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Senator John Flanagan 11-10-19
"Good Morning New York. This is the catch table John Cats. Td's here Sunday morning what's going on what's going on in Albany would is today as minority leader of the state. Senate John Flanagan Good Morning Senator Flanagan. How are you doing very well? John Always Nice to be with you on good Sunday Sunday morning. And thank you so much rap. Well I'm glad you're with US and You know ever since there's a super majority looks like of Democrats in orbiting passing all these new rules businessmen have take extra aspirin And a a lot of them saying well Muslim moved to Florida. Now you guys the the when the Senate Republicans had a majority already along with the Independent Democrats together. You added a balance of power. You added a Luba Sanity. What's going on? Where's the sanity? These days Chattanooga is non-existent at all and we are seeing the absolute Realize liked application of one party rule. The governor is to blame the Senate Democrats simply Democrats none of the skates responsibility. They won the election last year. And they you know they get credit were done but I think they are destroying the state of New York not only in a criminal justice way. Social Policies well economic development is joke it's laughable label in terms of what's being done. We have the most sweeping rent control law that one could possibly imagine. I don't know anyone who has property would like contingent invest in real estate so there are significant ramifications in terms of taxes and driving people out of your it was tough already driving people out of New York but I don't want to just pay a negative picture. I still think we have tremendous opportunities but you know the Democrats campaign and now the governing governing you have to be held accountable for the actions taken and they are not represented interested the taxpayers and not representative interest a bit class chapter verse. Unfortunately I give you chapter and verse it Very Big Way. Well you know I is a businessman. We were in the real estate development business and we must have spent a ton on a money of a billion dollars over the last three or four years and The fact is With all these new regulations I put things on hold on most. Is there any hope to compromise. The simple thing is we have an Alexa Alexa next to their past election day. This week next year is critical not only nationally but here at the state of New York so my job is to help recruit candidates. My job is to help raise money with my colleagues and deliver a proud coherent concise message that represents real people don't kill you with regulations relations. Don't kill you a taxes. Don't kill you with burdens that make you WANNA pick up and roof stadium. York gives you a ray of hope on criminal justice on things like that Berkshire that the Pentagon that really swung wickedly and far left this year contract and I still think we have a very Sean Chancellor John you're a Daihatsu. I want you to stay. I've lived my entire life and I still not living empire state but we have to have significant change. The Democrats have to be held accountable accountable for their disastrous public policies. And my for all kinds of different all kinds of different things he. MTA suggestion pricing again. how academic development. That doesn't recognize anything here. He talked about. We have a statewide approach. You haven't ta capital plans. They only speaks to the city of New York. There's not whatever craft talking about Long Island or they'd huts where the downstate region or western New York or the north country. That's bad that is bad way to approach this. They should not be at the city centric venture. I love the city but it should be the only consideration. Democrats one party rule is demonstrating. The air policy are way way different than the average taxpayer. The other thing that all New York is not just business people are panicking about is the police are upset that Nobody's going to be able to get arrested. Everybody's going to get whatever they call it a CB the Ticket So you can rob a store in the morning. It'd be out before the cops finish making up the The arrest just record and Robin screw store. In the afternoon you unfortunately couldn't be any more correct the policies it were an active we're done in. Hasten haste makes sways there were plenty of discussions about things like raise the age. You're out after much much much. Deliberation the policies that came forward from the Democrats that's totally totally undermine law enforcement totally undermine our district attorney's at our police officers and it sends an awful message to the public that it's the criminals who are getting the right and the victims are not being properly paid attention to Senator Galveston Centers Reno colleagues my all across state. We are really going on hammering necessarily people you know right now is committed. Domestic Violence Acura affects act. You may not have bail unless it's something something like a murder you're not gonNA be happy bail. There are so many negative things and they didn't for one second. Listen to real people. They didn't listen to the district attorney's they listen to the police and a lack of respect is being demonstrated in the city of New York and outside for who people put their lives on the line. Every single take for you. If they think it's horrific and out again we will be delivering that message and we want to foster an agenda and created a jet honor. Give us some hope. Give give give New Yorkers some hope that that rational thinking US combat I will yeah. I'll give you hope we'd have to as I said we need to get our message out there. We need to get the public behind us. And I believe that the public is finally shaped what the Democrats and by the way. The scary part is they're going to go much. Further less next year is watch part because many of the facing primaries because some that don't think that they're radical enough so that's it's going to make things more challenging but it's going to give us opportunities to really paint a contrast in terms of who we are what we stand for why we are in line with the taxpayers tax payers in the middle class average far work citizen and they are not understood. Senator John Flanagan thank you for coming on. We're out of time and thank you for loving snow. What's going on in our state in the and giving us hope that things will get back to rationale all right terrific? Thank you so much thank you. This is the catch roundtable. We write back.
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Trump won't let it go: escalates McCain, Conway attacks; Trump: let the public see the Mueller report; O'Rourke: I averaged $47 per donation in $6 million haul; Cummings: WH "hasn't turned over a single piece of paper" to Oversight Committee
"Hi, everyone. It's poppy Harlow on this week's episode of boss files. Jamie diamond he guided J P Morgan Chase through the financial crisis building based on market cap. The most valuable Bank in the world. But he's worried very worried not about the state of his Bank, but about the state of America, plus where he puts the risk of near-term recession. What keeps him up at night? How critical he thinks it is we see a US China trade deal and the politics of it all as we head toward twenty twenty. Listen to my full conversation with Jason Morgan. Chase CEO Jamie diamond on boss files. Subscribe on I tunes. President Trump just now suggesting he didn't get enough credit for allowing John McCain's funeral. The lead starts right now. President Trump continuing to smear a dead war-hero the latest, and maybe the most heinous attack on Senator John McCain yet just moments ago, the president also saying today, he's not nervous about the special counsel's report going public, but do his latest rants and raves. And I know attacks which seem to be getting worse. Do they tell us otherwise, plus some brand new I opening numbers about Beddoe aerobics record fundraising day that may have some front runners sweating even this early. Welcome to the lead on tap. We begin with the breaking news, President Trump just minutes ago. He just cannot let it go. He continues to attack a dead, man war hero. Senator John McCain moments ago, speaking at a tank factory in Ohio, the president going off unprompted on the late Senator McCain who passed away in August two thousand eighteen whose family is still grieving blaming the cane for Middle East wars blaming the cane for not being strong on veterans issues blaming McCain for the steel dossier ending up in the hands of the FBI attacking McCain for not voting to repeal ObamaCare, and even complaining that he didn't get a thank you for allowing John McCain's funeral to go forward. I've never liked much hasn't been for me. I've really probably never will. I endorsed images request. And I gave them the kind of funeral. That he wanted which has president I had to approve I don't care about this. I didn't get thank you. That's okay. Even before this latest attack from President Trump. Some Republicans were finally saying enough Republican Senator Johnny Isakson even promising to deliver a quote whipping of President Trump. Let's talk about all of this with my panel. Kevin madden. This is going on multiple days. Now McCain's been dead for seven months. Why who does this? How does this continue to get the base riled up? And where are Republican leaders? I don't know why he's doing it. It's so gratuitous and to your other question, it's in service of nothing. That's why it doesn't make any sense. And I think that the Republican leaders more Republican leaders are gonna come out, particularly as it becomes this. Character question for them whether or not they're going to stand up for deceased war hero. Not just a dead, man. A deceased were hero who gave so much of his life in his service to this country. So more more will have to come out because it will continue to be. A question of where they stand on on a key. Character question what we have seen is. We did see your former boss Senator Mitt Romney say he doesn't understand why the president does this. But generally, speaking Republicans have who have said anything have praised McCain. But not said anything about the president's idea that like the base this will rally the base now base will always be there at the president for other reasons. But look the president right now is actually at some peak approval ratings. He's got forty two percent of which is actually one of its highest including for the economy. He's ninety percent approval with Republicans. This will have an impact it will. Because I think and I think the larger American public the people who are soft supporters of the president who may not have voted for him. But they believe these done a couple of good things. This is the type of thing that drives them away and put them into that position saying I can't stand by this at the same time. I think that's what senators Republican senators are looking at is approval rating, which is I think the point you're making and they are fearful of that. I. A lot of Republican senators if you were to talk to them behind closed doors would be outraged by what President Trump is saying about John McCain. But even Senator ISAACs I mean, there's been a little bit of a preview about his whipping or whatever he's calling it. And it's more like a light ribbing than than than really being harsh on it. He's not even calling President Trump out harshly on it. He's talking around it. So this is a reflection of Republicans being fearful of Trump space, and what what it means for them. Here's what Senator Johnny Isakson from Georgia said, quote, the country deserves better than McCain family deserves better. I don't care if he's president of the United States owns all the real estate in New Yorkers building the greatest immigration system in the world. Nothing is more important than the integrity of the country. And those who fought and risked their lives for all of us and still continues to do this. He still I mean, I think he is. Issue that statement before Trump went off again. Yeah. I mean, there's I think Evans, right. There's no strategic reason why the president's doing this. I don't think he's doing it. Because it's a politically calculated move to rally his base. I think deep down inside he covets the way that people in America think about and talk about John McCain that he is revered as someone who did enormous good for his country. And I think that Trump wishes people would say those sorts of things about him. And I think he just doesn't understand why he doesn't get that kind of credit and praise and just as as you said can't let it go. But the scary scary thing is it's not just his rhetoric. It's also his policy. I mean, he's weakened military lending practices at the CFP. He continuously sends these asinine ridiculous things. And personally, I feel like every time he says it's a challenge to his base. I said the country deserves better than this. The country deserves better than the Republican party right now, they continue to let this president destroy core democratic principles of the country. And yet, nobody says anything and. So your point all of these comments that have come out. They absolutely don't directly criticize the president is all this. The president doesn't mince words that the Republican party is and they don't work for the president of the United States. They work for their constituents. So I think they can't fear them. They have to serve them and do the business of the American people and the president's policies frequently run contrary to that combat veteran. I know texted me out of the blue saying that the comments that the president makes about McCain hurt his soul where is Republican leadership. Here's the Republican leadership. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell tweeted today today and every day. I miss my good friend. John McCain was a blessing serve alongside a rare patriot and genuine American here on the Senate is memory continues to remind me everyday that our nation is sustained by the sacrifices of heroes. If it was your dad would that be enough for you? Kevin I'll say wouldn't be enough for me. If I were making McCain, I understand why they gonna cane so upset about Republicans. Not speaking the very idea that you have to a statement like that is again another challenge to the norms that we're used to. But also, just the politician. Of the memory of Senator McCain is just so tawdry. He ought to be always remembered for what he gave to this country, Republicans and Democrats and beyond party. It went it was about in service of country and greater ideals at the country and that he stood for. That's what we should all be remembering not watching this litigated on campaign rally on the stage at a campaign rally and even having the have this conversation. Yeah. And Kellyanne Conway always says whenever asked to respond to criticism. The President Trump is willing out including to her husband. We'll get to that later in the show always says, well, he's a great counterpuncher. He's a great counterpuncher McCain has been dead since August. This isn't a counterpunch McCain's not throwing punches, and I have a mung people huge admirations for how Meghan McCain has handled this and that she has said if dad were alive today, he'd be laughing about the fact that he is driving Twitter today. And he is you know, people are defending his memory. You know, I think one of the things that President Trump. Just said from the event he's that is pretty telling which is where he's talking about McCain giving the dossier to the FBI. And and you know, as we've, you know, I think there isn't political strategy here. But this is in his gut and he's angry about anyone who had a role in the Muller investigation, which he knows is coming to a conclusion at some point. And it could it already reflecting very poorly on his president. So John McCain is not here to defend himself. Here's Meghan McCain. Who does a pretty good job? I think if I had told my dad seven months after you're dead. You're going to be dominating the news and all over Twitter. He would think it with whole areas that our president was so jealous of him that he was committing the news cycle and death as well. Do not feel bad for me and my family. We are blessed. We are family of privilege feel bad for people out there who are being bullied that don't have support that don't have women of the view to come out and support their family their kids committing suicide because of cyber bullying online, there are people going through up times, they're veterans who come back with twenty Veterans Day committing suicide focused on these issues. These are the issues I beg the White House to pay it. I'm just surprised because I do think this is a new bizarre low. I will say knocking someone who isn't here as a bizarre low. She's putting a brave face on. But let's be honest. This is very difficult for their family, including further sons who I believe are in harm's way. They're both in the military. Yeah. And you know, she thing. Her dad would find it hilarious. Unfortunately, the rest of the country doesn't when you have people in the Republican party who stand by and don't call out this behavior for what it is. That's not a political party that's a Colt and people have to start dressing the real issue, which is this president. It's not just his rhetoric this actual policies that go along with it. And when you have people who are willing to stand by and let this happen and not address the real issue at hand. I think you'll continue to see this kind of rhetoric because the scary thing isn't what he says. It's how his base response they applaud this. They cheer this on they laugh about it. And that's not what our country stands for. It's not what it should be should note. The this is not the first gold star family. The President Trump has attacked. Remember the cons who came out and spoke against him and the democratic national convention in two thousand sixteen their son belief his name was Kasiran of what was killed in Iraq. Senator McCain in fact, spoke at that time and two thousand sixteen it's time for Donald Trump to set the example for our country and the future of the Republican party while our party has bestowed upon him the nominee. It is not accompanied by unfettered license to defame those who are the best among us. This is this is Donald Trump is right. This is his style. This is how he approaches politics is how he approaches public life. And I actually think that that's part of the reason why you're not seeing more Republicans put out statements because I think within the Republican party among those who behind closed doors go I can't believe this is happening again. There's a sense that one more press release in one more Mr President. I wish you wouldn't say that is just not going to change who he is. Or how he presents himself to the American people? He's got a formula. He is he is he thinks that it's a winning formula. And I think most Republicans who wish he would change course, are sort of resigned to the idea that there is no press release. There is no conversation. They can have with him that is going to get him to stop being the man that he is the father and the gold star family. I'm sorry. I was going by my faulty old memory. I will say one thing about this before we take a quick break in that is I totally understand that. But well, Kevin enrolled enough to know that we're here presidents calm. They're here for four years or eight years than they leave were still here. You guys will be there to members of congress are still here so long after the indecent remarks of Donald Trump these politicians are likely going to still have to be here, and we're all paying attention. We're all attention as to who is saying things, and who isn't saying things and some of us can sleep at night and some of us can't President Trump making a stunning claim about what he wants to happen with the mullahs report. It wasn't just being flip. Or did. He mean it. We'll talk about that next. Stay with us. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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President Trump today claiming he wants the world to see special counsel Robert Muller's, pending report, let it come out. Let people see it that's up to the attorney general that coming right before he returned to his usual litany of complaints about the investigation. I suggesting Muller's report is coming as a surprise sort of interesting man out of the blue just writes a report, I got sixty three million votes. Somebody just rights the report, I think it's ridiculous. But I want to see the report then attacking Muller himself claiming Muller was denied a job at the FBI the day before his appointment as special counsel. I felt him. He wouldn't be working at the FBI. And then the following day. They get for this. I don't think I don't I don't think people get it Muller. Not his only target Trump also launching attacks against Kellyanne Conway's husband conservative attorney, George Conway after he questioned Trump's mental fitness and claim the president had personality disorders is a whack job. There's no question about it. But I really don't know. He I think he's doing a tremendous service to a wonderful wife, Kellyanne is a wonderful woman. Trump going further on Twitter, George Conway, often referred to as Mr. Kellyanne Conway by those who know him is very jealous of his wife success and angry that I with her help. Didn't give him the job. He so desperately wanted George. Conway's response. The president is extremely juvenile and Boris for her part Kellyanne Conway taking the president side telling politico today, you think he shouldn't respond when somebody and non medical professional accuses him of having a mental disorder. You think you should just take that sitting down speaking to the Washington Post Tuesday? Her husband says his stinging criticisms of the president on Twitter art, therapeutic the mendacity, the incompetence is just maddening to watch the tweeting is just the way to get it out of the way. So I can get it off my chest. So I don't end up screaming at her about it and an interview last month with CNN's Danna bash. Well, before the latest dust up Kellyanne Conway pointed out that her husband was once a fervent Trump supporter, George was so excited literally crying with joy and his maga- hat black not red, but his maga- hat on election night. And so. So in that way, he's changed. He's changed his opinion on I guess matters or the president the presence. I haven't and Donald Trump hasn't. And here at the White House officials are on high alert for the Miller report to be delivered any day. Now sources tell me that White House lawyers expect to previ- whatever the attorney general gives to congress. So that they have the opportunity to assert executive privilege democratic congressman that ler who chairs the house committee is already pushing back saying the White House has waived executive privilege by agreed to cooperate with Muller, the White House contends Muller is within the executive branch. So it didn't need to sort of before. So this is just a preview Jake of the political battle to come. Brown at the White House. Thanks so much. Kevin you hear the president's language there. Let's let the public see it. Let's see if it's fair to me. What's the strategy here? Do you think he actually means it or is he just putting on a face playing the game as I think he said in I think he's playing I think his posture is that he's unafraid of whatever the baller report offers because he's going to have his own spin on it as own spin is going to be the one that he's been deploying for the last two years that it's a witch hunt that it's a hoax that there was no collusion. So I think he feels pretty confident no matter what the substance says in that report. They've already got their strategy, and they're going to deploy it from the very gecko. I was going to say, but the devil is hugely in the details here because the statute makes it clear that the special counsel will give the full report to bar who has a ton of discretion on what will go to congress. And so is the president referring to whatever bar, whatever slimmed-down thing bar initially, gives to congress that could be minimal and couldn't even give the public much of a sense of what's in there at all. So we don't even know exactly what he means. By what he says, he left himself some wiggle room there too. What do you want to play? This. Listen to help President Trump. The scribe the appointment of Muller. So amazing thing that when you have a great victory. Somebody comes in does a report out of nowhere. Tell me how that makes sense who never got a vote. Not really what happened. He fired Komi at a lot of steps missing or any general a pointed a special counsel sessions recused. I mean, there was a whole legal process to Kevin's point. This is just part of the strategy of continuing to sort of dismiss the importance of this and the legitimacy of this. I hope both for the public sake, and in some ways for I think the president should in some ways hope that an awful lot of this is released by the attorney general because anything that is not put out anything that remains redacted or withheld is just gonna continue to fuel months and months and months of more conspiracy theorising on all sides about whether this is a witch hunt or who flew to Prague or I mean, there's there's so many layers of injury and conspiracy around this. Less bar puts out there. The more that that will continue on both sides. And so I think for the president if he wants us to go away if there are more pieces of this that help get held back in a way, it just drags it out longer. So I think a lot of these questions actually have been answered, and I think this is something that we have to keep talking about these filings already show that the president was compromised by a foreign adversary during the election. He lied about that repeatedly to the American people with this why he lauded praise on Vladimir Putin before he was in office, and after he was in Trump Tower power he had a million dollar reason to and there's still a lot that we don't know in the mother report we haven't gotten into the digital operation of the Trump campaign. The secret about meeting in the shells infamous meeting at Trump Tower with Donald Trump junior. So there's a lot we don't know there may be a fantasy that people have. And he's going to be carted off. You know, the White House lawn like even the bucket of KFC, chicken, or whatever and handcuffed. I don't think that's going to happen. But I do think there the details that you're bringing up a lot of those things we already. No, you're not saying that the president colluded with Russia to have them interfere with the election. You're saying that he colluded with Russia to have a Trump Tower Moscow project. I don't know his reasoning behind whatever he had going on with Russia. I'm simply saying that the filings already show there is a clear compromise between what he was doing on the campaign trail and after the campaign, and he lied to the American people about his financial dealings with Russia. So ticket listen to to what the president said trying to attack Robert Muller's credibility. I know that he's conflicted. And I know that his best friend is call me. But I had a nasty business transaction with him and other things the day before he was retained to become special counsel. I told him he wouldn't be working at the FBI. And then the following day. They get for this. I don't think I mean, there's so much in there that isn't true and starting we'll starting with the comas best friend. But I mean is this working? I mean, look when you looked at say like, let's take the most recent data point that is pretty prominent was from the twenty eighteen exit polls in the those exit polls folks voted in the midterm election. It was really bad for Republicans. You nonetheless had a pretty sizeable portion of the electoral majority that didn't really approve of the job. Bob Muller was doing. I mean, the president's message that this is a witch hunt in that the people involved in her personally coming after him has been working. It doesn't mean that. It's right. But there is it has been getting through to the people that the president wants to get through to what's Shane is that if you talk to folks in Washington on both sides of the aisle, you will to a person here folks, say the Bob Muller is a man of credibility. He's a man of honor. He's you will not hear anyone who has a actual criticism of him as an individual in the work. He's done. But of course, in the sort of soap opera that the president has presented around all of this. He needs the villain of Muller is the villain. Joe Biden Bernie Sanders soaking up much of the buzz. So far. Should they be is the sexism? That's next day with us. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. In our twenty twenty league today. New details on Iraq's record breaking day, one fundraising as he campaigns across the early state of New Hampshire today. And we're still waiting to hear when former vice president Joe Biden could jump into the race. As Jessica dean reports all signs point to a Biden candidacy as he begins to shore up support from major backers. On his first swing through Hampshire as a presidential candidate Beto Rourke a sharing more details about his record six point one million dollar fundraising haul in his first twenty four hours more than one hundred twenty eight thousand unique contributions made in the first twenty four hours from every state in the country. Forty seven dollars was the average contribution. The former Texas congressman plans to hit all ten counties in the granite state. My vision for the country is something that offer introduce at every stop your vision for the country something that I listened to at every meeting and every stop and I will continue to do and after initially receiving criticism for lacking. Specifics O'Rourke also taking questions from reporters about policy, what is better overwork immigration policy. Let's free those dreamers who have already contributed so much to our country. Assess from any fear of deportation. Let's acknowledge that there are millions of our fellow Americans who are working some of the toughest jobs in the shadows. Sometimes paid less than minimum wage. Let's bring them out of the shadows. Which will demonstrably make us safer. Meantime, Joe Biden continues to dance around a possible entry into the twenty twenty race with people close to the former vice president telling CNN an announcement is a matter of win not. If vine has been working to shore up major endorsements and is making calls to donors ahead of an expected. April announcement this as some twenty twenty Democrats pushed for big changes such as calling for the electoral college to be abolished. We've been have national voting, and that means get rid of the electoral college, President Trump dismissing the idea writing in a tweet, quote, I used to like the idea of the popular vote. But now realize the electoral college is far better for the USA. Several democrats. Also, saying they're open to expanding the supreme court. We need to begin to debate on what it will take to make sure supreme court is less political another idea opposed by the president the reason is that the doing that as they want to try and catch up. So if they can't catch up through the ballot box by winning election. They want to try doing it in a different way and won't happen. I guarantee you what happened for six years? There was a recent CNN poll that showed people are very very excited to vote in the twenty twenty elections. And that is certainly been the case on the ground here in New Hampshire as we have traveled from county to county we've talked with people who've been at these events and Jake they're very excited to hear from all the democratic candidates. There's enthusiasm just across the board. Here they're hungry for information for for policy, and that certainly seems to be the case as you. Go all across the state, Jake Conway, New Hampshire the beautiful granted state. Let's talk about all this. We should note. So a little bit more of the details. The bed over announced today on his hall financial hall from the first day of campaign. Six point one million dollars from one hundred twenty eight thousand donors the average contribution was forty seven dollars. You can compare that to Barry Sanders, the previous record holder few days before his first twenty four hours raised five point nine million dollars from two hundred twenty three thousand donors for an average of twenty seven dollars a person so more money for Beto. But fewer donors and a bigger average. This could come down to two these two candidates. I think bells fundraising record is definitely impressive and bizarre talked about this is no safe bet. Oh, this is more of the media, and he enjoyed all out of free coverage in advance of his actual announcement. And I think that's something that you know, we have to be cognizant of this time around. We saw what happened in twenty sixteen. When other candidates enjoyed all this free press. And they you know, I think helping deliver them right to the White House. I think Beddoes while his fundraising, isn't is impressive. I think we saw last week that Stacy Abram said twenty twenty still a possibility for her. And I just find it interesting that when all of these the three, you know, white men Beto, Bernie and Biden get all this attention and face the Abrahams was really into comparable position to to bed. Oh and for the past year or so it's been all about Beto. I think we just have to be careful about how we cover these candidates and laude praise on these candidates this cycle. It's a fair criticism. We'll say Stacey Abrams were in Iowa or New Hampshire. I'm sure he would be getting coverage. But I take your point. And in fact, I wanna read an excerpt from Washington Post op Ed columnist Margaret Sullivan who's making this exact point about. There was all this buzz around Beddoe overwork Bernie Sanders and Biden she calls him to three Bs while candidates like Kirstin Jila brand with war and comma Harris who have also released a number of policy proposals are getting as much attention. She writes somehow despite a remarkably diverse democratic field, which includes a record number of women a game in and several people probably the BBC's that has better by Bernie were off and running and Biden, we should note has not even become officially a candidate. That's true. Sexism is alive and well in politics, and in media coverage and all these things I do think we have to be careful about one. We throw the sexism criticism out there whether people like it or not Biden and Beddoe, and and Bernie Bernie Biden, especially gosh, that's a tons of certain are leading in the polls right now that may not be the case in a month. If Stacey Abrams were in New Hampshire or. People would be covering wall to wall. And I think I read that column as well. I do disagree with one thing. She said about the Vanity Fair piece, which I thought was actually cringe-worthy in horrible for him. And I think it was a mistake. You actually read it. I didn't I did read it and yes, talking about the cover the media was covering it. But I don't think that people contributed because they saw coverage of beta will roar from the Vanity Fair piece. I think there's coming about him coming out of Texas race whether that continues that's up to him and we'll see, but but he just announced he's running. That's why there's coverage. So Elizabeth Warren not talking about this. Specifically was asked about one of the hardest aspects of running for president as a woman. Take a listen. It's still expect charge. And it's just an expectation is so and sometimes I find us women those our show. On us. Exactly. So first of all we need to send a microphone to wherever that is. But. Explain what she said. She said, I think the hardest part is guys still expect to be in charge all the time. And it's just an expectation. The other woman says sometimes I find is woman, we sometimes counter out more and says that's what I mean on both sides. I think that's exactly right. What do you think? Counting themselves out on the democratic side this time around, and so I think that piece of her argument. I don't think quite stands. She has thrown herself in the ring. She's made a name for herself. I think you see comma Harris doing quite well doing better than Elizabeth Warren. And they're both women. I think comma Harris had a better roll out. I think the reason why she's doing better is that she has demonstrated a little bit more that she can take on Trump in a way that I think Elizabeth Warren through the whole controversy with VNA chest and the heritage just sort of failed. The can you stand up to Trump and Goto with him and walk away? I think that's more of what's going to be hurting her then sort of perceptions of sexism within the Democratic Party. I was going to say this is not new the media covers three things they cover polls cover money and they cover attacks. And if you look at the top of the polls, it's it's two threes. Right. That's risen there. To every once in a while, comma Harris will show we'll show up in a poll show, very strong position. And she got a lot of coverage for her announcement. She also raised a lot of money in the first twenty four hours. She got a lot of coverage result. And every time she is attacked the Republicans Donald Trump and draw the stark contrast in the field. She's gotten more coverage. That's how they're going to really break out when they start rising up at the polls, and they start raising more money. That's when they'll get more coverage. I really don't think it's chocked up to sexism. I think it's chocked up to just the nature the natural way that these campaigns sort of filter out who's at the top on that. Because when you don't smoke holes. I mean, you look at Iowa and the Hampshire and how the media kind of defends on these states in Iowa is ninety percent white New Hampshire's ninety three percent white. And when you look at the electorate these to face, I really out of step. I mean, the rising majority of the first right now, the California and Texas have moved up their their their primaries. I think that is something that look at. You will get a lot more coverage as the broader diverse of Democratic Party that's going to be activated in these early states Heathrow in South Carolina, Texas, California, she'll get a lot more coverage. And then I think with Warren will be complaining, everybody's favoring Comal, and then we should note. Also, the comma Harris is Senator is in third place in the brand new CNN poll, you can tune into CNN tonight for a live town hall with one of these democratic presidential candidates this time, it's former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper C N N's, Dan bashful host the live event. That's tonight at ten pm eastern only on CNN coming up. President Trump is building the wall. Stonewall the Syria standoff going on right now between the White House and Democrats investigating this president. Then things just keep getting weirder. Kellyanne Conway defense, the president for attacking George Conway. Her husband say with us. The cases we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. 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Democrats is escalating we are in search of the truth clashing in the fierce tug of war over access to information essential to the democratic led congressional investigations into the president. Elijah Cummings the chairman of the house oversight and reform committee blasting the White House in this Washington Post op it for what he calls an unprecedented level of stonewalling delay and obstruction saying the White House has not turned over a single piece of paper to our committee or made a single official available for testimony during the one hundred sixteenth. Congress Cummings committee has been demanding information from the White House over the handling of security clearances for White House staff, including son-in-law line senior adviser, Jared Kushner. Won't do understand. When you cannot get information. You cannot be checked many other democratic led congressional committees investigating nearly every aspect of President Trump's personal and professional life are running into the same roadblocks, including just this week the White House. Ignoring House Judiciary deadline to turn over papers related to their broad investigation into possible corruption obstruction of Justice and hush money payments to women disgrace to disgrace to country and the people understand where they look at it. They just say presidential harassment behind the scenes, the White House has attempted to block the democratic probes. By not only failing to hand over quest documents. But also hiring White House attorneys to argue any conversations with the president or White House. Staff are matters of executive privilege. Those moves prompting the third ranking House Democrat Jim Clyburn to call on congress to step it up. Congress house and Senate. To grow spines. And all this certainly just sets the stage for a potential excuse me subpoena showdown on Capitol Hill, if the Democrats, of course, do not get what they want chairman Cummings. He has made it very clear that this is something that he's considering considering issuing a subpoena. He said he's not ruling anything out yet, Jake. But that's something that he certainly is way take off. On Capitol Hill. Thanks so much. Also in our politics today. It wasn't just late. Senator John McCain that the president was attacking today. President Trump also escalated his feud with conservative lawyer, George Conway after Conway started publicly questioning the president's mental fitness for office. He's a whack job. There's no question about it. But I really don't know. He I think he's doing a tremendous service to a wonderful wife, Kellyanne is a wonderful woman. And I call him, Mr. Kellyanne. So a couple of things to note here. First of all, George Conway is an esteemed lawyer, Donald Trump is the president. But neither of them are mental health professionals. So the diagnosis George Conway's a whack job or George Conway's diagnosis that the president has narcissistic personality disorder. None of that is considered expert too. We should also point out the tweets from the president and his team trying to besmirch towards Conway have been proven demonstrably false. The president has known George Conway for years. Conway turn down the job offer to work in the Trump Justice department as evidenced by this letter obtained by the Washington host. Okay. Once again is there any sort of strategic advantage for President Trump to be attacking George Conway. Does this help him in any way? It obviously brings joy. Conway a lot of attention and Twitter followers, yet again, this is this is in some ways a little bit of a Streisand effect problems as ineffective essentially, the idea that when you complain really loudly about something that you don't want don't pay any attention to this person. They're terrible. You just draw more attention was trying to make it. So nobody knew where her house in Malibu and by complaining that there was this photo out there of her house. Suddenly everyone was exposed to this photo for Barbra Streisand. Yeah. I mean, the George George Conway going after Trump thing was sort of a Washington inside the beltway like this is kind of curious story. It was the sort of thing that we're I feel bad for Kellyanne sort of stuck between a very prestigious job. That's obviously very important to her and husband who she presumably loves, but I think from the just strategically this is another one of those things. I don't think it's a strategy thing. I think it's just the president doesn't like when people attack him and as Kellyanne might say he likes to. Returner to keeping up his response to President Trump as they come today responding. You are nuts. That's George Conway to President Trump. What do you think of all? This is George Conway doing public service by calling into question these issues doing it the way he is he hurting his own 'cause what about the president's role in all this. Well, I mean, sometimes I think the president's playing chess, and he's actually playing tiddlywinks or something that's much more elements. But I do think in this case, we're talking about the Conway v Conway battle here. We are not talking about the fact that he's in Ohio in a place where the plant is closing down and people are losing jobs, even though he promised he'd bring them back. We're not talking about his weird relationship with Deutsche Bank. We're not talking as much perhaps about all the ups and downs of the Miller report. So he's a marketing expert if I'm going to a dark place, I would say he's trying to distract and have a conversation about something else. And that may very well be what he's doing. Thank you. Sorry. I. Sorry. I I completely agree. I could care less about Kellyanne Conway in her marriage. I think voters can care less about this issue. I just I think it's kind of a tabloid thing to talk about until your point. It's very inside the beltway for the people out there who are worried about getting laid off at their jobs or about how they're gonna pay their mortgage or worried about healthcare expenses. Those things matter Kellyanne Conway's relationship with her husband just doesn't the other thing. That's interesting. Dan, abashed spoke to Kellyanne for her series about this before this latest round. And this is a Kellyanne Conway talking about election. It's and how excited George Conway was take a listen. Door jr. Was so excited literally crying with joy in his maga- hat black not red, but his maga- hat on election night. And so in that way, he's changed. He's changed his opinion on I guess matters or the president the presence. I haven't and Donald Trump hasn't. So I do wonder though beyond the George versus Kellyanne Conway there a lot of people who think the president is distracting or even that this is just an act. I do not think it's just an act, but there is this thing George keeps talking about how President Trump is mentally unfit. And he says you to the president on Twitter, you're bringing attention and tweets out pages of medical diagnoses that suggest that, you know, the president has you know, some of malignant narcissism or whatever. Well, I mean, again, this is one of those things where I just have to rub my eyes every time I watched this actually playing out on onscreen. I still can't believe it. I have like you. I have zero interest in talking about about their marriage, and I think most of the American public due to. But this is one of those things where I think that what George Conway is doing is is just offering a big distraction away from all the bigger issues when he's focusing on things like mental health when he doesn't really have the sort of platform. Be making that type of judgment. And that's why I think I don't pay much attention to it. I don't even think it's a beltway thing. I think people in the beltway that don't wanna talk about this. And you know, it's, you know, I I know we used the term kitchen table conversations and a lot in politics like these are not the kitchen table conversations. I think we're talking about health. Yeah. Health care. You know, not what what would a wife and a husband arguing about over whether or not the president about the state of the president's mental health. That's what I found interesting in that clip is that she talks about during the campaign. He was very excited about Donald Trump. And I think there are a lot of people who were very excited about Donald Trump who may not be as fight it now. And that is the thing that baffles my mind, what did you think you were getting because this president has been very consistent with the things that he said that were just is asinine twenty sixteen as they are in twenty nineteen. So I do wonder what is this turning point? What did you think revolting for in twenty five favor of getting back to the other kitchen table converse? This is a substantive issue. This doesn't happen everyday. The Pentagon quickly deploying bombers and hundreds of American troops to Europe the reason sending a message to one man stay with us. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke in soon. We're the producers behind the H N television documentary series unmasking killer. 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Fifteen hundred army troops suddenly in Europe on short notice on their way to Poland for armor artillery exercises. And it's all happening as the Russian president traveled to Crimea to Mark the fifth anniversary of Russia's military annexation. She wouldn't deal in us today. Another important step has been taken strengthen energy security of the Crimean peninsula and of the whole south of the Russian federation. The Pentagon has stepped up its military exercises to counter Russia and Moscow clearly is not happy. They will always take any kind of deployment of US forces to Europe in a very negative way. And they will be very verbal about it. They will message. It say that it's a threat to Russia. They have always done. This. Putin has stepped up his provocations in recent months ramming a Ukrainian ship and the US has reacted consistently sailing ships and flying air. Craft in Europe and Asia where Russia parades. But the top US commander in Europe says it doesn't appear to be working. I'm not comfortable yet with the deterrent posture that we have in Europe and general Curtis Capela. Roddy says he is not getting what he needs from the Trump administration when you look at the both the building capability and the modernization of Russian forces that we face there. And then finally of concern is my intelligence surveillance reconnaissance capacity, given that increasing growing threat of Russia. So the question always remains the same the US may be sending a message. But it's Ladimir Putin even listening Jake. All right. Barbara Starr, the Pentagon. Thank you so much. You can follow me on Facebook and Twitter, and Jake tapper you can tweet the show at the lead CNN believe it or not we actually read them our coverage on CNN continues right now. Thanks so much for watching.
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"Trump again attacks lead. Senator John McCain. I'm Tim Maguire within AP newsmen at once again, President Trump attacks late Republican Senator John McCain Trump telling workers at a military tank factory in Ohio, he thinks McCain tried to use the Steele dossier against him. John McCain got it. He got it. And what did he do didn't call me? He turned it over to the FBI hoping to put me in jeopardy. Trump repeated his complained that McCain voted against repealing the Affordable Care Act, and that the Vietnam war prisoner prisoner of war was not supportive of veterans. Georgia Republican Senator Johnny Isakson, chairman of the veterans affairs committee tells Georgia public broadcasting it's deplorable what he said is adding that Trump is harming not only McCain, but also the country with his childish talk. It's a damaging situation. I if kids started talking about John MacLean, John McCain was not a hero or because he was a prisoner ward and making a difference or things like that. They'd have a serious conversation me. Oh, I'm ready to make my credits. Can I'm ready to take classes from university. That will help me build a my experience it prepare me for the future university. That will make me feel supported a courage and connected. Click this ad or go to online the EDU today.
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October Surprises - What's Next?
"Love this podcast. Support this show through the cast supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give and there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. Welcome to words matter with Katie Barlow and Joe. Lockhart. Welcomed two words matter, Katie Barlow. Our goal is to promote objective reality as a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion not their own facts words have power and words have consequences. Our guests today have extensive background in. Academia. History, politics, communications, and journalism. Both are on the Faculty of Belmont University where the third and final presidential debate is scheduled to be held. Our first guest is an author Historian Digital Humanist and Academic Entrepreneur who serves as an assistant professor at Belmont University Dr. Patel is widely published. Her latest book is Athens of the New South and she's currently working on a manuscript celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of title nine. She teaches courses such as making the modern city which inspired the historical walking tour APP Nashville sites. Dot Org. She also teaches a course called the good life and democracy media and the public. Sphere? Also joining us is Jen Duck, Emmy Award winning producer, and instructor of journalism in the Department of Cinema and media and television prior to her work with Belmont. Jan was a producer for CNN, Anderson Cooper three sixty and Katie couric syndicated show in New York. Additionally she worked for Oprah Winfrey Network in Los Angeles Jen began her career at ABC News in Washington DC and traveled around the world aboard. Air Force One as white, house producer covering President George, W Bush and reported from the campaign trail as president. Barack Obama and Senator John McCain canvassed the country in two thousand eight. Jen has been a consultant for words matter on and off since our launch in August of two thousand eighteen, Mary Ellen pestle and Jennifer Duck welcome to words matter. Thank you so good to be here. Thank you so much. All right since there was so much news last week and so much to talk about today. I'm going to frame our discussion a little bit at the outset a couple of weeks ago we had legendary political strategist Paul Begala on the show for those who don't know as chief strategist for Bill Clinton's nineteen ninety two presidential campaign. Paul was the author of one of the most famous. The most famous political campaign slogans in American history. The economy stupid and here's what Paul said about the twenty twenty election. But so here's to me what the election comes down to. College educated White Women. I tend to be much of a reductionist. Okay. But that's college educated. White women stupid. So Marianne Jen in addition to both being college educated white women. You spend most of your time educating students, a majority of whom are in that very group. So every day you interact with about two hundred students total of that key demographic. So Jen, let's start with you and last week's presidential debate. You oftentimes refer to students as your unofficial focus group. What did you learn from them? They really are a great kind of cross section of the country. Right? We get them from every state, their first time voters, and they're in that demographic. You're talking about that having been a part of focus groups for TV, news for quite a while kind of feel like we as teachers are in that unique situation in terms of talking to these college voters, we've been talking about the election all semester. There's that trust their you know. With your teacher and they also don't have to play to the cameras. So there's that that genuine honesty that comes out that sometimes as a producer, I wouldn't see when we were just dipping into a high. Oh or dipping into Georgia to try to talk to people, and for a lot of students you know this was the first debate they'd ever watched in full or maybe I debate they ever saw and they use words like chaotic and uncomfortable, and I think that's not surprising as many people said that about the first. Presidential debate but they also said it was very meam -able, and we can talk about more in that in in terms of how memes are spreading on social media. It's one of the biggest ways that people are getting their quote unquote news and we know memes are not reliable forms of news. So this can be very dangerous, but they they talked about how memorable this debate was, and it was hard to parse out any policy. It was hard to understand what was going on and what the candidates stood for I can. Pick up on that. So Jen and I are teaching this class democracy media and the public sphere, and we've had a blast doing it, but we're learning so much not only from each other but from the students and so we assigned the debate for them to watch of course, and we had them come in and we did an exercise called three to one. They had to come up with three takeaways to standout moments, and then a question that was either unanswered or something that they felt like was not addressed in the debate. When you normally assign a debate for students or really for anyone the the typical responses that it was long it was wonky. It was dry. There was a lot of information and knocked this time. In class none of our students described the first debate that way and Jen mentioned a few of the things I said words like stressful aggressive, negative partisan. But those three takeaways they started asking if they're takeaways head to be about policy and that's when we realized how little policy they had gotten out of the debate and so we said no, and some of the takeaways that they had were lack of talking about the issues. The green new deal was something that came up football came up as a I don't know if there's a policy issue but as a takeaway, the usefulness of debates in their current form. They also talked about jobs, the role of covid nineteen. Biden, looking at the camera, the fact that they were really looking forward to the vice presidential debate, and also they thought that this debate was going to be really great for SNL. That's fair enough. We planned on talking about last week's presidential debate in previewing this week's vice presidential debate. But as so often happens in the news business particularly in the last month of a presidential campaign, our plans were overtaken by events. So president trump's covid nineteen diagnosis put the vice presidential debate in doubt, it certainly highlights the importance of the vice presidency itself. So let's talk a little bit about the history of presidential running mates and how a sitting president diagnosed with a life threatening illness. One month before the election changes the political landscape and Marianna WanNa lean on your historical knowledge here particularly of. The Twenty Fifth Amendment to Kinda, give context and better understanding of the landscape that we're on right now sure I'd love to. You can actually date this issue back to eighteen forty one when William Henry Harrison died a month after becoming President succeeded by Vice President, John Tyler. But in the modern era, this really started with Eisenhower many people believed that it started with FDR because of his health issues and running third and then a fourth term, but it was really eisenhower and living during a Cold War era that people started to question the clarity of succession in article two of the Constitution. So there was an effort under Eisenhower especially after he underwent heart surgery and had a stroke to pass something that attempted to amend the constitution to clear up all the succession matters to add procedure for dealing with a leader who became unable to perform the offices duties temporarily or permanently, and so this was a big issue because of the Cold War and President Dwight Eisenhower's health issues. However, the issue wasn't settled it. Wasn't passed in Congress and then in nineteen sixty after the election of JFK, everyone seemed to be the little bit of a sigh of relief because JFK was much younger many people didn't know how poor health actually was, and then of course, JFK was assassinated and so Lyndon Johnson along with Senator Estes kefauver helped to set up the amendment that would describe and explain and set up a procedure for the twenty fifth. amendment. The amendment came up for a vote in Congress in nineteen, sixty five, it was passed by both houses than it went out to the states and in July nineteen, sixty five Nebraska became the first states ratify them that Minnesota became the thirty seventh in Nevada was the thirty eighth, which hit the three fourths requirement needed to add a constitutional amendment and section one of the twenty. Fifth Amendment makes it clear that the vice president becomes president when the presidency becomes vacant under three circumstances death resignation removal from office section. To is going to get the president the power to name a new vice president if that office becomes vacant with permission of Congress and then the amendments other two sections detail the process for the vice president to serve as an acting president in how to resolve disputes about the president's ability to discharge official powers. So this has been tested even since we've gotten the twenty Fifth Amendment the first test was October nineteen seventy-three with Vice President Spiro. Agnew when he resigned Gerald, Ford became the new vice president in December. Nineteen seventy-three and then Ford himself is going to invoke the twenty Fifth Amendment nine months later when he nominated Nelson. Rockefeller as vice president after Nixon's resignation and then in more recent times, the two most notable being when Ronald Reagan was undergoing heart surgery and then when George W Bush went through to routine colonoscopies. So I, think that we're in unchartered territory here not because we don't have the constitutional provision and protections but rather because this is dealing with a potential sustained illness with an unsure outcome, it's interesting that. The history goes back to President Eisenhower. Because as we all know while all of this is happening with the president's health and wellbeing he also has nominated a Supreme Court justice very shortly before the election and the last president to do. So in such short time before the election was President Eisenhower with Justice William Brennan in one, thousand, nine, fifty, six, another pairing of historic goal momentous occasions happening at the same time in my particular sphere of nerdiness we like to talk about those things Jan, what are your thoughts? I, just keep thinking over and over again like twenty twenty a there's no October surprise it's just the twenty twenty surprise every day it is just groundhog day every day you wake up and it's it's just a whole new cycle. So from the news perspective, obviously, this is a big breaking news more than that. We hope the president is well, it is unprecedented. So many reasons this is something that you could be ill with for a while, but it just it's it's a it's a whole different ballgame with covid and it's a whole different ballgame with the twenty. Fifth Amendment. Even though we have this precedent going back to this October surprise we. Always have these elections i. just can't remember a time in the twenty years I've covered politics where I just kind of was speechless were so close to the election. At this point, we're dealing with this pandemic. We've just have so much that twenty twenty keeps throwing at us all. So historically I. Just. I. Think. This is definitely one for the record books were just waiting in this news every day and trying to understand what's next and looking back on history I. think that's why Mary Ellen especially when we're teaching our class I lean to her a lot let's go back and think about these things and it's important to know the context and understand. How to navigate these uncharted waters. Well. As we barreled toward November third country will, of course, be making its decision at the top of the ticket, but they're also going to be looking to the number two for both presidential candidates who are well into their seventies. So that brings us to Senator Kamala Harris and even before last week's focus on presidential health generally given the Joe Biden. Is Seventy seven years old senator. Harris was already in the spotlight choose only the third woman to be selected as the running mate for a major party candidate, Geraldine Ferraro in Nineteen, eighty-four and Sarah Palin in two thousand eight. Jan You covered governor Palin when she ran with Senator John McCain talk about the different standard that senator. Harris will be held to not just as a woman. But as a black woman, I remember when Governor Palin was announced as John McCain's running mate and all the the best political brains. From the networks from. The news outlets for we're calling her pollen. They didn't know she was even on the shortlist. They didn't know how to pronounce your last name. It was really interesting. But if you go back to even what governor Palin said at the time when she was running, she said quote Unquote Heck Yeah Women Face. So much more scrutiny than men and that has been true. Dating back to Geraldine Ferraro and beyond, and I wanNA have mary-ellen weigh in on that. But in terms of media and how women are portrayed in media, there's something really interesting that I've dug into in my research every time you search these candidates who are running for higher office. The word shrill comes up and it's an every article and there's a really interesting professor. From Berkeley who's studied this and he's written about sound technologies. So starting with the gramophone phonograph, they were developed for men's voices they actually distort women's voices so that shrill tone does not get any help from the technologies we use but also this is part of how women are painted because our voices are so different and it's really interesting to take into context so. That's just women. Then you bring in Senator Harris and you have a lot of the stereotypes applied to black women which are just wrong. So she has to contend with and we saw that too when I was covering two thousand sixteen secretary, Clinton had a lot to contend with an it doesn't matter which party you aren't governor. Palin. Secretary. Clinton. It's just at times. Ballgame. Marianne you've studied female candidates for both the presidency and the vice-presidency. So give us a little historical perspective on women running for the nation's highest offices. So. Women candidates in US history actually goes back to a time when women couldn't vote and do just have to say for the Record Jen Reference Twenty, twenty many people are now calling twenty twenty it's a verb. That just means everything bad. But the the coincidence that we're also celebrating one of the lights of twenty twenty celebrating the one hundredth anniversary of woman suffrage and so the first two women who actually ran for president ran for President before women even vote and I just have to give them a shout because they're so often forgotten history but the Toria Woodhall, who ran an eighteen, seventy two with a third party. Called the equal rights party she ran against Ulysses s grant Horace Greeley, and then Belva Lockwood who ran an eighteen, eighty, four and eighteen, eighty, eight interestingly, and we've had the supreme court come up in this conversation. So a fun fact about her she not only founded her own newspaper and started her own investment firm but she helped to draft a law passed in Congress that allowed women to argue before the Supreme Court and she was in fact, the first woman to argue in front of the Supreme Court in the eighteen eighties. So I have to just briefly mention those too but as far as the first major party. Candidate that's going to be Margaret Chase, Smith? Who ran for the Republican nomination? She was first elected to the house in one, thousand, nine, hundred forty, and that was to fill the vacancy that had been caused by her husband's death and quite frankly early in politics s how most women got into politics to an elected seat they they basically serve out the term or. For a term after their husband had passed away. So she was elected in nineteen forty to fill the caused by her husband's death, and then she became then the first woman to win outright on her own a Senate seat in Maine in nineteen forty eight and she would go on to win four consecutive Senate terms, but she most famously in addition to running for president. Is that she wrote in nineteen fifty, the declaration of conscience, and she was one of the few Republicans who stood up to McCarthy. And to the trial surrounding communism and McCarthyism in the nineteen fifties and then the declaration of conscience she had a great quote. I speak as a Republican I speak as a woman I speak as a United States senator and I speak as an American. And the rest of the document which she read on the congressional floor was describing how that Republicans needed to stand up against Joe. McCarthy and that needed to declare a conscience you know history never repeats itself I. Always Tell Students no event as ever exactly like another but historical patterns do repeat themselves and I, think if you go back and look at her document, you'll you'll see how many of those same issues were still fighting today. But she runs for the presidency in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, four we've also mentioned JFK in this podcast. The last press conference, the J. F. K. did before a week before he went to Dallas where he was assassinated, he was asked a question about the candidacy of Margaret Chase. Smith. In the press pool kind of chuckled because of her candidacy and he actually responded that she was a very formidable political figure and he did not end the any republican that was going to have to run her for the nomination nor run against her for the presidency. Let's listen to President Kennedy. As. Possible. Candidate for. President. Would you come? Possible candidate zero Margaret Chase Smith and. Specifically what effect that would have on the New Hampshire primary. I, would think as my Republican candidate, I would not. Look forward to campaigning against Margaret Chase Smith in New Hampshire. I. Or as a possible candidate for president, I think she's very formidable if that's the appropriate word to us about A. Fine, lady you very formidable. So. Always Fun that heartening that. One of the last things JFK said publicly was to validate really the Margaret Chase Smith running for president, and then I'll briefly touch on another figure. The second woman that I'd like to highlight is surely Anita Chisholm who ran for president in Nineteen, seventy two she was the first African American to run for a major. Party in this case, it was the Democrats Margaret Chase Smith had done for the Republicans she was from Brooklyn she was the first African American woman in Congress from nineteen, sixty nine and served until nineteen eighty-three, and she has a lot of famous quotes. But probably, the most famous is if they don't give you a seat at the table, bring a folding chair. Let's listen to. Shirley Chisholm there's so many things in the I would like to change. I think the thing that I'd like to change more than anything else is senior system. The distant of this country. But she's primarily a young country primarily people by younger people as a whole is in the hands of about. Fifteen men and ninety percent of them are from the south. The country is ruled by a group of old men that make the seven oligarchy. That's why this country. is at his as. She obviously does not win the nomination. But Chisholm and chase both show real trailblazers of women who are willing to put themselves on the line and are willing to inject themselves to a lot of scrutiny in the public sphere Margaret Chase. Smith was also the first woman to appear on meet the press along with Eleanor Roosevelt, in nineteen, fifty eight so. These women were incredible and I'll just end with this that we have had twenty three women run for the presidency. And Out, of those twenty three, thirteen of them ran between eighteen, seventy, two and two, thousand twelve. And several of those were third parties. Ten of those women have run for President Sense Twenty Sixteen. So keen women total from eighteen, seventy, two, two, thousand twelve, and then ten women running in two, thousand, sixteen, and twenty twenty. So I certainly think the future is female. If you're looking at that trend yet, really interesting just something from when I was covering the two thousand eighteen midterms a lot of the women the new members of Congress that were coming in were posing next to that Chisholm portrait in Capitol Hill. When you think about really paving the way Chisolm did that and is still very much remembered on Capitol Hill to this. Day. Great, hopefully, transitions from folding chairs to full on regular chairs, the table as we progress but. So. We are celebrating the hundredth anniversary of women's suffrage. How Mary? For you how of women changed politics both as voters and candidates. Well. That's a great question when the when the suffrage debate was going on. It all came down to Tennessee. This is a story that I tell quite often being here in Nashville Tennessee and a no. We mentioned this in the introductions but the the digital walking programs that I ask that I have Nashville sites dot org we have a woman suffrage tour, and so I'm very familiar with the story and so it all came down to Tennessee. If you look at that as a case study, it really highlights a lot of things more nationally and that was that they. The people who were against suffrage called. The antibodies believed that women were going to push social reform too far to make child labor illegal to be very involved in labor issues, and then also issues related to alcohol and drugs, and so you had this fight in Tennessee and ultimately passed making Tennessee, the state that pushed the nineteenth amendment across the finish line. And? Tennessee is known as the perfect thirty six. And that notion of the perfect thirty six has meant to say that thirty six state that ratified the amendment therefore making it a constitutional amendment. But there's a double entendre there because the perfect thirty six was also the shape and the size of the ideal American woman. And so I give that example just as that as active as women are oftentimes, they have to operate in a different way both as voters and candidates and Jen touched on this a little bit earlier. But I, do think that when as voters have become an increasingly powerful voting bloc if you look now at the election. The big group that everyone is talking about our suburban women which tend to be college educated white women. So politicians have to address issues that are important to women, which still involved many times, social issues that go all the way back to the ratification fight. So then as candidates you know we've seen what they called the year of the woman in the nineteen nineties, and then I certainly think you look at the two thousand, eighteen midterms both for Republicans and. For Democrats I know in Tennessee Marsha Blackburn was the first female senator. So it really is on both sides of the aisle. Women are playing an increasingly large role both as voters and as fundraisers as activists as door knockers, and then many of them are deciding that if they want to see change, they have to be that change in running for office themselves. So let's circle back to the beginning of the conversation to your Focus Group of Gen. Z. Voters Jen mentioned a lot of them are first time voters mostly women that you both interact with every day Cova has upended. Aspect of American life. What are the effects of the pandemic on first time voters? What are they thinking about? What are they talking about Mary Ellen. They're worried the thing about college students in particularly here at Belmont University is that they're conscientious. They are active citizens they want to to do their part and they're engaged very much. So for eighteen to twenty, two year olds but many of them are living out of state and so the issues involved with absentee requesting absentee ballots, casting mail in ballots, some of the dispersions that have been cast about the mayland system. Many of them are just left wondering if they're doing the right thing and what that right thing is. I had a student just admit in front of the whole class I cried after watching the debate. That's what the student said especially watching that that debate and that's your first time really interacting. So deeply with politics, it's hard if any debate usually it's very policy heavy and usually debates are to the point where they're so wonky. You can't follow along where this one was so chaotic, you couldn't follow along, but they're really concerned and I think that a lot that came up is is this two party system going to be around? Forever. Is this what we have. They had a lot of just interesting. Of course, we teach this class called democracy media and the public sphere. So we talk a lot about democracy, but they also have a lot of concerns with media and how on social media, what they're reading, what trends, how do they know what's a good source in clearly they learn that in these classes but coming into it, they don't know something like rt formerly known as Russian television that is Russian government propaganda that is posing as a new station. That's where. I think people are struggling and then you have a debate that was thrown in that wasn't really. Laying out the policies they were very disappointed in that and I don't think we give the XERES enough credit they want that and they see that there's a problem. Then they see where we're heading I, get a ton of questions like how do you talk to someone who is spreading misinformation online? How do you try to correct them? We have a lot of those conversations in class, how to correct and fact check and do it in a way that will be effective in those are hard conversations but really. Really important conversations they really want to go there and they oftentimes WanNa correct parents or relatives or how do I talk to them about this and tell them like this is just not true. So they they have a lot of concerns but I think they really do always hearken back to how can we have civil conversations and fact check and make sure the truth is getting out there and not all this Info Democ this information just flooding our social media feeds flooding our news feeds. How do we do that? One of the things that John has done so well, and that I have really benefited from and teaching this class is her talking to them about the role of media as gatekeepers, and just that topic of who who is fact checking who is distributing information and one of the things that I think the students struggle with the most and judged on. This is understanding the. Role of social media companies, and the fact that they're putting out traditional news stories, but they're not `gate-keeping in any way. So the news comes at them horizontally. It's not like a newspaper. We've got a front page story in an op Ed on page six everything's coming into their news feed horizontally, and they're having a hard time, shuffling it and putting it into a an order. That where they know what they can trust them. What they know is opinion and we don't see it that same way because we do understand the hierarchy of news and information but for them, they have always gotten their news from a phone and from so increasingly social media and so I think that that's it's a huge challenge for them and for us but they're gonNA tackle. I think they're going to figure out how to how to decode the social media information world one, hundred percent agree to the gate keeping role I think you know one thing as a journalist and someone who worked in the field for so long and has passion for truth seeking is sometimes journalists don't explain. What we do the ethics we abide by an how this goes through many channels have a story just isn't types out and then printed right away in these reputable news organizations. Obviously, we saw the disruption in twenty-six with disinformation with bots and trolls, but even with aunt, Betty over spreading on facebook. So misinformation and that goes viral. It's a real problem. Yeah it's interesting because baked in. Our Constitution and our laws is protection for speech in protection for the press and for publications, and those have actually gotten extended to these social media giants and they are afforded and enjoy a lot of protection as a quote publisher to Mary. Ellen's point though they don't really have a filter and everything comes through and the law is now having to grapple with treating these social media entities. As a publisher in providing them those protections where they don't necessarily fit in that in that mold and maybe don't even necessarily deserve the full suite of protections that are available to those news organizations like Jan was talking about that build an infrastructure of information and truth safety before it gets to the public. So I think that'll be something to keep an eye on in the coming. Months as as either this administration or new administration has to tackle that in that vein as our listeners know my current focus is law and politics and the Supreme Court and it's been an insane two weeks but it's hard to believe that we lost Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg just a couple of weeks ago and I wanted to get your thoughts and perhaps your students thoughts on her passing. So with the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg I think it was one of those moments that many of us will always remember where we were when we heard the news, we all have those moments I think nine eleven's another one. Where were you when you first found out and I think for many people the passing of a Ruth Bader Ginsburg is going to have that kind of effect on them. You know she was the second woman appointed to the Supreme Court. Sandra Day O'connor was appointed I and both. Served, long and storied careers. But. I think it is the dissenting opinions that really set Ruth Bader Ginsburg apart in addition to the issues that she was passionate about and also the length of her tenure on the court, and so we use a slack channel in class to to have different conversations. It's like a group message board, and so we put RGB reflections. On our slack channel and there were so many interesting points that were made some talked about how she was a hero in a role model people on the other side of the aisle. Perhaps are just people who were looking at her life more broadly talked about her friendship with Justice Scalia as being something that they wished they saw more of today. They talked about. Some of the conversations and interviews that she had done in both books and with Nina Totenberg. They talked about her legacy and contributions to women's rights but some did also point out the effects of many of these decisions affected white women more significantly than black. Woman. And just her deep love and connection to equal justice under the law and so. I think for students that her loss and then seeing an polarized world this new nomination process along with covid along with racial unrest. Along with so many other things, economic collapse it just it it all feels quite disjointed. All feels very unsettling and I think many of us feel that as adults and I think the students feel that as well. But I will say that there's a lot of hope and determination in the. And I think they're going to figure it out and I think that they are ready for a chance to. Make their voices heard and to participate in the political process and to be part of the solution. Just add onto that. One of our students said from a young age I knew of our BG and Gelinas friendship despite their ideological differences I was completely inspired and refreshed to know about their close friendship especially since I imagine it would be very difficult to separate political beliefs from people and fellow justices and a job as political and as demanding as the Supreme Court. So that was from one of our students and we talked about that friendship with Scalia and RPG and again it came back to. That civility, we can have different opinions but we can learn from each other. We can be civil. We can say, Hey I see where you're coming from and I may not agree but I'll hear you out if you hear me out and I think that's where college students give you a lot of hope you don't run into. But of the ugly discourse, you have a lot of the civil discourse and they see it they recognize it and they want the civil discourse they want civility back in politics. and. Finally mary-ellen, you spend a lot of your time thinking writing teaching about leadership given president trump's Cova diagnosis. How do you think his leadership during the pandemic plays into the last month of the campaign and does his Cova diagnosis change the perception of voters? In addition to the class that teach a tice, an intro to global leadership studies class, and we read a wide range of of books and articles it's an interdisciplinary class but one of the history books that we read is Doris Kearns Goodwin's leadership in turbulent times. And we have recently finished that and she focuses on two Republican presidents and to democratic presidents she starts with Lincoln and then Theodore Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt and then Lyndon B. Johnson. And in reading and discussing that book, I feel like it really is a blueprint for how we should act and how we should move forward and how politicians should act and move forward. Frankly, she has one chapter dedicated to adversity and what adversity they encountered, how they overcame it and how they learned from it, and in reading those I feel like you could apply that to not just the executive branch but to congressional leaders as well and also on the state and local level, and that is that all of those presidents emerged as better people on the other side of their adversity because they were honest and clear communicators, they were willing to learn from their mistakes. And they were resilient they were hardworking they resilient and they had never give up attitude and I feel like that while none of those four men were perfect and for that matter none of us are period. But. We can learn a lot from their examples and they didn't do everything right and there are a lot of things that we could disagree with them on in terms of their policy and some of the things that they implemented but they all shared those fundamental characteristics in made them better in the end. And Jen, you covered the two thousand eight campaign when Senator McCain suspended his campaign in the wake of the financial. Crisis. Whether formerly suspended or not last week's news at least temporarily froze this campaign talk a little bit about that and what voters can expect over the next few days and weeks. Yeah. Well, when McCain suspended his campaign, it was because of the economy. So it was out of respect for that time. Let's listen to Senator McCain. Tomorrow morning. I'll suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global? Initiative. I've spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision. And I've asked him to join me. I'm calling on the president. To convene a leadership meeting. From both houses of Congress including Senator Obama and myself. It's time for both parties to come together. To solve this problem. We must meet as Americans, not as Democrats or Republicans. And we must meet until this crisis is resolved. There is precedent for this in some senses but also it's that we're dealing with covert and with Cova. There's just so many unknowns don't know. How this virus it affects people differently, and we don't know like how this will affect each person people have very mild symptoms. I can tell you I had a virus in twenty eighteen going into two thousand nineteen that hit me that actually is being compared in academic journals to Cova it and it hit me for some reason super hard whereas it usually doesn't hit people that hard. So we're just dealing with so many unknowns that I don't even know that I could compare it to a campaign I covered because this virus is just so unpredictable. mary-ellen. So if you're looking for a historical context here, probably the closest comparison would be the nineteen twelve election with Wayne Howard Taft Woodrow. Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt and. To remember that Teddy Roosevelt had already been president. Sadat mckinlay's term won his own term and then stepped away and pretty much handpicked taft to be his successor. But then he decided he didn't like what taff was doing. So he ran. After he failed to capture the Republican nomination he ran as a third party candidate with the Progressive Party and so it wasn't his first run for president. Of towards the end of his career. So he's running in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twelve, this three horse race, and he's a viable third party candidate and he's given a campaign speech and she shot. The urban legend is that he had a lot of papers in his pocket and that helped to soften the blow of the bullet but he ended up going in and having surgery to remove the bullet and so in the ensuing weeks taft and Wilson both suspended their campaigns until Theodore, Roosevelt was out of the hospital. Just one more thing that I would add is that modern campaigning is so different than it was even seventy five hundred years ago just the travel schedules that politicians have now when they're campaigning. The fact that now it's all about how many people you can draw into an arena politicians used to do a lot more retail politics, whistle-stop tours they knock on doors, and so I think the fact that you have the pandemic in now president trump has been diagnosed with covid in this age where campaigning is so different it just as Jen said, it just doesn't really have a historical comparison. All right. Well, we've taken up so much of your time and thank you for being generous with it and for bringing us into your classrooms and sharing so much knowledge with us Jen and mary-ellen. It's been great. Thank you. Thanks Katie Spun honored to have been here. Thank you for listening to words matter please rate and review words matter Apple podcast support wherever you get your shows.
Wednesday, March 20, 2019
"From Washington D C. This is Westwood One daily news for March twenty twenty nineteen. I'm John trout. It never really ended. And it's back in the spotlight again, President Trump's feud with the late Senator John McCain. Bob Costantini has more nearly seven months after John McCain's death. President Trump continues to criticize the Arizona Senator which in turn prompts his daughter Megan to respond with arrows at Mr. Trump after the latest volley in the feud via Twitter, the president in a photo op saying his first issue with McCain was his no vote on repealing ObamaCare. I think that's disgraceful. Plus there are other things. I was never a fan of John McCain, and I never will be the few dates back to Kennedy. Trump's saying McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese. We're going to be talking about different things all options are on the table. The president's guest in the Oval Office is a man often described as the Trump of South America who even talked about making Brazil, great, again, they stand you. Netted against Venezuela's, president Madero holding on in the face of his people's misery and international efforts to oust him, President Trump, the twilight our of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere, and hopefully, by the way, it's also arrived that twilight our great country. Yes. The message aiming at some of the democratic would be nominees. The last thing we wanted. The United States is socialism his guest show. You're both narrow new president of Brazil taking his country right word. He acknowledges by copying. Mr. Trump's political style through an interpreter there of like mind their efforts to ensure liberties and respect to traditional family lifestyles respect to God, our creator against the gender ideology, the politically correct attitudes and against fake news. President Trump even floated the idea Brazil could become a full member of the NATO alliance. Something Jere both narrow wasn't really prepared to discuss the visit was a chance for the two leaders to bond today. Brazil. Heavy present who is not anti American which is unprecedented in the best few decades. They're coming purpose of affecting leadership change in Venezuela is not full throttle. According to President Trump at some point. I would imagine things will change. But we really haven't done the really tough sanctions yet. We can do the tough sanctions, but already citizens in Venezuela are suffering food, water and electrical shortages. Bob Costantini, the White House. The White House misses a deadline to provide records to the House Judiciary committee investigating President Trump. Correspondent Linda Kenyon has the story committee requested records eighty one individuals and entities as part of its investigation into the president's campaign businesses and administration, the focus of the probe is obstruction of Justice public eruption and abuses of power those involved at two weeks to provide the documents, the chairman of the House Judiciary committee, Representative Jerrold Nadler says a handful of people have indicated they will fight the request leaving the committee to decide. Its next move, California Representative Ted lieu, a member of the committee says he believes at least some of those documents might still be on their way about half of the people on the document lists either have sent documents that we have received. They have already mailed those documents or they will be sending the documents shortly those who have complied so far include former Trump campaign, a George popadopoulos and former White House chief strategist, Steve Bannon, the NRA and Tom barrack who served as the chairman of the president's inaugural committee as for the others Liu says, there might be a perfectly reasonable explanation for the delay. One reason we haven't gotten all the documents immediately is because many of them or sending them via regular mail. These are large amounts of documents that takes time and also goes through security screening before comes through our offices in the capital. And when it comes to the documents that do not fall into that category. And are still outstanding these Eighty-one document cross were not form letters. They were very specific to specific individuals to their unique ace, and and some of these cases were. Happy to work, then vigils if they wanted to partial docking requests, if they have privileges. They want to assert were happy work with them on those issues, but we do expect to get overwhelming majority documents that we have requested. Make no mistake says Lou the committee is not about to let this slide. Then we'll start looking at subpoena for those who don't respond to the subpoenas. There will be a legal process that will follow but says failure to comply with the request should raise some suspicions the Merican people really should be asking. What are they hiding? What is the White House hiding where they don't want to provide these documents? Linda Kenyon, Washington relatives of the victims of the terror attack in New Zealand began burying the dead. Meanwhile, authorities are leaving no stone unturned as they investigate whether the gunman on apparent white supremacist had help from anyone around the world. Steve Kastenbaum reports. New Zealand police Commissioner Mike Bush that had they not found in arrested the gunman when they had he would have attacked a third location. We strongly believe. We still them on the way to a further attack. So I live with. Boy stuff courageous in their intervention. He said investigators are working to determine whether he had any help and that involves cooperation with law enforcement agencies around the world, including the FBI. There was only one attack. The investigation focus is to work out. Whether anyone else was involved in supporting or any other way, and we're still conducting that part of the investigation while tradition in the Muslim community requires that the dead are buried as quickly as possible authorities. New Zealand are still working to positively identify every one of the fifty victims. We would like to do that as quickly as possible, but it must be done as proficiently and accurately as possible. To get it Rome is unforgivable, and you cannot come back from that. New Zealand has a reputation for being an open welcoming society, locals are quick to point out that this gunman came from outside their country. But it raises questions about how you stop the spread of racist. Hatred. Christchurch mayor leeann dolls E L said it has to be done on the local level city perspective. And that's where I stand as the mayor of Christ Jewish. I stand alongside me as a cross the world that we have to stay to give to stop this. We have to support this from the grassroots it has knives. Looking after knives at is communities looking out for communities as city leaders providing leadership the first funerals for victims of the shooting were held on Wednesday for forty four year old colored Mustafa and his fifteen year old son hums, a hundreds of people stood in solemn silence at memorial park cemetery where graves have been dug to bury dozens of. Victims. I'm Steve Kastenbaum. For the first time the food and Drug administration has approved a medication specifically for treating postpartum depression. Correspondent Sierra Crawford reports the drug to be called the wrestle offers new hope for mothers SS centers for disease control prevention as the may send one in nine women or impacted by the debilitating condition now all as opposed to work within forty eight hours. It does come with some limitations as an costing twenty thousand bucks in being administered through an IV over sixty hours in which to new mother must remain in a certified medical center under supervision says she get dizzy or faint. The New York Times reports that happened to several women in clinical trials. I'm Sierra Crawford. Lovie defending Stanley Cup. Champions will be visiting President Trump at the White House. Correspondent John Stolnis has details. Forty four year history. The Stanley Cup champions after beating the Las Vegas Golden Knights in five games last year to win their first Stanley Cup title. The capital's won't have far to go to visit the White House just across the city. They call home they'll visit the president on Monday to celebrate their victory from last June going to the White House used to assure thing for sports teams. But with President Trump in office, the NFL's Philadelphia Eagles skip the trip after winning Super Bowl fifty two and the Golden State Warriors have skipped multiple trips after their NBA titles. I'm John Stolnis. Westwood One daily news for March twenty of twenty nineteen. I'm John trout.
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"Everyone. It's poppy Harlow on this week's episode of boss files one on one with Gwyneth Paltrow. But not as when it's a famous actress rather when the CEO she's built goop to a two hundred fifty million dollars business. But you tells me still feels like an impostor sometimes as CEO loss what she's learned from Disney, and why did you reach down to Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. This CNN podcast is brought to you by American Express, my credit guide a free credit score. And report and other tools to help you take charge of your credit. Your credit score is greater than a number. It's your story. Hi, podcast listeners. The US keeps ratcheting up the rhetoric with Iran now, designating the revolutionary guard corps as a terrorist organization, but a top Iranian official joins me on the show tonight saying that if the US actually implemented that it would mean war in the Persian Gulf because the US is there. And so is the Iranian force. Also, he tells me that there are no US efforts only Goshi Asians to bring back any Americans held in Iran right now, then I talked to Emily Basel on she is pushing for criminal Justice reform in the United States, the ark of public opinion is turning towards that. And she says being a tough prosecutor may no longer be a great platform for would be candidates for president. And then Cindy McCain the widow of the late Senator John McCain talks about the human side of her husband's legacy, helping wounded warriors and trying to stop trafficking of human beings. 'cause all of this. This as President Trump keeps up his attacks on the late Senator enjoy the show. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. The Trump administration keeps ratcheting up what it calls its maximum pressure campaign against Iran from pulling out of the nuclear deal last year, and we imposing a wide range of tough sanctions to now declaring Iran's revolutionary guard a terrorist organization. So where is all this pressure headed Senator rand Paul says that he's worried the White House may be angling to use a two thousand one authorisation for the use of military force, which allows US troops to fight entities responsible for the nine eleven attacks to lay the groundwork for military action against Iran, and what he pressed secretary of state, Mike Pompeo on that the secretary hardly said those fears to rest. The factual question with respect to Iran's connections to al-qaeda is very real. They have hosted all kinds of they permitted. Okada transit transit their country. There's no doubt. There is a connection between the Islamic Republic of Iran and Qaeda beard, full stop. It is rare in the western press to hear what Iran has to say about the situation and today, I'm joined by honeyed by Dina judge. He is Iran's ambassador to Britain and one of his most senior diplomats welcome ambassador to the program. So it looks like things are getting very serious again into of rhetoric from the United States towards Iran. First and foremost, the secretary of state the administration is trying to lay the groundwork. It seems that you Iran are indelibly connected to al-qaeda. What is your response to what he said about hosting it post nine eleven allowing them to transit? I agree with you that they are intensifying some parts of rhetorics, but this kind of allegations that Iran has had some links with Al Qaeda is not a new thing. They have. Made this in numerous times. We have always rejected this. But unfortunately, the US wants to always increase the pressures and have some rhetorics up. They would raise this issue normally, but this is not new to us. It's not new to you. And in fact, there were some al-qaeda inside Iran often nine eleven I mean, just explain what was going on including one of the sons of some of unladen as I said there have there have been always some allegations that in fact, have not been any they have not been substantiated the, but what we have a very clearly mentioned from the US authorities, I advise secretary Pompeo to consult Hillary Clinton because she was rather very clear in enunciate that the United States has created in fact scoop back to the Soviet occupation period when they. Hired the Osama bin Laden and. In fact, gave the necessary advanced equipments to Osama bin Laden, and those jihadi groups which Iden created this allocators that was the creation of the United States that was way back in the eighty s when the United States was supporting those Islamic militants the merger Hayden against the Soviet occupation during the Cold War. But you hearing what they're saying you admit that they're ratcheting up, and it's getting more heated in public on. You heard Senator rand Paul say, well, you that he doesn't he's concerned about the use of this. This this connection. Do you fear that there is an attempt to ratchet up the conditions to start a campaign to take on Iran militarily normally that should be seen this manner? But what we see from the United States that there is no coherent policy by the United States. So they can increase the rhetorics in one place, but forget about how to implement those stated policies in impractical terms. So we believe that these are just rhetorics, and we are very skeptical to see if they had they have any intention to in fact, increase the pressure on the ground, but we will see images play the sound by by Senator rand Paul. He is a Republican, but does not want to let a President Trump or Mike. Pompeo us that two thousand and one is Asian for for war. Let's just doesn't do what he said. I am troubled that the administration can't unequivocally say that you haven't been given power. I can tell you explicitly. You have not been given power aurthority by congress to have war with Iran in any kind of semblance of sane world. You would have to come back and ask us before you go into Iran. So laying out what certainly his side. And I'm sure quite a large group of senators believe about a repetition of Iraq situation. However, again, the facts show that the administration is prepared to take on precedent steps. For instance, it has never designated an entity that is a governmental entity in any country a terrorist group which had justed to the Iran to the Islamic revolution. Regard. I mean, what is your reaction to that? Why do you think they're doing that? The other said, I think this is part of the rhetoric because in fact, the the the reality show that they are not at all interested to see what are the implications of making such decisions, for example in the region. And in the within the Iranian nations now as as you have heard that the leaders in the region or very concern. And they have a contacted the necessary people in the in in Washington to ask for the revision of this kind of decision. They are objecting this policy by the United States, and you have heard the leaders in the region, very clearly stating their their policies in in terms of Iranian public opinion, as as as, you know, the are juicy is in a very solid position and has a great support from the people and the no Iranian institute. Ocean. Or no part of the Iranian public opinion has been associating itself with this kind of rhetoric which is going on in the US and juicy isn't a very solid position in terms of the support received from the nation. Well, I'm going to talk a little bit more about that solid position of the because that's also worrying a lot of people. Let's just play exactly what secretary Pompeo said about the as they were designating a terrorist organization. For forty years, the Islamic republic's revolutionary guard gore has actively engaged in terrorism and created supported and directed other terrorist groups, the JC masquerades as a legitimate military organization, but none of us should be fooled. It regularly violates the laws of armed conflict, it plans, an executes terror campaigns all around the world. No Iran retaliated by saying that now Iran has deg designated Centcom the American forces in that theater as terrorists. And you know, has worn them to watch out for consequences. I mean that looks to be a deliberate direct threat and we've seen American forces in the region over the past few years deliberately targeted and Iranian. Forces have been blamed among others than Iranian militias people who are aligned with them. So what does Iran mean when it designates Centcom forces as a terrorist organization? This is exactly retaliation that they have named the our armed forces terrorist organization, which is against the facts or your has been a very effectively fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria. They have been very. Effective in helping those two countries to fight against ISIS. So in our view Idress are juicy should be rewarded rather than the sanctioned. So this is contrary to the reality is in the region, and in our view that was a kind of a gift to the Netanyahu pre election gift to Netanyahu before the exactly the night before the election. So they they are not in fact, taking an interest to see what are the consequences of this decision. They are just want to in help Netanyahu to have a solid position in the Israeli politics. Okay. Well, so that is what your foreign minister said Dr Jerry says I said another misguided election eve give to Netanyahu another dangerous, US misadventure in the region. And of course, prime minister Netanyahu did thank is very good friend, the president of the United States. Put it for doing this and for and for calling out what he called a common threat and a threat to the region. Designation of of terrorism counted as a nation of terrorists by by you, all of this plays into a very concerted realignment or alignment of forces in your region with the United States, and Israel, and the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia seeking to push back Iran's influence, and let's face it. Iran. I are has had many people believe very negative influence in Syria. What an how are you preparing against this regional push against Iran bureau. Now is in a very good mood of cooperation in the region between Iran and Iraq, as you know, prisoner Honey visited Iraq and emits all the higher officials with the people different cities. We have very good cooperation with Afghanistan. Pakistan and also other governments in the region. So you Don is in a very statement situation. In fact, we are not afraid of what the United States believes in Washington. The question is that in fact, v are in a very positive corporation in all spheres, economic political and even defense cooperation in the region. So we think that these actions bidding United States intend to impress. In fact, this kind of cooperation which exists between Iran and the region, but the reality is that U S forces now are are in the region so logically now there are concerns even within the EU establishment for naming the juicy as a terrorist organization because now it can. Have very immediate impact over the situation that the US forces are in the region, they are in a very volatile in fact situation, and they are they could be very damaging situation if they want really to implement instructions from Washington, I believe that set aside, the rhetorics there would be no particular instruction from the United States in Washington to implement those rhetorics on the ground because they are imprisoned golf. They will see all your Jesse officers on I o Jesse forces in the Gulf if they dare to implement those instructions that are Jesse is a terrorist organization, if they move to counter, the they would see how forcefully they would be retaliated on the ground. So I imagine that these are just a Turks. They don't have any instruction on the ground. And as. You you have listened the spokesman of the army in some respect they have mentioned that they have we have not received any new instruction in terms of countering. The is the situation as before you talking about the US army sergeant. Absolutely. So let me ask you because, you know, obviously, the Trump administration wants a completely different in new negotiation with Iran, whether it's over new care and all the other issues that they've delineated and frankly, many countries want to see Iran have a different relationship in many areas. Whether it's in Syria, whether it's Hezbollah whatever it might be terrorism and all the rest of it. They kind of seem to want regime change. My question to you is has the United States pressure over the last two years of the Trump administration since pulling out of the nuclear deal has it. Bolstered the very forces that they are against in other words, the IRS and the more hardliners in Iran has the United States action helped the or hurt it. I can tell you that this. Wrong decisions have enabled our nation to be together and bridge consensus over the policy VW United States now all I in in Iran, be the moderate or conservatives or whatever we call them. They are on. Involved line, which is confronting the US threats and sanctions, and we see that even this last decision against all your again has reinforced the position of all nation to be behind our juicy and supporting the DC so these are the wrong decisions with which creating exactly the contrary. In fact, the consequences that they have in their months and just to be clear, the is not just a military force. Although it is one, but it has a huge footprint on the Iranian economy and in every aspect of Iranian life. Correct. Or juicy is the now is the organization which really has. Different branches. And even as you you can you can see during the floods in Iran, which was very devastating and very in fact, covering many many cities in Iran, juicy was among the the the first forces, which was underground helping the people with the machineries equipment. They really trying to to make bridges which were in fact. In fact, in difficulties and helping the people assisting the people and the oil g see now is a very popular. They are the had the legacy in the war and also many many Iranian soldiers. Young people when conscripted they they are in the juicy to to serve the military services. Let me move onto another issue. This State Department, and particularly the secretary of state says he's committed to and the president bringing back Americans who are held hostage or unjustly imprisoned in countries around the world dual nationals included you have several Joel national Americans in jail any rom, and I just wanna play for you a sound bite from Jason resigned fan who's the Iranian American journalist who was released as part of the Iran nuclear deal under the Obama administration. This is what he says about his release and about those who are still there. I am the happy ending and it took five hundred forty four days for me to be sprung from that situation. At this moment. We don't see anything happening between the US and Iran that would indicate that their negotiations going on for the people that are currently being held. Are there any negotiations because the Americans have proudly said they brought people doing from Turkey and North Korea. And elsewhere are is this administration engaging with Iran to try and get the jewel nationals out of your jails. That is known known associations at the moment. Because in fact, when we had the JCP or channels, and we had some communications with the US in terms of implementing the Jason a the negotiations concerning that part of the implementation, but after the Trump administration withdrew from the Jason did is no channel there's no negotiations between on the US on any issue, including this door nationals. The families must be very very unhappy Willie Ron do something to to help them get free. Most of them are unjustly held all of them. The we are not happy that these people are in the jails, but they are in the James because because of the verdicts by the by the judge about the wrongdoings that they have they have made V always try to see if there are possibilities to help to help them. But in fact, that needs a working relation with the judiciary. And we have been always trying to see what are the possibilities. But the reality is that they have been wrongdoings and dish. In fact, in the j two to have their sentences ambassador by by DJ. Thank you very much different. Joining me thing too. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical, offering huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses that incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. That's Z E N N, I dot com slash CNN. I'm the as you Messina, and I'm jokin soon. 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The new movement to transform American post prosecution end mass incarceration, and I asked her about that and about another legal matter the arrest of the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange when I spoke with her today. Assange has been charged with helping the former army intelligence specialist Chelsea Manning. Then call Bradley Manning to access defense department computers back in two thousand ten in an effort to disclose secret government, documents Assange and his legal team wanted to make this a question of freedom of speech. And freedom of the press. Emily basilan. Welcome to the program. Thanks so much. So let's start with the hard news. The breaking news from today. And that is that Julian Assange as we said has been arrested off to all these years hiding out and hoping to have escaped extradition in the Ecuadorian embassy. What kind of Justice, do you think he will face in the United States to in Assange will face federal charges for computer hacking, and the big controversy here will be whether this is a threat to press freedom because he's being prosecuted for helping to release information, which a lot of people think was in the public interest relating to abuses privacy's abuses, by the US government. The information that came from within the government from Chelsea Manning. So there's a way in which Assange performed a role here. Some people think is roic in this case on the other hand, these are computer hacking charges they're not charges under the espionage act. He's not being accused of. Spying. And so the kind of counter argument will be well Assange broke the law, for example by trying to break pass code into the US government. And that because he broke the law. He was not performing the traditional role of journalist here. In fact, his lawyer pushes back similar to what you just mentioned. You k- chords will need to resolve. What appears to be an unprecedented effort by the United States seeking to extradite a foreign journalist to face criminal charges for publishing truthful information, so this earth, and you're going to go with that defense. And obviously the Obama administration had tried to prosecute him for this hacking. But then dropped it. What will this current administration and federal courts to? This ministry does not by the idea that Assange was acting as a journalist, and we'll try to portray him as someone who went beyond the role of a journalist by breaking the law himself on the question will be whether the courts buy into that theory of the case. And then of course, we should mention that Assange has become an even more complicated figure because of his role in the Russian hacking an influence in the American elections in two thousand sixteen he's not being charged for that conduct. These charges relate back to twenty ten but because he has played this dual role that I think makes his position as a defendant in this case trickier for him. And because this is really the topic of your book, which we're gonna get to right now, what kind of a sentence based on precedent. If there is one could he face imprisonment for how long he could certainly face years in prison when the federal government comes after you for this kind of high profile case they. They tend to try to throw the book at you. By stacking up a lot of charges, and this is a very high profile specific unusual case, but the prosecutorial power that we see here is very much the subject of my book and affects ordinary people in lots of. More hidden ways every day. So let's just repeat your book is charged. The new movement to transform American prosecution and end mass incarceration. So let's just start this conversation with a couple of charts to show everybody, the facts and figures about crime and incarceration in the United States, so firstly US violent crime rate is going down. And that is what the chart shows from nine hundred ninety six to two thousand seventeen. However, conversely incarceration is going up. It's now it almost two point two million. And it has quintupled if you like since the nineteen eighty s what is wrong with that picture? Well, I think what's wrong with that picture is that if you go back even further to the nineteen seventies thousand time when crime in the United States was rising. And so when incarceration rose in response, you could see the relationship there. But then you see violent crime go. Down way down in places, like New York City. It's down to the level of the nineteen fifties. And yet incarceration continued to rise, and is really stuck at these nineteen eighty levels as if we still had this epidemic violent crime that we had back then so we have not caught up to the reality of crime falling. And we have also not faced up to how damaging incarceration is for families of people who go to jail in prison for the communities. They come from. And of course, for the people who experienced this, and there are real questions. I think finally being asked the United States about how we're using our resources, and whether this is actually a helpful or harmful pursuit of mass incarceration that we're engaged in. Okay. What is it certainly infamous around the world the United States? Mass incarceration is infamous again. Let me just put up another job because it's worth just seeing you write in your book, you give incredibly interesting case study. As you follow. But you of mostly focusing on. I think what you turn prosecutorial zeal and the plea bargain process. So walk us through what that means. And how it's led to this. Will prosecutors have much more power than the American system was designed for and they are really the missing piece in explaining the American mass, incarceration puzzle. And why our rates are so much higher than the rest of the world in the eighties. Lots of states started passing mandatory sentences when you make a sentence mandatory. It means that the punishment is baked into the charge. And it's the prosecutor who controls the charge the higher you set the charge with a mandatory sentence or by stacking charges. The more leverage you have to force a plea bargain. It's very hard for defendants when they're facing significant time in jail or prison to take a risk and roll the dice on going to trial. They know that the prosecutor and the judge will punish them by making their sentence much higher. If they lose it trial. And so that's the dynamic we see here in which prosecutors are just playing this key role. So. Obviously, there's a devil's advocate question to be had. You know, you're talking about essentially, the crisis of mass incarceration, which now is becoming something the public and indeed the politicians even President Trump looking at and then you have the crisis of victims rights that most law and order types, and polit- politics seems to venerate, obviously. So what about the victim's rights lend? Sill glad you brought up this point because victims are such an important part of this picture and are often so Mr. Ved by the American system, if you talk to victims and surveys of them, they express a lot of feelings of betrayal and disappointment with the American system. Now, it is true that some victims want unitive outcomes and a murderer as a terrible crime. But there is vast amounts of crime in the United States that is not burder or rape, this sort of classic most scary via. Violent crimes and in. Some of those cases victims are interested in other outcomes than prison in a kind of reckoning in restitution in talking to people and understanding the circumstances of their lives that led them to snatch an iphone off the street say or break into an empty building a break into your house when you're not home. So I think that actually putting victims front and center is really important to criminal Justice reform, and that assuming that they want the harshest outcome in every case, that's that's not actually always the case. The other thing that I find really interesting is you look, at instance, Norway, just to take a country, and you talk about how some countries in the world, including Norway have maximum sentences. No matter what the crime. I mean. That's just take Anders Breivik, right? I mean, all of the guy who committed mass murder as a white nationalist in Norway a few years ago. There's a maximum sentence and you have. Said that actually time and age do change individuals very much can change individuals, and that they may not be the same danger to society as when they first went into prison. That's right. I mean, look they're heinous crimes that Americans may feel deserve life in prison. It is also true that most people age out of the period in which they commit violent crimes when you talk about people in their forties and fifties and older. They are just very unlikely to continue to commit violent crimes and so- locking up. People for many decades, doesn't usually make sense. If you're thinking about it from the point of view of deterrence of keeping the community safe. It really can only be justified in terms of retribution and it's incredibly expensive. So in thinking about the way, we spend our resources have to ask the question of whether that's a sensible use of resources, whether it's really serving adjusted moral purpose. I wanna play a little bit from sixty minutes when louisi- Louisiana prosecutor Ahmadi Stroud made very very emotional sort of apology. In two thousand fifteen for somebody who he put in jail wrongfully. I was. Narcissistic? Caught up in the culture of winning win, regardless of the facts the truth looking back on it. Yes. It was a question about other people's involvement. I should've followed up on that. I didn't do that. If you're on death row for thirty years. Yes. Did you ever come close to an execution date came within a week because judge you retire? And he wanted to put it that date on. I mean, it really is horrendous. He was sent to death row for a crime that he didn't commit a now you have a prosecutor apologizing so address that unlevel playing field. Well, I think what we've seen the United States is that the judge who's the neutral referee is not in a decision making position in the way, we imagined judges to be and this goes back to what we were talking about in terms of prosecutors having so much power over charging plea bargaining because of that we've seen a shift where it's really prosecutors making the key decisions. And the reason that matters so much that the main job of prosecutors and the United States is to win convictions. They are also supposed to be ministers of Justice, but their incentives are really to convict people. They're not neutral and also they exercise their power in a kind of black box. We bargaining does not take place in open court. It's haggling over the phone or in the hallway with the defense lawyer. And so in the. Very crucial ways the American system has shifted. And we didn't talk about this when we were making sentences harsher in the nineteen eighties and nineties, we didn't say, okay, it's time to shift all the power and discretion to prosecutors. So it's this this feature of the system that was not really intended or planned, but has all kinds of consequences. It's just not forget, let's reiterate that man Glenn Ford spent thirty years on death row in jail just waiting for that for the lever to be pulled until he was finally released. So that's thirty years, you talk about plea bargaining Allott, and you quote, a Yale Law. Professor, he basically says it's like torture. There's of course, a difference between having your limbs crushed if you refuse to confess or suffering some extra years of imprisonment, but the differences of degree not kind plea bargaining like torture is coercive, and it is unique to the United States. But isn't it something that keeps the? A system moving on. What if there wasn't plea bargaining? It absolutely keeps the system the current system in the United States moving along. And it's pretty unimaginable. To imagine ending it here. However, it is a magical to imagine placing some constitutional limits on it having a degree of threat that is beyond what prosecutors are allowed to do. We don't have any of those constitutional limits. Nited states the supreme court has failed to set them. So I think that you could imagine a system in which plea bargaining continues to play a role, but it is restrained in a way that we don't have now. And so one of the things I got the most excited about writing about in. My book is a movement among prosecutors to exercise their power differently as long as they control charging and plea bargaining. It's up to them to figure out how to not always seek the harshest outcome and in the United States. Prosecutors district attorney's are elected which means that really their power is the power of the. Voters and one of the things I enjoyed the most about the book was learning about a movement and really trying to track its efforts to elect new kinds of prosecutors. So this is now really really interesting because as you say public opinion is shifting the president of the United States was in the Oval Office with Kim Kardashian and somebody who she and his daughter wanted released from jail, and he released that person commuted her sentence. But prosecutors the tougher they are have always thought that's a great way to run for national office. And it's happened over and over again. Now, let's say Senator Kamala Harris is trying to run for president. She was a tough prosecutor, but it's not quite going. So well for her explain that. Well, you're absolutely right. It used to be that had states. If you ran as a law and order tough on crime politician, you couldn't lose and Democrats as well as Republicans tended to make sure they could check that box. In addition, Tacoma, Harris who's facing questions about her record as a prosecutor. There's also Joe Biden who was very proud of his role in passing crime bills in the eighties and nineties that now we look back, and there's really a bipartisan consensus that they were excessive for example, inputting drug offenders in prison and also created an enormous racial disparity in the system with black people in the United States bearing the brunt of the punishment. So the politics really are shifting in public opinion polls. Most Americans are interested in supporting candidates who promised to reduce incarceration, and that is a bipartisan phenomenon and it is changing these local and state elections in red states as well as blue states where people elect prosecutors and people are realize. That they have the power to reshape the criminal Justice system in their own communities. This is not something they have to wait for Washington defects, really interesting, and of course, huge money on both the left and the right is going into this reform process. You are the author of charged EMMY basil and thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. And we'll obviously definitely keep following this trend for reform in that criminal Justice system. But up next Cindy McCain has become a figurehead in the fight against human trafficking and veterans rights, and although she still grieving for her husband the late Senator John McCain. She says the fight must continue and she sat down with a hurry street of awesome to explain. It's been less than a year since Senator McCain past, and I know grief is a process where are you? Now. I'm better, you know, this is it's my job to stay strong for my children and their at various stages as well. So it it is a process, and it's something that. That you know, as a human being you just do the best. You can you never get over it though. But you learn to live with it. So what are the hard parts? Oh, just everything reminds me of him and people remind me of him. They'll you know, we loved him. They'll stop me in an airport or stop me wherever I might be in. That's always a reminder. What what he was and what what would lost? Let's talk a little bit about the initiatives that you're focused on through the McCain institute human trafficking, why that topic and what are you working on? Well, the the institute has many different issues, as you know, the human trafficking element was was my husband had we called it our sides, and it's not that way. But his his obviously interests was was next generation leaders human rights freedom of the press cetera and my side for the human trafficking element of it. So what we do is. We work not just on sex trafficking. We began domestically. You started right narrow Zona. And expanded we've sense expanded and have helped or a part of many programs across the country. Our latest issue is labor trafficking. We'd begun our step into labor trafficking. We have a very robust project going in Texas with regards to the fruit pickers, and you know, the people that come across either on a daily basis or or slip across or whatever it may be. And that includes being able to not just charge the traffickers much harder than we were training. Prosecutors making sure that workers are being treated fairly making sure that we have we have a constant continuing effort to make sure that that they know they're right says, well, your national labor organization estimates that this one hundred fifty billion dollar industry that there's forty million people around the world that are being trafficked for Americans helped them understand. How is this happening in the United States? How were they perhaps even contributing to it not knowing well, the first thing we tell? People is to to take a look be be observant of what you're buying so buy the products that you believe in can can possibly make sure determine that are fairly produced and and their workers are treated treated humanely is kind of where that I would use. And then of course, making sure that you understand your community because this is it's not just happening in Texas. It's happening all over the country, and these labor traffickers are not just fruit pickers, these are people that that could be working in a hotel. They could be working as domestic helper. They could be could be anywhere. Really? And so I what I tell people be alert. If you if you see it, and you're not sure then educate yourself on it and make sure the NBA part of this be a part of this this wave that I think's going on right now in helping to stop stop this, by the way, this is not an immigration issue. This is this a human rights issue. It's a basic human rights issue. And we sometimes get confused. Our issue gets confused with with immigration. It's not. So how are people traffic well within the United States? These are local girls and boys that are usually on the edge. They've may have been in foster care. They may have been homeless may have run away. They wind up in the hands of these pimps that for instance, in a girl's case, they'll real amend say, you're beautiful. You you look so lovely let me let me get you a modeling job kind of thing. And that's kind of how lot of this stuff starts, but they are systematically moved around the country. You can almost follow the trends to it. In fact, you can pull them it for instance, Super Bowl use that as the first prime example because that's how we got started. You know, huge huge event lot. Lot of good things happen. A lot of bad things happen trappings one of them large events like that. You'll see the move from maybe a Super Bowl too big car race or to a convention in Las Vegas or all the way around the country. A lot of this is done online. I'm happy to say that that there's spent some legislation passed nationally that has stopped a good portion of this. But it still happening last year, the military reached a record number of suicides. And since they began keeping fracking these century. It's a sad record to hit off. You're also working with an organization that helps veterans with PTSD tell us about that waiters and quiet waters. There a small nonprofit they're based at Amman Hannah. And I've came upon them because basically a young man that my son new started it and what they do is. They take our wounded wounded veterans. Not just our physics. Wounded, but our wounded veterans that are suffering within their within themselves. They take them. And it's a very simple thing. They take them in they go fly fishing to give them all the quip -ment. They give they sent him out in boats with with other men who've been in the same situation, but that are now doing fishing and doing other things, and it's been most successful with these men because it's a kind of program. That's it's soft. It's simple. It's. But it, but it really has an impact on these men. We've seen a lot of different people come through. And and they're doing much better. Now, it's on one hundred percent. But it's it's a very good organization. What what is it about? It is it about talking to other people realizing, you're not alone. Yeah. I think it's about talking. I think it's about understanding. I think it's about somebody caring enough to do it by frankly, and and enabling them giving them the tools that they could maybe do it themselves later on. It's it's wonderful to watch this. They took me fly fishing one year. I was up there for a board meeting. And I was quite frankly, I was kinda crankiest I've got things to do. I need to. I've got I've worked to excetera. And it was the best thing they could have done for me. And that's how I really understood. How successful this is. Because I spent a day just today, and it it was life changing for me. It was great. Your husband admitted that one he was a prisoner of war that he had thought about and tried to take his own life. After he came back. I mean, he had a storied career a war hero sort of larger than life veterans approach him because knowing his history in a way where he could connect to them. You know, understanding a little bit of the pain that they might still be feeling. He understood it, as you know, advocated for help for for veterans in many different ways. And I think too they saw they felt a camaraderie with him. Because because they knew that he knew he knew what it was like, what are some of the challenges that are structural the veterans are facing considering that we're in these forever wars. We're going to have an influx of veterans coming home. Right. I think it one of the issues I know that my husband worked on a great deal was veterans choice giving them the opportunity to get health care, including mental health care within their own communities. Not having to go to the VA to get it. The these guys come home and men and women come home, and they're they wind up homeless. They wind up, you know. On drugs, whatever, you know, all the all things that can happen, and our communities are just not equipped enough to deal either deal with them or can't deal with them in one way or another and it's up to us as Americans to make sure these young men and women are cared for so veterans choices one. That's that would be a huge benefit for this. And just start community's getting together and supplying more beds and more more shelters for these guys at wind up on the streets. Especially you mentioned that you're still in a process of grieving recently, the president took his legacy to task again. What does that do to you? Why? No, it it. It was something that I'm sorry that it happened. But listen, our family is so strong that they're those those kinds of things make no difference us. I think my daughter handled it very well. And as far as the rest of the family, we just want go on with our lives. You know, we we know who Don with and we know it our life is was is with him you receive some really hateful messages, and you chose to take one of them and tweeted out why why do that? Well, it wasn't so much about what was going on with the White House, etc. But it was about the absolute lack of civility in a public forum in any way, the anonymity that social media has has given has propelled, you know, people to say some horrible things not just to me me to a lot of people, and somehow they can get away with it. And I just felt that that won it. Was so bad. I mean, I get them every day, but gone was so bad. I, you know, I'm just going to I'm going to let people know what's going on. So we're hearing there's a possibility that the woman who sent you that horrible message that she could have been hacked that. This could be part of something bigger just to try to get us to maybe that to me is just horrible. If that's true. You know, we don't have confirmation on it yet. But it's horrible if that actually happened and this level like you said the level of discord that's occurring right now. And someone would go that far perhaps to to to instill is kind of hatred. It has to stop I placed not blame. But I place responsibility on some of these outlets to monitor what's going on and help help all of us who are trying to do the right thing. They, but we need help. I mean, I can't I still get the stuff on on Twitter not like that. But I still get it. But what you know, the social media companies are going to say, listen, we've built these tool. Does that actually help democracy? It's something that you care about it. If it wasn't for us. There wouldn't be these protests and uprisings against Dettori regimes. Right. So what what what should they be standard though? I mean, talking about an uprising we're talking about political democracy, or whatever maybe is one issue, but but rolling over and and what what that tweet were that message was all about that's not acceptable in my idea. And I think that we have to our our Facebook Twitter's and has to be somewhat responsible. They have to help us in this. What about the friends of Senator McCain who? Or silent in the face of this. I mean, they seem to scare to challenge the president for their own political careers. Well, I think that whatever their decision is is their decision on any of this. The important part is that the country knows who John McCain was in the country believed in him and loved him the way we do. And so, you know. We don't need praise or we don't need, you know, for our far as our family goes. We don't need any any help. But we welcome any that comes. So Lindsey Graham somebody who considered himself a friend to John McCain, even throughout the eulogy. There have been several instances where he's had an opportunity to point out the record of late Senator and dispute some of these claims that have been made mean the president's attacked your husband's patriotism, the loyalty Republican party and Lindsey Graham, his responses tepid at best, and you're, you know, you're still going to have a relationship with Lindsey Graham, you're going to Africa soon with him, right? Lindsay is good friend. He was he was literally like a son to my husband. You know, these these are Lindsay's decisions. I I don't dislike him for any of it. I love him and will always love him. He's a part of our family. So, you know, life goes on and whatever he decides to do he decides to do it's his decision. But but let me say he is a good friend. And I like I said I love him very much. You've said before that you're a lifelong Republican that politics is cyclical, but at this point the overwhelming majority of Republicans who self identify support the president's policies. So it seems to me a different party than the one that you and John signed up for if the Republican party and platform, truly now the party of Trump, are you still a Republican? I guess I'm still a Republican. But with that said politics, very cyclical, and if we used to describe it as a pendulum the pendulum goes this way, and then it's wings back. It'll go that way and swing back in this is part of the pendulum swinging. I believe in the decency and honesty of people Republican or democrat and. This'll pass this too will pass John would have said, but you and Vicky Kennedy wife, Ted Kennedy, our friends, unfortunately, the same disease to both of your husband's it seems like that sort of a relationship is increasingly rare in American political life politics should never be personal. No matter what area you're in. No matter what where whether you're on the local level, the national level worldwide level, it's not personal. And I think those kinds of lessons that my husband was really good at teaching people and mentoring people he loved to mentor specially senators that came through an house members into teaching them and showing them the right way to to work with this. And I think right now, we're in a in a in an arena that it's maybe a little more personal minute. Should be seems like personal is what's rewarded? Well, I do think that the American people are the ultimate judge of this. Two and they speak through the ballot box. So I think those of us that are on the sidelines. We we will speak very loudly about this at the ballot box. And I think we'll see what happens in twenty twenty one of the other things you're focused on fostering, democracy around the world, recently and Ukraine. What was that like Ukraine was a country that my husband cared, very deeply about and worked very hard to to propose democracy, but helped the fledgling democratic country work for me to be back where and seeing election that he had talked about the upcoming elections, which we just saw the first first part of it for me to see it and having heard about it through him, and then see it through other people's eyes and see how impactful John was to that country. You know, they named a street after him. Now. It's amazing. It's wonderful. Democracy was what Tom was all about the freedom of the right to be free and determine your own destiny. And it's coming to fruition in crane. You know, when you were in Ukraine. I'm sure that there you heard more about this. But are they concerned about Russian influence, and they're very much very much. So this first round was very clean. It was. There was no discourse. There was no they read been hearing. They were gonna be riots and all kinds of things nothing happened. It was actually quite dull, which was great. It was a great thing. The second round they think's going to be troublesome. And they're worried about the Russians. Doing all the things that we have been told that they do and are continuing to do with her bars to infiltrating and and messing with the count. And all the things that they could do you look at all these different things. Fostering, democracy, fighting human trafficking veterans care restoring civility in public life. These are all sounding like planks to a candidate's platform. Any interest in running for all know? No. I've seen Paul hocken around this a long time. I am very happy doing what I'm doing. And I like I said the most important thing I need to be doing right now is making sure my family's. Okay. How are they doing with us? They're all you know, there are different stages with this. It's. And I just day by day. You know, it's making sure that this. Everyone's okay. It's been were or seven months out from John's death now, and it's not any easier. But I think it's getting easier to live with if that makes sense just, you know, the understanding that this is this is our new reality. So that's been a little little challenging at times. So name became thanks so much for having me. A rare interview with Cindy McCain, meantime across North Africa Arab spring two point. Oh seems to be underway today in Sudan the president and former general O'Meara Bashir was ousted in a military coup off two months of protests against his thirty year rule. Here's a snippet of my interview with Russia back in two thousand four during the notorious doff for genocide when he refused international demands to end that slaughter. Some have suggested that outside troops come here to keep the peace unto stop the violence. Would you accept American British troops from other countries? Weird truthfully. Capable of shouldering our responsibility to provide security for the citizens any citizen, and we're not willing to accept any foreign forces. Because honestly foreign forces will only complicate the situation. So no, you would not accept troops. We would not accept foreign forces. In the end, but she was indicted for war crimes by the international criminal court because of FU, but that's it for now. Remember, you can listen to podcasts. Yes. Online at I'm on dot com and follow me on Instagram and Twitter. Thanks for watching. And goodbye from London. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? Download the Marceca podcast. 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AP One Minute Headlines Oct 17 2018 17:00 (EDT)
"Seeking video evidence from Turkey. I'm Jacky Quin with AP news minute. President Trump says the US is asking Turkey for audio and video relating to the disappearance of Saudi journalist, Jamal kashogi if it exists, he called Saudi Arabia, an important ally, but Louisiana Senator John Kennedy says the US has to do something. We can't condemn other despots butchering their own people if we don't condemn Saudi Arabia. But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean the we have to just cut him off like a dead, stop hundreds of tips in Wisconsin, but still no sign of missing thirteen year old girl. Jamie close whose parents were killed, early Monday, sheriff, Chris FitzGerald. We believe Jamie was in the home at the time of the homicides and we believe she is still endanger you charges are lodged against a California doctor, accused of raping five more women Dr grant robot shows. Girlfriend is charged in three of those cases. I'm Jacky Quin.
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Ep. 286 - Mark Salter
"And now from the university of Chicago institute of politics and CNN the axe files with your host, David Axelrod. Folks in politics. It's hard to imagine Senator John McCain without Mark Salter who became his chief of staff his collaborator and co author on seven books, including his last book called the restless wave written in the last months of his life. I sat down with Mark in Washington last week to talk about the man he served so faithfully for so long his friend Senator McCain and the politics of our time as he also is one of the fiercest critics within the Republican party of our sitting President Donald Trump. Mark salter. It's it's good to see you. I haven't seen you personally since Senator McCain passed. So we're going to talk a lot about him. But I just wanted at right at the outset say, I'm sorry for your loss because I know help how close you were. And how much you meant to each other. Thanks, david. I appreciate that. So Davenport, Iowa. From the quad cities right in my neck of the woods. I am by two hours west Chicago. If you're so tell me about tell me about that and grown-up, I you know, when when I was growing up very prosperous in people might tell people I'm from Iowa, I'm from the Iowa side of the quad cities. You know, the the west side of the Mississippi. People think he no I up on a farm or a small town or something. But it's a manufacturing town. There are a lot of farm implement foundries along the river, John Deere's headquartered there, they're big Caterpillar plant Alko has a big plant there, and and you know, up until the eighties. It was a very prosperous thriving happy fun community, I'm Catholic and there were about twelve Catholic parishes. And it was a great place to grow up your. Your mom was a schoolteacher second grade Catholic school and your dad was a salesman for mining company, limestone, mining company Eisold hydrated, lime was venture vice president for hydrated lime sales. What what about politics politics was almost accidental? I never had any particular ambition for it. I grew up in the sixties and seventies in high school in the sixties and seventies and kind of hung out rock and roll was kind of all that interested me, some sports. Didn't didn't go to college? When I graduate didn't have particularly good grades. I was truant a lot of the time and. Got a job working on a railroad how to high school and did that for about four years still. I think we were at derailment and the data winner one night, and we had to fix the track. And it's about twenty below in the winds howl enough the river and everything I thought this got to be a better way to make a living in this. How long did you do that a little over four years? And then I went to. I didn't have any any grades. So I went to the one St. university seemed to liberal about that. Was northern Iowa. She the teachers college. Yeah. They took me and sort of spent two years. Teaching learning how to study and and taking it seriously. And and then I transferred to Georgetown after couple of years. What about writing you're a brilliant writer? Had were you always a good writer? That's my mom. She she she went back to school while she was raising us got her degree and started teaching. But she had she had to keep us amused. Fine. You know, keep show us how to amuse ourselves, which in those days was pretty much opened up the door to the house and said come back for supper, you know, and. To me down the library coming library carbon. I was very untucked me to read before I was in school. And I always had a I was reading bug and I read as much fiction as I read nonfiction. And and I think that's all there really is to be a good writer is the better and deeper and more white widely read the the better, you write you are famously. I think like the man you worked with and collaborated with all those years. You're like, you're a dark romantic. Yeah. And. I wanna know how much of that. How is that? How did that develop in you? I know you William Trevor. Yeah. Was an Irish writer who you love favored who also had that the nation. He did. I mean, he would you know Trevor's? But more than that. I mean Trevor would look at the world is he saw it. And and not pony punches. And he'd tell the stories where where maligned fate or misbehavior on the part of his characters would would lead them to some lesson. Wonderful and and. But there would always be a little revelatory moment at the end of his stories where where he would settle with. Hey, you know, I mean, there's still hope you know. And and McCain definitely had that ability. And I assume it came from his experiences in Vietnam where where he saw as you know, he would describe it. I saw the worst and best people can be in the same experience. I wrote something about him after he passed in the post. Yeah. Where I said he was a romantic cynic, and he saw the world with all its corruption and all its cruelty, but believe Justice was still possible, and that that kind of real realistic sensibility. And that and the guts really, it takes to to have hope when you have that kind of sensibility of very potent combination. I think so what about in you, how did you don't really know where kindred spirit, you know, a lot of concentration camp footage when I was a kid. And you know, I don't know where I got it. But I just thought you know, I mean, I kind of grew up I grew up. Happy kid. Don't get me wrong. I'd loving parents on a loving extended family and big family. I had a great childhood nothing. Terrible ever happened to me. I I wasn't abused by the parish priest or anything, you know. But I've always I don't know what to be honest with David unaware comes. But I know the world can be a pretty fucked up place if you'll pardon my my grammar, it's a podcast. And I admire the people that know that and do something about it. Anyway, you one of the professors who influenced you is was gene Kirk patra who went onto become a very very luminescent figure in the eighties as as the UN ambassador for for Ronald Reagan, tell me about about her, and and the influence she had on you. Well, it was I never took a class with her. She she taught it to Georgetown. But again, my life has been a series of fortunate accidents. So I graduated from college I had an internship at the State Department, and I've thought well, I'll sit for the foreign service exam. I was working in a little research and animal intelligence analytical intelligence office and the State Department and. And all my friends who'd gone to the business school. Enjoy sounded move to New York and went down to Wall Street, and we're making the time was unheard of salaries. Like fifty thousand dollars would have been eighty one I missed him. And all I wanted to do was go to New York and hang out with them. And I had to get a job. And I knew Kirk Patrick had been appointed ambassador and she'd brought half her friends from Georgetown there. So I went and saw the personnel person who was married to Georgetown, professor and today, I went to Georgetown government major, and they gave me a job in the press office in really just did it. So I could hang out with my friends started off clipping newspapers and taping interviews and transcribing them and that kind of stuff in in eventually became sort of a press assistant press officer or something like that. And the press counselor asked me to write a speech for her one day. And and that sort of started me on the road of writing tell me about her and what what? Because people I'm sure most people were listening or many of them don't have a recollection. But as I said, she was she was a a really a singular figures she was. You know, she was very. Intelligent, very learned ferocious fiercely anticommunist, but sort of came out of that democratic labor, and she had lots of friends still in and they were all, you know, a lot of were, you know, after the very schisms. And you know, they they were all anti-soviet s-, you know, but. She was no nonsense. Choose tough. She was hard. She wasn't mean, you know, or anything like that. She wasn't an abusive boss or anything by that by. She was just you know, it was here's your assignment do it correctly. The first time. Did you have a particular partisan leaning when you began this? Yeah, I think I was me and my family was. Mother comes from a long line of Democrats. I mean, she's got ward bosses in Chicago that she called and. Title and. But she sort of embraced after the nineteen sixty presidential elections. The only time my parents, but their vote, and but my mother was an Irish Catholic and nothing would have prevented her from voting for the first Irish Catholic president. And my dad was a Nixon voter, but she she sort of migrated to their side of the family. And I thought I grew up in the sixty seventies. So I can remember when I worked. I had an I think it was seventy summer seventy three or something. I impeach Nixon sticker on my heart. Had only noise somebody else that it was. But I was a political the first election. I voted it was seventy six so did the did the foreign policy policy Reagan and Jeanne Kirkpatrick g you to very much very much. And so she obviously didn't become president. She didn't run, but she gave a speech at the convention the convention, and at that convention, you had another one of those serendipitous. Yeah, events. Sure. Did. Yeah. Talk about that. Well, so I'd written. Her her speech for that convention, which she again, of course, we wrote. But but I company her to it. And after she'd given her speech had set her up with a bunch of the circuit shop. It's Astra do bunch interviews, and we had done all but the last one, and I couldn't find it. We were in the Superdome. It's a big cavernous place. And I just couldn't locate it, so I had a walkie talkie, and I called down to the shaft send somebody up here. We can't find that. She's getting cranky. She's tired. She wants to go home or husbands waiting for. She's not going to do it. If you get somebody out there. So they rushed a volunteer up there. And it happened to be Torie Clarke who at the time was. John McCain's press secretary he was in his first Senate term, and she'd come over from the house with them, we hit it all would be the spokesper. The defense defense department and much other things, but. We hit it off. Let's get a beer after this. And we were walking down bourbon street, and she introduce me to McCain scheduler, Diane McClellan and her then boyfriend, and she said, why don't you come watch? Bush's acceptance speech tomorrow with the Zona delegation Kimmy a floor pass. And so I did I went down there, and I met John McCain for the first time. And we're talking and then she said, why don't you write speech for us? He's getting award from I think the Rosza some Hispanic group. And so I did because I was freelancing to supplement my income at the time, and I wrote a speech speech worked for him and. You know, you offer me a job some months later as the foreign affairs. Let site of assistant, and I took it, and I ended up marrying scheduler and having to kids so but for bud for getting lost in the Superdome. Yeah. My life would have been very different. What? A bears fan. So we've gotten less than the Superdome. Oh what? What what what what what about McCain struck you? When you first met him, the sort of casual. No, heirs know pomposity. The restless energy of EMMY when you went to his office. It's just a just I'd written for I'd been in other senator's offices before you know, and it's it's not quite like an Oval Office meeting, but you're usually on a short clock, and it's very form hall Senator this and walk into his, and there's like ten people milling around and there, including interns, you know, and they all call them by his first and Haymond, he he made fun of all of them constantly, and he'd have TV's going and have two different phone conversations going and be carrying on a conversation with you know, the kid in the mail room all at the same time up. Just just a very casual guy, you know, a little profane in the way spoke, and he just seemed very authentic when you walked in our character that you knew would be memorable, and did, you know right away that you were he was a kind of kindred spirit. I we hit it off right away. I mean right away. So I I probably wrote. Three two or three speeches for him. I think he offered me the job. And chill. I of eighty nine because his foreign his then foreign affairs LA was leaving to go to go. Assistant secretary of state. I think and. And he said, hey conversation with like the crowded office. Hard to even hear yourself thinking it and he said, hey, look Lawrence. Lebron? I'd like you to come here and be my foreign affairs guy and Wrightson speeches for me. Go talk to Chris about the money. And I said, what can you give me a little time to think about it? And he goes. Yeah. Like, okay, how much we need ten minutes? What? And just talked to Chris about the money. And and Chris Chris cook was his AM at the time administrative assistant, which is what what we used to call ourselves in the day instead of chief-of-staff, but. You all to fill that rule. I did. Yeah. And you know, right away, we traveled together. I he I only the only country I'd been to outside the United States Canada. And I was almost thirty five when I began these insane road trips with McCain, which are legend. Really? It's it's amazing. Anyone ever survives them? It's, you know, ten countries in a week or something, you know, just crazy stuff and. And he and eighteen hour days, and he did that right up until he got sick in on. Honestly, I mean one point. Kind of this dark humor. But when he did get sick. He had just done some crazy Asian trip. On Australia, and he was on the sort of reassure our allies trip in. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Trump, and he's already seeing his I knew I shouldn't gone back to Cam bear. That was just too heavy a schedule. I think that's why have cancer. I said, I don't I don't think you get cancer tired. We met. I think I in two thousand and eight. At Tim, russert s-. Yeah. Recede in the same pew. Oh, yeah. Memorial service. What we before we get to touch them about two thousand which was McCain's I. Campaign for president which was a really must've appeal to him. It wasn't insurgent campaign. I think is probably remained to the end his favorite political memory. It certainly is mine. I can't swear to that. It was his. But I I suspect as much it was a primary George W Bush was the sort of. Far far away in the front runner and had all the money and all the party lineup hind him. And we we had to pick up, you know, oddballs, like, Lindsey Graham and not joking. But. I wanna ask you about Lindsay and. You know, we we had we had good people. And he he he wanted to. I mean, it's you may have had this experience in politics you've worked on a lot more campaigns than I have. But when you go in is pronounced underdog, and you're realistic about life, and you realistic about yourself. You know, you think I'm probably going to lose this. It's quite liberate. It is. And you know, you'll worst thing in politics is fear of losing believe me it and that was born out in our experience. But he he had no fair losing. We assumed we would we couldn't compete because so labor and money intensive and and Pat Robertson really is a guy that organized the Republican caucuses very heavily weighted tortilla Ventura wasn't and and Bush was going to have those all locked up and. So we came in second, actually. Yeah. There was one one year that I. Kgo San torn did. And that because of that end and. And. Huckabee huckabee. But. It. We're going to concentrate on two thirds of our time. Maybe three quarters of our time on New Hampshire, which we thought was sort of temperamental fit and for for the candidate. And also a state where independence could right into into the Republican primary receptor to a larger than life personality, who is seems different. From from lots of veteran veterans and about a third of the time on South Carolina and. So he did hundred ten or one hundred and fourteen town halls a record the stance. Until today. And he I mean, he he and he was quite shockingly candid and. Had the reporters in his straight talk express. Yes. Abouts around with all the time. We couldn't do anything you own over add scripts with reporters looking over our shoulders looking at our polling number and Survey Research or talking about some shot, we're going to take it at at at governor Bush, whatever, you know, there always reporters around they knew everything, you know. And then he would he would he would he enjoyed their company and and would blab away in the back of the bus bouncing around for for. The organic nature of that campaign was really beguiling and. And I was watching this a bit or ROY campaign down in Texas. It felt a little bit that reporters in his van, and he's and he's sending out Instagram. It was just to be completely to the extent. I mean, I'm sure there was some discretion involved on the part of the candidate. But he was as much himself as a candidate could possibly ever be under that kind of scrutiny. And by the end, those those town halls have become rallies not that we weren't taking questions or anything, but they're being almost like carnivals festivals in all sorts of crazy eccentric characters which home up on the stage with the boot on his head vermin supreme guy dressed in shark costume and bring them up. What's your question? Yeah. And there'd be you know, we'd gone from. You know, I don't think we had embeds in those days were the actual reporters and. But by the end, we had editors, you know, you know, all over the wanted to everybody wanna see the show. The one by seventeen points in New Hampshire nineteen maybe might have been. But we knew we were going to win the last event of the night before the primary we did a run around the state the morning of the primary, but the last of it was in Bedford town hall, and it was like an. I mean, I'm sure it wasn't that large. But it was like an Obama crowd. We opened up the doors. We came out from that last town hall, and there was humanity. There aren't that many people in New Hampshire to start within this just this massive crowd that covered all the street for as far as we could see and Bill McIntyre, who's John holster all offer all his campaign to turn me and said prediction for tomorrow pain. It's it was something, and I always sort of regret that. We didn't just take a moment to enjoy it. But it wasn't his way. So we with few resources we manage this big New Hampshire win and sort of reset the race. And had that go. How does that go when you've gone from insurgent to now you've won this? And the possibility of winning seems a lot more real has it changed thing. Well, yeah. It does. I'm sure it did. But he tried to stay the same in, South Carolina. He tried really. We went down. So we he will not live in an experience when it's over. He just doesn't do it. Good or bad. I mean, that's how he got past Vietnam. I'm sure or pass the Keating thing he just wants Dan it. So we left Hampshire primary. We were on a plane flew toward a hangar and did a rally with a bunch of kids in somewhere in South Carolina. I can't remember the town. And we got right into it and doing town halls, and but I think they had three weeks. I think there's a three week gap between New Hampshire and in those three weeks were some of the three most brutal weeks. Got up, and we had experienced people in the campaign. You know, Rick Davis, John Weaver, and Mike, Murphy and. But you know, we all joked now, you know, Jurassic Park are here comes the dinosaur mind, as you know, we've woken the sleeping giant. And but I don't think we were quite ready for the extent of not just what we got from from governor Bush's campaign, but what we got from everyone affiliated with their campaign. Really the party, you know. Yeah. Well, and I always joke that there was like a. A train of lobbyists and others from Washington. Just. Yeah. Going south and all the things that have been there. I'm sorry to things that happened there that I wanted to ask you about a one was the confederate flag. Where McCain spoke about this after the fact. Yeah, where he sort of grudgingly accepted. Yeah. The the advice. Consultants. Yeah. And and live to regret it. Yeah. Well, so HBO did this great documentary him? And it's it's actually has seen the other great, great, great, guys and great filmmakers, but. So he was he had done face a nation. I I was there with him. And I think Weaver was there with them. Rick might have been there with them and. Yes, she Adams, of course, about the competitor flag, which was flying over the state capital in South Carolina. He said some something here, you know. I don't know. It's for a lot of people. It's a symbol of oppression or something like that. I can't remember exactly I word it. So our our our South Carolina team, which was essentially Lindsay's in Mark Sanford's political consultants, and they're they've got like field McCoy type Warren consultant camps in South Carolina. That are worse than anything ever happens between candidates, but. Freaked out. How you've gotta give them to walk that back. We're dead. We're dead. We're dead. We're dead. So okay. No. I'm not going to do it. And you got no I'm not going to do it. You know, he had to know. I'm not going to do if you don't do it. You're gonna lose. Well, we're very Missy very mealy mouth for you. And it was it was it was something like, you know, I understand for some people at symbol oppression before others. It's a symbol of heritage. You know, and I think we all work and play well together some stupid anodyne thing like that. Red Cross up. Like, I'm not gonna say gotta say it. You know, you gotta sit so reluctantly he stuffed the wadded up thing in his pocket, and we get we flied on South Carolina, and he gets off the bus and the scrum. Russia's to them, and they're all boom mics or there. And what about the confederate flag? He said about this. I've already said my statement, which he hadn't. I've already said already crumpled up. Do you have a statement center? Yes, it's right here. And he takes it out. Really literally wadded up ball unfolds. Laboriously on camera and reads, like a hostage statement and crops a backup just is his way of letting everybody know, I'm lying. Here's a funny guy that way, you know. Yeah. It struck me that that was. That was kind of a line of demarcation because the charm of the McCain can't utter can his willingness to say anything. Now, there's your want to win. You know, what we might win? Yeah. Yeah. There's a funny story. I tell about the New Hampshire the ninety one. So I want to give them the exits which were Hugh. Here's the second round day. And. And he said what what are they said? They're huge you're gonna clobber, and he goes, oh that has implications. Yeah. Like, you might be president that might be one of them. You know? Okay. Yeah. What about two thousand and eight it was a a much different XP. We started off is presumed front runner, and we build a battleship. And you know, he's a he's a he's a better candidate when he's an underdog. I think and you know. He wa-. He wasn't the world's greatest fundraiser. So we build a battleship. Eventually everyone knows the campaign sort of imploded and we became kind of a war between factions. I have friends and all those camps. And it was unfortunate. But I think all of them try to do good job for them. And but we just didn't have the receipts to cover the expenses and that upset and very much and. A Ben uncomfortable the whole time and part of this comfort market seems to me. He was your you you as much as anyone crafted this maverick. Image which I think he felt comfortable with. But when you're the front runner, I mean, he had he had opposed the the second Bush tax because he said it's responsible as the war. He had been very tough during his previous campaign on the some of the Falwell and some evangelical leaders had to go to you went to liberty college to make amends. Yeah. How much we're the compromises that. He had to make as a front runner difficult for him. I don't think the liberty college one. He wouldn't have used that as a compromise. Yeah. He criticized him and Falwell came to see him and said, hey, that was really Robertson. It was going after it wasn't. And he said, would you just come down and talk to the students or give the commencement the students because sure, and we gave a speech about tolerance. Everybody remembers him going. But no, nobody listen to the speech, but he gave a speech about tolerance. And but there were. Yes. Manifold compromises you make when when you're the front running you think you might actually be president. That you probably don't make when you're your own underdog campaign. The odds are stacked against you. There's no doubt about it. And and and you know, he would have to bite his tongue or or or I don't think he owned major issues that he cast votes that could compromise his principles, and we fought for, you know, immigration reform, and we were getting he's getting the hell kicked out him by not not just Tom tancredo. And that's like that that were running. But from the round the campaign they were pouring all their advertising on. This was was going after him I immigration bills with Ted Kennedy. And and and soon to be President Obama at one time. And stay true to torture debate that all those things and he would have. But it was just a style. You know, he he said when we when he was mullet over to the two thousand six. Elections. And you know, we probably got the hell out of us. He he's he turned to me, and Rick and and Weaver into I don't know we get lightning bottle twice. And I think he had genuine reservations he was uncertain about doing it again. But he's also a fierce competitor in what he's in it. He's you know, he's gonna fight this hardy to can to win. And. Oddly enough campaign imploded and we lost two thirds of the staff, and we were written off and Charlie cook says something like he's a corpse just waiting for the doctors for not delay. And and because of the because I did vice that I mean, we were shrinking the campaign to meet, and and we knew we were going to be now running an underdog. Which weirdly is where where? Where where pleased him in a weird way. But there was all these all these friendships were sundered over that experience with tough tough on everybody. Tough on him tough on them tough on me tough on tough on. We were tough on everybody. Because we were left. Yeah. Yep. Weaver laughed and. And so I said something like damn maybe you're right sitting down with him the day that happened tonight sort of encourage them to take us lower decision. And he had said no I want to get this done now. And. We're not running the kind of campaign. I want to run and. So. I said something like well. Maybe maybe maybe I should take hiatus. Maybe I should get off the campaign. And and so he had this is a. Always a let me tell you. What's going to happen tomorrow? All right. I've got I'm supposed to give a speech in concord New Hampshire on Iraq. Very unpopular war that I'm defending. We got to go up there. And every reporter, you know, is going to be there seeing if I actually literally clutch my chest and drop dead of a heart attack. You know? And then I'm going to get I'm going to go there with no staff, I think his son Jimmy was the only person traveling with amused about Jimmy. He was about to deploy to Iraq. And. And then. And then I'm going to fight this fight everything. I can to win. I'm going to get my ass kicked. I'm going to be humiliated for the next few weeks. And at the end, I'm gonna get my ass kicked. But I'm going to give up and give it everything. I got why you such a whim, and so I went with them on the trip in Jimmy and. You know, and he was he was going from one little tiny event to another defending the surge. Almost exclusively. Fighting for what he believed the right course for the country. And and, you know, little by little by little by little he started getting crowds back again. And till he was in a competitive position in the fall and. And one funny by a lot less than one. The last time when we were talking with Senator Obama about the potentially running for president his thing was I think I could win the nomination. I don't know if I can be John McCain because this is a change election. And I saw what he did in two thousand but he couldn't be the change candidate in two thousand. He was. It was impossible for any Republican nominee. To do that. So let's how about the convention. Yeah. Two thousand eight and the selection of Sarah Palin. I've had some communication this. I had a Steve Schmidt who's a friend of both of ours on here recently, and he gave his account of what happened. And. Entity. He said he was he was for Lieberman. And that it was in that didn't seem possible. It came down to Poletti. Right. Romney, and then the the Sarah Palin idea surface, but his account in your recollection. I think are somewhat different about how the whole Carolina commonality to its correct. I think we're all comfortable with or wanted. Joe lieberman. But it was made clear to us that there'd be a challenge. You know, we might win it, you know, but we'd be leaving Minneapolis with. Divided party. And you know, you can't do that. It was the environment was terrible force would have been on precedent to have this. Fusion ticket of Republican. We would have gone some piece of the change message. Maybe not as great chunks if you guys head. It was, you know, the president President Bush good man that he is wasn't popular at the time and the wrong track number was about as bad as I think I've ever seen it and. You know, the war was very unpopular. You had a young guy an African American. You know, kids an old white guy who oppose the war would oppose the woman. You know, you you, you you own change and. So we know we thought well that was one. And then when we persuaded him he was quite upset about it. He argued and it took some doing, you know, but he was to do picking the Lieberman to convince him that he couldn't have him. And and then he just sort of his was upset about distracted from the decision. We were weak or something out ten days out from the convention. We didn't have vice president. Romney was among the finalists. Plenty was among the finalists. And I think Steve had business in Alaska McKinnon met pale, and I think that's summer earlier, that's to our dinner or something, but didn't really know her. And I didn't know where Rick didn't or I don't think but the. Steve newer. But he knew what she was. And and we the choice wasn't may because she was a very conservative or a populist or something she was shipped peeled the him and appeal to us as a reformer she'd taken on the Republican establishment she'd taken on the oil companies. And you know. And as we discovered later, I mean, I think we'd seen her give a speech and do a good job or something. But we had no idea. She she does. She's quite talented at that. And at the retail and politics, I've never seen anybody work. A rope line like her it's it's takes forever. She she she has a word with everyone on it. But it's really. For those things. I know they're all anecdotal. But those things can you know? Matter. So the plan was. To bring her to flagstaff. I. Stephen, I she had there'd been a public document vet. And I think it would give an AB Culvahouse and his lawyers about a week. Washington lawyer who headed up your betting, I think he's going to. I think it was just nominated to be ambassador to Australia. Good guy and. Capable guy did a did a good job vetting as he couldn't a week's time. But she comes to flagstaff, we meet and some condo and flags half. On a golf course. And we go all night with her Stephen I and on the phone with AB and his lawyers. And I don't think she kept anything from it. She may have downplayed of a couple of things, but it wasn't. I don't think she kept anything from us. We pretty much knew what we had. We asked her Stephen I walk through a lot of issues with her and and try to impress upon her. You know, where should it be offered this? She has to go into is open that nothing in her life is prepared her for nothing nothing for this kind of scrutiny. So you gotta tell us everything everything that might be a problem. Even if you don't think it's a big deal. You know? And that we literally went through till the morning, and and then Stephen I left to go to the McCain's ranch, and she followed on our later, and what was your impression when you've done with it. Well, she was quite forthright about. That she was a remarkably confident woman, very personable. Had a lot of spirit. Could handle ourself on on most issues I thought but had a big black hole and foreign policy? And and she said it you're going to have to to to me if if I were to be if you pick me because I don't know that much about it. She was quite honest about it. And we did we put ways guys on earth. Stieg. It was kind of the lead guy did a great job trying to get her up to speed on stuff. But that you know, you know. You know, that was worry that was worrying and. But it was known to all of us. It wasn't. I think the thing that you may have objected to was it Steve set in my conversation with them that he hadn't had a chance to sit down. Now, we spent that night with her now, obviously like to spend more than a night with her. But we were up against it was decision time. And did you see enough that give you pause? Well enough to. Yes. Yes advised. Maybe this is how it went after about ninety minutes with her, and then he sort of caucus with Stephen I and said, okay go, and so I made a case for plenty. And Steve made the case for her. And and and his case was essentially, we can you know? No it was somewhat convincing to me. You know, we can teach her what she doesn't know. You know? In her her instincts will be fine. She's she can handle herself. She's conversant enough on on all other issues and show. You know, be a lively it'd be a big, you know, be a move. Said we can do everything. Right. But we've just got this and the debates to get a piece of the change message. This picking the Bates. That's all you've got if we don't get a piece of it. You're going to lose no matter we can run a perfect campaign. You're going to lose and. And so that was essentially the deal, you know, and he offered her thing, and and I'll be perfectly I had my reservations, I got on a plane with her and Steve and we flew to a little town outside Dayton where we brought in Matt Scully one of the great speechwriters in the Republican party. And he wrote a great speech for which she was very involved in drafting. And when we rolled her out the next day the day after your convention it ended she hit every note perfectly and then went on to a fantastic job at the convention and. A lot of my worries were allayed. Waged by by that and. I thought well, maybe you can do it. You know, she was you know, and I thought she did a fine job in the debate. It was a stressful. I mean, you know, what those are like anybody are asked me, what's your least favorite part of a campaign debates in debate prep, actually being the the worst. But because you know, you make one mistake in in a debate. And that that's curtains. Yes, that's really for the VP candidate the the thing because it's it, but. You know, when I have to tell you, and I may have said this to Steve when when when I told Obama that McCain had chosen Sarah Palin. He was like. You know, she may be the greatest politicians Reagan, but give it a month. And we'll know this is really hard this national. It is it is. And and a month later, she did that Katie Couric interview. And that was yes, you had a hard time answering questions, and that's on us. I mean, it's not on her. And that's that was John's view her always was she didn't force away on the ticket cheated everything, I asked her to do, you know and try to code and we'd never had never had a harsh word to say about her privately or publicly both you guys though, Mark. And to this day of had harsh words for the President Trump. Yep. And. You know, I said to Steve, and I believe this. I looked at some of the crowds at the Palin rallies in the crowd. You guys confronted up in in in Minnesota. Yeah. Mccain admirably. Stood up in very McCain leg moment in review a woman who questioned Obama's citizenship. Do you not see a line between Palin ISM? And Trump is I'm no I mean, I don't nothing that. I mean that was going on before we had her. Understood. Into something. But it was out there. It was always out there. So we didn't event. I know she had I think it was post convention in Albuquerque where a McCain event not one with her and it was. For the first time we were standing in the back. We kind of heard some stuff because you don't really hear it when you're up on the state, and we heard some of the stuff we knew that was a live. But all along, you know, like we had this guy. That was introducing him. Mccain wasn't even there yet emphasizing President Obama's middle name over and over again, you know, McCain rebuke that so but we'd been encountering. It's always out there. Unfortunately in American, politics and. And McCain was always prepared to address it the talk radio, dude and Cincinnati wherever it was hitting on Hussein over. Again, we told McCain when Anthony goes around the stage and rebukes the guy, and so it was out there. And she she's not she didn't. She didn't have the experience. I don't think are the. Chops. I. We put an inexperienced candidate our mistake. We did we did it with good intentions. We didn't do it with Malev detentions. We weren't trying to incite anything, or we just, you know, we thought here's a woman with a lot of moxie who's, you know, governor of you know, rural state big one. But and took on a lot of rough customers to to to do what she thinks is right? That's that was our theory the case with her and the way we've Buta in the beginning. And and the fact that she didn't know how to handle crowd that got. Yeah. It's not really on her again, it's on us and. So. Yes. I mean, she may be may have tapped into something that Trump tapped into or something. But it was there waiting in. Oh, and and you can tap into things inadvertently in which I think that was that was actually thinks she is an authentic Tribune of the voter who Trump has acted. Yes. She is and. But yeah, I. I think. Let me put it this way. If Sarah Palin had never left Silla. All this Trump stuff. What happened anyway? Let me ask you about Trump. And and McCain what was his reaction when Trump said what he said during the campaign about I don't consider him a hero. I think heroes. Don't get capture. You know? You know, very typical for him. I I was worked up I must. I I have to imagine. And I call him up and that fucker pieces yet and. Just calm down calm because he's an idiot. He's just an here. No anything. He's an idiot. Why should why should that guy bother me? What you're saying all weekend long, people are gonna talk about what a war here. I am. So what you know? And it didn't really didn't get to. He did make a comment publicly. Like, I know a lot of guys lot braver than me that suffered a lot in prison that Trump no better than the say something like that. But it didn't bother him personally didn't hurt his feelings or anything like that. What what was? But this guy who he called idiot, then became president. It had to he process. Well, you must have allowed alone conversation. Yeah. Especially in the last year. Yeah. Because I. You wrote the euro you've written seven books. John McCain all of them. I say this behind your back brilliantly written things, and and you wrote a final book. Yeah. And that had a fair bit of Trump in it. You know? I think Trump ISM. He wanted to avoid if he could personal. Animosity with Trump. Although that couldn't be avoided at times. But he wanted to take on Trumpism. No, nothing ISM is how viewed it ignorant dishonest Antea Stoorikhel. You know? Botha lack of Hume. Decency, and a lack of practical sense. And Trump is just just sort of a luge in a world. That's an allusion. So he wanted to take that on. And he and he did at times Trump would say things it would offend him. So deeply he couldn't he couldn't avoid. Making it sort of personal in his criticism. Trump Trump is obviously a chronically offensive, man. But I think you know for me and I soon for him to. It's the utter lack of decency and constant total complete dishonesty about everything small and large every day. That and what that does to this country and the people that don't. You know, there's some people just cynical about it. We'll just we'll get tax cuts or we'll get whatever we'll put up with this idiot. And you know, then they'll be gone, and we can go back to normal. And but then there are a lot of Americans who was talking to friend whose grandmothers kind hearted Perry overly inter eighties. You know, sits at home watching FOX all day and president's on FOX and this stuff. Of course, it's true. It's going to be true. The he's the president of the United States. And he's saying that we're being invaded by an army of gang members terrorists and lepers. You know, you know, it's just a disparate group desperate group of women and children fleeing violence, and poverty, you know. But they don't know. They don't know that you know, and there are millions and millions of people that are convinced. He's not breaking norms. He's trying to save them. And. I think John found that offensive as I find it is wrong is worrying, and is do you think it helped or hurt him in the midterm elections? You know, the invocation of this character in this. I think. Trump the party will eventually feel it. I mean, I sort of made this club vote for Democrats statement. Because important the important thing is to rebuke, this guy resist him and. I think the party will wake up eventually, he's he's death. He's poison he's he's a terminal cancer. And this Trump ISM. It's the way to extinction eventually just demographics in time at work working against us. You know, there's this terrible. And I don't know how Democrats make inroads in it. But but this sort of it was rural versus urban, and we fought over the suburbs. What's going to happen? It's going to be suburban and urban versus rural. Well, that's what happens certainly in this. That's what happened in this election. So everybody gets two senators you can have ten people live in the state. So you you might be competitive, you know. And a few of those. But you're gonna lose everything else. You know, everybody's moving toward jobs are and and the racial demographics in this country changing rapidly, and we're going to be a majority minority country and. He's going to kill us. It's not going to be forgotten. I don't know that. I can forget it. I don't know that I'll ever feel comfortable being a Republican again after this. I'm not a democrat, and I can see problems in your party that are, you know, tending to go off in a direction that would worrying to me. But, but I don't I don't know if I ever feel comfortable in a party, the let this happen that didn't. And I'm not saying you have to vote against tax cuts or vote against judges. I always I'm kind of offended when somebody good and decent guy like Jeff flake who stands up every day and rebukes this president. Well, why why why did you offers? And I always put this this. I'll ask him. What if guy Eddie somehow manages to get elected president as a democrat? Okay. After two thousand sixteen stranger things have happened is never been a true or cliche. Okay. So I haven't Eddie does. And he's everything Trump is in bad ways. But he manages to get single payer onto the floor in congress devote against it because he's offensive or ruining the country. No, I don't think you do. And I don't think flake should be held to that standard. Either. What I would like to see from Republicans stand up and say, no, I would like to see protect Muller investigation pass more sanctions over his objection to even have to read his veto, those sort of -firmative things, I think Republicans ought to be doing. But I don't think they have to vote against conservative jurists or tax cuts. They if they think they're so explain Lindsey Graham to me because a lot of people think of him or thought of him as sort of it was like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance. A couple of Mavericks willing to he he is because his emerged as one of the president's strong as to phase you just trying to get himself reluctant, South Carolina. What's going on? I mean, every every politician wants if on the. On the pin persuaded. It's time to retire wants to get reelected. But I think you know, I I haven't talked about it or anything. I'm very fond of him as John was obviously very fond, and he was very close to him. And. I magic he thinks he's he can stop ten percent or twenty percent of the crazy stuff. You know that he can protect certain things that matter I know he'd lobbies very hard with Trump on immigration on deck and stuff. I know he rebuked Trump to his face on the shithole comment. He was the guy that was there. And strongly remi- straighted with him. And I think he thinks well, I can I can I can make things a little bit better would be my guess, I'm just guessing it as motivation, you you you worked very hard with Senator McCain in planning, his the the aftermath of his death, which I described as a kind of civic communion. Yeah. Tell me how you talked about that. And what you guys hope to accomplish by. It started right away. Yeah. Really shortly after his diagnosis. The first thing on his mind was to get back to Washington and give that regular order speech. I mean, he called me. And he told me what the diagnosis was. So I had the operation. And how'd you feel by the way when you? I didn't even I it. It was weird because he he almost mumbled it. I said he said, hey, look, call was action oriented he called me up and said, I wanna I wanna go back. I'm going to fly back to wash the doctors are going to clear me they haven't agreed yet. But they're gonna agree. They're going to let me fly back to Washington. And I wanna give speech. I'm ramming the skinny repeal thing or whatever it was at the ACA. Right. And I wanna I wanna talk about how you know stuff. Like this. We have to do together. And let's let's talk about what should be in that speech. I said. Have you gotten the results back yet? Yeah. Yeah. Not good. Defined not good. I had worried it was melanoma again because he'd had it before. But they've made a lot of advances obviously, especially with immunotherapy on melanoma. It wasn't curtains. And he said that I don't know. It's just about any. I think he said glass Doma, but I didn't know what it meant or I hadn't heard it. So I hung up. What's he talking about? Come on out here. That's okay. And and then recall me, David. He said Cindy just called me, and we laid John's conversation with you. It's it's bad. It's really bad. And you know, I'm mealy, Google Kennedy and. But you know, he's like everything else. He's he addresses it with activity, so I flew out there, and he was joking around. And you know, he had to fight with a doctor's got an airplane with a hole in his head. And. We sorta wrote the speech on the airplane together. And. And then not long after that. Like you went back to after you know, because we recessed for August. I guess it would have been September. Later on August. He came back, and I was sitting in his office, and he then once start planning what to do this papers and his funeral. And that was usually Rick. It would be Cindy wreck Davis me and Carlo Woody. But one point it was just me. And he was talking about his funeral. Like, what didn't like I'd like he had this notion that one would I do a service for Amazon a- and one for Washington by Washington, he meant the country, but he also meant the Senate, and the congress, and and you know, the federal government the elected parts of the federal government and. And one for me, which would have been Annapolis. And I remember you said something I can't even I wish I could. But. Would've put it in the book. But. He said something that we were. He's always joking. So you're always kind of beat around him. No matter what. But it got something to me. And I got a little not not we really weep hear anything. I got my voice voice. Throw cut thick and put his hand up. We're going to man up you and me. And he stayed that way. And and once he thought we had is funeral well in hand in like, he gave me like, you know, I'll trust you with music here. A couple of things I'd like and trust you with the scripture stuff, and you know, Carla was the unsung hero of it. Although she did most of the work. But. I think we gave them he wanted to. Then then it was that same meeting when he said, I said, well who you thinking about speaking for you. And he said, well, I thought I'd ask Obama and Bush said, okay. And I think I called you. Yeah. It was viewed as a rebuke of Trump is them. Yeah. Was it meant to be. Now, it was it was to emphasize over and over again that we live in the greatest country on earth that America is indispensably important to humanity and always should be and that we have common problems and common responsibilities to solve them. That's what it was meant to be these two guys defeated me for my highest ambition. I had in a professional. I'm Bishen in yet. We have more that unites is infinitely more that unites divides us, and we we tried to make this country better in the same. But the president of the United States the current president wasn't invited. No. No because. His view of politics. I don't know that he has a a. He doesn't have a governing philosophy. I don't think he has a political philosophy. I don't think he has any philosophy. I think he just has a selfish, greedy acquisitive. Approach to all all all the the entire world. But he sort of represents the antithesis that that philosophy that John had. And you know, he's just not he he wanted it. He wanted known. He McCain McCain. That was a decision that he made I guess you could say it's a rebuke. But it was really met say I'm not for any of that stuff. I stand opposed to it. Nice posted Trump is that it's wrong for this country. It's it's not the first time Trumpism has been around before. No, nothing, isn't whatever you wanna call. It 'isolation is around in the twenties and thirties and protectionism has been around a lot episodically throughout the history of the country. Now, these things are new, you know? We stood against him before will stand against him this time. And that's that's what he's dressed you personality. I think he looked at Trump with sort of. Idle curiosity, maybe but not not any a- not any raw or anything. You you. You probably heard Steve say felt humiliated saddened that he wasn't invited that we were in. Whole while us, and we're not in. Why weren't they? I don't I don't know. That was not my decision or my pay grade. I'm sorry that any and I'm always sorry to see friendships rector ruined by politics or shared experiences. I wish our wise. And finally, but it wasn't it wasn't. There was the people. I think that they attribute the blame to either. It was just a decision made above all our pay grades. What about you, Mark? What would you so identified with John McCain? I mean, it was you know, you were is sort of alter ego. Yeah. In many ways for decades. So what what do you? What do you see for yourself? Now, I live about half the year in Maine. So I see myself living in Maine. We just bought a new house up there. So we can be there in the winter of if we choose to be I'm not sure we'll choose to be. But. I'm going to write another book, I'm going to write a book about John too. It's something I've done every other year for a long time, and I'll just signed a contract with Simon and Schuster to do one. I'll do that. Now, I've got a lot of clients I communications work for and writing for and do you make it a little, but it must be a hole in your. Yeah. Sure. But you know, it's weird. I've been busy since he passed away. And we're very busy turn that whole sort of week ten days. Services. I was telling a friend the other day, you know, it really hits me discreet moments in. But I haven't really acknowledged internally. He's not here. So they're still the sort of sense. Like, he's his presence still like. Real to me. I you know, there have been a couple of things. When the the whole caravan thing, I was thought a hundred hundred she was here. I wish we write the hell out of this. You know, and. But. He's not. And you know, if you were involved in McCain institute, we just launched a new initiative, which run human rights, human rights and. That's just do the kind of work. He would have done, you know, and try to you know, Ed a lot of to make one collective way. So that stands out for the things he believed in you know, you kind of keep his. His presence alive. Well, your words will keep his presence alive. Thanks in. I remember telling you, then I knew that you were passionate about John McCain is I was about Barack Obama really respected. Hey, told me that. And I respect it. Now. Feeling. Thank you for listening to the X files part of the CNN podcast network. For more episodes of the axe styles. Visit X-Files podcast dot com. And subscribe on apple podcasts, Stitcher or your favorite podcast app from our programming from the university of Chicago institute of politics. Is it politics dot EU, Chicago dot EDU.
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"Support for this podcast and the following message come from the almond board of California, researching new uses for almond halls and shells like strengthening recycled plastics, creating fuel brewing, beer, and more more about the almond communities zero waste goal at almondsustainability dot org. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm korva Coleman. President Trump is on his way to Colorado to give the commencement speech at the US air force academy before he left the White House. He spoke very angrily to reporters about special counsel, Robert Muller's statement yesterday on the investigation into Russian election interference Trump insists he didn't have the help of the Russians in winning twenty sixteen election. Help me get elected, you know, who got me elected, you know, who got elected. I got elected Russia didn't help me at all Russia. If anything, I think help the other side, Trump also says he's going to make a major statement about the southern border this week. The state of Oklahoma's opioid case against pharmaceutical maker Johnson and Johnson continues, a leading expert on pain has testified that the company understated opiate abuse risk to doctors from member station. K G, O, U, Jackie forty-eight reports recognized as a key opinion leader, Dr Russell portnoy's said in a taped testimony that big pharma overstated the benefits of chronic opioid therapy and understated the risk of abuse, addiction and overdose. The state says those misleading sales tactics created a public nuisance that puts the defendant, in opioid producer on the hook for social costs tied to the pedantic Portnoy is a medical school professor who studied pain for more than thirty years. At one time he was. Paid by Johnson and Johnson and other drug companies to promote opioids but is now agreed to testify against the industry. Johnson and Johnson. Vehemently denies the claims for NPR news. I'm Jacky forte in Norman. Oklahoma state lawmakers in Louisiana have passed legislation that criminalizes nearly all abortions. There is an exception for a woman who's life is endangered. There is no exception for a woman who is impregnated, because she was raped or was the victim of incest, Louisiana. Democratic Senator John Malkovich cosponsored the Bill. I really believe this legislation will get because I believe it is the will people and the people's voices will be hurt, Louisiana democratic governor John Bel Edwards has promised to sign the legislation Planned Parenthood is going to court today in Missouri seeking a restraining order against state. Officials Planned Parenthood wants to make sure it's clinic in Saint Louis can continue to provide abortions Missouri has. Declined to renew the clinics license if it shuts down on Friday night, Missouri will become the first US state that doesn't have a clinic, providing abortions since nineteen seventy four rescue teams in Budapest. Hungary are searching, the Danube river for victims after a sightseeing boat capsized today police say collided with a larger ship and sank immediately. Seven people are known to be dead. Many more tourists are missing. The Danube river is high because of heavy rain. You're listening to NPR. The national trust for historic preservation has announced eleven new sites to its list of America's most endangered historic places the trust lists buildings or cultural sites that are at risk of being badly damaged or destroyed by nature or humans NPR's, Karen Grigsby Bates reports this year, the newly named sites include Nashville's music row and the National Mall. Tidal basin also included for two recos, hacienda, Las Toda's, and ancestry places of southeast Utah, which contains native American artifacts that are thousands of years old. The list also includes a few sites important to African American history, such as the Excelsior club, a social club in Charlotte, North Carolina, which was featured in the green book travel guide and the tenth street historic district in Dallas, one of the remaining towns established by formerly enslaved people more than three hundred places have been added to the national trust list in thirty two years. The list has been kept Karen Grigsby Bates, NPR news. New trade agreement is starting to take affect in Africa. Nearly two dozen nations of promised to drop tariffs on ninety percent of goods. The Wall Street Journal reports, US military officials worked to keep a navy vessel that bears the name of late Republican, Senator John McCain out of sight of President Trump when he visited Japan last weekend. The paper reports the White House wanted the USS John s McCain moved from its station in Japan. President Trump tweeted yesterday that he was not informed of anything related to the US as McCain during his recent visit to Japan Trump has long lashed out at the Republican Senator who died last year. It's NPR.
Rest in Peace, RBG
"HIVER one I'm CNN senior political reporter Nia Malika Henderson in for David Chalian in this is the CNN political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics, for Wednesday September twenty third or I P R B cheap memorial services for Reuss Baiter Games burn begin, plus the country reaches a grim milestone in Joe. Biden nabs another GOP endorsement. Ruth Baiter Ginsberg's flag draped casket was greeted on the steps of the Supreme Court by her fellow justices and former law clerks in a somber and moving seen as three days of official remembrance begins for the late justice in his remarks chief justice. John Roberts described her as the daughter of immigrants who face discrimination because she was a woman in eventually became a Rockstar on the nation's highest court win. She spoke people listened Roberts said RPG will lie in repose outside the Court. So the public. Can pay their respects over the next day and on Friday will lie in state at the Capitol. In that is an honor that no other woman has ever gotten rby breaking barriers to the very end. She'll be buried next week at Arlington National Cemetery even as the nation prepares to bury Ruth Bader GINSBURG politics not far behind we've got some new polling on this nearly six in ten Americans say that the president who is elected in November should be the one to fill ginsberg's they can seat. So, here's what else matters. Today two, hundred, thousand Americans did that the terrible grim horrific milestone that the country has now reached two hundred, thousand Americans who won't ever be coming home whose families won't ever get to see them again two hundred thousand did but even as devastating death toll is reached president trump still chooses to minimize pandemic and pretended no longer exist. American people while I think it's a shame I. Think if we didn't do it properly and do it right you'd have two and a half million asks if you take a look at alternatives, you could have two and a half million. Well, it quite clearly exists for millions and millions of Americans. No matter how many massive outdoor rallies this president chooses to hold two hundred thousand Americans now did and likely many many thousands more. In finally today. Cindy McCain. The wife of the late Senator John McCain and former Republican nominee for president endorses. Joe. Biden. I'm here because I believe in what's right for this country I believe that what we need to do is stand up and we should show a little bit of courage and step across the line and vote for Joe. Biden. So this is not exactly a surprise that Cindy McCain is coming out to support Joe Biden given the terrible history between president trump in her husband president trump of course, referring to John. McCain at one point as a loser said that John McCain wasn't a hero because he was a prisoner of war but. Cindy McCain adding to a fairly long list of Republicans who are coming out to endorse. Joe Biden leaving their party behind at least in this instance and choosing to back a Democrat this of course is part of Joe, Biden strategy at something he needs to do if he's going to win in November and that is to get Republicans to abandon their party and to support him in November. We'll see if more and Republicans prominent Republicans who are as prominent as somebody like Cindy, McCain come out and back him in the coming weeks. That's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to Y'all tomorrow.
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"Trump claims victory in the Russian vestich in I'm Tim Maguire within AP news minute. President Trump tells a crowd of supporters in Grand Rapids, Michigan that the Muller investigation was the work of a conspiracy. This was nothing more than a sinister effort to undermine our historic election victory. Add to sabotage the will of the American people trip also claims complete vindication, although attorney general William bar in a summary of Muller's three hundred page report wrote while this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime it also does not exonerate him. President also made an oblique reference to the center late Senator John McCain as he talked about another attempt overturned the Affordable Care Act. We have a chance of killing ObamaCare. We almost did it, but somebody unfortunately surprised us with thumbs out. But we'll do it a different one trip also declared as he did earlier this week that the Republican party will be the party of healthcare. I'm Tim Maguire.
Mike Church Show-The Democrats Project Their Evil Onto ACB-PROOF Of Their Deals With The Devil
"It is known that Amy Conybeare it was on social media matters. She shut it all off. Once you got on the federal. Bench. Probably be smart that she did that. But she was on. Social Media. Now there is a way. MS O'CONNELL. Can Tell you all about there's because he can be done. There is a way to completely leave. Pride Book. And delete everything you ever did there there is a way to do it. It's a long process. Suspended or we'll put it on pause. Deactivate end. Delete. So that wouldn't matter though because the way back machines. That are out there depending on what deactivated, which still have copies everything that you've done. In there yesterday Senator Tillis of North. Carolina and one of his lines of discussion with judge. Barrett said that if If you have children and they're on social media, tell them to get off. A talented turn it off just unsubscribe yourself. Saying that it was like roadkill. Yeah. That's right. It was like roadkill don't pick it up and don't eat it. Didn't wish you hadn't. Even worse. You look at it and you wish you had by by. The trump campaign had a rally last night somewhere in Johnstown Pennsylvania. I want to say at an airport and there were tens of thousands of people whether thousands of people that were in the airport rally and there were tens of thousands outside that couldn't get in creepy slip sleepy sniffy Joe. Biden. Also had a rally yesterday you know showed up. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her family basically Qingqi's family. No one else just Wasserman Schultz about ten people who were socially distance fifteen feet from the from the Biden Stage Twelve fifteen feet apart left to right. I'm not making this up by and walks into the room, and this is I'm in. This is not figuratively speaking. Biden walks into the room and this is the applause that he gets. The Golf Clap. Buying just got a par Biden. then. He gets up starts haranguing about this in that and the The other back to hear Hito. While her own and and this is from Jordan Davidson and the federalist DOT COM, which is doing great reporting on this. Crusade channel is covering audio version of. The, County Barrett confirmation hearing, and you can hear the whole thing we went almost gavel-to-gavel yesterday. And it will do so with what whatever it is that they have left on the docket today when here when here he does questioning seemed to be out of place. The necessary Barron acknowledged a while rather earlier in the here and the she knew the judicial confirmation process would be excruciating I. Don't think it's any secret any of you order the American people that this is a really difficult some some might say excruciating process. That that Berthold Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Lindsey Graham and Jesse, and I had a very brief amount of time to make a decision with momentous consequences for our family. We knew that our lives would become too over for any negative detail. We knew there are face will be a character and we knew that our family would be attacked. Here on President questions come to two years after Justice Brek Avenue. So now every nominee gets treated like cavanaugh a judge cavenaugh. I'm senator hair. Perhaps, you heard him out. They call me Spartacus. People elected me as Corey Booker. I'm the one asking the questions up here Judge Barrett you will answer yes or no answers please. People. Are. Jersey. Are Demanding I. do this Snob may okay stem how many people live in New Jersey and demanded that Cory Booker X. Amy conybeare whether or not? She was a white supremacist. You live in New Jersey the juice in cory booker a letter, and did you ask Cam to ask her whether or not? She was or what he really meant was when? Judge Barrett. Please be honest. When did you stop being a white supremacist? Mike, Church show here on Crusade Channel always on air. ONLINE CRUSADE CHANNEL DOT COM. We're GONNA. Try to gather some more digital media files for you today including the embarrassing. The scandalizing. The obnoxious. Questioning that came. From Senator Amy Klobuchar Kobe. Char. I'm listening to this and just screaming. At the Crusade Channel Radio. Screaming it. But I got another one before you A. To close from Senator John Kennedy, who went after? Kamala Kerala. Kerala to Harris. and. Kennedy's the question is will judge I just want to ask you set. You just got accused of being a liar. is you or are you ever habit a liar? And at that point in time Judge Answers, the the questions. Couple good interogations. I thought Senator Ben Sassa. Of Nebraska. Did. A phenomenal job we're trying to find it. What happen is is that SAS was so good. That it's not been separated out or cold. So. Right wingers have called out. Here he does and some of Diane Fine bangs another's but we're still looking for Senator Ben Sasse as because his line of interrogation in her answers to the questions were like what maybe a confirmation hearing should be like let me ask you a question about the constitution judge could I ask you some legal questions and can you provide me with definitions? Like he asked her what standing is, what would it mean? Before we get to that. Oh Let's do number five digital media found number five. This is Senator John. Kennedy. Of Louisiana. Doing the by your State Proud Vita by. Since we embarked on our road trip last Tuesday. So we did Wednesday Thursday, Friday live shows. All Day Friday all day Saturday. Live from the Saint Benedict's conference. Brought it to you. And then on our way back here all day Monday and all day yesterday. The crusade channel was live with the coverage of the. Confirmation. 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So for those of you that may not know about the contribution process without contributions because we don't have enough paint subscribers none of that's possible. It's simply isn't the gas that it costs drives in New Hampshire and backs not possible. because. We basically volunteer to cover that event so that you get to know the brothers and sisters that Saint Benedict Center and all the great speakers that were there. So I'm going to ask you today step game up if you're able to, you can contribute to box. As quick that little dollar symbol on the bottom right hand corner of the dialog box at Crusader channel Dot com forward, slash chat and contribute any amount that you are able to. All right had said that thank you in advance digital media found number five Senator John Kennedy yesterday trying to. Inject some sanity into this confirmation hearing demonic. Demon fast twenty twenty. Finish this housekeeping because I want to talk about them all. I'm going to give you a chance to respond to something. Some butthead professor at Boston University Says that because and husband have two. Children of color. That you're a why Communist. The implication is that you're a racist. And that you use your two children as props. You use your children's props. Senator Kennedy it was the risk of people saying things like that which would be so hurtful to my family that when I told Senator Graham this morning that my husband and I had to really weigh the cost of this. It was saying deeply offensive and hurtful things things that are not only hurtful to me hurtful to my children who are my children who we love on who we bright brought home and made part of our family and accusations like that are cruel. Are Almost Cryan here by the buyers she is low and you go. I didn't want to ask that question when kids. I'm sorry. Go through that. He waited he waited until the children weren't there dress that unlike some other. On the Butt heads, but a digital media found number six. So this is, would you like to respond to Senator? L. To. Harris. Who basically just called you a liar and said you'll spend the rest of your life being and I I mean folks. I'm thinking catfight here but in any event, here's a clip. It says you'll administer the law in an impartial manner. Without regard to your personal feelings doesn't it? Yes. It does senator. It says you will support and defend the constitution doesn't. Pretty serious open it is. Are you going to take that oath on affirmat- If you're confirmed. Yes. You're not lying. Not. Lying, it took that oath before I began as a judge on the seventh circuit and I have not violated that oath and I would take it again. Oeser serious to me well now Senator Harris. Just called you Amar. She said that if you take that oath, you're beeline. That you've already made up your mind how you're going to vote on some cases particularly dealing with. With abortion in the affordable care act. Let's just cut to the chase. She said, you're a liar you'll meyer and not liar Senator Kennedy. Aren't I won't tell me gain look me in the eye here in front of God and country. If you take that oath, will you mean it? I will mean it if I take that oath, I will mean it. You SCHMO got I swear to God. Sworn the seventh circuit and I meant it there to you'll never break that oath. I will not break that no matter what your personal feelings are no matter what my personal feeling matter what you really genius no matter what my religion is. So. When sums for Harris and her colleagues Are. They're wrong a are. So. You. Have Senator John Kennedy Louisiana Giving Ami Conybeare. Now, this was in the late we hours of the hearing sometime after eight PM or seven PM eastern time that that occurred as well. A lot of people probably haven't heard. Probably News too many of you We'll continue with this here on a visit Vans Day Mike Church show here on the crusade channel. Rather, Andrea Marie will be with us sometime next segment and we will continue on on to the Senate reconvenes and we'll bring you live coverage of whatever remains of Demon Fest Twenty Twenty, which is basically the Democrat Party coming completely now they hadn't done it during cavenaugh. Now they show that look we don't care what gender sitting in front of us. We freaking hate people you're a human we hate you do you understand this You must not get in the way of the maybe colleen and the blood harvesting and soul harvest team now. Take away from that what I just told you. Well. Then why don't you explain it to me? You really think that politics. And political victories can explain what you just heard. Or have been hearing. Over the course of the last two days. Do Party, differences. Explain. The. scandalizing the calumny. That has been heaped upon the head of the mother of seven who to be fair waded into this fully knowing what was coming. Does that maker though. Those in that maker for those that are out there I she not a real. Catholic she got a real conservative. She's GonNa fall like a tent. Shan photo like a tent in front of that withering fire. So matter of fact is a legal mind. She handed little amy. Club a car what little intelligence that Ding bad has handed it to her on a silver platter. Put some smelly stuff on it and smashed it back interface and what what do you think about that? Doesn't that just elevate the. I could talk about this for the next half hour I won't. No one's listening anyway really doesn't matter but here for five of you that may have survived me being off the air two days and decided to come back today take this nugget. This is what you bought your. Founders. Past membership for here it is in a nutshell. unbeknownst to us because she would never say this or have to say. How does one endure that kind a public spectacle And not want to lash out. I will tell you how. It's called prayer. Being in a state of grace call knowing that I, don't seek your human respect. I seek. The Truth And I'm willing to defend it and I don't care what you say about me but I will defend the good. True, into, beautiful. All right. Mike. Church, show here on the crusade channel always on air hours online last live radio station standing I'll come on captain. You're not the first man to get a thrill for murdering someone. I see it all the time off what you'll kill me like you killed in lunch there was no way to save him even try. It was your fault sensibility. Then I don't have time for this Oh. Hey, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt your little quest. Captain Ahab has to Hunters Wail. To note about revenge liar this is about saving the future of humanity. Oh Sacrificed and I Compromise on. Too many retreats. Space and before back. Home. WHO FOUGHT BACK? Not Again. Drawn. As far no five. Make them pay for what they've done. Folks breaking breaking news the hearings for the confirmation of Amy Conybeare. Begun, a new. So I am going to turn you over to the hearings and I will break an. From time to time and whenever there is a break and we'll continue that. For the remainder of the day with with Mister Barone here on Crusade. On Air and always remember you could chat about this. In the chat room at Crusade Channel. Dot Com forward slash. Chat. Opportunity here to explore. The. Nominees thinking to the extent. She can share her thoughts without deciding A. Case that comes before her Senator Harris who I respect suggested you're not candid. Judge Bear, I couldn't disagree more I. Think I've been here for a few of these. Voted forever, nominee that has come before the committee. Thank you one thing in common all of you you're highly qualified capable people. saw that in a Justice Sotomayor and justice kagan. submitted by President Obama. Definitely did not share their legal philosophy expected them to be. Fairly. Solid votes for the liberal side of the court and. Generally speaking to have been but they've done so honorably. Kept their commitment. To to be fair and impartial but we do understand judicial philosophy matters. There's differences I. Think Everybody in America can get three hours or credit for originalism. Is. The most detailed explanation of legal philosophy? I think any nominee is provided to the Senate and I appreciate that. Senator Harris mentioned about how much more candid justice, Ginsburg was. And with all due respect to Senator Harris I don't agree with that. I think Justice Ginsburg. Establish the GINSBURG rule for reason. But what she cited in terms of evidence of candor. Was Very articulate statement by Justice Ginsburg as to why she embraced the pro-choice Fornebu. That's not being candid about the law. Desperately candidate about who you are. I think it's pretty clear to everybody who's been watching these hearings that you and your family or pro-life. That, you are a practicing. Catholic. and you at tear the tenant severe faith. But I hope people also understand that you have made a pledge to the committee into the country at large. that. You will set aside whatever religious views you have when it comes time to side the. Lol. There's already been example, the seventh circuit where you up hill they. Legislative provisions that. Restricted access to abortion clinics in terms of protesting I think is the bubble case. So. I'm highly confident that you will. Judge every American based on their case. Not The law of amy. And here's would is important to me. Justice. Excuse me up center Blackburn and Ernst stirred to conservative women on this committee. It is. A very give and take society called America. There's one group in America I think is had a hard time of it ness conservatives of color. and. Women Conservatives. There's an effort by some in the liberal world to marginalize the contribution. Because you come out on a different side of an issue. Particularly abortion. So this hearing to me. Is An opportunity to not punch through a glass ceiling but a reinforced concrete barrier? Around conservative women going to shatter that barrier. I am never been more proud of a nominee than I am view. You've been candidate to this body about who you are what you believe. You've been reassuring your disposition. and. This is history being made folks. This is the first time in American history that we've nominated a woman who's unashamedly pro-life. And? Embraces faith without. Apology. And she's going to the court. Seat at the table is waiting on you. And it will be a great signal to all young women who want to share your view of the world that there's a seat at the table for them. this won't be celebrated in most places. Be Hard to find much commentary about this moment in American history. But in many of our world's will be celebrated. This has been a long time coming. And we have arrived. Somewhere. Thank president trump for giving you the opportunity, the showcase, your talents. believed. Justice Sotomayor Kagan. Were incredibly qualified women. Of great character. Disposition and integrity. And I believe the same about you. So. Let's talk a little bit about yesterday Abam Care. This hearing has been more about obamacare than has you abam care is on the ballot if you want socialized single payer healthcare that's on the ballot. Wide a mini of US subject to Obamacare it was written. In passed on a partisan line. Thank on Christmas Eve. Most. Big changes in society have more buying than that. You're talking about one fifth of the American economy and as I said, yesterday from a South Carolina point of view, this is not worked out. Well, we started with five exchanges were down to one. You have one choice for rural hospitals have closed. Premiums have gone up not down by an average of thirty percent. And when you look at the formula used by the voice of Senator Lindsey Graham here on the Mike Church show, we are monitoring this I can understand I'm just waiting for Amici Coney Berra to give some kind of an opening statement here this morning. So that's why we're listening in on the hearing of began live twenty two out sixteen minutes ago. And we're about six minutes on tape delay. If you're watching US somewhere going like sure blaze your behind we had the pause for the news and the commercials.
Pelosi "Fat Shamming" the President.....Oh Nancy
"Now live from the. Studios in San Antonio each the Joe pags show portions of this program are. This is the Joe Pags show talk to Jill call eight nine four one pags, and now it's Joe pags. Stations across the land, joepags Dot Com facebook, twitter instagram, email all right there plus the live video feed is the Joe Pags. Show glad to have you here on a Tuesday. Off. What's going on carry? A gun. I shall we do get going it happen? On a Tuesday. Lots on LAS to get to. This is ask you something off the off the cuff. Look Easy Pelosi looks frail looks like she burger. It looks like a skeleton of her former self. Somebody who needs to go around criticizing other people how they look. I was saying. And I thought the leftwards. Tolerance. non-offensive. Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the House for some reason. was asked about. The president taking hydroxy chloride win. And she said something to the effect of. He's our president. I don't want him to be ill I. Don't take something that's not approved. By the way. I Miss Something Kerry. Clerk was approved. To? Approve it. Thank you. For some reason Pelosi thing so she's onto something here. And decides to go after the president. There's nothing new I mean. This is the same idiot that tour of the State of the Union address that was filled positively and and promise and great stories of wonderful Americans of all colors, backgrounds, creeds races over the. She's that person, but this is what Nancy Pelosi had to say yesterday. Was it yesterday because it was yesterday? Yes. And who she's talking to. Anderson Cooper's. I'll probably sell. Yeah, it was. Reaction to the president's saying that he's now. Hi, dressy chloroquine Are you concerned. I let me say half the about your new baby. Hell! Lovely! Oh why it why it? How perfectly names? We all know why that is and congratulations, and as you as our. We all know how. Ella. Cooper having a child gets with his husband because they've stopped at somebody or something, so because he's he's got the husband I think. We're actually. Not? I'm not up on these people I. Think you should have to know these things I don't want I know because. As wife Betty White is important I don't know that I don't know that. Answer, but these diplomacy by the way. At some point if you stretch the face too much. Might break. I don't know I've got her paws. The people want you to look. I mean I don't think that the intention is to stretch it so much that we see absolute skeleton. Should we see your skull I? Guess what? I. Don't think you should know I. Don't think. That's all going to say on that so congratulations on your new baby. I don't know he had a baby. Congratulations on why we all know why it's Wyatt and I have no clue. She goes on to say. Father you see how important it is to keep the world sage, so the children children teenagers as far as the president is concerned. The Our presi-president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group, and in his shall we say wait group had what is morbidly obese. Morbidly Obese. They say this thing. I know. Age Group. We do a little here. I'm pretty sure is going to be by almost ten years J. Yeah, she's eighty I believe. Eighty One A. These are the tolerant people. Tolerate people. Born I actually was ready to finance the nineteen seven. nineteen forty so yeah eight this year. Actually she turned eighty this year. She's eighty. He's what seventy four seventy five something. Somewhere around. There yeah. Let's see. Let's make sure we're right about this. Nineteen forty six, so he's he's not yet. Seventy three. Seventy four this year. So I mean she's got beat by almost seven years in age, and looks at I'm just GonNa. Be Honest with you. JILTS HER AGE If the older. and has the face stretch to the point to where I don't think this has any more or less to. Stop, it. Always Jack Jockeying around those teeth. I'm guessing they're floating around. One word fix it. I'm just GonNa what nothing. Do not new. Look at something watching your face if We call her NAM NAM Nance so She concerned about him because he's our president. And because his age group, which is younger than she and he's much healthier than she looks and then because of it hasn't been approved which it has been by the way. And his own doctor said yes. We thought that the benefits outweigh the risks. And then she called them overly obese. Now when you go to my. And without not asking for a compliment. Do you think I'm fat? No BE OF ISIS. I'm obese. I hate it. It's right. It's terrible, and it's Rome. Yeah a workout in decent shape, but to forty to forty five six. One sounds fat. Unless you see me, they say oh well the guys in shape I get it. He works out, so it's forty five of something other than fat it don't have some fat, certainly ripped or anything, but I I'm in good shape until they work out. I'm listed as obese according to my. I'm not, but I am now. Keep in mind if you go back and look at all Schwarzenegger. When he was in competing shape six two to forty to fifty, he would be considered obese. By the, BMI my does not take into account your body mass according to muscle, it only takes into account. Your Body Mass I don't know how much the president ways, but he's about six three. And I've met him face to face. He looks the same to me when I watched them on video as I did as he did when he met him. So I'm guessing probably my weight, if not a little bit heavier. And, probably doesn't have as much muscles ideas a little busy probably working like I do. But the guy is anything but obese morbidly obese. Yet Nancy Pelosi found opportunity. To inject something that was nasty, negative and horrific. Now I. Don't remember ever carry. Tell me from wrong about this. I will open your criticism. You've worked with me the entire time you were working with the entire time. Obama was an office did I ever make fun of the way the guy looked now? The only time, thank you. The only time that I ever mentioned a a characteristic of him physically was when he made fun of his own ears. And I might have left to the while the guy can laugh at his ears. He's not completely an idiot and turns out. He was, but. When it came to the looks, nobody ever did that, nobody would ever do that. Nobody who had any sort of any sort of traction or or I don't know credibility in the business. That's not what you attack, but this guy's hair. His skin tone his weight his his desire. Drink Diet Coke I mean doesn't matter what it is. They've attacked mercilessly and interesting. Cooper who's Oh look. He's got the white. We all know he's why it. doesn't seem worried. He sticks. He sits there stonefaced. As if it's okay. Just accepts it maybe at that you jump in and say I I don't know where you're getting that I mean it would be a violation of hippo laws for you to talk about any sort of medical condition on the man. And why would you call him morbidly obese? That's just attorney throughout their mean. She says Moore Obese they say who were they. And am I offended by it? No I'm not a thicker skin that. Am I offended by her her attempt to pretend she's tolerant and of the caring and the loving wing of the of the the government. You have offended that she's such a liar and that again interesting cooper would sit there and alleged journalist and not call her on it. You could agree with her on everything politically, but call her on it. Call her on it. Hey. It's the president united. States I mean calling them over. The obese doesn't really make sense. His own doctor says that the benefits outweigh the risks and he decided to take this. I just want your thoughts at him taking it. Morbidly Obese. World is she? Does she live within the tells her. She's perfect I mean now cast stones. Care using the level world, right? That's what it is, isn't it? The left that keeps telling us that models are too skinny that you have to have women with relax. Seining, we have to stop the Victoria secret. You know runway that happened every year. You have to hire transgendered people to do everything that women do. We keep on hearing. That body doesn't matter that all bodies are beautiful. The you can't fact shame. You can't hide shame you can't. I Dunno intelligence, shame yet Nancy Pelosi thinks she she. She is so perfect. She can shame the president's wait. Again I I'm just responding to something that she said. I don't think I've ever made fun of her physically before, but let me tell you this physically. I don't know that I've ever seen anybody less attractive than inside Pelosi. Now that I've said that. How much hell will will there be to pay because they said? This audience, but if it. Listening there'd be a lot of. Hey, you're. Listening Daily Causes Listening Oh yeah. Oh, how dare US definitely GONNA come? How say right the Hud Day. How? Right. I honestly when she looks in the mirror. Does she think to herself Yep cut down some some people I find to be fat and ugly today because I am looking good. 'cause I'm going to suggest a mirror. I'm just GONNA suggest. Maybe it's broken. Eight, eight, nine, four, one, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, two four seven joepags, dot, com, your thoughts on the speaker of the House that the person who's third in line to the presidency, saying this about the president of the United States when we come back stair. Till pags. Want. Something gotta ask for. Just tell your smart device to play newsradio twelve hundred W, OA on iheartradio. By grace unhappy. The Joe pags show eight eight nine four one pags. JOEPAGS DOT COM. Thanks for stopping by. tweeted it I. Wonder How that's GonNa go. Has Six like scary, so Maku, yes. You're on your way. Yeah Yup I I've actually retweeted somebody earlier, and I just indicated they had forty followers, and I think like eight thousand likes some tweet. Let trying to hide it anymore. The twitter's I. Said won't at Speaker. Pelosi's start tearing of she doesn't stop having it stretched. I'm concerned for her frail frame. As well now nourished. They say let's take up a collection to buy Anna Burger. idear left is to come at me for this. Let's go. Okay that'd be good I'm just saying began. They'll become same. or I guess it could have taken the high road, and you said Nancy Pelosi is morbid, and then just left that morbidly obese. That would have gone. Up. Ninety. Dollars Ninety likes. Eight, nine, four, one, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, two, four seven JOEPAGS DOT COM by the way this program got Senator John Cornyn. We've got also Mike love from the beach. Boys Oh. Yes. We're. GonNa make it happen representative. Andy Biggs as well from Arizona. We get a lot going on and tomorrow. We'll talk to John Matthews from our affiliate in Honolulu. He's talked about how it really is true. Fourteen day quarantine if you're. GonNa Hawaii. Mousse got more than two weeks to take off to go to Hawaii to sit. Quarantined Hotel would stink, I know. Yeah because I guess there's a couple who were honeymooning there and not WANNA quarantine ended up getting arrested. So I mean business. Not Not, my American stop this garbage now. Eight eight, nine four one PAG joepags dot. Com got to remind you about newsmax. TV America's EC- economic. Tailspin forty million will be unemployed soon. President trump rebuilt the US economy. He can do it again now. newsmax TV's Chris Saito is looking at the blue state lockdown and each night this week. He's talking to the financial minds about the stock market and trump recovery pan plan that is Chris l. CEOS new show is on Newsmax TV. Five PM to eight PM East Five PM and eastern time. 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He don't party. Don't do drugs and You got some pity calling a problem and obese. I think she's way out of Beige probably too many podcasts, and on your comment that you haven't seen anyone less attractive I gotta say maxine waters. Good! Good. Word X. Joe Appreciate maxine waters over Nancy Pelosi any day. I'm just GONNA. Put it up. Carries that wrong. Not leaving out of this Miss Q. USA or Says Hey. That's rude to what I posted. Money. To look like a skeleton, but her body is seriously underweight is just your face. That looks like she died last week. Don't let the Batman. Bother you NANCE. I'm not sure how to take Communist. On the bad man or trump is the bad man. I'm not really sure I'm just going to put it out there again. Burger is all that ice cream cheese she wouldn't have. BEEN RIGHT! Yeah shoves it in. The ice cream I mean I, don't know. Does she have the fat removed from her face? What happened I? Do not new I like the little fat in the face. Let's let's not you know. Tour. Chris in Texas. Hi Chris. How're you doing how the beer today sounds good? Talk to me. What happened? Yeah well. Pelosi's a little bit well, I should say a lot of it morbid stupid. Racing to me was tried. That's I. The skin is so tight. Camps! They took the brain out. Basically 'cause it ain't there. She's flying on drugs. In Ice Cream Chris I denies crews too skinny. Carry that could be. Maybe they did a brand me. The whole heavy came vacuum. Wedding, guests. seventy-five likes killing it. Killing it. Eight nine four one PAG joepags. You're going to twitter and bypass the algorithm by all means that the pin tweet of the day. Pinned to your profile. So now when you go to my at Joe Talk Show at J., O. E., Ta Okay S., H., O. W.. You'll see the first tweet. Is You scroll down? Is this one about Nancy? Pelosi young concerned I'm concerned you could health condition you know in her age arena roope. At Eight. Be that skinny, I don't know I think he needs something to keep your body functioning. Don't you eat some ice cream? Have a burglary. Sure steak. Something! Morally else Guilio. because. That's what she is that Spanish Guinea? Pig Nine, four, one, eight, nine, four, one, seven, two four seven joepags dot com Senator John Cornyn, when we come back here. They bitterly cling to guns in God and they raise and grow the food that we eat everyday president. Trump had farmers at the white. House today we'll tell you about it. I'm GonNA eight Michael Berry. RADIO STATIONS PASTA LAYING JOEPAGS DOT COM facebook, twitter instagram email. It's all right there plus ally the feeds the Joe Pags show glad to have you glad to have this guy back. He's my senator friend of Mine Senator John Cornyn the Great State of Texas John. How are you? Doing Great Joe could. Good to see you as well as here you I, apologize for all the cove, nineteen Harem face, but this is this is what happens John when you get stuck in the house for four. Months on end right the you'll clean shaven. Look good. Where are you in Texas or you Washington? Is a good. I've been I've been in Washington for a while, but looking ahead and back to Austin here in the next few days. We love having you back in the lone star state, so let me just start with with this bill. The stimulus the so called stimulus. The Heroes Act is what we're calling it. John went when I heard that. He was calling it the Heroes Act or the hero's something. It made me remember the affordable care act, which wasn't and maybe remember net neutrality, which isn't so the left always does this they use? These misnomers took confuse people, and if people like you, don't vote for it in the Senate, then you somehow our guest heroes. There's a lot of garbage in this bill. That should not be touched right. while. You've cracked the code joke. Exactly how these things happen, and it's really pretty disappointing up. Until this point, we've been working well together to try to address this the virus, this public health crisis and economic fallout associated with it, and the pain is real lot of people who, through no fault of their own aren't getting paid. Because the government shutdown, their their business told McCain come to work, and so we decided that we needed to come together and try to throw a lifeline to them in the help. Get through this as well as the small businesses that we depend on to create the jobs once we get on the other side, and in the meantime to fight. The virus are we using our our true heroes, the frontline health care providers, law, enforcement, and others a so called essential businesses that have been out there. Bravely confronting this threat and dealing with it, so that's why it's so disappointing to see it. Three trillion dollar bill mentioned cannabis sixty eight times and just tries to throw more money at the problem. You know we're willing to do what we need to do, and it's like world. War Two where we ran up the debt because it was an existential threat, but just gratuitously throwing another three trillion dollars this and honestly without even consulting the white. White House or the Senate is not being serious, and it's it's it is disappointing and as you read it and I'm sure you already know this. There's basically blanket amnesty in this bill. In other words, everyone who's here illegally is going to get a twelve hundred dollar check, and they will never ever be questioned about their immigration status again defacto. They get to stay, and that has nothing to do with corona virus. People who have broken. Broken the law come here should not be rewarded for breaking the law to come here. That's all in there and you're right. Marijuana and cannabis are mentioned over and over and over again. I guess it's an attempt to make the federal government say it's okay. What people don't realize that these dispensaries can be shut down tomorrow by the federal government is against federal law. The feds have turned a blind eye and said look state you deal. Deal with it, but they're trying to cram this Downer throats now federally as well. It's a very strange step to take. This is reminiscent of what Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, and and you guys. All had a deal in the Senate. She came back from vacation whatever and demanded a bunch of green new deal crap in the first bill that actually get relief off by a full week John and people in America need to know that. That was part of the cares. Act as you know, joe which created something called the paycheck protection program bright. Should we initially funded with three hundred fifty billion dollars, but it ran out of money in two weeks. That was the need for low interest loans, but really the most important part of that was incentive for employers who could afford to do so to keep their employees on payroll. We wanted to keep that connection, and so people didn't have to go file thrown him. boomer worse didn't have any money. Come in coming in the front door while their bills were ongoing so. Yeah they delayed that just for no other reason than. I guess speaker plus he wanted to show. She was a force to be reckoned with. All leverage when she up leverage when she saw. Senator. John Cornyn follow him on twitter at Senator John Cornyn. Eddie actually he deals with himself. I talked back and forth with you on on twitter. which I think is really great that you that you give access to people. John One of the questions that are asked of me almost every time I interview somebody who is in the house or the Senate his. Why don't you ask him this and I have asked this question a few times, and hopefully you'll give me a better than that I've gotten so far. Why on God's Green Earth. Did we ever give people unemployment more money than they were making their jobs, and the question is is very simple, because if I'm getting more money, not working. Why would I ever go back to work? When my employer calls, employers are actually yelled at. Why are you asking me to come back? When I making more money, not working for you, why did we do that? You want the short answer. Sure yes. It was a mistake. You know when you're doing something that big. That fast. That's one of the risks you take. The spring needed to do something quickly, because were out of work, and unfortunately, that was one of the things that. Made its way into the bill we'd never want instead of is people to not work. And and unfortunately way that was mistaken will be repeated I guarantee. Does it sunset, does it end John and by the way I saw a stupid fake news poll today that said eighty two percent of Americans want the government to send them a monthly check. People are getting used to this now. That's my problem. Well, that is that's a little frightening ended up itself stance your question. It does sunset it lasted for four months, and that's the reason why Speaker Pelosi and her so called Hero Zach. WanNa do a continue it for much longer period of time, but we need to give people get back to work and do so safely in Texas, and in other places or governors are slowly reopening endo as we see more and more testing available, and we learn how to maintain our own personal health by frequent hand, washing and maintaining that social distancing. If our doctors or nurses in our law, enforcement personnel and other essential businesses can function, and so can the United, states. Senate so can be the United States House representatives, but they've been gone, and they came in with a drive by last Friday. Drop this bill down instead. We're not coming back until the twenty seventh of May. Again this is this is a real crisis. This is I think the president said We're on Moore and I. Agree with that. It is senator. John Cornyn you as a former judge in somebody that I really respect when it comes to the constitution I, wonder how how a part of this. The Fourteenth Amendment I think undoes a lot of the tenth amendment. I believe in federalism I believe in the tenth. Amendment I believe in states' rights, but where I said I can go get a haircut right now. Obviously I haven't. But I can I can go and I go to the gym now I can go and I could do a lot of things slowly, but surely in Phases Governor Greg Abbott is opening up the state in Michigan. Conversely, you've got Gretchen Whitmer. WHO's vying to be the vice presidential nominee with Joe? Biden clearly is threatening to arrest seventy seventy year old seventy seven year old barber who dares cut hair because he needs to pay his bills. Jonathan. The Fourteenth Amendment meant that you can't pass laws that would somehow differentiate between this person and that person because I'm a Texan I can do something because he's a Michigan. He can't do something saving in Nevada same thing. In California so is it lawful under the constitution to tell a barber? You may not support your family. You pay your bills by cutting hair. Even though he crossed state lines, perhaps in Ohio, he might be able to. Is that okay your? That's why so many people were moving to Texas. That's true. and. You know look, I, think federalism, which is what you describe states governing themselves according to local conditions. Works pretty well in a country as big as ours because. New York. We're not all. NEW ORLEANS, we we're. We're very diverse. In our big cities in Texas with Bob more population people live in Iraq more closely together. They've had more problems. And while we're all willing to do our part. During a time of public health crisis, I think some of these orders have proven to be arbitrary, and you know most Texans I would say most Americans redel against what they view. View is arbitrary restrictions, and that's unfortunately where I think. Some of the governors have gone astray and it's interesting in new. Jersey there's a similar voter. You can't go to the you can't do this. That or the other I really love. You saw this viral video, but the police showed up, and they said I just want to inform you all that you're in violation of the executive order. Have Day that I left I. think that's the right way to do it informed. It's a civil issue. It's not constitutionally a law on these orders certainly are for public health, and we understand that an limited temporary timeframe, but people are getting sick and tired of it, and as I said, conversely some are becoming condition to always work online to oath to never go back to work to always have their handout expecting a government check. The sooner we get back open, the better I in in I think in that aspect. How do you feel about how gradually we are real putting? Are you supporting the President? His call to let's let's reopen man. Let's get people back to where people are getting star crazy. But we are. We are hardwired to live in isolation. In banks and we know that a lot of families are confined to their home with their children who aren't in school, maybe elderly parents, and they who who they're taking care of this is stressful, and it's provokes a lot of challenges to a mental health We know that to domestic violence is being reported to much higher levels. People are. Perhaps, abusing alcohol in doing other things I mean we are made to live in the lockdown and so I think trying to come out of this safely, and gradually is the way to go, but we need our economy which was enormously strong before this virus rendered a body blow to our door, public health tour, Commie and we need to gala. Grow out of it. Unfortunately, some of the governors and some of the other local officials are saying no. We just need more cash from Washington DC. In essence, we're subsidizing people, not taking reasonable steps to reopen the economy. Come self sufficient. I mentioned this yesterday here in Texas Greg Abbott is opening in phases in in Florida to Santa's opening in phases Florida, and Texas, no state Income Tax Florida in Texas both balanced bottom line. California huge taxes on people not reopen twenty one billion dollars in debt, and they've got their hand out. Saying John Cornyn send me some money from the federal government. So how do you make of? This is going to be a lofty question. You've got very little time and I understand that. But how can you employ? States be like Texas be like Florida. Don't have these these overwhelming regulations and taxes you'll, you'll see. The burden will lighten on the people, and then you can balance your bottom line in Gavin newsom literally said I need more money from the government now. Voting with their feet, moving to places where they have less taxes and reasonable regulation and more jobs and more freedom, and so that's already happening. This may just accelerated in our. The interesting thing is governor newsom. Received California received fifteen point three billion dollars as part of the cares act that we passed late March. He got the money on May the fifth, and yet he tweeted the day that the Heroes Act was passed in the House that the Senate needed to take up. The Heroes Act because he needed more money and I dare say he had been spent the money that we send him. Yeah, and we just can't keep doing that. Keep running up the debt just so they can get more free money from Washington. We're willing to do what we need to do. In an emergency we've done that. We've shown our willingness to do that, but there have to be some limits on this and we got cut off gravy train for some of these states that just to want to take money from everybody else and spend it on their on their own. Flawed state policies. I couldn't agree more Senator John, Cornyn Great State of Texas coming from Washington via skype this time we appreciated John One last quick one no relief, no new legislation till the twenty seven. Because that's that's when Congress comes back for some reason. But we! We're the Senate's here. Working and one of the things I'm working on. Liability protection for people who, in good faith, follow the guidelines that are coming down from our governors or mayors and from Washington We don't want this to be an opportunity for people to fire file. DOUCET's legislation shakedown these businesses that may or penny just hanging on by a thread smart. We don't disincentivize people from falling those guidelines. In fact, we will incentivize to follow them as they safely reopen, so there's plenty of work getting done this afternoon. Where confirming trae trainer to Federal Election Commission, his nomination has been pending for several years now, and unfortunately been part of the slowdown on everything that our democratic friends are doing to prevent president trump fully staffing his administration, so there's plenty of work getting done in the Senate not so much in the house because. They, just did this drive by the heroes last and look down again for a couple of weeks. I hear you I appreciate the work you do for us here in Texas and for the entire country Senator John Cornyn, John thanks a million. Thanks Joe We're back after this is the JOE pags show stay right here. Till VNA. Stay with the. Show. You want something gotTa Ask for? Just tell your smart device to play newsradio twelve hundred W. O. A. I. Heart radio. Senator Wrong. Jo, pack show, nine, four, one, eight, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, two four seven JOEPAGS DOT com. Are They GonNa get a Bible answer to that question? Why the Hell Are you paying? People more to not work his answer. It was a mistake. Shouldn't happen. Happen again careless. We have an answer I know, right? Said Dig your heels in and don't give people more money. They would make to work or don't pass the bill. It was a mistake. Say here's other that confuses me and this happens a lot. Somebody write me an email. The rotten a tweeted Rodney, some right and they'll say hey. I need this information and I say I have no clue what you're talking about. Don't have that information was to the show. My wife loves the show. One Guy said I'm. GonNa, tell you like you and this response. By what? The latest iteration is Chris publicly over on. Twitter writes me at Joe. Talk show that's on the twitter's hey, brother, whatever happened to Jerome Atoms. Drone Drum Adams. Is the surgeon general I haven't watched one of these briefings by the president. In like a month so I don't know if dramatic there were not. So my response was very very quick simple. was charged keeping track of them. That's right to the point is in I would say so yes. Now my job. Back seriously respect to look look to you for information working my face off. Hope that reply was not from you. People Hey sparky. It was from me. I'm the only person that manages my social media I. Don't know where Jerome I. Don't know it wasn't watching him. Answer to every question I was not in charge of keeping track of I hope this was just some staffer. Staffers managing my social media. It's meaning got computers and devices recognize press, reply, and then type words I'm not above it. I've got a staff of many. Voting responded to talk this way. Chris. You. Don't get. 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Your partner. That other guy. Yes I'm saying I'm going to be events you're. You're not a giant. Jerry. To. My husband got. Thrown out! Young genetically. Male. Husband older want. Make Here! I Make No. Assumption What have you go home tonight? He says you know I've been thinking about it I kind of chick today. I know my husband would not say. What would it be? And then. You got to abide by that. You're being offensive I don't care I. don't care. said. Eight nine, four, one, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, four seven joepags dot com I i. I'm just GONNA. Skip the whole story. Look into that later. I think we have to go to this one. This one is is one that we have to bring forth because this is one of the stories that you just want to say. Yes this is the United Nations that we for some reason house in this country New York that. We've for some reason. Pay The lion share of the money to to keep it running. That continues to be a far left wing progressive outlet for stupidity. This I thought you were kidding with this one I am not. I was I was sure you're kidding, you're Josh. You're pulling my leg, not joshing you up pulling my leg. Philippine on how stupid! Yeah from the blaze the United Nations says people should carefully choose their words in order to ensure happiness an acceptance in a more equal world on Monday, the United Nations tweeted what you say matters help create a more equal world by gender-neutral language. If you're unsure about someone's gender or are referring to a group, such direction includes using spouse instead of husband or wife. Instead of landlord family name instead of maiden name and more, and they have a list here, so mankind of course should be humankind chairman should be chair. Congressman legislator businessman should be representative policemen belief officer landlords should be owner boyfriend girlfriend Chevy. Partner salesman should be salesperson. Manpower should be workforce. Maiden name should be family name. Firemen should be firefighter, and husband or wife. Should these spouse. Ca I'm either GONNA confused okay. When do you confuse to let's? Let's break it down folk. In this day and age, a dude can marry a dude. If, he's introducing me to the duty married. He would say this is my. Husband right, so why? Why? Why do I have to say spouse? If I can see to dude. It's always been right I would say yes this. Chick, chicken marry a chick right? Yes, yes. So, if I'm meeting the chick she married. Shoot. Introduce her as my wife. So why? Why do I have to say how how hurting feelings if I say spouse? By Girl! We just need more equal language. The word wife means WHO's married gender-neutral language. That's a gender. Husband means a man that's married, but you've got to get rid of the gender. Equal. But. But they're two men who got married. They're both husbands. The two women who got married they're both wives. Why don't have to change it to spouse because it is? The US. I don't know. Our our race as human. Where the human race. Human race covers everybody. Doesn't matter if you're a male or female or confused and pretending to be the other one. That doesn't matter. You're still part of the human race. We take mankind from human humankind, so if we say mankind, we're including everybody WHO's a human. Are. We going to change toward human to Hugh Person. Oh they should right. Because mankind should be humankind but human, there is men and that, so we've got it should be more discerning. We should call people by what they are. We should be mankind and then stupid people. It can be that I liked it. The stupid people don't fence the mankind one. Why yeah like it more accepting more tolerant inclusive. The word human is all inclusive. It may be the most inclusive word we have in the language. Mankind is an offshoot of that and has also extremely inclusive. If you're the chairman of the board and you happen to be a woman, you're stole the chairman of the Board. If you're the first baseman? On a softball team. And and you're a girl. You're still the first basement. These persons you're a human. We're cutting human down to man at the base. I know right. That's crazy. Isn't it crazy? A businessperson should be representative wh. How does that even work at businessman? Yes, it should be representative. Yes, so. She owns her own business. She's representative. Yes. She's A. She's a businessman or a businessman. 'cause she's human. Can't say that like a member of Congress is not a congresswoman. She's a congressman. No Congress Person Congress representative. Congress humor, who is so offended by these terms because I have yet to really meet somebody who's offended by the terms. I've yet to have anybody. Say just to let you know I'm offended. Being called the congressman. I'm offended being called a businessman. Offended being called a wife or a husband I. Who's defended by these things? Know Do live inside the UN building because they're not living among us. I don't know anybody that would be offended by this, but come on dude. So I need your phone calls? Eight eight, nine, four one pags, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, two four seven joepags dot com I have made the mistake once. I made the mistake. Well! Somebody was getting married. It was a guy somebody who's pretty high in our business. And Whatever the email was by some some sort of business something and he said Oh. I'm out this week or next week I'm getting married I said Oh. Well, God bless you God. Bless you new wife. No clue. He was marrying dude. But. How does it for the person to say? Oh I'm marrying amandime Robert just say that. Oh look good luck to you and your husband. You know what I mean. Maybe he's just said partner. You just assume. SHAPE PARTNER OR spouse. I should have said anything. Yes, well, because ninety eight percent of people getting married are straight, and it's a man and a woman. It's okay to assume that if you're part of the small percentage of people that are marrying the same gender. The owners should be on you not on me. Okay, let me give you a little sun. The owner should be on you to tell me it's another dude. A marrying biff. Then in the future. I'll know to call your husband. Or otherwise I'm assuming it's a girl. Because, that's a really really by the math. A good assumption, that's crazy editing. Nine four one pags ended nine, four, one, seven, two, four, seven I need to know your thoughts on changing the language the language. Back again at the UN and to be inclusive, you can't say mankind. By us. You can't say husband or wife and kiss my ass. My letter say kiss my answer to. Keep. Saying that seems to be one of your favorite word so. They really wanted to pucker up in lineup because this is these dumb. This is a waste of my time yet here. The calls come eight eight nine for one pags. JOEPAGS DOT COM. 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He and the tyrannical Mayor Ron near and very horrible marriage. They've decided to stay at home. Until went June, sixth I believe. The fourth. Yeah, they went to extend. Stay home work. Safe Order, so here's the good news. If you live in this area, you don't have to listen to them. You have to listen to the governor. The governor's orders supersede what they're trying to do. They're going to strongly suggest this. Strongly say you should that, but businesses need to keep on opening according to the governor's phases of reopening Texas, he's in phase two already, so if these local tyrants are trying to do is invalid. Period that's what it is. If you don't believe me, check with your governor and again we're no matter where you on the United States. If there is some local doofus, saying something that he or she thinks is a rule that they can somehow put in place, it's it's not validated until the legislature and the governor of that state sadist, you were to say well I was GonNa say as far as San Antonio. Concern I I work here Bennett. Live here. San Antonio not shutdown the traffic last night. Trying to get home was unbelievable before out. They're not. They're not in there staying in their homes. Maybe some are, but San Antonio is open for business, so let me say this. I love that. In San Antonio. Yes, you guys made a huge mistake electing these idiots don't do it again. You made a huge mistake. It's time for them to go. Do not forget what they're trying to put on you. When it comes to election time again and that's for any city, USA. We've got a tyrant. Monarch? No matter of his governor or county, executive or a mayor. You guys did this. You put people in these offices, either by sitting in your hands and voting or by voting for the wrong person. Don't do it again, but carries right. People are not listening because they know the governor is is the one in charge of reopening. The state is not these local. Do I want information? Local governments absolutely don't want them to be ahead of this. Absolutely do I. Want them to go against the governors and the legislatures order and against what the people of Texas No. No I want them to get in line. No matter what their party affiliation, these two are big Democrats that are running the city, no matter what your party affiliation is aside and work with the governor. You know? Does Not Care, if you're a Democrat or Republican and also having to go to work to support, your family doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican, what matters is you get to go and do it again and again? They're putting these so-called orders in place, knowing that some people will believe their rule of law. They're not. So don't fall for it. It nine for one pack joepags. Dot Com your thoughts on the on his speech police. You can't say husband Jhansi businessman. You can't say chairman. You can't say mankind. You can't say a lot of things anymore because it's just not nice. It's not Nice John Trump. John What's going on? Joke John here. A former English teacher in the state of Texas, retired just a former columnist for the express news, and my skills are pretty good in English and like to comment on the language. Please please. Well let's take one of the first ones It will be that versa who boy who lost his book? You wouldn't say boy lost his book. That's one and of course the pronouns he and all forms of it is kind of crazy, and when you think about other things like They lost they book or they lost their book. We know which one it is. How do we put up with one saying we lost book? Because if you call people for using the language incorrectly, and if the person happens to be other than white, you're going to be in big trouble for doing it going to be called racist. You know that. Right, but how did they get better? ANC language skills? If when you don't obviously, we're destined to doomed as I should say to repeating the past, we should repeat the past that well. That's what was correct. Now we're taking on new axiom when we are not not only are people. Don't speak a language correctly now. We're changing the language. The language comes to define words. These words have definitions, mankind, chairman representative. We know the definitions of these words yet. We're changing the definitions to make some tiny miniscule percentage of our society feel better about themselves. It's very strange to be done. And I'm not changing. I'm saying this any way, Jerry. How dare you John? Joe Right. I appreciate it. Emerged not happy with you. Dare You have dad you UTAH. You're ruining my future. If you go to light, one is going to be Michael Minnesota Michael What's going on. I just wanted to call and comment that to on the the UN and our language, perfection and changes, and all that and I think it's another reason why to abolish the UN because I don't know anything. They do their other than house, a few bureaucrats and People that fly into our country, and our treated well and live like yeah, you know, and and I just completely disagree with it. I. Completely Disagree La- change in the path and direction of our communication and what words? And I'll let you take it from there. I appreciate that yet I. Don't want to change everything look. There are fixed variable things we have on trying to make the fixed things variable for some reason. Like one point zero zero to four one percent of the population thinks that it should be changed. It makes them feel better. I have an idea. This is the way it is passed the potatoes. cary doing miss something here now has the potatoes. I know I know I agree with you. Ross on Komo what's going on. About here in Washington. Already started. Being happen have the. UN. Tell them anything. A business owner. Is Not an owner anymore. because. That kind of Chip so of your employees. Doesn't, doesn't it? Even, how stupid are these people know? Doesn't what what what what would it conveys? Is you own the building you own the company and you employ people. Nobody is suggesting they owned the workers. They also listening to the NBA. They did the same thing. In the NBA. You're absolutely right. Because the players were saying, it's a throwback to slavery by calling these people owners of businesses. How stupid is that? So when they get a like? For the. Call the governor of a there is not the owner governor. Governor of the. To take a vacation, governor could get next Tuesday all. Is that what you have to do now? I'm the how dare you. How dare you. I'm Great Dome Bug. Day You. Jason is team moist I know. He was so angry and there's a picture of him going around it, just it. It cracks me up what I see your face. What are you doing? Kick School. Mercer is mark is in Texas what up Mark? All all sides a hell of PATNA POTATOES BACK Past, the biscuit sounds good. Carry here on. Hold for a while to say that. Okay and nothing else to say the past this okay. How did calm I show? With the future of the calls. Matt. What's going on hi? Eight Joe has plenty I'm GONNA. Get a Grad. How dare be but longtime listener love the show? Bank police I'm like you made a good point. I have never met I I'm fifty. Three never met a person. It's offended by anything before by, so I wanted to say you're on point Levy guys. Keep it up. Thank you where where do these people live Kerry than? I don't fence island. I know I not offensive bird I don't know. What the heck are talking about here I mean. I'm offended by them being offended. Offense not important. Why is it only their offense that makes sense if all offended by them being offended, why is it? My offense taken into into account as well I'm not. Should be. I got to do. I'll do a lot. My ringtones going to be. Going to call my phone day, you be awesome break. You're going to lighten things up Mike Love, the lead singer of the beach, boys and founder of the beach boys as well we come back stair. This is the Joe. There are two reasons. I listened carefully to San Antonio's first news than I do to my husband I was rarely Parker the team. Give me all the Info I need to start my day and second. You'd need to meet my husband. Traffic and weather every ten minutes on the tens tomorrow morning at five on Newsradio, twelve hundred w away joepags, DOT COM facebook twitter Instagram, Alex all alright there plus the live video feed is the Joe. PAGS show glad to have you here thrilled out of my mind. That I've got rock and roll royalty on the line with me. It's Mike. Love from the Beach Boys Mike. How are you? Joe Fabulous to be on your program. Because I know you're very well. Listen to in in in in the area. Got The country covered? My man and we appreciate you coming on. Everybody knows you I in fact I. interviewed my a good friend of Mine and Honolulu about what Hawaii's doing. Corona virus, and all that I mentioned that I had you on next, and he stopped at his tracks. I'm a huge beach. Boys Fifth Tell Mike I love him. Everybody loves you. My cousin feel it's GonNa feel good right. That's very good. Are you kidding? That's that's what keeps US moving keeps going. Year after year after year that you don't know me, we're just met. A musician I was a music major in College Saxophone Performance Guy I sang all the deep bass notes in all the choir stuff, but in my family's are musical family. So when we get together and I'm asking you this because you and your cousins. The Wilson's made the beach boys when when you got together, was it like when I get together with my family, we all start harmonising and playing the piano and singing, and was it that sort of thing every time you guys got together. That is exactly how it was matter of fact. My mom was crazy about music. We had a grantee on Oregon and harp in our living room, and we all sing together, and all the birthday parties and Thanksgiving and Christmas parties we we Christmas Carol around the neighborhood, but then we -til off and are different groups. Adults would go one way and my cousin Brian. I would go another way we'd be doing everley brothers and doo-wop and be. Good stuff. You're always trying to find a way to harmonize like. When I was in high school, I wrote down the road at any. Sunday came on I found harmony whether there was supposed to be wondering what you guys always experimenting like that. Oh absolutely we sing, Everley brothers. There's just to Barney right with his plan, but we'd have my sister join, and we'd be doing three parks. And then we got familiar with the four freshmen that was four parts, so yeah, we were very fascinated especially to do what because of all the different you know, the base part and the high part of the. In between that and the four freshmen and the blend of the early brothers that was the formula for the beach boys sound. Did you? Did you know what we would work Mike because again? Nobody had done it before I mean the the righteous brothers were doing some really cool harmonies, really high voices, a really low voices, but I mean nothing like three four five part harmonies. Did you know it was going to work? Or did you not carry just? Hey, it's fun to do this music. If it takes off, it takes off. Well, we we! We started with a song called Surfing and the next was surfing safari, and the one after that surf you say, and we put those four part harmonies on rock and roll beat, which was basically influences Chuck Berry Right. But so yeah, we didn't know it was going to work, but we would guess what you know almost sixty years later here we are. Exactly right now and the. Live on forever. That's for sure. It's Mike love of founding, and also not only a founding member, but the lead singer the beach boys for years and years. You do it incredible song here to sort of get us through the coronavirus covid nineteen deal. It's called this, too, shall pass, which is a dynamite song. You've got some some big stars on there with you. John stamos is on drums you've got you've got Christie loves this your child or somebody? Somebody Christian love my son Christian secret part on that ten and our our musical director lives in Florida. He put the basic track together and then Senate everybody. Seven different locations involved in the making of the song. We never saw each other person other than over our iphones. It's amazing 'cause the song comes together like like it's incredibly produced right there in the same studio. Bruce Johnston, isn't he? The guy that wrote I. write the songs for Barry Manilow. Sure sure did Mary. Miller wrote all these song except for the one where he says I write the songs I think that's kind of A. So, you've got song exactly. Exactly so if you don't mind, let me play a little bit of their song. Let people get a flavor of it. I'M GONNA also linked to where they can go and download it and watch it on Youtube. This is amazing and I know that that you guys are doing this to feeding America's covid nineteen. Response Fund so we're to talk about that as well and he's got a little bit mind Mike. We all remember when school's was cost. Shown. Nobody Raven Fall. Down entire nations. Washing hands where NASA. Even. Wayne, Shaking hands on the best social distancing. Rich. People? To show asks. Yet. I. Don't WanNA. Lose my time talking with you, but I'm gonNA tell people how they can go and get it and how they can go and listen to it now. They could help out this fund. Obviously you know it's an Omar to what you guys have done for years and years when when you hit the fun fun fun, part and again those harmonies are so tight. How hard was it like? I sing these stupid song parodies on my show. You're not familiar with the show I. I'll take a song that people love, and then I'll wrote it by by talking about news of the. The day in it but I try to do on my own, and and it's and they come out okay, but mix nothing like what you guys did. These things one run through two runs through the beach boys and with this song this too shall pass, or you just tightened so good that you guys were able to walk into the studio. Knock it out, one or two takes. It doesn't take us a long time. Because everybody is is a comedy dated to their well, they re designed. The parts are designed according the voices particular individuals. You Know Ah guy that sings. A high part was eighteen years. The four freshmen in recent in their of he lives. His name is Brian Eichelberger and he lives in Nashville. The saxophone was done by randy legal who also lives in Nashville, so those two guys were were in their home studios there, and our musical director did the basic track, and send it on. He did depart my Chris. My Christian did apart in Santa Barbara. I did my lead. In Lake Tahoe, so stainless did the drums and and and the keep. The drums and did the video from the studio in in California so it was an interesting way of donut. It's called this too, shall pass. Feeding Erica's Covid nineteen response find and it's helping what foodbanks right. who thanks all over the country is supported by feeding, America they organize food, and they've done millions of meals a year, and so they're a fantastic. Will highly needed in these days. When so many are out of work in funds are scarce. In this is, this is so awesome because people aren't really sure what's going to happen tomorrow, let me ask you about your life, which has been in the spotlight, and you've performed in front of millions upon. You probably can't count how many people you performed in front of and I've seen you perform. I don't think I've seen it lie, but I certainly have seen plenty of video of it I've seen you live on television. And you seem to just eat it up like this. This is obviously what keeps your heart pumping and and. You do it right now. That's gotTa be straining right. Well I don't allow it to get me frustrated I just look forward to the day than we can get back to it because. Between recording and personal appearances. My my favorites been the live music part of it. I'm in the recording part. It's fun and it's necessary, and it's great. You can make perfect silent song, but seeing it L- in feeling it live with the audience responses singing along to Kokomo or good vibrations. Help me Rhonda, bar or something like that. That's pretty awesome. It's unbelievable to watch. Certainly I felt a little bit of that nothing like you guys, but I played saxophone, big big sporting events, the nationally whatever and just feel that love from everybody focused on you for that moment. I was GONNA ask you. What's more satisfying perfect track that you guys got done in the studio or out there in front of people? Obviously, it's in front of people. Obviously the perfect tracking the studios phenomenal because perfect, and it's coming to beautifully in the speakers. But the live live part of to me, that's that's that's special. Human Beings actually responder music. They're singing along or dancing long or or maybe just listening politely to you know like in my room, or God only knows and applauding. You know not because they're so. Pleased by what you've just done. Is Mike love from the beach. Boys what I love about the beach boys. You guys weren't doing the same song over and over with a couple of different lyrics me definitely slow when you did stuff that was that had an interesting beat. You had stuff that was the standard. You could dance, too, but also stuff that made you think was that an evolution or you guys always loved every kind of music and you knew you didn't want to do surface up. We, we looked every kind of music we did. Like a song in my room, a ballot Donald Music Salad with a little bit of a beat. But then you had surfing USA, which was full on rock out, you know and and I get around fun, upbeat and fun kind of songs. But good vibrations. Making think I mean that was so different and so unique it was avant-garde and nineteen, sixty six and one number one. We voted the number one group in Britain number two being the Beatles, which was. Amazing! How does that advocation? Mike Love Grammy Award winner and Roll Hall of Fame Dot. The I'm GonNa linked to where you can go listen to. This, too shall pass on Youtube. How do people donate the money? Though after they watched the youtube video, they can go to link and donate money that way to food banks work donate straight defeating America, or if they by the song all the proceeds are going to go for from the label and the artists royalties are going to feed feeding America I've got to ask you some good. You're GONNA ask you. You just brought up the Beatles. How do you? You. How do you see them coming on the scene and then think to yourself? We have to compete with this, which is a very different sound, very European, sound a sound that people going nuts about. Did you guys? Did you win the beach? Boys to yourselves as completely separate entities, or do you see them as competitors? I've never understood that I. Don't find myself. Be Competitor with other talk. Show hosts, but I'm aware of them what what happens with that? We were all influenced by the same people. They love the Everley brothers. They lived Chuck Very. They Love I. Mean Paul McCartney, said Chuck Berry's agree to songwriter of all time. we all you know So many different. Types of music we just were different because the beach boys really focus on the harmonies you know, the to. Both groups had fantastic songs. Fans of theirs they were fans of pro. mckearney could not be nicer about the Song God only knows, or the pet sounds album. Nothing, but nice things about it, and I mean who doesn't like sergeant. Pepper's and you know in. The earlier songs as well. As all pulled off the nineteen sixty s and beyond. I love your still performing love this song. It sounds exactly like you always sounded. which is a a great thing. One last question is a music. Geek, if you don't mind Mike. Almost every stock. He's thinking of Song Right now. That was a minor que. Did you guys purposely do everything in major? Because a major key makes you feel happy a monarchy, not as much should the reminders in there, but generally speaking I get the feeling. They were all major key songs. Well you know it also had to do with what what if it's Guitar Bass Song or if it's a piano based songs. Different Chord progressions as you know, and so there are some nine of course in there. Obviously, but but you're right. There's some songs that sound just more positive and upbeat. If they're in a major key that can be true. It depends on the song. You guys did an amazing job because you bring joy and happiness, because the musicianship was so good, and then you guys were so good at it that you can have fun and bring us into Azure. Performing it I just love everything you guys did I. Really can't say enough I could talk for three hours Mike I appreciate you. Thank you joe the soup? It's great having. Your me on the program and thank you for letting people know about this, too. Shall Pass this, too, shall pass. It's an amazing song. It's Mike. Love and a and a group of incredible musicians, going at it. I'M GONNA link to it and make sure that you donate to help out feeding America's Covid nineteen response. Fund, Mike thanks a million. Hopefully, we can do it again. Thank you. Jill Stuart again. Diaper Song. Follow up. Exactly right. There even Mike I I love it. We're back after this and the Joe pags show. Stay right here. You're listening to joepags. GotTa Ask for just tell your smart device to play newsradio twelve hundred W. AI on iheartradio. Along for the ride Joe pags show eight, eight, nine four one pags edit eight, nine, four, one, seven, two, four seven. joepags Dot Com thrill talked to Mike. Love have always thought the beach boys were top notch. Their harmonies are incredible and just hearing him talk about some of that was just very very cool. I got a little music Geeky. Carry a little little music Geeky. They're now I know, but it's a really cool interview. I like that. Thank you. Suggested right after that was. Totally Jon Jovi Yeah. If you. Don't know, reach out to John Bon Jovi. Invite him on this program. Let him him say no vehemently like he will. Burn, Fat Coward and they will report back to carry that at least we tried. That would be happy to have Jon Bon Jovi right? He wouldn't I don't think he would want to do that. Why can you just enjoy so? Club is going to be about Bon. Jovi, no, and I did and I compliment edgy on that review is giving ideas for next time. It was in the same sentence. Compliment. All right eight, nine, four one pags, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, two, four, seventy, enjoy doing interviews like that a musician, a singer and actress and actor, a. a football person, a basketball guy down with doing all sorts of stuff like that. It doesn't always have the politics all the time taking a break every once in awhile is kinda funny, not. A like it. Yes, I. Now back to Nancy Pelosi I'm sicker. CRAP! Next we'll get into. Politics got a phone call or two on this and we'll make sure we get to that. It meantime superbeets. They're great superbeets in the morning. The powder in in whatever drink drink wonderful, but if you're forget, you could always have them with you. superbeets soft chews. They combine non GMO beats with a powerful new ingredient grape seed extract the grape seed extract used the superbeets off. 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One and Robinson Yakima Roberts up. A Joe and Mike just want to recommend. An old timey album that the beach boys did in nineteen, ninety six I, think called stars strikes, and they brought in some great female singers, Lorrie, Morgan and Kathy properly, and I listened to that rascal every day. and. Nineteen Ninety six because. Yeah. It's fantastic. It's got all their old hits and two great female singers that just knock your socks off so the rob I appreciate the suggestion. We'll check it out and one comment from Michael and Oregon on the PC. Please make make it fast. Michael What's happening. Hey Joe thanks for taking my call. Yeah with all this. Going on I guess I'd have to a funded that you have somebody on there with with the group name of Beach Boys. Isn't that kind of offensive? You know like a little chauvinistic or somebody else should be these people I think you're right should be persons. Beach People Beach Kind Beach Your carry. Yes No beach. Yes, yes, Can you help me Ronda? Could be helping nondescript person of whichever gender. Right yeah. Points going. Into a song, or we could just say shut up and pass the potatoes. Eight nine four one pags executive pass the biscuits editor, eight nine four one PAG joepags Dot Com Cuban writer. Stay with the Kiro pack show. Now live from the. Studios in San Antonio each the Joe pags show. This is the Joe. pags show to talk to Joe, call, eight, eight, eight, nine, four one pags, and now he's joepags. Stages across the land. joepags DOT COM facebook, twitter instagram email. Find it all there the live video feed. School, Download and subscribe to the newsletter goes out Monday through Saturday. What's going to be on the program and then some? Glad to have you here on a Tuesday taco Tuesday. Deflated! t what! I always always began. We play this for seven years. Paco. Joe. Don. T! News. Joe? said. Be Nice to. The Heck Ben. Tuesdays? I don't get round. Mistaken you want one. Seventies nuts. Okay! Daughter. Cockle Polo, let's hear it. Bring it. Back Oh nailed it. Can. Paulo off today, but we still have Paulo on tape or on digital. When I say taped older you, you say tape. She tape there usually tape shut up. Shut up sometime US originally. Actually the bane of our existence, social media were so looked on it yet. It's so it's so horrible and everybody in social media now has an opinion. Never really had an opinion before. We'd have to hear that everybody has their doctors licensed. MD license apparently yeah. Our good friend, JJ, I don't mind. Bring this up because he posted this of the face or you see this. Back all you people that want to. They want to complain about a mask and all this. As. I'm not where to mass got to wear a mask. We should protect the old people protect those who are preexisting conditions, and I'm not wearing a mask so coming. Smack me JJ. I didn't get. It smacked. Respond or no, he did I mean. Jj We're friends I like the guy a lot. He's a great what he does. He's in a production staff, and and he's wonderful. I just love. The DEPOSITI does always has a great outlook. I was surprised to see him threatening violence on people. Who Working to wear a best I'm like. Oh. My Gosh, don't. Angry whether you wear a mask and you want everybody else to or you don't wear a mask and you, WanNa be free. Whole idea that we're supposed to live and let live, and you know my rights. Stop where you're. Start at none of that. It all goes out the window. Let me say it again. There's I. can if you want to wear a mask? I'M NOT GONNA complain I'm not GonNa Argue. That can tell you look stupid of a lot of media. Let me just be honest. A lot of you do but I'm not going to see any of that. If I don't WanNa wear masks, you should feel say all right fine. You don't WanNa wear when that's up to you. I'm going to wear one now. The allegation is not wearing a masters putting my life at risk. No sparky! Let me say again. If you're elderly, you're at high risk. Should. Stay at home if you're. If you've got health condition your high risk issue, stay home. So, you're not going to be affected by me out in the public wearing a mask or not. I'm putting myself more at risk than you are. To be honest with you. It's like the whole vaccines thing and I said this the other day. If I don't get the vaccine, why do you care? I'll be the one who suffers or dies. Not You seventy face? If you want to I'm not. GonNa Complain. Pat Passing. You you pass the biscuits. He meant floating this. which was something new? That's disgusting. No. Call in and hold and say that I don't know what he meant. Do That's disgusting. Person should call him a person. A? Listener. You get. Down for dinner. Mario says listen. I want to refer to me as Gender. Neutral from them. Against that would never happen. It happens no passenger status. UN has said that you can call your husband anymore you done. He's still my husband I am his wife. That is the way it will always be. Don't ever say you have sons again. You have children. That's all you do Tucson's I do do not denault gender to them. How dare he how? Future is at risk I'll tell you. You gotTA. You gotTA call somebody who owns a business the governor. How stupid we've become. Really very quite governor. Shift on Saturday. Shot Up. For one pags, it just dumb, eight nine, four one. Eight, eight nine for one, seven, two four seven. JOEPAGS DOT COM. Governor Gavin newsom in California. Clearly a horrible governor, theses a monarch. He was nice to the president for a little while. He's still kind of Nice to him because he wants some more money, but can you imagine going this low? In trying to get that money I mean. Can you imagine? Saying that these people be the first people to go. If you don't send me some more Washington DC money, carry if you don't mind from the blaze California Democratic Governor Gave News told CNN Jake. Tapper on Sunday that of estate does not receive federal financial assistance. First responders will be the first government employees to get laid off house Democrats past three trillion dollar relief bill. Bill last week, but Senate majority leader Mitch, McConnell said the bill is dead on arrival the Senate. The bill includes five hundred billion dollars for state governments and three, hundred, seventy, five billion for local governments access reported, newsom said California was running a twenty one point five billion dollar surplus a year ago, but now has a fifty four point three billion dollar deficit because. Because of the cove in nineteen pandemic. Can you explain what you think will happen to California? If the federal government does not give you money to help you out, tap, arrest, newsom quote, I hope they'll consider this the next time they want to salute and celebrate. Our heroes are first. Responders are police, officers and firefighters considered the fact that they are the first ones. Ones will be laid off by cities and counties. newsom responded. The folks are out there the true heroes of this pandemic or healthcare workers and nurses, those county health systems have been ravaged. Their budgets have been devastated and depleted, and the budget counts depleted since this pandemic. They're the first ones to be laid off, so we've got to square are rhetoric with the reality. Just under stand, so he's actually saying. We're going to lay off the first responders. I. Yes, they will be the first ones. There's nothing else there's no. Pork. In the state or local governments that can be laid off before first responders can be in other words. This is another. This is the new pandemic way of saying. What about the children in or they say? They want to build a local library. It's GONNA cost forty million dollars, and like we'll have forty million dollars in the budget. What about the Children With I have children. Carry someone happens. We have five children. Yes, daughters, none of my children. The eldest is twenty eight. The youngest is five. Now what am I ever Said Dad? I just want to go to the library. Not One. Because, they have devices and computers, they can look things up. It'll. They could read things online. Watch a youtube video. Nobody is saying you need to. What about children? Why don't you care about children in their reading abilities, you know. Same thing here. What about the first responders? This is actually a vital need. This isn't even as unnecessary as some millage. For some dumb thing. The government wants to do. This is actually the first responders that will save your life. You've got covid nineteen. What are you trying to do? Is Gender rage at people in California's as well trump better be given us that twenty eight billion dollars because he does it. What about the first responders? What am I come down with the COVID WHO's GonNa Save. Your the pags wearing a mask I'll probably get to covert from him. You better be sending me my money. or This is GonNa be crazy, crazy suggestion for those who've listened to California and you know I love you I mean love. Girl. Disturbing. Cinematic Girl Now so. Those of you in California need to realize what he's doing. He's trying to put you in a panic in suggesting that you're gonNA. Get Sick if the federal government doesn't come through, you knows that asking for more federal government, money is Texas and Florida. State income tax. Low regulation smaller government lower taxes better atmosphere for business. They somehow have a balanced bottom line. Whereas California is in the red by billions and billions of dollars. So what's different? What's different is how they govern is how they run the joint. That's what's different. Yet this guy. He knows his hand out still waiting for some more federal money. As funny because Cornyn was talking about this earlier. If you missed it, you shouldn't have shows. Only three hours of the show you can give was three hours. Hello. All right at twenty twenty one other hours. That's right. Twenty four dollars in your pocket me three. You said a big deal. Thank you! Yeah three hours how day? So. We got California's being run horribly. You've got other states. Arena run really well, and those run really well, which by the way are open again? California's not. They're getting by just fine. California is not. But corden said this earlier I think. Got What. Fifteen billion dollars in the first one. And he was asking for more immediately. According said he could not have spent it yet. He just got it. He's already asking for. That's a problem with places run. Let me say this again and this is not meat. Originating a phrase. This isn't gonNA. Grab somebody else's raise. 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They need secret grand jury materials from Muller Investigation to determine whether or not to impeach. President. Donald Trump again. CNN! Reported at the House Judiciary Committee led by ranking member representatives Jerry Nadler as been seeking to obtain the witness materials held by the Justice Department for months, and now as the case is set to go before the Supreme Court. The committee is not shying away from saying they want the documents to see if new articles of impeachment could be brought in a court filing. Filing. General Counsel Douglas. Letter was handpicked by Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi wrote that the committees impeachment investigation related to obstruction of justice, pertaining the Russia investigation is ongoing. If this material reveals new evidence supporting the conclusion that president trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the articles adopted by the House, the committee will proceed accordingly, including if necessary by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment letter continued, and the Justice Department has asked the Supreme Court to block the release of materials until it was able to review them, arguing that once Congress views the materials, their secrecy will irrevocably be lost. So, the Democrats are actually looking to impeach the guy again keeping that that option open. Again. They want to what say well. He's GonNa. Go down in history. As the first president to be impeached twice. What's interesting is like yesterday. There was some something happening on one of the social media networks in some person said. Yeah, he's going to go down in history as always haven't been impeached. I'm like an exonerated. And found not guilty. And innocent of all charges. What is your question here? And what does impeaching him again do do they think that'll make people less apt to vote for him? Those of us who believe in with the guy has done for the last two years are going to vote for him. Those of us who know how good the economy was going into this horrible Chinese virus situation. are going to vote for him again. Those of us who enjoy lower taxes and lower regulations so that we can prosper as Americans are going to vote for him. If impeach him again. Carry just a guess. Do you think sixty seven senators this time to convict him? Saint Him, of course not. Of course not. Even close. They know they have no chance of of doing this successfully. So then why do it? And the first time every time I had a senator on every time. I had a congressman on anytime. I had anybody on from Washington, who was in the no I would ask a simple question. Why are they doing this? They can't win. He's not GONNA be convicted. He's going to be removed and he would always be well probably just so they could say they did it all right well, you did it. Why are you gotTa do it again? I mean carry. There's some sort of delusion in the minds of these people that they can actually remove this time. I don't know there might be some that think that. That will never give up hope of impeaching him again. Nobody asked me what she thought of Jerry. Now shape and I believe so well. She said that she felt the president was morbidly obese. They say. I just wondered maybe Jake Tapper next. Has Honor Don limit or somebody or or interesting? Combination New Baby Wyatt I? You'll know why that's important I the. Clip. What did they? What you said that? Why didn't they explain it? I don't know why it was my was. My brother was my father's. He's giving something. On the. One. But I would like to know of Anderson Cooper's going to say well. lay speaker Miss Speaker whether the hell. Her any thoughts Jerry now shape keep. No, they will never do that his BMI. Ended eight nine for one PAGS, nine, four, one, seventy, four seventy. You want the president to be impeached again. Do you want the left to do this again? I kind of hope they do. I'll be honest with you. It was a sham last time, and it may look completely foolish, and they had egging their faces again have at it. We've got a bill and Tulsa. What's on your mind? Hi! Joe, thank you protect your my cool real quickly. Democrats should be jumping down the joy if the president is taking this. Because it. You know it's supposedly doesn't work, so they would should be happy that his demise I've been predicting all along that they would impeach him I. would be surprised if they don't do it. During the election cycle, actually work it back then it's their only power. It's their only voice you know they have to feed their people their the rabbit supporters. They have to be doing something, and that's the only power that they have is to try to impeach the if he wins reelection. I'm sure they'll impeach next time, too, but I wouldn't be surprised. I've been predicting this long as they would have been that during the election cycle, he would it the impression. Of course it's useless, but. A and if anything. I got like you. Go ahead and do it because his popularity rises. You know the people they don't like it. People don't like to see this kind of thing. Anyway, that's good. Let your city. I was down there. Appreciate, it, thanks. Nine, four, one, eight, eight, nine, four, one, seven, four, seven. They won't be able to impeach if he gets reelected. The, I'm hoping that the House will go republicans. If the Democrats. Keep the House I want people to understand. It's going to be the president's GonNa win again. It's GONNA be four years of his BS four more years to this garbage. Would they bring false cases? False allegations were they just try to keep him in the courts nonstop, and on his heels, instead of working with him to try to figure out how to make a better America. This is why the House of Representatives needs to go back to the Republicans, but if they get controlling, they're going to do better than they did last time. Paul Ryan sought as a speaker of the house. He was bad mark meadows would be. and. Maybe that's what what would happen. When we come back is going to be interview with Andy, Biggs. He's a representative of the Great State of Arizona. He's pushing some legislation that you're. Starting your, day, without Senate, Antonio's first news makes as much sense merging to. While wearing a blindfold. Traffic and weather every ten minutes on the tens plus all the music information. You need to start your day tomorrow morning. Starting at five, he was radio twelve hundred. River deals, patients and JOEPAGS DOT COM facebook twitter instagram email alright there plus the live video feed is the Joe Pags show, thanks for stopping by glad to have back representative from Arizona, distract five. It's the Republican Andy Biggs you. Great, how you doing Joe. I'm living the dream and it's always a pleasure to talk to you. I appreciate you coming on today. couple of things going on I've got to start with with a Pelosi the speaker of the House and we know that because she constantly talks about how she's the speaker of the House. I think that that's more important, just having the title that actually doing it in good for the American people, but this is the thing Nancy Pelosi. That came back. From vacation wherever the heck she was to tell Chuck Schumer the Senate. No, you can't do. The cares act until you at all this green new deal garbage that really happened. She delayed a relief for the American people by a full week. Now she's come up with. Something called the Heroes Act. which isn't just like the is not an affordable care act just like net neutrality isn't net neutrality Now you've got the heroes. Heroes Act which basically would give blanket amnesty to those here illegally, give them a bunch of money hand out from the federal government, and also mentions for some reason marijuana. I think sixty eight times in the bill, and it's worth three trillion dollars when you saw this a were you surprised by what a Boondoggle it was and be What do we do about it? Senate just stop this start from scratch again. What happens? Yeah a part of it. No I was not surprised in the least well. I shouldn't say that because we heard rumors around two trillion dollars. which you know when you start banding about trillions of dollars, it just Kinda. You know you get to oppose. But then when it came at three point two I think we were all surprised I talked to Democrat friends who said they were stunned by? They said we'll never vote on that Andy. And then sure enough. We voted on it and. I think we're fourteen Democrats. They say no some of them. The squad, even more you know, free crap for people that don't deserve and and the others were actually moderates. Who voted with you and said yeah, we shouldn't be doing this, but somehow she sees the through. Yeah well it shows I think her story is this. That it's a marker, and so so when this this is, the point be is. She's laid out the markers that if she could get this. That would be just like a dream, right? and by the way speaking of marijuana my understanding. Marijuana. Brownies or smoke marijuana to really think that that's a good bill, but anyway. When you start moving along with this. She laid the marker, and that means your question. What are we supposed to do with it well? Senator McConnell needs to public relief for rip kind of the the State of the Union. Yeah because she did not even acknowledge this as a starting point for negotiations. This is so bad that you just simply ignore it. Decide if you if you want to do something else he needs to. He needs to go ahead and do something else, but to say well, you know. Let's negotiate things like liability protection for small business. Be What's going to happen. Oh, she's, she won't like it, but she's willing to give that up for maybe what five hundred billion dollars and keep a two point eight trillion dollars in spending and plus. Plus all the power that comes to the central government, and and you know funding for planned parenthood, and all the other awful things that are in this bill. I think without a doubt. He should rip it up probably too thick and all that he can rip it up, but you're right. You know it's like when you go for real estate. Deal you, WanNa buy a house in the house worth five. Five hundred thousand dollars, and you offer them to fifty and the and the seller just says we're not going to negotiate with you that stupid If you want to come back with a real offer will listen to you. That's just dumb I. Think you're right I think that she's throwing it up as a trial balloon. How much of this garbage that I had in this bill will will exist and will will. Will Survive, and the Easter should be none. Go back to the drawing board or else. You'RE NOT GONNA. Have a bill at all, and we're GONNA. Tell the American people how ridiculous you were. It's any big district five Republican. The Great State of Arizona. You are bringing of legislation to protect small businesses, an all businesses from frivolous lawsuits lawsuits. Are there that we're talking about when it has to do with covid nineteen? Well there's two. There's two ways they're going to. And there'll be several different forms, but number one is employees are going to employers and say We're already seeing some of this You know you didn't provide me adequate protection. We should never have been here at Cetera and and that they're going to claim that. Regardless of how assiduously that the employer followed CDC guidelines operated under the terms of a reasonable person. it operating in essential business. The second thing is you're going to get people who interface with the public and the public's GonNa come in. He's going to be sick or get sick or they got sick at your place, and they're gonNa sue you for that. So that's to. There's that's really. Common ways that you're GonNa, see this happen, and then you've got to see trial. Lawyers GonNA. Come in and say let's create these class massive class action suits to go after you know a major retailer or a major manufacturer or something like that, and and and go that way, so my bills, an attempt to at least for cases that would be otherwise brought into the Federal District Court. Because we you know right now. Most most of these types of cases are resolved in state courts, so it's going to be up to the state. Courts state legislatures to resolve this issue there and I know a lot of states are actually doing that. It is up to us for cases that. Normally find their way like diversity jurisdiction type of case might come into the federal court. We've got to make sure that those the same protections exist at the federal level enough support to make this happen or or would blows the group say forget it. There is there's enough support within Republicans in the House to get it done, but we don't have enough votes, so we have to get folks to come along and we get some of them. We get some of them to clover the question whether we can get enough, and whether Pelosi will feel enough pressure from her side because one of their biggest funders as you know, is the trial lawyers? The lawyers are not going to want to have any kind of protection for for these folks as badly as they've acted for the people, they allegedly represent the left needs to be. Be Done in November. This should actually be very easy to turn the house back of a Republicans, but you get the feeling from these polls and again these polls can be very very wrong and probably are that people aren't getting the clue that the reason why California and Illinois and Michigan and New York are having such issues. is because of their their own overwhelming regulation and taxation like Gavin newsom wants twenty one billion dollars more from you guys to the Federal Government, whereas Florida and Texas don't need a dime. Their balance sheets are are their budgets are balanced. What's the difference? The difference is not really the weather. The Difference Release Palm Trees The differences that you've got a monarchy and Gavin newsom that you've got somebody representing the people in Greg Abbott or or disabled us. How do you? How do you convince the American people listening right now? That this November is really go time to get the responsible people back in charge in Washington. Well. You just you just have to look at everything from I mean you can talk about President Trump's record. Most pro-life excellent on judiciary worked hard on solving the illegal immigration crisis, and gave us the best economy in our history prior to nine weeks ago and this and the virus, and he didn't mandate that the state shutdown they provided guidelines, and it was different states taking different approaches, so for instance and you have to. To point these differences in California, did you get what you got? Gavin? NEWSOM who basically locked down your entire state, and created a fifty six billion dollar deficit in two and a half months, and his solution is not to open up the economy and let people be free. His solution is to actually open up the prisons and let the criminals go out. That's his solution I. Mean and you had to point out these very. Stark distinctions, and I think as people see this Then you, then you, you can. Always you always go back to Joe Biden, but you have to realize while we're in the middle of this instead of standing unitedly trying to resolve these issues. The Democrats are fighting in the supreme. Court, to it, knowledge that they are in the midst of the second impeachment effort of Donald Trump. That's the the Idiocy that we have I. There's there's so rabid. They're in their vitriolic allocate of president trump. They don't really care about solving these more vexing problems. People do not sit on their hands of their conservative or Republican. You're a moderate leaning, left or leading right. You've got to take a look and see whether these people have actually been representing you. This guy has been in the district five representative, the State of Arizona any big any also the Fourth Amendment Restoration Act I hate the idea that we have to restore. Restore the fourth of because it exists, and nothing should've should've superseded it anyway, but you're right. Our our right to privacy are right to not be surveilled our rights to to not have somebody you know. Force us to our mask or take our temperature when we're walking down the street or whatever that has been taken away and again these small monarchy's these dictatorships in some of these states are usurping taking away our fourth amendment rights. So, what is this actually say? What does it do this act that you want? Well, we're we're. We're really striving to do a couple of things. We WanNA. Make sure that when government is going to interfere in your life and surveillance that the basically we get back to the norms that that have governed the United States for well over two hundred years. That is to say the police apparatus needs to get Go to the an article, three court present a probable cause why they should be able to interfere in your life and survey. You seize your whatever it may be. That is so critical. to restoring the civil rights and you have seen this abuse and and unfortunately so many Americans acquiesced to it so quickly. with this with this outbreak here so i. think that's that's really what we're trying to get at it. It's It's unfortunately a bill whose time has come, and and what I never would have thought we would need something like that in this country, and we've tried to define and make sure. That that the constraints are left there on the police power because as you know, power is corrupting is corrupting influence and I love our police I I support them but we also have to realize that government's job is to protect the rights of its citizens. Not Not to usurp those rights, and to represent us, not Lord over us. It is a representative district Republican the Great State of Arizona Andy, biggs, but one last thing as as things start winding down with coronavirus We keep on getting. You know varying reports on the numbers of people who are dying in fact in Colorado because of a lawsuit. They had to adjust their number down because this country for some reason. I think Dr Burks actually said. We're GONNA. Do this would. Would, it be very liberal about how we count the people? So many dies in a car accident or there was a guy in Colorado died from alcohol poisoning. He happened to also have corona virus. They call it a corona virus death, do you? Do you have any idea why they're doing this? We don't know a true number of who died by this virus. Because we're art officially, inflating the numbers by directive of like Dr burks Doctor Fauci. Wise is happening. Do we know? Well I I'm not going to get in their heads, and and and speculated the motivation, but we'll say she made that statement, and all of a sudden you son, New York. I make adjustments one of thirty, seven, hundred, another of eighteen hundred and and so it really inflated that and now Dr Burkes is come out within the last week and said well. You know what I think. We've over inflated well. You gave the instructions. And there's probably why she knows. Where over planning, because because she's estimating by at least twenty five percent, and and I and I stress at least twenty five percent, and that's critical, because in a state like Arizona the data, and the science is so critical when states are opening up the meet the media tax, the governor tax the media tax, anybody who supports the governor. Governor attacks people who are protesting wanting to get back to work because they so you're gonNA YOU'RE GONNA kill US panic. That is that it engenders is is It's overblown, the truth and that number Andy is what informs us on what are we can open or not? That number as vital vital data, and we're playing games with it I just want to know why. Well I my speculation is there are people that that WANNA keep us closed i. Yeah I what I'm GonNa, tell you it's probably nothing new. Joe, but is is if the if the Democrats were somehow if Joe Biden were somehow to be elected president in November the day after the election they the Democrats would be clamoring for to us to open up the. We keep a close until that day, though in total until election day. I truly believe would love to do that. I could talk to you all day. I appreciate you taking the time. His district five Republican the Great State of Arizona Andy Biggs. Let's do it again, okay? You. Bet Your thanks, so and we're back after this on the Joe pags show reiter. This is Joe pags show. newsradio twelve hundred w away. I switch around in different stations for music, but for news I only go to W. O. A. I. newsradio Twelve Hundred W. Great to have you welcome to the thanks, it's the Joe pags. Show you appreciate representative bigs coming on. Good guy doing good thing for Arizona, in for the entire country, we appreciate you as well. 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Episode 57 Senator John T. Montford
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Senator Johnny Montfort has done more in his lifetime than most people could do in twelve lifetimes and getting to sit down with someone like him. That is so accomplished. So kind in his just had such a remarkable career was a true joy a no. You're going to enjoy listening to this conversation just picking up all the the nuggets of that. He throws throughout the entire conversation. It was really really just a blast to pick his brain. So I know you're gonNA enjoy this. Let me give you a little bit about Senator monstrance background. John Mafia has served as an independent director of southwest airlines since two thousand and two in currently chairs its audit committee committee. He is the CEO of JT consulting a government relations advisory firm based in Texas. John held top roles with GM AT and T. and was Chancellor of Texas Tech University System. Prior to establishing his own consulting firm John Served as senior adviser for Global Public Policy for General Motors Company from January first two, thousand, ten to January two, thousand, twelve at GM. For GM public policy for federal, state, and International, as well as the GM foundation John was a member of the GM executive committee from January first two, thousand, ten to May. First two thousand eleven prior to joining GM. John served as the senior vice president of state. Legislative Affairs for at and T. following the two thousand, five merger of SBC and at and T. he served as president of the Western Region for at responsible for twenty three states west of the Mississippi from two thousand to two thousand five. John was President of external affairs for southwestern bell he joined SBC now at and T. and September of two, thousand one. John was the two thousand, five chairman of the Greater San Antonio Chamber of Commerce a catalyst for Economic Development San Antonio with over two thousand members from two thousand, seven to two, thousand, ten. John was President of the Board of the National Western Art Foundation for which he personally secured the lead gift to create the Dauth Janey Briscoe National Western Art Museum in San Antonio. John was also chair of the Advisory Committee for the Texas Parks. Wildlife Department he served as chairman of the Development Board of the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio President of the San Antonio. Independent. School. District Foundation from two, thousand, eight, two, thousand, ten. Before joining SBC John Was Texas Tech University's First Chancellor, the chief executive officer of the university system. He was named Chancellor Emeritus in two thousand one John served as a member of the Texas Senate for fourteen years during his tenure in the Senate he served as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee and Chairman of the Senate state. Affairs. Committee Texas monthly named Senator Montfort among the. Top Ten best legislators for five legislative sessions. John was an active duty officer in the United States Marine. Corps from sixty eight to seventy one after his military service he served as an elected district attorney. John received his bachelor's degree in political science and juris doctorate degree from the University of Texas at Austin John His wife Debbie are the proud parents of three children and five grandchildren. WHO. Folks. Sit Back and enjoy listening to my friend. Senator John Montfort, a true true Texas Titan I know you're going to enjoy this. Thank you so much for being here. I, really appreciate it. Or Texas to. Okay, we're in north, Texas. Like bridgeport, which is zone trinity at Song. One of the best kept secrets in Texas might not be any more since I said. Well yeah no kidding. I've never been up there all the lights though. That way I mean I remember back when I was a little kid we used to have a lake lot on Lake Cypress Springs and now I mean, all of that has blown up I mean lake fork or by knows about that, and then you know for the longest even possum kingdom with off the right art. Now that's just you know. It's it's crazy if there's a body of water in Texas people are people are finding it. Sure took the summer. That's really New Getaway. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely art will will senator. Let's just let's dive into the conversation now it turns out I guess you and I have mutual friends in the McKenzie's going to euro at your Texas tech the ball is that correct? Absolutely Mickey McKenzie's He. Has Been Very generous to Texas tech northville terrific along I I never went to tech that's kind of a Closely, guarded secret I guess well I I knew that because you know our our connection in John Atkins, his you know. You like Kim I'm sure you bleed that burnt orange. So but I I look forward to hearing how you got a major way to to tech and everything in back to Mackenzie in the Mackenzie family. So his son Ryan and I grew up together actually texted Ryan last night. Let him know that you be talking today Mickey has is one of the most generous individuals the sweetest kindest people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing and that is just the one of my favorite families in the whole world and and he and Ryan, and I are going to try to get together and get on the podcast in one of the things that I. That maybe I'll I'll get you to to to maybe help with I would love to do something when things are back a little bit more normal on the campus of tech at the business school kind of do some interviews with some some alumni there and it's really been Kinda wild because even though I'm an SFA Undergrad, I went to business school that somew- I have had if there's one school that I've had the most alumni on from I believe it's probably Texas tech at this point. I. Have had a lot of red writers and so even though you're a different sort of an alumni as the former chancellor, which is no small, no small involvement there. Still. Red. The Red Raiders are making a mighty presence on the Texas tight podcasts which which speak pretty well at the university I would say you know Texas tech was a great school as one of the greatest jobs I ever had the. Privilege of serving and you saw blade bleed orange I kind of believe both ways. Yes. Schizophrenic when the two teams play I. I just have so many great memories of Texas Tech. You know you know I never met anybody went to tech didn't like it? Yeah. Yeah. We starting to remember school well. Let's. Here's the thing and I'm calling you senator I could call you chancellor I call you your honor I mean what? Roma? Komi. Well. That works. But the reason? I. Say that is because. You much like what I, what I hope to. You know throughout the course of my life. You WanNa live that proverbial life well lived so that when whenever you reach the end you br able to say Well done and. Thus, far along your journey John, it has been just just paved with just leadership dedication service There's so many things that you have done in your career. So I guess what I like to do is to just start from the beginning Now are you originally from your from West Texas originally right? Well I was born and at Harris, hospital in Fort Worth Texas. Day. Father had mom and dad had moved there from bridgeport. That's where they came from. And my dad worked at at that time I was called consolidated aircraft. And So that's where I really started out over on Thinking was West Tenth Street. And then you know a a lot of places in San. Obviously but still very fond of Fort Worth just we just love Texas, you know we lived law different parts of taxes that we love San Antonio or living now. Yeah. Texas a great place great place to grow up in raise a family. Is. Your family from Texas originally or were you. What generation are you? Well I, I am my. I think I am a fifth generation Texan Myself. A. Lot of John mantras that preceded. Grandson, we call him John The fifth. Wow. Wow. Well, that's that's that's good to know. I'M A fifth generation myself at and so you know we Texans I always tell people the I tell them right up front unlike those obnoxious Texans that Kinda think that we're a very special place on on not only in. America. On this earth. You know having been our own country before you so just understand I'm very proud about Texas heritage. So I love it whenever I have the multigeneration taxes on the show for sure. Given, the title you can tell I'm kind of partial to our to the lone star state. Me Too well. So where does so okay. So you spent time in in Fort Worth now, where does your Where does your career began because if I'm not mistaken, you start out in the business world and then it kind of leads into service and so kind of take me through that and let's start digging into some of those those things that that that made you successful along the way. Well after I graduated from ut the Vietnam War was going full steam. I had been admitted to law school. I had our received my commission as a second lieutenant in the Marine Corps. And active duty, and then I got this memorandum from headquarters is. So now we desperately need lawyers you've been admitted law school. So go ahead and go to law school. So it is I went right into ut law school and graduated. And immediately went on active duty after that and I was I served in the Jag. Portion of the Marine Corps of course if you're a marine, you're just a marine not so much. Your your title but that was my son. Imo military occupation specially, I tried. One hundred and forty general court marshals when I was on active duty while that's that was a pretty Pretty Quick Dr Nation from somebody just out LAS would imagine. Wow. Wow. So how long were you ella you serve Served on active duty, three years and then. Relocated, in Lubbock Texas Okay I guess our I still. Got You. And so so you got to live in. That's whenever you and you still stayed in the public sector. Correct. Well, I started out there with the law firm, Marion Key warlick Carr at a firm there lubbock and I started there. Okay and I started I enjoyed litigation. So ultimately, I left that firm started my. Own Firm and then For an an I run for public office Iran for District Attorney. I think I was. Twenty eight or twenty nine years old district attorney level counting I got forty six percent of the vote and lost. And I'll never forget my mentors were great lawyer named Jim Mile Governor Preston Smith at the time now. San How lost this race and they said, well, we'll tell you why you lost the People Lubbock. Don't trust a man with a mustache. And Governor Cysts Smith's it while you're at it, get rid of those two tone shoes so. I, mean. Clinical. So four years around again I got seventy nine point eight percent of the vote a shave my mustache cut my hair. got a solid pair brown shoes in slid into office. Hours or first public offers are held and served. As DA, for four years I love it. Now, let's talk a little bit about that because one of the things about it senator what the cool thing about the Texas Titans podcast is. A stay away from from the the ideology of politics but you and I been. Around politics for for a long long time I have as well and. I was a councilman in Tyler and a ran for Congress and didn't win that right. So I to. You know one in lost and I've always told people there's nothing that you will never completely understand what it's like. With regard to running for office until you've actually had your name on the ballot so take me back to that first race where a mustache lip two-tone a colored she wearing a John Moppert lost his first race. But what did you learn from that and then how did that shape not only? Your attack for the next race. But just how shape in general because I've learned that sometimes losing is one of the best education that we can ever get. So talk about how that shakes you. You're right about that Jason. It is an important lesson in life I think. it just from a perception when I was I looked a little young to be district attorney. I. had campaigned hard ahead a good organization. But. a lot of time I think the thing I learned most is for people to vote for you. They really have to identify with you. And you have to be. We're convincing that they can trust you and believe in you believe what you're doing. And So it was an important lesson of there's nothing quite like losing an election. It's one of the lows dislike whining. One of the high. Hyphen. Absolutely. I figure everybody needs to lose at least one election to really get. A baptism into life right I agree I agree it is an incredible experience. Well and you know you say something there John that reminds me I just I'm reading a book right now by guiding Simon Sinek Beria. Popular. Author. Speaker and consultant. and. He wrote this book Start With Y. And you touched on something I think that you probably in in that that race people have to trust you. They have to know not what you're GonNa do so much y you're doing it I think that's one of the things that a lot of political leaders business leaders. Product. Developers they miss you know. Senate he created what's called the the Golden Circle which on the furthest outside is like what we do and then inside, it's how we do it but at the core of it is why we do it in. So you mentioning that made me think. His philosophy on that. How going forward and because I know that as you went through your career, you you took on some things that were very tough positions for the state of Texas to try to convince Texans that things you know certain things in the gaming industry and that sort of thing. So that would follow you. So what disciplines did you start to? Implement, to scale that trust and help people understand the why of what you were doing? I think to some when you approach public office and you serve in public office, I firmly believe you have to have sort of business plan going in what you want to accomplish what you intend to do while you WanNa do it I think of all if I look back on all my careers I think I've had about fifteen. A. Lot of people say I can't hold a job. All been rewarding and exciting I just feel so blessed but I think networking is probably yet no one term that would sum up certainly your ability to succeed in politics. Now, politics is radically changed since Iran for DA and since I ran for the Senate. It is social media blitz. Now, it's quite different There are no secrets. Lecture they ask me said Hey. It was a graduate class. In business school and they said Hey tell us how how we can be successful how we can get to be sweet how we can be. Corporate CEO say well, two things don't get a Dwi don't get hooked on prescription drugs and. They were they were kind of stunned. But I said you know we'll see. So many careers messed up which just Really bad decisions like that and You know it is. important I think to keep that long-term vision because today if you're going to be in the public. Third, you have no secret. I mean everything is fair game. There's no such thing as off the record anymore. So but but I think in looking back networking in my my network of friends and supporters and. You Know College Friends Business Friends Social Friends Church friends all all of my friends are probably the most valuable possession that I have planned that way through my life and. Certainly. I. Had I'm married a really good-looking West. Texas, Gal. And the Earth. We've got. A We have successful children on Right now life as I. Walk on not a spring chicken anymore I still work and I remain active because it keeps. Keeps me going I enjoy that? Yeah. But I think the thing I want to do now is make sure my six grandkids have the opportunity. To Go to college. That's very important than they will and quality education. I you know as I talk about that a lot on the podcast, you know I, myself a first generation college graduate and as such I have always plays such an emphasis on on a college degree and and getting that education because I think education. Equals Freedom so I do WANNA touch on that here in a little bit. But one of the things I wanNA stick with real quick is is just the importance because a lot of the the audience that of the Titans podcasts there either entrepreneurs business people and you know there are some younger summer that are in the middle of their career summer you know in the twilight Gio but primarily, it's that that that new professional to mid point professional I think that that listens to the show from the demographics unable to get and what you said about networking I could not agree. More with brought it up on the show numerous times as a matter of fact, your proof of that because John Atkins who his name I mean the audience probably knows as much about John Atkins is I do about some of the guests that I've had on because he has been a mentor of mine for now over Gosh, it's been over twenty years. So two decades and for and it just it to me it's a this interview is a testimony to that that the reason I get to sit down with with accomplished leaders like yourself is because I have maintained a friendship. With John Atkins who therefore, I've been able to tap into his abundant wealth of network to to meet people. So you think you're so right and I've I've heard it said that you know your your network is your net worth and that's so true and some people they kind of have they look upon that is like well or you just you know using friendships as a commodity. Not to my mind. So that is absolutely not if you do it right then they're not doing your network is what you just mentioned. It is friends people that you have scaled that trust with them and they're when you say, Hey, I've got an idea for to launch a business or I'm I'm starting a podcast and I wanNA talk to interesting people or whatever the case may be. Those are the people that will actually move the needle for you. So I think that what you said there is very, very solid advice. And I know the principle of always followed in business. Any success that I've had frankly should be attributed teams of the people that I put together to. To just to serve as a team to accomplish a goal, I think you have to surround yourself with quality people people that have integrity people you can trust and people that have. Vision capabilities that and then give them room to flourish Ryan. I've always followed that principle and it served me very well. So, and I could not agree more on what you said as far as giving them room to flourish. I, think that you know I was talking to someone here a business leader here recently, who made the point that one of the things the best things that they have started doing and learned that they need to do is not only give people the opportunity to succeed but give them the opportunity to fail and realize it's okay to fail. As long as you learn something from it, you know that a good mentor is gonNA give. Enough, rope it, and because you can't really pursue big things without you know some failure in some bumps along the way. Would you agree? Absolutely. Now losing an election or just one one failure that had a lasting. Impression on me but but. You know you're going to need throughout life. It's going to be a series of hits and misses you gonNA fail at some endeavors but. Again it's your ability to rebound. Refocus that I think is is critical. You just can't let it get you down this tough. Competitive World out there in the business world is tough as was the political world. So right you're going to have failures I mean, I've had. Bills that that I really wanted to pass and I'd come. One. Vote Short I've had. A lot of experiences that sort of mold your character but you just I like what Churchill said about never. Just gotTa keep after. It's absolutely. You know it's gotTa have stamina and determination because you're not GonNa succeed at everything you try to do it's just mathematically, probably impossible. So. Anyway how the one thing I wanted to mention about Texas though that SORTA permeates my View of the state is that we have so many great. Colleges and universities community colleges so many. Different educational opportunities that traverse entire state I. think that's one thing and and has made Texas Great. Whether. You're in the valley or the panhandle, the piney Woods East, Texas, or more West Texas. We've got a lot of great universities, a lot of great colleges and Universities Greg Community colleges, I mean these these I really believe in Texas. If you WANNA get an education, we've got the AC, the access and the ability to get you there. So that's one thing I think that SORTA differentiates. Texas. From a lot of the other states if you look at Astray graphically you know we've done a pretty good job locating universities for you can get to them. We also have a lot of great. Private. University. Ama- The state support those were tuition a corporation grant. So I think Texas is a great place to get an education we're blessed to have so many are really terrific colleges universities. And opportunities I'm real keen on community colleges I think they feel or the workforce to give people a lot of opportunities law great training. So we're blissed let's face it. I could not agree more and I mean you look at you if you just go outside of not only. Texas but outside of the United States, just looking at the the globe is a whole where I sit right here in Tyler Texas to have a four year university, the quality of the University of Texas at Tyler A, and now we're about to have a medical school a Research Hospital Tyler Junior College you talking about Community Colleges? Tyler Junior. College is one of the most. Quality institutions that you're gonNA find anywhere in the state and You know that is something that is that I think is remarkable that you're right even in these rural areas, and here's one of the really cool things Saddam seeing John Throughout the state is that there are a lot of maker organizations and business incubators in in little bitty communities, for example, a gentleman that. I've worked with on some legislative issues got an Alan sloughed or milk in Marshall Texas. Engineer by trade An inventor himself very successful entrepreneur. He has put together a group to where they're trying to encourage entrepreneurship ideas in innovation in Marshall Texas you know, and then like here in Tyler I sit on the board of the Tyler Innovation pipeline which is to give. Those inventors, those craftsmen whatever the case may be anybody everything from trying to start a woodworking business to try to understand how to monetize three printing you can go to the tyler innovation pipeline. It's a public private partnership in conjunction with with UT Tyler. Now, we're doing some work with TJ C. to encourage further hands on education and I think that you're I'm glad you brought that up because I think Texas being a frontier pioneering state and often mystic arch preneurs. very you know that that buried determinant determine kind of mindset a couple that with the quality of education that we have it's not. It's. It's it's not a real mystery as to why Texas has the place it does in not only are union, but in the world when you agree Oh absolutely I remember when I was in the Senate I, was chairman of Senate Finance I went over there tyler, they were doing some pioneer research at through a medical facility take. The UT had at that point. And it may have been upper level at that time but. I was just blown away the quality people. you know doing that research was pioneering research and so you going I gave a commencement one time. So Ross Way. Stacks is Alpine. I was just totally impressed by the quality that faculty. Way Out there in deep west Texas and yet you know they they really had a first rate factly so You know we've done a pretty good job. I think statewide of giving these opportunities i. hope we never ever. SCALE BACK high-grade. Okay. So You've been elected to the DA out there in as the a out in Lubbock you've got you know again your you've got a razor and you've worked you're wearing the right. She's now what how long were you the District Attorney and did you run? Did you go from DA to state senator or was? Were you a state representative between that? I can't remember no no wasn't housebroken as they call. Right. Thanks for where. I had a pretty good tenure the because level was having some serious. Crime problems on. I. I I don't know about the you know hindsight of this but my nickname was Jon t ninety nine and I did lock up the bad ones. I went after a lot of violent criminals on focused on violent bad bad crime and. To. This day the Texas Rangers were so appreciative of the job I did. They gave me driver's license number ninety nine. Hundred Sixty rose and ninety nine people think that I'm one hundred, fifty years old. That is great beating in showing my driver license. Yeah. Don't speed very often, but I have been stopped and they dislike how old Could I still carry that but I I ran for. The Senate my last year's district attorney was. In a spirited primary in a hotly contested jar election and I was fortunate in prevailing with a comfortable margin and started my service in the Texas Senate after being district attorney. At what years were you in the Senate? A served from nineteen eighty, three to nineteen, ninety, six Kate Lifton, ninety, six to become the. First Chancellor Texas Tech University system that's okay. Okay. That's because I couldn't remember I thought you were there. Just. About what five years before Kevin Altai. Got Elected. No are limits Elta. A successful model. Great. Senator he he to this day there are so many compromises at he helped make. they he is really missed in the Senate I. Think he's probably running the UT board of regents now which. Small Job I. Don't know if he's still chair, but he is he is. Whatever? He's been a great public servant I'll you well, and that's why bring Kevin Up. He's a he's a close friend and a in a mentor of mine as well. I think the world of Kevin and you know when he was actually one of the very first guest on the pockets matter of fact, I think. He might have been the second or third person I had, and we're I'm into the fifty plus now episodes and so just I think the world of Kevin and one of the things that I talked to him about during his time in the Senate again because it's not so much an ideological question. But I knew that that's Kevin's reputation is he was he was very focused on getting things done for East Texas not from such an ideological standpoint, but from a practical standpoint. So you know and I know that your reputation was very similar to Kevin's in the in the Senate. Give the listeners and understanding of whenever you're preparing and I'm sure this probably, I'm sure your time as a as a litigator certainly help with this. But when you know you're going to have to go to negotiate something regardless of what policy it is written like that John but you're having to, you're going to negotiate what is your strategy to prepare to try to come to that common ground. In get something done that benefits the most people involved even if it's not everything, you want how what is your approach not only in the Senate but also in your business because I got to believe there's been times in negotiating deals where you know the same principles apply. So kind of what is your strategy and some of the tactics that you developed over your career to be successful in that regard Well I think the best strategy is to set sort of the benchmark coordinating ago and then figure out. How much you can give and take I can relate to you. Historically some of the bills on go shaded. Frankly I, don't think I. A Hill, my ground long enough and some of the compromises. were or I don't think as good as they should have been. and I learned a lot from Matt I. Think You you've got to. Sort of have a base point in other words. When you go into negotiations we're going to accomplish. ABC But. We may have to go away see, but we're not going to give away. I think you have set a floor on what you plan to accomplish, and if you can't get there, then you're gonNA have to drag in another day. but but as a matter of principle, I think you have to be firm. And stand your ground on what you need to accomplish and you. You may not get at the first time I know I always said a major major lead sight of change sometimes takes three session to get through. and I had a bunch of tough ones store reform workers, comp reform deceptive trade practices, reform insurance reform. Water. Warrant Statewide water plan I mean you know you just you know sometimes you don't have the votes I. Remember One time, governor? Hobby said. He's asked me we'll have you given away the farm on Tort Reform Governor. The farm doesn't have votes. So. We had to go and do it again, right? Right. But I think. You Know I. I've be very critical of myself frankly looking back. I felt like. You Know I. didn't didn't hold out long enough on a couple of them, right? But But on the other hand you know. Has, the UNCANNY ability he can be flexible ready doesn't sacrifice principle. That's what always admired about him. So. You know again, he you go in you negotiate hard you may or may not get to where you want to be and you can always come back and do it again another day. The thing about the legislative session he's only got forty days to work it out right? So you do have a backstop. Yeah but. Is very good at that I. Think he's better than I was. Yeah but anyway. I KNOW WE STILL MISSED IN LA legislative process. Yeah and You know it's getting harder and harder to find He'll legislators light like Kevin and you what are the things that I'm asking for? You know personally as much for the audience and is. Whenever you're because you mentioned something they're like basically set out your non-negotiables from the beginning to figure out the that what that floor is just can't drop below. Whenever you and I know you've had been in a position. To where you hit that floor in an appreciation. have. You learned throughout your career that it's better to go with your head. Or your gut because I myself and I get conflicted also, I'll set a that proverbial non-negotiable. But then whenever I find myself there I'm like well, my about to just cut my nose off to spot my face. What would you say John? Is it your head or your gut it? How do you sort it out during those times? Well assuming a thorough people a lot smarter than I am. There are lots most people are probably smarter than I. Am I I think I, rely on my good. The instinctive, the feeling that something's just not right about this I think that driver has been a pretty good barometer for me throughout my career. And You know, maybe it's because people are smarter than I am a user head I. I just feel like you get a feeling sometimes for something as right or is it not right? Right and I think a lot of perception goes into that I would tend to lean towards my. As you say gut reaction. I think served me well, anyway. Yeah. No, and that's what I see. I think in the early stages of my career. I, made a lot of kind of digging my heels in this specially in my early business career when I bought my first business that you know I had I had this head knowledge and I was going to stick to that and even if my gut tells me differently I would I would let the head you know veto but and and and I think is olive back in you know I'm forty five so I've. Had a twenty plus year career. I think that that's that's that's where I made a mistake. So it's good to hear you say that because You know. Whereas I think at one time, I probably thought during the negotiator negotiation or something like that. If you just go by gut feeling, you're doing that you're relying on feelings and may maybe letting something cloud your judgment, I think that there's There's something to that, and there's actually research has been done that says that that's not just which what we call a gut feeling is actually your brain. It's a trigger that there's there's more there's a science to it that that's it. That's kind of confirming. The. Proper outcome, the proper action. So anyway, well, that's good from a tactical standpoint. That's that's what I like to know. That's why I selfishly play these interviews so that I can become better myself. You know. So will Okay. So so now you've So now you're in the the the Senate and Tell me some give me one of. The the Senate especially in texts in. So those listeners that are outside the state understand we only we got it. Right we only made for honored forty days every other year. So it is a lot in a very short period of time but. Give me an antidote anecdote or something that the listener probably never would have seen and back then also to social media wasn't as prevalent. So we didn't follow everything. But what are some of your favorite stories of being in the Senate 'cause I know you worked with some characters because you actually got even though he was speaker mean Bo Bob Bullock was still speaker at the time you were in the Senate corrector. was He already gone? No bullock was I served under bullock. He was lieutenant. Go Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That was interesting hobby I served under. Squire privilege serving of about five different governors is. I would have to say. governor Briscoe was a mentor of mine and I've served on when George W was governor and The bullock can hobby were predominant where the two Lieutenant Governors I served under hobby. Is. An intellectual brilliant man. So bullock bullock was really Hands. All right. hobby was a little more passive although. I do consider Bill Hobby to have been one of my mentors but. we don't have enough time for me to tell bull. Will tell you one when I was chairman of finance he had a phone. We met over the annex as a pretty large committee room yet a phone he put on my head installed on my desk. Out in the committee always called it the read. It anyway was right there. So I remember one day I get a call from England. He was pretty irate because of budget wasn't moving as expeditiously as he thought, he said what? What is the hold up I won't say the experts but I Say What a world hold up on the budget were both. We have twenty, nine us with the House we were in conference committee. And Twenty eight are your. Things that you want done. And one of them is my things that I warned the. It was higher education. Anyway. Oh thank you click. I. That's so there are right. Bob Bullock Stories. That's why. Because, he is just I mean. A legend I mean, of course, a guy like Bob Bullet probably couldn't exist today unfortunately I I think because he could get things done but man what a larger than life character he was and do you happen to know? Jeb. I would y'all paths. Crossed at some point he's a mutual friend of mine in John's Ut guy play tennis actually Texas. and. I'm sorry I didn't my I think my earphones are about to run out. We're going to be in big trouble but what I didn't catch the last name Jim, her bayless Jim bayless violence. Yes. myla's yeah. That sounds very familiar. I. Bet Union will. So he told me the story about him because he's been on the the State Cemetery commission. For years and years, and for the listener if you are at the cemetery, you can see the flag at a from the capital all the way from the cemetery and that was that was Bob Bullock's doing. He wanted to make sure you could see the flag from the capital. All the way from the state cemetery is just stories like that little little touches that are in the capital. All the way to the state cemetery, and then things that happen that people will never know about for the good of Texas by the way I say that in a positive way, Bob Bullock was he made things happen that's for sure that he took a discussion about that one day because Jimbo at will I? Think it was had a marco there said here lies the author of tax bill. Bullock said adding said, you ought to get a plot at the State Cemetery Monteverdi said you and your wife can be buried there and he said said, we'll be setting up that telling stories over some of. That and he said he said the only hangup is you gotta pay your own mileage. Don't give you the plot. To, pay your mileage to get there like it but he did actually. The State cemetery needed it was in disarray. Bullock. Really got it. Cleaned up. Anyway. Well, this guy that I'm talking about Jim bayless he he was a part of that effort. Now that's kind of like his pet project. He has lot with the university and he's a longtime He's an attorney and he was in DC was a lobbyist for years and years and very active there in Austin. That's kind of his His baby is the State Cemetery. So output you together sometime y'all could slops good stories sure you Well, tell me about your time at tech I mean because that's kind of I'll be honest with you. That's always been kind. Of like down the road whatever I'm where I ended up I've always thought that would have to be one of the dream jobs is to nod love to go back and do something Undergrad Onomatopoeia tell me about your time at tech and and what the challenges of running a university or or greater than most people realize because the political acumen that you had that you display throughout your career really comes into play especially whenever you're leading a public university believe. So tell me about your time there and some of the things that happened that it that made it better. Now interestingly i. made a lateral move. From politics to academia and I think. There were a lot of suspicions. Very skeptical. Can you hear me okay. Yes I hear Ya. Think my earphone just. Just one out I. got you loud and clear. Missy if I can put this, can you hear me? All Right? Great. Okay I can just barely hear you A. Stalking. I'm going to put these earphones on charge right quick. So hold on a second. Okay tectonics. More my low tech. Capabilities. Not a problem at all. We will get them back You know I might a lateral move into academia and and a lot of suspicion about non academic type background coming under chancellor. and. I I found the tech to be. A really a fantastic opportunity. And my goal going in was to build a more respectable endowment I I thought that tech should have a better endowment division one school. So I focused on a lot of. Different things networking but predominantly getting the endowment built up. And I think I raised a five hundred eleven, million dollars cash while in the in the five years I was made well over three hundred personal developed calls. And You know hance followed me a couple of notches later he claims he raise the billion dollars. He counted error and water all kinds of Indiana. Counter. He's obviously that always goes show you that no matter how good you think you job you've done somebody else come along too but he was very successful. anyway. I set about to create a lot of endowed faculty positions a lot of scholarship money probably ninety percent of the money I raised went to academics the other. We had to do a lot on I upgraded a lot of facilities I. Think we built like a billion dollars worth. So these while I was there, but it was just a tremendous opportunity in great fun I. Mean I went all over the country raising money. It was I could write a book about that. So many different stories I had a guy one time sent me a seven million dollar check in a Mile Just Gosh handwritten envelope and. I called him I said Hey I've been Bob I've been glad to come pick up. And he said, well, what are they going to do with? If they steal, it tried to cash it at a seven eleven. Wow So many wonderful stories about when I was attacking. A. Howard I was part of hiring some very dynamic characters like Mike, Leach and. My friend Bob. Night. It was just a tremendous job I would've stayed there forever but my fifth year Ed Whitaker I had. Great Board chairs Jim. Out of the out Ed Whitaker. Out of Santa Tony. Allen White. Just great board chairs was you couldn't ask granny better. And they opened a lot of doors for us and but anyways a great job and. I had a lot of fun Broke my thumb one time working out with football. But. Anyway I would. Parents brought my last year worker Ed Whitaker. Way I'm making more than add as chancellor. He said among. Toro Ormeau shirt pocket my pin outside where do I? That'll do it. So what did he have you doing? I ultimately, I was president of External Affairs so. I think I had nine titles in eight years going up the chain was a fascinating time. Great Company still a great company at and T.'s been a big part of our career and our live and. I still do lobby work for them. But working. It you know the private sector, the The quality really does rise to talk because that's it's it's survival of the fittest and that was. Really a phenomenal time between two thousand one. And our finally left there in two thousand nine. It was a spectacular work with some really great people a lot of challenges. The whole landscape of telecommunications was changing in Markham to digital subscriber lines, and it just kept turning over and over into new advanced technology. With digital and then Wireless You know was. Still all sorts of changes almost irregular way of life. I was totally amazed by the advancements that have been made the Intel communication tickly with the science and engineering part of it was just huge and one of the things I worked on being able to stream video down copper. Telephone lines. Ultimately replaced by ceramic cable sure a that was that. Was Revolutionary though I told you. It was a new revolution. In the telecommunications industry. So that was a great job in very exciting. Finally peaked out at the Adam Thought I was GONNA wind up Actually had an offer from passes in the Fourth Grade Class family in Fort Worth that met with them. And? This came up sort of inbetween and I opted to go to Boat Detroit in Washington with whittaker. Wow now did your Did you ever cross paths with Holly Read because another? She was yes she spent twenty five years at An external fares at and T. before she went to Texas central partners out checks of always trying to connect. The rail lines now well, she knows she went you'll Brian. Recruited her away. Really I didn't over to your left that last time I. was working on. A. Railroad. Rail. From? I guess Houston Dallas. But I didn't know she'd gone worked for Ron but she I did occur newer very well still do the read family sort of iconic down here. San Antonia. Mom and dad or mom. President, School Board and. Her Dad is just a real pillar, their boat rope pillars of our community here. Well. So that makes you the second at and T. External Affairs Alumni to be on the Texas tightened podcast because whenever holly was running external affairs for Texas central then I had her on the podcast. So she was she's been on here before. So so I must be doing something right I'm getting people to travel in the same circles that are all pro. The may doesn't cool things to talk to the audience so so that that's where. We are certainly overrated. Well now now there's something I want to ask you because you did spend so much time in higher education. Tell me what do you think is happening right now because I know there's a lot of changes in higher education. I've got two daughters in college one that's at the university, of Alabama one that's at Colorado and of course, with Cova did already higher education was is taking some drastic changes and then now you've gotta deal with this whole Kobe issue and. Do the kids go back to school which they are at least for the time being even if it's a somewhat of a a hybrid state, that's what both of our girls are doing. You know, what do you see some of the biggest changes that are happening for the good and maybe not so good or just kind of your take on higher education senator. Well. social experience of you know at often you heard the debate about I can't do it all online. So much of a college education is the interpersonal relationships you develop with you. And your. Wife whether you're so clubs, sororities fraternities in a classroom. I think those that networking opportunities certainly was. An enormous contributor to any. Ling that I was able to do after I got out of college because you meet people who are also ambitious and. Their. Diverse verse in. A A. number of respects, their diverse from location diverse by race just a real enriching life experience to go. To College and I think if you try to do it all online I'm certainly wouldn't have much of a football crowd. Isn't that the truth? But I I think right now, the colleges and universities are pretty much struggling because of the budget crisis. As. So if they have to do this thing online and they can't charge regular tuition that will put a huge problem that will create a huge problem in their ability to Mike because their budgets work. So tuition is a major driver in terms of their financial wellbeing and get a Lotta money from state if states or not nearly as much as they used to. So I think that's the biggest challenge is trying to figure out how you can make this work that you can deliver a Quality Education Bravo in same time figure out whether amateur do the Internet. Much person. Trying to make that mix and that's why I think. The development of a vaccine. So, important. As we move tickly into twenty twenty, one relative to economic recovery in our ability to once again socialize network it's been. This has been a tough year twenty, twenty, I saw. Option the other day. That had Stephen King's book for his latest Mystery Thriller was called Twenty Twenty. His latest are removing. It has been it has been one for the ages that's for sure and it just seems like You know just when we kinda get used to one thing it just a something something else flares up and it has been odd to say the least and I tell you one of the things. This is one of the I really was wanted to kind of kick around with you because you have you have had You've had such experiences so many different levels of the private sector, the public sector as a legislator and your route routes run you know five generations deep here the lone star state, and one of the things already that was happening was we were seeing a major influx into Texas I. think it was like fifteen hundred people a day before the pandemic, and now people are escaping these larger metropolitan areas due to some of the unrest and other things. How do we as you see it? Adapt as a state and get ready because I know. One of the places where you spend a lot of time Austin, it seems like every body I talked to that lives out in Silicon Valley and if somewhere out west. They're moving to Austin Texas in Austin Texas already outgrown itself years ago. What do you see happening for the lone star State and where and in our place in the grand scheme of things senator as we go forward. Texas has Through a lot of. A lot of legislative reforms as well as. Business Reforms. Texas has developed into a business friendly state. And I think we a nationally recognized in that capacity. And the fact that we do not have state income tax here I think is. Has Been a significant draw even though we've got challenges with high property taxes what people are coming to Texas and they liked. Having the. Coming into the Texas business climate and I'd right. But more importantly is we've got a workforce that has a strong work ethic. Sort of Texas way we don't believe in getting anything and it to us. We believe we have to work for it and they're playing opportunities to work for success and. So I think that's driven a lot of the influx of businesses and individuals coming to taxes we have You know a lot of sunshiny days down here probably more than you would on the east coast. We have time right now August we have too many such. It gets a little odd but by and large I think just the work climate and more. Importantly the workforce is such an attractive draw, the people WANNA come here, and they won't associate. They know they can our quality people who have good work ethics and have a good work ethic and I think that's an important draw for Texas. So we're we're going I think we're GONNA continue to growth. It is bringing about insurmountable sometimes changes in educational access opportunity. Drive down any major thoroughfare and it's all being expanded and under repair putting a lot of stress on the infrastructure. But still thank Texas is the place to be and we're growing nationally since I've been in San Antonio. Since two thousand, one, we have gone from the ninth largest city in America to the seventh largest city in America that just gives you sort of barometer out Texas is growing in. NAP shot at one city. So is supplies to be. I say you know continue to expand our education our opportunity to get an education and I think if we can posture a strong workforce with that strong work at the we have I don't think any state can compete with taxes. Well and I think one of the things that's been really cool to see Senator is that our economy is so much more diversified than it was in times past you know no like right here Russ Tyler used to be so dependent upon oil and gas whereas now one in five jobs in in. Tyler is medical related in the you take that throughout the state again, going back to what we were talking about where you spent so much time in Austin I mean, it is become a true national tech center you go to Dallas and Dallas is almost becoming like like all. In, that nobody's from Dallas, it's a it's a global city and then Houston I. Believe I'm not mistaken is the most diverse city in the country now, and so it's really interesting to see. Just you know people have an image of what Texas is. You know it's kind of like out there in Lubbock it's it's all tumble waging watchdog runaway for three days and they and there's all oil wells and we all wear cowboy hats but it's really a very diverse state and. and it's I. think that we're not in not that not the Texas was ever a secret because we made Dang sure that we were never a secret and taxes but I think people are are starting to realize that it is a place to calm you. It does have a friendly business environment to great place to raise a family your dollar goes further and It's just really fascinating to sit here and be in the lone star state at a time such as this. We experienced explosive growth lately. Yeah not too many tumbleweeds. It's it's. All. Absolutely well, and you go in that that that carries all the way down into the valley. I had never been to mcallen in mission and. Harlingen and then I had to travel down there a couple of years ago on business in I was amazed at all the new growth in the valley that there is mean it is it is. There's just just about there's not many eric corners of the state that have gone unpaid unnoticed at this point it's really kind of remarkable to see. Yeah. The other thing I I've traveled great deal I've been I was in the military I've been overseas number of times, but there's just something about that. Texas psyche that people lot absolutely up I think people go out of their way to be helpful. It's just a a character trait that's different down here a lot of places. So I'm proud to be a Texan and are. Proud to be from Texas and I just. You know I. Built My career here bill our family here the SISTA arrived choice. Well well Senator Look. You know this is you know we had to break this up into two pieces and I can't tell you how much I appreciate you through all this all the technical issue come in struggled to get get back and finish this conversation but you know thank you so much. I, mean you have had such a storied career like I said I mean man I if ever, there were a renaissance man. I think you fit the bill. So. I load Jason have specialized one thing now. By the way I wrote a book and I guess it was an Amazon Bestseller two, thousand sixteen call boardgames about Irving on corporate boards up partnered up with a guy named Joe mccoo up the New Hampshire. We wrote that book and. It did pretty well but. We say that one thing I have. been. Successful added I will admit as being overrated. For. A my many careers. So we'll hey, you will We'll take it right a main. Tell me this. You bring up an I admit I did not know that you had written that book. So that was something that I missed in my research but I want to ask you because I think it's so important. A lot of people get on boards and they sit and soak, and they don't really provide a lot of help. Tell me what you consider a the the right kind of board member that you look for on your boards because I've got some ideas but for somebody that's actually written a book on the topic what what makes a good board member? You know it's interesting herb Kelleher. Great CEO Southwest Airlines wrote the Foreword Book. He passed away of course, last year. But he said that I felt it was thought it was a very pointed timely comment. He said corporate boards today are no longer for your fraternity brothers and sisters. A. What you look for in a corporate board is somebody that brings something to the met somebody that has something to contribute to the the mission of the company or corporation you're serving upon and and I don't want to. Discount the importance of charitable boards service also because. The charities in this country perform an enormous. Valuable valuable function and that they extend the helping hand to a lot of individuals who had fallen through the cracks that were off for many great charity charitable boards we have so. Bored services important that you bring something to the mix to you bring something to the board to the. Nation that is a contribution because. It's it's hard work these days corporate boards made a lot longer hours. There are a lot more intense. The committees are serious business. It's just changing landscaping corporate America. Absolutely you know So I had mentioned to you during our the first part of our conversation Jim Bela's who is involved stay cemetery. He is a was a friend, a very close friend and one of attorneys for for her Keller, and so I think since we can't get if ever there were a a Texas tightened by way of New York. Is Herb. Keller. So maybe we'll. I'll give you and bail us and we find one other person. We'll just have a a a roundtable discussing the stories of Herb Keller because I know there's some good ones. Absolutely. I I could write a book about those. So that's gotTa what has got to Bela's said and Deborah it was one of the most brilliant. Corporate leaders I've ever known just. Incredible. Mind Business Mind just amazing. But he was also very personable. You know her gut longman everybody and everyone was a friend in. Of A Bit On southwest where flat was serving peanuts. And he just he just got it and people really low. Is Him and we love his legacy. Will if you ever WANNA listen to an incredible podcast I duNNo. If you listen to podcasts or not. But Business Wars is one of my favorites and there's one I believe it's southwest versus American Airlines. And it and it it does a job of telling the stories about how companies came into being one of them is Ebay versus pay pal Pepsi versus. Co.. It's so well produced and they go into a lot of detail about how you know her basically he reluctantly came into. The airline business and how it was just his force of will his brilliance that kind of brought it what it was they did a really good job of of of just painting the picture of how South West succeeded and and how well they've done and so and of course, you know whenever I was in business school. It's really it's really something else. If, there were one company that comes up. Over and over and over apple is one of them for sure. But I think as far as a well run company that has a history of excellence that just literally is used over and over and over it's it south, West Airlines and a lot of that obviously came from his leadership. I think her ball as I mentioned. Factors that Influence your. Your, your ability succeed in business I fell on networking was critical. But I also think Customer Services You know at the Pinnacle of successful business if you've got good customer service. Should be successful. I and that name into that well, senator I appreciate this time both both of our sessions and I do hope that we can continue this conversation in person someday I'm I'm grateful once again to John Atkins for referring a a great Texas Titan to me. So thank you so much for the time. It's been an absolute pleasure wrote the resolution Jason Okay, enjoy your dinner tonight and and thanks again. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Well that's a wrap on another episode of the Texas Titans podcast. Thank you so much for being here. This has been a Texas Titans Media Production. If you will please take the time to go to I tunes in give us that ever coveted five star rating. It would mean the world to me plus go to Jason Right. Now Dot com sign up for the betrayal letter and most importantly have an incredible rest of your day in week. Thanks for being here.
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"From Washington DC. This is Westwood One. Daily news for Martinez. Twenty nineteen. I'm John trout. The New Zealand government has agreed to tougher gun laws. Security remains high in the wake of last week's mass killing and Christ Church. Steve Kastenbaum reports. Families now have the task of funerals and burials for their loved ones victims of that terrorist attack. The death toll in church rose to fifty New Zealand police Commissioner Mike Bush that they found the additional victim as they continue. The investigation inside the two mosques we were able to take all of the victims from both of those seats and in doing so we have located I for the victim New Zealanders or coming to grips with the kind of violence fueled by hatred that until now they believed was something that existed only in other countries tucked away, where a wife more of the stuff, unfortunately, the raise edit. He tha. Hi is because of something evil bent his heaven. Authorities rushed to identify the bodies of the victims. So they could be buried according to Muslim tradition. They're required to bury their dead as quickly as possible often within twenty four hours New Zealand's, Prime minister promise to work toward banning assault rifles in the wake of what she said was a terrorist attack. We don't be tude at from the we that we need to do on outgun loose and UCLA they need to change, regardless of what activity may may not have happened with gun retailers. They will change the shooter used five guns including two semi automatic weapons. Into shotguns, prime minister GIS into ardor nsaid all of them were acquired legally over the weekend. Facebook continued policing their platform for portions of the video recorded by the gunman as he live streamed. The attack on Sunday Facebook announced that it had removed one point five million videos of the New Zealand attack. Brenton Harrison it was charged with one count of murder. In Christ Church court on Saturday. He's due back in court on April fifth and is expected to face several more charges. He had no criminal history. New Zealand, nor in his native Australia, his extremist views had not drawn the attention of the security and intelligence services in either country, he traveled extensively to many countries, including Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and Pakistan. I'm Steve Kastenbaum. President Trump's rhetoric regarding immigrants and Muslims is back in the spotlight and under scrutiny in light of the Christ Church massacre. Here's Bob Costantini, the alleged New Zealand shooter mentioned President Trump and his lengthy manifesto, quote as a symbol of renewed white identity in common purpose asked about it. Friday, the president dismissed the idea of rising white nationalism worldwide critics say he is helped that movement calling people from Mexico. Murderers, rapists, calling for a ban on Muslims coming into the US. And s president saying there were good people on both sides of the Charlottesville Neo Nazi? Clashes acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, on Fox News Sunday. I hear what folks says oh, Donald Trump said this during the campaign, look what we've done while we've been here. I don't think anybody could say the president's anti-muslim on CBS face, the nation democratic Senator Tim Kaine taking the president to task for what he said vetoing the resolution that would prohibit moving money around for border wall construction and use the word invaders to characterize people coming to the nation southern borders, which was exactly the same phrase that the shooter in New Zealand used to characterize the Muslims that he was his attacking Scott Brown. The US ambassador to New Zealand on CNN state of the union dismissing the shooter's praise of President Trump quote as a symbol of renewed white identity. I don't give any any credibility whatsoever. The ramblings of somebody who's rotten to the core. And clearly is an extremist of the worst kind the president spent some time Sunday tweeting in support a Fox News host Janine Piero who was taken off the. Air for anti Muslim comments. Bob Costantini, Washington. President Trump renews his criticism of the late. Senator John McCain triggering outrage from both sides of the aisle. Correspondent Linda Kenyon has the story. It's been seven months Republican Senator John McCain died of brain cancer that hasn't stopped the president for mocking him in a series of weekend. Tweets, they started after former independent counsel, Ken Starr on Fox News discussed conservative media reports about court papers. Those paper showed an aid for the late. Senator John McCain shared with the FBI and the media a dossier of allegations some unverified about Trump's ties to Russia, deeply disappointing. Well, we will we'll see the president clearly moved. By stars words tweeted, so it wasn't deed just proven in court papers last in his class and apples. John McCain that sent the fake dossier to the FBI and media hoping to have it printed before the election. Senator Chris coons on ABC's this week. Fended the late. Senator Senator McCain conveyed that report out of a sense of duty Senator Amy klobuchar on CNN state of the union said much the same thing. The fact that the president would be now attacking John McCain for things like turning over report the FBI, which was of course, the right thing to do for things like serving our country during the presidential campaign. Then candidate Donald Trump suggested that McCain was not a war hero because he was captured while serving in Vietnam, I've long thought that his personal and direct attacks on Senator McCain was one of the most detestable things about President Trump's conduct Senator coons remark was mashed by Senator klobuchar John McCain was a war hero. He served our country. Well, Kim star also defended John McCain John McCain was an American hero who did so much for the country. But this is unfortunately of a very dark stain Senator Lindsey Graham who has one of McCain's closest friends in the Senate and now on of the president's most reliable allies in congress defended his former colleague in a pair. Of tweets he wrote he stepped forward to risk his life for his country served honorably under difficult circumstances. And was one of the most consequential senators in the history of the body and the late senator's daughter Megan McCain who has tangled with Trump in the past over his comments about her late. Father tweeted, no one will ever love you the way they loved my father. I wish I had been given more. Saturday's with him, maybe spend yours with your family instead of on Twitter obsessing over mine. Linda Kenyon, Washington. There is a call for a congressional investigation. Into nearly two dozen deaths of thoroughbred racehorses in less than three months at southern California's famed Santa Anita park. But our Jim Roope reports racing is still expected to resume this week. This racetrack is safe said any to park spokesman Mike woman says extensive testing re-testing examination of both dirt and turf tracks show the traction out the problem is to why twenty two horses have suffered catastrophic injuries and had to be euthanized. Is the end of December. And we intend to move forward. And we intend to move forward. And in a completely new way timber VO C E O, the strategy group which owns Santa Anita and Golden Gate fields in northern California says that completely new way mean complete transformation of I race tracks in California before we detail the transformation. This drastic move comes in the wake of Thursday's death of the twenty second horse to be euthanized after breaking her two front lakes following a training. Run. Santa Anita just reopened after a second closing to find out. Why so many horses are getting injured and the conclusion is it's not the tracks. Neither the turf nor the dirt track show any inconsistencies negative effects of the more than a foot of rain. That's fallen no signs that point to the tracks. As the problem. The issue say some including pita people for the treatment of animals is the medications legally given to horses to mask injuries as they recover and the question are the horses being led back onto the track under those masking medications before the are. Completely healthy leading to the catastrophic injuries will now to the transformation. The changes mentioned by writ changes include a total band of all medication on race day. That means the size of the field will be smaller as fewer horses will be able to run on race day. Also medications can only be given to a horse. If diagnosed by veterinarian training with their pubic medications, only and only under the direction of veterenarian, the use of writing crops also changing cushioned crops will now be used and only as a corrective measure and more writ. Vo says these transformative changes are necessary any changes hunt, but the love of horse supersedes all else. The LA county DA is involved with the investigation and California congresswoman Judy CHU has called for a congressional investigation. Jim Roope, Los Angeles. Westwood One daily news from Martine twenty nineteen. I'm John trout.