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Midterms will show whether non-Trump Republicans can win by stoking racial animosity

The Daily 202's Big Idea

08:58 min | 2 years ago

Midterms will show whether non-Trump Republicans can win by stoking racial animosity

"The daily to otas big idea is sponsored by Delta Airlines, the commercial airline the US military trust to perform maintenance on its aircraft. Learn more at delta taking action dot com. Good morning. I'm James Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily to for Monday, November fifth. In today's news Democrats in tough Senate races, avoid mentioning their party affiliation. The house map continues to expand into red districts. Thanks to a green wave and Florida is one of several governor's race is tightening in the closing days before the midterms. But first the big idea the fierce battle for control of congress in the nation's governorships has turned toward blatant and overtly racial attacks rarely seen in America since the civil rights era of the nineteen sixties a new robo call going out to voters in Georgia. Features of voice impersonating Oprah Winfrey and calling Stacey Abrams who was running to become the nation's first black woman elected governor, quote, a poor man's aunt Jemima in Florida. The Trump administration's secretary of agriculture Sonny Perdue urged voters not to elect Andrew gillum who would be that states. First black governor with a cloak realism widely seen as having racial connotations this election. He said is quote, so cotton picking important and some Republicans suddenly scrambled following the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting to distance themselves. From Representative Steve king, the Republican from Iowa the moves come after king said that a far right party in Austria. With historic ties to the Nazis would be Republican were in the United States. Other odious Kim comments over the years of drawn little criticism. But a lot of Republicans realize that they are endangered by this kind of rhetoric. The two thousand sixteen election confirmed that a potential president could run and win after stoking racism now in their closing days. The midterms are shaping up as a demonstration of whether the entire Republican party concede by following Trump's lead by running so overtly on racially tinged messages by colleague, Matt visor reports in today's newspaper. The GOP is putting that explosive form of politics on the ballot. If Republicans maintain control of the house, the notion of running a campaign built on blunt race based attacks on immigrants and minorities will have been validated. A loss on the other hand might prompt. A number of. Thoughtful Republicans to call for rethinking the party's direction. But that would collide with a sitting president who have anything relishes over the edge rhetoric. The stakes for the party's future and the country's future are enormous. Republicans now are an overwhelmingly white party, whereas Democrats represent a multi-ethnic coalition. The problem for the GOP is that the nation is moving swiftly in the direction of democratic demographics. Trump is hardly been cowed by the occasional please from GOP leaders to tone down his language as the campaign has barreled toward its final hours. The president expanded his native is to peels proudly calling himself a nationalist and trying to drive his base out with threats about a caravan of central Americans creeping toward the US border with Mexico after deploying thousands of US troops to the southern border. For a pre-election photo op the president boasted at a rally Saturday afternoon, quote, barbed wire used properly can be a beautiful sight. And that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar number one democratic Senator Joe Donnelly and Indiana has avoided mentioning his party affiliation. At all as he fights for re election. Donnelly is worked to distance himself from the far left of his party and embrace some of Trump's policies. His strategy is similar to that of several other red state Democrats, including Claire mccaskill and Missouri. Who's tried to separate herself from parts of her party this past week by saying she's not one of those quote crazy Democrats were hearing similar things from Joe mansion in West Virginia during a recent debate. Donnelly said he was open to changing birthright citizenship, which is protected by the fourteenth amendment saying we have to take a look at that. He's also been a steadfast supporter of a border wall with Mexico and he voted in favor of funding. It three times he also criticized the Senate for failing to deliver the money for Trump's signature proposal, Barack Obama interestingly enough campaign for Donald in Gary Indiana on Sunday night, Neanwhile John Ralston highly. Respected dean of the Nevada. Press corps predicts that Republican Senator dean Heller will probably lose his seat. They're based on early voting numbers Heller. It looked like a Dead Man Walking for some time. But that race had tightened and national journals. Josh crush, our predicts that the Montana Senate race could become one of tomorrow night's biggest surprises democratic and come in. John tester is facing off with Republican Matt Rosendahl. There hasn't been very much quality polling there and political operatives on both sides agree that testers probably narrowly ahead, but there are enough undecided. Voters to make it uncomfortably close for both parties. And it's too successful. Senate races tester one just forty nine percent of the vote with so much partisan polarization in many red state Democrats losing ground in the final weeks. It's not hard to see. How tester could end up falling short. Number two. Looking at the house side, small dollar donations to democratic campaigns have helped expand the battleground map deep into conservative strongholds democratic candidates. In a switch from past elections have raise more money than Republicans in the midterms particularly in small sums under two hundred dollars. That's not as new strategists across the political spectrum point to the breakneck fundraising as a sign that Democrats are well positioned to take control of the house this year. They're calling it a Greenway as in greenbacks. Politica reports that some top house. Republicans now fear that Trump singular focus on immigration in the final days of campaigning could cost them more seats because it's Ginny up Democrats more than Republicans many of these exact same GOP operatives. Welcome Trump's initial talk about the migrant caravan and border security two weeks ago thinking that it would help them save some at risk Republicans. But now, they think Trump went overboard, and that will cost them dearly in suburban districts from Chicago to Minneapolis, Dallas and Houston. Meanwhile, something interesting is happening in California with Republicans holding about a half dozen vulnerable seats Democrats believe their path to recapturing the house runs right through the Golden State, but Trump support for. Delivering more water to farms in the state's central valley could help the GOP save two or three seats that otherwise would have flipped for decades. Farmers in the central valley of found themselves nodded in a tug of war with coastal residents and environmentalists over how much of California's finite. Water supply should be divided. Among seating city-dwellers supplying habitat for river critters and cultivating crops. Trump is come down squarely on the side of the farmers. Number three democratic dreams of flipping as many as six Republican governorships are starting to dwindle as several raises come down to the wire. Now, Democrats are especially confident they're going to defeat Illinois Republican Bruce rounder, one of the nation's least popular governors and one of the nation's blue states. They also believe they'll pick up the chief executive's offices in Michigan, and you Mexico which are held by retiring Republicans, but whether Democrats can make dramatic gains, perhaps even reaching parody with Republicans for governorships will come down to a half dozen races and states that form the backbone of Trump's surprise twenty sixteen victory Wisconsin and Iowa, for example, remain dead heats. They could go either way GOP strategists. And political observers say that the gubernatorial racist tightened significantly in Florida where elections have been shaped by year of natural and man-made Florida-based disasters in the panhandle where Trump held a rally Saturday night residents are still recovering from hurricane Michael, which ravaged coastal communities in a military base. The center of the state is seen an. Of thousands of Puerto Ricans potentially new voters since hurricane Maria devastated. Their island last year and on both coasts noxious and toxic red tide algae is bloomed will green algae is choked inland waters. What voters decide on the stew of issues and events will have significant consequences on Tuesday when Andrew gillum faces Ron descent, a former Republican congressman, it will also have implications for the twenty twenty presidential election. If Trump can't win Florida. He cannot get reelected. And that's the daily to to for Monday, November fifth. Thanks so much for listening. I'm James Holman. I'll talk to you tomorrow election day.

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How Much Don't We Know About the Midterms?

Reason Podcast

57:20 min | 2 years ago

How Much Don't We Know About the Midterms?

"Heading into the home stretch in West Virginia where the president didn't spend much time highlighting the positive jobs numbers or low unemployment rate also speak about the economy speak about the economy. Well, we have the greatest economy and the history of our country. But sometimes it's not as exciting to talk about the economy right instead moving onto the message, he thinks will electrify his base stoking fears over immigration homeland security as just confirmed that members of the lawless caravan the one you've been watching come from twenty different countries and include among them, criminals and gang members. That was Kristen Welker of NBC news talk Donald Trump's closing pitch in the midterm elections, which take place tomorrow. Although they've kind of been taking place for a week with all the early voting's going on I here. Hello, boys and girls Dement toilets and Dement tights. Welcome to the weekly editor's roundtable edition. That's deep cut. Nick of the reason podcast. I am out. Welsh joined today by snorting, nNcholas b and Catherine Mangku award. But also reason managing editor Stephanie Slade round of applause lead lay. Les laid slate since you're the only person I think on staff who understands a poll in any meaningful extent, I wanted to start with you, a seems like there's been a whole lot of discussion about voter enthusiasm and surges and sugar highs, and and including a lot of early voting among blocks that normally don't spend a whole lot of time of voting such as the utes. So what can you tell us about all the surges? Are we're going to see records for midterm voting. What might those kind of overwhelming numbers if they are indeed like that due to the forecast that we've been seeing and so on? I think the correct answer to any question about what's going to happen in an election. That hasn't already happened is I don't know. And that's my position in general. And I've written a lot for reason about how polls have become less reliable over time for a variety of methodological reasons, but in this particular election, I think it's even more true. And one of the reasons is because there is some evidence of of record numbers of early voting and potentially that suggests there may be record turn out for a mid-term election, and that just that creates a huge amount of uncertainty because the way that polling works in a modern era is that voters pollsters have to make an educated guess about how the electorate will break down, demographically, basically, they're trying to guess who's going to turn out to the polls. So that they can wait their numbers to reflect. Okay. The electric be this percent old. This percent gong this percent. You know, black or Hispanic or whatever we have to make educated guesses in the way, they do that. As they look at what happened what has happened in previous elections of this type. And so there hasn't really been that many previous elections of this particular type, and you know, yesterday NBC news reported that they've already been like almost thirty five million early votes cast now nationwide, and that surpasses the total early vote count from from four years ago, the last midterm election, which was only about twenty one point two million. So we're like tens of millions of people have already voted early this year beyond the numbers that voted early four years ago. I find in my experience only really annoying people vote early. But do they breakdown reliably in, you know? You know, I've into early voters like more likely to be Republican or as bipartisan y'all your old. I don't necessarily know that the early I would have to actually have to check on whether the early vote historically skews one way or another. But what what this suggests is that we might be seeing a turnout surge more broadly. So if early vote numbers are up in total vote numbers might be up, and that just changes everything so in in most midterm elections. You have low like sub forty percent turn out numbers, and the people who do show up tend tend to be older whiter more highly educated, which is to say, they tend to be more likely to vote Republican. So when you have a surge of avoiders like in any election, then very often that surges drawn from people who are going to who are going to sort of moderate that Republicans skew which is another way of saying skew the electric back to the left. So that's that's one way. One potential prediction that could come out of this. But you know, you notice that I'm saying a lot of things like. Prediction potential could may might possibly because we don't know. That's why Slade there's that too. Because you don't believe in reality. You have. No, you're a nice slight hearing resorts. I just want to throw out there. And she wrote a said a number. I wanted to say another number will. So the thirty five million votes that's against seventy eight million total that were cast in the midterms in twenty eighteen so all holy Jesus. Go on. Oh, I was going to say I'm hearing unconfirmed reports of caravans of seniors electrified motorscooters, slowly moving towards polling says, and they're gaining as much as three miles that they might get there by Tuesday. And then all actually they're headed to the Morongo casino here in in California for early voting's at the back up a tables, Catherine you must be excited about all this surge in voter. Yeah. I'm here. You lost? Right. Like like, a p people have stopped listening to you about the pointlessness of voting. Although you did get that. Great. Incredible Email, right? You've moved one person in the Carter citing. Yes by their want full credit for this. I got an Email at the end of last week from someone saying I have voted in every election since nineteen seventy and I read your article about principle nonvoting and instead of voting on Tuesday. I'm in a go to my church and help hand out blankets to homeless people. Suck it America. I got some homeless people some blankets. You also said somebody to church I just wanna throw that much. I'm a million times over. People go to church. Oh, yeah. I I tend to do my regular argument for voting people are super super halved up about this election. But you know, these these early ballot numbers notwithstanding there, you know, I'm still winning people are still mostly not just for the record. Maybe I'm I'm winning a little less this cycle. But like Donald Trump. I'm sometimes get tired of winning a slate. I wanted to hit you with another kind of a cross examination about these things might anecdotal stupid impression of polls. Mid-term polls generally would mid-term polls. Basically state local polls of mixed with kind of like the generic national kind of ballot. But that amid term poll in the stuff that we're looking at is about two to three percentage points, roughly, a less accurate than presidential poll and presidential year poll, just because. Yes, smaller samples, you have states like Nebraska. That haven't had a single nonpartisan poll just haven't this'll election side vote for their Senate. Not that it's gonna be a surprise about who wins. But like Jesus Christ. There's a lot of there's a lot of of unreliability. There is my anecdotal impression of that kind of roughly. Right and don't don't make me feel too. Yeah. I don't I actually don't know. I'm sure that like Nate silver has the exact percentage points breakdown. But that's that's that's roughly, correct. I mean, it's it's harder to poll smaller populations and its motor to poll in midterm years when when turnout is low because again, you're just just creates all this variance in what percentage of the population in which people are actually going to turn out and without getting that those sort of fundamental predictions roughly, right? I mean, this is what happened in two thousand twelve the pollster said, okay? Well, yeah. There was the surge of young voters and African American voters for years ago because of the Obama, you know, this. Historical. Bama oh campaign. And so these young people in these African American voters showed up in record numbers, and that skewed the electorate in ways that we had never seen before. But but pulsar said in two thousand twelve well he's been in office for four years. He hasn't made good on a lot of his promises. Probably the excitement levels will be down. And so probably we won't see nearly as many as as larger percentage of the electorate be young African American as we saw four years ago. And so they use that as an assumption, and they waited their numbers accordingly, which is totally you know, reasonable thing to do and it was completely wrong after the election. We saw that. There was a surge of African American voters in twenty twelve and there was a surge of young voters in twenty twelve. And so all the assumption. You know, all of the polling predictions that were built off this slightly. Incorrect assumption were totally wrong. And that that type of problem is the the chances of a problem like that happening is just sort of escalated in a midterm year. Because. Was because people don't turn out in general. We're just guessing here. That's that's very helpful. And thank you for saying really don't own sort of just we don't know. I think a reason mantra a Nick the opening clip that we played there of Trump saying, you know, I could talk about the economy, but we really need to talk about what scares people. I it feels like the last ten days like his closing like a light bulb went off in his head. And he's like, okay. I got it. Caravan, burgers, bad guys tops. We're gonna like up and birthright citizenship he released that ad with the unreal morsel cop killing illegal immigrant horror person released by sheriff Joe Arpaio in nineteen ninety eight for unknown reasons, it what does it tell you about both the president's. And maybe even the modern state of the Republican. That he thinks that this is the way to at long last get his people out to the polling booth. I agree. I'm in. It's kind of fantastic. I realize that Adam particular, put me in mind of if you remember the old kind of online text that Obama released the life of Julia about how and it was this kind of fable of how government help this woman cut. It navigate all the aspects of her life. I saw that. And I was like what the fuck is that? And I realized I wasn't the audience for it. And I'm not audience for that Trump add, and you know, he clearly has a strong sense. Whether how exactly how accurate it is remains to be seen. But what activates his most enthusiastic backers? And he's doing everything he can to get them to come out. It is one of the things I be curious by Catherine and slate feel about this particularly in relation to polling in mid terms. Do take for granted. That your core. People are coming out, and like where you can really add to change the outcome is by getting new people because there is no question that Trump is doing nothing to reach out to kind of people who might be like, you know, he's kind of a dick but got damaged like the economy is doing pretty well. And he is doing what he said. And he's not, you know, we haven't started World War three. In fact, you know, we don't talk about North Korea or Iran Perry much anymore. So maybe it's doing something. Good. They're it's it's you know, it's clearly a strategy. I have no idea if it'll work or not because the one thing I know is increasingly an and I suspect we're all in this kind of world, partly because of where we live, but more importantly what we do as journalists. Journalists are really really hating on Trump, more and more. And I think they are taking it almost personally even those of us who have you know, can't even project in the most narcissistic fantasy the idea that have were in some kind of communication with the president. But, you know, Pete journalists, and I thank, you know, the people who hate him. Are getting so doubled and tripled and quadrupled down on the hate. It's I, you know, it's it's it's a bizarre strategy Matt to may. But it may well have been Trump strategy. Right. I mean, he's he's not an outreach guy, certainly not a conscious outreach guy. I mean when he went his support does cross party lines. It's about his temperament or his his seeming ability to blow up the status quo when he has to talk about some kind of substance. He always select substance that calls to his base in. He certainly not alone in that. This is not a unique Donald Trump attribute by any stretch. I was struck though by the, you know, the the totally explicit treatment of he was like, well, you know, there are these job numbers. But I am going to play on your emotions now. Hello, I am Donald Trump. Nice to meet you let be upset about the immigrants. Like, it was it who who is it that did the the message. I care was that H W Bush is. Hw? Yeah. So like that was sort of the seminal moment. Right. When politicians started not just doing the messaging that their teams had urged them. But also just telegraphing it like telling people what their messaging was. And I think Trump is taken that to a real a real next level Slade is the is the rule of midterms when we see them as as a referendum, especially right now on this particular of president is the referendum -ness of midterms increasing to the extent that we can sort of say this or like sentiment towards the president's more decisive in mid terms now with the kind of nationalization of our political conversations which feels like it's more than it was before. But maybe that's an anecdotal impression. Or is this kind of vaporware when you when you look through the numbers up at all. I don't know if it's increasing. It's definitely true that historically and especially in recent. Emory the first midterm election after a new president assumes office. So two years after a new president comes in is is often not good for that president's party. But there is actually sort of structural forces working against that this year, which is that like, the Democrats are just having to defend a whole just happen to be defending a whole bunch of seats. Like in the Senate, for example. I was looking at the real clear politics chart, and they have seven tossup seats. Totally totally toss up that they're not even saying they lean one way or the other and of those seven five of them are currently held by Democrats. So they're they're defend their on the defense. The Democrats are and in just just happened out that way in the Senate it well, and so things like that make it a little bit harder to just it would tamper. Normally, I would say like, yeah. The president's party always does terrible and this election. So you know, I would probably I would probably expect that to that trend to repeat itself. But. You it's I'm not as confident of that this year. I would also add that in a bunch of those Senate seats and also toss up a gubernatorial races. You have libertarian party candidates in quite a few of them of Lucy Branson in Indiana, which who all talk about a little bit later. Probably Jeff Campbell in Missouri. Come to mind as to Tim Hagan in Nevada all super tossup seats, and with exception of Campbell. They're all a have appeared in the polls of more than just kind of rounding error us. So that's interesting. And then also in in gubernatorial races, Phil Anderson in Wisconsin most. Significantly in a totally tossup a race there with Scott Walker is in there. But there's also some independence to like, Greg Orman. I think he is I'm getting a mixup Greg Allman, obviously 'cause I'm in southern California here, but let's be real. There's been no matter where you were. You would be mixed up in exactly that way. You're it's a stay behind being in califor- about carry on that. But that's a crisco back who's a truckload who I think should be sent on the slow boat to Madagascar is the secretary of state of Kansas and the leading voter fraud fabulous. And and and cereal suppressor of the vote. He's the GOP nominate nominee in Kansas. So he's he's supervising zone. Election, which is great, but he's running neck and neck with democrat whose name escapes me. But Greg Orman independent that a ten percent. So there's a lot of of spoilage potential spoilage in there. And again, I'll talk about some of that in a little bit. But I wanted to go round with the three of you and talk about any and all races individual races or individual ballot initiatives or just things that you are of particular interest to you or that you've been following. And you think people should look at more neck to have something that's on your brain. I have watched the Texas Senate race a bit because it's between Ted Cruz and Beato roar Corbeta Rourke. I don't particularly care for either of the candidates, but the the mass, you know, the kind of Beatle mania Beato mania that the press of you know, fell. They swoon for a Rourke despite any real evidence of other than the amount of money that he was raising that he had a shot. And I for me what's interesting about that. Is that? I'm looking forward to seeing this kind of goes to what Slade was talking about. How how much is the conversation that were staging about the this election? How much of that is completely disconnected with reality. And you know what we'll find out come Tuesday. And what I thought was interesting about it was that, you know, there was so much pumping up of rock in so many kind of puff profiles and whatnot. Independent of actually how he was doing. And by the same token, what does it say about Ted Cruz that he's one of the least liked people even in his own party able to hold on? And when you look at his rhetoric, he's been doing very Trumpian kind of you know, excursions, and is that is a possible outside of a state like Texas that you can run a party going forward, mostly on fear of women and children solely walking across Mexico and a couple of other things because they're you know, there are. Not you know, the Republicans aren't even talking about the economy. They're not talking about the future in any kind of way. It's really kind of you know, disturbing to me sub that that's the one thing that I'm interested in seeing Catherine just building on what Nick just said before we get into the what races in the things that you're following so much is there kind of like a is there. A but Gorsuch refutation that comes with the late shift to the caravan politics in the birthright stuff, and there's just the open fearmongering of it all from Trump. But also from a lot of candidates, including as Nick said, a Ted Cruz like is is there something inherently and necessarily repudiation worthy of a party that sees this. As who it is what it must do is that like in a world where you might vote is that. Something that is reason enough to say, look, I don't care that you got all these, you know, pretty good judges that you've got the rollback of a bunch of regulations in this kind of stuff. Aegis kind of knock this crap off. Yeah. I mean, I think that the thing that's tricky. There is something we've talked about on this podcast before which is that everyone's mind is already made up about Donald Trump, and that's a little bit different than is. Everyone's mind already made up about voting in the midterms which though it can be interpreted as a referendum on the president and off in is, you know, there are other ways to engage in a mid term too. So I think. It sure is hard. And I generally, I I have a very very very strong bias toward saying, you should always attribute good motivations to people. Right. Like, Don just to assume that everyone wants a good outcome. And we are just disagreeing about ways to get there. And so I've always found the rhetoric of Republicans as racists, very great in from that perspective. Right. Like, it's it's not true. It's just not true overall that the main thing that motivates people to vote Republican is like dark inner hatred of other races. I I refuse to believe that how ever this particular batch of rhetoric is making it hard for me to hold down that line because it is so explicitly about, you know, he's literally naming the countries where the people are coming from to just remind everyone that they're the countries that are in our country where people who are different colors from us come from. And you know. I I wish that it were a little easier for for me to hold the line with the Gorsuch to say, listen, you're there upsides and downsides in hero bunch of really good outcomes. The might come out of this presidency. And if those are where my priorities lie. I get to vote for these dudes, and you cannot tar me was a morally bad brush, just because of some other policy that this dude is up to the caravan stuff is is particularly if but again, I think everyone's mind is already made up. So I don't I don't think people are hearing the caravan thing and defecting from corset even those people are not defecting slate. What's a bellwether? If there is any and might be putting you on the spot with us. But or the bellwether means does go whether means yes, you say, it's a yachting term. You. Are you kidding me? It's actually not. I was just I was getting. Yes, I was I was. I made it might be. But I don't actually know anything about yacht. So I really know that got, you know, a lot of things about a lot of things that you shouldn't know anything about that's true. But I I've sat down, and I'll Zeta and Evans but slate a what's what is a race out there or something out there that might tell us early on Tuesday. Like, oh that happened. Then the big thing is going to happen is not anything that comes down. And I'm going to use this my friend and former boss, crystal Anderson will be so proud of me that I'm going to use this opportunity to remind everybody that you should not look at anything that happens early in the day on Tuesday and draw any conclusions about from that. So everybody's gonna look at early exit polls. And they're going to try to try to they're gonna right? I mean, we got pages to fill we got pixels at the Phil. Everybody's gonna be writing stories based on early exit polls early exit polls are bad, and you shouldn't be making you shouldn't be freaking out based on what you what you see there. Hey, should we practice late? Let's practice. Oh my gosh. Late early exit. Polls are showing. Republicans are way up in Wisconsin. What should I do Slade? You should do. Absolutely nothing. And wait until later tonight. When the actual polls close good good practice. Doesn't forget this. This. Yeah. F- way. I just looked it up bellwether. It has to do with putting the bell around the neck of sheep. It's a hurting term. That's great. So does it say which way the flock is going or something like that direct? 'cause the that's they put the bell around the neck of a castrated ram who is the leader of the the flock of sheep. I think I'm I'm going to finally belatedly in my second half century on this planet, finally pay attention to George Orwell's politics, the English language, and maybe not always use words, who meaning I actually don't know. Although it's metaphors all the way down Matt that that seems a bit hasty. I would like to throw in on a couple of an interesting phenomenon that's happened here in just the past week which speaks to a little bit of the way that kind of to party mentality and in the systems that that perpetuated can be pretty overwhelming, even among the people who are third party candidates themselves. You've seen we've had at least a a a solid. Handful of third party candidates who have mooched during a toss up races and said, oh, never mind. I'm I'm dropping out in backing one side of the other. So Brian Doherty wrote about this in in Montana. Pretty confusing story, but Rick Breckenridge was libertarian party nominee in Montana. What is his ramp? Breckenridge. Sounds like a fake name. Okay. It sounds like a early seventies vinyl Red Path. Pants wearing a rocker. But he's not as far as we know he kinda dropped out. But you can't really drop out because his name is on the on the ballot still because of all your voting's and whatnot. But he's semi endorsed Republican Matt Rosendahl because he was pissed off about some mailings that went out a dark money mailings. It's all very confusing. But and so he wants it's a pretty close race there against incumbent, Jon tester, and he kind of blinked and said is sort of endorsed Matt Rosen Dale we had Angela green of the green party in Arizona. Indy completely toss up a race between Kristen cinema and Martha mcsally. I know I'm obsessed with the names here. Her name's Angela green. And she's the green party can't hit. You betcha. So good does she get her name change like the low tat? No. And I would just a caution people not to Google the name Byron low tax Looper because that is a a rabbit hole that you will never escape from. In alaska. They had an independent governor there who knew name Bill Walker of who's not beloved at all. And there was a three way race between him and a democrat, Mark baggage or beg or whatever. And Mike Dunleavy the Republican and the governor at about a week two weeks ago said screw it. I'm getting out. I'm backing the democrat. This was supposed to be a walkover win for the Republican. Now, it's completely toss-up race with. Yes, a libertarian polling for the first time it just came out like a couple of days ago at three percents, Billy Toyin and a Patrick Starnes and independent candidate for governor in Oregon completely toss-up race backed out last minute and through support to Kate Brown is the democrat. They're running against somebody with the phenomenal name of Knute. Buehler with that with a K, not the bad kind of a new, but it's it's fascinating to me that the people even who themselves have gone. Onto the trouble of being a third party candidate. Maybe collected a bunch of signatures and campaigned went on TV and all this kind of stuff. Get wobbly at the end and freak out because the bad guys might win kind of speaks to cause Bill weld, cough, cough. He didn't endorse Catherine. He just said that, you know, I'm here to out for Hillary Clinton one week before an election, which he was running against her on. He did it on the Rachel Maddow show. Oh my God. I can't believe to this day that he did that Catherine. What are any races or a ballot initiative or anything else that you find particular interest that reason listeners should be paying attention to before? I get to my real answer. I do want offer since we're doing outstanding candidate names when I arrived at the office this morning. There was a flyer that had been slipped under the door for the libertarian party candidates of Washington, DC and the gentlemen, running for attorney general of DC is named Joe henchman. Oh, yeah. Oh, she's been great. Grey. I somehow just hadn't processed the like that's an amazing name for an AG. Right. Like, it's the the whole gig is being a henchman. So it's perfect. So the initiative that I talk about is the thing I'm gonna talk about his ballot initiative. California is considering the the end of daylight savings time, which to me is the most important issue facing our nation and. Proposition seven so here in California go vote, yes. On proposition seven if you must vote, and this is it's just pure commonsense daylight savings time is the the work of the devil Calva, California. We'll be following Florida which has also passed a it's called the sunshine Protection Act. God bless him. Oh my God. And Massachusetts is considering the same all of these changes, though are held up by the need to get congressional approval for these changes. So this may be one case where when California leads the nation. I don't hate it mostly. It's like okay now every single thing has a label on it. That says it's going to give you cancer, or, you know, minimum wage laws or something equally awful. But the end daylight savings would be a boon not only to. All right thinking humans, but especially those of us with children, although we did get to enjoy an extra hour of partying just this past weekend. Because we were all in California when daylight savings, that's true. But you know, what the wages of sin or death or that? Like, it's all catching, Catherine. I think I feel like you you have to go beyond just flat assertion here. And maybe make a little bit of an argument of why we should repeal daylight saving. It's a it's a radical position. And as a as the resident anarchist on this podcast. I think you need to explain why we should give it a daily type savings time. You bet so daylight savings time, the justifications for daylight savings time are basically a ridiculous amalgam of catering to various interest groups over the last hundred years, and this is you know, it's doable. Don't even know why it's place. So there's there's a justification that. It was better. For farmers who who would be able to have more daylight for their work, which again doesn't make any sense wake up whatever you want. Like, what time the clock says does not matter? And then there was a whole thing about how it was going to save electricity during the during the seventies. Because there were all these shortages and everyone freaked out again, like the, you know, the question of whether you're at home with a lightbulb on or at work with the lightbulb on doesn't seem to make a ton of sense to me there. In fact, have been many many studies done that show that all of these justifications are bunk. The the changes in the way that people live would have voided out anything like this from the get-go an in. There are already some states that don't do it. So it it maximizes the chances of being confused when you're trying to schedule a Tele con with people in different time zones. And all that is simply by way of saying the government can't tell me to change my clock. I changed my own clock. Man. Do you do you support getting rid of times? I totally do FYI. Have can we be a single libertarian justification by my because in fact, like I find it sort of vaguely creepy until Tele -tarian that that, you know, they're actually don't even really know if this is true, I think China in some technical sense has a single time zone. Although that might be one of those like urban legends leftover from the Cold War or something also five you dig straight down, Catherine. Yes, you get to China. Yeah. Now, I've done that. I've tried to do that. So I have no libertarian justification for wanting to end time zones. But I would very much like it. If we get all operate on Greenwich. Meantime because timezone math is especially challenging for me. For some reason. There's a hole in my brain. So I think I agree. But I think we should recenter it in, you know, whatever the geographic center of the United States if meantime, and then we we. Yeah. In a Banff or what with the help lauds of what is the geographic center of it somewhere in Kansas rent? Yeah. Certainly the cultural so because slate is here, and she's told us that no matter what we do. We don't predict anything predictions of for it could be anything could be random could be cultural could be reactions. It could be a you're just making a crazy bet and you want to get it out there on the table. So we can all be humiliated tomorrow. Nick, do you have any prediction at all about what will happen either Tuesday after by predict this is my lock of the week mad. Is that I will be humiliated one way or another it may or may not have anything to do or white work life. But I will I will insist now I'm you know, there's a bunch of marijuana legal legalization ballot initiatives in places like Michigan and North Dakota, Utah, Missouri or kind of floating around with it. And I one of my predictions is that this I guess this is not as exciting as it seemed just a minute ago. But this is the now, but whatever happens with the marijuana stuff. This is the year where it ceases to become an issue. And I think it's going to be full steam ahead on legalizing marijuana everywhere. And I've really interesting question that comes out of that between now and twenty twenty is Trump has said repeatedly as a candidate as well as even as president that he would sign legislation remanding regulation and control and decision making about marijuana to the states. That was a radical position among Republicans and Democrats Hillary Clinton did not go that far Bernie Sanders that in democratic primaries. But I think for me, it's you know, what what will say on Tuesday is the end of marijuana as a political issue, and it will become a policy issue about implementation and the speed and the and the quick it's amazing. How little there's been any discussion about a plot in this election or the state initiatives is just it doesn't even create much of a ripple anymore. Well, and then yeah. And then the, you know, the question about of the reason is I, you know, I feel bad because like I dreamed of a world I once when I was younger I dreamed of a world with legal pot, and you know, varieties and quality controls and all of that. I don't even like pot. So it's kind of you know, an empty gesture for me. But the other thing that I think is we're talking about with that and not not an election context. But when you start to undo the war on pot, you really do. Start to receive Asli undo the war on drugs because all of the Warren drugs is predicated upon pot whether law enforcement admits it or not, but there is such a massive edifice and superstructure of all sorts of law enforcement, all sorts of education programs, all sorts of people who are somehow involved in telling people not to use pot in pot has to be a legal, etc. This is it is a long long unraveling, and we don't really know where all the threads go when you start to pull on this. And it's gonna be challenging and interesting, and it's going to take decades to just get rid of all of the stuff that laws against pot have screwed up much less when you start to get into into other types of speaking of that your grad if you're wondering how we got to the point where is no longer a controversial issue. We have an excellent feature article in the latest issue of the magazine by Jonathan Rauch saying how how is it that twenty years ago? It seemed like the libertarian fights to legalize marriage. Wanna answer sex marriage were just an impossible quixotic task. And now they are one in the past. So check that out. Yeah. The only the only problem remaining is that, you know, gays still have trouble getting people baked cakes. This. Able to bake edibles for the but Slade has no trouble. Pronouncing quixotic like didn't trip over that. Even for a a half a second. It's it's I found it striking neck that in conversations that I've had over the last few months with people who've been working hard one way or the other on criminal Justice reform and sentencing reform. They are pretty bullish about the the sign readiness willingness to sign a Bill of the president. They think that he's going to go much further than certainly his current and not very long to last attorney general Jeff Sessions wants to go on some of this and not just do prison reform, but do a sentencing reform Bill, and if the house flips democratic which I expect to happen. And which is sort of rated now is like an eighty five percent probability with all the big butts of built in there and to emphasize those butts because always one should do that. In every way, like this Mexa lot of the the band, you'd see this enough thirty other place the band of like possibilities is so much wider precisely because some the stuff that we're talking about here with Slade that there will be. Here's actually here's my prediction. There is going to be at least one race, and and possibly some several where like nobody had predicted. It was possible that X candidate was going to win that it was a solid. You know, there wasn't a the word tossup was not used in this who will win because there will be some kind of X factor that we don't don't curly. See us Slade. What is your prediction about no predictions that we're gonna see on Tuesday? We could predict the behavior of people who are misbehaving. What want? Yeah. The only prediction I'm willing to make. And you have to remember that. I was roundly humiliated with all of my predictions during the twentieth sixteen primaries, which is one of the reasons, I'm. Just so scarred. Why why are we talking? She's learned from her mistake. Yeah. And and you can see because I have methods discipline. The only thing I'm willing to predict is that a bunch of people will actually freak out based on early exit polls tomorrow that turned out to be completely wrong. I mean, we will have an entire new cycle built. You know, an a narrative built that will turn out to just evaporate once the polls close in the actual balanced count. News think the spontaneous combustion will be highest on FOX MSNBC or that would be a prediction, and I will not be making it. I think oh, it's that's an easy for it's going to be CNN CNN is gonna be 'cause they they are always the ones. The fifteen different countdown clocks, and there's because they always have like forty people on every panel. Now, like the odds that someone is going to feel the need to differentiate themselves from the herd by saying something seemingly definitive at freaking, you know, eleven AM like CNN. I should mention just because it's on my brain of your remiss not to it's been interesting watching the Lucy, Brenton candidates say in in Indiana were Trump spoke. I think yesterday it's a tossup race again in a very important one in a fifty one to forty nine Republican majority world a tossup race between the democratic incumbent Joe Donnelly and Republican challenger, Mike. Brent a Mike Brown Brown like Steve Brown, Kansas City, Royals outfielder from nineteen seventies, Nick. But or Lloyd Braun the mayor's assistant inside why why not you know. I'll be. Oh, sorry. Character. How 'bout Verner Werner von rank, you Nazi worshiping Ron to be honest. I I, but I held that back. Right. I you know, I like to keep them guessing carry on Thai. So Brenton has who won five point five percent of the vote a running for Senate in Indiana in two thousand sixteen so she had a base to begin with an Indiana's particularly strong libertarian state, historically, I would Joe Donnelly as one of the biggest lumps of clay to be in the US Senate this sitting yes, he is. And so she's dumped what a digital polling it around six percents. Unlike almost all libertarian candidates the dick center, which that their poll. Most of them are doing the the usual late in cycle polling of collapse, or at least a reduction of their as people fly to to the the other places of the major parties that's not happened with her. But what has happened is that the Democratic Party, and even the Donnelly campaign it self have been? Sending out mailings to conservatives saying that the only true conservative in this race is Lucy Brenton. So there's been at least three mailings, and I think a an ad on if it's been broadcast, but definitely a video ad out there aimed at Republicans of to back the libertarian Donald Trump, obviously, a tweeted a rumor has it that Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana is paying for Facebook ads for his so-called opponent on the libertarian ticket. Eat didn't capitalize the pretension. Donnelly is trying to steal the election. Isn't that? What Russia did like that is one of my favorite of tweets in a long time. But what's interesting to beyond? The fact of all of that is that this has gone hand in hand with Donald increasing his lead before when on the few polls that have included the option of having her on the ballot in off the ballot. It seemed as if she was affecting the race the inclusion of hers affecting the race. Negatively for Joe Tonle that has now switched and you've after so will be very interesting to see the extent to which she is blamed for that outcome, and whether that strategy from the democratic point of view is vindicated or not. So it's something to watch for on Tuesday. I any other election thing that you guys wanted to to mention individually before we head to our end of show cultural consumption, Alan make I want to make my prediction, which is that someone is going to declare four twenty twenty the day after the election. That's my prediction, especially if Republicans do well, I think that some democrat is going to see this as an opportunity to be first in, and I think there could be any of a few, but our election seasons have been starting earlier and earlier, and I see no reason to think that we won't explicitly start the twenty twenty cycle on the day after the. Action. I also as a sub prediction predict that Hillary Clinton will say something in the few days after the election to keep speculation alive about her potential re entry into presidential politics that sound that you hear me barking all over of or my Los Angeles studio here. Thank I think also that you will see some libertarian whether you've heard of him or her or not also a announced there's been probably more activity or almost as much activity among the libertarian party jockeying for twenty twenty presidential nomination, even before prior to this election. Then there has before. That's that's pretty interesting to watch. Okay. Yeah. So I if I may for a final prediction, you know, the stuff that I've been reading, and I think this includes five thirty eight and a couple of other places that people are looking at about a thirty seat pickup by the Democrats, or that's the historical average for the party. That's out of power to you. Years into a mid term. And I I'm convinced by a couple of analyses. I've read for good reason. But that it's actually going to be the I think the Dem's need Twenty-three seats in order to take the house. I think it's going to be much closer to that. And I think the turnout is going to be pretty large, but it's going to remain super polarized. And what my hope for that is that things will change, but not as much as anybody expects, and that this will be the moment where people start to awaken from this fever of fucking carrying about politics over everything else and discussing stuff because if the if the Democrats win the house, they're not going to go forward with of sentencing were format. They're going to they're going to immediately start putting all of their skewers and probes into Donald Trump and everybody around him, and that is going to be a terrible that will be terrible outcome. So on the one hand, I'm hoping that the blase -ness of the election results show. Doc more of us into a post politics world, where we recognize politics is important for certain things. But we gotta get on with our lives. And we got to start taking serious issue. Seriously, not a migrant caravans and things like that. We have to start looking at entitlements. We have to start looking at big picture stuff. But mostly we need to stop having politics consume every aspect of every Darah lives, which is just it's it's did a note. Nobody's nobody's forebears came over here. So that we could be fucking talking about Donald Trump all day on Twitter. I will just dissent from the notion that skewering the president from the opposition party is a bad thing. I I want divided government to be fight fight. I just been it's gonna be a I I agree. But I mean, it's just going to be in place of any kind of substantive legislation and one of the biggest problems, I think about this a lot when I started writing about budget issues about fifteen years ago or so about half of the government's spending was discretionary men it had to be renewed every year and a half of it was. Automatic. And and now it's more like sixty two thirds almost three quarters of spending is auto on auto pilot, and that will continue to grow. That's entitlement spending. It is also interest on the debt and a variety of other things and defense spending, which is part of discretionary spending just gets a green light of you know, we we keep spending more on defense spending. It's it's a serious issue. Like that the I think one thing libertarians would be wise to do is to say, you know, what like gridlock is not our friend anymore. Gridlock is a problem because, you know, the insane people who took over the spaceship, and our NEB dead or have shot themselves in the capsule in the command module, and we can't get in. They set the they they locked down things. So that we are going to have bigger and bigger government, more and more spending. If we don't do anything, it's you know, the the the the the direction has to be changed. Let us now take Knicks advice and exits the political scene and talk about. What wonderful cultural things that you have been a consuming and or recommending a writ large. I'm going to start and also kind of cheat. Because the thing that I most excited about that. I have consumed culturally was the event we took a part in this past several days here in Los Angeles, culminating in the in the gala celebration for reasons fiftieth anniversary, and there's it was a beautiful thing utilizing all those of you who were there. And participated in it. No one will. Thank you for doing it because it was just a it was an era of good feelings, and of all the many discussions speeches, and all this kind of stuff that had me the gooey assed was a recognition of Bob pool. The founder co founder of reason associates and then later recent foundation who still turning out just an astonishing array of transportation, policy studies and more as like to new books out this year. It's very confusing. But he was greeted with the both toast from a former editor Virginia postal. And also a standing ovation that he richly deserves is the single person most responsible for reason continuing to grow and thrive over the years, and in his speech, he talks of a very movingly for me about a couple of occasions in which he had to sort of say, I I don't know. If this thing's gonna laugh. We might have to shut this down. I have to borrow money to to make payroll this month, and he persevered, and it was a very beautiful and touching Catherine. What thing have you been consuming? Besides all of what I just said all about you just said, I also because I was flying back and forth to Los Angeles watch some movies on the plane, and sell I didn't cry because I that's not real. It's not real that. When you're at a high altitude do cry more. I know you think that's true. But it's just get why can't you just admit that you cry at high altitude it says, it's a scientific fact it's really not the movie that I watched that. I want to talk about is opens eight which is the, you know, fifty seventh installment in the in the heist movie series. But this time with ladies. And the reason I want to talk about it is because it had I feel an undervalued antiwar on drugs subplot, which is that, you know. I don't think I will be spoiling anything in this movie. Tell you a bunch of ladies steal a fancy diamond necklace from the met ball. And there is a a a little interlude in which a busboy is used as an unwitting mule for this necklace, and he is called in by the insurance investigator, and he's like is like lying and stammering, and he seems super guilty. And of course, it's because he was out in the loading dock smoking, some wheat with his buddy. So it was just a nice little object lesson in like, oh, yeah. It's stupid to have all this enforcement on vice crimes because when you try to investigate real shit, it makes everything harder. So there's my book caffeine would a grew from a libertarian point of view that the employer should be able to write a specific contract that if you're smoking pot on the job. But like you could be lashed forty times. Just definitely like at that point. You become an indentured servant and have to, you know, pay off your to pay off your. Debt, but super bad frivolous movie, which was just exactly right for airplane viewing Slade. What movies? Did you see in the airplane? I was working on the airplane which. Were you saying aerobic? She was she was probably crying. But I did recently finish watching the second season of Ozark. The Netflix original TV show. What was that reaction? I I watched that. Sensitive about violence. It makes me cry even on the ground. So I watched the pilot that you're like a puddle you're a puddle in a plastic bag for emotional person. Neck. I think it's important to be in touch with your feelings. Go on slight the second season of Ozark is this by the way, this is a show that stars Jason Bateman of arrested development, but in a much more serious role. The second season involves him trying to open a steamboat casino in in the Ozarks. And he just keeps having to fight with government agents, and people who have been empowered by the existence of government regulations because there is a law on the books that says that there can only be so many casinos in the state. They have to want to political campaigns try to raise the cap, then they have to get buying from all the unions, many of which you know, shockingly happened to be your turn out to be tied to the mob in various cities nearby. They have to bribe members of the. The gaming commission. It's just an and there's, you know, death and destruction and misery ensue. And I recognize that that he in this show is not the most sympathetic protagonist because he is doing this. He he's doing all of this in an effort to make money for his his like drug Lord bosses who are threatening to kill him. If he doesn't make an a lot of money for them. That was like a real around fun show. It's a real end. It's a pretty good. And on the other hand it does. I mean, what they're not you think that like this character or his bosses are good or good guys. And you know, there's he's not a bad guy. There's these complicated character. But the again, the the fact Mike Jared love with him slay. The the point is that there is just like, a huge amount of death and destruction. And and violence that comes out of and black Mark, you know, black markets that come because of all of these politically imposed artificial. Fears to commerce in the state. But it's also worth remembering that just that? It's because of the I've in adult goes back to the Mexican cartels that are at the the origin point. So before the government there was a tower that was. Destroys we're legal it, then those cards. Cocaine spending. It is do you? Do you think that just from a kind of pure tourism point of view because it set around the lake of the Ozarks, which is one of the biggest man-made likes recreation areas in the country. It you think it's good for tourism or bad for tourism. Because on the one hand, it makes this place that you know, you'd seem kind of romantic and dangerous and everything and on another level. It's like everybody there is so deeply criminal and cut Morley compromise than violent. It's I'm not sure I wanna book long weekend there knick tickets home. What have you been consuming? Besides I was waiting to see Slade fish. What the fuck? Beautiful. I I don't know if it was shot on location or what? But the the lake looks just gorgeous. And it kind of did make me wanna go there. But the people portrayed in the show. Maybe not wanna go there. It is one of its it's part of like the dark universe of shows. I mean, breaking bad the sopranos a number of shows like that where everybody in even the least the the best characters the most moral characters are murderers. No matter what like everybody seemed it takes place in a very is. This your way of confessing to murder right now. That would be good. Wouldn't it? Just in the last two minutes of the podcast. I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna confess to a murder chatter. But I I am going to confess to murdering a taste. I the thing that I am actually reading I was talking with John Mackey of whole foods recently, who is you know, a libertarian businessmen and a vegan. He's one of the people who talking with him turn me out to veganism, and he has a cookbook out called the whole foods cookbook, one hundred twenty delicious and healthy plants at recipes and God damn it. If I didn't start reading it. And I am actually in transpired. And I'm I'm traveling. But one of the first things when I get home is there's a bunch of recipes. And this is like if I don't I'm not vegan for ethical reasons. It's it's strictly to keep calorie can't stand. So I can eat more in get super fat. And there are like you're always looking for who mommy or like flavor filled vegan dishes, and I don't I haven't tried it yet. But the way that this book is written, and it's a Mackey and a bunch of co-authors, the food the descriptions, and the pictures are really fucking great. And I'm absolutely looking for. To to try out some of this. That's all the ill advised midlife food experimentation that we have five four. Here on the reason podcast editor's roundtable. Addition police scrapped to us high tunes and write reviews of Knicks problems there that would be very helpful. And stay tuned all the week for the van. Thank you slayed for smartening. This thing up. I'm not saying that like Superman's Dom or anything like that. But like just compared to the rest of us making this place smarter. Thank you, all for listening and goodbye.

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Day 1,112: Team Trump blasts Romney as a 'coward' for historic impeachment vote

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,112: Team Trump blasts Romney as a 'coward' for historic impeachment vote

"The definitive book about Donald Trump's presidency is here written by Pulitzer Prize winning Washington Post journalist. Carol Lennick and Philip Rucker a very table genius is based on interviews with over two hundred sources including trump administration officials and reveals shocking new details about how they say. The president is putting America's democracy to the test the New York Times raves. This taught and terrifying book is among the most closely observed accounts of Donald J trump shambolic tenure in office to date the garden calls it richly sourced and highly readable. Not just another trump. Tell all it is unsettling not salacious a very stable genius. Yes available from Penguin Press. Wherever books are sold tonight the judgment of the Senate has been recorded not guilty on both articles of impeachment and now this political chapter is over accompanied by a whole new round of speculation and predictions about what might be yet to come? It was straight party line except for one man Mitt Mitt. Romney stood up and voted guilty after emotional remarks explaining why he had decided to become the first senator in history to cast a vote to convict against the president in his own party. Now he's already facing the wrath and the backlash and then there's the Iowa vote. That was on Monday. Remember we still still don't have all the results two nights later thanks to a meltdown debacle. Screw up and in the meantime the men who think they finished one and to you go after each other on this day. Three all of it as the eleventh hour gets underway on this Wednesday night. Well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day. Eleven hundred twelve of the trump administration which leaves leaves two hundred seventy two days until the twenty twenty presidential election. A major chapter in the political life of our nation came to an end today. The president was found not guilty by a slim majority of the one hundred senators who stood in judgment in his impeachment trial on both articles. The vote was party line. Fine except for one Mitt Romney of Utah stood up and said guilty and by doing so became the first senator ever to cast an impeachment vote against president in his own party in emotional remarks prior to casting his vote and anticipating the backlash that has quickly surrounded him. Romney talked about how he arrived at his vote as a Senator Juror. I swore an oath before God to exercise impartial Justice Yes. I am profoundly religious. My faith is at the heart of who I am I take off before God as enormously consequential I knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president the leader of my own party would would be the most difficult decision I have ever faced. I was not wrong. According to The Washington Post and we quote following Romney Speech Democratic Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii walked off the Senate floor in tears and remained speechless for several seconds. He literally restored restored. My faith in the institution shot said. The president's son slammed Romney for his vote earlier. This evening it's flip flopped for political expediency on every major conservative issue that he says he believes that now that he's in Utah again come to Donald Trump for his endorsement for money. When he was running he blew his chance? bigly he's not brave. He's a coward. The second impeachment charge obstruction of Congress went down indirectly along party lines fifty three forty seven. The Senate leaders both spoke before the vote. You cannot be on the side of this president and and be on the side of truth leaders in the opposite party increasingly argue that if our institution don't produce the outcomes they like our institutions themselves must be broken as you may know for days. Trump allies have have been promising a bipartisan acquittal. Expecting Democrats to cross over and join them this afternoon. Three Democrats from states trump one in sixteen sixteen all voted with their party to convict trump. Meanwhile Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine. Who voted to acquit is coming under fire fire? For saying trump had learned his lesson. Tonight she walked back even that wording there were so many of us who are Republicans can send the Senate who were very critical of the call. The call was wrong continued assurance that he would not do something like that again. Accept Foreign help but in anything related to someone that might be running with them. Did you talk to them about it at all. I had no conversations with him throughout the trial. So why do you have that feeling that he he has changed range that he learned a lesson may not be correct on the edits more aspirational on my part trump has yet to comment publicly on his acquittal. But did I'd say he would be making a public statement tomorrow. Twelve o'clock pm from the White House and his administration did issue a statement claiming that the trial quote ended in the full vindication and exoneration of President Donald J trump. Today's vote was far from the final word on all of this minutes after it took place. Republican Senators Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson sent a letter to the secret service director. Requesting information on Hunter Biden's travel records while Joe Biden Heiden was vice president and about John Bolton and hearing from him before we read it in his book today. House impeachment manager Jerry. Nadler Democrat of New York. Chair of the Judiciary Committee was asked about a potential subpoena point on. You said it's likely that your committee or some some combination of you here for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday tonight. Three of the last people standing in Washington. DC and he carney White House reporter with the New York Times. Nancy Cook White House reporter for Politico and Jeremy Me Bash former chief of staff at the CIA and the Pentagon former chief counsel to the House Intel Committee. Good evening and welcome to you. All Anti I'd like to begin with you with the chief justice and with the US Senate having begged off of this does a new era in fact begin tonight for this Roosevelt. It certainly does and I think we saw part of it yesterday. I think we're GONNA see a trump unbound if you thought that unbalanced. What we've I've seen already? I think this is a new chapter people. I've talked over the past few days. Quantum made a four factors. That are making them feel extremely confident as they looked down towards the heart of this reelection campaign one is the expected acquittal. That is now a reality to is the Iowa caucus mess that makes the Democrats look like a party in disarray. Okay and cast doubt over the whole election process Three was a chance to look presidential at the state of the Union. And and four was the Gallup poll that came out a few few days ago that showed his approval rating at an all time high So there are feeling very confident. They're GONNA go They're having another boatload of surrogates. Hit New Hampshire starting on Sunday. Trump has a rally there Monday night ahead of the Democratic primary on Tuesday They are Susan. Collins is right that it's aspirational national. I think they just learned that. The Party of Grievance is going to be saying we told you so and Nancy indeed having established all of that including including those four points. How did today differ from the White House plants? Well I think the White House was caught very much surprised by Mitt Romney speech They weren't really given a heads up ahead of time and so They had been planning and talking among themselves for several days. About what a victory lap speech would look like this afternoon and You know but the president. I wanted to see the vote. Tally and I think that they were surprised. By Romney's speech and then I think they had also really been hoping in recent days that a moderate Democrat in a state that trump won like Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia would potentially vote to acquit trump. And that also did not happen and so although they walked away today very victorious and trump was acquitted and I think that they feel very confident after last night state of the Union Union address. I think there were a few surprises this afternoon that they weren't necessarily expecting Jeremy Bash. I'm eager to get you on the record on what we have just watched unfold fold. It was striking today to hear. McConnell criticize democratic attacks on our institutions. How are those institutions solutions tonight? Do you think Jeremy but I think in the national security realm. I think people are worried. Because one of the signals that came out of this acquittal today is basically basically a green light to our adversaries. You can attack. Our institutions are elections our democracy and get away with it in fact the president may even invited it in and I think one of the messages that comes out of the acquittal is that the president feels emboldened. He did nothing wrong. It was a perfect phone call in his eyes. And this this decision validates. That's why I think we can expect him to invite additional foreign interference I think Russia will feel emboldened. The president has already invited China to interfere in our elections elections and there are a lot of other countries out there that said hey we can make a deal with Donald Trump. Maybe we'll get something in return if we help out in twenty twenty and he carney. What happens to Mitt Romney? We know well he made it very clear that he's not sure. But preparing for the worst we've already seen the attacks began Ron are at mcdaniel. His niece chairwoman of RNC came out really early with the statement attacking him the NC sent out A memo showing that. Donald trump is more popular than Mitt. ROMNEY UTAH That Donald Trump junior has been bashing him some White House advisers have been warning trump trump. That he should just move on take the acquittal. Not Focus on Romney move past the impeachment news cycle Judging by the past I think that is wishful wishful thinking. He may be alienated from his own party. But Mitt Romney as he said in a series of interviews. He has line. Is that the worst thing that can happen to you. In politics already happened to him. He lost the presidential race He's a wealthy man he's an older man My sense of him just serving him and Reporting on people around him is that if he does become a one term senator. That won't be the end of his life out and he's not add up for four more years so so he has a long time to see what how it shakes out for him. Indeed Nancy I wanNA play for you some of Romney with Chris Wallace. You realize this is war. Donald Trump will never forgive you for this. There's a there's a him that is assign at my church. It's an old Protestant him which is do what is right. Let the consequence follow. I know in my heart that I'm doing what's right. I understand. There's going to the enormous consequence and I don't have a choice in that regard Mansi that is kind of similar talk to heads on a pike. Yeah it's interesting I do think that You know the president came out on twitter. Shortly after Romney gave his address is an already early this evening. There was a video that went up on the president's twitter account mocking Romney. I was told that that was not produced this afternoon. But obviously added been something that people in the White House had been anticipating for a while and I think the president is supposed to deliver these impeachment remarks tomorrow noon in the East Room at the white the house and I think what will be really interesting is whether the president follows the advice of some advisers. And let's the state of the Union speak for itself and acquittals speaks for itself and just moves moves on and gives a forward looking speech or if he lets his own sense of personal grievance which he so often display shine through and goes after Romney in that particular. Venue Jeremy Bash. Our president is the first to come from the realm of reality television. It's been well established. He he likes a reveal kind of a staple of reality television. What did we just witnessed in your conjuring during the state of the Union? Well there were a couple of moments there Bryan that that I think will be remembered. One of them was sort of moving moment when a soldier was reunited with his family. But I gotta say upon reflection talking to some people today that in some ways rubbed some people the wrong way because in essence not only were using the troops as a political prop but it was a a sort of a a dicey and difficult moment for that family and for those kids. I mean they haven't seen the dad in nine months. I would have wished that that moment would have been private and then we would have allowed the family and their service in public. I also thought Brian Frankly that giving rush limbaugh. The Presidential Medal of freedom was inappropriate appropriate. I mean he's not Rosa Parks imagine what Republicans would have said. If a Democratic president would have given the Presidential Medal of freedom at the state of the Union. Someone like Michael Go more as much as we like. Michael Moore appreciate his humor and some of the points he makes the Presidential Medal of freedom. I mean come on on that note to the Anti Carney to Nancy. Cook to Jeremy Bash our thanks after a long day in Washington on this Wednesday night for joining us coming up for for us. What it's really like to cast a politically dangerous? Vote will ask someone who's been there and done that. Former Indiana Democratic Senator Joe Donnelly is standing by to talk with us and later any day. Now we should have the full results of the Iowa Caucus. Steve Kornacki is here with us with the numbers. We do have in including some new ones as the eleventh hour is just getting underway on this Wednesday night. If you don't know your numbers you don't Know Your Business. Most companies don't have a clear picture of their business and that's why many businesses struggled to grow net suite by Oracle is here to solve that problem as a business owner. 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Doing right is not a courageous at it is simply following your oath senator. Doug Jones from the deep red state of Alabama in the deep South cast a very tough vote today to convict on both articles of impeachment. He faces a tough election. Fight back home to other. Democrats cast similarly tough votes Joe Mansion West Virginia Kerstin Cinema Arizona Trump carried Alabama by twenty eight points West Virginia by forty two points Arizona by four with us to talk about tonight former. US Senator Joe. Donnelly Democrat of Indiana trump carried his state by nineteen eighteen points that left Donnelly vulnerable to a challenge by Mike Brown who is now in the. US Senate Donnelly served in the House. And the Senate and his CO founder of the One Country Project which aims to create new opportunities for Americans living in rural communities. Senator having voted no on Cavenaugh as you you did from the state that gave us Mike Pants your reaction to what Mitt Romney stood up and did today. That's that's the essence. It's of what a United States senator is supposed to be that you take an oath to support and defend the constitution. You don't take an oath to support and defend and a party or a president but the constitution of the United States and so When people said were you stunned by what Mitt Romney did I was not because you feel that way. You feel that responsibility and I know what kind of incredible person Mitt Romney is. How about Doug Jones? Same question the best of the best. He's a he's a close friend and when I saw the votes he made I. I actually thought that's what Senator Jones was going to do because you know. He focuses so intently on doing the right thing and in his mind. It was really really clear that there was was a Shameful Abuse of power and Doug did what his oath required him to do. How do we go from just in your time? In Washington and the state of the Union was jokingly called date night where members were asked to invite and sit with others from the other side of the aisle from the opposite party from that fast forward to last night and shouts of four more years just prior to the state of the Union. It's really breathtaking to watch some years ago. When when I was in the in House I sat on the other side where the Republicans sat with some of my Republican friends and in fact we all had a good laugh when when we stood up to cheer President Obama and they he said look at all the republicans cheering him but that was how it was and to to see? The incredible divisiveness is disheartening. And so what we have to do is go back to focusing guessing on on our jobs on our os which is not to worry about party or to worry about a president. Nobody works for a president. You work with with a president to do the best for the nation James Carville self-described old warrior seventy five years. Old Now was with us during our daytime coverage yesterday your day and I wanNA play for you. Some of what he said. Engage your reaction. I think that this is not going particularly well. So so far. And why is Tom Still The channel the Democratic National Committee. I have no idea this party needs to wake up. There's only one moral imperative parody in this country right now and that is to beat Donald Trump. That's only perk. It's the only thing I want to hear in until we understand that we win. Every argument Bronwyn argument anything. We don't win elections because we talk about stuff that is not relevant senator. What do you make of that? He's exactly right the whole idea. The One Country Project in our rural communities is The the wonderful wonderful people all throughout our country are focused on jobs and the opportunity to send their kids to good schools. And to know that there's food on the table and that they can retire with dignity dignity and when we talk about those issues when when Democrats continue to talk about them like talking about the fact that the president's for years been trying and to eliminate pre existing conditions Democrats. Do really really well when we go off the rails and spend all our time talking about cultural issues. We really struggle. Do you see a Democrat out there in the field right now. Who can beat Donald Trump? I do I think that in fact most all of them can as long because they're focused like a laser on the things that people want to talk about. When we're in Michigan we need to talk about jobs and we need to talk about the future? When we're in places is like Florida? We need to talk about climate change about the environment. These are the things that Donald Trump can't touch us on is the opportunity to make. I'm sure that terrorist go away. So we don't have our farmers in a place where bankruptcies are going up twenty percent that we don't have the debt exploding we talk about these meat and potato things about the fact that if you have cancer we were the party that brought you the opportunity to have health care and Donald Trump is is trying to take it away. Hillary Clinton goes into coal country. Says we'RE GONNA close your mind. But don't worry we're GonNa get you green jobs. Which of course never materialized allies donald trump make of this what you will runs on a pro? Coal Platform carries Joe Mansion State of West Virginia by forty two points joints. Are you teaching. Democrats speak American. I hope that's what we're trying to do is is to tell him. Look you cannot talk doc. About changing their lives without providing hope and a plan and aspiration in a chance for success that coal miner at the end of the day has children the table. Who are counting on him or her to come through for them and so As you say and it's a great way to put it Brian. We need to talk American to all the Americans not not just those on either coast former Indiana Democratic senator. Joe Donnelly thank you senator for joining us tonight and taking our questions coming up for us we are ever closer to knowing all the results from Iowa. They voted back on Monday. Steve Kornacki updates the Democrats. That's delayed vote count with some actual nouveau counts when we come back and the key to defeating Donald Trump is to deny him the ability to change the subject putting up some equal but opposite version of him is a recipe for failure. Because folks are GonNa go for the original we need to do something completely different senator sanders equal but opposite. said that what you're saying. Well I would certainly say that if you're asking me for why we don't need somebody who has the same kind of sizzle as president trump. I think we need a different approach. Small portion of Stephanie Rules Interview with Pete Buddha judge this evening which you can catch in its entirety nine. Am On this network eastern time tomorrow. The former mayor of south bend handy is hanging onto a slim lead over Bernie Sanders in the. The Iowa caucuses. That was Monday. Of course the picture is still murky since we are still looking at partial results on a Wednesday tonight we are learning more about the reporting APP. That seems to be the root of the problem. File this under no expletive deleted sherlock doc experts who examined it tell NBC News it suffered from technical and design flaws and appeared to have been rushed into use our national political correspondent. Steve Hornak he is back on duty remains on duty watching the numbers. I just past even the hallway. He was rather excited at a new trunch of numbers. Just into a Steve Heritage Brian. I was told it was on the way when I saw you in the hallway and here it is now up to ninety six percent reporting in Iowa only a few precincts left me to come in but there is some sudden last minute suspense in this one to explain this to you that you know. How complicated applicator? These caucuses are but let me take you through where we stand now and why. They're suddenly as some suspense. Oh this is what you've been. Seeing Buddha judge leading sanders it is seven tenths of a percent sentenced. Twenty six point four to twenty five point seven when we say he's leading. What are we talking about? We're talking about these numbers right here. Five hundred forty nine for Buddha. The judge five hundred thirty three for Sanders. What are these? These are what they call. State delegate equivalence you've probably heard that term once or twice in the last few days that's the a unit of measurement they use to determine the winner of the Iowa caucuses they used as the basis for distributing national convention delegates State delegate equivalents now the margin for Buddha judge right now over sanders is sixteen of those okay. That is come down over the course of the evening. It now sits at sixteen. Why there is last minute? Suspense has to do with this. Not something. You're going to see a map of Iowa. Something you're GonNa see down here in the lower right hand corner we only put this in here for sort of emergency use. It came to this. These are the satellite caucuses. You heard about these on Tuesday. They were taking place during the day. Various locations around Iowa in some cases around around the world folks who could not make it out to the caucuses scheduled for their precinct. In the evening we are starting to get. We've gotten the results from two of these now. What they did is basically basically? There's four is so complicated. There are four congressional districts in Iowa if you went to a satellite caucus in the first district all the satellite Caucasus. There were merged together in the second district. They were merged together third district and the fourth district and now we have the results. Here's what I want to show you. Take a look for instance at the second district. These are the satellite caucus gets results. Sanders won this thing in a runaway. fifty-three percent war in twenty one percent. Look whose name. You're not seeing here. He Buddha judge God's zero breath in Sanders fifty three percent. Look at what happened. In the other Congressional district we have satellite caucus results even more dramatic sanders got seventy five percent. Buddha judge get five percent so the upshot of this is what. Let's go back to those of not reported. The upshot of this though is what we have that state delegate equivalent total telling you about the gap is sixteen from those two I just showed you sanders was able to make up eight okay. There talk to to come in if the same exact thing happens in those that sixteen obviously comes down to single digits but sanders could do even better because the number of stay stay. Delegate equivalents for those satellite caucuses depends on turnout. We're not gonNA know the number two they tell us there's a possibility here. The number could be anywhere between twelve and twenty at a very high end that sanders is able to net here so the possibility exists sort of an outside possibility here but you can't rule it out looking can get those numbers we saw in the first two that sanders could catch Buddha judge in that state delegate equivalent count in those congressional district satellite caucuses. This is there are other precincts still to come in in the state. It's hard to see a clear advantage for sanders or Buddha. Judge in those. We'd have to wait and see but basically that's the wildcard were. We're waiting on satellite caucus results from two congressional districts system where Sanders has been showing a clear advantage over Buddha judge in the early returns and assistant. Unexpected acted wildcard. At the last minute here Brian. This could not have been made more complicated as you have struggled to point out. What's the chance someone is going to suggest in in the future may be one one one vote? Here is the problem with that. For if you're an Iowan and you'll love this national media attention the reason it's this this extraordinarily complicated and it's not as simple as you describe as that would be a primary election that would be a show up. You cast a ballot. You Count One person. One vote and New Hampshire Hampshire State Law. She's been on the books for decades now. Says they have to have the first primary in the country they empower their secretary of state. He can move the data week before the primary if he needs to too so I always had this sort of no aggression pact with New Hampshire for generations. Now we're Iowa hold something different than a primary a caucus with all of this convoluted convoluted stuff. Going on in New Hampshire is the primary and they each get to say their first in the nation in something maybe they could call it a toaster oven and still allow people to vote Steve Kornacki. Thank you for the hours. You have piled up and the courageous efforts to explain what is happening in Iowa coming up. Would you believe believe we are six days out from the aforementioned first primary in the nation of the twenty twenty season two of our road warriors. Join us from New Hampshire with the very latest. When we come right back I do believe it's a risk to be just straight up with you for this party to nominate someone who's never held office higher than mayor of Voc town of one hundred thousand people in Indiana after experience? What he called a Gut Punch in Iowa? Joe Biden is fighting. Back can New Hampshire with six days to go until the first in the nation primary former vice president seems to be splitting his sights onto to democratic opponents. Who saw strong results coming out of Iowa? We think Bernie Sanders and Pete Buddha. Just the late due to judge. The latest realclearpolitics politics polling average in New Hampshire has biden well behind sanders from the neighboring state of Vermont and only slightly ahead of Buddha judge. Senators is Warren. And you're not far behind with US tonight two of our NBC News Road Warriors. Shaquille Brewster's following the Sanders campaign and Mike Memoli remains covering. Joe Biden both gentlemen with us from Manchester New Hampshire tonight shack long before you were born a great man wrote. I know it's late I know. What's your weary? I know your plans don't include me having established that how frustrated is the sanders campaign especially really as Steve Kornacki reports. They're still finding votes under Hay. Bales an Iowa. That's exactly right Brian. And there's a growing sense of Russian among the Sanders campaign that frustration shifted from private conversations. That I've had with aides and advisers into the public realm after the Iowa Democratic Eric Party seemingly misallocated some votes earlier this afternoon they this allocated some votes from Senator Sanders to some of the candidates. That weren't even viable in this racing. Jason the Sanders campaign really blasted them on twitter about that saying that because it had the appearance of expanding the lead that Mayor Buddha judge had that was fixed. That era error has been corrected and that was that was not part of the results that showed earlier today but it goes into the sense of frustration that you're hearing from the Sanders campaign and the reason why this next to New Hampshire is because the campaign is making this argument. Don't focus on the delegate equivalents in Iowa. That's of course how we call the race. They want people to focus on the popular. Vote the raw raw vote data because in New Hampshire. It's a primary system so people go into their voting booth. They make us election and walk out. They feel like they're in a really strong position. Here in New Hampshire Hampshire. They've been knocking on doors. They've spent about five million dollars in television ADS. They feel like their ground. Game will really deliver it for them. Especially when you look at the average of polls that you just mentioned eighteen so the sanders campaign is growing frustration about Iowa. They want that to be over. They just want to come out of Iowa with a good finish because they want to ride some momentum. Tom Into New Hampshire where they think they are on much stronger. Footing and having good finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire they feel that really leaves them into having really good momentum going in the rest of the primary and Mike Mentally about the campaign. You're covering there is a devastating post mortem that went up in the New York Times about what went wrong wrong with the Biden effort in Iowa even though he had what was generally considered a good and emotional outing at a CNN townhall tonight there's tracking poll out showing Buddha judge inching up Biden inching down. That's the opposite of momentum. Coming into New Hampshire. How frustrated are they? Mike Will Brian all that confusion in Iowa and the questions from the Biden campaign about whether to even challenge judge the those results and questioned the integrity of the caucus process has proven to be a little bit of a diversion from two very difficult conversations. That are now underway in earnest within the Biden in campaign one about the state of their organization whether they have really built the kind of effective campaign that you need to have in order to win the nomination fingers are starting to be pointed. Did as you can begin to see in that time article. The second question has to do with the vice president's own performance on the trail. Frankly whether or not he has shown the kind of fight That is necessary to convince those voters that your argument about electability and taking on Donald Trump is one that you can actually meet. We saw him at least begin to address. Is that second question today in summers were you played him sound of him attacking Mayor Pete Buddha questioning whether he's ready to take on the job it also translated into him Showing a little bit of humility saying he's not going to sugarcoat the results that they're trying to build a comeback with Biden acknowledging that Gut Punch saying he wants to a a happy New Hampshire helped him with that comeback. It's also interesting Brian. I think to see him now. Engaging in that conversation with Bernie Sanders much more explicitly where it's a conversation. He's wanted to have with voters all along but today raising the threat of president trump tags attaching the socialist labeled to every Democrat up and down the ballot. By saying today the Democrats need to get real about taking on Donald Trump and Bernie sanders as the nominee puts a lot of Democrats in congressional seats. All across this country in a very Difficult position but Mike even those glancing kind of drive-by attacks from Biden today were by and large on teleprompter and you still see the the former vice president glancing up to read them which is one of the knocks on him that he has not just come. Forward made himself available to speak English. The Biden campaign says. There's no better retail politician than Joe Biden. In the New Hampshire. Primary is all about retail politics. He could be spending being this week going in and out of diners going in and out of town hall meetings talking to voters and instead Brian Joe Biden is not appearing in public tomorrow at least according to his public schedule and he's very likely not to appear in public on Friday as well. That's because they're getting him ready for that debate on Friday night but it's very real question about about whether that's an effective use of his time and and addressing that other question about whether or not. He's showing he's in it to win it and shack in thirty seconds or less Biden is eager eager to get to South Carolina. They believe that's the heart of their campaign effort sanders. Would you say eager for South Carolina to come on on after New Hampshire. I think he's very happy about the fact that Nevada in South Carolina are so close together and then he can look forward to Super Tuesday. This campaign is not spending money in south. Excuse me not spending money on the television airwaves in South Carolina just yet if you look at the greater the greater country. They're already spending ads spending money on ads in California and in Texas for example. So it's very clear. They want to blow past South Carolina. They do send their surrogates. There they do have staff there on the ground but it's very clear where they're focused on where their priority is to gentlemen with miles to go before they sleep. Shaquille Brewster Mike Memoli. Thank you for making time for us here tonight coming up for us where Congress and the bitterly divided political parties go from here. There's got to be a morning after when the eleventh hour continues. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll we'll be talking with Beth. macy author of dope sick dealers doctors and the drug company that addicted America. The big problem is. There's still a huge stigma that says if you're taking one of these life saving medications you're treating drug with another drug and I saw people over and over in my book die because of that outdated needed unscientific attitude. That's this week on. Why is this happening? Look it is not appropriate for any candidate for federal office certainly including a sitting president to ask for assistance from a foreign country. That's not appropriate. Is it appropriate for a president. You're you're going to have an investigation. It's nonpartisan investigation investigation. Gets an answer that you get from a very serious investigation. Is there any evidence at all the president trump threat to take eight away from the Ukraine unless investigate by nor do his political big. The answer's Yes. I'll be on your show very very disappointed with our president. All righty then. That was then in the end. All those guys voted not guilty. Mitt Romney was the only Senate Republican looking to stand up and go the other way here with us for more on this consequential night is our friend. Bill Kristol veteran of the Reagan and Bush administrations editor-at-large editor at large of the bulwark also happens to be director of defending democracy together. A group advocating for Republican Party. That rejects what it calls quote nativist vest and authoritarian impulses bill. I'm going to start by quoting too great men you. I proud to be an old Republican Reagan. George H W Bush Dole George W Bush McCain. Romney and Charlie Sykes up in Wisconsin. He wrote this today about Mitt Romney. His vote won't change the outcome. But it's striking. How how one man alone can dramatically change the mood the tone and the moral character of this final vote and I was recalling tonight? I've asked you a good number of times right here. If Mitt Romney had it in him. And we've speculated about that. What's your answer tonight? Last night is yes. I always thought it would actually vote to convict. I think that's what he believed and he did it. I've been struck. Also the last hour hours since he voted with seventy eight hours moved. People seem to be by this. I mean It's it's only one vote doesn't change the outcome. He's probably pretty safe there in Utah. You know they don't run reelection five years from now four years from now whatever but it I think people were they wanna believe that some politicians sometimes the thing act on principle. Don't simply go with the party or with the pressure on them willing to withstand that pressure any also eloquent and intelligent into explaining his vote so it was an unusual moment and I think it will have some ripple effect every journalist like an F. seven key on the keyboard is using you know so some version of newly emboldened President Donald Trump. Do you buy into that. Do you mean D. Do you believe that is the direct outgrowth of what happened today. Yes I think incidentally. Well it's on the flip side of the thing. Is Romney Romney. I think the degree to which look. I don't think it's going to save the Republican Party in the short term. I think people like me. We got to try to help the Democrats nominate someone electable and reasonable. And that's the best thing that can happen for the country and on November third. So Romney doesn't change that but we do want to have to healthy parties in this country and Romney's vote though it's one senator out of three senators one hundred ninety seven or something. Congressman is still kind of gives a little. Bit of the flicker of light on the other matter. I think people have been addressed. I mean people say trumps bold and but they really need to think concrete. What does that mean? And I think it's dangerous and worrisome. Look these stories right away that they were calling the in Iowa trying to mess up the phones a little bit. That's a tiny tiny little tip of the iceberg of what the Games they can play on the Democratic primary side but what about using government resources and assets to influence the election campaign domestically and abroad. Does anyone think trump isn't going to think of doing that. The administration. We're going to say no sir you can't really just announce you know ten new divert money to competitive states and do so without and getting congressional approval and so forth. God knows about foreign policy and stuff so I think it's dangerous dangerous honestly just for the country. We've had people push things on the edge Nixon especially an election years but I think for the country. It's sort of dangerous state. Nine months friend of mine from back home in New Jersey said today wants Romney to run as the Democratic nominee absent that possibility handicap for us. What you're seeing on the other side and the name that has come up nowhere in our coverage today or tonight Mike Greenberg of New York so I was a big deal? In the media's being media have obsessed with the media story hey where you know and this kind of screwed that up but look. It's still people though the results by Friday Saturday they know now basically and voters will although the New Hampshire donors although them so the notion that it doesn't have fundamental big consequences because the results were buddied for the first forty hours will turn out to be silly. I think they are constance. Joe Biden was. The front runner was thought to be the front runner he ran forth and not even a close fourth. He is no longer the front runner. That's a big deal. Sanders is a front runner. Maybe the front runner honor Buddha judges now the main moderate opponent sanders warrant sort of hanging in there. But essentially it's worn again in New Hampshire. He kind of becomes presumed with the progressive so candidate. Buddha judge has a shot to be the alternative to Sanders. I could do very well. He's moving up in New Hampshire so that could become a sort of like Iowa. I think Buddha judge and Sanders tied for Costa Tonight for the top. We'll see what Buddha judgment in doing that and South Carolina and then bloopers lurking if footage. Doesn't you know Oh kid solidify as kind of the alternative. I think twenty people here though I respect Bloomberg and I think he has a shot but I think people are discounting blue judge to watch you know. We've seen this if you look at the field of seventy three year. Old President Seventy seven year old people running against him literally right Senators Biden and Bloomberg back and I think a lot of voters might look people to judge and say we Kinda Dicey for five years older nice female mayor of a slightly bigger city. You know what he looks like a sensible guy and we do need to have a generational racial change. Look at the Congress Mitch. McConnell let's see seventy four seventy five Nancy Pelosi seventy nine find people but it's a little crazy honestly so I think Buddha judges people are still underrating. What he did with that showing in Iowa does remind me a little? Jimmy Carter in seventy six. You know who's able to go nowhere to become the nominee and the president uh-huh Bill Kristol. It's always a pleasure. Thank you day. I have another one as we said coming up. A great ride and a long life have come to an end when we we continue various last thing before we go tonight the long-life life an icon has come to an end kirk. Douglas has died at the age of one hundred three his life followed the Ark of the American dream. His film chronicled so much of humankind are look back tonight from. NBC News Correspondent. Cynthia McFadden's for decades. He was one of America's leading being men handsome charismatic strong Douglas's energy intensity lit up the screen start shootin in kid born in one thousand nine sixteen in upstate. New York the son of immigrant Russian Jews. He was married twice and had four sons. The oldest Michael Goal became a star himself. His career spanned five decades acting producing even director. A stroke seriously. 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But the national Republican congressional committee has not spent anything in their race and actually spent twenty million dollars fewer less than it did back in twenty sixteen. Now, you talk to Republicans on the part of the national probably congressional committee, and they'll say that they have to spend twenty million dollars special elections instead, and they say the Paul Ryan super bag could've spent even more money because they don't have the same contribution limits that that committee does now. The overall concern that Republicans all over Washington are expressing whether or not the White House has messaging for sickly the president's messaging about immigration was affective, particularly for these House Republican candidates people like John Culbertson in Texas will heard in Texas, this CRA Bello in Florida, whether or not that was more effective than the talks about jobs versus mobs and the economy that was the Republican message from last month, but the president instead shifting the conversation immigration and the concern tonight from Republicans is that hurt some of these key GOP lawmakers in those races, and that could eventually lead to Democrats take control of the house tonight. Jake, I guess we'll see you also just spoke to the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. Well, what did he have to say? Yeah, he was just leaving the Senate floor, and we caught up with them asking. How about how he was feeling and he was mum saying we'll. Ask me afterwards. How I feel. I'll tell you how I feel depending how tonight turns out, and I asked him are you predicting Republicans will stay in the Senate majority. All he would say, I sure hope so as he went into his office and Republicans today nervously looking at the Senate races worried that they may only pick up maybe they'll be happy with that. But it could go either way as these races, so close as polls closing just a matter of moments. All right. Monty Roger on Capitol Hill. We'll be watching how that plays out throughout the evening. Two of the races that we are watching very closely tonight are the Senate races in Missouri, and Texas, and we reporters live in both of those states love and Deras in El Paso, Texas is at the headquarters for democrat Beto Rourke's trying to win the Senate seat currently held by Ted Cruz. Rebecca Berg is in Springfield, Missouri. At the headquarters for Republican attorney general, Josh Holly. He's trying to capture the Senate seat currently held by Claire mccaskill first Rebecca Rebecca polls show this race a dead heat. President Trump was rallying support there for Holly. Just last night. How does? Holly feel I saw he was behind in one poll, but it seems pretty neck and neck. That's right, Jake. It's been neck and neck for pretty much this entire race. And so both sides today. Very nervous going into tonight. No one knows how this race is going to turn out that my piece of prising to some of our viewers when you consider that President Trump won the state of Missouri by nineteen points in two thousand sixteen but the politics here are a little more complicated. It's not a straight partisan state in two thousand sixteen when President Trump dominated here. Republican Senator ROY blunt only won reelection by less than three points over his democratic rival Jason candor. And so there isn't a clear edge here for generic Republican, Missouri. It's called the show me state for a reason voters want the candidates to prove themselves to them. And so one of the big questions is did Josh Holly, the Republican candidate close the deal with Republican voters with Trump supporters here in the state of Missouri. He's not very well known. He's only been in office for a couple of years statewide, and so he's been introducing himself. Too much of this state throughout this campaign. Meanwhile, Claire mccaskill has developed a reputation in Missouri among during many years as an elected official and someone running statewide in the state, of course, President Trump working very hard to try to get his supporters to come out for Republican, Josh Holly. He was here in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. And last night he's been in misery multiple times throughout this campaign. The wild card in this race, Jake will be which side has the energy is going to be Democrats and Claire mccaskill or will the Republican base turn out for Josh Holly. We're going to be waiting here bringing you updates on election night. There's no early voting in Missouri. So all of the voting is happening right now today on election day, it used to be the Missouri was about whether for the presidential election tonight is going to be a bellwether for the Senate, Jake or Berg, thanks so much. Let's go to Levin dare right now. He's at Aurora headquarters in El Paso, Texas. And had this race has gotten a lot of attention. Congressman Rourke's behind in the most recent polls, the campaign feeling that what they see in the field will actually result in more votes than they're seeing in the Poland. Well, they are banking on this operation that they have spent the last twenty months building. And they are hoping that all of the polls and all of the analysis that has gone on beforehand. They believe has no way of really measuring what they've been able to build here. More than seven hundred and twenty-five what they describe as pop-up offices around the state to generate a voter turnout into canvas neighborhoods block walk and that sort of thing. But it's still a question in better rock mentioned this last night as he capped off his his campaigning that essentially what this election will come down to a real test of that operation that they've built whether or not this has all been hype and for nothing or whether or not the operation that they have built here is the real deal here in the town of El Paso, the election headquartered watch party will be held in the minor league. Baseball stadium of the Paso chihuahuas. That's the stage in soundcheck she'd been hearing going on behind me here throughout the night. And here the giddiness and excitement among Democrats here in tech. Texas is really hard to overstate and here in L Pasha. One local resident Jake told me that there hasn't been an event like this happen. It will pass since nineteen sixty six Texas western university. A team that fielded the first team of African American basketball players all black basketball team won the NCAA basketball title back in one thousand nine hundred sixty six one local resident told me here. This has been this would be better a work were to win the big biggest event to take place here in El Paso since. Then all right love and era. Thank you so much democratic Senator Chris van Holland joins me. Now, he's the head of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. Senator good to see you. Thanks for joining us. Good to be with you on election day, Jake. So I don't know if you remember this, but eight years ago when you were the head of the democratic congressional campaign committee in charge of the house, and I was with a different network. You told me that you were confident the Democrats are going to retain the majority in the house and your party went on to lose more than sixty seats in the house. Now, you being polite and diplomatic at the time. You said it was going to be a challenge. Are you? How confident are you feeling today about the Senate about Democrats in the Senate compared to how confident you were feeling eight years ago about Democrats in the house? Well, Jake, I've said from day one in the Senate races that this is a very difficult road for Senate Democrats, certainly to get a majority. In fact, the story of this race is the fact that we're so competitive right now in the states that that Trump won big, and that you, and I are not even talking about the mid western states that Trump won Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan. Those are not on anybody's big board tonight. So we're going to be battling it out. This is a very difficult path. This is the toughest political map that Democrats have faced in sixty years. And so that's just sort of realistic view. Now, the fact of the matter is turn out has been good in the early vote and turn out as good around the country. So let's wait and see. But this this is a very tough road for Democrats to get to a majority in the Senate, in fact, is I think the real story is the fact that we're. Fighting it out at the point. We are. I mean, we just did we just did a reporter hit in Texas, not a state where we're Democrats normally compete, very, well the map is definitely a tough for Democrats this year. Republicans say they they might even pick up a or to North Dakota, for instance, or Indiana. A do you think it's possible? The Democrats might actually take the house but lose a seat or two in the Senate. I do believe the Democrats are going to win a majority in the house. But again, I'd just everybody's gotta get out. And though does you know, a lot of the polls are all open on the east coast. We got a lot more hours to go out west look as I said the Senate is much tougher road. I'd say any kind of majority. So I'm not gonna make any predictions with respect to particular races. I will say that. The president's really extreme rhetoric has turned off a lot of swing voters. And the fact that Republicans have spent the last two years trying to dismantle the Affordable Care Act and take away protections for people with preexisting health conditions has had a significant impact. If you look at Nevada in Arizona there you've got a Senator or Republican Senator dean Heller who voted to strip away protections for people with preexisting conditions. Martha mcsally the Republican Senate candidate help lead the charge in the house to take away those protections for people there. They're trying to spin it all differently now. But the reality and the truth is that's how they voted and people are going to hold them accountable. I understand you're not gonna make any predictions. But let me ask you. What state? Are you going to be watching as as the best bellwether? Meaning that if you're doing well in it, it will likely symbolize that there is a democratic wave that even helps the Senate for you. Jay, there's just too many states. We've got we got seven tossup states in the Senate races right now. And so I don't think there is any one state to watch obviously Florida's going to come in among the earlier returns. And so we'll be watching very carefully. What happens there? There are a lot of house races that can provide some indicators as to how some of the Senate races will go like, Nevada, Arizona. But again, I'm what I'm trying to do right now is monitor turn out in different states, turn out overall seems to be good and healthy for Democrats and independence. But as you know, in those very deep red, Trump states, in addition to winning Democrats and independence are senators have to win a Republican votes. And the reason they've been able to do that in the past. And the reason they're competitive today is they've always stood up first and foremost for their states. And they've been very clear that they will work. President Trump when it's good for their state and they'll oppose them when it's not good for their state like on the healthcare issues, and certainly on Mitch McConnell. The Republican leaders proposal to cut Medicare and social security now that they blew a huge additional hole in our in our deficit and debt. So I think all these issues are coming into play as we speak and voters will have to render their judgment Senator Chris van Holland democrat of Maryland. Thank you so much. Always good to see you. Good to be with you. Thanks, Jake at seven pm eastern. Some polls will close in Florida, though, not the polls in the panhandle. That's a state with two of the most hotly contested elections in the country. Democratic Senator Bill Nelson is fighting to keep his seat against a challenge from current Republican governor, Rick Scott and democratic mayor of Tallahassee Andrew gillum wants to become the first African American governor of Florida and in Florida history, and he's running against former Republican congressman Ron to Santa's. Or a Sanchez is live from the Santa's headquarters and Ryan nobles is that Guillem headquarters. I you Boris how bullish Republicans feeling about winning the governorship. They seem to have been fighting up hill battle at least in terms of how to Santa's has been fighting. That's right, Jake. Yeah. A source inside the Disentis campaign today told me that they are feeling confident about tonight telling me that the candidate is feeling good. He's apparently already here at his campaign. Party of stairs watching coverage with his wife. We've been told a number of times that Santa's has tried to cast himself as a Trump acolyte somebody who's very closely aligned with the president on a number of issues, including immigration you. Remember that commercial where his kids are building a toy wall and reading the art of the deal, a source inside the campaign told me there watching several areas very closely, including the I four corridor from Daytona Orlando and Tampa as well as the panhandle which noted is closing polls later than the rest of the state. That's an area where President Trump saw an overwhelming amount of support in two thousand sixteen. They're also looking closely at Miami with her counting on Cuban-Americans also voted for President Trump. That's why Disentis was in Havana last week talking about indicting relic Castro. This is going to be a close. As in. Disentis succeeds. The president could see this as a referendum on himself in the sunshine state, which is called his second home just last week at a rally with the Santa's he told supporters. This is my state too. All right Sanchez. Thank you so much. Let's go to Ryan who's with the Gillam campaign. Ryan tell us what the mood is where you are. What you have talked to Democrats across the board in Florida today. And they all have the same exact feeling about tonight. They are optimistic but they're not quite confident. And the reason they're not quite confident is because frankly, Democrats have a miserable record in Florida when it comes to midterm elections. Like, these in fact, they haven't won the governorship here in the sunshine state since the late nineties, but they do feel like this year is different. And one of the reasons I think it is different because of the candidate at the top of the ticket. Andrew gillum represents the type of voters that Democrats are going after young voters voters that come from different minority groups, and they believe that Guillem has the type of energy and enthusiasm to drive those voters to the polls. Of course, the big caveat. Jake is those voters are traditionally unreliable, and they're especially unreliable in Florida. However, the early returns have them encourage they believe that they see an uptick in early voting among those groups, and if those groups come home tonight, they feel that it's going to be very difficult for Democrats, including Bill Nelson who's running for the. Senate and Andrew gillum who's running for governor to lose tonight. But Jake, everyone concedes at this one is going to be tight at it may be a long night for both sides in there. Ryan nobles. Thanks so much Joe tripping Amanda carpenter. Tina Turner, David urban are still with me. Joe? Let me start with you. Rick Scott, the governor running for Senate and Rhonda's scientists the former congressman running for governor both Republicans they have approached President Trump very differently. Rick Scott in ads saying he'll he'll be with President Trump warnings. Right. And he'll stand up to him when he's wrong this Santa's embracing Trump wholeheartedly, which do you think is smarter politics for a mid-term election in Florida? It's clearly supporting him when he's right and moving away from taking him on when he's wrong. I mean, that's the I I think it's really tough for Republicans to separate themselves from Trump. He is just so I mean, just shines a spotlight, and and just grabs the whole thing. And then. And is so divisive in abusive and on the attack constantly that I think even sort of Republicans who want to try to sound like they're for common ground can't get there from here with some of these voters. I wanna say what's so exciting about the Florida racist that you have to marquee races. The Senate the governor to parties but four extremely different candidates. You have the Trump Republican into Santa's you have the centrist kind of business Republican Scott, you had the old school modern democrat with Nelson. And then you have the exciting progressive and Gilliam, so depending on how those shakeout he'll they will win by different marches and might be a grab bag, but that will tell us a lot about how to campaign and win and twenty twenty but we have no idea what formula is going to work. And what's interesting, Nina? President Trump has said gillen's not qualified for the gun governorship. He's called him a thief. I know there are a lot of individuals in Florida on the progressive left and African Americans who feel like President Trump is using Rachel coded language. Calling him. A thief at cetera. Is it working in getting Gillingham's voters excited and enthusiastic about voting? Or is it or is it depressing? The vote I think in some ways it is exciting. But again, I was there on Sunday. And it's not just that. But you know, the president has racial is this race he racial is the race for Andrew gillum. He also racial as the race in Georgia for steaks aged Abrams. He brought race into this and the call an African American man thief. We all know exactly what he's intimating. They are no secret. But people have something to both for the African American community the black community as a whole in all of the residents of Florida's not just against President Trump, but it is four Andrew gillum. So there's a sort of pride. Oh, no. You didn't. And we are gonna come out here and show you to me I got the same fill in in two thousand twelve remember when leader McConnell, Senator McConnell Mitch McConnell said we're gonna make President Obama one time president he said that one term one time one term president. You're right. But then in twenty. Well, when his back was against the wall, and it was all on the line, the African American community in particular had the same Fillon. Oh, no. He will get another term. And that is exactly what I saw on the ground in Florida for mayor Gillam. What what are you seeing on the ground that you find it? So so let me just go to Joe's point. I'll give you African Americans somebody to vote for a good friend of mine West Point grad African American running in Michigan. John John James who had a great live and talking about how Joe saying how do you run? And he said, I don't want. I don't want to misquote because he's really good. I'm capable of disagreeing with the president without attacking him and agreeing with him without worshipping him. I think in that the Santa's ad he cut a cry. You gotta jump the shark. They're a little bit, right? I think John James has the right message, hopefully, it'll resonate Michigan. But that's a message. I think that it's a winning message when you're running you could attack the president you could you don't have to attack them. You could disagree and you can admire without worship again. Right. And I think that's the line that these these members need to walk. There's also a lot of people saying that if Nelson wins tonight, he Han Gillis, right? Andrew gillum is generating where they site and hitting keynote absolutely many in a bouquet of flowers on top of the I mean, even democratic friends of mine didn't acknowledge the beginning this race that he was you know, Bill Nelson was Dead Man Walking. Right. I mean, he was going to be done. And if it wasn't for Andrew gillum that Bill Nelson with get would be not Senator. And I think the same thing is going on in Texas with with bed O'Rourke, he went I don't mean about him winning. And I think you know, it's going to be close. And maybe he can. But what he's doing is. He's really attracting a whole bunch of young people and other folks that are that may make a big difference in those house rings. Meadow this Beto mania like better will he's in forty seven. That's that's the top that guy who ran against Ted Cruz last time. I think I'd forty four better rooks, but eighty million bucks like two or three points with their as the voter models. Correct. And I never have any idea if they. But it could win three or four house seats for Democrats in Texas. Fado has all the money and all the enthusiasm and the world. But when you read the stories about his campaign. They don't have an internal polling director why they have no strategy to flip Republican voters and it ruby red state. Why that does seem to you still might practice to be? I think I may there wasn't just a good article by I think it was Tim Alberta magazine about how he would have had a better chance. Perhaps if he had tried to appeal to all these Republicans who don't like Ted Cruz. He's still has a chase. Who knows to make an argument? Joey trump. Thank you so much coming up next. We're standing by for the first exit polls, plus John king at the magic wall working his magic with what he'll be looking for tonight as the polls close stay with us. You know, what's not smart job sites that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. But you know, what is smart ZipRecruiter dot com slash tapper. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you ZipRecruiter finds them for you. 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We're in the thick of what is perhaps the most critical non presidential election in modern times. It's clear. Many of the votes being cast today are being cast either four or against President Trump and his policies and the future of the Trump presidency. Could hang in the balance democratic house will definitely mean oversight and investigations of the Trump administration, and it could possibly even mean impeachment of President Trump. There are signs of enthusiasm around the country. I want to show you some video. We just got into CNN of lines at the polling station at Arizona State University in Tempe. Big Senate race in that state lines wrapped around buildings in Kentucky a tight congressional race in a district. President Trump won by double digits in two. Two thousand sixteen that wraps up at six PM eastern it pits. Three term incumbent Republican Andy Barr against first time candidate and former Marine Corps pilot, Amy mcgraff at seven pm polls will close in a race that drew names like Obama, and Oprah and Trump and pants. That's the race for Georgia's governor between Democrats Stacey Abrams and Republican Brian camp. Also at seven pm in Indiana, red state democratic Senator Joe Donnelly trying to hang on against Republican challenger and businessman. Mike Frong northern Virginia which has become a cauldron of slimy political ads Republican congresswoman Barbara Comstock is attempting to hold off democratic challenger Jennifer waxed in and that is where we find CNN's Brian Todd in northern Virginia specifically in sterling Brian tell us about the turnout and the energy out there today. Jake. The turnout is off the charts. According to the registrar of the deputy registrar of Loudon county, they have broken records. Here. It is more than double the voter turnout from two thousand fourteen th midterms and one of the reasons is because people are the first of all it's a steady stream of voters in precincts. Like this one the seven hundred second precinct it Parkview high school. But another reason is because they're they're doing a very good job of moving people in and out of here pretty quickly. You register here you check in here with your ID. Then you go to these stations. And then the votes are tabulated over here. We love it. When little kids come to the polling places here. The votes are put in here by paper ballot. And then tabulated another reason Jake that it has gone so smoothly here in at least in Loudon county is because in this tenth district voting in Virginia. It's a pretty simple ballot. Check it out you vote for Senate for Corey Stewart that the Republican Tim Kaine the democrat or Matt waters for the house of representatives, Barbara Comstock and Jennifer waxed in the race. You were just talking about. And then. Ballot initiatives front and back, and then you're out. So this is a very smooth process of very simple ballot. And then they move you through just three hours now until the polls close, and as you mentioned Jake this is hotly contested race. It's these suburban battlegrounds that are determining the balance of power in the house throughout the country. But no more emblematic really than here. Well, this race very hotly contested a Barbara Comstock, really in a struggle to save her seat against the democrat, Jennifer waxed. And you mentioned it brought President Obama to this precinct just yesterday campaigning for both waxed. And and Tim Kaine. So drawn a lot of energy nationally and locally. And what's also interesting here is that this could be the first time in nearly forty years that Republican does not hold this seat in Virginia's tenth district. So Barbara Comstock, again, kind of up against the ropes and this fight against Jennifer Weston, and it could be historic here in northern Virginia. Jake alright Brian Todd live in the Commonwealth of. Jinya? Thanks. Let's go to Pamela Brown. Now. She's at the White House and family. You're learning that the White House is paying close attention to wants Pacific race Kentucky's six district polls there as we mentioned close in less than two hours. And that's a district that the president one overwhelmingly, but that house race is very competitive. That's right. Jake sources familiar with the White House's thinking are pointing to Kentucky six congressional district as one of the most closely watched races by Trump's team tonight that there are a couple of reasons as you pointed out it's one of the districts to have the polls close I at six PM eastern time. Also at the district that Trump won by sixteen points during the last cycle. But now the Republican incumbent Andy bar is locked in a virtual tossup of with the democratic challenger, Amy McGrath. So if Andy Barr the Republican loses this race tonight, the hits going to be a long night for Republicans. As one of the sources told me now, the president has been getting updates from his political team throughout the day on voting and and model. Of how voting is going. He will be spending the evening in his residence with those closest to him his family vice president Pence as well as top aides who will be briefing him throughout the night. Now, one source close to the White House says that the president is realistic that his party could lose seats in the house. But that he is confident that Republicans will gain at least one seat in the Senate. We will have to wait and see Jake. All right, Pamela Brown. Thanks. We'll check back with you in a little bit. Joining me. Now, our panel of experts. We have Joe trippy is a consultant for democratic Senator Doug Jones in Alabama and the former campaign manager for Howard dean's presidential campaign. We also have with us. Former communications director for Republican Senator Ted Cruz Amanda carpenter. Former Ohio State Senator Nina Turner, and former Trump campaign strategist, David urban and David should point out you signed that non-disbursed when you're with the Trump campaign in two thousand sixteen I'm not sure you by it. But you did you did sign with it. I I want to ask you about this Kentucky race because it's going. It's going to be one of the first ones we see the results from. Kentucky six it has Andy Barr congressman Andy Barr against Amy McGrath. It's a district President Trump while by sixteen points in two thousand sixteen obviously a bellwether one of the things we were talking about during the break is the Democrats. And I know this is much to your Sagren. The Democrats have done a pretty good job when it comes to candidate recruitment. Democrats did a phenomenal job. He'll look at Ralph north or mid Virginia, Connor lamb, Amy McGrath. These folks could be Republicans there served in the military conservative values. This is going. This is the kind of a war going on inside the Democratic Party progressives or kind of old blue dog Democrats where where where's the direction of the party, and this new congress if they if they do take over is going to have a pretty interesting mix of both and there'll be a kind of a battle. But the the Democrats have done a phenomenal job getting great candidates. I'm sure you disagree with guys Republic. Right. I do something. But. Mind. I mean, listen variety is the spice of life and far be it for the Republicans to talk about the disruption within the Democratic Party. They got they own disruption going on battling their own president that proves to talk about the economy. But yet contains to talk about immigration, but they are not Republicans. They are Democrats, and we are looking for a big night it really hold off the president. And it's going to happen in the house. Joe, let's talk about Virginia right now. Barbara Comstock, congresswoman Barbara Comstock, she's one of the most vulnerable vulnerable members of congress in the country right now, if she can hold on there that will indicate I think that is a red wall as opposed to a Blue Wave. But that's that's a tall order. Yeah. No. If that happens that would tell people right off the bat. If doesn't mean the Democrats can't we can't take the house maybe long long road to get there. This is a district that we need to pick up coming from the democratic side that we, you know, this one is one we're all res sort of county, I know people to keep voting out there. But, but this is one that if we don't pick up this one, it's it's problems trouble. And Amanda, one of the things that we've seen in the way that President Trump has chose to to present his closing argument, as it were is that maybe he's serving to rally his voters who like this very negative anti documented immigrant message, which is the plate way of putting it, but it hurts people like Barbara Comstock in northern Virginia. Barbara Comstock is getting battered by a lot of forces in the lead in segment that person noted that Corey Stewart is running in Senate the top of the ticket. He is a drag but Republicans he is dances, close to the nationalist agenda that Trump is laid out as anyone. Probably in the country, but Barbara Kahn. Stop is a longtime GOP fixture. She is a smart campaigner. She is a hard worker. She knows how to raise money and she's been down in the polls consistently. And she also was one of the few Republicans that said I cannot good conscious vote for Donald Trump. So it is heart-wrenching that the people the Republicans most poised to hold the president accountable are going to be the ones who are wiped out. And so if we lose racist like that what you will end up with at the end of the night will be a much smaller much more truck being party that will be left bad. Bad on graphics. Let's get it straight. I mean, the northern Virginia suburbs, which is run somewhere. On Myrtle, but of sake, but goes, but the district has been trending. You know, went from red to purple netted anybody could win it this. It's going to we diffult or women in the Republican party holding office. I mean, that's part of what's going on. Here is the is is Republican women defect over the democratic side on this round because of the language, and and the way Trump is doing his fear and loathing tour. The more they're going to lose people. I can't star Nina. I want to bring you in your because I want to show you the latest Gallup poll, it's the generic ballot on gal. And it square's pretty close it with what CNN's poll had the other day. Fifty four percent of respondents said they would support a democratic candidate and their local congressional district in a generic ballot. Forty three percents that they would vote for the Republican House minority leader Nancy Pelosi has been insisting Democrats are going to regain the house. She said it again today, but I have to ask state Senator Turnham. Yeah. Do you believe the polls? Are you confident that Democrats are going to take the house today? I'm pretty confident. I mean. I don't think we should be overly confident. I mean, it's up to who votes. This is the, but I called the battle of the basis people's base have to turn out, and then we got to see which team independent voters are going to pick. But if that generic poll is any indication and God forbid, we think about a poll, given what happened in two thousand sixteen as a democrat. I should probably swear off poles. But I I really think the Democrats are very much poll poise to take the house and David the president has held thirty rallies since Labor Day in the final days of the campaign. Eight states, he's visited eleven rallies. He has tried to focus on the Senate, not the house. There's no doubt the president is elected on the field on this one right in terms of moving those numbers a few months ago, Republican interest in this election was really low and you've seen a total bloodbath. Come today. Right. The president went out there, and like it or not like his campaign taggers. They move numbers. They moved people. They motivated the base Tuesday has them gap. Closed. The basis turnout is to say this could be a battle bases. We'll see what's going to happen. But it will be a battle will be a battle. Here. Do you think the president that moved the Republican voter enthusiasm or was it the cavenaugh hearings or both combination of both the president has done that a very good job awakening Republicans from this lumber Mitch McConnell about a month ago, saying we can lose this thing and people say cavenaugh, but I think it was actually the mob argument that was more persuasive because that fed into the cabinet hearings. But that was something that was already going on before that. And then the caravan is sort of the icing on top if he wants to really scare Republicans and to go into the polls because you can't make the hopeful optimistic arguments, not clear to me at all that is going to be a net help I mean when you look at the CNN poll and you look at supposedly it's tied between men forty nine supporting the Republican forty eight supporting the democrat. Then you go look at the other side women sixty two thirty one or some. I can't remember that. Okay. I look I spent all last night awake. Unable to sleep Brian trying to just figure out how many districts there were in America in which women weren't a majority of the votes. Yeah. There is an anticipation that safe with those kind of numbers, and I want you to take a look voters today. Let's show some images of this that we have faced a host of hurdles long lines in Wake County, North Carolina humidity is affected the ability of tabulates to read balance a ballot shortage in Arlington, Texas and power outages at a polling place in Knoxville President Trump was warning yesterday with no evidence of voter fraud. He tweeted law enforcement has been strongly unified watch closely for any illegal voting, which may take place in Tuesday's election or early voting. Anyone caught we'll be subject to the maximum principle criminal penalties Lovelock thing. But the the real issue here. I mean, there are always a handful of cases of voter fraud. But it's never as big as people like President Trump wanted to seem. But the real issue is people who have difficulty voting they go to their polling places. The state has cut back the state. Has made more tough to vote. It's senator. That's right. And is the failure of government to make sure that they provide an atmosphere where people can vote. I mean what you just read off. And I was just Sunday. I was in Miami. I was in Miami. I was in north Miami. And I was at a polling place where Haitian Americans are two dominant personality and to see lines wrapped all around the building the machines broke down. And then they ran out of ballots in some cases, people were waiting anywhere between two and three hours the boat. You have elders in line who had no one to stand in line for them overly the able people standing in line, and the irony of Jacob's that the name of that library that I was at it's called the death Lynn bitter library after one hundred and two year old woman who just recently died who actually stood in line six hours to vote for President Obama back in two thousand and eight. So the irony of that. And so again when President Trump talks about voter fraud, we need to talk about the mechanisms in our. American body politics that suppress the boat that have a suppressive mechanism to them and people standing in line that long some people won't stand in line and not because they don't want to can't because they can't and they shouldn't have to in the United States of everyone. Stick around. We're we're less than three hours away from polls closing in Georgia were Democrats Stacey Abrams and Republican Bryant camp have been waging a fierce battle for governor Abram seeking to become the nation's first female African American governor has received report from Oprah and former President Barack Obama while President Trump and vice president pants campaign for camp. It's a race. That's turned pretty ugly with accusations of voter suppression and an outside group making a racist. Robocall. Gary Tuchman is at a polling station in powder springs, Georgia, and Gary what are you hearing from voters? What are you seeing on the ground? Well, Jake, I've been in this church gymnasium for more than nine hours. Now since before the polls open when the doors open more than one hundred voters ran inside. It was pouring rain out there. But they're waiting in line and the rain to vote, and I will respectfully tell you that outside of the poll workers who work here, I know that mood of this room better than anybody. And it's in Tuesday, people are not voting out of anger. They're voting because they're enthusiastic Americans. The people are voting for Republican Kemp mostly have told me that they think he'll make great governor. The people who are voting for democrat Abrahams are saying that they think she'd make a great governor. And they want to make some history because she'd be the first African American woman to ever be a governor in the United States. Also, Republicans are telling me they're enthusiast of the voting because they want to symbolically support Donald Trump and Democrats are telling me they aren't through voting because they symbolically want to prove Donald Trump, Ron one thing. I'll tell you Jake. The turnout has been huge here in the state of Georgia huge in this particular precinct in Cobb County. Cobb County, by the way is the former home of former speaker of. The House Newt Gingrich. It's become a battleground county, Hillary Clinton narrowly won this county in two thousand sixteen over Donald Trump, despite the fact that it's gone Republican for so many elections before that, but I want to tell you this before the doors even open today more than two point one million Georgians already voted early. There's been three weeks of early voting here in the state and four years ago during the last midterms nine hundred thousand people voted early so more than double this time around the turn out here in this state, and the peach state seems immense Jake. All right. Gary Tuchman live in Georgia for us. Thanks so much back with me. We have our panel. Joe trippy, Amanda carpenter, Nina Turner, and David urban let me start with you. That's interesting that Gary Tuchman is hearing such positivity from the voters because that has been especially on the airwaves a very negative race the Georgia governor's race. Yeah. It's very interesting to me because there seems to be a one way conversation happening there about voter suppression voter turnout where the Democrats are the only one saying there's a. Problem here and Republicans are essentially saying, no, no, we don't know what you're talking about that doesn't work. But also, the Oprah speech that speech was so accessible she talked. She made a deliberate pitch to women and minorities. But in a way that wasn't partisan or political but still accessible to anyone. I think if they say Abrahams win this race it will be tour credit. She's a good candidate that people will look at that speech and talk about this is how progressive Democrats can appeal to people outside of their tent. It's because they've found they're finding to figure that out in a way the Republicans haven't because there's no one else campaigning. There is separate Trump and Pence David race has been an issue in the Georgia governor's race Abrams has been targeted by a white supremacist group. They released a racist. A couple of racist robocalls, wanting to Andrew Gelman flora, but also one against her Ryan camp, we should point out strongly. Condemned that racist robocall. He called an absolutely disgusting. But Kemp has has been willing to use some racist, racial. I should say themes last night. He tweeted this. Black Panther party is backing my opponent re tweet if you think Abrams is too extreme for Georgia. It's interesting to me how he's running towards these Rachel tropes. The Black Panther party, etc. And Abrahams is not I mean, she could do the same things you can show pictures of of with guns and saying these are Brian Kemp, supportive if she wants, but she doesn't not only does she not do it. But Sunday when I interviewed her for state of the union, she wouldn't go there when it came to racial stuff when it came to sunny producing cotton picking when it came to President Trump saying, she's not qualified. She wouldn't she wouldn't go there. He's trying to appeal to white suburban mom, right and Weitzberg meant she wants to be the person who's who's is a man of puts out excessive oil reasonable. And that's what she wants to come across. She's doing a great job at it wouldn't be this close. It wasn't. You know, this is a state this is Georgia Georgia, and and she is she's pretty progressive. Absolutely. And you know, this is a state that tennis, Newt Gingrich. And you may have a governor who is who. As far left of the party run in that state. It's a it's a big deal. It's a big win. And then what is this saying about how a very progressive woman of color, can she's she's made it close. No matter what we don't know what's going to happen. But she's medical. It's how they can appeal African American woman of color who's very progressive can appeal to the white suburban voters who normally vote Republican. She's been authentically herself. It's what you see is what you get. And it is that authentic. It is the fact that she was the leader of the house in that state. So she understands the needs of the people she's been such a tremendous leader by every stretch of the magic nation, and she has taken the high ground because that is the ground by which she she she lives. She has no reason to go that way because she's running such a strong race on the other hand the other candidate has not so much, but she has been her. So I just want to say with Jake Jake was talking about the interview was great interview. You did you did push some of these things about secondhand. She she she's pretty slippery wrestling. Slippery. She was okay. She'll just slip. Jake, Jake diet. Yeah. I'm gonna take people's. Well. No. We want to open a dialogue. All right. I mean, it's it's she's that is what we can't. She's smart. Yeah. It's libya. It's on the other side. It's sad day. You're getting it, right? Joe Oprah weighed in on the racist robocall. And I want you to take a listen. Because obviously, this is still part of her get out the vote, even if she did it from. I don't know where she did. Let's let's assume it was Santa Barbara. I just want to say Jesus. We know what to do about that. The tomorrow show up and show and. Again, positive funny, Jesus don't like ugly, but not no grievance just an appeal. Absolutely. And I think what I think's going on a lot of these moderate white suburban voters want don't want division. They want that pulling people together that kind of just excess label and I'm just putting it out there who I am. And yeah, I may have to. Address stuff like guns. And but you know, where I'm coming from. And she does that Oprah did it, and I didn't go for is like obvious and just doing get out. There's a story within a story in three of these gubernatorial races in three races in red states. Republicans may lose Florida Georgia in Kansas. Each of those Republican candidates were strongly supported by President Trump when they had more moderate Republicans who could have won their primaries in three publicans lose in those three states that is a firm rejection of trumpet than in Kimball. Or if you're going to have to really think this narrow grievance driven Republican strategy for them. And that started in started in Alabama with Doug Jones, we've seen this movie before and it just keeps seeming. Don't be dancing on the grave there, buddy. Title. I wanna to look bad candidates, right candidates matter. You got to pick good candidates here. Probably. Publican's lose. Even bad candidates, right? That's the issue that residents or candidates that are. I'm not running at least David, and I agree on something. But what I was going to say is I want to give some credit to the candidates and not just anti Trump because what Stacey Abrams has done the honorable Stacey Abrams. And what the honorable Andrew gillum has been able to do is incite a vision of where we are going to go. They've made it very clear that they are different from the candidates that they're running against and they talked about Trump here and there, but they have been visionary. So I don't wanna give all the credit department. I wanna I wanna have to handle. All right. Everyone's hand with me coming up next. We're standing by for the first exit polls for this historic midterm election. Plus, the pulse haven't even closed and top Republicans are already finger-pointing. We've got some new details from our montage on Capitol Hill. And of course, John king at the magic wall. What will king the watching the first polls close stay with us. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six hundred five you can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses at incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. That's Z E N N, I dot com slash CNN. Welcome back to a special edition of the lead. We are just about an hour away from the first polls closing in Indiana and Kentucky and the raise everyone. We'll be talking about first Kentucky's six district where Amy McGrath a former combat pilot and political newcomer is challenging Republican congressman Andy Barr. Sources tell C N N. It is one of the raises the President Trump and his team we'll be watching most closely tonight and John king is at the magic while John tell us more about this race Kentucky six Jake one of the many bellwethers or Canaries if you will we'll be looking at especially when the early results start to come in. Why this district President Trump carried this district Mitt Romney carried this district if the Democrats Amy McGrath or winning this district tonight, you can be all but certain the Democrats will carry the house majority of the Republican incumbent is Andy Barr. He's tried to run on tax cuts the economy, Amy McGrath. As you noted a former military veterans, she has run on healthcare or military experience. If this district turns blue tonight, you can be almost certain the Democrats are taking back the house. So it is one of the races. We will. Watch as the results come in early on one of the building blocks if you will for the Democrats to get that net Twenty-three to take back the house another place to watch early on is the mid Atlantic region. Specifically, let's start in Virginia. Here's the test for the Democrats. Do you just get one their favorite to flip? This Republican seat in the northern Virginia suburbs or can they get two possibly three? This is a prime target here. In one of the key twenty eighteen battlegrounds. Dave brat is your Republican incumbent in Virginia's seventh district Abigail span. Burger the democrat why does this district tell us more than just what's happening in Virginia? You have the Richmond suburbs. That's where Democrats especially democratic women think they will do. Well. President Trump's numbers down in the suburbs near Richmond can the Democrats. Democrats get propelled to victory their Dave brat and the other parts of the district tea party, the Trump base is there a classic confrontation of suburbs versus Trump country in Virginia seven can the Democrats pull that one off if Abigail span burgers winning tonight. You can be certain the Democrats will have the majority what to move up to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. They had to redraw the lines here. Democrats think they can pick up four maybe five maybe more seats just in the state of Pennsylvania, watch that results come in tonight. And now let's cross over the border here into New Jersey. This one is a national test case for the Democrats number one. They think in the northeast, including New Jersey targets of opportunity to pick up seats, but some seats Madame more than others to the Democrats, including this one New Jersey's third the Republican incumbent Tom McArthur one of the moderates who stepped forward to help broker the compromise for the Republican Bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare. This one is personal for the Democrats not just for Andy Kim, the democratic candidate, but for Democrats nationally, and again, it's a test in the suburb. This is in New Jersey. But if you go to the western parts of the district, you're in the Philadelphia suburbs. Another key rice to look at as we look for control of the house, again, Democrats think they can get most of the seats. They need if not all mid Atlantic and the northeast and out in the mid west where they have a lot of targets if they need some other help, though one of the places we'll be looking is red, Texas if you. If you look down in Texas, two districts, the Houston suburbs. The Republican incumbent is John Culbertson the Republicans going to lose in the Houston. Suburbs will millennials turn out. We'll college educated women turn out. That's one Texas. Thirty two in the Dallas suburbs. Pete sessions and endangered Republican incumbent. We shouldn't be talking about this race in a normal year. The question is is this a normal year? Is there a Blue Wave a big Blue Wave? Those two districts in Texas will tell you that that's the house map as you look at it. Democrats favored coming in plenty of targets of opportunity of the thirty one toss up races heading into election night, thirty of them currently held by Republicans. That tells you when it comes to the house how much the Republicans are playing defense. It's a little different while we switch maps and come over to the battle for the Senate. One third of the Senate up every two years this year this map is tilted in favor of Republicans ten democratic incumbents in states, the president carried some of them hugely up for reelection. So we favor the Republicans heading into the count tonight. If you take the racist that are not on the ballot. Plus, those we lean or toss already forty nine Republicans to forty five Democrats. What does that mean? What does that mean if nothing else changes? Meaning if the Republicans hold Texas if the Republicans flip North Dakota if the Democrats hold Montana. That's what we think heading into the night. We're about to count the votes if that happens, this is all the Republicans would have to do if the Republicans can hold Tennessee. Now, they think they can do all these other states too. But this is all they would need for fifty Mike Pence could then break a fifty fifty tie. So Tennessee looms large look at these other races, though. And let's go back to the map as we had it Democrats have late see momentum in Florida CMO momentum in Indiana. See momentum in Missouri Allstate's, President Trump carried these ones by giant number. So can the Democrats pulled that off Democrats thinks they have a chance to flip Nevada? To flip. Arizona those are two seats currently in Republican hands. So is there a chance the Democrats can take the Senate not probable but possible? Let's see what that would look like if you played it out again six toss up states. You see them there and yellow if the Democrats could win them all then conceivably fifty one forty nine is that going to happen? Republicans say no Republicans think they're competitive in all of those states and can win at least half of them. But if there is a bigger Bluewave than anyone it's the Senate map could be in play which would make Tennessee emerge as the Republican firewall, Marsha Blackburn of all the Republican candidates and those toss up states, she has the biggest lead heading into election day. It is quite possible. Tennessee could emerge if there is a bigger Bluewave than people anticipate as the key firewall one. Last point is we come back to the map here. It's a midterm election year. Democrats think they have a chance to take back the house. This is where we start the Republican majority of two thirty five Democrats think if there's a modest to a big Blue Wave they can do this. They can take us back in time to the last time the. Democrats want a big house majority. This is right after the election of President Obama in two thousand eight they lost this majority in two thousand ten but this is what America looked like the last time, we had a House Democratic majority. This is what it looks like. 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1998 - The Fight for the Future of the Democrats Has Begun w/ MR Crew

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1998 - The Fight for the Future of the Democrats Has Begun w/ MR Crew

"You are listening to a free Berge of majority report with Sam cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program. Go to rejoice dot S M. Please. The de rapport with Sam cdo. It is Wednesday January second two thousand nineteen. My name is Sam cedar. This is the five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravage Ghana's canal in the heartland of America. Downtown Brooklyn USA. On the program today partial shutdown of the government is ongoing about to get worse for the Republicans in Trump, but nowhere is bad as it is for government workers. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren all but makes it official. Twenty twenty is already here. To immigrant children. Have now died in US custody over the past month. In Mitt Romney kicks off the race for an Oscar in two thousand nineteen with an op Ed in the Washington Post. We should also say Louis C K won't be kicking off a bid to host the Oscars. But may instead be vying for a speaking role at CPAC. Trump starts the year with a third of his executive heads acting like they're cabinet heads. Meanwhile, Trump's EPA on a mission to destroy the environment. To us sensibly, protect it. Tomorrow. Dams to vote on pay go amongst other house rules. And Trump starts to back up on Syria. Draw down will now be in four months. Dime betting. It will never happen. Easy has it. Let's low down gotta be measured. America is losing its teachers by driving them away. And. Twenty nineteen will be no different from twenty eighteen in safari, or as workers will get screwed by private equity, all this and more. On the first. The first episode of the majority report in two thousand nineteen. Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, we are all here except for Matt who could not break away from the frozen tundra. In. Could not break away. He's keeping it real. He's keeping it real. He is in the heartland of the heartland. Now, of course, Brooklyn is the true heartland of America. Everybody knows that. It's we've got a we're we're on a navigable waterway multiple navigable waterways. And would just we're surrounded by real heartland values, but Matt likes to go to the other heartland, which is in North Dakota. Why overstate elite elites exactly and where they? We're like Robert Kramer was that his name the new Senator from North Dakota. Yup. Man. I'll tell you something I still remember watching that video of him on a local television program trying to answer about cavenaugh and thinking if people vote for this guy in North Dakota after this showing there is nothing that will ever keep them from voting. Like just forget about it. The only answer is to populate the state and essentially overtake them and. I I feel quite strongly that that, you know, Matt's been working on a leftist homesteaders act to take retailers. I was just gonna snow plowing with Heidi Heitkamp. I mean, honestly, if I'm Tom Steyer, and I'm thinking, I'm gonna dump you know, aside from like my own sort of vanity race, but I'm gonna dump one hundred million or two hundred million dollars or three hundred million dollars into this project. You know, the best thing might be to just sort of say like hundred fifty grand hundred grand to anybody who can show me that they vote, you know, left of center for the past two elections, and you get one hundred thousand dollars bonus for moving there. If you stay there for you know, I'll give you fifty each year that you stay there or thirty five or something like that some program like a home setting act, but just privately funded by Tom star and set up these little communities. I think that's maybe that's why Matt still there. He's populating the state with red diaper babies says we. Speak. Well, I've sure match going to be excited to hear that. That's what we think he's killing. I not to be insulting do not think that that's what Madison I think he's populating the state with the execution of his. Weed smoke. That's great. I'm sure he'll appreciate that just as much fine. Yeah. I was gonna say Jamie says all he's doing is is four negating and all you say he's getting high. So it'd be a middle way play. Planning upset of literary hanging. Well, playing red dead redemption. Right. I was gonna say getting by and four and a kidding. He's multitask. I hope everyone had a happy new year. Let me say happy belated new year to you. Also, happy belated Haitian independence day. And we are rested. Hopefully, you are too because it's gonna start getting crazy again quickly. And you're going to be a busy right off the bat tomorrow. The Democrats will be voting on a. Suite of a new house rules and every incoming congress. Men. Both houses have this opportunity to the senate's going to be voting for rules. But most those rules have already been have been essentially instituted by the the Senate because the Republicans have been controlling it for some time. But Democrats come in. They come in with a new a host of rules. One of them is going to be we we'd already talked about the the idea of. The rule that. If you were going to raise taxes on anybody. But the top twenty percent you need two thirds of the of the house that was dispatched with there is a. A another rule called the Gephardt rule which came from Dick Gephardt in. I believe he was the the the House Democratic leader in the late seventies and into the eighties. I can't think was I think it was the eighties through through Pelosi actually or maybe the nineties through Pelosi not the seventies. Maybe I'm getting confused. But nevertheless, the Gephardt rule was. Was about basically, including every time that you, you know, there's two aspects to congressional expenditures one is they make the expenditures. That is the they pass. Hey budget, theoretically. And then later in the year, there is a debt ceiling vote, which has to happen. And that vote is not to actually spend money that has already been that is already been that money is already been expended. That money's already been appropriated. It is essentially a vote to decide to pay the Bill. So you can. It's it's not an elegant metaphor. But it's like you go and buy a new T shirt, and you use your credit card when you make the decision to spend the money is when you bought the t shirt, not when you pay the Bill on the credit card. Now, we have never defaulted in the history of this country on US treasury bills, and if you were not to raise the debt ceiling, that's what you would do. However, Republicans now Democrats have time to time voted against it. And they it is a symbol Bollock vote. Never really threatening not to raise the debt ceiling Republicans have over the past. Now ten years made a a real threat to do. So which would in many respects possibly crashed the economy. The Gephardt rule basically says when you. Expand the money when you vote on the budget. We're also going to talk in a thing that automatically raises the debt ceiling so that this can no longer be used as a. A Republican hostage. And so that is in the the new pack of new congressional rules. That's restoring congress for the people. I have it here in my hand. And then the other one which is going to get voted on tomorrow. Is the pay go rules. And the pay go we've talked about it, basically says you cannot. Vote to appropriate any money unless it is offset by cuts or raises and taxes. In other words, no deficit spending. And in fact, you can't even spend when there's a surplus unless you pay for it. We've talked about the uselessness of this provision in terms of retail politics. There is no constituency out there for this. The myth that anybody cared about deficits is I I would hope has been blown away. There is no political salience to this. There's just no value to the extent that there is all it does is it handicaps an ability for progressives for the left for liberals anybody on the left to put in any program. They want. It inhibits their ability to do. So does it make it impossible? No. But it inhibits it seriously. There needs to be eighteen Democrats. Who essentially say, I am not going to support pay go. It's got to go before I vote on this host of new rules. Rocca HANA has made that number now seventeen by announcing. I think this morning that he would not be voting to support a pay go here. He is with a video explaining why this row HANA Representative California's seventeenth, and he explains it. People hear the word pay go to now, they think it some inside baseball technical jargon related to congress. Let me tell you. It is a very important issue. It would be unilateral disarmament for House Democrats to adopt pay go. The Republicans never did they passed massive tax cuts for the one percent, and they didn't have any spending cuts to pay for those tax cuts. They never do. They don't ever balance the budget Republican tax reform Bill that emerged from the US house of representatives ran into new obstacles the Congressional Budget Office reported that it would add at least one point seven trillion dollars to deficits over ten years at the president noted today, we receive the largest military budget in history and budget deficit well balloon to a trillion by the year, twenty twenty this is something that Wall Street's been expecting private. Forecasters said we would be seeing trillion dollar deficits because of the president's. Tax reform Bill now that House Democrats are in charge. Some folks want us to limit our policies by adopting pay go. Here's what it would mean, if we have pay go then to do something like Medicare for all to do something like expanding social security to do something like a bold infrastructure plan or a green new deal would require us to negotiate against ourselves. We would require cuts in programs that many of us value in like we shouldn't do that. The Republicans didn't governor that way instead of doing the politically expedient thing in seeking cuts that are not necessary. What we ought to do is the principled thing. We ought to argue that our policies are actually going to grow the economy that these investments are in the interest of the United States pay. Go would be terrible policy. It's exactly the type of weakness that people don't wanna see they one House Democrats to be bold to offer our vision. And to offer a real alternative to what the House Republicans. Did there you go? So now that number is down to seventeen it would be worth your while to call members of the congressional progressive caucus. Hopefully there in your district. But if they're not doing that's close to your district. Call and tell them to vote against Pegu the more that the the the members of the house are aware that you are aware of this. This is one of those things that they usually just pass in never becomes a political issue at all because who cares? I can tell you that most of the normies out there. And by that I use that term is just people who don't spend all their time talking about politics. Well, it just about as far as I could tell everybody does now. But nor me I would say like, but, but, but aren't you know, the people who are not listening to three hours a day of politics. Let's put it that way. They don't know what pay go is. And if you explain it to them very quickly. They're going to be bothered by it because it completely handicapped. He's not saying that you can't have offsets it just by putting the default this way makes it much much harder to get good policies and promote them. And so if members of the house suddenly realize like, oh, people are paying attention to this. Now, I'm not going to vote for it. That. I mean that is that will be the dynamic. So I encourage you do we have a number. We'll get a number where you can call a congress, and we'll put it up under this video and certainly. We'll we'll tweet it out. And we'll talk about it in a moment. But he got a nice signal boost from our girl Alexandria. So that's cool. I mean, I think you know, people I would I would be surprised if there aren't already a couple of other people who are gonna come out, and you know, announced that they're voting against this. But. Hopefully, one of you guys is is actually googling a number to call. You. There's certain two zero two two two five three one to one. That's your house member. Two two two two five three one two one two zero two two two five three one two one. Thank you crack Google. So that's going to be the big fight. Also, you should know that the Democrats, and this is again, not necessarily this. Again, more politics nothing. Specifically what we're going to be seeing over the next year is the Democrats. Positioning themselves. Now, look that's the thing about the pay. Go is that they can't do anything anyways unilaterally. But we are now setting precedents and setting stuff up for twenty twenty one with the hopes that there will be a democratically controlled house and Senate and a democratic democrat in president sitting in the executive. I mean, that's basically what's going on here. And this also defines the parameters of what becomes the mainstream conversation. What what are what politics are allowed essentially amongst the political class, which is why it's so important to do it now. Democrats are going to among other things. In the investigations, regarding Trump, etc. Etc. And just the massive corruption throughout our government. And also, you know, harassing the EPA. How is it? You're justifying. We'll talk about this. How is it? You're just fine. Putting more mercury into the air. We will talk about how they're justifying it. But one of the things the a provision in the opening days rule package is it's authorizing the house counsel. I mean, this is the other thing resources. Lawyers for the congress will be able to intervene in the lawsuit. In which sixteen Republican controlled states are or formerly controlled Republican states are. Trying to. Essentially, find the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. They are going to the house lawyers are going to specifically be weighing in on the pre existing conditions feature. Does Nancy Pelosi says Latino for pre existing conditions, but hopefully, they'll will they'll get the politics a little bit little bit bore electrifying. Yes. Then that and then then three chairs for pre existing conditions. But that's basically what's happening there in terms of the shutdown. Here's the deal. There are hundreds of thousands of government workers right now who are not getting paid. Let me let me do this first. This is actually a timely ad for today. If you're trying to drink more water this year, you're trying to stay more hydrated. And this is. This is actually one of those circumstances where I lean on on liquid Ivy more when I have been drinking a little bit liquid Ivy hydrates you faster and more efficiently than water alone with the added bonus of vitamin c b three b five b six and b twelve that also helps you absorb the. The hydration quicker. It's not your average electrolyte drink mix liquid Ivy. It uses cellular transport technology in a specific ratio glucose, sodium and potassium to help your body absorb more water and nutrients directly into your bloodstream. 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We have fifty four thousand custom and border protection agents getting working without pay forty two thousand coastguard employees 53,000 TSA agents. Seventeen thousand correctional officers fourteen thousand FBI agents four thousand DA five thousand fighters who would the US forest service. These are all people who are paying to go to work essentially at this point, right because they're not getting paid paying for their transportation. Whatever it is a decent number of these people. I would say good time for you to go. Find other work. I'm not terribly excited about what the customs and border protection. People are doing these days. But I mean. Obviously some of this is necessary. But all of this is a struggle. I mean, all these people have families these are their jobs. We have hundreds of thousands of other workers you're gonna start seeing as of today Smithsonian closing. You're going to start seeing more public parks closing. And not only I mean, just contemplate this. The the administration the office of personnel management last Thursday. I think it was the tweet it out advice to furloughed federal workers on how to explain their situation to creditors in landlords. They also gave a sample letter. And it went like this, quote, I will keep in touch with you to keep you informed about my income status. And I would like to discuss with you the possibility of trading my services to perform maintenance paint, knee painting carpentry work in exchange for partial rent payments. Now banks are well known for taking like, yeah. If you've got a mortgage with us, and you'd rather come in and make some shelves. Or perhaps organize our files feel free to come in. This is also hitting with a lot of times. Like you had a lot of federal workers who. They don't know when their next paycheck is going to come. They're not going to go spend money of on presents for their kids. They're all the the the human suffering here. Really, just needless. Suffering is a pretty stunning. What will also happen is? There's a couple of thousand. Federal contractors, you know, in a lot of the the buildings subcontractors lot of federal buildings have janitors security guards people work in like the commissaries. And they will never get back pay. They don't come in. These companies are never going to give them back. Pay many of these workers who are furloughed right now or who are working without pay. We're talking about eight hundred thousand total. Hopefully, they will get back pay. But the bottom line is right now they're having to go out, and they're either taking loans or they're putting stuff on their credit card. They're never going to get paid for the interest that they're going to get charged in their credit card the twenty percent interest that money's never coming back. The insecurity that they're dealing with the they're that they're cutting back in real time, the stress that their kids and themselves are probably going through. This is never gonna get returned. In addition to that. It undermines the missions of all of these agencies if they cannot count on on funds coming in all their contracts. Right. You're going to be putting contractors out of business. You're going to be putting people out of business who do business with the government. So this is problematic. It reverberates. And so here's what's going to happen. Probably tomorrow or maybe Friday, the house is going to pass a budget with. I don't know if they'll be one point five billion dollars for a border security, whatever that means look they could pass the five billion dollars. And Donald Trump's not gonna be able to build anything other than more replicas of his. Prototype walls for the most part because it's drop in the bucket. But the bottom line is if you're going to give them five billion dollars for you know, to pretend that he's building his wall. Get something get permanent status for Dhaka kits get permanent status for Doppler. And that was the deal they had a year ago. And of course, Stephen Miller said told Trump dunk, don't do it or Trump to who knows. But the house is going to pass a budget. And then it's going to go to the Senate. And Mitch McConnell is going to have to make a decision. He's either going to put that up for a vote and it will pass. Because they'll be Democrats who who will vote for it. He's also got a worry though that there's going to. There's a half a dozen senators who are going to pretend Republican senators you're gonna pretend that it's problem, right? Like Ted Cruz is gonna get out there. And this is going to be this time shine and Mike Lee is going to get out. There Paul is going to say this is, you know, I finally have principals, and blah, blah, blah. Then the Bill if it passes in the Senate will go to Donald Trump. And then he will presumably not sign it. And it becomes a pocket veto, maybe he will veto it just to show it. And then it goes back to the house and the Senate. And then things start getting really interesting. It will most likely pass the house, but in the Senate there could be enough. Republicans who don't who are afraid of voting against Donald Trump. But who knows ultimately, I don't think this works out very well for the Republicans. But it's like I say a lot worse for the federal workers and the federal government. And this is this is the rub. This is why. When we talk about asymmetrical politics. This is it because it's a problem. For people on the left. Most that the government is hurt. And that federal workers are hurt by this. And the hurt continues and gets worse as you go on. So the leverage is with the Republicans. But Donald Trump is about to own this. And despite the fact that he already announced that he was going to own he's going to own it in a an even more intimate way a very shortly. You wanna talk about asymmetrical politics, public sector workers are not allowed to strike in most states because you know, their jobs are two important, they help society run. But the Republicans are allowed to do the exact same thing if they decide to it's fair a lockout, right? It's basically a lockout for all those people were furloughed and even worse for those people who are not for a load. But don't get paid. You know, it's it's. It's a real problem. I don't know how you make a, you know, a long-term reform to this. But that's why the there has to be a political price exacted because otherwise it continues to happen. And and we shall see. I mean, hopefully that will we'll see a price paid. Meanwhile, this happened while we were out Elizabeth Warren. She makes an announcement. Let's watch a part of the video. This is four minutes long. Right. We're not going to watch the whole thing. But let's watch a little bit of it. Elizabeth Warren has essentially I mean, I don't know if the official, but she said she's going to launch a. Exploratory exploratory committee be a little pedantic for a second. I've never understood this. And I've been doing this for a little while. Now, what when you explore how many people launch an exploratory committee that doesn't turn into a run, that's exceedingly rare, I would say zero. I mean, what is what this sort of? What is the specific? Is it legal? Is it something you have to do to set up? Certain. It's the way that you can start taking. Okay, got it. And the the idea is I mean, there's a lot of theories as to why she announced now one slow news days right now gets more attention. You launch the exploratory committee. You get a news hit us announced that you're going to run you get another news hit. That's the theory. I think the other ideas if she can raise a lot of money it will scare some people out of the race. That is the other theory. And so. Here is her video, which I guess introduces the idea that she's planning to run and our country if you work hard and play, but the rules, you ought to be able to take care of yourself in the people you love that's a fundamental promise of America positive once. Now, I should tell you that contract was a Bill Clinton construct. I was just going to say and. I we can debate the the value of that. I mean better that you're you're using some type of like folksy phrase from Bill Clinton, then Ronald Reagan. Let me put it that way. So, you know, ten fifteen years ago. That's what Democrats would do. They would put you know, they would start their videos with we can be a shining beacon for the were or something. And so we're making some progress but good this should be true for every. Up in Oklahoma that promise came through for me and my family after my older brothers joined the military, and I was still just a kid my daddy had a heart attack and couldn't work. My mom found a minimum wage job at Sears. And that jobs saved our house, and our fam- my daddy ended up as janitor, but raised a daughter who got to be a public schoolteacher a law. Professor in a Senator we got a real opportunity to build something working families today. Face a lot tougher path in my family did and families of color face a path that is steeper and rockier a path made even harder by the impact of generations of discriminate. I've spent my career getting to the bottom of Wyatt. America's promise works for some families. But others who were just as heart slip through the cracks into disaster. What I've found it's terrifying. These aren't cracks that families are falling into their traps. America's middle class is under attack. How did we get here billionaires and big corporations decided they wanted more of the pie and they enlisted politicians to cut him up. Fatter swans the crippled unions. So no one could stop. Dismantled the financial rules meant to keep us safe after the great, depression and cut their own taxes. So they pay less than their secretaries, janitors. It's time to ride the rules for the middle class. To Wall Street crashed our economy in two thousand eight I left the classroom to go to Washington and confront the broken system. Head on Lisbeth warned apparently not afraid of tangle with Wall Street with Warren is heading into the lion's den. This is Warren goes to Washington, we created America's first consumer watchdog to hold the big banks account a woman who has warned of another meltdown. Washington doesn't straighten up. I never thought I'd run for office. Not in a million years. But when Republican senators tried to sabotage the reforms run me out of town. I went back to Massachusetts and win against one of them and beat him. When we love. Who? To gang. Corruption is poisoning our democracy politicians. Look the other way while big insurance companies deny patients lifesaving coverage. Well, big banks rip off consumers, and while big oil companies destroy this planet. Our government's supposed to work for all of us. But instead it has become a tool for the wealthy and Welton out the whole scan this propped up by an echo chamber of fear and hate designed to distract and divide. People who will do or say anything to hang onto power point the finger at anyone who looks thinks phrase or loves differently than they did all this start path doesn't have to be our future. We can make our democracy work for all of us. We can make our economy work for all of us. We can rebuild America's middle class. But this time we gotta build it for ever. All right. Well, I mean, I think you know, the the interesting thing about that video as you watch it is early on. She. Addresses. You know, the the economic plight of of of not just you know, the middle class, but also of specifically of of minorities in this country. And then everything else is I think sort of very. In maybe slightly different rhetoric, but certainly populist in tone and attacking the the big banks tacking the insurance companies, and then also throws in some resistance stuff. But you know, she flashes a picture of AFC, and among other sort of incoming, you know, left leftist, I guess at least in the context of the Democratic Party house members. And so I don't know. It's it's interesting because this is where you see at least she plans to go early on. And that is I think to attempt to secure those supporters of Bernie Sanders. I think I let me say I mean, I agree with I think first of all what I like about. It is just reminding everybody of why we all liked her in the first place and getting away from the sort of recent mishap with the DNA thing and remain. Finding us that she's has a really powerful record on banks and consumer issues, and that's how she the only reason she's here is because of great work in that regard. I and and I don't wanna get too nitpicky about rhetoric, but I do think to me like the old Clinton line points to basically, just a bigger difference of opinion. And I think she does within a much more genuine populist way have much more belief in the American meritocracy than I do. And I think Sanders does and that's an actual difference between some more democratic socialist position and progressive liberal one. And I think it's actually could be great. If the debate is on the merits of those things, but we shouldn't pretend they're they're the same or that there is sustained and I also think ironically that and I've been banging on about this. But it's true that when Bernie ran into thousand sixteen I loved what he said about Kissinger. And I love how he moved a bit on. On Israel Palestine, but he had no foreign policy. In fact, he sits ridiculous things about teaming up with Jordan and Saudi Arabia now, he is the leader with regards to Yemen as an example. So that's created a whole other justification, and if as applied to her I'd really like to see her remind us of why she was so good to begin with banks and regulation and she's got to move forward on a vision of the world. Yep. Yep. He'll brings on miles beyond any other mainstream politician on Israel to just without a doubt. And I I'm not one hundred percent convinced that in this environment that it's totally good enough to just have like butter at home guns abroad, foreign policy because I think that people who did do talk intelligently about Obama's legacy on the Iran deal. That's a great wave intersecting left perspective and some of the resistance rhetoric and guarding Obama's legacy. The racial is the tax on it also Israel, also what's happening across the world. I mean, you know, Bolsonaro was sworn in yesterday. I know we'll get to it. But the social media accounts of government workers order being comb through in that country. It's a Trump wet dream. So there's a Elizabeth Warren and sorry for that image. No, let's take a quick phone call. I know we're not in the fun half yet. But I wanna do this because. Calling from two one zero area code who's this where you calling from. Let's take a quick phone call. I know we're not yet. But I wanted to. Harry who's this Sam how you doing? Oh, it's come from San Antonio. I thought it might be you, John. And I saw that you were you were hanging on the line Colin early today, and let me get your quick. First off let me say happy New Year's to you. What is your sense, Elizabeth Warren? I know you're Bernie guy, but Bernie has yet to declare maybe we'll he won't declare. What is your sense of Elizabeth Warren? Well, I'm I'm glad she's running Verney doesn't declare. You know, I I'm glad that she's going to be you know, somebody who's gonna help some degree, you know, middle class and working class people. You know, I'm not totally sold on her. You know, I'm still going to be looking at Merkley, and if he decides to run, but you know, might my heart is definitely you know, in it for Bernie. And so, you know, I agree with what Mike Lynn Jamie, both said, and I think that the fact that he put out this this really great piece in Email yesterday that was published in a in common dreams which bay that did state it in which in the new year. Let us resolve to to fight. And this is the key key words here like we have. Never fought before for government society and economy that works for all of us. Not just those on top, you know, you. So I mean rent bear on his FOX show on December twelve th sid, you know, if there's grass support guest route support all run and in a fundraising Email on December twenty seventh. He also said if I'm the best candidate to beat Donald Trump. I'll probably run that is the truth. And so, you know, Bernie's consistently, you know, had the second-best hypotheticals against Trump, including besides just laid is the Harvard X poll had a lead of ten point three percent against Trump. And you know, I was just looking at Biden's numbers from two thousand and eight you know, he got one less than one percent in Iowa point two percent in New Hampshire Bernie received over thirteen million votes. So, you know. I just think that Bernie is is the real candidate that tree progressive wants. And you know, also, you know, Warren has definitely been hurt by this this video that she put out a, you know, concerning her native American heritage. And so I mean, her numbers are have really gone down. I think they'll they'll, you know, rise up again because of the publicity, and I think it was a smart move to actually announce early and I wish Bernie would announce and I also want to encourage everybody on December twelve there's gonna be a organizing number twelve. No, I'm sorry. January twelve there's gonna be a all these organizing events. Let me see what is it? Yeah. Organizing for Bernie dot com. Go to that website, and you can click on finding event I know I've already signed up for the event here in San Antonio. And you know, I encourage everybody to to go to these events in in, you know, show Bernie just how much we want him as a candidate. And because I mean to me, you know, he's ready to run. He just needs that extra support from all of his followers. And you know, the Bernie followers are definitely more committed than any other followers that are out there. And you know, and it's all about, you know, it's not. I mean, I think he is a. A, you know, his he is a curious Matic politician we've had that disagreement a little bit. But you know, it's mostly about his policy. And and so I mean people want people want him to run, and I have to say that, you know, great opening on pay go pig owes a big opening vote ASC's already said, you know, that she's she's not going to vote for pay go. And so now it's down to sixteen people. So I just want to encourage all of the the best progresses, and even centrist that, you know, pay go is really important to go to call my congress. My congress dot com as well to find out, you know, how to call and. Yeah, that that's a big deal. I think I'm glad that you filled it in with some numbers that details. John because I am more of a big picture person. But. I came to the same conclusions. Is you looking at you know, the larger social forces at play. I think none of the social forces that brought us Trump have changed substantially since two thousand sixteen if anything they have intensified, and I just think that Warren would lose really badly at a Trump. What's happened already doesn't bode well for the future. And why do you think I mean, look the the arguments of of of electability right now, I think our silly broadly speaking, but why why do you think why do you think Warren would lose badly to Trump? Okay. People don't only vote based on policy people vote based on vibe as much as we would like them to vote based on policy, right? And she has a very similar five to Hillary Clinton. The manager. That's exactly not channeling. She's not channeling the populist rage in the same way that Bernie is. But if you want to talk about policy, too, I think the only wiggle room in this election. It's in two places. Right. It's in this small slice of working class. Swing voters who could go back and forth. Although if you voted for Trump, I'm not sure that many of these people are coming back from that. But some and those people want to see, you know, policies that help them. They also want to see, you know, someone with an angry vibe and some of them are probably sexist too. So that might be on Bernie side. But also like more importantly, you need to turn out the people who don't usually vote, and that's how Jeremy Corbyn did it when he he increased the turnout among young people from like thirty percent. Like seventy eight percent or something like that. And those people are more important. Okay. So if you say that she has a similar vibe to Hillary Clinton Hillary Clinton, despite the fact of her policies, not being not being considered. So let's say for the moment. The Bernie Sanders is not run. If Bernie Sanders is not run. He's clearly going to support Elizabeth Warren. And the idea that Bernie Sanders is not going to get you an extra ten thousand votes in Michigan in an extra ten thousand votes in Wisconsin in particularly after what we saw in two thousand sixteen and with all the women who came out and drove I mean, excuse me twenty eighteen who drove record record numbers did it work for Obama getting votes for Hillary. Obama wasn't going out. Actually, Obama was hurting Hillary. I think with the TPP I think the value of Obama was very some all man make and wait a second. Let me finish. Really? But again, the idea that Bernie's not going to get ten thousand votes for ver- her in Wisconsin. And in Michigan is absurd. Like, the the margin was so small, and there were so many different factors that led to Hillary Clinton who I think was particularly in that time as a candidate uniquely ill-suited to run against Donald Trump in that time. I mean, I still I still contend that Martin O'Malley would have won. And and so the idea that people I mean, look at Donald Trump didn't even do as well as Mitt Romney as a share of the vote. And so, you know, the to totally discount the idea that. What what people have been saying for two three and four years that Hillary Clinton was a uniquely bad candidate will somehow that the next person who is not a uniquely bad candidate who doesn't rightly or wrongly have thirty years of baggage like literally people who made lifetimes of income. Let me let me based upon attacking the Clinton. It's I just there's no data to support this. What's just offer? Another viewpoint that I'm going to be hammering at least until we get more like numbers in. And maybe this becomes like a more tangible argument, we can have about electability. I think that there's a very good chance. And a lot of conditions are in play. But I don't think it's inconceivable that base, I I won't say all of them. But I think several of these people could be Trump, including ones, I really don't like I think Biden would smoke him. I think Bernie Sanders would smoke him. So my argument is going to be Bernie. Sanders is the best candidate. If you runs, and I strongly support him, and none of it is going to hinge on these electability. It's I way too early to early to cabin also. Also, let's flip it though, because I would say like that's always used against the left. So let me just say I think anybody could win. So let's go with the best one. I did. That's exactly right. I think at this point to to talk about electability, particularly when there's no data. There's no data. That's that's worthwhile. And all I mean, if you gave us some data. What what? Yeah. But that date is worthless. Like, you can go back to two years out two years out of any of any campaign in it is you know, who was who jump? Jabalya leading at this point. And Joe Lieberman lead the field in two thousand. We're we're too far out. But also, you could argue that Bernie has more like right now, there's more data that supports that he's electable. But to say that Elizabeth Warren is not electable is absurd. More vote against candidates in these election. Magic say more relevant to debunk is the you know, a lot of polling coming out saying that actually a Bernie Sanders is unusually popular with people of color and less popular, white people's examples. So there's a lot of lies about a support base. We can debunk with the numbers that are already established. But I I I want to just move in the opposite direction and say, I think that if especially if the trends right now, hold with where Trump's approval ratings are aware, the economy's going and what happened in two thousand eighteen he probably will lose. And I want to take this opportunity to nominate somebody who will actually make fundamental structural changes. And not just kick. Can't I wrote with a depressing Sentras deal? See for years. That won't change the material conditions you're talking about and I will say that. I think honestly at this juncture making the the electability argument is the most detrimental force to getting a good a better candidate from the perspective of the left because the electability is exactly what you will hear to discount. Anybody coming from the left in fact, and John I appreciate the call buddy. I agree with you John here is a perfect example right of of where the the center is the so-called center and by the center, I mean, really like really the Senate right is is going to take this. It's all based upon an elected -bility argument. No one has a sense of who is electable right now. The only the only genuine data that you can look at is what happened in the last presidential election. What happened in the midterms? What has happened? Traditionally the Republican presidential candidate in six out of the last eight elections seven out of the last eight elections has gotten less of a share of the popular vote. And and yes, it is the case that you can lose the election. If you don't get those fifteen thousand votes in. Michigan and the fifteen thousand votes in Wisconsin, and in Pennsylvania, but I will remind everybody forty thousand in Pennsylvania. I will remind everybody that well, what happened in the mid term elections dramatically a dramatic change there. In terms of swinging back and record number of democratic voters. So the idea that electability is a real thing for really any of these democratic Kennex, particularly at this point. I mean, you need to see people out on the campaign trail, and there can be some really God awful. Campaigners. But we we haven't there's just simply not enough evidence at this point. But here is I would love to be wrong about this. Well, I look I would love reading history though. And right wing populism is the result largely of capitalist crisis. And that's not going away. I understood to intensify. I understand the capital's crisis is going to intensify. But the fact is three million more people voted for a deeply flawed candidate who was literally up until the moment of her campaign going out and speaking to the villains of of the two thousand eight financial crisis. I mean, there is nothing we have no analog. And there is no indication that Donald Trump is getting more popular than he was in two thousand six it's also just knowing that turn out would increase. It's also, no you're wrong. We just saw the greatest turnout of Democrats in the midterm election in any of our lifetimes and since Watergate. Beyond. Watergate shook you're wrong about that fundamental point. There is every reason to believe that democratic turnout is going to be gang busters. It was totally impotent turn out. I mean, honestly. Anybody who's good does anybody like the strut stroke callback? Yeah. It was impotent sad impudent. So I mean, that's absurd there. I mean, look, I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to. I'm you know, I'm not being wallflower here. But the fact is is that every day point that you bring up actually there's you know, we don't know what's going to happen in the next two years. Totally right. I just think a better driver of turnout even than warrants. Very progressive policies is someone who says, yeah, the system is broken it's rigged against you. It's fucked, and I'm going to change it on a structural level rather than tinker with it. I mean who really think that there is a huge swath of people out there who are waiting for the word structural as opposed to everything else you said, which was just in her video the word. Well what I mean? Like like, she hit all those notes. Now, it's quite possible that she's not a great campaigner or that. There's other problems that are going to come up or that the DNA thing is going to haunt her. But but but we're we're trying to analyze here. Like, you know, sort of what the situation is with these candidates, and I get it Bernie's better. I get that. But the everything that you are basing on that Elizabeth Warren. And doesn't have a chance right now in twenty twenty that she is unelectable when you say she is unelectable or you might be unelectable to why everybody on electable on. But but Bernie has Claire right. I think Donald Trump is on electable, probably if there is to be honest with you, and and so, you know, the. The the enormous amount of factors that align to make it impossible for Hillary Clinton to win are not going to be involved in this in this this go round, it was an impotent showing Sam I mean, your son humor league over the truth or your appetite. Sorry. Really, no aggress. Let me let me let me get back to this argument that we keep hearing over and over again that the left is unelectable, okay and. In this case is coming from a guy who just lost his incumbency. This is outgoing Senator Joe Donnelly with a warning to his party. And well, let's listen to it first before I re characterize what he's saying. Party the Democratic Party. You lost an Indiana November mccaskill we just talked about lost in Missouri. Heidi Heitkamp lost in North Dakota. The Democratic Party was already receding to the coast, even more. So now, so candidate democrat party, your party, be viable without appealing to the interior of the country where you live and where we represent. I don't know how you do that. I mean, I was fortunate enough. I got more votes in this term than any democrat in Indiana in modern history. But it wasn't quite enough. Because the president came three times in about the last week six times in about the last month and a half and said this is about him. And he said if you don't vote, basically, you're betraying me, and we have not made enough of a connection. I work like a dog nonstop to make that connection. But that the people of my state understand that culturally, we wanna make sure you succeed that we're gonna fight to make sure that for instance, on student loans will keep the interest rate at the same rate as a housing loan. But when you talk Medicare for all like, I heard on the panel earlier you start losing the people in my state when we start talking about, hey, we're going to work together with the insurance companies to lower premiums. That's what connects and so. So think it all right. This guy definitely would lose the Trump. Right. Right. So Joe Donnelly would have us believe that what the constituents of Indiana wanna hear it's not that you're going to get. Low like really low if not no cost insurance that you're not going to have to deal with what his constituents want is that you're going to work together with the the insurance country. Remember Trump, Steve right before they lack, of course, I'll tell you what close to work with the insurance people. Now, if you went to college not going to be more than a home though, my right? All right. A week. The house. Here is a Kaiser family foundation poll, which states that over fifty percent. Of the people of Indiana. And apparently, Joe Donnelly didn't have this poll support Medicare for all you can see if you go in there, we will zoom in to Indiana get it in there, we go right there. Now, that's a beautiful turquoise color. And if we go down to the key we can see that turquoise is over fifty percent. We have probably around fifty to fifty three percent. But it's not just that first of all this notion that he got the most votes of any democrat stay well. He's the incumbent. The incumbent for six years, and I will tell you that he really didn't do much better. There was another woman. Liz Watson, she ran for a house seat in the ninth district. Now, she lost by thirteen points. To her to n incumbent. She lost by thirteen points to the incumbent, but she ran on Medicare for all. Don, we lost by only six points. But then he lost by another four points to. There was another four points from a libertarian which would have gone to the Republican presumably if they were not in the race. And they're you're at basically, ten points as the incumbent he loses. Sir. I'm underemployed and drowning college debt and I'd like to vote for democrat. I've just a little alienated by this talk of relieving my student debt, if you could just match with a home loan, which of course, I'll never be able to afford feel a lot more comfortable that would connect with me. It's all well and good that you're going to provide for me, a basically, no headache, no cost health insurance. But what I would rather see is you to sit down and actually come to a tedtalk tit situation with some big insurance corporation said free health care point of delivery. But my where's the where's the dialogue with Humana. See I really connects with me man, what we've just witnessed is Joe Donnelly's. If not, you know, this is one of his calling cards that he's going to like he's going to take that interview. And he's gonna take the link, and it's going to be attached to his resume as he applies for lobbying positions in some massive law firm in Washington DC on health insurance. It's really going to sell himself as being the guy who is going to go to these three senators. I can't think of who they are off the top of my head. But there's three or four of them that he is going to tell that a partner of the law firm. I can get you that one that one and that one. And those are the guys I will work on in the Senate to prevent Medicare for all in the event that the one thing that Joe Donnelly wants more than anything. Is a democratic takeover the Senate. So that he can get that lobbying job and stop Medicare for all there's an I just wanna say and Claire mccaskill same exact deal. Same exact deal and Dick Gephardt who you mentioned earlier. There's audio from him from last year. I think Li Fang dug up it's a meeting, and he was like we're never going to let single payer pass period, and he's sort of like the prime former democratic leadership influence peddler in Washington right now for everything not just healthcare. Also, even like, not recognizing the Armenian genocide. And one of the great things if you start to change the makeup of the democratic house, and in the future, the Senate is that these people won't be employable. Exactly. This will be no use. There's no social capital gonna take quick break. Head into the fun half of the program. We will talk more about these. We've got more of this. Everybody even Terry McAuliffe. Now, he's for Medicare for all. But he wants to put the brakes on some other things. I mean, they're all all of these surrogates are going out there. They have slightly different agendas. Some are looking for lobbying jobs. Some are looking for lobbying jobs and also to support people who will help them in their lobbying jobs. So it's not just it's not just one note. We will talk about that more in the as the program goes on. Mike Pompeo says that Brazil is going to be an ally in their attempt to bring back to Bach Crecy to Venezuela. And there's nothing like in. Enlisting a burgeoning fascist state to help you bring back democracy in its neighbor. Or to literally telegraph without that invasion is finally happening. There you gots incredibly disturbing. We will. We will talk about that. And more. 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A Democrat in Republican Terrain

CNN's The Daily DC

11:20 min | 2 years ago

A Democrat in Republican Terrain

"They take one last ride around the world, the EMMY award winning Anthony, bourdain parts, unknown the final episodes chairs, Sundays at nine on CNN. Hey, everyone. I'm David chalian CNN political director, and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today. Once again, the podcast is coming at you from mcallen Texas where CNN is hosting a big better work. Townhall tonight moderated by Danna bash, be sure to tune in at seven pm eastern. We've talked a lot on this podcast. This cycle about how different the political terrain is in the battle for control of the United States Senate versus the battle for control of the US house of representatives. And I just think a perfect example to illustrate this was put out today by the Donnelly campaign. That's the incumbent democratic Senator. Joe Donnelly running for re election in very deep red Indiana. Now I say very deep red. It was one of those states that Barack Obama in two thousand eight was able to flip from red to blue, but it's also one that even for his own reelection for years later in two thousand twelve, Mitt Romney was able to grab back. So. Not that it been forever since it voted in a presidential election for democrat, and obviously Donnelly himself got elected six years ago, but it is a deep red state, and it is one of those five states that we have often talked about where a democratic incumbent Senator is up for reelection in a state that Donald Trump won by double digits. So this was not a narrow Donald Trump victory in Indiana over Hillary Clinton just two years ago that being said, you'll know that Joe Donnelly, he voted to confirm Neal Gorsuch. He was one of those three democratic senators who voted to confirm Neal Gorsuch, but he voted against the confirmation of bread Cavanaugh and there was some polling out. I believe it was NBC mirrors poll that was looking at how people may have reacted to that. And there didn't seem to be a huge net negative for him, or frankly, for Claire mccaskill in Missouri the way that the poll showed that there. Was a huge net negative for Heidi Heitkamp in voting against Cavanaugh and at the time part of what I was saying as to why I think he may be able to sort of get by with his vote is that although it is deep red in places like Indianapolis, where there's a big African American population or places like college town, like in Bloomington, Indiana, where Indiana University is and a lot of young people, there are some natural base constituency areas in Indiana in a way that there just isn't in a place like North Dakota or a place like West Virginia. So some natural democratic base vote certainly exists in Indiana, but it is not. And by any stretch of the imagination, really a purple state clearly not a blue state. So for people like Joe Donnelly or Claire mccaskill, then you always have to sort of do that calculus of how do you separate yourself from the National Democratic Party whose Br. May not be at all welcome in Indiana in a positive way without dampening any of the enthusiasm in some of those places where there is natural based democratic constituency who are pretty fired up in their anti-trump feelings this year, and you want them to turn out in bigger numbers than you ever have before. So you gotta get those base communities. So fired up without turning off the huge swath that you need in the middle. And even some wavering Republicans to come on board in a place like Indiana in order to get reelected if you're Joe Donnelly. Well, today the Donald campaign released an ad that is an attention grabbing add. There's no doubt about that. It has him splitting with an axe a piece of wood on a chopping block, and it is to be the visual representation of how he splits with his own party. So this is an ad that is all about Joe Donnelly sh- trying to do his best to shed the d. that comes after his name for democrat. And not be associated with the National Democratic Party. This is how a democrat running in Trump country in the Trump era feels that he needs to approach the electorate with only nineteen days to go in the campaign. I'm gonna play you the whole ad in just a moment, but you're going to hear Donnelly embraced Trump's border wall embraced the military spending increase that Donald Trump oversaw tout his pro-life credentials and slam the quote liberal left. You're going to hear the whole ad, but just remember when I just went through that litany right there, I just want to remind you, Joe Donnelly is a democrat, and this is his latest ad for his reelection campaign. For the most part, I'm an easy going guy, but not when Mike Franchi's lying about my record. I split with my own party. To support funding for Trump sport a wall. The liberal left wants to chop defense spending no way. I'm not into a fair fight. I'm about giving our troops the ad. I voted to extend the Bush tax cuts and Mike Bron. He ships jobs to China. We've got to cut that out. I'm Joe Donnelly are prove this message now, is that going to be the solution? Is that going to be enough? Does he at all? Have concerns that by distancing himself from Democrats at all? Does he depress any of that democratic enthusiasm that exists in Indiana in those base communities? Clearly, his campaign has made the calculation vis needed to get on the air that he still needed to woo over the middle. And some of those wavering Republicans that perhaps they're making the calculation that that democratic base enthusiasm is locked in and that it's not going anywhere. And so they really gotta work in these closing days if he's going to get reelected, those independence, middle of the road Republicans never Trump Republicans to send him back to the United States Senate in the most recent polling. And there's not been a ton of polling in Indiana. I'm hoping we will see. Some more polls come out of Indiana, but at the beginning of October, there was a FOX poll that had Donnelly up two points over Mike Braun, his Republican challenger. There's been some other polling that doesn't meet CNN standards, but this is a margin of error, race and just to once again, get at the math here if indeed Heidi Heitkamp has lost her race already. I'm not sure that she has, but the polls have not look good there. And clearly she had a pretty monumental campaign mistake this week. When her campaign took out a newspaper ad, listing all of these women that they said, were victims of sexual abuse or sexual assault and apparently had done so without seeking permission of the women. And some of those women are not victims of sexual abuse. It was a complete error one with real human costs to what having your name publicly revealed without your permission by political candidate. You know, obviously there are real world reverberations for those women who. Were listed without their permission, which is why Heidi Heitkamp has been personally calling each one of them and apologizing in person to them as best she can. But as she acknowledged, the mistake was made and all she can do is apologize right now. So that was after the no-vote on cavenaugh, which was not wear her state was at all. And after some polling showing that she's in a real world of hurt in trying to get reelected. And then this mistake perhaps compounded that there's a debate in North Dakota night, and perhaps we'll see how high camper Kramer perform where they seem to think the state of the races. But if Heitkamp seat is already lost, Democrats need to then pick up three seats as we've discussed Nevada, Arizona and Tennessee being the three best opportunities on the map for them here in Texas being the longest shot opportunity. But if they were to lose Donnelley in Indiana, then you're talking about needing all four of the states, including here in Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Tennessee, and Texas. Which again is a long shot with a rookie running seven points behind Ted Cruz in the latest c. n. n. pole they would need to sweep all four. If they were losing North Dakota in Indiana and hold everything else, you can't lose Missouri, then you can't lose Montana or West Virginia or Florida. So that becomes a very tricky proposition. Now, like I said, Indiana looks to be a margin of error race right now, I'm not suggesting Joe Donnelly's a lost cause. But these add to me indicates maybe a very smart add. Maybe this is the way he wins, but it clearly indicates that he believes he still needs to win over the toughest voters to win over Republicans who are not naturally aligned with you or Republican leaning independence that you're still trying to convince an Indiana in this Trump era in this tribal politics era to put on a different jersey or at least feel comfortable pulling the lever for the democrat in in two thousand eighteen. It is a monumental challenge and it gets at exactly. Why Mitch McConnell and the NRA see the national Republican senatorial committee came into this cycle with such confidence, no matter what the headwinds were for the party and for Trump the map for the Republicans in the Senate, this cycle has been so advantageous that they felt that the map alone was going to be able to help them withstand any kind of wave barring it become a su- NAMI style way. But obviously, you know, these Senate races are still somewhat moving pieces. We've got nineteen days to go. And as I've said before, I don't think you can say control of the United States Senate is not even up for grabs. I just think it is a huge uphill task for the Democrats and this ad perfectly encapsulates from Donnelly. Just how advantageous the map is for Republicans and the kind of deep Republican turf Democrats are fighting for reelection on that. Does it for this. Of the daily DC. Thank you so much for listening. Hope you'll tune in again right here tomorrow. 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The Lasting Political Impact of The Ford-Kavanaugh Hearings

NPR Politics Podcast

16:44 min | 2 years ago

The Lasting Political Impact of The Ford-Kavanaugh Hearings

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from internet essentials from Comcast, connecting more than six million low income people to low cost, high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more now they're ready for anything. Hey, there. It's the NPR politics podcast yesterday on the pod. We broke down all of the testimony by Brett Cavanaugh and pristine Blasi Ford Blasi Ford is you remember accused him of sexual assault. When they were in high school, he vehemently denied it today. We're focusing on the political impact and fallout from that. I'm tamra, Keith cover the White House. I'm Danielle Kurtz Leibman, political reporter. I'm Kelsey Snell cover congress, and I'm a bunch in our political editor. Let's get caught up on a very intense week of news supreme court. Nominee, Brad Kavanagh sat before the Senate Judiciary committee for the second time in response to allegations from Christine Blasi Ford of sexual assault. The hearing went on all day and Senate Republicans and Democrats heard dramatic testimony both from Ford and Cavanaugh emotions ran high on Friday. The judiciary committee began to a symbol. With a plan to vote on Kavanagh's nomination. And there was a moment where it looked like everything was full steam ahead and a protester, a rape survivor. Cornered Senator Jeff flake as he was getting on an elevator. Presumably to go vote in favor of Kavanagh to vote him out of committee. Yet. He had said earlier in the day he was going to vote for cabin out. There was a statement that he put out and it looked actually, I talked to Republicans at the beginning of the day who were bullish, who thought that things were moving along exactly as they expected. And then this happen children. I cannot imagine that for the next fifty years. They will. In the free court who has been accused of filing young girl. I just wanna take a moment to reflect on that that this this protester she was just one of so many people who have been affected by the conversation that happened in that hearing by what is being discussed right now. I mean, I think that there is a conversation that is being had by a lot of women right now about things that they may be haven't talked about in a lot of years. Danielle you've been doing some reporting, right? I went down to the supreme court where there was a rally in front of the building in response to the Blasi Ford Cavanaugh hearings from this one protest. Admittedly, the day after these, these hearings to me, it didn't have the feeling of the women's March. It was a bit more somber. I mean of the handful of women, I spoke to one college woman told me about supporting her friends who have been assaulted. One woman was there with her seventeen year. Old daughter saying my seventeen year old is going off to college next year. I'm very afraid for her being assaulted. One woman told me about her assault and how she didn't talk about it for fifty years. What is the political implication of what those women are feeling? What they were telling you about? First of all, there is of course a political divide here. This is not just about women versus men. Democratic women in particular are very fired up about this and we can't ignore that. But I wonder if there might be a sense among women that the rug has been pulled out from them here or the ascends at the very least that things have not changed and Dominica. This isn't just a moment for democratic women. There has also been a strong reaction to judge Kavanagh's testimony a strong reaction coming from the right, right Republicans really were able to rally around what judge cavenaugh. Did you know it was a sharply. Partisan kind of eyebrow raising partisan testimony that he gave. But it was enough for Republicans to be able to essentially rally around and you know, get together and say, hey, we may not know what to believe. What we know that we can't stand the Democrats, and the fact is Democrats, they felt had been problematic in this process and it was enough to get behind Cavanaugh. You saw he him get hand from Lindsey, Graham, the Republican from South Carolina to my Republican colleagues. If you vote, no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing. I have seen in my time in politics. You won't this seat. Hope you never get it. I hope you're on the supreme court. That's exactly where you should be. And I hope that the American people will see through this charade President Trump loved it. And you know centrally said, this is why nominated the guy. So. So the confirmation process is now on ice late Friday, President Trump ordered the f. b. i. to conduct a supplemental investigation of judge Cavanaugh and any credible allegations against him. This opened the door for the Senate to vote to move forward with the cavenaugh nomination, but pending the completion of the FBI probe is being celebrated by people on the left. But Kelsey, it's not clear to me how does this turn out to give a little bit of a reality check on what this actually means. It is not a criminal investigation in this is a background check and those have really different rules and religious demands. And it also has is very narrow. So they have one week to complete this and it is narrowly focused on current credible allegations, even Senator Jeff flake who is the one who called for this FBI investigation said it'll be up to the FBI to determine what current incredible means. Does it. In just Ford. Does that mean Deborah Ramirez, whose allegations came out in just about a week or so ago? Does that include the woman who's being represented by Michael Noddy the attorney for stormy Daniels? Who does that include? And how far does this scope actually reach on Democrats already asking for that? They want something that's a wider investigation. I don't see how a wider investigation of that kind of magnitude gets done within a week. And frankly, if they look just at the Ford allegations, which you know Republicans after her testimony said that they thought that she was credible but have hung their hats on the fact that they haven't been able to get any corroborating information from any of the other potential witnesses who Ford says were there if all of that holds up, if the FBI investigates and speaks to those individuals and they maintain that they have no recollection of being at that party or that party happening. This could wind up being a good thing for judge cabinet. Oh yeah. This is no silver bullet for the Democrats for the thing that they. They wanted this FBI investigation. They are getting it, but it might be the thing that gives a lot of Republicans cover to say, we worked on corroborating for story and we weren't able to and that could make it so that people like Senator Susan Collins of Maine who has been one of the most closely watched people in all of this that could give her the space to say, you know, the FBI got involved. They didn't see anything cavenaugh. I will support you a couple of things to add in there though. I mean, going back to dominicos points about Republicans saying that Blasi Ford was credible. Well, they said she was credible, but then again, they didn't believe the parts of the very crucial part where she said, you know, I am one hundred percent sure that it was cavenaugh. Aside from that, we have a very good piece up on on the web by one of our colleagues, Phil Ewing. That explains this FBI investigation of my understanding here is an Kelsey. Maybe you can tell me a little more. My understanding is that this FBI investigation it doesn't. It's not like it comes out with a green check or a red x. like this happened or didn't right. Is the form of this just going to be a stack of interviews. I mean, that is what Republicans have settle along. Right? Is that an FBI investigation doesn't draw a conclusion and that it's up to the senators to draw conclusions. But what it would do is it would involve interviews with more people people who have come forward since the last time Kavanagh had a background check. So it would give the FBI a chance to kind of establish what facts are in fact facts. One question I have about this is whether this FBI investigation, whether this pause is in some ways about saving the institutions or at least helping the institutions to be able to say that they didn't rush it through. I think it's about saving themselves. I think we give these politicians way too much credit. If we're going to say that they care that much about these institutions. I think some of them do care about the institutions, but you know they're facing a lot of political pressure. They're facing people who are in their faces about this letter any there. Just literally and they're just not sure what to do. They wanna make sure that they're doing this as Republicans have said respectfully of Dr Ford, but that they wanna still get cavenaugh through. Well, that's a really difficult balance. And they saw what the backlash was in nineteen Ninety-two after the way Anita hill was treated in nineteen Ninety-one, politics, nominations bills passing. Often it's about momentum. Taking pause can affect momentum. It can affect how senators see what just happened. I think that's absolutely true. It can affect how Senator see what just happened. It can also affect how the public sees what just happened and then what the public then relates to their senators specifically, I'm sure we're all thinking of those senators that are in those swing states. This year breath Cavanaugh was already seen pretty unfavourably in polls after the Blasi Ford allegation came out and then you know these other allegations came out. Well, I'm very interested in seeing how much those number swing or don't swing. It is quite possible. People are so dug in that they aren't going to change. One thing I would add though is that when we last polled on this with Marras we saw the, I believe it was forty. Two percent of Americans had said they did it know whom to believe whether Blasi Ford or Cavanaugh. Well, I wonder how much the hearings made them make up their minds or conversely, just left them in the air still so, but think about what else could happen in a week's time. Certainly there could be new revelations that come forward. There could be something that changes within these interviews, and that's certainly provides a lot of risk for Republicans to. We are at this point less than six weeks away from election day. How does this play? What? What does this end up meeting? Or does it mean different things in different places to different people as a good question, but if you are Senator Joe Donnelly, you're asking that question a lot today. So before the judiciary committee meeting, he's came out and said he was going to vote no on cabinet. Now, who is Joe Donnelly? He is one. Of the most vulnerable Democrats up for re election. I know we say that a lot, but this is really true. In his case, he's a democrat from Indiana from Indiana, a state that President Trump won by nineteen points, and you know, he is now going to go home with this FBI investigation happening. Having already said he would be a no and the people the campaign committee for Republicans are already out there. You know, making a big deal about this. One of their staffers was tweeting, dear Jo, it was nice knowing you and this is. I mean, it's a really serious question for him. I think it's a little bit safer for people like, I don't know, say Joe Manchin of West Virginia, her or Heidi Heitkamp in North Dakota who have kept their mouths very, very tightly. Shut Danielle. Yeah. I mean to add to that, at least on the voter side or the activism side as well. I mean, first of all, you can see this being the phrase. I've been using a lot this week is kind of a powder keg or lighter fluid or any sort of pyrotechnic analogies. What you could see it being that on either side of the aisle? Right. I mean. As far as the left, though, I will say this, I got a message of sporting from a group called run for something which encourages young progressives, especially young women to run for office. What they said was they saw a spike inactivity since the Blasi Ford and Cavanaugh hearing aside from that. I mean, if you just think about the logic of this look, the Anita hill hearings made for nineteen Ninety-two being called the year of the woman a if I'm recalling correctly. Two thirds bump in the number of women in congress, largely led by Democrats two-thirds more than a very low number absolutely true, but still fantastically large at the time aside from that, I mean, Donald Trump's election led to an already large wave of women who are running for office in who are ready to vote this year. Of course, mostly on the left. You can imagine that another man on the right with allegations of sexual misconduct against him, getting into power would fire up. Winning on the left in massive ways, especially this close to an election. And here's the thing though, in twenty sixteen, there was a man running for office who was accused of sexual assault and other things and was on tape talking about doing things, and he won and in a lot of ways that hearing that Cavanaugh Blasi Ford hearing and the reaction to it that happened immediately. It was like reliving the two thousand sixteen election in ten. Our most most definitely one thing I would add here by the way is, let's say that Kavanagh's confirmation is derailed. You can imagine that people on the right will be phenomenally upset and will themselves be energized to turn out in November and will feel as if they're person got a raw deal in all of this can I just had that I think is an interesting part of this isn't just about how voters feel. Or how people are running, sir. One thing I've noticed is that at least three senators who normally walk around this building, walk around the offices pretty much on encumbered except for having a few staff with them or walking around with police escorts with capitol police escorts, Susan Collins, Jeff flake and Chuck Grassley all walks through the capital today with at least two police officers with them because this has become such a tense political moment. Democratic women have been really fired up in this election as Daniel alluded to, you know, they've been looking to send a message to President Trump. Democrats need. Twenty-three seats to take back the house and they're going to get their first shot at sending that message and whether or not they're going to be able to do that is largely going to be tested in that battleground, even beyond the midterms, this this could extend certainly beyond November. I mean, people are gonna remember this for sure people remember Merrick, garland, for example. I mean this this could hold on for a while and by the way opinions change. Well, after the fact I was looking at sympolic today from nineteen ninety one and nineteen Ninety-two as of nineteen Ninety-one. Pulling found that around twenty four percent of Americans believed Anita hill in the Anita hill. Clarence Thomas hearings one year later, forty four percent said they believed Anita hill is similarly, a lower number believed Clarence Thomas a year later opinions can change. Drastically over time, especially should the atmosphere of how America thinks of sexual assault. Sexual misconduct change. This next nominee is going to be replacing the swing vote on the supreme court. This is bigger than just the midterms total. You know, this is the five, four vote that will place essentially a conservative majority in place for a generation potentially and for the first time in seventy five years or so. There would be a conservative majority on the court. This is a big deal and bigger than one midterm election that was NPR's Domenico Montanaro Danielle Kurtz, Laban and Kelsey Snell. Thank you, all. Thank you. They welcome. And thank you for listening to the PR politics podcast. Support for this NPR podcast and the following message come from Delta Airlines. Now enjoy free mobile messaging while flying on delta. You can use. I message WhatsApp and Facebook messenger simply by logging into the in flight wifi.

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Trump repeatedly used racist language before his presidency, longtime lawyer Michael Cohen tells Vanity Fair; Trump's racially-charged ad makes false claims; Obama stumps for candidates in tight FL, GA governor races

The Lead with Jake Tapper

48:47 min | 2 years ago

Trump repeatedly used racist language before his presidency, longtime lawyer Michael Cohen tells Vanity Fair; Trump's racially-charged ad makes false claims; Obama stumps for candidates in tight FL, GA governor races

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The man who may know more about President Trump than anyone else. His former fixer Michael Cohen this afternoon, claiming the President Trump used awful racist language on a number of occasions. But can we believe Michael Cohen with such an ax to grind President Trump with what seeing kind of like a walk back now denying he ever said troops should shoot migrants had the border. If they were rocks at them. Of course, he did say, plus it's just wrong literally wrong wrong morally wrong, factually, we're going to go into the details of that racially charged dad, the President Trump wants at the top of his Twitter feed and how it solely blames the Democrats for the presence of a cop killer in the US. What are the facts? CNN bridging news, welcome to the lead on Jake tapper. And we begin with breaking news in the politics lead. President Trump repeatedly said blatantly racist things that's the claim the president's one one lawns. Longtime lawyer Michael Cohen is now making Vanity Fair magazine Cohen revealing specific anecdotes from his time with Trump before Trump became president N as confirmed from a source close to Cohen that the story and the quotes are accurate. According to Cohen, the White House has not responded to our requests for comment, a momentary warning for the parents that the language and the sentiments Cohen claims the president used our offensive if you wanna hit mute for the next thirty or so seconds Cohen alleges that during the two thousand sixteen campaign, he watched a Trump rally and remarked Trump later that the Trump crowd was largely white Trump. According to Cohen responded, quote, that's because black people are too stupid to vote for me, unquote. Cohen also says. Years earlier after the funeral of Nelson Mandela Donald Trump said quote, named one country run by a black person. That's not a shithole named one city that quote, certainly echoes the now infamous remark the president is said to have made about people coming to the US from shithole countries such as Haiti or countries in Africa. Michael Cohen also recounting the conversation with Donald Trump in the late two thousands. While the two were in Chicago Cohen explaining quote, we were going from the airport to the hotel, and we drove through what looked like a rougher neighborhood. Trump made a comment to me saying that only the blacks could live like this Cohen, of course, is currently awaiting sentencing after he pleaded guilty to tax evasion and campaign finance violations. And there are a lot of accusations that he's not a credible. Individual Cohen told Vanity Fair he's telling the truth he's been reflecting particularly in the wake of the president's inflammatory rhetoric ahead of the midterm elections Coen claiming he wants to clear his conscience and warned voters ahead of the election. He is now a registered. Democrat this story coming as President Trump is stoking fears about undocumented immigrants as his closing argument moments ago, we saw something that was almost like a walk back from President Trump on one of the more shocking claims he's made in the last twenty four hours this one regarding migrants attempting to make it to the US after the president touted potentially having the US military shoot migrants. If they throw rocks. CNN's Kaitlan Collins is in West Virginia getting ready for the president's rally in Caitlyn now, President Trump says he never used the word shoot. And that's factually, correct. You never use the word shoot. But that's not the point the impression. He clearly gave was that. He was telling the military they should respond to migrants as if they were wielding firearms. Not rocks, which means shoot. Largely left it open born interpretation. And now he's walking back what he had left open for interpretation yesterday. What are you talking about the troops? They used to point to the border and whether or not microbes throw rocks at them. Hacker say that yesterday, here's how he's wording in today. They hit them with rocks. Very seriously injured, and they were throwing rocks in their fake. They do that with us. They're going to be arrested. There's gonna be problem. I didn't say, Hugh. Did it say, but take? As he made yesterday remarks that ice did note are now being used for that near dairy army to justify firing upon protesters. Dozens of which they also reports from Trump that are being widely criticized by former retired military general. We're going to consider it. I tell them considered a rifle when they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military and police I say consider it a rifle. The president. They're kind of walk back. Those comments on southbound Jake while he was talking about immigration overall, something he has tried to put Rutten center. I'd be scam paid rallies where he's all the way right now. Headed the mid-term elections on Tuesday Caitlin last week. Obviously, a Trump supporter mailed CNN and critics of the president pipebombs and six days ago, anti Semite radicalized by all these lies about the migrant caravan killed eleven Jews at a Pittsburgh synagogue, the president today was asked about a new ABC news Washington Post poll, finding that forty nine percent of the public believed that the president encourages politically motivated violence with the way he speaks. He was asked about that. What was his response? It was a pretty stunning response. Jake in one that's getting a lot of attention for the way. He said it the reporter asked him this question. The president turned pointed his finger at her and had this to say. No, you know, what you're creating violence by your questions. You know, you are created you. And also a lot of the reporters are creating violence by not writing the truth. The fake news is creating violence. Now, take the president said it pretty clearly when he said that the media will report accurately in his opinion. There would be less violence in the country and Jake dot com. It comes up to the press secretary Sarah Sanders said last week, the president wasn't blaming the media or anyone for that matter for those events. I was national tragedies that happened last week Jake or Kaelin Collins in West Virginia, thanks so much. And our experts are here with me. And there's a lot to talk about and Senator Santorum, I know you would like to be talking about the economy, but that's not has been reported this Hooper guy. Absolutely. But but now we have a lot of other things. Thanks to President Trump. Let's start with the Vanity Fair article. Obviously Michael Cohen is not an impeccable character. Do you disbelieve what he says, the president said, do you believe it, what do you think? Well, I don't know. But you know, if you consider the fact that the president has made very outrageous comments earlier us. Using phrases like s whole it's not inconsistent with maybe some some things that he may have said, I think what was interesting about. It is very troubling charges. Very explosive. Accusations. But I think the interesting thing is will it matter like, we'll people even think that this the president couldn't have said this or normally it would be a huge huge controversy, and it could potentially crater his support amongst even his most ardent defenders, but I expect it probably won't have that much of an impact. I do disagree near now. But I mean, that's an indictment of the whole situation. Right. That just means that his supporters think he's racist and still support him which is an indictment of of those supporters who would believe maybe they don't believe it. Yeah. No. I just just as declare Kevin said that some people believe it and still think that's an indictment. Trouble believing. You think I've had my ears in to this president for two years. But even in the last week, I think it seems pretty obvious that it's not even it's not shocking, and I find what I found shocking and the articles of white. Didn't even bother to deny it because it's totally credible. That this president would attack a group that he doesn't like it's it's credible that he would tack Latinos is credible that who attack women it's credible that he would attack African-Americans because we've all seen him do it every single day in this Fetig that more people aren't outraged. Nobody will say just to clarify the White House hasn't responded to a request for comment. They haven't not denied it per se. Maybe they will deny. Twitter, and they really respond quickly. It's weird. They haven't responded yet is all I'm saying Senator you do not believe Michael Cohen. I think as a general rule. No. I don't believe I do not believe these commun-. He could have set him. He might not have set him. He might have said them differently. I don't I don't know. I just don't think Michael Collins, particularly credible in the fact that he comes out five days before an election decided that he's going to throw this bomb out there to clear his conscience. All of a sudden, it's conscience bothering him at this particular time that just it just doesn't sound quite right to me timing isn't. I mean the time. I mean, the the timing is is on it leads to that sort of conclusion that why would you do this five days before an election? Yeah. I don't know what's going on with him emotionally or psychologically. So I I can't say that. But I agree with narrow. There's nothing about this. That is shocking. It's shocking and itself that anyone speak this way. It's not shocking that he would speak this way. Because of all the things that he has already said, and I think the last week of what he's been doing. What the caravan has just been out and outrage demagoguery, and so this this is this is a man who started his campaign talking about Mexican racist. And now he's talking right this racist and said oh Mexican, rapists. Okay, rapist. And now is talking about how women are particularly scared of the Mexicans coming into the country. I guess because they're, rapists. Right. So I think the one thing just I mean who knows about Michael Cohen completely, and I raised not the most credible witness. But I would also say that perhaps the fact that we had this searing situation happen where eleven Jewish Americans are killed and the president's response to that that could be a reason why some people who supported the president would say enough is enough. And I'm going to actually say what I know. I'm not saying, we do know. But I don't think it's so crazy that someone would have a moral conscious after this week and actually decide to speak up. And I think what's sad is not more Republicans are willing to condemn the president was the president's response. That was so reprehensible to he went he went to Pittsburgh, he paid disrespect seven hours later tweeting about the baseball game after eleven Jewish Americans are killed. Or attacking the news for violent prison forever. Some breathing. Seven hours after the president is the president. He talks about a lot of different things. The the reality is the president did the proper thing he went to Pittsburgh he paid respects to the people there. He is he is stood fast. As he does stand fast and support of an opposition to antisemitism in support of the state of Israel, probably more than any of the prisoner. Release still when people chant Jews will not replace us. And he says they're very good people. Most people you think that standing steadfast against anti-semitism. I think that's an outrage. I think I think you're you're you're completing two different things. The fact that the president said that they're good people on both sides is not confirming everything that those people say. When someone says Jews will not replace this. You should say that's wrong. It's outrageous. They have no place, and you should not say there's some good people here. And then that was a mistake just say it was a mistake what he did last year. But now he didn't. Terrific statement after that. That you first of all you just making all sorts of excuses for him that you never made for Barack Obama. I mean, which talks about tweeting after this massacre. Anytime Brock Obama went golfing. If anything was happening the world was ending. According to the Republicans now, it's totally different. But I think it's interesting that the White House can't just respond and say this didn't happen because for most people that would be the answer if somebody like called, your PR person and said, you just said a bunch of racists things, did you leave them that didn't happen. Would you believe him? I believe I want to bring. Kevin I met you through the Romney campaign. You were a spokesman for Mitt Romney, and one of the things that I've been thinking about this week is how would the world react if Mitt Romney or John McCain had done a B C or D because I feel like we're all kind of just getting used to things that we weren't normally used to like if if Mitt Romney the most offensive thing Mitt Romney did about immigration other than his offensive in quote was talked about self deportation. Well, if I. Well, if I if I got a call from a reporter about that, I would have said, well, don't obviously I don't want you to write the story yet because I'm going to offer as you know, Harsha denial on this and and offer every single evidence piece of evidence. I can't refute. What you're you're claiming. So I would have a great deal of confidence in that. But I do think this goes back to my earlier point, which is that that we would've normally been inside a huge of meltdown phase inside of a campaign or inside of a potential White House knowing that something like this happened, and or even having a charge like this out in out in the public. But that is the that's the difference between the old politics of normals times. And and the politics that we have today. Yeah. Everyone stick around. We've got a lot more to talk about. It's not only violence. It's also factually wrong. We fact check that racially charged. Add that Trump tweeted this week that's coming up next with us. Support for the lead comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. Well, our friends at Quicken Loans are doing something about that. 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President Trump might not have helped his case when he tweeted out instead incendiary racially charged web at just two days ago and added that attempts to so fears about undocumented immigrants at cites the case of a Mexican man who killed to California sheriff's deputies flashing to images of the migrant caravan while also showing images of the cop killer. It turns out that potentially offensive exterior is the gift ramping around claims inside the ad that are just false C N N's Tom foreman. Dug into the argument underneath it all tongue the ad suggests the Democrats are solely to blame for this cop killers presence in the US. Is that true? Yes. It does just that Jake. And it's true that they had says that and then utterly fails to prove it. Using an actual court appearance by convicted cop killer, Luiz Bracha Montes. The video gets this. Right. The Mexican man who entered the United States you legally did say he'd liked to kill more police officers. But then it goes factually off the rails with two big claims. Democrats let him in and Democrats. Let him stay both are misleading at best at worst flat out foles. Here's why records indicate Bracha Montes. Enter the US you legally and was deported more than once before those murders, true and immigration and customs official told CNN it occurred under Democrat Bill Clinton in nineteen Ninety-seven, but it happened again in two thousand one when George W Bush a Republican was in office, Sacramento. Bee newspaper also found records indicating Bracha Montes was back in the US again in the early two thousands still under President Bush rock Amonte. He's was arrested at least three times in Mira COPA county, Arizona on drug and weapons charges that was the territory of then sheriff Joe are pile and outspoken supporter of President Trump so much so sore. Was even pardoned by the president and the sheriff's racial profiling of immigrants ran afoul of the courts, the B and other sources found Bracha Montes was deported twice and once released in those cases are piles assessment. How many times he was arrested in slipped through the cracks as my gut feeling that it was just two times? He's been deported. Still the video goes further suggesting scores of other immigrants could be Justice threatening. Homeland security has even said the caravan approaching the border is harboring more than two hundred folks with criminal histories while offering precious little proof and few details. So the Trump administration through this video and statements is strongly suggesting this caravan is filled with young men just as dangerous as Bracha Montes gang members killers drug dealers while denying the overwhelming evidence of how many men women and children who come to the US border seeking asylum are themselves fleeing poverty and violence in their home countries, Jake. All right. Tom foreman. Thank you so much. We have more breaking news just into CNN. We're learning that the Pentagon said no one of the Trump administration's most unexpected requests for the troops being sent to the border, then a tale of two presidents both with very different messages and very different focuses in these final days before the midterm stay with us. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. 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And they've turned increasingly nasty with various allegations of racism and ethics violations. C N N's, Kelly heart. Tom is in Atlanta, where President Obama's expected to take the stage later tonight Kelly President Obama had some fierce words this afternoon in Miami. He did Jake President Obama saying this might be the most important election of our lifetime. He said the stakes are just that high. And so he's investing is time in his energy on the campaign trail here to try to help Andrew gillum and Stacey Abrams write their own pages in the history books. Earlier today in Miami he issued this cold urgency as he tries to help Andrew gillum build a coalition similar to the one that vaulted him into office enthusiasm among young voters in non white voters. You heard it from him in a very familiar tone. The character of our country is all about. Having weeks of this election. We have seen repeated attempts to divide us. With rhetoric designed to make us angry and make us fearful. Four days. You can choose a bigger more prosperous, more generous vision. America, we're love and hope conquer hate. L here in Atlanta. You can see people lining this street. We're told seven thousand people are expected to fill the basketball arena at Morehouse college tonight as Barack Obama headlines and event for Stacey Abrams and three other women who were on the ballot here in Georgia. Jake. There's has been such a national spotlight on this race yesterday. You saw Oprah Winfrey come to stump for CCA brooms, vice president Pence with Brian Kemp. And tonight, it's Barack Obama Sunday. Brian Kemp will make his closing argument with President Trump. All right, okay. Hard time. Thank you so much. Let's talk about the midterms right now with our panel Senator central. Let me ask you a question. Why is the Georgia governor's race competitive? It's a it's a really it's a red state. I saw a Georgia official not long ago, a Republican, and he said, and this is this is weeks ago. But he said fifty five forty five Republican. That's just generally how the state goes. Why is Stacey Abrams making this such a race against the secretary? Of that state Brian Kemp. Well, I mean ran against the establishment, and as we've seen with with sometimes when conservatives run against the established look at can coochie Nolan Virginia, for example in the establish a rally behind Cancun only hate him eight a one that race, but they did. And that's what happens sometimes conservative uprising happens and a moderate Republicans tend to walk away. And look, I think, you know, stay same since the good candidate. And she's she she's done a good job. She's trying to get race. And if she can turn out the minority vote in in Georgia. She has a good chance of winning. Well, he's really aligned himself with Trump though. So I don't understand isn't Trump's supposed to be the big kingmaker and the she's so popular with everybody. So I don't really it doesn't really make sense. He he just cancelled a debate in fact, along plan to bait with Abrahams to go and campaign with Trump. So he's all in with Trump. And so what does that tell us if if she's and yes, she is an amazing candidate. There's no question and she's organized. Really, well, but like you said this. Really is not a state that you say senators point, though was that that there probably is some lingering pains, I think inside the Republican party whether or not as enthusiastic and coming out for for camp. One of the other things too is the changing nature of the demographics of the suburbs around Atlanta, and they have become less of more less of a red state in those areas. And so you are seeing Democrats have been more competitive historically there. They've they've tried missed in the last couple of cycles, this might be their cycle. And it say she is put together a great coalition. Does. She is getting a lot of was. She's getting a lot of support from suburban women white women white college educated women, and I think to your point you have Republicans actually crossing over. And I hope it's because a lot of Republicans are sort of repulsed by Brian Kemp's efforts to suppress voters. And and the tactics is used I'm actually impressed. How much that has been part of the conversation. But I'd say I think the issue here is really don't Trump has when he was elected to get more Republican support. I think your point is he got more Republican support than Brian campus than able to get and I think what's really happening is that you have a lot of moderate Republicans who after two years of Donald Trump who you know, are actually now crossing over and want to check with. Never been women with college degrees in the Atlanta. And that's going to be me. That's gonna be me. That is a group that used to be solved the public at all. Can we just terp votes voter suppression? Because every time people use the term voter suppression. Here's what they're talking about voter ID easels, which by way, not Georgia. I don't want to get it done. We'll go down the rabbit hole of voter suppression or voter ID laws. This is about the exact match law in this question about whether Stacey Abrams group, which registered a lot of African Americans is being unfairly targeted by Brian. Stories is forcing. It's just for that. We can do I wanted to change the law. There's something interesting there. Go bomb said that was really interesting because the president is obviously very convinced that the caravan is going to help get his voters out President Obama is now using Trump using the caravan try to get his voters out or voters Stacey Abrams or Andrew Gill and take a listen. Twenty eight. They're telling you the existential threat to America. If the bunch of poor refugees thousand miles away. They're even taking our brave troops away from their families. Political stuck. In the men and women military better. This is from a man who said the central threat to America was global warming. So just let's put it let's put it. In contrast. We decided to Defunte our military who decided to destroy our economy because he was concerned about global climate change. So you can take it for what you want whether he's credible voice. As to what the great threat ninety percent of the globe actually thinks of climate change is the next right? I'm glad glad. No, they are actually kept in Paris backing away. Let me just say this with fascinating about this last week, and we have seen a search in. There's indications of his surge Latino voting, and I think that it might be accountable reaction to the hateful rhetoric of Donald Trump over the last week. I'll still show that shake our show show. Okay. This twenty three eight an enormous. We'll see on Tuesday say we'll see on Tuesday. Kevin. I want to show you the latest poll in Florida shows Andrew gillum ahead of Republican Ryan to Santa's there. But it's only by a point he used to have a much bigger lead. You see Gillam up by one point that's within the margin of error. It's basically neck and neck in Georgia Stacey Abrams and Bryan camp are in a dead heat. According to the latest polls forty seven percent forty seven percent these trips. Trump Obama Pence Oprah they actually could mean the difference for either one of these or any of the four candidates. They they do. And I think that's what it's all about right now this last forty. Eight seventy two hours. It's all going to be about turn out right now this weekend. I think Obama's trip is particularly well time in places like Georgia and Florida they have the souls to the polls a lot of these African traditional African American churches are actually making their big push in the final weekend. And for the president. I think is message was a little bit undisciplined today. But just his yes, absolutely. But he was all over the place. But I think his president. Oh, I know President Obama. Yeah. You thought you thought he was okay. He was how was his message on. I thought I I actually thought he was going all the way across he was he he seemed like he was all the way across the whole what should he have done? What have you know? Here's the thing. I'm going to give him credit anyway, his presence alone back on the campaign trail and the energy that he brought in his appearances today is going to matter in this forty eight hours seventy never worked in the past. Well, we'll see we will definitely see I want to bring some breaking news right now. The Pentagon rejecting a department of homeland security requests for US troops to perform emergency law enforcement functions on the border C N N's Brian Brown joins me now live from the Pentagon. He's breaking the story. Ryan, what are you hearing from your sources? Well, take officials are saying that the department of defense turned down a department of homeland security request for active-duty troops to kind of serve as a reserve force that would protect customs and border patrol fficials while they perform their duties that could provide riot control traffic control. Those kind of functions department. Pence turning that request down. We're being told because they did not feel that active duty troops. That's titled ten forces that are going down to the border have the inherent authority to perform law enforcement functions on US soil. So they asked the department of homeland security to go back to the White House to see if they really needed this to to work with the White House to grant US military granted department of defense additional authorities to perform law enforcement on US soil that is of course, a long standing legal issue posse Comitatus whether or not US forces can perform these functions even in extreme situations. So this is why the request was turned down. It's not clear whether or not the White House is considering granting those additional thirties. But again over eight thousand US troops staging getting ready to deploy to the border. Some of these forces DHS wanted to perform this law enforcement function that requests for now turned down by the Pentagon. All right, Ryan Brown. Thanks for bringing us that breaking news. As we appreciate it a quickly just coming from each one of you. You were shaking your head. Do you think that was the right move? I think it's the right move. They have to push back. And I mean, this is a legal issue. It's not a political issue. And and and the fed primarily thinks doing the right thing pushing back. Yeah. I think the department of defense has an analysis that this is not an exit existential threat to the country. And I'm glad that they held to that analysis. All right. We're going to take a very quick break. When we come back Ken vulnerable, red state Democrats out Trump Trump in order to hold onto their Senate seat. Stay with us. Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got Shaun Livingston on Bleacher reports the full forty eight how many teams have gone final four straight time. One three of them. You know, like, you know, we see minute are placing mystery the full forty eight is now available on Spotify. And of course, you can always listen subscribe on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts. Wherever you this to podcast. And we're back with our politics lead and President Trump's sending a message to red state Democrats. You can't out Trump Trump right now, he's rallying in West Virginia to try to unseat democratic Senator Joe Manchin and tonight oh campaign in Indiana with vice president and former Indiana governor Mike Pence, they're the latest polls show democratic Senator Joe Donnelly essentially tied with his Republican challenger Mike Brown has seen. Jessica dean reports if you look at where President Trump is holding the bulk of his rally rallies, it's clear he's focused on unseating democratic senators in red Trump states. The final days before the election. President Trump and his supporters have zeroed in red States Senate Democrats with one message they're not conservative enough in West Virginia. Senator Joe Manchin has been a prime target. He's a liberal, and he's Chuck Schumer's a little pet mansion has tried to walk the fine line of being a democrat in Trump country building with the president more than any Senate democrat, including to confirm Brett cavenaugh and Neil Gorsuch. Trump one West Virginia by more than forty points in two thousand sixteen but mansion remains a slight favorite against Republican Patrick Morrissey in Indiana, a state the president carried by nearly twenty points Senator Joe Donnelly cut and had proudly touting his independence a split with my own party. To support funding for Trump's border wall. During a recent debate, he also left the door open for Trump's controversial proposal to end birthright citizenship, I'd wanna see that legislation. Make sure it was constitutional and review it first tonight. Trump will be an Indiana rallying supporters trying to convince them there's no such thing. As a blue dog democrat, a red state democrat or a conservative democrat because they are all Pelosi Democrats as similar message to the one the president delivered Thursday night in Missouri mccaskill promise to represent the people of Missouri. But she broke that promise and joined radical Democrats in Washington. Like other red state Democrats. Mccaskill is stressing har- independence, even calling some members of her own party queasy there may be people in this room that think I am not liberal enough to carry the banner of this party. She's also using issues like border security to demonstrate how she supported the president win doors, President Trump and Claire mccaskill because of their records on border secured for Trump that's not conservative enough, the people of Missouri going to retire far left democrat Claire mccaskill. Who's been saying such nice things about me? But you know, what she'll never vote with me. There are two states with tight Senate races. The president won't be traveling to before election day that would be Zona and Nevada. Recent CNN poll showed the democratic candidates with a slight edge in both of those races. Jake. So much just appreciate it. So first of all we should note. The Republicans told Jeff Zeleny at the White House that the Republicans in Nevada Arizona said to President Trump don't come go to go to other places is immigration closing argument would hurt them in those states all the time. Bond was told not to come to many. Oh, no. Of course. Of course. That's not a surprise. So President Obama not going, for example to Missouri. Where where let's look at the latest poll forty three percent for Claire mccaskill the incumbent democrat forty-three percent for Josh Holly. The state attorney general I it's a straight toss up. Trump won the state by nineteen points. So you have to wonder if mechanical strategy of painting yourself as a moderate distancing yourself from what she calls crazy Democrats, which you Niro. Is working. I might be working. Well, yeah. I mean, she knows what she's doing the fact that it's this close as it is in such a conservative state. I mean, it's a it's a state that Trump won is also just a fundamentally conservative state. She's not a liberal. She's she's relatively moderate democrat and the crazy. Democrats comment actually was talking about people going in and interrupting and yelling people in restaurants, which even I have said, you know, goes too far. So I think that that was the context and everybody's willing to sort of let her do what she needs to do in order to win. And but it's a tough state. You remember the last time around it helped her win the fact that her opponent referred to legitimate rape? So it's it's a very hard state to win this race. Is there has been late breaking news. Josh Holly about how he's misused campaign funds, essentially, having consultants having consult outside consultants direct state business. And I think that's a big issue in that race has been how quickly he's moved to the race from the race saying he would serve his four years. It's a very tough race. She didn't you know, she did pull it out a couple of years ago. But also, I think the fact that this is a state that Trump went by nineteen points. And he's going into campaign shows that there is a you know, there is a opposition. There are people who voted for Donald Trump who want to check on Donald Trump giving a company that forty three percent. I wouldn't want to be an incumbent last days at forty three percent. That's usually talking to win fifty that may be the case. And it may be the case. Look, I I'm not I'm not saying we're gonna hold onto the house. But I think in the Senate he had a lot of democratic senators under fifty percent, and I feel really good. If I was challenger, even if I was a couple of points behind look Claire mccaskill, I if Claire mccaskill was a moderate there are then then there is no such thing. As as gore said. Of course, it is. There is no such thing. Yeah. After he had the votes of Republicans TV confirmed. Hey, let's just like Joe Manchin did he waited till the had the Republican votes than they cast the vote. So they could go back and say they voted for the reality is she of ten years ago. She would be considered left of hard left of the Democratic Party. Now, she's not well, the party has moved to the leads to the right, Kevin the ask you speaking of Joe Manchin, the Senate leadership fund, according to the Washington Post that's a Republican super Pac run by Mitch McConnell. The Senate majority leader they're no longer airing ads in West Virginia because they do not think that they can beat Joe Manchin. I mean, that's one of the signs that you usually see in the last few days of of people reallocating resources. That's it's just become scarce and reversers have to be prioritized other races. I think the thing about Joe Manchin is he's been well funded campaign on his own. He's always been very good about tailoring. His message directly to state fighting with Washington Democrats when he needs to order to draw the right kind of contrast. He's a very good politician. And he knows his state pretty well. So I think it is a tougher race for Republicans their patch. He is a very good candidate. He's made it a very good effort there. But I think it's it's you know, it's he's an tougher spot. These going into these last seventy two hours and some of the other candidates and near one of the things that we're hearing from some of these red state Democrats argument of look, I know you might not always agree with me. But you know, I always stand up for what I think is right. It's a character argument. Take a listen to snippets from a couple of ads. I don't always agree with Claire mccaskill, but she works hard fighting against those tariffs doing all those town halls and not afraid to stand up against her own party. Bet you never heard this in a political ad. I may not be the candidate for you. If you want someone to be with a political party one hundred percent of the time. I'm not that guy. I think that I think what they're basically getting to is. There is a group of voters in this states who voted for Trump. But who are also uncomfortable with sort of the ideological wedges of the Republican party backing in one hundred percent. And so there's a group of people who are open. It's it's in some of these states twenty percent open to having someone who is moderate on a lot of issues doesn't have to them all the time. But we'll serve as a check against Trump, which is an interesting phenomenon. Two years later and states that he won by twenty percent. But I want to get your reaction to something the President Trump just said at this rally in West Virginia you're talking about. Sure that the Republicans were going to hold onto the house President Trump at a rally just moments ago saying the closest he's ever said to the acknowledgement publicly that Republicans might lose the house on Tuesday. Take a listen, it will be ridiculous, frankly, it'll be bad for our country, the Democrats, and it could happen could happen. We're doing very well. And we're doing really well in the Senate, but could happen, and you know, it gives you my whole life. You know, what I say don't worry about it. I'll just figure it out. So is that that sounds great. The expectation. I understood the usually this is done with a senior administration official whispering to New York Times or Washington Post reporter, like we, you know, we're we're r hopes are not we we don't have our hopes up to too much about is usually a president who doesn't go forward and say I'll deal with it. It'll be fine. If it were out myself. Well, I'm not sure that's a great message. You need to continue to rally and try to fight to the very bitter. And look Republicans have a chance to hold on. I mean, a lot of the races are in our very close very close. And you know, you if you look at traditional turnout models from pass midterms under those models Republicans have a chance of, you know, getting closer maybe holding on. But we'll see how energize the Democratic Party is. If there is energized. Everybody says Republicans are in for a long night. Now, what do you think's gonna happen curious than what what's your prediction for Tuesday minute? We learn you don't want to go for you. Very smart. Not jinxing. No. I don't want to maim still scarred from twenty six Neetu. So you're not gonna earn issues. I do think it's I mean. If I were a Republican House incumbent right now who's in if race I would be released a prize that the president who his his base really listens to. Oh, yeah. Is basically saying it may not happen. They like a weird. I mean, he be surprised anymore. Doors over the next three days too. Many people are listening to that particular comment. Well, we'll in the next twenty four hours. I think he just you are out there knocking on doors at somewhat demoralizing. I agree with the Senator though, it's not going to have a huge impact. You don't want any because in the next thirty minutes. You could come back here. He could have said something exactly could guaranteed him. But that we'd never have read way down. Wasn't that we have to wait this coming. He would never. All right, everyone. Stick around one city with just one polling place. It's been moved outside the city limits and a mile from the closest public transportation. How're Kansan supposed to vote them? Stay with us. Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got Sam amick of the s Lennick on Bleacher reports the full forty eight Lakers for me would be the panic side on the negative and then positive wise. I think Denver looking good as they do. You know is then tremendous fun to watch star. You wrote the definitive piece on him last season. And I love everything they have going for them. So check out the full forty eight now on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts and Spotify. In politics with just four days left until the mid term elections crucial. Rulings are coming down in two key states first victory for voting rights activists in Georgia federal judge their ruling that more than three thousand recently naturalized us citizens will get to vote after all the registrations had been put on hold by the Georgia secretary of state who also happens to be the Republican candidate for governor Brian Kemp, but in Kansas, there's a new obstacle that could theoretically stop thousands of citizens from casting their balance a federal judge just denied a request to open a new polling site in dodge City, Kansas. Why is that a big deal? Well, the polling place the only one in the city of twenty seven thousand people was moved to the outskirts of town more than a mile away from the closest bus. Stop. The ACLU argues that this move will hit the large Latino community the hardest since they are most likely to lack the flexible work schedules. That would let them travel so far to vote joining me now his CNN's cow. Law. She's been taking a close look at these ballot access issues for us in a new CNN special report. And can you talk to an expert who says moves like what we were seeing in Kansas? There calculated calculated as part of a tactic to get to a goal. And we're seeing this in Kansas these issues coming up in Georgia. We spoke to democrat Jason Kendra to be very clear. He is a politician. He has run for office. But he also runs a nonprofit called let America vote, and what he and other voting organizations groups across the country say that they are seeing this from state to state is that there is a playbook. It has been executed, and it is growing. It became really clear to me that the voter suppression strategy. I'd seen the Republicans run at the state level in Missouri. When I was secretary state, the that was about to be run on a national level and the way that looks basically those step one is they undermine faith in American democracy. I'm afraid the election's going to be rigged. I have to be on the step to create obstacles devoting, strong support of voter ID laws and then step three they create obstacles to those obstacles that voting like really early. And we have to discuss that early thing. That's I argue it is the number one strategy of the Trump reelection campaign. How can you be? So sure it's a strategy had point of your Republican elected officials speak with me, privately and tell me that they're disgusted by what they hear in there in the Republican caucus meetings. Absolutely as a political strategy, and they secretly tell me that they really appreciate what I'm doing making it harder to vote that isn't un-american thing to do. There is a campaign against a microscope. Going on in this country right now, and the Republican party has just embraced it. That time has come for voter. I d like everything. All of this comes down to Jake about power that the political party in power tries to maintain that put up all these obstacles separate the voters from democracy, which is in effect, the exact opposite of democracy. Jake Chung ho how far it is Jason kinder's theory about voter suppression. Go few follow his entire trail. 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Roundup: Medicare for All, Democrats' divides and drug pricing investigations

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35:06 min | 1 year ago

Roundup: Medicare for All, Democrats' divides and drug pricing investigations

"So this is not new every year that what we're talking about. Actually is ability that when you have a Medicare roll it is there now. I'm Dan diamond this pulse, Jack. And that was Senator Bernie Sanders. A much watched townhall on Fox News this week defending his Medicare for all proposal and arguing that it would be more stable than our current employer insurance system. So what's actually in the senators plan, and how viable are his ideas with congress on recess in Washington a little distracted by the pending Mullah report. We're going to news roundup today, and my colleagues Adam Cancun in Alice maranda Alstine joined the podcast to discuss the latest on Medicare for all. Meanwhile, congress has been continuance investigation of high drug prices and after the break, sir overhaul breaks down recent hearings on insulin costs and what's coming next for both segments. Make sure to check the show notes for links to articles and reports. And now, here's our conversation about Medicare for all. I Adam Cancun are do it all healthcare reporter, welcome back. Hey, Dan, could be an Alice. Maranda Holstein are hill. Reporter welcome back to pulse. Check great to be here. Senator Bernie Sanders last week introduced his Medicare for all Bill, and it feels like after months of under cards were finally getting to the main event over coverage expansion arguably the leading candidate in the democratic field is pushing Medicare for all as may policy objective. Adam you wrote about the Bill when Sanders released it, what's the big picture? Takeaway what I think the takeaway. And maybe the biggest picture takeaways just what you said is that we now have one of the leading democratic candidates for president in twenty twenty making as his kind of centerpiece issue a full restructuring of the healthcare system. So, you know, moving from what we've always had this kind of mix of private and public to now single payer healthcare. It's a really ambitious proposal as you might expect. And it's also something that you know, just three or four years ago would have. Inconceivable as far as, you know, being a mainstream democratic idea in the spectrum of ideas that have been proposed by democratic candidates to restructure healthcare to expand coverage is this furthest in terms of ambition. And and progressive ideas, I mean, easily, especially if you're gonna take Healthcare's just that Rome this easily. I mean, this is something that before Sanders. Ran in two thousand sixteen was one of those things that was kind of on the fringe, and he not only kind of successfully shepherd this into the mainstream. But now you have over one hundred co sponsors in the house on Medicare for all and more more saying that they support the goal of it if not moving to it immediately. And also in the Senate, you have Bernie Sanders, but you also have other presidential candidates for twenty twenty on democratic side who've said, you know, I support some some form of this some form of of getting Medicare for all in long-term here. One of the criticisms of Bernie Sanders, ideas relearned, but also with healthcare is that they're not feasible than they won't pay for themselves. Or that they're not taking into account the real world consequences of restructuring healthcare, a pay cut to hospitals and doctors does the new effort account for this or are the trade offs baked in it doesn't as much as I think a lot of skeptics, and people would kind of hope that it would grapple with there is, you know, the one big question right is always. Well, what's it gonna cost? How do you pay for it that kind of thing, and you know, to their credit the Sanders campaign? It's put out a list of possible financing options now is kind of hard to have this out there without any sense of how much overall it's gonna cost, you know, there's been some anal- analyses that say thirty trillion thirty two trillion over over ten years, which is quite a lot. But some of the some of the options that they've had is look, you know, you could put a wealth tax on people who make over certain amount, you could force everybody to pay some kind of premium if you make I think that the current proposal they have in their four family of four anybody who makes over twenty nine thousand dollars would. Have to pay a four percent, you know beyond are under income to kind of support and help pay for this. There are the possibility of taxing employers one of the main trade offs. Here's if you get rid of employer. Sponsored insurance, you know, longer have employers who have to kind of bear some of the cost therefore you figure. Okay, they can pay a little bit into the system. So that they don't have to worry about figuring out their own healthcare. So there are things that have been grappled with kind of on high level. But there's no there hasn't been any kind of real, you know, thorough analysis and explanation of of how you transition and to be fair that's not getting into the weeds is not something that you're going to usually see a presidential candidate in general, dude, especially at this point on the campus specially with more than a year ago before we even know who the nominee is it benefits Sanders to keep things high level as point and a lot of his critics are going to say, we need a lot more detail that kind of thing, but you're not going to much more detail. In other policy areas from other candidates, and I think that we can't just say this is because he's running for president because we see some of the same missing pieces from the house Bill as well. And the main author of that is not running for president at the moment. Yeah. So it'd be wonder true. It's also true that the house Bill does not have a cost estimate or pay for. Although they also have some sort of vague list of suggestions. And I and I would say that something true of both bills is that they also are do not fully grapple with the job losses. That would come from transitioning to a all government run health system and largely eliminating save for a few remaining pieces the private insurance market, and I will I will point out one area where there does seem to be some thinking through is, you know, from the Sanders campaign is how do you actually get this past one of the main? Obstacles has been unique to get sixty votes in the Senate to pass any kind of major legislation to make all of us. Ideally, yeah. To make filibuster-proof, which if you look at kind of the democratic Democrats in the Senate map is is extremely difficult to do much less. Get all sixty on board with with single payer healthcare. So what the Sanders team came out with after? They wrote the Bill was essentially a statement that said, you know, if it came to it, they would affectively blow up the filibuster in order to get Medicare for all past. It's a little complicated. How you do it? But Sanders said basically, you know, the rules of the Senate are not going to stand in the way of pushing through on this major priority. But that obscures the fact that even if they do that they would still need to get more than fifty votes. And that is a very open question because a lot of the democratic senators currently in office, and that could theoretically win and some of these battleground states are it's not necessarily single payer Medicare for all supporters in. Some of them are very openly skeptical Senator Joe Donnelly, the India democrat who lost last year play some of the blame rightly or wrongly on Medicare for all those ideas. Sinking him in a state like Indiana Alice, we've been talking about the Sanders Bill you mentioned the housebuilder number of different ideas floating around, but I want to drill in on this legislation. The idea of Medicare for all specifically and some of the surprises hidden within be sweeping ideas. You join Kenan our boss wrote about the hidden parts of the legislation listeners can find the link in the show notes. What is one of the biggest surprises that you uncovered? Well, it just when you actually dig through and read the entire Bill, which we did you find that it it just does so much more than cover everyone. That's the top line. That's what everyone pays attention to. But it involves every aspect of the healthcare system and impact some of the biggest policy fights outside of healthcare that are going on right now. And so. Under the Bill abortion would be covered and the Hyde amendment which currently prohibits taxpayer. Funding of abortion would be would not count under the Medicare for all system also undocumented immigrants could get coverage. That was a huge fight in the lead up to McCain's passage. It's politically exclusively idea that government funding would go to covering undocumented immigrants at a time when all Americans have health insurance, right, although they would t- radically under this plan, and then there's sort of a vague prohibition on medical tourism. So people couldn't come travel to the US just to get free healthcare. But how that would be enforced is up in the air. But there's just so many things that would change how doctors get paid. It would change. What alternative it would expand the number of alternative and experimental treatments that could be covered for free. Just the most sweeping provisions one of one of the interesting. So you enjoy uncovered was the idea of nurse to patient ratios. In the house version of the Bill that was really interesting to me because nurses have supported Medicare for all. But as you both have gotten to the transformation in the healthcare system. Could negatively impact a lot of nurses, who get paid by hospitals. I would see their pay cut in Medicare for all Bill. So the idea that nurses, would essentially get limits on how many patients they would have to see that something nurses unions have wanted for a long time. It seems like a potential give for their support it definitely. And it shows how much their influence has played out in crafting this Bill they've been huge supporters of single payer in general for years and were heavily involved in the writing of the house Bill, and so the only state in the country that has these nursing ratios, so far is California people who are opposed to say, it's one of the factors driving up high costs, nurses, say it keeps patients safe because you don't have a single nurse taking care of. People at once in my previous life as a hospital researcher. I remember just how much of a debate. This was in that sector the New York Times on Tuesday had a front page article on the fractions inside the democrat movement with Medicare for all playing a key role in driving. These fights the article was titled, quote, the rematch Bernie Sanders versus Clinton loyalist and the loyalist in the headline was near attendant a longtime Clinton supporter who runs the center for American progress. Maybe the most important democratic think-tank, and which is pushing its own gradual coverage expansion full disclosure all three of us talked to people in the Sanders orbit at cap. Some of us have been blocked on Twitter by people at cap. Some of us may have worked at organizations were affiliated with cap. The articles co written by Ken Vogel. Former political reporter point point being we have conflicts, we have our own complex and talking about understanding that what what can we take away from a front page story on this issue is this a preview of? Next year and the democratic primary or is overblown media coverage Adam well, I think it's probably a combination of both. If you're just gonna take the policy aspect of it. This is absolutely one of the major questions that Democratic Party is grappling with you have the whole idea of Medicare for all. On on the far left here. But if you buy just kind of looking at that, you're nearing a large faction of the party and not as the part, the part of the party that says, you know, I'm not really sure if I'm on board with single payer healthcare yet, it seems like there's a lot of way to go here. And so if you look at the cat plan, which is now been turned into Medicare for America, which is backed by Rosa DeLores, one of the main co-sponsors in house that is in its own, right? Extremely ambitious plan essentially, it's a sliding scale toward a single payer healthcare. But the main difference is that you know, it preserves a role, however, small for employees for private insurance. Yeah. For employer sponsored insurance and it tries to achieve universal healthcare in a way. That's maybe less disruptive than the Sanders plan and that right? There is just one of several other ones that are kind of out there at this point. So just taking policy aspect. It's extremely fractionals ING at this point. Now, there's broader implications here that go back to twenty sixteen and re-litigating the election and Hillary, and Bernie, and you know, those are under that, frankly, it's amazing to me, you know, the Democratic Party still wants to go back and revisit, but those are wounds that somewhat argue they don't want to go back and revisit in the media just keeps pushing it front and center, you know, it's it's there for reason. I think I think people reporting on it for reason. And even if it's not always fun senators, clearly some undercurrents there. I mean, I think in a sense the headline the rematch is apt because even even aside from all of the sore feelings around Bernie and Hillary that are obviously still festering. I think that the underlying question of do Democrats win with bold progressive policies or do Democrats win with sort of safer coalition, building consensus, and the fact that the Medicare for America proposal, which like you said is very. Progressive and very sweeping. And you know goes a lot further than the Affordable Care Act. The fact that that's seen as the establishment safe. You know plan is shows how far we've moved on healthcare and just a few years. But I think the underlying question I mean, it's what we're seeing also play out in the house and the fights between leadership and the progressive freshman. It's d- win by firing up the base. And you know, the base is supportive of Medicare for all or do win by building bridges across party lines in Italy, do win elections do make legislation happen by shifting Overton window. If you're starting offer something extremely bishops than maybe you end up with Medicare for America. If you start with Medicare for America do end up with even less, and I think that's right. That's one thing that the rest or do you start with Medicare for all raise people's expectations up to completely unrealistic level? And then they're very disappointed when the party can't liver, even if Democrats control the White House on the. Because Republicans are able to take potshots and say this is too too far from where we wanna go. Why even start? Yeah. I mean when one of the big takeaways at least on progressive wing from the past several years and even going back into the Obama administration is this idea of of not negotiating against yourself. So putting something out there saying this is what we wanna do. And we're not going to negotiate against ourselves until you know, until we absolutely have to. And there's you know, we're seeing it especially in the house now, but even with some of these and presidential platforms, this idea that this question of do you put out something that's seen as pragmatic that may be able to to to to win a broad coalition the way that Obama hoped, but never really kind of got to be able to do during his term or do you say, look, this is the ideal and we don't care who's with us. We're gonna find a way to jam it through in much the same way that, you know, the Trump administration came in and was was kind of hell bent on carrying out their gender. No matter the roadblock. Now, you can probably make arguments against both neither really succeeded one hundred percent, but that's one of the major questions that that you kind of see Democrats in in particular progressives and progressive left kind of grappling with and I think it's important to remember that the folks who are pushing policies like Medicare for America. They don't think of it settling for less. They think of it as the superior policy that makes the most sense, and they think if you give people the option to buy into this cheaper, you know, theoretically better public plan than they'll do it voluntarily and it'll cause less chaos in the healthcare system than a mandatory plan implemented in just a few years. I just want to go back to the media coverage for a moment because I think we're going to be living with us for as long as the democratic primary continues and some of the reaction to the New York Times story into these fights was was instructive to me, Paul Krugman. The New York Times columnist called the coverage of the Sanders center for American progress. Fight quote, extremely weird Senator Brian Schatz. The white democrat suggested at the time was focusing on quote, irrelevant Twitter, spats and people you've scarcely heard of I personally find those arguments ridiculous near at hand in the head of cap was likely going to be the Jessica -tary of Hillary Clinton one or she was going to be on the shortlist. Cap is extremely powerful. And the same articles about Republicans about Paul Ryan and John bainer trying to calm the fractious Republican caucus. We we lived with those and read those articles and some of us route those articles for years because they mattered bees. These distinctions matter the article has been attacked though, because New York Times called near attendance, seventy eight year old immigrant, mom and included that in the story, and there's some suggestion that maybe she didn't know she was going to be quoted in the story. Yes, or no. Is that a good journalistic practice? I would say we don't have enough information to assess the ethics of calling the mother because you know, we don't know how media savvy she was we don't know how the reporter Representative. Self in that phone, call or solve herself. That's true. It was co written by I think it was the female reporter recall. Right. So I I know that sort of a cop out answer. But that is what I believe. I mean, it's it's coming. But I will say what what it did was it obscured. The broader points that were made in the story. And I mean, I don't want to be too much into criticism. But we saw this with the coverage of of EMMY closure and the time story there. There's a tendency to find these these nuggets these anecdotes and overplay them so much and referring about referring back to you know, you have this. Great bombshell. Emmy club story about how she treats staff and parental leave. And he's kind of things and you start with a some annexed about eating held with the comb, which looked all that people. Remember entertaining. But now, it's all the people remember, and and what this does is essentially paper over these real fractions in this real nervousness from Democrats about appearing fraction and not. Unified. And now, you kind of give Democrats whether it's Brian shots or or Paul Krugman. The ability to say, this is a ridiculous story. Look at what they did ignore the whole rest of right because what's not ridiculous is looking at these powerful think-tanks that aren't producing policy that is being pushed in congress and on the campaign trail and looking at where they're funding comes from and who they're talking to and those type practices that's perfectly fair game for boarding, and I completely agree with what Alyssa that. We don't have enough information. I have had this experience. I'm sure you to have as well where the person you interviewed than says, oh, you took those things out of context, you made up quotes, even when you have a recording that proves the person, otherwise the idea of remorse after speaking to reporters, not unheard of. But I think Adam is also correct that we we've been a message to all of us ever articles that have been blown up by some critics who were able to find the chink in the armor, essentially, and as reporters, we always have to think how can we make the stories? Bulletproof is possible. Even if that means dropping the juiciest anecdote that we found which is just just an interesting peak insider curtain, maybe one or two more Medicare for all questions. We talked a little bit about the reaction overall to Medicare for all. But but how is the industry or Republican movement responded in the past week since Bernie Sanders plan was unveiled well Republicans want to talk about Medicare for all more than anything because they do not have a healthcare plan and Donald Trump briefly ordered them to come up with one then walked back and said, maybe after the election, and so there's been a ping pong of five different positions. Where exactly and so they don't want the focus on the fact that they don't have a healthcare plan. They want the focus on the fact that Medicare for all is scary to a portion of the electorate, and they wanna drum that up as much as possible. So I think that you see it in the house with a Republican ranking members of different committees calling for hearings in a sort of truly way and. And I think you're just gonna see a lot of focus on that. You see it in McConnell's floor speeches and the Senate. So this is their favorite topic on the industry side. I mean, I think the they would probably give you the same line. Now. Look, there's a reality that Medicare for all the fact that we're even it's even in the conversation scares the crap out of anybody in the industry. I mean, you look at stock prices of insurance the last couple of weeks, you look at just the amount of of money and firepower that's kind of being amassed to go after Medicare for all that tells you kind of how they're thinking about you mentioned the stock prices United health the nation's leading health insurer. It stock fell about ten percent. Twenty five billion dollars market cap in the week after Bernie Sanders plan was released, and we're talking about a plan that only has a shot at all of passing into reality in a year and a half if a single candidate gets elected if things fall, you know, dominos fall certain way over the next several years. I mean, that's that's. You can you can kind of see the nervous there on the other hand what Medicare for all has kind of allowed. These industries do especially on the hospital side. And among the insurers is say is focused all the attention on Medicare for say, why would you want to disrupt this current system? It does not really force them to take as hard a position on some of these more moderate plans, and really kind of expose the reality that they're going to be against basically any planet that expands gover government coverage. Whether it's being able to buy into Medicare at fifty years old or a public option or something that's a little bit more incremental hospitals. Insurers are largely against these other plans to because it means restructuring of the business model to certain extent, but by focusing on Medicare for all by having this be the frontline issue. It allows them to really kind of create a stark contrast, executive director of partnership for America's healthcare future. Lauren crawford. Schaefer was on this podcast a few weeks ago and said. As much when her very nice way that they could not get behind any any of these ideas. They wanted to shore. These are their candidates in the democratic field who have really struggled to master their messaging around Medicare for all. I mean, I think that it's difficult for a lot of them to convey that they are signed onto multiple plans. I think they are keeping their options open. They're seeing where the political winds are blowing. And the members of the Senate who are running for president almost all of them, including Bernie Sanders signed onto multiple healthcare expansion plans, but that is sort of a more complicated thing to communicate on the campaign trail, and I think Bernie's message is very simple ineffective, and he's been pounding it for so many years. Whereas, for instance, Kamla Harris had a bit of trouble when she came out and said yeah, Medicare for all would largely abolish the private insurance. Industry, and that's great because you know, they people have a hard time under that system. So, you know, let's do it. And after there was blowback there was clarification from her campaign that while she is co sponsor of Medicare for all she is also a sponsor of these plans that would preserve the private insurance industry. I think the idea of being able to say you're for universal coverage, which is essentially what every democrat universe. Doesn't mean. Anything it doesn't mean anything? But what do you mean, it doesn't mean anything? But it's it's it works. So well that it's kind of insulated a lot of these candidates from having to take specific position that said that's to me at least it's only going to work for so long into the campaign at which at some point you need to put out more specific policy. I mean, you look at you mentioned comma, Harris, we haven't heard much from her on healthcare on a specific healthcare idea since that CNN townhall where she had to kind of walk back her endorsement of Medicare for all Elizabeth Warren for all the attention. She's gotten for putting out specific policy prescriptions. We don't know exactly where she is on healthcare outside of saying she supports the goal of Medicare for all. Now, there's a number of events that are coming up. There's a whole set of CNN town halls in the next couple of weeks or so which I think they'll probably be pressed a little bit harder on this. But these are candidate interviews exactly exactly cross. But, but but these are open invitation raining these these are. Questions that you know, that are are completely unresolved NAT are going to have to be answered in some way over the next several months. Yeah, I just you know, it's been driving me. Crazy. That candidates have been saying, oh, I'm for universal coverage, and then stopping there and not clarifying because that could mean anything I mean that could mean all private insurance, and you are able to purchase it it. Could mean, you know, a public option could meet and Medicare for all. So I think that maybe as we get later into the campaign people won't be able to get away with just saying that we will look for that clarity. We'll find some of that clarity in your coverage Medicare for all Alice. Adam thank you for joining pulse. Check into the pharmaceutical companies had three hundred twenty three billion dollars in profits. Last year, the PBMR's had twenty three billion dollars in profits last year. And so it's everybody's making a profit and the people who are really. Suffering. Here are the people who either have to pay list price, or even after their deductible have to pay an unacceptable price, and nobody here in this room. Once that that was congresswoman Diana to get who charity hearing last week on the rising cost of insulin one of several hearings that congress has held on drug prices recently joining me to discuss those hearings is Sarah overall, one of our reporters. Welcome back to pulse. Check, sarah. I could back you're at those hearings. I was not I was I was out of the office. So I'm looking to you to catch me and listeners up did congress actually unearth anything new important in its new scrutiny on drugmakers while you miss a lot of fiery back and forth. But in terms of unearthing new information, it's really hard to do that at this point has been a rain of drug pricing hearings. There's going to be many more. I think what was significant about last week is that they were the first ones. On both the house and Senate side to bring in pharmacy benefit managers. The Senate finance committee brought in the five largest of those middlemen that negotiators between drug makers and insurance plans, and then house ENC's oversight subcommittee bought in three of the biggest ones to to talk insulin and set about next to drugmakers that make those products to put some names around there's for rec- benefit managers or repeal those companies like Express Scripts which is now been acquired by. Yeah. CVS is acquiring another one Aetna. So that's another thing. That's going on right now. Optima United Healthcare. Right. Yes. So those are the three really big ones. And the argument is that they control something like seventy percent of the market. They have a huge amount of power. And like you just pointed out two of the last ones in that major market have merged with insurance companies. And so there's really a lot of questions right now. There's even a district court judge that is holding up the CBS merger from finalizing. There's a lot of scrutiny around them right now. But it's really hard to explain their role in the system, which is why last week was significant in the questions are around whether these are benefiting patients or whether the market power is benefiting the companies, right? So drugmakers have constantly pointed at PM's when talking about high drug prices and said, we the prices are high because these PPM's demand huge rebates from us that that drive those prices up sometimes forty fifty percent on drugs. And so those aren't the true costs of the drugs and PM's in drug generously. Yak and say helping keep the drugmakers costs down. And so the the ENC hearing was significant because it pitted. Three of the big ones on both sides against each other. And so there were definitely some fiery soundbites there, but it really is hard to get to the bottom of this without knowing how we are paid who's keeping which parts of them, and how much is being passed down to the average customer, and it's really hard to get that information, sir. I'm really curious about the effort to target pharmacy benefit managers PM's and make them the bad guys in this system secretary alexy's or has never shied away from an opportunity. He's a former former executive to say high prices are being driven in large part by these PM's. How is that effort going? Yeah. That has been one of the most visible sort of reforms that HHS has suggested as to severely limit. What PM's do in the negotiating process through eliminating rebates, which are way that PBS basically, take a cut. Of the drugs list price, so say influence, the perfect example say insulin is three hundred dollars, which it is. And drugmakers say that they will sometimes give seventy percent of that back to a PM as a rebate so that it's the net price is actually maybe only seventy dollars to an insured consumer. And that's an important distinction. Someone who's uninsured or paying out of pocket is not getting any of that benefit still three hundred dollar box of insulin for them. But so why do we need the PBS in the first place? Why do we need the middleman why can't be drugmaker to sell it directly to the patient? Right. So the PB M's would tell you that what they do is significantly drive down that cost and they play a really important role in negotiating for insurance plans. They argue that that seventy percent rebate or forty percent, or whatever it is on different drugs is handed to insurance plans. So that they can keep premiums low for all of their consumers, what HHS secretary as I want to do is turn that. Rebate into a discount that's given directly to consumers that they can actually that benefit individually, but that's not been without controversy. How far along is that effort would just wants to do to transform this industry? So in perfect timing with the hearings the comment deadline for that was last Monday twenty five thousand comments poured in which is the most I've ever seen on a role. I would say that I've I've looked at Justice before that have gotten more comments in that twenty thousand comments on a rule is significant enough because folks industry are trying to sway the outcome of to do. It has very big implications. And so Democrats have argued that this does nothing to touch drugmakers that if you eliminate rebates from the system, you take away this negotiating power that PM's have. But you don't actually do anything to make drugmakers lower their own costs. And so there's a bit of a standoff happening right now where they are trying to seek assurances from pharmaceutical companies that they will lower prices if. This rule is finalized. And from companies are saying, well, let's see finalized not making any real specific commitments to it right now, how is congress and also the administration using their power of the bully pulpit to shame companies has that happened at all definitely. And I think that's what's been really interesting because even while HHS is putting for this rule that would significantly curb some of the abilities that PB have a lot of the rhetoric has actually been around pharmaceutical companies they are much bigger part of the chain. They make a lot more money on this. They've put a lot more money towards trying to change the narrative, but they're also easier for people to understand, they're the ones that set the prices, they are, you know, quote, big pharma a time that gets thrown around a lot even by the president. And it's really hard for law lawmakers to explain PM's to voters. So imagine, you know, if this rebate rule does go through and congress does pass a law that would extend it to the commercial market. How does someone go back home to? District and explain what they did. And how that's going to affect people. It's a lot harder than saying. We told big farm to lower their prices. And that's one reason why the middlemen term has been so adopted because no one likes the idea of middleman standing between me and my my healthcare. Exactly. Is there? Anything else you're watching next. Yes. So Senate finance chair Grassley and making member widen asked the PM's to come back to them with answers on how they have done some of the more controversial things like a spread pricing where they will charge a plan one price for a drug and then reimburse a pharmacy significantly less. I know that sounds wonky. But it's really significant thing that has led states who found out that they've been overcharged for drugs to cancel contracts, Medicaid contracts, or just completely carved PBS out of the programs entirely, West Virginia. Did that recently California's looking at that and significantly? California that was introduced by Republican. And I think one of the most interesting aspects of the drug pricing scrutiny by congress as we are in a year where there might actually be some movement. It's thought that in twenty twenty election year, congress probably won't do much, but maybe this year, there will be some coming together around drug pricing issue, and could that be this anger towards PBS? Gms. Well, I think you know, they are moving forward on a few smaller bills target generic competition, but represented to get the other day did signal that she'd be willing to go along with the Trump administration plan on rebate rules as long as there were bigger broader reforms that did focus on from suitable companies. Should we possible compromise between House Democrats and the Trump administration? The we should save is being recorded premolar report, which could could shake up the dynamic between the two parts of our government will sir overall. Thank you for the update them. We'll have you back soon. Thank you. That's it for pulse. Check this week. My thanks to Adam Alison, Sarah as well. As producers Jenny Menton any Reese for making the show possible. 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Securing Our Security: Sen. Mike Braun

The Takeout

40:34 min | 2 years ago

Securing Our Security: Sen. Mike Braun

"This is the takeout. Not what your country can do for you with major Garrett, mister, Gorbachev tear down this wall. Is the change has come through America. And we will make America great again Wilkins, the very best part of my broadcast week. I major Garrett chief Washington correspondent CBS news host and creator, this amazing program notice to take out we thank each and every one of you for finding it bringing into your life, either through his podcast CBS n or more than forty radio stations across our great country, as you know, take out his always always always built around meal. Why because the conversation is just more natural around a meal, and where are we dining today? Well, it's a place. You might have heard of it's called McDonald's. Okay. Yes. Right near the White House. New York avenue thirteenth street. I look out the window to the east. I can see the treasury building. And I know just on the other side of that is the White House who is our guest. Well, he in part suggested this location for the takeout brand new Senator newly minted from the state of Indiana's name is Mike. Mike braun? He's got a fascinating back story getting into politics very late in life after a very successful career in business. We'll talk about that talk about the shutdown lots of other issues, but I Senator and welcome to Washington you're here in your second week as the United States. Senator welcome to the take-up podcast microphones a good to be here. And that place I spent a lot of time feeding myself on the campaign trail, so that's why we're here you want some street cred about your normal nece as a an American from Indiana. Mcdonald's right. Exactly. Okay. Are you when you're not busy McDonald consumer? I am okay. And I found a couple of places here in town. My new place just east of where I live is going to be Jimmy tease along with McDonnell. There you go. I like the local down Kaci on Jimmy tease. We take the takeout. They're in the not too distant future. Wait a minute Kat Janas not down with Jimmy teas we're gonna have to investigate that further. Slummy go through your biography of it Senator be a and economics. Wabash college worse. Wabash calm while mashes in Crawford's Ville, Indiana, Canada center, the state, you grew up in Jasper worse. Jasper Jasper Indies down in the southwestern part of our state. So what was good about Wabash for you? Well, while mash is one of I think, the two all male schools left. So I actually went there as a biology major for my classmates, and I wanted to become doctors someday, and I shifted to political science in my sophomore year and got an econ degree the other four doctor. So after that was headed to Vanderbilt on JD MBA that was a four year deal, and I was too anxious to get into the real world. So I do an application in the business school out east. We were there for two years out east to wanna be able to more specific than. Sometimes I had to defend that when backed Indiana, but I went to Harvard Business School Harvard ladies. So it was unusual. It makes you an elitist. You know that now not necessarily you got to hear the rest of the story ahead. My background and interest was finance, and you would have ended up probably on Wall Street, and I've kind of seen some careers go. They're not end up. So well, but I chose in my wife did move back to our hometown. And greatest decision we ever made our forty year reunion. We had to put a little clip in there in terms of you know, was it important to us. Of course, it was. It was great deliver way to see something else. And I said, the smartest decision we ever made was to move back. Their hometown was hired by a local kitchen cabinet company to work there and maybe rise through management over time. And to ANSI wanted to do my own thing. My Dan a ownership and a little company that was kind of floundering, and he said, hey, this would be a great opportunity go there seeking turn it around nineteen Eighty-one that was the year the farm crisis that was. Severe for farmers as the commercial real estate and auto crisis would have been in two thousand eight so had business was circling the drain almost as soon as I got there at the start buying and selling us trucks and a quick moment to keep the doors open. I started dabbling with what I do. Now. Fifteen employees for seventeen years new. I had a tiger. By the tail grew the company from in ninety eight to two thousand eight from fifteen employs three hundred at about ten locations through the midwest twenty-seven years in my hometown, I'm selling auto and truck accessories that aren't needed all my assets commercial real estate. I'd said, wow. You never know where life's gonna lead you. We lived alive. One of the reasons I'm coming here to DC being opportunistic reaching after business, but always living within our means with a low overhead industry shrunk by fifty percent. The phone starts ringing off the hook. Because. So many people are out of business. I had a decision do I really push to grow the business or sit back. Take advantage of what looked like it was going to be favorable competitive scene. We grew from ten locations in about ten states now sixty five and thirty nine states increased about five times in size. And now have about a thousand employees live the American dream three and my four kids work in the business with a good young executive team in their thirties. And and the business does what what do you sell? We distribute auto and truck accessories are V, parts and accessories. Coolers, knocked down shed stuff that's big and bulky things at other places don't wanna mess with God it, so why give all that up to become a beltway insider because now you're an incumbent your Senator. Now, you're part of the swamp whether whether you like it or not when you run for reelection as I presume, you will someone's going to say that about you. Well, I get. Asked all the time, especially when I declared back in August of seventeen along with do you need to have your head examined? And I said, well, we'll see when I saw what a task. It was going to be the come from the outside to try to get name recognition to finance a campaign. It was daunting the first public opinion poll in September. And I had two percent. And it was a fifteen months slog of fourteen eighteen hour days six days a week. And when I look at that, it's hard to know how you got yourself up to do it each day. Yeah. What was that? Is that ego is that some sort of burning need that shoes recently discovered so late in life? It was a fresh people of the political bug early in life, and they rush through it for their whole life. There's something wrong with that to show lots of guests like, and that is what you'd call more of a career politician when you start early and build a career through it. I signed a term limits pledge. So I'll be here. No more than two terms. There's a Bill out there. Now that I'm going to be a co-sponsor up, and I'll just be out front. I think if you had term limits take the money out of it more people would take an earlier entering into it without having to build a career to get there. And I think we'd get a little better individual coming DC. We got a lot of smart people here with high aptitude that have done very little in making payrolls making a budget running things. And you know, I think the president ran on that, of course, is taken a lot of heat, you know, because he doesn't have the experience of government. I think that's largely a false argument. I think he's done a pretty good job on the agenda that he ran on in general, though, I think if you had fewer career politicians you'd have less of what troubles DC currently. I wanna read something that was in the Indianapolis star written by Tim swan Ren's. Mike Braun is proven. He's a pro at defying expectations before this year. Braun who had never run for office higher than the Indiana general assembly was largely unknown among voters outside of his hometown of Jasper yet when pitted against two incumbent US house members in the Republican Senate primary may won handily on Tuesday. He did it again. This is written after election day, the mild mannered businessman from small town, Indiana in defeating incumbent Senator Joe Donnelly pulled out a high profile victory with enormous national implications, you defeated not one not two three incumbent as a political outsider is that because Indiana crave something that its own elected officials can't provide. Well, I don't know that I think there's maybe a little bit of that. But for me personally being an underdog and building business, and when I sized up the market the political market, and when I had seen what had just occurred in two thousand sixteen on the largest stage. I said, hey, if I'm going to do it. There's a lane. There's a lane. And when I mentioned earlier two percent could be discouraging. I knew I had a good plan. I just had to execute it. Well, and I think the part that was hard to understand is once you get through the primary in your into the main event, and I mentioned it in my acceptance speech, it is so nasty in it gets so dirty. I became a heartless business owner at a never heard an ill word about my business until I ran for Senate. That's the turn off for many people. Why they would never do it. I wish it wasn't like that it currently is part of the process. That's the voice of Bron brand new Senator from state of Indiana, major Garrett. This is the takeout were at McDonald's downtown Washington DC back injustice. You're listening to the takeout from CBS News Radio. Welcome back Garrett way. Mcdonald's in downtown Washington. Dc end I wanna make it clear. How're in this McDonald at the local local, family owned and operated? Mcdonald's by Carlos Matteo Carlos has just to my left. I'm gonna wave to mobile their house. Thank you for your hospitality. Mcdonald's run. And a franchise way. That's who are franchisee is Carlos. Thank you for inviting us in and I met Carlos earlier in. It was a similar entrepreneurial story. His dad's started the whole process in ninety nine belted up twenty one locations in Carlos joined about six years ago. Great story three my four kids working my business. Exactly, you mentioned that before we move onto news the day and all that other stuff. I want also mentioned something there is part of your life. That reads you've described a good portion of it the American dream. But there's also this thing that is kind of an American dream concept from the fifties, not as topical or contemporary. Maybe today. But you married your high school sweetheart, I did read. Yep. Still married still married. Yeah. And a lot of a lot of folks might interstate. Wow. I I'm really glad I didn't marry my high school girlfriend or boyfriend, you know, explain on its how that works. Well, we went to grade school in high school together. She went to you. I went to wall bash. They were about sixty miles apart made it through that and got married right after we both graduated made that decision to move back our hometown. And it just as worked out. She's the real entrepreneur, we are firs the real risk taker. Well, listen to this the first thing we did was against the rules of real estate. We bought a building downtown when we really shouldn't have fixed it up. She's been there forty years as her only job in the entrepreneur that started before I did. So there you go way to go Maureen essay. All right. So as you know. Senator Washington the nation at least partially partial is a big word the days partial government shutdown. How is this going to end? Well, I think it's really crystallizing what is wrong with DC. And maybe it's just that we've evolved to this point on any of the critical issues, and I'm gonna site. You know, we did criminal Justice reform, you do other things, but when it comes to border security when it comes to the cost of healthcare when it comes to taxes, we have really become polarized where they're so little center ground in one of my key goals is to of course, I'm co authoring a bail. Maybe we'll talk about okay with Senator Manchin. I think there's room that we can get together on these key issues here. I look at the fact that you know, we got a shutdown and that's being extended because of the border security issue. And most of what President Trump is wanting to do on the border would have been blueprint. For what most Democrats were interested in doing as recently as a few years ago, but everybody on each side think angles everything so politically that even if you do have a common interest. You don't wanna get there? We've got to find a way around and to Democrats if they were sitting here would say, yes, we hear you Senator Braun all of that is valid, but there was a midterm election. You were elected the Senate game to Republicans the house gained forty Democrats in those Democrats heard and saw a popular vote majority. As large as any time since nineteen seventy four a sweeping victory for House Democrats who put a lot of these questions before the public and the public rendered a verdict, and they would say, it's our responsibility. Having just come from that election to fight for our principles, which is no wall are no funding and the presence got back down. No doubt about that. And that's no different than President Trump winning in sixteen or us, maybe adding a little bit to the Senate margin. It's cloudy or now, but the context is still. That we've got to find ways, and I'm gonna mention infrastructure the cost of healthcare. I took on the insurance companies ten years ago in my own business. And I think the blame for that issue which along with border security where the two biggest things in Indiana. We've got to find ways to address it Madda few democratic senators day of swearing in. And we talked about it briefly with a couple of them. And I think there would be common ground. So I believe that there's more there. We just have to reach hard fart. It gets politically spun so quickly by both sides that you never get a chance to get there. So full transparency with the show every time our audience knows that respects that admires that we're recording this on Tuesday. You'll hear it Friday and over the weekend. So Tuesday, you know, ory the country is expecting the president to give a nationally televised address from the Oval Office the first of his presidency that will already have happened by the time you hear this program. So we're going to deal with those realities as best we can. What do you think is the current thinking among Senate Republicans stick with this fight as long as it takes the president said months, maybe a year are your colleagues willing to lock arms for that long and live with this partial government shutdown and all the negative effects were seeing rippling across the country. Have not talked many. Specifically, we do know that a couple of come out thinking that we should get the government back. Investors and Collins from Maine, Cory Gardner. Yup. Colorado both up in twenty twenty right? They're feeling. The heat already. No doubt about it. And I'm sure there are some others that are thinking the same thing. I think generally though, within the caucus here going to have people adhering do needing serious movement made toward securing the boarder I come from an area where having a secure border is an important philosophical issue. But we also suffer from some of the dysfunction that's occurring with immigration in general. You know, we've got a lot of employers that need some type of process that's going to be in place that gives them predictability on filling jobs. Let's not happening to that to that point e verify is not working because the partial government shutdown, and that verifies system to document those who should be hired. Or are least are qualified to be on only because the government is shut down. But also in general, I think it needs to be a tool that anybody that hires people uses, but I think this is just the point in time where where we're going to see if there's any common ground, and I think in the in the defense of the president he is taking an issue that unless there's been an pefect on our sudden change of heart that many Democrats were not too far away from what he's wanting to do. Now when you put your presentation in your style, and how you articulate an issue. I think some people might have an argument with that. I, but here when it comes to the essence of what we're talking about. I don't know sixty two percent. I heard on poll of all Americans think border security is a big deal in the center of the country. It's going to be higher than that. We've got to find out a way to secure the board. Or and then address all the issues associated with not having it. So fuck about security, the TSA is experiencing a kind of sickout other longer lines for everyone traveling around this country. We know statistically from this administration. Not just the previous administration had much the same data that most the people we should be legitimately concerned about enter via airport traffic, not crossing the southern or northern border. So isn't the partial government shutdown at least as it affects TSA, isn't that increasing our, insecurity, even as we're talking about securing our secure, it seems illogical to me. I think if they're being hampered with resources, you it'd be hard with a straight face to say that it's going to be as good as what it was. And that there might be problems that come up, and I think that's where when you do something like this, you got to be prepared to bolster areas like that if you're wanting to carry on with your point of view import. But you know, Senator you're learning this as you get the lesson of. Senate in the process. You can't just do that. It's either appropriated or it's not. And if it's not there's not constitutional authority to spend that money, which you want the constitution to be followed. I'm sure that every member of congress, and I think that's going to be the focal point as we go forward to where it's going to get a lot more excruciating for each side to persist in a point of view that doesn't cure it. So I'm thinking that we've got weeks ago, not months for the reason you mentioned in that Shirley will come together give minimum border security to the president. And those of us believe it needs to be done. And we get the government back going and start talking about some of the other issue. Are you open to an amount that's less than five point seven billion for the steel wall? The president's now talking I think the president said he might be I personally think it's gonna take more than that over time. But right now, we got a spouse. So and I think that that is such a small figure. Compared to the twenty five billion that everybody was kind of in on agreeing here few years ago. I hear you. I think you're saying the White House is going to need to give Democrats are gonna need to get. I think if we're going to get this thing resolved because we're so far apart in where that ends up. I'm hoping we stick as close to the five point seven as we can that's voice of Senator Mike Bron, our guest here at McDonalds downtown Washington, DC foods arrived fewer watching on CBS. And you gotta clip art and far my outstanding producer. Thank you Arden back in a moment. From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Gareth. That's me. Yes. My mouth is half full why because we're McDonald lunchtime Tuesday Micron new Republican Senator from Indiana is our guest you look to this moment ago. Senator I want to give you a chance to talk about this because it's your first piece of legislation. I think that's always a kind of a big moment for any it is incoming legislator Republican democrat Hausler Senate. What's the first piece of legislation you put your name one? What is it? Tell me about it. It has called no budget. No pay. And what a great opportunity to weigh in in a way that reflects your principles of where you've come from. And I'm gonna be interested in, you know, I'm signed a term limits pledge when Iran, and there's a bail out there now that I think Ted Cruz at sponsored. And it's got a feature in there where the people that need to vote foreign actually our grandfather do some degree. And I thought that was the only way you'll ever get that down the trail. But thanks congressional pensions or things and. I'm concerned with that. Nobody else has and we still get them. So comes to this. I think it's simple in my own business in our state legislature on the school board. I was on. If you didn't live within your means, balance your budget. It just didn't work you generally had hard statute that kept you in place that is not part of the formula now. So I think when you have a year through regular order to get a budget put the place, if you don't do it, you shouldn't get a paycheck in the real world you'd be out of business number one you'd be fired by your board. And you'd be ashamed if you were the CEO of your own company that owns so it just doesn't work we've gotten used to the fact due to the fact that alternately in a figurative way, you are the printing presses. Well, we borrow money to cover. These now trillion. Deficits and. Up to this point you could get by with it. But we're at such a level on our federal balance sheet that we're going to start paying the real consequences for it. And then you get down to just the practical aspect of people, even if you think the government should be smaller. You've got a lot of families now that aren't getting paychecks. And that's a real issue, regardless of what your philosophy is about the size of government. Nothing runs that way anywhere else. I'm on the budget committee, right? And I'm really happy that Senator mansions office reach crap from West Virginia. Yes. And he's a to me of, you know, governor farmer governor, he knows how things need to run a state if you're going to be functional and great opportunity for us to all have some real consequences. If we don't get it done. So let me describe this for my audience because I like to try to explain how Washington either works or can be proposed to work better. Washington has two stages to the budget process of budget resolution, and then thirteen separate appropriations bills one of the reasons. A partial government shutdown now there's about six of those appropriations bills haven't been passed for this fiscal year. So if I write your legislation correctly, you gotta do both all thirteen appropriations bills house and Senate and the budget resolution by the end of the fiscal year, which is the end of the month in September. I wrecked. And if that doesn't happen you stop getting paid you stop getting paid. And does that also take allocations out of your future pension as well because you're not getting that paycheck? I mean, Yes, Anything that comes along with not getting paid. You should feel the consequences even far what's taken out of your your mind. That would incentivize lawmakers to do this basic of business. I think it'd be a lot better than not having it concentrate the mind a little bit you bet because I think with the supply of the executive branch are only congress congress for Scherer. And if we could do it beyond that, I would want it to be all inclusive. So it's mostly the problem is here within the congress. You know, that's where the responsibility lies and the President Trump Princess is ready. Foregone his pay when he ran on that principle, but I think that. It's a shame. You need to do something like this to get something done in regular order. But when you get to the stage of the game or at telling you in the long run, my background is not only in a micro sense of balancing budgets. We're gonna have issues with our currency interest rates are going to start your reflect the fact that we're borrowing all this money through government. So the consequence with the president's leadership on this the deaths increased by two trillion dollars in the two years. He's been president end budget deficits arising, they're not falling is he failing on that. He's been there. Two years. One of his priorities was to shore up the military. I'm one that had I been there. I probably would have gone counter. Then I don't think I would've voted for that for the fiscal reason. And because to get the increase in defense spending the president as he said the time had to agreed with thirteen percent increase in nondefense spending as well. And to me the larger issue of the two even though defense is very important to mate would have been some way to hammer that out with maybe strings attached that you had to find savings. Elsewhere would have had taken a different approach would have talked about it, whether it would've caught stride. I don't know. But I didn't like the idea that it did take us from. I think roughly five to six hundred billion up back to trillion. We can't keep doing that. I've got to trust that when the president said he wanted to find five percent savings throughout all our all our agencies. Here few months ago that that's true. So we start the long-term process of getting these deficits down but doubling back to this underlying debate. That's prolonging the partial government shutdown when aides to Senator Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi came to the White House this weekend and said, well, we have other things we define his border security. The response of the administration was we'll add all that spending plus the border wall, and they'll be no offsets that's more spending for a priority. But no offsets. Meaning you're adding that to the deficit is that from what I just heard you say a rational approach so here, let's look at proportionality. We know what the federal budget is it's over four trillion dollars. He's scratching and clawing for five point seven in the context that many Democrats wanted to do five times that much just a few years ago. You've got to always take that dynamic in the consideration. The only way we're going to ever fix. The budget is going to be to where we take government down across the board. I was asked that in the first debate. And they thought I dodged the answer. They asked me in the two congressman what would you cut out specifically, there's nothing that was mentioned there that would have added up to any amount. And I said the only way you do this is you gotta do it across the board. Some people think that's simplistic because you should be more analytical should prioritize. You should prioritize something's matter more than I've made the simple point. Who would? No, no, you wouldn't as a CEO if my task for the year was a head to find savings of one percent across the board. I would before I right after I left the room. I jump up in the air and kick my heels together that would be that easy. Most people would not know the difference whether they had one of a hundred lasts anyway. So that in the real world is not a big deal in state government, you'd find it here it sacrosanct and we've been. And that's from your point of view part of the problem part of the problem because until you have a system in place, and I know there's a Bill that an hit the floor that base only twenty two votes among the Republican caucus that was the penny plan that's one percent. And until in Democrats ought to be interested in something that they believe so much in the federal government. They ought to be interested that it's health is good in the long run. I'd love to see some of them maybe trade off fiscal integrity to where we'd lean in on. Maybe some of the issues that they think are more important. Maybe that's the grand bargain in long run. We don't get the house in order. It will end up in a calamity someday. You've made a reference to a couple of times I wanna make sure audience understands what you're talking about saying the past Makram willing to spend five times this amount. I think you're referring creek if I'm wrong to the secure fence act, which was voted on two thousand six two thousand seven George W Bush's presidency. He signed into law double reinforced. Seeing an authorization Bill to do that. As what you're referring to that. And some stuff of smaller magnitude more recently. But yes, and so here's a key thing to focus on ladies and gentlemen, in Washington, speak authorization is an intention appropriation is money. You have lots of intentions in Washington people authorized, lots of things and they beat their chest in glory about all the things they intend to do. But until Washington spends the money, it's not going to happen. So that was an authorization not an appropriation. Now, we're starting to get to the actual fight over the money, not the intention. So do you think that Democrats are being hypocritical when they voted for authorization of a double fence, not a wall a double fence? And now, they're not giving up the month. I do I use that word hypocrisy. I would say it's changing your tune with. No good reason to do. So. And I think that if you wanna stretch it to be. Hypocritical. You could do that. I believe regardless of the semantics if we don't get away from that on both our side and their side in terms of trying to fix real issues craft solutions, but I don't think any of that happens, you know, infrastructures important to me. And that's the thing you hear everybody. Why can't you agree on safe bridges and good roads? While the reason that would be tough is it's a capital intensive project. It's been an eighty twenty funding rule with the feds new eighty states doing twenty. We're broke on our balance sheet, and it would cost so much to do that or invest in things like shoring up social security or Medicare. We've got to get to where we're living day to day within our means. And then re prior prioritize more on that in a minute. I major Garrett. Mike Bronx Senator from Indiana, our guest, we're at McDonald's and nice. You're listening to the takeout. I major Garrett. Welcome back. Mike, Ron Republican Senator from Indiana. Brand new fertile second week in Washington, and he's already takeout podcast microphones. You must have a really good communications director. So I do got you right here. You know? So when you go back, I told Joni Ernst this is well because we keep asking Senate Republicans to come on the show, and they keep blowing us off. So just tell them what they're missing not only a meal, but a good conversation a great meal, and you know, when I ran back in Indiana. I like doing this. I think if you run for Senate, you ought to be out there talking about your ideas in friendly turf. And where you're gonna get challenged and to me that's important in. I did it running for Senate. And I think it made a difference. So when we left you were talking about the balance sheet and the embedded difficulties and the one of the difficulty senators, I'm sure, you know, in a general term longer you serve on the budget committee. You're gonna see these numbers. Really reveal themselves to you is that two thirds one third split in our country it which is a complete reversal of where the two thirds one third split was nearly sixties. What I mean by that in the early sixties, we spent two thirds of our federal budget on discretionary annual spending four things that the government did and one third on fixed. Entitlement costs the cost of either pensions or Medicare or Medicaid. Now. It's two thirds one third one third on the discretionary the things we do annually to keep the government running federal research. Nasa EPA, all sorts of other things and two-thirds on entitlements. The president is said, I'm not touching those as someone who wants to look at the balance sheet as a realist, you have to know, whether that's a political thing, you can say or not that's not sustainable. It's not sustainable, and I got ask along the trail to where would you disagree with the president? If in fact, he's going to stand firm on that in the business world, it's called fixed costs and. Variable costs discretionary spending in the automatic stuff. You never do. Well, when your fixed costs are high one of the ways I kept my business nimble over the years is to keep them as low as possible. So when you get into a downturn or choppy waters, you're not overburdened by that here. We've got a lot of people that now depend on the fixed cost part of our government. So it'll take some real convincing and discussion. Before you get into the word. I mentioned earlier calamity of some sort that just solves the problem in a way similar to two thousand eight that will occur. Eventually if you keep on this trajectory, and there's more risk of that happening solves possible in the worst way possible. And it's it's through, you know, in the real world that's called some form of bankruptcy. And sometimes you don't recover, you know, with a chapter eleven you're out of business that will never occur in general hair. But again, it goes back to why are we putting ourselves in this position in the first place intentionally intentionally because no one's forcing us to do these set earlier, we've got a lot of smart people here. But they've never had the rules to keep them on the straight narrow which is I think some of the things we need to change. And they've never had the real accountability of the things I've mentioned earlier of the crewless of the marketplace. He behaved like this or the kind of statutes and rules that are in place for most other governments around this country. Would you like the president to be more forceful on this topic and change his point of view on entitlements? I think that when it comes to that since it's such a high fixed cost, and for the sake of people coming into the system and doesn't have to be done by creating any pain among the people that are already retired. For instance, are nearing it. We just need to make realistic decisions adjustments. They're going to keep the system in place. If you like the concept for folks entering into it. It'd be different from what it is now, but you have to start addressing it if not we're sticking our head in the sand well Medicare, for instance, I think it's twenty twenty three now where you start going south there. It's into the thirty thirty somewhere on social security start toying with insolvency. But that's not sneaking up on us. We knew that actually, you know, a decade or so ago. And the dynamics in terms of who's our growth rates are birth rates. All of that is different in you got to just hair just like you do in a business. You can't just keep doing the same thing. Because it's popular. It's the way it used to be described in the campaign is the most pro-trump Republican out there, are you? I like the fact that the system is being shaken. I think if anybody was happy with the fact that you've got an institution that's got a fifteen percent approval rating, and you've got people here that live in bizarro world for the reasons we've talked about Donald Trump is jet. Definitely shaken the foundations and does not live in a Perot world himself. Well, in terms of in terms of people allege that as you. Well, yes, I look at the fact that he has been the individual that is kind of set the stage, and hopefully he'll follow through himself. But maybe more of us. You know, I I you myself as kind of a recruit that's come here. Open minded, knowing I said earlier Democrats define the issues. Well, I think we as Republicans sometimes reflexively against it. There reflexively against reigning in the federal government. So so they can do the things they wanna do. And from your point of view are they reflexively against President Trump. To some degree. Yes. Because because he says that they have to be against it mostly because they even braced the federal government and the things they like about it, maybe more than the other side of the ledger. And I think that along with this if we're going to solve these problems in the long run, you're gonna have to turn over more of these responsibilities to the states, and I know Democrats generally don't trust that but states are generally financially strong. Our tax rates are now at a level where I think it's going to maximize job growth, and it's going to be at least neutral on government revenues. So I think we got the stage set part of that would be for Democrats. I think don't try to do as much through the federal government and don't live within a system that's an embarrassment because everything they wanna do is not being paid for is this president in your opinion truthful. I think everybody has a style in terms of how they are ticky late initial. And I think he uses the methodology that's worked for him. I've never begrudged that because I was so happy that we were shaking the system for the sake of Democrats and Republicans, and I've mentioned that during the interview many on my side of the aisle have been part of the problem where we've not had this kind of Frank conversation, where you're talking about the fact that, you know, the issues that are important generally they're out on front, and you know, that we need to listen to talk about the style for second. I went to more than seventy five Trump rallies during the two thousand campaign almost every one of them. I heard the presidency who's going to pay for the wall. Roar from the audience, Mexico Mexico's not paying for the wall. We're having this partial government shutdown because we have to pay for the wall. Does that strike you as inventive Crea? Active or misleading. I think when you run I've always been more substance guy, and I don't like the sizzle because of the point you're trying to make that never works in the real world anyway, and I think that in the game politics, I had to learn that you've got to articulate your point of view. You gotta be heard. He sent certainly has been heard and when he MRs louder, and it's louder, and it's, you know, maintaining that decibel level, I'm guessing that for him to do what he wants to do, you know, he might have to modify that to some extent be flexible there, but I still think that the things that he's running on border security. We talked about is really a fiscal conservative. That remains to be seen Albie trying to bend his ear that we need to rein that in. So that page is yet to be read two years. I'm hoping that more people on each side of the aisle cheese to get involved in politics. That are not from the establishment that might bring a little different point of view, at least to change dynamic were within. That's voice of Mike run. Our special guest Republican Senator newly minted from the state of Indiana senate's mcreavy with us. Thank you enjoyed it. For more from this week's conversation. Download takeout outtake espec- out day morning. Wherever you listen to your podcasts. The takeout is produced by Arden foreing and Conti Pachenko CBS n production by Alex and Eric SU sonnet follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, at takeout podcast. That's at takeout, podcast and more. Visit takeout podcast dot com. The takeout is if production of CBS News Radio. Guys, you want to help out on the fries. Does your double cheeseburger, Senator right there? I will start with the fries while they're hot.

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Planned Parenthood's Leana Wen

POLITICO's Pulse Check

41:53 min | 2 years ago

Planned Parenthood's Leana Wen

"We're at a time when everything is at stake where we have to fight for our patients lives, if we don't fight, and we don't lead the charge if we don't work with our partners and our newly elected champions, if we don't work with these seventy three percent of Americans who believe that Roe versus Wade should be the law of the land. Then who is going to? I'm Dan diamond this pulse. Check, and that was Planned Parenthood. President Molina went bowing to take on the Trump administration and Republicans seeking to restrict abortion access. I'd bet a lot of listeners know, Dr went she's been a prominent healthcare writer, and speaker and was named Baltimore's health Commissioner all before she turned thirty two years old. She's been head of Planned Parenthood for several months now. And on this episode you'll hear our conversation on the organization and its future as well. As what she's learned about healthcare after overseeing Baltimore's health department. Just a note for me over the years, we've done several episodes of pulse. Check on abortion. It's arguably the most sensitive issue that comes up on my beat we'd IRS and listeners. Understandably feel strongly about it for additional perspectives, including my interview with Marjorie den fells. The head of Susan b Anthony list checked the show notes you'll hear from Dr wen in a moment. But first, here's a clip from Tuesday night's state of the union address part of a larger section when President Trump's criticized Democrats on their abortion legislation lawmakers in New York cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments from birth. These are living feeling beautiful babies who will never get the chance to share their love and their dreams with the world. And then we had the case of the governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth to defend the dignity of every person. I am asking congress to pass legislation to prohibit the late. Late term abortion of children. Dr Lena win. Welcome to politico. Pulse. Check. Thank you. Happy to be here with you today, you were at the state of the union on Tuesday night as a guest of speaker Pelosi as President Trump railed against abortion and called for new band later in pregnancy. What is it like to be you at that moment? I was extremely angry and frustrated because what I was listening to was deliberate misinformation and Frank lies that fly in the face of medicine and science and were being said for political purposes, we know what President Trump is trying to get at. He's trying to get at the end of Rovers as wait to get rid of safe legal abortion and to go to a time when women had to resort to other methods and thousands of women died every year. That's what's at stake for me as a doctor as the president of Planned Parenthood. Trump's administration has pushed regulations to hamper funding to your organization HHS has advanced rules that would make it easier for health workers to deny abortions. The supreme court is now tilting conservative with Justice cavenaugh, replacing Justice Kennedy is this the most perilous moment for abortion rights since Rovers is Wade. Yes. We have a situation elm where with the supreme court one in three women of reproductive age, which is twenty five million women could soon be living in states where abortion is outlawed or banned. And this is not theoretical. There are sixteen cases that are one step away from the supreme court. And if any of them are heard, and there's one case that could be heard that could be that could be ruled on as early as tomorrow, you're talking about Zana. That's right rogue could be further eroded or completely overturned, and we need to talk about what's at stake, and what's at stake is patient's lives what we will talk about your vision for this organization, and what you are fighting for now. But I want to step back and frame the conversation a bit. There are many folks who will listen to this podcast and agree with everything that you have to say, and you have prominent supporters in champions speaker Pelosi, for instance, but at the same time there are many American. Who don't trust Planned Parenthood? They say that abortion is tantamount to murder about one in five Americans. Think abortion should be legal under any circumstance. What would you say to those Americans? I would say that you are entitled to your personal view, and I respect that. But please do not impose your personal view on everybody else. And we should respect medicine science. We know from science from data that abortion is a safe legal medical procedure that one in four women will have in our lifetimes. It is part of the full spectrum of reproductive healthcare, which is healthcare and shouldn't be treated any differently than any other aspect of healthcare as a physician, I've taken care of women in all different types of circumstances. Women whom I remember actually had a patient who found out in her second trimester that she was carrying twins that were missing diaphragms and when never develop their lungs, and so if she'd carried the twins to term they would have suffocated upon birth. And so she made a deeply personal deeply painful and difficult decision. And somebody else may have made a different decision. But it's my job as her doctor not to judge her or shame her or coerce her is to give her the information and the services she needs to make the best decision. She can about her health. That's right for her and for her family. It's my job. Trust my patience and to trust women. There's a Bill in Virginia that's gotten a lot of attention backed by Democrats to loosen abortion, restrictions in the state. And when governor Ralph Northam tried to defend the Bill some of his comments which actually got away. You're just talking about this idea of abnormalities in a fetus, and what might happen if the woman went into labor with that fetus who had abnormalities what might happen? President Trump will looted to this in a speech. He said that north and was calling for execution of babies, regardless of what governor was trying to say, he said, everything has been misinter-. Operated? He's talking about what's current medical practice. Wait, what you just described with the woman with the twins with missing diaphragms? Do you understand why the imagery and why the idea has inflamed? So many on the antiabortion side. The only problem though, is that these are lies. This is a manufactured crisis. That's not based on medical reality. And I want to explain what that medical reality is the medical reality is that ninety nine percent of abortions occur before twenty one weeks. And those that occur later are because of extreme circumstances like grave danger to a woman's life and fetal to mice. I've treated patients who had unfortunately, suffered fetal demise. And who would want a woman to carry that that fetus determined to deliver weeks later? I mean is just this. He's this is medicine medicine is complex. It's different in every situation. And what I know is a doctor is that it's up to the doctor and the patient to wait through this very difficult environment together not for politicians to. Come in and tell us what what it is that a woman should do about her body and our health and actually want to address Virginia New York people have talked about this. I would say also misleading ways what's actually happening is that in the last seven years there have been over four hundred bills signed into law n-, not directly restrict abortion access. These are things that are not based on medicine or science or protection for patients in any way. Actually, these are things that harm women and have no basis in medicine. They're just the only reason is to shame coerce people in these are things like forced ultrasounds forced waiting periods. And what the legislators are doing in New York and in Virginia and stays around the country is to pass pro out of legislation to repeal these bad policies. So then. If ro is overturned, we know that states are going to be the critical backstop, and these proactive legislation will protect women and our patients in those states, the Virginia legislation, for instance, would seek to change a rule where right now a woman would need to get verification from three different doctors before getting an abortion late in pregnancy. If even if that abortion was medically necessary and health groups have said the current rules in Virginia are a kick hence the need for some changes. I I wanna talk about your background and decision to come to Planned Parenthood. You're the first doctor till the Planned Parenthood. In decades, that's gotten a lot of attention. Your interviews have focused on how you want take this organization and brought her healthcare direction. But I actually wanted to talk about another. I you're the first member of the association of health care journalists to lead this organization, and you do have real journalism experience you blog for NPR you've written a book. I remember seeing you at health journalism events and con. How has that background shaped? How you think about a role like this were media coverage really does play a major factor in how Planned Parenthood is interpreted. I think of my background as a doctor and as a writer in the same way, which is that I tell the stories of my patients, and I give voice to people who want their story to be in their voice to be heard. I decided to go into the ER because I never wanted to turn any patient away. And in the ER is also how I saw that just providing good care isn't enough. If there are bad policies that are threatening to take away people's care. I mean, and so those are the stories that I heard as a physician those are the stories that I tell as a as a writer as journalists, and those are the same stories that I tell now as I'm advocating for my patients. So I see this as being no different in the sense that my entire life. I've been doing these two things which is providing healthcare and at the same time fighting to. Checked access to that care, whether it's through advocacy directly with our legislators advocacy through mobilization and organizing or advocacy through writing and journalism you sat for a BuzzFeed interview about a month ago about planned Parenthood's vision, the headline on that story was quote, planned Parenthood's new president wants to focus on non abortion, healthcare, so services like opioids and diabetes diabetes management. You tweeted that buzzfeed's headline quote completely misconstrued your mission. Can you explain that? Actually, there was an initial headline that I responded to so all dress both of them. There was an initial headline. And I'm not repeating this verbatim now because I don't remember exactly word for word what it said. But it talked about how I am backing off from politics that because I come from a healthcare background, the insinuation is that I'm doctor, and therefore I am taking us in a direction that is. Is not political. That's what I was responding to and that's wrong. And that's wrong because we are at a time when everything is at stake where we have to fight for our patients lives, if we don't fight, and we don't lead the charge if we don't work with our partners and our newly elected champions, if we don't work with these seventy three percent of Americans who believe that Rovers is way, it should be the law of the land and who is going to. I mean, it's at this time exactly right now that we should be fighting with everything that we have. I mean, I have said, and I truly believe that healthcare shouldn't be political getting medications for your children vaccinations, breast cervical cancer screenings that shouldn't be political. But because it's been made political. It's my job to then fight with everything I have including through political mechanisms and with our twelve million supporters who expect this, and we'll stand with us on this to fight and on the question that you raised about the other service. Planned Parenthood is proud to provide the full range of reproductive, healthcare and all healthcare. I mean, we see ourselves as a beacon lighthouse of sorts that patients come to us because they trust us. And for many of our patients, we are the only source of healthcare. We are proud to provide abortion care because it is part of the full spectrum of reproductive health care. We're also proud to provide so many other services, including STI tests HIV tests. We're proud to provide in nail starting some primary care mental health services because our patients our whole people. They don't just come in with one need when they come to us for birth control. It's also our duty to help them with so many of the other things that they might have going on in their lives to that's our duty to serve our patients the best that we can. Well, when you talk about the political resistance of some of these non abortion services, how does that manifest who is exactly complaining about that? I don't know that people are complaining about these additional services that we provide politicizing or politicizing planned parent. I mean, that's your contention, right? That these other things that you have spent years working on now that you're a Planned Parenthood. They have been criticized I've spoken to antiabortion groups who say we don't have any truck with Planned Parenthood doing these other things. It's the abortion issue that we can't get over. And what I would say to those individuals is that they don't understand medical care in medical care. We don't see abortion as one thing abortion is part of the full spectrum of reproductive healthcare. That's just good medical care in the same way that we don't see reproductive healthcare as being separate from the rest of a woman's or person's body. That's just not how medicine works, and we as Planned Parenthood. I will say about abortion access that we will never abandon women. We will never abandon the women who come to us seeking abortions abortion may be just over three percent of the total services that we provide. But that is a core. Part of what we do that's healthcare. That number that you just quoted three percent of the services you provide. What what you're saying? There is that Planned Parenthood does while hundreds of thousands of abortions per year. There are hundreds of thousands of other things you're doing as well, that's that's at least how it's been represented to me. And I have looked at your annual report. But fact checkers and antiabortion groups would say that that's somewhat misleading the the equivalent be saying like at a movie theater, there might only be forty screenings of the movie that day, but there's a lot more popcorn sold. You would never say that the movie theater three percent of of its activities or movies movies. Are the thing that gets people to the movie theater? So the idea that Planned Parenthood is only doing three percent of its services as abortion, isn't it? Fair to say that abortion is the core goal of what you're doing. I don't think that's a an accurate representation. The accurate representation of what we Planned Parenthood. Do is reproductive healthcare abortion is part of reproductive healthcare. It's important for us. Contextualized abortion as one of the many aspects of reproductive health care, which is standard health care. The way that we calculate our percentages is the same as any other healthcare system that I've ever worked for that standard practice within medicine. And that's what we follow the gold standard of healthcare within Planned Parenthood. There are antiabortion advocates who have sat down and joined at this podcast. Marjorie deadened fells are the head of Susan B, Anthony less arguably, your counterparties, the most prominent antiabortion leader and curious if you've sat down with them if you have any sort of relationship with antiabortion advocates. Why I would contest your terminology. I think it's accurate to say that they are anti abortion people. But I would not be accurate to say that I am a pro abortion person that doesn't make sense to me in the same way that you would never call cardiologists pro cardiac. Stunting pro cardiac surgery, I am for the full range of healthcare services that a patient needs in their lives. But as planned Parenthood's leader, aren't you the most prominent figure in the abortion rights fight, you're out there fighting for access to abortion among other things. Absolutely. I think that's the right terminology that we are pro abortion access. We are pro reproductive healthcare. We are pro the full range of services for women's health. And for all people, we believe in healthcare as a fundamental, human, right? That is guaranteed to all regardless of ability to pay immigrant status at cetera. I would be happy to sit down with professionals who are in. Medical care, whom support the ability of all people to receive healthcare services. So that's a no though that you are not having weekly coffees with your opponents on the other side of this. I would be happy to engage with anyone who stands with us on on the importance of getting care to all people many of the Democrats targeted by antiabortion advocates Senator Heidi Heitkamp Senator Claire mccaskill Senator Joe Donnelly, North Dakota, Missouri, Indiana lost in the midterms. I'm curious doctor. Are there candidates that you're targeting for twenty twenty or even sooner that Planned Parenthood would either like to see elected or alternately leave office? Well, look, we saw what happened in the last midterms, which is that people particularly women of color, and and women overall voted in record numbers for they most averse house that we've ever that we've ever had and the. Most pro reproductive health majority in the house of representatives. We have now also in states we have twenty five governors and nineteen state legislatures including in DC that strongly stand in favor of of women's health. We have eleven count and counting Planned Parenthood alumni who have been elected to to office, including Senator Tina Smith. We're actually we're seeing Roe versus Wade the support for Roe versus Wade at is all time high at seventy three percent, and that abortion access is a mobilizing issue for seven and ten Democrats compared to four in ten Republicans. I mean, we are seeing quite the trend for people all people recognizing that reproductive healthcare is just like any other aspect of healthcare. And we know that voters in two thousand nineteen in twenty twenty are going to be expecting that that the champions foon they elected before going. To keep on standing with us on these important issues, and that will elect even more champions going forward. So if that's the trend, how do you explain the losses of mccaskill? Hi, Kevin Donnelly. How do we explain the winds that have occurred in so many other parts of the country as well? I mean, we as of last count we have forty five million more people who are living in states where they are reproductive freedoms will be protected as a result of the turnout and the in the two thousand eighteen midterms. And so we need to keep on having candidates while stand with us and stand strongly on the issues of reproductive rights, and reproductive freedom understanding that it's the context of other things in the context of health care healthcare is the number one issue that voters have identified we know that people want more healthcare and not less voters in Idaho. Utah Nebraska voted for Medicaid expansion. So we need to conceptualize reproductive healthcare in healthcare. And we have to talk about it as an economic Justice and an economic opportune. Pretty issue as well one hundred years ago, Planned Parenthood was founded on the idea that if your body is not your own than you cannot be truly for equal. And that's still the same principle in freedom that we fight for today. A book to take the conversation beyond your goals at Planned Parenthood. And just think about what this moment means as someone who's in healthcare, who's a physician, and the Trump administration has advanced a lot of different priorities that affect work that you either do now or have done in the past for instance, right before we sat down we were chatting about the new HIV plan of the Trump administration is advancing where the president is promising to end HIV transmission in America by twenty thirty isn't that the kind of goal that could be bipartisan that there could be a lot of support regardless of political party. Sure that President Trump needs to follow science and evidence, and do what public health advocates have been saying for years is what we should do instead of the opposite one of the first things that he. He did when he got into office was to implement and expand the global gag rule, which is causing programs HIV programs treatment programs prevention programs to stop a around the world for listeners who don't know. That's that's also known as the Mexico City policy where the US government is making it harder for NGOs abroad, non-governmental organizations. They get funding if they're also providing abortion services, so it has a ripple effect on healthcare around the globe. Well, it specifically saying that any organization that provides education, referrals advocacy, anything to do with the full range of reproductive health care, including abortion access cannot receive that US assistance in any way for anything even for things like nutritional assistance for children HIV programs. I mean, we're seeing that in in Latin America in sub Saharan Africa that multiple programs have had to shut down their entire operations. And it's making. HIV that much harder to find around the world. We're also seeing now with President Trump's attacks on on the US anytime. Now, it could it could be even this week or next week. The title ten gab Grohl could come out which would harm four million American women and families entitled ten is. What provides forum STI screenings HIV towels affordable birth control for breast and cervical cancer screenings, and it would be I can't imagine how it is that we're trying to fight the HIV epidemic when we are taking away the ability of people to literally get their HIV tests, and for listeners who don't know what the tunnel ten funding rules, doctor can you explain why that means so much for Planned Parenthood and other community centers as well. The title ten gal rule is an attempt by President Trump to censor. What it is that doctors can tell our patients. So if. If you're a woman, and you're going to a clinic that receives federal assistance so that you can get care, and you ask questions about abortion, your doctor is not allowed to tell you how or where to get an abortion, even if your life is at risk. I can't tell you how angry this makes me as a physician because it is unethical. It's unconscionable is illegal it forces me to compromise the oath that I took when I became a doctor we as Planned Parenthood have decided that if this road goes through we cannot accept gab funds because we will not force our clinicians to practice unethical medicine, we will not compromise. Our patients abilities to receive the best care possible. But what that would mean is that we serve one point six million patients through titled ten there are four million patients served overall through title, ten fewer clinics to your health centers will receive title ten funding. Now, we as Planned Parenthood. We are going to do everything we can to fight through every avenue through litigation through legislation through working with our donors supporters. And I want our patients to know for listening that if you are one of the one point six million patients who come to us through title, ten funding or if you're. Plenty to come to our health centers for your care. Our doors are open today. Our doors are open tomorrow, we've been under attack for over one hundred years, and we are going to keep fighting because it's our promise to you that we will be here to provide care. No matter what will total ten funding. If you give that up will that force you to cut other services will that force Planned Parenthood to change its strategy in some way. Well, again, we are going to be fighting this rule through every channel. And there are many things that we are exploring. There are over one hundred groups nursing groups, medical groups, public health groups that have signed on with us to decry this unethical rule, and we're going to be fighting this for some time to come. This is the problem. Imagine how much more we could do if we weren't spending all of our resources in our energy fighting these attacks. Imagine how much more healthier we could provide to communities in need. We have over six hundred health centers around the country, and for so many of our patients, we are their only source of care even in very difficult environments, and I'm in the process now of doing a national listening tour and visiting our affiliates around the country, and they do such incredible work. I mean, I'm amazed by in Ohio. We have a program called healthy moms healthy babies that where we have outreach workers, and nurses that you home visiting to reduce infant mortality and maternal mortality in northern and southern California. We have partnerships to provide mental health services and are now working with some of our schools to reproductive health education and Colocation of services, including with behavioral health services and schools. I mean, we do so much interesting innovative work that directly meets the needs of people where they are are promo Taurus programs for community health outreach, we partner including with with native American reservations with Mexican consulates. I mean, we do great work around the country, specifically meeting the needs of people where they are imagine. How much more we could be doing if we're not trying to back fill for these cuts that are happening. It seems like on a daily basis. I mean, we're fighting for the ability of our patients to get something as basic as healthcare, please help us do that. I would argue that at this time on our history. When menteur mortality rates are soaring. When health disparities are increasing that the country the world needs Planned Parenthood. Now more than ever we want to be and we will be expanding our reach and expanding our impact, but help us do that. And see the impact that we already make every day in communities around the country. You mentioned some of the stomach problems in the US healthcare system, social determinants of health, and what those mean things like lack of access to nutrition good housing, and how that impacts healthcare outcomes. I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland, a city that you know, well is the former city health Commissioner my dad was a doctor Hopkins he stayed on staff there. So we would drive down to Hopkins and drive through these sometimes burnt out neighborhoods to get to this gilded hospital with its own security force. And honestly it shaped how I think about healthcare in quality in America. You got to run that cities healthcare system for for years where does a city like Baltimore stand now, and what needs to happen, even well beyond Planned Parenthood. What needs to happen to improve healthcare delivery in America's mid level cities. Well, I was privileged to serve as the health Commissioner in Baltimore for four years. And I thought about one statistic every day because I lived it every day, which is this twenty year gap in life expectancy that exists between neighboring areas in Baltimore that you could drive just a couple of miles a child born today can expect to live eighty five years or sixty five years the twenty year difference. I thought about all the time for a number of reasons. One is that it's such a poignant example of how the healthcare that we get does not determine certainly not the only determined of how long people live some studies show that up to ninety percent of what determines how long you live is the air that you breathe where you happen to live where you go to school. Whether you go to school these other social determines and also thought about this number a lot because I have a young child. I have. I'm a one and a half year old son. And I thought a lot about how privileged he is. But also what is this world, and I'm bringing him into where we have these profound disparities where not that long ago in Baltimore in two thousand nine an African American baby born was five times more likely to die than a white baby in our city. But then I also think about the work that we did in Baltimore, for example, to reverse these trends, we were able to within seven years we cut the infant mortality in our city by thirty eight percent and reduced the disparity between black and white infant mortality by over fifty percent. The opioid epidemic was raging still is raging in our city and around the country. And we saved as result of my blanket prescription for an along stone. We saved nearly three thousand lives in three years. We started doing mental health services and expanded mental health and one hundred and twenty of one hundred eighty of our schools. I mean, there are we implemented in expanded safe streets to treat gun. Violence as a public health issue and saved potentially hundreds of lives that way. I mean, there are a lot of examples around the country not just in Baltimore him of how treating these social determinants is so important. It's actually very similar to the work that Planned Parenthood does an understanding that you cannot treat a person is not just one organ system or one medical procedure that they happen to have or need in their lifetimes. It's about all these other factors too. And I'm so proud that Planned Parenthood has always been about looking at these social determinants of health to even if we haven't always addressed at such. That's what we do that. When patients come to us, not only do they get their birth control. They if they need housing assistance, if they need to be connected to immigration resources. That's also what they get at our health centers. And that's the kind of work that I'm so proud to represent and to expand. I respect your ability to bring the conversation back to Planned Parenthood. But I'm not letting you off the hook on my Baltimore questions. Just yet. One would be you were Commissioner for four years. You you came to Planned Parenthood last fall. What do you wish in retrospect you done differently in Baltimore? What what went unfulfilled because being Commissioner of the health department is is not an easy task. You're inheriting staff of thousand people city workers who may have had different priorities or trying to change the ship in a relatively short amount of time. What what went unfulfilled by definition, the work of public health is never finished. I wasn't looking to leave my job. I loved my job. My home is stone Baltimore, I'm raising my family in Baltimore. I am. I loved the team that I had in involved for many of whom came to work with me specifically at the at the health department, and I look, and they are there's so much that I wished that. I had the chance to see through our work around opioids we had done a lot of work on harm reduction in saving lives. We were getting to the next phase, which is working with our city hospitals to make sure. That we treat addiction as the disease that it is we became the first city in the country to implement levels of care to make sure that we treat addiction mental health in the same way that we treat that that. We treat any other illness, the levels of care have launched. I would love to see him the next stage of the implementation, we also had a an have a major grant with Senator four four Medicare Medicaid services to four accountable health communities, specifically, integrating social determinants of health at the time that somebody went in for a visit at a hospital that they would also be referred to other social resources. That's something that I wish that I could see through that project is ongoing. But I wish that I could see through that did get hurt or to do your job under the Trump administration as a city Commissioner absolutely that dynamics were very different between the Obama administration, and the and the Trump administration, this is not a partisan conversation. That's just is the reality. One example is that we had a program still is running in the city is all explained for team pregnancy prevention program that was very successful in sixteen years reduced the team birth rates at our city by sixty one percent seventeen years rather by sixty one percent. And that program was cut precipitously with no explanation. And this is we're talking about comprehensive sex Ed for middle school and high school students. So we sued the Trump administration along with some other cities, including obviously, absolutely. And we were very happy that are funding was restored in twenty thousand of our youth are now able to continue to receive this. But it's very difficult. Also when funding challenges continue coming there were cuts also to STI HIV prevention another reason why I'm so befuddled by this announcement by the Trump administration about. The issue. I mean, it's a good cause. But when what you do is completely in conflict with what you say, you got a question. What's happening at the end of the day. I feel like it's fair to say the you've lived your life in a hurry. You went to college at the age of thirteen you were health Commissioner of a city at thirty one. You're now Planned Parenthood CEO you got the job when you're thirty five. What have you had a lot of life? Well, I'm interviewing you. I mean, I find sometimes when I'm prepping for an interview there were only a few articles after the problem was there are so many articles about you. I even found the date lap column from the Washington Post for more than a decade ago. So it's fair to say that you've had a prominent life for a long time. But in accomplishing all of those things what have you had to give up? Well, that's a. Difficult question. I mean, I feel like right now as I'm speaking to you, I I I think I have to give up a lot of my personal life with my family. And I don't say this any way to complain or to or to take away from what this job is which is a really profound privilege to be able to defend women's rights and people's rights and provide healthcare every day. I mean, it's it's a profound privilege, and a an choice that I feel so lucky that I had the opportunity to add a challenge that such an opportunity that I had to take on. But I have a young son. And nowadays, I rarely see him. Our offices are in DC in New York. I live in Baltimore. I I'm also traveling around the country because it's important to do. So I want to be on the front lines. Seeing the care that's delivered around the country and meeting our advocates and our supporters around the country, and I have an aggressive schedule of going to see twenty of our affiliates in five months, but I leave very early in the morning, and if I'm even able to get home, and if I'm on the road, I'm not able to get home. I'm not seeing my my son, my husband, and I had some very difficult conversations when we were deciding about the Trump and at the end of the day, actually, it did come down to our son. And it was what is the future that we want for him? And I got pregnant not long after Trump was elected to be the president and my pregnancy coincided with so many attempts to to take away the Affordable Care Act, and to gut Medicaid, and I thought a lot about at that time. How? Schnitt. I was that I didn't have to make those trade offs in what turned out to be a high risk pregnancy. I didn't have to make those trade offs between getting an ultrasound and monitoring for twenty four hours or paying for food and rent for my family. And then I thought about the world that I'm bringing my son into this world that of hatred, and racism, misogyny, and bigotry, and homophobia and transphobia, and I thought what who what kind of parent would I be if I have an opportunity to do something to change that world, and I'm not doing that. And why should I be telling my students why teach and these young people who came to work with me at the health department, what kind of mentor and role model what I before them. If I were telling them, they should be doing everything they can to fight and I'm not doing my part. And that's why I'm here, but I very much recognized the personal cost of this. And I'm thankful to my husband for making this decision with me for stepping up. In childcare duties, and so many different ways. And I think I'm, you know, I think also back to my mother, and my father when we first immigrated to this country and the trade offs that they had to make they had to work many jobs, many long hours, and they rarely saw me growing up. And that's not something that I'd wanted for for my family, but at the same time, it's also such an honor and a privilege to be doing something that I truly believe in an inviting for every day last question, the jobs that you have had the job that you have Baltimore City Commissioner of health planned Parenthood's president for many people that might be the greatest job the last job. They do is your life is success. If this is the last job that you do. Well, I'm I just turned thirty six. So I know Cecile Richards was in this job for twelve years twelve years later, or if I'm able to have the incredible and successful tenure that she has had I would be forty eight. So I hope that this is not the last shot that I will that that I will ever have, you know, I never defined my life as the job that I have actually the only thing that I ever wanted to do was to be a physician, and I'm still proud to be a practicing physician elm. I actually have a clinic day coming up tomorrow. In fact, and I'm I will always that's always my primary identity is to serve patients enter treat patients, and that's to be trusted with people's lives and their time of need. So that's something that I will always go back to, but I'm only two and a half months into my job they own and I am looking forward to working with my team here Planned Parenthood with our many champions in elected office are in our. Millions of supporters around the country in the months in the years to come because there is so much work for us to do. There is huge unmet need when it comes to healthcare. We are one of few organizations that has a presence in all fifty states with a commitment to serve those for the most vulnerable. There's so much work. We have to do in healthcare. Not to mention that. We do have the fight of our lives happening right now. And this is the time to fight with everything we have because our health our rights. Our futures are on the line. We'll Dr Lena when we will see what you do leading Planned Parenthood in the in years to come and in the fight for Boertien rights. Thank you for joining the podcast. Thank you. That's it for pulse. Check this. I thanks to Dr Leana wen of Planned Parenthood miss several Emily's in her office. Make this interview happen in our end producer mikailah Rodriguez, social media, guru, Emily Goldberg for producing and promoting the show, you can find pulse. Check on all of your favorite podcast apps district for politicos pulse. Check can find me at Di diamond politico dot com with suggestions. 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Amanpour: John Avlon, Scott Jennings, Kimberly Reed and Hasan Minhaj

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Amanpour: John Avlon, Scott Jennings, Kimberly Reed and Hasan Minhaj

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President Trump pulls out over stops in the home stretch before the mid terms as division rips the country really explore its effect on this critical election, then it is hard to talk about and actions without mentioning campaign financing filmmaker Kimberley Reid hopes to a hurry strain of us, and what about the influence of so-called doc money. Plus my conversation with the writer median Hassan Minaya, his new Netflix show, Patriot Act weaves wit in and out of our most pressing cultural crises. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christiane on four in New York as the midterm races. Enter the final furlong, President Trump plans to visit eight states to bond stone for Republican candidates while cranking up the tension with a host of controversial and bombastic claims from deploying thousands of military forces to the southern border. He says to defend against a caravan from Central America to varying radical change to the US constitution by ending birthright citizenship, the rhetoric has resumed its polarizing and bitten nature despite the recent shocking spate of hate crimes across this nation. But is that because Trump's base demands this red meat, we are going to ask that very question and find out with the author of wing nuts and the form editor in chief of the Daily Beast, John Avalon here in the studio with me and Scott Jennings. The former specialist system to President George W. Bush welcome to both of you. Welcome out there to use cotton here. John. So can I ask you then Scott to answer what I posed as a question some of this, hyper partisan, and very sort of bombastic rhetoric as we see ratcheting up, even if you know? Is off as that might sound. Is that because the base demands it or is that just Trump's DNA? Well, I think it's mostly his style. I mean, his rhetoric is never mute. It no matter what he's talking about. He tends to speak extremely about a lot of topics. Of course, that's also not unique just to President Trump. I well remember when I was working for Mitt Romney back in two twenty twelve presidential campaign. Joe Biden telling African Americans that Mitt Romney was going to quote, put y'all back in chains. I remember Nancy Pelosi last year saying the tax cuts, we're going to be Armageddon or the apocalypse. So it seems to me that over the last few years we've seen a trend towards extreme rhetoric and extreme hyperbole in our politics. Trump is kind of perfected it. He's written that way. But I'm not sure that he invented it. Go ahead, John. I'm not I'm not your perfection is the word maybe to use their Scott, but you could certainly to these isolated incidents with Biden Pelosi. But I think you would admit they were essentially one offs. Neither party got Doppler on virtue revised. But this is Donald Trump's brand you can call it a disruptor, you can call it a divider, but his certainly not a UniteR what I've expressing those in this midterm, the national Republicans are realizing that Trump's play to the base style could really be negative for them in these crucial swings races. Do you think? So Scott, I mean, that's a that's a question because everybody is is literally on the edge of their seat trying to figure out which way many of these issues are going to play how do you? I mean you've worked in this area for so so long and you worked for call rove who was one of the first of the strategies to say play to your base play to your base. How do you think this is going to play out belly six days from now? Well, I think two things number one midterm elections are based turn out elections. Democrats need to turn out their hardest core. Supporters Republicans need to do the same for the Republican party. There's no better motivator right now than Donald Trump. So that's absolutely true both parties, and especially Donald Trump or trying to get base boaters to turn out. I also think geography matters a lot here, there's essentially two elections going on there's the US Senate election, which is taking place largely in big red rural states where Donald Trump did well in two thousand sixteen and then there's the battle for the US house where the real battle ground is in suburban America in twenty five districts that Republicans currently hold that Hillary Clinton carried in two thousand sixteen. So the rhetoric that Trump uses on any given day usually extremely helpful in the Senate states, but sometimes not as helpful in the suburban house district. So we're having won election, but his impact could be positive in one front and negative on the other depending on which race you're talking. About it really is a bifurcation of how people are reacting based on where they live in some of their personal characteristics such as their educational attainment. Would you then sort of agree? I sort of decode you to be saying what's conventional wisdom right now that the Democrats are very likely to win back the house if you listen to the current minority Dita she thinks they will win back. The house Nancy Pelosi said that last night and that the Senate will remain in Republican hands. Do you as a Republican operative believe that to be the truth? I do think the high probability is we're headed for divided government. I think Republicans could hold the house, but it would be a long shot on election night. Just given the number of retirements the number of open seats the amount of money. Democrats have raised some of the districts that Republicans are trying to hold are very unfriendly territory. So I would be shocked if the Democrats don't win the house and the Senate not only do I think Republicans will hold the Senate. But I think there's a great chance they may wind up at fifty two or fifty three seats. So what does that pretend for Donald Trump? It means he's going to have a lot of headaches coming from investigations from democratic controlled house and his achievements over the next two years or largely going to be confined to confirming more judges with Mitch McConnell running the US Senate. That's really interesting, and you have a whole load of new statistics and polling regarding this. Yeah. So you want to find the truth in politics. Follow the money brand new report out by the Wesleyan media institute looking at where the money's going and advertising spending. And it really does say a lot about. The state of the race first of all dramatic increase in negative ads. Sixty one percent over the last midterms we've seen perhaps reflecting the tone and tenor that Donald Trump is doing but also look at the issues for Democrats. It's healthcare overwhelmingly, healthcare and healthcare and healthcare sixty percent of their ads in the Senate and house are being spent on that for Democrats. It's tax reform healthcare is down the list and Trump's signature issues of public, safety and immigration are well down the list as well. So Democrats really actually a unified message on the ground and the ad spent despite the lack of a national message. Trump's core you playing up the base not necessarily being reflected by his own party's nominees in the districts and the coalition being immigration as you said. Yeah, we'll certainly Trump is Trump has gone down. He's he's trying to inflame folks. On the caravan. The so-called caravan of Margaret's a thousand miles away from the border that he characterizes as an invasion. So I actually now want to put this to both of you, a Scott, and John because we are trying to understand who is this base. Because. You know, you have said Scott that Donald Trump didn't invent this heated rhetoric that he's perfected it and that it's been going on for a long time. But, but I think the general political atmosphere is so much more tense than it's being in anybody's recent memory that I want to ask you what you make of of what John has been saying. And some of these this rhetoric around the caravan. So look on Monday this week. Trump tweeted the following many gang members and some very bad people mixed into the caravan heading to US Southern Boorda. Please go back. You will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our country. And our military is waiting for you. Now, I want to follow that up by what Robert bow is the alleged assassin at the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Also posted why Hello there high s HRIS you like to bring in hostile invaders to dwell amongst us, Scott. What do you make of the wood invasion being used by this this person who is now being held in connection with eleven murders and the president of the United States and his cohort? I don't think it's right to blame the present United States for the actions of deranged individuals. I do think that his description of the caravan as an invasion is is normal for how the president would describe illegal immigration, and it plays to what I think he's seeing on television. I mean, we're seeing these video footage of thousands and thousands of people on the other hand, I think that Republican candidates out there who are looking at polls would tell you in terms of intensity. If you look at all the issues that people say they care about nothing drives Republican intensity like immigration. It's why Donald Trump won the nomination in sixteen. A lot of people think it's why he's present United States today that hasn't abated. And so the more they talk about it the more intensity. They drive with their people the more that they believe that Republicans are going to continue to one vote to try to solve a problem that's gone unsolved in the United States for a very long time. So I mean, all of this is tied frankly, not just to the. Current events of the caravan. This started the day Donald Trump started his presidential. We wanted. We want to get to the truth Scott because he may have said it and the rhetoric may be playing into his favor. And as I say, again, we're trying to understand this base in the connection between rhetoric and I and the base because many of the figures simply do not bear out any of this invasion toll junk, they have used it to the advantage though. And well, successfully certainly don't Trump has used this issue very effectively to inflame the base as you say, but but let's just reality. Check us on a couple of us first of all southern border crossings have been on the decline since the year two thousand there actually down around our third of what they used to be. So this is not a crisis that demands invasion type rhetoric. It isn't irritant for a lot of people in Donald Trump's base second of all the language invasion. The fact that the president used it after the shooting, and after it was known that the shooter who targeted the tree of life synagogue was using that language repeatedly. That to me seems either intentionally callous, cruel or? Both that does not describe culpability for the shooting in any way, shape or form. But why would you pick up that language again that seems to be crossing a significant line the care about a thousand miles away from the border, and if you look at the language of invaders and invasion in US history as it supplied to immigration, it's always been ugly, and yet Joan speak to Scott just said the images are not favorable for those who would like to take a rational, look at this the images are of overhead of what looks like a very very massive group of people coming to the United States on President Trump can use those images and people can get frightened about the very effectively. The problem is perception versus reality. Again, a thousand miles away from the border is not an invasion, and Scott I wanted to ask you because of course, no one is blaming accusing the president of whatever direct inspiration or involvement in these things. However, even he knows that the heated rhetoric that he uses is red. Right. And that his people like it because right off to the synagogue shooting. He said the following at a rally, and I'm gonna play it. If you don't mind, I'm gonna tone it down just a little bit. Is that okay? From illinois. I had a fairly you're much. I know you, well, I had a feeling you much. So Scott, I mean, this is kind of scary because potentially has an instinct to tone it down after something as awful as what happened in the Pittsburgh synagogue. But then he goes out, and he said rallies meant to be fun and people to have a good time. And why don't we just let them get on with it and the media lead this divisive language starts up again. Yeah. The president. I do think has sometimes instincts then run into what he faces at the rally crowds. And I think he uses the rallies, and I'd be interested in John's input on this. As something is a massive focus group. You know, he wrote test messages all the time at these rallies and the better the reception he gets then you start to hear it more and more not just rallies, but in other places, I also think the president knows this the immigration issue, especially in the mid west in the middle American states where a lot of these Senate races are going on. It's not just playing well among Republicans. I'm coming to you tonight from Louisville. I sit in a media market. That's getting all of the ad traffic for the Indiana Senate race, I'm seeing every single ad is being run by democrat incumbent US Senator Joe Donnelly and in every ad. It's all about build the wall build the wall either. But my party to build the wall. So while we talk about the president talking about immigration, and using this rhetoric to inflame or motivate his base. There are democrat. It's incumbent US senators running in middle America who have picked up on it and know that it is working not just to pick off Republican votes, but potentially depiction of conservative, Democrats and independents as well. Scott, Scott, your make us the case Joe Donnelly in Indiana. And I think that's an instructive one. First of all, obviously, Donnie a democrat running for reelection in vice president Pence, his home state, one of the reasons. Democrats have a real tough time. The Senate is simply the map there have a lot of Democrats running in states, Donald Trump won handily. So can there be a Blue Wave big enough to keep them in? So obviously, they're going to tack to the center they're going to tack to the right and a lot of workers in that upper mid west corridor over the two hundred districts that's flipped from Obama to Trump. A lot of them were angry about economic dislocation that they blame on immigration. The question is one of responsibility. If the president goes into a rally and focus groups that is you say because he really just as interested in. What sells question is does that red meat translate to the fundamental responsibilities of the office of the presidency and? The obligation to have a fidelity to the fact because when you talk about the president state's calling asylum seekers from Honduras invaders that goes back to earlier language about anti immigration movements in this country that have been some of our lowest moments, not our best Scott. What would you say to that before I play actually something back from the two thousand sixteen campaign because it's quite it's quite an important point this. Yeah. I think the president would say that his rhetoric today is no different than what he ran on in two thousand sixteen. He was saying that he has zero tolerance policy for illegal immigration. That was true then and it's true now. And then he hasn't changed one bit on this. And that he won an election on it. And then he's well within his rights to continue to talk about it in the way that he does I agree with you, John. These caravan members are thousand miles away, they are not imminently on the border. But I think the president believes and a lot of his supporters believe in a lot of people who are right now in the US congress believe that we have not yet done enough on border security, and this is the most recent visual example, why would these people be coming in mass to the United States if they didn't have some expectation that they could get across our porous border. I think that's why you're seeing him use it because he thinks the argument has worked before and it's not really been solved. So therefore, it would work again, if a Scott, I operated in the fat bass world, not politically campaigning. And we haven't seen one brick in two years of President Trump's being in office. Put into this so-called ward, he's had a pliant congress. He could have done it. It hasn't happened. And we know that the net outflow is much more significant than the net inflow across that border. But I really want to pick up what you just said. A lot of his rhetoric hasn't really changed since two thousand sixteen and that is actually quite troubling. When it comes to issues of some of the cues of antisemitic dog whistling and this and that and we saw this violent act in Pittsburgh. Let us play this clip. And I would like to talk to you about it afterwards. These has trillions of dollars. So those who control the levers power and for the global special-interest they? Don't have good mind. Global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed are working strip dot country of its wealth and put that money into the pockets. A handful of large corporations and political. It's. So I think we would just need to point out and break down that that clip that global power structure for rubbing the working cost. This is red over pictures of very prominent jewish-americans, George Soros, Janet Yellen, Lloyd, blankfein, and this has been criticised when it happened two years ago. And obviously, it's still being criticized when do we say enough is enough particularly particularly in this country because that is dog whistle language and even in the cavenaugh hearings. You remember President Trump, basically blamed Soros money for encouraging protesters against Cavanaugh. I mean, this is very unseemly. Why didn't George Soros to the Republican party has become what the coke brothers have come to the Democratic Party? These are extremely wealthy people who put a lot of money into a lot of political operations and a lot of candidates. And so when I hear Republicans talk about Soros backed opperations, I think about when Democrats talk about coq backed operations now, it's taken on a different undertone because of current events, but Soros has been active in democratic politics for a long time, and he has vexed Republicans for a long time because he has been one of the principal donors to operations that have led to some of their successes. So I don't see anti-semitism in attacks on George Soros. I just see one political party that doesn't like one of the financiers of their opposition in the exact same way that the opposite party doesn't like are funny answers. I hear what you're saying. And I can see you trying to pass that. But you know, what a dog whistle means. And yes, Democrats may not like the cokes, but they don't play on their ethnicity or that religion. And I think that's. Warring so many people about what's going on here is that legitimate. Or do you see it just as a as a sort of a counterweight to the Democrats in the cokes? I think what Scott says is how he perceives that. But if you look at the the language on social media, and the recesses of the internet around it they hear the dog whistle loud and clear that was produced by Steve Bannon to the closing weeks of the twenty six AM campaign and the language that Bannon was was pushing that of a nationalist language, really did talk about globalists' versus nationalist was the president has again embraced secret meetings cabals to undermine US sovereignty that is language that is replete in the history of antisemitism in America and other places. And so the question is folks may see it say, look, this is our coq brothers. This is our Sheldon Adelson. But the what it's the way it's being received by some folks is far different. And that's why I think not incidental to why George Soros received the first pipe bomb that was sent out last week. In addition to. Democratic politicians and CNN. So so I guess Scott, and John the question really is what happens off to these midterms. What happens when the votes are in? Let's say is divided government. Is that a way to to walk back from this bring because I say, many people see that this country is ripped apart in a way that it hasn't been for the last fifty is despite the periodic tensions that we've all been witness to do you think Scott that the Trump Republicans because it is now the Republican party of Donald Trump could change a little bit of Todd going forward, or do you believe that that it will continue if you lose the house? Why think you're gonna see extreme rhetoric and even higher levels coming out of both sides, and I'll tell you why two things number one if the Democrats take the house, and they launched numerous investigations and or impeachment proceedings against the president. Obviously he's going to be wound up about that. And number two, the democratic primary for president is going to begin may have already begun in Iowa New Hampshire and other places around the country. I think the demand by liberal activists of their presidential candidates to use extreme rhetoric and their opposition to Trump is going to be extremely high. That's going to get the president wound up. I think we are going to be plunged into an immediate heated extreme war of words, generated by the divided government situation in Washington in the presidential primary almost immediately when the dust settles on this. It's not necessarily what I would hope for America. But I think we should plan for it. Because I think it's almost a certainty. Well, I'm just going to give the last forty five seconds, John because I started by saying potentially the fourteen. The men the birthright automatic citizenship might be the next target. Do you think that's possible? That's nonsense. Paul Ryan has said it's nonsense. The president can't get a lottery rewrite the constitution of the fourteenth amendment. That's about playing to the base. Look going forward all the sides speak to greater division polarization, hypertension ship. If the president can deal with Democrats on something like, you know, infrastructure that would be a positive sign, but all the pressures are to greater extremes right now in American politics, that's bad for the country on that. I think you to. Agreed. So we end that John Avalon, Scott Jennings. Thank you both very much. Indeed. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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So by the time we finish in March. We're playing best is what I try to do every year with my. Man is three sixty five now at apple podcasts. And spotify. These races may still be up in the air. But let's plunge now below the surface to look at the dock money invisible and influential it is a way of funding political campaigns like the ones happening right now, but anonymously the filmmaker Kimberley Reid is bringing to the surface now with her new documentary called dog money. It follows the dollars and cents in her home state of Montana. And here's a clip. Let big money used dark money in this curtain of secrecy to basically by allegedly you're or bias state or eventually, ultimately, you know, control public policy in this country. I just can't see that happening. It won't be by the people for the people. It'll be something else. Now, the filmmaker Kimberly retold hurry stream of us and all about this. And how Montana is trying to fight. It can really read. Thanks for joining us. First of all, let's just start with a basic understanding, what is dark money any money that comes into an election or a policy debate where we're not sure where it's coming from. We don't know who's behind that money. And that's really important because we can't tell why people are trying to operate in politics. We can't tell what their motivations are what their vested interests what their profit motive is. If we don't know who it is. What was the citizens? United case. How important was it? So the citizens United case came down in two thousand and ten a lot of people that brave yet it and remember it as saying that corporations are people and money is speech. It really turned on the first amendment. And if you assume that corporations have rights. Of person hood and have free speech rights. And if you assume that money is speech, then therefore corporations can't be hindered. From speaking in elections. They can't be kept from spending money on election. So money is their voice their money is their poise when citizens United. I passed a lot of people were immediately up in arms that we were going to have unlimited money in political campaigns and not a certainly had an enormous impact. What people didn't really is that money would also become anonymous, and when you have anonymous and unlimited money being spent in elections, it really distorts our democracy, you spend at least six years looking at this topic in Montana. Why montana? It's a very good case study. I think it's the best case study it's small enough that we can sort of tell a story that takes place in. Microcosm. So that people can really wrap their heads around the story. A lot of times. I mean, we're talking about an issue where people are intentionally trying to hide money in the influence of money. So it helps to have a microcosm where we can connect all the dots and show how it all works. And I'm from there. And I think I also thought like a Montana and thinks I went to school learning about the influence of couple copper barons who ran the state about one hundred years ago. And I think having that skepticism towards the role of money in politics was an essential thing for me to a good place to come from to understand the issue into maybe see how the how the drama was going to develop that long period of time. There's a clip that we wanna play out where this is an investigative reporter who had been doing a lot of the groundwork in this state that you follow in the documentary, literally just had a whiteboard explaining how this whole cycle works. Let's take a look. This corporation wants to influence our politics. But they don't want the public to know that they're trying to influence our politics because that can hurt their bottom line perhaps. So they give money. Too dark money group. So they send out all of the mudslinging in the postcards, and the things that people hate receiving flooding their mailboxes this corporation is not affiliated with all of the dark money spending. Because they've essentially laundered it through this. And all of this supports a candidate. When that candidate gets elected, they support the agenda of the corporation. That's the feedback loop for dark money corporation funnels money. Do a pack. The pack sons postcards, attacking the opponent. The candidate who they wanted to get elected that candidate gets elected. They support the agenda of the corporation or individual. I mean, this could this could be done with individual. It's really really scary. When you think about it gives you an idea of the scale that we're talking about here how prevalent is dark money. I mean, when I hear the word stark, I think dark matter of the universe, right? There's definitely out there. We don't know how much how prevalent is dark money in politics today. I'm afraid you're right. We don't know exactly. How much there's really no way that we're ever going to know. Because a lot of it is is just not claimed by the groups who are spending it, but a group called issue. One recently since film came out issue one came out with a study where they stated that since two thousand and ten when citizens United came out there kind of measuring the effects of citizens United that over six hundred million dollars has been spent. Just by the top fifteen groups who are spending that. So the answer. Unfortunately, is is we don't know. I think it's important to notice that we aren't able to tell what the effect of that spending is until well after the elections that it was operating in right? I mean that money is being spent and it's getting people elected laws are being made Lahser being repealed. Our government is being changed in even if we find out now after the fact some eight years after citizens United has been passed with the ultimate impact of that money is I think it just kind of underlines how important this issue is that we don't know where this money is coming from the time during an election or a policy debate or to digital nomination when we should know where that money is coming from judicial nominations, just recently, we had the bread Kavanagh hearings. Basically looks like almost. Turned into a campaign where it was who can spend more who can get the message out whether to support or not specific nominee that campaign. I think you can call it. A campaign was being run primarily by five one c four dark money groups, and they were supporters of Kemba they were supportive ship back having out ten we're Senator confirm cavenaugh before that they were supporters of Neal Gorsuch in his nation. I have to say I'm one hundred percent comfortable with judge Gorsuch becoming a next court Justice. And before that they were posing the nomination of Merrick garland to that same seat. He could tip the ideological balance to create the most liberal supreme court in fifty years. It doesn't just happen on the right in this case that was a lot more money that came from the political right wing. One disturbing trend that I saw the cavenaugh nomination was the group's from the left sprang. They didn't spend nearly as much money. They spend about a tenth enough is enough is doesn't bode well that an additional supreme court nomination. Turns into a campaign why we have two dark money groups shouting out doesn't bode well for our elections when we just have a billionaire on the ride in a billion out on the left kind of shouting at each other. I mean, the real problem with this issue is that it pulls democratic power away from the individual voter and puts it back into the hands of couple of billionaires. You can buy all the ads in the case of Montana. We saw we've got a clip where the very fundamental thing that you expect to know which is who is the person that's writing the check is just something that escapes anyone in the state. Dark money is the advertising where you don't know who's paying for the ads. There's simply got to hold these up and say who's paying for this does anybody know anybody in these groups who's paying for this water. They kept into by. I'm a huge advocate of free speech, the right to be able to freely speak, but these groups were abusing that they had taken free speech, and they were speaking from the darkness. I don't know who they are how to fight him. I don't know how to argue with him. I can't debate them. I can't interview him. I can't pick up the phone and say, hey, what's your interest in candidate X because I don't know who they are. We'll never know when somebody has a profit motive and operating in politics, and they're taking over the political dialogue from a lot of individuals citizens whose voices get drowned out. I think that that's where the real travesty of this. Anonymous politics comes to play you mentioned earlier that the left is springing up. But sometimes as you point out in this documentary, it's the right attacking different parts of the right that even within the party that there can be campaigns to either support you or tear you down and support your competitor. Let's take a look at the way they want you to vote in the legislature. They will target you the next primary even if you're a conservative Republican. But if you don't vote the way they want you to vote them, they say, well, we're going to target you. And that's what they do. They send that all these mailings they exaggerate their voting records. They don't care if they lie. These things all came in at the last minute this election, my wife, and I probably got six seven eight of these every day the last month of the campaign, boom, here's one on taxes. Here's a lot on healthcare sex, Ed guns. And a lot of these groups. Nobody knows who they are. They call them dark money groups. And that's exactly what they are. How did Montana stop this Montana stopped it, I think because a couple people they happen to be Republicans who were attacked by other Republicans. They got really upset that the this was unfair. That folks weren't playing by the rules, and that they were being ambushed. It's kind of a western. You know response to this this being ambushed, but the group of Republicans got together with the democratic governor it took a couple of sessions to really push a Bill through. But they ended up passing. What was called the disclose act which called for? A bunch of different ways to understand where money is coming from and politics, and for these groups who are spending it to report it immediately and make it available online. So that's sort of transparency in elections. I think has has really helped clean up the elections in Montana lot. What's the role on a federal level for the US government figure out any semblance of a checker a balanced, we have a Federal Election Commission. Right. We have members from each party that sit there and they're supposed to write the rules of the road on how elections are run. Run P C, which is supposed to do that. As we talk right now. It only has four of six members one of the themes we follow in the film is the is the inefficacy is how the FCC is really hamstrung and unable to enforce campaign finance loan when I first got there to the I thought that we would be able to work together on issues such as disclosure and transparency. But it didn't take long to realize that wasn't going to happen. And the federal level. There's the FCC and then in each state. There's an agency that regulates the money in state politics in Montana. Commissioner of political practices is housed in this little house, really. It's a tiny little office. I doubt if there's a smaller office in state government. Very legislators that are investigated by the office determine its funding. So it's always been grossly underfunded. They never have enough people. They never have enough equipment. It's sort of the forgotten stepchild of Montana government. The tendency at that has been to polarize all of the voting issues all of the Republican members phone in a block, and though the whole enforcement agency is really really been stymied. That's important because it has really let dark money get out of control the efforts to create specific rules on how dark money has to be disclosed in federal races has been stymied. But that's also extremely important for just because of a couple of trends that have happened in the last couple election cycles. One is all of this campaign is moving online. It's moving to Facebook is moving into Twitter ads. It's moving to a a form of campaigning that is much harder to track and requires a lot of immediate attention as soon as possible. The second issue is the role of foreign money elections. We've heard a little bit about that with Muller investigation. There's there have been hints of the role of Russian oligarch money comes as we don't. We can't really state anything clearly about that. But I think it's a it's a question what the role of foreign money in our elections is and where it's coming from. And if we don't have the ability to track that. And a perfect vehicle to void tracking is of dark money group. If we don't have that. I think our democracy is really imperilled Kimberley Reid. Thanks so much. Thank you. So now that we know a little bit more about the darkness of that dog money in the complexity around trying to open up the oxygen to it. Let us check in with my last guest who is using his raise a wit and outside inside status to fire up debate around some of these pressing issues house on Manashe cut his comedy teeth on the day new show for Roche ously self identify as an Indian American Muslim in these fractious times last year, he made waves headlining for the White House correspondence did up where he took on the media's role in the age of Trump. He is a little bit of that speech. You guys have to be more perfect now more than ever because you are how the president gets his news nothing advisors. Not from experts not from intelligence agencies you guys. So that's why you gotta be on your eight game. You gotta be twice as good. You can't make any mistakes because when one of you messes up he blames your entire group. And now, you know, what it feels like to be a minority. So maybe they'll be getting their news from Hassan soon in his new next Netflix series Patriot Act. It expands shopping's these themes in a stand up format the series dropped this week. And I asked Hassan Menage how he'll stand out in a somewhat crowded field. And what he's trying to say for our times. Hassan. Manezh welcome to the program. Thanks for having me, first and foremost Patriot Act. Yes, why the title? Quite risky connotation, because it was the post nine eleven George W Bush essentially surveillance net. Yes. Yes. Well, for me what I thought was really interesting about it as two reasons I thought one it's an interesting throwback. If you know, you know, and obviously certain people know what they're like you brought that to Netflix. But then the other thing that I thought was really really interesting was. Currently, I think not only in America. But in the world there is this claiming of what it means to be a patriotic citizen of your respective country. And I thought it would be really interesting for someone like me a guy named hush who's an Indian American Muslim who's all of those things all at once sort of reclaiming that title. I just thought it would be really interesting. What actually it is? And the fact that you talk about the hyphens and you live between the high Fisher said, I'm an Indian American Muslim. Yeah. Which one is has precedence which one is dominant. All of them are important to me. And that's sort of the thing that I sort of bring to each headline pace as my perspective. Given those things why sometimes a lot of these stories are a little bit complicated for me to of the episodes of dropped already on Netflix unprecedented. Thirty two episode commitment, and you took on something that is really counter intuitive. It was the Saudi Arabian story. Yes. And you focus on the crown prince N B S now known all over the world. Thanks. To what the brutal murder of one of our colleagues Jamaica Shoji. Yes, why did you choose that for me? It was one of those things where again our relationship with Saudi Arabia. And I mean that both has an Indian as an American and a Muslim has always been extremely complicated. And it's unfortunate that the death of journalist this brutal murder was the thing that brought it to the life because just just so, you know, we have had this complicated. We've been taking Saudi Arabia to sword prom since FDR too. So problem, I love that. And it does seem to be like everybody says to us now. Well, we don't know whether we should sanction them what we have to thread, the needle sure you talked about the Jamaica kashogi Moda India in excruciating detail, and you you put out some sort of sound about prince NBS's reaction to that which I'm gonna play. Was shocked by all of the anger over the killing of one journalist. According to the Wall Street Journal on a phone call with Jared, Kushner, NBS asked why the outrage, and frankly, and the S's confusion is completely understandable. He's been getting away with like this for years with almost no blowback from the international community. It's comedy comedy. Yes. This again is the brutal motive one of our colleagues, and you're trying to thread the needle right between what's really out there. Yes. And doing it with a comic tone. Yes, it's tough. It can be. Yes, it can be very tough. You have to pick and choose your spots. And you have to say, okay. Where can I be sort of funnier? Interesting. Look, I think being funny is just the conduit to say what really is happening. Some of my favorite comedians of all time. The Richard Pryor's, Dave shells. They will have these incredibly serious model. Logs in their specials, and I really wanted to bring that to the political satire space since I've just interviewed Dave Chapelle. I wonder what it is that you take from him because while you're focusing on basically being an American Muslim. Yeah. He obviously has the voice of American black community. Correct. All use that underrepresented. Is it important to have him be his voice for the community gang. You'll be you'll voice for the community. Absolutely. I think it's one of those things where you can see it in the audience whenever you watch my shows live, or if you're actually in attendance at the tapings, the the most gratifying thing that I felt as when people say, thank you. Yes. I felt that way. But I've never been able to distill it in such a funny potent way. That's that's the beauty of comedy. You know, the world is very complicated and nuanced what we do is actually reductive. We we boil the world down into philosophical Espresso. That's funny. That's that's our job. What do you think? You'll bring that makes you stand out in a field of comedians who've been offered positions, and then had them acts one of you chief colleagues the head writer said that you want to get away from doing the daily Trump. Yes. Yes. I think what's happening right now in America. Trump is just a symptom of a larger problem, and I think talking about the larger issues that are at stake. So for example, I I on affirmative action. But affirmative action is something that's present in America. But a lot of countries around the world have these programs or initiatives, and it's a larger conversation on meritocracy who gets what. And why that to me is. So potent of the now, and it's gonna last a year from now or two years from now, and even if people disagree or don't believe what I'm saying. I'm I'm saying, hey, look, we took all this evidence. Here it is and twenty three minutes. And it's really funny take you can make your choice on it. You started. I believe you started on the daily show is I mean, that's pretty high. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you had hung Lau things considered. And Brown corner. Brown in town round in town. They go. Yeah. So I mean, you started being very self deprecating shining that so putting the dagger in the soda or sure what were you when you when you were there? We were you the only Muslim comedian at the time so awesome on V had been sort of transitioning out. And then I sort of came in it was sort of WWE style. He tagged out I came in. But it was one of those things where look again, I've always tried to say what's beautiful about comedy as an art form. It's your perspective. That is the most powerful thing if you can add that that's amazing. It's not easy being Muslim in America. Although weirdly of accuracy. Because I know. Is that easy? No. I mean, it's not easy because weirdly of all the western nations. Muslims are the most integrated in this country. Yes, where I come from Europe and other places they're still very very much silos. But for some reason, there is a much bigger tolerance. And yet there's also spikes of hatred and hate crimes we're now. Talking in the wake of really dramatic hate crimes. Whether it was the pipebombs that was sent to political opponents of the press, whether it was the slaughter of innocence in a synagogue in Pittsburgh or the killing of two American African Americans at Kroger store on in the last week alone. You have your own experience with that. Tell me what it was like for you and your family in the immediate aftermath of nine eleven right for my family coming out of September eleventh. It really was one of those life changing moments for me where you go from. Oh, you're in American. Maybe you're not understood people don't understand your identity or just because the shade of melon, and you have they're like, I don't know what you are. But I'm indifferent towards you two then on September twelfth sort of being public enemy number one of the United States that really really was really complicated in my relationship with America. How you even being actively and consciously Muslim before that? Sure. I mean, I've grown up as a Muslim. Yes. And I'm a practicing Muslim, I'm proud to be Muslim. But it's one of those things where it really sort of solidified, my understanding of oh, you're an insider, but you're also an outsider, and I didn't know until later that that actually could be my, you know. Marvel superpower in one of you ex homecoming king, you talk about something that you saw right after nine eleven we're going to play that I hear. Outside. Have you run outside and all the windows on the camera your smashed in? I look back in the middle of the street my dad's in the middle of the road sweeping glass out of the road. Like he works at like a hate crime barbershop. Like, most of them are getting you gotta clean this up. Then Brown Mr. Miaki, just like not saying word, I run onto my dad. Why aren't you saying something I'm not asking you say something? He looks at me. And he goes Hudson. Cheese at the Houghton. Or get cheese at wing it. These things happen in these things will continue to happen. That's the price we pay for being you describe it as your American dream tax. Yes. What is that? Yes. The American tax is something that I think a lot of immigrants feel that. It's especially if you're first generation or a child of first generation immigrants that hey, you're coming to a new place. So it's not yours. So what you do is you pay this American dream tax for being there. That's your cost of entry. And if you endorse some racism, we'll hey that's part of the game as long as you don't die that. Hey, it's okay. That's the tax you pay for being here. And for me that that part of my show is really the cognitive framework. I bring a lot of what I do in my art is it's the difference between pragmatism and optimism. So all you speaking to your community, or are you speaking to the general American population? I'm speaking of both. I think the thing that is really powerful about comedy is being able to speak to something that a lot of people experience, and then to have people who may have not. Experienced that go. Oh, I've never thought of it that way before. But I think the underlying feeling is the same. We've all felt like outsiders at some point. We've all felt like we haven't been accepted. Did you imagine? Always it just, you know, par for the course that after this experience on the twelfth of September two thousand and one. You would have seen this again. Let's say in twenty seventeen when President Trump was inaugurated and immediately there was the Muslim ban. What did you think about that? What did your family? How does your family internalize it? And I think giving you had again a personal experience because your mom was quote outside. Yeah. Right. So she was traveling at the time. It's one of those things where look these unfortunate events do flare up, and it really does affect you. Where were you? You think to yourself have we made progress I thought we we are able to work past this. And sometimes you're like, I guess not. Comedy is the only way I've been able to really talk about it and what did your family? How did you sort of kick into give when this Muslim ban was announced? I mean, did you had to get your mom home? Right. Right. So she was in India. But it was one of those things where. I really thought to myself. I can't we can't guarantee that she's going to be able to come back. Of course, she was able to come back. But can you imagine how she been visiting my grandmother and say, Syria or Iraq or one of many countries that are part of that band. She might not being short, Ron. Yeah. Totally what you do is. Obviously the intersection of comedy journalism politics, the laws. What gets you the most right now about the political atmosphere? We're living in right now this minute. I think there's two things I think the disagreement on what objective reality is is really really hard. It's really hard to have a conversation. I grew up. I was a high school as a speech and debate kit. I was a forensics kid and one year debating there is objective reality that you agree upon and then you're on one side of the issue. I'm on the other. But if we can't agree on what objective reality is no debate is possible. And then I think the second is is just the death of nuance. That's really, you know, something can be awful and amazing all at once. There is a lot of debate in every walk of life now about where the metoo movement is and within not just women female circles. But obviously men, you know, looking at this, right? Some people think there's just a backlash going on that people angry about the metoo movement. And wondering what this means going forward. So if it's Louis CK who did what he did. Yeah. I'm consensually exhibited himself sexually to these women as he's being accused of energy admitted and he comes back. How should he I mean, I don't believe that necessarily one should be banished for life or punish for live? Right. Have a life sentence. But when he came back, he didn't really acknowledge it. He didn't really apologize. And so he's first outing was a negative one. In terms of the broader communities understanding sure pound notes in the comedy club because he got. A standing ovation, right? Stand up comedy is one of the Ross purist art forms. So I would hope that it gets addressed in some capacity that the artists address. And this is like it is the ultimate platform to have that discussion. And so I would certainly hope that they address it through their art. Someone told me this one of our writers on the show. I remember asking we were just having this debate in in. I was we were sort of riffing back and forth about this whole sort of philosophical debate. How do we engage with people that have had otherwise questionable decisions they've made in the past and to the varying degrees to which we publicly Judah Kate those things she said something that stuck with me for a long time. She said why do they deserve a second chance. When other women have been given it first. And so I'm more interested in playing offense. This is actually goes back to what my dad taught me to be pragmatic about the American dream. What about all those other dreams that we can cosign? Give me the go fund me linked because I will drop the paper for it that to me is far more interesting than taking up our mental and Twitter space on where do we fall on them? Are they cancelled are they not where are the other pilots that we can green might right now. And someone give me the hyperlinked. So I can send some money right now. So we can get those pilots on there. That's far more interesting to me. I wouldn't you agree. I don't know. Yeah. And I also you brought up social media and all. The Twitter and all the rest of it. I mean, clearly we're living in a moment where circuiting this suspect in the Pittsburgh synagogue, Scher slaughter is believed to have been radicalized by just being on being on social media to a great extent sets the initial initial findings. I mean, this technology this freedom of speech level that we all thought was just such a great outlet for everybody. Where do you come down on that? Because there is again a mounting backlash against that. I mean, it's an abuse of the use of of this techno, even even the great techno CEO's and found is having a real hard time. Rain back in the monster that they've created cynicism. Nihilism is very popular especially on the internet. I do I do think this I've gotten some advice from other comedians. This is something that a piece of advice that I got from a mentor of mine who I who. I really really appreciate he said there's a lot of heat that's being generated right now. A lot of noise. There's this many scripted shows on on television. There's there's this many tweets per minute. So many hours of content are being uploaded every day on YouTube every minute every second a lot of heat. Not a lot of light. And when people see light truth like really, powerful stuff, a beautiful song or a poem or a joke that lucid aches truth light. It really is beautiful. And that's my job. I aspire to do that for the rest of my career Hassan me knowledge, Patriot Act on that flakes. Thanks so much. Thanks so much. So we bag that we want more light less heat. And of course, some do say that comedy is the best remedy for these troubled times. 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October 31, 2018: Hour 2

"From NPR and WB. You are I'm Jeremy Hobson. I'm Robin young. It's here now in Pittsburgh today. Funerals are being held for three more of Saturdays eleven shooting victims yesterday, President Trump came to pay his respects despite some local officials asking him to wait until after the services. He was welcomed by some but the family of shooting victims seventy one year old Daniel Stein, declined visit with the president because as an F you said of the president's comments about how the shooting might not have happened had there been an armed security guard and the president encountered several hundred protesters, including squirrel hill. Resident Reverend Susan Rothenberg. President Trump said he couldn't hear the protesters tonight in Florida. Trump begins his final campaign push of eleven rallies in the next six days before the midterm elections are political strategists are with us now, Jamal Simmons democrat and hosted hill TV high Jamal are you doing well and John Bray bender Republican strategists, John? Hello. So we'll talk about what happened in Pittsburgh in just a moment. But, but I want to I talk about the midterms because they are just a few days away and house minority leader Nancy Pelosi was on the CBS late show last night with Stephen Colbert and made a prediction the Democrats will take the house on Tuesday or she is. Don't say that. Do you want to say that on on Hilary's fireworks barge that she canceled? Okay. Let's ask you to Jamal do agree or disagree that the Democrats are going to take the house. I'm a little bit like Colbert, we should knock on some wood here. But every indicator light here points to a democratic victory. The question is how big that victory will be I am still one who thinks there will be new things like not just the house, but also some governors mansions and some state legislatures that we cannot predict that will turn out in Democrats favor. John well, first of all on the Republican side, the more we if we could get Nancy Pelosi on all the stations all day long work. We're all for it. Because it seems the fire up our base at least quite a bit. But look, historically, we know that whether it's a Republican or democrat president two years into their terms. The other party does. Well, I think there's no reason to believe that history is not going to repeat itself. The question is to what level I do think that the house majority is certainly in play. I would not be terribly shocked, if the Democrats won the majority on the other hand, I do think the Democrats are going to lose seats in the Senate. And so it's going to result in a sort of mixed control of government. And with that's going to result is even more gridlock that we've than we've ever seen in recent history. And I think we're going to see the house particularly decide that they're real going life is to be a thorn into side of the president can take a look at some of those Senate races. You mentioned John, but Jamal said, you know, anything could happen in point we've seen in the last two weeks, can you know, two weeks ago, we were seeing the Republican rebound after the cavenaugh hearings. Then in the last week, we've seen a pipe bomb mail campaign from Trump supporter a shooting a targeting of blacks by white man in Louisville Kentucky, a slaughter of Jews at a synagogue on. Fox News Monday night, President Trump referred to the twenty fifteen Charleston, South Carolina church shooting. This is when we remember the white supremacist Dylann roof slaughtered, the black congregants and the president said the media is now unfairly blaming him for the current violence. They didn't do that with President Obama with the church the horrible situation with the church. They didn't do that. They put my name in the headlines, John it's not a little bit tone deafness. I mean, you know, the Charleston shooter was motivated by racial hatred. He he would've shot President Obama if he'd been in network he wasn't all motivated by him. Well, but look, I do think we are cherry picking here. I mean, nobody sat there and said my gosh, it was a Bernie Sanders supporter that shot Steve's Kalisa. And there's this is all Bernie Sanders did and he did Bernie Sanders immediately stood up and said and disavowed the violence, whereas President Trump really hasn't the president had the fact that he did go to Pittsburgh. And by the way, I actually lived in squirrel hill for a number of years. A good friend of mine's a brothers were both killed in that that shooting. And you know, I see the criticism that the president showed up for funerals, and I just I'm perplexed by this. Because what that symbolizes is that this wasn't just a Pittsburgh tragedy. This was a national tragedy that we should all stand up together and be unified in in talking about the horri- shooting and the best way to do that is for a president of the United States to actually show up be there and show his sympathy. And yet we see a lot of Democrats criticizing them for going. And we all know if he didn't go they would be just as loud criticizing saying. Oh my gosh. He's turning the other way, not even carrying it up to show up to go to Pittsburgh. We'll join first of all my condolences here friend. I think that in his family. I think that this in all the families. I think that this is something that the president was asked even by people who were comfortable with him coming in general. He was asked just delay a few days the problem with the president again, it's not the things always. The things that he does. But it's the tone that it is that he has its sim sow seems to somehow always circle back around to what's good for him. Not what's good for the country. I am struck that when the pipe bombs were sent to all the people Democrats and media, Oregon CNN a couple of weeks ago that when that happened the president didn't reach out to President Clinton and President Obama and say, Mr. presidents, I'm with you. I'm your guy the countries with you. We're gonna make sure you're protecting. Nobody should have called them. Right. I remember very vividly in nine eleven when Bill Clinton was stuck somewhere. George W Bush sin an airplane air force jet to go get him and bring him back because that's what you do in a moment of national crisis as you reach out to your political opponents, and you bring them together, but the country and Donald Trump did not do that. I was critical this president. When I thought he was silent after Charlottesville where he did not stand up and say, look racism is something we are not going to tolerate on a fashion. We have to stand up as one this is a new, you know, he did not do that. He did at least do that quick enough. And I was very critical. He has not said he is not said to the white supremacist effect. We said, I am a white nationalist, David Duke said congrats nationalist, David Duke, said great. He's a white nationalist the president has to rebuke. Those people say. They do not want you to support. I do not want you to be involved. I don't want you to kill people. I don't want you to anything John. Yeah. He he did immediately come out, and and stand up and say that which showed to the nation that where he is. But again, I see this cherry picking. I'll give you a good example Steve king congressman from IRA rightfully is under attack for some of his comments that could be perceived as racist. The head of the national Republicans congressional committee came out and attacked him. Even though that's a very important race for the majority of the of the house yet last night at a debate Senator Joe Donnelly in Indiana came out with comments that could only be seen and perceived as extremely racist. Yet. I have not anybody on the door. Okay. Let me let me let me just come in there for a second because I've been reading this story about Joe Donnelly last night, and what he said is our state directors. Indie American, but he doesn't amazing job our director of all constituent services. She's African American, but she doesn't even more incredible job than you could ever imagine it isn't their race or their religion. It's the incredible person that they are I I get how you could see that the, but there, and I want to ask you about that at the same time in the context of everything that President Trump has said calling people animals, you know, making comments that are that are in my view. I mean, I don't know Jamaa. What do you think? It's I think Senator Donnelly was a little tone deaf with his language, and he should be admonished for that at the same time. The point of his statement was to give credit an honor to the people who was working with the point of Donald Trump's statements when he talks about the caravan coming up from the south and sending five thousand troops to the border for something. That's not even a crisis to do that the point is to stoke fear. In the American public, and frankly, stoke racial animus, and that is the thing that we cannot ignore. So I don't I don't say Donald Trump is responsible for the attack of the synagogue or for the pipebombs. But now he knows what gla car when he when he sets the tone that he sets he everything he has done since then will be his responsibility because he knows what can happen with the words. Well, we just wanna make sure that we've noted we mentioned we're going to look at a Senate race. And there are Democrats who are distancing Sinn distancing themselves mother. Democrats. Let's take a look at that, Missouri. Senate race you've got Claire mccaskill up against state Attorney General John Josh Holly here is mccaskill on Fox News explaining why she's wearing those radio ads, and she talks about the crazy Democrats. Let's listen crazy. Democrats are people who walk in restaurants and scream and elected officials faces we have a state Senator here in Missouri. That actually advocated for the assassination of President Trump. That's a crazy democrat Jamal. There are. Many Republican voters in Trump supporters who are seeing groups of people protesting going into restaurants. He kinda verbally assaulting people, and they are feeling beleaguered and they are feeling under attack. Oh, Democrats day are such snowflakes. They have stood up. Which is considered themselves candidates or been pub or elected to public office, and because constituents come up to them and complain about the problem that they see in the country in and their complicity. They are upset that has nothing to do someone yelling at you at dinner is not commiserate with someone sending a pipe bomb to you in the mail or attacking us in Johnson. These people. John some he would say these people are unaccessible any other way. Yeah. Well, look, I think that I think anybody that shows up for a protest at an appropriate place is a great American. They're they're they're taking they're American rights and there I met a right? And they're doing something about it to start physically and verbally a cost not physically when they are in private space, not physically there has been many cases where it has been some on Trump supporters have been beaten a lot of different places. I'm just saying I'm starting to wonder if some foreign agent, I say this ingest, but ages has put something in the water where we've all gone crazy. I don't think this is a democrat or for. Really? In two thousand and three writer, John Ghada wrote a powerful essay about a young man who committed suicide in Las Vegas. John ultimately submitted that essay to the San Francisco magazine the believer. And thus was launched a seven-year, holy war over facts to Ghada, an SAS said facts could be fluid. It was the impact of the story that mattered. His fact checker Jim fingle took a binary approach. Something was a fact or it wasn't and facts were sacred soon. Fingle produced ninety pages of inaccuracies, which the two turned into a book with Email exchanges like the following one read by our colleagues fingle questions, John and the time John said it took for the poor young jumper to hit the ground. John goddess said, it was nine seconds. But the Karner said it was eight. Yeah, I've fudged that it doesn't seem like it should be a big deal though. It's only a second. And I needed him in the fall for nine seconds rather than aid in order to help make some of the maters themes in the work. John changing details about. Stuff like Tabasco sauce, bottles and thermometers is one thing. But seems a tad unethical to fiddle with details that relate directly to the kid's death. I don't think it's unethical, particularly because I wasn't alone in assuming his fall took nine seconds for a while. I was parents also assumed that he had fallen for nine seconds. But now, you do know better. So shouldn't it change nine is two integral part of the at this point. And I admit that I'm wrong about nine later on anyway. So the essays not changing it would ruin the essay it would ruin it to make it more accurate. Yep. Now. Those emails have been turned into the Broadway. Play lifespan of a fact with powerhouse actors, Bobby carnival as writer, John Ghada, Harry Potter. I mean, Daniel Radcliffe as fact checker Jim fingle and cherry Jones as an editor refereeing. The to the seven years of fact-finding has been condensed into twenty four hours in which the three are trapped in an apartment like caged Cougars, battling sometimes physically over the meaning of facts as a de. Headline looms which side will win will editor Jerry Jones, publish it. We never find out. We met up backstage with all three before recent matinee. As veterans of the stage. Can you feel what we felt in the audience last night people on the edge of their seat? It's like I don't want to try to outdo the critics here with describing this. But I came up with a pistol, Larry pugilist them. Yeah. Thank you. It feels like we're at almost a fight or a debate. Yeah. We'll have to have. I just have to take a moment. And just really acknowledged the I just was referred to as a veteran actor in the company of easy for the first time. Thank you. That's awesome. And yeah, I mean, I I've never done a play before that has an argument at the center of it to feel that going backwards and forwards every night is really special. Unlike some nights feel the audience finding me particularly irritating at a certain moment, some of Jim's quibbles like make the audience go up this guy's being ridiculous. But actually like then no in in my head. They are not ridiculous. I find like FIS you up to go. Okay. I have to have to try and win this even mole Bobby do you feel that because? There was a guy behind me last night. I don't know if you guys could hear this. He kept going. Yeah. Did when when you would make a point. Did you feel that sometimes we do like any good play? You know, the events of the play have to be the biggest events of the characters on stages lives in the sense. And I think it works best. When the three of us are fighting for it with all our lives cherry. Explain your character. Because the character isn't in the book, but there is an editor. Well, it's funny because Jim fingle in John God who we've been seeing a lot of because they've come to the show many times. In fact, last night when I said the first line of the play is okay, Jim fingle. I heard people actually laughed, and it was when I left the last night. Jim fingle was standing there with thirty literally thirty of his relatives who've flown in from. Over the country. But and and I when I opened the book that which they kindly gave us for opening night. Jim's comment was man, we could've used you. You your character as this sort of what the soul of the argument? I don't know if it's the she's the soul of the argument, but she's the one who has to make the decision and she so desperately wants to publish it. Because she really thinks it will help at this moment in time. But at the same time, she is a journalist. And dammit, dammit every night is I come down to the moment of the play. Where a decision has to be made you and your character have not made up their mind until the moment. I reached for the phone. It's who convinces me this awesome. You if you publish sale in every night. Now, this guy that's going to be Paul post show debriefing bring money. You know, what fingle wrote in my book? Thanks for having John's back talking about that when your character. John Gato is saying things like yeah. There are thirty one strip clubs but thirty four is a better number. So I like that number. My head was exploding. You can't do that. It's bad for all journalism. Whether it's an essay or news from between an essay at a piece of writing in a newspaper. There's no difference. A fact in effect on my God, we're having the play. There is a difference in an artistic piece being written an essay, you know. What would you say about the Greek histories? What would you say about in cold blood? I would say, Dan, you're you're smiling Daniels character Jim would say if it's thirty one strip clubs. You can't make it thirty four because you've liked the way that number sounds. You've obviously decide your character is not a bad guy where in real life guy. Anyways. Just he's a writer. He's an artist life. He he has said that the real writer has said, oh my God. I'm like the devil's spawn to some people people just destroyed him then they continue to. Oh, so I don't think it's fair. John doesn't work for the Washington Post. He was not writing articles foods and writing articles for the New York Times. He's he's a luminated the lives of people who normally would never be written about that follows it a long line of tradition. Why all of a sudden because we're in such a controversial time we're going to just say all these artists you can't do that anymore that brings us to present day. And you're all aware that there's a moment in the play where baba your character. John Gato has a line in most of the lines are straight out of the real life interaction. There's a whole world defects to choose from the wrong facts get in the way of the story says the wrong facts, what does that mean exactly what to be aware that we have a presidential spokesperson Kellyanne Conway who spoke of alternative facts, you're nodding Jerry interesting because there's a beautiful speech about the importance of facts in democracy, and it frequently gets applause, the argument is basically that if you're reading something or watching something and you find even one thing to be untrue in it the whole. Thing can full of fee you and you'll trust new relationship without thing. You know, there's one point in the play where would debates about the length of time this person fell for that's one of those moments that the audience is kind of going oh, come on. Clearly, you all going to fall. This is not a difference. That math is Jim wants to publish this essay. He is convinced that by making it true. You will also make it move you to full inherently. But it is irritating at certain point. Jim fingle does start to feel like one headline said a little bit crazy. I think Jim's failing in the play is that he con- differentiate between the things that are really like, you know, that's the case of picking your battles. He becomes more and more entrenched as the argument between him and John gets more intense. You do both become the divided United States in a way, you know, over this issue of facts and cherry again there. You are in the middle talk about. The physicality on the stage. I mean, there's there's heat up there. There is an effect. I left a little more heat hat me last night. I was slow on an entrance. Let's. When they were strangling each other. Yes, yes. I'm really know winning that fight. The US strangling Daniel. Okay. Yeah. It does go to those extremes because these two men care so much in it is in that sense, where we are is a nation right now of of what facts mean to a hate to say, the either side, and I just can't believe we're talking about our country that way, but Daniel you actually got a taste of this. She went to the New Yorker, and you were fact checker for a day apparently handshaking on your red pen when you made a call you had to call the restaurant tour after someone wrote a review so you had to check the description of the food as I was doing. I was like, well, I guess every ingredient mentioned is a fact so I'm just going to have to ask him about every single ingredient that has mentioned it, and it's only missed one. They were ready to hire him on the spot. Oh, that's very it's just the fact you miss got remember now again, it was the s on restaurant. Oh, yes. Yes. I didn't underline restaurants, which I should have because I should have. If it wasn't facts, plural. And he had had two previous restaurants or one previous restaurant. I have to ask you all are actors. You've all been written about do you come away from this play feeling better about the press? More frightened about the press on my God. If there are only thirty one strip clubs, and we writing thirty four you've got a read, listen, see with your eyes as much as you possibly can in these days that check and fact check to be honest, there's such a huge Gulf in my head between like the people that write silly stories about me in England. And like the people who's done is stopping the world from falling apart that I don't even think of them as being the same job. I I know we've been talking about this plaza an argument play ultimately the truth is we need both. No, one of us is right. We'll let the failure in both volcanic is. There's no sense of compromise or working with the other little recognition that the other could have a point both of what we need going forward in the actual real world. And I both you mean the sweeping beautiful the story. I think your character says Bobby that can change the world. I just want to say that just because you have a website, and you hire a bunch of people to write stories doesn't make you a journalist. And I think we're just so accustomed now to be able to having all these options, but the all the options aren't good. And a lot of them are erroneous. They're motivated by other interests. And I think we just have to have more commonsense. And people like John D gutter. He's an artist, and he's always had a place historically in the culture and to blame. John Ghada for doing. What has been done for thousands of years because of the stupidity going on in the country and in the world. I think is a disservice to art actors Bobby kind of I'll cherry Jones and Daniel Radcliffe battle over facts in the terrific, new Broadway. Play lifespan of a fact way here now dot org. This message comes from NPR's sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. A number of companies are reporting quarterly earnings this week, and among all the data about profits and losses. We're seeing something else. Some companies are beginning to raise prices Coca Cola, Sherwin Williams and Steve Madden are just a few. Household brands, you may notice getting a bit more expensive, and that news has some analysts worrying about inflation for the first time in years. Let's bring in Mike Regan senior editor Bloomberg news. I mike. Hi, robyn. So we've been bracing for higher prices. Because of the tariffs going into effect. But we also have this robust economy. Can you first explain why rising prices often come hand in hand with an economy that gets too hot? Well, a lot of it goes to wages as wage pressure picks up that increases companies costs and to some degree. They press what they can onto consumers and one of the spots words really strong lately is in transportation and freight. There's more or less a shortage of truckers in this country in part because of the strong labor market. There's better opportunities. Elsewhere and also there's newer regulations that cut down on the amount of hours truckers can actually drive. So that's a big part of it. That said it tariffs. Certainly are a big part is especially some of the examples. You've cited for rising prices Coca-Cola cited the the cost of aluminum, Home Depot is passing on a twenty. Percent increase in the price of washing machines to consumers, and there's plenty of examples like that to two point two tariffs as well. Well, and they have some companies thinking about relocating Steve Madden. It's the shoe company said they might try to move up rations out of China to avoid paying the duties. So what what could we see an exodus of factories may be going to Mexico, which the whole hope was to bring them here. Right. I don't know about a mess exodus. Ed Rosenfeld the CO. Steve Madden said something else. He said we can't just flip a switch and move everything out of China. And I think that's indicative of what executives across the country are doing right now trying to determine if these tariffs are permanent thing, or if maybe there's something that goes away with the new congress or there's pushback against President Trump. So they are looking at offshoring to other countries. Steve Madden mentioned in Mexico. Brazil Italy Vietnam Portugal. India, maybe even Cambodia. So it certainly something CEO's are looking at. But it's it's a big deal to move your production out of a country. So I wouldn't expect it to happen overnight. Big airlines like delta and JetBlue in American are raising prices. They say fuel costs are up forty percent. So what are we talking about here? Well, with big airlines they're going to face some pressure in actually passing on those fuel costs to consumers because airlines have had it added a lot of capacity over recent years. So it's a very competitive market. So the damage there will likely be more to airlines own profits. Rather than passing on one hundred percent of the fuel costs on the consumers the mic just to make sure we've underscored what we begin speaking about. Are you saying that American consumers are paying really as these prices go up for the tariffs that were levied to punish other countries? Yes. In many cases, they are. You know, no surprise as predicted by pretty much everyone. In a lot of cases, they are asking Mike Regan senior editor of Bloomberg news. Thank you so much. Thank you, Robin. We've talked a lot about what next week's elections mean for control of congress. But voters will also be casting ballots for the representatives at the state level. So what's at stake in state house races around the country? Tim story is director of state services at the national conference of state legislatures. Itim oh, thank you for having me on. And when you look right now at the state, legislatures Republicans control sixty seven out of the ninety nine the reason, by the way that there are ninety nine is because one state Nebraska does not have both the house and Senate. They only have one chamber, but the Democrats only control thirty two why are Republicans so dominant at the state level. Well, well, the straight answer is that they've been successful in previous elections. They've run candidates that have fared well. And and you know, they they they did quite well in the Obama presidential midterms and really had they've had three consecutive strong elections and four. Consecutive strong elections. So in the states if you factor in both the legislatures and the governors as well, it's more Republican than pretty much in American history. You know, there were few more seats in nineteen twenty and nineteen twenty eight. But in terms of chambers of legislatures. This is the most Republican dominance in the state governments in American history. And what is the consequence of that? What is that meant for Republicans to have that kind of control? Well, they run on issues like lowing lowering taxes, they certainly also run on issues like immigration reform, some of the social issues around abortion rights and things like that. So they have they have done exactly what they said, they were going to do they have been very aggressive on implementing issues around abortion, and and certainly on taxes and spending in terms of cutting taxes and and lowering taxes around the country. So, you know, the the states have been active in policy-making on issues like education public safety. Health care at a time when Washington has really been gridlock, and we've had very little policy and coming from Washington on the federal level. And so the Republicans have really put their premature on those policies in the states. They also get to at least every ten years draw the maps for congressional districts, which gives Republicans and edge if they've got the control of these state houses that is correct. And in a handful of states, there's some sort of a commission or a group that does it outside the legislature, but predominantly it's the legislatures that draw the US congressional lines and in most cases, their own state legislative lines. That's another reason the Republicans are in such good shape in the states is that they had a very successful state election cycle in two thousand and ten which meant that they were in control of many state houses for the twenty ten cycle of redistricting. And they took full advantage of that. By the way, the Democrats also take full advantage of redistricting when they are able to do. So it's not a it's not one party necessarily doing that. And and so they drew lines that were quite fair. Rable in those have held up throughout the decade. But yes, the the twenty twenty cents this is right around the corner. And this is kind of the first election that tees that up, and of course, the twenty twenty election itself will be the big cahuna for redistricting. Right. But this one about an eighth of the people who are elected this year are going to play a role at least that many are going to play a role in drawing those maps in two years. That's right. Jeremy that there are over eight hundred legislative seats that will be filled less than a week from now by legislators legislative candidates who will be directly involved in redistricting as well as thirty four governors who have four year terms, we're going to be elected next Tuesday. And you know, that that has a an effect that goes beyond just two years or policy making in the next legislative sessions in two thousand and twenty one, but the redistricting can have a lasting impact throughout the rest of the next decade. So what are things looking like this year? What are the Democrats chances of taking back control of? Some of these statehouses well from the very beginning. We knew that this would be a democratic opportunity year. They would have the wind at their backs. That would be an uphill battle for Republicans for a variety of reasons. Republicans control about fifty six percent of all legislative seats, and as you pointed out almost two-thirds of all the legislative chambers legislatures around the country, so they're sort of in a tough position where they're basically playing defense around the country. And there's also this very strong historic trend about a strong of a trend in politics as you'll find anywhere, which is since nineteen hundred so going back twenty nine midterm election cycles, the party in the White House loses seats in state legislatures in twenty seven of those twenty nine midterm elections. So the party out of the White House is almost always looking to make up ground to gain seats, and legislatures as well as in the US house, and it looks like that's where it's gonna head this time. The Democrats are running more candidates than they've run in thirty years. They have raised a tree. Lendus amount of money unprecedented amount of money that they're putting into legislative campaigns around the country. So, you know, Republicans are not exactly mailing it in there fighting hard for the the majorities that they have in cu- and states legislatures. But, but it's really the the Democrats who sort of have the momentum when we've been traveling around the country talking about congressional races. I've been surprised, although maybe I shouldn't have been that a lot of people don't know who their member of congress is they do know that they're going to vote for either a democrat or Republican in many cases, but what about state legislators due to most people know who they're voting for or do. They just end up voting party line. Well, sad to say most of them do not know who their voting for. I mean, they might sorta here the names or if they're a target voter. They're certainly getting inundated with mailers, and in some cases TV ads, even you know, widely broadcast TV ads and some of these legislative races. But, you know, despite the fact that legislatures budget over three trillion dollars in public money tax money every year. And despite the fact that they're setting policy on education, and and criminal Justice crime and punishment on health care on immigration on the environment. Very few people know who their state legislature to our is. And and who those candidates are. In fact, it's less than fifteen percent. So it's woefully low. It's it's, you know, probably not much better for the US house. So you know, we would encourage people these are extraordinarily important not just because of the upcoming redistricting. But also because of what states do and and then to your point it, then it does sort attorney. Into something of a referendum on the parties. And one of the biggest issues for legislative candidates is is President Trump. So give us an example of a state house race, that's really tight somewhere in the country and a sense of what's at stake. Well, there there are a number of them. There are several states senates where just a change of one seat will change control of the chamber in Maine and Minnesota in Colorado in Minnesota, there's one special election, and it's for all the marbles whichever party wins that will control the Minnesota Senate. And right now, the Minnesota houses Republican there's a race for governor. So that's also on about. So this one race which has had seen close to a million dollars in campaigning. It's a heavily Republican district. But if it goes one way or the other, you know, that party will control how much do the parties get involved in these races the parties in Washington did they jump in? With their money and say we want this person to win we want that person to win more than ever. So particularly on the democratic side. The Democrats learned from getting shellacked in two thousand ten by the way that was Barack Obama's where we got shellacked down ballot and these legislative races. And of course, they paid the price because of the redistricting advantage Republicans had so in this cycle, particularly the democratic side. They have really ramped up their fundraising and their distribution in the sophistication of how they spend that money how they do you know sort of voter registration projects. Get out the vote projects the proverbial ground game. But also big time outside TV buys things. You would see in congressional races. You now see fairly commonly in pivotal state legislative races. And that is being supported heavily by national party operations. And so it's not just the Democrats. They've just increased fairly substantially from where they were just a few years ago. They're now paying a lot more attention to the. State races. But both parties are going all in on these races. You said President Obama said shellacked. I remember President George W Bush called the losses that he faced a thumping. I think maybe it's now something that the president has to do is come up with a word for that first midterm election. If it doesn't go well for their party. Yeah. You yeah. That's a great. That's a great point that, you know, if the Republicans really taken on the Channon, and it turns into a really bad night a large democratic night then. Yeah. They'll have to get creative. Get the word Smith's generating. The dismal words that is analogous with thumping and shellacking Tim story director of state services at the national conference of state legislatures. Thank you so much. Oh, my pleasure. Thank you for having me. I'm doubting the word we'll be trumping. Female surfers competing at the sport's highest level canal finally win as much prize money as their male counterparts after a hard one change in the rules of the world surf league, which took effect this month. And to these women it's been a long time coming here. Now, Chris Bentley reports. Earlier this year Bianca Valenti took on a forty foot wave at the Puerto Escondido Cup for the first time women were allowed to compete in one of Mexico's biggest surf competitions and Valenti took first place. But a prize money was a fraction of what she would have won. If she were a man, I one I think one thousand eight hundred fifty dollars in my male counterpart, one seven thousand two surfers that money makes a big difference. So like with that seven thousand dollars, you know, he can afford to go serve some more really good big waves and improve his performance. Whereas for me, you know, that just covered the expenses of that trip. It's a familiar story for women in surfing, and it's why Valenti co-founded committee for equity and women's surfing. The group has been calling for equal prize money for years and just this month. They got it. The world surf league recently announced that women and men will get the same prize money starting with the twenty nine thousand nine season. It's already feels like a huge weight is lifted and feels really good not to have to fight because it's a crappy thing to have to fight for Valenti says the financial support will be a game changer. What I'm so excited for is his see women's surfing just skyrocket in terms of performances because that's what's going to happen. Equal prize money is a milestone for the sport. But the push for women's equality and surfing goes back to before twenty nine year old Valenti was even born Jericho poplar helped start the women's international surfing association. She's been competing in and winning surf championships since the nineteen sixties. And she says it used to be common for men to bully women off the weights I had to show the guys that I could I could stand up and and be just as toughest and strong as they were. I'd be out in the water and guys take off in front of you and try to make you crash. I just didn't let it face me today at sixty seven years old poplar is still surfing. And she says the fight for. Women's equality is tied in with another longstanding effort and professional surfing, the push to get the sport in the Olympics. The two thousand twenty summer games in Tokyo will be the first to include surfing poplar says she remembers talking about getting serving in the Olympics as far back as the nineteen sixties. So we're talking over fifty years ago, and the sport is grown up and come a long way, the women have come a long way. And I'm proud of all that. And I'm proud to be a part of it between equal prize money for women and the Olympics surfing's having a major moment says surfer, Diana dean. She runs the international surfing Ziam in Huntington Beach, California fifty percent of the people that come in. Here are from outside of the US. It truly is a tribe of surfers. I would say that it's getting more and more popular. Down at the Huntington beach. Pier. Peter Roman nuke is taking his eight-year-old son PD twelve year old daughter Juliana to catch some waves. Both of them started surfing when they were to Giuliana that does by juju has heard the news about equal pay. And she says it's a good time to be a surfer, whatever your gender the same. They have equal pay. Now so Neo. They get like sixty in the what it was now they're getting hundred thousand. Yeah. Everyone's a lot more stoked about it. She might be stoked because she plans to win some of that prize money some day as a professional surfer. And so does her little brother Hedy and juju are on the same page there? But they disagree on. How exactly to describe what it feels like to ride a big wave? It's like flying water newly fly on. No, it's like flying on lighting on water. But it's like your fun now. The young surfers father Peter has been surfing in southern California for forty years. So he knows something about competing for waves with serving more popular than ever his kids might face more competition than he did. But at least juju in PD will win equal prize money if they make it for here. Now, I'm Chris, Ben Lee, okay, cue, the spooky music. That's carry. All right. Well, today's the day millions of kids and kids in heart dress up for Halloween. So what might you see tonight? Google's fright Geist index tracks internet searches around the country to predict the most popular costume and this year characters from the battle royale video game fortnight top the list for night was very positive. I guess in two thousand seventeen Jeremy I'm not sure about this. But I'm told beware of skull troopers and dark voyagers on your doorstep and then Spidey spider-man's number two goals list. So the most searches in Minneapolis and Meridian Mississippi, though, cities will be crawling with Spike's a number three the unicorn, our friend McKenzie's pick. It's going to be big in Montgomery, Alabama. Traverse city Michigan where it was the most sought out cost to and it's going to be huge. At least one house in Boston where MacKenzie lose cool. Anyone from the eighties is big and Phoenix in San Francisco and on the morning shows the today show and GM may they went eighties. But if you want to stand out. Luke Skywalker is hopefully down at number three hundred really it's very sad. Google puts it you have a shockingly low chance of running into another Luke Skywalker tonight. How his star has fallen. We will be going exhausted people, you know, I saw somebody dresses prince it was the best costume I've seen so far this year. Good idea the other day, I saw a casual night. He was someone who'd made like a Knight's costume on the top and on the bottom. They had like short since you have to be careful because you don't want to be something. That's so difficult that the reaction is no. Oh, yeah. Renault's production of NPR and WVU are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. I'm scared me Hobson. It's your.

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Ep. 238 - The Cold Civil War

The Michael Knowles Show

47:59 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 238 - The Cold Civil War

"Can we all just get along or Americans in the midst of a cold civil war as Democrats amp up their assault against noted, cocaine, kingpin, Mitch, McConnell, and all of the other Republicans, he represents conciliatory conservatives or missing the only possible strategy for domestic piece. We will analyze then a look around the most important, midterm races, the similarities between Nazis and the weather. Thank you to Alexandria. Ocasio Cortez and most shocking of all CNN does something worthwhile. I'm Michael Knowles and this is the Michael Knowles show. Oh, we're talking about war today. We are talking about war fresh on the heels of politic on where I don't feel like reconciling anything at all. We will talk about the cold civil war. I've voided talking about this because I think it's typically exaggerated, political rhetoric. Now I'm not so sure as people are assaulting, cocaine, Mitch at restaurants. I'm not so sure. So we'll look at it. But first, let's make a little money, Honey. Let's do it because we're not going to win the cold civil war. If we don't extol the virtues of capitalism. And you know me, I, how long do I spend sleeping everyday? Seventeen eighteen hours. I needed. It's my beauty rest. Thank goodness. I have Boll and branch sheets Boll and branch sheets are so good when I was a slum in it as a bachelor, I would just buy the cheapest sheets in the world. You know, sandpaper, basically a bollandbranch sheets makes from bet betting to blankets. Everything is made from one hundred percent organic cotton. They start off super soft. They get even softer over time. Really nice premium sheets with those five star hotels that can cost a thousand dollars in the store bowl. Branch or only a couple of hundred dollars. That's why three us presidents sleep on them. Everybody who tries Boll and branch loves them including little old me. They have thousands of five-star reviews, Forbes Wall Street Journal. 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Elected officials calling for violence against the GOP and then politic on where we all were yesterday. I was there. I was on a panel which was called how the bleep do. We all get along and talking to the lefties on that panel, I'm more and more convinced that they are really calling for a cultural and a cold civil war and no less than coral Bernstein. A lefty journalist on CNN is saying the same thing here is we are in a cold civil war in this country. Then these two events, both baller investigation, and the cabinet nomination are almost the Gettysburg and him the the absolutely essential battles of this cold civil ward, Gettysburg and antiga that rhetoric is about as hot as you can possibly get. And so if they want a cold civil war, they're gonna get it you. If an aggressor is saying, we're going to be fighting, you were declaring war on you, then you can't ignore. You can't say that there is no war and you've obviously got Maxine Waters calling for elected air for democratic supporters to attack Republicans at their homes, Eric Holder, the same thing, Hillary Clinton, the same thing. So maybe we've got to start taking this seriously. Why are they doing this? I while of this talk of the cold civil war, it's because they have no issues. They actually are running on this election on no issues. What are they fighting for? I guess there's a little vague talk about health care, but even that is very vague, they're not pushing any particular policy or they running on immigration? No, because that's a huge loser issue for Democrats, even among democrat primary voters. That's a big loser issue. The economy is doing very well. We have relative peace abroad. We've got virtually no on employment. What is the issue? This might be the first issue free election in a long time. So it's just all about Trump. They're just talking about how much they hate Donald Trump. I was on this panel, you know? And it was me Charlie, Kirk also on the right roaming, millennial who's on the show. And then a couple of. Lefties Kyle Cullin sqi is secular talk on YouTube and this guy because resellers who he was the one who went on CNN and said that Kanye west is what happens when negroes don't read books. He's that guy that we talked about them on the show and. You know, one thing I noticed is that some conservatives politic on wanted to conciliate. They wanted to give some concessions to the left. They were talking about areas where, okay, conservatives can abandon ideas and let's just embrace left wing ideas. Oh, we don't. We don't need the death penalty. We don't look. There's always been disagreement on the right over the death penalty, but there was some people saying, no, we don't. Let's get rid of that. Let's drop that issue. We can go further to the left on it. Oh, how about criminal Gillette's criminals out of prison? Yeah, we can let some criminals out of prison. That's that's fun. We have too many people in prison. Okay. Oh, the drug war has been a big law. See we're getting together and I don't. I don't know what the thought is here for one may be genuinely. These people are more libertarian on another level. Maybe they think that the left is going to give them credit for this. The left won't give you credit. They will not give you credit. You cannot make the New York Times like you. They will never like you. They will use you, but they will never like you in. And I obviously John McCain his phone into the strip. Mitt Romney fell into the strap. We should not fall into this trap. You know, the the lesson of the Trump era is to fight foot. Don't give in, don't be squishy, don't say, oh, well, I didn't. I didn't strap my dog to the roof of my car. Dula. No, don't fight because we're winning and the voters actually reward you when you fight when you stand up to these guys and you make fun of Jim Acosta, they reward you. It's not a liability. It's a real advantage. I have the strategy on, you know, they were asking, how do we all get along? How do we move along and get along? And I'll give this and you give that if we have a civil Cold War, here's my strategy, we win and they lose. Those aren't my words. I was Ronald Reagan's words on the first Cold War, the actual Cold War with the Soviet Union. He said, here's my strategy, we win and they lose and he was pilloried for this. Oh, he's not being sophisticated in his always not. He's a cowboy. He's a madman note. That's the answer the you cannot conciliate here. You know there was there there. There's a little. A little Catholic corner. There was this pope blessed pious the ninth who when they gave up all the papal states this the pope had killed. A lot of people executed. A lot of criminals in the last criminal said, please, please don't execute me and he said, I cannot move your your execution and I do not want to. That is how I feel about this. I cannot conciliate on the cold cultural war and I do not want to do why would we our, how are we going to meet in the middle on really hot button, radical social issues? Where do we meet in the middle on abortion? Abortion was the the center of the fight for red Kavanagh's nomination was all about Roe v, Wade. They made up these things about women and when he was fifteen and nineteen eighty two, it was all about Roe versus Wade. We're is the conciliation one side says, we shouldn't kill unborn babies. The other side says, we should kill unborn babies up until right before birth. Abortion on demand paid for by taxpayers. Where's the conciliation? That is actually the perfect. Example of trying to split the baby. You can't split the baby. Why would you the right is in the right on this there in the right of morally, but they're in the right politically to pro-life causes gained a lot of traction since Roe versus Wade. It's at historical high levels of support. Why would you give up on that? Unequated like the redefinition of marriage. We, we're the supreme court. Anthony Kennedy yanked said issue out of the public sphere and says, you can't debate this anymore because I Anthony Kennedy will wax poetic about the the constitutional right to intimacy or whatever they made up their which Antonin Scalia made fun of in his descent. Where's the conciliation? Do we say, okay, we'll the supreme court can redefine certain essential human institutions, but not others. Oh, well, maybe. Okay here. So radical leftists wanna redefine marriage to include, you know, polygamous who knows what unions and normal people say that marriage has a meaning and sexual difference in, here's in the definition of marriage. So k maybe it'll be three people of areas. No, there's no conciliation were talking about the meaning of words where's? Where's the conciliation on any other policy on foreign policy on domestic affairs on deregulation? One side says, we want the government to have less control of your life. We want them to have more accountability. The other side says, we wanna give more and more power more and more of your money more and more control of your life to the federal government. There's no conciliation there. And also why would have you noticed that the left only calls for conciliation when they're losing when we are advancing, we're advance. Right now we are winning. I mean, this has been building for for a long time. This has been building since two thousand ten after the Obama election in two thousand eight, twenty ten. We win the house. After that we win the Senate, we win the state houses. We win the governorships. This is capped off by the election of Trump in two thousand sixteen. We take the White House. We've got everything. Anthony Kennedy leaves the supreme court. We gonna more originalist judge which changes the balance of the court. We are winning and all of a sudden the left says, oh, no, no. Now we need to get along. Where were you? Six years ago pals. Where were you when Barack Obama was painting the White House in rainbow colors? Were you saying we need to be nice to one another and meet in the middle then? I don't think so. It's so cynical at such a cynical and such a transparent strategy look at what they're doing on the cold civil war. Look at what some hysterical millennial is doing to Pablo Escobar himself, cocaine, Mitch, just trying to have dinner with his wife and a restaurant. Dead. You're gonna come from is with that? Are you gonna compromise with hysterical millennials going up to his table? Wait, what don't you leave? What don't you just go on leave the country about? I don't have that. You sit down, you hysterical child and I will finish my meal. I also love cocaine, Mitch, this is how you know he's been the head of the main cartel for very long time. He doesn't even flinch when this guy comes up co. He's just there is just got his mound of, you know, booger sugar in front of him are. So I don't know what he worded for dinner, but he's just, he does not even flinch. This is a parable for the country because this historical millennial gets up. He says, why don't you leave? And everyone in the restaurant who was just minding their own business, just sitting there trying to get on with their lives, they say, shut up, sit down. Why are you? This is what we see with with voters. You know, you've got this hysterical group of people with the pink hats, screaming, bring up signs, kicking people. Okay. There aren't that many of them and I think for a long time because the left. Had a monopoly over the media had a monopoly monopoly over the means of communication. We thought that not only were they have the country that they were the majority of the country that Walter Cronkite world federalist left-winger Walter Cronkite. He was the voice of the American people, not the case. And once he got a little freedom in there and a little bit of new media, we learned that that wasn't the case. I think most of America or those Diner's sitting there just trying to eat who are getting increasingly annoyed by these insane, largely millennial people. And I think that this is a millennial problem. You don't see older generations doing this so much going up to the tables, shrieking Ted Cruz and restaurants to people's houses. You know, millennials or a coddle generation. There have been many books written about this. John height has written about this. A lot of politicians of talked about it. It's a coddle generation. It's the participation, trophy generation. They got everything they wanted. They were helicopter parenting. Sure. I mean that it's, it's not even really their fault. That's just how they were parented. It's how they were brought up the when they got to high school and college. They were indoctrinated in leftist ideology that just confirmed the biases that they were raised in and presented any other point of view as evil or wicked and outside of the realm of public debate. And even politically, they always got what they wanted. By the time, the millennials came of age, what did they do? They elected Barack Obama and Barack Obama rain king for eight years. For the first time they didn't get what they wanted in their being behaving like children, and we've got to treat them like children. I don't. I don't mean that you've got to be cruel. You don't want to be cruel to child. You don't wanna torture child, but you've got to be firm. You've gotta take a stand. You don't compromise with child. Teacher doesn't compromise with the child. The director of the insane institution doesn't compromise with the inmates. You have to stand firm and it's the only way that you're gonna help people get a little bit better. Unfortunately, for our friends on the left, they're not learning this lesson. You look at these races around the country, the polls are getting really interesting. In Indiana. Now, Indiana was really one of these swing Senate seats. Obviously, the cavenaugh affect has been pretty profound in North Dakota. We've talked about Heidi Heitkamp up there, but in Indiana, it was really, really close. And now Mike wrong Republican is a leading Senator Joe Donnelly by four points. So you're now getting a little little past the margin of error, depending on which police looking at all of the analysts are attributing this to the Cavanaugh effect and what is the cavenaugh effect? What did the cavenaugh affect show? It's when a mob of Democrats decided to institute Lynch mob Justice on a guy who did not have due process based on acusations that were pretty flimsy. They reacted against it. They revolted against that that you got the he two movement out of, you know, because women have husbands and wives fathers. Why would we? Why would we give up now that we're winning? Why would we pull back now now is the time to charge even harder, especially now that you've. Got midterm elections coming up. So if you if you turn down to Florida, there was this debate. I know you didn't watch at one because it was on CNN and to because it was so hard to watch. Andrew gillum the democrat, this democrat actual socialist out socialist guy against Rhonda Santa's, the Republican, if you didn't catch it there, there are few really good clips of it and Disentis mopped the floor with the guy. So what does Indra them do? He immediately resorts to the oldest democrat tactic in the book. He plays the race card here they are. Did you pay for the Hamilton ticket or did the undercover FBI for the Hamilton ticket? Did you pay to stay in the the villa in Costa Rica where the receipts, you have not proven that you paid for anything, and that's the problem. So he is a direct answer. I don't take free trips from anybody. I'm a hardworking person. I know that may not fit your description of what you think people like me do, but I worked hard for everything that I've gotten in my life and I don't need anybody handed me anything for three. Might not fit your description of what people like me do if he's referring to socialists, he's absolutely right. I don't know many hardworking socialists, but that's not what it means. He's saying I'm a black guy. And you're saying that black people are lazy? No. You're saying the black people are lazy. He didn't say that at all. What he said is that you took gifts from lobbyists, which you didn't even deny notice, Andrew gillum can't deny it. So the allegation that dishonest makes is that Guillem took free Broadway tickets to Hamilton, which by the way, as a New Yorker, I can tell you the price on those is like seven zillion dollars per ticket. You know, that was the hottest ticket in town and he went on some trip and had things bought for him by by some lobbyists. And so what is Andrew gillum do immediately just twisted. He says, I never have people pay for my trips. Will do you have people pay for part of your trips? People pay for certain things on your trips. People sent. Who knows? And he also just won't acknowledge the Broadway. He won't acknowledge the Hamilton tickets and then all he does. He turns it on race. He says, you're saying black people are lazy. No, I'm saying you or a crook. You are corrupt at no answer to that and Disentis also didn't get put off by the race comment. You know, this is what they do is in culture, told me when I was a wee lad of eighteen in college. She said, when a liberal Kohls, you're racist, you know that you've won the argument. I saw this politic on yesterday on this panel with. It was roaming millennial. That was the only way it was bearable. A John Fugel sang who I sort of like though he was making very stupid points and the person to my right was this alleged comedian Randy Sklar. I think he has a YouTube channel, the skull, our brothers, and this guy, he tried to land a couple of punches. He was really angry. He was coming out strong. I hate Trump and and you know, he made some allegation about Donald Trump having business interests in Saudi Arabia. I pointed out that Saudi Arabia gave a bunch of money to the Clintons. He had no answer because only had her these talking points. So he says, all of these talking points. And then once he ran out of talking, what did he do? He called me a racist which is how you know that you win the argument when you when you can't refute the claim when you can't attack the claim attack the person and it's it's really disgusting. I mean, we're so used to it by now that I think we forget how awful that is in modern America. There is nothing worse that you can be cold than a racist. There's nothing worse you, it is a synonym for evil. It is. It is to say, urine evil person, you're an evil person. I mean, we shouldn't brush it off we're. So we get so calloused because we're so used to them saying that all the time, but it's really awful. We should. We should fight him back to nail because that's not very conciliatory language that's not really. Let's all get along kind of languages. So. So Disentis was great on that point. He also goes on and gets to the essential issue, the essential actual policy issue of these midterm elections. And I think it's a big winner for Republicans. I think the Democrats are running scared here. It is. You honor a request from Donald Trump's ice agency. If they provided the -tainer requests, will you honored has governor? Will you work with Donald Trump for see with your time? He won't answer the Jake. That's important because that's what happens when somebody. I've been a prosecutor. I've worked with law enforcement when they're in the system, they're convicted the, maybe they served ten years, but it comes time to come out. There's a detainee request from ice. You either turn them over to ice or release them into the community. That's the only two options. Andrew will not answer the question that me let me would be willing to release. Well, of course, I just think the showboating unnecessary. Do you the guy who's playing the race card? Not five seconds before who saying that this things, black people are lazy. Now he's on why we should be showboating. I love to they fall silent when you try to pin them down on any issue of policy, especially in the question of immigration e says Santa's, would you turn the criminals over to law enforcement or would you release them into the community? And a moment of silence Gillam says up, go on no God on interrupt where you want to interrupt on all the other questions. Why it's interesting you've fallen silent on that question of immigration. We know that immigration is a big winner. I can't tell if our friends on the left or obtuse on this or if they're genuinely ignorant. The reason that illegal immigration is a big winner issue is not because illegal immigration depresses wages. It's not because illegal immigrants take welfare at higher rates. Even that illegal immigrants, commit crimes, certain crimes at higher rates. It's actually not that it's because it is an offence to the country itself. It is an offence to the integrity of the country. The very fact of the nation when you have people disrespecting your borders, crossing back and forth, willy nilly, coming over here in demanding that you give them something. It is so offensive and it puts Democrats in this awful position. We're Democrats are now being held hostage by their base. If Andrew gillum were just strictly looking at the numbers, he would come out and say, turn them over to law enforcement. I deport half the legal aliens in this country deport all of the criminal, the violent criminal illegal aliens. I'd get really tough on why because we know from the from the public opinion polling and from elections that that's a big winner issue. Not just among Republicans. There was a poll taken at the beginning of the year that showed the majority of democrat voters did not believe that Amna. Esty even for dreamers. So cold even for young illegal aliens broad here before they were old enough to think that that should be a top priority for congress, even among democrat voters. So if he saw that he would just answer and it would be gimme, but he can't because they're held hostage by that base that screaming little millennial goes up to cocaine, Mitch yells in his face that that guy that's small number of Democrats is the democrat base and they go out and they write checks, and they signed petitions and they carry petitions and they go canvas, and they're the activists, and they're increasingly at odds with other swats of the democrat of voter base. So right now, President Trump has made great strides. He in particular, though it's true for Republicans broadly among black voters and among Hispanic voters. The black black voter support has more than doubled Hispanic voter support has surged, and that does have tails for for other Republicans as well. Democrats can't afford to lose those demographics. They've relied on huge portions of those demographics for years, but the minute that they start speaking on issues that those bases care about, they lose their activists. They lose the people who go out and it's really tough position that they're in and it's why Andrew gillum finally, Mercifully fell silent. So what issues can they run on? They can't run immigration. They'll lose. They can't run on taxes. They'll lose, which is why the Republicans are doubling down now they're saying, oh, yeah, you like that tax cut. We'll give you another one. This is a really something I find charming about President Trump's political. I won't call it naive, but you know, he's not the subtlest guy in the world is a really crafty sophisticated politicians. Okay. How am I going to package this to look like this and that, but President Trump seems like someone gave them a sheet that's tax cuts. Popular is doing more tax cuts to more tax cuts will give you more tax cuts. 'cause they're popular. It's like this really that honest. You know, you know with the strategy is you know what you're getting and we'll, we'll get to the advantages of that in a second. So they can't run on that. They can't run on the taxes came on joblessness, which basically doesn't exist. So what are they going to run on the sun monster? They're gonna rhyme on the boogeyman hiding underneath the earth that then rises up and threatens. To kill us all. They're trying to run on global warming. So fortunately we can turn out of the thought leader of the democrat party to use St. pay words nickname for her Alexandria, occasional cortex who has the American strategy on fighting the sun monster. Well. Had. Germy. Adding our country. We can. We can cut her. There had enough Alexandria, occasional cortex. So she just that last bit. She says, we put hundreds of thousands of people maybe millions to work defending our country. Sixteen million Americans served in World War Two just think he's gonna use the stalking, like googled basic facts of World War Two, but that's fine. She says that the strategy to fight the sun monster. This strategy to fight global warming is the steam strategy that we use to fight the Nazis by which I assume she means evacuate. Dunkirk stormed, the beaches of Normandy, I, which we've never tried that. We've tried capping fuel emissions. We've tried banning certain plastics, but we've never tried evacuating Dunkirk and storming Normandy. So maybe that will work. Maybe that's what they'll do. If the Democrats win the house. Ironically, the other strategy that we would use if the way if I global warming is the same as how we fought the Nazis is to collude with the Russians, we could not have defeated the Nazis. If we didn't collude with the Russians and it would be beautiful. About face, it would be Nixon going to China. If the Democrats came into the the house after the midterm elections and they said, you know what? We're gonna do guys. We've been wrong about this. Let's start colluding with Russia. Something tells me they're not going to do that though. So obviously, this is absurd. Her answer here is absurd. That's why everybody's making fun of it. But the issue is absurd. The issue of global warming is absurd. I'm sorry, global cooling. I'm sorry, climate change on. Sorry, this that or the other thing, it's it. This is the this is where the the left whips itself up into a religious frenzy here all the time about the religious, right. This is the religious left because it's unfolded viable. The cult of global warming. It's unscientific anytime the reality doesn't match the computer models and the scientific models for warming. They just adjust the models and they ju just their view of reality match the scientific models. You've had the IPC the intergovernmental panel climate change, come out and say. Say that greenhouse gases do not have a significant correlation to warming and that there hasn't been significant warming a while they've had to adjust so many of their graphs. So this is all they've got like bad Albor power points from two thousand six. That is the best that they can run on a good situation for for Republicans in this election, who knows when if the economy cracks up or something, then the Democrats finally have an issue again. But for right now, they're running on nothing, which is why all they're doing is talking and slogans and talking about themselves to turn to another democrat tribe this time in Massachusetts lia- Wathba has been stepping in it on this DNA question so she can't shut up about it sadly and sadly for her good for us here is li- waas trying to defend it again after defending before Senator. When we spoke in March for an interview, and I asked you about whether or not you would take a DNA test you, will you told me that you believe that the issue of your native American heritage. Edge had been settled. Why did you change your mind and recently released the results of DNA tests? You know, what is the things I see now is that confidence in government is at an all time low and I believe one way that we try to rebuild confidence is through transparency. Ultimately, I took a DNA test because I am an open book and it's all out there. It's on the internet. Anybody can take a look because at the end of the day, this isn't about me. This is about what's happening to working families all across this Commonwealth. This isn't about me at the end of the day, and that's why I have spent three weeks now exclusively talking about myself and not just about myself and how I look and how I speak. But actually the DNA at the core of my cells. I've been dug him at my genetic code because this this isn't about. Made. This is about something else that I don't wanna talk about right now. So it's not about me really sad also that voice that you know Trump talked about that face. I don't know about that face. I just that voice makes our president sound like a songbird. It makes our senators. It makes Ted Cruz sound like a songbird sheet. If I'm not saying it's because of the particular tenor of voice, it's because she has that politician voice or that old politician voice. You know where it's a little breathy and it's a practiced and emotional speed Chee and it's, it's just awful it so grading. Cory Booker has turned that up to eleven in his Sparta's moments and his tears of rage. I, I don't know where they think that this is going to help them in twenty twenty. But I think that voices kind of over now because you know, when Trump came out in two thousand sixteen just talked a brash guy from queens who didn't use. The right words and often said things that were offensive to both as opponents and his supporters. I think it cracked that up a little bit. I think people like a straight talk. If you will, blunt speech, at least how else to explain Michael avenue body getting on the TV networks, a Michael Nadi for all flaws. He does speak plainly bro. He speaks a little too plainly that Mercifully. I think that voices over because the trouble with that voice to is you're constantly having to figure out what they're actually saying. Like the old joke. I would think about this. Whenever I heard a politician, say like, you know, we need to lower your taxes, not raise your taxes. It was whatever they said after not was the thing they were actually going to do. It was such a lie. It was a voice and addiction of such lies that they would do that. And fortunately now we've got Republicans who actually do what they say for better or worse. And I just think it really falls flat. Then she goes on with pure gray day, Liz, Warren Leioa. Democrat sanctimony give it to me. I, I'm a kid who wanted to be a public schoolteacher and the time I graduated from high school, we didn't have the money for college application, much less chance for me to actually go to college a lot of twists and turns and my story. But my big chance was a commuter college that cost fifty dollars a semester and it opened a million doors for me. I am the daughter of someone who ended up as a janitor, and I got to be a professor a United States Senator. Okay. Bla-bla-bla my mother wash more floors for less money than your mother, blah, blah, blah. That's what she's doing. A classic of both parties do it, but this is especially a a classic Democrats strategy. John casick famously in twenty sixteen do. I don't know. Remember his father's ailment. Did you know the junk as father was a mailman Liz worn? I think almost mentioned, but I want to direct your attention to one little phrase in in her soliloquy. Here. She says, you know, I wanted to. A schoolteacher I wanted just wanted to do this and you know college was there were a lot of twists and turns in my life, and then I succeeded. So those twists and turns which destroying twists and turns. She's saying that she got married and then her husband paid for her law school. And then she cheated on her husband while she was in law school. And then she left her husband and six months later, married her law professor and now, and then she had her career. Those are the twists and turns, and I don't want that out to cast owns at Elizabeth Warren politicians are often rotten dirty people into they do rotten dirty things and everybody's got a past and everybody makes mistakes. That's not what I'm saying. I'm doing it to point out the hypocrisy in the sanctimony of Democrats, critics of the president critics of other Republicans and the news media who focus on every one of President Trump's sexual misdeeds of which there are many. They focus on all of the president's failed marriages, but they don't want this at. They let her get away with twists and turns twists and turns. She leaves her husband cheats on her husband leaves her hus-. And marries her law professor leaves the guy who paid for her law school. And so it's just twist and turns how brave, how powerful there was an article that came out to, you know, obviously a praising Elizabeth Warren in the mainstream media, and they said, Elizabeth Warren's biggest mistake. So I figured this would be an article about how she left her husband, you know, but look, people make big mistakes in life. Okay. No, no, no. The big mistake was marrying her husband in the first place I spend that was the mistake because if not for that, you'd be Saint Elizabeth, the great, the great spirit lie Awada, but she has that and they bury it. They don't focus on it at all and just that, oh gosh, I really can't stand that. My mother wash more floors for less money. I don't know that that plays now either. You know if Mitt Romney in twenty twelve had just come out and said, I'm a rich guy. I have a lot of money. My dad was a rich guy and I'm a richer guy. And yeah, I go on vacation and I have elevators in my house because I'm rich guy, don't you wanna be like me. I'm. Rich cool guy. It would play. It would have played so much better than saying, I'm not that rich and I well, we had to do this for that in this doesn't work stop. Conceding stop conceding points that you don't have to when your opponent is running away when you're advancing, it doesn't make any sense. 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Mondays get to see all the beautiful art non-subscribers have to wait like seven or eight years I or just until that Friday to get the audio. None of that matters. This matters. You know, there have been a lot of twists and turns in my life. A lot of twists and turns in the political life of our country. But one thing that has always sustained me sustained all of us or those salty frothy delicious, leftist tears, and you can enjoy them in the only FDA approved vessel for leftist tears, the leftist, here's tumbler go to daily wire dot com. Get it. We'll be right back. Back to Texas. You know, we've talked about Indiana. We've talked about the Massachusetts. We've talked about some racist, but you knew that I wasn't going to leave you with an update on beta aerobic my pal before we talk about him in particular. Just look at how ABC news, mainstream media news network treats democrat candidates. Lyco work Rourke is kind of the special case, but he exemplifies they treat all Democrats. This is on the trail according to see on the trail with Ted Cruz and beta aerobic. One of the most simple obvious strategies that I've seen employed in a modern campaign. We just literally show up everywhere all the time for everyone. You can't go ten feet without an interruption from Abeto backer I love you too. Thank you. All rockstar. No, no. There's just so many people. A three term congressman from El Paso as certainly captured the entire nation's attention as well. Oh, he's captured the entire nation's attention who his making certain female news anchors. Just go a little hot under the collar. Does anybody have little fainted couch, yeah. Okay. And she goes, you're a rock stories, stop it, stop it. I'm not how much of a rockstar OJ love you wherever you go. By the way he's walking through a bar. He's just like he's some campaign event. There were, I don't know a hundred people there or something. So you're like a rockstar, because you have any supporters at all in a Senate campaign that you've raised forty million dollars for, therefore you're mostly national. By the way you've got to take a look at the money that comes from out of state as well as in from Texas. The Democrats are betting big on this race that right now, the pulling doesn't seem so great that he's, he's a rockstar. Okay. How did the mainstream media cover President Trump's rally because President Trump has rally now in Texas, and he's got more than just one hundred people waving at him in a bar. He has people, I think about what was a thousand people camping out overnight twenty four hours before his rally so that they can get in here. Just take a little this from the campaign Facebook pages. A little glimpse of part of the encampment trying to get tickets for this show. Going. That that that doesn't even begin to show everybody. I mean, this goes on and on and on. This is actually what happens for Rockstars and look. This is the great advantage of from the disadvantage is that he turns everything into a reality TV show and people say it's tawdry or it's not elevated, or it's not what our founders envisioned for the executive. Okay. Fair enough. I totally get it. The plus side is you gotta Rockstars president. You've got a showman. You got the grain showman of his age and you've got these thousand people camping out overnight in maga- hats waving that flag with the picture of Trump on a tank like shooting fireworks. I mean, this is like, you know, living inside an American pie in the fourth of July level of excitement and patriotism, they don't call him a rockstar, do no, they don't. They don't call him a rockstar, they call beta aerobic or rockstar, you know, they're the GOP is not going to get fair treatment. And so back on this, how do we all get along had a, we get back to some standard of objectively. Discourse in our news media. They don't want that. They never wanted that. They're, they want to bring you back to a time that never existed a mythical time. When the news people were objective and they were just getting the facts and they treated both sides fairly. They never treated both sides fairly. They would Huffman poppin go red in the face and get so excited when they are around democrat candidates, and they would distort the views of conservatives not just polishes, but a rank and file activists and thought leaders as well. You know, they tell you, I saw this yesterday. I'm one of the panels with Bakori sellers from CNN and Kyle Kalinski this YouTube lefty, and they do it so well, especially. But Corrie is very good at this. They sit there and they say, you know, look, I just think we all need to come together. We just need to come together. I think we can finally, you know, admit that we need to, you know, socialize healthcare and open our borders up everybody and impeach the president raise taxes, you know, just issues that we can all agree on. You know, we just and they, they do it. They. Put on their serious face. They put on their objective face and then they try to push radical leftism. We shouldn't buy it anymore. We, we should laugh at that. We should laugh at the force that the left wing media have made themselves. Speaking of Bago they has a new, a new campaign theme, new motif that's gone around a. These are a bunch of beta supporters rallying in a park, all let the clip speak for itself. Celebrate. On. The village people that's beta, you know, nothing says, Texas Lega, bunch of leather, daddy, gay pop stars singing about hanging around the fits at the YMCA. Nothing says Texas, right? That's that. I don't know who's writing these campaign strategies, but this really illustrates because I bet that this is about as close to grass roots as you get for a democrat campaign in Texas, there weren't maybe hundred people or something like that. And these guys really think that they are speaking for everybody. They really think that this is the cultural wave that they won the culture war thirty years ago, and we all just have to go along with it and increasingly because they're in their own little echo chambers, they've lost that control over the culture. They've lost all of that. And so they that going out in ponchos in in the middle of Texas and seeing the YMCA is somehow cool or somehow. Rallying or somehow encouraging also kind of old they're all about. I don't mean to be mean to these people, but that isn't cool. It isn't cool to see a bunch of fifty year olds dancing around a park to nineteen seventies pop music. So that's that's what they think. There might be an esoteric message here for Elizabeth Warren, because I'm I'm pretty sure the native American from the village people is like orders of magnitude more Indian than Senator lie Awada, but who knows? I don't know. I haven't. I haven't seen his DNA tests, maybe hook them over the DNA test sometime soon. I have a sign of the apocalypse for you, which is speaking of CNN. I'm going to say something nice about CNN. I know I know pull over your car Pulo I know get strap yourself in because I actually saw something on CNN today that I liked, and it proved to me why we're never gonna get any more of Jared. Kushner sat down to talk Middle East policy and specifically the US relationship with Saudi Arabia. He sat down with very. Far left commentator van Jones here was is just a little tiny clip of their discussion. Let's stay with it. So he said that you're going to try to get to the facts. Do you trust the Saudis to investigate themselves? I mean, it seems like NBS is like the prime suspect. He's also the prime investigator mean, do you trust the Saudis to sort this out? Yeah. Like I said, I mean, we're getting facts from multiple places. And then once those facts come in, the secretary of state will will will work with our national security team to help us determine what we want to believe and what we think is credible on what we think is credible. He even Trump's, there's like deception and lies. I mean, do you do you? Do you see anything that seems deceptive? I see things that are deceptive every day. I see him in the Middle East. I see them in Washington. And so again, I think that we have our eyes wide open. Oh, is that is that? I'm actually I'm joking there because I actually really liked this interview. I thought it was a very good interview. I thought Jared, Kushner explained the position of the administration very well. He was very articulate. He had a pretty clear eyed view as he just said. He said the administration had. He has a clear eyed view end. The administration is taking a clear eyed view towards Saudi Arabia, and I thought van Jones very well. Then Jones is a four left guy, but he's at least smart and he can be serious when he wants to be. And this was a serious discussion, wasn't trying to slam him or have a Gotcha moment or twist his words or be on fair. He actually he was pushing me was asking pretty tough questions, but he was giving Kushner chance to explain the policy of the administration and we actually got something out of it. I, I now can see the Saudi policy, you know the policy toward Saudi Arabia, a little more clearly. I can see a little bit where the White House is going what they're thinking and who's doing and so good on van Jones. Good on CNN for airing it, they're never going to do it again. They're never going to do it again. The only reason I saw this clip is because it was trending on Twitter and was trending because the left wing base the CNN audience actually by CNN audience. The only people who actually watch CNN regularly or commuters in airports because without airport. Vs having c. n. on the network would go bankrupt, but the five people who watch CNN were furious and then the left wing that saw CNN. So this clip going around were furious. That ban Jones didn't get up and punched Jared in the face because you can't be civil to Republican, says Hillary Clinton, kick them in the face says, Eric Holder, go attack them at their homes and their kids, and apparently they're son-in-law says Maxine Waters. So they were so furious that we actually got a serious discussion of it. You know, people blame politicians for the kind of politicians. They are. They blame the media for the kind of media that they get. You, you get what you want in in this life, you get what you want. And if you the, the reason that we elect certain people to represent us is because those people are behaving in a way that can convince us to vote for them the the, the founders, and the framers were very wise when they created the house of representatives and the house of representatives represents the passions of the people. So when you look at your politicians and you're disgusted by them, take a look in the mirror because you're you're looking at it. You're looking at people who are behaving in a way such that your incentivized to vote for them to keep them in office and it's the same thing with the media. You know, the one thing I noticed politic is that the left is there were not sophisticated thinkers. I'm trying to say this a nice way that doesn't sound very arrogant. They they had bad arguments. If they had arguments at all, they weren't a dressing questions. They were making absurd logical fallacies, and that's the audience that's the audience for the left. That's the audience for CNN. And so there's no incentive to do that. Fortunately, we have new media that hasn't totally been censored, so you can get, you know, if there's an audience for conservative podcast or this or that you can go out there and get it, but you're going to get what you want. And you know when I hear, how do we all get along, how do we have a better country? Do we have more sophisticated politics? Take a look in the mirror. It's you, you're the people. We, the people vote for people. We govern ourselves at least for now, at least mostly although we give that power away time and time again. And in the midterm elections, we're going to say, will people want. That's all. That's all I got today. I know we ran out of time said I had more to talk about. We'll talk about it tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael null show. We'll see tomorrow. 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"Jon Favreau I'm Dan pfeiffer on the pod today we have to DNC chair candidates the mayor of South Bend Indiana Pete Buddha Judge Welcome to pod save America is about our threat to invade Mexico pretty alarmed about that seemed like it was idle talk you know trump's been pretty anti Mexico for a while there all the time a crooked media otherwise we'd never get love it to pay us back for anything so download the free square cash APP today for Ios and Android as with all the top foreign policy folks who made some of the biggest decisions in national security and foreign policy of our time right now he's got an episode up with is the simplest way to pay people back friends family co workers just about anyone sending and receiving money is totally free and fast and most payments can be deposited directly to your completed payment. They'll get a notification they've just received money that's it is no gimmicks no nothing just cold hard digital cash we square you'll be happy you did okay Dan all right how we feel today I still don't feel great I'll be honest I feel great you know the house tonight this Mexico denied this there's some CNN reporting that contradicted this saying that trump was offering to help fight the cartels but who knows we started this outline you send me your drafted this outline yesterday and said that you were tempting fate by doing an early and I didn't even think that it was that early another ally to get an international dispute with I mean God so let's let's go through these two stories quickly the subscribed today also we have merch Dan have you bought all your t shirts yet I have so many t shirts they have not arrived yet but I'm pretty excited start wearing them around San Francisco yeah so go to get get in the intervening hours there's quite a few things that happen high was an Uber headed to a meeting and I read the News Hillary Clinton's top foreign policy aide Jake Sullivan there's some fascinating new stuff in that interview Ana Iran Russia Benghazi all kinds of good stuff it's a good time to so that you societas press reported in a phone call with the Mexican president trump threatened to send US troops into Mexico to stop quote bad hombre is down there the a senior officials said it was just lighthearted talk so they're not denying now that it didn't happen they're just saying it was hard talk I don't think it's great to bank account in just a few seconds even better than most of those other payment APPs in the square cash app you linked to your debit or credit card selected amount to send type inference phone number email address in media dot com we get some t shirts they are now say we run out of t shirts your friend bought a bunch of them and you WANNA buy a t shirt from a friend the the best way to pay for that t shirt is square cash I see what you did you see what I did there it was yeah I did it so square cash because it was like yesterday afternoon and you know pretty much most of the outline was just talking about Gorsuch the new Supreme Court nominee and yet prime minister they start talking about a previous agreement that the United States made with Australia where the US said they would accept about a thousand Refu oh Jeez from Australia and trump just sort of lost it didn't know about the deal said I don't want those people he tweeted that they were illegal immigrants hostile call oh trump also bragged about his electoral college went to the Australian prime minister I mean and then like pronunciation written out here I'm just I'm not GonNa lie few housekeeping things everyone goes subscribed to pod save the world tours new podcast where he speed assured him that relations were still okay that we still support Australia and then the White House said that this whole thing happened because trump had a long day was fatigue you CNN that people in the White House say trump's calls with foreign leaders are making people's faces go white turning faces white inside the White House yes I to a foreign policy podcasts. Considering trump causes a new foreign policy crisis like every ten minutes in its training podcast right now is number two in the store so went into a meeting came out of the meeting and got a text from you saying that he threat the Australian Prime Minister I was in the meeting for forty five minutes that's not a great thing I mean in trump's defense he only pledged no new Middle Eastern worse did not say about North American wars we had two major allies trump alienated for basically no reason and then this Australian thing so he does a phone call with the Australian need the call was at five PM low Energy Higher Donald Trump if you watch hours and hours and hours of Cable News it was not ready to collapse at all so as another weird one say Flint Flint threatening around which is always great my first thought was like why did I think that probably started as early as two thousand twelve like Oh Barack Obama has alienated our allies in coddled our adversaries well yesterday officially put Iran on notice Trump tweeted about this this morning Iran is officially on notice and also said that it's a country that was on its last leg yes so but also it's like oh the these calls are making your face turn wait like maybe you should fucking say something about it right you're in the White House this is like we're playing with live pick a fight with it would be Australia I mean there was the also the report from Jim Acosta of fake news it's actually not that funny it's pretty scary no I mean and then so then General Flynn Crazy General Flynn says that the White House all these people have to clean up after trump's at the State Department said the White House will honor the deal with Refugees John McCain today released a statement that he called the Australian ambassador how he is he is not violated campaign pledge just yet someone said yesterday I think Jonathan Martin tweeted this like remember the Republican Line during the campaign in which they seem pretty white ops by quite a few jokes of faces turning white in the White House Subdue K. but when it comes time to to fight with the US they do it right and so it's the strangest thing that of all the countries stop stop our nuclear program immediately we are on notice also like maybe maybe maybe time correct us on this one but I don't think putting around on this is an official state of art for foreign policy I don't think that's that's that's phraseology that's used often in the in the room it actually got that which is not true at all they're refugees they're they're fleeing from a war torn nation Syria and then and then trump hung up on him and the the White House acknowledged it was crossing their fingers knocking on wood that trump doesn't start a nuclear war like what the Hell I mean it's very like we are laughing but even from majority Muslim nations and stopping refugees from coming to America like I don't forget about that either I reports yesterday that not only that Oh here people whose whose as turning white and saying that did you Mukasa but the but then just like slinging back to their offices and like you know so I mean what do you think about like these things happen there's outrage there's protests and then like does the White House thing they can just sort of wait at all I'm not backing down on the ban they want to they they suggested adding other countries and also said that instead of being temporary it might just be indefinite the ban a threatened to invade Mexico I don't know I don't know who does May maybe that's your thing maybe that's why you voted for trump who ho you hoped he would send troops into Mexico but seems like that check out the next episode of Pods Safe The world unbelievable I also I mean this the executive order banning immigration and ready to collapse before the Iran deal actually it was about to about to have the capability to create a nuclear weapon before the Iran deal and the raid in Yemen with the Navy seals that cost of one navy seal and by all reports was in absolute hello until everyone tunes into the next thing and then they can you know behind closed doors secretly make things worse I don't know yes they think that and the reason they think that is that the our big belief one of our central organizing principles at Breitbart is that we're at war and that was not metaphorical that was like literal war around the world it is exhausting I would be cranky if I watch hours and hours of cable those so I get cranky when I watch hours and hours of cable news outlets here's a little context here long resume of foreign policy experience and Steve Bannon who in the Time magazine story about him today was quoted as saying November Twenty fifteen everything they could have gone wrong went wrong reports are lots of noncombatants in Yemen were killed potentially the eight year old daughter of American born on warlock pitch to show our support for Australia the problem I mean this is bad business sense on your part because you're just doing these free product integrations when you could be out there selling these ideas so but imagine the Republican reaction if on day six in the White House President Obama had At the National Deputy National Security Adviser in the Obama Administration said team trump claim that Obama cleared Yemen raid was false it was deferred to trump so he could run a deliberate process. Ministration is claiming the Obama Administration cleared the Yemen raid and that they basically gave the order this morning call who was Biden's top national security and the deputy early incapable of the sort of strategic thinking intellectual prowess humility that it takes to make these decisions Dan moved on he got elected president so yeah there's a there's a history here of just battened down the hatches wait for the next crisis to come end just move on with their lives I think that's I think that's why we're going to do here I wanted to back up on one thing that I think one two more points on the foreign policy debacle Kaid this without a without any of sort of the necessary planning or intelligence gathering in second that he he agreed to the raid overdid which is Australia is basically our number one ally they fight with us in every war since World War Two yes every single time I know we have onto this podcast yet but you know they we have blooming onion bets all the time so I just I think that's really put that in jeopardy we might have to go with Chechen on are blooming onion bet soon had okayed a failed military raid with David axelrod Valerie Jarrett over dinner we would have survived the week we have been impeached and sent home right or three points actually one is there are consequences to the Australia war of words and this goes particularly to you guys on the Monday pies a lot of really young people of all backgrounds all races just very the energy us instead he hosted dinner so this is the part where this gets really scary like these are the decisions presidents make and we have we have as a country hired someone entire it is what are you gonNa do if the price of blooming onions goes up to fifty bucks each I mean we cannot afford a trade war I want the state has to know that we still support them we stand by them they haven't and for people influential people to keep speaking out against this because I think that's the only way continues to get attention and it's the only way to sort of fall and like really great there was one funny like we met some cool people there and everyone was like people it was clear that people felt good take the spotlight off trump is to continue as a continue marching and protesting in speaking out right did you you went to did you go to one of the who's president of states was once caught live on tape bragging about sexual assault then a dozen women came out in Houston of sexual assault and they just held on and yeah no it's it's extremely scary and it's not going to these aren't going to be issues where everytime these things pops up we all like roll our eyes eighty But the thing that I found there are two interesting things in the reporting on this last night one is the military talk military officials Reuter saying trump and so my wife and I went and it was pretty it was amazing there were so many people there it was great mix of taste I probably would have quit I mean that would have been extremely disturbing and also like imagine like Bob Gates at the dinner to Bob Gates would have left the dinner and flip the to the ban I noticed that there's still protests at some of these airports and I think that the that it's important to keep up the protests because honor with General Mattis Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner right Josh North as long Bama everyone goes crazy like Obama she's like that she says deported more people than anyone else and people like why definitely a lot of people who moved to San Francisco in the sixties to protests in just never laughed and protested every time since like so there are some professionals there who knew all the chance and isn't start tweeting about it and say oh I can't believe this and joke about it and then go back to the next crisis like something something really scary happen which is what I think I mean back back very similar to the women's marches I chance to spend some time at in DC after the inauguration is like people weren't angry they were I mean people were there departures and arrivals level of the international terminal and so it really was like lots of different protests over in one corner there was a band playing protest songs and then I mean I do think we started this podcast talking about how we feel shitty and everything shitty but the these protests are having effect right and sort of not just the curfew go protest if you go call your congressman it does make a difference you know and look it's not we're still going to sustain a lot of losses and a lot of bad things will probably the full repeal now so do think it's important for everyone to know you know when you see these stories and they make you want to tear your hair out if you do something about it if you go speed eh you're out there back again this is a this is a more serious thing is this reporting on the was to walk back the ban on green card holders at least that's what they said even though we're still having some trouble with that in the Senate two Republican Senators Murkowski from Alaska because they were vehemently morally post what was happening but the atmosphere was not anger it was it was just collegial and peace down here there were people chanting holding signs people speaking by the customs office and then in one corner there was a woman with a bullhorn in like hundreds of people around her and she was doing all over I mean what he would have thrown those people out as he should and bra motor throwing them out they would never have been there wanted to be there also that the trump recei republicans are starting to talk about repairing obamacare instead of repealing it and a new Quinnipiac poll out this morning said only sixteen percent of Americans mccusker from Alaska as well Susan Collins from Maine opposed Betsy Devos because then they said they did it because of all the constituent calls they received they were just flooded with calls still happen we can't prevent everything because Republicans have unified control of government but it's worth trying you know we we still can have an effect I think that's protesters moves the Republicans to come out against or to criticize trump's Bam which is forcing them to hopefully backtrack you you know was able to get these various courts to order stays on the band they have had record fundraising record membership increases the trump administration was these business leaders step up and tell him what they think about this ban and you know if he refuses to give an inch I hope they think twice about why they're on that advisory being a call and response and so she would be like we believe no walls no ban sanctuary for all people like no walls no band sanctuary for all power for himself and hurt progressive ideas the thing that it doesn't make me feel better is that I've never seen progressive energy like this scared and alarmed as I am about what trump is doing both his incompetence and the Milovan things that he is doing to gain the protests at the San Francisco Airport I did I became one of those protests crunchers the new brand the protest and yeah there is definitely doing something is better than sitting on the one sort of funny awkward thing that happened was through the process was so big that it was took up the entire Christoph wrote a column in the New York Times like nothing would have happened but politicians react to what people do they react to getting phone calls and it is worth the effort participate the airport but people showing up to their congressmen's offices around ACA and all this sort of speaking out and participants going on out there I mean he had the and the chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party Jamie Harrison. I'm very proud that I just pronounce Mayor Pizza Name Correctly then he'll be mayor Pete from this point on Yeah I had and a number of them have already written letters and put out statements saying that they oppose this ban and I really hope they're sitting in that room in the Roosevelt Room with Donald trump like it was important to be together in this time and to be doing something because you're you're the redoing something or sitting at home being some combination of scared and pissed and being aw one point she said we don't agree with what trump did people don't agree with where trump did but we must remember if you remember the green card issue if it had just been trump done it a bunch of Democrats put out a democratic elected officials put out a statement Cape people don't Cable News and complained in two percent right the if people just stayed home on Friday night and Saturday and Sunday instead of going to airport and protesting we'd be in a very different place the about how to channel it in the right direction I will say two on Friday all of these trump's advisory council all these business leaders are coming to the White House cancel because a lot of companies they are who talk of a game about being open to diversity and tolerance and you know being a country of immigrants and if you're going to be on that Advisory Council I think you probably have a you have an obligation to step up and say something if you're going to the White House one side note on that is that we had a similar council you know in two thousand eight campaign not in a protest against Iraq war so there was something happening and it's up to all of us to figure out looks at each other and they're like wait a minute that's not why we're here to GE- yeah I had to move to the protests at that point but that's the beauty of spontaneous protests right in the energy in an and fighting even if we lose is better than not fighting and if you get some wins and so then part is we think Iran on notice like da like obviously we had just done that the problem is is that they would've been like Oh shit were on notice a law that requires you to do that Scott the Federal Advisory Committee Act I thank you yes I just wanted to be clear that focus on a word I made up the jobs council or the president's economic recovery advisory board and those meetings were open to the public via livestream and so the press could see what happens because there's then again there is so we should move on to the trump supreme court pick neal gorsuch although it is hard not to it we'll CEO as our secretary of state now who's friendly with Putin and that's actually the least of our problems right now it is it just shows like how insane was quote an example of somebody who's done an amazing job that is being recognized more and more I noticed Frederick Douglass who died in eighteen ninety five finally getting his due from Donald Trump watch this television witter add by I take was if he wants to make a Arnold Schwarzenegger ratings joke at the beginning of the prayer breakfast the only thing worse than what trump said was what Sean Spicer said where he also seems unaware of fragile contributions or his passing secret with big oil executives now have big oil executive running foreign policy at the State Department just like I said that yesterday I was like we have a we have an old hard to just breeze by what happened at the prayer breakfast this morning we we're trump's speaks at the national prayer breakfast he's introduced by Mark Annette famous producer of the apprentice. Did you hear this I knew that I knew about the Schwarzenegger joke and I was about to be a straight shooter a spectrum in fact checkers and editorial writers would have schooled at her for playing dirty politics for saying something so unbelievable and ridiculous wrote and then it's not forget about Frederick Douglass Frederick Douglas Douglas is trump said yesterday at the black history month event we're looking for another reason to sue the trump administration this is one of them this is what Cheney did where he had his energy task force that violated this law if I remember correctly and hundred seventy years ago it is It is worth reading Spicer's quote in full don't worry I have it right here quote well I think there's I think he wants to highlight the contributions that Douglas has made but if Margaret had introduced that is an insane thing is Mark Burnett a particularly powerful individual that I just don't know that or he just who neither I don't even know he's complaining about Arnold's ratings or disease tag narrows ratings at a Prayer Breakfast yesterday he was at a black history month event he was yelling about CNN and I mean it's just become that people are like oh the CEO of excise in charge of US foreign policy that's cool if Hillary Clinton had said that on the campaign trail a thou- because it happened so he gets up there and his opening remarks at the pre breakfast attacking Arnold Schwarzenegger for not getting good ratings as he did and then he said prayers for Arnold and I think there are a lot of the actions statement that he's GonNa make I think the contributions of Frederick Douglass will become more and more period thank you yeah they were embroiled in lawsuits for years and years and years that I think almost went to the Supreme Court member outnumbered there was so many like democratic campaign then like Cheney met with Cheney Mason I don't know that's what I would do but it's not the same as say at an are threatening to invade Mexico or right poking whatever leading allies in the face good job evangelical could could pick this is what hope this is what you were hoping for when you when you endorse Donald Trump I was sort of the way I obviously did not get did you see Mike Pence's tweet praising Lincoln for black history month he's like all black history month where remember when Lincoln is it can pass for that but Mark Burnett introduce them he said he started things by saying thanks Mark Brunette Oh yes e bill our producers nodding his head so Sean Spicer just mail in it as usual looking good in your new suits buddy okay we are just one more thing on that issue because it just neal gorsuch is a forty nine year old judge on the tenth circuit of Appeals in Colorado He attended Harvard Law with Brock Obama friend of the pod norm I only Clarence Thomas and many many people say he's in the mold of Scalia he you know he's had unlike many nominees he's actually written extensively about the law he's had a whole book where he came out against he wrote about why euthanasia is against the law he's not very big on regulation season said he's a great guy he clerked for Kennedy though politically the New York Times did old chart and they put him to the right of Scalia and left and so he takes a view of the regulatory state that is not not something that most of us would agree with from the Obama World but people do say that he's like fairly good on the balance of power and freed the slaves basically about on black UH faces in the White House are going White Okay Neal Gorsuch held open for about a year under Barack Obama's last year in office after he nominated Merrick Garland who was also a judge who our between the three branches of government which may come in Handy as we have a quasi authoritarian running the government so but there's no getting around the that he is by every every account in extremely conservative judge who was being nominated for a seat that was who everyone across the spectrum said was a wonderful guy brilliant jurist and fairly more moderate I think probably Garland was closer to the center of the spectrum certainly than right is that fair I mean they had so they hit the trump had this rollout and I guess because like you know trump riches and that's how we got now what do you think Dan I mean not good I would have preferred Merrick Garland Ashington although it seems like Hardiman didn't really get there and then sort of unveiled the that that Gorsuch was the guy and I saw a lot of people in the what do you think about that no no don't do that terrible idea it makes no logical sense to be it doesn't matter I was happening yeah it's just so well it also like these things keep happening trump does something insane completely incompetent and then the next day so come on people okay the question is the democratic response and how how we should approach this CNN story that some Democrats argued block the block the hearing forever and we both said no that you can't do that forever should we be hypocrites and change our minds I am changing my mind that maybe we should not block gorsuch this time around because if we do McConnell will get rid of the filibuster the filibuster will be gone forever these things I have been radicalized Donald Trump I think democrats I think this is with lawsuits parliamentary maneuvers everything we should do and we should force him to fight for this got a we're not in a normal role the politics every single thing we can do to gum up the works stop him let go and then the next time he'll just trigger the filibuster so I don't understand that is not a strategic retreat he does something like minorly competence Oh wow he really got back in the game because everyone is still in the like old DC mindset that this is how you fucking judge politics you know then we won't have as much leverage next time there is a justice nominated who would actually tip the balance of the court towards the conservative justices out that we did for Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan every basically every other supreme court nominee in history is like can we just stop with the trump yes sort of saying oh this is really trumpy in the reality show rollout what a great thing is like it is literally the exact role let's take a pass here the base will not forgive them in the base is not wrong and the trick is for Senate Democrat eight that a surrender yeah I mean so you and I have both said you pointed out to me that in our in our year end our look ahead episode so it's just the way it's been always that you need sixty votes to get confirmed if the Republicans cannot produce sixty votes for this nominee than they need have I prior to ten days ago was an institutional list I worked in the White House I worked in the Senate leadership I believe in right and they will probably win because they have control but that is not a reason not to fight and part of the reason to fight is make him spend political capital the filibuster in an unprecedented move then he he can do that and we should expect that he will do that we should expect that ultimately gorsuch could be confirmed right and so I'm sure Gorsuch is a great guy I'm sure he's a brilliant jurist but he has views that are fundamentally opposed to what many does it was it was a real there is like a reality show nature of this rollout where trump had like reportedly flown both finalists for the nominees to I would love to hold hearings on because I think it's always important that if Democrats are GonNa Block something that we also make an argument and persuade people why this nominee is bad if more Democrats get elected and if they just seem to see if it seems like it does not matter then these people will stop protesting they will stop marching and they will not vote you didn't like insult gorsuch is family or like you know trip over the podium whatever everyone said Oh it was just brilliant rollout you know they kind of they kind of rather hold hearings I mean they they didn't WanNa hold hearings on Garland at all because everyone would have realized that Garland is in fact a consensus pick that many Republicans had praised in the past I'm doing that you know our our fight it you know could could not succeed but that doesn't mean we shouldn't say we shouldn't put up a fight I do think I would we to nominate someone who is a consensus pick that can get sixty votes that's and so democrats should force that right and if men Mitch McConnell wants to get rid of because that's political capital that he is not spending to give tax cuts to millionaires or take away a ca or any of those things so fight like hell and also the Democrat and Back into keeping it sixteen hundred days one of your hypothetical questions was like should we do to the trump supreme court nominee what the Republicans did to Merrick Garland just because like John Roberts he or e Elena Kagan was born to do this right right and so he's he's definitely I mean I it's the trump T- is a brilliant TV producer therefore we must pretend like he's turning the presidency into reality show that's not it's not funny it's happening reality and Donald Trump will get to do whatever he wants to do for the next four to eight years yeah I mean my view on this is every Supreme Court nominee has required sixty votes we had the this seat was supposed to go to someone who was a consensus pick that was the deal and that's what Barack Obama did with Merrick garland course which is not a consensus pick many many Americans across the country believe and also of us that are very very different than what Maryland believed who should have got a fucking hearing Indiana who's running for DNC chair we will be back with him right after this this is positive America stick around there's more great show coming your way Pod Save America today is congressional Democrats to show to all those people showed up in airports and showed up at the women's March last week that it matters if they go 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Dot Com there is zero jargon zero sales pressure zero hassle it's very easy there's free quotes and great peace of mind so do not wait and if we can change that will be a big part of the way toward being able to compete and win in states like mine so you are you're Harvard University Graduate Rhodes scholar shooting for some ideological middle it was just about getting stuff done and when you deliver for people whether it's economic development or streetscape so just potholes yeah I don't care if he's a good guy that's not the point lot of Nice people out there doesn't mean you should be making life deficit life and death to sense right go play squash it's been done President Obama carried in the n two thousand eight we got Joe Donnelly we were pretty surprised about that we didn't know why that happened and and I think that a fresh start in new leadership is a pretty good place to begin would Democrat have to do to win statewide Indiana again well look chairs that I think our party really needs a fresh start you know if if you look at where we are even if we had won the White House are party would be in trouble when you look at the state houses the governorships and it's very strange to me that trumpet trump is probably in violation of the law by closing this meeting and making it a behind closed door thing if this is truly an advisor committee so if people and local orientation DNC has to be resource supporting state and local parties in their work not a mothership kind of beaming down instructions and to the ten could put him over the top and I think there are a lot of folks in certainly in my part of the country and around the country who feel like the Democratic Party isn't even talking to them isn't even trying or addressing that snow successfully or if I didn't and there's accountability for that I think we need to take that local accountability and and deliver it at the national level because there are a lot of people in their homes thing for office in Indiana what what did you say to people what is how how do you talk to people in Indiana who you know aren't of aren't either Republicans are our kitchen tables and their communities whose lives are going to be affected by the leaders who are in charge now and we need to connect up what's happening to them what's being done to them the decisions that are coming out of one pat's or conservative and unsure about the Democratic Party what's what's been your secret we're really focused on results united I got reelected with eighty percent of the vote and it wasn't about do that and I'm planning to visit every one of fifty seven states and territories in the first year not just T to show up and be there but also to work with the State Party leadership and let our listeners know what's your top the first couple of things you would do to change the DNC operates is if you were elected chair it's critical that we get back to a state the one benefit we do have at the local level is that there's no such thing as a fact free environment at the local level it's not like proving I wasn't born in Kenya people can tell if I plowed the and and take this job from where you are in south bend because it's so important I love southbound love being mayor South Bend but the reason I decided to be worth stepping away from this job to the DNC on formulating a plan that's right for their state at the same time we also have to talk about the things that cut across things that cut across our states geography enter different constituent ABC's and really return our vocabulary to immoral vocabulary that focuses on the values that whole Democrats together values in in my view we haven't now in South Bend we have we have families that are still trying to unite there's one case where the mom finally got clearance to come over Iraqi family future debate going on now about what the Democrats in the Senate should do both about trump's nominees and particularly his nominee for the refugees and Her clearance was going to allow her to come home in February this month I don't know what they're gonNa do now some of these people are refugees specific is with us in Afghanistan and and they're great allies this is unquestionably endangering American lives and there's gotta be accountability for that the same courtesy that they showed President Obama's nominees so you serve for For seven months in Afghanistan is lieutenant in the US Navy reserves what do you think about the story perfect because they helped us or the refugees because Isis is trying to kill them and if Isis is trying to kill you that's a pretty good sign that we ought to have your back you know with and what do you think about the the ban on immigration from from from muslim-majority nations I mean is this like the trump administration will say well the Obama administer read that that sort of broke last night that US military officials revealed that the trump ordered military raid in Yemen was insufficiently winging in in good faith and I think it's something that anybody who cares about a loved one or a friend in the military and used to be asking their government and did you do in that situation when yeah when the other side is not acting in good faith I think we have to be ready to the tactically ferocious that doesn't mean that we'll do anything that we whether it's this situation as the facts come out about this first operation and or whether it's more broadly decisions and in impulses thought out how how how extraordinary is that that that leak first of all and and what do you think about that story yeah I mean obviously we're still be ashamed of we're never gonNA break our relationship to the truth and two facts but it does mean that we're going to fight fire with fire and I think that we should show them exactly the information about it and we got to find out more about what happened there are a couple of things right off the bat I'd like to know more about like why was this decision making happening over meal but lives depend on this person's judgement our lives depend on him making good decisions with the facts that are presented to them asking good questions and acting Supreme Court Neal Gorsuch do you think Democrats should sort of waging all out effort to block trump's nominees and to block the Supreme Court nominee or how how do you think what would in a fight with Australia there's some of the chillers people I've ever known for having a meltdown and getting in a fight with a country which by the way I mean those guys were side by side look beyond the the specific case the thing that's always on my mind is you know everybody that I know in the military and and even people like me who are still in the ready reserve are a translation And I think about the guys who are out there with us I mean I would have a hard time looking them in the eye right now and I gotTa tell you as mayor old that energy and use it to do things like for example hold moderate Republicans accountable for the decisions they're making every single day in Congress you know they've got it go to the to these folks are showing airports are marching on the mall or in town squares about what how were they should channel their energy to have the biggest Asian identified these countries hotspots anyways so you know we're just trying to picture this is a totally different thing it's it's unconstitutional all the protests happening and at the airport of the women's March what we hear from people every day what we know people are asking is what should they do what can they do so what would your message decide whether they're going to follow this president who was unpopular and evidently unhinged or are they gonNA follow him off the cliff or are they going to do what's right and that accountable and recognize that it's a while before the next election although we've got to keep that energy alive for political purposes but there's more to it than just going from election to election we've got a bill early comes from US I'm I'm really glad we were marching in the in the streets and in the squares and in the airports I went to the airport protests in Houston it was a beautiful thing impact in fighting back on some of the things that trump in this republican congress are doing yes so there there's an energy that is waking up in our country that is extraordinary and we've got a harness it's embarrassing and again I think back to to my military experience we had civilians who put their lives on the line in order to work with us and we'd depended on them for inside information for same thing with the women's march but we also marching on the offices of members of Congress who are enabling this sort of thing and make sure that we recognize that it that it is ultimately connected more on the way Pod Save America is brought to you by movement watches movement watches was founded on the belief that style shouldn't break the bank their goal is to change the I think back to 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Ep. 604 - Is Trump Racist?

"Perhaps the biggest question of this year's midterm elections is why do Alexandria Keizo Cortez's is looked like the headlights of a runaway train that's about to derail and plough into everything. That is good about America, specifically and human life in general. Maybe that's just my biggest question. But in any case, the answer is simple. The woman is nuts. Proof comes in the new fundraising Email from the Google lied socialist loon which begins with the words, quote, and these are all real quotes six days from now, we can defeat the brutal white supremacist forces of anti-semitism, anti immigrant native, ISM and racism, unquote. So apparently, come Tuesday occasional Cortez is planning to invade nineteen forties. Germany the Email continues, quote, we can hold accountable the cold hot hearted monsters who have repeatedly attacked our healthcare. We can send a message to the biggest and billionaires that this country belongs to all of us, unquote. This portion is obviously tailored to appeal to occasional Cortez's base, namely shrieking hysterics who have no idea what the hell is going on outside of their own insufficiently Medicated imaginations, but wait, there's more. She says this election, quote, affords us the chance to forge a powerful. Bulwark against Donald Trump's toxic self serving and destructive agenda. We must offer a path out of the darkness, unquote. This of course is utter nonsense since she's campaigning in queens. Whereas everyone knows there is no path out of the darkness. Although the each rain will get you to Rockefeller Center, which is very nice around the holidays. Finally, the crazy lady concludes, quote, this is our chance to push back against white supremacist forces across our nation against the xenophobes who were militarizing the border against the bigots who seek to a race are transgender families against the apologised for sexual assault. And the Islamophobes who so eight to divide us unquote, occasional Cortez received an immediate response from America's white supremacists. Xenophobe, militarist bigot apologised Islamophobes who issued a statement saying quote, leave me alone. I'm busy watching porn trigger warning metraplate them. And this is the Andrew klavan show. Thompson. All right. We're back once again broadcasting from bin Laden's cave and the the American Satan had best beware. We will. I probably shouldn't make that joke. The FBI will come charging in your right? Don't miss the next chapter of another kingdom performed by Michael Knowles. The Clave last weekend is come last Clayton last weekend was a bear this one. You can hold off today. We'll be live streaming the first fifteen minutes of episode five and titled the nightmare feast had over the daily wire dot com. Subscribe to watch the full episode and get early access to upcoming episodes every Monday, but you can also listen to the entire episode. 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We only everybody always says that about every election. This is this is the MO nobody ever says, you know, this one. I maybe I don't know. But go if you want don't vote, no, this is the most important, and this is I have been asking around. I have some sources with inside knowledge. I have to tell you, no one knows anything. The polls are notoriously unreliable. They have been bouncing around like crazy even in the Senate races. Which are usually the better polls in the congress congressional races. I don't even know who's running polls and congressional races. I don't think they matter at all. And of course, turn out is everything in nobody. And everybody's telling me, they don't know. It's happened. So you get three possible outcomes. Right. One is the Republicans win they hold the house, and they hold the Senate. That would be an amazing development an amazing development. First of all it would be such a slap in the face of the far left. It would be such a slap in the face. When actually the far left what I'm talking about CNN NBC ABC, the New York Times, it would be telling them your resistance stank what you did to cavenaugh staff. Thank you and your hectoring people in restaurants Stang. It's all of it. We reject all of it. It would be America just turning to them like that wonderful. You know, freedom, you know? You know system that we have that just speaks back when people overstep the left is become radical it has become radical, and it has become socialist. And it has become violent at his has become entitled, you it's demanding things if we hold the house, which would just be, you know, wouldn't be unprecedent. But it just rarely happens in a term that the party in power doesn't lose a lot of seats in this case, you have this president who is such an outlier such a big figure divisive. He has made the left insane. The news news people have abandoned all their principles to get get at him. The talk show hosts are all against them. What Stephen Colbert had Nancy Pelosi on last night. And it was like oh pres hoop. We win so much. Why is that? Okay. Why is that? Okay. For a public network to broadcast and entertainment show that every night is just essentially a public service announcement for the Democrats. I do not know why that's fair or right? You know, they have the right? I'm not saying they don't have the right to do. It. I'm just saying. I don't know. Why? That's okay. Why this? All right. So that's one thing. That would be great. The next thing. Of course, is that we hold the Senate, but lose the house. That's the one that everybody's been saying is having that as kind of the common wisdom what everybody says is going to take place next that too. If we don't get like wipe down the house that too is a kind of victory because that's just following the map that means that Donald Trump and the resistance have not had a big effect. That that just means that Donald Trump, and the resistance haven't had a huge affect it means that for all the hysteria. All that, you know, news skewing, it's it's stories for all the entertainment industry coming out against not much has happened. That's just the map. That's the way. It goes. The other is the Blue Wave that was what was supposed to happen. But right now, according to the polls, which like I say are all over the place, and nobody knows if the Blue Wave happens, then we have to recalibrate we have to say, this is going to be terrible two years in which Donald Trump who is a master politician. He's going to be playing the opposition. But it's not going to be pretty not a lot is going to get done. And you know, a lot has gotten done, you know, congress with a small majority has really accomplished a lot they passed the tax reform Bill that was a big deal. They've rolled back regulations. They use that congressional review act. And of course, the great judges have been eighty four great judges the economy. I mean, nobody this is the funny thing elections nowadays are about nothing there about Jimmy up your emotions. Both sides. And you know, this is true on both sides there about what will make you emotional. What will get you out to the polls? It a seen world. If this were saying, you know, if this were the world from the civics class where they say, this is democracy. This is how democracy works in a scene world. We would be talking about the incredible economy. You know, do you want to keep this economy? This is these are the guys who brought to the economy put him back in. They will bring you more of the economy workers pay which everybody's been complaining about has ratcheted up its reach the highest level in over nine years. The new job numbers came out. There were unbelievable. The unemployment rate is still at three point seven, which is the lowest rate since nineteen sixty-nine. No major industry in the nation. Lost jobs as the increase in hiring just continues to surge. It is. Absolutely unbelievable economy is absolutely unbelievable. And it is because of the regulations dialing back. And you know, he was just another interesting thing. The press which has become radicalized. Like, I said eight percent of the people the radical eight percent of the country is running like eighty percent of the press, and that is a sin and it's wrong. And you know, it's not that. They don't have the right? They have the first amendment. They have any right? They want. But it shouldn't be this way. It should not be this way. And it's skewing everything. So we're paying attention to all the radicals, socialists, Andrew gillum who looks to me like a corrupt city mayor in Florida who seems to be a head Keizo Cortez. Of course, who was just, you know, if the woman bumped into a wall in a corner, it would take three people in a crane to get her out. She doesn't know anything about anything. She Don lemon should have a conversation because it would just be like sort of vapid little speech, clouds going back and forth. They don't neither those damn thing. This guy beta Aurore Roberto Roberto he says, he's such a Hispanic fellow award. Who's there just in love with in Texas? He looks like he's going to get blown away in ten. They looks like the INTERPOL. Or like eight nine ten percent for Ted Cruz. But they're in love with all these people that the fact is Kim strassel points this out in the Wall Street Journal today, the fact is to fight back against Donald Trump a lot a lot of the people running on the left or running as moderates. Now, it's a scam. Not because they might not be moderates in their hearts, but because they're going to vote with Pelosi or whoever it is who is in charge. They're going to vote with left on everything on everything. It doesn't matter. Whether they're nice people doesn't matter whether they served in the military doesn't matter what. But there have been a lot. They're pretty up. A lot of veterans constructional says is the year of the democrat veteran in battleground after battleground districts, Democrats recruited, former servicemembers as their candidates and most of them are running as moderates. I mean, even this Kirsten cinema and Arezzo China who called herself a product socialist. She said, I'm proudest she was caught on tape saying that she's running as a moderate. And and so and oh and. Who's the other one Claire mccaskill in in Missouri? She put out a radio ad, right? Saying, oh, I'm she's not one of those crazy Democrats. That's with the radio Adam says CONNER mccaskill, she's not one of those crazy Democrats. So Bret Baier Aster about this. And she said, well, I mean, I'm being civil and then Bret Baier baron, she had this wonderful exchange. Cut number ten just to be clear. There's not another crazy democrat in the Senate. Well, I would say this. I would not call my colleagues crazy. But Elizabeth Warren, Sherwin after me when I advocated tooling, some of the regulations for small, banks and credit unions. I certainly disagree with Bernie Sanders on a bunch of stuff. I'm not calling my colleagues crazy, but Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders that just a little bit. You know what I'm talking about? You know? Not. So that's the way they're they're running. They are running to the right for all the the press on occasion Cortez and Andrew gillum. They are running to the right as moderates, which they're not and will not be if they take the house we're gonna hear about impeachment almost immediately. Believe me everything everything they say is gonna go by the boards. 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And so they're pushing pushing is universal healthcare, which is a worse mess, but still that's their issue. And Trump is trying to keep it on the caravan this caravan, which I don't know who's paying for it. But this caravan has clearly been a blessing for Trump, and he has played it. He's now sending I think approximately five hundred thousand troops. No, I'm joking. The last night it was like fifteen thousand troops or something by the time. He's finished the entire American military will be standing on the Mexican border. And he says they're gonna play a tough. You know, there is Intel coming in that the people that he's right about the people in this caravan that many of them armed some of them are dangerous some of them present security threats to the United States. And he's got the threw rocks at the Mexican police and Trump says that is not going to happen here this cut number four. They're throwing rocks viciously and violently. You saw that three days ago, really hurting the military. We're not gonna put up with that. They wanna throw rocks at our military a military fights. Back. We're going to consider it. I tell them considered her rifle when they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military and police I say consider it a rifle, and that's tough talk. But he's right. You know, you cannot have your military you've being with rocks can kill rocks can really heard people, but he's talking about real. That's a really dangerous situation. People can get hurt that way. And they asked a gym Madison. They're saying, you know, they talking about this that Trump is doing this for the election. That's true. This is a good issue for him. It's a good issue for the Republicans. The Democrats do not know what to say because they secretly for open borders. They like what did rush call them undocumented, Democrats, he like undocumented Democrats coming into the country. So he's right there right about this. But but you cannot pretend the Trump is not been banging this drum since the last election since two thousand sixteen he has been this as an issue for him. So he's using it now with the caravan coming, but they're just pretending not there, and it is there. So it is a real issue. And they asked you Mattis, they say. Well, this is just a campaign stunt sending troops to the border. Not a good question to ask Mattis. Here's his response. The support that we provide to the secretary for homeland security is practical support based on the request from the Commissioner of customs border police. And so we don't we don't do stunts in this department. Thank you. We don't do stunts. And you gotta believe him because otherwise he'll kill you. You know, he just reaches out rips your throat out. Are you sure this I kill, you know, Madison's tough? But the thing is the thing is the Democrats have lost their way on this. They have just gone. We've played every possible person. We can you know, like saying that there shouldn't be Democrats. Harry Reid saying there shouldn't be birthright citizenship, and all the Democrats saying the from Barack Obama on down saying that we can't just let have open borders and let people in, but they've all changed and Project Veritas, which has been going after some. These campaigns and a wicked wicked way by which I mean wickedly well has got Bego aerobics people just saying, oh, yeah. We're using campaign funds to feed the can the caravan to help people through sending trucks down there, and he caught them on this. Let's let's hear a little bit of that next door to that. For me. I can ignore the pools off. I don't mind breaking the rules in I can defend any position. Vans to. Yeah. Bits rights to their to the bus. Why not? Then a nice professor. There's nothing is professional. This is like there's like. There's a. If you just say refined person event. Like his there's locks coming up for Halloween. Have you been able to go on like help out anymore? The other people. So it's. It more. More people. You know? And this is this is a fair video because this is a tone that is coming down from the top. I I in terms of immigration Vilson terms of dishonesty or work has been lying about the fact that he was in a hit and run accident and left the scene of the crime. He was he he's buried a an incident that happened in Texas a long time ago, I'll try and get back to that. So this dishonesty this kind of thing there are no rules will say anything we'll do anything as long as we can do what we want. That's typical leftism. It's the typical way these guys behave. So that's what we've got. We've got Trump on the one side of sending the military Madison's going down there personally personally biting the heads off illegal immigrants. That's Trump and on the other side is yeah, we're stealing campaign funds to help them. And we don't really care about the people who sent us the money. We'll do it whatever we want. There's no rulebook here. So Trump has an ad you taking advantage of this moment. Trump now has a new ad very powerful ad and for those of you who are not watching. But are listening features this monster by you know, hardly couldn't hardly call them. Human being this Louis Bracha Montas who's now on death row after he murdered to California sheriff's deputies, and you will see in this. It's a little hard to hear. But they have they have subtitles. But you'll see as when he was in court. He was laughing and saying I wish I could killed more police, and this is featured in the new Trump adhered. Hauling? No. He wants to apply for. Commended attempt of. Who else it says who else will the Democrats the Democrats let him in and President Trump is making America safe? Again. You know, let let's talk about this ad for a couple of minutes. Here, you know, back a month this came in snuck in I think during the Bill Clinton era he committed crimes he was went back. He was sent back into port at he broke in. Again, he broke in. I think twice more he came in under the Bush administration. So it's a little bit. You know, a little bit dishonest to say Democrats, let him in who else will they let in, but, you know, philosophically it's not as dishonest as all that it is there is one side that wants the border's secured. There's one side that wants the border secured. And then you've got another side. You got Alexandria Keizo Cortez saying, you know, I just want the ice to be there to ensure safe passage safe passage know one side, you know, I'm reading this book about the way our moral senses are developed in this is by Jonathan. Hate the righteous mind, and he talks about the different levels of the different ways. We react morally to things and one of them is whether we care about somebody and whether we do harm to somebody. But then there are other ways, and he says that liberals only react on this care harm matrix where access whereas Republicans and conservatives react on many different axes on our moral morality. So they're going all I care these people and we say, well, wait. Yeah. But there are a whole other things rule of law matters the borders matter, lots of different things matters. So it is fair to say it is fair to say illegal aliens have caused a lot of crime. I visited prisons a lot of illegal aliens in our prisons, and we have to have some kind of security at the border is fair to say that this is an emotional ad. But of course, of course, of course, the left that's the call it racist. Why is it racist? It is racist shows pictures of people trying to break through trying to break. Through the border fences breaking through border fences. Why is it racist because the people in the ad are Mexicans, right? The people in the outer Mexicans were not hanging out on the Canadian border watching, you know, boring old Canadians come over the border like that first of all they're not doing their Canadian. So they always apply and go through all the rules and regulations and all this. It is true that a lot of illegals come in by overstaying their visas that is true. And that's a problem as well. But this is a very very dramatic problem that is affecting people in the border states. It's not affecting east coast liberals in New York and LA. Well, it is affecting them in LA. But if you're rich enough, it's not bother not coming into your neighborhood. They're not bothering you. You're getting the hard working people who wanna do things, you know, take on the jobs as they say that Americans won't take on this. This is a serious problem that he is absolutely right. And they're comparing it to the Willie Horton ad in nineteen eighty eight. This was when Dukakis was running and and Bush ran. This ad saying that that this murderer Willie Horton had gone off on a furlough program that Dukakis approved of and struck again, here's that Bush and Dukakis on crime Bush supports the death penalty for first degree murderers. Dukakis not only opposes the death penalty. He allowed first degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison. One was Willie Horton murdered a boy and a robbery stabbing him nineteen times despite a life sentence or receive ten weekend passes from prison or and fled kidnapped a young couple stabbing. The man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend weekend prison passes Dukakis on crime. That's a very powerful, add Willie Horton was black. You would know if you weren't looking at it. But he happened to be black. I'm gonna talk about this in just a second. But first I want to tell you that coming up on Tuesday, November six election day. Our next episode of daily wire backstage the election edition that God cake. Jeremy boring will be lowered from the. 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You get the entire year, plus the leftist tears temp tumbler with which God willing we will need on Tuesday. And you get so much get all our shows. You get all our mailbags. Subscribe. You know, the the main reason is we want your money. You haven't we want? That is the main reason to subscribe come over to daily wire dot com. All right. You know? Let's so let's talk about this, Willie Horton. And let's talk about the the new ad is this racist is it racist? Now when Dukakis had came out, I was liberal. I voted for Dukakis and I saw that ad and they started screaming immediately. Oh, the recent what's racist about what's racist about? Oh, I get it. It's racist. Because the killer happens to be black. So there are two ways to look at the world. Right. One of them is through lens of race. And the other is not through the lens of race the argument of the left. So if you're not looking through the lens of race, you're only looking at behavior a man came in and killed two sheriff's deputies who had been here illegally before. And he slipped and again, we need border security. I don't care what color is and to be honest with you. I don't care what color is I do not care. What color? He is. Or what color the sheriff's deputies were the sheriff deputies as far as I'm concerned, we're colored khaki there on my side, though. The good guys. This guy's the bad guy. That's the way. I look at it. I'm not saying, I'm colorblind. I'm not saying I'm free of all the. The little glitches that human beings have in their heads. I'm not, but I overcome them free human being with a logical mind who can overcome some of those prejudices at I would say most of those prejudices. I'm just not looking at that. I'm looking if you let a murderer go for you're not you have not got the right criminal policy. I thought that then when I was a liberal. I think it now that I'm a conservative. I still think it, and I do not think they're charged is is valid. I think that you are not allowed to say you cannot criticize this person. If you criticize this person, according to the and he's a certain color, you are against that color skin. We know you can't do it because they immediately turned around if a dark person disagrees with them they immediately jump on him. So it's not about that. It's all about the leftism as I said yesterday, it's not about the color of the skin that's a scam. But what about Trump himself is Trump a racist? I mean, I think you know, I watched Trump, and I have been he said one thing to me that was. Was egregious. Which was when he was running the first time and they asked him if he would disavow the Cox clan and he stumbled on it he stumbled on it. He didn't do any way to today. I don't know how long it was maybe two days before he stumbled on. Now, I interpreted that I interpret that as really bad politicking Trump wants to win. You'll that's his thing he wants to win and sometimes overlooks the moral aspect of something disavow, the Ku Klux Klan, even if it costs votes, you do it. It's just something you do you have to you. If you can't vow the clan. What do you stand for you? Don't stand for anything he hesitated because he wanted those votes. No, one could possibly believe that this guy is a clansman. That's an absurd argument. You know, the other day I'm gonna I'm gonna say something almost nice about Hillary Clinton the other day this piece of video of Hillary Clinton made the rounds. This is Hillary making a joke during an interview let's play. What do you think of Cory Booker? They didn't come on him, and your feel all I don't what do you think about him saying kick them in the shins essentially start to get to that kind of political? That was colder air. Sorry. Yeah. I know they all look alike. No, they don't. All right. So everyone on the right jumped on Hillary Clinton. And let's listen kicking Hillary Clinton around as good sport. And we should all do it. It's lots of fun. But I've made that joke a lot of people. I know of made that joke. It is. It's funny. First of all, and it's based on some kind of small truth. You know, it's a little harder for white people to distinguish people of color from one another something. I remember when I pitched the movie one missed call. I was a Japanese horror film, and I had to go in and pitch. My version of it. I got the plot all wrong because confuse it was Japanese confuse two of the beautiful Japanese actresses in the film. And I missed a lot the people. I was bitching to add to correct me. You know? So it's funny. If we can't laugh with each other about this. He can't live together if we can't make jokes about each other. We can't live together that is the way you discharge hostility in a non toxic way. There's nothing wrong with what Hillary Clinton said. I know we're supposed to jump on her and every little thing. And I know they would jump on us. If it were the other way around I mean, good. Golly. If it had been Trump who made that joke, you know, they'd be outside with pitchforks. Still still I think that you either look at the world and say, hey, I know, we're all different colors. I know there's some glitches in there in our minds that make the some tribalism inside we're born to be tribal. It's a good adaptation. I know all that stuff. But so what we're gonna make jokes about it? We're going to be fine. We're all gonna get together. We're all Americans. That's one way of looking at the world that is one way of looking at the world. I serious we believe that that is the way Trump thinks I, you know, you know, I'm not a verse to dump be Trump or attacking Trump. And I think he's wrong when I think he's doing something wrong. I seriously think he's just thinking about fixing stuff, and and winning and winning sometimes he thinks about winning so much. He forgets to think about things that are a little bit more important than winning. But that's what he's thinking about. When Jim Acosta said to him, you call yourself, a nationalist on she worried that people like me will try and twist that as I will. Will to say white nationalist Trump's response was I've never even heard that theory. I've never even heard about that before. I literally think that's true. I literally think he does not when when he was talking in Charlottesville, and I know Ben and I disagree about this. And he said, they're great people in both sides. If you go back and listen to that transcript and Trump is not always the clearest speaker in the world. He's clearly referring to both sides of the question of whether statues like that of Robert E Lee should be torn down. That's what he's talking about the media made it sound as if he was saying, oh, there's great people on the Nazi party that you know, which is absurd. Does anybody really think that, you know, Trump goes to Vonk says, well, yes, you you're Jewish, but they're great people in the Nazi party to. No, I mean, no, it doesn't make any sense people. It's like when people say Trump is Hitler. And you say is he killing anybody as he rounding anybody up? What's he doing, you know, people live in their imaginations, and they do not make the distinction between their imaginations and reality. We all do this a little bit the left doesn't all the time. I seriously believe that Trump is just not thinking in those terms. Remember, remember, the left set the terms of racism, the left set the terms about whether we should discuss every little thing about racism is it racist? If you're in an elevator and a black man gets into be nervous about that. Is that racist? You know, I don't actually think it is. If you're if you're in a neighborhood where black people commit crimes, but so what if it is? So what is a little glitch in your mind? So what it's not hostile. It. Doesn't mean you're going to be mean or not hire people or anything like that the left set the terms where we're supposed to walk on glass about everything we say about every move we make anything that comes into your mind that may not be the, you know, the is part of original sin part of the broken life of being a human being they set these terms. They set these terms, you know, somebody said to me, what of my favorite things that somebody wants set about me was you don't even know your -fensive. You don't even know your offensive, and that's true. Because I really know in my heart that I only want people to do what they want and be happy. That's my point of view. If I say, something that's offensive. Hey, I'm a person of goodwill. You know, it it's probably just a glitch something I stumbled over they left set these terms, and they only apply to the right? They only apply to the right? Remember when Harry Reid or whoever Joe Biden says, oh, Barack Obama. He's what a clean negro. We don't have that many clean negro. That's fine. They don't care about that. If anybody on the right says it it's a problem. You know, I wanna take a by the way just to throw this in President Trump used as -secutive power for the first time to designate a national monument establishing a three hundred acre site in Kentucky to honor African Americans role as soldiers during the civil war. So that he's the worst white supremacist ever. There's just no question about it. They set the terms in which gaffes are revealing and most of the time they're lying. So Mitt Romney says I'm gonna stuff. Women in binders. Oh, we had all these women in binders. Meaning we had resumes of women. We're looking to hire women, and we had women in our binders. And they said, oh what a gaffe? What a gaffe, you know, Mitt Romney. They man who stuff swimming into minors help mitt don't do it. Yes. I'm a stuff you into the binders or you don't escape, you know. It's like the woman you keeping a pumpkin shell I stuffed them into binders nonsense. It's nonsense and it only runs one way. So let's take a look at some of the gas that may be a little bit more revealing than that Hillary Clinton one. I let Hillary Clinton off the hook. Because I know she was not saying anything racist. She was making a joke. It's okay for us to make jokes. Not everything we say has to be judged on a scale of okay or outrage. That's ridiculous. We're just Uman beings. We're all Americans were living together. But let's take a look at some real gaffes that really were interesting Joe Donnelly in Indiana was debating Senator Joe Donnelly, Indiana is debating he has a slim lead right now over the Republican challenger, Mike Braun, and he made this remark about how. His staff his diverse, we want everybody to have a chance in Indiana and in America and my offices reflect that both on the campaign side. And on the Senate side. Our state director is Indian American. But he doesn't amazing job. Director of all constituent services. She's African American, but she doesn't even more incredible job than you could ever imagine it isn't their race or their religion is incredible person that they are. But at the same time they have to have a chance now. Now. I don't usually cringe. But I have to say when I heard that. I did cringe is African American, but she doesn't. Job. But that's a gaffe and doesn't reveal that secretly in his heart. He's a racist. You know, I don't think so I have to say to his credit. His his challenger Mike Braun said I don't hold out against him. I don't think he's a racist. What an adult thing to say. But he added he added that if it had been me if it had been a Republican is all we would be hearing in the news, and that's the difference. So, you know, there are gaps in their gaffes the differences, the gaff meter only goes one way only ratchets one way. Then there are things that are actually are kind of revelatory. All right, Elizabeth Warren, and obviously in Massachusetts, she's debating, and she was going back and forth with Geoff Diehl, and they were discussing the cavenaugh hearings, which is a big issue that really determine the tide. I think of the way voters were feeling people thought if you guys are going to do that. And if the press is going to do that to a man without any corroboration without any proof. You guys are out of control. And I think that really did give some. Momentum to the right. So warren. This thing is well, you didn't stand up for Christine blazey Ford and deals thing is, you know, you didn't stand up for due process in the middle of this. You mentioned the fact that she sent out a fundraising letter, which I believe is against the Senate rules based on the cavenaugh hearing. And he says, you know, you did that and it slips through the cracks until the moderator brings it up again. And listen to it Elizabeth Warren does that was such an intense moment in our country's history. As far as trying to deal with presumption of innocence, the cornerstone of our legal system, and you were willing to throw it right out the window because you were part of the Senate Democrats who were trying to score political points by using poor Dr Ford's testimony as a way to drag down a man without any corroborating evidence. So I don't think I quite understand the answer. Because I'm looking for the times when you have called out Donald Trump when he's made fun of someone like Dr Ford when he's made. Fun of someone who I would I would like to drill down on what Representative deal said the the fundraising while the vote was being taken on the cabinet. I did you did you not do that. Actually. I don't know. And I don't know what the. Ethics committee in their acne plane has been filed about a fundraiser. And then I will I will check into. But I don't know. You have any response to that represented? You could hear the audience groaning as distantly in the background because she lied. I mean, she's lied. She lied with a kind of reflects that I've seen before Obama used to lie like that. I don't know. I don't know what we're funded by food. A how do I know what over fundraising? I mean, that's absurd. Utterly absurd. And that is telling that's really telling there's an ethics complaint filed against her. And she hadn't heard about it. She looked completely blindsided by that. And you know, we can make fun of the Pocahontas stuff. But that's another way that she's been lying. You know, what I mean, it would have been so simple. So simple for her to say, you know, gee, that was a family legend, and I believed it and now, I know it's not true. But instead she said, no, look, I'm one one thousand and twenty four th of an Indian so get me a headdress and off I go, you know, I mean, I think that that that does tell something about her. And then there were some really bad stuff coming up again. I'm talking about this stuff because the press doesn't if the press did we would be having a much different election. It would not be about these kind of big. Roundhouse punches that everybody's throwing. But we would be in fact about the nature of these people Andrew gillum who the poll show him winning in against run the centers in Florida for governor, which I just think is amazing. I mean, what is going on that they think this? Corrupt mayor of socialist mayor is a good guy. And they and once again Project Veritas went in and talked to one of his campaign staffers, Omar more Smith, we also said he was a friend of his old Pao says and just he just more Smith who has since been fired since this video said, yeah, we just lie about all our positions because we don't want people to know the truth. Fear heels in the Monday begin with one. I am in. Just about anything. He's not saying specifically like I'm gonna bam. Stocks are on. I do think he was appointed to do that though. Who knows? Right. That's all I'm worried about. Maybe I just say this guys. The moderates and the bento. All right. This is fast state. Okay. Cracker, Steve, okay. Gave anybody outside of here you go port St. Lucie. Orlando crackers ain't gonna let him do that. That is doing. Say you're saying that different environments where he speaks. He'll he'll address a different audience. So it just we rely. It's a cracker state after state, you know, and they fired him. But still, you know, it I think that tells you something, you know, it's like. You know, it's kind of like it's kind of like a woman comes up to you in a bar or a man comes up to a woman in a bar tries to pick you up, and you say, you know, that's really flattering. But I'm married and she says, oh, well, your wife doesn't have to find out. It's like, I know my wife doesn't have to find out. That's not the point. So when you got your campaign workers who saying, yeah, we lie because it's a cracker state. We hate him. We ate them. Why are you running? If you hate the state, if you hate the people while you're running, you know to impose on them something against their will is that why you're running is that what your politics is about. You know, it doesn't make any sense to me. It is a real deal. These these are real scandals, not just gaffes the New York Times released an expose. I was talking about this before started talking about this about beta Rourke when he was in real estate development, first of all revealed for the first time that he's not a blue collar guy, but the son-in-law of a billionaire and they reported that O'Rourke father-in-law proposed gentrifying neighborhood in El Paso, by force bulldozing public housing to make way for restaurants shopping district and an art walk and Aurora. Work the times claimed serve served as the quote pretty face for the plan while also serving in city government. What's interesting about this story when it came out? They were attacked the times was attack savaged by its readers who didn't want to hear about this. This is a problem that the times has created for it self by becoming a leftist rag instead of what it used to be a newspaper. It now has readers will only want to hear the good news about the left. They don't want to hear these stories. So you can't report the truth about losing your audience, which is fine. If you're showing Hannity, or you know, Chris what's his name on MSNBC if you're right open partisan. But if you're supposed to be a newspaper, and you can't report the news, you've really screw things up. All right. So listen here we are. We do not know what's going to happen. We just don't know. I really do believe that things could go either way. I am hopeful I'm hopeful that there is going to be a hold in the house. I think is the how can I say at the at the situation. Is there exists that could create that? I think if the press were reporting simp-. Honestly, simply a po- po- face straightforward way. It would be that way. But I think we're just going to have to find out. It is a tense. Interesting suspenseful race. It is an amazing race. And I think like it's really worth following. 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Kavanaugh confirmation vote on hold amid new FBI probe, Official: Trump "Blames Flake, Democrats" for Kavanaugh delay, Ford lawyer: we welcome FBI investigation of Kavanaugh, but should be no "artificial limits as to time or scope

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Kavanaugh confirmation vote on hold amid new FBI probe, Official: Trump "Blames Flake, Democrats" for Kavanaugh delay, Ford lawyer: we welcome FBI investigation of Kavanaugh, but should be no "artificial limits as to time or scope

"Hi, it's Lisa Ling. I am so excited about this season. We explore such a diverse array of topics. So please join me for another incredible journey BRUCE'S life with Lisa Ling Sundays at ten pm on CNN. Out front next to Trump orders, new FBI investigation into Brett cavenaugh putting the supreme court nominees confirmation on poll how one Republican Senator force Trump's hand plus the confrontation. Everyone is talking about two women who say they're, they are sexual assault survivors today. Take on Senator Jeff flake. Did they change Kavanagh's fate, and Christine. Blasi Ford's families speaks out, how is she coping? And what is fourth reaction to the FBI investigation for sisters in law are my guests. Good evening. Everyone. I'm Kate Baldwin in for Erin Burnett out front tonight. We have breaking news, Donald Trump orders, FBI investigation. The White House says the president has authorized a new FBI background investigation into his supreme court nominee, Brad Kavanagh, and the allegations of sexual misconduct against him. The investigation according to the president will be limited in scope and must be completed in less than a week that timeline now delaying plans for the entire Senate to hold a final vote on Brad Kavanagh. So why the delay it started with one Republican Senator Jeff flake who went from saying, I will vote for cavenaugh this morning at about nine twenty five AM to demanding an FBI investigation before the final vote just hours later, what happened in those few short hours in between this remarkable confrontation. I. Believe me. I didn't tell anyone in your telling all women's data matter that they should just stay quiet because if they tell you what happened to them, you're going to ignore them. That's what happened to me. And that's what you're telling all women in America. They don't matter. They just keep it to themselves because if they told the truth or just help that man to power anyway. Telling all of us. You're telling me right now talking to you and you're telling me. Fixity. You're going to do. You like them. They. Flakes turnabout effectively force President Trump to do something that he vowed that the f. b. I couldn't and shouldn't do. Not for the FBI. If you look at what Joe Biden said, he said they don't do this. I don't think the, I really should be involved because they don't wanna be involved if they wanted to be. I would certainly do that. But as you know, they say this is not really their thing. So if yesterday was historic whirlwind today, we all have historic whiplash. Maharaja was out front for us live on Capitol Hill right now mono where things stand right now. While right now, Republicans, reluctantly agreed to delay vote. That was going to happen early next week to confirm judge Brad Kavanagh. But after flakes dramatic announcement, the public and leaders agreed to allow for that one week time period for the FBI to investigate now what the buys gonna investigate are quote, credible allegations against Brad Kavanagh. It's unclear exactly how many of these accusers will be produce by the FBI. But the Republican senators told me that that's for the f.. The I determine now Kate, the big question is what does not finish investigation by the end of this next week will the Republican Senator Jeff flake agree to move forward? He told me just moments ago that he would believe that will be done. And at that point, the Senate should move forward. Lisa, the Alaska Republican Senator would not go that far. She punted when I asked her directly about that issue, so we'll deal with it at that point. And also what happens if the FAA pro fines, anything untoward in his record and how will the Republicans respond then? So a lot of questions about his nomination in the aftermath of this brother stunning development today, Kate. Absolutely. And this played out in the judiciary committee this morning. You were inside of there as this confusion was playing out, what was it like to be in their motto? Well, Jeff flake was visibly distraught all day long after he'd been confronted by those protesters. He was head his head was in his hands. He was frown. Ning clearly, and he one point got up late in the proceedings went in approaches friend, democrat, Chris, coons, they disappeared for some time. They were having some significant discussions and then coons relaid that message to other Democrats on the committee and that led to more discussions and clear confusion about what exactly would happen leading up for that dramatic moment or flick announce that there should be a delay. It was played out in real time. Flick had not plan this going in. I asked him specifically the protesters force, your change of heart. He said, I cannot quote pinpoint the reason why he said you've gotten a lot of friends who had called him and urged him to do this. And he had a sleepless night last night and ultimately he decided to call for that. Fascinating. Maheu. Thank you so much. Can only imagine what the weekend next week is going to bring out front with me. Now, Frank Bruening New York Times columnists SE Cup, CNN political commentator and host of SE Cup unfiltered and Mark Preston is here's c. n. n.'s senior political analyst, Frank you what Monte said? Because it seems that maybe even Jeff flake is sure what what brought about the turnabout if you will, what do you think though made the difference with Jeff flake and then and the Republicans that then got on board with something that they were not on board with at least publicly which was more investigation. I think Jeff flake has been struggling with this for quite some time. And if you go back to the end of Thursday, the end of the hearings at the everyone in the Jewish Committee spoke, everyone spoke from a very partisan position. If you remember, Jeff flake was the one who stressed there is a lot of doubt here. So he said he's spent a sleepless night. I think during that night he was thinking we don't have any clarity were moving forward trying to decide about a lifetime. Appoint. Into the supreme court. We don't have clarity. I think he was probably struggling with it when he said, let's go ahead when he cast the vote. I don't know if this tipped it, but I think he has been on a course was trying to find a reasonable compromise position. And this came to him and I think this is a reasonable compromise position. I think we eliminate of thanks and credit for coming up with it. I mean, if you listen, if you've been following the step-by-step, it is remarkable how quickly this turnabout today saying, give more time to the investigation. Have another investigation a couple of days that has been asked for quite some time at this point. Do you think that it's possible that these women speaking up to Jeff flake? Yeah, confronting him in that elevator could have changed the course of this whole thing. You know, I've I've interviewed Jeff flake a number of times over the years you have to. I'm sure he is in many ways not meant for this world. This dirty rough and tumble. Partisan uncivil political climate right now. He says it as much this about him, but I think that's real. And so he fascist fashions himself sort of modern day Barry Goldwater who would very much like to bring the disparate parts of the party together. The party in return has said, no, thanks, we're fine, fine. I think he really was impacted by that elevator. Confrontation is off of him when when they if you know him, you know a little you could read on his face how uncomfortable he was how he was in the moment, taking it in. I mean, for anyone to be across from that must, I'm sure be really jarring and disorienting, but to take it in and to be the target of this NS this hostility, the sadness, frustration and anxiety, I think, was very real. And I think like his book, he had a conscience sort of crisis and it became personal. He's also it's important. Remember he's leaving the Senate. He's in his final days, final months of the Senate, and I think he's kind of struggling with the whole idea of what is proper public service. You know what sort of legacy and leaving behind he's in a moment of kind of soul-searching that not all senators usually end of self reflection than they're not all mar. When it comes down to it, what has happened now with this additional investigation. Doesn't this make it all depends on what comes out. Let me put that out there, but doesn't this make it easier for Republicans like Jeff flake or Susan Collins, or Lisa Murkowski to eventually get to? Yes, because the process that they've been talking about is is better if you will. Yeah. I mean, look, there's been a couple of different wars that we have seen before out over the last couple of days. There's been this really internal Washington DC political capital hill war about who has control and how, how are we going to implement a certain process in a way that has decorum in protocol, which by the way there isn't any more in Washington. So there's that war and then there is this political war, but I gotta tell you what they can say, all they want about how there's going to be very strict parameters on this investigation that the f. b. i. is only going to look into Carnell again, what what those are remains to be seen. But that doesn't mean that we're not gonna see all kind of opposition research being thrown out about Brad Kavanagh over the next week that will, in some way, try to influence the likes of Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski or Jeff flake or Ben Sasse not to support him in the end. So this is going to be really ugly. I think over. The next week. It's really interesting because they're one no vote as of this morning, that had been a question Mark before is democratic Senator Joe Donnelly in red from red state, Indiana, very tough reluctant battle. And the reason he was a no is because according to his statement, the investigation there was no investigation. I have deep reservations about judge Kavanagh's nomination to this lifetime position. And as I state we, as I've said, we have been unable to get only information necessary regarding this nomination despite my best efforts. I look at that and I start wondering, so does this move also make it easier possibly for red state, Democrats to get to? Yes. Which I think which Marcus it makes it easier for a lot of people to get to. Yes, but that all depends on what is found or not found in the next couple of days and it's not just at the FBI will be investigating the media has been all over this and five, six, seven more days is that many more days for us to see headlines that none of us can guess. And it could have as much of an impact on this as whatever the FBI investigation does or doesn't turn the president just ten days ago. It said that the FBI of the FBI this really isn't their thing. That's one of his on this thing now it clearly is he doesn't mean a choice in this matter day. You know, it was so interesting because he was first presented with this new news, I think in real time and maybe had not really heard much about it. And so I imagine his reaction was natural will sure. Okay. Whatever they want to do is fine with me. It was remarkable to see his restraint and discipline and. His civility when talking about professor Ford, for example as a credible witness. But I think all of that just shows how confident he is in Brett Cavanaugh. I don't think that showed sort of losing the grip here. I think he's that confident in brick having all that whatever happens over the next week as historic as it will be. Again, I think he thinks that the end of the day, he's getting his guy into this room court. I wanna show you though Mark what the president said week ago. And then he said today, I let me redo part of a tweet from last week. Of course. He says, quote, I have no doubt that if the attack on Dr Ford was as bad as she says charges would have been immediately filed with the local law enforcement authorities by either or or loving parents. And now today is looking to, this is what the president says. Doc reports testimony. I thought her testimony was very compelling, and she looks like a very fine woman, very fine woman. And I thought that. Testimony. Likewise, was. Really something that I haven't seen before. It was incredible. It was an incredible moment. I think in the history of our country. But certainly she what is a very credible witness. She was a very credible witness, who is this man? How dare you? How dare you ask me to try to make sense of the senseless with with President Trump and what he says today, what he might have said yesterday and what he plans to say. Thousand, right? No, but you know, I mean, look, the bottom line with him is in this is what's really dangerous is that he's angry. He's vindictive, but he's also impulsive. And the last thing is is what scares me the most. Because if you go back to that tweet before him before, even hearing anything from a doctor fort, he went out there and knocked her down, but he does that on every major issue not only here in the US but also with our allies. And that's what is is really concerning to say, guys. Thanks so much. Let's see what happens in the next five minutes out front. Next, the blame game, new details. Just coming in on who President Trump is blaming for having to order the FBI investigation plus the family of pristine Blasi for speaking out what is their reaction to this news? The delay in Kavanagh's confirmation vote, I'll ask them and is the Christine Blasi. Ford is what is the Christine Blasi affect survivors of sexual assault now are telling their stories after yesterday's testimony. Do remember where when and how when you're sexually. So like you never forget. Are you drowning in credit card debt? Now you can have a large portion of your credit card debt forgiven. 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What else are you hearing about what's going on behind the scenes? They're okay. We're hearing that the president was watching this dramatic moment unfold, like all the rest of Washington sort of confused and uncertain. What exactly was going on in the moment, but he held his tongue today as we've been saying all day long, not blaming anyone a publicly, but privately. Of course he's blaming Jeff flake. He's least favourite Senator anyway and also blaming Democrats for this. But the president also was advised earlier today against taking a premature victory lab. In the words of one official, he's been around Washington long enough to know that things happen in the Senate. Even though he wasn't expecting this, they knew something like this would happen. But the reason that he signed that order tonight to essentially that goes against everything. Thing that he's been saying for the last ten days. He had no choice. Mitch McConnell. The Senate Republican leader made it clear to the White House and the president there. Several phone calls this week that they did not have the votes. This is the only way forward on this. But there is a question here tonight. I'm hearing from a lot of Republicans. If this FBI background check is going to come out in a week if it's clean, if there's nothing in it will some of these Democrats who've been complaining so loudly, will they change their minds and vote for him or not? So that is one of the shifts here in the conversation, the White House is going to start doing, but why does visuals also are bracing for what the president might say over the weekend? He's gone after Jeff flake before, and he has a Saturday night campaign rally tomorrow night in wheeling West Virginia could go wrong and the home state of one big question Mark vote, Joe Manchin great to you, Jeff. Thank you so much. Fascinating. I'll from we now former FBI assistant director, Greg brower, and former Justice department official in sex crimes prosecutor Francey. Hey. Guys, it's great to have you back, Greg. Let's talk about what we know which is very little about what this investigation is going to tell. As of now they say the investigation will last no longer than one week. Do you think they can get it done in a week. It's hard to say it's possible, but of course it may be impossible. It all depends on the scope of the reopen background investigation how many witnesses are to be interviewed. And then of course, with each witness interview, it's not uncommon that additional witnesses identified who then have to be interviewed. So this could be a much more complicated, much longer process than a week would allow for. We just don't know at this point Francais you've, you've said that the Senate has all the information that they need. But now we heard today that Mark judge full Blasi. Ford alleges is the soul. I witness to the attack. He says that he will cooperate now with an investigation, aren't there obvious follow ups for him? Now after the hearing things changed. No, I really don't think things have changed at all. This is just a delaying tactic. What you have are obvious allegations that have no credibility. And that is the allegations specifically by Julie Swidnik which marked judge has also denied by the way. So he's denied it. I don't expect him to say anything, but I didn't do it or I wasn't there to the FBI and Greg is completely correct. It is probably impossible for the FBI to conduct any kind of thorough investigation. If you're talking about all three of these women's allegations, if you're just talking about Dr Ford allegations, I think that's an easier matter. I think the FBI can talk to people that have already been named in a week, but as Greg pointed out interviews often lead to other interviews. So where does it end? Well, let's let's dig into this a little bit more because the White House in talking about the additional this additional education I it describes it and I've heard it from senators as well. That must deal with current and credible. Allegations is the terminology that they're using. Greg also limited in scope, and you mentioned scope. So does this reach beyond Ford's allegations? Do you think this does include Debbie Ramirez and Julius, what Nick. Well, we don't know at this point, but I would suggest that that may set up the next fight within the Senate Judiciary committee. I'll I suspect that if the Democrats on the committee believed that the scope is too limited to fairly an adequately follow up on these new allegations and all of them, I suspect they will squawk about this being just more of a an unfair rushed process. And it puts us right back to where we were today, which is a stalemate on the committee and a lot of discomfort on the part of even some Republicans. And so it sort of depends if Democrats don't think this is a full fare reopening. I just think we're going to be right back to fighting about this or at least the Senate Judiciary committee will be when it's finished. Freezing. Who decides the limited scope here who who decides. Well, that's a great question. Kate. Normally it would be the FBI agents conducting the background investigation or the. Criminal investigation. But here you had Senator flake say, very clearly on the judiciary committee floor that he expects it to be limited in scope. So someone besides the f. b. i. has to decide what the scope is. I haven't heard anyone yet. Say what the scope is, and can I just say with respect to Julie, sweating allegations, these are absolutely in credible on their face. You have a woman claiming that she was an eighteen year old, attending high school parties with fourteen fifteen and sixteen year old boys running rape gangs that she continued to attend to the tune of more than ten times and watched minor teens being raped that is absurd on his face. So no, the FBI should not look into that allegation, Greg, but is that who do they decide it? Go ahead, Greg, you're killing me. Let me help with this one in the normal course in my experience in in watching background investigations at the FBI. This is really. A process that's run by the White House. The White House is essentially tells the FBI what it wants done, what scope of investigation wants done, and then the FBI agents go out and do that work, and if necessary, even make preliminary reports back to the White House counsel's off. The president didn't even want additional background check in the first place will that is the problem. Let me let me suggest that had the background investigation was if it was reopened. Let's say a week ago and it was conducted in a way that Democrats on the committee thought was fair than likely. The Democrats would not have had that particular process foul to call to throw a flag on a today, and we'd likely be looking at a vote with Democrats voting. No, if they pose the nominee but not because they thought the process was on fair. So I think in retrospect it looks like the misstep was not reopening last week when it could have been done. I'm starting to wonder. The Democrats sat on this for six weeks. That's the mid starting to wonder. Well, people think that there's going to be clarity. I'm starting to wonder if this conversation is if the cloud is going to be lifted at all. At the end of this at the end of this coming week, you guys we've back and you can tell me great to see you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. This important night out front for us. Next Christine Blasi Ford's family speaks out after she tells her story, their reaction to the new FBI investigation, her sisters in law, join me next plus the outrage over Kavanagh's, hearing protests shouting down Senator is the new normal. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. We tell stories on dates because dates or when we get to explain where we've been in, what we've seen in why we think like we do my name is Paul Shirley, and I hope you'll check out my new narrative podcast stories I tell on dates, you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Tonight. Christine Blasi Ford's attorney says that she welcomes an FBI investigation into the allegations against judge Brad Kavanagh, but doesn't want a time limit put on how long investigation last Deborah Katz saying in a statement, this'll read the student part, Dr. Christine Blasi Ford welcomes the step in the process and appreciates the efforts of senators. Flake Rakowski mansion, and Collins, and all other senators who have supported an FBI investigation to ensure it is completed before the Senate votes on judge capitals domination, no artificial limits as to time or scope should be imposed on this investigation out from now, Deborah Ford Peters and Sandra Medlar there, Christine glossy Ford sisters in law, their brother Russell Ford is Christine's husband. Thank you both for being here. Thanks for having us. Thank you. Debra, let me let me start with the news that we're talking about this evening. Your sister in law has said that she is absolutely willing to cooperate with an FBI investigation. The president just ordered one. Do you think this is a good faith effort at getting to the truth. I think it's essential and and very positive. I think Christine presented her her accounting of of the events that happened to her and she deserves for others to be interviewed and for for the truth to come out, Sandra your sister in law described her. She says she experienced in pretty in vivid detail, and one of the most emotional moments during her testimony was when she described she was asked and described what she remembers most from the night of the alleged attack. Listen to this. Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter the lap uproarious laughter between the two and they're having fun at my expense. What was it like listening to that for you? I can tell you, I had tears running down my cheeks. It was so difficult to listen to, and I know a lot of people around the country felt the same way. And so it was a, she was speaking from the heart, and it was a really raw and difficult moment. It was really, really tough. Debra, this is I wanna know what you felt in a moment what you feel even hearing it again. I mean, this is your this is your sister in law, and she said this before the Senate panel before the country before the world. I mean, you now see the images of how many people were listening in. What were you feeling at that moment? I was extremely moved. I love Chrissy I've, I've heard her talk about many different kinds of feelings or genuinely I can feel her pain really, and. I just was impressed by her bravery and. I just felt like I was right there with her in the pain as I think a lot of people probably felt. Did you both listen then afterward to judge caverns testimony? Yes, yes. All the way through. Yes, I listened to most of it, not all of it all the way through. Yes. Is it because you couldn't or you just. I actually had a commitment and I couldn't listen to the rest of it. It was difficult to listen to. I think it's okay to discontinue a little bit. I think when I listened to to cavenaugh speak to me, it was so different than listening to Christine, speak and. And it was hard in the evening to hear the discussion about the two of them speaking because. I felt like the two experiences of listening to them were so different one was offering to share everything she could recall, and the other was. They have and. Very different tone. So I felt like they were very different testimonies. It was interesting to hear commentary that they were both so so similar in their emotional impact. I wonder. I think that was just something that was very confusing to me reflecting on this. There wasn't after the fact. I'm sorry there. Denver there was. There was a moment when judge cavenaugh talked about your sister in law, he became emotional when he did own a play that for you, listen to this. And little lies all ten years old. Said to Ashley, we should pray for the woman. We mean no ill will. What do you say to them? I had a hard time understanding his emotions. So I think it sounds nice that he has no ill will, but it seemed kind of out of place and. I didn't feel like he was really relating to her as a person. Most of the time there wasn't much narrative about how they knew each other or. How this might have gotten interpreted by him versus her. So I felt like he was extremely defensive even to the point of being belligerent earlier, and then he would come out with this emotion. It just didn't seem very cohesive in the narrative. Debra, how about you? I mean, Sandra, how about you? Yeah, I thought it was a really confusing set of ideas that were being put forward and. And I, it is hard to explain to a ten year old what's happening, and I'm sure that it's really difficult to be confronted with experiences from earlier in his life, and there may be, you know, really a lot of feelings about confronting that experience earlier in his life. And I think the important thing is that this testimony in this hearing was about his character and that to me seemed like an attempt to show a side of his character and wasn't very persuasive to me. I think that. That would have been what would have been more persuasive to me would have been to hear him being open to exploring an open to having point of view and open to having a greater conversation with more people involved. That would have been way more persuasive. Debra, given all that your family has been through your sister-in-law, your brother children have been through. If if judge cavenaugh is confirmed to the supreme court. Will it have been worth it. It's interesting. I had my son's with me yesterday home from school, twelve years old and fifteen years old, and they were watching the whole thing and they were so impressed by their by their aunt and so learning about this process and and what it's like to be brave, what it's like to speak publicly, what it's like to have emotions and try to manage that their hearts were just bursting for her. And so I feel like there's tremendous learning and all of this for all of us, and I felt grateful that we could do that together. And yeah, I think absolutely. That. Speaking truth and being silenced and not being intimidated, not hiding. Your truth has been an amazing lesson for my kids and for myself as well. Debra, Sandra, thank you so much for sharing with us tonight. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you coming up for us out front next outrage across the United States as Senator flake warns, the country is being torn apart. Is he right? Plus too key Republican senators who could decide Kavanagh's fate here from their voters. Howard Beck, and I've got Ben Gulliver of Sports Illustrated fun. Bleacher reports the full forty eight like you get over coach police. So you know, we're not really like violent, but what I look at what kind of a tree hundred from Oregon, right? But when I look at this Lakers trading, it feels like the both likely place in the league that fits five will break out at some point. So check out the full forty eight. Now on Bleacher report, podcasts and Spotify. It wasn't extraordinary moment caught on tape today to women who say they're survivors of sexual assault, confronting Republican Senator Jeff flake as he was getting into an elevator on Capitol Hill. This was just minutes after he'd announced his intention to vote in favor of judge Brad Kavanagh for the supreme court. This is not tolerable you have children in your about them. I have two children. I cannot imagine that if for the next fifty years, they will end up the free course who has been accused file ending young girl. What are you doing sir? So anyone in your telling all women got fatal matter that they should just stay quiet. Fast forward. A few hours flick spearheads a movement to force the additional FBI investigation that is now underway. Now editor of the national review which Lowry and host of state of resistance. Podcast, state arisen says podcast, Sally Kohn, great to see you guys. Thanks for coming in. Which the video of Jeff like that would that was a cut down version of it went on and it was uncomfortable. You can see it on Jeff on Jeff lakes face. He later then tells Jeff Koons that he's concerned that they are tearing the country apart this whole thing, I think. Do you think he's right? Do you think this episode is doing that? Yeah. If our politics is more emotional in vitriol IQ than ever and you see more of these kinds of personal confrontations now these these women obviously weren't threatening, but you see things like Ted Cruz in a restaurant where we have goons confronting him and your couple inches away from some sort of physical confrontations. I think we're going down a road where public officials will probably need almost constant security and it's a very bad thing for this country and sign of how the political debate is going off the rails. Do you think it's a bad thing for the country yesterday you were you were arrested protesting outside the capitol in between the spring. In the capital, do you think it's bad thing with his head. I think there are a lot of things that are headed of bad direction. I don't think the American people standing up and fighting back and demanding country that respects women a court process, a court appointment process that considers the facts ways. The evidence. I don't think that's part of the problem. I think that's part of the solution. This is a country that was founded on protests literally. I mean, if we've been having this conversation back during the bus not party, you'd be saying, well, they were destroying property. This is how change happens. It's uncomfortable, it's ugly, it's messy. It's just like democracy. And if you don't like the people are showing up and protesting. Then you know what don't do the stuff that protesting. Those people are using outrageous tactics because what's happening our country is out Regis and people are incredibly upset and feeling credibly kicked out of the process by Republicans, and by Trump problem with protests can carry all the signs you want. You can have demonstrations, I don't like going into people's private space and. Fronting them at their homes or at restaurants, and you say, we have process about what the facts are. What are the facts support? Doctor Ford's accusation. I wasn't focused on. That's the question that I don't think really can be answered because there are no facts support her version of story. This is so interesting. There's this thing called an FBI investigation. We may. One of the facts. What are the factors supporters? I'm actually we. We can have the conversation if you'd like to have. Can you name one because we need just quickly on it. Cyclically won any of the people in had it look and other words, there are no. At the moment, there are none. So you're telling rich where we are today is the American Bar Association. Once more investigation, Jeff flake wants more investigation. Others are welcoming more investigation. Something's changed. Something's convinced them that they want to have more investigation. I mean, you look at the video of Jeff flake being confronted. Phil Mattingly just spoke with Jack Jeff flake. Asked him if these protesters were what impacted him in this evolution, if you will and how they got from point a. to point b. and back to point a, I don't know where where they got today. Listen, what Jeff flake, listen to this. The protestors countered play a role in everything I've seen and experienced. The last couple of weeks had been packed. It's it's been everything. It did impact him. Do you fall under flake? I think he's making mistake. I think clearly the Democrats have a partisan interest and delay which attempted to do throughout this process as a practical matter what they FBI will do in this week. Long investigation is end up interviewing the people who've already been interviewed in interviewed under penalty of felony. They're they're so far is no fact is even sell Sally by implication admits to support this account from thirty six years ago that is only her memory and her memory is contradicted by the people. She places at the party all for people that. No member is different than contradicting number one. Number two. I'm sorry, rich, but first of all, I of all I'm disturbed. I think the American people have disturbance. Certainly women are disturbed. What women in this country will be. It will be subject to sexual assault and lifetime, and you had Republicans hatch. Grit. You had Republicans on the committee saying, we'll hear the testimony, but we don't care or even if did this even if I'm sorry. Orrin Hatch said, even if Kevin did this, we should consider and said, I'm sorry that he's still have good man today. Now that is ridiculous and offensive. There are two things that the Senate has to do. One is they have to decide if this man is qualified both technically and ethically morally to lifetimes appointment windows, second, Richard, second of all, do this a weight, and we have to do it in a way that makes it clear to the American women in this country that if they are salted, they should feel comfortable speaking up and not Smith. So the nothing at the FBI finds no facts, you'll support his confirmation. Absolutely. The facts matter deal negative, wait a second that they match. I was not supporting before these allegations. Will you hold post for those reasons? Not for those reasons. I was opposed to his nomination because we only have ninety three percent of its record and because he's made sense. Let me just say one thing out in terms of facts. Sound like there could be none of us know the scope of this investigation. We could be additional people that are interviewed Mark judge could be interviewed in this so and saying, they're only gonna interview people who are they. Under penalty Sony, but that is not being interviewed or having followed by. That goes and she says she will. It's like facts them have investigation you support that gets the. Guess what we say here nearing. One thing we do know is there will sing investigation how my smearing women stop making. Just listen to me. They're going to have an investigation. We'll see where we end up after that. Back and we'll have another fight about great to see you. Thanks. Coming up tonight. One of the women who confronted Senator play joins Anderson Cooper in the next hour wanna see that we'll be right back. Kant's providence head coach Ed Cooley is on March mantis three sixty five. I'm excited about the group nervous in one fence because of our inexperience in the back court. But. Athleticism are length and toughness. It's much is three sixty five now at apple podcasts and Spotify. Tonight, all eyes on onto female Republican senators, and whether they will vote to confirm judge cavenaugh Senator, Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski Alaska both under intense pressure from their voters back home right now. Kaley heart tongue is out front. There are several people in the hallway. So some would mind kind of tree in places tension, so high and Senator Susan Collins, Portland office today, cops were called to keep the peace. In maine. Into Lasca home of Senator. Lisa Murkowski. Hey. Tears and Boz Lawrence. The public campaign to convince the two undecided Republican senators to oppose Brett cavenaugh nomination to the supreme court. That's huge in some ways because all comes down to the senators for Maine in Alaska. And yet on the other hand, she just needs to do the right thing like this shouldn't actually be discussion. It shouldn't even be. It shouldn't even be difficult decision. I'm democrat and I voted for her. I was one of the people who signed in her name when she said she was going to stand stand up for women. I would never vote for her again, the effort to persuade Collins hausky also playing out on television in their home states, Susan Collins, it's your party. That's mistaken. In Portland, April Humphry organized. A sit in she hoped would draw fifteen to twenty people. Instead hundreds showed up. So many people come on such notice. It just was, we're Ganic, it's this was not some sort of concerted effort to mobilize people and get people out. People want to come out and they want their voices to be heard, and they feel like voices aren't being heard. Protesters gathered in the plaza outside the office and soon packed inside the senator's office. I'm right here. I'm right here. It's okay. One. Staffer inundated patiently taking notes and trying to keep order again, pass on comments, Senator Collins, I have called her office seventeen times a day. I was travelling overseas and even turn to call through my Skype account and her voice bunches have been fold. But I wanted my thinks to be seen and my voice to be hurt. Protesters came out in mass in Portland today to voice their passionate opposition to break Cavanaugh. But we also spent time speaking to people who work here to protest. Just the people who live here work here and who vote here while there was mixed opinions among them of judge Cavanaugh. What we found was generally a very similar opinion of their Senator Susan Collins. One man saying he can't tell her which way to vote one way or the other. He says, that's why he voted her into office to make those difficult decisions. But Kate another similarity among many of them, the concern that if she votes yes, for Brett Kevin, oh, it could be incredibly damaging to political career here and once alerted air is all over the country is how many people are watching and paying attention to this decision. Thanks, Kaley, really appreciate it out front. Next why sexual assault survivors are now flooding phone lines and sharing their stories. I would actually help at fifteen, and I was told by adult to keep my mouth shut. Is this because of Christine? Blasi four. Harlow podcast people do and that voice of SIMS on left co. You know us from a podcast called Simpson left co, but now we got a new show. We get a little different since we're of going to be big time. Gonna talk ball, gonna, talk sports and culture too. I'm gonna teach SIMS. The internet. We're gonna have players onset. We're going to go out and mess with them. It's going to be a lot of fun. It is. We're going to be on the streets. We're gonna be talking to fans. We're gonna try to educate everybody and have a good time. So check it out the be our app ATM's on Wednesday, eight PM shut up. For somebody listening to the heart wrenching testimony of Christine blase for has reopened. Some deep and very painful wounds people across the country are now sharing their own stories of sexual assault on social media. Women even calling into C-SPAN to talk about their experiences. Watch this. Seventy six year old woman who was sexually molested in the second grade. This brings back so much pain. You never forget what happened to you. You can hear for pain and the national sexual salt hotline is now reporting a two hundred percent increase in calls yesterday compared to a typical day. Two hundred percent Keeley Sorenson. She's the vice president of victim services for rain the rape abuse, and incest, national network. It runs the hotline. She says, worker workers, reporting unprecedented, wait times. What's really interesting is the number of people reaching out to us in this moment with the variety of stories, but particularly over a third of them are making a first time disclosure to us. 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"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard, get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WB. You are. I'm Robin young. I'm Jeremy Hobson it's here. Now ahead of tomorrow's midterm elections. More than thirty four million people have already cast early or absentee ballots. That is a fifty percent increase of early voting from the last midterm in two thousand fourteen and Turnhout has increased the most among younger voters minorities and people who rarely or never vote, and of course, President Trump and others hope to boost the number of odors that come out even more the president holds three rallies today yesterday in Chattanooga. He stuck with his campaign trail theme. Democrats want to invite caravan after caravan of illegal aliens, do pour into. To our country. I don't think so well, former President Obama's making the closing arguments for Democrats yesterday at a rally for Senator Joe Donnelly in Indiana, he reminded the crowd the Republican attempt at repealing health care reform was staved off by one vote the late John McCain's. Joel's opponent become the decided that ends your protections for prince this commissions, Democrats are going to protect your care period. Joining us today to look ahead at the midterm elections. Wanna summers national political reporter for the Associated Press? I wanna hey, guys and Beth FU senior politics editor at NBC. Hi, beth? Hey, so Beth when we hear about those early voting numbers. Do you have any sense at this point of what that means for what this mid-term election is going to look like, well, the early voting numbers are extraordinary as you said, and if the if the assessment at this point is true that a lot of first time voters are actually coming out and casting their votes this time, it it is likely to be helpful to Democrats. That's always been the problem with mitchum elections, especially in the past the people who are typically the democratic base there, the younger people people of color students. Single women single minority. Women. Those are the groups that tend not to have come out and vote in midterms, and that's typically wide Republicans in in many midterms have have dominated that just doesn't look to be the case this time people are very fired up on the democratic side. They're coming out there. They're voting. They're voting in the in the early vote, but on the other hand so are many of President Trump supporters. They're very fired up as well. What we're basically seeing is to basically two different sides of of how they are looking at politics, basically, afraid of the other side. And so they are coming out and voting and big numbers because they're so afraid of what the other side is going to do if they prevail. It's it's a regrettable situation in this country. But it's our country's been very divided politically for quite some time. And and we are seeing that now let's talk about the two messages, I want I want you to weigh in on this, particularly President Trump's message as we know the starting last week. There are a lot of questions. Why isn't he talking more about what a great economic numbers for him? Why is he pivoting to what many of just called fear mongering about a cavern? That's a caravan that so. So many miles away. And there were asking should maybe Democrats respond to that more. Will here's President Obama in Gary Indiana yesterday, slamming that take two weeks before this election? They're telling us that the single most grave threat to America. Is a bunch of. Impoverish bulk hungry refugees thousand miles away wanna Politico's reporting house speaker Paul Ryan called the president yesterday and urged him to pivot. That's right. And we do know that President Trump has throughout the course of his presidency really liked to take credit for the healthy, economy evening some cases, exaggerating the merits of that. But it seems like in these the final sprint ahead of the midterm election. He's really shows into wage this battle on the ground of immigration. He's described himself as a nationalist. He's in some cases, vilified emigrants both legal and illegal. And I think what we're seeing now really goes beyond what most presidents have done during competitive midterm election years in the modern era at those rallies across the country. Guys, his supporters of religious here at him on. They say that President Trump is taking on the elites and guarding their country. Again out are outliers. The question is though does that turn out people outside of the president's space and some of these really tight conditions. Races across the country. The Democrats have been trying to focus on healthcare and to point out that well, many many Republicans almost all of them voted to repeal ObamaCare and its protections for pre existing conditions that the Democrats have been in favor of those protections. All along Republicans now saying, and I've seen a lot of ads from Republicans saying we stand for protecting pre existing conditions as well. But how how do you think that issue is gonna plan? Yeah. Democrats are really betting the store on healthcare. There's no doubt about it. They have refused to take the bait generally on immigration, despite the fact that President Trump is out there talking about this nonstop, and it's basically has sort of an unchecked platform to do so because Democrats just aren't engaging on that. They're really sticking to healthcare. They're talking about protections for pre existing conditions believing very strongly, you know, looking at polling what issues people most care about our health care health care health care. So we'll see what they're either geniuses are. They're they're crazy depending on how the outcome of tomorrow is gonna look. Because of that unchallenged platform for President Trump to to really bear down immigration, which we do know is an important issue to many people, but Democrats have clearly very strongly staked their their whole their whole purpose at this point on telling voters that they are the party that are gonna protect their health gets is like the tenth election in a row where the the focus has been on health care one way or the other is also going to say, you could say that if every election that they're either genius or crazy until the next day when it's decided who's been speaking of that let's take a look at some of the Senate races. That are so tight we'll Heidi Heitkamp to hold onto her Senate seat in North Dakota. And then there's the Texas Senate race between the Republican incumbent. Ted Cruz the challenger of the democratic congressman bit betta aerobic. Both on CBS is sixty minutes last night, and cruise defended him people have criticized him for being such a critic of President Trump because President Trump so vilified him and his father and his wife during the two thousand sixteen campaign, and he defended cozying up to Trump now. Listen, I. I don't apologize for for not being self centered and pounding my foot and refusing to work with the president. I'm going to do my job for the people of Texas. Well on the other hand, you have political writing the Aurora blue this campaign. It's not even you know election day yet, but he blew it because he did too many national issues like impeachment and didn't focus on the local issue so away in there. How do you see this race? This race has been really fascinates captivated a lot of people across the country. One of the things we're seeing is that early voting numbers turn out is really high in Texas in the final in the final days. More than four point eight million ballots were cast during early voting and that guy surpasses the total turn out of the twenty fourteen midterms. So we do know that people are paying attention. They'll be curious to see what the returns are across the state as crews hold his last rally Monday near Houston in over work is going to be finishing out in L Paso, and he on the strip that took him through each of taxes two hundred and fifty four counties we interviewed to work a couple months ago. While we were in Texas and asked him about that issue of impeachment. And I believe what he said was that he wanted to wait until after the Muller investigation came out to make that determination, but he wasn't against it in principle, which is the line that I it sounds like a lot of Democrats have been trying to take this election season. They don't want to talk about it. But they don't want to dismiss it. Completely a Beth the governorships around the country a lot of people are saying that just as bad as the Senate map is for Democrats. This time a lot of Senate Democratic incumbents are up for election that for governorships Republicans are in trouble too. They're holding a lot of the seats that are competitive. Yeah. And what we're really looking at how the midwestern governors do those states that Trump surprised everybody by winning in two thousand sixteen Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin. How are the governor? The governors are on the ballot in each of those states and right now, it looks pretty comfortably that a Democrats going to be the next governor of Michigan Gretchen Whitmer. She's been kind of a rockstar of the of the democratic gubernatorial field, Pennsylvania. Tom wolfe? Governor they're likely to hang on. He's a democrat Wisconsin Scott Walker. Well, known he ran for president in or tried to in two thousand sixteen dropped out early. But he's running for a third term. He's been sort of on the ropes. He may win. But it's going to be close and Ohio. Also, very close. That's an open seat where the democrat and Republican are basically tied. So we we're really been looking at whether or not those those states in the midwest which handed Trump has victory in two thousand sixteen are sort of ramping up as more Republican leaning more red or more purply red than than purply blue. And right now, it doesn't look like that's the case. It looks like the the states are still very much in play. And in some cases, in those midwestern states Democrats doing really well. What are we to make of Georgia? We have the Republican candidate Brian Kemp. Who's also the state secretary of state, and there's a lot of question when he when he was running should you step down from the office that oversees elections, and he said, no, well, he's now accused Democrats of trying to hack the election without any evidence to support those claims the FBI is declining. To say whether there's an investigation here's his opponent. The Democrats Stacey aprons on CNN this morning. It's a witch hunt. That was created by someone who is abusing his power Friday, Brian. Kemp was notified that there was yet another flaw in the election security system twice before he is accident Alie released the information of six million Georgians. This was about to happen again who wanna summers is this. I mean, again, I it's you know, there was a call for him to step down from secretary of state. And now, you know, he's calling for an investigation. Your thoughts on how that might impact things in Georgia. Well, this is a race that has really evolved into a really bitter back and forth over voting rights and ballot security, even before this kind of allow these eleventh hour allegations, I think we've been speaking to voters there, certainly a lot of concern about election security, and whether or not it was appropriate for Kemp to remain in that position overseeing his states elections of President Donald Trump campaigned alongside camp and Macon Georgia. He made no mention of this issue at the rally when he left. The White House. He said he didn't know anything about it. But there's no question that aside from those those issues that we talk about like immigration like healthcare, but this has been a defining issue of that Georgia race where Stacey Abrams could be the nation's first African American female governor if elected it's going to be very interesting wanna summers at the and Beth food NBC. Thanks to both of you. Thank you. Thank you. In two thousand twelve main began to address disturbing part of its past and present the systematic removal of native American children from their families and tribal communities. Georgina supply Richardson was removed from the pessimist quality tribe and placed into a white foster home in nineteen forty when she was an infant my baby sister in the tub. Each one time try to convince each other that were getting white. And then they knew they would accept us. Where was the state that was supposed they wish to Gardy? Well, let's back up. That's a clip from the documentary Donlan which tracks the history of the removal of native children from families back to the assimilationist government boarding schools across the country in the mid nineteenth to the early. Twentieth century. We see scruffy native American children on one side of a frame their counterparts in Chris school uniforms on the other. Children. Them before we bring them to the government. We bring them in cleaning them up and talk them on their way to civilization. Then there was a nineteen seventy four Senate hearing on Indian child welfare where this sedan. Watan woman testified that social workers tried to convince her to give her children up for adoption before they were even born. Now, let's come to me and said that I was I wasn't a very good mother and everything in that might be better off. They were in the white and homework they were adopted on this home wherever they were that while the stuff that I could give give all the love that I could never give them. That quarter to they give anybody specific example why you were. Yes. Risk. It was never proven in court that she was unfit. That hearing led to the passing of the Indian child welfare act a law meant to keep indigenous children if not within their families within their tribes. But last month, a federal judge in Texas ruled that law unconstitutional saying it discriminates against non natives who want to adopt native children, anyway, many states weren't even observing it. So main decided its native people deserve to hearing the state form, the main wab Inaki truth and reconciliation commission, the film dawn land follows the commission as it travels. The state hearing the testimony of older and younger people whose native past have been whitewashed land premiers on PBS stations around the country tonight. It is terrific and on Neptune Adams who was moved from the Panov Scott nation into foster care as a child appears in the film, Don, thanks for joining us honored to be here, you do testify before the truth and reconciliation commission until a heartbreaking story of. What this did to you to be removed from your family? Can you just you know, kind of some up that notion of how you lost your identity? Well, yes, I was made to feel ashamed of my family my tribe. My culture when I was growing up in foster a foster home, you know, it it had far reaching effects into my life. I have reconnected with my community. But there's still always in the back of my mind that little bit of insecurity. I guess you'd say I tend to feel like I'm on the outside looking in and I don't confidently enter a circle like belong there. I find myself waiting for somebody to invite me. This is more recent history in this was so disturbing. What years were you in foster home? I entered a foster home in nineteen seventy eight when I was four years old. I believe equa had just passed and equa is the Indian child welfare act the federal law that was passed to prevent indeed. Children from being removed from communities and families for the reasons that have in decades ago, which was an effort to take away their Indian Ness and more recently might have been characterized as there'd be better places futile live. Yeah. The state had a responsibility to put me someplace where I was safe first of all and that didn't happen. And they also had a responsibility under equipped to make sure I was connected to my culture, and they failed miserably on on that as well and safe because if do I understand that your mother was an alcoholic. Yes. My biological mother was in alcoholics I did need to be removed from my home. But I was placed in a foster home where there was a lot of racism, and there was abuse. Did they literally tell you? You were not allowed to talk about your pinup Scott routes. Yes, you've said your mouth was washed out with soap, if you spoke the pinup, Scott language. We were shame. And for speaking of it or asking questions, even now as a result, you talk in the film about going your first Powell, and what how did you feel? Yeah. That was nine hundred ninety two I had just graduated from high school. I I had in my mind. This idea of what Scott people would look like, and I I made this buckskin outfit. And I wore it. And you know, I went there, and I did not feel comfortable at all. I was afraid I was going to be laughed at if I went into the circle to dance he didn't know how to do it. No. I didn't. I didn't have a clue. So Don, obviously, you were disappointed in equa the the federal law. You didn't feel that the social workers did what they should have done which was kept you with your community, and your culture. But now the equa law has been struck down by a federal judge. Yes, you didn't feel it was effective. But it's certainly not effective if it doesn't exist. That's right. The the law itself was implemented with the best intentions. My state did not follow equa. So the state of Maine had a responsibility to put me someplace where I would remain connected to my culture. Well, but what do you say to the social workers that we heard in the film? Who felt as the judge seemed to do the judge ruled that the Indian child welfare act was unconstitutional because it was racially discriminatory against non native people, and then it placed tribal sovereignty over the best interest of children, and we heard from some main social workers in the documentary. Many of them felt horrible some of them though, still felt that they did the right thing. Almost kind of dismissing this idea that cultural heritage was more important that getting somebody clothed and fed and in a safe place. Let's listen to one of those social workers. Again, I think it's a resource issue. To sneakers for the fiend. So Pez more important than. I hear the laugh in the throat clearing there. But Don means your social workers might have felt you know, your mother was incapable. She was an alcoholic we need to get her into the best place possible, and that's a white family. Yeah. What we have here is a fundamental difference in worldview, the standards that they're talking about those are white middle-class standards. That are being applied to children of a tribe. And now the tribe is the child's family, I want to make that absolutely clear. The other part of that is that indigenous people are not members of a race. They are citizens of sovereign nation. You're not taking a child out of a race. You're putting them with people who are part of the dominant culture you with people who are part of another nation. Exactly, how did you feel about testifying before this commission, which you know, one point in the film. They're kind of called out on their white privilege and initially, although they seem very earnest and caring traveling the state lot of native peoples weren't showing up because it entrust it. Well, I was asked to participate in the truth and reconciliation commission by someone I trusted I was initially reluctant to participate. I didn't want to I didn't wanna bring up things from my past. This was part of my childhood. I wanted it to stay there. And to be quite honest with you, I was scared of opening up this can of worms and having to heal things that I didn't I was afraid to deal with and I had a breakdown three years ago, and it was from running from this trauma that I hadn't dealt with. So this this really needed to happen for me. Well, it sounds like for others. We heard from a woman who seem to be in her seventies. Georgina speaking about how profoundly she was wound. By this. And then the truth and reconciliation commission released its final report in two thousand fifteen and this commission, by the way, included the main secretary of state, Maine's governor, very conservative Paula page. His secretary of state defied the governor and decided to be a part of this commission was very adamant about its conclusion that what had happened to your people the web Inaki people in Maine was cultural genocide was there some reward in that conclusion. Absolutely. A lot of good has come from this. The reason I did decide to testify was so that it might help other people, and I do believe that it will do that. By the way, dawn you have a nine year old now, and you've been able to raise that child in your tribal community. What's that been like to watch your child be able to have that it's been the most beautiful part of my healing experience. Actually, she and I are members of a drum group called, mama. Get. Singers. We take part in ceremony. We have grandmother moon ceremony ever every month. We've even attended language immersion camp about a healing center called the Biesen which is just north of reservation. I feel like I've given her a good sense of connection to our community. But at the same time, I've been learning with her, you know, she she she began this connection to our community when she was first born and at thirty four years old I began that you know, right right alongside her. Don, Neptune Adams, thank you so much. Thank you. And by the way, wab Inaki means people of the dawn the documentary, dawn land about Maine's Watanake truth and reconciliation commission premieres tonight on PBS stations across the country is terrific. And according to native news dot net in two thousand sixteen the Lakota people's project launched a campaign to establish a national tooth and reconciliation commission to address the US Indian boarding school era. This message comes from NPR's sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Voters in Washington state could institute a first of its kind fee on carbon emissions tomorrow. Ballot initiative sixteen thirty one would charge oil companies and other large amid IRS for each ton of carbon. They emit there is strong support for the initiative in the more urban liberal parts of the state, but elsewhere, you'll find a lot of opposition actually Hearn reports. Dave crippling had his chainsaw out on the bed of his pickup truck and was filling it with oil when I pulled up his family has raised cows in this small valley on the eastern side of the cascade mountains since just after the civil war. Nobody makes any money ruin cows. It's just a way of life. And it's always way it's been profit margins are small and the price of beef has gone down in recent years. Crippling says, so well, his family may be land rich he says everyone in the business is cash poor. And that's where the climate change ballot initiative gets him. It'll put a price of fifteen dollars on each ton of carbon emitted a move that many economists say will encourage carbon. In reductions, however, fossil fuel companies are free to pass that cost onto customers who can expect to pay fourteen cents more per gallon at the gas pump and see their heating costs. Go up and here winters, are colder and people tend to drive more crippling believes it'll put more rural people out of business, the big corporations won't feel that pain. They don't ever hold a big people accountable. They got enough money that they just go ahead and get out of it. Or they go someplace else the new initiative would bring in two point three billion dollars over the first five years and aboard of political appointees would decide how to spend the money. Some of it would fund renewable energy projects and improve air and water quality, some would go to help low income communities, but those decisions will be made in the state capital far from the sparsely populated agricultural side of the state Kent Lopez is the executive director of the Washington rural electric cooperatives association. I spoke with him via Skype. Poorly written piece of legislation. Lopez organization represents borough power and heating providers that serve roughly seventy five percent of the state by landmass. But only six percent of the population. He says his members are skeptical that a politically appointed board is going to send any of the revenue from the carbon fee back to rural communities. Things like the cost of natural gas or the cost of gasoline. You know, all of a sudden increasing significantly that's where an electric co-op really starts getting concerned because it's going to impact communities that the electric co ops serve. It's not perfect. It's a first step. Really jasmine Bashan is the executive director of the met. How valley citizens council a community nonprofit in rural eastern Washington that supports the carbon fee? She says the effects of climate change. Here are obvious. We have experienced extreme and severe wildfire seasons last four out of five summers. And it has put all of us on notice. This initiative is the first of its kind nationally because of the revenue it will generate and that funding source is appealing to men Bashan you'd like to see the money used to improve forest health and reduce wildfire risk here. But there are loopholes. Some of the largest emitter in the state will be exempt from the carbon fee. It won't apply to aviation and maritime fuels or to fuel an electric city used to make glass steel, pulp paper, aluminum or chemicals millions of barrels of oil are transported via train through Washington state to its coastal refineries each year, those would also be exempt from the fee as it stands. It's a fee that half of Washington voters support according to a recent poll, and it's become one of the most expensive ballot initiative fights in Washington state history for NPR news. I'm Ashley a heard in Carlton, Washington. People in Utah are taking in the sad news today that major Brent Taylor has died while serving in Afghanistan, he was on his fourth tour there, and he was on leave from his job as mayor of north Ogden north of Salt Lake City. He told his constituents in video in January. That service is really what leadership is about. We will continue to follow that story. Meanwhile in Utah's fourth congressional district congresswoman Mia love is facing a tough reelection bid. Her challenger is Salt Lake county, mayor democrat, Ben mcadams, and that is where we turn for our final district profile this election season. Julia Richie is senior political reporter at KU ER in Salt Lake City high. Julia high will tell us more about the district first of all and how it has voted in the past so Utah's fourth. Congressional district was created after the twenty ten census. So it's a little new it's kind of in the center of the state. It's like a backwards boot-shaped, and it's very suburban which is. Something that we were seeing across the is these suburban districts being sort of more contentious than others and in the two thousand sixteen presidential election. President Trump did win but not by a big margin. I think it was in the forties or something like that. So he has been Unpa eilly at least not as popular as in other parts of the state, which are more deeply read and congressman love has spoken out in the past against President Trump. She criticised him when he reportedly used a profanity to refer to Haiti and other countries, and she tried to highlight that record in a debate earlier this month, she is I don't take my orders from anybody except for people of the fourth district. As a matter of fact, I'm the only one in this delegation that has stood up to the president. When he has done something wrong and worked with him when he has done something, right? She's walking a fine line there with her stance toward the president her opponent says she supports the president's agenda. Ninety seven percent of the time. Tell us more. Well, she is on a tight rope. And in in many ways, she's in the political fight of her life. She's always had the most competitive district in state. So you know, narrow margins for her nothing new and she did lose her first election bid in two thousand twelve against the democrat. So she knows her district. Well, she has had a moderate approach to things like immigration where hard right views don't really play well in Utah. And she has continued to have to do that. She even got a White House meeting after those Haiti remarks and she highlighted that as well. So it's not an easy gambit that she's trying to do here. The democrat is Salt Lake county. Mayor Ben mcadams who use some of his time at that debate to talk about government programs that he wants to be there for people who work hard. We want to know though, that are hard work is valued that if you pay into social security and Medicare for a lifetime that those benefits will. Be there to support you in your aging years, you want to know that if you work hard that you can afford health insurance for your family that you're so a lot of Democrats have been trying to make their campaigns about healthcare. Tell us more about Ben mcadams. So Ben mcadams is in his second term as mayor of Salt Lake county, which is about eighty five percent of the fourth congressional district because it's most populous part of the state he has sort of positioned himself as this middle of the road. I I would even describe it as a boring moderate democrat who has worked with Republicans in the state who also obviously, we have a Republican governor Republican dominated legislature. He's worked with key members of the of the opposing party on things like homelessness and the opioid crisis. So he has really made healthcare sort of central to his message, particularly because Representative love voted to repeal the ACA several times including last year in their in their last attempt to do that. We should also mention that both candidates in this race are Mormon. How has that played into the race? This is a very obviously, a very Mormon area and Utah. Right. Well, I think that's what makes quite frankly mcadams so competitive here he served an LDS mission. Which is something that many Mormons do before they go off to college. He has four children. I think Mia love has three children. So they're both sort of pushing that they they represent the typical Utah of family Mitt Romney is running for Senate there to replace Orrin Hatch is he figured into the meal of race at all right? So that's sort of the big question. Mark is whether Romney will help love at the polls because he's at the top of the ticket running for Senate against a democrat Jenny Wilson largely expected to win. And so the question is do people just assume that Mitt Romney will win anyways. And so they don't turn out to to vote in the fourth congressional district or are they excited? About the opportunity to have a new Senator after Senator hatch retires, and she gets a boost from that. I will say Romney was at the top of the ticket as president in two thousand twelve during her first campaign and that didn't actually help her. And then of course, she was running against an incumbent, and it was a kind of a different scenario then. Julia Ritchie senior political reporter at KU ER in Salt Lake City. Thanks so much. Thank you one issue. This year that is not at the forefront of many races is the strong economy. According to a Gallup poll across the country, the share of Americans who say the economy is the country's most important problem is at a near record low of thirteen percent. President Trump had this to say at a rally in West Virginia on Friday. They also speak about the economy speak about the economy. Well, we have the greatest economy and the history of our country. But sometimes it's not as exciting to talk about the economy, right? Is we have a lot of other things talk about Derek Thompson, senior editor at the Atlantic. He joins us from New York. Hi, derek. Hey, Jeremy, why do you think the economy is not a big deal for voters this election? I think it's a big mystery. I'll offer to answers I at the most general species level human beings. Have negativity bias negative feelings. Bad news tends to stick with us longer than good news. Right. Getting criticized seems to last longer in our minds than receiving a compliment. This is true about the new cycle as well. When in two thousand eight you had the great financial crash. I think that weighed much more heavily in people's minds than the good economy does today, but second a much more specific level. President Trump doesn't really care about macroeconomic stories, which tend to be a little bit more complex and not have clear heroes and villains. He is by his own account more interested in stories that have good guys and bad guys. The caravan bad guys versus the border agents, the good guys or international trade where China is the bad guys and our car and steel manufacturers are the good guys. So you put it together and this election cycle. I think is suffering from a two part negativity bias on a species level when news becomes good. We tend to think about it less, and then at the Trump level he is just much more interested in being a cultural warrior than an economic critic. We often hear that the party in power has a tougher time in amid term election. But what does the research tell us about what a strong economy tends to mean for the party in power in a mid term. So I went back, and I looked at some analysis from J P Morgan and this debt just really struck me in all, but three midterm elections since nineteen ten nine thousand nine hundred ten the president's party lost house seats in the midterms. So the GOP losing seats would not be unusual at all this year. What will be really really? Weird though is the GOP getting crushed at a time of rising wages and low unemployment that doesn't tend to happen. What tends to happen is that you do see the party in power lose power in the midterms. But those losses are mid to gated by a strong economy. What seems to be happening? And again, we'll see what happens in twenty four forty eight hours. No when she making predictions about elections, given the less you cycles, but what a lot of people are predicting is a Blue Wave that is much stronger than macroeconomic conditions would otherwise predict what about for a president. How much does the president's approval rating have to do with the state of the economy? Well, the president does not control the economy. The macro the macro economy of the United States is much bigger than one man, but macroeconomics does often predict presidential approval as unemployment drops the president's approval rating tends to rise and indeed unemployment in the US has been under four percent. For rela almost the entirety. Trump's presidency. What's also, really interesting is that presidents tend to get higher approval. This is important from the opposition as the employment rate falls. What's what we've seen in? The last two years though is the opposite. The unemployment rate has steadily fallen we've created jobs. Last jobs report was really fantastic from the B LS, but Trump is getting more and more unpopular with Democrats. So again at the party level, and at the Trump level what we're seeing is a bit of a schism where macroeconomic conditions are going in one direction and the Republican party in Donald Trump's approval rating is going in the other and that is to be clear. Historically, unusual also worth pointing out that as we talk about the booming economy. There are still there are still a lot of places in this country where the economy is not booming. And I think we're gonna find out tomorrow, which places feel really good about things which places maybe don't feel like things have gotten better as fast as they would with that. Dirk Thompson, senior editor at the Atlantic. Thank you so much. Thank you. Jury selection begins today in the trial of the Mexican drug Lord known as El Chapo American. Prosecutors say what kin Guzman oversaw a multibillion dollar drug smuggling empire backed by a campaign of ruthless murders and kidnappings his Sinoloa cartel moving tons of cocaine from Colombia through Mexico to the US the world's biggest user who's mon- has escaped from prison twice in the past once famously using a tunnel connecting his cell in Mexico's only super maximum security prison to a construction site. He's now being held in solitary confinement in New York facing seventeen count indictment and includes money laundering and murder conspiracy charges. No, a Hurwitz is at the courthouse in Brooklyn covering the trial for Rolling Stone and Noah security has got to be the top of everyone's mind. Yeah. This pretty much a fortress year. There's armed trucks outside those an ambulance. Wait invite by the one of the exits of drugs probably bomb-sniffing dogs. They got a lot of security well for the jury for El Chapo as he makes his way to the courthouse. Remind us why just what is the thumbnail of his past. Well, look this guy has escaped twice already. I in two thousand one from a prison in Mexico. And then he was on the run for thirteen years. A joint task force of the DA in the Mexican movie caught him in two thousand fourteen in the scene. The Loa town of mother Lun in Mexico, and he wasn't in jail long. He was in maximum security prison until two thousand fifteen but like you said he escaped through a tunnel. So that's what of at the top of. Everyone's mind is that this guy has escaped. Before. And I was speaking with the agent who caught him in two thousand fourteen and he was saying this guy is never done scheming. You know, he's always thinking about what his next move is. Well, he has friends who would help miscarry. He also has an alleged murderous past. He has enemies who would want him dead. We are thinking of Whitey Bolger the mob boss recently killed in prison. I mean, you know, all these concerns, but he apparently does have people willing to testify against him which would seem to be very dangerous. Tell us about who some of the witnesses might be were hearing about twin brothers Pedro and Margarito Flora's. Sure. So Pedro and muggy. Flora's? Are these two twin brothers from Chicago Mexican American? They sort of grew up in the drug trade and became some of the biggest wholesale suppliers of cocaine to Chicago, and then it would branch out from there now in two thousand eight they actually voluntarily flipped on L chop or they went to the DA. We can't do this anymore were alive, and they decided to cooperate, and they fully cooperated that was altered in sort of a dramatic escape from Mexico of them and their families and since then they've been in witness protection. They were convicted of drug trafficking judges, but they because of their cooperation they only got fourteen years now, they are possible witnesses. They helped the DA connect heroin shipments to El Chapo, they actually got. Guzman on the phone talking about these minute details of a heroin shipment. So they cooperation showed sort of the detail with which he ran his up. So the government obviously to protect those witnesses. But how do you protect jury? I mean, it's the going to try to keep them anonymous. But how how do you do this? I think that's gonna be it's gonna be a long couple of months food who if it gets on the J they've sort of restricted access during Joyce election, which is happening as we speak. They didn't want a bunch of ki- like a bunch of Porter's staring these jurors in the face, you know, it's going to be it's going to be a long haul for the jury and for the quote offices, and the and the prosecutors tasked with keeping these people safe and out of the spotlight, just very briefly. The defense is ask for this trial to be postponed after the prosecution produced about fourteen thousand pages of new evidence at the last minute that motion was. Denied a Guzman's pled not guilty. Would what is the defense going to be? I think that they have a couple strategies that they've sort of hinted at one is that they're going to try to say that Topo is not this huge kingpin. They've been painted out to be this. You know, that's the stuff of legends. They're going to say that he was no he was maybe it'll manager he entered to someone else. And that the government is basically accusing him of being connected to every drug shipment. That goes from Latin America to the United States. And I think also going to be focusing on the credibility of the witnesses because obviously the people who know who can testify against chop. Oh, we're going to be drug traffickers, they're going to be killers. And so I think it's likely that the defense is going to be focusing on, you know, can we trust these people or they just looking out for themselves. Well, the strikes us also that the trial is going to be an incredible reminder of the cost the human cost of the illegal drug trade Noah. Hurwitz at the federal courthouse in Brooklyn covering the trial of Joaquin El Chapo Guzman for Rolling Stone. No, thank you. They someone phone, and Jeremy I think I might have said a legendary when I was referring to Gutman in our conversation there if I did I apologize. I should've said infamous I don't want to add to any mythology here. Now is a production of NPR in WVU artists association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is here now.

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So he and President Obama today the biggest names of their respective parties or out on the trail each and places where the big political brains believe they will have the most impact women voters know, the stakes dissatisfaction with the president is driving some to the polls, especially in suburban districts young people fair to be turning out in early voting. They to know the stakes so Trump supporters opened his midterms. We'll help lock in their twenty sixteen victory as for so-called never-trumpers. They seem energized. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any segment of the country for whom Tuesday's vote won't matter to southern states, Florida and Georgia could elect African American governors and in both states race and racially offensive language has factored into these last few days. Also Georgia in the governor's race stunning. Last minute. Liv. Move by the Republican candidate who also happens to be overseeing the elections. He's both a player and the referee. What he did in his official capacity has touched off a storm, certainly among Democrats. We have correspondents across the map tonight along with the best team of election watchers and analysts around a lot of big brains around the table, we begin tonight and Tennessee or prisoner Trump flew in today for to for Republicans more Sanchez joins us from Chattanooga. So the president really pulling out all the stops in these final days before the mid. There's no question. Anderson. It will last few weeks. President Trump crisscrossing declined as you all know, he's done six campaign rallies since Friday alone. And he's got three more plant for tomorrow. You're in Chattanooga. He's me to campaign presentative, Marsha Blackburn. She's trying to capitalize on the president's popularity here in tier state his approval rating is over over fifty percent for quite some time. She is trying to replace Senator. Bob corker retiring, she's cast herself as being to the right of Bob corker and she's trying to catch her opponent. Former governor Phil Renison as big a liberal often comparing him to Donald Trump's campaign opponent in two thousand sixteen to Hillary Clinton. Brenton meantime is trying to cast himself as a moderate someone who's willing to work with President Trump on a number of key issues infect his head when he seen shooting a firearm talking about his support for the second amendment. He also supported the confirmation of Justice Brett cabinet onto the supreme court amid sexual assault allegations. It'll be interesting to see exactly how the president goes. After a Brennan. Year. We should both of them are in a dead heat right now would Marsha Blackburn. Maintaining swollen vantage, though Anderson it is well within the margin of error or something the president has a lot of very positive developments. Obviously he can run on a good news on the economy, certainly low in record low unemployment is his nominees for for this cream cord both both passing, but he's also focusing in these final days really on on border security and the character. And there's no question he's going to continue focusing on that two points on that Anderson. The president believes that that message works. It's the same one that he used when he descended on that escalator back in twenty fifteen in called a Mexican rapist. So it's no question that the president is keen to use it again. He actually joked about exactly what you're talking about at a rally last night in Pensacola, Florida that I attended dismissing criticism on television that he's too focused on immigration and not focused enough on a booming economy. Second point Representative, Marsha Blackburn who were just discussing. She's got a hard line stance on immigration. So there's a good chance. The president is going to talk about the caravan here tonight continuing to portray these immigrants as invaders even if it could be a dishonest deceiving and dangerous Anderson for Sanchez reporting from the the the rally. Thanks, very much, a President Obama campaign for Indiana Senator Joe Donnelly earlier today, he is in Chicago tonight. So is our Ryan young. So Ryan, the former president just finished speaking a talk about what? He focused on. Well, absolutely contrast in styles. It looked like President Obama came out ready for a fight his voice sounded horse. Anderson. It sounded like the campaign trail is starting to take its toll on the former president's voice when he said he was coming here to make sure that people understood how important the getting out to vote was. But there was a concert here before we hit stays the lasted some forty five minutes. It had the crowd sort of lather up before he got here. J Chris crisco who's running for governor in the state the comfortable lead over his opponent. The incumbent rounder barely spoke on space ten minutes. But when President Obama got up there, and he talked about definitely the idea that this boat was doing a matter a great awakening is happening in America. He went on to say that he feels that people are starting to get more motivated to get out the vote, and he said he'd never thought into million years that people would be running on healthcare. And the fact that it's been changing that the focus was on Mickey show people with preexisting conditions had a chance to get the healthcare. They needed. He talked about that people start booing when he talked about Republicans, the former presidents stopped. And said don't do vote. So he made his conversation with this very different. In fact, he said there was a lot of hype men in the crowd and people were interacting with the president seemed like a sort of energize him to keep going a little longer than I think some people expected at the end of it even stayed around to kind of high five people in the crowd and that of allowed them up as well. So you can understand the pool especially in Chicago one thing he did go back to is that after he was elected a lot of people thought that was going to be the big change. He says it may not happen overnight. You may vote today and something may not happen. But what could happen as healthcare safe? You may save a life. Someone gets job training programs, and that might help them move forward. So people believe just like an big basketball gang. They brought in the the closer. They thought for the credit card into this area to make sure that people put out the last bit effort to go out and vote Anderson. I mean, it is extraordinarily here. A former president who was just the president out on the campaign. Trail. That's usually former presidents don't really do that particularly in amid term, and particularly using the the kind of energy and focus and some of the things that President Obama has been speaking about it was a busy day for him to rallies do Democrats. I mean, clearly they believe he is the person who can get their candidates over the top. Or at least the best chance they have. Absolutely something actually stood out to me. And I kind of wrote this down surprised is that he was talking about. How Republicans we're talking about Hillary's emails, and he went after President Trump for his cellphone infected the Chinese are listening. He was not holding back. The crowd was energized. By the fact, that the president was engaging with them kind of going back and forth. And he laid it out. He says we need talking about the tax cuts, and how the people who are wealthy or getting more money. He was really focusing on the idea of not making sure that not only people here go out and vote, but a broader spectrum, especially when you think about what's going on in the neighboring state of Indiana. And that how close that Senate race is energize Obama, people hope Lisa more people going out and vote, and maybe not the apathy that we've seen sometimes from people in terms of the last few days, Ryan young, thanks very much. We're going to be playing you a bids from a former President Obama and from President Trump, obviously over the next two hours of our coverage tonight. This is one of those nights when someone inevitably looks at the number of guests and the size of the set and says you're gonna need a bigger boat. Joining us tonight is David chalian. Emily henderson. David Axelrod, glory boards are also van Jones. Jennifer Granholm, Rick Santorum in David urban how much impact do you think? President Trump former President Obama can have in these final days at this point. It's about motivation getting out your basement blizzak not persuasion, so they're not exactly traveling to places where they're not popular. And you know, you don't see Donald Trump in New Jersey, for example, suburban New Jersey, even Bedminster, whereas golf courses because there's a possibility that congressman could lose a seat, they're Republican and you're not going to see Barack Obama in Montana. So at this point, I believe that they're not going to persuade anybody. But it does remind people I think about the stakes of the election because you had these two presidents dueling each other tonight. Obama said, you know, no, one was indicted in my administration and reminding people about pre existing conditions and makes the case very well. For democrats. And you, you know, you have Trump out there doing what Donald Trump does which is talk about immigration, caravan, etc. So they're not convincing anybody. But it will motivate people who've did how much for President Obama's this about his legacy your, which is just personal. I mean, well, I don't I don't think that it's personal. I think that you know, this has been a big step for him. Because he he's he's been trying to search for the way to be a former president in the Trump era. And I think he's decided that this particular election is deeply important. I think he, you know, I don't think it's I think it's less about a legacy more about deep concern about the direction of the country. There's no doubt that anybody with any sense would know that the things that the president has done to dismantle some of the things that President Obama worked hard on our sim to him. But I honestly people have been urging him to come out for months and months and months, and I think he finally felt like. He had an obligation to speak out. Then you wanna play the this other glory was just referencing a prisoner. I'm talking about nobody in his administration. Having Davidson Swanson. So now they've had two years of total control and wash whatever they done with that. No, no, no. It's not true. They haven't done nothing. They've done something they promised. They were going to take on corruption awash. Instead they've racked up enough indictments to feel the football team. Nobody in my frustration got indicted. Which by the way is not that high bar. I was actually going to say. But I mean, it is just bear repeating just how unusual it is to see a re-, you know, former president the last president out on the campaign trail so aggressively like in some ways, it's interesting to even see Barack Obama out in the campaign on the campaign trail in a midterm year. Right. He wasn't that president in two thousand ten he wasn't that president in two thousand fourteen certainly not in red states like Indiana. I was actually surprised to see him in Indiana in this red thing. Sure, there's Gary there's an African American community there. And that's where he was. But it's still a red state. So to see him out. There was texting with some Democrats about it. And they essentially say it's very close of a like the contrast that Obama has you know, with Trump, obviously, a his vision for America, very different. He pointed out there this whole contrast between what happened in his administration, and what has happened in Trump's administration. So yeah, I mean at this point for for months. It was the sense that Obama they didn't want. Obama out there because he provided more heat than light. And at this point. I think he does provide some light in some clarity in terms of this contract. And in terms of talking about very specific issues like healthcare, David or do you think Republicans like seeing preserve I'm out there because it down? I'd like to see Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton. Now. You're over the Kennedy family, right? Let's roll out. Let's roll out. Look, I I was I was there before the election and Philadelphia with Barack Obama on the stage that make much of a difference. I think Indiana, look, the good news is the Democrats feel need the role. Not in these very close states shows, you how incredibly close it is hope he gave Joe Donnelly a chance to clean up. His remarks is very insensitive remarks about African Americans their earlier in the day. But say, you know, but, but, but you know, I think it's good good news for Republicans that it's this close at a lot of these a lot of these Senate races them these. Well, I love seeing Obama in love seeing that loose. But I think we don't talk enough about the fact that on the ground you have people doing extrordinary work. There's a there's a group of it has knocked on a one million doors center for community change a million doors in Florida of the national domestic workers. Science has housekeepers knocking on doors in Georgia being people who are fighting for their lives out there. But we always you love to see the big folks come in. But you can't underestimate and you've got a grassroots movement. Now, people have knocked the skin off their knuckles on those doors, and that is going to be we get across the finish line. It will be in part because the Oprah's and the Obamas, but largely because of unknown unnamed people who are out there killing themselves users Senator centrum, I saw Ralph Reed quoted I think it was in the New York Times saying that he thinks Democrats are going to be surprised in some house races in particular with evangelical turn out, and that sort of the secret of this. I mean to van's point do you see that same kind of mobilization of on among Republicans? I mean, I've been talking to several campaigns here in the last twenty four hours, and they're telling me that the energy is very high. They also have people out knocking on doors, and and and working very very hard. I think the report the the early reports. Correct everybody is pretty amped up. I mean, the president gets people. On both sides amped up. I'm not sure that Barack Obama really makes that much of a difference at this point in time. And and you know, me he doesn't mean to me. I love I love, you know, in the past. It really hasn't worked. I mean, he he really hasn't been very effective in getting people who are supportive for him get out and vote when he's not on the ballot. And and maybe that's different now. Maybe Trump's the factor. But I want to say about the indictment thing, I will tell you from a lot of Republicans. You hear that say, yeah. But there's hurt should of people that should have been indicted like Hillary Clinton like Lois Lerner to like a whole bunch of other people. So he brings that up. But he think that's that's a that's a cell line. So a lot of conservatives like heck there should have been, you know, Anderson for the almost the whole campaign people on the on the right in particular have been saying the Democrats have no message. The democratic message has been a bottom up message. Right. It's been a grassroots bottom up to Vance point the messaging on the ground has been things like in Michigan fix the damn roads. That kind of thing what Obama does in coming in at the end is to. To put it all together. And especially in contrast with Donald Trump like causing our hearts to soar to remind us that we are United as people when he says, it doesn't matter how you worship for what you look like you were all part of the fabric of this great country. It's such a fierce contrast with Donald Trump that that's what I think the value is his presence at the end of the what Obama does this make the policy argument though, very well. I mean, not on and on on Friday. He talked about hope and change a little bit which was fun to hear. But I think what he does do is remind people about the Affordable Care Act, and how many times it was the Republicans tried to repeal it and how the Justice department is fighting against pre existing conditions or has refused to defend a pre existing conditions. So he makes the policy cases very very succinctly. I think there's a politically I what would Rick was saying about we do have a eight year track record of Obama, and we did see his popularity. Did not translate to the party all that well throughout the years, both in the midterm elections. But also at the state legislative level. It was just not there wasn't a full translation. In fact, I think it's one of the big questions about this Tuesday about President Trump. We don't know the answer. This is his first test. And we're going to see does does President Trump's popularity with his voters translate in a midterm election year when he's not actually on the ballot. No matter how much he is embracing being out there and attaching himself to it. I that's one of my big question marks one thing. We gotta take it. Okay. Hold that. We only have two hours. I know. I'm holding my. We're gonna talk about a a very interesting story that just popped up Georgia's top election official okaying a probe of state Democrats on the the election that he's running for governor a candidate enforcing the rules. Democrats are saying is the abusing the rules. We've raking news on that new reporting. Also, Andrew gillum the attacks on him allegations that they're racially coded like when his opponent warned he would monkey up the state President Trump has called him a thief today member of the president's cabinet, wait in believe what what was said. So you can decide for yourself. What to make that? We'll be right back. 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So in Georgia's secretary of state who doesn't offer any evidence launched a probe or the state's Democratic Party. It went beyond big that's because the secretary of state Brian Kemp is also the Republican candidate for governor and his locked in a very tight bitterly fought race with the democrat. Stacey Abrams we invited Mr. Kemp or anyone from his campaign to come on the broadcast. They all declined R Kelly hard time doing some late reporting on this right now. She's in Augusta Georgia. I explain what's going on the second. Stacey Abrams has talked about this and remorse reporters. What is she saying about it? Yeah. That's right. Anderson zoo earlier today, the secretary of state's office announces that they're launching this investigation into Georgia's Democratic Party in response to what they described as a failed attempt to hack the state's voter registration system. But they announced this investigation without giving us any evidence. As to why the Georgia Democratic Party was a part of this probe the secretary of state's spokeswoman saying that she couldn't comment on the specifics of an ongoing investigation other than to say, they learned of this attempted hack from their legal team. Now, we have to delineate between the communications from the secretary of state's office that Brian Kemp heads as opposed to Brian Kemp. Gubernatorial campaign communications that campaign has been much more direct in time Democrats to this hack saying, quote, Democrats tried to expose vulnerabilities in Georgia's voter registration system. These are claims that Democrats are one hundred percent false. They say the claims or scurrilous is Stacey Abrams just spoke. To a couple of hundred people in this community center. She didn't address the controversy in front of the crowd. But we spoke to her immediately following her public remarks. First of all, it's real investigation. What has happened is that Brian Kemp once again is trying to cover up for his failures in cybersecurity by blaming someone else? The first four times he blamed staff, he blamed vendors. And now, he's blaming Democrats. But the reality is there were imperfections in their system their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. They were told about this on Friday, and instead of owning up to the failure. And making it bright, he decided to blame Democrats. We are not responsible. We have nothing to do with us. And I'm very sad that instead of owning up to the responsibility and honoring his commitment as secretary of state that he's once again misleading Georgia. If they're out this campaign. There have been these repeated allegations of voter suppression Brian Kemp in his capacity as the secretary of state. We have heard the litigation well as the news of this investigation comes out. We're also learning that one of the organizations involved in litigation with Brian Kemp is claiming that the online voter registration database that updates the electronic polling lists. They're saying that that system is open to manipulation so Anderson you see the PR machines on both sides spinning trying to use this as an opportunity to appeal to their already polarized basis. But at the end of the day, there is a question about the ability of Georgia's voting registration system. So it has Mr. Kemp made any comment directly about this. No, he hasn't. He didn't address it when he was on stage with President Trump earlier today in Macon, Georgia. Like, I said you have to really separate the communications we're getting from his secretary of state office as opposed to his campaign that campaign being more willing to be aggressive in their rhetoric towards Stacey Abrams and the radical Democrats as they call them. But we have not heard Brian Kemp addressed this situation directly himself Anderson, though, his secretary of state's office does tell me they will be meeting with the FBI and other officials tomorrow to see how this investigation proceeds or hard tongue. Appreciate it back now with our political team. I mean is it. It's kind of a complex story torture going to figure out would David. How did you see it? Well, look, I mean, this has been a controversy for ongoing. The fact that the candidate for governor is also administering the system, and it's come up in connection with the potential disqualification of or the provisional status of fifty thousand or so voters who seventy percent of whom are African American of. And you know, so the question is how does he not recuse himself from overseeing an election in which he has such a steak and by throwing this into the middle of it in the last forty eight hours. I mean, it really I wonder how voters there will process it, and whether they feel like this is a last minute dirty trick and underscores something untoward about or does he didn't mobilize revolt. Goofy of Democrats are trying to manipulate the system it could. Although you'd have to produce some evidence of that. I mean, there's some Republican. Who will believe it? But I think the lack of Evans this thing is going to be decided in the I think in the suburbs of of Atlanta where their voters who are more discerning discerning about these things. I think they're going to find it strange that he should that. This should come out the way it came out without evidence without spokespeople stepping forward without any real backup for a fairly serious charge. Anderson he plasters this press release on his website, come to find out that this is the same brand can't who was sued earlier this year by people who were saying that Georgia's voting system is vulnerable, and it's subject to hacking. He doesn't have any paper trail the department of homeland security offered to help and help to secure the system, and he rejected that help the the judge in the case he was suited again back in the summer castigated him. Holy for this completely vulnerable. And not for shoring up and so now on the last minute to start going Democrats of his own failure. It is astonishing. This man is playing on the field, and he wrote the rules and his the ref. It is outrageous evidence Senator Santorum, there's no evidence, of course, at least on the Democrats part. I think I think it is important that if they're gonna make the claim again, the reporter said that the secretary of state's office is not making that claim it's campaign me. So the campaign is going to make that claim they're gonna have to come up with some evidence to show that be between now sometime tomorrow, they're going to have to show some evidence as to where the Democrats were somehow complicit in this. I don't think they can get away with blaming Democrats. And just hoping everybody believes that bigger there has to be I think the bigger issue here is that across the country. There's a sense that between the gerrymandering and voter suppression that there's a the Republican party is hostile to a fair vote. And this is sort of like the most. Let me call. Jay. Republicans guys next. I think I think that there is a sense fear that the Republicans are hostile to a fear vote here that that this particular that Kemp is just the worst example that you have camp coup has a history of being hostile has been sued many times. And I think that we've got to be careful here because when you're in a situation like Kemp is where you are the referee, and you're the player, and you and you in squeaker if he wins and people doubt his legitimacy that's bad for everybody. And I think the Republican party had a huge opportunity. Now, I'll give you guys a chance you got a huge opportunity. The Republicans don't get enough credit. They actually voted for the Voting Rights Act to be passed. And then the supreme court stuck at truck down. And then they have not come back to fix it. And so now, the Republican party would actually voted for the Voting Rights Act to be passed having failed now for years for a couple years to restore the buddy you're all now vulnerable to the idea that you don't hear about a fair vote. And you gotta deal with it. So I'm not gonna speak to Georgia specifically, but in terms of gerrymandering, look at our home state of Pennsylvania, the democratically elected Pennsylvania's pre court drew a map that by all accounts by by by the cook, political report said was drawn to favor Democrats, and which can result in the flip of probably about six seats here. So in terms of fairness Republicans look for fairness, I mean, what's fair in one state may not be fair another so van you once a day. Well, we've got a dozen about six that's because because legislatures controlled by Republicans, and the Democrats did it in California for years and years and years. So look anytime we already either party has controlled they're going to draw lines that are going to be favorable. But that is not. This issue of Kemp is different. I think fans I agree with Helen point. Here is this is a razor thin election. And the notion that one of the participants in razor thin election is the the guy who's going to administer that election is is on the face of a troubling. But then to do this at the end as this element of suspicion that Israel. I agree. It's it's it's it's near response. We're going to talk more about this. And we got to take another break in a much more head, including what agriculture secretary Sunday produce it at a rally for onto Santa's Florida's running against Andrew Gillam. It's been making headlines Purdue use the phrase cotton Pickin, we'll hear how Gillam reacted to that about it with our political team next a lot more of the day's news. A head. Hey, it's our Beck. And I've got Shaun Livingston on Bleacher reports the full forty eight how many teams have gone final four straight time. One three of them. You know, like, you know, we see me at our place mystery the full forty eight is now available on Spotify. And of course, you can always listen to subscribe on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcast. A lot of ways to describe the significance of Tuesday's election in Florida. Potentially historic is one way because if Tallahassee mayor Andrew gillum wins his racial become Florida's first African American governor now at a rally for opponent, Ron to Santa's agriculture secretary Sonny Perdue chose well he made a comment. We'll let you interpret it. Here's how Purdue former governor of Georgia described the stakes. Policy labor shit. This is. More of the site of Laura. Guillem has asked today at the reaction to produce choice of words. No, he should go back to Georgia. We'll we'll take care Florida. Listen, which we're trying very best to in this race on a high note as I said throughout the campaign, we work at a give vote or something they can both forward and not just against. Back with our political team van. How do you see, you know, listen, I, it's an archaic expression. But honestly as a southerner I hear that sometimes thrown around. So I I'm trying not to go directly to the worst possible things. They give it up for for not doing that. I think it's an unfortunate towards the words. But I don't think that it was an intentional dog with really just don't. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I have used that phrase before I'm from the south really small town on in in South Carolina. So I didn't necessarily, you know, we didn't land wrong for me. I think it's odd. It's sunny Perdue. Former Georgia governor easy in Florida. It's it's sort of weird that way, I think it's because of the fact that Rhonda Santa's has had trouble attracting crowds Gillam has been much better about that. But I do think this race it has been imbued with some racial dog whistling, and it kinda started with Rhondda Santa's this whole idea of my guess, he he said at some point, you know, we don't elect Andrew gillum. We don't want a monkey this up. And then you had to. President calling injure Gillam a thief. So I you know, I think we're we're sort of sensitive to the in this race. But I think this particular instance, of using the word pick, and it didn't it didn't strike me as a sort of racial, but I thought it was so interesting was Gillingham's respond. Different than how we responded. That's right. When opponent said monkey it up different than in the debate CNN hosted that Jake tapper moderated where he went really hard back at this Hanson called him out for the dog whistling or the, you know. The horn the foghorn that he says more than a dog whistle that it's so loud here two days out. I just think it tells us everything where the. Not want to make this about again because he is not just courting a base in Florida, very purple state. He is also courting he wants to make sure some white voters who may not be comfortable picking him to go ahead and pick him about a buck. I just thought that was a really telling moment of where that race in place for him to stir the pot at all. It's close race. He wants those suburban an extra voters if he could get them, and so stirring, the pot again he's made his point about race. That's that's done. And I think it was very I saw a little differently. I think he basically said yeah, it's about race. But we're not going there. So he he was very deft move on his part because he he basically confirmed that. Yeah. I see this as an insult. I see this as them another dog whistle. But I'm gonna end this on a high note. So I some degree disagree with you. Because I think he did call him out. He just did it in a way that was very I'm drawing a contrast because he has called out to say, oh, no white overly throughout this campaign. So he made. But if not that he didn't do it it it didn't it didn't do like. Yeah. This is the saying that and I'm not going he he took it. But he took everyone approach when he took it a different view. Right. Does. I actually I told that was my first thought was Republicans have Democrats if you speak to them privately right now think that he has an edge in that race. I think he thinks he has an edge in that race and he's trying to land the plane here. And I thought he he was death. And I you know, I I thought he had to pretty well, how close do you think the races down there? Yeah. Oh, I think you know. It's it's close. I think if he wins it's going to be by a point two points, three points. But he's been consistently ahead in the polls down there. And if you talk to and we all do talk to people on both sides. There's not there's not a lot optimism on the Republican side. And and there's sort of guarded optimism on the democratic side. And there's a sense that Disentis may not have been fabulous candidate. Whereas whereas Gillam is of course, a very very good candidate as we as we just saw. And I you know, that's I said so important because it. Really is it's it's a handpicked kind of Trump person versus a very different vision of what a democrat can do is the democrat who is willing to be progressive. He's willing to be both these death. But he's willing to be progressive four Democrats. This fight inside our party about you, go to the moderate middle or do you run on your diversity on probably on your progressive ideals, if Gillam wins, it's not just important for Florida? It's important for the Democratic Party. And I also went aren't they a bunch of Puerto Ricans who had to leave their island because of what happened with that storm Maria or in Florida right now, they're American citizens. They can vote, and they are going to be voting for going and a lot of folks on the painting aren't going to be voting which is a real problem for for all the revolt. We're going to talk about Florida. We have another taper into case folk with a group of women there by dentistry his independence to see how they see the race at this stage. They said, and how that could translate to other elections perhaps run the country. Hey, it's Howard Beck. And I've got Sam amick of the Atlantic on Bleacher reports the full forty eight Lakers for me would be the panic side on the negative and then positive wise. I think Denver looking good as they do. You know is then tremendous fun to watch. You know, you'll get your star. You wrote the offended the piece on him last season. And I love everything they have going for them. So check out the full forty eight now on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts and Spotify. Latest polling shows Florida voters are almost evenly split on both the Senate and gubernatorial races or indicate spoke with a group of six women in Florida who call themselves independence now to vote in the primaries in Florida, you have to register with the party in this case one has registered as democrat to are registered Republicans three others did not vote in the primaries of those three one leads democratic. But again, they all call themselves independence. I know a lot of specifics. But we like tell you everything full transparency. Here's what they told. Randy. How many of you show hands have made up your mind about who you're voting for of the six Florida voters who identifies independent five know how they plan to vote, and I don't like the direction the negative direction that we're going right now. So I think it needs to be to flip. Sally Clark Faulk says she's voting democrat Nicole Padro was still undecided but leaning toward democrat Andrew gillum and the governor's race. And you're telling me like Gillam who's a democrat, and you're registered Republican from voting in the prime. So you're leaning democrat on the governor's race on that. Yeah. And that's the only one, okay? The key issues influencing their votes are immigration security, the environment and the economies. Erica DeAngelis is voting Republican. How the economy is doing a fax me personally. So when you hear that more people are working unemployment is way down at nearly fifty year low and wages are up that you like the sound of that for Republicans. Do what do you make of Donald Trump's approach in? In these final days and weeks these endless scare tactics about immigration and the caravan. Will that sway your vote -absolutely? I think the whole carrying at van thing is ridiculous. It's not an invasion. I mean, I just I'm ready for change, quite frankly. So you're saying Donald Trump scare tactics and on immigration will make him not vote Republican. That's correct. But not everyone's leading the president's language influence their vote Morgan Kissel and independent who didn't register to vote in the primary has decided to vote the Republican take it will the rhetoric about the caravan and the scare tactics. Change your vote. No, I've done all ninety search at this point. And I understand what's important to me as voter fear is very easy motivator to move people one direction another so has Donald Trump's behavior influence your vote one way or the other. Yeah, definitely has confirmed that I'm making the right decision. Not to vote in that direction. Not to vote Republican. But is the language. Do you think a turn to independent voters? I don't know that there's a scare tactic other than the fact that I think it's scary. Three thousand people that we don't know are trying to get into our borders. So I absolutely support a military going down to the border most in this. We're disgusted by Trump's remarks following the pipe bomb scare and fatal shooting at the Pittsburgh synagogue, suggesting both had slowed down Republicans tremendous momentum. And I just think it's a little careless. This, you know, far into the season for someone to say something like that one in such a tragic and sad moment, which just careless. It doesn't change my vote. But I think that sometimes people get too hung up on the way that Trump delivers his message instead of what he's actually trying to say, they it was disappointing that that was the reaction. But but that doesn't change your vote. He that doesn't weigh into your vote what he's been saying. No, it doesn't way on my vote six independent voters and five have their minds made up three will vote democrat to Republican and one likely split in key. Races. Reindeer K C N N Tampa. Well, just had we'll talk to the panel about whether women said it, and when it could say about races around the country. What is life life is unexpected unfiltered and anything but ordinary from an MS thirteen. So this is a pretty high crime area. Go go go to freeze and gender fluidity. And that moment, I am not the person that will chair. It's very releasing feeling when you see Steve dressed up as momentum. Do you? See your husband, please join me at least Lisa Ling for another incredible journey. This is life with Lisa Ling, Sundays at ten pm on CNN. This for the brakes three sixties indicate talking with the group of Florida independent voters part of the discussion the turn to the immigrant caravan. The President Trump has been a lot of time focusing on a look. Well, the rhetoric about the caravan and the scare tactics change your vote. No, I've done all my research at this point. I understand what's important to me as voter fear is very easy motivator to Luke people one director another so has Donald Trump's behavior influenced your vote one way or the other. Yeah. Definitely has confirmed that I'm making the right decision. Not to vote in that direction. Not vote Republican, right? Back now with our panel. How did you think? I mean, the president. There's a lot of great news for the president to be trumpeting pun intended. I mean, academy incredibly low unemployment numbers record, low unemployment numbers supreme court nominations or picks. His focus on the caravan. It's obviously not by accident. No. And look, I mean, I think we whatever you think about the caravan issue and so on and I have my feelings about it. The fact is that Republican enthusiasm has grown during this period. The question I have is in the last week after after the tragedies it it felt like the president kind of took it from ten to an eleven to try and regenerate Republican enthusiasm. And I think this was an interesting group because I wonder how there is a small group of independent voters who are going to make a difference in some of these races many of them in a suburban areas some of them much like those women who were there. Donald Trump carrot Florida carried independence in Florida in winning. That state narrowly Gillam is is winning independence right now. Also narrowly. I think that in Florida and elsewhere, the final closing push of Donald Trump may may go too far and push some people in close races in the wrong direction from his standpoint people who would probably have responded to the economic argument if he if he closed with you guys. You know, there is a lot of concern among Republicans, especially those working on house races. That just wish they don't think today to the point. They think immigration does help bring some Republican enthusiasm. We've seen it in the polls that it rises among Republicans as the top issue when Donald Trump puts it front and center, but these Republican strategists are saying why can't the economy being equal part of this argument. Why can't the accomplishments on the court being equal parts? The to that it bores me proposed. You know at ten percent tax cut for the middle class. And then said never mind that's going to happen. If Republicans when they have one other point I want to make is that these are women the president has a big gender problem. Here's a big education problem. I was looking at one number. We're sort of startled me today because you start with sixty percent of college educated white women now favored Democrats by thirty three point. So you have a focus group here of women who are saying, you know, I don't the Cavin thing you're not gonna you're not gonna scare me on that. And I think that may have repercussions in a lot of other races. They rather have him talking about healthcare. I believe don't you think? I mean, I think they this was a smart group of women. I think that women though, in general there was a poll that was done last week which said that eighty percent of Americans view the divisive rhetoric as being. Thing as a huge negative and as generating more danger to them. And so the issue about safety, especially in a state like Florida where they had. I don't know if she did this focus group today. But you know, they just had somebody who was an extremist go to a yoga studio shoot people. Right. So people in Florida, perhaps almost more than any other state has seen gun violence and have seen extremist violence, and I think that that language with independence and with women, although Senator one person scared taxes and others persons. Valid and let me just say one other thing. And I know they want to go over here. But when Virginia when this happened in Virginia in the last midterm election, and Ed Gillespie raised all this fear, some language about the other. It was it was it. He lost sorry to interrupt, Jennifer. Yeah. Just a minute. I mean, I gotta pick on the outside because you said these smart women as if because you have a college education. You're smart, if you don't have a college education, you're not I don't know if they have education. We're talking about gory was talking about. I don't know if they did. They know they knew what they were. They were. I thought you were responded to that works like the contracting in that same survey. Is it forty one percent? I believe it is of of a male white man who are high school Edger are or favoring Republicans. And so, you know, it's it is it is very divided. And there's. Don't do being smart who we gotta take a break. A lot more head. 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NYT: Saudi Arabia considering blaming top intelligence official close to crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman; CNN: Bolton & Kelly get into shouting match in West Wing; WH prepares for post-election brawls if DEMS win house

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NYT: Saudi Arabia considering blaming top intelligence official close to crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman; CNN: Bolton & Kelly get into shouting match in West Wing; WH prepares for post-election brawls if DEMS win house

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The rulers of Saudi Arabia are considering blaming a top intelligence official close to the crown prince for the murder of journalists, Jamal, be Shuki while the Trump administration tells the world way way way, give the Saudis more time. Bracing for battle. President Trump gets a new voyeur weeks before Democrats salivating to investigate this president who could possibly flip that mouse plus conflict of interest walked. Why does president from suddenly want the FBI to stay so close to the White House Democrats are charging it has everything to do with the Trump hotel business. We'll explain. Welcome to the leeann Jake tapper we begin today with our world lead the Saudi government which originally claimed for days that Washington Post columnist, Jamal joked he entered and exited its consulate in Istanbul. Without incident is now considering blaming a top intelligence official close to the crown prince Mohammad bin Salman or MB NBS four, his murder, three people with knowledge of the plan told the New York Times. This news comes as Saudis insist. They need more time for their investigation in into his likely murderer, and remarkably, the US government. The Trump administration seemed to be accepting this all at face value or at the very least they seem to want the public to secretary of state. Mike Pompeo calling for patience today after meeting with President Trump at the White House. This report itself will be transparent for everyone to say task questions about and to choir with respect to its thoroughness. And I told President Trump this morning that we ought to give them a few more days to complete that so that we to have a complete understanding of the facts, complete understanding of the facts, the facts as apparently uncovered by the Saudis investigating themselves. This all comes as the Washington Post reports. The Trump administration is working with Saudi government on a quote, mutually agreeable explanation that avoids implicating the crown prince MB s which is interesting. Given that the New York Times is reporting that US quote, intelligence agencies have growing circumstantial evidence of the princes involvement, including not only intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a plan ahead of time to detain his, gee, but these surveillance images released today by Turkish media, which show a man named Maher of Dula Z's Mutri's a Saudi diplomat. And intelligence officer, which with close ties to the prince entering Turkey the same day that he showed he disappeared. We should know we have traveled alongside and the s. throughout his visit to the United States earlier this year at MIT and in Houston c. n. n.'s Alex Marquardt joins me now live, Alex. A source familiar with the investigation tells CNN that Mubarak the man in those images played a quote pivotal role in the apparent assassination of this journalist, he shook, yeah, that's right. Jake in that same source also telling us that neutrality was fully aware of the plot as they called it of that operation to kill a Shuki in it's done bull. And now this news, that Saudi Arabia is also thinking about pinning all of this according to New York Times on a general named off met all Serey. Now we know that he is a high ranking advisor to the crown prince. Those two ties both going back to 'em Bs who just met with secretary of state. Mike Pompeo who told them Bs a source says that the Saudis need to quote own this. Back in Washington after a whirlwind trip to Saudi Arabia and Turkey had a chance to talk with in in Riyadh with king with the crown prince secretary of state. Mike Pompeo was expected to tell the president, what answers he'd gotten about the death of Kupchak. She instead the message was, let's wait and see for the results of a Saudi investigation into themselves. I told President Trump this morning that we ought to give them a few more days to complete that so that we to have complete understanding of the fact surrounding that which point we can make decisions about how for the United States should respond Pompeii. Oh, came under fire. After this chummy seen with crown prince Mohammad bin Salman also known as m b s? But a source tells c. n. n. that behind closed doors, those smiles ended when the cameras left Pompeii. Oh, then told them Bs he'd have to own the situation or the US will take action because the world will demand it. And the vice president today saying the US won't. Just settle for the Saudis findings. When we have that information and we won't solely rely on that information, we'll collect all the evidence, and then the president will have a decision to make about what the proper course of action is for us going forward. But the world deserves answers the problem that the administration has the president through his public statements has cast doubt particularly here in Washington about whether or not those serious strong messages were actually delivered. This as new images were released by Turkish media from security cameras. Allegedly of another of the fifteen man team that flew in from Saudi Arabia Maher Abdulaziz MU trib is a diplomat and intelligence officer who sources say, played a pivotal role in cookies. Apparent assassination tribe has been spotted several times before an NBA is traveling entourage. One more link to the embattled crown prince Mohammad bin Salman the crown prince runs all the security services. He runs the military that Konami he's an autocrat is. Known to be particularly cruel. Haven't done the only concrete action. The Trump administration has so far taken after the horrific apparent murder is Treasury Secretary, Steven, Mnuchin tweeting. He will not attend an investment conference in Riyadh next week belatedly joining the already long list of business and political leaders who have pulled out as the world waits for an explanation from the Saudis. And Jake, the delay in that official explanation from the Saudis is of course only fueling speculation that they're still working on their cover story. Meanwhile cook, she is family has just released a statement saying they are not yet resigned to the fact that he's dead saying that he's still missing in their minds since there's been no official proof. Otherwise, Jake. All right, Alex, Marquardt. Thanks so much minutes ago. President Trump spoke about Shuki on his way to a rally. Jobe instead. It certainly looks that way to me. It's very sad rather than what are you considering for possible consequences for thought he based on those little have to be very severe. I mean, it's it's bad bets, but we'll see what happens. Joining me now is democratic congresswoman, Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii. She's a major in the army national guard and serves on the house foreign affairs committee, congressman good to see you as as always Saudi sources, telling the New York Times regime plans to pin the blame on a high-ranking intelligence official with close ties to NBS who they say. This intelligence official didn't have the appropriate authority to act. You buy it. We've heard different versions of statements coming from the Saudi government as the coverage has really exploded around what actually happened to Mr. kashogi I think this is really an impetus. This should be an impetus for you for those in the media for those in the public to challenge this administration to challenge many members of congress who claim that Saudi Arabia is a close ally. This should challenge us to look at the facts of Saudi Arabia's record beyond what has happened to this journalist, things like Saudi Arabia, being theocratic dictatorship Saudi Arabia, being this number one exporter of the extreme while hobby Salafist ideology. That's fueling terrorist groups like ISIS and al-qaeda to the tune of billions of dollars a year Saudi Arabia waging continuing to wage the centuries old, sectarian war, this Sunni Shia war in. In which part of that war they are funding financing, providing weapons and support to terrorist groups, like al-qaeda in places like Syria and also waging a genocidal war in the m in that has killed tens of thousands of Yemeni civilians children and creating what the UN has called the worst humanitarian crisis in a generation with eight million people who are starving and sick because of this Saudi US coalitions blockade in Yemen. So this should force this. This tougher conversation here and to be confronted with the facts at Saudi Arabia, in fact, is not our ally. Their interests do not align with ours. I have a question about the larger US Saudi relationship in a second, but before I do, I do want to drill down just on the Shuki incident. If we can sources telling CNN the president's son-in-law and top advisor, Jared Kushner is cautioned the president to proceed cautiously before making any decisions on what to do. What do you think of that? What do you think about secretary pump Heo saying. The Saudis need more time in their investigation into what happened. I think these are all just examples of how this president is not putting the wellbeing of our country. I and frankly is instead kind of behaving like the businessman that he is though this country is a corporation. The problem is he is a businessman without a conscience. So he's thinking and he's talked about how will we don't want to ruin our relationship with Saudi Arabia because of this hundred, ten billion dollar arms deal and all the money that that will make, but not looking at what the consequences of these decisions are not looking at the atrocities and this genocide that Saudi Arabia is waging in Yemen today. So when you look at all of these kind of different hedging and excuses and things that are coming forward, it points again to this start fact and reality that this so-called alliance between nited states and Saudi Arabia really shouldn't exist that all because our interests are not aligned the you've called for the US to suspend its. In support of this Saudi led war in Yemen where thousands of not millions of individuals, innocent people have been killed or under the threat of starvation right now. Beyond that. What actions do you want the Trump administration to take in in the wake of shock cheese, death. Well, first of all, we need to end this Saudi US alliance period. We need to stop selling them. These precision guided missiles, these weapons in these arms that they are using to kill civilians in places like Yemen. We need to end our US military support in Yemen, and and this is something that I want to talk about a little bit because there hasn't been much focus placed on what the United States role has been in partnering with Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Something that began in two thousand fifteen under the Obama administration continuing now through the Trump administration where our US military are refueling Saudi bomber planes. They are dropping US made bombs that we have supplied to them. We are providing them with intelligence and targeting support as has been reported by this administration and therefore very complicit in this genocidal war that that Saudi Arabia is waging in Yemen. As you said it is causing millions of Yemeni people to starve. And suffer what to speak of innocent civilians and children to the tune of tens of thousands who have been killed because of this war. This must end. Now we have legislation introduced within congress. We are trying to push enforce vote on this to end that support for Saudi Arabia in this war in Yemen. Now let me ask you a question because you got a lot of criticism after you met with Boucharlat Saad in Syria. You came here. We talked about it, and one of the arguments you made is look. This guy is the leader of Syria, whether we like him or not. We need to work with him in order to stop the bloodshed in Syria. We need to work with him to stabilize that country. What do you say to a critic who says it sounds like you have different standards for Assad than you do for the Saudis? I think you're, you're misquoting my position and my statements on this, my position on Syria as well as countries like Iraq and Libya has been that it is not in our interest in the United States to continue to wage destructive and costly regime, change wars that are not only costly for us, the American people, but that in each of these instances has made the lives of the people in those countries far worse off and we can go into detailed examples within these three countries where we have and continue to wage these regime change wars. That's one situation that that I continue to push wrongly for us to end this destructive United States policy in Yemen is a different situation where we are actively working in concert with Saudi Arabia in waging a genocidal war against the civilians of Yemen must. And now I meant more like. The idea that we need to work with. I'm not talking about Yemen right now. I mean the idea that that we need to end the relationship with the Saudis, but it's okay to have a relationship with a sod just to end that war. Just the real politic of that that no, no, I just interject here. Jake because that's not that's not at all. What I'm saying has been. We need to be willing to have the conversation with people who may be adversaries or dictators people like Kim Jong on in North Korea. If we are serious about the pursuit of peace, if we are serious about trying to alleviate the suffering of people in these countries, this is a, that's a very different statement than saying, we need to end our alliance with Saudi Arabia. I'm not saying we don't have a conversation with them. I'm saying we need to stop using our US military to do what Saudi Arabia. Once we need to end this alliance that actually has been counter to serving the interests of the American people and our national security, I get the distinction. I just wanted to. To to understand it better than I appreciate your time doing that congresswoman. Tulsi Gabbard. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks, Jake. And we've got breaking news about a major shouting match happening inside the west wing. Today. We'll explain who was involved in why? Plus, despite the president's constant criticism of the b. i. turns out he wants to keep them close. We'll explain. Support for the lead comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Let's talk about buying a home for a minute because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home these days, it's causing a lot of anxiety with folks. Well, our friends at Quicken Loans are doing something about that. They're calling it, the power buying process. Here's how it works. Quicken Loans will verify your income assets and credit in less than twenty four hours to give you a verified approval. This gives you the strength of a cash buyer. 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Move back with breaking news in our politics lead a heated argument described as a quote, shouting match happened in the west wing today between two of the president's top aides, chief of staff, John Kelly and national security advisor embassador John Bolton, that's according to sources familiar with the argument who told our CNN's Kaitlan Collins who's here with us among our panel of experts, Kaitlyn, how serious was his argument? What was it about? Well, I got pretty ugly and they were talking about that rise in border crossings. And of course that's a pretty common topic. It's something that periods President Trump. We saw him on Twitter today threaten to shut down the border, but what it got dramatic between was John Kelly and John Bolton. Today they were arguing about this. It started in front of President Trump. It continued in the halls of the west wing. They were shouting each other. Their was profanity. The big question is what is part of this, but I'm told now this is a really big part of this argument. Why got ugly John Bolton started criticizing the secretary Kirsten Nelson who, of course is a sidekick essentially to John Kelly. He brought her to the west wing with him when he first became chief of staff, she had been. His deputy DA chess, and then he was the one who convinced President Trump to let her lead DHS done criticize her today saying, essentially that she wasn't doing her job and needed to start doing it and that set John Kelly off and led to this argument. An argument in this west wing is normal. It is really bitter. It is really divided in their people argue on a regular basis, but this was different and it actually lead people to think that John Kelly might resign. Now he's someone who has threatened to resign in the past when he and President Trump disagreed. But this was so ugly today that people genuinely thought that he could resign because they saw it as President Trump's siding with John Bolton in the beginning of this argument. And that is something that only added to John Kelly's fury here. So if he does, that's an open question. He's not traveling with the president to Montana. He wasn't scheduled to that rally tonight. But John volt, we know kept about his schedule going on with meetings this afternoon, but this is a really ugly fight that startled people in this west wing. And that actually says a lot because they see a lot of fights here. Look, these are both tough guys with very thick skin. Small dislo, Kelly fix good. Got pretty thick skin, and it's a very small space the west wing, because people people think that watch the show on TV. It's expanse now it's not. It's very tiny here. There's an argument outside the west won. You could hear it standing in the breaching. Yeah, exactly. It's it's it's pretty tight quarters. And so when you have a much more than a hush tone conversation, I it. It can be heard, look, these, these folks, both of these guys. You know, these guys are shrinking violets. They're pretty pretty pretty forceful in their opinions, but you know, I don't. I don't. I don't take it as much. I think there's been a lot of there's been a lot of back and forth between this chief of staff and and look. John Bolton is a guy who's got very strongly held opinions going to push back yard. I think what's interesting is, you know, as you point out the attack on the DHS secretary and if the president sat back on his hands and kind of watched foldable, that's kind of news worthy, right? If if he's letting him go on and saying, yeah, maybe she should be doing her job a little better. And it's also clears it up because I didn't understand when I first heard that it was about border crossings and perhaps even the caravan making its way through Central America. I didn't understand what they would be disagreeing about because Bolton and Kelly are both immigration anti illegal immigration hardliners. I think it's fair to say, so this makes more sense that it has to do with a personnel manner. As you look all this drama in the White House dick and they say, we can't put the women in charge. I'm just saying, I'm just saying this is I, I don't really know what's going on this White House, but I can't say if it is the fact that that you know there's criticism of secretary. I would think there are members of congress on the hill that share that criticism over. There are many members of congress from commonly Harris on down who have noted that she should step down because she thinks she's lied to congress. I agree in that assessment and that she has not been truthful with the American people when it comes to the HSS policy on what they are actually doing at the board. Gogo Donald, God forbid, forgive me, but I'm gonna defend the Trump White House. Rub in this race as Jake. I used to work in the west wing you, right? I couldn't order lunch without hurling profanities and I still want to the sailors at the navy mess. Right. That is. It is, does suggest I don't support these people in sport anything they do. Okay. But it's just that they're doing their job, but I think Simone, you make a really powerful point, which is a president has to resolve that. But there has been no real oversight. Right? Because the same party controls the congress, and it would actually be healthier for the president. Honestly, if there was some real oversight of what whether DHS was doing a good job, that's part of why you have these explosions because there is no outside oversight of what they're doing. But I, I have no problem with them. Person had each other in the hall, so much more than just using some ugly words in an argument it though it's much more complicated than that because when John Bolton came into the west wing, he had a centrally as much power as John Kelly. That was when John Kelly had pretty much no influence with the president at that time, and he really empowered John Bolton, Larry Kudlow and others to really, you know, not have to operate enough to answer the TV staff Bill shine, isn't he? New Bill, isn't there too. It's a little bit there and Bs with. But with John Kelly and Kirsten Nelson, this dynamic with President Trump is you brought up Trump is the one who dressed Kirsten Nelson down at that cabinet meeting in front of everybody. She essentially was not doing her job on immigration. So he agrees with John Bolton that she needs to step up and start doing her job now whether or not what does she Nielsen things. What does that the President Trump is fear infuriated that the border crossing numbers are up. You can see that from his tweets. You can see he's enraged about that. He, he always picks a person to take it out on. He's taking it out on to Nelson, even though John Kelly who is defending her essentially feels that she is doing the job that she's supposed to be doing. That's how we saw President Trump criticize her during that one cabinet meeting Jeff Sessions was the only one who kinda stood up her, but she also kinda stood up for herself to President, Trump remarking that she feels like she's doing her job. So it's a lot more complicated than just a fight. It really lays bare the power dynamics. The arguments between Kelly Kelly in Bolton, so much more of us also talked about the fact that the president clearly from his tweet today thinks that the immigration issue is an issue, a big issue that could help drive Republican turnout in the midterm elections. You know, I, I think the president and a lot of Republicans in the in the closing arguments in the midterms are using fearmongering tactics to try to gin up their base, which I think is unfortunate. I look if the president really doesn't think here's Nelson between her. Job, and he thinks she should be a little tougher. If I remember during the Obama administration, the homeland security secretary went down to Honduras, went down to the South American country. John Jay, Jason Kidd gave speeches in the native language in Spanish in the native language is they said, don't come down now I've, there's. Ballots criticism of that. But what I'm saying is the Trump administration even been a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not enough to just say, don't come here. Have you what? What? What do diligence at the Trump administration doing also threatening this match aid? How's that helpful to the folks in Honduras. Just to explained the president saying today that if this caravan doesn't stop the president's going to cut off foreign aid to Central America. Listen, it's a serious crisis. This is a refugee crisis, immigration crisis, right? The problem lies in these home countries, right? El Salvador, Honduras Guatemala. These people aren't fleeing just for jobs, they're fleeing for their lives and the extent that that's not address they're going to keep coming. We go back. Take a quick break. President Trump's pick for his new White House. Counsel may be all about the coming. Midterms will explain everyone stick around. We'll talk to you after this. You know what's not smart job sites that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes, but you know what is smart? ZipRecruiter dot com slash tapper unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you Zip Recruiter finds them for you. 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President Trump's lead White House attorney handling the Russia investigation, Emmett flood will fill that role while the administration waits for the president's new, pick Washington lawyer, Pat sip baloney to start. It's an unusual arrangement. Typically, the person in the job stays on until the successor is ready to begin, but the president and began had long had a contentious relationship in June. Two thousand seventeen began threatened to resign rather than carry out the president's order to fire special counsel, Robert Muller Mcgann met with Muller for more than thirty hours news that cost the caught the president off guard, and a source tells CNN, quote, Mcgann was tired of the president, and the president was tired of Mcgann c. n. n.'s Jessica dean. Now, Jessica, is there any of the -cation that the president will have a better relationship with the new guys baloney then then he did with Don Mcgann? Well, Jake. I spoke with a lawyer who worked in the special counsel's office under President Trump, and he told me President Trump is comfortable with pets at bologna, who's been acting as an informal adviser to him and that the two of already established a report. I'm also told that this hiring comes down to one thing, the Trump White House gearing up for a potential partisan battle. Should the Democrats take the house in November. New White House counsel pats bologna will have his hands full stepping into his job as the White House braces for potential legal storms. Following November's midterms, the Washington DC based lawyer is also a former Justice department official during President. George h. w. Bush's administration when he was first being considered in August President, Trump's personal attorney j secular. Oh, put out a statement praising simple, Onis ability, quote, Patsy baloney is a brilliant attorney. I have had the privilege to work with him and Kennedy test to his skill, integrity and knowledge of the law. Civil Onis hiring shows. The White House is gearing up in the event. Democrats take the house which could lead to a number of new investigations of the Trump administration, and perhaps even an impeachment battle. To feel some degree of confidence that you can utilize those legal abilities in what is a political environment that you bring to the job some sense of political sensitivity. He's going to have a lot on his plate at one time had lawyer for the office of the presidency. The White House counsel advises the president and his staff on legal issues surrounding everything from policy to any investigations or subpoenas mic Republican top position once dramatized on the west wing order. The attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor, not just any special prosecutor. The most blood spitting Bartlett hating Republican in the bar. He's going to have an unlimited budget and a staff like an army. The new slogan around here is going to be bring it on TV version that may be sip baloney slogan as he's tasked with protecting President Trump from any legal reactions or inclinations that could be damaging. I don't envy him. I worked for president who listened, who took advice, who respected advice and who, unless it was painting way off base, followed that advice. You can't count on that with President Trump. That's pretty clear. So that's going to be a challenge for him. Woolmer White House counsel Don Mcgann found himself in a unique situation as a witness involved in the molar investigation, as you mentioned sitting for more than thirty hours worth of interviews. Now, as a result attorney, Emmett flood has been handling the White House response to that investigation as special counsel to the president. Again, he'll continue that work alongside sip baloney. And as you mentioned, beat White House counsel until baloney officially starts. Jake. Thanks so much. Let's talk about this with my panel and you know, mister Sipple owner, you work with him on the twelve Rixon toward cents. Whereas for president can't almost almost on that. We didn't work, didn't work out, but is he a in the immortal words of the godfather? Is he a wartime consigliere? He'll be ready for the democrat, a serious cut. Well, listen, nobody can be ready. The only person that's ready, maybe Emmett flood who's sitting in the seat and who's gone through this before. So Emmett has experienced this since he worked for Bill Clinton? No, we're going to change bush-cheney private Lofton, okay. But but he was he was a part of this getting prepared for the partisan onslaught of subpoenas and investigations document production. But Pat as a serious lawyer series member of the bar, a very bright guy litigator and he he's up to the task. Let's talk about impeachment for a second because former vice president Biden was did an interview with Donald CBS and was asked about it, and he didn't seem to be waving the impeachment flag. Take a listen, and if Democrats win the house, do you believe that they may move forward with articles of impeachment. I hope they don't. I don't think there's a basis for doing that right now. I think we should wait until the report comes out. I hope they don't. There are Democrats who have already filed members of. I'm Jake Democrats are not running on impeachment in this midterm election. We run on things like health care. The economy tax breaks for working people, not corporations and look an impeachable offense. Really the base of it is whatever the houses odds at the point in time when he likes to decide when unimpeachable defense it. So with all respect to vice president. But if the house decides is a democratic house, which I think we'll have decided that there are that there isn't a peachable prior to the Mueller investigation being concluded, then they'll be well within their rights to do that. I don't know if that was just to be fair Democrats. They're already submitted articles of impeachment. Okay. Democrats have already done that. Are there on and there are not only house and Senate candidates. Democrats who are running who are on the ballot, this November, but two thousand twenty presidential candidates. We'll take care of. I don't know any. I've been all across the country volunteering for challenges, house candidates who are Democrats from New York, Nevada, Illinois, Texas, none of them, none of them because they realize it's a losing winning Washington. The running as shown, says on prescription, drug benefits, healthcare, what they ought to be running on though is Mitch McConnell this week saying, I want to cut Medicare and social security. Every democrat in America ought to be advertising on that. Let impeach I think vice president. Exactly, right. You don't want to put the country through impeachment. We look the best. On Mitch McConnell's gift to the end. Mitch, McConnell. Mitch McConnell says that after the midterms Republicans might try to repeal ObamaCare. Again, he said, quote, if we had the votes to completely start over, we do it, but that depends on what happens in a couple of weeks. We're not satisfied with the way ObamaCare is working. However, take a look and how voters fear about ObamaCare and this new poll fifty. Three percent have a favorable view of the Affordable Care Act, ObamaCare, forty two percent have an unfavorable view. How does Obama Care? I don't hear every single one of President Trump's rallies, but it doesn't seem like he focuses as much. He talks about ObamaCare. He talks about the attempt to repeal and he takes his shot at John McCain, even after he passed away. But it doesn't seem to be a focus of his speech, and it used to be a really big on because he was so incensed about that. Now he's talking about Medicare for all. He's got a few more hits worked into that rally, essentially gives the same speeches it most of these, but he is becoming increasingly concerned about the midterms. You know, he's saying he is not going to take responsibility. If the Democrats do take back the house and. He's publicly thanking thinks Republicans are going to be fine, which is not what Republicans want. He should say Republicans exactly. Don't want him to say that, but Trump is increasingly saying that, but behind the walls of the west wing people in the White House are pretty much readily admitting they believe this can happen, but going back to pats take the hands. Yes, they're pretty much prepared for that. Whatever that's going to entail is a little bit more worrisome thir- then, but they do think they're going to take back the house, but back to pets bologna. He's got a pretty tough job ahead of him. I mean, Don Mcgann and the president had this love hate relationship that was mostly hate and a little bit of love. People often described it as a tortured relationship because you could see what President Trump how he viewed Don Mcgann through this lens that he's his personal lawyer, not the White House lawyer which he was the White House counsel. So it's going to be interesting to see how he fits into this mold how he interacts. The president is the president becomes increasingly agitated that the Muller probe hasn't wrapped up. And if if as based on our reporting, you know, there are more indictments to come from Muller and whatnot. We're going to see that increase. So it'll. Be interesting to see how President Trump treats baloney we already know, but are reporting Evan Perez that he hadn't even been formally told. This is how we're going to roll out the job when President Trump announced it during that interview. Interview on the wall. Okay. Let me have this all worked out because they had to name emit flood is the acting White House counsel until sip baloney officially comes into you? See, there's already kale's pine. Let's talk about some of the races because it's really a fascinating slew of races, Senate and house. I want to run a little bit of an ad from Senator Joe Donnelly democrat running in a very, very red state of Indiana. The latest polls show the race is essentially a toss up. Take a look at the new Donnelly ad and just reminder. This is a democrat, I'm guessing his internal polling shows different. I flew in my own party. To support funding for Trump's border wall. The liberal left wants the chop defense spending, no way. I'm not into a fair fight. I'm about giving our troops the ad. I've always been pro-life in pro gun and Mike Bron. He shifts jobs to China. That is one of the dynasty that is one of the best that is one of the most Trumpy ads I'd ever seen in terms of his messaging, but the the liberal laughed border wall give our troops in pro-life pro gun goes after the Republicans are shipping be too leftist, but that is that is a fairly reliable democratic vote. I, if I was wondering, might not signed off on this at, I think, look, I think downing has done a great service to the people of Indiana and I, I'm looking forward to him winning reelection. I think there are a number of Democrats across the country doing what they need to do to get elected without compromising their bodies. I can't say the same Republic. Oh, check everything. He said was absolutely true in his record. I checked the nerd website. Fivethirtyeight says, Joe votes with Trump fifty three point, eight percent of the time. So that's a legit on us at I have a problem, fifty grand. It's fifty three. That's half the time that's the least votes Trump, right? So that's about as the way day calculate the nerds calculated, but that's a far cry from my beloved Texas. There's this Republican, congressman will hurt. He's running as if he's by parson. I looked him up. He votes ninety five point, seven percent of the time with Trump. Then he goes home to Texas, is I'm not partisan. Joe is not partisan here in Washington. I think he's got every right to go home to the innocent, hey, I'm not a guy who is running to be the next Joe Donnelly as it were is Phil Bredesen's former governor of Tennessee. He's running in Tennessee for Senate against congresswoman. Marsha Blackburn and a new poll from Vanderbilt shows the the race there, essentially dead like forty five, forty, five. And I heard from a Republican source that that's not so different from internals. Republicans have maybe Blackburn gets us a little bit of an edge, but that's a tight race to so. So in that case, listen, Phil Bredesen's an incredibly popular mayor of Tennessee and Crabtree popular governor of Tennessee and a great retail politician. Marsha Blackburn not as popular right statewide. She's getting the Trump out. So the state Bredesen's fighting his own just 'cause he's a great politician a wet. Did you do the Republicans in the White House? Think that they're going to pick up seats in the Senate, it's going to stay the same or did they look at Indiana Tennessee and think we might even lose a few. It depends on how hopeful they are, but those who have been around Washington and worked for other people. There Republicans before people who didn't come here with Trump, you know, from New York or from wherever they're not so confident they really do see that. This could be a very real problem for them and they're trying to look ahead to the future how they're going to react when the Democrats do take back, what's their plan going to be speaking of races, be sure to tune into CNN at seven pm eastern this evening for a live town hall in Texas. With Democratic Senate candidate beta a works in its Danna bash. We'll moderate. We should note as we have CNN invited Senator Ted Cruz multiple times to appear tonight in his own town hall. He declined stay with us. The FBI headquarters is falling apart, but it seems President Trump really didn't want the agency to leave the building. The reason why next. Hey, it's Howard Beck, and I've got to buy us Harrison. The clippers on bleach reports, the forty eight guys about seventy percent. Vietnam base plan base in every now. And then I give myself the freedom that if I want to go be fish, which I do like I keep it open for myself. The full forty eight is now available on Spotify. And of course you can always listen subscribe all the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. The president's keeping FBI headquarters close, very close to the White House, but Democrats are asking if scrapping plans to move the FBI headquarters is actually a scheme to boost business at the Trump hotel in DC, new internal government emails released today, show the president was directly involved in the decision to keep the FBI headquarters in Washington DC instead of the previous plans to move them to the suburbs c. n. n.'s Tom foreman joins us in our conflict of interest watch series. Tom, the president's business interests have already led to court cases. Could that happen here? Cool. It could certainly get very messy. Congressional Democrats are demanding a pile of papers from the Trump administration explaining how this massive plan to build a new FBI headquarters, suddenly changed course who is behind it and who might stand profit. Overcrowded outdated and crumbling plans to relocate and rebuild. FBI headquarters have been in the works for years with governments showing how it could be moved from downtown DC to one of several possible sites in nearby Maryland or Virginia. The cost three point, six billion tax dollars, but now a different plan is calling for the FBI center to be rebuilt, right? Where it is, even though it would be smaller than the suburban alternative likely have security risks and be more expensive. Three point, eight billion. So who came up with that? I'm a real estate guy. I'd build buildings a study by the inspector, general of the General Services Administration traces a series of meetings in which the suburban plan was pushed aside by the Trump administration. Amid claims that keeping the headquarters downtown would be cheaper. Yanji report shows team Trump's math is wrong. Nonetheless, press secretary. Sarah. Sanders insists the president wanted to save the government money, and also the f. b. i. leadership did not want to move its headquarters. Skeptics, however, suspect a hidden motive for years. Donald Trump had been all four freeing up that FBI land downtown for private development with his brand new hotel close by even talking about getting in on the action, but congressional Democrats in a letter to the GSA say something important changed after he was born in as president and became ineligible as a federal employees to obtain the property. He reportedly became dead, opposed to the government selling the property, which would have allowed commercial developers to compete directly with the Trump hotel. He was directly involved with the decision to abandon the long term relocation plan, and instead move ahead with the more expensive proposal, there is no proof so far and the White House insist once again, House Democrats have it all wrong, but those Democrats are demanding the paperwork to prove it. The government won't turn over the information on the president. That's exact reasoning. Why is the president doing this? Why we just don't know. But the inspector general found in ministration official may have misled congress about the president's role in all of this reigniting those long smoldering concerns about potential conflicts of interest for this billionaire president, Jake. All right, Tom foreman. Thanks so much signs point to the president's direct involvement in this plan. Do you think this is a serious serious issue? We don't know yet is the president. He has a right to have a direct voice in where the FBI is located. I don't have a problem with that, but this, this conflict of interest will always hang over him. Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer and he put his peanut warehouse in a blind trust, right? So that nobody could say that people were buying peanuts from him to influence him. This guy owns a huge hotel right down the street it. The problem is he he should have divested himself of all this heat should still. He is going to be tied in knots by discovering. He's going to have. God forbid, there's some somebody FBI who says, hey, the president in an Email right. The president wants to improve his real estate values. So ex, I mean, that's the kind of thing that could come out with proper oversight from congress. Is this something that the White House take seriously? I mean, obviously they've been dealing with questions about conflicts of interest from the very beginning when the president did not put his assets in a blind trust, and that was one of the original problems at the White House based on a regular basis, especially because of the Trump hotel here in DC just blocks from the White House where he regularly holds fundraisers. It's the pretty much all I actually think it's the only place in Washington. He goes to besides private fundraisers at people's homes, but that is the question does is anything else going to come out from this report that shows as much, but the White House is saying, no. He simply was merely following the wishes of the FBI when he made this decision just to be clear. So everybody in the real world knows it doesn't live here in DC. There are lots of other hotels in Washington, lots of hotels, right across the street. The Marriott, the Willard, the w, there's tons of hotels up down Pennsylvania Avenue. So the notion that some of the president is not going to let the f. b. i. move. So a hotel. Another hotel comes to Pennsylvania Avenue. Somewhat somewhat far fetched. I, I will say to Paul's point, look, this is something the White House and Pat sip baloney need to buckle because it's going to be a lot of this coming, right? A lot of it just to point out the General Services Administration, inspector general report concluded that officials greatly underestimated the cost of keeping the headquarters of the FBI in DC. Additionally, they said the GSA was not taking into account the money that would be earned from selling the Hoover building land. So it's unclear whether or not financially keeping it was the right decision. Absolutely. Which is why think congress in a letter asking for more information it'd be here. I don't think that we should pay over the fact that Donald Trump had been on record previously when he was a private business owner. One of the wanted to land and all of a sudden that he becomes president his mind changes because he is now in eligible to buy the land. It's not about another hotel. It's about anybody else's, Donald Trump. So with MRs why congress needs exert proper oversight, I wished the Republicans in congress would do that since they haven't. I think if Democrats will in the house. They will do. So I think this is an institution. The congress has a terrible job has been doing a terrible job of exercising, their constitutional responsibility of oversight. So what the is I mean, this is the kind of thing that congress could do an actual oversight a hearing, find out that there's nothing there and then they don't do it. We'd also comes the week that propublica reported the President Trump in his family regularly, misled and deceive potential investors and buyers to make a profit off of the real estate projects. Take a look at some of the examples, two thousand eight. If Trump told reporters that sixty percent of the units at the tower, the Trump Tower. And so New York were sold in reality, only fifteen percent of the units have been sold that tower since gone bankrupt with Trump name removed. Ivanka Trump said the Trump International hotel in Toronto was virtually sold out of units and a two thousand nine hundred view and reality less than twenty. Five percent of its units had been sold again, a two thousand sixteen bankruptcy filing, and that five letter name t. r. u. m. p. being stripped from more buildings in New York. The New York Times reporting. Another building has. The list of other buildings and hotels that have removed the president's name after licensing it years ago. So when it comes to the Trump hotel question, it's not as these. This family hasn't been accused of shady business dealings, although we should point out shady in real estate is not necessarily. Hyperbole, right? That's public lost money. People have said, oh, the Trump's are doing this. They say that almost all the units are filled. I'm gonna, invest money, turns out only fifteen percent. I'm sure they'll be lawsuits going is about specificity. You can say, this is the greatest most excellent. You know, typical Trumpian hyperbole. When you say sixty percent of the units are soul when it's only twenty percent, if that's accurate reporting, that's fraught, oh, they'll, I'm sure they'll be lawsuits recoup the money if it is in fact fraud. But I guess this feed feeds into the narrative that the president has. The lion lied about and businesses, and that they have issue tells me to. Here's a question, doesn't matter. Does it matter to voters. I think that it's becoming a trend and not a train. The people are getting comfortable with. I think folks, honestly thought that Donald Trump would grow out of this as he became president and the fact that he has not that the president will lie about small things. That lens is that it's face. The president will lie about large things. What else has the president been on truthful about? I think that lingers in the back of says, but also one of the things is of course, people who thought President Trump is a liar before all of this are still going to think he's alive. People who do not think he's a liar and made them media makes this stuff up or they're reporting his accurate are still going to think that as well. So I don't think it's going to Russia. Russia's over the White House. She's got their voters on Trump rallies. There was that New York Times story about the president's taxes saying that he engaged in all sorts of things were clearly fraud and against the law. And it lasted a couple of days, but he's he's not running yet. This will come back when he's back on the ballot and not simply in terms of the attacks cheap, right? It's going to be. He lied about that. He's also lying about your social security, your Medicare. I'm telling you this thing is all going to be about entitlements. Mitch McConnell has said, I want to Caroline Kennedy, thirty pay tax, but this we know now and we've known for a long time. Own in the room with the lights off. They're gonna steal your social security, and that's what they do. The president's. Just out and said, know, touch of social security is true. All the President Trump just like he said, sixty percent of the units would so come on Donald Trump. Lice, Johnson figure. All right. Anyway. Thank you so much coming up next, an unusual and unexpected invitation North Korea's dictator an atheist, inviting pope Francis to the hermit kingdom, but will the pontiff accepts they with us. So many people around the world depend on CNN's quality reporting. And now they have an incredible online store. We've clothes gear and gadgets right now you can get fifteen percent off your purchase, just visit store dot, CNN dot com. 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