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Floridians With Felony Convictions Must Pay Fines Before They Can Vote

NPR's Business Story of the Day

04:17 min | 10 months ago

Floridians With Felony Convictions Must Pay Fines Before They Can Vote

"This message comes from NPR sponsor Agian, the future-proof Payments Platform. Welcome all payments beyond the cutting edge of customer experiences and grow your business with Adian visit. A. D. Y. E. N. dot com slash NPR to learn more. Florida's Republican legislature is largely succeeding in its drive to prevent people with felony convictions from voting the people of Florida voted otherwise two years ago by an overwhelming margin Floridians overturned the state's lifelong ban on voting for people convicted of crimes. Then Florida lawmakers stepped in the legislators barred people from voting if they still owe outstanding fines, which most can't afford to pay Danny Rivera of member station, wwl R. N. reports on the result. The Big promise when voters passed a ballot initiative in two thousand eighteen was that more than a million Floridians would get the right to vote back. But after the stay connected voting with making payments, less than ten thousand ex-felons are expected to vote in November according to research from Georgetown? Law. Center. That's because the majority of people can't afford to pay what they owe. Even if a tiny percent of them can have paid all my fines. I have pay my dentist society. And now, maybe Bolt Sean came out of Florida State. Prison six years ago where she was serving time for drug charges. But when I met her in August, she was marching to the polls in Miami to vote in Florida's primary election. Jones a social worker. Now for the occasion, she's wearing a homemade black and pink shirt that celebrates how far she's made it. So my shirt says she's been reform. DC number, which is day county corrections crossed out. And I have my voter registration number checked So no longer a felon and my is not a few Florida counties have come up with programs that allow judges to modify someone sentenced to allow them to vote. Even if money is still out when the programs I lost, there was a lot of promise that they could help people registered to vote. Democratic. State Senator Jason Pizzo helped create one of these programs in Miami Dade. County a year ago and he says the biggest problem with the program is that so few people have used it less than one hundred people out of their cases modified in the largest county in Florida in the third largest country pizzo says there's more pro Bono attorneys that have offered to help with cases. Then people who have called for help is it apathy or is it beating down people and basically Nagin and feel so disheartened and disenchanted with system like I give up Give up I don't WANNA gauge. I don't a fun to help would be voters was created last year and has raised million so far. But even those charitable contributions are facing pushback from the state after billionaire Michael Bloomberg announced he would help donate nearly twenty million dollars for the effort. Florida's Attorney General Ashley. Moody. Asked the FBI in State police to investigate and the letter she cited laws against election bribery. Not See this as a bit of voter intimidation. Then you link is an attorney with the campaign legal center. She represented plaintiffs in the Federal Court case, and she says, Florida's trying to scare people away from accepting help for paying off their fines and fees. Air is no criminal investigation to be had here. The law is about paying people to vote or paying people. In order to induce them to vote instead the generosity of fellow citizens is allowing individuals to become eligible to vote Most of us don't have to pay to become eligible to vote unfortunately these folks do, but he riddle was a plaintiff in the federal lawsuit, and now she's scrambling to come up with the money she needs to be able to vote in November government. Fustrates me I mean unbelievable what these people will go through to stop me from voting. I mean you you want. We gotta Pay Riddell says despite all the legal rulings she's going to keep trying to get her voting rights back even if it takes until the next presidential election. For NPR news I'm Danny Rivero Miami.

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Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:01 min | 5 months ago

Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law.

"Coming up on five minute news. Arkansas governor signs near toe the boertien ban into law quarter of women and girls have been abused by a partner says w. h. o. And us urged to cut fifty percent of emissions by twenty thirty. It's wednesday march ten. I'm anthony davis arkansas governor. Asa hutchinson on tuesday signed into law legislation banning all abortions in the state a sweeping measure that supporters hope will force the us supreme court to revisit its landmark roe v wade decision but opponents vowed to block before it takes effect later this year. The republican governor had expressed reservations about the bill which only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated in an active rape or incest. Arkansas is one of at least fourteen states. Swear legislators have proposed outright abortion bans this year hutchison said he was signing the bill because of its overwhelming legislative support and my sincere and long-held pro-life convictions. The bands were pushed by republicans. Who want to force the. Us supreme court to revisit. Its nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy three roe. V wade decision legalizing abortion nationwide conservatives believed the court is more open to striking down the decision following former president. Donald trump's three appointments to the court must abolish abortion in this nation just as we abolished slavery in the nineteenth century. All lives matter republican senator jason reports. The bill's sponsor said in a statement. The legislation won't take effect until ninety days off to the majority republican legislature adjourns. This year's session abortion rights supporters. Say they plan to challenge the banning court before then. The american civil liberties union of arkansas called the ban cruel and unconstitutional. One in four women and girls around the world have been physically or sexually assaulted by a husband. All-male partner according to the largest study yet on the prevalence of violence against women the report conducted by the world health organization and un partners found that domestic violence started young with a quarter of fifteen to nineteen year. Old girls. young women estimated to have been abused at least once in their lives. The highest rates were found to be among thirty to thirty nine year olds when figures for non partner violence or included the who estimates that about a third of women aged fifteen or older between seven hundred and thirty six million and eight hundred fifty. Two million will experience some form of sexual or physical violence in their lifetime last year. The un predicted at least fifteen million extra cases of domestic violence around the world as a result of corona virus restrictions. The who report focused on physical and sexual violence but noted that actual rates would be far higher if other types of abuse were included such as online violence and sexual harassment levels of violence were higher in low and middle income countries. South asia and sub saharan africa had some of the highest rates of intimate partner. Violence among women and girls aged fifteen to forty nine. The lowest rates of violence were found in southern and eastern europe and central and eastern asian. The us needs to commit to slashing its planet heating emissions by at least half by the end of the decade to address the climate crisis and spur other countries to greater action. A coalition of american environmental groups has earned. Joe biden's administration is set to unveil a new national emissions reduction target at a climate meeting is convened with other major economic powers on earth. Day the twenty second of april which it hopes will galvanize countries that currently dangerously lagging in efforts to stave off disastrous climate change a motley selection of environmental groups and leaders have said the us goal must be no lower than a fifty percent cut in its greenhouse gas emissions by twenty thirty based on two thousand five levels. This will groups argue. Put america on track to meet biden's aspiration of net zero emissions by twenty fifty as well as provide a major push to countries and businesses that will bereft of american climate leadership during donald trump's presidency the international credibility of the world's second largest combine polluter was severely damaged during the trump administration when the us pulled out of the paris climate agreement and dismantled various rules aimed to reduce emissions. You can subscribe to five minute news on youtube with your preferred podcast app. Ask your smart speaker or enable five minute news at amazon. Alexa flash briefing. Skin subscribe rates and review online. Five minutes dot news five. Minute news is an evergreen podcast covering politics inequality health and climate delivering independent unbiased and essential world news daily.

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Hail Satan (the documentary): with Lucien Greaves

The Thinking Atheist

57:29 min | 2 years ago

Hail Satan (the documentary): with Lucien Greaves

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I think that if we're being sued by the Cannock temple. We got to be doing something, right? We're right here, Missouri. This lawsuit by the temple on behalf of one of its members is like the hobby lobby case the evangelical Christian owners of hobby lobby craft stores challenged ObamaCare that requires four profit companies to provide comprehensive birth control coverage saying it violated their religious beliefs giving the court's ruling in favor of hobby. Lobby's Tannock tumble has some sincerely held religious beliefs of its own. The safeness believed that the body is inviolable subject to one's own will alone. And they say they strive to make all decisions regarding personal health based on the best scientific understanding of the world. It's brilliant, right? Because one of the things the supreme court said in its hobby lobby decision is we can't question people's religious beliefs. Very cold cold day in the pits hill before you'll ever see a statue from the satanic temple or some other group black bed at the Arkansas cavern. Oh, yeah. This new film about the devil. Well, actually about the Tanic temple called hail. Satan is already getting glowing reviews. Just a few. The Hollywood reporter says hail Satan is wickedly funny fascinating. And nifty Lee made this crowd-pleaser will rain at festivals. And prove yet again that the devil always has the best tunes. The review from variety said that penny lane, the director sets out to subvert American history with intelligence and wit here. She asks us to question, why certain religions are deemed normal, even though notes one temple member Catholic mass is all about the symbolic drinking of blood. Fred topel at we live entertainment said they're admitted trolling of evangelical Christians became an important protests to protect freedom of religion and separation of church and state. Now, they're doing the Lord's work as it were still with the showmanship of brilliant satirists and indie wire has this blurb from David Erlich, it says provocative hilarious and latently enraging documentary about the Tanic temple. Of course, we talked about the Tannen temple before. And I are profiled Lucien Greaves before they are a non theistic religion. They don't believe in a literal heaven or hell or God or Satan, Satan is an icon which represents rebellion against tyranny. And they use religious symbolism without believing in the supernatural Lucien Greaves is co-founder of the Tanic temple is featured heavily in the documentary film. And he joins me for today's show. Lucien good to have you back man scraped to be back before we talk about the movie. Can we talk about the Tanic temple? I mean, do you guys attract a certain personality type? Or kind of a common background. I mean, do you see commonalities in people who are attracted to the tactic temple? There's commonalities and people who are tracked of the satanism in general, even different brands of Satan as people are attracted to Afia stick sex, which are much smaller much less prevalent than not the aesthetic satanic practice, but just the kind of rejection of arbitrary authority is the kind of main underlying common denominator for people who identify with satanism is in that that does lead to different certain character type since kind of psychological co morbidity that you might not anticipate in some some of those. I'm not even sure where they come from. But I think from my experience being where I am here. I see there's a there's there's a lot of animal lovers amongst us. And that really seems to be a common common thread. No, that's on her body know, we heard you guys, you know, cutting off their heads and drinking the blood rate. Exactly. But I think think on common thing, you'll see a lot of lot of Satan is's that they're not they're not necessarily used to organizing groups can be very impassioned about social issues, but not necessarily the most amenable to team playing, you know. So it can be can be difficult trying to get everybody. Together, we see that in many eighth east circles, you know, they're like at you ain't gonna hurt this cat. I left one flock. I'm not gonna join another. You know, I'm an independent spirit. Right. Right. And there's a lot to be said for that too. But it was also a lot to be said for the idea that if we don't hang together, we'll hang separately. Especially now, we're talking about this documentary that was produced by magnolia pictures. And it's a big fish. And it's called hail Satan. It just released is it sort of. Playing in theaters around the country, or is it valuable now on like, I tunes Amazon. They're announcing more theaters all the time. If you go to hail Satan, film dot com and go to its little get tickets spot on the menu. You know, tell you where theater near you is that we'll be showing it or the closest one near you. But it's as I said it's being updated all the time in it's doing really really well at the premier's that it's doing now for in film festivals originally premiered at Sundance in Utah. I was there, and it was it was very popular there too. It's being very well received. I remember when when any what the evangelists will call sacrilegious film comes out, there's the predictable protests does your radar start to go off, you think in they're gonna come out and and start pounding the pulpits right there in front of the theaters or what I imagine that's coming at some point. But it hasn't. I haven't heard anything of. Type yet. In fact, this has been the least controversial thing we've done I wouldn't to Sundance, and I was talking to people were in the film industry or worked with celebrities in high profile films in vents in that type of thing. And they were asking if I was ready for this kind of exposure, if I was ready for this kind of controversy in that type of thing. And I thought it displayed a little bit of a lack of knowledge on their part of what I've been doing for the past six years as it is. There hasn't been a thing we've done where there hasn't been a lot of protests in a lot of backlash and we've gotten none of that for this so far, but I imagine once it is more mainstream released because now it is going around at the film festivals. And there has been a little bit of stirrings of his staff. Evangelical camps commenting on the number of good reviews, we've gotten but once it's widely available in it ends up on. The streaming sites. I'm sure are critics will will watch it with an eye towards decrying every element of it. I was struck by the documentary. I just felt like the no I was given a preview copy of it expecting a hit job. Instead, they really were fair. I mean, you tell me, you know, you're over there at the point position when you saw the finished product. What was your reaction? Yeah. I I was I was happy. I mean, it shows a someone pleasant things that happen, but they were showed accurately in a way that I can't complain that if people see that, and they think less of me or the organization while nothing to do with it. I can't complain. Then maybe we're not Freeview. You know, all I can ask us at this stuff is presented fairly inaccurately. And I felt that it was, but it was really a really stressful to work with a documentary crew for some three years and have no idea. Would narrative they really intended put together because I have no say in how that material is all edited together. I couldn't stop them from going and doing certain interviews or anything like that. I had no say in it. But I did work with them. And keep them informed of things that were going on kept them up to date on things that might be interesting to them had them following around quite often. But to the very end like I said, I I didn't know what they were putting together. So when I finally watched a stream or copy with the producer in the director in New York, even after the last credits had rolled I asked. So is this the the final cut? Yeah. And it was but I had a similar sense of panic win CNN did a forty five minute. He's about us on Lisa Ling's show and just about an hour before it aired. I was panic stricken thinking what what have I done? Why did I agree to this? There's no way CNN is going to agree to give us a fair shake in. They did I mean to their credit they accurately represented us as well did the filmmakers contact you? I mean, how this whole ball get rolling in the first place. Quote, penny lane has done documentaries already. And I saw her documentaries after she reached out to me, and she reached out to me because I was in another documentary called sympathy for the devil which was about Colt from the sixties and seventies at until a lot of research into in. I was introducing this film one time at a showing, and I just talked about some of the. Philosophical basis for the satanic. Temples beliefs said, it was kind of a springboard for me to talk a little bit about this attack temple in how some of the things we were doing. We're kind of informed by previous religious movements. Either informed in a positive or negative way. You know, as as an example to emulate or an example to stay away from in this gave her the understanding than that. She had had before that there is something more to the Santana temple than what she was seeing in the press. She was already aware of us because she was seeing what she thought was prankster ISM in the press. But then got this idea that there was something much deeper going on in that we going to have a longer lasting presence. If there was really this kind of Ernest identification with it. So she started reading more about it and became interested in the idea of putting together a film, but she definitely caught me at a point where I felt somewhat certain that we would never agree to have a documentary done about us. And I think that's something a lot. People don't realize about the Tannen Campbell. There's this kind of notion that we are were media awards. You know, that we seek out attention that the name of the game is is having all these articles written about us in having as much exposure to the media's we can the fact of the matter is is when new chapters are on boarded in in the you know, in our long standing kind of tradition in handling media. We are very careful to make sure that the media serves some kind of purpose other than just kind of aggrandizement or were raising consciousness or just kind of building a sense of celebrity or anything like that. We really try to make it focus on the issues and make sure that people understand where we're coming from not just that we're here and have an image in a website, and that kind of thing so we actively seek out media when we're promoting campaigns, which we need kind of support on public support generate inch. Trysts in let people know that these things are happening. So we've been invited on a lot of talk shows that we've turned down we've been approached by networks even to put together either series or mini documentary compositions, or whatever you call those kinds of projects in we turn those down in documentary requests came in all the time people always wanted to do documentaries about us. There's a guy in the documentary. And I can't remember his name. He's shown in silhouette, and he talks about how once you know, how the media is set up it becomes incredibly easy to manipulate. And this may not be your take on it as well. But when you do things like the Tannock sock drive and men straight with Satan. You've got the adopt the highway in Arizona. You guys are using pitchforks to pick up litter on the side of what I mean that stuff just made for media attention, right? I mean means that the design or is it something else? Oh, no that that is definitely something that gets media attention, and we want sip. Bring media attention to. But I don't I don't see that as manipulating media. I mean, there is nothing is nothing dissed on a stir. There is not a real story that's being covered up by those kinds of stories going on. There were really kind of strict on how we vet our media, which may or may not be apparent. But if people knew how much we've turned down, I think they would be amazed ultimately vindicated on that because we could have done a million documentaries before this one in a really think we went with the the best documentarian today with with penny lane. I really love her work. The great shot of you guys painting, the satanic temple headquarters in Salem. And it's just this Matt black this black house. What are the neighbors saying about you when you guys were decorating your own pad? Oh, it's funny. I was I just did a premier for hail Satan. Not in Salem. Or at the Salem film fest just last night in there were a lot of locals air. We never we've never had problems with the local in Salem. And I was telling them about how when we first got the property here. I was really anxious about publicly announcing we were there because we are doing a lot of renovations getting our zoning in place before we let people even know that we were satanic temple. And this took a long time. There was a lot of kind of contract that need to be done in. I had taken to preemptively hating Salem because I was sure that given some of the other events we had done in the way, I hadn't expected a backlash against us in. Instead, we got protests death threats and everything else. I just felt certain that as soon as we announced our presence in Salem and had a physical property. We would get nothing, but vandalism assaults. You know, the neighbors would come out with pitchforks. Torches in nothing. Like that happened when we announced that we were there. Some of the Boston media was looking for scandal. They were walking around the neighborhood asking people their opinions, obviously, hoping somebody was going to be really pissed off everybody just kinda shrug their shoulders that well, this is Salem. They went to the local coffee shop just down the street from us. And they said, well, you know, they're opening a gallery in their headquarters. What do you think of that in the owner said, well, I guess it depends? What aren't they have, you know, and that was that was pretty much the response, the the majority religious identification, though, I'm told in Salem area is unitarian. Whereas Boston, it's Catholic. You know, Boston. We didn't event there people taking to the streets. And now, Salem, it's just it's just part of the local ambiance with that the protests featured in the film, the satanic mass that you guys were going to attempt and then the Boston Catholics came out in mass. Just absolutely losing their shit. Was that the footage? I was saying. Yeah. Yeah. That that was it. And that was that was one of those okay? Asians, where I hadn't anticipated that amount of backlash enor- was I at all happy about it. That was another thing. Where afterwards we had all this kind of criticism. Like that we that we had done this just for that. Attention just for that backlash in the fact of the matter was we were really intensely fighting the Oklahoma campaign that you know, we're trying to get back from at put up next at ten commandments monument in Oklahoma in I was really trying to get people to understand why that issue was important in. We were at the time. I think still trying to crowd fund money money to make our bathroom at monument. So I really wanted people's attention there. So I was actually irritated that to this. This little event we were going to do at Harvard at gotten so much. Attention was overshadowing the other things we were doing the film hail seat and actually shows. The construction of the bathroom at statue. And it's awesome. I mean, it was really something amazing to see the pieces come together to see the decisions made in the design. And then you guys wanted to bring it to Arkansas, there's sort of I don't know if it's the centerpiece of the film, but it's you in state Senator Jason Raper over in Arkansas who's just talking out of both sides of his mouth, right? One side. He's talking about how it's about this historical moral thing for the United States the ten commandments. And then he steps into a church behind the pulpit, and he starts talking about how the United States belongs to his particular pet religion. It's pathetic. Oh, yeah. And if you go to my Facebook page now one of my recent posts is rape or standing in front of a ten commandments monument. The exact same type is his, you know, the same kind of slab grant same design in any case somewhere else in Arkansas, and he's talking. About this as being evidence of efforts to bring the gospel into the public square, and he's proud of all the Christian individuals, or whatever it needs is very clear. Oh, he calls it a tangible evidence of God's work or something that the ten commandments monument in yet at the same time. He's trying to make the legal argument in court against us. Now that it's an Amish to heritage in history the ten commandments monument. It's entirely secular and asked to do with American history. You know, apparently, according to him the constitution was based off of the ten commandments. And we all know that that's not at all accurate in any any way whatsoever. And I as I said in the film, you can hear me talking to our attorney in that case stew over the phone. I said to him then I said, I'm hard pressed to think way, we can lose this case. And I still feel that way I still feel you know, even if the judge. Were to be sympathetic to the evangelical theocrat, which she's not a judge would still have a difficult time. Justifying a decision in favor of this standalone ten commandments monument in upholding the discrimination against ours. There's just no, no solid legal precedent for it. There is a real short segment from the documentary. I'm just gonna play the audio of it here. It is one of the best. If not the best encapsulation of how the whole in. God we trust and under God on the pledge. And all that stuff is totally bogus. When it comes to the intend to the founders of the United States. If you look at the nineteen fifties. You can see a lot of the trappings that Americans point today as proof that their nation is a Christian nation. We're invented. See the nineteen fifties. The origins of what we might term even joke lobby g demanded repentance, Billy Graham tells Americans and the communism is directed by Satan week back we could get along without we thought we could get along without on barrels fended, we thought we could get along without the ten commandments than the streaming owned amount. And beginning to wake up to the fact that it became. Jesus said accent? He shall likewise guaranteed rate. Countries just learned the Soviet Union as the atomic bomb, and he warns them that Armageddon is coming unless the nation rediscovers is really just roots. It'll be destroyed. As America went to war with the godless communist of the Soviet Union Americans discovered. God themselves. Until this is a remarkable moment when the nation really start to think of itself as Christian and just the span of a few years under God is that into the pledge of allegiance and God, we trust is placed on paper currency and becomes the nation's motto for most Americans these ceremonies would slogans mattered more than anything that was literally written in the constitution. Because of the things they said day in and day out their kids said the pledge they saw it on their money. It was all over the world. It really becomes an integral part of who Americans. Think they are. It was talking to Andrew Seidel up at the freedom from religion foundation. And he was talking about how we're watching the FIA Kratz attempt to remove all religious implications from all of the religious symbols right in God. We trust on the money is actually not a religious thing under God. In the pledge is not a religious thing and the ten commandments on the capitol grounds. It's not a religious thing. I mean there obvi-. Disley maneuvering. So now there's a scene in the documentary where you're petitioning, I guessed or submitting proposing the bath Mets statue. And there's a there's a woman in the shot. She's wearing a zebra patterned blouse, and she looks like she just wants to kill you with fire. I don't know how else to put it. She's just looks like she's terrified of you. Yeah. That was a subcommittee hearing at the capitol arts and grounds commission, and I'm proposing Baff met in the thing was is that commission was there only to judge whether or not our architectural designs fit within the parameters that that they had set for putting a monument on the grounds in did, of course. And they therefore they couldn't reject it. They they aren't allowed to engage in few point discrimination in the new that so that probably horrified them more than anything. But when I was there, I just had my piece to speak, and I did in it didn't strike me as as hilarious until I see it in the context of this documentary because then I'm starting to get some sense of what this must've looked like to the people there in Arkansas on the subcommittee to have me standing there. With that. I must say I came off with a real air of confidence. And I am delivery fair and you were up front, right? You said look if you'll pull the ten commandments then we withdraw the bath met that was the deal. Right. Like, it's all or nothing. But if you'll pull the ten commandments than we have no reason to insist the bathroom at statue be erected. Is that a fair way to say it? Yeah, that's absolutely fair. And it's also consistent with the symbolism and cause of baffled met, you know, you see Baff met. It's part human part goat as the, you know, points points down all these kinds of binary elements to symbolize the reconciliation of opposites in that idea, of course, clearly in diversity and part of that whole display in our minds on a public grounds insists upon there being a nother re religious viewpoint represented to us. It would be kind of. A kind of blasphemy against our own imagery. If we had that as a standalone monument on the public grounds, we were saying it really kind of symbolizes, I Memon values religious, liberty, freedom of speech, and expression. And that was a real hard one for them to argue as you can see, you know, you see me kind of put out these concepts in it just causes a a moment of silence because they're used to using that terminology on their own. You know, they're used to claiming to be the upholders of religious liberty when they're trying to get religious expression on the public rounds. They always put forward the notion that religious freedom is for everybody. But they're never expecting us to be there. They're never expecting another religious voice to say that they want their piece to the ground two got into film. Many of them just looked clueless. Like, they had never considered they were in a position of Christian privilege that another God or religious extra. Cise might show up to the party and expect fair treatment. They just looked stunned. Many of them do oh in their appalled by the concept that the government can't engage in viewpoint neutrality half the time. I feel like we're presenting a new idea to even public officials in these should be the most basic things they're aware of when they're in public office at all. And that's what got me an extreme state of disgust with speaking of hysteria in Arkansas, there's just so much the cameras didn't get in. I hope they got some of it. For added features back in a bonus features on DVD release or something. But when I was there crashing rape Birt's press conference for the second erection of the ten commandments monument after the first one had gotten it by car by a crazed Christian who is trying to support the separation of church and state oddly enough, he was really throwing a fit in trying to get. Police from Mississippi to come over the border arrest me in Arkansas while I was there for the pink mass, which we had done in counter protests in Mississippi against the westboro Baptist church, which I you know, presumably had some warrant out for my rest for Mississippi. But rapert was was melting down throwing all kinds of temper tantrums that day I feel like he was a more than fairly represented even though even pay them. And think hysterical. Good word. I really do. I think I got to come back to Mississippi. Is there really a warrant out for you? I don't think so anymore. I think they were pursuing it at the time. But I think Raper found out that they didn't have anything active for me. They talk about it in the film, and it was a provocative act. You're like the guy said, how'd you fuck with Fred Phelps, the founder westboro and go way you fuck with his mom? I grew up in New York, satanic temple made the truth to Morty into protests, the west for about this church. They performed a ritual. They call pink NASA on the Braves Kathryn Johnston. The mother of whisper founder Fred Phelps, gene, you're the ceremony involved to same sex couples kissing over her grave, they declared Katherine Johnson a lesbian in the afterlife. Those just a homoerotic ceremony over his mother's grave in than I topped it off by respectfully resting my testicles on the stone in that we call it. Then we call today in in. Filling out a statement. The law enforcement and the court systems they're trying to figure out exactly what would you be charged with exactly what nature favorite favorite part of that whole thing was the news clip of the sheriff saying, it's a strange crime one. We haven't come across on. Oh, that's that's classic. Let's talk a little bit about the culture talking here with Lucien Greaves of the Tannock temple. There is a little bit of a rift. You addressed it in a general way near the beginning of our conversation as you see Jax who was sort of running the Detroit chapter and she held, and I think she continues to hold the idea that you can't work within a broken system to initiate positive change or to further positive change. And I think she just kind of has a a hope I'm not unfairly representing, but I just caught a burn it all down kind of vibe, whereas the panic temple as a whole is really more about working within the letter of the law within the system to try to establish and reinforce church-state separation or at least remind people church-state separation and enjoy individual private, religious expression. Yeah. And you're not radically paraphrasing. Anything she uses that terminology. On our side. You know, our attorney uses the terminology used to represent our position as well. Okay. And I'm sympathetic to the notion that if laws are completely unfair unjust, maybe then you work outside of the law to rectify that. But the fact of the matter is with a lot of what we're doing right now, the law ostensibly is on our side, even if courts aren't recognizing that properly or or politicians are trying to rewrite these laws or ignore the foundational basis of our constitutional Republic. A sense we've laws are on our side, and we will force them to confront that before we take on any other kind of tactical maneuvers so working within the system isn't this kind of spineless centrist idea that is just trying to maintain the status quo. I mean, we really do have good laws. We really did have a constitution that accounted for. Locking theocracies from happening and respecting the equality of of all people since the adoption of the fourteenth amendment in. So there's there's no reason for us right now to go off in take on radically new legal tactics in that's never been what we've been about in. That's not what we're doing. And she, you know, had this kind of public facing event where she said, we knows which we she's talking about this case are going to kidnap politicians poison people or you know, ultimately, she said execute the president. And that's just not something. That's not something where we're comfortable being associated with in. Well, it didn't affect to the tenant to the tanning temple your core values. Right. No. Yeah. I mean to give some background that you don't really see in the film on that. She had kind of fallen out of contact with us for for some time in she had nothing to do with the creation of the national council on the kind of structures. We had to put in place when we started growing exponentially in at the point where you have people identifying with you and your organization at all you do have to be clear about what you stand for. And what you don't stand for. And you have to be clear about that with your chapters and other people representing you because it has ramifications upon all of them if you go off in some new direction or if you do something illegal. It's not fair to the people who identify with us. So people work with us to allow somebody to unilaterally have us tagged as a tear. Tourist organization or something of that type. So I don't think it's overly autocratic of us or against our values to have some kind of set of standards that prevent that kind of thing from happening to all our membership in the name of somebody else's whatever drives them to make those kinds of public statements. You know, whatever they wanna do whatever kind of attention. They wanna get. That's just not something for them to do at the expense of the entire organization. So she said she was doing that event. Independently of the problem was, you know, a public facing event like that when you're doing something that's going to be attached to the tank, top one way or the other. We we need to know about that. You know, that's that's the function. Our national council hats are chapters. Just reach out may say we're going to do this. This is our public facing message. This is the event were doing, and we just make sure that all the legal liabilities have been covered. In people understand what the issues are what? I mean, we do though. Those kinds of logistical works where we figure out what kind of permits say might need, you know, if it is legal issues, they hadn't thought of safety issues, whatever. But also just at the messages is in line with what the attack temple is about. And we try to give chapters of the maximum autonomy. Right. We we we just don't want it harming the arrest of the organization so kind of the burden is on national council to establish a why not than for the chapters to establish why? But if you're going to publicly announce we're going to execute the president is going to be an ams Lutely, no what you know. You just don't do that kind of thing in. So she didn't tell any of us that she was doing this event. However, she called the documentary crew in told them to come cover it. So there was no way to separate that from us in we had to we had to part ways with her. And I mean, there are some people who see the film, and they're still on her side about this. And they think it was in the wrong. Call for us to say. That that's that's the wrong thing to do in. And I think that's fine too. Like if people want to go that route go ahead in like go with her find her she's she's still she's still round. I'm sure she's still doing things. But that's not who we are. We're not going to be doing those kinds of things. So we we don't we don't need you in the film hail Satan, actually takes cameras in and shows this this a good portion of this particular ceremony in question. And some of the things said from the stage, I founded an interesting sort of a case study in tactics because we see now as an atheist activist time, we'll see it. Some people say you, you know, go out civilly, and you work within the system abiding by the letter of the law to instigate positive change. And then there's another group over here that says why would you try to work within a broken system burn it all down, and it's a lot more extreme. And you're seeing this sort of divergence of attitudes and tactics when it comes to trying to get results out there. So I just found it interesting to see sort of shade of that even in the static. Temple. Yeah. The ten example is a microcosm for Alana, the broader movements. We see then it's even kind of microcosm of the American experiment. When I talk about, you know, trying to give chapters their maximum atonomy versus trying to have some kind of hold over. What are overall messages in our it's impacted by any of the activities of and individual chapter. That's very similar to the Bates. We always have about federal jurisdiction versus state rights in the fact that there's debate about that isn't necessarily a sign that the system's broken not working. They were always going to be debating those things. And I think that's a sign of a functioning an open system. You know, we should always kind of be questioning what the limits are what the rights are. It's it's a constant dialogue. It will keep evolving as well. So as you grow are you seeing I mean, I hate to use the word the corporatization of the Tanic temple. I mean, you win from sort of this this Genesis. But now you become so big so many chapters so many branches on the tree. Are you seeing people wonder if you're becoming sort of a commercialized sell out of what you want stood for? I mean, this is quite often. What happens when something becomes mainstream even an indie rock band? That's known by a few thousand has a hit record and the core fans feel betrayed in some way. So I'm speaking, I guess to the culture thoughts on all that. Yeah. That's something. I've been aware of from the very beginning, you know, trying to balance these things, but it's also interesting to see, you know, from the inside and being in the center of the storm seeing something grow like this and kind of learning where the limits are on autonomy of of little of chapters some chapters and things like that. And where you really need to kind of keep old what kind of the Adriatic, you can expect from people in some of that has been really disappointing for me and some of that has been really heartening in. I think it kind of shows. What is necessary when it comes to kind of homogenization or making your organization rule bound in what's arbitrary. You know, I mean that idea of arbitrary thority we have to remember arbitrary is a real key word there. You know, some forms of authority are justified and necessary others are just the exercise of a power for its own sake. In we never wanna cross that line. But it's all about protecting the organization as a whole in making sure that nobody else's rights are violated by anybody else in our organization due to them unilaterally doing anything in our name. And I think that that's what the core of the problem was she was acting unilaterally making those kinds of statements in the ad as I said ramifications for the rest of the membership in that, it's not just para. Roya on my part. Our attorney in Arizona. Stew stew Han. Who's also in the film. He went to a seminar by the alliance defending freedom one time because I guess they're based in Scottsdale in the alliance defending freedom for those who don't know is one of those kinds of well-financed theocratic, litigation groups who, you know, probably does anti-abortion stuff, but they do a lot of litigation to try to bring religion into the public square. You know, they're the kinds of people will write briefs in favor of having a ten commandments monument on the public rounds in Stu into one of their seminars. Just to see what they talking about. And he was amazed shocked in in in excited. I guess to see that they the one he went to they were talking all about us. They were talking about the seatac temple. And they were really lamenting that the Tanic temple had taken such advantage as they saw. Aw of their work. You know, they have worked hard to get religion into the public square building. These arguments about how you know, the public squares opened private donation so any Christian, can you know, to ban Christian for putting up a Christian monument is just religious discrimination. You know, always making the argument that this is open to anybody. But never expecting anybody to come there. And now they're wondering what do we do now that we can count on the seatac temple coming in? So they're upset about us on the one hand you laugh or we would laugh and say that this is a sign of our success. And we Pat ourselves on the back on the other hand that's scary. Because you know, people from the AD ah for associated with the idea from with liberty counsel. They're talking to Donald Trump. They're talking to people talk to Donald Trump. They have direct lines to the executive branch of the government right now in if they're afraid of us if they're trying to bring us down in some way. That's something to really be aware of in. If we have somebody running around publicly saying they're gonna kill the president. Well, it's not too far off the Mark. I don't think is not too far into the realm of paranoia to think we might have to deal with the potential for FBI agents, kicking down doors or other such things that nobody wants to deal with in. You really do have to have real vigilant. So making sure those things don't happen. So we're not imposing authority just to kinda do anything other than protect our membership from that kind of erratic in unreasonable behaviour. Hang on. When I come back. I'm going to talk to Lucien Greaves about not just the pushback he's getting from the extreme. Right. But some of the accusations he's been fielding from the extreme left. Also, I want to get into this whole religion thing. Like, what do you think about that? I mean do human beings need religion. What are the benefits of a non the'stick, satanic religion? We're going to get into that and more right after this hang on. This is firefighters Rafael poor yet for firehouse subs. Introducing new firehouse payers pair, your favorite small sub with a signature side, like the awesome, five cheese, MAC and cheese. And remember a portion of every purchase at firehouse subs goes towards helping first responders firehouse subs. Enjoy more subs. Save more lives. Participating locations only. Firehouse of donate. A minimum of one million dollars in two thousand nineteen to the firehouse subs public safety foundation by donating point one one percent of every purchase. This is firefighter Raphael. Poor yet for firehouse subs. Introducing new firehouse payers pair, your favorite small sub with a signature side, like the awesome, five cheese, MAC and cheese. 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I mean, not only now do we have like the right wing that, you know, the far right conspiracy theorists who are saying that we're we really are sick pricing. Infants and all that kind of thing. But we also have no shortage of dip shits now claiming that we're secretly Nazis. Well, of course, I mean, you know, you swear, I think of you sometimes because like I see you've gotten that in. I see just some of the other people who have gotten at in. Where really started for us was we had in offer from a lawyer to represent as pro Bono. When we wanted to sue Twitter for religious discrimination because somebody tweeted out a threat of our sin against our headquarters, or at least tweeted out, something encouraging somebody to go burn down, our our temple in Salem. And I reported the Twee in Twitter came back and said, this doesn't violate our terms of service. And I thought well it does obviously somebody wasn't looking at this. So I re tweeted that tweet which had gotten quite a bit of attention because former child actor Corey Feldman at re tweeted it in tweets him and asked him why done that and then he just blocked me. He tweeted this. Lean in encouraged my followers to also report the tweet because I figured whoever looked at this Twitter. It made a mistake for other people reported it it would it would come down in. So what happened was Twitter instead suspended my account for targeted harassment's against his woman who had sent out that original tweet the idea being that, you know, I guess I had gotten all my followers to. Rating her. Yeah, report this tweets, so it was targeted rasmin in they even took it. Another step Twitter. Did they suspended the panic temple primary account for its association with me? So then they started getting some press in Twitter, reversed course, in in in gave the accounts back, but they also have ignored every death threat against us in actually, I I can't say necessarily every death row. I know Facebook is ignored every single death threat against this one hundred percent. They will not see a death threat against us as violating the terms of service. But with Twitter that we can't get them. We could never get them to verify us. We we just felt that there was a real pattern of discriminatory behavior. But it wasn't something we would necessarily go after without a pro Bono lawyer, this lawyer perches us he turns out to be this high profile expensive lawyer out of Vegas worked with porn. I think in. Other things like that. But supposed to be, you know, top of the line as far as this goes in wanted to represent us against Twitter's is law firm, did actually it's not even indirectly. We're working with some other guy in his law firm. But so we accepted that. And then I started getting messages from people saying, hey, you know, he's also represented some outright characters or whatever in said. Well, no, I I didn't know that. And I don't I don't care. I don't know how he's voted. I don't really know anything, you know, I don't know about him personally. But he's not, you know, he's not speaking as a Representative the seatac temple lease season attorney. I I guess I just think of attorneys differently than these people, you know, their tools within the system. Incidentally, this lawyer claims to be, you know, left to the point of communist is is how he contextualized himself. He claims he also represents these far left organizations as well in that, he's just dedicated to free speech. So it became this kind of question of of whether we wanted to be seen having this kind of association, and you know, again, I couldn't understand who would hold that association against us or or why we should change anything of what we're doing. Or why we should not take action. Just because somebody doesn't know what a lawyer is good for is going to insist that you know, we bought into the political views of a lawyer now, but you know, it just causes us this uproar eventually in end really just metastasized into this conspiracy theory that we're this gateway into alright or not's he thinking in that what we're doing is just a cover, you know, we're just using the good name of satanism to draw in Ellen. It's a great way to put it. Well, I mean, you had many non whites in the documentary who would be I think shocked and amazed to know that they were part of a Nazi organization. So we always kind of felt that we were going to that are kind of philosophy on proselytizing was going to come to a head on the issue of diversity because there's been several times since the inception of the panic temple where you know, satanism is usually been like the white kids game, you know, it's until the satanic temple on. It's funny because of the Cup we're talking about diversity in satanism. Now where you know, it was never talked about before in. You know, there's some people saying that it's not diverse enough. But there was this kind of idea that we should do outreach to minority communities in that conflicts directly with our kind of prohibition on proselytizing. We we, you know, you walk a fine line between letting people know who you. You are and clarifying misconceptions in not proselytizing telling people. Hey, this is right for you. And I'm very much against acting like a missionary in and I can see it being deeply offensive for a white guy like myself to go into some minority community saying like, hey, I have the satanism thing. And I think it's right for you people. I can see that being really really offensive really seen kind of a privileged position. But then if you don't do that in your viewed his not, you know, not having your your number's up enough in the in the realm of diversity will then you know, you have some kind of systemic problem. But I just think all we can do is be is inclusive as we possibly can we have no tests for that kind of thing. We appreciate our diversity. But we can't tell different people individually or as community said this is for them. It might not be this is a religion. It's not a it's not a university. It's not. Any of these other types of you know, it's not a workplace. This is something that people have to happen. Deep personal attachment to to identify with in. We can't make any assumptions on somebody's background is what somebody's cultural attachments are or anything else they they have to be able to come to this on their own. So you know, when we're talking about diversity numbers and things like that. All I can say is that certainly in the seatac temple. We stand by anybody who identifies with us doesn't matter where they came from you want your demographics to be represented organically. Right. And not not some gimmick. Yeah. And we've seen you know, when we started like, I said, traditionally, you know, the black clad white kids middle-class they gravitate to it right away. And then, you know, as time goes on people really realize what the temple was about. We we really have had a real growing diversity in the best kind. We're not going out asking people to join. We're not bringing people in. Just to increase our image of diversity or anything else. You know, everybody with us and people really identify with this and came to it on their own. And I think that something to be proud of you. And I spoke guess it's been about a year and a half. And he did a great to sit down interview linked to that YouTube interview in the description box that does a really good job of describing what the tantric temple is. And what your core tenets are. I was talking about this show a few weeks ago, and I caught myself because when I was talking about the satanic temple. I said your, quote, unquote, religion, and then I stopped them thought. Well, actually, I don't think I need the quotes because you're pretty upfront. That satanism is a religion. It's just one that is superstition free. And even though you reject the idea of a literal God or Satan, you still embrace the word religion, can you speak to that? Yeah. And I don't think it's historically a radical idea. You know at the beginning of the unitarian church. Kinda add this liberal theology. That talked more about seeing the bible as kind of generalize set of ethical principles in not. Maybe a little story may supernatural didn't need to be taken entirely wiggly. There's been a lot of Christian movement said of spoken to this. But other religions like Jane ISM manifestations Buddhism Confucianism. These are not the stick is. Well, it's it's not a it's not this idea that comes completely out of left field from out of nowhere. It's something that we're doing just for legal convenience. I'll argue to my dying day that satanism is every bit a religion in certainly for our community. It is in deserves to be recognized as such regardless of the fact that we don't venerate a personal Satan in view, this kind of metaphorically into me. It's kind of only logically consistent. That satanism be non-theistic. If you're doing this with some kind of thought towards rejection of arbitrary authority, what kind of thority is more arbitrary than one that's claiming some kind of supernatural cause or agency for anything has the ultimate in arbitrary authority is is claiming you have some kind of supernatural knowledge or consideration or power or or whatever. So that kind of skeptical rationalism, I think only makes sense, but all those other elements over lived in that sense of community that ethics that the kind of mythical framework for which you contextualize yourself in this kind of socio political sphere that you're in. We have all of that in even if you know, none of the rest of the world was going to agree to allow to call ourselves religion. We'd still be doing we're doing, and I guess there need to be a category for it. But when you see how people identify with this, and how many people I de. Defy this in the things that we're doing it becomes increasingly ludicrous to dismiss our claims to being a religious organization. I'm hoping the film goes a long way towards least explaining that to people if they get nothing else from it. The documentary film is called hail Satan it released to select theaters April the nineteen, and I'm sure it will soon be available via Amazon itunes at cetera. Glad to call you friend assure enjoy our conversations I look forward to seeing the out there on the road. And I hope they filmed draw some positive attention your way, my friend. I think the film is certainly entertaining. It's compelling and very well done and all my best with it. Okay. Thank you so much. Thinking on Facebook and Twitter for a complete archive of podcasts and videos products, like mugs and t shirts featuring the thinking atheist logo blinks to atheist pages in resources and details on upcoming free thought events and conventions. Log onto a website the thinking atheist dot com. It's the semi annual feel at mattress firm. For a limited time get huge savings of up to five hundred dollars. In. Our top rated mattresses. We have more than fifteen beds with over four star ratings on sale storewide like our fan favorites. Surya memory foam Queen mattress. Now, just three hundred ninety seven dollars you won't find this deal anywhere else. But hurry in this sale. 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March 10, 2021 - Full Show

Chicago Tonight

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March 10, 2021 - Full Show

"Good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. I'm peres shuts brandis. Friedman has the evening off on the show tonight. Gays are to twenty the nays are two eleven illinois state senators on what the massive federal cove relief bill will mean for illinois launch the next phase of the covert response and president biden is already looking ahead after the plan passes in congress will tackle that and more in spotlight politics could target becoming to the magnificent mile and would that be a good thing. The board approves a nearly two million dollar settlement for cyclists struck by a a bus in twenty nineteen. What exactly are nf. Tease or non fungible tokens. And how are they changing the art industry. It was absolutely insane. We check in with local bike shops and cycling groups on. What's ahead this season. After a record setting twenty twenty and a portrait a retired chicago public schoolteacher. Who now dedicates himself to the art of printmaking in the mexican tradition. But first some of today's top stories alleged kenosha shooter kyle. Rittenhouse trial has been pushed to november at the earliest the eighteen year old antioch resident had been scheduled to stand trial late this month. He's accused of killing two people and wounding a third amid a protest against police brutality in august at virtual hearing today both sides told the judge they needed more time to prepare state. Health officials announced more than sixteen hundred cases of covid nineteen today including thirty additional deaths. Illinois is now seen more than one point two million cases and twenty thousand eight hundred and ten total deaths and the announces. it is started onsite. Vaccinations for employees beginning with frontline workers like train and bus operators chicago. Police say a joint anti carjacking task force this past week and netted a dozen arrests superintendent. David brown says nearly half of the more than three hundred carjacking related arrests so far this year involve juveniles. We all need to help. Our young people make better choices and we need mental worth to show them the way a system of support is the best deterrent. And for those that do a fan. We need real consequences. Brown also announced a new release website dedicated to carjacking information and prevention. Got much more on this story on our website and now to amanda finicky and what congress cove relief package could mean for illinois perez president. Joe biden signature one point nine trillion dollar covert. Relief package is expected to bring roughly thirteen billion dollars in aid to illinois. The bill passed both chambers of congress without any republican support in this scheduled to be signed into law on friday among other things. The bill includes fourteen hundred dollar checks for individuals. Earning less than seventy five thousand dollars a year. But will it be enough to get past the pandemic what we'll do for the state and what of republican criticism that the bill is uploaded democratic wishlist us to share. Their thoughts are republican state. Senator jason berkman from bloomington democratic state. Senator ron villa volume from chicago. Democratic state senator christina cis from chicago and republican state senator donald dewitt from west dundee. We think all of you for being here with us right now and i believe some of you are still coming to us from springfield as the state senate back in session for today. Somerville avant did things begin to feel a little like they're returning to normal. It's to be with you. Thanks for having us. Obviously we have been working. Tirelessly our districts making sure that our constituents have been served over the last year during the pandemic had virtual committee hearings Much of last year and into this year However being in springfield nothing replaces Being in the capital. Making sure that we're having the conversations we need to have and moving. The bills needed move in order to get through. This pandemic have serious conversations to get to a balanced budget and move our state forward and senator what you did that saliva test to make sure that everybody was safe. Is that how things went. The shield test that was created at the university of illinois is the acid test if you will cover testing here at the capitol Staff members are required to test three times a week. Legislators once they test their tests is good for two days. Were out tomorrow. So our tests. Monday nights guys in the door and i think it's a great way to make sure everyone is functioning to safely as possible. Well glad to hear that you all tested. I would presume therefore at negative for a covid. You are healthy. Let's get to the american rescue plan. One point nine trillion dollars pulling does suggests that this is popular with republicans and democrats alike and yet all. Gop members of congress voted against the package. Sunder berkman was that a mistake will look i think washington had a debate on this gets over The question illinois is how those funds are going to be spent. And i think that third debate our states capital for me. I think the priorities of where those funds should go. We know illinois's going to receive a significant amount of money from the from the federal government. We'd like to see those runs prioritize. I towards towards our debts as second towards our bill backlog We think it's really important that those funds aren't used to simply expand our government. You know we've got a lot of families and small business owners or burden on those funds should be prioritized whether need should be used to just expand the government burden we that was going to be one of my questions. Coming up is what should illinois is set to receive about seven bill seven billion dollars. So let's go to centerville of. What are your thoughts on that house should illinois fold. This is your tasked with drafting the next budget. Well it's a great question. I do agree that we need to make meteorology gatien's whether it's our pension obligation or other dad's we need to get a hold of our bill of a backlog think those are the two priorities as it relates to our regular budget conversation. I think we also need to make sure that we aid the vaccine. Roll out aid testing eight and the other pieces of the puzzle. That are gonna get us through the end of this pandemic Just because we're We see the light at the end of the tunnel doesn't mean we're at the end of the tunnel. I would also say though that we need to look to the future. What are we going to do to invest in our economy here invest in our infrastructure to make sure that working class families and small businesses Can get back on their feet and move our move. Our state forward now senator. Visa that you want to add in terms of how illinois should spend those dollars. Please feel free to add that. But he did of course also want to focus on you because you have a background in early childhood. And i have seen the american rescue package described as transformative in bringing children out of poverty. What is your assessment. There was a real win because randy standing about forty billion dedicated to childcare specifically in about a little over one billion is coming to the state of illinois which is really critical. I mean because i think whether people recognize it or not childcare is in enabling starter for our society to function and that really aren't the brink of collapse without this particular investment the same with our schools. We really need to think about not only stabilizing our schools in preparing them for in person learning but also thinking about how are we going to reimagine education. And what are the investments. We're gonna make it. Take the lessons learned from this particular pandemic and apply them to how we are going to be preparing children moving forward to inherit the society in which we are preparing them to. So that is federally designated. Is there anything that you believe. Illinois needs to be doing is set to get this. Infusion of dollars senator petronas. I think we definitely need to think through the wrench in mortgage relief The last time we had appropriated fines Put together a program. We were able to get on quite a few getting out the door but there needs to be some very specific provisions on for various communities that did not they weren't able to access. It's difficult latino community while we looked at the numbers it wasn't quite in terms of parody with the population and also thinking about the historic housing burden. That families have Encumbered over the years his ear. Since illinois governor jay pritzker. I declared a statewide disaster declaration because of covid at the time to worry believe eleven cases in the state of the corona virus as of today the state department announced sixteen hundred eighty. Two new cases senator dewitt. What is your assessment of how the pritzker has handled things this past year. Well i think. Initially i applauded the aggressive nature that the governor took with regards to ensuring that people were taking the appropriate measures to keep themselves safe. The a directives about masking the directives of social distancing that certainly was that that preceded The business restrictions were put in place. Essential workers were established essential employers but there were segments of our economy that took a significant feeding our entertainment hospitality. Restaurant hotel industry. Over half a million people were put out a work simply because That directive was put out through executive order by the governor. I think the real challenge that we have ahead of us is. How quickly do we get those different industries and segments of our economy back up and running so that they can be productive. Revenue generated in components of bringing our state's economy back to some semblance of fiscal order. Illinois is in this phase for as the state dubs it restrictions for what we don't really know when that will be lifted sender berkman does illinois need to have any restrictions lifted. Now i'm i mean i. I think we need to start talking about quite phase by you. Know the governor's guidelines provide really big in arbitrary measures for high even get to save face five. He talks about testing being available and vaccines being available. Overseeing that all over the state on my colleagues here talked about making investments than you know in our schools with ours a small business owners and the people who struggled over the last year the best thing illinois can do is start to reopen its cottam. There's not one particular Schools start. What schools you know. There's many schools around the state that continue to try to navigate this through a remote learning bosses. That's not good for the for the school children. The cdc's been clear that the case in to say though that Some eighty nine percent of districts have some version of learning in person right now shirts some version. What does that mean. That means students are in class two days a week three days a week again. The idea here take back. Cove it and ask anyone what would be the impact on our school children. If they weren't in a classroom with a teacher in front of them learning together claverie for an entire year. There are some schools state who my school but as an example my children were in class for less than fifteen gaze over the last year. We just have thirty seconds left. So i wanna actually at center zayas because we didn't get of course to vaccinations. That is a huge thing. Are the most vulnerable people in your district getting those shots. I can say that some improvements have been made but we have a long way to go. i was just on a briefing with the city. And you know the city of chicago just said that over the past couple weeks fifty percent of the vaccines have blonde to latino and african american communities so that is a significant improvement on also. Didn't come without a lot of pressure in a lot of sweat equity from our community based organizations who are trusted messengers and have been able to quickly fashion. Stand up these vaccine sites. And i think we need to see more of that happening so that we have that we invite people into the process. We normalize it and we allay any types of concerns but ultimately we get the outcomes and we'll be keeping our eye on that as well as of course further action in springfield so safe travels as each of you head back to your district's with that are thanks to state senators. Jason berkman rockville volume christina paseo and donald dewitt for joining us. Thank you manda. And now paris vecchio. Thank you amanda. A major retail chain has quite a target on. Its back hint hint rumors that the minnesota based target was sniffing around water tower place on the magnificent mile made for some harsh backlash especially from one prominent elected official. So what does this. Kerfuffle say about the future of the landmark shopping district especially as vacancy rates soar. Joining us now with more. Is al balloon commercial real estate reporter with crain's chicago business albie. Thanks for being here. Did you do with your parents all right. So how likely is it. That target is going to go into the water. Tower them all on michigan avenue. Well it's really hard to say at this point. We know that they have looked at it. And you know the they have a big space to fill at water. Tower place may seize is vacating in a couple of weeks and so they occupy or three hundred thousand square feet. Macy's is the biggest ten in it in water tower place so the owner of the mall has to figure out what to do with all that space and they're kind of going through that process right now and argue would be a candidate and i want to get to that macy's vacancy in a bit but why so much backlash to the notion of target on the magnificent mile well on friday in in prior radio interviews. Cook county treasurer. Maria pappas has been speaking out against a target a basically kind of spouting off on the rumours the target would be going there and she. Her basic view is that it would be kinda. Come down for The mag mile water tower place. It's not You know kind of debase. The shopping strip and just to be clear. It sounds kinda random that she's speaking about. She lives right there so she seems to have a personal interest in that he does. That's a very good point. It so does that why you think that she. She was going on the radio kind of sounding off on it. Why i think that's part of it. I mean she's she makes no secret of the fact that she lives right there and she she shots water tower place You know she's obviously not afraid to share her opinions. And even if there are just based on rumors in the market at this point that you mentioned macy's vacating their. How big of an impact is that going to have on water tower. And as i understand this was in the works before kobe. Before some of the unrest that happened this summer correct. Well we don't exactly know when they were starting to talk about leaving water tower place. We knew that they were looking to shrink their space and then in january. They confirmed that they were gonna leave the shopping center entirely. So you know. They are shrinking department. Stores are having a very hard time these days staying relevant in the e commerce world so in basis no exception another retailer. Victoria's secret is reportedly leaving now on the magnificent mile. How come well you know they're facing Same pressures other retailers are facing. It's kind of Exacerbated on the mag mile because rents are so high on north michigan avenue. And it's hard for a lot of retailers to justify paying those high rents when their sales are are often over last few years. Sales have not been very strong on michigan avenue. I mean some. Some retailers obviously are doing quite well in their retailers. They're moving onto the avenue like starbucks just opened a massive rotary and former prayed barrels. Stay so this is not a universal problem. But generally speaking of a lot of retailers are struggling to justify paying the iran there ours. You're mentioning brands like starbucks. Opening up that giant grocery possibly target is that the future of the magnificent mile more of these big well known chains. Well you know. A lot of people in the retail world talk about concepts that are e commerce resistant There's a lot of talk about it. Essential giving consumers something that they can't get online. And so that's what you get with. The starbucks rose creek is an experience. That's kind of what you get at the apple store along the chicago river. So that's a big thing that that retailers are trying to offer and you know this has been something. That's been going on on michigan avenue for awhile. A lot of the flagship stores are there mainly for their their for branding purposes. There's so much foot. Traffic long mag mile like huge billboards for these brands. And we'll see if that foot traffic returns in the coming months and years as the pandemic winds down all right l. Be delun thank you so much. Thanks pierce and up next to check in with local bicycle shops to hear what they're expecting this season so please stick around good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. Black voices what do you believe. Prevents strong coalition of black and latino communities forming across the communities want us to as a nation to find a way to come together. Go down the block jetted from someone local and keep the money in the community. Joy in the black experiences magical raw bicycle sales skyrocketed in two twenty twenty as the pandemic forced more and more people to exercise in commute outdoors but the surgeon demand plus supply chain issues led to lingering shortages still being felt in chicago cycling community chicago. Tonight's quinn myers checked in with local bike shops and cycling groups about the tumultuous past year. And what to expect this season bike shops across chicago. Say they've never experienced anything. Like twenty twenty. It was absolutely insane. I've been in this business for twenty five years. I've been a bike retailer. That long and i have never seen anything like justina. Frank is the co owner of cosmic bikes in jefferson park which sells and fixes a wide range of styles. At first says last year's bike boom was really great until they ran out of stuff to sell from. How we were still chugging along. And then i don't remember exactly when but at some point there was nothing more we could get. There was a point in the summer where we couldn't get basic inner tube sizes some really basic components to do repairs on people's existing bikes bike. Sales jumped sixty five percent in twenty twenty over the previous year. According to data from market research firm and pd group that came on top of a host of pandemic related supply chain issues for bike manufacturers in chicago that translated into long waits for maintenance last summer and almost total scarcity of new bikes last year. People were like. Oh yeah this must be really great for you. Well yeah the demand is great but the demand has to be coupled with dependable supply if you have demand and there's no supply then you're spending a lot of time explaining to people why you don't have what you don't have bike shop owners in chicago. Say they've been able to at least partially restock in catch their breath. After last year's bike boom but because of uncertainty in the markets there may be another shortage this year. We can't order anymore. Bike for twenty twenty one Whatever we're getting in a now is what we're getting And they've all had actually started looking at twenty twenty two. Julian forsyth owns and operates the f. f. bikes on damon avenue in buck town which sells bikes and cycling payroll geared toward women. Forsyth says in the past when they didn't have a part she would just order it man. They would come these days she says. Bff is trying to stock up in case there won't be anything left in a few months. Bring your bike and you know you're crossing your fingers hoping that we can get the part for you if you if you need a while. The past year has put a significant strain on local bike shops. It's also been a boon to area cycling groups in south suburban all sip. We caught up with the chicago. Chapter of black girls do bike. A cycling club organized by and for women of color although all women are welcome the group's leaders lest adams says they've seen a huge surge of interest since the pandemic began. People were really getting into cycling and they were trying to reach out to various cycling groups. You know hey can join join. We had well over one hundred people join our club in twenty twenty black girls. Do bike paused group rides for safety reasons in twenty twenty but are expecting to have a full calendar this season just this week about fifteen women showed up for an afternoon ride along. Cal sag channel. Even though we'd been riding individually we missed truly miss writing With our clubs with our group in our groups with our with the komo the camaraderie across so we are really looking forward to doing that. People say i have to lose weight. I gotta get a new bike. I have to you know you have a lot of reasons and it's just ride with whatever you have come on out right now and take advantage of this for chicago. Tonight's i'm quinn myers. Let's see how long that cycling weather lasts local shops safe. You're trying to buy a new bike this year. Do it sooner rather than later and expect to pay more and you can also learn more about black girls. Do bike on our website and still to come on chicago tonight. The reaches a settlement with a cyclist drunken run over by a bus driver who had racked up over time before he was fired. Non fungible tokens. Nf nfc's making millions for some digital artists. How are these crypto assets changing art and investing our spotlight politics team looks at the covid stimulus and how the one point nine trillion dollars are being spent And the mexican tradition of printmaking alive and well at a chicago. Printing press run by a retired public schoolteacher. But for some more of today's top stories cook. County is set to have a new public defender. Sharon mitchell director of the nonprofit illinois. Justice project is county board president. Toni preckwinkle is reported. Pick a former attorney with the public defender's office. Mitchell will face a county board confirmation vote on friday. He's set to succeed. Current public defender campanile. Who had hoped to be appointed to a second six year term. Preckwinkle is so far. Stayed quiet on. Why can't bonelli wasn't kept on mayor lori. Lightfoot says she's cautiously optimistic that some of chicago summer events can return in one form or another that comes as city officials. Say they'll make a final decision on the taste of chicago air and water show in the coming weeks. Lightfoot wouldn't predict which events will won't happen but she says this summer will likely look more like a normal one in chicago. Let's be honest just because we say x. event is happening doesn't mean that people are gonna come in mass unless they're eighteen or nineteen they'll come but For the rest of us were a little more cautious It doesn't mean that people are gonna come and flock back in mass but we we know so much more about this virus how it spreads then. We did a year ago. We know in particular about outside events that we can manage these in a safe way. That's consistent with public health guidance and life. What made these comments. At an event announcing a new program to help black latino female owned companies that do business with the city to get access to financing. They recover from. The pandemic will have more details about that on our website and businessman and philanthropist. Richard dri house has died and investment manager by trade. Dri house advocated for historic preservation in classical architecture through his namesake foundation and the dream house prize awarded yearly to ah living architect w w produce documentaries about many of the prize winners and cranes reports dri house died after suffering a cerebral hemorrhage at his home. On monday he was seventy eight. The board of directors approves a one point seven five million dollars settlement for a man who was struck by the bus while riding his bike. In two thousand nine hundred. Nineteen chicago tonight. Nick bloomberg has been following this story since the crash in joins us now with details. Nick peres joseph. Morgan was biking southbound on wells approaching hubbard the morning of june six twenty nineteen when he was hit and run over by a bus. That was pulling up to a stop at the corner there now. We've gotten animation showing the bike lane. That organ was riding in a highlighted in green. The bus lanes in blue and the bus shelter circled the police crash. Report says he was taken to northwestern memorial with serious injuries and that his bike was heavily damaged as well. Attorney told us. In two thousand. Nineteen that organ had major orthopedic and gastro intestinal injuries as a result of the crash necessitating a rerouted colon and also faced blood loss in extensive road. Rash and work ensued the ta and the bus operator. Sunday ajayi for major injuries. Medical bills lost. Hey his attorney told us that. He had to stay with family in michigan. While he was recovering couldn't were he was able to get back to work some time ago this morning. The board approved that one point seven five million dollars settlement in a brief statement to wtt. W news today the c. Ta called the incident unfortunate and says that based on the facts of the case some following mediation the agency believes it's an it's best interest to settle as opposed to prolong a legal fight. And what happened to the bus driver. Nick well he was fired by the just about a month after the crash which was his third on the job in a period of a year and a half or so court records also show he'd had eighteen traffic tickets between nineteen ninety nine and two thousand five including three while he was working for the day and he was also among the highest paid bus drivers in several recent years taking home nearly one hundred eighteen thousand dollars in two thousand seventeen and about one hundred fifty one thousand dollars which could sum back pay in two thousand eighteen. Now based on his hourly rate of time. Full year's pay at forty hours. A week would come out to about seventy three thousand dollars. Wow so we made more than twice that how was that. It appears to be largely driven by over time before a giant was fired records show. You worked five hundred thirty two hours of overtime in two thousand nineteen and that comes out to an average workweek of nearly sixty hours at a time we asked. The see of the agency was understaffed. And how heavily it relied on time. Agency says its drivers. Choose to work overtime. They're not assign and in a statement then told us see workplace rules ensure that bus operators have at least eight hours off between shifts and keeping with industry best practices an operator is only eligible for overtime work at the end of the overtime shift is more than eight hours from the beginning of this will work the next day. The told us earlier today that it's overtime policies haven't changed since them were unable to reach the former driver harris nikola to uncover their good job. Thank you very much. Thank you and you can read knicks full story on our website. It's all at wtt w dot com slash news. And if they're all the rage in both the art and crypto currency world's lately and now they're creeping into other industries at this point. You're probably asking what in the world is an nf t good question. We're about to answer that. But just know they can get really pricey. This collage called every day as the first five thousand days by an artist named people is on auction at auction. House christie's with a current bid of more than thirteen million dollars. It is the first digital art to be auctioned at christie's and joining us to break down what. Nfc's are what impact they're having. Is donna redel. Law professor at fordham university and board member of the wall street blockchain aligns donna. Redel welcome to chicago tonight. Really a pleasure to be here thank you. It's great to have you. So what is an nfl or non fungible token glad you wrote down that it was a non fungible token sort nonfederal token is exactly what it says it is a unique token and it lives on a blockchain and a blockchain therefore records the the provenance of it. And who owns it from time to time as it gets sold along the way and so you have a perfect record of where it came from. Who had goes to and all the transactions from the time in which it was birthd- blockchain of course technology used for crypto currencies. So it is a authentic thing that you own and we mentioned. It's it's used in art right now. So how is owning a non fungible token piece of art like owning an actual physical piece of art. It's very different because you are. You're owning code and the code is is then manifested in an image. The other thing. I think was really going on now. Is that you're a part of community and you are buy happiness and not of an artist. You are binding yourself to that artists in the sense that they you want to be part of what they represent. And it's on the blockchain. And so i think you're seeing now right. Now that there is a convergence and a heads explosion in which is very calm. A explosive combat aviation of celebrity brands price all round and a t and for the most part manifesting itself an art whether it be visual art or music art and speaking of that. There's an t music video by the artist. Grimes that is worth four. Hundred thousand dollars purportedly. My question is if anyone can click on this and see this. What is the value in spending four hundred thousand dollars owning it. Well you raise a good question but you know the that that is that you own it and conceivably you could have some right that are embedded in the contract. Because on every nf teed there is smart contract and that contract what's in the rights and obligations of the seller and the rights and obligations of the buyer. So i may have certain rights that attached to that empty that i could then go and do something with. We mentioned at the top christie's auction house selling this piece. By an crypto artist named people. Thirteen million dollars. Why is this so valuable user keys proven artists. It was doing. Give what you would call. Non digital art amused doing tangible art for quite some time and then he moved into the digital space. He's already tested the waters in that he sold some peace on a nifty gate. Where i believe it was for about four point. Six million dollars will even even though at that time that he sold it was well known that he was going to be at christie's so i think that he became very collectable artists and christie's who took a real gamble to move into the digital world in terms of nfc's they've been in other kinds of digital are four but move into an tease. They picked this artists. And you know they did. They did a smart booth. That is a very and is the idea that like any great piece of physical art that an nf teepees of art might appreciate over. Time might really grow in value. Yeah i mean. Look i think in anything that you make an investment in clearly. If you're spending eleven million dollars you're making an investment. You're hoping that that investment will be sustainable over time and i think that's what's happening here there. Is you know the there is a lot of speculation going on on the other side. One of the things. I think that's really beautiful. Labatt and fte's is that it's on boarding people into the crypto space. You up to get a wallet you have to want maybe buy some east which is a gas currency that a lot of the entities are sold in and so it becomes a very flexible way for people to get involved in crypto currencies. Because they're interested in art or music or at are now in fashion. And so i think that this becomes a really interesting way to onboard people into what will be a greater university entry into that where we only have a few seconds left but a wear can tease expand into we talked about art the musical group kings of leon. They released their album with an nfc. What other industries could touch already. Seeing in sports with top shot they're selling they're selling entities that are moments of very famous basketball moments. Whether it's lebron making a doc or others and they're sold. I think they believe in the first couple of months over a million dollars of these of these moments so sports has a lot of fans fans want to connect with their with their superstar or their team and so this is a natural way in which fans in the all. The teams can expand that connectedness. Because most of this is about connection being art of something that you really adore something that you spent a lifetime as in sports Wanting to be included in this gets you there in a different way than if you were in the arena and to have some feeling of ownership of that are at fascinating correct and sat have a feeling of ownership of whether it be the art piece the moment music and and also you the a lot of the artists are making sure that in bedded in their contract is get back to the community. Alright donna rebel fascinating subject. Thank you so much for your insights about them. Welcome anytime happy. Happy to be here all right and up next our spotlight politics team dives into the details of the covid stimulus plan but first a look at the weather National news with the stimulus passing in. Congress and merrick garland confirmed as attorney. General with bipartisan. Support we'll also shine are spotlight on some city state and other political news. As well and joining us tonight. Our amana vicky and heather sharon. Let's start with that. One point nine trillion dollar code relief package that passed the house. Today here is what senate majority leader chuck schumer and minority leader mitch. Mcconnell had to say help is on the way you'll receive fourteen hundred dollar checks by the end of march help is on the way. Vaccines will be available far more quickly. This is a classic example of big government democratic overreach in the name of covid relief. All right heather surround break down. What does this stimulus package going to mean for illinois ins. Well most people will see a fourteen hundred dollars stimulus check and if you are unemployed and getting unemployment insurance that will be extended through labor day with an extra three hundred dollars there's a host of other provisions. There's money for states and cities as well as school districts as well as money for testing and vaccine and it will also take a real staff average using child poverty. It expands the child tax credit and it also expands aid for in terms of food to combat hunger. It's got it's a real smorgasbord of progressive attempts to get the economy going as we see this back seen rollout take action than yesterday on the show. We had congressman. Danny davis from chicago calling it mono- from heaven so amanda is this going to be for illinois's and chicago's dire budget situations. You know. I think it is going to cause in some ways. It is going to alleviate headaches for mayor lightfoot and for governor jay pritzker certainly they would be having to make a whole lot of tougher decisions. Were it not for this federal money. It gives them breathing room and at the same time. It gives them a headache already. My inbox has for example. A in email from the chicago teachers union ever at the back of mayor. Lightfoot saying we want money to be directed in this and there is going to be whenever you get sort of the the big huge gift like this. You're going to have politicians looking to spend it on what their priorities are. Of course those priorities are not always in alignment so I it is Like i said both once a gift but also a brand new headache. And we even see the mayor tamp down expectations about this one point eight billion or so windfall heather. Let's also talk about. Merrick garland niles. No lincoln would native niles would high school niles west but there we gotta get those northwest suburbs straight He was confirmed by by seventy two thirty vote today after many delays. Are you surprised. That was bipartisan. Like this no. It was always clear. That merrick garland was somebody who was highly respected even by members of the republican party Of course there were some republicans who said they couldn't vote for him. They thought that he would be too partisan attorney. General which many democrats said was quite rich coming. After attorney general bill barr under president. Trump. who of course made no bones about his job being there to protect the president but is redemption of sorts for garland who of course was nominated by former president barack obama to the united states supreme court and didn't even get a hearing in the united states. Senate thanks to the senate. Then senate majority leader mitch. Mcconnell today voted to confirm him as attorney general so it all comes full circle and of course a different ballgame there right and mean one is a lifetime appointment to the state's highest court to the states to the nation's high court and you also had this really into when he was obama's nominee to the supreme court republicans seeing a chance running with it taking a bet that paid off in terms of their getting instead this seat on the court whereas here this is a president so if they weren't going to back garland who go get behind for position like this. It's it's just different and heather tomorrow. We expect to hear from president biden. In fact we will have his primetime address at seven o'clock on chicago tonight. What do you expect to hear from them. Well we're going to hear him talk about being really a years. Since the corona virus pandemic changed over lives. It is the anniversary of the day that we all learned that. Tom hanks to tested positive for covid nineteen as well as the end of nba play. Where of course. The game was stopped in the middle of it by a positive test and that life for me and for many americans. That was the day. When i realized that it was really going to be you a significant disruption and. I think we're going to hear him. Talk about the more than five hundred thousand americans who died he's going to pay tribute to their memory but he's also going to try to look ahead. I expect he will say something along the lines of we're not through this tunnel yet but there is light at the end of the tunnel and i expect he will encourage people to get vaccinated win. It's their chance to and he will claim credit for speeding. The rollout of those vaccines and he will no doubt. Celebrate the package of the one point nine billion dollar relief package just details and one of the places to get vaccinated the united center. Amanda you were out there on day. One of vaccination last night even the last couple of hours. The city is adjusted who is eligible to sign up for appointments there to try and improve some of these equity numbers. Tell us about the changes announcing we'll w- they had indicated. Actually yesterday that they were going to really focus on these five zip codes as we reported what. We didn't really know how this was going to work that. We knew that there was going to be a focus on the part of the city. And the state to really target the vaccinations and it seems as if they're going to be using what is basically a coupon code that you're going to have to answer enter in if you are somebody who resides in one of these areas and then you'll need to prove that and if not euro get your appointment cancelled and this comes as doctor already has said. Don't lie here on things like your address and your age because this is going to be your your permanent vaccination records so if as we are already seeing it is something that you might need to use to travel if you are looking to get out of the country for example at some point when that is safe to do so you're gonna need that to match up to your personal data. So that is there. But paris they believe. Also the tribune has indicated that there are some additional problems with that. Rollout for example. We did get guarantees. Just yesterday that when folks were. They're getting that first vaccine. That's when they would make an appointment for that second dose of the pfizer vaccine and instead the trip reporting that that already isn't happening in some people don't even have cell phone numbers or email addresses so it's going to be even more difficult. It's the onus will be on the first does vaccinated to reach out to the city way through that barrier of getting through to a phone line to make their second. Make sure to get that. Second dose of heather. Basically the city is responding to the figures that were showing that something like sixty percent of the folk signing up at some point. We're not from the city of chicago. So they're they're trying to reorient it that that the majority will be from chicago and especially from the communities hardest hit and then communities hardest hit in suburban cook county and then a little bit outside of cook county as well. Do you believe that that this will start to get those equity numbers in the right direction. Well it's hard to say. Because when they opened appointments for the united center at eight thirty thursday morning it was open to all illinois residents. And i'm surprised that they were surprised that that meant that sixty percent of people who signed up work from chicago and that the vast majority were white or asian. Because we've seen time and again as the vaccines have rolled out that. That's who has access to internet to the internet and can wait and keep clicking to make those appointments. I think it really has to do with this. Being designed not appropriately to achieve those equity goals by opening it up to everybody on thursday and then sort of trying to pull it back and say we're going to target it a little bit more that has led to a lot of frustration. A lot of hurt feelings especially for people in chicago and cook county. Who were hoping to get appointments. Because the united center is the only place if you have an underlying health condition to get vaccinated right now because the city and the In cook county haven't moved to that next phase so it's very frustrating and it seems like as amanda reported. There's not a whole lot. There's still a lot of questions remaining on how it's going to ultimately work or some questions have been resolved now in terms of what baseball is going to look like in the spring and summer Take a look at what the mayor had to announce on that front union. Let's play boss ocado all right. Amanda i know that you're going to be gearing up to try and get tickets at socks park heather over at wrigley field. Only about eight thousand or so fans and each stadium to start off with manda. How is this going to work. I think going to be empty. Relatively twenty percent capacity. These are huge stadiums. That said i do imagine that it is going to be this kind of slow tread back to reality Back to our normal lives. And hey it's the american pastime. Right this is the start of it. We did here governor. Jay pritzker was asked. Because we're we're sort of in this lol this phase four with no deadline for when we will move to the state phrases phase five which it'd be life close to really normal without this fifty percent capacity at restaurants in such in the governor indicated that he is at least considering open to some of these changes because you really is under a whole lot of pressure to lift some of those restrictions and by the way not just from republicans including democrats like state senator center. If i can hold saying hey wait a second. The seats losing conventions we need to have a concrete plan and some more metrics. We had the metrics for closing down. Now we need metrics for opening back up. And i think there's a report out there right. Now that says that conventions could possibly return mccormick place including the auto show which has sort of been on hold for a while normally takes place in the february. Heather what do you think about other events like the air and water show lollapalooza taste of chicago. I think can happen well. It's not clear yet because when the city approved it's twenty twenty one budget. They didn't appropriate any money for those festivals. The taste of chicago in the water show alone cost the city about nine million dollars so if those events are to take place. The mayor has to eighty. Decide that it's safe enough to allow people to gather and be. She's gotta find that money to make those events happen and it might seem like somers a long way away but it's really not because these events take of course planning and logistics. Especially if you're going to you know make sure there are Toilets and the handwashing stations and all the other things that need to be in place to prevent coded from spreading so. It's not clear yet. Although we did hear the mayor say she was optimistic that this summer would look more like twenty nineteen twenty twenty so if the and water show does happen. I think the three of us will probably be tandem skydiving to kick off the event. This year. I'm see if the mayor's office listen to all right we're gonna have to leave it there. Thank you is thank you all so much. And we'll have coverage president biden's address on our program tomorrow night chicago public schoolteacher took an early retirement to pursue his dream to continue in the long line of mexican who excel at printmaking from depicting calaveras the skulls seen and the day of the dead celebration to pursuing themes of social justice. Rene our sale is the heir apparent to an enduring tradition arts producer. Mark vitality recently shared a portrait of the chicagoan who has recommitted himself to his art and culture. Here's another look. When we visited his studio in pre pandemic days. He was working alone but this artist has a talent for collaboration in air ceo. I'm a pre maker. I have elaborate Blaze which is called ceo breasts where i publish Proteins with artists from not only across the united states but from different parts of the world. There's somebody for costa rica. puerto rico canada In spain and france there's several southern artists that are leaving the united states. That have collaborated some venezuelan. Argentinian peruvian from lino cuts and silkscreen to wood engravings and etchings print makers need a wide range of skill sets. We first learned about. Chicago's arceo ceo. Press when the bridgeport. Art center hosted an exhibit of work by rene arceo and the artists he works with that show was called. The border crossed us. Our ceo grew up in a small town near guadalajara. He told us the story of his own border crossing nineteen seventy-nine win as a nineteen year old. He left mexico and came to the us. His family hired a coyote to guide him his brother and a cousin. I remember going through the from the corner. There was a quota the took a group of is In the middle of the night he was probably around three o'clock in the morning we crossed the border. We saw some of the helicopters flying over head and down to heal. We saw several groups that were being caught We just stay there until For a few hours. I don't remember how long until there were no more helicopters flying around and then our group leader took us and we were walking. I don't know for how long until sunrise practically and then after that that afternoon they Buddha the trunk of a car. A big car. I think there were five or six of us in. They took us out best us through a checkpoint and then From there we went to the outskirts of Los angeles i feel lucky and also have been able to make something of myself While coming to the states are seo came to chicago married and became a us citizen. He studied at the school of the art institute and worked at. What later became the national museum of mexican art and he taught at chicago elementary school. For twenty years through the beginning of the pandemic we did do Virtual teaching for a few months. Actually he was allowed more difficult. Because most of the kids are were not getting connected a lot of them didn't have because we're talking about. Hobart did he have devices. Have access to the internet So it was very difficult for years. He had been planning to retire to focus on his art. His work is part of the heritage of mexican print. Making that started with the artist. Jose guadalupe posada in the late eighteen hundreds including works that feature calaveras and also the use of the skeletons. There are doing a lot of different things. Not in the bloody spooky away like halloween but they are doing regular activities as if they were alive because to us it is an extension of life and it is what remains of these body. Once we once we die. Our sales artistic is very much alive while his early works were more political. His latest artwork concentrates on people one is a tribute to the first responders to covid nineteen and includes a bat taking flight. I've been able to to get my artwork at the same time. I continue to produce everything Very happy that i'm able to to do that. So essentially just getting ready to until the pandemic a i can Do more dispersing on my work through exhibitions and collaborations with With artists as well for chicago tonight. This is mark fatality. Rene sale recently set up an fc shop to sell his original works which go for between twenty five and three hundred dollars. You can find out more and see more of his work on our website and that is our show for this wednesday night. Please join us tomorrow. Night live at seven. President biden gives his first primetime address to mark one year. Since the shutdown began and a new exhibit in elmhurst uses images of dr king to push forward the conversation unfair housing. Now for all of us here at chicago tonight. I'm parachutes thank you. So much for watching. Stay healthy and safe and good night clues. Captioning is made possible by robert a clifford and clifford law offices of chicago personal injury and wrongful death for that is proud of its partners named illinois meeting warriors by the law bulletin publishing company of chicago.

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A Vino Vax Party (w/ Vanessa Rubio)

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A Vino Vax Party (w/ Vanessa Rubio)

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Sorry so what we should out instead of area route bug. sorry even sounds similar like growing. I wish people could see your face saying it because you said it like if you already knew like i said come on guys. We should watch the spanish version of the bill. Murray movie modern watson spangles version. And as adam sandler remake of go. how are we. How are you guys. Celebrating grown house as it just by doing exactly like the other days in the pandemic. Yeah we're doing the same thing. yeah again it. Every day sounded like the brain in pinky and the brain car. Oh what are we gonna do today. Same thing we do pinky thinking. I was watching any maniacs. I was too old to be watching them when they were new. Now just getting the right age for tracks. I don't know that they call up and came out first time cartoons in your forty. You're right you're right. He said well he said it like like he was like no. I'm here i still watch. You know narrow toshiba. Who every day do you wash now. Nowhere to go. I love the okay. Yeah i watch anime. like i haven't watched naruto when it was out. I'm like catching up but nid so long but it's so good of course it's a shonen anime. So there's tons of filler episode in there. But it's fucking incredible. Now i i. I'm not an enemy person at. I have what i try like. I just i haven't i can't get into it i. I don't know what was the enemy that you tried to watch. Guess was years ago drag something with tentacles. In sailor stater wouldn't is is enemy light. It was on it was on fogs online. I would like see it if it come out. But like i was never. I don't know. I think i'm going to be honest. I don't really like the graphics of annemie usually. I don't know what it is not appealing to my eye oscar as just like was he the last episode of suspension. I don't know what to tell you. That's what broke us up. You got a couple of years on amazon. They had the whole. What now doesn't matter 'cause now it's on. Hbo max but i note like maybe twenty fourteen. They had the batman animated series the whole time we sit down and watch this before they take it away. I totally like i put in some of the growing up you know. It's not the same appreciated differently. Housing adult of don't do that series show good. It's very dark very tall. It doesn't pander kids in such a way. It's good speaking of hander. Which to me reminds me pandemics. Loosey-goosey segues Were still living in this. We're going to be in it for a while. Has there been anything any new skill. That any of you have tried is our peak on honey. Bunny gray oh my god i love want. Someone costs me bonnie because by oh here we go now. It's a new new skill rice a new skill or interests that you are exploring or exploring in the pandemic times. It's a good question. I have one a rat. Roy you start. You didn't bring it up with because you're you're you're fair enough fair enough this pandemic cliche. Because i feel like a year ago. Everyone was like landing that they island. But i'm learning to cook now because my sister-in-law sing my her christmas gift to me. I usually go to miami around the holidays. But of course i didn't. She sent me a bunch of frozen neat of different kinds and wide frozen. Like a box from a very nice place of frozen uncooked stuff. And i thought well when you're this Yeah like stay while hostage lamb chops like order that i've heard of that. I mean without context and sounds very no eight-day boxes. you think. I just got a box out doors. Rosa i'll eat it. I guess did and i'm learning. I'm teaching myself. How to coach you. Go through whether you still have a bunch of left. A bunch let. I'm meet that you get for one with the with the questions like policy our now my in question to you tony is. Are you having fun. Learning out of cook. Good question i think. How was your process of learning how to cook. Yeah i am having fun. I didn't think i would as much as i am and google google. I have a bunch of interest recipes. Essentially senator jason tastes getting new products. Like i'm going to try this seasoning. And then i realized yeah. I wasn't cooking that well and then i just bought new pants and stuff and a truly talking. I'm talking out loud and the kitchen. I'm having a ball like all this wonderfully a minute. Nonstick show with gonna love. I would love to see barbosa cooked some. I would love to see her costume some steak as long as she doesn't mess up. Shoot that that will happen okay. So you're learning to cook just a lot of meat specifically are you of other things got it. Took a box of meats to get you. Have your sister's name or was it. Just i mean on. Brando is took me like i twenty to start cooking in you know. Why do i set it in that accident. Well i guess my sister-in-law does know me. Is there a favorite dish that you like now. I just cook myself beefsteak. For the first time it was. When i love steak and with yuka fries and my jining argentina restaurant in my own home cheaper and healthier coffers cuban tool right. There's that are arjun. i think there's i think south american golden wherever you grow you guys would wherever definitely my area and some available miami. Okay tony is is Gonna become chef tony In twenty twenty one anybody also thinking either starting or thinking about it at all any other skills and stuff. I feel like oscar. His is really really glowing. When i asked this question glowed now i have been trying to learn a couple of things during the pandemic for one. I'm learning japanese. So we will link or what it started with duolingo. But here's the thing about duolingo. It's not rate doing that until the podcast. Tell you which was really great. I was not bowel. I'm macy's you'll berlitz thing or what no. I took classes at the mount fuji japanese school. Like i'm actually literally quite seriously taking japanese lessons and it's been really great It's challenging to It's it's interesting because it's like. I'm practicing it a lot and i'm getting it. But it's it's a totally. I mean obviously totally different so whole characters. Language is completely wild. But i love it and you know i get to watch anime i. I'm i'm starting to watch anime without the subtitles. Or don't really yeah can actually like really and it's a really magical moment when you're like you can actually figure out what they're saying what i know. That's yeah with spanish english. Candlelight you some time sometimes similarity but whatever knees or some a mini other languages that gets you have to start from zero exactly. Yeah there's a lot of like americanized words like for example like the word for fruit in japanese is fruit sue with like. Oh that's just that's very simple. It's a few But yeah. I'm learning japanese. I've also gotten very obsessed with the eurovision song contest. Pandemic with will ferrell before the movie came out. I was into it. But i i haven't watched really much your vision before the movie came out so i i haven't seen the movie. I've made it a goal to watch every single eurovision. Well then when you watch the movie you'll appreciate it allows exactly and i'm like in it in it like i am. I know the stats of most every country. I'd like that nerdy about it. Like next patrick show like miss universe pageant or leg like peasant by the people that are obsessed with. I guess so talking about the former president. That's like the national puerto. Rico what are you talking about really yes in venezuela like there's a lawyer long being let me tell you they hard. Yeah let me solo here. That's a whole year. Note them maybe. It has to be my next thing. Anyway it's great. It's like the closest thing to sports match that i will ever get The voting system is so amazing. And if anyone anyone listening to this podcast is into your vision. Le- let me know. I just love talking about it so much. You never a var casper oscar. Yeah and the. And the one thing that i'll say that i picked up during the pandemic is i'm taking tap lessons. As well. catalina task yup. I wanna do a song tattoo it. Okay okay okay. I'm going to right now oscar when we have our first. Sap live show like god. Yeah iowa like i want. Even if it's a a two minute. Quick little tab downs i wanted. I'm asking. I'm giving your time a war going on. I want it. i'm not asking. I'm belling. Here's the thing. I'm very bad at it. Because i was i was dancer. I took mostly form of dance growing up except for tap. Never took tap was always intimidated by tap dancing and during the pandemic i got a pair of tap shoes randomly and actually i took right before the pandemic Took a tap class with my friends and he had an extra pair of tap shoes. let me borrow. Why do they have an n de who has an expert. Because he was. He's a he's a tap dancer he's going up notch. This is the second if you're a tap dancer. You gotta have another. Yeah i have three basketball's at my house like i got on that relates to that state. Yeah no. I'm serious because it's like if you're if you like. Yeah i was of your fell one and i can't really well. That's part of the brand for the class and it was. It was really fun. But i you know i was struggling and afterwards my friend. Let me keep his there your tap shoes and he was like i think he should just keep doing it. Keep working on this. And i was like and then i just been practicing. Bring that little. Well i hear you like if you all watched the movie soul. I'm still looking for my spark. Is i realized that. I didn't really push for anything. Disbanded may cause i'm cooking. Also i've been tapping my whole life and no fluid in jeopardy in japanese japanese. And you got that steph curry three. I'm so sad. I just realized that. I just cruised on the cruise. That's not true. You've you've been busy during the pandemic you've been working you've been hustling been doing nothing right. You have been getting those coins. Something that john. It's something that people have been talking a lot about. Because it's funny when you when when tony brought up the peak hours like thinking the same thing like i feel like i'm a little to answer on my end like i i don't know like i don't think i tried to learn any. Just kinda like just trying to survive. I think glass. Near like honestly like as i know so many of us are also i know you guys all to do but I feel like i get. I remember doing so much like when it comes to like word work. Podcast like side-hustle whatever you know a helping someone with some or whatever that is so i feel like i just like when it came to like me time. I honestly just wanted to like sit at my bed and chill other than like workout one thing. I will say i started. That was no Doing like spinning like cycling. Kills me yeah because you guys. I'm like not not on the ballot upon because i don't have one of them but we have. We have a very similar one Boyfriends i started his mom. That's what she does not like when i heard like workout. So she was sub peleton. It's all melody on along. I learned how to ride bike. When i was like twelve or thirteen or something ridiculous like i was on older child when i learned i also was late. Learning in miami. We any reason i learned was because we sent home for a hurricane so like well. I don't have any homework. Did explain anything as to why you learn because the hurricane that makes you writing riding his bicycle wildest look like the wicked witch of the west bucket where i earned. I remember my friend Got on the end is i wasn't middle school. I actually like eleven or twelve but again still like a very older age not know how to ride a bike without training wheels. Like and like i had a bike but had training wheels. I was terrified a falling barely. What like a couple of feet but still whatever and fill. I went to the key largo with them. And we were gonna right by. They were gonna ride bikes. I got so anxious. And i was like look like. I don't know how to ride a bike. I'm like eleven. i could shoot a three pointer. But i can't ride a bike like i just can't go i. They taught me leave his tommy right there and then i always bother my my dad about. I'm like another father showed me and he's he's gonna win all paying the bills for you to live in a house and i was like fair fair fair. Okay an interesting question. As i think it would have been formed everything differently. If you had known how long the pandemic meaning council lockdown started. If you do that you were going to have to take a year. Like would've changed at all. How you approach where you were going to do. Because i think for for me at least it was like an for everybody. But i feel like it was like oh. This is just going to be three weeks. Oh this is going to be a month and everything was never like my questions. If we have to hindsight would you have done things differently. We suppose into taking poppies joel. I like honestly. I think we're still like we don't know how much in the middle we are. We don't know where the end is like. We came we are. We're at a different place. Now you may own going were in march when we had. There was no president for this. Yeah okay and i feel like a lot of yeah i remember. It was great man around. And i'll have candy and that was a big mistake. Yeah yeah to be for three weeks. I know i think in the beginning. I very much was like that as much as like people that were like. I feel like informed about this prior. We're kind of like no. We're gonna be. I was like no no no. No no no because as much as i could be negative as i was like trying to be as fucking awesome as possible. There was just no president for him yet. Because i just feel like personally i had like so many like and goals for like career wise this year and none of that really happened or was able to happen. Yeah i felt like it was really put on. Hold because i was. I am still in a place where i'm just kind of like i still need like a little bit of like i need to continue to do a little bit more. I would stay on my end So i think that was something that i knew pretty cool. Yeah twenty twenty. Twenty one started started very good. I'm definitely i'm paul. I have a positive outlook as much as like dark. Still like i like i. I mean yesterday i was so anxious than whatever with the world but like i think that for me if i knew i would have been like Fixer website. Like this like little things like that. The like i would in the regular pre pandemic. I was just like. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. i'll get to. I still have my herald show dates on my website. Like it's really bad. it's like dated. But again i think that's something that i and i i know. It's like ole such like whatever answer. But i think i'm really gonna try to focus a little bit more on my career this year because i do feel like there is there is gonna be. There is going to be a an end to this sooner than later in my brain and it might not be till release twenty twenty two at the end of the tunnel. Exactly yeah yeah vaccine and just like you know we have to. I don't know. And i i feel like i've stepped acting like ten times but it's just like i mean we we were we had. We didn't think that was gonna come out quickly knowing that there's a vaccine not knowing how long it's gonna take it's still it's like taking on it's like this is an analogy. When you're driving. I would rather drive longer but fluidly than stuck in traffic and take less time like in my mind knowing that there's a vaccine i think for everybody. It doesn't mean that everything's over but at least there is something that we didn't have before. Yeah variables that we had no clue we have no redeeming auto processes a whole. We're all different humans after this. Yeah now we're able to see some some of the things taking effect like could have this been done sooner by our administration one hundred percent. Can you say that our administration is the reason why this pandemic is taking this long one hundred percent right but i think it's interesting because you you were thinking about like the career moves which one hundred percent is like. Yeah that's my god. Yeah but i was not even thinking that way. Like i know in the pandemic the whole time. I was just like well. This is a moment in time. Where i need to figure because i am so isolated of like what makes me feel complete. What makes my like soul feel fulfilled. And yeah you can get away. Which is a lot armed push. Yeah exactly and like yeah exactly because like you know we were all incredibly busy pre pandemic and like you just didn't have the time to like take a break so down and then and the pandemic as like insanely awful and terrible. It's been too many people would offered me personally. Speaking was the time to self reflect on things that were making me happy and a lot of things that i that i was doing that i felt that i thought were the right things to do. Weren't necessarily making me happy So that's why. I got into the whole vibe of like. I'm going to do as much as i can because i've been given the luxury of time to do things that fulfill me that make me happy. Impossible to get anything with you are was requested that we have here after. Run over to the thing i have to staying in like i mean all of us all of us for real like i just like for real like like. I'm the one that does a lot of most of the scheduling rate and like it's aiming. It became like a thing where i was just like all right. This is the one day we can do. Podcasts i'm fucking guests for guests to come in here today. You know what. I mean because and you guys know like an i i was like you know. Yeah you're right like you are right. The loss about like. I have taken some time for myself. Eat a bunch of leg bad food and like knock aird. And i've like had days where i don't do shit and i work out as much as i love to work out and all that stuff so i do. I do think i've done that kind of stuff too. But i don't know. United know me. I always have business in my brain potato. It's so hard to like. Take it out like like you know. I've been given like even with my new gig like sometimes it's like okay. Well when you finish this you can have like. I just was told the other day when something was going on in the world. Vaca- just take the day off. Today's sucks would did i do. I took thirty minutes off and then immediately went back to work. Because you'll stop them when a ten minute advantage of this going to get like an like and i'm like why at the same time like i just pick i. Do we know you. You'd like being busy like working working on your business on your brand like that. hustle is. What makes you happy a lot of frustration for you is the fact that the world stop and that is in correlation to your happiness over shares. A letter hire employees. Understand what you're going through. One of the most un torres torres. I've ever met instead of take like going to sleep taking a break your so unlike your own zodiac sign where you're like no hustle. This is this is a memorial to hustle. But don't forget to be kind to yourself right. Don't forget to be kind to yourself. Don't forget to take it easy. Don't forget to take time to process. Like carlos said this unprecedented moment that is obviously affecting our psyche and our mental health. So take the time you need. Don't feel like you need to be anywhere don't need don't you don't need to feel like you need to do something. Just take the time. Oscar could not have said it better while and lets you want to learn japanese or learn how to do that or if you want to do is take a little tougher. Seato break I nor was coming. I saw your face tightening. Oh my god tony. Simon like three minutes before guys. Do you remember mama. Is groundhog talk about that planned. Parenthood's got you covered as a leader in using new technologies to provide high quality healthcare in ways that fit your life through planned. Parenthood's virtual appointments. You can get high quality affordable care your way by phone or video. Trust providers will listen. Give information and support you. In all of your health-care decisions planned parenthood's telehealth appointments are high quality affordable and private just like in person visits. 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Now on stitcher just had the image on your screen and editor favorites. And we're back from his seat bill break slurp slurp slurp what happened. You were sleeping on. Yes cape when mita. I am so excited for our guest. Today as a lot of people are because we put audience questions. Tell you the question lou. I'm watching the question. Yes a lotta questions. That's a question but We have amazing actor from cobra kai she plays on cobra kai and also she plays. I not on sabrina on netflix. Says well oh my god. We got an island. Yo hey nice to be here with you guys yesterday where the have you. I know that You know it's It's been a crazy week for you. Cobra kai season three draws crazy. They dropped the bags supposed to come out on the eighth. And then you know. The first people went what ashley. Benched it on the first goes. Yeah yeah and it's been like number one for a hot minute right now. So that always really exciting. It's it's such a. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not fully caught up. So but i'm like this season eight up the first two and that's usually pretty amazing. How like 'cause you. The first season came out a long time ago it was. It was a way apple. That's just a testament to just the availability would netflix. Probably provided in a way that you couldn't do it. I mean we. You know what i'm saying. We you're thankful i want to ask. I'm basing netflix. Has like so much power in reaches like three translates into thirty plus languages and does little komo's for each country. I just saw this morning. Actually my cousin. A big family In columbia and they sent me the promo that netflix did for columbia. Anos is so well done hilarious instagram today. I was just like oh my gods amazing but that's kind like an example of what i'm not even i'm not even in it but must be so interesting to expand it and then here view your character in spanish but someone else's voice right. I have i have to do that. I have to watch it in my german and spanish. Learn 'cause you already know what you're supposed to be saying. Yes that's that's actually kind of smartly those they never would have thought scratch for tips more language tapes star applic- series translates and that's learning okay. Yeah easily attainable. Well i definitely want to get more into cobra kai but Before that kind of just you know. I think again. The show is really cool. It's really diverse. And i i love that so much but like you have been doing. You've been working in different shows and you came from new york. I met you in. I when you literally had come before you moved here with. Our mutual friends pays sources say. Hey we know you're gonna listen to this episode because you have no choice you guys. I feel like maybe you met in new york. 'cause you had been in new york for a while but not like acting. Yeah yeah that this past year. Twenty twenty minutes away from new york. And yeah i was. I mean i'm an east coast girl born and raised in new jersey To nyu You know hung around new york by like every scrap of ability. I could and then. I just left like for two years. I lived in rhode island for about two years. And then yeah so in new york girl. But i came and i met you in the summer of twenty twenty dollars. I was just looking for an apartment in la prices the hookup connect. Yeah yeah the welcoming committee. Even though you're not from miami which is primarily the work that she does my focused but we got cracks. You've got to miami okay. So it's jason like miami somewhere paul. Yeah no for sure. I'm like there wasn't a pandemic me and bonus. I would've already had like five girls nights already absolutely like all in our pods right but But yet we're connected through. See that you use for miami and who. I met in new york You know inevitably as a latino actor. You're you're gonna be friends with the people you meet in the waiting rooms and That is you're like you'll again. I gotta talk to you. I mean her like the curly girls. Yeah she is So we have a lot of friends in common and it was just like a migration like a flight from new york to la. Most of my latino friends moved yet. And i was just there kind of posing my new york chapter and also fortunately work out supposed to move out to la in two thousand and eighteen and the yeah i booked. Sabrina last year was doing cobra. Kai sweep Linebacker for like. I have no time to him of which i didn't and then finally in twenty twenty After the initial lockdown in the summer i was able to make the move. I'm really happy that i did. I must be crazy doing that. Also like in the middle of the pandemic of like you know like they were able to actually see like the apartment and stuff that you ended up. Get like we're you able to go in person one of those kind of things. yeah now. Yeah the in terms. Never really the same right now. I went mass step in everything. And yeah if i had more time maybe i would have settled on my apartment but like my apartment Yeah hey meter maid. I will you know is as long as you can self tape exactly especially now. Yeah totally e so now. Since you've been allaying what lake has. Have you been able again safely. Have you been able to experience anything like this past year is such. It's a weird lake time. So you've been to to get to do things you know. Yeah definitely but i mean of course being in new york transplant. I'm so grateful for a small things. I'm like a god. There's so much space year high again after it so great. I didn't have a car for the first few months that was here but fortunately different fans lung their cars. When they're away and i got by in i just recently like Parks just just couldn't I was baby step. Yeah you gotta yeah exactly as into it then. Tony all lived in new york by the way for big. I'm an oscar. Doesn't drive or have a car so if you need some walking in a i will walk everywhere everywhere. And i'm know april. I'm very miami. I'm like not having a car new york every second time really wanted to yes. I hated being in control of my transportation. I hate it that i had to watch and calculated thing and i can never enjoy myself at night because if i if i hang up five minutes i gotta wait one more hour to get on a thing in the other. I can't marry you know where you might not okay and back in the day. There was an uber. So like if i wanted to go outside like cops wouldn't take me and if i was outside gypsy capsule won't take in some big mess. I was just. I you can tell. Ptsd meet meet out. We were york together. I mean godly. They'll spend a lot of time like for the last time remember and it was like no no other friends. Wanted to take overs. Taxis and i was like golly me and him are always like taxi. Lift whatever enlightening experience being able to jump in a new oscar and i went from chelsea walked to the lower east side walking in new york gray right july. Yeah yeah it's like you gotta you gotta stop into the stores and pretend you see that dot the i feel like you know. I'm sure i've done nothing. But i forget about that. That's a good. That's a legit. That's a legitimate awesome. New york tip for more test. Is the one thing that you miss about new york though. Oh gosh the people watching which granted has changed any way because so many people have left. Newark on the people watching snake favored. I love like just. I always say is that new york is not written. Nature nature is rich. People nature So you watch all of you. Yeah yeah but here is more like nature nature. So i'm just like out in the parking on mike okay different. Yeah where the weird house. But new york waiters are very different from la weirdos realize takes a few weeks maybe even months to settle in the pacing down from new york right. It is your slow here vanessa. I can't i am in the middle. Miami's in the middle. Like new york is like like miami's like her. Elliot's like russian. Going miami like like you need that. I know we were supposed to. But i'm gonna i'm gonna ask yourself really do you want this is say because sometimes like wait not difficult but you have that new york vast lake life rate like that lifestyle from. Yeah i mean. I did but even when i was in new york people with tell me time and time again they do. You have a real l. a. Vibe and i never really got it until i came to relate hundred people. Yeah i get insult. I get back handed comment now. It's it's it's alright him unsettling into it and then of course you know former came out on all this stuff solve a cool. I made the move at the right time and starting new york. My my la chapter pardon It's it's been good. I like it so far. That's who was a year before it came to netflix. And while it was playing right or is it two years. It came out in spring two thousand eighteen veteran. Yeah maybe end end did you. I mean i'm sure it's possible but like how did it feel when it first came over is came out of netflix was a whiplash. Yeah it was kinda like whoa okay. You know. Of course like your social media numbers rise and stuff. Ns pettus also like. You're just really proud of it. You know what i mean. It's out released into the world tomorrow. People like whole disney's i mean you know. We haven't defied his well. We're going to youtube. I tony i know you had a question but then after that i can get into some is wanted earlier. You said you're from new jersey. Where in new jersey. I lived there for a year. And i might. I think you can spend especially after a few drinks. You gotta love You do pretty. That's a pretty good took the oath already immune to derail the conversation. I stopped everything. Cold group in town called lodi northern jersey. Not many people know about it. But i like to help them located on like the misfits from there. Okay i like cute little tag with it. he'll ya yeah in in your columbia. Yes first generation family. Yes but where is your family from columbia but without yeah you're gonna be on By golly okay. A lot of whilst colombian frontier are linear ordinal. What the miami connection. Yeah suzy cadillac is also another friend back. Yeah i'm like it's a listen Connection all end northern is gone who was on hinted by one episode. Night women's work. Yes oh sorry is nobody knows. I think that's it. No no i. You'd focused on louder. Okay yeah. I love that when we're gonna get into some fan questions because here's the thing. San questions sometimes are wild. And i love it but i'm going to try to get through a pass if it's some and i will say first off you did get a lot and i love to listen. I love even a compliment especially to another woman and you got a lot of compliments. Say you are nothing. I don't have questions. You are just so beautiful i love you i love i love you know i love you so much does not. Yeah an interesting was. What's your favorite singer. Yup which. I also think. These questions are cool when it's very generic and not like those big because here's the thing like people want to know about you. What are you. Listen to wait. I i am a singer. Billy shared that. Oh this is the first time you mentioned this. Are we breaking this story. Is this an exclusive. I something i picked up in. The pandemic was like just doing vocal warm ups. Each day became a habit and and singing. Yeah it was a great stress reliever. I love neighbor. Yeah they probably like goes again. I like to imagine that like it's like a like a rhythm of the day though for the. Oh it's totally. I love so many so many voices. female voices fucking law. Sorry not wave hurry this. I'm not the only by words. Barbra streisand top on when she so i i love. Roberta flack justice. Oh god donna. Summer was from my youth. I have like later funding. Memory of donna summer i love karen carpenter's voice dixon to a certain part of my life And just so many. I mean there's just so many beautiful voices china. I think of of other ones. They're just not coming but the donna. Summer was hilarious. 'cause i grew up in in the eighties to records and i remember like the record cover of batgirls and like i love the song ring. My bell course not knowing like you know what for what it was about changing periods in schools. Oh just working a springing the cows. Everybody's like googling. Yes you got the time over. It was like the covid just like sit and look at it and just like playing the record and my mom at one point was like that record. Don't look at that because it was like you know the cover was pretty like justice. But i was just like what are these ladies doing. Yeah old i was in So yeah i mean so many great singers. So i love singers yay awesome. I rang. we're gonna get into the next question from the vans okay Hello from melbourne would be would. Would we be seeing carmen pool. A few karate moves on the bad boys and just to piggyback. We got a lot of questions asking that you can follow on that. If you do know karate and if you'll be doing any so a little mix of data for us. I i know right i i we me and my siblings did take karate when i was younger but i have to say i was like the shalaabi kid who liked never wanted to go to karate class. Like kissel breakable. The i was just like any way to get out of it. I was trying to once. I was there. I really enjoyed it My brother made it to black belt and my sister on the youngest of three me and my sister made it to high brown and then for some reason we just dropped out like i think it was. I was pretty young. Maybe like eleven or twelve. And i mean i basically do whatever my older sister day so she dropped out at eight so feels pretty. It's there though right. i thinks yeah. Yeah it's right before black though. Only it's like it's like kid karate like i don't feel like you should definitely go back and retroactively. Finish up i do. We need to find a picture to a black belt. Got back throwback would be so embarrassed. I like maybe a meat house started how it started going. Isn't it while though sometimes how that happens like you like were a dancer. Whatever and and maybe you don't do it for a while you become an adult like because we have heard like other stories like that and then like just. It's like serendipity it just kind of like happens and you're like yeah do karate. I know right exactly i'm like i don't i nine miami. My dad didn't let me made me do ballet in karate. Oh that's how the school that's the schools. Were girl valet. Boys do karate was with old school and then like i had to like bag to do baseball because i to continue belly. Wow that's a refresher now. I feel like i thinking my parents were Non gender rising mine. Yeah so that's that is very yeah. That's for real. I think that's a big thing. Because i think like again like before like it wasn't that much like that analysis is much i mean it's changing so much like even the they just had the first female and black baseball coach in emo being in the in the red sox which was like i hate the red sox but also i learned of this. You know and and you're right it is it is changing a little. You know it's changing. Thank god even more but okay next question. This is what's a clown ser- well might guy. That's one of the girls those one of the girls. Yeah i happen to ask because we already talked about that. Had to bring them up. I don't know what that meant. Guess oh i i actually. I don't. I don't know if i could talk about this long. Gave us the bullet points. The on this own the world would never noticed. Meet after i lost. No we lost question. I know that it's it's a term that me in an ex boyfriend of mine up with and it's like a term of endearment but it's also like hilarious because it was born out of a skit that remains to be my my favorite kim peel skit on their Their their search for terry's on the airplane here is that why remember now called. There's so many. I'm like oh funny. And at the end they do this. Little quiz. Like uc of terry's on it and playing like what do you do abc. And it was like csi drag stem scouts. Yeah so like. I don't know we term. It just kept on my vernacular yet totally so we probably and then i started calling my girlfriend's scouters and then they're really confused and i should stop right here. I love it i love. I love that we still got an explanation. Good shame i thought it was another another exclusive another here. That means that you got to come up with your first single clown. Yes totally meet again a question. We're getting a lot is about you and johnny. I'm sure people probably. Dm a lot about that. They wanna know. Do you like do you wanna. How do you feel about the relationship. What he wants a character people are asking. What what if this wall sect. Miguel spoiler alert. I'm halfway now. I can't wait for his benefit. I don't know meal earphones. we we can't be spoiling. Its yes spoiler. But i can't say too much about season three is already out. So i can't yesterday but It's really nice that people get behind. Carmen johnny so wholeheartedly and with so much like belief in faith it needs really really like. Oh my god so sweet. It's really nice when people can get behind an onscreen couple when you're rooting for unscreened couple. It's amazing that you you believe in their Your intial possibility. Yeah it's it's so funny by instinct graham Feet was always looking. If johnny all this stuff is very noah people are like i like that. Yeah i will yeah. Yeah and you're kinda like. I am actually not the character by they forget but it's actually nice as a testament to how how real it is. You really need it and which. That's yeah exactly and i. I consider myself lucky. Because billy plays johnny. Bill is up guys legitimising. Him being really is any super generous and we just have fun. And it's it's been nice on your pantheon with the with the with the ross's and the rachel's yeah. Yeah yeah. yeah what's the one from. The seventies does chacha laps. Oh johnny loves johnny spin off. Yeah west you know before we go. I wanna make sure that you know we. You know if there's anything that you can give us any hot deeds. Maybe some behind the scenes Hot chief man. Before we go from cobra kai yes she chooses not not for season four. Because i know nothing know nothing okay. 'cause they were asking for season four but it won't stop obviously insatiable. Yeah we're we're locked down all the details of of when we're gonna film that in. Yeah you know. End this new world of of a group creativity. You know while being safe so so yeah we shall see by definitely in the works and we're all very excited to get back to work. Yes yeah okay. we'll take. We'll take that we'll take achieve me okay so if you can let everybody know all your handled if you have anything else premiering anything else coming out that you plug and i actually am working on some music with. Oh what. what is another loser here. So that i don't know when the music will come out but I am on the second season of bonding which is managed young riot really re created by writer toil on his life experiences as a bodyguard. Her dominatrix yes. Real life yeah and john. A mutual friend darcy darcy card. She was in the season win. all all. It's a sheet. Do they comedy she at yet. Yes she's i. Plays janet on the good place to Okay yeah yeah. I didn't get to work with her. But okay we'll the whole cast was luckily in great and we shot it in january of two thousand twenty so right the modern out and shot in new york. So i'm really excited to see. Yeah some do you know what happened coming out on the twenty seven at this month. Twenty seven inch netflix. Seen own do yeah and then Onto handles for everybody they can follow you and get to see. Those karate throwback picks and music of guys so Yet get out your pen and paper at a spell it out for you. It's very venus is my handle in that. Spelled vary like the word v. e. r. y. and then venus which is just a letter. V and s and Yeah that's me on instagram. also twitter. But i'm not so savvy on twitter but i'm trying okay. That's the hard i feel like. That's the hardest one out of all social. Get on it. And i'm like it's a whole different language. Post a little overwhelming for money. It's a lie. Well thank you. We love you so excited that we got to have you on. And you know remote vanessa so make sure you guys follow her. We'll tag her with this episode and you can follow us at spanish presents on aegean then you can follow me at nicely on g and on twitter. Follow me on instagram out. Of course it's carlos. You can follow me on instagram and twitter at ozzy milk. You can follow me at marissa tone day. I'm at the tony rodrigue on the at thank you guys for having me. You guys are all amazing. All just you enjoyed chatting with you and i hope i get to chat with you again. Talk on your meet up white. We'll do a venal. A distance of distance night at some point or maybe when the girls we get vaccinated and then it's like whatever safely on your be invited to party. Eared get waxed never michael thank you thank you thank you.

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365: Convicted Edition

The Scathing Atheist

1:00:00 hr | 1 year ago

365: Convicted Edition

"Warning have been saving up some cuss words over the last couple of weeks. This week's episode of the scathing atheist is brought to you by Roger Stone's prosecutorial team and they're gone gone and they just be gone. Here's the gone. We're and now the skating atheist get I. This is Eli is a strain an exit coach and despite the fact that he lies a very naughty boy. Boy G. Boy Jingo Boy Karaki. He's bloody right when he says that we did in fact evolve from Filthy Monkey Me Thursday February thirteenth. And if you WANNA podcast Dave Year. This is the episode to help you do it except now this year. Thou no allusions Bosnian He thin right and from Joe Rogan's New Jersey Swing state and good husband Georgia. This is the skating atheist. This week's episode. We talk about the moral beacon. That is Mitt Romney. You'll remember right now to go to a florist and get price gouge by the Martin Shkreli Roses and Hillary Morgan Fair-. We'll try to figure out how to doubt skepticism. But I the diatribe. When the media talked about Mitt Romney's decision to vote to remove trump from office every outlet. I saw was careful to give religion. No little bit unearned. Positive publicity right. They all pointed out that he did because of his religious convictions. And I'm over here asking. What are the kind of convictions? He has railway. What'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAN? He did this because of his religious convictions and just his convictions right now. Don't get me wrong. I get that Mormons have plenty of religious convictions of the rest of us. Don't share and if Romney just voted to remove him from office because he was a coffee drinker that kept divorcing. One wife before marrying the next it would make perfect sense for the media to point out. How religiously motivated it was but the moral precepts we're talking about is bribes are bad there's no Mormon doctrine on bribes that diverges from the standard. So when they say. This was motivated by his religious convictions. They're not claiming he has different moral standards to way trump by they're claiming as different moral standards to weigh himself by is now that he has different morals than non. Religious people are less religious people. He has the same morals just better and I'm sure many people would be tempted to excuse all of this as the media. Just pass it along. Romney's own assessment of the situation. He said is religion made him do it and reporters are just dutifully relaying that message but if I did a good thing and then I told the Fuck and press. Yeah well you know he was obviously guilty and I have very high moral standards ever since I try ZIPRECRUITER DOT com and use Promo Code. Scathing I don't think they'd be as quick to fuck and reasoning right if you said you did a good thing because of your atheism sure they might report on the fact that you said that. But they'd all distance themselves from the statement as clearly as they could win. They did and yet when the commentary comes about Romney has all from people who are buying into this. His God made him do it. Line Shit all the way and maybe other people are tempted to overlook it. Because you know like what else are they going to say? I mean is a CNN. Pundit just going to say well. Mitt. Romney crossed the aisle because he's more moral than the rest of the Republicans. The obviously is our that is just yes and why the fuck would even a theoretical person not think that was the correct answer but also by the standards that people in Congress measure themselves by isn't anymore insulting for CNN imply that these people are less moral than Romney than it is to imply that they're less religious ray when people imply or even by the implication that Mitt Romney took a moral stand because of how religious he was there? Reinforcing despicable bigotry against the nonreligious. If we set aside our cynicism and grant him only the most altruistic motives that best we can say he took this moral stand because of how moral he was. But the words moral and religion are not fucking synonyms and when they're used interchangeably. It implies that you and I were not even capable of reaching that fucking story playing field of morality that religious people stand on right but it but look if religion was correlated with conviction. Wouldn't congress be loaded the fuck up with it after all every single goddamn member of Congress religious one hundred percent? It's not just the most religious body in the country is the most religious body that's theoretically impossible and if you really WANNA lead into your bigotry and declared that the Christian religion is better than the others. Although the absolute paragon of ethical integrity should be the group of people. Mitt Romney distinguished himself from by doing the minimally ethical thing of course religious people would defend themselves from this charged by turning into the GODDAMN Scottish immigration services. Oh well you're not true Christians. They say they are to get elected. And you know what that might actually mean something. If just saying that wasn't their whole fucking thing right teller. Jesus he forgives you as the only qualification for their Club. And if we're doubt what people tell us about their religion. Why did we only start doing that after we endorse this story about? Mitt Romney and his moral convictions. I mean I think I can prove empirically that I'm all in favor of doubt in every goddamn thing. Religious people say about their religion so long as we're not being random about dead shit. In this instance the Notre Scotsman Fallacy isn't just covering up the problem it is the problem. Despite all the evidence to the contrary as soon as a religious person shows some puck and hit two morality our culture says wow look how religious he is and when the same person bullies the gay kid her tortures the Family Dog? They fucking exact same culture looks at the exact same person says well. He's not be very Christian right now. Busy and I've gotta say it's really depressing to reflect on the fact that there is literally. No amount of child rape complicity. That's going to break that rhetorical habit right. Even after we learned that the world's largest religious institution actually is what the others think Comet Ping Pong. Is We still shorthand morality with references to religion. We had the modifier religious before conviction instinctively. Even though it doesn't modify anything hell. I've caught myself using churchgoing as a euphemism for moral person so to be clear here. Convictions are what you have. When a universal moral precept compels you to act in an ethical way religious convictions are what you have at the end of the child rape trial or at least. That's what you fucking have. If we had that I kind. They're talking back joining me for headlines tonight or a sight for sore eyes and a sight to behold in fact one of the best parasites I know he had right knee. Life boss fell. Are you as attached to a hostess? He is to you. I think we all feel each other's presence. I see what you did there. Thank you I love you more than you love me but whatever. I don't know how to express right in our lead story tonight listeners. In our nation's capital may have noticed the fabric of the universe tearing apart and a fairly large event horizon over the Washington Hilton last Thursday morning jarring. But don't worry. Donald Trump and a bunch of evangelical scwhab domestic political terrorists causing a black hole of hypocrisy to form during the national prayer. Breakfast trump gave a speech to that secret theocracy cabal about the perils of justifying moral actions by invoking one's faith so that is why time became space in space became time for a little space there but the dimensions are back down. So it's fun and now I'll be talking about people who over Tan more. That's my bad tyler. Can we get a trash bag to cover that? And some tape. So he's I don't mean to embarrass you here but warning. Dc residents about the hypocrisy black holes warning New Yorkers. There's going to be traffic on the bridge okay. True program every morning but that's not embarrassed at all trump walked out and immediately started waving around newspapers including a copy of the Washington Post that said trump acquitted on the front page. But you know. They print a bunch of fake news in that paper so everyone in the crowd. Golly confused it's not clear. Yeah right right noisy. It's like when Ken Ham finds that one sentence of science. That seems to agree with him. Yes suddenly now Colonel Shores. No absolutely not. But regardless most trump's speech basically a victory lap about just barely not getting convicted of the crimes that were fully acknowledged even by the Republican Senators. Who voted to acquit him. I I guess that's a victory if you switch around time and space I actually. It's still not doesn't matter though 'cause he'd already started saying Jesus really loud and started talking about Christianity and then he went on to explain quote. I don't like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong when you probably saw the event horizon start having a ham right and we should point out that like this was for the National Prayer Breakfast Right. Yeah Right. Surprised to be a bunch of Weirdo boy. Do we all believe in talking ghosts? Speeches and trump used it to talk about his enemies list and getting away with treason. I will see that raise you ally this bizarre for like Donald Trump at the national prayer breakfast rate is the first time he was there. He spent most of his time. Making Fun of Arnold Schwarzenegger's TV ratings. So this was weird that you did. Yeah and just to be clear that comment. It was definitely aimed at Nancy. Pelosi and even more so at Mitt Romney right. Of course Romney was the only Republican senator to be intellectually honest and vote to convict trump of the crimes that everyone agreed he committed. And when I just said intellectually honest actually meant The Opposite Romney's vote and Knicks. By saying he was guided by his Mormon faith. Which is a terrible fucking reason to do that for anything to ever do pretty much nonetheless the entire audience. The Prayer Breakfast gave a big ovation and agreed with trump. But for the wrong reasons again. We're at level three wrongness minimum. These people thought Romney was wrong because I guess he has the wrong religion slightly. He's Mormon Republican Christian instead of Jeez Uh Republican Christian and you know if you're a Jesus Republican Christian justifying terrible behavior actually correct behavior in this case but remember level three wrongness here memory justifying your behavior with the right religion is the ultimate incorrectness to them except they were not aware of this policy. Thanks to that third layer of wrong. And maybe the inversion of space. Time which does complicate things so e-eh looking to leave off maybes man. I don't WANNA put too much pressure on you but if you have to do a correction on this story we're GONNA need a higher fucking Leonardo DiCaprio just to keep track of the layers. We cannot afford Leonardo tap militia. Little Hick is we'll switch reds based I will pay him by the like the mile instead the our our Nice Yeah Nice so I think we would have found a problem with religion here. It ruins everything it's motive thought care really coexist with the fundamental laws of the universe. Even when you get something right you didn't really get it right and it leads to situations. This is the most important part where Mitt Romney is. The fucking good guy in a story. We can't. It's a weird one. Eight is a weird one and in not a June versity news tonight. Someone who sounds an awful lot like he needs three new best. Friends has given the University of Texas one million dollars to study secular Americans and done it was Noah knows does sound like somebody who needs three best new best friends. Yeah exactly so. The question is handsome person who I love very very much. Brian Bolton a retired research psychologist author of Ten Books Winner of twelve research awards and his former field and he also has possibly my favorite meat. A member interview ever published by the is pretty great best part. This is all in a row in his answers to this little interview thing. I'm a humanist minister distinguished toast master the highest black belt in karate and we're all GonNa die next on the docket for everybody as eternal nonexistence. Yea Hey so to be clear when Eli makes fun of like when he does the risk control jokes. He's talking about other or black belts than you right like the ones whose asked you obviously kick with your risk. Control is examined while Bolton or or the bolt as we'd probably call. You decided to our best friends. We'd like very much ham together. Yeah so while. He doesn't have a personal connection to the University of Texas. He's providing a much-needed first step in the field of research. Ut will be the first public university to have an endowed chair for secular studies which is super fucking depressing when you say. Compare it to. How many endowed chairs for Christian apologetic ever? Yeah how many do that so many lot. So obviously this is great. News and the secular community is very grateful to Bolton but we hear the scathing atheist are ready to take it one step further. Hit IT Morgan. I don't think we are pleased. No Hi I'm Bosnich. And I'm heath and right refine nation as thousands of religious universities millions evil just thousands but here at the skating atheist. We're ready to change that introducing the Scathing Institute for doctoral studies or as our students call it sits. Wow that that is unfortunate acronym anyway we're GONNA go with that for now. Pin that here it sids. I guess we provide an educational curriculum. We feel confident is full of truth things as much as any religious school more if you count. Byu and Liberty University. That's right we've got the head of our history and science department no illusions and head of our political science department. He then right an ally. Bosnich heading up the humanities is you technically can't be wrong about those things so you'd like jump start on your education. Ask Brian Bolton to give us one million dollars scathing institute for doctoral studies exactly as good as Byu all right. No I endorse it. I'm all about it. I'm good now. He's no illusions and he approves this dented and scratched news tonight. Atheists have reason to celebrate this week it turns out that almost two-thirds of Americans aren't big enough to tell a stranger on the phone. They wouldn't vote for a well-qualified atheist presidency in related news. We need to find better. Shit celebrate but yeah so this comes to us from recent Gallup poll and it's a question that they've been asking for more than half a century right. They started asking a back in nineteen fifty eight and it wasn't until as recently as like episode a one hundred and twenty-one of this show that a majority of Americans said yes they would vote for qualified person even if they only believed in real stuff and as of the survey released deadly the group's swelled all the way up from fifty eight percent to sixty percent crushing it. And you guys said I could never run for president. You think atheism is what's holding you back there but yeah sticking point it was like I just said you couldn't run okay. I didn't see the story. Here is definitely that forty percent of the country is so big it against us. They don't even feel the need to lie about it on the phone to his stranger because look on the same survey sixty six percent of Americans said that they would vote for a well-qualified Muslim. That's definitely bullshit right. Ninety three percents for well qualified woman and yet only twenty seven percent of them. Did we have data on that only? Yeah and it's important to be reminded that well we're certainly not the most oppressed group in the country and a lot of ways for still the most hated or sorry not overstated. We are at least like we're the was the biggest don't know they're supposed to lie about hating really. Yeah that fucking matters a lot especially when it means that. Rationality Damn near disqualifies a person for leadership. Yeah like we started out with laws. That black people in atheists couldn't hold office but only one set of those rules is still around. Pau Unless you count Georgia. Well there's charges but real quick before. Eli says that we should be allowed to say slur words. We're aware difference there. Those are different. That being said the fact that we'd actually have to remind the KKK that they hate to that does say look. I'm sorry I'm brave enough to say atheists have it worse than African Americans family. Not The point. I also worth noting by the way that the only thing they asked about. That rate is lower than atheist was socialist. Jesus don't send me an email about that Senate a Gallup or you know the fucking fifty five percent of people who said they wouldn't vote for what literally the only group that they asked about was a majority of people were like. Oh fuck that noise. It's also the only group that had less support among the American population than it had when they did this five years by the way. And if you want a great dose of depression juice when you exclude religious considerations the four lowest ranking groups according to Gallup in terms of America's willingness to vote read like a goddamn intentional description of the Democratic Front runners it's gala slash lesbian under forty over seventy and socialist cheeses. Also my okay cupid profile. That's real scary. That's literally Iowa New Hampshire. You just read I sure. Did everybody one electable here. Grant and burn and burn essentially an atheist to write like if John if we could fuck and Goddamn Mayor Pete to convert to Islam. We'd have the. We'd have the bottom six all lockdown stick. Where did Pete Buddha's you have his honeymoon hopefully not like? I don't know North Korea. What what happened there? We gotta like Fuck and now that we've reached our requisite depression quota. We're GONNA take a quick break and hand things over to my lovely wife. Loosen the horse. Which if it's a legitimate rape interest this week in Mississauga for a lot of years. Republican lawmakers have known they could get pressed by proposing blatantly unconstitutional laws against abortion. The way the cycle worked was that such and such legislature from Mississippi. Or something would introduce a bill that would mark every woman who got an abortion with scarlet letter for two years or something people like myself would freak the fuck out about it. It would get smacked down by the rest of the legislature or the courts and that. Asa would go back to podunk Intel. All of his constituents that he was fighting for their unborn babies now this let a lot of well-meaning people to ask why folks like myself even bothered to get ourselves worked up about it. Why play the pawn in this jackasses game? Well the truth is that women's rights were the pawn in the game. That's the thing. He was willing to sacrifice. And now that those once ridiculous laws are starting to see a sympathetic Supreme Court. The reason we did it is getting a bit more obvious. So here's the latest version of the cycle. Oklahoma State Representative Jim. Olson introduced a bill in his State. That would find any doctor who performed an abortion and take away their medical license for a year for providing a perfectly legal medical procedure. He does work in an exception for cases where women's lives are in danger. But keep in mind that if a law like this came to fruition that would mean that in the moment when a pregnant woman's life was on the line the Doctors Chiefdom Sern might well be whether or not he can prove that that was the case leader and yes. The bills passed the house with an overwhelming majority. Because almost everybody in Oklahoma is fucking terrible. It's not allow yet but given the direction of the political wind who the hell knows and given the direction of the judicial when. I'm not even confident. It would get smacked down anymore and if you need a reminder the extent to which the people fighting for these laws don't understand the consequences of those laws. We got one of the greatest examples of that in history from an antiabortion activist. Named Jamie Jeffries. The pro-life wife. She posted the following on facebook. And sorry in advance for the length of the quote. But you really have to hear all of this quote. I talked to mom out of an abortion in February. Her baby is six months old now and was just removed from her family's custody by DC S. Unfortunately it was probably a justified removal. But this family put me down as next preferred placement for the baby. Dude me no no. No no no no way too much for this work already. A six month old will break me. Destroy my marriage and physical health. I just can't end quote now. This was posted a while back. Apparently but it just recently went viral leading the pro-life wife to spout out a bunch of excuses about all of that being taken out of context as though that were not a self contained story. But I don't WanNa be accused of the same so let me add all of the context here. Jamie Jeffries is a privileged white lady who never actually considered the consequences of her actions and still hasn't and on that note. I'll hand things back over to know he. And Eli thank you Lucinda and next up and headlines We have a story about Arkansas state. Senator Jason Raper so first of all Jason a big congratulations on that goatee finally filling in the gaps at age forty. Buddy could good stuff. Well almost it's almost there almost filled in looking great looking great almost great. You're looking almost great. It's there but once that gap a-list goatee is in full effect. Just Noi you'll be ready for primetime in Nineteen ninety-six but more importantly congrats on just fully embracing the pure evil and fighting to shutdown literally Sesame Street and somehow you found a way to do that based on homophobia. It's almost how it's not. Yeah let me guess. Episodes will no longer be sponsored by the letter G. Okay you joke but how surprised what we really be of. This story ended with Robert. Calling for a boycott on H. Is Ours and the number four three? That's true that's true. So this is a real thing that Arkansas tax dollars pay for their paying Jason. Rapert to spend time monitoring the guests on Sesame Street comparing that to the list of gay actors that he apparently has threatening to shut down the PBS affiliate for the entire state. If they try to Aaron Episode Featuring Tony Award winning actor Billy Porter who is on his weird list. Apparently porter was wearing something other than Hetero man pants in one of the segments. And Jason Rapert. Stupid fucking face. That means Sesame Street is promoting the very dangerous gay puppet agenda and I'm really not exaggerating with that phrasing. You went on facebook and posted a link to an article about this episode of Sesame Street including a picture of billy porter wearing a to be clear fabulous. Tuxedo gown. It's beautiful and expanding thank you. Yeah it does and raper asked the people of Arkansas. The following in that post he said. Do you prove your taxpayer dollars being used to promote the radical. Lgbtq agenda of not. Enough Hetero pants. I guess he did not add. I'm on the clock right now. Attacking Sesame Street. I'm an adult. This is serious. Yeah right now. Would why your taxpayer dollars to be Ms L. Come back. Finish your thought and rapert. Jesus Christ and here's The scariest part of this to me. Well other than the general idea that evil bigots are allowed to hold office and vote in this country but besides that much larger problem. This means that in Jason Reports Mind Sesame Street played a large role in his sexual development. Rubber Ducky Falker Jason. Yeah take the break it to you buddy but Burton Ernie were super gay and yeah they were so were you. Because that's how sesame street work figured it out. It used to it. You're gay and finally tonight and Meggett News right wing activist pastor and self hating Dana carvey character Mike. He appeared on coach. Dave Dobbin Myers Youtube. Show pass the salt last week and announced that he's launching an international crusade inspired by Donald Trump that he's titled the Faggots Are Maggots Tour. Yeah that's that's real so obviously vile slur in the title in fairness though I'm sure they tried to rhyme something with gay and just got overwhelmed because so many right Juku was already taken. Yeah no no. It's the whole thing. So here's what Mike had to say about his. Please don't find out. I'm gay tour quote now. I should point out. This quote is going to be confusing. Because he's made a joke that is identical to this real quote just now so lock in every body quote real quote. The tour is inspired by the work of Donald Trump. This isn't satire. I'M SERIOUS. Yeah fucking satires. Ruining everything you can't be actually evil anymore. Mike he continues. I started supporting Donald Trump early in the twenty sixteen primary. For one reason he insults his enemies he makes things personal. That deserve to be personal. The decades of leftists being the only ones allowed to make everything personal are over. It's long past time for WAAS manners to take a bank to the truth long pastime and quote at the people who literally invented all of the slurred have been nice for too long right yeah Anglo Saxon. Protestants are finally getting their day in the Sun. It's about hey mike coach Dave quick little. Bsa for you if you've been white Christian men in the United States for decades and you haven't been succeeding. It's because you personally are a miserable failure of a person. Yep Yep it's a lot of variables so it's definitely just you just you. You're just bad at stuff. It's confirmed so Mike's vast lack of knowledge about all things aside. What were quick note on this story? Mike IS THE HEAD OF HELPING HANDS MINISTRIES. Which has an active Amazon Smile Account If you're hearing this and you don't want that guy to get charity from Amazon purchases. Maybe go on and let Amazon know that. They shouldn't be given this guy their money because well one he's an asshole and he should have less money but too because when they do kick him off the program he's going to have a meltdown and burn his Nike's or whatever the hands on and we're all going to be here to watch it and make and with a quick reminder that his charity has less oversight than real ones. We're going to close the headlines for the night heath thanks always do Monje and when we come back we'll use the same old words in a brand new or and fold and fold and they're perfect. No that's not gonna it is to going to work guys to. Oh Hey no allies trying to make his own diapers out of toilet paper dude. You should not do that right. Oh would that I could. Noah did you know the diapers cost an average of nine hundred dollars a year format made out of what I mean. Okay but you can't make your own diapers also. That's definitely not a diaper correct. Okay now you sound like Anna. Well what am I supposed to do? 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Help me rewind this toilet paper but honestly the what shape do you think the baby will be like tube? Okay Well Yours. Yeah all the acronyms and your life made too much sense recently. All the words meant the same boring thing it says they mean in. The dictionary has a been unable to be both equal to and not equal to be well. Why not take a break from all that hassle and dive into yet another chapter of Mama Bear apologetic on this week's installment of God awful books all right so quick reminder. We are now in the second part of Mama Bear politics lies. You've heard but didn't know what they were called and we've been eating your not the lies. You haven't never acronym this note okay. Just doing him this time not heard never call it so we've been mutilating anagrams in the name of defeating all the `ISMs Hillary Morgan Fair- doesn't like so far we've done self-help ism which we learned was the belief that anyone but God can fix. You naturalism the belief in stuff. Reality Today Yup. And today will be tackling Chapter Seven. I believe in God if there were any shred of evidence skepticism. Wonderful Hilary Morgan. Farrer is doubtful about doubting stuff. She's GonNa have even more trouble than normal. Making sentences happened this time. She is all right. So we're going to start this chapter with the time in two thousand twelve. That Bart Erman kick the Shit Daniel Wallace in a debate. Which if listeners would like they can watch on. Youtube Channel but Hillary's pretty sure he lost the non and actually. Hillary doesn't WanNa talk about the debate. She wants to talk about one of the deleted scenes. The one Bart Erman is afraid to show you namely when someone during the QNA asks ermine what it would take for him to be convinced that the wording of Mark's Gospel was certain to which earned responded. Ten manuscripts all copied from the original of Mark's Gospel within one week of its completion and quote. And look that's a stupid standard and Hillary admits that and urban later said Yeah. That was a stupid answer to a stupid question but to Hillary. Bats the problem with skepticism. That that it demands too much evidence. Age is she says quote. Erman demanded evidence that doesn't exist for any ancient literary work footnote. We do original documents like shipping logs and receipts but no original documents of literature that would have been copied and circulated bend foot. It's your means not true. Also the topic of that debate was is the original New Testament lost. There's not a number of signed first editions of Mark's Gospel at which I abandoned the scientific method that yes. It has nothing to do with that question. Really funny that she missed the fact that we also don't take any of these other ancient literary works as things that really happened in were definitely said by author we also we get to revisit one of Heath's favorite parts of the case for Christ here when she says quote historians determined authenticity by comparing two things the number of manuscripts recovered and the time gap between the original autographs the copies if you were to stack documents that have survived to this day for an average classical writer it would stand about four feet high if you were to stack the recovered manuscript on the New Testament it would stand about five thousand two hundred eighty feet high true Different from again up to win yesterday. First of all there's no way it's exactly a mile right or even about exactly a mile to a mile other. That's plenty that's all. We really impactful number there. But why wouldn't she just say a mile journey Venus but more importantly I need to see at least ten miles of truth height before for sure. I need to see the truth. I cop immediate copies of truth and of them number So what is Hillary's point? You ask well. You know despite admitting in the footnote that she's full of Shit her point is that if you're gonNA apply those standards then no ancient history is true except for you know. History based on receipts or shipping manifests off. But as she puts it quote when it comes to radical skepticism. Isn't the real issue and radical skepticism out. Bill like the extra medium stake of epistemology radically skeptic why would why would any of this truth hike shit manner and less? We were skeptical of the Bible's age right like I do feel like there's a certain point at which lies just mature into truth or something. Maybe it's possible. GotTa leave that Open Oak. You GotTA GET 'EM Oak Year. So now it's time for implications for skepticism realizing. Malaria is caused by mosquitoes and not the sinfulness of Caribbean people. I'm not sure what she's GonNa use like she's going to have her own. I just WanNa make sure that one listed right up front. Yeah no she didn't use that one H Mo- interesting is going to start off this section by letting US know. She is not against regular skepticism. She loves skepticism. When it means you can still be Christian. What she doesn't like is the mean stupid skepticism of Bart Erman. Or is she puts it quote. You can always put another question between yourself and God. This is why it's so important to ask. Why am I asking this question? Sometimes doubting your doubts is the most rational thing you can do and I and this is definitely where her editor had to cut a nearly infinite section about doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt quick summary Even numbers of doubting is the right way to make it simple so then she's going to do our job for us a little bit more. She writes quote. How much of the Bible includes things that cannot be? Measured counted or physically experimented on probably a lot of it. If not all of it all of it. How do we respond? Do we say oh. No the Bible isn't true because they can't tested in a chemistry lab and then she literally got confused by her own question her very next sentences. Wait what a true real. She continues exact quote. Wait that's not how we test historical documents now. There is no historical document that can be proven in the same way we treat things that are proven physics chemistry and quote. Well not the ones that are wrong. Those guests have proven we can prove heliocentric historical documents science. They maybe didn't make God is more of a humanities kid. Yeah right okay. Sure to clear the argument were getting right. Now is that there are things that are absolutely demonstrably true and then everything else is tied right. Yeah exactly because she concludes quote why to some people treat the Bible like it's the one historical document that has to bear this level of proof and quote? Yeah but those Koran based astronomy classes are mostly just for anti-christian worried but I know citizen all the religious texts. Because those are the only ones people are saying are fucking shrew right. People started saying the Iliad was Goddamn historical account. We'd have to also tell them how stupid they were too. It's not that academia's being unusually hard on your theory is that your theory is usually stupid. Yeah if you walked into the White House and you're like gays can't get married. Caceres turned everyone into pigs. We'd have to know. Turn everyone into all right. So then she's going to explain to was the problem with demanding. Proof of things is that it does away with miracles. Yep Hillary's true. Yeah exactly because she puts it quote once. Miracles are dismissed. You've done away with Christ resurrection. The Miracle on which the entire Gospel hangs sorry folks. You can't have Christianity with the resurrection of Jesus and quote the end League. Yeah you're right. You can't have both Christianity and things that happen in the universe. Why are you telling us? That's like the whole first. Corinthians does she was like big letter being. Listen if you get rid of the resurrection and we all like idiots so must be real and letter. But it's time to give serious. Because as Hillary says quote the new atheists are nothing to laugh at while. We can poke fun at their ideas and methods. Actually that's like the only thing you can't poke fun at support. We definitely got right. Yeah so while. She thinks she could poke fun. At their ideas and methods real quote their influence cannot be underestimated in contemporary online culture. And quote here. That boys were important on the Internet. Was We cannot be undressed. I feel like I can be underestimate definitely under I every time I tell someone podcast so now it's time for a section titled how not to debate an atheist. All right well for answer is send a five page email to the contact page without ever listening to the Goddamn podcast onboard. Eighty sadly is not know. Her answer is that we knew atheists you see we are sneaky. We aren't the. She explained to us that. Each debate has two sides and with all day theism. The argument was there is no god versus. There is a god but the new atheists have quote redefined atheism as a lack of belief and quote. God She's painting clarification as a dirty trick renewed literally because as H. Roe puts it quote. The new atheists are essentially saying the soles of my shoes are base. Thus anywhere they stand they are safe. The other person has the burden of proof. No matter which argue when I use I keep being wrong. They must be Q. U. E. So now it's time to roared like. I'm finally are mangle this first up. We're going to recognize the mess at our Yup and message of skepticism is atheism which to be fair. It is It's one of infinity different messages subject. Yeah Yeah and she. Lets US know at the outset? That she's GONNA use atheists own quotes against us here so point number one of atheism. 's message if you can't know everything for sure you can't know anything for sure or is hitching said quote unquote. We can't say ABC's there is no God and there is no afterlife we can say there is no persuasive evidence for it and quotable quote at which. Point Hill dog was like fuck okay hitchens quotas pointing me. Isn't it and seen moving on to the next thing here a hill? It's only using our words against us. If if we don't still win the argument you just do. Does it mean it's against us? I throw your pocket okay. Point of our message came back and hit me in the head. That was impressive. Actually how did you guys do that boomeranged so point? Two of the atheism message. Religion is child abuse. So yes YEP Right I'm the guy on the couch with popcorn me. Let's hear it. I WanNa hear what she thinks about. Religion is child abuse. And how that's on her side and the point. That's that's true. Yes it's Oh it's not no. It's not true again here so she asked explain that away. It's not let let me tell you why. Here's how she ends that section quote. If how is a real place as the Bible says it is then? It's definitely not child abuse to make your kids aware of it. That is correct. Just yes with that. Stipulation you're right just go ahead. You don't have to describe past what scripture does essentially trying to scare them toward salvation but they should definitely know how miserable and eternity without God will be end quote about how. It's not child abuse. Hey I know Hillary Morgan Fair- quick question about these cemetery fund next our message number three. Oh we're not gonNA talk about conversion therapy or not teaching them or sorry message number three. Let's move on okay. Message Number three atheism man is not equal to God. He's better and doesn't have any quotes from atheists in this section. She's just like you think you're so smart. I bet you think you exist. Don't you know? Look I concede this? What if there is one thing that this book proves? It's that existing isn't necessarily better than not existing. There are plenty of atheists. That would be better. Yeah it's more like God Yup message number. Four belief. In God is some sort of wish fulfillment akin to believing in Santa Claus to which she literally responds quote. Ask those who have lost a child if they believe in Christ simply because it's easy and quote it's not easy to believe in God who created dead children and argument myself again for that but he'll look unless her assumption is that people with dead kids are taking comfort in the fact that at least they won't have to see that little asshole in the afterlife. I have no idea what point she's even trying to make. Yes of course. That's why specifically that group of bamboo split that for them for sure. All the books in the room are hitting her in the face and finally the last message of skepticism. Religion keeps us from asking questions which Hilary wants us to know is totally untrue in chapter about why skepticism this past yup no. It's not that it keeps you from asking questions. It keeps you from listening to the Goddamn answers right like it's perpetual question. That is our issue. Yeah well it's actually better than that because she basically spends this section agreeing with us. She says quote Christian should have evidence for what they believe and quote but again her definition of evidence is the relative height of ancient talk. What about wets she never talks? Roaring what about time of ancient and Shit Space and time are the same thing. Yeah all right so we're roaring so now it's time to oh offer discernment and Man. She is really going to give away the game in this section when she says quote. I can't say enough. Good things about healthy skepticism No she can't that is true. That is true. What isn't healthy is a demand to know everything. Say what you will. But at least she's genuine. She put your brain wear mouth. She continues quote. This is especially true when it comes to the problem of evil we are not a mission we will never fully know the mind of God and why he allow certain things to happen sometimes. He may withhold clarity from US until we learn a specific lesson. I and quote okay. I painted the fence and sanded the floor. Now you gave my child face candidate still still. No sorry my skepticism. It's getting out of hand right. Sorry I should've worshiping you. Yup so so. God is firmly ensconced as a Batman Villain at best according to Hillary. But it's we're going to a argue for a healthier approach and again. Hmo is going to hit us with that idea that Christianity loves skepticism. Unlike other religions quote Christianity is the only one that has testable claims and invites rational inquiry. And go what cool which testable claims no. Yup. That's it. She doesn't tell us what those claims are. She just assures us that Christianity has details of truth. Does your book. And it's worth pointing out that in the last section her answer to the problem of evil was maybe God was teaching you a lesson with baby face cancer why to be fair. I think of all kinds of testable claims Christianity makes right as they say that products are clinically tested. Yes they exactly and Mama Bear approved. So now it's time to our reinforce through discussion discipleship prayer really good section coming now rare nailing it. I mean so. She's got two things to do here. The first is let your kids ask questions and let them know when you don't have answers to those questions which is great except we know that she doesn't believe in any of the true answers to those questions right. So exact comes across less as good advice and more like a Spanish inquisitor explaining that. He's just curious. How did the Spanish inquisition work nuts? Good Skepticism Child And of parenting. What was it was it like? I actually yeah. Sorry I said end of parents don't do that. And now it's time for discussion questions. Are you guys ready? Sure why not mall right icebreaker. If you were to ask God one question. What would it be and why? Hey God yeah have a seat? What would you say? When did you stop beating your chosen ones? Two main theme here is healthy skepticism. And there's unhealthy skepticism. Describe the differences between healthy and unhealthy skepticism. Why should we encourage our kids to have healthy skepticism? How can we tell when skepticism has turned unhealthy? Okay wait answer that. She's actually looking for here. Skepticism as healthy when kids apply to things that we don't bother to lie to them about and he yeah number three self evaluation. People often fall into the trap of either answering every question with only God knows just have faith or by responding to every answer but what about blank in other words. Some people don't seek answers to any of the tough questions and others are never satisfied. No matter how good. The answers draw a horizontal line a piece of paper with blind faith two chapters in a row. We have all pay with blind faith. Betty on one end never satisfied Nancy on the other. Where do you think you fall on the spectrum fucked? I drew the line vertically. I'M GONNA have to wait a minute. Hold on a second did fucking doubting Donna. Pullout on them at the last minute was never satisfied. Tc doing here with the folks. At the opposite of blind faith become living perpetual dissatisfaction and be honest about her scale from one to ten. Without a whole argument. Coming apart. You turn is really not on our side. Let's work with never satisfied Nancy. All right brainstorm compile a list of questions. Your kids have asked you that. You didn't know how to answer. I bet it's a big fucking. Liz Really WanNa talk. If you're part of a group create this list together. Keep this this somewhere that allows you to easily access to it and add to it like on your phone or in your purse. A whole bunch of Hillary Morgan. Farah fans definitely now have a piece of paper in purse. That says like why would the Holocaust happened today? I really wish I could watch them. Explain that when it falls out. That's going to happen once in a while. Y'All hey Karen Williams favorites is. Why would the Holocaust happened on it? Fucking candies the hyper skeptic. Sorry all right. Finally release the bear. Ask Your kids what questions they have for. God if they can't think of any big one group put on the Master List have a family night to research the answer. Obviously don't take questions you can't answer like did Jesus ever have head Lice and actual question as Bhai One of our Mama. Bear kids recently. She says okay all right so if your friends honestly believe that there is an all knowing being in the universe and yet cannot think of a single bless. Your friends are Goddamn Pre Mulch Lady. Get better for just set yourself on fire in the hope some of them will burn with you and well. She takes care of that. We're going to go off for the night. 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"Arkansas governor signs near-total abortion ban into law by andrew. D'amico rock arkansas. Arkansas governor asa hutchinson on tuesday signed into law legislation banning nearly all abortions in the state a sweeping measure that supporters hope will force the us supreme court to revisit its landmark roe v wade decision but opponents vowed to block before it takes effect later this year. The republican governor had expressed reservations about the bill which only allows the procedure to save the life of the mother and does not provide exceptions for those impregnated. In an act of rape or incest. Arkansas is one of at least fourteen states where legislators have proposed outright abortion bans this year hutchinson said he was signing the bill because of its overwhelming legislative support and my sincere and long held pro-life convictions. The bands were pushed by republicans. Who want to force the us supreme court to revisit. Its nineteen seventy-three roe. V wade decision legalizing abortion nationwide conservatives believed the court is more open to striking down the decision following former president. Donald trump's three appointments to the court. We must abolish abortion in this nation. Just as we abolish slavery in the nineteenth century all lives matter. Republican senator jason rapid. The bill's sponsor said in a statement hutchinson as signed several major abortion restrictions into law since taking office in two thousand fifteen but he had voiced concerns that this bill directly challenges. Row and about the lack of rape and incest exceptions. He repeated those concerns as he announced his decision. The ban is in contradiction of binding precedents of the us supreme court but it is the intent of the legislation to set the stage for the supreme court overturning current case law. He said in a statement released by his office. I would have preferred the legislation to include the exceptions for rape and incest which has been my consistent view and such exceptions would increase the chances for a review by the us supreme court as the legislature considered the measure hutchinson shared with lawmakers a letter written by an attorney for abortion opponents national right to life that said the chances of the bill leading to row being overturned were very small and remote national right to life. Didn't take a position on the bill though. It's arkansas affiliates supported the ban. the legislation won't take effect until ninety days after majority republican legislature adjourns. This year's session that means it can't be enforced until this summer at the earliest abortion rights. Supporters said they planned to challenge the ban in court before then. The american civil liberties union of arkansas called the band. Cruel and unconstitutional governor hutchinson. We'll see you in court a. c. l. u. of arkansas executive director. Holly dixon said this is politics at its very worst. Alexis mcgill johnson. President of planned. Parenthood action fund said in a statement at a time when people need economic relief and basic safety precautions. Dismantling abortion access is cruel dangerous and blatantly unjust hodgkinson had until wednesday afternoon to take action on the bill before it would become law without his signature. A move past governors have taken to express displeasure with the bill without risking and override fight with the legislature. It takes a simple majority for the legislature to override. A governor's veto in arkansas. Arkansas has some of the strictest abortion measures in the country and two years ago hutchinson into law a measure that would ban the procedure. If the road decision was overturned another measure hutchinson signed in two thousand nineteen banning abortions after eighteen. Weeks of pregnancy is on hold due to a legal challenge. Several other restrictions are still being considered in the legislature including one approved by the senate a day earlier that would require a woman having an abortion to first be shown an ultrasound. Another sweeping abortion ban was signed into law by south carolina's governor last month but was quickly blocked by a federal judge due to a legal challenge by planned parenthood alabama enacted a near-total ban on abortions and twenty nineteen that has been blocked because of court challenges.

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07:57 min | 1 year ago

Entertainment News 07/30/20

"Did, you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies? That's fifteen percent on top of what Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? Okay. Mom I empty the dishwasher vacuum, the basement and folded the sheets out of the Dryer, what Oh, and next I'm clean Mittens litterbox, some kind of prank show or something. That's a camera is an. There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit Geico, dot, com for details. Today's entertainment news. Tiffany Haddish discussed the idea of motherhood with NBA star. Carmelo Anthony on his podcast tiffany says one thing that scares her is bringing a child into a racist world. Take a listen I'm older now over and people is like begging when you're gonNA have. Bayden. Drafts and babies, and and as a part of me that would like to always make the excuses like, oh, i. need a million dollars in the bank before etc I mean that really is like I would hate to give birth to. Someone that looks like me and then knowing that they're going to be hunted or killed, you know like, why would I put some work through that? She was talking about racism and she went on, you know Carmelo, he's a father. So they kind of talked about you know parenting a little bit and you know being black and she says, there's hope because she participated in black lives matter in the protests. Motions talking about motherhood though very much. I saw she very emotional. I mean you believe it or not. A lot of people feel that way. They do not WanNa bring kids into this racist world. A lot of P-. She's not the only one she did speak. My kids and. I'm back on track down, I? Like having my children on. I'm just very protective and make sure they don't run into the. Role, as much as I can. Put. My kids right. The good thing about it is L- like you said, Carla. She's not hopeless. She does have some hope for the future hope hoping that it'll get better and Maybe. Around and change? Yes. Steve's the deal God would bring it to the world who wants in this world. You can make any statement you to. Everybody got one in his world be in this world. Yeah. But there's a lot of people that feel like are like Shirley say, scared. To be parents. Yeah. So yeah, because it is the hardest job in the world. Comes with no instruction. Label. Once. You put him in that babies seat on the way out. That's. All right. It's time now for tell me something good news. Now, this is according to the black information network at least six H. US received huge donations from Mackenzie Scott, and if that name doesn't sound familiar to you, let me tell you who she is remember. Jeff bezos. Amazon. Right that's his ex wife. So you know she's got Ta Money Okay She's a billionaire billionaires. Anyway, she gave money to Howard Hampton to Ski Morehouse Spelman and Xavier University in Louisiana They all announced that they received millions or eight figure donations from Mackenzie, Scott, the largest in the university's history universities. History University history. That's really great. That is wonderful. That's. Yeah. She gave a lot of money, but she said that when she with a divorce, she says, she was going to give a lot of her fortune away to charity. He did say that. That's awesome. HSBC you. Thank you. Mackenzie. Miss. This baby. Yeah. That's it. No previews as after. Just looking. Over Mile isn't it. All Right Steve. It's time now for today's headlines Miss and trip. Thank you. Thank you, everybody and good morning. This is Andrew but the news, the governor of Oregon. Says it a deal has been worked out everybody for phased withdrawal starting tomorrow of federal troops who've been clashing with protesters in downtown. PORTLAND, for weeks, actually some of those withdrawals actually will start today, those clashes, of course, the mayor and other local officials say. Say were aggravated actually by the feds because of the way they were treating these peaceful protesters. In fact, the American Civil Liberties, Union's asking a judge to sanction those agents over their treatment of journalists and legal observers of the protests however, and testifying before a congressional committee. This week US attorney. General. William Bar defended his decision to send federal troops into Portland. Because he says, it was only one way to look at things. Around the courthouse cannot reasonably be called protest. It is by any objective measure and assault on the government of the United States well, local community leaders in Portland. Say that the push for real changes still now, Kaley Thorn Lab, put a coalition Together. Call reimagined Oregon. It's no surprise that the federal government is using dehumanizing tactics even now s- acquired our protest the late and great John Lewis also marched in peaceful protests for our civil rights and had his head bashed in with the club. The protests have reminded some and taught other people about Oregon's ugly past, for instance, in state constitution back in eighteen, fifty nine. It was stated that blacks were prohibited from living in the state of. Oregon. The Pentagon has announced that it's preparing to withdraw thousands, of American military personnel from Germany, a process expected to cost billions of bucks. But when asked about the mood the president said, he might reconsider if Germany was to quote start paying their bills, it's assumed that trump was referring to NATO fees. The president was in Texas yesterday for fundraiser. He's told reporters that he may give his presidential nomination acceptance speech. Speech at the White House, since the GOP can't hold a traditional nominating convention because of the Corona virus numbers. Meanwhile, another trump loyalist republican congressman, Louie Gohmert of Texas has tested positive for the coronavirus gohmert proudly refused to wear masks finally. Another, Republican, this one. Arkansas state. Senator. Jason. Rapper. Tested positive for the virus the other day also after refusing to wear a mask and calling mandates for masks draconian and covert nineteen a hoax in fact, for the last three months this guy rapper, it's been sharing articles about how quote liberal quacks have been spreading fear and how covert nineteen is the biggest political hoax in history. But yeah, he's got it. Final home going services are being held. Later, this morning for civil rights icon. John Lewis capping almost a week of ceremonies in his native Alabama in Atlanta and the nation's capital. A Congressman Lewis died last Friday at the age of eighty after losing a battle six month battle against cancer services to be held in Atlanta's famed ebeneezer Baptist Church representative Lewis is to be buried at South View cemetery by. The by the way, the eulogy is to be delivered by former. President. Obama an attendance will be Oh foot foreign presidents. Bill. Clinton and former President George Bush. The US has reached another grim milestone authorities now say over one, hundred, fifty, thousand. Americans. Have lost their lives due to covert nineteen and the CEO's of four big tech companies testify before Congress about censorship yesterday. It's time not about bleach president trump standing by a re tweet of an article by doctor named Stella. Emmanuel. From Cameroon. She's living in Texas Dr. Emmanuel said that the Anti Malaria. Drug. Chloroquine by the way as a cure for the virus, she wants said that some medical conditions were caused by demons and witches having sex with humans in their dreams. Now back to the Steve Harvey. Morning, show you're listening to. Harvey? Morning Show.

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Mass. Legislature Sends "Millionaire's Tax" To Ballot

Radio Boston

13:10 min | 2 months ago

Mass. Legislature Sends "Millionaire's Tax" To Ballot

"This is radio boston. i'm jamie bologna. The massachusetts millionaires tax is going to the ballot. After years of political fighting in court battle battles both chambers of the massachusetts legislature gathered on beacon hill this afternoon and approved amending the constitution to raise taxes on the commonwealth's highest earners. Now that means the so-called fair share amendment will be put on the ballot in twenty twenty two where voters will ultimately decide its fate. Wr steve brown was there today and joins us from our state house. Bureau steve. Welcome back radio boston. Thank you jamie so bringing onto the house floor. This is drama. That's been playing out for years. What was the moment of the final. Vote like yes. Gyros anticlimactic and unsurprising Remember the state house is still closed because of covid so the cheering supporters who were in the gallery Two years ago When when this when this past They were not here today so it was very quiet and an antiseptic. Most everyone knew the outcome of this going in the final vote was one fifty nine to forty one Support for the amendment actually grew by votes from two years ago. The vote back then was one forty seven to forty eight. She said quiet. An antiseptic sort of how all things are these days i guess. What are we hearing from supporters. Yeah they are pleased as you might expect the raise up coalition. That's the group that backed this amendment. They put out a statement. The final vote The statement says that the amendment provides sustainable long term revenue for investments in transportation and public education without asking low and middle income families to pay a penny more now before the vote of a few supporters and opponents made their cases on the floor of the house. Here's state senator. Jason lewis a democrat from winchester arguing. Why this amendment should be put before the voters the reason why the fair share amendment is so popular is that most people recognize that our wealthiest residents can afford to pay a bit more in taxes to help fund investments that expand and make our commonwealth more just and more equitable for everyone. So just how much money are we talking about here. Steve and what does that. Leave us for yeah The supporters say that this should bring an extra two billion dollars. Give or take opponents. Doubt those figures And they put a point to studies claiming that it would actually bring in less all right. So let's let's hear from the opponents. Then what are they saying. Yeah they say that the this could have negative and unintended consequences Here's house republican leader. Brad jones he says the state shouldn't be changing the state constitution to write tax policy. If we mess up on this yes what four year process so if any of the bad things some all or more of the bad things. Some of us have concerns about happen. It's a four year process to fix. So steve why is it a four year. Press to fix it because it's a constitutional amendment that they're proposing that's right because it's done in the constitution as opposed to just a piece of legislation This this process the legislature in two consecutive legislatures has to has to okay it and then twat twice and then it goes before the voters. So it's a three to four year process from from start to finish and it that's cumbersome it's it was intended that way because they didn't want A constitution being changed all the time so they've they made it a little bit trickier a but in order to do this to to Tax one group of people at a higher rate than another that violates the state constitution in and of itself because the state constitution says that we must have a flat tax. Everybody must be taxed the same so they have to do it this way in order to to to allow it to do it now What brad jones had been telling me Yesterday today was that You know okay you can. You can say you can have a graduated income tax but then let the legislature set that tax rate in ordinary legislation legislation. That if you pass it and then a year later your old. Jesus wasn't a good idea. You go back and you can change it. You can repeal it. You don't have to wait through that whole process and what we're talking again years here and this was supposed to be on the ballot in two thousand eighteen so just briefly. Here's what happened. Well jimmy stop me. If i get too wonky in this answer but i'll try to make it all about the here on radio boss high. The amendment was moving forward back in two thousand eighteen. That amendment originated as a citizens ballot initiative supporters gathered signatures to an essence force the legislature to take up the matter which they did now. The supreme judicial court ruled that a constitutional amendment. That is started that way by signature. Drive cannot combine unrelated subjects in the court found that education and transportation were mutually dependent so therefore the whole thing was unconstitutional now a constitutional amendment that emanates from the legislature can combine more than one subject. This amendment came in the form of a bill filed by legislators so it should be good to go. Now i'm gonna take off. My one cat might be bulletproof. We'll see steve brown stick around. Because i want to bring in another voice. Here for some analysis evan horowitz. He's the executive director of the center for state policy announces at tufts university. Evan always good to have you on the show. welcome jamie. it's great to be here though. It makes me nervous. That seems taking this long cat off. I feel like so you put it on because you're a numbers guy so i do wanna talk numbers. Look i certainly don't make anywhere near a million dollars nor does anybody that i know who exactly would something like this impact. So we are talking about a very very small number of taxpayers right. Something like twenty thousand tax filers in massachusetts who earn a million dollars a year and that that is what we're talking about not people who have a million dollars in their bank accounts or the value of their homes people whose income amounts to a million dollars in a given year. so yeah twenty thousand filers. That's about point. Six nine of all tax filers in the state so small number of folks but but potentially high revenues right. I mean steve was talking about that. Sort of two billion dollar estimate that supporters are citing. Does that does that number. Sound okay to you. Reasonable within the ballpark. I think you know the estimates you'll hear somewhere between one and a half billion and a half two billion dollars And you know it'll end up. I think in that range that will do more work to try to pin that down and department of revenue will do an official assessment before we get to the actual ballot date. I mean this is a long process. Where here in. June of twenty twenty one. It won't be put before voters until november of twenty twenty two and so you're centers also going to do independent analysis of the numbers are right. Yeah absolutely Likely in the fall. And you know what's going to happen between between now and then i mean you said you know a number of A small number of people but a large amount of potential revenue two and a half billion dollars whatever it is a large amount of revenue the other way to look at it is a small group of filers also some very wealthy very powerful feiler. So you're gonna hear a lot from those people and the interest groups that you know sanford. Well you'll hear a lot from them. But i'm also thinking you know the future of work especially for for folks at this income level. Might look different. You know working from home. Maybe from florida and new hampshire might or moving. I mean is that something that could impact the revenue that could come from this tax. Yeah i think for sure. I mean this is obviously was near the top of. Nobody's lists for likely impact of kobe but When the millionaire's tax was proposed an advanced beforehand in two thousand seventeen and twenty eighteen. Those concerns that people wealthy people must use his might move out of state seemed pretty overblown. There is a decent amount of research suggesting that it didn't really happen that much in states that raise their marshall income tax on high earners there was some movement but not enough really to also revenue But the world's really changed and with the growth of remote and hybrid work. It is going to get easier for people to live in one place and work in another and it's possible that that research just doesn't apply anymore and a new tax bracket like this call the bracket but like a new surtax on millionaires could have a bigger effect on people's decision about where to settle than was previously thought and steve brown. I mentioned new hampshire there but because there is this ongoing battle right now between the states about income tax collected for folks who are working from home in new hampshire but work from s. She's his company. So is there is there. are the supporters of this thinking about the impact of folks leaving the state. Yeah i mean. The supporters are saying that that the argument that people are going to leave his little over blown that You know the reason why people here in massachusetts the economy's good their businesses good. This is where it's happening and so they would want to pick up and leave because of that. They're saying that that that just doesn't have that that merit that People somebody some people leave. Of course they will but you know will they be leaving in by the busloads and the limousine loads are however they griot jetblue The The the Supporters of this. Say that that is not going to happen. that's overblown. of course evan horwitz. I'm also thinking about sort of the reporting from propublica this week. About how little taxes. really that. The sort of top point. One percent of americans actually pay something like a true tax rate of just over three three percent compared to the average american taxpayer who pays about fourteen percent by comparison. I i guess my question here is you know by raising income tax on highest earners. Are we kind of missing the point. Here we're not actually taxing. Their their wealth were just tacking their income. Yeah so i'll say i. I wasn't convinced that the face to tax rate made any sense but it's certainly true that for wealthy americans. It's possible to hold stocks and see the value of those stocks. Go up and therefore to have a lot more money at the end of the year that you had at the beginning of the year and yet not to be taxed on that increase. It doesn't really count as taxable income and the millionaire's tax. Nothing to change that tax back kind of income. If you don't sell your stocks but they get more valuable. You have more money but you are not taxed on that edition so there's not going to affect that but in some ways that's not really that was ever the idea behind it wasn't about equalizing tax rates across groups. It was a way of saying massachusetts has needs and we have policy needs Investments in education k twelve early at higher ed investments in transportation. And you know when you want to make these investments you need to raise revenue for it. And the state like the entire country is huge increase in inequality or the last generation so it made sense to say look the people who have benefited the most should contribute to make the necessary investments for the state. So i think that that was always kind of the rationale for it as opposed to Some effort of to kind of balance tax rates across income groups. So that sort of what's at stake there. Wer steve brown you know. We saw huge ballot campaign in the twenty eighteen. I believe that the charter school question. Are we going to be seeing this kind of hot campaign this time around. Oh yes absolutely. We have a year and a half to work ourselves into a frenzy over this upcoming ballot initiative. That ballot question. That will be coming up a constitutional amendment Expect to see the opponents who have a lot of money to afford a significant public relations campaign The that can buy a lot of vote. No signs and a lot of vote. No ads will be coming to your internet and tv. And and everywhere else that you you look so expect to to be bombarded as we get closer The the supporters will be doing that as well but did they have the funds to really Keep up with the the opponents That remains to be seen all right. Well we'll stay tuned here. Wb you are. That's steve brown debut. Our senior statehouse reporter steve. Thank you. thank you. Jimmy and evan horwitz. He's the executive director of the center for state policy analysis. Tufts university evan. Always great to have you as well. Thanks jamie i leave my walk hat here on the way out all right. I'll i'll wait for the next segment.

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May 18, 2021 - Full Show

Chicago Tonight

56:48 min | 2 months ago

May 18, 2021 - Full Show

"Good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. I'm paris shot. Spread is friedman has the evening off on the show tonight. One homicide is one too many. Why is chicago seeing more violence than it did in twenty twenty how some groups are working toward anti-violence solutions there's a lot of gas more than a billion dollars is going to rent relief in illinois but is it enough to stave off a russia evictions. The budget pension fixes and ethics state. Lawmakers have just two weeks to hammer out some big issues. We'll hear from four of them. Supreme court is set to hear a major abortion case that some say could threaten roe v. Wade we look at that case and others. Before the court as daycares reopen our kids coming back we check in on child care in illinois. I'm angel edo and currently standing in the home of the jackson five. We'll hear from some members of that family later on tonight. We'll look forward to that but first today's top stories fully vaccinated chicagoans won't be required to wear a mask in most instances bringing the city in line with new federal and state guidance. This coming today from chicago. Public health commissioner. Dr allison arwady. Mass will still be required in healthcare and congregate settings on public transit and in city buildings. We continue to strongly advise though not require masking policies for all indoor settings in chicago until covert capacity restrictions are lifted and we are in phase. Five this advisory applies to any setting that does not have the capacity to check vaccination status and or where employees clients or attendees are not all known to be vaccinated. Meanwhile state health officials announced nearly fifteen hundred new cases of corona virus including twenty one additional deaths. the total number of covid cases is more than one point. Three million with twenty two thousand four hundred sixty six deaths. And the state's test positivity rate is now down to two point eight percent that means lollapalooza is officially back. Before they music festival will run. July twenty nine through august i in grant park without capacity limits but attendees will have to be fully vaccinated show proof of negative cova test in the past twenty four hours. Lineup of bands is set to be released at ten. Am tomorrow and navy pier announces its full reopening targeted for memorial day weekend and that tourist destination. Summer programming is scheduled to start on friday. The twenty eighth with the return of its popular. Saturday night fireworks the following day. The peers outdoor spaces began opening last month indoor spaces. We'll open to the public on thursday and city announcers locations for chicago alfresco effort. That's an expansion of last year's popular outdoor dining program fifteen community organizations around the city were chosen as partners for the first round. They'll be able to use grant money to transform streets sidewalks and other public spaces to allow for dining performances and other community activities. Well chicago is seeing more violence than it didn't twenty twenty although homicides have tailed off recently after spike earlier this year just last weekend. More than forty eight people were shot including a two year. Old girl a thirteen year old boy and to chicago. Police officers and memorial day weekend is right around the corner which is a notoriously violent time in the city joining us to discuss this. Is beth lee a criminal justice studies and truck instructor northeastern illinois university and co founder the national alliance for the empowerment of the formerly incarcerated. Lee is also a former gang member. And reverend sierra bates chamberlain executive director of live free illinois. Welcome both of you chicago tonight. It's good to have you so we'll take a look at some of the the the numbers this year that some categories of crime are down. But if you look at murder it's up twenty two percent from one sixty last year to one ninety five this year sierra. There's so many things that cause violence. Is there anything you can that you could attribute a spike this year too. I was saying of one. We we know the cards violence racism poverty leg but with covid nineteen. We know that black communities will really hit disproportionately back over nine hundred and so the trauma that was put on black communities through called the nineteen just exacerbated the issue in violence in not only just as trauma but again when you're continually neglecting communities there they don't have the resources to cope through other pandemics. this was a the something. Just waving collide. I should be out of those contributing factors to live by this. Increase all these things and benefits. You know we've heard reports in the last several months about retaliatory shootings we have kids getting shot as young as infants. Getting caught up in crossfire. Do you see this. As mostly gang activity or interpersonal activity is mostly into personal activities. Or you may have a. That's product overstreet game but have a personal vendetta against another individual and then he retaliate would might come out because the person was gang affiliated. They says gang related. But i don't think these shootings that gain came together and say we're going to do this and we're going to move together. Think a lot of you know people just don't know how to go to another person. Say i need to talk with you. That's workers out of everybody afraid of each. I'm afraid of what the next man might do. Something to fully do it to me. And people faded to communicate so i think as more individual versus gains doing a lot of shootings right and you were on the show a few weeks ago saying that people just don't feel safe even more now than in years prior Let's take a look at what the police superintendent david brown had to say about the escalating violence yesterday. So what we want to do is with all hands on deck during the peak hours of when all of what we think will happen. You know about the the last global pandemic. We had it in this country. What follow was the roaring twenties. And you know. I don't know if you've read if scott fitzgerald's the great gatsby. So if all that pent up energy because we've been quarantine explodes with all of these people being out what people being active in the outdoors. We wanna make sure safe a lot of folks that weary of the coming summer months Reverend sierra bates chamberlain the mayor said there would be two hundred thousand opportunities. There are jobs or recreation for youth. Do you think that's enough to tamp down. What typically is a spike in violence in the summer months as kids are not in school. No at that. That is not enough. It wasn't enough in previous years in nevada. We just hired nine. The numbers our. We're up twenty two percent in homicides shootings in so there needs to be a large investment in a comprehensive strategy In the justin gun violence so doing the bare minimum or going business as usual is not acceptable. There must be a larger investment And we know that there are opportunities that present yourself especially with the american rescue plan with there is. There's a funding available to invest in street. Outreach has based intervention trauma with mental health services data layabout black brand clinicians so there there is not fraternity to really make a serious investment in deuce landlessness critical moment. So all those wraparound services not just jobs or recreation but mental health and violence intervention and benefit that is part of what you do the u. of c. crime lab put out a report to do using that one of the things that's happening here are more people are carrying firearms in years past. It just keeps going up every year. Does that square with what you're seeing. Just more people in possession of weapons. Yes better than young people. See these young people. Because they don't have the means to legitimately the ford card. Ill get concealed carry but they came in a gun the same reason why regular citizen will carry a gun to protect themselves afraid that they may get victim. You got young people getting these gods and get them illegal. Because they can't it'd probably got some infringement on their background where he can't legally get a four card or concealed carry but when they get caught with a gun they give you the right but there's a lot of fear out there it would people working god fearing people as afraid. They're getting guns to carry so of the young people there oughta target because it's their peers are the ones getting shoot. Shot it as their peers doing shooting so they more frayed regular citizens. So they're giving these guns preference here chamberlain. Did you hear that from young people that you work with. They're afraid and they feel that they need to arm to just even stay alive. Sometimes i mean. I hear that from young people and i hit ground adults. They i mean we now. They from the carbon atoms if there was an increase in sales ammunition so yeah communities flooding with firearms than there is a piece of folks feel unsafe so people everyday people we're going out and purchasing firearms are black and brown communities us group nasr for also feeling unsafe near communities lid and benefits. We mentioned that memorial day can be particularly violent weekend as our holiday weekends in the summer. We hear about police strategies but they never seemed to really do anything. Is there any police strategy. That can tamp down a violent weekend. Or is this something. That's just going to keep happening until the broader issues are solved. We put too much on the police to calm this down. This guy comes from the community. These families brothers got these relationships. You know like myself as you mentioned. I was a former gang leader. I do my part going back in the neighborhood outcome from building relationship with them little intimate thing. Because i believe the morning talk to each other. It'd be harvard him shoot each other. He'd be more apt to work things out. It's gotta come from the community. Just can't put it all on the police. All right well we thank you very much for your perspectives are thanks to bentley and reverend sierra bates. Thanks so much for fourteen months. There's been a ban on fictions here in illinois but that is set to change later. This summer amanda finicky joins us now for a look at housing in the pandemic's bridge phase. Amanda what did you find out paris. That ben has taken various forms. Going from a total prohibition to now where if our only allowed in the strictest of circumstances like when a judge deemed somebody to be dangerous threat so there are limited exceptions to the moratorium. The promise that well the moratorium has prevented evictions extremely important. And that's really A public health issue It has not relieved tenants of the responsibility to pay the rent. That's been accruing nice. Still have that. That is what is an attorney with the legal age. Chicago's housing practice group. And he says that a new state program is going to go a long way. There illinois is willing to spend one and a half billion dollars of federal money to pay back rent that is owed by residents of limited means priority. Going to those who've been unemployed thing and their landlord apply online and the money goes straight to the landlords michael meaning represents chicago landlords and says that is when to really help to prevent huge wave of actions once that moratorium is lifted. We really don't think that there is going to be this. What's been described as a su- nami of evictions. Once the moratorium ends on would says that this program has limitations first of all. We don't know if twenty five dollars is going to satisfy the debt man. people haven't been paying rent. Since the pandemic started back in march all arena represents small and medium size landlords. And when i asked him whether this new relief program is the cure he did not hesitate to tell me no you points to a couple first time landlords renting to people who stopped paying rent before the pandemic but then the eviction moratorium kicked in before they do anything about it. The relief money is only supposed to cover renters with covid related hardships. So they may not qualify. Even though they had to abide by the fiction band now tenants also have to cooperate with landlords to apply for the monday. If a tenant moves out right say they stayed for a year and then just move out. There's no assistance for those landlords. There's they have no option right now. So there's a whole list of things that areas where they're obvious deficiencies in the programs. That can be addressed when governor. Jay pritzker announced this program. He also said that the eviction moratorium is going to come to an end this summer. Being phased out then stopping in august might meek says the business. Welcome man sensible news for landlords. He says evictions should be a last resort but he hopes that pritzker will now loosen the conditions so that addictions are allowed in circumstances unrelated dacoven in nonpayment to allow for For cases to move forward against residents are are Again you know breaking rules. Whatever it might be Causing problems Being a danger to other residents the building north subur- suburban legal aid clinics director of housing law practice read. Kim says she works with a lot of people who've been in touch with her. Who through no fault of their own. She says have been unable to pay their rent. Pandemic now she says that it is important that the mindful before completely lifting that man. We just wanna make sure that all this money on that is out there to To to provide rental assistance gets distributed fully before the moratorium is lifted and know the online application process. does take some time before it is approved and the money is distributed meanwhile the governor also signing law that seals evictions records from march of twenty twenty really when the pandemic began through march of next year. So twenty twenty two. Kim says this is an important protection so that huge number of tenants won't be blacklisted. From future apartments you're filing of an addiction case goes on attendance screening report and a future. Landlord will see that and not want to run to them now but arenas take it. From a landlord's perspective they're destroying the credit of the landlords right those landlords who haven't been able to pay their bills because they had no income their credit is going to be racked but nobody's worried about their records. So this this whole approach has been so one sided. It's frustrating and he says that if you don't have landlords providing housing opportunities that that is going to cause a nother crisis a further lack of affordable housing we could see some more housing action in springfield before the month and because the pandemic has really done a lot of attention to these issues with that paris. Back to you thanks. Lawmakers have until the end of made a wrap up some major issues including the fiction. Moratorium dilemma. you just heard about as well as hammering out the state's budget and dealing with ballooning. Pensions here to talk about that and much. More our state. Senator jason eric. Mun a republican from bloomington state representative. Tom emmer from dixon. State representative animal or a democrat from elgin and state representative. Sean ford a democrat from the west side of chicago. Welcome all of you back to chicago tonight. I wanna start with that eviction moratorium representative ford about a billion and a half in eight here for renters. That might be months behind on their rent. Is that enough to help some of those renters. That are really struggling out. There is not enough but it is needed. And i think that we will find that because the governor and the federal government and of springfield came together as a group. Bipartisan lead to make this happen. I think we're in good shape to on reme- some of the problems so the moratorium will ease out. Once it ends in august senator berkman men what about for landlords and we know renters have struggled for a long time but if they're not paying that means lots of land loners are not getting income to pay their mortgages or the cost that they have I is there anything to to help them out. I think everybody's going gonna be the relief as this thing starts to get back to normal cases that have been stuck in court for months or longer That process will star. I think it's going to be a bit overwhelming for the boards got see it began There's going to be required operation between landlords and tenants to be able to get some of this relief. That's available so again i. I think there's going to be bit of a signed release that With us as a nation beyond the covid pandemic we're also going to begin to see some normalcy between the landlord tenant relations though to probably be slow to start all right. I wanna get to this always tense. Redistricting fight of course redrawing. The legislative maps happens every ten years. There have been a couple of reports of purported drafts of new maps drawn mainly by democrats that would wipe out two. Gop held congressional districts representative. Molar where is this remote process right now. Well right now we in the house. And the senate are in an information gathering phase of Of looking at the new maps As you know We're required by the constitution to redraw the maps after every descending on census in that book that process we're going through We've held us several public hearings throughout the state To gather information and hear from local mayors private citizens advocates other people who are interested in good government To gather information to us to help draw those maps and so right. Now we're we're. We've collected a lot of that data and we're working through the process to put together a proposal for new maps for the entire state representative. Dimmer governor pritzker on the campaign trail said that he would veto any map that wasn't drawn by an independent commission. He's he's kind of gone back on that. Do you believe this process is independent. Bipartisan is is taking in the views of of all sides here. This process is clearly independent. And it's not bipartisan This process is exactly the same. We've seen in previous years in which we have an attempt by legislators to pick their voters instead of the other way around the reason the constitution calls on us to draw new maps after census is so we can use that new census data to draw maps. That data is not being used this time for the first time in illinois redistricting history instead estimated survey data's being used in order to preserve political partisan advantage instead of using more accurate data. So because that says report came in late at that democrats are purportedly using a different said data to base their maps on representative ford. Why not wait until that. Census data is there before drawing the maps. But i think we have constitutional. We need to get this done. And that's the goal to get it done By the constitutional mandate no matter how we put it will be very tough to have a have an agreement on the maps republicans and democrats. So i think. The senate senator barrack men might the gop bring legal action if there is a map that again is based on this the american community survey and not based on the senses. Look i think the many witnesses that have been heard from during these public hearings that the democrats have pointed to those witnesses have said that they intend to sue because the use of bad data results in voting rights act violation violation of the us constitution's equal protection clause. so i think we'll see lawsuits from us groups. But here's what's most important governor. Pritzker promised to voters as a candidate it. He was gonna vetoing map drawn by persons. We're seeing just that process take place. It's being reported that it's done in a secret room. The governor could stop all of this. He's the one person in the state who has an ability threw his megaphone in through his veto pen to to keep the promise that he made to voters into the veto this map. Unfortunately i think governor pritzker is going to join a long line of who say one thing as a candidate in do something as when they have the ability to lead on it and that's just really unfortunate that he's unwilling to keep his promise on us all right. This is obviously a very contentious issue. We have a lot to get to represented mueller. I wanted to touch on a bill for an elected school board for chicago public schools. There's one backed by the teacher's union that would have twenty one elected members. There's one backed by mayor. Lightfoot that would give the mayor of the power to appoint most of the members the so-called hybrid board. The president of the senate has asked for a sort of a compromise on this. Where do you think a compromise might end up looking. I a district that has all elected school boards as part of their the local landscape. So i understand the desire for parents and voters in chicago to want to be able to elect There's board members. And i think the proposal that was put forth Representative ramirez Was a good proposal. and it was Crafted after many months of negotiations and discussions with parents The union school board officials and others But the proposal that the mayor put for Scaled back the number of seats that were actually elected. And i think that the compromise will be found somewhere in the middle I think the bottom line though is that democracy is good Education is is vitally important and voters and parents should have a say in who represents them on the chicago school board and representative demer speaking of education The governor announced that because of better than anticipated tax receipts that the state will have enough money to Give public schools increased aid under the new expanded formula. What does that mean for for public school funding across the state. I think it's a positive step for schools across the state of illinois a couple of years ago we got together and worked on a bipartisan education. Funding reform bill. That's a pledge to further by a general assembly to keep a commitment to adding additional dollars to local school districts. Want to make sure they have the resources they need. But also to ensure that local property tax payers are the primary source of funding a k. Twelve education so. I think it's a step in the right direction. I think really we should. I consider how this fits in with other federal relief dollars that some school districts have received as well as what they're getting protects tech to ensure that we're making the appropriate investment education. So they'll take those things into consideration when allocating the money all right. We're going have to leave it there for now. But we'll be joined again later in the program by these lawmakers to discuss ethics are forms among a lot of other things and now our thanks to state senator jason berkman and state representatives. Tom dimmer anna. Moeller ford and up next a look inside the jackson five family home with members marlin and tito so. Please stay with us. There is much more on the program including details on cases headed to the us supreme court. But i knew hopes in the king of pop's hometown for a revival of what was once a thriving community arts correspondent. Ito visited with some members of the jackson. Five in an exclusive interview at their childhood home. The celebration was in full force at twenty. Three hundred jackson street in gary indiana as the city mark. The home of the jackson five with highway. Sign gary all over the world. Let's just put it on the map. Shit one woman tro. From as far as philadelphia to see jackson five members marlin and tito person and thank them for their impact on music. Thank you all the number which doug ducey magister me. The sign will stand near a new hard rock casino. A very recent addition to northern indiana. Now it's hoped with the new sign in front of the jackson family home. In addition to the casino coming to gary that the city will see an economic recovery. And get back on their feet. Many years back gary was a thriving city the communities and the people here go to the casino for the to the economic stability change in this city with with the dollars being spent individuals those dollars for the taxes to further develop what. It's time to bring this diamond in the rough back. Here is a great place in everything we accomplish. Enough has right here at twenty. Three hundred jackson street came from heart effort at work. Right here at this house back at your childhood home. What memories is being here bringing back for you all just remember. The layer of the area of the houses feel here then. Nosy neighbor across the street. That used to tell us all the time. The street was stopped right here. Actually right there in the back and it was gravelled and we will play back there and just to think that all of us conceding liberty house. How has had been free. You all talk. Has a new blues album been working yet. Joined the pandemic. I put together blues album and have some great music blues music and collaborations. I did with joe. Biden amounts Song with george benson and song with stevie wonder the highway sign is just one of many acknowledgments. The world famous family is working on to honor their childhood home. We're making it becoming a historical site. 'cause people all over the globe when they come to this area's acog. Oh gerry they wanna come see the home that we the jackson. Five's started which makes us feel good because it lets you understand and realize the blessing the musical blessing that the lord bestowed on this family. And what was the whole purpose of their blessed is bringing people together all over the globe in harmony and peace corps chicago tonight. I'm in ito. And you can see that new sign on. I eighty ninety. Four and gary indiana next to the hard casino. If you're interested in visiting the historic home that address is you guessed it. Twenty three hundred jackson street and still to come on chicago tonight. Unpacking a major abortion law set to go in front of the us supreme court that in details on other cases facing the justices lawmakers weigh in on hammering out the new state budget ethics reforms and other big issues being debated in springfield and as daycare centers reopen. Our kids. coming back. I will annoys. Industry is faring more than a year into the pandemic. the some more of today's top stories defunct metal scrapper general irons parent company sues the city demanding permit for its proposed southside recycling facility. The controversial project has faced protests including a hunger strike over its potential environmental impact on the southeast side earlier. This month mayor. Lori lightfoot indefinitely delayed the permit after the environmental protection agency called for review over civil rights concerns. The company says it's gone above and beyond city requirements for a permit and wants a hundred million dollars for lost profits and damages a new latino agenda for illinois a coalition of latino leaders into organizations announce the illinois latino agenda two point. Oh this group is calling for equitable representation in government business and philanthropy and equitable resources and treatment. For latino communities organizers noted that latinos were the hardest hit group during the coronavirus pandemic and that many are essential workers as we emerge from this recovery we seek investment to recover from the pandemic we seek investment for our neighborhoods and for our schools. That are struggling. We seek justice for those that have lost lives. We demand police accountability and reform. And we seek equity and justice for the latino community from all sectors of society and now to fill save for a look at some of the cases that the supreme court is set to hear phil paris. Theo supreme court announced it will take up. A major case at some say could threaten abortion access across the country. The court will hear an appeal supporting a mississippi law so far blocked by lower courts which would ban most abortions at the fifteen th week of pregnancy. The decision comes as the court wraps up oral arguments in several cases involving free speech online financial disclosure for charity donors and more here to help us break it all down. Are these hook a professor at the university of chicago law school and former clerk for justice. Ruth bader ginsburg. Robert hoffman co lead of the supreme court and appellate practice at sidley austin. It's law firm. And a former clerk for justice steven brier and joseph morris a foam assistant attorney general under president ronald reagan. And attorney at the law firm morris and la rosa gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining us. Huck this mississippi law which again would ban most abortions at the fifteen th week of pregnancy. Do you see it. As a challenge to roe v wade potentially yes that mississippi law on aced is inconsistent where row and more importantly a nineteen ninety-three case code. Casey which limits the states to regulate abortion. Full all the points desire ability which is between twenty three and twenty six weeks since the pregnancy. So joe morris. What does it tell you that the court has taken a case which could conceivably have reverberations that might impact roe v. Wade all. that's right. It's an important case it. There's an entire spectrum of possible outcomes here at one extreme The court could attack foundation of rovers wade itself and overrule the proposition. That this The this maternal right to abortion is found in the constitution but there are any shade number of shadings of possible outcomes where we are now. The narrowest quite a narrow win framed. The question here is what's the meaning of the trimester regime and the viability standard. A completely judge made standard founded grounded in no text of the constitutional. Statute is a possible for these judges to tweak the work of those judges and to say that it's possible for legislature by enacting a statute to define the limits of the notion of viability. Robert hoffman. you see Dc viability as a potential inroad into roe v. Wade that is to say when a life begins. Well i think that's that's sort of essentially the question. Your i'm know whether it's about when life begins exactly. I don't think the justices are going to wait into that kind of a philosophical question. What makes the case so important. And so potentially disruptive to what people think of when i think of roe v wade which is the right. The woman's right to make the choice to have an abortion is that in the absence of the viability standard. We don't know what would be a constitutional basis for restricting states. And what the lines they could draw in determining when women are permitted or prohibit can lawfully be prohibited from having an abortion so in the opposition to the request for the court to review the canes the proponents of the pro choice advocates were very very strict and clear at viability is clear and proper standard. And now i think they have to go back to the drawing board and think what else might there be. Because if i- ability is going to go by the by then we don't know what would be putting these hook. The court doesn't operate in a vacuum. It's aware of obviously of what the political currents are in the country and at this point most polls show that most americans not necessarily an overwhelming majority but a majority of americans do support a row v. wade does that factor out of those outside influences impact. How a court rules will. The court obviously exists in a political context. Critically it's appointed by presidents and concern by senate that have political considerations in mind and we would not be seeing the dubs case arise and a dedicated in the way that it will be dedicated in the absence. Offs that appointments the we stayed in the in the last year years. however the kind of cresent opinion I think has an extremely wheat. If any effects upon the cool the core is by design and the operation of the justices themselves reasonably well insulated from public opinion writ logs. The court is much more sensitive to the opinion of political and legal elites. Let's move onto another case that oral arguments and this involves a cheerleader. Who was suspended from the cheer squad for posting profanities on social media after school hours. joe morris. How much does the person in question being a student and being off school grounds. Play a role here. This huge now. I'm i come down into libertarian-leaning against on this case. We have a prior supreme court decision known as tinker the annihilate school district the moines school districts that confers upon School authorities pretty wide range of authority over what happens inside. The schoolhouse deleted regulate speech in conduct and so forth inside the school house. If that's speeches of the disruptive nature what's significant about this case is it involves. Speech took place entirely outside the school house. It involves social media To be clear the student in question a young cheerleader who was knocked off her cheerleading squad. A said some rather obscene things not about the school or about other students or alden situation but about the notion of cheerleading and the team and the like in general a she used the f word several times in her in her statement not identifying particularly in school. Insofar as. I'm aware of the facts. This is clearly entirely off campus out of school behavior and in my view this is a considerable overreach on the part of school authorities. What is an issue here is a is a first amendment writer right right of a citizen even if even if a child to speak in a setting that is not controlled by government orders. Robert hoffman How that When we're looks at technology and what What anybody can say on. The internet is a really such a thing as on campus or off school grounds anymore. I actually think that's the most interesting aspect of this case and it might not be limited to the question of Disciplining students in school environment. That's that's the focus of the case. And i think there's a lot of attention focused on that for good reasons. But the question of social media speech in general the fact that it takes place oath nowhere and everywhere was very much on the minds of the justice at argument and that has potential implications in a lot of other areas of law beyond school discipline. there are employment related implications there There are public employment and otherwise and this is something that the court for the past twenty years or so since justice roberts has been on court. has really struggled with sort of adapting old norms and cases and and views about privacy and various other rights to the modern internet age. And this i think is going to be a significant step forward. The the court also took up a case involving a california law that requires charities to disclose their donors Kind of a parallel. You've see a parallel to that. In cases involving political contributions of expand on that we'll cold has struck down but federal and state laws limit at expenditures contributions. That people can make either to political aussies all to political candidates in doing this. The cool has repeatedly underscored Campaign finance regulation the concerns. Money is not necessary because states government can impose disclosure accusations this was for example at important offset citizens united decision the decision or the case before the court concerns california's requirement that charities year to the california attorney general a part of that federal tax pretend discloses that major donors the stop worry that has been expressed by the station california and by the federal government in respect to this case. Is that a decision. The protects donors to charity will will will be extended to disclosure. Rules have previously been upheld in the campaign finance comes next. Such stops on justification for limits on expenditures and contributions will fall away. The state that is will be unable to regulate finance directly and it will be unable to use disclosure mandates to ensure that we the citizens understand. Who astounds financially. Behind the aussie or accountable. Three tantalizing decisions. Maybe we'll have you back from those. Decisions are actually issued. Gentlemen thank you so much Robert hochman he's hook. And joseph morris thank you and we go back to you. Thanks phil early in the program. We discussed the battle over remapping legislative districts. And now we're joined again by state. Senator jason berkman state representative tom. Dimmer animal or and leshan four. Thanks for being back everybody. Let's talk about the budget Representative ford the governors talked about about closing a billion dollars in corporate loopholes to close a one point. Three billion dollar budget gap. Loopholes can be kind of a catchall term. what are those specific loopholes and how may produce The money needed to close that gap. The governor has proposed a budget cuts corporate loopholes on there. We should agree on as a body because there isn't one point. Three billion dollar deficit so We talked earlier about funding T to twelve education at a higher level. We can't do that if we don't find the money. And so the governor's talked about. Removing some of the federal tax breaks that have been given handed down to the state which is great capping a corporate Deductions that's great aligning Treatment of foreign sources as a means to cut on corporate loopholes. I think we have to reset the tax credit scholarship fund for school districts. We have to look at that at retail discounts. There's a lot of cuts Were corporate loopholes that the government is talking about rolling back in. We should look at them and we should not be closed. One senator berkman is. Is this the best way to close that budget gap. Well i i think the notion that there's a budget gap is of wild. What's in look. It is good news for the st. The reality is that the budget forecasts. Show that there's much more revenue coming into the state than was originally forecast. That's good news. It also means plenty of money. You add to that the fact that the federal government is providing. It's it was very controversial but the reality is the federal government's providing about eight billion dollars in additional funds to the state. So what that means is. There's plenty of money here. There's no need for tax increases as the governor has imposed others knew what the governor polls of loopholes and otherwise are things like scholarships for low income students who attend failing schools I think that's a disastrous policy to cut. We need to do more of that and support our kids in our schools especially our low income. Children there unveiling school disagreement here. I just what those corporate loopholes entail are whether or not they're good or not Represented muller th the state did get by on a lot short term borrowing through covid and now the. Us treasury is saying some of that. Eight billion dollars. State wants to use to pay down those debts. It's not allowed to use it to pay down debts do you. Do you think state will be able to pay down these significant short-term that obligations with some of that federal aid coming in. Well we don't know and that's the problem and so we can't budget as if we can. We have to assume that at this point that we're not going to be able to use that eight billion dollars to pay off a debt and we know that our backlog of bills still in the multibillion dollar range i believe somewhere around six billion dollars so the idea that That we don't have to make the wealthiest corporations in our state pay their fair share For vital public services. I think is Is is is disingenuous. And and let's be honest the the the corporate loopholes that we're talking about closing are not those that affect scholarships for for for kids. These are Corporate loopholes that affect multibillion dollar international companies that have benefited that were treated special under the trump administration in his last Tax cut When he was an office. And we're we're merely trying to decouple From that federal tax cut so that we can pay for For education and for helping seniors and for helping the developmentally disabled access the services that they need all services all programs that have been in jeopardy and have been stressed during cove ed and because of the the long standing Time under rounder. When we didn't have a budget in the state are lack that we need to make a lot. We need to invest history if history is a guide. We'll learn a lot about the budget at the eleventh-hour in springfield before the session ends. I gotta jump to the issue of ethics commonwealth. Edison bribery scandal has former comment lobbyists in an executive indicted plus the former speaker of the house. Michael madigan he's implicated not charged in court documents as result. Lawmakers are calling for ethics reforms. This isn't just about a few outliers taking bribes or breaking rules. This is about fundamentally reforming the system. That doesn't allow us to police our own house. I believe it's un-american. It's unfair in. It's just fundamentally wrong representative dimmer competing ethics proposals here but a base issue is trying to prevent lawmakers from becoming lobbyists right after. They stepped down from their legislative career. Will there be an ethics bill that that tackles that there are certainly should be ethics. Issue has been brewing in springfield for more years and most of us can count and time and time again. We've come to the table with specific legislative proposals to try to change the culture of corruption in springfield even more fundamental in the question of whether legislators can become lobbyists when they leave is a question of whether a legislator can be a lobbyist while. They're currently in office. That practice is allowed today at practice. Directly led to legal troubles for former representative. And it's a practice. That i saw to stop with the bill that i introduce the house last year. Unfortunately in this long drawn out process of trying to water down a form those those proposals have never been given a vote. They've been set aside with the idea that some larger of bill was coming at a later. Date the danger and all this though is that the mo- more time that elapses between the jaw-dropping arrests that happened the bombshell reports come through the more opportunities for people who want to see the status quo preserve to water down those reforms. We need serious ethics reform and springfield and the time has south then to have all right. There's a lot on your plate. There's only a few weeks left in session. We'll see how this all shakes out. But for now. Our thanks to state. Senator jason berkman state representative tom. Emmer animal or sean ford. A lot of things took a pause during the pandemic including enrollment of kids in childcare services. So that meant more. Parents were left balancing work and caretaking responsibilities while also navigating economic uncertainty and now childcare centers reopened. Some families appears slow to enroll their kids joining us to discuss how childcare and youth programs have been impacted our sonya chrome night vice president of programs and impacted carole robertson center for learning and that serves communities across chicago with two locations on the west side and april janney president and ceo of illinois action for children. Welcome both of you chicago tonight version. You're you're welcome. I with you april Just tell us how. The childcare industry has been impacted over the last year as a result of the covid nineteen pandemic. We initially had a number of childcare providers had to close because of the shutdown period and except for those that were serving essential workers that we had to to get them open and being able to serve essential workers basically who had to go to work impact overall was with attendance and enrollment decreasing Overall loss of employment for those parents who had to leave work and for childcare providers who had staff who had to lee and so the overall employment laws but then be at home for those parents who could work from home having to juggle parenting and working remotely became a big challenge and keeping that income coming into their homes so a big impact On families and also on workers at childcare centers as sonya how were the communities that you serve impact both the families and the workers. Yeah well kobe. Bid exposed existing vulnerabilities and historic Systemic and equities right so our staff are part and parcel of the communities we serve they come from those communities so they were deeply impacted as where our families. Our families. belle are the essential workforce. So we started thinking about reopening as soon as we close and we were sure to curate the most recent research from the cdc guidance from chicago department of public health and the department of public health to make a plan for reopening safely throughout the pandemic. I think it's important to know that we kept our employees whole we immediately switched to a virtual framework for service to our children and families because we needed to maintain some level of to a community that depend on us to be there every day so in addition to virtual spaces for connecting. We also did on monday. A distribution of essential cheerios supplies as well as learning material. So a lot of your family's essential workers that can't exactly work from home and take care of their children. They have to go to their jobs. So those virtual those virtual programs. I'm sure came in handy april as we mentioned at the top things are reopening. But you're not necessarily seeing a lot of families and kids come back in. Is that correct. yes i think. In some cases a lot of parents nervous about health concerns would exposing their children and those children bringing becoming back to their households and maybe exposing them and people that they have to care for in their homes but also teachers are is concerned about their health and exposure. That's might happen May have on their families as well. So there's that nervousness that tension about keeping everyone safe is a song you set and sonia. A significant portion of the workers in this industry are women are black and brown Are are they able to come back to their jobs and is there. Are there enough candidates to meet the demand a of jobs in this industry. We hear there. There might be a skills gap out there. Yes well carol. Robertson center for learning has a long legacy of growing our own so we are always actively recruiting those that may be interested in career in early learning and youth development and we work closely with them to build those skills and get the requisite education and say credentialed And we took care of our employees. I think that it's really important that they grounded in the science To be transparent and buster two way communication and to leave with dignity right. We listen to the fears. We listen to the concerns of both our parents are our and our staff and that was really important. Rush and april jedi as you know the president biden has proposed big time federal funding for childcare. Relief for families. How might that impact families here in chicago and families that your organization serve for families that helped him to cover the cost of childcare that they need and be able to find places where they could pay for that as well as with the childcare providers able to not have to receive his interruption grants so that they can have an bring staff back to capacity and sustain the requirements to meet e and additional cleaning along with their fixed calls. Because right now maybe sewn but right now they're not operating at full capacity so you have limited number of kids space which means that. They're not getting their full income from the scratch that they could feel and science. We know i in the latest federally. Bill families got fourteen hundred dollar checks or more if they had kids. Have you seen that go toward Childcare costs well. i can't really speak to you. Know those That much needed support going to childcare costs but i would imagine for are essential workers family aide who received the they funded childcare food program which also requires a co pay a fee will small percentage based on and come that they have to pay. I would imagine that that infusion of much needed resources definitely helped to cover that all right. Well we'll have to leave it. There are thanks to sonya chrome night. april janney. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you thank you and we'll be back to wrap things up and just a bit. But i look at the weather and that's our show for this tuesday night. Please join us tomorrow night. Live at seven confusion over mask. Wearing guidelines are spotlight politics team breaks down and more and a curious bear describes chicago puppeteers experience with racial profiling. And now for all of us here at chicago tonight. I'm parachutes thank you. So much for watching stay healthy and safe and have a great night. 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104: Penny Lane on Hail Satan?

"Welcome to pure nonfiction the podcast interviewing documentary film-makers. I'm Tom powers the documentary. Programmer for the Toronto international film festival and artistic director of doc NYC. This episode. I talked to penny lane. The director of the new documentary hail Satan. There's a question Mark at the end of that title. The film profiles, the creators and followers of the Tanic temple the group launched very modestly in twenty thirteen at that time. Florida's governor Rick Scott just approved prayer in public schools, the Tannock temple organizers held a press conference in Florida state capital dressed in costume store. Robes and plastic corns on our governor. Rick Scott's hail Satan record for providing us this opportunity to make the satanic caused clear and make our presence known the Tannock temple was like catnip for the media, especially Fox News. The prominent co founder of the temple is a soft spoken, man. Who goes by the name Lucien Greaves in Florida. He hired an actor represent the temple. But Greaves quickly realized he couldn't out. Source that job at the beginning. We didn't have the hubris to think that we could start a large global religious movements. When the tank temple got started. I wanted to be sure that satanism was properly represented. I very much felt that I was a satanist. But there was no need to kind of publicly advertise it. Excited. Filled with angst. I wanted somebody else to be the face of this. But I found very quickly. I didn't want somebody else to be the voice of this Greaves was contacted by like minded people across the country. Soon local chapters the Tanic temple had started in dozens of cities throughout the US and even abroad in the film. We hear a wide range of members express ferrying motives, but they largely share a rebellion against authority. Jecs Blackmore is a Detroit artists who became active in the temple after I learned about the saints temple. I set up a time to meet with Lucien. Throughout the conversation. I realized that we have very similar ideas of what contemporary Satan is was involving to be. The devil directly challenged. God. So as a satanist, I believed that directly confronting injustice and authority is an expression of one satanic faith. And I believe activism is a satanic practice. The Tannock temple help to foster community like any religion local chapters conduct charity efforts like helping the homeless and cleaning up litter, but they are most active around defending a plurality of religious freedom. The film culminates with the campaign in Little Rock Arkansas where the government installed a ten commandments monument the temple responded by creating their own statue of bafflement the goat headed figure. That's a symbol of Satan. Is- Arkansas state Senator Jason Raper was appalled. It will be very cold cold day in the pits of hell before you'll ever see a statue from the satanic temple or some other group black that at the Arkansas capital in the film. We watch the Tannock temple is besieged by opponents sometimes even with death threats. We also see how the spirit of rebellion causes rifts within the group, including the Detroit chapter led by checks. Blackmore hail Satan had its world premiere in January if the Sundance film festival in Utah. It's being released theaters by magnolia pictures in mid April, I hosted director penny lane for sneak preview at the IFC center. Her previous films include our Nixon based on recordings of Richard Nixon and knots about an eccentric genius who claim to have an impotence cure. I asked penny to describe her own experiences with religion. Growing up. There was none like no contact with religion at all like, nobody. I knew was religious. Or if they were they didn't talk about it. Like, my family, certainly wasn't like I always felt like completely mystified by the idea that apparently most Americans were religious because I had no contact with any of it. And I thought maybe it was like some weird mental illness that I was lucky enough not to be infected with all of which changed so dramatically when I made this film because I sort of learned ironically enough through my kind of long exposure to and association with this group that religions actually awesome in like cool, and it fulfils like really deep human needs that are like meaningful and good and that having a religious identification and an association with a new organized religious philosophy was a deeply meaningful part of people's lives. And so yeah. So this film changed my feeling. About religion. But going into it. I thought it was kinda just weird and silly. So what was your entry way into this group? It was just like hearing about them in the news. I always wish I had a better origin story. But you know, I saw these headlines circulating, and I never actually liked to be honest clicked on the stories like I thought I got it from the headlines, and I was like, oh, that's funny. You know, this kind of yes-men type group is is making this political satire, and I didn't wanna think they were actually satanist. I just assumed they were kidding that they were like atheists with plastic horns and. In like, it wasn't until my producer. Gabriel sent me a longer article by a wonderful journalist named Anna Merlin, and it was a cover story for the village voice. That was really the first, and maybe still only really substantial reporting on this temple. That made me understand that there was like so much more going on than like, some eight Theus who were making a political point the film begins with this action taking place that's dated two thousand thirteen is that your team that's filming at that time in two thousand. Now, it's about time like in this in the narrative of this film like we entered in Arkansas like which is the beginning of act two. So by the time, we showed up on the scene. This story was already pretty clear like the idea that there had been this kind of joke that had already manifested into an actual religion. Like our new that was the story. So we were lucky enough that they were so kind of into media activism and like producing. King news packages and YouTube videos, that there was a ton of footage that they had film themselves that we were able to use to fill in the early days. And can you talk about Lucien Greaves? And you know, what your how you found him as a subject, and he's such an interesting person. We contacted him, you know, first to see if if he'd be interested in participating in this film, and it's I don't even think the film. I don't think the film conveys this accurately like how much she doesn't like this attention is it's really hard to explain like it sounds silly. Like, well, if you don't want to have all this attention, how hard is it like not to go on Fox News like most of us manage to avoid that every day. But he really feels this is calling like he feels this responsibility in this duty, and it's not coming out of ego. Like in the sense of like, I really want people to be running up to me and asking for autographs, and if the film has a feeling that we couldn't quite. Convey that to the extent that I really wanted to. He is so passionate about this. It's taken over his entire life. And at this point he's like all in on the satanic temple. He can't go back like there's no going back to a normal life for him. So he feels daily the kind of stress and terror of like making this making good on this on this movement. And on this church was really interesting for me to hear from all these other this chorus of voices. You have from them the chorus. Yeah. So can you talk about the effort that went into filming that, and and what you took away from hearing all these different individuals stories. Yeah. That was hugely transformational. Because I would say the beginning of the process was very much spending time with Lucien jacks. Who at that time? We're like, obviously, the most prominent spokespeople and most active high level things. And then we were learning about the organization and how. It worked and sort of all this high level, you know, the big campaigns that were going on and Little Rock and Missouri. And then once we realized it was time for us to get out onto the ground travel around and get to know, let's say everyday satanists, the whole story changed for me. And I think you see it in the film like this this kind of high level conceptual political prankster thing was barely a glimmer on the ground. I mean, it really was just like religious people going to church like it was just that and getting together on Saturday to clean up their local highway or collecting socks for the homeless and doing all the things that we that we associate with with religion. And it was so powerful in like moving to me to just one after another do these interviews with these people and to hear them all say like in different ways, you know, that they had felt alone their whole lives like this profound assumption that they would always feel alone that they would always feel like they were the only. Person in their town who was like them, and then finding another it's like incredibly moving to me, it really did it deepened and changed my understanding of the the whole phenomenon and the whole story. I want to ask you about that because few people describe moments in their journey here where became more real for them. And I wonder for you. If there was a moment or different moments where what maybe started as a. Fascination with these satirists, then became more real. That's totally a very astute point in that was part of the theme of the film that we did try to bring out as many times as we could. Because almost to a person they kind of like came for the trolling and stayed for the community, you know, and that and that was true for us as well. Like, you know, like the jokes were good. You know, it's like you show up for that. But certainly standing in that room watching Lucien putting on a bulletproof vest was a pretty serious moment for me. I mean, I really thought like why is this worth it? You know, like, oh my God. Like nothing about this on right now. And I was terror. I was really scared. It wasn't. It wasn't a fun day. Like, it was pretty tense day. There was a lot of guns. It's an open carry state. Like, it was it was intense and everything was fine in the end. But we didn't know that at the beginning. So that definitely that's kind of why we end the film there. There was no more real serious event. And plus it was a nice kind of mirror image to the risk. Scott rally, right like the risk rally. There's three random actors in like Halloween robes and one guy clapping and then in Little Rock. There's hundreds of satanists who have traveled on their own dime from all over the country to make a stand for religious pluralism on the state capitol. So it felt like a nice resolution to the the origin story. Which is what I think this is. I mean, obviously, the story is not done. But we wanted to cover like the origin story. Can you talk about the rift that you document in the film between the Detroit chapter led by Jack's black more and the the national council. Well, the first thing to say is that it was kind of a conflict that was long brewing. And it was very evident to us like throughout the years. We spent with Jack's that she was sort of distancing herself from the kind of institution of the satanic temple and was chafing at those bonds. She's an incredible artist. She's not to be. Contained and I saw that coming now. I did I know exactly what was going to happen. No. But you know, it wasn't that much of a surprise to us that that this that she left, and I would also say that I felt that they just both had such a good point. Like, I really I mean, I completely sympathize with Lucien and his point of view, and I completely sympathize with Jackson her point of view, and it didn't even seem it was sad because it was the end of a really fruitful partnership. But it didn't it seemed natural to me. Like, it seemed like the right thing to happen because Jax is better as like her own radical autonomous person, then as like the member of a group, and it's a satanic organisation. So like that's gonna happen guys. Like, these are not joiners. These people hate thority. They hate institutions. So it's no big surprise that. There would be this kind of schism. And in fact, we could have done this that storyline like twelve more times. There were a lot of people who who left during wondering about that. I didn't see that. Rift coming in the film. But I did keep imagining that for an organization that attracts so many outsiders with bad social skills that the that could lead to friction. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean that when I say they would say themselves like they're not super into like getting along to just to go going along to get along. It's not what their thing, you know. So it's so yeah, group harmony is a challenge in new organization in any organization. But I think particularly if you're like foundational values are autonomy and rebellion that's gonna make it hard. You know? So I started to think more about the religion of Satan is as a separate phenomenon from the particular institution of this attack temple this temple as church might go away. Like who knows? But I think that they've the work. They've done has reinvigorated a whole generation of people to the idea this philosophy with these new kind of. Ideas built in about activism and rebellion and inclusion, and I think that that is a growth phenomenon even if the satanic temple is as an institution like may, not be I don't know. So the film had just made its debut a couple months ago is been playing some film festivals. But what has reaction to it Ben, and what has reaction to bend from people who are part of the Tanic. Well, the first thing I would say is that usually when you're at Sundance and you're doing your premiere at Sundance, you're not thinking that much about the fact that you're in Utah. But you are definitely thinking about the fact that you're in Utah. If you're there with this movie, and that was really cool because I mean, the people who responded most to the film were people from Utah. I mean, you have to have a sense of like actually, how oppressive this dominant religious paradigm is certain places in this country. And it's not New York City in. It's not either. It's certainly not where I grew up in Massachusetts. It's Little Rock. It's utah. It's texas. It's Kansas, Missouri. Like vast swath of this country. Like Senator Jason report is like the normal. Senator right? Like it looks. He looks like a Yokel to me. But he's like. Typical in a lot of places. So that's been my most exciting feeling going around festivals and sort of seeing how much more the people in parts of the country who feel they need this kind of whether it's catharsis or if it's like actually motivating politically this been really cool, and I don't like to speak for other people. But I think the panic temple of this movie. Seems like so far their response has been pretty giddy like they're like really excited and a bunch of them flew again on their own dime to Sundance to be there for the premiere from all over the country. And it was just awesome. Like, I think it's cool because mostly they get mocked or hated and for them to have a serious filmmaker take them seriously and present them to serious audiences and respectful manner. I think is beyond their wildest dreams of what they could have expected from the media will this. That's interesting about this film is because you are documenting in a serious way. What might be called a fringe cultural group at often documentaries were used to seeing documentation of more mainstream groups that have a larger visible body have a greater number of adherents. And and so I wonder what that experience was like, you know, trying to take. Take something seriously that a lot of people don't. Well, it felt first of all a huge responsibility. Again, it all seems like fun and games until you really start thinking about the real risks. These people are taking with their with their reputations. And with their lives in certain cases to make a stand for all of us. That's such an important point like their point at the end of the day is not like Sade nece deserve more stuff than other people. Like, they're fighting for everyone. They're fighting for all of you. And that I thought was incredible in. So I thought an also knowing how mocked and reviled. They are by all of culture. I was worried I wanted to get it. Right. I wanted to make sure I was representing their world you accurately in that felt like a huge amount of pressure. I knew that this film would become some kind of canonical text about modern satanism, probably and I didn't want to be wrong. So that was very worried about that. But also like the whole time we were making the film. We just felt like it was such a privilege to that. They trusted us and they allowed us to. Tell their story because I really do think they're heroes, and I kind of soft pedaled it in like direct interactions. I don't wanna promise anyone will kind of move. You were gonna make right? I don't want to say you're gonna look like a hero in this movie. 'cause I can't say that. But like behind the scenes, that's what we were feeling like we were just like these people are weirdly heroes, and it just felt like really cool to be able to elevate. You know, those kind of skeptical heretical outsiders to that heroic status that was our goal. There's such an interesting relationship between this group and Fox News. And and I wonder if you can one couldn't exist without the other feels like that. You have a rich sampling of Fox News clips in here. And I'm I'm betting that there's more where that came from. Well, it's funny because that's the only news network that pays any attention to the tanning temple. It's not as if they wouldn't like to be on CNN, but CNN doesn't care. The only people that want them around are the ones you can drag them under their show yell at them and call them morons ask them what happened to them and their childhood abuse them, and then send them packing. That's the goal. And that's every interaction and bless Lucien Greaves for sitting there and taking that abuse like in the name of religious freedom because it seems kind of weightless, but it is an outlet for them. And again, no one else's ever called like they're not turning down. The nicer media appearances. Does does Lucien Greaves just have a relationship with the Fox News Booker and? I wonder. Have does he see all positive every time? He's called them or is. Now, he finds a tariff terrifying. Stressful and very upsetting on some level. He is very naive. And he every time he doesn't media appearance. He's disappointed again. If he doesn't know that that's what's going to happen. I mean, it's been it's hard for to watch him go through that to be honest. Like every time you get his hopes up that there's going to be like some actual fair treatment. And then there isn't boon. He's just a very rational person. And he thinks if he just like rationally explains things that that's going to work. You know, and yeah, it's not the landscape that we live in. So the title of the film has this question. Mark after hail Satan. Can you describe what you're thinking with that? Well, I really like punctuation and movie titles. So now, actually I don't. Well, we really like we started to get to the end of the film like it was like coming together. We knew what the movie was we were doing test screenings. We were getting this really positive response. We're getting really excited about like putting this in theaters which were doing two weeks. And we started to wonder if the the words hail Satan on a marquee would be like one step too far. You know, like could we get people into the theater in? It's not really about pandering. It's like sort of like, how do you get people in the room? And you know, we started to play around with different, title ideas. But we were very connected to hill Satan because we really felt that it was important. It makes sense for this film for so many reasons, but the main thing is that you watch this film, and the beginning of the foam the words mean one thing by the end of the film, the words means something different and it just felt like the right title. So anyway, the question Mark is really there is an invitation. It's like there to like make it a little bit less confrontational. Like, maybe there's like something in the question Mark that might. Like make someone wonder what this movie's about. And maybe it's a little bit less of a decl literally United to Claire statement. So we'll see if that works. One of the things that I admire about the satanists and the followers of the Tannock temple is when they will face people who you really don't get them have a lot of anger towards them and the ability of Lucien Greaves, some of his colleagues to maintain their own calm, and I wonder in the course of baking this film or bring it out if if you've had to face people who really don't get it and are bringing directing anger you. I mean, if you count like misspelled all caps emails from crazy people like, yeah. But those are really easy to ignore. So not in person not yet. Again. It's like who shows up to see the movie. I don't know if that's self selective. Yeah. I think it's so far especially because we've only been doing film festivals in like specialty screenings like this one. You know? So maybe they'll be something. But I think it really helps that like most people don't understand that documentaries even have directors. So like, I'm not likely to be the target of too much attention seriously try to name five well wrong group. You guys can name five ask your friends if they could name five they can't. A question from the audience penny was asked to reflect on the politics of hail Satan. And on how the film is more. Celebrate ori- of its subjects than her previous work. If you're like me, and you are a very skeptical person, and you have been your whole life, and you somehow feel that you're always the person in the group who has to be like, well, what about this is never really allergic to dogma and joining enchanting and slogans it's been really hard for me to engage politically in my life. And it's always felt like a lack like I don't care, but it's really hard for me to be part of a political group and like get into the minute. I join I'm like groups the worst, right? So it really wasn't like finding this group in in feeling like such common cause what they were doing and being able to like just wholeheartedly like endorse. It was really one of the great feelings of my life. You know, and it motivated the film Gabriel, and I felt the same way we were like, oh my God early on the process. We were like, oh my God. Like, this is about like, the beauty of the constitution. Like, this is actually a really optimistic film. Like, you know, it's not it's not energised. It's not like burn it all down. It's actually like let's up hold the values that we say we have. Because wouldn't we all better off? It's like, so it's actually kind of weirdly patriotic, you know, and I have to say it felt good. It felt really good to like believe in America. And like I was like this is like through satanists like this is so funny like people are going to crazy. So it was just a lot of fun for me. And you're right that it's absolutely an outlier, and I don't know if I could ever to it again. We'll see. I want to thank director penny lane for joining me. Film hail. Satan is being released theaters by MAG Noli pictures. If you're New York City, please join us for peer nonfiction at. I c center each dues day, we show a documentary followed by conversation with the filmmakers or other special guests spring season runs through the end of may you can get more information on our website, thanks to our team series producer Hannah northern swan and web designer cross strategy. Our theme music is composed by Andre Williams passed away last month at age eighty to our executive producer is Rafael and eight housing. You can follow us on Twitter Instagram or Facebook at pure nonfiction. I'm Tom powers. You can follow me on Twitter at T H M powers. 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Friday, June 25, 2021

NBC Nightly News

22:01 min | Last month

Friday, June 25, 2021

"You tonight the rising toll in the race against time in the florida condo disaster that new images more than forty hours after the sudden collapse the desperate search at least four dead. The number unaccounted for jumping to one hundred fifty nine families submitting dna holding onto hope for missing loved ones among them three grandmothers plus new video from inside moments before collapse and growing questions. What caused it. Another major headline derek chauvin sentenced to twenty two and a half years in prison for the murder of george floyd the former minneapolis police officer speaking in the courtroom to family and the powerful words from floyd year old daughter the justice department suing georgia over its voting restrictions law. The signal it sends to other gop led states but trump organization bracing for potential criminal charges as early as next week the new warning on the delta variant. The who saying it's the most transmissible yet. Comma harris paying her first visit to the border as vice president her message to critics who say it should have come sooner and the highly anticipated us intelligence. Report on ufo's what it says about those mysteries in the sky. This is nbc nightly news. With lester holt. Good evening as the hours tick by the odds tick against those who may have somehow survived the initial collapse of that condo tower in south florida risking their own lives beneath unstable wreckage. Rescuers in surf side have now recovered. The remains of four people nowhere close to the more than one hundred fifty people who might possibly have been at home. At the time of yesterday's early morning catastrophe the anguish is palpable among families hoping their missing loved ones will pick up the phone or turn up elsewhere alive and well rescuers braving pop up thunderstorms some using their hands. Working quickly but gingerly. Listening for sounds of. Leith's tom yomas. Is there to lead off our coverage tonight tonight. Search and rescue teams locked in a painstaking uphill battle using everything from heavy equipment to their bare hands. But these new up close images show. Why hope is fading. Those were multiple floors in the building that collapsed leaving would appears to be no room for survival. Firefighters recovering three more bodies working through the night to get them out. Why this one why this place what was going on. The spiegel's are one family refusing to give up hope. Wife and mother of three. Judy was on the sixth floor. Her children had submit dna swabs in case they find her. She was the most loving mother. And what can ever ask for as families waited for any sign of life. Any news a major headline from the mayor earlier today. More people are missing. Have you seen anything that leads you to believe. There are still people alive there. We will continue search and rescue because we still have hope that we will find people alive but other elected leaders who have toured. The disaster zone told us this you think. Anyone's life state senator. Jason pizzo represents this section of south florida. He says family members have been offering to comb through the rubble themselves to find their loved ones. Whose fault is this It's all of our faults if if we've been neglecting the proper inspections this new surveillance footage showing the moments before the collapse inside of an empty condo. All of these images leaving many families in shock francis plus was out with two of close friends all of them grandmothers. They had gone to an art exhibit. One of them had a condo in the building that collapsed were. They all stayed that night. We spoke with family members over the phone. I saw a photo. And i kinda got really scared. And i think like my brother says it's kind of like going in and out of that. It was like you think my mom and late tonight news on that teenage boy. June hamler pulled out by firefighters. He survived but nbc news. Learning his mother. Stacy did not make it out alive. Tom watching those rescuers. It is hard not to have some hope that's right luster but the situation here is still so dire right now. First responders are fighting an active fire. It's the second fire. They've been fighting today. There have been multiple storms on top of that mountain of rubble. And still at this hour. There are more than one hundred fifty people still unaccounted for. A wall of photos has just been put up. People are lighting candles. They're adding roses their brain. And as you said lester. They're still holding out. Hope all right tom. Llamas thank you. And i just asked the mayor of surf side charles birkat about the urgent rescue effort there mayor to the extent that the crews have now begin to tunnel under some of that wreckage. Are there any more or less confident about finding survivors. Draw out through this morning at about eight o'clock. And i noticed they had a crew of about sixty guys on top of the pile trying to allow pieces hand hand grabbing it with their hands. But i know that date they kept going through it all and the answer to the question is is the they're they're actually going at it from many different directions bottom inside. I know just the nature of a pile like that. They are hearing some noises but is there anything that they can identify human voices. I haven't been told that they've identified him. Because that's one thing i've talked. What do you need in surf. Side right now. We are not a resource light. We are luck light. We need some luck. The mayor of surf side tonight. The federal government sending in a team of scientists and engineers started looking for possible clues on why that building collapsed. Sam brock is covering that part of the story above the rubble of this smoldering twelfth story high rise and the desperate search for survivors. Here's a look at the devastation. Before and after the collapse wiping out a huge part of the building now with celebrated efforts to find out what caused it. How soon do you think they're actually going to start the investigation. I think the investigation has already started. I use dr a torah as the meany says investigators can review design documents then take samples from debris and see if they match. They're going to look because designer specifies concrete. That has this. I want to steal. That has that. Has this strip so they want to make sure that the contractors used that type of material with an incredibly active seen today a new federal presence is arriving in surf. Side the national institute of standards and technology or nist specialized investigators for buildings so what would trigger a nest launch onto a same principle criteria that we apply is a a large with a potential or large loss in life. This has the power potentially change building code standards and his only performed a full investigation. Four times in its history including nine eleven and the aftermath of the joplin missouri tornado. This could be number five. We would want to collect preserve any evidence that we think might be helping us understand what happened in that building yesterday. Nbc news has learned a unit owner at champlain. Tower south suit management in twenty fifteen claiming lack of maintenance on an outside wall that lead to water entering through the cracks. The attorney for the condo association says this is not indicative of a structural problem that at the complex just under. It's forty years certification with improvements ongoing. There was nothing in the inspection or in the report that would have led to believe. That building was such imitate engineer. Say it is almost impossible that the rest of this building could remain standing but even if it was found to be structurally sound the emotional traumatic impact on this community is a whole other matter. Lester thank you turn out of the case. That forced a racial reckoning in america former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin sentenced to twenty two and a half years in prison today for the murder of george floyd gabe. Gutierrez is there and has late details outside the courthouse. They anxiously crowded around a loudspeaker. The court commits you to the custody. The commissioner of corrections i period of two hundred and seventy months as the judge sentenced former. Minneapolis police officer. Derek chauvin is twenty two and a half years in prison for the murder of george floyd. I'm not basing my sentence also on public opinion. I have not basing it on any attempt to send any message across. I'm taking this as a win for my community right now. We still feeling up today. Feel prosecutors had asked for thirty years in prison. The defense wanted probation and time served arguing. Chauvin was the product of a broken system and had zero criminal history with chauvin looking on today. A powerful impact statement from floyd seven year old daughter. Gianna if you could say anything to your daddy right now what would it be mission. I love nephew. Brothers also addressed the course of my family. I have been given a life sentence. We would never be able to get back then. Chopin's mother spoke publicly for the first time. My son say tennessee has also been reduced to as of as a racist of court to know that none of these things are true. Shopping himself stood up. I'm not able to give a full formal statement at this time but very briefly. I want to give my condolences. The floyd family members of its family. The sentence is not enough is twenty two and a half years in state guidelines recommended a sentence of ten to fifteen years for second degree murder but the judge said there were aggravating factors in this case among them. That chauvin abused as authorities. A police officer and that he killed floyd in front of children. It's unusual for a police officer to be convicted much less. Get a sentence like this and we can see passion still. Hi there this evening. The judge also denied the defense motion for a new trial. Demonstrators are still out tonight. S show still face. Federal charges the three or trial. Gutierrez in minneapolis tonight. Thank you in. Just sixty seconds of federal legal challenge to a restrictive new state. Voting law will others be next at is donald trump's company about to face criminal charges. Remember the feeling you got as a kid getting tucked into bed or the feeling you get now in the arms of somebody love safe and secure is a feeling of security. 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The justice department is suing the state of georgia over its new restrictions on voting and the attorney. General is hinting strongly. That more lawsuits are coming. Pete williams has more the justice. Department says georgia's republican controlled legislature rushed to pass election law changes intending to make it harder for black people to vote especially by mail which blacks tend to do more than whites. These legislative actions occurred at a time when the black population in georgia continues to steadily increase targets of the civil rights lawsuit new limits on getting absentee ballots and on group sending out ballot. Applications fewer drop boxes for returning completed ballots and a ban on giving food or water to people in line at the polls. These changes the lawsuit says were meant to push black people toward more in person voting in areas where the polls typically have long lines and the attorney general says the justice department may file lawsuits in other states passing similar restrictions where we believe the civil rights of americans have been violated. We will not hesitate to act. Georgia's republican governor. Brian kemp blasted the lawsuit calling it part of the biden. Administration's left wing agenda. The justice department is also ordering the fbi and the nation's federal prosecutors to take action against anyone who threatens state or local election officials. Lester all right pete. Thank you the trump organization now bracing to be hit with criminal charges as soon as next week. halley jackson. joining me now halley. What are you learning lester. These would be the first criminal charges stemming from that investigation by the manhattan district attorney into the former president's company a case centering on whether executives like chief financial officer alan weisselberg evaded taxes according to multiple people familiar with the matter a trump organization attorney tells nbc. They planned to plead not guilty and they want the case dismissed describing the former president as outraged. Mr trump himself may address this in his first big rally since leaving the white house tomorrow in ohio lesser. Right thank you. Howie vice-president kamla harris making her first trip to the southern border as vp today after facing bipartisan criticism. For not going sooner and the record amid the record migrant surge. nbc's. Kelly o'donnell is in el paso tonight. The journey to america's southern border is known to be perilous for vice president. Khama harris in el paso today. The risks have been political left today. Harris met with border patrol agents and toward a processing center where she met privately with five migrant girls. This issue cannot be reduced to a political issue. We're talking about owning but with a number of migrant apprehensions at a twenty year high. critics argue. She should have been here earlier and should have visited the sector with the highest. Search this from a texas democrat. If you go down to the lower rio grande there with a high activity. And you're there with kids and families. High numbers of people crossing the border Politically it's harder to do that. Harris countered that el paso inherited controversial. Challenges is here now masson than the previous administrations child region policy was unveiled harris. Visited guatemala and mexico. Earlier this month speaking to leicester we've been to the border. The border and i haven't been to europe and i don't. I don't understand the point that you're making her trip. Today was announced after former president. Trump said he would visit the border next week. The vice president spent about four hours on the ground here today three months after the president. Put her in charge of looking at migration. She called this an important trip to see what progress has been made. Lester donal in el paso thank you the head of the o. Said today cova delta variant is the most transmissible identified so far underscoring the need for vaccinations. Just over one hundred. Seventy eight million. Americans are now at least partially vaccinated in other countries new setbacks to report. Here's mollie hunter tonight. Masks sir back. On and israel as the country's scrambles to contain its biggest surge in nearly three months the new cases about ninety percent delta variant an estimated half of those cases affecting fully vaccinated adults though less seriously and really requiring hospitalization. it's made me very nervous in binyamina a delta hotspot. The town says a traveler endured quarantine sparking an outbreak ability and stay at home and in the uk delta has become so dominant accounting for ninety five percent of new cases. Forty seven percent of people are fully vaccinated. What's these variants Emerge it's like you called. Put the genie back to berry beasley professor sharon peacock. Inner team at the sanger institute are racing to sequence at new variants. An early warning system for the. Us of fishes feed isn't precinct for detection and then and then understanding what jerry really means in the us around. Twenty percent of cases are delta and experts. Say the fastest way to avoid what the uk is seeing vaccinate and is israel is doing tonight put public health restrictions back in place mollie hunter. Nbc news. london. You make a plan for when and where to get vaccinated visit plan your vaccine dot com for more of next for us here tonight. Those mysterious objects in the sky what the government is saying tonight about. 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RTFP #1006: Monster Monday

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RTFP #1006: Monster Monday

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And are like dude, I need the daddy soda shirt. I need the daddy soda shirt. So the daddy soda shirt. They shall have for right now, though, do not forget tuck heads dot com is where it's at if you want to be a diehard. Join the conversation. Join the tuck heads dot com community. All right birthday. Boy. Well, we can't say we were expecting this news Jason Witten back in the NFL after signing a one year deal to leave Monday night football in favor of playing tight end for the Dallas Cowboys while man, I mean that was a while when that came down the pike I guess Thursday afternoon sometime after we'd already recorded the final RTF p for last week pry that was stunning. It really was. And they're very rarely is news. That's that. Stunning. And there are so many different ways that you can look at this. Let's start just from Jason Whitten's perspective. Right. And I don't know, you know, I mean, we have to go by what he says, which is that. He just missed playing he missed playing, and he feels like the Cowboys have a chance to do something special, and he wants to be a part of it. And I think pretty clearly when a guy. Well, let's let's take a step back for a second. Okay. So Jason was under contract. I believe three more years at least two more years. But I believe three more years at four point five million dollars a year. Which by the way, is really interesting in of itself that ESPN would hire a guy or any network for that matter right would hire a guy unproven had never done it before to a four year eighteen million dollar contract. I'm Nestle how to money, right? That is a lot of money. So that in of itself is pretty interesting. So I'm pretty sure it was four years. I remember that when it first came out. I know that that it was three years. Right. I know I know you at least two more years off on the deal and was four point five million. Here from the Cowboys. He's making three point five million. So. To leave. The broadcast booth and to go subject yourself to put your body through what he's going to have to put his body through to be able to go out there and play and the further damage to the joints, which is significant which he's already done a decent amount of. Right. I mean, the guy's already played what fifteen years so he's already played fifteen years to go out. And I'm sure they'll manage him. Very well, which is nice in the spring. You probably won't do anything training camp. Very very little, you know, they're just trying to give them to the games. And I guess they want them to you know, to play reportedly about twenty five snaps a game. So let's take a step back on that. Right. So for him though. To choose to do further damage to his body. And subject himself to greater injury risk again. Right. So he's been pretty fortunate in terms of injuries during his career. He's got a couple of young kids. I believe maybe three to to make a conscious decision, and he'll be thirty seven. I believe this season to make a conscious decision after playing so much football fifteen years to go back and play another year at age thirty seven for a million dollars less than what he was guaranteed in the broadcast booth from ESPN and not only that you know, who knows if he plays another year after this. I'd say that's doubtful. But you never know. So he really was giving up money to subject himself to greater injury risk. Because obviously as you get older there's more injury risk to and do further damage to his body. I think at a minimum that tells you how much he really loves football and how much he really misses it because he's a smart guy. And he's smart enough to know. The risks and rewards. And I think my senses is that he really never wanted to retire in the first place. He never really wanted to stop playing. I think that he just knew he couldn't play forever and the opportunity of Monday night football became available to him. And I think he just thought I can't I can't turn this down. You know, like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with the rest of my life. But the chance that I could be the Monday night football guy for the next twenty thirty years. And I think I'll love it. And I'm already searching as a lot of football players are for what I want to do with the rest of my life when I'm done playing. Can there be a better transition gay in the world for a football player? Then being the Monday night football analyst, probably not. So my guess is he wasn't really ready to stop playing when he did. But felt like that was the prudent decision to make was to go into broadcasting as opposed to playing another year did the broadcasting for a year. It did not go very well. I think everyone would agree with that. It did not go as well. Certainly as he envisioned or. Yes. PIN or any received a lot of criticism for it. And decided you know, what I I wasn't ready to be done. I wanna play again. It's a decision that. I really, you know, I respect when people in life do what they wanna do. Let me say that. I really do. I really respect when people do what they wanna do with their lives and don't care what other people think I do. I would say. I cannot imagine making that decision. I can't imagine. I would do that. In fact, I'm very confident that I would not despite how much I love football. I've talked to you guys about it and written about it. You know, the damage that you do to your body and de injury risk that you take especially when you get up there in your late thirties. I can't imagine thinking that was a good decision to make to make a million dollars less and do that. But. He knows that. He knows those risks. And he knows what it's like to be a broadcaster and he wants to do. Anyway, he has he has weighed those risks and decided he just misses it that much, and I will say this. It's not like basketball or golf rings other sports when you're done with football, you're done. And that's the hardest part is the finality of it. Right. These other sports you can still kind of play him, right, ice hockey, guys. They don't play the NHL level, but they still can can play intramural ice hockey. If you will right rec league ice hockey, rec league baseball or softball, you still want to go out there, and you know, hit the ball go to a batting cage. Football. You really can't simulate it there really isn't any other way to just go out there and play. And so that's the finality of it is what makes it so difficult. So. I get it. I get it. I will say this. I don't know if this was a factor for him in his decision. I don't know this at all. But it really does change the narrative and flip the script in terms of Jason Witten. And when people talk about Jason went and right? I mean the longer he remained as a broadcaster. Unless he showed great improvement. The conversation was going to surround. His failings as a broadcaster. Right. The conversation was going to even though I thought he did get better during the year. And I thought there were some positives. I think that people would choose right or wrong to focus on the negatives. When it comes to Jason as a broadcaster that that would have been the reality is that people would have focused on the negatives. And. Now going back into playing getting back out there on the field that totally flips that script that totally changes that where people aren't talking about Mr. broadcaster. They'll talk about can you believe he came back. He believe he's a player again he believed on the field. Again. I highly doubt we'll ever see him as a broadcaster. Again. I think now he probably transitions into coaching would be my guest. There's already been a lot of conversation regarding that so that that tends to be my guess as to what happens next, and it's pretty remarkable. It really is. I mean, not only to retire for you to broadcast had the biggest job in broadcasting. And then go back, but also to to make a million dollars less. That's a lot of money a million dollars a million dollars less to go back out there. So that's the Jason. It went and part of it for the Dallas Cowboys. You know, I get it one of their tight ends. I think it's Swain is scheduled to be a free agent. They drafted Scholtz last year who. You know, didn't play a lot for them. But Jason wind could help mentor Schultz Swain's a free agent. They do have jar win back who did some positive things. So I would imagine that it's probably looking like jar win win and Scholtz and maybe gathers or maybe they bring back Jeff Swain. I think that they think Schultz is a receiving tight end who's got some hope, you know, they've got some belief in him, and they want witness show him the ropes Witten was around jar win for a year and jar win had that good giant's game. So I think there's some positives there. So they wanna see what jar win can do as well. And so, yeah, I think I think that's probably how they're looking at it. Neither one of those guys are really blockers. So Whitten becomes. Basically, I think the blocking tight end and probably third and short third and medium as well. As down near the goal line red zone. I think because of his creative creativity. They put Witton back in there. And I guess you could say he's as good as anybody else that would be available that they could have gotten for that role. You know, there aren't great tight ends available in free agency. So he's a good anybody for that role. I know people say, well who are they competing against for the three point five million that they're paying him and the answer is they're competing against ESPN. Right. I mean, they only offered him one point five million. He would have said look I can't come back and play football for less than half. What I'm gonna make on TV? I can't do that what I'm guaranteed to make like the next three years. So. Anyway, such an interesting situation. I wish him well, more anything. I hope he stays healthy. And I hope he goes out and plays. Really? Well, there's an interesting aspect of it too from a leadership standpoint because him leaving enabled Dak Prescott and Zack Martin Travis Frederick, and and Zeke to have the leadership role little bit thrust on their shoulders. And now that kind of goes back to Jason there's a little bit of an interesting dynamic there because he was gone. So I'll be curious to see sort of how that sort of how that plays out the leadership. Void that. I guess somebody else had already stepped up when went and left. There was leadership. Void somebody else. Other people already stepped up and now he steps back into that. That's kind of a delicate situation as well. But he believes the Cowboys had the chance to do something special. And he wants to be a part of it. All right. We also have some wide receiver news to his Thomas arrested for vehicular assault jets. Put the second round ten run Robbie Anderson. And then we found out that Doug Baldwin had both knee and shoulder surgery. So far this off season. Right. Yeah. So far too. Rough sport, man. It's a rough sport. Anytime you're having operation there's some risk there. But also, I mean something pretty messed up right for them need operate on it if it can't he on its own, and they need to do surgery for it that that's a concern. And I think when you get to the point in your career when you're getting multiple season surgeries that you really just need to kind of think about it a little bit. And you need to think about. How long you wanna play you know, how much money you've made? And if you want to keep doing damage to those joints. If you wanna play again after knee and shoulder surgeries. My guess is Doug Baldwin will. And that you know, that hopefully corrected whatever the issue was that that he was having. That's my guess, but you never know as for Marius Thomas. So it was interesting to talk bribe out the Doug Baldwin conversation. So quickly after the Jason Witten returning to play conversation as Robbie Anderson. Second round tender make sense for the jets. I don't think someone. Would try to give him an offer sheet? But you never know Robbie interesting is very very talented and then to marry his time with the vehicular assault. It was it was a one car accident. But I guess one of the passengers in his car got seriously injured. So I'm not even sure I I'm not even sure I knew that you could do that. Like, you could be arrested in a one car accident like that. But someone that was in your vehicle, but I don't know, maybe if Damascus was I guess they're alleging here that he was careless that he. Was not doing a good job as a driver and put these other people at risk. I don't know. It's. I'm not overly familiar with that. Tease. Speaking of guys like Thomas getting arrested stuck about the ravens and they cut running back. Alex Collins after he was arrested on drug and gun charges after being pulled over. Right. I mean, they already relaxing Gus Edwards more than him at this point. But still man I mean. It's hard to have a lot of compassion for guys. Like that. I don't know. You know? I don't know why you're possessing marijuana. I don't know what the gun charges were. I don't even see him. But it's just I try to tell everybody in life. I did a speech last week. It was the boy scout dinner in my hometown of reading Pennsylvania. And you know, you really only get one shot at this. It's the same thing as when I told you guys those of you that get my emails once every couple of months you sign up to get on the Email list over at raw soccer dot com. You know? For me twice didn't play basketball in the off season. When I was a football player. I did not want to take the risk of getting a serious injury. And then forever wondering what if and now, I don't know. If was Collins, I get picked up or not. But he'll now have a what if for the rest of his life. I don't know how hit the rest of his life ago the rest of his football career. We'll go, but he'll say man that maybe I would have had a good year with the ravens that year. Maybe I could have gone somewhere else. But nobody would sign me after that. I don't know what's going to happen to them. But. I just can't imagine whatever the gun marijuana. I just can't imagine that that was worth it. Did that was worth putting the question Mark on his career forever? All right. The eagles were pretty busy as well. They got new contracts done with both defensive end, Brandon Graham and Senator Jason Kelsey who was at the one russet. He's actually signed that at the UPS store you see this. Yeah. I think I did that pry I think I did that a couple times. You know, back then I have like a scanning app on my phone now. But back then I didn't. So I think my rookie contract. I think when I signed my extension with the Buffalo Bills. I think I you know, they sent me the contract in the mail probably. And I went, and I signed it and faxed it back to them or whatever at at UPS. I was I was right there with Jason Kelsey same thing. The eagles front office, by the way is just so impressive. It really is. I mean, it's just. So stinking impressive. You know? Brandon Graham was going to be one of the top free agents available because a lot of these other guys are going to be getting tagged today and tag tomorrow, and they're not gonna hit the market. So for him. He was gonna hit the market and get a lot of money. But the eagles offered thirteen million a year, and he felt like that was worth it. He didn't really want to go anywhere else. He wanted to be an eagle, and so he is but for the eagles to get that done and realized that they had a chance to keep a strength the strength and keep a really good player in the fold. I think is extremely well done by them. And then you have Jason Kelsey as well. I think he's probably the best center in football. There was some contemplating of retirement, which I don't know if that was Jason's way of trying to say, hey, I need some more money. If you want me to keep playing or not. But if it was. At worked because he got it. All right. Some of the transactions include the lion signing Romeo Kwara the falcons doing the same with Matt Shaab dolphins cut Andre branch and the patriots released Dwayne Allen. Right. So a quarter. I think had like seven sacks last year. And I think the lying is are gonna let Zeon so walk. So with them poised to let Zeon so walk. I think it was very smart of them to lock up a quarter for a couple of years that makes perfect sense. To me match up is in that glorious stage of his career where he's kind of a made guy and keeps getting these awesome contracts and keeps getting more years for all of his benefits, you know, that stack up 4._0._1._K and new itty severance pension, all that stuff health savings account. Just keep stacking them up stacking up probably a couple of million bucks a year again as a backup in Atlanta. Good for him man that say that is a coveted position as a backup quarterback to dolphin safe seven million dollars on Andrea. Branch because they give him a bunch of money. He wasn't worth it. Pretty clearly, and so they moved on from Andre save seven million dollars of cap space and the patriots. I don't think they really even save that much space Dwayne Allen they save some supposedly they might even bring them back later at a lower rate. But he just he wasn't worth the money that he was getting. All right. And finally last but not least who wouldn't be a monster Monday without talking about Antonio Brown's. He's been talking. He's been saying a lot of stuff again you want to discuss any of it. Yeah. I mean. I don't know Bri. I mean, we've talked about it a lot. I've said a lot about him. I almost don't even know what to say about him anymore other than he's not helping himself. You know, he didn't interview with Jeff Darlington. And he went on LeBron James barber shop or whatever. But in the interview with Jeff Darlington from ESPN. He was very critical of Ben Rothlisberger. And by the way, I think he made some decent points and that his right, but showing a willingness to continue to talk about something like this a couple of months later and staying in the news for negatively and calling out your hall of fame quarterback who helped you put up. Those amazing numbers. It just doesn't help him in his goal to get. A new contract to get guaranteed money. Hey, if your team has guaranteed money, tell them to call me can't do the unguaranteed anymore. You know, if your team has guaranteed money, tell them to call me. Okay. This doesn't help that this doesn't this doesn't make more teams want to sign him. It doesn't it doesn't help. It doesn't make more teams interested in bidding for his services to pay him a lot of money. And then he says he doesn't even have to play football. You know? So you're either gonna play by his rules or he won't play. He doesn't need football. It doesn't have to play. That also is probably true. He's made a lot of money. Good for him. But that's not what teams want to hear you want a new contract from teams while you're publicly declaring you don't have to play football. And you're a play by your rules, again, not helping it's not helping it's just he just doesn't get it. And I tweeted this yesterday Bri at Ross Tucker NFL, he is either getting the worst advice I've ever seen or he simply not listening to anyone anymore. I think it's probably the latter. I think he's gotten to the stage of his life where I think he thinks he's figured it all out and doesn't need to listen to people anymore. So I can't say that. I think that I agree with him. Or that's a stage. Anybody should ever get to by the way, and he's really just hurting himself. And I just I sure don't get. I had not seen the bed online. Got AG odds for his next team. I need to look at those by the way when you go to bed online dot AG, just use that promo code podcast one. And you get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. That's the key bet online dot AG. They've got that promo code podcast one for a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. Which is pretty awesome. And you can see I'm sure the ads for a lot of these things where these guys that we've been watching the last few days at the combine might get drafted where you know, where they might go in the draft where some of these free agents might end up where Nick foles might go. I know they have those odds wearing Tonio Brown might end up. I've seen the foles is I haven't seen the Tonio Brown odds over a bed online dot AG. Make sure you use that promo code podcast one. Speaking of. Of the combine while man, some really really impressive kids. I mean, really impressive de que Metcalf is an interesting one as a wide receiver because he was lightning, and he was big and he's explosive but his shuttle and three cone, which is change of direction getting Inada breaks that wasn't real good. So I thought that was interesting Quinton Williams and Montanez sweat stole the show as defensive lineman. I think a lot of people thought Rashawn Gary wood, and Rashawn Gerry is at total freak, but Clinton Williams sub for nine at over three hundred pounds Montanez sweat four four one official at two sixty those guys stole the. Show. And we're extremely impressive. Noah Fant is another one that that was incredible. For a tight end at two fifty two run. I guess four or five one. So very very impressed with loud. These guys I've told you guys before I'll tell you again for me, it's the ten yard split and short shuttle that mean the most pretty much for every position. But especially oh line D line. Other things mentioned by before we finish the show would be the salary cap has been officially set at one hundred eighty eight point two million, which I guess is a little below what some people thought it would be at one ninety. So it was said at one eighty eight point two. And then there are some reports that Todd Gurley might need stem cell treatment. And that's not good. I mentioned this last year when they said he had swelling during the season. That's never a good thing. That's never a positive. There's always some type of underlying issue there that could be chronic. And this doesn't mean his career's done or that you might not be able to come back next to you and play really, well, he probably will. But his days are numbered. That's what it means. And it means that the Rams giving him that contract was not real smart. I mean, it just wasn't that. That was not real rate of them at all not at all. So I hope he's okay. But and look he had not shown that in fairness to them. He had not shown that. But he's a guy that had torn his couch, maybe before that. And then you could point to Frank gore and TI, but you can be fine for decades after that. And that's true too. But. Very very, very bad news. I feel like for the Rams for the long term for Todd Gurley. But they're hoping probably to get a couple more really good years out of Mel do it, by the way, no time for Email questions. No real time for the big show. And really was the big show up talking a lot about the Jason Witten situation because I thought it was so cool and unique and different obviously, we'll have Andrew and Greg later on in the week college draft podcasts not going to be until Wednesday. So we will have a gigantic Wednesday as usual with the feast with even money with college draft and with Andrew on the Ross Tucker football podcast. Oh than that. I think we're done here. Listening to the tanker football podcast. 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Observercast Episode 3: Changing to Change

The Oklahoma Observercast

40:42 min | 1 year ago

Observercast Episode 3: Changing to Change

"I've Oklahoma Observer editor Arnold Hamilton and Marion Martin and this is observer cast your weekly deep dive into Oklahoma politics and policy powered by the Oklahoma Observer Democracy Foundation this past week the last week in February was the first step on week of two thousand twenty the Oklahoma legislature. All bills had a pass out of committee in their chamber of origin by Thursday afternoon. If you don't know we'll tell you. Committee deadline-week is full of legislative shenanigans. And this week was no different. This was the week where the language in bills is suddenly replaced by committee substitute language. It's the week of Zombie. Bills revived from the previous session where they sat waiting to be placed on the committee calendar with the committee chairs and if the member running a bill is high ranking enough there can be some serious twists and turns in the language they swap in and out as committee substitutes. For instance Senate bill four fifty six and February two thousand nineteen bill run by Senate president. Pro Tem Greg. Tree was one of the quintet of bills eventually signed by the governor that gave him control of five new state agencies but during committing deadline. Better the week before. The governor signed these bills Senator Tree because he can as majority leader introduced almost entirely new language and Senate bill four fifty six as a committee sub as part of the back and forth between the House and the Senate over. Who's bills would be the ones. The governor signed and which version of the composition of agency board. Compositions would make final passage committee used to be in. The committee bills went to in the Oklahoma House. However that's no longer the case well used to be an unassuming committee is now chaired by quiet. Lower ranking in relatively new house member Representatives Act Taylor and culture by Representative Lindy Tiger are pretty big figure out in Kotova homeland but in the committee are some high powered. Legislators floor leader John eccles from South Oklahoma City who controls everything that sees the light of day on the House floor in one of his deputy for leaders represented Dome Pifer as well as the majority leader. Josh West in the Judiciary Chair Chris Kennedy on this committee. We see some interesting antics for lack of a better word like can sit agenda that was passed with Multiple Committee sabs Thursday morning. This means committee members were forced to vote in bulk on twenty two bills many of which they had not seen the language for on the committee subs because there have been placed the night before no crazy tactics were were employed to pass some of the other very important bills out of committee but between the surprise. Consider Agenda in the House Rules Committee and other bills that passed out of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. Their passage goes to the heart of our theme. This session on ABS overcast. There are many bills moving quickly along this session. That will enable the governor's agenda to consolidate both state agencies and power in the governor's Office Democratic senators Jerry Hicks on the health and Human Services Committee that pass legislation this week weakening the job qualifications for agency head heads like the Commissioner of Health as well as eliminating the commissioner of mental health at the same time a bill in the House pass out of committee consolidating the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services in to the Oklahoma Health Care Authority scenario skirt and hex both expressed alarm at the passage of the bills. Watering-down eligibility requirements for agency directors like the Commissioner of. How in the has to be noted that currently the agency directors governors has appointed in twenty nineteen simultaneously have not gotten final. Senate confirmation nor does a single one of his agency appointees meet the statutory requirements for the position in so we see legislation. Lightning those requirements in order to compensate. I am synergy occurred on from district. Thirty which is northwest. Lucidity Workers Bethany and village. I'm Senator Kerry Hicks Senate district forty which is also northwest. Oklahoma City Avenue also encompasses Nichols Hills. Village a little bit of Bethany workers so this week on a deadline. We community specifically Right there was a lot of that but specifically I'm talking about legislation that evert on in the Human Services Committee lesson the basically all of occasions sport the Commissioner of Health. How went through and surgery at your reactions and responses to that bill so as a member of the health and Human Services Committee You know I think. The frustrating thing about some of the bills that have advance out of our committee. This change or that title is title is off title is stricken Which is somewhat of a you know. We don't know what's GONNA end up in here before the final vote but just know that it's a work in progress meetings sometimes depending on this subject matter. That's really a positive sign in that the authors willing to come to the table and continue to make sure that informative conversations are up need however was what we're seeing as it relates to potential consolidation. The rewriting of statutes surrounding requirements for serving the commissioner. I think it indicates that there's a real move to dismiss qualifications or work experience. That would leave to kind of this. Holistic approach to tackling a really tough thing surrounding Oklahoma's health care. So you know it's it's that even when we don't know what finally guages they continue to advance. You know observed that just as a as an observer was deeply troubled. I mean you know the eligibility requirements that typical. You know things like a master's degree in a health related field. Were being actually having a medicine or a science degree and those are not unreasonable things to ask for something that's leading our health agencies. I mean I think there's been a dismissal of professions whole professionals are being dismissed as they talk about removing eligibility removing experience consolidated agencies without understanding emissions to me. It's just a dismissal. All that expertise everything that's been learned in a whole field. Just gets dismissed. I saw in finance bill to get rid of the qualifications for the chief information officer and not only did they get a vacation. Got Rid of the salary range that was written in there. And this is an appointment by the governor and the top of the sorry inches. One hundred and seventy five thousand dollars and they're saying it wasn't high enough and I think there's an unrealistic view of what quality candidate would be for that position. If we're not expecting higher better things go ahead while she was somewhat offers the controllable to make the churches you the language that was kind of used in committee during questioning was that. There's just these are just a check off system so to speak in. This is the this is one less box to Chattanooga meaningless meaningless items And so the reality is that it's not just removing a box. It's it's removing the entire checklist. All of the language that was currently statute has been completely eliminated. And so we're hearing these fewer their riders such sometimes the whole section being a repeal. And so. We're hearing that obviously won't show up that way in final form but we won't be involved in the conversations between now and then and I think that's what continues to make us. You worried were frustrated in that you know. Those conversations do happen behind closed doors and if we want to talk about accountable and transparent government then there should be a better vetting process to what we're currently being asked to do by the governor's office when the other big thing and I think this theme frankly. The session has been just a haphazard and arbitrary nature of decision making that it seems as far as we can tell the things are being planned law second sick back of the Napkin Plan. And you're going to consolidate agencies so there's not a pre work that to study consequences there's not an analysis of what's been done in the past. Why those decisions have been made. I talked to someone the other day. Wanted to give me the history on the commissioners of Land Office because they're getting rid of eligibility requirements for that because the person that the governor has chosen for that position does not have a qualifications. Well the reason is qualification. Were put in place was because of corruption in the past actual embezzlement and so the need to make sure that that position and understanding of finance in a different way is four billion dollars of state investments that need to be cared for So I think there's a lack of understanding of history and like straight up. Not caring has been part of the problem that you raised that question like why was this in place. It's really a dismissed question. Like as if it doesn't matter someone in the past made that decision which means it must not be a good decision and the other the other story and I kind of I mean. This is a really sad story but it also makes me just kind of you know. Laugh at the craziness that what we're actually experiencing right now in the move to move. All of the employees unclassified data is the reason. Those things were put in place was actually because there was a murder because they didn't they didn't get the job And so again to go back to our state's history and understand exactly why and how these things have evolved over trying. I think is really indicative of why we have some of these protections especially around You know not only your status classification but also the requirements that are necessary to carry out the duties that were asking these individuals to discharge and when we know that we continue to fall in forty seven forty eighth and health outcomes and health rankings thing. That's a pretty strong indication that we should be advocating for more stringent requirements of an individual. Who really understands the complexities that challenges? Our current system who can speak to those and instead the direction that we're choosing to take is to move as far away from a well trained individual who could potentially truly advocate to what federal funding sources. We might be able to continue to leverage And I think that's really worrisome. And the the difference between we have this competition on the finances. A lot is the difference between a home budget on individual business budget versus public budget and finance. And I think we're doing the same thing in the health area. It's a big difference between understanding something on a small scale versus public health literally looking at all of Hamas and not and push ation for that difference in necessity of any experience or the things. We've learned along the way in these industries and these fields. So you're not a sense that he's bringing people in we listed subject area experts listening thought late conclusions to advance that that instead. It's just haphazardly. Being pushed through to advance an agenda. Well that's been a big question and it's not just the governor. This is being pushed legislative leaders. I mean that's why we're seeing is the worst of the people in these processes and changes. Were not certainly not listening to the state employees and their perspective on what's needed but definitely not listen to the voice of Oklahoma. We ask how this these changes are going to impact individual Hamas. We're getting very murky answers. One of the things is looking at all the colon and covered much such as three states goes on to separate the Kings in my career I never seen legislature will so much flow took over. I cannot figure out why God who earn much less ever rented office for held off with pay. We attention apparently to what was going on. The floor is suddenly the normal on. What's happening seniors assistant broken across the board? Apparently only she confirmed I wonder if maybe his his vision so completely aligns with like their their idea of Cutler knits which is government as business government as government. Maybe he likes because you know governor valid. I'm sorry I this is just. The current Governor Fallon was She was a public certain like she hadn't done that. Had Been Rightly she-she's she in college. I mean the way that we currently are looking at these murderers who want to put it into business terms mergers and acquisitions mean this is not the way a business community would be proposing to merge because they would have had you know. Economists anyways studies that stakeholder analysis would have absolutely indicated what what challenges opportunities would be presented with these potential mergers. And this I mean. Maybe the governor's team has done those things you know. I mean I've said right. He's not paying. It shouldn't shouldn't referee liberal desert grants. Well it's happening now. I mean they have him that contract out security consultancy around merging health and medical related agencies. That just happened a couple of weeks ago and they they had a meaningful agency directors including board directors licensure boards. They're studying it now happened. Was that open to the public. Because I don't remember because I'm sure you could go open records at but now it's not. That's because that's something that we've really been trying to understand like this idea of putting everything under the health department now you. You actually probably know the background. Which is I think we're GONNA run into some federal challenges around these things certainly the funding streams but also federal requirements around notice and Community Input Center the merger proposal of the Turnpike Authority Department transportation for instance which has serious challenges around finances each finding has separate funding. Yeah you know that the first pitch was a cop savings emerging because we we're GONNA see potential cost savings stayed. I just was curious to know what high no cost savings. You might be able to anticipate and knowing that we don't necessarily have the best projections for the next quarter and so Where we might be able to kind of numbers of all and none of that was available. And so you know. Ultimately the final say was just that it's it's about aligning the mission of the agencies. Which I mean. They do have some more missions. And you know it's all it's all related transportation but the only to the frustration. I think too is that you know those separate entities do have different bonding capacities and so if these are having to have some real critical conversations about what what this potentially jeopardizes were willing to forego some of those dollars at the expense of aligning mission. When it I mean if it's the Talking about which is you know planning and respecting the work. That needs to get done research. I mean I see. I don't have a problem with change. I do not apologize problem with changing to change like if the intelligence just to save change something. That's not working. It's worth it to me. We actually are discernibly. Rooting lives in Oklahoma. Better got say are questions about planning about. The numbers are not welcomed. And I think that that's people have this demand you know. GimME REASONING BEHIND US. Because just because it sounds good does not mean that it's been author all coming from again this guy who office before hardly wait on the rim version. Look at the agenda of the State Chamber. This is State Chambers list. This is on this out. This is not just the governor. State Chambers still advocating for merger of agencies which. I don't understand that either. I don't know how it would benefit other businesses. You know what I mean like I. I don't well I mean I think the other thing to consider is just that institutional knowledge of folks that have worked as public servants in some capacity and state government Those stories are really powerful to say. You know I've been around secret long enough to watch Tara apart put it back together. Turtle part again just for the sake of change and so. I think we do have to be really careful about you. Know being pragmatic In discerning of long-term goals and long term thinking and so- Senator. Kurt has been excellent especially on the financial pieces of really trying to figure out. How do we stress test our state's budget? Who are we at a point where we can really start to look at long range planning for win? We're expecting a forecast a downturn. Ge How would you leave me those names at level instead of new somewhat arbitrarily setting money aside for when things get bad and not really having an understanding of how long does that sustain US? And how severely would the downturn after? I mean. These are the kinds of questions that I feel like have to be asked and answered and unfortunately at this point you know we find ourselves kind of in this posture. Asking a lot of questions That are are somewhat received as off putting from from our colleagues because they don't have answers that are compelling at this point in time so I think all of us deserve to have really articulate and intelligent responses from the question that we know deserve thoughtful answers and thoughtful restaurant says. Because we're I mean we know that Oklahoma are dying based on policy and to be unwilling to meet those questions with a thoughtful response is absolutely egregious. You know I think that if if when we encounter fear or pushback about even asking critical questions. I think that shows a lack of planning. Frankly because if you know your plan if you know your mission and you know you're feel you know what you're talking about you don't push back like that. You can defensive sing out that way we just but this way or like my last week about the rainy day fund cap. I don't care what the raining on cap is fundamentally. I WanNa know why that number. What recession would that help us? With what are we talking about new revenue streams into that? What can the numbers are we talking about and somebody has not sat down and crunched numbers to really know what I'm talking about. That's a problem to me. Search suggest that it's not good politics to sell. Merced being good stewards. We raise the amount the state and below act really treating it like a home budget. And you know I made my conversations with them have been that L. Boris good and people know that it's good to say well. Yeah but we also need to look at public finances different. You know. There's different grabby streams we can be. Let's be realistic about it. And said fearful. I mean this week we had separate bills come up that I said this is fear. We're signing this on fear rather than Saint. Here's what we know of our economy. Here's here's smart like if you look at writing streams let's talk about what volatility are we saying it's GonNa be a zero. We say fifty percent. I mean we can be realistic about it into meat. Nuts honest good policy making is if we are frank about it. Let's talk whiskey scenario right. It's not going to go to zero but the site of this conversation that we've just come out of a decade of really really difficult budgeting and so to be somehow in in a position. Now where critical Needs continue to go on and even just unaddressed in the conversation. Because we're we're saving for another Rainy Day. I think is really tough From my background in education class sizes have not gone down woman any decrease in those classes until we are willing to talk about the challenges that have to be addressed in the environment We've addressed some of the salary issue but the work environment itself continues to be a challenge when people are talking about fixing broken pipeline to teachers. The reality remains that thirty thousand certified teachers in Oklahoma currently not in the classroom. That means that we shouldn't be looking at incentivizing. Short term fixes. We absolutely deserve engage in a dialogue. That looks at things in a more. Holistic manner and education is just one example but there are so many areas that really deserve some additional critical investment. In right. Now you know the idea is that we can't you know keep you can't spend that money you know because worst times are coming. Combat idea. I think is very jarring. If you start about not looking at history is that tax cuts only ten years ago have reduced our revenue stream spot an estimated billion dollars a year we have two two billion annually in tax credits exemptions and deductions and frankly. Some of those are good policy. I mean the childcare tax credits people to work. But if we're looking at that whole picture of revenue that we're turning away covering the needs of a growing population of kids increased innovation in education understanding mental health understanding trauma. It's into backed on learning if we if we learned what can hopkins. Why aren't we investing more to make sure that happens you? Now we'll and last year I mean not in two hundred million million hours. Two Zero two hundred million is put into the separate account. Above what was the Revenue Civilization Fund? Yeah capped out in Iranian fine Ultimately work have funded the DA's budget requests for account cirque war will be able to invest in the counselors that we know absolutely need and deserve our children's mental health and those needs continue to go on and with the upcoming budget proposals in the budget process obviously on the horizon. That's where I think You know continued talks about expanding. Tux Credit Calves and other things that will impact dot tax base. That we've worked really hard to grow in the last two years. You know those needs will continue to go unmet. If we're not lying to invest the dollars to make sure that those things are are being prioritised so you explain it to conform with actually had collection. It's it is somewhat complicated. They may go train to believe that that you can cut your way to prosperity. How can you explain the you give what you're paying for? You have to make as a person the is that unifier I really do. I think that Oklahoma understand the fact that we have the second highest rate of uninsured adults in the country is not reflective of laziness. Because your neighbor. That's you know the people down the street. Those are the people that you interact with on a daily assurances employer base and I mean they're potentially working two and three jobs to make ends meet and it seems as though insurance is somewhat of a luxury and bats very concerning to most Oklahoma and to believe that we all deserve SOM- level of access to healthcare and SORTA watch communities close down their community hospitals. Which are not only that access point to receiving healthcare but also really great jobs in those local communities. I think it's been very eye-opening For folks who might have maybe been complacent on this issue prior to relief experiencing at first hand. And so I mean my message to all Oklahomans. Is that if you don't feel like the current system is working for you. Then you need to be paying attention to the decisions that are continued to be made in our work environment. Dan Day out because it's it's not unintentional in my personal opinion. The thing that decisions that we are asked to make on a daily basis are impacting everyday. Oklahomans in a massive way. So on those lines that fact to the qualifications for state agency directors is it willful to surround yourself by people? Who are not qualified to give you. The best information is returning to a good old boy system. You know we've tried to get out of the thoughts I talked to my constituents about. They're worried about good old boy system worried about Russia. They worry about insular thinking and I think that's a big concern is like diversity of thinking is good for processes business now moved again And so I think it's it's that insert thinking that you know the smartest on it's going to be fine. I think the other part of that too is with reduction of boards and Oversight for Public Accountability. I think that continues to be a a major concern to most individuals assume those things are happening and when they understand or realize that. It's not actually happening. It's a wake up. Call into an awareness that we have minorities transparent state processes in the nation. And I think people who come from out of state or shock violate the. We don't have the testimony process that we don't have very many consistent. Community processes are wasted their feedback. I mean we silence the public's voice and those were some of the few ways we had community voices at the table granted not the same as a grassroots voices but to me that's why Acura ethics processes elections processes. Because I feel like when we disempower people to participate I mean. Where would you insert your voice in our system right now? It's so untransparent. Decided at the last minute if we in the building do not know the decisions that are being made how can an average Oklahoma and he's on amherst image ops time too so like we need fair systems all across the board and a commitment to listening to the voices of Oklahoma's and their needs some of that way will it happening even with any with the initiative process and there's you know central continues to exempt himself records. My final thing that I just WanNa make sure we touch on is that the census is obviously closer than it appears in so making sure that everyone is really prepared and engaged To not only make sure that they're answering and you know doing a complete cat within their residents also really kind of taken a community approach towards engaging your neighbors and whether it's your business or the school that you work in the church that you attend you know making sure that people understand how critical unnecessary data's every person counted As a early childhood educator most undercounted population is babies and kids and so we need to make sure that every single Oklahoma shows up in a complete count because that's estimated that loss of about sixteen hundred dollars per individual that is not counted that we're losing our federal streams of revenue per year. So make sure that you're not only ready and prepared to answer the census. You engage your community to do the same. I don't think you can count you. Think so you know. What is your crystal ball for the next couple of weeks? I mean we have the next two weeks. What do you predict anything like Lufti weeks? We're going to see a lot of bills that I don't think are meeting. The most critical needs. I mean. We're seeing bills on more easy access to guns which I don't hear as the biggest critical need in our communities. I see a lot of cleanup language for previous bills that we didn't do. We were too hasty in passing. So I'm worried that we'RE NOT GONNA HAVE. We didn't. We didn't pass dramatic. Healthcare bills and education bills are all just tweaking with mandates is I I can tell so. I'm not seeing things that are going to improve owns lives coming out of our legislature right now. So I'm concerned about. I feel like we'RE SPENDING WHEELS. And then this whole like wait to see what? The governor wants Approach to me is not good. Governance Ocean wobble suitable Adroit the base of here. This is new to me is just my second session so everyone said it would be different. I know the certainly all the key hot button issues have come up so far. That's for sure and it seems like everyone in the majority praised. Get an opportunity Hurting if they're what I would consider irrelevant or not appropriate so the minority in the Senate side is not being able to hear the. The bills aren't being hurt. That was that was a big thing. Two years ago. You Know Wean House well so our leader Center Lloyd and she's masterful and very disciplined at getting substantive legislation through so. I don't know where we stand on that. We certainly hope she has a very good relationship with the pro town. She's done a very good job. Keeping US We we don't undermine those relationships but I will say this. I know Sarah Hicks worked really hard on some very substantive. Health related initiatives around maternal health baby health. That didn't move forward. I have an ethics bills that of course languished and so they're certainly important solutions that I think should have been considered that weren't but we'll have to do a big assessment dot com. I would say our priorities out of whack on what I've heard so far now too I mean I I just encourage everyone. Don't just get frustrated. Didn't shutdown being inside the building. Even sometimes I'm like why am I even know the other day? I asked probably a hundred questions at a rules committee because there were so many important issues and they were going to go before the people as ballot questions like. I need to ask these questions because we should not be sending really thought through things about bright and frankly sometimes it's harder to fill is worth it because then they would pass eight to ten eight two two eight two two even with those concern constitutional concerns etc. But we have to ask those questions and I think that sometimes legislators only hear a few voices and it can impact them to hear voices outside their bubble especially the local voices from their community. I encourage people not to give up into all issues. You care about you. Do not have to be an expert on all things being engaged. I think that's something from the outside as an advocate. I felt like why not that informed. It really doesn't matter of telling your story if there's one thing and care about speak up on it because we will have hundreds of bills come through and no one from our district comments on them but we will be hearing from lobbyists every day. Yeah sure people's lobbies trip thank you so much thanks for you. I mean as much as as the rural is it gives the subject. Is it still very soul satisfying to talk? Serve a lot of people you know I would say our caucus and sought for people who are doing the work. They're meeting everywhere. They're trying to raise concerns and I think that's our obligation to the people for sure. We want to take a moment and circle back on a few things in this episode. Because we like to encourage our listeners to reach out to their legislators if what they've heard bothers them this way you can do your own homework and come to your own conclusions. The specific bill number Senator Kurt and Senator Hicks and the health and Human Services Committee were referencing. Were Senate Bill Eighteen seventy authored? Originally by Senator Jason Smalley. Who stepped down this winter? So Senator Casey Murdoch is carrying the bill this bill roles back the qualifications for Oklahoma state. Commissioner of mental health is Substance Abuse Services which we call Diem. H Incident Bill. Eighteen sixty three does the same and is also carried by Senator Murdoch. Remember what senator. Kurt said that Murdoch just repeated under questioning that he trusted the governor who requested the bill. He trusted the governor. He trusted governor so. This is a governor's bill. It's something the governor wants to see happen. It will pass and he will sign it then. There are a whole host of bills that the House Rules Committee tried to pass on the consent agenda meaning rather than discussing and voting on twenty two individual bills. One vote covers it. And there's typically noticed Discussion on the consent consent agenda during the House Rules Committee meeting. This sharp is if a couple of house. Democrats representative Andy. Fugate and represented. Mount Meredith caught a few bills removed from not consent agenda. House bills forty sixty four forty sixty eight in forty seventy eight now. What do those bills do? Forty sixty four consolidates the Oklahoma Department of mental health or Substance Abuse Services again. Dm Age into the healthcare authority. It's a state agency consolidation bill by House Speaker. Charles McCall from Tokyo House Bill. Forty seventy eight changes the board composition for the Department of Mental Health. I believe it lowers their forum requirements and House Bill Forty Sixty eight lightens the Oklahoma Commissioner of health job qualifications consent agendas are used for housekeeping items not for Major Agency consolidation and repeal of this magnitude. What really seems to be eliminated as we look more closely as the governor and clearly his accomplices the majority in the State Legislature Push Governor. Stitz state agency consolidation. Agenda is. They don't seem to be willing to do it in the light of day. They don't seem to be able or willing to put all their cards on the table for the people of Oklahoma to see in order for the electric to understand their motivations and rationale for making massive changes to the government of the state of Oklahoma. That's the purpose of having this committee meetings as the purpose of having these on the record so even if you can't be there at some point you can go back and listen and find out what you needed to know. And that's what you re. Representatives and senators are supposed to be doing for you. What does this mean for these job? Qualification bills that ease up on the requirements elitist agency. Do they matter? And why well if you hire exactly who you want and can put your people in these positions instead of an inside hire someone with experience and public service or knows the agency or the job that they're being hired to do. These new hires come strictly from the private sector which does not have the same checks and balances and open records requirements of state government. That it's not too hard to begin to close the curtains on government transparency. I'm not assigning. Any sort of ill will or malice on behalf of these hires. Because he's candid is just don't know need different. And there's little to no institutional knowledge left behind to warn the private sector leaders otherwise all that's left our intrepid citizens and pushy inquisitive opposition legislators and frankly journalists to keep pushing back last summer when the Governor Rebuilt Oklahoma Checkbook his secretary of digital transformation. Dave Ostro said the new online state-financed checkbook quote shine a light on Tuesday agencies. 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"We're in business to save the planet and will use making close to do that for over forty five years. Patagonia has committed to taking responsibility for their impact on the environment by pioneering sustainable practices and inspiring other businesses to do the same the cure for depression action. Every one of us has to step up and do what you can. According to what. Your resources are patagonia in business to save our home. Planet join us. You're listening to the drawback production of duct tape and beer with additional support from who at racks because you love your bike and kicking horse copy. Wake up and kick pass a good morning cordelia. Happy thanksgiving happy thanksgiving. So i saw this quote floating around somewhere. Which is this is not the year you get everything you want. This is the year you appreciate everything you have. I would say that that hits twenty twenty on the head so to that end. I've got two questions for you today. Fits i what have you appreciated this year. a lot. I mean from a life work parenting personal level being honest about twenty twenty. It's it's been the most challenging year my life But i'm also day when i opened the newspaper. I'm super cognizant of how incredibly fortunate our family is for all the reasons right If i were to get a little bit more specific. I've been so grateful that bekker's accident wasn't as bad as it seemed at first She's making a full recovery so that that was a huge thing in my life this year. And i'm so grateful for our health you know Kids getting to watch them grow up on the daily which is which is kinda cool. It's been a little bit less hectic in certain ways in my life You know my community. We felt so lifted up when things were difficult for us that it didn't actually feel that difficult times and This podcast yeah but when Twenty twenty ends in like four to five months. I two five months was joking joke. It's a joke. Cornelius seriously. this this year will end in four five months. Don't worry about it next question. Okay what about those things that you wanted like. What are the sides of this year. That did feel disappointing to you. I think that's that's harder for me to talk about. I mean it could be like. Oh i didn't get to go on a trip in like i don't know i'm just not that worried about that I want my kids to be happy. You know. I want to be happy. I wanna be happy Particularly with my kids right Know it's a big issue with their youngest wiley but for tap. It's been more of a thing i mean. Given given the circumstances. I sort of had to accept that. I'm not totally in charge of that. That you know tips world is has changed you know. And he's spending his days on the never ending. Zoom call called school and out to all the teachers out there. Because i know it must be so rugged on the other end of that You know he's pretty limited social activities in you know we've got into new restrictions and basically the little bits that he did have vanished groundhog day for him right now and and like my my heart goes out to him Like even like you know we we've been getting like library books you preserve them online you drive thru you get like an appointment. You pick them up. And he's like fist pumping psyched when that he's like yes new box. And you're like that's wonderful. But i'm done reading but it's maybe like a little bit out of proportion. I normally like normal library trips Yeah so what have you been doing to try to keep him sane You don't it's funny I've been doing what kept missing in happy through so many parts of my life And i've been taking climbing I am pretty cognizant that just because i love something doesn't mean my kids should or will You know in the past. He's if he psyched. We go Camping with a bunch of family. I'll take on the kids top roping but you know outside of like a trip or two a year. He hasn't shown a lot of like excitement in climbing. Like he's way more psyched on skiing or biking or hiking in the outdoors. Like he didn't like that totally cool this year during the fall though it was like we just need something to to sort of break the monotony of his world and give him some any kind of like look forward to to basically once a week we were. We were doing that in the last few months And for me climbing is something. I worked really hard at like. I gave a lot of myself. Put a lot of energy into it to become to excel at it. Become good at it. It was great at it. But i was pretty competent. Pretty good Into like i know a lot about this board. I know from like the technical sides. And i've just been go. I've just been doing my best to just let him do what he wants with climbing. Like if you want to hang upside down like a wrecking ball from a rope. Go for it did you wanna you wanna leave to the next hole. Go for it. You want to do the same route over and over again hell. Yeah i think in normal time so many kids are being put into climbing as a sport like the way they would soccer that it's like something to succeed in that it's a team and and that's not how i discovered it. I got to discover it outside of competition or athletic. Excellence and right now. With wwe trips i want to say to tap like hey. This is climbing. Do what you want with it. It doesn't come with any rules or instructions. If you don't want it to just let it make you smile today. We have a story about that sense of discovery. And the places it can take you. It's kind of wonderful. I'm fits kahal. I'm cordelia czars. Actually quick question is that working with trump. it's bright spot and that's all it needs to be right now. Good you're listening to the dirtbag eiriksson one fall afternoon. Fifteen-year-old fernando rodriguez and her sister went for a walk in the woods outside their neighborhood in guadalajara mexico when they rounded bend on the trail. Fernande noticed a group of people gathered around iraq in. I said to my sister. Did you see these guys are like doing something in iraq and my sister she has. They are wall kaeding. They rock in. We didn't know. Even these were climbing. Within our anything of about cloudy and i was shocked at fernanda and her sister gazed at the group of climbers mesmerized. They slowly inched closer until they could trace every movement with there is one of the boulders notice fernandes enter sisters staring at them through the woods he hollered over and invited them to join and my sister. And i see other diego. I my sister. Say i and i say sakon fernanda who also goes by feddie approach the rock and the group of climbers timidly. She asked where to start and they helped her find holds and place her feet and hands on the boulder. I consider myself very lucky. Humanity feddie tried a few moves and the climbers coached and encouraged her. The feeling of being on the rock was something she'd never felt before climbing. Brought me to these amazing feeling of freedom. I love me to feel the control of my life in be responsible for my on the station's climb being take me to this instinct like mile like moving around the threes. The rock in. It's show me a world of possibilities in one really happy. World for nando had grown up in a small apartment with her four brothers and sisters mom and dad for me to be at child was like just be a quiet person and joe saw playing with my brothers and sisters and there were no chance to like olympic. Did nasty girl. Some females used the magic myself as a great athlete. When i was a child but for the moment financially wasn't enough first of all my parents were worry about feeding me. All the focus were in the pay for expenses of the house. Then everything else was held luxuries even take him vacations. Where now the parl Tamila plan growing up in a crowded apartment. Fernanda relished the chance to get outside even for a walk. She loved the feeling of moving along a trail of breathing. The fresh air and listening to the birds. It gave her a space to wander and daydream when fernando was growing up in the nineties and early two thousands not a whole lot of infrastructure existed in mexico for girls to play sports especially girls from low income neighborhoods in guadalajara. So fatty used her walks in the woods to connect to her body and fantasize about becoming a professional athlete so when she set her hands on a boulder for the first time something clicked. I started feeling something inside me. Like a flame while sleep in my heart. After that first day fernanda came back to the boulder every day after school and every weekend through practice her body began to understand the rock the dance of balance strength and mental control. I never went to the climbing gym. Guess i have no idea that exists instead. Fernanda found her strength on the vertical faces of elephant. It's famous in mexico for its granite walls. Perfect for bouldering. Sport climbing as a teenager feddie started to build friendships with the older climbers who frequented the area soon. She began tagging along with them to sport. Climb walls in the area. Her sister started climbing too. And the pair of them up to each other on bigger and bigger walls. As the months went by. I was attended the high school from seven to to an after i straight to the rocks to climbing from to get to the world from three to a clark maybe yes is paying all the evening in iraq just for fun just because i really love this sansa there and being there just climbing or not. Just spend my time there. In the forest in the nature fernanda had never felt so strong happy and connected with nature. She switched over to spanish to explain in more detail which she'll do a couple more times in the story the only gonna feel shut If when i say connection with nature i mean the conversation. I have with myself with my own nature because when you're on the mountain you're hearing the river you're hearing the birds. It's all part of listening to your own being as it calls to you. It's listening to everything that connects you in that moment. To a state of flow is a lot is. Does your in more mental because timing is a meditation and movement. It's a way of enjoying the present moment and climbing brings me into the president may start britian. Fernandez family didn't know what to make of her new activity. My family i think. Just be careful careful if you die. I don know what happened after so. It's your responsibility. if you fall. Or if you break your arm or a bone saw just dunk cry and be responsible and i say things for the vice and thanks for the support and to be honest. My mom and my dad dossier know about climbing. 'cause they thug was just walking walking in the mountain. And they didn't know about anything else and endowed days. I didn't bring any picture any fata already. Bdo kasai didn't hobbit cell phone or a camera. i asked fernando. Her family said when she came home with scrapes and dirt on her hands. I know i use to wash my hands before. Because if i came home super theory maybe they just say to me. Stop to do this. Kizer super thirty girl. And i say okay i maybe i just wanna wash my hands and do some laundry before that i i used to worry about that. Kiss my parents where alike where you doing. Where to beam. They had no idea. Fernando didn't want to risk being forced to give up her new passion it was her way of rebelling of escaping to a space that made her feel empowered and joyful despite her family's poverty and despite a culture that discouraged girls from playing sports so she kept her little secret to herself disappearing into the woods and coming home with a proud grin and freshly washed hands but as she climbed more fernandez body begins take different shape and that was harder to hide from her family and friends when i was a child. Iowa's out like super skinny girl in a why nice tar climbing i started doing loss wholesaling saying my in my body and people say what are you doing are two weightlifting or something. Like that and i say no. I'm out rod climate. Are you up. Lean down no. I'm rock climate. I'm going up and they say is your body is like a man's body fernanda adored the way climbing made her feel but as a teenage girl. The commentary about her changing body didn't fail to affect her. Its ports where just farrah man am five. Girls were just skinny. Girls and dancers are just Regular type of body in for me was iowa's the first generation of climbers in mexico. The curls look like what are you doing drew looks like almost a man and i was like. Oh my god. One day i came home a nice see myself in the mirror and they think about it. And i maybe i have to stop it. Fernanda for the first time felt shame for her bulging shoulders and calloused hands. She wondered if maybe she taken this dream too far. But i say to myself from now is just stop to climb. Stop to be happy. Joe's don her about it and keep doing to really love to do which is climb for. Nando cast aside the expectation society for her as a girl and continue to climb steadily for the next several years at that time. Fernando only knew of four other girls who climbed in her home state. She got to know more people mostly guys in the climbing community around guadalajara and they helped push her near the end of high school. Fernanda heard about a bouldering competition happening close to one of her friends and climbing mentors nudged fernanda into signing up the competition had three categories beginner intermediate and advanced when fernanda to list her name. The beginner category. She saw all the slots were full. The only option left was to sign up in the advanced category. She'd be competing on bowler. Problems rated v six and v twelve and in advance. We were like seven girls. Always save in in all around mexico. Fernanda chalked up and told herself to try our best even though she figured she didn't really have much of a shot in the advanced category. I want the second place. Yes and the first one was one of the best climbers in mexico cherished seila and she won the first place the second place prize gifted a month free at a climbing gym. A pair of climbing shoes and a harness fernanda had never had the money to climb at a gym or to buy any of her own gear. So she was over the moon. I felt super capi. And i say okay i one. I've got the next competition and maybe the price is going to be a row. At gregory are quick gross in. I can't happen my our equipment for climbing. Because i don't have money for by clement and i start to think about serious civility for being a professional climber and i this i okay. This is my chance. I see a chance for me that they inspired by that first competition outside guadalajara. For nanna set her sights on becoming a professional climber. She knew that she had the determination and skill to reach her goal. The factors limiting her growth would just be time and money. Even when i was in the school. I've been climbing and i've been working at the same time in wine. Finally i finished highschool. I am star working at plaza. Celine shoes and i was terrible. Terrible job is was super bowl and like time job and i. It's not my goal to be here and just thinking about climbing and just contacting the hours for going out. I missed star working for like tremont and then after skipped and describing and then when they morning ends i back to work after her job in the plaza fernanda rotated between waitressing painting houses and washing dishes even with her hectic schedule. Fernanda started winning competitions. Her gear collection grew and her confidence and comfort on the rock skyrocketed. She started competing in more elite tiers and focused on a disciplined training regime soon. She decided to participate in a series of competitions that allowed her to qualify for the federation of climbing in mexico. A national team. Sport climbers supported by the mexican government. She hoped the federation would begin. Sponsoring her as a full time athlete if she climbed well enough in the coming years with your peers on the team. Fernandez started training more in climbing gyms and traveling around mexico for indoor competitions. She didn't get outside as much anymore but she reasoned it was the price you had to pay to set yourself up for professional climbing career gala. Is ill memento in those split. Us more remain thoughts and then he climbing is about the movement and the movements or more or less the same whether it's in a gym or on a rock outside but the feeling changes ally. Climbing outside is a feeling of frito. It's a feeling of connection with mother. Earth and with our own beings. Look so i miss most and for me. Climbing in a gym takes away that feeling of freedom and focuses more on the elements of training and discipline. Because that's what. I was seeking an evolution on my career as a rock climber climbing in a gym. We'll never give me the same feeling of freedom as climbing outside on the rocks. No matter whether that la libertad kimmy is cala. So fatty gave up her sunsets and fresh air for more time to train in the gym. Her eyes set on sponsorship after many years of working part time training and traveling with her team to competitions for nancy competed for the mexican team in a circuit of world cup qualifiers in two thousand twelve. The competitions began at the regional level and then advanced a state and national championships. The climber to win the most points over the competition would have the chance to represent mexico in the twenty twelve bouldering world cup in vail colorado. At twenty four years old fernanda won the entire series. She looked to the federation hopeful. Her win would merit sponsorship but the federation which only receives a small sum of money from the mexican government. Each year only had enough to buy fernandes flights to america fernanda took what she could get. She figured maybe she performed. Well enough unveil. She earned another shot at proving talent and getting sponsored to climb fulltime after the break fernanda had sta vail. Stay with us. Support comes from good people at patagonia. Alex never met a route. Couldn't climb in short order until he encountered bibliography and undone sport line french super crag say use. It's one of the sweetest sweeps of limestone in the world. I tried throughout in two thousand seventeen. It became a three year long project over that time. He encountered doubts injuries. All five to the olympics and it wasn't until the shutdown cove megan's returned to see us hardest routes ever climbed cured fifteen. It's crazy climber. Here's you can watch the film brought punk bibliography on patagonia's youtube channel. Starting november eighteenth additional support comes from king horse. 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As you sized up the competition. I knew immediately that it will be difficult race for me at that point. If i really wanna conquer want super feigel which is The win one of this competitions with one boy only exceptional and she looked around the room a lot of sponsored athletes. Their job was to train with her work schedule. Fernando was lucky to get three or four days of training in every week after completing six buller problems in the first round fernanda came in twenty fourth place. Vale is a global draw among the six women and men podium finishers to would go onto qualify for the olympics nina williams who's one of today's leading outdoor climbers. She came in twenty fifth. Being twenty four. Th in the world without sponsorship is incredibly impressive but fernanda. It was a huge disappointment in the west super far away from from the first place and i say no furniture that this is not for you. I feel sat about my results. And i see all my disipline before the competition that i say it's not enough for me and i do my best. I think i happen. Not chance at this point of my life. I can't go to work in just five like three or four days just for training and i see my gold super far away from me. I saw these girls in the podium super far away from the possibilities from my own training and firm i economic situation to be honest i was was kind of like break heart. Fernanda had hoped that if she reached the podium unveil she'd get sponsored to climb professionally. That was the life she dreamed of. Since she was fifteen years old but unveil she realized that becoming top athlete in this field meant a few things training full-time and traveling to more competitions and she couldn't afford to do either while it's great to be there and was the m permit Disheartened fernanda flew back to her home. In mexico. she looked back on the thousands of hours of training the discipline. The exhausting schedule the dreams. She'd set her mind to since she was a girl and wondered what had all been four. She felt like crying and for the first time since she was a teenager. She thought maybe she should quit. Where had rock climbing gotten her anyway. Fernando closer is and let her mind settle. I see myself in that clear space and i say okay rhonda watts knicks and for a long time i was trading we the very clear objectives might challenge our was Weena competition get on the podium with the mexican flag and represent my country with pry fernanda realized then that for competitions for so long all inside. Jim's had letter away from the way she used to interact with the sport connected to nature connected to herself. She pursued sponsorship for so long that she'd forgotten what it felt like to traipse through the woods after school klima wall and watch the sunset. I this high of return to their rocks and rock climbing with the same passion that experienced it on my bur fares they climbing and their rog being in the mountain and doing what. I liked the mosque climbing for climbing for fun for free for myself. I decide to read the rag my goals to find my to purpose in life. No mexican woman has climbed by fourteen. You can be. The first fernandez started working in a gym. In monterey another city about ten hours northeast of guadalajara teaching children the basics of climbing and her off time she began researching five fourteen routes in mexico. It's hard is one of the most popular places in the north of mexico and this beautiful line it's called the h. Bomb is one of the most popular f. i. Fourteen in mexico. And i say i remember going try. H-bomb is a to pitch five fourteen face. Climb at a limestone crag called la cueva in l. salt though it's famous for the giant h shaped hole halfway up the wall as well as it's very textures and holds when fernando set out for her first training mission in el salto couldn't get over. How good it felt to be back outside requires o other than is is next year. I remember coming back to that. Feeling of connection connection with nature and connection with myself. I felt myself settle into a state of flow. Finally i was in a place where there weren't all these rules. Like the were in the competitions. About what you can and can't do and those must Rock everything is more freestyle on the rock. Everything is more personal. So that reinvigorated. My passion for the sport tableware may as impede posture for the report. Fueled by her new mission. Fernando recreated the sequence of the crux in her climbing gym and worked on the moves every day after work on weekends. She practiced on the rock. After a month of training fernanda packed up gear and headed to el salto on an evening in october. She and three of her friends hiked the thirty minute approach into the canyon and camped out under the stars. Fernando was too excited to sleep that night at six the next morning. She unzipped her sleeping bag. Did some stretches and rub their hands together to warm up. She stepped into her harness and proper gear. After a few deep breaths fernanda started up the route. I say to myself i just go do your best and models. If you folger's gopher her friends tutor on from the ground shouting bingo bingo. Which means come on. Come on the first. Part of the route is pretty tranquillo. Just a five eleven plus no big deal so she used the i ten meters to wake up her muscles. She felt good connected in the first part. But you have the arch. And then it's like kind of traverse at the top of that first section fernanda rested with a knee bar in the big eight shaped hole. She took a few breaths and stared up at the first crux. It's a short section. Just seven meters and rated a v ten boulder problem at that cracks per find. It's kind of like sites lice to reflect fled size in a little bit auber han pinches to pass after the crux fernando sped through the next fifteen meters until overhang where she rested again before taking on the third section feddie had memorized or sequence to get through the technical five twelve plus climbing. I asked for none of what she thought about as she climbed. I've used thinking about. I want to be the school to be honest. The was my purpose. But at the same time i was in the road feeling the moves just feeling myself and in iowa super focus on my process and i i was super happy to be again in their rocks after just twenty five minutes. Frenetic pulled herself through the final move and touch the top of the route. When i got to the top. I was like i don't know how explained like i was like in ecstasies. I was like in a dream. Lena team i couldn't believe it in iowa like this is real. Yes it's real inch you are no pomp yours. Completely arresting in the ride sports and i was super super happy about it indefinitely. I say to me for these. This is the this defer assistant as a comedian. So this is the kind of the beginning. This is the beginning. This is the beginning. This is the beginning of your life. In twenty twelve fernanda became the first mexican woman to climb a five fourteen. Route reaching the top of the pitch. That date lit a fire in her heart. Much like the feeling she'd gotten the very first day. She discovered climbing all those years ago that they climbing reminds me that all i need to do it's be happy. Be confidence in through that things for me. If i going to do something has to be just for me and for inspire authors in a good way in feeling that freedom that opens my mind opens my heart to reconnect. Why i'm a rock climber. When i was thinking about this. I remember this. Sarah gazon by jimmy cliff. It's called you can get it if you really. It's a nice dog. it's oregano And say you can get it if you really want. Just just do most try. Try and try. Try and try and something like that. But it's really cool. Saw ragavan the passion for what we love to do or purpose in life is stronger than any economic limitations so money. It's not a -scuse without climbing. She's not sure she would have learned how to turn the obstacles in your life into stops lomas. Import dante kim. Golob athough is for me. The most important thing that climbing has taught me is the importance of honesty to be honest with oneself and teach others in life. We have to push ourselves harder to reach goals in climbing. Always gives us the opportunity to fall and get up. Get up guy. Edna's eleven cardinals. I feel very blessed to have been a woman and to be mexican and every time that somebody came to me and asked me for advice. Say climb on. Tv your reach your goals be strong. M be very very brave. Think you fernanda for sharing your story. Today from senator. Jason chakai angle kevin mccloud brennan o'connell tracks courtesy the artists free music archive jacob. Bain and these koto composed our theme song. You can find links. The artists at our website dirtbag derry's dot com is episode was produced translated by cordelia czars and edited by becca. Call voiceovers by ashley lane holes illustration by walker call graphics by anya miller special. Thanks to fernandez friends. Ruben danielle marianna and rodriguez for their zeke during the episode and haley stryer for recording. I call our executive producer. I'm fiscal hall. You've been listening to the dirtbag dairies. Thanks for tuning in.

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03-18-21 Healing the land: Tribal ecological restoration

Native America Calling

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03-18-21 Healing the land: Tribal ecological restoration

"Wealth into native america calling from studio eight six nine minutes let pueblo. I'm cherokee would human industry and development change waterways and landscapes often in challenging ways today many tribes are successfully restoring wetlands prairies and wildlife habitat by relying on traditional wisdom about what the ecosystem is meant to do. It's a big undertaking and take a number of years coming up. We'll highlight some tribal projects working to bring back resources. Important to native culture. We go live right after the news. This is national native. Neon tonia gonzales. The eighth circuit court of appeals is hearing oral arguments. Thursday in a dispute between the rosebud sioux tribe in the indian health service the tribes sued the ihs and health and human services in two thousand sixteen after its hospital's emergency department went on divert status. The tribe says patients were advised at the time to seek emergency services. An off reservation about fifty miles away and it suits the tribe held. The united states has a duty through the fort laramie treaty to provide quality healthcare and an obligation through the indian health. Care improvement act to raise the quality of care. Federal judge roberto laying rule. The treaty does require the us to provide competent. Physician led health care but said the tribe overstates the government's obligations under other federal statutes. The agency's denied having any fiduciary duty to provide health care for tribes and appealed three bills to address missing and murdered indigenous. People cleared another step in the montana. Legislature wednesday yellowstone. Public radio's kevin. Trevon reports republican senator. Jason small of busby said the policies build upon landmark efforts from the twenty nineteen legislative session when lawmakers created the missing indigenous persons task force to tackle on forsman jurisdictional issues and strengthen communication between agencies has. The process has gone long throughout this session. We've refined a lot of what's happened in We've improved upon what we already have. Existing hospil ninety eight would extend the missing indigenous persons task force until twenty twenty three. An reauthorize grant used to maintain a missing person's database. Meanwhile house bill thirty five would create a commission to review missing indigenous person cold cases and analyzed potential areas of law enforcement improvement more than three of senate lawmakers gave initial approval to both proposals wednesday along with a third how spill thirty six that would fund a grant program to train community based missing person response teams democratic senator. Susan weber of browning said. The teams will coordinate. Search efforts often conducted in collaboration with non law enforcement personnel. The families that look for the for the missing person so they don't have any of the training. All three bills need to pass a final senate. Vote before heading to republican governor greg. Gianforte who signalled support. During his state of the state speech in january and other bill extending the missing indigenous persons task force already cleared the legislature in an earlier interview. Senator small said he carried the proposal in case the more expansive house bill. Ninety eight got voted down. I'm kevin traveling. Her first day on the job. Wednesday secretary of the interior deb holland held debriefing with a group of reporters members of the native american journalists association or najah ten journalists from both tribal and non tribal outlets including national native news. Join secretary holland on a video conference for a little more than thirty minutes to hear about her goals to lead the federal agency and ask questions najah board member gramley brewer. The nature of her reaching out to tribal media. I and recognizing indigenous reporters are on the ground and no these issues better than any other journalists working in the country. I think that just kind of speaks to one of the main goals of nocco which is to put more indigenous people in those newsrooms because as secretary our new proof today by giving a access before any other reporters is that that kind of diversity in your newsroom adds value to it it gives you greater lived experiences and greater access to indian country secretary holland repeatedly pointed tribal as she begins work telling reporters tribes have a seat at the table native journalists. Hope she'll continue to give access to tribal media. I man tonia gonzalez. National native news is produced by koenig broadcast corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting support by the center for indigenous cancer research at roswell park comprehensive cancer center dedicated to cancer research medicine and cancer care for indigenous population. The no charge online risk assessment tool is available at roswell park dot org slash. Assess me colonic. Broadcast corporation is looking for an enthusiastic and creative person to manage our social media and website content information and application for the digital producer. Job at native news dot net underemployment native won the native american radio network mission. Laghi again a yawkey. Took kids A too this is native america calling. I'm tara gatewood joining you live from my homeland. So she would do. Tribes are building a successful track record for restoring land and waterways damage by development and mismanagement in wisconsin. The united nations successfully restored wetlands in new york. The saint regis mohawk tribe as multiple land restoration programs in and around the saint lawrence river and in california north fork mono tribe and their allies restored about six meadows with future plans for more either. Just a few examples of how tribes are helping to heal the land with traditional ecological knowledge science and environmental justice. Work coming up today will explore more about ecological restoration. And you're welcome to join us. Is your tribe restoring land water or habitat in your area. Call join our conversation and tell us about it. We're at one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. It's also one eight hundred nine nine native and today we are going to start off on aquacise in the nation. Joining us today. On the line is abraham francis and he is the environmental services manager for the mohawk council of saas me. He is mohawk and it is our pleasure to have him. Here abraham welcome and understand you also go by age. So abe welcome to native america calling sehgal I'm really excited to be here and share a bit of What's going on in aquila. And so ablett's hear about what is going on there in terms of land restoration. What are some of the things that nation working on So projects that are kind of coming up right now is. We're doing the shoreline session and knock with us and we're going to be doing Shoreline naturalization project an association with that evaluation Where we're going to really think about the ways that are traditional medicines exist along the shoreline Because we experienced a lot of environmental violent From the way project that went through our territory which in the channel widened and deepened. The channel With also You know ended up bringing in the Multi sanders them and with that damn came Industry and so that industry ended up putting like a bunch of contaminants in the water like mercury and pcb's and so a lot of the work that i've been involved in since i started at mohawk council is in valuating the impacts And so it's really interesting because ghosn is split between the us and canada and so You know we have to negotiate with the canadian government as well as the american government in managing this and addressing The biological use impairments that result of that violence. And so yeah. That's so quite a bit of the work that i do I also get to work on like Eight four station right now. I've been working with some groups and we've been doing this project To create the healing space. We call it and it's a really great place for people to go do ceremony. But it's also built around this idea of reconciliation in canada And honestly brings together a lot of my work because for me The restoration work isn't just about going do. Projects and planting trees and putting things are Sort of restoring the environment thought really about restoring the connection of my people to the land and my hypothesis is that by restoring. That relationship will get better. Health outcomes for our people but also the environment will get healthier and reciprocal manner so That's just a little bit on what we're doing. I mean if you want to hear more details on The other wonderful variety of things are working on them here to answer. I do. I do want to hear those details in that abe the reconnection to the land. Let's talk about that because we know that it's important in many ways in from ugly knee me being able to connect to the land the way We've been taught and thinking about restoration. Only hear more how to connect so a lot of it for me comes back to i think about these things in a very holistic way and in the way that our culture is very interconnected so I'm really thinking about our traditional teachings and the frameworks that we use like the hollywood becua- or what people might know as a thanksgiving address and the guy on a low go the great law and some of these foundational principles that are reflected within our Landscape as well as our cycle of ceremonies which is that constant reminder of our roles and responsibilities to all of creation and also that creation has a role and responsibility to us so in restoring not relationship in that connection with the land. A lot of me comes back to storytelling as well as getting people out on the land gathering medicine fishing and hunting and utilizing those resources which is part of our responsibility as as people. And so what. I've been kind of doing is getting all of the proposals in negotiating the budget that we can actually really do this on the ground where we do it somewhat passively right now As a part of our regular operation. But i'm i'm moving forward to make it more More engaged more more focused behind this kind of work because the reality is is that we were dramatically impacted by residential school which created this this I wanted to be and you gotta jump in here because we got to go to break And hear what you're saying for me. The word that comes to my mind is a big wedge In lots to consider well coming up after the break but again you can join us one. Eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eighty is a number. When it means we are restoring our land What does that bring to our nation's wanna hear from you go ahead. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number to join us for mine to open. 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Day here on native america calling terror gatewood from it sort of pueblo and it is great to be connecting with you here on these airwaves and today we are talking about when restoration on the line out of is knee is a branches. He is the environmental services manager for the mohawk council of agua sesame and he mohawk pushing here in return back to you. Go ahead. your thoughts. I guess it just finish off my thoughts from earlier or just a lot of this is about healing healing from intergenerational trauma that our communities experienced and a lot of that healing and connection comes from the land and so by healing the land where healing ourselves and in that reciprocal relationship so tell me more about some of the other things that are going forward in bringing this restoration or i guess kind of bringing this connection back to the land. Go ahead So a better. This connection is just about developing curriculum dot follow their cycles of ceremonies. We've done we've. We've approached the project in the past but it's never gotten completed and now that's what i'm trying to do a lot of my work and a big part of what i'm trying to do is long term monitoring of the ecosystem to keep an a a keep an idea of how healthy it is But all of this in like the monitoring the engagement beyond the groundwork is very much based on our bio cultural connection and context I think one of the most successful projects that we did with One of the depar- another department in our organization during kobe was we distributed raised garden bed garden and garden and and within the based on our sort of like the way that we were plant following the stars but also the way like the where it was like corn beans and squash and and the reason i suggested raised garden beds is because of the contamination that we've experienced in this area and i can't like i can't recommend for people to go plant in their backyards. If i don't know what the sort of what it. What the if it's if it's healthy enough for them to go plant there so that's kind of one of the projects i mean you know. We're looking forward to doing stuff in our wetlands like a wild rice restoration Naturalization projects A lot of these things are continuing to grow as we move forward and as a community presents their concerns and their well. I think we have a lot to learn from the people who are working In this this this field. And i think just hearing your story about you know what this means a also under me what it means for the future a lot of time. These projects have really made an impact In have brought us back to okay. Let's go back to square one. What do we really need to be doing with the land If this is something you can connect to as well in one share some thoughts. Go ahead and dial in now. Our minds are on our phone. Lines are open. Go ahead and give us a ring. One eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is the number. And abe for you when you think of the work that you're doing How does this align with what you know. Our ancestors hoped in promised land. Well i think i everything i do. I think in roles and responsibilities. And i think about the obligation that i have to the kinship network that i'm a part of and so that kinship network isn't just the people that kinship networks is the trees around us the medicines. The bird it's all of creation or part of this network and we have very specific relationships with them. The moon is grandmother The sun is our elder brother. You know in our trees are elders mentors. And so i think about this in a lot of ways that when i think about that relationship from a family perspective i carrying for my family members and so when i if a tree is gonna get removed. I'm gonna think twice about it because that's my family. That's a relationship. That's a connection right there. And when i think about that. And i think about my ancestors i think about how they were connected to these landscapes and these very deep and meaningful ways and that they were able to see the changes that were happening tap into those cycles. And i feel like we. We kind of lost that connection. And that's where i'm in that process of trying to reclaim more of that. Because i look forward to a future where my kids are able to go and gather their medicines like my grandmother did that she would go in grad there on a null which is important medicine to us and give me and i go on a and i want my kids to be able to go on all and their kids and so on and so on that. This is about this cycle in this continual process that carries on into the future. And that i'm going to be an ancestor at some point. And i wanna be somebody that my The future generations can be proud of as well and within that you know there's conversations about climate change and dissipating that thoughts on that but you know that's just a little bit of how i see. Our relationship is looking into the past and thinking about the future and being careful how we walk on this mind because we're just borrowing it from future generation and some of those traditional teachings that i've been gifted from my elders and clan mothers and chiefs and variety of people will thank you for sharing them with us today here and you know as we think about this in we think about what this means in terms of expressing sovereignty too. I think that opens up a lot. If there's anything you want to share go ahead and give us a ring. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is the number also here to one. Oneida wisconsin is Another voice we're going to go to the chairman of the united nations wisconsin with us. Today is chairman day hospice and he is with us today. A chairman hill. Welcome to native america calling. That's really quaker. The hatay gets basically wonky. You get when you're doggone. Eat gay greetings to everyone and thank you for waiting me on this call today. I just In my own. I language and just introduced myself to have hill bear clan and. I'm oneida and This place right reside is a place we call the place of football and so Again thank you for the invite to participate in today's call in sioux what is going on with united nation when it comes to restoring ecological restoration. Tell me more well we've been doing a lot of work over the last Says we're resources become available to Reacquire our reservation here and a lot of this land was Agricultural land dairyland so a of deforested and the streams and creeks Where the straightened and That caused a lot of economic ecological damage that we continue to work to revive our natural environment in. Tell me about that work. What are some of the things that have been the result of that work. Yeah we've done quite a bit expensive work with our wetlands in our in our on our reservation here One of the larger projects. I guess is the swamp sonoko south branch headwaters. Actually on your reservation and again was Had it's it's Being straightened and deepened and The the wetland area was drained and converted to cropland And so that contributed to the aggregation of the water quality and the environment for the fish and natural wildlife and their young so As as we acquire different properties around the reservation and if they're deemed suitable or Restoration projects We haven't relying quite heavily on the great lakes restoration initiative to fund many of our restoration projects dealing with the water being obviously next to lake michigan with a great lakes. And so able to convert. I guess much of this This this land that's wasn't necessarily that suitable in the first place for agriculture Real cropping and things like that. Just because of the soil types and the runoff problems that That happened with the the streams in the watershed and then eventually getting out to the bay of green bay and causing a large algae blooms and That's on is commonly referred to in the bay of green bay the lack of oxygen because of the many nutrients in that in in our watershed. And so we've done a lot of work to restore those areas Exciting for me. I look at it like the wetlands are like the the kidneys of mother earth. You know filtering That lifeblood that water So that it can sustain life as it moves through the ecosystem and so any way we can to you know Restore those watersheds. I think is a long way to as Was stated previously that you know as we improve our environments are health improves as well and very much. The same we. We've been doing a lotta work as as well to get people reintroduced to the environment and nature. and whether that's you know growing gardens or Fishing you know trying to our hunting and gathering to make sure that these things are accessible and safe and other projects like a lake project was in the works for quite some time and being able to have access to healthy fish that could be consumable as as stated with were involved very much the same boat with a pcb contamination in fox river Which is Runs kind of along our reservation and so making the fish not edible and so we have other ways to Maintain our our lifestyles in our in our natural diet in. Can you talk about the relationship with water because You know there are some things that people know but when it comes to your indigenous nations or connections to the water why we go to the water is beyond just put water in our bodies. Can you explain some act or whatever you can publicly share go ahead. Yes definitely if you don't want him on our had here on their own reservation and had you know many elders I i like listen more than talk. So that's one of my personal traits but you know hearing stories and also The uses and the importance of water Too many communities As we look at it as water is is a medicine and so obviously it's sustains our life We can't live without water. But then also it's it's it's it's cleansing as well and so you know. We look to the natural environment twin when it rains We say washes watch. Some of the are the tracks away. So that's you know Our path forward is more visible and and and of that too obviously is. Is you know the the basic necessities of Cleanliness as we're going through a pandemic obvious um flow that need for access to to clean. Fresh water is very important to know native communities across indian country and and so we really Strive to make sure that you know we. We are honoring that responsibility. You know to nature and to one another of being able to have that philosophy of you know looking forward to our our our grandchildren. Great grandchildren you know. Are we improving this place where we live because it wasn't such a sad state So that things are easier for the future generations And if there are things you'd like to add go ahead and ring one eight hundred nine six eight. Four eight is a number and when we talk about restoration of our lands or waters you know what does it mean for future generations. Just as chairman said. Go ahead give us a ring. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is a number and Chairman hill please describe a little bit more of just how much of the area that you're working on is how big are the wetlands in income in comparison To your tribes land base Tell me a little bit about that and in exactly what. Do your wetlands look like. Sure definitely So the the basic Boundaries of our reservation is about sixty five thousand four hundred acres proximity and Over the last few decades we were able to reacquire approximately Twenty two twenty three thousand acres of that Of our land based Back to tribal ownership and Some of the larger projects like the south branch. I'm cobra headwaters restoration project. That was I believe that's close to somewhere around two hundred and fifty three hundred acre project and it's kind of unique Spot on our reservation attracts large amounts of waterfall when migrating north south but the changing and the water quality has been dramatically changed. I just letting nature take. Its course that we're able to you know find and then also help reintroduce wild rice to that that had water as well and so we worked with our high school students To kind of get the wild rice ry reintroduced into this landscaper once bountiful. And so you know the very very large projects like this Are are like an island. I for for wildlife and especially migratory waterbirds so we have very large flocks. So you know. Canadian geese On a regular basis then and many ducks and things like that and Sometimes you can go out there in the spring and fall when their migration is the heaviest. And you could barely see the water. It's with waterfall. In you know just hearing about your nation as well as the mohawk nation in some of the work that they're doing How does that compare to what is actually going on in your own tribal community and so when we say land restoration we are talking about bringing You know of course what you see on the ground As well as our waterways in when we do take the efforts You know what changes in especially people who understand our connection to the land and how vital it is to understanding who we are is needed people in your thoughts on that too and then specifically about the work when it comes to wanting to do things like this kind of regulations are in place Kind of hurdles. Are you running into doing this kind of work in your own tribal community and what drove you to this type of work. Is it something that you were raised with. Teaching elders brought to you. Maybe you even see the science side of things of when we do bring balance. You know what happens. to our ecosystem in what about doing some of this to make sure that the animals in water beans Both have a safe environment to be in. We care about them. We know we're so they're woven into our culture What about the benefits to them as well when we do some of these restoration projects love to hear from you. Go head dial in one. Eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number and if you have any questions for the folks that we have on the phone go ahead. Dial in one eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is a number. We definitely look forward to hearing from you today. We'll keep the phone lines open. We're gonna pause for a moment but again we're ready for your calls One eight hundred nine six two eight. Four eight is a number. Go ahead and join us. And if you're finding us in a podcasts. Leave your comments directly on our website. Native america calling dot com. Did you know covid financial relief. 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Hosny gentlemen thank you both for being here with us and i got a caller on the line. Let's go ahead and say hi to hank who joins us. Today on tells new mexico tuned in on things are giving us ring hank. You're on here a thank you. I just wanna say some of these projects sound amazing to reclaim mother earth in clearwater shits and our waterways and i know it seems a little bit overwhelming so like most people in the world open all just a tiny piece by just one grocery bag or one trash bag. He's looking trash for ten minutes. And all that those pieces contribute to that bigger piece because some of those i think for me seem overwhelming so i just wanna say that. That's what i do and tash is a great way to break. I want to say. I say here's what i learned so much from the program. We appreciate you tuning in hank. Wish you the best and again join us. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number. We're going to say hi now. To another caller. Bruce is joining us today. How to yakima washington tuned in on ky. In our bruce. Thank you for giving us a ring beer on air. Thank you for this moment I have two questions. One is regarding the Legal process where a Property outside of an existing reservation boundary can be brought into tribal trust. And and i'll give an example. The akron nation originally was much larger central washington south central michigan. So let's let's just take an example and maybe some property up in the nazis watershed maybe a thousand acres or something You know which was very nation original. Can that property be brought back into tribal trust You know. I don't know how that works okay. i'm gonna tell us that To our guests Chairman he'll any thoughts for our caller. Bruce yeah i think there's a lot of i guess. Federal regulations in place the release taking land into trust and the purpose for that kicking that land into trust. And i know there's i think a couple of different processes that are followed in. I can't remember the particulars about the definitions of near reservation acquisition. Trust land What the distance might be So i can't answer very specifically. But i think another another way that i think we here at night. I continue to work with our larger community partners. Other humza pahlavi's in the area and on and off the reservation. It's creating those Stronger relationships so that we can work together. Hopefully in the future on these larger projects off the reservation 'cause the major waterway that comes through all reservation as duck creek and those headwaters are probably Ten to fifteen miles away from us. And we don't have. I guess per se the jurisdiction of putting our best management practices on those headwaters creating those relationships in those communities and being able to demonstrate as management practices and things like that to Influence you know other areas to adopt those to make sure that the water Waterways are are taken care of then that we're continuing to our responsibility to that water as it continues to build over us. Thank you for that german. And thank you for your call. As well bruce again phone lines are open. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight also here with us today from clovis california ron good. He is the tribal chairman for the north folk north fork. mona tribe. Our pleasure to have him here chairman Good thank you for joining us. How's everybody doing today when are For allowing me to come on Quite an honor to listen to you. Know the night folks in the mohawk I'm connected worldwide. And i try to work with indigenous people all over We work a lot with the who of western australia the maori of new zealand. And i've been on line with the first nation up in canada and hawaiian folks. Soon as i'm all for this call. I'm going out to on zoom with seminoles and you know part of what My interest is to hear what you know are indigenous people are doing worldwide and like Like let's say earlier on one of the calls that one the call ins you know that we got all work in our backyards is basically all that we have jurisdiction over anymore. That's kind of what you know. We spoke about when i was listening. Yeah originally folks had a very similar situation is us off the land for a while and you know then fire your story everything so with that said you know this era opportunities as a try with all my neighbors tribes you walk in and people and everything. Sanding people could kirks down. We did a lot of fire on the lam Most of us are doing love. Cultural burning and burning on our private lands are Reservation it lands and Kinda stay federal land is one of the things that as you mentioned earlier that we do metal restoration and one of the things that we did six restored and six medals during the drought and we got nine more. It's on our platter right now but back in two thousand eighteen we signed an agreement with the sear national forest masters one of one of the only kind right now to give us full authority to cultural burning on the forest that will be conducted. And we'll also be doing our own training and would also be doing our own certification Part of that is. We've been working with divorced for many years. And when they train their people. You know certify them and then they then they send them out to us work and then we have three trying to teach them a little bit about. You know what we're doing. Not only that. I was how to use the tools properly agencies all different concept of what they're doing when they're out there are cultural burning that we're doing We burning four different counties but are we just held our biggest one in february in mariposa and had a. We're people come to volunteer. We use about a dozen different tribes and pretty close to a dozen different agencies from you know he'll far. Us four services and governor's office and a number of other Conservation groups that come out as well as community people and colleges. We use a lot of college work. in colleges helped to fund our projects so leaf end of cultural burning. Rose about eight to ten thousand dollars so you know we have to have this. This extra funding funding is pretty hard. I to sign. We apply for grants and occasionally we get some snow and working the larger money through the state right now and cal. Fire is working with the governor who tried to bring about ten million cards throughout california. We hoped that accomplish this this coming year they're already is going to be some money About a million that's going gonna be available as far. I mean this this early summer. That's going to be a good thing for for all of us and there are quite a few tribes in california that are doing Learning and restoration work and and as you know the other who wonderful folks of just pointed out about you know the restoration. They're going in and out great lakes and you know not your rivers and watersheds S inquiry understand. You know where the where the native people lived to. Then you know that that they were connected to water. They needed to be nearby water. Rather springs or creeks or rivers or plates on all these different aspects to be able to Thrive out there on the land. And so you know -fornia of this year we had probably the most devastating fires four percent of california burned and but pre eighteen fifty two percent of california with always on fire in the indian. Put a a big part of that and we constantly burned and we've been here for thousands of years and so you know the footprint that we've left as you know sometimes not even siebel because we had the land opened and we were able to burn without scarring and without damage to our resources and even our cultural burning right now. The whole aspect of the difference between cultural described choir is we want to rejuvenate heartland. We want to bring resources back. Where taking care of the dead and dying Resources and restoring to life and when they come back to life they're able to hold water they're able to retain water through their root system. And what you've burned you open the land and that will stay open for you know sixty years before you even begin to thickness back fifteen years before you know you better put fire on the ground. Typically when we were lied to burn back in eighteen hundreds we put as much as three fires into an area in every ten years. And you didn't have to burn again but maybe once in the next twenty years Unfortunately today we are not able to you know. Get that practice like we. We would like to be able to do. But just the fact that we're able to put fire back on the on the land and brings the water back Raise the water table backup which in turn allows all of our our resources and species become back so you know. Use this. Know crazy cliche. That says if you build it they'll come and if you restore meadow and you open that up the water comes back your flowers your plant your cultural resources The animals they all start coming back and pretty soon. You know you're meadow is a company functional from not just because it has water and because it's operating the way it's supposed to but because we have everybody back living there and so we monitor our species from plants and and the insects and animals and everybody that's out there to where we go from south probably when we're first around the land like twenty twenty species that we might count but when we were done after three or four years than we're looking at how to fifty sixty different species you know that that might include lady bugs that are there like you know hundreds of thousands of them so you know this is the kind of thing that is important when you're restoring and in in the land As a as a tribe we are and have original tribe. We're not steadily recognized but we have a ranch. iria that is federally recognized. They belong us. We don't belong to them because we run. Our homeland is about one point. Four million acres and so we worked with several federal agencies state agencies counties and interviews that whatever practices. they're doing practices. we're doing are able be done adequately in wincing start to return. I know that's a big thing in terminal. You gotta get going here. Is there anything else or do you need to go. I'm not looking at you know i don't know. I'm excited to listen to the other folks talk and it just means a lot to me when i hear you know what other people are doing. And you know we still have a long way to go in terms of colonial policies that we Fight with You especially here in california You know technically as a boss or as a tribe you know. I carry a two million dollar like -bility If i don't then i'm the one that's going be home. Viable if a fire gets away from california establish some earlier laws that says if they if we want cal fire to come in and burn for us and you know for us. It's like no. I'm trying to train and You know then they gotta do really. Abc three three to thirty two talking about house. They're going to get liability for burn buses. You know so that. They are covered because the governor wanted ranchers and and try and counties who all start doing more burning. And so that's a good thing But there again. What i'm saying to you is that you know as a tribe if we want to burn. We're we're burning illegally Unless we are fully covered. And we do. But it's also your technique and you know tribes the knowledge that they bring to this and we've done some coverage on this but always continue to learn about win. These practices are put back in place. What it brings lots to consider. We got to wrap things up. Thanks to everybody. We heard from an hour. Join us again tomorrow. For role playing games. I'm tara would support by amer. In indian countries one hundred percent tribally owned insurance partner. 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Hurting for Money #452

Thank God I'm Atheist

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Hurting for Money #452

"Every buddy. Hi, guys well from Beautiful Salt Lake City Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist the podcast I'd Frank Feldman and I'm Dan Beecher and coming up on the show today. Dan. Giving out money. Just. Thrown around. Making it rain. I WISH I mean they're doing that for some. I don't know my my my. GIG economy unemployment insurance is is winding down and I don't think I'm going to get any more. So Oh, I'm not excited. About that. But no, I know the the yet the government has found a very worthy repository. For a bunch of our money, our tax money, and let me tell you dear listener. You Ain't GonNa like it. Yeah. Yeah. Not Not a good look. We'll be getting to that. But in the meantime, Dan? Yeah. There's some new psychological research Dan. Okay, that seeks to. Link, atheism. To something and I wanna I wanna I I'm curious. To hear your response. because. Is. It is it. Is it linking. Atheism STD's because that just because we're all sluts. No. In fact to. Emotional suppression. Oh Oh. Oh. Yeah. I duNNo. I feel about that. This is what I'm saying. They did. They did this research on a group of one thousand, fifty, nine undergraduate psychology students. Surveyed them right and they about their religious beliefs and had them complete an assessment of their emotion regulation tendencies, right? Okay. and so about half the participants. Were Christian thirty percent agnostic or non religious fifteen percent identified as atheist and. The remainder was A mix of Muslims Hindus Buddhists Jewish. And then apparently a smattering of others. But Yeah. So what they found is that the self identified atheists. were. More likely to report engaging in emotional suppression meaning. They were more likely to agree with statements like when I am feeling positive emotions I am careful not to express them. K which which is interesting They also took eight atheists an eight religiously affiliated undergraduates They were recorded. As they described a recent experience that made them feel frustrated or annoyed. And a recent experience that made them feel happy or joyful and. A hundred undergraduates watch those videos, right? Okay and they they watched it with audio turned off. And they they re they raided the speakers emotional expressive, nece, their trustworthiness, and they're like ability. Okay and they just based on on seeing them not here. Just watching them talk and tell the story that was an emotional story. Right. Interesting And they had absolutely no idea about which speaker was atheist or Catholic or whatever. And they found that the the atheist were seen as less emotionally expressive on average when compared to the religiously affiliated individuals. Interest. And so they say, let's see this is the researcher. Speaking says compared to non, atheist. which includes acknowledged sticks and the nonreligious as well as believers atheists are not more likely to manage their emotions by thinking differently about situation that was one of the I'm sorry there was this other thing where they. Tried to assess. After, you've had an emotional experience like. Do you try to reassess the emotional the emotions that you felt and the how strong those emotions were right. And so you're saying that the atheists are not more likely to manage their emotions by thinking differently about situations atheists are more likely to resist expressing their emotions however and people. Noticed this even if they don't know someone is an atheist. Interesting, well, I, think these people have never seen an atheist get pissed off about religion because. They get fired up then I'll tell you that right now. Yeah. He says that a poker face can be useful in poker in everyday situations. However, people who were hard to read can be seen as untrustworthy because they're basically unpredictable. This is a problem in the atheists as a group are already targets of prejudice because they're judged to be an trustworthy. So kind it's confirming what people already been told. Yeah Oh that's problematic. Yeah. You know here's the thing I. Mean I just just as speculation I can see how there's a possibility that atheists. Just like all marginalized groups but even more than most marginalized groups because. You can fly under the radar of you can. Always pass as a non atheist if you want to. Sure. So but just like all members of marginalized groups like. It is to be like a little circumspect about what they're. What they're going reveal about themselves. Yeah. In a lot of in a lot of respects but this is this is actually disheartening news to me well, and the article about this ends with this researcher sort of explaining some caveats that okay he sees. And he says. The research wasn't based on a random sample of the world. Right and the doctor and the documented group. Differences don't necessarily capture the experience of any single individual, right? And then he says a more subs-. A substantive issue is that people in the big sample were surveyed at a single point in time mostly in emerging adulthood. and neither worldviews nor motion regulation strategies can be expected to remain stable over time. Right, and so there's kind of the sense also that younger atheists college age atheists right that maybe as they've sort of they're still sort of testing the waters so to speak. How people are going to perceive them and maybe they haven't completely found circle where they can open up and be more expressive and maybe they've actually faced some bad. You know some. People having bad reactions to their atheism, and so the maybe they've they've. Become a little guarded I. Again, I, I don't know I'm not a psychologist but. It does seem to me that like. There are limits to this but what you can definitely take as a as a potential conclusion here is that this age group might have some. Some some some some issues and your feelings everybody come on. Why like the article tries to like talk about like well, maybe there's a reason why some people are drawn to atheism right? Because they're already like emotionally suppressed and it's like I. Don't think that. Hey, let's not it think it's because people are probably being guarded. It's because people know they're six. Because of their of how they see the world, right? Yeah. Yeah and it's a world view that is not without danger people in this world who will treat you badly So you got you. So in all things, you kind of learn to be careful the some people do I never did, but you learn to be careful about how much you reveal yourself to certain people, right? Yeah. and. So it's kind of A. I hope they look further into this. And find maybe. Some different conclusions to make. Yeah I don't know. that. What's disappointing to me is not I'm not disappointed in atheists but I'm disappointed in the fact that like. I. Just I. I want. These all of us to feel comfortable. Sharing our emotions being emotional human beings. Yeah. You know and and. Right. Now. You have a hard time. Expressing. Most basic thing about yourself because you know how people are going to perceive it. Right yeah. Especially, if you've tried and piano shot you down and made, you feel like should about yourself just so tricky so hard but I think as an adult like emotional expression I have some. Things that I'm guarded on and whatnot, but I basically a robot. But, but I I don't think that I have a particular problem expressing strong emotion, right? Right. But. I think that maybe if you'd asked me when I was younger. That probably would have definitely been true or more true or whatever interesting right I don't know if he. Has a young actor was probably very different because you were going through a program that was. Forcing you to face strong emotion I'm pretty sure everybody around me wished that I would express less emotion. I'm pretty. I know I. Know you. All right fine. Well, there you go. I'm going to I'm going to move onto some other emotions now. That that actually does boggle my mind a little bit. And you know because atheists have this reputation for either being complete assholes or like robotic. Abed on on community or What what's his name on on the Big Bang Theory or whatever we have this? Yeah. These reputation. But okay. So maybe it's maybe it's founded in something I. Don't know. Yeah. My friends aren't like that my awesome atheist friends aren't like that anyway. Uh. I'm going to talk about this made a lot of headlines a lot news Recently, I, did you you probably heard about it. there was a bit of a congressional dust up. In these United States a between representative Alexandria Akhazia Cortez. And a guy named representative Yoho Yo. What's Yoho? He's from Florida and I can't remember his first name Steve Something Ted Ted. Yoho. and. You know they had a little bit of a heated exchange on the Capitol steps. And then. She came back out and he sh- in front of. In front of the press. Called her a fucking bitch whole. This must have been big on social media than. Did. Last week I think. Wow. So not not a great look. and Ted Yoho. He, he went to the to the floor of Congress and made a non apology. which in which he declared that he would never do that sort of thing because he has a wife and daughters. And be he didn't say it and see he's really really sorry if anybody thought he said it and it hurt them but he didn't say it. Is there on there is there tape? Not that I know of but but enough witnesses that it's like we know what Hap-, right? Okay. was in front of pre members of the press and they reported it. Then AOC herself got up a little in a day or two later and got on the congress congressional floor and said. No I'm not going to be spoken to like that and I'm certainly not going to stand around and watch while the entire. While this body just accept that non apology as being. Okay and she's she had a great speech anyway. That, none of that is really pertinent to what happens on our show. What is pertinent pertinent to our show is that. Representative Yoho Sat on the Board of a a group called bread of the world, which is a Christian. Charity. Okay that works to provide to to sort of help with. With FAM- with with hunger people people suffering from from not enough food. And they have now asked him and he has given his record for his resignation. Nice. So boom consequential and actual cut. Christian group behaving like Christians saving a little bit like Christians it's. It's one of those rare sightings. It's almost it's like seeing an owl in its natural habitat almost never see it like. No actually, I wanna back off of something. Okay I. think that we need to get away from this idea of like Christians Oh, Christians actually behaving like Christians like Christians have this like Oh. Yeah. They're good people right Given. Christians good people right. Hopefully, I think it should be oh Christians behaving like decent human beings, right? Yeah exactly. Okay. So allow me to rephrase. Ted. Yoho was acting like a Christian. And then this Christian organization. Shockingly decided to just be decent humans. Instead of Christians. That And they they kicked his ass out. That's fantastic. Good for them. Good. For being good people for the way I I loved the way Yoho. concluded his little non apology. After he had said I didn't say the thing but if I did I'm sorry but I didn't sort of thing. Yeah, he said. I cannot apologize for my passion on. For my passion or for loving my God, my family and my country God. y'All? Because that because a good, a good Straw man works so great. No one's ever asked anybody to apologize for any of those things. Christians love to Trot, Shit like that out I won't apologize for loving Jesus. Okay. Well, we asked you to apologize for being an asshole. Is like Yoho like how's that spelled lying Y H o? It's. Only hug one once. That's pretty good. Yeah. All right. All Right Dan? Well, the Alaska Supreme Court. Oh. Yeah. This could be really bad. No, they've actually. Affirmed a lower court decision. That That removed an elderly woman from the care of her daughter. Because the daughter had declined to treat the woman's Epilepsy saying that she would only use prayer. Even the vent of a medical emergency and Apparently, this is very well documented that she would just. Pre the mother would have a seizure and this woman would. Just start praying you know great and so the daughter is only identified as Rachel. And the mother is identified as Tiffany. Oh. And A The, daughter Rachel had been. Claiming that This was a religious right because she had gone through some sort of like certification for some ministry or something or other Oh my God. So she was like a yes, she was she had graduated from a ministry school don't worry I'm fully trained in not taking care of this person. So she was she was able to guess re quote rely entirely on prayer in lieu of hospital care. AM. One hundred percent qualified to not give the medical attention that this person needs. Exactly have the cert. Yeah, she's. With terrible deal. I feel bad for laughing. But. Yes. So let's see. I actually, I pulled up this afternoon, the actual like they're. They're they're finding their document, the ruling and let's see there was some really choice things that didn't make it into the article that I read Let's see Rachel. Reported that when Tiffany had seizures she prayed for okay. said that she stated that it was up to Tiffany to self administer her own medications. My God she wrote that Psych. meds aren't God. Nor ours he might. She's not wrong about that nor are they life preserving nor the healing. What's and. So she has clearly never dealt with I. mean she knows about a epilepsy she knows about a full tonic chronic seizure and what it can do to a person. Fuck you right. and. So the court concluded that if tiffany required immediate medical attention, the results could be fatal for this reason while religious liberty is a fundamental right under the Alaska Constitution, the states actions in this case are justified by a compelling interest. Yeah. So Good, good you. Somebody's life is more important than their caregivers religious. Know believe. Because the because Tiffany, this. was unable to not only was she unable to care for herself? She, also had some some other issues going on where she she wasn't deemed. Able to she needed a guardian competent. She had been in state care but the daughter had pulled her out of state care. which why the state knew about the whole situation, right right and so they she was under her care for a while and that's obviously the state. Gun. They're like, don't worry. We'll take care of you. Yeah. So. A good a good decision. Thank you Alaska. That's horrifying. Saving a woman's life. My God. Well I am going to tell US A. Some good news about about a scholarship that is now that has become available. Oh. this. This is a it's a five hundred dollars scholarship. That that. Basically any. Twenty Twenty High School graduate can apply for okay. And it's. Sponsored by the Satanic Temple Nice. Okay. Go ahead and and it's called the devil's advocate scholarship oh boy I. Love It. Put It on your CV I I'm very happy about the whole thing. And to apply for applicants must answer. One of few questions. So, for instance, what initiatives have you undertaken? That are consistent with Tst's tenants and Mission K, which I think is. Great, if you if you haven't read the Satanic Temple tenants. They're actually much better in terms of in terms of morale, morale, moral guidance, or whatever. Then the ten commandments they definitely beat them out also not hard to. Write. Low Bar. But not if you ask not if you ask a Christian Or. You know applicants can can. Yeah there's a whole. There's a whole bunch of different things It's still open until. nope. Applications. Oh. Yes it's. It's. It's open until August thirty first. So so people hearing this now if you've got. If, you are a twenty twenty graduate or have a kid who is. they may apply. One of the way hit another thing you could you could do is answer the following question. Please, discuss and describe in detail. Any one of the teachers who crushed your spirit undermined your self confidence and made you hate every minute you're forced to be in school. Apparently, the the scholarship does not have to be used out of college it can be used for any education pursuit. Nine. Yeah, I think people should go to the The the the website. It's just the Satanic Temple Dot. com. Slash pages slash scholarship nice and they can they can apply for that. They should indeed. I think it's cute. Dan. Yeah I. I WANNA play a guessing game with you. Okay I'M GONNA. Say A. Sequence of sounds. And I want you to try to figure out what it is. Okay. person. Woman Man. K. Camera. TV. Saturate OC. Supposed, to know what that is. What what do you think Saturate OC is. I think it means. Somebody poor. A lot of paint all over Orange County California not bad. It is a revival group. You got the location is Orange County okay. So southern southern California everybody wealthy Beechy, Southern, California, right? Yeah. Between La and San San Diego exactly known as known to be quite conservative, right? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway it's a revival religious revival group. And they have been holding. revivals. In Huntington Beach. On the. And the good folk at the City Hall they're not so happy. About this because of course, this is a time of cove. Ed. Communicable. Disease. Right, there is a pestilent upon the lands and these people are ignoring it right puhl sale anyway as you know, California has limitations on gatherings. Held outside Canada hundred. And then even then like it's supposed to be socially different or distanced every supposed to be wearing masks. Well three to four hundred people they estimate showed up. On the beach most I watched some video. Not Not a Lotta masks in view. And They performed baptisms they saying. Let's see the organizer of it. She got up in front of everybody she did all speech thing. And she says you can't cancel Jesus. Right. Reference to the fact that the city was trying to cancel the cement. Right right. So apparently, even on the streets leading to where the event was going to be taking place, they had those big lake programmable road signs. You know they'll sailing merge left or. Road closed on Wednesday right those kind of signs. Sure it's. Informing. People that the event had been canceled. which I think is great. Right amazing. But are you a Utah Town how did threaten to turn the sprinklers on it? To An event for one thing from a couple of months ago. Anyway. Yeah, the plea she organizer Jesse Green. She told people at the event that police had shown up at her door with a citation and they were told not to hold such an event. But they do not plan on stopping anytime soon because. They're good Christians. Yeah Good Christians don't believe. Sci Fi Christian. That's equal. Bad People. Yeah, let's see. They have they have indicated that they this is like the fourth such event that they've had in Huntington beach. And they've indicated that they will be finding a different beach. In the future. Good can it be in a different country? Can that beach be somewhere else please do it online come on guys oh my God it's so stupid. You can't cancel Jesus tell that to the Romans first of all like. Nobody's trying to cancel Jesus just saying, please don't get together in the way that you normally do wait until we get this thing sorted out and then. Resume. As you as as you not about Jesus, not about you're. Not, at all, not even close this is not about you quit making it well you but that's what these people do. Everything's about them. Right. Sure. Well. I'll tell you I'll tell you another story about the same thing and this one I'm only telling and I'm GONNA say this right up front. Because I experience the phenomenon of Shod in Florida and I really enjoy this. So. Listeners may renew remember the name Jason Rapert who is an Arkansas State senator that we've talked about because he? And he's because he's the guy that erected the The Ten Commandments Monument outside of this, the Arkansas state capital. Just. So proud of himself he he's if anyone's seen the Satanic Temple. Documentary Hail Satan, he's the main antagonist of that. and. He's a giant douche bag. As. Evidenced by the fact. That he decided to show up he he made a quick celebrity appearance. At a at a big. Church meeting. This is a meeting now now mind you I should say this report. Has Been Anti Mask. This whole time when. When the governor of Arkansas finally mandated them. raper was the was quick to say he opposed it on principle. He has described he talked about the pandemic as some sort of hoax. So, so you know he's one of those. Well he He went and and You know appeared at this Christian This. Big Christian gathering this get together. As a as a as a guest speaker. And here's the problem. Nobody was wearing masks a large gathering of people indoors. Shoulder to shoulder. At this Worship Service And nobody wore masks. Well, get God you. You'll never guess what happened. It's shocking. No one could have predicted it. Senator. Jason Robert is in the hospital having been diagnosed with Kovic. Oh, that's what it was. Yeah I. Yeah. You you've never seen it coming. You'd think that the the blood of Jesus would have protected him or something but no unfortunately, not now he's singing a different tune. Quote. through. Integration something. Right. Yeah, exactly. this has been a this is a difficult time for my family, but we know that God is with us always really where was he when the virus was going into your body? there. You can't sky, right? Right? Yeah. He's watching their probab- probably laughing to. we're we're sincerely grateful for the many prayers of love and support that have been expressed on our behalf. We've been doing our best to where where masks social distance and be careful like everyone else. You haven't. This virus is serious and can attack anyone regardless of age or general health. We'll. Now you say that that's nice that now you've been convinced now that you're spending time breathlessly trying to fight for life on a ventilator. Yeah. I think maybe it's serious now. Yeah it's amazing. Right. This is the the big problem. is their lack of. Empathy that their lack I mean, they do lack empathy. What is there because they don't trust others. And you know. Official. People. People who know experts, right? Yeah. Well, the problem is that like the people who are supposed to be leading. Our president. Let's say state senators, for example, are making this instead of making this about the fact that there is a variant awful pestilence upon the land, they're making it about some sort of weird political posture. And so. They've they've put the entire Republican Party. In a in the very odd position of having to. Try, try, and. Walk that that Balancing thing. Tight rope. But brain's not working. With Long Allison thing. They have to walk the tightrope between. Their this bizarre political position that they've taken and the fact that people are dying and it's their voters that are in the worst shape. So. I right. It's bizarre. It's absolutely. It is not like if you'd asked me. You know Seven eight months ago right What do you think would happen when when a pandemic comes along? I'd be like Jesus Christ everybody is going to like whole up in their home and like you would do everything i. would have thought that actually like the people who are politically aligned with people who like prep irs right far more likely to be over there crazy peppers they see some red coming and you would think that they would already have a stockpile of masks and be ready to put them on. hold up with their guns and their in their things. blithely marching around. Like nothing has going on and it's like you have literally been doing nothing with your life except getting ready for this moment. And now you're just ignoring it. And there's the other side of that coin, which is that if you had told me that same nine months ago. That a pandemic was gonna come right before the you know the year of of a presidential election with an incumbent who wants a second term. I would have been like well, fuck we're going to have another another trump presidency. Yeah. Because it's just all it is is an opportunity. To win. To be awesome and if and if you choose to be awesome about it and you lead the country through it. Effectively and safely. You guaranteed win that second term all he had to do he decided instead to a head stand and starting peeing I don't know what he's doing. All he had to do was be the Germaphobe that he is. Right. It can. Lead everybody down Germaphobe road. You know like the one time that would actually be usable in handy he decides to abandon it. It's it's the weirdest of all possible timelines that we've pop into I. Don't know how we did. All of those same preppy you're saying aren't hiding from the virus are also not coming to the defense of Americans when tyrannous government decides. Like what the fuck. None of it makes sense and that's where we are if any of you would like to write into us about the fact that nothing makes sense anymore please feel free to do so. our email address make some sense. It's just podcast at thank God I'm atheist dot com or you can call and leaves a voicemail message telephone number's four, two, four, six, six, eight, four, four, two. Yes, go to the facebook page facebook dot com slash TGI just click the like button we don't do instagram so it's all you've got. What we do. Twitter. Twitter. And all you could also while you're on the facebook. Search for the TGI members only lounge request to join. It's close group but we'll let you know much. Yeah we're pretty nice about. Stick around guys. Hey Dan. Yes We've got a confused. Christian. On. Our on our hands here, we'd like to play audio from US names Carin has that ever happened staves Carl gallops. And he's one of these people who he doesn't really get what black lives matter. is about and well, and he's pretty sure. He feels like it's an attack somehow right that the people working towards. Protecting the rights of one group. that it must be an attack on his group. Shocking shocking shocking. But let's let him make the case. I think he makes it very convincing because he gets it. He really gets it. So let's let's hear how him how him. That's a good price, and of course, let me just set I've gotta do this disclaimer politically correct. Of course, black lives, matter of course. George, Floyd's lives matter. Of course, the legal system needs to deal with the injustices done and it will, of course, that's a no brainer for people that love the Lord. And people that Love Truth and law and order and people that love people. Somebody asked me the other day said, well, you must be colorblind I said no color blindness only as black and white I. See all the colors is just I don't care I see people I don't care what color you are and so but but in the midst of this. All we heard was black matter black lives matter in the inference was and some people went so far to say only black lives matter. Well, our response has Christians was lovingly no because of Jesus Christ all lives matter. Jesus. God So loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that who so ever believes him Paul said Look and Jesus Christ. There is no Jew. There is no gentle those racial and cultural differences there is no mail there is no female there is no slave there is no master. Now there were slaves and their masters there were men and women, they were Jews and gentiles. So let's Paul saying he saying in Jesus Christ all. Lives matter it's you're you're not over our beneath each other when you're born again as brothers and sisters. So when we started saying that on the Internet oh my gosh. Pastors lost their jobs religious leaders lost their jobs denominational leaders lost their jobs C. E. O.'s of corporation who I guess were believers or at least rational people when they said it, they lost their jobs will what is that? That's the spirit of antichrist's because listen guys. If I can't worship on resurrection Sunday if I can't worship on the Sunday of the birth of the church. If I can't sing my praise Jesus. Now Liquor Stores Big box stores and rioters there. Okay. But the church is evil seat rungs on fire. Let's blame the Christians and then if I can't say. All. Lives, matter. That's the word of God from Genesis to revelation. That's the whole purpose of the word of God is to declare in God's eyes all lives matter he's sacrificing his own son for us. That's the heart of the Gospel was the heart of the New Testament. It's the last words of the book of revelation. Yet the evil one has convinced the whole world that we cannot say that I think he got a little confused in the middle there. He was like this is all about black lives matter black lives matter and also we can't go to church on yeah. Resurrection Sunday. That wasn't because of black lives matter. Pastor, that's not why we can't. I wasn't the reason right I I don't think he knows that I think he blames. Black lives matter for the covid nineteen I think I think he thinks that the same thing? Well. I wouldn't be surprised It's amazing how how much somebody can sit there. And say they're not racist, right Over and over and over and over, and then just pick up one racist trope after her. Yeah. Right. Well. I feel like saying racist well. Is a is one of the racist tropes true to saying. Is there is a racist trope and just saying, I, see people, right? Yeah. Whether or not you follow that up with exactly I don't see color or not. Color Blind. That would mean you only see black and white. So what's the implication? You also see Brown like Great Good for you. You're amazing. What a what a? Remarkable man he must be. And also. Like. If. I were a person of color. And I heard him say I own I, love everybody. I don't even look. I don't care what your what your race is. What I would hear is I don't care if you're race experiences struggles different from my own right that that's true I don't I don't want to think about that. I only want to think about us as the same right. So every time you say there's something different I'm going to just go blow Allah. Nope we're the same I love everybody the same. Now, that's that's insightful. Dan Did you just come up with it? Really. Good. That's really good. I know. The fly, but that was really good. Yes. Amazing. No I'm seeing there an I like seen like this whole like. Matter thing right like like I if you feel. The Need. To to say all lives matter when somebody says black lives matter, right? Right. Thinking you've got there. You've got. You've got a problem. And you need to figure that one out I mean at least this guy did take the step because. What's interesting is watching like black lives matter activists just ask people who feel the same way like. Just to say like if you believe all lives matter and you believe that black lives are part of our lives, just say the words black lives matter. Yeah. It's amazing. How many people squirrel their way out of that now, they won't say, black lives matter. So. Yeah. Yeah. You're a racist. That guy. Any. Who just say black lives matter everybody it's the yeah that's it. The it was very funny. I saw somebody I saw there there is the thing that was going around on on the facebook or whatever that was it said. It was a conversation between two peoples, a screen shot of a conversation, and it was like somebody was like blue lives matter and then somebody else's. All. All jobs matter. For the person WHO's at blue lives matter said Yeah. But it's the that are under attack right now. Oh. Well you made the point. You did it. That's awesome. Now can you extrapolate? Are you capable of. Using the transit of property here or whatever to Anyway Hey. We had some folks right into a system should I should I read some some of the missive? been sent in. Yes. This is this one comes to us from miracle who says Hello Vranken Dan my name is miracle and my husband and I are. Congratulations. We were both raised in religious homes. My husband was a mormon, but his parents were open minded and are okay with his beliefs and respect us my parents however are very closed minded and we're and we're extremely religious religiously abusive my whole childhood. Well, they are starting to be that way with our kids. My daughter is five and loves Harry Potter and my mom told her it's evil because it has real witchcraft in the movies. She also told my five year old about Hell and burning in hell and her skin melting off and bugs eating her what my five year old tells my three year old that the this one day and it took me literally hours to call my three year old down. Obviously, she had a bad panic attack believing this nonsense. I talk respectfully to my mom. About this about this telling her, it's not her place to talk to our kids about religion. That's what that's for the parents to do. She then proceeded to tell me that she will not stop telling them the quote unquote truth, which is just her truth. My husband wants wants us to stop letting her around the kids. She's my mom and I would really not like to do that I was hoping you guys would have some advice for me. I know you're you're. We're not parents I know you're not parents, but anything would be helpful. Well. Thank you for for writing A. You're right you. You've definitely come to the right place with two non parents to guide and advise you well, I would say I mean just off the top of my head, right? Just keep supervised. Dangerous. Things to your kids like like maybe like the full-on like I mean I don't know I don't know how bad this this this this is. It sounds bad. But maybe the whole pulling the plug entirely might be a bit much but supervised maybe might be a nice way to well that but there's also the option of talking to your mom and just saying look. The way that we feel is if you're going to keep saying these things to our children, we are going to take our children away from you. Yeah. So you out the you laid out so we don't want to know on. You to have a relationship with them we love you we love them and we want them to love you but we're not going to let them see you if you're going to go against our wishes. And and talk to our children in a way that we don't like, and you can even make an analogy to say. I don't know just say you wouldn't have let somebody talk to me in a way that was disrespectful to your belief, right? So, why would you? Why would I let you talk to to my children in a way that's disrespectful to my beliefs. But her beliefs are right. Yeah, and she's GonNa come at you with that. So I. Don't. I'm not saying you should do this. I'm just saying it's an option but I mean putting down a boundary like that and just saying there there are distinct and absolute consequences to this and we'll hold too. I think grandma's usually want the kids in their lives and I religion you. fucking crazy. Right, it's true. It's true and I make no guarantees about this So, just know that none of this none of this comes with a guarantee that it's going to go. Well, yeah, and you know your mom and we don't know your mouth. So you're the only one that can can decide how this works but God dammit telling a five year old threaten their is going to be destroyed and like that is abuse I don't care if you believe it or not. That's abuse to a five year old. You don't tell five year olds about like you know. You don't tell five year old about murderers coming to kill them or whatever you even if that might be true, there might be murderers in the where are we know there are we don't say that to a five year old Now so like the truth or not truth of it has nothing to do with it. Yeah. I mean like why? You wouldn't let the child see a movie that had that kind of content. Right guaranteed this grandmother wouldn't right. So why? Why? Because it's just RELIG- like how's the fact that it's religious? Religious story or whatever how does that? Inoculate child against. The damaging against the trauma of something horrific melting. Yeah I would never let a watch that animal. I shield my eyes at the end of the. Indiana Jones right. When that Wax Person? Matt's the worst thing. I hate. You seen that recently. Nightmares Damn. It's terrifying. No. Yeah. Dan gave good advice on this so Good, luck and and no, but your advice was good to frank if that feels like since stance then just don't let them hang out with grandma if one of us not there. Yeah. Yeah. That sucks because then she can't like Babysit your whenever are nice cheap I e free. Savings sitting labour. True Anyway. Good luck. Let us know how things go a but but yeah, that's that's good as we're going to get other for better advice seek. Professionals or real parents yeah. One of the two I like it though when people like us us like the atheist Ann landers like. Expect. Oh my gosh. Don't take advice from a podcast. Guys. Wayne has written into us This is about you know we we've talked a few times a recently about. Pronouns the defect that in English, they are gender and. The problematic nature dad, we don't have a solution. And we don't have. Yeah. Well I mean there are solutions I just don't like them. Purse. Yeah we're personally grumpy. Wayward. into say that ironically in the Islamic Republic of Iran where Farsi is the predominant language, they have always had only one pronoun for men and women. Really. So boom He wrote what the Pronoun is, but he wrote it in Arabic and I have no idea how to pronounce it. It's just quibbles. Look at that Beautiful Pronoun. With it It's it's. It's quite lovely. I don't even know if that's Arabic I guess it's not Arabic if it's The Arabic alphabet I don't know what it's. Saying some travel with Persians like well. They they can deal with it. No. You could plug that into like Google Translate Dan. Yeah. Probably get it to actually say it for you to yeah probably anyway the point is when Iran is ahead of you know when when, when a Muslim country is ahead of you on, a gender non specificity. You know you're you're struggling. But language is weird languages is indeed. Very. Weird. All right. Max in Mississippi wrote into us. Mac Says I love the show obviously were amazing second. You read a letter from a fellow who lost his faith because of the election of Donald trump the exact same thing happened to me. Really I had never had any bad experiences in my church Episcopalian. Congregation was pretty out front on social issues. We call we called female priests accepted LGBTQ members performed same sex marriages, and recognize that the Bible and Christianity were part of an were part of evolving traditions. I was happy in my congressional my congregation until November twenty sixteen than I suddenly heard people chortling about the election of Mr Trump and the supposed humiliation of Secretary Clinton. I heard racial slurs from people I at once respected. Others found ways to square their religion with their support of a man who seems to defy every tenet of Christianity right. Suddenly. Grabbing women by the pussy was something everybody said was something no. Max did not write the word pussy by the way Grabbing women by the blank was something just everybody said. I knew in that instant instance error in that instant that my face faith man I can't talk today was mortally wounded. After the election I came to realize that even moderate or progressive religion was as was a dangerous position it lent legitimacy to the fundamentalist of the world who would cynically or even devoutly use religion to enrich themselves, aggrandize themselves and harm others. For Society to improve, the whole thing had to be uprooted tossed into the compost heap religious liberals might like to imagine that they are fighting a battle for the soul of religion but they do not realize that they have been utterly routed the fundamentalists and reactionaries control. Christianity and most other faiths because the faith lends itself to those to those uses. That was a really powerful point. So. There you go. I, Yeah I think it. Really. Religions pretty much poisonous I. I. Love this notion that like the election of Donald Trump actually shook people out of their religious beliefs, their religious sort of complacency or or stupor or whatever. That's amazing I and I don't want this to. I'm always trying to look on the bright side of things, right? And I don't want this to come off wrong but as long as we can get him out in the fall, right? Second Term I'm hopeful that we that it's the this is woken a lot of people up right and that maybe that maybe on the other side of of trump's for years maybe we can make something a little bit better. Out of our society, it may not have been only does ask yeah hopefully hopefully, if we can do that, then it will it won't have been for nothing, right? I mean. I also the the flip side of that is also not that hopeful. Right now that this country can. We, can. Say. The things across the political divide that need to be said and have the other side here at. Both well and Mike O. for Bosnia we we we have to listen if we want to be listened to. And compromise can feel really picky when you think the other side is completely. Evil so Well especially when they refuse to compromise. Then yeah that's true too. But maybe once we're in power, they'll be willing to compromise. Right Yeah that sounds totally possible. It's not we're fucked. Well. Listen we had some folks some some lovely people decided to donate. I'm going to start off. By by mentioning. to people that decided to subscribe on Pal Fantastic Britney. And John are both new new deacon sets fantastic us and I really appreciate you guys You got some people on A. New We have to. We have actually four, but we have two new priests growing. and. Two new teachers. So let's see the two teachers are Isaac and rocky. So thank you to the both of you and the. Are, Rebecca and Wayne. Thank you guys you guys. Like with the with the deacons over on pay pal, you guys can do the whole sacrament now. Yeah now we can finally. Ackerman the bread and water it's going to spread all around. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's a it's a glorious. Thank you guys. All did is. They went to thank God. Dot Com and clicked on the support Tab where there are options laid out you can go to pay pal you can go to over the Patriots And sign up for whatever level you you want to sign up at and then also as. Our Morton Savior our top donor in fact Oh, we need to think someone very special. This. Pleasing. Thank you guys so much and. yeah. You you're keeping going. We love you. Dan. Hey. There's something that historically. The Catholic church is always just lacked. They had none of it. And Money. Is that. They've always had such a hard time. It's acting up. It's been a rough one for for the Catholic Church. I mean, it's it's not like half of their edifices are. Coated in gold do. I mean, they have had recent troubles. The Vatican itself Covid nineteen has obviously hit really hard because they rely so much on you know the ticket male prostitute. Right no the Vatican. Museum tickets. Proceeds, to help pay for like almost everything and. They have investments and all that kind of stuff. But then you know you have all these diocese here in the United States that have that are. Essentially going bankrupt because they've been sued by people who were molested by their priests. And these court find these court decisions have. Seriously impacted the financial stability of of some of these these diocese. Well, a lot of the time it doesn't even get to court because they settle out of court they have a program to settle. Where actually kind of discovered that in this are I didn't realize that they were just setting up funds. To just be like if you just sign this, we'll give you some money and don't sue us. Yeah. Yeah, it's literally at this point there's just like. You know there's the at the end of every mass. There's a communion line and everybody goes lines up there, and then there's the line that you line up to get paid for having been raped by a priest. So. But anyway. The point is they've been appropriately. Their. Funds have been hit struggling to they've a little bit. Diocese. No not in this country who think they are save and that savior comes by the name of covid nineteen. And Donald Trump's the the what was it? The payroll protection program or whatever it was the P P money. Yeah. That has. been. Trying to prop up America's small businesses during our economic struggles right now. And it's and it's you know these are much needed funds and they work they they they basically refund. The business for having kept their payroll up during a time when they're not making money and they also this money can also go toward rent and utilities. Right? So it's like it's like keep your business up and we know that like you're not making any money, this is meant to be for small businesses. that. are going to be struggling galeano little mom and pop shop or whatever, and you know we and there are rules about it like you have you can't have you got have under five hundred employees. Otherwise you don't qualify you're too. Well. I don't know if you guys have ever seen a catholic diocese. But the big ones have well over five hundred employees. We're talking about a whole bunch of different parishes. We're talking about schools. We're talking about all this time they employ. Of People, it's a big fucking organization. And so and yet, and somehow they have found their way into over a billion dollars. of PP money. Yeah, it could be as high it could be as high or higher than three and a half billion dollar. Yeah. To a church from the American government from the American Ball. Are. I don't know. I don't know of any of you have read this thing that we have here that we like to call the constitution of the United States of America what? Yes, it's this weird documents written in old timey language and stuff. So it doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe. That's one of the things that. Yeah probably. But it does have this little phrase that says that you know. American, the the. The government and the churches are supposed to keep themselves kind of separate now. But that didn't stop. Megaton of. Government money just flowing not just to the KNOB legs but two churches across country and here's the thing. They didn't report. They didn't want to tell us anything about who got what money But. They told. But because of because like the P and a whole bunch of other people filed a lawsuit so that they would reveal it. They did reveal some stuff including the fact that around nine thousand Catholic entities received loans. But the but here's the thing we don't even know what like the only ones that were revealed. We're loans that were. We need to stop calling them loans they're not loans. It's a fucking giveaway rant. It's a grant it's free money because. As long as as long as you use it properly, you never have to pay it back. So alone you don't have to pay back is not alone. But But yes, anything that was given under one hundred and fifty thousand dollars they didn't even report that. So we don't. We have no idea. How many how many of these organizations got one? Hundred forty, nine, thousand dollars. It's ridiculous. It's it's really. It's really disgusting when you think about the the sums of money and you think about think about your own community and think about the businesses that you're already aware of that have closed. Right. Yeah. I don't know whether those places qualified or got some money or what right but the fact that the are small businesses in this country are in serious serious trouble. And that money who knows what good it could have done ended there I mean there is an argument that. And it's their argument that they have employees and they're they have hey, role that they're trying to protect. This program and it's just that we've we just don't do that. That's that's that's that your religious organization you have your source of income you you were also a not taxed by the government. And now you're getting like you. Like the argument is that these small businesses have been paying into a system that is that is now providing a safety net in time and restroom and dire need. These churches have not been paying in. And now. They're supposed to be getting money to prop them up. It's. It doesn't work that way. Yeah. The thing is that there was A. A split there was a there were some behind closed doors meetings. Between the the trump administration and a whole bunch of churches. And they just got them to carve out a whole bunch of exceptions to the rules. So the churches could just get free money and he my concern and I haven't actually seen this outlined anywhere. But my concern is an I'm guessing this is true. Look when they file their taxes, churches aren't like other nonprofit organizations. Other nonprofits are required to outline exactly where every penny of money goes how you know. It is a matter of public record how much each employee and a nonprofit makes how you know every every bit of their. Of their accounting. Has To be a has to be entirely accounted for so. Another nonprofit you know a museum or something. that. Took A. Loan. Will know if they used it how they use it that will be clear. It's very possible to me that these guys will never have to account for how they use any day could take it and just start paying off their you know. Just refilling the coffers after they paid off all of their all of their victims. Okay. You know just and just an investment or whatever. But no matter what like the this money flowing in and covering their payroll. For for this period of time, the money that they would've used on their payroll, they can now move over to other ranks right. They don't even have to misuse it for this money to have like. Two very good. Go to to allow the refilling of their coffers elsewhere. Right. So. Yeah it's So. Yeah. I mean it so thanks. To the Donald Donald Trump and and co we now the taxpayers are paying for. The The settlements. Yeah for all of these. 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WPN 16  Jim Spuller (Dad)

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WPN 16 Jim Spuller (Dad)

"Wailua move you got me can't get you out yeah. I guess you're stuck hanging saddle stale out out of answering back to whiskey pints national. Thank you jake Dazs for bringing us in. It's been quite a bit of a break so thanks everybody for joining us again but on the road for the last month and a lot of changes have happened a lot of good. I you'll notice that there's no brandon brandon still going to be a part of Whiskey pines as much as he can but given the amount of work that's going to have to go on his actual day job. He needs to focus on that and I will continue on my in now for my update. So last time we talked was that the carly episode in April I had interviewed and and accepted a position and finished up a move to Indiana and so I've been up in Indiana for about the last week and a half and left the P._J.. About two weeks ago but was on the road with them for an entire the months leading up to it so during that time I was in Long Island for the P._J.. Championship I was in South Carolina for the P._J.. Professional Championship and Rochester New York for the senior P._J.. Championship so like going on a lot of really cool stuff happening <hes> we're GONNA have to change the format of the podcast a little bit but for the most part will still be able to do a lot of cool things. We're going to have a guest coach host each week. The the idea behind that is we'll be able to touch all types of different topics will be able to do a little bit here and there and kind of go off my schedule so we'll come out every Friday is going to be the schedule and expect to see it probably an early early drop Thursday night but for the most part we'll have out Friday morning and also part of that we are going to have these new co host which will open up interview opportunities so I think the beginning of each episode is going to be me talking a little bit and give you an update of where we are a Westie binds and then the second half will be as being able to do interviews with <hes> with all different types of people still going to continue the cheap meal with with Lauren. I actually fly back to floor at the end of the the the end of the month and will get a couple interviews in that weekend and we will produce those and send those out hopefully one to two per months. We may go every other week depending on how many interviews we can get next era at the end of the month. So what a cool stuff happening happening podcast structure is going to be pretty fluid for the most marketable. We'll try some new stuff here and there we're going to kind of catch our flow figure out what works what doesn't work but for the most part a lot of really really cool things happening in all of our lives was coupons will continue to push on the new hats are on sale. They're doing really well so make sure you get those father's day this weekend. We have the U._S.. Open this weekend as well. Hopefully everybody gets to sit down spend time with their dad watched the U._S.. Open see how beautiful pebble beaches and I don't know maybe go on there by hat. We got some t shirts available as well the polos pullovers since I was on the road for so long didn't get a chance to really dive into them too much but for the most part those are pretty close to ready for production was talking to the company last week and gave them all my feedback on what I would change on their first round of it so hopefully we'll get some the new soon but excited about what's happening. The new job is going to be really cool up here in Indiana for me. It's nice to get back to Indiana. See some family be around friends that I haven't been around for a long time so a lot of change in the last month since we all kind of talked but side about what's to come. I think one of the things that I want to highlight is just over the last month like everything that's been happening P._J.. Professional Championship is really cool. We're down in at Hilton head South Carolina and while we're down there the P._G.. Professional Championship was awesome. Great Field starts out three hundred and fifty six players ends up with top twenty making the P._J.. Championship so really really cool to be able to see that happen and also able to get out and play Caulton River where they filmed bagger Vance and then also got out and played harbor town so he falls on social media you saw me climbing in the back of a pickup truck because right after the championship there and harbor town we played it the next week and they still had some service vehicles out on the course and I happen to hit one of my drives in the back of it and Ryan Adams and I had to spend probably five or six minutes looking in the back of the truck and the we just gave up and dropped and and played on but P._j.. Professional Championship was really really cool trip. We were able to watch game of thrones while we were there. That is a whole nother story but for the most part we got to a hotel that didn't actually Sir didn't actually have H._B._O.. So we had to go off and kind of do our own thing and ended up watching it on my laptop so there's four of us in a room watching it on my laptop and in the pitch black and finally got there so really cool enjoyed your P._j.. Professional team chip and then after that was in New York for the P._J.. Chaim chip with Brooks Kepco going down dominating getting the field. It was an unbelievable championship overall. Everybody seemed really happy. The fans are great a little drunk but they were great but for the most part it was really really nice to get up there. Enjoy what we are doing. Get a see we all the work that we put into it for the last year really kind of takes shape so brooks dominated the field. It was nice that he came back a little bit on Sunday to have the have a little bit of excitement. I guess you could say but for the most part he he killed a he. He hit every fairway he was hitting pods. He was hitting Greens. If you get off the fairway all you're done at that course <hes> we played the Monday after a plant a couple of holes. If you get in the rough it's basically a wedge or nine are now but for the most part it's it's a really really cool golf course but it's that was tough. I'm not entirely sure everybody did it but they got through it and then finish it up by driving from Long Island to Rochester New York. It's about a six hour drive. Dr Got pulled over most part of the way there for talking. My cell phone which I did not know is a state law in New York and got a ticket and then got up to the senior P._J.. Championship got to see a bunch of people that that I worked with for a long time got to say goodbye to them. In person enjoy the championship for awhile and then really from that point forward flew back to Florida spent about three day three or four days packing finish up south of the P._J.. Packed up my I my car headed up north and made the drive from Jupiter Florida to Bloomington Indiana overnight actually got in at night so got in about one or two o'clock in the morning the full all triple in one day and started my new job about a week ago some lot of really really cool things happening. The new jobs going great for the most part. I'll probably keep that on the down low for the most part and just focus on whissy pines not get too much into it but by getting the P._G._A.. Gives me an opportunity to talk a little bit more about what all we're doing some of the cool stuff and golf <hes> where I see golf going and a little bit everything there so it's nice to be back in Bloomington been play a little bit more. Golf nice to see everybody but excited about what's to come as I said we're going to go down to Florida. Get a bunch interviews of the June for the cheap meal <hes> we're going to continue doing this. We dare Campbell coming up next week as a guest talk a little cubs baseball we got a couple of other ones lined up for the rest of the month. We're going to get an interview Devon true blood follow up on how everything's going with him. I need to check in with Austin Wallace to see how golf's going out New Mexico but for the most part we're gonNA have some recurring guests here and they're trying to find a fit for Co host but for the most part kind of play by ear if things if things work out they work out if not we'll continue doing this interview and get people informed on what's happening across the world so excited about what's happening I know I keep saying that but a lot of great support from from Brandon and Brian and all my friends and family as we continue to push forward on this one and we will do the best we can to create a lot of cool content for everybody ready that being said the U._S. Open Week Pebble beach is an incredible golf course we're out there last year and went out there drove around the golf course for a little bit didn't get a play it but what we did get a play. A couple of golf courses in the area. Positive Tempo is one of the coolest golf courses I've ever played and was an opportunity just go play golf and Monterey so if you're ever up in Monterey even if you can't get on <music> pebble or spyglass or one of the really big ones go try and play a positive tempo and then there's another golf course that's just right around the corner from there which I would suggest everyone. If you get a chance ago is called Pacific growth. It's probably about thirty probably twenty five minutes away from Pebble Beach and they call it pebbles little brother basically and it's a municipal course nine holes are inland and nine holes those are on the Pacific Ocean and it is absolutely gorgeous. It's only fifty dollars to play you. Get in you. Get your kind of like rundown golf car and you go out there and you just have a blast. There's there's no necessarily dress code there. There's not a ton of rules. It's it's basically the opposite of what you would assume a pebble would be from a structure standpoint but for the golfs unbelievable those one of the really cool trips you took <hes> Matt night played that last year and got joined by a couple of other people and just just really enjoyed it so if you ever get out to Monterey and you can't get on pebble go out play Pacific Grove and also checking on positive if you can get on their paw Stamkos my favorite golf course in the entire country so that tells you anything there are but not only is it U._S.. Open Week Sosa Father's Day so in honor father's Day. I figured there would not be a better guest to have on and to re kick off this new podcast then have my father on so we are going to have gyms Buhler Laurent my dad former P._J.. Professional Professional Golfer to talk about golf talk about the U._S. Open. We're going to talk a little bit about his favorite Golfer Memories. What he thinks is the hardest shot in golf and we're going to talk a little bit of fatherly the advice since he's kind of lived a little bit everything he grew up on a farm went to school in Florida played golf and then entered the corporate world so he's kind of touched a little bit of each part of the world that we do in this podcast with with the corporate world with golf ended and really just kind of enjoying life some really good interview excited to talk to him? Happy Father's Day everybody and enjoy the interview <hes> for Father's Day I decided added to have my dad come on and also we can talk a little bit about the US Open talked about his golf background and then also kind of dive into <hes> potential picks for the use open so dead. Thanks for joining a career. You're so you're tired now started on the golf industry. When you tell everybody a little bit better your journey into golf and then everything that kind of led you to where you are now she or I start <hes> I would assume probably four away Senator University? Everybody starts all right. I graduated from High School in Nineteen Seventy fifty fifty year reunion is coming up next year. Congratulations wishes thanks and <hes> went to what college in Florida and in Florida got into Gulf in nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy three so one of my favorite stories is when you told me how you chose your college so do you want to tell everybody how I ended up going to college Florida with pretty simple relief. It was north of Atlanta. We've got thrown in the trash because it's too cold golf balls and snow so ironically enough some of the <unk> some schools who had an interest I in me playing golf for them was into California or or Florida and Florida Zalin. I knew anything about so. I decided to go to Florida plus McWilliams. My Buddy recommended <unk> the year before baseball. I was GonNa say you need a couple of people down there when you went there so it always makes it a little bit more fun and so then obviously use open week noon. I've talked about it a lot especially the Monterey area in Pebble Beach in general what stands out to you most about paddle beach. It's just gorgeous. There's no other way to say it. It'd been places Robert Louis Students <unk> place who are land meadow ocean water and I have to believe it is just gorgeous as you know getting married up there which we got. We got married. Actually at <hes> please. It's called the highlands in Vancouver and we had a reception at the eighteenth hole pebble beach. That's pretty impressive. It was time what how's the weather there because there you see the round today they showed how foggy it was getting towards you the day whether they get June swoon California all the way down to all the way down to San Diego gets June swoon anyhow which is fog layer coming in so it's pretty difficult but <hes> whether it's just suspect one day it could be fifteen next day could be eighty that is very true. Go a little bit more into your background and now grown up on a farm and developing the work ethic that you had and then moving to Florida and pursuing golf and then then moving into the corporate world. I was saying about this either. What do you think was was a bigger transition for you? Moving from Fort Wayne Indiana to Florida or transferring from the golf industry to the corporate world clearly moving from farm farm kid from <hes> just title Fort Wayne Indiana to college employment was a big big transition but we had that go on ahead <hes> so that was a huge transition pros for my buddy reclaims his done there from the year before so he can agree Lisa skids negative <unk> is brother ten who Agra joined with also on down there and <hes> Tim <hes> Tim did mega bags eight-year <unk> graduated so I went back to your own myself so was probably the toughest thing from hitting golf balls in the pasture field to to Blind College Golf was a pretty big transition is you and I've talked about before also the fact that the fact I will probably was always out over my skis more than I should have been Albany screaming I didn't I didn't have a lot of talent but I just kept grinding grinded grinded finally made it in turn Brown for adjusted Cypress Creek in Orlando. Lando <unk> followed my blog you read about that any outlet but <HES> WORKED FOR EDNA in development for three or four years more dwayne mckinney Waynesville country club North Carolina in back to Fort Wayne Yeah. I think I think that transition had been especially coming from a relative. I mean Fort Wayne's not small but I think from where you're from for a relatively small area to not really knowing anybody going into a sport where you didn't know a ton of people down there and then really starting to Kinda learn the golf industry. I figured that'd be a pretty pretty hard transition but would would you notice was the most difficult thing for you going from kind of being a golf professional to into the corporate corporate world and kind of trying to figure out more the business side as opposed to say the clubhouse side always loved the business part of the Gulf in the city because I worked for some really talented merchandisers ed just as a talented merchandiser new business entire now I worked for Johnson's agent <unk> Orchard Ridge in Faraway News Good merchandiser. I worked for billy concerts. Dad Bill <unk> junior foreign country club so I was always attuned attuned to the business aspect of golf so the transition from golf to business was not nearly as difficult as the transition from Belan. Hey and doing farm work playing golf in college. What was your favorite part about? Being in Florida obviously besides the winners compared to being up in Fort Wayne Stop me of winners sort of so much nicer not did goals balls and snow and and and and what not to just couldn't believe it and you know we used to play golf and basketball and of course being from Indiana we have played a lot of basketball and we played with Otis Birdsong some of those guys when it was just a lot of fun. We played outdoor basketball. I say I'd never heard of that winter. You didn't have to plan a barn with a bunch of eaters and me and him do okay so going a little bit more of the golf stuff so one one of the questions I wrote down was your favorite Gulf memory and I think the next one will kind of go into the way that pebble setup but the next question would be what's the hardest shot that you think isn't golf favorite Gulf emory probably just some of the people I met the Mo- Norman's of the world I played Norman. I told you the story it a driver off. I e the Sanford Sanford Country Club in Mount Sanford Florida and <hes> threes ball up in the air about thirty thirty feet in the air with a persimmon driver in a lot of ball bounce on these clemencies head of his club to the next tee shot I just did what can the hand eye coordination is up to have just amazing yeah so that's probably some of my favorite golf memories. Obviously with the people I met I met so many nice people to go from this so many nice people tour players but he's Larr bill captured people like that that I grew up against so say you got a pretty good crew that was from Indiana about that time that were really good golfers and ended up making a pretty good career in Dick Grado from the beach. It was a couple of years older than I timber. His younger brother was a little bit younger than I and and then billy crutcher Tom Kelly Tom Kelly can four-way near in people like that are just amazing amount of mount really talented auto nestle to play the leading score around that time especially coming from Indiana. I mean it's it's not like you're growing up in Texas or California or Florida where I was kind of equated to baseball where they're they're kind of planet all year round similar Gulf where the weather's Nice Mathare where they can play all year round so it's not uncommon to have a ton of religion golfers from South Florida but it is pretty uncommon to have a pretty good group golfers from one stay right around the same age range. Yes particularly particularly true. There were just some of the county school <unk> so the kid. Tom Shares played for Leo booth played for Douglas who made a career ground swell on a couple of golf cours up here in northeastern Indiana but he went to pray. I it's just a lot of really good players. Do you think do you think that part of it goes back to how good the golf how good golf is is in Fort Wayne with there. Being a number of very good courses in what probably four the top fifteen for the top twenty courses in the state of Indiana quite a few good courses for win country clubs <unk> clearly Sycamore hills places like that but I think a lot of it just had to the fact that you know it was highly competitive. Verena everybody wanted to compete and golf is the thing that they can beat it against most Dave Hoover who you may or may not know from the tour this from Fort Wayne is while he pleaded see see the year before I did so wow okay so that goes to our next question of what do you think is the hardest shot in golf not necessarily at a certain course but a a shot that you always stood over at thinking this is this is my least favorite. My least favorite shot was the low cut those very well pretend to double cross noodle left a lot. I don't know I just said for me but not be oh. Maybe sometimes on demand shots are the more difficult than than regular shots but I always enjoy has enjoyed the tougher shots. When I like to do like you like like I know you are as a youngster? You would tend to put yourself positions where to watch begin Outta here. That's the way I was and still to this day. Yeah you could put me in the middle of the fairway one hundred fifty degrees and I may or may not make our but behind a tree hundred degree tonight. We'll make are still wired that way. I don't yeah I definitely noticed that that doing that. Growing up is helped me a lot now. When I start spraying my drive a little bit right and left than kind of imagination that takes over I'm like all right? I can neither punch out over here or I know I can get up high enough to get it over the tree and cut around a little bit so that part of it is always one as as my Buddy Ryan always says I will make the craziest part of the day and I will also somehow screw up the drive. That's in the <hes> <hes> middle of the fairway at some point so down the middle double he he goes. There's going to be at least one point in every round that we play together where you stripe drive better than anybody else and then you end up with a double on that whole but they're also also be a time where you hit it. As far to close out of bounds you can possibly go and all of a sudden. You're putting for Birdie. Yeah that'll happen. That's a spoiler trait. Yeah I mean maybe to see. I'm happy to hear you inherited that. Although the older you get the tougher it is did I on the air I I'm still I think I'm getting higher than I was before. When I was to say once I got the new clubs and actually had undefeated? I've noticed that my ball flights very consistent and I mean I'm. I'm hitting the ball really well right now but for the most part new clubs helped immensely while they in yours. We're a little dated yeah you mean the clubs our older than I was. Yes same ones if it helps is a great conversation starter every time that I went to go play with people and they would look at your bag and I'd be like don't worry you guys are probably GonNa win my clubs older than I am and then I'd go out there and hit him really well and they're like well. They are paying too so those those are really the only ones that you can have. They're really over ten years that people still pretty feel pretty confident. We're gonNA still really good. So remember I been gloves came out Houston Against Club. He told you start on Millwall's mill. c'mon by couples clubs. He'd righted couple. Checks leads <unk> to clubs on first came out like four dollars a centers Toukan jeez allow foreign are for the drivers <unk> did write the check out November. The Santa Me said Oh said how much is eight hundred dollars two cents for a fifty nine run a jacket <unk>. Aren't you gonNA write that down because those were the days when if I didn't Balance Checkbook Lynn diagnose it will hurt 'cause the amount's going to balance the bottom line is he might count as a once a course once a quarter. What is what do you do a little battery shop out south of town near keep in mind Orlando didn't <unk> how much money matters as well and we also in the last also in the last five thousand dollars or it is needed for Disneyworld right where castle senses where back so that's when I first determine what we're going to have that kind of money so you didn't have the land that will Disney needed to build the castle for Disneyworld known? If you remember they built that they bought shut up in limited partnerships just because new word got out to Disney wanted to land the other the other funny part about that was wasn't originally supposed to go to Jacksonville so then they could have cruise ships come into now doc and I think the city of Jacksonville said no and so then that's when he started buying up little pieces of land and central Florida to build it could be. I'm pretty sure I read that. We're Millwall's. He was pretty funny which which made me laugh because Jacksonville Jacksonville and they could could at Disneyworld exactly instead they have the Jaguars Yeah Yeah. That's about it going back to two pebble beach. You want to get your take on on the field for this week. You and I were talking a little bit last night but who we thought was going to win but when you start looking at the way that the people are winning the maters recently so even even tiger at the masters. Even I mean besides really the U._S.. Open a couple of years ago every winter has been in double digits for the majors for the most part because of the fact that it feels like somebody's run away with set almost every year at least a small group of them have started running away from the rest of the field so knowing how pebble plays and knowing what the U._S. J. normally does within with their majors. Who Do you see winning this week week? What kind of scoring do you see a lot of great stories? Come out could come out of this week. It could be tiger woods number eighty two or number number fifteen respectively in a major championships could be kept going to three to beat last person to dead was born before I was Willie. Anderson Maryland was McDowell. One on the same course Mickelson <unk> rose rose's grammatically overdue speaks overdue. He's one on that course and last but not <hes> leased by war picks. D._J.'s finished in the top five in the last. What five last ten opens yeah something like that and then I mean even that but also D._J.? So long in so good with his wedges that that it's tough to not take him in any tournament stuff GonNa take determined plus will distance into wedges obscene. Yeah especially wins a U._S.. Olson in how they grow up the rough hitting hitting a three hundred and thirty yard drive and then having a hundred and fifty yards in he can hit a wedge out of the Rough Day. Get close you then have somebody like speed who may be hitting niner nate and just the complete difference in yardage there at a U._S.. Olszyna then especially I think is what sets him apart and is what tech is Kinda done for the most part he's he sitting fairways. Look is going to be a debate in Canada. Live make a great story. He's not I repeat <unk> departure from every day and then you get a lot of sleepers yellow dark horses like mark placeman aid has played played famously well couture later Hofland. He's he's he had in general talent Senator Jason Day with Stevie Williams on the bag. That's GonNa be Interesting Sin Thomas Jimmy Walker Molinari could be great darker because they've all won on those categories. I mean I it going none. I was GONNA say Gulf always feels a little top heavy but as you start reeling off those names all I'm thinking is yeah I could very well see any of those players winning and it wouldn't be surprising at all and I don't think there's another point time where you could really off fifteen to twenty names and feel relatively confident that one of those players could walk away with a major then you had macaroni with field last week. Yeah the way where he played last week was insane people if he plays while again I mean you know he's got to be an odds on favourite if he plays anywhere near that he's definitely getting a top-five his he was throwing wedges in to about three inches in walking away. Dan Thought he was going to hold every one of them. We could just see the was gymnast bouncing eastep <unk> right once he gets to step. He's is cooking on all cylinders as they say so. Who's your peg for the week? Did he have one get one. It's tough not to go public kepco like at one. He's did you see what Kepco said the other day in an interview. I think it's two days ago. They asked him what he normally does after he does his practice rounds and everything like that and he was like well this week. I'll probably watch N._B._A.. N._H._l.. Championships law then they asked him if he ever goes back and watches golf and use again I go back. Can I turn on golf channel and see what Chuck Knoblauch and and some of those guys any mentioned basically everybody but Brandel I did see that and he goes yeah that's about it and just continuously unusally shipping shambles Shambo. Is You love him radioman. There's no much between yeah I mean. That's how a lot of the sports. Broadcasters have gone where on E._S._P._N.. They have like Stephen a Smith and then you're either a huge fan of theirs or you just don't watch ch and it's a very fine line for network to be towing to have those types individuals there who are willing to put themselves out there and take these hard takes but you kinda alienate part of your fan base when you you let them go on these massive tangents and especially if the players are noticing. It's probably not a great thing right once the old the was the movie was lessons more. I think the lesson says on the golf tournament better off they are the things I always admired about gymnasts. He knows when to keep his mouth shut well. That's what Fox is gone better at. I've noticed when they when they first brought everybody in to take over the U._S.. Open they a had like thirty eight different announcers they wanted to talk in. They wouldn't let dead air be dead air and I think that's one thing buck has gotten a lot better at and limiting down the the amount of people they have onset in the amount of gadgets and things that they have played all over the place. I think they've been able to realize the how golf not only is is run but also I think they've enhanced it a little bit most of. Shots I'll have the shot tracer on it even as somebody who watches a lot of golf if there's not a shot tracer auto on a shot from the fairway. I have no idea where it's going but plus you what <hes> what height they're. We're GONNA Internet so you can't follow it so I think that that's another part of the broadcast is whenever they put it up there. They show what they are in like the Fedex Cup and I completely understand the under the sponsorship ship side of that of having to do that but I would much rather see them show up there what club they're hitting or how yeah really just Kinda what club they're heading and a little bit more information about that individual player are as opposed to. I don't really care that they're going to be twenty four in the Fedex Cup and June leading in the middle of the U._S.. Open so there's some that Fox is doing some pretty good on that end of it at least not only not only. I am not what club they're gonNA. <unk> Lofton lie the club. They're hitting <hes> yeah. I think that six hundred ninety six hours of six hundred zero say that's true three trouble okay so I'm I think I'M GONNA go. I don't WanNa do it but I'm going to get a D._J.. I think he's been slowly lurking this entire ear and has you one yet this year. I think so I think so I was GONNA say 'cause it extended his streak. which is what he's also WanNa Pebble Beach? That's True D._J.. Streak of winning in like ten straight years or whatever that is is one of the craziest Drake's I've ever heard of winning at least one tournament like ten straight seasons. The good news is a great interview afterward. I mean he does have the personality to carry that Cirque Sarka case you missed. I mean it's the funny part is like you're starting to see it now. At Brooks where Brooks is letting his opinion go uh-huh and really kind of opening himself which is a good thing because I think too many of the younger golfers saw with tiger went through in there like no I'm not I'm never talking to a reporter or I'm GonNa give them canned answers all the time but it's nice to see Brooks Kinda opened up in and show a little bit more personality I think too many of the younger guys are going through the P._R.. Management and realizing that are I'm just not going to say anything which makes golf a little bit more boring than it should be. It's I feel more boring than it actually is just kill it's called us but it is not beautiful facility and if it weren't in the middle of Winter Midwest you would watch off. That's probably true I mean it stood by Watch Kamajors in the Summer Stephanie early spring because we're so Graham Blah ear. She just WANNA see greengrass. It's Great Napping T._v. to could good point all right so the Guy Got D._J.. Audience can be really good. Use Open pebbles ticket darkhorse each too yeah. WHO's your darkhorse? I'M GONNA go at least Mun. That's very get back Jason Damages. I WANNA say Jason Day even though Jason called Jason dark horses crazy but he hasn't really one in years right not a major yeah no. I don't think he's really WANNA tournament a couple of years. It's been two or three probably a leash wins in the group with Rory. I just saw that you worry sorry if he could do it. If you can do this we did last week. You'd be in great shape. I'M GONNA GO Kevin Kisner. I like it. I think I think he'll be fun to watch. He's I've watched a couple videos this week. He seems relaxed <hes> so be fun to watch but <hes> some of those holes are planning. I see the plate number to support for versus a bar five yeah. That's GonNa be a whole nother ballgame when they're you're able to convert a par five two apart for and the players don't really blink an eye on it but if it was a normal golfer it's still be a three-shot whole at least three central. I remember you know obviously interlock sure I used to but even even the days when I could play a little bit. I remember planning there in the first time I had driver to earn a degree in May go but but driver to her main thinking about editor now driver Wedge Yeah that's credible and I mean she change is a little wooden went. PERSIMMON would a lot of ball beater right out there. All right changing gears a little bit. Obviously it's father's Day so happy early father's Day. You're getting as in the mail. It is in the mail up checks in the mail so I had a couple of questions for you. Regarding father say one of them is what is the best and what is the worst gift. I've ever gotten you first of all any gift to give me as much as I told you before GonNa Save Your money by until I think they're all special <unk> just because it came do whatever but so I wouldn't want to pick a worst best about a lot of great gifts. You'd get over the years <hes> very politically correct answer take it. I don't believe that politically correct truth right so then some other fun ones favorite moment you had raising us or what what was the moment that you walked away. That was pretty NCOA for you and I probably masters this year. When you knew are Nice enough to invite me Ben's dead masters or Jake Stan Miller but <hes> but that was cool so aw that's probably I'd been there before but I just knew that you do fond of the terrain? If nothing else it was beautiful I mean even though we're only there for hours. A it was is really really cool to see well. It's the Parkinson's I don't know what I would have wanted to walk through too much or run around the house all out imperfectly find finding a place to sit in the grandstands and watch for a little bit but I didn't think that was probably great idea idea as a thunder storm over the top of US exactly we'd end up like Rajiv Kuzin skin kidnap absolutely shocked. They're finish it up. What would be or what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given and what's one piece of advice you would give people best pieces nice? I've ever been given was probably do it's right that was just by my Dan. It was a big believer in always. Do try to do the honest thing to do. Appropriately the first time to get in a massive momentum jacking around is is it cleaned up second day is best advice had says it help other people along the way you I was very fortunate in business <unk> insurance in the insurance industry or whatever would've been blessed with a whole bunch of people me on a lot and every time I helped somebody out they table what I don't mean anything except for you somebody else a leg up so always joyce trying to help the next person wrong them in the. Mull leg-up that'd be my best advice. I guess particularly as it relates to business I like it. They'll be really good for everybody here. I think <hes> I know learning that from you that Sunday night tr- always try to do whether whether it's small mentor ships or at least offering my advice if somebody asked for it or my opinion and try and steer them in the right direction of what I think would be all right but as I've talked about before it's it's generally up to the person to make their decision. You just can offer advice wherever you can well. That's all you can do. That's all that's all anybody could ever ask. I know I've been blessed with a whole bunch of people just helped me out in one of the reasons I did the coach Chris thing is I told told you is the people that helped me out along. The way didn't had no idea they did at the time. No I think I think you doing your blog. Series helped a ton to show people that it's okay to be a purchase and understand that even if if they didn't fully understand their impact on you years ago that it's it's still impactful in it. It's something that you at least want to get out there and say thank you for so I think reading those showed me a lot of it's okay to not only offer advice but also show your appreciation others for taking their time to be able to impact your life whether they realize it or not why I told you the doug automaker story by volleyball coach in Icicle School I we were playing with a nice going volleyball on in. We're bouncing balls around volleyball's around known locker room. No the ceiling tiles it came down from his out <unk> any looks up at the ceiling down Mishari. What happened here? I go again I did it looked to me like the saying look to me like to ceilings. I would've expected more. It's always Enron walkout. I'm going Oh my God. I would rather be called every name in the book. I learned I learned I learned the value of showy say <unk> respectful respect yeah I think yeah I remember you had told me that story at its impactful because of the fact that I think there's a lot of people who are always afraid he yelled at and I don't think that's kind of the way you and I are wired. I think I think disappointing people or at least not living up to the expectations you set for yourself and others have learned to follow. I think hurts more than necessarily just getting yellow light 'cause I've I've to a lot of people you can and yellow me up the yell at me all day I don't it's not going to really affect me because of the fact that I mean it's just words at that point but if if I'm not living up to expectations and then also Mela V._M.. To expectations of others especially people oh that I respect I think that hurts a lot more than somebody just berating me. 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346: Did Coronavirus Kill My Relationship? | Feedback Friday

The Jordan Harbinger Show

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346: Did Coronavirus Kill My Relationship? | Feedback Friday

"Welcome to feedback Friday. I'm your host Jordan Harbinger and I'm here with producer Jason to Philip on the Jordan Harbinger. Show we decode the stories secrets and skills of the world's most brilliant people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. If you're new to the show on Fridays. We give advice to you and answer listener questions the rest of the week we have long form interviews and conversations with a variety of amazing folks from spies to CEO's athletes to authors to thinkers and performers. In this week we had John Mendez. She was the chief of disguise at the CIA in Moscow during the Cold War so it's a combination of magician tactics. They use to disguise things and cool technology. She was essentially in like Jason. Like a cue department kind of for my six. You know like little gadgets and poison pens and ways to hide. People wristwatches can blow up a building. Yes stuff like that. So she talks about all the stuff they were using in Moscow during the Cold War. Really Fascinating episode. I I love stuff like this. We also had jim quick. He was known as the boy with the broken brain as a kid. Because he'd suffered a head injury. He had a learning disability. Could memorize. Things couldn't read was a bad student. He's dedicated himself to self-improvement and learning specifically Meta learning or the science of learning how to learn Elsa right every so often on the blog. The latest post is to stay productive while under quarantine. This has been a really really popular article. A lot of people don't know how to work from home effectively. Or you think you do. But you're doing all kinds of stuff wrong and I've been there have been working at home for thirteen years. Jason's been working from home for sixty eight years now. Pretty close pretty close. Yeah so we have real advice on how to work from home and stay productive not like stuff that you got off of the buzzfeed piece from a journalist this market from home for fifteen days so really good systems in there and make sure you had a look and a listen to all that that's at Jordan harbinger dot com slash articles. Of course our primary mission on the show is to pass along our guests insights in our own experiences and insights along to you the real purpose of the shows to have conversations directly with you. That's what we do today in every Friday here on feedback Friday I wanNA play just one brick in the structure that makes up your life. That's what the podcast is about. New can reach US Friday at Jordan Harbinger Dot Com. Before we start today. I just want to kind of bring a little. Psa into play here. There's a lot of scams going on. I'm sure y'all have noticed. There's one after another Jason. What are some of the more popular ones going around right now? Do you have any idea? We've seen a lot of uptick in. Ups Shipping Scams. Believe it or not saying. Oh your your masks are on the way or your gloves are on the way. And then you click on the tracking link and then boom spyware or ransomware things like that. So people are like they're getting fake ups shipping notices in there. Basically you're saying that's Oh that's coming to you from a friend and so when you click on it it's just like Oh okay and then boom. You're done keep an eye out for those. There's also a lot of Griffith's going on with the online world right now like learn how to make money from home. I've got the secret to this did it. It doesn't mean there's no such thing as an online business coach but it does mean that these ads. You're seeing are taking advantage of the idea that a lot of people have been laid off and people are at their most desperate and vulnerable. So it's time to take advantage of them. According to all these Pathak scammers so just beware and be extra careful. A lot of people have been emailing me like is this person really a good business mentor. They're selling a business mentor program. Mike Anybody selling a business mentor. Ship Program is not going to mentor. You they're going to charge you for an info product and then blame you when it doesn't work so just bear that in mind quote unquote. Mentors are not something that said. They don't sell their time as a mentor. That's a kind of a B. S. idea that's being put into by a lot of these Internet fraudster. So just keep your wits about you this time. Whenever there's any sort of chaos like this or uncertain T- these people come out of the woodwork. Sometimes because they're desperate but mostly because they know that a lot of you are desperate so just keep her wits about you Jason. What's the first thing out of the mailbag? Hey Jordan my boyfriend of three years abruptly broke up with me. I had symptoms of Corona virus. That we're serious. He told me I was mentally unwell in that. I'm not sick. He treated me horribly and he said he didn't want to deal with me eventually. I got better. But his attitude didn't change. He's been cold and dismissive. Finally I asked him if he loved me and he said No. He packed his things that day and left without a real explanation. Was it my sickness that pushed him away or was it just an excuse? I'm so heartbroken I could vomit and I'm left with so many unanswered questions. Do I get an explanation from him? How do I heal from this? I thought I was going to marry and have children with this man. Signed DID CORONA virus. Kill my relationship. I'm really sorry to hear about this. Nobody should be treated like this. It's clearly an excuse. It was probably going to break up with you before. Or maybe there's something else going on but I don't think anybody's GonNa go You're sick now. I'm GonNa Make Fun of you and leave. I mean not when you live with someone. That's just a weird thing to do. I would say Jason. One percent chance that maybe this person is actually crazy right and this was the last Straw. You never know. We only get one side of the story. But I think it's an excuse probably although I can imagine a world or a scenario in which somebody thinks they have every disease all the time or they're always doing something and when they hear about it in the news they have it. You know we all know that person who's like I think I have SARS and you're like you don't have SARS you professional hypochondriac. Yes Yeah but look even if that's you that seems weird to do this suddenly and just walk out like that with no explanation so even if you are bat shit crazy that little one percent chance. He still shouldn't have treated you like this so it really does sound like an excuse. Often people break up and the reason supposedly quote unquote reason for the breakup either pretext or a triggering event. So it's the straw that broke the camel's back. It doesn't mean that it's your fault. Of course I just mean that a lot of things might add up and then suddenly somebody leaves the cap off the toothpaste. And it's like that's it. I'm leaving you you know. That's that's the kind of thing that happens when people are really stressed out and right now everybody's under a ton of pressure and very very stressed out so maybe some people maybe he just couldn't handle that and it exploded in this particular way. I would say you actually dodged a bullet. If he's the type of person is going to leave like that and not hear you out and not talk it over. If he's so callous. This is for the best in many ways as far as healing goes therapies. Probably a good thing to look right now. Better help is a great place to get something like this better help dot com slash Jordan. They are a sponsor of the show. Of course this is break-up grief and now is an especially lonely. Time to be at home alone quarantined. Either lockdown dealing with is so seek connection with friends and family around now as well. I'm wondering if you're able to stay with your parents or your family for a few weeks process this. It's going to be better than staying around your empty apartment that you shared with this guy and just looking at everything and ruminating over this for the next few weeks while you can't even leave the house again so sorry to hear about this. I think you did dodge a bullet. You don't want somebody who's GonNa leave you at a time like this in the never talk to you about why. That's not cool. All right what's next. Hey Jordan and Jason. I've been listening to your recent feedback. Friday episodes around Cova Nineteen and entering the job market. These episodes have been extremely helpful and motivating during these uncertain times. I have an additional question. I'm graduating in June. With my master's in nutrition but have already started the job application process. The job market now is much narrower than it was before it was pretty slim to begin with with all coursework online graduation postponed. My roommate moved back home and wants to end our lease in thirty days. I'm living in Portland. Oregon where Solo living is quite pricey for someone without a solid job above minimum wage. I'm having zero luck. Finding a roommate as well as an apartment with roommates to move in with I know my student loans will begin to haunt me soon and I don't want to be spending over fifty percent of my monthly income on rent alone. That sounds financially irresponsible with zero job. Leads right now. I'm unsure if I should stay here during these trying times. I'm even unable to work at my part time job as a bartender. Due to the restaurant closures in my backup plan is to put my things in storage and move home to the rural northern woods of Wisconsin with my parents until things start to open back up. I'm curious what your thoughts are on leaving a big city with potential opportunities to retreat. Back home for a few months. Thank you Jordan and Jason for all that you do in for keeping the motivation up. During these times all the best. My roomie ran away. We talked to Professor Scott Galloway about the positives of living in a big city increasing surface area for luck abetter network better infrastructure for opportunities. Scott Galloway at a lot to say about that so there are a lot of benefits of staying in a big city. So I understand your concern here but this crisis has an undefined and date or not sure when things will open up again it might not serve any benefit for you to be a city especially if things get worse economically or if things get worse in terms of infrastructure and things like that my advice right now is move home save money. Keep learning online if you're stuck at home anyway there's no point in being in a nice metropolis with going on because there's nothing going on in your packed in there you can always move back to the city later on in fact the real estate market either decimated now or soon to be depending on when you're listening to this there's always going to be tons of great deals for places to rent once the plague lifts because the economy's going to be depressed. An occupancy will be lower than normal even if the economy recovers. You'RE GONNA see a lot of local businesses had to move out in the people that live there and had jobs have been laid off so landlords are going to be much more willing to negotiate. You're gonNA find deals that you're just not going to get right now in fact speaking deals. If you don't want to move back home for some reason I do again recommend moving back home but if you don't want to move back home the very least thing you should do is negotiate your lease renewal. You should not renew at the same price that you are in right now because I bet you could get. A huge chunk knocked off of the rent amount. You tell your landlord look and thinking of leaving my roommate's gone. I can't afford to keep living here. There's a very good chance that your landlord will say. Hey how about I charge you half as much and you keep the unit occupied because wants zero occupancy. It's better for him to at least make some of his money back on the mortgage or cover the just the bear costs or even operated a loss but not a loss so you might not even need roommates at all but again. I think you should move home. I think you might go a little crazy in an apartment by yourself. I don't WanNA catastrophes this or anything but it's very realistic that some of the hardest hit cities we're going to be locked up for another several months here and even if we're not by law supposed to be inside it's just going to be wise to stay inside through July at least in. Look that's what I'm saying this right now staying inside through then we don't know what second waves and third waves are gonNA look like if you're just learning from home go spend time with your family. Go Live with your family and save the money. That's my advice. Yeah get the hell out of dodge. Go back to Wisconsin. We have some great cheese. I Love Wisconsin. It's such a beautiful state. Yes stay the hell out of the cities because you know chances of you. Getting something are actually much higher in the cities. If you're out in the woods with your parents you're going to be safer and you won't have that stress as well which is going to be great. All right what's next. Hey Jordan Jason Injin. I'm thirty six and my family and I live in a small town in northwest Florida. Close to a popular vacation destination. My son who's fourteen is interested in starting a small business mostly detailing cars mowing lawns. And just doing small odd jobs to make some cash though. He's young he's very detail oriented and I'm confident he will do a good job in not half asset just to get paid. I think this is a great idea. But I'm a little unsure on how to help him market himself and his business I think by working the angle of teaching young people important things like hard work money in time management and the importance of social skills like being confident while talking to adult might possibly give him an in on things that people would usually higher adults for. I'm also not sure on how to go about making sure he doesn't get taken advantage of on price. I'm afraid people will WANNA pay him significantly less than they would if he was an adult doing the same type of small jobs. Any advice on how to help get his business out there and make sure he isn't getting underpaid because he's so young. Ps I will be with him while he's actually doing any work in help with anything he can't do or do well but I think it would be valuable for him to negotiate price. Thanks for everything. Signed cultivating budding businessman. Is What happened to me. I I learned to negotiate after I had you know I was doing lawns and people would underbid me and then I'd find out my friends who were doing other people's lawns. Were getting twice as much and I'm like oh I need to raise my rates. And they're like yeah like. You're getting half the money that we're getting. You're doing the same work and I'm like oh I did and then I started doing lawns for more and I lost clients but then I got. I made more money by just negotiating better. Because I found out that I got screwed but I found that on my own. I didn't find it because my dad was out there with me. You know yeah. I think there's definitely something to getting bilked early in the game just not super horribly bilked but yeah there's some lessons to learn. I think this whole thing is a great idea. I started selling things early in life and I wish I'd done even more of it getting jobs. Great experience especially once. I could start to see how things could be managed better than they were. When I worked at a movie theater. We had pretty decent management sometimes but we also had some pretty terrible management at other times. And I remember thinking If I were them I would do it this way and I would do it that way. And of course like you also start to see how deeply flawed folks are you. So many people ended up getting fired for like especially like the tough bosses that were always like dot the i's and cross the t's those people would get booted for theft like every every corner. There'll be one less manager and you're just thinking what the hell so anyway as far as marketing goes what you're GonNa WanNa do or what he's going to want to do is ask the customers for referrals. This goes for any business and you'll want to ask in a way that's memorable so instead of. Hey who else do you know that? Needs THEIR CAR cleaned. Your son might ask. Who else do you know that has a dirty car and this is because while we all know somebody that might need their car cleaned. It's not something we think about a lot. It's not a triggering sort of observation. But we'll we sit in someone's dirty car. We know it right away and we think like Jesus is a dirty car. O Right you should go have your car clean by this kid. So next time they sit in a dirty car. They're gonNA think of your service. This can work with lawns as well. Have Your Son Save his number in the phones of your customers or have them do it and when they save his name and number he should instruct them to save the as something like a heavens clean cars or whatever this way when people save the contact they can search their phone for car or for lawn. And it'll pop up. Don't try and get creative in spell car with K if his name is Kevin or whatever. Nobody's GonNa search their phone for a misspelling or a brand name also wants the number is saved. Have the customer taxed your son right away from their number so he can save their contact and if they're like why should I do that? Your son can tell them. He needs to save their number because he doesn't like to answer calls from people that he doesn't know this is one hundred percent reasonable and it gives your son in entire list of contact info. Four HIS CUSTOMER BASE. Now each month he can text everyone who's car. He cleaned or lawn. He cut last month and ask if they need the car cleaned again. And of course they will. This is going to generate a ton of business. Oh and let him get a google voice number so he can avoid getting tons of calls and texts all the time and he can turn it on and off at will turn it off at night without turning off his phone and then when he goes back to school he's not getting texts in calls all day from random strangers. I've got tons of sales tips. But that's enough for now as far as negotiating the price come up with a price list and just stick to it yes people think oh. I can take advantage of him. He's a young kid but he needs to learn these negotiations skills in the hottest stick to his guns. And like Jason Said. Let them get bilked. Maybe once this alone is an important lesson. Maybe just debrief at the end of the day how he felt doing business with each customer. So what about this person? Did you like doing business with them? No okay why. Well they tried to negotiate after I already did the service and after we already agreed on a price. Yeah that's not a very nice thing to do. What should we do with that happens next time? That kind of stuff if you felt cheated. Or if he felt bad about dealing with anyone asked him why and goes story he will soon find out that there are certain types of people that you do not want to deal with and that's another priceless lesson. I wish I'd learned as a kid and would've saved me a lot of time and money as an adult so go get him. I think there's a lot of room for a business right now. This is feedback Friday. 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It really helps us out and helps build the show family if you want some tips on how to do that. Head on over to Jordan harbinger dot com slash subscribe. Now let's hear some more of your questions here on feedback Friday. Alright what else we got. Hey Jordan Jason Jin. I was fortunate to meet someone last year. And we shared an undeniably strong connection right away. It was hard to articulate to loved ones. How different they were. I felt I had met my match. Someone who is a true teammate? Who respected and accepted all of me but could grow with each other through honest and straightforward communication early on. I learned. They had a difficult pass that they weren't fully healed from. I pushed that aside selfishly hoping it would work between us especially as we talked about future hopes or plans but ultimately they decided they needed space during the conversation they mentioned maybe we didn't have the x factor after all but at the same time mentioned hoping to reconnect if timing allows understandably. I'm struggling more than I want to was timing not our friend. Their past clouding our present or are we truly not a match. I want to respect their process but I have a hard time. Not Wanting to check on their wellbeing. Also I would like a follow up conversation down the line when appropriate. How do I approach this? Should I give this X. amount of time? I'm scared to be disrespectful. But also feel like we didn't have a fair opportunity flaws and all. This is one of the greatest humans I've ever had the privilege of knowing and I wish we could start fresh to test the romantic waters in time sincerely strong connection wrong. Timing while we can never know what's going on inside someone else's head also were never sure if what they're saying is actually true or just true for them often when people have relationships fail. It's because of baggage from the past so if someone needs their space we just have to give it to them but time does not necessarily heal all wounds especially if they're not doing anything to make that happen so if he had something bad happened to him in the past and he never really address. That never got therapy. Never worked through it and process it then. He's going to bring that into his next relationship. And that's true for anyone. So if you have some tumultuous stuff go on your past you should address it otherwise. You're just going to end up bringing into your new relationships you can certainly check in with someone after a few weeks and see how they're doing and you can certainly tell someone else how you feel. You're not bugging anyone by explaining your feelings unless they ask you not to do that for some reason. I wish I had magic answer here but all you can do is see. If they're in a better place that said I do urge you not to wait around too long for somebody who might not actually be doing their own work to move forward. Sometimes things just don't work out through no fault of our own so punishing yourself by waiting for someone else who doesn't want to work on themselves doesn't WanNa come along for the ride. That can be the worst thing to do to yourself because now you're just being dragged along by somebody else who's not dragging someone else along. Who doesn't even want to be there. And you know as an on the same page as you. That's going to be more painful than just sort of ripping off the band aid here. Sorry to hear about this. I certainly understand how hard this can be. But you're within your rights to ask what happened but they are also within their rights to just go on not being emotionally healthy right. I mean you can't do much about it. You can't force anything all right Jason. What's next hi J. team? I have a question about how to return to work from paternity leave especially with all the covert man this going on at the moment. I'm in my mid twenties and work as an IT project manager for a Fortune. Forty company was outstanding benefits. I've been on paid paternity leave for the last four weeks and I go back to my responsibilities in three weeks. Do you have any advice on how I should return specifically two things number one? I'm concerned about re ACCLIMATE TO THE WORKLOAD. In number two. Do you have advice on how I should thank my boss and team? I'm not allowed to check email or listen to phone calls by policy in. My coworkers aren't really allowed to fill me in on what's happening while I'm on. Leave aside from being prepared to work extra hard when I'm back. Is there anything you'd recommend? I have a good relationship with my boss. Although he's very hands off he calls me the rudder for my team in a good way and we really only interact for weekly touch points and if I WANNA present some options to him I worked directly really well with two other. Pm's who have thirty to forty years of experience on me these guys have been mentors for me and I'm grateful to work with them. In general what advice do you have for gifts or ways to thank my boss and my team for picking up the slack for me while I've been out I'd normally think to organize a happy hour? Bring donuts to the office or something of the like but seeing as we're all working remotely I'll need to get a little creative any advice you could give would be appreciated. Thanks again for everything. Signed just want to say thanks. Wow you're in your mid twenties and you're working with people thirty plus years older than you have all of this responsibility. That's amazing. First of all congrats on that. Good for you. And congratulations on the baby. Life is really going your way men. I know how that feels so. Just sit back and enjoy the rest of your time with your kid and the fact that you still have a job in this economy that seems to be your punching above your weight. I think even career wise so good for you for figuring this all out in your late twenties as for the workload. Don't even worry about this. You're be fine. Just make sure you have noise canceling headphones in a place to work where you won't be disturbed trust me. The noise cancelling headphones. That is voice of experience. Right here I make a joke like people go. Oh you know. How do you calm? You're down when he cries and I was like. Oh I just put in my nose cancelling headphones and it seems like he's fine after that which my wife doesn't love that joke at all for some reason why wonder why but now it's not really sure. I take care of them all the time but you. Sometimes you need to sit down and not be disturbed making sure you can work from home. Is One thing indefinitely? Check out our episode of the show in the article that we did on that willing to those in the show notes but working from home as a new dad is even harder again. I'm right there with you. So take it from me other than that. Don't even sweat the workload. You feel pretty out of touch right now. But I guarantee you'll be back in the swing and less than a week I've been there. That's how it goes for me and I think it's a great idea to thank your boss and thank the team. They'll appreciate it and I'm sure they're all happy for you right now. I mean they probably all have kids of their own family of their own at that age. Maybe send them donuts to their house instead of bringing them into the office. It'll be a little more expensive. You got to pay for shipping or delivery or whatever. But I'm sure somebody ships in delivers donuts depending on what city you're in Duncan Deliver Jason crispy cream might. Yeah there you go so send him some donors to their house with a note that says something like you can always still count on me to bring donuts to the office. Thanks so much for covering me when my daughter was born on. Never forget that kindness sincerely acts. That little gesture goes a long way. It says all the right things. I'm excited for you man. You've got a great life ahead of you from the sound of it and you're just getting started so congrats again on everything and don't sweat the workload. You're going to be fine. You got used to it once you'll get used to it again. And I guarantee you that the workload from work is going to be a welcome from the workload of focusing on a kid twenty four seven other. Now you get to do both all right next up. Hey guys what would you suggest a person do after they've built up a wide range of experiences? All my favorite authors comics in leaders growing up put a big emphasis on making sure together as many experiences as one can after doing that for over a decade in going through countless absurd situations. I've managed to become pretty decent a few vastly different skills. Would you suggest I try to combine these skills in some fashion or perhaps focus on trying to become world class in one in particular much love well rounded but not well-focused so this is kind of the definition of skill stacking you can build different skills to a certain proficiency? It's really really hard to become world class at anything. Even if you spend your entire life doing it it's very very difficult. So if you spend your time getting into the let's say. Top Twenty Five percentile or the twenty fifth percentile at any given skill. It can take just a few months years depending on the skill so it's much easier than becoming world class at something. This is because becoming world class takes a long long time beginning of the top. Twenty five percent doesn't necessarily take that long. So you can get to the top twenty fifth percentile in one area and then you're just like a whole lot of other people but if you get to the top twenty five percent in let's say five six different areas now you have a unique mix of skills that you are good at and that alone puts you in a very unique or possibly solo class in itself. So Scott Adams the guy who I have to credit for this particular idea. Because that's where I heard it I skill stacking his example. And I'm going to butcher at a little because I'm going off memory here. Scott Adams created Dilbert. So he says I'm not the best cartoonist in the world. I'm not the best humorous in the world. I'm not the best businessman or marketer in the world. But I'm in the top twenty fifth or so percentile somewhere of each of those things and then put together that makes him a good cartoonist. That's a good humorous. That's also really good at business and good at marketing that has provided a very nice living for him and so I would say. Don't try to become world class at any particular things starting right now. It's too much pressure. I don't. I'm not saying never tried to do that. But a lot of what looks like world class in one area is actually just skill stacking. So take this show for. Example is another example here in terms of podcasts. We're in the top one percent easily. I think we're in the top half percent or point one percent. I don't know I can't remember exactly. But certainly in the top one percent based on audience size but this show is a combination of Senator Jason. What do you think? Critical thinking skills conversational skills technical skills when it comes to audio digital marketing branding skills. There's other stuff in there right my forgetting anything obvious Not Really I think you covered them all okay. Lots and lots of different pieces. Put this show together to make it what it is. It's not just one thing. Oh in manage even managing Business business skills. I guess get throw that in there so but I'm nowhere near the top one percent when it comes to any one of those particular skills. I'm not the best broadcaster in the world. And not the best audio engineer. Not even close digital marketing branding management. Look I I'd be lucky to be passable. I got B Plus B plus in each of those areas but stacks together that B B plus on a good day skill set in many of these areas brings us to the very top of the heap in the world of podcasting. There's just not a whole lot of shows that do the same amount of business is our show does but I can either try to get world class and become the funniest comedian around. Then do a podcast based on that and then make a bunch of money or it could be one of the best interviewers ever in the whole world and then just pray that people find me because I had a twenty year career on NPR or something like that. But I didn't have time for that. And that's not the path that I took so he stacked the skills in many different areas and ended up with a very successful program here in on my trying to hone each of these skills. Yes but mostly I like to stack even more skills in there because as you get closer to the top percentile of anything. It gets much harder to advance. It's kind of like a video game. You know you get towards the last level and everything as a slog all the way through the end it just gets harder and harder and harder off fight right boss fight. Yeah but it's easier to get to level three out of eight in various different skills and then stack those together so I'm constantly learning things. Even now. I take voice lessons to make sure that I can talk longer and use more tonal range and be more engaging I read more so that I have better comprehension and better critical thinking skills conversational skills. There's all kinds of things I can throw into the mix and those even if I learned three four brand new skills up to the twenty fifth percentile. That's going to be a lot easier than bringing even one skill anywhere close to being in the top one percent or world class area of that particular skill. So the answer to this question is combine. Those skills for sure don't necessarily try to become world class in any one area in particular especially because if you become world class at something that is now obsolete that's exactly where I was gonna say it's like okay. I'm going to spend my life getting to be the best at this thing. And then what if that thing becomes not a thing the next day you're starting from scratch again? That is a very good point. Yes it's very true in fact if you're having trouble thinking of an example of where this might happen animation. There are a lot of people that really good animators and world class animators probably work for companies like Disney Pixar and things like that right of course but for the rest of the ninety nine point nine percent of animation work. That's out there so commercial stuff kinda general stuff. There's a lot of software that's getting ready. Damn good at creating a lot of this stuff now. Is it GONNA replace everyone? Not really but imagine the amount of work that used to go into hand-drawn sell movie called the animation cells. Or something like that. Yeah Yeah would you had to sort of hand shade each of these things that took months and months and months and years and years and years to create. Its up now. I believe you can do something like that in a matter of days. Just look at South Park versus the simpsons the simpsons sends off. You know rough sketches. They send him off overseas. They get back. Boxes and boxes of plastic did have characters drawn on them. But then you look at South Park. They do that. Show in seven days using software. So even if your world class at the simpsons you're still going to be you know putting the pieces together. It's one of those things where it's like. Yeah to be smart about it and I think I definitely believe personally as someone who is a skill stocker by choice. It's just the way to go because you can just get put out of business so easily right. It doesn't have you putting all your eggs in one basket. Additionally look if you became a top twenty five percent animator and you also got to do voiceover work and you could write the scripts and you do the storyboards and you can manage a group of animators and artists and you could do a bunch of other things that are relevant. You're still a good higher than for Disney right. You're still a good higher for those top performing animation houses because they need somebody who can do all these jobs pretty well. But if you're the best hand coded sell Schader in the whole world. You're probably unemployed right now. You're doing it as a hobby you're selling on. It's not a good look so stack those skills. You will eventually become world class at whatever the mixture is but I don't think becoming world class at any one of the ingredients unless you have a ridiculous amount of passion and talent for it is a good bet. We'll be right back with more feedback Friday right after this. This episode is also sponsored in part by hostgator. 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I'm twenty eight and have been out of university for a few years now. I have two degrees and technical subjects and work in cybersecurity. I'm based in the UK and have been interested in doing an Australian working holiday for a while now but the time never seemed right on a whim. I searched for Australian. Phd Funder Websites and put in cyber. There was one result a PhD in the area. I've spent the last few months writing a research paper on for my employer. I've toyed with the idea of doing a PhD for years. But I admit it's largely because it sounds cool and I like academia friends. I asked about their have mainly complained about the level of writing involved. But I've always enjoyed writing so that's not an issue for me. Plus being able to use the doctor title sounds cool. My main issue is if I should bother doing the St Niche area. Although it's an area of tech that will get more relevant over the next decade. If the paper I wrote for my employer is well received. I should already be reasonably authoritative on the subject. It's not like I need to be able to get a job in the field. I don't think I really need since I'm already employed and progressing in my career but spending three or four years being a student in Australia does sound cool plus it matters. I'm female. Male friends have commented that people in their field took them more seriously once they got their. Phd's perhaps I should do a PhD because it makes me sound more authoritative. Signed dreaming of Australia. I think it'll be a great opportunity to meet a new circle of people potentially higher caliber people and you'll likely be able to command a higher salary later so I think this is going to be a great opportunity for you. This does sound amazing and living in Australia for three or four years would be a life changing experience even if you just did that and you never got the PhD. I think it would totally be worth it. I'm not totally yeah. I'm not a downside side. Come on that'd be great. Yeah if you hate it. Dropped the program and if you like it you've got more earning potential and you get to make everyone call you doctor. Which is bad ass in? Its own right so I don't know J. Am I missing anything? No what am I missing. Here there's nothing dimiss here. I mean he's like go spend a few years Australia which is awesome maybe get a PhD. Maybe not but still like meet a bunch of cool people because Ozzy's rock and I don't see any downside whatsoever here go for it yet go get you a man with an accent or whatever you WANNA do. I just can't think of a reason not to get a PhD in this area. Maybe because the field moves so quickly you might lose out on some other experience. But I'd imagine that you're going to be staying up to date pretty well given that. You're getting a doctoral degree in that area. So yeah this this one. This is the easiest question we've gotten all month. Yes in Cyber security is just such an amazing field right now that you know coming back with a PhD and Cyber Dude. That's amazing and even if you don't you're still going to be at the top of your game which is what it sounds like already. So it's got a masters in cybersecurity hanging out in Australia. I'm it's like can I have your life because it sounds pretty. Awesome life pro tip of the week here. Look everyone's on these zoom calls. Now Mute Yourself. If you're not talking the organizers should be muting everyone but I noticed a ton of people are not doing this so every other video. Call I'm on is like it's a frigging concerto of mouth noise. Somebody eating farting cats dog noises. Kid noises trucks outside of three. Especially when you have like sixteen people in one of these. How many people do you need where somebody came home and the doorbell rang and the ups guys there in the garbage truck outside? It's so distracting yourself even if nobody else meets. But you do trust me. You're going to be really glad having an embarrassing sound on a video call. It's not quite as bad as the did you see the girl Jason who put the she went to the bathroom and brought the laptop in there. Put the laptop down facing her and it was just like ooh. You don't work from home a lot and she just everyone's like oh my gosh javed but you can't hear y'all man it was. I'm actually GONNA put a Lincoln. This show notes that I found over on slate called America's funniest videos. There's some gems in here like the woman who went to Do a call with the office and your husband is walking around naked behind her because so many good ones. Everybody's getting this wrong is great. Yeah so the other thing that you can do is make damn sure that you are facing the camera and then behind you as a wall if possible or at least make sure everybody knows. You're on a video call. I just willing to America's funniest videos. That's the pro tip because then you will at least know what can happen if you're not careful recommendation of the week Operation Odessa. This is on Netflix. I don't know how I found this. It was just sort of sitting around and I guess maybe it popped up. Somehow this amazing it's about this. Russian mobster a Cuban spy in this hustler from Miami walk into a bar dealership. It's ridiculous these guys start working with the drug cartels. They're doing small time Steph arms dealing all they work with the drug cartel and they come up with a plan to sell a Soviet submarine to a Colombian drug cartel for like thirty. Five million bucks seems like a good deal. It's a pretty good deal. And it's a whole well-documented mess. So they get the Russian mobster and the Cubans by and the Hustler from Miami. All to talk on camera yes so it's not like some narrator going through with photographic evidence from the FBI like all the guys are like and then we did this and then we did that because I guess either the statute of limitations For they already got caught for what they were going to get caught for. I don't know it's just absolute madness so operation Odessa. It's on Netflix. Hope you all enjoyed that. I WanNa thank everyone that wrote in this week. A link to the show notes for this episode can be found at Jordan Harbinger DOT com. We have the new website so please do let us know if you find any bugs on the website and if it's a bug that has not been reported yet we will mail you a five minute journal which is A. It's a journal that you do in the morning and the evening. It's really kind of a cool experience. My friend Fan of this. 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December 8, 2020 - Full Show

Chicago Tonight

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December 8, 2020 - Full Show

"Good evening and welcome to chicago tonight. I'm peres shots. And i'm brandon friedman on the show tonight ready on day one well president-elect biden symbols. His team congress is working on the next stimulus. Package is biden says moore. Becoming help is really right around the corner. Grown vaccine may soon be on. Its way the fda's vaccine advisory committee prepares to meet on what one member will. Be looking for from visors presentations. Even the cable companies are saying. We're going to give you some of your money back. Could help insurers be next. A new bill targets medicaid. Money chicago tonight. Has the exclusive story state has suffered under crop leadership giving voters more power by allowing them to recall elected officials miss going to gym class and miss the teachers how neighbors in different communities are stepping up to help students with remote learning for parents who can't work from home learn about our winter biking guides. That'll keep you cycling safely and comfortably year. Round and local plants shops with the green in greenery as their businesses blossomed during the pandemic. But first some of today's top stories another large gathering was shut down and wicker park this past weekend for violating cova related rules. The one hundred forty two person event was billed as the wicker loft and investigators found no social distancing or face coverings hit the hosts of the party with multiple citations for egregiously violating covid nineteen regulations as well as cease and desist. Orders for operating illegal. Unlicensed club officials. also hit lady alderman. Tom tunney with two citations for allowing diners to eat inside his restaurant and slather which defied a ban from the governor on indoor dining. He could face fines up to fifteen thousand dollars. The city says it has cited three hundred and forty four businesses for violating covid nineteen regulations since march illinois health officials. Confirm more than seventy nine hundred new cases of the coronavirus today. Plus one hundred and forty five deaths that brings the state to a total of more than eight hundred four thousand cases and thirteen thousand four hundred and eighty seven deaths. The state test positivity rate is eleven point eight percent and travelers and employees at o'hare and midway airports may soon have access to covid nineteen tests. The chicago department of aviation plans to start testing. Next week they'll provide both the pcr tests and the rapid test and similar to a clinic. You can provide insurance or pay. Cash test will be administered. Only to those who can show proof of airport. Employment have a ticket to fly within seventy two hours or flew into chicago. No more than five days earlier and now to paris with local members of congress paris brandis in the waning leaks. The lame duck session. Congress has working on the next covid stimulus bill as well as trying to avoid another government shutdown here to talk about that as well as vaccine distribution and the biden transition are congresswoman robin kelly. A democrat representing illinois's second district which includes parts of chicago's far southeast side in southern suburbs congressman raja krishnamoorthi a democrat representing illinois's eighth district and that includes elgin schaumburg and congressman brad schneider a democrat representing illinois's tense district which covers a portion of chicago's northern suburbs in cook and lake counties and schneider is a member of the bipartisan group caucus on that stimulus. Bill and congressman. Hey sues chewy garcia who represents illinois fourth district and that includes parts of the northwest and southwest sides of chicago. We invited every republican member of the illinois congressional delegation. None have accepted our invitation. But we do. Thank you all for joining us up. First congresswoman kelly illinois could get. Its first shipment of the pfizer vaccine next week. How many vaccines will the state get. And how long will this roll out last. I'm not sure how many i can't remember the number how many the state will gadd. But i know that we're one of the hugs to receive the vaccine. I was speaking with mayor life about it today. Actually as well as new york and to other places and congressman Krishnamoorthi report that. The president turned down. Pfizer's early offer to sell more than that. Initial hundred million batch of vaccines is that going to hurt distribution at all well. It's it's an unwelcome fact that we could have bought more vaccines to inoculate three hundred thirty million people. Instead we bought about one hundred million at the time and i've called for more transparency on the dealmaking surrounding the cobaine pandemic procurement by the trump administration. But now we're here and the incoming administration must invoke a tool that the trump administration repeatedly refused to do which is the defense production. Act that particular tool allows the president to command the production uncertain critical resources that are necessary for fighting in a crisis. Such as the one we're in right now and and so Using that We can scale up to the number of doses. We need because we got the entire population to get past this crisis several months. Let's listen to what President-elect biden said recently on the subject there is no detailed plan. We've seen anywhere as to how you get the vaccine out of a into an injection syringe into somebody's arm and it's going to be very difficult for that to be done and it's very expensive proposition. No what's that mean for. The prospects of majority the country getting vaccinated very simply as we need a supply chain control system. This is something that. I've been calling on for the administration going back to february. We've seen the consequences of this throughout the summer. And that's why it's so important that we put in place As as president-elect biden said a process to get the vaccine from the manufacturer to the distribution center My understanding is there's gonna be one hundred nine thousand doses coming to illinois in that first round twenty three thousand chicago directly eighty three thousand to a distribution center in peoria. But it's gotta go from the distribution center to the local communities to actual healthcare workers who can put those injections into people's arms and we're looking at video. Sorry congressman looking video from an injection here first of vaccinations in the uk. A congressman garcia. I wanna move toward these vermillion compromise proposal. That's out there. Direct payments to. Americans are not in that bill will that not make the final cut Cardis day we have not seen the details of what is in the nine hundred and eight million dollar. A billion dollar across each data is being used as a starting point in the conversation. But you know it's very clear that since the start of the pandemic people have received twelve hundred dollars while corporations got hundreds of millions and many large companies benefited through the payroll protection program so in illinois. We're getting ready to see. Potentially up to half a million people lose their unemployment benefits right. After christmas and nationally about sixteen and a half million people out could be out of a job as well and without unemployment benefits congressman schneider. You've been part of this Bipartisan problem solvers caucus to come up with this compromise. Where do negotiations stand right now for what we heard from. Senator mcconnell is he wants to get rid of the funding for state. Local governments and then republicans would give up the liability protections for corporations mcconnell's ignoring the fact that our state local governments are really struggling. They're in the position of of not filling positions Looking at laying off people coming in central services at a time where they're being expected to deliver the vaccine. We've got to support our local governments. Give them the resources to take care of their their residents our constituents in the midst of this pandemic the light is at the end of the tunnel. We see the vaccines coming. But it's gonna be a long tunnel. We need to make sure that the states out sold. We can't give up on that. We've been working on that. I was cares act. There was funding in the heroes. Act in may heroes to in september and here. We are in december cases spiking across the country and mitch. Mcconnell wants to let essentially our communities go bankrupt as he said before or stage go bankrupt and the people in those states suffer in the pandemic congresswoman kelly. Do you believe there will be a final agreement on at least a narrow stimulus bill before the biden administration takes hold i do. I'm an optimist. And i do believe that the problem solvers on the right track and they do have a good things in it. You know there is money right now with state and local government. There's money course locked business. The extensions that are needed as far as the fiction. Moratorium I don't think anybody a no matter where you represent. I'm not speaking of mitch. Mcconnell can be for him want to see people out on the streets. I mean it's the holiday season people don't have food into so many food distributions at i don't think members of congress or the senate wanna see people suffer To that degree they know that we absolutely have to do something congressman krishnamurthy's even if this does get passed most economists that we've talked to on both sides of the. I'll say it won't be enough to to keep from an economic slide. So what would an additional stimulus Administration half to look like and what could get passed in congress to you believe you're correct about ten million people. Unemployed and in illinois alone are restaurants Fifty percent of restaurants are gonna close in six months. If they don't get additional aid. I think under an incoming buying an administration if we can get a smaller stimulus package passed now. I think what we're going to need is we're going to need again. Continued unemployment benefits. We're going to need continued payroll protection program money. Ppp money for small businesses. But we need direct checks to families. This is essential. We have to remember that a lot of these folks are seeing increased expenses right now at the very time that we're seeing soft economy for instance. A lot of people are having to take care of their children at home or figure out ways to deal with childcare expenses that they didn't anticipate because our schools closed so these are the types of things. We have to be very practical about right now because we need to open up the economy even at the same time. We're back stating the population. And we gotta get past this economic crisis. We cannot deliver a lump of coal around the holidays for the american people. All right and there was a direct checks to individuals again. Not part of the negotiation. So far we're have to leave it there right now and again. We invited every republican member of the illinois congressional delegation. None accepted our invitation will be joined again by these members of congress a little later in the program to discuss defense dhaka and the failure of most republicans to recognize president. Elect biden has the election winner. But for now. Our thanks to congressman. Kelly krishnamurthy's schneider and garcia and now fill and a member of the fda's vaccine advisory committee phil paris's. We heard earlier. The united kingdom began distributing pfizer's coronavirus vaccine to citizens today and the us may soon follow the food and drug administration released documents today confirming pfizer's data finding the vaccine to meet standards for emergency use authorization and fda advisory committee will meet on thursday to discuss the data and their recommendations and the agency's decision on whether to grant authorisation is expected within days of that meeting joining us on what to look for during thursday's meeting. Dr are shanna chatterjee chatterjee. She serves on the fda's vaccines and related biological products advisory committee and she's the dean of the chicago medical school at rosalind franklin university of medicine and science in north chicago. Dr chatterjee thank you so much for joining us first of all. Could you briefly describe what your committee does. Does i imagine. It's not a committee that a lot of people have heard about. That's true phil. We interview data submitted by the sponsors. Which is the vaccine manufacturers a evaluate the efficacy and safety of The trial data that the trial data show and then make recommendations after discussion and voting make recommendations to the fda on whether to approve or not approve of the vaccine licensure or approval in this case and also whether there are additional studies needed etcetera. My understanding is that members of this committee have to fill out a conflict of interest form. Is that well. You want to make sure that this advisory committee which is composed of experts in the field of analogy ethics immunology at several are completely independent of the process of the development of these products and so in order to ensure that independence. Gunfight of interest has to review carefully as we mentioned today. The fda reported that their own scientists found the vaccine to be safe and effective. Why is it necessary for your committee to weigh in. I think it's very odd. At first our committee has been in existence of this specific sleep apnea many decades before before combing ever came along and the bitty is charged with reviewing independently reviewing it that are submitted by the manufacturers of the committee. Is billy to be independent of the actors but also of the government and particularly this year end with the cohen. Vaccines all of the concerns. That have been raised around. You know influence from the government in trying to move these vaccines long in development ending. It's particularly important that our committee is seen as the independent group that it is of a vaccine immunologists other experts as well as a community member who sits on our committee to ensure that independence. So your committee meets on thursday. Let's say that you approve it. What happens next. We don't actually approved. We recommend approval to the fda. The fda has publicly stated that they will accept our recommendations We will also perhaps make recommendations for additional studies and that may be needed or additional data. That may be needed. The fda takes all of that inflammation and abuse. It will make the decision based on those recommendations that we make and then away dr as you know there are concerns that this whole process has been so expedited not just the development of the vaccine but the approval process. Some people are concerned about that. Your response i would say we are in an extraordinary time. I don't think this is overstating it There is a pandemic that is impacting around the globe having a devastating effect on health systems on people's lives and livelihoods and there are literally people getting sick and dying every minute of the day so we are faced with a true of held isis mobile portions in the face of that. We have to look at what we can do to this pandemic and public health measures that have been put in place you know for many months now and had mixed impact in some areas have been very effective than others not as much So the next step then in controlling this is to try to develop a vaccine and it is true that the development effort has moved forward at a very rapid as as has the approval mechanism. however it's important to note the steps in in that process have for the most part been followed. There are some steps that are different with this emergency use authorization mechanism as opposed to a biologic pleasant application. Which is the usual way. That vaccines are licensed. That's really the the primary difference in terms of the process shattered chatterjee. Thank you so much for this update and good luck on good. Look at your meeting on thursday very much appreciate it. Thank you very much and up next to chicago. Tonight exclusive details on a proposal aimed at getting billions of tax dollars back from insurance companies. So stay with us. Coverage of science and technology on chicago tonight is made possible in part by joel m friedman president of the elven h-bomb family fund. It's no secret that illinois is having major budget difficulties due partly to the covid nineteen pandemic illinois pays billions of dollars into the state and federally funded medicaid program covering more than two million residents. Chicago tonight has learned exclusively that a group of lawmakers plans to demand billions of dollars back from private healthcare companies that run illinois medicaid program. Paris is back with more on that story. Paris brand is this is a proposal that couldn't at three billion dollars into state tax coffers so what some lawmakers are seeing is that it's time for private health insurance companies that have seen big profits and co since cova began to make sacrifices for state tax payers and to put this in perspective brandis illinois gives billions of dollars as you mentioned to managed care organizations to run the medicaid program and that is the health insurance that covers as you mentioned about two million low income state residents now a state senator and representative plan to file a bill tomorrow in the illinois general assembly that would in effect give the state the ability to claw back twenty percent of that money from these organizations during a disaster declaration which illinois is under right now. Governor pritzker did declared disaster for cogan march ninth and the provision in. This money is to re in this. Bill is to redirect that money from the insurance companies to critical care and safety net hospitals like mercy hospital in brownsville. That are in danger of closing because of underfunding now democratic state representative fred. Crespo says he believes these. Healthcare companies can't afford to give back. Hospitals have been doing a services that they normally do. Let the surgery. Doctors at night opened their offices so costs had gone out so the plan here to say he. We should at least take back. Twenty percent. other prophets redirect back other medicaid expenses. They could stay has so. We're take twenty percent of the profits from these organizations. Here are the companies that run medicaid managed care in illinois. Most of them are private. Healthcare companies like meridian. They enroll about eight hundred thousand Enroll ease blue cross blue shield about three hundred ninety one thousand and then there's county care which is actually run by the cook county health system and then on down the line you see there known the second quarter of twenty twenty alone. The parent company blue cross blue shield saw two billion dollars in profits doubled. It perform its performance from last year. So peoria state. Senator dave taylor says health. Insurers should follow the lead of other companies and other industries that have offered rebates in this pandemic take the auto insurance industry. They're giving rebates back to their customers because people just aren't driving as much are we see that Property and casualty. Insurers are doing the same thing even the cable companies are saying. We're going to give you some of your money back You know you're the phone companies. There's a lot of industries that have already sept- The pattern for this to say. Hey let's help people out. During a pandemic in perez. Kansas state legally just demand this money back from the insurance companies. Even if they're contracted to pay certain amount well these lawmakers believe they can if it becomes law and the governor signed this bill. Although they wouldn't be surprised they say if these insurance companies decided to sue and say well we have a contract. It's supposed to pay a certain amount Disaster declaration or not and meanwhile the ceo of the illinois association of medicaid providers. Say they oppose this plan and say there are already provision to give states the illinois. The money back should there be fewer insurance claims or should cost go up and health care. Costs decrease significantly there is already provision in the contract where the health plans would return dollars to the state on the they could use to Invest in education or other funding sources but to be really clear perez. We're not seen decreasing utilization and we're not seeing a decrease in healthcare costs to the level. You know anywhere near twenty percent pierce. Is it unusual that illinois basically outsources oldest medicaid to private companies. Like this was. It's an evolution. That's happened brand over the last ten years or so. It's the cavs that some lawmakers want to open some don't want open With the state used to provide a more traditional medicaid service where it's fee for service and the state runs it under governor quinn and then under governor rounder. It moved to this current model where it pays a lump sum to these organizations to run an hmo style plan for the medicaid recipients and it has been met with controversy a twenty eighteen state inspector general audit found that the state was not keeping track of billions of dollars it gave to these companies didn't track. How much was paid out for claims. It didn't track what claims were denied. And it didn't track administrative costs among others. No brass last year. According to numbers from the state controller's office illinois paid sixteen billion dollars to these managed care organizations on track to do that a little bit less than that this year but if that holds up that means under this proposal the state could see three billion dollars or more come back into state tax. Coffers gray exclusive reporting from parachutes. Thank you for the last three months of this school year. Chicago public school parents have had to cobble together. A variety of ways to be sure their kids are participating in remote learning for many. It means juggling working from home while also being their child's teacher but for those who cannot work from home there are few options revisited. A couple of those options community organizations providing families with remote learning. Help meet manny johnson. He's cheeks full of personality and learning spanish does could collect negotiate or whoever. Da's the six year old is in kindergarten at whittier dual language magnet school near pilsen but instead of attending classes in the school. He's learning remotely along with three hundred and forty one thousand other chicago public school students. Jada humphry is in seventh grade at learn eight middle. School and time is not going to be a lot of people at home. And i could stay home. I myself so they just want me to come here. I like coming here. Here is at breakthrough urban ministries student achievement program. The typical after school program has been expanded to include daytime remote learning support for sixty students grouped into pods of ten in this second and third grade classroom. Teachers are juggling schedules from six different elementary schools and ten different teachers associate director on a piper says her has become a go-between for schools and families are teachers here. Communicate with the teachers on a daily basis Asking okay it's their turned into to get it. Sorry they're running late and just kind of checking in with teacher to make sure everything is okay on their end. Piper says in the days of remote learning students struggled social emotionally with the adjustment almost like shorter fuses. Kids were getting irritated. Quicker and crying faster and just having a shorter span to deal with difficult things or to have stamina to make it through the day. Many of the students parents are essential workers. As the case in auburn gresham where community activists taymor manasseh converted old shipping containers into the mask on the block academy to support students and families foam the instacart drivers you had. The uber eats delivery people. You have the people stock the shelves at mario's and walgreens and so now they're faced with either. They don't lower neighbors their jobs or they re the kids home alone. That's i mean that's an what kind of choices that manasseh fears a widening of the achievement. Gap that already exists between black and brown students and white students in cps cps leadership points to that expanding gap as it rolls out plans to reopen schools. First quarter data from the district shows. Attendance among black students dropped by five percent. Compared to the district wide two point nine percent the most of any ethnic group and black and latino students saw the largest increase in failing grades from two point three percent of black elementary students last year to six point six percent this year for latino students an increase from two point one to five point two percent manasseh fears one crisis but getting another. Kobe has created and astronomical down in healthcare prices down right but on the other side of this educational crisis unlike anything as ever seen before now despite objections from the chicago teachers union. Cps is pushing ahead with plans to phase in a reopening of schools in early january families had until yesterday tell the district whether they intend to return. There's no word yet from the district on when it will have a final count of how many students opted in and we still have much more to come on chicago tonight. Let's see if they have the courage. What illinois congress members think about president trump's relentless campaign pushing republicans to dispute the election results should illinois allow re officials to be recalled from office. A look at giving voters more power by allowing them to recall elected officials. Planning to ride your bike for the first time this winter we'll have recommendations on essential gear and bike maintenance and talk about growth industries sales of house. Plants at local shops are flourishing as people have more time to spend caring for them at home but i more today's top stories. Illinois officials. say the first shipment of covid nineteen vaccine will be coming next week. We are expecting that scene next week. And then we expect vaccine every week after and again depending on which vaccines are approved. We may be looking at pfizer. Initially but hopefully other vaccines will be coming on. We know that the fda is already evaluating for them during vaccine. So it's hard you know. We have numbers but we're waiting to see approvals and waiting to see like finalize numbers which may not be finalized till closer to the time but we are very much looking forward to weekly allocations vaccine to come to the people of illinois officials are expecting one hundred and nine thousand pfizer vaccines to be shipped for the first week after its approval in addition more than seventy nine hundred new cases of the coronavirus today. Plus one hundred and forty five deaths. This brings the state to a total of more than eight hundred. Four thousand cases and thirteen thousand four hundred eighty seven deaths diners in chicago will have a new fee to pay if they use door dash. The company is charging customers a dollar and fifty cents on delivery. Orders in protests over a recent city council decision that limits fees to fifteen percent of the total bill during the pandemic the decision to limit the fees was seen as a way to help restaurants that have been struggling financially door. Dash and other companies have typically charged restaurants twenty five to thirty percent commissions on deliveries and now back to paris with more from members of congress on their reaction to president. Trump's campaign to dispute election results peres brennan earlier in the program. We discussed the next federal stimulus and now joining us. Once again. Our congressman robin. Kelly roger cruz northey brad schneider and chewy garcia. We invited every republican member of the illinois delegation but none accepted our invitation. We are glad that you for here with us So let's talk about Some security funding the national defense authorization. Act the bill that funds military bases pays troops overseas. The president has threatened to veto it. congressman chris. Northey is there a veto proof. Majority here should the president make good on that promise. I think so. And i think that is for vetoing it or appalling and i don't think anybody is going to stand for them. You know. I think that our efforts to remove racism. Unfortunately that marks you even aspects of our Our united states military and armed forces are really important right now more than ever and i think. There's a big bipartisan supermajority. In favor of that and you're referring to the aspect in this bill that would rename military bases named after confederates congresswoman kelly. The trump administration is blocking the pentagon including the defense intelligence agency. The national security agency from meeting with biden's intelligence team reportedly. Are you concerned about how this transition is going right now. With respect to defense very concerned even though there are some things that are happening By and his team are behind because of Trump ninety recognizing still That he wants yes. I am concerned. I oftentimes references made about Bush and nine one how that held up things and caused some problems. We don't want the same thing to happen with. The president elect biden. But now i'm very concerned all right Congressman congressman garcia. Let's move over to another issue in the news. A federal judge recently ruled that The acting homeland security chief did not have the authority to prevent Daca recipients from applying and getting status. What does that mean for the millions of children of undocumented immigrants in the us right now that are concerned about their status and congressman. I think you're mute. We have to new. You is the tenth anniversary when immigrant you'd organize and push congress to pass the dream act. That happened in the senate. It didn't happen in the house but this week. Dhs announced that it will begin. Accepting new dot guy out the -cations the first time since two thousand seventeen thousands of young people have been waiting in limbo forward three years to access this program living in fear of deportation. And what future they may have. The court ruling is an important victory but yet another reminder of the need for permanent legislative solution. It's a first step and it's needed. But biden harris administration cannot stop there. They must address the rampant in cruel enforcement rates in our neighborhoods the reunification of separated children the trump white house and of course the needed access to social safety nets that undocumented immigrants desperately need especially independent pandemics especially with respect to access to the vaccine and to that effect a congressman schneider. The biden harris administration has promised action on immigration in. Its first one hundred days. What realistically will an immigration proposal. Look like in the next congress and under the next administration what. I can do something that can to. The comprehensive immigration reform passed the senate two thousand thirteen with sixty eight votes I helped introduce that bill in the house in two thousand thirteen hundred. Eighty cosponsors I think we can get broad support for that. If it will be allowed to come for a vote. I don't come in the house. It depends what A mcconnell will in the senate but we desperately need immigration reform Choice said we that daca ruling confidence to those hundreds of thousands of young people some not so young to finish school finish the military military service and are now integrated in our workforce in some cases evening leading companies or divisions a part of our economy. We need immigration reform for condominium communities and we need for the people who live in. Those communities are congressman that christian worth they want to get back to this strange transition process. Looks like only one of your republican colleagues. In illinois congressman. Adam kindergarten has formally recognized Biden as the president elect. And you have some of your. Gop colleagues openly talking about challenging the electoral college vote on january six. When it comes to congress just curious your reaction to all these baseless claims and this process that just continues to be drawn out. It's disgraceful. I can't think of another word You know regardless of who the president has been in the past whether it was a democrat or a republican the The predecessor was very graceful. And making sure that there was a smooth transition for his successor and in this case. That's not the that's not the fact and what we face because of that are increased risk on the national security fronts As we alluded to before but also of trust in our democratic system. I'm and i think when we tell the rest of the world that they should adopt a democratic form of government but here we have a lot of people who are questioning and indeed attacking fellow. Republicans were certifying elections left and right state after state. I think it does hurt our democracy but it also hurts our image around the world and congresswoman. Kelly me hear all these stories of folks saying off the record or closed doors. Many republicans acknowledged the victory Do you hear stuff like that from your colleagues to explain to you why this is happening honestly. I have not heard that for my colleagues. I'm extremely disappointed in my republican colleagues. That they're not speaking of. But actually that's what we've been dealing with the last four years very few of spoken up of what they know is the right thing to do. They've just gone along with the trump program. And that's what they're doing right now. It's it's it's embarrassing. Frankly all right. It may help explain how why none of our counterparts across the aisle agreed to be on the show tonight. The washington post tried to contact many republicans Many turn them down. We have to leave it there so much to get to but our thanks tonight congresswoman robin kelly raja krishnamoorthi brad schneider and hey chewy garcia thank you thank you thank you. And they'll brandis we go back to you perez thank you. Are you tired of politics as usual. A pair of lawmakers say there is a way to keep officials on their toes allowing voters to recall them and he joins us now to explain. Amanda brenda's illuminate actually already does have the ability to recall at least a one elected official mid-term now to annoy governor voters in two thousand ten approved an amendment to the constitution that gives a pathway to recall a sitting governor it was at the urging of then governor pat quinn who taken over. After his predecessor rod blagojevich was arrested in june then removed from office but state senator. Jason berkman says that recall provision is basically toothless. It's in name only no one would be able to use it. It's nearly impossible to us. So we're change. We're proposing to change that here again but quip citizens with the tools they need. Told public officials accountable. The recall process only had no is complicated. It requires a significant number of illinois's electric to sign on in voters must have what critics have called a permission slip. It has to be signed off on by a bipartisan group of sitting state representatives and senators. Now send berkman and representative mark. Batson of plainfield both republicans say they want to make it easier and may also want to change the constitution to allow for all other statewide elected officials to be recalled as well as all state legislators and local officials that nick says he can think of situations at every level of government where there's corruption but he says what's going on now with illinois house speaker. Michael madigan is most salient. The politicians need to start looking over their shoulder a little bit. And when you have somebody. The speaker literally is not accountable to very to to the people the statement people. That has a lot of control over. I think that's a problem. So this recall process at least gives the the voters in the citizens of illinois a tool to change direction of state government when it's controlled by by somebody like speaker madigan whether it be now or in the future. We know the broad parameters of the process that they want to move to but it is still unclear how this would actually work whether it is legal ruling. It's unlikely it's ever going to get to that point. Lawmakers notoriously reticent to pass any sort of measure that could imperil their own political futures plus illinois gubernatorial recall provision was designed to be strict and narrow so that it wouldn't be too easy to throw government upheaval or to provide enticement for officials to power to popular public opinion during hard times. Like now all there are those who believe that governor. Gb pritzker his done a commendable job navigating illinois through the coronavirus pandemic others are furious about the heavy hand that he has taken in the restrictions that he's imposed order recently asked a question at one of pritzker. Daily corona virus briefings about whether his job is in jeopardy. You recently talked about midwest governors and now. The governor of ohio is facing possible impeachment because of orders similar to yours. How close are you to being impeached. Is that a real question. I don't know how to answer that. I look You know have a strong approval rating in the state. I think i've done a good job. I know that there are people who run around every day. Trying to file lawsuits of the snake. Oil salesman that we've talked about before And trying to gin up opposition to our effort to fight covid nineteen. And all i can say is that we're doing the right thing. The courts have affirmed the things that we're doing now bergman and back next say that their plan is designed so recall would be possible but it would still be hard to do so they wouldn't be triggered triggered by anything trivial. There would have to be real abuse now. i did reach out to speaker. Madigan's spokesperson said having not seen the proposed language. He can't comment on. The new recall. Plan but in the past madigan has been disdainful of a somewhat related effort. And that is former governor. Bruce rounders plan to institute term limits on legislators madigan his said that term limits already exist. They're called elections act brandis. Amanda thank you coming up a guide to navigating chicago on a bike this winter season. But i look at the weather. Get past the idea of turning into a political topic it really gives us so communities. That's something i could get behind. Maybe we can use it as a calling car for unite still ahead a guy to winter biking in chicago but i wanna take a couple of minutes to talk about how important you are to. Wtt w chicago night was created for people like you who want to stay engaged in our community through balanced inclusive journalism. And tonight. we're asking for your help to support this critical source of information by contributing to the new w w fund for independent news. The fund supports all of our w. 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Thank you so much for your support and now to brandis in details on another way to get around town this winter brandis peres thank you. The kobe endemic has driven a huge increase in bicycling for exercise recreation and a way to get around without taking transit so far this year. The weather has been relatively mild. But if you're thinking about biking through chicago winter for the first time. It might sound like a daunting task. Fortunately are resident cyclist. Nick bloomberg put together an online guide to win biking in chicago which you can find on our website. And he's here now to take us through what nick. What can people find in. This guide will brand us. I talked to several cyclists who are even more avid than i am and they all told me that like a lot of outdoor activities during a chicago. Winter biking is doable with some preparation. And the right mindset. Now the guy that's on our website is broken up into four sections. The first one covers bike gear so no matter the time of year. Having good lights is really important especially in the winter though with shorter days and the potential for icy or snowy roads. Another recommendation was fenders for your bike tires. That'll keep the snow and sludge. And debris from kicking up at you while you ride. Some cyclists also change out their tires for the winter to get some improved traction in suggestions on where people can find the best gear. Yeah well one of the folks. I spoke with was the founder of lake ling uprising. It's a crowd source database bike lane obstructions. They've also put together a winter gear guy. This is stuff cyclists actually use and think is worth your money and the guides also got tips. If you're on a budget so you shouldn't have to spend a ton of money if you wanna ride during the winter. They've also got a holiday gift guide by the way in case. You haven't figured out what you're buying right up and if you'd rather not invest in winter gear another recommendation is that you can use the bike share system instead so that way. You don't have to worry about the maintenance and they're fairly heavy bikes so they might make it easier to handle snowy streets than if you're on a lighter road bike and if you are writing your own by what can you do to take care of it. You have a winter. Weather can be really tough on your bike. Snow in the celtics just eats away at the components. So one simple step is to wipe everything down after you ride. I also spoke with a bike mechanic. Who recommended storing your bike inside. If you can. But that's not feasible for everyone so you can also just try keeping it covered with a tarp or something if you lock it outside so so far. We've been talking about the bike. What about the writer. Absolutely that's the third section of the guide what you need a particularly to stay warm. Everybody knows i hope how important it is to layer during the winter. Vikings no exception. But if you ride for any significant length of time you're likely to warm up and everybody's hot and cold spots or different all the folks. I talked with agreed. You've got to keep your feet in your hands. Warm so warm socks good gloves or mittens actually like to layer my gloves so like a thinner athletic pair under some heavier gloves. I also learned about bar mitzvah. They're basically mittens. You put right on the handlebar an another cyclist recommended. A bollock lava to keep your face. Warm okay so if folks are planning to ride what special techniques should they know about for writing in the winter we cover that in the final section of the guide what you need to know to bike safely. The biggest piece of advice there is. Take it slow. It's especially important if you're just starting out go slowly in particular if it's snowy or icy be really careful using your brakes. It's just like when you're driving a car. If you start to skid don't slam on the brakes that'll make things much worse and another big theme was to practice maybe on a day where you don't have somewhere important to be and take your time be comfortable learning as you go. Nobody's born expert. You don't have to impress anyone or be good at winter. Biking right away so take it at whatever pace is comfortable for you. You were born an expert nick. All right be safe out there. Thank you so much. Good information slumbered and make sure to read our full guide a winter biking in chicago on our website with the prospect of a long dreary winter at home ahead. Many chicagoans have begun adding some life to their abodes with houseplants w. t. w. news director and host of chicago tonight. Latino voices ugo balta dropped by say aloe at some local plant stories to see how business was growing in the chaos that has characterized twenty twenty therapists and artists. Shem parker says her burgeoning collection of house plants has become more to her than just home decor for me. A lot of the pandemic has been learning how to care for myself better slowing down and taking care of plants. Every morning has been a part of my routine that has been really really important to me And has helped me to really just to slow down and focus on the plant's growth and my growth at the same time. This is a polka also known as a money plant. This was really like the star of my buying plans for this season. I went from probably having ten plants last year in to having over sixty plants now. According to nyc of on owner of plants alone noble square parker is not alone in her desire to bring a little or a lot of nature indoors during the pandemic one of the things i noticed when we first opened and there was such an influx of new plant parents in there so many once was we live in a city. We have a lot of apartments with odd lighting situations and people would come in so excited and then they would say. I have one route one window in my room. And you're like okay and so you would show them plants. That really can meet those needs. The wrong was already a small business owner. When the pandemic began beauty was her business not begonias. When the shutdown started she feared her thriving bridal makeup studio would die on the vine but enough people had shown interest in involves private plant collection at the shop that she decided the time was ripe for a change may twenty twenty it kind of hit home. How long the new normal might last. And the shutdown and everything especially for the wedding business and the beauty side. It was such a double whammy and i think because i already felt comfortable running a small business and i kind of had those resources that pivoting and starting to look at. Okay what does it mean. I'm selling beauty product. What does it mean to sell plant product. We moved very quickly and the community was ready for more points. And volun- says that shared enthusiasm has helped the plant salon flourish in its first year. Not just buying a planet a plant. It's you have like an entire community of people becoming plant parents together for the first time across town in the medical district teacher. Ilaria dominguez says his interest in house plants also blossom during the pandemic at the start of the pandemic. I really made it a goal to figure out how you can get grounded for the summer. You know and that kind of led me to trying to figure out how i can garden at my own home. It's such a healing process. Taking care of plants really requires so much of you so much patience And and so much openness dominguez says when he began creating his home eden he found support for his new hobby in unlined plant communities popping the plant community as tocado. general is beautiful It's such a connected. Such a helpful community he discovered plant shop chicago. North side mayfair neighborhood through those communities. Co-owners as gamez in one casado say the pandemic unexpectedly created fertile ground for their business to thrive online at the beginning. You know everything's closing down. We have to close down in idea of just moving all of that online and doing it virtually came about and i think at the time. We were one of the few people to be doing that to offer. Online's our plants online locally and deliver them as well and offer curbside pickup very much like Like a restaurant would do you know kind of just took off from there. There was a tight community and it wasn't just like there was more than people just going on the hope for any like big box store and just like mine plant. There is like the community where like people were into certain. Plant and as the uptick in sales gives gamez and cassava some peace of mind about the health of their business. They say their customers are reporting an uptick in their mental health. To a lot of the times we've seen these little notes for you know that they will just telling us. Thank you for being here and providing the service has now have something to do at home and it just kinda keeps my mind everything that's going on and just something as small as that. I feel like it's a huge huge change in for a lot of help for chicago tonight. We'll go and we'll have more on the house plant craze in the coming weeks on our weekend. Show chicago tonight. Latino voices and black voices so if you should look out for that. Saturdays and sundays at six pm. And that's our show for this tuesday night don't forget to stay connected with us by signing up for our daily briefing and you can get chicago. Tonight streamed facebook youtube and our website. Wt w dot com slash new. You can also get the show via podcast and the pbs video app. Please join us tomorrow. Night live at seven now for all of us here at chicago. Tonight i'm brandon. Friedman anna perez shuts. Thank you so much for watching. Stay healthy and safe and good night. closed captioning for this program is made possible by robert a clifford and clifford law offices pleased to give back to the community through numerous charitable initiatives.

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