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Mitch McConnell tries to end investigations of the President and Elizabeth Warren persists

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Mitch McConnell tries to end investigations of the President and Elizabeth Warren persists

"Tonight on all in. We took a dose not to try to protect Donald Trump. We took an oath to protect the Khan and serve the constitution. Mitch McConnell tries to end investigations of the president. And Elizabeth Warren persists the way we do that is we begin impeachment proceedings now against this president tonight Senator Elizabeth Warren on her resounding call for impeachment on the Senate floor bus, the leader of Democrats in the Senate Chuck Schumer on their strategy for Republican obstruction. Of course, he wants to move on. He wants to cover up. Then Senator Chris Murphy on the Trump administration's escalation with Iran and Senator John tester on the growing fears of a full-blown trade war with China. These terrorists Marcus of risks and all in starts right now. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris as is a big night of breaking news and a big night here on all in. We will be joined tonight by four different US, senators was Warren, Chris Murphy, Jon tester and their leader. In the Senate Chuck Schumer all join me tonight. We also have breaking news just moments ago from the New York Times about President Trump's massive. And I mean, truly staggering financial losses as businessman, but I the president and his administration are currently attempting to destroy the capacity of congress to do what it needs to do to preserve American checks and balances think of it this way, if in the thick of Watergate Republicans have the majority in the Senate, and we're just like, well, whatever we're just gonna power through. And they backed the president when he said, no, you're not getting anything. No. I'm not turning over those tapes. No, no, no. That's a Kim to exactly where we are headed right now, the Nixon administration fell apart because political support from Republicans evaporate. But the political supported stayed there. This is what it would have looked like the Trump administration is testing the fence they are poking and prodding to see what they can get away with. And they're going to keep pushing on everything until something stops that despite the clear direction, the law plain as day black and white and text under US statute passed after a tremendous presidential scandal a corruption scandal mind, you the Trump administration is currently refusing to hand over the president's tax returns. They're also making this weird too clever by half assertion that Don Mcgann can't comply with a congressional subpoena. They're blowing off a formal subpoena DOJ to turn over the full unredacted moolah report, and they're now toying with blocking Muller from testifying as well all at all in mounts to nothing short of a full-scale assault on congressmens to instigate, a kind of constitutional crisis whereby Trump can essentially route his competing power. Meanwhile, Republican members of congress rather than defending their institutional prerogative are. Co conspirators in all of this. They are working to destroy their own branch of government from the inside. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell got up today and declared the rush investigation case closed while he was saying that Facebook was delisting more Russian trolls who allied just coincidentally are pumping up the latest conspiracy theory about Joe Biden that's being pushed by Rudy Giuliani. Same time FBI director, Chris Wray is telling congress the divisiveness spread through social media has been fairly unique to the Russians this all while the president in front of all of us sends big wet air kisses, Vladimir Putin. They're doing it out. Neil again. The question is are Democrats up to the moment to basically, meet constitutional fire with constitutional fire? There's a fundamental principle question about the nature of the American Republic. One of the few Democrats has been willing to call has been calling to meet Trump head on his Senator Elizabeth Warren who followed Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor this morning read from the mole report from nearly forty minutes. And basically said this is it guys. If any other human being in this country had done what's documented in the Muller report. They would be arrested and put in jail. The majority leader doesn't want us to consider the mountain of evidence against the president. That is wrong. This is not a fight. I wanted to take on. But this is the fight in front of us. Now, this is not about politics. This is about the constitution of the United States of America. We took an oath not to try to protect Donald Trump. We took an oath to protect the cotton and serve the constitution of the United States of America. And the way we do that is we begin impeachment proceedings now against this president and Senator Elizabeth Warren democrat from Massachusetts and twenty twenty presidential candidate joins me. Now, Senator you spent about forty minutes a day on the floor of the Senate reading. Portions of the mole report. Why did you do that? Well, I wake up this morning saying let's go to the floor and talk about the Muller report. But let's keep in mind niche McConnell came in and just kept saying, no, no, no everything's over case closed. We're done. And no, we're not, you know, when the Muller report came out, I said down to start to read it. I read all day into the night into the wee hours of the morning and finished up the next day. And after I finished four hundred and forty eight pages, I realized three things I mean that we're just unmistakable in that report part one a hostile foreign government attacked are twenty sixteen elections in order to help Donald Trump get elected part to Donald Trump as a candidate welcomed that help and part three when our federal government tried to investigate parts one and two Donald Trump did everything. He could to derailed push aside. And otherwise obstruct that investigation and Muller makes these facts absolutely clear in his report. It is pretty clear when you read it that the only reason as I read it that he did not actually bring an indictment because he clearly has all the facts is he was following the Justice department of the Trump administration saying a sitting president cannot be criminally indicted. But he served up on a silver platter, all of those facts to the United States Congress because in a constitutional system with checks and balances it's up to congress to make sure that the president is not above the law. So when Mitch McConnell today took to the floor and said case over case over we're done. No, we are not. That's no, it's time. To stand up and say, so we'll here's here's my question. I mean, the in terms of what what next right? I mean, there is this very intense debate happening, and you can see happening publicly in an almost kind of agonizing fashion with your colleagues in the house about what to do about this. Right. What's what are the next steps? You have. I think if I'm not mistaken said impeachment proceedings should begin. Yes. What do you say? To people say that's politically dangerous public opinions running like fifty six to thirty eight opposed to impeachment proceedings and you're walking into a trap. There is no political convenience exception to the constitution of the United States of America. It there's some things that are bigger than politics. And this one is a point of principle, if the United States, Congress fails to step up when they've been handed facts, like the facts handed to us in the Muller report. Then that changes the relationship between the president and the congress not just for nail. But for the next president and the next president and the next president. I'm wondering two you're someone who has studied written about looked at the ways in which people in institutions empower can get away with a lot. Yeah. And not be held accountable. We saw this happen with financial institutions. It's something that you've documented has been through on your work. I wonder if you see a connection ultimately between that and what what we're sort of faced with now as a country. Absolutely. You know, because this really is about accountability the constitution of the United States provided for separation of powers. So that congress just you use the words could hold the president at countable, if he did something like this obstructed Justice and the facts in front of us in the Muller report are clear more than six hundred federal prosecutors, Republicans and Democrats people from urban areas and rural areas people from all. Across the country looked at this and said if he were anyone other than president of the United States, what is shown in the Muller report is enough for a criminal indictment. That means it comes to congress, and we can't play politics here. We have to step up and say, the president is accountable. No more can't do this. There are some take the view. I believe Senator Amy klobuchar from not mistaken, she on my program talking about this that because the way impeachment works right impeachment is a majority vote in the house at then goes to the Senate for removal where it's a two thirds vote. That Senate is the kind of jury essentially, right. The houses essentially like an indictment in the center of the jury, and as such should sort of stay arm's length for making determinations on the merits about the president's conduct. What do you think of that idea? Are you out ahead of things if you're saying right now impeachment proceedings should begin look the impeachment proceedings should begin in the house, obviously, that's. What's provided under the constitution? But we got to stand up somebody does. And ring the bell and say read the Muller report. I don't care if you're democrat or Republican read the Muller report on obstruction as the more than six hundred federal prosecutors said there, it is the criminal indictment is right in front of his Muller made clear that all of the elements are there for obstruction criminal obstruction in multiple incidences congress cannot cover it's airs and close its is. And pretend this isn't happening. This is not about politics. This is about principle. This is about what kind of country. We are. We swore not just to protect Donald Trump. We swore to protect the constitution of the United States of America. And that's what's called for here. Final question about your Senate colleague, you've talked about Mitch McConnell on the floor today. I think. There's a widespread view that. I think is probably correct that there's just no way they're sixty six votes in that body with a majority Republicans to remove the president. And as such since we know that that's kind of political given going through the motions is is a waste. What do you say to that? I see it that way at all. I think that we should have the impeachment proceeding, and assuming that the house votes for impeachment and sends it over to the Senate, then every single person in congress house and Senate should be required to look at the evidence in front of us and declare you think that's okay for president of the United States or you don't take a vote and then live with that voting for the rest of your life. All right, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts great, thanks for making time tonight. Thank you. Joining me now is Neil Cacho. Former acting solicitor general under President Obama who helped write the special counsel regulations I want to get into some of the legal particulars. But I want to start broad. Which is. There are fights between the branches all the time. There are fights over invocations of executive privilege over what can and can't be requested over scheduling, what is happening right now in a broader sense in the spectrum of normal too, extreme showdowns on these matters. This is extreme. And I think it's all basically can be lumped together under one thing, which is Trump is stonewalling. So he's not providing his tax returns. He's not allowing the full Muller report to be released and his attorney general may be voted on about contempt tomorrow in. Now, he's saying his White House counsel, he may invoke executive privilege to prevent Don mcgann's documents from coming out so all taken together. This is a guy who is really trying to hide a lot of stuff. And I know it's popular blame again or bar people like that. But really the all stems from the top. Well, let's talk about Mcgann because it's a little unclear to me. So I if congress wants to talk to Don Mcgann, he is no longer in the White House. He's a he's a private citizen. Although it's about things that he had to deduct the president about there might be an executive privilege question. But what what are they asserting? And what does it mean? So executive privilege is the idea that there are sensitive communications, maybe involving foreign affairs or other things like that that shouldn't be divulged to the American public and for all sorts of legitimate reasons. The problem here is really two fold number one. The supreme court unanimously in the Nixon tapes case said you can't invoke executive privilege basically to cover up wrongdoing. And that sure seems like what's going on here in the second thing is is privileges can be waived, and here Mcgann has already spent thirty hours testifying to all of these things before Muller. So you can't like claim executive privilege on Monday or you can't you can't release documents on Monday and then on Tuesday claim executive privilege. It doesn't work that way. It's already wait. So that's why I think most people think that this is a legally dubious strategy, and what's really going on. Here is an attempt to try and delay things into lay the truth from coming out. We saw this. I think most powerfully with what Mitch McConnell said today on the Senate floor, which you were just talking about. Oh, this is game over and so on the Miller report says there's nothing there. I think you know, with all respect to Senator McConnell. I think that he, you know, I read the report, and I read the English version and the English version is very damning to the president. I mean, the Russian translation may not be. But this one is and and it's, you know, in and we know this because now seven hundred plus former federal prosecutors have come out and said, we've read the molar report the actual report, and it shows that the president obstructed Justice. There's a question to at first they said, they would let router molar testify. And now there's a question about whether he will clearly I think they want him to testify in the house. They have not formally made an invitation yet, but I don't really even understand his status right now. He's still the special counsel DOJ can still block him. But how long does that last? Where there is up to Muller. He can resign tomorrow. And then DOJ has no authority over him as a former governor employees, he can testify again, there may be executive privilege or other things that could be tried to be invoked. But that's really the design of the special counsel where Galatian was such. So that we want to someone from outside the Justice department of sufficient stature, so they would feel free if they were being squelched in the truth was not able to be cut not able to come out because of White House or attorney general orders those a fail safe mechanism for them to go to congress and for them to testify in attorney general bar testified. You know, a couple of times now that he wants Muller to testify, and he had no objection, and you know, I credit the man at his word militia testify final question, Jerry Nadler's still they're scheduled to take a vote tomorrow in the House Judiciary committee on contempt citation. Contempt of congress for William bar after some negotiations today. How big a deal is. Does it matter? I think it is. It's a it's a sad day that the attorney general of the United States, maybe being held in contempt, and you know, one could blame bar for that. But I think that again this goes back to the root fundamental problem, which is bars, boss. Donald Trump is trying to delay the truth from coming out and obstructed from coming out altogether. And all of these problems can be traced back to that simple thing. All right. Neil cacho. Thank you, very much are still much more to come tonight, including Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer, Senator Chris Murphy, ends Senator Jon tester all here tonight. We have breaking news about exclusively obtained tax figures about the president is states. What they reveal about Trump the businessman in two minutes. A big breaking news story tonight from New York Times, the paper obtaining ten years of Trump's tax figures nine hundred eighty five one thousand nine hundred four which show that Trump lost over one billion dollars over the decade. Now the times did not tame Trump's actual returns rather printouts from his official IRS tax transcripts. Well. Trump layer Charles harder dismisses such transcripts as inaccurate though. No details about what. Specifically, the former director of research analysis into his at the IRS itself, characterize them as extremely reliable and taking together they paint, a just utterly. Extremely damning picture of a man who was pretending to be a successful businessman. There's a lot to get to in the story but start with this during that decade year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American tax payer WNYC. Reporter Ilya marritz is a co host the trumping podcast and expert on Trump's finances, and he joins me. Now. Good to have you here. Hager's? Okay. Top line of this story. It's just dishonest. I mean this. This report is from the mid eighties to the mid nineties nineteen eighty-seven is the Donald Trump publishes, the art of the deal and really establish his his myth as a dealmaker at a guy with an amazing knows for business. A guy who knows how to succeed in business. In fact, he was losing on average. We learned from this report a hundred million dollars a year. It's the number is so staggering. I can't fathom how you could lose that much money in a year. I mean in one thousand nine hundred nine hundred ninety one he's loses more than two quarter of a billion dollars each year were more than double those of the nearest taxpayer in the IRS information for those years, meaning he lost twice as much money as any other person in the United States those years. It's a stunning I mean, so you you come away from this report with a picture of a guy with a lot of money to burn and a lot of passing interest. So at one point he's into stock investing. At one point. He's buying the plaza hotel. He's buying a yet. He moves from thing to think to thing and one thing that tile failing. They're all failing well, perhaps because he's not taking the time to really learn one of these businesses, right? I mean what what appears to and this is a key point. Right. This is not during a period in the mid nineties when it's like, oh, he's bankrupt. And he's this is not during that period. Now, this is like when he's at the sort of peak. Donald Trump is the image of the gogo roaring eighties. Toast of the town Vero guy going out with women. Having a great time making a lot of money. Exactly. The nineteen eighty s money, man. Buying casinos losing a ton of money running casinos, which is not supposed to be very hard to do. It is hard to do for me. What it really underlines is the fact that when you are playing in that tier when you have that much money to burn and when you're so heavily invested in real estate your taxes. Look really different from the rest of us you, and I couldn't probably lose that kind of money. I don't have an immense still have a roof over our heads. But because of the curiosities of the tax code and the way that Donald Trump ran his business. He was able to lose money at times he had to let go of assets yet to let go of his his jet. He had to let go of his yacht. But in the end, he remained a rich man has been a rich man his entire life. There's also to me one thing. This also builds on is, you know. The extent to which he is just a guy spending daddy's money, right and daddy's inheritance and leaning on daddy and getting bailed out by daddy over and over and over again be this compared with two pair with the last time investigation that becomes undeniable. Like, it's all he is all just essentially a charity case for his for his old, man. Right. And let us let us not forget that he very much downplayed the role of daddy in the art of the deal. I've read the the deal it's it's an enjoyable read actually, but daddy makes only a small appearance there when we compare that he's business. Fred Trump was developing middle income, low income housing in Brooklyn and queens, excuse me stayed with that business for decades. Donald Trump comes in has a pilot cash goes from thing to think to think to thing burning burning it, but again staying in business. In fact, he was able to use those losses on his future tax returns, write those down. So again, it really, you know, let's pause in the fact Donald Trump's signature legislative achievement is a tax overhaul tax overhaul that favored the real estate industry. I mean, it's one of those sort of makes makes you think kind of moments. It was written in congress. But it was signed by this president. It's all right. Elliot merits. Thank you so much for your time. You very welcome coming up Santa Cruz Murphy on the Trump administration's dangerous flirtation with military veterans intervention in two different countries. And why it raises the specter of the beginnings of the Iraq war after this? So I came today to be very clear. The United States of America will continue to exert all diplomatic and economic pressure to bring about a peaceful transition of democracy in Venezuela. But to those who continue to oppress the good people of Venezuela. No, this all options are on the table. Vice president making his best tough guy. Face today is the Pentagon reportedly prepares for a possible military invention intervention Venezuela following the failed coup attempt last week at the same time. The Trump administration is ramping up its efforts to oust the Madero regime in Venezuela. It also appears to be doing everything it can to provoke or justify some kind of conflict with Iran one year since the president unilaterally pulled the US out of the Iran nuclear deal a deal they were not violating. According to the US presence threatening. Some kind of military action sending b fifty two bombers and aircraft carrier the region the reason opaque intelligence reports about vague threats to US interest selectively leaked to the press. If you like me live through the Iraq war that sounds unnervingly familiar, especially with John Bolton who was there during the time running the show from the White House and no Senate confirmed leader at the Pentagon as Senator Chris Murphy tweeted today. Hey, everybody, we're were in three different countries. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, an inching towards conflict in two. More Venezuelan Iran, and we haven't had a secretary of defense for five months. All caps democratic Senator Chris Murphy, member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee joins me. Now, let's start with Iran. What is going on? And do you understand what they're doing? Well, there's rumors that Iran is going to restart its nuclear program, and well, there's no way to rationalize that violation of international law. It was entirely predictable. We signed an agreement with the Iranians in which they agreed to forsake any nuclear weapons program, and we agreed to release sanctions. We were the party that violated that agreement and so it stands to reason that they would back out as well. But we have also upped the ante by naming essentially the most significant units of the Iranian army as a terrorist organization, something that our military leaders have been begging the president not to do because they worried that that will result in attacks on our troops. And it really doesn't get us much, but gives Iran even more reason to back out. Out of the nuclear agreement. And so we seem to be engaged in a series of escalatory actions with no endgame. There is no realistic diplomatic process that is going to spring forth from this, and there is no willingness in the United States or the United States, Congress just support military action. And so it seems as if it's esscalation without any plan for how it ends. I mean, you said that there's no tight in the in the congress for for for authorizing it. But the question always is like, we'll even come to you. This is Jim rich center for relations chair said the military invention is always on the table, but he declined to say whether he would require his committee to approve of any new conflict. What do you think of that? There's absolutely no question that the president cannot engage in preemptive military action against Iran or any other country without coming to congress are worry, though, is that there is a pretext that is created. Maybe there is a firefight between Iranian. Back militias in US troops inside Iraq that becomes a pretext for a military confrontation that all of a sudden spills into war. And of course, there are plenty of reports suggesting that John Bolton has been itching for this war with Iran for a very very long time. So it's worrying to me that there are high level Republicans seem to suggest that you might not have to come to congress to get the authorization to enter into an engagement like that Republicans in need right now to speak up until this administration that if they're contemplating any kind of military action they cannot do that without a vote of congress. I have you here. And I want to ask you a few things there's a lot going on right now, as as, you know, United States, Senator Chris Murphy. So so I just a few quick things. One is that we've got this the Trump's taxes for ten years in New York Times just showing him losing a massive amount of money, which is sort of neither here, nor there for him as the present United States. But I think I curious what you think about treasury just saying to fully lawful requests from from your colleagues in the house to turn on the tracks. Returns dough climate tree. I mean, they have no legal justification to prevent to refuse to present tax returns to the United States Congress. The law is clear on this. And ultimately, I think the courts will force those records to be turned over. And well, I'm not sure that the American public really cares to get deep into the details of the president's one thousand nine hundred and nine hundred ninety tax returns. It does speak to the fact that he has been a fraud for a very very long time. And I think from a political sampling Democrats would be well served to talk more about the fact that he is has been and forever will be an economic fraud that he cheats, people regular that. He lies about his wealth. And we want to bring an economic argument to twenty twenty focusing on the fraudulent nature of his business. And the fact that he's lied about the nature of his business for years is not a bad way to go. And finally says I do have you here in this happened today? And I want to ask you about it. There is a school shooting today in Colorado images that are just unbearable to watch. News or young children. I believe it was a middle school. And there were eight students shot it appears no fatalities. As of this moment. We don't have a lot of details. But we do have is a pictures once again of children and students the United States in America evacuating on the streets because of gun violence. What do you what do you think and feel when you see those I'll send my first grader and fourth grader off to school tomorrow morning. And once again this spring, they'll go through an active shooter drill and millions of parents all across the country. No longer can hide from this epidemic because there is a trauma that exists in every single school when kid fear for their safety, regardless of whether they're shot or not. And the reason Chris why the politics on the search changing the reason why we beat eighteen NRA a rated members of congress in two thousand eighteen is because there is nowhere to hide from this epidemic. And ultimately the ninety percent of Americans that want political change to happen on the issue of guns will win out, and regrettably it is in part. Because these scenes that you were just playing are are all to regularise all across the country today. All right final question for you. Elizabeth Warren was my guest at the top of the program, your colleague in the United States Senate got up on the floor of the Senate today and said peach proceedings should begin. Do you agree with her? I wanna see the full Muller report before I come to that come on. You saw the most the lightly redacted version. No, I listen I haven't seen big sections of that report yet. So I'm I have not come out and called on the house to begin impeachment proceedings, and I want to give the legal process and the judiciary committee in the house a little bit more time to get me the full report. So I'm I'm not there yet. I admit that I am not a little bit more information. Senator Chris Murphy, always a great person to talk to even on a extremely crazy. Newsday. Thank you very much. Senator. Thanks, chris. All right next. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer the man running point in the Senate for Democrats on the democratic response to the impeachment question. His response. The majority leader declaring case closed on the Mola report Senator Schumer. Joins me next. Going to impeach it. That's what he's stealing every day. He's just like wanting taunting taunting because he knows that it would be very device it in the country, but he doesn't really care just wants to solidify his base house speaker Nancy Pelosi shirt her theory today about the president really think. So the possibility he'll be impeached while her counterpart in the Senate, minority leader Chuck Schumer took Republicans to task for their efforts to defend the president. What we have here is a concerted effort to circle the wagons to protect the president from accountability to whitewashes reprehensible conduct by simply declaring it irrelevant in that effort, the leader and Senate Republicans are falling down drastically on their constitutional duty to provide oversight, and I fear to defend the national interest as well. And joining me now is Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer of New York. Great thanks for making time tonight. Senator we love Andrei, let me first start you. Obviously, you Nancy Pelosi very close. He worked together extremely closely in sort of figuring out the strategy of dealing with this president. Do you agree with her? Do you think the president is essentially trying to sort of lured Democrats into an impeachment trap? And he wants you to impeach him. Well, I think every day he has a different strategy. He's he's not always consistent. But we know one thing both he and leader McConnell fear. The full. Results of the report being made clear to the public. The fact that he so often obstructed Justice. The fact that the Russians did interfere repeatedly and strenuously in our elections all of which prove Donald Trump being wrong in what leader McConnell did today on the floor. Was nothing short of despicable to say that it's over case closed when we haven't even begun to investigate the report when Muller hasn't testified, and it's Muller. Who knows what the report says not bar spin on that report to not see the underlying documentation and how deeply Russia affected things. And what they might do in twenty twenty from Connell to do this for Trump to do. This is despicable and let me just say this about leader McConnell when a foreign country interferes in our elections. It will help President Trump in Trump probably is pushing him to be quiet, but it's much deeper than that with the Russians. Ultimate goal is that Americans will. No longer have faith in this democracy that gnaws at the roots of our democracy and could actually topple the mighty. Oh, that's been the American Republic. So from Connell to run away from this is so it's one of the most he's done a lot of very very bad things. But this is one of the most despicable even obligation to see what the Russians did. And stop it. And one more point Chris. There is we have bipartisan bills ready to go forward. Why Amy klobuchar by Marc Warren by comma, Harris that would stop the Russians from interfering in large part in our elections. He won't even let there be a debate on them. That's a disgrace. Am I right? It seems to me that the leader has sort of kind of slowly. But surely, but but totally transformed the body work in Senator. I mean, you you essentially are a judicial nominating bodies and the leader just doesn't bring anything up. I mean, even stuff that's not hugely controversial. There's bipolar. What has happened to the US Senate? Well, he has made it into a legislative graveyard. The house has passed so many good things and McConnell won't even bring them up for a debate. Here. What's supposed to be the grandest debating institution in the world. We don't have debates we rubber-stamp appointments largely right wing largely unqualified. And for instance, this week will not debate a single piece of legislation and there's so much to do look what just happened in Colorado. The house has a Bill that has the support of about ninety percent of the American people universal background checks fear of the NRA. He doesn't bring it up. We have the violence against women act to protect women when they are abused. He won't bring that Bill up. We have proposals passed by the house to protect Americans from being for when they have pre existing conditions that their insurance companies can't take advantage of them. He won't bring that up. He's gonna pay political price. For this Americans don't wanna legislative graveyard, but I have never seen a leader. Do this never the real question. I think I think there's broad agreement along different ideological strands, the democratic coalition broadly that the president is acting in ways that are provocative that run afoul of the balance of power between the article one article branches there's question about what the remedy is. I mean, Elizabeth Warren came out today, your colleague, obviously who said impeachment proceedings apt to begin we took an oath to defend the constitution. It's not a question of what the polls say or what's politically expedient. Do you agree with her? And if not why no, okay, I think it's two steps. First we have to let all the facts come out that means Muller testifying that's crucial for people to to get the whole picture. We have to see the underlying documentation, not just the report that Muller issued. Without we want to check because I don't believe bar redacted properly and appropriately, but we need to see the underlying documentation. And then everyone will look. Everything over the next several months and make a decision, and that is the best way to go because we need to convince the vast majority of the American people that there is impeachment. If it is warranted by the facts. And I think the press that leader Pelosi is chosen going really strongly and getting all the facts out. No matter what Trump says and then making a decision on impeachment is the way to go. You you've known Donald Trump a long time. You've probably known them as long as anyone you. And you Jerry Nadler, actually, which is sort of amazing plot twist here at this point in all of your lives. Did you ever think? Do you? He the man is fundamentally I think is in your time shows he's a fraud and con man, how do you understand what he understands what brings him to heal? Because it seems to me like he is playing a power game with congress and doesn't care about niceties of norms that doesn't care about Nazis law, frankly, and will not stop until something essentially forces him to stop one word strength, Donald Trump. In addition to the words you used and throw in clown. But he's a bully. And if he since his weakness, he just keeps going after you relentlessly as no compassion. He has no humanity about these things. But if he shows if we show strength, are you that's the question are Democrats acting sufficiently to send that signal to him? So that he understands that well if we relentlessly pursue getting all the facts of the mullahs report of his tax returns of all the terrible things. He has done. Yes. It's a slow process, but it's an inexorable process, and he will feel more and more and more. Fenced in. And that's where you have. There's not a question about impeachment. It's a narrow question, but I would love to get your answer has the president violated his oath of office. I believe that he has. So undermined the constitution and the rule of law that he has violated what any president should be absolutely. You think last week you and Nancy Pelosi took a trip over the White House talk about infrastructure, and I want us to wait. I I understand that politics about compartmentalization and through your long political career, you've done deals with all kinds of crazy figures that you didn't like, and that's part of the territory, I get that. But do you understand? Why people look at that image walking out and being like, we had a productive meeting on infrastructure and think that you are on Mars. Well, here's here's the point here. I anything we do that might end up being constructive. It's not going to stop us from investigating the president from looking into the president from trying to make him come clean on all the facts. But second here is my credo stick to your values at the White House. I told the president this can't be tiny little infrastructure Bill. It has to be used. It has to be cleaned clean energy. We're not going to do the typical bills that we've had in the past. It has to deal with wind and solar and power grids in electric vehicles. And charging facilities and battery storage third has to protect labour. We're not going to do a Bill that undermines labor 'cause we need middle class wages and fourth. We have to protect minorities and women. So they end veterans. So they get a fair share of the Bill. We said you don't do those things you're not going to do a Bill. And so we'll see where he comes out. But to just say, no, you won't talk to him. I don't think that's the right thing to do. But to not be a cheap date to make sure you stick to your principles and the only Bill we would support will be a strong robust fill with the principles I've outlined in some others. Nothing wrong with talking to them. Will he get to that point very unlikely? And then the American people will see on infrastructure like on so much else. He's a fraud. Well, but here's here's sort of the fundamental, existential, crossroads rat. Which is is this is the president just a bad president in the normal bounds. Been bad presence. Or is he somehow abnormal in a way that's dangerous fundamentally some basic tenets of the Republic. And if it's the latter the. Question is what do actions that take that? Seriously. Look like an argue doing them the best way to do. That is make sure we have the report we help push to get Muller appointed and to protect him now to get all the facts out and see where that leads you have. When you have a president who is the way he is you have to be strong. You have to be focused. What you have to be. You just got to push forward. Step by step by step and have the walls close around him. And I think that leader Pelosi particularly in the house is doing that. We have limited power in the Senate. Hopefully, we'll be in the majority in twenty twenty one and we can do the same thing. But I think they're handling it will I'm going to take a compliment for the president here for you and save you if you agree or disagree. So we have these have the New York Times has ten years of the president's taxes. This is during the period writing art of the deal. He's the toast of the town. I'm a New Yorker like yourself grew up every day going to the bus stop with Donald Trump on the cover of the tablets. It was all a fraud. We know that right. The man managed to con himself into being the president is states. He's got to be the most successful con man in the history of the world doesn't the greatest worry. I have the greatest worry. I have is that this man is so despicable in how he governed so little respect for the rule of law. So little respect for honor and decency, and you manage and the norms and values that have made America great. How can so many people follow him that is one issue that eats at me, the others? I think if we do our job things will fall into line appropriately Trump will not win the presidency or he won't last that long to even get there. If we do our job, right? All right, Senator Chuck Schumer, fellow New Yorker, fellow Brooklyn. I live pretty close to me. You're welcome to come on the program anytime for as long as you. Thank you for making time enjoyed it. Thank thank you very much still come Montana. Senator John tester on all of the break news the night as well as the president's grow as well as a growing fears of the president's trade war China. That's just ahead. Chinese trade envoy is heading to Washington in advance of a Friday deadline when the Trump administration warns it will once again hike tariffs on two hundred billion dollars of additional Tiny's goods. That's on top of the tariffs now now for their part. Chinese are reportedly preparing not surprisingly possible retaliatory terrorists. And it's hard to say that the nation trade were thus far has been either good or easy to win though. We should also say it's been largely manageable. But among those who have taken it hardest on the chin our American farmers. According to the office of the US trade Representative US, total exports of agriculture products to China told nine point three billion dollars in two thousand eighteen and that's less than half of what the US exported just one year prior. According to an archive version of the same data available online democrat Jon tester of Montana is himself. A former one of only a handful in the Senate. He joins me now talked about treat and more. Senator good to have you. How how? Tangible have the effects been to farmers in your state Montana in this trade war. Well, I think it's going to become really really serious over the next few months, Chris, and I'll tell you why we've been dealing with the impacts of the terrorists for some time. And I think just about everybody in rural America agrees, we need to hold China accountable. The problem is is now we're in planning season and have planted in a good portion of the country in there's nothing worth much money. At all, we prices might be a dollar higher than they were forty one years ago when my wife, and I took over the farm. That in time. I can tell you nineteen seventy eight you could buy a pickup for less than ten thousand dollars. Now, you're looking at five times that much for a pickup. Wait, you're saying no way to say. Nominal dollars. They're only it's only a that's how that's not inflation. I didn't know if I call it. My elevator in big sandy Montana right now, it's less than four and a half a bushel, and I can tell you when I moved out the farm in may of nineteen Seventy-eight. I remember going over and talking to my neighbor about wheat being three fifty a bushel in whether I should sell it or not because I wanted to get a better price because that was too low. Look, this is the twenty th century. We've got people in production agriculture out there that are hurting. We got go talk to the bankers. They will tell you that these guys are living by a thread, the margins aren't that wide. Nothing the best of times. And now, we're almost totally dependent on subsidies because the trade and the trade with other nations foreign trade, especially has been screwed up by these tariffs. And I would say one more thing Chris in people agriculture know, this a lot of these trade relationships have not been worked on for decades. They worked on for generations in quite frankly to fritter them away really puts a death nail into rural America. And I'm very very concerned that we may see a repeat of the nineteen eighties. In the next few years, if something doesn't change and change pretty darn fast with these tariffs nineteen as when the interest rates forced foreclosures and family farms across the country and destroyed huge swath of rural America. That's exactly right. We saw the little town that I was born and raised in go from thousand people down to six hundred today and a much of that was due to what happened with the mass exodus off the land in the nineteen eighty s since I have you here. I don't get a chance to talk to you often. I do want to ask you a about sort of broader things happening this sort of constitutional showdown with the president. That's developing particularly in the house. You are just reelected you represent a state that is state. That's a conservative state Republican state at least in presidential elections. It has democratic governor. How do you see the standoff, what do you think Democrats should do? Well, I think we got to get to the facts. I mean, we gotta get the information. And all the information the truth will set you free. And I believe in transparency in government in anytime. Somebody stands up and says, no, we're not going to give that information. What happens almost all the time? Then then I think there's something to be hidden there. Whether there is or not it appears something is being hidden. You take a look at the mall report. I want the mole report. I want the whole thing. I want the land documents, and guess what? I want everybody in Montana tax have access to that too. In everybody in the United States to have access why because it will set forth what really happened. What really transpired in the American people who were smart people can make up the decision under who's right who's wrong. And if anything is screwed up here. Look, it's pretty obvious to me the Russians interfered in our election. I think the report bears that out I think our national intelligence agencies bear that out. Let's let's let the Muller reports speak for himself in as far as Torney general bar. He is the the lawyer for the country not for the president. He should step up and go to the house meetings and talk about what transpired answer the questions and put this business to bet. Do you use your estimation of him or the president changed over the last? Weeks. Well, with turning general, Bard has I mean, I was inches away from voting for his confirmation because when I met with him I thought he was a pretty straight up guy. But boy, I'll tell you what I'm glad it didn't happen because he certainly didn't step up the played like I thought he would. And I think it's foot, you know, he was very respected persons attorney general before I think now his his career is is really. Just he's going to be known for this down. Not for any good work. You did before. And I think that's pretty unfortunate, but it's his own doing. So you live with it. At the center was with Warren was my guest earlier in the show, you saw her chore that she was on the floor today. She talked about her desire that impeachment proceedings begin in the house. She says, there's no political expediency exception. The United States constitution. Do you agree with her? Well, I think we've got to get the facts. Truthfully. I think if if you don't have all the facts as you move forward, or as many facts as you possibly can then then you're going to end up in a difficult position. It was interesting today because Senator McConnell got up and said this is over and Elizabeth got up later and said we need to proceed with impeachment. I personally don't agree with either one. I think the route is get more information. If that information bears out we need to impeach then move forward and do it. And I think that quite frankly in the Senate is we have to have some help from the Republicans. If impeachment were to go through anyway. So I think there's need there's more facts that. Need to be presented in assuming those factor there, then we might be able to get some Republican support and move forward. So final final question for you. What Chuck Schumer? It's not a question about impeachment. Appreciate precinct proceedings. It's just a straightforward question about the president's oath of office. He took an oath of office to uphold defend the constitution to take care of the laws are faithfully executed. Do you think he's violated his oath in my opinion? I'm not an attorney. But in my opinion. I I don't believe that he is acted presidential since it's time in the office. I don't think he's represented the best interest of this country think he's more represented investor interest of himself. And I think that's very unfortunate. All right. Jon tester, a farmer as you heard farmer. I Senator second think he would like to say from the great state of Montana. Great pleasure to have you on Senator. You can come back anytime. Right. Could visit with the Chris as thank you. All right. We've got a new podcast today. It's tuesday. Tuesdays with pod day, this podcast is near to my heart. Because it's about the thing in politics that drives me the most insane, which is deficit, talk and the. Sterile hyperbole around deficits. And the Apocrypha around deficits we talked to Stephanie Kelton who's an economist who's got a brand new theory. That is getting a lot more adherence with basically says the government can spend whatever wants don't ask how it's gonna pay for it. It'll blow your mind take a listen wherever you get your podcast that does it for all in. You can catch us every week night at eight o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's Facebook dot com slash all in with Chris.

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Sen. Murphy: Lack of CDC Guidance Will "Cost Lives"

CNN's The Daily DC

17:38 min | 5 months ago

Sen. Murphy: Lack of CDC Guidance Will "Cost Lives"

"You say this stage shouldn't open too early but then you don't give us the resources to succeed. You work for a president who is frankly. Undermining our efforts to comply with the guidance that you've given us and then the guidance that you've provided is criminally vague. I do anticipate these broader guidance shown to be posted on the CDC website. Soon soon isn't terribly helpful. Senator Chris Murphy voicing his frustrations at the administration's Corona Virus Response Doing yesterday's Senate hearing. Hi Everyone I'm CNN. Senior political reporter. Newly a henderson in for David Chalian and this is the daily. Dc It may not have looked like the Musi hearings. We've become so accustomed to in the trump era with many of the participants remote but yesterday's hearing brought storm warnings from health experts. About the dangerous moment we find ourselves in with little guidance from health officials as more and more states begin to reopen a key corona virus model now projects one hundred. Forty seven thousand. Us deaths by August ten thousand more than previously estimated in. No indication projections won't continue to rise joining me now. We've got a Connecticut Democratic Senator Chris Murphy. Who Participated in that hearing Senator Murphy? Thanks so much for being here with us today. I just WANNA start with the optics of that hearing someone in the New York Times. It looked like a tribunal in some depopulated cyber Western dystopia. What did it feel like to be there in that setting? It was strange but everything about the last. Few months has been strange as you could probably pick up. There were a handful of senators present in hearing room others. Were there via video. Obviously all of our Witnesses were appearing via video and as I remarked at the beginning of that clip. You know it was worth noting That you know all of our witnesses were appearing video because some were quarantining and you know for White House employees. It's not that hard to quarantine. They're still drawing a paycheck. They've got doctors at their place of employment. They've got potential tests every day if they want quarantines a lot harder for most Americans and so that reality was not lost on me as I was watching Dr Fouled. She and Dr Redfield others on video screens yesterday. Is it your sense? That other hearings should happen this way because of where we find ourselves with this well. I think that we're going to have to adapt for the time being to the reality of members of the Senate and those that are testifying before us being in quarantine. I think we've managed to figure out Safeway's to convene were extending vote times so they were not all congregating on the Senate floor at the same time. We're sitting six to eight feet away from each other in these committee hearings. I mean listen. I argue that we should be in Washington to do the business related responding to this virus. I'm not sure that we should be in Washington to just confirm more conservative judges. I'm not sure that that's worth putting. Thousands of capital employees at risk remember the employees here not just members of Congress and their staff. It's you know also. The cafeteria workers the janitorial service workers. Those folks also have to come in and their lives are in danger and if we do that then let's do it for a good reason. It's our listeners. Heard some of what you ask Dr Redfield a little earlier and it was clear that you are frustrated that the CDC guidance hasn't been issued to some of these states that are reopening and the AP is reporting today about an expanded sixty three page document that the CDC created on how to safely reopened businesses and institutions including recommendations to help decide when to shut facilities down again doing future outbreaks. Now the report says that the document was quote shelved by the White House who says it is a draft. That's not ready for release. What's your reaction to this news? Well I think their decision not to provide guidance is going to cost lives. I've got a lot of smart people in Connecticut. But I don't have access in my state the kind of expertise and resources that the CDC has and so as we seek to go through a very complicated and nuanced reopening of our economy we need guidance from the CDC. How is it different to reopen a daycare center than it is a restaurant? What do we need to do if we have a spike in infections in a particular city which businesses can remain open which ones need to be closed that guidance can really only come from the CDC? There aren't enough experts in fifty state governments to be able to develop that plan on their own and my impression is that the White House has refused to release this document because they don't WanNa take responsibility. The President United States wants to remain an armchair quarterback. He wants to be able to stand up at these press conferences and criticize states. Kush the responsibility onto them if the reopening doesn't go well and that's just an abdication of responsibility as the commander in chief and the president of our country and invitation. For more people to die. We will try to get it right in Connecticut. But I don't have the staff of epidemiologists at the Department of Public Health and Hartford that the CDC does the entire reason they exist is to manage the states through epidemics like this and the president is letting them do it. So I just WANNA clarify here. You're saying that the White House specifically president trump is deliberately preventing the CDC from providing guidance to the states. I mean I don't see any other explanation. This guidance was developed by experts. Dr Redfield said yesterday that it has been elevated and others are reviewing it and it will be made available sometime in the future. I read that as the White House. Making the decision to not provide US expert level advice on how to reopen our economy. I'm not exactly sure why the White House has to review professional scientific recommendations by the. There's nobody smarter at the White House. Then the epidemiologists at the CDC the White House needs to release this hold. Let this guidance be given to governors like governor so that we can have the benefit of it as we reopen our economy. Why he had to take a listen to Dr. Ouchi warning about states reopening too so. There is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak that you might not be able to control. Which in fact have you back? Not only leading to some suffering and deaths could be avoided. Could even set you back off the road trying to get economic recovery would almost turn the clock back rather than going forward. That is my major concern. So how worried. Senator or you about gifts about economic setbacks as well if these are reopenings. Don't go well and they don't have the CDC guidance so I appreciate Dr Fouled. She's warning yesterday but in the hearing. I called it infuriating because the document that Dr Foued. She's referring to this plan to reopen. America says that states should reopen unless they have a system testing tracing and quarantine. So that if. There is a resurgence of the virus. Somewhere that you can jump on it. Isolated stop it from reversing a positive trend line statewide. The problem is the trump administration has fought against efforts to try to fund the development of that very system of testing tracing and quarantine. The administration doesn't support any new money for states to build that system and so doctor she up in Congress warning states not to reopen too early but states that are looking back at the federal government and saying. Wait a second. You're not providing me with any of the resources I need in order to reopen safely People are out of work and desperate and so the warnings are a little hollow to me if the federal government and the trump administration specifically isn't willing to provide that support and I know that's not Dr Fao Cheese Responsibility. He would probably gladly support additional funding but he represents the administration and the administration is frankly trying to have it both ways. They send Dr she up to the hill to make it sound like they're being very responsible in their admonitions to states. But then they don't really help us to make sure that we comply with those warnings and with that we're GonNa take a quick break. We'll be right back with more from Senator Chris Murphy. There's a place where the wicked witch of the West. I needs the king in the north. Where Start and a fresh prince meets a dark night. It's a place where friends laugh about life while others keep coming back to life. It's where all of. Hbo Meets The Greatest Collection of movies shows and New Max. Originals for everyone in the family. Hbo Max where HBO meat so much. More not all titles available at launch. And we're back with Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy. One of the concerns that came up in yesterday's hearing and something I'm hearing from. Appearance of kids is about going back to school in the fall. Doctor Falcons said there's likely not to be a vaccine so that shouldn't be taken into account when thinking about kids going back to school in the fall. I know you have young kids. Water your concerns about sending your kids back to school in the fall. I am one of a small number of senators. That has elementary school age. Kids there in the public school system and well. I am absolutely exhausted. I'm trying to run a home school for a fifth grader. And a second grader. Also want them to go back to school unless it's safe and what I know from listening to public health experts is that it's not safe for kids. Don't go back to school unless we have that system of testing tracing 'em quarantine established because what I want to be able to do is no if my town or my city is having a uptick in infections. Because if that happens then you can adjust and you can temporarily closed down that school again in the fall until you have that outbreak under control. But you can't know that on a granular school district by school district basis. Unless you were doing pretty robust testing both of people who are symptomatic. N People that are as emphatic. And that's why Senate Democrats have been pushing the administration to develop a national testing program. That's why I've introduced legislation parts of which are included in the house. Draft of the new coronavirus released build. It would require the president to take control of the supply chain for testing equipment. Because if we don't have robust testing than we don't know when our kids might be in jeopardy. I want you to take a listen to what your Republican colleague Rand. Paul said to Dr Falcone during a hearing yesterday as much as I respect. You doctor algae. I don't think you're the end hall. I don't think you're the one person against to make a decision. We can listen to your advice but there are people on the other side saying there's not going to be a surge that we can safely open the economy and the facts will bear this out in Dr Algae's response to that was you know he doesn't saying he's the Indo. What was your reaction to Senator Holes Assessment of Dr Phil? Gee I mean he's not wrong that we shouldn't listen to a panoply of advice and I think that was Dr Faustus response to his question. But I live in a world in which you should on the side of caution. We don't know whether there will be a resurgence in the fall. But if that's a relatively serious possibility then we should plan for it and so I'm not exactly sure what my friend Senator Paul is suggesting. Is he saying that. Because it's possible. There won't be a resurgence. We should just stand down and not build assisting of testing and quarantine to be ready for it. I'm not necessarily sure that you know admittedly uncertain science around whether a resurgence of the virus comes back in the fall should dictate our policy choices. We should be ready for that one way or the other and oh by the way. We really haven't beaten the disease yet. Anyway I mean all that's happened is that we've kind of flatlined at around seventeen hundred to two thousand deaths per day. I mean there's no real evidence that we have traumatically turned the corner nationwide and so we also shouldn't be celebrating yet. We need to build that system of testing tracing quarantine right to make sure that we actually push the country into a consistent downward trajectory in this was a point. I think that your colleague Senator Warren was making when she was pressing the administration experts on whether we have the virus contained in whether or not it will return in the fall. Here's what she had to say. I wish we could tell the American people that the federal government has this pandemic under all but we can in fact have said. The virus is not under control. Us We haven't yet taken the measures necessary to prevent a second wave of death. The president needs to stop pretending that if he just ignores abuse it will go away so senator. What needs to happen for you to feel like. There's a plan that the that the administration has this virus contained. I'll bet they're looking forward to the fall and a possible outbreak. I mean I frankly think in some ways it's too late for the federal government to make up for all the lost time. What essentially happened here. Is that after? The travel ban didn't work the president gave up. He just gave up and he tried to wish away the virus he left the response to the states into the cities into the hospitals. And so at this point I have limited expectations of what trump administration's going to do going forward. I mean they're a disaster. He's incompetent I just frankly not sure that. I want him in charge of every aspect of response in Connecticut. So what I WANNA make sure happens. Is that the federal government and the trump administration fund our efforts in Connecticut Connecticut. Glad to pay for emergency response in states that get hit by earthquakes and hurricanes. We want the federal government to help us fight off this virus and then second. I do think there are places where the administration can be much more helpful. I don't think that Connecticut can manage the supply chain of testing on our own. You know we don't know where all the swabs are and so the federal government does need to temporarily take over the manufacturing and supply of things like tests testing equipment personal protective equipment. I want the administration to do that and I think we can force them to do that. In this next relief. Bill SO FUND OUR STATE EFFORTS TAKEOVER. The supply chain. If they do that. I mean frankly is nothing compared to what a competent president would do. But I think that that can help us get through this and quickly. I want to get your reaction to something that a White House senior adviser Jared Kushner said about moving the data the election due to the virus. Something the president has denied is a possibility. Kushner initially said he wasn't involved in that process and couldn't commit one way or another then this morning he released a statement where he said. I have not been involved in nor am I aware of any discussions about trying to change the date of the presidential election. What's your reaction to that? Is that good enough for you. It doesn't really matter what he says. The president can't change the election. I mean keep can and if you tried to do that the courts would stop him. It's unconstitutional only. Congress can do that and there is. I think no interest in the United States Congress to to change the election. What we do need to do is make sure that everybody has the chance to vote in this election. Which is why the House is relief. Bill has provisions that. Make sure that more Americans can cast votes by mail. We're taking steps in Connecticut Make sure that everybody has the ability to cast an absentee ballot. We also need to recognize that their foreign actors that are GonNa try to use this moment of weakness in the United States to interfere and we need to stand up our election. Defenses even more strongly right now so you know. I understand kind of interesting when jared Kushner references changing the date of the election but he can't change the president can change it and my sense is that there's no interest from the United States Congress to change it Senator Murphy. Thanks so much for chatting with us today stay safe. Thanks a lot. Remember we publish a new episode every weeknight. So please subscribe on your favorite podcast. 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Amanpour: Chris Murphy, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Gaby Dunn

Amanpour

58:56 min | 1 year ago

Amanpour: Chris Murphy, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Gaby Dunn

"This CNN podcast is brought to you by American Express, my credit guide a free credit score. And report and other tools to help you take charge of your credit. Your credit score is greater than a number. It's your story. Hello podcast listeners tonight. We devote our whole show to healthcare and the whole issue of health, and the twenty twenty elections is something that affects everybody, and it's top of the agenda for most Americans. No matter. What party you'll hear some incredible conversation from democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut about how they're going to fight very very hard despite the Trump administration's desire to kill ObamaCare in the courts, and then we turn to Dr Sanjay Gupta who has an incredible and timely important documentary airing on HBO called one nation under stress, can you believe that the United States the richest most powerful country in the world that spends the most on healthcare of any developed country has the greatest falloff in life expectancy of any developed country. It is incredible is called deaths of despair, and how stress is leading to live psoriasis. Drug deaths suicide, but he also has solutions, and then we end without Alesia Menendez talking to Gaby done about why talking about money is today's tabu even more to do than talking about sex. That's all coming up on our poor. And I hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. The postal Malla America sees healthcare at the top of the agenda for both parties in ways that will define the twenty twenty election. The president is wasted. No time directing his Justice department this week to get the courts to entirely strike down Obama ObamaCare, which is formerly known as the Affordable Care Act. Here's the president and his main sparring partner. House speaker Nancy Pelosi. We are going to be the Republicans the party of Greek healthcare. The Democrats are they've let you down the department of Justice becomes the department of injustice when it wants to tear down health care benefits. Because Dr king said people could die. Now in the run-up to the midterms eighty percent of voters said that healthcare was very important to them. And that included sixty eight percent of Republicans. It comes as real life health issues. Hit home first Rockland county in the state of New York is banning unvaccinated children from public places after a months long outbreak of measles and three high profile suicides in just over a week. A putting a spotlight on mental health and gun violence to survivors of last year's highschool massacre. In parkland, Florida have taken their own lives and the father of a victim in the sandy hook school shooting has died in an apparent suicide as well Senator Chris Murphy is close to both these sad stories and has helped put health care for Americans at the top of the political agenda. And I've been speaking to him about all of this from Washington. Senator Murphy, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. So what is the state of play? You've heard a set this up as the Democrats and the president vowing to mate healthcare the issue and for each of your parties to claim to be the party of healthcare. What do you make of that as a winning issue for the next election? Well, you know politician needs to make healthcare the issue. It is the dominant issue when you're talking to constituents when I'm back in Connecticut. Everybody is talking about how their healthcare is more expensive than ever before drug prices or spiraling. The opioid epidemic is out of control. And it seems that President Trump administration is trying to make it worse. You know? I mean, everybody knew that the Affordable Care Act was imperfectly. But when the Trump administration and Republicans tried to get rid of it without any replacement without any idea as to what comes next exposed. The fact that Republicans were really pretty ideological about this. They just wanted a Bill with the president of with President Obama's signature gone. And didn't have any idea what to do next and President Trump, of course, has been really consistent since he got into office. He has been doing everything he can from the White House to try to destroy the Affordable Care Act and this week was the latest development, he instructed all of his lawyers the department of Justice to go to court to try to invalidate immediately. The entire Affordable Care Act that would mean thirty million people losing insurance overnight that would mean everybody with existing conditions having their rates jacked up or losing insurance completely. And this was a change. It used to be that his lawyers were going to court to just try to get rid of some parts of the Affordable Care Act. Now, he wants the whole thing gone, and again has no plan to replace it. So the stakes are pretty high. Right. So so let's put it in the president's own woods because he address this very issue today in Washington. Here's what he's saying about this. We're coming up with plans. We have a lawsuit right now going where phase one of the lawsuit terminate Obama's Kerr, essentially terminates ObamaCare, you know, that that's the Texas law suit. We think it'll be upheld that we think it'll do very well in the supreme court, and if the supreme court rules that ObamaCare is out. We will have a plan that's far better that ObamaCare. Okay. So they two issues that the last time it came up to the supreme court. The supreme court upheld the Affordable Care Act, isn't that? Right. And do you believe that the supreme court will will seek to throw it out? If it comes up again. So the exact same five justices that upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care actors still there, so you would suppose that nothing would change. Now. There are a couple political operatives on the supreme court right now in Neal Gorsuch, and Brad Kavanagh who are going to try to come up with new and novel arguments to strike down the. Affordable Care Act. So I'd only we should assume. It's completely safe. But as second point, which is that we're going to come up with some new plan. That was what the entirety of two thousand seventeen was all about all throughout that year. Republicans were working on coming up with a plan to replace ObamaCare, and they didn't come up with one which is why in the end their effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act fell by the wayside. So Republicans have been using this rhetoric about coming up with a replacement for ObamaCare for ten years. They have no replacement bay have no plan never going to have a plan and the president does that all he's going to do here is just ripped insurance away from thirty million Americans, and there will be absolutely no substitute for what comes next, obviously. It was a major winning issue for the Democrats in the midterm elections. It was the top of just about everybody's list of priorities. So this is what a Republican Senator Susan Collins said today about the president's. Current plans if the administration is supposed to the and clearly there provision of the law that you need to be fixed. The answer is for the administration to work for with congress and present a plan to replace and fix the law, not to through the courts see to invalidate it altogether. So if this does get down to a legislative through the cords and through congress battle, what do you expect what kind of reaction, do you expect from your Republican Senate colleagues you've seen? Well, Susan Konin says, but there are others who are much more tacking towards the president's line. I mean, Susan Collins is a major outlet, right? She's one of only three Republican senators who voted against the repeal of the Affordable Care Act with no replacement. Most Republicans have been broadly cheerleading the president's attacks on the Affordable Care Act. I expected that will continue. We did come together about a year and a half ago to come up with bipartisan legislation that would reverse some of Trump's attacks on the Affordable Care Act would make sure that the insurance companies get paid would restore the marketing money for the exchanges that he canceled. But he made it very clear he wouldn't sign that law and so Republicans on hearing that decided not to move it forward. But it does speak to the fact that there is a village to get Republicans and Democrats to agree on healthcare policy with this president though, there's no way to get it signed into law. It was notable that many members of the Democratic Party whether in congress or in the Senate in the post Muller days, these last few days of this week have not. Wanted to talk about going down a rabbit hole of keeping on investigating the mother report and all the rhetoric they've really kept focused particularly in the house. We've heard on the issues and they have been healthcare. Do you believe that that's a strategy that will hold across the democratic policy going forward? Well. Let me just say, I don't actually think the post Muller days commence until his report is before congress and the American people. So right now only a handful of people know what's in that report. I have no way to evaluate. Whether there are serious allegations of fraud or illegality in that report that we have to take action on. So right now is really important for us to make sure that the Trump administration doesn't continue to succeed in hiding. This report from the American public that being said, I don't know of any Democrats running for contested seats for congress in two thousand eighteen who ran political ads on the Russia investigation. They were running ads on gun policy on health care on immigration. And so well, the Russian investigation has always been super important. It is not ever been top of mind for our constituents economic issues have been and that's why we won in two thousand eighteen and the house of representatives we focus on. Those issues, and that's where most of our focus will continue to be. And I think that's that's right. I mean, you absolutely right, again, the stats show that the Russia issue was practically the last issue on voters minds during the midterm elections. But do you believe that the full maller report will be released? I know that's the topic of big conversation right now. I don't know whether the report is going to be released I get more and more concerned every single day. I had assumed that it would be immediately sent to congress at the same time that the attorney general was reviewing it and every day that it doesn't come to congress. I think should make all of us worry about what's actually in that report. And whether the attorney general is telling the truth in his suggestion that there is no evidence of collusion and no actionable evidence from a criminal standpoint on obstruction. So I'm less confident than I was yesterday and the day before that we are ever going to see that report. And this is the future of democracy. If the American public and congress can't see this report, and I don't know how you ever investigate a president ever again, if the administration can control that entire process and control who sees the findings as soon as I get back to the to the broad health issue beyond a the Affordable Care Act. There is a current. Well, some would say a crisis in the United States the well at World Health Organization lists vaccine hesitancy as one of the top ten global health threats of twenty nine thousand nine hundred about thirty percent worldwide increase in measles. And it's now come to the United States with this issue in in New York state where the kids who've been unvaccinated Aban from public spaces Congo to school and old Redford because there is an outbreak of measles. Tell me how this is going to be addressed in the United States, and can you separate a real health? Necessity of vaccines from the political sort of? Playing around with antitax theories and social media conspiracies. Well, I think that our committee the health committee in the Senate has shown that you can separate the politics on this issue from the policy. Senator Alexander Republican who often comes to the defense of President Trump convened a hearing in which there was no diversity of opinion amongst the panelists every single person. There was representing what is the scientific community's definitive conclusion, which is that there is no harm in individuals taking vaccines and that the only harm comes through people just choosing to forego vaccinations. So I think in the Senate we have really tried to keep the politics out of this. It doesn't help the president has in the past done business with some of this accident anti vaccination crowd. But you know, we're gonna try in the Senate to make it clear that every single Senator Republicans and Democrats is ready to take on this. Conspiracy of lies about what vaccinations do and that we are willing to do anything that is necessary in. In order to stop these Musil's outbreaks these rubella outbreaks from overtaking communities in this country. I mean, this is this is Dell the little bit into how you stop these myths spreading because it is extraordinarily that Europe. For instance, is seeing a twenty year high in the spread of measles. And we've seen the President Trump has tweeted many many times about the connection the supposed- connection between the vaccine and autism, and indeed other populist leaders a jumping on this anti bags bandwagon. Whether they're in Italy on France or elsewhere, what is a successful way to combat this because it's so serious in terms of people's health and their lives. Well, one piece of legislation. I think is going to be worth while to take a look at the United States Senate is regarding the exemptions that people use to get out of taking back stations, many states have wide open malleable exemptions in which people don't really have to answer many questions about why they are choosing to withhold their children from a particular vaccination, we can tighten these exemptions. We can make people receive some education first before they use one of these exemptions. And maybe that will limit the number of people who ended up going through with the decision to withdraw their children. So that's one I think really important step that we could take from a policy standpoint. Can I move on to other aspects of health, and this is mental health and the spike in suicides in the developed world. I mean, it really is a tragic tragic issue since sandy hook it took place in your state. You've been very proactive in trying to combat. Gun violence and trying to lobby for sensible gun laws, but there's also human fallout still. We've seen two suicides amongst parkland school survivors, we understand that one of them, according to her parent had survivor's guilt. And we also understand we believe that one of the fathers of a sandy hook victim. Jeremy Richmond took his own life and his wife has tweeted it's three eighteen AM. I can't sleep even when wrapped in the arms of my beautiful children insidious and formidable the tricks the brain took his grief and killed him. My champion. I will love you forever. Jeremy richmond. And the hashtags. I'm Senator you knew Jeremy just give us a sense of of what could have led to this terrible tragedy that he was fighting so hard with his foundation. I'm not the right one to try to explain Jeremy's death. He was a friend. He was sitting with me in my office. Just a few weeks ago more enthusiastic than ever about the work that his foundation named after his daughter who was killed in sandy hook was doing. And it's a reminder of how difficult it is to manage the fallout from these tragedies people say, well, it just underscores why we need to get help to people who are going through this kind of grief. We'll Jeremy was actually the person that you called in order to get help for people who were managing grief. He ran a foundation that was dedicated to helping people understand the way the brain tricks you into doing harm against others or against yourself. Nobody knew the neurology of aggression and harm better than Jeremy Richmond. And he still couldn't stop himself for making decision to end his life. And so it is a reminder of why prevention is really the only way forward you have to pass laws like universal background checks. Vans on a salt weapons that stop these tragedies from happening in the first place because trying to manage the trauma that comes afterwards is like trying to put your finger in an exploding dyke. I it's alternately worthwhile. But it is not going to make the impact that prevention will. And just find the overseas. Another huge health related issue. Not is what's happening in Yemen. I know that you in the Senate very concerned about the US backing of this war, the ongoing war there, a save the children facility has been bombed and kids have been killed. What is your reaction to? I don't know to trying to get this to come to an end to try to get the US backing of it to end. I mean, I I don't know how the Saudis bomb a hospital a children's hospital after all of the attention on the just cascading catastrophes that has been there participation in this war, and it's just more evidence that the United States needs to get out. We need to get out because we cannot participate in a war crimes any longer we need to get out because so long as the Saudis think that we are still relatively unconditional our support for them and the war. We're never going to force them to come to the negotiating table and other who are incredibly bad actors. They have been stopping much of the implementation of the Stockholm agreement from going forward, but the Saudis by and large have been the ones on the outside of negotiating process. So from a position of promoting peace and from a position of human rights, the United States needs to get out. There will be legislation landing on the president's desk in a matter of days that will require the United States. To get out of the Yemen war supported by Republicans, and Democrats, I hope he rethinks his stated opposition and decides to sign it, especially after this news of another children's hospital being bombed by the Saudis, Senator Chris Murphy. Thank you. 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What's the surest way to make are have nots feel poor put him in a lot of income inequity? I feel helpless feel rage. It just seemed like we didn't matter people. Have this g that competition is good for you? But that's a trick. Could it be the society gets so stressed out that actually starts to break? And Dr Sanjay Gupta, joins me. Now from Atlanta. Welcome to the program Sunday. Thanks so much for having me. Really? Appreciate it. This is really really a topical and timely investigation. That you've done it's amazing before I just get into that. I wanna get your medical opinion on what I was asking Senator Murphy about which was this outbreak of measles, and the antibiotics hysteria that is causing real world impact. Well, you know, one thing I think when we talk about the anti vaccine Steria, it is worth sort of looking a little bit in context. I think the vast majority of people Christiane, thankfully, still do vaccinations. They get themselves their children vaccinated, they understand the science. They see the benefits, and they also understand that when they get vaccinated. It's not just for themselves. Not just an individual protection. But it protects groups of people. That's the herd immunity that you've certainly talked about on your program. People talk about I think, but you you do see the impact in certain communities now within the United States of of not getting vaccinated and not having that herd immunity, and and the measles in particular is something that as you know, in the United States was deemed eliminated in two thousand year two thousand nineteen years ago. And now, we're dealing with us again one community in north of New York one hundred and fifty three cases now. Since October fifty cases just this year. And and again, as you've heard they're taking some extraordinary steps now to try and Kerr tale that but the science is very clear the science is very clear on this. I mean, there's some things where the science is squishy or we need more science. We say that a lot in the medical world here. There's large studies there's large meta analyses to determine both the benefit of vaccines and the and the lack of adverse in a negative side effects. So. I have three kids. I got them vaccinated on schedule. Chris yet. I did as well. Right at the top and the height of of this, Emma. MO scandal. And we're seeing the fallout now just quickly another question on this. Because we're hearing from Ribeiro weekly reporting that this apparently this outbreak started in the ultra orthodox Jewish communities in Rockland, many with close ties to the Brooklyn areas where there's also been infections and vaccination rates apparently in those communities tend to be lower and anti vaccination literature has spread according to public officials and another report saying this outbreak began when I'm vaccinated resident visited Israel and became infected that and returned home with the disease. So in terms of you as a doctor, and you as a journalist on the healthcare community, how does one counter the spread of these this fake literature? These these myths this on these untrue about the science. I think that there's there is a lot of knowledge that is circulating that talks about the benefits of vaccination as well. What you find? And look no one knows this better than new Christiane because you're the you're the one we all look to when it comes to communicating important messages. But, but you know, sometimes people hear what they want to hear. And I know that sounds rather glib, but I you know as much as long as I've been doing this job. I find that. Sometimes it's not that people aren't getting the messages, it's that they've already made up their minds, and they look for things to reinforce their point of view. And if someone has already suspicious or does not want to get vaccinations, and anti vaccination literature is finds their way to them. They're going to read it whereas people who trust the science. They don't read this. You do find for example, within this community north of New York. This more orthodox Jewish community that religious leaders rabbis. Others have come out themselves and said, look if you're not doing this because of religious reasons because you're claiming an exemption for religious reasons. That's not a good reason to do it. That's not something that the orthodox community is. Advocating so even with that though, you still see I think around eighty two percent percentage of people who are getting vaccinated, which is too low to get this herd immunity that we talk about you need to be over ninety five percent for that. So that's that's that's the problem. But you know, I wish I could have a better answer for you Christiane about how to really reach people who have made up their minds already that they think vaccinations are harmful they're bad. They're not effective, whatever their argument may be. It can be very challenging at times. What it straight that their religious leaders saying, you know, what you're saying that they do. And of course, this is also around the world, the Gates Foundation, and others are very upset that in Muslim countries. There's all this suspicion about polio. And and kids not being vaccinated whereby they should and these smallpox and all the rest of diseases that have been eradicated in the coming back. Thankfully, it small. But the W H O recognizes it as being a real major problem for this year. Yeah, I wanna move on because it's related in various different ways to your incredibly interesting and timely documentary. And how extraordinary it is to here in the same sentence that America the most developed powerful richest country in the world, which spends the most of any other country on healthcare is seeing the I believe the fastest and slightly consistent falling of life expectancy. This is not meant to be. Happening in the United States. Tell us about it. Yeah. I mean, you can't even believe it and the people who I noticed this trend in communists out of Princeton. They literally had to, you know, look at the number of several times, they didn't believe it themselves. The fact that the United States is now dropped in life expectancy three years in a row the only country in the developed world where this is happening. The last time this happened Christiane in the United States was was one hundred years ago, and what was happening one hundred years ago, we were in the middle of a World War, and then global flu pandemic so just to give you some context than trillions of dollars on healthcare twice as much per capita as the next, you know, the country that spends the next amount. And so it's really unbelievable. And if I can for a second because we really dug into this not only is the United States the only country in the world where this is happening. But if you start to now, look at the demographics within the United States, the largest populations f. Americans whites Hispanic Americans Hispanics, you find that with African Americans. Their mortality rates are higher than whites. But the mortality rates have been going down steadily Hispanics mortality rates are actually lower than whites. And they continue to go down. So it's really whites and primarily working class whites which is defined as having a high school education or less where that is driving this trend if you look at every population in the developed world Christiane every population in the developed world, all of them have been steadily increasing in life expectancy since World War Two except for one. These is really when the where that's not happening is the white working class. It really is extremely and I want to get to that. And the wise, but I I wanna play a clip where you talk about this phenomenon as the depths of despair, it's very very punchy and visual title, and here in this clip, you're explaining it. CDC's says middle aged whites had the highest increase in these depths of despair. CDC folks high rates of drug overdose in this group. When I first started looking at these bikes and different causes of death among the white working class. You know, you late overdoses suicides psoriasis deliver that felt a bit mysterious to me. It took some time. Still at the sort of piece it together and say, whoa, wait a second. There's something going on here. So that's something going on is the investigation, and perhaps the title and the reason is contained your title one nation under stress. So you've identified the three sorts of deaths of dispatcher, what is it, and what kind of stress is it that causes this. Yeah. Yeah. That was really the investigation, you know, much. I think this is a parallel between medicine in journalism you see the symptoms which are the opioid primarily opioid overdoses and drug overdoses suicides and liver cirrhosis due to alcoholism. And you know, they're all self inflicted depths of despair their self medications that have lead to death, and this idea of stress being the common factor is what really started to emerge and not just the kind of stress that people talk about from having a busy day or even from time to time struggling with finances, which is the most common forms of stress. We're talking about a much deeper sort of stress this population Christiane, the white working class the white population the United States, primarily oftentimes a sons and daughters of the greatest generation. I mean, their their parents are literally called the greatest generation who went off and won the World War came back. And help build America into what it is. And the expectation was that their sons and daughters this population that we're talking about we're supposed to inherit the earth. They were supposed to inherit the United States at a minimum. And instead they saw jobs leaving dude outsourcing automation, they saw wages dropping due to the changes in the global economy. And now they see themselves dying at a faster rate than any similar population in the developed world. So this is the kind of stress that is an identity stress. It's an existential stress it's based on this what psychologists referred to as dashed expectations to have expected something and not received. It is far worse than simply not receiving it. And that was something that came up over and over again, the impact that these dashed expectations have on on mortality and this year neurosurgeon, you pointed out with the graphics and the x rays and the imaging of how it actually. Is a physical thing this stress. Not just a a feeling and something that happens to you. It actually affects the frontal cortex, I think and you made this distinction between what you've just said not everyday stress, but this cumulative toxic stress. That's right. I mean, look, I think people talk about, you know, this aspirated, and we want to eliminate stress that isn't probably neither a good, nor worthwhile. Aspiration? I mean, we all need stress. I mean, certainly any living creature needs stress in order to survive and thrive so stress. It self is not the enemy. That's not the thing that people should be pointing their finger at it is as you say, the constant relentless nature that then turns that stress into a toxic stress. I was quite struck by this very objective impact measurable impact on the brain. Because I think often times people think stress stresses a nebulous thing. How do you define it? Can you really measure it what they showed me? And this was at the Yale stress center was this area. The prefrontal cortex of the brain that starts to actually diminish in size wither away in its connected in response to stress so they put people in these MRI scanners, and they'd expose them over and over again to these stressful images. So that it wasn't just one stressful image, but it really put someone into constant sort of state of stress, and they saw these changes in their brain. Now, why this is important is because that part of the brain is also a part of the brain that makes you resilient to more stress makes you exercise good judgement makes you sort of figure out how to be empathetic towards your family, your friends, your colleagues, whatever, but even things like makes you more likely to make good decisions about your next meal in terms of your overall, physical health. So when you lose that part of the brainer withers away, I should say, it becomes sort of a self fulfilling thing, a constant sort of stress like that makes you much less likely to be resilient to stress in the future. And you can sort of see the problem there. I will I will say if you if you allow me just on a slightly more aspirational uplifting note is that we used to think that once those areas of the brain we're gone or whether it away that was not going to come back. This the same study showed that that's not the case either that you can. Re-grow those parts of the brain in response to stress mitigation in response to having times without stress so that you can get yourself out of that cycle. I want to dig down on one of the issues you've identified obviously in terms of the depths of despair as liver cirrhosis, obviously from alcohol, there's drug deaths and this epidemic of heroin and prescription drugs that are killing people and the suicide let's just take the drugs for a moment. And let me read you these terrible statistics that you have in your in your program. Basically the United States makes up under five percent of the world's population. But uses some eighty percent of the world's oxycodones and hydro coda nearly fifty Americans die every day of prescription drugs. And of course, there's a big issue in the United States right now. Let us play a little clip of a lady called Angela who you talk to a lot. And this is at worst. I take way more than I'm supposed to. Even the other night. I was sitting there thinking, maybe I should just take all of these. Description sleep. I mean, again, it's really sad because it was the stress of her life and her loss that her losses that costs of the take these drugs, then she became addicted to them, but the good news, and we're going to put this picture up is that she did get treatment. And by the end of your. Your your documentary and after the years of of doing this, you see that Angela is so much better. And she looks just completely different now that she's in recovery. Tell us about we know the story the painful story of America's massive drug addiction, but tennis about how they get well how some people can get out of this. Yeah, you know, and I can tell you you made so many films, Chris. And you know, when we when we first met Angela, we really had no idea how she was going to do. I mean, we were very worried about her. I mean, she she she was talking about suicide dying by suicide when we first met her, and she she was you can see how much weight she lost. We get a real sense of her life for her. You know, it really came down to a very strong social support system. You know, this wasn't a story that was solely road rooted in the economy, you know, someone who's living on the fringe doesn't have access to healthcare. You know losing. Job. She lived in a family where they had resources and she had healthcare. This wasn't a Konami or labor force sorta story what we found was that ultimately for her having strong social cohesion being able to count on people within her family and her community who eventually got our help. She went to rehab. She went through recovery learned stress. Mitigation techniques was able to treat her addiction. All those things ended up making a big difference. But if you had to look at probably the most important factor, it was this this this idea of the social support. And when you look around other countries around the world that have similar amounts of opium available opiates available to their population. They're not taking these things what what are the big buffers. What are the big protective forces against that? And you find that a lot of times it is the social cohesion social cohesion that didn't happen by accident. It's part of the culture their policies. Place to help promote it and foster nurture it, but in many places in the United States, you just don't have it. So you're suffering. You find easy ways to try and self medicate with medications, you get the prescriptions you start to take more and more that you're at risk of real risk of death. And what is the thing that's likely to pull you out of that the the umbrella thing really is strong social support. I really like liangelo had that I really found that fascinating because you did even more dig into the idea of community and people will see that when they see you a documentary on HBO, and it's really really facet. Of course. It makes sense that community and those communities have much as hot of failure much less sort of, you know, a congestive issues in their buddy. And I I really think that's interesting. But I want to also ask you about the naturalist professor from Stanford who you interview and also the story about the Monkees because these booms that he talked about when they had stress or grief. How they healed was by groom each other. So there again is the social cohesion the community. But there's also an issue that another naturalist who you talk to France wall depicted in the Ted talk. And this is inequality inequality is something that really upsets millennials and people, and it's kind of the story of our world right now. But he showed it through monkeys who were being given a different sort of treat for for for a test. Let's just have a look. I gives a rock to us. That's the task. And we give her a piece of cucumber, and she eats it. The other one needs to give a rock to us. And that's what she does. And she gets a grape. And the other one sees that she gives a rock verse now gets again cucumber. I mean, it's perfect. You know, the rage of unequal pay inequality gap, you've delved into so much just sort of described. This is one of the main factors in stress. And then finally, you know, what is your advice to de-stress to try to buffer as you say. Yeah. And I would say about the monkeys. You know, it's interesting because the obviously you can see the monkey that's receiving the cucumber very upset literally rattling the cage subsequent. Studies have shown. This is important point that the grape receiving monkey the one that got the better treat also had stress levels that skyrocketed it seems no matter where you lie on the spectrum. Whether you are a have or have not you're wealthy or you're not. Living in a glaringly unequal society. It can be very disruptive very unstable and very stressful. And that's that's not a comment on capitalism. Versus OSHA listen because there are plenty of capitalist countries that continue to increase in life expectancy. Don't have these levels of stress. These debts of despair, it's the more the blatant conspicuous, glaring income inequality, and I think there's a lesson in there for all of us. I will say with regard to expectations. I think the one of the lessons that I think was learned as per society was that we always expect that our kids are going to maybe have a better life than their parents. And that we're gonna leave the world better for them. And what we realized now's the world changes. There's no way probably this. This population is white working class could have outlived out perform the expectations of their parents, the greatest generation, and I'm very careful now with my own children Christiane in terms of the language that I use the expectations that I place on them not to create a level of stress that is that is talks. Iq or expectations that are not achievable, but we should all take time to distress. Because again, it's not the it's not stress. It's the constant stress. That is the problem and you've spoken about meditation and mindfulness in ways that one can try no matter where you are in the world so Sanjay. It's really really interesting and well done. Thanks so much for talking to us about it. So we continue to examine the correlation between inequality and stress right now as we turn to the generation that's on track to suffer from the worst income inequality in recent memory, and that's millennials on next guest says they view the stage of their Bank balance as an intellectual moral and personal failing like many in the gig economy. Gabby done with several hats, comedian activist YouTube putt Kosta and now author and her new book bad with money tackles, the stigma surrounding personal finances. She told our Elise Menendez the talking about money is now a greater taboo than talking about sex was. Kevin. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. I loved the opening line of your book. It was here's the big secret about money. No one knows anything. What do you mean? That's what I learned. I mean, a lot of financial gurus will come at you with specifics as if they can predict the future as if they know exactly what each person should do even though in my experience, everyone that I've talked to has individual extenuating circumstances. And so it's just not accounted for. You know, I think a lot of people were talking big game. And then the housing crisis happened, and I don't think a lot of people were giving protections or saying to people. Hey, be a little wary of this because they just couldn't predict it. But then they go on and still talk about like money as if they're very confident, but they're confident guesses if no one knows anything about money than what did you think you could add to the conversation? I wanted to be relatable rather than aspirated all and I wanted to make people feel like there's no shame in talking about it. And there's no stigma. I always say like I'm lucky in that my family's not going to me for talking about it. My friends, you know, like, my friends are going to be okay. I'm still going to be alive. I that's my metric for talking about something shameful. Like all still live still have a home. I'll still have my dog. Everything will be okay. So, but for some people that's not the case. So I feel like if I can talk about something, and I can be the person who can take on. On the embarrassment than I wanted to do that. And it's helped a lot of people feel better about their own situations. Even though they can't personally talk about it. Let's talk about that. Shame on your podcast bad with money. You open going into a coffee shop with two questions. What were those two questions as my favorite? It was. I went in and ask people what's your favorite sex position. Everyone was happy to answer it. And then I said, okay, second question how much money is in your Bank account, and everyone was like no one girl answered. But everyone was like, no, no, no that's personal. I can't talk about that. And what did that tell you that sexist, cool and money is uncool people are like, you know, I think there's a lot of work in the sex positivity space, and they're still needs to be more. And I certainly do stuff there too on my YouTube channel. But I realized that like my real secret was my money situation. And people would always come to me and say, wow, you're so brave for talking about your sexuality, you're so brave for talking about sex positivity. And I knew like I felt a pit in my stomach, and I knew in my heart that. I was actually not brave because I wasn't talking about the real problem in my life. The real thing that made me feel insecure and made me cry all the time which was money. So I felt like that was the last taboo, generally, where do you think that that shame and tabu around money comes from people see money as an intellectual moral and personal failing. They don't see it. As just the biggest thing that has to be in your life. They see it as like this personal thing that says something about their self worth. And it says something about their intelligence and people judge. I mean, people love to judge even people in worse financial situations will like laugh at and judge and give unsolicited advice to people in, you know. A little bit lower situation as soon as I started the podcast. I got a ton of emails mostly from men being like, oh, here's what I would. Do if I was you. Here's how I would be a billionaire. If I was you and I'd be like, right? But like are are you like are you and they'd be like, no. But here's what you should do. I want you to read a part of the book for me one of my partial. Let's see if I have what page it's on. It's about your puller diagnosis. Oh, yes. That was that's my favorite chapter. Okay, too. So this is what I wrote here when I was manic I wanted to spend all my money because life was a breeze and who cared about social constructs like money when I was down I desperately needed material things to make me feel better. No matter. What state? I was in. I convince myself not to look at my finances or try to sort out my Bank accounts or plan for the future because it was too stressful. And I was too fragile right now. Why did you want to write about this? I felt like it would have been a disservice. Not to explain the eight years of bad decisions. Because I I didn't realize I was undiagnosed for a long time. So I didn't realize that my mania or my depression was contributing to my finances. And I think a lot of people don't I think a lot of people go undiagnosed. So I I would, you know, associate like sadness with needing to buy something. And then I would also when I was manic make all these plans and be like, I'm going to go to grad school in Japan. So I need to buy a book about Japanese culture. I never read that book like within two days. I would be like what I don't want to go to grad school in Japan. And so I think it I thought it would help people to understand how mental health contributes to find it is. And maybe once they know that they can step back and take a look at what they need to do in that like, you know in that situation. I talked to a bipolar expert named Julie fast. Who gives advice about freezing your credit cards when you feel manic or only dealing in cash, or you know, having a buddy who can say, hey, you're being kind of manic. Like, are you sure you want to spend this money? I just felt like it would have left out a huge part of my story. If I didn't mention, you know, what was contributing you write about how much of our attitudes about money, come from our family, and from the money script that we grew up with what was yours. My parents were big spenders and big into experiences. My dad was an addict and an alcoholic growing up. So my mom talks about how she would not understand where money was disappearing to issues a divorce and child custody attorney, and so she would make some money and was more the breadwinner my dad working instruction. And and so she would be confused as to where the money was going. And she admits she was pretty naive about it. And then they also like just didn't want to say no to things. So like, my mom, would you know, I? Say in the book, my mom would do a lot of her work for free. And I asked her about it. And I and she said well there were children who needed my help. And I said, yeah, there were children who needed your help living in your home as well. You know, they talk about how they didn't really think ahead about a lot of things. They don't have a retirement they spent twenty thousand dollars on my bought mitzvah, which is like mind blowing. So they just wanted things to, but it would be feast or famine I had a lot of whiplash where they would say today, they would buy a bunch of stuff. And then tomorrow, they would be like we're poor. And I'd be an eye as a kid was like, which is it. So I would get some money for something. I would be working on. And then I would immediately spend it in this way of like, well, I don't know I could die tomorrow. And I don't know, you know, when like what I can't have it. I can't have it in my possession. And so how do you break that cycle? Just knowing about it like sitting down and writing out what you learned from your family and then writing out if it serves you anymore. If it's something good, you know, some of my friends their parents were accountants or their parents open Bank accounts for them when they were fifteen so like interest, compounded like a l- depending on your family like a lot of my friends had really good situation. And then I talked to some people like a lot of young people in jen's e who their parents are millennials or gen-x, and they are terrified because their parents are dodging calls from Sallie Mae or have a bunch of student loans. And so they're learning like, maybe I shouldn't go to an expensive college. Maybe I shouldn't take out student loans because their anxiety about money like seeps into the whole household US student loan reach nearly one point five trillion dollars last year, where do you place that in this larger societal conversation about money? I think it causes almost no economic mobility, which is true right now in America, and it keeps people in the class that they're in. So even though people want to, you know, get a better education. This American dream of getting this nice education, and then going off into the workforce with like a great degree. They're not finding that they can get jobs based on that. And then they're in, you know, forty thousand eighty thousand dollars of debt so they're starting out their financial life in deficit. But I see a lot of. Younger people opting for community college, or which is a great resource, or you know, opting to maybe not even go to school based on what they wanna do like a young girl. I spoke to wants to be photographer. So she was like I could get a job at a wedding, photography place and build up my Instagram, and I wouldn't have to spend money on college. What is the millennial myth the millennial myth is this idea that the millennial generation is a monolith? I mean, I think the depiction we see most often is like a white upper middle class person holding an iphone taking a selfie eating avocado toast at their startup job. And the unlike maybe that startup doesn't have health insurance. And that is so not the the entire millennial generation like there's this thing where millennial generation is seen as the rich people in that generation, and it's not and then poor people are just poor. So for instance, like a twenty five year old Latin next like mother of two. To working a minimum wage job in east, Texas, that's a millennial, but nobody would put that millennial on a time magazine cover, for instance, millennials are working hospitality, retail and service industry. More often than not that's that makes the minimum wage millennial issue. Like, there's these things that we only talk about student loans is a millennial issue which they are. But there is a there are other Lineas out there who have different concerns. And so when we only talk about one type of millennial it has a trickle down to policy, and so we're knowing one group you use these stats in your book, twenty sixteen Pew Research found that twenty five percent of Americans made money on a digital earning platform like Airbnb or lift thirty seven percents that if filled gaps in their employment so on so forth in your experience. What is the reality of being a part of that gig economy? There's assisting that shows that I found in the book that in the past like in the nineties eighties. If you. Doing a side hustle or something in the gig economy. You were saving up for something a trip or some gift or special thing. Now, the people that are in the gig economy are using it as their main income, so that's huge. I mean that makes most people freelancers more than half of young people will be freelancers by twenty twenty. So that that's like people cobbling together an income. Whereas like, you know, they don't have the steady income in the pension and stuff of the past. And in my experience. I do I still do a lot of freelance type stuff. I mean, I work as a writer. So like if I'm in writer's room that's a short time. That's not a job that I would have for more than three months selling merch, or you know, doing really or doing like, I do like platforms where you can like make videos for fans for like, you know, a certain amount every video until like, I'm even cobbling together an income from from. Multiple places. I mean, you have a large social media presence. And at the same time there have been moments in your life when you're like trying to find quarters in your car. So that you can pay things that was what kicked off the podcast was I had some branded deals that came through. And they're not a lot of money at the time. And they're still kind of not. And so I would split that with my comedy partner. Not everyone has a partner on their YouTube channel. So they would make the whole money, but I would make half, and then it would be like comments because of the brand deals, and because people didn't understand social media. They would say, oh, you're a rich girl. Now, I wanted to defend myself on every comment, but I couldn't. And so I asked him questions like even they had no idea like I wrote back to one girl and said, how do you think I'm making money, and she said YouTube Pisieu a salary every week YouTube is you a salary for your videos, and I was like what you think I'm an employee of YouTube. I make. Pennies on each add. I think one of the challenges of these platforms is the monetization component. But then the other part is they can be federal. I mean vine was thing on now. It's gone. I like to tell young people when they say, I wanna be a youtuber or I wanna I want to be an Instagram influence, or I would go, you know, you want to be a photographer or you wanna be a model or you wanna be a video editor or you wanna be a producer or a director. That's what you have to say. Because those platforms are not going to be there. So youtuber not a job like Instagram influence or not a job you need to say that you are a job that you could do anywhere in a lot of them. Don't realize that until I say that. I'm sure there's someone who's watching who says this person says no one knows anything about money. She's bad with money herself. She's a YouTube or podcast, or why am I listening to her? Tell me about how to be good with money. I think he want someone who's in the trenches who relates to. You who understands like that the reality of life like the realities that come up, of course, like you have a savings, and then there's and then there's a car breaking down. And you're like or like, you know, a girl came to me and said should I making money? Now, should I start a savings account? Or should I go to therapy and me as someone who has had mental health breakdowns who has spent all their money in a mental health breakdown. I mean, that's that's something that I can answer from experience. You know, I took a year researched this book, so I like to say that I've cut a year off of what you need to do. To learn read the book, you have won a year of your life. Gotta be thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Gaby done is certainly relatable with all that advice. But that is it for now. Thanks for watching and goodbye from London. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? 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GOP Sen. Lamar Alexander Wants To Address Climate Change Without The Green New Deal

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GOP Sen. Lamar Alexander Wants To Address Climate Change Without The Green New Deal

"This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators. That's why Comcast business is helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast. The Senate votes today on the green new deal proposed by democratic congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortes, but it seen as a bit of political theater. The Republican majority wants to force Democrats in the Senate, especially presidential candidates to declare whether they support the controversial measure to which one democrat, Connecticut, Senator Chris Murphy says this they don't like the green new deal final put up your own idea. But it really just it smells so disingenuous especially young voters. Well, one Republican Senator is putting up his own idea to tackle climate change. I believe climate change is real I believe humans are a major part of causing it. And we ought to do something about it. That's Tennessee's Lamar Alexander. The Senator wants the government to fund a five year project to spur development of green technol-. Giese? He's calling it a new Manhattan project for clean energy. We need to start building advanced nuclear reactors, we need to show other countries. How to find natural gas the way we have the United States leads the world in reducing carbon emissions we need to find a commercially viable way to deal with carbon capture. So what we need is money for research and government leadership, which is what I'm proposing east started this conversation by saying you believe in climate change, you believe that humans have contributed to it. And that is not always how members of your party have spoken at all. Do you? See Republicans is ready to start a real conversation about climate change. Yes, I do. And I think we should I actually thought gives you that sense Willis becoming more urgent more of a problem. And it is a better understanding of it. I actually think the green new deal is such a bizarre proposal. And so far out that it gives us a chance to step up and say this is. Problem. But that's not the way to do it. We'll just. It is a resolution. Right. It's not actually it's a start of a conversation. It was a non binding resolution in some of the things you have in your plan greener buildings electric vehicles are things that that plan. References. What makes that one bizarre in yours somehow more straight ahead will that that one focuses on on on cows combustion Houser not mentioned in the resolution Senator five. Will. But the proposal was to deal with agriculture and methane comes from Cal burping. So that was a big part of the proposal. It says working elaborately with farmers to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions supporting family, it doesn't say anything attacking the they've cleaned it up a little bit also talk. They also talk about well, they talk about focusing on renewable energy, for example. Right and right now solar power has increased for our country. But it's only two percent of our electric sixty wind is only nine percent. We can't run the country on solar power and wind. But could there be as Martin rates could some of the other ideas in there be areas of compromise for you? Oh, sure the areas that I mentioned I believe Democrats offered support advanced nuclear natural gas carbon capture better batteries greener buildings electric vehicles, cheaper solar, even fusion and even more money many areas of disagreement, then why not consider the green new deal. The start of. Conversation at the end of one it's the start of the conversation, but headed in the wrong direction because what they usually mean when they have this kind of conversation is we're going to close the coal plants. That's not necessary. It really is a very radical proposal and provides a chance for Republicans like me or Democrats to take some of the things that we do agree with and focus on them. Let's get on with it. I'm chairman of the energy appropriations subcommittee. Let's focus on these ten grand challenges at this point. Would you say that you feel like there has been a shift in the way people talk about this? And is that in part because of the green new deal proposal? I would answer that. Yes. I think it's such a radical proposal and has an as attracted so much derision and caused so many Democrats political problems that it's caused Republicans to jump into the fray and say, okay, we've got a better idea. So I think it's good to have the debate. And hope we keep having it over the next couple of years. And I think I'd like to see the new man. Hatton project for clean energy, be solidly bipartisan, but usually start out in a political environment with partisan proposers. It's nothing wrong with that at all that Senator Lamar Alexander Republican of Tennessee. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you for your time.

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Amanpour: Mitt Romney, Chris Murphy, Bill Weld and Neha Narula

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Amanpour: Mitt Romney, Chris Murphy, Bill Weld and Neha Narula

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash CNN, high podcast listeners tonight. I took unlikely GIO the rabbi pod in senators Mitt Romney, and Chris Murphy who have just come back from a trip to the Middle East. What did they think the escalating tensions between the US? Andy Ron will lead to then Bill weld is the only Republican candidate challenging President Trump in the twenty twenty election. What made the former governor of Massachusetts decided to run, and Harry has a fascinating conversation about the future of cryptocurrencies bitcoin, and such with the director of digital currencies at the MIT media lab. Enjoy the show. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. Iran has ended some aspects of cooperation under the landmark twenty fifteen nuclear deal. Exactly one year after President Trump quit the agreement and launched a campaign of maximum pressure against Iran. Here's a sobering response. From democratic Senator Chris Murphy. Hey, everybody. He tweeted we are at war in three different countries. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria and inching toward conflict in two more Venezuela, and Iran, and we haven't even had a secretary of defense for five months. Iran has blamed the US for his actions saying hardliners in Washington an economic sanctions have made it impossible to continue Taryn says it will now keep enriched uranium stocks in the country rather than sell them abroad and is threatening to increase its enrichment levels within sixty days. However Iran's far. Minister javad. Zarif maintains the country is not walking away from the deal sort of document, the decision the Islamic Republic of Iran has taken at the moment is actually to continue without commitments to the nuclear agreement and not go against unlike the USA, which has pulled out today. We have not pulled out the agreement. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy had Republican Senator Mitt Romney have been traveling to the Middle East in a bipartisan mission to assess security issues in that region. And I've been speaking to the about their trip and also about President Trump today invoking executive privilege over the redacted pause of the special counsel, Robert Muller's report to congress. Senator Mitt Romney, Senator Chris Murphy, welcome to the program. We are going to deep dive into a trip to the Middle East. Where Senator Murphy you even raise the specter of this administration slouching toward their, but let me particularly in Iran. Let me I asked you about what looks to be a White House war with congress. How do you assess President Trump's assertion of executive privilege over the redacted pause of the Muller report Senator Romney, I? Well, it's a it's a legal issue at this stage. It's a process, which may ultimately be resolved in the courts, and we'll see what that resolution leads to. I had hoped that this process could be entirely open and collaborative it is becoming less. So I'd also hope to hear from Mr. Muller. I still hope that we'll get a chance to hear his perspectives on the process at the same time. I think that the hearings that were held with with attorney general bar were were so hysterical in some respects that there seems to be a retrenching on both sides. And frankly, when when everything is called an outrage, nothing is an outrage. So I think the process has gotten off the rails certain degree. But clearly we have the motor report. I spent a twofold days reading it and people can draw their own conclusions by doing so Senator Ron just to say, sorry, Senator Murphy just to say you sense. Romney said, quote, I'm sickened that the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection. By individuals in the highest office of the land, including the president that is from your reading of the of the model report. Yeah. I wasn't speaking about a criminal or legal implications in that circumstance. I was speaking about the the degree of dishonesty and misdirection that I was saying I read through the report, particularly the second volume of the report suggested misdirection that was being laid towards the press things were happening inside the White House that I found to be disappointing in the extreme. And I think other people if they take the time to read the entire report will come away with that same very very deep disappointment. And that's on the obstruction issue in volume to Senator Murphy, you're about to say, do you think the president asserting executive privilege over the over the redacted parts is isn't appropriate and correct use of executive privilege, which doesn't fact have certain limitations. Of course, it's hard to know because we haven't read the redacted portions of the report, but I do agree with Senator Romney that this was headed to the courts, frankly, before the president asserted executive privilege because the attorney general had not complied with a subpoena for the full report one way or the other. It seemed unfortunately inevitable that the courts we're going to have to litigate this question as to whether congress gets to see the entirety of the report only the portions of the report that the administration believes that we should see I believe in the end that the courts are going to come to the conclusion that this is of course, in the interests of the United States Congress to be able to see the entirety of it. But I agree that it would be much better for this to be worked out between the congress and the administration rather than have to go through the expense and the time of core process and do you? Then think there's been a lot spoken about in Washington. We've delved into it on this program, the notion that there is a constitutional. Crisis developing particularly between the executive and legislative branch. I mean Senator Romney, you just said some of the questioning of attorney general, Bah. And of course, the holding him in contempt. You called it a bit hysterical. Do you believe though that that is a constitutional crisis? Awesome. Trouble within the parameters that the constitution allows for congress to have oversight over the executive. Well, I think in some respects when we when we overstate a circumstance such as a constitutional crisis. Why that some somehow dims the the real crises that may occur? I don't think there's a constitutional crisis at this point. I hope we never reached such a thing in our country. But there are debates going on with regards to Congress's responsibility for oversight and the administration's authority to be able to preserve documents and so forth and exert executive authority, and that's something which will be resolved in a constitutional way through our our legal system. So I think the process has become unfortunate in terms of the the rhetoric around and some of the the extreme statements that have been made. But I think it's very much in the interest of the American people to have had the investigation complete. They can read it. There reports about what it says and people can draw their own conclusions. As Senator I hate you both saying that this is not going to be resolved between the white. House and congress that through the legal process. How do you feel about about? Whether there is a crisis, given Congress's constitutional duty to have oversight to hold the executive branch accountable. Again, I think the crisis would come if the courts demanded the production of documents or the redacted sections of the Muller report and the president did not comply with those court orders. I would argue this is an extraordinary level of refusal from the administration of produced information to congress, but these fights have existed before and the crisis. I think really comes if there is a refusal to comply with a court order. I hope we don't get there. Okay. Let's turn now to this very important trip that you've just made, and it couldn't be more timely that we have a we're able to talk to you because in response to the Trump administration's maximum pressure campaign against Iran. You know that Iran has now decided to withhold some parts of its cooperation under the twenty thousand fifteen nuclear deal Senator Romney you said a year ago when President Trump. Pulled out of the deal that it was a bad deal. Do you believe though in the intervening year that the president has advanced US national interest or his own strategy? And how do you react to the fact that Iran is pulling out of some parts of his corporation? Well, I'm not surprised that that Iran is doing what they're doing. There are malign actor, and they're going to use every source of intimidation, they can and threat they can this by the way is this an indication of what would happened if Iran had a nuclear weapon, the kind of threats they're posing towards Europe and towards the world would be only that much more severe I believe, and I indicated this some years ago that President Obama was wrong to enter into a deal with Iran that would allow them to ever have a nuclear weapon, and the president has taken that same view he believes that Iran should not ever be allowed to have a nuclear weapon, and that the only agreement that we should enter into is one where they agreed to dismantle their nuclear capacity, and they abandoned their hopes for every having a nuclear weapon, they don't need one. They got plenty of energy to power their economy. And so the president is exerting economic pressure to make sure that he does everything in his power to get Iran to come back to the table and to abandon their nuclear folly. Let me ask you Senator. Because you have been tweeting a lot about this today. And I think you have a little bit of a different take on it that Senator Romney. I mean, clearly the Iranians are unable to pursue a nuclear military program under this monitored deal, and you have said you've described what the maximum pressure campaign is that it's blind esclation. There's no endgame no overriding strategy no way out escalation for the sake of esscalation. You said it's wildly dangerous and inexcusably dumb in that order. Explain why you believe that. Again, our goal here is the same to make sure that Iran never obtains a nuclear weapon. Of course. I thought that the diplomatic agreement was the best way to get there. And by withdrawing from it, we've given an excuse to the Iranians to back out of at least a portion of the deal as well when we were in Iraq together, we also heard about the decision from the administration to declare elements of the Iranian military as a terrorist organization. There's no defending what the g c has done and who they support. But what I worry about is a series of actions that are pushing the Iranians back towards a nuclear future. And I am hopeful that Senator Romney is right. And that there is a diplomatic path in the near future that the Trump administration get engaged in with the Iranians I just remained skeptical that that is in the offing. I. Worry that at the end of the Trump administration. We will still have in Iran that is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were at the beginning. But our goal remains the same which is to try to support this administration to get back to the negotiating table. Now that the deal has been been breached by both sides of the Senate Senator Romney, I guess the question is what is the strategy. Let's just say this maximum pressure of economic strangulation of Iran that say it works or doesn't work on either side. What is the US hoping or what is it prepared to do what if there is a regime collapsed in Iran, which presumably is the goal of of secretary pump on pale and national security adviser John Bolton what if this ratcheting up sort of causes the US to enter military conflict with Iran as Senator Murphy suggested today. What does the US do about it? And how does that help it achieve its goals? Well, I'm not gonna speculate on on a future that we can't possibly see at this stage. But let's go back to the time when President Obama and secretary of State, John Kerry, where we're putting pressure on Iran. They put economic pressure on Iran. They put in place sanctions to cripple their economy hoping that by doing so they would get around to come to the table and enter into an agreement to abandon their nuclear ambitions that got under the table, but Senator Kerry and President Obama agreed to to allow them to ultimately have a nuclear capacity by saying look we're going to push that down the road for ten years. President Trump and the administration are saying that's not the right way to go. I felt that was a wrong way to go at the time. And they're going back if you will to the policies, we had under President Obama in terms of putting sanctions in place putting economic pressure on Iran making it so difficult there that ultimately their leadership has to come to the table and agreed to abandon ever having a nuclear weapon and. Battling their nuclear nuclear capacity. And that's what President Obama wanted this president wants to achieve that hopefully, he'll be able to achieve that on a permanent basis. And as to what happens if they don't do that why at time will tell but I can't I can't say something that we heard time and again on our trip, which is if the United States of America applies with its full force the kinds of sanctions that it has the capacity to apply the nations have a hard time getting around that. And Iran is going to start feeling the pain, and at some point they may say, you know, what it's time for us to get to the bargaining table and step away from this extraordinary folly of becoming a nuclear power around me. And I think are trying to find the places where we both agree and can work together on a means to constrain Iran's influence, one of the things that we heard in Iraq, as well is that this new government is committed to going out and finding other partners other economic investors in Iraq besides Tehran. And that's something that we can work on together. Try to open up the avenues of economic communication and cooperation for Baghdad into Amman, frankly, indissoluble Arabia. Well, we may not agree on our support for the nuclear agreement. There are plenty of ways in which we can work together to try to have a policy to constrain Iran's influence in the region. Just finally on Iran. You did say that you were concerned that you said in your tweet, we're at war in three places, Afghanistan, Syria. They may soon be Venezuela. And and Iran, what what do you how do you think that might happen? What what do you think might trigger that? And do think there are enough people in congress or in the press who questioning that that strategy because you remember the press was very heavily criticized in the run up to the Iraq war. So I hope the president and his advisers understand that they can't take preemptive military action in Iran without congressional authorization. But what I'm more worried about is a series of accidents or escalatory actions that cause us to fall into kinetic conflict with Iran, and this designation of Shia militias as part and parcel of the I R G C potentially puts us in that position of friction. I think we need to have a secretary of defense as quickly as possible. I think having someone at the top of the department of defense would perhaps prevent us from falling by accident due into a conflict with Iran, and that's something. I hope the administration will take seriously very soon, this dovetails, very very closely with the other part of your trip, which was to Israel and Palestine, we know and Israel has sometimes talks about it. And sometimes not that over the. A couple of years. It's taken some two hundred military strikes against Iranian positions and assets in Syria and Iran has not responded it sat on his hands. And it hasn't responded because we understand that it doesn't wanna be trapped into an escalation or into some kind of military conflict with Israel and with the United States. But I want to ask you about Senator Romney these so-called peace plan that the Trump administration says that it is close to unveiling what sense did you get either from the Israeli Prime Minister of the Palestinian Authority prime minister of what they were expecting. Well, I think we're in the the beneficial position of there being low expectations. Which is they're they're all very fearful what's going to be proposed will not be accessible to them. And yet they don't really know what's going to be proposed. And I'm more optimistic than that. I know that Jared Kushner one of the president's senior advisors has been working on this for some time. He's a very bright and capable person. He spent time working on this great deal of time. And and I hope that he's able to provide an outline of framework for negotiations between Palestinians and Israel. He's the disabled the satisfy the hopes and dreams of Palestinians as well as his rallies. It's not an easy setting by any means, and what we heard was whether we were in Jordan, or in in the Palestinian areas of Ramallah or whether we're in Israel, what we heard was a great deal of anxiety to see what's going to come forward. Some hope some fear, but there's a great there's a great expectation that that there will be a proposal made by the United States that will help bring some closure for the. People that live in that region. I you know, what a lot of people are wondering is given. The fact the President Trump has such a close shoulder to shoulder relationship with prime minister Netanyahu, and that he has already given demonstrated so much in terms of moving the embassy in terms of declaring a decorations over Jerusalem as the capital in terms of unilaterally, recognizing Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights. He's given so much that some people suggest that he would be right to consider Israel to give something back that he's laid. He's laid the groundwork for Israel to have faith in him and to give back at the negotiating table. Senator Murphy, do you think Israel has any intention of pursuing the two state solution of trading? You know, what has to happen under the established peace deals on the prime minister Netanyahu has any intention of of really negotiating. With the Palestinian side. Well, we both talked with the prime minister. My hope is that he remains committed to the two state solution, regardless of some suggestions to the contrary that he made during the campaign. I think that he and many people around him understand that without a two state solution. You are potentially facing a permanent state of affairs in Israel, and the West Bank and Gaza in which you are going to be forced to treat Palestinians as permanent second class, citizens which is something that is rarely are deeply deeply uncomfortable with. And so the two state solution remains the only viable option on the table. Now in Ramallah, we certainly heard from the new prime minister that he does not believe that the United States is an honest broker here. But let me be hopeful for let me you'd be hopeful that ultimately the plan that is proposed surprises me and surprises. The Palestinians in that. It actually requires an asks for. Concessions on both sides. I don't think that that's what the Palestinians believe it will say today, which is why the expectations are low. But no one has seen it. And so it would be foolish for any of us to judge. It ahead of time. And I get the Palestinians thing that they're going to be offered a load of money in return for what I see you nodding your head and the prime minister in Ramada told you that would amount to financial blackmail, and you don't need me to tell you that they are not cooperating negotiating with the United States right now. But I do want to play this sound bite from President Trump who seems to still be committed to the two state solution. Let me just play this thing. I wish they'd solution. That's what I think works best. I don't even have to speak teddy. But that's my feeling now you may have a different feeling. I don't think so. But I think two state solution works best. I don't know what what you think the Palestinians all the Israelis really planned to do to make that happen. And just a quick question to the these Rayleigh prime minister consistently says, he does not have a partner for peace and yet a former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has told me that. Yes, they do a Mahmoud Abbas is the only and still committed partner to peace. Would you agree with that description Senator Romney? Well, I'm not going to disagree with a with a foreign power and their own assessment. But I do believe that there's a great desire for a resolution of the current status of Palestinians living on the West Bank as well as in the Gaza Strip, and and believe that people will come together to reach that resolution. I don't know what the proposal is going to look like, but I think the quote that you just play the President Trump that he's right to say our hope is for a two state solution. Frankly, we didn't hear any alternatives to that in our in our trip. Together, we listened to a number of people about their concerns, but no one came up with a different view. And as Senator Murphy is indicated if there's not going to be ultimately a two state solution. A single state would be very unusual state where you'd have about six and a half million, Palestinians, six and a half million Jews and. Unless you had a a disadvantage or an apartheid type situation. Why it would be very difficult for that to remain a Jewish state. So a two state solution seems like it has the the most merit always open to new ideas. But I think that's the direction that you're going to see that comes forward from the administration and elsewhere to you Senator Murphy all you surprise that the Israeli Prime Minister failed to meet with two such senior US senators who came to his country. I'm not surprised because he did what many of us do after elections. He took a few days off. And we spoke with him at length on the on the phone, listen, I hope that he's a partner for peace. I I hope that this plan ultimately does require concessions on both sides. I tend to be of the belief that if it relies only on economic investment in the Palestinian territories, which by the way, desperately need investment that it won't be enough to bring both sides to the table. And so I have the similar low expectations that we heard in the region, and yet I hope that the president and the prime minister understand that they are in a unique position to push four and deliver concessions that perhaps others aren't in the position to do. And if they are willing to do that, then I would expect and hope that the Palestinians will do the same the jury's out. I must say it's just interesting to hear you both talk about low expectations to what the Trump administration will President Trump called the deal of the century. We'll we'll wait and see gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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So who you might ask put won't to challenge the president in twenty twenty Republican primaries, former Massachusetts Governor Bill, well, that's who he is the quintessential long shop and is worlds apart from Trump on practically everything in fact as a socially liberal fiscally conservative candidate. It's hard to know where to place well in today's political landscape, and he's joining me now from New York to tell us why he's running and whether he thinks he can win. Well, I don't know governor weld welcome to the program without setup. Tell me why have you chosen to run? Why do I have to say that President Trump, and I are too large orange men who have absolutely nothing in common? I really don't think the poor fellow is up to the job. He had absolutely no preparation for. You were asking Senator Romney Senator Murphy earlier, whether you think we're coming to a constitutional crisis. It's obvious to me that President Trump is trying to provoke a constitutional crisis. He's not willing to really join issue and have any serious discussion about any of the issues generated by the Muller report. You know, you had four hundred federal prosecutors former federal prosecutors yesterday signing a letter saying that President Trump clearly committed obstruction of Justice, and no one's even talking about that all the president is saying is we're not going to comply with any subpoenas because their partisan there on one side, and we're on the other. Okay. That is the past to a constitutional crisis. Oh, well, let me just. Oh, well, let me just probe that a little bit now. Because you you obviously you have a long history of prosecutorial involvement an experience you've had experience in the realm of impeachment. But this is what the Senate Republican leader, the leader of the majority in the Senate Mitch McConnell said about the Malla report just isn't it this respect? Special counsel funding is clear case closed. Case closed. This ought to be good news for everyone. But my democratic colleagues to be publicly working through the five stages of grief. Well, what do you say, then this is a Republican the leader of the Senate of your party, the Republican saying case closed while you did hit the previous senators Murphy and Romney saying that it will probably take the course to close any case. I would begin by saying that four hundred or five hundred federal prosecutors yesterday disagreed with the Senate Republican leaders conclusion that the case is closed. They found that there was overwhelming evidence that the president of the United States did commit obstruction of Justice. And I would suggest that the only reason that Mr. Muller didn't seek an indictment for obstruction of Justice is because attorney general bar told him that he would not permit that so and he outranks Mr. Muller in the Justice department. But if Mr. Muller had had a free hand, I think he would have sought that indictment. And by the way, I was one of those four hundred former federal prosecutors who signed that letter yesterday. Well, let's get back to you a challenging the president in the primary. I mean, I said that you were a little bit of an outline in today's political landscape being socially liberal, fiscally conservative. This just put up a little graphic of some of the positions that you've supported when you governor of your own stage of Massachusetts on abortion supporting a woman's right to choose on same sex marriage. You support gay rights on marijuana supporting legalization? And of course, when it comes to the climate, you support the Paris accord and added to that the president is overwhelmingly popular I mean, eighty to ninety percent of the Republicans supportive, and as I said some fifty six percent of the country supports his economic economic performance. What may I mean, what makes you think that you can you know chip away at that role? The polls also say that fifty four percent of the voters in the country are definitely not going to vote for mister Trump in two thousand twenty. So that's not that's not really a good start. I will grant you that Mr. Trump has to. Undying loyalty of the Republican state committee members in each of the fifty states because they were the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee, and the Trump campaign is ordering them to to fall in line. But that's if you think that closes the deal, you're really saying that the party, vases, have to dictate the result of this election. And I think the electorate should be considerably broader than that. And I would mention that twenty states permit crossover voting where a democrat or an independent can take a Republican ballot. So this is not going to be decided by the Republican state committees. And my position on issues such as climate change and the danger to the world from the melting of the polar ice cap if nothing is done to retard that warming process that is a position held widely by millennials by gen Xers. They know that they're going to reap the whirlwind. If nothing is done here. They know that they're gonna reap the whirlwind from the deficit. If nothing is done to cut the deficit. You may recall. That I was rated the most fiscally conservative governor in the United States. When I was in office in Massachusetts. We need an economic conservative in the White House. And Mr. Trump, frankly has shown no sign of being economic conservative. You just raised on the issues. What matters to what apparently is going to be the most significant voting block, and that is the millennials taking over from the baby boomers, I mean just to be a little bit snarky if I might use seventy three years old. The president is also up there at seventy three years old. How are you going to appeal to a rising active young population who wants to vote who want to vote on climate who want to vote on income inequality who want to vote on gender and all the other areas that say of Justice and equality? What's your message to them? Well, Chris down in my political career. I've always been fresh and Minty the uncall-. I if you will those positions that you mentioned that I took in the nineteen ninety s in favor of full, gay and lesbian civil rights in marriage equality. I pointed the woman who wrote the opinion holding that marriage equality is. Constitutionally required. And I'm proud of it. And on that issue. I was twenty years ahead of my time. Everyone thought I was crazy, but you know, millennials identify with people who can take positions like that. I've got three millennials in my house. So I know where where have I speak, and I think my point of view, and their point of view dovetail rather nicely rather than a point of view that decisions as to personal conduct should be made by a bunch of you know. Big white guys in Washington DC who live seven hundred miles away now as a fiscal conservative. Explain what how you would for instance, tackle on this hurtling towards almost irreversible climate change. As the US report says is the UN report says and now people are getting it, and they're out on the streets, certainly the young people. And you've heard the Democrats who are in charge of congress talk about a green new deal. I mean, some of it is going to take whatever you wanna call it a carbon tax a payment some kind of some kind of way to disincentivize the use of fossil fuels where do you stand on on the policy on climate change? And what it takes to mitigate it. First of all the green new deal is somewhat over the top. Whether it has to say about energy and renewable that's fine. But it also says no more oppression. Everyone has a guaranteed income. I mean, it's a it's a everybody's wishlist thrown into one bucket. But on on what to do on clay. Change. I think you rejoin Paris, you adopt standards for co two emissions in two thousand and fifty that are consonant with consistent with the standards agreed to by other industrialized powers. I do not believe as Mr. Trump maintains that the future of energy is Colin oil. That's ridiculous. The future of energy is renewables. It's it's wind and solar. We have a lot of hydro from Canada. And I myself believe that up to twenty five percent, maybe even higher of our base should come from nuclear power. The biggest reduction in co two emissions ever recorded was when France I forget, whether it's the seventies of the eighties moved to these small nuclear plants to account for seventy five percent of their energy now and they've never had a problem. And we could have the same thing in the United States. I've traveled in a lot of wide open counties where people would love to have a nuclear plant. There are very good safe neighbor and a very major employer. We gotta get serious about the the energy mix if we want to combat climate change, and I am serious about it. And I want to combat it. I I guess you'll have a bit of a toss to convince people now of the safety because this was as you mentioned in Europe on the role nuclear power until Fukushima and what happened with the soon army and Japan. But but clearly a lot of people are thinking about that. Because it does what you say it does. But you talked about party bus. Okay. Carry on. I'm just going to say we don't have to build a humongous nuclear plant on a barrier. Reef, which is what happened in Fukushima? We can do it. The way was done in in western Europe. And people have been saying for a long time. Why don't they invent something that could create almost limitless amount of power and has zero carbon emissions? They have invented such thing. It's called the atom right now, you said that it won't be local party bosses who decide and yet your own state GOP party has now decided winner-takes-all in the primaries not proportional representation. So that's that's a probably a problem for you, potentially. And then, you know. You did you did announce your candidacy in April fifteenth, but it's sort of when unnoticed President Trump is studiously avoiding, you know, nicknames. No tweeting. No, nothing and even some Republican congress colleagues are not not quite clear that you've entered the race. How are you going to make a splash governor Republican colleagues in Washington, they're all whistling past the graveyard and saying I'm happy happy happy and a bunch of people in Washington in both parties really only care about one thing, which is demonizing the other party. So they can scare their base into giving so much money that they can get reelected. That's not my mindset when I was in office. I was the national chairman of US term limits. So I don't see the the situation the same way officeholders in Washington, do and I think what we need in Washington is a good dose of what I did in my two terms as governor reaching across the aisle. To the other party and getting solutions that work for all the people. I don't see that from from this president from President Trump. I see a lot of bravura a lot of bragging. And I see frankly, you know, insecurity. I think that Mr. Trump we now know from his tax returns to came out for a decade in one sense. He's the biggest loser in the United States because he lost more money. According to the New York Times anyone else in the United States. So I just and he has a famous temper when the mullahs report was coming out. Everyone said we fear the president's wrath. You simply shouldn't have a president of the United States whose head is so full of anger that he can't seem to focus on the substance of issues. And I think that is the case with this man governor. Well, thank you very much. Indeed for joining us tonight. Thank you Christiane. So what makes breaks any presidential bid is cold hot cash? It also, of course, dominates ordinary everyday life. But the way we use money is rapidly evolving over the past decade, we've seen the rise and fall and rise again of cryptocurrencies like bitcoin, so. How do we figure out this digital money of the future? Hari Sreenivasan got answers from Nayan Rula, the director of the digital currency initiative at the MIT media lab. To just so we have a baseline understanding people have kind of different ideas of what crypto currencies are what is it? Well, the idea is that about ten years ago, we figured out how to use cryptography which is a field in mathematics. It's about keeping information hidden or proving the integrity of information, and we figured out how to apply that to money. So you can actually use the clever application of cryptography, you can actually. Secure the transfer of money and payments without needing a trusted third party. That's the basic idea behind cryptocurrency. The what could you do with the crypto currency that you can't do with the money? We have today. I mean, you've described the money that will millions with as a collective story explained that. Yeah. So money isn't really necessarily something objective. The idea behind money is that we've all sort of landed on the same form of it. We've decided that certain pieces of paper are worth something decided that bars that are colored a certain way and have a certain chemical composition are worth something. And these choices are in some way, slightly arbitrary. But in other ways, not at all they represent an entire network of human beings who've come together and agreed upon a story. Like, you said, so when you start to think about money that way when you start to think about value that way, you start to realize that hey, I can start to imagine money that isn't necessarily. Based on government or a mineral or a piece of paper. But instead money that is just digital and just really exists because people think it's valuable okay in this new crypto world, there's this idea called blockchain explained that. Yeah. So it's really interesting that the word blockchain has taken off on. It's it's sort of it's hard to decipher what's behind it. Exactly. So the blockchain is the data structure behind crypto currencies. So it's basically a ledger. It's it's a list the idea behind it is that there are a lot of computers, sometimes thousands all around the world running the same software and that software is sending transactions around and is maintaining this ledger, which we call the blockchain. So if you gave me four dollars of some sort of crypto currency, the computer network is deciding and making sure that you have four less dollars that I have four more dollars on those dollars didn't go anywhere else. Exactly. If you think about. Account balances. Right. If I pay you you debit, my count, you credit your account. That's the basic idea. These transactions are just transfers of value and the blockchain is just a giant list of all of these transactions. And so as long as everybody agrees on what the transactions are. Then we all agree on who has what money so give me some examples of how blockchain technologies or crypto currencies could impact different industries of our lives. So I think it goes back to that idea of this open permission list network. We haven't really had that for digital money before before crypto currencies came around the only way to make a digital payment was to involve a Bank in some way. Now with the advent of cryptocurrencies, we're actually seeing ways making digital payments that where you don't need to go through the banking system. The real sort of interesting idea behind cryptocurrency is this idea that you can just start playing around with value moving value taking payments, creating new. Forms of financial assets without asking for permission, a lot of people like to make an analogy to the internet the internet gave us a way of describing data. So we could take data, and we could send it around the world in an instant. We didn't have to really think about it too much because we had the set of protocols that anybody could use you don't have to ask someone's permission to go. Visit a website or to make a Google search or something like that you can just do it. And that's the idea that we want to apply to value. And if you did that for value, what are the kinds of efficiencies that you gain? So right now, if I wanted to give you let's say, it's not cash, and I wanted to give you a credit card payment of twenty five dollars. I have to probably give you a credit card number or maybe I can swipe it through my phone and somewhere along the line someone's making a couple of bucks off of that transaction, right? So if I did this to a crypto currencies. How's that different? How's that more efficient? If a Bank is not involved actually crypto currencies are less efficient. Crypto currencies are pretty slow and clunky right now. But I think it's the idea of them. That's really exciting. So right now. Everybody takes credit cards might credit card works pretty much everywhere. It's not a problem, but we live in the United States. We're in New York right now. That's not definitely not the case everywhere in the world. There are several billion on banked people in the world who don't have access to digital financial services and part of the reason for that is not because it's technically impossible to Bank them or to give them access to payments and financial services. It's just hasn't been in the economic interest of the existing financial intermediaries to do. So and so they haven't had access they haven't been able to they haven't had been served in terms of payments, who if they're serve I mean, that's that's your on boarding. So to speak of a couple of billion new people that could be customers could be engaged in this system. What are things? So is there is there a possibility then that there are parts of? The world that completely leapfrog our banking system as we know it and go directly onto a blockchain based or crypto currency model. Because all they care about is making sure that that vendor that they're dealing with whether they're buying groceries or whatever gets that value. And that person says, Yep, you're good for it. Right. That's see. That's the dream. What we're seeing is. We're seeing almost like a little mini parallel financial systems sprang up where everything is done via blockchain technology. Things are token is digitized your trading assets on exchanges things like that. So far it hasn't really taken off, and it's very very small compared to the rest of the financial industry. But it's a really interesting experiment and a lot of people because again of that open permission list nature. A lot of people are building new things on top of it. And they're gonna figure something out. You mean example, something going to figure out so and twenty eighteen we saw a lot of people using blockchain technology to raise money now. Unfortunately, a lot of these things were scammy, and it was sort of the wild wild west. A lot of people were circumventing financial regulation, but people were able to experiment with really interesting funding models people could list a token on an exchange and start collecting money along stock. Yeah. Almost immediately and they didn't have to register. They didn't have to hire a lawyer. While a lot of them did hire lawyers because that's the smart thing to do. But and they were able to think about sort of different types of properties that could come. Along with that. So it's not just that you're a traditional stock investor people are experimenting with all sorts of things. Like, hey, maybe I will pay a few cents in order to up vote this post that I really like so these initial coin offerings that you're talking about kind of like public offering of stock saying to the world here. I am you can buy a coin that means you sort of have some faith in what I'm about to do. Yeah. Initial coin offerings where it's a play on the word on initial public offering IPO's ICO's an IPO's and the idea behind them is that instead of hiring a giant investment Bank to issue shares and to sell shares in yourself to the public. You'll just do it yourself. You'll just do it through a website through blockchain technology, and a lot of people did that and the way that it works is you sort of set up a an offering of these tokens these tokens kind of or like stock shares you issue them and offer them to. The public and people can buy them if they believe in your project. So with this came an enormous speculative bubble there were a lot of people who had no understanding of what the technology was. They watched the news and they saw. Oh, wow. Bitcoin's worth more today. Oh my gosh. I've got to get in on this who do I know a friend of a friend and all of a sudden, you know. Does that do more damage or now that bubble has sort of started to collapse a bit that shaking off those speculators who don't understand it? And the people who are kind of in it here there either for the long haul or they understand a little bit more of what they're investing in. We saw the price of cryptocurrencies go pretty high pretty remarkably high in a lot of people were very intrigued about what's going on. How are how is this happening? Can I make money with this? That's financial speculation. It's not the part of what's happening that excites me. The most what excites me is really the underlying technology. And so I think when the price crashes sort of weeds out a lot of the people who are just in it for the financial speculation their their countries. Like India who have looked at this and said, listen, there are people getting fleeced were there thinking about writing laws just say we don't want anything to do with this stuff. Is that even possible the regularly? That's a great question. I am not sure. That it is possible to regulate I think that the entire way. This technology is designed is it's trying to be designed in a way that can circumvent these types of regulations if it like the internet was designed exactly Woodstock war and oppression and everything else if you can get anywhere on the network. You can transact information, right? Exactly. The design is to be as resilient as possible. I think that we have to find a way to coexist with these networks with crypto currencies the way that we coexist with the internet. One of the concerns has been that as this resilience increases over time. It also makes it that much harder to weed out some of the sort of bad actors in this space, if for example, there was that site silk road that had, you know, transacting in horrible stuff, not just drugs but weapons and possibly even human trafficking and people were trying to say, how do we how do we shut this down? There's no paper trail. It's not like somebody used your credit card where I can say, okay. This is. Where the transaction happened. This is the Bank that had happened through. This is the person who did it and is the person who received it. I can go get both sides and stop this right governments need to be able to police enforce. Absolutely. The question is where does it happen? I think that a lot of the times we rely on the financial system to do enforcement. And I'm just not sure that's going to work in the future so much the way as soon as you post something on the internet. It's out there, and you can't take it back. I think we're going to have to sort of accept the fact that they're going to be ways of transferring value that can't necessarily be stopped. Now that doesn't mean that we can't have law enforcement and that criminals are going to run rampant. It just means that we have to think about how to enforce these schools at a different layer in the system. What's a good mix of regulations has there their country out there. That's doing it. Right yet. A lot of countries are doing really different things. So you have some countries which are thinking of banning crypto currencies are have already been them. You have some countries, which are definitely taking a wait and see approach. Let's see what happens. I think what Singapore is doing is really interested. Interesting Singapore's regulator is very engaged. They're doing experiments. They are thinking about how to evaluate different companies and businesses or thinking about sandboxes. And so they're being really open to the technology water things that you can do crypto currencies that in in the world of contracts and everything else. How how's this money capable of being smarter than what I have in my pockets? So I think one example that that really helps is to think about micro payments. It would be very cool if I could pay for things in a more granular level if I could pay for exactly what I consume if I could tip people tiny amounts of money. People are also thinking about things like. More methods of funding kind of like crowdfunding letting people come together and decide to pull their assets and invest together, I think that basically every financial instrument you see on Wall Street today, even the most complex will eventually be rewritten. As software as a program that runs on a blockchain, and can do whatever it is the investment Bank was doing but with crypto assets, I've heard that for example, that this public ledger can be used for lots of things, even for example, tracking a piece of food all the way through the chain from the from farm all the way into your burrito. Yeah. So what's really interesting is that cryptocurrencies have kind of inspired people to take a look at cryptography and some of the technologies behind Blockchain's and use them in all sorts of ways. And so one thing that's become really interesting is sort of making our data and making our systems, more, transparent and more verifiable. Right now, our data is pretty opaque. It lives inside of companies, and we don't necessarily have access to it all the time. And we can't necessarily decide how it's used or even track. How it's used the really cool thing about Blockchain's. Is that that Blockchain's kind of turn? All of that upside down, the data becomes something that is very specifically tracked and can be cryptographic verified. And so we're seeing people apply this to the supply chain world, it seems like a really natural fit. A lot of people are very concerned about where the food. They're eating is coming from. So people are really interested in trying to figure out. Hey, how do I get finer grain tracking? How can I go up to someone and convince them cryptographic -ly that this tuna that they're about to buy has been sustainably harvested, for example? And so people are applying these technologies at different points in supply chains. It's almost you're describing something I guess almost like when you look up your your FedEx or UPS. Number. There's a little dot that says, okay, it's gotten to this point. And then at this point the facility left this. So you could do that with two now you can do that with lettuce and at that point safe. There's something bad that happens at the end, you can trace it right back to where the source was exactly. And it's kind of cool to know, exactly. Where your food comes from? And it's a really neat property to be able to provide or even electronic health records. If there was a way to keep them safe. And know exactly who touched what part of my health data. Right. So saying, okay, this doctor can have access to everything, but they don't necessarily need access to this other stuff. Exactly people really interested in applying this technology to medical healthcare records. I think that you talked to doctors, and you talk to patients, and they're just frustrated they have to take these printed files with them from doctor to doctor, and it's really annoying and frustrating, and I think applying these ideas to the medical health care profession could be really nice could be really helpful. We're are we in terms of the evolution of all of this? I mean, put it in terms of like, you know, a car versus a horse. Buggy bugging. Yeah. So I think we're just about the point when maybe you can drive your car down the street before it explodes. So we are still we are still very much at the beginning of stages of this technology. It's moving really fast faster than I ever thought. It would which is really exciting to see. 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Interview with South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg on his campaign for President in 2020; Interview with Rep. Liz Cheney on the shutdown negotiations and Syria troop withdrawal; Interview with Sen. Chris Murphy on the Virginia scandals and the Green New Deal;

"Virginia in crisis, the top three officials all Democrats refused to resign. One calling for due process and denying to allegations of sexual assault. The embattled governor says he wants to atone for his past racist behavior. But will that be enough? We'll have the latest details on the campaign trail a growing democratic field floods zone in early primary states. I am. This. The way me with love voters looking for a fresh face the mayor in the midwest in his thirties democratic presidential candidate mayor Pete Buddha. Jets joins us live deadline looming. President Trump heading to Texas to rally support for his border wall walls, save lives. But with just days to stave off another shutdown lawmakers strike a deal, except we'll talk to Republican congresswoman Liz Cheney democratic Senator Chris Murphy in moments. Long Jake tapper in Washington where the state of our union is focused on twenty twenty Democrats are hitting the campaign trail across the country this weekend traveling too early primary and caucus states is two major contenders. Enter the race this weekend democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts officially launched. Her bid Saturday challenging the system she says rigged for the rich and calling President Trump a symptom of which wrong in America Senator Amy klobuchar from Minnesota is expected to announce his running later this afternoon twenties also clearly on President Trump's mine Saturday. He lashed out at Senator Warren on Twitter alluding to her past claims of native American status for which she has apologized. The president appeared to make a joking reference to the tragic trail of tears relocation and genocide of native Americans one unexpected issue. The twenty twenty candidates have been forced to confront on the trail that continued controversies rounding the top three officials in Virginia. All Democrats are now two women accusing Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax of sexual assault and late Saturday. Both women announced they would be willing to testify in any impeachment hearings. Fairfax maintains the encounters were consensual and says he should be given due process. One twenty twenty candidate who has had to respond to all of this on the trail, the mayor of south bend, Indiana, Pete Buddha jet. She's a Rhodes scholar navy veteran who served in Afghanistan and who's running to make history as the youngest president ever elected and the first openly gay man to serve in that role. And he joins me now. Mayor judge welcome to state of the union. Thank you so much for being with us. Good morning. Thanks for having me. So I wanna start with what's going on in Virginia. You said you don't see how Lieutenant governor. Fairfax can continue to lead anymore after these two accusations one of sexual assault one of rape Fairfax's calling for an investigation. Adding, quote, I'm asking that no one rushed to judgment. And I'm asking for there to be space in this moment for due process. What is the standard for you to call for someone to step down is is the accused entitled to do process before? He's forced to resign. You're certainly entitled to do process in. Criminal investigation when it comes to the question of holding political office. I think it's really a matter of whether you can affect lead. And when you have somebody, especially at this very sensitive time for the office of Lieutenant governor when you have somebody facing multiple credible accusations. I just don't see how he can continue to serve. Meanwhile, governor rough north them is fending off his own calls to resign after he admitted to wearing black face in nineteen Eighty-four. He told the Washington Post yesterday that he wants to focus on racial inequality in areas such as housing and healthcare over the rest of his term is that good enough for you is is a is a gubernatorial term atonement and racial reconciliation good enough. Or or do you still think he should resign? Well, it doesn't seem to me that he has the confidence. That's required in him in order to continue to lead the state. Unfortunately, the way he handled those those allegations and revelations seems to have made things even worse. And I think that's why you see a pretty strong sense among leaders in Virginia. And by the way, this is of course, something for Virginians to figure out, but they seem to be pretty unified that they want a new governor and leadership that can carry that state forward. Let's talk about some issues. Several twenty twenty candidates or backing new resolution, which outlines what's called a green new deal. It was introduced by congresswoman Alexandria, Akasa Cortez in the house and Senator Ed Markey. In the Senate this plan calls for quote, removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as Technic logically feasible with a ten year outline, obviously something like that would completely overhaul industries across the midwest, including an Indiana. Do you have any concerns about how the green deal might affect your? Constituents or your state. Well, like a lot of other things that have come along and impacted us in the industrial midwest trade comes to mind, we gotta make sure this time around that it's done in a way that benefits us the benefits workers more than it harms them. Look, there's always going to be changed and disruption as a town that grew up around the auto industry producing Studebaker until the nineteen sixties. We know firsthand what those disruptions can mean. But there's also tremendous opportunity here. Look, we're not only being disrupted by economic change. We're being disrupted by climate change. We have had multiple cases two different cases of floods historic floods here in south bend of the kind that we're told to expect every thousand years or so and they happened within eighteen months of each other. So this is a national emergency in the I think the elegance from a policy perspective of the concept of the green new deal is it matches a sense of urgency about that problem of climate change with a sense of opportunity around what the solutions might represent even. Right now. One of the biggest recent announcements in our county of added union jobs in the auto industry was facility making electric vehicles. I think green new deal would promote that. And so that could be good news for us here in the industrial midwest, do you endorse the Marquis Cossio Cortes, green new deal? Yes. I think it's the right beginning, look, it's a framework, obviously, the green new deal as we've seen it. So far is more of a plan than it is a fully articulated set of policies, but the idea that we need to race toward that goal. And that we should do it in a way that enhances the economic Justice and the level of economic opportunity in our country. I believe that's exactly the right direction to be going in. Everybody's going to have their going. Everybody's going to have their own twists or features. They're going to add as a mayor. I'd like to see it funding more things that would help our cities become sustainable, and there are other developments that are going to have to come along to establish exactly how we can meet those goals, but they are the right goals, especially if you come at this from. Generational perspective for me. The question of what the world is going to look like in twenty fifty four which is when I'm going to reach the current age of the current president. That's not a theoretical question. That's a personal question. And it's very clear that we can't go on like this. I mean, these weather extremes. We're experiencing now are what we were warned about to expect in these years in the seventies and eighties by science shudder to think about the fact that God willing I'll be alive to see the consequences in the twentieth. Fifties of the predictions that are being made right now you've said that young people don't see as much conflict between the concept of capitalism, and the concept of socialism as past generations have seen President Trump has been pretty clear that he's going to try to use the idea of socialism as a point of attack against Democrats. Take a listen to what he said at the state of the union address. Here in the United States. We are alarmed by the new calls to adopt socialism in our country tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country. Are you worried at all that that might be an effective attack against Democrats? I think he's clinging to rhetorical strategy. That was very powerful when he was coming of age fifty years ago, but it's just a little bit different right now. I know if you grew up during that Cold War period, then you saw a time in politics when the word socialism could be used to end argument today. I think a word like that is the beginning of the debate not the end of debate. Look America is committed to democracy, and we are essentially a market based economy, but you can't you can no longer simply kill off a line of discussion about a policy by saying that, it's socialists. If someone my age younger is weighing a policy idea and somebody comes along and says, you can't do that. Socialist. I think our answer is going to be okay. Is it a good idea? Or is it not? And that word is also lost its power, especially when you think about the way it was applied to characterize, for example, the a Nigeria that was immoral conservative before it will. Obamacare, invented by a conservative think-tank relying on market principles implemented, first by Republican governor. And they said that was socialist. So I think the word has mostly lost. It's meaning and certainly lost its ability to be used as a kill switch onto bait. Earlier on the show. You said that you'll be President Trump's age in twenty fifty four. You're thirty seven years old. You're the youngest candidate in the democratic field. If elected UB the youngest president ever, President Trump is the oldest president ever elected president. You've said it's time for a quote new generation in American leadership. Does that inherently mean that it's time for the older generations politicians over seventy their time has come and gone? They shouldn't run. Well, I think there's an opportunity for different generations to come together. It's one of the things I saw firsthand when I was in Iowa over the last couple of days talking to voters the only group that was more interested in generational change than the youngest voters. I met the voters who were about my parents age, and I think that shows that if you're from an older. Ration- you care about the world that you're leaving. If you're from my generation, you're thinking about the world that we're going to continue living into I do think that those of us who are from younger generation have a very personal very direct stake. And I think it's not an accident that the whole country right now in terms of our policy debate is responding to proposals put forward by a member of congress who's even younger than I am. All right, mayor Buddha. Jess, thanks so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. Thank you. Democrats are hailing sweeping new proposal climate change the wise, President Trump applauding their efforts on Twitter. Plus lawmakers are working on a compromise to avoid another government shutdown, but we'll President Trump sign onto the deal. We'll ask the number three House Republican conference tearless Cheney next day with us. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place. You can go were hiring is simple, fast and smart that places ZipRecruiter with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job. Ziprecruiter is so effective that eighty percent of employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive web address ZipRecruiter dot com slash so too. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash S OT. You ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. State of the union. I'm Jake tapper President Trump is heading to the border town of El Paso tomorrow. Trying to keep the focus on his border wall. Just days before the government is said to partially shut down again over wall funding on Capitol Hill. Lawmakers are trying to seem hopeful that they can come up with a deal that the president will agree to the latest Goshi center around about two billion dollars for border barriers. That is short of the five point seven billion dollars. President Trump said he wanted joining me now to discuss this much more the third ranking Republican in the house conference chair. Liz Cheney the congresswoman joins us from casper, Wyoming, congresswoman, good to see you. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, Jake, great to be with you. So the federal government will partially shut down on Friday, if President Trump and congress cannot find a compromise on the president's border wall. Do you think Republicans in congress can convince President Trump to sign off on about two billion dollars for border barriers? Or are you more skeptical? Do you think we're headed for another shutdown? Well, I certainly hope we're not headed for another shutdown. I think the president's been clear and the Republicans in the house have certainly been clear that we absolutely got a secure the border. You know, I thought it was interesting when you watched the negotiations that have been going on between the are bipartisan and bi-cameral committee when the committee members had a chance to go visit the border when the committee members had a chance to to hear from border patrol agents themselves testimony, it really made a difference. I think and I think that there's there's bipartisan agreement we got to secure the border. I think there are some members of leadership on the democratic side in particular speaker Pelosi who really is out there on her own saying things like walls are immoral and she will only allow one dollar for a wall the American people want the border secure. So I'm hopeful that this committee will be able to come up with a proposal that we can all support that the president can sign, but it's going to have to include funding that will allow us to secure the border, and it'll have to include funding for some sort of a barrier. So but two billion dollars. Radically. You're not agreeing right now at anything, but two billion dollars for border barriers would would be a compromise for you that you would be willing to accept the radically. Well, you're not going to be surprised Jake. I'm not gonna go sheet about it this morning on your show. I think it's going to have to be sufficient funds through, you know, an agreement hopefully that we can reach that will enable us to know that moving forward will be able to to have a wall have a barrier on those parts of the border where it's really necessary. And you know, I think there's been a lot of of mistrust out there about this. You've seen the Democrats try to suggest that we wanna build a two thousand mile long wall. That's absolutely not the case. But what we're talking about is something that's very practical where it's necessary where it's needed where our border patrol agents say that it will help us control and stop that the flood of illegal immigrants across the border. We need to have a border wall. I wanna turn to foreign policy ticket. Listen to President Trump at the state of the union address. As a candidate for president. I loudly pledged a new approach. Great nations. Do not fight endless wars. It is time to give up. Brave warriors in Syria, a warm, welcome home. So President Trump said he's probably gonna make a formal announcement. This week announcing that the US led coalition now controls one hundred percent of ISIS territory in Syria. You're on the House Armed Services committee. Why not bring the troops home? Well, I think several things number one. We've we've done tremendous work both in Syria as well as an Afghanistan, but in Syria, the issues, not the territorial control in Syria. The issue is whether or not we're able to ensure that ISIS doesn't reconstitute and we've got about we've had about twenty two hundred special operations forces there. They've been doing crucially important work that you can only do from there providing air support providing artillery support helping to work with the local forces to really help ensure the defeat of ISIS, it's got to be an enduring defeat though. And so when you got a situation like we have now where you're you've seen the caliphate. As the president is saying there will be this. Now, isn't that the caliphate has been one hundred percent taken back? I hope that's right. But but you cannot be we can't be fooled into thinking. You know, if we just withdraw the troops. Now, we come home is is won't reconstitute that we've got to ensure that we do everything necessary to prevent them from forming safe havens, we know that there are. Significant numbers of ISIS fighters still in Syria today, and we we don't wanna have to go back. Again. I think that would come at much greater cost of lives and treasure. So this you an your philosophy at odds with President Trump you've defined victory in the Middle East as quote that we don't have another nine eleven adding quote that may require that were there for a long time. How do you respond to the president's criticism? Your approach essentially means having US servicemembers in Syria and Afghantistan indefinitely. I think first of all President Trump has had tremendous success across the board on a whole range of national security issues. He was absolutely right to withdraw from the Iran nuclear agreement absolutely right to withdraw to announce that we will withdraw from the IMF. He's had tremendous success in his Dengue's actually, the right thing in terms of resources for the Pentagon over the last two years. And so I support very much what he's done there. But I think that in the same way that we saw with President Obama. You do not end a war by withdrawing from the battlefield. And when President Obama did that, and he was ju- our forces from Iraq precipitously, you ended up with civil war in Syria. You ended up with the rise of ISIS you ended up with the caliphate. I don't wanna see us go down that path again. So I think it's very important for us to remember, the Taliban al-qaeda is embedded with the Taliban enough ghanistan, the Taliban will not live up to any negotiated deal. That we set with them the notion that were somehow going to have an ago, she ate a deal. With the Taliban that we can take their word that they won't allow al-qaeda to have safe havens, again is is in in my view irresponsible. We've got to ensure that our forces are there based on the conditions on the ground not based on frankly, what has been rand Paul's approach. Which is you know, what I've just decided? It's too long. We're gonna come home. You don't win wars that way. You don't keep the nation safe that way, I wanted to take a look at something. The president tweeted last night he wrote quote today, Elizabeth Warren sometimes referred to by me Pocahontas joined the race for president. Will she run as our first native American presidential candidate or has decided that after thirty two years this is not playing so well anymore. So you on the campaign trail, Liz that were trail in all camps apparent reference to the tragedy the trail of tears just a few weeks ago. The president also made a reference to wounded knee and joking manner when talking about Elizabeth Warren you represent thousands of native Americans in Wyoming. Do you have concerns about the president joking about these horrific tragedies? I have concerns about somebody like Elizabeth Warren Warren pretending to be native American. You know, you're absolutely right. I do represent, you know, thousands of data Americans here in Wyoming, and the notion that that anybody of any political party would pretend that they were a member of tribe or pretend that they would have American and would do it as she seems to have done it in order to get benefits that is in my view the disgrace. And so I, you know, she's made herself laughing stock. You know, you I wonder whether or not anybody around or saying, you know, it's time to say this just isn't gonna work because I think at this point, you know, each time she sort of tries to take one more step to show that she wasn't claiming membership at tribe or Laming that she wasn't eight of American in order to get benefits. We see that. It wasn't true. So what you're saying about Elizabeth Warren? But what about the language the president uses and the joking references to genocide against native Americans. Elizabeth Warren has made herself laughing stock, and I don't think anybody should be surprised that that that's been the reaction to to her and to her continued claims and we saw just last week. You know, that she she said she was a native American on her application for membership in at least one state bar association wonders whether or not that's grounds for disbarments. If you misrepresent yourself on your application to the bar. I'd say it probably is grounds for disbarments. So you know, she she's made herself laughing stock. I think the longer that she's out there the more that people are going to be talking about this. And it's just it's clear that you know, she somebody who can't be trusted. No comment on what the president of the congresswoman Liz Cheney. Thank you so much for joining us hope to have you back again sometime soon have fun in Wyoming. Thanks, take good to be. With you Saudi Arabia's denying any connection to the league of Amazon CEO Jeff basis text messages to the National Enquirer. So what exactly debate us mean when he referred to a Saudi connection, we're gonna talk to a member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee next stay with us. A book dotcom vacation includes a beautiful all inclusive beach resort with all meals, all drinks, including alcohol activities taxes. 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So I want to start with this crisis in Virginia with the three top officials. And specifically I want to ask you about one. That's very pressing this weekend Lieutenant governor Fairfax has called for an investigation into the allegations against him from two women citing the need for due process. He added, quote, our American values don't just work when it's convenient. They must be applied at the most difficult of times. Many Democrats have called for him to step down in light of these allegations of sexual assault in two thousand four alleged and a rape alleged in two thousand what's your standard for determining whether or not somebody should have to resign. These very serious allegations talking about sexual assault and rape. And the question is whether you can continue to perform his duties, well, he is trying to. Litigate these very serious claims. And I tend to defer to people like Tim gane Mark Warner when it comes to Virginia politics they've called on him to step down that certainly seems to be the right move for me again, these are very serious allegations. And it's just not clear to me how he can continue to do his job. Well, he's trying to contest these claims. I guess the argument he's he's making here is he deserves to process like anyone else deserves process. And I just wonder what the standard is because I don't think we've really ever had national conversation. Obviously, it's great that society has evolved. And now, we're taking accusations made by women seriously, and that didn't use to be the case. But by the same token is just one credible accusation is more than one credible accusation where does due process fall into it. I just don't think that there's any one standard. Well, I think the nature of the allegations do matter and these allegations are serious one of these allegations is an allegation of rape. That's a crime that you can go to jail for for a very long time. And so I think you have to look. At the circumstances of every case, these are serious. Meanwhile, the government's just five days away from another potential government shutdown. Democrats have previously vowed not to give the president any money for any wall. But there's this group of bipartisan lawmakers working on a compromise that according to sources couldn't include up to two billion dollars if not more for border barriers whatever you wanna call them a wall border barriers is it fair to assume that Democrats will end up supporting at least some funding for some sort of barrier at the border at the end of the day. The budget Bill that we passed in the Senate through committee last year provided for one point six billion dollars in new border security money, and of course, members of the Senate voted in the past for border security money, including barrier funding. I think the problem now is that we've only got about seven months left on the fiscal year. So I don't think the president can actually spend much more than two billion dollars. But of course, we're willing to compromise. Of course, we're willing to put more money into border security. I'll be interested to see. With the compromise looks like before I commit to voting for it or against it tragedy. Here Jake is that we should be able to do a bigger comprehensive immigration reform Bill and the president two years ago had the ability to take twenty five billion dollars for border security in exchange for fro protection for the dreamers and didn't take it. I hope we can have that bigger conversation sometime soon. But I think he would argue that it was authorized, but not appropriated. But I don't wanna get into the weeds of all that back in October you and the rest of the Senate Foreign Relations committee invoked the law that requires President Trump to determine whether or not the Saudi Crown prince B was responsible directly or indirectly for the death of journalist gem alpha Shuki that deadline came and went on Friday with no response from the White House. The White House saying that the president quote maintains his discretion to decline to act on congressional committees requests when appropriate your response, this isn't an informal committee request the law requires that when the chairman and the ranking member of the foreign relations committee ask the PR. Residents and make a finding as to a human rights violation overseas. He has to respond. Yes, respond. That's what the law says. So he doesn't have an option here. Now, I understand why he doesn't want to make this determination. His intelligence services are telling him that mama bin Salman was responsible and because either of a personal relationship he has or a business relationship. He has with Saudi Arabia. He is declining to make that finding congress. But this isn't his general executive discretion. He has to under the law. He didn't make it a germination and he didn't. So what? So what now I mean as I soon we can go to court to try to make the president comply with this law. We can raise political pressure as we will this year or we can just move forward with sanctions. And I think that's probably the most appropriate step doesn't have to wait for the president to fill his duty. We can just make it a termination ourselves Zamman. Zamman ordered these Motors. And there should be some kind of penalty and repercussion for that. Speaking of murky situations with the Saudis, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos wrote and extraordinary essay on medium this week accusing the National Enquirer parent company of trying to stored him over explicit photographs sent to his extramarital girlfriend in that essay basis refers to quote, the Saudi angle he seems to be suggesting he and his team seem to be suggesting the Saudis had something to do with the National Enquirer of -taining these explicit photographs what do you make? I really don't know what to make of it. So I'm hoping that the Saudis nothing to do with a very oblique reference. So it's hard for policymakers to understand. But what we do know is that foreign governments are constantly trying to infiltrate the American political process and one of the reasons why we worry about President Trump, and I'm taking a stronger stand on what the Russians did in two thousand sixteen is that it seems to be an invitation for others to try to manipulate our political process. Other ways. So I don't know anything about Jeff basis is sort of openly claims. But I know that this is a constant problem that we have to vigilant about you cosponsored a resolution outlining a green new deal in the Senate this week. It calls for a sweeping overhaul. The entire US economy in ten years by quote meeting. One hundred percent of the power demanding the United States through clean renewable in zero emission energy. Sources a fellow Senator who caucuses with the Democrats independent Senator Angus king of Maine as well as Obama former energy secretary Ernest. Money's say, they don't think that this plan is realistic. I think it's absolutely realistic. I frankly think we need to set our sights high. There are a lot of people who said that it wasn't realistic for the United States to get a man on the moon by the end of the nineteen sixties when president Kennedy Kennedy initially outlined that goal, but we did it. And I think we have to set our sights high. I have a ten year old seven year old global warming is an ecstasy central threat to the planet. And so if we don't. Don't come in this country thing big about saving our nation and our world from destruction that I don't think we're going to get close to meeting the Mark. All right. Have a lot more questions about the green deal? Hopefully, come back. We'll meet during the week or another Sunday. Senator Murphy, thanks so much for being. Thank you. President Trump wasted. No time attacking Lisbeth Warren over her campaign kickoff does that mean the president things? Warren is the one to beat will discuss next with us. Hey, your confidence is important and sometimes one change can make all the difference hair. Club knows this and they're inviting you to become part of the hair club family to see how getting the most out of your hair can change your life. 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Senator Booker Jila brand to two thousand twenty Democrats in early voting states this weekend, both of them responding to the scandals plaguing Democrats in Virginia many of them calling for Lieutenant governor just in Fairfax to resign. Fairfax says he isn't going anywhere. At least not yet. Let's with our experts who you're and you're the former attorney general for the Commonwealth of Virginia. What's going on in your state, top three officials all Democrats under fire? Well, all within a week all of these things exploding and literally almost two day increments. Starting with the governor. Of course, with his black face pictures was what took this national. It isn't what it started in Virginia. And then Justin Fairfax only two days later with the first sexual assault allegation. And you saw two twenty twenty democrat contenders their reference the second alligators. But when the first one came out he immediately came out and was shooting at the accuser rhetorically speaking, of course, in the Washington and using the Washington Post as. Shield and they immediately called him out on that. So he is really violated rule number one when you're in a hole, stop digging. And now he's saying I'm not going anywhere. But tomorrow, I expect Democrats to submit a resolution of impeachment in Virginia, and that will begin a process that has not been used in Virginia in our lifetimes. Are you worried in all congresswoman about the effect? This is having on the twenty twenty candidates on the Democratic Party on anything having to do with with the the agenda that you wanna put forward. Well, we need Virginians to have somebody who could lead in that position. And that's my concern. Mike, and there are three three people under fire. The governor the Lieutenant governor governor general. Governor. And what we do need people in Virginia who can lead. We don't want to be distracted. Look Democrats want to talk about our agenda as you meant twin one talk about lowering prescription drug prices when we talk about healthcare having access to care we need to talk about climate change. So we would like to talk about those issues, and certainly make sure we ver- government shutdown or you at all concerned Senator about the image of impeachment proceedings against an African American Lieutenant governor while the attorney general and the governor who have both admitted dressing up in black face escape any consequences. Very concerned. Jake, I was gonna say hope that the legislature starts impeachment for all three of these folks. You know, what a hell of a way to start off black history month, totally law. I'm black three sixty five. But let's just say like history month is in February. We started off with this four hundred years from sixteen nineteen to twenty nineteen the first twenty Africans brought from anger. Gola? They didn't sign up and jump on the boat or ship themselves brought over to this country to Jamestown Virginia ESL. It's my message to non black people. Don't wear a black face look at the rainbow, mosaic the black faces in this country that they're the only black faces you should be talking about. But take you hit the nelin ahead the hell poxy in terms of biz governor thinking even weighed in on what they're not Lieutenant governor. Fairfax should go all three of them need to go. And it is not a distraction to talk about racism in this country because it is in the DNA of this country is the first thing that this country was founded on racism and bigotry, and we just gotta understand. So congress love with the attorney general himself called for the governor to resign. When the governor's black-faced pictures came out knowing that which tells you he thought he was gonna get away. It is very high gree- and four days later, he's admitting himself, and he's still there, and Eric, and there is no daylight on this issue with anyone that we've actually seen that I've said. These people have to go I've always presumed, and I continue I will continuously say this. You are innocent until you're proven guilty. But can you govern can you actually lead the state and start talking about policy issues? Now, remember the first time that we were talking about this governor was on the policy of the abortion issue third. Trimester abortion issue we've gotten away from even talking about that. And we're going into his contempt for life is contempt more people of color, and then now we're gone into the Lieutenant governor this is just a which is actually a criminal accusation. So they really got to just wipe everything clean start all over. So that we can we can govern. Can I just want to add to what the congresswoman saying this is not just about people folks understand this this is anti blackness? So let's make this clear. This is anti blackness black face in the mid to late nineteenth century eighteen hundreds was about mocking black people are humanity. Our beauty our culture what we mean to this country. So this ain't a conversation about people colored. This is a conversation about anti black racism white supremacy in the United States of America. So governor out north came out of hiding and gave an interview with the Washington Post saying that he wants to focus on racial inequality during the rest of the time as governor. Here's what he said quote there ongoing inequities to access to things like education healthcare mortgages capital on for ship. I want to heal that pain, and I wanna make sure that all Virginians have equal opportunity. And I think I'm the person that can do that for Virginia a little too late. No credibility, and I actually fended by that too. Then let me let me fix what's going on here. So let me go and focus on something else. So that people can stop kissing on things that I did when I was twenty five and he wants to have his repentance as the governor Virginia, look you resign, and you go get your own repentance, and you let us continue on in Virginia with actual governance. But people who legitimately ought to be in the question congresswoman as as the elected democrat at the table. If all three of them resign. Then I believe the Republican speaker of the house of delegates becomes governor? You don't want that now, but we need to think about doing what's right? And what's right for Virginians and overall, I mean look at the race issue in today's day with the president at the helm who has been one of the most divisive president, and frankly racist himself is a conversation. We do need to have. But looking at the line of order and say, no, we're not going to do that. Because of the. Consequences is not the right way to do this. And so for me, I would do we need to have this conversation, and we should continue to have this conversation, but it has to be front and center, and we can't forget about the person who is dividing us, and who himself is injecting this in to the country to live up again and coming out again, we haven't seen it be this bed in recent time till the president has really made this race issue. Whether it's about African Americans, certainly he's doing it all over the board with immigrants, but we need to have this conversation. Just can't. Nineteen eighty four nineteen eighty Gucci just a few days ago. This is not about President Trump about racism in the United States of America, congresswoman, I hear you. But on this. We not blaming President Trump. He hasn't has this kind of. Say this. He is using. I am not going to let continue to let politicians use. This man is the excuse deal. Racism in this country is being going on for far too long in the United States of America. We need some real truth Reconsiliation. Yes. President Donald Trump is a racist. There's no doubt about it. But as we have seen Democrats built in racism, as well, we gotta stop making this about who's a Republican who's a democrat. I want to know who's a humanitarian I wanna know who's gonna stand up people's lives starting with black lives because when you take care black last everybody life is taken care of everyone's life is taken care of. So no more about this. These three men it had nothing to do with President Trump. What Lieutenant governor? Fairfax is going through. Don't have nothing to do with President Trump north on wearing black face. Don't have nothing to do with Donald Trump Harrington brought face has nothing to do with Donald Trump. This is about racism in the DNA this country. And I am over our traumatize Jake, and we are sick of it. You know? To stop playing gaming said. It's exactly right. It's about personal responsibility for your own actions of the things that you've done when he was twenty five years old. It wasn't. He couldn't blame Donald Trump for his twenty five years old. I mean, you can't you and adequate monta -bility. Monta -bility for the things that you do. And I think that's a problem with Virginia. Governor and Percy said, oh, I'm sorry that. Yeah. That was me. I'm sorry about the picture, then it was like, well, I don't really remember and his wife is keeping him from actually moonwalking. I mean, this is the person. That's what were the appropriate levels are. I mean, he cannot he can't govern. So it's absolutely time for him to go and wipe the slate clean. And I appreciate by the way, the Representative saying that this has nothing to do with what you know, who's next in line and the risk of Republicans actually taking office this has to do with right and wrong in this. And this these are clearly wrong for the appreciate those comments as well. But I'm not speaking to you. But they're new on the democrat side Ralph Northam. Universal calls resignation. When this became the whole democrat power structure. It got really quiet while they're having been his hearing the hill the second sexual assault allegation. Right. Then it broke loose again. But if you look at that time line, it got very quiet, and it was we might be more accepting of racism rape than we are Republicans. It started to look like that telling the truth on that Jake. I mean, I hate that. You know, Fairfax has the go-to, but when north was running twenty seventeen recall because of a labor union, he wouldn't put Fairfax. Linda tanks and offer being here. Coming up vodka Trump vacuuming up breadcrumbs new work of performance art, getting a thumbs down from the first daughter. That's a subject of this week state of the cartoon next. 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Sen. Chris Murphy on Covid and the courts: "This is another repeal debate"

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25:43 min | 3 weeks ago

Sen. Chris Murphy on Covid and the courts: "This is another repeal debate"

"They. I know their job is hard. I know that these guys are in it for the right reasons and they're dealing with this sort of bruising cadence of trump's. Comments every single day but they don't seem to be connected to reality any longer, and that is very, very disturbing. Hello pulse check listeners. This is Dan Diamond and welcome to our special pulse check series on the corona virus outbreak in the nation's response. Today I'm in conversation with Senator Chris Murphy I'm regarding the Democratic Senator from Connecticut on Wednesday morning real trump administration officials on their handling of the with nineteen. Response. Talked about what he learned from that hearing, as well as deeper concerns about the effort strike down the affordable care act in court and effort the trump administration has supported. Here's that conversation. Senator Chris. Murphy. Welcome to politico. Thank. You just grilled top administration officials in a Senate Health Committee hearing about the COVID nineteen response when I say just catching you right after stepping out of the hearing room. What do you think you learn from that hearing? Well. A mess out there and I just think many of these public health leaders are in a bubble. You know they do not understand how this ever changing guidance this constant political interference from the White House into public health decisions. Is Creating an absolute nightmare for the people on the ground. In Connecticut every time I'm back, I'm spending time with the public health leaders and they don't know who should be tested and who shouldn't they aren't getting enough funding to set up tracing programs. They don't have clear guidance on how to get ready for a vaccination. They hear one thing from president trump they hear another thing from red seal then what Redfield says changes and it changes again. This is why the pandemic advances why viruses winning and I was really worried by some of the things that I heard today from Dr Reddy's if he's under this illusion. That the guidance seeds sent out in August which clearly said. Get tested if some dramatic actually said, people should get tested if there is some dramatic and so I know their jobs part I know that these guys are in it for the right reasons and they're dealing with this sort of bruising cadence of trump's. Comments every single day of but. Seem to be connected to reality any longer, and that is very, very disturbing and another reason why we need to get this crowd out of the White House out of the CDC as quickly as possible in your hearing questions, you really leaned into the issue of heart risk from covid nineteen and specifically whether people who suffered from cove nineteen could become preexisting conditions. It's I think part of the ongoing effort by Democrats to really link the pandemic and the fallout to the affordable care act and the risk of the ACA. Falling Away and court battle. How strategic is this by Democrats to make this the the point of attack when grilling administration officials? Well, it's not strategic, right? It's reality I mean the fact of the matter is that as Dr Vouching said answer to my question today. We know enough about corona virus to know that it very likely a becomes a pre existing condition that there is enough evidence that it can create. Inflammation in. The heart such that insurance companies are going to label it as such a pre existing condition and what we know is that the. Republicans are attempting to stack the supreme. Court. With anti ACA majority such by the end of the year the affordable care act he'd be gone and all the protections that come with it. Insurance companies are going to take advantage of that, and they are certain going to raise rates on anyone who has had a cova diagnosis and they're going to be very interested in getting everybody tested so that. They can find out whether folks who are racist dramatic needs to have their rates increased as well. So you know I understand that it's forty five days to the election. So everything SORTA gets colored by politics, but this is just what's going to happen If the ACA struck down Cova is going to be a pre existing condition and everybody who has. Their rates increase if they can even get the charts on the first, we'll let me ask my question a different way because I noticed that you leaned into the connection with the affordable care act your fellow committee members, Senator Tim Kaine was making a similar point Democrats across the Senate and the House have come back to this again, and again, the risk of ACA repeal is this something that the Democrats have gotten together and said, this is the message we need to lean into. Did you come to this on your own? You're someone who's talked a lot over the past month about the risk to the ACA. Well, we obviously talk to each other. And we have all come to decision on our own and thus have come to the decision collectively. That's president trump and Senate Republicans, are trying to ram through a nominee before the election because there is a case pending right after the election that will allow them to finally invalidate the affordable care act. So it doesn't take a lot of strategic nuance to understand what's happening here. They couldn't repeal the affordable care act through the legislative process. Now, they have the chance to do it and they've got fast because the case is about to be heard quite after the election. Do you think that this is the best? Way For Democrats to try and stop what's going to happen by pointing out the risk to millions of Americans. You think that will lead some Republicans to change their vote. Honestly people told us. We couldn't stop the repeal of the affordable care act that it was a complete that of course Republicans having won the majority in the Senate, the House and control the presidency would do what they had been promising to do the entire time you're minority they ended up not being able to repeal the affordable care act, and the reason is that the people wouldn't let them. There was enough pressure on the Senate in particular. To Stop Senators from. For repeal of this is another guilty. If. President trump gets his election put onto the court, the affordable care act we all be repealed period stop and so the consequences are no different than the debate that we had in twenty seventeen and I think it's reasonable to believe that perhaps the outcome won't be different. Now we have less time. Because, they are going to ram this judge through before the election but the stakes are exactly the same. Have you seen any indication that you're appeals around the affordable care act or having any impact on Republicans who might be wavering about approving a justice before the election? Well, we're talking on Wednesday afternoon. And This vacancy has only existed for five days. I'm not sure that. We would necessarily see the impact yet. We have to build a political movement, right and I you know we have to build a political movement. It's more serious than. You might you might have to build that political movement in the span also days this vote is going to be in the next week or two. No. Absolutely. This is going to have to occur really fast, and that's the reason the Republicans are going to move this fast not just because they want to get in under the election but also because they know the longer that we are able to tell the American people that their healthcare's monkey disappear if judge gets approved of the less likely, it is that they'll be able. To get fifty votes speaking, of Corona, virus again, the focus of today's hearing. This is something that you have sounded the alarm on for months you tweeted on February fifth quote just left the administration briefing on Corona virus bottom line they aren't taking this seriously enough now again, that was the beginning of February before our world's dramatically changed what did you learn in that hearing more than seven months ago that made you so concerned well, you know if you read the rest of that tweet, get very specific I, say we requested. Emergency Funds from the administration and they told us, they didn't need any money that they could handle virus with the money they had. We specifically requested the money in early February for supplies. And for training because we knew that are health professionals ready. We knew that there was going to be a problem with medical equipment the. And it stood to reason that having watched this virus moved so incredibly rapidly and so lethally through chiming knowing the inability to stop. That virus and the people who carry it some of the United States that it was going to be a pandemic that it was going to be an epidemic in the United States and it was just frightening bone. Sherman on February fifth to listen to. You. Republican Administration members tell us that they had it taken care. If they believe that the the flight restrictions, we're going to stop krona virus from coming to the United States and thus they didn't need to do anything to get ready. Republicans and Democrats in that room knew that wasn't true. We pressed them to get serious and. And I'm going to be this was a lot of the people in that room where. Dr couching. Alex as army and the same people who are charged today were in that room in February, not taking the series. Voucher. Himself was not taking this seriously enough at the beginning of February I mean let's she's in a tough position I guess he's he's not a political decision maker. So maybe he just wasn't answering the questions that were most pointed on resources but he was in that February fifth briefing a briefing in which no one in the administration said that they would. Be, requesting new money from Congress FAO cheat include again thou- She's not the political maker. It probably isn't his place to request money for from Congress but no one in that briefing was taking this seriously enough when you look back over the past seven months are their administration officials are the administration efforts that you think have been good have been successful that have. Reassured you about the leadership of handling of this virus none not a single one I mean I'm serious. I mean nate name me an effort today have entertained that his work we don't have enough testing. We don't have enough people we have no money for contact tracing the vaccine distribution readiness is abysmal. The public relations campaign has been quixotic and contradictory. We have a president who pushes back against any efforts to try to enforce social distancing or mass wearing they relied on travel ban that was full of holes didn't work there has been nothing they have done that has worked and frankly I mean what defines their response is a lack of response they imposed the travel restrictions and then they effectively just gave up. I mean, what is so remarkable is that after the travel restriction, they just said, Hey, states and cities you deal with it, and if Congress makes give you money, we'll give you some money. We'll stick some big guidance on the CDC website, but it's going to be largely helpful. The administration has effectively serve. The administration has surrendered to chronic wires they surrendered back in March and that surrender continues today. So with respect, I, probably shouldn't have a democratic senator come on our podcast and completely unchallenged I do think that there was a failure as we reported as other news outlets have tracked across February into March, a lack of action as you have teased out around testing around planning. And it really wasn't until mid-march when things did get more serious, there are teams that have been working around the clock for months though on various aspects of the virus, the issue might be that time was lost up front and continues to be lost by mixed messages and at times political interference with the scientific process. I think that's where we are in the middle of temper. Your way to fair. So I am. Mixed messages is a very, very kind way to describe what is happening. The president is crowding his rallies with people who are not allowed to socially distance. He is parading his own cabinet members. Into the White House lawn forcing them to sickness knew each other and clearly putting pressure to not wear masks of this isn't mixed messages. This is a consistent message. Right people listen to the president of the United States, his followers, which includes thirty to forty percent of the country. Don't take instructions from Dr Reggie they take their instructions for president trump and he has been pretty consistent about. How people should react to corona virus. So do do you think protestors protestors either against president trump were black lives matter rallies are they consistently following what you think are good. Public Health guidelines should they be congregating unmasked during a pandemic? Well, if you're GONNA accommodate you should be wearing masks and I've been at many of these protests and those protests. Maybe, not everyone was wearing masks but the vast majority of people were wearing masks and most of the large scale protests there has been a policy by organizers to encourage people to wear masks that isn't back opposite of what is happening at the president's rallies governor known in Tacoma proudly declare that no, one would be wearing masks or social distancing when the president came there no one was wearing masks during the president's convention speech I think these. are largely apples and oranges conversations I. I wanted to ask you about something that I haven't seen a lot of attention, which is how are handling as a nation of coronavirus how that is rippling across the globe and your someone who doesn't interest focus on the help committee you have foreign relations experience too, and I'm curious if you have already seen changes and how the US is perceived internationally as a consequence of corona virus running rampant across our nation. Well, we are now the sick child of the world's right. We can't travel anywhere are business people can't travel anywhere in. So our inability to solve this crisis is greatly with. The benefit to China is to hold in China is the primary beneficiary, but there are other fisheries. First. Of All China and other autocrats trying to spin this narrative that democracy is. that it is ineffective that it is broken beyond repair. And? Well America will never consider doing the kind of things that China did in order to get fires under control. It is a compelling narrative that. Here in the United States our democracy at least under this president has been unable to get coronavirus. Under he'll, and thus lends credence to the argument that maybe you should make your country a little bit less democratic and a little bit more top down control second China's economy has recovered fairly quickly. And thus they are able to lap US around the world economically at really sort of pivotal moment when they're trying to push things like five g. into more corners of the globe because we just can't compete, we can't send diplomats around the world. We can't send business leaders around the world so both politically and economically it's harmless. Greatly, it's robbed us of our moral leadership, but there's also wrap this up are practicability trying to compete with our adversaries when we are All locked down, it's the pandemic. That that won't disappear. So to paraphrase it sounds like the irony is that a virus that came out of China that China ultimately handled better than we have may redound to China's benefit even as we're struggling to get covert under control. And what's so frustrating is that we recognize the inefficiencies of democracy and thus. Congress is built into the statue emergency powers for the president in times of urgency like an epidemic, and well, it may seem kind of inconsistent for somebody like needs to be calling on this president exercise more emergency powers I have been consistently because you cannot beat. A virus of this size without having national policies like national mask-wearing mandates or more stricter national guidelines on business and school closures or the federalization of the defense production. The medical supply cheating. So we actually did give the president of the ability to cure for the inefficiencies boxy. It's just that this president chose not to accept those tools. You have been a champion of using the defense production act to increase supplies, increase equipment to fight cove it at the same time we've seen. Aspects of the federal. Government's response go directions that are unpredictable and perhaps big waste of money for instance, how the Pentagon has spent. A Billion Dollars from the cares act to buy planes and armor and things that have nothing to do with the covid nineteen response. Are you worried about empowering the federal government in ways that could come back to harm future response to public health? Well, it was I. of course am worried about giving this administration additional powers or additional money to spend the fact that this administration has bungled much of the spending power connected to pandemic response does not mean every government will. Respond this inaptly. So I don't necessarily know that it means there's a bug in the model. But yeah, of course, of course, when I say that the administration federalized the Defense Supply Ching I worried that the president will use that power order to reward his friends and his cronies. and. PERHAP- ways waste a lot of money along the way but anything is better than what we have. Now where every single hospital, every single state has to create its own supply chain where prices are going through the roof where we don't know what the next shortage will be I really worry is GonNa be on backstage distribution I worry that we're going to have a cold storage crisis when we need to. Shale millions, hundreds of millions of doses of. Vaccine and I don't think that each state can solve these problems on our own. You're obviously critic of the administration doesn't take a political reporter to pick up on that. The Senate help committee which you serve on the Democrats were involved in the year and a half investigation and Medicaid chief Seema Verma, and how she spent millions of dollars on public relations consultants that investigation landed. Recently, it appeared pretty damaging to me yet. She's still unseat. She survived that Democrats are alarmed about the potential appointment of another Supreme Court justice who could. Take down the ACA, but Democrats might not be able to stop that either when I look back on what Democrats are able to do to stop the trump administration, we're to alter its policies. What really can Democrats do right now other than sit down and do a podcast with political reporter and raised these concerns. Well I mean listen. We've done a lot right? I mean again, the president was hell bent on repealing the affordable care act and he has not. That's not a small beats right that that is. To the benefit of one hundred and thirty million Americans who would have their rates raise because there are some condition or twenty, five, million new apertures because of the affordable. Care he's made clear that along with many Republicans in Congress that. He would like to. Reduce Medicare. Benefits or trimmed the sales of the program that you'd like to privatize aspects of further privatise aspects of it. We've been able to stop. The worst chains is that the president would like to make to the healthcare system and away we've been able to make a handful of improvements. Passed pretty, significant funding to combat for virus. Something that the president didn't lead. By and large Democrats lead with the help of many Republicans frankly so I think we'd be able to impressively stop some of the worst excesses of this administration and been able to proactively move forward especially in the last six months some corona virus funding and programming that has been greatly influenced by Democrats. If the president appoints another other justice should democrats if they take back the Senate and take the White House next year, expand the Supreme Court Yeah seventy percent of the questions I get these days. orders is that question which is, which is I mean kind of interesting to me given that it's a hypothetical based on a bunch of other. I don't know. Should I come back in two weeks if there's a new justice and ask you the question again, I'll come back in January, when Democrats won the Senate and the presidency because that question is moot. Less, we win a whole mess of elections in. November, and so I think my focus is on trying to muster political movements to defeat this nominee and. Winning as many elections as. When one other question I have? So you're critical of the administration's response. You grilled officials on potential meddling in with the CDC has worked on. Do you worry that by putting a spotlight on these issues and sometimes on issues that you might not have firsthand knowledge but you've read press reports about that you could be contributing to lack of confidence if a vaccine arrives to fight corona virus. Yeah. It's such a good question right and it is honestly question that I struggled with all the time because you know much of what comes out of the CDC. Is Good Information. Ten percent of it. May Be influenced by politics much of what's on their website is insufficient even if it's credible enough itself and so I think we always have to try to walk a fine line by calling out the president went he is attempting to manipulate. The public health professionals in accordance with his political interests and trying to reaffirm that still much of what you hear from the. White. House. The age is worth following but you know what? That's a position I shouldn't have to be right. I should not have to be in the position in which I have to choose. Between calling out the president's blatant irresponsible, reckless political interference into public health and trying to buttress public health. That's a problem. Has Created by continuing to. Message consistently in direct contravention of science. So I definitely struggled with it. I I try to walk the line, but I also regret the fact that this president has put us all on opposition. Last question I know you're not a fan of hypotheticals, but we're doing virtually have you thought of how long in the future we're going to have to continue to do things virtually? Are you preparing for a certain period of time to live and work this way? Where we won't be able to congregate in person. I I have thought about it. But I, have some confidence that if we elect Joe Biden. Are, days of doing everything virtually will come to an end because I've seen what happened in Connecticut. Connecticut. was a hot spot and within about two months, we got down to the point where transmissions were under. One percent where positive tests were under one percent of an we why we have heard of. Is I think largely because other states have gotten, we can't stop it from coming into our state. So I think if Joe Biden gets into office and follows the Connecticut Model. If that's concurrent with the distribution of a vaccine. That we can. You know get back to some version of normal in this country maybe we don't do as much. As we used to, but our kids can go back to school and get back to work. We can go out to dinner with friends again I think that only happens if your. Senator Chris Murphy. There are a bunch of things now on my to do list to ask you about come January. Thank you for making time to answer some questions to guy appreciate. Thanks for having me. All right. That is our show for this week. I'm Dan. Diamond. My thanks to senator. Chris Murphy for joining me Jamie Geller in his office for setting up the conversation. Our producer is any reese. Janet is our senior producer and Irene Noguchi Executive Producer. You can subscribe to Politico Pulse Jack. Wherever you're listening can help us by leaving a rating or review on your favorite podcast APP. That helps listeners discover the show. 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Sen. Chris Murphy on why America's Syria failure goes beyond Trump

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31:18 min | 1 year ago

Sen. Chris Murphy on why America's Syria failure goes beyond Trump

"Our show today is sponsored by babble the language learning APP that will get you speaking a new language quickly and with confidence babble offers fourteen different language courses with Venus lessons that are only ten to fifteen minutes long and if your worldly listener you probably want something like this learning new languages is well worldly and because you ah detainment but also we take our foot off of the proverbial paddle when it comes to the Anti Isis offensive it's all bad news for us in the region right now and in the long run it ruins our credibility as a partner who was GONNA be willing to sign up to fight terrorism with the United States if there Russia and Iran and the three of them will be empowered along with Isis who will be allowed to reconstitute as fighters escape talking about Syria trump's move what the senator thinks about it and then how all of this might even tie in to progressive foreign policy sanctions that the trump administration has already begun to implement we are going to push Turkey further into an access with can foreign policy history the aftermath of this is hard to understand obviously we have humanitarian catas- subject to this kind of treatment and of course it's all so tragic because it was avoidable I mean trump has been telegraphing he wanted to take our troops out for years she playing out in front of our eyes right now we've pushed the Kurds into the hands of bizarre Al Assad and if Congress moves forward with hey everyone it's Alex Ward I'm the not Jen Zach member of the worldly trio and here were in a way that Turkey could live with that was difficult but not impossible in the fact that the trump administration didn't even try to work out a political solution troops from Syria and the aftermath that we've seen it's absolutely diabolical I don't know that we've seen a double cross like this at least in recent part of the Fox media podcast network we're doing a series on progressive foreign policy. I was scheduled to speak with Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut He's a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a major champion makes this moment so hard to comprehend so just in your mind removing troops in of itself was not necessarily a wrong so let's not Belabor the point anymore let's get right to my interview with the Senator Senator just right off the top your thoughts on trump's decision to withdraw that's B. A. B. B. L. Dot Com and enter Promo Code worldly for six full free month's babble speaking new language with Governor and you're going to love the second season of Fox's Netflix show the show's called explained in every episode is a fifteen to twenty minutes deep dive into one important topic Syria Turkey started to come in our allies against Isis. The Kurds Allenwood Syrian President Bashar Assad northward and it's a mess so we started off Ian of defining what progressive policy looks like and then Syria happened in case you haven't been following you need to know is president trump withdrew American troops from north so this week the topic is costs I got an early preview and watching it made me think about colds a lot more in a new way it's it's a must watch episode of digs am to members of Jonestown the most provocative things it's connection to religion as Ostlund says the episode Colt Plus Time Equals Religion and it's narrated by the actor leaky stand into the way that they lure people in how you can get regular people to do horrible things when they join cults it features numerous former cult numbers from next revisionist history at some point we need to have a real reckoning with policy that has gone wrong under both Democratic and Republican Administration has concerns were addressed but again what is so difficult to stomach is that trump didn't really try to work out those concerns he didn't try and if that was the case then he should have been doing the diplomatic and political work in northeast Syria to try to come up with a governance structure in which you could have Kurdish control of that region Alyce many people could disagree on that but for some folks that's a fine thing to do but it's the way in which it was done and not trying to make some sort of diplomatic solution or agreement while troops were there air as leverage for us to try to work out a political solution so our Kurdish partners were protected and that the legit covert sometimes overt support to the Syrian rebels was to just prolong the misery prolong the civil war and then in northeast area while I think we were smart to not throw tens of thousands of American troops at Isis and rely instead on our Kurdish partners even during the Obama Administration we sometimes only had it's really the the sin in your mind yeah I'll do that anyone envisioned America having two thousand troops in Syria for the next twenty years they were there such crippling sanctions on Turkey that we effectively end our security partnership with them we do have a security partnership with them we have at the foreign policy establishment that is trying to pretend right now that everything was going great in Syria until trump pulled are two thousand troops out and that is all twos pretty damn great make sure you check it out by searching for explained or Vauxhall nut likes going straight to net flix dot com slash explained that's Netflix dot com slash explained a dollars and forces to NATO missions so there are important strategic alliances between us but I would rather us be able to step limit security concerns of Turkey about the interactions that the Kurds in Syria have with the PK this terrorist group that very powerful weapons that are at our disposal inside Turkey we do cooperate on many anti-terrorism initiatives they do contribute we have always been under the belief that half measures in Turkey could work we gave just enough support over the course of the last four running for their lives and everyone that is our adversary in and around that region has benefiting was trump this point so I think that's a question we have to ask right now and one of my worries is that in our anger hi to fix the political problem in northeast Syria and he pulled a American support with absolutely no warning to anyone so that our troops are run walk an optional battery to keep your charge I have used all of those features my away suitcases yes that is away suitcases plural because I love away so much ended in all fairness perhaps a difficult hand here I mean of course Syria by itself was complex but also President Obama did follow a strategy there are plenty of times in which American policy has been at odds with other NATO allies right there are other members of this alliance that have not followed US long run but he didn't get handed a really good set of cards here and before we talk about possible other foreign policy approaches and alternatives I do want to ask over what trump did to the Kurds we are going to essentially answer that question by default by leveling can directed question at us do sit on Senate foreign relations obviously Turkey is a NATO member and ally but is it really an ally of the United States allies with the Kurds which of course was always going to rankle Turkey and so this sort of withdrawal was never really going to be that clean to begin with so I think there's an eight years to the Syrian rebels that they could keep the fight up against Assad but never enough support that they could actually win and so the result of our sometime is never one in which you have to unconditionally agree with the United States' position on every issue the Turks have gotten pretty far afield at this point which requires us into battle overseas that have openly disagreed with the decisions that we've made unimportant strategic questions to the United States and so we have to admit that the alliance one single State Department representative in that portion of the country thus essentially guaranteeing that we're never going to be able to come up with a political settlement are Syria Policies Jack and make a decision thoughtfully about whether Turkey should be inside or outside of NATO rather than making that decision because we are angry flash broadly and use Promo Code worldly at checkout this is advertiser contact not really at trump and Turkey at the same time but just to be clear you at least think Turkey's status as an ally or not as a NATO ally but just as an American with new technology workers can inspect underground pipes at nearly microscopic levels teams can use drones equipped with imaging cameras or smart sensors this is leading the world and producing natural gas and oil while reducing emissions at the same time in some cases production grew by triple digits while emissions fell by four broken for a really long time what trump has done is to wrap up our physical presence there in a way that is going to do grave damage to our national security interests in the law forty to seventy percent so why is that innovative industry-driven technology take inspections a crucial part of managing the supply chain step back and ask some tougher questions this episode is sponsored by away traveling is an amazing way to experience the world great for twenty dollars off the suitcase visit away travel dot com slash worldly and use Promo Code worldly at checkout again for twenty dollars off the suitcase visit away travel dot com thanks to technology it's now safer cleaner and easier your world world explained today the together data even in the most remote locations data scientists can then use the data to make predictive models for simulate real world experiences ally is a questionable it is questionable and it's more questionable than anyone else in the NATO alliance but we also have to admit that the train and equip program for others inside that coalition bits of humanitarian aid here and there none of it worked it all just served so issues can be caught before they have all of this helps make the industry safer and more sustainable learn more about how the natural gas and intervention there and so they proposed these half-measures a little bit of covert support for Syrian rebel a Defense Department run actually work out when you implement them and Syria to me is this perfect example in which the foreign policy establishment just could not mart people are paid money in this town to propose American led interventions plans that often look decent on paper but don't and I do want to chat with you now because you've been very vocal for quite some time that not just on Syria but on multiple issues that America has been going about foreign policy through which the United States can have impact and you know sometimes they're not wrong there are lots of problems around the world that do have an American solution the best out of your travel experience having a battery in your suitcase when you're constantly low and phone charged it's really really really useful with a one hundred day trial go back and forth between the public sector and the private sector who make a living off of concocting interventions around the World Arfan of the show Babbel has a special offer for you sign up for three months and they'll give you an additional three months for free just use Promo Code worldly at Babbel Dot Com so imagine you're inspecting an oil pipeline the terrain is rugged roads nonexistent and the pipe goes on for miles to difficult job oil industry is working towards responsibly developing the nation's resources at power past impossible dot org ain't is a policy and it's hard I think for many people who work in foreign policy in the United States to get their head wrapped around that why have this which there are exceptions I just think it has to be about deploying different kind of assets other than the United States military right now that's the only card Dan for the idea that the United States couldn't fix what was going wrong in Syria and yet they knew the American public wouldn't support a massive military the the main characteristics and then we can start digging deep into that so it was an icy progressive foreign policy as anchored in the idea that America does have and a limited lifetime warranty you also can try away suitcase risk free and if you decide it's not for you which I don't think you will to clear you can return for a full refund or replace are strong they're useful they're big they're size so you can carry them on in some cases and they really really efficiently allowed often when we throw around that weight it does more harm than good and so tell me then how you came to not only just start critiquing the the establishment I mean you mentioned of course Middle East Policy I'm sure there are other examples but then maybe start to define how you view what you say is a progressive foreign policy all wrong you did mention early on when we're talking Turkey you mentioned there's this thing called the foreign policy establishment can you find that for me what is this establishment that you seemed but there are plenty of problems especially political ones in the Middle East that don't have a solution that's led by the United States and yet very prolong that conflict and so I do worry that there is this hubris leftover about what America can achieve in the Middle East sometimes restrain massive national security infrastructure a military intelligence budgets that's twenty times that of most other nations if you're not gonNA use if you're not going to throw it around the not all too pleased about you know well there's there is a a a group of think tanks in this town a group of individuals have a role to play for good in the world so progressive our policy is not about drawing back and is not about seeing restraint as the rule we have to play in most places around the world I and so what I've argued for and I wrote this down on a piece for the Atlantic a couple of weeks when it comes to suitcases away has taught everything their carry-ons coming to size and shell options and have ingenious features the laundry bag a built-in TSA proved Combo go is that a Democratic presidential candidates especially those who fancy themselves as progressive need not just talking about a different philosophy than that's who either can protect themselves or have protection attached to them who could be in conflict zones actually working out the political problems on the ground in a way that trump needs to be talking about different capabilities Take for instance Syria what we're missing is this hybrid class of diplomat Warriors Diplomat Fox dot com slash twenty twenty podcasts. That's vox dot com slash twenty twenty podcasts of pro democracy pro human rights tools around the world that we simply don't have today and then allowing a democratic and progressive regardless of WHO's president regardless of WHO's running American foreign policy the United States doesn't have the necessary toolkit to deal with any problems whether it be Syria China China right we don't have any way to countenance what China is doing to use its technology exports as a way to gain a national security foothold throughout the globe so to do it we're spending four billion dollars on putting troops in eastern Europe if we spent half of that money actually developing interconnections to we don't have a single classification in our foreign service dedicated to fighting corruption the the guy that's fighting corruption in eastern had we asked them back at the late stages of the Obama Administration so I think it's all about more rigorous test for military action developing a sweet the president to be internationalised but just with different options to play different cards to play other than brigades so this from what you just said it seems fact that we have to test for military action that it'd be done through over rather than covert means that it'd be only done with Congressional humanitarian disasters whatever it may be that the US just doesn't have an infrastructure to deal with foreign policy issues of the day we're just not in the game right and I own a Ford by the way so I was I was what are the cards that Russia's really playing around the world today they're involved in old fashioned bribery graft and intimidation they're involved in sophisticated information second guess what you're kind of getting at and I do WanNa get into the ten it's a bit but what you're getting at is that the United States is just not non-russian energy sources for countries in and around their periphery we'd get much better payoff than we are simply investing troop deployments and I could go through the same argument warfare and they're using their oil resources in a gas resources as a political chip we don't really have any capacities to meet those three threats to go to a point you made last September at the council form relations when you said that and I want to make sure I get this right the levers that the president can press to try to protect and advance our interests recite and approval that we know if we're putting military resources on the ground that we're solving a military problem not a political problem all tests that we would have failed in Syria European countries I it probably has six other things that he's doing so we need to have a we've needed to massively upscale anticorruption efforts all around the world if I were Russia's doing has fought the whole way and then we need to not just be giving advice to countries about how to avoid dependency on Russian gas and oil we should actually be putting money on the table I think that's been borne out by the slide away from democracy and human rights protections that we've seen just in the last three and a half years and what's important we need to have real information encounter propaganda resources that we don't today Senator Portman I've been trying to develop a new center in the State Department but trump we just have to staff up these nonmilitary capabilities in a way that we aren't today and if we do we'll be able to fight fire with fire these won't be asymmetric wars any laws rod is basically a one thousand nine eight four tourists on a road that is crowded with shiny new Tesla's an landrovers First of all I don't know what you have against four tauruses years American military intervention around the world but you're calling for almost America's non-military intervention around the world promoting human rights pushing against corruption I mean this would involve sustained the religion they choose this is about self interest as well because places that have more democracies tend to be more stable tend to have carriers they're doing it with non-military capabilities so it almost sounds like what you're calling for is a not necessarily the the past involvement in multiple countries around the world I mean this would be quite a massive effort and lift that ended in a way requires provide less quarter to terrorist organizations as human rights abuses are are more easily perpetuated overseas it becomes more likely that a would be demagogue in the United States will get away with perpetrating those same abuses here at home so if progressives want care about protecting American democracy want to protect Europe because we will have symmetry we will have suite of tools that meets the tools that countries like China and Russia using but they are not frankly winning these battles they are not gaining influence with AIRCR minority rights here at home than we have to fight those battles overseas if we lose them there we're GONNA eventually lose them here and I think I can make the case ultimately the vision that I have for American the only maligning that specific Ford Model Not Ford's Gotcha got but so yeah we're just not in the game right so let's take Russia for example member is that you know this isn't just about our altruistic belief in others having the ability to access self-determination or free speech or the right to practice around the world are trying to get societies to back American policies in certain ways then this is really kind of American say wait a minute this may not be military globalism to use the president's term but this is globalism and everything else right if you're trying to empower The folks who believed a different form of American leadership is that kind of what you're aiming for I I am I mean I'm a believer that the United States needs to be a global presence and and primacy on steroids just without the military component. Listen you cannot isolate yourself today the world is interconnected on a military that doesn't seem to be solving a lot of problems around the world and so we could probably getting be getting a lot better bang for our buck surely you're getting criticism from folks we all know that and so there is no strategy if you're simply only worry about your own country's survival through which you wall yourself off other nations and I also don't think it's an all or nothing proposition I'm not saying that the United States should push human rights everywhere and if nation away from this progressive foreign policy vision that you have is this is America somewhat leading an ideological struggle right democracy versus anti-democratic who say this is the way forward this is the way the world could be better and you can actually get there through less than military means in small d democracy in Russia Aaron China if you are or if you are pushing against corruption in multiple countries if you are making all kinds of deals internal You know the the World Wide Nationalist Movement is interconnected just look at the way that Steve Bannon moves accuracy in human rights a front burner issue with more countries even if we don't win every single argument part of what seems to be sort of the macro taste things that we do business with don't adopt our notion of civil liberties that we cut off relations with them no I'm just saying that it's gotta be a preservation of our American way of life so then just to be clear because there are people who have a misunderstanding foreign policies this really a new from the problems that exist other places in the connections that exist other nations and so I think we have no choice but to be actively engaged in these other in these seamlessly between the nationalist xenophobic movements in Europe and his handpicked presidential candidate in the United States and so if we aren't ultimate S. four deployment is much more cost effective than the one that we have today we're not getting a really good return on our investment right now we're spending six hundred billion dollars a year Europe then we're frankly I would argue making a lot easier for those kind of organizations to then take root and grow to even greater strength in from which we cannot remove ourselves when you're playing with American troops once they're in complicated theater it is difficult avail his own people if we don't create a alternative technologies don't allow for nations or political leaders to be able to steal I it is and I also think we have to see the ways in which these threats that looked to be external are connected to the threats that your information off of the Five G. infrastructure so again I I if you wanna look at this throughout terrific lenses you can but I would also argue that it's essential for the global leader is to dramatically plus up our democracy promotion tools are human rights tools our energy independence tools our anti-corruption tools are anti remove them without telegraphing enormous weakness if you're talking about anti-corruption tools if you're talking about funding for independent media groups take a step back and reassess and go a different route I I think we need to remain a global leader and I think the only way that we remain a forward looking in present conversation in all of our bilateral relationships will win some will lose some but we're better off making tapped back but didn't have to be number one but you're saying that there's a way for the US to remain number one and it's actually this aggressive foreign policy framework instead of actually need we you know helping the Germans fight off the rise of the Neo Nazi party which by the way just commanded nearly thirty percent of the vote in local elections in eastern says that this is not not to say that it's equivalent to the Cold War because it's not but what it is is the United States picking up the man of democracy and and trying to who way for for American global leadership because there are some who would say it's actually way too costly for the United States to lead in the world that actually be more beneficial if the US not necessarily housed in the military too I would dramatically scaled-back our covert military programs the secret training of rebel armies and the Z. decisions using this progressive foreign policy framework. What are the first three you make so I double the non-military national security budget a budget that's not we should do it in a different way that we are today and I think the tools I'm talking about are also much more nimble and much less likely to get the United States involved into quagmires is lateralism just like we invest in humanitarian multi-lateralism and so I would put sort of life back in in NATO and look to open it to the United States the the the pro autocrat technology tools that are being developed today by the Chinese will be there for the taking by an American leader who wants to see in places I think it allows you to more easily throttle up investment and

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April 17, 2019: Hour 1

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April 17, 2019: Hour 1

"Support for here. And now comes from ember wave presenting this message ember wave, the revolutionary new personal thermostat ember. Wave is designed to make you comfortable in any environment. Learn more at ember wave dot com and use the code NPR to save fifty dollars at checkout from NPR and WB. You are I'm Robin young. I'm Jeremy Hobson it's here. And now as we await the release of the Muller report tomorrow, we're following other developments in Washington. President Trump use his veto pen for just the second time yesterday rejecting a resolution passed by congress to end US military system to Saudi Arabia for its war in Yemen. The US is providing billions of dollars in arms to the Saudi led coalition fighting Iran backed rebels in Yemen in his veto letter to the Senate, the president called the resolution and unnecessary dangerous attempt to weaken his constitutional authority the resolution did not have enough support to override the president's veto. Although it did have some Republican support joy. Joining us now is Senator Chris Murphy democrat from Connecticut. He's a member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee. Senator welcome thanks for having me and first of all your reaction to the president's veto of the Yemen resolution. Very disappointing. Not surprising the administration's been pushing hard against this resolution for over a year. And of course, if the administration wanted to get out of the war in Yemen, they do it on their own. The problem is this is a human rights catastrophe in Yemen, ten thousand civilians have been killed by this bombing campaign eighty five thousand children under the age of five have died of starvation and disease, and compounding, the misery is the way in which the Saudis are now targeting dissidents and political activists some of them US residents citizens and locking them up and potentially torturing them. It's time for us to get out of this Saudi led coalition. I was glad that Republicans and Democrats joined. Gather to pass this resolution. The first time we have ever used the War Powers Act to call for the US withdrawal from your or abroad, and I'm disappointed. But as I said not shocked that the president is veto it. I I assume that they're you're you're referencing Jamal kashogi, the journalist the US resident who was killed in the Saudi consulate last October. How much of your vote for this resolution was about kashogi? None of my vote is about Kashoggi's because I think independently the United States remaining part of a coalition inside Yemen is a national security disaster. This is a war that as I said has led to a humanitarian catastrophe has allowed for Al Qaeda and to get stronger inside Yemen. The United States has no security reason to be part of this coalition, but others voted for our resolution to get out of the Yemen. Civil. War as a message to the Saudis, relative to the murder of Jamaica Shoji, and the the the imprisonment of several other Americans who hold joint Saudi and American citizenship. And so there is a general unrest in congress about the fact that Ed ministration refuses to deliver any consequences to the Saudis for the way in which they are behaving and this resolution for some I think with intended to be that message. Now, we'll have to go back to the drawing board after the veto. Meanwhile, doesn't congress have War Powers? Why why can't congress decide when the US gets involved in conflicts overseas? Congress does in fact have the responsibility decide when the United States goes to war, but there's a long history of the executive branch moving forward with military action without congressional authorization, but you still need enough members of congress to override a presidential veto to restrain. That military activity. Of course, elections are the other way that you can check a president who's engaged on authorized military activity, and I have a feeling that the Yemen war as it grows in in its public profile will become a bigger issue heading into the twenty twenty election. Finally, Senator twenty four hours from now, we're all going to be talking about the Muller report. Once it is finally released. What are your expectations? Do you think that it is just going to be redacted from beginning to end, or do you think your we're gonna learn something from it? I asked me twenty four hours. I mean, I guess my expectations are low in germs. How much information is going to be released to congress? It's ridiculous that we're even talking about reductions when it comes to the report that's released to the congress. I have top secret clearance. I every single other members of congress have the ability to see both classified and unclassified information. And the idea that the attorney general is going to withhold certain pertinent information from members of congress who have the duty to decide whether there have to be consequences for the executive if they violated the law is repugnant. I understand that the version released to the public, and they have to have some reactions to protect sources and methods. But I am going to be upset if there is one single right action in the report delivered to congress. And of course, we are all expecting that to be a case that Senator Chris Murphy, democrat of Connecticut, Senator thank you for. Appreciate it. Let's Paris now thirty employees working at Notre Dame cathedral before Monday's fire have been interviewed. According to the Paris prosecutor who says there's no evidence the fire was intentionally set. So we await investigations, but meanwhile, we were struck as we watched people watch the flames how few were watching through recording cellphones as if they needed to see with their own is one person who did watch through lens was seasoned war-fatigued offer, my the dome white who also covered the terrorist attacks in Paris in two thousand fifteen she sent us some powerful pictures. You can see them at here now dot org. She joins us from Paris. And Maya you have seen so much through your lens. What were you thinking? While you watch Notre Dom. Oh, I wasn't thinking. I never think Robin in a in a case like this as a photographer you can't allow yourself to feel or have any emotion. All you're looking at is the picture, and this is. Away for war photographers to be able to cover this. You cannot allow yourself to think we're looking at some of the pictures now Notre Dame it self is almost sepia toned. It looks like it's from a different time. But with the flames and the the light the flames are throwing it's almost like blood has been thrown across the building. And then in some of the pictures, you have almost like white laser beams. What's that will? That's the water. Should it's true. The Wolter in these white leaser. It's exactly what I saw on. I'm glad you're seeing it as well. But especially the picture where you see the water hoses crossing each other. It really reminded me of something symbolic of church these cross and the red sepia tone seems completely unreal. I think if we had seen this in a movie, we wouldn't have believed. It's you turn around two. And we see the faces of the. People gathered in some pictures. They're singing hymns, we know they gathered to sing hymns talk. What you saw in those faces while those people are really watching an event this heart-wrenching to them. And although I cannot allow myself to feel they can they was a very strong shinning of unity of solidarity pretty much like after Shirley, though, people gathered together the didn't know each other necessarily what what strikes me is that a lot of these who are singing our young people. And this is a face of friends that you don't see unless you go to church because the Christians are not very visible in daily life. And and then they were witnessing disaster. Among all the French residents. We all are affected by this clearly, well, you mentioned Paris attacks. And we thinking how much you've seen through your lens? This is the cafe in stadium. Attacks in two thousand fifteen and at that time, you would charge under French criminal law for photo that you took France has much tighter restrictions on photographs French criminal law forbids, the publication of photographs of survivors of crimes or terrorist acts without their permission in your case. You took an incredibly powerful photo of a victim who said had passed all the charges against you were dismissed, but not before a trial who's very painful time. But to us we were thinking, you know, Charlie updo, the Paris attacks, you you're a war photographer, and yet you've seen through your lens so much on the streets of Paris. Yes. Exactly. It's true that I have photographs. So a lot of conflicts lot of disasters. It's true that when I came back to pay I came back for more sheltered life. And it seems that the conflict has followed me and disaster have fallen me. And I. Never expected it. But I am trained to cover these kind of situation to the point that I did Joel that cost me months of trial. And although I was the charges were dismissed it. It's a trail that deeply hurt me. But I did nothing wrong. I did my job. And I did my job like I do it anywhere in the world. I didn't pay too. And maybe Parisiens have a better sense of their right to their image sometime. They have an two cents of the right to the image. But I believe that everybody had a sense of the drama that was unfolding before with nothing done burning. Did you have a sense? I am photographing history. Of course. And I was talking to neighbors. What's the day today? We have to remember that date April fifteen two thousand nineteen these at date that will Mark history for us in France, maybe in the world as well. Well, April fifteenth is a day that has a lot of resonance here Wolfson. It was the marathon bombing many other events on the fifteenth. That's Parisian news. Tiger for my Vitton. White will have many of her dramatic photographs at here now dot org as Notre Dom was burning my. Thank you so much for speaking with us. Thank you very much. This is here now. The musical Haiti's town officially opens today on Broadway. It's retelling of the Greek myth of Orpheus ritzy. Orpheus a young dreamer and songwriter. Your it ac- his muse who captured the attention of Haiti's brings her into the underworld. Orpheus follows your at ac- down to rescue her. The book lyrics and music Haiti sound or by singer songwriter a nest Mitchell it's directed by. Rachel chavan. I saw it last year in London before the cast picked up and headed for. Join now by some of the cast members of Haiti's town Patrick page who plays Haiti's, welcome. All right. Thanks and read Cardi who plays Orpheus high Reeve. Hi, jerry. And Eva nobles AGA who plays Eurydice welcome to you as well. Thank you for having us. And I want to start just by asking you because so much of this show involves the music of the show which was written by an AS Mitchell. How you feel about sort of taking this old tail and and making it new with with this music, and I'll I'll open it up to any of you to talk about that. I think the great thing. But Greek tragedies they exist to teach us about ourselves. And so our show had places it in an undetermined time within sort of a club setting. So it feels like it does have a timeless element. But in a different way than they Greek miss, it feels new because of the songs, but you're right. It's it's undetermined, maybe depression, maybe even earlier than that. Yeah. And the music from me was the thing that attracted me to the project to begin with it was unlike anything I'd heard on Broadway before more like things, I listened to it home like Leonard Cohen, Tom waits. Jeff, Buckley, Joni Mitchell, it had a sound that just hooked me in and songs that I wanted to sing and songs that I wanted to listen to I tell everybody that my dirty little secret about the show is that. Although I've now been involved with this show for a period of three years and performed it many times. And rehearsed it, many many many many times I will still when I go to the gym put on a song from the show to work out because I liked the music that much even what about you. What attracted you to this show? I think the fact that it the music is very expressive. So no matter who's listening to it and with their musical background that than when they were growing up or what influences them most. The music is kind of a free for all you take. What you get. And you let it wash over you. And it's such an experience for the singers and performance as well. It sounds different to me every night. So it's hugely fresh every single night. I was going to wait to ask you about this Patrick. But since people have just heard your voice, we have to talk on how low it goes in a show. I mean, it's just when you speak. It is this deep voice, unlike any other, but in the show, you have to sing very very. Hey little song or give me a Saul busy may not gain stale. Yeah. Wrote this crazy role which is the king of the underworld. And you know, it is truly we call it. Sometimes a folk opera, and I'm never sure exactly what that means. But in terms of the way it stretches the singers Boyce's, you know, I don't have to do a whole lot to embody the king of the underworld because NASA has already done that with where she's written the role. So he sings in a way that you don't normally hear someone saying on stage. And that tells you right off the bat. Oh, he's he's supernatural. He's not a human being. And in a way, she's done the same thing with Orpheus Reeve has to sing these airy high Diculeng high knows? It's actually really exciting for me to be involved in a theatrical project that allows you to use those parts of your range because it is quite unusual on both the low end Anaheim for Patrick, and I, but it's it's it's great because I grew up listening to a lot of female singers, and Bobby mcferrin was a huge influence on me. And so for me, I it's quite it's awesome to have a chance to mess with that on stage, and if the ethical sitting, well, the other thing is it really brings forward the idea that your character with those high notes sort of the idealist, and you Patrick are are kind of the realist, you're you're down on the ground. Old opera tradition of base being the heavy imitator being the hero. You know? And it's and yet completely modern in this context that word modern Eva, how do you take a character like yours sort of scrappy and make it modern and relatable? It's wrapping up modern. Well, in the original myth, your energy doesn't really have a voice she kind of just waifs around. And then goes back down underground. And I think what's incredible. Is that with the people the creative on the team? They've really allowed me to express it in a way that she is very scrappy and punky and she's a survivor, but she also uses her instincts to make certain choices without giving too much away. And there's also a beautiful love story. And that's also I think as modern as you can get with portraying falling in love everyone can relate to that. So yeah, I just it was nice to give her a voice and for her not to be victimized in this play. No, you're doing this show in the United States at a time. When obviously we've been hearing a lot about building the wall. President Trump talking about building the wall in your show, which was written before President Trump started saying that you. Patrick, your character has people building a wall. And there's a song about it. Oh, the wall. Keep three children. Feel. All of us. Yeah. I mean, in addition to being an extraordinary, poet, lyricist and composer, it seems that an as is a bit of a prophet, right? And she's taken this idea of wall and a wall that can never be finished which must always be worked on and put it into the show. But she said once you know, that any similarity between that wall and any current wall being built or or pretending to be built in the United States is purely archetypal, but there's gonna be a reaction in this country that is going to be probably different even than than overseas. Just because of the the conversation that's going on right now, it is different. But anytime you have someone who's trying to hold onto power, which is what my character is doing even trying at. That moment to build up his own sense of himself its own sense of power because his relationship is threatened with his marriage, a political things come from personal things. So he's feeling threatened in his personal life. He goes out on a holds a rally in which he gets everyone to chant about building a wall. What about the politics of it? Well, I think I agree with Patrick, I think that the physical walls, we tend to create as humans tend to stem from emotional walls things walls that we build against intimacy, and togetherness unity all those things. I mean, there's so many walls, you can build that prevent you from feeling something. That's that's where I think it starts in our show deals with those things. I mean, you know, love fear hope trust doubt and the world now is so complex and moving so fast. And so scary that it's not surprising to me that people would want to think. Oh, well, there's a solution. Will simply build this barrier. And we'll keep all of the good people inside. And we'll put all of the bad people on the outside. And we'll be safe. That's that's what Haiti's is appealing to. Hey, these appealing to everybody's desire in particular Eurydice desire to feel safe and comfortable at the expense of feeling loved feeling creative in feeling free. She can have one or the other at least that's the bargain that I offer her until Orpheus shows are that necessarily. It's not like that. You can you can perhaps choose love, and creativity and freedom, and you can still have some sense of security. I want to just ask each of you finally what it is like to do this show night after night after night after night for so long. Oh, it's great. You. Discover new things every day. Don't you think? Yeah. You certainly do. And I mean, we we were very lucky that with the company we get to keep with amber gray, Andre de shields. And our team, you know, a NAS Rachel chaff kin who really is. You know, a genius the energy that the audience is now giving us this is my fifteenth Broadway show, and I have never ever seen any reaction like this from an audio. What do you mean it's like being at a rock concert? It's like being when I would go see Bano engine you to, you know, the the energy that the audience is feeding to the stage the energy we have three four five hundred people waiting for us at the stage door when we come out because they don't want the experience to end they want to have just a little more contact with the people that I saw on the stage. So I know something very specialist happening that has Patrick page. We've also been speaking with Reeve Carney and Eva nobles zodda. They are all in the musical. Haiti's town, which is on Broadway at the Walter Kirk theatre. Thank you so much to all of you for joining us. So. Anyway, and you can find out more information about the show at here. Now. Step in. Suitcase full of some seventy. This message comes from here. And now sponsor ember. Wave ember wave the revolutionary personal thermostat. That is designed to help you feel cooler or warmer at the press of a button ember wave can put you in control in places like you're freezing office uncomfortable. Airplanes restaurants, trains, cafes and more named one of time magazine's best inventions of Twenty-eight teen. Learn more at ember wave dot com and use code NPR to save fifty dollars checkout ember wave control your comfort. And let's check in Colorado where public schools are closed in. A man hunt is on after the FBI announce last night that eighteen year old soul. Pisces flew for Miami to Denver on Monday immediately. But a pump action shotgun. They say she is infatuated with the nineteen ninety nine Columbine shooting and is on the loose the twenty th anniversary of that shooting in which twelve students and a teacher died is Saturday. Jenny Brune dean is a reporter at Colorado public radio, Jenny. How did this teenager get on law enforcement's radar? Yes. At a press conference last night. It turns out that law enforcement in Miami had been on this case, we don't really know much more about how she came to their attention. But they let the law enforcement here in Colorado. No yesterday morning that Seoul pice was in town and should be considered a credible threat. And that's when law enforcement here took over. We're also reading that her parents reported her missing on Monday, she didn't come back Sunday night. And when the Denver post called their home and if agent answered there, so obviously concern in Miami. But that also raises the question, Colorado, we understand has some tougher gun laws after both Columbine and the Aurora theater shooting. If there was concern about her in Miami. How is she able to buy a pump action shotgun and munition as soon as she landed. Well, she's eighteen years old. She's of age she's not on the radar of anybody in. Terms of having any felony convictions. Her dad, I guess was quoted as saying she has a mental health problem. But that doesn't appear to be anywhere in the system as of yet Colorado just passed a red flag law just this week in fact, so yeah, she she's legally able to buy a weapon interesting of a red flag law. So somebody police can take the gun away from someone if it's a thought that they might harm themselves or others. And we also know Columbine high has now one of the most fist keta security systems in the country, but it's still close along with many other school systems. What's the sense there of security? Yeah. About thirty school districts are closed today. Some of them quite off the Denver metro area. In fact, so they're putting an excessive precaution. But Jefferson County in which Columbine is located has probably one of the most sophisticated high alert systems for responding to threats and threats probably listeners would be surprised to know how common they are across the country for exa-. Apple safe to tell which is an anonymous reporting service were teenagers to report threats last year loan sixteen thousand tips twenty seven hundred for suicide attempts sixteen hundred bullying and six hundred ninety two or for planned school attacks. That's in Colorado alone. You know, we heard about that safe to tell line from the former principal of Columbine highschool. Frankie Angeles will link to an interview with him at here now dot org. But when we spoke to him, you know, he has PTSD so many of the adult children that were in the school during the shooting. Have it? What is the mood in the city? Now knowing that there's an armed young lady who has a fascination with shooting. Well, I think it's safe to say there's an anxious mood. Columbine started receiving heightened interest in their school kind of disturbing fascination with Columbine upwards of a month ago with up to twenty people a day visiting. Outside the school wanting to take pictures of the school. And so I would say parents are quite nervous and anxious. Well, yeah, that's disturbing to hear a head of the nursery Jenny Brune dean -education reporter for Colorado public radio. Thank you so much. Thank you. Early spring snowstorms mean that many ski resorts in the mountain west are still open and some plan to be into next month in Colorado alone, more than seven million people will have hit the slopes this season. And there will probably be injuries every day. Now, you might wanna know how many injuries or where they happen. But as an investigation by Michael Deo, Anna at member station K U N C in Greeley, Colorado found resorts don't share information about all their injuries. And that means people can't gauge their risks from resort to resort. I met Jacob keepings house in Castle Rock south of Denver. Was like. Like, I found the twelve year old through some of the few incident reports the state requires on ski related injuries your but was not on in your holding onto the back to that year. Stay. Last February keeping fell out of a chairlift on his first ever ski trip. He says he never got seated right? And the lift just kept going up the slope. And so you're holding on what were you thinking all time? Well, I most of the time was I will I may get he was taking a class of the grand be rant resort and western Colorado. Another kid about his age was also in the chair trying to help him telling him to hang on. I was yelling top of my lunch. He was hoping someone would hear him and stop the lift. And I thought I was dead. Not dead by was going to die. Jacob has never told his story before turns out. It's a familiar one nine year old boy was taken to the hospital after falling thirty one feet mature lift at the Aspen highlands ski resort over the week. That's another boy who is hospitalized after falling earlier this year. Also this year a six year old girl fell from a chair lift at the door or resort near boulder. Leading a group of moms there to demand safety improvements. The resort said it's reviewing its policies calling such incidents extremely rare. But the company's response set mom Lee, Fisk, thank you for your feedback. We basically stand by our public statement that says we're reviewing all of our policy is and this was rare. But the problem with that, of course, is we don't know how rare was 'cause we can't get the data to find out. Just how many of these incidents take place on Colorado's slopes K when she filed a freedom of information request with the state's passenger tramway Safety Board. We. Learned that seventy four people slipped or fell out of chairlifts between twenty thirteen and twenty eighteen and about a third of them were kids under eighteen we also learned that these injuries are only a tiny sliver of ski and snowboard injuries across the state and resorts aren't required the publicly report most injuries, they do release. Some injury information to the Colorado based national scary as association a major trade group. Dave bird is director of risk and regulatory affairs. The rate of catastrophic injuries per one million skier visit remains below one. In one million more than two hundred ski resorts across the country report their worst injuries to the industry group, a broken back broken neck ally faltering head injury paralysis paraplegic that's thing in the twenty seventeen eighteen ski-season bird said there were thirty seven catastrophic Inge. Series. He couldn't break down those numbers by resort or even by state. He also couldn't say how many other injuries on the slopes are considered less than catastrophic. The individual ski patrols at skiers are tracking those in analyze everything from a slip and fall a parking to cocoa burn in the lodge to sunstroke two tornado C L really the resorts polish those it's. No, not that. I'm aware of it. And I think that there's good reason that they don't the range of injuries does isn't gonna tell you much you'd have to put it into context with their individual skier visits, and that's closely held marketing, you know. Eagle mountain skier a hypothetical skier, it doesn't want its competitors. To know how many skier visits they had. That means there is no comprehensive data to determine exactly how many people are injured on resorts. And what kind of injuries they sustained. So I turned to the State Department of public, health and environment. Biostatistics this is Kirk bowl. Speaking bowl has a little known hospital insurance claims spreadsheet, it is massive and in it. There's information on all kinds of ski and snowboard injuries. Fall from skiing fall from snowboarding or hitting a tree while skiing or snowboarding. Those types of things or at least a collision of some form in twenty seventeen in Colorado. There were five thousand six hundred sixty emergency room visits related skiing or snowboarding and five hundred ninety seven hospital discharges. That's roughly the same timeframe as thirty seven catastrophic injuries tracked. By the national Ski Association. There are limits to the hospital data it doesn't link injuries to resort but four physician and safety watchdog, Dan, Gregory. There's a clear disconnect between what the industry says about injuries. And what the public really knows in the interest of the ski resorts to play down the accident and injury risk at ski resorts. Gregory is president of the snow sports safety foundation, a nonprofit based in California that he founded after investigating the snowboarding death of his daughter in two thousand and six while the ski industry questions whether hospital information is as reliable as peer reviewed safety studies based on reports from Representative ski area's Gregory sees things differently. If a patient has to be at mid to the hospital in today's world because of an injury that's a serious injury. We don't admit people of for for minor things and people go to emergency rooms usually for fairly. Injuries. K UNC's investigation found tens of thousands of ski related emergency room visits and hospital discharges since two thousand eleven and the data is just sitting in a state government, computer, the public can access the information, but the state doesn't publish it. Gregory says that's a problem state leaders need to address it's also a public safety risk that public policy makers are not aware of because the data's not out there for them to be made aware of it. His organization has worked for years to require resorts to file public plans. That include details about injuries, and what's being done to prevent them. So far, none have. And at the moment. Gregory is pushing legislation in Maine to do that. It's an idea that resonates with Lee Fisk one of the moms from boulder demanding more accountability from the ski resorts. I think a lot of parents would choose their passes. There ski school be somewhat safe for their kids. She'd like to see resorts publish injury information in the same way that schools publicly track student achievement. Don't just get to say family friendly. And have that me nothing and for those who are hurt pursuing a case in court is difficult. If not impossible that was the case for about a dozen families. We spoke to for this story, including the parents of Jacob keeping both ways that I reached out to told me because I had signed the waiver at the ski school that they were totally in the clear there was nothing. They could go after them for that team. Keeping Jacob's mother Jacob was relatively lucky. He was only bloodied and bruised after his fall from the chairlift, but was left struggling with severe anxiety all told his medical and therapy needs cost the family about five thousand dollars. They never did find a lawyer who would take their case to court. Mill was sure was. To I would defense. I didn't even want as when you reach out. I was like there's an incident report audited know that two page report written by the resort and sent to state officials says to the best of our knowledge the child turned sideways on the carrier to look behind and then slipped and fell to the ground. You think it's fair for them to say this report that it's easier. No, it was all their fall, in my opinion, the keepings felt lift operators weren't paying attention. As Jacob got onto the lift Graham, be ranches incident report said it launched an investigation after the fall, but the resort declined our request for an interview to learn more about whether any specific safety changes were made for here. Now, I'm Michael the Anna in Greeley, Colorado. And if you want to see more details of the K U N C investigation. Go to here now dot org. You can actually check individual chairlifts at resorts in Colorado. Uh-huh. And see how many accidents there have been? And spring and lucky us here. Now resin chef Kathy guns says in the studio to celebrate the season with three dishes to bowl us over bulls. Get it see what I did there. I think very clever. Hello everything's in a bowl. That's that's a hot concept. It is an a ball. And I like to think of myself as someone that doesn't succumb to trends and bowls are big trend. You've probably seen them in restaurants in magazines. And here's the concept. Here's why it works. Why it's not just a trend. You have all these delicious elements in one bowl. How is it different than putting it on a plate? Well, ultimately, it isn't. But it would be a lot more boring on a plate. I think the idea. Here's what you do. Okay. You have a bowl, and you have to think of this like a savory smorgasbord of textures and flavors and colors. So you start by taking a grain the grain could be. The simplest white rice. But more interesting would be Brown rice or black rice or an heirloom variety of rice. You could use couscous or Isreaeli couscous farro Qinhua keen wa my least favorite grain of just come clean. No. But lots of people keen wine. Keen wise. Great, ripples sweet potatoes. Next comes a protein. This could be grilled salmon, grilled chicken, tofu roasted vegetables. So we're layering we've got our grain. We've got our protein. Then if you want very simple sauce, a me, so ginger lemon CHAI Chimi chara. And then you could slap a poached egg on it. You could put quick pickles on it. Let's let's start with what you have. Because this is exactly what I've done. There's one here with just vegetables. Look, it's not just that definitely Jared vegetables and it specifically spring vegetables, I took leaks and spiritus beautiful spring. Vegetables and roasted them I also had some brussel sprouts. And I roasted those up till they got really crispy I love when the leaves fall off, and they kind of Brown and getting crunchy I roasted cherry tomatoes, and I cooked a pot of farro, which is a whole grain hold week that shaped a little bit like barley, skews me and drizzled the whole thing with the lemony chives in gret. The other thing about these balls that we need to say right up front is you could mix and match these any which way you want. If you have leftover white rice from last night's dinner. That's your base, but these roasted vegetables, you can make big batch and use them in any way, isn't it. Beautiful. If I say, so get -freshing. Okay. The next one has some chicken does the next one is a chicken and Isreaeli couscous bowl and the green sauce that's mixed into the couscous and also drizzled on top of the chicken is a green salon throw scallions sauce. Throw salon through garlic Skauen parsley olive oil into a blender food processor worl- it up saute, some chicken FIS. I have some Ruge la- leaves there. Again, we're playing with textures and flavors peppery, raw rubella leaves pickled some radishes overnight through those in just pickled radishes overnight. Have art is that it is. Okay, ready? Yeah. Boil vinegar water pinch sugar pinch of salt done put in a jar throw in some onions or scallions and radishes. That's why I say, I'm just pickled some radishes you too can pickle radishes spears of raw cucumber, you know, you could add the roasted cherry tomatoes to this flavors colors textures. That's what these bowls are all about this rock. You cover has the skin on it, which I like, but a lot of people don't like that. Then they can take it off your. Your. No, I those are the long hothouse English cucumbers. They're clean the skin, and I really like it. But of course, you can and the third bowl. Maybe one of my favorites is a broiled me, so ginger salmon, take filet of salmon, you rub some white me. So into it chop, some ginger ginger slivers broil it, and then I can't remember what I put that on the one that was dark rice, that's the black rice. 'cause I love how nutty that is texture texture texture, then we make a sauce with ginger and me, so and scallions and we add beautiful KADO slices some being sprouts. These are sprouted peas you could add cucumbers again radishes seeds nuts. You know? I think it is different from a plate. Don't you? It's more like a soup without the soup or salad with with grain instead of completely a one bowl meal. I mean, it's right there. Again, if you're working with leftovers, you can really play around if you cook some of the things that head of time, they come together very quickly for a Wednesday night meal, and you can just keep playing you could crumble cheese on top or scallions or toasted chickpeas writer ready. Yeah. Come on, you could serve this for dinner party. Well, and I might be Saturday night. And it's going to be yours, and I'm gonna claim in his mind. It's one year four here to make you look good. And this has been our segment with a resin chef Kathy guns. Germany, and I also refer to it as lunch and have all recipes here, now doubt or and black rice. I'm going to use black rice in whatever. I really feel like it must be much better for you this. It is. Okay. It's all in here now dot org. You can see all these recipes, Kathy. Thanks. Thanks. Senior. And here. Now's production NPR WVU artists with the BBC World Service. I'm robin. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is.

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"A new man in the president's ear to help decide the next step with Iran. The lead starts right now. Breaking news president trump off names a new national security adviser and he turns up the heat on Iran does the US government claims new evidence may show Ron has launched the missiles that blew up a Saudi oilfield also breaking today possible terrorist times prosecutors say an airline mechanic accused of sabotaging passenger yet had a graphic like isis video on his phone and that's just the beginning plus stonewall. America's intelligence chief denies Congress a look at an urgent whistle blower complained waned as mandated by law. What is the trump administration hiding. Welcome to the lead. I'm Jake Tapper Zapper and we begin with the world lead today president trump today trotting out his fourth national security advisor in less than three years amid growing tensions with Iran Robert Brian who served as special envoy for Hostage Affairs at the State Department has been tapped for the new role one day after the president quoted O'Brien is calling him the president the quote wrote greatest hostage negotiator in history the president today also announcing as part of the response to the bombing of the Saudi oilfields plans to substantially increase actions actions against the Iranian regime and warning the US as additional options on the table including potential military confrontation right now secretary of state. Mike pompeo is in Saudi career Saudi Arabia reviewing the evidence collected from the attacks which pompeo called quote active war. Pompeo over the weekend directly blamed Iran for the attack. The president trump has been a bit more circumspect about definitively pinning the blame. The president is being pushed and pulled in every direction. So what will Mr Trump ultimately do C. N. N.'s Barbara Starr are kicks off our coverage from the Pentagon standing next to his new national security adviser President Trump still stopping short of military reaction against Iran for its alleged attack on Saudi oil facilities. We're really at a point now where we know very much what happened. Secretary of State Date Mike Pompeo shortly before landing in Saudi Arabia for talks with Crown Prince Mohammad bin. Salman told reporters that the strikes on Saudi oil facilities acivities were an Iranian attack on an unprecedented scale calling it an act of war there were no Americans killed in this attack ah but anytime you have an active war of this nature. There's always risk that could happen. However POMPEO did not provide details definitively showing the attack was launched from inside Iran over the Today Saudi defense officials showing the world remnants of what they say are alleged Irani missiles and drones used in the massive attack that disrupted world oil markets Iran denies involvement but the Saudis insist the weapon are of Iranian origin was large and was unquestionably Komo sort of Iran while via twitter president trump announcing. He is imposing more sanctions. The Pentagon has been told to ensure plans for military options are up to date but there is no indication of imminent. US military action several officials telling CNN any strikes. Would you have to be a coalition effort and president trump wants the Saudis involved and we're looking at those issues now and getting briefed up. What did you next about? Iran run may be front and Center for Robert O'Brien the US hostage negotiator trump named as his new national security adviser. He did a tremendous this job on hostage negotiation really tremendous like unparallel. We've had tremendous success in that regard one senior. White House official says it shows trump wants a consensus builder not a show boater a dig. Perhaps it predecessor John Bolton a well-known Hawk piece peace restraint monster that will keep the American people say from the challenge round the world today and the latest development. It's been announced that Saudi Arabia has has now joined the international coalition to try and ensure maritime security in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz Jake our Barbara Starr for us at the Pentagon. Thanks so much joining me. Now is democratic. Senator Chris Murphy Connecticut he serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee senator. Thanks for joining us a US official Chelsea that they have imagery showing weapons used used in the attack being staged in Iran. Had you seen this intelligence. Are you convinced. Iran is responsible. I have read some limited intelligence that was provided to the United States Congress upon reading it. It seems to me that there was likely Iranian involvement in this attack but I think the details are still to be decided added and I would like the chance to be able to talk to those who have interpreted the intelligence we have. That's an important question but this idea that the administration has that we have some secret defense treaty with Saudi Arabia. I think is really dangerous. Ultimately this was not an attack on the United States attack on Saudi oil assets and this administration in his acting as if we are the security guarantor for all of our friends and allies in the Middle East that never we've conducted our business in part because we know that when the United States gets militarily involved in the Middle East more things go wrong then go right so this is a moment I think for very careful consideration of what we do and what we advise the Saudis to the the argument would be senator that that the attack on the Saudi oilfield is an attack on the world economy Konami not just on one country you disagree with that well. Let's just remember how this all started jake with started because the United States pulled pulled out of the Iranian nuclear agreement and then started sanctioning the Iranian economy limiting their access to the world oil market as well and at some point point there has to be an adult who is going to start an a deescalatory cycle we are caught in an escalatory cycle in which each side decides to respond in kind mind it will eventually get us into a war and so what I would recommend this administration is that they find a way to start talking directly to the Iranians about how to get got us out of a pattern that is headed towards a place where no one wins it seems as though the US government takes very seriously the intelligence and information being provided to to the US government to the trump administration by the the Saudi government the Saudi foreign minister and others why should the US believe a word they have to say given how they blatantly lied about how they murdered Washington Post columnist Jamaa Shuki Right Remember for twenty days. The Saudis told us they had nothing to do with Gamal Jamal Kashoggi's murder and in fact they had not only murdered him dismembered him and knew about it for those entire two weeks adds to that the fact that they have been misrepresenting the nature of their military involvement involvement in Yemen for years intentionally targeting civilians when they told us they weren't I just find the whole nature of the relationship to be preposterous. The administration acts as if we are the inferior partner when the Saudis need our help we go to Saudi Arabia instead of the Saudis coming here. We decide that we're going to wait until the Saudis. Tell us what they want to do. That's not how this relationship works. The Saudis need the United States much more than we need them especially when today their oil isn't as important as it I used to be and I wish that we would start acting like we are what we are. which is the dominant partner in this relationship? Let's say that the Iranians did actually carry out about this strike not just the who the rebels who were allied with Iran but actually Iran. What do you think would be the appropriate response if anything so the the response would be to try to convince all parties in the region to stop this series of escalatory measures. I get it that it would probably make a lot of Americans feel good if we responded tit for tat but if that ultimately gets us into a shooting war with the Iranians that's not good for anybody so at some point there has to to be a movement to end these escalations and so even if the earnings were directly involved it may be that the Saudis decide to take action themselves why on Earth we sold all the Saudis hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons if they can't defend their own territory the United States should be playing the role of the D. escalator here the force for for for peace and for a reasonable outcome to what is an unreasonable escalation of actions right now would you support president trump meeting meeting with Iranian President Ruhani. The UN General Assembly given what's occurred over the last several days with Iran or even independent of that just to try to improve relations well. I think we should start talking to the Iranians right now about how to to stop this crisis from getting any worse might only worry about the the president talking to Rohani that might make things worse not better if there is no exchange of diplomatic priorities ahead of that meeting. I'm not sure we come out better at the end of it. So how diplomacy normally works is that you actually have mid level bureaucrats and diplomats talking to each other before the principals get together. That's not how this administration has worked and we see how it's gone in North Korea so I generally don't have any problem with talking Gourd adversaries but in in this situation I think it might be better for secretary Pompeii or people that work from him to do some outreach ahead of a meeting between trump and Romney Senator Chris Murphy Democrat from Connecticut. Thanks so much for your time appreciate it. Thanks alarming revelations today about commercial airline worker accused of trying to sabotage a flight right before takeoff in the US asked why prosecutors believe he has multiple ties to the terrorist group Isis. That's next plus a teenager from Sweden who to Capitol Hill by storm today. Stay with US Lord Lord. Martha Stewart wants to give you three free meals for your own in-home taste test. That's right Martha's meal Kit Delivery Service. Martha and Marley spoon soon is giving away three full size meals to be part of Martha's free. Atom taste tests visit. MARLEY SPOON DOT COM slash C. N. N. Forget about awful frozen. Food would an unhealthy fast food. Martha wants you to enjoy three of her best thirty minute meals for free go to Marley spoon dot com slash. CNN that's MARLEY SPOON DOT DOT COM slash CNN back with breaking news in our national lead now authorities alleging today that the American Airlines mechanic accused of trying to sabotage. I should plane before takeoff the one who claimed he did so in order to earn more overtime pay has ties to isis. They say not only did Abdulmajid. Alani have an isis video on his phone phone but the suspect claims his brother is actually a member of the terrorist group. I want to bring in March and Rene. What what else are we learning about. The suspects alleged ties to the terrorist group. That's where a lot came out in federal court in keep in mind. This is in the context of a bond hearing where the prosecutors were arguing that his his bond be denied all that being said besides the isis video that they say not only was on his cell phone but that he shared it with others they also say that. Alani told fellow employees at American Airlines that he travelled to Iraq to visit his brother who was a member of Isis. prosecutors also said that the defendants roommate roommate said that he travelled to Iraq because his brother had been kidnapped another allegation that came up in court was that on Alana's cell phone there was a news article that he received from an unknown sender which essentially referenced the Lion Air Plane Crash remember. That was a plane crash that involved at seven thirty seven Max that was the first crash involving the seven thirty seven Max that article made specific references ought to the air data module system that happens to be the same system that he tampered with on that commercial airliner should underline this despite all these allegations in record this bond hearing alon is not charged with any terror related crimes right. That's where I mean at this point. He's not he's. He's charged with tampering with this plane need but that's not to say at some point. Additional charges will be added but as I speak to you he is not facing any charges having to do with terrorism Ernie March. Thanks so much I want to bring in former CIA counterterrorism official Phil Mudd Phil. What's your initial response when you hear about this longtime airline employees Alani having alleged isis ties. My first response is look. You're going to look at this and say he must have been an isis member. I'd have a couple of basic questions number one. Why are you putting something over a sensor instead of taking making the plane down. If your intent is to commit an act of terrorism the other thing is the terrorists and I'm experienced with once you take them down. They want to send a message to the world that they're proud of what they do. Why why does it take the prosecutors to say. He's an Isis member. Why does any standard say I did it for the cause of God. I'm a member of Isis is confusing this one well also I mean I just have to say I. I have no idea about about this. Individuals Ties Isis or is guilt or innocence but I have to say prosecutors often especially in a bond hearing juice up as much information as they have to try to get the judge or the jury the judge in this case on their side sure and I'm with them on this. Let me give you an example of why if you see a video on someone's camera if that individual has traveled Iraq obviously the heartland of Isis one of the questions you might have before judges. It's very complicated judge to look in a war zone and determine what this individual was doing in Iraq what his brother was doing. What is relationship with terrorists was whether he sent money to terrorists years ago so they got to investigate this even if they don't level charges of terrorism. I don't see why they don't tell the judge Lima jail. We you gotTA look although I have to say I mean the individual has a brother who is a member of Isis according to him and he did this acting committed this act he of the stuff on on his phone even if he doesn't have ties to isis ultimately or didn't have a terrorist intent ultimately. You'd think there'd be some sort of screening process where he wouldn't be allowed to work on planes. I mean that makes sense. But what the heck are you going to do once you get somebody in the door. You're going to have a comprehensive program. Whether you're at the CIA American Airlines United Airlines any airline around the world or an airport airport. You're GONNA have a screening program to look at people cellphones or you're going to screen their facebook pages. Are you gonNA screen. They're private travel to determine where they can go and where they can't on principle you. WanNa say we're GONNA look at people who have access to an airplane overtime after they get a job in practice. I don't know how you doing jake all right. Thanks so much appreciate it. The president said today that he's building a border wall note. The word new is not in that line. We're going to separate the promises made versus reality next stay with us. Guys are terrible taking care of their health. Whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable rub some dirt on it than seeing a doctor. I'm guilty of it myself. I love the same is true for erectile. Dysfunction studies show seventy percent of guys who experience. CD Don't get treated for it. Thankfully Roman created an easy way to chat with with the doctor online with Roman. You can get medical care for ed appropriate from the Comfort in privacy of your own home. You can handle everything online and inconvenient discreet manner getting started as simple just go to get Roman dot com slash tapper and complete an online visit. 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Mexico's not being for any of it but be that as it may. CNN's Kaitlan Collins reports for us now Homeland Security the department overseeing this is being led by only acting chiefs with another top official that department having just been fired fired. We're going to the border president trump and close out a fundraising swing on the West Coast with a stop at one of his biggest campaign promises a a promise. He hasn't fulfilled yet. We're GONNA show you a lot of wall. Rebuilding a Lotta Wall despite that claim no new wall has been built along the southern border as house of August though his administration argues that replacing old barriers with new barriers counts trump's border to her comes one day after the White House fire fired the Department of Homeland Security's general counsel John Mitnick was expected to be pushed out months ago after trump's close adviser. Stephen Miller pushed for him to go during a purge of the departments leadership but he managed to hang on for several more months. His departure now adds to the revolving door of officials. FDA JESS which critic say has created a void in leadership in the department that supposed to oversee the nation's borders and domestic terrorism threats and trump isn't leaving California without one last swipe at the Democratic stronghold today he announced his administration will revoke the state's authority to set its own vehicle emission standards that authority let the state set stricter standards than federal rules and twelve other states followed in California's place ice the state's Democratic Governor Gavin newsom firing back at the president and his party. I don't know what the Hell's happened in the Republican Party and by the way where is the Republican. Nobody party right now now jake the president might be clashing with Democrats while he's here but he's raising a ton of money while doing so he's expect to take home about fifteen million dollars after a two day fundraising swing over here on the West Coast he heads back to Washington later tonight. Kaitlan Collins traveling with the president. Thanks so much. Let's all this with our experts. let me start with you. This is a new replacement border wall which had previously been there. This president and trump is does it matter to his base. It's actually any new wall over new places that had not had any barrier there before it does jake I mean this was the prominent preeminent minute thing that the president campaigned on for what you got all the support. I don't think anybody really expected him. The Mexico is GonNa pay for the wall but they expected some wall and that's why you see the president. President is so desperate to appropriate funds from wherever he can to get some new wall and I think those there's going to be some bad commercials of Democrats down on the border filming. No Wall it's been built and while president trump is trying to fulfil this this wall. We should point out there. You have an acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Acting Ice Director director acting. US citizenship and Immigration Services Director Acting Customs and Border Protection Commissioner are we to assume that majority McConnell just doesn't care about advise and consent anymore the for some they have known nominees at all like there's like a real continuity problem here just some basic governing issue with getting people all through the process as far as the wall goes. I I don't I might actually disagree with you. I'm not sure that trump supporters actually care if he stands in front of a wall type structure picture and says we're doing some things and we put some new stuff up there mostly happy because they think someone else's fighting him on it right like he's fighting their battle and maybe he hasn't gotten all the stuff done yet but I don't I'm. I'm not sure they care that much. Is this an issue. The Democrats can actually usually mark suggests or is it or does it matter because of what Mary Katherine I'm not sure if they can fight the fight on his his terms. Which is oh didn't actually get the wall built what I am interested in. Is You know there are some interesting reporting in Washington Post today about these budget requests from Republicans Republicans and Democrats over the years were they weren't that a lot of these projects that are being canceled would do things like make conditions for living for military families dire make a school's uninhabitable or unlivable and can that be used as a means of saying look what he's doing. This is a political prop and he's putting the men and women and their families at risk especially if it was a crisis in one of those exactly and there could be unfortunately because of this so I don't think they can win on the play his game like it's John Wall but there are other ways they can. They can play this game Jamal speaking of playing their game. the president is in California. The administration is announcing. It's going to get rid of that state's ability polity to set its own emission standards. I mean there is an argument here about whatever happened to states rights. We I think part of the reason California gets to do this because Washington. It's so dysfunctional when it comes time to deal with anything with climate change to raise emission standard I was chief of staff or member of Congress from Michigan for a year and I gotTa tell you this is never or something that anybody from that state wanted to hear about but if California did it than all the other companies the companies will have to acknowledge it because once you start doing it for California you can't do fifty different sets of standards so put make sense but it's amazing that the Republicans who have been prostates rights people now say when a state wants to do something good for the climate and the environment the answer is no something else. That's interesting mark. President trump expected net as much as fifteen million dollars just on this trip. That's three million dollars more than Kamala. Harris raised in the whole second quarter of the campaign senator from California Cornea. He's going to have a big war chest and that's going to be a big fear for Democrats monstrous and you know this is just an example of the power of incumbency and trump didn't raise a lot of money the first time around but he you know he has the highest support among a political party of any president ever except for George W Bush right after after nine eleven so and is showing up in the money and they are they are cranking it up and so they're going to have an enormous chess and they're already doing spending a lot of it. In targeting key devoter's out of a passage from coverage of this fundraiser those very of the moment that he was joined by Donald Trump junior and his girlfriend former Fox hose Kimberly Gopal who is also the ex wife wife of Governor Gavin newsom of California and actor and trump critic. Tom Arnold was at the hotel trolling trump's supporters as they arrived for the fundraiser twenty thousand mark made about him spending it as a really important one because Democrats can't underestimate the fact that he's not only raising a ton of money he is spending it digitally online everywhere and far outspending Democrats defining who he is defining who the Democrats are Def- scaring people as to what the Democrats are presenting. That's a challenge a huge challenge for Democrats on this. This goes back to the conversation. You guys were having about the wall because if if the reports are true what president trump is doing. China find every angry you wipe voter he can find as upset or anxious about the changing American demographic. He runs on the wall. Democrats should be using the fact that he's actually not building the wall as a counter message those same people on facebook and twitter wherever they're campaigning. Everyone stick around. We got more to talk about two groups and one shared goal putting pressure on the issue of gun control. How they're we're trying to do it next. Stay with us. Finding a new job is a lot of work. What have you had your own personal recruiter to help you find a better job now. How ziprecruiter's technology can do that for you. Just download the ZIPRECRUITER APP. Let it know what kind of jobs you're interested in and it puts your profile in front of employers. If an employer likes profile Ziprecruiter let you know so if you're interested in the job you can apply listeners should download the free number one rated ziprecruiter job search app today and let the power of technology you work for you and our politics lead today. If you have lost track or interest in the current debate in Washington about what to try to do to curtail gun violence these back to school ads from two groups advocating for tighter restrictions on guns are designed to remind you of the actual stakes sneaker just what I needed for the new year he's really coming handing are colored pencils to the it will stay in touch with my mom that ad from Sandy Hook promise which was founded by family members of Children Faculty killed in the Newtown Massacre. Here's another from a a group affiliated with Gabby giffords organization. These ads are tough to watch Are they effective are they. I mean especially the one with the the little kids crime but are they affective. Will they do anything. I don't think they're going to do anything in this moment immediately right now. I mean the idea that Donald trump trump is going to sign gun reform legislation addressing gun violence or that Mitch McConnell is going to bring it up is a joke and democrats should not fall into that trap but what what I think is a very positive sign. Is that these Democratic candidates are not running away from the need to address gun violence. None of them are pretending they're hunters. There's like they have in the past and I've talked about this a bit on here. None of them are trying to appease kind of part of the gun supporting population nations that they feel like they need or they need to win over that to me is a positive sign. I think a lot of these groups are playing the long game. They're willing to see incremental change. That's good good but they also want to impact the psyche and kind of move people like you know I would say many suburban women who think their kids are going to school in safe neighborhoods and they're sending sending their kids. Their kids are coming home and talking about the guns they did that. Impacts people in a way and people who would have maybe voted the other way in past years so. I think it's a long game not a short game do you you think the politics on this has changed. Why don't just think it. I know it in fact some data from the last few days. It suggests that that gun issues have now surpassed immigration as the most. It's important issue for a lot of voters that said I think it could be a tipping point where there's a lot of evidence to suggest that and but as a Republican strategies I can write the ads right now because has now set out. Loud Republicans have been saying all along the Democrats. Do WanNa take your guns. They want to take away your private insurance. They want to take away border security. Give Healthcare Care to illegal aliens give away free college and by the way a thousand dollars to every voter and in fact the president fired back today on what work has been saying about taking away semi automatic weapons or so-called assault weapons. He tweeted quote dummy. Beto made it much harder to make A. Do convinced many that. Dem's just want to take your guns away. We'll continue forward. I'm not sure if the president is saying he's not going to work on this or not but but except for the dummy part of it that is what mayor p Buddha judge and some other Senator Chris coons have said that that that Oh is making this more difficult because he's he's making Democrats out to be the enemy instead of a group to work right. I like John. I think it's unlikely that they actually pass anything or that. Trump actually supports reports anything. You never know where he's going to come down but I actually think trump is your best bet because he is sort of wavering compass on this and so he feels support building he might do something as opposed host to many other. Republicans but the problem is that the Democrats do have a candidate better who was desperate enough to say the quiet part allowed and that is all all that Republican voters and secondment supporters need to hear because they have suspected it for a long long time and they will dig in their heels and say no with good reason meanwhile attorney general bill bar back on the hill Capitol Hill for the second time this week a document has been circulating around the hill floating the idea of the administration supporting expanded background checks requiring them for all advertise commercial sales including a gun shows trump administration officials are sharing this document but the White House says the president has not signed off on it and the NRA just put data statement opposing it. I mean if you're a Republican legislator from a from a moderate state or a swing district and bill bars in your office saying this is what we want to do and then you hear token. Oh can get at the White House say well. The president has signed off on this. What are you supposed to think. I think you're supposed to I don't know what you're supposed to think. I do know I do know that they watch those those ads. Though I do know that they don't have a heart I don't know if they watch that and they don't have anything pulling on their heart. I don't know what it is. That's going on inside their minds. Michael up in Detroit in one thousand nine hundred I remember studying sitting between my bed and my closet because there was gunfire outside the windows when I was studying. I remember being a party guy. Gets shot got four cars away from me after High School Party when I was there. I gotTa tell you as now as a parent as a new parent. I watched that ad and I think maybe bell was right. Maybe what we need to do is go get the guns because if kids are going to school and this is an watching that ad affected me more than even being in those situations relations when I was a kid I just think I think we're playing politics with something. That is very tough do you do you think that the suburban white woman vote which is kind of up for grabs in a lot of elections. This might be an issue that pushes a lot more. I think that is the area where it's most likely to make a difference the the messaging although I will say if the message is if you disagree with us on gun policy than you are a monster who wants children to die. It's ineffective in convincing people and segments of course have heard it one million times and you will not change any of their minds with it and I think it's heavy handed and it doesn't work. What's the most effective message look. I actually think these ads are incredibly effective and can be incredibly effective with exactly that group. I will say Beto work work. I'm happy he went out there and said this. He's probably not going to be the Democratic nominee. He's not an elected official. I'm not sure we're going to be talking about him. In eight months. We will be talking about this issue. Unfortunately gun violence will still be an issue and there will be many many moms in these suburbs who will be scared and fearful for their kids and so. I don't know that they're going to feel like they're being being bullied. They're going to want to get something done and that's why I think this could be very effective. Maybe we just moved neal's a little bit further in the direction of doing something. Well trump invites everyone everyone to run on that well. I mean the fact that the the the President Republicans can't support initiative has ninety percent support in the country including way over sixty among Republicans. Just on simple back on tracks suggests that the power of special influence like the NRA still has a hammer. Thanks for being here appreciate it coming up next how Democrats might go to hear from a whistle blower silenced inst- by the president's top intelligence chief stay with US remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash slash. CNN In our national lead quote credible and urgent. That's how the Inspector General of the US intelligence community describes a recent whistleblower complaint. Now the law states that the director of national intelligence now has set then had seven days to hand the complaints over to the Congressional Intelligence Committee cleaners or to appear before them to explain why he didn't acting spy chief Joseph Maguire however did not do any of that and he's now refusing fusing comply with a subpoena from the House Intelligence Committee to turn over the whistle blower complaint in his office says he will not show up for Congressional hearing tomorrow on the issue you let's bring in. CNN's Monte Rosh on Capitol Hill Mono what comes next now while it's a big question here on Capitol Hill about exactly what is going to happen exactly really what the nature of this complaint is. Something that has raised alarm bells on Capitol Hill was language letter they came from the Office of the Director of National National Intelligence last night. That said the complaint here involves confidential potentially privileged matters relating to the interest of other stakeholders within in the executive branch. What exactly does that mean. There's a lot of questions that Democrats have is something that this whistleblower may have seen that raise concerns about actions within the trump administration within the white White House. We just don't know the answers to that yet and they're also questions about why this complaint has now been transmitted to Capitol Hill. One of the president himself had any role in that now now. The question is whether or not Joe McGuire the acting director of National Intelligence will actually appear tomorrow at a hearing that the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff has has set up for Thursday morning at the moment does not appear that he's going to appear because the his office is pushed back saying they want more time to comply with these records request. They said they want more talk to discuss. This matter with the committee but chip has threatened to issue a subpoena. If mcgwire doesn't show we'll see ultimately what he decided to do a lot of questions here jake about what exactly this is about our. I'm entourage on Capitol Hill. Thanks so much I wanNA bring back. Former CIA counterterrorism official Phil Mudd so you heard that Phil according to the letter from from the General Counsel for Maguire's office at the complete was about stakeholders within the executive branch and involves quote potentially privileged matters translate that for us. Let's differentiate between between intelligence what's going on in Russia and North Korea and dirt. Let's say there's a dispute between some people in the Intel community. The White House Stakeholder Whitehouse's stakeholder. That's potentially privileged information. I suspect that this relates to embarrassing stuff within the intelligence community in Washington. Maybe related to a place like the White House not related to stuff like North Korea Iran. Take a listen to Congressman Schiff. He's the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee talking to the DNA acknowledged that this involves someone one apparently outside the authority of the deny someone above deny there. Aren't that many in that category again translate that for else who's above the deny. Nobody in the Intel community again got to be a White House. Person is certainly not a member of Congress and you know what this ends up with in shifts pointing out to us rock can hardplace Maguire. The guy involved the good guy a little bit. My friends think he's terrific. He's stuck between his boss. The White House the executive branch in the Guy Adam Schiff shift supposed to get the whistleblower stuff and I'm sure McGuire saying what the heck am I supposed to do. Why don't you guys figure it out but isn't it just the law that they have to turn over the mation or at least six or appear in person explain why now you would think so and if I had bet in Vegas and I am a better I would bet that eventually the stuff comes out and Maguire turns it over but there's gotTa be a dispute. I I think between whether the information is appropriate to pass over whether it complies with the law the problem here is the general counsel is a political guy. The inspector general is not who would you trust here jake in terms of being impartial. I'm going to take the side of the general of the of the Inspector General. Does this concern you at all. What's going on here. It concerns me because if you put it in context of the White House systematically telling Congress screw you. We're not telling you anything this fits into that context. It's also again. I I know people outside. The Beltway Maguire's decorated seal. This is a good guy who stuck it concerns me because another good man is caught in a White House problem all right. Thanks so much really appreciate coming up next the soft-spoken sixteen year old who had the attention of Congress today stay with US rules and the cases. We gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer science to find out police used luminol a chemical which glows when it it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama but where was the rifle and which man was was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join investigators as they take on the toughest toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday and Thursday. You'll never miss out out on getting your forensic fix earth matters series today an activist and international force in the Global Movement to curtail climate change testified on Capitol Hill today but here's what you may not have been expecting. She's only sixteen years old. Greta tune burke from Sweden push back against those those who argue the US should not take any bold action on the climate crisis if countries such as China for instance or not doing the same so I am from Sweden didn't small country and there it is the same argument. Why should we do anything just look at the US. They say so just who you no. That's that is being used against sue. US well tune Burg traveled to the US on zero emissions sailboat. She met with former President Barack Obama yesterday C. N. N.'s bill. We are also caught up with earn. He joins me live now on capitol. Hill Bill. This is a soft spoken girl but her words are having an impact act and it's even more remarkable jake when you meet her in person because she's so tiny she so uncomfortable and crowds and small talk. She's certainly the most effective activists in human history who didn't want to be part of the spotlight and one reason why is her aspects. She admits her or mom is even been very the open about her diagnosis almost as a superpower when it comes to this topic listen my diagnosis has definitely helped help me keep this focus on this because when you're interested about something you just continue read about bounce and you get super focus and for her it's motivated by the fact she sees as a matter of life and death while adults look at the climate. I'm a crisis and say yeah but it's so complicated for her. There is no yeah butts and it's a remarkable when you consider less than a year ago she was inspired by the kids from Park land who walked out of school the demand gun reform and so she plopped down in front of the parliament and Stockholm and within the second day she had company within the second week she had a viral movement within months she was scolding leaders at the UN and she's no she's known until the election and then I and other school striking children's thought that why should we still now and we're making our voices out and when we are actually sort of it's changing the debates about this so the interest jacobs grows and grows but but again it's so telling she speaks truth to power yesterday. A bunch of Democratic lawmakers eight occurs were lauding her comparing her to civil rights heroes and she says look. I don't want your praise. I want your action. I would be in school if you guys did your job and speaking of that timber known for her Fridays for future campaign where students go on strike on Fridays what her plans for this week here here in the US yeah so she inspired the Fridays for future Alexandra via Senor who's been in front of the UN for. I think thirty nine weeks so she'll be right in the middle there with those this kids of five hundred different cities and sites around the country are marking the climate strike on Friday not just school kids there was one point four million in March they think they could double that at least around the world on Friday as well and she's also going to the UN with number of other young people from different countries around the world to file a formal complaint with the UN Council on child rights. They say a livable planet is the right of every child dial all right bill. We're on Capitol Hill. Thanks so much for that bill. You can follow me on facebook instagram and twitter at Jake Tapper. 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October 12, 2018

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October 12, 2018

"Good morning. I'm Anna Palmer and welcomed your politico playbook audio briefing sponsored by Exxon Mobil. We've got an MBA update to start the morning. The Washington Post is reporting that Turkish officials have told the US that they have audio and video recordings that support that Jamal kashogi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Instanbul Alana shores reporting that Senator Chris Murphy plans to introduce a resolution of disapproval. Once congress is notified of the next potential US weapons ill to Saudi Arabia. Last time he and Senator rand, Paul fell four votes short of blocking Assadi weapons deal Murphy predicted they would fare better this time around despite the disappearance, Jamie diamond, Steve Mnuchin, and other big banks. Ios are set to attend a Saadi conference. The Huffington Post is reporting. There are twenty five days until election day, and we've got some big numbers to report house. Majority leader, Kevin McCarthy has transferred five point, seven one million dollars. Hours to the NRC see and state party committees over the last two weeks. In addition to moving one point, five million dollars to members. McCarthy has raised sixty million the cycle. He's transferred eighteen point three million to the NRC see and state party committees and five point seven, seven million dollars to members speaker. Paul, Ryan just took his last trip overseas speaker, a two day stop in Afghanistan with House Armed Services, chairman, MAC, Thornberry of Texas. Congress just passed a big military spending Bill the first ontai military appropriations Bill in a decade. And tasha correctly is up with a story on the GOP strategy to use Hillary Clinton and the anti Pelosi in attack ads. She writes that over the last thirty days close to one hundred Republican funded TV spots, feature Clinton Pelosi or both as villains and they've aired more than thirty four thousand times according to data compiled for politico by advertising analytics. All told she writes, Republican campaigns were affiliated groups have sunk twenty eight point four million dollars into the Clinton and Pelosi messaging over the last month. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that global stocks have rebounded this morning, calming jittery investors and Gabby ores reporting on the shortlist replaced Nikki Haley. Dina Powell has withdrawn her name from contention others on the shortlist Nancy Brinker, former Senator Kelly out and Kelly Kraft who's currently the US ambassador to Canada. The Miami Herald is reporting that at least three are dead and three hundred sixty thousand are in the dark in the wake of hurricane, Michael, and here's what's on tap. For Trump's Friday, the president will depart for Cincinnati at three, ten pm at five fifteen pm. He will hold a round table with supporters and at seven, ten, he will hold a political rally in Lebanon. Ohio Trump will then return to Washington after the campaign event and for your radar. CNN is reporting that Trump has done a sit down interview with sixty minutes will air Sunday subscribe to playbook. A politico dot com slash playbook.

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Monday, November 18, 2019

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"From Washington DC. This is Westwood. One Daily News for Monday November Eighteenth Twenty nineteen. I'm John Trout. What apparently Lee was organized as a fun gathering a family's home turn to tragedy? At least ten people were shot. Four of them killed last night at a Football Watch party thirty in Fresno California the latest on the situation from our bill michaels. The shooting took place about six. PM While people were gathered to watch football game Fresno Snow Police. Lieutenant Bill Dooley says officers are piecing together. Exactly what happened. This was a A gathering family infringe gathering in the backyard. Everyone was watching a football game this evening. When unknown suspects approached the The residence snuck into the backyard opened. Fire the suspects inflect fled. We have no suspect information at this time. No big with the nation but obviously working on that right now Fresno police chief Michael Rea details what police do know. I know at least one suspect and began firing. They fired into the backyard where most of the people were in this party. Striking ten people and of course that gunshot federal agents are assisting the local police with gathering details about the shooting. I'm bill Michaels. Eight witnesses are scheduled to testify this week before the House Intelligence Intelligence Committee which is spearheading the impeachment probe correspondent. Linda Kenyon has the story. One of the high profile. Witnesses will be Gordon Sunlen the US ambassador to the European Union Union Democratic Representative. Sean Maloney tells. ABC's this week. Sunlen testimony is key ambassadors Sunlen. Who at the President's instruction told the Ukrainians cranium either go to a microphone and announced an investigation of the Biden's or there will not be military assistance that is limitation of abroad? And why's that so bad. What that is an impeachable offense listed in the Constitution Gordon Sunland gave a closed-door deposition to the committee and later amended his testimony? I don't know why he decided to alternate come Clean Democratic Senator Chris Murphy on CNN state of the Union. Mr Solomon has to decide whether his primary loyalty to America or whether his primary loyalty is the president. Doesn't the United States Democratic Representative. Jim himes on Fox News. Sunday says this may go beyond a simple question of loyalty. It was not lost on ambassador. Sunland what happened happened to the president's close associate Roger Stone for lying to Congress to Michael Cohen for lying to Congress the truth according to Republican representative. Jim Jordan is that there was no quid. Pro Quo no bribery. No anything there's all kinds of talk about things but it did it happen Jordan made his comments on. CBS space the nation. He was backed up by Republican. Senator Ron Johnson on NBC's Meet the Press. And Johnson says this whole thing boils down to the whistleblower who brought the matter to light is never would have been exposed that funding would have been restored and our relationship. Ukraine would be far better off than it is today on. ABC's this week. Republican representative. Chris Stewart said. That's why the American people need to hear here from the whistle blower. How in the world can you impeach the president of the United States and never hear from the person who started that process house speaker? Nancy Pelosi tells CBS's face face the nation she will not allow president trump's a bully the whistle blower who is protected by federal law. Make sure he does not intimidate the whistle blower Pelosi Pelosi says the president has already taken great pains to intimidate others including former US ambassador to Ukraine. Maria Vich who testified in open session on Friday. Ed President is basically telling you during your testimony is that there may be consequences to you and your family and your paycheck. If you don't shut up Senator Chris Murphy on CNN talking about tweets. The president sent sent out. While you're gonNA Vich was testifying. I would prefer not provide that type tweet. But Senator Ron Johnson on NBC. Says the tweet was not impeachable. Many are asking. How long will this go on? It is self evident that we have open hearings for the next week and then says Speaker Pelosi on CBS. We'll have to see Linda Indyk. Kenyon Washington Hong Kong. Police have swooped in with tear gas and batons as protesters who've taken over a university campus. Make an apparent last asked ditch effort to escape arrest. Protesters concerned on the campus emerged in force and were greeted by tear-gas from police who had blocked all ways out of the area Hong Kong's anti-government protests have been raging for more than five months. The mayor of South Bend Indiana holds a clear lead lead in the first in the Nation Caucus state climbing to twenty five percent in a new CNN des Moines Register Media Com poll of likely Iowa Caucus Goers then Marxists sixteen point increase boot `age since September former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg in public. Admission appears to be closer to officially early declaring a run for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Steve Kastenbaum has that former New York mayor and philanthropist. Michael Bloomberg did something. He has rarely done throughout his professional career. I got something important wrong. I got something important really wrong. The self made billionaire and potential Democratic presidential candidate. The date went to one of the largest historically black churches in Brooklyn on Sunday and spoke to the congregation about stop question and frisk the controversial police policy policy. That was a hallmark of his three terms in City Hall. Police officers are allowed to stop anyone at any time if they have reasonable suspicion that the person had taking part in some sort of illegal activity in New York that translated into an aggressive policy aimed at getting illegal guns off the streets in in the process countless young black and Hispanic men who had done nothing wrong were stopped by police and frisked toward the end of Bloomberg's last term in office. A federal judge ruled that the practice violated the civil rights of minorities because of how the policy was almost universally applied against black and Hispanic men. I didn't understand that back them. The full impact that stocks were having on the black and Latino communities. I was totally focused on saving lives but as we know good intentions aren't could enough fighting gun. Violence has always been a priority for Bloomberg. When he was mayor he felt that stop question and Frisk? Risk was justified because even the small number of guns that were taken off the street in comparison to the tens of thousands of stops taking place each year meant at that lives were being saved. The fact is far too. Many innocent people were being stopped while we tried to do that. And the overwhelming majority of of them were black and Latino Bloomberg said he wished that they had acted sooner to cut down on the police stops and he was sorry that he didn't some question his sincerity though. Oh and whether he's just saying this now because it would dog him on the campaign trail Steve Kastenbaum New York as the holiday season approaches. Most Americans say we're feeling pressured to blow their gift. Budget correspondent Jan Johnson reports on a new survey nearly two thirds of those who were asked by bankrate said they felt push to overspend on holiday presents. Parents feeling the biggest fresher seven out of ten saying they ventured outside their comfort zone to spend more on the kids kids in the past to resist more than two out of five say they might consider boycotting gift-giving entirely another one in four would be willing to re regifter and about one in five consider giving used or second hand items and if they're traveling about a third say they also feel press to overspend on the road food and in the air. I'm Jan Johnson. Westwood One Daily News for Monday November. Eighteenth two thousand nineteen. I'm John Trout.

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11-15-19 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

06:00 min | 1 year ago

11-15-19 What's News

"And it's time for Nicole Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network. Friday is day two of the public hearings and the Donald Trump impeachment inquiry. Maria Banovic the former. US Ambassador to Ukraine gene is the only witness scheduled Ivanovich was removed in May as US ambassador to Ukraine and Keiv as I've now learned how to correctly pronounce it after after the President's allies complained that she was undermining efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate trump's political rivals on Friday afternoon the committee he will also take closed door testimony from David Holmes. He's the State Department employees who reportedly overheard trump's call with sunland on July twenty sixth sixth. The committee will also work on Saturday to depose Owen. Be Official Mark Sandy behind closed doors. He's the first official offering testimony from the Office of Management and budget which was responsible for releasing the security aid for Ukraine. Donald Trump the supreme court on Thursday to stop a prosecutor's acute investigation of his personal finances. And to overturn two rulings ordering trump to turn over his tax records to both the Manhattan District Attorney's Office vist and Congress. The filing by the president's private lawyers represents a historic moment. That will test the court and highlights the constitution's separation separation of powers at also marks a new phase in the investigations that have dogged trump throughout his presidency and have culminated in an impeachment inquiry. The second case involved in Manhattan District Attorney's attempts to enforce a grand jury subpoena issued to the President's accountants to turn over eight years of trump's tax records. Stay tuned the current Republican governor of Kentucky. Matt Bevin finally conceded to his Democratic opponent. Andy Bashir here on Thursday nine days after the election but sheer is now. Clear to take control of Kentucky's executive branch with a student on his sixteenth birthday. Thursday morning walked walked into his southern California high. School pulled a gun out of his backpack and shot five classmates killing to the terror unfolded at Santa. ACLU RITA's Saugus high school in a matter of seconds and when it was all over the shooter turned the gun on himself he remains in critical condition a sixteen year old girl and a fourteen year. Old boy both died at the hospital. Authorities said they're looking into the suspected shooter's instagram account which was taken down after the shooting but but it appears he may have posted a warning before the attack police wanted determine who else had access to the account as the shooting was unfolding. Senator Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut was on the Senate floor calling for unanimous consent to bring up the universal gun background checks. Bill already passed by the House. Republican Senator Cindy Hyde Smith of Mississippi objected blocking consideration shameful. Santa Clarita is in California's twenty fifth Congressional district which was until very recently represented by Katie Hill Hill resigned. After her estranged husband released troves troves of revenge porn. She attended Saugus high school and lives in the neighborhood hill called into CNN on Thursday as they were covering the shooting traverse nightmare. I mean every single member of Congress I think he is constantly in the back of their head of of whether something like that. It's GonNa Happen in your home district because the the worst thing that can happen and and I think one of the hardest parts about it is that you know. What are we supposed to say at this point? We've passed the background check. We've passed Komo four different pieces of legislation that would make an immediate impact on reducing gun violence and And it's just sitting which how desperate more and you feel. I think it's a freshman especially coming in you you just feel sense of powerlessness like we've done our part. What else can you do right now? and it to me. It just says with complete we in Uttar clarity. We don't have a choice but since the set and to get somebody in the White House who is going to make this a priority so regardless of your political beliefs if you think did stacy of our kids matter than that me what needs to get you to the poll. There's a special election coming up to fill hills former seat representing California's twenty twenty fifth district already filed to run in the district as a Republican George Popadopoulos who you'll remember served as an advisor to the trump campaign or or as a coffee boy depending on who you ask on the democratic side. Jank Uber of the Young Turks announced his candidacy on Thursday. Indeed I do have been annoucement I will be running for Congress in California's Twenty Fifth District I'm going to represent those people In a way that they have not seen before four. I will not be a standard politician. I will fight for them. I'M GONNA fight to get money out of politics and I'm going to call it like it. Is You know what campaign donations are for. Big Corporations is a lobbyist bribes there Bryan Republicans. Take him there also bribes when Democrats. Take Him I'm not GonNa take any of that and I'm going to fight to get you guys higher wages and and to get your healthcare that your family needs and my district at this point is literally on fire okay and we have got to fix all of this and a standard politician. Ain't going to do it so here I come and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler if you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making the contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. 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Police Chief Reads Statement From Dayton Gunman's Family; Survivor Stories; Senate Roadblock On Gun Control

Anderson Cooper 360

48:16 min | 1 year ago

Police Chief Reads Statement From Dayton Gunman's Family; Survivor Stories; Senate Roadblock On Gun Control

"Support for anderson cooper three sixty comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans. Their team of mortgage expert is obsessed with finding a better way which means that their number one goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you. Get started online rocket mortgage dot com slash a. c. three sixty equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states nmlsconsumeraccess.org number thirty thirty tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today. It's any dot com slash c._n._n. Good evening from el paso there is a press conference in bell brooke ohio. You're expecting any moment where the dayton shooter lida authorities. They're expected to read a statement from the shooter's his family <hes> it'll be the first time we are hearing from that families. Were obviously watching that very closely. We're going to bring that to buy. It looks like a officers about to start. Let's take doug jordi- <hes> chief the police department <hes> so this is a prepared statement from the betts family. <hes> bets family family is shocked and devastated by the events of sunday morning in the oregon district off their most heartfelt prayers and condolences to all the victims their families and friends friends they thanked the first responders from the date and police and fire departments for their quick response to minimize casualties into all who have provided aid and comfort to to the victims the also thanked chief dory and the members of the beaubourg police department for providing a peaceful environment surrounding their home the betts. Let's family is cooperating with law enforcement and their investigation into this tragedy. They respect the investigative process being conducted by the dayton police department and the f._b._i. And will not comment further on this investigation the betts family would like to express their enormous gratitude and love for everyone that has reached out and given their support during this time the ask that everyone respect the family's privacy in order to mourn the loss of their son and daughter and to process the horror of sunday's events. Thank you <music> that that was dug dougherty. The police chief in bell brooke ohio which is where the didn't killers home is reading a statement there from <hes> from the family of the killer and also <hes> the killer sister who was murdered <hes> in in that shooting. I want to introduce you to <hes> former f._b._i. Official catherine <hes> sh- white she's literally written the book on active shooters for the f._b._i. And justice study of active sooner incidents the united states between two thousand and two thousand and thirteen in which she looks at every active shooters <hes> situation in that time frame. It's extraordinary the report also joining us to c._n._n. Counter terrorism analyst phil phil mudd <hes>. I'm wondering when <hes> there's there's a lot we do not know about the dayton shooter <hes>. There's a lot of conflicting reports about his motivation. You've called himself a leftist. There were <hes> things he had tweeted did out or or <hes> or were forwarded or re tweeted. I should say when we look at the situation date and when we look at this what stands out to you because i think a lot of people think these people snap and just go and do this in your study. It really shows the amount of time time shooters put into these tasks. They do absolutely anderson it takes time for them to decide they could move on a pathway to violence in quick doc pattern but more likely. It's a lot slower. They get an idea they decide. They have a grievance whether it's real or perceived and then they build on that grievance and sometimes sometimes there they may have a grievance that they don't really have a good caused for their angry at their boss right authorities sometimes call <hes> agreement collectors exactly grievance collectors who look who look for <hes> frustrated. They're frustrated and looking for something to to get them over that frustration and they might be aggrieved at that. It's over the gas station guy and then it's this guy and then they continued at gathering gather so sometimes they're looking for when when you have somebody like we're hearing where they might be looking at this website and that website there surfing looking for somebody who agrees with them. Somebody who might they might be able to champion that same cause and they might be able to say yeah yeah that that guy he has the same frustration that i do and it makes sense that they might be looking in different areas because sometimes it takes a while for them to settle on where who they want to be angry at and how they want to manifest that phil mudd huron here in el paso obviously the the motive is is clear if in fact the writings on online which i'm not even calling manifesto. It's basically the the rantings of avoid avoid nationalists the white supremacists though he at one point denies that <hes> but there's a lot we don't know about the police response here this one we know the first the call oh came in first officer arrived six minutes later <hes> the protocol here in el paso the protocol. No paso is <hes> to wait for three three officers and those three officers then go in to try to neutralize the thread. We do not know at this point win win. Three officers arrived when they went in or even. If anybody went into police haven't even said if police went into the walmart or interact with the shooter. We do know which we learned today. Is that some twenty four minutes or so. We're under after the first officer arrived. The suspect was able to dry leave the walmart drive and and give himself up took motorcycle officer who was on the periphery. If i were them i would speak. I know it's frustrating but let me give you a few reasons why the most significant as soon as they speak around the record if they changed the story story a day later. Somebody's gonna say y. You change story. So why is this so complicated. I you got to interview all the officers. What if stories don't correspond. You've got to renew met dickstein bunch. Aren't you dating this not only the initial cost but every time a call goes in how does it correspond the initial timeline you set up. Let's go twenty-first-century. Everybody's going to send in their cell phone photos photos of what happens here. How do you correspond that to what the police record is into and determine whether this matchup so so you think they're not saying the details that they know as far it just it's it's out of understandable caution in your opinion <hes> until they make sure they locked down exactly what happened sure i remember when i was dealing with fast-breaking situations and we put out to information too quickly quickly had a we had a corrected people immediately soom. You're trying to hide something. I wouldn't go to quickly what <hes> what's your study did and did so brilliantly is is is really look at all these these active shooter situations and talk about the importance of response time because so many of these incidents they're done in less than five minutes and and you pointed out you and i talked to earlier today. I think you said about half of them. The deaths occur when the first two minutes in the first two minutes they end right so in the first. It's of the <hes> we studied one hundred sixty incidents in sixty five of those basically where we could see figure out the time element very critically just like phil saying phil and i used to work together. Hi phil <hes> like like <hes> we used to say of the sixty some there were forty forty five of them where the police he's had to engage a shooter right but that's because the the saw the situation was over before that time they were so of those even of those sixty some instances where week uh-huh nail down the time half of them occurred in two minutes or less they were over two minutes or less so police response part of it and it is really important anderson <hes> it because every minute especially involving a rifle takes is hundreds potentially more rounds right but you know a good officer who dies at the scene doesn't do us any good and i will say that one of the one of the most surprising things that i found in doing in writing that research for the f._b._i. Is is it off. The incidents where the law enforcement officers engaged the shooter of forty five of the one hundred and sixty incidents in nearly half of those incidents a a law enforcement officer was killed or wounded nine officers killed twenty eight. I think twenty seven wounded so it's a very volatile situation for law enforcement and it's very it's understandable that law enforcement is not going to second guess another law enforcement agency but the protocol is has been changing phil when you say the protocol has been changing in some cases. It's not a in some places. They don't wait for three officers. You're saying some places for you're on the scene is expected to go in right yeah. Let me <hes> in apologized for not continuing on that but the protocol after the protocol for three officers before you go in a lot the departments are trained that way particularly on the west coast but certainly in big cities they trained three member teams and they wait in. There have been plenty of instances. I think navy yard they waited for a three member trained team <hes> in a lot of other places but you look at some place like l._a._x. Were they had their shooting. The officer was killed. The officers ran in one at the time one at a time one at a time and there are plenty of other instances where the officers go in one at a time to assault in in that's why it's more volatile for the officers but but they we need to change that and we've we've been training to change that since sandy hook from three to one phil <hes> a lot of people out of our politicians have been looking and a lot of some democrats are saying look. We need to make domestic terrorism a crime in the same way that international terrorism eh right now it's not a crime in and of itself and <hes> it's usually other charges weapons charges in the like eight crimes. You say that can be a a slippery slope and maybe people haven't really fully looked at the implications of that look. I'm the counterterrorism guy. Let me tell you what's going to happen. If we go down that path. I'm not suggesting it doesn't happen suggest that we talk about it. We declare formely group that a terror group in the united states domestic turn group as we've done in the past foreign groups so if you're white supremacists for right wing left wing whatever it is if you tell me as a former practitioner go take them down. I'm going to go up on your email. I'm going to go up on your phone furthermore. If someone contributes to financially that's material support support terrorism. I don't think people understand what will happen to groups that today are considered free free speech groups. I think it's fine but be careful. What you wish for because what you you know that's why this has not been done before because of free speech issues i mean do americans have protections that we don't <hes> give to a foreign national nationals true true but let me go cultural and political for you for a second one we were chasing kind and isis would say well heck yeah. These are people coming from overseas for pakistan afghanistan as soon as you start chasing left wing right wing. That's going to be the person next door. I think their cultural dimension to go beyond the law enforcement lots of talk about on the future phil mudd. Thank you <hes> catholic twice a appreciate it and again i read your report is really just extraordinary work what you and the others did going to hear from a survivor who shot here are the walmart. The father of another whose daughter is now recovering recovering from wounds that she suffered a pastor and later senator chris murphy of connecticut his constituents lived through such loss after sandy hook he joins us walk about how the senate it could do more in his view to tackle gun violence but as support for anderson cooper three sixty comes from our friends ends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans imagine it feels to have an award winning team by your side through every step of the mortgage process. It's awesome and exactly what you get with rocket mortgage by quicken mountains their team of mortgage experts is obsessed with finding a better way which means that their number one goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you with a history of industry leading online lending technology developed in the heart of detroit rocket mortgage is changing the game visit rocket mortgage dot com slash a. c. three sixty and take the first step toward the home of your dreams teams equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states. M._l._s. consumer access dot org number thirty thirty rocket mortgage by quicken loans push-button get mortgage. We've met so many remarkably kind and strong and resilient people here in el paso and pastor. Mike grady is one of them. He's pastor the prince of peace fellowship former president of the local n. w. c. p. his daughter <hes> michelle elise was shot severely wounded at at the walmart pastor grady joins which may now thank you so much for being with us. <hes> first of all. How is is your daughter doing because it is extraordinary. She was shot outside the walmart. As the shooter. I began. She was able to call your wife. Her mom and your wife came down within about six minutes. Then you came down and you actually there were weren't enough ambulances or people helping you actually put her into a car with the help of a walmart person and got her at the hospital and we've we've actually we got the to the to the ramp amazon's were and and we had to fight will start loading up and moving out load up and moving out and we wanted to know that <hes> michelle michelle was precious. She needed to go knicks so we had to fight of it. A little battled ed to raise off voice and my wife was intentional and purposeful in making sure that michelle is gonna that'd be taken care of and we finally got low doing ambulance my wife <hes> rolled with dan melissa u._n._c. and i had to run back. They had to run down here and get the car and didn't didn't meet them at u. of m. c. so how how is she doing today. She's doing a little bit better. She's getting stronger every day shot through the leg to ask the months since he's hassle surgeries with that and working through that issue right now and <hes> sees <hes> a little bit hold hearings to speak in as much as he you can <hes> but she's got spirit. We've been around a beer. We've been holding her hand been reminded them to this. He's going to be all right. He's in the hands of the lord and <music>. I'm matching the rain. We prayed for her and they're probably ten thousand people all over the nation plan for <hes> michelle victims you <hes> <hes> you met your wife. Your no passenger you served in the military assistant chaplain. You have counseled people through who have seen horrific thing and how you yourself are going through this. How how'd you cancel yourself. What do you tell yourself about what happened. Why this happened with the i'm reminded that the that god is the faithful in god requires some something of us as humans and that this horrific tragedy was based on a programming <hes>. I remember <hes> when trayvon martin was shot and watch over the years things escalated escalated and there was no retribution no consequences for the accident and i knew this day was wondering because again god holds us accountable you reap what you sow and so as this thing unfolded the law took me back to that place of a promise that must begin in the judgment that has fallen upon the nascent. We've walked away from the principles of love and peace and hoping thank you <hes> <hes> it sounds to me <hes> that you would like to give that message to our leaders to get our president <hes> he's coming here more. What would you say i would say to the president trump that words matter and once you speed worse with good words or whether the worst of divisiveness and hatred and division jin words matter and once they're spoken they can't be brought back and they may land in a place. Maybe that you may not even understand who is going to receive it or how they're well how they're going to receive it so you have to responsibility to feel to your words with love you. The president of all people of the united states is i think that if if i had an opportunity to share with him i would just ask him. What's in your heart. Descriptors added a heart flows isa's of life so what he speaks is in his heart. I watched the interview the other day when he spoke and tried to make some semblance of apologized to see any passion. That's all i can read if i'm a monitor but i don't see a real man standing up and taking advantage of an opportunity to to say i've done some things wrong says some things i've i've. I've called people shit. Hole countries have called people okay aliens and and that we're being invaded but you've got to read what you so so i would say mr prison you created in the nation an environment where people feel that they they have a right to act out in violence and hatred. They feel they've been given permission. So that's what i would. I would share with him that he has created this thing. That now permeates the air. You don't know who's going to grab it. Is it like the internet you don't know who's going to read who's gonna care in and what their thoughts are so he has a responsibility to hone up then to try to heal this nation not just our city but the nation. It's often said that it takes a village to raise one child well. What if the villages seek then the child's gonna come out sick for our nation is a big village but i need sick and it's being taken advantage of because of the color of the skin if mississippi to religious culture and opportunity to where we could do good but we've allowed our evil to be more predominant instead of bringing people together. We've divided the nation. I can tell you a good passer. You're a good talker and your words. <hes> have a lot of power. I appreciate you taking time to be with us and and certainly the thoughts are are with your daughter and with your family. Thank you all right now. Care <hes> another person we talked to is a young man named october octavio lozada. He was at walmart with this fifteen year old. Nephew hobby rodriguez was shot and killed. He was the youngest victim <hes> here in el paso octavio was a tabby was hit in the foot foot and he was <hes> on top of his nephew trying to protect his nephew. I talked to him a few hours ago. He underwent the second and what may be as many as six surgeries trying to save that i i spoke to <hes> octavio shortly before the surgery. Were you move on that. I went to the bank. I was gonna open the when cashman shoes shirts. Did you realize something terrible. I saw people running and expanding on shots fired. You saw people running before you actually heard burning inside on twitter. Where were you in the walmart today and was happier with the right value. Do you actually see begun. The glenn cinnamon shutters on the only thing i saw was his blessed. How far away was he from me from me from here. So from the time you saw people running to win you got hit. Do you know how about how long like this happens nine twenty minutes. We were there for hours. Did you have tom children or were you. We went to office and we ran in there. I had four top along and i hold them if you should the whole of the inseparable when the energy through open the door where he kept their money and stuff and anybody in my mouth doc and point. I guess that goodman hurt us or the counting on. Did you see him coming. The closer. I heard on the bank was hobby are singing speaking speaking. I didn't want to be in danger so you right there when he got shot and had you shot at that point forward. No shut me after could easily can make me make sure i'm deadly. The only thing expression has gone. How did you get out because copquin and seen as an with injure the bank to insurance and to stop putting the cart chubby took minnesota some these studies you show unit there was you could tell by the what do you want to know how they're very very funny. We had a very good times together better player than you lot the scorpion you name logo for the school local school you know twenty he he knew a lot about bugs of it's really a channels those the sandler no you'd have tight from route for everybody to appreciate sheet everything. They have those level to get to a point where somebody dies in. That's when probably comes together in france surly. I drove all the way here on the hate against anything because god was even forgive those coleman across and give us all. I think a lot of people described it to hear this. You know that you forgive as it might be hard for coming for gifts in the church and prayed to god before you mentioned copy of the second surgery on his foot <hes> they're fighting save that put he works in construction. <hes> it's crucial for him <hes> to be able to walk. His wife has set up a gofundme page to help with expenses. You'd like to help the dresses. Is there the bottom of your screen. We'll also put link on our facebook and twitter pages. There's a lot more from hearing all passo still ahead. We're joined by democratic. Senator chris murphy a staunch gun control advocate who remember standing with the parents of the sandy hook victims and knows all too well how difficult it is to get gun. Control legislation asian through congress will talk to him about the pressure he hopes can be put on republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell guys are terrible terrible a taking care of their health whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable rub some dirt on it than seeing a doctor. I'm guilty of but myself. The same is true for erectile dysfunction studies show seventy percent of guys who experienced e._d. Don't get treated for it. Thankfully roman created an easy way to chat chat with dr online with roman. You can get medical care for e._d. 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Get roman dot com slash a. c. three sixty china's maharajas rogers reporting the senate republicans are scrambling for legislative response in the wake of el paso and data sources say they're willing to look at bills that cover mental health issues red flag legislation shen and violent video games senate majority leader mitch mcconnell may have a tough time attracted democratic supporters. The has no plans to allow votes on background check legislation that passed the house earlier this year and that's just sitting there joining us now is democratic senator chris murphy connecticut. He's been pushing for new federal law. Since a gunman killed twenty six children and teachers at sandy hook elementary school two thousand twelve he's mccown times with parents standing by their side as they fight for news laws. He's also delivered a fifteen hour filibuster to protest the lack of serious debate of the gun control troll issue after the two thousand sixteen pulse nightclub shooting senator murphy is anything going to change after this i mean we've seen time and time again the these massacres happen and and and people have hopes for change and called for change and it doesn't throw a lot of people seem like it's going to be any different this time. What do you think well. Everybody thought that everything had changed after sandy. Hook people thought that we're not just going to get a universal background. Checks lob bob a reimposition of assault weapons ban and none of that happened because the gun lobby was too powerful and the anti gun violence movement simply it wasn't strong enough back in two thousand and thirteen and so i've become convinced unfortunately this really is ultimately a question of political power. This is about winning enough selections so that it is ninety percent of our constituents that want things like universal background checks their say now. I've been on the phone all weekends with with my republican colleagues. I think there is interest on their behalf and taking some small steps forward but none of the things that are being proposed are going to change the reality on the ground when it comes to mass shootings in places like chicago where fifty people were shot this weekend. Ultimately i think this is about taking this matter once again to the electorate and telling them that if you want to change the reality of gun violence in this country you're going to have to change who controls the united states senate and who's in the white house it was a surprising and then disappeared when president trump <hes> you know before making a public announcement about this tweeted out that he thought <hes> some <hes> stronger background checks that issue could should be linked with immigration reform. Does that make any sense to you. I mean you mentioned in a tweet hasn't mentioned that sense sense. Yeah i think it was interesting. The president mentioned in one tweet and a few hours later when he gave prepared remarks. There was absolutely no mention of any gun measures coming before congress. He ridiculously blamed this all mental illness and video games. We don't have any more mental illness in this country than any other nation. We have of all the mass shootings but i remember this because i was sitting two seats away from the president in the white house after the parkland shooting. If you remember that televised meeting eating he seemed to get behind universal background checks bans on assault weapons and then later that day the gun lobby came into his office and convinced him <hes> <hes> to <hes> take all of those measures off the table so it may be that in between sending out that tweet and then going before the cameras. He was once again reminded of his gun lobby patrons. <hes> and i just don't think you can count on this president ever following through on. I'm backing really tough. Gun measures remain ready to be surprised surprised <hes> on that count but i've seen the president pull the rug out from under us before in that meaning i remember in the couple of meetings like that around that time remember him as him chiding some republican members of congress <hes> saying that they were afraid of the n._r._a. And he was saying you know he would take the heat that change twenty four hours later you know i as you said <hes>. He seemed to meet with with n._r._a. People and and that was that senator chuck grassley reportedly said today that <hes> that that leader of the the leader mcconnell's process is based upon what he can get done with the lease controversy. That doesn't sound like real change. No that's not real change and i wished the senate. Would you remember what it used to be. This used to be the world's greatest deliberative body where we would a really tough measures on the floor and we would try to come to some compromise whereby we could get fifty or sixty votes. I'm not really interested in short-circuited process assists in which mitch mcconnell only brings up the measures that will get one hundred votes. I understand it's tough to get to sixty votes on background checks but i've been in in contact with republicans over the weekend. I think there are some creative ideas that might be able to bring republicans and democrats together but not of mitch mcconnell doesn't allow a background checks bill l. to the floor not if he doesn't allow us to have an open and full debate in the senate so i'm hopeful that that that's going to happen but frankly i think mitch mcconnell is really nervous about putting his members on record. He does not want senate republicans to have to choose between the majority. The vast majority of their constituents want these new laws laws and the n._r._a. A legacy establishment facet of the republican party so if the republicans always said okay look we'll we'll do some red flag laws so-called red flag laws. <hes> senator lindsey graham has talked about that and that's about it is that is is that something you would get behind well again. I i want to have a full and open debate on the floor of the senate. I mean if the majority dirty leader wants to put a red flag law on the senate. That's fine but allow us to do what we are supposed to be able to do is send it to try to amend that and make it stronger so i have no problem with the majority leader starting a process with a piece of legislation that has greater consensus but then let us try to amend it to make it a better law. Let us see if we can get sixty votes for something stronger than just an extreme risk protection order now senator chris murphy. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thanks thanks for your time. Thanks up next more on the next morning. The dayton investigation plus a family's heartache. After mass shooting there the final phone call wonder to made after she was shot tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. I wear styles. Oh starting at just six ninety five no ridiculous markups no hassles just quality affordable eyewear delivered right to you visits any today at zanny dot com slash lash c._n._n. Moments ago we heard from the parents of the gunman in dayton ohio massacre expressing their heartfelt prayers condolences to all the victims i their families and friends earlier today thirty said the gunman had been exploring violent ideologies and that he had an obsession with mass shootings but they have no clear motive indicate has some new reporting on his social media profile so ready. What did you learn what <hes> what is the what have you seen well anderson. <hes> c._n._n.'s investigative unit has been looking into his his twitter feed at least what appears to be the twitter feed of the dayton ohio shooter and it's a very leftist <hes> twitter feed is what we've found. He has re tweeted extreme left-wing posi he re tweeted anti police posts he also retweeted posted are supporting the violent protests group antiga <hes> on august third that was his most most recent tweet and that's also the day of the shooting as you know here in dayton and this is what the tweet said that he posted millennials have a message for the joe biden generation hurry hurry up and die andersen. Did he tweet anything about other candidates or re tweet he did. He tweeted about elizabeth warren a and he tweeted out bernie sanders. He tweeted support for both of them. I should also mention that he tweeted about ice his he re tweeted posts about ice calling them monsters in in all of this was mixed in with a cell fees and photos and other non-political tweets and that twitter feed anderson has been shut down. It's so oh straight. I mean his sister corneal reports. He murders his sister in that and shot the person that he also the other person that he came with <hes>. There's still a lot obviously police have not identified about his his motive or the reason that spot <hes>. They're still kind of a lot to learn. I know you spent in time today with the family of one of the victims right and they have so many questions still anderson as you said so much to learn we spent some time with lois ogle all these mom <hes> her pain clearly still raw but she did tell us that her daughter was a wonderful mother. Her children were always her top concern even as she took her last breath. Sandra james is mourning her daughter lowest oglesby who was struck by a bullet and killed in the dayton ohio. Shooting lois has a seven year old daughter and had just given birth a couple months ago to a baby girl. She was looking forward to a night out with her girlfriends. She said well mommy. I'm i can have to you have to lay. She said i hadn't been out saw aw i'm going to go out and we'll have some drugs said okay we that was you told her to be careful. Be careful. I knew she was gonna because me go go. Her mother says after lois was shot. She called her boyfriend who was watching the kids. How did you find out what happened. We were sleet and her boyfriend call and he said mom nate lowest faith time there. He said she said she was grazed. Used by a bullet is she said bait. We give me he said no. You need to go to hospital. She said what needed to get to my kids so she was able to facetime her boyfriend after she had been shot. She thought she was grazed. She said i've been grades. Buoy sandra and her daughter's boyfriend rushed just to the scene but lois is injuries were more severe than she thought she died before they arrived get to where she was. He got to where so he could see her. There with the government would be agree because he wanted her off. The grow she was in the st lois was just twenty seven. This recent video shows lois getting her baby girl to smile for the first time in any i actually talked to the young lady who heard her say her. Last words returned and my kids and she said they weren't there three minutes. They didn't have any drinks before it happened. Maybe the bar outside. Sandra says her daughter was a loving mom who loved not only her own children but all children this low lowest worked at a a daycare center and had dreams of becoming a pediatric nurse. My daughter was beautiful inside and out and love the show for kids the compassion that she hut for children. It was just amazing. During lowest is first pregnancy years ago she'd been carrying twins but when only one survived. She explained her daughter hannah that her twin sister had gone into heaven now this so does hannah now understand. What's happened to her mom. Does she think she's gone to the same place. She says she wants to come down qudos. She's everyone she was like. A wooded happened every phone along that rain. The people were here she kept asking i wanted to go mommy anderson imagine how hard it must be for seven-year-old to make sense of all this when we as adults adults can't even understand or comprehend what's happened here but sandra does say that she does plan to help raise her two granddaughters. She just hopes that she can be as loving to them. As their own mother was anderson i mean she's just extraordinary in that. She's able to talk in in this. The darkest moment of grief and i just keep thinking that you know in a few days or weeks. Kamara's gonna leave here. People are gonna move on elsewhere and she and everybody here has lost somebody. Their lives were forever changed and they're going to be expected to go back to work and move on with their lives and and and that's that's one of the saddest things of all their lives are forever changed inch coming up next randy. Thank you for that. I really appreciate you. <hes> van will talk to to sandra <hes> coming up next on the killings here. I want to talk to someone who spent a decade researching the white power movement and what we can learn from this <hes> and from her gary remember to create an ad like like this one visit pure winning dot com slash c._n._n. Much has been said already about the white nationalist white supremacists motivation asian killings here in el paso that's because until now so much was left unsaid or went unheard joining us now is author and university of chicago professor kathleen balu professor. Thank you so much for for being with us. You wrote a fascinating piece in the new york times <hes> about how these shootings are quote plan to incite a much larger slaughter by <hes> by weakening other people on him. That's in quotes awakening other people to join the movement. We're talking about the all paso shooting what appears to be motivation to gilroy shooting not in the the dayton shooting shooting. Can you just explain that because i think that's such an important concept not only in how we cover it but how people think about it that that these are aren't one off incidences insist these are incidents is that are building on each other absolutely and i think maybe the first thing to understand is what we mean when we say movement and especially the white power movement what i'm talking about is a social groundswell of people who came together in the aftermath of the vietnam war including group slake clan <hes> skinhead neo nazi and radical tax resistance groups in order to sort of come together in <hes> what they eventually declared aired as a war on the federal government now that conflict was inherently radical not just sort of defense of the nation but a attempt at its overthrow and the way that these acts of violence were used was not simply to create a catastrophic <hes> act <hes> of of violence but also to bring about <hes> political awakening for others to join the cause and and so when you know the authorities talking about a so called manifesto. I've read i it's more just a a racist screed. I don't think i think calling it a manifesto gives it too much attention and too much credit frankly or intelligence but <hes> but things like that those are messages this the the person who did this the people all who do these kinds of acts with with white supremacists white nationalist believes they are trying to <hes> essentially encourage other people to do the same same thing. It's not an end in and of it so that's absolutely right and in the case of this piece of writing we see a very clear set of tactical instructions chins about use of weapons to selection of targets and other very specific information. That's left there for a future gunmen to follow in and this person's footsteps and it's interesting because new this shooter reference and many times shooters they referenced shooters who have come before them and murder people before them <hes> almost as as sort of mortars for this call yes <hes> we have in our in our reporting in in our popular understanding. This idea of the lone wolf actor that is a completely false and and constructed ideas in the case of power violence well. We're talking about instead is a a an ideological driven series of actions that are connected acted with one another and that have deep meaning to the people carrying them out so whether or not you think that the piece of writing sort of represents a work of intellect is hardly hardly the point. This is a piece of writing. That's inna- genre with other pieces of writing just like these pieces of violence are connected with one another by this movement now now when we do this kind of <hes> lone wolf story one of the things we miss is the way that this is a big and broad social official movement it includes men women and children included people all across the country people have very different kinds of backgrounds all coming together <hes> in what they easy as a state of emergency and <hes> imminent racial annihilation <hes> now that emerges even pushed people to action even calling white nationalism. I mean from what i've read in your it seems like a misnomer. It seems like that almost sounds like at some sort of patriotic thing when in fact we're just we're talking about white supremacists here. I actually think white supremacy <hes> is related but is much broader than what we're talking about when we wanna look at the violent fringe white supremacy describes all kinds of different racists systems structures and ideologies what we're talking about is as small and finite radical radical group that poses an imminent threat the nation but when people hear white nationalism they often think about sort of just an over exertion of patriotism the nation asian and white nationalism is not the united states. It's the aryan nation it's fundamentally opposed to the interests of the united states and that's incredibly important <hes> to to remember <hes> professor blue. I really appreciate your time your article in the new york times. I urge people to read. It's really i opening. Thank you just add as we look at the people gathered here behind me to remember remember the fall and we'll also look at how this community is responding after call went out for blood donors in the wake of the tragedy. The case is we gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer. The science defined out police used luminol a chemical chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood the drama but where was the rifle and which command was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join investigators peter's as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every monday and thursday day. You'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix the top of the broadcast. We've met some really just remarkable people here and so kind and open wanting people to know the real el paso era our gary. Tuchman has an example sampled piccolo. The response was immediate when people in the el paso area heard blood donations. Oh nations were needed following the shootings at walmart. They turned out in huge numbers eighteen year old. Adrian classic has never given blood before it just. I feel that i just need do my part in the city that i grew up in my whole life. Sarah spencer just moved al paso from new jersey. How did it make you feel when you heard what happened here. Devastated devastated high start crying. Does it make you feel now that you're sitting in this chair giving blood and helping people wonderful in this mostly latino city many tell us they are stunned. Did what happened here and also stunned at the fact. The shooter appeared to be targeting latinos. It makes you angry. Italy does sometimes make you cry. You know sometimes the day it happened. Just it's just cried because of the anger genius john more are from england but are now dul u._k. U._s. citizens before moving to texas. They lived in colorado. When we lived in colorado. We lived through columbine so this is the first massacre that we've it experienced and unfortunately nothing much changed. It is obliged on the nation in my opinion. I'm a schoolteacher so and i walked into classrooms and i saw children from different ethnic backgrounds. I really felt and still oh field that diversity is strength of this country and so i'm here to support diversity supporting diversity one of the reasons everyone we talked to was proud to be donating. It's incredible to see that it's incredible that kind of turnout so now we and we've seen that i mean all over dayton but here this guy right here angel gomez with <hes> operation hope el paso he's been helping people <hes> with with funds and <hes> for in need and also even just handing out these snow cones <hes> to police officers and everybody around here at the memorial. It's incredible the outpouring. I've been doing stories now passer for years pursue the kinds of people seeing the same thing just now when it comes to these blood donation center. Here's the amazing thing show. Many people have turned out. There's been a blood shortage here for months smile haseeb but so many people turned up can take anymore walking the appointment books are full percent ultimately. They want to come into this week too many because it's such high spiritual uh-huh kosovo at gray report gary thank you so much <hes> one of hinder over chris cuomo prime-time chris. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the voices of search podcast from the heart of silicon valley research metrics inc c._e._o. 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The growing movement to impeach the president

All In with Chris Hayes

44:17 min | 1 year ago

The growing movement to impeach the president

"Tonight on all in. I think that this is about us doing our jobs but movement to impeach the president keeps growing, I will doing our job as a member of the house. Tonight. Why more Americans are getting on board with impeachment as more Democrats say they don't want to wait until the election to vote on the president's fate. Supporting and seeking and trying to build consensus for and teaching converted into. Then Senator Chris Murphy on new Republican calls to bomb Iran unprovoked attacks on commercial shipping warrant a retaliatory military strike against the Islamic Republic of Iran. What we learned from the democratic candidates at the poor people's campaign, presidential forum, Joya. Stickiest naive to think we have to work together and the art of the deal ghost rider, Tony Schwartz on the president's coughing pin, and let's do that over. He's coughing in the middle of my aunts yet, but all in starts right now as you get a cough. Good evening from New York. I'm Chris, as we have some breaking news at this hour Representative Katie porter a freshman, California Democrat has just announced her support for an impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump. And I says she made the decision after weeks of deliberation conversation with voters and the wall, she did not come to congress to impeach the president, quote when faced with a crisis of this magnitude, I cannot with a clean conscience, ignore my duty to defend the constitution can't claim to be committed to rooting out corruption and putting people over politics and then not apply. Those same principles and standards in all the work, I do porter is an interesting case. She defeated an incumbent Republican in a district that was created in one thousand nine hundred three and from the time of its creation, till purrs election, had never once voted for a single democrat sh now becomes the sixty seventh member of the house to favor starting in patriot increased sixty six Democrats and one lonely, Republican, and that list includes Michigan democrat, Andy Levin. Who now it's this his position it's switched at a town hall on Saturday night. Going to the supporting and seeking and trying build consensus for and teaching improvement. News. More lawmakers favor opening impeachment proceedings comes as a new poll from Fox News of all places found that he combined fifty percent of Americans believe the president should be impeached, including forty three percent who want him. Impeach him removed and seven percent who want him impeached, but not removed. Trump, TV poll also found that fifty percent of Americans believe the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government, which suggests that half the country has a far better grasp of the contents of the motor report than the president does. Mullahs comes out. There's no collusion and essentially a ruling that no obstruction and they keep going with, you know what people are angry about it. I don't think that's what you don't have time for that. Now, we'll talk about it as found excuse me. He found no collision, and he didn't find anything having to do with obstruction because they made a ruling based on his findings, and they said, no didn't examine collusion. He laid out Evanson stretchable. You trying to say now that there was collusion, even though he said there is no collusion. He didn't think there's said, no collusion. He said he didn't look Jewish. The report said, no collusion. Did you either? Yes. I did you should read it too. You should read it. Yeah, that's basically how it goes it just to be clear. Muller, explicit writes in the report that he's not valuating collusion as a useful concept. So he explicitly says that he's not saying no collusion. Now. It has been pretty remarkable to watch the calls for impeachment grow, even Nancy Pelosi, and democratic leadership or doing just about everything in their power to discourage impeachment talk Pelosi seems to be operating on the notion, the country can and should wait until the twenty twenty election to register its disapproval of the president's conduct just about every poll shows that Trump is unpopular and trails potential democratic opponents and head to head matchups. In fact, the president was so embarrassed when leaked internal polling showed him trailing. Joe Biden in battleground states that Trump cut ties with his own pollsters after I claiming falsely that the negative polls never exist in the first place. Now, I am sure that many Democrats opponents, the president love seeing these polls understandably but seventeen months until election day might as well be an eternity those polls are functionally meaningless in any predictive sense whatsoever. And while some Democrats fear that impeachment inquiry could help Trump, the politics of impeachment are far from clear, regardless a growing chorus of Democrats say that the politics are not the point. Every day that passes the pressure to impeach grows, and I think that it's justifiable, I think the evidence continues to come in, and I believe that with the president now saying that he is willing to break the law to win reelection. That, that goes that transcends partisanship. It transcends party lines. And this is now about the rule of law in the United States of America. This is about us doing our jobs. And if we're talking about what's going to be a victory for Trump and what's not going to be a victory for Trump. Then we are politicizing and we are tainting this process, which should again should be removed from politics. Democratic presidential candidate DNC chair Vermont governor Howard Dean, who does not favor opening impeachment inquiry. Are you surprised at all by the, by the way, the numbers have moved recently? I'm actually thrilled. I one of the few people was actually around when Nixon was impeached. This is exactly what happened. They were very careful. They were very deliberate. They didn't go be on the facts that were known and the grounds wheel rue to so so much in those days that Republicans were actually patriots that causal is correct. I'm a my, my read of the Toco stories that the impeachment inquiry began when most people didn't favor impeachment and moved in tandem with that is that is true because times are very different. There was no forum for learning about the things that we've learned about Trump outside the impeachment process. That's not true today. I mean, the analysis Muller, first of all, I don't believe for a minute. Trump's read the report because I don't think you can possible read four hundred pages for him. But. But the fact of the matter is what I would suppose he's doing his brilliant, actually she's letting the momentum build. I don't thinks he's resisting it as much as you said. She was, that's the story strategic patience, I think strategic patience and I think strategic look Pelosi is not missed a step. She is the one person who's got Donald Trump's number in Washington. She hasn't missed a step yet. I think it's great that people are calling for impeachment in the house. I don't think that's the problem. I think Pelosi's playing our hand. Exactly. Right. So you basically think that, that it's a productive dynamic is productive. The tension is. Leadership saying, no, no, no. We wanna take we want to be patient and. Member after member coming, and that's why you see these numbers these numbers in the public and the public is fantastic. Forty eight percent. Now think he should be impeached. We're fifty right. What we've seen I should say in our own NBC poll that it's, it's twenty seven percent thing in in start, but that's up ten plus, I happen to be big fan of AO. See not as I agree with her on every point, but I think she injects injected energy into the debate and the congress, it's badly needed. I think what she is doing is driving those numbers. And I think that's a good thing. Let Pelosi be the state's person that she is in the leader that she is. I think this is a good dynamic that we've got and expect the numbers to go higher. Well, here's, here's one reason I want to talk to you about this topic is it because, you know. They're one of the things that can happen among political parties or political classes. They can get a kind of group think, right? Yes. And that happens, and it happens. It happens. It's a big problem. Right. And I remember back in twenty two dozen three would you're right, for it was a big group thing about Iraq, like, oh, we gotta root for Iraq war defendant, you came along. Like, what are you nuts of? That's crazy. And I just wonder if like the sort of establishment view that impeachments, too risky. It has political downsides represents a kind of group think that could it could be inside the beltway group thing. That's true. But what's look at the dynamic of what's happening? It's better for the public to lead this, and that's what they're doing with a lot of them cards, these sixty seventy years of congress, I, I don't think anybody's doing anything wrong here, I think that's very moving the way we wanted. I had not I had not sort of thought of that thought it in that way, because part of what I've been hearing from democratic leadership is, like this, this piece in the Washington Post was interesting. The idea that, like, we need to focus on these sort of kitchen table issues. You know, we're passing a prescription drugs Bill, and we're passing a campaign finance Bill, h r one. And then there's this piece in the Washington Post today about how that message is not breaking through that, that Sherry Boustos who chairs the d triple c was sort of briefing, fellow house leaders saying, like no one's paying attention these bills. That's not where the energy and I was like, yeah, no kidding. So here's this about the election. How this is going to work if we are talking about Trump, four months before the election. Trump's going to win the idea is, we need to dismiss Trump yet we don't have to put up with all his silliness. We can just say we can do it club. Did when she announced just you think Donald's hair would look like isn't a snowstorm, and then then we need to talk about the kitchen table issues. Right. Look, Trump is an expert at getting people to talk about Trump. That's all he cares about. He's nuts that way. Don't disagree with. So, so that's not. Play his game. But right now it is game. We have no spokesperson until we have a nominee. That's right. Exactly my. But do you agree with me? Guess my mind read on the situation is that the idea that from the house, you can pass these bills which some of which we've covered and some of which are quite worthy. Right. I mean ending LG but, you know it in Asia, they're they are not. They are not that cannot drive agenda for national loyal in eight months, when there's a candidate and this week when there to know. Do it from the house you. Yes, you can't, here's why you can't. Because it's just as important to win the presidency is, it's actually almost as that I sent it right. So we got these Republicans on record of reading against people's healthcare, getting rid of a premium assistant conditions. Maybe bombing Iraq. God knows what they're gonna do now that's going to be important three months before the election right now. People are caught up in the drama of Trump because nobody's better than Trump. And he's the president he gets you, Jen tracking attention, the gender is creeping up against him now to see that fifty percent of the people think you should be impeach that needs. Fifty percent of the people know what Democrats have known for a long time. This guy is a crook and he's incompetent. Let Trump prove that he's a crook and he's incompetent. He does it every day that my question you don't alternate Vendee you have to have to sort of press the button. So to speak on actually, we may have to do that. We don't know it depends. What comes out the Miller report turned out after the gross disingenuous. Far, who really shouldn't be barred should be disbarred, but, but after his gross disingenuous people were lied to by the attorney general, they now know it. And that's one of the reasons Trump's are so awful remarkable meeting that polling, they use the word coordinated, which I think is actually a good word it's better than conspiracy, and collusion, because I think it actually something that he coordinated with the Russian text like, yeah they coordinate. Right. Like they said Russia. If you're listening to the first poll, I have seen that shows that something very close to a majority of the American people believe that Trump is a liar has to include people who voted for him Howard. Dean, thank you so much for being with me. Thank you should. It's my pleasure. The impeachment debate them joined by Daniel Mooney. Mills host of woke af on, Sirius XM, Brian Butler, who is editor in chief of crooked dot com. Daniele start with you. Katie port was interesting to me, because one of the things you've heard is look, we've got forty front-line districts, right? These are these freshmen members who are in districts that were they took a Republican seat, and we're gonna follow them. They're kind of a weathervane here because they're the ones we have to worry about it, and like, safe democratic district people can. Do all they want? So it was significant to me that she from per district came out in support. I think that it's incredibly important, but here's the thing, I also believe that Democrats actually need to do their job, which is to educate their constituency, which is what they are not doing right now. You have a bunch of Democrats. You have the Democrats in leadership that are saying, you know what no slow your roll. We're going to walk ourselves towards impeachment. We're going to allow the president to self impeach. And the reality is that these poll numbers are taking up and they're not taking up because people are pulling adjusts in a Marsh, and they're actually going into their constituency bases. They're actually holding town halls where they're talking about a myriad of issues. But one of those issues being impeachment and why impeachment matters and why the constitution matters, and why what Donald Trump is doing. It's a lawless president matters to your day to day lives just in a mosh is doing that. But Democrats aren't so those numbers are taking up, and I agree with Howard Dean, I agree with the fact that, okay, here's that they may be we're doing the strategic patience right now. Maybe Nancy Pelosi she is three plagued three dimensional chess, as many of my callers. To my show say okay, you're, you're getting really carried away because you're really going after Nancy Pelosi here. And I said, yes, because here's the idea, the rest of America doesn't have three and four months to, to wait the rest of America is actually becoming more and more disengaged every day that goes on. And they see that no one is doing anything about Donald Trump. So this is a really interesting point, Brian. So there's, there's sort of two ways to think about this strategic patience here, which which Howard Dean was talking about in the earlier conversation. One is as a tactical ploy right to kind of let public opinion leap, if there's those question about like what do you want? If you're Nancy Pelosi of the Democratic Party right now. What do you want the democratic grassroots engaged in what is the fight right now? What do you want to be telling them? What do you want to tell him you stand for and to Daniel is point, do you think there's a worry that they become essentially demob mobilize? Yeah. I mean I read a story, I think it was in the in the Washington Post today, that was filled with Democrats complaining about how they can't get the public to care about the agenda. Passing through the house because Donald Trump has this megaphone, and he does all of these controversial things, and he's super corrupt, and that's all that the media cares about and Democrats on the other hand of this sort of break glass in case of emergency option. If they're worried about Trump controlling the narrative, they both can begin an impeachment process to take it away from him. But also because it's, it's the right thing to do. I mean I kind of find it mystifying to here, Howard Dean say that he thinks that Nancy Pelosi is, is not anti impeachment because she's, I've covered her for a long time and what she's doing with impeachment is sort of how she talks about an issue when she's whipping against it. It's not it's not the way she talks about an issue when she's trying to let her members get in front of the issue. I she's saying neutrally contradictory things about what impeachment means and wind. She should do it. She says we shouldn't do it for political reasons, but we shouldn't do it for not political reasons. And then in the next interview, she'll say something like impeachments very divisive. And we shouldn't we shouldn't just leap into it, but that's a political judgment that she's making. So you can't have it both ways. And the reason she's trying to have it both ways because she needs a reason to explain away why she's not doing what the constitution, clearly contemplates doing at this point. I think also to me. I mean, this is again, this is tactical question. I was talking to Howard Dean before about the Iraq war, which is on just totally different substantive immoral stakes. Right thousand bucks. But in terms of like group think right? When I saw the Washington Post story about this, Sherry buses telling folks, like look our message bills are not getting out. It's like that made me again. No kidding. You needed a focus group to tell you that like this. Are that really made me really wonder what the world is looking like from those that cohort? Afo. What's making me concerned day-to-day basis about democratic leadership? Because here's the thing is that a majority of people majority when you look at the polls in, you fascinate them together, a majority of the people want to an impeachment inquiry at the very least they're not talking about removal, they're talking about going through with the procedure to understand. More of what is happening right now. And that's it close out of one promote saying, okay? The president belongs in jail, and then on the other hand saying, but I don't wanna do for political reasons and I'm saying, you're not making a decision based on political decision because you're deciding that we have time to wait for twenty twenty when he told us that he's ready to steal the election before, then just saying you to Brian is that the, the proceedings itself have been stonewalled, the president has made these extremely tenuous and aggressive assertions of privilege over X staffers. There's been agreements cut for people to testify behind closed doors Muller is still on appeared any sort of degree to which that body can call people forward and use it as sort of public tools being stonewalled at this point with the idea that the courts are gonna ruin their favor. But that's just an open question. Yeah. I mean, I think what happened is that Democrats made a strategic decision well before the midterm elections to do something to, to avoid impeachment. That was based on a kind of misunderstanding of what? Kind of person. President Trump is right. They say that they were that he's trying to goad them into impeaching him because impeachment will be good for him. But he actually quite plainly seems very scared of impeachment. He's cooking. He's cooking up all these nonsense. Legal arguments. I will sue if they try to impeach me which just isn't a thing he doesn't want to be impeached. But he's he also identifies weakness and he attacks weakness. He's a bully. And that, that's how he operates. So the failure to start an impeachment process is encouraging him to, to lawlessly block the oversight process in congress to sort of sick, the Justice department on democratic candidates, and it's not gonna stop. I mean I don't see. Why would you contest the twentieth eighteen election's, if you didn't think you were going to end up in, in a debate over impeachment with Donald Trump, the person he was was clear to everyone before the election. I should note that the president's tweeting that Fox News. We talk about the president's tweeting about it just to show how unconcerned he is. And there are always bad for me. They're against crooked Hillary, she'll show is leading and swing states. Then a lot of stuff. He's currently watching television now. But we should also note that there's a New York Times story that just cross, which is here to your point about the sort of continue laws behavior suggests the number two of their partner, Justice personally intervened to make sure the Paul Manafort, wouldn't get set to Rikers, which people in the peace quoted as saying incredibly anomalous. Right. A high level intervention to make sure the Paul Manafort, who knows some things about the president is not sent to Rikers as would have been standard practice to face the state charges. So we may see a lot more of that, Daniel Bryan boy. Or thank you both for being with me tonight. Thank you next intelligence visuals, consider the president to be such a security risk. They are hesitant to share. Details about their operations against Russia. That report in two minutes. Hi, it's Katy Tur want to keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go. Subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC, two six six eight six six to subscribe. Looks like President Trump's own national security team is taking precautions to leave the commander in chief out of loop as a release their efforts to combat Russian cyber interference because they're afraid of the president's reaction when the president saw this reporting by the New York Times the US had Escalade online attacks Russia's power grid as a kind of warning the President Vladimir Putin of Russia, Trump basically flipped out. He's in the times of virtual act of treason, saying the report was not true. And really, you can practically feel the flop sweat coming off that tweet as he appears to publicly short Putin. He would never do anything like that to him times response made it abundantly clear Trump's own national security, team, did not take issue with the times reporting saying in a tweet, quote accusing the press of treason his dangerous. We described the article to the government before publication as our story notes. President Trump's own national security officials said there were no concerns MSNBC natural security analysts net price. Former special assistant to the President Obama and a former NFC spokesperson, and he. Joins me. Now, what do you make of the story? Well, in just in the contours of this story, Chris, I see a couple of different possibilities at play neither, neither of which really speaks well of this president of the national security processes in his White House when the people around him, I think the first possibility is that which the New York Times story, largely describes that the president's team decided to undertake these offensive cyber operations deep inside Russia's electrical grid without informing the president to my mind that would be equal parts. Terrifying reassuring. I mean, of course it's reassuring in some ways because we knew this president is we know what he's done in the Oval Office with the Russians, we don't know what he's done at Helsinki, one on one with Ladimir Putin. We know what he's done in terms of loose lips mar-a-lago. And he turned that into that makeshift situation room and on Twitter when he spilled classified information in some ways, it would be terrifying for the precedent, the precedent, it would set for our democracy, in some ways, it's a naphtha mature system of democracy, and certainly to the notion of civilian control of our military. If the department of defense can just undertake a profoundly novel and important, offensive cyber operations deep inside Russia's electric grid. I actually think though there's a there's another possibility that could be at play here. And that is that the president's team in talking to the New York Times over a series of weeks was actually just overstating the degree to which they had undertaken cyber operations as sort of psychological warfare is a way to deter Russia to sort of psych them out it under under that story line. Chris, I think the president's team was trying to counter Russia's game of chess with their own game of checkers. But then, of course, the president jumps in by losing a game of tic TAC toe by saying on Twitter that no no, no. This story is not true. Thereby revoking all of the leverage and the psychological benefit we would have gotten. Here's, here's more reporting piece of Pentagon intelligence officials ascribed broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction, and the possibility he might countermand it or. Discuss it with foreign officials as he didn't twenty seventeen when he mentioned a sensitive operations here to the Russian Foreign Minister to your point about the terrifying part of this. I mean it just seems untenable like he's the president United States. You know, you're going to sort of cabin him off from sensitive intelligence, but he is the president. But also you can't trust him this it's just incredibly damning. If in fact, they would do that, incredibly damning. Well, it is. And I have reason to suspect they may not be precisely the case, look this, according to the New York Times reporting came out of the department of defense. The senior military leader at the department of defense is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. He reports in many ways directly to the president, it would be difficult. Especially with this culture of accountability at the department of defense. And when it comes to operations as profound offense of cyber operations, that the president wouldn't have at least been back briefed on this, a senior Obama administration official recently said in a public forum that during the Obama years, he could count the number of offense of cyber operations on one hand. These are not opperations that you undertake every day every week in some cases even every year. Yeah. I mean, the other issue here is the sort of more. L substantive strategic question about like taking out someone's grid, which seems to me like an extreme esscalation that I really hope that no no, no one is it. Considering well, it's an extreme escalation against a civilian target. This is not going after Moscow's nuclear arsenal. This is not going after their command and control structures. The power grid is an inherently civilian structure in. That's the problem with cyber warfare. Look in conventional war, you respond with conventional means a nuclear war doctrine, prescribes, you respond with nuclear means in cyber, it's much more difficult because attribution is not a given. And there's this potential for escalatory spiral that you just don't see other realm. Yeah. This is my big concern net price. Thank you very much. Thank you ahead. Senator Chris Murphy on his colleagues call to bomb, Iran. The Trump administration's very dangerous campaign for war next. A little over a year ago, the president announced he was walking away from an international deal to limit Ron's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief, according to his own administration, Iran was fully complying with the restrictions that were imposed by that deal on enrichment and on its nuclear stockpiles, nevertheless, the president ripped it up withdrew the US from six party packed and reimpose sanctions broke the terms of the deal when your later, the chickens are coming home to roost. Iran is now threatening openly to exceed the limit on its stockpile of enriched uranium in just ten days. That is, of course, the exact situation that the nuclear deal was created to prevent the deal that Donald Trump walked away from for no discernible reason. But this latest development comes amid rising tensions between the US and Iran over attacks on shipping in the Middle East. Some of the president's closest advisers continue to push for further escalation tonight. The, the Pentagon just announced it's sending one thousand additional troops to the region. For what it is calling defensive purposes. Some of the president's allies are not content to stop there. These unprovoked attacks on commercial shipping warrant retaliatory, military strike. I you you're comparing the tanker warning the two now and saying that that's the kind of military response. You wanna see we can make military rack. We're spots at a time in a manner of our choosing. But yes, unprovoked attacks on commercial shipping warrant a retaliatory military strike against the Islamic Republic of Iran. And now by democratic Senator Chris Murphy, Connecticut member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee. Do you agree or with your colleague, Tom cotton? But there should be a US military strike on Iran. Well, that's an extraordinary precedent to set that the United States has a defense obligation to come to the aid of commercial shipping companies. It may be that the Iranians instigated this attack. Trae Pompeii who said this weekend, but none of that evidence has been provided to congress yet and what we can say, with definitive nece, is that the Trump administration's policy towards Iran, thus far has been an unmitigated disaster. He inherited a relationship that needed, lots and lots of work. The Iranians were still engaged in all sorts of bad behavior in the region, but they were not actively threatening US forces. They were not launching attacks against commercial interests at sea, and they were not restarting their nuclear program. All three of those things are happening now. And there seems to be no way out of this other than this new suggests. Of a military strike. My worry crisis that there are people inside the administration that think that you can get away with a time limited military campaign against Iran, ultimately, I think that if we begin that campaign, there is no seeming end to it. Which is why I'm pretty worried. Well, yeah. I mean, you got the Brad Stevens New York Times, columnists calling for the same thing that Tom cotton called for this is become a talking point in the last three days, right? Like US should just have a military strike. There's of course, the little question of the constitution, whether it would be legal. This is what Mike Pompeo said, when asked about legal authorization for military strike against Iran. Take a listen. Have the legal authorization for strike on Iran? We always have the authorization to defend American interest. Remember they now attacked US aircraft. They on June sixth, there was a missile fired from Yemen, with, that we assess had a rainy assistance, that took down an nine aircraft. These are attacks on fundamental international norms, and now on American interests. And we always have the right to defend our country. Is that true? It's fundamentally not true. The president does not have unchecked article two th authority to launch war against a country overseas simply to defend American interests. Now a president can take a short term military action to defend against an imminent attack. But you don't have the broad authority to defend against perspective attacks on American interests. And by the way, this idea of American interests is a. New paradigm without end. I have no idea how to defend and explain what American interests are. And apparently the administration has a very wide ranging view of that. I am. Glad you said that because I can't tell if I'm losing my mind every time I hear that term invoked. There are literally millions of American interests around the globe. Like there's, you know. Name a country in the world. It's got American interest. There's some American at some American businesses doing business there. Maybe there's some students they're like that just seems an utterly derange way to define the ability to make war, well, and then add to it the fact that they apparently are prepared to go to war against Iran for anything that anyone affiliated with Iran. Does that touches anything somehow connected you American interests? So I will not sit here and defend who the fired missiles into Saudi Arabia, but who do not have any command in control relationship with the Iranian government. This is a rebel group inside Yemen, and we do not have a defense agreement with the Saudi Arabian government. And yet, apparently, if the who these fire missiles into Saudi Arabia that could drag the United States into a war that could last year. So their votes in the Senate on the Republican side to, to override anything they do here. I don't know. There's certainly nothing in Republicans behavior in the Senate in the past to suggest there are enough. We put forward a War Powers resolution. Limiting the president's authority to go to war inside Yemen, and we got only a handful of Republican votes. We have a piece of legislation. That's pretty simple. That says the president can't take preemptive military action against Iran without congressional authority. We offer that for a vote in the foreign relations committee a week or so ago and only got maybe one or two Republican votes. So I worry that the Republicans are prepared to defend the president's actions here. No matter what quickly one to ten. How worried are you about where this is going right now? Put a number on it, but a thousand new troops into the region. Vague talk about needing our allies to support some campaign. That's coming and again, this talk that we hear, sometimes informally from the administration that they think that they could get away with a military campaign against Iran, that could be contained make me more worried today than I have been at any other point during this crisis. Right, Senator Chris Murphy, always pleasure. Thank you. Thanks had Trump ghostwriter twenty chores, and the president treating the Oval Office, like the set of a reality show and tonight's thing. One thing to starts next. Thing that I most of the world leaders who want something from Donald Trump had by now learned the secret just flatter him like crazy. And he is all yours. Putin knows Kim Jong who knows and Benjamin Netanyahu, really notice. The is no greater supporter of the Jewish people and the Jewish state, then President Donald Trump. You back up your strong words and strong actions changes to it, and you've touched a hearth. I've never seen the realistic alliance between the United States will other allies region has strong as unified as it is under your leaders are dear friend. Donald, I think we quote each other we understand each other, Mr President, Donald, there's no city on earth, where you are more welcome than right here with us in Jerusalem, now Netanyahu is a smart guy. He pours and on, because the being tight with Trump is good for both parties which explains his huge campaign posters around, Tel Aviv earlier this year, and it's more than just words when Trump visited Israel, then Yahoo made sure he got his favorite foods like burgers steak chocolate cake and even supposedly maybe. Settlement after Trump. Okay. Is that real? It is Trump really falling for this stuff. No. It's not. And yes, he is that's thing to in sixty seconds. Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu have a special relationship, you might remember back in March, Trump announced via Twitter, the US was going to recognize Israel sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and then commemorated the move with a nice gift to his friend, BB, a map of Israel, including the Golan Heights handled. Everybody Jared Kushner, Trump sharp he'd, the whole thing up signing his name and adding a little arrow pudding, the Golan Heights with one word, nice naturally. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wanted to return the favor decided to give the president a whole town in the Golan Heights named after him Trump heights. They put up a big beautiful sign with golden letters, how the special dedication ceremony over the weekend. The US ambassador, Israel David Freeman was there seen here in a photo that he tweeted prime minister Netanyahu was there, too and also tweeted about the historic day, Trump himself, re tweeted that tweet, but there's just one tiny little problem. The town doesn't seem to actually exist as a member of the Necet from Golan Heights said there is no budgeting, no planning. No location for a settlement, and there's no binding decision to implement the project. Others have noted they can't even legally establish a new community until after the new elections is no word on whether any of that info has made its way to President Trump. And you'd think embassador might have noticed. There was nothing but dirt behind that sign. Joe Biden is leading the polls, the democratic nomination at least for now and his stature is from our vice president means he can afford to be somewhat selective in which forums and Canada cattle calls he attends. But today he did head down to Washington DC for the poor people's campaign. Presidential forum Baden is largely stayed out of this kind of environment, so far, it was fascinating to see how the gate it particularly when our own MSNBC's joy Reid, one of the moderators asked, how he would deal with the Senate controlled by Mitch McConnell, jewelry. I know you're one of the biggest naive to think we have to work together. The fact of the matters that we can't get a consensus and nothing happens except the abuse of power by the executive zero number one number two. There are certain things were just takes a brass knuckle fight. You have to go out and beat these folks, if you don't if they don't agree with you by making your case, and that's what presence is supposed to do persuade the public, but me move people as to what's going. In on. So you go out and you beat them. You make the case you make an explicit case just like we did for the house. I think you can do the same thing for the Senate. Massachusetts, Senator Elizabeth Warren who's been climbing. The polls recently had a different answer to that. Very same question. If we're in the majority and Mitch McConnell, wants to block us on the kinds of things our country needs and the kinds of things they elected me and other people to enact, then I'm all for getting rid of the filibuster. We cannot let him block things the way he did during the Obama administration. I've been there when it was one set of rules when President Obama was president. And now it's a different set of rules now that they've got Trump in the White House. We can't do that as Democrats, we have to be willing to get in this fight. Now, I should say this is a question. I've asked a lot of candidates and to be clear. What are you going to Mitch McConnell's and impossibly tough question? Whatever the right answer is if three even is just one run answer really remains unclear particularly if the Republicans were to hold a Senate majority under a democratic president. But if a democrat is lucky enough to win the White House next year, they will have to take a hard look at some kind of Mitch McConnell strategy and come up with a viable response to McConnell's legacy because this just. It might be the question that defines their presidency. Trump. President Trump just had his newsy est non-fox interviews, since he said this Lester Holt way back in may of two thousand seventeen. Regardless of recommendation, I was going to fire. Call me knowing there was no good time to do it. And in fact, when I decided to just do it. I said to myself, I said, you know. This rusher thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election. Now Trump has real deal. A lot in his latest interview with George Stephanopoulos. He said he would accept foreign help in the next election. He cues his own phone White House counsel of breaking the law by lying, Robert Muller. And here's his answer verbatim when he was asked if he thinks Kim Jong Hoon is still building nuclear weapons. I'm going to quote and read it here. I don't know. I hope not. He promised me, he wouldn't be he promised. We me he wouldn't be testing. I think he'd like to meet again. And I think he likes me a lot. But throughout the interview becomes clear that Trump sees himself as a performer above all else, even asking for a second take in an Oval Office interview. When you will see my financial statement at some point, I assume it's going to be released. You'll be very impressed with the job. I've done much much bigger much, much better than any, but thereafter, my financial statement, the Senate, they'd like to get my financial statement at some point, I hope they get it. You're going to turn it over. Now at some point, I might but at some point they get it because it's, it's fantastic. Financial statement. It's a fantastic financial salmon. And let's do that over. He's coughing in the middle of my aunts, yet, I don't like that. You know, your cheapest game you got a cough, please leave bureau shot over here. Can't you just can't just a change of something? Sorry. Okay. You want to do that a little differently than we just change the angle. Thank you. So at some point, so at some point, I look forward to, frankly, I want to have people see my financial statement because he's been nominal notes. Not up to me it's up to lawyers. It's up to everything else that was Mick Mulvaney, getting tossed in the Oval Office for coughing. Joining me now an expert on Donald Trump Tony Schwartz ghostwriter and cough in front, the art of the deal that there's so much going on in that clip. That sort of perfectly embodies, the but the I g want to do another take. No. The first is the number of lies. He tells in a remarkably short period of time, you know, this is all he does. Now he lies all the time virtually nothing. He says is true. And so he's conjured eight financial statement, a fictional thing that the Senate wants that he wants release that the lawyers won't let him that does not exist. None of it means anything the right thing for starve this sucker. Just stopped listening, ignore everything he says, I think that's right. I'm really do. I think he is. He has gone so far over. I mean, there was a point at which only about twenty or thirty percent of what he said was untrue. It's now, eighty or ninety percents it's gotten. I mean one thing I I've read the whole transcript today. So forty pages and one of the things that strikes jumps out of you. When you read the transcript is, it's just constant repetition, and a total failure to ever form a complex thought or even building the argument, you know, you could say, like look, here's why didn't obstruct Justice one two three. Can't do it. And I can't tell that this is someone who is choosing not to do it because he thinks repetition is more effective, or is capable of d is one hundred percent incapable of doing it. There is not one chance in hell that this guy could put together a coherent set of sentences, and when he's under pressure, and he's feeling under enormous pressure right now what he does is he doubles down on what he always does. So we repeats the ozzfest gates relies. You know, when you think about Mick Mulvaney, standing in that office as the chief of staff to the president of the United States. And he says. Get out of this room, because you coughed what, you know, is to know Trump is to hate Trump. To know Trump is to hate Trump. Meaning everybody who knows him deep down hates him completely. You know, it's funny, you said that because Michael Wolff, who has a new book out, gave an interview, and I think that there's lots of reasons that people have been skeptical of some of the things reported, Michael wolf's book, one of the big bombshells was denied by the office special counsel. So I don't I make no determination about to the factual accuracy that book but he said exactly the same thing. He said that every person who works with him does secretly despise him. Yvonne good despises him. Jared despises him. You know this other chil. Deducing this in the behavior of the man that you spent time around correct to do it from the behavior. And from the fact because he treats people like that exactly. When you're around a person who devalue humiliates you ignores you shames you what possible, other reaction could you have other than despise to despise him? And what happens is, there's a percentage of people who feel that way and don't care. Right. Because he's serving some other or they believe he's serving some other agenda that they share. But it is extraordinarily to imagine the level of isolation that he has reached he's now, alone in this White House. And I mean, alone you remember when Nixon was walking around talking to the walls, but there was still a few people that was hey, and there was Diane Sawyer. There were a few people around who we still talk to there's nobody with Trump, who he pays any attention to heal who he'll give sufficient respect to that. Actual dialogue that can take place. I mean, that that's what worries me this is sort of character study. But again, it's character in the context of, you know, are we going to go to war with Ron? Yeah. No, that's compensation. He's having with himself because he, he really does believe this is part of the doubling down the more insecure. He gets the more inflated he becomes so he believes even more in his omniscience. And then there's people that are around who are opportunistically, cultivate that to their own policy, ends, which is also my fear, particularly in the context of Iran, when there are people like particularly John Bolton who have we know for long periods of time desired, this particular policy. Yes. So he will put up with anything Bolton will what he's in that category. Yes. But Trump will turn on him one day the opposite way was the previous day. So good luck to John bolt today. It may be okay tomorrow, it won't. Right. And that this is true. Albania has been true Pompeo. It's been true of everyone has the limb saw off behind them. Yes. And they and they walk out of it. You know, something close to impotent. I mean he he he, he reduces you as a human being, but why do people keep signing up to be reduced? I find it just even watching Mike Pompeo, answer questions on the Sunday shows looking like just a complete befuddled fool, just an absolute fool stripped-down, sitting there, trying to deny the reality Belsey, and he calls accepting for an interference Washington talk. I think he has a certain kind of demonic power perverse kind of charisma that sucks people in and then once they're in, it's very hard to get out and listen, the proximity to power. Secretary state. Exactly. You're the secretary of state, you're working with the president of the United States, that is intoxicating, particularly. If you yourself have the certain kind of interrupting us final question the person that you see in this long interviews to the longest interview we've seen with a real interlocutor for a long time compared to the man that you worked with, whatever it was twenty five years ago. Like, is there decline? Oh, there's massive decline. There is massive decline. Now listen it wasn't a very high bar. Eat a net. But the amount of decline is extraordinarily, and it's in the form of the inability to step back, even an inch from himself. Yeah. That's very apparent Tony Schwartz. Thank you so much size that does it for all in. You can catch us every week night at eight o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's Facebook dot com slash all in with Chris Willie Geist here on this week's episode of the Sunday, sit down podcast actor and comedian Bill Hader to talk about his time on SNL his hit show berry and we make a big dateline surprise meeting. 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"From Washington DC. This is Westwood One Daily News for Monday. March Ninth Twenty Twenty. I'm Christopher Cruise. We begin with a report from Capitol Hill correspondent Linda Kenyon on the federal government's response to the continuing spread of the corona virus. Dr Anthony Fauci with the National Institutes of Health says the health and safety of the American people is the top concern. If you're an elderly person with an underlying condition if you get infected the risk of getting it the trouble is considerable so it's our responsibility to protect vulnerable Dr Fouled. She is a member of the White House. Corona virus taskforce. He tells CNN state of the Union. This vulnerable population also can take some steps to protect itself. No large crowds no long trips above all. Don't get on a cruise ship. Us Surgeon General. Dr Jerome Atom says yes age matters but so do other health concerns when it comes to the corona virus it's really focusing on the CO morbidity on the Medical Problems Heart Disease Lung Vive immuno-compromised folks in addition to that combination of older age. That seems to put people most at risk. Dr Adams also told CNN state of the Union individual communities can take steps to protect more people from becoming infected things like. Should we be canceling large gatherings. What are telework policies? Should we be closing schools? And that's going to be different in Seattle than what it's going to be in Jackson. Mississippi Senator Chris Murphy agrees but says communities cannot do this without help. I think we need to be prepared for school closures and business closures and we need to understand that no city is going to take those measures unless there is some assistance from the federal government on. Cbs's face the nation Murphy said it's also about the right kind of federal assistance. We're talking about industry. Bailouts and tax cuts. We should be talking about assistance for average Americans and that's not a conversation that's happening. Dr Ci says what is happening. Is that more test. Kits are becoming available about one point. One million tests are out there now. There'll be an additional about six hundred forty thousand on. Let's say Monday. And then at least another four million on Fox News Sunday Dr Fao. She also cautioned against placing too much emphasis on a corona virus vaccine. We talking at least a year to a year and a half at least at best and for those who are concerned about getting the virus Dr Adams till CNN. You're going to see more cases. Unfortunately you're going to see more death but that doesn't mean that we should panic. It means that we should take the things that we know work for individuals to protect themselves. And make sure everyone is doing those things like washing your hands frequently like covering your cough like staying home if you're sick and not being around people who were thick Linda Kenyon Washington the first positive case of the corona virus of an American service member station in the US has been confirmed by the Marine Corps correspondent. Bill Michaels spoke with Marina officials about the positive test the marinas part of the Marine Corps Base Quantico community at is being treated at Fort Belvoir Army base in northern Virginia Marine remains in isolation at the base hospital duty officer Captain Allison Burgo says the Marine had been unofficial traveled to Ethiopia upon showing symptoms marine followed official guidance by reporting to the assigned healthcare facility. Where the marine was screened and immediately isolated upon Burgo says the base has taken action to protect the community base just went to Code Yellow which means mission essential personnel only are required to come to work And telework am and authorized leave also encouraged. She says raising the threat level to code yellow was made out of an abundance of caution military and public. Health officials haven't seen evidence of Cova nineteen spreading in Virginia and as stated by CDC a threat to public health and the risk of exposure to the virus is low schools Marine Corps base. Quantico will be closed through Wednesday for a thorough cleaning as a preventative measure Marine Corps base. Quantico is less than forty miles south of the nation's capital bill Michaels Washington some of the passengers on the grand princess that cruise ship that was turned away from port after some of those on board tested positive are expected to come ashore today correspondent. Evan haning has that well. The sheriff is set to dock in Oakland California but because of the size of the port and the enormity of the cruise ship Governor Gavin newsom says docking won't be easy the expectation is determined. The what the best cross current conditions are as well as title conditions to create the opportunity to have a window for ship the size to come into a port where it's typically not being docked now the majority of those aboard are Americans but several hundred are from fifty four other countries. The State Department says it's working to repatriate them to their countries of origin. Another cruise ship is in quarantine on the Nile River in Egypt with forty five confirmed corona virus cases to other ships with no confirmed cases. Were turned away this weekend from Malaysia and Malta amid virus fears although more than thirty four hundred people have died from the virus worldwide. There is one piece of encouraging news at this point. The number of recoveries from Corona virus infection outnumbers. The number of fatalities. I'm Evan Haning with significant blue collar and black voter blocs. Michigan is drawing the attention of the Democratic candidates for president. They've been spending a lot of time. They are trying to secure enough votes to win. The state's primary tomorrow correspondent Bob Costantini reports on key endorsements for the two major candidates. She was in early exit in the Democratic race but says she only decided to endorse now. That fellow female senators Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth. Warren are out California. Senator Kamala Harris during a ceremonial march in Selma Alabama discussing her decision to endorse Joe Biden. If you ever met Joe if you've ever seen him if you know him you know he always speaks to talk to our better selves. He always someone reaches out to people in a way that is about caring about people. Harris will appear with the former vice president. Enter Detroit rally tonight just before Michigan's primary. While Biden is considered to be very popular with African American voters. Their support has been crucial to stunning turnaround. Bernie Sanders on. Nbc's Meet the press announcing a significant endorsement. And I'm very proud. Jesse Jackson who has you know is has been one of the great civil rights leaders in our country. Who when he ran for president in eighty-eight. Actually one here in Michigan and Jackson was lead up speaker and a grand rapids rallies Sunday. We'll burn the winds healthcare with Sandra's campaign statements. That Biden had not reached out to Jackson for his endorsement. While Sandra's had Bob Costantini Washington businesses in and around Austin Texas of going to take a huge economic hit because of the cancellation of at big south by southwest gathering corresponding Clayton. Neville says. Some business owners are calling the cancellation devastating south by southwest usually brings in around one hundred thousand people who pack Austin streets in restaurants. The Tech Film and Music Festival was scheduled to start next week before it was called off on Friday. Report showed the total economic impact of the event at about three hundred and fifty six million dollars last year. Travis County Judge Sarah Eckhart explained disaster declaration that required the event to be called off and signing a companion declaration of disaster which will apply countywide to festival gatherings That are attracting individuals from areas. That have documented cases in person to person transmission of covert nineteen insisted. The move was precautionary. This is data driven. It's helped Helped decision driven. It is not a panic decision. There have been no confirmed cases in Austin but several in Houston not far way Austin medical director. Dr Mark. Scott says it's important the community be ready for what he believes isn't inevitable spread of the virus in some capacity unlike a hurricane looming in the Gulf Austin Mayor Steve Adler called the cancellation unfortunate but necessary in this in this together. Business is hurting in many disappointed but better safe than sorry. The message for now with many business owners left scratching their heads forced to wait till next time. I'm Clayton Neville and that's Westwood One Daily News for Monday March Ninth Twenty Twenty. I'm Christopher Cruise.

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Can Biden Break Through?

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Can Biden Break Through?

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash powerhouse. That's indeed dot com slash powerhouse hello and welcome to powerhouse politics a._b._c. News political director reclined maybe see as deputy political director maryalice parks and i'm not gonna lie to you maryalice this date that life had circled on the calendar for a long time. It is the the final day for democratic candidates for president to have a qualifying poll for the next debate the a._b._c. news debate date which will be held about two weeks from now in houston texas. It is a day of of tension. It is a day of some controversy for many of the campaigns <hes> we are through the roof. Tell there's not going to be some some of our listeners. At least <hes> this is this is a big one. It is maybe the most significant deadline so far in the democratic race for president and i think it comes at an interesting time in the race because it's come amid a a rather interesting forcing debate around electability what that means and at a time when democratic voters tell us they're pretty ready for a field to winnow when i'm out there talking to people both often say there's just too many candidates to keep track of having those <hes> big tonight at fares at twenty people have been hard for some voters who are not the super activist type so i think there's a lot of folks who are ready to start looking at a smaller field. Well in the smaller details will come out over the next twenty four hours. <hes> we're gonna talk a little bit later. In the program with senator chris murphy of connecticut who's been at the center of a couple of big story lines one involving negotiations with the white house over potential gun control control legislation. There are some signs that things are moving even in the dog days of august. We'll also talk about the fallout of a g seven summit where the president often seemed isolated on the world stage a lot of people talking about this as a a moment where the the rest of the world realized they can maneuver around the president and what the implications are for that around foreign policy well. I wanna bring in a special guest a good friend of ours one of our star campaign reporters out there on the trail making her powerhouse politics debut so excited rachel scott. You've seen her on tv because she's been there a whole a whole bunch of <hes> vegetarians already and you've seen her on our on air platforms as well <hes> and unreachable. You had just a really interesting opportunity. <hes> just last night tuesday tuesday <hes> where <hes> the former vice president joe biden had a a a pretty small group of reporters in <hes>. Tell us a little about that. Yeah it's over ninety minutes <hes> roughly ten black reporters and one of the early leading in front runner candidates one of those rare moments that you have to sit down and just chat and he talked about a lot of different things his electability <hes> how he's weighing lang with with black voters some of the mistakes that he did in the first debate right cutting himself off he saw that as a mistake and something that he didn't want to do again <hes> even talking about some some of his past comments that he's made about working with segregationist senators and how those claims he won't make again talked about potential v._p. Pick saying that while he's not committing anything he does think that there needs to be either a woman or someone of color but there were some moments that struck out to me and while he did touch on these slipups and these mistakes the stakes. There's one thing that biden very confident about the black vote <hes> ah for him though his voting base always skews older and this car. There's this conversation asian happening even within the black community now of why don't younger voters the younger black voters <hes> like biden. What's stopping them. He had this moment yesterday where he's talking about his record and instead of saying how he says biden says how needs to be more aware but he doesn't say that he needs to be more aware aware of how he's communicating his record. He says he needs to be more aware that younger voters don't know much much about history and this is going to be a point of contention that i think that biden is going to find himself in when he's trying to explain his decades long record to younger voters he says he wants to go out and talk to each and fraternities and sororities as and and and get this base riled up but if your message is going to them and saying that you don't know much and at this point he turns to the younger voters in the room and then he goes goes on after briefly pausing and saying listen to some of you weren't even born then and then he adds so when i say things like i noticed when i set the crime epidemic the only person who nodded it was you and he turned to turn to an older black reporter in the room so does he mean people don't understand his personal history because that might be true true but part of what he's going to keep struggling with is whether he can show young voters that he speaks about these issues in today's language they might not care about his past history of he doesn't have a good grasp of these issues or can communicate that he has a good grasp of these issues as they're playing out in twenty nineteen exactly and that is the point here is that while oh no one can rattle off his specifics of his crime bell right the reality is for a lot of black young people in this country they're still dealing with the effects and and they're still dealing with the systemic and institutional racism that existed in one thousand nine before when we're having these same conversations and so- biden yesterday he pointed to the fact of loyalty. He says one of his proudest things is that he has you know turnout. Among black voters that black voters turn out for him even off years. They'll come out and support him. He said he's very very proud of it and then he says that you call loyalty but this concept of loyalty is quite foreign to younger voters general and younger black voters. I was in chicago. Go on the heels of the first debate. Biden was there as well <hes> for the rainbow push coalition and i talked to younger black voters and there was a divide a stark divide in the room older black voters were willing to give biden pass following those comments about bussing and kamla harris hitting him on that issue. They were willing to give him a pass. They said all right. They'll do better. It's it's fine younger. Black voters rated him a one point eight and one young black voter told me listen we younger generations don't have a loyalty to one any person. <hes> you know oh. My father grew up with biden. He told me back in june. There's a history with the older black community that just isn't there with younger voters and we need to seek proof in this current moment and yesterday when the former vice president was sitting there and talking about how you know maybe younger generations and even younger reporters in the room aren't aware of history he doesn't he didn't even have a concept of how maybe he's not even communicating effectively or how that could possibly come across his largely offensive. Take a large group of people and i think that's a fascinating insight about about his mindset here and it gets to to marry alison question one another issue around how familiar people <music> are with him and comfortable with him versus just comfortable with his name or comfortable with the idea of him with a still very undefined field <hes> this was a week that had a hole whole come out that that had basically a three way tie for first and this sense political twitter into an absolute tizzy cable news all kinds of blaring headlines lines about how biden's no longer the front runner we should note that there have been over raft of of other polls that have come out that have confirmed what seemed to be the case before that which is around a double digit lead need for <hes> for the vice president <hes> and even in a rare acknowledgement by the pollster this appears to have been an outlier poll but but he addressed the polls with with you and and your colleagues in the room take a listen to this. I don't think the polls are going to show my face when i feel when i see <hes> tom and what i'm finding is in. Some of you follow me. I think meeting with genuine u._c._s. Find you walk down the street. People run-up to walk into crowds getting big crowds in new hampshire early states finding that. I've never been to college campus machine well so rachel. I is interesting about this. Is it it it gets to a couple of different print. <hes> story lines that that that are defining the vice president's campaign at this one. Is this electability argument. We heard <hes> jill biden dr jill biden last week. Make the argument directly to voters and it kinda change the storyline for a few days that he's winning basically because he's the guy who can win and <hes> that is a perilous argument to pursue assu. You can ask hillary clinton about that mitt romney about that this is there's a long history of front running candidates who get overconfident with that. There's also i think this this this reliance that he has on feel that <hes> because the crowds are are are big for him. He feels like that demonstrating enthusiasm. I'm curious how that squares with what you've seen an on the ground i think most voters that we talk to on the ground want to see someone that could be donald trump in twenty twenty and that is who they're casting their vote behind <hes> but at the same time you're right i think for for for biden he thinks that people have adjust and understand dan who he is and yesterday he kept pointing to that fact he he told us repeatedly that that people have a sense of his character worth warts and all he said warts and all <hes> and and he thinks that people will give him a pass <hes> on certain things or you know he he thinks that people look at him in the larger context of his decades long <hes> career but it's something thing that is a question of is he taking certain groups for for granted to and is he taking a potential lead in this race for granted and you're seeing possibly a support growing for other a top tier candidates and i'm not sure he's effectively made the argument about why he thinks he's the most electable <hes> you you know. We tried to talk about how he's the guy that can can work across the aisle. He that's actually when he had one of his biggest stumbling because his example was didn't wasn't received very well. <hes> i mean he he can effectively make that argument like you said they'll rick. That's a pretty perilous argument to make a but. I don't even know if he's made that argument very well. You know i'm also struck by whether we were talking before about the generational divide on blockbusters but there's just a larger generational divide playing out in the democratic primary for sure and it is notable that those other two that have been clipping ping at his heels bernie sanders and elizabeth warren do so well with younger voters and really have still the enthusiasm of younger voters and so he he might be feeling some enthusiasm but maybe he's not attending any of their events. That's that's that's a good point. You only get to go to your own typically. Speaking and the dynamics from here will change. I mean we talked about the debate in september and without knowing with any finality what things look like. There's there's a a a strong likelihood. Let's say joe biden will have to face some of the front runners. He hasn't faced before he hasn't actually been on a debate stage yet. With elizabeth warren who's been very critical of of his record going back decades and he's gonna come also critical of his ideas for the future. I mean she. She's out there. The democratic committee meeting and this week saying that a piecemeal approach a middle ground approach the future for the party isn't the way of the party and she gets huge applause and standing ovations when then she talks about about structural change and that is totally seen as an attack on bite into it clearly is <hes> we know we know what that that means an and rachel just finally on this on this point <hes> the the kind of the field around the vice president. I think it's unusual that he would convene a meeting like this. In the first place <hes> there's a lot of confidence in that campaign <hes> and confidence even what he says but what did what did you make of it seems like just an unusual thing to happen <hes> at any stage of a campaign and for a front runner at this stage of a campaign. Oh definitely i mean it was yeah i mean you had this moment where you're sitting there around the table and you're looking and there's ten some odd black journalists and and the vice president and and you know i think race racial issues racial tension in this country is so center his campaign and obviously black voters are a key part of the democratic democratic base and so having these conversations around race and racial injustice. I mean even yesterday a lot of a lot of biden. A lot of biden speeches talk about you know the middle class but we don't really talk about the poor as much <hes> so that came up and there were certain issues that definitely did come up <hes> but it struck me as the former vice president wanted to have a space where black journalists could ask questions that relate to our community and and also just the larger political landscape in general and there were things that he wanted to clarify and there were other things that he wanted to talk about how he plans to get the support sort of the black community how he plans to maintain the support of the black community and he continued to also hit on the president and kind of made this not you know i think it yesterday most of his most of his attacks against the president against white supremacy <hes> there was a moment even where he may have not realize realized that he was still on the record and he costs and said s._o._b. Referring to what what would you do with a child came home and told you that their principal all was using the same language that the president is using and he said you would want that s._o._b. Fired and then you quickly corrected himself and said oh that person that person yeah but it was an honest sort of conversation that we were having and i think that just showed it even that slight little mishap slip up he was having doing this this conversation with us and there were some points that really aggravated him and really touched on key issues of his campaign that you could tell her very close to his heart and racial tension in this country was definitely one of them <hes> but he also pointed to the fact that while you do have these progressivism yes they're making garnering support right especially along younger ah younger voters he pointed to the fact too that the older black community is not as progressive as people think <hes> a lot out of older black voters are conservative and have conservative values and he thinks that by him being this more moderate type of candidate in the end that voting base is going to be what kind of pulse and pulls them over the edge all right rachel scott our colleague a._b._c. really appreciate it greek view great having you with us before we go to break mcnary says one thing i i just wanted to to highlight out of the g seven because there was a there were a lot of back and forth with the president seeming to argue against himself all for contradict himself in the middle of it. He got an intriguing question to my mind about <hes> the way he negotiates the back and forth and the changing statements from yourself so that the celery negotiate so my question is is that a strategy a strategy called president enemy one day and then say that relationship and and then it's gonna negotiate. It's done very well for me over the years and it's doing even better for the country that just struck me. Maryalice is one of those those moments where the president was being extremely honest or entirely dishonest and it's hard to tell which sometimes both things are true with him because sometimes he he is honest in his dishonesty. Sometimes i think he's dishonest. I'll unpack that in a later episode but the bottom line to my mind is it felt it fill phil to me that in addition to the president acknowledging that that a lot of the world community is starting to acknowledge that as well that the president will say outrageous things false things he will just claim things he will make up conversations with world leaders at times. <hes> will contradict himself in public. He will say things that are just flatly not true he he will say he didn't say things that he clearly just said and yet the rest of the world rather than even seeking to fight now seems to be maneuvering a rounded that to immu one takeaway from the g seven meeting absolutely and they're realizing that cast theory just revolt that this whole white house is totally entrapped opt in chaos theory and that that the only way to sort of deal with it is to accept that or to ignore it but to not get caught up in it. <hes> and i think that like you said we saw a lot of those world leaders in some ways outmaneuver because they to them. The president looks one note. It's been the same note. It might be a crazy chaos theory. No but it's the same it's the same it's been it's been going on for quite a while now until his to just really quickly rig about about how it's been working well for the country. They're definitely the things that have been working well share but a lot of those big deals that he keeps gunning for whether it's a trade deal with china or even finishing a redone nafta trade deal thomas other negotiations <hes> he's still hoping for them he still telling the country to wait and see and have faith in his negotiating style and at some point he's gonna and have to show that he can actually deliver if he's going to be this erratic in his strategy and segue alert. We know a senator who is concerned about very similar alert things about the meetings if g seven also senator that wanted to go to russia because the russians are telling me he's not invited. He doesn't even have a visa to go. We after the break going to chat chat with senator chris murphy of connecticut stick with us when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste. You need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why oh you need indeed. 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By senator ended their chris murphy democrat of connecticut who's been front center on a couple of issues <hes> later this month <hes> including some foreign policy issues and some issues shoes around gun control senator welcome back to the podcast so i want to start with foreign policy and some of the fallout from g seven and <hes> we saw the president who to some observers have said seem to be arguing with himself on some big issues <hes> china trade of course iran russia looming is a big issue who always what did you make of the of the g seven and we're we're at puts the united states in terms of security in terms of economic security and economic certainty. It was so sad to watch you know we are <hes> essentially a nuisance power today <hes> these nations that were sitting with the g. seven or just trying to survive a meeting with donald trump making arrangements without us and around us <hes> and it's uh-huh catastrophic in the long run to u._s. National security interests that you know of course if the president is sincere in making this trade war with china his top priority already then he should have ordered the e seven in a way that would get other nations to join us. I it didn't seem like he had the faintest interest in actually trying trying to make the agenda match up with his goals. He complained about the agenda seemed to make some last minute suggestions to change it <hes> but the leadership at seven was provided by <hes> emmanuel macron i and thank goodness for it that he was able to <hes> move at least some members of the g. seven ford on environmental issues economic and security issues but it's a real bad sight to see the united states become so so so weak in the world you know we're curiosity <hes> but not much more and one asked a little bit more about russia because you were denied a visa to attend as part of congressional delegation <hes> visit <hes> senator ron johnson republican from wisconsin also would have been part of that group group. Is i understand that looking to go there. What were you hoping to accomplish them into your in the russians are still saying that they never denied the visa but they're quite angry at other things you have said what what what is the upshot and what's the latest as you know it as to the status of that trip and what you were you. Were hoping to achieve while they're well. You know i'm not going to moscow because the russians tonight by visa. I don't have a visa to go to russia. I can't go and it's only the russian government could provide it <hes>. It's not shocking to me that they denied me. I've been a tough critic of russia's information warfare battling in the u._s. Elections i was in ukraine three different times with senator mccain back in two thousand thousand thirteen thousand and fourteen when <hes> that revolution of dignity was happening <hes> there <hes> but i was going to moscow to try oughta find some avenues of cooperation. <hes> you know unfortunately has fallen to members of the foreign relations committee to keep relationships alive around on the globe because this administration isn't interested in doing it. We have you know totally dysfunctional relationship with russia and yet there are these important places places where we have to cooperate whether it be syria or iran or counterterrorism so you know we were going there certainly to raise objections to <hes> the things that we still protest <hes> regarding moscow occupation of ukraine their continued efforts to try to <hes> screw with us <hes> politically domestically mystically in the united states but we also were trying to find his operation and you know if you're not letting you know fairly mainstream foreign policy <hes> thinkers like myself and ron ron johnson in the moscow then i'm not sure who they are gonna let in and it just serve still ultimately atrophy our relationship and make it much harder for you know any future presidents have tried to put this bilateral relationship between the united states and russia back together. I want to pin. It's the headline that rick was talking about. <hes> there's been so much concern from voters about whether or not washington's going to do anything on gun safety reform and you have said you're still optimistic. That surprised a lot of folks here in washington. Ten political reporters like myself who are constantly skeptical where our negotiations. What conversations are you having with the white house still i mean we're in in the middle of negotiations with the white house as we speak <hes> by offices in touch with the white house and a handful of other congressional offices on a daily daily basis <hes> and <hes> i have been in touch with the white house as well. I haven't spoken to the president in a number of weeks but i did speak with him. <hes> shortly after the paso in dayton shootings things in which he made clear to me that he wanted to <hes> negotiate some expansion of background checks and you know even when there was a burst of reporting reporting <hes> a couple of weeks ago suggesting that the president had talked with the n._r._a. Reversed course <hes> the white house immediately reached back out to me and said no. We're you know don't believe those stories. We are sincere about trying to get something done on background checks. We wanna build a process negotiations and so we're in that process this week i think the chances are still less than fifty so we end up with background checks expansion that the president supports and it can get sixty votes in the senate but but <hes> we're talking in a more substantive way than we have ever done before during the trump administration and <hes> i don't. I don't know that optimistic against the word but i'm absolutely willing to sit at the table with us. Administration background checks <hes> and i think you know in the next couple of weeks. We'll know whether they're serious or whether after after every single one of our meetings they're going back and giving a readout to the n._r._a. And ultimately <hes> is continuing to allow the gun lobby to have a veto power. That's the case then. We're not getting a deal and have you had any more conversations with mitch mcconnell the republican leader in the senate. I think mcconnell has chosen his words carefully carefully. He has said that he's willing to bring background. Checks to the floor of the senate if it can get fifty votes and i think there's a pretty simple pathway to sixty votes. That's an endorsement. The bill by the president of the united states remember ninety. Five percent of americans support universal background checks republicans are losing seats by the dozens all around the country because of their obstinance abstinence on the issue of gun and that is a pretty quick political transformation. I mean it's it doesn't sixteen. I wouldn't claim to say that the issue background checks was a you know <hes> from find voting issue for swing voters in this country it is now and so republicans are sort of coming to grips with that which is why if the president endorses a background checks bill. I don't think republicans in significant numbers in the senate are gonna <hes>. Take mccalls left the door open because he wants to see if the president towards the bill table those keywords if the president i mean negotiating with the white house is one thing having the president's word on something another i know you spoke to him and he and he said to you you that he's committed to this but he's also said a whole lot of things that make it look like we're seeing a replay of what was said after parkland and and it looks like he's walking back to a different position. Do you have a clear sense of what he is actually committed to what he considers to be meaningful in terms of background checks and and end you talk about your pessimism of less than fifty fifty here how much of that is just based on not knowing where the president himself is as of today most of it i mean i don't oh no where the president is i. I i had a conversation with him. <hes> we did not get into the details about exactly what parts of the mansion to me background the czechs compromise. He's a ports and he doesn't support <hes> i and of course i've been through this before after parkland <hes> he invited me and a handful of others over the white house for a meeting that was televised televised in which he seemed to endorse expanded background checks and then within twenty four hours he had reversed himself. I guess the reason why a little bit more optimistic. This time is is that we are now <hes> three weeks from my conversation with him and we are still in these conversations and i think some of the reporting was. It's probably a little inaccurate in that it said well. The president isn't for universal background checks <hes> well. That's not really news i. I don't think the president was ever for universal background checks. Yes i think he may support expanding background checks. Things like gun shows <hes> but yes in the end. I don't know where the president is. I think there's a good chance he will continue to allow the rates that set policy on guns in the white house but i don't know the stakes are life and death <hes> they really are and so. I feel an obligation to you. You know be at the table knowing that once again i might get the football yanked out from under the as i try to kick it. I guess i'm willing to suffer that embarrassment. If there's even a remote chance that we can pass a bill to save lives. You tweeted this week that the the crisis in the amazon needed more global attention attention <hes> you actually called the the twenty million or so that was dedicated from the g. seven offensive and said you didn't which was more offensive that or the fact that it looked like brazil is is going to reject that money. What do you think is inappropriate some for the u._s. to to say they'd be willing to contribute to fight fires there. I think the united states that offer both carrots carrots and sticks. I mean i i don't have a specific dollar amount in my mind but given the the the scope of the environmental damage to the united states and the the world we should be talking about hundreds of millions of dollars not tens of millions of <hes> dollars and we should also be making it clear to the brazilians that if they they don't get serious about this and stop blaming the wildfires on environmental action groups <hes> that the nature of our economic insecurity relationship with brazil is is going to have to change as well <hes> you know we have a number of different programs <hes> through the appropriations process in which we support brazil <hes> and if they're gonna let these these fires burned and they're going to continue to deforest the amazon <hes> then i think we have to rethink whether we want to sort of be in this kind of business i think one of the most important levers we have is this free trade agreement because you know both narrow understands that his trade agreement with europe maybe on the rocks and he's telling people publicly and privately that he doesn't really worried about that because he's gonna get a trade agreement from the united states well. Let's make it clear that that's not gonna happen if they don't get serious about deforestation and you can't get a trade agreement without democrats rest so i i think we need to be using the appropriations process through carrots and sticks and making it clear that there's trade agreement with brazil <hes> if there isn't some serious progress made on the fires and on the broader attack on the amazon has come from the brazilian administration and finally senator murphy news today. Hey that your colleague senator. Isaac sin of georgia is going to be leaving the senate resigning at the end of two thousand nineteen citing a range of health considerations. This puts both of georgia's senate senate seats on on the ballot in twenty twenty. <hes> you've talked up your party's prospects of a takeover of the chamber in two thousand twenty. What does is this due to those calculations. How critical do you think it will be for democrats to make a run and cat capturing at least one of the two senate seats in the state of georgia well <hes> that's actually the first i've heard of that. I've been on the road all morning and my initial reaction is one of sorrow. Johnny isaacson is a is a throwback <hes> <hes> he and i you know have worked. He's one of the republicans who <hes> you know is really willing to you know reach out across the aisle. He's not a sort rhetorical bomb thrower. He's you know one of the folks who you know. Occasionally helps make the place work and so well. I certainly relish the prospect that we might be able to pick up a seat in the senate. <hes> as we lose the senators who you know often <hes> served to calm down the rhetoric and the tensions in the building elving <hes> that makes me a little bit sad but you know georgia's clearly a place that is changing very quickly witness <hes> lucy macbeth <hes> a <music> a mother of the gun control movement whose son was killed <hes> in a shooting who ended up winning a seat that had been controlled by republicans for decades and decades. She's a representation of you know how georgia has changed very quickly and we certainly have some really important opportunities there but i'm frankly sorry. Johnny is is leaving. He's had some real health concerns that he's been dealing with but <hes> as republicans go <hes>. He's been a pretty darn good senator. How badly would you like stacey abrams to jump into that racist racist. It's the name on the democrats. I know i know she's got some really important projects going on but <hes> you know we we would <hes> we'd have a great shot at winning <hes> either one of those seats of states. His name was <hes> on the ballot. We got a couple of other interesting candidates there. Including a former son of connecticut <hes> matt lieberman <hes> <hes> joe lieberman son is interested in <hes> one of those senate seats and i haven't closely tracked at race. That's certainly an interesting name to watch a big name. In connecticut politics indeed senator christopher feed democrat from connecticut. Thanks for joining appreciate it. Thanks so maryalice. I think on this gun issue. The wildcard is we know is the president i think you heard senator. Murphy acknowledged that that even having the conversations that <hes> it doesn't guarantee not anything and no one really knows where his head is at and he remains the biggest factor as to whether this happens you know lot has happened in the news in the last couple of weeks always happens in these news environments <hes> i just i wonder how much the focus will return to this after labor day <hes> given that other things have happened in the news chair in this part of the reason we've seen republicans so often hesitant to back any piece of legislation. They don't wanna look on the hook for something that the president twenty four hours later is going to tweet he doesn't like but i was fascinated by the fact that <hes> the senator there said that conversations with the white house are continuing quote as we speak considering how the president's been all over the map on this issue at his rallies when he's talking to reporters the idea that white house staff is still engaging on it is interesting and and i understand why he's a sticking with his fight and one last word before we go about <hes> about debates we are sitting here on wednesday which is the deadline for polling to qualify candidates for the debate as of are speaking now. There are ten candidates who have qualified in maryalice. You've been talking to a lot of campaigns. What's what is the bottom line about how important it is to qualify for for this debate in september and then the subsequent wait in october. We've already seen candidates begin to drop out. The winnowing has begun <hes>. This is a pretty major marking point now absolutely especially especially for those candidates at frankly weren't that close. I think they are going to feel a lot of pressure to bow out gracefully at this moment. What tricky though is that there are few candidates and it's who are pretty close and the benchmark stay the same for this september debate and the october debate so i can imagine that some of those candidates who are close who are on the cusp who've been actively petitioning the d._n._c. forest bought on that stage. I imagined that they will actually feel pressure from their supporters to stick it out and maybe earn a spot in october and shameless plug. It won't be the you won't be the last of these shameless that debate will be two weeks from now september twelfth on a._b._c. news and on univision and we will be down there in houston to cover all of it. Thank you to maryalice. Thank you also to rachel scott for sharing some perspectives with us today. Thank you to the entire team. Angie yack trevor hastings the man behind the controls avery miller back at the rim in d._c. Thanks for listening. We'll be back next week with another addition of powerhouse politics are are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash powerhouse. That's indeed dot com slash powerhouse.

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"Trump isn't just the president. He's also a client": Chris Hayes on use of unproven COVID-19 drug

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"Trump isn't just the president. He's also a client": Chris Hayes on use of unproven COVID-19 drug

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Spurning help from the rest of the World Senator Chris Murphy and Steve Schmidt will be here that the high stakes gamble a reopening early and the Florida government officials who says she was ousted for refusing to manipulate the data. Plus a guide to summer distancing. It's so nice. Can we go outside if we're safe about it? And all in twenty twenty why Joe Biden is about to make the most consequential vice presidential pick in American history when all in starts right now good evening from New York. I'm Chris. Hayes said yesterday that he was taking that anti malarial drug hydrochloric win the drug. He trump T- buddies have been touting during the pandemic magic pill. I thought maybe it was just him. Lie I happen to be taken it. I happen to be taken her direction. Jenkin Hydroxy record right now. A couple of weeks ago started taking it. Because I think it's a lot of good stories I mean funny. Make the thing is you never know if trump's telling the truth usually safe to assume he's not and maybe this is just part of the Sales Job. I when I heard it. I immediately thought of that old one thousand nine hundred commercial for the hair club for men or the guy is not just the president but he is also a client. These men are actual clients not models. The men like you would discover that you don't need drugs or chemicals surgery. Miracles to have a full out of hair they get all the facts free and without obligation. Just call toll free number now and I'll send you a new booklet and remember. I'm not only the hiccup president but I'm also a client. I'm not just the president but I'm also a client. I thought maybe trump was vouching for it. But was he really taking it? So then we got some substantive reporting that really does make me think he is taking the struggle to try to ward off the virus even though is not recommended by his own government agencies. You'll remember. It was almost two weeks ago. When the president's Personal Valet the guy that brings him his diet cokes tested positive for the virus that was then followed by another White House staffer. Mike Pence's press secretary who also tested positive and I think it's fair to say those. Two cases clearly freaked him out yesterday. The president's personal physician released this weird doctor's note saying that after those positive tests and I quote here we concluded the potential benefit from outweighed the relative risks. That'd be clear. This is a hilariously equivocal document. It does not actually flat out. Say Trump is taking the drug. It seems to suggest that he is today. The White House confirmed that yes. Trump is taking it again as with everything in this White House and this guy who knows for sure but the line does matchup and assuming it's true I come to believe this is probably true. The president is taking this drug off label prophylactically against the advice of his own government agencies. That are tasked with you. Know figuring this stuff out it was less than a month ago that the FDA warned of heart problems from taking the drugs specifically abnormalities in Heart. Rhythm folks on trump TV said what the president was doing was not. You are in risky population here. And you were taking this as a preventative treatment to ward off the virus or in a worse case scenario you're dealing with the virus and you are in this vulnerable population. It will kill you. I cannot stress enough. This will kill you. The president has been obsessively hawking hydroxy chloroquine like he is a salesman for it and and you know we should be clear here. There was some early studies chefs. It was promising later. Data has called that question. It's still sort of an open question. Although I think the bulk of evidence leaning towards no but the president has been on this one beginning at first question was what is the angle here? Why is obsessed with this? Some people jumped on the fact that trump has a very small personal financial interest in the company. That makes it brand name version of the drug. But it's a pretty small interest. It's fairly attenuated. In the notion that this was all being driven by that financial game didn't quite make a lot of sense to me. More compelling was ousted vaccine expert. Dr Rick Bright suggestion. The administration was pushing a drug to benefit. Politically connected allies. So that also might be true. That's what Dr Bright says but it always just impossible that fundamentally the reason was that trump just believed his own S. Here's a guy who has been pumping conservative media into his brain for a decade or two at least and that entire universe runs on advertisements for magic pills and supplements that will cure all your ills. Let me say that I have never before endorsed a pain reliever. But when Pete and Seth Talbot the Father and Son Owners of relief factor asked me to endorse that one hundred percent drugs-free product. I absolutely couldn't say no. I sister started taking college. She noticed her hair. Her hair got thicker. Her nails got stronger. Some of the fine lines skins. You noticed changes in her appearance. You know you that those powders do anybody have you. Had anybody have bad reaction to them as a pretty benign never? Had anybody have a bad reaction? Your genetic flies seeming that we all have them. They can actually be cured with a vitamin. It seems that way. I want you to get the ultimate Krill oil. I want you to give as obese. I want you to get DNA force. Plus I want you to experience X. to I want you to get real redfield and real red pill. Plus they're all in stock right now and they're thirty to sixty percent off. We could've made that monologue montage eight hours long. Oh and by the way. Trump himself actually started a vitamin company. That of course went bust which offered a urine test or recommend recommend customized nutritional supplements one doctor called its claims and I quote here quite insane. The notion of the president is taking. This drug speaks not only to pass but also to the way he has gone about this entire catastrophe. More broadly from the beginning always always looking for some magic bullet for some easy solution. The Magic Pill Wash Post reported last month that Fox host Laura Ingram and two doctors who were regular guests in what she does. Her Medicine Cabinet visited the White House for a private meeting with trump to talk up the drug and he loved it he was sold. He took advice of Laura Ingraham's medicine cabinet over his own government's medical experts. The depressing reality here appears to be this that this isn't some twelve dimensional chess. It's not even some corrupt angle. He's working the president literally thinks there is some secret magic solution. Donald trump is his own mark. He is the president and literally also client. He used the Corona Virus. Not as a extremely complicated and difficult problem that requires marshalling together. Huge spectrum of expertise and knowledge to weigh and balance risks and replica ability and controlled studies and safety and efficacy and all that stuff no he thinks he be waved away or it could be denied will go away like a miracle or just pilled away. There's gotTa be some easy solution out there somewhere. And when an actual real scientists like Dr Bryce to stand in the way the administration flooding states with this magic pill gets rid of them and so at this point when the whole world is figuring out what to do. Now what do we do now? Having absorbed much of the first wave of the pandemic and it's death and illness and bizzare economic ruin and the world hellenization others are exchanging information and research and their international examples to draw from all sorts of experts with different views on this chewing through these difficult questions. We are being led by the guy who wants a magic pill to solve all our problems for more on the corona virus conversation that is happening without the United States. I'm joined by Senator Chris Murphy Democrat of Connecticut. This is the thing senator that I'm most worried about. Is that in some ways. We've made a lot of progress. Insofar as if you look at the trends nationally we are not like climbing up some huge epidemic curve. There's some worrying signs in certain places but in other ways it just seems that we're sort of as unprepared for whatever comes now with the exception of increased testing capacity as we was with two months ago and the danger here is we reopen. Is that you risk throwing lambs to the wolves. Because we have made this progress by social distancing essentially keeping ourselves away from situations in which we could get infected and now as we all reemerge from our homes as we start to congregate and businesses and restaurants. There are going to literally millions of people who had no chance to catch the virus you now can and you know what is so maddening. Is that this administration could have used this time to work with states to invest in the kind of systems that can jump on outbreaks when they start and they are going to inevitably start to pop up all around the country and we know exactly how to control them but instead of helping. Us build those systems these testing tracing and quarantine systems the administration has sort of sat back and essentially prevented the CDC from working with us in any meaningful way and stood in the way of efforts to try to fund those systems. So it's a really dangerous moment. I think states need to start reopening but it makes me incredibly nervous that we don't have a president and he seems to understand or care about what his role is with. The federal government's role is now to make sure that this doesn't very quickly boomerang back in the wrong direction. You said his federal government part of what so profoundly bizarre about this moment and has been true for much of the trump administration is his alien nation from his own administration. He's alienated from the government. The guy has at his disposal. Hundreds of experts on every topic in the world that you could call up and learn something from but he wants to talk. Laura Ingram and her on air doctors about like the Malaria Drug and then today his own. Va did a study of the efficacy. Not because they wanted to bring down the president because it was important to find out and they found that was not efficacious and actually created some risk and this is his reaction he says the only negative. I've heard was a study where they gave it was the va with people that are big trump fans gave it. He is incapable viewing any of this as anything other than some conspiracy against him as a push like an actual objective reality that exists out in the world that we're trying to grasp this is always been perceived by the president as a political problem from the very beginning when he refused to bring on board from this cruise ship a bunch of individuals who positive because he worried it would make us look bad by driving up the numbers. This has been nothing but a political problem to him from the beginning. But I mean there are lots of good people in government and the federal government. Today who want to solve this problem. He is also surrounded by people in the White House. And at the top of these agencies who have spent their lifetime trying to destroy go from it I'm trying to undermine the credibility of government and so yeah. The president hasn't been and trying to marshal resources of the federal government to help us but he also has put a whole bunch of people in place people who come from the Orthodoxy of the Republican Party who have spent a long time rooting for government to fail the exact worst people to be in senior positions at a moment like this president declined to participate in the World Health Organization summit yesterday and there have been criticisms of how the WHO handled things particularly of the way it is sort of handled. It's it's conversation and communication with China and some of those criticisms are quite legitimate. I think you would agree. There was a little bit of capture. That happened early on but what is clear is at this point like this is happening in the world everywhere. You know half the world's on lockdown everyone's working on the same problem it does seem like if there's ever a time to cooperate and to learn from other people. This is the time to do it for two reasons one. Because you can't stop the virus anywhere unless you stop it. Everywhere we know is that walls and travel bans. Don't work and so we've got to be part of a global effort here because even if we do significantly turned the corner in the United States if it still exists in Africa or in Brazil we are still at risk and then we have to develop a vaccine and right now we are not part of the Global Organizations. That are working on the vaccine. That means if we don't find it. I if one of those global organizations does. We don't have a seat at the table to make sure that we get our share of it and then you're right that the WHO was too cozy with China in those early days but nobody was cozier with China in January and February then Donald Trump. He was the chief apologist for China's early a reaction to the virus and frankly is kind of hard to understand how the WHO would have come out and contradicted. Donald trump in January and February because the United States is chief patron the. Who's biggest donor? So we have to remember that nothing. Who was saying was as friendly and has apologised as the things that Donald Trump was saying about China. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut who is in Washington. Dc where Senate is in session Let's talk about what is or isn't going on their next time. You're on thanks for right joining me now for more on the lack of leadership which is putting it mildly coming from the White House former Republican. Strategist Steve Schmidt. Steve I wanNA talk to you because I I keep thinking about this piece of that writer. Nate Alex Corinne wrote a few years ago. We basically made this case. He made he said basically for a long time conservative media had sort of echelons there was talk radio and other things for the base and that was there was a lot of conspiratorial stuff. There's a lot of hawking of supplements and things like that and then there was a kind of like elites who who consumed other stuff. They read the newspaper variety of newspapers. And then at a certain point like the people who only consumed the universe of writing media actually became the decision makers they became the people running for office they became the people elected president. And then this is what you end up with when that happens. Well Chris puddle insanity for sure and when we look at the whole spectrum of the nonsense that's communicated to the American people through the vast and sophisticated trump propaganda that were heavily influenced by misinformation. That's intended to divide. The American people put into the social media sphere by hostile foreign intelligence services. It's a real threat to the comedy in our country. And so we've seen all of this play out over the course of this pandemic we've seen the president of the United States standing behind the podium with blazoned with the seal of the president say saying inject disinfectants saying that. I'm taking this malaria drive. That could kill him over and over and over again. The American people have been subjected to wave after wave idiocy of ADS amenity of misinformation from the president of the United States. What it all adds up to is the most inapt any competent response to a crisis. That's conceivable to imagine is it? This is the worst response by an American leader. Certainly by a president but by any American leader at a time of testing crisis in our nation's history. It's appallingly bad and so as we talk right now more. Americans will be dead by the Dawn. Were approaching one thousand data events because of the AB jacked incompetent mishandling of this by Donald Trump. It when you sit there and you look at Alex Jones and you look at Laura Ingram and Judge Janine and all of them I mean each and every one is in their own rights. Tackler Lee knots as they go on and they talk about this stuff and that there are vulnerable people out there watching these people make five ten fifteen twenty thirty million dollars year following their advice endangering themselves is just tragic a lethal con in fraud. That's perpetrated by people on the American people just not a word for it just despicable. But here's the thing I I agree with much of that. But what is even more mind-blowing to me and in some ways more depressing and more sort of a desperate situation is that the Koran includes the president like he believes the con- The he thinks he watches a bunch of people on trump. Tv. This drug is. It's it's a miracle and they don't want you to have it and all the liberal people are out to get you so you should take and he's actually taking it because like he's a mark for this stuff too and that's the guy this country well absolutely what. Donald trump is many things. He's dishonest. He's lied to the American people. More than seventeen thousand times. He completely corrupt he's in decent. He's vile he's divisive but in this moment the thing that matters most and I don't say this to name call. But he's an imbecile. There's no other word for it. That's the precise word we use in the English language to describe his comportment to describe his behavior most powerful person in the world who told the American people when there were fifteen cases that this would be gone it would disappear like it was magic told the American people that the Chinese government was on top of this cold. The American people the way deal with this maybe Bhai injecting or consuming disinfectants. Every day has been the achievement of new stratosphere of just abject idiocy flowing out from the White House so it's the mismanagement of the crisis going on we see the continual salt on our democratic institutions the undermining of the rule of law institutionalization of the corruption of this administration or the Attorney General the firing of the inspector generals and on and on it goes this our country Chris. The most powerful country in the world supposedly economically militarily. We are a basket case. We are at the center of this. You have more likelihood of dying this virus United States than any place else. You have more likelihood of catching it in the United States than any place else. You have more likelihood of not being able to get a test for it any place else. And so when we look at the totality of it the mismanagement incompetence so bad that there's no comparison to in the whole of American history and what we have is ninety plus thousand dead Americans in early shatter economy at a president who every day the liberally misinforms spans lies to the American people with one objective in mind. The Guy will say anything if he believes it will help his reelection. The fundamental problem for Donald Trump is demand set. I alone can fix it. I'M GONNA make America. Great again has presided over a period of suffering out the mass. Daf of disease in economic devastation. The whites this country has never ever seen in the entirety of its history. Last part is pretty unquestionably true. At this point Steve Schmidt thank you so much. Thank you Chris. Next has more states plan for partial reopenings this week. A look at what happened in their states that opened early without meeting the standards the result of that high risk gamble after this. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with New York Times Education reporter Dana Goldstein about what it means for country. When fifty five million children home from school we started looking at the Times right off. The Bat became clear that in some cities like Cleveland. Ohio like Los Angeles. There was about fifteen to twenty percent of kids that were lost to schools. And what I mean by that is. It's not just that they were signing on to these video chats with teachers or lessons and not submitting work. They were actually not in contacted all so. The teachers and the administrators sometimes social workers or bilingual support staff. That can speak that families home. Language are trying to reach out and they cannot find where these kids are. That's this week. I'm why is this happening? Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. Hey everyone it's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America. The Nation's airlines are in the fight of their lives. They've lost more than ninety percent of their passengers and are on track to lose tens of billions of dollars in revenue this year. All because of Corona Virus Dr Schaffner at Vanderbilt University who's one of the top infectious disease experts in the country. Said you should not lie. That's the bottom line because it is in his words. The exact kind of environment that the corona virus wants to spread still. Many people need and want to fly so today we talked to. Nbc's air and space expert. Tom Costello about the outlook for the airlines. And were flying. Could look like even after the worst is over search for into America. Wherever you're listening right now it's subscribe. We've been covering the higher strategy. A lot of states are pursuing which is to open before they reached the standards set by the trump administration's own. Cdc those are just crossing their fingers and hoping for the best the folks have covert Xtra Dot Org. Has this great map to kind of visualize it. All the states. Easy here in red have not met the gaming criteria which the site describes the data driven conditions each should satisfy before proceeding to a phased opening set by the White House. Okay not some liberals on TV. Those conditions include a sustained reduction in symptoms cases health system readiness and increased testing capacity. Now nearly all those red states are in some stage of reopening without meeting those conditions and some real legitimate ongoing outbreaks. I mean take a look at the data from Arkansas. They're fourteen day trend in positive. Cova cases is up one hundred two percent which is great. That's a four point eight percent and increasing positive test rate. That's a key thing to look at the North Dakota. They're fifty percent in positive cases over the past fourteen days and also increasing and their positive test rate is four point three percent and increasing also increasing positive test rate. Men's even if they're doing more testing they're also finding more cases here's Alabama positive cases up thirty percent over fourteen days and increasing seven point five percent of tests are coming up positive there and that number also increasing again all states. That have decided. You know what we're opening hopefully won't become a disaster and leg. I've been saying there's two big danger right. One one danger is that states are sending a behavioral message to people that were back to normal which we really can't be if we want to avoid the worst case scenario right otherwise you end up with scenes like this in Texas Hafer. Several weeks of being stuck inside thousands of blocks ball of the peninsula to make the most of their time while acorns golds topless weekend. What's better than beats drinks? And teas that does literally sound great but probably not agree idea without masks and precautions and people sort of staying away from each other which seem like folks were the other danger with what some of the states are doing. Here I think is that they send a message right throughout the government that they don't want to hear bad news that they start kind of hedging the data tapping it down suppressing at hiding it that is the original sin of Corona virus response starting in China. It appears to be maybe repeating itself in Florida where the architect manager that States Cova Nineteen Dashboard. A site that made all sorts of different metrics public and easily successful accessible says. She was forced to resign after she objected. To in order to delete data for more on this I'm joined now by Jennifer new so and epidemiologists leading the Johns Hopkins Cove in nineteen testing insights initiative. Jennifer I WANNA start on this on this sort of data question because I I think it's pretty key even if it feels dry which is from the beginning we've seen governments who have suppressed the data who have avoided the data who have fudged the data who've gotten bad data because they don't want don't WanNa to believe it's that bad and what ends up happening usually is that the virus doesn't care and it comes at you. How worried are you? How confident are you in the state of the data that states have and that they're using to make their decisions off of yeah? I am particularly concerned about data. I mean listen. This is a hard job. The states are trying to stand up surveillance systems in the midst of crisis. So I WANNA give some credit there that this is a difficult task nonetheless. I think there are a number of ways to improve the data. That states are collecting and showing and this is absolutely critical for boosting public confidence. And you know if the goal here is to bring the economy back. Public confidence is central to that and the way that we can boost public confidence through more complete data reporting in greater transparency and to have everybody believed the numbers. So we've got. We've got different categories of states. That are in different different situations in terms of their epidemic curve different situations in terms of their testing positive cases on different stages reopening but the three big ones that have been pointed to Georgia Texas and Florida. They're all states where they're out ahead of what the CDC recommendations are Georgia particularly. There was a sort of. Is this GONNA lead to a huge spike? Georgia has not seen some enormous spike. Even Texas has had rising cases. What what is your assessment of where we are in our knowledge of what the cause and effect are in terms of these states. Right won't takes the time for the data. That states are tracking to change so there could very well be An effect of reopening too soon. That just isn't showing up in the data early particularly in States. That aren't doing widespread testing. If they're not testing enough in those states where you talked about. The percentage of tests that are positive if you states where the percentage of positive tests are high or worse increasing that means that they are not casting a wide net to find cases and it will take time for the case numbers to eventually change. And so when you talk about states reopening the data that they may look to the things like case numbers or You know people that are hospitalized. In intensive care those are pretty late. data streams that. Take a while to change is really. We WanNA look earlier to know that once. They're reopened that. There is a problem emerging and that they need to change course and one of my deep concerns in a number of the safe that are reopening is that they haven't yet developed the public health capacities that bill need to keep their case numbers low so once they test and they find a case. They need to isolate those cases. So they don't transmit their infection to other people they need to figure out who those evil may have exposed before they became known as a case and monitor them. It's called contact. Tracing takes a lot of resources to do contact tracing well and frankly very few states have a mass capacity to do it and unless they have those things in place they're gonna see those case numbers go right back up eventually. It seems to me like there's a little bit of a question. About what what we're aiming for policy-wise an and I think this I've been thinking about this way. Which has been I think. Clarifying is the goal open as much of your economy as you can while avoiding. New York style. Massive outbreak that leads thousands dead in the hospital system overwhelmed melted down or is the goal open as much as you can while minimizing death as much as possible and it seems to me a little bit when you look at places like Georgia and Texas and Florida and the kind of conversation during the White House. It's more the former like there's a certain amount that we're just willing to say there's going to be cases there's GonNa be some transmission. We're not going to press the virus. There's going to be some deaths but we gotta get back out there as opposed to. Let's try to beat this thing right so I mean first of all we absolutely want to minimize staff and also. We don't want our health system to become overwhelmed and that's really where we were at the beginning of all this we were seeing case. Numbers accelerating so quickly that we were worried. That health systems would be overwhelmed. We talk about you know. Should we reopen the economy or except in public health impacts like deaths or overwhelmed health system that paints those two things as being at odds with each other when in reality is if you want to reopen the economy? People need to feel safe. They need to feel that going out to the businesses that you're trying to open won't make them sick or their family sick. They don't bring an infection home to vulnerable relative. And they certainly don't WanNa die or wind up in the hospital Jennifer nozoe of Johns Hopkins. University's doing great work on this. Thank you so much for sharing your time with US tonight. Thanks for having me coming up much of the country's been stuck inside for months. The weather's getting pretty nice out there so big question right now is. Is it safe to go outside to go to the park for Jug? Hang out on the you know arc bench but we know about the potential risks. Next Spring. The weather is nice. Everyone wants to go outside. But how safe is it for all of us to be outside around each other? It's a complicated question. Estates begin to reopen. People looked to get some semblance of normal here. Not a answer. That question is Tara. Parker Pope Founding Editor York Times well section which focuses on consumer health and fittingly related. Article is titled. What we know. About your of catching the virus out doors Tara. I really like this piece and I know it's something a lot of us have been thinking a lot about particularly the weather gets nicer. What start with the sort of what we know about the virus and transmissibility. This really jumped out to me from your article. China did very intense studying contact. Tracing among our seven thousand three hundred and twenty four identified cases in China was sufficient descriptions only one outdoor outbreak involving two cases occurred a twenty seven year. Old Man had a conversation outdoors with an individual who had returned from Wuhan on the twenty fifth of January had the onset and sitting on February. One those look like pretty good odds. What did you learn in your reporting yeah? I think there's a lot of consensus that being outside is very safe. It's it's it's good for us right to get fresh air to get. I mean that's important but the in terms of the transmission of the virus in the risk of catching the virus outdoors is really a safe place to be. If you take precautions if you social distance if you wash your hands if you wear a mask I think we can have all have a pretty good summer and spend time outside and feel so pretty confident but we can't think that were You know that there's no risk outside. I think that study tells us that it can happen. But there's lots of reasons why it's it's not going to happen if he if you take the right precautions right so one of the things here right is about like the idea of the viral load like how much virus a person's getting and transmission and over time how they're being exposed and we've seen a lot of examples of you know people in buses in China or in restaurants where in a call center South Korea next to each other sustained contact periods of time churches. A church in Arkansas. That says the did a study about all of these are like pretty close to each other. Same time lots of our load internal air H fax systems and all of that is basically lacking usually in outdoor settings is sort of what I got from the article right. That's right where you don't WanNa be is in close confined space with other people for long periods of time. I mean it is. It's about the the the length of exposure. It's about how much elation you've got an outdoors is obviously. There's when there's fresh air you can have. You can pull away from people and keep your distance. The problem is when we see people start to gather in large groups outside because then it's very difficult feet away. You still need to keep your distance but you know the wind and the sun it all has an effect and it really You know it disperses the virus it if you did come into contact with the person six feet away from you coughs outside by the time knows droplets get near you. They're going to be pretty. Well dispersed. It's if you are exposed. It's going to be a very small amount even better if you have a mashed on even better if the person who caused even better if the person who call at a mask on so we still need to be careful. But I feel pretty safe when I'm outside. You know I take all the precautions but I feel like we can. We can go outside. We could be healthy. We can exercise. We can let kids run around. There's all sorts of things we can do to stay safe. This summer. Masks I think are are key and some physical distance. I think the idea of if you're at a huge protest big concert anything where you're going to be like next to a lot of people for sustained period of time outdoors seems like wildly wildly risky at I. Would you know I'm not a scientist? But my read on the data is you definitely shouldn't do that. But there's this one stumbling block that I thought was really interesting. When we think about government's policy this is from the Washington Post and said the need to go is a big barrier going out why public bathrooms are stumbling block reopening and it just made this obvious point that. I hadn't thought of which is right like you think about the beach. You think well if you open the beaches there's a lot of space on the beach and maybe you could put cones out so people stay away from each other but like the bathrooms showers areas. Anything that you have as an outdoor utility for folks to use that then becomes a totally different question from the risk perspective. It really does. It's a confined space. A lot of people are there. There's some suggestion that a flushing toilet can aerosolize virus If I I would not go public restroom but if I had no choice I would wear a mask. I would just wash hands. I would get out of there very quickly again. It's duration of exposure. We know particles can hang in the air for about thirty minutes in the real world. We think So there's definitely some risk but it's not a public restroom is not where I would want to be so. I don't know how you solve that problem even when we're talking about having with grandparents outside one kid has to go to the bathroom with the grandparent has to go to the bathroom than you have to deal with that issue and I think the only is masking and hygiene ten hygiene the that. That is an issue that every the we've encountered I mean people. It's like you're outside. You're listening then. The bathroom question does arise. It's going to be something to navigate the summer for people. Tara Parker Pope is a great piece. Thank you so much for joining us. Happy to be here ahead. The biggest decision the Biden campaign has to make so far who will be his. Running mate by the stakes are even higher than usual versus VP. Pick one new surprise name in the running. I mean we have covered on this program. You've probably seen some discussion about the Swedish model for dealing with Corona virus. Sweden chose not to completely lockdown. They didn't close schools. And although they have seen significantly diminish mobility people are doing some version of caution. They haven't been under the kind of situation. We all have in a lot of the other place in the world. Places like Florida have held up Sweden as an example to follow Kentucky. Senator Rand Paul even touted it when Dr Anthony. Fauci testified before the Senate we need to observe with an open mind and what went on in Sweden. Where the kids going to school? The mortality per capita in Sweden is actually less than France less than Italy less than saying less than Belgium less than the Netherlands about the same Switzerland but basically. I don't think there's anybody arguing that what happened. Sweden is an unacceptable result. I think people are intrigued by it. And we should be so the data on Sweden whether it's an unacceptable result or not has been has been kind of split but the picture over time getting clearer and clearer last week. Sweden had the highest. Kobe deaths per capita any nation in Europe even higher than the UK been particularly hard. Hit when you compare it to its Scandinavian neighbours which is probably the most apples to apples. Comparison it really jumps out at you. I mean thirty. Six point thirty one compared over five four nine. I mean whether intentionally or not Sweden is conducting a trade off. They have accepted a lot more of their fellow citizens dying so for those touting their some possible win win on the offing and Sweden. That you don't have to hurt our economy and you can escape. The worst virus does not look that way. Selection of a vice president is always a big deal both on political grounds and on substantive grounds. But it's hard to think of a time when it's been as important as this. Joe Biden is seventy seven years old. If he wins he would be creating the kind of defacto future of the Democratic Party in that one decision right that person his running mate. The vice president's states would become the kind of future leader almost immediately. Lots of people made the point that given the stakes of the election and also the demographics of the Democratic Party the coalition politics a woman of color should be focal point for the search polls reprising journalists and opinion writer for the Washington Post Jonathan Kaye. Part just wrote an opinion piece about four women worthy of Bryce presidential speculation and he joins me now John. What's your what's your sort of case for thinking about this as as surf. That should be focused a black woman. So I'm using a numerical case that this isn't just a case of sort of racial pride. This is a case made on numbers based on the drop in the African American vote from Twenty twelve to twenty sixteen and how that was decisive. In some races take Michigan for example Donald Trump lags was a hillary Clinton lost that state by ten thousand seven hundred and something votes but the Detroit Free Press reported later on November Twenty. Sixteen that Hillary Clinton won fifty thousand fewer votes out of Detroit than President. Obama dated his reelection in two thousand twelve. That's just one example. The National African American turnout in two thousand sixteen fell for the first time in a presidential election in twenty years from sixty six percent. African American turnout in two thousand twelve to fifty nine point six percent turnout in two thousand sixteen and then Black Women. It was also it was also bad. Black Women are fine by my notes here. In Two thousand twelve. Seventy four percent of African American women came out to vote in two thousand sixteen sixty six percent and so we're talking about slim margins here but we as we saw in two thousand sixteen if you eke out voters who are staying. Who just decided. They're not they're not excited. They're not into the ticket. They're not into the candidate. They say home. Democrats lose and we've seen in the reverse after twenty six to president trump's election when African American voters are motivated and they get out and vote Senator Democrats Win Senate seats in Alabama. They went governorships in Virginia. And they retake the House of Representatives as they did in two thousand eighteen. Yeah the argument of the base of math I think is is quite compelling particularly that drop off the sort of drop off African American voters between thousand twelve and two thousand sixteen what it meant particularly Electoral College. Wise particularly in states like Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania. There were four four by the way I should also note that sometimes this gets lost. The conversation like seventy four percent turnout for African. American women are sixty six percent which was the lower number is still extremely high right. It's not like this is a constituency that's voting at low levels and I don't want to give people that impression. It's all about these sort of marginal changes in the four women. That you that you sort of wrote about so. The four women talked about our stacey. Abrams the former gubernatorial candidate in Georgia. Congressman vowed demings of Florida. Senator Carl Harris of California ran for the Democratic nomination in as you see there. Susan Rice the former national security adviser former United States ambassador to to the United Nations. Those are the four who are most talked about and there are all their talked about it for different reasons Susan Rice has talked about because she's the one who takes it right to president trump in his his failure in the Corona Virus Comma Harris's. Someone people have been talking about in terms of president or vice president since before she your launched her campaign for for Twenty Twenty Democratic nomination congresswoman. Val demings people are talking about her ever since she became an impeachment manager. In as someone who is on the House Judiciary Committee and the House Intelligence Committee and as an impeachment manager she has had a front row seat and also as the first African First Black woman the first woman I should say the Orlando Police chief. She's someone who people look and say. Wow this black woman is. They're prosecuting the case against the president of the United States. And then you have Stacey Abrams who just narrowly lost the gubernatorial election in Georgia. By some fifty five thousand votes memory serves but she was running against the former secretary. Georgia Secretary of state who is also her republican opponent but also the referee. The prison in charge of the state's elections and to me is such a fascinating figure. These are all a fascinating women in their own sort of way Abrahams because of her trajectory. After that race I mean she was such a sort of celebrated national figure. She ran such sort of incredible and impressive race outperformed any statewide Democrat. I think in the last twenty years or something like that. I mean it was really like that has been tough State for Democrats and then has kind of stayed in the game in a really interesting way. There was some talk about whether she would run for Senate. She also did a town hall with Joe Biden on our air just last week. She she she. There is something really really interesting and unbelievably compelling about Stacey Abrams just as a persona right you know. Sort of coincidentally I interviewed Stacey Abrams at the Kennedy Library in Museum. A few hours after Senator Harris dropped out of the Democratic race and I asked her right then and there would you be interested in being vice president and it was the first time she said definitively yes and made the case. We have heard her say that ever since then in every interview. She is unequivocal. Absolutely she wants to be considered for vice. President thinks she would be terrific vice president and I think the fact that she is so she's out there. She's not playing coy. She's being very clear about what what her goals are. That adds to sort of the quirky nature of this election. Sort of unprecedented nature of this election. It is really unprecedent. I do I think so much. About what the sort of I mean. That's your your point about what what the kind of political imperative in a sort of short term tactical senses but then when you think about the the scope of the crisis that likely is going to be inherited by this administration. I it's quite daunting and this choice is going to be quite consequential Jonathan Kaye part. It's always great to see you. Thank you so much joining us tonight. Secrets thank you that does it for all in you can catch every weeknight at eight o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget like us on facebook. That's FACEBOOK DOT com slash. All in with Chris.

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Why Dont Democrats Want to Run for Senate?

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18:58 min | 1 year ago

Why Dont Democrats Want to Run for Senate?

"What next is supported by Charles Schwab. What is Schwab's modern approach to investing? It's great service. It's transparency about how much you're paying fees and commissions. It's offering some of the lowest costs in the industry backed by satisfaction guarantee. If you're not satisfied for any reason, the refund the fees and work with you to make things right? So ask yourself are you getting low costs and award winning service? If not maybe it's time to call Schwab. Visit Schwab dot com forward slash comparis-. To learn more. So Jim it feels like it's getting kind of lonely in the Senate these days it is. Well, it's getting lonely both because all the senators who are there. The Democrats are running for president. And no one wants to run for any of the available seats the cycle. It's getting sad slates. Jim Newell says the US Senate has got this problem. It's not doing anything. You know? It's basically just a nomination factory. I think it was Senator Chris Murphy had democrat called her this week a lunch club, basically because they have you know, their caucus lunches three days a week. And then they go and vote on a couple of nominations, then they get out of there. Super depressing. Yeah. And but you know, what Mitch McConnell is completely fine with that too. He's like he's he's post legislation. You know, he's just processing nominations and changing the courts, and he thinks his working just great. I mean, you wrote in your article that the Senate is where fund goes to die. Yes. Never been more confident in a statement in my life. I mean, isn't this a place you go to work every day less and less because I don't want all of my fun to die. You know? Jim isn't alone. Here the people he covers feeling this way to Democrats, especially they've been struggling to convince their star politicians to run for Senate. It's a tough sell. I don't think it quite has the appeal of this great body anymore. I mean, if the opportunity is there for the taking, and there's not a whole lot of risk involved than someone will sure they'll launch US Senate run. But if there's any risk involved, you know, and if you might be giving up a house career where you build up some sun, you already or you want to throw your hat into the into the presidential contest, you might as well just because it's it's not, you know, what are you gonna do in the Senate? Today on the show with all the breathless enthusiasm for the presidential race. No one seems very interested in the Senate. Jim Newell says that has big implications for whoever does lend in the White House. I'm Mary Harris. You're listening to what next stay with us. This is brought to you by Worby Parker. They're the people who made my glasses. They also made my producers glasses where we Parker was founded with a rebellious spirit and a lofty goal to create boutique quality eyewear at a revolutionary price point. 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And when you read their quotes, it really sounds like the Democrats are like Marie condo ING themselves out of the Senate. Like the quotes are. Okay. Stacey Abrams from Georgia. She's like, well you have to want to do the job. I don't want to do the job. You look at John Hickenlooper from Colorado. He says, you know, senators don't build teams. I'm not sure that's my thing. I'm a doer. That's what gives me joy. Okay. And like Steve Bullock from Montana. I just wouldn't enjoy it. So I rolled it. It's like literally, they're just they're touching the Senate possibility. And they're like, it doesn't spark joy by. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting candor about, you know, the acknowledging how pathetic the Senate has become, you know, unless they completely blew up all the rules that block them from considering so much legislation. I think some of those are also a little, you know, self serving too because they want to run for president. Like, I was in born to be part of a Senate team. I was born to lead. That's what I should be elected president, you know, when Steve Bullock's presidential campaign. Flames out is it presumably will. And he's looking for a new job. Maybe he'll change his mind about the Senate a little bit. And the the best pitch for, you know, recruiting Democrats in the Senate is we have to stop Mitch McConnell like, you know, because he's just transforming the courts, and he is preventing any progressive legislation from even having a chance, you know, even a compromise version of it or anything, he's just not even going to consider it. That's a very strong pitch for the Senate. But you know, it's not necessarily very rewarding work given how broken it as well. Let's go through the races. You know, one by one like where are the states where Democrats have their eyes on them and are thinking of candidates to jump in like, there's Georgia for instance, where we saw Stacey Abrams have an unsuccessful bid for governor. But lots of people think wow, should make a really interesting Senator. She said, no, it's Republican David Perdue whose seat is up. Right. Yes. So tell me about that race. Why why did Democrats think he's Volna Rable will Georgia's one of the states just because of a lot of the the growth in population? A lot of people moving to the Atlanta metro area is changing demographically. I think in two thousand eighteen given how close Stacey Abrams got and also there are a couple of house races Democrats. They flipped one suburban Atlanta seat, and they almost flipped another. So it's sort of this this prophecy of Georgia turning blue twenty eighteen showed that is pretty close. You know on top of that David Purdue is a very Trumpy Senator. He he is really pretty hard line on immigration. So he. He can be bit polarizing estate. So that's where they think the opportunity is. It's just a question of is Georgia all the way there yet. Is it ready to flip the blue? Or is it still, you know, a lean Republican state where the president's gonna get his base out. David Purdue it's probably gonna run a couple points ahead of Trump in the state. So they're still out of risk involved. If you're Stacey Abrams. Do you want to have two consecutive losses on your record, especially when you don't even really want to do? The Senate job Texas is a little bit of the same story. Like, you have Republican John Cornyn news up. He's not quite as Trumpy is by understanding. But you do have Beto who is the superstar ran for Senate didn't get it. And you know, sort of looking at the same thing. Like, do I want to go for this and how how far has the state come towards flipping blue? Yeah. I mean, that's another one where Texas for ten or twenty years and saying it's going to turn blue just because again of. Events from other states and immigration changing the demographics of the state. But people didn't really think it would happen until twenty eighteen when Democrats flipped a couple of house seats again that oh got close. Granted he was running against Ted Cruz. Who is you know, in Texas, the like, the least favorite Republican Senator there is. Yeah, he's like a better person to fight against. Yeah. Yeah. He makes for very good foil. And you know, Beto I got a lot of energy going, you know, John Cornyn. I think if you just sort of railed against John Cornyn, you wouldn't sort of get people so viscerally angry as they might with Ted Cruz and Cornelius is pretty prepared for a challenge. You know, he's not sleeping on this or anything. So it would be really difficult to to knock him off. I think again if your bed. Oh, do you want to lose Ted Cruz, and then probably I won't say probably, but quite possibly lose John Cornyn as well. And then where do you go from there and your career, especially when you had all that energy in your campaign? You sort of have to strike. While the irons hot if you do want to be president. And then you have Colorado Montana and Colorado you've got Cory Gardner and in Montana. You have Steve Daines, and you these two cannon potential candidates. You have John Hickenlooper and Steve Bullock who are both running for president. Right. Right. Why? You know, I do theoretically know why because they think it's wide open. They think that Joe Biden, you know, who's sort of occupying whatever moderate lane, they're looking at in case that white guy goes down. Like, here's another white guy. Once the giant white moderate in the room collapses. You know, then it's a free for all. And for some reason people will land on John Hickenlooper who they don't even know or rusty book. I mean, it's, you know, it's it's I don't really see what the rationale is other than a sort of egotistical politician looking around the room and sizing up the competition and thinking that oh, well, if these people are, and then I might as well be because I'm better than that. It just never seems to end. I mean in each one seems to get more absurd than the next one. I mean, one bright spot here is Mark Kelly. Who is the astronaut husband of Gabby giffords? He's running in Arizona. Right. Yes. So he's been successfully recruited is not yet. The good news story for Democrats. It is. I mean again, you have to look at the circumstances. Like Arizona is a little bit far ahead in its political transition than Georgia, Texas Christian cinema. Just won the Senate race there. Last year, and she beat Martha mcsally who was then appointed to the other vacant seat, which was John McCain seat. So she has her on a special election now. So if you're Mark Kelly, and you know, the Martha mcsally can be beat because she was literally just feet there's not much risk to it. So I could see why he would accept that invitation as it were. But the knives came out for him like as soon as he announced, right? Oh, yeah. They're out. I mean, they'll they'll be out the whole time which shows how worried Republicans are about that one. Tell me what you saw like what was the Republican response to him. Oh, will they call them? You know, Chuck Schumer's handpicked crony. I mean, they which they call every single person who's recruited, you know, Chuck Schumer's handpicked candidate who wants to do the the evil bidding of New York and San Francisco, and then you know, when Chuck Schumer fails to recruit a candidate than they say Chuck Schumer's week. No, one listens to them. You know? So I I guess they've done some polling that shows Chuck Schumer. You know, is is a a villain. Republican circles, which makes sense you talk about Chuck Schumer, which raises this issue of how this all works. Can you tell me about that for someone who doesn't know how the Senate works, and how you get an invite to run for Senate, basically or how the money rolls out to you. You talked about Chuck Schumer. I mean, what's his role here? Well, officially the recruitment process has run through the democratic senatorial campaign committee, which is is led by Catherine Cortez masto who's a Senator from Nevada but Schumer is also always involved in all of this stuff to just like on the Republican side. You know, Mitch McConnell is involved as well. So I mean, there is not like any formal process. Just Chuck Schumer gets an idea in his head of who would be good candidate. And then he personally either goes to meet someone or call someone and tries to try to persuade them to get into the race. So he's like the social chair for the Senate. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, he thinks he's I mean Chuck Schumer thinks he has the most brilliant political minds. In of all time, and he really likes getting involved in in everything. So yeah, he is definitely going to see who meets his criteria as a quality candidate. And then try to use you know, whatever sway has tried to bring them in. What's he looking for in a candidate? I think he's looking for. Well, it depends on the state, you know, but his recruits will I guess Mark Kelly. You know, he has obviously an inspiring personal story. But you know, he's also pretty centrist in a in a state that is not exactly a blue state quite yet. But in Georgia, Stacey Abrams is not a centrist. So he's he's just looking for someone who if you don't have sort of middle of the road politics for state like that you look at it, you know, enthusiasm factors and and national attention in all of that. I think Schumer's critics would say that he looks too often for the centrist lame boring person, which he's had a couple of duds who have done that. Evan bye in Indiana few years ago, Schumer recruited him to run for his old Senate seat again. And people in Indiana decided way we don't actually want. It's guy who left office to become a lobbyist with like four different lobbying jobs to represent us. So his name recognition didn't really help there or Phil Bredesen's and Tennessee last year former governor who is popular, but he was popular like ten years ago, and no one really cares anymore. Now, it's a very red state. So that didn't really work. Good question. A Republicans having the same problem. A little bit. Yeah. You know, they don't have a ton of opportunities. This time they have a really clear one in Alabama where Doug Jones is up for reelection Alabama is like the most Republican state in the country. Right. And Doug Jones. Of course, was you know, he won the special election, and it was a huge surprise, right? And so when you're expected to win a seat, then you sort of have the opposite problem, which is that there's too much enthusiasm again to the race. So you might have a very divisive primary. So, you know, they're managing that in Alabama. They're managing in Kansas. Where Chris co Bach who just lost? The governor's race is looking at running for Senate. And then some sort of very marginal chance that they have in Michigan or New Hampshire Republicans there. They haven't quite landed there recruit yet. So how long does Senate leadership have to get this done? Oh, they have plenty of time. Most filing deadlines are until early next year. So could it just be that people are just taking their time their slow walk in it some, but they're like go to number one choices. Have rejected it at least in a lot of them on the democratic side. And that's what this is. It doesn't mean that they can't find someone else. And maybe that someone surprises them like like Cory Gardner in two thousand fourteen was not Republicans number one choice. He was their number three or four choice. And he ended up winning that race and same with Joni Ernst in Iowa. So, you know, we shouldn't we shouldn't assume that Democrats are doomed because they haven't gotten Stacey Abrams, or you know, these boring governors are running for president. Instead someone could just emerge out of the blue. And may maybe that's the way it's supposed to work. You know, just don't have someone handpicked from DC and let people who are actually enthusiastic go in and make their case. But let's look at the bigger picture here. Because earlier in this interview each about the fact that like nothing really gets done in less. There's one party in control of executive and legislative. And so it just makes me wonder if they're all these people who are saying no to running for Senate if the Senate. Doesn't appeal to them? It seems too hard. I don't get to be in charge soon enough, whatever their reason, what does that mean about this twenty twenty election because even if a democrat runs away with it? I mean, if you're a democrat, are you going to be able to get anything done if you don't also have a stronger Senate, I guess the the theory is that the democrat wins comfortably over Trump. Then hopefully, there'd be enough coattails there to bring in Democratic Senate Majority. I'm not at all sold theory, yet just because I I don't know. I think the elections could be very close. And I think it just seems like before times logic. You know, where it's like. Oh, yes. So everyone will just come around as long as we win this one. Yeah. You know, I don't I'm trying to think of the last time though, there would have been that configuration for an incoming president were new president. And you hold the house, but not the Senate. It's usually the case that at least for first couple of years you bring you know, your party with you. And I think it would really force the question of what is the Senate supposed to be, you know, it's a place that's in transition right now because it's supposed to operate on consensus, the house passes all this crazy stuff. And then the Senate figures out what there's actually consensus behind then passes that but that has broken down now completely in the sort of very polarized era. So if you have a new president come in, and they can't get any of their agenda through because of Mitch McConnell. I don't know. I think it's going to really make people question our system of government in the way, it's set up. So I think you know, that would really almost be a crisis point if if we got to that situation, and we just saw a complete jamming for a first term president. I don't know what to do about it. I mean, rewrite the I'll rewrite the constitution buffet when asked me, but I don't know. Jim Newell here with the hard truths. As always thank you so much. Yup. Thank you. Jim Newell is slate sky in Washington. And that's the show. What next is hosted by me Mary Harris produced by Mary Wilson, Jason deletion and Anna Martin we had special help today from Samantha Lee. I know you listen to this show every day. But what if you could see it June eighth New York City? You can do just that what next is going to have our first live show. It's part of slate day, you can go. Get tickets at slate dot com slash slate day twenty nineteen I'm going to be interviewing comedian Wyatt. Snack and New York City public advocate Jimani Williams live onstage. Anything could happen. Trust me. 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Sept. 22 - Sen. Murphy, Sen. Toomey, Treasury Sec. Mnuchin

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Sept. 22 - Sen. Murphy, Sen. Toomey, Treasury Sec. Mnuchin

"This Sunday the president and the whistle blower. I don't know the identity of the whistle blower partisan person president trump response to reports and while he held up a deal Ukraine he was urging its president to create an investigation targeting Joe Biden. They totally appropriate conversation. It was is actually a beautiful conversation then without evidence suggests more doesn't matter what I discussed but I will say there's somebody to look into Joe Biden's statement. You should be looking at trump. Trump trump's doing this big nose beat him like a drum. I'll talk to Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Republican Senator Pat Toomey Pennsylvania plus growing tensions with Iran the administration sending troops to Saudi Arabia the president has approved the deployment of forces which will be defensive in nature as as president trump weighs military and economic responses to that attack on Saudi oil facilities the ultimate option and their options a lot less than that my guests this morning treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin and it's Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren separate themselves from the field the the rest of the candidates are unnoticed with Cory Booker saying he'll get out of ten days really can't raise enough money you gotta grow joining me for insight in analysis. NBC News White House correspondent Kristen Welker Robert custer national political reporter for the Washington Post former Democratic Congresswoman Donna Edwards and former Republican Congressman Carlos carello welcome this Sunday it's meet the press from NBC News in Washington longest running show in television history. This is chuck good Sunday morning. We're following two huge stories today both of which could have far reaching consequences at home and abroad one involves worn peace will the United States respond militarily against Iran the last week's devastating attack and Saudi Arabia's chief oil facility president trump is weighing the risks of war against the cost of appearing weak and encouraging more aggression here. The president is seen as acting conventionally in the public interest and in a manner many of us expect from a president then there's the other story that one concerns multiple reports involving a whistleblower president trump and the mixing of foreign policy with two thousand twenty politics at issue the allegation first surfaced by a whistleblower that president trump pressure Ukraine's president to create an investigation into Joe Oh by and perhaps withheld military aid as an inducement here. The president is accused of acting unconventionally in his own personal interest testing the limits the constitution again and yet. It's in a manner many of us have come to expect from this president and that's where we begin this morning with the charge that Mr trump tried to engage a foreign government to go after the Democratic candidate he sees as his chief political rival. It was totally appropriate conversation. It was actually really a beautiful conversation president trump responding to reports that he repeatedly pressed Ukraine's president in July twenty fifth phone call to work with his personal personal attorney Rudy Giuliani to investigate political rival Joe Biden. It doesn't matter what I discussed but I will say this somebody who had to look into Joe Biden statement that phone own call is part of a broader set of facts named in a secret August twelfth whistleblower complaint to the Intelligence Communities Inspector General Mr Your trump reportedly pushed Ukraine presidents Alinsky to pursue the probe of a Ukrainian gas company with links to Biden son hunter accusing Joe Biden. Pardon of a conflict of interest one single credible outlet is giving any credibility to his assertion now once in the one Giuliani denied putting pressure on Ukraine due to ask the Ukraine investigate Joe Biden. No actually I didn't vote for reversing himself and admitting it it did ask Ukraine to look into Joe by of course I did after Ukraine's new president won in a landslide in April. Mr Trump and Giuliani began pressing him to investigate the Biden's in May. I'm hearing it's a major scandal major problem very bad. Things happened and we'll see what that is. It's a case that is crying out to be investigated then in June. President President trump made it clear that if a foreign government offered him help to win in two thousand twenty he would take it if somebody called from country Norway. We have information on your Oh. I think I'd want to hear it days. After the two presidents spoke on July Twenty Fifth Giuliani met with Ukrainian official official in Spain to press again to pursue a probe of Hunter Biden right around the same time the United States froze military assistance to Ukraine prompting opting questions from lawmakers implication seems to be to the reigning president that if he does what Rudy Giuliani's asking do investigates the Biden's. Maybe he will get the money money that the president is holding back. The White House finally released the aid last week the details in the whistle blowers complaint are still unknown. President Trump's newly appointed director of National Intelligence. Joseph Maguire is refusing to release it to Congress this was about wrongdoing and the idea that at that complaint which was intended for Congress should instead end up in the White House is disturbing beyond belief. You should be looking at trump trump's doing this big nose. I'll be like a drum and is using the abuse of power and every element of the presidency to try to do something something to smear me and joining me now is Democratic Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut who actually recently met with President and Dolinsky in Ukraine Senator Murphy welcome back to meet the press morning all right so tell tell me what your conversation was like with the president because I believe you met with them before the age was released and it was during this time that the aide passed by Congress but for some reason was being held up by the administration you were telling me was this meeting in Kief save number one and what was the circumstances so I went to key in part because I had heard these concerns from my friends there that the government is Linski. Personally personally was really worried about these overtures. He was getting in particular from Rudy. Giuliani need didn't understand whether this was an official government position these requests to investigates the former vice president so I went there to make it clear to him that the worst thing that he could do for the US Ukraine relationship was to get involved in an election here in the United States I will say was interesting to me was that he dispensed with the diplomatic protocols of that meeting. As soon as we sat down at the table in the presidential palace he asked us what was going on with. Why was it being withheld? He's seemed very concerned and I think out of sorts about it and then later in the meeting thing I raised with him these overtures from the trump campaign. He gave me a very strong answer. He said they had no intention to get involved in an American election that they knew what damage it would do to to them and I left that meeting fairly confident that he understood. What did the trump administration? Tell you officially when you were trying to figure out why what what the holdup what what so the reason that was given up in particular to Senator Johnson who I was there with Ron Johnson Republican from Wisconsin Republican from Wisconsin who had talked with the president residents shortly before a visit to Kiev the reason that was given was that the president was concerned about corruption in Ukraine and he thought that the Europeans should be providing the aid eight instead of the United States. Those are the two reasons that were stated to us as we went the embassy. There didn't seem to have a really read out from the White House at all when we asked them about it. Do you have any reason to believe that the aid was suddenly released in connection with the discovery of this was floor complaint until the public. I mean the timing he's obviously incredibly suspicious. There was also pending vote in the Appropriations Committee that was going to require next year's aid to be released outside out of the discretion of the president. There are likely bunch of different explanations. Political pressure was mounting on the president from Republicans but obviously the timing of this looks really terrible terrible. I want to show you another coincidence that we noticed here. These are the departures among people that were involved in Russian and Ukraine policy decisions inside the trump administration the two top officials from deny July twenty eighth August then you have three top officials in and around the State Department or NFC. The ambassador Ukraine in May was forced out the president's Russia Adviser Field Hill resigned in June. Obviously investor Russia Jon Huntsman in August. Maybe they're all coincidences and that saying that any about anything about that timeline of all those folks that you find troubling because it's all happening at the same time that Giuliani is doing his thing and the president is doing his thing so the departure of the ambassador one of individuals on that screen was very troubling to many of us. She was a credit experience very well thought of diplomat. There seemed to be no reasons for her departure and it's one of the reasons why in May I sent a letter to the foreign relations committee in the Senate asking them to investigate these overtures that Giuliani had been making and whether one of the demands that was being made. Was this ambassador leave because perhaps the ambassador at the time was frustrating trump's campaigns efforts to try to get this new President Investigative Biden's. I want some clarity. Here is the allegation that Rudy Giuliani early on. I was trying to get this ambassador out or the Ukrainians wanted our ambassador out. I think the the worry is that it may have been amongst the trump campaign's demands I I and I think it's really important to get to the bottom of why she left under what circumstances she left and what she unwilling to do want to put up a tweet that you sent now I believe yesterday if I'm not mistaken. Don't get creative you right. Don't look for new interesting angles. This one is simple a simple as it gets if an American president gets away away with bullying foreign countries to do political bidding and we should just give up and accept our new banana republic. What's the next step well? I frankly think it matters is whether there was an explicit quid pro quo in this conversation with Zealand C. I think if an American president is asking another foreign leader to interfere in an American American election essentially what we're trying to figure out what was going on between trump and Putin then there has to be consequences for that we spend a year trying to figure you're out whether he had asked Putin to interfere. We just found out he asked Zelinski to interfere. I don't know that it matters. It's another country okay so you're saying that impeachment. Investigation should be opened up right now I made if you're in the house still you were former House member. You're you're now in the Senate. You could be a juror. I understand that but at this point sounds like you're saying this one's open this one's open and shut don't be you you just said here. Don't get creative. I think this one would be open and shut if we had more information than simply anonymous sources that newspapers papers have written on. I think the whistle blower has to come forward. I think that Republicans who claim to be national security experts need to demand that the whistleblower present himself or herself before Congress but I think if we do have evidence from this whistle blower that the president indeed tried to bully foreign power into effecting our our elections then we have to do something about it when they ain't got released. They got an additional one hundred forty million dollars. Where did that come from? Maybe an over correction action on behalf of the president so would you know where that came from now. I don't know the source of secondary funding. Did you guys appropriate this money. the president certainly has discretionary discretionary money at his available available to him. It may have come from those accounts but you have no idea and suddenly they got more aid. Do you view that. It's troubling a listen I. I think this whole time line is hard to figure out there may be someone who can tell us more about all of it and that that whistleblower individual has has to come before Congress senator to me is going to come on here right after you. We're going to be discussing some other issues but one of them is guns. It's he's pushing for mansion to me. Where are you on? This did Beto Chuck. Schumer essentially is almost pointing the finger that has set set things back asking Oh. I don't think that's true. I think Republicans who don't want to vote for a background checks. Bill are gonNA look for any excuse to do it does comments maybe their latest Hook but the fact of the matter is if Donald Trump supports a bill that expands background checks we will get sixty votes for it in the Senate. The attorney general brought up to Congress last week a fairly reasonable proposal that would expand background checks to commercial sales. There's some things I don't like about it but it's absolutely a platform for negotiation asssociation the NRA opposes it and so the critical question now is sitting on the president's desk if is he willing to take on the NRA if he is. We'll get a background checks away. You sound sound like a guy that says hey take what you can get every time you you have a chance. Don't try to let the perfect be the enemy of this on this issue. This is about life and death right. There are very few other issues that are like it and I also think that maybe what is what's most important in the long term perspective of the gun violence movement is breaking this rock-solid solid alliance between the NRA and Republicans and this may be our chance to do it. Democratic Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut. Thanks for coming on user of course and joining me now is Republican Looking Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania senator me welcome back to meet the press morning. Chuck thanks for having me as I said I invoked your name there we will get to the gun issue in a second and I wanna ask you about the top story. We've been dealing with this morning. The president has actually already commented again as he's headed down to Texas for that event with the Prime Minister of India and he is admitting that he did bring up Joe Biden in the phone call with the president of Ukraine. Does this look like a president asking for foreign assistance for his presidential prospects very hard to say Jack I don't. I don't know what the conversation was. I just told you he said the Biden I mean was that appropriate or any again. I don't I don't I don't know the to- The context I don't know what was said. Look it is not appropriate for any candidate for federal office certainly including a sitting president task for assistance from a foreign country. That's not appropriate but I don't know that that's what happened here. So you think Congress should get its hands on this whistleblower complaint as you know this is an example of recent example of cases that have gone back from the beginning of the Republic of the tension between the executive over private conversations versus Congress's obligations and responsibilities for oversight so what I think ought to happen. Here is what happens typically in these cases you get some kind of negotiated agreement whereby the administration shares what they think is not a doesn't need to be protected for national security purposes it satisfies some members of the intelligence committees and allows us to determine whether this is something that it really requires further investigation or not. I mean at this point. We don't know anything. We're getting a bunch of leaked rumors and that's all we have are you at all concerned though that aid was was delayed for as long as it was an hour and now at the same time we're finding outs there was a second track of conversation that was going on while this aid was being delayed delayed. Does that concern you enough to say you know what it is Congress's responsibility to look into this so we we should find out why that was the case now we also know that we have a president who has always been very skeptical about. US foreign aid to almost any country so there might be a reasonable explanation for this and there might be a troublesome awesome one and we should we should understand why that happened but you do think Congress should be looking into this in any way shape or form at some point that this is their job to figure out out. I mean you guys appropriated the money I would assume you'd want to figure out why it was delayed and why Rudy Giuliani may or may not have been involved with it. I certainly would want to know whether the the law was followed. Whether the president was exercising discretion he actually has and for what reasons is if there were delays I don't know the relevance of Rudy Giuliani he's not part of this administration but but we certainly should understand how the funds said Ben appropriated end up getting delivered. You think Giuliani's role has been import. Apparently the State Department set up one of the meetings that I'm not not aware of that all right. Let me move to the issue that we're discussing there at the end with Senator Murphy the last time there was a vote on your bill on mentioned to me was in two thousand fifteen sadly and you know this already. I think five of the ten deadliest mass shootings have taken place since is then Vegas Orlando Sutherland Springs El Paso Parkland. I don't have to say anything other than those names. You're very aware of it. Is this now the time you say it is is it's it's stunning to me the four year what has happened in the last four years when you look at it from that from that perspective it is stunning chuck and of course I'm making an all out effort to get our legislation passed. I will have to acknowledge that it's not clear that had mentioned to me. Ben Law that any one of those particular shootings would have been prevented. Although I think the shooting you know Desa might have been locked had had mentioned to me Ben Law but look. I think there's momentum now that we didn't have before we have Republican senators who are reconsidering the whole issue of expanding background checks commercial sales which is all we're talking about here and we've got a Republican president who's very interested in personally engaged so I don't know how this is going to turn out but I'm hopeful and I'm going to keep pushing. I WANNA put up some quotes here. It seems to me there's a whole bunch of your Republican colleagues who are essentially saying saying. I'm not gonNa tell you where I stand until the President says where he stated let me put up some of these some of these shows Roy Blunt. This does not go anywhere unless we explicitly know what the president's willing to do. You Chuck Grassley weren't going to do anything that the president isn't going to sign anyway. John Thune in the end trump is going to have to make a hard decision. You know this is a I mean you guys are playing a game of chicken here a little bit I at what point do you need to force the president's hand and pass something well. The problem is if we attempt to force what's the president's hand in pass something it might very well not pass or having the president on board would make all the difference in part of it chuck is the president has a unique bully pulpit. He can explain what this is. Expanding background checks to commercial sales is very widely supported even among gun owners and NRA members part of the problem. We've always had is the mischaracterization of the legislation. The president can uniquely cut through that make it clear what this is really about. I I think we have a collective sigh of relief from Pro Second Amendment people which I consider myself one of them and then we could pass something really meaningful. How much has has Senator Mike Bronze argument carried the day with some skeptical Republicans? He's been making an interesting case essentially for your bill not quite saying it that way but if you don't do what he calls commonsense reforms now and another five years goes by like has happened with no movement since the last time there was a vote on your legislation and that it suddenly it won't be just background checks that has popular support look. It's a strong point. I'm not sure are quite how much it's persuading people but I can tell you that number of Republican senators are open to this who were not in the past I I do think the Beta Iraq does not help things when he advertises that his real plan is to confiscate guns that that's not helpful to this conversation but the attorney general has been very constructive very helpful. The president's engaged. We've got broader interest among Republican senators than we've ever had one question on Iran. Does the president have the authority to strike Iran right now or do you believe he has to come to Congress. So first of all. I think it's extremely unlikely that we would have a unilateral strike by the United States against around and by the way the sanctions are working very very well and this next round is likely to be devastating to the Iranian economy. I do think that it's essential that we reestablished deterrents and the Iranians have been demonstrating okay recently that they don't feel very deterrent I would prefer that led by coalition probably of Arab Gulf states probably with US support and that I think the president has full authority to do as commander in chief right Senator Pat Toomey Republican from Pennsylvania much appreciate you coming on to share new sir. Thanks for having me when we come back the two big stories of the week the whistle blower and growing tensions with Iran you knew for meet the Press Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics the two thousand twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera listen for free wherever you get your podcast welcome back the panelists here former Republican Congressman Carlos Cabello of Florida Oughta former Democratic Congresswoman Donna Edwards Maryland. NBC News White House correspondent Kristen Welker and Robert Costa National Political reporter for the Washington Post and moderator of Washington Week on PBS well. The president is busy this morning on his way to Texas for what will be quite the event with Prime Minister Mody down there in Houston but as he does all the time kristen he stopped to speak with reporters and he appears to have admitted that yes indeed he brought up Joe Biden in his conversations with the president of Ukraine curious. We had a great conversation conversation I had was largely congratulatory was largely Ardsley corruption. All of the corruption faking play was largely the fact we don't want our people like vice. President Biden is done and creating all ready in the Ukraine. Nothing is done by accident Kristen welker suddenly he is admitting the Biden portion into this conversation that sounds like somebody who just reminded what he said right may have revisited the transcript the contents of the phone call. It's also moves the the needle from what he said to me in the Oval Office on Friday when I asked him if he discussed Joe Biden is a part of this conversation and he said it doesn't matter what I discussed is the president trying to push this into the headlines this story this controversial story which is unsubstantiated course the Biden campaign underscores the fact that the allegations against the former vice president have never been substantiated. There's never been any evidence of wrongdoing. The bottom line is from the president's perspective. The only way to put this story to bed is to release at least the transcript I can tell you there's a debate right now in the White House whether or not to do that. What would the implications be for national security? What message would that send to other foreign leaders? There's and would it be gray. Why until you this secretary Mnuchin who will be on a little bit It's my understanding. He's the argument right now. The twinning today is don't it sets it's about President President Robert Kosta are we being gas lit here meaning that they have tried to create this this story story line of of somehow corruption that somehow connected to biden it there had been no takers and now all of a sudden because of the links with which the president has gone on that this is actually in some way strategic they may have a political strategy at the White House but the story remains the president's conversations with the president of Ukraine so Linski this former comedian and actor. I was in the room with the landscape earlier this month and Warsaw and talking Ukrainian officials those they have felt this has been a bizarre experience for them for months. They had Rudy Giuliani coming over to talk about. Maybe having an investigation into Joe Biden this phone call with the president trump and then vice president pence went over in a meeting in Poland with us Alinsky and said you better investigate corruption in the Ukrainians have been saying to themselves. Does this mean we must investigate corruption corruption in order to get that two hundred fifty million dollars call us Carello. The President Right now is admitted that he brought up Joe Biden with at this point he is asked how is that not asking for foreign assistance and if so as a let's not get creative here is Chris. Murphy said has just committed impeachable violation well all chuck. I WANNA point to your interview with Pat Toomey because most republicans tend to be elusive. Ask specific questions and you ask them is this appropriate and he said absolutely absolutely not it is not appropriate for the president any president to reach out to a foreign leader to ask for help for his election pat to meet set it. Most Republicans still will not say it and that's what we have to focus on here sure there's the Biden Angle and everything else but at the end of the day it's the president asking asking another foreign leader four support for a u s election that is troubling now politically. Could this end up helping him. Maybe this is going to fuel impeachment impeachment talks in the house. This is going to put pressure on Nancy Pelosi again to take that step and we know people in the White House would like to see the president impeach- because I think it would help politically Donna take a look at the pressure already this morning. I'M GONNA put up a few quotes in tweets Alexandria Cossio Cortez the bigger national scandal isn't the president's it's lawbreaking behavior it is the Democratic Party's refusal to impeach him for it. Congressman Steve Cohen also a progressive Democrat back off everything. We've been very weak. Senator Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren by failing to act congress is complicit well. I agree I mean I think that this is a president who you know clearly clearly you give him an end. She takes two miles and he's done that. Every time he moves the bar and in this instance what he's he he learned nothing was going to happen after the mullahs report and so I'll make that phone call to Zielinski and I think that unless Democrats really intend to hold his feet to the fire then they should just stop screaming about it because it makes them look weak and feckless and this president takes advantage of every single opportunity and chuck. I think the divisions the confusion over impeachment was laid bare this week during the Corey Lewandowski hearings when Democrats seemed ill prepared to deal with some of his barbs. He came loaded for bear. Certainly this is adding fuel to the impeachment momentum. There's movement. There's no doubt about that but I've been talking to leadership aides on Capitol Hill who say look we're still we'll just not there yet. Leader Pelosi's not there yet. She wants the investigations to play out and they also raise the fact that look we don't know specifically yet. Everything everything that happened in the Caribbean thirsty like I'll be among house. Democrats isn't just about this Ukrainian story. Look at coralline dicey coming to Capitol Hill this week defiance defiance at every turn blocking of documents witnesses. This White House keeps saying de Democrats in Congress. We're not cooperating at any level and that's why Democrats are simmering shimmering. I want to get the two of you on here for a second. You've had to make these tough tough decisions about sent about agreeing to send troops. David Ignatius writes the following for trump. This is a self inflicted wound now. Trump must decide whether to fight a war he in the country don't want or to accommodate an Iran who's truculence. He helped create welcome to the Middle East Mr President Carlos. Do you think that essentially the president just miscalculated on the around well look. I think we have to be fair. This is a president a lot of people feared would be extremely greenlee. Impulsive would get us into unnecessary wars here. He's showing restraint and those who criticize him have to choose or are they going to criticize him for being too aggressive or is is this maybe now hypocritical when they're saying well he's he's sending mixed messages secondly a two point Iran is a terrorist regime team. They were going to carry out this expansionist campaign in the Middle East regardless of the heard the circus. How do we know we're doing it? After president an Obama signed the nuclear agreement with them so to say that Iran is acting in this way in reaction to the president. I don't think that's really fair either. I think the president does risk speaking loudly and carrying a small stick the opposite of Teddy Roosevelt say there is some risk there but I think restraint is something most the people celebrate when it comes to Donald trump but this is really stemmed from the president's pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal and not having a plan plan b there was never a plan for what happens the day after you pull out of that deal and what we've seen is the devolution of all of the policy with Iran precisely because the president never had an idea of where to go next well. We're going to try to figure out where he's going next with my next guest will become that confronting Ron. I'll talk to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin who just wrote a bunch of new sanctions welcome back defense a Qatari Mark Espera this week announced the deployment of a few hundred. US troops to Saudi Arabia as well as some air and missile defense system this of course after that attack on Saudi oil facilities last week. The administration is blaming Iran. President trump has said he'd prefer to avoid getting into a shooting war over the incident Mr Trump denounce new sanctions on Iran's National Bank tightening the economic pressure. The administration has applied and joining me now is president trump's treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin who was involved in getting those sanctions imposed secretary munition welcome back meet the press good morning good to be here before you get to Iran this situation between the president this whistle blower his conversations with Ukraine's president and this issue of an investigation I take I assume you know some of these details but let me just ask this. Do you know why the president hasn't gone to the FBI about these allegations I don't but let me just say I wasn't on this call but I've been on many calls with world leaders. So first of all there are multiple people on these calls. I think it'd be highly l. E. Inappropriate to release a transcript of call between two world leaders and I think the bigger story here is really what what went on with Biden his son. He came out over the weekend and said he never spoke to his son yet. The facts are his son said they had spoken what I don't understand how that I I don't understand how that has has anything to do with what's going on with this situation going back to what you just Y. If the president believes in American is committing some doing something wrong. Why didn't you go to the FBI wisey outsourcing the investigation to the Ukrainian government? I'm not I don't know if I I wouldn't know if I don't believe he did outsource the investigation Gatien. I wasn't on the call okay and I don't know what conversations the president had has had with the attorney general he may have had conversations already is do you know if if why the eight was delayed and did it have a connection to the Ukrainian president's decision not to work with NGO well that I can tell you that there was was no connection I have been involved with Secretary Pompeo and others on the national security team on the issue. Do you know how do you know for sure I know you can is there. It one hundred percent what I know is I've been in discussions when we discussed that and that issue never came up during your meetings absolute live uh with the president and can you explain how all of a sudden when the aid got released more money showed up where where did that money come from. There was two hundred fifty million alien entity. They got an additional one hundred and forty million. They didn't expect where did that. You have any any idea where that came from well. He was appropriated money that came through the State Department so they that was there. They didn't know they were getting this money. Is there any indication why they got the money when they did. I'm not sure it's correct for you say they didn't know they got the Monday. President said he was surprised the price to get it. The president of Ukraine said surprised to get an additional hundred forty million dollars. He said it was a pleasant surprise but that he was surprised I I think I think he was referring to his expectations as I post necessarily a surprise but you're getting into details again these are foreign policy issues. They've been discussed at the National Security Council the principal's level these these were are not connected issues but you have any problem with Congress looking into any of this what I have a problem with is Congress asking for a transcript between world leaders. I think at those are confidential discussions and that's difficult precedent okay but it does the president have any. He says he said nothing inappropriate to why not release the transcript because again. I think that these are confidential discussions between world leaders and world leaders expect that they're going to be kept. Confidential has nothing to do with this call per se okay. Let me move to Iran. You guys announced today thank you because that is the bigger issue. No I warned piece I I'm with you here. Let me ask you about Iran. You guys made a decision to do more economic sanctions. It has led to a lot of us to say what's left to sanction economically. Is there a point where these with these sanctions I have diminishing returns. Let me just put this in perspective and then I'll comment on the details of the sanctions. This was clearly in Iraq it a event against I from Iran against not just Saudi Arabia but really against the world economic system and that's why the president has reacted first thing he did was authorized authorized more sanctions against the central bank and against the Sovereign Wealth Fund although we're pretty much maxed out on Iran we will begin to sanction third third party and today's where we see violations and we take our responsibility very serious third party means other countries that accept Iranian oil or anything correct so we will. We will begin to go after we know that there have been some cases India was was doing this. I assume that they have since stopped but they're not happy that they can't get Iranian oil I can't comment on whether they're happy. They're not happy. I think our allies understand what we're doing with Iran. This is a maximum pressure campaign so that Iran and stops exporting terrorism and attacking their neighbors. Is there any acknowledgement here that that the campaigns not working meaning. I think the theory of the case was maximum maximum pressure more sanctions. Get Out of the nuclear deal. They'll come to the table. They have since shut down an American drone done. What they've done hijacked tankers this this this attack in Saudi? Obviously it's not working. I mean if they're if they're not coming to the table. It's not it's not working. What what's is the next step if you still can't get them to the table after all of this I think quite the contrary? I think this is an example of it's absolutely working because what we've done is we've caught off. The Iranian regime's seems money and they are now desperate so all these actions are because their economy is suffering. They're running out of money and these are all signs of desperation so our maximum pressure campaign is about weakening around so that they can't spend money on terror so I think this is absolutely a sign of desperation. The campaign is working. What are you saying to folks like Senator Lindsey Graham let me put up the tweet the measured response by President Trump regarding the shooting down of an American drone was clearly seen by the Iranian regime is a sign of weakness many of your allies that are a little more hawkish than the present believe? The Iranians are simply testing the electrical fence essentially essentially and every time we don't respond to something that means they can keep going you by that ball out. I like Lindsey a lot. I consider Lindsey could friend. I don't agree with him on this. I think the president has specifically said he said this in the Oval Office when we were at the Australian prime minister it would be very easy to make the decision to attack. It's actually the decision of restraint so the president is on a three part planet. The moment one is sanctions to he authorized troops to go to Saudi Arabia for defensive offensive purposes which Saudi has requested and we're expediting arm sells. The military option is always on the table is a headline in the editorial board of the Washington Post was it simply says this should US troops but their lives on the line for Saudi Arabia complicated. It's a simple question with obviously there's a complicated answer that speak speak to the parents of troops that are thinking about that question. Well look when the president thinks about these issues. The first thing he thinks about is the issue you for the troops and I will say I have tremendous respect for the military and the sacrifice these troops make every day so that's an issue that I'm sure the president always thinks about on the other hand this is this is responding to a ally and friend of ours and this is not just it's an attack on Saudi Arabia. This is attack on the world economic system and we are sending troops there in a defensive posture Secretary of Treasury Secretary for the the United States. Thanks for coming on a journey views. I appreciate thank you when we come back the latest from our NBC News Wall Street Journal poll why the Good News for Democrats could also turn out to be bad news for uh-huh but as we go to break there are two passing center TV news family that we want to we lost TV veterans Sander Vanocur this week Ben Occur worked right here at NBC News in the Sixties and seventies and it was one of the panelists at the Kennedy Nixon debate in nineteen sixty cars but I'm Sundarban ochre NBC News also interviewed interviewed Robert Kennedy shortly before Kennedy was assassinated at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles then ogre later worked for ABC News for a decade and a half Sandra. Van Oker was ninety-one. We also las cokie Roberts this week. At the age of seventy five cokie was just another TV journalist she was a friend a competitor and a Sunday morning common she was his best known for her work on NPR and later as a co host of this week on ABC news from one thousand nine hundred sixty two thousand two Louisiana native she was famously the child the politicians the daughter of House majority leader Hale boggs who died in a plane crash and of Lindy box was elected to fill his seat Roberts was inducted into the broadcasting casting hall of fame and was celebrated for helping young women break into a business. It was not always welcoming to them. cokie Roberts wanted to be remembered for something more. I'd like it should be remembered as a mother and a wife and friend her people that I love very much. Sh welcome back data download time is the energy and enthusiasm at the Democratic Primary Moose to the left our latest. NBC News Wall Street Journal poll found the overall electorate of registered voters seemed poised to reward a Democrat but one who doesn't take things too far. I there is good news for Progressive Democrats who do favor big change in a few areas take a look at support for providing free tuition at state colleges and universities eighty one percent of Democratic primary voters support that idea compared with fifty eight percent of registered voters so a majority of voters overall pretty good sign for that idea and what about providing college for so called dreamers eighty nine percent of Democrat support back one with sixty seven percent of all registered voters again some synergy there and remember when supporting a public option was considered politically risky well seventy eight percent of Democrats support allowing people under sixty five to buy their health coverage through Medicare program along with two thirds of registered voters but as some Democrats Kratzer argue not all progressive ideas have majority support among all voters take certain parts of healthcare while sixty four percent of Democrats want to give government healthcare to undocumented immigrants events only thirty six percent of all registered voters agree and sixty three percent of Democrats support a Medicare for all single payer healthcare system in which quote private health insurance would be eliminated compared with only forty one percent of registered voters who would like to see that look for the past generation pollsters have found this to be a center right country on some of these policies something that is favored moderate Republicans on some fiscal issues but these numbers suggests a shift to the left. It's not yet to the extent that Progressive Democrats may want. Maybe we're center center or heading to center left the next six to eight months determine where the Democratic nominee will eventually end up up on these issues and these numbers in the party's nominee moves too far too fast placate primary voters ear. She may have a hard time tacking back to the center in the fall when we come back end game and a look at who the new leader is an Iowa in the states most respected poll back now with endgame and something happened this week in the presidential race I think the the polls ours and the Embassy Wall Street Journal poll and the new to moines register pull this out of showing a similar finding which is the sorting has become here. It is an Iowa Elizabeth Warren sitting at twenty two percent Joe Biden at twenty then a nine point gap between second and third place to Sanders at eleven booth nine Harris six Don Edwards it it does look like our poll basically had a fifty six percent of Democrats choosing either by warrant forty-one percent choosing the other twenty two. I think we're starting to see see a sorting here. What is this this is a race? It's a two person race in my view and I think that I mean you can see who's gaining and losing in the poll well I mean Bernie clearly losing Elizabeth Warren Gaining Harrison people also like it. It looks like all winter that's right and I also think what's happening is is a voters are saying we're going to have you know two really good choices here. We want to hear from them and what surprised me is it Elizabeth Warren's like sort of unfavorability. The people who were detractors his actually gone down which is very significant in terms of her being able to secure nominee in our in our poll personal rating is getting better header. Joe Biden's personal rating is not but this is putting downward pressure on a couple of candidates here cory booker and Kamla Harrison in particular not hiding the desperation take a listen. This is a determining. We're GONNA reach a one point seven billion dollars to stay. We're GONNA have to make decisions at the end of this. I don't I don't know if you heard but I'm kind of planning to kind of live in Iowa Kristen. I think it underscores the fact that those are the two candidates booker and Harris who are running as moderates and it feels as though this moment is about you know Joe Biden obviously representing one side of the Democratic Party Elizabeth Warren representing Progressives and it seems like she's surging because there is that energy within the Democratic Democrat Party. I also think it's notable that the Difference Between Sanders and Warren is larger than the difference between Sanders Buddha judge. They're divided by just two points. Buddha judged headed by the way his campaign feels like look. We still have some room to grow because his favorability is are so high. We'll have to see time's running out is does it matter is third place going to matter in Iowa. If one and two is worn in Biden it may not especially if Senator Warren keeps gaining this kind of traction you listen to her speech earlier this week in New York City speaking at twenty thousand thousand people. She's not just running as Massachusetts senator. She's running as a message. This is an economic populist who started with consumer protection work for years and she is running as a counter to president trump on that economic populist message and that is what makes her a powerful candidate in field full of people who are running as different kinds of personalities analogies are different kinds of policy pitches. She has a broad theme that is really carried. Her to this point is also going to get the front runner status the front runner Treatment Street. Let's see what she it looks like. It's six months old and this is also becoming a race about two strategies right. Do Democrats go for a base versus base strategy the Liberal Democratic base against trump from space or do they go for a candidate that can build a coalition reach out to those swing voters that is going to be the choice. A lot of Democrats are going to be thinking when they go to the polls. I want to show you something because you and I've seen this I think through previous democratic campaigns and it's the two conditions that warrant in Biden and put together in the Democratic Party. I'M GONNA put up our from our Embassy Wall Street Journal poll whole Biden has a coalition of African Americans men that are over the age of fifty men and women that over the age of sixty five and self described moderates conservatives the warned Constituencies Liberals Liberals College Educated Women Men and women under fifty those that want large-scale change when I saw that I did not automatically sue warrants on the move I said Oh that looks like Gary Hart Paul Song Bill Bradley Howard Dean those case she needs African American voters going to be the nominee and there's yet to be any clue that she's going to be able win them over well. I think that's true I also you know when you look at Elizabeth. Warren I remember in the spring. She started out with like a one percent approval among African Americans and that number actually has started to tick up sour in the lower teens among African Americans but they don't know her and they trust Biden and they know know him and so I think it's GonNa be a tough call and once you get at and New Hampshire it got to go to South Carolina where there are African American voters and that's where she's going to have to win this election and that sort of I'm not sure who's got the bigger challenge Biden winning over the Skeptical Progressives or Warren winning over the skeptical small c conservative Democratic voters who were like look look. It's about getting trump that's right and I think look Biden knows that he has a lot of support among African Americans so that could make a big difference for him. Elizabeth Warren as she tries to win them over. She's going to have to answer tough questions about her policies including her health care plan. What does it mean for example for middle class taxes and moderates in the Democratic Party? May they start looking around the fall matters think so at this point there with Vice President Biden for the most part but with senator booker out there and Mayor Buddha judge drawing a big crowd in Iowa you could see he's Senator Klobuchar Buddha judge booker other start to get a little bit of a look same with Senator Harris as the moderate wing wonders is biding truly viable in a general election and to be the nominee. How many all right I'm going to have to leave it there because this is a conversation on that score that I know will continue to have? I think you're right by more. Maybe the topic for quite some time. That's all we for today. Thank you for watching. We'll be back next week because if it's Sunday it's meet the press uh-huh mm-hmm good evening everyone breaking news lester. Are you afraid Iran honest playing with fire. The most trusted TV

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