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May 17, 2021
"From the sea so series it cybersecurity headlines. It's monday may seventeenth twenty. Twenty one insurer. Asa hit by ransomware after dropping support for ransom payments branches of insurance joint. Asa have been struck by a ransomware attack. The avalon ransomware group a. v. a. d. o. n. claimed on their league side that they had stolen three terabytes of sensitive data from axa's asian operations. In addition there was a dido's attack against a global websites making them inaccessible for some time on saturday on the attack comes just a week after. Asa stated that they would be dropping reimbursement for ransomware extortion payments when underwriting cyber insurance policies in france dark side said it lost control of servers and money a day after biden threats. One day after. Us president joe biden. Said the us plans to disrupt the hackers behind the colonial pipeline. Cyber attack the operator of the dark side ransomware group said they had lost control of their web servers and some of the funds they made from ransomware payments stating that crypto currency had been withdrawn from the gangs. Payment server opinion varies as to whether this was a coordinated take down by us authorities or a route that will allow the gang to return under a new name. Ceo's could face jail time for iot attacks by twenty twenty. Four gartner has warned that as many as five percent of business leaders could be held liable by two thousand twenty four due to increased regulations around so-called cyber physical systems cps's such as iot an operational technology stating that the financial impact of such attacks on cps's resulting in fatalities could reach as much as fifty billion dollars by twenty twenty three. Tell filmon research vice president at gardner states that many business leaders aren't even aware of the scale of cps investment in their organization often because projects have happened outside of the control of it. She says technology leaders in the organization must step up to help c. e. o.'s. Understand the risks that cps represents an why more budget needs to be allocated to operational resilience management in order to secure them. Colonial pipeline did not tell ceasar about the ransomware incident. Cease did not have technical details about the colonial attack. As of tuesday morning of last week. The agency's top official told senators at the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee. Meeting held that day in fact the only found out through the fbi with whom they have close information sharing relationship. Although season was forgiving about colonials lack of communication one republican senator in attendance called the attack quote potentially the most substantial and damaging attack on us critical infrastructure. Ever end quote referring to the fact. It's shutdown withheld. Its daily delivery of one hundred million gallons of fuel products and prompted the biden administration to declare an emergency triggering the environmental protection agency to issue. Its own emergency waiver now. A word from our sponsor trend microbe. Do you want to discover new ways to simplify and strengthen your security will join trend micro perspectives. On june sixteenth where industry experts and practitioners will share deep insights and real world examples. On how security can play a pivotal role in accelerating your digital transformation. Featuring speakers from gartner forrester es g aws and microsoft to register visit trend micro dot com forward slash perspectives. Cloudflare wants to kill the capture. Those irritating tests that require you to look at images and pick out objects such as cars. Bridges or traffic lights put friction in front of their users. The company stated equating it to five hundred human years of wasted effort per day. Their solution is for users to use a hardware security key that is plugged in or tapped which provides a signature that delivers cryptographic attestation to the challenging website for added security. The key must authenticate with the fido alliance to establish person hood. Ibm says chip shortage. Could last two years following up on a story. We brought you on this topic recently. Ibm president jim. Whitehurst now says that many firms have seen production delays because of a lack of semiconductors triggered by the pandemic. the shortage has been exacerbated by surging. Demand for tvs and gaming consoles while consumers are stuck at home paired with shutdowns of factories. For the same pandemic reasons ibm licenses its microprocessor technology to the world's biggest chip makers such as intel. Tsmc and samsung whitehurst told bbc news quote. We are looking at a couple of years before we get enough. Incremental capacity online to alleviate all aspects of the chip shortage end quote ireland shuts down hospital computer systems nationwide after ransomware attack ireland's public health care system known as the health service executive or hse. Shut down all of its computer systems. Nationwide friday after hospital administrators became aware of a cyber attack late thursday. All medical equipment at arden's hospitals remained operational according to the irish times but registration and record keeping reverted to pen and paper. The nation's ambulance service continued to operate normally and covid nineteen. Vaccinations were still taking place. Parts of the disruption were still occurring as of sunday up to pilot secure cloud instance in response to solar winds. So will use some of the six hundred fifty million dollars. It received through the american rescue plan to test out a new way to secure agency cloud instances brandon wales the acting director of caesar stated at the security and government affairs hearing on tuesday that one of the real lessons out of solar winds was the exploitation of cloud. Environments will quote stand up a secure threat hardened cloud environment we will pilot that out and then promulgate the reference architecture across the federal government to help improve the security of cloud environments for all of our federal partners end quote. Thanks for listening to this episode of cybersecurity headlines if you're looking for more expanded conversations about the biggest cyber security issues facing organizations today than you need to check out our c. so series of video chats held every friday at ten. Am pacific one pm eastern. This week our chat is all about hacking the speed of business digging into how security professionals can gain parody the speed of a high growth business. We've got a preview video of the chat up now over at so dot com and while you're there click on the register for video chats button to join the full discussion on friday. I'm steve prentice reporting for the so series cybersecurity. Headlines are available every weekday had to see so series dot com for the full stories behind the headlines.
"Live from eight seven. Houston i met hera the houston fire department. Says they are currently responding to a gas leak that they say is the result of a broken underground pipe in southwest houston. The department is asking people to stay away from the area near shepherd and highway fifty nine. some freeway. lanes are closed. K. h. o. U. reports evacuations are currently underway near the leak. We'll keep you updated on the situation throughout the afternoon here on news. Eight seven houston. Municipal workers are a raise city council. This morning approved a nine percent. pay hike. The agreement was first announced in june city. Workers will get a three percent pay increase for each of the next three years. The first raise will be handed out this october. And the deal also increases the minimum wage from twelve dollars to fourteen dollars and twenty five cents for municipal workers a us. Senate committee has advanced president biden's nomination for harris county sheriff ed gonzalez to lead immigration and customs enforcement ice baluchi. Oh vasquez tells us. He hasn't been officially confirmed yet in a party. Line vote the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee voted to advance gonzales nomination to the senate floor. All six. republicans voted against the sheriff's nomination with many expressing concern over his reluctance to cooperate with ice in the past he'll likely face further opposition from us. Senate republicans during the final vote. And that's lucia vasquez reporting hurricane. Harbor splash town in. Spring is reopening tomorrow just a few weeks after a chemical leak sent over thirty people to area hospitals. The investigation concluded that part of the water filtration system wasn't installed correctly and that caused a toxic vapor to be released into the air. The water park says automatic refunds have been offered to people who purchased single day passes on the days. They were closed season pass. Holders are receiving additional appreciation benefits due to that temporary closure. The park will open at eleven. Am tomorrow eighty eight degrees right now. On the u h campus. I met arab news. Eight seven support for. Npr comes from npr stations. Other contributors include fidelity wealth management helping clients develop.
August 4, 2021
"News washington the dow jones industrial average closes the day down more than three hundred points or nearly one percent at thirty four thousand. Seven hundred ninety. Two this is npr news. My from news eighty eight seven in houston on gay lauder. Here's what we're working on for. All things considered for awaiting tonight speech here in houston by former vice president. Mike pence government reporter rangers says pencil taught to a conference of conservative college students pencil address. A banquet held by the young america's foundation. Which is holding its week. Long annual conference at the marriott marquee downtown. This isn't pence's first speech. Since leaving office in january or even his first visit to texas since then he previously came to austin in may as part of a group of big name republicans to raise money for a bid to flip the us house next year. There speculation that pence is testing the waters for a presidential run in twenty twenty four. That could be an uphill climb if for no other reason than that former. President trump has signaled. He's planning to to run himself. Trump and pence had a falling out in january after the then vice president declined to overturn election results during congress's electoral college certification process. I'm andrew schneider in houston also this afternoon a. Us senate committee is advanced president biden's nomination of harris county. Sheriff had gonzales to lead immigration and customs enforcement but lucille vasquez tells us. Gonzales hasn't been officially confirmed yet in a party line vote the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee voted to advance gonzales nomination to the senate floor. All six. republicans voted against the sheriff's nomination with many expressing concern over his reluctance to cooperate with ice in the past he'll likely face further opposition from us. Senate republicans during the final vote. We're also learning that hurricane harper's splashdown in spring as reopening tomorrow. That's just a few weeks. After a chemical leak sent over thirty people to the hospital. The investigation concluded that part of the water filtration filtration system wasn't installed correctly and that caused a toxic vapor to be released. There's a slight chance of rain. This evening overnight. Low should be around seventy eight twenty percent chance of rain on thursday high around ninety three degrees right. Now it's cloudy.
"Hi matt harrop. Twenty-five percent of patients needing intensive care in harris county hospitals are now being treated for cove in nineteen. That's a big jump up from twenty percent on sunday. Texas medical center hospitals continue to operate within phase. Two of their icu. Search capacity plans and health. Experts are not predicting the search to die down soon like houston health department reported yesterday. That the amount of virus in the city's wastewater right now is three hundred and twenty percent more than the highest level seen last summer that department says this is an indication that cova nineteen is rapidly spreading and cases are likely to continue. We'll have updates all morning on how the pandemic is affecting houston here on news. Eighty eight seven a us. Senate committee has advanced president biden's nomination for harris county sheriff ed gonzalez to lead immigration and customs enforcement or ice. But lucio vasquez tells us. He hasn't officially been confirmed yet in a party. Line vote the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee voted to advance gonzales nomination to the senate floor. All six. republicans voted against the sheriff's nomination with many expressing concern over his reluctance to cooperate with ice in the past he'll likely face further opposition from us. Senate republicans during the final vote and that's lucille. Vasquez reporting forecasters are now predicting an increase in hurricanes this year from what they originally thought our environmental reporter. Katie watkins tells us the nuke news comes as we enter. The peak of hurricane season forecasters with the national oceanic and atmospheric administration or noah have slightly up to their predictions for the twenty twenty one hurricane season. They now forecast. There'll be total fifteen to twenty one named storms. Three to five of those could be major. Hurricanes that are category three or higher matthew rosencrantz with noah says climate change is impacting hurricanes in numerous ways including increasing the intensity of storms. Do form and then they make landfall. They are able to create more rainfall and so they have about three to three percents more rainfall at any given storm. So that's a couple more inches and every storm usually so far there have been five named storms this season. The peak months are mid august through october. I'm katie watkins in houston. Hurricane harbor splash town in spring is reopening today just a few weeks after a chemical leak sent over thirty people to area hospitals. The investigation concluded that part of the water filtration system wasn't installed correctly and that caused a toxic vapor to be released into the air. The water park says automatic refunds have been offered to people who purchased single-day passes on days. They were closed season pass. Holders are receiving additional appreciation benefits due to the temporary closure. The park opens at eleven. Am today. we're following this morning in galena park a story where texmart has issued an alert to the public about an incident at their facility over there. We'll keep you updated all morning. News eighty eight seven. I'm matt harrop support for. Npr comes from npr other. Contributors include uma a cloud based phone service for small and me.
The Border Hypocrisy Continues
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I don't know what that means and the government is not spilling out. What does it mean. Exceptions i guess. Exceptions to the rule. The rule being adults can't come across the border and the kids are detained until they determine what to do with them. So let me get this straight. There are people living under the freeway. Here right okay. They don't have a home right and they're american citizens they're not illegal. No they're here illegally. Exactly right they may be have a mental health condition or something like that and yet these people these illegal people who crossed the border can get into a nice three star hotel. Right and there'd be given Breakfast lunch and dinner. They will be given food. They will be given medical care they will be given access to I guess Education for the children. I want to tell you. That's just the way it is hotel. Site set to open in april will offer covid nineteen testing medical care food services social workers and case managers to help with travel and onward destinations. It remained unclear whether they would be required to wear ankle bracelets subject to any other form of monitoring so they wanna walk away. It'd be fine. It's going to stop them right. Meanwhile homeland security secretary alejandro orcas as defended the biden administration's decision to not expelled children. Arriving in the us and doesn't even heart. He doesn't even mention the adults in an interview and nbc's meet the press from my orcas said this. The message is quite clear. do not come either. Border is closed. The border is secure. Wait a minute do not come seriously. The border is closed. He said the biden administration defended the design not to throw the kids out right then to me. The border isn't closed. And he says this is all donald trump's fault why is it especially challenging difficult now because the entire system under united states law that has been in place throughout administrations of both parties was dismantled in its entirety by the trump administration so we are rebuilding the system as we address the needs of vulnerable children. Who arrive at our borders believe that we're rebuilding the system by tearing it down that we have to tear it down first and then we can rebuild it. The system he wants to rebuild is the system that kept people on the other side of the border. Republicans of course had a number of things to say on the sunday morning. Talk shows senator. Tom cotton out of arkansas. Who's one of congress's leading immigration. Hawks said on fox news sunday. The border was wide. Open and senator rob portman of ohio. The top republican on the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee said on cbs. Face the nation. It's a situation that is spiraling out of control. Tell you what we need to get the government and the law enforcement agencies of miami to the southern border because they know how to shut something now. Did you see the party. What's going on on miami beach. I'm glad we were there week before till you. You gotta be nuts to go to miami beach on spring break these days anyway. They've imposed an emergency eight. Pm to six am curfew for miami beach and that means that the hard partying spring break crowds can't go into restaurants. They can't go into bars. Everything's going to be closed. In fact they're required to stay in their hotel rooms. Yeah here's miami beach mayor. Dan gelber large group of people who are coming here. I think because they probably wanna let loose or or or worse and we are seeing it. And we can't really allow i think We can't really do this kind of meeting. After a an incident that will define us in the long term and that will regret. and that will will horrifies. There's no statewide mask rules or restrictions or mandates because of covid nineteen. Let me tell you when we were down in florida. Their rules are tough. Countywide like in broward county and in dade county. I mean you have to wear a mask. So they're being tough. Vaccines are not supposed to work this way and this is it. This is a really interesting. And i was talking with that young man on. I told you about Yesterday told me that he and his wife had had coverted and that they had really really suffered the young young people in their early thirties. And he said they were. They were really really sick. for quite some time at any rate this was back in december that they had it. Here's the deal of the philadelphia. Enquirer says that they've done some research that is determining that anecdotally that kovin long haulers that is people with debilitating systems that refuse to go away or seeing some relief after receiving vaccination. That's interesting but apparently you can only get the vaccination ninety days after you've had the virus you have to wait. That long is right. Yeah it is interesting because You know vaccines are supposed to prevent a disease or diminish the symptoms not to night. Not bad make you feel better survey. Almost six hundred long haulers by survivor corps. Thirty nine percent felt better after vaccinations. If you can do it doing meantime breaking news. That astrazeneca says advanced trial data shows. Its covid nineteen vaccine to seventy nine percent. Effective here in the us and the company will seek emergency use authorization. They've also found that it. Safe here i know in europe. They've stopped giving it in some places because they had some bad reactions like they've gone back to it for the most part they saying that slight very slight risk is worth the benefits of blood. Clotting issue for a few people well donald trump may maybe coming back and twenty twenty four and guess what the presidential election is it really is former secretary of state. Mike pompeo is headed to iowa next week to advocate on behalf of conservatives and there are others to to santa's has a rising. gop star. Well yes he is love him. Rick scott florida tim. Scott of south carolina are also headed to iowa next month. And i wonder if i owens get sick of it all i think they take kind of a perverse pride in the whole business. Guess it's good. For economic development there meantime former president. Donald trump is going to be back on social media in the near future with his own service according to one of his senior advisors you of course banned from twitter and just about every other social media platform well. I don't know what. I don't know what the plan is but I would suspect it's going to be a matter of preaching to the choir. Don't you think they're not going to allow a lot of dissent on there. Because trump was thrown off of twitter and facebook and everything else. We'll see a couple of months that they're talking about. I believe so Final note here in this edition cliff notes Disturbing note in the investigation into tiger woods accident when he drove off the road in los angeles county on february twenty third of all terrible crash a new evidence available that reveals concerning information that the golfer apparently did not apply pressure to the brakes. He did not step on the breaks. It just shot off the road. It's kind of weird. And they're and they say they're also no evidence that he took his foot off the gas pedal they're saying that ambien could have led to the crash that speculation because tiger has been known to abuse some painkillers in the past but speckled. Nbn isn't it can cause some weird things. We're don't like going to your fridge. And eating in the middle of the non. I know but there's been no. There's been no evidence that that he was taking ambien. They're just say hey you know what maybe he was taking ambien. I'd say more likely. Maybe he just fell asleep navy. Oh anyway scary. You should statement. Said he's doing better and he's recovering an easy appreciates all the outpour of support.
Week in Review - August 2-6, 2021
"From the sea so series it's cyber-security headlines maga's spyware confirmed on journalists phones. Federal agencies are failing to protect sensitive data according to a senate report and ransomware operators recruiting insiders to breach corporate networks. These are some of the stories that my colleagues. And i have been bringing you this week on cybersecurity headlines and then we'll get a chance for some insight opinion and definitely some expertise on these stories and more from our guest sandy done. See so at bluecross of idaho sandy. Welcome to the show. Great to have you here. Great to be here all right and full disclosure here. These are sandy's opinions we're to be talking about on the show. Not those of our employer we also want to give a big shout out to our sponsor. Plex trek will be hearing more from them later. On in the show and remember you can join us on crowd cast. We'll have a url up in the corner if you want to be joining us on there to join in the conversation we've got twenty minutes so let's make the best of it. I up here our first story of the day remote print servers are give Gives anyone with windows admin privileges on excuse me a remote principle gives anyone windows admin privileges on a pc so a researcher has created a remote print server that allows any windows user with limited privileges to gain complete control over a device by installing a print driver. This follows zero day windows principal or inter a vulnerability known as print nightmare. Microsoft released a security update for this new one but researchers figured out ways to bypass the patch. This new method effectively. I was anyone including threat actors to get a administrative privileges simply by installing the remote print driver Not exactly a surprising story. I hear guess you seeing a lot of these print driver stories here. Sandy of is this. Is this a major worry. Concern from your perspective wrench anytime. If it's connected to the network it's it's a viable attack factor for an attacker. So you know in in the fact that these iot devices may think about it printers were our first. Iot devices connected to the network. I'm the vulnerabilities in them have been around for a really long time. I just dug out an old book a favorite How to own a how to own a network that was written in two thousand and three years ago in that story. It talks about a hacker actually using a printer to share files. So we we'd known about these devices. We've known that they are liability on our network You know do a simple google dork of printers in google. And you'll find all of these exposed printers. I mean it. It just is evidence of the problem that we we should know better. But we're still seeing people aren't locking down their systems and really patchy them. Yeah there's all sorts of sturm and drang about you know. When are we going to solve iot in the enterprise or something like that from a security perspective. We've had printers for forty years or more and still haven't so we will. We will see if that goes up an interesting twist on this but definitely not a new security concern for a lot of people's perspective our next story up here. Iran leaks hints at second tier targets as next terror gateway sky news is exposed a trove of documents appearing to be from a branch of the islamic revolutionary guard corps intelligence group. Thirteen catchy name. They show a coordinate attempt to collect information on the vulnerabilities of second tier targets. Including those that can capsize. Merchant vessels remotely controlled electrical controllers and building management systems and tampered with fuel pumps triggering spills or explosion. Pretty nasty stuff. Experts say this may indicate a shift to target more easily exploitable sites. So you know cinema question to you is what does this say about the vulnerability of soft targets. What can we. What can we do about this kind of stuff. Kind of a an a new a threat service to be worried about for sure. Well i think it's a recurring theme in the stories that we're looking at this week is is everyone's in scope for an attack if if it does any kind of communication that is over wireless or over a network you're in scope for to be attacked so You you need to have a team you need to be looking at your attack surface and lock down. I think the most interesting quote in the whole article was when he talked about using basics cybersecurity hygiene you know the tools exist to prevent this so you segmentation housework valid in two factor authentication. You know what. I think the story is saying is. These attackers are looking for people. Who aren't doing their cyber hygiene. Yeah and kind of coasting along on this never been a problem before. Why is it. You know an issue now. I always win these kind of stories. Come up. I always think of a lot of the concerns around things. Like skater systems. That kind of stuff where you know. These are all connected systems that control a lot of important stuff and we're still kind of grappling with security implications on that Definitely when they're state-sponsored activity around there. Definitely a concern to be had for sure in other state-sponsored news. We have a pegasus. Spyware confirmed on journalist phones french intelligence. Investigators say pegasus spyware has been found on the phones of three journalists including a senior staff member at the country's television station. France twenty four. This is significant because it's the first time an independent authority has corroborated. The findings of forbidden stories appear spes nonprofit media organization an amnesty international who both had access to a list of numbers that were interested clients of the israeli firm. Nso group then. Pass them onto Subsequently to media partners getting that confirmation now a kind of a big deal here all started with the french president macron us thing that he was on that list obviously taking more than a little exception to it. Not great but does anything about the standout as particularly troubling from your perspective. Sandy yeah again. Any of these types of tools Pegasus thin fisher. You know any of these fire tools were consistently seeing that. We're being told that they're they're control. They're only being used in a to prevent cyber criminals. People who are doing drug trades those kinds of things and then the evidence is showing that. That's not true that these tools are being used to restrict people and to attack journalists and human rights violations than ethnic that It's extremely troubling that that We don't have a good mechanism in place to understand who's using these tools and why don't have a great answer for it. But i definitely believe that it's evidence you at a at a national or at a global level that we need to have some rules of engagement place it really goes against prevailing kind of security wisdom at this point where you know. We've we've seen basically every major. A tech company coming out with bug bounties like like like less obscurity you know more transparency with these kind of things whereas groups like nso grouper or other organizations like that thrive when it comes to. Hey let's stockpile all these You know that's that's what. Abc's have been doing for years. Obviously but you know stockpiling this kind of weaponising them to sell as a commercial product. I think is definitely problematic at the scale that they can very easily reach. You know whether nso group even knows it you know. There's been speculation that they've been investigating they've been investing internally and our receiving a pressure from israel to to further amount that up as to if in who is abusing tools. Absolutely i mean the quote that i thought that was interesting premed that one of the founders was it. He was quoted as saying somebody has to do the dirty work. You know that doesn't that doesn't sound like a one who's really being accountable and responsible for the tool that he's sticking you know putting out into the world you know he's he's justifying that. Hey yeah the you know. Somebody's got to clean up the garbage. So yeah. I definitely raise concerns in the. The most troubling thing about this whole story was the fact that that what the one of the comptroller's reported that the nfl group was not being ethical in selling the product over a year ago in the israeli government didn't start investigating until the story came out so they're getting information they're they're clearly not taking the abuse of this tool seriously. Also wanna call up you know. Some of these tools were used against Ron pharaoh when he was gonna do an investigation against harvey weinstein. So if you have the money you have access to these and somebody's gotta be. Somebody has to be in the middle of making those decisions. I mean they're they're too dangerous speaking of in the middle someone's in the middle of military ship locations because there's been a report that people are spoofing them according to researchers since august twenty twenty over one hundred worships from at least fourteen european countries as well as russia and the us have had locations fake using the automatic identification system or a i s these fake locations were often disputed or into territorial waters of another country and lasted up two days at a time. Part of the problem is that s is in unencrypted system with some of them the security community now calling for adding digital signatures to each a s transmission full disclosure. This is the plot of a bond movie. It's this is this is not you know. This is entering into the realm of almost science fiction. Here definitely has the same kind of dangerous feeling dystopia and almost that we've seen from a deep kind of technology and spoofing identities. Spoofing worships can be you know certainly be equally as damaging even more. So what should the military nato be doing to educate countries about this type of smokescreen. Sandy e-e-e-e-no again. I you know attacking communication i mean. It goes clear back to world war one. I mean the the threat isn't new if you if you're out if you're doing stuff if it if you're sending a signal somebody's listening. Somebody's trying to get in the middle of of it there's capturing mandated they may not even be trying to stop or getting you know trying to prevent you from communicating but if it's out there and people can see it. They're using it to your point. Marc goodman wrote about the same type of attack in his future crimes. So i think what we're seeing in the in stories. You know this week and almost every week is is hey. It's time to do something about our this internet and all of this communication in in. What are we doing to protect each other in our citizens in all of our families and things that We care about right. It's also time now to thank our sponsor plex strack. We really appreciate their support of the show. Plex rack is a powerful yet. Simple cyber security platform centralize is all security assessments pen test. Reports audit findings and vulnerabilities plex track transforms the risk management life cycle allowing security professionals degenerate. Better reports faster aggregating visualize analytics and collaborate on remediation in real time checkout plex dot com slash c. so series to learn why flex track is the perfect platform. I e it's all right next story near and dear to my heart involves pneumatic tubes. We have to worry about them. Their security surface now everything Cats and dogs lying together et cetera et cetera et vulnerability called pound piper is impacting. The trans logic pneumatic tube system. Currently using over three thousand hospitals to move things like lab samples and medicine an attacker. Hospitals internal network could effectively use the vulnerabilities to take over the entire tube network. Trans logic says a software update for all but one of the vulnerabilities has been developed with the mitigation technique available for the unpack vulnerability. It was a little dubious in the reporting if they had actually started rolling out the patch or had just been developed. I believe it is now being rolled out. This definitely seems to be a gap here in terms of like exploit and patch. We've certainly seen this with microsoft exchange. Vulnerabilities i mean the list goes on and on and on about patch all the things. There are reasons. Sometimes we can't patch all the things given your line of work those sandy. You know even with comments just kind of for your own personal opinion. How can we help hospitals handle this and can't hospital sandel this Yeah i just. When i saw the story i just my heart went out to every cybersecurity team. That's working in a hospital. They have such a difficult task on. I've had an opportunity to meet with many of them on. They typically less people they have a bear attack surface. They have the you know. The most unique devices i it just raises visibility to just how difficult it is to secure a hospital environment. There's so much stuff. That is vitally important you know. I'm sure somebody at the end of that pneumatic to absolutely needs that information quickly and how challenging it is to keep all of that stuff. Yeah and it's one of those things where there's a disconnect because it seems like it's the most analog way to like it's it seems like it's so physical esteem punky. Almost use pneumatic tubes. Like you don't think your bank pneumatic tube can get hacked but any system with a you know a controller almost goes back to the to the iot example. We've certainly seen hospitals have issues with things like connected heart monitors we've seen pacemakers kind of be attack surfaces here. I almost think it's going to be like Like battle star galactica. After a where we're going to like we're going to say like we can hit these certain efficiencies if we network all the things but the threat to you know the the ceylon cyber attackers. We need to keep all these systems disconnected for that i. It would be a shame if we can't do that because there obviously there are like real health benefits doing so And that's obviously the continual challenge And and why. It's not so easy as saying like a typical convenience versus security kind of mindset. I think absolutely. And i'll say it again at the cyber security teams that walk into their hospital. Ceo in asked for budget. They're competing with all of the people asking for a new system or new machine that they have data that shows that saves human lives. You know it does something that tangibly can improve of. Humans lives and so coming in as a cybersecurity security professional asking for a lot of money for tential issues is. It's a really difficult conversation next up here. Federal agencies are failing to protect sensitive data according to a new senate report of eight federal agencies audited for their cybersecurity programs only the department of homeland security showed improvements in two thousand twenty according to report from the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee released by the panel earlier this week. The report underscores the increased scrutiny of federal cybersecurity by lawmakers in the aftermath of the solomons supply chain attack. It found that seven of the agencies reviewed still use legacy systems that no longer have security update supported by their vendor which can lead agencies vulnerable to foreign hacking the report notes. You know the bina mysteries has kind of been open about trying to tighten up security or at least making a lot of noise about it. Publicly doesn't exactly get good grades though from this report. Initially you know. Sandy just curious for your overall thoughts on you know. Obviously what's going to be an ongoing story now. Obviously extremely disturbing. I mean it's it showed a lot of issues that they had been identified have been identified but positive. Is there looking. You know they're actually going out. And doing due diligence and trying to determine whether or not people are making the grade and are implementing the rate security controls in the right places in following and their own published standards. You know i. My hope is out of this report on. It really does drive action at drives priorities. I can almost guarantee you. At the end of this report you know. Whoever was part of that audit there was a cybersecurity professional. Saying i've been screaming about this for years. I couldn't get anyone to pay attention in care about this. And is thankful that they were audited in now it has visibility so think it's positive. I think it's a step in the right direction and look forward to seeing improvement. I mean my days in there. I want to make sure they protect it. Yeah definitely definitely next up here. Spearfishing attackers increasingly targeting. Non sweeten c. suite employees according to report from barracuda and every organization is targeting is targeted by over seven hundred social engineering attacks. Each year and seventy seven percent of b. e. c. attacks target employees outside of financial an executive roles including personnel working sales project management human resources and administration. You know this is definitely different from a regular spam These nonsense c. suite. Easy for me to say spear phishing. Attacks show that middle and lower levels of organizations are now becoming easier targets just easier to get to probably with more access than ever. Is this a victory for cybersecurity in that hackers are being forced to go elsewhere from the top level or simply an expansion of a winning model for cyber attackers. Wow that's a difficult question answered. who's winning. i'm not sure or or is or is this. Is this kind of the proof that we constantly need to reevaluate the value of an employee from like a cyber attack perspective in terms. Of like you know it used to be okay. You know the ceo the cfo. These people have all the information all the access. We need to put up in a giant fence around them. And is it now that hey we need to. We need to kind of anticipate that these lower levels may get breached and kind of a segment those as well and not just kind of have an all or nothing for the c. suite kind of approach. Now i i'll even though bigger we. Obviously i read all sorts of reports i look at. He's the targeted. I try to understand. Why but you. It may be time to have it to email addresses for every employee when that you use share out when you sign up for a conference in one that you share extremely sharon's ruling so that we reduce our attacks visit control it that way i mean i. I think we're at a point where just do same thing isn't really working. I mean it it. It is a loop of insanity. If i have to go if i want to go look at a fishing report published by major. Ben i typically ask for my email address my phone number to send me more email. I mean we're in this insane loop of using these email addresses so there's a lot of me. It's interesting that it clearly shows we've taught our. Cfo this in ceo's to be really cautious. We need to expand that conversation. But i also think it's. It's a play that hate me. The the email thing. Maybe this isn't working. Well we have to rethink how we do our in our final story of the day. Ransom or operators recruiting insiders to breach corporate networks. Locked at two point oh. Ransomware operators are actively recruiting insiders to bridge networks. This effectively cuts out the middleman from any ransom whereas service schemes which typically affiliates to breach networks for share of the ransom. Blue computer believes these. Messages are targeted at external. It consultants who work for multiple clients presumably. Not for long. If they're working with ransomware operators hopefully You know a lot of insider threat is kind of been a big buzzword in this in the security community as of late Trying to develop better tools to kind of deal with that threats Does i mean is this surprising to you sandy. To see ransom are being this blatant. I guess that was surprising. Neither replacing wallpapers with like advertising recruitments. Yeah i mean. I think we can always look to the community for their creativity. I mean you know that. The business model keeps impressing the rest of us with how you know how. How the agile in and willing to look for new ways to to run their business. But it doesn't insider threat. I mean snowden moved and come up with all sorts of example it's a so's worst nightmare trust. But when you think about it. Who should i trust is a human problem may not. That's been a problem. Ever since caesar got stopped i mean. Trust is a really complex thing to understand because you aching we have to trust you know and and trying to figure out you know Philby know when he was part of a g. c h. I think was the right spy agency in britain. No he was such a destructive force within the british spy agency here. He had so much us. So it's a complex problem. Doesn't you know yes. Everything worries me. I guess that's for sure. Answer everything. I didn't worry roussy source. We could ever receive so much before we get you out of here. The what was one story that kind of stood out for you today. Maybe either good or bad thumbs up thumbs down given i roll What was what was it free. Yeah for me. It was the pegasus story. I really think that that. That story raises the visibility to people selling software that potentially can cause on far reaching damage to our societies. Really want to recognize the work by the pegasus team that investigated that and also citizens lab and eff sis labs and if of over the last couple of decades have been so Dedicated to making sure that our privacy in in our rights on global level of protected and really donate them. I encourage everyone to they do great work. Well thank you so much sandy. Done for being on the show Sandy done the sea. So blue cross of idaho. Thank you again again. We'll have to have you on a real soon and also thank you to our sponsor plex wreck for supporting the show remember cybersecurity. Headlines is available every day if you got about six minutes. 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"Hello and welcome to the daily beans. For friday april thirtieth twenty twenty one today bonds first speech to a joint session of congress hits high praise andrea art of maaco confirms to politico that he spoke to the fbi about rudy giuliani. A state. Appellate court dismisses the former guys opposition to being deposed in the case filed by protesters who claim his bodyguard assaulted them. The senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee has advanced biden's picks for the postal board of governors. There's a new bipartisan. Push to change the way. The military handles sexual assault cases the supreme court sides with an undocumented immigrants fighting deportation. The men who murdered arbery has been charged with federal hate crimes and the department of justice plans to file hate crime charges against chauvin and the other three x officers. Murder george floyd i'm your host aging. 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You'll see it right there. Big old button. it's friday. We have a lot of news to get to. That's always how. Fridays go do it. Let's notes hot notes. So last night. Joe biden gave his first address to a joint session of congress and according to several polls he nailed it. He absolutely nailed it How many of you saw our live. Coverage millions of shalev did Did live coverage and commentary afterwards and lincoln. We were joined by lincoln's bible. And we we talked about rudy for a little bit after that. You can see that still. I think it's up on his narrative. Tv feed on twitter and It was just a great speech but according to a cbs. News poll of speech watchers eighty-five percent. Who watched the speech approved of it while only fifteen percent disapproved and the cnn speech watchers poll showed eighty six percent approved of his covid policy. Seventy four percent agree with him on racial injustice. Seventy two percent agree with him on the economy. Seventy percent agree on gun laws and taxes and sixty five percent and give him high marks his immigration policy The speech was just about an hour long. He covered his three major pieces of legislation to build back better including the american rescue plan which has already been signed into law and the two part infrastructure plan member. High told you he was going to split this up into two parts. He did and he's calling them. The american jobs plan and the american families plan. He also laid out how he's going to pay for all of it and called on republicans to pass these bills though. He does not need their support because the senate parliamentarian has approved additional budget reconciliation so if republicans refuse to come along he can pass them through easier compromise with more conservative democrats namely cinema and mansion. Now we know what was in the american plan the points he touched on in his speech for the american jobs plan is basically. He wants america to win the twenty first century And his some of the points include transportation roads bridges highways rail transit ports airports and clean water and he tasked the vice president kamala harris with expanding high speed internet to all and he will also shore up the power grid. And make it clean and sustainable. He wants to fund child care and elder care and of course he means to address the climate crisis with green infrastructure and jobs biden also wants american tax dollars to be paying for american made products saying for example quote. There's no reason wind. Turbine blades can't be manufactured in pittsburgh. Instead of beijing. He also called the american jobs. Plan a blue collar blueprint to build america and finished up that section of speech by saying that we need to beat the autocrats because autocrats don't think democracies can can win win the twenty first century because democracies take too long to get things done you know that's the bottleneck in washington and that's why he's calling on republicans to come along for the ride or again. We've got budget reconciliation and a couple. We've got a couple more to use this year. Thanks to the senate parliamentarian approving that we can go forward without them. He then shifted to the american families plan and that would add for years of free education comprised of two years of pre k. And two years of community college for free. It also includes a family plan for quality affordable childcare which earned a fist pump from elizabeth warren. And he wants to extend the child tax credits that are currently in the american rescue plan though their temporary and he wants to extend those through at least twenty twenty-five along with he wants to make permanent the expansion of the affordable care act subsidies that were in the in the in the american rescue plan then widened talked about how to pay for all of it though. Most of it pays for itself in additional tax revenue but he promised not to raise taxes on anyone making less than four hundred thousand a year. He plans to close corporate tax loopholes curb overseas tax shelters and Wants to raise the top tax bracket to thirty nine point six percent which is a bush era rate. It's it's not even close to being the highest tax rate He covered a lot more in in this speech. A ton of stuff including immigration. Hr won the john. Lewis voting rights act international human rights ending the war in afghanistan the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour. He called on congress to do that. He called on congress to pass. The george floyd justice and policing act the equality act the violence against women act commonsense gun reform closing the boyfriend. Loophole ghost guns that he did himself through executive order and of course banning high capacity magazines and assault rifles and then also universal background checks He wants to make daca permanent and he wants to pass the protect the right to organize act or the pro act any also addressed the insurrection and autocracy autocracy came up quite a few times in this speech. Some of my takeaways from this. I felt like his anecdotes were genuine. We've we've always heard presidents. Give their speeches to congress where they say like the grandmother in virginia who said her child couldn't get this or the the veteran's widow in in alabama. Who didn't get this. Or i talked to. This person didn't get and every time. I hear those anecdotes. I'm like allie. These anecdotes and i always feel like. I don't think that the president actually talked to these people. But when joe said i believed it you know i i really. They didn't stand out to me is like you know a little. I don't know like using people Where where it sorta seemed like that in the past or less genuine but you know we know joe biden. He he calls people. He talked to them on the phone. He spends the time to discuss issues with families. And and real american so that folks real genuine to me for the first time and then of course. He gave all the credit for everything. That's been going on to the american people he said thanks to you. Thanks to the american people for vaccines. Thanks to the american people forgetting helping. Get this rescue plan past. Thanks to the american people he never want took credit himself although he did say Well actually when he said we've created more jobs in the first hundred days than any other presidency on record. He said his thanks to you. So i you know i. I was hard pressed to find an instance in this speech where he was taking credit for something. I can do it that whole thing. Just a very stark difference so Wonderful speech very high marks from everyone and just an incredible vision to to build back better as he says. And i think that these three massive plans six trillion dollars. We'll do so much. And i i. I honestly think that what you know. What biden calls Bottom up and middle out instead of trickled down is going to pay for itself. In an educated electorate a more people in the workforce tax revenues higher wages lead to higher tax revenues. Higher education leads to higher tax. Revenues pre k. Helps people achieve higher education and better better income. Higher incomes mean more tax revenue. I think this thing pays for itself so deficit hawks take note also in the news. A senate committee on wednesday advanced biden's nominees for the us postal service setting up a final. Confirmation vote in the full chamber is remembers members of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee. They approved three nominees for the postal service. Board republican rob portman joined the democrats And this is anton. Hajar amber mcreynolds and ronald stroman and the senate panel also approved a kieran ahuja to become the director of the office of personnel management. I if i'm pronouncing that wrong please send me a correction the and this is the only nominee of the four who was advanced in a strictly party. Line vote on wednesday and the former guy is one step closer to testifying in new york lawsuit filed by a group of protesters who claim his bodyguards assaulted them in two thousand fifteen as the daily beast previously reported the activists had gathered outside trump tower to protest. The republican candidates derogatory comments about mexican immigrants on that september day soon after demonstrators assembled on fifth avenue outside the skyscraper several members of trump security team allegedly violently attacked them and destroyed their protest banners before a crowd that included reporters when he was the president. The former guy tried to quash a subpoena that would force them to testify at the civil trial in the bronx sit for a videotape deposition beforehand in twenty nineteen. His lawyers appealed a judge's order denying his request and on tuesday. The state appellate division dismissed his appeal as moot similarly the state's highest court. The court of appeals recently ruled that summer's nervosa defamation. Suit against trump could proceed because trump is no longer sitting. President in the issues presented have become moot in that case. Trump called service of a former contestant in the apprentice a liar after she came forward in two thousand sixteen with allegations. He groped and kissed her without her consent And the supreme court on thursday sided with an undocumented guatemalan immigrants seeking to challenge his removal from the united states by immigration authorities in a six three decision authored by neil gorsuch. The court said the justice department was violating federal law by not providing imigrants it seeks to deport with single comprehensive notice to appear with details on the charges and scheduled court appearance quote if men must turn square corners when they deal with the government. It cannot be too much to expect the government to turn square corners when it deals with them. That's what gorsuch wrote in an opinion. Joined by a remarkable alignment of justices. Clarence thomas steven briar. So my aura. Kagan and amy coney barrett And the square corners doctrine. If that sounds familiar it should It's the doctrine of fairness and due process. And it's what gorsuch was citing. Here was penned by justice oliver wendell holmes who said in nineteen twenty in a decision that a private company could not challenge its tax bill in subsequent years lower courts invokes similar language to describe government obligations to citizens justice. I like beer. Brett cavenaugh penned his descent and was joined by chief. Justice john roberts and samuel alito and from politico andrea artemenko who was in rudy giuliani's controversial ukraine documentary and once tried to pitch the former guy administration on a plan for peace between moscow and kiev. Well he says he's told the fbi what he knows about rudy giuliani. Artemenko's going down really familiar to a lot of molar. She wrote listeners in early. Daily beans listeners. He's a former ukrainian parliamentarian. He told politico that he shared what he knows about rudy with federal investigators. He added that the fbi reached out to him last year and declined to share further details on his communications with law enforcement. Artemenko has Had a close up. View of giuliani's work with ukrainian officials and operatives activity by the way which appears to be a key focus of the fbi investigation into him his comments about helping the fbi. Artemenko's come as the bureau has seized materials from giuliani himself and from victoria tone. Sick who also worked on the ukraine project artemenko. I drew major attention. When the new york times reported he gave the former guys then lower michael cohen a draft the peace plan between ukraine and russia. We remember this. The plan reportedly. Would've least ukraine's crimean peninsula to russia for up to one hundred years ukraine's top prosecutor said the plan appear to be treasonous and in two thousand seventeen then ukrainian president petro porsche. Anco stripped artemenko of his citizenship and leading up to derek chauvin murder trial justice department officials had spent months gathering evidence to indict the x. Minneapolis police officer on federal police brutality charges. But they feared the publicity frenzy could disrupt the state's case may be taint the jury right so they came up a plan. If chauvin were found not guilty on all counts or the case ended in a mistrial. They would arrest him at the courthouse. That's according to sources familiar with the planning discussions. The backup plan would not be necessary as we know. On april twentieth jury found chauvin. Guilty on all three murder and manslaughter counts sending him to the states. Most secure lockdown facility prison to await sentencing now with chauvin state trial out of the way federal prosecutors are moving forward with their case they plan to ask a grand jury to indict chauvin and the other three x officers involved in george. Floyd's murder That's it alexsandr kung thomas lane and tau on charges of civil rights violations and in a related story. The men who murdered ahmad arbery have been indicted with federal hate. Crime hate crime charges as well. it's a an eight count indictment of the three men and So we're we'll see what happens with with that case as well so department. There's new sheriff in town merrick. Garland isn't taking anybody's shit. So i think this is great news. Finally after decades of failing to curb sexual assault in the armed forces lawmakers and pentagon leaders are poised to make major changes in military laws. That many experts have long argued. Stand in the way of justice. A bill championed by senator. Kirsten gillibrand democrat of new york would remove military commanders from their role in prosecuting servicemembers for sexual assault and has gained support from scores of key members of congress among them. Senator joni ernst republican of iowa. A retired national guard. Lieutenant colonel who said her own experience with assault and her daughter stories from west point helped shift her views on the issue. She says i've been torn on the one hand. I was a commander in the national guard. I knew how important it that role is but as a sexual assault survivor. I know we have to do more. I never really wanted to take this out of the chain of command. But we're not seeing any difference Missed ernst gnawed on new bipartisan. Measure is likely to attract several other key lawmakers whose combined support could usher in the big change to military rule since the repeal of the ban of service by gays and lesbians in two thousand ten other senators many of whom voted against this measure in the past. And i know. Because i was part of that push has said in interviews that they had waited long enough for the military to solve the problem and agreed that congress should step so they had a chance to fix it many years ago. Republicans did they said. Let's give the military and chance to fix it. They haven't thousands and thousands of more have been sexually assaulted. Now they're ready to go fucking hate this reactionary politicking Adding to the momentum a panel appointed by defense secretary. Lloyd austin has made a similar recommendation saying that the independent judge advocate should take over the role that commanders currently play these independent military lawyer should report to special victims prosecutor. Who would decide whether to court martial those accused of sexual assault sexual harassment domestic violence. The responsibilities could also extend to those accused of hate crimes. This change would require an act of congress. And while mr austin lloyd austin has said he wants service chiefs to review the recommendations. He's made clear that he's open to such a change As has kathleen hicks the deputy defense secretary the first woman to serve as the number two role in the pentagon a report out of fort hood texas last year that detailed a culture of harassment and abuse has further cemented views at the pentagon and on capitol hill. That broad changes are needed. The effort reflects a generational changes in the armed services with younger members. Speaking out more forcefully about the issues just as important are the shifting views among lawmakers who tired of ugly stories about assault of the assault of women in the military and the arrival of a defense secretary eager to assert his influence on an issue that vexed him during his years as an army general. And as you know i. I reported that this was one of the first things that he called out. For the commission. To look into quote the tide has turned said. Eugene fidel a senior research scholar at yale law school and an expert on military law where the department of defense can be the most useful and constructive. Now is helping shape the change. So i'm sure as you all know. I appeared in the two thousand twelve oscar nominated documentary the invisible war. I m a survivor. Military sexual trauma. a disabled veteran because of it and i we pushed so hard to get them to take commanders out of the chain of command. And this is what's not in the story that you might mulino. Hopefully i can help you understand. This is that the reason they wanna take. Commanders out of the chain of command is because commanders have a vested interest in how many rapes and sexual assaults occur in their command It it's they can get in trouble for having too many sexual assaults in their you know in in their command then so they tend to brush it under the rug right. They tend to not prosecute because they don't want a bunch of criminals having come up from their command there the commanding officer and You know the the old school thinking is it reflects poorly on them and it kinda does If i'm being honest and so we've been trying to get the commanders out of there and have some civilian judicial task force. Be the one to decide whether these are going to be prosecuted or not. And that is what this law that joni ernst and kirsten gillibrand of working on cures lebron's been working on it for almost a decade very long time as as soon as the the invisible war came out We we started pushing really hard on this issue to to get the commanders taken out of the decision to prosecute sexual assault and rape in the military. So this is an issue. That's very close to my heart. It is one of the reasons. I decided to work for the federal government in the first place for the department of veterans affairs so that i assure help assure that if what happened to me happen to other people that they got the health care and mental health care that they needed To to to cope with and deal with the trauma. It's it's very difficult and I know that there's a lot of people out there that can relate so. I appreciate this very much. I'm not a joni ernst fan. But i do appreciate that. She's coming along on this one And i'm only sorry that it took this long for for republicans to get on board and this whole wait and see attitude it it. It doesn't just apply here. It applies everywhere. We need to pass the justice and policing act that george floyd justice policing act. We can't keep let it go for another ten years and have another couple of thousand people murdered In order to take action we can prevent it needs to be preventive not reactive and But here we are and hopefully it's a new day. 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Hey everybody welcome back today. I am joined by a former senior adviser to department of homeland security and the cova task force. Olivia troy olivia. It's great to have you back. It's good to see you. how have you been. Hey alison i'm hanging in there. Good good. I'm glad i heard that you've been. You're you're vaccinated now. So what's it like to go from the former guys cova task force to being fully vaccinated. I must be awesome. Say huge milestone. i'm not gonna live. I still get emotional about it. I i think of everything that's happened over the past year. What people have listened to and undescribable bowl that we are finally making strides in moving forward and that you know. Hopefully i'll be able to take my mom back to texas and she'll be able to see families you and it's been a long journey. Yeah definitely has an emotional. When i got my my shots and i'm gonna get to see my mom this weekend for the first time in over a year and i know that that's going to. I'm probably going to be something in my eye. Oh my i know. I haven't seen her in so long. But what i wanted to talk to you about today. Oddly enough is your republican accountability project. And i think that this is so important. Because you know we've been talking. You and i've talked about this. We've talked about this on our show that it's so important to hold them accountable otherwise there will be no deterrent for the next person who wants to try the same shenanigans. So can you tell us a little bit about the republican accountability project and why you launched it. Yeah i think you're absolutely right. And the kids when he will start to revise history for themselves and try to brush things into the rummage seen happen on the republican side of the house right now. I think it's important for people to remember in have remind your the voters of what's really happened here so that's partially why. We launched the republican accountability project. We launched it actor january six and everything that happened that day in an effort to one support. The republicans said voted to conduct an impeach trump and take a stand for democracy and then fold to really call out the rest of the republicans who were basically enabling this entire situation. And you know with the stop the steel maradona with the big. Why trump didn't do this by himself. He had a whole group of people who let us all down the past that moment and a lot of these people sitting in elected office today. Yeah now because of that big lie. We've got forty states. I think with over two hundred and fifty voter suppression bills in in the works To try to limit People's ability to vote take away people's you imperil people's inherent right to vote. I mean that is one of the most important parts of our democracy that all came at a big lie and then you know we saw the. I don't know if you saw the the officer. Fan tone interview or the or the new officer sick nick of video. But just the how how much it hurts. Those capitol police how it impacts their mental health to have these republicans continue to deny or even try to make. You know participate in revision history about the insurrection. Yeah that was hurricane. I watched that interview. And it made me emotional honestly Period because it just made me mad that this is for a while this was a party of trump is trump been an issue of back the blue and that narrative right and then you get down to january six and to watch those images of course meant and what was happening that day to hear him the suffering from and just every game and then to hear him and knowledge yeah that it is simple him for him to hear the the hugs and kisses. Claims you're doing to. The trump claimed others. It's painful for them. And i think he's absolutely right to be upset about that You know these people stood there and and tried to defend the capital when they were overwhelmed by an angry mob. That was dangerous that put everyone's lives at risk and and to have elected officials sort of pretends that it never really happened in didn't happen the way we all saw it happened is shameful and that narrative that he gave in that interview about you know having been pulled out of the tunnel and being pulled down into the crowd and he likened it to being in the ocean with an under. You know an undertow and you. Qc can't get your bearings and having to choose between people trying to take his gun. And and i you know. I was really sort of taken by his description of trying to in that moment in the seconds. When you think you're going to die make the conscious decision not to use deadly force because you are just going to inflame the crowd and endanger your brothers and sisters on the force was just. I don't even know how. I mean. I it's just unimaginable. And then you. You're right to see some of these. Republicans ron johnson. I think described as jovial a festival like atmosphere and so sydney people doing selfless acts of bravery any of elected officials sitting in office. Talking about this like it was a party. Just when it was a flat-out insurrection. And just a complete attempt to undermine our democracy and what did you think of biden's comments on it last night. He referenced the instruction quite a few times and at one point saying it's it's the worst attack on democracy on the seat of democracy since the since the civil war believe he said And you know that sort of brought back. The images of the the insurrectionist parading the confederate flag through the rotunda. That just never happened before. I know he's been indicted and he's being charged but just the just the they're trying to make us forget and it's it's you're right. It's it's absolutely infuriating. And we just have to keep pushing back right and i'm glad you mentioned it during the address you something. I think that going forward as we see a lot of these elected officials kind of been the narrative of they're gonna be writing career action. And i think you actions have consequences and a lot of these people are in jail. That were there in that day but the truth is there a lot of people sitting in that capital under attack by angry mob. Who were part of this entire thing. Who has gotten away. Basically scott free. they have they. They've nothing has happened. Them county I've been a signatory to ask him. Bipartisan commission on. What happened there for national security reasons. Because i do believe that we need to figure out exactly what happened so that it never happens again and i just think that The behavior of a lot of these individuals are responsible and editions. Hell unfit a lot of these. People are brought it's behavior it's very narrow minded and it it really just is speaks a lot character on in terms of where they're willing to draw the line and there i would say the lack of integrity right on the oath the taken. I mean we've been asking right for four years where what's the line. What is the line they will not cross and i think that we found out on january six that there is no line And and i i i. That's why i'm so glad that you've launched this republican accountability project. Because we're still waiting for this Insurrection commission bipartisan. Or nonpartisan in insurrection commission to be formed. The republicans are stalling. They want to include a look at You know Black lives matter. Protest antifa as part of as part of a deep dive into what happened at the capitol on january six. Like like. it's it's the same. It's that both sides thing that you know. They're fine people on both sides situation. We're right back to charlottesville. And the gas lighting is just immense and unforgivable it in my opinion trying to complete the narrative and i just think that it really just needs to be scoped on january six. What might actually and how this all playing plays out. I would like. I would like a special counsel to look into it myself but i think people are kind of tired of special counsels these days but i tell you i wanna ask you now about your gop democracy report card. And i think that this is absolutely just a fantastic look at who is doing what in these spaces in in these in these revisionist history spaces. But i have to take a quick break. Stay with me of course awesome. Thanks everybody will be right back. Hey everybody it's in the segment of the podcast is brought to you by upstart. Do you dread looking at your credit card statement. Every month i hated it. I hated being in credit card debt. It was just this cloud that hung over my head. 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And he basically dinner review of all of their republican members of congress senators in the house of representatives and we basically rated them on four criteria. it was. When did they sign onto the amicus. Brief filed in texas the lawsuit to the supreme court meant to nullify the votes cast michigan wisconsin pennsylvania in georgia. You remember that lull. Antigone was led led by led by governor abbot correctly in texas. Yeah from my home. State of texas can paxton and that whole charade And then the second criteria was whether they objected to the certification of the electoral college votes. And thirdly did they make public statements casting doubt on the legitimate legitimacy of Twenty twenty election therefore undermining our democracy undermining what voters were thinking in terms of election integrity when it came down this election and then also did they vote to convict trump during the proceedings. This past january. And what you come up with. Because i mean we're talking about five hundred thirty five people. Well outlook is dismal. I would say it's not looking good. I think we more than one hundred. Twenty eight members of the house and then eight tenders received failings hordes apps across the board. I was pretty bad. And we only had sixteen members of congress. That's a great of a or a minus Depending on whether they run the senate side and didn't sign on to the Was a housing. But it's pretty. It's pretty sad picture that it paints. Because i think like sorry democracy. There's no wavering. On it right pretty blacker wait. There should be no negotiating on. What's happening here. But the danger of it is just how dangerous these narratives can be. And how pervasive they are and that the fact that are still lingering today are watching this whole charade happened out in arizona right now on this crazy vote count. That's being done in just such a you know out. I mean this is just so far tear. It just frustrates me to talk about it. It's unbelievable that this is just where we are but all of all of this is part of it and and the democracy report card. I think sort of fits into that. History is just reminding. People wear their alleged. he will sand on it. I like it because you can look it up you. Can you can actually address. And you can. It'll pull up your district debris levin will tell you exactly where they stand on those four areas and there's a democrat will tell you say never credit representative did not vote for things basically what it says. But it's you know it's a living. It's a living tool so it'll he's always a chance that people may move out that day. Come forward and you decide to own up to their actions or or guiding compared with the truth There's also chance it people will slide down on the scale based on their public statements. And what they say. And we'll be definitely watching for that but we just want it to be a reference tool for reporters you voters especially and donors. Who are looking at. What's happening here in a reminder Because we have a. Unfortunately i think voters sometimes have a short term memory. I don't know that. Have short term memory when it comes to the event but i can certainly watching elected officials like you represented a mccarthy himself sort of give a different version of the settings described previously based on what's convenient at the time for them to say and so i think he had. This'll be out there to remind people and also to kind of just keep tabs on them and talk about people moving up and down. The scale had this report card been out on january seventh. We would've seen mccarthy go from an aide to an app because he his first statements were like trump's responsible for this. This is unholy. This is terrible. We were our seat of democracy attacked etc et cetera. I'm paraphrasing but then he then he went down to mar-a-lago and had a little chat and then boom comes back out. I think too. It's infuriating right trade to wash that action. I think you're absolutely right. And there was experienced to watch this speeches watching mccarthy watch mcconnell deliver that powerful speech he that night where he was so angry and what he was saying and then kind of flip back on it and by the way for west trump. You double down on. Mcconnell continues to go after pence. He did that in recent features. He does that in his comments today. And so there's no loyalty there. So i don't understand why they continue to that district ring right so to speak. Because but it's it's it's embarrassing but they're gonna engineer to do it over and over again so if i shout out some names can you tell me their grades. Try a lot. That apple's yeah. Well you're probably know these ones off the top of your head what what did mcconnell get. Mcconnell has a c. minus for mediocre. All right okay and mccarthy he has asked and josh hawley. I'm thinking about him last night. Because i had this kind of picture in my head of you know when when president biden talked about the anti asian hate bill ryan how everyone finds onto it except for one person and i just had this image of josh hawley sitting in the corner with dots. Half yeah right. That's what really came to mind. I was just like that's your legacy there. And then you just you just pull that dunce cap down a little bit and it becomes a very comfortable hood for him. Cuddle i hole out there. One or two may have been thinking about that too. but i'm thinking. yeah that's the legacy josh hawley. Anti democracy and pro heat. Yeah he's an autocrat he's he's that smarter trump were. I'm i've been worried about this whole time. Ted cruz liz. Cheney is a she got an a all right. I've been really kind. I've just been proud of her standing up in the face of all of that especially as the number three republican. What about matt gaetz asked. He's got an f. We go anymore lower on the scale. We would look at whether people are sex trafficking. Anything anything yeah. That'd be a different work hard now. Is there somebody who got the absolute lowest. A senator and a house member who who who got the absolute lowest score or there are a lot of ties for lowest score. There's a lot of ties to be honest. yeah i. I'm not surprised and tell everyone where they can find this because like you said. This is an important tool for voters to go. You can find out who your congressperson is who your senators are and see what their grades are on how they rank on basically how if they support democracy or not just fundamental democratic principles enshrined in our constitution. What where can everyone Go to to use this tool sure. It's accountability don. Gop really you are. Congratulations on nab in that one. One last question before you go because you were a senior adviser at department of homeland security and you know you briefly mentioned that when we have lawmakers that are anti-democratic or you know anti-constitution anti-america that really can negatively impact our national security. And you know this. This was your area of expertise. Can you tell us practically like in practicability. Wise how how it negatively impacts our national screw. How well how does it make us vulnerable. Yeah i think that goes That actually gets along with lions so passionate about the republican accountability project because to me as yet from the broader perspective and and strategic picture and it really is just about the divisiveness. It's happening in the country. The disinformation primarily is where it relates comes into play is when he started undermine things like our elections and he pushed false narratives. Like the big y. You're telling people that the election was stolen from them. Any at echo chambers. I would say on more far-right media and right-leaning networks that are pushing these narratives. They're voters have elected officials that are telling their constituents says people listen to that and they act on it right and so there's a whole population out there right now. Who do you think that dillashaw stolen who think that biden is not legitimate president of the country and that opens in september ability for all sorts of reason it also opens up to vulnerability is really on social media from foreign adversaries to be honest. That are stirring the pot freight. That's kind of what. I was thinking that you would would be going because we just. We just reported yesterday on this thirty. Six dr memo. That's been circling around. Where the you know the the commanders in our military the top browser pretty much begging are spy chiefs to to release this information An intelligence on russia and china and because of the sanctions that were just put in place and potentially more sanctions that are going to be put into place against russia specifically. I'm talking about now. There were memos that went out from the intelligence agency saying you can expect some really strong retaliation to the to that Behavior in the next twelve eighteen months on social media with disinformation and when we're so divided and people are writing revisionist history and spreading the big lie people become a larger percentage of people. I feel become more vulnerable to this. This foreign disinformation where their whole goal is to make our make. Democracy look like a sham and pump up autocracy and and break-up nato so they can invade crimea. I mean it's just it's massive the national security threat dangerous and it allows the the problem is that it also allows for various groups to recruit people they see the divisiveness and then unfortunately extremist groups recruit on social media and these platforms and they see a vulnerability and they and they use sort of this divisiveness so it has to right. It's foreign adversaries that are the pot trying to divide our country even more so because it plays in their favor and then there's groups like domestic terror in domestic terrorist groups or extremist groups that are recruiting of that based on these era heads. And it's interesting that it contributed the rise of domestic terrorism. It leads to hate crimes elites to all sorts of challenges. That are just gonna make it harder for us to overcome and when it comes into information as you know. It's a major challenge it. It's it's very hard to back. The box read those newly unredacted. Parts of volume. One of the miller report. And you'll get a little taste of it. There's tons of more intel reports out there if you don't feel like talking about muller anymore but yeah and i'm hoping that some of these plea agreements or you know we only know about one now but i think there's more in in the in the pipeline in the investigation into the insurrection with the oath keepers and the proud boys these i'm hoping these plea agreements in these plea agreements that our intelligence agencies really use that information to to find out how these groups are funded how they recruit You know how and because it is. It's the number one threat In america's domestic violent extremism. And i know. I'm glad that biden's got a group headed up by josh pelzer. A gift somebody we've had on the show before his great to try to to try to assess the threat and so we're we're taking steps but we're it's like sisyphus going up against republicans so thank you for for For creating this you can see everyone. The gop democracy report card at accountability dot gop and olivia troy. I appreciate your time today. Thanks so much excels in nature having any anytime we would love to have you back to see how this kind of changes and morphs with with new declarations or withdraws. We'll see what happens but we're all going to vote in two thousand twenty two so I think that that's another great part of accountability. And this is a great tool for voters. So thank you very much everybody. We'll be right back. Stick around for the good news. Hey everybody it's ag from the beans mother's day is right around the corner mother's day it always sneaks up on me even though it's every may not sure why it sneaks up on me but i need to get a gift and i have found the perfect gift at pandora jewelry. Mothers are so important. My mom i love my mom. I hadn't seen her in a year. I get to see her this weekend. I get to hugger for the first time. And so i got her this incredible gift. 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There's there's i think the light at the end of the tunnel is much closer than one hundred days ago. So i'm very very optimistic about the speaking of of optimism and good news. We have our listener submitted. Good news confessions and corrections and games that we play and everybody. If you have anything you want to submit you can do that by going to our website. Daily beans pod dot com and clicking on contact and all the information about how to submit will be there and this is i absolutely. It's my favorite part of the show. Everybody knows that and this is the one. That's kicking us off into our final weekend in april and I'm i'm superstock so let's get started. I'll just kick it off with this submission from mike pronouns. He and him. This is a correction. Okay so mike says. I've been a listener from the kitchen table days and appreciate everything. You amazing leaders have done and continue to do. I wanted to submit a correction with regards to andrew brown pasqua tank. County is pronounced posco tank. I went to college. Elizabeth city years ago haven't gone back. Since the day. I graduated and can confirm. It's very much a good old boys type of an area so How dick. The public officials are being is not shocking. Okay pascua tank. Despite the previously mentioned mispronunciation. I do appreciate that both. Ag and frank. Sorry dana i've never heard amy Pronounce my hometown correctly. Saying it phonetically would be. It would be norfolk. But it's actually pronounced norfolk which may tell you a little bit about those of us. Who live there. I know that yeah woo. Oh that's why 'cause ag and frank for glitzy pronounce it properly but dana does not and you've never heard amy say it but now you know it. Pass co tank. Pasqua's pasco tank and norfolk norfolk's Navy people are really familiar with how norfolk is pronounced. Keep the phenomenal work. Congratulations on the new network. I can't wait to see what you an. All star group of hosts joining can do together to make this an even better community for pod pet tax attached to pictures of our two rotties. The younger one. Jacks is a pain in the ass but also loves to put his cute face put his cute face out and cuddle the old man sampson who turns thirteen. That's without a good run for a big dog like roddy and he turns thirteen in a few weeks. I've never read a dog with such an amazing personality. It's hard to put into words. He's just goddamn national treasure all right so there's all wow. Wow wow wow. I love rotties. They're such dogs. Remember remember when like in the nineties they got like a real bad reputation for a while like it was the scary dog that all the evil villains had in the movies. Yup yup. i do remember well. I'm glad we've. I'm glad we've turned that page of dark dark history and now we're back to thinking they're cute next. We've got philip pronounce. He him hello beans queens. Good news after being in another room with another person since last march other than to be vaccinated. I'll be seeing academic department at work later today. We'll be bittersweet where wishing a happy retirement to our longest serving adjuncts. But i'm still so nervous. But i'm so nervous yet excited to be able to see people imprisoned again. We'll all be socially distanced and masked as well as vaccinated but it should be wonderful. No pod pet sadly. But i do want to thank you for all all. I wanna thank you all for some good news that you gave me and i'm going to pass along to others. One of the things students always seemed obsessed in with about with my introduction to criminal justice courses is the fbi after hearing the interview about m s w media putting out the bureau with frank fig fig lucy late next month my next stop at the description of it was. This is perfect. I have to tell my kids. Oh i have to tell all the folks from my doctoral program to their students will love it so thank you all so much for the podcast series as well. This semester will end before may twenty fifth but starting with summer semester. I'm more certain certain. More than a few eager undergrads. We'll be tuning in thanks again. Wow amy for all that you do. I i sort of read for a living so this is not good. My therapist dropping my doom surfing and listening to the daily beans is one of the best things. I've done for our mental health who i hope agee's visit with her. Mom goes well after so long apart and that this podcast continues to help so many people. Thanks philip. thank you so much. And yeah. This is a real. i've heard some of these episodes. Come that are going to be coming out on from the bureau from frank. They're really good. I have to say. I can't wait. Can we have david duchovny and gillian anderson. Just guest are on frank's podcasts. Because i feel like. I just need that. I feel like that will really make up for twenty twenty. That's just like the final. The final cherry on top. Just saying i'm just putting out there. Frank if you're listening jillian and david if you're listening please go on his podcast thanks. Er if we could get married gross from that old movie the feds and the eighties. that'd be outstanding to anybody who played an fbi agent is welcome. Clery starling yes. All right next up from kaylynn pronouns. She and her good news. I really. I promise it's good news. But i you asked if anyone had a game ideas as someone with an almost black cat unless she's in the middle of a white room many photos of her we have to play whereas the cat. I included three photos in one. She's pretty easy to find but in the other two. She's with her brother who passed away now due to his size sometimes takes over the focal point of many photos. Always junker the good news. Is that the hubby got his first. Fao g so there are only three people left before we can have a family dinner. Yeah congratulations all right. let's play. let's play find the cat find. The cat is a fun game. You mean find almost black cat. Because i see a cat in the first picture but then if i look real closely there may be a cat right behind the first cat and then the cat and the second picture i it took me a minute but i found the cat. Yep there is and then the third progress. You'd i love that. Yeah if anybody wanna place fine. My cat This is also good. If you have a cat in christmas tree that we have to find or you know just a picture of the room whereas the cat. I love playing find a cat so if you have any find the cat photos please feel free to send them. And i would love to play this game. I love finding the cat. You know what. That's amazing. And i will submit my photos of find my keys as there always missing. So that's another that's a twit. That's a spinoff of find my cat find my keys. Who that's good okay next up. We got tom pronouns he him. Hello lovely beans queens. Yesterday thursday was two weeks. Post-second shot looking forward to hugging. My family and friends. Moms two weeks is wednesday. So the reason i was able to get the shot earlier than my age allowed in two thousand nineteen. I was diagnosed with low level. Prostate cancer three on the gleeson scale for those keeping score since it was low. They do what is called active watching. And i go back every three months after year. They didn't mri and there was no sign of cancer. Woo but didn't chemo or radiation. As soon as i found out. I completely changed my diet and started doing jinshan. Jute sue self-help. It's an ancient japanese healing. By the way. I probably did miss brown set so please let me know when i am not in the control room of one of the fake news. Evening news evening. News programs. I m a j s j practitioner credit most of my reversal to it. 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Ninety seventy seven. I was going to say like nineteen seventy-one nineteen seventy-two up. You're closer it is nineteen. Sixty-nine don amy. Hey kids were pretty fashionable. I have to say no to kim. I love these bowl haircut. I know it's so good. And also my parents every picture of their apartment before nineteen ninety-two had that exact chair in the back. And that exact so the rocking chair with billy were both pretty close. Yeah and along the lines of beauty and the fish. I remember when i was sixteen or something like that. I asked my mom when she was out if she could drop by stink weeds records and pick me up a tape cassette tape and And she said of course and so then. She came home and she didn't have the tape and i said well. Where's my tape. She goes well. They didn't have aeko and the bunny people and I was very upset that i did not get to listen to my echo and the bunny bunyamin tape that day Echo and the bunny people. That's very good Next up from vic pronouns she and her hey there ladies. I've got a mashup of things to report as good news some fun curses to share and a what the mutt for ag. And amy first. Let's start with the plethora of good news. Today is the day. I hit two weeks. Post kovic shot my second shot. My girlfriend and i both went and got her shots together. She's very close to her parents. And both she and her mother are immunocompromised. So covert has been tough for them and not to be close to each other. Today is the day she will finally get to hug her parents for the first time in over a year i'm super happy for her and i'm overjoyed to finally be at freedom day. I know the world isn't back to normal yet when we should still be very cautious but just to know that we're moving in the right direction fills me with immense joy. Second bit of good news. I quit my job this month. I decided it was time to focus on me my health and my happiness. Lots of things had recently at my job. Due to a massive restructure. That happened in. October and i found myself extremely unhappy. I just kept getting worse and worse and no one seem to have any answers for me so with the support my girlfriend. I decided to quit best decision on my life. I couldn't have come to the decision to bite the bullet and actually do it without my amazing supportive girlfriend. She really is the best. I've been able to get back into the gym with a trainer to help guide and focus. Guide me and focus on being more healthy and fit. I feel so much better mentally and physically. I'm seeing results. The gym and i couldn't be more happy about it expert. A good news is The opportunity to go into business with my brother presented itself right after. I quit my job. It's kind of funny. How timing just works out. It's been a lifelong dream to open a restaurant. There's a new restaurant concept. Come into my city. That i came across and my girlfriend and i thought it would be perfect for him. So she sent him the info on it. I've been trying to get them to move here for years. He took the info and ran with it. Then things would happen the person he was supposed to start the business with backed out on him. I really believe in his concepts. And i know he's got an awesome work ethic so to top it all off. The food is to die for. I pitched him on it and he agreed for us to go into this venture together so my brothers moving here and i get to be part of helping. His lifelong dream come true. We opened up shop this summer. And we've been getting an amazing response from our community all the social media channels. We've got a couple of news. Articles printed about us and people are actually excited for us to open up our local community. Here's been super supportive. We couldn't be happier about opening up here. We're truly humbled by the overwhelmingly positive responses. We received so far. We're doing a korean fusion. 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So we ordered a dna kit see below Of our sweet baby adora and A pick and her dna results. Can you guess her breed. I never would have guessed some of the things that popped up on her results. My dad always starts out with a great new routine of working out and daily beans in the morning my day. Not my dad. What's your dad. We're still throwing my day always starts with Great my new routine of working out daily beans in the morning. Keep the news with swears coming. It helps me through my cardio. I hope you ladies have a fantastic day. Look this baby. that's definitely a hus- hutler sure. And then wolf okay. So i'm gonna guess just some breeds here that i see pop up a lot of course the chow chow right because the those guys chow chow but also looks like it's got some sort of a skinny dog like a whippet or a. Yeah a greyhound. You know what i mean. Yeah it yeah. It almost looks like a jackal is that is that ease even a dog. I know so. So pretty Is i love the natural eyeliner. 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If you have anything you want to send into us a by the way amy. I love that name. That dog dora. That's so no man. It's so cool. I've it never gets old anybody. Anybody share anything always instant smile. Yeah i love when people like send you photos of tattoos. They've gotten you know. oh man. it's so cool. It's amazing but yeah anything you want to submit. Amy's here on friday she. We also do amy's court. If you have a dispute you need to settle with another human or perhaps a pet Just send it in. And amy will decide it because she is magnanimous. And then you know all the games and now. Where's the cat find the cat. I love this. Game i love. Where's the cat. Find the cat bug but you can send it on by going to our website. Daily beans pod dot com clicking on contact. And that's how you do it amy. Do you have anything you want to tell everybody before we get out of here for the weekend so i hope you have a great weekend and thinks for putting up my terrible reading today and what else what else jillian. David listening me all right. Then can you tell the x. files was like my favorite. this is an x. files call back. this is. I have been thinking about it since i said it you guys. I know what those so everyone's like. Who is your first tv crush on. Mike gillian anderson and then a cool second was david duchovny. So y'all just saying make girl's wish come true. Yeah i thought you meant something totally different. I'm like are you answering. A personal ad. Know gillian anderson up anderson do company. Whoever i ran into on the at the grocery store and getting Yeah have a great weekend everybody. Yeah everybody have a great weekend and until we speak again. Please take care of yourself. Take care of each other. Take care of the planet and take care of your mental health. I've been ag. And i've been aimee carrero them. Sabin's the daily beans is directed written and hosted by executive producer alison gill and engineered and edited by mackenzie mozelle and starbucks audio staff. Writers include dana goldberg in caro- and ellison guilt are copy is written by jesse egan and our marketing manager executive assistant and social media director. Is i fact. Checking in research by our guilt. Danny goldberg amy. Caro- our music is written and performed by. They might be giants. Are web design and branding or by joel reader. Moxie design studios and our website is daily beans. Pau dot com. Hey everybody do not miss our daily beans after party on the stereo up. We're going live every thursday at five. Pm pacific eight pm eastern dana. And i want to hear from you our last stereo. Show a little bit like this. What about you ladies. What are your favorite nonsensical songs. The most weird bizarre silly stuff you can think of that you've heard through music. 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2-24-21 What's News
"It's time for new coal sandler's what's news from. Nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network. Congress is a hotbed of this week with hearings votes and markups galore on wednesday. The senate parliamentarian could issue a ruling on whether the fifteen dollar minimum wage provisions can be included in the covid. Relief bill under reconciliation or. It could come thursday. There was a vote scheduled in the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee at ten. Am wednesday morning on nearer tannin's nomination to be director of the office of management and budget. Well that vote has now been postponed. Tannin's confirmation prospects dim the moment with democrat joe manchin declaring that hill vote against her senate. Majority leader chuck. Schumer is trying to find a republican to crossover but so far has been unsuccessful. Meanwhile senator kirsten cinema of arizona ally of mansions is also a member of the committee and she hasn't said how she'll vote. This could all be moot. Two of biden's other nominees. Who happened to be people of color. Also come up against resistance. Health and human services nominee heavier becerra an interior secretary nominee. Deb haaland both have their second day of confirmation hearings on wednesday. The mostly unexpected push-back again coming from senator mansion and the republicans are notable as the three nominees that they're objecting to or all people of color. Two senate committees held the first public hearing on january sixth riot capital a lot of discrepancies were apparent in the testimony. As former capitol security officers seem to have different recollections of the sequence of events one major issue concerned a bombshell. Fbi memo sent the day before the insurrection with an explicit warning about potential violence former us capitol police chief. Stephen sund claim that he had only learned about the memo the day before his testimony on monday of this week again. The fbi released it on january. Fifth washington post published it on january twelfth but son who was at the time the capitol police chief is just now hearing of its existence. So d- and the former sergeants at arms for the house and the senate who all resigned under pressure after the riots blamed the fbi the trump administration and each other for what happened on january. Sixth they said. The attack was unpredictable and unforeseeable. Despite trump's supporters openly planning the attack online in the days and weeks leading up to that day. Sun and paul irving. Who's the former house. Sergeant at arms disagreed about the timing of a request for national guard. Assistance and why. It was so slow to be answered and a lot more. This same group will go before the house. On thursday and on wednesday a house subcommittee is set to hear testimony to assess the damage from the insurrection. According to at least one officials testimony the price tag for damage increased capitol hill. Security is already thirty million dollars. Well the senate was busy on tuesday. They confirm tom vilsek. New agriculture secretary sending the former iowa governor back to the same cabinet position. He served in for the entirety of the obama. Administration the senate confirmed linda thompson. Greenfield to be the new. Un ambassador and they're still more happening in congress on one day for example the confirmation hearing for biden cia director nominee ambassador. Bill burns begins as he testifies before. The senate intelligence committee remember the embattled trump appointed postmaster. General who did his best to destroy the. Us postal service. Well louis. Dejoy is back on the hill wednesday answering questions before the house oversight committee but this time democrats don't seem to be united and working to stem. Some are pushing for a brand new slate of governors. Who could immediately fired dejoy but others are taking a more moderate approach hoping they can instead work with him and cut a deal on a long-awaited bill to overhaul the postal service. Oversight committee chairman carolyn. Maloney is in the latter group. It makes no sense at all. The latest we've heard from dejoy is that he is working to try to slow down the mail service while at the same time. Raising prices seriously and the house appropriations committee is holding a hearing on the mental status of capitol hill employees following the january. Six insurrection. From the what will it take files. Dozens of protesters gathered in rochester. New york tuesday night after a grand jury voted not to indict any of the police. Involved in the march death of daniel prude. We all saw the video. Police officer shown on body camera video holding the forty one year old daniel prude down naked and handcuffed on a city street last winter until he stopped. Breathing will not face criminal charges. Prude was having a mental health episode. When the cops handcuffed him covered his head and held him on the ground. He died a week later. New york's attorney general letitia james in announcing the grand jury decision also said that a judge granted her permission to release the minutes from the grand jury meanwhile in northern california the family of thirty year old angelo pinto has filed a wrongful death claim saying that mr pinto days after police officers kneeled on the back of his neck for nearly five minutes to subdue him again during a mental health episode in december amazing. And then there were three on wednesday morning. The fda released its review of these single shot. Coronavirus vaccine this one made by johnson and johnson they are finding it was safe and effective and that it completely prevented hospitalizations and deaths in a large clinical trial. The vaccine could be authorized as soon as this weekend and on a personal note. I'm getting my first modern doth today. We're making progress worth one shot at a time and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler if you appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution by work is one hundred percent listener supported. And i can't do it without your help. Find out more at nicole sandler dot com and please click on that donate button.
How Will Alejandro Mayorkas Lead DHS?
"This exact daily we bring you the federal stories. That really matter is january. Twenty second twenty twenty one. I'm rushed for tuning as part of its sweeping initial agenda president. Joe biden's administration announced that it would pause deportation for one hundred days and suspend the remain in mexico policy for asylum seekers that carried over from former president. Donald trump's administration while biden's inaugural speech focused on more federal themes of unity and honesty immigration. Activists are actively watching how biden will contrast with trump on the issue surrounding the border asylum and immigration alejandro orcas by choice to lead the homeland security department was among the first of his nominees to face hearings this week. My orcas if confirmed when the conundrum that is american immigration policy in issue. That was a point of emphasis during the previous administration. My orcas who served d. h. I as director of us citizenship and immigration services. And then as deputy secretary of the department promised that he would support the workforce at the agency. If i have the privilege of serving as secretary. I will work day and night to support. The department's great workforce and ensure that it is able to execute responsibilities successfully with honor and dignity. I will dedicate myself to quit the department's men and women with the tools and resources they need and providing them with the opportunities they deserve but my arcus is not without controversy twenty fifteen homeland security inspector general report identified his role in aiding politically connected foreign investors seeking us residency according to the report. My orcas pressured agency staff to bypass normal processes to benefit democratic senators allies in the immigration process. Republican senators grilled my orcas on that report and his time. Indy ministration this week. Give exac reporter. Eric cats covering my orcas confirmation process. He'll join me after a short break to discuss. Hfs in the biden administration. And the marcus hearings this week. Presidential binds administration began with a repeal of his predecessors travel ban to several majority muslim countries an announcement of a one hundred day pause deportations and immediate termination of the national emergency that allowed for shifting money toward the border wall project against this backdrop. Biden's choice to head the homeland security department of andro yorkers sat before a senate panel as part of his confirmation process. Covey's echo puerto eric. Cats is covering my orcas confirmation hearings. He joins me now to discuss those hearings and the homeland security department under the biden administration. Welcome to the show it to be here. My first show The abidin administration. Yeah this is i guess. Technically our second show in the biden era So let's start with the obvious. Does my orchestrate confirmed. And what impression did you get from his appearance before the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee earlier this week so i would say he likely will be confirmed Especially with democrats now controlling the senate and only needing The bare majority to Confirm cabinet officials So it's likely that there won't be any defections Democrats and i would suspect he's gonna get Some bipartisan support as well No one is really questioning its credentials. His resume for the job On either side. He's lead a d. h. s. agency at us ask. He was the deputy secretary So on paper he looks pretty good. i think people from both sides of the aisle expressed that they had worked well with him under during the obama administration But there is of course the hold up of An ethical concern that came up With a pretty scathing idea report a few years back during the Time at D h s so You know he faced some criticism in a hearing. I got a little testy at times But you know even at the top republican on the committee of who is now rob. Portman said You know what what we need what we really need at the age as his leadership Maybe that was a bit of a slight at menu. Orcas for for you know the issues that have come up but I kind of viewed that as this position has been vacant for a couple years and so we need to get somebody into the job So i think that that might be might be the prevailing sentiment among a handful of not. You know a solid chunk of republicans. You referenced. the twenty fifteen g report It said that he was basically inserting him inserting himself. Personally micromanaging these processes that were governed by statute. Us's policy this was when he was at ucla there are some. I guess ethical concerns as far as what he was doing. Basically running favors for members of the Democratic party in the senate. What was that like as far as in the hearings and how that came up and how did he defend himself right Like i said this was something. That republicans really Late into him on. Not all of them. But but several My orcas defended himself by saying look i. g Looked at a few examples of ish of times when high profile democrats Asked me for help and getting you know. Certain immigration visas. But i did that a lot. I did that hundreds of times. He said and It's part of my job that that was a backlog system it was broken system and I did what i could to move things along To sort of break that logjam and he said that's part of my job. I came into government to fix problems. And i'm not gonna ignore them Just because they're presented to me from certain members of of certain parties he said that members of both republicans and democratic caucuses in in congress had reached out to him on a very regular basis with help cases. He was happy to help. Do to address those concerns whenever he could and So he said he was just doing his job but he did. He did recognize that. There was the perception of favouritism happening. When he sort of put his thumb on the scale on these cases he said he wasn't intervening in them per se but just sort of doing his job but he's still recognized that there was It did some bad optics there and he said that that after the i. g. report came out. He helped implement what he called guardrails to protect better against a that situation from arising again. I'm not sure that he has sway. Shaw concerns there But you know like. I said there's there's i think some bipartisan desire to get somebody into that role you mentioned about. Having someone manage the homeland security department immigration as an issue At the forefront of our political discourse marcus management style. And how do you think he will lead d. h. us if he's confirmed well Based on on that brief discussion. We just had you know. He obviously is pretty hands on gets involved in details perhaps too much so at times but he doesn't You know feel a he just still has to delegate everything in some cases he'll get personally involved He talked about the workforce especially in his experience leading an agency and as deputy secretary said that you know. Hss he alluded to the fact that dhs's struggled for for many many many years with morale issues and that he helped address those and that He helps bring those numbers up a little bit And he said that he's going to Do everything that he can to empower in full as and give them opportunities to advance their careers and to You know improve their morale and wellbeing as what he said So he it's at least you know on his mind It's going to be sort of a big challenge as it has been for. Dhs secretaries for Many years at the fact that the biden administrations coming in with a very different agenda Perhaps da just more than any other agency in government That that that could help improve. Some some factions of the workforce but it also just from a bird's eye perspective Creates some headaches as you know. There's sort of just constantly zigzagging and dealing with new directives and priorities So that that could create some problems but You know my arcus. He knows his way around the agency. He knows of the senior leaders. Who are there already So maybe that will help him. Navigate that a little bit better is his background at. Usps that will be received in the law enforcement. Side of things with the usga uses not being as Law enforcement centric as customs and border protection for example sample is right so a lot those frontline law enforcement positions in h. You mentioned c. Be the biggest law enforcement agency in the country is of course it's another one. They they were lot of those employees were sympathetic to trump. they support his policies Not that that. The union leaders necessarily always represent the political views of their members but they did endorse trump and campaigned heavily for him So there there might be some skepticism. there They were had cereal. Relationships with the obama administration Things were were better between them and trump not always rosy The morale actually did go up at d. h. s. under trump So that's something that the mayor orcas will have to be aware of he. He did mention that he met with the border patrol council their union And they supported his His nomination i haven't spoken with them having been able to get a hold of them to discuss in detail but He said also the a union that represents a cbp officers Not outside of border patrol Has also lent their support his nomination. So i think that they they respect that. He's been around that he knows he knows the ins and outs of the department and that he has relationships with a lot of these people And the the fact that they want to have permanent leadership for stability into have the voice in the in the room wing at cabinet meetings and the like and budgeting decisions so I think there. There's just some support for for having somebody there So he so you know it there. Could he could face a little bit of of resistance but you know generally like like all career federal employees. They have to follow the direction that their leadership is setting I expected that will be the case here. So we'll end up with this. You know biden has been signing a lot of executive orders including a bunch that are on the h. s. centric issues like immigration at the border wall. I mentioned this in the intro. A lot of these are in direct opposition to trump homeland security policies. What is that going to mean for the immediate future for my orcas as the h. Chief should he be confirmed and the whole of the department and the whole of the biden administration. Yeah well like you said this is happening before york even gets into place Typically hse criteria someone that you see confirmed in on day. One that's been the case I think you know in the two times that we've had an transition of power since d. was created but not this time there's a senator I think senator holly who's holding up the nomination so that's been delayed but the but as you mentioned things are are underway At the department. So you know a freeze on Deportations for one hundred days as biden promised stopping construction on the border wall. A changing the dynamics of a how strictly enforce interior immigration laws So a different prayerity there of the one of these directives that was signed by the acting Dha secretary talked about Repositioning the workforce to be more A addressing asylum cases and immigration Kit cases into protect employees from covid nineteen. And all that so there is definitely a change in direction. there That that will you know could cause some lash but This is this is nothing that is entirely new. I think you know employee's at hsa or are used to that. There was a lot of of quick changes without a lot of advanced warning i guess during the trump years so they probably have some experience more experience than they would like with these sort of rapid changes. And you know when once my orchestra gets in there which i expect will be next week Then he'll have his workout for making sure that this is all communicated properly and effectively To the workforce soliciting feedback from employees. So this can be carried out in a way that is reasonable and makes sense and implements. Biden's agenda but still Factors in the concerns and grievances of employees as the ones that are actually on the front line so that it is done in an effective way. So i think that it'll be a a lot of a lot of flexing of managerial muscle To make sure that this is really implemented like. I said it's smart and effective way And that they get buy in from the front line employees and that you know operationally. This stuff is happening in the way that that makes sense and is practical. It's it's no small task for sure. I'd hss we've covered on the show and we've talked to you about. This is not a cohesive agency with the history of many other umbrella agencies even like for example the department of the interior. It is you know. There's plenty of criticism of for being a somewhat. Hastily assembled in the aftermath of september. Eleventh in your mileage may vary on whether you agree with that but that That notion especially in such a politically divided time. I think is going to be interesting to watch. You know again not to put too fine a point on it because we did talk about it but you know there's a lot of there was a lot of support for for Biden predecessor and i imagine That will make some of this execution of policy a little hairier than we would expect and I mean sorry just to jump in on you raise a great point on on sort of the breadth of the challenge ahead. We spend a lot of this conversation talking about immigration policy in cpi in ice But that's only one one part of i guess two parts of dhs New yorkers will be coming into this department at a time when females is under heavy strain to Address the covid nineteen pandemic And and you know worsening disaster seasons with wildfires and hurricanes so that will be a top of mind as well and there's all sorts of issues affecting tsa you know especially with the pandemic in effect So so there's a lot on the plate and Certainly i think pretty much everyone agrees would agree that having some stability in permanent leadership there will help Just in terms of of making sure. This ship is on on the right course. Yeah the the emphasis. Because of the last few years of of politics are such that immigration is is a top of mind. Look marcus personal story. coming here as refugee During the castro revolution is i'm sure part of that as well but You know california has been on fire pretty much every year at some point For the last few years and we've had increased and stronger hurricanes at one of the defining Of the first half of the trump presidency was in fact a hurricane maria and presumably we will. I don't think those hurricanes are going away so fema will be a huge part of how. Marcus administers the agency going forward. And you know when that is happening we will cover it of course and eric. Thanks for being on the show driving me to be here. Thanks for listening to music. Daily january twenty second of exact daily was produced by at a butler and hosted by me cross john. Think cats for joining the program. Our music is a song signals by catfish. Tins should review and subscribe on apple. Podcasts google podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. 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Diplomatic Backdoor targets charities, embassies, and telcos in Europe, Africa, and Southwest Asia. Fancy Lazarus and DDoS extortion. Slilpp credential market takedown. A data gap? Cyber regulation.
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Using only your company's domain insights proprietary tools find potential external threats including phishing attacks and dark web mentions targeting your organization within minutes to download your free threat intelligence report to insights dot com slash cyber wire and we think insights for sponsoring our show diplomatic backdoor afflicts africa europe and southwest asia electronic arts source code has been stolen fancy lazarus's back despite the name it's an extortion. Gang not an espionage service and international law enforcement action takes down a credential market making good data available for a research. There's a growing appetite for cyber regulation in washington. Thomas ethridge from crowd strike looks at protecting data. And matt cody of palo alto networks unit forty two has highlights from their cloud threat report and hold that side. Order of fries amid breach is disclosed from the cyber wire studios data. Try by dave vitner with your cyber wires summary for friday june eleventh twenty twenty one researchers at set the bratislav based security company have issued a report on a cyber espionage operation targeting charitable groups diplomatic organizations telcos and others in africa europe and the middle east. The threat actor is being called back door. Diplomacy for its use of the taurean back door and its preference for diplomatic targets. Taurean appears to be a derivative of the aquarian back door seen in earlier operations against targets in asia back door diplomacy is a cross platform threat afflicting both windows and lennox systems electronic arts the popular game in east sports company disclosed yesterday. That it had been breached. Cnn reports that on june sixth cybercriminals claim to have taken seven hundred eighty gigabytes of data from ea and that their haul included frostbite source code. Frostbite is the game engine behind the widely played fifa madden and battlefield franchises as well as other less well known titles. Ea is that no player data was accessed and that the incident doesn't represent a threat to us our privacy. The incident seems to be an ip hack and not an attempt to steal personal data. The criminals motivation appears to be sale of the code in various hacker markets in posts on underground forums. The hackers hawked their stolen code with a big dose of marketing bravado quote. You have full capability of exploiting on all. Ea services motherboard quotes. Them is writing. They posted screen shots to provide some evidence that they have what they claim to have. But they're releasing the source code only to paying customers. Don't bother contacting them unless you're actually interested. In buying only serious and rep members all other would be ignored. They wrote so. If you would be interested in buying not of course that you would be but if you were remember to be serious and rep but hey that's good advice anytime right. Security firm proof point yesterday released a study of a criminal group that styles itself. Eight fancy lazarus and that specializes in extortion by distributed. Denial of service. One might think fancy. Lazarus was either a russian or a north korean operator. But it's not it's chosen name is an apparent omar too fancy bear and the lazarus group but proof point discerns no connection whatsoever to either group instead. Fancy lazarus seems to be an ordinary criminal operation in the past. It's borrowed the popular names of well-known state run actors including fancy. Bear lazarus lazarus group and armata collective. But that's all apparently either misdirection or more probably an attempt to look more menacing than in fact. They are fancy. Lazarus proof point says is taking aim at an increasing number of industries including the energy financial insurance manufacturing public utilities and retail sectors. They threaten a crippling. D dos attack. But as often as not if they're ignored they're simply not from again. Some victims report demonstration de dos attacks. And a few of them say they've experienced some degree of disruption but in general fancy lazarus seems to be more talk than action. The us justice department announced yesterday afternoon that an international law enforcement operation had taken down slope sla p p. and underground marketplace where stolen log in credentials were sold the joint action by police. In germany the netherlands romania and the united states sees the servers that slope used and the domains. Those servers hosted justice explained in the seizure warrant under which it acted since two thousand twelve the marketplace has been selling stolen logon credentials including names and passwords for bank accounts online payment accounts mobile phone accounts retailer accounts and other online accounts. Its customers used credentials. They stole to conduct unauthorized transactions. Such as wire transfers from the related accounts the us alone has arrested more than a dozen people connected to slope. A good set of training data are to the a i what and kerosene were to the early space race. Artificial intelligence needs data to train on and the sources of such data must be reliable and as reasonably free of bias. As any human product can be the wall street journal reports that the. Us government is considering ways of making suitably sanitized data available to ai. Researchers the national artificial intelligence research task force a twelve member body operating under the white house. Office of science and technology is working toward a strategy for doing just that much of the motivation for the program is economic. The us seems to be anticipating a sputnik moment in ai. With china taking the role of russia as principal strategic competitor. The voice of america says that chris inglis and jen. Easterly nominated respectively for the posts of us national. Cyber director and director of the us cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency both said yesterday during confirmation hearings before the us senate homeland security and government affairs committee. That they favoured a more active role for government in private sector cybersecurity neither markets nor voluntary standards nor enlightened self interest the nominees sufficient and they both favor more regulation. They're likely to find sympathetic. Ears on capitol hill where reuters reports the. Us senate is considering whether legislation is necessary to address the risk of cyber attacks and particularly the ransomware threat. One sign of that sympathy is a letter the chair and ranking member of the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee sent yesterday to the acting director of the office of management and budget and the assistant to the president for national security affairs. The letter opens quote. We right you today with serious concern about the state of our nation's cybersecurity and the threat of ransomware attack directed at our critical infrastructure and quote and goes on to say they want information that can inform anti ransomware legislation. they're in the process of drafting. They have three specific information requirements. That suggests the lines along which they're thinking. I information on strategies that relevant federal agencies are developing and implementing to combat ransomware attacks. Second any new authorities or revisions to existing authorities that would further empower relevant federal agencies to combat ransomware attacks and respond when they do occur and third suggestions for congress to consider as we develop legislation and oversight plans to combat ransomware attacks and quote and finally the wall street journal reports that mcdonald's operations in south korea and taiwan have sustained data breach. The hackers stole customer emails. Phone numbers and addresses for delivery customers in south korea and taiwan. The journal says mcdonald's says that some employees data in the us was also accessed. None of it was either sensitive or personal. The incident wasn't a ransomware attack. Burger giant has engaged the services of cybersecurity firms and notified the appropriate authorities. Imagine a ferrari losing them onto a forty year old pinto with a broken headlight and two flat tires. That pretty much describes the very a symmetrical cybersecurity industry money never solved the hacking problem had crowd sek they want to rebalance the odds and make security available to all for free. They're open source. Massively multiplayer firewall analyzes your visitors behavior and deals with militias. Traffic wants an aggressive. Ip is identified. it's also shared across all users to ensure everyone's protection no matter what your business is. is it offers. An adapted response to credential stuffing port. Scans password brute forcing and much more at crowd sack. they have each other's backs and make the internet safer together when a joined the community and protect your it assets. Visit crowd sec net. To learn more bowl palo alto networks unit. Forty-two recently released the latest edition of their cloud threat report and as you might expect covid. Nineteen played a big part in cloud security over the past few months. I checked in with matt. Cody from unit. Forty two for details on the report. Will we do cloud threat reports about every six months and whenever we do than we typically choose a different topic but this time around robbie still in the throes of the covid nineteen pandemic and what we wanted to do. This time was was something a little bit different. We wanted to see how has covid. Nineteen impacted security in the cloud. And so what we did was we looked at data pre cova nineteen discovery and then post covid nineteen discovery and really to see what what's changed in. How did you know. For example pew research found that employees working remotely pre pandemic was about twenty percent and then after within a matter of months that number jumped to seventy one percent at the pew research data. So whenever you have a massive shift in a workforce like that there is bound to be Security impacts and. That's really what we wanted to see. what's changed. How did things like that. Impact cloud security. And that's exactly what we focused on throughout this report. Well let's go through it together. What were some of the highlights. Here what are some of the things that really drew attention. sure The first one. And this is really what i would say. Probably shocked me was that we actually saw cloud security incidents increase once the covid nineteen pandemic began so what we found was that cloud security incidents they nearly tripled in the in the second quarter of twenty twenty so april to june increased by almost one hundred eighty eight percent now to be clear we define a security incident as events that caused violations in security policies that put sensitive data at risk so again cloud security incidents they nearly They nearly a doubled at a hundred and eight percent increase in that second. Quarter of two thousand twenty so just massive. Change in in terms of security incidents. That's kinda probably one of the big high level items that came out of the report. What sort of insights to you have on on the why as you know. What's what are the the the actual changes in people's behavior or opportunities or desires that that triggered the shift so when when organizations when when the cove relief i started to unfold this really caused many organizations yes because of work from home types of things they needed that rapid spin up of of basically compute that only cloud can offer and as organizations rapidly scaled their cloud usage We found that over all that there was a a massive increase in that. So for example. I'm only look at a certain industries. They that was very different. In terms of you know how they scaled their cloud usage but but overall we saw that most industries across the board rapidly scaled their actual cloud usage and one of the things that we dive into in the report is we don't just look at it globally. We actually dove into. How did it impact cloud security by region. How did impacted by industry. And what we saw was that as the scale their workloads unfortunately their cloud security incidents disproportionately increased. Well in really the the why behind that is that without automation sudden increases in cloud workloads lead to a dramatic growth insecurity incidents. And unfortunately that often leads to overwhelmed. Security teams overall is is are we at a state. Where the messages is hopeful that we feel like folks are getting on top of this or do you feel like we're slipping behind or are we treading water. We'll certainly in response to the pandemic. We were barely treading water and again in this was probably some of the some of the other interesting findings were that covid nineteen critical industries. They actually suffered a spike in security incidents right so we looked at from october of twenty nine thousand nine through february twenty twenty one of twenty one right is kind of a long period of time and we actually found that cloud security incidents for the retail manufacturing in government. Industries rose by four hundred two percent for for retail two hundred and thirty percent for manufacturing in two hundred five percent for the government. These are those same industries that were among those facing the greatest pressures to adapt and scale in the face of the pandemic retailers basic necessities and manufacturing and government for covid nineteen supplies. Eight so question. I would be asking is is if i was an attacker which industry poses the best risk reward in the answer is unfortunately retail manufacturing and government. They had huge bikes in cloud growth. But the also saw other incidents spike and this takes us back to kind of where we started. If you don't automate security security teams. We'll be overwhelmed and they will be barely treading water. That's matt kyodo from alto networks unit forty two. You can find the latest version of their cloud threat report on their website. There's a lot more to this conversation if you want to hear the full interview head on over to cyber wire pro and sign up for interview selects access to this and many more extended interviews. It's time to take a moment to tell you about our sponsor ninja show. Are you tired of boring. Cyber security awareness training power points. Don't keep your attention. Turn your team into cybersecurity. Ninjas by getting them ninja showed through animation micro learning episodes featuring celebrity actors ninja empowers individuals and organizations to obtain the skills habits and behaviors to truly become your last line of defense against cyber threats written and produced by hollywood writers and based on real life ripped from the headlines events millions of employees have come to love ninja with easy to remember security awareness lessons and teachable moments companies using ngo report addressed a decrease in cyber attacks based on human error. So head on over to ninja dot com. That's n. i n. J. i o dot com to learn more and watch their latest episode for free and we thank ngo for sponsoring our show. Pleased to be joined once again by thomas ethridge. He is senior vice president services at crowd strike. Thomas it's great to have you back I wanted to touch today on data protection in the cloud and how folks can best go about making sure that they're covered there. Can you share with us. Thanks dave's great to be back. Well talking about transformational projects and the push to the cloud. We've seen a tremendous amount of organizations move applications and infrastructure from traditional on premise model to cloud infrastructure. A lot due to. You know things like kovin. Moving workforce to work from home or work from anywhere models telemedicine online purchasing. All those things are driving bigger infrastructure. And the need for scale and that's pushing a lot of organizations to the cloud one of the things we are talking to our customers about I preach in many. That talks than i give are. The three m's around the security challenges those three m's miss configuration of cloud infrastructure mismanagement of cloud infrastructure and mistakes and those things are typically at the root or hard of most cloud breaches that krajisnik response to. Well i of folks go at Making sure that they're covered with us. Three m's there are a number of things that organizations can do. Technology is such as cloud. Posture management technology provides for capabilities to help automate the identification of issues and understand how to remediate those risks across many different types of cloud infrastructures including infrastructure as service software as a service platform as a service infrastructures. Security posture management provides spore being able to visualize risk and do assessments provide improved incident response capability and monitoring for compliance purposes as well as provide capabilities around devops integration and if implemented properly and monitored properly can help reduce false positive in uncover hidden threats. How much do you do. You find that When handling this transition to the cloud that you know folks sometimes don't have a good handle for everything they've got in their network. You know what. I'm thinking about everything. We've seen recently with the microsoft exchange server incident where there are folks out there who had exchanged servers writing and in the course of their cloud transition May have lost track of that absolutely so we recognize that skills are a big challenge especially for organizations that are moving very rapidly to the clown In addition to cloud posture management. Which i talked about there's additional capabilities that can provide some increased visibility and fidelity around what might be happening in your cloud environment. Increasing and having index free cloud log management capabilities implemented are key to being able to capture the necessary data to respond instantly or more effectively to to an incident when it does occur it allows for the ability to pinpoint areas of concern and to potentially recover from incidents when they happen. Another a big focus for us talking to our clients is around identity management In zero trust Zero trust architectures can help organizations verify the users in their environment Provide four segmentation in enforcement of the privilege least privilege principles and also can help you know analyze the it stack including what users you have in your environment. What are those users doing. What workloads are they Working from and what end points exist in that infrastructure as well are you. Seeing more and more organizations having served as new organizations are spun up are they are they doing business almost exclusively in the cloud. I mean seeing less of these sort of hybrid solutions. Kind of you know. Think legacy things that are that are holding on from the past. I think it's a mixed gave. A lot of organizations aren't able to forklift today with their on premise infrastructure. And move into the cloud. We talked about some of the resource constraints in terms of skills and expertise and the speed at which the business is moving so we still see a hybrid approach where there's certainly on premise infrastructure that still requires management and expertise at that level but as more allegations shift to cloud workloads. The skills in some cases don't translate and the same policies procedures and controls are different and require thoughtful thoughtful approach to to monitoring those two assessing the risk of those configurations and settings. As i said the three ams continue to be a problem for most organizations that we're called into support from a breach perspective. Miss configurations mismanagement and mistakes All right well thomas average. Thanks for joining us. Thanks thanks to all of our sponsors for making the cyber wire possible. And that's the cyber wire or links to today's stories check out our daily briefing at the cyber wire dot com. Be sure to check out this. 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2-10-21 What's News
"It's time for new coal sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network. Well it's a brand new weeks. Let's let's start with some good news. The biden administration. Monday morning announced it would provide protections against discrimination in healthcare based on gender identity and sexual orientation yup this reverses the policy of the former guy that had been a priority for social conservatives and had infuriated civil liberties advocates. The reversal is a victory for transgender. People and une does what had been a significant setback in the movement for lgbtq rights so this reversal pertains to healthcare providers and other organizations that receive funding from the department of health and human services civil rights groups had said the trump policy would allow healthcare workers and institutions as well as insurers to deny services to transgender individuals. No more well. It's also a new and busy week. As congress returns from recess to a lot of work on the table ostensibly to be dealt with before memorial day our infrastructure taxes police reform gun control january sixth commission capitol security election reform and china to name just a few and of course house. Republicans will oust liz cheney from her leadership role because she told the truth and they'll install elise stefanik because she shows sufficient fealty to their dear leader on the subject of police reform obviously a priority or something needs to be done house majority whip jim. Clyburn spoke on cnn. Sunday morning seemingly offering up something. That shouldn't be on the table minuted. Now then we'll come back and trying to get it. But i don't want to see us out bill because we can't president bill seriously if democrats backtrack on qualified immunity which so far. They've been unwilling to do. It could break the logjam on the bill. But progressives and police reform advocates are not going to like it and frankly if they don't fix this they fixed nothing. The next few days may prove critical here on election reform. The senate rules committee will mark up. S one the four of the people act on tuesday. Republicans hate this election reform. Bill and have already vowed to block it mitch. Mcconnell labeled it a power grab by democrats really mitch. Democrats for their part are furious with republican efforts to change state voting laws following trump's defeat as as happened in georgia florida now texas and others following suit. This one should be lively and on wednesday the house. Republican conference will vote to remove liz cheney as conference chair on the same day president biden and vice president kamala harris will have their first oval office meeting with the top. Four congressional leaders. Nancy pelosi kevin mccarthy chuck schumer and mitch. Mcconnell will gather to talk infrastructure and spending to be a fly on that wall. Some other things happening this week. Attorney general merrick garland and department of homeland security secretary alejandro. Marcus will appear before. The senate appropriations committee on wednesday to discuss domestic violent extremism in america on thursday. My orcas will also testify before the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee on unaccompanied minors at the southern border. And well for president biden. He just also has to make a decision about whether to re enter the iran. Nuclear deal on the covid front biden administration officials said sunday that the fight against the corona virus is well nearing a new phase in which vaccinated people will be able to return to an essentially normal life after a year of lockdowns and other extraordinary precautions. Just last week the administration said it was stepping up efforts to chip away at vaccine hesitancy which has slowed the national vaccination campaign. the administration is now aiming for seventy percent of american adults to have at least one dose july fourth so far where at about fifty eight percent of the us adult population. If you haven't yet get vaccinated. It's easier than ever in india. Health workers are racing to administer shots as hundreds of thousands of new cases. Continue to be reported. Every day. only about two point seven five percent of india's one point three billion people are fully vaccinated and then there's the tokyo olympics. Still supposed to go on this summer but japan's vaccine roll out is not going as quickly as the country anticipated and the prime minister said it's up to the international olympic committee to decide whether the games will go forward so you probably heard over the weekend about a cyber attack that forced the shutdown of the colonial pipeline that carries fuel from texas to new jersey while the ap on monday morning is reporting that it was the work of a russian criminal gang called dark side that claims to steal from wealthy companies and give a portion to charities the pipelines said it was undertaking an all hands on deck effort to reopen it and prevent fuel supply disruptions. They also said they're working on restoring their computer systems. It had been hit by a ransomware attack. In which hackers lock it systems by encrypting data and demand a ransom to restore the network colonial. Did not say whether it was paying ransom in a weird and unsettling story churchill downs. The side of the kentucky derby announced sunday that medina spirit the winner of the twenty twenty one kentucky derby tested positive for an anti inflammatory drug called bath medicine. it's a steroid not completely abandoned. Kentucky horse racing but the post race blood sample was found to have double the legal amount in response. Churchill down suspended trainer bob baffert from entering horses at the track. Though it appears medina spirit will be tested again so this win is still valid. If the findings are upheld has the horse will be stripped of its victory and mandal on the runner up will be crowned and for some reason. The former guy felt it necessary to weigh in on his new blog where he said that the kentucky derby winner is a junkie spelled j. u. n. k. y. Boy did we dot another bullet and finally the story. I dreaded telling there were at least nine mass shootings in the united states this weekend. Here's a sample. Six people were killed at a birthday party in colorado springs. The suspected shooter is believed to be a boyfriend of one of the victims. He thankfully turned the gun on himself. And he's also dead he just should have shot himself. I in new york's times square. A gunman opened fire hitting two women and a four year old girl who was taken to the hospital for immediate emergency surgery in kinloch missouri. Two people were killed in three others injured. When gunfire erupted at a park in phoenix. One person was killed in several injured after an altercation at a downtown hotel and this one didn't get the coverage as others didn't because i guess no one was killed but someone opened fire inside a crowded aventura mall in aventura florida in miami on sunday. Three people were injured. Hundreds terrorize me. Take away a girl and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nichole familar appreciate these reports. Nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. 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The Next Three Stages of COVID-19 (with Ashish Jha)
"Welcome in the bubble with anti slavic. Did you have a nice thing is giving was a few days ago now. Maybe you watch some football on. Tv maybe you zoom giving people. You had a little baby turkey. Hope you're doing well. I hope that if you are part of the healthcare profession things going okay. And you're getting a breather and know that we're grateful for your work. I hope that if you have someone in your family who is suffering a little bit sick or anything icty depression. Anything else that things get better and they get better soon. We have a show today with. She's jar as she. she's a dark. he's the dean of the school of public. Health at brown is a professor of health services policy and practice. And we're going to talk about what we're going to experience next the three stages that are coming with covid nineteen. That's where we're going to talk about the three next stages with someone who is not only sparta to have some ideas about that but also discredit who's willing to stick himself out there and you'll see There's a great invitation in this show that he sends to you. I think you should take him up on. I know i will. It has to do with something over the summer. okay. Let's turn it on to sheesh before i do by the way if you're listening on stitcher premium or you're interested in listening central premium. I am taping some extra shows that for that platform. Where i answer your questions. I did know that so. Check it out. those are fun shows. I play music out by phone and the show. If you wanna listen if that doesn't entice you will all right. Here's a she's hello. How are you good. How are you good. I'm looking forward to this conversation. And and who knows. We might end up having a good time. I bet we will. We will able to have a better time when you had last last week. I think you're like i'm thinking of you. And i have this image of you is like the defender of all truth and freedom. You should have been wearing a cape. Oh my god you know it was. It was among the most serbia experiences of my life right. I mean we've all testified for congress like plenty of witnesses. I disagree with but you generally tend to respect people and you say okay. I see we have different rows. We have different values. That's not what was happening here. And i think in some ways. I didn't really appreciate what was happening until well. After the event was over. I walked into a superspreader event misinformation superspreader event. And i didn't see it coming. I have to tell you and it has certainly made me smarter. I won't do that again but it was a very interesting thing. Let's let's back up and tell people we're talking to medicated and see it. And by the way the so. The senate which committee wasn't security and government affairs homeland security government affairs and for those who don't know the majority has the right to structure whatever hearings they want and they structured a on the most important topic of our times Considering the global pandemic crisis right which would be making sure we have enough hydroxy corporate so of all of the things that our department of homeland security committee thinks is important right now at this very second it's accessed hydroxy corcoran which scares me more than everything else. By the way so described the setup describe the structure. What what you into. Yeah so you know. I got a call from the minority staff saying the homeland security committee is having this hearing. It's about early therapies. Early outpatient therapies. Which i think are important. And they said to be perfectly asking him to focusing on hydroxychloroquine. I said that's not how i would do it. But i understand that. I'm not getting to set the agenda. And they said we were on roof. You'd be willing to be a witness and any. My general feeling in life has ban when congress calls you say yes like you have to have a very compelling reason to say no so i said yes and you know an expected a conversation about evidence and data around Around early therapies. And maybe hydroxy corkman is an important part of that and what happened was when i found out who the other three witnesses were. They were all three who have been pushing a drowsy since april and they're part of a network of individuals who still very much believe that basically we can make this pandemic away and everybody could be cured if everybody just gotta hydroxychloroquine and it's a very very nice narrative just turned out to be wrong. But it's a it's a very attractive one. And somehow they have managed to get ron. Johnson the senator from wisconsin to hold a hearing and it was those three individuals all of our physicians and me and they laid out a case for hydroxychloroquine. That was much more about personal anecdote. And and the intermittent sprinkling of bad data and then. I stood up and try to explain. Why like we really do need to let evidence got signs guide us and it felt like we were having totally separate conversations so you made a really interesting observation about how we live in. These news bubbles. Which of course you know. It's sort of a potential theme to our podcast and the bubble right. Which is that. We all have these. But this is quite a lar-. I mean these guys absolutely believe this. This is not something that they're doing for profit. Or i mean these are people who absolutely one hundred percent believe that this one drug is the thing that would arrest this entire pandemic which by the way some of them don't even believe the pandemic exist but that's another story. Yeah they believe the to the senate pandemic is real at all. It's so easily defeatable and know the absolutely believe it and people ask. What's their motive. Is it a profit. Motive sat a profit motive cheap drug. It's a world view that gets reinforced over and over again. And you have to. You have to find yourself. In that information bubble to understand their worldview. And it's all self reinforcing. It's a small group that you reinforce it for each other and they believe very deeply in this stuff it's not and so anything that doesn't comply with that is wrong and problematic and they have explanations for why every randomized trial has failed the explanations for why every observational study. That's been successful. is the right answer. This is a trap. Any of us could fall into these guys have really nail down. It's a very fair point. You make about all of us checking to make sure we don't because we all occasionally do sort of believe something first and then get confirmed. I would like to think not not to this extent but there are people out there who would refute that masks work and and other things and for the record. You do agree that i drive. Clerking lived in fact. Cure this pandemic correct. Oh my god. We should start now. And i think by the end of the week before the Everybody can celebrate christmas. It's it's i think the other part of this that's important so first of all i do agree that while we all are susceptible There are ways of checking yourself in. It's important to do that. But i also think it's important to understand that we have to find ways of engaging people outside of our own information bubble if we're going to have a in some ways of functioning democracy and this was really riffing on a comment that president obama where he said if we don't have the same kind of set of facts then it's very hard to have a marketplace of ideas and it's very hard to have a functioning democracy and that by the way means all of us have an obligation to engage with people who live in different information bubbles. And that's a fundamentally hard thing to do. Well look i just have to say just before we go onto other more more topics but look i think the the example you set buying showing engaging and being polite considered the views isn't really another important reminder that i just wanted to call you out for which is that just because we disagree with people doesn't make them bad people doesn't make them our enemies it doesn't make them the reason why we're in this pandemic and you know i think people all of us have a little bit of pinup hostility right and we put it. Do we blame the other side. We blame the president. Blame our governor. Who blame the chinese. Do we blame governor cuomo depending on who you are and where you sit. We're used to finding someone to blame. And it's very hard to blame this little pathogen and so you know what there are bad things out there. And sometimes that's where there and the test we failed is probably that we turned on ourselves. And the pathogen. Just eat that up. Yeah no absolutely. And that's the that's the challenge in front of us is to not do that. And it's interesting one last thing about this before we move on as in that hearing so with all this sort of personal attack on me. And then ron johnson essentially invited me to attack the other three witnesses. He basically said you know you're sitting there in your ivory tower. Do you just not find these people credible. Do you think these people are lying. I was going to take that bait. Good for these folks are smart. I'm sure they care about the right things. I just wrong but that doesn't make them bad people But it is hard when you're right when we find ourselves in that position and i think all of us and i'm not trying to be a hero. I'm sure i've done this badly many times but it is important to try to keep focusing on the topics and issues engage people as humans and respect them even if you disagree with them. It's good you keep asking yourself these questions because you have this sort of responsibility in only in the sense that if you choose to a lot of people are looking for guidance not just on what to believe but on how to understand these issues and how to think about the various points of view and the humidity and i don't just mean like the false humility with rich. You know we sometimes talk about humility but the ability with which you really don't understand so many many things in control that i think is is really point. I found over time. And i by no means perfect. It's either but i think people people listening to this show. They want a couple of things they want to be. Told the straight story like planning straight story. Don't they don't know pulled punches. No look at the glass half full. They're tired too tired of that. This is one of the truth. What some guidance on what to do about it. What does this mean what. What's actionable about this. What should i do. They want to know what we know what we don't know they don't need it breathlessly. Panicky people. I think one life life does go on. We can deal with these problems and to the extent that there is a a legitimate light at the end of the tunnel centers. Legitimate hope that people want want that explain. And that's it. I mean to me if you can guard and hit that mark in your on cable and you do such a good job at it just explaining it. Thoughtfully et cetera. That way people crave it because they haven't been getting it yeah and it's ultimately just about treating people with respect Being honest with them. And then i'm giving it to them straight and now for something we'd like to call advertising. Let's talk about where we are and where we go We're having this conversation. Yeah we're we're pushing up to december. We're about to enter the heart of winter. And i want to talk about the three phases of what comes next or however. We're gonna talk about that but maybe start just ground ground us in context. Where do we stand in the life of this pandemic right now. Yeah he always say that it gets starkest before dawn. This is the darkest. I've been an optimist throughout this pandemic that optimism as a definitely times Got me into trouble. But it's hard to be optimistic about the very short crime. The very short run. What do i mean next. Six to eight weeks just gonna be really hard. Number of infections in the country are very i. My best guess is five to six hundred thousand. Americans are getting infected every day. We're identifying hundred. Fifty hundred and eighty thousand of them. But how familiar were getting infected. Every day everybody missing out spreading it to others as you know. Hospitals are in a lot of trouble and a lot of places and one of the things that i think is a is an issue in scott outlets who's also quite impressive spreading misinformation and other people often point number of hospital beds and say oh sought twenty percent hospital that free. It's not the beds so people the nurses the doctors the respiratory therapist. We're running out of the running out of our ability to add a lot more and you. There's no there's no ability to make more on the short well. Let's let's also talk about the difference between at hospital near capacity in boston versus a rural hospital. Three hours west in western massachusetts getting filled up. Yeah i mean. They are very different situations right and in boston. You have all of this kind of built up search capacity in your community. There are a lot of doctors like me who are twenty percent docks but who could become the one hundred percent docks for researchers who you pull out of the lab but who can do this. You've got a ton of resources for planning and And so. I don't worry so much that boston hospitals will ultimately become incapable of taking care of people in western massachusetts. You're the only hospital. You don't have a large base of of providers you can turn to to surge everybody who can't take care of has got gotta get in an ambulance or or a flight and go several hours which raises the bar of. Will you can set and if somebody's to critically ill you can't send up. It becomes and very different set of problems. And you get one outbreak in your community and let's say seven of your nurses get infected antenna. More are quarantined host. Your whole hostile can't function so you're much more on kind of a razor's edge in terms of your ability to withstand shocks and. That's what we're seeing right. That's what we're seeing in. So much of the midwest is these rural hospitals these rural areas just in big trouble. The next six weeks are gonna be very hard. So i promised this audience that we would talk about what the next stages are going to look like coming out of this. So we've got six to eight weeks as you've said where it's going to be winter. People are going to be indoors to be a lot of spread. Vaccines will not be quite rollout. But we'll have some as i assume. Okay so take us through if you can sort of glimpse into the future because i think people are wondering if they get to twenty twenty one is what's it all gonna feel like and what. What are the things that we're going to go through as a country to get back to wherever we're going to get back to. Yeah so there different ways you could mark time but let me start to say okay. So we pretty tough december january by the end of january into february. I am hopeful that things start turning out and i'm hopeful that things started turning around in for two reasons one is. I do think that we will have more and more testing available. And i think like i believe we're gonna have a lot more testing available and what that does is. It creates a space to be able to do schools more comfortably to feel more comfortable on what's happening in nursing homes so these pockets of places that are very very special for our society. That are really important. Start being able to put heck much more aggressive way. So i think that across sort of the mcgann i think the amount of testing we'll have available by the january and a lot of it will depend on how much the by team can do during transition what congress can do in terms legislation. So those things go well. And i'm hopeful they will. We could have three or four x number of tests we now and that really is not means sixty eight million. Today it is at the number of tests or also the type of test. It's important to you in that in the thought process. I mean this way. They'll take tests. And even if majority of those are antigen tests. That's fine perfectly. Good for surveillance. But i suspect we'll have pcr. We'll have Jan will have a next generation genomic sequencing there's a bunch of testing kind of modalities crisper crisper. Base has will be amazing if we can have them by that and really what we're going to have is almost a menu and then they'll be some really interesting complicated questions like how to deploy them. And who do you. What test you deploy again. Things that i wish. We had had guidance from the white house. The cdc guidance is going to certainly come under a biden team. But it's not bunch of us have developed some ideas of how you deploy these things but that alone. I think we'll start making a difference but the second thing that will start making a difference as we finished. January and get into february. Is vaccinations and i know it will still be early. And i don't want to overstate how much vaccines will help by the end of january. But you know monsef salau either ahead of operation warp speed yesterday. He thought that fifty million americans could be vaccinated by the end of january. And i don't think that's a crazy number. I think that's again. A lot has to go right but that is within the realm of of reasonable of possible. And you got fifty million bucks. That's about sixteen. Seventeen percent will have. Probably twenty percent of americans will have gotten infected and recovered by then. Those numbers are going to overlap a little bit but even if we're at thirty percent immunity again. Let's be very clear. We're not talking about herd immunity at thirty percent but it starts help it is slowing down the spread. It starts making a difference. And i see february as like the month where things you can see the trajectory of this of this pandemic change and it starts heading in the right direction. Still lots of problems but february-march better and april and may. I'm hoping we get to high levels of vaccinations. There's so much work to be done to make that happen and not just distribution logistics all the confidence building the engagement with communities the finding the right voices to talk about vaccines. I mean just the campaign that needs to be led and executed by A biden administration is daunting but everything i've seen of them. They've got really terrific people. They're willing to put those people in the right spots. So i'm feeling a little bit bullish on execution abilities and so look even if you're off by a couple of months right. He said burberry march couple. Things go wrong you know. You're you're talking first. Half of the year with a little bit of play you could see as being in a place by then where thirty percent plus of the population could be vaccinated. And of course the weather will will be on our side a little bit at least not unless except in maybe the southern parts of the country right. I expect in july to be able to have a barbecue outside of my house and have fifteen twenty people over not be freaking out trying to get people to make little distance. Maybe a little amid mass snowmass. We can talk about that If they come into my hat inside the house definitely mask but maybe outside booked july. That's a pretty optimistic july fourth. I think it's doable. It's all execution at this point. And it's all it's all also communication information trust-building. How much are you worried about. People getting ahead of themselves on the timing in other words. If this were synchronized swimming you'd get people will be following clear directives from cdc in local and state health commissioners. There's also world under which people are very tired as they progress. They see cases. Start to dip a jump back in governors who are basically barely able to hold the ship together at this point so could could that create setbacks. Yeah absolutely and you know one of these. I've over over time as i've talked for instance to the biden team. I've said to them that they should expect. Actually some level of like for years to three years. I mean it's not we're not the pandemic is gone the virus doesn't just magically go away but let's talk about february march april where describing life is starting to get better. The pressure on governor still like restaurants bars is going to be immense. And so this is where i think like why started with testing on top of vaccines because i think with really widespread testing availability. It will allow us to do certain things opened up certain things more readily. I mean i'd love to get to a point by march where you can get a ten minute. Fifty minute antigen tests before you go to the restaurant. See to show up fifteen minutes early and it's five bucks. Do you have any hope for these. These newfangled things that are getting tested like the breathalyzers and the dogs and all those things. I love the dog idea because we got a dog about a year ago. And i think i have come to believe we were. We did have one before that. I've come to believe magical. So i love that idea. There's a lot of technology stuff that passes through my. You know my inbox of cool things i got. I haven't seen anything. That really is convincing. I think the stuff michael minutes been talking about around these rapid strep test that that makes much more sense to me. He's been a he's been on the show so people might want to go back and listen. He's really been impressive about this. And and and has been a great voice for how to use rapid tests to drive down things so my hope is that as pressure builds on governors. Two things will happen first of all. I really do hope that congress gets more money out to states part of what's really driving. The governor's phase have no money and they're getting a lot of pressure and we've kind of preserved these places. I don't want every restaurant and bar to shut down forever. I don't want those workers to be struggling so if we can find resources to help folks get through the next three to six months yet. We'll be much much better spot but no doubt about it. They'll be places in too fast. It'll do too much bill see outbreaks and they're going to have to manage that so it'll be a little bouncy okay so then we'll get to the to the second half of the year we'll out fourth of july you'll have your barbecue. Thank you for the invitation accent. Absolutely where does it go from there. What does it feel like from there. So i think there will be certain things. That'll still feel pretty tough right. So i've been thinking about is what in the fall of twenty twenty one. What will not feel like the fall of twenty nine hundred and large. Indoor gatherings will continue to be a real challenge. I can think of concerts nightclubs things where you pack him. You know couple thousand people into a couple of hundred people into a tight spot. Those will be hard and we will have to think about manage them and again my take is the thing that buys us out of those allows us to do them as testing and then the question will be if you go to a concert. Jetta where is everybody. Have to wear a mask. And i don't know the answer to that yet but it won't be totally normal. Sure couple of thoughts and tell me to these one is that we're using numbers of quite literally hundreds of thousands of cases in a day and managing a couple hundred thousand cases. A day is like a raging forest fire on every side. the by the way is invisible. So you don't know where you don't know where to even point the hose. You can imagine being down to a place where guide we have a community that has an outbreak of six people. You know and and were you stated seeing numbers like that and all of a sudden you actually have tools. You have testing you have contact. Tracing you can isolate people god willing. You can give people some paid medical leave in this country So that if they're sick they don't have to go in fact other people so for one. What you're talking about is a world where we're at zero. But we're talking about a world where the major outbreaks scare you but small infections here and there a handful of people here and there well of course we want to prevent them just wanna prevent any illness. That's a very different volume totally and what it does is it allows you for instance to be able to use your therapeutics. A a very different way like monoclonal. Antibodies i can imagine. We'll have plenty of doses at that point that you get an outbreak you swamp that whole area with testing of everybody south korea style and everybody who's positive guests their doses of monoclonal antibodies. And you prevent almost every hospitalization and one or two people hospitalized treatments. So you can do that prophylactically. You can do it prophylactically. Anybody who's been exposed interesting. We'll have to see where the date on that. Come out. But i'm optimistic and it it is. It's a different ballgame because as you said we've been building a bunch of tools but the tools are not for a rain fire. The tools are really effective. When you have like these little controlled outbreaks where you just can go in and you swamp it okay. So let me see this next question. So i actually use the term and i was talking to time. Ingles be so you. Tell me if this makes sense to you or not. It's a question of when can presume innocence versus presuming guilt and think this is a fundamental question. And what i mean by that. i'll explain. Is i run into on the street. You're not wearing a mask today. I have no choice. But to presume guilt i back up. Six feet asked to put on a mask. Avoid you whenever anybody. I meet because there's so much community. Spread your safer to assume that to me. There's a like a crossover point. Where at some point. You're like you know what i can. Now assume innocence. I run in to. She's in the street and my my assumption is it would be so unlikely that he would be infected that yes maybe he and i won't shake cans the way we used to. Maybe we'll take a couple of the precautions just because you know what shaking heads. We never really sure why we did it anyway. But you see where i'm going is. That feels like a way of describing a normalcy. And i even avoid saying normalcy because i think the world is going to evolve and we'll things change things adapted cetera and believe it or not viruses are part of the normal world. We've been we've just been blasted we've seen a lot of it. When do you see that happening. It's a good question It will depend a law. Andy on love. Also vaccinations in your community. Because this is going to be very spotty right. So i can imagine communities where you get ninety ninety five percent vaccination and he started assuming a bit of normalcy radio or bed of innocent. Whatever your said blink. Innocence versus guilt idea right. So could i imagine in eastern massachusetts that ninety percent of people are vaccinated by the end of the summer. I could so next fall. I run into somebody from you know lives in boston and i wanted to them in the street And we're outside. i. I can imagine right. You said may not hug may not shake their hands but may assume that with low low levels transmission of the community their vaccinated and unvaccinated. And we both gotten ninety five percent effective vaccines. I think it's. It's probably reasonable in early fall next year to say were okay. What a. tom ingles pizza. When you think he'd i didn't ask him the question. I didn't ask him the question. But i did ask them whether or not. That was way the inappropriate way of describing the kind of flip we were looking for and he and he he said he he thought it was unlike you and tom. I'm not a science guy. And i'm not a good science student so i feel like part of my job on. The show is okay. I want to talk to really smart scientists and the news really dumb analogies to make sure that i understand it and then if i do that then people on the show who have various degrees of interest in background in science can hopefully go. Look i got an before slamming. Did i was right there with. But i'm glad he broke it down for you know the rest of the people who didn't i. I hope it's i hope it's a and the summer early fall but look they're gonna be communities in america where vaccination rates are going to be thirty forty percent and in those communities. If you're if i get on an airplane and go to those places dot knocking soon right right. Don't go anywhere we've gotta go earn some money to donate to charity. Let's go let's label these stages we've got this. Basically hella winter stage. Then we have kind of the rising spring fireworks for the fourth of july. Those are milestone pointers. That we're going to remember. You promised the american public that they can ever barbecue on the fourth of july. No ifs ands or buts. You're guaranteeing it. I you know this is totally taken to. The is is a bad idea but yes i promise and i am as confident as i am and i have no business being being so but i'll say it i think we're gonna have by january four or five vaccines lots and lots of doses and it is as i said it's all execution at that point and they're really complicated execution issues. I do not mean to minimize some but you know there are many reasons to be critical of the of the trump teams response to me this beyond the misinformation and the underplaying was going to be a little harsh like sheer incompetence. A lot of the people running the response and that is one place where again reasonable people can disagree about the role of government. But we all agree. Everybody agrees unit affective government on things where you want the government engaged everything. I have seen out of the biden team. gives me confidence that they're gonna put in competent people who are gonna be able to execute effectively and if they do and so. I'm part of it. Is betting on that. Then i see by. May the anybody who wants vaccine can get one and i see by july fourth communities where vaccine acceptance is high ninety plus percent say ninety percent of eighty ninety percent vaccination rates and boy. That'll make a massive difference so barbecue at my house at your house and then we wouldn't even need that high of acceptance rates given the effectiveness. Vaccines proved to be effective start. Six sixty seventy percent would be great but if january you can get anybody can get a test and by march april. I think you said anybody can get a do say. May you said may people can get a vaccine. If they want one that would that would be incredible progress. By the way. I would agree with you which you when you said about the the. The biden folks is first of all the values you look for our compassion competence and honesty. And i will tell you that you know this because you you were around dur- during different administrations. There's a cultural tone about what's acceptable that that is really set at the top. And it's said by the president said by the chief of staff or claimed it's it'll be set by the various other members of the miseration. But you wouldn't dream of doing something dishonest. As part of the obama administration. You'd make a mistake and honest mistake. You'd ask for help you'd get support you wouldn't feel great to screw up but would never worry. No one would. I ever met at least do anything in the least bit. Dishonest or untrustworthy. I think biden those three characteristics people who are competent people have compassion. People who are honest are there. And then i think the then becomes about believe it or not because they have such a high quality people terrl about organization. It's entirely about discipline in decision making and reps with one another and the message. I keep delivering to them is just work together. A lot in teams so you get comfortable with each other. You know who's doing what. And this is where i think. The choice of claim as chief of staff is such a good choice because he just brings that in a very very good way from what. I've observed during his time doing the boa crisis. I to know ron through the bullet stuff over. The years have turned to him for advice about a bunch of stuff. We were doing on pandemic and pandemic response at harvard. Just before i left there. And he's frigging brilliant but beyond that and as you said he cares deeply about the right stuff but guy who believes deeply that government can do good and that it is important to use the levers of government effectively to do in the world. It just sort of sense when you talk to them and this is why when pressure mama got a lot of crap for picking run. Lola zarka growing. He's not an infectious disease. Guy at this. The sense i had from president obama back was he's like i've got an infectious disease. Guys tony falcon. And he's really good and i don't need somebody to atop tony on infectious disease. But i need somebody who can meet the government pull in the same direction all the different agencies all the different parts so that we're effective in getting what we need to get done. And that's ron. And ron is probably the single biggest reason. I think i can have a barbecue at my house in july. And i mean he because he will make sure that the team. That's doing this because it's going to be priority like one. The team that's doing this is good. That's an and compassionate and honest but really good and that is what gives me faith. This is a really interesting feeling. Because you said i think very well when you said that the times are darkness before the dawn. But what's interesting is that expression. At least as i've come use it is usually you when you don't know when don's coming in and you just have to remind yourself and this is how it fell two months ago that it's going to get darker and darker but eventually it will break. This is actually a really interesting occasion. Case where we actually have quite a bit of confidence people like yourself and eric topol and many of the other people. We've had scientists david augusta. That's on on the show that we are in fact going to see the done pretty quickly but we are also very confident of how dark it will be until this a really unusual feeling to see both of those things at the same time but i hope that people really use the fact that we are going to get through this now. It's not that much longer than next. Thanksgiving will be the best thanksgiving. Maybe people hopefully ever had in their lives. Because it'll be reunited with family. It's so forth that you're seven hundred and fifty percent barbecue on the fourth of july is going gangbusters twenty. Yes you better tell you. You'd better tell your wife. Because i think about sixty seventy thousand people will listen to the podcast. And so you'll get probably like a one percent yield you get seven hundred years under. We'll put your address in the showed. Get in the road now. Instead of driving the middle of june and i assume we can spend the night if we get their little early absolutely figuring out. I mean. we'll have people bringing bags. People were bunk everywhere. I'll be great. Pretense bring sleeping bags bring marshmallows. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you glad you came on be. Well stay well okay. Let's all pack our stuff and get ready to go to. She has for fourth of july. I know that will be. Maybe we'll do a live broadcast of in the bubble from she's barbecue number. Be really fixated on that now because you could tell when you talk to him that he was hitting that. He wanted me to come over right. I mean it seemed like he was getting so. I just jumped. I jumped on that. I don't like to be rude. Of course i don't know where he lives. And i'm sure he's not gonna tell me but that's okay anyway. Let me tell you. What's coming up wednesday. We have a show about what's going on in. Us hospitals right now with a fabulous emergency room doctor from her island. She's at brown. Name is meghan randy and this is where the center of action is right now. It's ground zero. Following monday will be. I'm going to go out and limits at your favorite not in the bubble episode. Ever not podcast episode ever. Maybe one of your favorite moments on the planet. Maybe if you had if he had the birth of a child or something that could rival it vaccine distribution episode where. We are going to tell you everything you need to know about when the vaccines are coming how to get them etc and then on wednesday laurie. Garrett who is one of the world's leading experts on pandemics We're going to get a good picture of where we are until then I will talk to you once. Say thanks for sticking with me. Thanks for listening in the bubble. Hope you rate is highly. We're a production of lemonade media. Chrissy and alex produced to show. Our mix is by my son's acts lab at his meritous co host and onsite producer. Improved by the much better. 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Monitor Show 12:00 09-20-2020 12:00
"So. Fast of Bloomberg BusinessWeek Every Business Day market sell that's spreading around the globe the Bloomberg BusinessWeek podcasts were Carol Massar and Jason Kelly. Let's see the Bloomberg BusinessWeek bite at Carol Magoo's breaking global business. Finance INTECH. News along with smart analysis. We know the Fed is going to be sure and steady. Bloomberg BusinessWeek podcast has great great scoop on the Terminal Listen Today on bloombergradio dot com the Bloomberg business APP or subscribe on Apple podcasts financial capital of the world twenty four hours a day at Bloomberg Dot com on the Bloomberg business APP and Bloomberg. A nomination hearing for acting, Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf is set for Wednesday Brian shook reports, the Senate Homeland Security, and Governmental Affairs Committee made the revelation Friday president trump recently said, he planned to nominate Wolf to take on that post permanently in August the Government Accountability Office revealed Wolf's assignment to his position was unethical wealth has been tasked with that role since November of last year president trump says Oracle and Walmart will give a lot of money to educate Americans on the real history of the United States. It's going to be an incredible combination and I said, you know your favorite could you put up five? Billion Dollars into a fund for education. So he can educate people as to real history of our country, the real history. The president told the North Carolina rally that the companies agreed so fast he felt he should have asked for more the president says he would support the deal for Oracle.
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive voices network every Thursday morning the Labor Department reports. The previous week's jobless claims last week another two point. Four million workers filed new claims for a total of thirty eight point. Six million Americans who've now applied for unemployment assistance over the past nine weeks. Just for comparison sake the largest weekly number of unemployment claims filed before the pandemic it was six hundred ninety five thousand back in October of nineteen eighty two in other devastating numbers. The World Health Organization on Wednesday reported a hundred and six thousand new corona virus cases in the previous twenty four hours making it the most in a single day. Since the outbreak began and on Thursday morning we pass the tragic milestone of five million cases the worldwide death toll reached three hundred twenty eight thousand three hundred and sixty eight with ninety three thousand four hundred thirty nine deaths in the US alone and according to new estimates from Columbia University disease monitors the researchers estimate that if the US had begun imposing social distancing measures just one week earlier in March. About thirty six thousand. Fewer people would have died if the country had begun locking down cities and limiting social contact on March first two weeks earlier than when most people started staying home. A vast majority of the nation's deaths about eighty three percent would have been avoided. Take a bow Mr President. You wear this as a badge of honor right in other news. The Supreme Court on Wednesday temporarily blocked the House Judiciary Committee from obtaining secret grand jury materials from former special counsel Robert Muller's investigation. The committee issued an emergency request for the files last summer. The D. C. Federal Appeals Court ruled in their favor in March but the supreme court. This week ruled that the House panel could not access the material including redacted portions of Muller's report until the White House and the Justice Department had time for a full appeal that will likely prevent the materials from being released until after the twenty twenty elections and as trump escalates is obama gate attacks. The Republican led Senate is playing along with his nonsense. The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Wednesday. Voted eight to six along. Party lines to subpoena the lobbying firm Blue Star strategies they were consultant to Burris Barista Ukrainian gas company that paid Hunter Biden to serve on its board as the Republicans ramp up their investigations tied to the Obama Administration and Hunter Biden and instead of dealing with our national health emergency. That's left millions of Americans out of work and worrying about health insurance. Senate Republicans move forward confirming another judicial nominee. A guy named Corey Wilson. Who is on record as having called the affordable care act quote illegitimate perverse and Liberal? Utopia dictated healthcare seriously in two twenty twelve Wilson called same sex marriage quote and attempt to cast Republicans as intolerant uncaring and even bigoted all right in two thousand sixteen is the state legislature. He voted for what has been dubbed. The nation's most extreme anti LGBTQ law way to go Republicans and it's Thursday. Donald Trump's going in Michigan a state not only dealing with historic record unemployment challenges but also a five hundred year flood is two dams were breached. Oh and the loss of more than five thousand residents to the covid nineteen pandemic so trump is gonNA visit Ford Motor Company's Ross Ville components plant in if slanty which has been reconfigured to manufacture P despite strict mask requirements at the plant trump has refused to commit to wearing one. But there's more news out of Michigan as of Monday. Three hundred thirty four corrections officers from the Michigan Department of Corrections of tested positive for covid nineteen though they say the true figure is thought to be much higher because the department is conducted very limited testing and on top of all of this Donald Trump on Wednesday threatened to withhold federal funds from Michigan and Nevada. To if these states follow through on plans to expand voting by mail trump falsely accused. The two states voter fraud. He accused Michigan of sending mail in ballots to its residence which aides later acknowledged was not true Michigan Secretary of state registered voters ballot applications only an increasingly common practice among state election officials. Trump later corrected. His tweeted allegations against Michigan. But continue to accuse the secretary of state there of acting illegally. Nevada's Republican Secretary of State has also declared the state's primary to be a nearly all male election so all registered voters in that state are getting bouts and of course. Michigan is still reeling from those two breached. Dams causing major flooding and destruction. Governor Gretchen. Whitmer saying Wednesday that the state will hold people responsible for these dams failures. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler if you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. 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Democrats Call on Postmaster General to Testify About Mail Delays
"Brought to you by lucky charms, magical mission, let lucky the Leprechaun take you and your kids on an interactive adventure through the eight magical charm lands to restore magic available on your smart. Speaker just say open lucky charms, magical mission or search for it wherever you listen to podcasts. Debbie. Democrats call on Postmaster General to testify about concerns. Mail delays are jeopardizing the integrity of the election. High Ranking Democrats are calling on the postmaster general to testify before an emergency oversight hearing in the House of Representatives later this month to address voting concerns lawmakers are worried about the US postal services ability to process an expected influx of mail in ballots this fall stemming from the lingering corona virus pandemic. On Sunday Democrats summoned Postmaster General Louis Joy and Robert Duncan chairman of the postal service. Board of Governors to testify at a hearing about changes at the Postal Service before the House Committee on oversight and Reform on August twenty fourth. The postmaster. General on top Postal Service, leadership must answer to the Congress and the American people as to why they are pushing these dangerous new policies that threatened to silence the voices of millions just months before the election according to a joint statement from Democratic Congressional. Leaders Including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. A Postal Service spokesperson declined to comment on the calls Ford to joy and Dunkin to testify on August twenty fourth. The letter from Democrats which included Representative Carolyn. B. Maloney the House Oversight Chair and Senator Gary See Peters a ranking member of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee which oversees the Postal Service also accused did joy of aiding President Donald Trump in attempts to make it harder to vote the letter expressed concerns about the recent sweeping and dangerous operational changes that the postal service that are slowing the mail and jeopardizing the integrity of the election. Trump has said his resistance to funding the Postal Service is tied Jew his desire to curb mail voting efforts. They need that money in order to have the post office work. So it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. The president said in a Fox business network interview Thursday. But if they don't get those two items that means you can't have universal mail in voting because they are not equipped to have. The Postal Service sent notice forty six states and the district of Columbia that voters ballots may not be counted on time. Even if they are mailed in by state deadlines, concerns have also been raised about the removal of mail collection boxes prior to November's election which have been documented with alarm on social media. A- Postal Service spokesperson said, the agency would postponed removing collection boxes for a period of ninety days because of recent customer concerns. High Ranking Democrats have ramped up criticism over mail delays and its potential impact on voting in the last week. Schumer said in press conference Sunday that he would introduce legislation to ensure that all election male be treated as first class overtime pay be restored staffing shortages because of covid nineteen be resolved with replacement workers and mail sorting machines that have been destroyed be put back to use on Friday congressional Democrats sent a ten page letter to joy after trump's refusal to approve an emergency funding package that included twenty, five, billion dollars for the postal service. They also requested additional information about the reason for policy changes that would slow down the mail noting the potentially harmful effects on voting as well as possible dangerous delays in receiving prescription medicines and other essential goods. Two days earlier congressional Democrats sent a separate letter to joy and expressed concern that he is implementing policies that accelerate the crisis at the postal service including directing post offices to no longer treat all election mail as first class. Meanwhile, the postal services internal watchdog is looking into recent policy changes and ethics issues related to joy following a request for a review from Senator Elizabeth Warren CNN first reported.
August 21, 2020: Joe Biden accepts nomination, says he'll be an 'ally of the light, not the darkness'
"We get support from net suite by Oracle the cloud based business management software that gives you the visibility and control you need to grow keep listening after the show to find out more about their special offer for five things listeners. Good Morning I'm Taylor Wilson, and this is five things you need to know Friday. The Twenty First of August twenty twenty here are some of the top headlines Former White House strategist. Steve Bannon has been charged with fraud in connection to a border wall fundraising effort that raised more than twenty five million dollars. He is the seventh former adviser of President Donald Trump to be criminally charged Americans who filed their twenty nineteen federal income tax returns. On time should expect a refund this week the IRS and Treasury Department will send payments with an average of eighteen dollars to some thirteen point nine million taxpayers file their returns by this year's July fifteenth deadline and Minnesota Timberwolves have won the NBA draft lottery. They'll have the chance to pick I in the NBA draft, which will take place on October sixteenth the Golden State. Warriors. will go second followed by the Charlotte Hornets at number three. Reminder can stay up with all things. Five things on twitter at USA Today podcast there. You can also check out stuff from other USA Today shows. That's at USA Today podcast on twitter now onto the show. The Twenty Twenty Democratic National Convention wrapped up on Thursday night as former Vice President Joe Biden accepted the nomination for president hair. Now, I give you my word. If, you entrust me with the presidency. I will draw the best of not the worst. I'll be ally of the light, not the darkness. It's time for us for we the people to come together. And make no mistake. United we can and will overcome. This season of darkness in America. WE'LL CHOOSE HOPE OVER FEAR Facts over fiction fairness over privilege. I'm a proud Democrat. And I'll be proud to carry the banner of our Party into the general election. So, as great honor and humility I accept this nomination for president of the United States of America Atlanta Mayor. Kisha bottoms, also spoke encouraging people to vote. Libertad has now been passed to each of us. We've cried out for justice. We have gathered in our streets to demand change, and now we must pass on the Gif John. Lewis sacrificed to give us we must register and we must vote. There those who are disgracefully using this pandemic to spread misinformation and interfere with voting. Forcing many. In twenty twenty. Two. Still, risk their lives to exercise your sacred right to vote as election season shifts into high gear president. Donald Trump has also hit the campaign trail. This week he spoke in Scranton Pennsylvania Joe Biden's birthplace on Thursday the same day Biden accepted the nomination trump touted the economy despite a rise in first time unemployment claims and dismal economic reports. I'm GonNa never let you down. And they will let you down there will let you down first of all the country will be let down because the country you will see a crash like you've never seen before and as good as stock market numbers are there's a headwind they had one is that if he won the baucus going to crash following the Democratic National Convention, the Republicans will hold their convention next week. Postmaster General Louis Joy will testify on Friday before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee the Postal Service has been criticised recently for operational changes and cuts the service that lawmakers say may hurt its ability to handle a surge in mail in ballots this fall earlier this week to joy said no further changes will take place until after the November election but lawmakers particularly Democrats worry. That major changes have already taken place on Monday the joy and Postal Board of governors share Robert Dunkin will testify in front of the House Oversight Committee. Their comments come amid growing mistrust about the fairness of this foles election according to a survey from the Democracy Fund and UCLA Nation Scape project forty, six percent of Americans. Say They are not confident. The country can hold a fair election. The CDC has some good news about the coronavirus pandemic virus deaths are expected to come down soon but director Robert Redfield said Thursday that Americans need to stay vigilant I do think we're going to start to see significant declines in. Mortality. Across. The country over the next. Hopefully next week, we'll start to see a decline. It's GONNA lag cases by around four to three or four weeks. I'm sad that we've lost this many lives as we've lost I. On the other hand I feel that the response that we've done collectively as a nation is really saved the lives. And that we need to stay vigilant to the mitigation steps right now because come come the fall, we have flu causing its problems and we have cova causing its problems and and they build on each other. We get enough with another loss of significant light is fall and winner could be one of the complicated public health times we have with with the to coming at the same time. On the other hand I'm an optimist that the American public. Heeds the advice that we said about the face car rain in the social, distancing the hand launching Indian in being smart about crowds. This could be one of the best flu season's we had particularly if they do one more thing and that is to raise the flu vaccine with cabinets I think this is a critical year for us to try to take flu as much off the table as we can. Probably the most important thing is we are beginning I think to. Turn the tide I WANNA call the southern outbreak in the nation. Meanwhile, a group of hospital workers in Southern California filed a lawsuit on Thursday saying they were given inadequate protective equipment and ordered to return to work while still recovering from covid nineteen, three workers the daughter of a fourth who died from the virus and a hospital workers union filed the lawsuit against HCC healthcare which owns riverside. Community hospital that comes as. Tennessee issues guidance for school districts, calling teachers, essential workers that means they can be required to come to work. Even if they've been exposed to the corona virus including living with someone who has tested positive, the teachers just can't have any symptoms and must wear a mask nearly one hundred, seventy, five, thousand people have died in the US from covid nineteen port of more than seven, hundred, ninety, two, thousand deaths around the world. The so called Golden State killer faces sentencing on Friday Joseph di Angelo is expected to be sentenced to life in prison without parole as part of a deal with prosecutors to avoid the death penalty, he pleaded guilty in June two thirteen counts of murder and thirteen counts of kidnapping with robbery. He also admitted to a number of sexual assault crimes that were not charged because of the statute of limitations the seventy four year old man avoided police for nearly four decades before his arrest in two thousand eighteen. A judge on Friday will decide the of former full House, Star Lori Laughlin and her fashion designer husband. Muslim. The pair was arrested last year on charges that they paid half a million dollars in bribes to get their daughters and college as rowing recruits even though neither girl was a rower, they pled guilty in May after other parents around the country have seen jail time as part of the widespread so-called Varsity Blues Scandal led by admissions consultant ric singer federal prosecutors are urging the judge to accept plea deals that goal for Laughlin, to serve two months in prison and GM new weeds. Has served five months under the plea. He would pay a two hundred, fifty, thousand dollar fine and perform two hundred, fifty hours of community service while Laughlin would pay a one hundred fifty thousand dollar fine with one hundred hours. Thanks for listening to five things a reminder you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts and check us out wherever you get your audio. Thanks as always the Thornton for her work on the show. Five things is part of the USA Today. PODCAST network five. Things is brought to you by net sweet America's ready to get back to work. But to win in the new economy, you need every advantage to succeed. That's why smart companies run on net suite by Oracle. The world's number one cloud business system with net. Sweet. You'll have visibility and control over your financials hr inventory ECOMMERCE and more everything. You need all in one place whether you're doing a million or hundreds of millions in sales net sweet. lets you manage every penny with. 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Into the NAACP vs the Postal Service
"Thank you. Chad. Johnson for calling this here. June fifteenth, I became America's seventy fifth postmaster general. I did. So because I believe the puzzle service lays tremendously positive role in the lives of the American public in the life of the nation. Vith November in the face of pandemic voters are expecting to rely heavily on vote by mail. On Friday Postmaster General Louis Joy tried to ease the nerves of lawmakers and the American. Public I want to assure this committee and the American public at the Postal Service is fully capable and committed to delivering the nation's election male securely and on time. In a virtual hearing in front of the Senate, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. The Joy said the United States Postal Service is ready. This sacred duty is my number one priority between now and election. Day. Today, he made the same argument for the House Committee on oversight and reform. To be clear, we will do everything. We can to handle and deliver election mail in a manner consistent with the proven processes and procedures that we have relied upon for years. The fact that the joy is testifying before Congress in the middle of August when members are typically recess is unusual. These emergency hearings were called out of concern that the joy atop donor to president trump has been trying to interfere with the election. In the two months that he's been in the role, the joy has reorganized in some cases gotten rid of leadership post at USPS. He's eliminated employee overtime for move mail sorting machines and taken letter collection boxes off the streets. The says he's working to make the financially struggling institution more Salvin. But the changes have called stressful workers disruption to service and a national outcry after two hundred, forty years of patriotic service delivering the mail. How can one person? Screw this up in just a few weeks in all of our districts we are hearing from constituents about six. Delays in the delivery of mail medicines, food and other supplies can are believe that in the midst of a global pandemic, an economic crisis that we are having to exert energy to preserve the. United States Postal Service. You have ended a once proud tradition. In response, the joy agreed to suspend additional moves until after the election. Like. To emphasize that there has been no changes in any Odyssey's with regard to election mail for twenty twenty election but Democrats are calling him to go a step further and reverse his changes. As the battle continues in Washington a handful of states and organizations have filed or planned the foul lawsuits against the US ps among them is the end of Lacey Pe-. We. Have a long history in this country of manipulating the outcomes of election particularly when it comes to African Americans, there has always been effort to suppress the black vote and to overall subvert democracy. I'm tra- mainly in this is into America. Today how the freight over the future of the US Postal Service is impacting black Americans for generations. The USPS has been a stepping stone into the middle class for black families, and this year is going to be a crucial voting tool for many more. We'll look at how workers are handling the pressure of cuts and service changes and what's being done to make sure every vote is counted this November. Thurman has spent twenty five years working for the post office. Is Chicago he's a mail handler. He spends his days sorting letters and packages loading and unloading trucks that kind of thing. One of our producers gave him a call on Friday. He told her that working in the post office is basically the family business. Both of my parents worked for the Postal Service my grandfather grandmother worked for the Post Office on my Dad's side. My grandmother worked for the. Post. Houses on. Both houses you name it. So pretty much my whole family either you a nurse or poster work. Jay Story isn't uncommon. The US has been crucial employer for black people from more than a hundred years at the turn of the twentieth century. Black men and women sought out the postal service for stable long-term work. Today more than twenty percent of post office workers are black. Okay. Well but. Guessing wants the money. So round working a twenty, four, hour, seven, eight, three, hundred, sixty, five days operation. It's always open always working inside a plant I'm model is all ways that we deliver. The Pan restraints that we have when the pressure to get that mail out we live it. You learn how to work under pressure very well when you work as a post office. That pressure reaches a whole different level when it comes to what is called political male apathy ballots mail in ballots. That's all part of political mail and it's high priority. When that mail comes in and his political meal, you start hearing these calls, you him political male political male. You know they start making calls what I'm trying to say is the political male priority i. don't care what Male anybody touches when that political mail comes in. That's the first thing that everybody gravity source was coming off the dot with his coming headed towards detail three, they pulling it up, they landed up, you have tractors or. What have you land up supervisors are standing there. They like this little mail we need you to take this you know to the south end of the building. So you bring it over there to the south end of the building no matter how much mail no matter what's going on that political mail is worked I it just passes from hand to hang until it goes to where it has to go. You waited this rant is literally likability. Typically the USPS relies on high volume sorting machines to get through all that male and if one of the machines breaks down, they don't waste any time getting things up and running again. So anything goes wrong with those machines. They call them mechanic over there and I'm not exaggerating this at all. They look like Nascar those guys Nasqad to take the tires off and fix the car when they come to pitstops. That's what they look like. This summer postmaster. General Louis Joy ordered more than six hundred though sorting machines be disconnected and removed citing decline in mail volume. The joy recently put this plan on hold, but it's unclear whether the machines that had already been stopped we'll be revived. J.. Thurman. Is Aware of the funding crisis unfolding at the highest levels of the post office especially moved cutback on overtime. While he doesn't like to get political. What he's hearing from the top has I'm worried it's affecting his job. Always carry. When They going to make a change and you don't know what's going to happen. When they say all the time. And they were saying, well, we're not doing any overtime and we have to turn around and we got we have to get the smell out. That's even more pressure. It's like you can cut it with a nice. You feel like you could just cut it because there's so go go go go go go. Let's go you know. So there's obstacle after obstacle, but despite R. J. Sure that he and his co workers can pull this off. The US postal services responsible for the meal all over this world, you have soldiers that are being deployed of combat don't have conflict areas and all of America you have family members. Sweep grandmothers. MOM's lives. And loved one. Sin Packages. Over into a war zone. And it's delivered. And it's been like that for us and to come now and you know, ask can use live of critical mail. You. Know. I'm sorry. But it almost feels like it's a slap in the face because like. We can deliver a package over to Afghanistan. Then you question the post office and ask it'd be a problem if you deliver a first-class letter to Iowa. Wasi Thurman may be confident. A lot of other people are concerned about a mail in election and what feels like a threat to democracy itself including the end of Lacey? Pe-. Last week the Civil Rights Organization filed a lawsuit against Postmaster General the joy accusing him of sabotaging his own United States postal service. The lawsuit calls it quote a blatant attempt to disenfranchise voters of color. After the break we talked to nwpp. President, Johnson about that lawsuit. Stick with us. We get support from keeps. As guys. So much of our identity is wrapped up in our hair. 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KEEPS DOT com slash into America all one word. Hey everyone. It's Chris. As you know these days i. find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader look at the issues I haven't had time to cover my TV. Show all in everything from the legacy of racism in America to how community in creativity can flourish amidst a pandemic to how Democrats could win and deep. Red America, I do it each week on my podcast wise is happening and I'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Nicole Hannah Jones progress does not mean justice or equality or. that. We are right after four hundred years of black people being in this country the type of marking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author Rebecca Solnit. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways crooked media's Jon favreau. It's going to be the highest turnout election in history, which means that it is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world. I really enjoy our conversations. I hope you will. Join me for new episodes. Every Tuesday just search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe hey, it's Chris Hayes this week on my podcast wise is happening I'll be talking with Ryan thumb about the Chinese government's ongoing ethnic cleansing of its weaker minority. You can make people submit, but it's very difficult to make them think differently, there's bound to be a large percentage of this million or so people who they determine to be irredeemable and I'm worried about what happens you know the German concentration camps it was something. Like four or five years before the majority of the population in them was Jewish, and it was eight or nine years before they were connected to a program of mass killing. So the reason I bring that up is that goals can change especially when you're looking at such a massive system that has no appeal system, no regulation, no oversight, and we've already seen that the rest of the world's reaction to this has been rather slow at this week on wise is happening search for wisest happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. The Boise President Derek Johnson is leading organizations lawsuit against the US. Postal Service it's a position he probably never imagined he would be in decades ago growing up in Detroit when mail carriers were such a central part of life in the neighborhood I grew up in somewhat of a rough neighborhood in Detroit, and so the mailman at to I can remember growing now 'cause one retired and other replaced him everybody in the neighborhood knew him and I remember the Otago before. He retired we had to make sure that he delivered the mail earlier now before he said down with the neighborhood and got distracted. Right. But it was a part of the community and how he functioned everybody in the neighborhood. knew him respected him liked Tim. Walking through this lawsuit that the N. Double ACP is filing against the USPS because you use them pretty strong language here you say that postmaster general joys policies are quote willful and blatant attempt to obstruct the mail system end are a direct threat to the people of this nation's right to vote. What are you seeing that really concerns you that point to that that bleed obstruction and Me You're talking about. When you make a decision to take away the postal workers ability to deliver the mail timely in the midst of upcoming election where Mellon voting would be the far method by a large number of citizens across the country. Especially African, Americans, when you look at the Wisconsin primary election in June in the horrific scene of individuals standing in line putting at risk their health. So they can exercise their right to vote there should never be a choice for citizens have to make whether or not they're going to vote or their health and what this postmaster general has done with dismantling. The high capacity machines the with eliminating overtime for postal workers to issue male get out timely in the midst of what will perhaps be a haydn. Mail voting election season I think the question motivations are very clear and we should not have citizens definitely not as after America stand by and do nothing. When think about motivation here? You know there are a lot of people who will point to. The same old playbook from years ago the voter suppression efforts. Disenfranchised Black folks dislodged us from our rights to vote. Do you think this is like pointedly an attempt to suppress the votes of black and Brown and other marginalized people? We have a long history in this country of of manipulating the outcomes of election particularly when it comes to African Americans there's always been an effort to suppress the black VO and to overall subvert democracy. I. Don't think there's a significant part of our population who do not appreciate the fact that we are full citizens that we have protection under law that there is a constitutional guarantee to our participation in all facets of life, and so this is no different whether it's poll tax whether it's literacy tests whether is. Moving precincts all of these things lineup consistent with our history of suppressing the black vote to subvert democracy. We cannot be a representative government if there is a consistent state sanctioned effort to suppress by votes. We talked to I'm a postal worker Chicago who said, you know what he understands you know the media frenzy around was going on but he believes that the the US ps is still in prime position to make sure that everyone gets their ballots. The you think though if things remain as they are at this moment that it could have a real impact on the high stakes twenty twenty presidential election. Is. A game of inches not miles so is not about the ninety nine point, nine percent of the mail getting their timely it is that fraction of a percent which can make a difference in outcome of the election I was used as example, twenty, eight thousand people voted in the city of Detroit in two. Teen and a skip the top of the ticket and eighty percent black city. But Michigan was lost by less than eleven thousand. The outcome was buried in people who actually voted for whatever reason I skipped a top of the ticket. We have to be very clear. The loss of any volt is a threat to our democracy and we should not accept it as a normal was going to be okay it is not okay. Donald Trump has said that if you know if you expand know vote by mail that the Republicans may not win another election. The you think Mellon voting should be expanded or are there actual concerns that the more you expanded that there could be some plain above? Well in the midst of this statement is the problem. We should not fold our election process to meet the interest of a political party. The political party must meet interest of the voters. If your message in of your platforms are strong enough. Then it should attract people, but people should not be routed. Agree with you, and if they don't, then you put up barriers for their participation. Political parties are nothing but vehicles for agendas. And if the agendas that are making up the platform of the party in this moment is inadequate to attract the necessary support of the voting public. Then the public is not the problem, the agendas, the problem. You know obviously president trump's fingerprints are all over what we've been seeing happening. He's wage this war against the post office you know in in part because the Amazon connection, he wants them to charge more because he has a a vendetta against Jeff bezos But then again, the post office has had a tangle of financial difficulties over the years partly because of the way they have to fund upfront the pensions and everything. It's kind of a mess out there. Is there any chance that this is just purely bad optics right known affairs politics involved just the joy just trying to align the post offices financial state is there any chance at all? I, think it is a power grab for the current election to ensure that certain balance will be slowed or prevented from being considered Also think is a long term play around a set of private entities who seek to privatize as much of government as possible. Even the joy owns interest in a company that was doing business with the post office If you look at their whole funding model in their structure, Congress have tamper with the functions of the Pulse Office for years bexley crippling is ability to grow and develop, and yet it has persevere because it's such a durable American is. and. What's interesting about the post office is not being funded by tax dollars is actually running off the fees generate from the services, and so if you if you believe in a business model, allow the model that works for this agency to continue to grow in work in stop. Putting in place barriers to handicap is ability. To Service the American citizens. Derek for all the reasons you mentioned there's great concern about how black voters will be impacted by the changes made at the Postal Service but the postal service also employs a bunch of black folks right? Historically, the USPS has been a a ladder into the middle class for so many black people and black families. Is there any sense of how the joy changes in terms of cutting overtime and all the other things he's done? WILL IMPACT BLACK POSTAL WORKERS You know the post office outside of this they've been under a consistent attack by many in the conservative movement. It is a governmental function has been successful as an American institution but for the legislative bodies taking the resources out of the post office enforcing the boss officer operate on a shoestring yet, they still have been consistently productive. It is a true ladder to middle class African Americans you know are are are we call coming out of high school and people were aggressively seeking a job at the post office as they were considering how to navigate through college and most people who got the job at the post office? That they have steady employment could benefits and the ability to secure health insurers no the between the pulse office in the military those were the ladders for impoverished communities particularly after American communities to really out a living for their family and build out their communities. So, as the end P pushes forward with his lawsuit against the US S. Early last week the joy agree to suspend all cost cutting measures nine on. Friday while testifying the Congress. He made it clear that the postal service will prioritize ballots overall other male. But as you put forward, what else are you looking for for the USPS to do that they haven't already conceded? Is something else Well absolutely, the harm that was caused must be restored you have to repair you have to put those machines by place you need to have a plan of execution to ensure mail delivered timely, and this is not just about the election. These are about individuals who depend on delivery of the postal service for their medications and veterans and others is all. Goes Beyond Ambala it goes through the quality of life that people have grown accustomed to, and some of that is based on the timely delivery of their male. That's why in recent polling you see of seventy eighty percent of people support the post office, and some of the changes that has been done probably will be detrimental to all those who are responsible. So as as you consider the history of the postal service and you consider just how important their role actually is every single day. Even when we're not in an election year is the fight you are waging on behalf of voters about you know more than just twenty twenty. What are you actually fighting for? Or fighting for. The voting, we don't want people to have to make a decision between their life or their health and their right to vote who wants options on the table. But I think what has happened also as opened up the long-term term conversation around the postal service that the systemic attacks on the postal service, over the last twenty years has now come to light. So I think this is step one and we're going to be successful in this. The fact that the house went in on a Saturday in the midst of this pandemic after they had already left for their recess comeback and vote for five billion dollar package that speaks volumes I hope that after this cycles over, we take it out of the partisan consideration we have a system that people have unfettered access to Poli. We must be a representative democracy we cannot spread the message of freedom abroad we not practicing it at home. That was NWC W. C. P. President Derek Johnson along with veteran mail handler J. Thurman we reached out to the US Postal Service for comment on the N.. Double ACP lawsuit but didn't hear back in time for publication. A special thanks to NBC BE Okay Editor Michelle Garcia and report a Curtis Bun for help with today's story. Into America is produced by Isabel Angel Alison Bailey. Aaron Don. Max Jacobs Barbara Rab cleared cy I should turn her and pretty von original music by Hannah's Brown. OUR EXECUTIVE PRODUCER IS ELLEN Franken Steve Lick Tie is executive producer of audio. Mainly, will be back on Wednesday.
Revisiting 2020 Election Security
"This is dale where we bring you the federal stories. That really matter. It's december eighteenth twenty twenty. I'm restaurant for tune in her letter. Officially ascertaining the election for president elect joe biden on november. Twenty third gsa chief. Emily murphy wrote that. The presidential transition act quote provides no procedures or standards on quote for the process. She found herself needing to set in motion. She said the lawsuits that president. Donald trump's campaign had filed in connection to the election as well as a prolonged ballot counts in different states while there are issues with her framing as experts rightfully predicted. The campaign lawsuits were doomed. To fail and the recounts changed no outcomes as per precedent. The twenty twenty election was indeed unprecedented in many ways. The pandemic move debates and events out of normal venues while mail in balloting became a key issue and the arguments about vote fraud. In fact president trump. His campaign and his allies have alleged fraud in the election since far before the election even took place under the banner of securing election. The president has argued that higher. Voter turnout is evidence of a widespread nationwide scheme to hurt republican's despite the party winning seats in the house there's no evidence that this is the case and the electoral college voted in favor of biden on monday. He will be inaugurated on january twentieth. Trump's claims though have stuck with voters according to a recent writers. Paul a slight majority of republican voters believe the election was at least partially raked in state republican. Lawmakers places like texas in georgia have proposed more restrictions on voting in those states. International democracy advocates have sounded the alarm that the us has backsliding his democracy infrastructure. Joining me next with david. Line from the alliance for securing democracy is that organizations elections integrity fellow. And he's the former ada county idaho elections director. We'll discuss how elections can be further secured and examined security issues around the twenty twenty election. Twenty tweet general election is not quite over until the georgia senate. Runoff is decided in early. January examining. This unique election cycle is going to be very important. This year's elections were dominated by misinformation around the pandemic election security and the candidates themselves. David levine is the election's integrity fellow at the alliance for securing democracy. He joins me now to discuss. How americans viewed the security of this election cycle and how we can secure for future elections. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks again for having me. Ross georgia monday. The electoral college did indeed vote for joe biden. said his status as president-elect but according to a reuters poll in particular more than fifty percent of republicans believed. There was some kind of fraud in the election. You know a little bit about election integrity. So what do you think of these kinds of developments. What would you say to these skeptics. Sure it's an excellent question. A great way to start off first off. It's concerning this election was well run and it was particularly well. Run considering the challenges that election administrators. No supporting them. Face the psychic including the ongoing threat of foreign interference the coronavirus pandemic and ongoing civil unrest. One thing that i think is worth worth noting that rose bowl is that it actually shows a tick down. The number of people writer percentage of people i think in some respects they'd have concerns of legitimacy and so in one of the things i'm hoping for is as we affirm the election results in each step a hopefully more and more people across the political spectrum will be supportive but again You know what would concerning of course about this is. It shows the yawning gap between how in fact the elections were conducted which was quite well And the perception that large segments of the population have a about how the election was conducted. Not as well and obviously you know. Some of that is is is the result of some loud voices who have large followings echoing sentiments about the election that aren't attached or detached from reality and and that's that's a real concern But obviously electoral college vote was a positive step the majority leader mitch mcconnell coming in and saying that we now have a president-elect biden that was a positive step and i'm certainly hopeful that as we move towards january twentieth more and more people are gonna come around and see that. This was an election. That again was well run in administer in that vein the senate homeland security and governmental affairs. Committee had a hearing this week It made some news for its contentiousness between Some of the senators. But what did you take out of that hearing and what. What should our listeners take. From the hearing from the things a senator said what The testimony from former assistant chief. Chris cabs like what what should be the takeaways from that kind of thing absolutely few takeaways at have from that hearing number one there's still a tremendous Tremendous difference over You know how the twenty twenty election proceeded in. It's one of the reasons why. I called for a bipartisan presidential commission on elections security. That is in some respects in the mold of president. Obama's presidential commission on election administration but while obama's commission to improve the voter experience and do things like expand early voting and have two things to improve the accuracy of voter rolls. Commission would not only or my idea for commission without only look at ways to improve and the administration of elections but also how do we encounter missing disinformation as well as help ensure that accurate information about the election process is both getting out to the american electorate and being believed by And so this would be a bipartisan. Handle that would have people from across the political spectrum on it including election officials experts in those with relevant public private sector experience but to go back to your point. You know again this yesterday's hearing You know indicated that we still have a ways to go while there were folks like senator portman. That talked about having a bipartisan panel. Part like the one. I might have outlined there. Were others then again. We're regurgitating false information about the twenty twenty election and that's not helpful. It's it's never helpful when you are sharing information about the election process. That is both detached from reality. In aligns with the information being shared by our adversaries such as russia right china and iran and whether that's ample fine false allegations about voter fraud or suggesting non incorrectly. That people were somehow able to get into the voting systems and change votes. Those kinds of things have no place in our democracy And what they do or they can do is undermine trust and confidence in our elections process what it can be helpful when done correctly is to have is to have hearings to have panels that look at how in fact the election went and what could be done better going forward and we've seen those hearings like that. The national academy of sciences held the here recently. That looked at these kinds of issues. So the bipartisan policy center. Those are models for how to examine how to do that. Sort of thing so that we can both acknowledged how we've done in this current this past election as well as think about what we can do. Better going forward you mentioned The allegations of foreign interference We have you know in the aftermath of two thousand sixteen election. We had the findings for the muller report was foreign interference. A factor in the twenty twenty election. And if so what were those factors and whose kind of coming at us i know you mentioned china. Iran and russia so ross. You noted at the outset correctly that we're not quite fully dumped at twenty twenty election cycle There was a report that the department of national intelligence was going to be. Putting out this friday that i think was going to take a look at foreign interference Peace and appears to have been delayed in according to reporting at seems to be a little bit about Agreement disagreement over chinese interference efforts with regards to twenty twenty. And so you know there are going to be things like follow twice sixteen election. There will be efforts to come out in the weeks or months. Even potential years afterwards the provided more complete picture. But i think a couple of things that are worth noting number one. Ford inference did have a role to play one example of that Were were emails. Rate spoofed allegedly from the proud boys but the intelligence community found were in fact initiated by iranian iranian affiliated. Actors that again. We're we're directed democratic voters Director of national intelligence along with some others also indicated that there were russian efforts afflicts right to sow confusion and chaos through disinformation so forty interference was a factor and of course there were adversaries that were amplifying false information right disseminated by domestic actors and one example of courses russian actors. There were amplified. Disinformation around the vote by mail process But again one of the things. That was a little different. At least thus far appears that's the difference between twenty and twenty. Two thousand sixteen was a lot of the concern. Seems to be stemming more from domestic actors at what they did and obviously you know if you have domestic actors that are sowing confusion and chaos and putting out false information it doesn't take a lot for foreign adversaries to to be able to ride that. Wave amplify that information Mb achieving their goals. One of the things that i think is also just worth noting very briefly. Is that the foreign interference efforts right from actors. Such as have been have continued unabated in uninterrupted manner since right prior to the two thousand sixteen election so in that respect. I think it's worth knowing and thinking about the fact that if you're russian affiliated actors and you're looking at the amount of disinformation in the divisions that exists you think to yourself you've been effective at least to some extent and certainly the effects of this last week with the hack government systems on the federal level shows that at the very least russia has not done with that realm of I don't even want to know what you call it. Adversarial action i guess would be best Vague way to put it Move onto audits and paper trail. Because i know you've sort of called for that stuff too We we did see audits this year in georgia for example and even with those audits. There's plenty of distrust in that process. Kind of flesh out. What audits and paper trails do four election confidence. sure yes. A paper ballots are really important because they allow allow happens for voters to verify their choices and they allow election officials to be able to actually on it balance after the election words review those balance after the election to ensure that they were tabulated properly by voting equipment as in former cybersecurity infrastructure. Security agency. chris krebs pointed out. And you don't wanna be situation where you have a single point of failure with regards to technology so when you have paper ballots and you have audits. That can review those ballots in the election. What you do is you have a way of being able to confirm the election results without having to rely on the technology. That often is used to tabulate okay. So we've talked about information. Disinformation a little. We kind of go a little deeper on this about the type of misinformation that was elevated certainly political leaders about fraud about voting laws above vote by mail. It was really excessive this year. Now we have an idea of what that affect at least has anecdotally on voters but what does affect. What effect does it have on the actual election security. I think it's quite significant. You know one of the things. I think that's really important. Is that when we think about election security now i think of it oversimplifies a three legged stool right one is about this is about access you can have the most secure system in the world but if it's not accessible to people it's not very helpful number two is legitimacy right. You wanna make sure that there's a perception that the system can be trusted right across the political spectrum regardless of in fact how well it was administered and then three is the security of the system itself and part of that is cybersecurity of voter registration systems and electric books websites the party. That's also missing. Disinformation and and i think one of the things that's really important it's an important takeaway here from from. The two thousand twenty election cycle is that even if elections are well running conducted and they are in fact secure if in fact there's a perception that they are not then that doesn't bode well for our democracy now. Chris pointed at yesterday's hearing. It corrodes trust in our democracy when we have people highest levels of government right suggesting that in fact our our elections process are not well run and are filled with fraud. When in fact that's not the case so let's talk about one of the more contentious ways to people did vote this year. Mail in voting I as i say every time we talk about voting i can hit my poll polling place with a baseball i can throw it. It's literally cross street. And i've been voting by mail for nine years since i lived in the district of columbia because we have no excuse. Absentee both voting. We've seen more widespread adoption of this throughout the country. But because of a lag in some of the voting laws we saw that the counting was not as quick as it would be in other elections. So how can states sort of administer mail in voting more effectively inefficiency and what affected the mail in voting counting delays have on election security and election. Trust absolutely by that question often a few wins right number one when we think about how we can improve on vote by mail going forward. I think it's worth noting that vote by. Mail was administered in significantly better way in the general election during the pandemic than in the primary right. In some cases there were primaries that occurred in certain states that were that took place very shortly after the pandemic came ashore. And i think what what are things. It was really impressive to see state. Local election officials would without more congressional funding which which they should have gotten with a whole host of other constraints. Were still able to bolster at expand. Vote by mail in many cases. And i think we saw lower percentages of rejected ballots than we anticipated. I think that's a real testament to outreach. Efforts by state local elected officials as well as the interest shown by voters to make sure that they filled out ballots proper. But i think for a couple of really important number one. We need to make sure that jurisdictions and election officials had the opportunity to pre process. Mail ballots ahead of election day. You shouldn't be a partisan issue. Florida gets lots of time to do candidate. Ohio gets lots of time to do to light of pennsylvania. Should get lots of talking to do it. Ahead of election day michigan to get lots of time not ten hours in a few jurisdictions. I'm if in fact everywhere in the country had multiple days if not weeks ahead of time to process. Mail ballots undoubtedly. We could've processed more ballots soon. Right and i think the position. We're waiting quite as long and so. I think it's really important that that be something. That's nipped in the bud number one. I think number two. We need to continue with our education outreach efforts to encourage folks to vote ahead of election day you know as john. Crabs and others pointed to when people are voting ahead of election day. It's not only good for accessibility. It's good for security right. There is an incident when voting machine was down or electronic poll book down. If the only day you have to vote is election day itself. You don't have many options as to what to do otherwise to hang in there. Well if you get to go and vote ahead of time and you encounter issue like that. Maybe you don't want to wait as long because you've got maybe going take another commitment. You may be able depending on the state you live in to go home and then vote on another day or maybe you get to decide and requests. A mail ballot. We need to see You know hopefully more voting done ahead of election day to again Give voters opportunities to be multiple opportunities to be able to vote to enhance election security and to make it easier election administrators. One of the reasons. We didn't have as long allied this year in some respects. Even spite of the pandemic in the mid resources was because so many voters voted in advance of election day. And i think that's something again. Hopefully that can be done. But you know we'll have to wait and see because i think depending on what state you're in georgia for example is looking to possibly wrote back a certain election changes and so you know because of what's going on in twenty twenty Some of the changes that occurred may unfortunately be viewed through a partisan lens but having vote by mail available. Voters is a good nonpartisan thing. You could ask him. Why many republican secretary of state in washington or jocelyn benson the democratic secretaries. they'd michigan. You get the same answer and know. I'm hopeful again at something that can be part of future future. Leche doing for so you just kind of reference it a little And we'll end up on this. Were seeing some call for more restrictive voter laws particularly with regards to voter. Id so what is the future of voting rights look like and how does that factor into election security obviously in my current role. I focused more obviously on the Election security aspect with regards particular foreign interference but know i think one of the things. That's really important. We taken away from twenty twenty. Is that voter. Access effects election security and elections security affects voter access. We know when those attacks occurred in. October in the department of national intelligence took. I think something like twenty seven hours to investigate and then come back and tell the american public what happened one. That was a testament to the intelligence community. Sharing in real time potential foreign threats. But i think what it also spoke to was a the importance of having a voters having opportunities to vote so they can make informed judgments with regards to the election process. And i think one of the things. I'm i'm really hopeful about going forward is that You know it with voters very busy lives with the possibility of things like pandemics or natural weather events. The voters have opportunities and elections are customized in a way that reflect people's lives. They're increasingly complex. Lives on because if in fact if in fact issues arise we want people to be able to cast a ballot so long as eligible the do so one of the best ways to interference is for every single person to participate in the democratic process. And we ought to be doing everything we can to enable that because that way we can simultaneously ensure the highest ideals of our democracy while helping ensure that we have robust defenses against authoritarian actors like russia iran china and others. It's it's always a me to see how The arguments against Voting access come down although that may just be my own framing. Because as mentioned. I've i've had a lot of Easy access to vote by mail. And i've been able to live in places where access to the voters very easy but It's not over yet. We still got a month left or whatever two and a half weeks until the end of the georgia runoff and We will certainly keep an eye on that and Probably check back in with you. Then thanks so much for it on the show. Russ thanks so much for him. Nice listening to music. Daily for december eighteenth days butler and hosted by me rush opportunity. You wanna thank the alliance for security. 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Politics with Amy Walter: A Look at the Next Stimulus Package
"It's politics with amy. Walter were sliding into your podcast speed with a little extra something for you this weekend because there is just so much going on when you talk about it, so let's get going. Back in March, Congress passed. The cares act a two trillion dollars economic relief package tasked with getting money to American people and businesses after coronavirus brought the global economy to a halt. It expanded unemployment benefits provided direct stimulus payments, and also did things like assisting with federal student loans. But that was more than three months ago and while wishful thinking had many hoping that Finau we'd have a better grip on the virus in the economic downturn, the reality is just the opposite. End of this month, the additional six hundred dollars per week. Those unemployment have come to rely on his endangered of disappearing. What our listeners had to say about what that would mean for them. Florida's maximum benefits for only two hundred and seventy five dollars a week. The extra six hundred allows me to stay at home at a time. When my state and the county I live in Miami eight are facing. Some of the highest numbers of new cases code nineteen in the country ever since covid started. Obviously, my field has been entirely impossible to work and can't really have theater without people gathering large groups obviously so extra six hundred has been helping me pay my student loans. That's been helping me make my car payments. It's been helping me pay my rent if they take the six hundred dollars away, I am sixty two years old. At a higher risk than most workers within health issues. I wouldn't be able to to pay my rent or any of the other bills that are coming up until some of this Because away. On Monday Congress returns from their July recess and it's expected that they'll get to work on the latest relief package. Joining me to discuss what we might see Congress trying accomplish is not fans congressional correspondent for the New York Times. And lizzo congressional correspondent for Vox at this point, we know quite a bit more about exactly what Democrats are looking for which is predominantly an extension of the unemployment insurance that's currently included in the previous cares act as well as another stimulus, check and more money for states and cities. Where Republicans have kind of balked at all of those things, and it's clear they've become a bit more open to them. As the pandemic worsened, and as it's become clear that even though some states have reopened, the economy hasn't rebounded as expected in terms of priorities. They're more interested in one of the common themes has been protecting businesses from potential liability. They may from lawsuits after the pandemic is over. So that's something they'll be continuing to fight for but this debate over what you? I, package is going to look like and whether that's going. There's going to be another stimulus. Check our to the areas that will be. Interesting to watch to continue to play out so. What Democrats are saying is. Let's basically continue that everybody still gets the same amount of money as a stimulus check a twelve hundred dollar check on top of supplementing unemployment insurance. Is that what they're doing? Yes yeah, exactly and the concern from Republicans is that by continuing to give that extra six hundred dollars a week? That money is deterring people from being interested in going back to work because they would get more money potentially from you I than they would. From their previous wages the issue there is that many of the jobs that have. Disappeared effectively because of covert. Haven't come back and so we're still seeing an extremely high unemployment rate, and extremely high demand for that Ui and on top of that I think there's just the concern that people shouldn't be going back to work right now because it's not safe to do so great. Nick this to me like a very interesting tight rope here for trump for the White House you know on the one hand you're a president. For re election in the middle of Economic Downturn recession, and so you would think hey, let's get as much money into the hands of people right before an election as we possibly can. But that would also if he does so if he agrees to this, it would also be an admission that the economy still is pretty bad and the this White House that has been saying for a long time now that things are bouncing back that the roaring economies on its way so. How do they balance both of those things? Yeah, it's a good question Obviously the president has been Shall, we say optimistic to the point of being entirely unrealistic about the the kind of health concerns of the virus and Predictions of our quick return but I I think in the end. His concern about the economy is is going to win out while maybe he'll rhetorically continue to suggest this is almost over. The worst is behind us He seems to be very much in favor of pumping a bunch of money into the economy, as does his administration so the White House is very firmly behind these direct payments to sending another direct payment, maybe twelve hundred dollars directly to Americans, a check that. Would the president's name on it in an election season they they like that idea. They also continue to push another idea. That's pretty unpopular on Capitol Hill and that's a payroll tax cut. that would cost a bunch of money and even Republican senators say really wouldn't be the best way to try and stimulate the economy and would get. Affect the federal income stream the coffers so I think in the end both the White House and Republican Senators with an election, looming and and knowing that the economy has really been one of their strongest selling points as a party in the trump era are going to do everything they can to try and. Keep the recovery going. To pump federal dollars in it so that things don't Joe Worse Than An and I think Democrats realize that you heard this week. Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressing some. Confidence that Republicans were moving in her direction of kind of bigger bill. I think that's part of the reason why. We also know nick that these bills often become repositories for lots of other. Priorities, that may not necessarily have to do with exactly this issue. Are there other things that we think are going to get pushed in there where you know? Democrats or Republicans see an opportunity to hang something in this must pass bill. Yeah I. Mean you raise a very good point? And especially, since this is probably going to be the last big bill that Congress passes before senators and members of the house, go back to their districts for extended periods of time to campaign and try and keep their jobs. You know so one of the things that we've been looking at. Is You know Republicans may try to get extra money in here for healthcare to? Get right on their positions on healthcare, and and you know lessen some of the disadvantaged. They have because their advocacy for repealing the affordable care. act. and things like that whether that will work obviously remains to be seen I, think Democrats will try and get some kind of pet projects in there as well, but I think we could expect this bill probably to just kind of get bigger and bigger on the closer it gets it being cinched. There's one other issue though that'll be a real sticking point that has political implications to that. We haven't talked about it. And that's education and education funding and getting schools open. in Republicans are trying to figure out how they could use legislation to incentivize opening schools president trump basically wants to. Take Away, federal funding from schools that don't reopen this fall. That will never fly with Democrats and I think even with a lot of Republicans in Congress. But what what kind of structure scheme do they come up with to try and incentivize schools to reopen I? Think could also have a pretty big. On. Life in America and as a result the campaigns. Because Nick, is it that Democrats are saying look? Schools can't reopen unless they have the resources to be able to you know, bring in the P. and the people who are going to disinfect the schools and make sure that it's that testing can happen and as long as we get money for that maybe will be more. Open to the idea that schools can be safely reopened. That's right I. Mean Th. They say Republicans who are advocating you don't get money unless you re open. have it backwards and they said you can't reopen unless we give the money. But who is the federal government to tell these local school districts You know what they have to do. First of all you know. schools in Houston earn a very different position than schools in Montana. So how can we cut a mandate? One general position so I think they're interested somewhat paradoxically since Republicans are usually the party of kind of Lochore, state control in in trying to give resources to the schools, but give them flexibility. Liam also wondering again. It's not just the president. That's a pre-election, but you got a lot of. Republican senators up for re election, some of them in states where we're seeing. These outbreaks unfortunately were back like Arizona and Texas. I'm wondering if you're sensing that. Maybe there's there's going to be some tension within the Republican ranks that while McConnell saying no, no, no, we want to keep the price tag for this bill as low as we possibly can. Do you think he's getting pressure from his members who are up for reelection? Saying Oh, we gotta pump as much money as we can into my state. Absolutely. I think there's a very narrow path that he is trying to walk among the members of conference and I think there has already been in mission from Republicans at. It's certainly possible that not every one of them ends up supporting whatever this final package looks like a largely because some people are still very concerned about the cost and how extensive it could become while at the same time like you mentioned there. People in battleground states where. Corona virus and funding for coronavirus is going to be one of the central issues of their reelection campaigns and the other big concern that we're hearing from. Many states is that. You know their coffers are starting to run dry and they are going to need a lot of support financially. Earlier we had heard from. Republicans this frustration that. These states especially blue states were using this aid to basically You know sure up their states that were poorly mismanaged in the first place, right? It's not our fault that your state's doing so does not the corona virus. It's that these states have so many other problems. Are Those concerns still there for Republicans or do we think? State and local aid to two governments is going to be maybe a more. in, easier issue to resolve. To an extent, I think they are still there in that I believe those same types of statements will be used to try to prevent too much aid from going to states and cities at the same time I think it's become very clear that so many states that you might consider red states, are having the same exact issues on the other seats are having with their reductions in sales, taxes and the increased cost. They're facing from corona virus so every state is having this problem and I think. Lawmakers being home right now? Hearing from continuance are very much getting a better sense of that. Yeah, that's a really good point. They've actually been at home now. They're not able to do some of the same things. They did pre coronavirus hosting town halls, and actually interacting one on one with people but I'm sure they're getting. An earful from from people back home. We know that this is obviously the number one priority for Congress. And we also know that they aren't going to stick around much longer her after they pass this. Especially in an election year, members of Congress like to get most of their work done by August so they can be back home campaigning in September and October, but We've also seen that. There are some priorities especially for Senate Republicans that they seem to want to be able to get out there before they leave for the fall in one of those. Is, doing further investigations into. Ukraine, but more specifically into brewery SMA, the the energy company at the center of the controversy and specifically Hunter Biden's role in that, there has been some kind of quiet movement of that hasn't garnered a ton of attention in the mainstream press, but Senator Ron Johnson who leads the Senate Homeland Security and governmental affairs, committee, the kind of main investigative panel in the Senate has been quietly conducting a couple of investigations that have pretty strong political implications Lindsey Graham the chairman of the Judiciary Committee has been conducting another one but it's Johnson. Who is looking at Hunter Biden and his relationship with Brisbane this Ukrainian? gas company that was off disgust and and kind of a central character. In the impeachment proceedings and he has issued a subpoena for one firm that was connected to Hunter Biden any S- looking it a potentially at this week coming up at subpoenaing some of some top State Department officials. and. Frankly advisors to vice for Vice President Biden's presidential campaign to have them come in with an eye towards putting out what he calls the kind of interim report ahead of the election based on what he has found now there has not been anything that's emerged so far from this investigation. That's found wrongdoing by under. or the former Vice President and Democrats have protested royal about this waste of time, and it's obviously an attempt to use the house for for political purposes. you know, but it is something. To Watch and on the off chance that it does come up with something. I'm directly related to the vice president former president whose family unit that could have an effect. On the campaign now. Senator Johnson and Lindsey Graham are also trying to kind of conduct, a public reconsideration of the Mueller investigation, which is kind of the other side of this coin, which is about you know changing the frame from president trump as someone who was investigated, who may have conducted shady actions in his last campaign in the White House to somebody that was a victim of over zealous investigators in prosecution We see the Justice Department working on that too, and that's been another big team to kind of. Help President Trump's image I think at the same time that they're trying to muddy up spiders but you know because of the pandemic because of the protest movement summer, because of Biden's commandingly. We haven't seen these kinds of. Storylines. Hook and hold on for a large percentage of the public So you know there are some questions about how long Republicans might stick with them and we'll have to see in the coming weeks. I think what we had expected was by this point in the campaign. That Republican senators were going to maybe even subpoena hunter, Biden or the vice president to come before Congress. Do we think that's just? Not Likely at all, or is the jury still out on that? I think at this point that is highly unlikely given Congress's schedule. You know given the the kind of public controversy that would expire the reason that Wasn't called around the impeachment trials that there was not agreement among Republicans. That was even a good idea for civil. Who knows what he testified to and it just would look you know bringing in a member of. Of A candidate's family as a kind of tit for tat, was by many I think as as kind of an unpalatable. idea and and now I think there's just a recognition that. Unless they dig up some new fact that campaign just simply isn't being fought on this ground, you know. Impeachment obviously was kind of the biggest story in the country while. We're in in the middle of bigger one now and I think, Republicans. You know want to spend as much time as they can. responding to this pandemic and looking like they are and They need to separating themselves from trump on it because they recognized that. votes are going to be cast based on their efficacy as as. Leaders I mean it's really kind of nuts and bolts election that way and upper down mostly on the president. But his party in on the Individual Office holders that are trying to navigate the country through this bright. Lee One less thing. I wanted to ask you about potential new aid. Package is the question that I am obsessed with which is what voting is going to look like in November, and whether the states are going to have the capacity to do. The sorts of things need to do to make voting safer, so absentee ballots and Being able to have the kind of protective equipment. They need at polling places. Is there discussion as far as you know about increasing aid to states for conducting elections this fall. There is and that's a huge priority for Democrats to figure out how much vote by mail infrastructure is going to cost states and the able to allocate exactly what's needed to carry out some of the things that you mentioned at this point that is amount is certainly contentious and something that's probably going to be hammered out as part of the upcoming discussions. That will happen as well. I think the other. Other complicating factor is the way that vote by mail has been talked about by particularly President Donald, trump and dismissive nature. He has the dismissive tone. Excuse me, he's used about it. in the way that he's kind of talked about this method as a way for voter fraud that question might complicate you know how open lawmakers appeared to further funding for this particular perch. But at the end of the daily this talk earlier by Mitch McConnell that there's no way we're going to hit one trillion dollars. We WanNA. Keep the price tag under a trillion dollars. That doesn't seem likely at all, does it? Yeah at this point. It doesn't seem likely that it's going to be under that much I think will probably something either around there or even more so inbetween. What Republicans have said and the three trillion dollars. The Democrats are interested in spending in their version. Well Nick Fan dose. Oh I. Really appreciate you all coming and talking with me through this and good luck covering it. Thanks so much. I'll be back next week. Shout out to the folks that made the show that'd be. Daughtry is our board operator and she was in every day this week at WNYC. Put The show on for you along with our director and sound designer j Cowan. Show is produced by amber, Hall and Patricia. Polly Room Goo is our digital editor David. Gable is our executive assistant Lee. 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