20 Episode results for "Second Degree Murder"
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Ep 23: Guilty Of Second-Degree Murder
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He put his hands behind his back and he walked to the back room with three deputies behind him, and they took him away. That is the end of this month. Long trial forty four witnesses almost three years since he was charged with murder Chan now we know there were supporters of both face and Van Dyke and people there in support of Liquan McDonnell. Did you see reactions from. The supporters on either side. Well, it sure did. We'll Calloway the young activists who is instrumental in bringing that lawsuit that got the police dash Cam video. That was the key evidence. In this case for the prosecution, when the jury was being brought into read, the read, the verdict, everyone stood as they were directed by the deputies, and we'll Callaway after a few seconds. So back to the pew and she was overcome with emotion, she brought him together when sheriff's deputies approached him and she was speechless afterwards. Right now, I'm looking at him with several other activists and clergy members there in circle right now as we speak holding prayer, they have not even made their way to the reporters there on the first four of this late and criminal court building in a circle of fasting hands praying. And I think that we will get this Hughes from some of these folks very shortly. In the media pack. Chip, what about Jason Van Dyke his wife was present at at at this hearing, what? What was the reaction from that side. Tiffany. Van Dyke was seated right next to Jason Bandbox. Father is accompanied him at every hearing every pretrial we're talking about dozens and dozens of these hearings. And then throughout the twelve win Van Dyke has been. Aside of his son, they sat through the reading of the verdict, and it was a long reading champion, sixteen counts of aggravated battery and be heard. Every one of those read, it took a couple of minutes. Those two sat staring straight ahead. We did not see much of any emotion for any response at all. For those two. At other times, trial Tiffany was crying, right? It was. It was don't face. They were looking straight ahead so tip your as we turn away from you. I just wanna get your sense for, you know what people are saying happened next. Well, I did sat gypsum way down from the courtroom on to this first floor, hearing from activists on the way down. There's a lot of confusion about what this second degree murder conviction means. Is this something that people are happy about, are they satisfied with it? One thing that people have got to think about sixteen counts of aggravated battery with a firearm. This this is not a minor charge class x felony. And each one of those could could have six thirty years in prisons WBZ reporter, Kate McGee with outside the courthouse where protesters have been gathering over the last few weeks and they were out there today when the verdict was read. Well, right now there's a crowd outside crowds cheering Justice for Lachlon. Here's really didn't start until it was announced that fail was going to be denied. And the crowd erupted in cheers jumping up and down pounding. They're sifting Justice for Lachlon. You know, people were. Hunting and crying, and it was a really emotional enough here. And what's been the reaction to the second degree? Murder verdict. You know it was. So they're still a sense of waiting for sentencing. So it was celebrate ori-, but there was still some hesitancy to see if the full decision would be a century people reporter owed debt Yussef was at the Roosevelt subway station on the southern edge of Chicago's downtown this afternoon. So I was here gen when the verdict was being read, and there were folks that were with headphones in their ears plugged into their phones, clearly listening to the verdict live and once the once you know, once the verdict was being read, I was hearing hooping sounds from some people shortly after the verdict was done. Somebody walked out of the Roosevelt station thing. We got it, we got it. So it was really, you know, there was some people that are paying really close attention to it who really cared about it. But I, I did speak with one one of the women who was sort of whooping celebrate orally, wasn't importing Vilson thirty two years old born and bred in Chicago, and she said that, you know for her, this is the beginning of a hopeful time. You know, she says that she wasn't even really aware of the racism in Chicago until she moved away from Chicago for college. And then when she came back. She had a few variances that really kind of she said, opened her eyes to some of the issues that the city is dealing with. And so what she told me was that, you know, if you don't have hope, you don't have anything. And so she is hoping that this is going to be the beginning of a new chapter as the verdict was being read. Tell UB's Adriana Cardona muggy, God was outside guaranteed rate filled. That's the park where the Chicago White Sox play police officers were getting ready to load onto several waiting buses. They would kind of got it into podcast and into the news in very attentive to the news and ones of other come out. People are kind of silent and you know, they lower the volume, invade just kind of right hit on some by waiting for get sort of the Floyd other parts of the city. But I also into a passer by an African American male who just heard news using curious about what the police are doing. Was it here, and he was he was kind of disappointed about the final better. They did you say why he said that he should have received the I agree mortaring says, for, you know, for the for the type of, you know, the situation was sixteen shots, a young young, you know, seventeen ghetto boys from the city. So he, he's still does. You know, just doing the serve any lead and he is worried that you know the the African American community as you said, where continue losing trust in the police. That's WBZ's Adriana Cardona muggy, God, Adriana. Thank you. Thank you. Send us around. These charges is a little complicated, but here's what we understand. The second degree murder conviction carries a four to twenty year sentence, but it could also be a sentence of probation. Now. Each of the sixteen aggravated battery convictions carries a sentence of six to thirty years, and those charges are not probational. The defense is arguing that those sixteen counts should be treated as a single act. If so, Van Dyke would face a minimum six year sentence. Now we wanted to understand a little more about the convictions against Van Dyke. So returning again to Sharon Mitchell, he's a former Cook County assistant public defender. Now, in the jury instructions judged gone, toll jurors that second degree murder with something they could consider. So we know the defense argued during their case that Jason Van Dyke felt like he was in fear of his life that there was a danger being presented to the public when he confronted la- Kwan McDonald. What is the jury saying about that argument with this verdict of second degree murder? They are saying that he essentially had the, he was unjustified in killing a liquid mcdonagh. Title, but that his belief was true, but it was unreasonable. And then with the aggravated battery charges, what does that say? An aggravated battery is simply that there was a offensive touching. So we did damage to look McDonnell and that was unjustified. And that it was done with a firearm. If the jury had found Jason Van Dyke guilty of first degree murder, what would they have had to believe about this case that this was a shooting that was completely unjustified? Sharon, what do you think the prosecution did affectively to to get this verdict? They showed the video over and over and over again in in that was the most impactful piece of evidence that they could have brought. It didn't matter what any story anyone toll, whether it was the prosecutor or whether it was the fence, the video spoke for myself. You know, when we are talking about this case in the in the larger context around it, I'm just wondering what you're hearing from colleagues about what this means for police reform in the city. The shooting was reported in very incorrect way by multiple police officers, and we don't know how high that misconduct went. So when thinking about reform, it's important to think about how we can stop this from happening. Again, there are other officers that are facing charges because it's seems to be strong evidence that they were trying to evade or help help Jason Van Dyke evade what happened to him today. And I'm just wondering for you as an attorney, one of the parts of it that stand out the most will I think that it's interesting to have the public see what's been going on what goes on trial twenty six, twenty six street. It is a very. New occurrence that of folks get to see a case from head to toe. The one thing that I do think that support is that this isn't particularly Representative of what happens at twenty sixth street each and every day, the defendant's case, Jason Van Dyke certainly shared was able to enjoy things that majority of defendants don't get such as such as being able to select a jury. That is looks very much like himself. The majority of criminal defendants at twenty six. California are facing juries that do not look like them, the ability to call witness after witness and have the funds to support have so many experts and witnesses that testified to the victims, poor nature speaking to a young woman, the other evening at an event. And she asked the question if there is a guilty verdict for Jason Van Dyke, what does that mean? I'm interested to hear your thoughts, your own will. I think it starts to bring in shed more light on this question about police accountability, a, quite frankly, too often, this debate has been police versus community community versus police. I don't think it's really about that. It's really about forty in the community, a constitutional method of policing which also helps police stay safe. So this does shed light on this issue. And as we know they're going to be lots of balls in the air when it comes to these issues, we will have a new attorney general. We will have a new police department of new mayor that may mean that we have a new police Commissioner chief. So this is really symbolic. So I think that the verdict should have been. I I think he should've been tried for first. Women are not second degree murder because that was truly just murder. So living in the neighborhood, seeing what the police do daily, you know what they do to us and how they treat us and how the court system treats us and how Troy just how they think of blackmails in Chicago. So. Second-degree murder is not enough. I think maybe he should have some. Psychiatric. Evaluations and maybe some. Some help that way, but I don't think I don't think you should jail. I have four grandsons who could this can happen too. So that's why we are here. Do you feel like this could change that at all, or. Skeptic skeptical still, but you know, progress is being made reshow see. As publishing this podcast Chicagoans are hitting the streets. A couple hundred people have been marching through downtown. Another marches planned for this evening on what's known as the magnificent mile in Chicago. Upscale shopping district and activists are calling for increased reform the Chicago police department in the days and weeks that follow will be talking to many people across Chicago, about their feelings about today's verdict and where the city goes from here. So continue to check this podcast feed regularly for any updates. sixteen shots is a production of WBZ, Chicago and the Chicago Tribune. It was produced by James Edwards with assistance from Joe and Kerry shepherd are reporting. Team includes Shannon, Heffernan, chip Mitchell, and Patrick Smith. Mike Lancy is our digital editor with help from Paula Friedrich Gabrielle, right? Our senior editor is rob Wildeboer Brinton Benazech. Our executive producer and Steve Edwards is WBZ's chief content officer, special. Thanks to the Tribune editors, met O'Connor, Tracy van more Lehem. Angela Rosa ole tool, and thanks to the WBZ newsroom who's reporting was instrumental to this series. You can find out more about the case at WBZ dot org slash sixteen shots. Check this podcast feed regularly for updates from the trial of officer, Jason Van Dyke, and listen wherever you get your podcasts. let's be honest. There's too much news to catch up on, especially after a long day at work, but WBZ Chicago has your back, our new daily newsletter, the rundown, we'll keep you informed with the five biggest local national and international stories delivered right to your inbox, subscribe for free by texting rundown, two, three, zero, six, four, four.
CBS3 News PM news update 06.08.2020
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Bonus Interview with WEDR - 99 JAMZ Miami
"It's ninety-nine jams that people station rocket with the afternoon. Good down the heavy hit a tough guy, a DJ entice you girls super cindy in on the phone lines. We Have David, banner. Hey David. We are good as well as can be as possible I should say. So David. We're just watching. CNN, the four officers have been charged the original officer who got arrested. They upgraded charges to second degree murder, and the other three officers are second degree it's. The other ones are aiding and abetting in the second degree charged with aiding and abetting with the second degree murder. How do you feel about the charges that are being brought against those officers that murder George Floyd? Personal Yeah Okay degeorge. Get opportunity to judge that part. That's my house there it is. To me to me to me, everything means everything everybody including black people. Everything means everything black people except black life. They care about buildings. Care about police the Calcutta nothing about nothing, but my people Dass don't. Matter to be can do whatever you feel like you need to do. I don't care about no businesses. I don't care about no buildings I don't care about nothing, but the life of of innocent black man woman that sal if they take our children Gimme Yo shoot. Periods don't nothing else matter. Pass that if you really care about black people like you say and white people. If you really care about black people like we say, handle young people in period. Don't nothing else better to me, but that Kyrie if we WANNA get focused about it. That's all that really matters knows really bad as period. Do you think everything that's happening now is going to make a difference in change. How officers are being held accountable when they do what they have been doing for a long time. You follow the rules that I just gave you before saved. This is what I'm telling. People I've said the same thing over and over again. What? What do people want me to say that the didn't say doing Mike? Brown and I didn't say before that before that, but it's the same thing. This establishment only respects to things the loss of life or the loss of finances, nothing else on this planet matters to this American whitewash system, and you affect one of those things it does not matter the thing that our I will say, though is the only thing only problem that I see. We need to be focused. What is justice to us? Not Not what what what is justice? Justice to them. What is justice to us? What do we really WANNA do? What do we really want to get out this once? We know that focus on that, and that only and let me tell you something else that I believe and people are on a lot of people are not going to understand what I am saying, but is very very important. I, don't care what else happens. Focus on this case in you. Get the justice that you want. Because if if I were a white supremacist, all I would do is go do something to somebody else and then black people going run over there then the cameras are GonNa win over there. We have to stay so kissed. intil get. Would you nothing else matters, David? Where can everyone follow your movements and see? How your potty passes amazing and you've been speaking what you're speaking today for such a long time, but now years are more open to what you have to say. Where can they follow movements and and listen to your podcast as well David Banner Dot Com. That's what people can focus on that, but it's not about me i. say that because it. I. Stand on what I stand and we'll hopefully stand on it for digressed of my life. find out what's walls. Go is and figure that out. That's the only thing that matter in do nothing else. Let me say one other thing. Could you all please make sure you keep saying yes? It's the children out on the street. I walked out. How proud I am of you! We always criticize the younger generation. They are doing it and what I want to tell you. Don't let other people op Joe. Movement, a Lotta, these folks way never done nothing I don't WanNa. Hear nothing for money pastor I don't WanNA hidden praying no, no, no hold in hands and hugging worse we need to do is a plot, these kids and give them opportunity to find their own leaders, because the stuff that we've been doing my generation, and above my generation it. It has not worked, so we keep looking for these celebrities and he's actors, and he's football players, and these old lost up, so called a politician. What they talking about don't work. Most people just won't white people to treat them better. They don't really want freedom because they got money with the system being the way that it is right now and we looking for for. This last thing I'll say you elected a camp to speak for you if we have problems with the water system. Why do you expect them to all of a sudden? Be a chemist? These are celebrities. These politicians that you chose to. You have to deal with that right David I. WanNa. Thank you so much. You gave us so much to think about and to help us make a change in a difference because A. A lot of us are in the same box that we've been programmed to be in and your words the difference, but but the difference between you to you to support the people that need supporting right you through. Both have always supported me when I needed she. You Open your hands to make you open your hands to the people. You all stay connected to the people. That's the reason why I take your call. To both of you to and you to make sure that you're safe, and you watch who you're around because people like you. That was set people around you. They want the fact that even let me say what I just said. That's a problem to you. And I understand that you will be held responsible for it and you to have to watch each other watch each other's back I know it's who I work with each other, but south stuck with each other. You Watch each other's back and watch. Will you around? They don't from you all are. That's what Bro I got on the phone. What you? What was the first thing I? Actually me and my good? How am I doing you? Okay? Yeah, not the radio station. Not We talk about what how were you? Called me. I told her sweetheart. You have always watched that to me just a day that we knew each other exist This is about taking care of each other. You want to change the world, but we don't even teach. Treat each other right? Thank you so much. David Banner I want everybody also follow him on social media at David. Banner and his podcast. I know you didn't want me to promote that. I have to push that because you are an inspiration of so many different generations, it madder David be safe. Stay safe and thank you so much for sharing your time with us.
New Charges for Ex-Police Officers in Killing of George Floyd
"The end of the article isn't the end of the story. The Journal podcast goes behind the scenes with reporters and covers everything from the Mormon Church's one hundred billion dollar fund to Corona Virus Listen to the Journal on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's your morning brief for Thursday June fourth I'm Kief Collins for the Wall Street Journal Minnesota's attorney. General added new charges against four former police officers in the killing of George, Floyd, a second degree murder charge was added against Derek Chavan, the officer seen on video with his knee on Floyd's neck. The three other former officers were. Were charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder. We've not yet received comments from the former officers attorneys former defense secretary. Jim Madison as president. Trump quote tries to divide Americans. He also warned against using military forces to respond to a domestic crisis on twitter president trump called him overrated, and the Senate approved a bill to ease requirements on hundreds of billions in forgivable small business loans under the paycheck protection program. The bipartisan bill now heads President Trump for his signature. The White House declined to comment on the bill for more details. Please head to our website wsj.com or the WSJ APP.
Where American Policing Goes From Here
"The world is a lot right now too much to process alone. I'm Sam Sanders and I'm here to help every week. My guest and I make sense of the news and the culture without overwhelming. You listen and. To my show, it's been a minute from NPR. We believe we have a duty to charge. The charges did fit the facts in this case when we have done so. And so our concern is to. The all the energy we can into putting forth strongest case that we can without fear or favor of anyone or anything. These charges are based on the facts that we have found. We're going to pursue them. Blow everyone I'm David Chaldean the CNN political director. This is the daily DC for more than a week since the death of George Floyd Americans have taken to the streets to protest police, brutality and demonstration show no signs of stopping. But today we saw the charge against the man who kneeled on Floyd's neck, increased from third degree to second degree murder, and aiding and abetting second degree murder charges were filed against the remaining police officers who watched floyd die and did nothing. Joining us now by phone from his home to discuss what all of this means. Former head of the Washington DC and Philadelphia police, departments, and one of our law enforcement analyst here at CNN Charles Ramsey chief. Ramsey, thank you so much for being here. Squad right, so can I I get your reaction to what we heard from attorney, General Ellison out in Minnesota, the charges against those other officers, and that increase in charge against Shelvin. Well I'm very pleased I. Mean I think it's more than appropriate. I was concerned whether or not a three officers that were there failed to do anything whether or not they would be charged, so I'm very glad to hear. that. All four have been charged and I think charges are warranted in this case, and do you think that charging these other officers I know you say it's warranted, but is it also part of what's needed to change this dangerous culture in police departments? Well, I mean I it is warranted hopefully, pay attention and understand that you know. They have a duty to intervene most departments that I'm aware of. Out that as part of their policies, my understanding any attitude, although they didn't do it, so if you see something going on whether it's excessive force or any other form of misconduct, you have an obligation a duty to intervene and to stop it. They failed to do that. And so they were complicit as the police chief there said, and hopefully everyone takes note. That you have a responsibility that you have to live up to sanctity life. There is absolutely nothing more important than that in our job is. Please is to protect life. They failed to do that. We've seen. The unrest in America's would force yet again Americans who face this conversation about race, and specifically about race in policing, and how black people in America are treated by police officers, and where there is systemic racism aside some of these police forces in my question for you is as an African American police officer police chief. What does it inside a police department? You could take us inside with. African American police officers and white police officers are they to engaging in this conversation inside their own police force as officers trying to grapple with the complexities. Yeah. There's no question about that this case in particular as well as many that. Happened before those conversations do take place and you know, listen it. You know what we saw in. His video was horrific. There's no way you can justify is wrong. On so many levels air police officers, the vast majority of Hoon You do their jobs and do and do it well up. Certainly can't condone anything like that and so yeah, that discussion does take. The problem is that. We have close to eight hundred thousand. Some say may be a million police officers in the United States the majority of which do their job properly, but there are officers that should not wear the uniform and badge of a police officer anywhere. And we have to read our ranks so and that is the issue in my opinion How do you get rid of people? Who, just display. You know whether it's brutality. Verbal abuse misconduct. It doesn't matter in my opinion. They're not serving the public away. They ought to be serving the public and is very difficult to terminate a police officer and have it hold up. During arbitration, When I hear you saying is, there are bad actors who need to be dealt with, but is there not also something systemic in law enforcement? Well yeah, but stomach making society in general. Why would police be any different? I mean police get singled out in and I understand. But there's a stomach resum everywhere in our society. And we can ignore it and act like well. You know we fixed police everything else in America's going to be okay. Well it's not. So. That's not to say. The police don't need reform because police dooney. Maybe we can show the way to other parts of of our society, but there's racism in just about every aspect of American life, and if not outright racism. Implicit bias is a problem throughout society that we need to address. We need to confront and we need to make sure that we create a level playing field that everyone has equal opportunity whether we're talking about. A police interaction were talking about finding a job whether we're talking about healthcare education whatever it might be. There is discrimination and outright racism in some cases in different parts of our society. No doubt about that I want to have you take inside. What happens inside a Police Department Especially you ran to big cities Martian in Philadelphia when we see protests like this and a heavy police response occurs which at times creates friction that sort of is exactly in. In line with the point, the protesters trying to make earlier this week to college students in Atlanta were dragged out of their car taste by multiple officers, their car windows bashed in, so it's sort of this like escalation of a response and a response to the response, and I'm just wondering how a police force prepares to deal with this kind of tinderbox. Well, I think any Atlantic as they dealt with very quickly. That was inappropriate on the part of those officers. But when you stop and think about the number cities have protests, the number of people involved in protests, the number police officers that had to be dare to monitor the protests and make sure that it could be done in. No one got injured. Or what have you there weren't that many negative incidents now. The peaceful protests are not the issue. I mean during my career as chief in Washington DC in Philadelphia I. Don't Know How many protests I've. Had To? Be Involved in because they just happened so often. Normally, it's not a problem. But there is a small element that usually attaches itself to protest a narrow ones that really have a different agenda, and that's where you start to have the looting when you start having broken windows start to have. A fire set in those kinds of things. It's unfortunate because ninety nine percent of the people there protests aren't part of that. But it overshadows the legitimate grievances in a legitimate concerns at people that are protesting have one of the challenges in fact is police chief in having to deal with? This is that you know you have limited resources? Yeah, we've got a protests going on. Yeah, you have to have it adequately covered, but you still have regular nine one one call going on, you still have a violence taking place on the streets of our city, and you have to have enough people to cover that as well so it's really challenging, and your resources I gotTa Beast Stretched Very Very Fan, and I think he saw the consequences of that in some of the city's things got a little out of hand. When you hear the President United States, advising governors to quote dominate the protesters pushing to send in national. Guard troops threatening to invoke the insurrection of eighteen seven. What do you make of the sort militarization of policing? I mean it. The president is not helpful. He's not helpful at all. And when he says things like that, it just ends such a terrible terrible message so I. Just I don't know what to say about that other than than within policing. The vast majority of police chiefs ignore that and understand that that's not how you deal with problems like this. It just isn't as far as the so-called militarization police data variety of equipment at their disposal. Depending on what it is that they're dealing with me. If you have barricaded person heavily armed, obviously, you're going to need to have a certain equipment including firearms rifles, but have you baby armored vehicles in order to deal with that? My issue is always been a departments that don't have policies in place that clearly out when it's appropriate to even display, or you use that kind of equipment, and a demonstration is not a place. Place for you to do that. I mean you look at the Ferguson demonstrations from a few years back in the first night, heavily armored vehicles you know at one cop sitting on top of the vehicle will with a rifle i. mean you know that was ridiculous? And that was an unnecessary show of force, and that's what gets us in. Trouble is not that you don't need some of this equipment it's. When is it appropriate? It'd be able to display. I mean we still have to deal with the threat of terrorism. We step that deal with the just regular crime. In all these things you need more than tun in a flash. To be a police officer in today's world, but you know how much is too much, and that discussion needs to take place very quickly before I. Let you go, you know we've also seen police officers in places like New York Saint, Louis Las Vegas that have been injured some seriously amid the violence and the looting, so how completely separate these legitimate necessary protests from the mayhem that in some cases is targeting them I mean is that something you also have to deal with as a chief instantly think about sort of your force protection. It's very very difficult. you have to be able to identify the individual the specific individuals responsible. You mentioned some injuries in Philadelphia. Officers, intentionally run over by car. He suffered a broken arm, shattered shoulder, a fractured sternum, twelve broken ribs, and five fractures of vertebrae has neck and back. I don't recall even here in that on television, so I mean these are serious life threatening injuries. You know rare. Most protesters obviously are a part of anything like that, but yeah, that is a concern i. mean I it's it's difficult, but as police. We have an obligation. To See to it that people can safely exercise their First Amendment Rights, you may not agree with some of the protests, physicians, and so forth, but it's not up to us to make that decision. I mean our job is to protect their constitutional rights, and we do it even at risk. Sometimes, they're getting injured ourselves. And I think that's important you know. When we had occupied Philadelphia every single day at roll call I started woken by having the first. Amendment of the US Constitution read to every single officer there and we did every day every shift to remind them. Folks that are out here, protesting are not your enemy. They're not against. You have a constitutional right, and I'm sensitive to it. Because had it not been for the sacrifices in protests of the nineteen sixties, I would never become police chief in Washington. DC OR Commissioner of Philadelphia. It was their sacrificed. They gave me an opportunity and I hope the sacrifices that people making today. In light of what we're going through will benefit the youngsters up tomorrow. The future police chiefs, lawyers, doctors, and so forth they'll have more opportunity than perhaps my generation had. Chief Charles Ramsey thank you so much for joining us today. Really appreciate it. Okay, thank you. 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Thursday, June 4, 2020
"The! Former Defense Secretary Jim Madison's America has to unite without the president is joined other notable military figures in criticizing trump's handling of the protests. What do their voices mean to the President? I'm Steve Inskeep with David Green and this is at first from NPR news. All four officers involved in the killing of George Floyd or now being charged, and the charges against the officers seen with his knee on Floyd's neck had the second degree murder. The investigation is ongoing. We're following the path of all of the evidence wherever it leads what did lead to those new charges, and with the pace of layoffs down American starting to get back to work is a crippled economy showing signs of relief they with us. We have the news. You need to start your day. This message comes from NPR sponsor Abbott maker of ensure original nutrition Jake's with nutrients for immune system support, including protein, vitamin, a, antioxidants, vitamin, C and e Zinc and vitamin D more at ensure dot com support for this podcast and the following message come from integrative. Therapeutics for over thirty five years focused on manufacturing supplements with premium ingredients committed to helping people navigate their health journey. Integrative Therapeutics because confidence is healthy. Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis says president. Trump is a threat to the constitution. The president wants made Madison among his top advisors, elevating a marine with a storied career in uniform. Now Mattis has written a statement first published in the Atlantic he criticized the president's threat to use the military against protestors. He said the president has spent years trying to divide us and Mattis added. We need to unite around a common purpose and it starts by. By, guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law, which is what matters says, protesters are trying to do. Other former military leaders also criticized the president and current defense. Secretary Mark asper seemed to dismiss the president suggestion that he could send troops into the states, the option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement roles should only be used as a matter of last resort, and only the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now all right. Let's bring an NPR Pentagon correspondent. Tom Bowman Hi there Tom Hey David so former military leaders lining up to condemn a current commander-in-chief current sitting president. This is pretty unusual rain. It's highly unusual David. In this kind of harsh language, these kinds of attacks almost unheard of at times in the past you might get one or two criticizing policy move, but this was basically about character and fitness for office for Chamber the Joint Sheets of Steph Admiral Mike. Mullen wrote that the president trump's comments were welcome news to those countries who take comfort and art domestic strife. He said he worried about politicizing the men and. And women of our Armed Forces and Gimenez. We've just heard said. Trump is a first president in his life. WHO's trying to divide not unite the nation. And he said this is a consequence of three years without what he called. Mature Leadership Admiral James Stavridis, retired. Admiral said we cannot afford to have a future Lafayette Square end up looking like tenement square in David. There was also criticism of a defense secretary ash himself for using terms like battlespace in a contentious call with the nation's governors, and also for letting himself be part of what was largely a White House photo op that involve the aggressive dispersal of peaceful protesters Esper- said he regrets using the term battlespace. He was unaware he'd be involved in this photo op and he thought they were going out to thank National Guard. Troops, okay, so s for facing some criticism, but also as Steve said disagreeing with the president. It seems I. Mean This is the current defense secretaries. Talk a little more about what what he is saying here. You're not only, was he? Did. Not Want to use active duty troops in this situation, but he also spoke out forcefully about race and not something. You usually hear from a Pentagon official. He said racism is real in America. We must do our best to recognize that. And he said it was not a good idea again to use active duty forces a clear split with the white. House other army. Navy leaders also spoke out about racism in the wake of George Floyd's death. These are usually the kinds of statements coming from the President or an attorney, general or senior members of Congress, and not from senior Pentagon officials I mean Tom. Can you just step back from and you've covered the Pentagon for for years I mean what is the context here? What are you watching? First of all it's it's again an unprecedented for senior officers to retire. It's in your office to make such scathing attacks, but remember they're retired. We haven't seen any resignations of officers or other senior Pentagon officials yet. That's something I would look for. THAT IS NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman Tom thanks so much you David. and. Okay so, in Minneapolis all four of the police officers involved in the killing of George Floyd have now been charged Minnesota attorney. General Keith Ellison made that announcement yesterday. He also added a second degree murder charge against now fired Minneapolis police officer Derek shoving. Chavez the officer who's seen videos with his knee on George Floyd's neck, the other three officers at the scene are charged with aiding and abetting murder all right NPR national correspondent Leyla is in Minneapolis Hi Leila Hi, David so protesters there and around the country have been demanding these charges, or for at least these officers to be charged. What is the reaction to the so far? As you said this has been the major demand of protesters in the streets, and now they didn't get that first degree murder charge that they wanted, but as you mentioned, there's been an upgraded charges against shaven the news, though for them is really bittersweet. It fulfils at least one demand, but there's a lot of skepticism about follow through. I went to the corner where George Floyd was killed. Killed and met new Nichols. Here's what she had to say that we actually can get a conviction, and we actually can get police reform then I'll feel a lot better, but like right now it's kind of like a band aid being over like a big gaping open wound. We'll live talk to me about the Attorney General's decision here I mean. Of course they're already the charges against. that. That have been elevated, but but also now charging the other officers. He says after a long review of the evidence. He's got enough here to charge the rest of the officers, but we can't discount the intense pressure. There's been people pouring into the streets across the country. We also have to remember. Ellison was only tapped to lead the prosecution this week. Many demonstrators welcomed that move and African American reform minded attorney general, but demonstrators still wonder what took so long. They point out the irony. Irony of being cuffed and losing your life for suspicion over a counterfeit bill, meanwhile, even with fluids killing filmed. It took over a week to charge. All four of the officers accused of being involved. Ellison has said though all along that he needs to be meticulous here because this system has proven that it is very hard to convict a police officer especially when the victim is black or when the victim is poor. This was ellison's message to the Floyd family. His life had value. And we will seek justice for him, and for you and we will find now. He added that one successful prosecution. Not rectify the pain, so many people feel the solution to that pain. Will be slow and difficult work of constructing justice and fairness in our society. That work is the work of all of us. We don't need to wait for the resolution and investigation of this case to start that work together. We're GONNA. See the investigation. Go forward of course and then today. We have a memorial for George Floyd that that's happening in Minneapolis. Will what can you tell us about what we're going to see? Well for his family has flown into the city to mourn him at a sanctuary here. It's the first of several services that are planned. Reverend Al Sharpton Will Give a National Eulogy and. Will be limited because remember. There is a pandemic that still going on. NPR's Leila Fadel in Minneapolis later. Thank so much, thank you. As, we said there is a pandemic, that is still happening. The coronavirus pandemic and it has pushed unemployment in the United States to its highest level since the Great Depression, but the pace of layoffs has been slowing and was state starting to reopen. There's some optimism that the job market could begin to recover today the Labor. Department releases the weekly number of jobless claims, so he's recovery possible with pandemic still underway. Let's ask NPR. Chief Economics correspondent Scott horsely good morning. Scott good, too. So I mean this is an understatement. The news about the job market has just been so grim for two and a half months now any sign of a turnaround here. Maybe it's probably premature to say the job. Market is getting better, but it does seem to be getting a little less bad yesterday. The payroll processor ADP reported that about two point eight million private sector jobs were lost between April and may now that is a terrible number, but it's not nearly as bad as forecasters were expecting. It's possible. That's just a statistical fluke, but it could be a signal that more people are going back to work as businesses start to reopen when that Labor Department report comes out, we're going to be watching to see how many people applied for unemployment last week. That number is expected to drop below two million for the first time since March, and then we'll also be watching to see how many people dropped off the unemployment rolls as they went back to work when the number of people rehired, exceeds the number of people getting laid off. That is the beginning of a recovery, and that's when we can start to chip away at what are very high unemployment numbers. Is there any way to know Scott? How many of the people who've lost their jobs are getting help from the government. You know we still hear from people who are not getting unemployment benefits, and for some that's a real hardship. Rent came due for a lot of families this week, but the Century Foundation, which is a progressive think. Tank has been keeping tabs on this and they do say the pictures getting better. In the first three weeks of May, the government paid out more than seventy billion dollars in unemployment benefits. I talked yesterday. Stephen Engle in Nashville, he finally started getting benefits short time ago, after seven weeks of trying, it was a history. It felt like in one day from the poorest that ever been to the richest. And you know that's been a lifeline for Bengal who used to install Internet cable and security cameras? He is worried though about what's going to happen down the road. Remember. The federal portion of those unemployment benefits the extra six hundred dollars a week that Congress authorized during the pandemic that set to run out at the end of next month and Pinkel does not expect to be back to work by them. It's been so striking. Scott to see the unemployment rate in in our country I mean just at a storm levels and Department of Labor. We're GONNA get unemployment numbers for May tomorrow morning. What are we expecting? There's no question may was another bad month for the job. Market forecasters had been expecting a loss of about eight million jobs. That's on top of the more than twenty million disappeared. In April, if indeed the ADP number is a preview of what we hear from the Labor Department Friday then maze job. Loss number could be less bad though anytime. You're talking about job losses millions. Of course it's pretty scary. The official unemployment rate was fourteen point seven percent in April. It's going to be higher than that in May whether it's a little higher or a lot higher. We'll find out tomorrow. Chief Economics correspondent Scott horsely Scott thanks so much. You're welcome. Verse for Thursday June Fourth I'm David. Green and I'm Steve INSKEEP. Join US here tomorrow and remember you can subscribe to its wherever you listen to podcasts sir, you have a moment in review on Apple podcasts, and if you want more NPR news, we hope you do. There's a radio show I can suggest for you. It is NPR's morning edition. You can find it on your NPR. 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This Murder Went Viral
"Welcome to true crime recaps the only podcast bringing you all the crime in in half the time with double the you're not gonna believe this shit with your host the ones you've called if you had to hide body amy townsend when the killing stops. She's just getting started around seven seven a._m. On july fourteen discord an instagram users were unwillingly an audience to bianca devon's horrifying murder so through pictures pictures and selfish posted by bianca's friend brandon clark along with some fairly horrible captions we saw the aftermath out of what he did to her and then a few minutes later we saw selfish brandon took with his own throat partly slashed lading on on a tarp covering bianca's body made the murder weapon up black handled butcher knife as a key point to remember for later. It was lane near near his outstretched hand. Police say that he was still posting selfies as they were holding him at gunpoint trying to disarm him and welcome if we haven't met i'm amy newfound true crime recaps. It was pretty clear from the fact that he was trying to kill himself. At that moment. That brandon was ready to die for what he done. Even hours before this scene played laid out he went so far as to change his at yes juliette instagram bio to display his date of birth was ten six ninety seven and his date of death as that day seven fourteen nineteen and then of course the pictures he posted did went crazy viral and they stayed viral until instagram finally started taking down as many as they could find like hours later now everyone who seen them has freaking p._t._s._d. Thanks instagram. I can't get anyone and to explain why can't log in on my phone anymore but thank god you guys are on top of the important stuff and i'm talking about the boobs. I think we can all agree that what if her boobs were showing or her nipples. Sorry does pictures yeah they would have been taken down and hot second but before mr yes juliet photographer extraordinaire could toddle off to hell the utica a police showed up in the nicotine time probably because he'd actually called them himself and he was rushed to the hospital for emergency surgery three days brandon is feeling better and he doesn't seem to be in an apologetic mood anymore right now. He's in prison without bail after pleading. Get this not guilty to second degree murder interestingly interestingly the d._a. Office apparently offered him a slightly lighter sentence if he just plead guilty and save <unk> everyone a lot of time and hassle but he rejected their offer his next court appearance is scheduled for september sixteenth. It's now if he's convicted and in this day and age that's a big if but if he is convicted of second second degree murder he'll serve twenty five years to life. Why second degree you ask because first degree is premeditated even though there are so many weird things things about this story. That feels kind of premeditated but i'm not a lawyer. I'm no expert. I'm just person drinking bloody marys but it seems weird really quick though before we move on can we please talk about how he was able to even take selfies as he lay dying i find it hard to take pictures pictures and walk at the same time and really how do you plead guilty to something like this and he literally posted pictures of her dead body and a picture of himself saying that he'd killed her and then tried to kill himself and then he called nine one one saying he'd killed her and he was going to kill himself yourselves and then when the cops were there he was literally laying on her dead body saying that he'd done that and he was going to kill himself what but before i get too far into the events that led up to that horrible morning for those of us over thirty to truly understand this story. I think we need a quick vocab lesson because it's a brave new world out there kids and i do use urban dictionary to look up a lot of words so we're all gonna learn something new today. Ready okay discord. It's not just just disagreement between others anymore now. It's also a program where gamers can come together and chat. Hey fun. Fact a discord server is similar to a facebook group four chan that is an uncensored often horrifying online in community in cell so weird it means involuntary celibate. It's a term to describe men who are angry that women won't have sex with them in cell thoughts that is spelled t. h. O. t. and that stands for that ho oh over there orbiters that both you guys are kids are so creative refers to guys with unrequited. Pardon requested online crushes so orbiters unrequited online crushes eagles. That's a little harder. It's a general term about girls. Online who have sort of ak- similar look sort of anna may need scott meet sexy baby doll sort of vibe five it can be derogatory or complementary or ironic. I guess depending on who is saying it and who they're saying it to like how they're using it. In a sentence hashed that is a digital fingerprint that social networks used to prevent copies of offensive offensive content from being re uploaded as in bianca devon's murder pictures have been hashed from facebook and instagram l._n._m. <hes> that's this weird app that the kids used to reply or ask questions through their social media. It's supposed to be anonymous but your profile name is right right there so i don't know by romantic a sexual someone who is attracted to two genders not necessarily male and female a person who identifies this way is usually not necessarily interested in having sex but may do it just to please their partner be married. Oh you also need some quick facts about bianca brandon. She was seventeen. She's living in utica with her parents. He is twenty twenty one with the bridgeport new york which that's about an hour away from utica they met on instagram course but they knew each other in real life for a couple of months before this there is so much controversy about the exact nature of their relationship. It seems mm seems pretty obvious that he was way more to her than she wasn't a ham in fact there's a comment from her identifying n._f._l. In as bisexual on italian questionnaire shortly before she was murdered but other sources close to her i would assume say say that she was actually by romantic a sexual but often god whatever this is making my head hurt. Let's just say that whatever whatever the actual relationship was between them hit met her parents and he was with her on the night leading up to all of this. This is still with me. Are you shaking your head you will be i told you you needed an adult beverage so we have like a fairly detailed picture of what happened. The night leading up to this early morning murder thanks to the police investigation and among other media rolling stone dotcoms interview with a girl named shells sounds like a movie or a booker's something anyway. She says she was a friend of bianca's underscored so according to chills and you know those close to the investigation brandon and bianca drove to an all ages club in queens together as important point because a lot of people are saying that she she went and he stalked her <unk> found her there but that's not what happened. They did drive together to this. Club called the trans pecos. They were there to see this nicole l. dollars ganger show just so you know that's about a four four and a half hour drive from utica may got to that club about seven thirty and met up with with another guy that brandon new. I don't know if bianca already knew him or not. There may have been some smoking of cannabis by one one or all of the people in the story so far no judgment but at some point between when they got there at seven thirty and when they left around tan dan bianca kissed another guy this made brandon show mad. We know that because bianca bianca was sending direct messages about it to yet another friend of hers on discord the so busy girl says just a quick public service announcement aspen hair p._s._a. Smoking weed and drinking. If that's what was happening is a huge don't mean combining. Those two can lead due to a lot of aggression me. I'm not saying that that's caused. What happened of course just some friendly drug advice to take with you so sometime between the time. They got back she utica and remember. It's about a four hour drive. Maybe five hours and who knows if they it stopped anywhere so between the time they got back and seven a m it all the time brandon started posting those gruesome pictures the argument meant about the status of their relationship like defining the relationship got way out of control jisr total understatement now this i think is a really good place to include a very interesting factoid about brandon's since childhood. Let's just say this whole scene between him and bianca. It would have felt very familiar to him. Just nine years ago bread brendan's father jason clark held his wife hostage yeah brandon's mother for ten hours threatening to slit her throat and kill himself with get this a black handled butcher knife told you that was a key factor later why well because and tell i mean. This doesn't sound familiar. He thought she was cheating on him unlike his son the swat team was able to take jason clark down before he killed her butt or himself obviously but the whole thing is just it's way too identical to be a coincidence right. Tell me in the comments if you agree don't don't you think that this prompted something or messed him up in some way he would have been twelve at the time. I'm sure it was insanely traumatic for him of course if you were to ask jason clark he tell you what he told the media that brandon was raised right in a supportive family but but there was some dysfunction. What does this guy moonlight is. Donald trump speechwriter talk about glossing austin over the bad stuff. I mean come on and while we're on the subject of glossing over bad seth. I think it's worth noting in that. This murder isn't just thought provoking because of the social media this murder went viral aspect of it although that is certainly worthy of conversations -tations and the new guidelines that it's been sparking between bianca's family and legislators with instagram putting in new rules but that's all good but the interesting thing is we don't really as viewers visitors strangers get to see the graphic nick in result that dating violence and this pervasive toxic masculinity vibe that like permeating our culture right now literally lee. We don't usually get to see that delivered into our social. Media feed guys are afraid of rejection. Well most girls are afraid of what can happen if and when they reject the wrong guy and by posting every step of that murder brandon literally shoved the proof of what can happen when a guy needs to feel dominated yeah he laid it out in front of our collective faces in bianca wasn't some major social media star before she died. She had a few thousand followers. I mean after her death. That's when she gained aimed more than a hundred thousand she wasn't murdered by a jealous anonymous person in cell or an orbiter in this wasn't a celebrity murder where we can all sort of privately sit back and tell ourselves that when you put yourself out there that things can happen i mean although of course that's not not true but bianca was killed by someone she knew in real life someone that wanted to exert control over over her over her and what she did and she resisted that control and he killed her for it. Lori andrews very very smart woman who is also a law professor at the illinois institute of technology and the author of i know who you are and i saw what you did. Social networks works in the death of privacy long title but very aptly named. She said it best in u._s._a. Today i think there is an especially especially intense thing going on against women. Men are fighting for their maleness. They are fighting for other men and they are committing these acts and they're getting a lot of pats on the back for it. Yes girl exactly what i've been thinking except you know much smarter. Let me know if you agree or disagree with me but to me that aspect of it is what makes the bianca devon's murder case even more horrifying and yeah fascinating r. I p bianca. That's it for me. Thanks for coming tyring. Should we make this like a regular thing. Yeah hit subscribe and the belts be reminded until then stay safe and in what we know. We have a lot of murders to solve. Thanks for taking thirty minutes to catch up with true crime recounts. If you like to show please show your support with five stars a written review. Let's keep the conversation going. Join us on the socials at true in prime recaps and while you're feeling chatty. Don't forget to tell your friends to listen to true crime recaps see you next thursday.
NPR News: 06-04-2020 3AM ET
"Live from NPR. News. I'm Shay Stevens. Three more former Minneapolis. Police officers are facing charges in the death of George Floyd charges against the ex officer, accused of killing floyd by kneeling on his throat are being upgraded to second degree murder. NPR's David Cheaper reports from Minneapolis that Floyd's family is calling the new charges, a significant, a significant step forward on the road to justice Minnesota attorney-general Keith Ellison announced that he is amended the criminal complaint against former officer Derek Chevette to include a charge of unintentional second degree murder, while committing felony and today arrest warrants were issued or former Minneapolis police officers. Jay King Thomas Lane. and to town, the two officers who helped restrain floyd and the one who stood watch face felony charges of aiding and abetting second degree murder. I strongly believe that these developments are in the interests of justice for Mr Floyd, his family, our community and our state, if convicted, each man could get up to forty years in prison. David Schaper NPR News Minneapolis Congressional. Democrats in Washington are preparing sweeping package of police reforms in response to the death of George Floyd one measure would make suffocation by chokehold a federal crime. Defense Secretary Marcus per says he will not invoke an eighteen o seven law that allows the government to deploy troops on US soil as per says he's against using the military to police. Civilians look either everything I can to try stay apolitical and destroy trying to stay out of situations. That may appear political, and sometimes I'm successful doing that and and sometimes I'm not a successful, but my aim is to keep the department out of politics to stay apolitical, and that's what I continue to try and do as well as my leaders here in the department. Former defense! Secretary Jim. Mana says the president trump is creating a false conflict between the military and civilian society by suggesting that troops be used for policing. Protests for racial justice, continue across the United States sparking sympathy demonstrations overseas TERI Schultz reports on some of the protests that have been held in western Europe George. Floyd's dying words were immortalized by several thousand people in the Netherlands. I can't breathe. Protesters chanted as they marched through Rotterdam. Thousands turned out in London, to and Brenda Odhiambo is among those organizing demonstration in Brussels on Sunday. You're tired of this. We, are tired of racism and we want. To Act to protect black people Demba says the newly formed group which unites several organizations under the slogan black lives. Matter will continue using the current momentum to pressure the Belgian government for better integration and an end to police violence for NPR news I'm Teri Schultz in Brussels? You're listening to NPR news. Federal. Prosecutor investigating corruption within the United Auto Workers Union says he is not discounting the idea of a federal takeover. US Attorney Matthew Schneider Says Union. Reform is still needed. Schneider made the remarks yesterday after former. UAW President Gary Jones pleaded guilty to stealing more than a million dollars in union money Jones faces up to five years in prison plus fines of up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars for each count. Louisiana is bracing for tropical storm. NPR's Debbie Elliott reports that Christo ball is soaking Mexico's Yucatan peninsula and is forecast to reach the US Gulf coast this weekend. Forecasters predict CRISTOBOL will move into the Gulf of Mexico later this week and had north taking aim at Louisiana's coast. Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards says the coronavirus virus pandemic changes the way the state prepares for a natural disaster. And we went into hurricane season. We were doing so under a public health emergency, so we already have contingencies in place to as to how you've evacuate. If you need to do, search rescue if you need to. How to shelter Maga-, shelters for instance would use tense to isolate families from one another Christo balls, heavy rains and strong winds could affect an area from Texas to the Florida Panhandle Debbie Elliott NPR news a magnitude, five point five earthquake struck the California desert about one hundred fifty miles north east of Los Angeles last night. There were no reports of damage or serious injuries. I'm Shay, Stevens. This is NPR news.
June 4, 2020: George Floyd to be remembered at service in Minneapolis
"Good Morning I'm Taylor Wilson and this is five things you need to know. Thursday the Fourth of June two thousand twenty here are some of the top headlines, a security guard in southern China injured at least thirty nine people mostly children during a knife attack at a kindergarten former defense secretary James Mattis has denounced President Donald Trump for dividing and militarizing the country's response to protests and former president. Barack Obama is pushing mayors four police reform where always on on twitter, at USA Today podcast there you can stay up with all things five things including conversations surrounding our top stories of the day. That's at USA Today podcast on twitter now onto the show. George Floyd will be remembered on Thursday in Minneapolis Floyd died at the age of forty six on Memorial Day after White Minneapolis. Police officer, Derek Shaw and shoved his knee into Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes while he was handcuffed and saying that he could not breathe Thursday. Service will be held from one to three PM at North Central. University Reverend Al Sharpton will deliver a eulogy and Floyd's family members and family attorney Benjamin crump will also participate Derek. Shaw has been arrested for the killing and being charged for second degree murder. Three other cops have also been charged Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison it. We're here today because. George Floyd is not here. You should be here. You should be alive, but he's not. About nine days ago, the world watched floyd. Or is very last words. I can't breathe as he pled for his life. The world heard Floyd call out for his Mama and cried out. Don't kill me. Just two days ago when I became the lead prosecutor in the murder of Mr Floyd, I asked for time to thoroughly review all the evidence in the case, and we looked at the evidence available in the. Investigation is ongoing at this time. I also said that I know it's asking a lot of people that give us time tickly people who have suffered for decades and centuries of injustice to be patient. For today at filed an amended complaint. Charges, the charges former Minneapolis police officer. Derek Chavan with murder in the second degree. Or the death of George Floyd I. Believe the evidence available to us. Now supports stronger charge of second degree murder. We've consulted with each other and we agree but Floyd family attorney. CRUMP said on Wednesday that it's not time to celebrate. Celebrate because an arrest is not a conviction. And we what justice in a we don't want pasta justice. We bought whole justice. Meanwhile protests continue around the country following Floyd's death in New York. Police are still strictly enforcing a curfew that critics say a chance to go after peaceful protesters and journalists. There were also videos circulating on social media of officers chasing after people with batons as they walked home in Washington. The National Guard was deployed and the perimeter around the White House expanded clear Thornton was in the streets near the White House and spoke with the number of protesters including Asia McLaughlin. WHO lives in Maryland. She raised about one thousand dollars in twenty four hours so that she could go pass out. Gallon sized lock bags full of food and water bottles. She also got cloth to make her own face for protesters. So it's Wednesday afternoon I'm out here in front of Lafayette Park I'm here with key Asia McLaughlin. And she is bringing food and water to protesters. I just went on social media and ex monetary donations. For water snacks, chips and Granola bars for people who are protesting and more extensively than that homeless people who are who are also out here and I've also gotten money for fabric from mass, so that people can protest, but to still be protected from Cova nineteen, so it's just out of the kind of me and my family. We just wanted to just make sure people can have the proper supplies and nutrients as they stand out here for hours. Can you tell me a bit more about your choice to organize these resources and so many ways our basic resources, but so many people need them right now. It was really. Really simple and I was kind of overwhelmed at the quick response, that I had twenty four hours I raised about a thousand dollars. And then we're going to the store the next morning. We got everything in just bagged it up, so it was. It was so simple, and it shows that it's the small things that matter, but they make a big difference to people who could lead to sit out here and suggest who want their voices to be heard. Can you tell me more? This is like a more personal question about what these past several days have meant to you. Why are you showing up? Why are you protesting? I am the oldest of four children I have two younger black brothers, and so more than just saying judge Floyd in the street or parents stories about Trayvon Martin Orlando Casteel. I just see somebody who could be close to me and I I never WANNA. Feel invincible. I never want to hear something as sad as that and think well. It didn't happen to me because as frequent as it is, it could, and so that puts that fire meets just to seduce. Small things into show that I care this great to be out here in to not see the is a black people. Problem is great to see people of different ethnicities backgrounds. Backgrounds, women, men, different colors, and to see like the unity, and that people see that it takes all of us. It makes me feel that clear also spoke with Corinne Johnson out for her second day of protests in DC. Who shared her thoughts on? How nationwide police brutality black Americans has led to mass protests this week? Let lead decision to come out and Shell up and voice your support. I feel like there's an open season on black people by the police. That, it's a the entire system, I truly believe is corrupt and broken eight works for White People. And most of the white people I know do believe do see the police protection system, but a lot of the black people I know. Don't see it that way. Calling the police on a black person is. A threat I wear. Their lives could be taken, or they will end up in jail. And for an extended amount of time. For some small thing or even if it wasn't an issue. Could end up becoming an issue I. Think George. Floyd is just a catalyst for hundreds of thousands of people who have just been. Watching black people died. I think any time any place you ever see somebody. Go out like. Police officer gets a call about a fraudulent bill and comes back with A. With a person whose dad! That automated to me, means something went wrong. Something happened. The system broke down and took four days and people protesting in the video, coming out for them to be like Oh maybe. Something went wrong and for him to get arrested I. Don't think the person who called about. The fraudulent bill is at fault because that is the policy procedure that they're supposed to follow. A person being calling the police to check fraudulent bills should not lead to the death of else. And I think the breakdown happened in the police with the police and happened in the police system like it continually happens and the police someone it involves black people there have been protests in all fifty states DC, and around the world in recent days against police violence toward black people stay with USA Today Dot Com for all the latest. The three men accused in the murder of Maud Aubrey are set to appear in a Georgia court on Thursday morning or Burri twenty five year, old black man was shot three times on February twenty third after white father and son Gregory and Travis McMichael chased him down while he was jogging. The incident happened just two miles from his home in Brunswick. A third white man Roddy O'Brien junior captured the killing on video, but the three men were not. Not Arrested until may more than two months after the killing took place, legal proceedings have also been clouded by prosecutor. Conflicts of Interest Glenn County District Attorney Jackie Johnson and where county district attorney George Barnhill recused themselves from the case because of their connections to Gregory McMichael a former investigator with Johnson's office. Thursday's hearing is not a bond hearing and a bond hearing had not been scheduled. The hearing is set for nine thirty A. M. Eastern time. Massive, unemployment in the US continues on Thursday another one point. Eight million jobless claims are expected to be reported. That would be a drop for the ninth straight weeks since claims peaked at six point, nine million at the end of March, but the number would push total unemployment claims over the past eleven weeks to a staggering forty two point five million, in addition to those seeking unemployment, many other Americans have seen pay cuts amid the coronavirus pandemic and an economic disaster not seen since the Great Depression. Testing remains at the forefront of the near future of the COVID, nineteen health crisis, and Wuhan China the believed origin of the pandemic says it has succeeded in carrying out tests for all eleven million people, including children under the age of six meanwhile, and the US public health experts are worried about infections at mass protest gatherings ordered Professor of Epidemiology William Manage expressed concerns to the Associated Press. There are likely to be. And unpredictable flare-ups fulling these protests as I say it's not going to be quite a web. They could have a protest or through other things connected with it traveling to it arrested. It's time to someone and. I think there's no question. Bump that we'll be able. You've not necessarily GONNA immediate need. No, because of the fact that as we were saying, isn't. We don't actually have good. Populations of anywhere so just I mean it's going to be an actual up this. You're not going to notice the consequences until people have fallen ill. getting counted in a few weeks was on. If maybe you won't see the consequences until community transmission leads to a burst of infections in. which will be a few weeks away? There have now been more than one hundred seven thousand deaths from covid nineteen in the US part of more than three, hundred, eighty, four, thousand around the world. NBA Fans may finally be about to get some good news. The League's Commissioner. Adam silver plans to propose a finish to the current season at Thursday's virtual board of governors meeting the move requires three-fourths owner approval, and they are expected to approve the plan, but there is a chance that discussion evolves and immediate Thursday vote does not take place. The proposal would bring twenty two of the League's thirty teams to Orlando with thirteen from the western conference and nine from the east after eight regular season games and potential play in. 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AP One Minute Headlines Feb 11 2019 12:00 (EST)
"We came looking for real main winter, and we found it we were headed to the lodge. The fire really the only thing I wanted was some hot cocoa and one more foot of snow. I forgot that days like this last longer than we think this trail these woods these patents these stories. They start with us. They stay with us plan. Your main winter getaway at visit main dot com. What's the best thing about broadcasts? It's that you can still listen to them during Creamer hunting season, come down the rare white cream egg and being with a chance to win a sweep prize of up to ten thousand euro, join us Philo Creebec hunters and find out more by visiting Cadbury. Ireland on Facebook Twitter. Demand for a new sentence for convicted police officer. I'm Tim Maguire than AP news minute. Illinois, attorney general Kwami a role has asked the state supreme court to order a new sentencing hearing for former Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke convicted in the Quan McDonalds murder judge gave Van Dyke lesson seven years in prison for that second degree murder. Thousands of Denver public school. Teachers are on strike demanding higher pay. Kathleen Brown says she and others just can't afford the job very talking about his teacher work fulltime. And do what is necessary for our students students in at least one school walked out of class in support of their teachers city schools remain open staffed by administrators end substitute, teachers arson. Investigators looking into a small fire yesterday morning at a Planned Parenthood clinic, Columbia, Missouri. The fire was quickly put out by the building's sprinkler system. There were no injuries. I'm Tim McGuire. I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. We've created a new way to protect you from unpredictable interest rates are exclusive rate shield approval. I we lock your interest rate for up to ninety days. Then if rates go up your rate stays locked. But if rates go down your rate drops either way you win. Call us today at eight hundred quicken or go to rocketmortgage dot com, racial approval. Only about on certain thirty year fixed rate loans. Call for cost information and conditions. Equal housing lender. Licensed in all fifty states and less number thirty thirty additional conditions or exclusions may apply.
Feb 27, 2020
"Hello and welcome back to sort n scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Thursday February twenty seventh coming up on sort unskilled daily. A Florida woman was arrested on suspicion of murder after allegedly leaving her boyfriend trapped suitcase for hours in Mississippi. Five teams have been charged with capital murder in connection with the death of sixteen year old Madison Harris. Finally Massachusetts a father was sentenced to sixteen to twenty years for attempting to murder several daughter by injecting drain cleaner into her intestines. All this and more coming up on sword and scaled daily W. F. TV news nine reports that forty two year old Sarah Boone of winter park. Florida was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of second degree murder of her boyfriend. Forty two year old horry Torres Junior. Investigators allege the Boone Zip towards inside a suitcase and left them trump for hours until he died at approximately one PM on Monday. Boone called nine one one to report. The Torres was deceased. When deputies responded boon explained the death as a Drunken Accident Boon claimed that she and Torres had been drinking and decided to play a game of hide and seek when Torres climbed into the suitcase and she's zipped shut as a joke then. She passed out for several hours forgetting to let him out according to Boon she woke at eleven. Am to the sound of her cell phone ringing. When she couldn't find tours in the residence she recalled that he may have still been in the suitcase. She looked and found him inside unresponsive and not breathing. Ems who responded to the scene pronounce towards dead deputies notice small injuries towards his face. That seemed inconsistent with Boone's account of events. There was a small rations to his mouth and some swelling around one eye. Boone surrendered her phone for deputies to search on the phone. They discovered two videos which allegedly show part of the incident in the first video. Taurus is reportedly seen crying out boone's name repeatedly while trapped inside the suitcase. She responds quote for everything you've done to me. Fu the exchange continued with Torres. Saying I can't breathe seriously twitch boone responds. Yeah that's what you do to me when you choke me. Oh that's what it feels like. When you cheat on me you should probably shut the F. up towards can reportedly be seen pushing on the suitcase from the inside as if he was trying to escape. The second video shows the suitcase in a different position. The recordings which have not been released to the public were considered sufficient evidence to rest boon for second degree murder. She was taken into custody on Tuesday and appeared in court on Wednesday our next story breezes to Mississippi W. L. O. X. News reports that five teens have been charged with the murder of sixteen year old Harris. Who was shot to death in her home in Biloxi on Monday? The teens ages fifteen to seventeen were charged with capital murder and will be tried as adults. According to the Biloxi Police Department Harris was shot during a robbery attempt inside the home she shared with her father. Grandmother and her grandmother's fiance James Waldeck. The suspects are fifteen year old. Jasmine Kelly seventeen-year-old Jarvis cook seventeen year old. Jock has porter and sisters seventeen year old kisha black men and fifteen year old willow. Blackman police say they used a gun to try and Rob Madison and shot her. After an altercation broke out after the shooting the suspects fled in all different directions. Police searched the neighborhood and all five or taken into custody on Monday afternoon. You quiche willow. Black men were arrested at a house located across the street from Madison's House Madison Harris's relatives reject the police's theory. That Madison was shot in a robbery. Gone Wrong James Waldwick the grandmothers fiancee told W LX. He believed the attack was planned won't exceed. He came to this conclusion after examining his doorbell camera footage from Monday. The camera is installed on the rush door. Wallich stated the in the recording quote Madison. Was there her very good friend. Paul and her dad was in the back yard raking leaves. One girl came in. I saw ring doorbell about a half hour before and then according to my ring doorbell four of them charge into an unlocked door here in the carport and within a matter of ten seconds to shooting in the screaming and then running out the door being chased by Paul her friend and her Dad Waldeck told the outlet he knew some of the suspects quote. They were in her house. I thought his friends a number of different times. They just live two or three doors down and across the street. According to Waldeck the motivation for Monday's attack was not robbery but retaliation. The Harris family believes that at least some of the suspects were responsible for breaking other house. Two weeks ago quote. Of course the police were called and we were pressing charges against that first crime. And we're afraid that this may have been retaliation against us for reporting there crying premeditation definitely because the video of the doorbell last fifteen or thirty seconds for them to come in shoot. You're screaming and then everyone running out the door. Bail for four of the five teams has been set at one million dollars. Jarvis Cook was denied. Bail because at the time of the alleged attack. He was already free on bail on an assault charge after the break. A Massachusetts father since the sixteen to twenty years for injecting drain cleaner into a seven year old daughters intestines off now for our final story of the day. The Daily Hampshire Gazette reports that thirty-seven-year-old Christopher Conley was sentenced on Monday to between sixteen and eighteen years in prison for medically abusing his daughter. This follows his conviction on Friday on charges of attempted murder assault and battery on a child by means of a dangerous weapon and assault and battery child causing substantial physical injury. His former wife. Julie Conley is also charged with abusing the child and faces four counts of assault and battery on a child causing substantial bodily injury. She's pled not guilty and her case is scheduled to go to trial on March ninth. The jury found that on April Fifteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen call me injected drain cleaner into a seven year old daughters intestines and then overdosed on painkillers. The corrosive fluid caused extensive damage to the child's inner organs in a series of surgeries. Doctors had to remove two thirds of her small intestines and one third of her bladder. She was hospitalized until February. Two Thousand Sixteen the Child Now. Twelve has since been adopted at trial. Her adoptive mother testified that she still suffers from health problems. As a result of the assault as Mass Live reported in two thousand sixteen. This was a case of suspected medical abuse or Munchausen by proxy. According to the prosecutors. Both parents were involved in medical abuse. And in interactions with doctors quote. Both parents either did not mention previous medical treatments and are tests. Done and misrepresented minimized or exaggerated medical testing results. The commies claimed that their daughter was born with Monaco drill disease and other genetic conditions which required frequent medical interventions medical staff. I alerted to the couple as possible. Abusers in two thousand nine. The child was temporarily removed from their custody. During which period offers symptoms went away but in two thousand eleven she was returned to her biological parents. On April Fifteenth. Two Thousand Fifteen. The colonies daughter was hospitalized and had US economy tube used to flush the intestines installed to treat constipation during the day. Performer injected liquid plumber. Interest cost me tube causing serious damage to internal organs. Both parents were suspected. In the April Fifteenth Assault Christopher was ultimately charged with attempted murder. Because in May two thousand fifteen he confessed the poisoning his daughter in a police interview in three hour long confession which was played for the jury at trial. Christopher admitted to injecting the liquid plumber into this economy tube and then giving his daughter in overdose of painkillers he claimed he did so to enter suffering. Because we're congenital. Health problems made her life unbearable at trial. Call to the stand and recanted the confession. The defense argued that doctors misidentified the damage to the child intestines. As a result of corrosive burns when in fact it was caused by insufficient blood flow due to clogging. The jury deliberated for a day before finding Conley guilty. The judge denied the defense's request for a sentence of seven and a half years saying the case warranted quote addressed upward departure from Massachusetts sentencing guidelines. He was therefore since the sixteen eighteen years with credit for two and a half years spit in custody pending trial before we go. We have a couple of updates on cases we've been following Salvator Nello who is charged with negligent homicide in connection with the death of his granddaughter. Eighteen month old khloe wagon has changed his plea from not guilty to guilty. Khloe died in July and a fall from an open window on board the Freedom of the seas cruise ship while it was docked in Puerto Rico. She'd been on a family vacation with her. Parents paternal grandparents maternal grandmother and Salvatore the exact circumstances of clothes fall for now the subject of legal debate. According to Puerto Rico prosecutors salvator picked chloe up set an open window which was about eleven floors high and the lost his balance dropping her out the window but close family has filed a wrongful death suit against the cruise operator Royal Caribbean. There soup claims that Khloe wandered off to the windows and as Salvator to pick her up so she could on the windows. He held her up to window. He did not realize was open and she leaned forward and fell. They claim the cruise line was negligent because the windows could be opened and there are no warning signs near them. The family's lawyer Michael Winkelmann give the following statement to CNN quote. This decision wasn't incredibly difficult. One for Salvator in the family but because the plea agreement includes no jail time and no admission effects it was decided to be in the best interest of the family. This change of plea doesn't have any impact on the lawsuit against Royal Caribbean. We still maintain. This was a tragic preventable accident. That never would have occurred. If Real Caribbean followed the industry standard. Our second update has to do with missing Tennessee. Evelyn Boswell Bosmo was last seen in December but was only reported missing last week. She's been the subject of an amber alert since February nineteenth W. J. H. L. Channel Eleven reports that Evelyn's mother Megan. Boswell was arrested on Tuesday for filing a false report court documents submitted at her hearing on Wednesday show police believe she's been giving them false information on Evelyn's whereabouts initially claiming. The child was with her father. Ethan Perry who was on active duty in Louisiana. Then she allegedly told investigators that her mother. Angela Boswell who babysits Evelyn? While Megan is at work kidnapped and took her to a campground in Mendota Virginia. Megan repeated very similar story in interview with Channel Eleven Angela Basel and her boyfriend William Macleod. Were arrested last week in North Carolina on unrelated charges and return to Tennessee. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation stated they are quote believed to have information on the girls whereabouts on Wednesday afternoon Sullivan County. Sheriff Jeff Cassidy confirmed that the search for Evelyn is currently focused on a pond in North Carolina. That's it for today's episode of sort skilled daily. We'll see back here tomorrow and until then stay safe. Sort and scale daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Hagar executive producer. 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The Rebirthing of Candace Newmaker
"Hey you love music but have a hard time. Keeping up with the Tabernacle we gotta show all about news so join me Joan Array dummy and me cash flow weekly feature nailed it as we discussed the current events in the world of music with our guests cross replacement of music from listen things can get pretty heated first of all fucking or we always guarantee sounds when you're asking so check us out wherever you listen to podcasts and if you want your music featured on this show emails Jona Radio R. A. Y. At G. L. DOT COM Welcome to murder minute today. Can this new maker but I your true crime crime headlines a fight between two teenage boys which was witnessed and recorded by dozens of other teens resulted in the stabbing death of one and second degree murder charges for the other the pre-arranged fight took place outside of a strip mall in Long Island the victim sixteen year old casin Morris had been seen walking another boy's girlfriend home and was threatened by that boy and told to come to the Strip mall after after school and be ready for a fight when Morris arrived at the predetermined location a fight broke out between the sixteen year old high school senior and a group group of boys from another school during the Fight Morris was stabbed once in the chest and died from his injuries after reviewing viewing video of the incident police were able to identify eighteen year old tyler flock as one of the assailants he was arrested and charged with second degree degree murder win speaking to reporters Nassau County Police Detective Stephen Patrick expressed his frustration that so many teams had stood around watching watching and recording the fight rather than trying to help however he also requested that any teams with recordings of the incident should turn those over to police police who are continuing to investigate there were more than fifty teens present for the fight which also resulted in a broken arm and in head injuries for another boy. The family of Casino Morris has established a gofundme me to pay for his funeral investigators in southern California have identified the killer of a young girl who vanished while riding her bike outside of her family's home on Thanksgiving Wchs Giving Day of Nineteen seventy-two the partially nude body of that girl eleven year old Terry Lynn Hollis was found the next day by some fishermen chairman she had been raped and strangled her case went cold and remained unsolved for nearly half a century in two two thousand four detectives submitted DNA samples collected from the victim and entered it into the nationwide. DNA database known as cody's at the time I am the database was still in its infancy and did not return a match then in two thousand eighteen detectives contacted Para Bonanno labs a company company that uses genealogy to identify suspects through DNA this time their efforts were successful and the young girls killer was identified S. Jake Edward Brown Brown who died in Arizona in two thousand three had two other rape convictions and is now being investigated as a suspect in several other unsolved cases the brother of Terry Lynn Hollis who was sixteen at the time of her murder expressed his gratitude to police during a news conference conference saying that he wished his parents were still alive to see the case solved murder charges have have been dropped against five Chicago teenagers whose fourteen year old accomplice was shot and killed by a homeowner during a failed robbery attempt last month the teens ranging in age from fourteen to eighteen years old drove up to the home in a stolen lexus and drew the attention of the homes owner a seventy seventy five year old man with a legal licensed firearm. He stepped onto his porch and yelled at the teens at which time two of them began to approach him fearing for his life he fired one shot which struck the fourteen year old and killed him. The rest of the teens got back into the stolen lexus us and drove away leading police on a chase through the area which only ended when the car ran out of gas. All of the teens were charged under under a law that allows for murder charges if someone is involved in a felony that results in deaf speaking to reporters this week the Lake County State's attorney stated that even though the law allows for murder charges in this case he was exercising discretion and basing the new charges on the age of the offenders the law and the evidence I and facts in each individual case the only named defendant eighteen year old Diamond Davis of Chicago will be charged with conspiracy commit burglary and criminal trespass to a motor vehicle. She is expected to plead guilty when she appears in court next week. Because the rest of the the accused are juveniles they have not been named and their charges will not be announced though the state's attorney insured the public that all defenders will be held responsible bill and face appropriate sentences those true crime headlines up next the rebirthing a canvas new maker but first a quick break. Welcome back to murder minute on today's episode. The rebirthing of candidates new maker candace Tiara elmore was born on November nineteenth nineteen eighty nine to Angela and todd awed elmore and Lincoln to North Carolina. Todd and Angela neglected their children and soon canvas her younger brother Michael and her sister Chelsea were removed from the home and separated todd awed and Angela's parental rights were terminated and at age five candace and her siblings were put up for adoption two years later candace was adopted by forty two year old unmarried pediatric nurse Jean Elizabeth with new maker Jeans were because a pediatric nurse made her a uniquely qualified caregiver gene seemed seemed the perfect candidate to adopt a child like candice but candice wasn't embracing her new mother gene spent months trying to connect with her new daughter but candice simply wasn't forming an attachment to her or four to anything else within months of the adoption gene began taking canvas to a psychiatrist interest gene was worried about candice's behavior she showed little regard for her surroundings she played with matches shows and she killed her goldfish candace was diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder a psychiatric condition thought to be caused by the failure of normal bonding with a parent or caregiver during infancy similar similar to PTSD and borderline personality disorder reactive attachment disorder or Rad has its onset before the age of five live and is characterized by difficulties in establishing and maintaining trusting relationships and by emotional disturbances in social situations and symptoms include failure to establish eye contact persistent lying and stealing poor more impulse control cruelty to animals and the seeming lack of conscience over for the next two years gene took canvas to multiple therapists who treated her with various medications and therapies but canvas appeared to be getting worse gene told friends candace was assaultive and difficult to control. She flew into furious tantrums which would last for hours. Jeanne was worried in two thousand gene new maker heard of a fringe treatment called rebirthing a form of attachment attachments therapy developed in the nineteen seventies by psychotherapist Leonard or your children seldom undergo go the process of rebirthing but gene heard of a therapist in Colorado named Cornell Watkins who offered gene and candice a two week intensive program for seven thousand dollars desperate gene and now ten year old candice traveled across the country to Evergreen Colorado and began treatment after week and a half of attachment therapy Connell Watkins the unlicensed psychotherapist out of whose home the therapy was taking place ice decided that candace new maker was ready for rebirthing candice would be tightly wrapped in a sheet beat and laid under a pile of pillows weighed down by the therapist and her assistance to simulate the birth canal candice would would then have to struggle her way out of the sheet and be reborn into the arms of her loving mother. The theory was that if the child could be reduced to an infantile state and accept that she is helpless without her mother when she finally exited the simulated womb she would be able to trust love and obey her mother waiting to embrace her gene and canvas could then start over reliving candice's Early Childhood Development on April Eighteenth. The rebirthing candice new maker began the seventy minute session was videotaped taped Cornell Watkins was assisted by marriage and family therapist Julie Ponder and to therapy parents terrence British Saint Clair and Jack mcdaniel a navy blue flannel sheet was laid out on the floor ponder told candice to lay down on the sheet and assume the fetal position so oh imagine yourself as a tiny little baby inside your mother's moon and what it felt like she told candice as bound her in the sheet warm it felt tight because her stomach was all around you ponder then twisted the ends of the she'd above candidates head and the four adult bolt placed pillows on top of her and pressed on her. Their combined weight was seven hundred pounds. What do you think you thought about when you were in their ponder asked. I thought I was going to die. candace responded ended gene played her part as the expectant mother. I'm so excited. I'm going to have a new baby she said I hope it's a girl. I'm going to love her to hold her and tell her stories. I'm going to keep her very safe. Every day won't be together author and she'll be with me forever. The therapists asked candice if she believed her mother was saying came the boy's from under the sheet. They asked her how that made her feel. Happy Candice replied the Therapists Applied Pressure simulating contractions. If the baby doesn't doesn't decide to be born she will die what consent when the baby decides to be born. It's a wonderful thing ponder added so little baby. Are you ready to be born. Replied canvas come out. headfirst ponder said you have to push really hard with your feet. If you stay in there you're GonNa die in your Mommy's GonNa die. candace struggled who's sitting on me. She asked I can't do it. candace had been inside the sheet with the weight of four adults on top of her for almost nine minutes. I can't do it. She cried my hands. Come out I sometimes times. It takes eighteen hours to be born. Watkins replied canvas started to panic. I can't do it. I can't do it. She screamed. I can't breathe. I can't breathe whoever is pushing on my head. It's not helping candice continued to fight under the sheet with the four therapists kept her pin. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't can't breathe. It's too dark under here. Please quit pushing on my head. I can't do it. Somebody's sitting on top of me. At almost I eleven minutes Kansas Moaned. Somebody's on top of me. Where am I supposed to come out right here here. Where my finger is eleven minutes and twenty six seconds I can't do it. Kennedy's the screamed I'M GONNA die. Ponder taunted candice. Do you want to be reborn or do you want to stay in there and die. Candice Moaned and cried and screamed crushed under seven hundred pounds. She struggled so intensely that she kicked in almost three foot tear in the sheet with her socked feet. quit pushing on me please. She begged quit squishing my legs. I'M GONNA die. Do you WANNA die. Ponder asked no Kennedy said but I'm about to please please. I can't breathe. She begged twelve minutes. Thirty thirty seconds can't do it anymore. Please quit pushing on me thirteen minutes twelve seconds. I need some help. Candice cried how help me please. Are you feeling the contractions. Mall Watkins asked Jean I am. She replied thirteen minutes forty three three seconds. Where am I to go right here. Right here. Candice begged. I'm supposed to go right here. Where am I to go right here right here. Candice pecked. I'm supposed to go right here. Please please. He's candace was screaming okay. I'm dying okay. I'm dying. I'm I'm sorry fourteen minutes thirty one seconds okay. I'm dying so I'm going to die fifteen minutes thirty seconds. I want to die sixteen ecksteen minutes eight seconds. Can you let me have some oxygen canvas begged. You mean like you want me to die for real. Ponder replied die right now and go to heaven. Go ahead and die right now. Now Ponder said for real for real okay I'm done. It's not always easy. Peter Live Watkins lectured. You have to be really strong. Live life a human life seventeen minutes seven seconds candice is having trouble breathing get off. I'm sick get off where am am. I supposed to come out. She asked again where but how can I get there. Just go ahead and dye what can scoffed. It's easier sure it takes a lot of courage to be born. You said you would give me oxygen. Kennedy said you gotTA fight for it. What can reply nineteen minutes fifty seconds candice vomited did inside the sheet okay. I'm throwing up. I just threw up. I gotTA poop poop. All five adults ignored her twenty. One minutes twenty four seconds candice defecated on herself. I'm going in my pants. Go ahead ponder said stay in there with poop and vomit what can mocked twenty three minutes twenty two seconds. You can screamed help. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. It's hot. I can't breathe. I'm so excited to have this baby. Jean said I'm waiting for you to love you and to hold you scream. Candice ponder jeered replied canvas aw baby. I love you already gene said cheerfully trying to encourage canvas. I'll hold you and love you and keep you safe forever. Don't give up on your life before you haven't thirty three minutes forty four seconds. Candice Silent Jack mcdaniel repositioned himself over her head on the pillow. Candice Ponder paused. No Response Ponder took another pillow from Jean. She needs more pressure over here so she can't so she really needs to fight getting pretty tightened here. Watkins Taunted Yep Ponder added less and less air all the time. Candice didn't move forty minutes. Let's mcdaniel and ponder repositioned themselves on their pillows again. She gets to be stuck in her own pew. You can poop ponder said uh-huh added Watkins. It's her own life quitter. Oh No came a small voice from under the tightly wound sheet the final word of the ten ten year old girl. Mama got you this far. Now it's up to you said mcdaniel candice is used to making her life. If everybody else's problem said Watkins she's not used to living her own life. quitter quitter quitter quitter quick quick quick quit said ponder under she's a quitter gene left the room and watch the rebirthing recording on a TV monitor for the rest of the session. This baby doesn't WanNa live. mcdaniel said she's a quitter. The therapist took a break as they sat atop the ten year old girl making idle Chitchat so and so was under a lot of stress their dream homes and that million dollar property nearby the one that was being remodeled one hour nine minutes and fifty three seconds. Watkins finally decided that it was time to UNWRAP candice. Let's talk to the TORP. Oh there. She is sleeping in her vomit. Gene Newmaker Screen Green Ono God. She's dead. Canvas Lips and fingers were blue gene rushed into the room and attempted. CPR as Watkins called nine one one paramedics arrived ten minutes later later they managed to restore candice's pulse and candace was rushed by helicopter to a hospital in Denver but she was brain dead before the morning arrived ten year old candice new maker died from a brain stem herniation and cerebral Dima brought on by mechanical is fixing extra a a year later Cornell Watkins and Julie Ponder were tried for reckless child abuse resulting in death jurors wept upped gasped and put their hands together in prayer as they watched the heartbreaking seventy minute videotape and candice is pleased for help slowly quieted at the fifty minute mark over the course of the seventy minute rebirthing session candice told the adults eleven times that she was going to die emergency medic Larry Fairer error described finding the ten year old girl cold blue and clammy with dead eyes and no heartbeat the Serapis defense lawyers argued that a heart defect and the high altitude in Colorado may have contributed to the girls staff Watkins testified that she had learned this style of attachment therapy and the rebirthing technique from new agers. There's in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. She insisted that she had previously performed the rebirthing four times and found it to be effective in releasing the rage of children in other tapes of the two weeks worth of sessions candace was seen being treated with an attachment catchment therapy technique known as strong sitting the ten year old sat absolutely motionless for ten and twenty and thirty minutes at a time two psychologists and psychotherapists testified for the prosecution none but none of the therapies on canvas had been shown to be effective and that the treatment violated professional codes of ethics it also appeared to violate the Nuremberg Code on permissible medical experimentation the standard used at the trial of Nazi doctors after World War. Two you the last image of ten year old candice new maker shown to the jury was of her sitting cross legged GD staring blankly at the camp ponders defense attorney. Joan Heller told jurors in her closing argument. This was not child abuse. This was done for therapy. This was done for all the best intentions pensions to try to make sure that this child got a chance the three week trial drew awareness to the controversial birthing practice which prompted statements of condemnation by psychotherapists and other psychiatric and medical professionals around the country. Michael Jazz no adolescent psychoanalyst and head of the Child and Adolescent Psychotherapy Program at George George Washington University's doctoral program psychology told CNN that quote something like rebirthing is just not recognized method of treatment. I can't imagine anything that would be worse for the child because one of the features of reactive attachment disorder one of the definite defining features is you're looking at a child where the adult world has failed in some way you're looking where the needs if the child the emotional needs and care have somehow been broken or disjointed and to wrap a child put a child child and a terrifying situation and then to disregard her overt. Please of terror would be not only a horrifying thing but on on the face of it exactly what you would not want to do with a child suffering from this disorder after five hours deliberation deliberation the jury found fifty four year old Connell Watkins and her assistant forty year old Julie Ponder guilty of reckless. Klis child abuse resulting in death. Each were sentenced to sixteen years in prison. Watkins was also convicted for unlawfully practicing psychotherapy candice's Biological Grandmother. Mary Davis cried out in the courtroom. After the verdict was read Deputy District Attorney Steve Johnson said after after the verdict I hope the sends a clear message that children should not be treated that way in the name of psychology or psychotherapy therapy the two women sobbed as they were led away in handcuffs candice's grandmother and mother told reporters that she had no pity for the two women they cried for themselves she said but not for Canvas Jack mcdaniel and Saint Clair the therapeutic foster parents pleaded needed guilty to criminally negligent child abuse they were given just ten years probation and one thousand hours of community service each in a plea deal g newmaker also made a plea bargain. She pleaded guilty to neglect and abuse charges. She was given a four-year suspended sentence after which the charges were expunged from her record the nursing board in North Carolina permitted her to keep her registered nursing license since the rebirthing tapes of candidates new maker have since been sealed by the judge in the case for for privacy reasons as a result of her death governor. Bill Owens passed a law which outlawed rebirthing as a treatment in Colorado. They named it candice's long. This has been murder minute for true crime any time download the murder minute APP or follow Louis on Instagram at murder men.
Bumper to Bumper Wednesday, June 3: Ellison Presser, Joe Friedberg, Bob Bennett, Bill Morice, Pat Kessler
"Dan. Many of you! Too, many. View than. You know. Your breaking news leader the Fan Fan Radio Network and of course. K. F. A. Dot COM one minute twenty seconds past. The Hour, three o'clock central daylight saving time bumper-to-bumper show. He's on the air. It's live. It's local and it is a three and a half hour tour on a fairly sunny Wednesday afternoon. The twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barreiro host the program Garnsey is the producer, and we thank each and every one of you for your interest in today's broadcast, which is slated to start. With a press conference. Many of you I know are aware that. We've got some added charges. Up! I guess you could say changed charges. Regarding the one officer would already been charged other three will be charged an attorney general Keith Ellison now who's become front and center taking over this case will be conducting a presser in which he will lay out presumably what those charges are, and potentially taking questions as well so we. It was scheduled to start at three. These things don't always start right on time guards. He'll let me know, and then we will indeed go to it. Bradshaw bronze in box is open booth. Dot Com Joe Friedberg will join us at about four to react to the changes. Which we already know child is we're going from third degree murder to second degree correct, and there are still some permutations. There'll be interesting. We're ready to go. This is Attorney General Keith. Elliot's walking up to the podium. First of all, thank you ladies and Gentlemen, the press on my myself and my friend. Mike Freeman want to share some information with you. I want to begin with a reminder. And that is. We're here today because. George. Floyd is not here. He should be here. You should be alive, but he's not. About nine days ago, the world watched floyd. Other is very last. Words I can't breathe as he pled for his life. The world heard Floyd call out for his mama cried out. Don't kill me. Just two days ago when I became the lead prosecutor in the murder of Mr Floyd I, asked for time to thoroughly review all the evidence in the case. And we look at the evidence is available in the investigation is ongoing at this time. I also said that I know it's asking a lot of people give us time tickly people who have suffered for decades and centuries of injustice to be patient. And yet we did get that time. Together a very strong experienced team which included. County, Attorney Mike Freeman is team and my team. We review the evidence together with the CA. And we have something to announce today. Before I announced that I want to say thank you for the patience of the people who ate showing me and our entire team in pursuit of justice. And I'm here to make these announcements right now. I today. Filed an amended complaint. CHARGES THE CHARGES FORMER MINNEAPOLIS! Police officer! Derek Chavan with murder in the second degree. Or the death of George Floyd, I believe the evidence available to us now supports stronger charge of second degree murder. We've consulted with each other and we agree. Second. Today arrest warrants were issued or former Minneapolis police officers. Jay. King Thomas Lane. And to town. Finally I'd like to announce the today. And if he county attorney, Michael Freeman and I. Filed a complaint charges a police officer, King Lane and towel with aiding and abetting murder in the second degree felony offense. I strongly believe that these developments are in the interests of justice for Mr Floyd is family, our community and our state? I'm the lead prosecutor in this case I'll be speaking on me and dressing the public. And this is, but this is absolutely a team effort. We're working together on this case with only one goal justice for George, Floyd. I WANNA thank first. Mr Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman who has been a true partner in this matter at every step of the way. Is experienced an insight have been invaluable and will continue to be counted on by the team. I also want to thank county attorney Freemen's professional staff who have cooperated and worked together with my staff. And the investigating officers every from the very minute, this case started. I also want to thank Superintendent Evident Evans of the Bureau of Criminal. Apprehension, And his professional staff for the care and speed with which they are conducting this investigation. And I want to thank especially. US Attorney Erica McDonald and special agent in charge Rainer Drill Scoggins who are conducting parallel federal color of law investigation. I have heard directly from the leadership of the Department of Justice that there is full support for her leadership in pursuit of her investigation. And as she put it so well, one team one goal, one mission I agree one hundred percent. As I said earlier. I think Floyd's Family I. Think and I can speak for Mr. Mr Freeman and I jointly. Thank them along with A. US Attorney McDonald's. We think the community or their patients and allowing us the time and space. We need over these days to ladies charges. As it is so hard to do I now, ask for continued patients. This case continues to be under investigation. We will not be able to say very much publicly about the investigation. Except that we encourage anyone who believes that they have evidence in this case to come forward and to be cooperative with the investigation. As we develop the case for prosecution, which will which will also not be, we will not be able to say very much publicly about it, because our job is to seek justice and to obtain a conviction not to make statements in the press, but to put do are talking in court. So I. Ask for your patience again while we limit our public comments in pursuit of justice, I also ask for your trust that we are pursuing justice by legal and ethical means available to us. I also want at a word of caution. The investigation is ongoing. Are Following the path of all of the evidence wherever it leads. We are investigating as quickly as we can. Because speed is important. We're also investigating as thoroughly as we can. Because the incomplete and thorough is critically important, but it takes time. The reason thoroughness is important is because Singapore link in the prosecutorial chain must be strong. It needs to be strong because trying this case will not be an easy thing. Winning a conviction will be hard. In fact Johnny Attorney. Freeman is the only prosecutor in the state of Minnesota. Who has successfully convicted a police officer for murder. And he can tell you that it's hard. I say! I say this, not because we doubt our resources or our ability. In fact, we're confident in what we're doing. But history does show that there are clear challenge is here and we are going to be working very hard relying on each other and. Investigative partners in the community. This support that endeavor. To the Floyd family to our beloved community and to everyone is watching I say. George, Floyd mattered. He was loved. His family was important. His life had value. And we will seek justice for him, and for you and we will find it. The very fact that we have filed. These charges means that we believe in them. But what I do not believe is that one successful prosecution can rectify the hurt and loss so many people feel. The solution to that pain. Will be slow and difficult work of constructing justice and fairness in our society. That work is the work of all of us. We don't need to wait for the resolution an investigation. Of this case to start that work. We need citizens, neighbors leaders in government, and in faith, communities, civil and human rights activists to begin rewriting the rules for a just society now. We need new policy and legislation and ways of thinking at the municipal state and federal levels. The World of Arts and entertainment can use their cultural influence to inspire change that we need. There is a role for all who dream of justice that we haven't yet experienced. In the final analysis. A. Protest can make a tree and can make the fruit ball fall down. But after that fruit is in reach, collecting it, and making the jam must follow. The demonstrations and the protests are dramatic unnecessary. But building just institutions is more of a slow grind, but equally important. And we have to begin that work as well. We need your energy and we need everyone's help right now. Thank you very much. We'll take questions. Yes, Ma'am! Ever. A NAP. We believe. Charge. Charges fit the facts in this case when we we have done so. And so. Our concern is to. The all the energy, we can into putting forth strongest case that we can without fear or favor of anyone or anything. There's these charges are based on the facts that we have found and we're going to pursue them. We. Heard. Were? The hippie county attorney did excellent job by gathering facts and has worked. Cooperative will be with us at every single step of the way. We. been consulted with each other on these charges. We believe that these are the right charges Mike Freeman and is will be. We've signed a complaint or these additional charges, and so that's that's what we're doing so. The whole nation in the world has been waiting someplace announcement from your office. Can you describe the process involved in your deliberation? And what impact you think today's decision might have just Minneapolis. For those across the country watching you right now. Unfortunately I can't delve into our deliberative process, but what I will tell you, generally as we gather all the facts that we could, we reviewed the criminal statutes. We looked case law. We consulted with each other. And we arrived at these charges. We believe that they're justified by the facts and the law. Three. What does this impact on them this decision? Is always good and right. And we want to signal to them that We hope that they continue to raise the cause of justice, but do it in a peaceful manner. It is their right to express themselves. and. With that I will say that they should continue in their own communities. To get together to build. Just please community relationships. We need the faith community to be involved. We need arts and entertainment to help inspire US toward justice. We need everybody. There's a lot more to do than just this case and we asked people to do that. Your! Own Thank you for asking that question, because part of my comments were to help. Set expectations in a realistic light. The you know in order to be thorough. This is going to take months. And I don't know how many. But it is better to make sure that we have a solid case. Fully investigated. researched. Before we go to trial. Then to Russia. We. Don't wear in, so it'll take a while and I. I can't set a deadline on that way in the back. Good had asked first degree murder charges as well as their. You decided to charge second degree unintentional murder. While committing felony. Can you explain with that? Charge me on a pension murder versus second degree intentional. According to Minnesota, love you have to have premeditation and deliberation to charge first degree murder. Second degree murder you have to intend. For Death to be the result. For second-degree Felony Murder You have to intend the felony. and. Then deputy the result without necessarily having. It'd be the intent. So, that is the that's the state of the law. The felony would be the well he was. We would contend it. George flight was assaulted. And that, and so that would be the underlying felony. Accepting three deals. In this word, you expect all four to go to trial. And secondly when will the body camera? Footage be released. I really don't have any any idea of what. The negotiations or anything like that that simply way too early to begin that conversation. At this point. We are preparing to try this case. If something else happens along the way, we'll see but at this point we don't any we don't. We don't have any plans in that direction. Footage. You know. And I will I. Don't have anything to report right now. I, this time we're focused on investigating the case on so I think at this time I'll. I will consult with the and other partners on the case. We'll come to a conclusion about that again. We believe in transparency, but we also believe in a thorough investigation most importantly. The three officers been taken into custody. I'll allow mister. Jill Evans to address that issue. Good afternoon. My name is drew Evans in the Superintendent of Minnesota. Bureau coming Lapper -hension we are in the process of Taking the officers into custody can report that one is in custody now and the other two. We are in the process of taking custody and expect them to be separated. Cared about. Year. A, will as the attorney general said, we can't speak about all the details of the case other than what's really in the complaint. At this time I will tell you with any investigation as I've told you all from the very beginning, we have teams of investigators from the BBC. Joined the investigating this with the FBI trying to obtain all information. In this case, I will tell you that as a regular course of all of our investigations to attempt interviews with all the officers we have in interviewed on numerous individuals in this case, additional information be provided us before coming. Out like. COW's. This time I believe we have the team to complete this work. I'd like to just introduce David Boyd as well. He is a deputy at the Attorney General's office. He heads the criminal division and he. He has the lawyers to get this done, and also we have some experience. Lawyer hit county attorney's office. We're working on this thing together. New. Caress. Can say that. I did not allow. Public pressure to impact our decision making process. I was prepared. It was stand whatever calls came. We made the jar we made. These decisions based on the facts that we have gathered. Since this matter occurred. And made the charges based on? The! Law that we think is applies so that that's that's that's my answer. You're. Doing fine, it's great. I spent a lot of time hippie county when I was a trailer and myself and I know a lot of the I know all these all the lawyers. They're respect. Them all admire mall and we're we're going on by. Can I introduce you. Could? Angela fever he's represents A. Turning office its first deputy at for my freedom. Now that I'm going to let the people who prosecute cases every single day to prosecute this case now it is true that I've tried a lot of cases, and I've tried homicide cases, but on the other side of the courtroom. The. People who know how to prosecute, I'm going to let them do that work. I think it helps me anticipate what some of the some of the attacks on our case maybe. I see no reason why. We can't get a fair trial here. The charges averages while my man is correct. Now. Potential same maximum. Yes. Well. Apologize if you've addressed this before, but does your involvement in this case now put you on the sidelines in terms of the legislative process and working for police reform. Legislation. No. I'll continue to do all the duties that I have which involve legislative which involve a lot. We've been very active in the civil space We've been active in representing state agencies and government will be. I'll continue to supervise. But I feel I feel very confident in it because. I have excellent professionals who are going to be focused on this like a laser beam every single day. Room. Earth. Moaning. I feel a tremendous sense of weight. I feel that this. This is a very serious moment. I can honestly tell you i. take no joy in this, but i. do feel a tremendous sense of duty. And Responsibility. Curry. I don't know the answer to that question maybe. I just I answer that. In terms of that is left up to various that we work with on this. Make I as commissioner. Schnell noted the other day. security decisions in the best place for everybody in light of everything. That's going on right on the twin cities. Again? Those are decisions based on the analysis of the sheriff, and they work closely with the Department of Corrections to make sure that they have everybody in their custody Should be based on safety assessments. Committee? Thank you very much. That is the voice wrapping up the oppressor of attorney general. Keith Ellison making it official, elevating the charges against former Minneapolis police officer a Derek Calvin throw to second degree murder in addition, the other three officers on the scene now officially charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder as well, and there is a lot of detail that we not have access to because the the actual charging. Papers of the legal briefs so to speak have been released, and so have a chance to dig a little bit deeper when we come back, also Joe Friedberg will be with us at the top of the four o'clock hour to react to decisions that he endorsed a long time ago that you should be a second degree case, and that he thought largely without it being a second degree case, there's going to be difficult to charge the other officers to any form of aiding and abetting. Abetting, so we'll get some of the details on that another interesting thing. I thought that Attorney General Elson confirmed is that he's in charge of the case, but it sounded as if he was saying he is not going to be the lead attorney in the courtroom right once that that the the case actually begins which he pointed out what we had said when we talked to Joe, he done a bunch of cases obviously and lead a bunch of cases, but as a defense attorney. And I asked you that wall this. How different is it to be a prosecuting attorney in any case? That was I thought one of the interesting nuggets as well so let's get caught up and we'll lay out the rest of the show because we have a number of other very good guests as well. It's going to be a fairly New Jersey program today I guess we also have the governor. Speaking officially is at four thirty. It was originally okay, that now is at. At five o'clock okay, and I think that in part is because Barack. Obama and others are doing some stream, okay on the Obama Foundation website at four central arsenic. They might have let that breathe a little bit, but the governor's going to speak at five. All right lot of fast-moving stuff will comeback tried to get caught up on newsy here in the twin cities. Can say. Nothing in do? Banned. Male clinic big, knocker mazes returned to the show. That of course is Dr Bill Maurice. From the Mayo Clinic at four fifty five this afternoon. We we have we've put. The good doctor off so many times because of breaking news, and it's another really newsy day, but at some point I think. That both felt. This the covid nineteen things should not be utterly and completely neglected and we've. It quite frankly the last week, or so maybe for good reason, but it's still there and we want to get caught up, so we're gonNA stick with that. At four fifty five. Pat, Kessler will join at five thirty tonight and Joe. Friedberg, as I mentioned, we'll talk to us about a half hour from now on the official charges. Offered up in a presser, just concluded a few minutes ago by Attorney General Keith Ellison I'm looking. At the. Actual charges themselves the document and on children the. Count. One is second degree murder Unintentional while committing a felony now joe. Friedrich is going to tell us there was another way to go there. That he actually thought they were going to. Give the jury potentially a choice. They did. So the charge here in this case, the second-degree Murder Unintentional while committing a felony count to remain third degree murder, perpetuating or should say perpetrating imminently dangerous act and evincing depraved mind count three second degree, manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating unreasonable risk. In the case of the other three officers, who up until now of course, not been charged with anything they get, they get charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder in all three cases and I don't have I had their charges up the official document again a minute ago. I have I can't find it right now. But again in all three cases I think. The the allegation is. In that regard as well although. Ellison said the attorney general said look. They all could end up. With the same sentence ultimately now we'll talk to Joe about that. They're also can be judge's discretion about creating you know distinctions, legal distinctions between child, and the others depending obviously, and how the case also plays out for the other officers, aiding and abetting second degree Murder Unintentional while committing a felony, which would be the assault is what else mentioned Israel? The felony in this case is the. The assault of George Floyd, which is when he's down on the ground like that, and the second charges, aiding and abetting second degree murder, second degree, manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating unreasonable risk out it is, it will be interesting to see what the reaction is to these charges because there were some fact in including, I believe some representing the family that was demanding a first degree murder. Charge here. And that is not part. Of what these charges are at this point and we'll some be bothered about the unintentional. Part of on the second degree in the case, the second degree murder, even though it's been upgraded a second degree, Joe is going to help us navigate all of that. What the distinctions are there? What the strategy might have been there? Although again I think he favored. You throw a couple of them you got to. You got two choices for second degree. I think he believes they should thrown both of them out there and to a certain extent. Then you allow the jury to to make a decision as well so. That will all be part of our our conversation with him on in addition today. Benjamin crump. One of the attorneys representing. George family released a statement. Shortly, after one fifteen, praising the arrest, and charging the other three officers, and the upgrading of murder charges against a Kelvin. The statement came before Ellison's office made any official. announcements and I believe was there also oppressor at the scene? Wasn't the one of the attorneys in the family. Believes so seen today earlier as well. And and made some comments then as well so that's Sh-. Basically basically where we're at here at this particular juncture. It was interesting. From Ellison was. This, ain't gonNA. Take two minutes. This ain't gonNA take two weeks. He said months at least he didn't say how many months, but he said months. and. Particularly you could say. Let's say any case, but particularly in a case like this with their stuff, such strong feelings and such strong emotions. There's that desire and that we want it done. We want justice now and his statement, I think. Was An effort to sort of. Guide that frustration and say. We're going to do the best. We can do to pursue this case and to get convictions, which is obviously the objective than it ain't gonNA. It's GonNa take probably more than a couple of weeks to get it done correct. Yes, and he's feeling the weight of I, mean this. It's huge right I. Mean it's it's this is I. Mean I know? I'm speaking the obvious, but as we've got charges with all four officers. In a sense, this was the easy part right I mean. The easy part theoretically was all right. Let's get him arrested. Even though it's taken some time, let's get him arrested. Let's get him some. Let's get some charges going here and let's move. This thing forward now comes the tough part in as it's been pointed out these cases the matter how slam dunk they seem. Have there's been it's been difficult. In this case, this is a major major move to that I was talking to somebody today about that very issue who has some familiarity with the law and said that that they these cases we may in our minds think they should be slam dunks, but they are not always what they appear to be the way they play out the way the law is written, et Cetera, et Cetera, and that's going to be one of the interesting things to follow and indeed to pursue. Because we went long to give you almost the entire pressure I think I think. Ellison came back after we went out. Because he, he said it's over and then I think it's more. Question was thrown. Way which we missed which I don't think it was anything. All that significant there was a message to the family. Basically was what he said of the family, the family of the the statement that was released today they there was not any statements. Suggesting frustration that this isn't a first degree. Case is not a for has not been charged as a first degree case which I think we had heard previously as well for the. The record. Let's break we'll get caught up and as I, said a neither one of us would be classified as great legal minds we try to read. We try to pay attention but JOE FRIEDBERG IS GONNA help translate all of this into English for us as well on a busy show Kessler I'm sure on the same story one way or another. HE'LL BE F. Is the name of the program will be with you. Til Six thirty this very evening, Joe Friedberg. At the top of the hour to react to the breaking news of the day, other three police officers all now charged I believe as the presser. One of them was believed to be already in custody the other two. They expected to be in custody very quickly. Dr Phil Maurice will join us at four fifty five today. That Kessler at five thirty were actually working on a couple of other. Possibilities as as well. It is worth noting for the record. That the governor you mentioned. His Presser has been moved. Think now to five o'clock is the latest I've seen five PM. Today. He's going to speak. That's been moved a couple of times, and or at least once he also has already extended the nightly curfews in both Minneapolis. and Saint Paul so it'll be ten o'clock tonight to four am, and it'll be the same Thursday into Friday ten pm Thursday to four A. Am. Friday. Have no idea what is in mind for the weekends guards now last night i. WAS NOT Close to a lot of the coverage again. So but based on what I've read. It was a relatively once again. Quiet night. Correct? Yes, certainly seemed like our peaceful night. Than what we had been accustomed to from the first week. Of this deal, so in any case. The curfew though which I think has largely been effective because it last night, it was ten PM as well. Yes, so, where do you recall? Did you read anything? Were there any sweeps? Even, necessary. At ten, o'clock, honestly because I didn't anticipate much I didn't even. Didn't even follow up, but everybody was you know we're? We're used to late night news coverage late night with Leiden on Fox nine and everybody was basically off the air at ten thirty five, and that was it so I didn't even think to look today to see if there was anything necessarily Kessler as I mentioned, but I'll mention it again will be with US tonight at five thirty I'm sure he's going to be all over this story as well. There is I think I alluded to this yesterday. It got pretty heated. Between the governor of New York and the mayor I shouldn't say both ways says. I don't know that the the mayor fired back. The governor basically said. You guys blow at the Mayor Fluid City of New York Blewett. They gotTa have you know a greater law enforcement presence you got to. Basically you know batten down the hatches, a little bit and I thought he'd even threatened, and he said I might just might take over the whole thing which sounds familiar. We have heard through that. Yep, I wonder. If, it's possible that. If the mayor of New York got a couple of tough questions like mayor. Do you feel like the city should have any confidence that constituents should have any confidence in your ability to handle the situation. If it was a joint presser with Cuomo, he would feel obligated a walk over to de Blasio and say I'm sorry you got that question. Yeah, I really feel bad about you getting that that question batum on the head. Pat Him on the head of the lunch and they cut his food for urban bikes. Hand it over to that would be the Somebody actually told me yesterday the day before that I misunderstanding that that that was. The the veteran really trying to. Offer up a teachable moment to the to the kid man. It's interesting way to look. That's an interesting I. WanNa be I wouldn't want that kind of protectiveness on my side. I I wouldn't want to be a patted on the head. The way I felt like the governor did and I. Know That's not a very one Minnesota thing to say. And for that I most assuredly apologized, but in any case like I said. We're working on a couple of other guests. It's to be well. It'd be a two track show today, and we may try to get a couple of sports headlines in just as they relate to. What seems to be I hate to say it because I. Think I've used this expression before gathering momentum. For at least one, if not two sports to move forward here, NBA, starting with the NBA I think there's there's GonNa. Be a conference call vote. Tomorrow IOS owners about accepting. Officially what a lot of people think is is the deal which would be. An eight game regular season resumption, correct correct, and then a I don't have the number in front of me, but we'll get it. The number of teams in the playoffs twenty, two, twenty two. That's right, and there'd be kinda playing situation involving eight and nine correct. Yes, according to sources according to Walsh Thirteen Western Conference teams and nine Eastern Conference play eight regular season Games, and then the top sixteen teams in the East and West. We'll be joined by those bottom five teams, top sixteen teams east, and West joined by teems currently within six games of eighth place in the two conferences for the record. That doesn't include us. That's New Orleans. San Antonio Davey Sacramento, Phoenix, and Washington and this is. Orlando Right, this is Disneyworld. Yes, this is the whole Disney complex. That's where this is all GonNa. Take place Louis told us yesterday he just wished. Hockey would forget it, but he doesn't think they will and I. Think there's more reasonably that hockey is going to try to put something together meanwhile your Guy Dave Saint Peter trying to put the best face forward on the whole deal. You saw his quotes. He told Lavelle I think yesterday that he thinks. Tell you what. I think we're closer than you think I think the reality of it is that the situation a little closer to resolution? Most people believe I truly believe that. Does he truly believe it or does he want to believe it? Because officially as I understand it. There's been talk about this fifty game deal. Because the the the owners officially rejected the players idea, which was to increase to one hundred eight games, whatever it was fourteen I think yeah, whatever it was, it was well over one hundred. They said no to that. There's been this implicit threat that. We'll give you fifty games. You got a third of your your salary, but I don't believe they've officially actually countered with that as an offer so i. don't know where that me where that stands, but it still looks like they've got some work indeed to do so we'll mix a little bit of that in, but it's mainly going to be a breaking news day on the bumper to bumper program in fact Joe Friedberg with his reaction to the. Upgrading of charges in the case of a child and the issuing of charges finally in the case of the other three officers. He's good at reading. The tea leaves about which chart which guess charges. They ended up filing here. In terms of what their strategy might be in. Does he agree with the route? Ultimately they want. He wanted second degree, but did he want be specific second-degree chargers. We'll find out from our legal eagle are legal big knocker. Joe freeloaded now. Joel three for now. We've added for four thirty this afternoon. An individual I think he knows pretty well. A civil rights attorney Bob Bennett Will join at the bottom of the four o'clock hour of the show Joe the White Clinic Lazic and cataract hotline, and as we welcome you back to the program I WANNA start for those individuals, maybe who have not. been paying attention this afternoon. WanNa read the amended charges against a Derek Calvin, and that give you an opportunity then to translate those into English for those of us not quite as bright as you are. Count One second degree murder Unintentional, while committing a felony counts to. Third degree murder, perpetrating imminently dangerous acne Vinson, depraved mind, count three second degree, manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating unreasonable risk so translate. All those into a language, we can all understand in terms of what. The most important takeaway is to the changes that were announced or the big change I guess you could say that was announced today. All right this subsection of second degree murder, which is referred to as felony murder is the easiest of all of the degrees of homicide to be involved here to prove. What they have to prove is that officer Chavan was salting This individual in our definition of assault is pretty wide sweeping, so there isn't much question that if you're pushing me down on somebody's neck, you are assaulting him. If, in fact, the jury finds that he was committing assault, and that the Mr Floyd died by virtue of the assault. It doesn't matter whether there is intent was to kill him or not guilty of that crime. That crime carries a statutory maximum of forty years. Those are we don't really use those statutory maximums anymore. the we use guidelines sentencing guidelines sentence for conviction of that degree of second degree murder. Is One hundred and fifty five months there about there's a little tolerance in there. but this in this case the state will also file what are called blakely notices. which will allow jury to say know? There was some extra cruelty in this one and that if they find that to be true, the judge can then do anything that he or she wants to do up to forty years. Third degree murder, which again just doesn't fit and I think I think our attorney general left that in, so that didn't make the county attorney look silly. But it doesn't fit it all, but it's got the same sentence. one hundred and fifty five months under the guidelines that second degree murder does except the maximum. There is twenty five years. The second degree manslaughter is that if what man did? We're talking about children. is negligent and recklessly so then he's guilty of second degree manslaughter, but a jury has to consider from the top down their first consideration will be guilty or not guilty of second degree murder, and then nothing else matters. Now you have told us though there. There was another option to choose regarding if to not grading into a second degree murder charge corrected. They did not choose. Yes, they could have charged subsection a or one I forget. Which designation they use, which is intentional, but not premeditated murder. And they may well charge that eventually but that's a little harder to prove because you gotTA. You got an intent quotient thin it and so the easiest one to prove and the one that fits the easiest here without really enquiring into the state of mind very much of Charleston. Yeah is what they charged with. That's the easiest one the most parent one that you could chart now. Could they and you say this could change? But could they already have charged him with both examples of second degree murder that you laid out, and and why? Why wouldn't they from the beginning? I don't know the answer to that question but yes they they rather easily could have charged them of intentional, but not premeditation degree murder. They could do that They still could do that as more evidence develops. in fact. They could maybe show I if they charge that they might be able to show the. Prior actions of Jovan so. They charge the easy one, and that's what they should have done right off the bat. and. The was an infant, I. It was interesting to us to hear. I both thought we heard attorney Gerald Ellison say that he will not be the lead attorney in the courtroom itself that although this is his case, he won't do that and he made a comment because you and I talked about this I think last last time we had gone that, he said look You know I've done a lot of cases, but I was on the other side that I was defense guy, and he's clearly chosen in this case to say I'm going to defer in that regard at least to the individuals who have great experience. You know leading these kinds of cases. Does that surprise you? Know that doesn't surprise me at all I mean. Keith could be If could be criticized. said. So you appointed yourself, but totally inexperienced pros. Prosecute the biggest case in the history of the state of Minnesota Yeah, he could be criticized for that all right. I think he's quite capable of doing it. anybody, but he hasn't. He hasn't been in a courtroom in years and years and I. You know that's not the right thing to do to go ahead and say on. I'm going to do this. The. Actual Act of of of of you know there's one thing is to investigate a case to prepare a case. To do all the due diligence that in your experience goes into best preparing your case but. There is a performance art. Is they're not? To what you do once an actual case actually begins in. You're in front of a jury. People don't like to think of it that way, but it clearly has performance to it to ensure the. Can you speak a little bit too that not necessarily how it might apply to this case, although maybe in this case, but that those are two different deals here that preparing is one thing actually you know offering up the case performing to a certain degree much as we don't like it something something a little different. Yeah and I I think that the the first of all. Yes, there's an art to trying lawsuits. There's an art to connecting with jurors. and it's an art that gets developed over a period of time. Some people can never do it. Some people come to it rather easily. the reason I think. I became a good courtroom lawyer. Early is not because I did well in law. School is because I've been a door to door salesman for a number of years. Of But yeah, and you do need an experienced trial lawyer leading the way. you need in this case? You need to tone down the rhetoric as a trial lawyer. You have to constantly say to the jury. We're not here to make a statement. We here to make an. Academic decision as to whether or not the state proves beyond a reasonable doubt. That this man did all the elements of second degree murder, and I I what did he charge the accessories? I, that's where we're going to get to next count one. Charges aiding and abetting second degree Murder Unintentional while committing a felony. This is for all three officers count to. Aiding and abetting second degree, manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating unreasonable risk and count number. That's it those are the two counts I think for each of the the other three officers involved in this case. You remember the other day i. told you that you can't have an accessory to third degree murder, so a a keith rep recognize that as any reasonable reasonably educated lawyer would. You can have an accessory to second degree murder. Real real serious question as to whether you can have an accessory to second degree manslaughter. My guess is that he left that in. So that a deal can be cut with one or two or all of those Other officers! Because you played to second degree manslaughter. And and being an accessory, the second degree manslaughter means that you intentionally eight as a intention, you intentionally ages and Unintentional Act and that's not even close to be unbiased, but leave it in there. And that means you can kind of deal in return for their cooperation Because the judge would accept the plea, even though it's legally not channel, is it? Is there any way you can see to a plea? Bargain on the Chalvin part of the store? yes, I would expect. You would expect that. If CIA Evan let's look down the road, a little bit of Charleston and gets convicted of the second degree murder. Murder. The guidelines one hundred and fifty five months. If the jury finds one of what's called, the blakely factors in this case, let's say excessive cruelty that then allows the trial judge to go way beyond the guidelines could go up as high maybe as forty years as opposed to twelve and a half. If if there's an understanding of that being true you might enter into a plea agreement. With Charleston and for a limited sentence as opposed forty years, say thirty years or twenty five years, so yeah, there's an issue there that that can be considered. Joe Friedberg is our guest on the fan. Do you still adhere to the belief? That this is if not a slam dunk case you think an extremely winnable case, and maybe even more so now that it's at the level that you thought it needed to be from the beginning, or do you think as this plays out? It could end up being more challenging then then you had fought early. You know I'm a little confused by the autopsy evidence because I tend. To credit the Hannah Been County Medical Examiner's office autopsy report more than I do Dr. Baden's because they were privy to some information Dr Barton was not we also don't have the toxicology back yet. So I gotta feeling that we're GONNA. Be arguing some cause of death issues. I don't think it's a great argument to make as I. Understand the lawyer for Chavez, a young man named Eric Nelson. Not the, most experienced guy in the world, certainly not as experiences com Kelly was who had to withdraw. Hen. I don't you know I just don't see the defense winning this case. But you know you don't know until you get into it. You know the the issues of the conduct. That's not that visit bowl of floyd. Maybe he can make some kind of ish of issue out of that, but I can tell you this. He sure ain't the over dog is. Is there any reason of? Keith Ellison was asked this question today. The attorney general about when the Bodycam stuff is going to be released. I don't think he said look. They're still discussing it. Is there any reason to believe that that? Is Going to essentially change what appears to be fairly in many ways. FAIRLY SLAM DUNK or You know how how crucial is that to get a better understanding, or do you think we've already seen enough? with our own eyes in that regard and the body Cam. Well is a statement of general principle. Public always wants to see the body can cause that, but you gotta remember what the by you can also do. Does it gives the jury a view from the officers standpoint of what was going on? There may be something there. That augurs in favor of Java and but I all Pan Dome. No, what would be right, but it could be there. Who knows the timeframe here Attorney General Elson said we're talking months. He didn't say how many you've been around this this this game a long time show. Give us a raw a rough time line about a we. We talking. This is going to go on for a year. This is going to be a six month kind of a deal. What do you expect? How's this GonNa? Play this Dan. How in the world he's going to get a trial and the county Minnesota. He says no problem. Ellison said today sees no problem getting a fair trial here that never been a prosecutor. You didn't say that that's true, thank. You know it's not going to be moved. Well I don't know that remember this the United States Supreme Court. Once ruled, and what was that guy's name in Cleveland in Nineteen Shepherd to? All right the. United States Supreme Court has has ruled that it can go too far. It can go to the point where you can't get a fair trial. And how are you going to get a jury? That does not have a twelve or actually probably twenty people. You're gonNA, need a bunch of ultimate how you GonNa Find Yours that don't have an opinion on this a headed by. By, where are you going to bet that's true? In this case, I think literally nationwide. You'd have to like do it on the moon or something. I know I've got a place. You could send. Yeah, sure you do can. You can send it up. You can send it to the county seat of Kitchen County. MINNESOTA ALEC Minnesota where they get their news from Winnipeg. Rather Than Minneapolis and you also get at the moorhead where they're under the Fargo News Hey. You know influence but I. I'm telling you. What this is GonNa be a problem even though? Minnesota trial. Judges hate moving case. They just hate it. They weren't any place I've ever seen Wisconsin. It's much easier to move. Okay, what dictates dictates how easy it is to move a case I. mean what what goes from state to state. You gotTA UNDERSTAND THAT IN MINNESOTA. The trial judge has to move with the case. The we asked to leave his home. He has to leave his friends. He has to leave soft cushions in his chambers and Wisconsin when you move the venue that means you bring a jury panel into the county where it happened from another venue. And therefore trial judges. Wisconsin Allow changes venue more frequently. We'll leave it. There I think you've covered it all pretty much, you you said though all along. It has to be a second degree case, and now it is, that's the headline today right, and and the the the the the charges involved the other three. It doesn't appear. This is kind of what you expect it they do not. They did not surprise you either. I think in deference to Freeman not to make him look as bad as he really does. Look, they left that third degree murder sticking there, but that third degree murder. A it's not belong narrow. It's just completely out of. I still don't understand it, but. Not, only that Dan Gosh. It's nice to be right occasionally. You know it is amazing. The 'cause you also mentioned last time we had you on which was that yesterday the day before I can't keep track of my days. That you believe that the the the the strong seismic move to make, and you thought the right move to make was to put ellison in charge of this case, and indeed the next day was Sunday when the governor made that official I wanna say and like amid day. Presser might have been late morning. Presser show. You've been right several times and in fairness to the Times. You've gotten it wrong. Yeah, it's it's only it's only fair that we. We acknowledge how right you were by the way the Cleveland. Case is at the Sam Sheppard case. Yes, okay goes back a ways. I can actually remember that when that's. How old I am I'm not as old as you, but I'm pretty dabble. I arrived in in Cleveland Right after the Sam Sheppard case to spend my first year in college there and so I was immersed in that. Publicity and ultimately you was F. Lee Bailey. IS CASE UP ON APPEAL? Got It reverse because of the publicity, which wasn't nearly as much as it is here. No, that's that's an outstanding point. A great analysis as always we appreciate it. We will be in touch. Thanks, Joe. Okay, bye-bye. That is Joe Friedberg reacting to the breaking news today, other three officers, all charged and Let's second degree aiding and abetting and the upgrade of the charge for Alvin as well which he has been, he's believed from the beginning was the correct way to go and his binder third degree in there just to throw a ball into his I did a fan. Robert of upper is back on the fan. Don't forget at the bottom of the hour. We will chat with really next segment coming up here another attorney. By the name of Bob Bennett. and. He is a name. It might be familiar to folks around here local. Trial lawyer in the Abbey Taylor pool drain wrongful death case. And a number of other cases including the Dean reuss Chick Damon. Cased her murder in which he helped negotiate with his team, the twenty million dollar transformational settlement. Out as well and WE'RE GONNA. Get into. I think some opinions from him about the developments today. And, maybe even also get into. The. Subject of Some opinions he has regarded in the Minneapolis Police Department because there had that has become such a very very large part of the stories. He'll be with us at the at the bottom of the hour Dr Bill Maurice Mayo Clinic Big knocker at four fifty five Kessler will help us at five thirty. Reset the the news story of the day as well Did we miss sending? No. The governor's Presser is at five. Is that right? That's my latest information latest information and you mentioned that the the the former president Obama was going to do some kind of A. suppressor, a livestream, thing or a group chat or I don't know all the terms. Has he had that, or is he going to have that ongoing talks on right now? Don Right now, Bomb Dot Org okay well, then. Maybe we'll get a little bit out of that as well there any headlines out of that so far as anybody. You've been tweeting off of what he has had to say. I've been looking for that at all because we've had. We had W released a statement yesterday. Did we on a an extensive one by the way was more than a couple of sentences. And it was. Well Dare I say. As well, it's a difference at this point. It appeared somewhat presidential. Did it and what I it? appeared. Trying to it was presidental I'm. was extremely. Presidential might be being a little sarcastic here, but yeah, it seemed to be exactly that. I will say here's the great irony to me about president. Trump is that. We've had this hue and cry. This clamor for. Time like the. Times like these man. Indeed. The Leader of the free world. Chief Executive United. States of America. To offer some kind of miracle bomb. That will at least acknowledge. What the nation seems to be dealing with right now. An attempt to if not. Brings together to at least try to. Lessen the divide in some maybe small way. And then when he doesn't do it. or He doesn't talk at all it's. He's failed again. And I will have to say at this point to the people are demanding that or asking for that. I don't believe you. Because whatever he says. Isn't going to be enough. And the moment he says it. because. He's not very good at doing it and often doesn't really even WANNA. Do it get destroyed. So. This many years into this administration. Shouldn't we for me? I'm past the point where I go. Only you could. Just Offer up, the, soothing. Commentary. Lower, the temperature, every combination combination, maybe a world but I. In them so why? At this point, we no longer can. We can still meant it. But the idea that there's this clamor the people who are clamming. They don't really want it because they don't think he has any equity to give it anyway. So why do we still demanded? That's what I don't get. It's the old kind of want to have it both ways I'm not exactly. Sure that it does. Any good, but that's Did he speak today to the president on anything of Note? If he did or now. He's in a battle with this as his secretary of Defense, he's in in a battle with somebody. About the use of military of troops basically basically San. I. Only US troops in a really really really laughs. Case emergency scenario which this does not in the belief is here. That does apply. President doesn't usually like that now. Did he find a way to finance it or has? Has that has that you know speech in Song it back to well. No, it's fine. If we have to use them, we'll use them because the president doesn't usually like that, does he? Not Tipping predicted that one does not helpful for them. It sounds like it happens when it happens. It doesn't go well. People that do that. Ordinarily it does not go well doesn't know. Don't think is what yeah, that's what I. That's what I thought, but that was just me I if I'm not. Mistaken and I don't know if this was yesterday. or Today, not exactly sure which. I thought that's what I pretty much what I had indeed. Read, so forget anything new from the president that will calm the waters. A little bit will let you know, but I don't think that is But this way I don't think that is very likely defense secretary. Mark Asper I. Believe was the one who said. I. Don't want to have that I. don't we don't need to have the troops out there. Let's break, and we will get the opinion of other big shot attorney Robert Bennett. Call Him Bob. That good vibe with them yet, but we hope we have a good vibe with them today to maybe look at things from a slightly different direction as a civil lawyer has also been involved with number civil rights items, and might have some interesting things to say about the ongoing battle over the Minneapolis Police Department, and whether much of this is is beyond one or two cases, and has to do with the systemic issue as well which has been front center through the conversation with last several days, if not weeks, if not years Dr Maurice and four fifty five Kessler on the fan. Okay we'll chat the covid nineteen with male clinic. Big knocker Bill Maurice the top of the Hour Kessler to bring the news of the day back altogether to the five o'clock audience as well and to address some of that now we're pleased to be joined by local attorney Bob Bennett who has been involved in a number of cases, civil rights, cases and indeed of the Flato Casteel case the nor case. Of course he represented the family of Justin. reuss Chick Damon against the Minneapolis Police Department as well, and he is kind enough to join us now in the wedding clinic Lazic and cataract hotline Bob Thanks for joining us today we appreciate. Your office kind of reaching out today I'm glad we had this opportunity to chat Let me give you the toss up question about The changes in the chargers today on the criminal side as you know involving a job in particularly from third degree to second degree murder as well and then the other officers of course now facing second degree charges as well What do you make those developments? I think they were pretty much expected. We saw that happen with Mohamed Noor when he they added a second degree murder charge on on on him as well The If. You know something that is a civil rights lawyer. You just I'm a spectator about that at this point, right? So don't have any part in the decision making, and you have no control over whether it's a good idea a bad idea. But I it was certainly expected anticipated I thought and. If, especially given in light of the, they've the prior history with Mohamed Noor. What did you did you have an opinion as well on the the governor's decision that was announced Sunday that he was going to put this case directly in the hands of the Attorney General Keith, Ellison. Well I. I really understood it. from one perspective obviously freemen's office had successfully prosecuted, nor which is a rightfully southern the county attorney's. Office had they did a lot of good work on that case. but Perhaps it was time for another person at another time in another situation that made sense. I, don't I. Don't know that might dispute. It terribly from when I understand, but I I'm sure they'll be involved in helping out in the prosecution because of their experience in the northeast. I'll go ahead I'm sorry value. It's just too valuable to ignore the the you know. philosophically there've been a lot of people who've argued for a long time that there is always an inherent conflict of interest that many prosecutors are able to defeat, but that it's part of a perception problem that is getting more difficult by the year two sort of stare down or to ignore that that conflict when a county attorney is attempting to prosecute a COP, do you? Do you agree with that or not? Well. I certainly agree with it in cases that I've observed out state. I thought that Handmade County Attorney's office in the nor prosecution. Successfully avoided that in fact became adversarial to the police department. That's the they were. You know forty police officers refused to cooperate with the prosecuting authority, but in if you go outside of the twin cities to have a case where this is happening to say that very thing is happening in Carlton County and another one, where very things happening in I detail county so. that is a a rightful I mean it's right to think that that usually is the case. I thought that the head of Accounting Attorney's office in nor- situation. Avoided that. And and the police have been fighting with the Minneapolis police fighting with the prosecutors on on three or four tastes prosecutions where they haven't liked it. For the Minneapolis police have been prosecuted. Well, let's let's expand a little bit on that. Because you have some experience in this area, and you know full well that the department itself has been. Becoming a significant part of the issues that there's something structural there that there is an inability to properly disciplined those that need to be that. Well. There number of accusations at Bob Crawl has too much authority too much power at Satra in your own experience. We're trying to I. Mean I think what we're trying to do. Here is obviously examined this case. Understand it a significant as it is, but the larger issue is what is at play here what needs to be rectified. What is a a real way to to create better accountability while still allowing police to do a job I think most does believe. It's an evil. You could say it's a necessary evil, but it's necessary on most accounts wh, what's your own opinion and analysis in your own dealings about what this, despite effort by a lot of very progressive mayors and police chiefs to change things. What's your opinion about what is going on in this police department? That's a great question, the my answer. Comes from forty years of experience in dealing with them. and to see the same. Patterns the same mistakes that same conduct year after year decade after decade. Minneapolis has been historically problem police force. This was Since I started practicing law. they've never been able to discipline their officers. Those talked about it didn't do it. Locks didn't do it. They brought in Madison Reunion rant him on a town and and then you've got the first then you get Tim Dolan hard time. WHO's a friend of mine, but added hard time disciplining officers. Remember chiefs always start out his officers. It's not like West Point Annapolis where is a separate command and control structure in the military. You know the separate apart from the infantryman right but and then you know today. Hartill was frustrated by the Union and And and so is there down low to a great extent in my experience in in my opinion? the unions out of control has been out of control from long time as way too much power, and is run by someone who shouldn't be running a police. Why not you? Because of his makeup Is, is. You know I mean. When you glorify the violence of police policing when you glorify. Taking to the people making. And in view of as a to force you're you're missing the point? That's not the way the constitution you know. The police have their authority through us. We society give them the authority. It's not be acted upon brazenly, and and in in racist or or or nativist way so it just it's not the way it's supposed to be done. And he he controls the access to the how the police force acts not only with regard to the citizenry, but West regards to the county attorney prosecutorial. So I think it's way out of bounds and the. you know that's why Minneapolis is punched. Way above its weight in police misconduct or forty years that I've been practicing. So Rear introduce you attorney. Bob Bennett is with us on the fan on a number of different subjects. Let me it up this way, and then you can get in if you had a remaining point in your experience, the perception out there is that there is something different about this. Police Department. In that regard, and even let's say Saint Paul. Do you agree with that? Or is this a Dubai this as a larger issue? What? Are Other things specifically that you can point to culturally that make the Minneapolis Police Department in your view more worthy of worthier of criticism I guess. When I say! Let me, let me say three things one. If you took all the calls that I've gotten since nineteen eight to press. And at and and in them up. May Atlas would get you get about six or seven calls for everyone gift for Saint Call. Saint Paul enforces the laws, but they don't have this The chief is not frustrated in his efforts to run a inefficient. And Constitutionally Valid Organization that that that Minneapolis is not able to do. The chiefs aren't in control. And Union chiefs in control. And there's a defacto cheese that is named Cheech and he shouldn't be because he has scant regard. in my judgment and you're talking about Bob. Crow? I am talking about Bob. Troll why is he? He's clearly he keeps getting. Revolted and he's clearly very popular. With the police. So, what's what's the way out of the box here? Well. I tear it up and start over. Again I just I. Just need to figure it out the different way. And the the the and you know we're. We're the we're the. That police department is the is the poster child for bad policing, and it needs to get fixed and we as citizens deserve to have sex, and that's why people are in the streets. because. constitutional. Rights have been violated in many many respects. you know that's I think it just needs a complete review. And do it on do. And figuring out what's departments work and do it that way I mean she acts doesn't have the that Madeira Dondo has I mean it just it doesn't, and e can disciplined people, and and and he has a lot more steadily. Think in, and and consistently throughout his term and the state police chiefs before. Then way. By the way for the record I it The police force that was used over the course of the last weekend. As a things, the obviously the presence got escalated after some major problems in the middle of the week Do you have any experience with any opinions about about the use of force of between? Police Department in this case. I guess and also obviously. National Guard was used as hell an answer Larry Force. You know obviously One person's protest is another person's Ryan, but there seems to me a difference between. The three people the three years. We've taken calls from people getting very seriously hurt our people who are at the. Cleaning up the debris function they have a person badly blinded by their, but by direct fire from a weapon from very close range. a tear gas launcher. We have people who are at a protest, a friendly protests that got weird because some truck. I decided to drive show. And then you have actual protests and looting, which nobody has any tolerance for? But there there's a so. They're not all the same. There's they're sort of bystanders, protesters and rioters. And I certainly have no qualm with what they did to the people that are actually doing actually riding. of Can't have that in a civilized society either but protests. America's best was built on prostate protests. And you can't and you know you just can't. Use the to force including deadly force by aiming. Grenade, launchers bullets people's faces. This was a name low the events are you're talking about? were before curfew time in each case. Nowadays the we know about the truck that was a whole wholly different situation, but well that was before curfew right yes, and then and then. It turned out being kind of an incendiary event. Correct through none of the protesters and would point out. the, can you tell you? Can you tell us from interesting decisions that I that I'm I'm you know I'm not a policeman, no every. but You know having police. Having people demonstrated on the freeways. I get is a dangerous thing, but they've decided that it wasn't until it was, and it was because they became so because of the truck correct. so I don't there's there's some of that? That doesn't make sense to me. As a constitutional civil rights lawyer in terms of what the the what you're hearing about is behavior by the police wants. That truck was stopped. Is You're referring to? No I'm talking about when they decided to clear the roadway. And some of the use of the nation's in chemical ordinance at that time against protestors. Who'd been? Absolutely nonviolent and within their rights as far as far as an American citizens as far as I'm concerned Let's circle back if we can to. Your your suggestion, I think that they minneapolis police that we start over. That, we just basically just end it. Is there any precedent for that. How how is there? Are there legal ways in which the Governor mentioned? an investigation, a civil rights investigation that they are They announced I believe yesterday to study the department. I believe for the last decade. But are there in your to your knowledge? What would be a form with by which that could be accomplished? And how practical would it even be to do? Minneapolis is still pretty. Large, Shitty that we good I agree. Still needs policing even though we love to be in a world where policing wasn't necessary, what would be the the blueprint for that? Well I can't tell you that. I'm an expert in building. Police forces from scratch, but It's it seems to be better than having the force that they have. I mean obviously there's probably some. Officers that you keep. There's something in control that you might keep, but there are others you might not WanNa. Look at the collective bargaining agreement to see if that can be. Dealt with around. The city can't afford to have it I think it'd being sued by other cities I heard today to. There'd be claims by. Other cities. Against Minneapolis for what? We we put them through. so I think I. I don't know how you do it but I think you need. You just need a new blueprint or running a police department with new people who don't come to the same union as as you know every. Every patrol. Every chief has been patrol officer, and most of them have been patrol officers Minneapolis. So that's the history. They come from last question for you. What did you see when you watch the video? We all believe for saw on Tuesday. Well! I hate to tell you that I saw. It happened again. Because in two thousand ten September in the way I'm. Building in Minneapolis over six floor. The same thing happened to David Smith who? WHO's? And trustee became my client to assert his civil rights he was he was mechanically sixty. It'd by to Minneapolis officers. Ended up, not being disciplined still on the force, not charged with second degree murder, not chartered manslaughter church anything didn't this. they've won a pen camera that filmed all HD. And the and the person is conscious at. The same time and I watched this, and and there were people watching it in in the basketball court like the we're here. Although they weren't vocal and didn't have cell phones, but it was. It's it's deja Vu all over. They haven't learned anything. That's ten years the same thing. The same kind of mechanical fishy of seems sort of a positional. Restraint and and problem that occurred with David Smith for. George, Floyd I mean it's ridiculous to black men. You know the the similarities were unreal to me. I mean that's I. You know I was just. Shaking I mean it was. I hate to say that I had. You don't like to watch that. Happen on seen it twice. It's hard to unseat. Bob I. Appreciate Your Time Very Much. We'll be in touch down the road as well. Thanks for thanks for joining US TODAY GIVE! Pleasure, thank you very much, thank you. That is Bob Bennett local attorney who's been involved in a number civil cases. Including the The newer case in in which he was involved, he was representing the family of Justin reuss chick. Daymond well, that was a case. In which eventually a twenty million dollar, a transformational settlement was indeed part of that particular civil case deal Let's get a pause in with to switch the subject pretty dramatically. and. We're GONNA talk COVID nineteen we put this off forever. We know it's a heavy news day on the a topic. We also think we can't neglect the COVID nineteen story forever. She'll get an update from Dr Bill Maurice Kessler back with us at a fan. The old bubble program. Rita six thirty Monday through Friday here on the Fan Kessler will join. In about one half hour with the very latest on The chargers changed against A. Child. And They now officially exist involving the other three officers as well. All that'll be laid out again. Later in this show catchy at five thirty. We have not talked over nineteen much at all. For fairly obvious reasons. To the point where we were somewhat concerned that our next guest. Might well Boycott the show. By just say you know what? They don't care about me. I'm not gonNA care about yeah. I understand. There's other pressing news going on here, but I'm still here. I'm still big. Knock male clinic. And covid nineteen we don't think has gone away although it'd be a wonderful thing if it did black being the class act he is, he is indeed agreed to talk to us right now in the clinic lasix. And cataract hotline. Dr Bill Maurice is I was worried I told guards I was very worried that I wasn't even sure. You'RE GONNA accept our calls, but you rose above it. And I. Think it was very mature of you, so we thank you for agreeing to join us today. Well yeah good thing I read. Self help book. I don't get that sensitive obviously I. You know I like everyone else. Actually appreciated the focus on the dialogue that you were having about the issues up there really across the country that were had the descent epicenter right there in Minneapolis so no I, if I if I was small enough to be offended by something like that, I'm certainly well well passing now. Good to know I'm glad you rose above it. All Right? We all assumed that on the basis of all the rules that medical people thought was important that we tried to put into place or many medical people certainly did. that. We are now giving naturist crowds here, but obviously the country that we are going to see a wave. An extra wave so to speak of of covid nineteen. Is that automatic? Is that what you're hearing? Is that what the people who know this business fearing hosmer is going to play out realistically. Well. Unfortunately like everything was closed. We don't know for sure a definitely. The fear right now that that all mass gatherings will lead. A new spike in it, cases and covert hospitalization the sad fact that we know already is that the the people that are most at risk before having complications from that that will put them in hospital and in serious trouble. Are The you know? African Americans are people living in Inner City people experiencing homelessness, many of these are the people that are being involved in these gatherings or be and in the areas of them. There was as you know. Mayo is part of the Minnesota testing coalition. We did have some dialogue. Late last week about doing do something different with having over the weekend and. I can really do. Try and make the testing available now, because if we see something, it's GonNa. Take about you know ten days to two weeks. Really see there's going to be an after an actor. Shock of covid nineteen from all the mass you know the the mass protests in the mass gatherings that we saw last week. Almost all of those gatherings as you well know, obviously have been outdoors. And we've talked about this before. The there seemed to be a belief. even though there were still we were a lot so a lot. We were learning on the fly here about the the the conditions that that that make you more likely to to to perhaps get it. Does that give us any. Do we have any more information on that because? You know a lot of people thought okay that in fact I think a lot of the reporting out of China for whatever that's worth and some people you know at times been real credible was there were almost no cases of a covert nineteen, being contracted outside, and so we're all trying to get a handle on it. Is it well, but if you have three or four thousand people together in a fairly confined space outside? That negates the fact that you're outside. We have any more. That you do anymore now you can bring to that subject outside versus inside. Well I think the whole premise of outside it pretty clear. Now that were you know as we look at Tobin teen, and this is things about this a lot. Actually in the hospitals, and as the O. reopened the hospitals and operating rooms You know you can look at droplet spread, which is you know as it sound droplets. They're kind of. Any errors and talk and cough and sneeze versus aerosolize me something. That's so small. If you go up through event, and you know, go to another room, it does appear that it's more droplets bread then air socialized Brad which means that having distance between people is helpful. Droplets can only travel about five feet. So in theory, being outside should be helpful because you're more spread out, but clearly the pictures that we saw were not people spread out, so we don't know the flipside of that is we still don't know everything that drives. What makes people really end up being in the hospital because? We are seeing an increase in cases right now in our Mayo testing in southeastern Minnesota it's related to to some of the meat packing industries defending spread within family, but we haven't seen a big bryden hospitalizations knee and we're taking. That's mostly because it's younger people or so again it's like. This. It's like A. Odd It's like an I, you know. Mystery. Every time we see something new. It's a little bit different than you predict we're going to be. So I think it reflects confidence now, then then we might have in in terms of what's going to be the the big gatherings that we've seen in Minneapolis and Saint Paul across the country. The this may sound odd to some people, but if you go back to win the governor kind of his his his backpedal, regarding worship. And opened up a little bit after he was Kinda. Directly challenged in some cases, the recommendation though was, don't sing, and I got a couple of emails from people saying what the Hell's antibodies. He's telling people not to sing, but as I understand, it is based on what I've read. there is a greater chance of transmission. If you're bellowing if you're yelling if you're singing for all the obvious reasons when it comes to to droplets, and let's be honest. We're seeing a lot of people outdoors yelling. Chanting whatever the case may be where I wonder, if that also enters into the possibility of even outdoors, there could be a greater likelihood of of spike because we're not just talking about people being very quiet and a number of cases. They're being very loud. They're they're yelling. They're talking. They're chanting whatever the case may be. Yeah. Well first of all you know I've had people for years after not seeing. More, it's another off. But You know I mean I. Know what you're exactly right. I mean I think that clearly dropping so if you're yelling shopping if you're drinking. And doing things other English increase the likelihood you know I, think the other piece of it so. I really believe governor's take thoughtful approach the state. As. You and I've talked about the last couple of months. There's different of thought so you will get different environment from different people about what to do, and what say does not say. Bu-. That Even with all situation clearly was precipitated by what happened with me. You Know Floyd, and and that this was another instant that's pervasive in our society, but that's on the backdrop of people just growing growing social frustration with the acuity about what we're being told to do, and not to on top of that. This has been a concern. I I remember when I heard about the social unrest in China. Related to Kobe. And dynamic, and because they're they stop people from. Where they have you know family members where they have a centuries-old traditions do that in the month of January as part of the years that there were public unrest in China, and if you spent time in China and understand the control, the government exerts over the population. Know that people are frustrated and up they really I mean clearly people taking their lives in an. Has Been called, but you really do in a country where it's illegal to bear arms, you know and I worried about our own country about what would there be some precipitous sat would really put people over the edge, and fortunately besides and so to me. That's as much as you know as much to be concerned about. People going to catch from these these protests. Turned about do our. Best intentioned efforts to prevent that actually drive. It's also unrest which is going to lead to this the I've I've reached had a kind of a meltdown. Mask moment of last week because every day I get. Emails continuously on both sides of the deal. It doesn't help it might help. It doesn't help outside. It might help inside and I i. don't try to convince anybody I I. Don't go out in out people. I wear one when I'm out. certainly when I'm in stores, but I I'm done I'm not I just don't want to go through all that nonsense any longer, but I will ask you as somebody who who has some expertise in this. Whether it is I- provable or believe it believe by the medical experts that there is a significant, even if you believe in the use of a mask that there is a significant difference in terms of its potential effectiveness inside versus outside because I I've heard a lot of people who are not anti mask who aren't in that group who don't think that this has become a political issue for them. Say outdoors really unless maybe you're in a group of five thousand, but if you're just out about. No point it. It doesn't really do anything for you. Is that true? Do we know that to be true? I know. I don't know that we know to be true. I think if you're a F. We know that you're going to be out. And of course. Rochester different I mean I think one thing we do know is true. Is that the whatever it? The organic rate of crowding I would call it where you live is going to affect the transmission rate so the out in about New York, city now I live in Chicago as a lot different, right and being in Rochester Minnesota. You know I ride my bike and run to work sometimes I'M NOT GONNA. Wear them. Ask you know. You know. People are avoiding anyway. You gotTA. You gotTA. Keep that in mind and I. You know so I agree and but the hard part. Two of course is that whenever any policy is subject to interpretation and so trying to create degrees of freedom you might be creating danger for people will take it too far, so I think we we naturally veer and the medical profession to the more cautious side, right sure so, but then that set feels much more limited the people because. People that do things now that really defy logic I think a number of weeks ago. We talked about the so called super spreader, and this came up again I want to say in a school environment. I thought it was the middle. East or where it was I thought am I. Even Been Israel, but I'm not sure in which i. read something the effect of that. In in one case, a super spreader ended up spreading Kovic to like one hundred thirteen different individuals, and it raises once again. The big mystery question to me. Do we have a better handle on Holland why one individual? Out of I don't know how many seems to be capable of doing that. When so many others have covert nineteen are nowhere near as capable of spreading to that many people do we have a better handle on that? And is it just a F- a function of of loch where it happens and where it doesn't. I think it's probably to to. Function of two variables. One is just. The fact that different people have different viral load meaning that some people just have a lot more of it than others. There's actually one of things that really interesting to me. Comment made by a lot of the people that are involved right now in medical profession looking at this. Have experience from HIV and hepatitis. C. And so the comment was made by one of my college mail that we probably learned as much as six months of Cova did. They took about ten years to learn what HIV and hepatitis C. So. We know so much more now than we did and so I think we know that Brinson that there probably are some people that haven't used system that had some capability to react against Kobe even though they haven't been infected because they had enough prospectivity with the. The cold viruses that are common that have some level of protection now possible that people like that never get a very high viral load, and so they're not going to spread it to have many people. You know viral of meeting when you test, even though it's not really quantitative tests, there's some of the nasal swabs that'd be testing people, and it's like through the roof with like hundreds of millions of copies virus that we detect so whereas others much less than that. So then the other piece, though is awareness, right so I think probably combination Dan before we were aware of the need to do social distancing and master and other things If you have with really high viral load, they were out and they they could be a super spreader because people were really really didn't have an awareness. He them as individuals or people around him that there was something to watch out for by the way for the record Michael Russo from the athletic. A huge fan of yours had has called our producer during this. This presentation your presentation today, and and also curious to know what you think of the NHL return to play plan would involving hub cities. What what what does that? Is it workable? Is it now lou? Nannies not Dr. Louis is still very skeptical that this thing is in the end gonNA work. Even if there's good intentions here, any thoughts on and I don't know how much you know specifically about the NHL plan, but I think he's by guards. You're referring to the hub city concept that part of trying to get this thing done. Well I. I'm a big Fan. Myself Mutual I. Was Gonna I was going to mention that the real downside of the whole code ten dynamic for me, personally as zoom meetings me and daily I have to look at a video portrayal and myself and think about my hair loss. A. Problem must be the. Anyway. The guy in the video is always way older than me, and there's even a touch your image thing so it says right. On. But if and when I know the you know, the and I haven't read in detail about what they plan to do. I think it's actually reasonable to have a controlled setting to try and bring players together. If there's one area that of all the employers that have reached out us and to me individually say, how can we save you this? to have people in location where they're where you're testing frequently and you really controlling exposure I think it is, it is reasonable, but again it goes back to also. There's no zero risk right. There's no right and companies have reached out. They WANNA have nail clinic. Help us to make sure we never have Kobe positive person in the workplace, and it's like that's just not going to happen because that's not how it works I. I think the other piece of it is there? We have made amazing strides and treatment to me. The biggest concern on the athletic side was at someone come in maybe in a contract year get really seriously ill at Kobe has a decrease in their physical abilities right through lung, injury or something. You know who's liable for that. I think that being an eventuality, certainly still within the realm of possibility, but now with the antecedent and. And some of the other therapies that are coming to the to bear I think it's reasonable within a few months. We'll have very effective. Ashley Treatment Strategies that will help with that I don't think it's I. Don't think it's unreasonable, obviously but it does probably the hardest part is getting the players union and the owners to agree on what's acceptable level of risk, because it's not the owners only to financial risk, the players owned the actual physical risk right. Is, it sounds like you're trying to give us a little bit of a ray of hope there, that's not vaccine related, but in terms of what you view as the improvements in treatment, and maybe understanding how we can most effectively treat this thing you feel. Did you mean to send that message as positively as it sounded to me. Yeah well I mean. Yeah I tend to be an optimistic person just to be completely transparent right but I do, and as I look at what's happening. I think that we will move to a period where we can have more effective interventions than just isolation attack tracing, and you don't get really seriously ill. I think there's early returned with Ram Ram is a beer. And now we know with HIV and hepatitis that to drugs usually work better than one. Those trials already started. There's really promising early results with the DICAMBA. Anna Thira were actually going to be testing nail clinic labs. The net real taxes to see if I am bodies in their blood. Can it actually blocked the virus in in in a cast? We actually gonNA live at tests next week that we can actually start testing most of the donors from across the country to see if they have effective antibodies, blocking the virus, so I really believe by by the end of the summer will have some some actual treatment options for individuals that will actually be able to to bend the curve on on becoming. Becoming seriously ill now. What we don't know yet how effective those will be how how available those will be all those things, but you know and I, my way I think is still be play out that we'll have more therapies coming through here over the course of the summer, and then you know maybe in a year we'll actually have a good understanding one vaccination. This may be an impossible question to answer, but I've never stopped me from asking it anyway. if the governor. Contacted you sometime in the next. Let's say three or four weeks. And said we're. We're trying to get a real handle a real honest. Handle on whether we can even consider starting our schools I'm talking about you know Public Schools K. through twelve on time or somewhere close on time. And get kids back in the classroom. Would you advise what advice be? Would you say yeah that I can see clear to that or too soon for you to feel that confident? To I to me, I think with with kids. children that we still there are things we don't understand you know. At first medical community was like well. We think the best thing will be once. This is know the way we will achieve. Collective immunity also referred to her herd immunity. The people expelled earlier like when they don't get seriously ill. Then you hear you know reports of children having these inflammatory conditions spurred by the virus. I don't understand yet. Really well. how how this affects children so I think we need to learn more and the other than it's GonNa. Come from that as I do. Think checking side. I can tell you. We are doing a lot to really focus on being able to get widely available testing that will be needed. I think college is my biggest concern is probably colleges because there is going to be social distancing will be impossible so I think college is actually a really are really tough, a tough needle thread, but I. You know I don't I don't know we can say IT I. I think that's why it's so ambiguous. Think if we had more available testing and no more. How at risk kids really are That's what we need to really know about school. Is there any news you want a break? Today I mean. Is there a male clinic headline that I missing from earlier in the day if you said okay, what's the latest thing involved in involving Mayo Clinic that you either are involved in or given the empire? You guys have a lot of people working in a lot of different areas. That someone else is working on. That can be you know broken on this this show this afternoon. feuding. Cheeser out there so that you have you back one more time at least I mean. There's a Lotta. On but. Nothing nothing that I can just flows publicly. Oh, there's a lot of a lot of employers that are working with us. There's a lot of things that we're doing on the testing side as well and then there's you know there's just a lot a lot of things like that. A lot of opportunities for from Mayo. Clinic, myself included to maybe participate in some some discussions that national global level for there's a lot happening, but nothing that I can disclose today. On the Scheldt it's almost like you've become a radio guy now. He's holding back a little something for to make sure that people tune in when he joins US next week. All right well, the the promise will be. We won't skip another week. We will have you back next week. It's good to hear your voice, we appreciate. Your help has always, and we will will. We will chat very so. I appreciate the opportunity and maybe someday I'll be on here. Russo at the same time. Everyone Ashley Lending Yogurt. CAPRA stop to play or something like that. Don't hold your breath, but. We can make that work eventually will indeed we'll give you the chance to be the rule that I know. You really are especially as it pertains to hockey. Thank you? Dr Bill Maurice Mayo. Clinic President Male Click Clinic laboratories kind enough to join us on a very busy news day. We're GONNA get a very short of a well pause here with a shorty, and then we'll prepare for Kessler to kind of bring us up to date on just what news you might have missed from earlier in the day as well and there's been plenty of it here in the city of many. Dodo all is still conducting a what looks to be I, have the sound turn down. But even with the sound turned down. He has been doing a lot of gesturing. Moving around. It it see I'm not saying it's a volatile presser it's it seems as if it's a very forceful. Press conference. if we've missed anything great guards, sure you'll let me know if there's anything specific because we we. We started the show with Keith, Ellison Presser, and then we've had a cavalcade a very good guests I think since and so it's some. It's an ongoing issue, do you? Which press conferences do you Iran? which don't certainly run plenty? Involving the governor, we thought the most important one today without doubt was Attorney General Keith Ellison. Announcing the new charges, the upgraded charges in the case of Calvin and new charges in the case of the other three officers, but is there anything big that we should mention in this short segment while in Kessler's following GonNa follow so he's by watching it right now and live tweeting his well, but he said this with the CNN reporter as well today governor walls when he went down to thirty eight. Then Chicago okay that he believes this is our last chance to fix the systematic problems, systematic racism and the lack of accountability up down our society that led to a daytime. Daytime killing of a black man on the list of things Governor Wall says they need to improve on more teachers of color, more financial ability to buy homes more study of health disparities bail reform and more governor says it'll be a wry a wide range of bills next week to address long-standing economic disparities and systematic racism aimed at communities of color. There'll be bills, but there has to be the vote. That's where that's where it gets kind of complicated and who wants to spend the money. And where is it better to spend the money, so we'll see I have no doubt. They're going to be. There's going to be a very ambitious agenda. Yes the question is whether what the What the result is and how and different people might even disagree on what would be a satisfactory way to try. To carry all's Rowlands, speaking of the of the of the vote, you know with the bills I'm curious and I don't remember who said it, I. Might have been President Obama in his statement before he did his town hall type thing today did a rube chat today more or less? Yeah, but. One of the things that comes up all the time. When it comes to agents of change. Is Everybody and I'm guilty of this as well. You pay attention to the presidential elections. Every four years and you don't really think about the midterms. You don't really think. Maybe it's critically as you should. Midterms or even in local elections, while even more so, and and not even that they don't vote, but they might not give the same thought. Yeah, right to what's going on in the cities and truth be told Yeah. We've got a lot of work federally to do. But I'm really curious, because I think there's been a big. Push by a lot of people to say. The time you do it that you really do it obviously do everything that you're doing now and you do the day to day stuff, but the elections. Locally are the place where you really gotta pay attention. I'm curious to see if that makes a difference at all in the turn out and I think that's fair in the education. That's probably pretty key. Because everything is a, is it a? Is it a DEFCON? One level right now? The the question and I think there's reasonable leave. It's GonNa last longer on this occasion, but again in the end you got to have legislation. You really do I, mean we? We talked about this. The platitudes and the Hash Tags are all wonderful, but in the end it's how you're going to deal with this thing legislatively how you're gonNA. Be Able to to to add program subtract programs. Get to the to the `nother some of these issues. That's where it counts by the way is. I'm assuming that sign language Gal at the governor pressures. She's GonNa. Have to get a big GIG after this right. She has been I mean it is the star. She's The star and she's been doing it. Every day I mean you WanNa talk about someone who has stamina? And as I'm not a great sign, language May. By any means. But as I've certainly seen others sign. There is no sign language individual. Who who who approaches her job? With greater intensity and passion and An, ability to communicate that I've ever see. She's unstoppable, so I'm assuming at the end of this. There's GonNa. Be Some big. GIG that she gets or something. There's gotta be something she she she's earned. I don't know if she they're paying her overtime or anything, but she's definitely earned something because she has. I'm sure she would prefer not to have had to have this moment because no one wants to wish this crisis on any of us. By? Bottom line as she has She's risen I. Think She's risen to the occasion. put it out. She's what we need on twitter in that. She got the inflection. It's hard to to use inflection in sign language, but her face unbelievable tells just as much of a story as her hands to it the. Feel bad for the other guy, because it makes it and other interpreted from time to time, I've never seen an. Dude. Yeah, no chance! Yeah, he's probably been dismissed. Probably been released. resigned. What he did. I can't keep up with this I mean. She. There there's no such thing as a poker face. No with this signer now. Maybe she's capable of it and she has a want to have it. Because part of what she does is the expressions, but man. Oh, man, can she? Is Immortal the right word whatever it is, she she's got a one hundred percent. All Right? Let's let's pause here. We didn't have a top five at five today. The NBA owners are going to have a conference. Call tomorrow to vote on the NBA coming back eight regular season games. Everybody thinks it's going to. It's going to get past, so that's just a matter of the dates, but it's going to happen Nhl I don't think is quite as far along. Is it no okay and Major League baseball still fighting. They're hoping to have a season by the year twenty, twenty, one or perhaps twenty twenty two at best Kessler to help us sort of distill all of the news of the day and he'll give us the highlights from the walls, oppressor as well on. I wish the American media will take a great. At the view of the people in Congress and find out. Are they call America anti? Off. Not I can't trust. Her Kessler tear down this wall. I. Ever short list. We did at once. Again Especially now we. Break you'll states too valuable in the afternoon these days? Yes and Goes on I. Feel like a supermodel. Except like the day we got extra guests it we're trying to. Answer. Fan. Clinic lasik cataract hotly. Sorry, yeah, well, it's just just goes on forever. I. Know You're real important. Add to it. I'M GONNA. Ask Our listeners. I'd say we add to it. We have so much great material right now. Minnesota Minnesota sports trump. At, four fifty five PM so about well, you do the math, but forty five minutes ago. The new king of the FAKE MINNESOTA! Media Mike Max. Is a really special guy who deserves every bit of creditors wonderful reporting their last week's protests. I wonder is his overcooked W. Cohort, Kessler needs a reality. Check watching his back yet. He better be. Shots fine. How `bout that. Oh Man Yeah so it looks like trump has tweeted. Mike Max Mac KS and that's close enough. so it is pretty amazing. yes, a star is born I. Think they've made. One, original movie one remaking now, Mike, Macintyre, that's. The sequel! Maxxie Mike Max all you guys in the toy. Guys do you got it all figured out because you can cover the bats in the balls and yeah, you know you're great. You know you know everything. There is about sports well. Why don't you just get out on the streets in in an emergency in a chaotic way? With with tear gas rubber. Why don't you try that Dan? No? There's no. We talked about it yesterday. There's no denying that the thing. That surprises me, though is, he's telling everybody based on what I've read. The wants to go right back to the toy department. I'd say my my reaction would be toy department. Never going back there again I want to be one of the regular reporters. Give me a break, I. I'm not going back to that nonsense now. There are people last night hoping that there was severe weather and he would break into cover that. You GotTa Roll Your Sleeves, up. Sleaze, for sure well, let's talk about this just for a moment for our listeners who haven't seen it. Mike Max are sports director W C C. L just very unassuming. Matter of fact he kind of goes from here to there. Ask the questions and whatever balls and strikes. He goes out to cover these riots. And it's unbelievable. He is everywhere bombs going off all around him. tear-gas flying someone said on twitter with all the fires and the screaming, and then he wakes at somebody off camera. The Guy and laughable and has been just unbelievable Rosen. Rosen never did that rose never did. Never did all the you know we when we had the flies? Made her disasters. Where was Mark Rosa? I'm just GonNa ask you that. Well you know I did talk about this with I've talked with several other reporters who've had to work in difficult conditions in covering stuff and live time that might be a demonstration might be a riot. It might be a flawed all kinds of things, but where there is. The I guess challenge of. Figuring out what? Danger might be lurking and it might be. You, know a somebody with a weapon. It might be just some drunken idiot who happens to stumbled upon the spot from which? You are broadcasting. It is a I admire greatly the folks who could pull that off and still seem somewhat natural. Still try to survey a scene, but who sort of has to sense. Trouble if you know what I mean, you gotta be able to know. I'm done I gotta go right now and I gotta find another spot because I just don't like the looks of this situation or this individual whatever the case may be, it's quite an art. It is a lot of these a little more difficulty also because there is a camera and you have ranked photo. And you are. You're tied to that camera. You've got something in your ear, and you're listening a radio in your ear near piece that you're listening to the station while they're directing you here and there look behind you. And you have to tell a story and Maxxie just pulled. This off was unbelievable yesterday I think he. He wasn't on the air for one of the shows yesterday and we were flooded now. What happened to it complained now. Where's Maxxie Yeah? So, yes, so what do you do? Go back to sports. It's just like. Letdown kid especially in this town where all our teams are mediocre. Even bother any case you watching my back I. don't even well, not really because you're aiming to answer that now. You're pretty old. I mean you're time limited anymore. I mean. We're all in that, but we're all heading in that direction large Dan. Exactly right by the way well. Y- one other item before we get to serious stuff what the governor's has been talking about. Is there a I I'm wondering? If you've heard behind the scenes whether any of the principals who've spoken on very serious issues have felt like they have been. Shall we say up staged by the best signer translator? I've ever witnessed I. Don't know her name I. Don't know if you've figured out. If maybe you've even done story on her, she's on. Her. She's unbelievable and she is apparently cannot be exhausted. She never stops. She's always the person there. She never mails it in I, have not heard her male or seen her male in one signing yet. What's her story backstory there? You Know I. Don't have that However, she is somebody that these things are not like normal press conference. Twenty minutes long thirty minutes long an hour long. These are going an hour to two hours long. And and she really is amazing. I see frequently particularly in other states where signers will trade off with another one. They come in fifteen minutes. Yeah exactly and she is really amazing, well guards. He said she has seen. There's another guy, but now he. We all assume that he resigned his position. Because, he's got no chance. It's I mean. How do you it's like trying? To match with Michael Jordan for also trying to take Jack Morris out in game seven and she signed I'm you're not taking me out? Yeah, you're not taking me out. By the way for the record, look at these these tweets that have just come in pretty unanimous is tweeter Leslie. Love the Kessler Open think he should be on more often. See Aaron Rights. You guys don't step on the Kessler theme song I look forward to it every week. Don't change a thing. Tk Rights not tell Tom Kelly I don't think. Extend the Kessler opening and him on until six thirty Dan so so far. So they got some fans got some fans. I had no idea well the material. That's out there that we can ask. About it all, we could make this like a two and a half minute open and you could sell it could brand it down and monetize it you could. That's very true. I I WANNA get to what the governor had to say, but let me set this story up again. A little bit by telling folks what Attorney General Keith Ellison. Confirmed at three o'clock presser that we played live in almost cysts entirety the top of the show, indeed the charges on Derek Chalvin have been up gradation to second degree murder, the other three officers at the scene, also charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder as well The governor ended up moving back kind of delaying his own briefing. What were the highlights from your standpoint of what you heard from him this afternoon? Well, the governor's briefing was about a public safety update does just so everybody knows we have the curfew? In Minneapolis and Saint, Paul extended from the next two nights ten pm to four eight am. It's. Wednesday and Thursday nights, so the temperature has cooled quite a bit over time, but we still say the governor of the State of Minnesota still needs us, but the point of his his appearance. This afternoon was mostly to talk about now. We are in a position after these charges have been filed, the enhanced charges hence murder charges against the one officer, and then arresting the three other officers on second degree, aiding and abetting charges now that that's. happening the governor says now time to turn attention. To what these protests are about, and that is systemic racism racial disparities. All of the income and educational gaps are the mortality gaps between racists. That's the biggest issue now the legislature. Is going to make next week in special session. There's a lot to do. But I will ask you I asked this rhetorically to all of our listeners. What is more important than dealing with this right now, and is this an opportunity to do it? That's what the governor talking about that. We need to start moving very quickly, and this is going to be controversial. See what comes out of the legislature next week, also remember. That, we are still remember the pandemic. Remember the Cova crisis. Barely. We still got all that happening so That's what this press conference was about Keith Ellison press conferences the news of the day. people weren't sure be able to do this. he was under quite a bit of pressure. Particularly from the George Floyd family and the lawyer for the Floyd's. WHO said they are not going to hold a memorial service until these charges are filed well this afternoon. They were is correct. do I. I, I got an email earlier today demanding an apology for me. About a rant yesterday to start the show on the president that the new information is that I had was all false that the that tear gas was not used on protesters. To clear the area for the president to do his his perp walk. In position to then give his speech, and that that was all fake news that was all made up and that as a result, I need to explain myself on today's show that that was the just the whatever they did the protesters they were going to do any way to them, and they were throwing water bottles, and you got to create a place a safe place for the president. President to speak so I, haven't emailed him back and I haven't addressed it yet. On the show do I am I going to have to curl up in the fetal position, or can you provide more background forming I mean? When's the last time you were hit with? Tear Gas I'm just GonNa ask you that never I mean so. It's happened to me a couple of times. And over the last few days, a lot of reporters were hit with tear gas room. A lot of reporters were targeted in my view. But you. A lot of them were hit by tear gas. Let me go straight to what happened in Washington. This is what we like to call the distinction. In in stead of a difference. That what you call it distinction without a difference. I think about a different right. So this is what it is know. Dan It wasn't tear gas. It was pepper bombs. It was pepper spray with smoke. They can't big difference. So I i. You know when I heard this today because they're going out and demanding attractions from. from from news organizations that reported it was tear gas and many many protesters and reporters. Were overcome by gas of smoke and pepper spray and had to be treated medically because of it. But so they're not saying that it was pepper. They're not. They're not saying that they're saying. It wasn't tear gas, so let's be clear about this. On the throwing a bottles that the White House is alleged throwing of objects at the soldiers. There is no evidence that I've seen from all of the people there. All of the reporters there there were a thousand cameras there. There is no evidence of that I'd like to see if somebody has it. Send it to me, but there is no evidence of it, so we're trying to remake reality and change the narrative of what this is. But, who are you going to believe? Me Or your lying eyes. That's where we stand. That seems fair is the Secretary of Defense. Well we know he's in the meat grinder that would be of course mark asper. Can you explain to the audience why he's in the meat grinder with the president, and whether he's doing this or Ouaga backpedal, or about to resign, or about to be fired or things cooling down? This was a shocker to me. The Secretary of Defense was one of the people who walked with President. Trump after the troops violent not. Only will walk courageously according to the former governor of Wisconsin courageously. Yeah. The truth. Is that what he said, yes, he said it was a there was no president. One are the president would have the courage to do what Donald Trump did. Not Of course a couple people point. Dwight Eisenhower might have had a courageous moment or two. US IN WORLD WAR TWO PT One. Oh, nine John Kennedy and number of others, but anyway I digress George George H W, Bush Shot down a couple of. the White House today compared the president's walk from the White House to Lafayette Park. To Winston, Churchill. and. They're making that. skews you chat. Winston Church didn't walking in the London. They went. They did not say that. WHO said to him? You're you're trying to get me going on. that. All listeners I want you to end Dan Okay Yeah. Secretary Outlook Anyway doesn't matter I. Wish I hand to got all the press secretary The Best Co said. To Winston Churchill walking the. London after the blitz. So the defense secretary, walk whether it, and and he felt immediately bad about it. We don't have a history in this country. Of using the military for domestic law enforcement. Foreign Countries do authoritarian governments use the military to keep law and order. We don't do that ear. The defense secretary instead of backpedaling today went full-frontal. He did that. He does not agree with it. Says even though the president said he wants to invoke the insurrection act. He says I'm opposed to that. I don't think we should do it. And I shouldn't have used the words that I did when he described the protests as a battlespace, so there's a whole bunch of things now. Literally minutes later on. He's on thin ice The White House not happy with them, you know the president has the right to get rid of whoever wants now the defense secretary. is in a little bit of trouble. Wow! Might be gone. By tomorrow or sooner? We got so and the president is defending this. He walked across the park, according to numerous multiple reports because he didn't like the coverage. Of when he was rushed to the bunker. Apparently, there's this. Tremendous underground bunker. In the White House for very serious situations. They rushed the first family. Yeah, well, that's the part I guess I'm confused by because a lot of people were bathing him on that and this case, he took the bait. I think I have no problem with him going to the bunker. I, mean people are turning it into got less your. If. Your? If your. Yes Service Sago the Bucker I'm going to the bunker, but the problem is for him that it becomes personal right it becomes. I'm not manly enough. To these protests? Here's how Manley I am. The. Street the after I have my my my soldiers clear out a path about nine miles wide to no one's near me, and I'm going to hold up a Bible that I probably have it opened in about five years. And say whatever I'm going to say I, I'm. Let's be I'm already enough trouble. Let's end this because it's you know you know this stuff goes I. cannot believe you know what I blame you today. I'm putting this all on you. Because you spurred beyond, you made up the Churchill thing now. Dan Hannah God. Ron just sent this to his Robert Costa at Kosta reports the White House press secretary just invoke Winston Churchill inspecting bombing damage during World War Two when asked why president trump went to Saint John's. That's the best was in London. Last year and I went to the war Newseum I went to the bunker. And I emerged from it like Churchill. into the sunshine to go a hamburger or something? Didn't we call you from? POB? Think we did actually yeah I called you. Pretty. Lot of pubs around there. And you were in most of them. I'm going to tell Okay I. We. Are we'll be in touch all week. Thank you very much. Back, Channel Four political reporter. We had a conversation with Joe Friedberg Four. We had a conversation with another attorney at four thirty who you may not be as familiar with you may actually be even more familiar with him I want to review a couple of things he had to say because he was He was no shrinking violet as it pertains to his opinion. Opinions regarding the Minneapolis police loaded now. Guards tells me that the other three officers at the scene former officers. At. The scene of the crime may twenty fifth. Are Now all in custody. That is Those three individuals are to towel. Jay Alexander is a proud Kong. We decide and Thomas Lane. All three charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder I believe the chargers at all. Three of their cases are identical there no. Distinctions Joe Friedberg. We had him on much earlier in the show about four and I I don't know if we talked about this on air, but we've talked about previously that you can. End Up having different sentences, if each of the three are convicted or all four end up getting convicted. On the basis of the the judge's discretion depending on what the case itself. Indeed reveals. We also chatted at the bottom of the four o'clock hour with a local. Civil and civil rights attorney by the name of Bob Bennett who's been involved in a number of significant cases here, including the the nor case. You! Did you notice by the way that That! The attorney, General Keith Ellison. May through. Prem- another bone same thing Freeman said when Freeman had his presser by the way. We're one of the few police. The district attorney's have been able to successfully prosecute. A police officer for murder. Right and Ellison said the same thing trying to is trying to do the best he can and make man's. Because the case was kind of taken away from Freeman. We'll do we get in of it. Ellison flanked by Freeman. then. They were standing up there together and then when the question started. I don't know where he went to the bag to the sideline. They're a little bit. Yeah, in any case. then. We talked with Ben about a lot of different things, but he has had a number of cases involving Minneapolis police and suffice to say well. You tweeted. Maybe you can just offer up a couple of tweets that you did at the time about what Bennett had to say because Bennett. Is in the group. That believes that the Minneapolis Police Department. Absolutely he's got a problem that goes well beyond any anyone case to the point where he said what. Hang on I have my own tweets. Mostly. You know what I mean I policy. You're usually pretty adapt about. Trying to embarrass you, I know. What time did we go I? Remember I tweeted one. That Josh braaten reach. A, picture of Kevin Harlan okay, which I think means on high down hard hard. Yeah, the one that caught my attention that that kind of started the whole thing. Was that Police Department is the poster child for bad policing? It needs a total redo. and. He talked about Bob Kroll obviously yet. He was very critical. Of course he's not the only one. The pressure is being ratchet up. There but he. In his mind, there is a significant distinction. Between the Minneapolis police departments of Saint, Paul Police, department. I believe he said in terms of calls. He gets his offices at six or seven to one exactly a Minneapolis Saint Paul. His point being that he's not against. Policing in a city and we know Minneapolis is a bigger city than Saint Paul obviously but in his mind over forty years, he said the. The the the difference is dramatic enough, and this is an ongoing enough that he he just he wants to start over and I. don't even know what the mechanism would be. We've heard that from the city council. Yup a couple of times The what the mechanism would be to do that I. Guess that my guess is if you get. If the investigation into the Police Department being done by the through that the governor announced yesterday. provides enough ammunition that maybe there's the opportunity To. Take some very unusual steps in that in that particular regard I don't know the practicalities of that are enormous and daunting. Given. I still think most of us believe the importance of the. Of, the job to keep the peace. Even if there is there layers controversy, but he did not in any way. Hesitate or mince words now again. He's a civil rights attorney. He has represented several individuals in that regard. He is an advocate that needs to be factored in I. Understand that completely, but it was another individual. Who has it has I think? Been It's sort of built on itself we we've heard from foreign. pull a former police chief. Harto, we've heard from former mayor longtime mayor rt Rybeck. And We're continuing to hear that. There is something fundamental. Here and different people have different theories. About what that's about, in fact, we're still. Trying to get a hold of a couple of other individuals who might be helpful? In in that regard that guards. He's working on behind the scenes, but he was. He was not equivocating all that no. One curious to see because there's pressure, obviously, a lot of places have made. The step to sever their ties with the police department right. Minneapolis schools for example University Minnesota now. There's been some others as well. I'm curious to see if internally they'll look at each other. We got a huge problem here. That isn't GonNa go away as long as he is in charge, and there was a letter to the editor a couple of days ago where? The Police Officers Federation. And City of Minneapolis basically you've. Have you know a contractor? Whatever as well and that thing expired in twenty nineteen and they haven't renegotiating. Obviously, there's been a lot of things right before even this with the pandemic and everything, but that one step that the city could take say we have no interest in talking about a new deal talking about anything talking about a contra, whatever it is until you make this move. Maybe, that could be a lever I'm not sure what the formats are going into that, but it's it's not gonNA. Go Away. They got they got a real problem and as I mentioned. The question is whether the police officers themselves. Reach a point that even if they believe, they have a great advocate there. Are they losing? Even as they think they're gaining to the point where the attempt to find someone and I don't know if there's a way out of that box and I don't think it's just about that I think. The more people I talk to it's it's about a mentality, a policing style and anybody listening to this show knows. I'm not community police guy because I just don't think that's real. I don't think it sounds good to say. It sounds wonderful to say but I don't think it's realistic, and so this is an. This is an anti police position. That you might hear elsewhere in general. But. There's something up here that they have to get a handle on and like. I said we've had enough I. mean he named about nine police chief who to varying degrees of all tried to step in and do this and do that and there's still. I. Think a feeling that there's a mentality. There's too much of a siege mentality and look. There have been times where we've been critical I certainly been critical of the city council in regarding policing downtown and the the feeling that. The frustration there in the part of polices. They're not allowed to do their jobs and when I say do their jobs I mean legally. But forcefully. And, that can create a different kind of a morale issue, but this is something. some snakes. And the question is whether the the the people who can cut through it. Can. Find, a formula. To do that and change the status quo as SAS call I. It's changing whether they like it or not. how that's going to be done. I don't know, but they going so the question is whether you can allow. Try to get your get yourself in on. Trying to make some of those some of those changes, whether it's transparency, whether it is a mentality deal because I. Think for bet a lot of it. Was this this this very aggressive mentality goes beyond. It almost seems to revel. In that particular approach as opposed to just we we. We've just got to try to go out and do our jobs. We'll give you the show rap what else you might have missed in today's show? Joe Friedberg helped analyze the changes to the chargers. Themselves had a couple of interesting things to say about that. We'll give you. The highlights there the fan. It's the bumper-to-bumper show rap. Our guest today Joe Friedberg joined at about four o'clock. The mentioned Bob Bennett who joins us at four thirty. Hold the civil attorney. Dr Bill Maurice Male Clinic made a return appearance on the program for the first time in a couple of weeks and gave us a nice primer on where we are regarding. Covert Nineteen! and. Kessler got me going rather than the other way around. When he joined us at five thirty as well, we thank each and every one of our guests on today's show for the moment I think we're wide open tomorrow. We expect that probably to change. We may dare. We open the Dr Hans Inbox. We've of held off on it. You try. I think we can try. Let's see evening goes and what breaks tomorrow? But I think it might be an inbox day. We'll see. Exactly how we feel and what new developments! Might indeed. Be Out there, but I think that'll work Joe Friedberg along believe this is a second degree murder case. And He's still he doesn't believe third degree makes any sense at all. Others disagree with that. But he has been consistent in that regard of saying that this should be second degree. And then he believed it was. Not really all that possible to charge the other officers with aiding and abetting. If you're a charge against the main officer in this case, child is third degree, so it does get moved up to second as he. Expected it needed to. And the he offered up commentary on that as well. He continues to try to agitate regarding the issue. Of Change of venue, I'll be stunned. If. There's a change of venue in this case, but he's illegal guy. His point was I don't know that he felt going to happen, but he felt like. There's GonNa, be a case made all for sure for sure, and that's going to be an interesting battle as well. and. Back, he's probably right about that. 'cause usually right about most of the stuff. He was right ellison, should be. was going to be promoted to being in charge of the case, which the governor said I still wonder if he was talk if he called think he called me first, then the governor or the governor first and then me he was hinting to me. Yeah Saturday that if you. If you're not a dummy, you pick up on I'm kind of greasing the wheels on this governor governor. I talk tomorrow. He's going to announce tacky talk more than the campaign. It's possible. He's a lawyer he's got. He's got to keep that stuff. Close to the vest if he's got a lot lawyer client. Attorney client privilege. That's true the governor. He can't admit that to anybody else. They're just friends. If they just text and talk more people know there's no privilege there now. Yeah, well, then. Yeah, but then he could tell us. Oh, I'm saying the privilege might be why he wouldn't WanNa flat out. Say Well Yeah Governors talked. I said this is what you should do. This is what you should do. Joe Re Very. Adamant about reminding us of how he was. In a couple of cases here and he was in gotTa. Give credit to absolutely got to give them credit. He's been great. We've got a monitoring three of the last five days. And he's been very good on all of that, so it'll be assumed the best of podcast with pieces of each. Of Our several guests today as well and maybe a little more department tomorrow given that there seems to be greater momentum. There might even be an announcement tomorrow, but the National Basketball Association because the. Boys, tomorrow. Early afternoon to to sign off officially on. An game regular season. Well what's left of the regular? Play. We don't get to play because we're not in the. How many do we say twenty two? Yes. Total that the number of yes, that's right born out on them and we're not one of them. We're not even. Close to that be honest, so in any case we'll about tomorrow. Maybe we'll get drew. brees is in the meat grinder now he is. Did he try to double down on. What he said originally or is, he is now. There's a number players including any teammates in a couple of cases. They're going after him. Yes, your Guy Vic Fangio. Yes apology has been accepted as you're. GonNa have to resign I. Don't think he's GonNa. have to resign and drew. brees changed it I. Mean Nobody Even Remembers Vic Fangio now because tough. And Not so coincidentally, your Guy Aaron Rodgers. That, he fire back. No, but in Iraj. Fashion put out a wonderful statement about unity, and this is why we locked arms, and the exact opposite of what drew brees said. There's no way that's. A COINCIDENCE! It's all part of the that's. Great, state, good stay on your, since obviously be more well received than drew brees the other so we'll get into all that controversy tomorrow as well or try to maybe even make some effort I've been thinking about Chris Carter a little bit lately, too. And we've had some good success with him, so maybe we could try to to put him in the mix, so I appreciate your listening today. Tonight I assume it's fan and a man, and it's Wednesday night, so it's Dan Patrick correct. Yes, that'll be tonight and we're back with you tomorrow. Beginning at three o'clock, we'll talk then. Way, never.
Prosecutors charge 3 more officers in George Floyds murder.
"Coming up on five minute news. Prosecutors charged three more offices in George Floyd's mudder. US assessment finds a Tunis drive protests violence. And renewable surpass coal in US energy generation. It's Thursday June full. I'm Anthony Davis. Prosecutors on Wednesday filed a tougher charge against the police officer at the center of the George Floyd case, and charged three other officers, delivering victory to protesters' galvanized by death that roused racial tensions, an unleashed coast to coast unrest. The most serious charge was filed against Derek Joven who was caught on video, pressing his knee to Floyd's neck and now must defend himself against an. An accusation of second degree murder, the three other officers at the scene Thomas Lane j King and two thou- with charged for the first time with aiding and abetting second degree, murder and second degree manslaughter. The new charges were sought after Minnesota Attorney, General. Keith Allison who called the protests unleashed by the death, dramatic and necessary said Floyd should be here and he is not. He's had value, and we will seek justice, said Ellison, who cautioned that winning convictions would be hard, and said that public pressure had no bearing on his decisions. Benjamin crump, an attorney for Floyd's family called it a bittersweet moment and a significant step forward on the roads to justice. crump said Ellison had told the family he would continue his investigation into Floyd's death and upgrade the charge to first degree murder, if warranted. Show was initially charged with third degree, murder and second degree manslaughter. A move powerfully punctuated with an unprecedented week in modern American. History, in which largely peaceful protests took place in communities of all sizes, but were rocked by bouts of violence, working class people stealing convenience store goods is deemed looting, but by contrast, the rich and corporations stealing billions of dollars during their class. War is considered good and necessary, public policy, aided and abetted by politicians in Washington. This looting is having a real world effect as half a billion people across the globe could be thrown into poverty and his forty three million Americans projected to lose their healthcare coverage America's billionaires saw their fortune saw by four hundred thirty four billion dollars during the US lockdown between mid March and mid May. Donald trump has blamed left-wing extremist groups for instigating nights of looting and violence in cities across the US, but an intelligence assessment offers limited evidence that organized extremists, a behind the turmoil in part of June I internal intelligence assessment of the protests US Department of Homeland Security officials said most of the violence appears to have been driven by opportunists. The assessment prepared by the department's Intelligence and Analysis Unit, said there was some evidence based on open source dhs reporting that the Anti Fascist Movement and Tampa may be contributing to the violence of you. Shed by some local police departments in public statements and interviews. The documents seen did not provide any specific evidence of extremist driven violence, but noted that white supremacists were working online to increase tensions between protesters and law enforcement by calling for acts of violence against both groups in the days that followed protests in several cities, descended into looting and clashes with police officers who are using a variety of weapons on protesters' trump has cast part of the blame. Blame for violence on ANTIFA which is not an organization, but rather an amorphous movement without to website or membership, the deposes authoritarianism as protests intensified over the weekend. US Attorney. General William Bar said violence in Minneapolis and other cities was being driven by far-left extremist groups, echoing comments. Trump had made earlier by those causing the violence with traveling to hot spots from out of state without elaborating further. To Justice Department. Officials said they had seen little evidence to support that claim. Solar, wind, and other renewable sources have toppled coal in energy generation in the United States for the first time in over one hundred thirty years with the coronavirus pandemic, accelerating a declining coal that has profound implications for the climate crisis. Not since would was the main source of American energy in the nineteenth century has a renewable resource been used more heavily than coal, but twenty-nine Seora historic reversal according to us. Government figures the I a forecast that renewables will eclipse coal as an electricity source this year. On the twenty first of May, the year hit, it's. The year hit its one hundredth day. In which renewables have been used more heavily than call. The ongoing collapse of coal would have been nearly unthinkable a decade ago when the fuel source accounted for nearly half of America's generated electricity, a rapid slump, since then has not been reversed despite the efforts of the trump administration, which is dismantled key Barack Obama climate rule to reduce emissions from coal plants and east restrictions that prevent corporations discharging mercury into the atmosphere and waste into streams. Coal releases more planet, warming carbon dioxide that other energy source with scientists warning its use must be rapidly phased out to achieve net zero emissions globally by twenty fifty and avoid the worst ravages of the climate crisis. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred podcast APP ask your smart speak at all. Enable five minute news as your Amazon. Alexa flash briefing skin. 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Life, Death and Redemption In An American Prison - Shaka Senghor
"Three years into grown up streets. I was stand on a corner of West out of Detroit. March Eighth Nineteen Ninety. When I was shot multiple times after I got shot, I went to the hospital. They extracted bullets left one of them. Bullets in still have to this day. Has Me up and within day was right back. Monday No one talks to me not a not a doctor, not a social worker, psychiatrists or psychologists. Emission kiani founder of Mine Valley the School for Human Transplantation. You're listening to the Minor League podcast where we'll be bringing you. The greatest teaches and thought leaders on the planet is the world's most powerful ideas and personal growth for mind body spirit. Fiber one and welcome to a special episode of the Mind Valley podcast while in quarantine now speaking quarantine. Many of us are stuck in homes. We've been here for about a month and it's starting to get. It's starting to give us some angst just getting patient about this. I thought it would be amazing today to bring onto a podcast. Someone who can truly talk. Talk about that feeling of isolation that feeling of helplessness, and to give some perspective on what we might be going through his name, Shaq Senghor, and here's the unique thing about shocker. He was just on Oprah new. Apple TV show on Kobe nineteen. You see shocker was imprisoned for nineteen years for second degree murder, and when he was put in prison in Michigan. He spent seven of those nineteen years in solitary confinement, four and a half years of that back to back imagining. With no way to get. With complete social isolation now to most people, it would break them now. Shock has adorned forest mass. He has now been released from prison, but his story has become truly powerful because he spoke about how even being in that sense of isolation, there is so much that we can do to heal ourselves to grow ourselves into a much stronger. This is why in two thousand Sixteen Oprah put him on her list of the top one hundred most inspiring soles on the planet, and I'm delighted to have CHAAKA SANKORP joining us today on the mind podcasts so shonka welcome to my valley. Almost had a really excited to be here. Now. You've being true some really crazy times. I want you to just share your story of how you ended up in prison. What has happened since you've been released because there's so many lessons there for everyone who's listening? In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six at the age of fourteen. I ran away from an abusive. I grew up with a household. Look like modern. Interpretation of back Middle Class Class America. Out of Detroit. And unfortunately, what was happening inside was toxic in so at fourteen at the Saturday of runaway I was on a roll Scottish`Students Wins Rings Dot. And when I ran away up, smile will take me in in me with love. I think all teenagers early. And unfortunately promise so quickly seduces approach her street, violence, drug trafficking, and something that I hadn't even imagined for my right when the six months of being an kosher I was robbed at gunpoint I was beaten nearly to death Italian Fran was murdered. And, yet I found myself still deeply insurance in coach. Three years into grown up in the streets I was stand on a corner of West Detroit March. Eighth Nineteen Ninety when I was shot multiple times after I got shot I went to the house today. Extracted twitter bullets left one of them bullets in just still to this day. Has Me up and within day right back Monday will. No one talks not a you know, not a doctor, not a social worker, not a psychiatrist or psychologist. In what I do, understand now is that I was. In high levels of. So when I got back to my neighborhood, I didn't feel safe to carry a gun sixteen months later. I found myself in a conflict. In I fired sisal tragedy caused them as that of subsequently arrested charged with second degree murder. and convicted sentenced to seventeen years in prison. I was one month on nineteen birthday when I was arrested. In so I spent nineteen years in total in prison Serono's anos years was in solitary confinement. Now, I love the context of your story because what I realized as I got to know you. Is! So often, we've created a situation where we look at someone who has done. A crime in your case second degree murder. And, we immediately assume that this is a malicious entity that needs to be locked away. For a good deal of time and kept away from other people, but we forget to see that this person is often not malicious, but that they were hurt, they were broken. They went through some crazy shit when they were young. There were no social safety nets. There was no way for you as a young black teen growing up in inner city, Detroit to be able to get access to mental health also support network and so. There's nothing doing to prevent these things, but we wait for someone to break, and then we lock them up and we perpetuate a cycle. Absolutely, and it's one of the reasons that recidivism rate is upwards of seventy percent in America which houses the most incredible people in the world, despite we're only make up five or Senator World Police, we house when he was sent of incarcerated people throughout the world, and you really start getting into the stories of how wind up in prison is one of the reasons I began to write about my experiences. I really wanted people to understand that story as easy to lock people up. Throw away the key. Key in Judge Zoom from the safety nets whatever parts we sit upon was a little more complex is actually dig into the kid. Go from on, arose scholarship student with dreams of being a doctor, certain most promising years in prison and I wanted to really pillows layers backing people, and I think right now what's going on? This is a perfect time for people to really have empathy in passionate, really understand the psychology of so many young people were up in these communities. For example, it were currently quarantine. They're losing I mean. It's really tough and there suffering anxiety. They don't know what's going to happen. They don't strange that they encounter is carry corona virus. fearful. Our movements has changed. The way to engage in react to people is exchanged. Now Imagine. Being fourteen years old where all around you're seeing high levels of gun violence, and you're not sure that any person encounter. Could potentially be the person that ends your life, and you become victim of gun violence in out. That goes to a whole. `nother level in this is your day to day reality so what we're experiencing now even within the safety of our home. This uncountable as it is, there's a whole segment of our society. That's extreme snus time with their kids. They don't feel safe in their own homes. Don't feel safe in their own communities because they feel like. Death or something, potentially harmful can happen to them every moment except Dur in yet. They're told her. They have to function as the wrestling world in the reality of the experiences. It's tragic and. I'm impressed by what you were able to go through. And how you will able to emerge from that as someone who had such a degree of self awareness that you were able to ask forgiveness. You were able to atone for the mistakes you made. But able to use that time in Sophie confinement to completely change your consciousness and become a new person. What would be some of the practices? Some of the tools of ideas that you would share. With. The billions of people around the world right now, who are not of course in the situation you were in bed are in quarantine at home. So there were three things that I discovered when I was a solitary, that became halfway forward in. They inspired that three very unique things that happen dohrmann cars racing it I call him on three of the miracles. I medical was I met some incredible mentors. These are men who are to die in prison. You just from old age of banff around, but these men saw something. Our redemption is Sonny. Challenge me. That gave me a credible books to read. The second miracle was received the letter forgiveness from the woman who raised a man whose life was responsible for taking. She wrote me this really powerful louder was when he meets with family remits her in how devastating. It was that they lost loved ones at the hammer gun by this within that. She told me that she gave me and I don't think the game. Guess she loved me. In the third things getting a letter from our son who was expressing is understanding of his mother's Santa Story me. Being imprisoned wireless was there. When I got that letter from our son, it was Kinda like a bribe. Yo started wrote the cameras back in terms of it's really opened me up in this very different way rows agency myself as full actualize human being. I made a commitment that if I was GONNA be in prison for the rest of my life or without get free and I had a responsibility to get. My son probably can be proud of. And again is Arnold I began to write. Because I had understand why I ended up prison, and at this time I was reading philosophy and I was reading socrates apology where he says the unexamined life isn't Salt went back up again. Examine. How do I go from? This kid was so much promise to serve most promising years in prison. And do that process I realized that I had internalized a narrative that belongs. To. Harm, being used me phasing that nature. And what I discovered the process that imposed on get back to society or I was going to emerge some side checking finance human being. Three steps that I had say. One I had acknowledged harm that caused and also had not as the harm that had been caused Sydney. Secondly a handsome apologize, asked hurt. Also had Kinda grants to my show for not being stronger in in more resilient and making better decisions, and then the third thing is that I had tunnel. And one I hadn't talked about community looted the right that I. was like to have meaning and purpose in the community that access at devastate our community, and then also had tolerant with myself and become whole again answer really imagine a different version of my so lead in solitary confinement with really put the work in. He'll made a commitment to cruise myself that I was reading committed to rhythm, right, dip league and the first thing I did. Is. A challenge myself to write a book in thirty days and I knew if I completed that thirty day journey of writing a book. On my life would never be the same and is proven to be true. How long were you in solitary confinement? How long were you in prison? Rather a foal Uganda south that challenge to write a book. This happened on about my second year of the longest four and a half year strengths of solitary, so it was around two thousand one so about ten years I've been in prison for about ten years when I decided to really shift. Into a higher purpose in reimagined a world of myself even within the confines of this horrible Bruegel. Environment I was GONNA find my like in one of the things that I realized through Germany that through. The pain of the moment. I can come out on the other side of this thing, and I made a commitment to go on a journey sacrifice of comfort of being stuck in in his narrative. That unfortunately normalized for batboys boys, growing up in inner city communities, and so for me, journaling in writing and being honest with myself. In Rossi most brutal way evokes the challenged to complete something because I realized I had never seen any while in. A road that first book in thirty days, and it changed my light in ways that are now super present in currently Chaka. Is that book that you wrote in thirty days? was that the one that went on to become a New York Times bestseller or the debt? Come later. The time bestseller actually wrote when I got out of prison. I see I just WanNa to read out the name. It's writing my wrongs, life death and redemption in an American prison. Yeah I started off writing fiction, and largely because I was so inspired by mid sorcery, and the way I got introduced to literature that environment was fiction was man me to Lafayette, political science in the allergy and other things up began a study, but fixing got star amazing amazing, so you would not just writing a book. You get this challenge. Write a book in thirty days. At the same time you will also generally. Yes okay now. I'd love you to paint a picture for us because I'm fascinated by how you came through, this was solitary confinement like for people who might not be familiar with what that looks like painted Joe. What this looks like you're getting human contact. What are you eating? What does that feel like this solitary confinement is very e r barrick in the sense that is minimal, human contact, the human contact Dixie. Do have isn't a nurturing loving caring. Tender human contact is strip. Is being handcuffed just to go out to the recreation yard, so that's the only time that you come into any physical contact with another person when officers are shackling you up to take you to the solitary wreck yard, which is basically a dog Kennel run, and when you get a shower three times a week allotted free showers in this little shower cage where they cuff me up at my door, walk down tear with at least like it was literally at least tacit handcuffs like I was wild animal, and then they will put me in this little sour case for five minutes or so three times a week sale was about six by nine very barren. Like sale nothing in there, but a plastic Dan Mattress on top of crease slapped a steel sort at saint combination a very narrow window that she can see out into the prison community so to speak, and then there was a window on the. Shutter that the officers control so they can cone decider. You can't see anything. They can open in the hallway. which is basically another sale door? Soda the human contact emerged ways around on the floor and talk under the door to each other in I've identified fighting through voice. In some instances we would talk through electrical socket to the men who were in sales lowest or above us, can on which share you're on, but human contact was very minimal. And so. The world that is. Why I mean it just seems so Bob Barrick brutal. Why. This actually really really. Angus me right now. I mean it just seems so ensue main that this type of justice system exist country like America. But I'm trying to understand this deeper. What do you think the design of this system hoped to achieve by putting? You in solitary confinement for four and a half years I mean I get traditional prison. Most of the world has traditional prison, but solitary confinement is something that is fairly unique to the American prison system. What do you think it's meant to do? Think, about within. Senate outcomes were. experience being imprisoned. I know how fortunate I am to be literate because literacy allow me to read books that help me understand exactly what environment was designed to do. And it isn't designed to help you become. A better person is actually designed to break down. Into, destroy a similar of your humanity as you have. Eyewitness men in that environment cut themselves or anything that they can get their hands on from staples out of magazines swallowing batteries. There was one man who was about to sales down from the US so oppressed by the officers in an environment based on the sanctuary. He set himself on fire in the sale. And the level of rationing environment is something that most people can't even Gansler match. You even think about the psychological effects, offsides points rapid ninety days rain against to break down, and we're seeing now with Ronald bias where people have been quarantined for about a month or so in. There's a real Mitchell begged. Starting to have people anxiety depression feelings of loneliness, the isolating billings, so you imagine that you're in a sale signs of most people's bathroom in its very loud environment obnoxiously horrible. Smells and took me years even develop empathy for the officers who working environment without realize that they were reacting as opposed to being proactive based on the environment that have been created wrong before they began work there so psychologically they were walking into an environment that damage them in their sense of understanding, and I mean there's experiments that show what happens to human beings. They're given absolute power over politics. And the other part of it is mental. Illness in prisons is something that we don't talk about enough and I can estimate. That at least eighty to ninety percent command I was around personally suffered some form of mental illness to some degree or another in because it's hard for assistance to acknowledge this onus without criminalising it, they end up further. Damaging people were already suffering so. Our prison system is rooted in enslavement of people were brought the source. The Thirteenth Amendment was supposed to end slavery, but there's a loophole in that amendment in Sanford you've been delete convicted of a crime. You can be subjects him volunteers, servants, who, and so as slavery began to dissipate, prison began to emerge in a lot of those barbaric practices carry over, and the reality is in America, because it impacts mostly poor people and people of Color. We have turned a blind eye to the suffering inside. It's so what I knew. Knew. That had a responsibility to do was to be a credible witness to what I had experienced once I gotta prisoners, one of the reason that I talked so breeding hopefully about my experience because I don't want America to sit in the comfort of not knowing what our tax dollars pay for was happened to currently to going for millions of our citizens, but it's upwards of twenty million people have been impacted by the system in some way shape form number, and I wanted to bear witness to that in a real way. I'm so glad that people like you speaking up when you were in solitary confinement, so you had access, so you said you were writing a book. What did that look like, were you given access to a laptop? Was Typewriter was at? Paper and a pencil. Is Solitaire. You don't have any access to any of those tools. They give you a very flimsy. Pianist almost like the inside of a regular ten. So you know that little pin that'll ink cartridge. That was about that flimsy and I would say that ten hour rolla paper. And I just wrote it up. Payments to the was nicer. Burn in our right on past. That was able to get restoring whenever I didn't have no pants. I would just write on paper I had pay out other books envelopes I just had to get story out transfer later by hand to another no pan and then once I got of sight. I took all those notepads in type them up into actually still have like all original writings on. She got out of solitary confinement, and you enter the regular prison system, which is also horrible, but that's where you did have access to a typewriter. Yob What my own site writer, and so I was able to use a little word processor economic, see thirteen or is at a time when A. Meticulously type of these books at handwritten freedom out in the retyping up so that I'll have two copies. Solid side were like hundreds of pages over the course of months where I got out of prison. I wrote about four books and I handled all of the not tight garland. moldable times just like make sure that my writings saved that I was sending home as soon as I got a chance type. Encased officers came in and when Strom, while and when you were in solitary confinement if you have access to books. You can order books in the library. oftentimes the books that you weren't winning come sometime, they would bring them. They'll bring substitute. It had money on your prison a car. You get orbison different outlets, and so whenever I got any money from my family I would just order books, and so I had so many books in prison in my cell there every day and officers will come rain myself and say hey. You GotTa send these books on and I was saying well. Why can't understand what the guys on sale? And they would say that's against policy. A prison rules so you know sometime I was sneaking. Give books away whenever they just rate in my room and did a search in the books they would take them and made me go with hearing. Have some home so is really interesting, because now some of the books that I have on my show crown books and I actually had imprisoned I. Margaret. It's frustrating to understand that human beings are doing this to other human beings, and that it's pop of a system. Why is it so hard to change the system I mean we're all aware that it's broken? Up in one of the reasons, missile her up until recently is, we didn't have any credible witnesses who could speak at volume with the type of elocution that allowed people from any background. Really understand how wrong the system is. You know I didn't talk. At says thirtieth anniversary in two thousand fourteen. And it was the first time this money where it actually been convicted of a crime is seriously having convicted speaking on that type of platform in that salk began to find its way to politicians, and you know the ability to speak to these things and being proximity. Of course you have incredible people like Brian Stevenson working with people on death row to get them free in in bringing people in proximity to that experience and I think even social media platforms platforms like this have allow our wasted should not be suffocated. For decades there was this China fear based monitoring of we have to be on tough on crime in order to be saved, but reality has improved to be the complete opposite, and so this has been a group of us. Many organizations you know as doing incredible work that not only are redoing the word we actually found the stories and people are now owning their stories inability to express in a way that is not niable, and I think that those things have helped this ship narrative some, but some I mean the war on drugs campaign was probably one of the most successful marketing campaigns in history and the. The reality is you know the education level of the prison population is about average reading levels, third grade, and so to get credible witnesses audet. Barney was being difficult, because not as many can write and articulating aniline Ribian fortunately myself I was fired by great writers who were imprisoned getting in stories on smuggling altitude. We kept slugging it out, and so when I got released. I just knew I had a responsibility to keep that energy wants to tell stories, and now Santa Semper the Bernstein in history where we have bipartisan agreement, our criticism is complete flaws in is for different reasons. Some people care year by. Cost so much. The cost you know and then other people just recognize as morally wrong. But for me. It doesn't matter how arrive at the rights includes along as they get there. And so my job is to help. You really seated. Truth of are you of? A system such as ours mazing I loved that there's so much hope that the system can be transformed now I wanna get advice on this. You will famous medium article on how to survive by `isolation. What would be your biggest tips for the people around the world right now? Who are isolated in their hopes? Are So. Here's the by things that I. Think would be really helpful. People navigating corn chain right now. One is generally a update that such important gifts to give to your yourself in a way that they were committed. Allow me to see myself. Clearly I saw his meditation on paper. Allow me to express my anxiety irrelevant body. The second thing is I said a real go not big that this is a great opportunity. People ever imagine writing a book or innocence project to really take the opportunity to spend. Spend some time working on that with me, I just made a commitment into right back as a day in thirty days, I had my first book and slow the third thing I would say is writing letters, you know we have a lot of people in our community who don't use technology lot of elders, and it's really important for them to receive letters, but also it gives us a real free in healthy space to express what we are going through in a meaningful way, the fifth thing how y'all. Cooking more I've been done a lot of cooking, not that that idea actually doing something to serve yourself into treats us Kindness I think those are some really good so soon. Sure that you're getting the word healthy, and how have not as the things that you're experiencing in your feelings, never ballot You don't have to compare them to the extreme in Dan prison. Just that this feels uncomfortable right now you're GonNa, fifth thing the fifth and final thing will be going back to school and what I mean by. That is not actually enrolled in school in. In accumulating more student debt, but really taken out somebody to learn one of those days to always thought you wanted to learn about for me I wanNA. Learn how to play good tire so I've been looking at lessons. Online is easily accessible, and it just allows me to get out of the normal way of thinking about the ancient of quarantine in really been present among life, so those are things that I think would be really. For you to get through quantum. Amazing Shock. Thank you so much I really enjoyed this conversation and I know a lot of people who are listening are going to. Really you give people hope. And you make people put things in perspective. No matter how annoyed we might not with the quarantine where in they'll millions of people in the world today. In America alone. That's going through worse, so thank you so much for sharing your risk. And for all of you, WANNA learn more about shock. He has an amazing website. Check out his book. May Book Messa Speaker. If you're looking for a great speaker and you can find that on shock housing horror dot com now let me spell it out to you. It is shock on S.. H., Aka Sankor S. E. N. G. H., O., R. Dot. COM shuck housing Hor. Dot Com Shaikha for the mine. Valley audience. Is there anything we can do for you to help? Support you with your mission I think the one thing I would like for the mind. The audience to do is to really think about the men and women who are currently incarcerated. They are in the most vulnerable position, not anybody in the country right in a world because they don't have the opportunity, socially distance or distance themselves, and so they're really. We're really sitting on a humanitarian crisis. Time bomb it. We don't act now with intention and the integrity when. When it needs to be humorous raiders, thing you can do is reach out to people when prisons and jails your violates nudity. See how you can help. Weather's getting masks inside whether it's getting hygiene kits aside talked to the governor to encourage them to capacity release people safely back to the community so that they don't have to be subjected to potential contraction of arrives sneddon viral. Thank you so much, folks. Thank you for listening. GO TO SHOCK! Senghor, DOT, com! Don't forget to leave us a review of the mind, body podcast and I'll see you next week. 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NPR News: 01-18-2019 7AM ET
"Support for NPR comes from the ups store, offering services from shredding to printing mailbox and instead of closing this holiday. The UPS store is doing another ING altogether. Opening the ups store every thing for small business. And of course shipping. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm korva Coleman online news site. Buzzfeed reports that President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen told the special counsel that Trump instructed him to lie to congress. The report which NPR has not confirmed says that Trump wanted Cohen to conceal from lawmakers Trump's involvement in a Moscow real estate deal. Former FBI agent Clint watts says this is different from election. Interference allegations, valid balls one branch of government, essentially, undermining another branch of government. This is different from everything we saw up in in terms of Russian collusion and election at a Feerick. Terms of -struction. This is a very current sort of thing that just happened recently. So I think it could put the president a very dangerous position in bay change some people's view in congress of how to handle this maybe with impeachment. This is you know, helping someone or encouraging someone to lie to try and avoid the truth with regards to congress. That could change people's opinion. He spoke to NPR's morning edition of former Chicago police officer convicted of murdering a black teenager will be sentenced later today. NPR Cheryl corley reports Jason Van Dyke could face years in prison for the twenty fourteen shooting. A jury found Jason Van Dyke guilty of second degree murder and sixteen counts of aggravated battery in large part because of a video which showed him shooting seventeen year old. The McDonald sixteen times the second degree murder conviction could bring a sentence ranging from probation to twenty years and aggravated battery a mandatory minimum of six years. Community activist William Callaway fought for the release of the video and helps Van Dyke gets a long sentence. We don't low him to give probation for the second degree murder. Ali's has been arrested like me, I'm BAAs yesterday. A judge acquitted three other Chicago police officers charged with trying to cover up the shooting to protect Van Dyke. Cheryl, corley NPR news show. Chicago. Iran is calling on the FBI to release an American born journalist who works for Enron and broadcaster as NPR's Danielle and Czeslaw reports she is doing court today in Washington on unspecified charges. Marzia Hashemi is an anchor for the English language. State media Press TV in Iran. She was born Melanie Franklin in New Orleans and converted to Islam. She is fifty nine her son Hossein Hashemi says his mother was unrooted Denver when she was detained at Lambert international airport in Saint Louis, he told me he believes she is being held as a material witness. But he doesn't know why. There weren't any charges that were mentioned at that time or after that, but she is currently in prison. She has an inmate number she behind bars, the FBI the department of Justice and Saint Louis police declined to comment Danielle has low NPR news, Washington. You're listening to NPR news from Washington. Atop North Korean diplomat is in Washington to meet with secretary of state. Mike Pompeo, Kim Young troll. Could also go to the White House to meet President Trump. The visit is intended to lay groundwork for a potential second summit between Trump and North Korean leader, Kim Jong UN neither the US nor North Korea have confirmed the diplomats trip. The African Union is urging Democratic Republic of Congo to delay announcing the final results of the disputed presidential election. NPR's feB Quist arcton reports the AU says it has serious doubts about the integrity of provisional results. An unusually strongly-worded is has been from the African Union expresses deep concern about the accuracy of Congo's presidential vote outcome of vigorous. A you statement is calling on the election commission to suspend declaring the final results. Provisional returns gave victory to position leader finished. She say Katie a move contested by another opposition front front Amata. You fight you knew alleges vote fraud. And says she's the outgoing President Joseph Kabila have made a deal for you knew has taken his legal challenge to Congo's constitutional court in an apparent move to stave off more, political, instability and possible violence, the African Union says hold fire while it dispatches, a high level delegation to Congo. Ofeibea Quist arcton NPR news Johannesburg, there's a total lunar eclipse coming late on Sunday night, the best viewing. We'll be close to midnight on the east coast. The site space dot com says the eclipse will last about an hour. There is an added feature the moon is at one of its closest points to the earth. So the super moon will look bigger than ever. You're listening to NPR.
NPR News: 06-03-2020 6PM ET
"Live from NPR news. I'm Jack Speer Minnesota. Prosecutors are upgrading charges against Derek Chevette the Minneapolis police officers seen kneeling on George Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes for the unarmed black man stops moving state attorney general Keith Ellison. Charging Shaaban with second degree murder, three other former officers and are being charged with aiding and abetting murder, ellison, referencing horrific video. Floyd's final moments led the global protests it. We're here today because. George Floyd is not here. You should be here. You should be alive, but he's not. About nine days ago, the world watched floyd. Or is very last words. I can't breathe as he pled for his life. Heard Floyd call out for his Mama and cried out. Don't kill me. Shoveling still faces. The charges brought against him last week, third degree, murder and second degree manslaughter. The other officers had not been charged. Allison is recommending bill for each of the officers be set at a million dollars defense secretary Mark Asper says he opposes using the US military to deal with law enforcement matters amid the current nationwide unrest, those comments putting him at odds with recent remarks by President Trump. Here's NPR's Greg Mari. Speaking at the Pentagon Defense Secretary Espera called George Floyd's death, a horrible crime and he also distanced himself from statements by president trump trump said he's considering calling on the military to put down the violence that's broken out following Floyd's death. However, experts said deploying the military should be done only in the most dire circumstances, any opposes such a move at present, the option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort. Some active duty troops have been sent to the washington-area in recent days, but they remain on military bases outside the city. Greg Mary NPR news. New, York, city is preparing for another possible night of protests to the George Floyd, killing embarrass Honda Delong reports officials say nightly. Eight PM Eastern time curfew will continue through the end of the weekend near Governor, Andrew Cuomo is praising the New York City Police Department for its response, a peaceful protests on Tuesday night after criticizing PD for not doing more to stop looting earlier this week last night was a much much better night than the night before the Associated Press reports nypd. Officer shoved to its journalists covering Tuesday's protests ordering them to go home despite. Despite exemptions that allow the press report past the citywide curfew. Some demonstrators and your city officials are calling for funding for police to be redirected towards social services for communities of Color New York. City Mayor Bill De. Blasio says he does not think that's the way forward on PR. News New York. The private sector jobs report shows the economy losing another two point eight million jobs last month it was better than April's number. Sparking a rally on Wall Street government numbers come out Friday the Dow was up five hundred twenty seven points. You're listening to NPR. Italy, the first Western country hit by the coronavirus pandemic today became the first European country to fully open its international borders present, pure Sylvia Petrole reports. The move was not met with represented by its European Union partners Rome's international airport stir to life again today. After three months of lockdown, it was scheduled to handle a few thousand passengers compared to one hundred and ten thousand the same day last year, when tourism went into full gear, Italy dropped fourteen day quarantine requirement for foreign arrivals, but it's e you. Partners are not doing the same Austrian Switzerland are maintaining border checks with Italy Italy also lifted the domestic ban on interregional travel. Travel, but officials in some southern regions less affected by the virus worry travelers from the north hardest hit by the pandemic could inadvertedly spread contagion so POHJOLA NPR news row atlanta-based Delta Airlines says it intends to extend social distancing on all of its flights through the end of September carrier, says that means it will block selection of middle seats while also capping the number of people in every cabin nearline, hoping to keep its flights roughly sixty percent full through at least July and adding more flights, a schedules demand if when larger numbers of people resume traveling ghost in partic events, travelers worried about cove nineteen to return to the skies. Curto futures prices ended the session little changed oil, ending the day down or add rather thirty-six eighty-six, a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. I'm Jackie Speier NPR news.
Jan 7, 2020
"Hello and welcome to sword and scaled daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Tuesday January seventh and and this is your daily true crime report coming up on sort. In scale daily. A Minnesota man was charged with second degree murder after allegedly Lee shooting a woman multiple times because she honked her horn and yelled at him to hurry up in Oklahoma a thirty year old man and his seventeen year old girlfriend and are both facing charges in the murder of seventeen year old. Kirsten Patterson the victim and the suspects reportedly knew one another and the motive for the alleged murder. Senator is said to have been revenge for Sexually Transmitted Infections and finally in Massachusetts and our professors accused of attacking a longtime mm time friend and colleague with a Rock Garden Shears and a fire poker reportedly because of unrequited romantic feelings towards the victim. It's all this and more coming up on. Sword and scale daily taste in the Star Tribune reports sports that on Friday fifty six year old Angela Borresen of Badger Minnesota was charged with second degree murder and second degree assault in the death of fifty one year old job. Angela win on January first. Boris and called nine one one telling the dispatcher. I shot her. When officers arrived at the the scene they found a dark-colored mini van parked in front of the House? On the ground near the driver's side door were glass shards and three empty shotgun shells. Dell's investigators also found a firearm near the entryway to the home. According to court records boers and told officers. The win had driven over to help him get gas for his car but she arrived before he was ready to leave and started honking her horn and yelling at him to hurry up Bergersen stated he grabbed a loaded shotgun went outside and waved it at the seated win because he wanted her to go away he told a police he had not intended for the gun to go off but then admitted it fired several shots at the driver's side window Angelo abortions bail a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars and his next court. Appearance is scheduled for March sixteenth. Our next story takes takes us to show to- Oklahoma where Maize County Sheriff's Deputies Arrested Thirty Year Old Andrew John Hall and his seventeen year old girlfriend Cheyenne faith blaylock blalock and charged them with the first degree murder of seventeen year old. Kirsten Patterson Kirsten Patterson was reported missing early early on New Year's Day deputies located her body around three. PM The same day near the neo show river not far from the Spring Creek recreational recreational area. She had been shot in the head on Thursday. The suspects hall and Blaylock were arrested. Both suspects were known to the victim. Who went to the same high school as blaylock? According to court documents during questioning the suspects placed themselves at the scene of the crime the pointing the finger at one another regarding who planned and carried out the murder based on the probable cause affidavit Shan Blalock told investigators that Andrew Hall frequently talked about wanting to kill Patterson Paul allegedly wanted payback for a sexually transmitted committed disease. He claimed Patterson had passed onto him according to blaylock. Paul disgust several ways to kill Patterson then on New Year's. Here's Day he had blaylock. Call Patterson to say hall would pick her up for a drive hall then told Blaylock to hide under a blanket in the back of his car. After Picking Patterson up Paul drove to the river's edge blaylock claims she did not witness the murder but heard two shots then. She came out from under the blanket to check of Patterson was dead and touched her cold body. According to Blaylock Hall then Poured Bleach on Kirsten's body to try and destroy evidence and then pushed the body into the water. However Paul's version of events is different hall told investigators that was blaylock? who had been an angry with Kirsten Patterson because of the purported STD and because of problems at school she made the plan to pick Patterson up and hide under the blanket armed with two knives? Paul stated that he went along with the plan because he was afraid that blalock would hurt him otherwise and because he did not realize blalock plan to kill Patterson he thought she was only planning to assault her when they arrived at the river's edge Paul says blaylock grabbed a loaded loaded hunting rifle. He kept in his truck and shot Patterson he stated it was blaylock who then pushed her into the river then. According according to both sets of x versions Andrew Hall took the murder weapon home and hid under his bed following Thursday's arrests Maze County. Sheriff Araf Mike Reid told news on six quote be very careful who you hang out with and who you run around with because it can make a difference. I promise you your parents would rather get up at one in the morning and give you a ride home then. Something detrimental happen to you. Hall in blocks. Bail amounts are set at one million dollars dollars each their next court. Appearance will be on January ninth after the break in our our professor attacked a longtime colleague and friend at her home beating her with multiple implements and declaring her unrequited love for the victim. Hey I just wanted to ask how many of you have credit cards. I'm sure that most of you have at least one if so you know. 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At Mount Holyoke Leo College was arrested on December twenty fourth in charged with armed assault to murder a person over sixty and three counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. been these charges are in connection with the December twenty third attack on another professor at the college with whom she'd been friendly with for fourteen years. Prosecutors say that reappeared on the victims doorstep unannounced at ten pm on the night of December twenty third the victim invited her inside ride and when her back was turned she was hit over the head. With something hard rea- then continued to beat the victim with items found around the house. uh-huh according to the criminal complaint. Taking on the night of the incident the victims glasses were knocked off but she's still saw rea- attacker with multiple implements including your fist rox guarding clippers and what was also described as a fire poker during the attack. The victim asked Ria why this this was happening to which per the complain. She replied quote the she had loved her for a long time and that she should have known the complaint goes on to say that quote in an effort to appear sympathetic to her attacker. She reported that she lied and told Miss Hockey doggy. Does she really did love her. This stopped the attack and allow the victim to talk rea- into calling nine one one Ria told dispatch the she'd come to a friend's house and found her beaten eaten and barely breathing. When the first officers arrived at the scene they found the suspect lying on the floor with the victim retold officers when she arrived to quote there were significant signs of a struggle inside the residence but she found the victim on the floor in a pool of blood semi conscious and the victim told her she'd been then attacked by an unknown person when investigators asked her why she'd been at the House Rea- told them that she in the victim had run into each other on campus earlier that day and made plans to meet that evening? Although the victim did not suffer life threatening injuries she was badly beaten sustaining multiple fractures to the bones around her is it knows and she was taken to a local hospital. The victim did not initially identify Ria as her salient to the investigators which she later explained blamed was because she was afraid that Ria may return to harm her or burn her house down however later that night investigators went to the hospital spital to ask the victim additional questions about the incident at which point she admitted the rea- had attacked her when asked whether they had the plan to meet that night quote. The victim was adamant that she did not make plans with Mrs Hockey UNAGI. The victim stated that Ria arrived unannounced const- and told the victim that she was there because quote. She really missed her and wanted to talk to her about her feelings. The victim was also adamant that that she andrea had been friendly for many years but were never romantically involved in fact. This was the first time that rhea had come to her home. Home Police arrested. Rea- Hachi Unagi at home the following morning when she was arrested the victims glasses keys and cell phone loan were on her person. According to her faculty webpage Hachi. Naw Gi is an artist and scholar who works in the medium of traditional Japanese handmade paper birther. The college has announced that Ria is on administrative leave and is not allowed back on campus. In addition to armed assault to murder and three counts of assault and battery with dangerous weapon. RIA is also charged with one. Count of mayhem and one count of armed assault in dwelling. She's been ordered ordered to be held without bail and tell her next court hearing on February fourth before we go we have an update it on the investigation into the murder of twenty seven year old. Kevin Bacon of Swartz Creek Michigan. I want to be up front with the right now. The details were about to present. AH GRAPHIC and may not be suitable for younger audiences Kevin Bacon the hairstyles and psychology student. Went Missing on December twenty fourth forth after meeting up with a man from dating APP grinder. He was reported missing the next day when he failed to show for Christmas morning breakfast with his family his body was discovered four days. Later inside the home of Markle Ton Sqi and Bennington Township Lewinsky has since been charged with murder and mutilation. Listen in the case on Monday. The Flint Journal Michigan Live obtained court documents from the probable cause hearing for Mark Lewinsky the suspect suspect and Bacon's murderer. They reveal gruesome details of the alleged murderer. According to these documents on December Twenty Eighth Michigan State police were asked to assist local police and performing a wellness. Check on Kevin Bacon Allerton Skis House. When they entered the home? Officer saw Kevin's Kevin's body hanging head down from the ceiling. Rafters Lonski let police search house and agreed to an interview during this interview. Lewinsky Lewinsky admitted to killing Kevin by stabbing him in the back and then slitting his throat he stated but he then tied a rope around Kevin's ankles and how his body from the rafters. He further admitted to cutting off the victim's genitals with a knife and later consuming them mark. Taneski has a long documented even in history of mental illness. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia. And a possible personality disorder in two thousand ten. He was known to stop taking his prescribed. Described Medications Michigan live interview. Jamie Arnold donkeys estranged husband. Three Years Jamie said that. He was not aware aware of Mark's mental illness until July of two thousand nineteen when marksman four days in jail for non payment of child support after July lattanzio mental state became evident and Jamie cannot force them to see a therapist or taking medications. He left mark in September and was not living with him. Doc Jamie told Michigan live quote. In hindsight it's easy to sit back and speculate but at the same time you're going through it. There are emotions and feelings involved. You don't want to think that. The person who fell in love with is a homicidal maniac. The victim's relatives have voiced concerns. Turns that mark will use his history of mental illness to avoid full punishment. Karl Bacon told the journal quote. He has used the mental illness card to to get up situations in the past and he's attempting to do it again. That's for today. We'll see you tomorrow until then stay safe leaked In a the soared and scale daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by garb Iraq executive producer. Mike Boo Day. If you like the show subscribe and leave us a review. If you'd like to write us with feedback or suggestions use the email address daily at Sword scale dot com talk
Dec 25, 2019
"Hello and welcome to sword and scale daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Wednesday December twenty fifth. And this. This is your Christmas Day. True Crime report coming up on sort and scale daily. A Texas teen is charged with capital murder after allegedly murdering ordering his eight months pregnant sister in staging. The death Qassim like a suicide New Mexico. Team pleaded guilty to second degree murder for for fatally shooting at twenty five year. Old Man during an attempted robbery and was sentenced to a mere thirty days in jail. Finally in Ohio woman is facing being multiple charges after December ninth des Moines area crime spree over the course of the day. The suspect allegedly intentionally hit a fourteen year old girl with her vehicle vehicle attempted to run over a twelve year old boy and finally accosted a convenience store clerk and his customers. Investigators say the suspect told them she ran over the a girl because she was quote Mexican. All this and more coming up on sort and scaled daily CBS Dallas reported. Good that police. In the colony Texas have arrested nineteen year old Eduardo follow and charged him with capital murder and tampering with evidence for allegedly murdering his twenty three year. Old Sister Brady on Arevalo on Monday December Sixteenth Brady on our of follow was eight months pregnant when she was killed. Britiannia was reported missing by her boyfriend on December seventeenth after she fell to return home after a visit to her family's house she had a past history streep depression and the discovery of quote suicide note and the Arevalo family home pointing toward the possibility of self harm however family members told. CBS Dallas that radio has depression had lifted in the final months before her death and she was looking forward to the birth of her daughter on Sunday. December twenty second variety on his body was discovered in an alley near the family's home and authorities. Say Video surveillance footage pointing towards Eduardo. As the main suspect at Wardha was picked up on Sunday night and police say he admitted to murdering his sister hiding hiding her body in a field and then returning to the field on Sunday morning to retrieve her body and leave it in an alley close to the family home. The reason for the murder. The arrest affidavit was quote an ongoing conflict in the family caused by variety on his mental health conditions. According to the Affidavit Eduardo told police that he returned to the family home on Monday morning and they got into a heated argument with variety. Yana they were alone in the house he he went to his room and reportedly thought. Maybe it's the time to murder her. He told police he then snuck back to the living room where his sister was sitting on the couch with her back to him. And he put her in a chokehold when she lost consciousness. According to the arrest affidavit he covered her head with duct tape before putting her body in the trunk of his car and driving it about an hour away where he left the remains in a field on Sunday Eduardo Return to the field and retrieve variety on his body. Gordo also reportedly confessed to fabricating the suicide note Sergeant. Aaron Woodward with the Call Police Department told. CBS News Dallas quote quote. The only reason he gave for killing her was that she was an embarrassment to the family. And he stated it would be better off if he wasn't there however her some family members refused to believe that Edward was involved in the crime in spite of the reported confession. Diego follow the older brother brother of Edouardo and variety ANA toll. CBS News Dallas quote. I know my brother. He wouldn't do something like this. He's a very kind very positive. Visited kind of guy very motivated. He helped my family out. He helps my brothers he even helped my sister. Diego Arevalo also told. NBC News Quote. It doesn't make sense that my brother would do something like this. He was either set up or something happened Eduardo. Our follow hello is still awaiting his first hearing in front of a judge and is being held without bail until then our next story takes us to a New Mexico the Albuquerque Journal reports that on Thursday. Seventeen year olds Santiago are. Mio was sentenced to thirty days in prison after pleading. I'm guilty to the second degree murder of twenty five year old Larry Santiago during an attempted robbery the murder took place on March first around five. PM In Tower Pond Park the area was full of families and children. Witnesses saw de Santiago chasing after two teenage boys identified Adas Santiago Armenio and his accomplice Jeremiah de la Pena Di Santiago chased the boys up a hill and when he almost closed in on them our Armenio shot him and then was heard saying quote. This is what you get de. Santiago passed away in the hospital. Jeremiah de la Pena has also pleaded guilty but has not yet been sentenced at the sentencing hearing for Armenio. The prosecution argued for the maximum penalty. Saying that he showed disregard to human human life as evidence they provided text exchanges between the two teens from days before the murder discussing the plans to set up and rob someone and as well as his utterance after shooting Santiago the defense asked for leniency claiming that Armenia Shot D Santiago while in actual fear fear for his life de Santiago was much larger than the teenagers and had a criminal history. They also cited the way their client quote changed his life. After the crime enrolling in online classes working full-time and planning to join the army they also said at the time of the murder or MEA was under the bad influence of his friend. Jeremiah Dale Pena. Because Armenia was only fifteen at the time of the murder the maximum punishment would have been four for years in a juvenile detention facility. Judge Christina your. Mio told the court on Thursday that because four years is the hardest punishment at her disposal. Zoll she has decided to err on the side of leniency. Four years in therapy will provide Armenia with a better chance of reforming than four years in jail. She she said quote. I just sent somebody yesterday to fifteen years in prison for shooting after a disagreement. It doesn't bother me to do that. But the laws are limited. And if I only have four years left I would rather you have four years in treatment. So that when you are an adult you can be an asset to this community rather than a drag on this community addressing the victim's relatives judge. Your Mayo said quote. I can only do so much but whatever I do it will not bring back Larry. It will not heal all your hearts or the whole that it's left in your hearts. There's nothing I can say or do that will help that. Your mio sentenced Armenio to thirty days in custody in unsupervised probation until he turns twenty one as part of his sentence or meal is required to visit high schools to speak about his crime and its effects Desanta goes relatives called the verdict. A slap in the face and his sister told the journal quote. It devalues human life and allowed our younger generation generation to see that. It's okay to commit a crime because they will not be held accountable for their actions anyway. It also demonstrated why this generation is Acting out in our community the way they do. And that's because our juvenile laws in the state cater to them after the break a a woman in Iowa is facing multiple charges including attempted murder after December ninth seemingly race motivated crime spree Hey I just I wanted to ask how many of you have credit cards. I'm sure that most of you have at least one. 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VISIT LIGHT STRING DOT com slash scale for more information now for our final story the Des Moines Register reports that forty two year old Iowa woman Nicole pull Franklin has been charged in connection with two intentional hit and runs and racist assault on a convenience store clerk all of which allegedly took place within in a span of a couple of hours on the afternoon of December ninth on Friday police and Clive a suburb of Des Moines announced. The Franklin is facing attempted murder charges for allegedly intentionally hitting a fourteen year old girl with her SUV before fleeing the scene the teenager was struck around five pm while walking to her school for a basketball game. She suffered a concussion and severe bruising and spent two days in the hospital using using witness descriptions. Investigators managed to identify the suspect and take her in for questioning per the clive. Police Department Franklin told officers officers. She intentionally hit the girl quote because she's Mexican and made other derogatory statements about Latinos during the interview on Monday the Des Moines Police Department informed the public that Nicole pull Franklin is also charged with a second hit and run. That happened around four PM that afternoon noon. In our before the other teenager was hit witnesses told investigators they saw Carleen. The road travel on the sidewalk and hit a twelve year old boy at a demo. An apartment complex the vehicle was seen accelerating before driving on the sidewalk. No motive for the attack is known but the victim. Kim Who suffered minor injuries was African. American Franklin is also facing charges for an incident that happened on December ninth around five fifteen pm shortly after she allegedly hit the fourteen year. Old Girl surveillance video from inside a gas station shows Franklin spending more than twenty minutes during which she shoplifted ice cream through counter items at the convenience store clerk and yelled racial slurs at him repeatedly. Police were dispatched to the convenience store. Four and further report Franklin told them she was on drugs. They also stated that she was fidgety in people's were dilated consistent with substance abuse. A US court documents that were obtained by the register. Show that she smoked methamphetamine hours. Before hitting the fourteen year old victim. She was charged with assault salt in violation of individual rights public intoxication and theft. A trial date for these charges have already been set for February third. They hate crime charges being considered by the Polk County attorney. John Sarko he notes that hate crime. Charges are meant to enhance specific other charges such as arson criminal mischief and trespassing in the case of an attempted murder. It's not clear if the enhancement will infect the sentencing the desired way if Franklin was charged with both attempted murder and a hate crime. The jury may decide to compromise by dropping the attempted murder charge John Sarcoma Cohn told. CBS News quote. It may sound nice but it doesn't help anything. Franklin is currently being held on one million dollars cash. Bail will before we leave you. We have a short update Chad debacle and Laurie. Valo the married couple sought in connection with the disappearance disappearance of two children Joshua entirely have released a statement from the Rexburg attorney. Sean Barth Lick Barthel told the East Idaho news quote Chad Day. Bell was a loving husband and he has the support of his children in this matter. Laurie Bell is devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary very we look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved past speculation and rumour barth did not have any information about the location or the wellbeing of the missing children. seven-year-old Joshua Valo and seventeen year old Kylie Ryan have not been seen since late September relatives. Tips have accused Laurie. Valo of joining a colt with debacle a self published author of dozens of science fiction novels about the end of times and near death. Experiences dances the Daily Mail revealed on Tuesday morning that Chad Day bell was excommunicated from the Church of Latter Day. Saints this fall. That's it for today. Merry Christmas to you all. We'll see you tomorrow and until then stay safe. Yeah and sort and scale. Daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Hagar Barack executive producer. 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