36 Burst results for "Second Amendment"
The Dan Bongino Show
Tom Fitton: A Waste of 4 Hours to Testify in Front of FBI, Grand Jury
"Republican. No I know and the irony and why I wanted to have you on is I have some history with you and your group has gone after both Republicans and Democrats which is a thing good I mean for government corruption nobody should get a pass your group has a I mean it's it's it's by Lefties attacked as kind of a partisan operate but it's it's not and the irony is when you need them to turn around and do the right thing left -leaning groups like say the ACLU or the NAACP or someone like that to say hey listen you know this is this is kind of a step too far here in the wrong direction do you have a reason to be talking to Tom Fitton I mean he's done you know he's gone after people on both sides that's an anti -corruption group have you heard anything from that if they put out a statement saying oh my gosh this looks like a violation of civil liberties have you heard anything from any leftist group oh no no no I mean the usual suspects when when it became public I was testifying I didn't talk about it at the time but this is in early February you know the left mean he was celebrating writing you it know think oh Trump you know Tom is gonna turn on Trump and it's gonna be really big trouble and I went in there as I said on on Fox the other day it was like an MSNBC four for our struggle session they were arguing with me about matters of First Amendment policy for
Dennis Prager Podcasts
Fresh update on "second amendment" discussed on Dennis Prager Podcasts
"They all fit the modern demon rat party Neil is in prescott, arizona. Neil you're on the dennis prager show bob france sitting in fire away should lgbt Alphabet soup people like my brother that was gay allowed to own guns He did have a permit And it was interesting. He's also republican and didn't like this attitude That human rights have been bent around to make inhuman race Well, you're you're right to to a degree Let me address try to try to address all of that. Um, should should lbgt cube people be allowed to be armed Of course are the american citizens there's nothing in the second amendment that I see That says you have to be of a certain sexual orientation or be heterosexual or something to own gun. So, of course they can As far as human rights, um, yeah, you better believe, uh, we stand up for human rights and right now The only human rights that are under attack Are not those of the lgbtq community the human rights that are under attack right now are for Normalized not normalized. What am I saying normal? Straight people who don't give a rip who you want to go have sex with Normal people who recognize human biology and recognize that there are men and there are women and there is no third option normal human sexual Orientation which is what has led to every human being ever being produced a heterosexual union That does not mean you're anti -gay and it does not mean your anti -human rights The people whose rights are being taken away are the people who who just wish to be left alone And instead are being forced to celebrate with rainbows everywhere. They go i'll talk more about that after this bob franson for nev's So it's uh 17 minutes now before the top of the hour bob franson for denis on this friday Thanks for being with us. So I get a kick out of The suggestion Yeah Kind of like what I think the last caller who was a fairly obvious troll I was trying to ask you know, should gay people be allowed to have guns as if this is some sort of question And also to suggest that this is some sort of an anti -gay position that people who are against grooming of children take It is not as a matter of fact one of the organizations that I have an extraordinary amount of respect for Is a gay organization Called gays against groomers They're active they're in communities They're at school board meetings. They're at town town council meetings. They're all over the place Trying to say we're gay And we do not condone Bringing children to drag shows where sexualized dancing Of of hairy men or even shaven men in women's clothing Is pushed on kids. We do not condone and support Books that are either Literally meaning uh, uh in let me rephrase that not literally but pornographic literature and pornographic Depictions of gay sex are are in children's books and put on shelves in schools and in libraries Decorated with rainbows, which of course naturally draw kids attention, you know that right? That's why they chose the rainbow. I've talked about this before on denis's show That's why they chose the rainbow as their symbol. It's an easy way to draw kids attentions Their attention is drawn to the bright colors It's why every kindergarten classroom has always been decorated in bright colors even before this rainbow mafia came about because it draws kids It's just that you know back when we were in school back in you know In previous decades the rainbow that drew kids was a symbol of god's eternal covenant with man Now it means hey look at uh, look at us. We like to have Different types of sex than normal people do or hetero people do This is not about gays because gays against groomers doesn't like this stuff either They're on our side But I love it when they try to say that you know Well, you're violating human rights by by pushing these bills. I just played the clip of joe biden during the conversation with uh, Kyle rayes of joe biden saying, you know These evil bills are being pushed by these extremist legislators and targeting lgbt kids. No, they're not These bills are targeting lgbt kids only in the sense that They are trying to protect and save these kids from horrific horrific.
Mark Levin
Mark Meckler: How Convention of States Can Reform Federal Government
"Overreaching federal behemoth it's going to take structural reform to bring and how do we get structural reform to bring it back down to size well there are two uh option number one is we go to washington dc and we beg them to do it for us and i laugh i can't say that with a straight face because like they're human beings they don't have the incentive to make government smaller that's a painful and difficult thing to do and it doesn't line their pockets and it way is we use the second clause of article five we call a convention of states and we propose amendments that will effectively impose those restrictions on the federal government members of congress republicans of britain do you get many of them out there on the campaign trail when they're running for office or at all at press conferences so forth and say look i want spending to get under control i want to get the government out of control i want to shrink the government and so i support convention of states i don't hear a lot of that do you no very little of it mark in fact very few of them will weigh in i think uh you know they lack the courage to do it and the reason they lack the courage and it actually really drives me crazy is because there is a fringe on the that's right against the idea of calling a convention of states and when i say a fringe i want to be really blatant and direct about what i mean maybe
Mark Levin
Jamie Raskin: The 14th Amendment Not an Option, It Is an Imperative
"I want to show you what kind of a communist Jamie Raskin is He was bred from a communist father He was involved intimately in trying to remove Donald Trump fresh trying to prevent him from being sworn in as one of a handful of objectors on the floor of the House Then he worked both impeachment trials both Jamie rashkin who's a red And he's a liar And he's in the morning schmo show today and Joe Scarborough gives him a platform to lie and Joe Scarborough therefore is lying with him He knows damn well the Fourteenth Amendment is not an option Let's start cut 7 Go Well nobody seems to know but the positive development in my mind development in my mind is that on the democratic side people understand that the Fourteenth Amendment is not an option as people have been saying the Fourteenth Amendment is an imperative Now Fourteenth Amendment's not an option It's an imperative says Jamie Raskin This clown was teaching constitutional law at one point Which means he was teaching lies And there's nobody there to challenge him The Fourteenth Amendment provides no cover any more than the 13th of the 15th or any other amendment to the constitution The constitution was not amended to eviscerate the House of Representatives It's not an imperative It's a fantasy but the marxists don't care I've told you this a thousand times They will turn the constitution into a meaningless pretzel That's what they'll do They hate it from top to bottom Because you can not be A so called progressive AKA Marxist And support the American system You can not
Mark Levin
The Constitution Does Not Allow Democrats to Destroy Our Economy
"I am sick and damn tired Of the Democrats and the media and these fraudulent phony academicians telling us that the constitution allows the Democrats to destroy our economy when it gives them no such right Now I will ask you because you've been listening to this program many of you for years some of you from months but most of you for years Do you think the framers of the constitution even more do you think those who adopted the Fourteenth Amendment Both super majorities of the House and the Senate and the state legislatures Would have agreed to give a president the power to not only submit a budget but to fund the budget if Congress didn't get along it didn't go along with them That was that not asinine That's never been done in American history They can't find a single syllable that was uttered at the time either in Congress certainly not by the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment or the state ratification conventions not one person not one sentence nothing That supports their claim They take completely out of context half of a sentence in the Fourteenth Amendment In section four that has absolutely nothing to do with today's budget with today's debt with today's spending But the Democrats do not want to negotiate a reduction in spending This is how presidents in the past have avoided this situation But the Democrats today are more Marxist more radical than ever before in our history And they're saying you do it our way or attacking the economy
Mark Levin
The Truth About 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments Passed After Civil War
"The 13th 14th and 15th amendments were passed after the Civil War By the Republicans the Republican states they dealt with the aftermath of the Civil War Fourteenth Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the financing of the country And who has what power Some what is it now Let's see Most a 120 years later ended in 1865 While more than that my math here is not great 160 years almost But that said I would never states would never have ratified an amendment that would give the power To raise money to pay off debt to the president of the United States Ever And they didn't
AP News Radio
Michigan governor to sign red flag bill
"Michigan's democratic governor is set to sign a bill today, imposing a red flag gun law. The law would allow family members police, mental health professionals, roommates, and former dating partners to petition a judge to remove firearms from those they believe pose an imminent threat to themselves or others. Questions remain over whether Michigan would see better success in enforcing red flag laws than other states have local sheriffs have told The Associated Press, they won't enforce the law if they don't believe it's constitutional. Over half the state's counties have passed resolutions declaring themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries, opposing laws they believe infringe on gun rights. I'm Julie Walker
Mark Levin
Rep. Hakeem Jeffries Doesn't Believe in Work Requirements
"Work requirements for able bodied welfare risks We're talking about basically single individuals He says are extreme and irresponsible At the end of the cut then go ahead 145 House Republicans voted against so called work requirements in a amendment to the farm bill that would have imposed such requirements on snap recipients 145 Republicans including the current Speaker of the House So the notion that they want to now lecture us in the context of trying to avoid a default about so called work requirements is extreme and irresponsible So you got to listen very carefully to what he said So the Democrats put up a bill that's focused exclusively on Republicans on farmers In 2018 In order to make points by saying look at this There are probably but that's not the way this works The Republicans are proposing work requirements for everybody For everybody with the live in the city whether you're living It doesn't matter The Democrats didn't do that And so another propagandist Hakeem Jeffries gets up there and spews his stupidity And so the Democrats firmly do not believe people should work for welfare Even if they can we're talking about able bodied individuals And that's what we're talking about Individuals Grown men Who won't work
AP News Radio
Disney scraps plans for new Florida campus as fight with Gov. Ron DeSantis continues
"Plans for a new Disney campus in Florida are off the table. I'm Lisa dwyer. The Walt Disney Company says it's scrapping plans to build a new campus in Central Florida. The company had planned to relocate about 2000 employees from Southern California to Florida to work in digital technology, finance, and product development. Disney's announcement follows a year of attacks from Florida governor Ron DeSantis and the legislature, Disney filed a First Amendment lawsuit against desantis and other officials last month. Disney had planned to build the campus about 20 miles from the giant Walt Disney World theme park resort, but a company official says in a memo to employees that new leadership and changing business conditions prompted Disney to abandon those plans, I'm Lisa dwyer
The Dan Bongino Show
Unlike the FBI, The Secret Service Did Not Try to Look Political
"When I was a young agent we were taught in our academy down in Fletcher and the rally training center in Maryland We were taught when we were doing presidential security advances in security advances for other protectees That you were to establish a protest zone The long and short of it was the protest zone was we had all the protesters go whether they were protesting for or against They all were to go on the protest zone If you could separate them all the better Folks you know you may say well gosh that sounds kind of unconstitutional When you were a young agent in training at the time I guess you figured it must have passed some constitutional muster because they're teaching it Well it didn't They just taught it because someone else thought it and someone else thought it after that So an interesting thing happened You'd go to the site and you'd say okay you're a protester you're going to go over there in that zone And then I'm surprised this actually lasted as long as it did Decades Before someone at an event who had a sign I don't know say it says George W. Bush sucks or whatever Blood for oil Someone said wait wait wait I have this sign is so thick it's not a danger it's just a paper sign I'm holding Why can't I leave this protest zone yet anyone else can And the agent on the scene didn't have a good answer Because you're a protester That's not going to work That is not an effective answer So something happened And that something was somebody decided to sue and take the case to the court on First Amendment grounds Easy win folks Easy win She had a Secret Service should have been hit to that from the start They weren't but listen people get taught something you know not everybody there's an attorney constitutional attorney You're just figuring it's part of the security plan right
AP News Radio
Democrats keep Pennsylvania House majority, positioning party to prevent limits on abortion rights
"Democrats keep their narrow Pennsylvania House majority, positioning the party to prevent limits on abortion rights. I'm Julie Walker, Democrat Heather Boyd, won a special election Tuesday in the Philadelphia suburbs, beating Republican Katie Ford, the victory means first term democratic governor Josh Shapiro will have at least one chamber to aid his agenda and could also affect a proposed constitutional amendment limiting abortion rights that legislative Republicans are one house floor boat away from putting before voters as a referendum. In a second House special election,
AP News Radio
Republican wins state House special election in central Pennsylvania; GOP 1 seat away from control
"Voters in the suburbs of Philadelphia are deciding control of Pennsylvania's state House. A special election in Delaware county will determine which party has the majority in the Pennsylvania House. Republican Michael stender won another special election Tuesday for a vacancy in the central part of the state, giving the GOP 101 seats in the 203 member House. The Associated Press has not called the Delaware county election. If Republicans retake the house, they would control both chambers since the state Senate is firmly in GOP control. A Republican House could vote to put a proposed constitutional amendment limiting abortion rights before voters as a referendum. I'm Mike Hempen
Mark Levin
What Do We Do in a Country Without a Free Press?
"What do we do in a country When we do not have a free press and by that I mean not the government shutting down the press but we literally have a press That has determined that it's going to use the First Amendment To advance a radical left agenda and in doing so has decided that that agenda can only be established Through one party the Democrat party And then we have these massive media corporations Like the Washington compost the New York slimes CNN MSNBC ABC and CBS NBC and the rest That only higher radical activists Well that's not a 100% true but the Republicans they hire basically in our covering obituaries Or they're outnumbered in a significant way This is what they're being taught in journalism school and of course when you see Democrats secrete themselves within the media Like Psaki now over at MSNBC and you go down the list It's not a free press And it's not a free breast by the conduct of the press The press becomes a propaganda operation For the Democrats and you know this you see it every day you see it in the disparate treatment of Trump and Hillary Clinton and Trump and Joe Biden In the Trump kids and Hunter Biden you see it in the disparate treatment on how they report on Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill
The Breakdown
The Utter Folly of Biden's Proposed Bitcoin Mining Tax
"One of the big themes recently on the breakdown end in the world that we inhabit has been the growing partisanship around Bitcoin and crypto. Now, for a while, it seemed like it was more concentrated on crypto than it was on Bitcoin, right? It was securities regulations. It was unregistered securities exchanges. Those seem to be the big offenders, and Bitcoin is the one crypto that everyone even Gary gensler agrees is a commodity. Recently, however, Bitcoin has not been safe either, and the attack vector is of course mining and its environmental impact. About a week and a half ago I did a show called the dame tax is an attack on Bitcoin and it is in fact that tax that is the subject of Nick Carter's most recent essay for coin desk. The piece is called The White House's Bitcoin mining tax undermines itself, imposing a levee on mining in the U.S. will send the industry overseas increasing emissions while depriving the grid of a useful form of demand response. In its bit to marginalize the domestic crypto industry, Nick, writes, The White House has unleashed financial regulators, deputize the bank sector, and generally harassed crypto firms here. On top of that, it is now trying to push through a de facto ban of mining in the U.S. with the digital asset mining energy or dame excise tax. The proposed levy would add 30% to electricity costs for miners, which would be enough to turn their economics upside down and force them to leave these shores. The tax sets an extremely dangerous precedent, as it singles out an industry that lawfully purchases electricity, holding the electricity buyer's responsible for the carbon emissions of the underlying generation. This makes no sense. It's not Bitcoin miners responsibility to decarbonize the electricity they purchase. That falls to the architects of the grid. If the Biden admin can't get the grid to be sufficiently green, it should focus on that rather than punishing an industry that buys less than a single percentage point of the electricity produced in the U.S. in a given year. Additionally, the proposed tax may not even be legal. Appellate attorney W Aaron Daniel has argued convincingly that Bitcoin mining is protected speech under the First Amendment, and that a mining ban singles miners out unfairly as New York State has done already.
Mark Levin
Biden WH Wants to Expel Reporters Who Don't 'Act Professionally'
"Now the Biden White House according to Fox wants to revise rules for who can attend press briefings and news conferences What do you think about that judge Who do you think it aimed at You think it's saved at the sycophantic press Think it seemed that the New York slimes of the Washington compost with a crap news network or MS LSD kirstjen Now White House informed reporters in a notice Friday that credentials known as hard passes Will be revoked under the new rules of a journalism doesn't act in a professional manner With written warnings for violations followed by suspensions and bans for repeat offenders How come that doesn't violate the First Amendment Oh I forgot This is Biden not Trump Today news Africa reporter Simon atiba who's drawn attention by sometime shouting to press secretary Karin John Pierre In the back of the briefing room objects to the policy course it aimed at him named Fox it seemed that anybody who takes her on it she is a complete idiot She is a complete propagandist One of the worst press secretaries in history Washington Post noted that the rules represent the Biden White House's attempt to establish a code of conduct To avoid the legal jeopardy that the Trump administration ran into when it banished CNN reported Jim Acosta in journalists Brian Curran whoever that is from The White House complex in 2018 and 19 It's good to hear that The White House is looking to establish some objective standards governing White House press passes says Ted putros the lawyer who defended the Costa told the post but he called the proposed rules unduly
The Charlie Kirk Show
Tucker's Coming Back On Twitter
"So let's play a couple of these clips really quick in case you missed it. Let's just little smattering here. Let's play cut 80. Tucker last night in his second video drop on Twitter since being ousted from Fox. Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. You often hear people say the news is full of lies. But most of the time that's not exactly right, much of what you see on television or read The New York Times is in fact true in the literal sense. It could pass one of the media's own fact checks. Lawyers would be willing to sign off on it. In fact, they may have. But that doesn't make it true. It's not true. At the most basic level, the news you consume is a lie, a lie of the stealthiest and most insidious kind. Facts have been withheld on purpose, along with proportion and perspective. You are being manipulated. Read between the lines of what he's saying, and you see it echoed also in Elon's statement. He called broadcast media a one way street. He's saying on Twitter, you can interact with the content that is published there, which is true. What this might mean is a tectonic shift away from what we have all known and grown up with and seen on the nightly news that the broadcast media will dominate will not anymore necessarily when you fire when you sideline somebody like Tucker Carlson, you are risking a seismic shift in the landscape of broadcast media. Now, I'm going to play one more clip from Tucker's announcement here, and this is him saying that he's going to be doing it on Twitter. And then I want to make a comment after this cut 83. You can't have a free society if people aren't allowed to say what they think is true. Speech is the fundamental prerequisite for democracy. That's why it's enshrined in the first of our constitutional amendments. Twitter has long served as the place where our national conversation incubates and develops. Twitter is not a partisan site, everybody's allowed here, and we think that's a good thing. Starting soon, we'll be bringing a new version of the show we've been doing for the last 6 and a half years to Twitter. We bring some other things to which we'll tell you about. But for now we're just grateful to be here. Free speech is the main right that you have. Without it, you have no others. See you soon. All right, so this is a that's him summing it up. He says he's going to be doing the same show that he's been doing for the last 6 and a half years on Fox, but he's going to be on Twitter. Okay.
Mark Levin
Fact-Checking Rep. Jamie Raskin's Belief of Biden Using 14th Amendment
"Jen Psaki is a fraud a phony and a fake Is Biden would say the three F's And of course she is rascal on her show And she sets him up with a stupid question and he gives a pathetically stupid answer Cut 13 go As a constitutional lawyer do you think he has that authority and is it something you think he should do I think he has that authority under these circumstances absolutely because the Congress has put him in a constitutionally untenable All right let us stop Let us stop Number one whether he's in a constitutionally untenable position or not doesn't give him the authority to violate the constitution Number two Janie Raskin voted And the Democrats have supported All this spending and borrowing It is they Who have created this situation The Democrats and then the likes of a McConnell Go ahead Section four of the Fourteenth Amendment says that the validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned So if Congress is not what it says you took you pull out 5 words It wasn't talking about today It wasn't talking about the next century of the century after that Let's talk about post Civil War The Civil War death And a discussing the Civil War data was discussing what could and couldn't be paid for As we discussed any monies that went toward rebellion or insurrection the amendment says they were not to pay for They were not to reimburse
Dennis Prager Podcasts
UCLA Professor Debunks Gun Ownership Myth
"I'd like you to hear UCLA Professor of law Eugene woloch. One of the, I guess, few none leftists teaching at UCLA law. A video that he made for PragerU is gun ownership aright. It's important to hear. Here we go. Does an American citizen have a constitutional right to own a gun? Here's what the Second Amendment says. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Now at once seemed to me like that language only protected state militias and not individuals. Indeed, this is the view held by the four dissenting Supreme Court Justices, and the 2008 case of District of Columbia versus Heller, a landmark case dealing with gun ownership. But the more research I did, the more I came to realize that my initial view was mistaken, and that the founders were in fact securing an individual right.
The Charlie Kirk Show
'Disarmed' Author Mark W. Smith on Ukraine and Gun Rights
"And bring Mark Smith in. He is the author of the new fantastic book disarmed. And it's actually sort of related to Ukraine, but it's completely relevant to what we're talking about. What the Ukraine war teaches Americans about the right to bear arms with Mark Smith. Mark, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Thank you for joining. Hey, thanks for having me on today. Well, you know, we had a little tech snafu. It sounds like there and I was getting on a roll there. So I apologize for getting in a little late here. But Mark, I'm so glad that you were available today because, you know, this gun issue with every one of these shootings that we see happen. It especially in these public places, it just the left goes crazy. Now we're all sad about the tragedy and Alan, Texas. But, you know, there is this issue about an armed citizenry that our founders understood very, very well, especially given the context of their historical moment, make the case to us why the founders were so wise in the way that they set up the constitution and the Second Amendment, the Bill of Rights, and make the case to the American people watching and listening, why we need to protect the sacred right. Well, the founding fathers, when they constructed the constitution and the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms, they read every single thing on the planet to give them guidance about how to best create a government that would not only govern effectively, but most importantly, it would protect the freedoms and individual rights of the American citizens because they are very concerned that they didn't want another king or some sovereign that would take away rights in the name of public safety or to just take over because of control. So the founding fathers codified the right to bear arms, which is a preexisting right. The Second Amendment, right, to keep embarrassed not create anything. It's simply memorializes a preexisting right to self defense, a preexisting right to keep and bear arms. Now,
With Friends Like These
"second amendment" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"Case people have forgotten. We're at the exciting Debate over the ratification of the constitution and madison has introduced this idea of The militia being part of the federal government correct yes. It's already in the draft constitution. The south is not happy because they know where they suspect that those darn freedom loving northerners would not help them put down a slave rebellion if they were called upon to do so right. Oh yeah okay they were. They were afraid of that. Were afraid of that. So so where are we. So what what. What is what is the. What is the twist here what happens. And so what happens is is that george mason starts pounding on the issue of having a bill of rights of put in the constitution these amendments that could curtail the power of the federal government and that would protect basically the militia. And so when you think about and so. And they were very clear that if they didn't get that that what they would do is that they would push really hard for a new constitutional convention and what madison was afraid of. Is that this would be pandora's box and it would hurdle the united states right back to the unworkable years of the articles of confederation. And so he's wants to make sure that he's got this bill of rights there in what he knows from the battles over the in the constitutional convention itself was that the south will play some serious hardball with the the being of the united states with the foundation of the united states. The existence of he wasn't so wrong to be afraid of that. I mean a few years one hundred years later right right to be worried. He was wrong to me worry at all. Mit smelled it. Held it So i mean this was they. They when they wanted to get the three fisk law in order to get representation in government because the south was afraid that it didn't have enough people when it came to the house of representatives. Were out the number breath that that they didn't have enough people. They would always be outvoted in federal in the federal system as so they demand its first they demanded lord helped me. They demanded that the enslave be counted on a full equality with whites which led l. bridge jerry to say. Excuse me i thought you said they were property so so if they're full equality with whites their citizens right and they can vote. Why did you give them the right to vote. And they're like no that's not what we saying and and and then another delegate said excuse me so then you count them for your state representation right now. If you don't count for the state how on earth you going account for the federal and they said let me tell you what we don't get this. We don't at least get three fifths. We walk we walk. Madison was use to the hard ball at the south with clay and so win George mason was like patrick henry who hated james madison from the depths and the breadth in the heights that his social reach hated him. Some james madison and madison knew it. He was like they will scuttle the united states of america. They will call up a new constitutional convention. I've got to get this bill of rights through the first congress against it ratified and and so madison goes up to that first congress. And he's drafting these amendments because they're pouring in from all of the different state. He's he's he's dissing them and when you think about them. We ended up with the freedom of speech. Freedom of the press the right to not have a state sponsored religion the right not to be illegally searched and seized the right to a speedy and fair trial the right not to have cruel and unusual punishment the right to a well regulated militia. Weird when he put it that way carol for the security of a free state what yeah is.
With Friends Like These
"second amendment" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"It's white men to control enslaved population as part of the militia right. Yes no melissa. At and there were only seven hundred and fifty available white men to take on this mask force coming from the british of eight thousand troops. Only seven hundred fifty white men available and john. Laura's like you don't have enough white man to stop that So you've got to arm the slate and the response from the south carolina government was. We are horrified. It you ask us to do something like that. This is alarming appalling. And we don't even know if this is a nation worth fighting so this gets to the question that that came to be fairly quickly as i was reading the first part of your book with with friends like that do people need enemies. Meet with what i mean there is. I'm just going to this. We know how the story ends right eventually. Enslaved people are eventually went. Eventually you and i are here. Speaking with american accents as fellow citizens of the united states when i heard the vitriol expressed by southern Colonists still write about arming enslaved people. When i heard even i mean you know northerners were not not racist right. I mean there were still pretty racist but then and then at the same time you have the british saying come on over you know. We're not going to keep you. We're not gonna enslave you. And it was so close right. they were. The america was on the colonies around the edge of losing this whole thing. Yes yes. I have to ask the counterfactual. What do you think it might have been like for for black people. If if let's say the south carolinians were just so far up their own asses. They couldn't see straight to have some help. Fighting the british in the british had one. That is an incredible counterfactual off to ask. I know he's not really useful. But you and i think it would have been something akin to jamaica where you would still have british rule and you would have the lure of the profits that come from from these vast plantations school And you would have the language that would justify it via racial hierarchy.
Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"second amendment" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"The us supreme court ruled that that piece of legislation only applies to state action not to private action and so basically the slaughter that that domestic terrorism by these private groups was fine. President ulysses s grant was beside himself. And then we had the hamburg massacre shortly thereafter again. The disparity the a symmetry it access to weaponry and he said all of this has in common is not what the states all have. A comment is not. Christianity is not civilisation. It is the right to kill negroes. And i just went. Wow wow now. Let's get back to our conversation with carol anderson about her new book the second race and guns in fatally unequal america so we could probably carole go through all the ways in which as you said the end of the civil war doesn't solve the asymmetry and civil rights amendments. Don't solve the symmetry and doing away with jim. Crow doesn't solve the at every turn and it does bring me to the black panthers where for the first time we have this claim That's made i think that really robust gun rights four black americans will lead to symmetry we will have equality and i guess we should really caveat here. The black panthers are talking about Police terror not clan terror. But that's the argument. It's an argument. I guess we hear reverberate. In clarence thomas is gun rights jurisprudence. Where i think. There's this theory that the only way to make sure that we have freedom for always to have guns for all Does that prove more successful. No spoiler alert. No so what happened is that you have this police. Brutality raining down on the black community. And you don't have any accountability for that terror for the killings for the beatings. Nothing and so a rising from that are the black panther party for self-defence founded by huey p newton and bobby seale and one of their key. Things was to police the police and they new california law open carry law. They knew the kinds of guns. They could have. They made sure that their guns were registered. They made sure that they didn't point them at anybody In a threatening manner they knew what the law said they also knew what the law said in terms of the distance that they had to maintain from police officers as the police were arresting people but the police did not like having these leather up gunned up black people looking at what they were doing. They hated policing the police. And so they ran to don mulford who was a conservative assemblyman in the california legislature. And said we need help with the black. Panthers are a problem a serious problem. We need help. And and so it was to make illegal. What the panthers were doing So that it banned open carry And and they had the help of the nra in drafting this legislation and you had ronald reagan eagerly awaiting this legislation. I i will sign it. The moment gets on my desk. And so this configuration. Of what you. We normally think of as these gun rights folks were actually targeting the black panthers for carrying guns and carol. I think because you opened your framing with the nra it's useful to return to. And i think you're absolutely right. That when the nra defends ruby ridge defense waco there's not the corresponding outrage for a philanderer casteel. But i think that one question that. I guess i'm curious is your sense. That the days of the ascendancy of the nra or presumably behind us there in every kind of trouble The gun rights movement and certainly the constitutional and legal gun rights movement may not be steeped in that hypocrisy that you say pervades the nra's analysis of the situation. I guess my question is does this dual narrative Guns for white people. Good guns for black people dangerous did does it evaporate with the potency of the nra. So diluted in this moment I don't see that happening Because this is a phenomenon that preceded the nra and was embedded before the ira was founded in eighteen. Seventy one by union soldiers. Who really wanted to improve the marksmanship of those in the area and what it's really going to take is the really hard work that this nation appears to be unwilling to do which is to dismantle anti blackness as an operating code in this society. Think about how. Many times we've heard will danger threat. I mean i talk about the thugs location of trayvon martin..
Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"second amendment" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"And they said if we don't get it we're gonna push for a new constitutional convention. Madison was quaking in his boots. Because what was afraid of was that that would hurl the us back to the unworkable articles of confederation and so he runs to that first congress and he was like a man obsessed with drafting these amendments. And so when you think about it. In these amendments you get freedom of the press freedom of speech you get the right not to be illegally searched and seized. You get the right to a speedy and fair trial. You get the right not to have cruel and unusual punishment. And then you have the right to a well regulated militia for the security of the state. This thing is such an outlier in this bill of rights and this out liar is because this is the bribe to patrick henry to george mason to the southern slaveholders that they will have state control of the militia. This is how you contain federal control by half making sure that the states have control of the militia and so that they will not be less vulnerable to the the whims. The the abolitionist williams. As as as patrick henry saw of those in pennsylvania or those and massachusetts how could we possibly trust them. So now the control of the militia will be in the hands of the enslavers and one of the themes that i think really is born out in your incredibly heartbreaking. Very very bloody and violent description of slave rebellions. Is that the thing that was powering. Them you say. And this is such an irony carol. Is i think the way you you write. It is what proved most combustible with was these revolutionary ideas on the one hand and an oppressed black population on the other. The folks who were at the helm of these revolutions were actually just taking patrick. Henry's give me liberty or give me death quite literally and that that juxtaposition of those two warring ideas is in fact the tragedy here in it stoked as well by the haitian revolution which just sent a earthquake through the colonies particularly the the deep slaveholding colonies. Because here you had the enslaved in haiti rising up fighting for their freedom and taking on european armies and winning so that that notion of white supremacy white uber alles just got destroyed in haiti and also the ways that the haitians fought it. Just like this thing is is lethal this idea of liberty. They the idea that they have the right to self govern that black people have the right to self-government what and they were. Afraid that that idea. That revolutionary idea would would metastasized what seep into the black population here in the us and so when there was gabriel's revolt in virginia in eighteen. Hundred and gabriel had had drank heavily from that revolutionary of elixir. And he had plotted out stealthily and powerfully. How to town to create a multi racial multi religious republic he real republic and and as i said and for that he would die but this the plot was over multiple counties multiple cities over a hundred It's slave people some free blacks and two white frenchman who were also involved in the plotting and the planning. The conspiracy was discovered the day of or the day before it was supposed to happen because a massive thunderstorm had just ruined the logistics of it and one of the men just was like. Oh i gotta get mine because this thing is not working. I'm gonna get mine and when governor james monroe found out about it. He was alarmed. he was horrified about. How close they came to having this mass uprising that they were sure was fueled by this revolutionary fervor coming out of the american revolution the french revolution and the haitian revolution is like these ideas are white. Only black. people are not supposed to have these ideas. Black people are not supposed to be acting upon like they have the right to freedom..
Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"second amendment" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"That america starts to tell itself even back to the time of the revolutionary war stories. I almost want to say hashtag. Fake news carol that becomes a way of inflating black dangerousness and justifying the use of force against them. In one of the things. You talk about very early is just the ways in which the press during the revolutionary war invented accounts of armed Former slaves fighting for the king and It's out of whole cloth. It's just a way of telling a story to explain why slaves are armed and then explain why they can't be trusted with guns right and so what you had here. Is that with slavery. In the united states the continental army had banned. The arming of black people banned the list of black people to join the continental army But the problem was is that you had this militia. A that could not be counted on to fight the king's forces. Sometimes they take off running. Sometimes they would show up sometimes. Were just like you know. I'm just not feeling this And and so. The continental army was getting its butt kicked and the exigencies of war led the continental army to eventually begin to enlist african americans to enlist the enslaved under the banner of you fight for us and you will get your freedom and so the continental army became an integrated fighting force. But you also had the earl of done more who was offering the enslaved in the south their freedom if they fought for the king and this is before the continental army. The colonists are doing this and so black folks are fleeing because freedom freedom and that movement toward freedom is sending panic panic throughout the colonies but with that integrated force the continental army stiffens stiffens and so the british decide to hit what they call the soft underbelly and they begin to attack the south. They took over georgia like that. Then they're headed up to south carolina. South carolina has deployed the vast majority of its white men as the militia to control that large black slave population. They only have seven hundred and fifty white men available to fight. The keying is bringing eight thousand troops. Barreling down on them. George washington since his emissary. Who was like you've got to arm. The enslaved is the only chance we have. You've got to arm the asleep and they went. We are horrified that you would even suggest something like that. We are alarmed. We don't even know if this is a nation worth fighting for that you would. You would say that we should arm them. Are you kidding me. and they they were ready to basically surrendered to the king. then accept. arming the enslaved. Because of this fear As as nathaniel greene general nathaniel greene said they had dreaded fear of armed blacks but the story became From the press that is trying to leak together. The keep the north and the south together. The story became that the betrayal was at the hands of the enslaved who were flocking to the king and so it ignored the fact that you had black people in the continental army who were serving longer times in that army and who had a lower a wall rate in that army than whites that they were doing. The heavy lifting because that narrative of black betrayal was the way to keep the nation unified. And can you talk for just a moment about this essential moment at the constitutional convention. You've got twenty five of the fifty five delegates as slave owners including george washington You present the second amendment as a grand bargain. It was not in and of itself necessarily this lodestar of freedom. It was a deal. And i wonder if you can just walk us through what that deal was y again baked into the very framing of the second amendment. Was this question of what are we gonna do about slavery right. And so at the constitutional ratification convention in virginia because the has been drafted and so the ratification is happening. And then it stalls it stalls in virginia's one of the big holdouts and so james madison runs down back home to virginia to try to push this thing through. He runs up against patrick. Henry george mason who are apoplectic because madison has put control of the militia in the federal constitution under the federal under federal control. And they're like we you know the north detest slavery they will if we have a slave revolt we how can we count on them to in fact get the alicia. Come down here and protect us. To put this slave revolt down. We will be left. Defenceless is what. George mason is hollering. We will be left.
Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"second amendment" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"And that's your answer to the question of why the debate that we see in heller And the subsequent second amendment cases where we start to see the court latch onto the idea that there is an individual right to bear arms. It's not a militia. Based and i think your point is that is orthogonal all to urinalysis because whether it's a militia based right or an individual right. Each of those rights was not in fact afforded to african americans at any point historically. Okay i'm feeling. So roberta flack right now killing me softly with your song. This is exactly what i'm saying. Is that when. I looked at the individual right to bear arms when i looked at the right to a well regulated militia. When i looked at the right to self-defense over time i'm seeing that it does not apply that in fact each of those have been used against african americans because it is the quality of anti blackness and that is to define african americans as a threat as dangerous as criminal as people who need to be subjugated and controlled that so. That's what i'm saying if you are unarmed. You're still a threat. And how many times have we in this current day. Heard of a black person being gunned down simply because they had a cell phone and somebody felt threatened because they thought it was a gun Or just seeing a black person like jonathan ferrell in north carolina who had been in a car accident And and was happy to see the police finally there because he thought help was on the way and the police gun him down and they said we were afraid He he was dangerous. He was threatening. And we see that somebody like philander castille. Who has a licensed gun is a threat. And he's gone down so it doesn't matter whether you have a gun or you don't you're blackness is the threat and it is the default threat in this society. And so this is also why. Stand your ground. laws Are have such a strong racial bias because it says wherever you have a right to be so. If i'm at the grocery store if i'm in a parking lot if i'm in a park and i perceive a threat i have the right to use. Lethal force will win. Black is the default threat in american society. That perception of threat puts the crosshairs on black people. And so when you look at the. Us civil rights commission report on standard ground. We see that for whites who kill black people using. Stand your ground that they are ten times more likely to basically walk with justifiable homicide. Then blacks who kill whites. We also see that whites who kill black people understand. Your ground are two hundred and eighty one percent more likely to walk than whites who kill whites because when blacks are the victims in these killings it becomes much more likely justifiable because of the default threat. Yeah i think you make that point early on when you talk about. Philander casteel carol when you sort of say literally. The only thing he did was say. I have a gun. I'm not reaching for my gun. It's a licensed gun. I'm getting you might papers. And that act of simply saying i have a gun becomes perceived as a threat for the police officer who shoots him absolutely. And it's the way that i juxtapose in the book for instance the treatment of kyle rittenhouse versus tamir rice. So kyle rittenhouse was the seventeen-year-old white teenager who cross state lines within the legally obtained a are fifteen to basically go to a protest in kenosha wisconsin and there was a protest about a black man. Jacob blake being shot in the back seven times by police. The police see kyle written house and they welcome him. We really appreciate having you here. He's got his. Ar fifteen is hot out here. You want some water. He then goes and he guns down. Three people killing two of them were seriously wounding another. He walks back towards the police with his hands. Up as if to surrender and they pay no attention to them. Nothing is triggering threat for them when they see this white teenager with an ar fifteen but then you juxtapose that to tamir rice..
Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"second amendment" Discussed on Amicus with Dahlia Lithwick
"Now why is tamir rice. The twelve year old a threat. And kyle rittenhouse not a threat. That is what. I'm getting at here in the second. Hi and welcome back to our summer season of amicus. This is -letes podcast about the law and the rule of law and the courts. I'm with. I covered these things worsley magazine and as we do every summer we like to step back from the daily tick talk of the law and the supreme court docket and to look at some books and films that are reshaping. Maybe in big ways the way that we think about the law this week. Our show lies right on the team of two issues that we discuss so often on this. Show racial justice on the one hand and the second amendment on the other. Our guest is one of our very favorite guests. His opinion carol anderson professor anderson is the charles howard candler professor and chair of african american studies at emory university. She is the author of one person. No vote long listed for the national book award and a finalist for the pen. John kenneth galbraith award. Her book white rage was a new york times bestseller and winner of the national book critics circle award and she was named a guggenheim fellow for constitutional studies. Carol anderson's new book is called the second it was published in june by bloomsbury press the second explores the ways in which the second amendment ostensibly conferring the right to bear arms upon all americans was actually conceived as and continues to be as she puts it not about an abstract liberty to carry guns but as an instrument of quote black exclusion and debasement unquote. Carol has joined us before to discuss for pression warnings about voter suppression in race in america. As i said it is always such a treat to have you on the show. Welcome carole thank you so much for having me. I'm just excited to have this conversation with you carol. I wonder if you could just start by talking a little bit. About what led you to this exploration of the connection between slavery the founding and guns. Maybe how you arrived this question after working so hard on issues of race. And then as you and i've talked about before on this show Voting rights actually began in twenty sixteen with the killing philander castille. So here in minnesota you have a black man who's pulled over by the police. The police officer asked to see his. Id philander casteel following nra guidelines. Alerts the officer that he has a licensed to carry a weapon with him. Many says but i'm reaching for my. Id the police officer begins shooting and kills philander castille. We see the film of it. It is horrific so we have a black man killed simply for having a gun not for brandishing it not for threatening anyone simply for having a licensed to carry gun and the in our a that that pretend that the in our a that protector of the second amendment goes virtually silent and i thought how is the in our silent on this particularly when they were absolutely vociferous at ruby ridge and waco calling federal law enforcement. Jack booted government thugs but on this. They're like virtually silent of small. We we think that everybody should have the right to bear arms We have to wait till after the investigation and so journalists began asking well. Don't african americans have second amendment rights. And i thought to myself that's a great question. And that's what led me onto this hunt and i want to be really clear about your framework carol. You are not doing sort of comprehensive peace of legal or constitutional feary. This is not a book of the second amendment doctrine as inflicted by race over The centuries you are think doing exactly the thing that you did in one person. No vote which is kind of pointillist historical explanation of what was happening in the spaces around that legal and constitutional history. Your work i think On voting rights in now on guns is sort of a sidebar about everything that we may have missed when we were thinking that all of second amendment history is bound up in the federals paper in the case law. Right exactly so it. I made clear that this is an anti-gun or pro-gun book. This isn't about the weather. It's a right to a well regulated militia or the right to it for individuals to bear arms. My focus is on the role of anti blackness in american society and how that plays out in terms of the fractured citizenship. That african americans have endured All the way up to the present day and the only other thing. I want to say as a table setting matter. Is that the question that you come with and You do rooted in Philander casteel but the question. You're trying to answer. I think In your epilogue you you put in. Trevor noah's mouth when he looks at a whole host of incidents in which police officers talk down a white man with a gun right. They they persuade him to disarm and they arrest him And trevor noah you say Makes the argument that quote. The second amendment is not intended for black people. It was not made for black folks. And i think what your answer is. No the second amendment is in fact working exactly the way it was intended to work with respect to black folks and that is as a tool of persistent subordination and destruction. I just wanna be super clear that you're not saying oh. The second amendment is broken. It was conceived to do a thing that it doesn't do. You're saying oh the second amendment does precisely the thing it was crafted to do. Exactly exactly you nailed it in one. Greg louganis pike. Position toes pointed very little splash. Let's talk about just at the founding and let's talk about the centrality of guns and gun ownership in going right back to the colonial era. How much guns and gun ownership were really at the heart of plantation owners who were attempting to keep control over situations in which they were simply. Outnumbered guns were central to that as the militia was central to that there was this massive fear of slave. Uprising slave revolts of black people fighting for their freedom black people demanding freedom and willing to do whatever it took to be. Free and so with each rumored uprising. You see the rise of infrastructure a legal infrastructure in terms of the laws Banning the slave from a gun possession as well as the rise of slave patrols and the militia it ordered to curtail and control black people to subjugate black people. The slave patrol was a smaller unit. That did the kind of regular routine going through the slave cabins looking for. Contraband looking for weapons looking for books looking for anything that sparked of somebody believing that they could be free and the militia was there to backstop the slave patrols so that if the uprising was too large it was too big more than the slave patrol could handle the militia came in to quash that thing the numbers that you lay out carol. Fifty percent of all wealth holders in the thirteen colonies in seventeen. Seventy four own guns. That number soared to sixty nine percent. If you're looking just at the south eighty. One percent of slave owning states had firearms and plantations with the largest numbers of enslaved. People were four point three times more likely to have guns than those with few or no slaves so again. I think it's just a doesn't necessarily fit into the picture. We tell ourselves about the birth of the second amendment that at that point already. It was absolutely clear that guns were in some sense as essential to continuing the sort of plantations in the slave holding way of life as the crops themselves. Guns were just that braided into it..
Red, Blue, and Brady
"second amendment" Discussed on Red, Blue, and Brady
"That status. So i think we have to understand this takeover of this this intention to retake the country that ajan burgers and others mapped out and look at the supreme court. Today they have succeeded and the election trump and it is you know about one third of the electorate so they Restrict voting rights in order to win an election. They have to rearrange things. It's pretty easy to do under the constitution because states. Have you know a floor more rights than than they should you know for any kind of justice to exist so i think it's really important to understand that this you know that that the general public support the second amendment is really problematic because the national rifle association did not become a white national organization. Toll nineteen seventy seven. It was a pretty benign you know hunters homeless and stuff and it's mostly white men. You know book rich white men as thirty million members now they say but it. I'm sure not all those members. Thank affirm sells you know white nationalist and there are some non you know. Non white people were members in to get discounts and stuff but the organization itself was taken over. It's documented taken over by an organization called the the Second amendment foundation which has founded in one thousand nine hundred seventy four by arlen carter. Who was a former border gar. Long time member of the nra nuts. He actually killed a mexican boy when he was fourteen. Years old. got by with it His father was also a border guard. So this hardened carter transformed. Nra into an activist white nationalist organization. And you begin seeing you know in in in the nineteen eighties. Lillies armed militia groups mostly in rural areas exploiting the workers who the de-industrialisation and joblessness was produced by that bringing them in these little white workers. Who had these privileged union jobs of becoming suddenly having to be grocery clerks janitors and stuff so they were you know they were vulnerable to be recruited but still today seventy five percent muscles polled in the united states. Saying believe that the second amendment is a constitutional right individual gun rights and that it should be respected. Even though even though they're only one third of the population even owns a gun even one gun but the average is eight. Average gun owns eight fire. Heart's and it's really important to understand that the general public is embracing the second amendment as if it because there is this is fitted criticizing the constitution and constitutions. Most countries will many countries. Don't have a constitution doesn't really have a constitution. And they do fine without a constitution francis head. I don't know how many but they renew from generally agree generation to catch up with the times. They're not sacred documents constitutions. Why is it here. You know because it established or white republic so we have to. You know this is. The other thing may just getting people to accept that the constitution needs to be totally not amendments. That it's almost impossible to get an amendment but simply done away with and if you wanna concentration create one that reflects the society as it is now the white republic that it was seventeen eighteenth century. I wonder if just in general for our listeners. If could trap america in an elevator with you for for a brief moment you know. Do you wish that folks knew about us history. Us history is released to firearms. Just what's the one thing that you would hope someone would maybe take away from either either your work or the works of others. What do people need to know that they simply just don't. It's a really big question to ask you to reduce all down but yeah well i would In that elevator ride. I think i would say in need to know that. The history of firearms in the united states is history of white. Nationalism based on the founding of the united states is white republic and its intention to eradicate things systens of eight occupants of the continent. And this is enshrined in your constitution. Giving white settlers constitutional right to collaborate with the state and the army and at endeavor and guns are symbols genocidal riots. Two-thirds of us citizens do not own violence. And those who do own average who do own our own eight firearms which reveals Of of self defense and those who do not own firearms are complicit in embracing the sanctity of the second amendment which is a screed written in blood and should be annulled. And that i think really leads into if you could tell folks really quickly about your new book. That's coming out. I think this whole you. Are you telling me that We lot schoolhouse rock in the great american melting pot is not an accurate representation of how things were. Yeah i new book kids I had a. I can tip from six. I think it was. I was reading a little blog for online and Sort of the ranch i would. You know what i was doing. I was ranting about this. And that so i was i said. Stop calling the united states a nation of immigrants and so later my you know editor my broken indigenous peoples history of the united states after you that book without and all she said i have one paragraph in that book saying that you know it's not nation immigrants it was founded et cetera loaning allstate white republican. Immigrants came lighter and she said. Could you make that into a book. So that's the reason. I i did it so it's an interesting book i think. Yeah i mean as someone who's descended from enslaved africans on both sides my family i always take umbrage with this whole nation of immigrants things that like. I don't think you describe the middle immigration. So i'm very much looking forward to reading this book in a day. Said i mean you just have such depth amount. I think is so necessary in general but especially to what we do here because part of what we are contending with when we're trying to advocate for that invention people to just tell the truth and so. I think that your work is so important to that. And i hope listeners will continue to engage with it And yeah. I mean as our time also closer. Just gonna thank you so much for not only coming here today but also for all the work in all activism and all the learning that you've been doing and then sharing with all of us for decades which is so important so really really appreciate you in your time and your work. Thank you so much. It was so kelly. This moment of levity may not be that fun. A rarely day. But i'm prepared. Well you know every week bringing you something new sandwich massachusetts which is a fun name for a town but not a fun story where we find a housekeeper at one of the local ends was tidying up When she found you may be surprised to find this kelly. I loaded handgun. Not the pri- nonetheless horrified. Yes it was just right. There talked into the sheets of the guests. Bed asset even happened Turns out the guest was a licensed gun owner from connecticut who was visiting massachusetts and he just loves the fire in israel when he went out maybe he wanted to get a little bit under. Its little ben pillow. Who knows i mean. Can you imagine how scared that housekeeper had to be when she's just kind of doing her regular thing making the bed and then a gun just out of the sheets. i mean it's so scary but thank goodness. It didn't unintentionally discharged. Oh one hundred percent. I'm honestly floored every almost every single week when we cover these stories where people don't safely store firearms but even in this case Massachusetts actually has a safe storage laws. So the man now has to appear before court for that and for the fact that he wasn't actually licensed to carry a gun at the state in the first place so kelly this week. We have to talk about interested. Ohio's that i think we should be concerned all people but especially people who identify as women so federal agents have arrested a man who described himself as an sell and for those of you don't know uninstall is a subculture of people who say they're unable to find a romantic or sexual partner. Despite wanting one and who feel entitled to such a relationship the man was charged with attempting to commit a hate crime and illegally possessing a modified semiautomatic pistol which functioned as a machine gun. He was also found to have posted a manifesto on an online forum about how he planned to slaughter women and indicated a desire and plans to commit a large scale mass shooting at an ohio university. I mean listeners. Can't see me but i basically just shaking my head as you this all just so scary end this shows how guns in hey do not and should not mix and unfortunately our next case also particularly interesting to me because radio legal team actually handled a similar case. Several years back. That case was in new york. This case is in arizona. Basically what happened is in tucson arizona. Firefighters were called to a house fire but after they arrived. The homeowner opened fire at both the firefighters in. Emc's two medics were shot as well as to firefighters and a good samaritan neighbor the neighbor corey. Michael saunders died from his injuries and tucson fire. Chief chuck ryan said. His firefighters will need physical and psychological help in order to recover from this quote soul crushing incident as ryan fed. That's not what we come to work to do is to get shot at. That's not will be sign up for but sadly it's become part of our experience. Now think kelly and maybe you feel the same way but one of the things. I think this podcast doing this. Podcast is really pointed out to me is that i like that part of our experience. Now is such an american experience right like you can't go to your college in ohio. You can't go to your job as emt. You can't be a neighbor that tries to help somebody without being afraid that you're going to be a victim of gun violence. It's like this new gross normal. And i'm not i'm not okay with it. Nope me either. What does your podcast loose. Now gonna touch with us here at red balloon brady phone text message simply caller texas at four eight zero seven four four three four five two thoughts questions concerns ideas. Whatever kelly are standing by. Thanks for listening as always. Brady's life saving work in congress. The courts in communities across the country is made possible. Thanks to you for more information on brady or how to get involved in the fight against gun island. Please like and subscribe to the podcast get in touch with us at brady united dot org oral on social at eighty buzz be brave and remember take action not type My name is fred gutenberg. I'm a father of two amazing children jesse and jamie. Unfortunately my two children were involved with margaret stoneman. Douglas school shooting my son jesse survived. My daughter jamie did not because my relationship with tv now involves visits to the cemetery. I am dad. Who's committed myself to do something about gun violence. I need help of other dots. I want us to know you can be a gun owner. And foregone safety feel the same way i do about protecting our kids and ensuring they're not the next victims of gun violence because of that i've started this hashtag dads for gun safety movement. A letter is going out. We have lots of wonderful ciders on the letter. But i need everyone else. I want a million to sign this letter. I want to show you do an ever. It takes to protect those. You love your spouse your kids and everyone else. Let's do this together. Hashtag dads for gun safety. Hey this is great joe. If you want to support fred's letter you can add your signature by going and united dot org slash act. Act slash stats for gun. Safety bake and i'm good at this. You have you..
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"second amendment" Discussed on Red, Blue, and Brady
"States ever did but we you know we still demonize socialism communism as if it's about to take over but i think it's another Another phenomenon of of white supremacy and the fear of losing that status. So i think we have to understand this takeover of this this intention to retake the country that ajan burgers and others mapped out and look at the supreme court. Today they have succeeded and the election trump and it is you know about one third of the electorate so they Restrict voting rights in order to win an election. They have to rearrange things. It's pretty easy to do under the constitution because states. Have you know a floor more rights than than they should you know for any kind of justice to exist so i think it's really important to understand that this you know that that the general public support the second amendment is really problematic because the national rifle association did not become a white national organization. Toll nineteen seventy seven. It was a pretty benign you know hunters homeless and stuff and it's mostly white men. You know book rich white men as thirty million members now they say but it. I'm sure not all those members. Thank affirm sells you know white nationalist and there are some non you know. Non white people were members in to get discounts and stuff but the organization itself was taken over. It's documented taken over by an organization called the the Second amendment foundation which has founded in one thousand nine hundred seventy four by arlen carter. Who was a former border gar. Long time member of the nra nuts. He actually killed a mexican boy when he was fourteen. Years old. got by with it His father was also a border guard. So this hardened carter transformed. Nra into an activist white nationalist organization. And you begin seeing you know in in in the nineteen eighties. Lillies armed militia groups mostly in rural areas exploiting the workers who the de-industrialisation and joblessness was produced by that bringing them in these little white workers. Who had these privileged union jobs of becoming suddenly having to be grocery clerks janitors and stuff so they were you know they were vulnerable to be recruited but still today seventy five percent muscles polled in the united states. Saying believe that the second amendment is a constitutional right individual gun rights and that it should be respected. Even though even though they're only one third of the population even owns a gun even one gun but the average is eight. Average gun owns eight fire. Heart's and it's really important to understand that the general public is embracing the second amendment as if it because there is this is fitted criticizing the constitution and constitutions. Most countries will many countries. Don't have a constitution doesn't really have a constitution. And they do fine without a constitution francis head. I don't know how many but they renew from generally agree generation to catch up with the times. They're not sacred documents constitutions. Why is it here. You know because it established or white republic so we have to. You know this is. The other thing may just getting people to accept that the constitution needs to be totally not amendments. That it's almost impossible to get an amendment but simply done away with and if you wanna concentration create one that reflects the society as it is now the white republic that it was seventeen eighteenth century. I wonder if just in general for our listeners. If could trap america in an elevator with you for for a brief moment you know. Do you wish that folks knew about us history. Us history is released to firearms. Just what's the one thing that you would hope someone would maybe take away from either either your work or the works of others. What do people need to know that they simply just don't. It's a really big question to ask you to reduce all down but yeah well i would In that elevator ride. I think i would say in need to know that. The history of firearms in the united states is history of white. Nationalism based on the founding of the united states is white republic and its intention to eradicate things systens of eight occupants of the continent. And this is enshrined in your constitution. Giving white settlers constitutional right to collaborate with the state and the army and at endeavor and guns are symbols genocidal riots. Two-thirds of us citizens do not own violence. And those who do own average who do own our own eight firearms which reveals Of of self defense and those who do not own firearms are complicit in embracing the sanctity of the second amendment which is a screed written in blood and should be annulled. And that i think really leads into if you could tell folks really quickly about your new book. That's coming out. I think this whole you. Are you telling me that We lot schoolhouse rock in the great american melting pot is not an accurate representation of how things were. Yeah i new book kids I had a. I can tip from six. I think it was. I was reading a little blog for online and Sort of the ranch i would. You know what i was doing. I was ranting about this. And that so i was i said. Stop calling the united states a nation of immigrants and so later my you know editor my broken indigenous peoples history of the united states after you that book without and all she said i have one paragraph in that book saying that you know it's not nation immigrants it was founded et cetera loaning allstate white republican. Immigrants came lighter and she said. Could you make that into a book. So that's the reason. I i did it.
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"Phenomenon of of white supremacy and the fear of losing that status. So i think we have to understand this takeover of this this intention to retake the country that ajan burgers and others mapped out and look at the supreme court. Today they have succeeded and the election trump and it is you know about one third of the electorate so they Restrict voting rights in order to win an election. They have to rearrange things. It's pretty easy to do under the constitution because states. Have you know a floor more rights than than they should you know for any kind of justice to exist so i think it's really important to understand that this you know that that the general public support the second amendment is really problematic because the national rifle association did not become a white national organization. Toll nineteen seventy seven. It was a pretty benign you know hunters homeless and stuff and it's mostly white men. You know book rich white men as thirty million members now they say but it. I'm sure not all those members. Thank affirm sells you know white nationalist and there are some non you know. Non white people were members in to get discounts and stuff but the organization itself was taken over. It's documented taken over by an organization called the the Second amendment foundation which has founded in one thousand nine hundred seventy four by arlen carter. Who was a former border gar. Long time member of the nra nuts. He actually killed a mexican boy when he was fourteen. Years old. got by with it His father was also a border guard. So this hardened carter transformed. Nra into an activist white nationalist organization. And you begin seeing you know in in in the nineteen eighties. Lillies armed militia groups mostly in rural areas exploiting the workers who the de-industrialisation and joblessness was produced by that bringing them in these little white workers. Who had these privileged union jobs of becoming suddenly having to be grocery clerks janitors and stuff so they were you know they were vulnerable to be recruited but still today seventy five percent muscles polled in the united states. Saying believe that the second amendment is a constitutional right individual gun rights and that it should be respected. Even though even though they're only one third of the population even owns a gun even one gun but the average is eight. Average gun owns eight fire. Heart's and it's really important to understand that the general public is embracing the second amendment as if it because there is this is fitted criticizing the constitution and constitutions. Most countries will many countries. Don't have a constitution doesn't really have a constitution. And they do fine without a constitution francis head. I don't know how many but they renew from generally agree generation to catch up with the times. They're not sacred documents constitutions. Why is it here. You know because it established or white republic so we have to. You know this is. The other thing may just getting people to accept that the constitution needs to be totally not amendments. That it's almost impossible to get an amendment but simply done away with and if you wanna concentration create one that reflects the society as it is now the white republic that it was seventeen eighteenth century. I wonder if just in general for our listeners. If could trap america in an elevator with you for for a brief moment you know. Do you wish that folks knew about us history. Us history is released to firearms. Just what's the one thing that you would hope someone would maybe take away from either either your work or the works of others. What do people need to know that they simply just don't. It's a really big question to ask you to reduce all down but yeah well i would In that elevator ride. I think i would say in need to know that. The history of firearms in the united states is history of white. Nationalism based on the founding of the united states is white republic and its intention to eradicate things systens of eight occupants of the continent. And this is enshrined in your constitution. Giving white settlers constitutional right to collaborate with the state and the army and at endeavor and guns are symbols genocidal riots. Two-thirds of us citizens do not own violence. And those who do own average who do own our own eight firearms which reveals Of of self defense and those who do not own firearms are complicit in embracing the sanctity of the second amendment which is a screed written in blood and should be annulled. And that i think really leads into if you could tell folks really quickly about your new book. That's coming out. I think this whole you. Are you telling me that We lot schoolhouse rock in the great american melting pot is not an accurate representation of how things were. Yeah i new book kids I had a. I can tip from six. I think it was. I was reading a little blog for online and Sort of the ranch i would. You know what i was doing. I was ranting about this. And that so i was i said. Stop calling the united states a nation of immigrants and so later my you know editor my broken indigenous peoples history of the united states after you that book without and all she said i have one paragraph in that book saying that you know it's not nation immigrants it was founded et cetera loaning allstate white republican. Immigrants came lighter and she said. Could you make that into a book. So that's the reason..
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"Acknowledge the power of the center and their political power. I mean if if this top era period has not revealed enough about the descendants of those people who are the majority of the constitutes trump's base. And i don't know what will make make people come to grips and including my own comrades in you know social movements because i am a social movement activists to to simply acknowledged that and then sick. Just set me. You know where we go from here. If that's the case in if i could take a gander at trying to put together a few different things. I just heard you say. One of them is a lot of times when we focus on the militia aspect of the second amendment whether were arguing that it was an individual right or collective line. What we need to be doing is focusing first and foremost on. How militias were functioning at the time and we and we can't erase the fact that they were serving that part of what they were doing was taking land and brutalizing native americans and that that can't drop out of the conversation. Is that fair to say yeah that it was really genocide. Let's not just brutalizing That it was a reduction of population you know like ninety percent so native people thought victoriously into you know certain extent they actually know battle was ever lost by native americans. But going in massacring Unarmed civilians and burning the cost is not a battle. Wounded knee was not battle as the army. Now still designates. It is a battle in the column of win or lose. It's a win for the united states. They still that. Plaque is still there twenty-eight congressional medal of honor that were given to those in in in in that seven camry that did the killing rebate at not been rescinded so this is universal current history. This is not the past. I think there's still a celebration of settler. Colonialism take the liberal john kennedy's new frontier acceptance speech at the democratic convention in nineteen sixty where he asked the audience to see him as a new hind frontiers confronting different sort of wilderness. Saying code istan tonight facing west on what was once the last frontier from the land that stretch three thousand miles behind. Need pioneers of all gave up their safety their comfort and sometimes their lives did know a new world here in the west we stand today on the edge of a new frontier and obama muse practically the same words in his first inaugural address invoking settler colonialism and the us military uses today uses the term indian country for enemy territory. Oma nimby operation to assassinate sama bin laden operation. Geronimo and when the word came in and it's televised go online and pull that video of of the word coming in from after the assassination. Geronimo is dead and they all applaud in the bulker so the us origin narrative changes over time and starting with the achievements of the civil rights. multiculturalism as a goal and racism missing problem created a narrative in which indigenous people were racial allies somehow oppress duda race. Native nations identity. Aspirations aren't about race at all rather about land and sovereignty existence is sovereign nations and re acquiring loss land. Len was taken without treaty without any kind of legitimate treaty or agreement and that includes all federal lands that now exists in national parks and euro of land management. And all the other things that deb hawlan now has control of supposedly so racism could be eradicated completely in the us and hopefully it will be but that would have no relationship whatsoever to native nations demands for restoration of land and full sovereignty. They remain colonized people. You tracing out sort of how in particular like these terms are still used. These images are so used. Think so helpful. But i wonder if you have any thoughts on why that's colonialism. Why why it continues to percent. It's not just that it has but why it's such for some reason. So compelling or continues to be utilized will continues to be reiterated and you know more sense and in some ways but you know we. We were still bear. The constitution itself is is a colonialist document it's what is they call of establishment of fiscal military state. A state made for war. I think confronting that. Us we do focus a lot on guns domestically but if we do that without putting it. In the context of us militarism that's inherent every day in us history and before that seventy years not a day without war. All of these things are exceptional even for the most violent societies Violence stays in history. It is unusual. All of these things are unusual. Because we're what allegance maggie's to call being in the soup of it. We're in the soup of so we don't see it. The only people who are trying to tell about this are native people in there and allies like me. People will historian you know i consider myself the -sarily an ally i. I'm a historian. Feels like we need to tell the truth about history. And it's so obvious if you. I was educated by native people you know in in terms of of the activism of clarifying. Exactly what that history was. History of native people includes all of this analysis. Especially i.
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"Take more land and somewhat to others became real estate. People that tells you a washington made his fortune. He wasn't rich very rich woman. He made his fortune by taking indian land and selling it. He was the biggest real estate broker in the colonies when he became president. I compared to trump. You know the second real estate president. So that's knocking george office dismantle Where he belongs on the ground In that respect so this language militia at the time of the writing of the constitution was also used for the provision estate malicious. It was already written into the constitution before the amendments were added so state militias are provided for in article eight of the constitution so the argument and state militias later became as a national guard. What we know is the national guard today. State national guards so the argument that too many liberals make many gun control advocates make is the second amendment refers to state militias. That doesn't make sense because state militias were already provided for before the second amendment was written. So it's so clearly an individual right says nothing about the state is his. They have to be will organize your wealth of languages that but it means that they're not bandits you know they can't be bandits going out. Robbing rich people are high wind. Then they have a civic mission which is to take land and to take to and to keep enslaved people in slate and not escaping to freedom. So they have a motive. You know that's very very strong as individuals. So i think this is. Something is very hard for people in the united states to.
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"second amendment" Discussed on Red, Blue, and Brady
"Independence and he wrote that every settler was a soldier all these settlers soldiers from early in the spring too late in the fall almost continually armed. Your work was often carried owned by parties. He one of them had his rifle and everything else belonging to his wardrobe. These were deposited in some central place in the field and a sitter was stationed on the outside of the fence so that at least alarm the whole company repaired to their arms or ready for combat in a moment and of course who they were e and trying to keep away where people whose lead they had taken and the people were tried to get it back and also prevent them from extending further into their territories so that that was this hundred seven seventy years of this day after day after day so the us was not founded isn't pristine entity it had a history so when the colonies declare their state in seventeen seventy six each of the colonies. They did so as separate autonomous states and wrote their own constitutions what the you know the constitution that founded the united statements about what's federal bringing them all together but for the first ten years. They were states so they all at constitutions massachusetts new hampshire new jersey pennsylvania vermont virginia adopted individual gun rights masur's in their constitutions a decade before federal constitution included the second amendment and language which was nearly the same as thomas. Jefferson had written for all the virginia constitution. I think one of the things that that's so important about your work and other work as you pointed out that particularly like indigenous offers end scholarship doing for a long time. Is that it. I think it points out this violent history and background. That america has had where colonization is bloody and where the indigenous individuals who are actively being victims of genocide. That's the thing that happens. You have things like the battle of sand creek where its military forces for this eighteen sixties. But you know attacking women and children who have surrendered and things like that and it really that reality contradicts this frontier narratives that i think still still exists of like the cowboy are like the figures like daniel boone. The the last of the mohicans figure right that are celebrated for their exploration or their ability to civilize critical. The land will then wound was. Actually the is actually a stillman core hero of settler colonialism. He has company. You know the elommal signifies the people who died there were also have also been immortalized as as he rose to set. Colonialism moon was first. She sort of like the common man father of the country before you went to the independence led settlers into the ohio country which was against british law. This was still you know. The british empire the british had Made a line on the east side of the appalachian mountains neon witch british settlers were not to go and settle and disturb the native people there in create wars. And those who had already gone there were supposed to be be returned. I personally think this is the number one major reason for us Independence for separating from britain. Is this Constriction you stay here. Get his ridge as you want and continue your life as you are and populate they weren't overpopulated in more people in This is where you're going to stay so daniel. Boone broke those laws and took people in and created wars between between they were all armed all the center. Slowing in andrew jackson are among these centers. For instance an actor independence of what real estate speculators created a myth of daniel one hundred a prototype of the settler as indigenous replacing the native but actually denver was a failed businessman and land speculator. All his so-called hunting was commercial hunt to eat the food. He took the skins of beaver mainly deer skins deer skins were so valuable on the market. That the money came to be call bucks. That's why we call a dollar a buck because of the you know a a dear nail deers of buck so he was a totally commercial operator but that image has come down as a you know. Hunting is sacred things obviously and ritual that a father usually a white white father teaching around twelve years old of teaches his son. You know how to how to Go kill the animals in forest and is completely made up. you know was all commercial. So it's a ritual being performed. That has no. it's a celebration of white settlement. Basically symbolically this this fixation on hunting in the united states i was just going to kind of continue down the line. We're talking about myth versus reality because in the same way that you expose the mythology around hunting versus the reality. What happened another thing you do and load it. Is that you sort of do the same thing with this idea of the militia and you kind of discuss this ongoing debate about what militia means because the second amendment. That often comes up. But you've laid out in the book that that's actually a red herring because distracting from what the second amendment was actually doing at the time and that was sort of guaranteeing the violent appropriation of native land by white settlers as an individual. And so i'm wondering if he's talk a little bit about that. Perception of the militia versus the reality of what it was actually doing in is functioning in early america. Yeah the right for citizens first of all. It's important to remember that only white males were citizens under the us constitution new original constitution. So the right of The second amendment applied to white males. So this right for them to form militias to take indiana bland and to form play. Patrols was guaranteed as an individual right. I do believe that it was meant to be an individual rights the settler. There's no way that any army that could have been formed at the time could accomplished what settlers did with greed landed. They took then became theirs and they could.
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"Everybody. Welcome to another episode of red blue and brady and just like the hundred and forty episodes. That came before. This one i am still one of your host. Jj honor other host. Kelly and in today's episode. I gotta say. I'm fulfilling a longtime red balloon. Brady dream of kelly's young. Thank you from our very first meeting. Kellyanne i've talked about this gas coming on and i am so excited to see it finally happening. I'm so excited. All of your listeners. Finally get to here it happening. I kelly. do you want to do the honors. yes so today. We're joined by the acclaimed historian and author dr roxanne dunbar. Ortiz who's booked loaded a disarming history of the second amendment has been a personal favorite of mine and jj's truly life changing book together or discussing. Not just her many great books because she does have a lot but also her take on. How the second amendment is rooted in racism anti gun. Violence has and continues to target black indigenous and other communities color in the united states. And roxanne could you please introduce yourself and tell us how you would like to be referred to. Yes thank you. Very much roxanne. John borrow cheese. I grew up in not rule. Oklahoma surrounded by guns. I have to say and moved to california in nineteen sixty now. I live in seven. Cisco i'm retired from university. Teaching historian and author editor of sixteen books including of course loaded a disarming history. Second amendment and my specialization. In the field of history is european colonialists in the western hemisphere focused on us cetera colonials in north america which is the basis for us gun. Culture is now. And i have said probably enough time to be uncomfortable. Were huge fans of you and your writing and of loaded. But you know of all of your books which i think kelly and i have a frighteningly large amount of so. We're so excited to have you with us today. And i'd like to start curb sort of talking about your specialization. You know what what compels you to write. Not just about indigenous issues and sort of european colonialism but that those two things intersection with the second amendment. Yeah actually. i don't really right on indigenous issues there. Many many great native american scholars do that. But i i read on the history of you. A set lonnie listen and the conquest of the continent and how that forms society we have today. Culture and the government The structures of the society sweats alive street and gunter inherent to that history The use of for the first corporation. The united states wasn't even the. Us yet was established during the war of independence. It was an armaments factory that alexander hamilton founded in connecticut. I mean in massachusetts and that was you know the very first corporation. The corporations make armaments now are the only ones that have never gone. Offshore neth the country and Had a major export of the united states of armaments From war as lois small-arms for civilians. And there's never been a day in. Us history without war us. War taking place somewhere primarily on north american continent until eighteen. Ninety eight but also the barbary wars against arabs in north africa and during jefferson's term but since then in the rest of the non-european war were wars as well the. Us is the largest producer and exporter. As i said and uniquely among european governments the united states is founded and maintains a constitutional right for individuals to bear arms. No other country does that. Hugh researchers found that seventy five percent of good owners today say that owning a gun is essential to their sense of freedom. And i've heard and read all the mini arguments pro and con about second amendment and found them all lacking in comprehending what second amendment mandated so. I decided to to write a book selling it out. What your book is that. I think a lot of attempts to characterize and trace the origins of the second amendment. Don't do is you trace it way. Earlier than the american revolution and the creation of the constitution to the quote settling of north america itself. So i'm wondering if you talk about. Why the second amendment. If we're going to understand it we have to go all the way back to win you. I came here to colonize it rather than right around. You know revolutionary war. Yeah it's really a good point because most people think that it was sort of thought of only when the constitution was written but all forms of european invasions occupations of non-european lands were violent and destructive but in most the force labor of a native people was the major resource on mexico peru in africa. Africa's were also put into slavery exported as labor around the world than people from india british exported. All around the world is indentured people. After slavery hills along but was sever colonialism. The land itself became the main commodity they sold to european settlers. The indigenous occupants were to be eradicated. And of course they resisted. It took a hundred seventy years for the british to cleanse and occupied the thirteen colonies that hug the atlantic coast. Every day was a day of war somewhere against the native people in what is now what would stand thin. The thirteen colonies now does thirteen states. That still exist on the atlantic coast to that took an enormous amount of firepower as well as counterinsurgency. Counterinsurgency is the burning of a enemy villages. Feels food storage is murdering women and children instead of engaging warriors in those who are fighting actually enticing fighters to come out of their villages and then another force going in and murdering women and children and burning down all of their belongings so eighty years into that process. Sixty seven to the sixteen eighties in the sixteen eighties. African slavery became racially kuna fide. In the colonies slave patrols were formed out of these center militias that had developed to kill indians and take their land and landless white settlers that had acquired the land in this manner were formed by this this experience day after day. Historian joseph dodd ridge was a minister early summer in the ohio country right after. Us.
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"And the response are very few. Were were tried. Very few were convicted. Those who were convicted received pardons so it's like boys will be boys but when you have black people rising up for their freedom like we saw with the eighteen eleven a slave revolt in louisiana and like we saw with the eighteen hundred gabriel's revolt the response has been just in seventeen forty revolt seventeenth thirty nine revolt in stone south carolina the The response has been to make an example a horrific violent tortuous example of those black people. This is what happens when you defy us. This is what happens. When you rise up for freedom we had beheadings and their heads put on spikes and then those those decapitated heads lining the roads up to the plantations as a warning signal to the enslave. This is what happens when you dare to rise up against us. We had disembowelling. Were folks. Were giving it a live just torturous stuff but as a meat mass hangings in the public square in virginia after gabriel's revolt you juxtapose that to the whiskey rebellion and shays rebellion. And you get the disparities in terms of who is a existential threat who is defined as a threat in american society. So as we fast forward. Let's talk about the insurrection. That happened on january. Six and here you have. Why folks overwhelmingly white folks storming the us capital to try to stop the certification of an election. They are talking with each other about guns and having guns and having them nearby so when the stuff jobs it really jumps and they're going to be ready but you don't see that full armed response against these white insurrectionist instead. They're able to cause millions of dollars worth of damage injure over one hundred forty police officers and we what we hear from our elected officials. Is that these. Were no more than tourists. These were liberty loving people. They this was a love fest. Now on tina turner. What's love got to do with it. These were white domestic terrorists who were trying to overthrow the government. But what you see. You don't see that response of threat but remember the black lives matter protests. That happened in the summer. Where you have fully.
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"Welcome back to say what needs saying. I'm zac i'm brandon. And today we have a say would need saying spotlight episode. We're bringing on our listener. Dan to talk about something. That's important to him that he wants to talk about on this platform. Dan was previously on episode. He came on for our panel on mask mandates and mask use and he was our quote unquote anti mask mandate american. And so we're happy to you back and happy to bring up some some topics that are important to you and and dive in so thanks so much for joining us and come back on the show. Yeah glad to be here. Also as you said i i. Am dan jitter myself. Pretty run of the mill average ohioan. That's the state that i am from currently reside in so most of the gun. Laws that i'm used to will be specifically pertaining to the state of ohio. Some of them Obviously vary from state to state that is predominantly What i'd like to talk to day is a second amendment rights a lot of it specifically pertaining to what you can cannot own as a us citizen and how you would go about owning that. And i would like to start off with a our president's recent comments pertaining you f fifteen and nuclear devices in regards to their used to over the government. Let us in lease of what biden has said Hopefully people are tuning in has not going From our old episodes from not sure this is by the now he is one explain. What exactly he said. I don't have the exact quotation but what he didn't affect is you would need more than fifteen to overthrow the us government and then went on to expound on that what you would need to overthrow the. Us government would contain f. fifteens and nuclear devices
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"The california penal code section twelve twenty to twelve or twenty seven and also second amendment of the constitution guarantees the citizen right to bear arms on public property caroline jackson. What's going on there. Did the black. Panthers have a point about the legality of carrying weapons into the california simply. They had a point they really had a point in. And that is what they were carrying those arms in there for they. The black panther party for self defense had come into being as a response to the massive police brutality raining down on black folks it oakland california and their strategy as you can tell they knew the law their strategy was to open carry weapons and and and to keep their the legal distance away from police to monitor police as they were a resting black folk. They were policing. The police was the strategy. The police did not like that. And they ran to don mulford an assemblyman in the california legislature. And said you've got to help us. And so mulford was drafting legislation with the help of the nra that to to ban open carey and the panthers response was we have a right to open carry and because there was no accountability in the system for the violence raining down the black community from the police. And so you see in this moment. The legislature is more concerned with the panthers than they are with the police violence. I think i mean we're talking to you from canada. And i think there are a lot of canadians who find it difficult to understand how to many americans. How integral gun rights are to the american identity. What don't we understand. I mean you've hinted that this could tracing it all the way back to slavery and before but what don't we understand about the identity that part of american identity that that identity is really rooted in a sense of white fear white fear of black people white fear of the indigenous community of white fear of being under siege and that their guns were their way of providing safety insecurity from that fear from those populations And and that sense of of guns are my security against that threat. That racialized threat is what has short-circuited really short short-circuited our ability to have true gun safety laws in this nation. When you say when you say that this is not a pro gun book or anti-gun book. I mean what is it then it..