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RADCast Outdoors Episode #49: Spring Adventures and Ideas for Your Family

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #49: Spring Adventures and Ideas for Your Family

"This episode of rag cast outdoors brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain seasonings. On this episode of the podcast. This week we talk about spring fever getting out getting the kids out outdoors whether it's fishing hunting or just camping. We're going to go over. What some spring activities in wyoming look like how to do them where to go and what you need to be thinking about for the rest of the year sean rad cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here are david laurel and patrick edwards. All right everybody. Welcome to another episode of rag cast outdoors. Thanks for hanging out with us today. Just wanted to let you know that this episode of rag cast outdoors is being brought to you by high mountain seasonings. High mountain is one of our favorite companies to work with. Just because i like food a lot. Probably more than i should. 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Yep so go check them out and if you love this show definitely helps out with rating and a subscription to that that helps us a ton wherever you're listening to that shared out rate at subscribe. It makes a big difference. So let's talk about the spring Everybody's got some cabin fever. I no idea. It's i'm getting tired of me and in the house and you know in eyesight. I kind of want to do something a little bit different. So what do you think we ought to go. Do this spring springs a you know. I really do second to september. Spring is my favorite time right. I'm not a big sled guy. And as i'm getting older and older. I tolerate the cold less and less and less. You can call me whatever you want. But after living in alaska i like to. I like to get my t shirt and go out and and not feel my fingers and nose and toes falling off all day. It's not not say. I won't do it but you know there's some really cool activities and for me in with the business trade show season. Summer is just gone. Shot in it gets worse every year so spring is kind of an a little bit of a lull where i can at least on the weekends not have to be doing the trade show circuit so i definitely like the fall in the springtime of the year. The best. there's a few things that i you know. What are we gotta to get out. And do one is is that i starts to recede off those lakes. The trout are hungry. Especially the high mountain lake trout. And you can go to hike into some of these little lakes you pick a good weekend. Obviously need to watch the weather because wyoming likes to go from seventy two twenty like a state trooper we could. We could be have a t-shirt weather in the wake up the next morning and have eight inches of snow and twenty degrees. So those of you who live in wyoming just a couple of weeks ago. We're in the sixties and here in the next few days parts of our state are scheduled to get three feet of snow is like fifty mile an hour winds so it can turn on. A dime around here can go crazy last summer My wife and my mother and my kids decided to go hike to the falls in lander And they you know saw a little bit of cloud. They didn't check the weather it's august. They had a thunderstorm. Come over and just it went from seventy degrees to forty five and just pouring and they were halfway hiked to the falls and decided to turn around so watch that weather or you know. Be prepared in wyoming. I've had plenty of years in september. We get a freak snowstorm. It'll be eighty degrees hot. Oh man it's gonna be a rough elk. And then all of a sudden we got six inches of snow. I'll never forget. It was july fourth one year and we went up to burke lake. I just a picnic. You know just to get out and do something. Different lodges pretty awesome. It's gorgeous and but we got up there. It was ninety five degrees down here in riverton and it snowed on us up. There just tells you. I mean it's not that far away it's an hour and a half from here and it's just crazy how the weather can turn i mean. It's it's insane but definitely i like to I like to utilize my four wheeler and some of those roads that they're they're open but they have big enough snowdrifts. You can't get a pickup around but there's you know most the roads dry so you don't want to be on a snow machine up and down that if you if you're careful you can get a four wheeler into some of those smaller high mountain lakes and if the ice is just come off the dried or maybe just the of its open you go do some wet flies dry flies especially if you can hit one of those first hatches either. The may fly the mosquito. You can have some fun. Nominal phenomenal fly. Fishing in wyoming. That's one thing. I love to get out and do and if you can get kids up there. They're almost guaranteed to catch something which is great. Oh you can take literally a cane bowl right and anti ten feet align in a fly and a kid can throw that out and every cast fly to water now. Sometimes they're fingerlings right. Sure but catching three hundred fish in an hour. It doesn't matter how big they are and that sounds like a lot of fun so another one. We did episodes spring turkey. Right if you if you want some more info on that go back and check that out. But that's coming up and i love spring turkey. That's definitely something to if you've never done that. You know definitely put it on the books go sheriff. The weather forecast go do that. Yes so another one thing about is. I really like to eat food. Patrick hi. i'm a sucker for that to you. So and i. I'm a little bit of a wild game hoarder and you know we cook quite a few spaghetti. Elk whatever dinners. I like to cook steaks. That's barbecue steaks. That's my favorite food potatoes and state but this time of year. I like to go through and take Not last fall. But the previous fall whatever's kinda leftover. Do a little bit of freezer maintenance and we do mystery meat grind. There you go. We take the leftover deer antelope and elk. And usually you know whatever this or that. It's an i do a vacuum sealing on all my meat so it's good for about three seasons before if the bag doesn't get a hole in it yes but we'll We'll go through and do a a weekend grind day of grind whole bunch of that meat and we'll make summer sausage high mountain summer sausage kit but that way for all these spring and summer events in all i've got a whole bunch of summer sausage. We take one we go and that's the easiest thing when kids need a snack when you need a snack to cut off a junk a summer sausage take some crackers. Take some cheese. I can tell you when. I'm out fishing and you've got a block of you know summer sausage in a block cheddar cheese and crackers. Oh boy and is heaven so if you haven't tried the high mountain seasoning summer sausage. Get you gotta try it. It's so good it's louisiana easy fine grind some meat mix it up. Put it in the sausage and cook it so it's so easy but you know the other couple of things is just sprang camping. We usually get the camper out. Get it get the cobwebs. Dust it out and our favorite place to go for a first camping trip is always down to the gorge in a wind river canyon right below the dam. Try and get one of the slots and just usually the weather's bad it doesn't you know no matter what weekend we picked. But we'll go for a night or two and that way we get fresh food stockton the camper like get the cobwebs blown out and get all the stuff that goes with it so we're ready to go on some of the bigger longer camping trips. Spring bear is another one. That's coming up that we haven't really talked about that. I really love to bear. Meat is phenomenal to eat. Make sure you cook extra well. Cook it all the way. Yes unless you want to get sick with worms. Privy to study in oregon forty percent of the black bears have trick analysis. So you definitely don't want those things crawling around inside you so cook your meat very very well unbear- but it is a really good meat to eat i. Spring bear. baiting is really a fun. 'cause it's a it's a mix of you know i wouldn't say the hunt is difficult as elk right. It's not the thrill of the chase. Something bait up and what's really fun especially with kids is to go pull the cards and the sd on the camera. Come back and you know. Start patterning bears and getting to see lots of pictures lots of bears. That's the one thing we've talked about whether you're taking a kid fishing or turkey hunting or whatever activity you're going to. Do you want to schedule that activity to where you can be successful right saying. Hey i'm gonna take my kid and guardrail cutting kill a six point bowl at the lofty goal to great goal. I'm not saying don't do it. What i'm saying is you might earn that kit before you get that bailout killed right but if your goal is to catch some perch or to go look at pictures of bears. Right or high mountain lake trout. You know those fingerlings are pretty easy to catch if you get in the right lake. Some of the lakes are a little too far for the little guys to hike. So be cognizant of that and watch the weather and make sure you got snacks for them but those are a couple activities that we really and we try and get a spring bear hunt or two in try and get a turkey hunt in definitely get out and do a little fishing. It's just it's too easy to not get out of the house and go enjoy what we have here. Yeah in the ice off around. Boise is a great time to get somebody out in a boat and go trolling around for walleye and trout. So i mean you can get out there and get some fishing success right off the bat bass lake. I love to go out there for the little perch. Take the kids out in the boat and just get off the side of the boat. Catch tons of them you know. They're not going to be huge. But hey you're gonna have a good time anyway but what about Happened practicing 'cause you know it's it's a good idea. You're the bow hunter but it's idea to start practicing early in the season before it's actually august. So safety is definitely number one right before. I tell this tipped some people. You really need to make sure your being safe with this. I have a targeted in the house. I don't like the wind and the cold already told you when it's when it's minus fifteen patrick. I'm not going outside shooting bill. I don't blame you. And i have little kids. So be cognizant. I have a targeting in the one of the rooms of the house and i'm shooting two yards right and i shoot one or two arrows but it just is to get go through form go through keeping muscle tone just you know. Shoot my bow. Try and shoot it as much as possible. But now that i can get outside and we're going to have three season coming up definitely if you've never gone to one of these three d. shoots as far as a bow hunter year. You're missing out and the cool thing with the three d. shoots is instead of shooting at a paper block bagged target. That's just a square blob. You know you have these three target animals and everybody can shoot at a two inch dot and say is close. I almost got it. You get an uphill downhill shot on an actual life-size dear when you miss you miss. And there's no. I was close to the dot. So and there's a difference in your brain instead of looking at a two foot by two foot square target than looking at an actual animal and and picking your spot so as far as one of my biggest things i've noticed in the archery industry. Is everybody in other gonna go our alcon september. I will august fifteenth. They pull their bow out from putting away last september and go. I need a peeper. A de looper. A string or in paper tuned or oh. Somebody stepped on my bow in the last ten months. And they try and rush into these dealers and get their work on two weeks before season. Well guess what those guys are. They're busy they're they're selling new bose. I've got one hundred people in line waiting to get their stuff fixed. So what i like to do. Patrick is if i'm gonna upgrade sites or to repay per tune or definitely you know. Put a new string in. I'm pretty much shooting through string every year and shoot a couple dozen shots every day all year long and then get into summer where i shoot quite a bit more than that that string and they'll be a video on youtube. You just need to wax your strings. Pretty regularly removed that excess wax but as that string starts to break down. It's just you know that's where the wear and tear is. It's a lot of force going through there. So i like to get a new spring put on my boat or a new string put on my bow now so that string can get a shot in be. I can get everything ready for tuned. Get my peop- to quit. Rolling in and shops right now aren't busy. You go in there. I need a string are. They're looking for work. Yes so you know you can. You can get a lot better customer service if you're in in the next four six eight weeks then if you wait till june into july and august is i. I don't even wanna go near a bow shop in august but for me. I want by the time i hit august to be one with the bow right uh-huh and have shot it enough that you don't move my rest you don't move my site we're not putting a new de looper string you know my peop- isn't going to go up a quarter inch down. I've shot that bo and know where it shoots. Where i shoot and i don't want to mess with it and now if something catastrophic happens y'all still put it all together and get ready to go but just just like with your fishing equipment or your boat or anything else. You don't wanna be going into a ten day alcon with because for me. It's always in the back of my mind. Is this really paper. Tuned is a site on. Yeah right is that loop in the right and that. That's that just that worry and fear. Can i can crush you more than whether the bow shooting on our offer. Not so yeah. I mean same thing like you were talking about with fishing. If you're drag system doesn't work you're not gonna land that fish. I mean you're not going to have any backbone to to put into the fish nothing to stop them. And so you know. I was telling you i went fishing just here recently and i was tests. Now my drag systems does not my wind making sure everything was good at put brand new line on it. I cleaned the over the wintertime. Because that's a good wintertime activity when you're stuck inside but you're actually putting it to the test against decent size fish. I mean we're catching twenty two twenty three inch brown trout. You know and that data will tell you pretty quickly whether you're drag systems working well or not with your line's going to be you know where it needs to be so same kind of thing. If you wanna be successful you gotta make sure your equipments get in. You know with doing the bow hunting thing. You definitely want to work out the kinks now. The because if you have like catastrophic failure you need something where something major has to get fixed. The guys at the bow shops are ready to do that. So you can get it in easy and the other one is all the new bows are out and guys are always looking at new bose. Now's the time to get one. If you're if you're want upgradable upgrade get the new one. The thing i cringe about is that there's two two types of these guys one is i told you about. Don't touch it till august twentieth. I'm leaving september first. And oh i need all this stuff fixed and i'm leaving in ten days and now it's you know it's your fault that i'm in a rush but then the other one is i didn't draw rifle tags so fine. I'll just go archery hunt with my buddies. And we've we've talked with a couple people about this. Is you know if you're going to go hunt. Now's the time to get a bow. Get out start practicing. Make sure and instead of being able to hit that paper plate make sure shooting a two or three inch group at whatever distance right yep and so. Don't be that guy that walks in. I would say i had these clients when i guided elk hunting rifle right. They were always from out of state. They're coming on their first guided elkin and they left their favorite. You know thirty six three. Oh eight to seventy a home and they said all i gotta have a three hundred win mag or a three thirty eight lithuania. Or you know big mistake. Three hundred from huge mistake because those guys were leaving a rifle their two seventy at home that they can shoot shoot. Well yeah. Maybe it's a. It's a shorter range cartridge. Then the the three thirty eight lapuma is but those guys were flinching. So bad you know. We'd take him out shootin hundred yards to make sure they could shoot and it's like why don't you take pine my guide gun my to seventy that. I is on unless you leave your brand new three thousand dollar whatever here because you obviously you know they go hunt. I'm getting a brand new gun today. Just don't do that now. Is there some people out there. That can shoot. Yeah you can handle many gun on the market and they can go shoot with but again knowing your equipment knowing its limitations knowing your you know just what your equipment is a good. It's a good plan. So right now's the time to start thinking about prepping your bow and you for elk season so one thing. That's also really good about this time of year to get some d. Which is important you know. Most of us are pretty darn white at this point. You know like you. And i bet you. We could blind somebody if we took our shirts off. I've been staring at a computer screen for five months. Exactly so you wanna get some sunshine and one of the best ways to do that this time of year. I know i take my kids down here on the creek fire houses to shed hunting and just walk around to see what you can find in the spring so talk to us a little bit about shed hunting so you know. In this state there are some seasons in some closed areas and smoking areas. And you need to be cognizant of that because the deer alker coming off winner. They're at their lowest body weight of the year. And there's no for it yet. They're still trying to survive on the. What's leftover of the winter. Feed same thing you look at the Fields the cattle in there. Pretty much all in bare dirt fields. There's nothing left left. And they've already used up all their reserves in their body so they really are at their worst and we have a storm coming. That's going to be twenty four to thirty six inches of snow. If you're going into these areas that are you know habitat protected. Those signs are up there. So that those elk or not feeling pressure to not trying to evade you as a predator and the actual predators activate so wrong or indifferent. I really think we should leave the deer and elk grounds alone for a couple of weeks. Those sheds aren't going anywhere. They're gonna lay right there. I know it's a foot race to get to him. And yeah it's cool and it's exciting to find on you know. But like i said those. Those high traffic areas have signs and have people nope no people present. You know through the fifteenth of may for reason. Yeah right so just cool your jets. A little bit on the shed hunting and go go do it. Certainly and by then those season dates are sit there for a reason is the green shoots have come up across the state. There's is for the they're no longer really in in that critical danger zone of all right now transitioning from winter to summer. Yeah and some of the Live in a state where you may not have regulations like that game and fish here is definitely trying to protect our animals and keep the pressure off of them They they have a hard enough winter here. And if you wanna talk about went on the fifteenth some of these places have one hundred and fifty vehicles parked to go out shed hunting. It's it's combat. Shed hunting. i don't partake in it because it just. I don't neither doesn't look like much fun. But there's some some creek bottoms. There's some you know the backside of private that you can access publicly and legally but walks fence lines walks and see. That's what we do here at. My place will walk the fence line and you know every once in a while we'll find a meal dear shed or white tail shed and it's really cool because the kids they get really excited about it because like oh this brown gold is but the i have two things that fall under brown gold one is sheds and i do like the brown ones and i am a little more fond of the sheds than the meal there and a little more out of the meal deer then the white tail. I'll just i'll put that. I'm not. I'm not gonna leave a whitetail shit on the ground. I'm not gonna leave spike or good horn. But i'd way rather found a big six point brownie than anything but i really really like and you. It's really weather dependent super seasonal. But anywhere you have cottonwoods you will get morales yes. We need to talk about mushrooms mushrooms and mushroom hunting. And i you know i. I am not the greatest mushroom hunter in the world. But i have. I have stumbled a couple times. A pawn some morale's so as far as mushrooms go. There's actually quite a few different things. So you got the morales. My absolute favorite they looked like pine cone. All they're so good. And i've got some as big as a soda can bigger before. But they're typically in the. I don't know strawberry size sometimes. A little bigger. It's it just depends on where you're out in the growth that year but yeah and they. They don't last very long. No they don't and you know around here. There's not tons and tons of them. Like if you go up into. Idaho washington oregon. There's a lot more of them. Bring bear hunting and oregon. I've had a five gallon bucket before That's good stuff he asked. Some morales are good. Also you have a lion's mane And those are really good. I don't know if you've ever had those but it's one of my favorites and then the puffer puffer ball ones that you can get lived in. We used to get those every spring. Definitely get a mushroom book yet. Because there's some that you will not enjoy. You may never eat mushrooms again. You may never eat again Yeah and then over here. You i know in my tree row. We have elm trees and we get those oysters. Shell mushrooms on those. Those are really good. They're kind of like a portabella. As far as like the meaty meaty texture. Really good you know. He sliced those up and cook them in some butter. Oh boy that's a heck of a good meal and so yeah. Mushroom hunting stephanie. A big one And that's definitely a good springtime ac activity to take the kids on. There's on the other one. That's not super publicized. Everybody does Hunting all winner and it's easiest in the snow right. But i really like to do some spring hunting and You can decoy them with a dog. And you can do some research. But you can be very effective in the spring hunt coyotes. The other one too because we have river systems around here like big and were in the wind river. The plot is asparagus on. If you like asparagus. We do have wild asparagus here in wyoming and it does grow along the shorelines of the rivers. So if you're into that that's disparity some mushrooms and some ilk where some walleye trout. Yeah out some good stuff right there but they do grow and typically harvest them. It's an april may kind of thing but that is a really fun activity. We went last year and of course we saw lots of different things We had a water snake. Scare my daughter about half to death but That's definitely a fun way to get out and about and just talk about nature and and see the different bugs that are coming out. That was one of the things we did. We stopped along the edge of the big horn river. And we're looking at the different bugs. That were starting to come out and talking about the fish talking about know what's living under the rocks and larva and the different things so definitely a good spring activity. Get your kids on you. Got periwinkles hatching. So fishing's turning on it. Just you know. There's a myriad of get outdoors gets vitamin d. The weather's turning for the better. I and that list right there should Should pretty well cover. If he can't do that justice while and there's one other thing he got to do when you get one of those nice sixty s seventy degree days as the sun's going down get out the firepit russell mollahs just hang out as a family. That's like one of the best activities you can do. One one of the things reason. We bought our house where it's at as the sun sets in the mountain view is just i cannot get enough of the first year. We bought our house every night. I took a picture of it. I quit taking pictures now. 'cause i have hundreds of sunset pictures but as the sun goes down behind the wind rivers and we're fortunate here we get like three hundred clear days right. It's a great place for solar now. It's not always warm. But no almost every day i can look at it. Those wind rivers. And if i'm not in them. I can at least be enjoying them. David's got the best view of wendover mountains. I mean he's got a phenomenal view. I don't have that view. Unfortunately where i'm at. But i do have the alc- creek mountains which is pretty cool too so but the river. She can't beat them. I mean with that sunsetting over the top. It's just gorgeous. The only the only thing better is to be camping in them. We have said up there. That's true and i really liked to go up. Above lander we try and get up there and do a little bit of all these activities and try and get some of those lakes and it's just a neat and it's close home right. Yeah thank goodness. Yeah and you know if you do live in this area the sinks canyon state park in the trails. I mean you just can't beat it for the springtime because it's accessible and it's well maintained and decent trail head nice place to park. So if you're planning a visit to yellowstone national park if you're from outside the state and you're thinking about coming coming early as always a either come earlier goal. Eight has my piece of advice. Yeah and spend a couple of days around. You got miran junction. You got alpine thane aften. You've got jackson. You know you've got do boys cody. You definitely think about doing a fishing trip or just in although the wild sheep foundation there in do voices worth it. They now have the military museum and do boys. That's on your way. If you're coming from the east coast anywhere you have to go right through there and if you want a really good episode that bighorn sheep foundation one You can go back and listen to that and learn what they're all about. They have some really fun activities. That you can do with your kids Trail lakes up there around. Do boys you can take the kids up there. Works like law looks like lodge. I mean there's just so many cool things to do up here stephanie. Worth it and there's a couple of cool views of the tetons as you drive in through. So i love that toguchi pass when you head over the top and so pretty. The other thing that you can do is grizzly bear spotting in the spring especially toguchi up to up from iran into the park but You know especially right there on you know going over togolese because they mow the sides of the road and they get all that extra snowplow so it gets a little more moisture than just further out. It gets exter- from plowing. They green up a little more and all those green shoots those bears kind of come to the road and are grazing on and they get pretty habituated to traffic. Yeah video there'll be three hundred cars taking pictures of some of those bears and there's there was One big bore. That was a a salad aboard that. Were almost living on the road. This last spring and getting a lot of photos of them is there any creature. I don't really care for them when i'm out. L. cutting we. We all know that. But you know from the safety of my vehicle to watch one of those things. It's pretty impressive. As definitely not a petting zoo said. Don't go out there. Go to no close picture every year. We've either got a tourist at get gored by bison or an elk or a christly bear or with. This is not a petting zoo. Stay in your car. Don't feed the animals. Don't be those people that we read about on the news. I mean it happens every year and it just blows my mind. I'm like okay. These are wild animals. This is not. This is not a tame. Animal petting zoo kind of situation. This is like jurassic park. You got stay faraway and you know one one piece of advice as fido is probably best left at home depot and the the biggest reason that is is wolves a wanna kill fido and be you know bears the same way they're gonna they're gonna wanna kill wolves that's just that's their their battle and balanced and so they bring me fido's dogs is just gonna escalate. Have my dog hike in this. And that you know when i told you lived in alaska i had the dog tied on the porch and more than once. She woke up and usually a black pair but there was twice. We had a a juvenile grizzly. And he come in. And i had to chase him off and he he turned twice looked around. Stood up of you. Know he didn't just get on all fours and run away and both times you could kinda see him thinking. Can i still get up on that porch and that dog in all. and that's those alaskan bears. Are ho boy. That guy was a big animal. I got a few pictures and it was taller than the hood on my truck. So that's fair. yep so there's a lot opportunities for you this spring david and i hope that you get out there. I know we're going to get out there. I've got some more fishing to get done. And i know david has some some definite ideas on some turkeys. He wants to go kill so that'd be a lot of fun and we wanna get our kids out there. I mean we're going to. I know for my family. We're gonna do the fishing. We're gonna do the asparagus hunting. And maybe some mushrooms and check the tree rows out and go find other. Yeah definitely gathering up. You know whatever's leftover. There's so many cool crafts you can do with sheds the simplest one is cut the berle off on a band saw Hit it on a belt. Sandra quick and you can run one screw through black block of wood into the back in the antler. You have a really cool coat. Rack hat rack for your boys. You know daughter's room. Yep they can find their shed and my son was three. When he found his first five point bullock shed we upright in actually in fall. But i got a picture of him with that shed and i've taken that shed and two screws in the back of it. Sure you know just put it on the belt. Sander off the borough barely stand a little off the fifth point so it would sit flat on that board. Run two screws through the would into the back. And i just pilot hold just a little You know took a drill. Bit pilot hold into the antler just little bit smaller than just sheet. Screw screw that it's in. His room hangs simple super simple. Super cheap aboard an an and two screws. Right if you gotta drill and that's a it's a cool brought father son father daughter project that you know for years. They're going to look at it and go. Hey i found that shed. Now i get it in my room so i don't sell any sheds i i got a bone pilot and my wife sometimes says i'm a dog because anything bad or stinkier out and i'm dragging going and look what i failed. Yeah i took one couple of years ago and took the i found a big white del shed and i took the base of that and i made a knife handle out of it. And so you can do partial tang full tang. Use that bandsaw like you were talking about and you can split it for the full tang or you can drill it out for the partial tang. gets some poxy you know. Get some pins to drive through it if you're doing a full tank but you can make some cool knives. And they sell blanks so like if you wanted to do like skinning knife or something like that you can go buy a blank online have it shipped to you and then take your antler and you know. Make sure you have a band saw or something like that to cut them but you can make some really cool stuff with them. I mean it doesn't cost a lot of money takes a little bit of time but it's a lot of fun and it's something that you'll remember so that makes it really cool now. My my really unique sheds don't get caught up in a special pile and hey look at this one so that is cool and there is there is a market out there for them they pay by the pound and i know a lot of guys do very very well. Shed hunting. so it's what's really cool about the shed hunting as a renewable resource right. Oh yeah absolutely. So low impact. It's a great get get a little bit of cardio going get to get outside the wind in your face. Get the vitamin d. What whatever you're gathering you know we are hunters and gatherers. I'm okay with the you know the mushroom hunting is actual hunting gathering good. It's always good i. That's a great place to finish so get get out there. Get doing something. Get the blood flow on. And i'm most excited about here in a big old turkey. Gobble get out there before daylight and set up and yeah like we talked about you get to go from completely still. Everything's asleep to forces completely live and then if we don't get a turkey it's snack and naptime. Hey and there's nothing wrong with that. So hopefully david will go out there and whack turkey and we'll we'll get to hear all about that but Again go check out. Our website ranked cast outdoors dot com. We've got the high mountain seasonings recipe of the week. Coming up here shortly. So don't don't end this episode till you've heard that part i don't forget about our other sponsors lures there if you need to get a few more fishing lures for your tackle box to get out their official always needs more. 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RadCast Outdoors Episode #59: Custom Rifles, Long Range Shooting, Ballistics and Shooting with Matt Good

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #59: Custom Rifles, Long Range Shooting, Ballistics and Shooting with Matt Good

"This episode of rag cast outdoors brought to you by pk. Lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on hunting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards. Hello and welcome to another episode of rag castile doors. I'm patrick edwards. I'm david merill and we are here once again with our good buddy maggot. How are you doing good. Thank you there was no pun. Intended on our good buddy. Gotta have some fun with that. So we had matt on to talk last time about search and rescue. But i really am intrigue. Because i don't know anything about it but matt builds custom rifles. So i wanted to bring you in to talk a little bit about that And tell us about what you make and what your business is all about. So i build custom rifles and Man that's a good question. What is my business all about. Just helping people get the rifle they want. It's custom rifle and wanted to be exactly what they want it to be. So that's kind of my goals to make sure that customers one hundred percent satisfied that rivals what they envisioned. Let's start with or better and it's not just rifles right. I mean you guys do some handguns and some other things too right. Yes so kind of the bread and butter. The stuff that i really enjoy is the custom rifles. The precision rifles is kind of what i specialize in but obviously he deal in that realm. There's a niche to especially in our community with just general gunsmith thing gun repair type stuff. Sarah coat is one of the processes to finish the rifle. So that's kind of almost become. Its own little specialty. Little service that. I do as well. So tell us what that is. So it's like a. It's a firearms finish ceramic spray on bacon type. Finish it's supposed to be one of the best one of the toughest out there so a lot thinner than powder coat and a lot tougher. Yeah yeah. I don't know about the i i'm thinking it's way tougher But yeah definitely thinner and yet it outperforms like park. Rising are hot blowing as far as Corrosion and abrasion resistance. So how do you apply that you have to have some specific equipment. Her yeah the process is is kind of simple Start out with decreasing so acetone Get rid of all the grease and then some sandblasting with aluminum. Oxide like one hundred and fifty grade aluminum oxide and depending on the material if it's aluminum plastic or steel bearing. Psi's that the spray it out or Edge it i think is the the right term and then from there more acetone to make sure it really really clean New spray on the finish and then it goes into the oven and bakes you know depending on again the material For a couple of hours so out sounds like a lot of labor. It is a lot of labor kinda time intensive you can spend quite a bit time between setup in cleaning your your spray gun and everything else and then let it sit in the oven for the the needed. Time to cure so yeah it does take some time but that's why it's expensive. That's probably out of my face. Well you know. We're sitting here in the post spider headquarters. And i think half of the half the critters on the wall where were shot with about a four hundred forty green arrow travelling three hundred feet a second. It's it's pretty pretty lethal. But the other half were you know harvested with with little projectiles at pushed by a smokeless powder and we don't discriminate. Here matters you however you put protein on the ground is fine with us and we we can I appreciate a nice fine firearm. That can shoot a nice group but a couple of hundred yards. That's you know having gone from being handed a a semi auto too seventy at sixteen years old and that that could shoot about age group at two hundred yards to l. right now. my my go-to is just a tika. T. three superlight in six loaded. Some of gone through a couple different renditions of the load and the the newest one is the hornets xs. It's a point five at one hundred yards. Yeah with with a factory barrel factory trigger you know and it's just a three two nine by forty scope so it's nothing we're not talking about your your level of stuff right it. It is neat when you go from. You know you get handed that eight inch so four inch group at one hundred yard rifle to a half inch group at a hundred. Yeah yeah. I remember those days like you know as a an old i think mine was like a mauser action you know is all my aunts and uncles used it. When they were little kids and hit a pipe played one hundred yards. You go. you know it's just you and your iphone. Now go out and shooting range finder and a win meter to calculate it's like kinda miss the simple simple days. You're you're no longer one hundred eighty nine shooting pipe at thousand right exactly so so that brings me to something i wanted to ask you about is a long distance. Shooting thing has become huge across the united states. And i know you spend a lotta time building guns to do just that so talk a little bit about what kind of rifles. You're making a just kinda why that is such a big deal anymore. There's i guess you could say kind of two different customers that that i see most commonly and you have the competition guys that shoot. Manchester pure style matches Those require you know a precision rifle precision components And then like the the guys we see on the wall here The spend the money on the q the sitka gear to go way back in the back country on a super expensive hunt and can't can't mrs shot or don't want to miss a shot on like that So i would say the the long range. I guess kinda does extend your theology. But there's there's a side of that where it's like it doesn't do any good without training and not knowing what you have or or how to account for win trade-offs too right so accustomed competition bench match gone. Right is gonna be happy. I mean they just are and if you get time to go watch both spiders later. Sheep film you'll understand. You know where we're taking these rifles and what we're doing ounces matter. Yeah and so it's it's a trade off of. Yeah you're gonna you're gonna sacrifice a rifle may not perform as well you know when we're talking out past six hundred yards. But if you're lugging this thing around for fifty sixty miles when ounces matter you know if you can go from eleven pound rifled down to a seven pound rifle. It's that's a. That's a lot of extra meals in my backpack. Yeah yup absolutely. That's that's the thing you know all that. The hunting rifles. It seems like build. These days are all carbon-fiber carbon-fiber stock carbon-fiber barrel Titanium actions Yeah wait is is a huge consideration for the hunters angie's precision coming from the outfitting background. And i'd like to stress and just building that tika t. three superlight in they. They don't even build on that light anymore. But i think it was five point. Seven ounces bear and then everything added up. i'm under seven pounds without rifle. Six has more recoil than my three hundred. Three hundred mag like nine and a half pounds. Yeah and then when you you actually now when you're in the hunting i never felt recoiling in that in the moment right but at the bench. I'm not joking my three hundred realm which is a you know if you know anything. It's it's a bigger caliber. I can put twelve rounds. Threw it at the bench before. i'm like. Yeah that's a good. That's a good day. That thirty out six that little light thing. The third round went. I'm getting enough got hammered enough. He'd had i had her. It's the three hundred rama's a big push. It gives you a little bruising. The thirty six is just a snappy punch it stings right off the bat. That's doesn't sound like to me. So what what's the popular caliber type of gun. That's coming through your shop. What are people asking for. It depends on the year Seemed like last year. It was all a ton of twenty eight ostler since a great round. you know seven millimeter bullets anywhere from one hundred sixty two hundred ninety grain bullets. That one was really popular last year and this year was a bunch of six five. Prc's season three hundred prc's So it is a little bit trendy it just kinda depends on what's popular. Today's day and age. It's just whatever you can find brass for a good point saw but those are this last year Hands down a bit more six five. Prc's than anything a great great hunting around you know neat neat little route so no my brother. Just got the three hundred pr see. And i was comparing that my three hundred rum and it does everything actually even a little better than the three hundred rum with twelve marines less powder so i mean you got less felt recoil and it's it's using efficient powders to basically achieve the same ballistic coefficients and feet per second. Yeah yeah it's super close I think it's yeah. If there was a middle ground between like a three hundred win mag and three hundred ultra magnus. That'd be that one. And i was like. I didn't think there was middle ground. But there was. They really did sweet spot with that one. Yeah three quills not terrible. It's not like the ultra mag push. But i yeah and of a wimp for that round. I was looking at us. Three thirty eight lapuma. And i think the three hundred. Pse is is a better all around choice. Yeah it's it's a neat round. I think if i were gonna build one for myself to go hunt in wyoming it would probably be that one I like thirty cal. Might be excessive. But i think i'd probably build myself with three hundred. See i like it. So do you do. Customers get to pick their action and then kind of build up a rifle from their house. The process start. Yeah definitely pick their own action their own stock And that's kind of what got me into the rifle building. Is i bought my first custom rifle from a guy in idaho he built. He builds an amazing. He's probably one of the best rifle. Builders in the country really well known builds great stuff by got it and it wasn't like totally custom custom you know So it didn't wasn't grateful but it just wasn't totally satisfied with it and so that's one thing. When i started like i wanna i wanna make sure i keep these things so yeah i always let the customer and pick of times. They they say. What's your recommendation. And i do have actions or in barrels and stocks. I prefer over others. So i i understand that. That side of like limited choices because some of the stuff isn't it's not all made equally so on my mind goes to somebody wants customs handrail or somebody wants a custom computer. You're still going to have a generic. Hey you wanna go with an ls engine where you wanna go. you know. we're we're not talking. We're going to go down and actually start mellon receivers and start making new brass and making a new cartridge. You're gonna pick a cartridge you're gonna pick a a well known action receiver and then build it from there. Yeah yup absolutely so. Yeah if you don't have any idea what these parts are like patrick collins like hey i just want a nice rifle and we. You know we'd start by asking to do with it you know so that dictate how how big barrel your what barrel contour carbon fibre carry. The rifle should be. I really like patrick. What are you going to use this for. Let me help you figure this. And that's totally okay and so yeah start with that. What are you gonna use the rifle floor and then we figured out you know the parts and we can get. You can ballpark idea what it'll cost and sometimes dictates what the parts we go with so when my two cents on know getting a new rifles great practice with it awesome right. I had way too many clients that had a integrate reliable to seventy or thirty six. Come on their first guided count and had to go. Buy some three hundred magnum of some kind and show up and couldn't shoot the thing right and so i don't carry an. I've seen elk fall the to forty. Three's right so you don't have to have anyone. Don't i saw whether we came out with a six five three seven eight. I think it is or three three eight. It's it's it's it's a sweet caliber but it's got almost the most felt recoil of any any rifle in the market. Yeah yeah yeah. That's a great point. It's you definitely have to be familiar with your equipment. The best rifle on the world doesn't help you if if you're not a good shot so yeah you can get the job done with much. Lesser custom rifles. You know jack o'connor went all over the globe and killed everything with the two seventy except for a couple of the really big dangerous once. He opted for hot sick so he can to heavier bullet. Right times have changed. And everybody's pretty. I mean it's not just in you know rifles. It's a lot of different industries. Those you see the same thing. Everybody's looking for that. You know a little bit less weight or this or that more feet per second fishing. You know you're looking for this type of rod versus that type around. I mean there's lots of different. The carbon fiber in the last in fishing rods in the last fifteen years and i don't know which industries pushing the the curve on that right but we now have carbon-fiber barrels. We know have carbon-fiber bows. We've covered fiber eros. We get carbon-fiber rods carbon-fiber in our cars everything right lanes. Yeah so but i. I will say that you know you look at. The technology curve with compound bows specifically. When i first started i mean i had a round wheel bow with aircraft cable and you know composite one piece limbs not these five you know basically fiberglass limbs and i it was. It was ninety four. I think i got that bowen and it was shooting. Maybe two hundred and twenty feet a second in on it was noisy and had a ton of vibration. Now i mean. I'm at like three hundred and six feet a second with a four hundred and forty grain. Herro with no sound and notation and rifles. I'm sure it's similar deal if you were to pick up a yellow to seventy made in the nineteen seventies and compared to something that you build. There's a huge difference. Yeah yeah absolutely. And i think that's kind of weird that the differences like you're saying you'll get the job done with an old remington seven hundred chambered in two seventy and go kill anything on the planet with it The custom rifles. it's kind of a refinement you start really wanting to. I guess most people that by customer. I flirted looking to extend the range. And that's going to be a game of of stacking all the odds possible in your favor. so yeah it's it is kind of like going. Maybe from the toyota corolla or the ford f. To fifty like you mentioned earlier to a corvette or you know kind of a supercar where you have the best parts possible and it's gonna it's gonna perform better than anything you can buy from the factory So definitely not necessarily to go kill animals but if you start stretching things out you wanna stack everything you can all the on at that point. Are you starting to see a lot of those guys who are doing those competition shoots coming to you for custom guns yes a couple. Not a ton It doesn't seem like that communities too big central. I like gun. Works up in cody. They've got quite a bit of that going on. And then i know of some guys down and learn that do quite a bit of shooting I think there's a small community around here But not a lot of the p. r. s. stuff but Yeah so one thing wyoming does do is it breeds long distance shooters because i mean i built a three hundred blackout when i lived in alaska as my wolf count right. Yeah 'cause hundred yards a long shot in that sub boreal forest. You know just it's black spruce and you know the trees are four inches diameter. But they're just get great. Yeah i moved out here. And i had that. Ar and i was going out hunting him like three hundred blackout has about two hundred yard range and it's done and i went Okay so we. We have upgraded graded that to a six five grand real quick. Yeah miami's not many places you can't see less than six hundred yards. Yeah yeah although with the smoke lately it's been a little rushing we're used to. That's all right yeah. So what's your favorite gun to build if you had to pick one. What's your favorite Put together for a client or do you have one so there are some parts that i like better than others. Probably i would say like a big horn action or lone peak action. Those two seem to move my favorites. I like the way they feel. They seem to function well. ban and all the barrel manufacturers Brooks bartlett th. They're all top of the line. They build really really great barrels I'd probably go with one of them. Proof research if you wanna do carbon. They make great allsteel barrels to and then the stocks. There's the that's where things get dicey. There's some stock makers that don't make things as well as others I build i trust. Ag composites that's probably ninety percent of rifles. I build or at least hunting rifles. I build are putting ag composite stock super lightweight. And there's a there's a big difference just in the grip of of one of those stocks if you you can get basically a a two zero degree grip right target shooting grip so it's only. Yeah yeah right. Yeah but if you're in hunting situation in you try and free hand that rifle. It's it's uncomfortable shoot. It's designed to be in a prone position. Only yeah yeah. The stocks are definitely something like a personal preference type item. So yeah he has a lot of different models to choose from So that's kind of neat and then like all. The chassis manufacturers. A bunch of them out. There like masterpiece arms an md t- xl are. They'll build really good stuff so it's like you almost can't go wrong with a lot of these parts like everybody's built on top of the line stuff but again it's kind of going back to your purpose mission driven what is what do you want to do with this firearm. Not just hey. I want ferrari right. Yeah because if you just go buy a ferrari and then you end up going on a four wheel drive competition. You're not gonna be happy right. Yeah at the same point in time if you get the best four by four you know. Let's say hunting rifle that's built for an all around situation and you're only going to the track and do the ferrari test. You're not going to be happy either. Yeah yeah so. i guess. I didn't really answer your question. Patrick but i guess if i had to say like if i was going to pick like kind of a realm i like a a low recoil really quiet and a really heavy rifle like just my favorite shoe just wanting if there's no noise there's no recoil you know i. It makes it fun. I'll let you know mine isn't even custom marlin bilton and they chambered it in seventeen. Hmo are yeah and they put a one inch bull barrel on that thing. It's like shooting a daisy red ryder. But at two hundred yards. It'll it'll put a shot in pop can't every shot. If the wind isn't blowing in the wind blows just put the gun away on. That's another factor. You know you talked about carrying all the different gear and having the range finder and you know castro so so. Tell me a little bit more about that. If someone wants to get into distant shooting what all do they need. And what should they be thinking about for gear. That's a yeah. That's a tough one to answer questions. So yeah it's broad I think the biggest thing that surprises people. So i have this. This ballistic program Made by applied ballistics litz. He's kinda like he's like the guy like stuffy. I believe rocket scientists So he made this program where it's called his weapons employment zone program so you can pick a target pick. Your bullet velocity and everything else and then set that target at a certain range and then set your parameters so like your atmospheric variables your wind And then how well you can Collect all that data so like if you can call your range within one yard or more plus or minus yard if you can call your wind within two miles an hour you go through all these parameters and and give put those into the computer and then it'll give you. I don't know how many shots at runs but basically runs a shot simulation. It tells you. Hey you'd hit this six inch target at thousand yards Seventy five percent of the time And the variable. I guess get at that surprises. Everybody is always start with like you can call your wind within one mile. An hour And then i'll bump that up to two and it like it almost always. I should have brought it. It'd be neat to see. It always cuts your hip percentage in half at least just know depending on yardage of course But that's always the big the thing that surprises people like. Wow if i'm off on my win by two miles. An hour cuts my. Hip percentage and half. You know it's all dependent on garbage in bullet and everything else. But i'd say that's one that's prizes people. The most so. I think learning how to read wind is like number one and then yeah ammunition having good consistent ammunitions huge Your standard deviation on your your velocities is gonna affect where it hits. As far as your elevation goes men having a scope that adjust true it just gets deep so like having love right trigger breaks. Clean a bed. It's better to proper. Yeah and then you do your part you know you shoot quarter minute or half minute or whatever that looks like so. Yeah that's the idea with the rifles is. Hopefully i can take all of that out for you. And then the rifle isn't a concern. It is an issue. there's no guesswork. On the rifles you know the guesswork. Senior win caller. Whatever and you know. The wind never blows in wyoming. So we don't have to worry about it. I mean it's never never blows here. I know like the ballistics for my aunt. Six with that one seven two. It's like fifty eight or fifty nine inches of drop at six hundred and it goes to one forty seven or one twenty it doubles over doubles at at a hundred twenty seven at seven hundred yards and then somewhere between six and seven it goes subsonic right from ultrasonic subsonic and there's some really funky things that happened in my little in david little world of if bo isn't going hunting in sixers going hunting yeah four or five hundred yards. We get much past five hundred yards. And i'm going to figure out a way to get closer. Yeah but if it's if it's three hundred yards and under games. Yeah yeah yeah. So i think just talking about all that and kind of thinking that through i would say. Read a book. And i'd recommend the apply. Ballistics like so modern advancements in in long range. I can't remember. I think it's modern advancements along range shooting but anyways they're all right and let's that's great like almost exhaustive resources far as long range stuff goes and i think having grasp on the ballistics and drop and what the wind does and coryell effect and actually the speeding up the earth like affects your your shots depending on your compass heading crazy. It's kind of cool. And i really enjoy it but yeah maybe reading a book would be a good place to start and maybe stay off the forms because there's a lot of Less than What's the right word less knowledgeable people. Yeah something like that yeah. I laugh because I have been self banned from the forms. Yeah same here. I can't do fishing farms. I'm like no can't do it. I i get a little too animated in a little bit like frustrated especially when it starts applying to the business. Yeah and so. I just you guys can have at it hash it out customers. If you're on there and there something amiss you could sort it out. I give you permission. Yeah yeah precision rifle blog dot coms another great one that guys like real scientific based he answers a lot of new questions when it comes to rifles range shooting. I'd say he's a good reliable. Reliable was the word. I was like for reliable source. Well it is super neat to put a a milk jug out at six fifty. Yeah and Shooting with a couple. I'm not a big semi auto fan. You know fifteen or are neat. But i i lay down with my six. And if it's six hundred yards and under especially jokes is it's done right a couple of guys shooting trio eight and two to three and shooting in the wind out here at england's four ninety five right right at five hundred and they shot each a couple times and they're all the way around and like you guys ready for my turn to center punch that milk jug you know it's full of water and it just it. It exploded like right now. You know you hit. It's cool to shoot those reactive targets at that kind of definitely. So you were a lineman. Is her career doing that. And then you decided. I wanna work on rifles Tell me a little bit more about that. Was a a lineman for the power company here through the ye and If was a great job. But by say after i got that that custom built rifles man. I think i'm gonna save my money and said by rifleman by late. One of those guys that likes to build his own staff. You know Like to tinker. So it's like. I'm going to lay that. I'm build my own rifle and built my own rifle. And then all the line like most linemen are outdoorsman to and Okay i need a rifle. You'll sign up rifles for a lot of the linemen worked with and then you know the coat like i could probably stay busy doing that. Make a little money on the side. And then it. Just kind of snowballed from there Eventually got to a point where i was. I was super busy. And it's like it's kind of one of those deals where. I was kind of feeling called to that where Being the youth pastor and taking care of youth group at church. I felt like that was really taking a back seat so i wanted. I needed to clear some time up and eventually got to the point where it just cited like. I'm definitely i'm being called the to the youth group. I wanna put more time into that ministry. And i wanna be home with my family like the line as a great trade but gone when the phone rings in the power's out. You'll have to go so that was cool. Just went for god's taking care of us we we every month. I'm probably fatter than i've ever been. But yeah and then. I think two months after after we decided to make the league can go time building rifles. I'm working on my garage. Found out we're going to have our first kid so it's like man. She's been so neat to to do that. And just yeah just kind of live out your faith you know. So that's been that's been really cool for me. I think the coolest thing of this this little journey so yeah. You had to take that step. Yeah go for it. Which yourself out there. Patrick's talked about it with with. Pk a little bit right. And patrick scene with both spiders. It's it's a nerve racking you. You don't get to dip your toe in right. You don't just get to just going to play it building rifles at in my free time while i actually have a job. Yeah in or if you're gonna make a commitment you have to just dive in headfirst and it's you know until somebody has done that you just can't. It's it's tough to describe the feeling of. Hey have quit home other jobs. The this is going to be my source of income. Well and it's good to watch you do this and you know. Get get your foot in the door because it does take a while because you have to build a clientele. Yeah and then you have to have that clientele tell other people because you're not gonna have the same person buying a rifle every month so there's a few of them but probably the gun nuts right will but you do have to. Have you know a good product and good customer service. 'cause if you're turning out a barrel that you know his proof in the pudding if i can't buy your custom gun it outperformed mitee three. I'm not telling anybody right. But if i get a rifle from you and its head and shoulders above anything i can buy factory wise. It's no brainer. Yeah yeah yeah. That's cool speaking of quality products. I mean you talk about one of our sponsors so both spider the usa the usa. A lot of it's made right here in riverton wyoming which is really cool lifetime warranty. You don't see a lot of that anymore and it's unfortunate but You know. I think this is a good place to talk about that as you know. We need to support our local economies and people here in the us that are manufacturing these parts and a great way to do that. Is the most butter bo packing system. There were some discussions early on about taking both spider overseas. And you know having some investors come and really drive drive a kind of whole different business model. You know. Basically go after the big boxes right out. The gate saturate the market with a foreign product. And i i said let's not bring the investors in. Let's not you know just own the market. Let's earned the market but let's make it here in the us. And it's been in a lot of ways. And i'll just let some people in on the back end as far as you know if you're gonna order item x here. I can order two hundred of them and say they're delivered next month feige overseas. I have to order twenty thousand of those if they come in they're not to the correct tolerance and we have some pretty tight tolerances d it that to function the way it is. I mean we're talking tens of thousands of an inch right so it's not quite precision rifle but we're not talking you know it's not a quarter of eight inches feeler gauge stuff so if we ordered twenty thousand dollars overseas and they were off basically own them throw them away and have to reorder again right. So there's there's pros and constable sides of running a business that way but yeah mainly usa lifetime warranty. I mean if you need if you haven't checked out the youtube of how spider works. I mean it's a universal lightweight bo packing system and storage my favorite place and i've told a bunch of people this summer and they all look at me a little bit. Weird to mount one of these receivers is the back of the head rest in your truck. Now it's designed to go in your backpack. It works phenomenally well on your hip. You saw that demonstration earlier but when you get back to the truck everybody just tosses their bill in the backseat or has to break all the components off their bow to put it in the hard case. Enclose it right now. I just don't have to break the front and rear stabilisers off. I just hang it in the backseat and even cooler is. I leave brought. Heads in the quiver. I've got two young kids when i get home. I hang up on the wall. Almost like putting the bona gun safe. They're not getting my razor-sharp broad heads out and playing sword fights with each other and the wife screaming anymore. That would be horrible. So if you wanna get boast better bo- packing systems save your arms a little bit of a workout if you're if you're out west Definitely go to bow spider dot com. You don't want to carry your bo- all day. I think we have sixty five retailers. So ask your local beauchamp. Hey are you carrying these yet and check you know. We've got a pretty good updated list of dealers online so in definitely go support your local shops too. Because we're we're trying to help those same mom and pop know archery independent guys. That took the leap of. Hey i love our tree. And i want to open a shop and you know they. The thing i've found is. I don't do any my own bow tuning and there's two trains of thoughts with that thought. One is kind of like you go by boat press. I do all my own tuning. And then i have to rely on me to make sure did it right right. It's like hey. I think i can build a rifle better and those guys that are out there like that and that's fine. I'm not in that category. Because i i'm of the mindset like if i set my anything a quarter inch off or twist at wrong or i break limor string now. I'm out season. I only get to blame me. Phi hand it to abo- shop and say hey make this perfect. And then when. I'm out there in now. There's a there's a professional risking kind of his livelihood by handing me that kind of guarantee that have set up in tune your bow. It's good to go. I would hunting right kind of like i'm not gonna go out and buy a lay and and bill rifle but we'll talk later about. Maybe you could build hunting. We got room on rifles for the bow spider attachment. But if you're in riverton wyoming go down to rocky mountain discount sports. They have both spiders down there. You can pick them up there locally and lots of other places you said around sixty five now so that's great we're growing. Yeah so jumping back into this. Matt you know the you get all kinds of different hunters you know you have your bear hunters of your antelope owners and everything in between so tell me you know when you're making a a gun for say they're hunter what are they typically looking for. You know i. I would say bear hundred. Probably usually the guys. I talked to out of a blind of some sort bait a lot of times. They're guys that'll put a stock on so yeah bears are tough critters. Need a lot of lead. Usually a seven millimeter biggers. Usually with those guys go for so yeah. I don't get a whole lot of guys that are like bear specific. It seems like the ones that are real specific. Are the you're hunters. Seems like those guys are off a little bit like they're willing to go all out. Yes so those. It seems like the meal deer hunters are really specific In in what they want for good reason so what are they looking for typically lightweight. Absolutely like it's always the biggest concern lightweight and kind of cool thing about meal deers. You don't need a giant cartridge to to kill meal. Dare you know six millimeter. Six and a half millimeter type. Cartridge is going to do the job. So yeah they could say a lot of those six five. Prc's guys you know. Carbon-fiber barrel carbon-fiber stock bill. The light right lightweight rifle did they can put on their back and go way up high and and it won't kill their shoulder and make them more now. Yep it's interesting. So yeah those those guys you know well in you know meal dare. You're you're typically shooting the rifle once maybe twice all season right so recoils not a big deal. You take that same guy. That's gonna be him going mule deer hunting once a year. And then i'm going to run the circuit on any target shooting. And that's that's a whole lot tougher to build one rifle for that customer right because he's on any given saturday gonna put fifty around that same gun. Yeah yeah and that one's that those are always tough because you will get guys like well. I'm getting old. I don't wanna deal with recoil. But i want to go shoot out. You know you have capac some land there super tough. You just ask for submarine. That would go to the space station. Yeah exactly it's one of those deals. Yeah it's really hard to. They are really specific for the task. So yeah that can be tough to to try to get an all around rifle. tika t. three superlight thirty outside dental handle everything you need to that. There's a loose. There's an antelope and there's a mule deer on the wall from that. Tk three thirty six and may not dear really long. Shooting competition will no well. It's just interesting i like. I said the rifle thing is not in my scope. And so it's always gonna interested me. Because i mean fishing guys. You know your dad's a fish big fish guy you know. We spend a ton of money on fishing equipment and so we'll have dozens of rods. And we'll have different types of spoons for different situations different types of crank baits fish finders on the boat and for this one of the india ice fishing ones. I mean you got to count those too. So i mean you have all these different electron. Ix different things like that and i see that. There's a huge parallel with rifle shooting and distance shooters and hunters and whatnot. So it's just interesting to me because the passions different but it's the same in a lotta ways like all of us are trying to get outdoors trying to experience. You know being outside and doing something that we like to do and so it's kind of cool to hear a little bit more about it. Because i really just totally ignorant on the subject but You've you've shared a lot. That's interesting to me but there's one question we typically ask our guests that i haven't asked you yet and david knows what it is. But it's it's it's important to me is when you go out and you go hunting or you go fishing and you procure something. What's your favorite thing to eat. And what's the recipe for it brain stew brains. Do you know like oh boy this is gonna get. This is weird. I don't this. I don't know if you guys walk this. But one of my favorites like my favorite hunting is antelope hunting. And when one of my favorites is albuquerque. And i use high mountain seasonings stuff. I can't remember. I think all of them together. I of change it up every year. Antelope jerky like i. It sounds weird like l. stakes good. I'm also had some terrible elk me but Aloe turkeys just consistently. When my favorite's get that i i usually smoke it. That and a beer just as a little snack. Like i just. That's my one of my favorite rewards after hunting. Yeah meat is i know. A lot of people don't agree with me. But i don't care it is one of the best. If you take care of that animal it is delicious. So i can. I keep more than once. I've cooked cow elk back strap next to antelope back. Strap and the antelope is gone. And people are asking for more of it before the calc is gone. So it's but we've talked about this before you're harvesting one hundred pound animal at typically one hundred degrees you need to get the hide off to get processed and you need to get on ice now thrown that in the back of your truck and drive into our home and then handing it to a processor and it still gets tied on. You're you're never gonna have good antelope meat if you do that. Yeah if you wanted to taste like. I don't even know how to describe that. Because i've had that before it's almost like Sagebrush adrenaline it's nasty. Mix with copenhagen describing. It's gross so yeah. Don't do that. Definitely get a process right away. But i always asked that question or david does just to see speaking of high mountain. I mean some of the best stuff out there right. I mean it's another one of our sponsors so we might as well. Just talk about it since we're so go ahead. What's your favorite kit like. Or you said you mix them. But what's your favorite one that cracked pepper the black pepper. One just that one. If i just only have one now my favorite for jerky me again. The instruction on the kids are way easy but if you're just doing backyard hamburgers they have shakers for that. If you're doing fried fish. They've got i mean they have. I don't even know how many i mean a ton of products. If you're cooking protein high mountain seasoning has a seasoning for that team and i love the hickory with a cracked black pepper internet for the jerky. That's my favorite kit. Getting close to vacancies and patrick. I know we are bacon. Seeds we have to harvest some points. And if you don't know what. I mean you'll figure it out eventually But we do grow our own bacon here and have our own bacon harvest and ham anyway. But even if you're making summer sausage. Or i mean i liked the whole muscle jerky and high mountain seasoning. I mean if you don't you don't have to buy all the fancy stuff. Take a cutting board put a roast in the freezer. get it almost frozen. You know like three quarters away and you just slice that then sprinkle mixing instructions. Sprinkl layer it and then put it either in the oven smoker. I like the whole muscle jerky but the kids and the wife really liked the ground muscle jerky in the shooter. Stick you just shoot on wax paper. Put it in the oven. They eat that. I mean pounds of it at a time and they sell the shootings Gun yup it looks like jank caulking gun but they sell them high mountain jarecki's website so. Hi mtn jerky dot com and like we said on other podcasts. Me you can buy their stuff just about any place. I i know. The first time i ever bought any of that was in sidney. Nebraska cabals the cabela's and See i mean you can find it just about any place you want to but man it is. It is good stuff. When i was a kid in one of the biggest things as you go someplace where people like to shoot and they leave their shotgun shells you know just kinda litter the landscape with them but is that still kind of an issue. I don't know. I don't shoot much anymore. I i love it when you leave your grasp behind if it's brass aren't as great as long range shooters when shooting with three hundred drummer. Even my aunt. Sixer i'm i'm i load it all now. Right brasses in short supply. So you don't leave that on the ground unless you're i don't know i guess the epitome of wealth right now. Patrick is shooting and nine millimeter plywood. Target yeah boy. that's the truth. Yeah and i think of the other side of that too. I think there's been a lot of discussion on you. Get these guys that do spend the money on a high end rifle high and glass but they just don't practice with the rifle and the dc wounded animals. Or you know things like that. And i do there is. There are few and far between like that people like that. But i think say i think. A lot of people are realistic in their Their ability to shoot a rifle and not everybody. But that's one thing i don't like to see. Is you know people going out and wounding craters. That's one of the reasons. I i like to build precision rifles for you know an ethical. Clean kill So i don't think the distance. Maybe i don't think the the distance people are shooting having effect like the bullet technologies pretty amazing and They do a great job but more or less. Just shop placement. I think is is the biggest issue with long-range timing. And i know that's been a big discussion in the hunting community. As far as how ethical is it. And that's i think it's just as ethical as Any other kind of hunting you. I've i've messed up. Bow hunts shots with bo from ten yards. You know and she just couldn't be any better. It just happened to do this long enough. It's it's going to happen. But the difference is the ethical. Sportsman spends all year perfecting their craft honing their equipment so that it doesn't happen versus the unethical is. I've seen this coming up in oregon one hundred times as what draw rifle tag in. It's a week before season. And i can buy general over the counter biotech tags so i'm buying a brand new beau this week and accounting and no. You need to practice for a year before you go out with that bo honestly. Yeah yeah. we had sam davis song. I think it was episode. Forty three talking about his shira's moose. That monster that he killed and he talked about a few days before that he had a good shot and it just didn't penetrate. Remember that he he shot this. This bull moose. The broadhead didn't go win. The meuse ran off. He tracked for three days. It was just fine wasn't bleeding. Anything to stuff happens but then few days later you know and he's one of those guys that shoots every day but a few days later he got another chance and he dropped it so i mean he's not the guy we're worried about the guys who just go out and like you said they buy something real quick and they go down and they think they can just go shoot something and it's like well. Let's not how hunting works insane. Not going to be very successful. If you don't practice. We talked about the i trash the The fishing hole guy. There's the trash the the mountain logging road while hunting guy and there's the i trashed the local shooting spot guy right you go to some of those and they've drug out a freezer or washer cow journal. Tv and the you know it's it whenever wego clay pigeon shooting or we don't pick up. The pigeons will pick up a whole one right but it's biodegradable clay. We do take the cardboard box home and we pick up all the casings with us right. So it's You know other than a little bit of black and orange broken pigeons out there you you wouldn't there and that's that's a big difference. I know every sports got something right Unfortunately but that's where it's our responsibility really. Try to get that hammered home with people the way better self beliefs then to be enforced or just have your rights taken away l. together. Which could happen to you. Know there are places in wyoming. You can't go with an offroad vehicle. You can't go shoot. You can't go do this. You can't do that well. Why is that well. let's go. Somebody screwed it up for everybody else and unfortunately coming from another state oregon in the eighties and nineties. All that timber ground was fair game. And we're talking millions of acres of logging roads open-access go have fun. It's to the point now where it is all gated. It's one hundred percent gated and people are still pulling in the little the they don't put the gate right on the road. That's it's far enough up that a logging trump could pull up. Stop and open the gate. Almost every one of those turnarounds is trash. I mean pick up loads of trash and as a landowner. The timber companies. I understand it right if somebody pulled in here with a pickup load of trash threw it out in my driveway. I believe it. it'd be mad. And but the the end result is sportsmen have lost to millions of acres of usable ground. Because it wasn't self patrolled right And if we don't start doing it here in wyoming sheer gonna see those gates. Go up you're gonna see no trespassing your see no no vehicles in it. It all equates to less activities and less opportunities for all of us well before we let you go. We gotta talk about another sponsor. And then i'm going to get all your details on how people can get a hold of you to a custom rifle Pk lures if you guys haven't checked them out yet you're missing out It is that time of year. We're getting into that fall period. Those fisher really gonna start packing it on. This is when the fishing gets hot and the hunting happens. So if you're like me and you're going to spend most of your time fishing. It's going to be good. There's going to be less guys on the water. David is going to be up on the mountain. This is true You can go to p. keilor dot com. They have a lot of different options. spooning season for you know spoon wall is below the boat casting out which those spins back. that's coming up here. Pretty quick The bait fish will be running. It'll be good so go to pk. Keilor dot com. Well after i get this new custom rifle i'll probably have my dear harvested quickly backing down. Here come come use my. Pk lured to mess up your fishing. I'm okay with that So matt you know if someone wanted to get into this. They want to explore it. How do they get a hold of you so that they can inquire about getting a custom rifle. Yeah i think that the best thing to do would be to give me a call. I love to chat and help you figure things out. So number is on the website. I don't know if you want to be shared the number you can do whatever yes Numbers on the website and the websites cross eyed custody dot com I'm kind of a. I don't know what the word is old school or a little bit different when it comes to social media so don't do facebook or instagram or anything like that So just check out the website cross. Channels yeah bonus yes across. I'd custom rifles dot com. I think the website right now is kind of in transition being rebuilt and stuff like that so it might be a little funky but you should find the phone number on there. Give me a call. And i'll answer any questions you have. And what the turnaround. Time on. If i if i placed one today can i have one for season. No yeah we're pretty like yeah. August is always super busy right. Now try and get stuff these his like a thirty day when you start to finish like ninety days what. What's what's a typical build. Take you this year. The average has been about two months just on parts If we if we can find all the parts and stock You know usually steal allsteel. Barrels aren't aren't hard finding find the right one in stock From one of the dealers so sometimes if we can get all those parts and we have done inside a month or less if we get the parts in time so are you helping goes workloads as well or you just kind of test-firing once and sentinel norway. I used to do that But all of a sudden. I couldn't find anything to complete development with so i've kind of put the kabosh that i got a few guys that have brought me stuff like. Hey here's the parts. We do it so i i will go do that. I enjoy that part. That is the kind of kind of like a nerdy scientific. Approach to a little of this atelier. Can we dial it can lengthen. Shorten it up. Yeah make it hotter. Make it colder exactly. Yeah and that really does kinda put. That's kind of the goal is to take guesswork out of stuff for the customers when it comes to this so if i can build you the rifle and the ammo like i promise. You won't be there won't be any guesswork on that side of things so well. There is some powder back in sporting goods stores on the shelf. Finally starting to trickle in no pun intended well and everything has been backed up in the supply chain so it does take a little bit longer on lead time for just about everything right. David yeah we. We're trying as hard as we can. If you listen to this wondering where you're both spiders at it's coming and if you're waiting till september first order for your september fifth hunt. I'm sorry that i'm not a miracle worker. You know order today for your for your hunt. Well that's awesome. Thank you so much for coming on. And i can. I can just say from no one man. He's a great guy a lot of fun to backpack with and hang out with. So if you're going to get a customer rifle. This is a great do do that with so. Thanks for sharing. And coming on yeah. Thanks for having me. He's been awesome so again. If you want more rag cast outdoors you can go to. Rag cast outdoors dot com. And you can check us out just about anywhere that you can find our podcast so please like share subscribe and if you'd like this episode go give us a rating. Yes that's a big help so we will see you next time a

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #34: David's Missouri Whitetail Adventure

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #34: David's Missouri Whitetail Adventure

"This episode of the podcast has been brought to you by. Pk lures pk. Lures is a fantastic company. Were really excited to be partnered with them. If you guys are fishermen and you're serious fishermen you wanna take out good quality equipment with you when you go and i can vouch for p. keilor's i've been fishing them since about two thousand and eight and they make some of the best ice fishing lures hands down on the market as well as some incredible options for open water fishing. I got an master anglerfish on a. Pk lewer here. Not very long ago. I mean they have options again through the ice open water. Fishing open water favorites the. Pk spinach definitely give that a try. New next generation ridgeline crank works. Really well for trolling. And then of course. Through the ice my two favorites hands down the pk. Spoon and the pk flutter fish so definitely go check him out there. Pk lewer dot com again. That's p keilor dot com and make sure to tell them that you heard about. Pk from rag cast outdoors. Go have fun fishing. Everyone sean rad. Cast is on hunting fishing and everything in between this is red. Cast outdoor from the borders ten cast studio. Here are david merrill and patrick edwards. Welcome to another episode of rag cast outdoors on patrick edwards. I'm david merrill fresh from the outdoors restroom from the airport. Yes very freshman there. But we're here with you ben on the road again you know. Both spider ended up and moving around and having lots of fun but losing lots of sleep. Losing sleep and having fun. Sounds like a good time. And you've been busy with both spider very busy as of late with the holidays and everything and so. We're gonna talk a little bit of both spider a little bit of white hunting today. Hells that soun- that's one. It's that most people in in the hunting community. Their walls filled with white tail. And they're like oh man. I'd love to go do x. or y. or z. Evans the opposite. David's done x. y. and z. And he's like. I really have this hole in my wall. I need a white tail. Never you know wyoming. White taylor prolific. But we don't have a ton of giants walking around. Yeah unless you're hanging out in the northeast side of the state is really not a lot of huge white tail bucks running around but you've got just about everything else on your wall. I'm pretty sure i've been trying. So tell me about it and kenna. What spurred it along with bo spider and kind of how it came to be. You know so it's been. We've been very blessed. Had a great year product is doing well had a couple of clients reach out and say hey we got this annual trip going on want you come go on i. I am hot about it. And said you know i don't know was one and two was just time timing time away from work time off in a seems like these days if i take i take two days off. I come back to six days worth of work. If i don't take those two days off. I don't have six days of work in owen. We're not talking catch up. We're just talking to six days extra work you know. I finally committed in my beautiful bride. She She stepped up and took care things while i was gone. Which makes makes it all the easier to be gone. But intellect that alaska hunt. We had a delorme in reach and then a satphone and that's a little bit harder as a business owner to take fourteen days. Just leave right to have people pretty irate that they haven't heard from you in today's society you don't get to just unplug for fourteen days in walkway and unfortunately that's for me part of the lure of some of these bigger trips. Is you know like we've talked about before day. One day two. you're still in normal day routine. I get up at x. And i do all this stuff and you kind of it takes a little while for your brain to get away from digital mode and into nature mode day three day. Four day five. It's just pure nature mode and you just you eat and sleep and move with the sun and the game and it's fun and you don't have that daily pressure vo crap. I gotta be here for the kids. And all i got to get over there and i got to get this email done and i gotta make that phone call and we gotta pick this up and oh by the way this just happened and i gotta run over there and help this person that that on a hunt doesn't you know it's just. This is the task that needs to be accomplished. And we're going to work at it until we're done which is fun for me but that's it's a little bit different of a balancing act when you go on the shorter trips with technology i mean i catch myself having to say no. I'm here to enjoy watching the squirrel. Where about that email. But i have to stay on top of it every day. So we'd get back from hans on this this particular trip. I went with to both spider clients. They invited me out. And we paid a trespass fee to go on some private land. We looked at some private and going private areas and they hunt some public while were there they can and they do and we looked at the public areas as a kind of secondary backup to we're in huntington private ranch for a little while and paid the trespass fee to just it was just a farmers trespass fee to hunt on his land. They picked me up in springs. I hitchhiked down to rock springs and they picked me up on the interstate and we drove through the night. It's from here to missouri is eighteen hour drive though we got in about. Oh three o'clock in the morning and got up about eight. Am should've been up at five. Am and going scouting but you gotta have a couple hours of sleep right well. We found a really nice bucket. Eight thirty in the morning and so that particular part of the farm didn't have any tree. Stanton hey blinds hadn't been hunted and we watched a buck go down in the timber so we grabbed the self climbing three stands myself and the the other guy that kind invited me along and he sat on the Kind of the west side. And i sat on the south side of this timber. We had made an agreement. Hey we're not going to go in this small timber because they're in their bed and if we go walking around in there even if we got the winner favor somebody's gonna blow them out and if we just be patient and that's the nice thing about the private land scenario is we'd be patient and stay out of that and we're talking sixty acres of timber. I mean you could walk through it in a couple minutes. Twenty minutes. Easy what we'd kind of made that. Hey we know there's good deer and there it was just went in there. Sit here for the evening and try and figure out where they're coming out and then the next day we'll either remove stands or reassess and it was kind of neat for me to just look at. I've got on acts on my phone and if you haven't heard about that and don't know about that that's Actually hate on for a couple reasons or base maps or any of these. Because when i first started patrick you had to get maps. You had to print them out and you had to find access or ask for access right. And some of those little state chunks were just people drove by thought it was private and so you could find ways to access chunks of ground that were relatively unknown. You needed that local knowledge and it took time experienced figure. Hey there's a whole bunch of ground right here. Nobody's hunting and his public ground. That's that those little tiny areas can be great shelter belts for all sorts of game weather. It's i mean same thing efficient. Find a pond. On one of those tracts of land that nobody knows about right it can be so anyways back to the hunt. We both committed to stand just on the edge that timber and just basically scout and see where they'd come out for the evening and then we'd reassess game plan well lo and behold to does come out about two hundred yards up the ridge from your skyline and right behind him come a buck but those two does continue on their same compass direction. That buck got on the ridge. That i was on and just snaked his way right down under my tree. Oh man there's one little fruit tree. And i had to climb a it was a dead cottonwood tree completely dead. And you know what forked about twelve feet off the ground. I couldn't get myself climber. Any higher so you can almost touch my feet right. But i've we're talking about a fifty inch diameter tree or so. It was a big tree and so back comes into the fruit tree underneath me. It's a little fruit tree. Maybe maybe twelve or fourteen feet high. But you kind of brushing. So he's either got to go to the left or the right of it to be clear. So i chewed. He's right behind it. Lickin on this and i'm having a little bit of a come apart and i've never been affected that way especially elk hunting because elk hunting. We kind of set up you bugliosi. Typically either no. Hey they're coming in silent. We're going to do a call setup here or you get a response and you know they're coming with dear. It was just like all the sudden. It's here it's appeared. I didn't know what happening. And then he you know he's coming closer and closer. And i thought he'd just kind of feed through from right to left and i was just going to have to take a walking shot or grunt but you know i had lanes up to further distances and i was prepared and ready to just go behind that one at thirty five draw grunt shoot well when he just kept snaking and companies like twelve yards underneath me behind that tree and he sat there for two minutes lincoln and scraping on that tree branch of that fruit tree and his vitals. I mean his whole body covered. I can see through the tree. There's a leaves but there's no way you're getting an arrow through there. We my heart start doing time to think about it now way too much. Sit there. okay. I want to harvest dear. It's within spitting distance. And i'm just gonna sit here now and i actually unclogged my release from my bow and went to reach for my phone to take a picture like this'll be cool. And then back my brain said you know what he's either going to catch movement. He's going to catch shine something going to happen. And then you're gonna be trying to put this phone away without dropping. It and his dear is going to run off. And i didn't come prepared to be filming all this. That wasn't the goal. I i got my hand about eight inches away from my string. And i want you know what. I'll just take a picture after we shoot him. And i clipped my release back on and he. He started going to the left around that tree. And i didn't even let him clear the whole tree where the branches got. They ended the his vital start opening up gop them. I put a used a three blade. Grim reaper expandable rod had and that arrow made a i made was really funny is typically when you're shooting in a tree stand you get a pretty high entrance and you get a pretty low exit in the body cavity. But you're still going through the center of the vitals. Because i was so low and he was up of me just a little bit right that arab pretty much went straight through it like an age difference from in and out but it went right through the top of everything it needed to it. Got crazy from there. He world one eighty and ran back towards the timber that he just came out of and he got in it. You know and i could only see twenty yards and he went about forty fifty yards also night here just heard the lease all over the floor and i can just hear. Somebody's shaken a plastic bag in there. So i was pretty sure i knew what happened but yeah then it went dead silent and so you know that's always a good thing but it can be a bad thing too so i texted the other guy in and this is at three thirty in the afternoon. It gets dark at five thirty. I climb that tree about two seven sitting there. And he's all excited he comes over. We filmed that portion. And we'll we'll release that a little later of the recovery but while i was sitting there texting. Hey just shot come over and let's go track. This thing does a little confident who is dead. I was pretty confident. Was a great shot. But i wasn't sure you never know right. Even at that kind of distance that was i was rattled. I will admit that. But while i was sitting there a bob cat came on his trail exactly where he came. And he got kinda right their return on the bobcat made like to zigzags. And i was getting ready to get after this and bob cat turn and went down the trail where he came from and he was gone. Everybody got over there minutes later. Not a half hour later. Maintain fifteen minutes later and we went and found the arrow. I completely read at at grim. Reaper was a little disconcerting. Is it the grim reaper. Got springs to keep the blades closed while the blades were all closed in know stuck in the dirt will the inertia of hitting the dirt. The blades re close how out or even the flesh coming out of the body just gave him a decelerating arrow to close the broadhead so main. Then that's for some guys out there and we'll load some pictures. The last six inches of my errol has a dip on it white paint. And that's just there to tell you know what kind of shot you made. You can tell by the color and type of blood you can tell by you know. Sometimes the hair and other things that are on that white stretch of air. And if you have just a shapiro black shaft really hard to tell if you've got a white background you can tell this liver. This is long. This has guns right. So i got a picture this era. That's just bright red and then we start falling blood and the blood wasn't great right like i said i hit him. I wouldn't say higher low. Hit him where you needed to came in and out it went right across top of heart so you get both lungs and heart and it's very lethal shot but it was high enough in that chest cavity that there really wasn't. Sometimes you get some pretty good blood trails and this was a couple drops but he was full speed running and about the time. We started seeing heavier blood. I looked up around three trees. And i can see white and tan land there in the trail and i. I got really excited. I've not live though we. We covered him. He's one hundred and forty five inch. You know nice. Typical white tail a great white tail for my first one. Yeah but that. Bob cat that i told you about had found him had already ripped open hindquarter in an already consumed about a pound of meat. Wow in it wasn't a total of fifteen minutes. You know it was more than tan. But it wasn't fifteen minutes from what. I saw that bob get go by to win. We are on. It is insane. That's crazy. that's insane and the coyotes they have back there. Man was every night. There'd be two or three packs jalan back and forth each other from this little creek bottom or this cornfield and we're not talking to you know how and back to it's like a pack of six hallam backpack five on over a pack of ten and just woods. Every night would erupt with those coyotes. We had them running understands running bias following us around that they have a coyote investigation. It sounds like a lot of fun. I mean in so kind of compare it to l. I mean how's it feel as far as the difference. You talked about a little bit. But what's what's it. What's the biggest difference between the two. So i mean most of the year and most of the time. The reason i on elkin the reason hung up the way i do is because i i want to call. I want to locate them. They locate me. And we play this game of cat-and-mouse or chess who's ever trying to checkmate the other. One and usually both parties are using the wind. You want to have the wind in your face and that else gonna come in and before he wants a confrontation he typically is going to circle. And you would be surprised patrick. How good they're hearing is to three hundred yards away. They start coming and then they shut up. They will come and stand thirty yards away from where they wanna be where they heard that sound and sit there and watch so that's one thing i mean all the elk hunting book say to do this and it's been known for a long time in a caller shooter scenario and elk hunting. You typically have somebody calling the elk and then depending on the type of terrain twenty forty fifty sixty maybe even one hundred yards away. You place shooter out there where the elk typically wants to come stop and he wants to see other elk before he comes. Close well now as the shooter you have an elk. A yard away at it makes it fun but if you're the caller and you don't move so you can. You can kind of do this on your own. If you don't have a caller to call for you make a couple of calls walk forward twenty thirty yards and then stand there for five ten minutes very quietly and if you got a hill that drops away you can call down the hill and then walk up on top and elks gonna come in and want to look and see. Hey where's he's their herd animals. They wanna group up in. The white tail is they. Don't typically majority of the year rome like an elk. Does they kind of eat live sleep. Breathe die one. Patch a timber one field and they move between them and have a water source now. All of a sudden the rut turns on and there. They'll be two counties away if they wanna be but they'll be doing that all day long. You know what they're doing is they're just cruising those main trails sniffing for does it or at heat so sitting in some of those high travel areas is really good tactic for white tail. Because they don't know you're there they're not alerted in you've got deer crews and by pretty often so i was to act out day one and we're committed to driven over there with those other guys and i was like you know what i'm now cameraman for the next couple of days and i have video the last morning we're tired of teaming up so it's like i'm gonna scout some stands for. I'm coming back next year. I had that much fun. I'm like hey. Can i come back through the skin next year so i wanted to go sit and see smother stands and scouts some stuff. Well one of the stands. I sat in had to decent eight points. A half hour after daylight walk in the trail that i walked into the tree. Stand sitting right on right on a ditch line. That's got a pawn behind me thirty yards in the water sources. It's on either side of to soybean fields. So i'm down in the brush and those bucks come underneath my stand and have a mexican standoff for about ten minutes doing like a yin yang revolving single each other and kind of posturing and the one had tore about a two inch wide six or eight inch long strip of his hide out of his neck fighting with other one those boxer i mean and so he's got this big nasty gash on his neck. Now it's it looked as it appeared as if it was drying and healing. You know those guys have a big thick neck for a reason right. So is it kind of like a scene out a tombstone. Wyatt earp and always and what i think it was. You know the the block that had his neck tour was slightly smaller in body an antler size and he kind of recognized that otherwise like yeah. That's the one that kicked my butt yesterday after they circle each other once or twice he. He's quietly walked off. Yeah was really funny. is they. Got to rip the other guys that were with me as they're not seeing jacket. I'm like pictures of these. Two shooter bucks having a standoff underneath my stand but it was fun to the squirrels sunrises. At some cold days had some warm days of the birds. Birds were really cool. I took a few took my camera along sauce taking pictures of woodpeckers and they've got some big squirrels over there and yeah man the one thing i will say as a deer walks understand. It makes hardly any noise. Squirrel comes through and it sounds like mack truck. Air on it gets a is really interesting. Though we'd get in the stands matter half hour forty five minutes four daylight every day and they had a couple trail cameras. So we're getting to see pictures and activity in one corner that we predominantly sat in after harvest my back to harvest and other one the bigger buck was cruising through about seven hundred. Eight o'clock in the morning. He just running this whole fence line checking for autos and then i don't know but he went by three mornings at about that time. But you know you're sitting there at five thirty six and it's just dead quiet and then a couple hours ago off and that's in the spring turkeys would start going off. We never heard turkey's but then a couple birds and then a couple of squirrels and the forest just slowly wakes up in the morning and you're sitting there as the sun finally starts to crest and it gets daylight. I think in the the whole week were there. I saw about twenty five bucks. Which is us that's awesome. Yeah it's really good. Not all of them were within shooting distance and some were just a glimpse but it's really neat to just go out there and watch these deer and i got to where you find one deer. Watch that deers body posture. Especially what they're doing with their ears and their nose and head but even are they stiff and staunton and really in stiff legged walking or they just calm feeder moving pretty lucid and they're just kind of picking along feeding if they're in between those two and kind of look behind him and then maybe feed and are looking in front for scannon and look behind them and kind of you'll know there's more deer from wherever they came from following them. They're kind of waiting for their group right kind of like a little kid running around and playground kennedy over here daddy and making sure you're there if they're all by themselves they don't i mean they really don't spend a lotta time looking behind him there scanning for predators in front of them they move a little bit can occasionally glimpse back but they're not looking back waiting for something so a lotta times you can. I've with deer or with l. I've found either other animals or predators or something or other hunters japan. Attention to what they're doing and even even horses. You'd be amazed. I know. I know you and horses are not friends after but you know i'll have my horse tied up. We're sitting there having lunch or something and also the horse goes from just kinda you know half asleep. Two hundred percent years is knows focused on something over there you can up and sometimes it's another elk moving through a deer a predator or hunter. It's it's amazing to me. Because i can't hear or see anything but that ores knows something's there. Yeah and by the way. I really don't have anything against sources. Insist their dander. Has everything against me. It kills me man now. That's great you know you talked about the kind of immersing yourself in nature for a few days and just sitting back and watching and observing everything that's going on and i think that was one of the things. I enjoyed the most about fishing as doing that. Same thing you know. They'll be times where you know you go sit on a bank somewhere and you sit there all day or if even if you're in a boat and you're just watching as you're fishing along and you see all these different birds and antelope deer. Whatever and you kind of observe what. They're doing how they interact socially like. I've seen one of the really. Cool things around boise and just watching antelope play run around together and the way that they watch everything and how they move and you do this a lot with hunting so i bet it was a really cool experience in a different place than wyoming and watching different animals do different things. Oh yeah. I've been wanting to go whitetail hunting for years and years and years and not not that we don't have white tail here but i wanted to go tree. Stand big timber tail hunting. what everybody traditionally thinks about. Yes never done that before. I mean just haven't done it. We live in wide open wyoming. So it's kinda different. I mean i've set up on some sagebrush knobs and this and that looking for white tails but not putting the tree. Stand up a russian. All if you don't like thorns getting cut up out on your way up and i'm getting so yeah. We got the see deer got to interact got to harvest one. We're staying in a lodge with all these other guys and you know kind of getting hauled out and dropped off to different stands and it took the heart one night and i want to hear about this so i think it was the second or the third night after harvest. The deer we'd we. Hey i'm going go kart tonight and i quickly whipped up some idaho. Instant potatoes opened a can of vegetables out. Those are pretty self. Explanatory made a little brown gravy and the heart. I sliced relatively thin. Wouldn't say paper thin. But i'd say under a quarter inch is as thin as i could until everybody why you cut it thin. So you're gonna bread it and you're gonna fry it and you want to get it cooked evenly quickly. 'cause you don't wanna drive that thing out it's and people are ou oregon heart. I'll i'll tell you i've tried liver several times. I've tried a heart is not liver art. Not liver let's make pretty easy. The heart is on the on the clean side of the diaphragm. And it's a muscle. It's a muscle that worked. Good liver is a the cigarette filter on the dirty side of the diaphragm things out all the nasty stuff. I've tried it. And i just tell tell you right now. I am not a fan but back to the heart. So i put in wash cooked it a lot like we cook fish. Sure put it in of a flower with seasoning and you know just a high mountain seasoning and then put it back in the egg. Wash a second time right so but because it's meat not fish. The egg barely sticks to the meat. But that will help that flower. Stick a little bit right. And then you go from the flower back to eight to get more on it to make a better breading. And that's a good point. When you're making chicken fried steak. I like to venison venison steaks. That's a really good way to do it. Just because you get more of that coating on their to crisp it up really good for you. Yup and then i just on the stove in a pan. Put some you know. Just an eight inch of oil whatever oil but we can cook it on medium not high not low but medium to high a minute or two on side right. You want to cook true. You don't want it. Read anymore. And i did take it in the sink and hearts going to be full of blood. I mean it's the pomp right and wash it out as best. I could but after i sliced it i actually washed each piece off again to get those blood clots off there and i'm sure they probably fine but i'm a little particular so but i mean serve that up with some potatoes and gravy and vegetables and sounds it was. Everybody wanted more and there was a couple of guys in cancer. Like i've never taken one ever. That's not food on my. You're missing out my friend. So that's how. I cooked the heart and the same time. I took a one small chunk of back. Strap five guys in one dear heart scout not quite enough protein to feed everybody so i Sliced the i took about a five inch chunk of backdrop and sliced it. Not all the way through about three cores way through right like a butterfly like a butterfly put. Cream cheese jalapenos The outside and then wrapped in bacon and took each piece of bacon and toothpick into the meat right. So i've made a little swedish log out of this back strap. It sounds amazing. It's it's absolutely my favorite thing to do. A man and you put that on the barbecue again not low heat not high heat but you and if i had to pick a degree probably four hundred degrees not six hundred but not to share your right and that takes a little bit longer and i don't like to put it right on the flames. I like to put a higher up in up in the top of the girl So you kind of getting more than induction heat cooking from everywhere not just from the bottom but you do want to cook it till the bay concered and the cream cheese starts oozing out from the middle once. You've done that in venice and you can eat it pink in the middle and you're safe you're not going to get because there's no bacteria that had time to really get in there and make you sick and you don't wanna overcook it either. 'cause shula leather and so that's the idea what that bacon wrapped around the outside is you're protecting it from the heat to to drive out too fast and the cream cheese kind of permeates all the way through the middle. You gotta have the jalapenos in there. patrick o. dude. You don't have to convince me that i love all opinions. I mean it's basically like one big jalapeno popper and then you slice that again thin you know. I wouldn't go quite as go quarter inch on that. Maybe even you can go up to half an inch and then you just dig in on that and boy. Oh boy that sounds really good and it's also upper time. So so that's i mean it's a little more work takes a little more prep time but that is main both are not an easy clean. Prep you know it's not just taken out of the bag. You have to get your hands dirty after cutting board dirty to prep these dishes but it's not rocket science so we ate that i mean every night we'd count sit around and tell stories a who saw what and show pictures and look at trail cam pictures and this was a over election week left two days before the election. I'm really glad that i was just while. All the pandemonium and chaos and uncertainty was going on. I turn my phone off and sat there and watch deer and squirrels and rabbits sounds like a good idea. It was really funny. The night of the election. I went fishing just as unlike i just would rather be out where it's quiet and went and hammered on some wall walleyes because i mean that's way more enjoyable worrying about who's going to be the next this or that whether it'd be president or whatever so that's smart so you got the white tail off the list and obviously you enjoyed it too. You're going back so you're gonna fit this in sometime. I'm assuming this next fall with everything else you got going on so we we've reserved with the with the ranch the same the same week you know for next year already and i'm in after you know i took the first nice legitimate great buck i saw and i mean there's guys that hunt for years and don't get knocked him a buck that i realized that fortunate and blessed and thankful that i get to go do that but i shot the smaller buck. That was in that timber zo. You're going to hopefully get a bigger one goal is and in a one of our listeners will will laugh. He's gone hunting with me once or twice. But i'm pretty known for being an elk knob right a small waghorn coming how we can do better Let that one girl But there's something ingrained in me from growing up deer hunting with my dad where we went one weekend. You see a deer you shoot it or you go home without a deer. It's just that's the way it was you know. And i get it. I understand it but that's still a little bit the last couple of times. I've gone mule deer hunting here in wyoming a four-point steps out of the four point. We better shoot right now so year before. Last i spent five days rifle mule deer hunting and i held out and just watched box and held out and just looked pretty dang. Good buck patrick. That's good and so this. Next time. When i go back in you have to be prepared to eat the tag. And that's that's if you're if you're looking more for a protein fill the freezer hunt it a cow tag or get an any deer tag and i'm by no means shaming anybody for doing that. I do that all the time. Proteins important protein super important. And that's again. The reason i'm going is is the camaraderie the camp the fun and some protein. But as you start to get more and more tags right then you can start to get a little more selective and yeah yeah so hopefully going to go back and get get get an opportunity to to try it again and maybe that maybe nobody got that. Bigger bucket was in that timber. There's a good chance he still walking around because those big bucks. Don't get big by being stupid. So you know one thing. I will say that made it really interesting. Nobody had been down in that. Two hundred acre farm all-season and so instead of us just going through their gung ho barely encroach just to the perimeter set up. Nobody nothing new that we were there and they were still in their pattern and routine and came right out. If we've gone trump through there they would have changed routines change betting areas. I mean you don't. Yeah with any species. I mean same thing with fish. You don't wanna get on there when you know. Get on their beds and scare them out of there and they won't be back if you can get out to where they go feeding and leave their betting area alone you know you run your boat motorola right over the reed bed of these bigger fish that you're targeting they're going to do the same thing. Oh absolutely i mean that happens every summer. you know we're out walleye fishing and we're at a spot where we're doing while intimate takes a jet ski over the spot it's usually fouled up for a while you know they'll scattered no comeback. It can mess things up for a little bit. So i definitely understand that philosophy. No with turkey's that can be your advantage especially fall turkeys amid of heard a lot of guys and some states go check legality but the flock up some places they take a dog out and let the dog run out and chase him. Well if you go break them up right there and get them to scatter in three. Or four you know. Scattered to the winds said a decoy up and set right down right there our to later. They're all gonna come back and there. Hey we gotta meet here again so we go where we're going meet at the rendezvous point. You're already there. That doesn't work so well. With mature deer bedded in the timber. So but the other philosophy is by us hunting that same tree. Stand day after day after day. Deer got to the point where they were used to human smell right there on the trail and they start walking down the trail. Because they're like. I've been here for three days smelling the same thing when they're not being pressured like you said you guys were the first ones. I mean that. That's a huge advantage for you because a lot of these people that are probably gonna listen to this. That are hunting white tells alike. Yeah that just doesn't happen where i matt. Yeah i get it being pressured public land ear or a different game. It's tough. i'm. I'm not trying to say that this was anything like that. I mean pressured. Public land mule deer pressured. Public land elk is my forte. And i know what that's about and there's you know when you're going for states away it pays to have somebody they're doing some homework for you or get some access and you can do the same thing elk hunting. You know if you can sure find a ranch to especially cow elk. If you're going to draw one out of state see if you can you know. Make a couple of phone calls and find just access. You don't even have to hunt on the ranch if you can just access a national force through a ranch. And i'm not saying it's easy. They don't hand that out all day long for a reason. But you find those spots or you look at a map and you figure out. Hey i'm going to hike all the way around this ranch where there's no roads you're gonna really quickly stumble upon where the games that because they're responding to the pressure they're going. They're moving away from that pressure. Yeah absolutely for every action. There's an equal and opposite reaction. So they're gonna move now that's great so in. Oh one big difference between the western style. Hunting that i do and back there is. I didn't really have any shots. I set my. I stand up and had some forty yard shots but they were. You know one or two small lanes out. When i'm hunting out west here patrick. There's a lot of times it's forty fifty even sixty yard shots. And i know guys are like getting big is what wait a second. Well i've got one hundred twenty yards static range at my house and i routinely practice at that range in the wind in the win. But i don't justify. I mean my max distances fifty five yards and it doesn't matter how far i practice my max distances because that's a four inch group. I shoot a four to five inch group at fifty five yards and routinely can do that and feel very confident that distance but i shoot a lot so for our listeners out. There is if you're trying to figure out. Is my max effective range with my particular firearm. Draw foreign circle on your target and just keep moving back and shooting. You know three or five round groups once pull one shot off that group. That's your distance and it's the other way you could look at that. Mentally is take a twelve inch target. And just keep shooting at shooting at shooting at at till you miss a twelve inch target and then cut that distance in half because twelve inches kind of vitals. But if you cut that in half you're now increasing your chances of success. And i don't care if you can hit it pie plate at two thousand yards. Great that makes your your effective your i. I'm not a big long-range proponent. I can't shoot that far. Kudos to the guys that can. But you know i think no matter. You're hunting with wherever are i. Don't care for using a pickup. You need to calibrate. It need to be effective. And you need to know what you ranges. So that's that's one of the big differences is the other thing when you're hunting out west here typically. You're on the same elevation as the animal. It might be uphill downhill slightly. But typically you're on the same side hill writer. You might be shooting waist-deep higher waist-deep low but when you're whitetail hunting you're always at a steep down at your up the tree and shot placement on though when you when you take and put that severe angle at that makes your your window for shooting overshooting under now. Don't have a twelve inch tall target. You now have about a four inch white target. And that's you get out so you get too high or too low and you're talking either wound or complete myth so you know i get it that why the white tail guys one have those twenty and thirty art shots one thing to really pay attention to look at see guys. Putting tree stands thirty. Five feet up a tree. I mean i i gotta get out of the win column and i gotta do this and do that while you're now every every foot you go higher you're making your shot angle circle around your tree where you can be effective smaller and smaller and smaller. I was twelve feet up a tree that came and made he looked kinda up at the tree but the tree was all behind me and the tree was wider than i was and i held ill super still while he looked up at me again. I wasn't hunting pressure deer hunting. A private land dear not a public land ear but still. It wasn't if i would move. He would iran off. Yeah needs tree in each situation's going to be kind of accustomed deal. I mean you know depending on where you're at right. I mean you're you're cottonwood. Trees going to be different than somebody else's street or whatever and i'm not saying don't hang your tree wherever you're hanging but have a reason to justify why you're doing right just maximize your spot. Why am i using this pound test. Not that pound test. Why am i using treble. Hook not a single hook. Why am i using this debate over what you know. Why are we fishing. This side of the lake. Not that if as long as you have a reason and sometimes we figure out some of this stuff trial air. Hey i tried that spotter. I tried that hook and i've lost several. I'm going away from that. Yep or you're like. I didn't think this would work and man that was great. those are always the better ones. Yes yes and. This was the first trip that i ever tagged out day. One and i. I'm going back and forth and now i've decided that i would prefer to tag out the last evening of the last day of hunting because then you get the full enjoyment and because i was tagged out i felt a little bit of a poll called to come home. Well you got your dear. Come home and get back to work and might going on. This hunt wasn't main. Harvesting deer was secondary was a bonus. Going on the hunt was going on the fishing trip that the night of the election. It was just going to remove myself from situation gohmert myself in nature. So i'm yeah i would. I would much rather i mean in in mind. The perfect hunt is we plan two days or ten days or twenty days and the last evening before i have to home so i still have time to do everything i need to. I'm not rushed to get at the last evening and feel that. There's this level of accomplishment that you stuck with it you stuck it out. You've worked really hard. So and i mean i got to stay in those other guys. They they hunted hard. They passed up some smaller bucks. Probably some two year olds and the one guy had his trad bow and messed up on that bigger bucket. That was in that timber. And when i say bigger and we're talking like one seventy class so i'm excited to go back and see if he's in there and get first crack at it again and so we'll do we'll do missouri two point. Oh and worse case scenario. I'm going to take some pictures of some squirrels and some birds. And i'm gonna just watch the sunset from a tree stand and have the wind in my face enjoy nature and do a little distressing in a in a and just watch the beautiful nature around you. There's nothing wrong with that. And you know the bonus would be more dear heart you start more protein. Nothing better than that. Well that's my. That's my thoughts on whitetail hunting. Some of the differences you know. And like i said yeah. There's there's some minute differences the species the things you do different but the biggest thing is to really just justify why you're doing that that way and the one thing out west here you know i get. I leave the pickup. And i just kind of put the win my face and i start walking and i walk and walk and walk. Can you gotta be in shape. And i'm not as good a shape as i should be to to be hardcore western hunter but back there. You know mostly what it is. Pick the stand for the wind and you just walk in and sit for that wind but because we were using self climbers and even when i was filming there was some ladder stands setup and i went with the other the other guys to film for them. Well we didn't have to stand setup. So i'd climb up the ladder stand with my climber on my backpack in my backpack. Get up there. Set the ladder. Set the self climber in the same tree four to six feet higher than ladder. Stand in that way. I could be filming right over shooter shoulders and we had some close calls and it was fun but i mean physically every morning. I'm i got a full backpack in a tree. Stand on my back every day. So just because you're back east doesn't mean you don't need to be in shape that's going to allow you to get into some of these spots that are stead of three hundred yards from the truck. Maybe you're going to go a mile a half down orig- down a logging road up another ridge and set up in a spot where nobody's hunting and those are the places you gotta start looking. One thing i learned is a lot of guys back there. Don't don't quarter. They don't scan they. Don't do that in the field and a lot of it is like. Dr requires you have to check in a whole deer. And i kinda understand that. But if i had to check in a holyoke badger you'd be screwed. I'd be way more selective where i shoot them things so where you hunt. There's no way no no well. I'm glad you got that check off list so done white is going. You know the one thing is. He's he's a nice white tail and my wife doesn't quite you know she's used to the other trophies in the house which phenomenal looks at skills. Just deer you just need to. You need to just plaque out that. When i'm like no that's my first white tail. I've been waiting. We're going to so when that shoulder mounted shows up. David might be in trouble again. 'cause i don't know if there's room for it but well my favorite's the coup we'll have to talk about. The one he stays with. The kuda is the coolest lackawanna minded. That's why we will talk about it but that was similar to this and the fact that oh. I grew up watching sports channel saturday morning on. They're always shooting him cutie. Said i gotta go find one of them. They're so cool it can here. We will do. A an african special will become enough fun while everybody again. Thanks for joining us at rag. 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RADCast Outdoors Episode #52: Spring Post Spawn Walleye Fishing Tips and Tricks

RADCast Outdoors

32:05 min | 5 months ago

RADCast Outdoors Episode #52: Spring Post Spawn Walleye Fishing Tips and Tricks

"On this episode of rag cast outdoors. We're going to talk about spring. Post spahn walleyes which is always a lot of fun after. They've dropped their eggs and they start heading out for their summer hunt. So we're gonna talk about some different things that you can try some presentations in some areas to look to catch that next limit of walleye for the next fish. Fry your house so sit back and relax and we're going to do. Another episode of rag cast outdoors. This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on letting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards. Hey patrick what's really good about. Having a good friend that goes walleye fishing. What's that you get wall. I occasionally yeah. I don't usually turn down. Wally on sunday. We fried up package. It magically appeared in my fridge it was pretty awesome and it was really good. Cook it up the same way. I do halibut. Little bit of high mountain seasoning. Little flower little egg rolled around trojan small and the pan till it's golden brown at. Does it get any better net. You can use as far as breading. I like panko. I'm panko fan Right japanese breadcrumbs. But you can use rich crackers. I mean you can use flour. You could use pancake batter way anything right. That's get a hold some greece and stick to it definitely got bag that we put some seasoning in there so i try to new method. This weekend i had some northern pike in some walleye. And i tried. The gourmet fish seasoning from high mountain on one and then the by bass on the pike and the by you best also high mountain seasoning which one was better. I really liked the by bass. I think i would to buy you best better too but i also did this thing where i made a i made a ruined then made a cream base and i put the by. Basque seasoning into that and mixed it up really good and Once we once. I got that mixed into the cream and then put that over the fish. I mean that was foof. I was really good. I'm not gonna die that it was but that cream sounds like A non dairy person's nightmare. Yeah so we did that I baked it in the oven to cook it but it turned out really really well but yeah the having the walleye in the freezer and having walleye this time of year. It's always nice to do so. I figured why not talk about how to get some walleye and some methods because a lot of people. They've got fish patterned certain times of year. But they don't really have them pattern throughout the year and Walleyes i'll just tell you they don't stay in one spot. It's one of those fish that you know they go. The food goes the food moves so they move. It sounds like a little bit like black bears. Yeah go back episode fifty one and you can check out black bears. Yeah wall i they wander they move in the they're fairly easy to figure out as far as spawn and where they're gonna go. They're going to go somewhere where they've got gravel beds the kind of drop off into like especially out here in the west so reservoirs. They're going to go somewhere. Where there's gravel beds that kind of drop off into the main river channel or some some kind of flowing water so they're gonna head for that but when they get done dropping their eggs and you know doing the spa thing. Then they're going to start dispersing throughout like the main reservoir or the river or wherever. They're at so. do they. Break off in pairs or small groups. So they just they've they've found a spot where nobody else goes and they're going to get that food typically big schools and so when they break out of their there. You're going to have a massive fish. So they kind of mass up from different areas into that spawning area and when they take off they're in smaller groups but they're still fairly big groups typically when you find them. You're gonna start catching you know. You'll catch a fish. You'll catch another fish. Catch another fish because they're all kind of stacked up there together and so one of the things you can do is you can find that spawning area kind of figure out when you know they're spawning and you can go out there and do all the reading you on that. But you figure out when they're spawning and then you can kind of move with them and sometimes it's one hundred yards sometimes. It's a quarter of a mile. Sometimes it's a half a mile you know. But they'll start working their way out to their summer haunts because they're hungry and they're depleted because they've dropped their eggs and then they wanna go find something. Eat so it's not like a samoyed. They dropped their eggs and die. It's they're they're they're very much alive. They've lost all those calories and they want to replenish them. Yeah exactly so one of the things that you'll see is they'll start moving up all shallow to i mean they'll they'll come up on on the rocks. They'll come up into the weeds. They're typically looking for crawfish. Minnows bug hatches. Anything that's gonna fit in their mouth pretty much Trout and other mice anything. They're going to be down a little deeper. But you know they're going to come in. What i mean by deeper is on the bottom. They're not going to be looking for surface stuff as much but they're gonna be out there and they're going to be stacked up Recently i went out took my little boy for his birthday and was looking for something similar. You know on that pattern so you had water coming. In one end of the reservoir you go about a mile down because it's too late now you know. They've spun out for a while most of them. And there's a spot where water in. Oh you have the main river channel. It comes up and then you have this kind of you come up from like thirty feet to six seven feet and it's right off of main lake point. Guess what the fish were all stacked up right there and it was pretty easy to catch him And that's that's the thing about wall is in the pulse spun. They're a little harder to find sometimes because they move a lot but they're really hungry once you do find them. It's not like they're gonna shy away from that food. It's not like that. Midwinter is where they're just being lethargic and all of these fisher are going to pound that right there really hungry so imagine you take a hiking trip up into the mountains and you go up there for a full day and all you take with you is maybe just like a small snack and by the time you get back that night. You're hungry well that's how these walleyes are. They're they're tired but the feedback on they start eating and that pattern really continues all the way into fall and into winter like early winter. So you'll see you know walleyes. They're very catchable from now till fall. Oh yeah i mean. They in the summer their metabolism increases. And so they just eat more and more but you know especially after the spahn. They're pretty hungry. And so you're making me hungry talking about while i patrick. Especially if they're fried. Oh man it's it's about as getting eating as you can get. But i think a lot of people they they get in their own head with walleye and for a lot of years is that you know you you get intimidated by the fact that they moved so much. It's like well. what am i gonna find. Where am i going to find him. And it's almost like analysis paralysis you know and so if you're locked the bank and you're shoring ling. It's a little bit more difficult. I mean you you can't move is easily just like when you're ice fishing. Typically i mean you. It's a lot of work to drill those holes in ceo. We need to move half mile the next bay or cove or whatever. It's like well we just yes that everything is not easy so you can't just you know it'd be like oh well i'm gonna go four hundred yards that way. It's it doesn't work quite that way. But if you're in a boat one of the nice things that you can do is you can look at a map when we talked about this with bear. Hunting chew can go onto google maps. You can pull up a reservoir a river a lake. Whatever it is and you can analyze it and you can say okay on this reservoir. I've got water coming in here here and here. Sometimes it's a lot steeper like our fishing from the shore. You want to know kind of what the drop is going to be. So you gotta look at the different views so that you can kind of see that but if you can find so where the water is coming in where it looks like might be a good spawning bed. Then you can kind of work your way down the shoreline and you can see kind of the path that the wall as they're going to have to take i mean they they they have to go somewhere and they're going to exhaust food in that area so they're going to have to move so you can trace it back find those main points. You can look to see where you have transitions from. Maybe like a muddy bottom to a rock bottom where you have the river channel and where it kinda comes up and you have a transition point because that's where the bates going to hang out in this time of year. While is they really liked. Crawfish crawfish are a good way for them to regenerate you know back on some some pounds and and kind of refresh themselves after all that exertion. So you know if you can find a rocky shoreline where those transitions are one of the best ways to search those areas one to troll so you control crank baits. You control crawler harnesses. You control a lot of different things. So you control through there and i can do the same thing walking down the bank right. Just throw a couple of cass out. Move on to throw couple of if i'm working a shoreline and i'm on foot you know you can take like Suspending miniver eight. Or a listless crank bait like that. Pk rattler you can throw it out there and you can work at now. Why lift lewis instead of lip to crank baits. Well listless crank bait. You can control a little bit more. So like crank bait. Let's say you're fishing off of a steep ledge and you wanna fish towards the bottom. It's easy to do that. Because you can cast lip bliss crank bait outlet it drop count it down and then work back lower in the water column if you have a you know floating bait. You're limited to how deep at that bake can dive. If you're fishing is suspended bait same thing it can only go to a certain point so the nice thing about a listless crank. I can cast it really far. Because they're usually fairly heavy. You can go to quarter three half ounce whatever you can cast out a really long ways and let it sink to whatever spot you want. Some people like if fears fishing like a a sandy flat. Or something like that you can cast you can let that sink all the way the bottom and then you can rip it off the bottom and let it drop rip it off the bottom line and just like across ed coming up and going down coming up going to various active same with the. Pk like flutter. Fisher pk spoon. You can do that as well but you also run the risk of getting hung up so you kinda have to weigh that option in your head of you know. Do i want to try that or not. But that is a great search bait because you can cast that retrieve it cast it retrieve it But probably one of the best of all time and allender talked about this. You go back to episode thirty seven listen to it. But if you're fishing jig for walleyes with just like either a curly tail or paddle tail. It's really hard to beat that presentation because you can cast it anywhere you want. You can work at fast. You can work at slow you can work it on the bottom. You can work in the middle of the water column you work towards the top. It's is really dependent on you on how you wanna work. It and wall eyes are extremely susceptible to jigs they like jigs like grubbs. They like the paddle tales. It just seems to be the kind of presentation that just gets all their senses. Going if you're gonna put together just a quick tackle box of i'm going to go. Post spawn walleye fishing. And say your best bet is. You're gonna want one of those jigs with a body on it so either Curly tails always good. Anna paddle tales. Always good so i would. I would recommend something like that. You probably want an eight ounce jig. Probably don't wanna go super heavy Because you want to be able to kind of bounce it along the shoreline the rocks that transition points so that would be my number one number two would be a crank bait either lips or suspending men abate. I've cut tons and tons of wall is on that suspending manabi and the listless crank. This year has done really well and that while i was on that so i mean they they. They do hit the other thing that you know. A lot of people don't think about. Is you know if you are in the boat in your trolling. Sometimes wall is like things moving really really fast and sometimes they like things moon slow so if if they like things. Moving fast tro cranks. Pk makes that ridge. Line crank bait. It is a good option. If you're gonna rip and go like two two and a half miles an hour and go around the shoreline they will hit it big rainbow trout. But if you have to slow down and you wanna go like a half a mile an hour up to a mile one point. Two one point three at pk. Warbler or kind of a in line. Crawler harness of some kind is going to be a really effective presentation. 'cause you can kind of hang it out in front of their fake. The wall i again. I mean it's not rocket science. I don't want people to think you know. Like i did for years all man. I just don't know where to find them. They're they're really not that difficult to find if you have the right bates in your box. You're going to be able to get quite a bit done. The other deathly step up and get some of those. Pk's and you know. Get get a few different options and colors and start out in that body of water where those fish and one thing. I've noticed some of the the really good guys either. Fly fishermen in abate trollers elk hunters archery rifle. Keep a journal that keynote book yet and in being able to go on april tenth. This was the moon phase. This was the temperature and the fish. Did this in the bears did this. And the elk. Did this being able to look back over that data and then you can start predicting of we've got a big weather and i'll give everybody. I'm i've got a really nice black tailed deer hanging on the wall. I mean really nice. Killed on the grounds bought stock with bone marrow during the day. Which you know. We've talked about those. Things are one hundred percent nocturnal. What happened is we got twelve inches of snow in the cascades. The next day it got sunny and warm all twelve inch of that. Snow didn't melt. It sloughed off the branch and started falling to the ground. And we're talking two hundred foot tall. Doug fir trees with every branch has eighteen fifty to eighteen inches of snow piled up on it so there was a lot of these snow plumes coming down. You know making this big noise and it was cold enough on the ground. That was building up like smoke. We put on white painter suits and hiked around in the snow following tracks and we killed three black tails in one weekend on the ground or so my dad my brother and i got one and that was i hunted years before that years after that where we just got the rain and just walked around looking at mt empty logging roads and empty stuff so knowing when the weather's gonna create a you know the weather's gonna create a specific pattern. Maybe and maybe you can talk about that. What what do all is due when that water temperature suddenly changes or the or the cloud cover suddenly changes. Here's another hack is everybody's got a cell phone so if you take pictures of your fish and you keep like you save like on my iphone. I have favorites. You can look at the dates of when you cut those fish and you can see the time when you cut those fish and so it works almost like a journal. I keep a journal too. But it's nice to be able to go back and have a visual reference of okay on june twenty four. Th i was fishing at such and such a spot using such and such lure in this was the weather and you can kind of tell a the listeners. One we were power bait fishing with the kids and i had Some number eight and some number twelve treble hook and the number eight treble hook out fish. The number twelve like ten to one right. I put it. I just had a little tiny treble hook. Put it on the little kids fishing rod his little toy walmart clicker real threw it out there. He caught three fish and the adults were throwing twice. As far with bigger gobs of power bait and bigger trouble hooks just to get the kids some fish right. Well what. I figured out. Is that lighter hook. Even though it's got less power based on it is gonna float higher off the bottom. Even though they're the same leader the same weight and those trout were being very subtle with their bite. And i'm sure they were feeling that bigger hooker the tension before they actually swallowed it and they were gone and it wasn't floating high in the water column. You know so it was. They were having a hunt for a little more than they weren't finding it as much so it took me two trips to figure that out of why is this little hook outperform. An i mean. We're talking the same bait. We're talking the rods two feet away from the other one. It's not in a better spot. You know those trout just cruising through but presentation was different presentations. A big deal in fishing and just like with anything. But i mean if if you don't present the bait right you're not gonna catch fish. That's just the bottom line. The other thing too is understanding what fisher gonna do in reaction to x. y. and z. Lot of different factors. But you gotta learn that you have to learn either you read it or watch it or go out and learn it for a. I have gone a lot of times when i was younger. And i didn't catch much. You know we out some here and there and then you start to figure out patterns you. Start to figure out what kind of presentation works like. Can i can work a crank bait pretty decent to where. I know that i can get fish jacket. You know i mean you just you learn that over time and it's not something that you're just gonna know automatically in walk out there and do it. You know over the years. I've had a lot of trips where they weren't as successful. But you pick up one or two things that worked now. Maybe you go out and you fish near like i'm going to try these five spots one of the spots you catch two or three fish and you're like oh well what was good about that spot or what was different about my presentation and you kinda learn what worked and what didn't work will same with postponed. Wally move really fast. And so you may hit ten different spots and you have to move fairly quickly but when you find them you better have a presentation that works. You know it's one thing to find them. It's a whole nother thing to actually put them in the boat. One of the things that you've got to think about is you know what depth the water they in what presentation is going to be best for that depth of water and are they even interested in that. So how do you know that you change bates a lot. Or if you're like me and you go on the boat. You probably have two or three rods already rigged with whatever presentations you plan on using that day and every time i go fishing whether with you or anybody i i i find myself spending more time changing ricky gray to whatever the the person i'm with using or just that's the one thing i like about fly fishing but even then i'm always i. I'm gonna try this wet flyer. This dry flyer. I'm gonna switch to beat ed or mini go to this keller but when you finally find the presentation and the thing that's working right then it's kinda magic it is and you don't wanna spend time with your lure out of the water always telling my kids. It's like the more time that that presentation is in the water. The more successful you are going to be on average and that's that's true with any kind of fishing so if you're you know especially if you're walleye fishing typically you're not fishing super fast. You know you're going to be working your lower but you're not going to be working at really fast and so having longer casts working. You know the bait. And here's another thing that you need to think about is when you're making casts on a shoreline for walleyes. There's a couple of different presentations. I liked to us. So let's say you're on a reservoir and you're fishing off of a point one thing that you want to do. Is you wanna work from the point. Back out to your boat or if you're on the shoreline you wanna work straight out from that point and hop uphill back toward the bank. The other thing that is key that a lot of people don't do is working parallel that shoreline. So let's say you know you're casting straight off that point and you're working at back in your hooking up with fish eight feet from the bank. Well i think mirela might be better but yeah they might actually be stacked up. You know ten feet deep all along shoreline. So all you have to do is turn. Your body cast more parallel to that shoreline and work that deaths now instead of two percent of your retrieve you your through a calm fish. Now in all three quarters or half. Your tree is through that colleagues. So typically when fisher running shorelines you'll see us with small mouth bass trout walleye. Del work the same depth in a group and they work in a line. And so if you're fishing that and you find him in fifteen feet. That's probably where you wanna stay you know. And if you're trolling same kind of thing. If you're seeing them at fifteen feet. You're trolling over that spot in your starting to hit fish. That's what you want to stick with the same thing for big game hunting. Patrick i mean we the last episode we talked about blackberries and i said you know it. It works for deer. It works elk. It works for if you find something at three thousand foot elevations during this type of forge season moving to nine thousand is not a good call moving two thousand now. You know same thing if you find him fifteen. That doesn't mean you're not going to catch at seventeen or twelve. But don't all of a sudden switch to seventy feet of water now. And and i've seen fishermen do this the wall. I be in six feet of water. But they're so used to trolling twenty feet of water that they stay out and twenty feet of water and they may be catch one fish. And i'm like okay. All you have to do is motor up here to six feet of water change. What you're doing a little bit and you're going to have your limit and thirty minutes or forty five minutes but people get into a rut of what they think they know right and it's comfortable to not switch in you know i've had success doing this. I just going to keep hammering it out. And just keep struggling. And i'll i'll have success eventually right and sometimes that's just in all the fish aren't biting we've gone and the moon phases been wrong in the water colors been wrong and we. We didn't catch a little fish. It's a learning moment. yeah don't don't go fishing on the on the moon's just just wait and go the next week but i mean the same thing is anything. Bears are the same way elka same way. There's there's gonna be extracurricular input you know whether whatever it is. That's going to change just because you were successful. Maybe the last ten years in this spot this time without lure it's time to change it up and try sometimes. It's only a few feet. Sometimes you're going from six feet deep or you're presenting your bait to ten feet. And that's it i mean really and maybe it's one hundred yards down the shoreline compared to what it was last year the year before i mean usually it's not that huge of a difference like sometimes it is but you know whether can play into that. I mean you could like the other day. When i had my boy out there. It was right before a huge storm and the wind blew. Let me tell you. Holy moly is like a hurricane but we off before that but you know you can have a weather system move in and the wall is move out. They could be in seven eight feet of water before the storm hits and when the storm hits there and thirty five forty fifty feet of water down in that calm or walking out of getting out of there or the reverse can happen where the storm comes in and fisher deep and because the wind is blowing and smashing lays up against the shoreline. There starts to be some feed their available for them. Sometimes they'll be in two three feet of water and that stuff that you have to learn over time. But i'll tell you this this post spahn by if you're looking to get some fish and have a fish fry. It can be a lot of fun but bahrain to move around you know if you catch him at such and such spot two days ago. Don't expect them to still be there five days from now most of the time they're gonna move because again changes. It was their source so the temperature is going to be a big on roy. Yeah 'cause that's gonna pro predict what what foods available it can cause hatches. You know the one thing. People don't realize about wall is they do like bugs. And when there's a huge hatch going on they'll will get after and also the fish that the wall is eat also like bugs. So they're out. yeah so when. There's a hatch going on the wall as will be around somewhere guarantee they'll either but those are just some just some easy tips. You know when you when you're looking for postpone walleye be ready to move around right before that summer period. Because they travel a long ways they can travel miles from where they spawned so be ready to search. Be ready to look but when you find them they're probably going to be fairly concentrated and another thing to just before i forget this. Is you know this time of year people. Forget about the weather and check the weather forecast before you go out in a boat especially We had when i took my boy out. I think the wind got up to seventy eighty miles an hour out there after we got off and i knew it was common so we got the fishing trip in in that little window that we had. But you gotta be really careful. Got around the casper. The get construction material right and i came home pushing ahead win and i came across the causeway there and looked across the lake and it looked like the ocean. I mean just brutal whitecaps that have been out there in a big boat let alone a little one. now you didn't want to be out there period. I mean even just standing on the about knock you over. I mean it was the real deal so got to be careful but get your family out there. Go harvest some walleye. Send us some pictures. We'd love to see him leave an itinerary. Where you're going when you're gonna come back please. We'll have a we'll have a podcast lissome search and rescue friends of mine. Talk about some things because yeah you don't wanna be having people come look for you if get hurt so life jacket on the boat fire extinguisher on the boat. There's some of these things i know. We we hammer the safety a little bit. But it's things happen. No matter what our outdoor activity you're doing you're already putting yourself in a lesson desires desirable situation to be rescued right. I mean if if we have an issue here at the house pretty easy for nine one one to get here pretty simple when when you're out bear hunting when you're out walleye fishing when you're out just mushroom picking you know things can happen and weather can turn or in whatever you can usually most of those incidences. It's it's not the hypothermia that killed somebody right which was inevitably the cause. Or it's not you know the exposure to whatever elements. It's the sprained ankle. That led to the lack of gear. That led to the you know and it's a lot of people have said you know making your your thumb just a little bit with a knife. It is not immediately. You're in mortal danger but you now compromise that hand to where maybe start a fire. You can't flick that bic with thumb because you've nicked it with a knife right and if you can't get started fire started. Then you get hypothermic and then you get delusional then you strip your clothes off and run around right so just guys be careful out there. Please just be a two percent of common sense of. Hey i'm just gonna leave a tell whoever. Hey i'm going to do this. I'm going to be back at this time mary guys. I know you're tough. But while your spouse now where you're going and let them know when you're going to be back. Because i mean i have a friend that while i have. I've had a couple of friends get hurt this year. One tore his achilles. Another one broke his femur. You don't know and these are on fishing trips. I mean you gotta be careful. You're if you're hopping rocks around shorelines. Fishing rivers and waiters. Bad stuff can app really fast soon. A lot of times. I'm taking the oldest boy overnight. Here they're right. And i let my spouse know that. Hey we're going approximately this drainage or trail head or this area and we should be backed by this time right and it's not that i want to be babysat or checked up on. Its if i have a vehicle issue. If i have a health issue if i have any kind of issue and overdue i want somebody to raise an alarm. Maybe my cellphone's dead. Maybe the you know you don't know but it it's way too easy to just leave an itinerary and that does trigger a this person's overdue and then a search party does start showing them in a survival situation minutes matter so it is a big deal but One last thing we talk about our other sponsor here is wider. So that's another tool in the tool belt. That is you know it's handy right and i would say on on these walleye trips. 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RADCast Outdoors Episode #51: Spring Time Bear Hunting Tips and Tricks

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #51: Spring Time Bear Hunting Tips and Tricks

"Hello and welcome to another. Episode of rod cast outdoors. We've been trucking along having fun. Spring is in full bloom. We actually have some nice weather outside. Perfect to get out and do a little spring bear. Hunting season hasn't quite wrapped up. But we got some tips and tricks this episode on what to do to try and get a spring bear. This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on putting fishing at everything in between this is red cast outdoor pure david merrill and patrick edwards will. Hi everybody. it's good to be back. I'm glad to be here on radio. Land thankful you're still here with us checking us out. Go stop by the website. Make sure you check out all the swag we got going. We just got done with our giveaway. That was pretty cool. We had a lot of people intrigued in engaged in that so that was neat to see all our fans and listeners. 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You know this last episode was episode fifty for david nice. So that's kind of big deal kind of a big milestone for us we. We weren't really sure how many episodes we were going to get through but we when we first set out. We committed to do and twelve and see how it went. And we're we're way past that now. And i'm still i'm loving it having fun so i'm sticking around about you. I think it's going to be awesome. And there's a lot of ideas and We've got some good guests lined up for the future. And so i think the future is bright for us. And today we're gonna talk about spring bear and this is definitely out of my wheelhouse. This is definitely in david's wheelhouse but know spring bear. I hear from a lot of friends a a lot of fun. And my buddy south up in idaho. He makes an annual event out of it. And so i wanted to pick your brain so tell me a little bit about spring bear. We'll it's probably one of the best ways to cure cabin fever right. Been cooped up all winter especially here in the northern half of the united states and we've been stuck inside way too long in its. The grass is getting green. The flowers are popping. And i've i've always relished my time taking a four day five day seventy spring bear hunt especially if you draw tag in a unit somewhere and going with a group of guys go spring bear hunting and it's it's just a different. It's a different animal. I mean as far as the hunt and the the self right you are. You are hunting predator and you know we could. We could talk for hours about whether that's right wrong or indifferent and i don't wanna get super political about it. We're gonna talk about what what you do if you're gonna go out if you don't wanna spring bear hunt or you're not into it go go. Go go do something else today. I know the the bears here in wyoming. I mean black bears. They wake up in the springtime. They're hungry they're ready to get out and about just like we are. I mean they have cabin fever worse than we do. They don't get up in the middle of winter. So you know what are they. What are you look for as far as patterns and you know when you're trying to set up a plan for a bear hunt what do you look for. So they're gonna be you know the first week or two they wake up. They're pretty sluggish pretty groggy. They're not very active. So it kind of depends you going early in the season or later in the season. That's really gonna depend on what you're doing but for the most part you you got. Two options really is some states. You can bear other states. It's purely glossing spotting stocking right so you can't bait will just go down that road rabbit hole and the that's the most fun for me. I do. I have made it bears. I have nothing against bathing bears. It's actually a lot of fun to check child cameras. You're a little more controlled in your environment. And so it's a lot easier to take newbies or children you know in into a bear bait barrel and and have some success and opportunity. So i'm by no means thumbing my nose up at bathing bears because it's actually a lot of fun. My favorite part is just checking trail cameras and seeing which bears are coming in and you know sometimes watching the interactions between two bears at the barrel at the same time. So so what kind of stuff thrown in that barrel you need to check regulations per state. You know some states. You need to preregister your bait some states. You even have to you know lottery. Draw to preregister a square mile like this date. And then you can put a bait out a most states. You cannot use game meat of any kind so whether it be fish whether that be meet you. Can't you know that's not appropriate. Means a lot of people will use dog food. that's a that's a good one Honestly donuts and popcorn heard about the donuts. They'll let some popcorn with All give a shout out to campaigns. He had a recipe for bear. Crack and kool-aid marshmallows and sugar reduced down import over the top of popcorn and donuts is a cause. And you cook it right at the bait so you get that burnt sugar smell wafting and yeah there you. Hey booboo you know ranger says if we read one more picnic basket right the. There's some truth in that as far as When i was in alaska i don't remember specifically the regulations but you couldn't use a lot of different things right you can use and so i was pretty much relegated down to i used O and mixed it with molasses and put it out there and that's corn oats and barley right but the grizzly bears were really liked. That i've got some cool pictures of two bears up fighting. And i got a couple of daylight pictures of just a ten foot giant est. I mean five foot at the shoulder type bear which is that's a that's a vw beetle. Walking down the road towards you know joke though. That was a little eerie walking into that bait by yourself. I mean i'm definitely pistol and shotgun and head on a swivel and every twig. Snap your to refill that thing. You're in change the card get back out of there. And i never harvested to bear on that barrel. I have harvested other bears on barrels. Before and like you said the the harvest is just a small portion of that. There's a ton of work that goes into establishing the bait following the rules getting a supply of some sort of eight Beef tallow is a really good. Go by a butcher and see if you can get some of that stuff you know they. They're omnivores right. They eat about everything but the higher fat content you can get higher carbs higher fat so sugars and you know Beavers actually beaver. Carcasses is a wonderful bait. Took a long nap. So they're looking for something to get their system going again. And so that'll segway. I mean before we get off of baiting you really. You're going to go hunt. You want your tree. Stand to be within about twenty yards of the barrel forty would be max. You know mitt and you don't wanna be thirty five feet up a tree but you don't wanna be eight feet up a tree right that that fourteen to sixteen maybe even twenty foot range and you want to try and clear out some of the brush and shooting lane so you don't have branches in the way and you know it's set your camera. What i do is. I actually set my camera up. Pretty high eight feet off the ground. Put a stick behind it to angle it back down towards the barrel. I don't know what it is but you either get a little food smell human smell or whatever on your hands and you touch your camera. Bears love to put teeth Through your trail camera. it's doesn't work very long so if you can in a stand on a box stand on a log and put that cameras high you can reach and then put a stick on the top half of it to angle it about a twenty degree angled down. You'll still get all the pictures you want of the barrel. And most of the time. The bears will leave it alone. They still can climb up there and get after it but if you put four feet straight at the barrel you need a lotta knows pictures and you might get teeth mark in your camera so you know. There's just a few things like that of figuring out the prevailing wind from where you stand is and where you're barely is and where you think the bears are going to try and access and they're going to use the cover. They're not gonna walk across the middle of a meadow in the middle of the day right. They're gonna follow a creek. Bodmer follow a timberline. Or whatever you've got on your where you can legally bait and so paying attention to that prevailing wind so that you know what you wanna do is you wanna walk past your stand to the barrel with the wind in your favor when you're bathing it so when you sit in it you know you don't have to walk pasture barrel. You just walked your tree. Climate between you haven't left any center. I mean the bears are obviously gonna get used to human scent. What i found interesting is a in. We've we've hunted a few different barrels. A few different states and one of the biggest bears ever killed was killed. Fifteen minutes after guys got dropped off at the bay on a four we. Usually you know we'll park half mile three quarters miles away and sneak in but occasionally you know depending on what hunters we have some guys you know just if you have somebody drop you off and drive back out. A bear can be land up there to three hundred yards and hear that and think that you just refresh the barrel and he wants to get in there and beat his buddies right. It gets to be when it gets is when you get two or three bears hitting the same barrel and then there's some competition for that food just like any other resource once you get competition. They get a little less weary a little less in just elusive and they start becoming less nocturnal and they start hitting that barrel pretty consistent. So that's the goal is. You're trying to get a bear that you're kind of almost pattern and sometimes those bears will come in find that barrel and they'll just stay there for thirty six forty eight hours and just clean the barrel out When i was in alaska specifically bathing on the key national wildlife refuge with the permit you couldn't harvest grizzly bear in the spring over the barrel. So i actually only cut about a nine inch diameter hole in the top of my barrel. And i got pictures. Wealth put one on the. I had a thirty gallon heavy oil drum. Not a you know. A lotta guys. Fifty five gallon plastic ones or even metal ones but those are thinner. Well i use like three eight cable and cable ties and put three of them around the tree around the barrel well though that bear just sat there and swatted the hat bucket like a tennis racket and that just kept it would mean it. Was that ten foot bear. Couldn't get food out of it but if he hit it hard enough somewhat shake out by the time it was all don. My barrel looked like a crushed pop can mean he finally got it loose enough. He got sideways and he just jumped on it and just cratered it. So but he couldn't get his paw that nine inch hole in the black bears and the smaller griz good. So there's there's a tip of you know. Cut a small hole in your barrel. And that's for your alaska guys. That don't wanna have grizzly as many grizzlies living on your barrel but once you get a bear hitting consistently you can plan on going through about two two bags of dog food plus a kucherov a week right so a couple bags of popcorn at home. Whatever you can source whatever's legal definitely check drugs. But i was i was hauling in i had to House behind locked gates is going in on a mountain bike. And i would tie to fifty pound bags on either side of the frame of the bike and have to kind of pedal with this to bags. Didn't want to hike the couple miles into my bait. So that's pretty good hall has a good hole and you know if i ever got in trouble back there. Probably we wouldn't be having this conversation veteran so bathing with bears is. There's a ton of work that goes in to it pre and then you can have some better success like i said if you're taking young kids or newbies you can get up in that stand and be quiet and if you're gonna rifle hunter beer barrel. That's even easier. You know within one hundred yards you kind of need a clear lane to your barrel and you don't have to pay as much attention to to that prevailing wind. You still need to pay attention to it and kind of figure it out. And you don't want your sent blowing right at the baron you know in the mountains. You can't control the wind some nights it happens in those bears you. You'll notice if you're sitting in your standing in the winds on the back of your neck face in the barrel nine times out of ten. No bears show up. They just because as they approach it they can smell you and they just so. They're they're designed to stay alive. Patrick yeah they're smart also before we go too much further we'd better talk about some of our sponsors so Sponsor for this part of the podcast is bo spider. So if you guys haven't heard about the both spider yet been but the bow spider is the system for when you got a pack. Your bo- i imagine on a black bear on. It would be pretty helpful to you. Pack your bo- in potentially pack your vote up into the stand and have a place to hang it completely eliminates the pull rope and you're in that situation. You're not having your bow in your hand. I pack a firearm. Pack your oculus. You can be paying attention to what you're doing right. You get to your tree. Definitely where some sort of safety harness you know. There's a lot of macho guys out there. i don't need one. I don't i've never worn one. Oh i don't fall and know. I will say a couple of times. I've put mine up with. Put my stand up without a harness. Just put it up and get out of there. But when i'm hunting. I wear one and even i think about when i put it up. You know a fall from fourteen sixteen feet. I don't care how tough you are. You're you're gonna break your pelvis you're gonna break your back you're going to break some legs and if you're by yourself up there in the woods so definitely keep that safety mind but yeah bow spiders. I mean if you haven't figured that one out yet. Postponed dot com the website youtube instagram facebook although spider there's how to videos minutes of it's just another tool in the woods. Can you harvest a bear without one. Certainly doesn't make it more pleasant walking to and from that stand riding that bike to and from going down the tree. Certainly yeah so go to boast. Better dot com. Check them out and get one for your next spring bear hunt or archery o'connor whatever you plan on doing so with black bears. I mean what are some things. As far as the species goes that you need to be thinking of while. You're hunting them. Because i'm sure they don't behave exactly like other species. So black bears hibernate. So they're going to load up on calories all fall store a whole bunch of fat. They're gonna sleep. All winter consume that fat resource. So they're coming into spring starved main. Just super hungry. But that first two weeks they actually have a plug in their intestinal track. And they have to actually pass that plug. They'll one of their last meals and we talked a biologist but they eat some in a less digestible material grass hair whatever it might be in the kind of plugged her system up so that their digestive system isn't working all winter and that's weird to me and don't think about not going the bathroom for like one hundred twenty days again so they they wake up there a little bit out of it. They're kind of groggy and lethargic for the first ten days or so and then they start getting after it and when they get after it. I mean they really. They're gonna focus in kion lot of shrubs. Lot of grasses mostly in any any green grass slope is going to have bears hitting it when we drive over togadia where the grizzly bears. They're on the south side of the highway. Right down the road where the fresh green shoots are coming up right. I've always wondered. Why do they pick the grass on. They could eat all. The tourists are taking issue. Maybe the grass is a little more tasty. You always know when there's one of those man those people. If if you're one of those people i have no problem with us going up and taking pictures of bears. I've been one of those locals that has pulled over digging a picture tour video but do not be cross in the middle of traffic and not even look and i mean i'm trying to drive through there. I was taking that class in jackson two years ago so i was going back and forth twice a week and i can't tell you how many people are coming through. I've slowed down from sixty five to thirty. And without look and i mean there's people standing up through their son roofs just losing their mind. Swerving not in and out of traffic swerving all over the road trying to herd bear so they get the final perfect picture and stay one hundred yards away from those suckers and just if you honestly there's my advice if you see one of those bears pullover about two three hundred yards in front of the pack of people in front of whichever way the bears feeding sit there and the bears gonna walk right past ya in about five ten minutes. Yeah yogi doesn't like hugs either. So don't go over there and wrap your arms around yogi and try to get a selfie. I don't think that's gonna be the best player in the world time now so but those bears are hitting those roads because that snow melt and that son. That's where those grasses first greening up so the same thing you can do in the mountains is find those mostly southern facing exposed usually clear ravines and sometimes it depends on where you're hunting. Sometimes lets those bears can be you know pretty high up the mountains. Sometimes they can be pretty low. You know. I mean right off the river bottoms where that grass is greening up and snow can still be above it so you got to kind of play. That and then they'll those bears will start fan out further and further. And they're gonna they're definitely gonna key on in on any ungulates that have died over the winner right so i mean. Check the states again. But i if you're hunting and a dead elk a dead deer in you said over it. I don't think that's baiting. You didn't place that they're right now. Some game warden might be screaming on the under the end listening. But in my opinion it's it's haunting it's fair game and so but that's where the the cool part in that hunting is. We've talked about bathing. And i i enjoy it. It's it but it's one tactic. The tactic that i probably enjoy even more is just that spot in stock so finding those likely areas hike it into in. I like to hike into a place where i can get really advantage of. Maybe five or six or seven. Ravines drainage is some you know. I'll be on probably the north face looking across either big drainage or something and looking at a lot of slopes where you can and in a weather's really tough if it's cold and rainy and snowy and nasty was talking with joe bartlett actually this morning. He's been out this last week. Trying to film a bear hunt and they've got snow up there and rain and he said it felt more like a november mule deer hunt than it did a spring bear hunt and they didn't have a lot of success this week but you know the next couple of days. Weather's gonna change and especially those bears when they get that nasty weather they just go hide in the timber and so trying to sneak up on a bear in the timber can hear better. He can definitely smell better than you. So it's that's tough to be done but the spot and stalk for me is one of the favourite emma just because it's a lot of mornings a lot of glossing hiking different bridges and some days you can see multiple bears in a day and then and then it just becomes a game of. How can i get to him. Or within distance of him before he feeds out of the way. And i mean drawn a couple tags there and right off the snake in oregon. I can remember thunderstorm. I'm on the middle of the stock. Found a nice bear thunderstorm. Rolls over the and. You're down the canyon so far you can't tell when they're common right it just pops over the ridge above you and that burgos running. I mean you get taylor sideways. Rain at running for the timber halfway through stock. It's a can be a little frustrating but it's cool. I mean you definitely want to good optics. We've talked about that before the best optics money can afford. And i'm i'm a big fan of tripods. Put your put your ten power binoculars on a tripod and have your spotting scope sitting there. And i like to grid the whole country right and so i just kinda go zigzag back and forth up and down at the same time very slowly just pan pan pan pan and go from you know the the farthest upper left i can see to the lowest. You know lower right you can see in a grid pattern and then do that again. And then i'll stop switch from doing that to just start picking out what i'd call you know key features of will that blackspot wasn't there. That brown spot wasn't there and just keep watching ridges. Just you know. 'cause after you grid. And i do this every five. Ten minutes grit it then. I go through for a couple of minutes and just focus on spots where key bears could be and then after. I've done that for a little bit. Just put my binoculars down. Just look at the whole hillside. Take the whole thing in and then go back to gritting again. So pull that spot in scope out. Pick pick apart any little features that i can't quite discern what the binoculars and then go right back to britain again. And you'll do that all morning. Right co part is usually. There's some morale mushrooms poppin Midday naps are always crucial. Especially getting up a daylight. You know those bears are. They're still going to be predominantly active during mid morning and mid afternoon towards the evening. Now you can. That doesn't mean that at noon. You don't get a bear that gets hunger in gets up from wherever he's sleeping in the shade and walks out and it depends on temperature to if it's really hot and that you're talking black black bear. He's gonna he's gonna you know kinda be a little shy of the sun he gets you. Think about walking around with the heavy black coat on midday. You're you're not gonna do it much either. You're gonna cook so it but if it's relatively cool and color phase bears. I think they get his hot right as the jet black on so and i could be wrong but they are where they are and you find more he find him but those are some really good places to start the other fun thing to do that. Not a lot of people do is take a predator. Call with you right. They are or an omnivore. But they're also a carnivore. They eat me right. They and their predator and they will key into and a lot of people. Don't know this but Bears are very very effective at harvesting calf elk. Black bears especially grizzlies. I don't think they are as much i know. I mean they can be for sure. But i i know that in in the spring in oh a huge huge portion metality is due to at least for elk is do black bears. And there've been a couple of studies on grizzlies on moose. Calf populations nbc and up in alaska. And you know. An adult grizzly bear can eat like forty calves in a week. He just goes from one to the next the next. and so. That's why those ungulates try and drop all their calves at the same time or pretty close to it to tryin. Because for that first week. I mean they don't stand a chance of running away from a bear fast athletic so they're not gonna get away. But what are some things to think about. As far as you know your your setup as far as if you're going to rifle hunt for bow hunt. What are some things that you need to think about. Maybe some calibers. You might want to consider. You're going to go on a hunt like that. So i have a pretty decent rule of thumb. And it's just a rule of thumb. It's not bible or gospel or anything like that but you know i like to keep at least one foot pound of energy in my projectile for every pound. The animal is right. So if you're gonna be hunting a seven hundred fifty pound elk. Your bullet needs to be maintaining about seven hundred fifty foot. Pounds of kinetic energy. Now that's not to say that. I mean you can shoot up in you. You know farming. You could shoot a a big bowl with a twenty two at five yards and you're going drop a talking. A one ton bully beef cattle will will fall to a twenty two very quickly. But we're not talking about something in a pen at five yards. So you know looking at your ballistics of whatever firearm you choose and bears are comparatively to bison elk moose. They're relatively thinner bones thin skinned but they can absorb a lot of lead. I mean they are made a tough like a bear right there. There's they're pretty. There's a reason there's that saying. I mean you read like lewis and clark and some of the things. They talked about in countering grizzly bears and bears when they came out west. I mean they are tough but yet to your point he wants something actually going to do the job. But i mean as far as a blackberry. If you're not talk in those iowa bears that are nine hundred pound black breath. We're talking to an out west black bear in the three to four hundred pounds. You keep the distances reasonable to forty three and above his is plenty in all i would be. I'd be cautioned to say. Hey i'm gonna take my two three out there i would. I would want a little more behind it. I'm not saying that it can be done. I'm not saying that you can't or it's not legal. I'm just saying you know and again some states. you need. Check the rags. You're gonna say some states probably have minimum requirement that you got to look at and and we need. That's why my rule of thumb is actually pretty decent. Because i don't really care what stamped on the back of your caliber. Let's talk about what foot pounds of energy that bullets producing at that yardage. Are we talking. I'm gonna shoot a black bear on a barrel at one hundred and twenty yards with a to forty three with you. Know some nice nassir partitions that rifle that combination at that distance. You put it in you. Put it where it's supposed to be in. There's an no black bear on the planet that's going to absorb that and run away if you're accurate with it right but if we're talking in the wind shootin seven hundred fifty yards across the canyon. You better be looking at something. That's got quite a bit more bullets speed and and carry that you know muzzle energy so you know. I would say bare minimum for something like that. Not no pun intended is a you know something. And maybe the three hundred really honestly. You know you're you're twenty eight and ostler's your seven. Remington ultra mags. Your three hundred. And that's if you're talking. I wanna to bear it distance and again you need to be able to have been practiced with that just because the back of the box says this is the bullet. Drop if you haven't gone out. Put cardboard or steel target out. And you know put a couple of holes in the center of it at that distance you have no you have no rhyme or reason or right to be shooting that kind of distances so there's some cool technology out there i mean the birth eliminator scope and some of those others Six hours got one now. A couple other companies have where you range it either internally with the scope or with a range finder and through Wife hit it actually moves a lighted radical and gives you your holdover nice. Still gotta deal with wind. And that's in the mountains you know it might be blowing east west here on the other side of that river seven hundred yards away it could be blowing completely different direction. So you've got all that to take into account for sure so knowing your equipment knowing capabilities and having practiced If you're gonna do with a bow. Which i highly recommend that adds a whole nother level of you. Know when you're sneaking up on a feed and buried and you got get right in his living room it's it's it heightens all your senses to appoint you didn't think you could heighten your senses. It definitely i mean you can hear your heart beating out of your chest right you. Every movement every bird every squirrel. You know it's there and it's a little bit. It's definitely game a life or death. I mean we we call it a game. That's life or death for them but you know if it goes wrong it can go really wrong so you know. I would highly recommend the buddy system in any outdoor activity and we can discuss some without later but you know just especially on spring bear hunts letting people knowing where you are where you're going that can be you can get a nasty spring storm right and if you have a vehicle breakdown if you sprain an ankle whatever it might be people kind of need to know where to start looking for you and when you're supposed to have been coming back so those are things you know you're queant have some outdoor survival skills go with somebody that may if you're going into new country in having done. Some e scouting is awesome. That's one tool that you know. Twenty years ago we had maps. Patrick i can remember going down printing colored maps. I still have a bunch aerial photos. Right were way better than maths. Topo photo in the map. I can really figure something out right. And we had these things called compasses. I remember. I got my first. Gps and then gps with map on it and then in. Oh now. I've got you know base maps on x on your phone is i mean. We've all got our phone with us right. it's a. it's an expensive tool. I mean i can remember used to get get the chip with the state for like. I can't remember it was. He was cheap. You owned all the states. With the chip in your. Gps for buried in now. It's you know fifty bucks a year for the basic and one hundred bucks a year for the premium. But we'll tell you most those. Gps archaic to try and navigate. They can just be frustrating and on my phone. It's pretty easy to go to here. Go to their drop in here. Share a pin with somebody. So i know we touched on that safety. I know we touched on your equipment. I the bo is awesome. It's really it is a cool and you know you need to check state rags again but pretty much if you're pulling fifty pounds with good arrows and good broad heads and we could discuss broad heads for days but as long as you've got a heads it's sharp that holds together and again i mean if you put it you you shoot. Bears have big heavy bones. You shoot an arrow or a bullet into a bone. That's that's a problem. You need to study some anatomy and figure out where to hold on a bear. They're a little different than a deer and elk but We'll get onto when you find the harvest a bear you know. That's that's the fun part. I mean bear stew. it's a it's a different meet. it's a different texture. The flavor is amazing If you can get on a blueberry bear somewhere in the fall those bears are i mean the ones in alaska are. The fat is purple patrick and white. And it's like it's been marinated in a blueberry sauce so definitely cook your hair very well done chicken houses. Yes chickens is It's a well some of our listeners. Probably haven't heard. But stephen rinella in alaska film the hunt where they were successful and he said it's good enough and they all ate it and they all got it. So it's not fun having stuff moving around in your guts and tearing up your inside so you want to cook it really well and speaking of cooking i have to bring up high mountain seasonings. I mean i'd be remiss if i didn't bring them up. Let's say you go kill spring. Bear they've got everything that you need to process that animals far as spices and everything. Cook it so. If you're gonna make something like that you could use high mountain seasonings. Oh certainly i mean you. It's it's a dark red meat. It's got great flavor and some somebody said it seems a little inefficient to To get protein that way as far as you know eating carnivores and i could see their point but at the same point in time you know. Usually i'm a second hand vegetarian but i'm okay being a third hand vegetarian. Well they are an omnivore so they are grazing. they're kind of like a cow by fall. Fanned up and everything that that is the one cool thing about. I mean you're you're talking a big bear in the in the five hundred five fifty in upwards pounds. he's gonna come out of winter somewhere in the three hundreds. I mean so. And by the fall they get our every other biting insect like any other critter and they'll start itching and you can hear what's really cool if you walk around the woods and you pay attention. You can find a tree where the bark is all scraped off one side. It kind of looks like an elk rub. But if you look on the other side you'll see claw marks and the bears kinda reach up just like you and i do sometimes home reach up. Grab the wall minus. Scratch your back against the wall. Bears will do that and leave claw marks but they'll leave you know really long humanlike hair. Whatever color elk have that coarser on hewlett hair embarrassed kind of have that furry fuzzy human ihsc kind of hair right. it's more it's finer little more pliable. So it's a you drop a bear and you're gonna use high mountain seasonings to cook it. What he what do you think you're going to use that they sell. I'm gonna cook back straps over the barbecue like you would dear elk. And then i'm gonna take those hindquarters in front shoulders and roast them just like you would any other venison roast. I mean it's really not any different. You just want to double check your temperature and make sure you've got up to temperature on bear meat but yeah no no red. No medium rare. You could get all the way through Stu is really. I do is one of my favorites and there are some great kids how to high mountain jerky dot com. So if you want to try that do that i. I'll be very honest with everybody. I'm not. I haven't had bear so except for once in alaska we went up there and we got the trial these different things but i was a little kid. I don't really remember But i have friends who are huge fans of bear so it can be pretty darn good you get over the thought of it and put it on a plate next to some walleye and some cow and some coup in melk. And you're not gonna go all out one's disgusting well. This one's different than this and what is right. Same thing with mountain lion mountain lions actually really really good so there are predators there you just you know waller eat their predator absolutely so Yeah that's you know kind of the three d. Just to sum it up y- three tactics is the baiting the spot in stock blessing and the predator calling in the predator. Calling kind of you're going to do some of the same stuff you do. When you're spot and stocking right you're going to get out to where bears supposedly supposed to be set up. Get the wind in your face. Try and maybe get a vantage point where you can see the bear before it sees you and start screaming on that predator call and sometimes and we've done it when we're just bring bear hunting spot in stock and you can be screaming on that call and that barrel. He might head up. Look at you. Just go back degrees. And he might run in the timber away or he might turn and run right at you and you never know the typically. The big bears are going to run at you. Small bears you're gonna run away from you 'cause big ones. Now they're powerful and they can get the job done if they run over there and they want to take something and that's you know just like duck hunting just like any other turkeys predator calling. Bears is it's it's a whole level you now communicated the sound and you've you've controlled that bears in a movements outcome and his decisions and that's when you've involved that level of deception that's you can get into my psyche a little bit but you know duck hunting. I've done some jump shooting on canals and it's fun and it's successful but there's something about getting ducks to cup their wings commitment. Say okay. i'm gonna come hang out with these decoys in front of you the your you go. I tricked you right. And there's there's just a level of because it's not easy. I mean you can't just say oh i'll just throw a couple hundred and fifty years ago. Yeah you could some wooden decoys and trump about anywhere now. Those ducks are pretty keen on. Hey we shot when we wouldn't we screw up right smart and turkeys have said this before you can kill the biggest turkey you you'll ever killing the first five minutes of your first turkey hut and you can go days on end and get skunked have gablers come in and go and i'm not dealing with that so spring bear. Hunting is another. It's kind of like easter egg hunting for adults. It's a little bit of work put into it. And all you're definitely there's no guaranteed success by any means even bathing in. We've had years where nobody gets. Bear on the barrel. It's so in. Oh it's it's just cool to be able to be in the presence of one of those large carnivores in that large predator and and especially if they don't know you're there and just get to watch how they interact with their environment. That's for me. That's the cool. Part about baiting is i can be sitting here talking to you and still get to see those trail cam pictures and have killed. Couple bears now. And there's this progression that i've noticed with other bear hunters and we've talked about this before on the podcast is i. It's just. I just want to kill a bear. Any bear doesn't matter just want to get a bear right and then it's like well now you get a bear it. I want to get another one. I want to get a big one. And then it kind of bureaus to k only want to harvest the uber monster or this certain keller face and even even that gets old and i see bear hunters. Turn into bear photographers. They just but once it gets in your blood. It's you just want to go out and see bears and it's a main. There's definitely something cool about him. I wanna harvest that bear. I pack a couple of game bags. Right and typically. I don't bone the quarters out. Like you would have an elk if you're back in because you're you're not dealing with the dealing with the seven hundred pound critter and so you're dealing with about a third me you can bonus for sure. That's not a problem. But depending on the size of the bear are wyoming. Bears are a little bit smaller than like a coastal black bear. Ohio bear and so quarter. It up like you would and i like to rug him when i skin them. Save that at pelt. And if you're not going to utilize it and save it somebody. Will that definitely use it for something. Give it to somebody us. But don't leave it. So i mean claws come out height comes out. Skull comes out all the meat comes out so you're l- even a pile of pretty much in inedible stuff there and so it takes a little bit of know how to separate and processed ad and it's it's it's slightly different than an ungulate but it's sim- or i mean i would definitely watch video of how to rug something instead of because you don't want to mess at rug up and you know when you're messing around with trying to end. The face is tough and the front arms are little tough and definitely around the pauses is something you need to figure out i. I would highly recommend an outdoor edge knife or another sharp knife and you know have have way to sharpen it. Because you know you're gonna be grinding your knife along the bone quite a bit trying to get that done but i have a couple of bear rugs. And they're they're cool. That's you know. Definitely something something i would recommend. And if you don't harvest a bear just getting to go out and see one through the spotting scope. that's for me. That's a win right there. Yeah after long. Wyoming or montana. Idaho winter people are ready to get out and just be out anyway. So it's it's worth just of the house and doing something different. I've had more failed stocks unsuccessful on spring bear. But i've seen bear. And i get to go out and watch him and hang out camp and get outside so definitely in all i would. I would encourage everybody. If you've never got a chance to go to bear camp and go on a bear hunt i would. I would definitely put it on on your to do list. Because it's you know there's there's a huge difference of driving up into yellowstone and seeing one on the side of the road where fifty people to me. it loses. its majesty. it's like it's tainted. It's that's that's boo right. When i'm two three miles four miles back in somewhere and i'm glad in watching bear where there's no other human around i feel it. That's my memory. I don't have to share it with anybody. 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RADCast Outdoors Episode #39: The RadCast Outdoors Kids Talk about Hunting and Fishing With Their Dads

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #39: The RadCast Outdoors Kids Talk about Hunting and Fishing With Their Dads

"On this episode of rag cast outdoors. We sit down with the kiddos. David and i bring our kids on the show talk hunting and fishing and get some insight from them on some of their most memorable trips with their dads. So we hope you'll stick around and enjoy this. Episode of rag cast outdoors. Sean rad cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red. Cast outdoor here. David merrill and patrick headley's hey everybody david merrill here again. We're back with another episode of rad cast outdoors. I'm super excited about this one. I'm glad you guys are here. Thanks for joining. In sharon subscribing giving us a review we appreciate it. We really want to keep this going. And i know patrick speak for him. We eat breathe sleep broadcast outdoors. And wanna see this thing grow so while i've got you here for just a second. You know go checkout. pk our new sponsor. I'm really excited to have them on. Board the great product been out fishing using it. You know we've got a new promo code with them. It's grad so when you check out if you buy a spoon kit. Yep go ahead. Yeah so you gotta get the spoon kit but you get free wyoming blades with that order so definitely go out and do that and support them. They're great company. Groman company right. Well they they were started in wyoming. And now they're north dakota based but definitely. Us company we want to support them as much as we can. You know they're employing people here in the us doing a great job making a great product. So make sure and get out there and see what was that. Promo code rad rather ad soon kit and get some wyoming blades with it and those wyoming blades. Due out a lot of attraction to your digging spoons when you're using them they help with flash and with sound so definitely something. You should be adding to to your digging spoons so definitely get out there. Pk alert dot com and do that. Well this week on rad cast outdoors. We're gonna be talking family. Kids fishing hunting. So come along and join and we're going to. We got some cool guests so yeah so our first guest. I know pretty well. What's your name. Faith so faith is my youngest daughter. She's really anri. Just so you all know and she gave me that on relook right now but i'll tell you she is my fisher girl. She loves to go fishing with dad. And he's also a master angler extraordinary david. She's been catching master anglers. This year. she's done a lot. She's done really well and she's one of those kids that will sit out there and deal with wind and cold and not complain and continue to fish so so faith. Got a question for you. What's your favorite thing about fishing. Fish catch do you have a favorite fish to catch why. That's a good choice. What's your favorite one to eat. You're thinking hard because you like a lot of different fish. What do you think your favorite is though all time fried while he fried wally well. That's a good choice that that makes it easy right. You go catch them. Then you like to eat them face. Do you know why. I go fishing in alaska just for the halibut likes to catch alabama. So i want to ask you of all your master. Anglers that you cut this year. What was your favorite twenty eight inch by eight inch walleye. I gotta tell you this story. Because i was kind of in disbelief but i had good intel on a good walleye bite from shore so it took little faith and the rest of her siblings and we went fishing for these walleye and it wasn't like the second cast and faith says dad. I got a fish on. And i was like okay. You know and i look at her on mike. Yeah you sure do. And she's like it's a big one. And i was like i don't know if it's a big one and it was a big fish wasn't it. How big was that again. Twenty inches twenty eight inch walleye for a little kid and you probably weighed like what twenty pounds soaking wet. I'm just kidding. You're not that little but still it was in a very impressive fish. And there's a lot of grown adults have never caught. Twenty eight inch walleye. Your dad took me to that spot about a week or two later and we didn't catch a fish so it goes fisher in out. Go in there and they get out of there. That's just the way it is. So what else did you catch this year. That was fun and exciting that you can think of master angler burbot and for rainbow trout. That were big ones strangler. Also tell me about the rainbow. Trout would we. I went fishing with my dad's friend. Mr eric and i thought for mass wrangler trail and one little on yup and we'd gone multiple times. What about the time before. That was katie. While we went. What did you catch. I caught in a small trial and katie Caught a lot of trial and one tiny. While i you guys kind of reverse roles it was funny. We'd hook up to fish in katie would be real an trout and we'd hook up again and it'd be face stern she'd real in a wall and it was like Apparently the faith is the walleye kid. I don't know really get it. Catching those walleye chat so faith. What's your favorite thing about going fishing with. Dad she so she says that and kind of it kind of makes sense because a lot of the other kids. They'll fish for a little bit. And then they quit and they run off and guess who catches all the fish faith which is a good question that your patient and you sit and you hang out and you do it right so you really good job. What's something that you wanna catch that. You haven't caught yet. Northern pike northern pike. Why do you want to catch a northern as you never tasted one before so you to eat it. Will they have some big teeth. Thera- predator fish so they eat all the other fish in the lake. Do you remember seeing that big. Northern danny kaye. Cool fish isn't it. Yeah yeah well. Hopefully i can get you out and get you a northern pike. This year we'll have to. We're not going to be will do it in fremont county but we'll go find one somewhere. How's that sound all right. Well faith thank you for coming on. Rag cast outdoors to have you. Thanks for being here faith. I'm pretty excited to have. We got a pretty cool guest in the studio today and This this guest has been a on quite a few adventures with me willingly. Or unwillingly go ahead. And who who are you. Hunter maryland and are you my son. He's like. I don't know if i should answer that. So have you got to go on a couple adventures with that about fishing fish. Into what would you say is one of your favorite adventure you've got to go on accounting elk hunting Do you remember the first elk hunting trip. You went on now. Well there's a five point shed in your room that you hang your hats on every day and we found that out elk hunting. You're about three three and a half. You fell asleep on the horse you would ride in my lap and we wrote up at a couple of pretty good day. You've got to go quite a bit since you've Where were you born alaska. So does cold weather bug you. You're tough aren't you. Get you got the one word answers down. don't you. So what about your last alcon was Intriguing well i got spiked by cactus on the way down at that hurt. Didn't it where you're running and sliding in your pants. Yes because it was fun really fun. Did we have to be pretty quiet and stock up there and sneak up there at the end. I got got to play at the end. So how many is there. About fifty to seventy five we got about. We're about two hundred yards away hundred and fifty yards away when you got to ride your horse up back. So we hunting calico bullock and cow. So we went up on a late season cow elk. There was some bowls in the heard but we are cow elk hunting and we took your horse and one other horse to pack. Elk out So what would you tell other kids that might get to go on some adventure out something that they might need to think about or do well try to watch out for cactuses and catch up day. Stay caught up Were you running around playing and getting a little tired of hiking so we had to go about a mile and a half from the truck. We spotted those elk from the truck. Right unloaded the horses and we're in about six eight inches of snow and dad lead your horse up the hill and you got to ride. That seemed a little unfair to me. I had to hike is pretty fun. But afterwards we got a cow elk and loaded on the horses and then you got to ride on top of the elk on the way out right as pretty easy ride but you had to hike in the middle. So did you have enough warm clothes. Is that something that would probably be important as taken enough close. So what's your favorite part about going hunting with your dad. Probably shooting elk and eating candy. Well they got their out. His little legs are a little tired of hiking because we tied the horses up the last bit of the stock and it was five hundred yards but there was enough snow and he was not following. Dad's footsteps just going wherever he wanted. And i could remember while we were breaking. Elk down at laid my pack on top snow and i looked over. And he's got his jacket wide open sons on him but he's completely asleep on in my backpack over there had a little bit of candy to eat and head of sugar crash there and took a nap right on my backpack dinya so you like to fish into ice fishing. The best ice fishing is the best. I think patrick would agree with you. We need to get out and do that a little more. This winter we do. So what would you tell other kids. That are getting ready to go on an ice fishing trip things. They should bring a nice tent. You like the ice hut right and heater. Do you like the down hole camera. Is that the best. Part is watching them on the camera. Yeah so you can catch some fish. I seem to remember a trip where you got to do that. With some of my kids i was kind of fun Think we ought mister jims dumbo. There us as a that was a fun trip. We did take them and the kids and go ice fishing. Couple of 'em were building. Snow forts playing more than fishing. It made for good picture. That was pretty cool. But that i mean that speaks to checking the expectations at the door. And you know load the kids up the family up. Get the gear and yes you know it would be much easier if just you and i had gone and probably a little more productive but not nearly as memorable so do you need snacks when you go ice fishing win any special kind of snacks that just some chips and water new. You'll be fine all right. Well mr hunter merrill. I'm glad you could come in the studio and give us some advice about what and where. And when and why we look forward to hearing some more about your adventures out hunting and fishing. Do you think you'll come back on the show for us all right good. Thanks for being here today. Hunter all right and now we're joined by my second oldest katie. hi katie. how are you. Welcome to the podcast. Katie so you like to go fishing. What's your favorite thing to go fishing for with. Dad get big fish. what kind like rainbow trout. Yeah so faith was dullness. That on the trip with mr rick. You're catching all the big rainbows. And she was catching all the walleyes that what happen so tell us a little bit about. What did you guys do well. We started early in the morning in the afternoon. And we also used crank baits and we set up a lot of fishing poles on the sides and then some went off and we took turns cuts would down in the face. Turn in the other one went down. There was my turn. Yeah we're trolling. So we had to planer boards on the outside and we had two lines rape back behind boat. Right and you guys slade. The fish he goes may dad worked really hard had to clean a bunch of fish in the. Yeah and did you catch any master anglers. Would you catch this year for master. Anglers i in remote out. Yeah i'll vega's year anybody remember too big on is a big fat one on that trip. How big was your walleye twenty four. Yeah katie you know. I like to go fishing almost as much as i like to go hunting and i'll have to show you some pictures. I've got some pictures of some halibut. That are a little bigger than rainbow trout. And some salmon. My favorite fish of all the catch is rainbow. Trout smelt. Yeah so that gets to that question. Would you like to eat as far as fish. What's your favorite. What's your favorite fish. Yeah what's your favorite fish Smoked trout and right. Well good choices. I would say those are pretty decent. So what's what's the rule about fishing with dad. I didn't. I didn't talk faith about this. But what's the rule when you're fishing with that down. Tell people about it. Fishing with that is we. Don't know where we went fishing with that. What what's the joke with that. What was the line from the famous movie. That i told you i like clothes that we don't so it's the first rule of fishing doubt as we don't talk about where we fished with dad's the second rule of fishing with is. We don't talk about where we were fishing with that. Why do you think that's important. Katie few tell people about it. They'll go fishing there and catch all the fish. Yeah you give away your spot. You may not get your spot back. That's always a rough deal. I tell my kids that. So if you're judging me that's fine. Judge away that patrick that rule transcends fishing hunting very bored you take somebody new to your spot. You'd better know him pretty well and they better have a good zipper for their mouth. So what would you say is the best part of fishing period. Like what what is the most enjoyable experience when you go out catching catchy. Why is it what what makes a difference cares. It feels like it's all worth all that waiting okay. So you don't like the waiting but you like the catching that's how my mom is o- jones got mom now. I'll let you in on a little secret. I'll go fishing. And i'll even go fishing with your dad but we gotta do catching. I like catching a lot better than just fishing need to. I think all of us are that way. We like to catch stuff. I'm surprised you haven't talked about perch fishing. Because i know you enjoy abbas like to go like we drop it down in i get it up in a set it down and put it back in reala. That was like that once in then there was the purchase on one side the boat and then on the people on the other side were not catching anything on the other side. They were it's crazy. How perch can be schooled up on one side and on the other will pull up on a spot. Kids will drop down. Pull up fish every time. If you're fishing on the other side you don't get anything. Well i believe that for some species but my mind goes to sockeye salmon in the keanae river specifically people think you've got to have this specific spot on the bank now if there's some structure or something in the water right there. There's definitely better bends in the river. That are better. But if the fisher and the river from keanae to ski lack you could you could catch one thirty forty river miles of the fisher there. You can catch and doesn't really matter. The lure doesn't really matter but it's technique is important. You know the right equipment is important but having the having a little bit of knowledge and skill helps one time we were fishing down and then the river. I gave my pull the face. 'cause i wanna to take a little break because i had been fishing and then as soon as i handed to her it gotta fish. So you've been waiting and you're like here you could. You could wait with my poll. You're going to go play weren't ya. Yeah for a little. And then phase caught fisher after ended. It goes kid. That's where faith builds up or not faith that's where fishing builds up patients and patients get thing to have so but i'm really glad you go fishing with me and and hopefully will be doing a lot more of it this year and you can catch some more master anglers all right. Well thank you. Katie arao right now. It's time for my oldest daughter leah. A- are you. Welcome to the podcast today. We're talking about fishing with dad can't so you're going to tell stories about me Maybe you would have the most out of everybody. 'cause you've gone the most with me haven't you yeah leah's eleven now and we've been out fishing together since she was to First time i took her was ice fishing on north korea's vora outside cheyenne and she looked nice rainbow trout and dropped her little mickey mouse rod. And guess where it went down. The hall did didn't do you remember that. My mittens were too slippery. And it went downhill. I almost snagged it dove across the ice. And i missed it by about an inch. Such a bummer. But it happens. It happens leah. What's your favorite fish to go fishing. Four i like fishing for perch. 'cause you just catch him over and over and over again but then i also like fishing for walleye 'cause they're so big and it's fundraising that's true so we did a lot of trolling on flaming gorge. When i was a young kid and we set up a little bit like your dad. Doesn't his both. My grandparents had a boat. And grandpa had a trolling motor. That you know you had to hold your hand on and he would sit up on the back of the boat. And he tucked his rod between the boat and his thigh right. And we just kind of sit on his rod that he was trolling and we had. We sometimes had six rods out of the back of that but with all the grandkids troll. And we're using pop gear on flaming gorge catching ramose. Well he did something to lean over and grab a sandwich or something and his rod fell in the water so he turned and he could see it right so he decided to go after it well. He added glasses and his keys wallet. And then we've got you know sub greg kids and aunts and grandma there. Nobody really knows how to drive the boat but grandpa. We got it figured out but we had to real all the gear in so fishing can be exciting. Yeah that would be you. Did some master angler work this summer as well You cut a number of different species so tell everybody what mastering lers. You caught this year fishing with that. I a rainbow trout. Trolling on a boat with you. In one of our friends from church. And then i caught a crappy that same trip and the crappy thirteen inches and the trout about twenty three inches. And then i caught twenty six inch walleye and mastering. So you got three faith right tide. Of course faith thousand burbot twenty eight inch burbot but you guys are tied on master english. Aren't you yeah. Who do you think's gonna win between you and faith this year faith. Why says she's more patient. She is patient. She'll sit there and fish won't be so quick story about leo when she was well. I guess it was right when we moved up here. She was about six years old. I took her down To one of my spots which we shall not name and We are fishing together. And i got this really cool picture. It was neat on a point. And someone's coming up and just really cool to have her silhouette there you know with the sunrise. And she caught on her own her first to wall lie. Remember that you cut that humongous bass the twenty twenty and a half inch bass with a twenty plus inch girth fun. That wasn't yeah. So leah's my little fishing buddy. She's she's been fishing with me since i was you know. Well since she was basically two years old and she's got a lot of different things so what is something that you want to catch that. You haven't caught yet I wanna catch northern pike or tiger muskie. Because they're really big in america those and also on catch a burbot because they look like a snake. Do like a snake on david do what. What's your favorite fish to eat. I like wall i. I like fried while i. It's really good. What's your second favorite. Burbot dipped in melted butter. I think that's My favorite environment is really good super tasty so there is a recipe that i'll have to put on our website that basically if you get a two liter of seven put it into a pan bring it to a boil. Throw your bourbon cook. It does done in there and then take it out it. it's really good so is salted. water doesn't matter either one. If you boil it neither one of those things just really good We had that the other day didn't we. We did quite a bit. Yup what are some rules about fishing with dad You don't tell other people. Were you fished if you catch a really big one. what else i'm just. I'm just asking a questions to see. You know the main one is. We don't tell people where we've caught fish if we catch really big ones so if you're one of my friends out there and you're gonna ask me a bunch of questions about where we're catching fisher. Ask my kids. They have been coached just to be for one. What else do you have to say about fishing anything. I really like it. My favorite kind of fishing is on the boat like trolling better or fishing. Like we do the jagan for perch. What's trolling better. Why because we can just see on. We don't have to actually hold the rod. You can just see when they buy that because you're Fishing for perch. You like have to wait and feel for them in. That takes a little bit more patience. I will say though you did catch your crappy on your own casting so that was pretty cool and that was a big copy. You got two nice copy. That day i think. Did i think the most important part about trolling. Especially when you're fishing in the summer on the lake. Snacks got lots of good snacks story about that. So tell him what happened. When you're eating jerky when we were rolling every time i would grab a piece of jerky to take a by a fish would bite so flake you had to put you jerky down and you couldn't finish it video so we'll put it out there. It was pretty funny. She'd be like. I just put jerky in my mouth or she'd just be a piece of jerky and i'd be like. Oh you got one on the road. But she got a lot of fun fishing with mr richton. Yeah yeah he's a lotta fun so rick. If you're out there listening made my kids very happy. Taking him out on the boats fun so anything else you wanna share with us. No no all right. Well thanks for coming on the show. And last. But not least i have mr benjamin my my youngest my little boy here on the podcast. Benjamin how are you excited to be on a podcast. You a little nervous. Yeah it's okay just having a conversation. We're all a little nervous but we're just chatting. Yeah so it's all good What we're talking about is fishing and you go fishing with dad don't you. What was your favorite fishing trip with. Dad turned to decide at a lot. A lot of Well my favorite with you is catching crawfish. Xi mu yeah. Why don't you tell everybody about it. What do we do. We had three Crawfish traps in way at a fishing pole. So we get me. Yep so we did some light you know. Put some bad on the end of the fishing pole and dropped it behind the rocks. I think that was your favorite part. Wasn't it yeah. You're having fun pulling those big oak crawfish out from under the rocks aren't ya. I would say anybody that has a little boy. 'cause trust me. My little boy is different than my girls. You have a little boy. That is like the best thing to have them do is catch crawfish. Because it's something that will keep them entertained and the crawfish will oblige and actually come up and grab whatever you're dropping down. So do you remember what we use for bait. Yeah would we use is Other parts of fish is sucker me remember so we had a chunk of sucker meet tied to what fishing pole we dropped the imposed on the lauder in two rocks. Drop the line in mind. Their axiom tug. It was crawfish. And you did a good job we call it a lot of big ones. Didn't we then what we do with them cooler and got him home yet. What we do with them at home though nato he kicked them and then we skin. They haven't exo skeleton. One of my favorite freshwater. Critters to eat by far really aren't they. Yeah you just got to catch. You know to doesn't do. It doesn't do it. You need about two hundred and then then we can have a meal. We'll have to do that this summer. That'd be fun fishing from the boat or fishing from shore. What's your favorite Sure sure i like both you just like to go. Don't you like it when the water's solid like right now ice fishing. I like ice fishing in going fishing. Just regular fishing. You like fishing bass lake. I like you said that you know normal. Fishing is win. The waters liquid not solid. Just for everybody out there. Sorry you're big ice fisherman. I like to have be in my t shirt. When i'm catching fish me to ice fishing's fun and it has its place but open waters a lot of fun buddy. Yeah what's your favorite and well. What's your biggest fish you ever caught. It's an me sisters weren't fishing and i. I caught a only interested dead at twenty four and a half inch wall wasn't there was a master. Angler your first one ever. Were you excited yeah. I thought that was pretty cool. Well i hope you'll go fishing with me a lot this summer when it warms up here we did. Some ice fishing. Didn't me and that was fun. But i agree with you. I like regular water like the liquid form. It's a lot more fun. What's your favorite fish to eat. Probably likely intro. While i in trout. This kid also likes pickled sucker. I think it's okay like it's not my favorite but then likes it don't you you like fish though. Well we'll definitely make more of that this year too because it's fun. It's good to take you out fishing buddy. Yeah all right. Well i think that about wraps it up. Thanks for coming on the podcast ben. Thanks buddy. we'll catch you again later. Okay all right. Thanks bud all right. It is time for the high mountain recipe of the week brought to you proudly by high mountain seasonings of riverton wyoming company. I mountain seasonings has been around for thirty years and is doing a great job of making sure that all the hunters and people who are processing their own meat have everything they need to do. The job right high mountain seasonings offers a lot of different options for you. They offer fish. Brines jerky kits sausage making kits and much much more. You can find all of their great products at high mountain jerky dot com or h. I m t n dot com again each. I n t n jerky dot com. So now here's our recipe of the week. You just heard. The kids talked about some of their favorite things that they like to eat. We're going to focus in on the burbot. So burbot is something very simple to cook. It is really delicious. If you've never eaten burbot you're missing out. That's for sure. So one of the ways that we'd like to process and have our burbot is to get like a two liter of seven up or sprite. You pour it into a pot you bring it to a boil you take your chunks of burbot and you dump them into the water and you cook them for about three to five minutes on the rolling boil just to make sure that they're all the way cooked then you can take him out and you can dip them in butter and we also like to take the high mountain. Gourmet fish seasoning and sprinkled just a little bit on their to give it a little bit extra flavor. They don't call it poor man's lobster for nothing. It's absolutely delicious. So if you haven't tried bourbon get out there. Go fishing forum. Try them out. And i will tell you. Pk lures makes one of the best lures to catch those things. The red dot glow pk. Spoon is absolutely dynamite to catch burp. I hope you guys will go out there and try it out again. Go to high mountain seasonings. Website h. i. m. t. n. jerky dot com to pick up. Your gourmet fish seasoning today.

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #60: The Versatile Jigging Spoon, How to Use Jigging Spoons with Patrick Edwards

RADCast Outdoors

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #60: The Versatile Jigging Spoon, How to Use Jigging Spoons with Patrick Edwards

"This episode of rag cast outdoors brought to you by pk. Lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards alot. Hello hello hello everyone out there. We are coming to you from the bow spider studio and post butters headquarters. Here in wonderful wyoming. It's a great evening. It's been a wonderful summer day. I'm glad to be back on the air so we have today a pretty guest. you all know high patron. Yeah you might know me a little bit but yeah thanks for having me on david. We actually have a little. Qna session today. We've pulled a poll question off the inner webs from the red cast nation. So if you're listening to this podcast and don't know what rad cast nation is. It is a private facebook group. We get on there and share tips and tricks and event. So you know when when you get done with this podcast if you feel inclined come on over and ask for Ask for inviting. Patrick and i were adleman. Keep it clean. Keep it nice and keep it friendly. Yeah it's kind of fun group because you can talk about anything hunting fishing and everything in between and all kinds of different things that float around and so we happen to have one that. I know a little bit about today. So we're going to focus on a little bit. Yeah so You know would just get into it but as far as Before we get into it. How's how's the wing. The wing is doing a lot better can you. Can you real yeah. I went out and hammered some fish a couple of times here recently The most recent was top water large mouth bass. That was fun. Got the whopper. Proper larry various screech out there and hammered a few bass that felt really good to do. And there's nothing better than watching a fish come up and smack top water. I don't care who you earn. It's pretty fun to watch. I was sitting over a water tank in the desert last week. In a bull out came in you know it is pretty neat right at morning to watch the sun hitting the tips of his antlers and my heart got going pretty good i. I would concur that you know when you're when you're pulling a dry fly across the top of the lake man and a trout explodes. I can concur that that gets you going pretty good. But and there's something about thousand pound critter staring you at fourteen yards away and doesn't know you're there it's pretty it's either i it just depends on the day so getting back on the fission and we'll go right to it. This came from our cast. Daesh outdoor nation podcast facebook group. The question comes from a mr j irvine. He's a he's a member a listener and a local guy here and he asked specifically how can a person fish. Pk spoons sue else. Better to to tell us about pk spoons. That'll patrick it. Or it's the. I think it's it's kind of a fun thing to talk about it. I have a long history with. Pk spoons and It's it's just one of those really good questions as soon as it was asked. I was like wow. That's right up my alley. Because i've caught so many fish doing it in so many different species. I got excited. And i told him we'll do it so we are today. We're going to cover everything. Pk spoons right. And everything digging spoons and kind of we're not really gonna go species specific on type of fish but just more how to fish in those spoons. I think what would we call it. Liquid water and hard water. Yeah there's a few different ways to go so we'll get into that. But pk lures is you have that long history. So give us some back history on. Pk yeah so pk's been around a long time pat o'grady if you aren't familiar go back episode for. I believe it is. We had pat o'grady on the he talked about the history of pk lures. But i came on really when it started to take off in two thousand nine and what he needed was to get the website going. Get the business going And i had some skills and expertise in that area. So i was helping with that. That sounds familiar. Patrick might be so by. Yes so i helped him with abbott. Probably one of the cooler parts of my job was being able to take prototypes and test and go out and fish with pat. Patton amazing fishermen and anybody. That's ever fish with him will concur that that guy can put fish on the line. Bring him in. Just about as good as anybody in the industry. So i i spent a lot of time watching pat and how he fished and then of course i went out and did my own experimentation. I guess you could say with with the different lures in different presentations. And i like the question. Because i i was trying to think of how you you know. Could ineffectively fish spoons. And i mean because digging spoons spoons in general can be used about one hundred different ways and so we'll talk about the main ones but really it's one of the most effective lures ever made the pk. Spoon in particular and the flutter fish in fishermen. If years ago didn't article and they were talking about the top jogging spoons of all time. And the pk flutter fish and the pk. Spoon made the top ten. So you can't really go wrong with that. When in fisherman is talking about how great top lures of all time and you got to see that company you know you helped build their basically their first website got to go out and basically are andean tests some of these very first products. And now you you kinda get to see. I mean kind of full life cycle company from from birth to to transition sale right and still see it continue to grow. that's got to be kind of a notch. You know on your belt or a feather in your cap right. it's just fun. I i enjoy being a positive. You know anything that grows and becomes successful. I mean it's it's just about seeing the practice. Well it's kind of like with both spider with the pk flutter fisher either way it's one of those things once you use it or you see the application of it then you know right away. This is a winner. And i mean i brought both spider d you would. It was well. Didn't have a website. You knew about it before pretty much anybody you were prototype and and you know pat. He's he's still every once in a while and say. Hey try this out you know and take it out the boys and see how it does you know. Try it for this species species. And i think that's part of the fun for me about is how does he Receive it when you when you give a report late. Hey yeah pat. That one just didn't do well or or the other way when you're like. Hey man can i get. Can i get some of these from my tackle bodies so even killed about it like it doesn't really faze him you know i'll say he hadn't like this about it or i like this about it and he's like okay cool. Yeah no and he's always tweaking that guy he's he's always taken something and and working with it to try to make it the best possible thing it could be so he's really get it. Taking the feedback definitely has an entrepreneur that had data that feedback. That information is neither good or bad. It's information it's what you do with it right but the more you know 'cause i've definitely have some product. Testers will call him right that in order their their opinion. I really do rely on that. You know they give me the cisco neighbor two thumbs up. We're we're going forward to market and we're gonna spend money but if they don't i want to know why and then we can go back and and do some adjustment so well. Let's get into it. What is digging spoon. So it's kind of funny you know. Jogging spoons aren't anything special. They can be a look at some of the older digging. Spins that came out in the market they were basically rectangular piece of lead with a little bit of paint on it and hook. I mean they're nothing really special and if you look at you know salt water applications nowadays Pk has a product for that. It's called the panic and what it is basically just a long piece of metal and it's got a hook on it you know and you drop it down and a fish looks at it and it looks like something that's effectively. Look at bait fish there. Swimming horizontally right sometimes most of the time in a big ball right but when a predator comes in and and whether that's a or a fish or whatever and hits that bait ball stunned some of those fish in some of those fish that don't get eaten start. Swimming vary radically in weird directions orientations and usually by themselves. And you know that's when you get some of those outlined predatory fish to to come in and get interested in haywood. What happened here and freshwater you'll have emerald shiners that die off when the oxygen levels change and so they'll kind of lay over on their side and kind of flutter up in the water column and then fall back down. that's that's a good indicator for predatory fish that there's an easy meal and basically all digging spoon is is. It's kind of replicating now in one form or another and awesome. I didn't know that. Yeah and i say that because there's a lot of different ways. This can manifest itself so a digging spoon can be used a ton of different ways. You can dig it for sure but you control it. I mean you can cast it and retrieve you dead. Stick it this let it hang there. I've caught a fish ice fishing doing that all the time you know you can have like. Pk spoon down in the whole dead sticking it something crews buying grab it So and they come in all kinds of different shapes and sizes so so it's kinda hard to list exactly what styles spoons are on the market. I can give you some of the best ones like you have. A flattened light spoon. So like A needle fish. I don't know if you've ever seen those you have oval style ones. You have peanut style ones. You have ones that are heavy on one side and not on the other so that they have some crazy side to side action which the pk spoon is one of those. You have some. That are slightly curved. Extreme curved all kinds of different variations. Some of them have rattled. Chambers nowadays some have crackers that banging against the side. I mean so most of it is just a change. The presentation to more mimic is in the water column to eat. There's that and there's also the mood of the fish and so the mood of the fish is a critical piece. If you have fish that are super lethargic you can use a fast action spin like. Pk spoon and they may not even look at it. Whereas if you're using a flutter fish that falls really slowly they may just hammer the snot out of it so something. Maybe a little less erotic yup versus if the fish are active. They want that a radic motion. Yeah so you you really have to figure out what the fish is looking for in kind of what the bait is doing as well because the bates lethargic and you're out there being us in radic bait you may not get if the fish and the badir lethargic you know in your mimicking. A non lethargic bait. They don't have the energy and they're like yeah. It's too fast now. There is a caveat to that because if if the fisher kind of full say the wall layer in there feeding on emerald shiners in. They're kind of full. You can have a slow presentation. They won't even go for it because they've already got food stuffed into their gullit. Think about thanksgiving after after your third meal and dessert and you know some ant walks by with. Hey there's one more piece of pie and you look at it. You're like you know two weeks before. I'd snatched it up in a second right then. Now thank you all but one of the things that you can do is you can use the predatory nature the fish against them so they could be full a you could twitch that spoon by them and they grab it just because it twitched by their face and that instinct kicks in and they go for it so some. Sometimes you go against that rule of thumb and you have to kind of break outside of your box and be like okay. I'm going to twitch. This really fascinates. That's worked for me before where i've fishing in an area where there's literally hundreds of thousands of emerald shiners and if you twitch and work that lure quickly gets those rainbow trout or those walleye or whatever it is those predators just to come and smack it well. I know with like retrieving spinners. Like i've got a lot of experience blue foxes right. Yep if you just cast sat out and just give it a straight boring. Retrieve you know depending on the mood of fish that can be very effective but a lot of times if you give it just a little bit of of some erotic right. Move the rod tip left and right change your pace of reading a little bit and just change. Change the presentation of that spinner instead of just being in a constant slow or even medium or fast but just a constant one direction. One one pace. That'll trigger that in predatory instinct in that fish. And they'll bite yeah. I probably my favorite digging spoon. Fishing moment of my life was catching tiger muskie on one and Pk they they had a one. And a half ounce flutter fish and it was fire tiger and padded put some like ducktail on the on the trouble on the back. And i was going to utah and they said hey anything you want me to try. And he said yeah. Take one of these with you. Of course he gave me like six. But anyways addict one of these with you. And i saw that one. I was like man. That is the perfect color for where i'm going. I'm going to try that. And there was a weed bed and it was pretty good size. We'd bed and so. I kind of took the boat and kind of went off of that. We'd bet a little ways and danny curdle who's been on the show. He was with me. And i threw off the outside edge. That we'd bet is kinda deep. Let that flutter. Fish just kind of fluttered down. And i snapped a couple of times when i saw this show come up behind it and i got really excited and popped it one more time. And he's just in an instant just was there and ate that thing and ended up catching three tiger muskie's on that particular spoon out. Danny he loves those. I know he's going to be listening. So but i'll tell you what man that catching muskie's and seeing them come because the water was fairly clear and seeing them come up and smack that spoon. That was something else. Man that was really really cool to watch. We've talked about that. Several times on several podcasts. At my favorite fishing is definitely top water. Yep and this this. This presentation that i was doing i was casting it out and i would let it fall next. The we'd bed. I would rip it up. Just with my rod tip. I'd snap murad tip really hard. And i was using heavy action rod staff that really hard. That lured jump up a couple of feet in the water column flutter down. Snap that rodney. Come up again. It's just so much fun when you can see him come up and hit it. And that is one of the best ways to present. Digging spoons is actually to cast them. Let them sync rip them. Let him sink and rip them in. I saw pat o'grady. He's he put on a clinic. One day we went out near cheyenne. There was a little body of water. I had no idea there will like shout in it. he did. And like this. One ounce nickel flutter fish casts away out there. I'm thinking what is he doing. And within about two minutes he had this really nice. Like seventy eight pound lake trout on took him a while. Got it in. And i was like he was doing. He was just letting it. Following the modern column rip fall river and fall works really well for all kinds of stuff was what makes the the digging spoon such the hot commodities for fishermen. I think it's the versatility man i mean. You can literally fish it just about any way that you want to in any season two. I've caught fish every time of year. I would say summer. I don't do it as much because there's other presentations. They're a little more effective in the summer but other than that. It's it's hard to beat them. I always have gigging spoons on me when i'm fishing. And you know depending on what species your after like i would say walleye. Sauger and trout are extremely extremely susceptible to going for edging spin. What's seasons would if you're targeting those three species with Jing spoon would you say is the best i would say for. Sure the late fall into winter and then the late winter into spring those are the best times to use a digging spoon on and off the ice then but yes right around break up and ride around for yeah is so for wyoming i would say wyoming the dakotas this kind of area bond tanna. You're probably looking at october. November december and then picking that up again february march april will words all around absolutely and depending on species. You said a bed or dead sticking or side of a lake or trolling. Just oh man. You know it's it's not just that one place in that one. Yeah it's it's an incredible. It's an incredible creation. A lot of people think that you just have to hang it over the side of the boat. Jacob straight up and down or put a hole in the ice and g get straight up and down. But there's so much more that you can do so that you know we've talked about all these styles of digging spoons but what. What helps you narrow down the decision to. I'm going to pick this spoon today. What are the features. You're looking for well. One of the biggest things is what are they eating. So i have some favorite colors and i have some favorite spoons. I i look a lot. What what are they eating. You know if they're eating emerald shiners. That are dying. I'm using aflutter fish period. Like i'm not gonna mess with anything else probably If they are eating crawfish. There's a crawfish. pk spoon. It looks just like a crowd. Ed as far as you know the pink color those fish will hammer i. We were catching saga on it. This winter and i mean it's it's an incredible presentation that you can do if i'm going after finicky pan fish like crappy or blue yellow or purchase or something like that that little tungsten predator that they make is a killer thing is tiny for what is it. It's only a quarter ounce way last night it's like a sixteen thousand sixteen up but it's yeah but you know because that's the one i fished with you a little bit and usually you get that tiny jig. I mean you're you're limited to like twenty feet casting because it's just it's so light but for the size but that one's having enough you can actually cast that thing out there and so you can get into that a little bit deeper water or those places that are harder to reach for some of the fishermen that you know for the same size lure right so you can get into some of those fish that maybe are less. Whatever and tungsten is kind of taken the fishing world by storm over the last few years I i know you like to fly. Fish tungsten beat headed. You know flies and different things like that. But there's a lot of tungsten takeover. The water failing shot chills there. 'cause retains more energy. It's heavy to heavy lead punch trae and same same with fishing. I mean you can have an extremely small lure that still ways quite a bit of ways a lot more than lead extremely hard s- terbal To good material but it's expensive boy. It's expensive like ten x the price of lead so when you start looking at price of tungsten lou versus a lead loor of the same size right now. The same weight tungsten is going to be half the size. which is yup benefit that we just talked about the. Yeah especially if the fisher wanting something smaller. But i mean you really have three main materials. That you're dealing with you have led spoons zinc spoons. And you have tungsten spoons and pretty much that covers all of them. I would say tungsten is probably the hot commodity right now but in general most of your spins or some combination of that right I know pk. It's it's pretty much zinc and tungsten. There are a lot of brands out. There that are mostly lead and mean doesn't make them bad to just their different to make a different price point to so and and it's a little different presentation because al they fall so when you if you have to pick some go to colors because obviously they common entry every color under the rainbow you know. Let's let's just say three colors. That would be your go to colors of any water any specie any day. What color would you have in that box. Man kurt it. Pk's gonna kill me because these are going to sell out. Probably say all these but I would say my top three for wyoming and pretty much anywhere. I would go for sure. Number one is the red dot glow not even questionable about that one. I mean that that lure. I've caught so many fish on. It's ridiculous so the the red dot glows definitely number one. I would say right behind that. You're probably looking like a fire. Tiger glow fire tigers. Great color It's hard to beat. And then i'll pick one of the metallic ones because you could pick between copper nickel and gold. I would say gold. I would pick. The metallic are good. I mean i. I caught my biggest yellow perch. Fifteen inch yellow birch outta glendale on a half ounce nickel flutter fish. One time i was fishing for walleye. But hey i'll take it so that that gives me an idea of you know if i'm enough i started in this and go look me as a new fishermen you go walk up and down the aisles. And he got seven in in go into rocky mountain discount sports right here in town and co look at lourdes selection. When you're paying five nine dollars allure. You don't wanna be buying a ton of these and you don't want to be losing a ton of them either if your trout person. Get the pink. The pink glow ban. That one is a killer around here for trout. So with digging spoons. Is there a better time during the day. Not that we're not going to specify season but is there a better time during the day to be digging versus anything else. Yeah i mean it. It's kind of seasonal thing too. But i would say in general rule of thumb. I like to fish like early hours of the day so just as the sun's coming up in the sun's going down of course again i'm mainly targeting walleye so that's part of the reason similar to hunting. Now i mean you can. You can still scare one up at lunchtime for you. Better be out there the first part of the day and he'd better better be out there. Tell see anymore. And that's where those those clothes come in. Because i know we were charging them up with flashlights and backed out. They will night. And don't know maybe maybe you guys don't want to charge your Your close up at night and then go fishing. I i wouldn't recommend it. I mean just just go home and wait till it's noon and hot again. Oh man yeah. You can fish them at night. You can fish them. During the middle of the day had more fun. Patrick with the headlight. Ed charged those up. Because those those predatory fish sometimes are nocturnal. And guess what they're doing they're hitting that stuff that at noon you could. You can cast your arm off and not get a bite and you'd go back out there at even seven eight pm when it's just getting a little dark and especially burbot as we learned this last year But yeah i. I would say you're you're probably looking at those first couple of hours. I mean typically. It's kind of more the late spring early fall fish till ten o'clock doing jogging. But after that. I kind of put them away. Go to something else but find it interesting. I've told you. I like to do the water sports a little bit right and so a couple of weeks. We took a few people out on the boat and they wanted to kind of lay around and be lazy and get out on the lake at one or two in the afternoon. Tot which you would think is. That's when you wanna go do water. Sports activities right. Well forget that likes to slalom ski. No i want that glass smooth water so from seven to about eight fifteen. That's when david wants to be on the lake duress today. Youtubers can have it. You fishermen could have it. I'll come back tomorrow. So if you're out there trolling and you're enjoying it. Here comes david. Rip by in his powerboat slalom skiing. Don't shoot we. Please just give you the same warning. I give all of them. Don't get too close. Regret it so. What fish have you caught on us. I guess it's probably easier to say what i haven't caught but i was thinking about that. I'm like gosh a little bit of everything. So walleye sauger northern. Pike large mouth bass small mouth bass white bass blue hills green sunfish black and white crappie perch rainbow trout brown trout. Coconut salmon burke's cutthroat sp- lakes tiger trout lake trout tiger muskie grilling whitefish suckers carp pretty much everything and i should have put challen catfish in there too. You can literally catch anything on these things. Channel cats priced meal that list. I'll channel cat man. I'll tell you parody a legend for catching huge huge channel. Cats glenn through the ice on spent That's the first time i'd ever seen that. It's crazy. I don't wanna pride too much but i'm imagining. You're fishing that spoon. Pretty close to the bottom then fishing down close to the bottom And that crawfish. keller yup. It's it's it's a killer man. I'm telling you that that is another one that you know if you have a body of water with a bunch of crawfish in and you don't have a crawfish. Pk spoon you're screwing up. I mean obviously ask for everybody out there listening you know. Check your bodies of water. If they have crawfish. You should be fishing across lure in. I mean you should have some for sure A lot of people are like well. I don't know that all fish eat it. Yeah trust me they do. I mean i've had yellow perch full of them that i've caught burbot love them. I love them to also. Who else loves them. That my buddy. Jim somebody yeah. Jim likes them alive. He catches them all the time. Mud bugs are the closest you get to dungeness crab they're really and then while i devour those things and trout too. I mean if you would be amazed at how many trout you can catch on a rebel crowd add. You know that old crank bait the you can buy at the store for like four bucks. You will catch trout. Walleye all kinds of stuff on that too so is one of the best ways to figure out. You know what you should use his after. Catch a fish figure out. What it's eating i i mean i always check the stomach if i always say you're not a real fishermen till you check the stomach contents of fish. I mean you really need to know what they're eating and kind of get an idea of what you might oughta be throwing. It makes a big difference for sure. So i mean i've done it once or twice on trout species and found just chocked full of either mosquitoes or this flyer that right and i switched to that fly pattern. Because i've worked really hard to get that first one work very hard anymore. Because they're just all of a sudden you if they're chocked full of that and you can mimic that food source. It's a no brainer. I'm gonna tell you stories gambler mine ready so my buddy says he's listening to this. I'm sure he lives up in idaho. He got this brook trout and he sent me i. I couldn't believe he sent me this this photo and he said look at how many crappier in the stomach of this brook trout now. Brick chowder. greedy. I'll tell you that there are greedy fish. He sends me this picture. There is something like thirty. These little tiny they look like. I don't know like quarter sized or half dollar size 'croppy that were in this little brook trout. I mean i don't remember how big it was. Seth yellow told me later but it wasn't a huge twenty four but it wasn't a six inch it was. It was a nice one. It'd hammered those things and so it's like they're greedy little stinkers alad anything. They can fit in their mouths Tell you a story about little hunter on his One of his first trips back to alaska. We were mostly Floss for for sockeye salmon. But just to just to keep him entertained. I threw a dollop of eggs on. 'cause i knew it was going to happen those trout just i mean. They gorge themselves on eggs to the point of. He finally caught this trout about the time. Baited him operate. You could just at the end of the drift. If you just kinda dead riff that eggs you'll just feel just fish just kind of pecking at it right And we put a lot smaller size hook on what we'd floss forward. And he finally caught that trout. It was puking aches when he took it out. I mean it was. It was so full eggs it could not fit another one in. It's mouth yet. It was sitting there eating his bait. It just blows me away. That i mean we're talking. A couple of eggs in eight inch tenants trout. I'll and i'll tell you what in the fall you'll catch rainbow trout and walleye around here. That have been eating emerald shiners and they will literally throw up all over you when you pull water i had. I had this thirty inch walleye. That i was the very first thirty inch wall. Eight ever caught picked him up out of the water and he threw up like four or five crappy that were like three inches long. Let's bait yeah. I was like holy cow and then you know went and put him back in another fish a little while later and it was like a mid twenty inch while i and did the same thing i mean there were crappy up in their feeding wall. I were feeding the crappy so to pretty much a standard rig on a spoon you know just just for somebody who's rigging one up the first time. What what else. How are you going to tie from the real to the jig. What's in between. Yes that's a good question So this one's a little bit tricky so we're going to get into the details a little bit here so it really depends on what you're doing if you're fishing for. Let's say you're ice fishing. Kate you're gonna wanna use lighter line. probably you know. Probably monofilament lighter line during ice fishing well. The water tends to be pretty clear. And you don't want the fish to see your line that's that's one of the biggest things But i've heard that lots is lighter line clear or during ice and i just always wondered why and are people they use fluorocarbon and binds. That are a little bit hersey But one of the things that i do is between the lure and i go up about a foot and a half two feet. I'll put swivel up sixteen inches. Above the are you tying directly to the jig with the line and then just putting a swivel mid line so what idea are using the snap. So so what i'll do. I don't use a snap. Swivel what i do is i put a snap to lure itself tied of the snap and then i go up you know fifteen eighteen inches something like that and put the swivel there and then That helps reduce your line. Twist obviously because you told us just a barrel swivel sixteen inches up and you're using just the snap portion off the swivel or you could just by is just yup yep And so. I have that attached. That what happens with the snap and so if you've ever had a A snap swivel. You'll notice that most of them have the kind of snap that kind of has a kink in it it's almost kinda diagonal and then you've got the really hard bend so the lure when it's hooked on that it doesn't have as much action when you're vertically jogging so i go with like do a lock snap that way. It has around. Your snap has a rounded edge so that that lure can really pivot and have a lot of action to it. So if i if i'm picturing this correct some of those snaps kind of have a triangle to the top more they snap through the and that triangle keeps lure centered in the swivel. It reduces how much action versus if you had that full radius in one hundred and eighty radius circle and if you get the figure eight snaps. They have that full radius. Want in my opinion. I have more success. Where have a little bit more play in that lower. And i want it to be able to have a lot more action be more erratic and so. That's how i'll tie up for vertical presentation now if i'm snap jogging which is a very aggressive type presentation. I don't break that way. I rig with heavier line. And i'm i'm tying again Snap same kind of thing. I wanted to have that action Level still or not you can still go to swivel. But you really got to pay attention when you're snapchatting And and the reason. I say as allender actually talked about this on his show. You can lose. A lot of fish. Snap jogging spoons. Because if if you have braid and you are snap in that thing. There's no given that line at all. And so if you hook a fish you can tear especially trout. They have a really soft mouth turns around right out of their mouth. And you'll lose lots of fish get a lot of hits but you won't land many of them and so like this spring. When i was doing it. I had eight pound monofilament which is about as high as i go around here. We don't have a whole lot. That is gonna make me worry but was using eight pound monofilament so it has some of that stretch to it and i was using that catching twenty two twenty four inch rainbow trout on boysan snagging. The new rattles spoon. That pk makes and man it was. It was killer. But you know in general. That's how i rig them just so that you don't get a lot of line twist And you want to have as much action in that leadership possibly can. So i mean just to go back on this and i don't think there's a right or wrong way to rig. What are these right. I think there's more justification for going from this line. Wait to that line weight going from just from my experience from the keanae you know you. Can you can floss with twelve inch lou leader in weight or you can go to a leader in weight but somewhere in between those two is kind of a happy medium. The goldilocks zone right. You go eighty inches. You're going to snag every fish out there because you feel the fish on the late eighty inches away is the hook and you start trying to set that hook. Will it set in three fish away right same thing if you run like twelve minutes leader. But you're you're you're just decreasing the amount of of above water. You're using right. So and i think about their in alaska a lot of times. We'd run braid. But then we'd run like thirty feet of motto as kind of tip it so you had that stretch but then you could get into the brain and the cool thing with braid kind of running it as backing quote unquote. I think fly fishing. Because i've got you know sixty feet or you know. I think thirty yards or whatever of floating line and then you go to a braid right because if you just went with floating line like flywheel. I'm not going to get a whole hotline on that real. It's going to spool up before by going switching between the two right but definitely you go to that braid. every that's a one hundred percent. There's no give to that fish and you can break them lose them so the braid is a really great line. I use it for a lot of applications. However i don't use it for snap digging. I mean if if you're gonna do it with snatching you're gonna lose a lot of fish and that's just pro tips that you can learn over time you know al brought that up and i had been doing it wrong years ago and i'm like oh well that makes sense now. I know why ripped through so many fish. Because i like the feel of break. You can feel everything. It's the fish is even close to it. You can feel it. But i'll tell you what man that monofilament for that is is really good. You can also do like what you're saying you can have you know a unit and you can put like five or six feet of either a heavier mono or you can put a floor. Carbon leader on with a unit. That works fine but again. It's a lot of it has to do with. What is your presentation. And it'd be if it's going to be a violent snapping of the rod you don't wanna use braid and you can also play with your drag tension from mono to braid you know if you're if you're using strictly mono you can go with a tighter drag because got some stretch in that line right if you're using strictly braid you better lighten that drag up because you're going to have those issues we talk about your solidly connected to that fish. Just justify how you reagan it and if it's not working change it right. Yeah if you drags not set right. You're gonna break your own heart and any fisherman. That has the experience what i'm talking about. So if i'm bass fishing you know. Down south or let's say i'm muskie fishing up north or i'm trout fishing somewhere here in the central states. What im- what would you say for the digging spoon. Just ten wrap this up. And what's the overall thought there for 'cause that's three different types of water three distinct regions. Right yeah jogging spoons have their place. That's what i would say so back in. I think it's two thousand ten. There were some folks down at lake for texas and they were big bass fishermen. They were fishing in the springtime. And they got hold of some of our flutter fish some of the half ounce nickel flutter fish and they were killing these huge ask you know ten pound plus bass on the digging spin and it is an application you can literally use anywhere in the united states and for just about any species they will hit it and i don't care for your pickerel efficient and the northeast or if you're tarpon fishing you can catch them on these. I mean think about tarpon. They're gonna hit something like that. But i mean digging spoons. How their place just anywhere that you go. If you were to go down to the amazon news jinx spins. You're going to catch fish. You can use them anywhere and I do want to talk about a couple other presentations to because i think you know. Oftentimes we do get stuck in that. rut of. We're just vertically digging through the ice. Because ice fishermen they use spoons all the time. The swedish pimple one of the big ones back. In the day you know the acme cass master. Pk spoons but there's so much more you can do. One of the things that i've noticed like down at the gorge. One of the things you can do for kokin e salmon is you can vertically jacomb but you can also put spoons down on down riggers and troll them and catch kokin as well or interesting. Because i've always used just a buzzbomb and corn for cocody. Yeah i mean you can do a lot of different things for for coke and In fact vertically digging digging spins right now for cocaine use smack this not out of them. I mean they are really great presentation and we. You know we've used that in the past but trolling them with the dipsy diver. You know using down riggers when you're trolling them. Are you still going to have that sixteen inches of leader between the swivel on the snap. Or you going to because a lotta times like when. I'm running a blue fox. Just go for my main line to a swivel to lure easy to change from one of the next to the next. I recommend that people have some kinda swivel system somewhere. You can buy the Snaps little has the the lock the do a lock snap. And so that's what i would recommend can use that to troll of behind the boat. I there are a lot of times on voice and david where you can throw it back. One hundred hundred and fifty feet and just troll and catch big rainbows all day long troll about two two and a half miles an hour. You're going to catch fish and so again you can cast them from shore and snap him back. You can straight retrieve him back. You can do all kinds of different things with spin. So i i hope that people listening to this will realize that digging spoon is not just to gybing spoons. Just j. don't just throw a hole in the ice. And his co. up. And now i mean if you're ice fishing then you're kind of stuck with that but on the the rest of the year. I mean you can go to streams rivers and cast him and retrieve them. I mean there are so many different ways you can fish on the second you get a leading edge on that ice right you can either get boat or get on the shore and kind of fish perpendicular to that edge and then you can snap jacomb or or even troll right if is is half off the lakes and you can tip them with things. I mean that's a very common thing in the summertime. A lot of people tip them with half of a crawler or whole crawler. You can tip them with minnow heads. full minnow if you want to know when you say tip them what do you mean by that so basically running off of the treble hook behind it. So i'll tell you a story. There is man this has been ten years ago. probably i went fishing in with dani and we. We went after cutthroat trout and it was really windy. Kinda nasty weather and we had some glow spoons and i put a gulp a full like three inch gulp off the back of one of the. Pk spins the red dot glow full in three inch middle. Yep through it out there. Because it was like half ounce lure psychic cast early far i let it sink and then i realized it back really slowly and what was cool is it transferred the action of the spoon to that gulp. Monosso that gold minnows twitching back and forth just slow. Josh shark back right It was killer man. I mean we got a bunch early. Nice yellowstone cuts those so. I've kind of reminded that girl swimming on top of the water here comes the fish. And you know it was crazy about that. Trip is that the average cutthroat. We are catching that day was like nineteen inches average so much fun so much fun and light light line to you. Know we're efficient. Like definitely is an evolution of hunters and fishers from. You know when i go out you just want to catch a fish right then you go out and you just want to catch a lot of fish then you go out and you want to catch a lot of big fish and then you go out and you just want to catch the biggest fish right you can. And there's that progression we all go through it. I can remember being a little kid. You know i've seen it with water. Fowler's i've seen it with you know bear hunters and l. counters and it. It doesn't matter you know. There's this progression from. I just wanna get one tonight. I want to get a lot tonight. I want to get a lot of big ones. And then it's finally no. I just wanna get it off if if the average rainbow or brook trout in that in that reservoirs tonight right. You wanna catch the twenty four. Yeah speaking. I want just the other day in the mail. I found out that what that trip that you and i took for brookies. I won the region for the catch and release on that fish. So that was kinda cool. That's really 'cause we got pictures of that you'll have to share that ass pretty cool so that was only like a week and a half ago last year we might need to make a day appearing go. I wanna go bad archer season starting and once that opens david's Got priority street. Yeah and so. I have one other thing. I'm going to say but we do need to talk about our sponsors. So you know if you're looking to put fish like say you want to catch a bunch trout and you want to smoke them. You'd better look at high mountain seasonings. They have some of the best fish. Brines out there and it is hunting season so david. I'm sure you're stocking up on high mountains. You make some jerky you you need a little pork suet. If somebody named patrick you can get some. David might have a pig somewhere to but yeah with with a some fresh venison. And if you're into it some pork sued or some beef suet and some high mountain seasoning. You can make so many different variety meals in treats it'll meat snacks of variety. That will keep you entertained and busy in the the cool part. Is you know you go to the the beef jerky i'll in the in store. You know you're pretty. You're pretty regulated too. You know but whatever's on the shelf and it's it's pretty pricey and it's it's chocked full of all these other preservatives. That are non. Not saying there isn't stuff in high mountains but it's there's a level of satisfaction when you take in take pork suet from your own pig. And you take some burger from an antelope doe or a meal doe or your elkton you got and you mix that together in follow the instructions. Either jerky shoot it or whatever you're going to make right. We make beat ball make all kinds of stuff and just to put that on the table the satisfaction of knowing where all those ingredients come from being having your hand in that whole process. It's just like you know. I really do like some smoke trout and smoked fish one of my one of my favorite recipes pretty easy you take eight ounces of cream cheese you take no usually a pound of smoked salmon and you can add some onions and some chives boy. You can just take cream cheese in just the smoke salmon. This will work for trial. You just flake up the trout. Put it in a bowl. You just let the cream cheese set out at room temperature and you just mix it up with a fork or a spoon. Put some ritz crackers out. It's way too easy at. It's a way to get absolutely so high mountain seasonings. Where where does everybody need to go. Hi mt and jerky dot com so high mountain. Yep aj mtn jerky dot com. You can get everything you need for your fishing. You're hunting any of that kind of stuff. Hey even if you're like david night you're going to process and pigs make some bacon or some hand even if you just wanna to go to the store and i mean i i would cringe at doing this but it can be done. People do it. You can go to the you could go to the freezer. It bhai prepackaged hamburger and they've got some some nice seasoning. Go onto your hamburger. So yes they do they have good stuff and then of course both spiderman and talk about that a little bit. You guys are hopping like crazy. We we're we're there again. I mean we talked about this last time. This year. During season yeah. We're we're knee-deep in in the muck trying to get your orders out so Do me a favor and You know get your order in yesterday and you know. Be patient with us. We we still are bain. Usa small mom and pop company. And we really do work. Work our tails off to get those orders out to you. Yep so great. Product gotta spider dot com. Check your local retail shops. If they don't have them ask forum and tell him hey. Cast guys said You need spiders in your shop. Both spotted dot com. Is the website instagram facebook. Youtube both spider. We did launch the feature hunting films. So if you're getting rich for that go check that out but yeah Thank you to everybody. That's gotta bo spider. So far and we're we're growing and expanding rapidly which is exciting. Yeah so the last thing. I want to talk about in regards to digging spoons and this is something that all of you need to learn before your ice fishing season. If you don't have a sonar of some kind to look at what the fisher doing in relation to your lure when using digging spoons. You're messing up now. And i'm just saying you will catch a lot more fish. If you have something. So i use a garment and i can look and see what the fisher doing. You can use any kind of flasher you want but it is really helpful to be able to see as you present that digging spoon whether you're moving slowly or ripping it fast. Because sometimes under the ice ripping it fast works but it's really important to be able to see. What is that fish doing in relation to how you're presenting that lower. Well a lotta times you because we those when we were out there ice fishing and was really cool for people who have never used one is. There's kind of two bars on that finder. Right one is the fish and the other one you can see going up and down. Is your jig and you can kind of. See as you're giving that jake different presentations fish time just completely sits there then all of sudden you stop pause go really slow or maybe it's a big rip right. It doesn't matter what it is but you can figure out. The presentation starts to get that fish to move up. And that's that's kind of like a video game me watching. That is really fun to figure out. Oh the lines getting closer to my line oh-oh and there's a couple different examples. I'll give you so few times. Fishing lake trout. One of the things that you'll do is you'll start down low on the bottom and you'll see them coming and typically as you start to raise that lure that fish will follow you up if you try to pull it away from that fish pretty quickly. Typically they'll come up and they'll hammer it you know so. That's one another one. That i had this last year. It was kind of entertaining. I had this sauger that was watching my digging spoon. And so i would dig it up and he would kinda come up and look at it for a second and then i would jiggle it in his face and then he kinda go back they disappear back into the bottom on. Because sometimes you have to gigolo their face like walleye insider typically can jiggle it in their face. they're close enough to the bottom. The sonar doesn't differentiate them between a fish. It's when they rise just a little bit off the bottom the sonar picks them up. So it's kind of fund. The sun was coming up as prime time to catch them. And i was like man. I gotta figure out a way to get this guided by. So i took a spoon and i pounded the bottom like three times and then i raised it up quickly to about a foot foot now off the bottom and he shot up there and grabbed it and it was a lot of fun just because like i figured out a way by stirring up some of that settlement on the bottom tim ginny. He's pk. lewer wrap up in canada. He's like the master of of doing that and catching fish But then there was another one. That was really cool. And i had no i if i hadn't had a sonar. I would've never seen this fish coming. But i was digging and digging kind of midway in the water column. 'cause a rainbow trout kind of cruising through. And i saw this fish at about five feet and my lure was down at fifteen feet and so i- ripped it hard twice and that fish went from five feet and shot down and hit and you could see him just screaming down towards it and he smacked thing and it was about a twenty two entering bill. Traut so it's just fun. You really have to kind of play with it. You have to see what the fisher dealing see what their mood is. But if you haven't been out and checked out. pk keilor dot com and picked up some pk's. You should definitely go out there. And do that just because i can tell you. I've caught so many different species and lots of bigger fish. I think we've given you a whole episode of reasons why to go. Check out our sponsor day. We're still grateful. They're on board. And yeah i've i've used fish with their stuff. I've cut master anglerfish with their stuff. And so i would. I'd get on there. I mean patrick. Go back and listen to the rest this episode if you're questioning which ones to buy and what colors. Sorry about your stock and inventory and i will tell you man. And here's the ones going in ice fishing season. Get some flutter fish get the quarter and half ounce you can catch pretty much anything on those and the pk spoon as well. And then on the predators get the eighth and sixteenth thousands predators and get a feel those tungsten. I'm telling you if you're fishing pan fish. You're going to be very very happy. Leave a few red dot glows in stock for patrick and i can go out there and support their bunch of great guys and But yeah it's it's it's a good thing to be thinking about. I'm excited for the fall. I'm excited for the fish. And that's coming up at can't wait. All hunters will be in the mountains leaving those bodies of water alone so it's kind of like your own little. You know sanctuary. Right thank you yes and i will be out there. That's for sure. All right ladies and gentlemen That wraps up another episode of broadcast outdoors. See on the next one. Yeah go to. Rag cast outdoors dot com for more content. And of course like subscribe in share with your friends. 'cause we couldn't do this without you.

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #45: Royle Scrogham from thatsbowhunting.com

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #45: Royle Scrogham from thatsbowhunting.com

"On this episode of rag cast outdoors. David sits down with roy from. That's blow hunting dot com to talk about calling in monster bull elk riding bulls and much much more. This is an episode. You're definitely not gonna wanna miss so sit back and enjoy this. Episode of rag cast outdoors. This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain seasonings. Sean rad cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here are david larrell and patrick edwards. Well hello and welcome everybody to another edition of rad cast outdoors. Today you have the The wonderful experience of just listening to me as patrick is on the road. Traveling working so we will We miss you dearly. Patrick we look forward to you on the next episode. But today i have mr That's bow hunting. Roy was with us. And we're gonna talk about whatever we feel like today. Yeah it could get deep so if those you don't know you know roy and i met last year him and jc run a company called. That's bow hunting. And they've got some epic films out there youtube so go ahead and give them the given the spiel. Yeah we start filming a few years ago and we got a couple of seasons out now and we're on all social media platforms pretty much facebook. Instagram youtube. You can find about everything. We've filmed is on youtube right now and it's just under that's bow hunting and You know that's his long story really. How started but Jc and i used to be professional writer for living and kinda got mad up that way and kind of realized that we both hunted and started talking that way. Now you you mentioned me just not hijack you there but you mentioned to me that elk. Hunting was the only thing that came close to getting on the back of a bowl. Is that true. Yeah it's pretty close. You get screaming wolf coming in. You know breaking staff through the brush Getting at heart pounding. That's about as close as you can get The only difference is the bull. Mike you know the l. vc's he's probably going to book spook verses Buchan wolves probably gonna run over here so give the listeners. A little bit about you know. Because i want to hear about your career bo rydin and because i haven't done much of it and that's not my forte. So well i mean you for ten years. That's how am i living and went up and down. The road on traveled all over the united states. And like i mentioned that's how i met. jc Made a lot of lot of good contacts over the years Do bowl radan. And you know. I was born and raised in kentucky. On you. Know now live in casper wyoming and You know part of that was moving out there to do. That's bow hunting and but I mean i attributed a lot you mentality know the toughness in the field The i dunno hardheadedness. I guess contributed that bull riding That carries over in mahoning. And you know. I've told several people this i don't think Growing up in kentucky On white tails that i ever would have came west. Had i not robles and they gave me the confidence to leave home and go somewhere and try something. Different in You know we're coming up on eleven years ago. Jaycee and i went elk hunting together for the first time. We'd both started elk hunting the year before i drew a coveted kentucky l. tag. They haven't had very long and rocky mountain elk foundation was a big of transporting knows. They were a big key in that and You know now kentucky. Biggest elkhart East of the mississippi and doing some big bowls. Yeah they're killing some big bulls there and Free fifty plus. yeah I think State record don't quote me on this. But it's i think it's four two four four something like that you get one of those tags. Yeah you're gonna have shot at a animal that anybody be happy with and you know i. I do that tag. And i'd never been elk hunting a period. I didn't know anything and just started. Watching course primoz videos and stuff people do that. Don't know anything asking every question. Everybody you cut it. How do i do it. We've been jc. He was born and raised in casper but had never been elk hunting either in. He drew a seven tag that year and for semi rail cutting winning seven tag which he didn't end up killing rommel that year looking back maybe maybe could've save save sephardic gone somewhere. Probably did if you over the counter general tags you know type deals before he's hooking you know bailed off into that but it was a learning experience and he learned a lot from it and you know him learning from that. I've benefited from that as well. Getting knowledge from him what he experienced and river listener. That's bragged area seven up pretty good. And i've never been over there but i'm sure it's good. I've hunted seven twice. Not with a tag. I will say open. You know help j. jc one year and then we went in with another buddy another year. And you you get in the right spot. Yeah it's awesome But if you're not in the right spot it sucks just like everywhere else. It's pretty easily accessed. There's a few cow hunters in there. There's still some pressure it's not. It's not elk. Hunting is not a slam dunk. I don't care who you are where you go. No you know even even those really good tags unless you got access to all kinds of private then yeah you're still going to work for it it a matter so back the bull riding in. Oh how'd that go. You're still walking around in one piece not broke up to bed. It went well. And i loved it. It was a huge part of my life for a long time. When it started really odd. I would say the traveling got to me more than anything Ten ten years in his. How long did that for a living. And i did really well at it. I made a. I made a living doing it. I didn't get rich by any means. i wish the better years that i had had. I'd been a little better about saving money and putting some stuff back versus thinking. I'm never gonna have another day new pickup. But you know it's like oh. Yeah we're getting new tires on the pick of this weekend you know and just you when you're young and dumb you don't you don't think about the future. What friday night. Yeah yeah it was today. What's next week you know but eventually kind of i had a son that was a big game. Changer for me We we put off having kids me and my wife for seven years of our marriage. We didn't have kids. And it was. Because i was going on the road at least four days a week. It seem like and that was year round so we had had a son and I mean my drive just almost completely left to to get up leave and be gone three or four days at a time After he was born and so it was just like i need. I gotta have something to fill this gap you know and you know. I've hunted had in my whole life and really been in hunting and archery mainly so that's when j. c. n. a. darted went in hunting together. I was going to colorado to haunt get over counter tagged there and because i didn't have any points anywhere to do anywhere. Anything else and he called me up out of the blue and and dioxide asked me about bo that he was thinking about buying one of my opinion on it and then I said. I'm going to call this fall. And he said well. Who's going with you and i said well i three or four guys going but as we've actually got to put tires payment that this happening. They've all backed out so as me by myself. He said yes sounds like. I'm going to be going by myself to while we just meet up and go together and we did yeah. It was Second day which in my first day up. I killed a bull like nine thirty that morning. That started that from from there in. I mean since then we've not missed an elk season together and this will be eleven years well haven't hung around you and jc some days. I would think you to don't really like wow. We're we're kind of like brothers in a way the best way you can put it. You know you can get mad if you want to. Ain't nobody leaving so so go over there and be bad we'll talk about it later so it doesn't You know we kinda have that relationship that it's not You will dance your voice. Our opinion either one of us on and we don't hold back every now and then. We basically haunting because especially elk hunting. You get into some symbols and it gets really intense. Bulls are screaming. You're trying to move and get and positioning and and you get your ear and kill mode and so you got a hunting partner. And if i feel like you need to come on or stay back or whatever needs to happen during that time and it's really intense i might turn around and yell at you. I'm not doing it because i'm mad at you. It just like hey. I need you here now like this has to happen right now and we both understand that. From being in rodeo world dylan's bucking bulls It's the same thing when you're dealing with two thousand pound animal that'll eat you alive. Then stuff has to happen right now. And it's like you know if you go to move and cattle or are working bulls or anything of that sort. Things are gonna get sad that nobody meant and you know and if you if you were curse words were invented for working cattle and so if if you wear your feelings on your sleeve you're gonna get your your feelings hurt you know and we just don't let it bother us and And it's we. We went for years and didn't pay any attention to it and then it got brought up to us by a guy that went hunted with us. And he's like you know. If i if i know you guys i wouldn't thank you guys liked each other and I of looked at jc. And i was like. I guess we have been pretty lively this morning. And he's like yeah. I guess so and we are tone it back since we got company. You know but But yeah i mean it. It does get intense. But like i said we don't let it hard feelings if it's his day up and he's trying to you know he's reading the situation different than i we. We do hump very similar but we have different ideas on. It's always when you're on the front line when you're under the gun you're under the pressure but also you're right up there. It's way easy. If you're a hundred yards back to say well go ten yards when you're right there. It's it's really hard to go. Oh i should moved. Yeah it's it's night and day difference. Just move one hundred yards different. Yeah they'll yeah. How's how's the emotional feeling changing gears just a little bit back to bull riding right before that gate opens right when you slip over and put your legs around that bowl. What's i've never done that. What's that experience like. Well you know to be honest with anybody that will set up and rise bowls for vastly and says oh. I'm not. I'm not scared. They're they're lying straight up air their mental case. One of the two. Because you're always nervous. You're always scared. But after hundreds and hundreds of bulls that you get on you kind of become numb to getting shoot it becomes a routine. You're doing the same thing every time you're trying to duplicate the last time that you want and and so you're always trying to do the same thing over and over in your shoot procedures exact same and you know a lot of guys kind of fall into the zone there and really. There's not a lot of emotion. There offer gaza do for living until after the rat and then when rides over. You got this unbelievable amount of adrenaline. That has never hit your body before and and you're super excited. And if you just made a great writer especially rollable that had a reputation or never been ridden before you feel like godzilla near the baddest cat in town. You'd find a line at that very moment and you give it thirty minutes and let the journal and run off and then you're like okay now you're back to normal but yeah it's it's a feeling like none other. I don't know any other way. If you're an adrenalin junky rambles drugs. You you can't wait for the next one. And even i retired now. We're coming up on eleven years since i retired. Got them my last bull. And even now i mean every now and then ride down the road or whatever that feeling will hit you again and you kind of us steel in the back of your mind you kind of miss that feeling of that danger and excitement you know so i. I race dirt bikes. I never went professional. But i did. Do some entered some money races. In that i wouldn't say that's comparable or even close because i'm one hundred percent and control throttle. I want to shut her down. We shut her down. But the pre-race jitters would definitely know if you're saying that doesn't happen. I mean wants the racist started you kind of get in that zone. You're talking about the flag. Goes down or the gate goes down as long as the bike starts your. That's my biggest fear. Some the starting tried to start my bike boy. And it's neat. It's been neat for me now. Being retired talking to guys that knew me back in the day and getting their perspective of it right. 'cause i kind of had my own routine when i was really riding good and you know i was behind the buck institute so i was really quiet i kinda paste a little bit as i was coming up to my turn you know and i was kinda running my plan through my head. I guess and was kind of my own zone. I ran into guy from tennessee Here a while back in was talking to him and he said he told me that he when he first got around me. He was shocked because he thought that i was. There's no way that i could be a good bull rider. Just watching my routine. Because he thought. I was scared to death. He said he said i would watch you. He said you were pacing. You're quite you weren't getting amped up and he's like go win the bull riding and i'm like how the crap this dude just do that like. He's he looked like he was completely scared of his mind. Didn't want to be here. He said you just looked scared to death in which is weird. Because i didn't feel like our scared to death that that you know what i mean. It was just but other people's perspective you know they they see it From your reactions. He said it was always kind of a mind game with him a competing against me. Because i didn't get amped up. I wasn't there. Like i'm the baddest dude showing off to other guys. You're just getting the quite guy sitting over in the corner and then all of a sudden you know you make a great bull riding. They're like whoa. What how'd this happen. Like a guy gadgets of broke the mold nothing. Jc was kind of the same way. I don't i rodeos. Jc for a lotta years in ever remember jc getting super excited beaten. His gestured hooping and hollering. You know you know maybe at a little small radan somewhere where we were dead. Local fairgrounds or something and goofing office after but but actually being serious competing at jc was never flamboyant guy. You know he. He's got in there and got the job done. Both of us did very well in our own. I in our own way. You know my goal was always. I was married for almost my entire career. Radin wolves And so which is unusual. Most guys single right. Yeah and then somewhere along way if they don't a lot of People people don't know tim tation israel and it's out there but You gotta be that for a guy to stay married and ride bulls. He has he has to be a strong individual To go down that road but you know my goal was always to be able to take care of my wife. And i had some balkan bulls at the time you own them right. yeah on them We le- symbols out. You know and so my goal was always just to make a living. That's you know. I just wanted to be the guy that everybody knew was a good router. And you know i could read anybody's bullet anytime you know. What if i showed up. you know. There's a good chance. I was wanting to check. And you know. And that's pretty much. What i did. I had some really big highlights. I came to cheyenne frontier days when they had the pr there End up when enforce that year in. Cheyenne was ninety. Short round. Wrote a book called uncle charlie. That was on ridden that year. Up until that point. And you know and that's one of the big highlights of my career. I want a pretty big check that one one super bowl world title in two thousand ten. We'll come in rank. Ninety walkaway rink fours pretty good. Well yeah the so they. We had some really good highlights. Jc you know he got on the bill. Four tough series won a lot of money in jc did really well too. And we were both very respectable routers well known throughout the country so built that foundation. And obviously you've been shooting bows for. Yeah ever started I think i got my well when i was like seven or eight. Dad bought me a little cheap. My you know. Bow with the cables on it. And i got a spanking with one of my heroes for shooting a baby bird. You're hooked from that point to. And so i shot blows and you know i really didn't hunt until i was about thirteen Because my dad didn't hunt at all and has molecules at the end. In my uncle we bought a farm bigger form. My uncle and my cousin got the hunting for me rights farm. So tell us about that. I bo what do you remember. Well lot of mistakes Because i started out. Wow mama i bow. I bought a it was a bear. Black bear old around. We'll you know. Had the teardrop string. I had a pse. No aircraft gables. The teardrop strings cooked together. Yeah out the ad in having sites what we're sites and and i it was just a compound bow. What was a release. And i think about my my arrows at walmart. And then i had. I think game getter exit. Seventy five easton's yacht owned twenty one seventeen and i had. I had one hundred twenty five grain broadhead. And i can't remember who made it might have been sad. Light made up broadhead blades. Were on it. We would shoot at like a pie plate on. Hey bill because we didn't have a target man. Just practicing in the yard at fifty yards and i could accolade almira in there and i was like i'm ready. I'm ready. i had a dole walkout at like twenty five yards and on the ground. I was actually walking to my dear stand when i ran into her and she walks out and i draw back thanking this just done. I still don't know where that arrow went. We never found it. It didn't go anywhere close to her. Were you even able to close to the time. I don't even know And then i shot it like three other deer and just weren't even coming close to hit them and i couldn't figure out what was going on and finally there's adrenaline difference between a hay. Bale pipe played a silver one. Something real. It's no different than riding bulls in the practice. You couldn't bug me off. I don't care who you can run in godzilla practice paying. I could ride him but you put you know. Twelve hundred people out there in the stands and you know music in ten thousand for grabs. Yeah it's a little different and and so Ended up getting sites. And i didn't know anything about most anything about tuning in the local bo shops. We had their close to my hometown. i mean all i can say the nicer wag said. They were horrible like they did. They didn't know anything about setting bowl. Opportunity bo. I started at a big box store. It came from the bow manufacturers a pse nova kit you name with the quiver and didn't come with arrows but some stuff right and pretty much just threw together and kicked me out the door and said have fun. I'm trying to think. I think it was true. Glow maybe this first site that i got. And it was the l. flat plate and the pens ahead. A little optic piece on the end of them. But the pants you screw. That was a brass pin that we've painted with finger new orleans. I think i got a gold hand-me-down it had a little piece of like look like five robert half inch round well in this one didn't have the round it. Had it had the square. Just like a bolt. You had been square but it did had little five rocked him but it had brass nuts. You had to screw the peons in and out you know. My bow was so out of tune that Why i i didn't know anything could be timed well. Yeah and arrest can be adjusted really. I thought you just adjusted your your point of aim to wherever they're doing so i signed it then was field tips knowing that broad heads would shoot different especially one hundred and twenty five grand fixed blade out of a non tune bowl right. If you're not pay for tune those blades are going to play in all over the place and and so i ended up going hunting that night. Adele came in twenty yards chip shot. Quartering away just what you look for. I drag twenty yard. Peon owner shooting fingers. We didn't what was release right. And i shoot and of course this oboe. Had it sound like a twenty two going off. And i heard the arrow hitter and she ran up into the the cedars and fail and my cousin. was hunting on the backside of the form and he told me he said. Don't get anything if you if you shoot something. Just wait come out wait for me. We'll go in together in track it. You know it's not know anything about tracking a wounded animal. I'd never killed anything. So i come out and i'm waiting on the road for him when he comes out and he's get someone has aleksandra. Yeah yeah yeah. He's like oh you hit it said was adele. She's quartering away twenty yards. How this here just perfect behind the of dislike you know you want. I heard her fall. And so we get over there and we found blood where i shot her. We track your about one hundred fifty yards in the cedars and we find where she bet it down and and she's gone so we were. We track her up on the ridge. We're falling drops of blood crawling on our knees with a flashlight and we finally find this though and she's not that i shot her in the hip. I did not hit her. Where i thought a hitter. Don't want her to suffer. I had left my bow back to trucks. I didn't have a bowl. Where like we're going to do what we're gonna do ended up. I had a little dull pocket knife. We it's horrible story but we we ended up grabner and and sledding her throat disa- she'd go ahead and bleed out because she was sitting there wounded. I mean it wasn't We would have been hours going back and getting the truck and getting a bowl or getting a you know a gun to the finish your off so it was kind of a bad experience for me. Starting out i went home and it bothered me really bad and mike okay. Wh why did not hit this deal. Where i was aiming. I'm proficient like i shoulda hit her where i was aiming house like. Well maybe my broad heads are hidden different. Let me try those. So i go out in the yard. Screw my broadhead on. My broadhead is hidden almost eight inches to the right of where my are. And i'm like crap. Okay so i just. I'm like why have sided with my broad heads in tune bowl really i move it over. Move that being over. Get that broadhead side of the end so back up to thirty yards and only had three pence but a backup to thirty yards and i had one hit moved. That penn over to be even. Because i've already got my distance from field points that one hit about four to six inches further to the right so and so your pins or pins. Were all the way back to forty yards and Tim tebow around and then And then through that journey. I ended up as a teen. 'cause that was. I was thirteen fourteen at that time. My mom she was always into going to yard sales and stuff on on saturdays and she got up and wanted to go yard. Nobody wanted to go with her and so they ended up. Dad made me go with her. And i was just ticked like there was a lot of things i could have done on saturday morning. Besides go yard selling with mom right and that's like punishment it's so i'm sitting in the van and just mad at the world and she comes over she goes. Hey there's a bowl over there and really and she's like yeah. I don't only you might like anymore. I want to go look at it. And so walk over. And i see this boy and i pick it up and it's way nicer than the ball. I'm using right and it was a pro line but which wake anymore either but it actually had like real strings on it. Not cables in a teardrop. You know. I drew it back. And i was like wow. This one stopped when it gets to my to the corner of my mouth versus going to all the way to my ear. We'll just today little different gears nip. I pulled my old diamond. Dippers out of the horse trailer. They're they're they're my emergency bandages. And what brand are your nipper is they're monitoring. Fcc yeah well. It's got a little bit different. I picked yours up. Wow those are waiting in line. This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by bow spider. Both spider is the number one solution for helping you. Pack your boat in the field doesn't matter whether you're western style hunter. If you're hunting out of a tree stand you definitely want to have a oh spider you may want to use it in your truck to mount to your headrests to help transport you're more efficiently that way you may wanna throw it on a day. Pack on your multi-day pack on your bino hires. There's a whole bunch of different ways that you can do it. Definitely go check out both spider dot com to see what i'm talking about and make packing your bill is cinch but just does. My athens dances both fit me. It was the right draw length. And i went home and i started shooting his bow and whoever owned the ball beforehand. What i don't know where this guy got it from archery shop or whatever. The bow had to be semi tuned. It came with a quiver for larrose. When i lost bent those arrows. I just okay. I want this exact same merrill. This link is shoots. Awesome out of this bo. Who knew what they're doing a little bit it set. You just got it handed to you instead of to flounder around on your own and figure this out. So i ended up killing a just a small ape point buck with it In had a really good experience hit him do both front shoulders you know went to the scapula and he ran thirty yards and fell over. And we'll the caveat this little bit you know to back up until everybody out there listening you you do any kind of hunting long enough. No matter how much you practice you know things are going to go live. It's going to happen to you and it's it's not that anybody's intentionally doing it. Oh and and you know and when You know even to this day. Just by the grace of god. We don't wound that many animals are haven't but when it happens it never feels good. You're never happy about it and you always feel horrible about it. But i'm giving you my background on nine. Just because i didn't have a great start. I didn't have anybody to have a lot of help in archery world. I didn't have anybody that knew anything about it. A couple of looking at you funny like. Here's a gunman that bow and So that bo shot for a couple of years. And like i said if it me great and it was the best experience out had was a bo- we shot every single day. We lived on a farm every single day. If i had fifteen minutes we were in new york shooting bowl. We had that we think we're going to church. It was sunday morning already. Got up out in the shoot. My dad comes out yelling at me. Get in the truck we gotta go. We gotta go and so he had a little too horse trailer park there so i just put my bow in the try to just set it over the back door. You know instead in trailer not thinking anything of it well. He had a dog in that trailer. That i didn't know it was in there. And it's you'd most string in half and so. When i got home from church i went to grandma an hour. Let's take we. Finally there was a local archery shop there in frankfurt and we we took it up there to get a bow string on it and they're like you know they don't even make these woes anymore. I'm like yeah. I get it. But so give me his both the best ball around and so they put a new string on it. I came home and both shah horrible at literally. Couldn't shoot it. I claim both same bo say marrow sang marrow same shooter yup new beau string everything was supposed to be put back exactly the way it was. I couldn't hold group with it. It was very inconsistent. And i couldn't figure out what was going on with this bo. We're stuck broad heads. They weren't even close. To what the hell and i was like. Something is wrong. so i'll go back to the the beauchamp. I couldn't drive. I had to get somebody to take me up there. And i go in and fester and somebody every day for two weeks and we go to the shop today and so they take me and get up there and i walk in the bow shop and i'm like i don't know what's wrong but something's wrong with this bow. I i can't get it to shoot you. You know you put the new bolstering in his. It's shot horrible. Ever since i don't know what it is you know. Can you fix it. And so a hammer blow across account or to him and he literally turns my both sideways. Doesn't dropback doesn't scale. It doesn't check timing doesn't shoot it sou- paper. He doesn't do anything other than rolled-over he at it. And then hands it back to me and said it's not the it must be you and i'm like what and you didn't have the actor to say. Well wait a second here. Yeah i brought before the string and it was shoot bullet holes and now i can't hit the side of a barn and i was a night to. I've been there and so so then he goes. Okay you know. Maybe maybe it's is owned community binding and so he talks about a new beau and I ended up on a new. I think it was up martin. Prowler or something. You know a key. Hokey at set up and went home. And i just never shot that bo that whale and so i kinda went from about two years that i didn't really bow hunt that much. I rifle hunted but a bohannon. Just a little bit. But i just wasn't into it. Because i in chuma bo. Well now. let's back up a little bit. If that dealer had taken the time to check timing bow but draw board your bow and take you to the range in and do a few shots and make sure you were had some basic skills in in his defense. That was would have been in the nineties. I don't think he knew how i truly don't think he knew how. There's a lot of shops even now that don't know and You know that's one thing that i wish the bow companies because i this is jumping further my story but i had an archery shop that i actually ran in kentucky for almost seven years and the one thing and it was by accident at that began but The biggest thing i found was the inconsistencies and archery sharpton is because they didn't have the information. It's not that they wouldn't have done it. They didn't know and you can't do that. You don't know how to do so you know. I wish that both companies general would be you know. They have sales reps on the sales reps. Before the new boats were coming out would come out and walk through the bow. The set up in tuning of this new boat with a dealer So the dealer has that knowledge the now have certification courses and you can put certifications up on the wall one level to bow tech's and you know i'm i'm to the point now where i'm getting third access level sites doing buddhu stuff right because we're getting single sliders and we're putting all this math to get my sight tape on there right. It's not something you do on a win. No in the backyard with with with the jam nut on a brass pin like we just had a guy. We get gas all the time we meet. Yes j. cnn From having artery shop in his background but the the bow that that ended up what ended up happening is like i said i went a couple years. I ended up von Housing it's a viper. Tech is what i ended up with. And i got that bow and i went down the rabbit hole. I'm going to tune it in part of that. Because i was started. Right ahead. start riding bulls at that point and i was starting to travel. I was would go places. And i would meet people and we would start talking gets about hunting and bow hunting and and they talk about shooting. And i'm like wait a minute. You shooting sixty seventy yards. What i don't even think my bowl shoot that far like what's and then they're like well. Let's start talking about tuning like toning. Like i never heard anybody talk about this stuff. You're all here's your ears. Perked up anew. Isn't it now. And so i had a couple of traveling partners that They had a rough time because for about four years. I drug him in every archery shop that we passed from the east coast to the west coast. I mean if i we were going on the road and i saw sign and we had thirty minutes we were stopping and i'd went in and you know i've been a lotta guys years. I even got on archery talk. Which is a dumpster fire. I've sorry but You talk but my wife has banned me from getting on You know if you want to get in a fight. When i remember one day i argued was a gallon. Autry talk about tune in a bowl. I was trying to help another guy and this guy jumped on telling me that. I was didn't know what i was talking about and finally has like. Who is this dude like. After about two hours of arguing. With this dude i click on his profile. He's fourteen and i'm like you need to just shut up and get off your mom's computer your mind me of new or he's back again so new masters so anyway I went down that rabbit hole of tuning in So once i started learning how to tune bow instead of bo up. Check cam tommy. I i bought a little pocket press. You know you could follow. So i started working on both had two younger brothers that had started hunting and getting into bow hunting and i tune their bows and set him up and and then they go shoot with their buddies and their buddies. Like how can you you to with your broad. It's like no my boasting well. How do you do that. I don't know my brother does it. And then night so they would call me. Hey would you to my boat. I ended up doing one for my taxidermist because he had won a bow at like a. I don't know it was like a wild turkey federation or something dinner. He went to and he won a bow. Went down this rabbit hole. Because necessity dictated you had to learn. I had to learn how to tune if i was gonna you know shooting in being archery and so anyway i tuned us bo and set it up for my tax dollars because he he had already taken the ball to two different archery shops and they didn't want to work on the bow because he won the bow and they he didn't purchase it from them and so all they could charge forward labor. 'cause the bow came with the the bow came as a package but it wasn't put together like it came with a site and rest and everything but it wasn't it wasn't put together ready to shoot. It had to be set up and nobody wanted to do it because they weren't making any money off from it. I don't wanna throw any bo manufacturers under the bus They're trying to put a good product. But there's a there's a very big quality difference of going into a big box store buying brand x. name brand you know top of the line boa- and buying that exact same one at a pro shop. Yeah right because a pro shops going to go through and do some things you know you get the big box. They're literally going to open it. The plastic packaging off hanging on the shelf. You're going to come in and they're going to screw around decide on and out as soon as the laser level comes out. I'm like Yeah the the biggest one. I look at is in loctite on most everything on bone needs. Yeah tight it just giant and well. Here's a here's another little little tip secret that A lot of guys may or may not know if you don't have access to loctite while you're setting your bow up are you both already been set up. And you're getting ready to go on hunt bolstering wax the cheap stuff the hard stuff that that sucks on your string that super hard rub that on the threat and then screw it in and it's almost like loctite when you go to try to take it off it's going to be in your rants enabled. Mike are loud pop sound when it breaks the threads loosening out fine but that works good as as replacement for loctite. If you're in a pinch you don't want your ever come lewis. You don't want to rest coming loose. Come on because it will you know. Murphy's law if it can and will happen it will especially when you're hunting. But but anyway so i said that boa for that taxidermist. He tried sending up himself and he shooting the ball. And you could see it in mid area. Ira would kick in ways before it would hit. And i told him i could fix. And he's like no way was like yeah. He's you and bring it back tomorrow. So i did. I took it home reset it up tuned. It took it back. I told him and have make a couple of judgments with you shooting. Because it's not me and we went out in the yard. And i did. And he shot in those areas. Look like laser beams going to the target and he was like holy cow. Will you do this for other people. And i was like yeah. I do it for buddies and stuff. He's like wow might give your number out. Will that summer. I did like forty six bows in. My wife's laundry room was where. I always worked on mabo and every day because i would get home before she did from work she would come in. She would walk in the laundry room ago. Who sitting on my couch and how mike I don't know what's so and so he called me up when we do this blow and so everybody would in so people start bringing. They're both and they will be like well. This is worn out. What rest do i need. And i suggest arrest or side or whatever that i needed to replace. And they're like why don't you just you know order order and put it on that way. We don't have to go get it. Whatever and so. I was running artery shops ordering stuff online for them and i wouldn't make any money from it and and everybody was like you just need to open shop so i'll let you the openness shot with fifteen hundred bucks whereas stuff which you can imagine what fifteen hundred dollars worth archery stuff on the wall. Looks like Not much looks like a quarter million dollars inventory You know when. I closed it and when i closed it we probably had one hundred fifty two hundred thousand dollars product on the wall at that point time but it you know it taking a few years for me to build that up And had gotten a dead a little bit too. I ain't gonna lie about that. What i went all success but because it's very easy to go with especially you start bringing bowl companies into your shop. You know they're like y'all oh yeah we'll set you up. You're in a good area. You got about forty six thirty a month. Yeah yeah we'll program amount and you know you'll take ten at a time and it was like well what if i don't sell. Well they're yours. I guess that's christmas thanksgiving So they end up and i had I had one. I won't name them. Because i won't shame anymore companies but i had one boat company. That didn't meet pretty wrong in the course of having shop. And that's what got me around that shop and running down the rabbit hole of tuning anybody out there listening to this. If you have a good bro bo shop that takes the time to tune your bo- properly and spends a time. If you have a problem and i go you. You go back in there and they take the time to fix it. Spend your money either. So i drive five hours from here to abo- shop why because the beauchamp shop i go to We draw board we paper to third access. We have a. He's got a gimbal right. So we can put my bow in the gimbal. And with the arrows and the quiver. Use the back bar. Get one hundred percent balanced when i walk out of there with my site tape i mean. Do you know what kind of justice. I make to my bo. I might have to bump tonight. And and that's upper down a quarter inch at twenty yards to get it on and that's worth a lot and people don't and so i'm saying this from having a boat shop. If that bo shop is is in your area in there they're treating you well. Don't you need a new beau site go by. I realize everybody has a budget get on amazon. Walk back in there and say we put on. Because amb whoever sold out on amazon got the markup made the money for it. You're walking into the bow shop and ask him to do it for free. And some of these reputable guys they will. They'll do it just sale next time. Just just from where. I'm from in kentucky. Bo shops can't make they can't keep their doors. Open a mabo shop We actually lived in a barn. We turn into born into a house and you had a huge hayloft with the old school tongue and groove flooring and everything we we actually put a deck off of that hayloft and made a separate entrance and turn the hayloft into archery shop. So i wasn't paying rent. I didn't have extra light bill. Other than the you know the extra that was on from having archer shop open. Or whatever. And so i have second utility second rent and so that was the only reason my bow shop survived was because of that because of the big box stores we were. I grew up some waddy kentucky idiots on interstate sixty four directly in between louisville and lexington. Thirty minutes to lowell. You have bass are well known mountain aspro in local. You have cabela's Clarksville indiana which is right across the river. Another fifteen minute drive after you get there. There's a huge bass pro shops. Lexington has sportsman's warehouse. They also have a cabela's And everybody runs by their stuff. You know people. And then people don't make that kabila's is you know a couple of percent cheaper the same the same true glow site that's hanging on your dealer shelf and is hanging in cabello is usually a couple of bucks cheaper and cabela's if everybody wants to save a hand they run sales and stuff Dealer can't because he's not on he doesn't have the buying power that kabala hassle. Yeah and that's what customer doesn't realize is cabela's isn't paying the same amount for that site that the dealer did the dealer probably paying depending on how expensive of the site that he is he's paying probably ten to twenty percent more for that product to have it on the shelf by and put on your talent for the same price and so when kabila's has a thirty percent off sale he can't he's gonna lose money and and so here's one story in particular that i've told and still as it makes me scratch my head because this guy was a businessman and i won't drop his name because he might listen to this podcast. Who knows but he called me up and wanted to know. He asked me how much a whisker biscuit was. And which is one of the cheaper site on the market and he asked me how much it was. And i think the one i had only had one. Because i didn't sell a tunnel. Whisker biscuits 'cause you know drop ways pretty much taken over. It seems like any. Some people do like the whisker biscuit and it's great entry level. It's a great rest at works. Perfect it's easy to tune in. It's you know fixable. The only difference is i'd say just people that don't know as a whisker biscuit is going to have fleshing interference every shot slightly. Didn't wear out. it will wear out over time. People don't realize that drop away has no fledging airfare and settle and So anyway i think it was thirty nine ninety nine or something one a half sounds about right and he's like okay. Well liabilities having a thirty four nine. That was like two hours in between and it's getting close closures on a saturday you know and i was only open for half a day that day anyway. So it's getting closer to time for me to close and he calls me up and he said hey. I'm on the way to your shop. I need you to put arrest on a tune in for me. I said okay. So he he walks in with his cabela's back Impose out this Whisker biscuit and he goes What do you want. What are you gonna charge me to put this on paper to my bo. I said twenty five bucks. He said cool hands me the rest. So i'm putting on. I guess conscience start you know. Get into him. Why he while. I'm putting it on and he said He said well he said i would have bought that risk from you but had a had a sale in. There's where was ten dollars cheaper and saw. I bought it from them because i'm on a budget. About how much guests did he spend to coat. Also to louisville earlier. So i go. I look at him and i go. I said You didn't save any money. He's really mean it in. Save any money. I said well you drove thirty five minutes each way to buy that rest and so you you spent time and fuel on that rest. But i said we'll throw that out of the equation. I if you buy a rest for me pay per tune and put it on for free did did did his head kind of spinner. All you could use your to seeing it seeing the look on his face like he was bewildered. Like holy cow. That's sales and service with the product as the deal. You're like okay. You made a little margin on sell and him the rest that he now gave to cabela's and now it makes sense. You want me to work on your may to trim your horses fee. You want me to work on your change your tire on your car and you went somewhere else and bought the tires great. I'm going to charge you per hour rate to do it. You know and i go back to horseshoe into. I've had guys you know how much how much you charge me Force us on this horse. Hundred bucks or what disuse. One hundred twenty five k. What what and i was like. Well 'cause you're gonna go to tractor supply by the crappy issues out there. I special order mice us in and there are a lot less work on my end to make some fit versus what i'm going to have to deal with that you're gonna go down here and buy and so it's gonna wait a second so i if i hire you. You're going to supply the shoes for one hundred dollars. But if i supply this you could charge me one hundred twenty five well. That's not fair. how do i say you don't want me to put shoes. Audits hundred dollars. Yeah so yeah. I mean it. It's funny how people get stuff in their head on that they're going to save a dollar here there in the long run. They're not put back to your guy with this with his whisker biz drove a half hour each. We throw that out the window. I would have dubbed this for free. If you just showed up your body so you could save the gas and twenty five bucks and he was like are you serious and i said yeah i said can you ask. You wouldn't put this on for you. He said well they would but there was eighteen year. Old kid working there and Ask him about putting on tune it and he's like lying. Put it on. But i don't know how to tune it. And and so he. He was if he couldn't turn it himself. You know it was worthless For him to let them put it on so you know it was a lesson. Learned on his part in the lesson. Is i mean if you find a pro shop reputa- spend your morning guys. You know yeah it. It might cost you if you spend a lot of money on archery equipment. It might cost you extra hundred bucks a year. But here's the thing if you do that and all your buddies do that then that guys going to stay in business but what's that guy do for the local archery club. What's that guy for the local arteries and the and for the youth and when that kid comes in that has that broken thirty year. Old martin fan. I'm now that no parts exist. He might have a box of parts in the back or at least call another dealer and go. Hey i've gotta kill here. I'd say that obviously can't afford me to fix his bow. Can't afford the twenty five dollars. And i've had this experience. I walked in and the bow dealer. Didn't by the bow from him right. He wasn't making any money because we charge me but he fixed my bow tuned. It gave me a lesson. Sent me out the door for free at fourteen. I didn't realize that you value in it. Yeah i went back at nineteen and bottles and both from that guy like you know we could We could go back to the hundreds of guys right now. That are in kentucky. Were moved away from two years ago and still this day. I'm getting phone calls text messages and messages on social media. Where can i go. i don't know what to do. I've got this bowl. I'm having an issue. It's miles aren't flying right. i can't figure it out. You're not here anymore word. I go in his psych but across the nation. We're having the small. The smaller artery shops are just. They're losing yeah. They're folding up. In those are the people that are going to go out of their way To make sure that you have the best equipment in the equipment that you have is performing the best at it possibly can because their reputations at st kilda's bass pro shops i'm not heating confident matori and they have a great business model. There's a reason they ha. They are six if if they go in and they don't tune your bow or set it up properly for you then you can get mad at them. You can bash them on social media. They have enough backing and enough people. That are gonna come there and buy anyway. It's not gonna hurt their business one bit and if you were to look at their books archery is not no not a mike and mike and our biggest convenience for you know just and here's one last cabal story because i just close to me. In on march we shop a kabila's bass pro. Sports warehouse all the same thing. Yeah yeah he they own it all. It's a monopoly but The i had a guy call me. And i knew him really well. He called me and he wanted to buy bow and he wanted a cheaper Just a package bo. That wasn't my speciality. Because i couldn't on those package deals as a small artery shop i couldn't couldn't can be. You can call your rep and order the same pack but if you're not you don't have the buying power if you're not going to order three thousand we'll hacking bos you're only gonna order three or one. He's gonna different price. That wasn't what sold in my shop. You know my shop or so more higher end archery equipment at the cheaper stuff. Didn't sell that much for me and unless somebody came in just was on a budget that needed something cheap. And that's why you had one whisker biscuit on the shelf as hey if you need. One here is an You know i could. I could get those package deals. But i just didn't keep them and so i could You know one of the companies which Used to be paid but no longer. It's not pipes anymore They got bought out but they were in louisville but are dealer only deal. I could have one of those in three days so if you call me up you want cheaper package. I didn't have. I call them the. Hey this is what i need. They you've been out that day. One day shipping the third day. I have it and And so do as like dude. I get what you want. Just don't have it. I can have it three days. Okay let me think about it so again. It's almost closing I get a phone call. Hey i need some miles okay. It's like i'm guessing you bought a bow. And he's like yeah. Yeah yeah and i had money ma pocket. I had to go. I went up to bellas and bought his bow and gas. Set it up for me and everything but I didn't like the girls they had. I wanted to come barrels from you. I was like okay. Cool and arrows are not a big profit margin. I know he goes he goes. I know you close in an hour but I want to shoot this boat tonight. Yeah can can you. Just go ahead and cut them form. And i'll just i'll be there before you close in. Just pay for them. And as i do you even know how long they need to be. He's like yeah. Twenty nine inches i said. How do you know they're twenty nine inches. Because that's my drawings. I said tommy. You're four six. You're not twenty nine inches. And i've known this guy my entire life and We used to pick about pig at him about being a midget he really wasn't. He was just really short guy I said no. And he's like yeah. I threw it back the gac. Bella said it fit me just right. I said that's not right. Tommy your back behind his head and so we ended up setting his draw links at twenty six inches. How did i guess and and you know he's like well. Why wouldn't got seen that i because he doesn't know he was probably an eighteen year. Old kid he said yeah. He's pretty much a fifteen minute. It's like thirty. Forty five minute film on satnav ball and and they put them out there on the floor because they can pay that dude you know ten to twelve hour and he thinks he's doing something versus you take a guy that has the knowledge they're going to have to pay him twenty to twenty five bucks an hour to get him to do the same job so they can hire two guys for the price of one and in it never know like. I said that it's in and out arteries not their specialty and it's just a portion of the money that they make and they get people in and out of there so again that's just me kind of going on a rant about support your local archery shop I think that's something. Were lose these artery shops like you said and i think more people need to spend more time and money at the small mom and pop shops and yet you might have to pay five bucks more for arrest. You may have to pay five bucks more for site but when you're in that bind when you're leaving on your hunt and you draft fired your bow and you call that archery shop up that you're spending all your money in and say you know just throwing a name out there. Hey joe I draw my bowl. I gotta leave tomorrow. You know the you have a string. Now you're gonna close in thirty minutes can more than likely that guy's gonna say you bring your ball. I'll get it fixed. This episode of red cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures. i don't know about you but it's that time of year for me to start wanting to get the boat out and go catch some fish and there's no better way to do it the to pk dot com and pick up some of their fantastic bates. I know this spring and into the summer. I'm going to be using the new. Pk rattled bait comes in a couple of different sizes definitely. Check that out also be using the. Pk warbler the pk. Dakota disc and i'll be troll in those along to catch. 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We'll deal with it later and so you're not going to get that treatment it kabila's going to get that treatment at sports on warehouse you know. And that's part of what the industry needs to move towards his. You know the old snapper model. When i sold lawnmowers different light used to only be able to get a snapper lawnmower from a dealer who service the product right. Why because that service is worth something. Now we as the consumers need to start demanding that we get that level of service back and if everybody would go back to their small mama bop dealers yes. Obviously you're gonna pay it two dollars more for that dozen areas you're gonna pay you know. Instead of getting the premium flagship. Bo would have a ten percent off some time. you're gonna pay full price for that flagship. Oh but how. Do you put a price on friday night ten foreclosing. Hey i'm leaving tomorrow. Saturday my de loop just blew out of my bow right or my peeps rolling or whatever it might be. I'm leaving to go on a hunt and the guy goes well the normally close at six. I'll close the door. But i'll wait around for you for fifteen minutes right up there. Everybody else's gone. Most lights are off. He'll sell the door lock you walk in and he'll quick. Put your bill press and fix it. Send you out the as a small archery dealer. You know the gas that are spending the money in your shop. He nolan partially know my name. Because there's been in time in their in their spending money with you and my wife will tell you because trust me hi. It's ruined a lot of sunday afternoons me. Get a phone call. It's hunting season. Somebody dried their bow. They dropped it out of a stand. You know they. The wife slammed the door of the truck on on their arrows. The dog bit the string and something happen in a rush. It's now emergency. It's not your fault as the dealer. No but day on our opened up on. Because i was always open on saturdays from like nine to one and i've opened up on saturday afternoon. I even on sunday afternoon. Open up. cut a dozen for a guy or something. Because i knew that's a guy that he spends his money in my shop. He doesn't go to cabela's he if he doesn't matter what he needs. He's gonna come to me and been that money. And and like i said as a small article the you know those guys and you know the gazzar that are spending money with you and you're gonna take care of them and you're going to support the local boys and girls club local solly team in the and the local archery clubs. Oh yeah we me. And my wife. We did archery in schools program. What she's a schoolteacher and we did archery in schools program. You know we didn't make a dime off that But we did it. promoting sport. Oh yeah yeah we. We introduced a bunch of young kids to archery that Probably would have never picked up a bow. Any other way In a you know now. They haven't experience i mean. 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I mean if you've listened to any of these other podcasts. You know that's my thing. If i'm not fly fishing riding horses well i'm shooting a bow and just and it's just you know me i. I have that personality to like. I can't do anything halfway. you'll have to go all in You know. I got into competition archery for few years iraq before open ma ma bo shop and i mean we were gonna blazin. I mean i was. I was going to tournaments four nights a week. And you know just run anywhere. I could go shoot in a way. It's just have that that personality. That if i do something i have to do it all the way. And you know. I've done that with hunting in jc knob that bunch. It's just We're all in when it comes to whatever we're doing and You know always thank. My daddy said if you're going to do anything you might as well do it right. So that's what. That's what i've always tried to do with anything that i was doing And so now you know now even even so artery still a big big part of my life with this bow hunting. You know where filmon we just got on board with pse When the bose came in we're going to be putting out a series where asset up in tune that bulb from start to finish You know in nice just to give the guy that maybe he doesn't have an archery shop in his area you know. And he's thinking about well. I need to learn how to do it myself We're going to try to give him a video that he can go. Watch and We're going to break it up segments. So he can go back okay. I'm going to tell us de loop able to click on the one. That's detached the de loop in. I can watch it over. And over if i need to or go back and pause or whatever and one thing to caveat just just so people know you know before you run out and grab a ratchet strap and crank your bow close to pull your string off. You know you're gonna you're gonna void your warranty right. You need to have somebody that knows what they're doing or you need to go down the rabbit hole. You need to get a professional oppressed and and and look up your bow Because there are certain boasts that you can't press in certain practices Now when i had artery shop iran oppress. It was called an express pro John dudley used that press forever with in. He's still does use one of those presses but they don't make that press anymore and it's totally adjustable. It takes way longer to get it. Set up for your. When his totally adjustable the one with the four big wheels got four big wheels. He'll kinda makes an ex. You can adjust it in and out and it will do any bowl on the planet still this day. But everybody's going to the lancaster easy press Which is finger to else. It's super fast. Is super easy to use. Except certain bows are not designed to go in that press certain. Pse's Even some of the hoyt defiant series. You cannot press in that easy. Press without a special set of arms and it's like the defiant it takes a special set of arms that actually go over the top liam's and come down and hit the limbs about midway finland. How they're they're attached to the limb tips and if you if you press that crash that and you can be blowing up and i'm going to tell them myself here like the defiance because i still own a defiant and i will periodically throw it in that easy press just because my express is out in the building behind the house and if it's if there's two foot of snow on you know i'm not going i don't want to go out there and why do you have the rest because it works at all it takes and so i'll throw it in there but the warning is it will jump out of it. That's because of the it's the Angled limps and it'll jump out of that press and so you know. I advise anybody not to even if you know what you're doing. Don't press that bo in that easy press without the special olympics. So let's cool that you guys are going to put out and i think It's it's knowledge that you know it's only gonna make us better. Yeah right well in so in some of the small stuff like pay per tuning time everybody luna tiny de loop on you know you can break de loop in the field so you need to be able to do some stuff if you totally dumb to archery as far as your setup and you're traveling especially your you know i came from the east to the west. You know. now live here but you know. I was traveling. Twenty twenty two hours every year to go goa l. coney. If i didn't know how to work on my bowl if something happened i could've been in a bad way de loop break they'll see. I'm in a little different zone. As far as i have you know. Lance set my bow every year and one piece of advice. I'd give everybody that's gonna pro shop and that's where you should start before you even go down this rabbit hole of doing it yourself and if you're not close to shop yeah yeah check your video out start learning. There's a whole bunch of information out there. But go in april go and may say i need a new string. Don don't go. August got this is. This is a funny story that it never failed in seven years. I have an archery shop but everybody wants to last minute. Nobody you know you can guarantee across the united states. Most seasons opened in september. That's first or september fifteen and everybody's role in the door so if teeth ogg you can. You can bet that you guys. That are a little more serious busy july august. You can't breathe. And i always like the twenty ninth of august the twenty eighth of august. I was leaving. I was coming out. West to haunt so bo. Shabas sign august. Twenty eight twenty nine. we're close. we're we're closed until september twentieth. When i come back which allows goes are white to hunters so why tail honors and and you know that being said if if you're a true well hunter you should have your craft ready before september first on. That's what i was saying for me. 'cause i yes. I know enough to be dangerous. What i like to put all the Responsibility on my guy. My bow right so when i go out miss that elk because everybody blame it on well yes no. I'm being a little bit facetious. But siri in all seriousness. In may i. i don't want to be dealing with a. I wanna be shooting the arrow the site. The rest the string then. I'm going to hunt with right. But i don't wanna be here. Here's the one problem in. Why i wanna put a string on every spring is i want to have it. Relatively shot in. Yeah but not wore out for sees. Oh yeah and so that way you know that string out by november december. Just just a piece of advice for guys can you. I know there's probably a lot of guys that are either getting into archery are don't know a ton about our tree. That may be listening to podcasts. In the gaza. Do you already know this but With a bow string when you put a new one on it takes depending on material. I usually tell people. Because i do build custom bolstering during steel myself. I don't do it on a high on a big scale But i tell everybody. Put two hundred to two hundred fifty shots on that strain and bef- and then retuned that low to make sure that you had any stretching and sometimes even the best drinks out there you don't actually have stretching but the serving wires into the camp the cam group in so it'll settle in you'll get a little off time in it usually. It's one or two twist boom. You're right back on but and depending on your boat specific set us only gets cam. Lean out of that may get a lot of things so get that done early in the year and shoot it through the summertime. Get that strang shot in. If you're going to go with a new site going to go with the rest gonna go with a new shaft no eight or spine get that done and mass at work and if you wait even if you think okay. I'm getting ahead of the game. I'm gonna roll in mid-july right. That artery shop is already starting to get backed up. You're going to be two three weeks. That's why i said april. Yeah you'll be two three weeks if you if you get it done now. You're to three days a lot of times. You know if they don't have to order whatever rolling up and i might be the only guy in there if you wait till june. It's starting to fill up july out pretty well two week. Wait if you wait till august you may not get it done. No no. there's fifty people in the shop and for me. I'm a bow hunter. I don't like people. I'm sorry. I mean i know i have company about podcast. But i'm a fly fisherman attract above bow hunter. I wanna not see people. When when i had my shop i totally wish this one day that i'd had security cameras because i don't have i didn't have security cameras because it was at my house you know but just to see the looks on these dudes face because i left on the twenty eighth of august drive out here meet. Jc so we could go l. Cutting my wife would come in from work in. Open the shop up and she have the shop open from like five to eight in the evenings and she could sell you anything off the shelf. She was not privy to touch the ball. Press the bow press. There was a close on computer. She needed arrows cut. You could cut arrow. She gets squirrels flat aero she was amazing it that she could take care that you need a broad heads. Whatever something small lost my release. Anita release off the shelf. Whatever she could take care of you but some saturdays. You're gonna beaumont. Yeah so that saturday. After i laughed because i left that year the twenty eighth fell on thursday right and so i left in that saturday. A van pulled up she. She opened the hartridge shop up. Turn open sound on a van pulls in and she said six dudes got out with bows in their hands. She wanted to run over that sign of and they walked up the stairs and wanted all of them wanted new beau strings. They wanted new peep sights. And she's like sorry. Guys that saturday was opening day of whitetail season in kentucky. The first saturday in september said they pull their both out the night before and start shooting and go. Oh these are all wore out. We need to get fixed. We didn't touch since last night. Said they hadn't even shot their bo yet. And it's like you want this own now like be that guy don't oh i didn't drop my rifle out tag so i'm bottom bow last week and i'm going to go with my buddies advice is if you didn't draw your rifle tag and your buddies say come go. Bow hunt practice the next eleven months and go next. Yeah yeah it's not gonna turn out. And i was like we talked about before. dislike roger bold. It's a lot different in your backyard. You i might be able to come. I'm a backyard hero. Here man i can. I can whip about any book you can come and set you up with the both the first time and spend about an hour with you out there to range and i can hear you hitting a piper play consistently thirty yards but don't go hunting and thank. You are going to do that on a big white tail a elk mule deer. It's way different it it. It's not a little bit is is Yeah and you know. It's it's so hard to get people to understand that too and You know going back to the wounded animals. Saying we're we're always trying to to make bow hunting. Look better in the light. You know in granted. Thanks for happen. i don't care. I watched a video. I want to say last year i think it was from the year before but levi. Morgan undoubtedly the greatest archer. That's ever lived in our time. Right now One more three d world titles than anybody. He shot a elkana shoulder wounded. And i never found it. This is the do pretty much the greatest archer that's ever lived and so if if lee can make a mistake anybody can make a mistake and so if if you're a normal guy in your backyard pounding on your chest say how great you are and you never lost an animal and then you wanna get on facebook and social media and and row somebody because they put it out there that they lost one. You haven't bow hunted very long. Not not where. I belong know and and so it's going to happen. I mean you're the biggest thing. The biggest piece of. I'd have i stopping. That is a reduce your practice distance in half to your actual hunting districts right so if you've practiced at one hundred yards max is fifty. You've practiced only fifty yards. You're twenty five yards out in the real world and that will dramatically increase your harvest. Hey and then be you know practice drawing on a few animals in the real world in the situation that you know you're not gonna shoot on but you can go okay. Here's and you'll be surprised. How often i can make this. Fifty five yard shot you. Let down and look with your binoculars. Or how many times a low hanging branch between you and that that quote unquote slam dunk shot. So that's my license just trying. We've got video out there that we released last year. Ilk season is done. Really good is on youtube What's it called seventy two hours. And we kill three bulls and seventy two hours in two states. That's that's boho yup. That's that's hunting film. You know going back to that. So i'm i'm the first guy that killed on that film. I've got a bull coming in. And i can see him clear as day. And i'm i'm a little tree. I'm against and our buddy jason filming jaycees about fifty yards behind jays colin and i draw back in the bull comes into this opening while i'm looking through this opening what i'm not paying attention to is are as a little sapling ten feet in front of me and it's got a little branch out. Why cut that branch in half that shot. I mean just in the arrow goes you know just goes out into the of bless you know out there and So the bulldogs have a clue what happened. He runs out about twenty yards in stops and then he starts. Parallel is trying to get our wind. Because he's like okay. Something scared me. So i'm going you win and He walks through another opening and opinion william and he runs off. And i've run up and i seem he's getting ready to fall over. I'll go ahead and shoot him again. 'cause that's just they're moving on if they're on their feet shoot till they they fall and so i shot him getting he fell and anyway. We're hi five. And when that came out we had one dude that on youtube he commented why would you even shoot at an elkin. That dick brushed like why. Why would you do that. And it's like he's like. I think one of the part of it he said after that was I can only imagine how many how many folks this guy's wounded actually up to that point. I had never lost it. So you know which we didn't comment back. That's bow hunting on otherwise we did but we had a very good group of guys that we have no clue who they are but jumped on the bandwagon. They're like look. The camera was twenty feet behind him. You don't know what he was looking at. How who are you to judge this guy and and the other thing to remember everybody needs when you're looking through the site of your your eight inches higher than the era so your your line of sight his yacht actually the arrows plane but i wanna touch on one thing is Your is logo. Yes every that's bow hunting with. Tell everybody the story real quick. Well we we that huntings kinda make light of oh hunting. Everybody gets super serious about it. You know and our biggest thing is we try to show you everything we we show you our screw ups And so if you go look we have an apparel line and you can go to this. Bow hunting dot com. See the parallel on. And everything has whether it's an antelope your tree or flying over. You know we have to whitetail. He's got his head up like he's looking branch and there's all stuck in the ground below and that's both hunting because you always get those stories that's how it starts you get those stories you get group of guys sitting around one day's gonna take home. I gotta have the biggest. The biggest bully was four hundred inches. He come rushing through. And then you know my rest messed up in in amassed him and he got away you know the big one always gets away or whatever and and somebody who is going to go. Well that's bowling. Poland and i pulled back. It had a rip fail and not lift up. You can't shoot a drop if it doesn't boy and and and go back to that You know i went to limb driven system on rest and mainly because of of some failures. That i've had with companies. I'm gonna go by anybody companies because they they're all going to every everyone's gonna fail and even a whisker biscuit when it gets wore out your arab fall through so a lot of those especially the ones that lock up that are are cable driven not limb driven but cable. Go to your cable if they lock up a lot of them. You don't know that they're going to fail until after you shot. That arrow limb driven. Let's get fail before you shoot driven if it's down before you draw and it comes up when you draw is going to work and so that's where i went to live driven. We we uh real good relationship with trails in the years over. The years is an awesome man awesome rest. Yeah so anyway. We're getting a little long here. I know we get long winded. Well we're going to have to have you back it's awesome. Where can the guys go to check out all the stuff of everything. That's bow hunting. I'll where on youtube. Instagram and facebook. we were trying to push more people go to youtube In subscribe. because that's where we're putting all our content as far as our videos and stuff We post a lot of pictures and links to youtube on those other social media platforms. And then we've got That's bow hunting dot com where you can go see the parallel we were talking about. We've got hats. Shirts sweatshirts You know and it's all got to bow. Hunting logo is and It's it's if you've oh hundred very long. There's going to be a shirt hat or something one. Those logos is gonna hit home with the union. Like okay yeah i that. That's my shirt right there And we get that a lot when go shows and stuff guys walk in and see the mule deer with aragon over backer the antelope and they're like. Oh i gotta have that. Or i'm getting that from my buddy or joe or not a jew so well next time we'll have to have j. c. And you back on your welcome anytime. it's been a pleasure you know. I'm glad that you you've been here. I've enjoyed it man until next in

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #55: Fireside Fishing and Hunting Chat with Hall Stoddard

RADCast Outdoors

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #55: Fireside Fishing and Hunting Chat with Hall Stoddard

"This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards. Hello and welcome to another episode of rag cast outdoors. I'm patrick edwards. I'm david maryland right off the bat. We kinda got a disgust spending a development in patrick summer fishing seizing You had to bring it up. Didn't you like a band aid. Rip it off. Get it out of the way. Yeah so just some advice for all of you hardcore anglers who are out there. You probably don't wanna play basketball Basketball's a dangerous sport. I've learned this after having my nose broken ankle broken and now destroying my shoulder so Explain basketball this past week. Having a good time doing well went for a steel. Got tripped fell with my full weight on my left elbow dislocated my shoulder and tore a whole bunch of stuff in my once. Reconstructed shoulder which will probably be now a twice reconstructed shoulder but yeah. I'm kinda kinda bummed out. It's your left one so you know for us left-handed people it'd be a big deal but you'll survive. Yeah makes fishing a little bit harder. But it's it's gonna work out. And and david neil tell us a little bit about what you've been doing because you've been traveling still and sell them both spider so tell us just give us an update where you're at el nine thousand miles in a month on the old bo spider suburban if you haven't gone on social media and seen it yet We're doing a big giveaway. If you tag us in a picture so when it drives through your state and city which will be very soon. We're we're hitting the majority of the western states the rest of the month so and you have a film coming out soon and a big giveaway so just give us a sneak peek of what that's all about last fall we We had a harebrained idea to film one of our hans and we did so for the premiere of that. We're gonna have a huge giveaway and all next month which will be the month of july. You can sign up. There would be a link on our socials on the web page and we'll will throw in the show notes here as well. We're giving away three three prizes a grand prize a kind of a second third place prize at about ten thousand dollars worth a year from new cafaro backpack to new maven binoculars Para sheep feet outdoor edge both spider and then blue creek outdoors joe bartlett. He's been on here before you don't know who he is. Go back and listen to his episode. Blue creek outdoors joe bartlett. He is giving away. Two days of filming. That's a pretty big pi price package for. Sure it's going to be cool. And that's it's all in lieu of our kind of our premier for our sheep film launch. Which will be on youtube on the second. We'll do a little facebook live and publish that and we'll also publish the giveaway. And if this is your first time listening to the podcast what. He's talking about doll. She punt in alaska that he went on with his dad and had it filmed such pretty cool deal. And that's going to be out there on youtube. We'll have a link to it as soon as it goes up also on the rag cast outdoors dot com website as well as of course. Both spider dot com. So you can watch that. But it's pretty exciting stuff and and both both spider footed the bill for all of it. And it's been pretty cool if you haven't if this is your first Rod cast outdoors podcast. Go check out both spider. You'll you'll you'll quickly know what the fuss is all about yup and so today we're going gonna be kind of getting back to the heart of what we started this podcast to really do and kind of the feel and what we wanted to have and you know when david and i talked about this we wanted it to be kind of a campfire conversation hunting and fishing telling stories you know. Also you know sharing experiences and tips and tricks but Somebody really special to me is in the studio today and That's my wife's grandfather hall stoddard so hall. Welcome to the show. Thank you very much and so hall. He's he's done a lot of different things and fishing and hunting. And i remember when i met my wife we talked about. You know she said you gotta meet. My grandpa was like well. Why is that and she said well. I think that you both are both fish. Nuts which is true. And when i did meet him it was very true. He is totally efficient. Not so we enjoy going fishing together and sharing stories. We went to alaska together. It's been what seven years ago. Something like that and Just really enjoy spending time with them. So i thought it'd be fun to have him on the podcast so here. Yeah so we were talking about a little bit today but you know like i said you've traveled. You've done a lot of things and we were talking about you know ling cod fishing and some of the deep sea. Because you've done a lot more of that than i have. And so i wanted to ask you. You know what some of your favorite memories of doing the deep sea fishing. I think probably As kyle was my parents they were adver deep-sea fishermen also and so i grew up on the ocean. Southern california and the fish out there at that time when there was no slalom inserting it. Was you know you could get overboard with too many fish. You know really. When we went fishing normally our neighbors would hide because we always came back with. Would you like some fish. And it gets old after some time but no the saltwater is a good venue. You'd really isn't anywhere from you'll take all calico bass right up to. I've caught a couple of sorts or sailfish. I've got everything who. That's the only haven't caught out there that i really thought i would like to catch. But i don't think i will ever see that day now. So there's something mysterious about you know if you're if you're fishing a lake and inland body of water and we're not talking the great lakes we're talking wyoming lakes right where you pretty well could see the bank all the way around. There's something a little eerie about you. Know when when you launch out any one of those ocean ports and you just start steaming out. Now you're not in a little twenty foot aluminum skiff. You're in you're in a boat right here. You're in a ship more or less for the most part. But you know you get to where you can barely see land out there. It's been plenty of times when you can't see it at all. You just happen. I hope to know which direction to go to find something dry. You know at sometime or another. Yeah yeah well. I know like you're you're telling me a little bit about link cod fishing so tell me a little bit about that and some of the times you've gone out. We'll link cod or a pretty severe predator fish and through in a very rocky structure so it can be costly housing. Were just very easy to do. The langar are like a true predator. Fish in actually you can hook a small rock fish or something like that and the lingual understand that it's under duress and will then take it and you think all that little fish is just suddenly it's attitude has changed immensely and so you can piggyback back up as long as you don't break the surface of the water you normally then gaffe the laying and i've seen twelve fourteen inch fish. Come out of link when he hits the deck of a boat. I mean i've caught him up to thirty pounds and They don't really. They're not an aggressive fish to catch But they make up for it on the table. David you've had an experience with him too haven't ya. My one and only claim to hang on on laying and we did quite a few laying off the oregon coast. But i lived in alaska for a short stint and got to go do an overnight on an ocean boat where we stayed in Give it to you port graham. We we steamed out of home overnight. Import grandma and got to bag limits efficient than went back and we did a little bear hunting in the mornings and evenings as well. It's a pretty good mixed bag hunt. But i had a fish on. It just wasn't acting right in on it. Got a got most whip the boat and just reeling it in it. Just you know just was acting really weird. Well it was approximately twenty four. To thirty inch ling. That was hooked in the mouth on a you know a running about eight inch jig but he got a half hitch lassoed around because he was trying to run away from the other lane that was trying to eat him and no joke about six feet below. The surface of the water up on the front of this big cabin pusher boat diesel thirty six foot boat and allowing in the fifty five to sixty inch swam up swallowed. Half of my fish bit down. Blood went everywhere and he shook him for a second decided. He didn't like that and he left. And we're trying to get the gaff and that other lane still it. Was you know the fish. I caught had a had a mouse like a coffee. Can maybe right. The fish swim up and bit him. Had a mouth like a five gallon bucket. And that's no joke and they've got some serious bite strength. i mean they could mouthful couple as his long. No very serious. Yeah you're not gonna lip. One of those fish for further freshwater guys just think of a northern pike on steroids. Yeah with really strong jaws joe's but you did touch onto one thing that you know. They're they don't fight very hard. I mean they they have a little burst of fight and then they kinda used to head shake. And i think they're a speed fish right. They see that fish. Like you're talking about in distress. And the dr out the rocks and grab it. Yeah very predatory. They are ambushed. Yeah they really do Like i said they make up for any any other fallback sers make on the table so yeah i don't know you got any if you do due to the freedom i all fishes from last year on the bottom of the freezer and i'll tell you what that ocean fish you know. A lot of people wyoming aren't very exposed to seafood. You know and ocean fish. And it's just it's a different animal than your freshwater fish because it's just so dang good and a story i can tell about halls. We went to hawaii for a wedding and we went out on the ocean. We caught some muhima in yellowfin tuna and then we came back to this house that the family had rented you know so we had the whole house and a lot of people a lot of mouths to feed so hall and i start cooking and we we picked up the mahi mahi and put it on a platter and kind of set it to the side and started cooking tuna steaks that we're about three quarters of an inch thick something like that right and what happened all the muhima. He while we weren't looking it all went down. Did in fact i choose my wife letting people in off the street because there's no way that we could be feeding us many people man that might he might. He disappeared in about a nanosecond. I think that's awful. Good yeah my opinion is nothing because the ocean isn't good to eat. I mean it's from shellfish on. It's it's extraordinary and it's it's a good sport. What's your favorite out of the ocean. If you had to pick one. I know it's a tough tough question. But what would be your favorite. I think a big white sea bass is probably as good fish. I've ever caught in the lebron into thirty five to fifty pound class and exit fish to catch extra efficiently eve. They're really amazing. What would be your favorite patrick. I don't know man that muhima he had was pretty hard to beat Gosh i don't know kirsten. I when we went to costa rica. We caught some black and white tuna down there and those were really good too. So i don't know I think it's kind of depends on what you're looking for like a yellow. The tuna has a different texture. A little bit more like steak. And so if you're looking for that. I mean that's the go-to but Flavor wise man that my he might he just remember that. Just be an incredible and then of course fresh fresh cut. Anything out of the ocean is good. But i i don't know mahi he by you. It's tough to be buying me to tell you later. I'll give you a good recipe for tuna definitely. What's yours david. What's your favorite out of the ocean. Well i i'm not as culture to some of us around the table here but you know i do joke that i go to alaska for for the how it all the time. Just for the halibut. That's a tough one man to beat but in the wife does some home canned tuna and if you make a tuna sandwich with that fresh home canned tuna i mean i know a bunch of people are there. Eyebrows raised a wonder what we're not talking bumble bee tuna from this door here. We're talking you know. And she puts a little bit of garlic and some other stuff on top. And you know. I'll have to i. I'm thinking of prepared fish here at the moment but between either you know fried halibut cheeks or you know fresh tuna fish sandwich with now. You gotta have the cut up on unions and cut up pickles and mustard in the salt and pepper and mix at all in there on some nice toasted bread. I don't know it's a tossup. Will you consider the sockeye. Salmon actually Amazing fish. And they're probably the most flavorful of salmon spurs certain. But so there's a joke. There's a little alaskan boy and his mom's cooking dinner and he starts going around town. Everybody mom's cooking dinner. She says we're having king. I sure hope it's not salmon about my. I'd like a good smoked salmon every now and again but other than that. I'll go for the halibut. Yeah i'm with you. How alvis gets although when we went up there. You know that first day that we got into them and then we went back to back to the cabin. We grilled one fresh that we just got. I mean as little out a four pound hen sokha. Yeah out of the river and man that was pretty tough to beat when it was just alive and you cook it. I mean that's and that's good very good. So i did cook a chum in southeast alaska. I wouldn't recommend it. It's it's marginal at best dog salmon. There's a reason they have that nickname. The sakai you don't have the really red meat. And they are a really great canning in decent smoking. Just a great all around. The silver's are actually my favorite to catch and their fresh overs. Great on one fish that a lot of people even alaskans turn their nose up is paying the pinks but if you get one with lie still on it you know if you're fishing keanae and you get one that hasn't and they change color so rapidly and they start developing that big dorsal hump and and they start consuming our fat and they really quickly don't they. Don't keep well. They're not a great fish. But if you pull on the river like you guys talked about put it right on the fire especially if it's still somewhat silver and has some see lies on. It is pretty good but king is far as got the fatty. you know. it's just it's one of the best canning meets but as far as fresh cooking. It's hard to beat that sockeye. Coho is amazing. It really is and they're fun to catch. You know when you just lost their feet. All you're doing it flotsam. We've talked about it before. Oh yeah it's crazy that you know you hook into a forty fifty pound king and i mean you. You know you've done something but they just kind of go out to middle of the river and down to the bottom and sit there. You know those those six to eight pounds. Sakai's will break twenty pound test flop on top. They they fight and keanae runners usually pretty good sized run. Because i came out of there. One time with the four fillets six days. I'll take a six hundred agent. Who had twenty four pounds of me you. Can they get into some little big box or pushing over ten twelve. I don't they barely get up to the fourteen. But i've caught a lot at twelve pounds. That's a that's a fish when you catch a buck like that because those those sam are beautiful and they can pull. We introduced him to flushing. Oh man oh so much fun that was. That was one of those trips of my life. You know it was like finally doing. 'cause i've told this story before but being a young kid going to alaska seeing alaska but not being able to fish. It was hard you know. And then being able to go with hall and his two boys and man. We had time to fish. Yes we did. We all came back with seventy five pounds of fish. Just fish you know. And we went out officered and got the catch some halibut's and rock fish and even some pacific cod which was kind of fun. You know a little bit different Really some of those areas when you put your hook in water. You don't know what's going to come out. That's a fact. That's part of the fun and efficient in the ocean right. You don't know what you're going to pull it. Because i think you were telling me that when you were a kid you know you go off the coast there. You didn't know what you were going to get. No and if he got into you always got too many as i mean i can remember barracuda trips when before. There was a slot limit on the fish. And i've seen i've seen barracuda come out of the water and take an anchovy shoe thrown it hasn't even kicked the water yet come out and take it in the air and that's crazy you know. They'll do it but pacific. Barracuda are smaller. Because you get down there in the florida country you know you get the hundred pounders out on the west coast if you get them up to eight ten twelve pounds. That's a big barracuda. But they're still gonna eat. Those are so. I went to a trade show in florida this year and we took an extra day and went deep sea out there on florida and one thing i noticed it was crazy as you know having been alaska pacific northwest going to either portland under depot in other waters kinda gray green. I'd call it a mostly a you know a dark green. That water. they're off. Florida was just as blue is. I've ever seen the ocean and you can see forever down. I was crazy Yeah it's the pacific like murky mean it's green and murky and cold right now. That water down there in florida was warm and it was. It was just weird. I as a kid. We'd go swimming off the oregon coast and in august he. He didn't last very long out. Turn the water comes here. I have in february down in florida. Go water i'm mike. Does bathtub water guys. Yeah that's pretty cool that you got to do that. We didn't catch any fish. But i did get to see some flying fish And that's something i'd never in own. Okay people are that. But those little suckers the boat would scare them a couple times on. The boat was porpoise and over. A crest of a wave and fifteen or twenty of them would jump and swim jump and they locked those little wings. There's two three hundred yards and they go with the waves up and down. You know as a waiver rolling through they kind of like surf the weight just six twelve inches above and sometimes they only go thirty feet but a couple of times. They went four hundred yards and they're not a big fish. I mean you know twelve fourteen fish but they get their wings for about that much. Too and yeah. That was a neat experience. I'd never seen before the other one. That really is a little areas. We've seen orcas off the alaska coast and i mean right off the boat and they rolled up and looked at us and i looked at that. They said fish that we could eat you. I know they're not a fish they're mammals okay. They have a tail and teeth and they're in the water up with hall. We had a podcast right by the boat and boy. It's intimidating. His like whoa. That thing is enormous couple times. I've had wales do the detail where they haven't seen him breach but just the tail where they slurred diving. Yeah all do you remember that humpback breached by your boat and we're digging out there. That was an awakening who you're not looking for that that'll make you happy of that. Is that is the thing about. Yeah you don't know what you're going to get down in texas. You're a few years ago and and the camp we out fishing. I haven't spotted dolphin. And i asked this girl fishing with i said dolphin. Oh yeah that's henri or george or something. She's around all the time. I said you feed him and he says i beg your pardon i said you feed him. He'd system no. He's very talk about here. Wait a minute. We had a couple coupla scrap fish in the bottom of the boat. Because it up and i waved at fishing i slapped a water a couple of times and he came came right up the side of the boat a hill. The fish rollover side took it out of my hand. Go man says. Can you do that again. He he didn't want to be touched. The fish did likely be touched but he would scroll over a side. Rebound take that fish and this is kind to it. Why not so. He did it a couple of times about two or three days later. I mean the can't. Nfl comes up to me. He says did you go fishing with what's his face the other day feeding at dolphin. Yes he said that's all he wants to do now. He doesn't wanna fish. Dolphins are cool. Yeah yeah and it's it's kind of fun like seeing different kinds of porpoises right. Because i mean they're like up in alaska. You have those that are kind of like a you know what. I'm talking about david. Dark gray black kind of color. Then you've got all kinds of different varieties but man. They are so cool to watch. You know we when we are in costa rica. We're motoring out. We're looking for birds so we could find bait and We saw a bunch of birds off on the horizon and sure enough once we got up there. There were a whole bunch of these porpoises. These'll dolphins and i mean they were out there tearing it up and that was that was cool to watch because they work together and they and they're really until circle of fish and force him into a tight core and they'll go right through them. Yeah it was really fun to watch over hawaii sitting. We got into some porpoises that are these guys were black and white but when they came out of the water they were very era. Aerobatic I mean they were doing flips. They were coming up twelve fourteen feet out of the water and doing flips and back in having a fun. I mean they were just playing out there. I think the seaworld dolphins and like flipper. That was a bottlenose dolphin that that species the one. You're talking about alaska's the pacific white sided dolphin and they look kind of like a almost like a orca. Not not quite as dramatic black and white but they definitely have this white speckled stripe on them. The big dorsal has got food or more. Yeah crazy yeah and they. And they like to the pacific's. When the first trip i went to alaska. We took the alaska marine highway ferry. And we wrote that up to catch cannon then we gotta floatplane out to our fishing cabin. We rented and fished and i remember. 'cause it's a three or four day ferry people were duct taping tents off the back. Can we disliked rolled a cot out old mattress out on the front. You can rent a cabin but we just slept on the deck upfront. And every once in a while go up front look and the adults to be playing in the wake of the boat which is neat to see. Oh yeah they're really cool animal but yeah it's it was kind of cool in costa rica watching them work together and kind of drive in the bait into a ball and then of course the birds take advantage of that point and they come barrel analysis guide. Picking off fish out of water is it was neat. It's just amazing like you talked about. The ocean will bit earlier right. How it's just different here. You get out there. There's so much out there that you don't know and there's different sounds different and you put your hook down and you might be catching on one pound fish and you might be catching three hundred pound fish. I was out of brokers two years ago we'd been fishing for bottom fish. You know just maybe five pound fish. All sudden my takes off for alaska. We're not really equipped for this. And so through the air on it. And i had no control over this fishing. Skipper the book. what are you doing. don't ask me but there's something out there. It's very mad at me right in. He had everybody really in and he says we'll chase whether it was turned out to be a thresher shark. that's the one is the big sweeping tail and we got us in the surface twice and sought you foot long so they figured a way up in over one hundred pounds. They really wanted to get it but he took a dive once in of course we're using braided line per line and cut the line teeth. Cut it on tooth. And whatever. But boy i had fun for a while. That's cool second sharks out there to get that huge long tail very long. They're supposed to be very edible fat. I want i mean the guy on the boats that well you got to share if we landed we share it with everybody. So i don't care he also then i got on internet and looked up recipes for thresher and i remember on free fishing day the We went on a deep sea as there's free fishing weakened in oregon where you don't have to have a fishing license or tag or anything and it's just a you know do recruitment for the sport of fishing. We went deep sea fishing for the weekend. And i was dating my wife at the time and my father went and my sister went and i went. And when you're in the ocean you you just let it right down the rail and just drop it and get down to the bottom of quickies. You can't when my wife had gotten bored so she started casting that out there. She caught about twenty five thirty pounds. Salmon maybe it hit the water and maybe fell ten eight feet you know and she landed on that bottom jig and we got a picture of a a link in a a sea bass and salmon net. Yeah that's pretty cool. I know when we were in alaska. I kinda got bored with iraq. Fish there for a little bit and we could see on the sonar that there were salmon crews in the middle of the water column. And so the the captain was like. Why don't you real up. Y'all see if you can catch one of those and we've got a couple really nice silvers. I mean those are fun. I like those silvers to to be effective. You troll troll a herring in that water column with down riggers right and get it right in their face and i can't quite remember the speed but relatively slow not half a not but not you know three about about a mile mile half and that's that's a very effective way but in my mind it's kinda boring right because of the fish pops off the down warriors already hooked and you just kinda it in in the fight but in a while you're fishing you're just standing there waiting for a rod to pop off down regular you get on the keanae you start. I like to throw either eggs or a spinner and sometimes even flies like purple egg sucking leech silvers will pound that fly and they come out of the water usually twice hand to hand combat man. I hooked foul hooked silver about seward one time probably fifteen sixteen pounds good silver but i had it in detail. It's kinda hard to bring him in the wrong way in right. I thought we'd ever get that fishy. Refund finally got it in all sorts of taylor. No big deal. You know let it go. But i'll tell you what the handful really was. I've seen some sockeye come in the wrong way and just eat people's lunch they just because they get them right up to the shore. They're trying to reach down there. And that just goes to hyper tale. It just gives them a bath right there and right then. I caught a nice book when we went out a real nice one and it had three or four hooks and it's jewelry. Yeah and i mean that and it was a bigger one. You remember good one. It was like well. I see why they got broke off. I mean i can't even imagine trying to land to sakai hooked in the back. I mean they are just so powerful and there's not a large salmon. they don't get alleged. They're charged with their charged with electricity. I've noticed thirteen pound. Sock is a big. Oh yeah yeah. I've noticed leader length really plays into you know. Catch if you're if you're much under twelve inch leader when you're flaw sing. It just doesn't give you a very wide swath of water column to tax hooker fish but you get much over the thirty inch kenneth leader number you get into that fifty sixty inch leader and you get more snags. Because you're you know those fish swimming up in a pretty tight school and the first fishing. You got like three abreast. Basically the first fish is tug on the wait with his mouth and he's actually foul hook in the the fish. Where the hooks so you kinda you gotta play around with that leader length. A little bit and figure out what's working for you and your speed of of the keanae jerk develop a feel for takes about a day. Dentists are sinking just like fishing. Like when you're a big fisherman you gotta get the feel down. I mean it's just any kind of fishing right. I mean each technique. Yep there's techniques to each individual fish really when you can right down to it. I can remember Steelhead on the south side. Em and we're just just a dead drift and a corky with little bit eggs right and basically when the steelhead picks it up. We're floating in the river with with the water with the current and you just cast out near your now floating with your eggs will when it stops. It's either hung up on the bottom rung up on a fish doesn't matter you set the hook. I remember i went with this guy. I worked with in new in college and we took one of the other guys we worked with and we each put six fish in the boat know. Don't catch and release and he he'd gone with us two or three weekends in a row and could not hook and could not land a fish and if there's three guys standing in a boat and two of each got six in all the third ones doing something mean same. Same tackle. Same day same water. There's there's something going on right fisher on the wrong side of the boat. So we're all standing on the same side of the boat or he's holding his mouth. Round say had a banana. This is true so what what. Where does this come from for people who don't understand because you'll get kicked off an ocean bone go and vote. If you show up for the banana. I don't know where it came from but it's a bad luck. Well what what. i think. There's actually some scientific evidence to this because seriously if you take a banana and put it in your lunchbox with your on a little. Debbie chocolate chip. Cookie will go to eat that little. Debbie chuck chip. Cookie takes like dang banana. And then if you leave that banana in there over the weekend. Everything smells and tastes like banana. So yeah good old bananas. Don't bring him on my boat on. I'll admit i've taken him fishing and done just fine but yeah there is something to that david. I don't know what it is about bananas. But they tend to they mess with everything like if you if you have an lunchbox. You're dead on also. When i was younger. I smoked. And i also i got to thinking you know when i'm putting live bait on a hook you know you have. The nicotine is in your system. There's oftentimes i've thought that the nicotine was at first to a fish. They didn't like that. So i can. I can't speak scientifically of that observation. But i can you know substantiate that when we went king salmon fishing here a couple years ago on the keanae the junkiest boat out there in the in the water column with fifty other boats and we outfit every other boat. That was out there that day. But i had brand new fresh sakai eggs that i had prepared with gloves on. You know set amount iraq cured him put them in the gallon bag and then when we bathe it up. I wore gloves as well. So there's no human scent on those eggs. And i think people buy the store bait. That's bolden rotten and a betas important especially for charlton salmon. Because they do have such a good census statistics so they're they're critical without. I mean i. I believe that for sure and i did it. A really loose cure on those eggs. So they're really milky. They didn't last very long right. They were fell off pretty quick. You know maybe ten fifteen minutes efficient would real up and in off your fushan for silver's you want about a twenty five cent piece gabow eggs. When you're when you're hitting those king salmon you go for fifty cents piece. You know a good good gob eggs. Yeah it makes a difference. I think human human scent is really adversely affects a lot of fish more than just necessarily salmon trout. I i thought it was really hurts. Trough pushing these their sense of smell so much. I think we don't quite understand it as much as we probably should as fishermen but i think there's something to like a people ask me. Why aren't you. You know putting your hands in the bug sprayer. You know sunscreen. Things like that when i'm fishing. Well it's for that very reason. I mean they can. They can smell taste that too. I mean another starting factor. That is a blind trout. We'll fish right will bake right along with the ones. I can see you find trout. That are black. Their is go white for california fishing. Game and hatchery central california. We have some that would go like that and they live just as well right with the other dishes as not so. There's century reception there that they don't need eyesight. Think it's yeah. I mean that lateral line. They can feel vibration through the water. Feel stuff that's coming or you know since things that are around them and then like you said that smell. I mean they can tell real quick. What's what's something to eat and what's not so. That makes a big difference. So tell me in that job. What was one of the more fun things that you were able to do. Or some of the fun memories. you have the one. That was fun. I can't talk about but I like to go out when we were. We used to air plant fry. Oh cool in some of the lakes up there in central california and we go out actually in boats and be on the on the water when the plane came by and our job was to keep the anything any birds off fry until they went down deep enough to get off the and be a little disoriented after they get dropped out of an airplane into the lake and they just can't soomro surface for a while so we'd go out there and run around and scare off birds and whatever we could get out there until they finally would go down into the water but that was that was pretty cool because they're easy pickings do seghal until they get their butts down deep into the water. That's our main problem seagulls. So we're they doing it like just a low flyover with an airplane. Just open the hats up. Let him go back in a lot of like do out of a truck. All kinds water and fish like because i know they. Did they do that here. In wyoming for golden trout and stuff like that was horse. Pack to start with. Yeah can the old days. Yeah for sure but is that what they just kind of. Do this kind of take the airplane in low and sherpa and low because you know the less distance they have to follow the less impact is of course a lot of water comes out with and so it's the water. This wasn't breaks the surface tension of the water into. Because you know well as i do the waters hard break attention to water surface tension. Then the fish can enter the water and not to get too much damage to goes some. You can't help you know it's interesting to me. Just because like i mean there's there's a whole lot of stocking the happens still via aircraft. I mean there's a lot of places in wyoming to your point david unless you're going to strap them on your back and hustle them in there. You're not going to be able to get them in there. Because there's no roads or anything like that. So i know. Golden trout is a big game and fish stocks. That way cutthroat trout things like that. What were you guys. Stocking rainbows exclusively. We had one hybrid. I don't remember now what we called it. It was group quite quickly fast growing fish so on the south san. Am in oregon. There is a A hatchery ron steel. Hit and they cut that out adipose fin off side while they do this horrible thing to those steelhead is. They recycle them. This is what they call it so they have a trap right at the base of the dam in the fish ladder. That goes up. They just you know about a third of the way up the fish ladder they have this holding pen and those fisher released right there at the bottom of the dam back spawn. Well they take some of the bigger hands and box and put them in their spawning program. And i got to help volunteer as a kid with the local northwest. Steel headers association. I got help do that spawning. So we'd get in our chest waiters and go in there and we'd have to take an iodine bath so that we weren't bringing foreign bacteria and stuff and we'd get to milk the the bucks in the hens and i had a i had a net and we'd two guys that go walking down the sixty foot long three foot eight foot wide holding panin catch a couple and bring them up in the biologist as air overseeing all of it but the ones that once they had enough fish for their. You know hatching program. They would recycle all the other fish and so they drive about twenty miles back down the river and have this sixteen inch pipe. They back to truck up and throw throw the steelhead back in there. Like could we just put a net right at the bottom of that. Catch one of those. Because i'm tired of tryin averages forty hours for a steelhead in oregon. It's a it's a tough fish to look it. Up at idaho a couple of times for steelhead up there on the salmon river the clearwater up out of a big dam up there in residential and they were they do a lot of clipping of steelhead. Between the reason they do this. Just be able to tell the difference. Between the hatchery. Fish in the while. Because you can't keep the wild so you so they take those those fish smolt and they run them through an actual no no at this place. There's about a half a dozen lady sitting up there with clippers. i i would. I wouldn't like this but they did then. Just clip them with scissors or clippers. Not quite nail clippers but it was similar and they pick it up and pop it off through walk and the reason they do. That is to differentiate between the wild natural. And most of those places you can't keep or they have a slot limit or a certain season on those wild. Yeah i caught some nice fish after they bomber fish in drift. Yeah what the bobbers up you have. Some of your allow. We re flies fis leader about three foot front or your weight that yet. You're bobber this set at the well. This run ten foot diesel. You said it about nine and a half feet in lecture bobber until you. I've caught it's crazy but It works. I want to get up there and do that. Too big rainbow. They just goes. The older i know goes back. Gives them that electricity charge stronger. Saltwater does yeah. There's something about that saltwater. Fish a lot stronger but you were telling me some stories to earlier. You know we've got a lot of people in wyoming that. Listen you're talking about fishing for trout streams and different things like that so tell me some of your most memorable trout fishing stories from wyoming or in the area anyway. Well most of my trousers should before i ever cared well. California right did a lot of fishing there. And at the time. When i was fishing i thought i was pretty good. Spin fisherman new. And that's all. I i know bait no flies. I'm dyslexic when it comes to fly-fishing so i don't wish left right and i can't wife working in the denver area but i run That i always went to from denver to craig over highway forty lot of good water in that country. When you get up around steamboat springs and beautiful fish. Yeah there's a lot of big ones. I know david he'd likes to go. Hit the fly fishing part of it up a lot more than i do. But that's the adhd coming out. In me and i can. We're okay if we go spinner efficient patrick or river fishing but but and barbara fishing's okay like we're talking about here moment ago for steelhead if we're drifting through but that hey let's toss the bait out and set the rod and just walk away from it whether it's in a boat or on a bank at don't sign me up. Don't take me you're not gonna have fun too hard. It's a successful way for a lot of people to fix though. I'm not denying that this is boring. Test my patients too much. We find the tolerance of david's patients. Like my wife says it's like watching grass grow. You know so yeah yeah for some species like catfish. Sometimes the best way to go sometimes even trout. You know like power bid on the bottom or something like it's pretty good but yeah i would much rather be casting and retrieving something movie. Yeah salon get tired of sitting waiting for something to happen right Yeah it's i dunno. Fishing is a lot more fun when you're more active and engaged in it. But i i don't know but i did want you to share a recipe because you shared it today with our our friend rick and he had never heard before and we'll talk about high mountain seasonings as well real quick but You know high mountain seasonings is one of our podcast sponsors. They're a great friend of the show. And you know they really help us out a lot Hans and the crew over there. If you haven't checked out high mountain seasonings you need to do that was about two weeks ago. I had some family in town halls granddaughters jessica. She came up with her kids. And we picked up some walleye and we used a couple the different seasonings with some butter. Try the by you bass we did. We did buy you ask. And then i also i was like you know what i'm going to try it. But they have like a western trout style. Seizing put some of that on the wall. I two it was really you know we just pan seared it and some butter and had fish tacos with a little bit of coleslaw man. That was pretty pretty darn good so the cool thing with high mountain seasonings is whether you got fisher foul whether you got beef or el camino venison whether you're doing your own pork. It doesn't really matter what the protein sources they have a seasoning to complement. Yeah in fact. I fed hall some of it last night. We i was kinda looking at my scene. Goes why do you have this hickory. Burger that you're putting on some of these pork chops but it turned out really good. You know we had gives a little bit of that hickory flavor and then i also use some of their garlic pepper rub you know on there but i mean yeah like to david's point it doesn't really matter what your cooking it's really good stuff so go to high mountain jerky dot com. It's a jerky dot com. But yet you were sharing a recipe with basically the whole cavity the whole body of trout once you catch drought. Yeah big trout. You take the head take outs out. Then what you feel you feel the body cavity with obedience. Salsa throw a couple of bay leaves on the outside. Wrap it in aluminum foil and put on the high side here grill. You'll get about three fifty to four hundred degrees. Let's sit here for about half an hour. You unwrap it. All skin comes off and you leave and foil. You grab the tailbone with a pair of pliers start shaking and all of meat falls off pretty soon you just take carcass and drop it off. You got as a pile of meat. Nice salsa in it. I'm liking this now. We gotta go catch someone. try that right. As as an ocean fishing guy or a steelhead guy. Right bones are pretty. They're not an issue when you're cooking. Twenty pounds steelhead right when you're cooking a an eight inch. Trout owns her an issue. I don't like bones fish bones either. Yeah no that's a great way to do it and you know. I think it's kind of fun to share recipes. You know. and and telstar yeah. Let's do it tuna. We we go on the west coast we go for albacore and we'll take a stake not really a stake of flay and you pre cook some bacon to where it is cooked but it is still flexible. I'm liking the sound of all of this then you wrap it around the vacant around the fillet pendant with a couple of three to fix. Put her on the grill and cook your tuna not too long to take a lot of time. Bacon will cook at the same time. you are. Okay trout trout the first course second patrick. Yeah we're gonna have to go. Do that sounds really good. Go one more. Throw it in there. We're we're doing take a sweet chili sauce and based the fish with sweet chili sauce. As you're growing slowly. I like julia so that sounds good to me. Sweet sweet chili sauce. If i know what you're talking malcolm. Yeah it goes. Well i bet it does. There's not much that doesn't go well with fresh butter but Yeah one of the big things that we like to talk about on this show is getting family involved and and i know you have. I mean i went on one of the family trips with ya. You know doing some fishing with your boys and It's it's important to a lot of people you know getting their kids involved and and i always like to hear what what are some pearls of wisdom on how to get your kids out and get them involved in the outdoors. What kind of advice do you have. An example to show some results and them interested. Once you get him interested then the rest of it should be or could be relatively easy as taking them further. You gotta you have to set an example really. That's the key to where they they can see that you're getting something for what you're doing and you know if your relationship is away a chevy with your children you would hope that they would follow somewhat your footsteps so to speak So just get. I go up and i i would take. I've taken all the girls out. I've taken the boys out so not always successful. I mean what are the daughters would never go hunting with me or get two of them one. You know tony liked to fish The boys i don't know they just never hooked onto hunting. They hooked onto fishing but never hooked on. That's interesting my dad is then patrick. Not he's. he's a fisherman. And you notice in the podcast studio here where we're lacking a few fish on the wall and my brothers very much his homes in the same way as much as we like to fish and we will go but if it's hunting or fishing this weekend we're we're we're going to go hunting but your to your point earlier about the the guy that likes to sit there and feed the dolphin. I guess i could care less if i catch another trout or not as long as live. It's it's fun. i like to eat them right. But taking my boys and we went and let me let me caveat. I could care less if i catch another fish. Power bait as long as i live. It doesn't excite me but we went out here to one local lakes couple months ago and the two year old out fished the eight year old eight-year-old codification was excited and we had to go three different evenings to get him as fish and he really data want to catch a fish and let's go so we we got him a poll on the tackle box and some power bait and we put some hours in it to get it done but the little tyke on the little ice fishing a little blue disney poll cutthroat three trout. And i had more fun watching those trout. Eat his lunch and then it got on the he was all right with the fish as long as it in the water once it started flopping on the bank. He he's a little come apart. This is not okay. Dad so i felt like i was a little kid and i can watch kids. Catch fish on power bait forever. I'll go sign me up. It was great. I remember i Youngest son one of the first time we came out fishing and he was walking across this with a creek and he had his poll in. It had a long run but he wasn't paying attention. And the lure was touching the top of the water as he walked and the dumbest brown had to be in the northern united states. Hit that lower right. You'll like his knees and he was the most excited kid you ever saw in your life and he. He's likes to fish both of your boys. We had a lot of fun up in alaska. I know stephen. And i we we really hit it off and you know. Spent some extra time fishing to one day. We went out on out of seward. We got up really early caught. The charter went fishing. Came back and so we're sitting there and sold out and hall and scott. We're tired so they. They went and they hit the sack and stephen. I looked each other. We're like you know. I think we can go some more and we fish till eleven thirty or so at night and it was. It was still light out and it was really cool hall because i got this nice buck. I caught news. Probably about eight pounds and ray behind me. I've got a picture. There's a a rainbow across the river. I'm holding that fish and that was pretty cool. We had a. We had a heckling time doing that. Those boys really do love fishing. I think the funniest part about that whole trip was i- foul hooked a scoping about three inches. Long i've got a picture of it. And i'm saying you know i didn't spend five thousand dollars. We got up there. He's not kidding either. I mean it was a dinky little fish that long hooked yep but added quarterback but hey we caught a lot of fish legit and had a lot of fun so good good trip but yeah. It's kind of fun. You know just reminiscing about different trips in different things. I remember on that trip. Just being you know kind of an on everything and There is something magical about keanae. Revert alaska alaska's just such a. I don't know it's one of those places that just has a special place in your heart once you've been there. I mean it calls back to you like come back persona back at heartbeat. I'm not gonna pull an rv up there. Of course you're correct you. You won't get my wife to go back in a heartbeat. But she she'd go for the summer but you won't get her up there another winner. It's definitely a summer. The last two weeks in july we will sockeye and that's a good time to be well the the problem with that. Is you fight winner for nine and a half or ten months and then all these terrorists show up and ruined your nice little remote alaskan town that i mean you can pull up to that four way. Stop there on the key. Nice birdsall donna. Any any month. Outside of june and july. And there's one car at it. You pull up there in june and there's three hundred cars each direction and it it. It definitely ruins the town if you're a local now i'm going to be a tourist and ruined the town for the locals. I'm okay with it. Yeah we feel that way here in wyoming to. It's like you know i grew up in. Cheyenne cheyenne frontier days. And all of a sudden the town of sixty thousand becomes the town of a couple of hundred thousand all the people and it gets gets a little crazy and a little tasting. I gotta giggle. Just it's just shown a couple of days ago. We're pulling in in the bow spider suburban field coming home from one of our trips. It was the south dakota one and there was this. A brand new mercedes sprinter all decked out new york plates and the guy gets out and he's got his flip flops on his filling her up and said you headed to the park he goes. Yep i said okay just don't pet the bison police yeah. I understand that you've had a bad thing. They have people occasionally say. Why don't we put the animals up for the night or why aren't we doing a better job of containing them or caging them. And there's people legitimately don't understand that's just bra wild wilderness. That's not that's not disneyworld. Yeah it's it's more like jurassic park you up a few years ago and a one bull bison down all by himself head down you know. He didn't even look healthy. And this guy walked up and put his hand over the hump and see his wife take picture throwing thoroughly teachable less this year. It's not a petting zoo. That's that's for sure. And i think people forget about that you know. We're we're all real familiar with wyoming and we know what that wildlife can do but and some of these folks they don't have a clue. Wanna bison canoe or a grizzly bear. Grizzly bears look really cute and cuddly until their barrel down on yet about thirty miles. An hour well you know dear attracted says do not apply to human being. And there's this old old vhs videotape the guy in in basically world war two military fatigue gambles he goes out and this dough. Whitetail deer you know. He's wearing deer p. And she comes out and she's i don't know who's film but she's reared up and i mean she's actively beaten him and he he's hitting his lunch eaten by this. You know ninety pound dough whitetail deer you know you get to a two thousand pound bison and look what they can. What cape buffalo. Due to african lions cape buffalo art quite as they're a little more aggressive than the north american bison but they're not as powerful north american bison have more. They've got all those front horsepower. Oh by center. I would not want to tell with one. Yeah and i mean you talked about the cape buffalo. You've seen those videos of them. Pitching lions into trees their horns. I mean. they're credible that that is on my list here very quickly. I've actually reached out to a ph and we will film it. But i want to go kill a cape buffalo with a bow and arrow go. That'll be an adrenaline rush for you. The hair standing up from my aunt right now thinking about it. Yeah there's there's yeah there's a couple of animals in africa that scare me more than anything and one is the hippopotamus. That's at the top of my list and not far from that is the is the cape buffalo. Because i mean there. There's something else i'm not saying. I wouldn't hana hippo. Just doesn't entice me. They're they're cool creature saying they're dangerous forty miles an hour on dry. They look because i went underwater. They kind of look like a big. I don't know mandy right. I think of mandy to slow sluggish. All those hippos get out of the water. Just come out of the water in a hurry even water. They're not they're not slow. I just watch the video them late. A crocodile just absolutely chase down bite. It pull it out of the water and just they got after it. You think about their mouth. It's about as big as you can get did see one hippo. Trion challenge elephant elephant. Wanted to go through the little hippo pool to the other side and elephant just kinda hooked him and pushed him of the way and the hippo finally said okay elephant and those african elephants or something else safari talked to the p. It'll probably be twenty tony too. I mean we gotta get over this travel restrictions stuff but yeah it's a it's not cheap. I was a little taken back. But i went. My wife and i went in two thousand thirteen and we did planes game. And she got zebra got the coup. We got some more at hogan. I didn't get the apollo. That's still on the list. Those are cool but and leopards just too much money. I have no desire for lion that just i'm not opposed to it. Have no the management sound. Everything's fine. I just don't feel like spending fifty thousand dollars to shoot cat but i said The the the ones that really come mind top is a cape buffalo with a bow crock. But i probably just going to chicken out neither rifle because i. I don't want to send somebody out the water to recover my crock that i made a poor shot on with my bow leopard. Impala those four are pretty high up on the list though cheetah no cheetah no elephant Draft doesn't entice me there as i think they're neat. I took some pictures. I have no problem with someone shooting one eating any of it just for me. I want a big old. Doug a boy cape buffalo just a bruiser and yes. I want sneak into about sixty yards and we'll see what happens if i survive or not behind you the four sixty or something like that is your backup. Yeah the that took us thirteen. I reached out to his brother. Actually because unfortunately the took us a pass away due to diabetes complications but I reached out to his brother. And kind of as a little bit of a memorial and said hey. What what we charge. I want to do this. I want to do it. I don't want to do it on a ranch. I wanted to go out in the savannah. We'll hike around until we find one. That's that's on the list but it'll be fun we have to get a. We'll get those in in this room. But patrick and i have talked about it. We gotta get a king salmon on the wall in here. There's there might be room for a small sailfish not a big one. So we're going to get a few fish in the podcast fish. One one cast really massive monster lung. Let's let's hear this trolling and hit one of the lures. The crew went to bring in all the other lines that were out. We had like four or five lines and we'll if forgot one and in the time i mean landing mine trying to it intermissions with the other line still in the water and then another sailfish hit so now. I'm tied into two lines with two sailfish and we landed both same time. He's going like this. And i said i'm sorry. And when we got to the dock he runs up to the dock bathroom. He says he caught two at the same time. Saying how can you do that. It's easy they screw up your screw up. Yeah no i definitely you know. I'd rather be lucky than good hall. The playing golf rather be lucky than good. So what's the craziest thing you've ever seen while you've been out fishing. We're on a boat over catalina. Island and i was sitting up on the Upper flying bridge with the skip of the boat. And he says this is what you can says. Oh look over there. And i saw this whale underneath vote. It went underneath the boat. And everybody either snagged probably snake. So everybody's on this side of the bolter rajagopalan like this. This other guys are watching her line disappears. Poor whale had some jewelry was wearing a lotta jewelry. The whole boat is when likeness a couple times until he got the cleared. Everybody's lines snapped them off after often. Way what you're not real in that foul hooked whale. No that's for sure known only because he saw it coming. That's what he said because he was right under the book. One thing you don't want to hear your captain say oh that's a bad sign. I think i annoyed the captain. One time keanae. S maybe fifteen sixteen and now. The water was green and nasty enough up on the window that he sent me up on the flying bridge and we put me in one of those gumby suits are in survival suit and and when dad tells the story differently and yes. The captain sat there and watch. But i had control the throttle and got the throttle or up the ways and throttle back down and i mean up there. I could see the wind and rain and my face but i had more fun driving the dang boat than i did catching fish on that trip. That would be fun. I know my son. Benjamin loves driving the boat a lot more than likes fishing. But that's just that's his personality loved dr stuff. So he's a handful. That's a drive. That means drive. is paris a little longer. I was driving a captain twice at. Hey let's put you there. I'm sure he could have seen just fine to try the boat so we need to talk about another one of our sponsors before we finish the by gas. 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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #64: Mountain Goat Hunting in Northern Idaho with Seth Ewing

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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #64: Mountain Goat Hunting in Northern Idaho with Seth Ewing

"This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on butting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards. Hello and welcome everybody. It's good to be back in the studio again. You know it's fall time patrick's out chasing fish. David jason elk. I think we've been successful at both of those marginally march. There's always more to be done but we are. We are actually in the studio together for for once like this last whole three months. It's been it's been insane insane but freezers are starting to get a little bit full Weather's changing it's getting cool. i so if you haven't listened to like the last. I don't know tnt episodes and got the motivation to go outside and go catch some fisher or hunts melker do some hiking. We'll go listen to those episodes. Yeah or we got more work to do. I'm not sure which but we'll get you convinced one way or another well Pretty excited we have a guest back in the studio seth. Welcome back again. We're glad you're here when we're excited to pick your brains more about fun and pleasant misery so the last episode. Seth was here and if you haven't had a chance to go. Let's no that one. I would recommend starting there and then coming back to this one. But you know if you're feeling a little a little bit dangerous go ahead and start here. And then go back. And seth so seth ewing. He's from idaho. And i've been buddies for thirty two years and he came down to wyoming because he wanted to get some fishing and some buddy time which was nice and We caught lots of fish. And and now we're we're hanging out doing some podcasting. But what a lot of people don't know about seth is. He's pretty much been the outdoors life than doing stuff. Like fishing hunting backpacking doing adventure races. Even all kinds of crazy things but Today we wanted to talk a little bit about mountain goat hunting something. I haven't got the opportunity. Because i can't get the tags so fishing game. If you're listening. David merrill would really like a mountain goat tech brother out right. How many people are going to cry foul after you have all those all those guys on the podcast and then you draw that man. Yeah that will interest. I have lots of years of not getting the tags. So you know corruption here honestly well it is kinda funny you know how they were trying to get them. Out of the teton range. Like let me shoot one. Let me ride. And my team didn't even get picked for that so i apparently i'm not qualified enough. Yeah well you'll get there eventually so Yes that's a you got to go on a hunt wasn't your tag that you were on the hunt so tell us about where it was and kinda kinda the back story of the hunt. Yeah so i have a. I have an insanely lucky. Buddy is what really amounts to one of those. It's actually kind of frustrating. Sometimes but yeah so. I'm his friend that packs out his meet. The type of guy goes out one day and shoots big critters all the time. Yeah no no he puts in the work. But it's you know you can't put in the work for the for drying of two percent goat tag on your first chair putting in just a little disgusting. What did you do. But yeah so i have this. Bunny name justice ca. Just so you know. And i'll slip in and out of hydrogen. So he put in and he got this goat tag. And so you you know. It's a once in a lifetime. Tag in idaho if you if you basically because the odds are so low. If you don't fill the tag you can put in for it again. But the odds of getting at are so low so and if you feel it you're done so he wanted to really do the research and it's kind of fun because he grew up on the wet side washington where it's just almost rainforest right so he grew up doing all this big game hunting where it's dense timber. You're basically flushing. Elk fifteen yards as my understanding of it and he always wanted to do. What of these western hunts where you get up early in the morning. Get out on a ridge. Glass by any animal plan the stock and execute that so. He always wanted to do that. And he got this tag for kind of the area between the snake and salmon river gorgeous. An area called the seven devils but he got this tag and so he. He was doing his homework on how to feel judge mountain goats which is pretty tough. Because they don't really have it's not an crate. You have ten inches of you have ten inches of horn and you're trying to one's eight inches and a big ones. Eleven trying to tell us is that is that a eight inch or tentage you know. And that's the difference between a little small goat. Maybe so it seemed like he was doing his homework. Funny as we did a scouting trip. This is going to be a late. September october hunt. We did a scouting trip in the area and it snowed on us like a foot. It was actually one of the most apocalyptic scenes because there had been a forest fire through there then dumped snow on top of that forest fire. So we're hiking out of there. We go into glass for sheep and it's fog and snow. You're looking for a knows. He actually did fight. We did find one but it was like. Oh man if this is what it's like when it's time to go hunting you can't see anything so the joke in alaska on the north in when i worked up there is you gotta watch out for the polar bears. Do you know how to spot a polar bear. You look for three black dots in the snow. Berm knows all be not. I mean when i was up there. Little segway up there in december working and it's thirty below and the winds blow in twenty thirty miles an hour and it's got these little hypnotic snow trails. That just kind of wins blow in and out everywhere you could just stand there and get you know just completely hypnotized staring at the snow moving but all the sudden you know. Here's the whole burgh is moving to we didn't. That's not a plus. No thank you not interested in any polar bears so when you talk about these goats in the snow so everybody knows. They're pretty much all white except for black horns and a black nose. Yeah i mean if they if they manage to get their hooves on top of snow but that's not going to happen so we went back there and just the conditions were so rough but then hiking out. Got your in a windstorm right. And we're going through this draw that's just been burned out. There's actually smoke curling up through the snow when the wind picks up and we're watching trees fall over man. It was like we need to leave. We're getting outta here. So this is the area that we're going to be hunting later. And what was just a pre scout. Hey this was the appetizer for this whole hunt and the and the initial plan. Because he had plan is like. I'm going to go into this really rugged country just for context for people who aren't familiar with it hells. Canyon is the deepest canyon in north america and they measure it off the top of the area. We were going to be hunting. So you've got about nine thousand feet and it just drops straight down to about eighteen hundred feet. What is the name of the mountain range. The seven devils seven devils in hells canyon. Those two names. Lovely place good indication. Yeah no one needs visit. I've spent some time on the other side of the river. Like discussed the outfitter. I used to work for steen's wilderness adventures. They were out of mnangagwa lower right there. We went orange country. Doug bar area and then hunted up from there and worn at corrals and i spent a bunch of time but man that that country is you know here in wyoming where we're up to ten thousand feet jason elk but like i told earlier and it usually start at six thousand and climbing over three miles up to nine thousand. It's it's a thousand feet per mile there your three four thousand feet per mile. It's just it's up. It's up four feet for every one foot forward. Yeah it can be really ridiculous and especially mountain goat hunting because those critters actually liked to be on the steep steep steep cliffs stuff. So you're that's the train you're dealing with so buddy got this tag. But he was smart about it. He's like i'm going to take like five guys back with me. Not having horses. He's like. I'm gonna find five sturdy guys so we set a cache of food back at a place where we thought would be a good kind of base camp so we had a food supply back therapy then as often happens you make your best plans you you scout you do your your pre-game stuff rate and then stuff happens. And what. what is that a military saying in all all plans go out. The window was the first shot is fired right. No plan survives contact with the enemy. Yeah exactly same. Same concept with hunting a lot of the times sometimes fishing too for that matter right. Yeah that's what we had happen to us on this so as it turned out i get a i get a call from my buddy. I was taking some time off between jobs. And so i was the person he were one of the five that hey i could. I was one of the five who could survive the change in plan so he he sends me just text with the weather forecast on it. And we're supposed to be going in. Like i can't remember the exact dates but say october first. And it's supposed to snow a foot and a half on september thirtieth thing. It's like we need to go tomorrow. Okay i don't have anything going on. So let's go tomorrow kind of thing. So that was kind of the context for this whole hunt is. We knew that we had planned on being there up to five six seven days we had thirty pounds of food cashed so we were good except for we knew what it was like back there. Because when it snowed. Because we've just been back there in the snow so we kind of had a ticking clock that We can't stay back there indefinitely. We need to get this done to segue just a tiny bit just because you you plan and all these plans always go awry. Doesn't mean you shouldn't plan. That gives you a great starting point and then you can. You can adjust the plant from there. Yeah absolutely because we had we knew where we want to be where we wanted to be hunting where we wanted to sit and in glass the first day second day and that that ended up all holding true if we had been doing that on the fly specially with the scrunched timeframe. I don't know what would have happened. But it wouldn't have been the same hunt for sure. And probably the chances a success would have dropped significantly without that pre planning and without his work figuring out how to identify that ten inch go versus a smaller one big deal. When you've only got one shot at it you get one opportunity and you wanna make your best. Yeah i get it. So i mean i. I should share a picture with you guys. The can post of some of the terrain were looking at because it. It's so hard to to get a feel for it. It's ridiculous like how vertical and rough that country is crazy. It it actually is is worse than the tetons. So if anybody's seen a picture tetons you you look at the seven devils it's worse. Yeah so we we got back into this drove out and we got up tour first evening glasses spot and it's just pentastar beautiful. There's a place called mirror lake which is not an imagined in an imaginative name but it is perfect and it's right below this crazy peak called the tower of babel we're looking at these cliffs across the way and way way out for it's just a speck away. My buddy pines the goat that goat. Maybe it's a maybe it's a big one and maybe it's a big but i don't i don't wanna get especially like you got to think of it from my perspective. This is not my mountain goat. You're along for the misery is i. Don't want you to shoot that. Go pack mule. Anyone who's been around out there hoover the place like shoot one this just looking. So but that's the goat. Well see it as it turns out. I say that. But it actually wasn't. And i've been back in that country and i think we could've got that one but it's the first day right. It's like okay we're gonna we've got that unpegged. If we have to that one on the cliff we could maybe see about him and and go back but we watched him all night. And i have to say like one of the frustrating things from me. I don't know what you're hunting buddies are like. But i hunt with my brother and justin and they are forever seeing all the animals before me as like super frustrating. Because you're out there. You feel like a competent outdoorsman right like and they say elk about where the name pointed out. I don't know what that feels like. Well your friends did. That's the way that goes is like you've always got someone who's got better is than neil now are maybe you don't maybe you are that jerk. Well i have better than twenty twenty piece so the trip starts out as per usual with me not being able to see things but we went and we had a lot of extra hiking to do. Actually to drainage is over and set up our first base camp. Is this close to where your food was cashed or completely different area Closest relative term within a couple of miles so relative like despite what they've said there is some flattish ground. There was kind of a bench so we didn't have too hard to work too and we came in with a week's worth of food in our packs to how you say flattish as if it's something like out doing an elk hunting scout with the same friend just an and he's talking about a flat and i'm looking out and it's like where they do. You mean that thirteen percent grade that we're looking at because yeah it looks flat compared to everything else here with vertical that is not a flat. That's getting up that so yeah flattish areas but It was one of those things. It was just the coolest thing because when plans come together. It's just it's a beautiful thing. So we were count by a little place just one of these tiny little pothole lakes. I can't even remember the name of it. But it's it's rate nestled up near the biggest peak and got up before daylight. You know and scrambled up through bush wacked up a big screen field got up to a saddle and just start glass right. Same thing frenzies. The first animal go figure. There's something about getting up before daylight right. It's a little hard to get out of your sleeping bag when it's cold hard. But the anticipation. Of what might i see. Today is always driving me. Can i get to this ridge before daylight and yeah. I usually don't eat a lot of food in just like you said you. You burn that many calories you don't. You're not hungry. you need the calories. But you're not hungry. So i don't eat in the mornings much anymore but get up there and you get set up your warmed up now from hike in the you just hear the forest. Come alive right and you pull well in that case. Because you're up on an alpine ridge. It's not so much the the forest coming alive but there is so much sound. It's the wind and the sound of like just the wind going through the rocks. And you're looking over the snow as it all lights up and it is really. It's an experience you don't have in the front country right. It's just totally different. Especially when you're like eight miles from the rig and you you don't experience it if you show up there at nine o'clock in the morning and the suns at full it's just does. That son is just starting. Illuminate everything and there's that it's almost that feeling of christmas morning like what are what's under the tree right. It's like what's what's out in the meadows and what's on the ridges and what. What can i find i. Yeah so we we had seen some other goats in the evening but none of them were anything that he felt confident in shooting evenings as much. There's this desperation of the lights. Go ahead oh oh no. I'm going to miss out. You don't have time to do anything morning. I'm not generally a morning person but when it comes to that hunt aspect absolutely. It's not like oh. The time's running out roy. Ted alarms and my wife always yelling at me. Your alarm's going off. Get out of bed to go to work or to go do something you know. But the alarm buzzes. Once on hunting morning or sometimes. I get my alarms. Go off in fifteen minutes. I'll just turn it off down. Are you saying you have the same issue i have. Yes if you're going to get up and go fishing. Patrick you just get up before the alarm. Oh i said it. But i wake up ten minutes before that alarm goes off now. How about morning. Go into work now. I don't want to get up. And that's it a warm house and a warm bed. We're talking about a one man solo ten in a sleeping bag freezing and you still go up or or even sharing a tent with a snore. Which is worse. that's ovation. Yeah those those ones don't get don't get invited back in my opinion so what we did we. We navigated that tough terrain in the darkness and got up first light and he's he sees a goat and it's it's that is exactly the kind of hunt. He wanted his that big not dense timber. You can see animals further away than you kind of want to go. Probably big adventure right. It's not hey. We walked one hundred yards from the truck. There's a goat. I shot it. And it's the world record. It's the it's the energy and effort put in to get this reward is what makes it such a epic adventure absolutely and and to be honest too we were. We were pushing my envelope all the way. Because we're looking in this drainage like. I don't want you to shoot animal in here now. Is this post. Where does this fall in with your swiss alps after okay. So you had the alps experience to think. I was getting smarter. Well then events after that have proven that. That's probably not the case patterns. Patrick exactly misery so so we see this goat and we watch it forever but you know again at a quarter mile or more. It's really hard to tell the difference between ten nine. Yeah and you just can't but it's so fun to watch an animal that has no idea you're there even if you're not gonna put a stock on it and seeing him work his way through the base of the cliffs and the and the top of the screen fields and everything and just watching and of course looking for other animals that were more until book huntable. But also you're just you know getting that data you're trying to especially when neither of us had ever mountain goat hunted before so what we've do they get up where they eating where they betting. All this is relevant data. Where am i going to find more goats. And i'm i'm a big backpacker and i love mountain goes i think they are just the coolest thing There are animals that look more charismatic but now negoti probably absolutely sheep. don't live where the goats live. But yeah just the whole package from me. A mountain goat is absolutely one of my favorite favorite animals. But i love seeing them. But you don't pay attention to them the same way. When your backpacking as you do when you're hunting. I think that's true. Across the board. In all people who are are non consumptive wilderness or just or outdoorsy. People you know hiking through all. There's a moose. There's an elk. Yeah you might take a photo you might see. And then you're you're moving down the trail as a hunter. Even if i'm not hunting while i'm out there and i see a moose. I'm collecting that data. And i want to know. More about that moose. And and his habits or the goat or the or the squirrel right. It's just it's a deeper level of connection with nature that you don't get when you're not pursuing that animal. It's funny you mentioned that because we actually had that that miserable scouting trip where we got snowed on and had the fog and the you know almost had trees dropped a on us in the old burn everything The guy that we took with us as not hunter and he was asking us. And you know perfectly natural question like why would you do this right and so we're trying to explain it to him about all the other things. Those experiences of well we wouldn't actually even see some of these animals. We didn't alcon last year and more my favorite memories from that elkin was. We found this little whitetail buck. You had a weird antler on one side. And he's like four corn on the other side so dinky little derby whitetail buck and he had no idea we were there. We just watching him. Choose is code and stretch and you know it was the coolest thing and we weren't hunting that animal but we wouldn't have taken the time in. Our attention have been focused like it was because we were hunting the the difference of hiking and seeing goats or hiking hunting goats is riding in the back of the plane or flying the plane right the experience of feeling that the adrenaline rush of. I'm in control. this. And i'm i'm one with this machine right. That's the same thing as you get in the back of planes on a plane right. I saw go. Yeah and that's even true if you're just the pack mule because that's that's essentially what i was on this trip But you're part of the team and part of and you have a goal absolutely and you know we've also got frankly a lot of stress built up on. How many days do we have to do this. And if we get a goat down eight miles. How long does it take out before this snow storm is going to roll in so you know. That's a piece of two sharpens everything because we know we have to pay attention to details or this is going to go badly for me to transition. Just a tiny bit into like elkana. I get more excited being spotted the caller and part of the you know up more fun isn't it. I'm mike and win. I don't like to be the shooter upfront. Because then all the pressures on me it stress was like am. I gonna make bad shot. All these guys are here trying to meet what they're calling them like. Hey i did the best. I could for you. Mess it up man. What's what's wrong with you so it can be. I mean in my opinion just as fun if not more to be more support than it is to be the trigger guy well and you know and the whole thing is i. I absolutely agree with that because there is a lot. There's a lot of stressing. it's all good right. I mean you. And i know you have enough critters around the studio here like you enjoy the whole thing. So it's different but there is something special about getting the experience. Probably the best parts without having the pressure of whether you're going to mess it up. I that's not take way. I still want to be the trigger guy to both. Yeah absolutely so we got up. We see this goat to far away in my opinion. But we're thinking about it but you can't really tell how big they are even with a spotting scope at that distance sewer trying to find something else and i finally saw an animal. I did it. I did it like i walk down the ridge a little ways and i'm looking down and there's this there's this little rocky knob way lower than all the surrounding peaks and then scott probably like thirty foot cliff and i see goat on top of his everybody else's attention still on the other goat. I can't remember what he was doing something but you failed the goat. I i went. I went further down the ridge toward the feather in your cap absolutely because this is the goat found of. I think i saw some others. I but like when. I'm hunting with people. I'm hunting with if i get to see the animal i. I'm really really kind of very excited about that. So and for people who haven't done this before it's like especially when you're not the trigger guy you've just found the target critter and now it's like you. You wanna share the excitement with the other half of the hunting party or everybody. But they're far enough away. You're also like i don't lose sight of him so now you're like jumping your waiver your arms trying to get his attention right. Well actually like quick. We're a long way from this animal and you can't help it. He just looked different but he was also laying down which changes everything so we quick ran up backup. Ran is not actually literally true but you know moved quickly up and got him said. Have you seen this coat yet. He hadn't got one over on. You finally come come over here. Show yourself for a change so we looked down and again like we're we're more than a quarter mile off and also hundreds of feet of elevation above i. I'd have to look at a map together. But we're probably something like eight hundred feet above this rocky knob so i'm not sure if this is true for goats but for sheep when you're underneath them. They always look huge right. Look way beyond legal. When you're above sheep. They always look sub legal. Well at this range. It was really hard to tell. And you got to remember. Neither of us. Mountain goat hunted before. So this is like we've seen mountain goats but we've never done this so we're we get the spotting scope. We look at this animal and think well he's huntable. He's not an ideal place because he's over thirty foot drop and you don't want to shoot a tough animal and then have it like do a just jump to freedom off this cliff and run your run your animal because for us we've been told mountain goat wasn't great eating bud if you if you've been in the outdoors you know people say that about everything and it's mostly delicious outlines delicious so we cats very very edible we weren't we weren't buying any of that mountain goats no good to eat business. We we were doing this trophy hunt but we were absolutely gonna pack out everything we could from this animal so shooting over thirty foot cliff did not seem like a real doable proposition. So we're but we don't know we're way out of position we've got good eyes on it. He's laying down but we don't know how long he's going to stay there. And we are waiting the heck up on this ridge so like okay. I think we're gonna go take a closer look at this animal. Let's let's do this so we go so before you get into the story. We gotta talk about one of our sponsors and we're going to keep everybody on that. Cliffhanger has ingesting coming down this mountain but So david gotta talk about both spider real quick You know hunting season. You know. I think about hunts like this where you're going into rough terrain could be. It could be anything but how would the bow spider help out. you know. i've this is the third year. I've used my own product and it just was an epitome this year to me of even if i didn't own the company and be be paid to tell you that you need to get the bow spider. All five guys that came in an archery hunted this year with us. We all had one right and we all relied on it heavily. It got to the point. We got snow one day. We're hiking up ridge and hiking up and hiking up almost to look right at ten thousand feet started. Just right at five. And we're just in the snow right. Jason critters chasing critters when my bose on my back and were kaokoland bugling way and all of sudden i caught movement and it's snowy ground so a tan elk run into snow. I had that bo off my back and locked and loaded while he was trotting in from eighty to fifty yards. Now he hung up at fifty. The guys behind me started calling a little bit win. Switched almost instantaneous. And he was gone but the guys behind me commented there like it was amazing how quick you pulled that. Bow off your back loaded that arrow and went to work. I went from to hike in polls my hand and struggling up hill to actively hunting in seconds and it. There's no other system out there that really facilitates that so. Don't take my word for it. There's a ton of thousands of customers out there. That are happy but i'm i'm of the opinion. I won't go in the woods with my bow without my both spider on my backpack. And it doesn't matter where you are if you're neo hunting out here in the west or if you're doing it out eastern tree stand there's applications for the bow spider if you're transporting your bone your truck if your favorite location is the head rest of the truck any of your bow case at home out on the range have a place to hang your bow and you go down range to pick up your arrows to game. Changers ago to both spider dot com. Check that out. Get one for your next trip. And now we'll come back to the story with justin. Seth making their descent after this mountain gout. So you have that initial kind of council of war right. You're you're sitting there. You've spotted an animal and you're like are we going to do this. We're going to do this. So there's a there's a chain of lakes in this drainage and you know lots of wrinkly ground and stuff so we think okay we can make it. There's always a moment. Are you gonna declare war or are we going to declare peace right. It's like are we doing this or not and once you declare your like. Hey we're going to war. It's all out well and you know that you're talking about all of your opportunity for the rest of the day to hunt because this animal is not close achieve committed to the whole day. It's drainage away from our camp we've got probably six or seven miles to come back around to our camp of we use trails and we are now talking about your coming back in the dark weather. This is successful or not burning a whole day to go look at this. Yeah this with coming pressure high stakes so we feel good about it. So like 'em but we don't know how long he's going to stay there and we have no idea where he's going if he'd leave so it's like okay. We need to there to licks down now so we just bombed off. We found a place that would hide from him. So we're losing sight of the animal and hoping for the best bombed down the elevation as quickly as we can to the next the first lake and sneaking it was funny because this animal was not particularly cautious but we didn't know that so we're creeping through the woods. Get over the lip of the outlet of this first lake and he still. They're like okay. This is really good and we stopped is okay but what is what is he doing. Is he about to leave as he settled in. We don't know and we sat there for probably half an hour watching this goat and also now we're much closer so we can kind of assess have we made a good decision coming off this reg and he looked big man. He's he is a good goat. This is if we can get him off of that cliff. That's he's he's working to try and harvest this animal but he's the one that you found. Yes that's an important point you know at that point. It's the next step because now we have to drop elevation to another lake and then we can take another look but there's a again. It's hard to describe this. I feel like i want you know using hand motions and stuff doesn't really help on. Podcast does it not particularly. There's a there's a ridge to the south of the next lake and the knobs on the end of this ridge so we can drop all the way to the lake. But then you have to regain elevation and figure out how you're going to access because you if you could take a thousand yard shot you'd be golden but if you want a closer shot or you want you want a chance to interact with the animal you've got to do some more stuff so there's a moment on the dall sheep film that we just launched for both spider where we segue into a wolf and the wolf is at six seventy five when i'm calling at him and i just means lott's elevation. I'm carrying my aunt six. It's lethal about six hundred right. I just didn't feel comfortable but there was a a midway ridge. And i'm like i can get to three fifty three seventy five but i had to lose sight of the wolf so i left the camera man there and i got up there well. Somewhere between three hundred yard stock up to the next bridge that will scott up and and boogied right and so there's always at risk of take the long shot and not make it or move locations. Try and get closer and get a very doable. It would i mean i- range where that was to seventy five when i popped over the ridge of he'd still been sitting there. I'd have my first wolf on the wall. But alaska's had to lose sight of the critter moving and that's one of the things where it's so great where you have if you're doing the solo you've making all these decisions yourself but if you're with someone else and the conditions were such that we actually had the chance to talk about it like okay. What are what are we going to do. And you've made the decision together so within yeah exactly and it was just so it was so cool to have the teamwork aspect of making this decision. Even though i'm not the trigger man as you said like we're fully engaged in this thing together. You've found this critter so this isn't yours has vested as he is. Yeah yeah absolutely and so. We decided to drop down to the to the lake and get is on again and now when we made it down to this this last lake. Now we're at a range of say. Four hundred yards hearing distance but the terrain is such that. There's no there's no shot and he's still not in a good place. This is one of those things where the decisions you make beforehand and the decisions you make as you get closer to a little bit like this is not a good place to shoot this animals. Maybe this is a place where i could live with this hannibal because you're also getting a better look at the terrain too. So is it. Is it what you thought it was or is it little different and sometimes the the right answer is to just back out and come back again tomorrow at him from a fresh angle. Let him move overnight. But sometimes it's not the right answer and knows in this case but you know as it turns out. So what timer. we at. This lake is at midmorning mid afternoon. It's now mid morning by the time we're there and we've been taking time so all told we got to interact with this gopher probably about four hours from first sight to the big finish on that so i mean that's a long time to kind of be in that heightened state of ohio. Here we go. We're doing this thing. Well and the cool thing for me because this is where really. We made the decision to separate at this point. Because i the reality was. I wasn't gonna add a lot to the final stock except for noise. Insent so i got to park at the end of the lake with spotty scope and my by knows. This is the best far. That's the best. You're now you're like you're you're basically handing somebody a meal on the silver platter. You've put it together right. You made all the ingredients. You made the dish but you're like here. You have to consume it and enjoy it where you're at you're now you're one hundred percent of observer. I really liked this part. Yeah so and it's one of these things where i lost sight of by body entirely like he's gone he's working around the back side of this thing so that it doesn't spook the animal and that means he's also decided i'm just sitting there chillan except for not chilling because it's too exciting. Doper bueno's on the goat. Both okay so. I switched between so i could have the wider angle view. And see if i could pick up justin. He came over the top of this thing and so potentially where he's coming over the top and where the goats. What kind of distance are we talking. So i'll get. I'll get there. Let's this is. This is where it got really exciting. Because i'm just watching this goat and it was the laziest animal i've ever seen. It was kind of like it was. It was really cool because it almost like. Oh man he's kinda like a like a homer simpson goat or something. He's like stand up. Take a scratch. You like scratches head with his backed out and probably belch. You know just like a lot of but it's neat to get to you know because if you shoot him in thirty seconds after seeing him you don't get to see their mannerisms are characteristics. Just the way they. And i got to see a lot more of this than my buddy. Because i'm just sitting there you know at the lake where i can with the spotting scope. I can almost count his eyelashes and see at this point. I don't know which one i'd rather be right. Just getting to be the observer or getting the excitement of i'm going to creep over the bridge and hopefully still right the both or fun. So the long story short on this because there's more to after after the harvest is a big part of the story as well is he came over the top of the ridge and he popped up over that goat at about thirty feet with his rifle. Should it should have had a bo. Almost shooting straight down the go actually because you know when your four hundred yards away. The sound doesn't sink properly so up. Not one hundred percent. Sure how it happened. But i think justin made some noise and this goat like looked up straight up at him and didn't really do anything for a second any let him have it and he ran off through the woods and just and tried to take a follow up shot because all of the advice on goats he'd been give it is shoot until they stop anchor them they are. They are tough from everybody. I've talked to. They are so tough and so strong. I hear shots. I see the goat disappear and at the end of the hunt they were so close with the spotting scope. I have both of them in picture for the final part of it. And that's it so your eyeballs caught him moving in him sky lining as the goal. Still long enough. That i been following in for ten minutes waiting for this goat to not be in this spot and just had to assess like. Is this a good spot to make this shot or not. And at the end he he called it. You know in that moment and so four hundred yards. You guys got a look at this. What did you guess him at size. Wise when you this is the part where if you were talking to the man he he'd probably tell you the exact length of the horns and everything. I actually don't remember because it's just not the most important part of this hunt and again like the difference between eight and ten inches is not huge. But when you look at it you knew he was good he was like he was he was mature out and he wasn't a state record but he was. He was a very suitable trophy. He was very nice. I think he was over ten again. Justin would be able to give you the exact digits on that but he was a very nice go so what happened when it ran off into the woods. Well i'm like. I'm within shouting distance. Just like hey what happened like did you hit you. Don't even know for sure you don't like justin's a very good shot. I haven't really seen him miss much of anything thirty feet when you're startled in shooting straight down drill and could get it. Yes that's a close shot but the adrenaline. When you're that close. I'd rather have one hundred yards then thirty feet to keep probably would have to especially an shooting straight down. Who practices not me. The nice thing with total artery challenges is when you those events we go to they actually setup hunters who practice hundred dope practice expect so anyway ended up climbing my way around the lake and up to the spot in there. There's my buddy with this and they're so much bigger than you imagine like the chest on that thing you know you can't possibly reach around it. It's just so from quarters or bigger than hindquarters really weird animal to take apart because of they just. They look weird. They're really do. They're actually almost balanced on their front feet. They absolutely are and if you read about them. Their ability to climb and stuff has so much to do with the the power of those front shoulders. They're really remarkable animal. But at this point you know we've were four hours into this is now i think about two in the afternoon on the graph goats on the ground. He he missed the second shot but the first one was a great great Lethal shot and that goat expired probably within forty yards of where it was shot. So did it run down into cliff stuff or kind of run up into a little bit better spot. It actually ran down into a better spot. It was on a cliff in it. We actually went out onto the spot where it was and it could have gone very differently but as it was he ran off into the trees in into a pretty nice spot to start working on him and so my buddy had already decided that if he got a nice goat it was going to be a full body mount. We've never done a mountain goat for full so we were like skinny part. That adds to the time right. If you're going to do a full one piece hide thing and adds to the weight too. So we we're kind of trying to figure out how to get a hide off it in a way that will make a nice mount rate and their stories involved with that where we we made some mistakes and there was a lot of extra stress but we finally got it. Done well to to give you a little cu kudos. I've got all these shoulder mounts. But i've never done a life-size either. Right and i'm i'm very confident. Keeping an animal. And that's not a problem. But i actually on that dossier punt. We filmed my dad. We decided to life-size mount that. So i pulled the sat up called the taxidermist in the brooks range from my. Hey how do i. How do i do the back legs. And do you want and end up. We went right up the back. I was thinking you go up the belly but right and that's probably a good point. He had a taxidermist. He worked with and he had researched this beforehand. Now i hadn't but so we would have totally gummed. It up had been me but he actually had a relationship with taxidermist had talked to him about what he needed before him which we didn't have that phone so we just would have been up the creek rate without that but it's different doing something. Then knowing the theory of it right yes so to explain the listeners. At least how it should be done is ear the back to leg. You're going to go up. The back of the legs. Make a y together at the base of the tail and then go all the way out the of the rigid shoulder actually up and then you just short incision the front legs just enough to get to the elbow and then skin them out like a sock and the the main thing that we did wrong as we cut the jugular while the head was still attached and so we had. We were trying to figure out what to do with blood on a white coated animal. It added a lot of stress to our day but there was snow around so we stopped it up. You know it turned out okay but at this point like we're you know we're trying to figure out okay. We want to keep the meat as good as possible so we need to take care of that. We need to quarter this animal. Get get the meat off. And there was snow around So we actually ended up cashing all the ultimate in snow which was great. But then it's also like okay. Temperatures being what they were it was a little warm. We need to get the hide and stuff out and use all these decisions that come out. How many total packers did you have. Just him and me okay. Yeah that's that's plenty shooting. That's a that's a little bit off of the five. You told me you were taking. Yes it is. That's what you get when you have to call an audible and say let's go tomorrow. So we ended up packing the hide out to all the way around to our camp and then we moved camp because our food cash was closer to the vehicle was another mile so coming through the night like their fresh wolf prints in the the mud. And it's raining and now it's dark and just like what are we doing out here and at least the meets in the snow so you know it's good for your second trip and all told we started that day you know because it's later in the season so some like really first light was close to seven o'clock down a mountain time but we didn't get done with that stuff and until one in the morning when we retrieved the cash actually got to go to sleep so you're you're working hard all day long and then into the night and then it starts to rain and so for me. Everything's gone as well as a composite. Go my buddy got his animal halfway out and i'm pretty much content but now it's raining on his trophy and he's just like there awake stressed out whether we've done a good enough job or not so as it turned out. We ended up going back the next morning. Boning out everything just to reduce weight. Because we're going to try and get everything out in one girl and then get it back to. My family lives to get it in the freezer. Get everything or at least get a cold like cold. So there's all these logistics to get an animal on the ground right and all this work and preparation game plans and some go. Well some don't but then there there's this whole other level once you actually. Once the animal hits the ground then the work really starts enough. What you're talking about people and people who haven't done this just do not understand and the fact that matter is is at this point like we also found out. Neither of us had dedicated hunting packs. So we're using backpacks that are designed to really carry up to forty or fifty pounds and we're trying to take out a mountain go with the full hide and all the meat in one pass and so our packer way overloaded. It's just the conversations you have as you after you've had a day like what i just described and then you're coming out huge steep country big gains. And you feel like your hips are about to pop out. So i in an analogy. You're basically taking a toyota corolla to pickup trucks job. Absolutely yes absolutely. Nab brings me of this question when you're going down that steep terrain with all that weight i mean what's the stress level like for that. And i mean you make one wrong. Move and you're a goner. Yeah the trail where we were actually working on at. That point was fairly decent. So it's definitely a pay attention to details again kind of thing but you know you're tracking polls help tremendously with footing in that kind of stuff and you take it slow. What was funny. Funnier to me was the conversations we had about. Can you imagine being this much overweight because you could you imagine walking through the woods this much we could. You imagine this being your walk around everyday weight and it's like it makes you grateful for you know. We don't have a choice sometimes about our level of health. You can do what you can but there's just so much stuff to happen see so we're having it's just the weird conversations you have in the woods whether they make sense or not. You're just like bad. This feels like a lot but also he at one point he tells me like. Have you ever had just wait. Pulled down on your shoulders so hard that your head hurts. And i looked at him like no how do you how do you have your accent up. Looked and he was carrying all of the weight. This goat and seventy five percent. Go on your hips. Twenty five hundred shoulders. He had probably eighty percent on his shoulders and so as porn so hard on his on his neck that it was hurting his head. Now we got him adjusted at that point it was. The damage was kinda done but patrick and i both have kufa far now and they are all. They're the cadillac of of choline. Jerry fisher yeah i don't know what I don't know what commu is if there's the cadillac were. But it's so much better than what we were using. It's definitely a step up for was a. Humulus stare backpacking backpack. Oh yeah so. What was patrick. Show you his cafaro. Yeah that has to happen. I'm a little bit jealous even with my gears like i should be totally content. But i'm david and cafaro. Yeah if you've got any extras laying around just just saying anyway. So what was crazy about. This is that we get we get the animal out and you have all that down and the you would normally relax except for we left. We chose because of the weight issues and the space issues. We left our tent and this cache of food back in the mountains and when we came out that night we spent front country that snow that we'd been racing hit so it it dumped two feet of snow. Well so if you've been twenty four hours later might have been. No goat would have been no go because you can't hike the terrain. You can't spa. You can't glass if the snow is still hit. And you can't even maybe we gotta go but we would have had a heck of a time getting it out as it was like. We still had to go back in there. And you know it's just a different game when we ended up scattering we ate as much putting and rahman and whatever else as we could stand. And then we scattered of still kinda mad that on so of gun on three doll she pumps with my dad and the second one. We spent ninety hours in the tent because of snow and rain and fog. We didn't get a sheep. Joe bartlett of blue creek outdoors went with us on this third one and i ended up packing to full mountain houses back to the truck. And i'm still mad about that extra to mountain houses. You're talking full camp rifle plus a third of a cape doubt dall sheep. It's and it wasn't a mile to the truck. yeah well. He shot his about eight miles from the from the rig. So the the heaviest packs were quite quite hall. We figured we put in between fifty and sixty miles on this three day. Basically what ended up being long three or four days but we did like people who don't pack out trash there's a special reward waiting for them somewhere so we did our trash and And we got we got out of there but it was just so crazy like to have that snow. Come just as it was supposed to like the difference in the experience between like my stress level. This is what you're talking about being being the support crew. Yeah i had to work pretty much as hard as he did. But i've told him for years like that's my go to might be hanging on his wall but it's your goat spotted it. Yeah i have no desire to to check that box because like i love those animals i love. Cnn the whole memory stuff. There's nothing i can do for me. Personally there's nothing. I can add to that experience from from what we had and so it was just it was great to come out and there are people glasses for opening day of elk. Season was the next day and got two feet of snow. And it's kind of that. Like sucks to be you tag out by getting outta here because it's about to snow some bar and the most important part in in the end of a successful hunt for me. Is we go to china. We get a bacon cheeseburger. Yeah i can't remember what we but we probably did something on that order. Yeah it was like something that replaces those calories cherry on top. You're sitting there. You're back from from the wild successful and you can just yeah and i bet. It was consumed extremely quickly. Yeah definitely because we definitely put the word so the final part of this thing for me. There's kind of told the guys that we as it turns out. The people who said mountain goes no good eat. Were mostly wrong. But i don't know what you guys like to eat. I but my family the first thing to go the tenderloins almost they may not. That's often same day rate. You pull those out and you don't want him to cure because especially on like a white tailed or something. There's just if it cures. There's nothing left on that dall. Sheep film we put a tenderloin on spit over a fire that night out their abstract salt and pepper just for that absolutely. So i'm actually. I was living in in the basement unit of my hunting buddy's house and so we're really everything is close right and he's he's grilling up tenderloins from this. This goat this epoch hunt. I think we had other things that we had foraged. And so we're going to have this wild feast and they looked beautiful is on the grill. Beautiful beautiful tenderloins were hauled really excited about this. And so we sit down. And he's got to cut really thin. We all take a bite together kind of after praying and we just sat. You know you just hear the chewing and after twenty or thirty seconds. My buddy's wife says. I don't know if i can eat this. The flavor was really really good. That was the toughest animal. I have ever encountered. It was. I could just eat it. And that was the tenderloin so he made many pounds of really really wonderful sausage. That's what i do with with duck and goose. There's one meal deer hanging here on the wall that you know. I do a lot of canned meat. That's we've talked about podcast before the big meal deer buck here. Have people commented on after his can. They're like that's really tough me. He was just sometimes i think. Did you get a tough one. Yeah and i'm going to give a shout out to my friend. Josh williams who listens to this he killed one up on the bear tooth few years ago and gave me some of the ground meat and i made a bunch of different things with the flavor. Amazing i mean it was. It was really tasty it was it was fantastic but unlike the whole thing like what makes this such a special memory as that come rotary like pulling it off doing something. We'd never done before little on the crazy side. you know. It's not shooting a bull elk miles back but it's still like the terrain is really challenging than initial plan. Didn't really go the way we thought it would. But everything kind of kind of turned out really well and that doesn't always happen but those times when you're out and things go the way they're supposed to they just they're a little sweeter when they're compared with all the times where things didn't turn out and everything and when it's a once in a lifetime hunt with a really fantastic friend you just like man. This is special. This is a gift absolutely. And i wanted to talk about high mountain for a little bit. Did you try any high mountain with any of that or any. It wasn't my animal. So i i got finished products alone. Get my mountain. Go patrick we'll have you over. We'll have some high mountain on some mountain go. I think we should make some High mountain mountain goat sausage. I think that'd probably be pretty good. But i think you should share with me but again i i mean if you guys haven't used high mound seasonings you gotta do it. You're missing out. If you haven't they. I know this year you know i've used it for just about everything. Trying it out on new homemade bacon everything. Yeah which is going to happen really soon in hams and all kinds of fish and wild game and if if you need if you're cooking protein high mountain has the seasoning for you yup so go to h. i. Mtn jerky dot com again. Hr mtn jerky dot com and get a hold of some of that. But it's fun to hear this story. I can only imagine just because you know being up in that country with you back in two thousand ten twenty eleven. Whenever i was seeing hells canyon. I can't even imagine. Do i bet that was an epic epic trip with the terrain. And everything you guys had to do. That's pretty special. Yeah and i'll talk to my friend and hopefully he'll give me some permissions that permission to share some of the pictures from that hunt so you can post them there. That would be really cool. We'll will put those in the show notes. People wanna see for sure and we gotta talk about our last sponsor. Pk lures again. It's all it is prime time. You want to catch some big trout. Big walleye bass. Whatever you're going after. Get out there. Jack amount I know that a hot one here recently. Some of the guys who were tournament fishing they re pulling that. Pk crank trolling it behind. The boat catching some big ones catching some big ones on spinach ig l. Forget about the red dot glow and the red dog logging spin that is money from now all the way through the spring. And we'll tell you through the ice. It's killer so get stocked out go. Pk laura dot com. They'll get you set up with everything you need for your next fishing trip so south. What's what's on the horizon for the next big adventure because it sounds like the goat hunt. We're home we've eaten it. It's on the wall. We're going to t did get life-sized mounted right. Because he was living in a small apartment his tax thermoses actually had it this whole time and he finally called him and said i built my house mount ago so i'm really looking forward to seeing what my go looks like perfect. Also us about the big elkin. You got coming up. Yeah well i have been spectacularly unsuccessful muzzleloader hunter so we're deciding to take. Yeah there's a long story but we're taking. I'm taking a break from that. And we're doing a rifle season for bull elk Out of china that salmon river country. We're going to drop in hopefully work harder than the other hunters and maybe have some opportunities that they don't have that's the theory. It's going to be really frustrating. If some guy with his bellies taken over his belt buzzes up on a side by side wax elk. You'll hear about that if it does. But we're hoping to backpack in and set up and we we did some scouting. And there's some. There's some nice bowls that are i have archery hunted up in that neck of the woods. And you'll you'll get away from the side by side you just gotta work at it. Yeah yeah we're just hoping the elk cooperate and that's the that's the next thing they'll be actually next week coming up quick. We'll watch out for. The grizzly bears stay safe. We look forward to hearing about big bullock story with with a little bit of suffering. Not a lot. Yeah hopefully again set. Thank you so much for coming on. The podcast spent a lot of fun. Everybody if you want some more rag cast outdoors go to rag cast outdoors dot com. Our website has all of our shows. You can listen to them right off the website you can subscribe and get it on your favorite podcast apps. Don't forget about social media and there's also read cast outdoors nation. We share all kinds of cool stuff on there. 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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #44: Trophy Bull Bison DIY Hunt in Wyoming, Archery Kudu and all things Bow Hunting with Rick Parish

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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #44: Trophy Bull Bison DIY Hunt in Wyoming, Archery Kudu and all things Bow Hunting with Rick Parish

"On this episode of rag cast outdoors. We sit down with mr rick. Perish of sheridan wyoming. Rick has been bow hunting for many many years and he shares some insights on some of the tips that you'll need to be successful. Bow hunting in the wild but he also talks about an epic hunt where he killed twenty three hundred pound bull bison so we'll get the details from him on that epic story and trust me. You won't want to miss this one so we hope you enjoy this. Episode of rag cast outdoors. This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain seasonings. Sean rad cast is on putting fishing at everything in between this is red cast outdoor david merrill and patrick edwards. All right here we are again at the wyoming bow hunters convention up here in sheridan wyoming and david tonight night. We've been having a good time. You've been meeting a lot of cool people. And i was over here. We were chatting and i was chatting with mr rick perish. Welcome to the show. How are you. i'm doing great. Thank you for having me on. Yeah thanks for coming on. So i'm a fisherman. Scientists say. I'm like a fish out of water here because this is kind of a new crowd for me. It's a lot of fun but a lot of people. I don't know and had a really good time getting to visit with you a little bit but tell us a little bit more about yourself. Well let's see. I've been Shooting a bow since six years so i. This is a great crowd for you to be in. But but no i. Just i've been living in wyoming for thirty eight years and just enjoy all that it has to offer from fishing. I love fly fishing. And and i used grew up in south dakota where i on the missouri river saw. I've done is fish there. There's a couple there so yeah in fact Backyard backed up to the the river there in the winter when it frees. We'd go hit golf balls out on the ice to see if we get them all the way across the river because rivers almost a mile wide. There was an interesting thing for a high schooler to do but But yeah no. I love wyoming and all that it has to offer and fly-fishing and bow. Hunting are my two biggest passions. So well you. And i get along just fine. Yeah that's great. So if i don't have a bow in my hand i've got a flyer on. Go yeah this is all about that. Fly fish yeah. I don't i don't i don't discriminate against the rifle or or the rod and reel but spinning bait casters if i have to well catches fish rifles. Kill critters i i. I sometimes cave. Well that's why Fly fishing so funny. Because you're always doing something and half the time on those narrow creeks you know on on tangling out of those willows couple. I snapped a really nice. Four eight fly rod. One day i had been in the tight timber all day. Fishing a narrow little creek. I got out a nice open band right. There was one like four foot little tree behind me. And i was going to cast all the way up to the top and got a big back cast and went to heavy front cast. And just snap at treeline me out my little four police. Rod did Survive well hopefully warranty on that thing. Well it's been pretty cool. Because i'm looking at this wall behind me and there's all these different skull mounts different trophies. And everybody's going through in their evaluating and i see your name next to a whole bunch of these but while we were talking you told me about a bison there was enormous so what i wanna do is just kind of talk about that a little bit because i was a little bit in disbelief until i started seeing these pictures of this animal. So let's talk about that well Once i had it on the ground is in disbelief too but so for a long time Bowl hundreds of wyoming worked on trying to get where we could archery hunt bison in the state of wyoming and the second year that we were eligible. I drew a tag tag number. Thirteen is that good. Or and so i was. I was pretty excited. I went over to at that time when you're archery hunting. You could not hunt on the elk refuge so we had to hunt in the national forest. And as i did the research and stuff a lot of the bigger bulls tend to go up into the mountains and hang out by themselves so so i figured that was good opportunity and anyway i i went over to the area few days early and camped with my wife and she went back home and and opening day. I actually got on a nice ball and was circling around on him and at about fifty yards the wind swirl depicted up and i actually watched abroad for almost a mile and a half all the way back to the to the elk refuge in. I was like wow. This is going to be a little tougher than i thought but on day six hunt i actually saw a ball way. Up on top of a mountain snuck up there and Got up there. And i couldn't find him and so there's this big ridge is almost a cliff and i peeked down off of it chernoff. I found him down there. And he was like in a horseshoe shape of aspen trees. And i i started down there. The wind was really strong out of the east. I get down in the bottom and it's out of the west as anyone else in the mountain or deer hunts in the mountain. You know how. The wind is fickle that it does change it And so i got down there. And there was this horseshoe thing of aspen's and i'll give you a the quick story because it's a. it's a fairly long story but i Had to go up into the screen and come around and got into one of the legs of the horseshoe and he was feeding down in the aspens at the bottom of the you. As i'll call it and i stepped out of the aspens and i looked to my right. And here's a great big dust wallow in there's fresh pea and stuff in it and i had one little eight-foot ask him behind me in about a six footer in front of me and this bison started moving to my left and i thought he was going to go through the u. of aspen trees and i was going to pop out there and get a shot at him. No here he turns and starts coming right at me. And and so i was i was ranging him and i was like sixty fifty five fifty forty five forty. I don't need this thing anymore. He's close enough when he when he makes a mistake. It's over but i made a mistake there. Because i just reached down and put it between my knees because i thought action was going to happen fast. But i'm going to. I'm going to step back for just one second here. I was a parks and recreation director down in china and we had zoo and we advise down there and we actually would go in there in the in either in a pickup in the bucket of the front end loader when we had to deal with the bison and so i knew how fast i mean. We had him jumped over the hood of a pickup truck. Before so i know how fast and me and stuff buys and can be and so as he is coming at me. I'm like oh my goodness he's either going to go to the left or the right of me like at two or three yards and i was. I was pretty nervous while here. He stops at about twenty two twenty three yards and he beds down but his head towards me in is but from me as well. As i mentioned earlier i still have that range finder in between my knees. And so he's he's just content be chewing as cud and i'm starting to get back in but cramps from holding. So i've actually had people come up when i've told the story before and have them put an ashtray between their knees. I tell you what. I was sitting there talking to myself. I like this is your only chance. Don't screw this up. this is don't let this. And i don't know why just didn't let it drop to the ground but of course you know range finders aren't cheap anyway. So i'd been probably twenty five thirty minutes into this little stand off of me more than than the bison you and the rangefinding the rain and the bison didn't carry. He had no idea even their well. I got a win. Swirl and his head snapped around. And i just froze and and i was like oh my goodness what's What's going to go down here. Well the wind went back to normal and he started. Tunis cut again. So then i started worrying about the cramps in his damn range by foot on and on myself and so it was probably about a forty. Five minute standoff. The wind swirled again and is to this day. I can't remember how he was standing the next thing i knew. And he's staring straight at me at twenty two twenty three yards. And he's trying to get my sense so as most animals do they're licking their their nose and try and get the moisture there and he swing in his head back and forth and this goes on and on and pretty soon he looks like kujo heads are very low. He's picking up grass. He's licking as and they're just live all over and i'm like oh my this is not going to end well and i kept telling myself. Software comes at me Because the year before a person had been mauled pretty bad by a bison in the area they had to be life flighted out to salt lake city and so that was running through my mind and the fact that you know here. I am all by myself. Two and a half miles ditch creek. Above the teton science center and in the mountains. And i'm like this you know so. I told myself as and some people aren't going to believe this when they hear this said if he comes wait till he's right on yeah because they are so fast touch him and backflip. Just push off his head and backflip. I don't know if it's going to work or i'm better time. So you know how idiotic but you know most of us hunters are idiotic anyway so anyway well pretty soon he sort of swings to the laughed and i start to draw my bow and he catches it and he just bears down on me. And i'm like. Oh my goodness and i think he's gonna come now but luckily he swung his head to the left. And i was able to redraw. And i just found his leg when i drew come up his body and i shot and all i could see was the knock sticking out and he took off went down through the bottom of the you iran through the aspens anyway about another sixty yards and downey went and and i knew he was a nice bison i knew he was big but i it took him probably about fifteen minutes to expire but when i went walked up to him i was like just floored. I mean the mass of it. He was eleven and a half feet as you saw the pictures. I showed praise from his nose to the to his and he weighed. You know and so i had tag drag bringing me and they said oh this is probably the biggest bison we've ever drug out and the game and fish does a lot of research on the bison For their licenses and stuff so you have to tail hair and you have to have t that you give to Blood from the heart and different things and so They took it into had it. To the teton locker plant and they estimated the live weight of the bison at two thousand three hundred and sixty pounds. That's insane and that was the third largest bison that they have ever recorded but what was really funny getting back to the drag out. I'd climbed to the top of the mountain called tag drag to help me get it out and now i said you know it's a little warm. They said tunnel in at. So as i am i i actually. As i was hiking back. I ran into two other hunters one from the hannah area that i previously known as a friend of his and they come to help me to go up and cut the trachea out i was. I was all the way to my belt line. I took my shirt to get in there to cut the trachea. How to get the lungs and stuff out of the body cavity. it was it was. It was a lot of carney. Just say that but but when tag and drag drag drag it out they drag it out on those conveyor belt matt's kept falling off and it was and when they tried to lift it up with their hoist in their wedge. They've bent it and but we the for the front half of it. We fit into an eight foot pickup box. Just barely just barely showed. Pictures is unbelievable and to give our listeners. a context my that shot the whole bison when he was a three year old bowl. I don't know somewhere. Eleven hundred pounds. Maybe more but not a whole lot more. He fit in the not a half in bed. The whole thing was in one whole of pick and so it was just a tremendous specimen and then. When i got the tooth aging back he was thirteen and a half years old so which was something i wanted to mention is people always wonder this. Why hunting conservation right those. Biologists depend on that data to help her management to run their statistics in there to do everything they do and they need those samples to really see how heard overall stability management health is do. Yes yes they do and so you know so. It's our responsibility as ethical and conservation minded hunter to supply them with that data. Yeah so i mean we. We wind a little bit about having to you. Know i've we got getting blood from the heart. You gotta get the vile out of their bag. Get fresh blood and then get the blood from cavity and then the teeth and yeah. It's it's a little bit of work in the field and you've got to have a little bit of pre planning to have those supplies with you. But i'm sure the biologist really appreciate that data well and the game and fish in jackson do a great job of that they give you a kit for that and so when you go in the field you have that with you. And so then they have a really easy drop off system. Because i was fortunate. Four years later to draw cow tag so i've been through it twice. So you've killed a bull and a cow with a bow in wyoming. Yes i have. That's pretty awesome. Yeah kudos that's that's neat having killed bison was a bo. I know what it's it's not easy you just described it in. It's it's a little imitating elks. One thing dear is another but by synergise. it's huge. It was just unbelievable. The size prepared for i mean you know i up my era. Wait tremendously and practice with that kind of a weight of an arrow and you know i had it a about seven hundred fifty green arrow in a two blade broadhead to make sure i have the proper print penetration and it worked so it was tough. Hide extremely pied they do if you've never been around a bison kate so when i came it and The hair up on the back of the neck and around the horns is probably almost an inch thick. Hit is just as you probably saw with your. So i can. You know. I've done a few elk and i can pretty much by myself solo with one blade quarter and elkin have it processed and ready to go straps out. You know heart ready to go that skinned. We went through five six nine three people. And that's i tand mine. Rug it right just european the skull but that'll make an awesome winter blanket on my bed. Think again you put ten. Thank god but you can't move. It stayed on our bed one night. It's warm mean. I know i. T's were made out of bubble yup absolutely. Yeah but i feel like i feel a little closer to our ancestral bow hunter ken having now hunted bison with a bow. Yeah it is something special. And it's unfortunate that you know we don't have we have limited license availability in the state of wyoming but You know i so much better for having that opportunity and it was just just great. I enjoyed it so much. It took us. Two years to eat are bison. We had a lot of burger. I had five hundred pounds of hamburger from that bison because i didn't do as many stakes because i knew it was an older one and stuff so all way all of my i have Two are two sisters and a brother. And then i have two brothers in law and they all got eighty pound boxes of bison for for christmas presents at year. That's a good gift. They enjoyed it. They expected at every year after that we've processed ours at home. oh yeah. I was glutton for punishment. For punishment's kidding was so What's interesting on bison. The front quarters are heavier. And bigger than the yeah. Most people don't realize that sorta of almost like a wild hog. Their rear ends are a lot smaller. And there that's where most meat is in the front shoulders. And they definitely are at tanked. They're their creature. And it's cool that we as hunters have have you know created this environment where we have conservation. We cannot ethically legally hunt them right now if you listen and do a little history and research on the bison the meat market hunting almost to extinction to extinction and conservation minded tr. Cpa thinking of theodore roosevelt. Right and they established the part that park there was a few bison that we're left in the park i believe is on from that. We've grown to now. We have bison all over north america again. Yes we do and so arizona alaska and utah. Were the only places that young recognized and then wyoming came on board and now montana's on board because You know wild bison and then of course there's there's a large range Private ranches at also allow bison hunting. Those do contribute to genetic diversity. I mean let's i mean those guys aren't we can argue about high fence versus free range all day long. But you know some of those guys do trade you know cows and bulls and back and forth and they do similar to wild as as far as genetic and now we have the wind river indian reservation. They're bringing them back there. You're seeing that kind of across the country where people are like. You know we need out this resource back on the landscape again and so it is happening. So switching gears a little bit in you you've hunted more than bison and have more more than two hundred. We were showing some photos of coup. Before till you've been in namibia. Yes i've been to. I've been fortunate enough in my life to I've been to africa three times and the first time mentioning koo-do I did show you the namibia. One but The very first time. I went to Right on the botswana zimbabwe South african border in the limpopo area and fortunate. Enough couture's just elegant beautiful creatures dream of africa. I think pride khuda is probably number one on. Everyone's list grew up in the days of we. We had sportsman channel on on saturday mornings on tv. And if they weren't chasing elka right taylor turkey. They were chasing cue to africa. And i when. I saw that for the first time i said look at these grown out. Here in the west i'm sorry turkeys white tailed didn't really throw me an elk. We had readily readily available in the backyard. But those coup were until. I mean if you haven't ever seen one if you're listening to this go go google coup and look at those gooders. Yes they they. Are you know the striping. The white striping on them while the and the chevron on the face and they actually have a pretty decent main on him to most people don't realize i think they look at the face and see the chevron and the white striping and i think maine has overlooked and that's actually if the wind's blowing on it and stuff. I mean as a walked their walk. I mean it's like probably i know. This is a family channel but watching a supermodel. Walk down a runway. I mean the elegance that they have on that and that's that's the coup but they call him a great ghost for what happens. Yeah that's what i was going to get. At the first time. I hunted him in south africa. I was looking at a coup for probably an hour standing out there in the brush and i didn't even realize it was it. Was there the whole time and all of a sudden it just mackay. Oh i picked it out of the brush. But i'm sure it was standing there looking in my direction to i. I was up in a tree. Stand so i was just like all. That's what i came here for is to see that i didn't harvest that or but but i got to see it but that was cool. You're talking about that. Hide their hide. Has that coloration that blends in with everything. So well and i mean that. When i was watching sports news channel or or outdoor channel or whatever and watching these guys go after the thing always got me you talked about the elegance but that high desist gorgeous and that spiral of that horn going up. Is this something unique. Something that you're definitely not going to get in wyoming but it's just such a cool looking animal. It is and what they say. I don't know if it's true or not. But if you look at it. Because i i have a couple of at home. Is that in the spiral. They're supposedly able to look down. There is down the whole of the spiral. Yeah on my shoulder mount you can look and you can get position with your nose. Almost touching his. You can look past his eye so they can tip their head back and look straight behind him and then they need to move their knows about twenty degrees left and right and they have just scanned three hundred and sixty degrees. Isn't that wild. I mean how that you know if their heads down feeding and they rotate their i up. They they can probably scan. The area has their heads down feeding. So so that is a real unique thing that you know. I thought i've heard it enough. That i don't think it's urban legend. I think it's really a true thing that an ad that tation to the animals solve sorta cool is really cool. And it's kind of like you know sheep. They'll they'll they'll either broom for feeding purposes or for visual purposes. Those those curl start coming up in their vision and they can't see is well and they'll intentionally go and a lot of times people don't know this but she paired dominant handed like you know footed like human beings left or right handed as they graze a mountain a lot of times. Oh grays one. Hornets get groomed more than the other. Because they prefer that sidehill greasy steep angle. That they're on so yeah. Yeah it's it's you know so. I thought that was neat to go. Hey these animals are left handed and right handed people. Yeah yeah so so when i I actually my first trip. Because i'd never been there before. And whatever i shot a smaller koo-do something in the mid forty range. But i was perfectly happy with it because i'd never been to africa. I didn't off as ever gonna go there again Me and my brother went. It was a great experience and that that one. I wanna touch on that for just a moment in in this industry. I've seen a lot of proclivity towards inches and it's all about inches. It's all about outdoing the next person and you know. I've got a picture and patrick seen it and we'll show it to you. It's one of my favorite pictures up on the podcast. It's me and my boy with his arm around my shoulder and we have a doe antelope in front of us. Absolute right. I mean i almost tears talking about right now because you know what it. It's one of my favorite photos. I've got my four year old boy out there. We went out him. And i spotted. Stock dough antelope unharvested one. And he's like he's wearing his knife on his hip belt and he's let's go hunting dad and you know it doesn't have to be about. Oh i shot the next world record. Which is it's cool. And i think keeping records is a really healthy thing for the population. It's a great way for biologists to manage. How the hurt is doing right. There's something that we're missing. If we keep you know just pushing for inches. And i agree with you. I you know last year was my fiftieth postseason. I'm sixty two. I hope. I don't look that bad but twenty one. Hey i have this mule named rick any stubborn and he packs out to al almost every year. 'cause i shoot a couch because my wife and i loved elk me and we have a lot of friends that actually we. I shoot something. If i didn't have the where the meat's gonna go and there's something we've talked about this before. There's something super tribal about inviting your friends over cooking. A meal you went out and harvested in passing it over and going not only. If i put the labor into preparing this for you i went out and actually procured it and that field table. You know when when we've talked about this before five. Paul a package of halibut out and cook dinner for you. I like you too big deal. Absolutely because yeah. I'll come over for halloween right outbreaks some white wine with it. But even if we're doing get my house we're not having cow burgers. Oh yeah. that's our red meat supply in. it always has been ever since my you know. I've been married for thirty eight years in that. That's our red meat supply. We do by a few chickens once in awhile predominantly fish. I raise it. I raise pigs. So i can bacon yup all and my brother lives in texas. I go down. And i love. March and april is great timing. Yea they're doing a service yeah but But you know i bust. I love stocking mule. Deer is my favorite thing. And then i love stocking out too and i have shot a lot of animals because the stock was so important to me. I just pulled off a five hour stock to get within twenty five twenty yards and i used to shoot re curve a lot before i Tart my triceps tendon. And so sometimes. I was five yards from an animal. I've stood over two mule deer for over five hours. One shot one. I did not stand for hours next to an animal. You get to know it with an almost touching distance yet least spitting distance. Yes and so so. Sometimes i shoot. I shoot because i just put in a superstock in. It's great it's a great day mean. This animal had this connection all day. Because when i was younger i used to go out and i would see an animal and i go after it because i was like well. I'll find another one now. My philosophy is why. Find an animal that i see a great stocking position or i want to go after it. I'm like oh we've got all data play. So there's this progression that i've seen across bear hunters across fishermen across hunters. And it's i. I just want to harvest a fish. I just wanna shoot a bear. I just want to kill a deer right. And then it's i wanna kill lots of deer and catch lots of fish and shoot lots of bears. And then it's i wanna shoot big bears but then you finally see guys either transition just purely. I wanna take a great photo of bear right. Or they transitioned to. I wanna harvest this fish in this location. This time of year with this lure. I wanna make it the hardest way humanly possibly could to make this done and then when when you are capable of succeeding that it's that next level challenge. It's like you said. I went to reeker right. Well why did you go away from a compound because it was harder because it was next level of challenge. Well i started out when i was. You know i start shooting six. And i hunted through high school with the reeker and then a in college. I went to a compound and then i moved here and a lot of the archers in this area were shooting and ns fun. They're great. i love shooting them. I probably harvested over one hundred animals with reeker and so's a lot of fun so it was a very very tough for me to go away from it because i the biggest fear was that i would shoot every day because i love shooting every day and date and i can shoot. I've got a sixty yard range in my insult. Shoot all the time. My neighbor thinks i'm absolutely crazy. It's snowing out dude. It's it's eight degrees. i said. Yeah this on in so hurts so yeah so even my wife thinks i'm a little crazy at times but so for example you said that there some animals on the wall behind you this year that particular elk the year before i killed three hundred thirty five inch bowl. That's a pretty decent ball in my book anybody's pro now this year. That's a smaller six point. But what what it was. Is i watch these elk for probably three hours in the morning and they they went up into an area that i said not to get close to those. You almost have to that perfectly. And so they were on the side of a canyon. I had to go out where they could see me for. Probably a half mile down and work around the obviously didn't see me. It was five bowls together. And then i had to come down and almost back slide down off of couple of cliffs and get above them and then i stood there for three hours until that. That bowl stood up. There is another bowl that was probably bigger but when he stood up my shot and killed him and so i started at six o'clock in the morning i killed him at four in the afternoon and i shot him because i mean just to pull that off to get their across that open. It's it wasn't. This is an area down berry laramie peak and it's more. It's there's not a lot of timber there it's it's that mountain mahogany lots of cliffs. Lots of really steep shoots and stuff. And that's i was so thrilled with that. That internet's know that's just an awadhi. Were planes animal. We've come into the mountains. i mean they. Yeah and it's neat to when you get them out there we we have that red desert close to us. That's a really good and getting out there and just looking at those gets. Oh yeah. I'm so used to seeing them up in the mountains. It's it's a little bit different to you know. See a couple of big bowls lay sagebrush patch but sure when that sun comes up there standing all little butte or mesa. It's yeah it is. You know we're so lucky in wyoming that we get to see those things that experience it and have wildlife as part of our everyday life mean. I don't think people realize that wildlife whether we're fishermen whether we are skiers whether we are just someone that just enjoys the outdoors are whether we're hunters. That wildlife is part of our everyday living in wyoming. And we're extremely blessed to have as a society we need to get back to. We don't need to be apart from nature. We are a part of nature and we need to get back to where kids realize that. That's a part of why patrick started. This podcast is to promote. Get the word out there that yes you can take your kids out and go. Look at ladybugs go. I mean. we talked about the other day. Go get flashlights. In pole worms out of the garden to go catch rainbow trout with. That was one of my favorite things as a kid was catching the worms to catch the fish. I that those are all great experiences in and just bring smiles solve our faces when we think about it. Yep absolutely. I know my my four kids take night crawler hunting. There are happy group of kids. They love it because they get to stay up late for one in the dirt. Hands are in the dirt. you know. Talk about connection to be quick. You better you put that on flashlight on him. You'd better be going. So i used to really like hunting that involve deception waterfowl turkey. I even elk. I'm you know tricking the vocalisations or whatever. But i'm getting more and more of this last film that's coming out is a doll sheep. And that's just purely spot in stock right. And i i love to just climb to the highest peak take a spotting scope and look at everything around lower than me and then finally go. There's one and kind of like a bird swoop down and then figure out how to how can i sneak in here and he's land there and has no idea that i'm even so i'm i'm getting more and more toward and after killing a few elk with a bow and i i keep telling my wife i can die after i kill one more with bow and kill one more might well. I gotta go one more thing. It is addicting. I don't have a mule deer over two hundred. And i don't have a mule deer over thirty inches and i don't have a big one with a bow so dive my goal is to you know in that killed a bunch of deer. That's not the issue. I don't wanna kill any dear. I wanna kill the deer. And i wanna kill it how i wanna kill it with aibo. Well good luck to you because that's a good class so how many years you know. Have you been hunting filming hard. Did you save about. I moved here in one thousand nine hundred eighty two eighty two so thirty eight years or so. Yeah that's pretty good run and you grew up in south dakota so you rally started hunting more there than anywhere right. Yeah i got my. So when i was six years old. My sister was born on my birthday. So i got a bow and arrow and i g share a birthday with your sister. Yes and parents weren't around as with grandparents. And i was hiding in the back porch when my grandpa come in from working on the farm and i shot him with my bone air on gotta taken away on my birthday. Also i like it yeah. It wasn't very happy with it so and this wasn't rubber tips. Either press steel points on those would shafts because it was a fairly decent bow. But yeah i started hunt with a bow and arrow when i was twelve in south dakota and when i was Senior in high school. I shot my first year. And there was only like three or four people in chamberlain. South dakota that hunted deer with a bow and arrow and i was like the the high school hero and it was just a mule deer dull but oh my god is so proud and i worked so hard to get that you know and so that was really cool and that was what the recur and old ben pearson shakespeare pony I don't even have the bow. At my grandpa's i bow and my dad's i have my i bowl and so i i have those in my Little room that have a lot of my trophies and stuff and i have been pearson as well. And that's what i've been. I've attempting to shoot a doe antelope with their. We're going to get it down one of these days. That's cool but yeah so so yeah. Last season was my fiftieth year. And i look forward to each season with even more zest than before. I don't know why i have that. Some people lose that drive. I have not. My wife is very supportive. I have two sons One took up hunting early and was very successful Even shot a couple of things with the re curve had a browning forty-three pound bow and then that was my older son and he sort of drifted away but my younger son who lives in the area When i shot a really big moose back in one thousand nine hundred ninety six and he was helping me quartered out. I would put a rope around a leg and tell them to goal around the aspen tree is i was cutting it up and and stop them and he said dad. I'm gonna. I'm gonna kill me a big move someday. And when he was fourteen drew a tag and shot at boone and crockett bowl with his bow and arrow at fourteen. Welcome both bouye start. They never rifle hunted until they were in their mid twenties when they were away for me So so yeah. I mean they've that's just what they grew up with. And so that's what they started. And and you were showing a picture of your your son earlier. And so my son when he was twelve the youngest one while they both shot an antelope whitetail dough their first year at twelve years old with a bow bone arrow and but anyway my my younger boy he was really small. And so. I got him next to this. This whitetail army nece Antelope doe that. He shot Just south of cheyenne. And i mean the head and neck. Look as big as he is. I just loved that photo. I have it on the wall in my shop because you know those memories and just to be with them. When that when those things occurred. Just fantastic you know. Just it's part of my life and and as as you asked. I mean i look forward to it every year and and it's just Had great great memories from it led me down different paths. I was president of this blenders. Wyoming organization never here at from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety-six wanted to bring in bow hunter education at the time which i thought was really a good thing because bow. Hunting is different than rifle hunting. And you need to know a little bit more about it and it's never was mandatory but it became really where a lot of people said. Yeah i think i should take. That saw in the game and fish is never made it mandatory but does as with instructional material stuff like that. So that's a good thing. Yeah it's really grown too. I mean oh so some of the changes you've seen over the years in in the state in the sport and and things you can kind of put your finger on as far as are we headed in a positive direction. Or what are your thoughts. Well i think that it's a two edged question. Because what do we do with some of the technology. That's out there just in here. When i started out there is no range finders. There is no trail cameras there is now now. We have trail cameras that take photos in you. You know an send them to you on your cell phone. And i'll be honest if i was had forty acres whitetail hunting and that's what i own back east. That's a cool piece of technology. You know for me for here. It can be two three hours of the mountain. it really and i don't have cell service. It doesn't appeal to me. But i could see how somebody could be. Used that nefariously drones. I mean that's that's a whole issue in itself. What do they do there. I mean i've heard some horror stories on drones chasing deer on the winner. Rain john horn drop age and stuff like that. Hunting has always been a thing of self management. And i just hope that for for for hundreds of years it's self management right and i just you know. I hope that the drive for as we talked earlier. And i briefly touched on it that yes. Do i love to shoot something with big horns yes but do i shoot A cow or a four point l. Because i want meat freezer. Yes so i hope that it's not totally driven to the point that it's for being on tv being on star and social media or where you get all of your hunting stuff for free you know sponsorships and stuff. It's going to occur. But i hope that the average person is still out there to enjoy friends. Enjoy joy your moment with nature and your children. And i hope it goes that way so my company one of my companies taglines is never missed the moment right and that transitions more than but we're going to create environment where you won't miss that big bull elk. No it's you need to never miss any moments in life whether that's fishing hunting family and i think you're you've touched on it that we we see this well. Somebody shot a spike deer. And we're going to shame them. And i've said this on this podcast before and i'll say it again and i'll say to people you know. What if if some guy like yourself takes out the neighbor kid down the street and takes him on his first deer hunt and you shoot a spike dear. That's your tag in your decision and shaming you at the gas station. Because if you if you confront somebody and say well. You shouldn't have shot that deer. Maybe you're going to take that kid. That could be an advocate for hunting. And he has such a negative experience encounter. He never goes again. And so don't you know. Don't judge somebody else's trophy. Because i told you at the beginning of this mike picture with one of my favorite trophies at doane yep yep yep i came back with the same story on my youngest son you know. My oldest son was adult white tail. So so yeah. I mean and yours was a mule deer doe in high school right absolutely so yeah i mean so enjoy it. Enjoy the moment. Enjoy if at that moment. That is the deer are the l. or the antelope that you wanna take take it and be happy with it. Go home with a smile on your face. You got that opportunity to do it and enjoyed that meet. I mean that's all that's like for me. That's like the best part because i nature. It's amazing staff. Lean organic protein. So what advice we touch on this a lot on this podcast because we do want our kids and you know spouses and everybody else to be involved in the sport. So what advice do you give having race kids into hunting. Do you give to young fathers and mothers out there. That are trying to get their kids into the sport. Well my advice would be because there are. There's a lot of parents that didn't have parents at hunt it. You've got a couple of different roads. You can go down. And we're and i'm talking wyoming so there's a lot of hunters in wyoming and So you know if you can find a friend. Don't be afraid to ask them because most people myself included are just willing to wait. Have two kids at moma yard. And i said come on over. I'll teach you. They both shoot a bow but they don't want the ball said come on over now teach you how tune your bows and get you ready for that moment that you decide you want to hunt with the bow but also just go out and don't be afraid to make mistakes go go out with them by license and you know you might surprise yourself what you come across and just go out and try it But if you don't know if you're going gun hunting. I would suggest that will. Obviously you have to take the hunter safety and stuff but also go to a shooting range and most people in wyoming. I haven't ever where someone choose me out to go. Ask him a question You know if you go to a shooting range ask and say hey no. I'm not quite sure how. To cite. In scope scopes can be tricky on your. What were you you dial your radical on that. None of us were experts. Begin with to learn this so as parents if your kids are interested and you don't wanna do it find a mentor for them. And i think they're out there and now that my kids are in their early thirties. You know if if someone come up and asked me to take a kid out absolutely. I'm going to go back to south dakota every year because that's where i grew up and the rancher whose land my dad was a hired hand on its men multi generational now. I have given both of their boys abo- in and and own have them come out shoot with me and and i think this year is the first year that one of them's going to hunt with the bulk. That'll be you know. They've shot deer with a rifle. But now. I think they want to do that but So yeah parents. It's it's a thing that is so rewarding to your children but it'll turn around be rewarding to you so just just just do it and and don't be afraid to ask go down to Your sporting goods store and say hey. Is there anybody. Call the game and fish. Hey is there anybody. Because they're out there and they'll help you have yet to meet somebody. That's hooked on bow hunting or hooked on fishing that gets hooked on drugs. I mean hunting is expensive back up on that a little bit. Because i do need advil once muskie bates for three or four straight. I need some advil so well. I think i mentioned earlier. I had this newell. His name is rick and he's really stubborn. I'm putting the pack out most all of my own stuff. And yeah when you pack four four trips on a bowl al or whatever i need to add. I've gone on four doll she now. Oh you lucky purse successful but this last one. I packed advil and tylenol for one for every day. Because you know you just you get where you need a little bit of a well. We took my old man and he ran out of his stash like day to go eight hundred milligrams of started every day. So i didn't have any but yeah that's painting. You helped pack out his animals so just saying there you go. He owes you some advil and tylenol. Absolutely i'm sure. I gave him more than one or two headaches in his probably probably tend to do that so you know you've done a lot of different things. What's what's next on the horizon for you. Do you have hunts that. You wanna do and you know what are what are your plans well. I've been very fortunate as i said. I've been to africa three times a bit in the northwest territories Alaska latte two years ago. I wanted to hunt moose again. Really bad and i just know that i won't draw in wyoming so i went to newfoundland and cooler really fun. I shot nice moose. There on day number six We got to hear about zambo going there and that sounded like a quite the adventure. Saw monstrous moose. But i mean it's an area where you can get a tag you can go and you know mine was like thirty seven inches wide you know but the hunt was span tastic. Now if i had the money. I would i would have bought up Woodland caribou they had some monster woodland caribou there where i was hunting and two guys shot woodland caribou there one up in the three ninety which i'm wondering if it's going to be in the top five at the animal. Oh it was huge. I was just like so my things have changed a little bit. I mean i would still like to shoot One more big elk But If i don't i am not going to be crying i really. I really like hunting deer a lot. And so i mean i put in. I'll be going to iowa this year. I have four preference points have been diawara twice and so you know so. That's what this will be the third time over. Thirteen year period. I would like to have an opportunity. One more nice mule deer. And if i say one more than i'd like one more so i i know how that goes through one more but i have really probably won't probably won't do as much traveling as i have in the past. I was just very fortunate now. I am retired. And i don't have quite as much of an income but i still am. Okay so you know. And my brother. Hudson kansas allot and so i- hundred with him a couple of times they're having ever shot a deer there but Intrigues me that. I'll go back there. I do put in every year again. For you. Know i've drawn in wyoming a sheep tag three moose tags. Two buys and tags. Be any luckier than that. So if i dry filled filled them all so that was really So i have stories. You know i have a lot of stories to tell but yeah i guess back to. Your question just dawned on me. I want to stay healthy. Not continue to do the thing i love. So what do i have. I wanna i wanna stay help and sixty two I write a lot of bike. I play a lot of sports. Still and i just want to stay in good enough shape that it continued to do the thing i love for another ten or fifteen years. How's that sounds like a great answer to me. I think that's great fishing and hunting and those are lifelong activities. And you know you wanna be able to be physically healthy enough able to go do those things that some people call hobbies or pastimes and i'm sorry but in our households it's it's a lifestyle it's it's one you right. I mean it's kinda. I'm a little bit of a car guy to write little. Patrick seen my car. That i built and i bought this thirty eight chevy pickup in high school and i spent ten years restoring it and soup ing it up a little bit but i drive a geo metro back and forth to town every day right. I'm not gonna talk to you about my geo metro. i'll talk to you about my thirty chevy pickup. But i'm not when you come over. I said we we have dinner. Not gonna serve you chicken from the store. I'm not going to serve you regular box brand hamburgers. We're going to have back strap or antelope or something. I've procured put a lot of time and effort and enjoy it to honest. And that's what i'd want you to serve me anyway. you want the alabama. I'm the same way like that. Fezzet recipe wrapped in bacon. Well let's hear it on sugar. Yeah share with i. I grew up in south dakota so i mean pheasants were big. Thanks hasn't central. Oh yeah you had to figure out multiple ways so one of my favorites is to take a thousand and full body wrap it in bacon and then cook it for a while and then a melted butter and brown sugar glaze over it. That sounds pretty good. it's really crispy on the outside and that holds all the moisture in and so yeah. I think my mouth's watering fezzan anyway. So i will. I got new pheasant dog this year and got a new pheasant shotgun and one of these days. When i get the big game out of my system i can foresee a day when all david does is get up at about seven thirty. Have his eggs bacon. Load the dog in the truck. Drive down the road. Go shoot my pheasants by ten. Come home have my lunch and take a nap. You with with the bank and you better walk a few mock well. You haven't seen me shoot a shot. We like bacon. David david and i both raise pigs that we butcher and make our own bacon with high mountain seasonings. And i'll tell you what man homemade bacon at where it's out in the morning you better have. No i Yeah i unfortunately do like baking. Also that i make a lot of breakfast sausage. Too good steph. My brother turned me onto making some breakfast sausage. We took about twenty pounds of pork and elk medicine all together and made it. And it's it's pretty good so So here's a little thing that i like doing but you gotta be careful because it doesn't last real long as antelope. I'm grind it with bacon ends instead of suet. That's good stuff. That's that's good so well anything. You put Fat into not gonna last as long. So don't don't take your whole antelope grinded up and do that. But certainly take some about a six month longevity on it. So i take in saran wrap and vacuum seal all mine and as long as you don't drop those packages and poke holes in the. Don't let them fall out of the freezer but occasionally are meet rotation in the freezer gets a little bit off that i liked to be eating year old stuff brett so anything that gets killed. This year gets eaten next year and everything that got killed last gets eaten this year but we did find about three and a half year old package when we moved opened it up eight it. It was just five. Just good great. It takes a little more work. You know up front to saran wrap and vacuum sealed but it's an investment that's completely worth it absolut absolutely. Yeah i also liked to do. I don't know if you like this for breakfast. Sausage patty ever make theresa so one of my favorite recipes using the trees. Oh package the high mountain sells you because it's perfect. You know you get that you mix it up with some pork. Oh my gosh has some of the best breakfast sausage. You'll ever eat still delicious. So as i mentioned one time earlier in the in podcasts. Is that my brother Lived down in texas inside. Go down there hunt hogs and that's a good white meat and so made a lot of sausage outta that from breakfast to whatever and stuff. So that's what makes a good theresa that wild core from down there so towns delicious. Go see down in fort worth. I'm curious just just my own curiosity spot and stock with with a stick. Blow right yup. What what are some tips to give a guy to be a little bit more. Successful to some do's and don'ts of because it's you know with with a compound fifty five yards on a mule deer. It's we're going to. We're going to seal the deal. That's even in the wheelhouse with my reeker right. Number one is patients up the yangyang. You know if you spot animal and their feeding or whatever you know and then watch where they bed down. Then that's your then. Next is your biggest decision of the day. Is it in a stackable spot. What makes spots stackable. You know his it under a cliff. Is it where you have a rock or tree. Is it where the wind is gonna stay consistent all day. A lot of the area where i haunt. The wind was out of the north in the morning. But by ten o'clock it's coming out of the south west if it's non stock of a spot will you. Just wait and watch another day till it moves. Yeah i i i have stocked and killed mule deer when they're on their feet twice as hard already times as hard number two. Then when you make sure that you when you are circling around it that number one i like to keep the deer incite so whether it's an it's mostly it's horns so sometimes you have to go out of sight because then all of a sudden at the deer got up and moved only ten yards. You don't know where it's at. And so so when i'm circling around. I try to keep the deer in sight. Sometimes it's impossible. But i'll get back inside as soon as possible and then when you're coming in from behind it above below whatever whatever you know you want the wind Make sure it's consistent. And then secondly. I made adaptation so i used to take off my shoes and put on hold a wall sock or whatever Too many cactus in the feet. So i put on those sneaky feet and over boots slip over your shoes. Have rubber shoes right. And i i like like real light like a keen target. Two or something like that as a boot something not a real heavy heavy boot Even i've hunted in on the sala solomon sneakers but anyway and then take your time to steps to steps closer if that two steps you know and take a rest. Don't push it go real slow and one of the things that would. I used to take my shoes off coming in socks. Make sure he make remember where your shoes are at. But i have looked for him for a long time but like i have adapted. My water thing is right here on my shoulder so my camelback is right on my right hand side. I'll have to do is you. Don't lift your hands up. You can just lower your head down invited and take a drink bingo all. You're gonna get thirsty in an hour or five hours away. Yeah i mean. I would say a typical weight is to track and two hours. Just just ahead in your living room for two hours. I can't sit down and watch a movie for two hours. And that's something entertaining thing you know just like i mentioned earlier. Don't rush it you've got old. Here's here's dan. You decided you wanted to shoot this animal. You know you've got all day and notice. He so yes and so once you can thrash. What's the rush now. They are going to stand up. They are going to shift position and so just freeze. I've had deer stand up. Looked right at me. I've had where. I've stopped in on three or four year and the deer. I'm after i've had other ones get up and walk. I i'm like twenty yards and they'll walk between me and the deer and no look at me like what's now i also had where they've looked at me and just totally freaked out. But i had more than off and they'll just look at you like what is that. I didn't remember that there. But it's not moving and the other deer their arm so they'll go back down and self so yeah so it's so patients patients and the biggest thing that i see that most people don't do glass. I spent more time behind my glass than than anything. I mean you move. Ten steps in that side canyon is now a totally different view that you know you just are are passing and stuff so so i would say that as i've gotten older you know my success on stocking way way up because i'm a lot more patient it makes sense. The wind patients make sure they're in a stock of position and take tire son. You peak over a cliff in your shadow sticking over the cliff. You're done so. I've waited before i've reached over knowing a deer down there. I saw his horn and watching my shadow to the side. Or whatever and just say okay. I can't i can't shoot him for an hour and some of our listeners will have seen this but on the full draw film or here in wyoming one of the hunters fifty years ago. Maybe he one of the hunters reaches up on a nice meal deer and grabs the deer's horns and shakes it and the deer didn't wake up and he does it again. And then the deer pops up in bounds away for whatever it was gonna shoot. But if i hadn't seen that footage with my own eyes i've never seen that low gates that's cool. It's a little ditch the size of this table and the guy came over. The top just woke that deer now. I've stood on a big rock that whereas probably two and a half yards from deer could see was. Its nose isn't a little bit of its front fork in its fee. I never killed that deer but standing there for a long time. Wait for to stand. But he stood up and turned and looked at me and like he wasn't one night that wasn't there before. So we have some footage from the brooks range of dall sheep ram at those kinds of distances. So cool cool. That's coming out too. Well thanks again for coming on. The podcast is a lot of fun. I'm glad they were here at this event because we get to meet people like you so this is a lot of fun. I enjoyed it very much guys. Thanks a lot a lot of fun. I i love to just share stories with people so it's well we're going to put picture that bison on there because it really is a monster. It's a big bison congratulations. Thank you very much jerry

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RADCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #43: Archery Hunting Trophy Shiras Moose in Wyoming

RADCast Outdoors

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RADCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #43: Archery Hunting Trophy Shiras Moose in Wyoming

"This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures bo. Spider and high mountain seasonings on this episode of rag cast outdoors. We sit down with. Sam davis and zach dewitt to talk about some of their monster. Shira's moose that killed on archery. Hunt here in wyoming. I can tell you david. I really enjoyed this episode. Because we're at the bow hunter's of lambing convention in sheridan wyoming. And you could tell that these two guys were really good friends and that they really enjoyed hunting together and it really comes through on the podcast. We hope you enjoy this. Episode of rat cast outdoors. Sean rad cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is rad. Cast outdoor here are david merrill and patrick edwards. Hello and welcome to another episode of dad cast outdoors today. We're At the bow hunter's of wyoming convention out in the field for the first time for us taking the road castor on the road and we got a couple of guests here with us. So guys i'm gonna. Have you go around introduce yourselves so go for it all right. I'm sam davis from sheridan wyoming. I'm zac dewitt. Also from sheridan awesome so santos a little bit about predators. Never quit all right so Predators never quit is a is a brand that i started back in two thousand thirteen. Actually zack were hunting together. And another buddy of ours and we wearisome some real rough country and we weren't gonna spend the night we were day hunting so we weren't set up camp and stuff on her back. In long story short. We were about along ways in spotted elk even further the other direction from camp in. We're sitting there glassman. We'd all kind of doing the pondering looking at each other and go on him in iran. Ten o'clock in the morning. It was weird as a big bunch of elk and there they were out there quite a ways three four miles the wrong direction predators. Never quit guys. Let's get after him and killed my ball so it was easy for me to say i was just video guy meatpacker guy and it's always the easiest when you're you know you're you're hanging around camp like come on guys get with it. Let's go exactly. And so that's how started. We were headed down the rage in as a rock and under age. I'm just cutting up. You know because. I have no work where he cares carefree as bombing house. Like i'm gonna put that on shirt and so that led literally led into that adventure turned into overnight. We didn't have sleeping bags up on. Pine boughs ended up getting picked up fourteen miles away off of a mountain range to get driven around. You call rides. I mean it was. It was crazy. Never quit moment end. I assist that stuck to you that that mindset that that motto. And there's some that. I live by me and my buddies. That's how we hunt and so fast forward. I put it on a hat back in two thousand thirteen. I built this. Pin q logo and then it kind of went by the wayside. Life got in the way busy kids family but now my wife she kinda struck up yet. Actually hey we need to get that going again. We have a bunch of people have asked about it and so yeah. We launched a brand called. Never quit and it's truly live by like i said it's lifestyle and yeah. That's joe live life whether it's working out whether it's bow hunting. It's being a father. It's just it's a never quit mindset tellers. They're sick hats. I wear one cool. Thanks thank you. this is one of the ones here. Yeah yeah so. Where can get those outs So i got a website. Www predators never quit dot com. And then you find me on instagram. It s davis to five zero six. And i have a predators never quit instagram. That's growing but i do a lot of social media through my through my own name. So sam davis. But yeah that's awesome. Thanks yes so. Hunting lifestyle born and raised in in it right because dads brought you up. Yeah since we were little you know. Both our dads were hunters guides His dad was a fishing and hunting guide. His whole life so in my mind was as well hunting guide later on but yeah just grew up hunting and probably worn out wanting to go all the time little bull patrick and i both have kids and i mean the reason we started. This podcast was to get women youth families involved in the doors. That's a big mission goal of ours and we try and take our kids as much as we can. There's a study that was released. I think rocky mountain. L. foundation is republished it but basically and i. I'm gonna misquoted. Kids from a household where only the father hunts like a quarter of them go on into adulthood to hunt but kids from a household where the both the mother and father hunt three quarters or more continue to hunt and fish into adulthood that that should speak volumes to everybody out there than we need to. We need to grow the sport. Yeah totally doesn't surprise my wife. She's a big boned hundred to actually she had never hunted and then we got together six years ago and she would watch me. Shoot my bo. I mean every night watch my. She was kind of fascinated like how fascinated i was. Shooting my bo. I mean it was just every single night. I don't even think about it. My bow sits by the back door. I grab it. I shoot some arrows every single day. It's just to it's religion to me and it's for me a chill chill out kind of disease in my mind as constantly. I think she was fascinated by like me and like he just gets in a mode. And then i shoot from stressed. I shoot my bow everything anyways without letters. I bought her a at christmas. And yeah and then she got into shooting and gino. Can i pull that you know. I think i pulled back enough and all this and we worked into it worked into it. She's back fifty pounds and she got very accurate. Yeah now she haunts. she's hunted for. She's still some really good bowls with her and she's been really lucky with her bow. So yeah it's i in my little girl. Now she packed she shoot. It is in the house. It's everything so yeah. I totally get what you're saying. I mean you. And i met at total archery challenge and i get to see the families going through their totally no. That's not just a dad to weekend. Go by yourself event. And if you haven't i mean the best way i can describe this shoot a rifle long range. Even if i take the kids. I'm not relaxed after doing that for an evening right. Yeah i go out in the backyard and shoot my both. If i'm stressed i go shoot my boat right now my boys and my wife and we all have bows and we all shoot in the backyard. That's what the family does. Yeah absolutely so. I wanna hear about mussa. I heard that's let's start with that with that monster that that was. How many how many points did it take i I had eighteen points when i drew my tag. I was the high point holder in that particular area. It's kind of a area that yeah we're not gonna say perry name sorry I think if somebody wanted to dive deep enough to figure it out so it was It is public information historically. It's fantastic moves area. But because of our predators in wyoming in the last twenty years it's really gone downhill. But then if you wanna know. More about the predators in wyoming. We had dan thompson on the pilot. Yeah he did Yeah is the but we did. Wolves grizzly bears outlines. And he's dude. That guy is so off. Yeah yeah so we kinda. I started putting in when. I was a kid when i was able to haunt And my dad would just you know. Always buy me a moose tag. Someday you'll get hunt one of these and not about zero me and sam. While we've been hunting together for college. We met in college in two thousand three when we met each other long time now and we finally about four years ago we started talking about like some of these. Well actually Sam sheep tag. The previous year of my moves so we got into. We were to the point where we could hunt some of these trophy game animals and we discussed it where to go talk to some people one guy in particular that he was just elk hunting. We knew him through guiding We we actually guided him but he you know he disrespect all you should see these pictures. These moves that we have that go through our l. camp and so we got to talking about it and and decided we're going to start putting in and just did a lot of research and everybody wants to haunt bighorns or saratoga for moose and that's out of the question unless you're max point holder and so we just did our research and talked to a lot of people and the year that i drew. We talked about it and it was like you know sam how to sheep tag the every forty and said hey you put in this year. He goes this year year. You and he actually had more points than i did but he said you put in and be your hunt this year so i put in we research and research and i finally decided and put in our intro to moose hunting that year it was went over first trip and it was kind of. We didn't do very well on the scouting trips slash anniversary anniversaries. She's see loves thirty three. I gave him one day where they could. He could take her out to dinner and moose tag weekend lucky to be alive. She's a sweetheart she's the same So but we learned a lot of country and we just. We felt like we had an idea of what we wanted to do. And those looser crazy in the fact that when you're cutting in some of those they're standing right there in the willows. Let you write ride right by horseback. But now you get a move stag in your pocket and you show up. And i mean it's amazing how those things can hide all absolutely for such a big animal to and they're big and black like there's nothing. Yeah i don't know how how it works but they. Yeah they their biggest animal in the woods and jet black and they just disappear on your but so we ended up going over mid september. We just kind of wanted to get in on the right a little bit and but we had an idea of what we wanted to do and how to how to move on. We thought sam me a couple. Other buddies went with wherein grizzly country. So it was nice to have plenty of people over there and just definitely buddy system in grizzly bear country. Oh absolutely it's a good idea. Yeah no more than yeah. Yeah definitely to people at all times together and we went hunting. First couple of days just salmon. I and and we talked to some guys over there hunting and they. They were deer hunting. And you know they. They're kind of like. Oh you know we've seen some moose and well. We weren't there to see him to but we found a spot got into mu sign and it was made us feel like we were. We're doing something right and We ended up split doing whenever everybody else got over there. we did. We split up and you know had groups of guys going out this glass and look and that's the key thing like we know you know we've only done it a couple of times but we really wanted to cover some country and just just see as much of the landscape is. We could and ended up On day three that we were there got into some moose and found a really great bowl and kind of we did a little dance with them for about an hour that was wind raise the way in which they. This bowl is really hot. Chasing a riding cow was rutten her heart. I mean so. He was doing the swamp shuffle. he was running. It was wild for a while there. Yeah yeah they went this way and that way we were. We were like matching them. We're four hundred yards away up on this divide and we're like dancing with them. We were just idiots so shook up. The bad thing was we got a good look at him when he was Head tipped back looking at us. He's fifty four inches wide. I mean it was. He was still three hundred yards away and so that just high was rattled. One thing with elk hunting. Is you know we get a bowl fired up. But i haven't seen him yet. So i cannot aero knocked i can be up there and then when i see him. He's usually in rain and i get to kill him. This neyla sneak in and let's get more excited and let's get a little closer and let's get more than you look if you've been goal. Yeah that's a good one that you just keep getting a little more. I think the fact that it's a moose and there's a lot of time involved in getting to the point you can draw tag like i've been doing this since i was in high school. And you have to. That goes in your mind to pressure of having a trophy tag is unreal like not immigrant. This is a once in a lifetime tag almost opportunity. So there's a lot riding on sack like when we see that bowl zags gonna be an old man when you draw the tax drought again so that that plays into it too and yeah just rattled. Were making we didn't make any mistakes But we did some things we didn't need to do we. Were running back and forth and try and we didn't need to do that but we did make the right moves had a. We had a cow and calf come bias at. I mean it was literally less than twenty yards but they were in the lead of the group. There was a hot cow. He was still with down below us and They finally worked their way up to us. I was able to get an arrow in that bowl at fifty yards. Which just like. You're talking about elk hunting. They're right there in the willows. Even walk right by him but when you're haunting them you can't walk right up to Got an error on that poll and it wasn't the best shot It was a little bit back so we gave him. Some time went and found our friends. That was almost another adventure. Just trying to find her buddies because they they got in this big canyon twenty miles away from us and Vork doubt okay because it took them time to get back to us and we went back in blood trail that bull and we ended up pulling out for the night we distinguish country. Remember all this ingredients so we're trying to find him but we're trying not to bump him and we're stilling grizzly country. You're in that do we let him sit overnight. Do we keep press in. What do we do kind of mode like that was a lot of thinking going on there and so we left him overnight and that was. I didn't sleep that night. I we were in the trailer. We have enclosed snowmobile trader. From when we used to ride some won't be holler. It's fancy elena razor in it floors you can wash it out but it's nice asleep in and it's hard sided and grizzly country this huge benefit. Because you don't want to be a burrito exactly right so we left in that night. I think i slept thirty minutes probably and got up the next morning and sam. Unless you've been there agonizing over a shot all all day coulda shoulda woulda second guessing. You know it until you've done that you just can't describe it to somebody you can't and i was sick to my stomach. I you know the next morning we got up and we we did wait for for daylight just a you know. There's no need to go out in the dark. So we waited until daylight and i was just kinda bombed i was. I thought that. I may possibly screwed this up. And sam said of. We'll go find him today. And i in that situation having a positive upbeat buddy i mean 'cause i mean that that can really make or break the end of the hunt start off good. I went out to do the morning duties that morning on my buddies waking up and getting going and i'm kind of a morning consistent guy is let's put it that way. You got a minute camped truck camping and we're right on the road and we're right on the road and this bull elk. I call this bull elk right to our camp forty yards from the trucks. I mean could iraq so it was one of those mornings where he's just like stuff that never apps literally called this in with calc calls. I'm standing in my underwear and called this bull into camps so it was one of trucks around campus. There was one of those mornings. It was like some good gonna happen today. Like i just had a good feeling. How does add a good feeling that things were going to go and so anyways. Yeah that's how it started up. I'll say that was my part where these guys are getting their stuff to get out of that saying call the elkin camp and it was just one of the was like good vibes today. It's going to happen the yes. Yeah that was how the morning starting like you said. And sam kind of we were to the side and you say we'll find this you know just positive and gave me the confidence like yeah. Let's let's do it. We're gonna we're gonna go find it. We've been in a million situations as far as putting and shots. Yeah we've had liver before and so so. We've we've done this. We've waited five hours. We had the six hours. We've jumped balls. I mean we've been huntington twenty going on twenty years. I mean so it's like young guys but you have the experience of your dad's passed down totally being and we've we've been through this and it was just one time i can't say i m looking back at a now wasn't like yeah. We're going to find this ball. But we had video footage. We saw hit. He center body mass him center body little low. But i had confidence man. I see my buddy shoot. Before and we'd been we've been in situations we'd found bulls to go into equipment. You guys obviously before season or paper. Tuning shooting premium know. Didn't get in dialed in. It's not just. Oh i remove agam go two weeks for him by allowing absolutely yeah and i think the last thing that either of shot with a rifle two thousand six so we fifteen years. It's been strictly boning like we. Just don't not that we don't earlier. You know you go shoot your rifle. You're not relaxed and calm after. Go shoot five rounds eddie rifle and if you're telling me oh i'm calling you're not right. You're you've got this explosion a foot away from your face. I'm flinching right. Go shoot my boat. I could shoot my bow till dark. Execute three hundred arrows and just be like. that's cool. Watch the sunset put some good in foam. Let's let's do this right. Yeah yeah exactly. Yeah so we you know. Yeah it's all it's all great it was just you know not the perfect shot and And if anybody does this long enough it's way different than high fat and so we went to blood trailing again picked up everything mark from the day before and went and picked up where we left off it kind of dried up a little bit but we we were in a spot where we knew. That bull wasn't gonna get out of there in this On this ridge that he was on got an old growth forest and he just he was he was. He wasn't gonna make it out of there and we were about two hours into it and an hour and a half of it was just on the blood shells. Slow find here and there and another friend of ours. That came over hunted with us. He just happened to look down off this Little cut and he i was i was the closest one to him. I was probably ten yards from him or something and he he goes he goes. I see your bowl. i don't know what to think. He's icy your bull so landry for me. He says that two hundred yards of of hundred yards on the next level. So i can't hear anything. So i i ll turned to look at him and he come running into me now. I'm still. I don't know what do i do. And he's got the biggest grin on his face so he comes running up and he goes. He's dead he's dead. And so i i only had to walk probably five feet and then i could see over and i could end up. Bowls forty yards below me. Nyc indices big corn sticking up out of the swamp that he's laying in and yeah. I just athletic. I lost the end. San tan was the farthest up from me. And so i hollered and he come running down the hill and the other two Two friends brothers. they come running down and i mean i was just a wreck like i'm sitting here looking at this and i of emotions emotions highs lows of bohannon straight up. Yeah i was always all in less than twenty four hours. Oh man yeah absolutely and back to the grisly thing. Yeah i'm like my mind's not even working correctly right now. I'm just so excited. And but we've had this moose. We're really close to twenty four hours a day that since i shot him and we're in thick grizzly country so saw the moscow from the shop. Not that far at all three not even three hundred yards. Yeah probably three hundred out max. Three hundred or so from where we lost the blood trail where he ended up hitting him would have been low liver shot so he labored in punched all the way through him. Low liberty center of body like it wasn't a horrible horrible shot and i'd say where we lost last blood. He took a hard left. And you know they don't move down. He walked right through a tree him and he literally walked right through tree climbed overpriced six foot of dead fall. And that's where we couldn't pick it up again that's only said to back out so we really started grid. Search we weren't we hadn't been grid searching much. We knew we just kind of we kind of fans around. We kind of had a pivot man. We went about eighty yards away and pivoted. We were seconds past coming back so from weight loss last blood we were like probably sixty yards for movie lost last last blood but it was less than thirty minutes and we were on and found him so the part where i was just excited i if it came together and but when sam came down and he's like calm down guys like we need to check this situation out. We're all still forty yards above this moose and we're in an old growth forest and we seed directly underneath assertion that we can't see because he's you know he's probably thirty foot below us. Would you say. I probably thirty feet. Yeah and he's like we gotta figure out what's going on. Here's guys yeah like. We're all carrying twelve gauges. All of us are came. Start twelve gauges. We're prepared but everybody got it real excited and i don't know if you know yogis gonna stand up and give the i've tried to tell people from out of the state about the bears and and i don't i don't know if they fully understand what we deal with on a day to day what people gotta remember. People don't know is Prior to this hunt five days there is a that guy was actually killed as the crow flies. Very close to where we harvested. I mean in that was within about five days before we got there. This gentleman had got killed. He was there with hunter of his gut. Networking working elk over and the a grizzly bear charged and killed him. That we're pretty familiar with absolutely i left. We left that nasty thousand eighteen. We left my wife freshly heard that news. I said we're going to be a long ways from there. Like the miles. Eighty one came out and legs been killed the mike. What and if we're not going to go into that story. Yeah that's on our mind and we left. A moose lay overnight. You know twenty four hours in marin that that was definitely mind so there's nothing worse than running into a grizzly bear on kill to give kudos to your story. I mean my best bull elk. I made a horrible shot at twenty arts right twenty yards. You'd think no big deal right. I just choked it. And i called in a couple of guys really good. You know guides outfitters guys at work in the woods and we let that bully overnight and it was his country he went one point one miles from where i shot him. And i mean we were. We were down to. He was bleeding out of a hip and was swiping on pine branches. One little needle would have one. Red swiped four foot four foot of every eighty yards. We'd find one red swipe and for a lot of it. I was just tracking tracks in the jijel. That's it and then we lost it a hundred times now. I had one guy out in front with a twelve gauge. Just doing circles as bear guard and i had one guy behind me keeping on blood and i was just in on. I'd have to fan out and take all three trails because there'd be three or four have to take each one to find the next blood and it took. We started at seven. Am it took till five pm to find that bowl. But he's i mean he's shoulder mounted in the house and he's he's working but we we definitely earn but you have to stay positive. You gotta be like we're gonna find diligence. I would've been back up there the next day absolutely do and that's i don't. I don't think it gets done often enough but you have to stay with just like you said like if it takes two days you need to make the best shot right. That's that's number one absolutely but you need to stick with what you've got and and that's what we did and and it turned out. I have a fifty. Five inch moves on my shoulders. I mean guys go to alaska and barely. It's so that was but we assess the situation and there was no bears around. We hurried as fast as we could take care of him in that swamp which is not a very need it needy permafrost today. And it's probably similar to something alaska's it wasn't like water standing on it but as you started on your sunk in yet in lake trying to roll him up he had stuck a lake straight down and moves. It stuck leg straight down in the swamp to get him rolled over was ridiculous. Dig it out. But i mean yeah i mean you guys have worked plenty of elk before this. That's a no brainer. One of these. It's it's a little different tasks horses and horses of the swamp it was awesome cloud. I'm just hooked watching my best buddy kill a giant. It was that was one of the best as it was unbelievable. The group of guys that we had there are it's our crew and it was It was awesome to watch. Zach do that and got it on video. It was epic. It was a fun epic epic trip. It was we're moose hooked some moose hundred sam really he. He became a mousse like he was before. But at that point it was done at this point. He i mean you're you're now out of points tag punch my tag. I'm sitting on twenty two points at this time buddy. Let's let's do this game on for him now. Well let's let's hear your move story so we get out of the mounds zacks moose and legs exit and the cool thing was is. We've taken the vacation. My dad actually had surgery done. So i had to sneak out the mountains a day early with these guys but we'd set this trip up to be in their twelve fourteen days and so these guys were able to like the adventure of we. Don't hunt lot like zach hunting partners but we necessarily hunt over each other's shoulder. Every time we're solo hunters in our own ways. We go a lot of the same places or we'll have a base camp together and we each take a tent and our sleeping bags and we'd go opposite directions some. Yeah i'm not saying we've killed a pile of elk with each other. Don't get me wrong until the pilot with each other. But we're kind of like solo solo do everything so that go on this hunt and to have a crew. We aren't the guys. Have the big walton setups. We aren't the guys that sleeping campers have that that for that one hunt for that moussawi. It was so fun to do that. One time and have beers back at camps and cook the tenderloins back at camp. And i mean i was hooked so fast forward and then we get home from that and these is. They stayed over there a couple of days. They watch that gut pile they knew in grizzlies came in and finally found. That moves took another day so it took forty eight hours for bears to get on that gut but they did get on that pile and they ended up killing a wolf over there. I mean there was a it was an amazing adventure in on this whole trip. So we go back. Next year i put in. We start doing some research. And i started researching adjoining units now. I hold a pile of points for the state of wyoming. But i don't hold enough points to draw those top unit. Some one point shy from the top units at the time and so i started researching. You're hooked. you're now. I gotta go stallion hooked. I am hooked on most. Because now i know that i don't my points and i have a move. Stay like there's no question mean i'm sitting fire. Four and five points higher than some of these units where we were scouting and so it's just a matter of pick a unit and let's go so i started doing research and i dove deep into research and zach and i in january and scout because you never bunch of snow that year so we went over in january and scouted end up buying a horse on that trip. It was an adventure we drug a horseshoe look for a horse. Scott neither came home with a yearling. That's named moose but gonna draft cross or snouts named moose that came out of that country but so anyways we did our due diligence and dove deep. I mean i was getting on instagram. I was finding photographers. Were really well known photographers. And i was looking at anything that i could find. There was a move picture. Then i would ask him what changes they took that picture in anywhere in the state of wyoming and i was marking him on a map. And that's why i started my scout and that's before i'd even pick a unit. That's how i start doing my scouting's off instagram pictures. Where these people taking pictures of these big bull big bull moose everywhere in the state and then i kinda start honing down. And then i started. Picking drainage is and then i started picking guys brains and outfitters and act like i was a client. Did everything to figure out where we could find another big bowl. And then when. I told zaccheus like you know we could go to the same place where zach went or was like we're not gonna lasca like what are the odds me and him you to go up there and you know we weren't rich so let's make this. Let's make this our last game adventure like let's let's pick a new unit for sure and take us to another drainage new mount rain. Let's do it so so what i did. And we ended up putting in front of the unit drew the tag and then it was game on same exact thing we like when i'm going to head over to the twentieth of september. Wait for the rut for some weather. Let's get cool this go on our l. first let's take care of our military. Get our tags field. We'll do all that and then we'll When we get back we get all that done. This moves on so same thing. We loaded up three of us went over at first we got in there and it was a new country. We all split up big country. You guys wherever this ad. Vast vast area that encompasses all sorts of river. Drainage is mountain ranges. everything this area that i saw was very vast anyways we go as far to say it was in the rocky mountains in wyoming. It wasn't a religious. I guess what i'm getting at. It wasn't a unit where you were just one mountain range hunting one drainage i mean it's very vast where you could cover hundreds of miles and a pickup in our whole things like we want to cover country and we have the accessible. I have horses so we thought well we could do the horse thing. But then kinda you know you got a twenty mile drainage or fifteen mile drainage kinda hone into that drain and you have to worry about horses. Maybe listening to do horse. It's every bit of research that i did every road that's ever gonna stab since. Eighteen hundred has been on a drainage around water so we just need to cover these roads. I know it doesn't it. Isn't your typical back country hunt but it's moose hunting and moose wills and creeks have a road with a walk. So that's the we started figuring out like we cover miles and the ruts here. These bowls will be traveling and so so we did. We got over there from day. One was a day. We cut some tracks in the snow and we stopped everybody. We stopped everything. Because how many of those guys. There's only four or five moves tagging news person by on the road. I mean i'm waving out and stop and if you guys have you guys seen when my wife had her tag. We were literally parked two hundred yards away from another truck. And we've done that. We told them. Hey we're moose hunting. We're not even you can have all the we don't care we were elliott. Come running down. And we're both sitting in a meadow waiting for daylight and they come running down the hill up here was i mean. He hadn't found a lady at so he was cruising. We got up there. He's like five fifty five hundred fifty yards and moving. We are trying to parallel and we never did catch up with him. But he's a forty five inch old boy another hunter because they were park. Maybe a couple hundred years. But they're looking at the other side of the medal. We couldn't see and they come help us out which was awesome absolutely. So that's exactly what we did so we were doing that. And that first night we haunted We got some tracks. Actually in fresh no got camps. Set up then we went out got on the walton walton. We are trailer actually crashed in the walton. This time and So the next morning we wake up we'd been on tracks like let's go back. Snow's a bunch overnight that first night and we get in there and we cut this track and it's a big bowl tracking tellers a cow track to and so we start doing the jungle shuffling following through grizzly country. But we're up for you know just dogging these moose never can catch up to him. Cut cut a wolf track. It can lose. We lose track but anyways long story short. We don't catch up that track but is another drainage. We meet back up at camp and he goes. Hey guys got a found abolish look at so we go over there and this all tell this story because this where it goes into bohannon is crazy over there and find this ball what we sit on this meadow for like four hours thinking that this are gonna come and vast metal seven hundred yards across by and a half. Yeah my all the way to the walmart last this long and we only see about the top half of it. But tom are buddies. I saw that bowl. He went in this timber. This rat all right so we sit here and they're going to be back in and they're coming back out impatient but we sit there for about three hours. Let's move down so we can see this bottom into this medal. I know you think you song on these trees but like let's scoot down and you everybody's gotta remember when you've got the pressure of this once in a life and you're sitting there for three hours like this is three hours. I could be covering country and finding another moves. We're hitting sitting here waiting on a ghost. That may never thoughts on your mind so he would walk down this road and we dropped down and no kidding. Geysers one strip you timber you know. It's big yellow grass. All the way around the willow meadows right but then there's strips of thing. Little fingers timber. There may thirty forty eight yards wide. The drop down in the willows. We're in one of those strips timber working our way down. I'm like in apparently in the lead runner lead. And i lock them up and i look back and we've already walked by. This bowl had slipped into that patch timber underneath us. In the last three hours he hadn't left those willows but they were so deep. I think he'd moved around and there. He moved out of tom site. And this ball is like one hundred and fifty yards a stand on the edge of the wills and he's looking up through the cheese at. We're in dr timber. But he knows he saw some. And i see this bull. He's a tank to. He's looking up at us. And i just i literally do just the melt where i'm just dropping down. These guys are frozen. These guys still hadn't seen him freeze. You know but you can just tell by posture. When you're hiking behind somebody in the woods lockup up. You're okay if i'm following you if you're locked up. I need to know exactly so i do this down down. Drop down they were. It takes two minutes to two knees. And i'm out of his sight and start belly. Crawl down this straight wins in my fave whatever long stir short i get down in there and working on this boy. He's got a cow and she's a she's to my left balls about if i'm facing twelve o'clock she's at my nine o'clock. He's probably about ten o'clock. Well the winds blowing at about seven o'clock. And i have pushed my limit as far as i can get without this cow wind me and he's out in front of me. I get to my distance. It's like fifty yards. Iranians know my distance. I step up a drawback. And he's quartering. I'm not. I don't even want to seize corden. I'm going to say his broadside and slightly quartering too. But i still have. I can't use these gordon. Tease broad said usa video. I mean i get it on video and He's standing there and drawback teacup steps. Forty five and i release that arrow to watch it. I hear just whack. And he spins and runs in my era zero penetration. I see all twenty nine and a half inches of that era sticking out of soldier and i can't figure it out and i watched him and we watch him go about eight hundred dollars. Cow goes across the drainage. He'd runs down the stretch for like eight hundred and some yards and never even like just keeps truck and gets to the edge stops looks back for his cow sees ratios and the timber and he goes up in the timber. After and it's evening. And i'm just like no way and this is where it is. It's on guys. And this is the culmination of a whole summer. Lord twenty two points points so you watch so we get it on video and we go back and watch the video and there's a little bit of snow we go back the next morning we track blood and track blood but not for very long like he bleeds for one hundred. Yala's barely lay barely. And i find my. There's about an inch. I don't know. I had figured i saw fly out of him. When he turned her on foot out. Hit was nothing and we watched the video. You could see it hit shoulder on the video benefit of the doubt so this is bone. I'm telling like it. Is we watch the we blood trailing turns into distracts fresh snow so we tracked this bull and we get in this big willow bottom or him and he now has another cow come in with him and we had a third attracts coming. I'm guessing there's another bowl and he runs him off you can see where those checks you see what bedded down for the night. They pick up the next morning. Now we're just tracking because we have fresh and and we track these moose all through the next day all through and he's working that cow he's not they mostly stay in the bottom no just go up and they would go from bottom up over a timber ridge into another bottom bedded down dean crown bed down during the day never caught up to him then they bump up and go up and now they're climbing up towards ten thousand foot cliffs. Yeah at least twenty. Ninety five hundred pass. They went through was. Yeah pushing eleven and now we're like now we're two days into this so we're not even chasing a wounded. I mean yet granted. yes. I did shoulder shoot him. Low shoulder shot him. I can go back and outside of that. But we're just hunting this ball on fresh snow tracks. And so we chase and chase and chase. We don't catch them. All of a sudden we cut a set a grizzly tracks that come in so now we're kind of split up because they kind of spread out about thirty yards in the timber and up percent attracts a salad to cubs on this calf moves track and they start following it and then we got this blow down tim house guys like we're going into lines in like following now because now are two days from when i had stuck him hit him in the shoulder he is. He hasn't bled since two days ago. You know we have. I'm just hunting moose. That's i guess. That's the best way i can put it. He's living he's one hundred percent alive chasing balls you just tell tracks. He's all over the place. Rubs we re get into rubs and everything from him. It was awesome to follow moves but so we went back that day and sat on a big meadow that where they went up but they weren't eleven thousand foot pass on. He's climbed fifteen hundred feet over miles. I mean they've done a bunch of stuff in days fallen tracks and we set up on that metal that night and sat there and sat there for about four or five hours and there was being close evening. I was like that's worked down. Maybe they're gonna come back out but we hadn't seen him. This metal rolled off so we work all the way down that meadow and remember when we got that ed bottom is the timber cut their tracks where they had came down back out of the timber. We couldn't see him because at medal was a mile away and we were glasses as far as good. It was just natural grabbed. Her earth rolled. They came and they'd went lower than us so now they're back in so that moves. I was kind of like man. We've chased. I'm not hunting a wounded bowl. Yes i did. Put an on his shoulder so nothing. Worse than what two bulls exactly. So we re rewind the because it was like barely passed the broad. Yeah yeah it barely so seen that picture of the bull elk. Walking around with a whole time broke off in like through hell. Yeah yeah. We've skin some bowls that have had we. Skin symbols have broken horns antlers inbetween their shoulder blades. In their cage and everything. But i mean yes. I screwed up and rewind real. Quick so little blurb is a finnish story the next day we went to divide that moore said. I'm going to go to another spot. We'd kind of been like this. Bulls alive so tom or other buddy. Buddy showed up. So tom and tony they roll out and they're going to go sit over that giant asian. Wait and see for this bull. So two and a half days now and still messina ms tracks cows and no we have so we can keep hunting. I'm not. I'm not quitting on that. It's just it's this alive. We first he went into another area so we were done for a while but then we did see his tracks comeback in. We'll we assume you know it could have been different moves. Take that back. I mean you're talking a day later but we got three moves tracks coming back in the same patch trees off this giant eleven thousand for pass long story short next morning we set out into the place where we'd scouted in the summer and we drive up this big drainage daylight and we work this big ridge. Nothing we're coming back out and zach. And i are working our way down working away down and then i stop and i look back and i'm like holy cow. There's something down the willows. Put my now my do. That's a paddle. That's a better down the wolves we'd walk went by him that morning. It was just dark enough. We couldn't see this is probably a vast probably three hundred four hundred yards across six foot. Eight foot high willows. And we'd walk past him in the past him in the morning and coming back out that that after daylight talking delayed for an hour hour and a half where we went up a little ovation on those medals and it looks like you think you can see every yes. We're working our way back in the sun. It just came up and it was casting. And i saw some. That looked like a volley ball out there. Like bright bright on the bills. What does i pulled up my. I pulling left horn right there. And i pull up and i was like those are times i was like that's a moose. Paddle ends zach. I'll never forget. I look zach and he goes. That's what we came for like. That's what we came for. And i was like all right. So when the wayne's plough on us coming down this drainage and so. I work on this ridge and the sagebrush zach. It's a camera setup. She stays there. And i'm like i'm going for it. And we drop. I drop in. And he's laying on a pretty big not a bigger stream river bigger stream. That's probably knee-deep and it's probably twelve fifteen foot wide and i'm just working up that stream working up stream walking right in the waters. It was quietest waves dissuading the water. And this is september. Twenty third twenty seconds. And it snowed. It's cold in heck but you don't care like everything's out the window just boots and i'm waiting up this water and i get up there and my range finder. I hit him at seventy four. And i get up to the next bench and i hit like sixty eight yards and then my range finders flash flash flash if anybody has has a like arranged ever hit the button and it's like flashing change your battery. It's probably been flashed me since i was mule. Deer hunt early september. I just before season starts putting extra battery in your backpack. A new one in twenty thirty two buddy smart dollars or two of them that much so anyway. that's great. So flash flashing goes blankets sixty eight. And i'm like knock it online. He nothing. i'm like nicer in my head and like well i shoot. Three's a lot. And i always pride pride myself and no judge in my yard. So i start sneaking in on him and i've had to climb out of the creek and i'm in waist high willows. And i'm trying to ease my way through the wheel and he's bedded better better. You're just looking at one pashtun. Paddles can tell. He's facing his body's running. I'm coming right at him perpendicular so. I'm not walking his head office. I'm pretty much come at him. And i can see both paddles. But i can't tell which side is bodies on is the willows are sodhi by. Can't tell bodies left bodies right and just keep working up working up and get to what i think about thirty thirty five yards. And he's starting to like raise up. Because you can see his antlers getting hires like looking. And i just stop and i get my feet set and then i just start raking the brush with my hands. Start raking the brushing. My hands and i start grunting all about then. You can just see him rockin rockin and he goes to stand up and i come to full draw and i just remember seeing like when his antlers came out he's music good ball giant. Anyone is analysts came. I was like there's no question if it was a shooter like left paddle from agassi. Like seven or eight times on the top holiyays points on once anyways i knew big and bright when he stood up. That shot broke thirty yards and watch the burying turned and ran about one hundred yards hundred and fifty yards wrapped into the creek. And i look back. Zack who's up on the hill. And i'm like thrown up my hands. Like good bad. He not doing anything. He's just running the video. This good like you know. I'm panicking on the shoulder three days earlier and i'm not proud of that. I'm telling it like it is guys. I'm being honest. That's what happened in my other buddy's hunting everybody's helped and all the emotions now the emotions are starting to because now i stuck and i him. I miss other penetration. Buried of the fletch. And i i just take off running back up to zach. That's my best. Get out of these wills. I can smell ovation in the sagebrush. And i need to see and i start run up there and i just why som- drop into their and he never came mike all right all right all right. I didn't know i did. I marched my spot. It wasn't a willows jab to narrow in the willows. So i knew where i was standing. I knew where he was like. Let's work up this ridge and we'll just keep looking down in there. We'll get on that pocket and we'd up there and he's bedded down in the water this head up and on my holy cow there. He is watching. He doesn't move. We do a little video talk. And he's he's not moving. Sneak down there. I think we gave him a full hour. We did we have our watching him. Not move i was i say out. I was like go down. Just he's a he's like we'll time is. Our friend is always what i get narrow and something man if you got the time time is your friend like you know and finally i was like go down there. And he's like his head. I will and so he's all the way down. There will come to find out. He was dead within seconds his when his head dropped. Its propped himself up. He was laying on his legs so he was bedded so called. He was dead though because he died in the uae in the water so head was laying on the bank on the shores was holding his head up and he was tucked underneath himself so we looked at a dead moose for dead on his feet. Was it and going back. Like i was videoing and it was. It's great video. I was just dead steady. I had awesome view of the whole thing. I could see sam stock moose. And after. But i'm looking through the camera view finder so i can't see great But when you go back and watch the video and the shot and him running away it's like you know right right now like. Where is the video on youtube on youtube channel called. I should should've mentioned that you can have a youtube channel called predators. Never quit and so. Yeah we got. We'll throw it in our show notes. Yeah we thank you. We got a bunch of hunts on both moves hans and elkins and mule. Deer hunts and everything on there. It's not professional footage. But it's it just shows what we love to do. And it's awesome hunting if outdoorsman. You don't care that's fine. I just wanna go watch these thoughts now. I really don't care the quality of the film cool because it is. It's both of us. So one of us was running. Camera footage turned out pretty neat and yeah so to go back on that note. I do wanna i wanna make a bull that i did hit in the shoulder so i get home and i put it on a big screen and i watched the slow mo i put it in slo mo and at the willows. That bull sees me and i'm at full draw and he's he's at full alert. Your mind feels like that was like three hours long. Yes when you're you're you're like man. I was full when you go back and watch the film it was like you barely hit your anchor point and the air is coming off you me actually. I'm at. I'm i do hold on him for a while i do the i do. I do some pretty good read. Like as far repetition as my like you know pick my spa breathe. Push poll and i did on him. And that's why. I think i was so fresh and when i got back to as i did not aim for that shoulder. I held off shoulder. I can tell. He had a silver spot on that shoulder. I told these guys vividly. I said i held off of that shoulder. Silver spot. I vividly remember when i put it in slo mo you watch video that bowl sees me and right as you see my arm break when my when my release goes off that bowl turns to look at me and he he rolls about eight inches his whole head everything pivotal and it drops. That arm goes back about ten inches and it puts that big shoulder bone right. Where the vitals are it stops. That aero aero hits so vitally when it stops that the fledging almost comes up and hits him in. That's when he turned aero fell out of him and he didn't do zero penetration. It was two inches. I got the broadhead and a little more in and then it bounded. That was it was crazy but that's to go back on it. That's that's what it was. That was two days or three days earlier. Yeah two and a half days or they're more than that it was it was because we stayed over there and hunted him forever. He was a he was a big bowl like we weren't quitting because we wanted but when he went into the other unit that is when the next morning is when we say all right. We'll just three days. Yeah yeah and we knew anything about us. We send our two buddies over there just in case he came back but he'd completely left the unit to take your own tagline predators. Gotta keep once in a lifetime tag. You've got season. you're there you. And i knew that i didn't it wasn't like i had fatally wounded him where i was. I mean. we tracked him for days in fresh snow and we tracked him just dry tracked and looking to hunt him like and then when he went into the other unit then we were kind of our hands. Were tied and so. That's when we left but we sent buddies over. They're still after him. You know so yeah. i mean. We didn't quit. We didn't quit. And we thought after it and we got another one and made the perfect shot that one up in the water. That was interesting. You know kind of everybody always wants to be like man. That must have been tough. And i've had some pictures on the on instagram. Or whatever people always question it in know. I we take pride in how quick we can get something done and how fast we were so we will a lot of look down in the fall and we're guidance so we're pretty good with knives and That one he kind of like floated not floated but he just everything was clean. So you'd make a cut the hair would come off. I could roll it back. You could cut a quarter off. And i will say we were on a gravel bar. Yeah so it was four inches of water that we were standing in except for where his head was pulled up head. It was up to your knees whereas head but we were. We weren't like you're not dragging this thing anywhere you wrestling match to get ready for pictures. But once we got that on on that gravel bar four inches of water. We're like man we've got extra boots camp and we who cares at that point anyway like my knees dancing around that place but it was And we we've cut up countless numbers of l. So we doing cranked it up pretty fast. Yeah we clean everything. That's what i think is cool and clean. I mean like there was no dirt. Nothing you'd have a game bag ready. Cut the meat off. Actually we didn't have to pack in that far. I'm not in the city. There was no miles. I mean it was pretty easy pack of so. We rolled with whole quarters whole so anything anymore. We try and have somebody there with a game baggy skin. It lifted straight off the ground. That the gonna go home with clean meat. I don't want. I don't need the rest of the forest hamburger that was cool because the water was just like. You didn't like if you like some hair. You know when he did make some hair kind of falls on it like you. Just flip it up there with your hand it was. It was awesome so clean. Everything was cool and we reached our buddies right when we shot him before we give our and everything reaches a you know. It's a satellite communication. Yes texan so. We texted our buddies. We're like hey guys got an arrow in a bowl like he's down like come on this way you know so to giving you a timeframe they were probably an hour from us probably drive but by the time they further. Yeah exactly exactly what they were sitting on that drainage where my shoulder shut that born they were over there and so by the time they got all the way to us to give you idea we had the last load dropped it in the truck. We were out the hill as they're made for. Yeah you guys must drug your feet. Good tight valley response copes in the truck watching waiting got one more quarter this in the warm truck and then it goes right back to that. It was such an awesome night like that evening. We got back as eleven o'clock in the morning. But and got everything back to camp and hung up and we were grilling tenderloins primal about groups of hunters hanging around around the campfire cooking meat. Yup is celebrating a successful Sam touched on this earlier. Is how how we typically hunt one or two man crews logo key and i hung out of a base camp. And we've done this for years. We have a base camp and then we go separate ways we hunt every once a while together would kill pile of stuff together and we killed. There's been tons of stuff where we think of like a meal. There hunt south. You're going to the north. We'll check back in tonight at dark and we ended up most of the time we end up helping each other. Pack stuff out but that whole deal with him with our other friends involved too in the cool thing was Tom hurley. who's here. He was involved on both the moose hunt but then we had buddies that were somewhere online and then another one. Tony was on sam's and just that That camaraderie and you're all there for just like that one goal and and everybody takes time out of their life was the thing and this started people who don't understand. This is the peak of our tree oak season right. Oh yeah twentieth. We all right when everybody should have. We ever exactly so. They're taking time from work. They're taking time from their families. They're taking time from their own hunting to come over and hang out with us you know they're gonna come hang out with them so you oh so much to your buddies and that's the cool thing about it is just and being on you know i've been on both sides of the coin and you you have such wanna get one when it's your Oh absolutely gratitude for those people and then but then. I don't know if i'm gonna say this the right way but then when you're the guy that's just going on the hunt helping i. I absolutely feel zero. Like allstate as long as you want to leave. I'm lucky i worked for myself. I'm self employed. So it's like sam's like wendy you have to be back and i'm like when the season closes partners for kids either hunt style man buddies with the strong backs week wills. Yeah why have horses. That's the It's just like yeah. I'm here for the guys that do the same thing for you. It's just it's hard to explain but it's It's almost more fun to be on the helping somebody. 'cause you feel the pressure of i got to perform and when you're helping you're like man i just i'll do everything i can to help you. I'm here. I found a bowl for you. Now you nailed that. That's exactly right it's the helper helper And i want you to succeed. I'm super invested right. Yeah exactly i get to be part of the trophy photo and be there. But so i i want to be on both sides but i sometimes like more of the helper and be especially. If it's the first time or now that i got my boys right we're gonna do a turkey hunting this spring and so we came up here last year the last week in a season and we had that hail snowstorms we slip in a tent. The tent blue over the birds were all wet. They wouldn't answer but he's nine and he's like dad. We're going to go turkey this year. I'm gonna try and get you. A bird could care less about killing turkey. Yes stuff like that. That particular hunt with hailstorm and the in your tent with your little kid like cooked hotdogs marshmallows him him and just add always going to remember that. That's the stuff that like. i can remember being. I have two older brothers and my dad would take take us. You know you got to elk hunting. Finally when you were able to elk can keep up you can go. Yeah and but i was the baby. So i got to go way before i could because it got to the point where my mom started a little bit and so the whole family would start to go. Well i was eight years old. I mean i was a long ways from being able to hunt but nobody was around to watch you get to go hunt. And she's like forget that yeah i. I don't remember anything from my except for certain times when we were hunting. Things that Particular things that happen. We're hunting in. That was just in sam's got picked. His dad's run around here. He's got pictures of sam when he was four riding on the back of the truck. You know when he's guiding and that's the stuff that you remember. This kids is that. That's what made us we've talked about. My dad's huge into fishing right and i didn't get to go deer. Hunting tells like fourteen with my cousins out west. We lived on the west coast and we come back to utah. Colorado visit family. And i can remember i was like fourteen. I didn't even get to pack a rifle. I didn't have a tag. But i was getting to go with all the uncles and cousins deer hunting. I was up that whole night like just. Let's go fishing. I could care less about patrick. He's overlooks come up sometime. We'll go fishing together. At least somebody close. I want to ask about something. Because i mean i have really good friends that i fish with. And there's just something special about having a buddy and being able to share those moments I have a really good buddy of mine. He came down one summer. We went and caught some giant brookies and hear him hooting and hollering from his float. Too while this burki towed him around. This mountain lake was one of the coolest things ever so talk about what that's like for you too because i mean that's that's something special Yeah like all this. I'll jump in i. I'll just go back to like Zach zach when he stuck his first bowl with a bow. And i'll tell it's a quick story but we were up in the mountains and it was in middle of the afternoon hot when nobody else's hunting and we were just sweared eighteen years old man. And just that's right back. There never quit. Like i'm always not that we don't take breaks in the afternoon and we don't take a nap but at that age at eighteen year on the mound. You had a friday saturday sunday at friday. After work saturday sunday we get a lot of college user and but i looked back as experts hunt. And i'll never forget it because he edmund bowen at all that was his first everything hunting. We get in the timber. N- elkin he's like what can pay their above us in the timber. I do not know looking back. I don't know how the thermals weren't just ripping right at but we're on kind of a bench in the timber and they're like eighty yards sixty artem. Yeah unless in the trees bedded down. And i might sneak in there and he sneaks in there and nobody does this heated about this on born and raised on youtube. They're calling and milk now. We're sneaking in. In black timber bedded bulls like straight up. Our learning curve was rough but this is first stock and he starts sneaking in and crawling crawling inclined. And i'm watching. I can't see the zach and he stops and he crawls all the way back to. I'm talking like he's there sixty yards. He crawled thirty and he cross back to him and he goes. He's been down. I don't know if i can get a shot. And i go far enough away. We couldn't talk converse all hand motion. Give him the walk with two fingers. Hand signal drawback can shoot the sob due to thirty yards. He gives me the pittsburgh it down. I can't get a shot. I give him the crawl up there and trump can shoot him like you thirty yards away already there. He crawls indian crawls back in their thirty yards draws back and all. I hear is walk in timber breaking in the right here drawback again in iraq and i'm like holy galley safran sidestep to left. And there's a bullet everybody's shooting your blood trail. He shot the ball stood up. Turn give it another shot. He dropped second. Shot dropped crisscrossed in his first stock. I i everything and to see that amount of emotion you talk right there. I'll never forget that day. And it was unreal. The watch my buddy who. I'd we met in college. The you know the fall before. Now let's put. I got a spot. Let's put it in for elk. You know. I got this great idea. I've been hunting for three years. And i'm hunting since fifteen. This is awesome. My mom is a drop from the mountains after football games. Come up on sundays. Like i couldn't even drive and i was bonin. That's experts that happens and it's a three by four waghorn and we look at those pictures and we're just grinning near funny thing is. There's a three twenty six six bedded right next to him that he couldn't get perfect shot. So we smash. Is this cared about antler size. It wasn't about that it was about the never. Never forgive zach. Just like he's a shaker. Zach shakes so when it is prime time you watch his knee and it'll bounce a stable and i'll never forget that watching him sneak in there and he crawls back out and he goes out nerve created like he goes his bed. And i'm just like you were just thirty of like watching that emotion in his face that i hunt and that's just twenty years later you know. Nineteen hunting seasons later. This last fall. I was in the mount and we'd split up i was down south huntington mule deer country in he was up here tastes and elk mule deer in one of our spots that we kind of scout it on a whim and found some elk and anyways i in reach meshes that killed a good one zacks very humble season. That best friend. He's the most humble person ever. And i get i get a text message. Shot a good one buddy and right away. i'm just jacked. I'm ten thousand feet dawn chasing hulk. I'm crushing back. Seen a lot of animals. I hadn't gotten anything and we'd like now like i like to fill out now. If you talked to anybody you hear about us do you guys atkins done simpson. I kill giants. I just like i like to shoot a freezer so it might be september first. And we're done but anyways i get this mesh i killed a good one buddy. I'm a cowboy. He's like oh maybe three forty. I mean my holy cow. That's a great great bull you know. And i don't have service so day and a half later i get out of the mountains. I give them a call and naming is three hundred and sixty inch. Ball is my humble friend but to hear his story from nine hours away over. The phone is just. It's like i'm standing right there. And it's your best friend. Kills a ball and i wanted to hear every single like what did you step on. What did you do this because yeah dude. It's your hunting party and your best friend. There's there's nothing better than hearing that story from them or being there with them to to to take that moment is watching actually moose youtube video. I luckily i'm rolling video. Add edit maybe a few cuss words out excited but if you watch that youtube videos act shooting his moves you guys see the raw footage on his face in the big bro. Hug we give each other and there's tears rolling apple is because it's just it's a combination of so many motions and all the years putting in and all the scouting and taking time away from people's works fam and my dad was in the hospital fighting heart problems and there are so much emotion. I'm interior not thinking about but the aren't yet. There's nothing better than having that one. And i have my wife. And that's that's that's it too. Yeah i'm experiencing a three year old right now. That's coming every experienced that hunting partner like that and how my wife. I'm so like you. Same thing i got my wife and i watched her shoot a ball. It's on video. You guys will see that when she sticks and she hits him forward and i'm not going to last you cut his jugular. He runs out and he falls down in thirty yards in piles up and it's a giant ten and a half year old mountain bowl on opening day in that hunt children when she was eight and a half months pregnant she killed a bowl or bow on opening down on the box up to see her emotions there. She's shaking and she's got a huge pregnant belly tennis shoes because her feet or so swollen. She's in she's wearing ten p and q t shirt and leggings because nothing else fits one of my p and q t shirt. Because he's got an eight month on building she's hiked a mile and a half into the public land is stuck up on opening day. But yes so. I got about two friends with my wife and my best friend and i watch. I've watched i've i'm very lucky to have a wife. That does that. And i'm very lucky to have a best friend. Exact to see the emotions on both of their faces been. I've got to sit back. I've got to be the guy watching that. And i've i've caught some of video that get doesn't get to show laney laniado to show her m pains my wife but my daughter-in-law should into see her mom hunting when she's pregnant with her and get to see uncle sack killing his moose in that emotion caught that rhyme motion on. There's nothing better long. I mean that it's cool and i'll Just kind of talk about that too as far as hunting partners and so salmon. I actually met through a mutual friend. he knew sam and then i met him once. We started college and he invited us both on a bear. Honey yeah actually. It was You know he called me and a friend are gonna go just. Maybe we'll look for some bears tonight so so we did. I went along and we just dow's first time we ever met. We just got to chattanooga and it was kinda like You know love it. I say the same into we love to. Do you know like i knew right away. Like did this guy likes to hunt. Nobody's ever done that before. No there's i've never met a person that likes this stuff more than i do. This is going to be holy smokes. Like and i'm thinking the same thing do this. He's jacked up about going. Baron like nobody's fault bear hunting with tear. It was terrible but we did point out. But that was just like holy cow. And then you know Just you know your friendship grows. And like you're talking about you watching your buddy Do all those things. And when you're in the woods or on the lake or any see that excitement and you're so excited form or more And you know you have to have that same. I think you have to have a level of. It's hard in the woods with a hunting party. A and then. Sam talk about like the bull. I killed this year and he wants to know everything. I stepped on. We've hunted in and then you you hunt so long together that like we are so same because we grew up you know we. We learned how to hunt to what he's going to do next january. He knew what i was thinking. As i'm telling him the story and he's on the other end of the state from me but he knew what i i knew what he wanted to hear. As far as how how the hunt went down. And and that's just that's you know. I can tell the story to anybody but like when i he's asking me questions. You would ask that you know like you wanted to know what was going on in that particular moment time and that's just that's cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah we're lucky to have a hedge. Because i always use podcast guys like. How do i find a hunting park. Can't find hunting party here. This you hear this question. Come up on instagram stuff. And people are just like man. You guys are unlucky because we run a pretty tight crew. There's about five. There's five of us buddies that hunt next not my wife. Just my like my and my buddies. There's five of us that have hundred together for like like seventeen years. Now i mean seventy just a little bit long shorter than you and seventeen. Eighteen years where we've all been applied for. We applied for tags with each other. But we've all been seem similar camps and everything we are bose together. We hunt together. We talk these stories to each one of us hunter with each other individual and we got this crew that we know i mean me and zach are very similar but then we got this this this band of guys till almost seventy balls between the less and less seventeen years. We've been very very very lucky to run with a group of guys like you see that that that saying that iron steeper iron sharpens iron. And i feel like that's it. We push each other and it makes us better at everything we do. We're ever these competition between us. We all go out shooting together and it's made us better and it's it's a great group of guys i wouldn't trade them for anything that is look back and i'm like man i feel sorry for people that don't have that because our our group is. Yeah exactly you got a tight tight group of guys that pack out of eating. And i know there's guys like there's guys that are bigger and better than us. I'm not saying there's guys are animals in alaska and the hills canyons of oregon in idaho salmon river country. Don't get me wrong. there's guys are bad dudes. But i guess what i'm getting at. Is we got a group of guys. I feel so fortunate that we hunt and we run with each other. They'll pack anything out anything. We killed good stuff. We know how to tune bos. You're right there for the other guy. I mean you're a phone call away or you're right over their shoulder helping them and you're having so much fun is it. We went on a we. We went on a mission. this fall. our buddy. Tom killed a bowl calls. Us all got a bowl like and everybody was just like argh what when and where are we meeting. Let's get him out you know and and it just ended up you know. We all rolled up the mountain together to go help them out. And it wasn't a long pack wasn't a hard pack in there it was. I mean all five of us was enough guys on a on a single in. That's easy for us. You know but it was just like we had so much fun liquid bouncing just excited just absolutely snow but to get in there and there's the four of us that walked in and tom's there you know and it's just like we're the highest five talking. Running is is miserable when you get into the nuts and bolts over that mussa in the shoulder and you you haunt for ten days see stuff. You're up early in the mind. Can you guys out you know but you work all year to get the two to go. Do you see. You're gonna go hunting but it's a lifestyle. Yes but one is a lifestyle so like yeah i mean everything we do is revolving around. Bow hunting family. I i got a wife and liberal take care of and then it's blow hunting like straight up and so yeah. It was in that culmination all comes around to when you finally lose loosen that arrow and then you get to join and get to do that. Pack out there is. I mean that's the grammy's can super bowl can give you grief but conditioned all right. That's the best. Yeah you know you gotta have somebody that can take a little bit. A ribbon right. He's shoot a little ball. That's the fun of it when you get that camaraderie and sometimes you gotta take a little. Oh yeah you do you do so. Yeah it's all it's all in good fun and that was zack. Tells about that hunt or that pack out. That was the first time that five of us had been together at once. Four of us at don four of us four of us three of us to first time that all five had been together on one. Pack out of take that picture that night when we got back to the truck. You know it's midnight. We take that picture. It was such a cool feeling that he had done the anti hundred. See that photo right. And they see the dead hand they see the dead and they see you smile. And they don't understand that that's a culmination of twenty years of friendship. You're more importantly gonna look at that photo twenty thirty years from now. Remember when we did that. Do you remember how kids kids look at zach here. They look at this. Elkin uncle tom guy. And you guys straps. I can show you the new truck or the big fancy house or what. But when i show you one of these photos that especially the ones that i suffered on in on one comes to mind is my brother and i slept in a cave in alaska when we both killed our dall sheep. The next morning rain water was frozen. Three guys split one mountain house for a night. I'm starving in a pure misery but you loved it. I loved it. When i show you that photo on like that was pure joy that i wanna do that again. just wanted to say i see you guys are more than friends your family. That's one of the things that i think that the anti-hunting crowd anti phishing cow doesn't understand. Is that when you spend time in the outdoors like that you grow to be more than just friends your family and your brothers and there's nothing that's ever going to change that and that's that's something that's so cool. Our sports is truly have a brotherhood and sisterhood. I mean the hunt together about it and it's that's what makes it special. He has to get my wife on hand and get her talk. She's very humble and she's very quiet but she she eats it up. She loves women to. It's not just a guys thing. I mean that's where i'm from my little girl. I mean it's it's all the cool thing is that since his wife payton does love to hunt and so and then i see my little niece laney and just the excitement and like today. There was deer in their front yard and she was. She told her mom that she was. She was going to shoot them like she's gonna Wrecking malti girls. Going to you wait. I'm sure she'll be live adequately auctioned tomorrow but that's the family thing that she's involved already. She loves just you know is. That's where mom and dad so i've got. I've got four little kids. My youngest daughter is an avid fisherman card core. Snow slates sleet. Rain doesn't matter. She's out there and and she's like dead. We need to go fishing. I need a few more master anglerfish. She's doing that mastering thing. And it's just the coolest thing you're going to. You're going to get to see just that development of your daughter doing that. It's such a cool thing. That's nice guys turkey this year. We're going to try. He's he He was on the podcast here. Not too long ago. Kids come on was so much fun. It was great to listen to that took him. He's like i said he was moose hunting with my wife and i aren't. My oldest is hunter. That's his name really. And then we got drake terry joke but i mean he was. I got pictures of him. Three years old. We're up elkhart. And he finds a five point shed. We took that five point shed home and built a hat rack. It's in his room right. he doesn't even really remember. he thinks he found it. But yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah. But i got a picture of him asleep in the saddle. His mother forced me to put bicycle helmet on him while he was in the mountains. That's fight all capitulate. But you know. He was on the podcast. He's going to be nine this year. He was on it just the other day. He went cow elk hunting in december with us. And he's like dad. That was fun. I want to do that against him. And then we went up when calvin for the day right gotta cow and he's like that was curled up in the snow has no sudan. At first. he didn't want to ride the horse. I took two horses and when we parked australia where i could see cal. On the hill above us is not. This is not a difficult hunt guy surya. But he's he's walking the first couple like buddy. Why don't you get on the horse. Like nah i don't want to. He walks about another hundred yards in six inches of snow. And he goes cadad- the horse now at the end of the day. I'm glad you brought the horse. I bet but you'll get those experiences and just you know you definitely have to check some expectations. You're not taking seven year old. I'm going to go shoot your trophy move. You're not gonna be passed and three hundred inch bowls and say we're gonna find a four hundred inch bowl but i'll tell you what having my wife shot. Her moves with him in the backpack. Right and having your kids be part of that experience and checking expectations and today. We're just going to go hunting. We may not get anything but if you can just critter sue binoculars i mean that's gonna be the memories of my dad took me and it's like i tell my kids i'm like it may not be the you know the day that we just slay the fish but you're outside you're with family. You're enjoying the fresh air. You're enjoying this experience. There's nothing better than that. And so just enjoying enjoying every day for what it is. It's a gift you know. Yeah just experiencing that because you don't know what can happen the next day. You may have an injury where you can't go do that stuff anymore. You got to enjoy every moment you know. That's that's why. I like david with better. You never missed the moment you know. It's like good trophy below. Kids grow up so fast man like my oldest is eleven and i don't know where the time went like. I seriously have no idea and pretty soon. She's going to be out of the house. So i wanna make those memories as much as i can't encourage you. You know make as many of those memories. i will do my best. Definitely mine's nine if he's going to leave the house at eighteen. I have nine more hunting season double when you already. Yep yep that's goes quick. It goes fast. But i wouldn't i wouldn't trade a four hundred inch bowl for i'd rather go shoot a cow. Well and have my boy with me to go shoot a four hundred inch bowl and leave him have slightly guys. It's been awesome. Having you on the podcast thank you. Let's see what you guys do from here on out. Yeah predators never quit. Tell us tell us. Tell the listeners where they can find all right. Well thank you. The website is www dot predators. Never quit dot com instagram s. davis to five zero six. That's my personal one which that rolls most of my stuff and then predators never quit. Also i do have that incident page and then predators never quit on youtube. that's awesome. thank you guys while. We're really glad that we got the hang out with you. Guys today. to here at the bank is going to be a lot of fun A good weekend k. More for the boehner's wyoming. it's awesome. It's it's a great event you gonna meet some. There's some legends. That need to talk on this. Mike more than you need to talk to zach. There's guys here that we look to the nobody knows it. I mean yeah. People know a little bit of on social media. There's some guys here that we look up to you. Here are stories but their stories trump rs one hundred ten times more. I mean well. I had a blast. listening about. Hunting was pretty awesome. Really arguing look forward to see where we go from here. We'll keep an eye out. We'll put it in the show notes so listeners can move right over and check your stuff out. I'll say is asks. Got instagram's accurate. But he is lame on you. Prefer more pictures of him on my social media and there is on his own so he's calling me out. There is accurate and fired up little bit. All right. thanks guys. thanks for coming on

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #62: Randy and Candy Yow from Extreme Desire TV and Ladies Hunting Camp

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RadCast Outdoors Episode #62: Randy and Candy Yow from Extreme Desire TV and Ladies Hunting Camp

"This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by pk. Lures bo spider and high mountain seasonings. Sean rad cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red. Cast outdoor here are david laurel and patrick edwards. Well hello and welcome. everybody. I'm david maryland. We're in the bow spider studio. You'll have to excuse patrick edwards. He's not with us today. We sorely miss. You patrick. he's out and about enjoying the outdoors. So we'll get right into it. I have randy and candy. Oh here in the studio. Hello and welcome guys. Thank you thank you. that'd be here. So what brought you all the way to the studio today. A guy named david merrill. No we live in oregon. Apologize for that right now and we won't hold it against you perfect perfect but then you're my whole life actually so it was a great date at one time but things are starting to slip a little in my opinion right. We're all entitled to opinions exactly exactly but no we Do the general elk tags here in wyoming and we also had a couple antelope tags. We decided minutes. We're going to be here anyway. We'll put him for antelope. Got them burner points. And till we did the al-qaeda and then we went and shot a couple of goats and had a great time. Well i got take a sneak it at an elkin couple henlopen you've got some fine representatives for the st l. We have one so love to get out there absolutely so if a listeners don't know we've had random candy on before and talked about kind of what got you guys into the outdoors and what you're doing now. Let's let's get an update on what's what's new. What's new Not a whole lot new. I'm just is homeless. People now sold their house building the spring probably but when lumber prices come down a little bit exactly other than that knows he'll hunting and all weekend much as an got perhaps coming up and also will i seen a couple ladies. Hunting camps went off this year absolutely and they were fantastic this year. Say we were totally full. And we're looking at maybe four more next year including kids hunting camp perfect. So where are those being hosted at the moment if people wanna try and get in. Yeah so currently. We don't have it completely set but we're looking at the second or third weekend in march in wickenburg arizona Just because we have no more time available in the summer and then we will probably do a long range Advanced rifle camp somewhere in june and then in july we'll have a youth hunting camp for both boys and girls Some of the boys are feeling a little left out. And then we'll have our regular ladies team kim in that's going to be in fort. Rock oregon and the long range is going to be in sheridan wyoming with the weatherbys cracked awesome. Well we were glad that weather here in wyoming. Because they're they're very welcome in our state. Yes and we're glad you guys are putting those camps together and and you know that's kind of the mission of this podcast is hunting and fishing and everything in between getting families and youth and women and even just older guys in the outdoors and so seeing other people that are trying to promote. That mission is really neat to you. Know i've i follow along a little bit on your social as far as ladies hunting camping. It seems it's almost a cult. Following those women come in and join this brotherhood so to speak right they get welcomed into the fold. It's neat to see pretty cool. It empowers them assist cool for us to see the success stories or just hunting stories even not successful successor to them because they've never done it so many of them have never even entered at all you know and others have but l. come together and they make great friendships that they can ask the lifetime and you know what it's like. The first is september even into august. Some of the envelope punts. And you see like that's when you wanna get on social media to see everybody's success and that's so cool because it empowers you to go out and try to get the biggest soccer the biggest bowl or whatever just gets you motivated. What really gets me going to watch those women who have never had success and when they do. I mean there was probably five or six that have attended in last two years. They've got their first animal this year and to watch that is really cool and i want to bring up I mean that is that is awesome. But my my thought while you're talking about that is you know randy i come from the outfitter world right and we've been in that and it's all about getting the big six point and and one-upmanship and that's kind of the old guard a little bit you know little bit newer hunters coming in about the protein. It's about the meat and that's not to say that in the old days we weren't about to meet right but i've noticed a trend of guy pulls into a gas station and there's a spike in the back of his car or a doe or whatever happens to be and you hear people say well shouldn't you let that one grow year or that one's got milk on their their trophy shaming. They're they're they're putting somebody down for harvesting that animal. It's not right. Because maybe you don't know that i mentored a kid and took him on his first hunt and he got his first animal and so now his first memory is. I did something wrong now. There is a tiny little bit of room for trophy shaming if your neighbor every year shooting a forward horn deer and in the backyard you could kind of say if we let that deer mature a little bit. He's gonna put on a couple of fifty extra pounds. He's going to be better at adding to the gene pool. There's a whole bunch of positive things for doing that. And we won't get into that but you know if your neighbors that the guy that every year goes out shooting spike elk for twelve years in roads. I hey let's let's try and one up the level here but whether it's a youth or lady or woman or even old guy guys i hunt you know if you pull into the gas station. He's proud of it. Don't that's not the time or place to tell him silently now side. Sam kill some great bowls and boxes and so on and so forth but my fun time is when i'm not trophy hunting. I just enjoy it so much better. Like i call in a bowl shot this season. Just just shot of nice five point us. Happy app is alert. it's like last retrofit. Hundred in had a great tag in utah. Passed up tons of ice balls. And i never did my tag i did. I had my opportunities tons of opportunities. But i kept looking for that. I just was looking for that giant and it was fun but sometimes you get caught up in that you know the score in the size and so to me. I don't know i. Just sometimes it's fun to go bein. Over the counter tag and some state. And you don't expect to shoot nothing but a rag warner five point or whatever. Just have a great time. And that's i mean that's unit specific and that gets down to having that knowledge and background. And like you said you. Drew a limited entry utah tag and went with an expectation. If you had that same expectation on an over-counter oregon tag. You're going to be sorely disappointed every year but even here in wyoming there you can go hundred miles one way to another with different unit. And you're going to go from you know four hundred potential in bowls to you know if you see a branch antler bowl. That's that's your trophy so in. That's kind of why i started bow. Hunting is a a door a cow the trophy with the bow. It's fun yep but it's more fun because you with that bo you have to get to rifled distance where you're lethal without rifle and figure out how to get ten times closer. It's you get into that to three hundred yards and from two three hundred yards to twenty thirty yards. A lot could go wrong. And we're right here in the high season so tell us a little bit about your bull that you just harvested general season tag. We pick a spot and start doing homework up there. We found a beautiful place camp right near the correct so we had tons of water. A beaver pond. It was so exciting. Sometimes that the camp atmosphere can be almost even better than the actual hunt under a few days and day for a called in the first day we call it. A bullet came right. Yeah the candy. They're pretty close but ended up seventy five yards. And i'm just not quite capable of shooting the seal the distance and that didn't work so well we've talked about that actually back in in even now guiding women can be much more rewarding because they they really don't wanna egos gone right and it's they don't want to push that envelope if if there's a a huge bowl standing at eighty two yards and they're capable at fifty they go. I'm not. I'm not trying to write and sometimes it's almost maddening especially if your guide and rifle hunting and here's this monster two hundred ejb at beyond their range and you're like but but but but come on it'll so but i- kudos that you know we do need to be responsible unethical in our in our distance and everybody's lethal ranges different. It's right yes. So we back up. And i put her on a wallow venerable while they're getting hit so she's cited sit there and i went off and ended up finding balloon up on the ridge and ended up calling. Three of 'em down to me and the biggest one which was the five point the other for just rag horns but came right down there and got the thirty yards and i just couldn't take it no more so i shot him and then the crazy wife over here she decides she's gonna she's got a pack a quarter of an elk out and she's not really designed to do that in a lot of ladies are not and she's not a anyway. She just overdid herself and ended up taking a face. Plant going down the steep miles out and her back really bad so she spent hobbling so we hobbled her back up there the next day and going to go get another load of mate and i called it the bulletin tour and twenty yellows and bees. Because he's all bruised up don't work. She can't get her bobak. He's at twenty yards and he finally catches her movement when she does whatever she does. Get back let you finish that. So so he was at twenty. So when i started the wall of the day that randy shot his bowl i'd ranged every tree and had everything in my mind exactly if something came in because the adrenaline sometimes won't let you range and so when i get my bobak i have a torn rotator. I never got operated on. You know years ago. So if i tweak it it's i can't get it back and we didn't take the crossbow which is legal in wyoming Because it's kind of a relic around but Anyway so when he saw the movement he ran to the secondary which i had ranged thirty was actually thirty two and he was at the brush pile behind that. So i shot thirty. And he when we actually ranged from where he was standing. It was forty. So i missed him but just and it was just a little rag worn. But you know what i would have been happy with that especially in my predicament. Say when i fell. I was going over a down tree and at a quarter of an elk on in had the momentum gone and caught that edge and just face planted. That meet hit me. It was like so so. She's still harbor and so we went antelope Now for that and got a couple of decent a little cheap even as he's having a hard time to get her home maybe take her to a doctor. I'm not sure a lesser person would have just called the trip and gone home. So co no no no no. I think the day after they heard it. I think we've put in seven miles. And i think the least well angela. Punts haven't been that much because we're trying to find him but were still putting in three and four think. Our slowest day was a four mile hike. So you know but the hiking is good for you. It's the sitting in the bumpy trucks. And the turning and twisting and load so. I'll be fine. Well what got you know. I i know ready story and we. We've hunted together before and we touched on this a little bit last time. But what got you into the outdoors. Oh my goodness. I think just life. In general i grew up on huge ranches. And so i mean basically cowboy for a living most of my life But hunting season was huge. Lake the two biggest times of the year. We're branding season when everybody came and helped your brand. It was kind of a big party in the knicks. One was hunting season and until i started hunting. My job was to get on my horse bareback. Because we didn't have saddles and ride miles and miles. Twenty thirty miles a day to find the bucks and i thought it was a hoot into run the poachers off. You know the people 'cause it was private ground to run them all and so that was my sister's his job and and you just basically that's what you lived on. You've got one beef a year. And whatever else you harvested so like he was all about. That's what he did all the time. When i was like cool i can do that. And we've just had a blast. We've had so many adventures. It's not funny. It's it's neat to see an amine again. You guys shot some really nice antelope and obviously had fun. Chasing okay. got plenty of protein to to take back home. And so this gets me to ask each one of you. What's your favorite recipe to cook from from something you've gone out and procured if you're going to cook for somebody coming over you know what what's something you really enjoy cooking and preparing and how do you cook it. Well that's pretty easy. I don't think it matters. What animal whether it's helped deer antelope We cut our stakes. Basically as you would've tried tip so it's more of a roast with like. I'm fairly rare and we season them with mountain seasoning. I'm outside mountain seasonings. And my new trick is i am so in love with. Have you ever tried the hatch green chilies all their amazing so you just layer that on top two and flip them once cut them and i mean it is amazing. So that's my favorite. I love cooking on the trigger in fact now that we are homeless and just live in our trailer. That's the only way. I clicked because it's too hot to cook inside and so everything's on the trigger and everything's with the seasonings and chilies. I mean i make cookies pizza. Whatever you want to say on the trigger and that's like an oven goes i love it. It's all outside. You don't have to worry about the mess. And so that's amazing. And i'm not sure. What your favorite recipe is but if we have a company that's fine. That's all right. You guys share favorite recipe. Well she has. She does a lots a chicken. Take a bunch of nothing in chopping into a million pieces in stir fries and different things blazing how good it is. But like i say. That's that's my go-to guy saying you know. So t's be taking like traeger over. So i'm going to ask you both the same question. You can answer it individually as you've taken obviously a lot of varied people hunting randy and what's a couple things that you know. You've just some similarities. As far as being successful in the field that you've seen that would help either other mentors or other people wanting to get into this sport in just to be successful just say awfulness. Confidence is everything. If you don't have confidence in the matter what's your hunting fish. I don't care what it is. You don't have confidence. You're probably not going to be successful. You don't believe you can do it. Probably won't and i just see that the lease camp stuff presets at the girls is like get confidence in your bogue confidence. Your rifle get conference. Listen you're muslim. I don't care what comes with practice. It comes with practice. It comes with getting knowledge but believe you can do it. Even if you have little knowledge and stuff you're gonna gain it and you're going to go out and you're gonna make mistakes but even if make a mistake brushes off and go again for guys. Seems breezy i mean. I know you do the same thing you blow on a bullet. Let's do that again. I'm done a million kicked minor. But way i go so i do. Is i count the next ten steps. And i'm saying this is my next ten steps to my next bowl. I just have to walk away here. We go count and ten. And then. Then i'm i'm on the next one and it burns. I mean that working time and energy and go wrong with you know. I think especially for the ladies. I think it's a little harder for them. To in their mind is brush it off. Thank but so confidence in whatever you're doing in all your life got to have confidence way you're doing well i mean we. We don't learn if we're successful. That's all all my biggest learning moments have been when i've been successful out whether it's for his apparent or as an elk hunter annoy successful but the the teaching moments are when when that bowl hit barks and runs the other way. Because you went the wrong way up the ridge when the wind was blowing the wrong way when you knew you check it like i'm just gonna up pussy edge. It'll be alright so how about you can't what are you. What have you seen coming into this. That other people could benefit some tips and tricks so i think right now and obviously with ladies hunting camp. I'm working with a lot of people that don't know how to hunt there. Wanting to learn that her grow up on ranches clauses exactly be not urban but definitely not. Some of them are urban. actually our first camp. We had a lady who had on and she totally hated gun. She totally hated. She wouldn't eat meat and she was a single mom with a seven year. Old boy in his goal in life was to become a hunter and so she came to ladies hunting camp and learn to high in. It totally changed her life. She got a new mexico bowl. And i believe a buck the first year and was able to take our little boy on the hunt with her and know totally changed her life and so i think education You know i think education and the ability to have someone that inspires you and keeps you going out there in motivate you. Because it's not easy. We all know that i mean. Obviously this trip kicked my hiney but We had a ton of fun and we saw a lot of really cool stuff and you just got to keep them going. And i think that goes back to what i said about like. I'm not a huge social media. Because i'm kind of old and really suck at it but i love watching success. I love watching it and inspiring them and saying you know. I think i wrote this week. I think i wrote you made my heart so happy. Probably twenty five times and we didn't even have service so those are people who have never had success before and now they have it and now i think they can continue to go that self reliance piece is once you can you know and it is a little intimidating go from how do i even procure. Meet to then preparing right. There's there's a couple of steps in there that's like you know how to take care of it. I mean but it's it's knowledge it's experience you know. Okay you cut your first year up a little wrong. It's not ruined. W just see how smaller stakes. I had my my nine year old and we we hunt grizzly country and he came up to camp just for an afternoon dropped off some supplies and he said data. I wanna stand up hun hun elk with you. And i haven't really pushed him into hunting. And this new generation. They're they're really into video games and computers and for him to be like an i. I kinda i felt bad. Kelly told him no. And i said you kind of sprung it on me buddy that now he's going to come up and spend the night this weekend and we're going to toot around on the four wheeler and stay out of his country. You know i just out. It's got me thinking you know. If he wants to go next year. We're just gonna move camp away from grizzly country. So that he can he can go. And you know if people on a yell at me one way or the other. We've had four grizzly encounters this year already and i. I don't wanna try and be responsible for a nine year. Old wall. Tried to watch where the grizzlies are. So that's why we will. We hunted behind it out of the grizzly country. 'cause candy last time we're up here. She's just got tired of fighting with the grizzlies. So she said no more aggressively kind of me and we can go for hours on the say in the abuse. And what's going on with grizzlies and we. We have previous podcasts. If you guys are interested in that you can go listen to one of the previous ones. We won't get into that but just you know the cliff notes is there is a night and day difference hunting country that has grizzlies versus hunting guilt country. That doesn't i will agree with that. I'll work harder. But i mean even we've talked a little bit about antelope and mule deer and it's one thing that came to. My mind is as a hunter. I get to see the sun. Come up almost every you know what once in a while. I take a camp date and like to sleep in but you know getting to be in these high alpine beddoes or by a lake or up on a ridge when the sun comes up illuminates you know it. Just you. don't get that playing a video game. Don't get that you don't even get that at home. Inner city or rural if you're if you're playing at the park or in irrigation you just don't get that same are inspiring. it makes you feel small. It's pretty cool. I can think of a million different places. I've been like it's just so cool. You can't explain it until unless you've been seen it is hard to explain to people what they what's out there hearkening all the way back to the i hunt you and i went on a main we. I got invited up to your guises builder camp after meeting a bunch of the lupine crew and we had to get hunt that year we killed some awesome bucks but we had a bunch of wives and kids in camp. I mean i. I don't remember how many people we had. I think we killed twelve bucks right in a week long camp. Yeah we have our jerk. Camp is there in oregon. Is family deal pretty much. In fact we go opens october second. So we're going to get home home a week. Turn around and she has a deer tag. I didn't draw this year and then a bunch of the kids have tags. And so it's gonna be kind of a mentor. Taking the kids to go on an hangar brothers got a tag and another lady from ladies hunting camp. We're taking drew the tags so she's never killed anything so we'll see how that goes. Those are the best hunts in my mind to watch the kids. Or like this lady who's never harvested an animal to watch them and be with them when that happens. We've got nine grandchildren and one great grandchild now and to watch. That is really amazing. That hearkens back to. It's a heritage that we're passing on passing down downright overused in this industry and and well played out. But it's it's well played out for a reason right and randy in our kind of lucky that our dads kinda brought us up in this right but you know now we have the opportunity to whether it's grandkids or neighbors or single moms or friends. It's i mean we've last couple of years we've taken different hunts know Like a renoirs. Peggy and she's had double hip replacement and see. You can't get around good but she drew this incredible tag and in utah late season hunt and i hadn't put in for a tea. Drew it by accident with virtually. No point took her back. She shouted great almost killed her. But what are we gonna do down in the whole night. You're going. I said i'll pack you out. I mean you're going down there a bowl you're going so she did and she was great. She got a great bowl and we helped another friend our great bowl as bow and then mentor grandson. Last year and then and then randy's youngest daughter shasta hadn't been hunting in years because she's been mentoring of her children for all these years and she got down there right at daylight and shot a beautiful and then fifteen minutes later her send got on. You know that. I mentored so that step that means more to me than me harvesting an animal it really does. There's that natural progression with was every hunter. And i've seen it. We can talk about either bear. Hunters or whatever's it in all its it starts with if we just use we'll disused deer hunters as example. Right it starts with. I just wanna get eight year than patrick. And i have talked about fishers the same way. Then it's i wanna get a lot deer dear dear but you get on the back side of that where i just either wanna see deer or take somebody and experience through there is for the first time because once you've gotten lee dear the first one and then once you've got lots of deer and then once you've got the big deer it's like no no i just wanna go go hunting and and watch the sunrise and yes i and my might trophy. Ladder are my trophy level status of hunting. The barometer of that is the freezer level if the relatively full. I'm going to pass the cow or the 'cause like my archery tags any elk right but if the freezers empty to me that that meat is it really. Is you know. Primary number one. We'll be having dinner here and a little bit. And i'm sure high mountain seasoning will be involved in in one way or another earth. I know i've had people killed them. Big bowls i mean. I shot a four twenty. One time he will he ever gonna beat that. I don't really care. If i beat that and i don't i don't even think about trying to be a competition or do i care i'm not i don't hunt as a competition at all in fact when people who to make a bet. Let's do these bats like. I'm not betting on. I go hunting to have fun. And i just not into like challenge just you and god and the animal you know and it's just the challenge of it and in that i mean like the buck that i shot today when we'd seen a couple pretty good ones not allowed couple pretty good ones and i don't know just something about the way that he handled his heard and and kept the other bucks off and and everything else i just connected with him and it was time but yeah. The antelope was a great time. twenty wyoming has a ton of them things tannen. We saw a lot of antelope and we had a great time. So it's it's neat to see the progression right from beginner. Eat little kid going with grandpa or going. Mom's going ladies hunting camp just to learn and you know. This isn't a hobby. We've talked about that before. This isn't i mean this is a lifestyle this is this is i mean. I am an elk hunter. I'm a father husband right. Those are not mutually exclusive. I guess you can't pull one piece of me out and say oh we're going to get rid of the other two. That's just not who i am. And i know it's not who randy right and once you get into this brotherhood I mean for lack of a better word. You don't have to be a guy it's it's a group of. What can i help you. and you know. That's the nice thing with ladies especially the ladies camp stuff. They are not afraid to ask questions or is have a tendency to not want to ask a question most guys anyway and we have this image or whatever it is. We've got a. I got up here to no not at all and so that's what i love about. The ladies are just they. Just ask anything cool so it should be and i wish you guys could do that because it would help them in the long run but as bad as anybody. I'm sure oh if if you could talk to me fifteen years ago into hunting the way i do now then to you know how many more how much more successful i would have been because i used to. Just go running across the woods. I mean and you couldn't have told me any different. Because i knew it. Yeah yeah you never stop learning. You know if you stop learning. You might as well quit. Because i've said that several times as as an elk hunter to elk always have something to teach you know whether you learn it or not is up to you right right now. It's like tell everybody so many good l. callers out there nowadays. I mean we have some great calls and different things. Incredible callers but there's not a lot of good killers and got to know when to do what at the right time. It's just how it works. You know still still to play the winds. Still gotta know the train and and you gotta know what to say and win you. Just gotta learn that from loon up. I screwed up more this week. That i care to admit but we've had. We had lots of boll screaming lots opportunity. And we're we're going to. We're going to get back in the woods. Get outta here shortly. But when i'm glad that we're we're here checking all this out. I wanna talk about one of our sponsors quick. You know talking about in all the fishermen or the hunter that just wants to get more and more and more will will segue into pk. Lures which is one of our sponsors and their little startup wyoming lure company here. That's now grown quite big and they sponsor us and we're appreciative of it. But if you're the fishermen wants to get here. I fish a lot of fish or a big fish or wants to help somebody get a fish. Pk lure has a allure for you. So check them out at. Pk lure dot com back into just hunting theme and the family theme in the atmosphere. That's kind of how you guys. I see play off each other. It's the the old soldier here. That's done it and then candy that's come in but come from a you know your your ranching farming background. That's what you just had deer. That was just the way it is but to see you guys bring in these people who an reach out to people who don't have the knowledge and experience but are willing to learn is neat to see these camps starting to really cause people are craving this knowledge right there right and once they come either a camp like that or you know you mentioned that we've got all this info now. When when i first started. I mean north american hunter put out a book called elp talk. We didn't have anything on it. We didn't there. Wasn't even youtube when i started right right. I'm significantly shorter in the tooth that you are right. So don't try to pick on you but that's all right but even if i can remember back to it we just had to kind of figure this out. Yeah when i first started katainen colin talk. And i've made beagles all these little whistle tube things i could slide him up and down and make the sound. Sounds kind of like an elkin. There was no such thing as l. calls. You know nobody had no call. We made our own little things and it worked you know I certainly got a lot better. It's gotten too big. It's getting a little. I don't know clicky as far as do you drive a forder twelve. I don't hang out with guys that drive dodgers you get out art camp. It's like i'm pretty sure i can take. I actually have a antelope horn l. Call and killed a couple nice bowls. It's just a solid read. Cut out of a typical man. Your father in law had a custom call maker. Make it for me. But you don't have to get fancy and get the brand name this or whatever you know you can. You can start out pretty simple. A couple of cal calls in the right. Meadow is all you need or you know even then sitting on the right wall just sitting patiently toya. There's lots of ways to harvest a mess for sure multiple options and see what works for you. There's definitely an a whether you're chasing any one of these species. There's a little bit prep and thought that goes into a hunt right. And can you break me down into you know. Connie your different prep of. Let's say an antelope punt and anelka. I mean you've got the just the pounds of protein on the ground difference but you also have the the terrain different so you know candy if you wanna give me what you'd set up for an antelope want than randy. You can give me what you'd set up for cotton some of the things to think about before you leave the house sure so. The antelope plant obviously more desert terrain And not near a steep still two miles. I think the the biggest thing on the antelope punt is. You've got to find the animals we do on all of them. But you're gonna have to cover some miles. What we found was that most of the water holes that showed on the next maps were not didn't have water this year. And so you're going to have to really travel and do your research and we're sitting at like fifty percent snowpack halfway through the year so it was. It was dry year but you did mention onyx. And that's a that's a tip if nobody if you're new to this just take that write that down right now and go look on the internet. What on x.'s. Always have your on. Exxon boys. So and i not as good as he is. He has his on all the time. And it's perfect because it can tell you where public land is a container. Private land is it can tell you the terrain till you if you're in the right unit exactly hopefully. Hopefully you don't do that one so yeah. I think that was the biggest difference. There is is mostly the terrain and it's just a different style. You're going to have to put some miles on whether it's in your buggy whether it's on foot or there's in the truck to locate the animals and then and then you're going to have to put the and the antelope were beginning to get in the rut and so it was a little chaotic at times when you had three or four bucks fighting over her it was kind of fun to watch tar to get a shot with very very hard. Yeah so yeah. That's what i kept saying. That like a really good cutting horse. I i would say that was the biggest difference far prepping for i mean just obviously not a big and heavy as nelken so it's not that hard to pack them out of there Back in her once again. We bone quarter stuff out. outturn woods. Normally these were close enough that we could get a vehicle but then four or five hundred yards and ties us back from out. Hold back at camp so it depends on where you're at elk. I just rarely rarely have that opportunity. Think i've ever seen pearl and once again it don't matter what your antelope hunting or elk hunting or whatever you need to prep practice with whatever you're going to be using a rifle or bow whatever type of back to that conflict you got to know that your stuff is working properly. What are your limitations. And don't go beyond him. Yes oh learn your stuff you know Obviously you're going to be an elk country if you want to be more successful to get some sort of shape i mean. It's just not easy in a where we were hunting. It straight up straight down. There just was no option. Besides that i mean so. We're leaving the ranch your hunting public land which is where the live. I mean you you gotta go where the oak live and it's not it's not all down but as most of it is. I mean this is is. It's not easy normally and once you get this big critter down in all you need to be prepared to take irving better learn how to you know. Debone melker to quartered up. And you know how to put it on your back. And carry corrado time you need to keep the cool while this out there in the woods till you get back to camp where you keep it cool again and i mean take your stuff you know. I mean it's it's real important. You spend all your time and effort and that meat is incredible so don't waste it. I'm really big on that. I just i like to get every bit out of it. I can and pick the bones apart. And i take all the meat on editor is for sure. I think he has given given some listeners. Some some places to at least start getting some knowledge right youtube how to cut up elkin youtube or you know just there's forms ask questions game bags. Dis what knife to use these are basic questions that you and i we all just take for granted some take for granted and throw them back together and putting this end and i go while i need my knife my game bags and i need a little pair and i need x. y. and z. And away i go and we'll y in you need to justify. Why are you carrying all this stuff. Why do i have on x. on my phone why do i have all fifty states on it. Because well i'm gonna be hunting whitetail in one state and i went and hunted mule. Deer in a different and last year was hunting. Dall sheep in alaska. And you know by the time you get there. It's that on x is how did we hunt without before you know. I mean we did it. And i still by maps. I still have paper maps. You know topol maps in my pockets. Because i can have a bigger picture of it. And then i can go to my own accident so between them. Always have a little map. And i i started with the map and compass. But i've quickly transition do i pack anymore. I don't pack paper maps. I've got my paper maps my. Gps is my phone but airplane. Mode and go. I put way too. Many pins don't go stealing my onyx math and look at where spots guys all right right but it has opened up in a back in the day you still have to study a map to find access to maybe a little square miles of state ground. And now it's blaring outlined on onyx says go here and it's a little bit you know when when i'm finding people in spots that you just didn't find people in before because it used to take hours of research go. Hey look you can go from here to here. So i had across. But that's we. We spoke a little bit earlier about you know the summer doing a little bit of both spider work. I had a couple handicapped. People buy our product or get our product and it was really neat to see. Because i didn't start the company or product with them in mind not that it was unintentional or intentional. I just wanted something to carry my po for me. I'm being a little selfish here but it was really cool and really neat to see these adaptive. Archers take on both spider like this really solves a problem that i have as a bow hunter. When i'm in your hands kind. Use their hands for something. Whether it's a chair. I can walk in and now it's so it's it's pretty cool. I mean we've put them on tracked. Wheelchairs we've put him on regular wheelchairs. We've put them on in guys missing limbs we've put them on headrest trucks for it's just it's cool to see and so would you gotta plug in most spiders service and they are. They are cool. But we're gonna keep doing some of that kind of stuff and hopefully i don't. I don't have any ambitions of starting a boho. Bo spider hunting camp. But maybe we could help you guys years a little league. We'd love to have you come to. It's a i- kudos for doing it. 'cause it's i know there's a lot of. There's a lot of behind the scenes. A lot of late nights to get prepped and ready for just from the outfitting side of you know you got hunters coming to camp and all the things that have to get done before they come. And they're they're paying thousands of dollars most cases that come on for a week. These these ladies are not getting charged thousands of dollars to come the ladies kampfer week. So i know there's a lot a lot of love and a lot of volunteer. That goes behind it is. It's been great. You know like say we got the four camps at the two. There's going to be to cancer. Just the regular camps were the basics. Thin have that advanced long range rifle camp whether and shared in and the other one is a youth youth in self-defense. Doing that This year we're just gonna do the long range trifle And advanced rifle last year. We did self self-defense. We did advanced pistol in self defense and in self defense with a pistol with circles and that was totally amazing. When you do our tree. All of altered compelled. That would be awesome if somebody wanted to get a hold or i mean maybe donate or support. How do they what who. Who do they need to get a hold of. And how do they get hold of them. Yeah say you can just The website is just ladies. Hunting dot com. And that's probably the easiest way to shoot me an email and then i will contact you right back Or that's probably the easiest. If i give you the email address it probably won't go over so just ladies hunting dot com. I mean it. It's kind of the name says it ladies hunting camp. It's it's an all inclusive how to pitch a tent how to skin an analytical start a fire how to you know these are things two hundred years ago. We didn't have to learn because everybody lived in a tent at least out here. So it's If it's a it's a fun time i'd like i say yeah. Check it out on the website and on get involved and candy message for him on social media where on instagram and facebook so just leave hunting camp perfect. Well i'm gonna make sure that we get the rest of it covered. And i think i wanna thank you guys for coming it. Oh it's been spent exciting to have you here. We're going to have to go eat a little bit of. I'm sure it's something wild game you know. The wife's in their cooking with some high mountain seasonings honda with high mountain seasoning has been really really good with us. You know that's a standing company. That has a great record and they have some great products. Do when we're packing in hunting. And i'm not gonna say that just because i'm sitting here with you but i don't go by any of the package stuff. I make it all myself and all the seasoning uses mountain seasoning from the me to the tomatoes to the watermelon. Whatever we take it all in ourselves and nuts it's good and healthy and it's i mean i'm i'm not going to go through their whole line up but whether you're a fisher or a big game hunter or just a weekend barbecuer for everybody for every dish and they're they're good. Usa made company. So that's why you know. When patrick and i started the podcast i really didn't want to be commercialising. It and just trying to get any and every sponsor is like no let's get. Let's get sponsors. That are you know companies. We wanna work with comprehensive product. We believe in. And that's just it's it's part of that whole atmosphere of that's kind of what we've done ladies camp to you know we like have quality people to work with the work with us and the sponsorships staff and it's been great. You know because we have loophole weather. Being bench made knife company and traegergrills and You know post like the x. And they believe in what we're doing what we do one of the things that i always tell them as if they sponsor even on a lower level if they have someone that works in their company. That doesn't hunt for instance. The first time that we asked loophole to attend the camp. I said just send someone. If they don't know how to hunt she goes. Oh my gosh. I have this lady. That just doesn't understand it and it's really hard for her to understand when make the product so we do. Because she's never hunted. So i said senator free of chart to sender and boom. They were in because now. She's an avid hunter. And whether it be did the same and lots of them have done the same on to the same. They sent three ladies two years ago three years ago. I can't remember because kinda mess outta but the thing to the hemingway. We kind of touched on this but to really put it in perspective is hunting is a dying tradition. If we don't start passing on if we don't really show people because we are the minority if the majority tomorrow decided that we weren't going to do this anymore on this continent it would be gone. But it's like we talked about being in we can. We can go through the science and the data and or the emotional lashed but it all boils down to this. Activity is is beyond is not a hobby. It's not a sport it mean. It's a way of life dancing and so we definitely need to promote it and preserve it and protect it. And i'm glad to see you guys taking a lifetime of experience. Kind of just. Disseminating it into a consumable product in ladies. Hunting camp right. That's that's what it is and kind of passing the tradition on of. Why do we do this. You know you just touched on wall. Somebody doesn't understand that why they're doing what they're doing and why. These sportsmen are willing to spend hard earned dollars on a good usa made product will in hawaii. I could tell you this was told to me a long long time ago. By an old rancher in eastern oregon. I showed up without any binoculars from my very first bow hunt. I was fourteen randy ahead a pse nova junior with a single composite limbs and aircraft cable for strings right. That's just the way they beta back that little little tidy round wheel at. I didn't have any binoculars. And he told me. Gruff hold rancher. He said you know if you're a rifle hunter without a pair of binoculars. You're half hunter. If your bow hunter without a pair of noculars you're not really a hunter at all your bubble right by bubble little. I mean my bow had a max of. I think i had a thirty. Pin was my bottom pin twenty. There was significant arc. From what i shot to the bail. At thirty eight didn't stick very far in the bail. And i don't think i had a whole lot of success but those initial trips bow hunting over there eastern oregon for a week just sleep out in the stars and getting up and watching sunrises and seeing animals close i can't i can't replace it and i can't put it into words to describe how instrumental impactful. It was on a young man. Right right because i was raised pretty urban. Let's i'm not gonna lie. I'm not going to sugarcoat it now. Not urban anymore not even close but but like you touched on there As far as it doesn't even it's not even about the hunt. We have one little gal. And i've known him forever brooke smith she's amazing And she came to ladies hunting camp. Let's first or second year. She worked for les schwab and drove the trucks and the very first year she had to. I didn't even notice because i was so busy. Checking ladies and and getting them going. There was about four or five ladies that came that were pulling trailers and they didn't know how to back them up so she taught him and every year since then she's come back and she teaches how to back your trailer class but she has hunted the same as i did basically on a ranch on hasn't had a ton of success and she started a blog the very first year. That's called more than a hunt. I think that's the name of hope. I'm not messing that up. That lady is so amazing. She'd never shot archery and she learned archery The first year at ladies hunting and the next year. What was the one she won. She won a national championship for the archery town. Total airdrie challenge. I mean she's an amazing woman but in her blog talks about you know. She went elk hunting for two weeks and she saw one. Elkin was not within range but every day she talked about everything that she saw the sun. Rise probably five million of sunrises. Because they're all you know there are inspiring your gorgeous and posted one on both spiders instagram. This week it was. You can't and and the photo known you can't but it's the little things you see all day long and and her blog is amazing so check it out brooke smith more than hunt and but i think that's it and i think that's why the women are going crazy. It's not just about the harvest. That's the ultimate goal ultimate goal. And and if you to invite me camping and say we're gonna go hike a peak and take a picture. I'm i'm mildly intrigued. If it's off season. And i'm caught up sure right but if you're going to invite me to camp right and stick a tag in my pocket even if it's a unit that has almost no chance of success all hike that same trail camp in that same spot hike to the same peak. Take the same picture of whatever we were going to take. And then i'm gonna stand there and look around and actually immerse myself in nature instead. Turn back and go back to camp in we're done absolutely and there's there's a deeper level of connection with nature versus a one come camping for the week. It's a hunting camp and camping or two different things. And it's not you were just getting to the point of it's not about the was the harvest right now at the core it is. I mean we. We all want the meat and we all want to be my barometer again. Helpful is the freezer. I'm still gonna go. I'm still going to have fun to freezers empty. Well we better be working on felony. The freezer's full you know what. I'm just going to enjoy that. That small heard with that small little satellite and wait for a different one share. -solutely good times are randy and candy. I think that's been a it's really been. I'm glad you took the time out of your hunt to come come by and share ladies hunting camp and share your experience here in wyoming and i hope you come back soon at us for sure thank you thank you a.

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #42: Late Season Ice Fishing Tips and Tricks

RADCast Outdoors

34:19 min | 7 months ago

RADCast Outdoors Episode #42: Late Season Ice Fishing Tips and Tricks

"Sean rad cast is on putting fishing at everything. In between this is red cast outdoor cure david merrill and patrick edwards back again for another week with rod cast outdoors. We're in the great old new red. cast studio. Getting some episodes churned out or you guys and pretty excited to be back Obviously you either if this is your first time here. Welcome if you're a returning listener where we're glad you're back and we didn't scare you away the last couple episodes and we'll keep producing more of this and we wanna thank the sponsors that we've got picked up for helping make this all possible. It's been really a cool journey to have them on board and we're going to be doing a give away with some of their sponsors stuff here shortly so check out our social media for that but you know. Pk lures and and i. I had not heard of them or not. Use them before Patrick could introduce me to him. And i'm a i'm a believer. I have a couple really nice fish caught on. Pk lures those pk's are awesome. So definitely go out and check them out. If you use the promo code rod when you buy one of their spoon kits you have to buy one of their spoon kits to get that. But they'll send you a free pack wyoming blades so definitely go support them that pk lure dot com and one of our new sponsors is high mountain seasonings and david meyer big users of high mountain seasonings. We use it all the time and we've been using it for a lot of years and i'm doing wild game or whether i'm just i i got a couple of bottles now next to the stove. Nowhere cooking beefsteak which is very rare. Or if we're looking for jobs which is a little more common or having even just elk l. Cameron and they have they have so many options and their sexy good company right here locally so get on their website definitely order you. If you've never heard of of high mountain seasonings you know. They have some small couple out shaker bottles. You could a couple bucks a piece you can buy a couple of different flavors. My favorite is the hickory burger. Like if you're a big fan of hamburgers like i am you just take that hickory. Burger seasoning and just sprinkle it on your patties before you throw them on the grill. Oh my gosh. Those are really good. And the other day i did that. You live like david We did some racks of pork ribs. And i took the garlic rub garlic and black pepper rubbed. My favorite one is good. But i bought one dollars huge bottles of it because we use it a lot. I put it on their let. It sit overnight and then smoked them and slow cooked them. Oh my gosh. It was delicious so definitely go. Check them out. And then fremont stoneworks We're going to have some glasses out there that you guys are going to be able to see on our website. They do a lot of great work. again mike and his company. It's a they do signs and glassworks hall all married the sizes you know if you wanna give somebody a wedding anniversary gift or a birthday gift or a new home gift or just check out their glasses. He's really doing some cool stuff in their stone. Sandwiches really awesome in. You're helping support. A veteran owned company. Which i think is awesome so definitely go check out fremont stoneworks dot com and then last but not least. Both spider is also one of our sponsors so definitely go check out both spider if you're a bow hunter or if you like shooting in those three d archery shoots or any of those kind of things that require a book you definitely gotta have a bow spider because it sure makes your life a lot easier transporting carrying anything that you need to do with that bo. Definitely go check out. Both dot com helps sport. David's business as well so You know talking about businesses supporting and getting ready ice fishing. Yes good ole ice fishing. It's late ice right now. Which is one of the best times to go ice fishing. Why is well. It's kind of interesting cycle. You know when early ice comes on. Typically the ice fishing is really good. The fish are really responsive especially to like jogging spoons and other things like that because as as a trails safe from predators above the air. They know they really can't get through. That is is that part of it. I don't know if that's part of as much as it is like a gigging spoon is very similar to like a dying emerald shiner and typically in the fall the emerald shiners will go and they'll make their run and they start to die off in the early winter phase. And usually you're predator. Fish are pretty keyed in on them anyway. And so if you can imitate those things like with the pk flutter phil show their bear on a note carcass in october. Kinda like that. Hopefully not on you right. I've decided patrick that I i'm okay. I've settled and made my piece someday. I'll be a grizzly bear third. What oh don't me. It's going to be a very quick very violent ending. It will definitely be that around to to witness at least go. Hey david guy man he he put up a fight at least for the first half a second but now these fish keyed in i mean they're very predatory especially early ice and then that kind of kicks back in the late ice and what happens is as the water starts to warm up kinda mid winner a backup a little bit midwinter. It gets a little bit. Slow the doldrums of mid-winter a temperature cooling down the fisher still capshaw but they go deeper you know and so they'll go into the basins and they'll kind of hang out in that deeper water and that's simply because that's where some of the warmer water is now as the ice starts to melt off and the sun starts to really get going those fish start to move back in shallow and that makes them a little bit more susceptible to you and digging spoons and different presentations. So you know one of the things. I definitely want to talk about for late. Ice is safety. You know it's just like early ice as far as there's a little bit more risk involved you know you're you're dealing with and this is a little bit more than early ice but the the edges get really soft on the lake. Now the mill the lake you may have twelve eighteen twenty inches of ice but right there at the edge you may not have a whole lot. In here in wyoming. It can be especially dangerous because a lot of our reservoirs you go just a few feet out onto the ice and you had to drop off and you could be standing over. Twenty fifty eighty one hundred feet of water depending on the reservoir inflaming gorge probably over one hundred feet of water not very far off the bank boyce in not as much. But you definitely have that to factor in you. Don't wanna fall through the ice in. If you're taking kids you need to be especially careful because they can fall through the edge of the ice. The other thing that's kind of important to you'll have pressure ridges that build up all winter long especially here on boylston like that water. You know you get those sheets of ice pushing against each other and you get some pretty massive openings out there so out in the middle you may have twenty inches of ice and then open water and then twenty inches of ice because this crack is opened up and there's a bunch of water flowing through so you do have to be especially careful but the fishing can be just absolutely killer at late ice. I know a lot of people especially like me. I don't i don't particularly like fishing in the mid winner as much just because it's a lot colder. It's just a little bit more miserable half the time but as soon as it gets into that late february early march those fisher a lot more responsive and they're pretty easy to catch one of the things i like to do so i like to get you know about a half ounce flutter fishkill upsides just a little bit and go target. Sp- lake trout various species because they're fairly aggressive and they're usually fairly shallow. Usually i can go anywhere from eight to twenty feet deep and beijing. Those at just absolutely hammer them go from about eight to twenty feet. Be rippin that spoon up and down so you lift it. Let it kind of fluttered down. Soon as it hits the bottom of you know if you're right on the bottom or the bottom of your line where it starts to suspending in you. Just rip it again you keep working lower. It's really fun to watch the sp lake or the browns or whatever you're fishing for come in and crash that lewer and i mean just laid ice just a phenomenal time especially if you have kids and it's safe and you can get them out there. You can catch a lot of fish really fast. It kind of reminds me of our last episode turkeys right those you can. You can put a jake. Decoy out a female n. Decoy and those bigger. Tom's will come in. And just make that decoy. Just kicking beat the crap out of it right. And i like when you get. i guess. Easiest ways deception right I like to deceive the elkin thinking. I'm another l. collected deceive. The turkey elect to deceive the duck. I like to hunt or fish where that's all fishing. You're trying to deceive this fish absolutely biting something and it's and you have to be a little strategic about it right. You can't just take a line in a hook and go catch shadow on the columbia. Oh yes you can't but you know you. You gotta get a worm. And sometimes they're not targeted in the worm. Sometimes they're at twenty feet sometimes or eight feet and you you just have to keep this trial on air going and going and going until you find those secret spots you don't share with anybody and if you're lucky enough to go with someone don't be blabbing about what we used to where we were first. Jewel fishing patrick as we don't talk about where we fished with patchy announced their kids but no in all seriousness. Like one of the things that you really do need to think about is like david saying deception you want to imitate whatever they're eating Another thing that typically works well at late ice is if you can tie on a tungsten. Jig that's imitating like a fly or a larva. That's coming to life because that's what happens when is starts to go off. Guess what all the bugs start to come out so especially in trout areas like here. If you have like i liked chick the stomach contents of it. There's it'll it'll tell you a story and that's one of the things. People don't realize how predatory trout art because they'll eat just about anything. They eat other fish. The wall microscopic plankton bellied at all. But what. I like to do in late isis. You get a jig. And i like to tie these but like the gold tungsten head so it's nice and heavy and it gets down there and just do it with like either freshwater shrimp pattern or a nymph pattern. Get it down there and start to work it up off the bottom or kind of mid water column. Those trout will absolutely hammer that thing. And you'd better be hold onto your rod otherwise it's going to go down that whole spent all winter not eating much and now there's a buffet starting to wake up in the lake yellow perch at the same way they will come shallow A lot of the fish will also do kind of like a work their way into the inland of the lake. So i'm not telling you any specific spots but if can find where the inlets and the outlets are especially late ice you'll typically find where a lot of the fish start to stack up and people are like well. Why is that happened. Well it's really kind of basic that water starts to really melt over in that area so you've got to be careful but that's where a lot of the life starts to happen because there's not such a big thick sheet of ice over it so a lot of those you know invertebrates in different things that are coming out of the bottom muck on the bottom. That's where they start to come up at and y'all sav minnows working their way up in their well. That's reminiscent of duck hunting right. You don't just go out in the middle of ocean lake and put your gene. You find a pocket or an edgy. And the ducks. Don't wanna be in in the cover where the predators and get them. They don't wanna be out in the lake. They wanna be right on the same thing with elk especially growing up in pacific northwest hunting and timber country. You know you. didn't you know. find elkin. Old growth timber huge big ten mile section patch of it but the out in the middle of the clearcut there right between the two. You all the time know same thing with you. Know fishing you find those nooks and crannies and those like that ice sheet you talk about open water ice. I know those fish like to hide under the ice dive out. Get some food in open. Water divac high back under that ice again or a reed bed or some sort of structure cover you know. Think of small mouth bass. They're going to be around a log kinda in the log. they're gonna shoot out. get something to eat. They're going to go back well in. I know we have over a thousand listeners. Just right here in this area. Like the casper riverton area and a lot of them early season. they're looking for wally. Well what are the wall is due. When i starts to go off so i can tell you. Exactly what they do they start heading upstream and they start finding those bars and gravel areas so that they can spawn because walleye spun in march and april. So if you're looking to target those fish so as an ice fisherman laid is what you're going to do is you're gonna look around you're gonna if you know that body of water you're gonna look for the staging area next to the spawning grounds. So if you know where the spawning grounds are you're gonna look for that staging area that's getting close to that and what you're gonna wanting us because these fish are hungry is something that's going to attract them something that's going to get their attention. There's one that i haven't used yet. But i'm really excited. Pk just came out with this rattler bait. So it's a listless crank bait makes a lot of noise. I bet you that through the ice over in one little staging areas for the on ramp respond. I bet you could wack those walleye. Pretty good with that. And i'm going to try that this year but i also know in rivers rate below dams the walleye elsom move up in there so that would be another good bait to throw in that kind of situation but tool to put your toolkit. Oh absolutely and you know. I think you know you talked about this. On the turkey episode and a few other episodes. You gotta think about what. The fish are needing at that time. Most of them are in need of some kind of sustenance protein. So they're going to be looking for stuff and they're going to be a little bit more on the aggressive side so you can use bigger digging spins you know pat. O'grady taught me this a long time ago. He took me to body of water. That had lake trout in it in the spring. Just as the ice went off and he would cast the three quarter ounce. And one ounce flutter fish which you can throw really far by the way you know. It's a heavy loor. He would throw way out there he would let them sync he would rip it and let it sink rip it and let it sink and next thing he knew he had a twenty seven twenty. Eight thirty inch lake trout on his line and those fish are extremely hungry and they see that come in and they're like man. I'm gonna crush that thing so they come. Ou hit your lion and just about rip the rod out of your hand. Anti-kadhafi number of big rainbows. One we were fishing on that trip a lot of stuff. So there's a lot of different things that you can do At that late ice time and it just as the ice is coming off to really capitalize on some of the best bites of the season. But i've noticed this dilemma. In the hunting fishing industries where eighty percent of the big game and eighty percent of fish caught by twenty percent of the fishermen. And i i went with a guy steelhead fishing and we took a guy that never caught a steelhead before we took him like four weekends in a row and we got on. We were on the south. Sandy i will give you that. One won't tell you exactly where on the river. But we're on the river and we're fishing Some structure and we were dead drifting just cork in eggs in the boat. So motor up. Turn it off. Let the stream pushy down and just cast out and the all three of us had similar rods real similar wait lines in a we all three put the same glow jigs and hooks on. That guy didn't catch one once or twice. We saw him kind of hook up a little bit not set the hook in time and we each put seven steelhead catch and release in the boat. But i have talked on the podcast before you fish forty hours for steelhead so to go on one afternoon have seven on was a big deal as a big deal is awesome but that was only two of the three guys in the boat and the other guys with john weapons. He's just a steelhead. He's three sixty five. That guy's fishing steelhead somewhere. But so if you're out there. John hey just gotta shout out But you know same thing with elk hunters you can take an elk. Hunter that hasn't hunted that area and put somebody that's been hunting that area for year after year. If you're not been successful took me a lot of years to get my first elk with moment. But once you learn the technique of the rod the the right retrieval speed on the lewer right. They'll right saddle to go. Sit in the right wind to move right once you figure and start picking up each one of these tools and some of those lessons are learned the hard way with a blown stock or sure. A lost forty inch king salmon. So those lessons learned the hard way. So you know it's a lot of fishing is feel it's instinctual. There are times where. I don't know why the but i do and i've got the fish on. I don't really feel a much. I just have a sense that oh there's something not right. It's almost like you know. Oh there's something going on here and you just instinctively react and if you don't home that in you miss a lot of fish just because you're not used to it those steelhead for whatever reason. I don't know why they eat eggs. We've talked about to. But i can you know i've fished a couple fall. Creek in oregon. One we fish some. There's a hatchery on there. And there's a hatchery. Run but i can remember drifting in you use about a half to three quarters slinky. Wait and then you have a leader. Which is the shirt a pcr an egg and hook right and you just cast upstream and you're letting that bounce bounce bounce bounce bounce downstream until it gets your castano about forty five upstream. Let it float town tilts about forty five from you downstream and you cast again and you just want that weight on the bottom. And you're just. I set the hook between those bounces right. You'll get a real good routine of bounce bounce and then you'll have a pause you're setting that set the kids that's a fish is just barely mouth that lewer that line might be sliding through their mouth and they feel a little bit of pressure. They're gonna turn their head towards the line open her mouth and that hooks gonna flow right through and so i know i've fished with other guys and took me years of just that feel of learning the right technique. Same thing alaskan king salmon reds. I've i'm not the i'm not the expert on that but i did live there for a few years and did pick up on a few tips and tricks and can hold my own catching sock is. They're fun you'll have somebody do come down there. They're standing in the water just up from you. Just rip and fish and you know you could. Just there's a technique they're that's learned. It's i can't. I can give you the same hook. I'm using the same weight the same length of leader. Nope and if if you don't try and get that field on that technique and really because it it's it's just a feel thing. It took me a day. My first day on the keanae didn't do so. Hot sneak diller while it's the technique and then it's also like looking at the location of where the best flow is where the fish are going to funnel the best. And so you know once. I i was watching people you know. 'cause that's another important thing about being fishermen you really have to watch monkey see monkey people that are doing well pay attention you know especially that they're doing something different. That old veteran that takes you pay attention because they know what they're doing. And so i i watch this guy and he. He went down and i think he was down in. I don't know ten minutes with his three fish limit. I mean it's pretty quick. And so i was watching him the whole time and i was waiting for a spot. Anyway i was like I see what he's doing and it's kinda like there'll be a guy downstream of that. You'll wait for your spot in line. And i have my spots. I like but i could fish thirty yards. Upper down the back in any one of those plans right and my point is you'll be sitting there waiting for spot. Maybe my premiums fault doesn't open because somebody else's stand in it. But i can you know in in a short order about the time i can hook set. You know. release get back into water. Okay another you can get your three fish in ten. Fifteen minutes fisher. Easier will somebody. I've been waiting for forty five minutes or an hour to get the spot. And whoever's in that spot is just out there for off in the water not catching not catching not catching and you'll watch two or three veterans or locals will catch their fish and leave while that same person is still in the premium spot. That was the first day standing there. Like i was trying to figure out the cadence of it in the feel of it. Once i knew at that feel was of something there. Then you're you're on in the same thing applies with ice fishing. So i want to tell this a little bit because when you're digging digging spoon it's really important. Is you. Lift that spoon up and you start to let it go back down to watch your line because exactly what you talked about will happen if you lift. Like for instance aflutter fish. It's a slow falling lower. So you lifted up and you start to let it free fall. It's gonna tumbled down because it's peanut shape you know l. Just kind of flip down on its side. If you see your line stop on the way down you'd better set the hook because especially soccer. I've noticed this year. Sahgal hit it on the drop on the and if you don't pay attention fish because inhale it and spit it out. Because they're like. Ooh that doesn't feel right so one of the things. I was teaching these kids. I took some kids fishing. This is the first time they'd ever been ice fishing. And this one young lady she she goes hand. I'm trying to drop my line down. It won't go down. I said set the hook you know. And she had a it was like a half ounce red dot glow Flutter fish and so she ripped up on it and she ended up catching a nineteen inch rainbow trout which gave her quite the tussle. But that's what had happened. Is you lifted up and you start to let it fall in. The fish sees that on the fall kind of like a dying minnow and they run over and they grab it and if you don't react within the first second or two of them grabbing it or sometimes it's even less forget it they're gone and you might get lucky. Sometimes they'll come back in the whack. It again split love to do that. You have a sp- lake they'll just power bait and rainbow. They'll sit there impact in alaska. You got row. They'll beck and act but those steelhead in the pacific northwest. You get a moment. And they're gone crappier like that. So 'croppy are probably the. I don't know there the bane of my existence. I'm not very good at crappy just because they'll suck it in and you don't feel it like a lot of times you'll be shaking it in front of them as opposed to rip it up and down c o be shaken and if you don't feel him inhale it or they may swim off and they're done so gotta pay attention. How many more fish are you going to catch. Patrick till you're done till i'm done. What living no fishing man. I'll probably fish until i can't fish anymore. I mean i. I just love catching fish. It's so much fun. Just the figuring out how different species react figuring out how different species will evaluate your lures. And how the different species fight you know. And just figuring them out seasonally and what they do and what they don't do we'll just look at the right. You got token you really steelhead is a sea run trout. But it's sure it's closer to a salmon. Family is a any steelhead. You got chum chinook you got tojo's co host much fun you got pinks and they're all a little bit different susceptible to different things different times and laid ice. I'll encourage you all at this late. Ice is a good time to put fish on the ice. So i mean most species are pretty hungry late so that's one benefit you're going to have. It's right before everything starts hatching out. Get your get your family out there. It's not that difficult. You don't need an elaborate system you just have to have a few lures feed decent rods and an auger so that you can go do what you gotta do one thing about getting on the ice laid ice. You might wanna take some planks with you some sturdy wood planks that you can actually walk on. Because like i grew up fishing glendow Number of different bodies water edge ice was never good anyway and so one things you can do to get out on the ice lake. So you've got a foot of water you know between tapered thin quarter sheet ice but he's gonna get thicker yup feed out there thicker and thicker and thicker take a two by twelve or whatever you have for a point lead a gallon. Milk jug thawing. You get new vida all the way around the course still salt still hard as rock. Yeah and that's the thing like do be careful. I'm not going to tell you. Go do anything crazy but do be careful but also don't be afraid of just a little bit of melting on the edge check. The ice conditions talked to local. See what it's like before you drive or take a bar yup take definitely take your take your playing. Make sure that you've got what you need. But late ice can be some of the most productive fishing that you do all season and it's a really good lead into anyway to the spawn and everything that comes after that and if you're going on a trip somewhere and you wanna go hit the lake. I'll tell you my favorite thing to do is to fish lake especially the high mountain lakes. Though the first week they've opened in cleared up and to mazing. Because you hit that first. Mosquito hatch from forty to sixty degrees and with a fly rod and a little mosquito another. I'm telling you you know after after seventy eighty ninety fingerlings. You kinda go okay. I'm i'm ready for a bigger but tell you get to that. Seventy eight nine hundred fish in an hour to. It's just as i could. I could almost cut the barbed completely off the hook. Cut the shank off and just leave the fly and just those little trout just feel him headed a couple because you get to watch some of those things that they'll jump all the way out of the water to hit that little. Here's another tidbit. You find a big river and you've got some big trout in there this time of year. That's about the best time to catch up. You know if you wanna throw crank baits even or spoons or whatever you can catch just about anything this time of year. So i highly recommend you. Hit the rivers definitely go. Hit the late ice but again. Be really cognizant of the of the safety aspect. Don't do anything crazy. would you recommend lifejackets or just. You know it wouldn't hurt especially for kids. You know Lifejackets aren't that big of a deal. It's probably going to be forty fifty degrees out anyway so you can throw it on You know over there hoodie year. Whatever they're wearing we hear about ice fisherman all the time going into ice. Make sure you definitely have some way to pull yourself out. They make safety equipment. You know those little Handles with the spikes on the end that you can use to help pull yourself out definitely take that a chunk of two by two would cut a nail off yep inserted into the to buy to drill a hole through the two by two and put a piece of pair quarter through it and put it around your neck. That will give you an a lot of people. I watched a self recovery video in a lot of people. Wanna try and climb up and out the same. They they fell in. But you need to start. Doing is think of it as swimming. Swim out your vote and women kick out. You wanna look like a plank on top of the water. Get your body to float up and then just kind of play yourself. Horizontally over the ice opposed to trying to yank yourself up vertically. Somebody else goes in. Don't rush over there and try and pull him out. Yeah you're going to help. You don't need to people in the water. That's that's one of the things to Is definitely take a good chunk of rope with you forty fifty feet or just in case because you never know. Make sure you have that. But the biggest thing On anything with ice fishing related as you don't wanna have a big regret you don't want to lose a kid or lose anybody so make sure you have all your safety gear. There's lots of great websites out there in fisherman as a bunch of stuff on the keanae. We're gonna try and go do our our trip again. Thank you covert Yeah but there's that river keanae river is it'll kill you. It's glacial fed and it doesn't it's so big it doesn't look like it's hardly moving right powerful. It's moving. you cannot swim that river. Yeah you'll freeze to death before you do. So you get the macho guys. That i ain't wearing a life jacket right or i'm not going to you know. Well there's a lot of different guys out there that think they're invincible. But that water is super cold and it's powerful enough. If you have your waiters on it'll drown you. I've fallen in once or twice up there. I mean not fallen out of the boat not fall into the ice just on the bank tripped on iraq and fell in and got got deep enough that it was not fun. No fun and that's in july and august when it's supposedly warm. Yeah yeah so. I mean those are just some tips for les dice. If you're fishing in seminal glendow keyhole any of these local areas. I mean there can be some phenomenal ate ice fishing so i hope you guys get out there. Take a kid take somebody. That's never fish before. Make sure it's safe. Have some fun. Catch some fish. Get some photos definitely share on our recast outdoors facebook page with the siyam. It's a lot of fun to watch people get out there and and do what you doing this. It's a lot of fun. I got a funny story for you patrick. We know when. I was a young guy. We we went on a few alaska trips and there an old guy that went on one of the trips. One of my dad's fishing buddies had he was out there. We were in We were down out of ketchikan. And we're waiting for our float plane fly across over prince of wales but there's some bodies of water there and catch can and this guy had just got gortex waiters and this is back in the late nineties a little fancier newer waiters. He didn't wanna poke holes in them. So he brought a pair of bib overalls to wear over his gortex waiters. Right just and so these three tourists pull up and see the guy standing about you know thi- deep in this lake fishing and he's catching a few. I think he's catching pinks but catching a few fish and it was a pretty muddy shallow body of water. She had to wade out there to get out to the fish. You see these three guys pullover. Look at him and he's out there casual fashion. You can seize in these blue. Jean overall so they get their gear on the in their tennis shoes. They all walk out next to him. They were there about three minutes and look at each other. Look at him. Look at each other then. Walk back home and they had to ask him later. How'd you tolerate. It goes waiters on boys. I was fishing. Keanae river is my second day there and was down at the water's similar kind of deal. This guy comes down. He's got shorts and flip flops inefficient bowl and i liked it this kid. You have no clue i. I've got neoprene waders on and my feet are going from the cold. And i'm just looking at this guy like yeah okay. You're gonna really last very long. He got in the water and was out in no time and water so cold. It's coming off of a glacier honest brutal it's it's basically liquid ice. Yeah it feels like it too. It'll make your feet tingle. I'll give you tell you that much even with neoprene waders on it'll make your fecal well Are we are we going to get out and fishing short and sounds like hunter wants to go in and mike is wanna go so we'll go out and we'll all at least voice and maybe a few other places but we'll definitely get that late ice bite going and you know we'll definitely be rippin the pk's because i'll tell you this. This is prime time for those babies. It'll be a lot of fun. Well while i got the rest of the listeners. Here before they run away We are doing a giveaway. Patrick absolutely right. And that's gonna be epic. So what what do they need to do to to follow along on that. So what you guys want to do is get our social. Find the this the that we've got the in share it out foreign wide for this giveaway the more times you share it out the more times the your enter to win We've got some great stuff not only our own swag that from our sponsors. 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RADCast Outdoors Episode #35: Papa Dave Merrill Talks about Raising David to Hunt and Fish

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #35: Papa Dave Merrill Talks about Raising David to Hunt and Fish

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I've heard stories about you on this podcast a couple of times so this is david's dad. So welcome to the podcast. How you doing. I'm doing great. I go by dave so and he goes by david. Let's get that straight all right. Well i'm going to have a david david in here. I'll i'll try to keep it straight as best i can so i've heard stories that You took david. Our news pretty darned small to go go fishing and recreating in the outdoors. So about about what age did you start taking him out. You know i. I remember one time. I took him out. It was I had a little chevy love pickup. There were four wheel drive but he was worthless to go hardly anywhere but it was. It was a pick of. I had and i took him I went fly fishing up a little stream with a friend of mine. And so we had the car seat in the middle of the truck and in his bench seat so we strapped him in there and it was tight but we drove up and he fell asleep on the way up. Because you know has been bumpy road. And he fell asleep and so we got there. And we stopped a little dirt road little fifa whitestream running there and we got out went fishing and catching a few little brookies and whatever and fly fishing and so he went fishing with. He woke up sometime during the time we were fishing and was not happy that he was stuck in his car seat. He was about eighteen months. Old drake sage home. And of course you don't remember any of that. I'm sure that. I do not remember being abused as a child force fly-fishing endeavors that. I did not want to go on but that sets a precedence for the next eighteen years of david's fishing career. I'm excited to hear your kids stories when they get older about dad taking them hunting. Because i'm sure there's gonna be a few of those. There's a picture of my oldest one asleep in the saddle on a horse. Elkin doubled over holding onto the word. So i finally pulled off later on the ground on my jacket but yeah there's gonna be. Some dad forced me to go hunting. Well i i have a little bit of a theory and that is that it becomes to easy. David caught fish when he was two and a half three four five. There's pictures of him with whole fish. You know that a lot of people would be very jealous of at as an adult and it just was. We went fishing and caught a fish. And you know it was it was celebrated and we had a good time but fishing was no there was no challenge to there was no mystery or but there was. We went hunting. But we really shot a few dear but we really. That was not a passion of mine. You know stream over there. We're going fishing. We're we're driving hunting. Oh let's go fishing nets this guy's torius for when we go our trio cutting. He almost always has a couple of flies. A little bit of leader rolled up ziplock. Back when we're backpacking in midday. The rest of us are taking a nap so that we can. You know hunt hard again that evening guys over there. He's cut a willow. He's fishing in a stream. That's a foot wide. Yeah but nobody's fish that stream in the last ninety days and those fisher a really hungry and you know it doesn't take much to catch. That's true that i'm the same way. If i go by a body of water the first thing i think of is what's in there and then the next thought is how can i fix it so i get it totally get it but you know dad was touching on the premise of an i member in the oilfield talking to a kid who grew up in star valley and his dad was outfitter and you know he went up on the thoroughfare and killed like three ninety bowl in highschool. He'd never had any desire to go. Elk hunting after that in the premise of your passion doesn't usually transcend to your kids. Your kids kinda go. i'm going to. I've done that before. I graduated high school. I had several dozen steel head on the wall done. That was check that box. Let's go do something different. You know and put a little a little perspective around. Several dozen steelhead average time to catch a steelhead in oregon. Where we lived was about forty hours. So if you're going to catch a steelhead it's it's you know you go out fishing for eight hours. Typically most people didn't catch a steelhead. Now i wasn't as good as some of the guys that were there fish steelhead. But i was. You know we could go out. And every other trip we'd we'd at least play a steelhead in a lot of times we land. Sometimes we'd come home with two in the same trip by. There was a lot of times that we would pick up to steelhead coming home. And it's like well you know we didn't get hit three of us in the boat and we didn't get the third one but that was mostly past. How much did you catch any seal it on. We didn't we didn't even have a bite and they'd floated the same stretch of river. We had i mean it was. I moved to oregon in the in the late eighties and shortly thereafter wandered around at work. Where i go. Fishing in oregon was totally different than than utah where i'd grown up and spent time and so it was. I got well you go talk to don. And don was in the northwest steel headers and that was northwest steel headers. Was you know they met once a month and a bunch of old guys told him fish stories but they were telling you along three stores you got. Here's here's a how you back back. Back bound for for for salmon in the river and the guys that were you know. That's all they wanna do. Is fish the chinook salmon cup river. We've fish mostly. The south of am ended up by a santa. Am drifter drift boat. Which was a little bit of an all fiberglass drift boat but it was pretty light and so it was. It was fun to row. In fact i still have that. Vote in alaska and finally put a new floor in this this last year. So that was a fiberglass project. I worked on. So but that's the inkling of my one one one nine a month. Every month i went and hung out with my dad at the northwest steel headers club. I was the only kid there with all these seventy year old or fifty year. Old tell you shannon those are the guys that are the bears of lots and lots of knowledge that they pass along with half. The reason why took him was that the the old guys wanted to show this this young kid how to go fishing. I'm slowly so we got invited on a few drift volt trips that normally people didn't go. I mean there was a there was a few guys there that they caught fish every trip. They took the boat down the river. I mean it sold you know. Twenty percent of the fishermen catch eighty percent of the fission would go down the river with heat. He had been down that river so many times he knew every hole and he knew i mean he knew where the fish were in every hole at every floor level of the river so when the float float over change the fish moved around a little bit me. No well you know today. The flow is pretty high. He would only go when the if the river level was above it. I don't remember that the gates numbers anymore but when when the level guy he wouldn't go fishing because it was the fish we're on the bottom the river and it was very difficult to get your ear down there but we would go down the river and he'd below. We're going to get a fish about right here. And then you know. Ma'am there goes to the rod is like what is that a fish on remote control you know but it was just you know local knowledge of. Here's the way the river looks. And here's where all the fish are. One thing i remember learning specifically with salmon and this is something our listeners can king lean is you can go to the store and you can buy row and you can go fishing with and occasionally catch a salmon what that fresh radio and specifically one guy that i started steelhead fishing with that was just a guru. I mean he fished fifty weekends a year for steelhead and there was some days we put more more steelhead than most people would believe in a boat what i mean his eggs his row in his his rule in the boat. Was you know you take your fish. But the stays with the boat and you glove up to touch that row. He he did all that. And i think the olfactory glands sense glenn's sam annoyed he. His bait outperformed a lot of other bates. Yeah if you do the research on those fish they have extremely good senses of smell. And i mean it's it's incredible. How much better a trout for instance can smell than walleye. I mean there's no comparison at all. I mean it's off the charts. How well they can smell. So you're right. I mean that family of fish smell is a huge deal. So if you foul something up you probably not going to catch him. And i remember just you know. It's been a couple of seasons ago but we were fishing the canine alaska. They'd open bait and we had a pretty decent running kings and i took a bunch of roa- from sakai prepared at the same way. Made sure we only use gloves to touch it. And we slade. Those fish i mean. We are outperforming. Fifty other boats sitting on the river around us. And it's that good fresh baked instead of that. Six months old store bought stuff. How do you prepare that typically. Because i know everybody's got a different recipe. I've seen guys that used saul sugar borax all kinds of different things to kind of make them harden up and cure up to where they'll sit on a hook for one but what are you typically do with eggs. You go to get the fish. We're catching sakai that day. And then i'm buying the store-bought roker either. Procure your care following instructions putting right on iraq outside but with gloves laying on the rack sprinkl it air dry a little bit on both sides for about twelve hours. You know sprinkler because a lot of people just sprinklers throwing a bag you want to get somewhat firm so when you go to put it on the on the hook it stays there but you wanna have quite a bit of milk and juice and sent coming off that you don't want it so dry like jerky that when you put it on there. Yeah it's on there. But i mean you got to think about that row. Naturally in the river floating down the river in out of maybe a salmon that a bear eight. Or and i'm i'm not one hundred percent certain y salmon even eat egg that that seems a little bit As far as a species. That doesn't help the species. Procreate that you know. I've always wondered the same thing like you see the guys up in the great lakes when the browns come in to spawn they you sponsor to catch him and i'm always like why would they do that. It just doesn't we'll have to do some research on that and figure that out. Because i'm not really sure bet you. It's competition between something right. You want your your offspring to and not your your your neighbors but again we go back to those king salmon and the way i prepare that rose you know i let it air dry just a little bit until it gets a little thick skin on the outside and then throw it in the bag in the fridge and let it sit there for twenty four and then go use stuff know. Wanna let it sit there for two three weeks if it's gonna be that long. Put it in a mason jar put in the freezer and that then you'll have to thought out the day before you wanna use it. But that's typically. When i went fishing that guy in oregon. We had in a one or two bags of yesterday's that had been thought and then we'd grab one or two jars out of the freezer. Sometimes we'd go through four to six majors. I mean when when that rose bad you throw it off and put new on and the biggest thing i'll say is with steelhead. You want about a dime sized gob of of aches and what i found with the sockeye eggs or a really big and they're kind of loose skinned they don't they wouldn't if you try to cut it in that size. It just wouldn't work for those king salmon. You want about it at least a quarter size if not a fifty cent piece of eggs so you know the interesting. There's a nursing story there about david and that king salmon trip because we were there fishing and i wasn't on the board at the time but he he got had his king added in the net and the net was flipped over so the lip was down instead of up and the king salmon decided to flip in the net and flopped out of the net and had d. hooked itself on the net which is normal. Fish gets in the time they pull the lookout. That's the closest i've seen him. He was still crying about that when he come back hours later. I would've been cryan to. I'd have been in the fetal position on the floor we we. We'll discuss later. Who who had to handle the net. And who had the handle the rod but we'll say it was a husband and wife team and that almost caused the divorce. I think we have talked about now. There are tears. Shed over-fish that every year on the keanae the so we were fishing for reds. And we're fishing down on one of the cut banks. We'd like to fish for whatever reason we hooked a halfway decent king and we can tell is a king and the king just just decided fish. Act completely different. You hook us akai and it flops. On top of the water and you know basically stays within six feet of shore. You hook one of those bigger fish. It goes the middle the river and goes sits in the bottom. And you can't move it. A king owns you. And so you're there and you're fishing with you know i mean we're runnin heavy leader. We're running like twenty pound leader and and forty pound mainline. You know you get to this kings on the from the shores is that's a. That's a pretty tough accomplishment. While with twenty pound leader you might as well be saying a prayer because it's probably not going to happen. Hook decent sized king when i was fishing keanae and i had twenty pound leader on. Guess what i he. He broke me off. I part of it was. I couldn't let him go any further than he was going 'cause he was going to get me all fouled up and everybody else and i was like well put the brakes on and there you go nap. Who said you know what we hop in the boat. The next time that happens and see if we land that fish so fishing in the same hot there in brunei. I hook into to a king salmon and i i know it's a king and david scott up grabbed the boat. He's come down on the boat. It was it was pure chaos and pandemonium there for about five minutes. Well so i'm standing here. I'm standing in about six hundred. Eighty eight water. You know fighting the fish and all of a sudden. The boat comes down the river by me. I'm trying to get in. And all of a sudden i get this claw that just grabs. Hold onto the back of my waiters and pulls me in. And i'm upside down. The of the vote really still tips up still really because i just reached as a passed him by the boat crammed his jacket to said. We're gonna get this fish you know and i did. I did have the presence of mind to keep the rod tip up and keep a little pressure little bit like a turtle on its back kind of wondering what happened but anyway then then you know this is first time. We'd had a king on a boat so we had to learn how to drive the boat. Fish circle the boat about three times figured out. Now you kinda got to steer the boat. You keep the boat in gear in on you. Don't you're not trying to go upstream you. Just trying to maintain position were slowly float down and then you keep the fish downstream of you. So he's got to fight the current as well. You know if you try. Just keep up with him now. You're in a lake instead of a river and he just keeps trying to go underneath the boat for safety and so yeah that was. That was kind of fun to learn that lesson out. But this goes back to one of the things i've said about a long time and that is how do you learn how to catch big fish. That is you lose big fish. Oh yeah and that's there's there's there's so many things that you have to learn about about how to catch a big fish in it you know. It's like sockeye salmon. When the fish comes out of the water you have to bow to the fish. Basically by that. I mean you have to take the pressure off your rod and bowyer rod to the fish because officials back in the water. He's suddenly got a whole bunch of extra energy. That's going to go somewhere. Officials gonna dart some direction when he goes back in order and you don't know which direction is a lotta times if you don't bother the fish big fish and he comes out he's gonna break your line off because all of a sudden you gotta sue dexter but if you give him a little bit of slack in that moment that he enter the water you have a good chance to stay attached and you know maybe land that fish. I've had that happen with about thirty inch. Brown i hooked him and he went and he made a huge jump. And i wasn't ready. I wasn't ready for thirty inch. Brown to hit my line for one thing. And i had six pound tests so didn't have a whole lot to to give him any any of the business. You know what i mean. So he came out of the water and just like you said i mean he hit that thing running and snap my line. Nothing flat part of it was wasn't really fishing stuff that real great for landing thirty inch brown. But that's the way it goes. The alaska state record on the keanae for king. Salmon is a is a bank catch less anderson. I think caught when they finally waited. It's in the nineties but yeah they said it lost a pound or more while he was driving around. So it's a big fish. I think lake prehistoric monster while they all do you get get anything over twenty forty pound fish. That's a. It's like fighting goliath out there man. That's a humongous fish. I can't even imagine. I mean just trying to pick a fish like that could be a struggle let alone trying to fight one. I mean you when you go to grab you know. We're used to those bigger fish. You grab around the base of the tail right and when it's like trying to grab around your calf you can't get your hand grip and it's just like i need to hands old. I could remember. We did a lot of Volunteer spawning for the steelhead program. There in oregon and i was a young teenager twelve to fourteen. I'd get in the in the catch when it was time to help do that. Spawning in. We did that volunteer. There's a couple of those steelhead in the bigger bucks in the thirty inch. Category thirty to forty inch that i couldn't lift out of the pollen. I mean they start going and you know and they're powerful. I mean geez. It's like grabbing something. That's just full electricity. I mean they're so strong. That was a an amazing experience of just be part of that whole you know and it was a volunteer effort. We will help. The they would spawn steelhead about three or four times in in between december and ended december really end of january. There'd be three or four spines out. They would corral all the fish up and kinda kinda handle the fish and they sort of few of them and then they would once over ripe. You know you'd spot him and that was just to see that whole thing. That was just magical. You know to be part of that. See that many fish. I mean that's especially being from. They took all the eggs and incubates them. And then they. They had all these different pollens of hatchlings. They'd feed them to fingerlings and then they turned them loose. And those are the ones when they're adults you get to keep right. Yeah so they would take. They had a system that would cut the adipose spinoff. Which is the in between the tail and dorsal fin. They'd cut that off until you could tell that it was a hatchery fish versus wild fish and they had a wild run. They were trying to protect their but they were supplementing. That with hatchery fish. And that was a result of they put a some dams in there. They said they had to do that. And they they also were were transporting they would catch all the sam steelhead that come up on the wild fish they would basically truck around the damn truck around the dam in the spawners. Were be taken out of the system. So they didn't want him spawning. So i went to that dam on the columbia and they had that little system off to the side where the fish kinda worked their way through. I don't know it was kind of interesting because you could actually go inside and you could see him through the glass migrating their way through. They had some kind of channel or something that they gonna build. Damn bonneville dam. Yeah and it was. It was kinda cool to watch that. But i know a lot of them now. You know whether they're netting them and trucking them around or whatever but they have a lotta different efforts the big effort on the bonneville on that river system was. They're they're actually trucking the fingerlings on their out-migration migration don't get chewed up through the damn. Well it's the increased nitrogen levels in the water causes issues with the fish. And then the other thing you have happened is. Is that kind of stunned. The fingerling or the the smoltz out might out migrating and they are then very vulnerable to predators. You'll see huge. Swarms of calls in stuff gathered there trying to catch a free meal. Well there's a lot of predators to. I mean like i know. The columbia river is now known for some of the biggest walleye in the world. You know there's there's guys that go up there every year now and catch a twenty pound walleye which is crazy to me like i think about ten pound wallet being big and you got these guys catching up fourteen to twenty pounds and i mean what do you think they eat. I mean they're going to eat whatever fits in their mouth. So if you get that big a lot fits in your mouth your walleye so i'm sure there should be a little bit more vulnerable. That's why there's no limit on wall in that river either them all cut. Tell me a little bit more about raising boys and taking taking them out on these fishing trips and kinda give our audience just a few of the tips of what do you think makes you trip with kids so with with kids. I think it's always about. They've got a shorter attention span. They can't they're not going to tolerate trying to fish for steelhead for for eight hours and not catching a fish. That's taking kids. Steelhead is is. Fishing is is pretty Riskier you're gonna you're gonna have to have some way to entertain them besides fission we've talked about this a little bit. It's it's akin to taking them trophy game hunting right and setting the expectation of what we're going to go shoot a record bucker bowl or whatever start smaller. Go rabbit hunting right start. Smaller go go perch fishing blue. Go fishing yeah. Anything bad something. A fish species. That's a little more reclusive to being caught well and closer to the house. Maybe something like that. But part of it is is One of the things that that that i did on on a couple of those trips was there was a spot. Halfway down the river that we would stop take with the steelhead pulls away. We would take out fly polls and we would fish for for whatever was in a couple of spots on the river. There was like where we could fly fishing. Catch a few little fish and turn them loose. So that was okay. We're we're soon to that spot or a kid growing up the other thing. My parents did it. You know it's which i thought. Was you grow up groping you these things you know that are happening in your family. That driving down the road okay. Can you see any dear. Can you see any dear. My brothers amazingly at spotting critters. But you know as kids we're up on top of the camper of the gambro cab over things you can do today and watch it for deer and we bang on one side of the roof. We saw alcon deer on one side the road or the other whatever. It wasn't until i got to have kids my own. I realized having your kids look for deer and elk was more to entertain the kids than it was to see the tear but so now i took david. Fishing was about probably ten and his brother was probably a couple of years younger than that. Fly-fishing up One little streams. This was right after we moved to oregon. Look at life on this little stream and we were there fishing and it was june july midsummer. David heads flagpole. He was ski was fishing there and he stepped up to to log right next to the river. And there was a Hornets nest in the ground. And he stepped on the hortus with horses flew up and they got inside his cargo shorts and started to his lakes. Ouch bald faced hornets. By the way to mean and then Chit occurred me for fishing. The rest of my life right wake you up. That's for sure so anyway. He was standing there. He's jumping up and down now on the ground slapping his legs because some finally got him to run out of there but then it was an interesting drive home there. I was worried about okay. Does he going go into shock. Here what am i gonna do. You know any the most things. Go through your mind about. Luckily i did have some benadryl with me. And i had i said here. Take a couple of benadryl so he kind of went to sleep but it was kind of going okay. You know. but that's that's one of those all of a sudden you know it was. It was a fun trip and then it was turned into a whole different situation as a parent. You some concerns there but it was. I wanna go back in touch on those steelhead trips. Where we we would stop in about the biggest rapids on the whole float and put the steel head gear away and pull out the you know the five. Wait flyer odds and go cat. We're catching smoltz. Let's be honest here. It was it was mostly smoltz. And it was all catch-and-release i was able to you know instead of when when we're still at fishing was a lot of back bouncing or or plugs or spinners and it was a very low catch rate when you put a small fly on in those rapids where those fingerlings are at. We're catching a dozen fishing in fifteen twenty minutes of fish. Now they were four to six inches twenty and thirty. Maybe up to four inches. But i really look forward to getting to that spot of the river every time because i get to get out of the boat and just go walk around and be actually get to catch fish. There's time i've been muskie fishing most keyser maddening like steelhead. I mean they're they're really hard. To catch and you'd be tiger muskie fishing get tired of that and stop for a few minutes to catch a few pan fish. That's kind of a nice break. You know it's like oh. I still can catch a fish because you start to doubt yourself as a fisherman. You go a long time without catching something. it's like. oh man. I need a confidence boost. Here let's go find some blue gillers perch and that goes back to when there was. There's a skilled fishing in in a lot of people. You know it's it's it's not. Just i put my bait on my hook and put my hook out there and i catch a fish a lot of times on the on the russian river. Wanna go up there and fish. It's elbow to elbow fishing. I'm not quite able to its pole to pole fishing and if they crown yet you know it gets tighter than that. But when you're standing in a line of a conga line that everybody's lined up there fishing near the only one that catching fish pretty soon you have lots of friends and their spot or or this is the best one is. It's the color of the yarn is using. We gotta go get your yard. Yeah those are the guys that are the first ones to grab a net to help you get your fish so that they can get you out of the way so they can catch fish yard. I used that tactic more than one. It's smart right. I mean it's it's like well you're doing really well let me help you. Bet your fish. But there are some skills in fishing that transcend species locations. And i mean it comes down to have noticed guys from the pacific northwest that go fish to keanae that have some steelhead background. They tend to do very well and people who don't have that specific skill set of that type of you know when you're when you're drifting a corky through a hole and you've got to differentiate between pounce on the bottom and a just a nibble those those steelhead can have the ever softest just to just mouth that great but the cadence of the balance of your weight along the bottom stops in as a fisherman. Ms at the hook here now. Sometimes it can be hung up on a stick or another piece of line but sometimes it could be a fish. Cup grab that corky and is paused and taking that skill and going red fishing the same thing. Yeah you don't have the corky on there but that hook is paused from its cadence floating downstream. Because it's inefficient mouth and you need to set that hook and the other thing i've found is a lot of gama. Got two hooks on that river. You know nice shark. Quality steel hooks. When i take newbies up there you know we by the The the bucket dozen cheaper hooks because they're going through hooks. I mean you're either getting hung up on the bottom of your brain hooks fish and so but i'll bipolar. you'll notice that. I've got gama cots and keep them sharp but a couple of times in august when it's slower fishing and i even if i got so you run that across the rocks enough. You've either got a barb on your hook or you've just told the point. And all all tickle to fish have set the hook in the mouth can feel the fish and then it comes off after about three head shakes. What's going on here police hookup and try and stick it in your nail and it won't stick in you sharpen that hook or put a new hook on and the very next cast your land. Another fish know the other thing we learned when i was really young. Dad took me to alaska. We went to prince of wales island. And never did. He's done a couple of good news floats. And that's a ten day float trip with a kid. I think that would be a little maddening for for both parties involved. But but the prince of wales trips that we did was a cabin on a salmon stream with with hopi. And we learned there. You know i would tie flies all spring to get ready to go on that trip and we'd go with sometimes. Two thousand flies of different varieties and types and lengths. I don't know if we ever got quite to two thousand but we had. We would have a very full fly box because you didn't know what they were gonna hit and in the couldn't by any flies really but it was you know so we had a lot of perks. Purposely had suddenly leeches. And then you know some other stuff but there was a whole activity of. We spent six months getting ready for tying flies and you know at a fly bench in my room and i'd come home from school and i'd tie flies getting ready to go just a couple. You know maybe a dozen tonight. But what i remember is in alaska on the third fish you would break down fly off and losing. Almost you know almost every time so on the after you cut your second fish you clip the not rely that fly. You're not going to the store and getting anymore flies. And if they're hitting that specific fly for whatever reason you know i remember. We caught a few Flounder on shrimp pattern. Right out at tidewater. I threw it out there and kind of let it drift on the bottom after a week of eating in humphries really excited founder. Some some flavor of fish and they're good now that trip but that whole trip encompassing we went to one cabin. We stayed there. We day hike from their fishing in. When i was tired or wet or cold we could go get in the cabinet and get warmed up and dried out on a progressive float trip through alaska. You get wet and cold. You're wet and cold for a day or two until you. Dry your gear out so you warm up but sometimes it takes awhile. That's those are really two very different experiences. But they're both afloat trooper like on the good news. Where it's you know you've got sixty river miles to go in ten days. It's more than you can travel in one day i mean so we it was a leisurely place. I mean we'd get up every morning. We'd cook breakfast. We tear tense down. We'd pack everything up and then we'd loden rafts and we had to rafts and yeah me on that flow trip intended as we saw a ten people besides the people who come with us you know. I mean there was no. I think we talked to them there. Some we saw. We didn't even talk to they. Just kinda were off in the distance a little bit so pretty much the group you went with but it was now. The interesting thing about that trip was that there was really no trees around. It was that far north but there was a lot of tall grass on tundra but there was tall grass right next to the river but there was this eighteen inch wide up and down both sides of the river. That was just beautiful. You know it'd been on. The grass had been packed down. There was an eighteen inch wide path. And you kinda went. What what what. What was that well that. What was the grizzly bears. Were coming from you know miles around that they were feeding on the on the silver fish we went in august and the reds and mostly gone up. Funny story there when we the what are the guys we went with. They were supposed to have one foot plano. Take all of us at once while that full plane was down so it was down to two trips and split to gear amongst to those planes instead of one plane. We're yeah we're all there was two of us weren't quite as okay. We're not going to jump up and down about a week. We stayed behind and three guys were just raring to go. They hopped in polk. Took the gear and left and and as we turned around and walked back. We just started laughing because here sitting with a pile was the pile of fishing poles. All fishing poles were packed with us jobs. A three eager beavers. We'll take the first plane and and we'll get out there we'll go. We'll volunteer to be. I didn't volunteer fruit. I and set camp up and get the raft setup. No they're going to go fix it and they'll do all that stuff later. They were gonna pull the wraps up and everything and so but the funny part was okay. So here we're flying in. There's these red shoals on good news lake. There's these red shoals these rituals are red salmon. I mean there was literally thousands on you could see the colored the edge of the lake rid and the one guy who is just so competitive always had to catch a fish. He was out there. He had taken the spares twenty pound line of pool. You know just a tight. Something on there was out there trying to catch a fish it was. It's kind of like when you wake up for for your nap. Elk hunting and you look over. And here's a guy that's cut. Willow cut with six feet. Tried to catch a fish. That's what it reminds me. That's all. I have to catch a fish now in this body of water. What do i have well. I have what i have. So we're fishing one of the things that you guys touched on his. Obviously you know you gotta get your kids out there and you gotta go fishing but one of the things. I've noticed my four kids. They're all very different. So i have one that shogo fishing in any conditions not catch a fish be perfectly happy. She's a hardcore fisherwoman and using the pictures david she catches the big fish. Yes and then. I have the next step. I have another daughter who shogo and she'll whether a fair amount but she's not gonna sit through cold wind and do all that she'll do it for a little bit but then she's done then. I have the other two who they don't catch a fish within the first two minutes. They're running up and down the bank and doing something else. They're playing with rocks trying to catch crawfish. They're digging holes dirt. You know doing whatever. And it's it's okay you know. And it's it's hard for me. Because i'm hardcore fishermen so i'm like what are you doing you know. I brought you here to fish. And i have to constantly just asked my wife. I mean she'll tell you patrick suit. She's always telling me. Patrick check yourself. It's okay you know. 'cause i'm like man. I did all this work to set all this up man. I said all this up. I want you to be here. And i want you to experience this but sometimes it kids just aren't into it as much as we are but i really appreciate those trips with my youngest daughter and my oldest daughter because they'll just fish and there was one day this last summer. It was right after. I took you out david when we went out on boylston and cut those nice nice. Trout took those girls and took them to bass lake just to have a little daddy daughter time and we went to a spot where i knew they were going to be some blue gill in some perch and we just caught the snot out of them. I mean it was. It was a lot of fun. And i had offered for all four kids to come but only those you want to come and so when we got home we had this message. Fish the other two were kind of jealous. You know like oh well i. I can't leave if you were going to catch fish i to sit in the win the award and so those two girls. They were like well. We caught all the fish. You know because we went. You know just kind of fun. It's just it's it's just interesting. How every kid is different. And every kid has a different threshold of you. Know a mini power through this or. I'm not going to power through this and so each one's a little bit different. But i find that eerily reminiscent you know. My my little brother fished a lot with dad. I mean quite a bit and both of us in the high school we fishtail heavily and a brother in as big inefficient as i was caught. Lots of fish and he got lots of steelhead but today he you know him and i just i mean we go fishing and we'll go on trips and we'll do certain stuff but that's not our goto every week inactivity. I made my brothers in the hunting about two levels of chaos at. I am right and you know so. There's gotta be something there. As far as i think dad burned us out fishing. And it's not burned out that we we don't like it or do it. It's been there done that. Check that box. Know that i can do it. And you know specifically if we're going to go target golden trout rivers. Yeah i'll go. We're going to target some big brookies or go after halibut. Sure i'll go on enjoy it but if if if we're going to go on a hike through the woods are you going to say. Well we can chase big meal deer or we're going to chase brook trout or cutthroats. You can have the forefoot whitestream with the cutthroat senate. I'm gonna go look for big meal. Dear buck sure. It goes like you go through that progression. To as a fisherman or hunter even you know we talked about this with larry. Elder creek is that i mean you go from just wanting to catch a fish to some point you want to catch the biggest fish and then you just wanna see other people do it and so you go through that progression. I think in hunting and fishing where you go through different stages of i know for me it depends on the species that kind of bounce between phases because there are certain species that i still just want to catch. But then they're species that i've done really well on some not as interested in and you actually go with you know that same progression with any species of big game. You know but i've seen it you go from. Let's take deer for example. I just wanna get deer with a rifle. Then i want to get a big deer with a rifle. And then i wanna get a deer with a bow now. Want to get a big deal with a bow and then it's on do traditional and then no i wanna kill a big deer post wrote in this environment where nobody else has ever done it before and then like david you turn into a sheep. Hunter the next thing that now in a lot of ways. It's it's a pinnacle of right of the adventure. Just just because of where they live and what they inhabit how that works so i back to. I'll still go fish. Dad mentioned it or one of the guys in the steel head all it was dawn and he was. He was a competitive one. If i asked on can we fishing. Don would take me fish. Don't take any other old fuddy studies in the group. Go catch your own fish. But he would take me in the boat holiday me up with the pre murad on the right side of the boat with the best color. You're just to make sure that nine year old kid could catch us deal. And that's what is going to perpetuate sport. It's the same thing with faith. I took her. This fall gave her the appropriate rod the appropriate lure second cast. She has a twenty eight inch. Walleye that's what you want. You know when you're taking a toy rod welfare just a hook or something on the bottom. That wouldn't have been could have been fishing with but you've got the wall. Yeah as citizens her face man. That was awesome as a as a kid growing up. We did a lot of trolling for cocaine. Osaman for for trout in inflaming gorge. After after that opened up but there was My mom would if you were in the bolton and you hadn't caught efficient while my mom would bait your hook for you and she would take the worm and step on it on the bottom of the boat with their foot to smash the warm up just a little bit. And that would be the rod that would catch the next fish. I mean it was blow that sent right out of that worm now. There's something to that though because they can smell it. Oh it was. I mean. I mean it's one of those little tricks that you i will to this day if i'm worm fishing on something sometimes you know not catching anything so you know what. I'm going to beat that up a little bit for. Throw it out there and eight times out of ten or something. It's successful it. It does something that you know. I'll get a by robin. Most maddening thing is. I took some young men on a summer camping trip up in the winds and i hiked to inlet the lake. Not the outlet. We'd been fishing. Lake can do fairly well on six to twelve inch fish. Get up in the inlet in the deepest hole it was then that was maybe a foot deep and five six feet wide but it hit this boulder and made six foot deep little pool about two hundred yards upstream from the lake. And there's a twenty inch cutthroat laying in the bottom. And i had two dozen wet and dry flies and i put every fly in front of now. This is a little more popular lake with hiking trail. So we get the kids in and out. And i'm sure that fisher seen his fair share. He's probably been educated once or twice. But that's just motivates david to go take his bow fishing bow or spearing who can take that. Fish is still two years ago now. It's still haunting me patrick. I every time somebody tells me. A story like that i see the eyeball of the tiger muskie that when i was in high school i'd been wanting to catch tiger muskie for a long time and i only had a few trips a year that i could actually go and i had this about thirty six inch tiger muskie fall lure in one day and he just sat next to the boat looking up at me. Like yeah yeah. I'm not that stupid and it just drives me nuts. It burns me. I had nightmares about that stupid fish and the next day i actually got him to strike and i pulled bluer out of his mouth. Because i was too excited. I could see him is super clearwater like crystal clear. And i'm working this lower and i see him come up behind it and i see his mouth open and accept the hook and into air because they didn't let him bite down and take it It still bothers me to this day. Even though i've caught tiger muskie's now it's like dang. Why did i do we. We took a thirty foot. diesel pusher boat down to port. Graham out homer and we're halibut fishing and there are some pinnacles out there. So you've gotta you from feet of water up to thirty and then back down to ninety in like twenty feet but the fish stack up on either side of that depending current does that acts like a wind wall. Right and i remember. We're catching halibut. Mostly even i thought i had a halibut on but with acting kind of funny and what had happened. I caught about a thirty inch in god. And you know we're just running jig heads bigger six inch jigs with just a white body. Jig does in his mouth. But he'd got half hitched around the middle so he coming up sideways. I don't know how i got half. It's i'm not sure until he got about the surface. And we're trying to figure out how to deal with this fish. And i mean i still remember vividly. Another link cod swims up and had been chasing him and swallows half of my fish bites down and swims away. I told you the fish. I had on was thirty inches. Had a mouth like a one gallon paint canned the fish that swam up and bit fish had a mouse. Like a five gallon bucket. It was fifty plus sixty s to this day. I'd like to get the other one. This one sounds like we have to go remedy that situation. Go back and find that fish. Yes there's another revenge. I mean when you're looking down at a thirty inch fish and all sudden sixty inch fish appears. I still don't quite believe my own eyes. Well i took jeremy. We were fishing on the on the willamette for squaw fish. So and and we'd pulled off on. He was fishing while we were doing something. And he had a chinook salmon. We're talking a thirty pound fisher come up fall and he jumped out of the water letting joe back like because we were catching these you know. Eight to twelve fifteen inch squaw fish and that was not what he was expected to come on his warm up there. Just all of a sudden you're there and they're here's a here's a big fish and you go. Oh totally out of place man. Yeah that will get your attention in a hurry when you see something you don't expect in the water. We took a charter out of oregon deep sea fishing. And i remember. I took my bride. We were dating. At the time. I was a family trip. I'm sure my sister and brother and dad were there but instead it and we're digging for rock fish off the bottom instead of letting gig straight down and get to the bottom. She cast that thing out there about twenty thirty yards. She hooked to a silver salmon. Yes yes she. She hooked a awesome silver salmon. So we got a picture of a link the sea bass in a salmon on the same trip. So you never quite know where you're going to get some of those species with what that's part of the fun of just going fishing. You just don't know sometimes especially on really diverse bodies water like voice and you don't know merritt reservoir nebraska. You just don't know you could have a a fifty inch. Musk deer you might get an eighteen inch white bass you don't know you could have a three hundred pound halibut or you could have a a fifty pound scape coming in sideways. You just don't know sometimes it's a shark or you could have an orca pop up next to the boat. That's a little intimidating man. When we were when we were out by seward there we took that charter out there. And they went by the boat. And i mean they in a when. You're right next to. Because i mean i. I almost could've reached out and touched dorsal fin. You know kind of thing. And when they kind of role and look at you with that i as a weird feeling because i mean they were big as our posed as like holy cow. But i mean they're cool animal but man that's freaky and when you see the dorsal is that high out of the slick. That is a big animal. Die tell you about the humpback that breached the water right next to us while we're digging out there. Oh my gosh you want to talk about heart attack. I'm standing there. And i'm digging for rock fish and i've caught probably three or four and i was kind of getting bored because the biggest pandemonium digging for rock fishes. You have one splashing all. They don't do fish. Yeah they don't do anything. So i was kinda getting bored with that and pretty quickly after that changed over in came up the water calling because there were silvers running and start fishing for those because they were more fun but anyway so i'm sitting there and you know you've got the mainland there that you can see and it was pretty rough that day i mean. We were anchored and bouncing up and down. Everybody was feeling a little rough and i. I'm not really paying too much attention. And all the sudden. I see this flash come out of the water and i mean within fifty yards of the boat and i look up in this huge humpback whale comes all the way out almost you know and then rolls on his back and hits the water just like you. Talk about an adrenalin rush. You know kind of bored captured. Rock fish and all of a sudden whale breaches. It's like holy cow. It's a cool cool site and those some of the coolest things i've ever seen. One of my favorite things about that whole ocean fishing is it's dungeness crabs. Oh man not much better eating in the ocean. You guys lived in oregon. You had access to those puppies we would go crabbing on the coast and we'd go down to S story lincoln city lincoln city. Where go the next one down. What was wolpert while. That's where we with crab in a lot awkward and we catch you know we got quite a few limits of dungeness crab there an ill. I loved those. Oh my gosh. They're about as good as anything. Don't you agree. I mean they're so good as a kid. Patrick i couldn't stand the smell. And i catch him loved so by brother. There just devour table full of. I'm looking. I'm like you guys are weird. I like catching these things. There needs you. Give me six or seven of those puppies and some butter. And i'm in hog heaven. Gosh you know those square about all three and three k. Traps yeah when we went to Prince wales island. There we went out crabbing twice. We basically would catch a salmon anti at the bottom of the crab drop and throw it out there aids osaman carcass. Yeah and and we would pull up cramp just full of crap. Just pull up a whole the whole crap out of craps. We ate crabs at trip to we. Were sickie grabs. Remember in walpole. We'd have to got to sort through them and you can go through. The sub goes right and oregon's limit was a little bit more than the california limit. Everyone of those crabs up there on prince of wales island was significantly bigger than the california limit size. I mean they're just they're dinner plate sized at at four gotta go back and go get some more crabs. Sounds really good. He hasn't making me hungry early for that. So the the way to clean a crab. Take the crab whole alive smacking on the corner over the counter combo up bottom noun. Peel the shell off split half rinsing water polo lungs off and some people. Boil them alive. And i am a fan of when you boil them season the water a little bit with some seasoned salt. I mean some people go as far as they bring ocean water home and oil in the ocean water. Some people put that crab. Boiler crowd ed boyle stuff in with them when they cook them to. I've heard that's good. I've just done them just regular water. That's okay but they're still a little good little bit assault right. Let's all make it a little brackish and then boil them a really good little bit assault helps out a lot. Yeah there's not much better eating. I don't know david. I'm having second thoughts now. Just kidding. i've always like when i was a little kid. And we went up to alaska. And i got to eat fresh crab up there and man that was that was awfully good. We had fresh king crab. And i think it was in homer if i remember right might have been increased. I don't remember it was one of those two. I was a little kid but man. I remember thinking one. These claws are humongous and two man. This is really good so good. And it was affordable up there. You know you try to get that here and it's not so ford we're a little bit of a ways away from the ocean. Dirty good flight from the ocean ocean lake excluded. No kidding but crawdads you can have you know. Pretty good poor man's lobster those pretty good and the other thing is if you catch burbot which is basically freshwater link cod around here. you know. it's just a little ling- some of them get pretty good size you steam boilers burbot and pull the meat off. Dip butter tastes a lot like lobster. And it's really really really good now. I'm hungry so yeah. I think that's a good place to end papa. Merrill thanks for coming on and sharing stories efficient or welcome. Yeah thanks for coming on and we'll have to get out and do some fishing here before too long. I know everybody's in a little bit to get out and do something so we'll have to get out there So everybody again. Thanks for listening to the show. Go to our facebook page and like that page and also definitely follow us on instagram. Check out our website. We have Some new things on there just about every week so make sure to go and check that out. check out our old episodes. We have a lot of out there. 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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #63: 240 Mile Swiss Alps Backpack Adventure with Seth Ewing

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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #63: 240 Mile Swiss Alps Backpack Adventure with Seth Ewing

"This episode of rag cast outdoors brought to you by pk. Lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards welcome to another episode of rag cast outdoors. I'm patrick edwards. Time david maryland. We're in the great indoors today. Talking about the great outdoors you. You caught me in a rare moment of home. David's been up in the mountains is some of you all know how they go. Brutal brutal is a tough year. Lots of grizzly bears The moon was full all night. And then we've got some snow and just cramp down but we were in elk every day so it was. It was everything i wanted just to it was. It was very taxing and daunting elk. But we're home now and we have meet the freezer so no complaints. Yeah you can't complain when you have meet meet is a good thing and so today. We've got a special guest in the studio friend of mine for thirty two years. Seth ewing welcome to the show. So it's exciting. To be here came all the way fourteen hour. Drive from idaho to come and talk to us In hang out with me and kept lots of fish which we did over the past few days. Let's be honest. Mostly that yeah. We were some fish and so it was a lot of fun. But yeah and i've been friends since we were five years old. And seth is much more of the hiker adventurer guy than me and so i thought it would be fun to have him. Come on and talk about one of the coolest trips. He's ever done probably the most brutal trip he's ever done. Yeah i tried to. I tried to pass it up this last summer as far as the brutal that goes but it was very special for sure absolutely and so just just to kind of get to know your seth Tell everybody you know where you're from and just a little bit about how you got into hiking. Yeah so Grew up in southern southeastern wyoming and north central montana and my my dad was a texas transplant so grew up in the city really really longed to be in the mountains and it was hard to keep him out of the mountains really as a young when he was young man so when he had kids i think he started taking me fishing with him while i was still in diapers. He's got stories of me. Like eating rob brook trout. Neither hand woman in diapers So it's kind of the blood so to speak at that point. But he also he loves getting into new new ground so started me and my brothers and other other young boys especially back into the mountains and backpacking. When i was really quite young. So something that. I've always done and yet never stopped doing really. So that's kind of how. I got my my intro into it and the other thing really was there whose dad will always go off with his friends at he'd leave us all behind and he brings back like a rock and tell us these stories about going up into the wind river range and with his buddies and catching trout and fallen off logs into the ice water and nearly freezing to death and stuff. So those part of like this. When you're a man this is what you do. Go off in the mountains and you you nearly die and i feel a little kindred spirit to your dad you know being raised as a city boy and once. I got my taste of the mountains. I haven't laughed right i. I grew up in oregon. We've talked about that. But moved moved to alaska and then moved to wyoming. And i pick up rocks to this day in from like my trips to the brooks range and bring them back my son and be like here. Here's a special rock from the brooks returned and we look at a map of where that was at. And it's an. I'm always when you're talking about expanding in territory. I liked to learn this drainage and then mike always wondering hey what and it doesn't matter if you're fishing or hiking hunting it's always well. What's over the next rain. What's over the next toners. Always that that draw or that poll to say. Hey this is look and see. What's over there. i sometimes. it's a hellacious horrible. We're never doing that again. Other times you find hidden little lakes or streams that are just loaded with with goodness right. Yeah absolutely it was funny. I got no i move to utah Some years back. And i finally made it to the wind. River range felt like Never been but. I made sure i got my dad iraq and send it to him in the mail so as a little one here you go dad a little. Have a rock. Yeah exactly well you know. It's been fun just watching you over the years. You've always been the guy who goes up into the wilderness and backpacks and you've got that adventurous. Spirit and i remember back in twenty ten when you plan this huge trip and i i told you you were crazy and you are. But that's the point but but usually patrick most of the trips that you know i think of the ones i've done. The ones that are memorable involve a lot of suffering right and some degree of extremity. Where you you might die. That's the ones you're like. Hey let's do that again. So we were talking about patrick mcmanus and some of those stories. Go ahead and relay that from earlier today. Yeah so i. I'm a big fan of patrick mcmanus and know the pat is to you and so i asked him. Do you remember near member at the the story the big trip and you no. I don't remember that one so got a hold of it online and made sure that got a chance to read it. But it's the whole concept. Is that when pat was well. Patrick management different pat. When he was a kid he would like escape with this fantasy of doing the big trip and part of the big trip was that it would need to be really hard and so a big part of the story. Is that you you want to make sure that your hardships happen. Because if it's an easy trip than the that's not the big trip you half. If everything went correctly that you have to suffer greatly for it to be so. It's this whole story about this. I'm sure and crabtree. With red. Sweeney story for those of you heard familiar for those of you for those of you. Who aren't you need to pick up a fine and pleasant misery and read some. There's there's like twelve. Other patrick mcmanus. Who he is all three of us. Here he'd fans so if you didn't grow up reading him in outdoor life missed out as a child a finding pleasant miseries a good place to start though because that's a little bit and related to what we're talking about for sure just even that book title. It's like this guy. Gets it fine in pleasant misery. Talk about misery it. It definitely makes things more memorable. But you were telling me about this trip and you were. You know very ambitious in my opinion saying you were to go. Couple hundred miles in swiss alps you've ended up doing about two hundred and forty in the course of sixteen nineteen days three of those days. You didn't heightened but just for the listener. Put that in perspective do the math. That's that's quite a bit every day and So seth i want you to tell just you know. Why did you even think of doing something like that. What what was your motivation. Yeah well it was really a combination of a couple of different things. One that was not insignificant. As i had a couple of friends who had gone and they showed me pictures and i thought i have to see that. I have to go and see that those are you know. I grew up in the mountains and loving the mountain so museum mountains like that is i have to actually get there and see that because if that's what the picture looks like i've got to see that in person so that was the genesis of it but i was graduating from college. My parents said well you can either have some money or will buy. Who plane tickets this switzerland. So you can do this hike okay. Well what do i wanna see. Do i wanna see like the matterhorn. Or or these. This part of the bernese alps. Or what did i just decided. I wanna see as much of it as i possibly can in a in a three week period. If i'm gone for three weeks how much of it can. I see and i settled on that route because i was going to see the place that i had most been interested in seeing and i would kind of do a diagonal if you rethink about switzerland. It's coming to the shape of a kidney bean. And i just cut across the long access to being from the. What is that kind of the central eastern border all the way all the way to lake geneva and so i thought that's the best way to see it probably going to get to go once. So that's what. I wanted to see all of it you know. There's there's gear we can talk about but the back to the fine and pleasant misery. I'm sure there's you know. I think of the hikes i've done the backpacking and the ones that went. Well i okay yeah. Let's not talk about those. The ones that didn't go so well on the night that my brother and i slept under an emergency blanket and shared one mountain house between three guys. Now we killed two rams the next morning and the backpacks got real heavy but is there any crucible in that story of the where. Where was the most miserable part of that trip. Yeah that's a. That's an excellent question because there are some really good candidates of pats. Pats heard this story so he knows that i did. I'm not one of those three hikers. That knows what they're doing. And i'm not a big at that point. I think this was my second time out of the us. Barring a couple times up to you know the canadian part of glacier waterton. So i'm not not a big international traveler either like exchanging money doing very very out of my wheelhouse so really. It started off like in the first seven days i was there. There were three days where i didn't get a full meal. And you're hiking up like average elevation game between four and five thousand feet on this pass and then a drop like that on the backside and doing that without calories is is rough. What really really locked the trip into kind of epic misery was i injured my left achilles tendon about eighty miles in so third of the way in. Yeah just like and it was. I brought a journal with me. Which is great because i'd also did this solo. Which makes everything so much harder because all of the mental battles all that stuff. You don't look over at your buddy and say man. This is hard is like. Oh but we'll make it just you sitting on a rock somewhere thinking like what on earth had done. This is the worst thing ever so. Yeah that that achilles. Glad i have the journal because i i've got this documentation of the different kinds of pain that had experience with that everything from kind of what i described as kind of a wet. I don't know how to say it. It was just like there. Was this wet sticky pain to someone jabbing a knife in my ankle. Kind of pain and i had some days. I did twenty mile with that. The i like. You just don't know what you're gonna do as well. I'll just go a little farther. Maybe i'll camp and by the end of the day. I'd made it to are supposed to go and that was that was pretty rough. But it didn't go away. So it kinda cumulatively added as you. The ankle issues didn't go away. The blisters didn't go away. I ended up cutting boots. I had equipment issue so whatever you wanna hear about. The whole thing was a crucible is kind of what the point. I had a day where i was really expecting. This is a light day. And then i actually did the mouth because my guidebook had everything in meters so i actually converted like. Oh wait a minute. I've got twelve hundred feet of climbing in two passes like twelve miles today. This isn't a light day. Twelve to passes. Yeah when the ibuprofen starts stops working rather you're just mentally. It was very very tough. So were you in your back to that mental battle. I think about the first dall sheep. I went on and the guy went with. I mean we we. We suffered right but every time it got really really bad. He'd asked me right. Ask him how you like it now. The the standard answer was loving it right nothing else to do but love it so that that shared camaraderie of the mental battle. Like you talked about that piece of when you're solo in you're eighty miles in here you are. I've got injury. There had been the creeping thought of do. I just bow outdoor cancel. Do i quit. Oh absolutely yeah actually. What are the things. That was super important for me. Because you know it's not like being in a wilderness. The frank church in idaho or something. Something like that where. There's just no way no way through but out there's trains everywhere you could. You could pack it. It and you could quit downhill a mile or two or three or five. And you're done so i mean that made it really different but i ran into this guy from scotland who is in his fifties and i can't remember. I think his name was andy or something but catch sight of him periodically in the first third of the trip. Personas like man if this year old scottish guys doing this by himself i can't i can't i can't stop with hindu in it and you know you meet people along the way as well like i met a guy from bend oregon and it was just so you have some of these things where it's like. Oh this bend. Oregon bob and conversation like medium like simon a couple of consecutive days and talk talked with him and stuff like that. I actually one of the more interesting experiences. I was at a place where i could pay to pitch my tent. Which is a weird thing for anyone from our part of the world. Don't kidding it's a pain exactly exactly right. So i met this swiss cow. Who's doing a bike tour with her dad because she just returned from eight months six months in the us and more in like australia or something Cycling with her boyfriend and they had gone all over the place and she asked where i was from. And i said idaho. Oh i love idaho about idaho. And where in idaho from greenville. Oh i love grange villa. Like having fun with me. Here in the leaking. No one knows where greensville is but the thing that she said that i really really loved and stuck with me as i was asking her about this cycling for eight months. Seems like a lot to me even if you love cycling and she said well her and her boyfriend. They sold all their stuff like got other. Lisa's and went and did this thing so well. There's always good reasons not to do something. Yeah there's always reasons to not do things so sometimes you just hit them anyway. Exactly is always easy excuses to get out of it. Yeah there is. What did your backpack way. Average for this whole trip i actually significantly upgraded gear later. But i was just you know pretty broke had a nice pack but i was probably in the neighborhood of thirty pounds at the beginning. Because when you don't have the money to buy the geared shave ounces. Your stuff is heavy. One of the big mistakes i made early on as i thought. Well there's a village every five miles in this place. So i don't have to pack food that that's not true. You do need to pack food. So i was probably somewhere between one size wise end up carrying a couple of days food still probably. I would consider it a fairly light pack. I know the people who actually do through hiking or thinking. What are you talking about. Thirty five pounds as a ton but for me probably about thirty five pounds from the hunting realm. I mean i don't even day hike with thirty five pounds. I mean i'm leading the forty plus pounds when you're talking glass and ammo and equipment. Well yeah exactly. And i think that's where that's the perspective that i came from. Because you go backpacking to go fishing or do these other things or you know you. I like spending time in camp. It's not like the people who just want to have a good time on the trail and then be really bare bones and camp. So i'm with you. I felt like a light pack. I did get it a little heavier because that was really one of the things that surprise me. Is you just go to a new place. And they don't have the same rules. One of the things. I found out the hard way. Is that all the grocery stores close at six pm. So if you show up at six thirty because you got lost or like weren't feeling well or something and you're not packing food just not eating that night. It was like oh well. This was a mistake. This regrettable and then the stores aren't open on sunday either. So what actually. The biggest climb of the trip. I lost track of the days. Because when you're by yourself it doesn't matter what am i going to do. I'm gonna get up. i'm going to hike. They don hiking. And then i'm going to go to sleep and then i'm going to get up and and the makes it sound really terrible but if you see like if you look at pictures of the place you realize that it's kind of this juxtaposition between all of this sounds really miserable but it really is as magically beautiful places you can imagine so you're looking at it and all the pictures make it look like it. Was this wonderful. Just like birdsong and like rainbows in a magical place and then talk about and it sounds like it's the most hellacious thing ever and it was kind of a bit of both but i want you to talk about something specific here in regards to the food so getting back to the supermarkets being closed but also tell me about the food how it's different in the issues that you had because the food is so different. Yeah so first of all. The food is marvelous. Because i you know. I'd go to a grocery store. Once i figured it out i was eating fresh pastries and and really excellent cheese and different things like that but their food is less salty than ours. So if you're hiking twelve fifteen miles or more in a day working really hard. What i found is even. When i was eating i thought i had it figured out. I got assault efficiency so that hypo nutrient and you just feel like death. Death heated over and realize like. Oh i haven't taken enough salt so after that happened. The second time like i was making sure by pretzels. And then all the salt and the bottom of the bag is eating that just trying to keep up with the salt output. But that was the other thing was just like realizing that i like. I've said a couple times just realizing that food wasn't available the way i thought it was just when you look on the map and see like there's village there you think they'll have a source of food and not necessarily so that. Was those two things really like once. I figured that out. It was pretty good but you had to. The food is really great. You just had to think about things that you didn't normally because usually the kind of food that i eat when i backpack is super salty and your body wants that when you're out but then you go and eat something it's like. Oh this is wonderful. It's great quality but it doesn't give you what you need. So i i hadn't expected that at all. Yeah and i mean it's brutal you talk about elevation gain and then talk about the number of miles the number of hours. Your body is just completely wrecked. It is because i mean. It's it's burning calories at a much higher rate rate than you can quite. Frankly replace doing the kind of work that you're doing. So what was your kind of daily schedule as far as food intake in like when you got to camp. What was your routine. Yeah so one of the things that i thought i would do. As i thought i'd be cooking but as it turned out i didn't really cook at all hardly on the trip so i'd get up once again. This is more after. I'd figured things out you know. I'd go find a a market by fistful of pastries like turnovers and other whatever looked good and i would eat some of that and then i was always finding they had Kind of jerky sticks. But it was their version of it. I'd always pick up a bunch of those at the end of the day kind of protein and it sounds like it would be terrible but it just like it hit the spot and they have a sparkling apple juice of replacing some sugars that i drank by the they sold in an leader and a half thing and i would have one pretty much every night and because after you've like a gallon and a half just straight water during the day it's it's it's wonderful clear. Fresh you know tasting water. But you're ready for something else so those salty foods like lots of pretzels. Different things than i would find. I you know i don. The food doesn't really stand out to me except for. I'm a huge fan of cheese and there was just it really. Is they do a wonderful job of cheese. And it's funny. I didn't see swiss cheese anywhere there but they have on. How ironic may have all of these different They call him out kesse and it's it was super good and if you love cheese and do you know just like oh pick a different one every day and kind of do that kind of stuff. But you can't eat you know especially when you're working hard you gotta you gotta mind that you can't just eat blocks of cheese so i'll break down. What's the difference between cheese there. And she's here. It's just different varieties really but you know one of my favorite memories as i came over this pass in probably the most single spectacular part of the area. The bernese oberland in there. Was this gal selling cheese next to the trail and she was just giving away samples and stopped and talked and talked about. She like to go up up on these really high mountains up on the glaciers and stuff and just talk to her and like it was cheese. They made right there. So i think that's i think that's one of the key. Differences is a lot of what you're looking at as someone who actually lives in the alps made this cheese and they're selling it locally and you can get that in the state trait but most of the chiefs was that way. They're one of the things that comes. Miami say that is all occasionally. I'll get some. Fresh albacore. got some buddies from oregon. That'll bring some or we'll get someone will home. Can you go to the store and you buy bumble bee tuna and you open it up and make a tuna fish sandwich and it's like okay you take some of that home canned albacore. It's it's ten times better. It's gotta be the same with the cheese here. You go buy some cheese. It's been put on a ship and truck over here and refrigerated forever and it's like ed's cheese and it's better than in the the lutheran whatever but when it's fresh from the person that made right there that's basically making a living at doing. Yeah that reminds me. I did eat a lot of chocolate there too famous for chocolate chocolate. So this is cheap. Did you lose a lot of weight on this trip. Yeah i lost about fifteen pounds in nineteen days so keep that in mind folks. He's eating chocolate and pastries and all this other stuff and he is dropping late. I mean that just tells you how grilling the the walk. The long walk was. Yeah one of my favorite points of news couple fund stories or maybe just one if i can remember the other one was i had a day where it was the day that i found out that had lost track of the days because they don't things aren't open on sunday i missed the market and Then i nothing was open the next day so i had a sixty seven hundred foot. Climb right out in these hikes they punch in the mouth you camp in this valley and then you immediately climb nonstop for sixty seven hundred feet and then you go down that far again. That's created with blake. No food i was out of food didn't have anything. Start up the way and of course you know you have issues when you do that. Because like salts are all out of balance. And i just felt terrible. Like no surprise. And i'm sitting there. I'm sitting there on this rock about one hundred feet below the pass just thinking like i think i'm gonna die and i remembered that i had assault. Pack some seasoning in my home rooting around. That and i had a little sugar. Pack naive that start to feel slightly better. And i'm walking up the trail and someone had lost this apricot on the dried apricot trail and i looked at score. The trails dealing peanuts didn't even think about popped it right. You were starring man. I mean your body was in freak out mode totally was and my guidebook. Didn't mention the fact that that trail dropped over seven thousand feet on the back end at just set a punishing dissent. I think is the words used. But didn't actually i did. The math later is like i feel like he could have said more about punishing as in seven thousand descent. Seventy two hundred feet or something. Laremy sell from sea level. That's insane elkins. We're any any of my. Big hunts are not even half of this right. I mean we're talking. You might go from six to ten on a good day and then go back and you might go three miles out and three miles back. Maybe five miles so i might do a ten mile day. Do plus and minus six thousand feet. You're doing plus or minus fourteen thousand feet and twenty miles. I mean that's just. And i get at least me. I get to the point where i can't eat. Just you're not hungry you. You're so exhausted. It's gimme some water and gimme some sleep. It's food is not primarily for the first days. But then you get into a point where you're talking about where it's like. I could eat everything. I could eat the whole cow right now. Yeah for sure. And you know. And we all know as outdoorsman but if anyone hasn't done something where bush whacked a lot you know what's different because people always say. How many miles did you cover. Well it's the wrong question. It's not how many miles it's which miles right. So i mean you are on trail in the swiss have remarkable trail so it does save energy that you're not worrying about like okay even mental. Like you're not wondering like should i go left or right here. Am i going to bluff out that kind of thing. You know that you do when you're hunting and you're on the pack trail. I mean you can run three miles up the river in twenty minutes you get off trail you can maybe go half a mile in an hour and a half because you're going overblown downs and trying to pick your ed's it is a little different. Yes so that being said it is a a lot of energy expenditure to do that. I think one of the other one of the other things that i remember really distinctly about the trip was there was a day. I'm hiking into a in a place. Like i'm a sherlock holmes fan so if any if anyone is familiar with sherlock holmes there's a there's a famous story it's the one where arthur conan doyle killed sherlock holmes. It takes place in switzerland. I was going to be passing through the village on a massive nerd. I was really excited about this. And i can remember because one of the things. I didn't one of the mistakes. I made his. I didn't live in my boots before on this trip. And so boots. That i had worn a lot had done. A lot of backpacking in. They were killing my feet. And so i had major blister issues pretty much the entire trip and had kind of that was part of my morning routine. You ask about morning routine like blister care. That was the first thing in the morning. Like trying to keep things clean trying to keep it from getting worse. But blister care was something that i had to do every day home hyphen and just by the end of the day. You just heard it's like you're getting spanked on the bottom of your feet with like a flaming hot board and you're going around and then you'd catch view you come over a pass or something you'd see the valley open up below you and just catch your breath and you would make the pain go away. That's important thing to remember. This whole trip is probably every time you turn. Every which way. There's another vista the photo. Where the gob stopping. Just you look at it and you think like if that waterfall was back home. There'd be people. There'd been overlook here there'd be people queued up taking pictures of it and here on the only one means some dairy cows elkin. Is i get to go see some of the vistas here in in the winds or some of the other places that there is no trail too right yeah get to find even little wallows in little bubbling creeks and you know. Yeah the all. The lakes have a major trail to him and and trail heads. Whatever but you know. I i like the fact at least for me elk hunting. I'm gonna climb the same vista that you're going to But then i'm gonna get up there. Get my binoculars out figure out. How are the animals utilizing this. And i'm other cool. Part is is being the hunters. I'm their morning and night. I get to see sunrise and sunset every day right so but through the through all this pain through all this misery. It's important to mark that these vistas. These views are three sixty twenty four seven. It's not just like oh we're gonna hike. We're gonna take one picture that tetons and we're gonna get a car and drive away. No it's no you're in it you're living in and that's one of the things you pick up this rhythm but the reason i was bringing up this particular gin into you know for anyone who actually speaks german. I apologize. my pronunciation is appalling. But this town Is marine gin. And i was dropping into it and just in a lot of pain and i remember the shock when i got finally got into cases where sherlock holmes and buck fall So i got down there. And they had a little museum there it was just. It was a a happy place for nerds which was really fun. It was it was a little surprising how much that was. So but when i got to got to camp and you know that feeling taking your boots off after a really brutal day the foot that it hurt my left foot just hurt hurt and hurt. When i took off my boots my apologize this little gross but it's part of the story. So maybe you're here for that. But i take off my right boot and it's just blood all the way through the stock and i looked and my right. Pinky toe had a blister that had wrapped all the way around it the entire toe and then burst and blood through the sock. Oh it was my other foot. That was hurting at that point. You know the feeder hash because the the foot. That's got a blister that wraps an entire toe and is bleeding through the sock is not the foot. You're worried about so this kind of this weird combination of those vistas and it's back to that line and pleasant misery misery when you got back just talking to you about this trip and just thinking to myself. Why in the world did that. But the you know the people. That don't know seth i mean he's always been kind of want to be up for the challenge and up for the pain so talk about that a little bit about the mental aspect of processing the pain and enduring through that. Because i'm sure you had some really rough times getting through especially at that point your feet or shot. Yeah so. I think part of it is at some point. You realize that really the best way to be to be done is to get through it and so we were. We were rereading that mcmanus story and they were in that story. they're talking about evaluating their options and they may say like the only way to do it as just toughened up and do it. And there's a reality to that at some level is that you just go but i think part of it was tied into one of the things that was anchoring for me is the reason i was doing the trip in the first place. I'm like yes i wanted to see. I wanted to see the alps but there was also a at a significant part of life rate. Just finished college going into what's next that i wanted to push the envelope. See where the edges were like. What am i capable of right. So that's part of the idea of the big trip. Is you find out. what am i made of. Most people like main in perspective with this. You had your injury at mile eighty and you're doing two hundred and fifty right and we're not. We're not talking flat miles. You know not. Not here to laramie walking down the highway. But i've read and heard several times that most people quit at about forty percent of their capability on. That's that's where your injury was. You could have just said yeah. Okay i've came of seen in scouts as a kid. We did a fifty miler. And i had a fifty five pound backpack on. It said fifteen and here. This guy's hike in the pacific crest trail with an eighteen pound backpack and doing the whole thing in summer. Now he'd gone ahead and mailed himself food to each town here. Seth the package but he. I mean here. I am with a tent and asleep bag and ed food for every day plus fire starter plus efficient poll and this guy had a jacket and a pair of short cities. Like i've got a little blanket. That i let not mostly packages. I just lay down on a blanket and have small little tarp. If it's gonna rain eighteen pounds light for a oh man. that's that's too late for me. I need more gear me too me too. I mean my light pack was as we talked about over thirty. So you know what you were talking. What were asking about patas like when you have a reason. That's bigger than just like i'm out for a walk. That helps anchor you when it gets tough for me to part of that had to do with i was also out there. You know there's part of it that's just purely like what am i made of physically. What what am i capable of. I wanna push wanna push it and do something bigger than i've ever done and do something incredible but for me also it. There was a tie in with faith to I'm a follower of jesus and that that point of the it's a significant crossroads part of my life and in figuring out what i made made of it also had to do with time spending with god intentionally and that was part of i would have loved to have taken a friend with me but it's hard to talk someone into like. Do you have twenty three days where he just want to walk anyone for that. It's hard. It's hard to find anyone. So the fact that i was doing it by myself i thought i wanna make the most of this time and so a lot of those conversations that i have with god also really may played into that because sometimes when you're under pressure rate what's really inside of you bubbles to the surface that i've found a lot of the stuff wasn't really all that great. I remember just like biting my walking stick on one day like literally biting my walking stick inches like had all these really dark as you know. Just the response to pain and frustration and things that were in my mind exhaustion to exhaustion. It was just. It was one of those things where than i had a really good conversation with god about like. What kind of person am i really inside because this hardship is bringing that to the surface and this is what this is really who i am is what when you squeeze me what comes out and so that was also a big part of pushing through that. And there's there's another aspect to like part of it just comes down to when you do something hard for the first time you think like. Oh i can't do this but then you do it again whether it's packing out and elk or or like i've seen this with friends who have kids and whatnot. They think the first kids get killed them right and then they they keep on waking up in the morning and they keep on doing it and you just find out like oh this may not be my favorite but i can. I can do around. Father has a an emerson quote. That has been instilled in me since i was two. And it's a that which you persist in doing becomes easier to do. Not the nature of the thing is changed but your ability to do is increased in also going through and pushing through these mental physical emotional barriers like you said. Most people hit that barrett about their forty percent capability. And go okay. That's that's my true. That's my max one hundred percent and you know if you don't push those limits and those barriers you never you never open up into that other sixty percent of your capability. Yeah absolutely. i took another ill-advised. I've done a number of these I took a. I'm seeing a pattern here. Patterns sequences of events took a friend on another one in utah. And that was one of the things he really said. Afterwards he just graduated from college he was engaged to get married or thinking about getting engaged at the time actually and i invited into do a traverse range in utah and apparently undersold sold the difficulty or something which i try not to do but you know it happens and i just remember looking at him most of the way through the trip and he looks like one of those mountaineer people like just skin peeling from his forehead and lips and just work for poor. Rich sweetie looked just about dead. I remember we got done with this trip. And he's like. I didn't think i could do something like that like well. Yeah you can He's i don't think he's ever done anything like that again. And that's fine. But but she went into the rest of his life knowing. Like i can do something that hard and can push through something like that. And that's that's really a great thing for all of life really and for for me you know. You're you're reminiscing of it. Oh you talk about squeeze me and see what comes out and you know you can take me to a church building. Yeah i'm there. And i can try and try and commune. But when i'm out in the wilderness when it's peacefully quiet i mean that's for me as much of a reason to go chase elk as the protein as it is just to to sit on that ridge and watch the sun come up and and get that reflection meditative communication time of. Who am i what am i doing. Why am i here I have a question for you kind of along the same lines. But i don't think you know you look at a hundred years ago. There were a lot of young men who have experiences where they did stuff. That was really difficult. And i don't think we have that much anymore. Not to the same degree. David and i've talked about this before on fishing trips and south and i've talked about how things have just changed so much. I'm curious for you. Do you think that you know our our society. Maybe desperately needs more things like that to to push the envelope and squeeze some people and see what they're made other especially young men. Yeah i mean making statements about all of society's kind of fraught with peril to a degree. But i think it's pretty undeniable that we have the capability to avoid hard things here in a way that very few people in history. I mean like we don't have to power field or starve. So there is that dynamic and i've i've had the privilege of working with with young people both college students and high school students. I helped her in a wilderness camp for a number of years and we had guys coming from florida and different things and very few of them probably ever picked up you wanting to backpack a lot but having that experience of things. Yeah there's there's a connection to character that i think is really vital. I don't i my favorite way to do it in the outdoors. I think there are other ways you can accomplish some of the same ends right but the mountains or deserts too for that matter just outside going to a place where you strip away. The conveniences of life and a lot of the distractions to quite frankly and you just get down to things that are very basic in very real in gritty and sweat and muscle aches and those kinds of things. Yeah i do think it's important component and certainly for men and for women too but i think that desire you know that was implanted in know by my dad's and it sounds like you to david is something that yeah i. I do think that's an important part of character and it's easy to you. Know it's easy to be good person when everything is going. Well it's very different when it's sleeting and you've rolled out from underneath your tarp tent or whatever and you learn a lot in your life with a wet sleeping bag or you Tried to dry your cope by the fire and it fell in cote yeah. These are all experiences that you know. If you just play video games or watch movies you don't get. And i i was thinking about you know when i come home from alcon. I'm just astonished by. I go to the can lift. A handle and water comes out. I don't have to pump this stuff to boil it. You don't know what's crazy i'm actually thinking of. I can't remember fewer on this trip. Pat pat and i did a number of these trips with my dad when we were young. What second to fourth grade. I think was what most of them happen but there was also seeing examples of someone who does well under pressure as such a big deal. Because when you you guys talk a lot about recruiting new people and this is the rare podcast where you're hunting fishing the everything else. Everything in between Kind of podcast. There was a night where you know we're in wyoming as it does it starts leading and dad didn't have any money for gear so he's taken all us first through sixth grade boys out in to who knows where somewhere he'd never been probably kudos to de by the way that was not an easy task of. Hey let's take your kids out the woods. So he's got like a dozen of us mostly not his kids which makes it makes a different rate and we just had tarps. And so we'd setup tart shelters one of these little boys rolled out from underneath is tarp and got in the sleet freezing cold so my dad like he wakes you know he wakes up probably crying. You know no no shame in that when you're a little guy to freeze too tough right and Dad got him like dad gave up his sleeping bag. Got him back underneath the shelter. Dad's spent the night freezing on one side and burning to a crisp on the other with the campfire and doing that that shuffled around the campfire. Kinda like spooning the campfire and seeing that example of someone who take something that you could call hardship probably safely right. No one's going to say like no. That sounds like it was that was fun and and handling it well and putting someone else in front of themselves and living out like okay you say that you you have these values these principles in this faith but when you see that someone else it's not even it's sometimes. It's not even the experience of you having that right seeing someone else and seeing that example i think another element is is this important. This important for young people young men. Yeah that is seeing someone who mentors them in that and does it well. That's super important. Absolutely and i think the outdoors is one of the best teachers. You know when you're because like you said you'd puts you in situations that are very uncomfortable at times and you have to cope with it and you also have to cope with the thoughts. They come into your head positive and negative right of you know. I can't do this. i can't do this. this is miserable. I'm freezing you know I think back to when we were in college. We took that trip up into the snow as with your family and snowed on in the middle of the night and had to light a fire. That was not easy to light for one and for two we had to keep going all night stay warm because it was brutal but those kind of experiences teacher quite a bit. I think yeah. Absolutely i remember. That was Also you were newly married. As i remember at that point and try and navigate like i'm out here with friends and you know basically family. No we're having a good time trying to do thing and plans are changing and also trying to remember is like i've made promises to love this other person while and so that might mean us not hitting all twenty lakes. We've planned today because that was that particular guide looked at the map and said like hey we can catch a fish twenty lakes and one day that would be awesome and we had to punt on it conditions weren't conducive and we pulled the plug in got out of. There was an interesting trip to say the least but it was fun. There definitely is a time when it's time to pull the plug right and it. Oh it's it's not all the time but there's an it makes it. I think about the dall sheep tang in there on the wall and the night we slept in the cave and book up on our water bladders were frozen and we'd shared the one mountain house for dinner for three of us right so i think we had a snickers bar in a bag of beef jerky and some trail mix to share for breakfast and then it was like twelve hours back camp right brutal at. It's frozen and i fired the jet boil up and it says do not melt snow and ice. I'm like i don't care. I'm going to have water and everything's frozen. Burned the fence off the bottom of it. That was enough to just you know mentally. If you had some weak people go through her hands in there and walk away. It was like well. No okay. we'll just. We'll use this water and we'll had to start putting it inside jackets to thought or are blotters and and get the water but my point was having those hardships but then being able to have the camaraderie to to move forward and having somebody else that can mentally maybe be a little bit crutch for you to lean on and say no. We'll we'll we'll get through this together and then you can move forward. Yeah absolutely and just. And that is the difference of one of the major differences about noon stuff solo versus doing it with with a friend. I mean you get you get to share the memories instead of talking about. Oh this cool thing. I did this the cool thing that we did. And that's such a. That's a richer experience in from mation but there's also yeah you definitely do get to say a crutch is like well. No you're you're much stronger with two people although sometimes that responsibility if you're if you're introducing someone new. You can't really rely on them to do that for you. In that case like especially when you're introducing someone you actually have. I've experienced that. Maybe you guys have to where you actually have to be mentally stronger than you are so low. Because you've got someone else you don't want to freak out or they are freaking out and you gotta be like okay does not just with the hatchet. But we're gonna we're gonna get outta here. We're going to be okay in your head. You're going to ask you remember that kid. They cut his hand open on that one trip with your dad know you remind me so. We had a kid. He was woodland on a piece of wood and he cut his thumb. I mean it was deep was pretty nasty. And i think your data told him not to be wiggling like that but anyway so anyway. This kid cuts his hand. Super deep and your dad went and got the first aid kit and got him ended up but he told him he's like oh. We're not going to pause you to my dad's first aid kit that it sounds like something. My dad's first aid. Kit was ibuprofen and gauze. Yeah i was. Gaza duct tape like that so like gets the first aid. Kit is a slightly misleading rolodex. Roll of toilet paper. We're yeah. I don't remember which getaways that i remember. He cut his thumb. And your dad took care of them but you know i think some of those trips were you know some of the most fun things doing as a kid and you know i look at us now. The three of us. I mean we. We all have our different things that we love to go. Do and Our niche. I guess you could say and a lot of ways but it all kinda hinges around the outdoors and friendships and relationships which are important And so like. I think about you coming down here. You know. we're doing some fishing. Which is kind of more my thing but just hanging out and visiting which is a big deal and i think you know doing a lot of these expeditions style. Things if you have someone to go with you can have some really meaningful conversations and work through some of the stuff that gets squeezed out of you as you go down through all that. Yeah and i do think there's a place in i i've listened to some of the episodes where you guys have talked about some of the advances in technology. Where if you do go. Obviously if you do go so low. It's important to let people. I mean you guys would probably bring this up. If i didn't you know you let people know what your itinerary is and where you're going but even some of the advances in technology as far as if you if you feel like you need to have the capability to say. Hey come get me. There's been some really cool advances in that sort of thing. But i think there's still space for i really really love. It's the is. The main thing i do is go out with people who care about your friends or even someone you just want to know. Better go into the mountains. You'll know them better But i think there is still space for that for that experience of experiencing. How creepy the woods are. When you're by yourself it's it is night and day different. Which is a weird way of saying that. Now that i think about it. But he's like it is not the same thing. The woods are not the same when you're by yourself as when you're with three or four other people even if you've got that fire lit there in the woods are more creepy than you would ever believe when you're by yourself and it's good to experience that and just work through that or just like sit on iraq and be forced to be alone with yourself for awhile. It's i think there's still space for that. And if someone has the try it like you can do it better than i did. The swiss trip for sure. Yeah i would. I wouldn't recommend like pack pre-packaging all of that hardship. But it's really worth experiencing you just want to be smart about it. And we're not talking about experiencing the outdoors like the koa or with your generator or with your car. Five feet away and you put a put a sleeping bag on the ground. We're talking in a. I don't care if it's alps trips or a strange trip or a wind river trip. We're talking where you've walked far enough away from the car that it's we wake up in the middle night either scared or alone or wet or there's a misery you don't just go hop in the car and go home and an end this. It's like well. I'm gonna take eight hours and hike back out or am i going to like like you said the only way through the to suffering keep going. Right toughened up and go. Yeah i was thinking about this. Most recent trip. I took spent a lot of time in the mornings is going down by the lake. Just sit on iraq and just take it all in you know. There's something special about that. I think is not lost on any of us on this podcast. That's important. But i wanna talk you know towards the interior to wrap up. I wanna ask you a couple of other things about your trip. So how long to take for your feet to not become the to basically heal from being hamburger the the blisters the first thing to heal up and that just you know all ahead to do was get rid of those boots and not where i wore flops for probably a month afterward. The worst thing was that overuse injury in that achilles. And that i think i one of the cool things about that trip is with fall trip so i think i got done near. I think september twenty third is when i actually was flying home and it was november before i wear hiking boots again. So what brand of boots were they want to say. Yeah they were. I have weird feet i. That's that's the big disclaimer. In this whole thing they were a solo boots up till that trip. They'd been my favorite boots. I'd ever had boots. Are you running. Now i've got contracts. Now penn so when you home you know coming back to you. Know your your everyday and coming back. What what were your big takeaways from doing that trip. What did you learn. Yeah i i really do some of. That's really fairly hard to put into words because there's just a part of it was a sense of satisfaction to have done something like that and i took my journal entries and the photographs i. I'm i'm fairly enthusiastic photographer. And it was a great place to go. So i had hundreds and hundreds of really spectacular pictures are rather the pacers. Maybe weren't that spectacular. But the things. I took pictures of. Were putting that together in kind of just memorializing that that trip and reflecting on it's really cool and satisfying to do something that big that was that was one of the things and just to know. I've mentioned like knowing where your limit is. While after that trip. I knew it was a little further than that right. Didn't find if you actually find by survive. That i can. I can do one percent more. That's that's right. Yeah the goal is to know like to get an idea but if you actually find out where the breaking point was then. That's probably a bad thing. But i do. I call that a killer hiker in my family to he went to kill a hiker so i think that was a big part of it. I think just going into life with a little extra bulking up on some mental toughness was really a a huge. Take away because it's like okay. I'm when i face hard things you have something. Even if it's a really different kind of challenge you still have access to that mental toughness. You've logged away. So that was a big thing and just the conversations with. I still think about some of those days where it's like. Oh man. What's inside of me when i'm stressed when i'm when i'm hurting or whatever kind of that i look back and think about those time so it's kind of a way point or for people who love hiking is kind of a cairn. It's a marker that makes sense it's always good to reflect on what you've done and see what lessons can be learned from it the other thing that we need to talk about because it's a big deal and all of our families is And this is changing gears big time but we ask everybody this question. What's your favorite protein or meal that you procure from the wilderness. And how do you cook it and prepare it You knew this was coming. I mean you know i did. And it's it's a difficult difficult question to answer. So one thing that i have to say that i might put in a little bit differently than the majority is for me. It's really great to have the proteins important. What else you have with the protein. I really enjoy it. If i i love to mushroom pec so if i can have that protein with morales or in the fall shan trails or beliefs that really adds a lot. We have a cranberry bog strangely randomly in the in idaho. That i won't tell you where you'd have to come with me. I'll show you where it is. Is it misery. We have a cranberry bog that you know when you make make something in your. You've got those extra things. So i really enjoy when there's another aspect of foraging in but i got a chance to to get a moves a few years back and it just. It doesn't get any better in my mind than than that. I love the the taste. But there's there's so many different good ways to do it. Like i've i've really gotten more into using whole roasts and doing doing like whole muscle package roast. I've been getting into a little bit of shirk kutaragi like doing stuff like that. And it's like yeah doing a doing like morning breakfast. Fresh pastrami with some eggs and stuff. That's really hard to be especially if you've got some mushrooms to go with it and since we're on the topic of food we gotta talk about high mountain seasonings and we actually had some. What was that yesterday was. Yeah yeah so. We had some trout that that suffered flayed out and wanted to pan fry in so we had the western style. Trout seasoning made by high mountain on there and that was delicious. Wasn't it true story because they they're not they're not sponsoring me. I said i need. I need to get some of this. I usually don't like trout. I'm i'm a catch and release fisherman with trout generally because i don't think they're leg legless lizards But that That really did. After we had let pat. I need to take some of that home with me because it. Yeah i endorse it. So it is that time of season two. I mean everybody's out neither catching fish shooting l. gallup deer. If you haven't tried high mountain seasonings you need to go. Check them out or hi. Mt and jerky dot com and get those check out. I'm sure david you're going to be making up some stuff here pretty quick but we have a we have back strap and i like to take an eye. Preseason the back strap before a vacuum seal it so that way when you thought out. It's already you know. 'cause i throw it in the in the fridge about a day before we're going to cook it. Let it just naturally thought in the fridge and already seasoned and i'm gonna upgrade to a a smoker not not a smoker smoker but a smoking barbecue. I think going to get the green mountain. But i'm looking at the triggers to and that the way i've talked about. We talked about several times slice. That almost all the way through and half stuff some cream cheese and some jalapenos in there. It's already got high on the outside. Wrap it with some bacon and toothpicks. Cook it till the cream. Cheese bubbles out of the middle of this meat log slice. It they gotta stopped. Steph is soul. 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RADCast Outdoors Episode #54: Hunting and Fishing Etiquette in the Field and on the Water

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #54: Hunting and Fishing Etiquette in the Field and on the Water

"This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast designed putting fishing and everything in between this is red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards. Well hello everybody and welcome to another episode of rag castile doors. I'm patrick edwards. Dom david merle. And we're here in the studio powered by bo spider bringing you another episode and just wanted to say a quick shout out to david and all the work. He's been doing here The studios coming along looks good man. It's been you know it's been a task. We poured the concrete a year ago today. And now we're actually in here and it's our own space. We don't have to schedule it. We don't have to ask for permission. And in a one of these days we'll have it one hundred percent finished and we'll post some photos up but yeah it's it's cool to have our own space. It's very cool and both spiders been going nuts. You guys have been ship in and doing a lot of things. So why don't you give us a quick update on that. Oh you know we've We've struggled really hard to keep it in stock for the last year we just keep doubling and tripling order volumes. And we're we're hiring staff and training people and it's it's cool. It's neat to see that. The problem i had is now a solution for everyone right when i couldn't get my bow now. Everybody else can get there. And it's it's. It's a little bigger than i ever wanted it to be patrick really i mean i think we got between part time and full timers. Eleven people that report to me. And that's you know as you know that's a little scary to be making decisions for eleven people every day so well and i remember a few years ago when you were talking about doing this that you know we talked about. It's gonna go nuts one of these days. I told you it would do that. And now it's doing it but when we were talking about it i was working and a graveyard shift job taking care of my kid during the day going to school and and in my free time which there wasn't much of working on this harebrained idea that now i get to do every day so i am very thankful very blessed. Yes yep and i wanted solloway secret there in stock right now so if you wanna get one you'd better hurry up They've got dealer orders coming in so those are sucking up the inventory so if you wanna buy one directly from both spider you'd better get on the website and get it done. We're we're you know elbows deepen getting it done as quick as we can. So i understand the frustration when i wanna get something. They're not in stock. We're trying but yeah with hunting season coming. You better start thinking about if you wanted to get one of these. You want to try one. You know wait. Until august thirtieth and saying hey. I have a september hunt on the six september. Can i get one probably not gonna happen. Guess we're trying. But i it with just with machining lead times. We're having to forecast now for october november and it's june. Yep so get on it if you want to get him. Go spider dot com get. Your order placed get that done It would pay off if you do it now. As opposed to august. Believe me this podcast is going to be dedicated to all of you about some of the etiquette things you should be thinking about in the field on the stream. Wherever you're going to be so david and i are going to jump into that. We're gonna start off with hunting. So david tell me what are some of the especially the don'ts for hunting. The biggest one is you know everybody wants to scout and scouting is vital to success. I mean you need to know where you're at where you're you know especially if l. cutting the more years you're in the same area the the mortgage knowledge you gain as far as hey these ultra normally here. If they're not here they go here and you know you find those intersection points. I remember reading a study. A longtime ago about the starkey starker experimental forest in oregon. It's a forty thousand or sixty thousand acres of high fence game preserve they call her the elkin make the guys where trackers and they just have done twenty or thirty years worth of research in there as really cool one little tech tip i picked up is a person. Walking scares elk. Like three hundred yards. A truck scares elk at about an eighth. Or sixteenth of a mile anna. Atv four wheelers scares elk about half or three quarters of a mile right. So and that's scientific proven data of this l. is right here as a human got closer and closer and closer depending on their mode of travel is when the spooked. So you know that leads me into scouting and this is why brought that up and you know i think scouting is important. I i do but you know if you've got a tag for x and a season is open for. Why especially if you know if you're going scouting in oh yes. Ilker are moving morning and evening and that's quote unquote when you wanna be looking for them. But if there's an open mule deer archery season out there or an open antelope season in your just zooming right through the prime habitat scaring all the animals way while. Somebody's run around the bow instead of a rifle that that's probably one of my biggest pet peeves is. I'm out there putting a stock on trying to do my hunt and here comes somebody while i'm a weekly. I'm just going to be at her scout. And scaring all the game for me. That's that's not right so especially for you being a bow hunter. I mean that's gotta be really difficult. You know you're working animals. You're working in an area and all the sudden truck drivers down the highway and scares everything out of the way. Is that what you're talking about. Yeah and i mean it. A blatant blatant one. Is you know you have anti hunters who see somebody pursuing a game and stop and honked her horn and yell and scream and right and that's actually illegal in interrupting a lawful hunter in the field lawfully pursuing game disturbing that is against the law. So don't don't be doing that but it's just as simple as you park your walking out wherever and somebody comes up behind you in is just being inconsiderate in and so if you are gonna scout one of the biggest tips i have. Yes i told you from the beginning. This is scouting is important. But if you're scouting for a rifle season in two weeks move around midday and just go you know. You're you're welcomed. I'll be out there public land. I'm not saying don't be there. I'm saying don't be scared. Elk intentionally if you if you come across delk and you know there's other hunters in the area. Don't be spoken them kind of like that you know. Put the other person's shoes on your feet for a little bit mark and their shoes. Because i mean if you're that guy who's going out scouting and you see that. There's someone hunting that area you know that. It's prime time for bow hunting. You should probably just stay away. I mean there's just no point and going in spoiling that the other thing to check and see what's open if the bow season is open. Don't be doing it early in the morning late in the evening you know let people definitely do definitely go pre scout definitely going to go hiking and check. Are they using the swallow and know where they're at that leads me to kind of the next one and there's this meam that circled around that just puts a puts a perfect picture on it. But there's there's like a stadium bathroom with like twenty urinals lined up right and there's a guy in there talking about using the urinal and they put different states above it but they put opening morning and literally some come up and use the urinal right next to the guy there's ten either side of them he could use. But i'm gonna use the one right next to you right. That's public land hunting is. I've got up early hiked out. I'm up on this ridge. Maybe i'm taking a youth or my wife or we're gonna go later this fall right and we're standing there. We've we've parked hiked out on a ridge and somebody walks up stands right next to you so you anything yet. It's like you saw attracts in the snow. You know we're on this ridge. Why couldn't you go half a mile down and go stand on the next ridge right. Why are you twenty yards from behind me talking to me like everything like. We're a day in the park taking our kids for a stroll so and when he what what does it mean to buddy up to me. Don't crowd me you. What if we're bow hunting. I want a several hundred yard distance between you and me if we're rifle hunting not two or three hundred yards. I want about a thousand yards right Depending on weapons and capability. I can shoot three to five hundred yards. I don't need you standing hundred yards away from me. Now if you're at the trail head and you're at the truck no big deal but if you're actively pursuing game when i'm a mile off of any road or trail and i'm up posted on a ridge it's kind of now it's public land. It's not my ridge maters. there's another ridge a mile. Either side of me go to that one well in that transcends hunting and fishing and we'll talk about that a little bit but why so you know i guess this just kind of leave off on now and it's like you know a lot of us go the outdoors to kind of have a from people anyway and so. It's a good idea that you don't just go explorer. Go be go be out there. You don't have to be right next to the other hunters. And i mean by all means i what i do a lot of times is i just pick a point on the compass. Let's talk pheasant hunting for a little bit right If all i do pheasant hunting like ocean lake if if anybody listen to this could look at a map. Their release birds on ocean lake. And there's on wednesdays and saturdays every parking place has ten trucks out there. You can't not get past people right and you can go out there in the afternoon after he hits it and still kill birds because people pass birds up but i just pretty much pick a. I'm gonna walk this patch from north to south and stay on that compass. And i'm headed that direction if somebody's coming east to west and we're gonna train wreck in each other. I just hold up. Let them hunt through in front of me right. Because if i just keep changing direction every time i run into somebody wouldn't be doing figuring out there pretty quick so and same thing works for big game hunting. If i'm just still hunting through patch of woods and definitely you know if somebody doesn't know you're there get attention a little bit. Just and i don't have i don't have to walk up to you if three hundred away and talk to you and tell you what i'm doing if i'm standing there facing north and classing north don't hike up from the south behind me hike over and then just are through there right if we're big game hunting and i'm actively hunting an area but at the same in time if i come up behind somebody else. It's maybe sitting on a rock just glass in there. Maybe they fallen asleep. Give them a couple little whistles and some hand signals and i just don't give me the i go on this way of fun. I don't need to come interrupt your hunt right. I'm i see you there. I know you're there. I'm gonna go completely different direction and go a thousand yards up to ranger five hundred yards down the drain of look off to a place. They can't see right. So and sometimes you need a disco converse a. Hey i mean i'm going to bow hunters drainage where you going to go. The seasoning well. If you're going to go hunt this drainage go over and most time. Patrick in the wilderness. I go there. Because i don't wanna see people. If i see boot tracks we talked about this. I'm just automatically going to trail and that's a good thing. Get some time away. I don. I don't want to beat the dead horse it's great. It's great to get up there. And i want to just be immersed in nature and i'm okay sharing but at the same point in time i don't need you sitting next to me exactly now. I did meet one of my best hunting buddies. One of my other buddies and i were sitting on a wallow middle the day and he came through scouting two or three days before seasoned a solo. And i was like well. You know where we can pal around together for a couple of days. And just because here's a guy couple miles in the wilderness scouting checking out meadows Here's a guy that's go. Get her getting after it And i mean it's turned into. I loved hung with that guy. So i think it comes back to the value of permission right like you think about it with fishing and hunting when you're gonna share intel or you're going to share spots and you're going to work together. There's a big part of gaining that trust and getting that permission kind of work together right and being on the same page well. Another one on the same page as just step back for a moment. Forget heated and getting arguments and whether it's parking spot or who's got right away or who should have this and you know if we just step back a little bit. i realize everybody's out there to enjoy it. And yeah there's some jerks out there. I don't recommend you be one. But you know. I think about when i'm going up and down to some of these trail heads with my horse trailer and truck. If you're running up there in your side by side-by-side etiquette is you find a spot pullover and the one loaded acts up. The one loaded going downhill has right away over the one loaded going uphill right it. Just i got no brakes and going downhill with a horse trailer and four horses. Get out of my way. Please write in. Oh and so. I did hit a truck head on on my dirt bike out in the woods on a gravel road just flying up. The road didn't give chuck right away. Couldn't get outta road in time. Probably shouldn't have been riding the speed. I was on a busy gravel road. I was eighteen. I learnt i'm lucky. I'm still alive but that that is definitely one kind of that. Golden rule is really. Treat others how you want to be treated but also step back and just kind of analyze the situation of like. I've talked on that earlier. Podcast of we rolled into a lake. Taking the youth camping. I was permitted with the forest service to camp at that lake in that spot. I'm not gonna be able to move five hundred yards around the side of lake legally. You're now asking me to break the law when you have two small tents and you could do that. So that's one of the big ones is just analyze it you know. How would you feel if you're standing on that ridge waiting for daylight and somebody comes over right at daylight right and shoots a buck out from underneath you that maybe you didn't even see but and sometimes what happens. One group of hunters doesn't see the other come hiking through. And i'm just more focused on hunting and i just don't see you especially archer hunting. You're standing still in camel. I may not know you're there. It may not be intentional. Sometimes it is. And i mean you get into more of those crowded unit. And it's i mean the difference of alaska fishing on the keanae bank verses fishing on the bank on boylston right I mean it's pretty much nomenclature. If i'm fishing on the bank on bison you don't come stand six feet for me now if you wanna be eighty ninety yards down the bank and we parked in the same area and you walk out okay and after twenty thirty minutes fishing if you wanna come converse with me for a minute and say hey can accomplish next to you or you know what. Hey i'm just gonna go on the other side of us at all right and sometimes you get told. Yeah sometimes you get told no and it's public land. Nobody has the right to block access to anybody. And i'm not talking about private land. I mean the the biggest two cents to have on private land as far the tip. And whatever is as a private landowner. I'm not we. We have sixteen acres here. And i usually raise three presents. They're not my pheasants but we usually harvest one of them leave to to breed and half more visits right I've caught a couple people on my little sixteen acres walk in my fence and shooting pheasants right and yeah i get it. They've either got permission from a neighbor. Whatever but they're not really paying attention and that into my properties not posted really well well in the state. it doesn't have to be right so independent. Check your local laws. Don't be breaking the law out there. That's the one of the biggest ones and you know. Ignorance to the law is no excuse. Yeah and i think on hunting etiquette to remember way you learned in safety. I mean you know fair chase those kind of things. Because that's one of the. I see out in the field or people are just wink ripping off shots that they shouldn't be taking for one. Oh i've seen it where you're standing. No joke sanded about seven hundred yards with a youth going. You know we'll just wait and get a little closer and somebody literally eleven hundred yards behind you start shooting over the top of you at those elkin your turn around your four hundred money like you can see us here and your now shooting over us at those same elk higher up the mountain. It's like this competition for that resources. It can turn ugly as we've seen more than once or twice so yeah just routed have fun and get meet but safety is the number one thing especially in hunting. 'cause lot can go wrong really fast and so. I don't know if you wanted to speak more to that. I mean as a bow hunter especially you know on the field. The safety aspect is huge. It is and i mean. There's a story i heard when i was a youth of guy snuck in on and elk and some guy shot from above the alcott's seventy eight yards and he was like forty yards below him waiting for a good shot. They missed and they stuck a broadhead and his calf he starts screaming like seven miles in the wilderness. And they thought they were. He was mad at him so they took off and the guy had to turn his leg damn near bled to death and had to crawl crawl with a broad head sticking through his legs. So you know that no you're target what's behind it back to the basics of hunter safety we all you know shooting at a skyline animal. Just just don't do it. Don't do it Another one that. Just talk about etiquette. Patrick the beer cans i. I'm sorry if you're up there you're going to have a few and drive around side by side. I'm not. I'm not one to to tell your name right. I'm if you're gonna go camping for the weekend and have a few but pick them up. Yes that i can go in the woods and almost every time bringing track back on the back of my four wheeler of just right down the road and about every quarter mile. Somebody decided toss their next beer. Can out in it. I don't know who's doing it in the same thing with shooting signs. You know what the the time we've talked about this. And i've beat this dead horse. No your rifle. No you're equipment. Go to the range be dialed in and be ethical and lethal with it. We've talked about it. How many times going to the mountain and being oh. I haven't signed my rif win. Here's a nice. You know road curve sign. And i'm just going to sit my truck and lean over the mayor and make sure my guns on driving up and down the road hoping i see something that you're given hunting and hunters a bad name if that's you or that you've been taught that way that's not driving up and down the road and a pickup drinking beer with a loaded. Firearm is just not not conducive to safety not conducive to giving us a good image so you know whoever shooting signs. I'll i'll buy you some some paper plates and some cardboard boxes right. go shoot. 'em pick them up take him back to camp. It is same thing like when we go shoot clay pigeons. We pick up all our empty shells. We pick up the boxes now. I don't condone picking up the clay pigeons but the clay-pigeon box the big cardboard box. We take that with us of course and so that. Pack it in pack out. I'll pack it impacted. It's that simple. But every year we see an in fishing too. I mean what all the time. What do i joke. But only go the starter. Pack of litter fishing spots as a can of energy drink usually red bull monster can worm container and a cigarette marlboro package every every time. So i mean it trans. It transitions from big game. Hunting fishing whatever. You're doing one specific to hunting. Is field dressing right and you know the biggest things i can say is not everybody appreciates that and there's nothing wrong shooting a nice meal dear right off the pack trail you know among your you're hiking down the pack trail in the wilderness and here's a mule deer and you shoot him great kicked gut pile one hundred two hundred yards down the hill off the trail. Leaving it to feed off the side of the trail as a marker of your territory awesome. I'm glad you got one. But the next people from pick a state that are just going to go hike that peak are not going to appreciate that and so you know having having a pile that you dispose of properly and whether that's maybe you go out here right around home and you shoot an antelope. You know taken dumping it at the carcass off the road s. Not a great spot. Either you know. Get it a couple of hundred. Just get it out. It doesn't need to be blatant in everybody's face. i'm not saying. Try to hide what we do or discourage or over that. We're doing anything wrong. I'm just saying you know what your dirty laundry goes into washing machine not on facebook anger. Yeah so that that is one unique to hunting is trying and i do the the gut with method and so it does look a little. It looks like there's waste left there. But if you research it and google you can get the tenderloins. The back straps all the quarters all the neck meet. And there's an i mean yes there's some remain on a big bull elk. It's a it's less than a gallon block bag and when it's seven miles in in and y on check your late some state some states. You're not allowed to even feel dressed. you know. And alaska that ramirez. Come out and i take it out. We took it out. She funding when i'm backpacking horseback. That i'm sorry but they okra meet just. It doesn't make great burger it now. If you can get milk out whole at home. I put those ribs. I cut him with his also. Put him on the barbecue there. But there's a difference between trying to cut him and backpack them out or back and having a whole cow elk here so definitely that one is we. We talked about. Clean up after yourself. Quitting shooting signs. And i'll pick up. Just leave the campsites were. I don't care if your tent camping. Rv camping horse camping leave that campsite cleaner than when you found it and it doesn't take but you know when we load up whether we're loading up on horses and backpacks or in vehicles take five minutes. Have everybody there. Just walk around a little trash bag and do a fifty two pickup of every little thing. That's not nature. Yep yeah unfortunately you know if you talked to state parks guys. They deal that a lot. You know where people just leave a ton of stuff on the ground when they leave the campsite. It's like it's not that hard to pick it up. You know you're probably taking trash bags. Throw your trash. Hope you are so just pick them up. It's not that big of a deal in. Oh finally we talked about respecting one way. Traffic on roads as a horse guy. When i'm going up and down the trail. Especially if i've got my kid my wife and some loaded packhorses behind me you know. Give us some space and kind of the same rule. The one lotus the heaviest in the one loaded going downhill house right away right to pack trains. Come against each other. It's fun especially get on those mountains switchback trails but stepping one step off. I got a pack or sit scott sixteen inch twenty inch bags hanging off each side. You know in. Llamas that is probably my. I've used llamas. Llamas are great. If if you're just new into this and you wanna get into some wilderness backpacking and you know not not have a ton of experience in horses. Are there different levels as we've talked about you know Llamas come with little panel little bags. They buckle on like a backpack like burson and they have a leash like a dog in the eat. Everything and they need water every two days. Llamas are and there's a bunch of places at random. You can pull a little too to stall horse trailer behind your mid size. Suv rent to llamas and inquiry about seventy pounds all day long and you can get up to ninety pounds for short distance. You can with three llamas. You compact whole elk out so long as our good good option horses hate llamas and when i've got loaded horses and kids and get those llamas a hundred yards off trail. I don't wanna see him. Smell them here. But that's just my two cents. I'm not trying to harp on anybody. But this is things if you're hiking up trailing know and here comes a guy with horses with i've had as many as thirty behind me but if i got ten horses and you've got to lamas you're getting out of the way right same thing backpack and if there's a group of ten backpackers coming towards you and your one don't stand military. Get off trail at them. Pass and then you can move on your way so yeah well. We can kind of transition to fishing. I think that's back to the golden rule on the hunting just to wrap it all up. Go back to hunter safety. Check those things definitely. Don't be the the the beer can sign shooter but just if it comes to an ethics situation of should i shoot this animal and somebody else's standing there just put yourself in their shoes right and maybe they can't see the animal and that's fine but if they're scoping up and they're getting ready and you look at them and say all they're seeing something you'll go there's deer and you shoot it. Well i think that's they've already spotted. They're already on it right and so finally it does happen. Occasionally if two people shot the elk usually the rule of thumb is the one that put the vital shot. sometimes it's the one that made the first shot. But typically i i kind of go with you know and there's two situations here one is. We've got a better meal. Dear buck i spotted it and we're we're now talking more rifle not archery. But if there's two arrows in our studios in the one closer to the best kill is is victor and if that beck buck is bedded and i shoot and somebody else shoe. Twenty stands up. It's kind of hard to tell. That's a really tough situation. That's guys getting arguments. The other one is. I'm cal elk hunting and i shoot it. A cow elk her out on a herd. The herd runs over one of the cal. Stop somebody underside. Shoots a cow elk. That standing there because it's wounded right and falls over. That's a little bit harder to say who hit it. Where who's elk is right. Because they didn't know on the other side of the hill but in. Oh it's i can't say this is the definite rule it situation by situation based but it's definitely it's not worth getting into a screaming match or or shooting each other over it right so definitely an alien suitable elkin. It goes running down the ridge somebody else's air and shoots it again. It happens but typically the the guy that put the either the first or the lethal shot and it. It's really situation dependent. I can't sit here and say one hundred percent of time. This is an even in our own party a couple times. The guy out front is sean. Nelken it's run back and stood next to the caller and the collar. Shot him again. And it's like no. You made the for shot. It was a lethal shot. He would have expired but he was standing there. He presented shot opportunity took and right wrong or indifferent. Maybe and sometimes you don't know when you're archery hunting if that first guy especially the way we alcon we. We don't get very far from each other. 'cause grizzly bears but a lot of times. I can't see the guy in front of me and you don't always know if that oaks hit or not. Sometimes it's just an elk comes running any kaokoland stop it and it's like why did you shoot. Myocardium shot it's like why didn't know right her your bogo off. But i didn't see the elkin. See you didn't shot. Here was an elk presented a shot and so but kind of in our own party. We've already figured it out together. Shot i. it's kind of his elk. Now he shot missed. That's a different story right complicated. there's complicated level. So tell me about fishing etiquette. Yeah so the number one thing in my book and everybody who's finished with me will know this. They'll be like yeah. That's definitely patrick. Great there's you know when you're on a body of water it can be a reservoir it can be a lake. It can be a stream river whatever it is. Give people room. Yeah we talked about it. You know you talked about the me. What the urinal. It's totally that way. A growing up in cheyenne one of the best fisheries that was close with glendow reservoir in anybody from wyoming that knows cuando reservoir knows it is overrun with people from other states. I'm not gonna say who Under the you guys. I'm picking you guys but no anyway one of the things that used to drive me crazy. There is that you know. I catch a wall. I off of a point and there's eight other boats out on the lake. All fishing five hundred yards from each other. They could be a mile away. And i don't know if they have been or what their radar all the sudden. You've got thirty boats sitting right next to you. So one of the things. I tell people you know. If you're out of body water you wanna fish spot. If you're not the first one there that's too bad for you. You know you can wait or you can go fishing other spot and the nice thing about most bodies of water is there's other spots so you don't have to sit there ten feet from somebody. This happened to us not long ago or fishing spot so my wife and i went keyhole where fishing spot this boat pulls up with the were. We're on the shoreline this boat pulls up because we're catching crappy rate like literally got fifteen feet away from me like where you're casting. Yeah and i'm like really guys really like there's crappy all up and down this area like come on you know like we had to hike over a quarter of a mile up this rocky embankment and then down it to get to this spot and you're fishing right in our in our space. So one of the things. I'll tell our listeners is be cognizant of giving people space and that's also with your boat you know if you're driving the full speed down the reservoir. Don't go right next to somebody. Who's trolling or who is parked on the reservoir somewhere to being be safe. You know it goes back to the knowing the rules. Regulations like we were talking about with hunter safety. It's public. I mean it's a public lake. If i want to be out there to being great but if somebody's sitting here actually actively gibb gigging. Don't pull up. I mean patrick. I got to water ski boat. And i like to wait board right. I love them. The kids like the tube but if somebody's over there fishing we go to the other side of the lake because we just need to open water. We don't yeah well one. And that's why i told somebody this weekend. They were joking about their jetskis or like. Yeah i'm gonna be looking for you while you're fishing. I'm gonna come harass you. Like well you know i keep muskie bates on the boat just for that so when you go by i can get you as you go by. Tell him. david likes to cast a blast for what comes to mind is when i was a kid doing the the south. Em drift boat fishing for steelhead on the in oregon. There'd be a ton of bank. He's right and we'll get into bank fishing but real quick with the drift boat. Is you know. don't anchor up in the whole that ten guys are bank fishing fish through it and the next holdout has nobody in it. Right fish there is there. They can't move around but at the same time the bank fishermen every time. If there's like a line of fifteen bank fishermen every time a drift boat comes through your watch. One of those bank. Fisherman hooks up because the boat moved the fisher around and moved deficient place where he's susceptible got and that that that is act not fiction so then you can say thank you as they go by that river. I always had the shotgun in the little fish rod holder on the front and they quit throwing their lures and hitting the boat. Once i started back in the twelve gauge. All the biggest thing without is just be respectful. Like like i said before. Put yourself in that other person's shoes. I'm a fear if you're on a spot and you're catching fish you know it's like you don't want people crowding you so if you see somebody catching fish. You shouldn't just rush over with your boat and get within ten feet and be like. Hey how's it going you know. They're they're not going to be receptive to that. Neither would you so on the keanae. That's a little different. That's different deal. But they're still advocate. You know when you're when you're combat fishing the guy upstream of you. You know the the guy downstream gas and then the guy upstream of him cast and then the guy upstream and then you all drift down together and kinda real up in wait for that guy at the bottom line to cast and then nobody's cast in over each other. Don't be guy that comes in. I mean you'll have you'll see fifty people standing and they're all kind of casting in unison and floated down in casting in unison and floating down and then you get one guy in the middle that comes up. And he's like. I don't need to dance to this rhythm right. And then he's casio wherever entangling up and It's as saving on boats on that river. It's catch a king. And it's like ted boats around ya. I know so that would be my number. One thing is just be respectful of space. Give people room. Let people do what they need to do. The second thing and this is everyone who's listening knows me he's gonna be like. Oh that's totally. Patrick is be respectful of people with their spots because in fishing spots and information is very important. What's the first rule of fishing with panic. The first rule of fight club is we. Don't talk about fight club. Okay guys but no seriously like when you take somebody fishing and you know like i guess if you're invited along in a good fisherman takes you and they say hey. This is one of my special spots. That's not something you throw up on facebook and instagram. As you're going to go back to you next weekend with without your buddy so again that whole permission piece. I think is important having an understanding before you go because i have spots and patterns that i don't show everybody why well because i've been burned before you know and it's not cool like you wanna show people that you wanna share it with and you know we're going to be respectful of that but there are people who will just ruin a resource and so that leads into this next piece is that there are people who will absolutely destroy fishery. Yeah if you if you get certain times a year and everybody knows this certain species. They'll be grouped up really tight. They're very susceptible to being caught. And there are people who are not ethical and who will keep every single fish that they catch and they will wear out spot they will wear out a pattern. They will wear out a species. Don't be those people. Those people are the worst of the worst in my opinion in the fishing industry. People like that just need to find another hobby because it's very disrespectful to all the other anglers it's disrespectful to you. The fisheries managers. It's disrespectful to all the people that live in that area. You know those resources are there. They should be enjoyed but they should be enjoyed within the parameters that had been set by that fisheries management. You know the game fish here. We all want to go out and get a bag limit right and it's cool to be able to do that but if you're the guy that's going out day after day after day the same spot same spot. Same spa in baghlan after battling pretty soon. Guess what's going to happen. Everybody the bag limits. Going down. And i know i harp the big game thing right but what came to mind while you were talking about that is water fouling right or even pheasant. I take you to one of my pheasant spots. Or i take you one of my waterfowl spots or i take you on my game spots. Elk you better not be back in there the next weekend with your buddy saying oh yeah we killed a big bowl right here or you or we gotta limited ducks right here. That's that respect. Peace right patrick. If you have confidence in me to take me fishing to one of your spots and you spent days and hours and years on that lake learning that fishery keep that information. Kind of privileged. Yep i've had you know an i'll say this i am not the best angler out there. I don't even pretend to be. There are guys in this community here in river to kick my butt up one side and down the other fishing. They're really good. They've been doing it for thirty forty years. They've got tons of knowledge and if they invite me to go fishing. Guess how much. I talk about it. Zip it's like. And why is that while. It's because i respect the fact that those guys have spent decades decades figuring this out and they were nice enough to take a long. Show me a couple of things you know that i could use and show me some whether it be a new rig that they use a new cadence that they use when they real- it in maybe a shelf that i didn't know it was there gravel pile but that is not something that you go be like. Hey i'm gonna impress all my friends on facebook. And i'm going to write you know i'm going to write this long article on where this is at give out. Gps locations like that's not what it's about You know and sometimes i will ask people it'd be like hey if if you're willing if you're not that's okay. Would you mind helping me find x. species on sometimes people are and sometimes they aren't. And i don't lose respect for them if they don't share with me because i get it. Well if they do. I do reciprocate that. he owns. Like you've heard me tell the joke a couple of times and i've heard you reciprocate this joke. Is you know when people ask me where i got milk or when somebody asks you where you got a fish you know you always put your finger in the corner. Mouths that got them right here in the mouth in the mouth and i always. I always point right here by my shouldering. Got right here. Right or i say. Got him in the woods or you say. Where'd you get. that fish. Caught him in the water exactly and some people ask that question and they're just naive right there just like no. We're where do you that's awesome. Where do you get one. And i honestly have no problem sharing some sponsors sharing ideas or some tips but there's also the group that's maliciously doing it. Where'd you get it. So that i can go to that exact same spot and i mean it in the hunting world. Patrick goes to when you take a photo they will geo tagging and look up the coordinators or look at the background and so sometimes some of my kill photos fishing. We we have a really epic really cenex thing that might now. We're into round table and take just out of the water. I don't want anybody to know Which lake whereas out. What time of day. What time of year. We're just going to get a picture of the fish in the bird. And i mean i don't want this to come off wrong because i mean you could listen all that be like man patrick's a real jerk about this. No are people that share a lot of information with because i trust them right. And that's something that's earned and you know takes time. I am happy to help especially kids you. I'm happy to help them find a spot where they can catch fish and where they're going to produce the thing. I have a problem with is. I've had people in my life be like. Hey where did you catch that. And then next thing you know guys taken home one or two limits day and you'd ask them at all. You told me so. I went there. And there's there are bodies of water and there are entire drainage -is in this state just our state alone. There definitely underutilized. And that's what makes it so alluring to go out and fish you know but it takes. I think of the high mountain lakes you know. It takes hiking into two or three and camping overnight and fishing at figure out this lake. This time of year with this fly is going to produce some awesome fishing. And if i am nice enough to share that confidence hey go up. Have a weekend at this lake. Go enjoy go have fun. I'm sharing public land with you but don't come but on facebook that x. Lake in the wind river range is producing this golden trout take this fly and just because other people who aren't willing to put the effort in workout to find their own spot. We'll find that information and like you said they'll tell twenty people in the next time you go in that lake. It could be five years in a row. You go up there every weekend and enjoy catch a few fish camp fishing's always great. You know you. I i can think of a lake right now. You you've taken me too. I'm not naming it. It's it's no name lake. We went and killed some nice fish and and big fish and it was relatively easy fishing and there wasn't hard. I think there was one group of fishermen that walked past while we were there all day and yeah it was an it was awesome right but why is it awesome because it hasn't been blab on social media and people can't just drive up here and put an x. On a map and not have to do any sort of legwork and we're not picking on any of the other states not not too bad. Anyway as i know they pick on wyoming to you know why they say it doesn't exist and we're okay with that yeah. Wyoming doesn't exist at all Another thing that is really important about fishing is going back to something that david alluded to earlier. Which is cleanliness. One of the things that you see in fishing often times as people are very disrespectful as far as they throw a worm containers all across the banks a bank fishermen. Pick up your line. That used line that you know you gotta snagging you have one hundred yards align or fifty feline or whatever you know what i do you ticket and you wrap it around your hand you know until you get a nice tight role of it stick in your pocket and then you can throw it away when you get home or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich bag and just put a little bit of trash and that bag after you eat. You're saying right. Or you know the other one. I told you you know. There's seems like more and more. There's energy drink cans and of course there's always beer cans on Cigarettes soda bottles and all that stuff. Just pick that stuff up. It doesn't take that long. I was i was on. Boylston is a few weeks ago and there were tons of bottles floating down because we have the runoff going right now. Tons of bottles. Different things like this stuff is easy to fix. Young sportsmen were responsible just picked it up. it's not that hard. Pick up after yourself. The other one is big is if you have kids and you've ever experienced this is pick up your hooks if you leave hooks laying on the bank or you find where someone got snagged up and you can toss it. Haphazardly pick up those books. You know you don't wanna little kid stepping on it. You don't want to get snagged by and is it just makes no sense to me why anyone would want to leave that behind. Oh as a as a more of a water sports enthusiast anaheim out there barefoot trying to go skiing and wake born. We're taking people on and off the beach glass bottles to throw my buzzer legal by the way here in wyoming. So don't take those out there. The state parks will definitely right you. A ticket for that Because it will cut you up and it's a mess now the next one because i know we we going for about forty minutes here but the next one. That's really important. Don't waste resource now. What i mean by that is there are laws in certain states and there is one here in wyoming about once in waste case so just catching a fish not giving a crowd about it. Thrown it up on the bank. Don't do that. there's no reason for it. You know there's you know. I know growing up. That was the big thing to do with carpet. You didn't want the carp around so you cut their throat. Throw them up on the bank. Whatever now i learned my lesson with that one. Because when i was about i don't know twelve years old something like that. I was swimming invoice. Somebody had done that to carp and those of you who know carpet adamy know that they have a big bar on their back. While i happen to step on that thing and it lacerated my foot really badly. It was under the water. I couldn't see it the water. Just come up from the run off. And i had this huge hole in my foot. Don't do that for one safety reason but to it's a resource I know a lot of people hate carp. You know but i will tell you. They're great garden fertilizer. They're great for if you find a farmer who has a bunch of pigs. They will eat them. I mean there's there's ways to deal with them if you do catch him 'cause you're probably not targeting them. I think they're cool because they fight hard. But if you're not targeting them and you wanna get them out of the body water because like ocean lake right next to here. We need to get rid of a bunch of carp at least find a good use farm because they do have some uses. There are some people that actually eat them. If you can find that person hokum up with the big fish because usually there ten twelve pounds but don't just you know. Throw them up on the bank of also seen this with northern pike totally unacceptable to game fish. They taste really good by the way. I don't know why anyone would do that. I've seen it with walleye. Can't figure that one out. It's like the best fish in the world eat. I've seen it with crappy. I've seen it with yellow perch i've seen earlier trout. It makes no sense to me. Why would you catch that fish and just like that is one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a fishery and fisheries. Managers can't figure that out either. It's like why. Why are you doing that to the resource. That's here i mean. It just doesn't make any logical sense so if you're one of those people stop doing that and i don't want this to be like negative podcast but we really do need to bring awareness to this. If you see someone doing it. Tell them to stop and in wyoming it is illegal to be throwing game fish on the bank like it makes no sense whatsoever and they can get a ticket for that and they should you know and you can call your game and fish department because eh kind of behavior gives fishing a really bad name and anywhere that you're out so i mean those are some of the biggest things the other thing too. Just as far as fishing etiquette goes is when you teach kids. Teach them the right way. I see a lot of people teaching kids things that they probably shouldn't be doing case in point. Go back to the things we just talked about. Oh it's just a little bit of trash. It's no big deal or oh well that's just a little fish and we need to get the little fish out of here well if you're not abiding by the regulations not clean up after yourself. You're not setting a good example. It comes back to those regulations. Like i think about that kena river just because they're they want you to fillet the fish and they want that biomass in the river but a few thrown on the bank. You're you're baiting bears. Then yeah and you know the biggest thing is is it needs to be thrown in fast moving water and yet don't just fillet the fish. I mean what we did is we took clean. Nonsense trash bags. Took a knife down the river. Fifteen minutes for the whole group is known fishing. Some big breaks out the knife. We've flaming bags go home. And vacuum seal them and we're good. Yep and the nice thing about the key is often times depending on where you're fishing. They've got table by the side. They're all you can play on and you can just chuck everything else. So i can know the water but now i think that just to kind of get to this and so what we want to accomplish. Those this podcast is really encouraging people to do it. The right way and lead by example now treat people with respect number one to respecting the resource and three respecting others. You know i mean it really comes down to those basic principles. And i think that we're going to be better off as a sports. You know family. You know whether it be hunting or fishing if we do that. Because if you show respect people are gonna show it back if you come in with anger and animosity. It's going to get reciprocated. So just keep those things in mind next time. You're on the water next time. You're out in the in the mountains on the prairie wherever you're at and just take good care of each other. I mean you on an earlier. Podcast talked about taking that same group young men horseback camping and we pull into the horse facilities in their parked right on the bridge way that goes across and i might if you're on a backpack in your afoot widening between two cars and they pulled in there and there was the last parking space at the trail head right you had to park like maybe a quarter mile away. One is just perfect for my subaru. And yes it was a subaru anyways. You know it was. It was a struggle to get my string through there. And i. I was not very happy. So you know you wouldn't go to walmart and park in the handicap spot up front and just running is going to be in real quick right right and it's well at least i wouldn't but there are people out there that for some reason nobody else in the world exists in their more important so and i think you see the unfortunately you see kind of the results of where society is going you know with shopping carts at walmart and you see the same thing at the at the river's edge you know. They're not proactive enough. And they're too lazy to pick up after themselves and it's like well you know. How do we change that. Well starts with us. Starts with a twenty five cent tax on monster energy. Drink and a two dollar tax on marlboro cigarettes and a five dollar tax worm containers. Well hopefully it never comes to that Well i don't if we start doing it now and doing it ourselves and self policing and self patrolling. It never will come to that. Yup but if everybody that buys a worm container goes out and just if it is littered if voice is littered with worm containers up and down yet. It's gonna come to hake. The i mean. We do a roadside cleanup every year. And it's always the same trash. And i i think fast food restaurants and and those energy drink at ear beers should pay a premium tax on cleaning that up so go enjoy the woods. Go have fun. we we didn't want this be negative. Just some a few things to definitely if you're if you're new or go do this a few things if you're going with a mentor. That's doing these things. Find a new mentor. Yep be respectful. Have fun out there. That's why we're out there and let's keep it clean and and be respectful of all of our great resources. I know in wyoming. I want to preserve what we've got because we've got a heck of a deal here so anyway Just wanna talk real quick about our other sponsors because we got we got going and we just kind of blew through there but Pk lures wanna say a big shout out to them Again recently been using the spinach. It quite a bit and feel their other lures if you haven't tried them yet go to peak lure dot com a lot of great options for them in your tackle box while you're picking up those worm container that's right and they're crank baits a friend of mine. He he bought a few of those and has been using them on voice. Trolling around and doing really well. So great options get out there and use them and then you know high mountain seasonings when you finally catch that fish when you finally get that that doctor that fastener that elk They have everything to make it. Just no reason to leave it on the bank. None they'd bring it home. And sprinkles my mountain seasoning. And you'll be just enjoying that. So here's your recipe of the week. This is actually last night. I pan seared some some walleye. What i did was i put some butter in a cast iron skillet to some walleye is just put. Some of the by bass seasoning on it. Pan seared both sides through ramona taco with some coleslaw man. Awesome awesome fish. Tacos you can make fish tacos really easily without stuff. And i mean it is to die for super good so go to high mountain jerky dot com or hi. Mt end jerky dot com. And if you've never gone gone and procured your own fish. There's a huge difference between walking into the grocery store and say oh. I'm going to have to loppy today and going out on the lake. Maybe maybe can con. Somebody like patrick into take you to wall is spot and get just a couple and you come home and make your own fish tacos always do i. I never did you know deep sea tuna stuff but we would go to the doctor and we'd buy a tuna and we'd go home at home kanter own tuna fish and the difference between the store bought canned tuna and home canas. It's it's night and day and tuna steaks elimelech. Those are really good until next time. Check us out on all of our on facebook and instagram. and we'll be back with another show. Here's sam

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #40: Big Changes at RadCast Outdoors and Spring Turkey Hunting Special

RADCast Outdoors

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RADCast Outdoors Episode #40: Big Changes at RadCast Outdoors and Spring Turkey Hunting Special

"Sean rad cast is on putting fishing at everything in between this is red cast outdoor here are david merrill and patrick edwards. Well hello everybody. We're back in the studio for another episode of rad cast outdoors. I'm glad you're back here with us. And i want to let you know real quick that we've got a lots of new great exciting things happening and coming first off we've got high mountain seasoning. Yeah high mountain seasoning says come on board as sponsor of rag cast outdoors. Were very fond of our friends over time out and seasonings. Aren't we you know it's it's on the kitchen counter. it's in the freezer. it's out in by the smoker. It goes on pretty much most the meat products that we consume at our house. And i just have to say this because i know a lot of their staff members and they are just some of the nicest people in the world hansson. Kimberly the owners are amazing people. 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So it's a it's a great time to be be alive and be out there and be working but definitely start pre planning and getting getting ready and talking about pre-planning you know hunter and i have been discussing and it's spring turkey season coming right around the corner spring turkey. It's hard to believe right. What happened february. I even know like it just blew by. And i was thinking about this the other day i was like man. David's turkey hunter. That's coming right up. So when does the season starts. So i mean it varies throughout the west. But it's usually an april may kind of thing as states go into june. Some don't but you know it's usually the springtime you need to check your state regulation to be right on. But yeah we're coming up. And i like to Here in wyoming. We have a little bit early season. And we don't have a lot of turkey's around sundance and up in that corner of the state and you can do pretty well but down here around all riverton. We don't have a ton of terror. They're here but they can be difficult and hundred. I've gone the last two years in a row. We've gone and i. I don't know how it works out but the weekends we've picked to go we get snow and rain and we go up. We're car camping for turkey hunt. He really wants to turkey and really have a cool recipe for turkey. So we'll have to share that it's It's actually quite delicious. And they're fun to hunt or the the biggest thing about turkey for me. When i was a kid watching that on tv especially growing up in the west and here. I'm watching these guys. Get uber excited. About chasing this to auburn. Gobble and i just like just a big dumb chicken manure come on what. What's so exciting. But now that. I've you know had a few seasons of turkey chasing under my belt. There's probably two things i would say about. Turkey's is number one. It's in the spring. Which i'm not chasing elk or deer. Anything else you could go. shed hunting. And i call that participation awards for bad hunters you know. I make a moneymaker though. Oh yeah. I like to make some antler artwork and it's cool. It's great to get out for a weekend lawyer. I'd rather chase a turkey than shed something that moves a little bit. You can't eat antlers. You can eat turkeys. So but the other thing about turkey's now that i've hunted them. It's as close to elk hunting as you'll ever get as i've heard so. Tell me the similarities of how how it's kind of the same deal. I mean calling obviously and getting close so you know elk really have a herd mentality like cattle. You got one heard bowl. He gets his hair and he runs around the hills everywhere right. So and then you'll have a bachelor herd of bowls that are kind of the the the sub adults. You could call still there. Just the younger bulls and they kind of follow that herbal around those cows but the boss dog pushes them around. Pretty good turkeys are kind of the same way. You get a really dominant tom. And he can gathers them heads up and they fight and you know and it depends on the time of year they go from all kind of one huge flock and then the kind of separate into tom's in females especially if their nesting and it just depends on the cycle and we need to get somebody. That's a little more turkey expert at little more. Yeah i think somebody that's got a degree in turkey's but you know kinda depends on the the timeframe in the spring of is a pre breeding post breeding nesting. What what is the the flock dynamics in. Are they coming out a winner or are they focusing on feed. But i like to You know you can really focus on those birds like to to roost in the same tree. Every night elect to go to bed in the same bed of like me. I like my bed. I like my fellow right. They get their favorite branch and then they usually typically will fly down to the same spot in the morning. do a little strutton. And then they'll go off and feed in different directions sometimes feed kinda similar patterns and loops and evening. They come back to the similar spot and fly backup same tree if they're undisturbed so the cool thing with turkey's is kind of elk to if you find him in this meadow or you find him on this ridge betting they like to come back to those places for myriad of reasons waters important for turkeys. But you know what's cool is the similarities between elkin turkey. So you know you're talking about the turkeys feeding and what they do and whatnot. So what are they mainly feed on. I mean what are they eating. I mean i've seen them eat. Grasshoppers like crazy when i was a kid at my church camp. There was always a flock of turkey's that what patrick. Yeah pretty much anything but pretty much anything they can they can get a hold of. They definitely have for sure. And it's going to be your local area as far as you know what what trees. What fruits and vegetables can they get into. But from grasshoppers to seeds to berries the they just i think there are prehistoric leftover dinosaur there grasshopper killers man. I mean they're just like chickens. I mean you watch them. They get out there. Those grasshoppers don't stand a chance it's crazy to watch him feed and you know. I think in an hour or two if all you did was an you had their skills to catch grasshopper you could catch a ziplock bag. Full grasshoppers pretty quick so they're similar to elkin in a lot of aspects of you wanna with any wild game you know and i like to think about fire for fire. You need three things where to exist right. You need fuel oxygen and ignition. Well i like to take that same circle of lifu we call it in the survival world is you need fire to survive while he take that same circle of life the three things you need new apply that to pretty much any species whether it's fish foul beasts whatever they need food water shelter i gotta they gotta have something drink together somewhere to sleep when they gotta have something to eat. If you find two of those three things with any species you can pretty well honed down and figure out and where you wanna do with any kind of thing. Whether it's fishing turkeys elk you really wanna ambusher intercept them. You don't wanna go in their bedroom. Is they're all resting laying down turkeys for example. If they're all roosted in their tree and you go ten feet away there and set up there up there watching you. They know and they're done. They're not gonna tolerate that same thing with elk. They're all bed in. They're all watching around even on open. Ridge you try and stock up there with them. You're going to get spotted way before you get there so you know back to that analogy. You really want to focus in on. Where is the chinks in their arm. Where's the weak point. Where can i intercept and catch them moving fish on their spawning beds moving from feeding back to spawning beds right. A lot of times best fishing is when their migratory moving instead of when they're you know and sure part of that is they're just they're covering more water so you don't have to cover as much water to find the fish like walleye when you're targeting them in the fall you you basically intercept them when they go to their food source of emerald china's or whatever they're chasing and you know you're there at the right time and you intercept them like you said he's oh turkeys are very audible right. They wanna call to each other because a lot of times. I can't see each other. And you'll get when i said. They fly down out of their roots in the morning. They usually like distraught a little bit. They're not just be lining off to go find other turkey's kind of have a morning routine like we do. Then they go out and usually they start feeding and a lot of times that daylight when they first fly down they wanna lock up a little bit spot. The they'll come right to you and if you don't get them right at daylight than the kind of have there. There's a little bit of a lull in the morning where you wait. But then mid morning i i can't get into all the science of it but what my experience is those. Tom's have passed the hands a little bit hands of told him go away. They've had their breakfast now. They're like all right. I'm gonna go in search of a alone lost hand. I'm gonna go look for looking for love right And that's when you can have your decoy out there and you can play on his weakness of he's out already. You know just like fish. They're out looking for food or same thing with full. He's left that group and he's moving to different ridge and now you can just sit quietly. Sometimes if you're in the right place you don't even need a decoy. And you can get him to walk past you. But if you put a decoy out especially turkeys you do a little bit of calling like you're a lost turkey you can get. You can bring birds to you and turkey. Hunting can be you know you can shoot the biggest turkey. It's ever been shot five minutes into your first turkey hunt and you can hunt five years and they could be very frustrating. I like to do a lot of running gunning so out. West here is way different than back east as far as la times. I'm hunting public ground. So food densities a little lower than in places that have food plots or a lot of agriculture. Because we're just not in open stands of timber now. I like to hunt. Same thing with deer and elk same thing with fish. You want to fish the edge. Yup but you know as far as turkey's are concerned intercepting them on. Like i said i like to do a lot of running gunning so i'll call and you can do several different calls you get. What's called a shock gobble response or locate same thing. I do with elk. So as i'm hiking down a ridge and maybe spotted birds at morning. We'll set up for very first thing in the morning. If that doesn't pan out or they come in and you know especially when you got seven eight year old and it doesn't always work. You have to stay still. I've been packing a pop-up blind around with the kid. Just because it's they can move more. They can make a little more noise right but sometimes him and i just sit him in my lap and we just leaned up against a tree and he does pretty good but you know. Sometimes burgess come in the wrong angle or it. Just another hundred bumps or even had coyote come in and bump them before. There's a myriad of things that can happen but after that morning hunt and usually we find a spot in the morning by finding those birds a little bit of pre scouting either sign or just locating some birds that evening. If we're going to a new place right go out right before dark and get an answer. You and kind of look at a little bit of eastbound in google earth and okay. If they're in those trees pick one point on the compass. You've got a twenty five percent chance that they're kinda come land in front of you somewhere right but irregardless after those morning. Hunts that you've strategically focused on a spot to set your decline call. Mid day and even afternoons can be really productive on turkey's but what i liked do is get and do some running and gunning run the ridge and just look for turkeys that are vocally responsive you. Sometimes you'll get ten turkeys and you'll gobble out and call and chuck and they won't make a peep and you can go another quarter mile down that same creek bottom orig- or whatever you're on and you can let out one yelp and you got three gablers goblin at you're running towards you and it can be a little bit of a mad scramble to throw a decoy down. Quick find something that's adequate cover. I you know if you're motionless and you're in good cammo same thing with deer or with al especially as they're coming toward you you stay still you. He's a good chance of them coming really close and when you finally i like to hunt out the same way i like to run down the ridge bugle when i get a sponsor i don't wanna just set up and still hunt all day. I can't stare at the same tree. So you know that's where they can be similar and different and just learning those hitter idiosyncrasies of the species. You're hunting whatever it is but like turkeys. You know they're gonna get down. They need food. They need their water. They're pretty selective about where they roost. So it makes it easier if you go out in the evenings and you can use an alcohol or with your voice just who a lot of times out and again. i don't know why they gobble it at al tooting. I'm not quite sure. I think it's they'll gobbled a car door slamming. Sometimes it's just that. They think they hear that first. Percussion sound though gobbled a gunshot. They think it's another gobble long ways off. I believe you know. I said the the frustrating part is your hunting. An animal has a brain the size of a walnut. And it can be. They can be the dumbest thing you've ever seen or they can be the smartest things and outsmart you and they make an alarm call like an elk. You you've heard people talk about elk bargain and get blown out and you know you can have twenty feeding across the hillside. One cow give that bark sound. They're gone they all lift your head up. They all quickly go okay. We're check the win and they're gone same thing with turkey's they they make putt sound. They'll be purring a little bit. But all of a sudden they put and they've spotted danger and then all the turkeys heads come up and they start putting back and forth and they'll either runoff. Which i think they can run twenty five twenty seven mile. You can't run one down downpatrick. You're not running down a turkey. Go out in your yard and try around a chicken down. Tried it before it doesn't work so it's kind of fun to watch because it doesn't work very well i think they're you know at one point in time The turkey was when we were forming. Our nation was recommended to be the national burden. Stay eagle thing. Ben franklin have that he was a big fan of the turkey. There they really. I mean unlike. I said as a young kid. I watch turkey hunting on. Tv and kind of thumb. My nose up at it and said what are these guys. Think they're doing chasing hill coming. But now that i've done it i it's a lot of fun it can. It gets under your skin or your man. We got to end the using the tactics and the decoys and getting to go through your kit of in this state you can use a crossbow. A rifle a shotgun a regular bo is you could use an adult wanted to. What's your preferred method. I liked to bow. When i've got the kid. We take the take shotgun sense trying to get it pulled back. We've a couple of times taken both and taking the blind. So and when i was younger with no kids and i just take the bow even got one without a blind and the way i did it is it was actually a fall turkey on my tree. Tristan was set in the same standard timber. They were roosting in all week and the deer. Hunting got slow so the next morning. I said after four or five days of dealing with these turkeys interrupting my evening deer hunt every night which is still cool to watch him. Come in feed about three hundred yards away fly up in their roost trees and they were flying within twenty thirty forty yards of me even tried to shoot one out of a tree one day for line of sight. Same elevation as me and bounced an arrow off. Them couldn't quite straight power. So that next morning i in the dark went and sat and they were hitting the same sixty yards circle every morning landing and then working their way up the hill. There's a little bit of an opening in this timber patch and then maybe two hundred yards up. The hill is a big field so land in that opening. Gather up mill. Around for minute. And i watch that every morning so was like all right. I'm gonna go sit right there. In the dark walked my headlight. When i heard wings flapping mayor era was already knocked. I just had my tree my back against a tree and when i heard wings flapping drew my bow and all sudden. There's six turkeys landed in front of me. I had to hold it for a little bit. But yeah they're they were fifteen twenty yards so it's kind of cool to hear you talk about because when i was young growing up like i said my experience with them was church camp. I mean i never hunted turkeys in my life. And we'd walk out the door in the morning and there'd be eighteen twenty of them right outside the cabins because of course there's kids and feeding the exactly and so we had this one. That was always up on the up on the steps there. I'd walk out the door. And as a tommy he just stand there and look at me like hey you're gonna feed me or what. I'd always have to kind of kick him off the off the steps to get out of the cabin door and they they were just kind of like pets. You know walking around the walking around the place and during the day. Like i said you'd see. I mean there were lots of grasshoppers because this was like august tons of grasshoppers bouncing around. And you'd watch him. There's this little pond and they would walk around the pond and they would hurt them. You know kinda heard the grasshoppers and work together and they'd just pick them off one by one kind of like my chicken stew out in the pasture but it's just really fun to watch him. They're definitely i mean like i said on some hand just a dumb turkey. It's got a brain. This is what walnut and it will outsmart you it will invade you so one thing i find interesting is i've couple of the turkey leases but some private property next public way back in oregon that i used to have access to found it. Funny when you're trying to find a place to turkey hunt can be can be difficult. And there's this progression of landowners and their relationship with turkeys and it's quite funny at first. They wanna see turkey so they put usually. It's they've got some birds out or something a turkey finds it and then they start getting habituated to. Hey here's some easy cheap food with no predators around because usually houses have dogs in. The coyotes aren't as prolific. And so they're like well you'll knock on the door and we like to see the turkey so we don't allow turkey and they feed him a little bit sudden those two or three turkeys that they like to see that stroll through once every other day. Turn into twenty or thirty turkeys and instead of destroying through once every two or three days there every day and night and day and night because they've figured out a food source and figured out a way to get away from predators. a eventually. what what'll happen is they'll start getting on your car up on the roof of your house so start crapping on your porch. Had the homeowner will go. We gotta get these turkeys outta here. This is a problem and then they invite every turkey hunter in the world. They're down at the bar at the grocery store. Oh you hunt turkeys. Come on out to my place. And i'm like i knocked on your door three years ago and said hey you have like ten turkey's out there. I just wanna shoot one and there'll be nine more left and next year i'll come back and we'll shoot one or maybe two if we got a kid and then we'll we'll come back and every year and then you're turkeys will get conditioned that. Hey it's not always safe here. We need to be a little bit and it will disperse birds a little better but anyways you do you do get that where they go from a few birds a hand feed. They love their birds. They get thirty birds than they let every turkey hundred the woods there and then you try and go back there. And they're like yeah. You can turkeys but when you have fifteen guys hunting turkeys and on a property for two three weeks straight and their habituated to see n. people to save on that property. It's it's very interesting. It's reminiscent of our yellowstone elk. The hooked up migrate out of the park. When they're in the park that same bowl that will stand there while five cars. Pull up and let you take pictures of him and dang near let you pet him. I don't know how they know where this imaginary line is. Crossed his line. They're like a completely different animal. They're they're shy. Cagey avoiding human. The there's some really big bowls that are down on that national refuge that come out of yellowstone the don't ever get harvested and they know what they're doing well. Have you ever noticed that the day the season starts like the night before. You're you can see animals everywhere. And you've known this as one hundred and same thing with me i'll go out and you see all these animals very next morning soon as the season starts. There's there's something going on because these animals nell and they're like okay. Got to totally change behavior. We're going to totally change our patterns. Not all of them. But i'm just being facetious but we always had to joke growing up that the game fish the night before the season starts sends out unnoticed messages. The bull elk and say hey guess what season starts tomorrow. You better run. Well we kind of do it ourselves and had the and you've noticed it here on your property. But i had access to a pretty good chunk of property here in wyoming and i usually would get a few dough tags if you antelope dough tags if you do your tags and i was always trying to instill am. But sometimes i'd take my re curve down and try and harvest that dough and notice that you know because i've been going down pretty routinely in the evenings for half hour. Forty five minute hunted. It's five minutes from my house and just you know. Mostly just get down house but a little little bit hunting and a half my re curving. There's a chance that i might harvest something on my walker set but the deer you know had a pretty good pattern and this is usually the archery seasons predate the rifle seasons right but the day or so before rifle season know. I've been down there for two weeks. Hunt and trap and fish and whatever and kind of live and with those deer and all the sudden. They've had their the same summer routine. They've watched the same guy driving around here gaetan. They'll they'll sit there. And that that irradiation pickup drives by. And they don't care they don't care but now season starts and there's sixty pickups driving down the road we kind of hunters do it ourselves as. Hey look there's all this traffic. It's time to go hide. Yeah this last year opening day of prague more antelope. I went out and the day before two days before they were all. I had to do antelope tagging. They're all these antelope on this place. And so i was gonna go shoot one of course the day of the season. Starting what do. I see one buck antelope in about three hundred meal there. No no dough pronghorns ornella but mike. Yeah that's about par for the course for opening day. You know it's just a joke. I mean i've killed things on opening day too but we always used to joke about that. You know they always know then. I feel the same way. I mean and and it's it seems like murphy's law whatever tag you have in your pocket that's not the animal you'll see opposite through that tag over there and pinedale and we went over every week in a season and she finally shot a moose and it was. It was a great hunt but we had big box. We had big bulls in places that if us l. cutting has like and this was a week or so before they oaks. He's you know deck saturday if that outcome mountain stand right there at two hundred yards. Again in the middle is meadow. You better be shooting him. Forget the moussa is kind of funny all that works. But i'm excited for you to go turkey hunting and i'm sure hunter will really enjoy that and you get to hang out with his dad. The best part about turkey hunting. Besides the fact that it's it's akin to l. cutting their very vocal. They're very responsive is typically there. It's a it's a non high pressured hunt right if we don't get a turkey not the end of the world if we get one. It's going to be awesome. it's great it's fun super easy to pack and in a while you're out scout and you can find where they're scratching and what they're feeding on you can find turkey tracks you can typically at least drive around close to town look in a couple of fields and show a kid turkeys right unlike deer and elk where it can be hard sometimes just to see him and especially you got a kid. That's a little more car bound. You know we're not. I still put him on some half mile three quarter mile hikes. And it's just him. I've got the blind and the gun in the seat and the decoy and my backpack and he's usually got him but that's still can be if you're walking down a little bit of a muddy side road or field ed or something. That's that's that can be tracked for short legs so absolutely you know we definitely have been cognizant of we. We've been doing the car camp things we go up tonight before we have a campfire and we but their mattresses out sleep in the back of the car and get up super early and head out to the blind and we just last couple of times we've had snow and wind and rain but it's a hunt that you can literally go for two days. You take some hot dogs and asleep bag and yet you know yes. We could get a hotel yes. We could take a big fancy tent. But i think part of the just sleeping in the back of the car with dad is a you know just getting to go cook marshmallows and hot dogs with dad. He's i think that's his favorite part. That's why back we haven't got a turkey yet. Xiaojie around in the rain and snow. But i sit in my lap and you know we get to watch the sun. Come up and go look for turkeys and show him turkey tracks and so it's a it's a very low key hunt that's like i said we're not having hiked twelve miles and we're not under the pressure of. Hey we need to be successful in this big bull elk and when you finally have that elk there you have to capitalize on that opportunity with turkey's you know if you blow up a stock on turkey's forty-five minutes or an hour either. Some other turkeys are gonna come back through that same spot. Or they're going to circle back around or you can move five hundred yards and set the decoy up somewhere and changer. Just the pitch of your call and you can sometimes trick that same bird not always i mean. They get wise quick especially their public land hard hunted. But it's not about. I'm not trying to give you guys tips on how to be successful turkey hunting. I'm telling you that it's a great hunt for a new kid. A new hunter on because they can make noise with the call. Win the turkeys coming in the last little bit. Yeah they need to be a little still in quiet but the rest of the time. You can be talking. You can be telling jokes you can be hiking around and obviously the more stealthy are the quieter you slipping out of places less. You disturbed those birds but if the goal is to go have a fun weekend with buddies you can do that very successfully turkeys and i bet you guys are gonna have a good time or we're this'll be third third year so i think we will. We're to put an extra day into. It will go like up on a thursday and do a friday saturday and come home sunday. But you know. And he's he's getting older now so he can tolerate a two nighter with dad and he he wants to go because i've made it fun. Sometimes we'll go back and we'll let him pick his knacks out so we've load the car up with snacks and we take the gold pan so we'll stop and do a little gold pan in and it's more of an adventure with that for the weekend. I liked on the last episode. We have the kids on last time and listening hundred talk about one of his favorite. Things have gone. Hunting was snacks. Like i i can. I can identify with what he's talking about. I like snacks to well. When we go turkey camping he gets to come with me on the grocery shopping necks. We've got to have turkey snags right. You've got to have snacks. Especially if you're gonna take a for three or four hours in the morning with no games and that's that's kinda my rule. Is you know. Yeah he's got stuff for car travelling. I let him have the the games in the car. It makes for a much more peaceful peaceful ride but when we're out turkey hunting. I don't want his face shoved in a screen. Now you know. I think they get enough of that in in our society. So dad's a little bit of a stickler that no you can. But i give him my binoculars i give him the turkey call. I let him help. Pack my shotgun around right and so now. He feels that he's doing important things most the time. He's marginally helpful. Well you know. I was listening to a news. Report the other day about kids who are addicted to screens and i was talking about how. It's just this huge huge problem. They were talking about kids on college campuses especially that. They're so addicted to their phone that they're checking it like habitually every few seconds every few minutes. Whatever thinking about that and it was like man. When i was a kid. You know we didn't have that obviously and so you know how are things different and it. It got me to thinking if we take our kids now and instead of kind of getting them into this routine of checking screens all the time you know putting them on youtube or putting them on games are putting them on this putting them on that. Put him on something. That's like hunting or fishing or later. Outdoor related have them work on a project. Maybe building something or you know like you. And i like tying flies. Maybe building like my friend. Seth building a re curve bell. Just doing something where it's real easy. Crawdads traps product shops. Yeah everybody has a body of water with crawdads. I mean they're almost everywhere. Sure you are being like just even carving a piece of wood but just get get kids more involved in doing stuff with their hands. So they're not programming themselves to be You know they were talking about these kids being addicted to screens in the kind of psychological damage. It's causing them because they're just so tied to it and they feel like they can't live without it and i'd much rather have my kid being addicted to and fishing or hunting. You know that'd be so much better. It's it definitely is inexpensive expensive addiction. Sure but you know it's rewarding off and it's not gonna make you depressed and that's that's a nice thing about it. I mean you know you're gonna take him turkey hunting and he's going to remember those memories for the rest of his life and he's gonna talk about the time that he cooked hotdogs over a fire and marshmallows over fire but both times that we we've gone the one time we slept in the car and woke up the snow the second time we took a it was supposed to be nice weather. We took a big on our big summer family camp tent three season tent. We've got like four inches of wet heavy sideways snow. It blew the at two o'clock in the morning. I got him up water covered in the tent. And i woke him up through the front seat of the car and we finished sleeping in the car. But are some of the best memories remember. Daddy remember that time. We went turkey hunting and got snowed out. And it'll sounds like my four-pack trip when he's in high school you know. We ended up getting two inches of water in the bottom of the tent. So guess slept in the car and it was just fine. We we had a blast. You have to adapt and overcome in business. The schooling in in construction of projects. Resiliency is key. And you're not gonna learn that by instant gratification. From google giving you the answer any time you want right. Put pouring a little bit of work having a little bit of pride and energy. And he's i'm kinda let him dictate. The turkey hunts and you can see it in his eyes that i'm done for a little bit. Let's go do something else. And we've been taking his bow and the target and so we'll go back to camp have a nice launch fling scenarios. I mean that as a kid for me that was the best thing was put a bow in my hand. And i'll go outside and fling arrows for our straight. Yeah growing up. We used to shoot the re curbs. Just instinctive shooting you know just having a good time you get a little foam target out. There was some of the most fun. I mean acade- that for hours until my fingers felt like their fall off. You know it's just a blast and there's a. There's a documentary on. Netflix called social dilemma. And if you haven't seen or heard about it. I would highly recommend sitting down watching it and analyzing what they're saying. But some of the ceos and people that helped bring to fruition the twitter's in the facebooks and the instagram's the g mail whatever it is there's they've said you know they're they've tapped into basic core human psychology and the reward synapse in your brain and and in they're programmed these apps in these features in these platforms. That we use to give you that same endorphin high and reward that you get from the the we've been programmed to have and i'm not saying that you know facebook's bad or instagram bad or twitter's bad that's not i don't care if you use it or not but after watching and seeing and reading that that screen time in kids is is damaging period. We gotta be careful with that. Getting our kids in the outdoors and looking at a campfire instead of a screen is a lot better. There is something very hypnotic about. I love the campfire. I mean it's relaxing day. You've you've had a hard day you've got your ten set set setup dinner setup bed setup and there's there's no rush to to sit here and enjoy some light and some warmth and usually telling a few stories and cooking marshmallow between the campfire and the stars. You can't go wrong. It's on the best parts of camping. I like getting up right before the sun. Yep it's beautiful to watch the transition it you and that's the cool thing with turkey hunting or even elk. Hunting is in you know. We're we're moving before the critters move. And then you set and you get to be peaceful and quiet and you get to be not so much a participant participant but more of a witness of the woods just coming alive you know i. It will be no birds or squirrels chirping nothing and then a few and then all of a sudden there's the forest is alive. There's noise moving. So it's just the winds you know with the sun coming up start switching. It's if if you haven't had chance to just go sit in the turkey woods for morning. Just take a decoy in a call. You don't have to take a gun. Just go sit up. If you live here locally one of the things. I did as a kid. I really enjoyed his get up really early. Go to bass lake which is just a few miles from everton. They have yellow headed blackbirds that nest in the reeds around the lake. And you get there right before the sun comes up like you're talking about so you still got some of the stars and you watch as the light changes and the birds start to chirp and start to talk to each other and before you know it. It's just this really just firing symphony. It's just beautiful and placid water. You know bass hitting a top water. It's just it's pretty special. So i agree. You know getting kids out to do those way. Better all even just getting yourself out. It doesn't have to be turkey's it doesn't have to be walleye. It doesn't have to be perfect. It doesn't have to be elk. Just getting out and i really enjoy doing that. Trapping that's You know whether it's crawdads or or gold or anything in between it's the same thing get out there. Go go get to see where that species is interacting with the lan. Track them down. Look for sign. Look for evidence and test a theory of. hey are they in this spot Can i intercept them here. And you know what you if you do that enough times. Even even blind squirrel finds a corner eventually. Hopefully this year. We'll be be the year that we get the the little guy on his a turkey. Oh i hope you guys get one and hopefully you won't get that typical spring storm man. I it's it's i. Patrick honestly would rather go out. Elk hunting at about ten degrees and bone-dry. Oh yeah then go turkey. Hunting at forty one and snowing. Spring is just too wet for me. I'm not a big fan of spring like a lot of people. Like i like the flowers and the pretty stuff that comes with but i hate the wet and the soggy nece comes within the muddiness. Do but i prefer fall just because like you said it tends to be dry. I love fall just because it's elk hunting time but again turkey. Hunting can can extend your season and can get you out in the woods and you don't have to have a lot of equipment gear invested. I mean you can go and blue jeans right camels nice and you don't have to have the pop up line. You can sit against the tree and you don't have to have anti chairs. I've gone and just sat hundred tree. So yeah it doesn't have to be this thing where you go spend a bunch of money like it's it's pretty pretty easy thing to get into. I will say that As you start hunting more and more pressured turkeys the ads in of in the waterfowl world especially but it transitions a turkey world. They you stuff decoys so use. An actual live feathered glass. I'd decoy and some of these newer decoys all give a shoutout to Dave smith decoys. They they make a hand painted decoy. That is very good but the the walmart twelve dollar blow up turkey decoy. It's gotta sheen in the shape and it'll trick a unpressured bird but you get a pressure bird. And he'll look at that and shut up and go the other way so he'll be like something isn't right here but yeah turkey. Hunting can be. I mean it's get out. Go take a kid. And you don't have to invest all that money in gear you can just go at. It would be like fishing and you can go expensive. It's not that hard and it's rewarding to really and so finally my. I picked up this recipe from scott haagen easter in Oregon outdoor magazine. And it's honey orange turkey jerky and it's orange juice. Sugar marinate some salt. I mean they have recipe online. And we'll have to go dig it up but it's just like you would make deer jerky or elk. Turkey dislikes the breast real thin. You meriden marinated in orange juice and honey and sugar you brian at twenty four hours and you smoke it and you want you. Don't wanna do a bitter would for the smoke. You don't wanna use like an older you want something sweeter like an apple just because it's You know if if you used a mosquito or an alder for smoking at honey orange turkey jerky i don't think it would you. You're gonna be mixing flavors. You definitely want a sweet lighter. Would maybe i would go with. A fruit trees would be my pick. But we'll poultry is just so good with apple. I mean apple is get on just about anything. But i mean it's my go-to what i'm gonna smoke. Something i love apple would add. So we've what the goal would be is get beaten jerky on the turkey turkey. That sounds like a plan. Although now that we're talking about turkey's all i can think about is smoked turkey and my mouth watering. So you know there's that too. Well that concludes. This episode of rag cast outdoors. We're really glad that you guys came along again. We've got a lot of great things going on. please go out there. Check out our sponsors. Help them out. definitely support them as much as you can so again if you like this Episode you like our show. Please go to rag cast outdoors dot com definitely fling comment on the show. You can find us on spotify. Stitcher apple pie cast amazon music. All kinds of different places. Pretty much anywhere that you get. Podcasts the definitely you know. Check us out sheriff's with your friends indefinitely review. I can't overstate how important it is to Review the show to give it a rating We would love that five star rating if he can do that and again. We'll catch you next time for more rapid cast outdoors all right. It is time for the high mountain recipe of the week brought to you. Proudly by high mountain seasonings of riverton wyoming company mountain seasonings has been around for thirty years and is doing a great job of making sure that all the hunters and people who are processing their own meat have everything they need to do. The job right. High mountain seasonings offers a lot of different options for you. They offer fish. Brines jerky kits sausage making kits and much much more. You can find all of their great products at high mountain jerky dot com or h. I. m. mt n. jerky dot com again each. I n t n jerky dot com. So now here's our recipe of the week. Alright guys so for the jerky recipe for the turkey. You're gonna wanna get your turkey breast about three pounds. Approximately you want one cup of soy sauce. You want a cup of worchester sauce a half a cup of brown sugar two tablespoons of honey some garlic a clover to chopped finely and some ginger two tablespoons and then i like to add two tablespoons of red pepper flakes to give it some spice. But you can leave those off. You're going to combine all that in a bowl. Mix it up. Put the thinly sliced about a quarter of an inch turkey breast in with that for twelve to twenty four hours in the fridge. Erna pull it out put it in the smoker. I like to run my smoker about one hundred eighty degrees for a couple hours and just keep testing it. You don't wanna for me personally. I don't like to dry it all the way out whereas really hard i like to leave it a little moist and eat it right away. There's not a lot of preservatives in this recipe. Not a lot of salt and stuff. So you're gonna wanna consume it relatively quick but smoke it in your smoker or you can even put in the oven. I like to run it in the smoker and like i said a sweeter smoke would like apple and just serve and enjoy. It's its best warm right off the smoker

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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #65: Wyoming Golden Trout and Grayling Fishing Tips and Tricks with Patrick Edwards

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RadCast Outdoors Podcast Episode #65: Wyoming Golden Trout and Grayling Fishing Tips and Tricks with Patrick Edwards

"This episode of rag cast outdoors is brought to you by. Pk lures both spider and high mountain. Seasonings sean rad. Cast is on putting fishing and everything in between this red cast outdoor here david merrill and patrick edwards. Hey everybody it's fall and you're listening to red cast outdoors You know hopefully you've got some fish got some hunting if not. i mean. We're trying to inspire you to do that. Take a kid. Take someone with you and we're going to ask patrick a little bit today about his epic adventures this summer and fall. I was gonna say if you haven't been out what's come on. I mean really. What are you waiting for winners to be iconic. But yeah i mean it's it's time to go throw on your hoodie and go get something done. I mean come on man. The weather is beautiful right now. I i don't like those hundred ten degrees. I it's not. It's not fun to me. And i don't like minus ten days either so now. I like starting it in somewhere in the thirties. The forties and getting up to the seventies and then back again. that's great. Gimme gimme my hoodie. Let's go in wyoming. You have to take advantage of the weather because it can turn to winner in a heartbeat. I think it's going to happen this week happen. I see the blown. I think it's coming. So yes i did go on a trip. This year backpacking trip. I will tell you guys. I was very fat and out of shape going into this trip. I was telling everybody. I had lots of table muscle because i had spent a lot of time at table and not much time. You know. exercising a big part of that as some of you know. I dislocated my shoulder this summer and didn't have the ability to move my arm for. He was kind of like a beat doggy of around for a little while little bit pathetic actually having a sling sex just saying not getting to go fishing. Yeah and having a farm and trying to do all the chores one-handed that's really fun. But we'll round as a shape patrick. So you were in shape. Just the wrong shape. I was quite shapely. So how was the trip. It was good. It was painful just because The arm was not one hundred percent and it was. It was interesting. I got sick on the trip. Which did not help But i will tell you that. This year was a huge upgrade. So thanks to you to both spider and cafaro I took in cafaro. Forty four mag backpack. Branding pack initiated. It on this trip. And i'll tell you what man that was a game changer is. We went fishing last summer. And unfortunately we didn't get it done this year. I was gone all summer. Fighters fault will blame. Both spider dangles guys But but you cover rocket up. What are we went on. This is about three and a half four mile hike to A lake that show renamed unnamed. It's a lake. It's water so if you wanna know where it is open a map of wyoming and start looking for bodies water and you can start hike into those. You'll find it eventually. Sorry guys maybe. But patrick pulls out this nineteen eighty two. Aluminum frame could be nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy eight old. It's old it's it's is it orange. It's like a reddish orange ancient. And i kind of looked at him and i think i was rockin the q. U. backpack that day and i kind of looked at here attack got carbon fiber and and you know some suspension and in something other than a straight backboard might contour to it and i'm looking at his pack like what's he doing rocking that thing worked for me and i said here. Why don't you try it on and you went. Wow that's that's pretty nice. I'll tell you. I've been the cafaro though is a step up even from that i it was. It was awesome going in having lumbar support from my twice. Broken back And you know the bad shoulder keeping the pressure off. I mean it was. It was so nice and in the cool thing was. You know my buddy john and i. We went in the day after the other guys so we were kind of a day behind. Because i had just been in nebraska during my day job doing all that got home literally grabbed my stuff jumped in the car and went and We get to the trail head and one of the nice things about this. Pack is has Lift straps in different areas on the pack. That makes it easier. If you have a buddy with you they can help load up and get get in your pack will i. Only i couldn't reach my left arm back. Hardly at all and so john was able to help me get my pack on. Get everything going. And it kept the kept the weight off my arm to the point that i could actually do this because i was kind of doubting like even do this right now just because it didn't have the strength did now the flexibility. And i'll i'll tell you right now. It was it was nice to be able to actually do it and go on this trip. Because i look forward to. It's a yearly trip. You know it's an annual tradition guys yearly fishing. I don't want to miss that. Well you know sitting around the campfire and this year. We had some music. I'll talk about that. We one of the guys cellphone again. Roy does it work. Yeah so one of the guys packed in guitar so we had some music even so it was great but we started off at the trail. Head and We went in. And i was noticing how out of shape i was of course and so it was like okay. Even the best backpack in the world is gonna accommodate for that. It was a little rough. I mean it was a couple thousand feet elevations gain but we made it out. There got into camp got set up and the guys had told us they said. Hey we found this little lake and it's pretty much every cast. You're catching a brook trout. And it's a lot of fun so you should do that. Well got into campus is pretty well bush. Now's tired and i was like well. You know what the heck will will go down there and it was only twenty thirty minute hike so it too far and we still had daylight so grab my stuff and went and caught thirty forty burke's and i mean they weren't anything big they were. You know your average up there six to ten inches but it was fun and you could see him coming from a long way away. I mean you make cast you could see exactly where either your panther martin or flyer. Whatever your throne is and then boom here comes a fish and they grab it. That's the best part of those high clear lakes. Is you're watching irretrievable. Yeah so we. We did that in good time. We we got a lot of fish and went back to camp and went to bed that night and i started to feel rough and i. I don't know what it was. But i felt awful Got up the next morning and we were planning to go for goldens in grilling there was no way. I was gonna stay in bed. That was just not not an option. I didn't have much time as it was. I was like. I don't care how i feel. We're going and so jimmy and mike. There's actually videos of these trips out there. If you go to jimmy in the wild outdoors and you look at his youtube channel. You can see some of the fishing. We're not can tell you wear. It was exactly but it was in wyoming and anyway we got up early. Got all of our stuff had some breakfast And what did breakfast consists of Well for me. It wasn't much. I just had some oatmeal. Because i wasn't feeling too well but some of the other guys. They had some mountain mountain house breakfast stuff. You know like the aids. And i am not a fan of oatmeal. I mean i had way too many camping trips with my dad. And he always made it like runny. Like snot warm runny. Some good now. I just like when it says a couple of water. I swore he added to. And when i make those little instant packets i put a quarter cup of water. When it says it cup rate. I want it barely moist enough to swallow but i will say And we talked about this on my sheep films. Why asked him but Mountain house has a breakfast skillet. Had that one. I was throwing jerky in that and let the jerky kenner reconstitute. It was if you imagined it was kind of like bacon but that with a little salt and pepper was I i can do that one. yeah i had. I had my oatmeal had a little bit of coffee. You got some water. Migration onboard men. Then we hit the trail and it was three well to i. Guess two two and a half miles to where we wanted to start and so there's another pretty good elevation gain. We went up in there. And we're looking for golden's first so you guys are actually a little higher on some of these lakes where i'm chasing pretty high like timberline down to start and then working our way down and so we went up pretty high and Anyway these these golden trout. I'll tell you if you've never fished for goldens. They're a different breed. I mean they are not your rookie. They're not your greyling. They're a lot more wary than most. And i mean we. We spent some time one trying to find him and to you had to stock in kind of like you would for spook some of the brookies or something else on the shoreline out spook the golden golden. They're like yeah no exactly so the very first one that we caught and it was the one that i actually caught and it was about thirteen. Fourteen inch golden and we could see it in a pool and there was a spot where you can kind of. See me on the video. I sneak down god down. Super-low made a low caste. You know up up into this pool. And i was just throwing a little. Prince nymph fly and the first time. The first gassed he. He kind of charged. That didn't grab it. Which is typical for goldens. They loved to tease you. They'll come up and they'll charge right up nose up to it and just stare at just hit the brakes on your like seriously and sometimes you'll set the hook because you think that they've touched it. So that was the first reaction. Well the cool thing about goldens is if you can get two or three of them in a spot. That will actually compete. Grab it and so. I saw a couple of others. Cast it over to kind of in between those two and that bear on charged up and grabbed it and so i was able to land the first golden of the trip which was pretty cool Just a man if you've never seen a golden trout. So how big does the golden trout need to be to be entered into the they need to be. I think it's sixteen inches. Which i didn't i didn't get I didn't get a master angler. But i got some decent ones and i mean the the color on these things. I mean the real bright red the beautiful gold you know some of them had the darker colored. They have those beautiful spots. I mean they definitely are fish. You know. I think of beautiful marked fish. As far as north america they are up there. They're up there with the dolly varden. They're up there with the arctic. Char mean they're they're definitely and their unique right like now. You have your char species. You got your brook trout. You're you know. Even the hybrids are really cool. Like tiger trout lake and whatnot but Arctic charges fabulous when they're going into the spawn goldens. They're beautiful fish. I mean they and but they're in a different way like the gold on. These things was just so bright and so beautiful again. I'll i'll pull some pictures in the show notes. But i mean they were absolutely gorgeous fish and so i started off the party. Got the first fish and then jimmy. We went down one pool. I think it was maybe fifteen twenty feet from there there. Was this little tight pool where you kind of had a little waterfall into and it wasn't very big. It was probably only three or four feet wide and maybe a foot and a half deep but there is a decent one in there. I think it was eleven twelve inches young. Jimmy got it on like the third or fourth attempt and then we just kept working our way down this drainage and there was one pool in particular. That was just incredible. I mean it had probably twenty twenty five goldens in it and there were a few of the bigger ones. I don't think we caught any of the bigger ones we. We did catch quite a few out of that hole but we educated them so they quit. They quit after a little while. They got wise to our to our scheme. So i'm correct in saying golden. Trout are not native to the state. Correct correct yeah. These are california goldens stock them a number of different ways back in the old days you know they had people that would actually pack them in horseback guide to the bunch of horseback yup and nowadays. You know they'll do it through plane and helicopter different aerial ways. 'cause i mean you lose a lot less fish that way So the game and fish department does stocking programs and you can go on their website and you can see exactly where they're stocking them. I mean it's not a secret it's better chance to catch a golden hair than there is in california probably I know they have them in a number of mountain west states. I mean you can catch them in wyoming idaho california lots of different places but there high elevation fish. They are and you know you're going to have to put in some effort to get to them. And and that's part of the appeal is that it's not just something you walk down to your urban fisher elk hunting. You know when we talk about dough antelope hunting or or doughy tail hunting especially on these alfalfa fields on your back creek. Yeah it's okay. It's meat in the freezer right but the appeal is going and chasing the big bull. Elkin the timber. The peel is gone and hiking. And i mean these vistas. I've i've been up there a little bit. You know on that side of the hill and some of those sceneries. I went up there looking for elk but we walked past some of those lakes as we were elk hunting and everywhere. You turn another epic photo spot. Oh it's absolutely gorgeous up there and we we actually hit it just right because everybody knows it was a bad fire season again and so i was worried we were gonna get up there and it was just gonna be smokey nasty and there was a fire blanchard or not time. Yup and it wasn't bad like you know the wind like i came kind of every direction but the the smoke wasn't bad and so it was nice to be up there and not be inhaling all this smokeless bad down here when you left it. Was you know at my house here at our podcast video. We've got a really beautiful view of the wind river right but there. I don't know fifty miles away as yeah. I haven't seen them all summer. Patrick it's nice to see him again. Isn't it but yeah i mean. The views were great again. I felt like garbage like just dragging myself long. The only thing that kept me going was the fact that you're catching fish. Because i mean we caught fish the hallway up there like the drainage that we were on his full of greyling and brookies all the way up to the spot and then you can kind of fish goldens and grilling and brookies on the way back down so we worked through. We hit that one really epic pool and we just got tons of fish out of there will. There are few others down. That drain is just. You know another couple hundred yards so we worked our way down and there was this one in particular is smaller lake and it wasn't super deep but again you could see the fish and so your site fishing these things and and work in it and i saw a nicer golden he One of our one of my buddies. Mike he was fishing and i saw him kind of dark out and look at meixler. And then kinda come back under my feet under the rock where i was standing and so i just drop drop my fly right there you know into the water just on the other side of that rock and he just charge out smack that crap out of it and so that was pretty cool. We got that one on film as well but catching that fish and and being able to look in it was kind of a more unique one because they had a lot more. Read it so. It was just gorgeous. Gorgeous fish pulled it out admired a little bit. Got some pictures and put them back. But i mean we were catching fish after fish and It was one of those things where you know you talk about goldens and you hear about the mystique of goldens and to have a day where we just got really got into them and had a lot of fun it was. It was a real special day but it didn't end there by golden. Were a part of the day but we have some epic decent sized grilling fishing. Which i'll talk about here in a second but we need to talk about a couple of our sponsors. So i'm assuming on this trip. Did you eat any of these fish. It was on one hundred percent catch and release. I could or opportunity for a little high mountain seasoning and a pan over the fire with the way i was feeling i would not have wanted to eat. 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Then i'm sure it was a we're going after goldens this this whole everybody's everybody's bucket list was gold now now. Everybody kind of got the check. Hey got my golden. Yeah you didn't get your sixteen but you gotta thirteen which is a great fish. It was and you know it was like okay. Let's let's move over let's go do some grilling because we knew that there was some nicer trailing in this body of water so that means packing your camp up bill no day hiking day hike in is actually. The spot is only a couple of hundred yards away. I mean it's not far from where we were catching the golden's heil of asian Body of water. Not very big. So we get up there and i had a fly still on for fish in the golden's well throw it out there and wasn't long before i had about fourteen inch greyling and was a nice big male huge dorsal all that beautiful green and blue. I've tried several times to take a picture of those fish and the camera. They come out gray they they do for the most part like if you can. So what i did is i kind of held them up into the sunlight and got an angle on them. And if you do that you can get some of that blue and green glistening out of there. It's still doesn't do the justice when you hold one of those fish it's it's a rainbow. It's so pretty. Yeah i mean it's an iridescent. Just really pretty greenish blue. And i mean if you've ever elected peacock's feathers it's that kind of color but on the dorsal of you know like you said more of a gray looking fish. But they even have some little splotches on their body and dorsal like a sailfish razi huge and they fight really well because that anybody that's ever caught pan fish crappy or blue gill or something like that. You know how they turn their body and they just really kind of get used distance. It's the same kind of thing with these railing. I mean weren't huge. But they fought really well on light lined because they're turn their bodies and they're doing everything they can and i mean they are vigorous fish. I mean they really get after it. So i called the first one and and then This guy mike that was with us. He put on a clinic. He had a number six gold panther martin on and what he was doing to us casting analysis deep pool. I mean really deep. And so he casts. Let's it hit the water in the countdown and he could feel the fish hidden it as it would fall. And so i mean they were hyper aggressive. And so i mean he caught. I think he got sixteen or seventeen. Something like that out of that pool and anyway he's just whacking them with that and so had caught a few on the fly and i was like Thing i must switch over at a number six gold panther martin in my bag as well so i grabbed. That checked it out there. I cast man just whacked. One in jimmy he was whacking them to and we just had a ball. I mean they. The fish were on the bite. I mean at almost every cast you were getting hit or you were hooking up and so. I forgot about the fact that i felt garbage. I mean it was great just because the fight was there which is something. I love seth you know. He was on here while back. He'll tell you i. I don't mind catching little fish for a while. But i want to catch bigger fish. I did just get. I get bored after a little bit but these ones actually fought well so it was a lot more fun for me to tie into something that was actually going to give me a tug and there's about the whole atmosphere right. You're you're in the mountains in cleaner you're hanging out with guys and having you know having last around the campfire you haven't even got to. Somebody brought a tara right. Yup yeah so. I mean the atmosphere is incredible where we are catching those grilling all you can do. I mean imagine this it's beautiful blue bluebird day. I mean the sky is just gorgeous blue. Smoke isn't there. You're up next to these huge. Massive glacial cut rock vertical almost vertical. You've got glaciers that are hidden into you. Know the shadow of the rocks. You've got this beautiful beautiful water and here just catching fish after fish and they fight and how many other people you see you know it was crazy. We actually saw more people. And i think this is covered related. But we saw more people up there than we've ever seen There were a couple of people camped on the lake. That weren't too happy that we were there which was kind of funny 'cause we're fishing along and we didn't believe in notice that there were other people around i mean it's a few acres the body of watery efficient and next thing you know you hear these f. bombs coming out of the trees like crossed the way like quite a ways away probably three or four hundred yards and we kind of figured out that these guys were yelling at us for be- for fishing which i don't really understand since it's all public land but it doesn't really matter but they quieted down and moved on along their way after a little while but it was kind of an odd deal. We've talked about this before you know. I got permitted. Take those young men and camping with stock. And i'm permitted and we have to be so far from the water and this and that were permitted to be in this campsite and i mean we rolled in and it was a jerk move. I mean we definitely. We set up fifty yards from them. Maybe forty yards. if i'd been backpacking. Yeah would hike to the next lake or around the other side lakes or what it permit you had. I had to be right there. I find. I mean they were very unhappy with us and finally explained situation here. We got fourteen young men. We got six horses. And we're at the max capacity with how many people can be in here. We're permitted to be here the next two nights. This is where we are this. Were to be your three people if you don't like it by well here's my thing. I have a theory. I think they'd been fishing and hadn't been doing well. And then they were watching us catch fish after fish. I don't think too happy about it. Should have done what they should just walked up and said. Hey what do you use in house. You know how he would have been happy to share and shoot. We the skittered over even. But i don't wanna see delk in my spot right evade i wanna be the one the tarvisio spot. But that's why bow hunt is because if you're over the ridge from me five hundred yards and you shoot one. I never know. Sure as a rifle hunter. You're like panda wish. It would hike the other trailed center this today and we did do that to a group of people and if you're listening to the podcast i'm sorry we we. We pulled up behind him but twenty seconds behind him. We're following them up to the trail head and the dark and i gave them the option. I said hey you wanna take. There's two trails in here. There's and we're talking. It's five miles deep and five miles wide so it's plenty of room for two groups of people but they ended up choosing a and we will be and we went and got to elk and i know they heard us harvest those elkin you know. But that's that's like you. And i i'll cabinet pick the less i lake and pick the right side of lake and you get the bigger fish. I mean it's a coin toss. It's no big deal and you know we just kept. Our spirits was like whatever you know and you have to do that at times but i mean i know. I think you have to do that in life in general patrick. Because there's always gonna be. I mean coming from both spider realm. There's always gonna be somebody saying well that doesn't work or that's why are you doing that or you know there's always gonna be that negative voice coming from somewhere about something and if you pay attention to it you're never going to succeed you're never you. You're always second guess yourself but if you just keep the spirits high keep the morale high. And that's that's why. I try and go hunting with the people that i go hunting. His is keeping morale high. Especially when you're trying to accomplish these you know almost more than humid feats of or herculean efforts in the hike into your lake is not. We're not talking a five minute. Walk from the car now. It's a long walk and you know we just stay positive and we just kept going but you know we we call thirty three fish out of that pool and we had a great time and an all thirty three of those fisher back in that pool. Exactly they're all still there so you can still go catch if figure in their mouth. Yeah but we had a great time and you know it was just a really great to see like mike catching all those fish. I know he was having a blast. And you know for me just to get that a little bit. And i think i caught nine something like that but just to catch those fish. It was so much fun and then was like okay. It's time to start heading back. And so that's you know. I kinda hit the was really feeling rough and just food did not sound appealing. We we go back to camp about an hour hour and a half hike and it just. I felt really rough and so i actually just went to my tent and just crashed. I mean just Didn't want to do anything. Didn't wanna eat anything. Just got some water on board just went and lay down the guys. They were like man. Is he going to be all right. I'm like yeah. I'll be fine. You know and anyway a couple of hours. After that. I got up certa fill better and i was actually able to eat. One of those peak feels for dinner which was good. Because i need to get something in me. I just didn't have much onboard. But like i said one of the guys had packed in a guitar and i don't know what it is about just being up in the woods being around campfires good right. That's that's a great thing. But i'll tell you what having somebody with guitar and singing songs and they can actually sing. It was incredible. We'll patrick i have very limited musical talent to play guitar so i i. I completely understand where you're at. Is that you set the muni atmosphere fire. Everybody's caught their fish for the day. You've got some food you now. So you're you're feeling a little better and it was really cool because half of the group. Well actually. the majority of the group had summited this really high peak in the area and they got some great pictures. I mean it was just gorgeous up there and then the three of us had gone into slade. Fish i mean we got over one hundred fish. Each lots of burke's. I didn't even talk about but anyway so having that music in having people who could sing ambien around that campfire having the milky way galaxy and all it's glory just eliminated up above. It was one of the coolest experiences i've ever had in the back country. I mean we. We had a good time. we joked around we. We sang some songs. Some sort of thing. So i wasn't very good But listening to other people who can actually seeing the element sleeping on the ground at a ted in in grizz country. Not country drinker drinkers country and tatum brave. And all this stuff and all this work and you know you didn't even touch on you've got to supply all your own water to cook food. You had to carry all that food in there these. There's all these things that go into that moment of you just hanging around the campfire. Imagine everybody sitting on the ground or sitting on logs and just yep maybe it was just go and just enjoying the moment of. It's nice to just be. I didn't have anywhere i had to be. I didn't have anybody calling me saying. Hey you gotta get this done. Got to get that done. It was just be under the stars and good friends. Listen to some music. Tell jokes has gone somebody. For their poor thinking there was plenty of jokes And a lot of good times. I mean we had a great time and that ni