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Can't wait to listen to this. Super excited. Those five guys all on a Zoom together, just cracking jokes. I'm ready. So there you go. On this podcast, it's the second annual My Guy Fantasy Draft. Craig Horlbeck, Danny Kelly, Danny Heifetz from The Ringer Fantasy Show. We're going to come on, and we're going to talk about all of our guys that we like, dislike, that we're afraid of in the fantasy football season, and then went to Cleveland to find Garrett Bush, who is kind of a big guy there. I got to say, he's kind of a guy. He's going to tell us what to expect from the Browns, who are the most confusing 2023 team. A lot of that has to do with Deshaun Watson, which Deshaun Watson, are we going to get? How do we feel about Deshaun Watson in 2023, just in general? And where is Cleveland Sports going? What's happened to them this century? All the good, all the bad. And he's going to lay all of it out for us. So this is a really good podcast. Can't wait. First, our friends from Pro Chip. All right, it's the second annual My Guy Fantasy Draft. Our Ringer Fantasy Show guys are here. Danny Kelly, Danny Heifetz, Craig Horlbeck, my rewatchables producer, always nice when he pops on the BS. So we did this last year. We didn't win any awards, but sometimes you don't need to win awards. Sometimes when something's great, when it works, you just kind of know it, and we're going to run it back. Heifetz, you want to explain what this gimmick is? Yeah, it's you text us a bunch of ridiculous categories and then we kind of build an entire show, right? No, it's fun, though. It's just like it's a draft, but it's not a draft. And then it's it's vibes. It's a vibes episode. Yeah, we can agree on this. The concept is like you go into a fantasy draft. We all have the same kind of guides, same kind of rankings, but it doesn't capture the love. It doesn't capture the irrational. I just believe in this guy. It doesn't capture Craig thinking that that Pickens is going to end up being Justin Jefferson this year. There's just some things he already is or fear PTSD from bad draft picks from the past. I actually listened to a lot of the pod we did last year, and it was pretty funny hearing some of the guys we were like completely enamored by that ended up being bust. And then there were some other ones that I was surprised by the accuracy of it. Danny Kelly, can you ever be right in a fantasy draft? Can you ever go perfect? One in a million. It's like picking stocks, you know, if you get one good one, then you're set. Last year, mine was Romandre. I listened to our show last year, too. Feel like I nailed that one. Didn't get some other ones right. So that's, you know, we don't have to re litigate those. But Romandre, I'm calling that one. The take I was proudest of last year was fearing Cooper Cup after the year that he had just not liking the scent of something. This is veteran experience. I've been doing fantasy, I think since like 1989, 1990, something like that. All right. So I'm going to rip through the categories here. And then we're going to go at them one at a time. This is not, it's a draft, but it's not a draft because if we all have the same guy for a category of two of us have it, it's fine. We're okay. Um, the categories are my one true love, the guy that we just liked the most, my crazy pills guy. Do you want to explain the crazy pills thing, Craig? Uh, I think it could go either way, right? It's either you feel like you're taking crazy pills because nobody else likes the guy you like, or it's the other way around where you feel like you're taking crazy pills because everybody likes this guy and you don't understand it at all. So there's a little variance on that one. You can go either way. There's the my I absolutely hate myself for doing this guy, which seems to happen over and over again in fantasy where you go in there, drive like, well, I'm not going to end up with Russell Wilson. Uh, that was the example I used last year. It could be the example you use again this year. I'm not even gonna spend a dollar for Russell Wilson. Then it gets to the 17th round. If you're in a booger eater draft or, you know, you have $5 left for five guys and it's like, ah, Russell Wilson, Sean Payton, and all of a sudden you have Russell Wilson and you have no idea how he ended up on your team. So that is the, my absolutely hate myself for doing this guy. Uh, there's the, I'm going to add this category. It's a little sub category. The I'm staying away from that whole team team. There's teams where you're just like, I'm out, I'm just blind out. I don't want one person from that team. I'll see, we'll see if we agree on that team. Then we have the, my shameless Homer pick guy. That's going to be really, I mean, Craig, you don't even have to go. Uh, although there could be their tickets like plus 500, but I think we know pick is going to be there. There's the, my, I wouldn't take him even if he was free guy. So you're putting them on your D and D do not draft list. I had McCaffrey as my guy for this last year, which looked brilliant for about six weeks. Then he got traded a machine of an offense. We have the, my, that 2022 booty call isn't happening again guy, which is a new category for this year. This is the, you stumbled into somebody in the free agent auction, maybe in November, you wrote them for a couple of weeks, some fond memories, but you know, as a one night stand or, you know, as a three week stand and you're not going back, then we have the, this is a classic one. The somebody's got to get points on that team guy. We just look at all the teams and like, well, I don't know. Everybody scores 300 someone's catching passes on that team. Someone's rushing for 970 yards. There is the, my sorry, I'm sorry. That's too rich for my blood guy where you look at the draft guide and you see some of the salaries next to the guys. Then you go wait at $47. So Najee Harris was my guy for this last year. And I was proud of that one. There's the, my $1 QB guy. You're not, he's not going to make it break a draft, but you're also kind of secretly stashing away in your head. And we all have our $1 QB. There is the, my I'd be afraid to look on Tuesday and see the red flag guy, which I've added this year. I didn't even tell you about this category. You take the guy and it's going great. Eloy Jimenez is the ultimate baseball example of this. It's going great. You're feeling awesome. And then you go on there on a Tuesday and there's the red flag with the yellow box that there's news. And you're just like, Oh no. Oh God, what happened? And there's certain guys who just, it happens every year. A cousin of that, the, my, I know there's a 99 % chance he's getting hurt again, but God damn, I can't resist this guy guy. Then we have the, my Cooper cup. It's a year after the year guy. So I named this category after Cooper cup. So who is it this year? They had their year last year. Don't do it again. Don't get sucked in five more. The my, I just want everyone on that offense. I don't care guy. The my it's a year too early, but fuck it guy. The my missionary position. We've all had him guy. The my, I fell for the preseason hype guy. And then finally the, my I'd never root for an injury, but he is one injury away. That guy. All right. So we're going to start with my one true love. We're going to go and we're going to go on one, two, three, four on the zoom. And then for the second round, then the second guy will go, Danny Kelly, you're up. All right. My one true love. Who is it? I got to go with Tony Pollard for the Cowboys. I'm irrationally in love with this guy. I've been saying it. I think there's nothing you can say. It convinced me that he's not the best player in the NFL. Like, like just pound for pound, the best player in the NFL. Um, you know, last year he finished as the RV seven this year. He's going to be playing, I think more snaps, getting way more opportunities. If he can get up to like the same level of opportunities as Ekeler and CMC, you know, cause he's in that style of runner. I think this guy could finish as a top three running back in the NFL. And so I am, I'm just like full as a gentleman said, full bloom in love with Tony Pollard. I just can't, I can't help it. So in the ringer fantasy guide, he's 13th right now and he's gone for $42 in auction. So you think that's low? Yeah, I would, I would, I actually had Pollard too. Wow. We all have Pollard. Wait, did you too, Krik? I'm scared now. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's, well, that's, that's, this is a sign that, yeah, this is a terrible sign, but I just, I mean, just to pile on to DK stats here, Zeke had 12 touchdowns last year and Nick and Tony Pollard was a top 10 running back. Like what else do you need to hear? Like every time Tony Pollard was on the field, he was the best running back in the league. And now Zeke's gone. Like I rest my case. This is the pregame show where they all pick the same team to win a football and then that team loses. So you should probably stay away from Tony Pollard. Wait. So all three of you had Tony Pollard for this? Yeah, I can give you some. We did not discuss this before coming on. I didn't expect that. Oh, my God. Talk about groups and Jesus. You know, it's, you know, what sucks about this is that means when I have my big auction draft in a week and all my friends are going to be listening to this. And when Tony Pollard comes up, I'm not going to get them because they're all going to bid them up for $57 if I want to get them. Well, Bill's like, oh my God. Well, here's the argument. Rich Rebar, who works for Warren Sharpe, he's at Sharpe Football Analysis and he is a really good comp, which is basically Melvin Gordon was playing ahead of Austin Eckler for years. And everyone's begging for Austin Eckler to get the job. And then Austin Eckler finally got the job and the charges got rid of Melvin Gordon. And then Austin Eckler still wasn't really a first round pick. And we talked ourselves out of it. We hemmed it on. This is Tony Pollard again. It's like Zeke is finally after five years out of Dallas. And we're like, yeah, any point you get Tony Pollard, that's actually crazy. Like, honestly, you could get him for forty five bucks. Austin Eckler is going to go for 60. Tony Pollard would probably just be better than Austin Eckler this year. I kind of genuinely mean this. Tony Pollard should maybe be the first pick in fantasy football. Right? You can convince me. Kind of genuinely. Well, he does have a great offensive line. There are going to be a couple of games against bad teams where he, you know, you have him on Thanksgiving or something and he puts up the four touchdown hundred and eighty yard game. I can see it. So I guess I'm up then because you guys all agreed. You can have anybody you want. My one true love this year, Jalen Hurts of the Philadelphia Eagles, who I also like for MVP. So. Last year, he missed two games and they also blew out what what was a D .K. like seven, eight team, seven, eight games where they just like in the fourth quarter, they didn't even really have to play offense. They're just kind of running out of the string. Yeah, I don't think their defense is going to be as good this year. Sheila Kapadia on the on the NFL show has been talking about this. I think it's to be better than he thinks, but it won't be as good on it. And their schedule is tougher. But, you know, is it possible that he's like a four thousand one thousand guy with some sort of combination of 40 to D like everyone agrees they have the best offensive line in the league. Everyone agrees the one to A .J. Brown, Devonta Smith punch is way up there. And I'm saying like Schrager on TV this week was saying Devonta Smith, this is the year he jumps up to the chase class. So we have that with Dallas Goddard, who everybody thinks is the best all around tight end in the league, the guy who actually blocks and plays three downs, running backs, whatever. Put anyone behind there and they'll gain 80 yards. And then he's going to get a lot of the goal line carries. I think he's my top QB this year. I think I would take him before everybody else. So I don't even think it's that controversial. What do you think of that one? He is, I think you're right. I think the key point you have there is that he barely played in the fourth quarter last year. That's the key thing. He was already in a per game basis. He was the best quarterback in fantasy last year and he barely played the fourth quarter. Yeah. So you could argue he hasn't even reached the ceiling yet. He's our number one guy on the guide right now, I believe. Shameless plug for fantasyfootball .300 .com. He's our 21st player. We have like all our rankings there. And yeah, he has the highest floor and the highest ceiling. My favorite stat about Jalen Hurts, other than 18 rushing touchdowns in 18 games last year, Jalen Hurts had more games over 30 points than under 20. That's everything you want in a quarterback. Well, so he's number one in our guide, but I still feel like in a draft, Mahomes is going over him because of the Mahomes. It's just the most fun to have Mahomes. The R. And I actually think that's a little nuts this year. DK, Hurts is I think either 12 to 1 or 11 to 1 on FanDuel for MVP. And I think those odds are the most out of whack of all the MVP odds, because that's, if you're going to say the MVP is going to come from an awesome team, they're probably one of the five teams that has a chance to go 13 and 4, 14 and 3, something like that. He, they have the most talent on offense, I think, of any team that's going to be in the MVP conversation and we've seen him get better every year. So why is he 11 to 1, 12 to 1? Shouldn't he be like 6 to 1, 7 to 1? Shouldn't it be where Josh Allen is? I don't, is it just because of the previous like impressions that he was a, what was he a third round pick or second round pick and maybe hold on to that for too long? Or maybe it's just because he's surrounded by such a good team. I don't know. But yeah, like you said, he's improved pretty much every season he's been playing, even going back to college. You know, from everything that we've heard, he is maniacal about like working and leadership and just all the things, all the intangibles. And then, of course, you know, if he takes a jump as a passer this year, you know, that's going to be huge for him because he's already like one of the best running quarterbacks. He's double digit rushing touchdowns in the last two years. You know, everything about him screams just, you know, like the face of the franchise season. He's everything they want. And so I could see it like from a narrative point of view, for sure. It reminds me of what you used to have with Russell Wilson when he was alive.
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"Cold and flu season at your local Safeway. They have everything you need for any coffin flu needs this season. Get cold and flu relief from products like vicks NyQuil or dayquil. Tylenol cold and flu, alka seltzer, mucinex, and Bigelow ts. When you're feeling under the weather, Safeway has everything you need to get feeling better fast. Find everything you need at your local Safeway and feel better fast. Before we go here, we have minor quarterback news on two fronts here. First is with Aaron Rodgers and a report that the packers are basically telling them it's time to move on and normally I'd say a guy like Aaron Rodgers gets to dictate when he leaves. He gets the respect for what he accomplished with the organization and for the organization to say when he gets to leave. But after the last couple of years, I think the packers have the right to just kind of be like, yeah, I think we're just gonna trade you. Yeah, it's like, hey, we're good. We're all set. And. I think this is interesting on a lot of levels, right? I mean, yes, there's the dynamic of would it go with Nathaniel Hackett, the jets, the jets would do this move in a heartbeat. Like the jets would plow over the facility and build them a new one. If he wanted to. If he asked him for it, I think they'd be through the moon about this. And so there are places that want him, and I think there are places where he'd be good. I don't know, I don't know if he's going to want to. And I think that's what's going to be the thing to watch, right? He has, he has things set up so well in Green Bay. You know, everything almost a little bit like Russ did in Seattle, where, you know, he is the man, right? He is, he's the guy. He's the legend. And you know, you do risk a lot of emotional equity and capital and leaving that behind. And I don't know. Do you go to, do you go to the Raiders? Is that the offense you want to play in? I don't know if I necessarily love that. Do you follow Hackett, but then you got to play in New York and, you know, does it, players, people make a big deal out of the New York media, and when there's like the big, bad New York media. And I never understood that because I was a member of that and I didn't feel ever big and bad, you know? How is that going to play in a town where, you know, you're on pat McAfee once a week talking about 1984 and how Pfizer's out to get you. And it's perfectly free and fine opinion to have as a human being. But, you know, I don't know how that plays in the world's biggest media market where you're presence. I mean, my God, I remember the carpet that they rolled out for Tebow. And that thing was just unfathomable in size and scope. Are you ready for that? Where, you know, it's not gonna be like Green Bay where you have your little inside jokes with the 9 guys that covered the team and you've been together for years and they know how you operate and you know how they operate. This is a whole different animal. And I don't know if you want that to end your career that way. That's kind of, you know, it's tough, you know? It's that. And obviously, you know, you mentioned Las Vegas and we'll get to why the Raiders are maybe having to come up with some new ideas. I love how I'm teasing the fact that Tom Brady retires if nobody noticed that in the past two days here, obviously reunite with Devante Adams there, just to be there was no Aaron Rodgers devonta Adams riff. We left Green Bay. Those two seem to get along just swimmingly. The other problem with hanging in the AFC is you are in a much better conference. Like if you, if you are going to prioritize, I want one more Super Bowl run, you want to say in the NFC, although then the question becomes do the packers want to trade you somewhere good in the NFC and they have to deal with that. Obviously, San Francisco is the most obvious one. But yeah, I don't know if the backups are cool with that. Right, the packers definitely don't want you to play for the forty-niners. And if you're Rogers, I guess you have some way to complicate that, but yeah. No, you make a good point. I mean, oh, he'll complicate it. God, remember when this was gonna be like a serene process that he, you know, and everyone was promising that and now no, this is gonna be, gosh, this is gonna be awful. I don't ever root for big things to happen when I'm on vacation. But I am planning a vacation right now, and I'm just like, please lord. Let me be so far up a mountain with zero cell phone service. When Aaron Rodgers decides or doesn't decide or whatever happens, this is one of these stories that's already so exhausting. And listen, we haven't even gotten, we haven't even made it to the Justin Fields thing yet. And there are so many layers of off season stupidity that we have to get to. But this is the big, this is the big nougat center of it, you know? Yeah? Man, it's gonna be another long Aaron Rodgers off season. When it just felt, yeah, it just felt like it was done. Last summer, and everyone was happy. And we were and it's not just, it's not just Aaron Rodgers. It's not just Tom Brady, right? It's all of us. Like, in some degree shape or form, we all just like mythologize ourselves. And like, you know, the whole thing last year about the last dance and Phil Jackson. And listen, I love Aaron Rodgers. I think he's a great player. I get a kick out of him as a personality for the most part, as long as he's not saying anything completely destructive. But you guys weren't the 97 bulls. Like this wasn't the last dance. Like these ideas that we have of like, oh, I need to play in my retirement this way and that way and we just no one cares. And this is my job to care and I don't care. Like, let's just, let's just get there. Without all the bells in the whistles, we're all, you know, we're all just humans looking for someone to walk us home. I forget who said that. But it's true. It's like, why do we have to complicate this with layers of just ego and style and like, oh yeah, I'm gonna do this and look like that and just give it up. If you want to go to the jets, go to the jets. If you don't, then don't and retire. And, you know, and we'll still say nice things about you. I promise. Yeah. Now you gotta put something off on Instagram. Don't. I think like the last, I mean, this isn't totally true, but like, I mean, you know, maybe I posted about the births of my kids and been like, hey, we got more people living in our House. Yeah. Just in case anyone needs to know. Or like, wow, like the ducks in my backyard did something funny today, but like, I don't know. If I left Sports Illustrated, what am I going to hang a notepad over a power line and take a picture of it? Like, no. I'm going to go start working at the next place. God willing. Would hire me, you know? Oh, man. Well, let's get into the guy who is retiring here. Tom Brady, walking away. It seems like for good this time. I don't think we're going to be fooled again on this one. I guess the most interesting development here, besides the fact that I anticipated he was going to play in 2023. And I think you did too, not to put words in your mouth, but it was down to the bucks or nothing. And that's just kind of surprising because he didn't really want to play for the bucks last year. So it seemed like nothing was kind of kind of the only choice at that point. Yeah, I would assume that most people had him dialed in. And who knows? I don't know, right? I think this is one of those situations where.
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"Has to work. It does. I think it will. The dolphins were third last year in blitz rate. At 33.3%, which is interesting because a couple of years ago, 33.3 was middle of the road. Yeah, the ravens were close to 50%. And round river verit told me a couple of years ago that that's the goal. You want to finish with 33.3 because what am I missing, right? You want to play man? You want to use your man packages a third of the time. You want to use your zone packages a third of the time and you want to use your pressure packages, which are a combination of those two things. A third of the time. And that was always his goal to finish at 33.3. But now Ron Rivera is in the low 20s. The jets, I think, were the low at 14.9. I want to say the Bengals the year that they made it to the Super Bowl were around 13%, which is crazy low. They rushed the quarterback a little bit more on this one, but pretty much it's like Boyer, it's Vance Joseph, but it's Wink Martindale at this point that are the only guys that are really rushing the quarterback anymore. Yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a much different dolphins defense. And again, look, they had their moments last year, but overall, I think they were probably a relative disappointment, especially the offense, obviously took a step forward under Mike mcdaniel. The other thing about a Fangio defense is he had really, really rangy linebackers in coverage. When he was in Chicago, he didn't quite have that in Denver, but he had really, really rangy safeties, two really good safeties to work with there. But, you know, it's sort of one of the Staples is sort of making those look so blurry and cloudy for the opposing quarterback at the intermediate level. Javon Holland is really good, very versatile. I don't know. They're linebackers are more kind of patriot style linebackers where sort of big thumping guy type of thing. I don't know if you'd call any of those guys. Coverage specialist. Sorry to Andrew van ginkel. I know it's going to say well that's what you're saying about the dolphins linebackers. Apologies. But that's another spot where. Before they put the money into the edge rushers, they invested in the cornerbacks, which that's a blitz heavy defense. If you want to invest that kind of money in quarterbacks, you can do that. Does even Howard is still really good. He was banged up last year. I don't know if he quite is going to be the guy he used to be and who knows what you get from Byron Jones at this point. I mean, the guys who are playing across from the avian Howard are really third and fourth caliber cornerbacks and that's part of the reason didn't work last year, but it's just it's a shift in resources somewhat subtle shift, but it's still, I mean gosh, you really got to pay for that stuff up front. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, he's been versatile. He's featured different roles everywhere he's went. But again, did he get the most out of chub and von Miller in Denver and are you now going to get the most out of chub and Jalen Phillips in Miami? I don't know. But it's certainly an improvement there. They paid through the nose to get them. I'm pretty sure he's going to be the highest paid defensive coordinator in the NFL. And boy, that guy has some options. This off season. So, you know, good for him. We'll see what happens. This February Xfinity flex is unlocking premium entertainment for you to try every single week, no strings attached. 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I mean, what he did schematically in San Francisco and yes, it helps have Nick Bosa, but they were still really good when Nick Bosa missed time. Or was maybe neutralized in some games. And obviously he just is a guy who commanded a ton of respect in the locker room. It all adds up to a guy who should work out here for a Houston team that has a chance to really turn the corner. This off season. Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, boy, that again, you want to be weary of saying that there's a slam dunk higher in any cycle, but man, I mean, I think what a victory for the Texans that they were able to lock this in. Because and probably if you're D'amico, right? You're probably thinking like, I'm not too worried about caserio at this point 'cause, you know, I think at this point, I'm like, he's way more important to the franchise than caserio. He's a franchise legend. He's got the respect of everybody there. Everybody knows him. All that kind of stuff. And so I'm probably not worried about getting run over by the GM at this point. You know, there's less of there's less of a threat on that front and you get to come in and you get to be the culture creator day one, you get potentially the first pick at quarterback. You're going to have guys that want to come down there and be on that staff. I mean, the last few years, those players just weren't coached well. I mean, you know, you can't draw top assistant coaching talent. Pet Hamilton's good. You know, some of these guys are good, but is he going to be in your first 6 or 7 choices for OC? Probably not. Like, you know, let's just be honest. You know, he did a good job with what he had, but I think that D'amico is going to have the choices. He's going to have the options. He's going to have the draft capital. He's finally going to have the free agency stuff. This is where it starts to turn around. I mean, the Texans, at least from my understanding, we're telling candidates that we're interviewing last year in the year before that this was a three year deal. This is going to be a three year journey in the wilderness. So D'amico's first year is kind of the year that you're coming out of the Woods, you know, if you win four or 5 games, that's great. And then I think you're probably ready to take that next step in just an awful division where you're going to get Jeff Saturday twice a year, baby. So, you know, possible. We'll
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"Coming in there, but if Russell Wilson plays like he did a year ago, Sean Payton, I assume, has the right has the respect in that building to be like, okay, we're not playing them anymore. That was a luxury that Nathaniel Hackett didn't really have. Not to mention they didn't really rip in his number three quarterback in this league. But if this goes down like it went down last year, they're just not gonna play Russell Wilson because it was absurd last season. When you think about Payne's offenses, they're so good, this is where it gets really tricky. They're so good at, you know, the saints office is so good at creating mismatches in the middle of the field and like what's the one thing, even in this prime that Russell Wilson was a very good at. It was finding those throws in the middle of the field. So it's not a great match. And I mean, Sean Payton has to be aware of that. And he will do something different. It's not like he has like, that's like his one like 2013 saints playbook. He's gonna show up with it and be like, wow, here it is, guys. This is all I know. But it's going to be interesting what happens on the field. And even more interesting what happens if the on field product looks like it did in 2022. I, boy, I hate putting this on one person. I mean, I don't know what I want if I'm Russell Wilson, right? I finally got my way out of Seattle. I guess if you were Russell Wilson, right? And you could go in a time machine. Would you want to go back all the way to the moment you started forcing your way out of Seattle and then think, boy, I gotta actually pretty good here. And everybody just thinks I'm sort of this misused talent and I will go down with the Super Bowl. I can keep chipping away at a Hall of Fame career. Through my longevity and I can go out as a God of Seattle and nobody's ever going to believe the Seahawks when they say that I wasn't running the offense. It's just going to be let Russ cook for the rest of my life. Or, you know, credit to him for initiating that separation process, but you have a chance to be wholly exposed this year. Like, Hackett was a convenient scapegoat, even though I think probably the reason you kick a 64 year old field go in the openers because he's not running the place that you're asking him to run. And so, you know, but anyway, and there's a lot of open receivers. I mean, man, you and I went back and watched some of those games. The guys that are just waving their hands in the air, jumping up and down, being like, please throw me the ball and he's not doing it. And if you do that with a Sean Payton offense, I'll tell you what, Hackett took the criticism for all of that. He took it. Because that's what he thought was best, I think, for that locker room. And that's what he did in Green Bay. A lot of the times. But holy smokes. You think Sean Payton's gonna sit there at the podium and be like, yeah, it's all on me. This is why this thing isn't working. The guy's got a Super Bowl ring and is one of the most revered offensive coaches in the NFL. You think he's gonna sit there and let his legacy be tarnished? No way. No chance. Like this thing, this thing is gonna get exposed. In our heart. Yeah. There might be a solution. And again, I don't necessarily blame Russell Wilson for wanting to change his style of play at this point in his career and be the BD pocket operating distributor that he never was in Seattle, but we're seeing why he wasn't that in Seattle. And I will, I will not take full credit for predicting that he would be the fourth best quarterback in that division because at some point last summer you also asked me if you were the eagles, would you trade all your draft capital Russell Wilson and get the certainty of Russell Wilson and said Jalen hurts? And I said, yes, I would. Which obviously, I mean, what a, what a nightmare scenario, alternate universe for the eagles to be in right now. That couldn't have been more wrong. So he's just he's a guy who it was his out of structure playmaking, which was just spectacular during his prime. And it was also his exceptional efficiency on downfield throws. He was the equivalent of whatever. He was Steph Curry of the other. I mean, these low percentage moon ball throws that were completed again and again and again. That was him in Seattle. And those are very much linked to physical traits and the physical traits are starting to diminish, and I just don't know if there's a solution. Maybe Sean Payton has something up his sleeve or maybe this is Sean Payton was the Broncos third choice and the Broncos were like Sean Payton's like 12th choice. Yeah, I don't know. And you know what? Let's throw down, let's throw down the voice of reason right now. And let's not finish this on a taking note, right? Because I feel like everything in the NFL has always been since the beginning of time, right? There is the complete, there's the, oh my God, he's gonna fix Russell Wilson take. And then there's the, this is gonna be a disaster take and it always ends up in the middle. It's like, yeah, they're ten and 7 and Russell Wilson threw 22 touchdowns and 12 interceptions and he's kind of like Daniel Jones now. And so, you know, and I think that, you know, that's probably what's gonna end up happening, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sean Payton had or somebody through the media had said Sean Payton was assembling his all star team of freelance coaches here to come with him wherever he might land. One of those names that were thrown out was a big Fangio, but Vic Fangio will not be returning to Denver as a defense coordinator. He does end up taking the job in Miami, kind of a weird flirtation type thing with what went on there. This is also a really interesting fit because Chris Greer has. Kind of pivoted to what they want to do defensively by bringing in Bradley Chubb. And I think there's some debate to be had about how good Jalen Phillips and Bradley Chubb can be as a sort of bookend pass rush tandem. I think Jalen Phillips is good. And I think Bradley Chubb is pretty good. I don't know if they become better than that. But the dolphins obviously were so blitz heavy and I mean, the zero blitz stuff they were doing under Josh Boyer over this past season and then obviously Boyer was there under Brian Flores. It's going to be a different look. And Vic Fangio, I think is not quite as blitz averse as his reputation. I think the Broncos were kind of middle of the pack and blitz rate, but the kinds of blitzes he's going to throw. You're not going to see a lot of your blitz stuff out of this dolphin defense. It's going to rely more on those two edge rushers getting to the quarterback and it's the first round pick. It's the guy you traded the first round pick for and gave the monster contract. That's where they are putting their resources right now and it kind of
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"Been just an absurdly run operation there for a franchise that is one of the blue Bloods in the NFL, but Sean Payton's a really good head coach. Yes. Be clear on this. This is not something for, I don't know, someone's, I don't want to bust on some coach. You're not plucking someone out of the sun belt to come coach your team. Some belt has fine coaches as well. That's right. But I think it's pretty logical. You have very little draft capital. You had to give up another huge challenge. I mean, I know there's a lot of folks out there being like, well, you know, they were going to sign Bradley Chubb anyway, so it's almost like they're not giving up a first round. It's like, yeah, they are giving up our show. They could have spent that first round pick. And they're getting up a 2024 second rounder here. So yeah, they gave up a lot to get Sean Payton. There were some conflicting insider reports. I think while we can't 100% confirm one or the other, I think based on the timing and also the. Recent track record of the person who was trying to shoot down, these reports, I think it's quite clear that yes, the Broncos were interested in Jim Harbaugh. We're interested in tomiko Ryan's who they would have gotten without having to give up drive compensation. And also what Sean Payton said at the press conference did, you know, it sounded like the way he phrased it was that the Broncos had done a really nice job of letting him know where he stood throughout the process. Which to me very much matches up with, hey, we don't want to trade draft picks for you. We like you as a coach. So we're going to try and hire one of these other guys. And we don't get them. We'll circle back because you're also a very good coach and we like you. Et cetera. But that's where we land. No Jim Harbaugh, no D'amico Ryan's in Denver instead. It is Sean Payton, who again is a very good football coach. He is a good football coach. I wonder if this is what he wanted. Out of all this, right? Because if you go back, he hits his free agent tour, whatever it is. And lords over the entire process and expects everybody to basically show up at his doorstep, like you're a well wisher at The Godfather's daughter's funeral, right? And oh no, God, The Godfather's daughter's wedding. Yes. She didn't die, Gary. She got married. She did. Man. Yep. A little bit of a macabre star here to the MMP podcast. I don't know if The Godfather grants favors if his daughter died too. I hope not. I hope he's just being there for his family. Yeah. Anyway, I think he expected that treatment. I think he got himself to that moment. And then, you know, so I had been writing all along. I did not think he was going to get a job. And the reason that I wrote that is because I talked to a ton of people in the coaching industry and the overwhelming idea that I got back from all of these guys was, boy, that's a lot to give up for a head coach, right? 'cause it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 to 20 million. You have to pay him commensurate with the best head coaches in the NFL. You've got to give him Belichick money. You got to give him Belichick power. So you got to tell your GM, he's about to get steamrolled and you're paying for the GM salary. And then you got to give up draft capital. Now, I'm seeing a lot of people make excuses for the saints. For not getting the Jon Gruden return, which was two first two seconds and 8 million. Sean Payton's a better coach than Jon Gruden. And you should have been able to get something closer to that. Now, I've heard people defending the saints say, well, they were going to lose them anyway. So this is something other than nothing. I don't know. I'm kind of wishy washy on that 'cause you had him under contract for a couple more years, but whatever. You need the draft capital now. I get it. And so you're going to get what you get for it. But all along the belief was like, God, that's a lot to give up for a head coach. And so I don't know where that started to turn because I think Sean, I think. This is what I think. I'm not saying that he thinks this, but I think what he wanted was sort of the ready made retirement job, right? Where you walk in and the quarterbacks already set up, you know, Justin Herbert, maybe. Just name in a guy at the top of my head. And the offense, there's skill position talent there. There's a good team that you can kind of just as underperforming. You can flip them and make the playoffs. But that didn't happen. Dallas is sticking by Mike McCarthy, Brandon staley played himself into another year with the Chargers and changed offensive coordinators in the process. And so what you were left with was basically a decision by Payton, right? Do I want to go back in the booth? Do I want to risk being forgotten about? Do I want to take two years off? And so ultimately, you jump at an opportunity that I feel is pretty damn close to the saints to begin with, right? I don't know. I mean, you don't have a long-term solution at quarterback. You have issues with draft capital. You have and maybe your draft capital issues are the equivalent of the saints cap issues, right? Where it's going to complicate things in the near term. And if you get a if you're paying and you got assurances that you could move on from Russell Wilson, if you move on from Russell Wilson, then your cap is just to screw it up as the saints one was. When you left. And so it's not like this is not a smooth landing, you know? I likened it to you're taking over a game of SimCity from a crazy person. That was playing it at the library and just got up and left. And you're sitting down and you're like, oh God, is that something you did? SimCity? At the library at the public library? At our middle school, I think our middle school had a knockoff version of roller coaster tycoon on the, we got those. Oh God. Do you remember those neon colored Macs? Yeah. That's what I was in college, Connor. Yeah. That felt like, I mean, I don't know if I've ever been prouder of being able to say I went to school somewhere, then when abington heights middle school got like three dozen neon Macs and I told everybody about that. I told my grandparents, like I was like, this is a big freaking deal, guys. We're going to be able to be on the Internet in 11 minutes. But we had a knockoff version of roller coaster tycoon that was free that you could download off the Internet. And instead of and gerbils would ride the roller coasters. You could build the roller coasters and build the roller coaster park, but there'd be gerbils on them. I don't know why. But so a lot of times, you know, a kid would get kicked off after his 45 minute computer time and you jump on and you don't have time to reboot and start over and so you're trying to just, you're trying to work with what you got. And maybe that kid, you know, I don't know, maybe you put the roller coaster over the ticket gate supposed to be and there's going to be some legal concerns there. You know, there's a lot of flies to volcano. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of, you know, this is a long winded analogy by way of saying that I think
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"Long con into sort of like an Andy Kaufman type a bit, that's brilliant, good for him. It was a super dry delivery. Okay. I don't know him personally, but I just assumed it was. Okay, good for him. Plus, you would imagine, right? Just like the WWE, right? That is rigged. That is fixed. It's scripted. There are so many opportunities to break out of that. And some of the most famous WWE wrestlers got to where they were because they complicated the script writing process by breaking character and doing something else that they weren't supposed to do, right? So, I don't know. Long story short, guys. Welcome to the welcome to the podcast. The NFL's not rigged. That's Gary gremlin and I'm Connor. Let's do this. Let's start with all the coaching news here. We've got head coaches. We've got coordinators. We have the Broncos settling for their third choice. What a fine organization. Other than last, someone pointed out they've had so many head coaches since the Super Bowl. It's been just an absurdly run operation there for a franchise that is one of the blue Bloods in the NFL, but Sean Payton's a really good head coach. Yes. Be clear on this. This is not something for, I don't know, someone's, I don't want to bust on some coach. You're not plucking someone out of the sun belt to come coach your team. Some belt has fine coaches as well. That's right. But I think it's pretty logical. You have very little draft capital. You had to give up another huge challenge. I mean, I know there's a lot of folks out there being like, well, you know, they were going to sign Bradley Chubb anyway, so it's almost like they're not giving up a first round. It's like, yeah, they are giving up our show. They could have spent that first round pick. And they're getting up a 2024 second rounder here. So yeah, they gave up a lot to get Sean Payton. There were some conflicting insider reports. I think while we can't 100% confirm one or the other, I think based on the timing and also the. Recent track record of the person who was trying to shoot down, these reports, I think it's quite clear that yes, the Broncos were interested in Jim Harbaugh. We're interested in tomiko Ryan's who they would have gotten without having to give up drive compensation. And also what Sean Payton said at the press conference did, you know, it sounded like the way he phrased it was that the Broncos had done a really nice job of letting him know where he stood throughout the process. Which to me very much matches up with, hey, we don't want to trade draft picks for you. We like you as a coach. So we're going to try and hire one of these other guys. And we don't get them. We'll circle back because you're also a very good coach and we like you. Et cetera. But that's where we land. No Jim Harbaugh, no D'amico Ryan's in Denver instead. It is Sean Payton, who again is a very good football coach. He is a good football coach. I wonder if this is what he wanted. Out of all this, right? Because if you go back, he hits his free agent tour, whatever it is. And lords over the entire process and expects everybody to basically show up at his doorstep, like you're a well wisher at The Godfather's daughter's funeral, right? And oh no, God, The Godfather's daughter's wedding. Yes. She didn't die, Gary. She got married. She did. Man. Yep. A little bit of a macabre star here to the MMP podcast. I don't know if The Godfather grants favors if his daughter died too. I hope not. I hope he's just being there for his family. Yeah. Anyway, I think he expected that treatment. I think he got himself to that moment. And then, you know, so I had been writing all along. I did not think he was going to get a job. And the reason that I wrote that is because I talked to a ton of people in the coaching industry and the overwhelming idea that I got back from all of these guys was, boy, that's a lot to give up for a head coach, right? 'cause it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 to 20 million. You have to pay him commensurate with the best head coaches in the NFL. You've got to give him Belichick money. You got to give him Belichick power. So you got to tell your GM, he's about to get steamrolled and you're paying for the GM salary. And then you got to give up draft capital. Now, I'm seeing a lot of people make excuses for the saints. For not getting the Jon Gruden return, which was two first two seconds and 8 million. Sean Payton's a better coach than Jon Gruden. And you should have been able to get something closer to that. Now, I've heard people defending the saints say, well, they were going to lose them anyway. So this is something other than nothing. I don't know. I'm kind of wishy washy on that 'cause you had him under contract for a couple more years, but whatever. You need the draft capital now. I get it. And so you're going to get what you get for it. But all along the belief was like, God, that's a lot to give up for a head coach. And so I don't know where that started to turn because I think Sean, I think. This is what I think. I'm not saying that he thinks this, but I think what he wanted was sort of the ready made retirement job, right? Where you walk in and the quarterbacks already set up, you know, Justin Herbert, maybe. Just name in a guy at the top of my head. And the offense, there's skill position talent there. There's a good team that you can kind of just as underperforming. You can flip them and make the playoffs. But that didn't happen. Dallas is sticking by Mike McCarthy, Brandon staley played himself into another year with the Chargers and changed offensive coordinators in the process. And so what you were left with was basically a decision by Payton, right? Do I want to go back in the booth? Do I want to risk being forgotten about? Do I want to take two years off? And so ultimately, you jump at an opportunity that I feel is pretty damn close to the saints to begin with, right? I don't know. I mean, you don't have a long-term solution at quarterback. You have issues with draft capital. You have and maybe your draft capital issues are the equivalent of the saints cap issues, right? Where it's going to complicate things in the near term. And if you get a if you're paying and you got assurances that you could move on from Russell Wilson, if you move on from Russell Wilson, then your cap is just to screw it up as the saints one was. When you left. And so it's not like this is not a smooth landing, you know? I likened it to you're taking over a game of SimCity from a crazy person. That was playing it at the library and just got up and left. And you're sitting down and you're
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"This is like, did you ever play, well, Pokémon fire red and leaf green at the end after you defeat the elite four, you go back to canto and then you go up to this mountain and then you essentially like you're a new character, but you face the original guy in red and green and he's like super strong now and has like all 99s and you have to beat level 99 poke once. You have to beat him. That's like Kyle Shanahan. There's all these other trainers inspired by him, but then at the end, like, look who has a level 72 snorlax, just sitting there, you know? It's like his 5th best Pokémon, you know? That's dicey. I think that, like I said, more things have to go right for the rams than the forty-niners, but I have a weird feeling about this one. They're just on this like weird run of like fortunate circumstances, strange things are happening. And you could argue that that's going to run out and then they're just going to get throttled by a good team who beat the bucks fairly soundly before that Brady come back or weird things keep happening. So I don't know. I kind of have like a forty-niners 21 rams 20 vibe almost, you know? Like just a really weird like a blocked extra point or something's gonna like screw this game up early and then all of a sudden we're all like, what happened? Yeah, if you're the rams, you gotta take the ball if you win if you win the toss. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go 28 20 rams. I think it's a comfortable rain shaker. And that's it. I am a man of science and objectivity. And so I don't believe the forty-niners can continue to get blocked punts and things like that going in their direction. That's fair. But you know it's going to suck about that because you're right. I think you're right. And it's going to be a ram's chief Super Bowl, which if I'm not mistaken, was that our mag prediction? It was, and I just railed against that. You were fantastic. Like, a ton of times. First of all, because the browns weren't in it. And second of all, because the packers were in it. And I just remember being like, this is so dumb and unoriginal. Like, who picks the chiefs in the rams because it's just like the two best teams and like whatever, and this is dumb. And this was gonna be. So you said who picked it? I was like, I did. I think I texted you. I was like, who did this? There was there was a most years because I've been tasked with picking the Sports Illustrated Super Bowl the last like three years or whatever it is. And I usually just say, I go to photo and I say, who do we have like a great photo of?.
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"Don't think I'd get a book deal, but I would try. Yes. It would sit in a Microsoft Word document. Oh, I'll read it. All right, let's go on to the NFC game round three here with the rams the forty-niners. I still say there's just not a whole lot I draw from that second matchup in LA, but I certainly think you can go back to earlier this season the Monday matchup now while I would argue that the rams offense was kind of a mess at that point. They just lost Robert Woods. They had a really weird pick 6 at the beginning of that game that just threw everything off schedule there for them. But the story of that game was just the overwhelming performance by the forty-niners run game and that was one of the games that started with one of their 11 minute drives or whatever it was with the rams just couldn't get off the field. They just couldn't get Eli Mitchell and deal Samuel on the ground and that that seems like it would be the most likely formula in a forty-niners win. I would imagine that the other, there's a lot of weird stuff, right? I mean, there was the pick 6 in that game, there was, am I mistaken? Was that like the first Odell Beckham's first or second game with the rams or am I wrong inside? I think that was his first. Yeah, I thought it was like one of his first games. Yeah, I think it was his first game. And then it was that weird moment where they were kind of trying to dial him in and things just weren't working necessarily. They had that one cool thing that Matt Stafford did where I think he like looked him, looked at him in the backfield and then that created a little soft spot for Cooper Cup. That was a 30 yard gain in that game. That was neat. Odell is a different player now. I mean, he is a major factor in this offense. And so I think you have to take that into account. But you're right. I mean, both situations were kind of fluky. You wonder if they can do that again. And does Jimmy Garoppolo does he have another one of those in them where he can really come back and rescue you like that? Boy, yeah. I don't know. On one hand, I want Jimmy Garoppolo and he's kind of like, boy, you're horrific, second reaction interceptions. You kind of get them all out of your system early in the postseason here. You have one of each in the first two games. Surely there is not another one coming, but it's dicey when he drops back there. And obviously they're going to they're going to pressure him. Although the forty-niners have had a pretty good track record against Aaron Donald, even though they don't have, I don't think those guys are overwhelming talents they have on the interior there. But yeah, I don't know. If you factor in a lack of a sort of Jimmy Garoppolo disastrous mistake, it really, for me, it just comes out to the rams. This is the vaguest worst analysis you could possibly give, but like you just have to you have to tackle Eli Mitchell. You have to put Jimmy Garoppolo in a series of third.
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"You had one of those last week against the Titans, but the Titans did a nice job of shutting him down. Bengals score less than 20 points. You know, what if you don't get one of those this week? That's like my big thing. And I don't think Joe burrow is gonna play bad. I think he's gonna be pressured. But if you don't get Jamar chase going and the chiefs figure out a way to slow him down, which I think Steve spagnola has been in the league for a long time, can probably handle that. What do you have left, especially if Chris Jones is going to dominate in the interior? I don't know. I like, I don't know if it's like, you know, 7 out of ten or 6 out of ten I would say times the chiefs win that. I think it's a scenario where and I think you got to touch on it there. The Bengals need to be like plus two in those big plays, those 50 plus yard plays. And I'm not, I mean, look, no one should get more of those and the chiefs than any given match up. So it's up. That's the formula it's just not a likely path to victory. Yeah. Jamar chase was so ridiculous in that game, by the way. But if you're the Bengals, this is gonna get clipped now and put on like Cincinnati area radio and when they make the Super Bowl and I'm already like so to go back, I pick every single game of the year back in July, right? And then that week, you predict every team's record because you pick every game. And that week is always flooded with calls from every radio station wanting you to come on and defend your picks. I think ray ratto from San Francisco, the legendary ray ratto. Said it best when he's like, who are you and why are you doing this? Doesn't make any sense. But Cincinnati, it was at the end of the week and I was like frustrated and I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. And then the Bengals, whoever was doing like local radio and Cincinnati called their like three games, are you kidding? And then I was just like, I lost it. And I was like, this team is bad. They suck, like they're not going to win a lot of games. So like, stop calling me. And then, of course, they're in the Super Bowl. So I'm already like, I already look like a jerk there, but you know it's funny, it's like you've had so much progress with Joe burrow and everything looks so awesome. It's like you should just like make some deal with the devil with the chiefs and just be like, you know, just get us out of this healthy. You know, like if you don't, if you don't sack him and we can play with a fully healthy Joe burrow next year, like we'll just we'll just run like the wing tee and then blame it on Zack Taylor or something like that. I don't know. But he's so special. You know what I mean? Like he's such a special player. Would you rather give your all and lose and then not have him for a portion of next season or just like, I'm not seriously suggesting this, but like, man, you know, it's just watching the Titans game. God, if they lose him again, it's what worries me, you know? You're sort of aiming for a bell dozer versus samaje pran, wildcat type of game here. I would love that. I would write a book on that..
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"I feel like the only catch chase made downfield in that divisional round game in Tennessee was the last one to set up the set of the field goal there. I think everything else was a lot of quick stuff. And that said, I mean, he is, he is incredible with the ball in his hands, like at a level where I always thought he was good with the ball in his hands at LSU. I didn't think he was going to be able to do what he's doing, which is, I mean, there was a one throw to the flat, where it's like, two guys were pursuing them. It's like, all right, this is gonna be like a four yard gain and all of a sudden he just hits another hits another level here and turns the corner and doesn't lose any speed when he's turning the corner and then he's 25 yards down field. So he created a bunch of stuff out of kind of nothing in that game. And then they had the one big throw to him and that was that was kind of it, but I would expect, especially after last time, I mean, they have to bracket him at all times. There's no, there's no more option for the chiefs. There's no more single coverage on a Jamar chase in any scenario. Yeah. And I went back and I was looking at their first matchup and this is so it's interesting. What the Titans did to Joe burrow. I thought was worth noting because they traditionally are one of the least blitz happy teams in the NFL. And what they did early was they kind of emptied the emptied the ammo on their blitz stuff, which was only like four or 5 times that they blitzed, right? And they also emptied their ammo on all the stunt stuff where they were kind of switching stuff with the defensive line and have one guy crash. One guy loop all that kind of stuff. But then for the rest of the game, once the Bengals were tired, it was four on 5 and it was just like an ass kicking, you know, and Jeffrey Simmons was just dominating. And the chiefs didn't even need to do that in their first matchup. Like if you look at that opening drive, you know, and I don't know how many times this has happened to the Bengals this year where did basically three guys trying to block Chris Jones and then you somehow get Frank Clark like isolated on the tight end. And this happened time and time and time again for them. And of course, Joe burrow just gets crushed on that. And you don't need Jeffrey Simmons to be able to create that kind of pressure. And if you have Chris Jones plus Frank Clark, like you're going to be able to really kind of screw his day up a little bit. So other side of the ball here, last time they met it was look it was a bit of a dink and dunk game for mahomes and this chief's offense here and they were out to a lead. They maybe ran a little bit more than you'd get in a normal game script and then the Bengals came back and retook the lead. But I do want to note, when they played last time, Tyree killed did not seem to be, you know, it looked like he was playing about 75%. He was not his usual self, whereas, as we saw last week, he was his usual self, but when they met the first time, let's see 40 yards on 6 catches and ten targets..
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"sean payton" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"I mean, it was 9 straight years of you know what we should do to get rid of this Todd Bowles guide. Get a Bill cowher, you know? It's good for him. But yeah, outside of Bill cowher, I don't remember, like when Joe Gibbs came back, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's easy the only person I can think of, you know? Now he's a Sean Payton's going to, boy, what a feeling he's going to be for him when he starts shopping around for job next year. It's going to be fun. All right, we have actual football this weekend. Congress championship games, we are going to go let's go in regular chronological order because we usually go in reverse chronic logical order. And I feel like this is, I don't know, just respecting the way that time moves forward when it's all said and done. So we're going to start with the AFC game Bengals and chiefs, obviously, over in arrowhead, a rematch of their matchup earlier this year. We'll start with a Bengals offense against the chiefs defense because if you go back their first matchup, obviously Joe burrow sort of had his way with his chief secondary. We will see what time Matthews situation ends up being because that was not a very good performance after he went down last week for the chief. So you have that going on, you also have a game last week where the Bengals offense did not function at the kind of level where you'd want it to function in a game like this. So I don't know if the chiefs necessarily can find more answers. I didn't think they necessarily had an issue getting to Joe burrow last time, just it was kind of that. It's that thing where it's like job knows his right side of the line can't block. And he's ready for it. And he ducks and he escapes. And then they do it that way. Yeah, again, I just don't know how often you can continue to live that way. I mean, 9 sacks after a season high 59 sacks and we seem to forget because he's a spectacular player that I mean he tore his ACL PCL and what MCL last year and so again I mean, yes, it's recovered. It's healed. He's been traditionally a quick healer in a strong guy, but, you know, at some point, you know, this is going to it's just going to come back to bite you. And I don't know what they're going to do because, you know, they stayed in 11 personnel, right against the Titans. They didn't bring a lot of guys into help. I don't know if they have the guys to help. And I don't know who on that interior is going to all of a sudden learn how to win matchups. Because that's the problem. It's like, you know, defenses can kind of isolate one or two guys and they can put your best guy in your worst guy and can win with regularity. So what do you do in that situation? I don't know. Zach Taylor didn't really transition to the quick game. Against the Titans, didn't need to, because Joe burrows fantastic, but I don't know if you come in this week. More hell bent on doing that, you know? Yeah, it just kind of ends up being like, well, we didn't protect them all year, so. Why is it going to be different now? And he will just he'll figure it out when it's all set into. You good back there? Yeah. Yup. So you have that. And if you go back to that first matchup to march, chase was just completely unguardable in that game..
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"sean payton" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"But good piece of currency. It's great. Yeah, I wish I could find a way to use it. But I think I think you're right. I think if I'm the coach who is the most scared right now, it's obviously Mike McCarthy, right? Because you came off a season where, you know, you're probably not going Jerry Jones probably isn't going to make any staff changes at this point, but boy, he's probably thinking, you know, he's probably mad about it and isn't psyched about the way the season ended. And he's long had an affinity for Sean Payton. That's home for him. You know, in Texas there. So I think that makes a great deal of sense. If Sean Payton ends up working for like Sunday Night football or Thursday Night Football or something and they have like a game in Dallas, I would just not let him in the building if I were Mike McCarthy. I'd be like, no. You can't come in this week. Just give him all the wrong information, so he looks like an idiot on the air. Here's the address. It's out here in Austin. I'll meet you there. But yeah, I think it definitely changes the equation for a couple of these teams. If you're Las Vegas, you're right. I mean, you just stick with Versace now because if you're not going to bring in harbor, this is a very underwhelming relatively speaking coaching class. Now, a lot of times those end up producing some of the best coaches, yes, no doubt about that. But I think if you're waiting for that star to ripen in season, you know, just stick with passi for your or you get Sean Payton, but I can't remember and maybe you would have a slightly broader scope of memory than I but I can't remember a coach coming back on the market and being a bigger free agent than Sean Payton would be a year from now. Like I think that would be the biggest free agent coach in history. And even though he's not a free agent, you have to trade for him still. But I think that would be gigantic. Bill cowher, he's still coming back any day now. Still waiting for that one. He did. He did. He did kind of get through his tributaries that he wanted that jets job, and it looked like Trevor Lawrence was going to be the quarterback. So you never know. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you can't completely rule it out, but that was the counter things just so funny looking back on it because like every off season or three off season and it was like, I was like, oh, he's coming back. Someone's getting back and just, nope, he's just fine at CBS and doing his thing. So you live good for him. Reader, you live in the greater New York City area to see you have access to like I do WFAN. Yep. It was like, I moved here in 2010 and but started living in the greater New York City area in 2009. And so then listening to the fan for that long. And every third call was about Bill cowher from 2009 until, I don't know, 2018..
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"sean payton" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"But it is amazing that nobody's pointing at it and kind of calling it what it is, which is, you know, of course he thought it was a good time to go. This team's gonna suck for like three years, and you don't feel like doing that. You know, you'd rather do something else and I don't blame him. It's the same thing as Tom Brady and Tampa Bay. Like you're retiring now because you're losing half the roster you might be retiring now. I don't know, 'cause you're losing half the roster. The Oracle going off again. Yeah. Because you know the half the roster's gone and I half the coaching staff has gone and so you know what whatever happens happens there. But you know it is a little bit of an abandonment, right? And this is the trouble with teams that I think that put everything into the idea that one guy is always going to be there, right? So the saints mortgage their future like over and over and over and over and over again and like their cap is like it's just like the one guy at the national debt relief hotline now that's just trying to figure everything out and piece it together. And you can do that when Sean Payton is calling place. But when he's not, all of a sudden, it's like, wow, like we're going to need an exterminator to come in here and figure this out. And their cap is not as bad as everyone's making out to be. Yes, they are $70 million for next year. But a lot of that, a lot of that is like extensions and restructures or stuff like that. And then I think they'll be fine. You know, it's not like it's not like they're going to fail to produce a team or only have 8 guys to put on the field next year. Come up with 21 guys. Here we are. That happened to me on Madden, by the way. I kept I kept taking undrafted free agent quarterbacks and then I would I would make them really famous and like have them throw for like 9000 yards in the season and then I would franchise tag them and then trade them for the first pick. And I just in the draft and I kept doing that over and over and over again and then like season four came and I had like 24 players on the roster and they were like, you can't have any more money. You can't make this work. And I was like, then we're gonna play with 24, but that's not what the saints are gonna do. They're gonna have enough, they're gonna have all the players they're supposed to have. All right, so the quarterback situation is up in the air in New Orleans, the head coach situation is up in the air there. Really a head coach situations as we tape this on a beautiful Wednesday evening. It's kind of up in the air everywhere. We don't have any hirings to this point, but Sean Payton, so he says he's not going to coach in 2022. If we take him at his word for that, and there's no reason not to. And he is going to be basically the candidate in 2023, how does that sort of change things? If I'm the, if I'm Mark Davis right now, and I know he kind of has a thing for Jim Harbaugh, we'll see if that can work out. But does that tip you over into, well, let's do one more year with rich Versace and then back up a dump truck full of JFK 50 cent pieces for Sean Payton should have come to that next off season. I keep a JFK 50 cent piece in my wallet. I don't know if you knew that..
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"sean payton" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"Hello and welcome to the MMP NFL podcast on Gary Grammy. I'm Connor. And Connor, your oracle powers a few weeks ago, they were going off a shining type of thing is how I like to picture it. But you were getting some vibes from however you do it for the earth from the universe that maybe Sean Payton would not be long for that saints job, and here we are. A couple of weeks later, and Sean Payton has indeed stepped down. It's a pretty fun stuff. I don't know if you remember, I was talking to somebody about this show yesterday. Did you ever watch crossing over with John Edward? Yeah, I believe I've accused you of being John Edwards. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. This was good. It felt like because I imagine that John Edward goes out some days and he's just like, I'm hearing from a Peter and then nobody in the audience brings anything up, and then he's like, oh, shit, and I'm in a lot of trouble today. That's most days in the prediction business. I would say. But every now and then a blind squirrel finds a nut. And that was our that was our Sean Payton column that we wrote a couple of weeks ago. All right, so let's talk about the saints first and then we'll talk about the larger impact because certainly we haven't seen the last of Sean Payton on an NFL sideline at this point. But the saints are in boy, just a rough spot right now because if you go back to last season, I would argue they were probably probably not definitely but probably a Jared Cook fumble away from hanging on against the bucks and going on to the NFC title game and then let's see what happens out in Lambo. But that team was Super Bowl ready. Obviously they had Drew Brees under center. It was a it was a very similar team, except for the quarterback situation. And then you fast forward to this year and James Winston was not really working out even before the torn ACL and then after the tourney ACL, it just all, there's just nothing there. Whether it was Trevor semi in, whether it was Ian book or whether it was a Taysom Hill. So I'm not really sure how much anyone wants to go to New Orleans, despite the fact you have a veteran team that is kind of a win now roster from two to 53. Cat problems. It looks like a rebuild coming. Yeah, which is probably why he left, right? You know, and again, I wrote this yesterday. I don't think he owes anybody anything. I mean, Sean Payton won them a Super Bowl. He played competitive football there for 15 years or whatever..
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"sean payton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"And you also go into it that you're going to have a new coach losing a guy like Sean Payton is losing a pillar of your organization. So losing a guy as big of a deal as Sean Payton, no quarterback. They're going to have to hit the reset button here a little bit in New Orleans so some of these guys that are getting up there in age or contractually are very, very expensive, might not make the most sense to hang on to and at this point for the saints. Yeah, I'll pass on Michael Thomas. I just boy. He's played 13 games in the last two years. You don't like slam boy? He fell off. He had one good year. They traded the wrong guy. They had to trade one of them. They traded the wrong guy. They should have kept branding cooks. But that's another point. I don't know, Brandon cooks. Michael Thomas, does Brandon cooks have Michael Thomas this season? Was that 2019 with Drew Brees? He had one really good besides that. I mean, basically, since that season, he's been hurt. Yeah. So I guess Michael Thomas is the peak, but if you want the extended like overall body of work, I'd be more impressed by Brady cooks. Marshall Latin was the one for me, 'cause we just talked about it. They needed second corner. And the documents of right now. But you talked about this on the last show, though. One of the biggest issues for the Patriots is they had a place zone and that forces their linebackers into coverage and that was a big problem. You have JC Jackson and Marshawn Lattimore opposite each other. Oh yeah, go play no zone. Right. Knockers don't have to cover anything. Go ahead. Then go ahead and get all whatever's first name is Chanel from Wisconsin. The 270 pound downhill kit. Leo right and all. You can have him running downhill all you want. If you got JC Jackson opposite Marshall added more. So if they're going to pick a piece off that roster, he's the guy to me, I guess if you want to go like pound for pound, considering he cost a ton. I can't imagine Cameron Jordan would be super expensive at this point. Yeah. And having him opposite Matthew judon, I think would be a nice little fit, but yeah that's where I'm at with that. By the way, Sean Payton is going to be back in the NFL. This is one year off, and then he's going to Dallas..
The Dan Patrick Show
New Orleans Saints to Use Interim Facility for First Month of Season
"The new orleans saints have picked their starting quarterback jameis winston. Jeff duncan covering the team new orleans times. Picayune sports columnist. Let me start with that season opener given the weather and we still have some time. Here is their contingency plans. If the saints can't host the packers that opening weekend jeff dan. They're working on that right now. I mean the situation is so fluid as you can imagine in new orleans. The power outages catastrophic. The entire city is still out of power. And so there's so many other priorities right now in the city beyond the football game and we stopped the sean payton this morning. Big look like the saints are going to set up shop in the dallas fort worth area. Absurd least the next month or so and he mentioned that they'd even looked into possibly playing their home games over in dallas and. At and t. stadium. I think that's one of the ideas they're not going around with. There's so many moving parts here other trying to make roster cuts today get players out of there and they got families members all in the hotel move hotel so it's a it's a crazy situation very unprecedent.
WFAN Sports Radio_FM Show
Saints Head Coach Sean Payton Disappointed With Timing of Michael Thomas' Surgery
"Head coach of the Saints. He says he's disappointed with the timing of Michael Thomas's surgery when it happened in June, and it could have happened a whole lot earlier than that disappointing. And we'll work through it with the other players that are here. Um, but the surgery took place and obviously You know, we would have liked That to have happened earlier than later. And quite honestly, it should have Can you explain? I mean, was there a lack of communication in between work? Nope. I'm gonna leave it at that.
FOX Sports Radio Weekends
Drew Brees, Saints rework contract to save almost $24M in cap space
"And Drew Brees agreed to a restructuring of his contract. You're probably thinking, Oh, man, he is coming back when they don't know they restructured his 24 plus million dollar contract down to the veteran's minimum of like a million and change. Why would they do that? Well because he's going to retire. And so that way it opens up that cap space and they've got that available and ready so that they sort of know where they're at. And so that, so that was just a sign an indication that Drew Brees. He's done there already, you know, going through the motions, and it's over. Is anybody surprised that Drew Brees because also, Sean Payton said he expects a for a decision from Drew Brees next week. Anybody all that surprised that Drew Brees is waiting until after the Super Bowl to make his decision on his retirement?
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"Ultimately Drew Brees and Sean Payton over 15 seasons. A lot of post seasons a Super Bowl championship. Was not enough that it was disappointing and underachieving. I sat on that and thought, boy. Would I define the Drew Brees era as under achieving Here is Saints radio Network host Christian Courage who joined Amy Lawrence here on CBS Sports Radio. To be honest, 15 years of Drew Brees and Sean Payton. Together they only have one Super Bowl. That's underachieving. It's disappointing, but you could make the case for the Nolan. Oh, call, but you know it is what it is. Sean Payton says that all the time so and that was in that regard. You get one Super Bowl with those two guys together. That's an underachievement and look the fans. There are quick to note that I know right now They're kind of prisoners in the moment and you know with somebody else's quarterback in this team, whether it's tasting Hill or Jamis Winston I think Phil can and even greater appreciation for what number nine did in black and gold both on and off the field. 15 years of Drew Brees and Sean Payton. What? I describe it as an underachievement. I would not. I know that fans hoped for more. And I know that when you have a coach in a quarterback together for that long and you go to that many post seasons That you want and desire a little bit more confetti. One more parade, some or glory. I would not define Drew Brees is era in New Orleans as underachieving. I would describe it as disappointing and those are two different things. Is it disappointing that the Saints did not get another bite at the apple in the Super Bowl? Sure. Over the course of 15 years, did they underachieve? I don't believe so. Here's what the resume is 15 years between 2006 and 2020. They had nine playoff seasons. Again six non playoff seasons. Five of those seasons. They had 12 form or winds. Four times They went 13 and three to me, 12 and four is a great year. 13 and three is an elite year. They had 5 12 Win seasons arm or and 4 13 win campaigns. They went to three NFC Championship games. And won a Super Bowl. When I look at that resume, that's a lot of freaking winning. It's a lot of playoffs and a lot of winning. They want eight playoff games. It's a lot of victories. That's a lot of success. That's a lot of walking out of that building feeling good more than you feel bad. Playoff losses are tough, and this is why I would say it's disappointing but not underachieving is that the playoff losses all feel kind of seismic. Literally in Seattle. Remember, they were 11 and five and went to play the first sub 500 team of the playoffs. The seven and nine Seahawks and lost In the Beast Quake game. It's a really memorable bad loss. Remember, Also, Drew Brees got out dueled the next season in 2011 by Alex Smith and the 40 Niners in that crazy 36 32 Vernon Davis game. That's a really memorable loss. They lost on the Minneapolis miracle. They lost with no pass interference called at the end of the NFC championship game against the Rams. By you blunder. They lost to Kirk Cousins at home. When we've all felt like there's no way Kirk Cousins could win on the road to the playoffs and then Drew Brees just threw three I Antes and Jared Cook fumble the football for four turnovers against the Buccaneers on Sunday. I think the thing is those all feel like really painful ways to lose. But when you go to the playoffs nine times in 15 years You win a Super Bowl. And You completely changed the complexion of the entire organization. From the moment you stepped in the door. I can't call that underachieving. It could be disappointing. It can't be underachieving. In 2000 and five You have to realize the New Orleans Saints had been to the playoffs a mere five times their history. They were one and four. Okay. For one and five. They had won one playoff game in five trips before Drew Brees took over. Breeze and Peyton Get there in 2006. They're in the playoffs. The first here they're in the NFC championship game the first year the first year. Again. They had not been to the playoffs. Except for once in the last 14. They'd won one playoff game ever in the franchise history and in year one there the NFC Championship game. In 2000 and nine They're 13 and three They win the Super Bowl and Sean Payton's onside kick. And Drew Brees. Out doing Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl. That's all time moment, the only time the franchise has ever been or won a Super Bowl. You've got that with your resume. I can't say that's underachieving. I can say there's been a lot of painful losses. But I think also what you have to remember is the last four years have been really good for the Saints. And then really painful exits. Four really painful playoff exits. But as they moved on, the saints were 11 and 5, 33 13 and three then 12 and four Breeze was no longer Drew Brees. And he had the misfortune of timing here. The three years before that 2014 to 2016. The Saints were 797979. And Drew Brees was a better version of himself that he was the last four years. Had things flipped. And Drew Brees had Lattimore and Kamara and Thomas and all of the great pieces they've brought in or drafted. In 14 15 16 instead of going 79 and going home every year for the playoffs. Instead, these 13 and threes and 12 and force happened then. I think the Saints were in a Super Bowl or two. But breezes effectiveness waned as the team got better, and we saw that with Teddy Bridgewater and Taysom Hill winning when he wasn't in. The team itself was better but breezes getting worse Breeze was getting injured. Breeze is getting old. And ultimately in the playoffs. It goes back to my real true belief. You need elite quarterbacking in the playoffs to win a Super Bowl, You could win a playoff game, You could win a playoff round. But you can't win a Super Bowl..
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"sean payton" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Ultimately Drew Brees and Sean Payton over 15 seasons. A lot of post seasons a Super Bowl championship. Was not enough that it was disappointing and underachieving. I sat on that and thought, boy. Would I define the Drew Brees era as under achieving Here is Saints radio Network host Christian Courage who joined Amy Lawrence here on CBS Sports Radio. To be honest, 15 years of Drew Brees and Sean Payton. Together. They only have one Super Bowl that's underachieving. It's disappointing, but you could make the case for the Nolan. I'll call but you know it is what it is. Champagne says that all the time so in that was in that regard. You get one Super Bowl with those two guys together. That's an underachievement and look the fans. There are quick to note that I know right now They're kind of prisoners in the moment and you know with somebody else's quarterback in this team, whether it's tasting Hill or Jamis Winston I think Phil again and even greater appreciation for what number nine did in black and gold both on and off the field. 15 years of Drew Brees and Sean Payton. Would I describe it as an underachievement? I would not. I know that fans hoped for more. And I know that when you have a coach in a quarterback together for that long and you go to that many post seasons That you want and desire a little bit more confetti. One more parade, some or glory. I would not define Drew Brees is era in New Orleans as underachieving. I would describe it as disappointing and those are two different things. Is it disappointing that the Saints did not get another bite at the apple in a Super Bowl? Sure. Over the course of 15 years, did they underachieve? I don't believe so. Here's what the resume is 15 years between 2006 and 2020. They had nine playoff seasons. Again six non playoff seasons. Five of those seasons there, 12 form or winds four times They went 13 and three to me, 12 and four is a great year. 13 and three is an elite year. They had 5 12 Win seasons arm or and 4 13 win campaigns. They went to three NFC Championship games. And won a Super Bowl. When I look at that resume, that's a lot of freaking winning. It's a lot of playoffs and a lot of winning. They want eight playoff games. It's a lot of victories. That's a lot of success. That's a lot of walking out of that building feeling good more than you feel bad. Playoff losses are tough, and this is why I would say it's disappointing but not underachieving is that the playoff losses all feel kind of seismic. Literally in Seattle. Remember, they were 11 and five and went to play the first sub 500 team of the playoffs. The seven and nine Seahawks and lost In the Beast Quake game. It's a really memorable bad loss. Remember, Also Drew Brees got out jeweled. The next season in 2011 by Alex Smith and the 40 Niners in that crazy 36 32 Vernon Davis game. That's a really memorable loss. They lost on the Minneapolis miracle. They lost with no pass interference called at the end of the NFC championship game against the Rams. By you blunder. They lost to Kirk Cousins at home. When we've all felt like there's no way Kirk Cousins could win on the road to the playoffs and then Drew Brees just threw three I Antes and Jared Cook fumble the football for four turnovers against the Buccaneers on Sunday. I think the thing is those all feel like really painful ways to lose. But when you go to the playoffs nine times in 15 years You win a Super Bowl. And You completely changed the complexion of the entire organization. From the moment you stepped in the door. I can't call that underachieving. It could be disappointing. It can't be underachieving. In 2000 and five You have to realize the New Orleans Saints had been to the playoffs a mere five times their history. They were one and four. Okay. For one and five. They had won one playoff game in five trips before Drew Brees took over. Breeze and paint and get there in 2006. They're in the playoffs, the first here in the NFC championship game the first year the first year. Again. They had not been to the playoffs. Except for once in the last 14. They'd won one playoff game ever in the franchise history and in year one there the NFC Championship game. In 2000 and nine They're 13 and three They win the Super Bowl and Sean Payton's onside kick. And Drew Brees. Out doing Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl. That's all time moment, the only time the franchise has ever been or won a Super Bowl. You've got that with your resume. I can't say that's underachieving. I can say there's been a lot of painful losses. But I think also what you have to remember is the last four years have been really good for the Saints. And then really painful exits. Four really painful playoff exits. But as they moved on, the Saints were 11 and 5 33 13 and three than 12 and four Breeze was no longer Drew Brees. And he had the misfortune of timing here. The three years before that 2014 to 2016. The same for 797979. And Drew Brees is a better version of himself that he was the last four years. Had things flipped..
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How the Tampa Bay Buccaneers upset the New Orleans Saints to advance to the N.F.C. championship game.
"Drew brees tom. Brady eighty five years worth of quarterbacks second quarter at six three saints and then dan fish huge mistake by brief. Yeah first of all the internal pressure and second of all the physical. Play at the line of scrimmage by murphy bunting getting physical with the receiver michael thomas undercutting that outraged by drew brees. That throw was a huge tone. And that. I love the to mike evans big body in the red zone. Stay in between the quarterback and defensive back touchdown tampa bay for cash in ten six tampa ensuing drive seats trying to respond. This is james winstons. First career playoff past and dan take a look at the triggering. Yeah love the beautiful design and then trey smith leaking down the middle field. But this is really about everyone paying attention to alvin kamara. Watch the tailback in. How many blocks defenders run that way. They lead tricon smith on blocked out here. You big cat. Take great play designed by matt. Nagy that sean payton carries over to yesterday saints thirteen. Ten is the advantage there. Bucks get a field goal. So we're tied up at halftime first. Possession of the second breeze to smith again beautiful. Throw we've seen so much by drew. Brees that incites thought. Fade carry into the sideline touchdown new orleans but then later in the third dan. This play changed the entire game. It's incredible winco junior yet. Tampa new orleans wins. The right they get that slant because it's man coverage but just watch that right hand come in on that back side punch to finish that playoff for tampa bay's defense. That ball bounces right to their defender to huge turnover for them saints turnovers and the bucks cashing in. That was the story of the game. Here's brady that's leonard. Four bucks tied up at twenty cook knows. That mistake was critical. Comes another one dan. Although this one clearly seems to be miscommunication yeah really. It's really just trying to get a vertically route to evan chimera out of the backfield but what happens is never liked. Does a remarkable job of playing with vision onto drew brees patient and then no wasted movement snaps drives on that football before kamera ever turns around and drew knows that was a terrible decision. Saints third turnover leads to this brady takes it himself. Tom brady giving the bucks a thirty to twenty lead. Only the rap isn't excited about it and one last chance now. Desperation time for freeze. That is tipped in the air. And that is all she
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Turnovers Doom Saints in 30-20 NFC Divisional Playoffs Loss to Bucs
"Bill. I just want to dive into it here. Because there's a lot to get to after watching the bucks. Beat the saints. Thirty to twenty so new orleans had been in tampa bay twice this season in week. One about four hundred years ago and then again in november. So what was the difference in this game vs those other two. I really simple pablo the saints. Just didn't protect the football. In the two regular season games between these teams the saints won the turnover battle. Both times there are plus three in the week one victory and then one up in the rematch. Tom brady threw five picks across those two games. Only seven in his other fourteen games. That really felt like the saints had his number and they were gonna have to flip that to win in new orleans. Well they flipped. It didn't turn the ball over the saints coughed up. Four times including three interceptions drew brees. The bucks turned the first few takeaways and two touchdowns and use the fourth to wrap up the game and kneel down. It's virtually impossible to win a playoff game. That sort of margin the saints will just sloppy in this game. Mean breeze could have thrown four or five picks. He threw an awful interception under pressure for the first one and on the same page with alvin kamara on a scene route for the second interception. The third bounced off jared cook. Who also fumbled away a completion on a drive where the saints were looking at. Go up to scores. They lost the ball and proceeded to give up seventeen unanswered points to end their season. So clearly the bucks had a formula of sorts for stopping breeze in it seemed like every aspect of this game. But it's not just that they stopped him instead. They made him look straight up terrible really often and i'm wondering how did they do that to that degree. Well i really think that todd bowles bucks defense. Look the tape from last week's game against the bears look how drew brees was playing. Look at how pal those receivers were moving and just didn't think there was anybody in that lineup who could reliably win against man coverage or beat them down field with their speed. This was especially true. After the saints lost deonte harris who had two long punt returns early in this game to a neck injury the saints did get a long touchdown but it was not with brees on the field. It was the lone snap for one jameis winston who came in and use the same trick. Play the bears ran against them last week. For a long touchdown coming across his sanders they handed to them. Refers goes to jameson mega man. Wide open trade smith at the twenty five fifteen ten five and a touchdown saints and jameis winston. What a touchdown pass against his former overall when breeze on the field it was pretty clear at the game plan was to dare him and his receivers to try and take shots towards the sidelines and get downfield and the game plan worked the bucks used heavy doses of twists and stunts upfront create pressure and then just smothered breezes receivers. I honestly it really felt the only reason. Sean payton didn't bench breeze for winston on the last drive. The game is because it was probably a last few snaps of drew brees his career.
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Is Drew Brees no longer the elite quarterback of the past
"Think it's time to sound the alarms on drew brees who was uncharacteristically erratic with his accuracy yesterday on top of of the week one game where he couldn't move the ball it's definitely too bad back to back weeks for drew brees. But I think this week them not having Michael Thomas out there I mean Alvin Kamara he's still look good but obviously, they need more than just him. He can't just be the Alvin Kamara show out there. So drew brees I. Think. Yeah. You have to be a little concerned at this that we're not seeing what we should be seeing out of him because Derek Carr put up the numbers that drew brees should have last night. It's another game where you know you look at breeze his average depth target is just over five yards, the vast majority, and this was obviously true with Michael Thomas to the vast majority of yardage that he's gaining is coming after the catch it's a different type of quarterback that they have to play around. Like Luke are my son, it became a saints fan a year ago, and my concern was like, well, you kind of jumped on this one a little late in the game had you been born earlier that might have been more profitable for you but he asked last night like is drew brees look so sad and I thought like like on a micro right like on a micro level it's because you're losing to the raiders on Monday night football and you're frustrated but like on a Matra level like the something in the is a breeze. Through me down the stretch like you can kind of get in the is well, you've seen this with Peyton manning to like in that last year and. First of all small sample size. Let's see what happens the true breeze but there are concerning distressing signals out there were seen it on the field and I thought that there was a look in the eyes of drew brees last night that sort of new something's changed here. It's not the end, but something's changed and heap maybe shares a little bit of the concern that we share because he had. You did and he. Does face. It makes me think about retirement. Remember he almost consider retirement. And players always say like once you think about it you're you're already you're already there. What did you see colleen last night? No. The same thing that's US did there was one shot in particular of through breezes face that he just you could see it was written all over his face. It was just pure dejection I. Guess to like He. He looked so sad in the moment time for that Viking funeral just put him on the wooden rafts now and push them out into the Gulf of Mexico start firing those arrows Taylor swift. They've got Winston. I Love Patras tweet where he said, we're like four weeks away from breeze coming down with a mysterious injury and Winston getting a little bit of a test drive. I mean listen that would be wild and I. Think our boy that boy wolf the number one saints fan on. Twitter pointed out that Winston had killer training camp, and and you know we also have, of course chastened Tatum Hill the twenty one, million dollar man who really has not been involved the offense too much through two weeks. Sean Payton is a guy that is if they continue to struggle you imagine it's going to be hard for him not to think about mixing things up or perhaps making a big change, but it still thinks I still feels a little premature especially the Michael Thomas. Out. Emmanuel Sanders had had a bad game yesterday. He's obviously not his straight he's in the. Chakwal Smith. IS THEIR NUMBER ONE RECEIVER So a lot of the states have a lot of work to do both in strategy and play and discipline. And now they got the packers. So that's going to be a games. Look forward to
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New Orleans Saints agree to terms with QB Winston on one-year contract
"Yahoo Sports is Charles. Charles Robinson reports at Norrland's is finalizing a one year deal with Winston. The former buck coming off a five thousand one hundred nine yards season thirty plus touchdowns three interceptions and immediately eyebrows. Raised the idea that Winston would stay in the division. Go to the Saints. Backup drew brees. He enters the mix with Tatum Hill. Who IS SUPPOSED TO BE? And maybe still is the heir apparent To breeze so it just leads to a lot of unsolved mysteries in its own right greg your thoughts when you heard the news that Winston may be and quite possibly is headed to the saints I I wasn't shocked because I I what I did. This hashtag setup into your own comet with a big way. Why why you made your Greg sounding you often. I got it. I wasn't gonNA say anything but then mark reacted to it and I can't help myself but go ahead. I did this Saints Twitter Pot. Podcast just knew that way wolf as podcasts. Him into my buddy Adam and they were saying they were hearing. This was going to happen before the draft so they got sources on the inside and and they ended up being proven right and it makes all the sense in the world of your Jameis Winston and makes sense of. You're the saints too. I think you get a chance to get Jameis. Winston in the building for a year probably drew brees his last year. We haven't heard any financial terms the Jameis Winston deal you know was reported on before the Taste Hill extension Came out and the money that was involved. That extension came out. Part of me does wonder. Is this deal for absolute sure does did Winston know about that before he he came determines but either way he? He should do the deal. Because if he can somehow impress Sean Payton or if he can end up getting in the lineup and being as backup like Teddy Bridgewater What better place to possibly learn because damis Winstons still has a lot to learn but he also has a lot of talent a guy that throws for five thousand yards can do things in the NFL and like there's no better place to learn. Other than to undo. Breezy and Sean Payton.
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Saints cancel offseason program amid coronavirus concerns
"The New Orleans Saints have cancelled their offseason program because of the ongoing corona virus pandemic and inform players they will not be required to report the club headquarters until training camp whenever that may be saints general manager Mickey Loomis said coach Sean Payton notified players of the decision on Wednesday adding that the club will remain in regular communication with players between now and the start of camp Loomis added that the team would still conduct various meetings with players online but would not use virtual drills to conduct anything that would require physical exertion I'm Josh Rowntree
AP News Radio
Saints cancel offseason program amid coronavirus concerns
"The New Orleans Saints have cancelled their offseason program because of the ongoing corona virus pandemic and inform players they will not be required to report the club headquarters until training camp whenever that may be saints general manager Mickey Loomis said coach Sean Payton notified players of the decision on Wednesday adding that the club will remain in regular communication with players between now and the start of camp Loomis added that the team would still conduct various meetings with players online but would not use virtual drills to conduct anything that would require physical exertion I'm Josh Rowntree
AP News Radio
Saints cancel offseason program amid coronavirus concerns
"Ohio the New Orleans state's Saints have cancelled chase their young offseason is expected program to because be the of first the ongoing defensive corona player virus taken pandemic in Thursday's and inform NFL players draft they will not be required the six five to report two the club hundred headquarters sixty until five training pound camp defensive whenever end that projected may be to go to saints Washington general manager Mickey with the number Loomis two said pick coach Sean Payton his notified Buckeye players teammate of the decision Jeff Okuda on Wednesday considered adding the top that the club cornerback will remain in regular could go communication as high as three with players between Auburn's now and Derek the start of brown camp is the highest Loomis added rated defensive that the team linemen would still conduct various and Isaiah meetings Simmons with players from online Clemson but would graded not use tops virtual among drills linebackers to conduct anything I'm mark that would require Myers physical exertion I'm Josh Rowntree
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Sean Payton informs New Orleans Saints no offseason program this spring
"Sean Payton told players Wednesday will they will not have any type of offseason program this spring virtual or otherwise is the quote from Peyton. Take care of your families your health and be ready this summer completely wipes it out. He had A. He had a tweet with A. I believe it's a game of thrones ref of kind of mocking the setup of whether virtual meetings are like with all the players and coaching staff. I wonder if this GONNA be pains and influential Guy A domino or a lot of teams are like the stupid. Like I know what we're trying to do here and stay in touch with the players and start installing layer of what the twenty twenty game plan is but maybe we're better off just clearing the decks and waiting for everything to settle. I would add that there that does need to go through some channels in terms of the the league in the NFL. Pa and how they want that stuff to be handled on that came from our newsroom on some level. But secondly that. That's that's maybe more of a luxury for a team like the Saints. Where the coach? The quarterback in many of the players are embedded in know each other. Well that's not a luxury. A first year coach Matt Rules Approach things that way I can guarantee you wondered what rule does rule or any of these first year. Coach is really think a lot's going to be accomplished in this. I guess dating with players you've never met. I would think it would. You'd want to establish some I D of WHO? You are as a coach with as many players as you could. That would be my approach if I were first year coach. I was stunned to see this. Because you just don't see. Nfl coaches give up control like that that they're saying okay we could be. We could have you two hours a day for a month and a half. But we're going to say no we we're going to trust you to show up to camp and you just don't see them giving up control and this is a different time. Obviously I think New Orleans is one the hardest hit cities too. I think maybe that's a factor because a lot of the players live around there Sean. Payton had corona virus. Or maybe it's hitting him a little. There's a lot going on and to your point markets a veteran team. So it's not the same but I I can't remember coaches doing anything like this. I I'd be. I'd be Kinda surprising. Other teams took the approach. I mean he's not doing this if he thought it would hurt the team. You must not think they're you know something. Here's the next move though you do that. You say that. Then you create a trend around the league or other saying you know what the Saints Are. Smart. We're going to do the same thing. Then the saints secretly are meeting for two hours a day and they are getting that little bit of same said. That's good that's like two point three mark little a new pink pony operation. Perhaps in a way maybe
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Los Angeles Rams' Allen 1st NFL player to reveal positive COVID-19 test
"Rams Brian Allen becomes the first player to test positive for coronavirus he's there center I heard Jay Glazer's report Allen the first publicly known and if a player with a confirmed case of coronavirus New Orleans saints head coach Sean Payton was a versatile person in the NFL to test positive P. gray R. percolator Allen says that that the Allen she's made a purchase deposit code ninety three weeks ago did so again early last week first loss of sense of taste and smell to the point we could not even smell ammonia smelling salts Allen then came down with flu like symptoms he's played two years with the LA
Tolbert, Krueger and Brooks
Boston Celtics' Marcus Smart Tests Positive For Coronavirus
"That the NFL has its first coronavirus case Sean Payton the coaches since testing positive for it and the NBA is reporting more cases three members of the Lakers organization is tested positive don't know if it's players stay mobs coaches whatever but stories three members of the Lakers that's the positive workers have tested positive for carbon nineteen and Marcus smart making the right to make work smart about the Celtics he is reported to have have tested positive for the corona virus so once again the coronavirus pandemic the the over arching theme of our days even if we try to inject a little bit of sports into it can't get away from it as everyone is trying to come to grips with the global
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Saints coach Payton says he tested positive for coronavirus
"New Orleans saints head coach Sean Payton learned Thursday that he has tested positive for covert nineteen the corona virus the first employee of either an NFL team or the league to make such a diagnosis public Payton told ESPN that he came forward to motivate people to educate themselves about what they can do to help fight the pandemic Payton said he took the test Monday after he began to feel ill a day earlier but also said that he has not been admitted to a hospital and does not have a fever or cough the fifty six year old coach said that he has been resting comfortably at home where he is in self quarantine I'm Josh Rowntree
Pro Football Talk with Mike Florio
NFL explains why there was no pass interference called on play that eliminated Saints
"We didn't see a lot of Michael Thomas especially like over the middle those are usually when Sean Payton can game plan you to death and just find a match ups no album Camaro in the pass game really know Jared cook would like huge numbers so that tells me there is things being done to take away that short to intermediate pass game of the saints love and then as we saw for really the second playoffs in a row we were sitting there watching the game go and they can't really push the ball down the field they can't really back Minnesota off we accept with taste and health right we would see Minnesota DB sitting on everything I remember coach Dungy one point that they got a thought over their head I mean they're sitting on everything and it became a problem for
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Sean Payton comes clean on Saints' interest
"Fake story Out of New Orleans San Antonio Brown back on the field working out for the saints this morning. Warren's is working out a group of receivers with Brown. ABC has not played since week two in the NFL has made it clear that if any team signs the receiver Ab is likely headed to the commissioner's exempt list until L.. Is Investigation is completed the league making this work out. I mean. Obviously he's still an immensely talented player
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Where will Antonio Brown land?
"And Tonio Brown. I'm seeing a lot of different names. I theorized yesterday. Carolina could be interesting. They've got their lebian bell and Christian McCaffrey. They've got a defensive coach what they don't have with Cam who's not a great precision thrower. But he does throw a great deep ball is get them a big time home run threat. Do you think there's a place and it could happen? Very quickly. We're in Tonio Brown lands. I wanna make your podcast, which which is on overnight or whatever. And I'm worried that we're going to say something now, and he's going to be traded in the next two minutes. I'm going to try to give us a vague enough answer. So we can live online, Colin. I would say this don't just believe all the teams that are not how this works. There's going to be a surprise team. I love the Carolina fit. I actually think that's a really good one out of the conference another team. I would give you the New Orleans Saints. And you might be saying, oh, come on the saints have no money to spend. They've got all these guys. They've gotta take care. Mike thomas. There are ways to make it work. And if you think about what would Sean Payton has been about the last few years, it's making a splash going and getting the guy trading a first round pick for next year to get Marcus Davenport signing Dez Bryant, he denied it at the combine because his name was linked to it a little bit Sean say that we're not I wouldn't be shocked at the. The saints are making some phone calls right now. The question is can they get into Neo Brown for a second or third round pick? They don't have a first round pick.