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"sean edwards" Discussed on The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast

The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast

08:05 min | 6 months ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on The Ray & Dregs Hockey Podcast

"Bet it. And if Canada wins, I will happily happily lose my money there. Good for you. Well, we can't abort our normal competition. That's the National Football League. So abs, you want to drill down a little bit on Green Bay Philadelphia. I'm just not betting on Green Bay anymore. So I will go just flat Philadelphia at home. So I think the eagles are going to win this one and you want to get your bed in first abs before race starts teasing and twisting and or do you want to hear him? Well, I'm going to take just the straight under 46 and a half in this game. I think the eagles have come back down to earth a bit. I think you've got a proud team and the Green Bay Packers look a total with Aaron Rodgers and this Philly offensive 46 and a half. It might be, I might be kidding myself here, but I don't want to lay a touchdown with Philly and I don't know that I trust Green Bay to cover, so my options start to fall away and I'll just take under 46 and a half. That'll be my play. Well, you really Beacon of positivity there. So I'm going to I will tease again because last I checked me standing strikes. I think I'm still at the top of the heap, right? Yeah, I think what are you 6 and two? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, so I'm going to tease Green Bay or peace Philly down to a half. And I will take the under as well. So I believe that's 52 and a half now. Is it not out? 52 and a half. Yeah. So that will be my best. And I think winner winner chicken dinner. I think that's a winner. I think the total is going to fall around 48 49. So you're able to win and I still lose. So that's right. And you're right. I am a Beacon of positivity because the first two days of the World Cup, I was crushing it. I was doing really well. Also, I went to the leafs game Monday night where they, you know, I felt like they dominated the islanders. They fell behind, got really good odds on them at the intermission hammered the leafs. You know, I never bet on the leafs and they end up losing the game and over it. So I've not had a good week. So positive positivity, not my strong suit. Let's see if maybe I can do a little reverse psychology and get out of it. All right, buddy. Well, we'll send some good mojo your way for the weekend because it's going to be a fun one. And we'll check back with you again on Tuesday. Sharers fellas, ray enjoyed Germany, huh? Thanks, you bad app. All right, it is time for ask gray and Riggs anything and you can hit us up on our social channels if you choose that's Twitter that's Instagram. It's at ray and drags are on the website. Ray and dregs dot com. Ray, we've got something interesting here. Episode 18. And kind of exciting, you know? Like a merchandise. We've got ray and drag's time. And look, you know, we haven't reached the plateau yet where we would feel comfortable in trying to sell the merchants. I mean, who's kidding who? I'm not sure we could sell it. Who would buy it? So we're going to give it away. Let's give it away. Yeah. It's great. Sounds like shirts. Hats. We've tested the quality. We've got some good stuff. Who's kidding us? Here's the one thing people won't know is the logo has to get through the drager production line and that's a fair point. It's a pretty tight, pretty tight deal over at the dragger house, man. It can be from time to time. Well, you know what? I've got a 23 year old to 21 year old and style conscious, I think, is a good way to describe their taste. So you're going to pick your favorite question and will send the individual a shirt hat, whatever we've got. And then I'll pick one. How's that? Well, do it that way. Okay, sure. So you're asking, right? You're asking. And then we'll pick it because I'm wondering, yeah, no, no, hold on. I'll ask, but it looks as I peruse Instagram right now in the newest questions being submitted, Sean Edwards, buddy. Yes, don't I'll give him a shirt or I'll kick him in the shins, one of the two. Okay, okay, okay. Well, all right. Well, let's talk about Ryan B white from Instagram. Ryan's getting assured her at. Question, if you could have played any sport professionally other than hockey, what would it have been? And I know the answer to this. So I know what you are going to say. I would say I would say for most of my life, I would have been a second baseman for the Red Sox. That would have been, oh, I would have loved to have done that. Lately though, I think I'd rather be a pro golfer. I have never been more committed or bit by the bug than I am of late. Maybe it's just getting older and I'm like, jeez, those bases are four. I'm not going to run over there. But baseball's baseball has been my favorite sport. Most of my life. Okay. I'm not surprised by that because I thought you were going to say baseball. So I'm glad that you lumped them both in. I would say golf, only because I was a way better golfer as a younger guy. In my probably from about 20 to 20, maybe even late 20s. And I was constantly in the 70s and now I'm just not, I'm just not in the sub. I'm Justin. All right, Ryan gets here, rob gray is suggesting we go to the website question. This was from Robert, the website. Hi, thank you for doing this podcast. It's hard to get hockey talk in New York. Oh, we have a found in New York, right? Robert. Thanks for being a fan. Two part question for rate. One, why do kid lines find success? Is it because they're not deferring to vets on the ice and play their games? And then there's a second part to it. Do you like your chicken parm with a chicken pounded thin or left? Very good question. I think really different, so go ahead. Kid line succeed, I think, for a couple of reasons. He's right. They don't defer to veterans. They're more comfortable with the guys they're playing with that are all the same age. You're in the same stage or your career, you're trying to make a mark, another reason would be that you're generally, if they're playing three kids together, they're either mostly on a third or fourth line. So they're not playing the other team's top players. So you have a change to be a fact of. I think all those things really matter. And it's one of the reasons I think, you know, in New York, where he's from kako and la vernier and he played so well in the playoffs together. He felt really comfortable playing with each other. As for the chicken parm, now there's got to be a little meat to it. I don't want that thing flat as a shoe leather. I want a little, I don't want to pound it then no, no, I let the ratio of cheese to sauce. It's the whole deal. Yeah, yeah. Now, are there different versions of authentic chicken parm? We should have butcher grass on to talk about this. Because I've had different versions, right? And I don't know which one's authentic. I've had the grilled chicken parm. So a nice chicken breast. And then it's covered in cheese and the tomato sauce and everything that goes into it. It's a breaded chicken breast. If I'm having chicken salad, if I'm having chicken parm, I want it, I want a breaded, I want it, you know, you know. The grilled chicken parm knots, that doesn't get it done. It's a good meal. I'll still eat it. Do you have a noodle noodle preference? Is there a noodle preference? Is it linguine? Is it spaghetti? What is it? Probably spaghetti. Probably spaghetti. For me, I will say we did have the other day at home for my birthday, which is in August, but anyway, we had a pasta chef. Come to our house so you, he came and showed us how to make pasta for our family. So we were making it.

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing

Monocle 24: The Briefing

03:29 min | 8 months ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Monocle 24: The Briefing

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Cancelled

Cancelled

05:14 min | 11 months ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Cancelled

"Okay. Because he didn't sign a new deal with the nuts. It was an extension. Right. Do you guys feel any Kawhi 2019 vibes around this Kyrie trade cheers from Chile? Man, we've had Australia. Germany. Now Chile checking in? What happens when this happens when we do the show? The fun Fridays in the afternoon. That's right. Awesome. Kawhi, no, because people want to play. Yeah, I mean, there's a big difference, but I understand that we've heard all these connections, all these were waiting and thinking it's going to happen at any moment. And then the deal just never comes together. Right. I understand why people would be feeling kind of a similar way. But I think there's enough differences to where we can say, no, this isn't quite the same thing. Yeah, no. That was sleepless nights. A butt kicker Russ is an offensive initiator. That's why you got him. Yeah, but then his finishing at the rim dropped off. And so he lost that efficiency. And the turnovers and all that kind of stuff. Again, that's, I think at some point, that's what Russ used to be and he's going to have to transition into something else like Carmelo Anthony used to be a go to high post scorer who could just give the ball to when he would shoot over everybody and go for 35 any given night. Dwight Howard used to be a dominant player on both ends of the floor. You could just throw the ball up to the ceiling and he'd go up and slam it down. Eventually those things change and sooner rather than later Russell Westbrook is going to have to make those changes. I mean, here's the other thing too, right? How useful is Russell as an offensive initiator of people don't respect him from beyond 5 feet? Sure. Everybody just packs the paint and like, look at the offensive initiators this past playoffs, right? Like Steph Curry, Luka Dončić, to a lesser extent, Jason Tatum, even Marcus smart, like these guys are people that you still had to close out to. If it's Russ, you know, bringing the ball up, running picket rolls, everyone's ducking under packing the paint. Not great. No. And that hurts the value of other players on the planet. It's not even just a rust thing. That's everyone else is negatively impacted by that. Sean Edwards said you can kind of replace Caruso and KCP, but we killed the LeBron era when we traded 6 ten two way wing Kuzma for nothing. We won't be getting another one. I think they did undervalue

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

21:22 min | 1 year ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"When he's done, the person conducting the polygraph says that in his opinion, Eddie is telling the truth. Police don't have enough to charge him with anything. And back in New York, despite his unwillingness to speak with detectives, Joey also agrees to take a polygraph and he passes too, so no charges for him either. That same day, Timothy's case goes to a grand jury, and he's indicted on a second degree murder charge. But by now, Dennis has already started to build a really strong defense. Because Timothy's mother is certain that in January of 1986, Timothy was actually in a youth group home called saint cabrini, which is an hour away from Middletown. Timothy was apparently sent there because he was getting into some trouble. But he hadn't been arrested or anything back then, so we're not talking about a high security setup. I mean, still, the kids who stay there are monitored. And his lawyer realizes that this could be the answer to their prayers. He subpoenas the records from saint cabrini and sure enough, he sees that Timothy's placement there went from December 30th, 1985, through January 31st, 1986. Dennis is now totally convinced that Timothy's confession was bogus. But the records he has won't be enough to satisfy the court. Their general placement records, there's no documentation proving that Timothy was there when Sean was killed. So it's time to get the DA's office on board. Of course, prosecutors want more information. So they send an investigator of their own to the facility to dig deeper. The DA's investigator manages to get more detailed records that show not just placement, but hourly bed checks on the day of the murder. Dennis pours through the records as fast as he can, but in the meantime, a preliminary hearing is held, where police dispute the defense's claims that Timothy's confession was coerced. Detectives who testify say Timothy wasn't scared at all. He was totally calm when they spoke with him, and they were, too, because they didn't think that they were interviewing a suspect. But Dennis says that with a guy like Timothy, police wouldn't have had to be wildly aggressive to get him talking. He was very compliant, and it would have been easy to press his buttons. An article by police interrogation expert Richard a Leo in the journal of the American academy of psychiatry and the law says that people who are highly suggestible or compliant are more likely to falsely confess. Highly suggestible people tend to be unassertive and have higher levels of anxiety. And those in other personality traits can make them more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Timothy could fit the bill, but maybe that doesn't even matter. Maybe those group home records will be all they need to prove that he wasn't involved. According to Tristan Corden's reporting, the saint cabrini records state that all 43 youths were in their beds from the night of January 15th, 1986 through the next morning. They were checked on every hour from one to 9 a.m., and in that important time window of like four to 6 a.m., staff noted that everyone was asleep and the cottage was clean and quiet. But it might not be the solid piece of evidence the defense thinks it is. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. That's because a sank cabrini staff member who was on duty at the time testifies at the hearing, and according to detective sergeant Jason Jennings, the man admits that he had been caught sleeping on the job once before. And his supervisor told him if it ever happened again he'd be fired. So, as for the group home records being indisputable proof that Timothy was nowhere near Middletown, investigators have their doubts. But his lawyer doesn't agree, he says the attendance records placed Timothy at saint cabrini continuously through the entire month of January in 1986. So if prosecutors want to move ahead, they're going to need to show that the facility's records are wrong. Not just around the time that Sean was murdered, but a couple of days before that when Timothee said that Eddie called him at home to arrange the whole thing. The DA realizes his office probably won't be able to tear apart Timothy's alibi. But there's one more thing that he wants before he just dismisses the murder charge. He asks for a polygraph. Under most circumstances, a defense attorney is not going to urge a defendant to take a polygraph. But this is not most circumstances. Not only is Dennis convinced that a polygraph won't hurt them, he thinks it's going to be the thing that saves Timothy. So on Saturday, October 17th, Timothy is brought in from jail to a library in the DA's office. While he answers questions, his lawyer Dennis, Timothy's mom, the DA and the investigator wait in another room. There's some nervousness in the air. Even though the defense thinks this will go their way with the polygraphs. I mean, you can never be a 100% sure. But Timothy finishes up and right then and there, they find out he passed. That Monday, after 12 days in Orange County jail, Timothy walks out a free man. The DA tells the public that at this point there is no indication that Sean was murdered because he was involved with drugs in some way, so police are back to square one. Detective Bernstein wants to keep going, maybe track down other group home employees, formally interview them, even polygraph them. But the chief tells him it's time to move on, the charge was dismissed, that's it. Cynthia tries to wrap her head around the latest development. I mean, in less than two weeks, there went from being three people potentially facing charges for her son's murder to none. It is a roller coaster ride that she never wanted to get on in the first place. And as much as the Edwards family has been trying to move forward, it's almost impossible to do while they're still being bombarded with rumors. Especially because many of the people who share info have an ulterior motive. Like, if someone is mad at a neighbor, they'll tell Cynthia the neighbor might have had something to do with Sean's murder, hoping that she'll pass it along to police. This goes on for years, and in October of 1999, that's when a new lead comes in. A man who just retired from the Middletown state hospital tells police that one of the psychiatric patients, a guy named William, used to threaten to kill staff members, quote, like he killed Sean Edwards. Because of HIPAA laws, the man hadn't been able to come forward when he was an active employee. But he once policed to know about it now. Investigators subpoenaed the hospital records, and when they managed to gather everything a few months later, detective Jerry misch goes through the hundreds of pages, at least ten thick binders. All of it dealing with staff's daily interactions with William. But there is nothing in the records implicating him in anything. And William was actually staying in the hospital at the time of the murder. He was occasionally allowed to leave on a day pass, but he couldn't just come and go as he pleased. He wouldn't have been able to wander around at 5 36 a.m.. And detective misch says there's nothing indicating William was ever missing from the hospital. So, that's it for that lead. But by now, technology has advanced considerably since Sean was killed. So in March of 2000, Middletown detectives meet with the state police forensics team for a case review. And here's where things get messy. For one thing, we don't know who handled or packaged the various pieces of evidence because sergeant Jennings told us that he couldn't find records detailing the chain of custody. A second issue is, at least some of the evidence, including Sean's bloody clothing, was preserved in plastic. According to a forensic scientist and crime scene expert, George skiro, any evidence that's damp or wet needs to be air dried completely and then packaged in unused dry paper containers. If it's left in plastic for more than a couple of hours, the evidence can be altered or destroyed because fungus or mold can start to grow. And listen, it's not like this was unknown science back then. A law enforcement investigations guide that was publicly released by the army in late 1985 says that damp garments should never be put in plastic bags because there's almost always rapid biological change. But I don't know how readily available this information was back then, especially to smaller departments. And I don't know what the common day to today practices were. But based on the condition of Shawn's evidence, the forensic pathologist tells Middletown that it's not clear if their lab will be able to get any DNA results. Although, it does seem like the lab was able to pull something. There was apparently a small sample of unidentified DNA found on a piece of evidence, but we don't have any details about that. And that's because of the third issue. We don't know the results of a lot of lab testing that was conducted because those records also can't be located. Last we heard Middletown was waiting on state police to get back to them with copies of the results, and they were also in the process of digitizing everything that they do have in Sean's case file, which is at least four huge boxes of records. So maybe they have these documents and just weren't able to find them when we spoke with them. I don't know why they aren't digitized or why these important facts aren't more diligently passed down or recorded in some other way is a more systematic problem that I honestly see across a lot of departments. At any rate, during that case review in 2000, the forensic pathologist shares some insight that bolsters the position many of the detectives have already taken, which is that considering Sean's athletic abilities, there was probably more than one assailant. She also tells them it might be worth it to get a blood stained pattern expert to look over the crime scene photos, which they do. That expert says it looks like Sean was standing up when he was stabbed based on the cast off blood stains on the wall behind him. Now I'm sure you guys know this but cast off blood is droplets that are thrown or transmitted onto a surface from a moving source of blood. So a bleeding victim or a bloody weapon being swung around. Now, with the evidence, it seems like all is not lost, because in 2002, after hearing about a new technique that uses gold dust to get fingerprints off clothing, detective mish starts making plans to submit Sean's football jacket for testing. Though it's hard to get fingerprints off fabric at the time, only two agencies were doing this. The U.S. Secret Service and the Royal Canadian mounted police. It takes almost a year to get it set up, but in March of 2003, Secret Service performed the test. But after all of the work that went into making it happen, police are disappointed when it yields nothing. But that same year, police get a tip that once again brings their attention back to Joey. This episode is made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. 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So it's important to invest time and care into keeping your mind healthy. Better help is online therapy that offers video phone and even live chat only therapy session. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in person therapy, and it's available worldwide. Better help will assess your needs and the can match you with your own accredited therapist in under 48 hours. Visit better help dot com slash crime junkie and join the over 2 million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at better help dot com slash crime junkie. That's better HELP dot com slash crime junkie. A confidential informant says that the knife used in the Sean Edwards homicide is in a house that Joey's mom owned before she passed away. Specifically, in an air duct in the basement. And listen, if you're like me, you're like, hold up. I thought we already found the knife handle at the scene, wouldn't that have been the murder weapon? But police were never able to definitively conclude that anything found at the crime scene was used as a weapon. So this lead could be huge, especially because some investigators are still convinced that Joey has a hand in this somewhere somehow. So the new owner of the house agrees to let police have access to the basement. Feeling hopeful, officers go down there. They open up the air duct, and they find dust. Another dead end. Then, in 2007, detective mesh interviews someone about Sean, who says that that whole rumor about Sean stealing cocaine from Nelson was a garbled version of telephone. He says that he himself was actually the one who stole the cocaine. From Nelson's drug business partner. It's just one of the many bizarre turns this investigation has taken in the 36 years since Sean's murder. But it honestly makes sense and confirms what everyone has been saying all along that Sean had no involvement in drugs whatsoever. For the Edwards family, it has been decades of questions and grief and even fear because at times the family would get harassing phone calls where the caller would tell them that killers got the wrong sibling, and it should have been one of them who got murdered. They never figured out who was calling, or if the calls were really connected to Sean or just a terrible hoax. They tapered off and eventually stopped, so Cynthia thinks it was someone just screwing with their heads. Although why someone would take the time to do that is just beyond me. But get this, Cynthia had a notebook where she'd write down all of the rumors and stuff people told her about Sean. And at some point, she says someone broke in through the back door of her house, and they actually stole that out of her filing cabinet. And that's the only thing they stole. I don't know if she reported it because Cynthia and Sean's sister Kimberly said that over time, they really lost faith that police cared to help them. They felt like they were fighting an uphill battle alone. And they've had bad experiences with several different investigators. Police say that they've spent thousands of hours trying to get to the bottom of Sean's murder and doing everything they can to catch whoever's responsible. Behind the scenes, they tell us that the investigation is still active. It's cycled through multiple detectives as people have retired, including almost everyone Nina interviewed. The newest investigator, a man named Andrew Rosen says that the investigation has taken two different directions that police are now focusing on. One is still drug related, whether Sean himself was involved in drugs, or if he was just friendly with people in the game, police aren't sure. The other direction is that Sean found out about something that someone didn't want him to know. Exactly what that is, we don't know. All detective Rosen would say is that it's related to some sort of illegal activity. Again, not that Shawn was necessarily involved in it himself, but he might have known about it. Maybe whoever did this thought he was going to tell people something, which if you remember, is kind of what people have been telling Kimberly for years, and it could help explain why Sean was afraid in the time leading up to his death why he was carrying around a weapon. There was still a lot of different theories among retired and active cops. Some think Sean's murder was planned from the beginning, others think it started as a fight and then escalated. To Cynthia, the brutality of the attack makes her think it was deliberate. Someone wanted her son to die. And with advancements in technology, especially forensic genealogy, police say they're optimistic that they'll be able to learn more from the evidence they do have. In fact, detective Rosen says that there are plans in the works for more lab testing. Police have also developed potential new suspects, some of whom were not on the radar during the early investigation. They're being pretty tight lipped when it comes to naming them or discussing them at length. But they did say that several of these people are connected in some way, either loosely like they know each other or more directly, like they might have worked together to kill Sean. As far as older suspects and persons of interest, we tried to track down Timothy fair-weather, but we couldn't find any contact for him, but Nina managed to reach his mother, who said that he wouldn't be interested in speaking with us. None of the phone numbers that we found for Eddie Devlin worked, and other people had passed away, including Joey salgado, John fig Lucy, mister figg, and Nelson. Actually, it looks like Nelson was deported at some point and police heard that he was later killed in Colombia. The good news about some of the newer suspects is they're still alive, which means that if they are responsible, they can be held accountable for murdering a child who is still so missed so many years later. To this day, Kimberly has such a clear picture of Sean. The way he looked the last time she saw him alive, lounging on the couch, happy that big grin on his face, but she's also haunted by another memory. Sean in a casket at his funeral, just a few days after that. Cynthia doesn't understand how this could happen, and the grief that she carries in her heart is always there. And it has been from the moment that she learned her son had been killed. She told us, quote, I didn't let them roam the streets. They had a curfew to get home before dark. He's the last kid I ever thought that would happen to. End quote. Let's help this family get some small measure of comfort. Someone out there knows who is responsible for Sean's murder. So if you have any information about this case, please call the Middletown police at 8 four 5 three four three three one 5

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

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Buy the bag that gives back. Visit hill's pet dot com slash podcast to learn more that's hills, pet, dot com slash podcast. On Wednesday, October 7th, 1992, detective Barry Bernstein gets a call from his partner who has another lead for them to follow. An informant had told police about a guy named Timothy fair-weather, who might know who killed Sean. Timothy's family lives in Middletown, and he was 15 at the time, so it's not a stretch to think that he might know something. He's 22 years old when police approach him at his home, and he agrees to speak with them right away. Detective Bernstein says he doesn't even ask what it's about. He just grabbed a jacket and off they go to the station. When they're settled in the detective asked him if he knows why he's there. And he says he doesn't. So investigators tell him that they think he might have Intel about Sean's murder. Timothy puts his head down, and he says he wants to ask them a question. If he held Sean Edwards while his friends killed him, could he get in trouble? Detectives can not believe what they're hearing. They go out in the hall for a minute to just collect themselves because this is it. This is the break that they've been waiting for for more than 6 long years and it's finally happening. Back in the interview room, they asked Timothy to tell them everything. Starting with the names of the friends that he was with. He says there were two of them. Joey salgado and Eddie Devlin. According to times Harold record reporter, Tristan Corden, Timothy says Eddie called him at home a couple of days before the murder and told him that he needed help beating someone up because the person had, quote, ripped off a cocaine dealer. Now based on what investigators told us, Nelson is the dealer they're talking about. So in the early morning on Thursday, January 16th, 1986, Timothy met up with Joey and Eddie behind Middletown high school. Timothy says that he thought there was going to be a gang fight, but only Shawn showed up. Joey and Shawn got into an argument and Joey pushed him, so Sean ran. And before Joey and Eddie took off after him, Joey told Timothy to run around the other side of the school and cut him off. By the time Timothy caught up with them, Joey and Eddie had shone on his needs and they were kicking and punching him. So Timothy started doing the same. And then he held Sean down while Joey pulled out a knife and quote gutted him. That very afternoon detectives bring Timothy to Middletown high school. They want him to show them exactly what happened. And he's right in the ballpark. I mean, he's not totally spot on, but he seems to know stuff that only someone who was really there could know. And I mean, in their minds, listen, this happened years ago, maybe he forgot some details. Plus, it was dark when Sean was killed. I mean, to them, bottom line, this kid is confessing. Back at the station, Timothy draws a map and a diagram of what he says happened. He signed a statement and even writes an apology to Sean's parents, which says quote, dear parents, it was supposed to be a fight. I didn't do it. I am sorry. Timothy is charged with second degree murder and sent to jail without bail. And on Friday, when he appears in court with his lawyer, Dennis McCormick, Cynthia finally gets her first real look at one of her son's alleged killers. A short, stocky guy with longish, dirty blond hair, and Apache beard and mustache. She can feel rage, bubble up inside of her. Time hasn't done anything to heal her wounds. It's like it just happened yesterday. At least now she has a focus for all of her pain in her anger. It's Timothy's face she's focused on. But the thing is, it's not a face she recognizes. She's never even heard the name Timothy fair-weather. And her son certainly never mentioned him before. So as much of a relief as it is to see someone being held accountable for Sean's murder, there's also disappointment because the prosecutor announces that sends Timothy was only 15 at the time, he's going to be tried as a juvenile offender, so he's facing a maximum of 9 years to life in prison rather than the 25 to life that he'd be facing as an adult. After court, the lawyer Dennis has a chance to sit down with Timothy in jail. His lawyer's main concern is the confession. Actually, it's pretty much his only concern, because apparently there's no other evidence linking Timothy to the crime. So the first thing he asked him is what exactly did you tell police? Timothy doesn't remember much about their interview. But he's clear on one major point. He says that he didn't have anything to do with Sean's murder. He says he only confessed because he thought if he told police what they wanted to hear, he'd get out of there. And it turns out Timothy didn't give detectives much at all in terms of factual details. Like they said that Timothy told them things that only someone who was there could know, but Timothee's lawyer Dennis says that they can't say what those specific things actually are. Plus, the statement that he signed is just one page long. It's more of a summary than an in depth verbatim account of what was said. And there's also nothing laying out how the statements came to be. For instance, Dennis doesn't know if Timothy brought up Joey and Eddie without any prompting or if detectives like ask them. Are these the two specific guys involved and then he just agreed. Detective Bernstein told us that it was Timothy, who offered up the names. He says police never mention Joey or Eddie until after Timothy brought them up. Now, mind you, wallow, this is happening Eddie and Joey haven't been charged with anything in relation to Sean's murder. And detectives are actually busy tracking them down. Now in Joey's case it's easy, he's still in prison for the robbery, but he won't talk to police and he basically tells them to go F off when they come calling. Eddie, meanwhile, had spent three years in prison for a motel robbery, and not long after he got out, he moved down to Florida where his parents lived. So the day after Timothy's confession, police are on a plane. Detective Nicholas derosa touches base with the local sheriff in Florida and learns that Eddie, who's now 25 at this point, is working as a mechanic at a Chevy dealership. When he walks into the garage, Eddie turns

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

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35:18 min | 1 year ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"To report that someone is laying on the ground by a lower level entranceway. And the person might be drunk. Now these quote unquote down and out calls are pretty common and not usually urgent. But it is 8 below zero, and in weather like this, a person could freeze to death. So officer mish in a rookie he's training head right over. When they pull up to the school a few minutes later, they see the custodian waving them over to a side door off a building that houses the pool in gin. And they can just make out someone a man flat on his back in the doorway. But it's still dark out and according to times Herald record reporters Billy house and Lance Oliver, vandals had smashed out the light over the gym doorways ages ago. So officer misch doesn't get a good look at him until he's standing over the man with his flashlight, and that's when he realizes the victim is a lot younger than he first thought. He's a teenager and only about 5 one maybe a 110 pounds. And this kid is not dressed for the weather at all. No gloves, no heavy coat just sweat pants, a hoodie, and a light windbreaker football jacket. But despite the cold, he's still warm, an officer misch thinks he feels a faint pulse. He immediately radios for an ambulance, but he sees a lot of blood around the teenager's stomach. So he lifts up his shirt to get a better look. And right away, it is clear. This is no simple down and out call. The young man on the ground had been stabbed many times to the point that his stomach was actually opened up. The officer can also see what looks like a big gash on the victim's head, even though he's wearing a do rag. And he notices something interesting. Next to the boy is a pile of what looks like spit. I mean, it's not even frozen, so all signs point to this like just happening. The ambulance gets there a couple of minutes later, but it's too late. Whoever their victim is, he's gone, and police have a homicide to investigate. Officer misch radios for detectives and in the meantime, state police investigators who heard the broadcast start showing up. They do this because they have more resources than smaller departments like Middletown, so they process major crime scenes in the area. And there's plenty to work with here because the entrance way is littered with potential clues. I mean, there's blood everywhere on the wall behind the victim on a big rock near his body in a little trail further down the side of the school. There's also chewed gum and cigarette butts. Though remember, it is 1986, so lots of schools at this time let students smoke on campus, so it's not a weird thing to find. But police collect all of it anyway. And as the sun comes up, they realize the crime scene is larger than they thought, with blood and evidence spread across the lower level school grounds, and this loop of road, which kind of like is a circular driveway that's next to the gym. And in the center of that loop is a grassy island with a railing around it. And on one side of the island, the railing is spotted with blood. And near the other side, police find a knife handle. Even though newspaper articles back then say it was a knife, everyone Nina interviewed today says it was just the handle. And another thing to note is that throughout the grass there is blood and pieces of broken glass. So it's obvious to police, this horrific attack didn't happen all at once, or even in one place, and probably not even at the hands of one perpetrator, considering the brutality. It seems like there was a fight that drifted over some distance, and even a chase, too. In fact, they find blood more than 200 feet away from the victim's body. A small pool of it on a path near another side door that leads to a music room. Detectives wonder if the victim may be stopped there for a minute and bled out. Maybe he was trying to hide or thought he had outpaced whoever was chasing him. And listen, I know this is hard to picture without seeing it, so we actually put together a Google Earth map of the school with some photos, which you can find on our blog post. There have been a lot of renovations since the 1980s with the area is still somewhat recognizable, and you can really get a better sense of what I'm talking about. Anyway, police search nearby storm drains, starting close to the school and working their way into surrounding neighborhoods, hoping to find the blade to go with the knife handle that they found, or really any weapon that might have been used. They also start knocking on doors, asking residents if they saw or heard anything strange. Meanwhile, though, kids have actually started to arrive for school. And I was a little shocked by that, like someone is murdered on the campus and you don't even like close down for the day, but I assume it just all happened so fast. I do know at some point the district did close the school, but I don't know if it was just for a couple of hours or what, because the students were definitely there throughout the day. That article by Lance Oliver and Billy House says that they were actually watching from the windows as police collected evidence early that morning. And mind you, the victim is still laying on the ground. He hasn't even been taken away by the medical examiner yet. And police still don't know who he is. But since he seems to be about high school age and he was found at the high school, a sergeant figures at his best chance at a quick ID is to go inside and look through yearbooks. Now, it's a good idea, but it actually doesn't help. Please then try having a few staff members ID this kid, but they don't recognize him either. So by 9 a.m., still unidentified, he is brought to the hospital morgue. But they don't stay totally in the dark about who he is, because there is a clue about his identity that football jacket he's wearing. It's a blue and white 1984 Middletown junior high school team jacket, with the name Sean embroidered on it. Police have a connection to that football team. Another sergeant is an assistant coach. He's off duty so they call him at home and he tells them yes, there is a Sean on the team. Sean Edwards, who plays running back and linebacker, and he's not a high school student, that's why they've had no luck. He's an 8th grade. Sure enough, a quick check of attendance records at the junior high prove that Shawn never showed up that morning. And the coach slash sergeant officially identifies him around 1115 a.m.. Investigators finished processing the crime scene by lunchtime. The blood is washed away with a fire hose, and students gather by the Jim door searching the nearby grass and snow for any evidence that the cops might have missed. And that's when, over at the warehouse where she works, Cynthia's supervisor calls her into his office and tells her that police need to speak with her right away. Since her sister drove them to work, she borrows a friend's car and rushes home. And that fear that has been building inside of her since the moment she saw that empty couch only grows stronger. Her son is missing and police won't tell her what's going on over the phone. Detectives meet her at home, and they bring her all the way to the station, and that's where they break the news. Her youngest child, her baby, is dead. Not only that, but he's the victim of a cold blooded murder. And during the autopsy that was done that day, investigators find out just how cold blooded it really was. Middletown detective Nicholas derosa told us that he's seen hundreds of autopsies, but never anything like this. Sean had been disemboweled. There were at least 15 stab and slash wounds to his back and stomach. But the stab wounds aren't even the worst of it. He might have actually survived those. It was the blow to the head that killed them. Something the detective describes as beyond blunt force trauma. I mean, his skull is in pieces. Police theorized that the damage could have been done with a baseball bat or a metal pipe, or maybe steel toed boots. There's also a bloody rock that was found at the scene and broken glass, although there were no glass fragments found in Sean's skull. The Orange County coroner estimates that Sean had been dead for maybe an hour when his body was found by the custodian around 6 10 a.m.. Based on officer mischief's recollections, it seems like it could be less time than that, but it's impossible to piece together an accurate timeline of those hours leading up to the murder. Police think that Sean left his house sometime around 11 p.m., but they don't know what he was doing for the 7 or so hours that he was MIA, or where he was doing it. I mean, there were only a handful of spots even open that late in Middletown in the 1980s. A couple of diners, convenience stores, and police can't play Sean at any of them. They also don't know how Sean even got to the school. He didn't ride his bike, which was still at home, and he's 14, so not only does he not have a car, none of his friends do either. But everyone, cops, family, Friends, agree on one thing. He didn't walk. The high school is almost two miles from the Edwards home. It would have been like 45 minutes on foot. Now one thing police knew from just living in the area is that lots of teenagers were taking cabs around Middletown, and they knew that Sean did too. So detectives were questioning drivers from two local companies, but they all say that they don't know anything about him taking a taxi that night. But to cab drivers who asked not to be identified, tell reporters Lance Oliver and Billy house that they heard Sean did take a cab Wednesday to a shopping Plaza near the high school that has a movie theater. And at first, listen, I'm like, okay, well, if the cab driver is lying, maybe he's involved. But this is why I have a podcast and not a badge because it turns out it was actually one of Sean's brothers who called the cab to the shopping Plaza. He picked up some food and came right back to the house. Plus, detective learned something interesting when they speak with one of Sean's neighbors. An elderly woman who lives a couple of houses down. This episode was made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. I'm using the sleep IQ data that I'm given from my bed to continually dial it in even more. 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So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. Her adult son has a medical condition that requires constant care and because of that, she's awake most nights, and she tells police that she definitely would have heard a car pull up outside of Sean's house, but she didn't hear a thing that night. So if he did catch a ride, he must have gone down the block or something to meet up with the driver. But no one knows who that driver might be. Because no one knows who Sean was with that night. He had a few crushes, but there was no girlfriend in the picture, so nothing to pursue on that end, and all his friends say that they weren't with him and they didn't see or hear from him. Sean's family figures that if anyone knows what's going on, it's his friend Billy. But Billy says that he doesn't know what happened or where Sean might have been. He even takes a polygraph which he passes. Through the rumor mill, police hear that there might have been a party, but when they track down people who were there, no one had seen Sean, and most of them don't even know who he is. But here's the thing, I mean, Sean had to have been somewhere, right? The weird thing is, police did a premise check at the high school between four ten and four 20 a.m.. It was part of their regular routine and apparently at that time there was nothing out of the ordinary. Now to be fair, I don't know how thorough that check was like if the officer went around the whole school, maybe just pulled up to the main entrance or what? But it's hard to believe that Sean or anyone would just be hanging around outside the school for hours. Again, in the freezing cold, and by the way, Sean hated the cold. Why would he leave the house in the dead of winter with just a sweatshirt in a lightweight nylon windbreaker? But there is something interesting about that windbreaker. His sister says that Shawn was already wearing it while he was on the couch watching the movie. So even though his mom told him he couldn't go out, something about that makes me think that maybe he was planning to. Although if he was, it doesn't seem like he was planning to be out long. But even why he went out is a mystery to this very day. And the true key to unlocking it could be the phone call that Sean got just before he sneaked out. In my mind, someone lured him out of the house, bind the caller and maybe you've got your guy. And that's what makes something detective derosa told us so heartbreaking. Because investigators discuss getting what's known as a phone dump. But for some reason, it doesn't happen. Detective Derozan told us, quote, for $500, you contact the phone company. And they'll give you the last 24 hours of phone calls that came in and went out of that house. They wanted us to do some more work first, and that would have been fine. We were going to continue working, but in the meantime, you have 24 hours to capture this. After that, it's gone. End quote. But you see, that phone dump for whatever reason never happened. Detective derosa says in his opinion, he thinks it didn't happen for financial reasons. Whoever was in charge of making those decisions didn't want to spend the money. Middletown detective sergeant Jason Jennings confirmed that no phone dump was done back then. But he says he doesn't know why. Again, that guy rob that Cynthia heard Shawn mentioned on the phone might be a dead end. She doesn't remember him hanging out with anyone by that name. So without the phone records to help them narrow their focus, police try to look for someone who may be headed out for Sean. But they can't find anyone. I mean, this kid had no enemies. He was well liked, kind of a class clown friendly and charismatic. No one knows why someone would want to hurt him, let alone kill him. But something was bothering him because several of his friends tell detectives that over the past couple of months, Shawn had started carrying kitchen or hunting knives around with him for protection, and he was saying that his life was in danger. But none of his friends know why he felt that way. And this is literally a crime junkie life rule that if, again, you have a secret, something like this, something big that you fear you have to tell someone. And honestly, I have to believe he did. It is unreal for me to think that he was telling this to people and carrying around weapons and nobody had any idea why? I just think people to this day haven't come forward to give information. Meanwhile, without much solid info to go on, rumors begin flying. And lots of these rumors involve allegations that Sean was selling drugs. Carl Dubois, another detective on the case, says drug involvement often comes up as an early theory when a homicide involves young people. Even though in Sean's case, there's really nothing pointing to it besides the rumors. Police didn't find any drug paraphernalia at the scene, and Shawn's name had never come across any officer's deaths because he had never been in trouble with the law. I mean, he had never been in trouble period. His sister says that he was still very much a kid. Even as he was starting to grow up, like one minute, he'd be playing with his toy trucks and the next minute he'd be out in the football field with his teammates. His sister Kimberly told us, quote, he was the best of all 5 of us. He was the most gentlest one. The most happiest one. The one that listened to everything mom said. That was the only night that he disobeyed mom in his life. One time, and that one time cost him his life. According to Lance Oliver's reporting, more than a dozen friends and classmates who spoke with reporters are adamant that Sean did not use or sell drugs. And when his blood tests came back, there were no traces of anything in his system. But one rumor in particular is super persistent. Word around town is that Sean had ripped off a Colombian drug dealer named Nelson, and the rumor was that Nelson killed him in retaliation. Now, investigators say that Nelson is kind of, quote unquote, nerdy. So if Sean did owe him money or stole drugs from him, he'd get others to do his dirty work for him. And from what police are hearing, those others might include two guys who were right down the street from the high school around the time Sean was murdered. 18 year old Eddie Devlin and 17 year old Joseph salgado, who also goes by Jose, but lots of people just call him Joey. Eddie and Joey were at a nearby convenience store with another friend. One of their girlfriends works overnight Sarah's a cashier and apparently they would just go hang out for hours. I'm not sure if Eddie had a criminal history by then, but Joey does. Based on court records, he had gotten in trouble as a juvenile. For something to do with tombstones and burning the American flag. But police say he also has a reputation for being violent. And he and Nelson definitely know one another. Detectives question Eddie and Joey a couple of times, but they can't connect the dots to shine. And the girlfriend who works at the store tells police that Eddie and Joey were there all night. They didn't leave. To Sean's heartbroken family, honestly, all of this drug gossip is just salt in the wound. They don't believe the stories for a minute. And for all the extra grief that the rumors bring, none of them have panned out by the time he's laid to rest on Monday, January 20th. According to Billy house's reporting, a 150 friends and relatives gather to say goodbye on that cold and rainy afternoon. Inside the Middletown's second baptist church, the pastor implores everyone to have faith and tells them that no matter what there's a higher court waiting for whoever killed Sean. Outside of the church, detectives are keeping track of people coming and going. A frustrated lieutenant tells the time Harold record that police haven't ruled out anything, because how can they rule something out if they don't have anything solid to begin with? But behind the scenes, they have started to develop some more plausible theories and suspects, which takes the investigation in drastically different directions. And one of those directions is very close to home. Sean's dad, Melvin. When Cynthia called Melvin that night, he was supposed to drive around looking for Sean. But instead, he apparently went to have coffee at a diner about a half mile from the high school. He stayed there for a while, and then possibly checked a couple of places. Detective derosa says some investigators thought that Melvin did find Sean, and that he was so angry about his son sneaking out. He killed him. Now I don't know how close Melvin is with his kids at this point. Kimberly says Cynthia was really a single mother. To some extent, even before she and Melvin separated in 1983. So it doesn't sound like he was very involved in a day to today sense. But whatever faults he may have had as a parent, his family says that he was never violent, and they don't think that he has anything to do with this. Plus, Melvin is in his mid 40s. He's short and heavy set. Kimberly says that he was also a heavy smoker and Shawn was young and athletic. Everyone says he ran like the wind, so it's hard to picture his father being able to catch up with him, even if he wanted to. He also didn't seem angry that night, and he's honestly grief stricken after Shawn's death. But a state police investigator assigned to work with Middletown PD really latches onto this idea. Melvin's boots are even collected and sent out for lab testing with the rest of the evidence found at the scene. When Melvin is questioned, he insists he had nothing to do with this. And on January 28th, he agrees to take a polygraph. But the results are not great. Even though he doesn't outright fail, the person conducting the polygraph says he doesn't think Melvin is telling the truth when he denies guilty knowledge of the crime. And a woman named Betty who he's been dating tells detectives that she's worried about him, because he's acting really odd. Paranoid and convinced that police are following him everywhere, which like they probably were. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to think that. Although he's hardly the only focus of the investigation. Police are being inundated with tips from the community and playing what seems like an endless, aggravating game of telephone that goes nowhere. Everyone they interview heard something from someone who heard it from someone else and tracking all of these rumors to their source keeps them running in circles. But at the tail end of January, a lead comes in that actually seems legit. That's when one of Shawn's classmates, a girl that he was friendly with, gets an anonymous death threat in the mail. This episode was made possible by hills, pet nutrition, hills, science, diet, nutrition, provides precise nutrition that supports healthy skin coat and stool. And you guys, they have this amazing program called the hills food shelter and love program. It provides science led nutrition for dogs and cats in participating shelters, the goal of the program is simple to provide dogs and cats with nutrition that will help make them healthy, happy, and ready to join their forever home. So along with expert care from shelter staff and volunteers, hills pet food can play a vital role in the ability of shelters to help pets find their forever homes. And when people adopt a shelter pet, they provide that pet with another chance at finding love. I love that so much. 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It's much more affordable than in person therapy, and it's available worldwide. Better help will assess your needs and the can match you with your own accredited therapist in under 48 hours. Visit better help dot com slash crime junkie and join the over 2 million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at better help dot com slash crime junkie that's better HELP dot com slash crime junkie. According to reporter Billy house, the note warned the girl not to talk about the murder. And get this, there's what looks like dried blood on this note. And it spelled out with letters cut from newspapers and magazines. You know, like a classic ransom style note. The girl's mom is understandably terrified and hides her daughter somewhere in New Jersey. But sergeant Jennings says that when police delve into the threat, they find out that the person behind it is actually the girl who received it. She admits that she sent it to herself. Police don't have time to even dwell on this red herring. Because another promising lead comes in, from multiple people, a teenage boy in a neighboring school district has been going around bragging to his friends that he was the one who killed Sean. Detectives swoop in to interrogate him, but he says he didn't really kill Shawn. He was just trying to look tough and quote just having a little fun. He passes a polygraph and his parents say that he was home with them all night. So police are pretty confident that he was just bluffing, making some horrible hoax. And it's on to the next lead. This time from a self proclaimed psychic, one of several who have reached out. She says that she was reading the local newspaper when a premonition hit her. Shawn's killer is the man in a photo on page 17. She says, his eyes give him away. And detectives actually check him out. I mean, at this point, why not? But once again, it ends up being nothing. Investigators pull attendance records from the high school. If students are involved, they might not have shown up for class later that day. We're not sure how many kids were there on Thursday, January 16th because of how chaotic it was, but the next day, Friday, January 17th, 311 students were either absent or late, mostly absent. Based on enrollment, that's nearly one in 5. Too many to actually draw any conclusions from. Nothing really happens then until late in February when a new lead emerges. And investigators think this one might have some merit. A tipster says that they saw a 1975 gray Chevrolet Camaro idling in a park about a block and a half from Sean's house between 11 p.m. and midnight on January 15th. Right around the time they think he snuck out. Not only that, apparently the car matches the description of a car seen by another person, hours later between 5 and 6 a.m., parked right near the high school. And this car is easy to spot because it has custom license plates that say mister figg. So on Friday, February 21st, police issue an all points bulletin for this car, along with a press release. But in a bizarre twist, they publicly walk it back a couple of days later. After a 34 year old man named John fig Lucy figures out that they're talking about his car. John tells reporter Lance Oliver that he only learned police were looking for the Camaro when his wife read about the license plate description in the times Harold record. And when he finds out he is livid, he says he doesn't know anything about the murder, that he just went to speak with police after seeing the newspaper and it was the first time that they had talked to him about Sean's case. In fact, he says he didn't even buy the car until a couple of weeks after Sean was killed. Now, there are a couple of conflicting accounts when it comes to this car. According to the times Herald record, a guy named Chris used to own the Camaro, and Chris told reporters that he had recently sold it to a man who offered to pay in cash, but Chris couldn't remember the buyer's name or exactly when he sold it to him. John, meanwhile, told the newspaper that he had gotten the car on January 28th, and the license plates a couple of weeks after that. He also says that police told him that they didn't give reporters the information about the car, and they aren't responsible for what the newspaper prince. We got some different info from sergeant Jennings. Now he says that John told police he bought the car on January 25th. And when detectives interviewed the person who sold it to him, who is apparently a woman, not a guy named Chris, she kind of corroborated the date of sale. Not to the day exactly, but that time period. She also says that the car wasn't running when John bought it, which seems to be backed up by another person, a guy who's been fixing the car for John. That guy told police that the car was up on Jack stands without a transmission until at least January 20th. And that it was at his own house for a couple of weeks before that. And listen, if this mishmash of conflicting dates and stories wasn't confusing enough, after all this crap hits the fan, police tell a local radio station that the mister fig car does not factor into Sean's murder after all, but they're still looking for similar cars. Now, we know that there was some back and forth between local and state police about this. It sounds like the information wasn't supposed to ever even be released. And the local department heads are trying to distance themselves from it. But despite what investigators are telling the public and John, they are absolutely still looking at him. Because police consider him to be a major player in the local drug scene. Detective Barry Bernstein told us, quote, we believed at one time that Sean might have been a dealer for him, that he may have crossed fig and either fig had him killed or killed him himself. But for all these rumors that Sean was selling drugs, police can't find one person, whoever admittedly bought any from him. And while people might be lying to hide their own drug use, we're talking about dozens upon dozens upon dozens of interviews. It's hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to find a single person to confirm this. You can't really be a drug dealer if you know no one knows you're a drug dealer or no one's buying your drugs. And Cynthia can't believe that no one knows what happened to her son. She thinks Sean's Friends seemed scared. But whether they're scared because they know more than they're willing to admit or because their friend had been murdered or both, that isn't clear. People are always telling Kimberly that they've heard rumors that Sean saw something that he wasn't supposed to see, which if true could be why he had been afraid recently. But no one can say what this thing he saw might be. Now all along, Melvin, his dad is still under suspicion. So police decide to set up a second polygraph for him in December of 1986. They know he works a lot, including late hours and taking a polygraph when you're tired can skew the results, so they tell him to stay home the night before and get some sleep. Bright and early on a Saturday morning detectives arrive at Melvin's to bring him to New York City for the test just like planned. But when they arrive, his car is gone, and so is he. Neighbors say that he didn't come home the night before, and when they call his job, he answers the phone. Melvin explains that he had to work a couple of extra hours, but since he wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, the story doesn't add up for police. Now he still takes the polygraph, but it's inconclusive. So police decide to dig deeper, Melvin at the time is dating a woman named Diane, who just happens to be detective derosa's former grade school classmate because why not, right? And Diane says that Melvin calls her pretty frequently. Detective derosa hadn't bought into the Melvin theory in the first place, but the polygraph thing did make him a little suspicious. So he asked Diane if police can record her conversations with Melvin, maybe he'll admit to something. She agrees, but they don't learn anything useful. Melvin tells Diane that police are suspicious of him, but that he didn't do anything to his son. And at the end of the day, most everyone in law enforcement believes him. The general theory is that more than one person was involved in Sean's murder. And whoever did this is probably around Sean's age. Someone fast like him because he's not just going to stand there and let someone stab him. So despite all their work, the first anniversary of Sean's murder comes and goes with no answers. Cynthia spends the day putting reward posters up around town. But as time passes, fewer leads come in, and things quiet down for a while. Until the summer of 1987, when an unrelated and horrific home invasion puts an early suspect back in the hot seat. I'm going to tell you all about that in part two. You can either listen right now in the fan club or I'll be back in your feeds with part two next week. But if you want to listen early again, you can listen right now in the fan club. You can sign up on our website crime junkie podcast dot

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

13:55 min | 1 year ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"To report that someone is laying on the ground by a lower level entranceway. And the person might be drunk. Now these quote unquote down and out calls are pretty common and not usually urgent. But it is 8 below zero, and in weather like this, a person could freeze to death. So officer mish in a rookie he's training head right over. When they pull up to the school a few minutes later, they see the custodian waving them over to a side door off a building that houses the pool in gin. And they can just make out someone a man flat on his back in the doorway. But it's still dark out and according to times Herald record reporters Billy house and Lance Oliver, vandals had smashed out the light over the gym doorways ages ago. So officer misch doesn't get a good look at him until he's standing over the man with his flashlight, and that's when he realizes the victim is a lot younger than he first thought. He's a teenager and only about 5 one maybe a 110 pounds. And this kid is not dressed for the weather at all. No gloves, no heavy coat just sweat pants, a hoodie, and a light windbreaker football jacket. But despite the cold, he's still warm, an officer misch thinks he feels a faint pulse. He immediately radios for an ambulance, but he sees a lot of blood around the teenager's stomach. So he lifts up his shirt to get a better look. And right away, it is clear. This is no simple down and out call. The young man on the ground had been stabbed many times to the point that his stomach was actually opened up. The officer can also see what looks like a big gash on the victim's head, even though he's wearing a do rag. And he notices something interesting. Next to the boy is a pile of what looks like spit. I mean, it's not even frozen, so all signs point to this like just happening. The ambulance gets there a couple of minutes later, but it's too late. Whoever their victim is, he's gone, and police have a homicide to investigate. Officer misch radios for detectives and in the meantime, state police investigators who heard the broadcast start showing up. They do this because they have more resources than smaller departments like Middletown, so they process major crime scenes in the area. And there's plenty to work with here because the entrance way is littered with potential clues. I mean, there's blood everywhere on the wall behind the victim on a big rock near his body in a little trail further down the side of the school. There's also chewed gum and cigarette butts. Though remember, it is 1986, so lots of schools at this time let students smoke on campus, so it's not a weird thing to find. But police collect all of it anyway. And as the sun comes up, they realize the crime scene is larger than they thought, with blood and evidence spread across the lower level school grounds, and this loop of road, which kind of like is a circular driveway that's next to the gym. And in the center of that loop is a grassy island with a railing around it. And on one side of the island, the railing is spotted with blood. And near the other side, police find a knife handle. Even though newspaper articles back then say it was a knife, everyone Nina interviewed today says it was just the handle. And another thing to note is that throughout the grass there is blood and pieces of broken glass. So it's obvious to police, this horrific attack didn't happen all at once, or even in one place, and probably not even at the hands of one perpetrator, considering the brutality. It seems like there was a fight that drifted over some distance, and even a chase, too. In fact, they find blood more than 200 feet away from the victim's body. A small pool of it on a path near another side door that leads to a music room. Detectives wonder if the victim may be stopped there for a minute and bled out. Maybe he was trying to hide or thought he had outpaced whoever was chasing him. And listen, I know this is hard to picture without seeing it, so we actually put together a Google Earth map of the school with some photos, which you can find on our blog post. There have been a lot of renovations since the 1980s with the area is still somewhat recognizable, and you can really get a better sense of what I'm talking about. Anyway, police search nearby storm drains, starting close to the school and working their way into surrounding neighborhoods, hoping to find the blade to go with the knife handle that they found, or really any weapon that might have been used. They also start knocking on doors, asking residents if they saw or heard anything strange. Meanwhile, though, kids have actually started to arrive for school. And I was a little shocked by that, like someone is murdered on the campus and you don't even like close down for the day, but I assume it just all happened so fast. I do know at some point the district did close the school, but I don't know if it was just for a couple of hours or what, because the students were definitely there throughout the day. That article by Lance Oliver and Billy House says that they were actually watching from the windows as police collected evidence early that morning. And mind you, the victim is still laying on the ground. He hasn't even been taken away by the medical examiner yet. And police still don't know who he is. But since he seems to be about high school age and he was found at the high school, a sergeant figures at his best chance at a quick ID is to go inside and look through yearbooks. Now, it's a good idea, but it actually doesn't help. Please then try having a few staff members ID this kid, but they don't recognize him either. So by 9 a.m., still unidentified, he is brought to the hospital morgue. But they don't stay totally in the dark about who he is, because there is a clue about his identity that football jacket he's wearing. It's a blue and white 1984 Middletown junior high school team jacket, with the name Sean embroidered on it. Police have a connection to that football team. Another sergeant is an assistant coach. He's off duty so they call him at home and he tells them yes, there is a Sean on the team. Sean Edwards, who plays running back and linebacker, and he's not a high school student, that's why they've had no luck. He's an 8th grade. Sure enough, a quick check of attendance records at the junior high prove that Shawn never showed up that morning. And the coach slash sergeant officially identifies him around 1115 a.m.. Investigators finished processing the crime scene by lunchtime. The blood is washed away with a fire hose, and students gather by the Jim door searching the nearby grass and snow for any evidence that the cops might have missed. And that's when, over at the warehouse where she works, Cynthia's supervisor calls her into his office and tells her that police need to speak with her right away. Since her sister drove them to work, she borrows a friend's car and rushes home. And that fear that has been building inside of her since the moment she saw that empty couch only grows stronger. Her son is missing and police won't tell her what's going on over the phone. Detectives meet her at home, and they bring her all the way to the station, and that's where they break the news. Her youngest child, her baby, is dead. Not only that, but he's the victim of a cold blooded murder. And during the autopsy that was done that day, investigators find out just how cold blooded it really was. Middletown detective Nicholas derosa told us that he's seen hundreds of autopsies, but never anything like this. Sean had been disemboweled. There were at least 15 stab and slash wounds to his back and stomach. But the stab wounds aren't even the worst of it. He might have actually survived those. It was the blow to the head that killed them. Something the detective describes as beyond blunt force trauma. I mean, his skull is in pieces. Police theorized that the damage could have been done with a baseball bat or a metal pipe, or maybe steel toed boots. There's also a bloody rock that was found at the scene and broken glass, although there were no glass fragments found in Sean's skull. The Orange County coroner estimates that Sean had been dead for maybe an hour when his body was found by the custodian around 6 10 a.m.. Based on officer mischief's recollections, it seems like it could be less time than that, but it's impossible to piece together an accurate timeline of those hours leading up to the murder. Police think that Sean left his house sometime around 11 p.m., but they don't know what he was doing for the 7 or so hours that he was MIA, or where he was doing it. I mean, there were only a handful of spots even open that late in Middletown in the 1980s. A couple of diners, convenience stores, and police can't play Sean at any of them. They also don't know how Sean even got to the school. He didn't ride his bike, which was still at home, and he's 14, so not only does he not have a car, none of his friends do either. But everyone, cops, family, Friends, agree on one thing. He didn't walk. The high school is almost two miles from the Edwards home. It would have been like 45 minutes on foot. Now one thing police knew from just living in the area is that lots of teenagers were taking cabs around Middletown, and they knew that Sean did too. So detectives were questioning drivers from two local companies, but they all say that they don't know anything about him taking a taxi that night. But to cab drivers who asked not to be identified, tell reporters Lance Oliver and Billy house that they heard Sean did take a cab Wednesday to a shopping Plaza near the high school that has a movie theater. And at first, listen, I'm like, okay, well, if the cab driver is lying, maybe he's involved. But this is why I have a podcast and not a badge because it turns out it was actually one of Sean's brothers who called the cab to the shopping Plaza. He picked up some food and came right back to the house. Plus, detective learned something interesting when they speak with one of Sean's neighbors. An elderly woman who lives a couple of houses down. This episode was made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. I'm using the sleep IQ data that I'm given from my bed to continually dial it in even more. 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So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. Her adult son has a medical condition that requires constant care and because of that, she's awake most nights, and she tells police that she definitely would have heard a car pull up outside of Sean's house, but she didn't hear a thing that night. So if he did catch a ride, he must have gone down the block or something to meet up with the driver. But no one knows who that driver might be. Because no one knows who Sean was with that night. He had a few crushes, but there was no girlfriend in the picture, so nothing to pursue on that end, and all his friends say that they weren't with him and they didn't see or hear from him. Sean's family figures that if anyone knows what's going on, it's his friend Billy. But Billy says that he doesn't know what happened or where Sean might have been. He even takes a polygraph which he passes. Through the rumor mill, police hear that there might have been a party, but when they track down people who were there, no one had seen Sean, and most of them don't even know who he is. But here's the thing, I mean, Sean had to have been somewhere, right? The weird thing is, police did a premise check at the high school between four ten and four 20 a.m.. It was part of their regular routine and apparently at that time there was nothing out of the ordinary. Now to be fair, I don't know how thorough that check was like if the officer went around the whole school, maybe just pulled up to the main entrance or what? But it's hard to believe that Sean or anyone would just be hanging around outside the school for hours. Again, in the freezing cold, and by the way, Sean hated the cold.

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Rocketship.fm

Rocketship.fm

06:29 min | 1 year ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Rocketship.fm

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Visit AMS insights dot com slash rocket ship FM start accelerating innovation in your business. That's AMS insights dot com slash rocket ship FM. All right, let me set the scene the location, a bank in the middle of a major metropolis, and right now, there's a bank robbery going down. The robbers run out to find their getaway car, missing. Where's the car? Greg, where are you? I'll be there in a quibi. What? Could be. Less than ten minutes. Quick bites, big stories. Quitting. Be there in a quibi he said, less than ten minutes. And of course, the tagline at the end, quick bites, big stories, that's quibi. And that was a Super Bowl ad, actually, one that aired during Super Bowl 54 for quibi, a short form mobile only video platform that was really sort of like Netflix, but with very short episodes and only available on your smartphone. And in this ad, they joked about the phrase in a quibi, meaning ten minutes or less because the company was only around for about ten minutes. That was kinda hard. All right, all right, it was. You know, they said that because the actual content each episode was at most just ten minutes long on quibi, as opposed to the typical 20 to 45 minute episodes we see most TV series have on the platforms like Netflix, Disney+, Prime Video and, you know, platforms like that. But quibi did fail and it was around for longer than ten minutes, right? But yeah, not that much longer, but yes, we're going to get into all of the details about quibi in this bonus episode of rocket ship FM kind of rehashing our product failure series from a couple years back. This time, focusing on the product failure of quibi. So let's get started. Welcome to rocket ship FM, rocket ship FM is produced in partnership with product collective. We are your hosts, Michael sokka, and I'm Mike del sito. In early 2020, we aired an entire season covering product failures. We talked about products like Google+, blockbuster. We've shared some of our own failures. But right at the time that season was airing another tech company was in the midst of launching quibi. And it wasn't just some small seated startup either. It had a big vision with big financial backers and a list executives. Yeah. And that's probably an understatement. Started funding goes? Well, it raised $1.75 billion before ever even launching from Hollywood film studios, TV companies, telecom companies, technology companies, banks, it was led by Meg Whitman, the former eBay CEO and California gubernatorial candidate, founded by Jeffrey katzenberg, one of Hollywood's biggest film producers. He was the former chairman of Walt Disney Studios, the cofounder of DreamWorks. I mean, by all accounts, it was really set up to succeed really well. But, well, we're featuring it in this bonus episode of product failures for a reason. So it didn't succeed. But first, let's go way back. We should probably go into what quibi actually is. Yeah, and actually, let's let Jeffrey katzenberg tell you himself. Here he is in a conversation with Fox four news Kansas City's Sean Edwards back in April 2020. Well, it's a new subscription service with very, very premium content made by the best storytellers, creators and filmmakers in Hollywood to be watched on your phone using a brand new technology that actually makes it beautiful to watch on your phone. And so new types of stories, movies that are in chapters, everything is under ten minutes. And we have a very rich and diverse offering of content. In the first two weeks, there's over 50 shows and over 500 episodes. So a lot there for people. Okay, so you heard it from Jeffrey katzenberg directly. Short form content every episode under ten minutes long. But really good content. We're not talking about user generated TikTok videos. It's highly produced really good episode of content. And it's designed to be watched on your mobile device with technology that makes you actually enjoy watching content like this on a mobile device. At least that was the concept. And when we say really good content, well, there's something for everybody. For instance, there was Chrissy's court. The people are real. The cases are real, and the judgments are legally binding. I'm fully naked under I think that's the hardest part about being a judge. It's so hot. This is Chrissy's core. Yes, that was Chrissy Teigen and Chrissy's court. Sort of like Judge Judy, only it's Chrissy Teigen. But she's not a real judge. Michael doesn't matter anymore. Small details. It's Chrissy Teigen. She could do whatever she wants. Okay, well done. There are also some thriller series like survive. I'm going to cut to a clip from IMDb to explain this one. In this feature film broken into chapters, Game of Thrones own Sophie Turner stars as Jane, a young woman headed.

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"sean edwards" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast

Lakers Nation Podcast

05:29 min | 1 year ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast

"I guess we're here. And that's kind of what we saw. So I wouldn't even say it was just Russ. I thought a lot of the team just didn't look that interested. And then the second half, they woke up. Yeah, you know, I'm happy you brought that up because you don't have to look any further than the Phoenix Suns that lost on prime time television against the hawks on Thursday, came out today and absolutely waxed the wizards and basically showed like, yeah, no, we're still the best team in the league. That's how you would expect the Lakers to come out after losing in prime time as well. And again that they probably should have one. And you get another chance to look good on prime time television. It gets struggling next to you. This is the team that I said it earlier at the show. There are a lot of parallels between these two teams. This season. And so this was like a get right game for both of them, it felt like it was just so happens the Lakers actually got to win this time. But yeah, it's telling that it took herculean efforts from three guys to barely scratch out a way. Like the comments that. A creative player said nicks could use Russ if they wanted to rebuild or sell tickets during it. Well, that's the old Knicks. That's what the old nicks used to do and we praised the next so much for not doing that kind of stuff last year and it led to success for them. But the trade that drivers fournier birx Kemba for rust DJ Ellington 2027 first, Nick should rebuild. Bobby marks trade, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Why would they do that? They won't. Yeah, sorry. It's like, I get it. Having rest for a season, maybe you can talk yourself into, yeah, he just needs a different change of scenery. And we have the pieces in coaching staff to do it. But if you're a knife fan, can you talk yourself into us like, honestly? No. I don't see any team talking themselves into Russell Westbrook, knowing that he's making 44 million this year in 47 million next year. Things like if Russ was at 10 million, sure. Sure, somebody would. And that's where we can confuse this. And we could say Russ has zero utility as a player. He's terrible. He's awful. And we get that sort of idea from his contract. He's worth 44 million? No. But if he was at 10 million, then there probably would be some trade options here. There'd probably be a team that would say, well, if he's willing to come off the bench or he's willing to do this or do whatever, fine, but at his price, I just can't see a team being realistically interested. Maybe I'm wrong, somebody asked to, you know, what would you bet would you bet that a Westbrook trade happens by Thursday? No. I think it's bet the house again. Yeah. Are there odds? Can I have odds? I will bet the house against. Absolutely. And you should. I think it's extremely unlikely. The Westbrook gets moved by the trade deadline. Yeah, no. All right. Sean Edwards. Indy gets favors Ellington, the 28 second OKC gets rust 27 first. And you get money for monk potential wall buyout can retool and free agency..

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"sean edwards" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

04:18 min | 2 years ago

"sean edwards" Discussed on KCRW

"Questions about sparks. How many items are there? 25 albums All your brothers? We are brothers. How did she first meets? We're brothers music. It is best you here and you go. Oh my God! What is that? It's insane, but he's fantastic. All pop music is rearranged Sparks. That's the truth. Okay, Carlos, I confess. I really didn't know anything about this band. Who are they? Me neither. But I, but I do now, after watching two hours and I have, uh, you know about them, which already tells you that the film is a bit on the long side. Um, Sparks were a band that you know. Oh, are a bank There's still there's still going who they started in the seventies and you know they release about 25 album, and it's a documentary. So tracks album by album. You Know the evolution of these two brothers. Who have been making music together for so long, and they're very peculiar their music instead of funny have time to trying to do you know a little comedy with their songs, but they're also you know, mixing, you know since and they're mixing genres, and, you know, one of them, you know, has a strange moustache that looks sort of like Charles Chaplin or Edel Hitler and you know that's sort of like his persona where he performs. So we follow them. You know, through the eyes of director Edgar Wright, uh, in his first documentary film, and you have a big names talking about this band and the influence like Mike Myers or Jason Swordsman and a bunch of musicians that are fond of this ban. And, you know, it's kind of strange to think that you know so many people, you know, know them and follow them and love them and they have been around for so long. And yet for a lot of us, this is the first time we've ever heard of them. So I think that you know it touches on why that is. You know, the music was so on classifiable. Very peculiar. Very strange for a lot of people. It wasn't you know, sometimes they had a few hints that were pop. You know, Pop heads that really connected with the mainstream. And sometimes they had entire albums that you know we're too Eccentric for for, you know, white consumption, So I feel like you know, you really learn, perhaps a little too much of other process and what they do, because there is so extensive. But I do love that. There's a lot of animation in the in the film and, you know not only sort of conversations or interviews with the two brothers that There are part of the band but also animation and interviews with other people. Other The last thing I say, is that we know that these movies made by someone that really loves them, so I don't think there's a lot of questioning of some of the things that you know they did over the years, like so changing their band every time they make a new album and sort of fired and dismissing, you know their band. They're only loyalty was to each other. These two brothers, so as a really question, and to me that was like a little strange because we have the drummers and the other band members sort of like saying Yeah, they sacked me after the album and they find someone else. Ah, so that was interesting to me that he's never address. Huh? Interesting. Alright, Sean. What did you think? Are you a fan now of sparks? Not at all. Some movies are best as private printings. Egger, Right? Does an amazing job. It's inventive is informative, but ultimately it's exhausting. It's just way too long and the quirkiness gets it gets really old After a while. I mean, it could maybe use this film as a master class in how to teach editing because it is really well edited, but after after a while, like I didn't know who these guys were. I got a little quick crash course and immediately I did not care. It's for very small audience. It did nothing for me, which is excessive overboard. That was done. Well, I'm going to lay this fun fact. On both of you. We have a show on KCRW called Bookworm. And Sparks composed the theme for it. That's a great one just wonderfully weird. They have so many albums $25 that I feel like, you know, there might be something for everyone in one of those albums, but I feel like I might not like a lot of them. But there were a couple songs here and there that I was like, Okay, this is more like like something I would listen to, so they have just a lot of material. Well, we're going to go out on that little theme song because why not? Sean Edwards is film critic for Fox TV in Kansas City, also the co founder of the African American Film Critics Association, and Carlos Aguila, law reviews for the Los Angeles Times and a V club. Thanks. You.

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