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"seacoast chiefs" Discussed on Brotherhood Academy Radio
"I hate the fact that the that the volunteerism in Florida seems to be. I don't want to say it's dying. I just it's not as widespread as it used to be nice. America's founded on volunteer firefighters. Were you will together as one continuing to serve always brotherhood Academy radio PODCASTS DRAIN OFF. Welcome back to the Academy Radio PODCAST. We are here in Wells Maine at the New England fools northeastern fire summit conference. And we're going to record a bunch of podcasts. And hopefully we'll be able to launch them out over the next few weeks to get ahead of schedule but I always mentioned as we do the Canadians the F. Down TO FIGHT FIRE. Volunteer Firefighters podcast. They plug us. We plug them. We want to give them a good mention and give them some love so without tying up too much time. Let's jump into the topic for the first episode recording. Here we have captain Dave Osgood with The York Beach Fire Department with us. And he is here because he is a easy continuous fools follower. He's a og loyal g one of the original guy. Yes yes so what is guys. What is the benefit of the fools because the three of us here pretty much been fallen? These guys around since this started. What two thousand three. The New England fools I think was I was. Yeah what what just happened. You Might Arnold. Sorry they've got down there you go. I meant to turn Hamels Zone Hamels here by the way But he's out somewhere. Maybe grab some lunch. Pc So we're going to cool for school right now so we're GonNa do a quick episode because lunch. The lunch is being served at the line is super long and we don't want to tie up too much. 'cause he's he's over there. Hungary so falls New England fools. We're here we're doing this event We got how many people are speaking this weekend. One to four today right five five five two two five today tomorrow and one last night last night so the benefit of these events. I encourage all you listeners. To find a fool's chapter we had rusty ricker on an episode. It was a good show. We talked a lot about a little bit of. I should say we talked a little bit about fools and the benefit of going to some outside training finding some chapters in your area and joining them and taking advantage of people coming in and speaking. So what is your take on people outside of their department and getting some new training some new faces. What are your thoughts on that? I think partly. It's it's a lot of it is the the networking that we get people. I've met I met firefighters and officers and instructors from all over the country and being able to bring a lot of that stuff back to my own department as well as the area departments when I teach whether it's for your county fire attack school or whatever you bring back this knowledge that that from other places than know that maybe we're not doing it completely different than everybody else but also there are things that we can bring back. It may not work for us. What New York City does but we will bring part of what they do and bring it into our system right and make it work really well for us and just these little nuggets that we get from everybody and and being around like minded people. There's nothing like being in the company of fools it anywhere you go in the country if you get with a bunch of fools. It's going to be the same guys. Where like minded individuals we WANNA BE? They want to learn new things. We WanNA bus each other's balls as much as we can assure us a good time. You know it's just a great great group of people. Yeah it is in. I was reading your post. You posted today A picture of the group out and you labeled it the three percent and it's one hundred percent correct when you say that because it's three percent of the fire service actually coming out and doing these things and trying to better themselves and get a better education and a better training. So we're going to convert people over to let's increase that three percent to you know let's work till T- towards ten let's work towards fifteen. Thank you need to start with five five five percent and then build it up from there. I think you'RE GONNA go from three to ten is probably not realistic. You know everything in the Fire Service Accountability where we started out with pass alarms that we had to turn on now. They're making them come on for us because firefighter proof and accountability with the same thing and trainings going to be the same thing. They say. You can't lead. You can't make a horse drink water but you know if you hold his head underwater long enough. It's going to drink some of it. So that's all right mic guys. Sometimes I'm doing trainings. That interested in but they they're going to get my take on it and they're going to hear what I have to say whether they like it or not we kind of the same way. I'm not trying to be a jerk however I think that it's important to learn new things and whether you like it or not you're going to at least take something away from it. I think it's just great to get a different perspective from people from all around the country. We had a guy speaking earlier this morning before. You got here from From Florida and all the way up from Florida teaching or is he taking it. He was interested. Yeah hitching. He had a nice presentation. And it's just great to see the different perspectives and ultimately we're all here to do the same thing and the perspectives are a little bit different. But they're they're they're the same in a way like you were saying it's like you could take something different. We could take something new from these people but at the same time. It's all raps into being in the fire service and and being the same thing but it's we can sit here and train and train and train on our fight apartments in have our own guys training and you're seeing the same face every week right. Yeah we do. We do in our own department. Sure that can get stale. And I'm sure does that put to take the opportunity to meet these new people to network and to get that. Different perspective is going to be really valuable for you and for your fire department and the rest of your members so the fools. You know another thing that we've talked about in the past. Is that you handsome. Devil you that we could. I could stand in front of my own department and talk about swiss-born till the cows come home and everybody just shakes ahead. And they're like. Yeah whatever you have one of these guys come in from somewhere else. And Talk About Munoz and the guys. They give the exact same message. And everybody's going to hang all over every word he says because it's not coming from me right they've heard me gripe about it and beat on it for years and they hear from someone else and it's like it's almost like their their personal biases or the user open because it's an outside person and sometimes that's frustrating. I guess it's you know that's the way firefighters are against seeing it and other other places where we've gone to other departments training teaching whatever and we've given the same exact message and the host is like. I try to tell them the same thing. They wouldn't listen to any of it when you guys come in and Delon that they were like they were like it was like the first time they'd ever heard it. I don't know no you're right. You're right house at lunch. Line looking shorter shorter okay. We won't keep you much longer. And I think what we can do to is is Aron. Heller actually suggested this because he's here this weekend when we do these shows we'll just do short snippets right and we can even if you do a long show. That's great and what we can do is we can kind of. I can edit it so it's all ended up being one long one. So what are they feeding people in their by sandwiches sandwich? Amaze- yeah yeah I saw some roast beef and I think last year. That's what they did to is pretty good dousing. Yeah so as thanks for coming on real quick with your point of view on outside training and again I would encourage everybody. If they see a fool's event and not only up about any outside training that they can get to. Whether it's you know for our area we have your county town school school which is which is good. There's a lot of good classes. They have seacoast chiefs. They do some really really good classes down there and Dover every year so you know whether you're a firefighter a chief officer. It doesn't really matter get everybody else's perspective get some of that information and bring it home to your guys maybe like maybe we don't get to use it exactly how they use it in. New York or Boston or or wherever but we can tailor that stuff to work within our own departments and there's always a better way of doing things. It doesn't matter how much you learn. This always a better way for sure or newer way or something right. We don't do that. We're just. We're just getting stale. Anybody see the clip on the Internet the other day the Guy Like knee Preston. Hose Line while he was putting his mask on. And and and doing like a transitional attack. You hit it in the window here. If you ever had an opportunity to take Erin fields forward class. It's worth every every muscle that you wind up getting it is really. It's you can just barely walk by the end of the three days Just because you move so much line and flowed so much water in different ways that we don't usually do but if you have the opportunity to take that as by fire one of the best glasses partake in the thirty three years. I've been doing this a long time by shed. Okay all right great. Let's go. We'll get another guest on little later on. Paul what do you think eat something? Let's eat something cool feed me. Thanks so here we are. It's recording. Now we'll see now here's Here we are at the fools conference Are you a little bit more relaxed now rusty a lot more relaxed this? It's so it's clear salen from we're beyond it's all downhill from here right. Three-quarters away down the hill right. Good turn out. Great turnout best turnout we've ever had. What are the numbers? Do you think Counting while Danny was speaking there. Were one hundred eleven people in the room. No kidding with vendors students and vendors and other instructors sitting there one hundred eleven people in the room which is probably twenty over. One of our best is the best with the exception of the Tampa event that we did last November The best that we ever did was Aaron. And we've done up in Vermont Cystic fibrosis okay. Fundraiser approximately ninety ninety. Two people in the room for that so this is head and shoulders above that. That's awesome next year. We'll be bigger. I don't know if that room will handle bigger. Figure it out. You could move the vendor tables somewhere you know now. There's plenty of them. Yeah so all right. So welcome back to the show rusty. No thank you for having US and And we also have Aaron Heller on the show. Welcome Aaron thank you and I've been wanting to talk to you for quite a bit because You you have a training right. I do I. I own on training insensitive training and you're newly promoted fire. Chief I am congratulations. Thank you very much. I was promoted on February first. So how about your Quick Synopsis On Your Fire Service Background. My Fire Service background is long and varied. I started as a junior member in.
"seacoast chiefs" Discussed on Brotherhood Academy Radio
"Well well you should have had it years ago but right it's just gonNa make it official and will learn something from it no doubt about it no doubt about it we will definitely learn and something about it and and it happened the fall on all my work days off perfect look at that Yeah Nice. Of course it's mostly online and I think there's only one a handful of classes. We have two eight eight eight in person classes. Yeah that's perfect. Yeah at night. Yeah three hours. Three eight three hour classes. The only problem I was worried about was the FI fell on a work day. They need the whole twenty. Four off. Wouldn't leave work and be in scarborough for five five thirty PM. Whatever there's just no way right so she's out good? Yeah it worked out really well. I had it kind of worked out that they were GONNA. They were GonNa work with me on their very stingy on training shifts. But obviously because the budget is tight with you know eighty people or sixty-nine line people and many Adleman folks but anyway they were going to work with me on that and since another department was paying for the class they were GonNa work with me on training shifts and I didn't end up needing it. That's great that's great. Well that brings up another thing too is email us money as an excuse to not allow your members to go out and get extra training. Yeah that's a big big factor in a lot of things is having the budget to get your people trained but there's ways around founded there's ways to be creative creative financing is one thing are really good at and Hamill us. Three of us were talking last night online about we wanted to maybe think think about doing a regional training right so get other fight apartments on board of UCS share the cost. Obviously an instructor that you'd think would be really good with a really good topic. Share the cost. I can get it out there to other departments and then what's that doing that's team building. Jazz sure is well when we did the We did the class and Elliott last year on Or the fire officer Class Volunteer Fire Officer full-time leadership. That was fantastic. I walked into the room there and it was a WHO's who of the area fire departments turn you know. I got there late because I was coming from work. And I walk in the south boat guys and the Elliott guys and our guys and who else was is there that we knew guy. Yeah couple. Beach Yeah you know it was just. It was a WHO's who of the area fire departments all old friends that you know you. Only we see there on a big fire or even rarely even more rarely on a fireman's field I nowadays but right but it was like it was it was awesome. It was really in my element that night because it was all all old friends in the room. So what do you think. The collective amount of service or years of service was sitting in that room at only one hundred am I god. I don't have fingers and toes enough to count all that. Can you imagine we're way over one hundred or just argh. Oh Yeah Oh yeah for sure for sure we had guys like markle each and forty years going to say as he forty years. WHO's GonNa say might have even been Johnny Johnny in the room? I forget gang a guys in the room. So you know between Johnny and mark they got sixty seventy five hundred you know so but yeah if you can't afford it if you can't afford a training budget fine work around it again. Professional National Problem solvers around. Yes to let your members grow. Give them the opportunity to grow. Give them the opportunity to teach did you. You gotta you gotTa no answer from one of the area departments on the last that you're trying to put on did you get an affirmative from a couple of others and nobody else responded Yeah Yeah that was kind of frustrating. I put that out to you. Know How much are we looking for. Total thirty five ish force or something like that. Yeah round four to get a big name in you know what I mean. Yeah awesome foreign but I mean if you go after one of the mutually districts you might have that yes you know. Yeah you could always tap seacoast chiefs but yeah I kind of want to keep it local like to. It's not you know that doesn't work. That's fine whatever. Whatever big crowd that's fine? That's what we want anyway. I suppose can have it in the auditorium at the high school writing. Thank you had a big grand new auditory museum out where I had in mind. Yeah for sure no. We've we've done stuff like that. We had we had before it was before it was cool. We had a Emergency response to terrorism class than the old auditorium down there and we had a whole bunch of people and it ended up being a good day. One day class on terrorism response like like I said before nine eleven before it was cool Well I think I've I think I've calmed down a little bit. I think I got it off my chest. Get out get out. Yeah you gotTA. I'm reading so now. You gotta get it out. Just frustrates me. Because you see this online you see it everywhere fire service but you see it in you know. Everybody's Israel jobs is that's not just fire service issue that's a real world issue in leadership is something that a lot of people play pay lip service to and they don't really understand understand the ramifications they don't understand the INS and outs of leadership in and you know the ramifications of the lack of leadership. You know it boils down to you end up having a toxic workplace or toxic work culture and once it's toxic man it takes a long time is hard. It's hard to get that back. Yeah very hard. And you're going to lose people and you don't WanNa lose people we talk about all recruitment recruitment open recruitment but retain. The people got I. You know there's another thing that there's another thing that I have on my mind when we talk about you know keeping your good people and not losing is the politics yeah and Burns people out it. It's killing me right. The fires in the training. It's no no. We're we're having a lack of fires right now which killing me. And we're having an uptick in just dealing with politics and it's killing me win a fire alarm activation this morning. I know I was at work. I saw saw the page. That's the most excitement we're getting. I know fire alarm activation and falls. We haven't a real gravity issue here rollovers and cars in the polls have been really really big thing. Nellie Meli that's better than fall down go boom the CD had five. Oh you is in two nights. Yeah I was at work for almost all of that but yeah two of them were polls involved evolved in one of them was a rollover which the guy got out and walked down the street in the middle of night and that was Mass Yeah Yeah it was a mess anyway so gone own so politics just kills guys and you get to a point. Where and I'm kind of here I don't need it right and stay home and and fight with the wife or kick the dog or dogs? No but I could kick kick kick something you know I could. I could do any number of things but I just don't have time for the politics. I don't have a desire to be involved in that. I don't have a desire to do. Whatever I look at? Politics are killing it. I look at the people that are into the politics and that the gossiping and all that as a weakness like their week somewhere. They're insecure about something you know and the people that are that are confident. They don't need that bullshit they don't care about it. I don't need to know. And what are they what are they after. What's the point like if everybody everybody just would stop the bullshit you know and and communicate agree coming to accommodate even have to agree? No you are dealing with a group of Taipei's yeah we're not all going to always agree on the chiefs GonNa make decisions that are unpopular his way or the highway. And that's just the way it is sure but you have to be respectful and you have to. We can agree to disagree a lot of things. I agree to disagree with most people on things. Yeah Yeah and that's that's one of the reasons since I've been able to to get some of the places I've gone as I I'm GonNa give it to your straight whether it's good or bad. Yeah yeah sure sure real real yeah and that is what it is and I don't have personal agenda. Leaky doesn't matter to me. That's best for the department. That's a key not having a personal agenda because that becomes a problem Because people see through that firefighters czar built in bullshit detectors and as soon as they start seeing. Okay he's he's Zanga in you know was that that new thing. We're the training on the other night. The built-in bullshit detector. was that something else that thing on the end of propane propane propane okay. Cool new propane detector really cool the bullshit detectors just that. It's built into all firefighters inside. It's inside so when you see that you usually like it. It does the same thing as like when you see if I raises red flags and things like that all right right vitals go. Hey I see bullshit I call bullshit and they know it right off the bat like when somebody's not truthful or somebody's not genuine motives. Somebody has alterior motives. votives firefighters see through that usually very quickly. And when you think they'd not seeing it they are they are because when somebody is all about me not about we. Yep that's very very obvious is watching and they know an automatic become unpopular Guy Tried to avoid I I yeah right we with me as we. It's the department. Yeah us it's yeah and don't use that on the term on the radio radio to like we need to have a show on radio communications and radio etiquette some night or day. Man I think that's a whole nother topic here for that shoe. You Blunt the whole like if you're on a truck and you're on the radio don't say I'm on scene especially when people are with you drives me crazy about the truck and the company or are you there by yourself. What's the deal you're on scene? which is on-scene Larry's going to go out? Then right yeah right exactly. Well I think we hit the nail on the head it was. I think it was a big ED. A roofing nail and we had it with a sledgehammer. We hit it with a sledgehammer. Yes one hit Eh. Just take one hit for a roofing nail anyway. who was? WHO's up for some roofing because I can cut the cost down on that too? Thanks uh-huh no you get the shingles up there and we'll nail down. Yeah that whole east side's GonNa have to be obviously reroofed but anyway So do you guys have anything else. You WanNa talk. We're at fifteen minutes We've been longer no no but I. I think I hit everything that I wanted to hit. I am calm down a little bit and I hope this makes difference. It probably is not going to solve everybody's problems but I hope this gets out there and I think it's just it needed to be said that need to be blunt you guys need to start leading and start letting your guys do shit letting you members have some ownership. It's not about me it's about we. Yup Yup you're not happy with your membership not happy with the amount of people you got showing up. It's on you. It's your fault simple. P people bosses jobs. Let's fact it private sector public sector. Doesn't matter people in Boston jobs. I like that never heard that before. but You d yes even even more you know. Yeah the more you know Yup and then you can think back to jobs you've hated or one hundred percent that that rings true one hundred one hundred one hundred percent. Yep Yep eight-man even be a direct supervisor. But it's mandatory in general because they're being influenced by their poor. Yeah management above them. So it's a trickle down effect and I think that's important you might. I always get a little leery when we talk about empowerment with with newer members. Because I think for a really new member they need to understand that we are still based on the command chain not stronger we do have tradition. Stay in your lane. You can't if you're brand new. You Know Yellow Shield out there. orangey out there. Don't take what we're saying and just start you know yeah spouting your yeah your opinion. How because that's not what we're saying don't go don't go rogue when what we say is when we say the new members need to be empowered or two? That's a on a on their level. Okay so if you're a brand new member your empowerment might be something as simple as you are now empowered Howard to wash this truck urine. How our expected you're expected but you're empowered to that? You're empowered to take take the lead on that right simple things take the lead on sweeping the floors. Yeah right that's what we mean you're not. You're not empowered to run a fire scene if you brand new. It's all relative to where you are in the fire service. Yes and you're right. That's I'm glad you brought that up because that that is a it's an important. It's an important but like you know you can't just go in and say well because then you then you're entitled Adult Right then you're acting entitled you can't just join the fire department and want to be captain right away right no no. It doesn't usually work like that places you have to be able to have it..