20 Episode results for "Scurvy"

Short Stuff: Scurvy

Stuff You Should Know

13:29 min | 1 year ago

Short Stuff: Scurvy

"Jahre in welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh there's Chuck. There's Jerry the scurvy dog ugh and this is short stuff like I said Marty wasting time. Let's start our good Lord. I can't believe this is the show. It is yeah for twelve years. Almost yeah ish eleven. I think short stuff in particular though Chuck has just about approached. Its one year anniversary. That's great the little Bro so let's talk about scurvy which is a disease is that you can get when you don't get enough vitamin. C for a long period of time so it's gotta be long period of time if you go about vitamin C. for a few days as a few weeks. Even you're going to be fine right but if you are let's say on a pirate ship and you go months without vitamin. C. Sure then you're toast yeah yeah and technically any ship or technically any massive land movement where you don't have vitamin C. in your diet or even if you just choose not to eat vitamin C. You can be living the middle of an Orange Grove Yup. Just a total jerk but it takes about it takes thinks about like two to three months before the effects really starting to set in but it is really odd to think that like yeah. I hadn't thought about that. You could just removed vitamin. C from your Diet. It wouldn't be that hard. you know. Everyone thinks like well yeah. Oranges Lemons limes rich in vitamin C sure true but did you know that Broccoli Broccoli has about twice as much vitamin. C. Is in orange and I love Broccoli and you hate it you yes but I would eat broccoli. If I was starting to show signs of scurvy. I prefer to eat the oranges in the limes lemons because I love me some citrus sure to maybe a grapefruit here. They're not in the grapefruit little bitter for me but I I would choke down. If my life depended on it sure you should try. I've got some for you. Then chuck fresh squeezed grapefruit juice and orange juice fresh squeezed in equal for equal proportions. I think I've had it mixed in can have it and also think I have a thing for my childhood in the seventies and early eighties when a half a a grapefruit covered in sugar was like a meal for MOMS right and I don't know it just bugged me that cottage cheese yeah. There was a super seventies diet. Hi It thing all right so let's talk about vitamin C. because it's super interesting to me that tons of animals four thousand kinds of mammals camel's even who can produce their own vitamin. C. But humans primates more specifically. That's a big one. Guinea pigs and fruit bats lost lost the ability to a long time ago. Yeah and other animals can synthesize vitamin C so they don't need to ingest it like you were saying because they have the functioning. Gulag gene the Golo no lactone oxidative gene which is beautiful words but the Gulag Gene. We have a fol Ol- script of it's there. There's just some mutation that occurred way back in our evolutionary history which is pointed to by the fact that other apes can't synthesize sized vitamin C. either so this way before humans were around and as a matter of fact the fact that there we do have Golo gene that is no longer functioning is pointed to it was evidence of evolution by people who still argue such things but the fact that the Gulag gene is there but not functioning is the whole reason we can't produce vitamin C. so we have to ingest elsewhere which wasn't a problem at least at first when we were just strictly a subtropical species like we evolved to be initially yeah because we we were surrounded by fruits vegetables and ate them a lot but then as we migrated around the globe to places where that stuff wasn't so abundant yep it it quickly became a problem it did and so there are vitamin. C POPs up other like non sub-tropical crops or crops that we've adapted to non subtropical climates which is to say everything outside of the tropics and subtropics right. That's right red peppers peppers yeah red peppers potatoes onions or another willinger tomatoes so does it shows tomatoes and actually strangely enough some raw meet and then say like the livers of certain animals are also very rich vitamin. C. Which is why people living up in the Arctic circle like inuit populations and other indigenous tribes that lived way far north surprisingly didn't suffer from scurvy because they have plenty of vitamin C in their almost entirely meat rich diet. That's right it pops up in other places but if you if you don't get it you can't synthesize vitamin C. which is extremely important to building Collagen in your body which it turns out college in his way more important than just keeping your your the cuticle of your nails healthy yeah we need collagen protein and then if you like your connected tissue in your body staying healthy and connective then you need that. Collagen bones are going to get a lot of their strengths from collagen fibers if you have like a a boo boo on your skin. Yep COLLAGEN IS GONNA heal it. It'll help the walls of your blood vessels. Stay strong and healthy. Eh if you'd like to keep your blood inside your vessels. You're GonNa Love College in another words that's right and if you are getting enough vitamin C. which they say is about seventy five to ninety milligrams a day you're going to be burning through about eight to ten milligrams of this vitamin C. If you WANNA keep synthesizing that Collagen right so you WANNA have a store org reserve of it at all times and supposedly if your store drops below three hundred milligrams that's right. That's when the scurvy starts to happen and it's it's GonNa. I start to be noticeable very faintly. You're gonNA feel week yeah. It'd be a little bit of fatigue. It's not gonNA be. You're not going to be like it's scurvy. I'm scurvy dog. it's. GonNa take a little longer and some other stuff to really to really point to the fact that you are suffering from scurvy. You'll go through a weight loss. Due Reduced Appetite and the real dead giveaway for a lot of people is that you start to get your mouth just undergoes a massive horrific transition in a number of ways yet pretty gross we're talking bleeding gums swollen gums teeth loosening and falling out. This is my worst nightmare. Yes not good joint and muscle pain your skin like if you you know we talked about the Collagen helping to form scar tissue and he'll booze. You will not be able to heal your boo. It was an old boo boos might reopen because they're not healing like they should be It bones start to become brittle. It's it's really really bad adding grotesque. It's a bad jam for sure and then eventually because remember your blood vessels are weak and because you re remember we did our our episode like does the body really regenerate itself every seven or nine years. Your tissues are constantly being regenerated but part of that regeneration is from AH adequate supply of vitamin C if you don't have that you're not regenerating these things and then eventually some really important blood vessels like ones that that supply your brain or your heart with blood are going to fail and you're going to die of a blood hemorrhage in your brain or your heart. That's right solicit a break and we're going to talk about what pirates and sailors I have to do with all this right after this. The technology is becoming more open data more accessible and and the world more innovative. IBM's combining their industry expertise with the open source leadership of Red Hat to bring you more freedom more security eighty more flexibility. Let's unlock the world's potential. Let's put smart to work learn more at IBM DOT com slash red hat aw aw they already so we kinda gave it away earlier by saying you know if you don't have vitamin. C It in your in a place where you can't get it. SCURVY scurvy will set in early on this was a problem like during the Crusades because armies were where there were no fruits and vegetables during the Irish potato famine it was a big deal during the American civil war scurvy was a big deal but the early sailors of the world the Vikings in the Phoenicians they had fruits and veggies so they were all fine yeah between fifteen hundred and eighteen hundred though and this is hard to believe it was the leading cause of naval death around two million sailors died of scurvy yeah like like far and away the leading cause and it was like a really bad death like your gums would become so inflamed and swollen they would grow over your teeth so go to allow you to chew your food because otherwise you starve to death because you couldn't eat the naval surgeons would cut your gums away to expose your teeth once more. This is the the kind of stuff that was happening to your dying of Scurvy and at the time this is say like the age of discovery starting around you know the late Fifteenth Century or early sixteenth century onto the middle of the eighteenth century. There were just millions of people died. This way suffered from this and it's not like they you didn't already know how to cure scurvy through like folk medicine here there people kind of figured out like Oh. If you eat an onion you're gonNA be fine or try some citrus or something like that but it wasn't like widely disseminated and certainly not scientifically based knowledge until a guy named James Lynn came around and in seventeen forty seven he I think on behalf of the Royal Navy conducted the first controlled experiment that showed that citrus actually can cure scurvy servie. Yeah I mean James. Lind comes around says you're on these boats. You're eating hard tack drinking beer and salted meat and you're dying grotesque deaths. Throw a lime in that beer and you'll be fine yeah make it a Negro modell and it's even better sort of cause scurvy. Can I mean it is really pretty easy. Easy to cure you can add like you can reverse the effects of scurvy if you add that vitamin C back in and it's really easy is at but they didn't have access to it. That's why it's so so closely associated with sailing right but it's still out there today. It's not like we cured in a radical scurvy. I mean cured. I guess in a way but we didn't radical it because because in poor places where people don't have access to vitamin C low income families even in the United States. You see scurvy popping up every now and then yeah it's a really sad situation in orange groves where obstinate people are just sitting around suffering from scurvy yet is so as as malnourishment has kind of increased just because of the western Diet so have cases of scurvy like in the developed Western World People get scurvy. It's more more frequently seen whenever there's like a terrible famine or something like that but it can happen in people's everyday lives they can start to develop scurvy. The great thing is and this is what Lynn showed way back in the seventeen nineteen forties. Is that give somebody some orange juice or some vitamin C. Pills and within twenty four hours their gums are going to stop bleeding within within three months. They should be expected to make a full and complete recovery like it's extremely treatable. It's a really treatable disease. It's just before James Lynn in came along and saved a lot of people from excruciating deaths. There was no kind of codified knowledge about about how to cure intrigue scurvy. That's right and after a few months you're completely fine Yup. It's great it is it's great. It's the best thing just go ahead and get some scurvy. Keep some some vitamin C. nearby and it'll be a wild ride. I've got two more things okay one. I believe the reason why the British or sometimes pejoratively referred to his is because of that lime juice ration that the sailors got to cure scurvy yep and then the second thing you said that scurvy he was kind of a big deal in the civil war. I saw that there is a campaign poster in Chicago. I think a union campaign poster that said don't send your sweetheart a love letter sending onion because they knew that onions would combat scurvy. That's great. I think that's pretty great. It's a great it's a great thing we should start doing that. For Valentine's Day as I said all right chuck a tip for short stuff right. That's right chuck said right everybody that means that shortstop. Steph is out stuff. You should know is production of iheartradio's. How stuff works for more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Ep 19 Scurvy: Thanks a lot, evolution.

This Podcast Will Kill You

1:01:59 hr | 1 year ago

Ep 19 Scurvy: Thanks a lot, evolution.

"Right. I was once again dreaming a fortune in success. When my hopes were blasted by an attack of terrible scourge that wrought destruction through the northern minds during the winter of eighteen forty eight forty nine land scurvy I noticed its first attack upon myself by swelling and bleeding of the gums followed by swelling of both legs below the knee. And I was laid up in my tent obliged to feed upon the very articles that had caused the disease and growing daily weaker without any reasonable prospect of relief. I was almost in despair with only a blanket between myself and the damp, cold earth and thin canvas to protect me from the burning sun by day. And the heavy dues by night. I laid day after day enduring the most intense suffering from pain in my limbs, which were now becoming more swollen and returning completely black above me rose those formidable hills, which I must ascend air I could obtain. Pain relief. I believe I should have died had not by accident discovered. A remedy in the second week of my illness. One of our party found strewn along a foot track a quantity of beans, which sprouted from the ground. And we're in leaf someone had probably dropped them. He gathered a quantity, and I had them boiled and lived entirely on them for several days at the same time. Using decoction of the bark of spruce tree these seem to operate magically. And in a week. I found myself able to walk and with two companions walked into Coloma. They're living principally upon a vegetable diet, which I procured by paying three dollars per pound for potatoes in a very short time. I recovered. Wow. Hi, I'm Aaron Welsh. I'm Aaron omen Updike. And you're listening to this podcast will kill you. So that was some scurvy since curves that was really fun and also three dollars a pound for potatoes. Even think I pay that much today don't in eighteen forty eight. That's like gotta be what one hundred dollars today. I mean easily a thousand with inflation. All the gold, but also magical potatoes. Yeah. Truly truly and we'll find out why soon so shortly. So today's episode we're going to be talking about scurvy. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm really excited. This is our first real departure on our own from infectious disease. We've done crossovers where we talked about things other than infectious disease. But this is our first solo journey down a non infectious route. Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. I think it's going to be great. I think so too. Actually know it's going to be great. Oh, good. So we're going to cover the bile g the history and current status question. Mark question. Mark question Mark of scurvy. But before we do any of that, it's quarantine time. Yes. What are we drinking today? We're drinking the vitamin C legs. I forgot it. And then I remembered it and was overjoyed by the name. Yeah. Yeah. It's a bunch of different citrus juices of your choosing. Yep. Vodka because it's made from potatoes. Maybe and so water. Yep. Yeah. It's great as always we'll post the recipe on our Facebook Twitter Instagram, which you can find us there. So we've got our quarantine e but don't worry because we're also going to be providing a recipe for our placebo rita's. I still like that name. It's a fine name. Anyways. That's our non alcoholic version of our warranty knees, and those will also be on our social media. Okay. So my drinks in my hand mine too. I am preventing myself from getting scurvy and with this, delicious cocktail. Yeah. But I wanna know what the heck how is this actually preventing me? From getting scurvy, and what exactly is the beasts of the disease? I can't wait to tell you. When was the last time, you ate nourishing breakfast that you felt good about if you're looking to completely transform your breakfast checkout daily harvest, so one of my favorites is the chickpeas Tara Cup. It was tasty and full of fun flavors that found could I haven't tried that one. 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That's promo code this podcast for three three daily harvest cups at daily dash harvest dot com. Daily dash harvest dot com. Right. What do you think causes scurvy lack of lack of item in see boom? Like biology section over. Don't worry. We're going to get into more detail than that. Good. So the first thing that I wanna say, and this is because I don't want for people to feel silly. If they don't know this because I wasn't sure that I knew the actual answer to this. And that is what the definition of vitamin is like I think I kind of knew. But I think having a good definition is a good place to start. So a vitamin is essentially an organic compound that we cannot make ourselves and therefore we have to get it from our diet. So unlike most animals, actually, humans cannot synthesize their own vitamin C. Did you know that most other animals in the world make their own vitamin C? I did though that don't have to eat oranges. They don't have to worry about it. They just make their. Their own from sugar glucose, the only animals that don't make their own vitamin c r. Primates except for the lemurs who are special and still make their own Guinea pinks and Kathy Baras and some bats and some birds, and that's it everything else your dog. You don't have to share your oranges with them. Yeah. They make themselves that is so cool. Yeah. And we just lost that ability. And so thanks a lot. Evolution now. Independent oranges. Thanks of Lucien a way to go. So the fancy scientific name for vitamin c is a scorebig acid. Okay. We call it vitamin C. Because again, it's a necessary part of our diet. So that makes it a vitamin. So the question is what is vitamin c do? And why is it something? That's so important how can it end up causing disease as gnarly scurvy? That's why I'm sitting here. Okay. It turns out the vitamin C actually does quite a lot of things. And because I'm not a biochemist. And this isn't about chemistry podcast. I'm not going to get to. I'm not going to get to in depth on exactly the mechanisms of what it does. But the most important thing that it does. And the the way that you get most of the symptoms of scurvy are its affects on collagen. So collagen is this protein that makes up almost everything in your body. So collagen makes up your skin your tendons. It's the bottom layer in between all of your epithelial cells. So like in your bladder. There's collagen like lining the entire thing it forms your bones. It's in your eyes. It's in your hair like everything in your body is in some way made up of collagen. Okay. So it's a really really important protein must be. And it's a protein that's made of three different strands. So it's three single proteins that have to twist together into this triple helix like pulling peel twizzlers. Yes, like Twitter. In order to be strong. Right. So you need like strong skin, strong bones, strong twizzlers so happens when you have a vitamin C vitamin c does is it allows for that folding for that twisting to happen and for the bonds between those three strands of protein to be really strong, so without vitamin C. You can still make the strands of protein that make up collagen, but they can't bind together in the right way. So they're week. I think everyone wants to go out, but a pack of Poland peel to Lurs and try to pull apart a single strand versus an entire roll twizzlers. So my God this great idea. Excellent. That shows collagen collagen, boom, boom. Oh my gosh. Aaron to go now. Biochemistry out. So. Yeah. So that's a centrally the the biggest most important role of vitamin C in your body that we know about like, we know all of the details of this. And so when you have a lack of item in see, and you can't make strong collagen things in your body literally start to fall apart. So let's walk through kind of the progression of how this happens. So another thing that's important about vitamin C. Is that it's water soluble which means that when you ingest it, you can absorb a lot of it. Most of it some of it. But you can't hold onto it in your body for very long. It doesn't store in your fat tissues the way that some other vitamins do so UP out any excess vitamin C that you have which means that you have to continually eat it like you have to eat vitamin C every day. You're not going to be able to store up a whole bunch like something like vitamin B twelve you can have a like, Hugh. Stores of that in your body. So it could take a really really really long time of being deficient in something like twelve before you actually see any symptoms, but with vitamin C even just about a month of having little to no vitamin C, basically less than ten milligrams a day in your diet will lead to symptoms of scurvy because it'll deplete your stores, and then you'll just be running on nothing. So here's what starts to happen in about a month of no vitamin C. You'll start to feel really tired. You'll get lethargic. And if you're for example, a sailor out on the rough seas you won't be able to do things like hole in that. Jim over. Swab the deck. Thank you. That's what I was trying to. Remember the words I saw the motioning. Yeah. You're captain will be like Schwab deck, and you'll be like, I'm so tired of my muscles hurt. And you just won't want to they'll probably three overboard and you'll die that way. But if you don't then you'll just keep getting worse, you'll probably start to notice a rash. Especially on your legs. Hence, the name of our quarantine e. Yeah. Vitamin C legs. See you'll notice this rash. And it'll probably look like little red or purple spots or splotches. And then those spots might get bigger and bigger until your whole leg looks like you just went on a terrible snowboarding accident, and it's like no have you never been snowboarding. Seek reference, bro. I'm just saying you follow a lot. And then you end up with these bruises that are like the size of your entire but cheek, but like, you know, where that came from right 'cause you fell a lot. But with scurvy you just wake up with these giant bruises. And you're like, I didn't even fall. I haven't moved out of bed snowboarded in my dreams. Did you get bruises? Anyways. You'll have these giant bruises excetera your joints will start to hurt. Do you wanna know why of course, your muscles are breaking down and bleeding into the spaces of your joints and all those purple spots that you're seeing that's tiny blood vessels, just breaking and leaking blood into underneath your skin zip. Because they can't handle the pressure of the blood flow in the collagen is so weak. Yeah. Exactly. Because you can't make any new collagen. So collagen, literally lines all of your blood vessels, like the bottom of your the cells of your blood vessels are made of collagen. And so, yeah, there's just collagen lining layers and layers of your blood vessels so win that collagen becomes week. Then it just starts to burst and break leaky pipe leaky pipes, and then your joints are hurting. Your muscles are tired, you're bleeding to your skin. And then you might. Go to take a bite of I don't know that stale bread or something that you've been eating for some reason and your tooth might fall out because your teeth are held into your gums and your gums are full of collagen and your gums collagen is broken down. So they're bleeding gums are bleeding, absolutely everywhere. It's horrifying. Yeah. Bleeding gums is one of the sort of hallmark signs of scurvy. So it's not really a great way to go. Are any of the diseases. We've talked about a great way to go. Would you say? Just checking. Yeah. I mean, that's that's pretty much. What Serbia's that's pretty much. How it happens? You can't make college in all of the collagen in your body starts to break down. And you bleed out you can really fun times. If you start to bleed into the sheets that surround your nerves, so your nerves are they're all they they travel in your body. Sort of bundled together nerve is a bundle of a whole bunch of like individual nerve cells, and they're usually surrounded by these sheets, and if your blood vessels start to leak all over the place in leak into those sheets, you can compress the nerves and end up with paralysis. And also a lot of pain because you're compressing these nerve fibers, so that's son. So can you you die bleeding out. Basically, that's one of the ways. Yeah. That's one of the common ways that you can die just by bleeding out. You also it's very common to die from secondary infection because vitamin c is also important in your immune system. And also collagen is just important in helping like all of your cells work properly. And so you can die by secondary infection because your body just can't fight anything off because it's just trying to keep you alive and doing a poor job of it. So yeah, scurvy. Do you have a question? I do have a question. You mentioned briefly that vitamin c is important in your immune system, all of these. And I know for a while there were so many studies and products that are related to vitamin C and your immune system that emergency package or whatever. And if you take vitamin C your cold will be shorter. What is what is the actual verdict? What would clinical trials show? Great question. Excellent question. Here's the thing about vitamin c. We know a lot about what happens when you do not have enough vitamin C. So if you have less than ten milligrams a day, then you will end up with symptoms of scurvy, and you will probably die. If you don't get access to vitamin c for prolonged period of just day. Exactly. Yeah. For a daily basis for like a month couple, months, many months. So we know that you need at least ten that's like the bare minimum beyond that. There is no evidence that increasing amounts of vitamin c are beneficial in anyway. Okay. So we know that there's a minimum that you need to have in order to function. Normally there is no evidence that taking things like emergency have any effect whatsoever on your museum. In fact, there's been many studies and analyses that show there is no additional immune-boosting effect whatsoever. Okay. So it's not gonna help you kick that cold, faster, etc. There is evidence that having like relatively low levels of vitamin C. So maybe you're above that scurvy level, but you're still kind of low level it can put you at higher risk for diseases like coronary artery disease, so it could be beneficial to have like a little more than absolutely nothing. Right. But beyond that, there's no evidence that having more than say like one hundred fifty or two hundred which was like the equivalent of eating a bell pepper a day. It's not any better. You don't there's no impact on your overall mortality? Yeah. There's not even a standard number for like the recommended daily value. It totally depends on the country. So every country has their own version of the recommended daily amount of vitamin c and it varies. Okay. Okay. But yes. So that's the best news about scurvy that it's totally preventable. And even if you end up with pretty severe symptoms like gums are bleeding. Maybe your bones are starting to go. You're bleeding into all your joints all of that is reversible. If you give the person vitamin C, so even pretty severe symptoms are totally reversible. So it's a very preventable and very treatable disease. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. So talk to me about how we figured out that scurvy was a thing in how we got to be where we are today. Stitch fix is an online personal styling service that finds delivers clothes, shoes and accessories to fit your body budget and lifestyle, I love my button up shirt, and it goes great with going to work, but also kind of like a casual slash fancy evening out yet. One of the pairs of pants that I got in my stitch fix box. 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That's stitch fix dot com slash this podcast to get started today. Stitch fixed up com slash this podcast. Suggested that we add scurvy tore list of episodes. I didn't really know what I expected to find the word scurvy reminded me of pirates and sailors and oranges. And how my mom used to tell me that I was going to get scurvy because of how much candidate. And I would only eat broccoli with cheese poured over. Okay. Two things. Deb. One nurse too. I know, but also broccoli is full of items one of the highest vegetables and to a lot of gummy candies. Have scorebig acid. Them. What's up mom? Okay. I should warn you right now, though, because I mentioned the word pirates doesn't mean that I talk a lot about pirates because I talk about sailors, and in that I include pirates, so they're just kind of lumped in with all those other ones. That's fine. Also pirates didn't really keep the best records as far as I know. I'm shocked. They just have maps right with Dotson X's. That's all they did. Yeah. Exactly x marks the spot where you'll get scurvy. Okay. But when I started my research right off the bat, I read a line that gave me an idea of just how rich and important scurvy role in history was ready. Yeah. Quote, if we exclude straightforward famine scurvy is probably the nutritional deficiency disease that has caused the most suffering in recorded history. Yeah. That was a little surprising to me. I mean, I knew scurvy must've been important, but I didn't have any idea of the scope and the scale of the history of this disease. So let me tell you tell me what start at the beginning. Scurvy is mentioned in several early texts starting as early as fifteen hundred BC in ancient Egypt. We're finally back in gentle love it in. The Ebert Ebbers. Papyrus add on how you pronounce it. The medical papyrus. It has also been found in writings from ancient India, Greece, Rome, China, etc. Dating back thousands of years for the most part. These ancient texts focus on the clinical description of scurvy and recommendations for treatment rather than identifying risk factors or any sort of pattern in disease incidence interesting, but it's pretty much certainty that the disease existed during this time due to seasonal scarcity crop failure or during times of crisis like prolonged sieges during warfare. So it's interesting that there doesn't seem to be a consistent history of the burden of scurvy throughout these early years. There could be several reasons for this, for instance, if you were in the middle of a prolonged siege with little food, you probably had multiple nutritional deficiencies and scurvy could have had different appearances depending on the exact. Conditions of your setting. But what I find really interesting about scurvy in these texts is not the apparent gap in its history, but that effective treatment for the disease was discovered. Lost rediscovered debunked rediscovered ignored rediscovered etcetera. Oh, my God for thousands of years. The actually thousands of years that ancient Egyptian papyrus that. I mentioned earlier. Yeah. It recommends a diet of fresh fruit and vegetables to cure the condition low in fifteen hundred c thirty five hundred years ago. Wow. And yet despite this knowledge millions of lives would be lost due to scurvy in those thirty five hundred years. Wow. Isn't that crazy? And he is really crazy. We'll tell you. I don't worry was going to say it's just because like nobody paid attention like that so much of ancient Egypt was lost for so long it. But. It's more complicated than that. Good. Yeah. From around the fourth century AD or so scurvy rarely shows its face in writings for about a thousand years, the fourteen hundred scurvy suddenly picks up steam and his everywhere. Can you guess why? That might be travel. Yeah. Going to get it wrong. Because people started sailing really long distances which meant potentially long periods of time without any fresh, fruit or vegetables as result descriptions of scurvy during this time and the next few hundred years focus on it as being a disease of sailors, including pirates, which would of course, complicate things when trying to identify the cause of the disease. Yeah. But I'll get to that the more that a culture or country was involved in oversea trade exploration or colonization of distantly ans- like Portugal, looking at you the more. We see scurvy descriptions, and obviously there were many names for the disease in Portugal. It was known as the curse of the mouth, for instance, bleed knows gums. We know that scurvy. Started appearing more and more in the fourteen hundred fourteen and fifteen hundreds because people were sailing longer and longer distances. But why did people start doing this? Why did they start sailing longer and longer distances? Then the simple answer is that shipbuilding technology had been greatly advanced by Portuguese sailors during that time and better ships combined with better navigation improved compasses meant that you could point in a specific direction and actually go there than just crossing your fingers and hoping for the best right? But why the surge navigational technology? There's a point to this rabbit hole. Let's take a quick look at what happened between the years thirteen fifty and fifteen hundred if you remember from the plague episode the black death took place from around thirteen forty seven thirteen fifty two during which time it wiped out a third to a half of the entire population. Of europe. As I mentioned during that episode, the consequences of such enormous population loss were incredibly far reaching before the plague most books were in Latin making them largely inaccessible to the majority of the population. But after the plague many were translated into the vernacular making education, much more widely acceptable. Also, the economy boomed because so many people suddenly had more disposable income than they knew what to do with the result of multiple inheritances from so many of their relatives dying. Oh my God. The overland silk road connecting to Africa Asia or connecting Africa, Asia and Europe was dangerous not fast enough to keep up with demand. And there were too many middlemen to pay for your goods to be delivered. This created a demand for an alternate route between Asia and Europe, which led people to the sea to venture on these long voyages with no end in sight during these long months at sea, sailors, primarily survived on preserved rations stopping occasionally to restock their stores, but the lack of fresh vegetables and fruit led the way to huge increase in scurvy, Portugal lead the world in these long voyages, and so it's in the journals and ship logs of those sailors that we see scurvy debilitate and destroy a ship's crew as it would for the next four hundred years from the black death to economic boom and technological development to exploration to scurvy. Everything is connected. My. Isn't that thrilling his awesome? I mean, it's a it's a really simplification of things many factors till that's why love historical context. Everything is stinking connected. I'd love this so much, and I feel like I really wish that when I had taken history for most my entire life up to this point that any teacher, I had ever did things like this like it's just so I mean, it's so it's so silly to study things in isolation. Yeah. I agree. Even scurvy even the black death, all of these things everything can rate shipbuilding technology who knew that had a linked to the black death or scurvy. Yeah. Inheritance time. Like course it does. Because everything is connected. And like to see those connections is awesome. Yeah. Oh, that is so cool back to scurvy scurvy is beginning to be mentioned more and more as a problem on these ozanich voyages, but exactly how. Big of a problem was it. Let's see this by the numbers Vasko to Gumma was a famous Portuguese navigator who side note died of malaria and was also a really big a whole check out his Wikipedia page, if you're bored sometimes. During his circumnavigation of Africa. Tagami lost thirty men out of a crew of one hundred forty two scurvy, and it's very and be a little higher, actually. Okay. And only a handful could operate the ships during times when everyone like seven or eight could operate the ships out of his whole crew. 'cause they everyone else was sick scurvy. So even those who didn't die pretty much everyone had okay? The numbers would have been a lot higher if they hadn't stopped for some oranges Mombasa. Another name that you may have heard of is Ferdinand Magellan. Yes. Are you Gelin? I'm Gelin like Magellan looking Yellen. He's so not gelling. I'm gelling gelling anyway. Anyway, so Magellan also a famous Portuguese explorer is probably most famous for his attempt of circumnavigate, the globe his ships made it he didn't he was killed in the conflict in the Philippines. But along the way seventy six men out of the two hundred thirty seven that started the journey died of scurvy in an English expedition in seventeen forty to capture a Spanish treasure ship pirates. I'm sorry. I'll stop there. Fires. Eight hundred fifty five men out of one thousand sailors died of scurvy died of scurvy eight hundred and fifty five thousand. Eighty five point five percent, very high. Holy cow. An English sea-captain named sir. Peter Hawkins in fifteen ninety said that during the twenty years he worked at sea. He could count at least ten thousand sailors that had died from scurvy during the age of exploration. So between fifteen hundred eighteen hundred roughly an estimated two million sailors died of the disease. Oh my God. It's big. I had no idea. Yeah. Side note, hashtag, not all sailors. Not everyone who went on his voyages died of scurvy, captain cook. For instance, constantly restocked his ships with fresh fruit and vegetables, where wherever they stopped, and I think he had just like one case of scurvy. Wow. Screw wow. Yeah. And just because you were on land during this time. Didn't mean you were safe from scurvy, in fact, around the same time that people started sailing these long distances they started to settle in unfamiliar far off lands where they didn't really know how to survive, for instance, in the first year of the English settlement of Jamestown in Virginia. Many people died of scurvy along with many other illnesses and just straight up starvation of the five hundred that arrived in August of sixteen o nine only sixty were left alive in may sixteen ten oh less later. Holy cow. Jamestown was almost like almost failed completely allow several French expeditions to the great white north of Canada. Also debilitated by scurvy when they stayed too long and head to over winter in Quebec and around there is that where our first hand account came from. No, our first hand account came from California goldrush. If you're interested in this. You can read all about these expeditions. And so so so many more that we just don't have time for in Kenneth carpenters. The history of scurvy in vitamin c. Clearly scurvy had become a pretty big problem in a short amount of time. And it's impact was only continuing to grow, especially as commercial shipping increase throughout the sixteen seventeen hundreds with so many lives, aka wealth at stake. Finding a cure preventative for scurvy was a pretty pressing matter. Yeah. And you would think based on the fact that valid remedies had been written about thousands of years before. Yeah. And that many people on these voyages reported getting instantly better after landing somewhere and eating fruits and vegetables for the first time in ten weeks that the issue of prevention or treatment would be more about the logistics of keeping these fresh fruits on board rather than actually densify ING what it was that would stop scurvy outbreak. Yeah. But I'm I'm guessing it's not from your tone. No. There was still no consensus amongst physicians and ship captains on what was the best anti score Buick. But before we dismiss them as being stupid, or initative, whatever let's consider how these scurvy patterns would have appeared. Okay. I 'cause. If your ship captain, you notice that after weeks and weeks at sea, your crew has bleeding and swollen gums and their legs are full of source. Yeah. You think well, it's probably because they're lazy. They're not moving around. And plus there's that stagnant damp dank air in the ship's belly. Okay. Probably not helping things probably true. Plus, if you're diet is extremely limited for a long period of time, you're probably suffering from a number of different nutritional deficiencies in addition to scurvy, which makes these disease symptoms inconsistent. Okay. From case to case and from ship to ship and journey journey by that, okay? Now treatment you get to land begin to chat down on the food. That's newly available because you're really tired of the same salted meat and porridge or whatever. Suddenly everyone starts to rapidly. Improve scurvy gone might be the air on land is different. You think back to what you're captain pal has said about the. Restorative powers of citrus. And you're like, oh, okay. That could be it. But are take some back with us before we set off again. And you do you tell your crew to you one limited day until you run out, but you do run out and scurvy doesn't immediately reappear. In fact, it takes weeks before it starts to creep back. Okay. So maybe it's not the citrus necessarily that prevents scurvy, but you're not completely willing to give it up. So the next time you set off on an expedition, you try to find a way to bring citrus fruit with you storing crates of fresh fruit onboard isn't a realistic solution since they would all spoil before you got to your destination. Yeah. So maybe you make a drink out of it to store it, but you have to preserve in some way like maybe boil it. So the next time you go you bring barrels of boiled lemon drink which little do, you know is actually useless against scurvy because the boiling actually inactivates the vitamin C does. Guys does when your crew gets sick from scurvy, even well, drinking, the lemon juice like well, okay? I guess it's not citrus and the links between what caused scurvy what prevented it and what treated it? They just weren't very straightforward. All right throw into that defect. That scurvy was also successfully treated by certain plants and the consumption of fresh meat, and you can see why it remains such a mystery and problem for so long, even with all this knowledge. It's interesting though, that in Egypt their remedy was just a blanket fresh fruits and vegetables, which is more broad, right? We're not trying to get. So specific like you need to have a citrus fruit. It's interesting, but I buy I guess they're just like it's hard. It's interesting. And it's I mean, I do think I do think that we have a tendency to look back negatively on the observation powers. Sure people and I think that's not fair necessarily. Considering the context in which they live, right? Yeah. And I really I think the way that you put it in context is really it makes it a lot more clear. So thank you. But people had to do something money and goods, I mean lives are being lost. In walks James Lind, an officer in the British Royal Navy who in the seventeen hundreds decides to run a clinical trial for scurvy curative. Oh my gosh. Wow. Very exciting. Yeah. I'm not sure that it would pass a medical review board today. That's not really the issue. They usually wouldn't know one group of men with scurvy would be given oranges and lemons another apple cider and a third nothing. Okay. And there were other treatments in there as well. As you might predict the ones who ate the oranges and lemons recovered, the fastest followed by the apple cider group and the third group just didn't get better. Did they eventually give them oranges? Or did. They know. This was a pretty resounding answer though to how to prevent scurvy. Yeah. Eat citrus. Yeah. Lind wrote up his results and thoughts which were widely read it would take about forty years for his advice to be heated in the late seventeen. Hundreds the practice of providing lime or lemon juice to British sailors began, hence, the nickname limi- a slow the words for lemon lime were interchangeable both in English and many other. Yeah. Languages as we have Lima Lima. We've learned. I have a question. Yeah. You keep saying that they would eat lemons. Uh-huh. Would they use like Chow Dona? We're lemons different back, then because I cannot imagine just showing down on Levin mostly it would be like lemon juice would do. So they would maybe add sugar or okay? Yeah. I was just picturing them like here. Son, chewy lemon. And I was like, wow, people were bowled back. Then. So even though sailors were being given lemon lime juice. This didn't really mean that scurvy disappeared at all throughout the eighteen hundreds. It's still popped up on some of the ships that were giving their crew lemon juice mostly because during the preparation the vitamin C was inactivated in some way. But it also started appearing more and more on land in prisons, for instance, where certain prisoners were denied potatoes. And onions, I don't know why in California gold rush country like our firsthand account. So if you wanted to try your hand at gold prospecting, you had to either travel by land in a wagon across the entire US. You could travel by sea from port like Boston all the way around the tip of South America and back up or you could take a boat down to Panama and walk across the narrowest part of the country. There was no canal yet and then. You would take a boat on the? Up to northern California. Wow. But basically the journey was very long in scurvy was almost inevitable. And if you didn't come down with scurvy on your way to California, you were sure to get it. Once you were there that part of California was fairly remote at that time with few farms so gold miners, mostly eight flap Jackson, the Lassus. Yeah. Forty nine five jacks. That's the thing. If you wanted to eat onions or potatoes get ready to fork over all of the goal that you found. That's so man capitalism. Right starts way. Back win. Scurvy was also really common in many Arctic and Antarctic expeditions unless they found enough seals or penguins to eat as long as they ate the meat mostly raw. Unlike humans, not all animals as we mentioned have to acquire the vitamin C through diet. And so if you ate the flesh of these animals that producer vitamin c like many people who actually who are native to those parts of the world. They would just eat raw or bare league. Barely cooked. Yeah. Meat and beautifully vitamin C sear on that penguin breasts. So you need very cool. I like that a lot. Also during the great famine in Ireland in eighteen forties. Scurvy appeared alongside starvation since the potato crop, which had failed was the usual source of vitamin c for those populations in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds scurvy starts appearing unexpectedly in a strange population babies born to wealthy families. Oh, oh, I know exactly where this is going from. Basically these mothers weren't choosing to breastfeed. And instead they gave their children formula, which they could afford to buy mixed in with milk, which had been pasteurized and vitamin C inactivated. Yeah. In the past these mothers would have given their infant to a wet nurse. So they would have gotten vitamin C that way. Yeah. 'cause you your breast milk is full of vitamin c. Yeah. As long as the mother has adequate vitamin c intake. Amidst all these outbreaks of land scurvy was a renewed interest in finding out what the cause of the disease really was and people had some nifty new ideas. In most of the episodes of this podcast. This is when germ theory pops up as a shining beacon to light the way for vaccines and antibiotics but not so for scurvy. No, not so no because scurvy is an infectious disease. Yeah. But that's not what a handful of people thought in the mid eighteen hundreds fine. So when germ theory began to catch on. Pause for laughter. Sorry. It was trendy to call every disease contagious love this. Isn't it? Amazing. Yeah. But it also I do feel like to their credit scurvy has a lot of symptoms that I would totally believe seem infectious, right? Bleeding from your gums. You've got these sources and source everywhere. Like that totally looks infect and you can often get secondary infections on top of it. So well and also doesn't usually happen to just one person. Yes, that's true. Yeah. It's groups of people. Yeah. For instance. The guy who showed that to regular was contagious. His name is Jean Antoine via mean, I don't know. He says name said quote scurvy is a contagious maya's them comparable to typhus which occurs. An epidemic form when people are closely congregated in large groups, it is ridiculous to suppose that a lack of fresh vegetables is the cause of the disease. And we're laughing sorry from laundry fifty years later. No. I mean, yes, we're laughing you? But also, it's cute way. Sure. Another person suggested that lime juice was affective because it acted as an antibacterial mouthwash. I love that. These opinions were in the minority. But it just speaks to the fact that there was still active debate on the cause and thus the treatment of scurvy viewing disease as a deficiency rather than as a positive state was a really difficult thing for people to conceptualize, especially when everyone was looking for the thing, pathogen toxin, whatever that actively caused disease. It was way pastime for some real experiments to begin. Fortunately in the nineteen hundreds experimental studies of scurvy, became popular and more importantly possible. Thanks to a very lucky choice of animal model. Oh my God. I was just going to say how could they have done? Did. They just happen to choose Guinea pigs. Yeah. Are you serious? Okay. Okay. So there's a reason behind this is I I am amazed right now because our animals a freaking Guinea pig. You choose home. I gosh. I don't remember. If we've talked about what animal models are before in this podcast. I don't know we've kind of mentioned them, but we haven't explained them necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, basically in medical research, if you're trying to learn more about human disease or treatment for a disease. You can't really do a lot of experimental research on humans directly. So it's really important to have an animal in which the disease act similar to the way. It doesn't. Humans. Yeah. Anyway, the issue of an appropriate animal model for scurvy had come up before. Because as I mentioned some animals can synthesize their own vitamin C. So rats had been a popular lab animal at this time lab rats and pigeons, actually, but lab rats were viewed as like in infection carrying and gross like the tide had turned against rats around this time, and they were really gross. But Guinea pigs have started to be imported as pets for children and his little just cute things. And so possibly lab animals. Oh, my God says some guy named axel Holst somewhat randomly chose a Guinea pig as a model for scurvy, and it just happened to work the amount of coincidence in science and scientific discoveries is finan. Comino? Yeah. So now the experiments could begin and they would show that scurvy was directly related to diet and fresh fruits vegetables, raw milk, some kinds of meat prevented scurvy. The are so many important names that contributed to this research, but I wanna quickly shout out Dr Harriet chick who's lab in London consisted almost exclusively a women because all men were at army labs during World War One. I love it and her research show that the amount of raw milk fed to a Guinea pig determined whether or not the animal would get scurvy. Wow. Harry yet harriett. So they knew what scurvy. So they knew that scurvy was related to diet. But what was the unifying thing in all of these anti scrupulous foods, vitamin C, which at that point was still unknown. Yeah. It was just called vitamin C because vitamin A and B. I had already been found as attritional factors which that were necessary for the growth of rats, wait survey just found these compounds. And they just were like, okay, we'll how this vitamin A, and we'll call this when vitamin B N. So with this when they were trying to figure out scurvy. They were just like, we know it's something different. So we're going to call it vitamin C. But we have no idea what it is. I was just a numbering system and naming system for things they don't know. Yeah. That's amazing. I think a and b might have been known. I'm not sure about. Yeah. See was not that is so whole Larrea. Yeah. In nineteen thirty a Hungarian chemist named Albert sent Georgi isolated a compound, which was later name. A scorebig acid also anti score Buick scorebig. You just blew my what's up. That was discovered to be the vitamin C that so many people had been looking for which would get him a Nobel prize actually for that effort. Now that the compound was isolated and described affirma- cynical company immediately took out patents to commercially produce vitamin, of course, make a fortune one. But eventually access to Venemen see became very cheap and easy. And it's also in a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables. Yeah. Didn't you figure that out pretty quickly? They were like, oh, this is in tons of everything that right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. It was mostly was testing these these foods. Okay. For that. They were all found relatively quickly. The throughout once once item and see was discovered though cases of scurvy really dropped off. And they were a few cases here and there with a fad diet were you just drink green tea for. That's it and Honey or something tea and fen fan baby. No my God. But I'm guessing that scurvy didn't completely disappear. So Erin, tell me where do we stand with scurvy today? I loved to. They're basically are no solid numbers on how many cases of scurvy exist in the world in twenty eight twenty seventeen or twenty six senior the two thousands for that matter. Okay. So it's a radically. It's definitely not a ready. I really feel. I've said this on a few episodes already this season. I really tried hard to find numbers on this. I couldn't everyone if you're playing a drinking game that's related to the podcast. That's one of the roles. Yeah. Anyways. CDC WHO FDA. They all failed me, nobody has numbers fighting. Yeah. I'm I'm ready to fight some of. And I I have a feeling that it's in large part because because this is a disease that is so easily treatable and preventable. It's not reportable in any real way. Right. It's not something that people are necessarily keeping tabs on at national or international levels. Okay. That doesn't mean that it's gone when you search for epidemiological information on the status of scurvy. What you find are tons like dozens, and dozens of case reports case reports are win physicians after they see a case of something that they don't see very often, they write it up. But I found lots of lots of them all of the US all over Australia Europe. This is happening. Not just in places that we in the US might think sound far away this even happens in the United States. Even as recently as the last few. Two years this year. I'm sure there's been cases of scurvy, but the real question that that remains about scurvy isn't even necessarily how many cases there are. But why these cases are happening because we know exactly what the causes. We know exactly how to prevent entreated. And it's very easy. You don't even need any drugs. You just need a bell pepper or potato or an orange or a piece of broccoli. Right. Right. That's all it takes. What is standing in the way of people getting having access to that kind of food or supplement in another way. Exactly. And so that's really what it comes down to is for the most part. The people who end up getting scurvy have a lack of access. So scurvy tends to still happen today in modern times in populations like refugee populations that might not have access to any fresh fruits or vegetables and have a very limited diet in terms of what they can access and what they're able to eat because they might be getting. Food in like bags from organizations that send them to them right or things like that. Or they might just have severe malnutrition to begin with and so- scurvy is very very common. Like, you kind of mentioned. It's very very common syndrome that comes along with generalized, malnutrition, right? And part of that is because since vitamin C. You can't store it in your body for very long. It's it's not one of the first things necessarily that you'll end up like dying from, but it is something that relatively early on like within a month or two of having not in a food. You can end up with scurvy of scurvy the other populations that it can happen to our lower income populations that can't afford fresh fruits and vegetables because the thing about vitamin C is that it breaks down relatively easily. So even if you're eating foods that in theory have vegetables. In them, if they are all canned foods, or they're all microwaved to oblivion then you're not actually getting any of the vitamin C that might be in those foods. So even though you're eating a can of chicken tortilla soup that has bell peppers in it, you're not getting any of that vitamin c from those Bill peppers. And that's an actual real case that I found in Houston of a woman who was eating only chicken tortilla soup to try and lose weight and she ended up with scurvy diagnosed in Houston couple years ago, trying to wait. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so so there's kind of we've already hit on to population. Just one kind of soup one soup. Did she say why she chose that particular soup? What brand quote chicken soup? So I got for you. Anyways. Yeah. Eat your vegetables. Yeah. I mean, that's sort of the the long and short of it. Yes. We can happen in low income populations. It can happen in displaced populations. It can happen. Also in populations maybe with mental illnesses who aren't eating who maybe who aren't eating at all who or who aren't eating fresh, fruits and vegetables. Maybe they're only eating toast, or they're only drinking something or whatever. Right. Yes. There are definitely still populations both in this country in every country. Definitely is still an issue. It still happens. The only numbers that I saw some articles claimed that the overall rates of scurvy or of vitamin c deficiency rather not of scurvy necessarily could be anywhere from two percent or seven percent in countries like the US to up to forty five percent in in other countries and the other population. In that it can happen to is children whether because they're very picky eaters, or because they also don't have access to foods that are fresh. I also read something speaking populations bachelor scurvy. Was some attorney that was used frequently. And this was to refer to old older men, lived alone or widower scurvy who lived alone, and this was largely in like the early nineteen hundreds and just did not need any fresh food. They just eight. Yeah. Yeah. It definitely is an older populations are especially at risk for sure because they might not be eating much at all. Right. As you age might be like your metabolism slows down. You're just not hungry. You're tired or you also if you aren't working, you might not have a lot of money, etc. So you're eating things that. Yeah. So it's definitely I haven't heard the term bachelor scurvy. Yeah. But yeah, it definitely that's a population. That would definitely be at risk for scurvy and one thing that I found interesting is that. Clearly, scurvy still happens. Rain scurvy, still happens everywhere. All it takes is just not eating fruits and vegetables. So he's not hard to get scurvy. If you think about someone only eating like, toast and rice or something like that or to Suzy can Giorgia soup. Whatever. Yes. So that's scurvy in the world today. Wow. Okay. Very interesting. Yeah. I had fun doing this. I love this that it was a really fun departure. I loved seeing germ theory from the other side. Yeah. We've never seen that yet. How fun and I'm sorry. There weren't more pirates. You know, I made them enough. I just can't shoving the pirates. I mean, the thing is is that pirates were just a part of all of that the sailors if you wanna read about sailor's pirates. Let's talk about sources. Let's okay. Great transition by. So I read a book by Kenneth carpenter, which I mentioned earlier called the history of scurvy in vitamin c it is extensively. Well, researched is great. It's a really thorough book. Also history of scurvy vitamin C by Howard, celebrate in the book, vitamin c in health and disease. The Cambridge will history of human disease and then a couple of articles which will post. Yes, we will post all of articles that we use on our website. This podcast will kill you dot com. You can find those under our episodes tab each episode. We have all of our booklets and our article lists. If you are for some reason, especially interested in any of the case reports shoot us an Email at this podcast will kill you at gmaiLcom. And I'd be happy to send you those. You also can find us on Twitter at teepee w k y and this podcast will kill you on Instagram where we post lots of pictures and cool stuff that we find about each episode. Thank you to blood mobile for providing the music for this episode and all of our episodes. We love it and thanks to you for listening. Yeah. We really like making this hot cast, and it makes us happy that we're not the only ones who listen to ourselves. Talking. Yeah. Until next time wash your hands and eat a bell pepper.

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BOX197: Kyle Was A Misunderstood Seaman

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BOX197: Kyle Was A Misunderstood Seaman

"If you would like to support the box of oddities we would be attorney. Grateful become a premium subscriber though to the box of oddities dot com and get signed up. You will get add free episodes. You'll get a day early. You'll get a bonus episode every month and you'll get access to the box of oddities backchannel direct contact to us and we appreciate needed so much. What follows may not be suitable for all audiences listener discretion is advised? The world is full of stories Stories of mysteries of curiosities. Join and through Gilligan. Tov for the strange the boozers the unexpected as the bid Ed and obviously pure inside the box auditees. So anyway how we're recording these episodes in advance dance because we're going to be on the road for a couple of weeks and a period at that time we are going to be on a cruise and it's just about the same time the bonus episode is do or close to it for the premium channel for those of you who support the box of. He's one of the things that we thought we might do is is. We're GONNA take our recording equipment on the ship and just interview drunk people. Do you mean US yes exactly. Yes and anybody else that might happen to stumble across our pal. I hadn't intended on top. Don't WanNa talk to him during the entire crews well. I'm sure that I I signed up. I'm sure we'll be drinking enough for everyone at all. Yeah so I wanted to give you a fair warning because it probably by the time. This episode is airing. We will be on the cruise ship doing doing exactly that. You have time if you experience that to support the box varieties by joining the premium channel. Two the box of oddities dot com and click on the link This is probably a bonus episode that you won't want to miss and then after you hear it you'll think why the held I do that. Yeah no you'll be fine. Okay whatever so I go I today for some reason I was thinking. Think about a time not too long ago a few years ago where I installed one of those direct. TV or dish net- satellite dishes by myself. I think it was probably a while ago. Oh it was. It was many years ago and I decided I'd save the Thirty Bucks and do it myself and in reading up about it. I realized that If you're one quarter inch off on your alignment with the satellite and the dish you will miss the satellite by something like nine hundred miles right. Just a small tiny miniscule mistake. trigonometry is amazing over a period of time can cause huge huge repercussions passions. Absolutely so I thought I would do a couple of stories based on that people that did little things that you didn't think we're going to make a big difference but if I- fact but made need a huge fucking difference that according to an article published by CNBC and a report published by the Telegraph. There's this guy named James Howell he lived within the United Kingdom He was an IT worker probably still is in two thousand nine just as a curiosity he started mining. bitcoin joins okay all right. And this was a new thing. And bitcoin's worth nothing at the time and he mind for a while and and then in two thousand thirteen. He stopped mining the laptop that he was using he spilled something on it and Brune that the laptop so he pulled out the hard drive thinking that the bitcoins that he had mind maybe one day would be worth something so he threw the hard drive in the drawer and saved it the rest of the PC he. He parted out he just sold on ebay piece by piece however later that year he was cleaning his house and cleaned out that drawer and he mistakenly through the hard drive away in it ended up in a landfill in Newport south Wales where it it got buried with all the other garbage share now. I don't I know that much about bitcoin. Doesn't it live like in a in the sky. The cloud thing right yeah. It doesn't have to stay on your person and not now back then in two thousand nine you know during that period of time storing it on on the cloud probably seemed risky as far as security. Ah at the time for for a lot of people. So he thought it'd be safer just to keep it on his his hard drive so years later he He he was on an article about a guy who forgot. He had a few BITCOINS and turned out to be worth quite a bit of money so he went to look for the hard hard drive and then realize Oh my God I threw it out. Share a number of years ago on that hard drive or seventy five hundred bitcoins as of the recording of this episode. Bitcoin is valued today which is what the twenty third of January Nineteen nineteen twenty two hundred twenty. It's worth eighty four hundred bucks per coin. Howls seventy five hundred loss? BITCOINS are worth sixty. Three marine million dollars and it somewhere in this landfill in Newport South Wales with more than seven years worth have garbage poured on top of it now since he made this mistake which makes of course any potential recovery challenging share a significant undertaking according to CNBC a modern landfill of course a complex engineering project and digging one up brings all sorts. It's of environmental issues. Dangerous Gases potential landfill fires. It's very big and expensive and risky. Actually really we had a fire at our local landfill. A few a few years ago trash mountain. Oh yes trash mountain. The second time we've brought up trash mountain there was a tear in like a rubber membrane that covered an old section of the landfill. And some guy thought it'd be a good idea to to heal that tear there with a blow torch Sir Knighted. The methane gases in it blew up trash mountain. and Oh my God that smell bad for about about six months it was just awful. When was this because I don't recall that at all? This would've been two thousand five or six Ryan of that time that year so anyway if he wants to try you wanted to try to dig his hard drive out of this you know tons and tons of of Trash Newport city councils at this point won't allow it. He he did an interview with the website wired and the council spokesman said that their offices have been contacted in the past about the possibility of retrieving a it hardware piece that contains bitcoins but he said digging up in store. Digging up storing bring in treating the waste could cause a huge environmental impact on the surrounding area it reportedly this particular landfill. Reportedly contains three eight hundred. Fifty thousand tons of trash and fifty thousand more times are added every single year. Yeah no I don't think I think that it's sixty three million bucks though. At least today I mean it could go up and down does go way up way down. It's pretty likely according to officials also that This piece of of hardware probably has suffered quote significant Gal galvanic corrosion GALVANIC GALVANIC or galvanic. I don't know I don't know where to put the emphasis on that ongoing with galvanic are significant galvanic corrosion due to due to the presence in the landfill of Lee Jason Gas's share so even if they found the thing pretty good chance it's not going to be able to all this time and and with all that business going on in a landfill I can't imagine I think it's best that you just move on. The operation would also require especially especially created construction vehicles. That would cost millions of dollars to actually create and while howls the guy. Hi who through the hard drive away has the financial backing in place to fund this effort. According to wired he needs permission in the landfill at this point saying in new of course as you mentioned cloud based services are now available and prevent physically losing the hardware we're bitcoins are stored but there's still a a few reasons to be wary of crypto currencies. Some experts fear. It could be outlawed at some point. I just don't understand like who would and finance that dig and I what if it is found it's damaged. Who pays that money back and who I is it is is it an investment in maybe question mark or I mean 'cause Lau well as I said today as the recording of this episode it's worth about eighty four four hundred dollars per bitcoin? It wasn't long ago. It was worth seventeen thousand just a few months ago allow so it's come way down. It's gone all the way over to twenty thousand. Yeah at one point. But it's very volatile Howell. Says that even though they won't let him search word if somebody stumbles across it he would give give them a nice percentage like one hundred percent because they stumbled. Well you gotTa do what you gotTa do found the story on. NPR Guy named Dennis dickey he was going to have a baby he and his wife and he wanted to do one of those stupid gender. Reveal things everybody hates. Would you stop not everyone hates. It's them some people really enjoy them and it's a special time in people's lives and they want to celebrate it with people. I just don't think anything good can come from a gender reveal party and here's a great example. Sometimes there's cake like why V he's a thirty seven year old border patrol agent and he's from from Tucson Arizona. His gender reveal party was going to be different unusual he bought a target. That had a chemical in it called hauled tanner right and when you shoot the target explodes in a different color. Yeah okay when shot with a high power rifle. The company says on its Website Produces water vapor and thunder as boom and. Then they sell as an eighty-five package. Different colors for the gender reveal pinker blue. Which one is which that's up to you? Are you think so dicky goes out into the desert and he fires a shot at the tonight target ultimately it caused a huge explosion and started a fire that spread and resulted in damaging more than forty five five thousand acres of land managed by the State of Arizona and the US Forest Service. The Land Bureau the Bureau of Land Management and various private landholders olders forty-five thousand acres to his credit. He immediately reported the fire to law enforcement and he helped him he he. He cooperated admitted added that he had started the fire. He also caught. The blast on Phil. Geez is going to be a great youtube video. We're were they having like a gathering. Do you know about the situation that this was. I mean yes. He wasn't alone no no he had a group of people and it was a little you know as his gender under reveal party. I'm guessing alcohol may have been involved maybe not with him. He was handling firearms. I don't know but ultimately the target exploded and burned up forty five five thousand acres. That's terrible eight. Hundred firefighters finally managed to get it contained after two weeks. Wow hot it cost more than eight million dollars dickey has agreed to pay restitution according to the US attorney remains unclear. If he has to pay the full amount local media reports that in a plea agreement he has agreed to pay one hundred thousand dollars up front and another one hundred. Were twenty thousand dollars in monthly installments of five hundred bucks over the next two decades until his his kid is twenty. Wow I would make the kids start right paying for it at eighteen. This is your fault. Yeah he's also he also five years probation and has to appear you're in a public service announcement for four service. Which I'm sure he's happy to do? Yeah that's wow. That's terrible that he's GonNa resent that kids so much. He sounds like a pretty reasonable. It's probably not. I'm projecting onto him because you resent your children. Well No but if they burn burn forty five thousand dollars of the Beautiful Suara national story about one of your children's starting a fire in the beautiful Suara Valley in Arizona. It's actually true it's actually true. Yeah yeah he did. Yeah he's like I think he was like eight or nine years old and the neighborhood kid found a can of like butane and they decided to make a campfire and we had to go stop that out before burned everything up his punishment. Should I talk about what his punishment was punishment. Yes all right. There were a bunch of loose rocks. All over our property in in Tucson and there was a a large planter in front of our house which was empty so I made him fill that that plant or up with all the rocks in our yard. It took him like three days and then when he was done and he did it and then when he was done I said good. Now put them all back. He never said another fire now. Of course no. Now Tell me more of your child abuse. Ah according to crack another good example of this kind of thing is time that a fifteen year old decided to hurl a firecracker into a dry ravine at the Columbia River Gorge Gorge national scenic area during a statewide burn ban This is in British Columbia. For why well. He just wanted to throw a firecracker a crack he's fifteen the fire engulfed over one hundred. Twenty one hundred twenty one square mile zone of forest chryst caused thirty seven million dollars worth of damage and there is a video on youtube. That's like a time lapse video and it starts out with smoke doc. In a little corner of like this mountain range and then within fifteen seconds of this time lapse the entire mountain ranges ablaze ace. In an article published in the Colombian Hood River County Circuit Judge John Olson issued an opinion awarding the restitution total of thirty six million six hundred eighteen thousand three hundred thirty three dollars and twenty four cents to cover the cost of firefighting repair and restoration to the gorge and damages. Damages to home a homes victims include the. US Forest Department and the Oregon Department of Transportation. The fifteen in your old from Vancouver was told to pay nearly thirty seven million dollars in restitution. Wow thirty seven million million yup. The the judge's order notes that the boy can set up a payment plan. This is a lot of a lot of lawns. Demo- you know so when you think about it. Holy Shit payments he says can be halted after ten years as long as he complies completes his probation and doesn't committed any other crimes. I think that's a good rule. Yeah that seems fair with the boys lawyers said here urges for a quote reasonable and rational penalty. He calling thirty seven million dollars sought a bit of an absurd amount for a child. The restitution is solely the responsibility of the team not his parents who came to the US from the from Ukraine. Oh Wow about that. So he's fifteen. Let's say he. He gets caught shoplifting. He's done you'll be working for the government forever. And he lives to be seventy five eighty five. Okay so we'll say eighty five so divine of my seventy and that was monthly payments that he could set up I believe so yes. s twenty two. So it's about forty four thousand one dollars a month for the rest of them. He needs to keep his class mass or five happened anyway. Be careful when you make a small mistake. The end result could be catastrophic or it could be great. We don't know right. Maybe it's like one of those situations where you happen to put mustard powder in to Shampoo bottle and Blaine. You've got the cure for polio. In the middle. Today's thing in the middle comes once again from our freaks box of oddities group Shannon asked. What's your favorite memory or childhood memory? Rather that's not a quote normal memory mine. When I was three to eight years old we lived in an apartment in a house that was sectioned off as upstairs downstairs and my mom's first cousin and her husband and two slightly older than me? Kids live downstairs. I don't know how or why it started but my younger brother and I used to pop off the heating vent covers and sit on the edge with our feet dangling inside. Think Eight by eight or whatever. The older style. Oil was one day as we played with cars or crayons but whose real name is dustin but no one ever called him that stood up and promptly crashed through the floor in into the downstairs living room where the whole family was watching the simpsons but was about to at that point. He had no injuries. No bruises even even Several scratches were very superficial. Mom went running because she assumed bud was dead and or mangled I stuck my head through the hole to watch Jodi and the whole fam. We're on the cusp of shitting bricks. And there's Bud giggling he doesn't remember but I sure do what amazes me about that story. Issue Remembers what they were watching on. TV So the question. What's your favorite childhood memory? That's not a normal memory. Connie writes my mom passed passed away when I was ten. She had breast cancer in those days. They didn't do reconstruction shows so she had a prosthetic breast more than once during Saturday mornings my my sister and I would pile into my mom's bed and she would play catch with us using her fake boob sweet. Thanks for the memories number three amy rights. When I was a small child we lived in a modest apartment with a tiny bathroom? The way that the toilet was installed. The door could not open open so the quote unquote architect cut a crescent shaped hole in the door so it could clear the bowl when it opened and if you think children peeking through the keyhole is bad. Yeah try taking a poop with toddlers face sticking through a gaping hole in the door he s I was that toddler number Knbr to Ashley writes Grew up in a very small town. Where my GRANDPA owned a hardware store slash carpet slash paint store slash funeral home seriously seriously? Sometimes you'd have to travel to bring back a deceased for the funeral and burial an often. He'd take my cousin and I along for a ride. I loved when my mom would get off the phone own and ask you WANNA go with GRANDPA to pick up a body. I love it and number. One Super Sweet Linda writes I. I was in kindergarten. Way Back in the early seventies when children walked to school without their parents it was also the end of winter and there was a huge puddle of melted snow and I thought I could walk at the edge of it but I fell in a boy from eighth grade. Came over picked me up soaking wet and carried me all the way back home and delivered me to my mom. Aw I didn't know him and I don't think I ever saw him again. That's pretty great. Isn't that sweet reminds me a lot of the time that I accidents ingested some drugs and I got a my pants came off then A boy at this party that that I was at that I didn't know he was older brother of a boy that I went there was in my class. took me into the bedroom of the the helm that we we were at. I don't know these people and talked me into bed like a little Burrito and said you stay here and then locked the door from the inside side and left. I don't know this kid but he probably saved my ass. Yep Yep Rando Kid who saved cat's ask appreciate it. The box of oddities with cat and JETHRO Gilligan. I've noticed that you've been extremely selective in your I will frames and how many different frames do you have with your prescription glasses. I have three and they're all. Were Parker glasses. I Love Them. They've got these really cool styles. It's almost like a rebellious meets vintage. Look it is very cool. I'm in bed at like nine nine most nights so if I'm GONNA be rebellious it's with my I wear. I wear with a purpose. What war re Parker is almost one billion people a worldwide by the way lack access to glasses and that means fifteen percent of a global population cannot effectively learn or work? This is one of the things we love. 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That's well that's not necessarily surly true could have written about talks a lot about a lot of large rodents through. That's very turn usual size. You know what I'm getting at is that we don't create our own vitamin C.. Interesting yes most mammals. Do we going to do a scurvy store. We're talking about scurvy. Curvy scurvy scurvy. So I sent a message to some of my friends and I was like real quick. Don't look it up. Don't don't think too much about it. Send me quickly right now. Quick quick what do you know about scurvy and everyone just wrote back pirates. Let's all right. Yes absolutely scurvy doc. Great Sir so. The majority of animals and plants are able to synthesize vitamin C. They're able to make themselves however some mammals have lost that ability and notably Simians and tar sears. That's that includes us. We do not make our own vitamin C we need to consume it and when we don't scurvy happens now yes pirates frequently experienced in the old days old S- curve. Yeah it's not just pirates. No no no but any any seagoing people back in the day. In fact a was the British navy the discovered it was a vitamin C deficient. Well actually they discovered that if they ate limes or citrus fruit it would cure scurvy. Well they actually didn't discover that they that's fine. They discovered it themselves go. I had a learner's earned it teach me about scurvy. I'll just sit back here. And that's that's where the term Limi- comes from the end boxes. Walks of is brought to you twice a week. We are awfully territorial when it comes to scurvy skirts so scurvy Yes is a disease resulting from the lack of vitamin C and sailors of centuries past suffered often because they didn't eat You Know Vitamin C.. Containing foods namely citrus. So it takes about a month of little to no vitamin C intake before symptoms start to occur and this was not a small problem it was in tents in fact people. Well who what's the. What's the term booked out? Ship goings anticipated that fifty percent went of the ship goers would kick it because of survey scurvy. It was just fifty percent of probably GonNa make it built that into the equation. Built it in a while. Yup No that between the year fifteen hundred and the year eighteen hundred an estimated two million sailors sailors died from scurvy between what years fifteen and eighteen hundred. Oh two million and at that time think of the population at that time. That's let's to millions a good chunk so that time period called the age of sail and it was a period roughly corresponding to the early leave modern period where international trade and naval warfare where it was a big thing. Lots of sailing was going on at that time. Lots of people dying dying due to scurvy. It was an incredible problem and science journalist. Catherine Price wrote in her book According onto historian Stephen Brown scurvy was responsible for more deaths at sea than storms and shipwrecks and combat and all other diseases combined according to real clear science dot Com British. Commodore George Anson his celebrated voyage around the world hold it earned him fame and fortune but it also resulted in the death of sixty five percent of his crew. Thirteen hundred sailors. Mike Mike God most of them scurvy just on that one voyage the The book that Kathryn Price Road is called Vita mania and and in it she talks about the early symptoms of scurvy so that starts with Malays and lethargy and you actually become so lethargic that people once believed that laziness was the cause of scurvy all the other way around okay. After about three months patients develop shortness of breath and It will start to happen that their muscles will ache. Their bones will awake eventually. They'll start to see changes in their skin so it will become very rough. They'll notice that they bruise incredibly credibly. Easily just slightest. Touch will cause bruising also Bros broken. Blood vessels. Sounds awful it does it sounds terrible. Arable deprivation also has been shown to have a significant effect on the depression rating scales and other personality measures including including stress mood social introversion so I would imagine that a certain amount of that comes from not feeling well but lack of vitamin C.. Also so make you depressed. There's no getting around it. Well yeah that must have been hard to explain to your fellow sailors. Who thought that the reason you had scurvy was because you're lazy? Not that you were feeling the Malays because you had scurvy. Come on Kyle. We need to lift the main sale. So I'm really not feeling it today. Guys Kyle so lazy Kyle Bad in those hatches. Kyle was misunderstood semen. So so as the disease progresses your gums will become spongy gum. Disease can set in. Your teeth will start to loosen inside inside your mouth. Your breath will become terrible. You'll start to experience severe dry eye and dry mouth as well. You will stop peeing regularly. Get very very bloated. You'll start to look jaundiced. Because of all the P probably you'll start to lose sensation in your fingers and your face and You're not gonNA move around so great you'll lose like your your motor functions and your glands will stop working the way they're supposed to and your organs you're saying nothing good comes from scurvy. Nothing good comes from scurvy. In fact National Geographic writes about how your dreams can be affected by scurvy. You start to get very intense very very vivid dreams and studies have shown over and over and over again people suffering from scurvy. We'll dream of food. That what their body needs to heal scurvy interesting and they will be to the point where they are hallucinating. That they have that food so so they will wake up believing that that food is available to them. No kidding and then when they find that it's not available to them just be devastated because they they truly their brain told them that this was there for them reminds me of an old cartoon I saw when I was a kid. It might have been like a bugs bunny cartoon where a really tall skinny thin man in a really short stout man or stranded on a On a desert island in the short stout guy visualizes is is the tall skinny. Guy's a hot dog. I remember that in the hot dog guy looks at the little guy has a hamburger and try to eat each other. Yeah it's just like that Warner brothers. Had it going on. They knew it was up. Thomas Willis and expert on scurvy in the seventeenth century called it a falling down of the whole soul. He said there are numerous accounts. What's of hardened naval officers sitting down and weeping because I thought you were you were saying that one of the symptoms was a hardened naval? Oh now that would be weird in fact it. It's quite the opposite but we'll get to that. Who so what was I saying? Oh yes that's hardened naval officers a too gleeful away. I responded to that. Go ahead so then. Your arteries and capillaries begin to decay. And your blood begins to leak into your muscles and coagulates inside hide your arteries causing cardiovascular. Damage your gums. Start to engorge grow over your teeth If the tissues not cut off it'll start to protrude from the mouth health and Decay so then you just have this rotting gum muscle or tissue Falling out of your mouth and and and dying and and weeping. Oh it's coming out of you and dying and dead and it smells. How's real bad can imagine it? Sounds like you're decaying while you're walking around Yeah Holy Shit and this can happen. You said after like a month well well this. This wouldn't happen whilst ended. Yes it will start with the Malays. Okay the Malays starts within a month because one of the major effects of scurvy is that your body can no longer produce collagen which is the glue that holds your body together the the stuff that makes you bouncy a tart heart bouncy little muffin minimum little bouncy bitch because that Collagen isn't being created anymore your old wounds. We'll start to open up your scars token and you will start re bleeding from your your once closed wound all my God. This just open up all over. I mean it must have looked like on a long extended voyage back back in those days. When you're lazy it must have seemed like a voyage full of like zombies? Can you imagine what it smelled like. No if sixty five percent of the people around you were rotting. I can't imagine what it would have smelled like with a healthy crew on one of those ships but who. Yeah Wow and the cure. One fifth of the vitamin C. contained in a single orange administered over the course of a week. That would do do it. Yeah well I read a book about the Franklin expedition which I may do it. A deep dive on in a in a future episode but of course scurvy was one of the big issues that they dealt with They thought that they were going to overcome that. Because consuming meat can help offset the symptoms of scurvy which is why why indigenous peoples in the Arctic do not get scurvy. They don't have any access to fresh fruit. They eat like Walrus meat and stuff like that in those days. Ace but the technology at the time. The high tech of the time during the Franklin expedition was canned foods right canned meats in particular. The problem was since it was such a new technology. They seal the cans with solder. And so you not only got the scurvy. But you've got the lead poisoning reasoning. Yeah that was a fun ride. I bet so. The the knowledge that consuming foods containing vitamin C is a cure for scurvy. I I unfortunately was known long long long before people continued to die because scurvy so it was almost like the it was known and forgotten repeatedly over history. No kidding so in the fourteen and fifteen hundreds sailors were were known a to plant fruit trees on islands. That were the the inbetween. Stop no way because they knew that that was the way to to keep their their sailors. Healthy But unfortunately information spreads very slowly their journals of ship physicians dating back to the seventeenth century. That reveal that a good few stumbled upon the healing powers of oranges limes lemons and cabbages but they didn't get to become public knowledge. which is Is What led to this continuing doing for as many years as it did There are lots of reports of people being stranded From like they're not a shipwreck necessarily but landing someplace that they weren't familiar with with a bunch of sick crew and the natives providing them with scurvy healing foods so s-curves decline began in earnest in seventeen forty seven when James Lind demonstrated and published the power of citrus to treat the disease. And that's when it really really started to cruise. That is crazy. Yeah so why. Didn't that information gets spread around. Was it Trust higher hire you. They spread that information around and people said No. That's fake news comes from a pirate. Yeah it's It's hard to say. Why Ah it didn't catch on but like I said in the fourteen hundreds there are published not published but I guess it would be published there are writings about and how certain foods care scurvy is crazy? Well that's fascinating. I thought so the old wounds thing blew my mind. I can't even imagine really I mean seriously. Imagine having you know a sixteenth century mentality and knowledge of the world I mean they were certainly starting to learn. Discover discover and explore. But you go out on this ship and all of those symptoms start to happen. I can't imagine what was going through their minds. I can't and also I think about like I am a modern lady person who grew up in a relatively cushy situation relation I mean we were not doing great but I mean I was fine and I am covered in scars. So I can't even imagine what a pirate or a UH person who sailed the seas for a living must have been covered in wounds. Just like all your insights out inside of you all all of a sudden. I didn't even think about that. That's an excellent point. I was thinking all of my scars. I've got I've got a few here and there. One very distinctive one on my forehead. No one else notices that ever get sexy though. I've just say that I don't notice it. That's that came from a beer. Fueled Midnight Frisbee session. That's all I'm GONNA leave it at that but pirates I mean you're right I mean that's a rough life in there fighting. They're stealing there fighting some more or yeah I mean holy crap all the wounds that they would accumulate over the years of pirate in and they all open up at once. That wouldn't wow how about the captain. Didn't let them in his cabin. Get outta here Kyle. You'll ruined my carpet kyle. Now that makes me want to. Do you know my Kosovan on the Franklin expedition told them everything. 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Intermittent fasting, the math of espresso, biological bricks, scurvy in modern Canada, snake venom sans snakes and chile tolerance.

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Intermittent fasting, the math of espresso, biological bricks, scurvy in modern Canada, snake venom sans snakes and chile tolerance.

"Hi Guys it's me tie pool and I'm back and I have way more questions. Things like what animals saying to each other. Why space so Dr? What's the science behind this season? I'm willing to go where no seventh-grader has ever gone before to find you. The answers answers rest. Your eyes prepare your ears for all new episodes of tie asks why this is a CBC podcast team on town. I ate all human when you know shared inheritance. Christ Hi I'm Bob McDonald on this week. Show want to lose weight and feel better. Stop eating for a while exploring the science of intermittent intermittent fasting the most people who are trying to lose weight. have hundreds of thousands of calories of body fat sitting on their body. If you don't eat your body will use it and a group of coffee. Obsessed scientists crunched the numbers to figure out how to Brew Better Espresso compared to an espresso. Grind this is only marginally marginally more coarse but to coffee professional at Barista's for example this is tectonically different also bringing biology two bricks concrete details tails on how to grow building materials when we finally hit On a solution that brought the brick to life. It really wasn't Aha moment plus scientist this. Grow Snake Venom. Glands from scratch and seeing signs of an ancient illness scurvy in the modern world all this and more today on quirks the corks them all right in today's health alert. We're talking about intermittent intermittent fasting. I lost over eighty pounds. Thanks to intermittent exploited in popularity in Silicon Valley could provide many health benefits beyond weight. Loss could would be the key to a healthier and even longer light so hot right. It is so popular and there's actually a decent amount of science behind whether you intermittent fasting. It's quickly become one of the hottest weight loss trends. We've seen in a while. Actors like Hugh Jackman Benedict Cumberbatch and even twitter. CEO Jack Dorsey are proponents. But but what makes this more than just news. Celebrity driven Diet Fad. Well for one thing it might actually be more successful than many diets but beyond that. There's there's some evidence of benefits for fasting that go way beyond weight loss. Things like increased stress resistance increased longevity and a decrease in the incidence silence of chronic diseases like diabetes. So we're going to dive into that science today to separate fact from bad with the help of course imports producer Sonya Biting Hi Sonya. Welcome to the studio. Hi Bob okay. Well let's start with intermittent fasting. What is it well? It's not exactly a diet. A diet is about what what and how much you eat but fasting is about how long you don't eat. There are a couple of ways. You can do intermittent fasting but we only have a good amount of science on a couple of ways of doing it. There are the popular weight loss programs. Sixteen eight where you only eat an eight hour window each day and then fast for sixteen sixteen hours and five to where you eat normally for five days a week and then only eat five hundred calories on the other days. There's also a more extreme form forma fasting which is aimed at helping people with major health issues. But we'll get into that in a bit okay. Well fasting for sixteen hours a day. That still sounds like a diet because well I'm meeting less food. So what makes us different. Well you may very well be eating fast food. But that doesn't seem to be the key to why this works and I have to admit I haven't trying this and it seems to be working for me. I've lost nearly thirty pounds since August. Wow that's amazing. Well I hope you feel better about that. I do feel better. But here's the thing. I am a skeptical science journalist. I want to know more about the science behind this. I mean it seems to be working for me. But I'm a case study of one that's the classic definition of anecdotal evidence. And I wanted to know if there was good science to support it and whether these claims for greater health benefits were real or not on the weight loss front. It seems to work at least as well as other diets and just a few weeks ago. The New England Journal of Medicine published a review. That's giving a lot of attention about where we are with the science of intermittent fasting. Okay I spoke with one of the Co authors of that review. Dr Mark Mattson is now a professor of neuroscience at Johns Hopkins University. He recently retired from the National Institute of Aging where he was the head of the neuroscience lab and ask someone who has studied aging for decades. Dr Matson's most interested trusted in the health benefits. That seem to come from fasting with the long run. An intermittent fasting eating pattern will likely decrease one's risk for four stroke and possibly for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease stroke. It's very likely because in the human studies. Intermittent fasting changed risk factors for cardiovascular disease stroke in a very clear beneficial way or that's quite a list of benefits. But that's not all he said there. There's also evidence that intermittent fasting can result in improvements in memory and learning. It may be able to help anxiety levels go down and moods to to improve it. Suppresses inflammation improves blood. Sugar Regulation and may even help prolong life. Okay well we always hear that the key to a healthier healthier future is to simply exercise more and eat less. So how do the benefits from intermittent fasting compared to just reducing calories like an ordinary diet. He he compared an intermittent fasting diet with a regular diet where the same amount of calories were cut but he saw different results both groups of women and in our studies loss. Same amount of weight over six month period but the women on five to intermittent fasting More belly fat than they had significantly greater improvement in insulin sensitivity that as they had a stronger anti diabetic effect. Wow that sounds promising. So what's going on here. That could explain why this might be happening to answer that. I went to Toronto base. Kidney specialist and author of the book called the Obesity Code. Hi there I'm here to see Dr Jason Fong as a kidney specialist. He got into intermittent fasting because he treats people with type two diabetes who've developed kidney disease now now he also runs a fast in clinic where he says he's got evidence. He can reverse type two diabetes in some cases by prescribing fasting. He said the way this works comes down to insulin. What do you mean by that when we eat our insulin levels go up to borrow an analogy from Dr Refund? Insulin acts like a train conductor. That switches the source of fuel that ourselves need to function so when insulin levels are up the track switched to getting energy from the food we just ate and the rest goes into storage and when insulin levels are down our metabolism tracks switches to use up are stored energy urging most people who are trying to lose weight. have hundreds of thousands of calories of body fat sitting on their body. So why won't your body is it. If you don't eat your body will use it so we have to think about when you're fasting so if you're skipping breakfast and lunch for example your body is going to essentially take the calories salaries that it needs out of your body fat or the glycogen in your liver essentially eating a meal of your own body fat. Well that's perfect. So Insulin is the Switcher that tells your body to start or stop running on your stored energy okay. Well this is all great but I gotTa tell you I mean my meals. Those are all over the place because I travel so much when I get hungry I get really hungry. So how do people deal with that hunger. Well like I said I've been doing this and so I can tell you from my personal experience unless you've tried it. It's hard to believe not only how great it makes you feel but also how easy it can be once you get used to it but have to admit it was really hard in the beginning. It was you know I always thought that if I didn't eat my egg sandwich sandwich first thing in the morning I'd be shaking with hunger by the time I got to work. Even if I ate something like oatmeal I would literally be shaking not long after out of hunger so I was also super skeptical about this and it took me months of reading before I was even willing to give it a try. You know it's interesting. When I spoke Dr Turf? Fung about the hunger side of it. He said that's probably the number one concern. People have when he talks to them about fasting because they assume the hunger to keeps building building and building and building. Until you're sort of forced to stuff a few muffins in your mouth does not. Actually what happened so if you look at studies of Gorilla in which is the hunger hormone. If if you don't eat for twenty four hours what happens. Is that Gorell and peaks at breakfast time lunchtime and dinnertime. Because probably we're used to it if you don't eat that Ghrelin Ellen goes up and then it just falls back down so if you can ride out the hunger when it does peak we'll go away before it peaks again the next mealtime but after a couple of weeks of doing this the craziest thing happened in I do the sixteen eight style which means I stop eating after supper and don't eat again until lunch time the next day. I barely feel hungry anymore when I'm fasting. Boy That's amazing. Is this common for hunger. Just go away. I like that Dr Mattson says it does take a while for our bodies to get used to feeding itself from our fat stores so yes he says it is common but to four weeks about by a month for sure the vast majority of people will no longer have the hunger neared ability and in our experience in the human studies. We've been involved with not only. Are They not hungry inevitable anymore. But they're actually seemed like they have more energy with with regards to cognition and even physical energy well. This all sounds terrific but one of the issues with traditional dieting is that people people lose weight but then often it comes back. So does the same thing happened with intermittent fasting. Well that was really big. Concern for me do you. You know the show the biggest loser. Yeah people go on. They lose weight by eating healthier foods reducing calories and exercising a lot more well a few years ago study came out where scientists followed up with people six years after they lost weight on the show and not only did most of the contestants Aston actually regained the weight they'd lost but their metabolism slow down so six years later. They were burning fewer calories than before they even it went on the show. Dr Chung said. That's not what happens when we fast. They've done studies where people have gone on a four-day fast so and they measured their metabolic rate at time zero and a after four days of not eating so the number of calories there were burning at the end of those four days was actually ten percent higher than when they started so their bodies weren't shutting down their bodies rocky ramping up. That's promising kidding. As has insulin drops other hormones. Go up like noradrenaline and that gives us energy if you think about this from an evolutionary perspective this makes perfect perfect sense. Yeah well I guess is the opposite from how we feel after a big meal where he just wanted to sit still while yeah lay down on the couch absolutely now back in our hunter gatherer days. If we weren't able to get out and find food when the going got tough we die so being able to mobilise when we're hungry three is a survival advantage that probably gave us a lot more chances to pass on our genes and the research shows that mental focus goes up when we're fasting acting as well so this sharpening of our mental abilities is why intermittent fasting is really taking off in places like Silicon Valley. Jack Dorsey the CEO up. Twitter is a huge advocate for intermittent fasting. He only eats one meal a day one a day. That sounds kind of extreme. I thought so too when I first started looking into intermittent fasting. There were articles saying that Jack Dorsey basically had an eating disorder. Which freaked me hoed? And frankly that's one of the reasons why it took me so along to open my mind to it again before I finally tried it after Dr Fung was telling me about how people in Silicon Valley use it as a biohacking to give give themselves a mental edge. I asked him about Jack. Dorsey eating habits. The point is that he's doing it deliberately for specific reasons seasons that's not an eating disorder and eating disorders. Where you really have no control over? Its something like Anorexia Nervosa. It's an eating disorder and that's a psychological disorder of body image for example sample and it is a real problem but he's doing it much differently if he starts to show signs that he's getting unhealthy than I'd worry about road. He said like any other powerful tool. If you use it you're responsibly. It can cause harm and this is one of the main issues. His critics have with intermittent fasting. Is that it glorifies disordered eating. And there's so much bad information on the Internet to it can be tricky to navigate this in a safe way. We'll there certainly is a lot of weird information out there about eating well basically Dr Fong and Dr Mats and mostly agree about who should not try intermittent intermittent fasting pregnant or breastfeeding women children under the age of eighteen. Where are they differ? Though is where they say the cutoff should be for those those who are not overweight. Dr Mattson gives the conservative estimate of body mass index of eighteen. which is the lower end of the healthy range? You don't WanNa go below below that and you know of course if you have any potentially complicating medical issues. Like gout diabetes acid reflex thyroid issues for example. Talk Talk to your doctor first. Okay well speaking of medical issues. You mentioned earlier that Dr Fung's been able to reverse type two diabetes with fasting. Tell me go well. Dr Funk says he's treated and has reversed type two diabetes and many people with fasting and in two thousand eighteen he published a scientific paper rebounded with three case studies in the British Medical Journal case reports now type. Two Diabetes is where people develop insulin resistance where insulin can no longer adequately switched the track to store glucose so you end up with unhealthy high glucose levels in your blood so Dr Fong treated those three people with either alternate day. Twenty four hour fasting or twenty four hour fasting three days a week and they were all had twenty to twenty five years of type two diabetes eighties like five to ten years of insulin and we started intermittent fasting within like a month. All three were off of their insulin and sort of like within six months. It's all of them. Were classified as non diabetic. That's amazing that he got those results. Just just from intermittent fasting. I know I thought it was hard to believe you've to when I asked Dr Mattson about this claim he said given what he's seen on the cutting edge of the literature that sounds about right. I did ask the Canadian Society of Andrew Chronology Metabolism about Dr Funds claims about reversing insulin resistance with fasting. They said controlling type. Two diabetes involves multifactorial intervention. And that a number of diets including the Mediterranean and Nordic style diets and eating vegetarian can also also help manage diabetes and reduce cardiovascular risk factors and that intermittent fasting can improve glycemic control which is basically how our are insulin. Levels react to the food we eat but it can also place people at risk for developing low blood sugar especially if they're taking insulin. We've been talking about the kind of fasting that you've been doing. which is fasting for part of the day but you mentioned more extreme fasting at the beginning? Tell me about that well. This is not fasting for weight loss or to gain a mental edge. This is a controversial treatment regime for very serious health issues everything everything from metabolic disorders to mental illness and the fast are not daily. They can go on for weeks weeks. That sounds like starvation. Well when I so Dr Fong at his clinic. He introduced me to a patient. Carol and Bell Smith who allowed me to sit in on her checkup she was on day. Seventeen of twenty. Ah Day fast twenty. That's a month. Hit is ahead some amazing news from my cardiologist so I have had some heart trouble in the past I've got what's called a basil central hypertrophy with left ventricular interference heart failure essentially. And when I had my i. Trans- thrust GECKO my cardiology appointment. It's gone completely gone. Caroll-ann has had a number of health issues for a while including obesity species in a wheelchair and a couple of years ago. She was in an accident that led her to gain even more weight so she started seeing. Dr Fong and doing these fast shorter ones is that I. She's lost about sixty six pounds and was a full blown type two diabetic but now she's not. My sugars are in the perfect range judge and she also had this disorder called mast cell activation disorder. And that's where she would get severe. An FA lactic allergies too many things. That can't I be predicted so I no longer meet the diagnosis of mast cell activation disorder. That's astounding I know. Totally mind boggling. In fact there's a surgery that I really really need. I've got some cancer and one of the reasons why it has proceeded is because I had this heart failure. That's gone now. I'm cleared for surgery. Well well all these health benefits that come from just fasting Sounds too good to be true. Here there are two parts to good medical theory. The first is a potential chill mechanism and the second is good quality evidence. So let's talk about the mechanism. Dr Funk says when the body isn't getting nutrients a goes into repair repair and maintenance mode and this really cool process called a tofte g kicks in where cells go into recycling mode. Just like you drew out a freeloading uncle. Your Times are tough. It's like okay get out. You don't get a job. So the body essentially does the same thing. So any of these excess superfluous cells are going to get called hold and then when you start to eat again your body will produce. Only what's necessary because it needs to really control the number of cells at supporting okay so that addresses the mechanism of how fasting my work. But you said that we also need some evidence for it. We need more high quality scientific studies showing. This works works for lots of people for doctors to have confidence in it but actually this has been studied and practiced quite extensively in Russia and Germany. I spoke Okay Dr. Andreas Mikhail San Director and head of Sherry Tame Medical University's Department of Integrative and internal medicine in Berlin. He says they treat treat up to fifteen hundred people a year for things like type two diabetes hypertension rheumatoid arthritis and mild to moderate depression patients. They're fast just anywhere from five to thirty days when you do intermittent fasting for several hours. It's good it. It also has beneficial effects but the more profound around the more pronounced effects on the cellular level also regarded inflammatory disease or metabolic disease or blood pressure regulation that we have after four five and then seven to ten days. Personally I would never do an extended fast because says I'm already relatively healthy. Yes you are. And you're very energetic very energetic like I need more energy but but when it comes to intermittent fasting for weight eight loss. I am kind of relieved to learn. There is solid science to this. And that there don't seem to be any concerning risks associated with it and maybe part of this is placebo. Lucie Woah facts but I feel great and cannot imagine going back to eating breakfast everyday. Well good luck with it Sonya and thanks for telling us about it my pleasure Bob. Hi Guys it's me tie pool and I'm back and I have way more questions. Things like water animals saying to each other why space. Oh uh-huh what's the science behind this season. I'm willing to go where no seventh-grader has ever gone before to find you. The answers serse rest. Your eyes prepare your ears for all new episodes of tie ask why they do well. It's riddle time here at quirks in courts. How many mathematicians does it take to brew Better Cup of Espresso? Well according to the research paper in my hands right now. The answer isn't a joke. Apparently it's ten sort of I mean not. All of them were mathematicians physicists and material scientists as well Oh and a Barista Krista with a science bent. They came together to challenge common coffee wisdom. They're convinced that math is the secret to brewing an espresso that is greater greater than in terms of flavor but less than in terms of coffee used go figure here to explain his Dr Christopher Hendin. He's an assistant assistant. Professor of chemistry from the University of Oregon. Hi Welcome to quirks in quirks. Hi Bob thanks for having me. So what's wrong with the current method of brewing espresso. People do it all the time. Nothing in particular is wrong with it actually. We've just realized that there is a routine Circumstance that one might find themselves in where they have an excellent coffee one day and then the next day they come in and everything seemingly the same same cafe same Bristol same everything and you have variation in the next shot. It doesn't taste the same now for better or worse. Maybe we enjoy the variation but indeed. The problem is deeply rooted in Mathematics Chemistry and physics. Okay so I can understand some Chemistry involved here. Where does the mathematics come in? The problem of extracting from coffee is simply one of transferring mass from a solid particle of coffee into the liquid which we think of as water but we call it coffee at the end of the day and we can solve the equations for describing. How much coffee wind up within our water simply by using mathematics so the the basis of of our experiments was we keep a constant brew ratio? which is the ratio of coffee to water so initially we would use twenty grams of coffee and push forty grams of water through that coffee coffee bed and then monitor what we've extracted the percentage of coffee that ends up dissolved in water and on average most coffee sits around twenty percent? And so you can imagine. There's an eighty eighty percent waste there and essentially what we do then is we vary the grind size for a given brewery show and we start grinding at conventional espresso grind settings which are quite fine fine and progressively ground coarser and coarser and by doing so that allows us to isolate when the water is flowing evenly through this compacted bed of coffee. And when it's flowing unevenly and we find that AH fine grind settings the water's flowing unevenly in it's negatively impacting the extraction yield. The fine grind doesn't work. It's uneven. What what do you mean by that when you Are Grinding Finer and finer. You produce more of these small pieces and eventually when you have a critical number of them they start to clump and they form very dense little regions in your espresso basket. Good and the water cannot penetrate that that region the espresso basket evenly. And so you end up having water move around that but not through the clump and what you need of courses is water to touch the coffee evenly in order to extract evenly. Oh really because I would have thought that by grinding the coffee finer. You're exposing more area to the water you know you're you're spot on actually. That was our hypothesis at the beginning so back in two thousand sixteen when he first conceived this project it was myself in the first author who is a Barista Michael Co Cameron who actually had described Procedure trying hoping in fact that we could really predict The extraction based on surface area that we would get from from our grinder and you know we thought. Oh that's going to be trivial because the EU we can measure the surface area and therefore we should be able to parameters this easily but indeed We found that this clumping phenomenon that we observed was actually Sort of what makes this study truly unique because it turns out that most people are doing coffee on the side of uneven extraction now for better or worse may have positive or negative impact on flavor. And that's up to the consumer of course and we're not trying to modernize the flavor but we're simply trying to make that flavor that they alike reproducible. So what was your optimum size. So it's very difficult to describe the size of coffee grinds grounds by you know by words so we use laser diffraction device. That the monitors these to give you an idea when I say course I don't mean course like a French press corps I mean compared to an espresso grind. This this is only marginally more coarse but to a coffee. Professional a Barista for example. This is tectonically different. This is like day and night but to the human i. It's very difficult to see the difference. Now that's that's the course of the grind. What about the amount of water that used right? So that's another variable that we then can modify we. We don't present Using or modifying the water volume in a vacuum we much prefer to talk about the two parameters which are the mass of coffee that you can change and the mass some water that you can change and they sort of act together and so so You know if you have a given amount of water and you use a little less coffee than the extraction for that amount of coffee goes up up and if you use a little less water extraction for goes down the concentration goes up and so these two parameters you can play with to achieve a beverage of whatever volume oh you mean like in the most reproducible way possible okay. So once you figure all of this out one of the benefits to bring it your way there I I see the benefits threefold so the the first and most important is perhaps that you end up inevitably using less coffee. The second is that you are able bowl to produce these shots of espresso very quickly so the mathematics also informed us that the extraction of coffee happens on a much faster time scale l. than than we had initially thought convention says we should be brewing shots espresso. You know thirty five or forty seconds and indeed we are now proposing. These shots could run his his fastest ten seconds but they still get these same high extractions and the final and perhaps the most important benefit is that this procedure enables is the Barista to be able to present the flavor profile that they want to present to you in a reproducible way. This way removing the variation in removing the blame from the the human. If you like and you're placing the squarely on did the Bristol WanNa present chocolate notes hints of Raspberry or did they intend for lemon and Bergamot and watermelon these sorts of flavors. And that that's what makes the coffee industry. Unique is the flavor diversity and if we now know that the variability in the Espresso has been removed. We can now start making opinions educated opinions about whether we like Ethiopian coffee more than Kenyan coffee and so forth. Okay now. This is all great as a scientific scientific experiment in the lab. But do you have Direct evidence here. Have you done taste tests sun on your method so we are not sensory scientists so we haven't sat down and asked a trained panel of tasters to assess qualities of the espresso produced using our method versus the conventional method. However in two thousand seventeen? Seventeen when I first moved to the University of Oregon I worked closely with local cafes to implement this procedure to reduce the amount of coffee. They're using while simultaneously allowing allowing them to convey the flavor profiles that they wanted to convey over the last two years we've been monitoring every metric possibly monitor yelp reviews in-person questioning testing of customers And we've actually seen in the improvement in description of the espresso that was being produced With all the all the cafes that I've worked worked with we've implemented this and they haven't gone back since we've started two years ago knuckleheads and thank you very much. That's my pleasure. Thank you for having Me Dr. Dr Christopher Henderson is an assistant professor of chemistry from the University of Oregon. Hello Coffee Mild for they come to order. I hit a grinding spreads so beans I I needed double shot of pure caffeine and the Indie band on the speaker. soothes my brain. And so all within the sounds of snow and the Dr Frankenstein was appropriately excited when he successfully gave life to his creation. A monster made from from dead body parts but would he have been as excited about a Franken brick. Because that's what came to life. Recently in doctor will shrew bars lab at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Dr Shumar and his team have developed a kind of living cement a biological building material. That could give us an alternative to greenhouse intensive materials like concrete creed. Dr Xu Barr welcomed quirks and quarks. Thank you very much for having me. Okay all kidding aside did you have. And it's a live moment in your lap and in fact I did. I did in my lab. We're used to dealing with structural materials and when we finally hit on a solution that brought the brick to life life. It really wasn't Aha moment. Well described to me what it is you have created what is your living brick so to get the structural integrity of the brick. Rick we use sand like you would normally use sand to make concrete but special is that we use photosynthetic cyanobacteria that to make a bio cement. Meant that helps bind the sand particles together and we really have Advanced this technology to the point where we can keep the bacteria alive enabling biology to play a part not only in the initial manufacturing of the material but really have multiple uses during and post use. Use a biological material bacteria's something that would be kind of gooey. or or slimy can that build a brick so at the very beginning winning when we finish manufacturing the brick it is in fact gooey and we slowly control the dehydration of the brick To impart some structural integrity. Well how does the bacteria provides structure to the brick so the photosynthetic cyanobacteria that we use on takes co two and some nutrients and they by oh mineralized meaning. They make a hard particle. It's called calcium carbonate so it's similar to a process of making seashells in the oceans or their number of organisms UNISOM that go through this bio mineralisation process and so it in effect creates tiny limestone particles as the glue in our break. Oh Wow that's amazing so there there between the sand particles so that you get sand and calcium carbonate as your final product with the bacteria in their exactly in the key to this particular study. was that You know the the bacteria that we were using weren't producing a a whole lot of of the calcium carbonate so we kind of help the process along by adding a little bit of of a of a hydrogel or or a polymer That helped Helped back to your growth rive and ultimately Combined the sand particles with kind of tough. Strong polymer mineral resin. So are you actually growing the brick in essence we are just like you would grow up a culture of bacteria in the lab using using a beaker We are combining mining What we call the -biotics meaning the sand Some of the nutrients the water in this little. Bit of a of a polymer. We grow that together with the bacteria and when we cast it we can cast it into basically any shape The bacteria continue to mineralized and the brick subsequently hardens. What was particularly interesting about our? Our study is that we showed that we can take one of those bricks. Split it into two in those halves can grow into full bricks we can split those that will grow into four and then four into eight so really what we were demonstrating is a is. A is a a new way to manufacture building. Materials in in contrast is to making one brick or one widget at a time in a linear fashion. You can start to think of ways in which you can leverage biology to exponentially mentioned manufacturer building materials. That's astounding hanging bricks that are almost There's sort of like cells that divide and grow you. You're growing a colony of bricks rex. That's absolutely the idea you know. Why not leverage something that grows at an exponential rate that self multiplies and use that to to manufacture manufacturer the materials we choose to build? That's amazing so when the when the brick finally hardens what happens to the bacteria you can kind of think of it as is making Jello that Jello component kind of helped solidify the brick but then the bacteria that has created the minerals than that temperature. Drop after we gel it. That's kind of what keeps the bacteria shuts down the metabolism of the bacteria and keeps them protected but they're no longer replicating. But I'm I'm trying to think if I was to build a wall of bricks once my building is up we'll those bricks still be alive. They would be alive but they wouldn't be growing So you know what we're doing is kind of preserving the biological component inside and then we can reawaken it with the right conditions So you know. As long as the bacteria are sufficiently dried out and maintained at a at an ambient ambient temperature. You know. Your your walls aren't going to grow wildly really out of control. We start out with a house. End Up of the skyscraper. 'cause he how long does it take to do this. The whole process us we can usually make a make a living brick in in less than a day. So what are the benefits of your living building material L. compared to the cement and concrete that we're using today you know what what's really exciting to us is that we're questioning the paradigm of of what Simmons Tissues materials are and in what they what they can be. Those of you familiar with cement would know that cement production alone is responsible for about six percent of global co two emissions and in our system system. you know we're using no cement and we're actually using an organism that thrives on carbon dioxide to to manufacture the materials. How do you see your material? Oh being used. We're excited about a few immediate applications You know we were really taken by designing a material for very resource limited environments. So you can kind of think of those being very arid desert environments where there aren't a lot of natural resources or you could imagine extra extra terrestrial infrastructure on on other planets. I'm convinced that we will be bringing biology with us. We won't be loading up spaceships out with with with bags of cement Taking Mars so we come to a point where we'll be growing buildings actually if we had to do it all over again If we had to build a brand new the world We wouldn't be burning the limestone to make the cement and we wouldn't be melting the sand to make glass I think we would turn to biology to help us grow the materials with which we choose to build so in my in my future. Yes I that would be my answer. Dr Xu Barr. Thank you very much. Thank you for having having me doctor will. Shrew bar is an assistant professor of engineering at the University of Colorado at Boulder. When you hear the words scurvy you probably think of life on the high seas a few centuries ago for sailors aboard their tiny wooden ships on voyages that could take months vitamin rich fruit and vegetables? Both were as rare as mermaids and scurvy the result of vitamin C deficiency was the result. But I imagine you'd have assume that scurvy had gone the way of those sailing ships. Well think again scurvy is still with us today in Canada in the twenty first century. That was the surprising conclusion season of a new study by Dr Kayla Dowd Gar who investigated modern scurvy as a medical student at McMaster university in Hamilton. She's currently a resident at the Ottawa. Hospital Dr Daddy are welcomed quirks and quarks. Thanks for having me. Let's begin with the disease itself. What exactly is scurvy? What are the symptoms CBS? So scurvy deficiency of vitamin C as you mentioned and you can develop a variety of symptoms from feeling generally unwell too easy bruising bleeding thing tooth loss and a number of other sort of feeling generally unwell a facts but in the most severe cases death has even occurred from scurvy. And that's just from lack of vitamin C me. We're not talking virus here or anything like that. No just lack of vitamin C.. Vitamin C is actually very important For a number of things including Collagen production and Collagen is essential for forming blood vessels. And your hair and things like that so it is quite important. Well we think of scurvy is a disease from another era. How did you investigate? It's modern face. Yeah so my my research supervisor. Dr neary actually diagnosed a case of scurvy in his clinic. And when I heard about that I was quite interested in wanted to you. Know more and understand what led people in modern Hamilton and other major North American cities to develop scurvy. So how did you pursue that. So we did a review of all of the vitamin C. levels levels in Hamilton over a eight year period and then looked at all the levels. That would be low enough to cause scurvy and went through the charts of those individuals visuals to get a sense of what their symptoms were What their causes of scurvy were thought to be by their clinicians and then if they had a response monster vitamin C.? When they were given supplementation the how many people were involved in that so overall we had fifty two patients that were that had vitamin C. levels low enough to cause scurvy and then thirteen of those patients actually have documented signs and symptoms? That would suggest that they actually had clinical scurvy. who were the people who you found that had developed scurvy so there were a number of individuals that had varying reasons since for developing scurvy but in general There were patients with alcohol misuse disorder which often leads to vitamin deficiencies because these individuals tend not ought to consume very much food at all in not much Fruit or vegetables and another category would be patients who had bariatric surgery. Those individuals tend to have vitamin deficiencies. Because we've bypass some of their digestive tract and it's more difficult for them to absorb nutrients as well as Komo ball normal people in our communities who were either afflicted by other mental illnesses very isolated impoverished. Just it just didn't really have the support or access to fresh fruits and vegetables now. Were there illnesses accurately recognized by caregivers. Jason and medical workers there were a few charts that were quite completes that documented all of the signs and symptoms that we would expect with scurvy. But I would. I'd say the vast majority were sort of lacking in the complete assessment that you would hope to have if you're considering scurvy and I think part of that is because we don't often as health providers consider scurvy as a diagnosis. A lot of the symptoms are skirt of scurvy are very nonspecific and and there are a lot of different diagnosis that that could have been causing those symptoms and you really have to think about scurvy and ask about their nutritional. Oh intake in order to come to that conclusion. Well scurvy is because of vitamin C deficiency vitamin CS. Really easy to get these these days. So how much do you need to get rid of this curvy to prevent scurvy. You really only need ten milligrams of vitamin C.. or less per dave And for context an Orange has about five times that amount. So you really need a very monotonous diet over months to develop disease Aziz like this for so how easy is it to get over it then. The patients that we reviewed who were given Vitamin C supplementation Asian actually recovered quite quickly within days. So it is rapidly reversible by providing patients with vitamin C.. So do you think it's it's possible. That scurvy is significantly underdiagnosed in Canada. I would imagine so even you know. This study had a number of limitations nations in order to be included in the study you would have to present to one of the Hamilton hospitals because we didn't include outside labs a doctor would have to have thought out of scurvy and decided to do a vitamin C.. Level because if you were confident that a patient had low vitamin C intake and had symptoms. That might be related to that. What you might just consider giving them vitamin C supplementation? Since it's such an easy treatment so the stepfamily didn't capture all of the patients that would have had low vitamin C. levels in the community and I couldn't really say how many more there are. But I imagine that we're have under reported the the number of cases in that timeframe. So what's the lesson we can learn from your research. I think the lesson is on one hand as a society. We should be looking at how we can do. Better to support individuals like this Who might be isolated and not have access to nutritious foods and because it's such preventable disease? We should have a goal of looking at where the needs are in our communities and pudding some steps in place to prevent this and on the other hand I think that healthcare practitioners should think of scurvy when they see patients that maybe have symptoms similar to this and and ask about their nutritional status and their food intake to get a better idea of whether this is diagnosis. They should be considering and for the rest of his issue. Fruit and vegetables. Yes that would be actually tag are thank you very much for your time. Things are having the doctor. Kayla Guard car is currently a resident at the Ottawa Hospital. According to the World Health Organization over one hundred thousand people die from snake bites every year and and an estimated four hundred thousand more people are left permanently disabled with injuries like amputations paralysis bleeding disorders and irreversible irreversible. Tissue damage. Just to name a few. It's been called. The world's biggest hidden health crisis. Snake bite is a huge problem with a very the effective solution. anti-venom but anti-venom is made from snake venom itself and making it comes with some significant challenges chiefly chiefly that you need to milk alive snake to get that venom which is a very tricky and laborious process. That means anti-venom is inaccessible. Oh to the people who need it most but all of that could soon change with new research out of you trek university in the Netherlands. Dr Hans Cleavers is one of the world's leading stem cell. Researchers he's known for his pioneering work using human stem cells to grow small model organs called Organiz and in in his lab three of his students employed this technology with snake stem cells to make lab grown venom glands and this could mean the end of of milking snakes Dr Clippers welcomed quirks and quarks high. Now you normally work with human stem cells. How did you end up working with snake stem cells? Yeah that's a good question. I actually asked my three students Who did this in the first place? Why they started doing this? And this is what they call a Friday afternoon experiment. Essentially they took the research from my lap which has been essentially establishing protocols to grow human mini Orange Prince directly from from individual humans. And they asked so what would be the most iconic Oregon Debbie no culture so we we knew how to coach her most human organs by the end and then he came up with this van bland. So what's the fundamental process. Here you want to do to try to make snake venom out of snake stem themselves so you get a small bit of tissue from snake. Venom Bunt grinded up and even smaller pieces we stick of. NHL that mostly just quality and then the anti growth factors the ethic medium and then everything dies in a little bit of tissue exception of the stem cells else start building your started building a mini version of the orbit. Come from in this case snake on land and let me just watched growing Takes about a week date roebuck tenfold. In size many lands be up go for one Petrie dish to temperature dishes The next we go from ten to one hundred issue so these these mini glands grow extremely rapidly. They have the stem cells of glance but they also have the cells that make talk cents. Wow so you're talking about making many organs. What do they look like? So many orange look like a tiny at next one millimeter. Ailing me turn diameter. They're like little backs Whole bags of south essentially the inside of that bag will slowly fill the fan that yeah no defined innovation lab? So they're microscopic versions of the organs that make the Venom and they actually make the venom itself exactly. Have you learned things. Maybe learned that first of all that. The snake venom contains many many different venomous components. We also learned that in Glen. There are different cells of take different dachshunds. So could've easily makes everything turns out that inside the gland specialized cells at each made their own unique set talks. Wow Okay so you have your venom now. The the idea here is to make anti-venom to treat people who've been bitten by snakes how anti-venom anti-venom made currently so how it's done is a snake. Farm has one or more over the most snake species over a particular region and are more than two thousand different snakes. They are milked so vannice. Essentially extracted from plants and that goes straight into a horse. I always had horses and those horses will then make antibodies against him and at the League president their blood and serum era in Expected from these horses and that's sold as so now that you're able to produce venom in the laboratory with your organize. How with with the development of anti-venom change? Yeah so if I would have the money to do this and do it the way that girl drug companies develop these I would. It's very carefully. Look at what what components are in this particular and then by very modern recombinant technologies make an antibody asset and that would involve orse is entirely done in the lab using sophisticated united technologies and there would be no live snakes involved here though well so for every snake venom you would actually have to have your hands or one snake and get tissue and grow organs and then you would have an internal source of that particular. That particular snake can also particular snake. That's out in the wild because you have it's DNA could retain take DNA code and many many other things so the idea is to build up a library of snakes stem cells of different different species. Yeah collaborate with a form who is very public scientists in Holland like like symbol stark. Steve Orbit who travels the world makes movies of fairies animals so he has composed a list of fifty most iconic animals reptiles and he skirted providing uh-huh uh-huh and if you're teaching his lap also to take small tissue on these From all these animals and turn them into organize and create a large by thirty four fifty species start with to start finding out how to best make anti serum but also another important of Asian you can you can design designer drugs for diseases space on venom from snakes. Dr Clubbers thank you very much for your time. Okay thanks and Dr Hans. Cleavers is with the Hubris Institute for Developmental Biology and stem cell research at you tracked university in the Netherlands. Berlet's trumping science in West West was and without it's time for another quirks and quarks question. Hi My name is Anita Mark. I'm from Victoria. My question is why does mine mouth burn when I eat hot Tekri or spicy foods when many other people including my kids have no problem with them. And here's the answer. Hi I'm Paul. Bosley the the director of the Chili Pepper Institute at New Mexico State University. Well that's a very good question and people have always asked that and we do have a scientific answer for it. And and that is it depends on how many heat receptors you have in your mouth and we all are different and so the more heat receptors. You have the more sensitive you. You are too Chili pepper heat. We discovered a little over a decade ago. That the cups as annoyed which is the alkaloid intially peppers that caused the heat sensation when you eat them. Attached to the same receptors that sends a signal to the brain that you have something hot so like when you drink a cup of hot tea and those receptors are the same ones that signal that Oh that Chili pepper is hot so the more heat receptors. You have the more sensitive you are. Those kept seizing. The number of receptors is based on your genetics. So you're kind of born with a lot or if you one thing we have noticed with humans is that as you begin to each of the peppers. You've become a bitch situation to them. So there is some tolerance built up as you eat chilis and unfortunately you quit eating chillis that tolerance seems to go away and you have to start all over again so just like we all are different sizes and different hair colors we all have different numbers of heat receptors. And so it's just kind of the luck of the draw on the genetics Paul Hall. Boston is the director of the Chili Pepper Institute at New Mexico State University. And that's it for this week's edition of Cork. Some corks works. If you'd like to get in touch with US or send us a question. Our email is quirks at CBC DOT CA or. Just go to the contact Lincoln our webpage and to to get to our webpage Goto. CBC DOT CA Slash Quirks. 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Golden Rice

The Good News Podcast

05:19 min | 10 months ago

Golden Rice

"Hi I'm calling your host for the good news podcast and I'm neil the other host the good news. PODCAST is your source for Good News Fun Stories Auditory Delight and Sonic Joy. We're bringing you all of this goodness from beautiful downtown Chicago the Philippines Olympians. We were friendship there but we don't yeah in the Philippines kids for a little bit now have been suffering from a vitamin aid. Deficient semi. How do you get vitamin A.? Yeah how do you get vitamin A vitamin C scurvy. Vitamin D Sun. Well okay. I'm I'm I'm saying different things if you don't have vitamin C.. You have scurvy really. If you need to get vitamin D sign you get that sent a vitamin D deficiency can hurt your immune system and potentially cause blindness a serious deficiencies vitamin A for a long time. Kids in the Philippines have been getting a vitamin A booster just as part of their routine to to help and a groundbreaking breaking rice has been introduced called Golden Rice vitamin ABE race vitamin-a rise shouldn't aimed I'm calling in I gotta say Sake. Golden Rice is a good name for it. Let's hear what's up Golden. Tell me about it. It's genetically modified. GMO It's a GMO for a a vitamin A well. You know smart. 'cause if rice is a staple in the in the cuisine there and folks need vitamin A hey throw it in the staple exact smart and I think there's a lot of irrational fear attached to GM US irrationally. Afraid I mean I think this is a good idea though. This is a great idea and that that's it that's kind of the long the short of it. There's there's a new rice that has been specifically genetically tailored to solve a gap in the food chain. Yeah it feels good polarize boo golden golden rice. If you could make a sued that had something else in it so that you didn't have to eat it somewhere else what would it be. That is so smart. So I'm I'm oddly Sort of enthralled with an antioxidant. Ah Why what do they do for you. The now I think it keeps me for having cancer. We'll give you see it on a pack Agila GATTACA. In in in in the right time of the year I'll eat blueberries by the handful shoe word berries or main buried main berries. mainbrace the teeny tiny. Yeah and I'm like Gimme those antioxidants valley stays. There's hardly any oxygen and my body. Yeah no I haven't seen an antioxidant pill that you know there's an Omega three fatty acid. That's good for your brain and whatever but so so yeah that would be cool down in those berries down that. That's a much more like reasonable. I I was thinking like a banana so I hey I'm a meat eater too. I'm using mandating this whole Ashi hamburger banana. Well it right events I. It's so sick I was just thinking like With protein express leasing like a ground Lamb banana like peeling. It's like you said crumbles a little bit you. Would you would peel it and it would would still have like a sausage casing so you bite into the banana. And it's got a little like snapped banana. That's so so much less worse but I did describe it as a meat. Banescu sick me. Banana raw meat is what I imagine. Yeah I WANNA banana with protein so that I can hike. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news. Incredible or maybe WanNa tell a joke idea. Excellent email us at hello at the good news PODCASTS DOT FM. Or leave us a voicemail voicemail at seven seven three two one seven zero one five six. You can also tweet us at the Good News Pot and follow us on instagram too. And if you love the good news podcasts. Think about supporting us on our patriotic page. Must've our music is by Paddington bear

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Bisexual Situations, Limey Sailors With Scurvy, Origin of Morons

The Weirdest Thing I Learned This Week

44:27 min | 1 year ago

Bisexual Situations, Limey Sailors With Scurvy, Origin of Morons

"Between yes it's going to be Super Spooky and wonderful and weird Thursday October thirty first come have some drinks where costumes hey weirdos before we get into the show this is just your quick reminder that our next live performance is going to be at caveat in New York City on one of the birthplaces of the American eugenics movement I love the boss what can I say Jersey's a beautiful place bisexual which has applied to so many things including oysters and space stations wow how were you counting precisely the number of rediscoveries or was that we'll see we'll say yes why not all right just curious those tickets fast we report and write dozens of science and heck stories every week weirdest thing I learned this week from the editors of Popular Science I'm Rachel Feldman I'm Sarah I'm Helen Saltzman Helen Welcome to the show thank you so much as many listeners so on the weirdest thing I learned this week we start by each offering up a little tease about some kind of factor story that we found in the course of will already know a Helen is the host of the illusionist a wonderful radio podcast about language a helen thank you for joining us we know that you reading writing making Great Hilarious podcasts etc and we decide which one we just absolutely have to hear more about I len once we've all had time to recording without skype lag why don't you start with your teas my fact this week is about how we repeatedly discovered then lost and then discovered and then misunderstood that would be a pretty straightforward word ono bisexual it is it's hot a torrid time while I haven't we all Sarah my tease is that this is a story about my hometown which is the part of New Jersey like springsteen songs are about and also spin our little science yarns we reconvene and decide what the weirdest thing we learned this week actually was Sarah Mulkey studio it's been a while thank you so much cert- with the many many iterations of scurvy I I would have thought that would have been pretty straightforward as well so I would have thought so who have learned many weird things so we're really excited to have you share some of them thank you I will warn you and and then lost and then discovered again the cure for scurvy saga an increase like the simplest cure ever but kill you but I think you you wish for an earlier death fantasy yeah it's great so yeah so the like story in so many ways it is it's great So yeah I found I I got more than I bargained for with this one Helen well mine is about the changing uses of the and while most of the stuff we stumble across makes into our articles we also find plenty of weird facts that we just keep around the office so we figured why not share those with you welcome to the to do it without you so we hope you'll buy your get soon you can go to caveats website or look for the ticket link at pop site at com slash weird we always sell out so get very famous experiment where he took twelve men with scurvy and assigned them six different remedies including drinking half a pint of seawater who'll uh also forget things almost immediately so there's very little in my brain at any given time I think that same you discover the weird things over and over Gary True yes curvy but like this scurvy who cares this'll the rights then yeah exactly just very popular but scurvy killed more sailors than all other causes of death scurvy I always heard was that like James Lynn who was a Scottish doctor was considered to have cured scurvy in seventeen forty seven because he did this combined it killed two million sailors between like fifteen hundred eighteen hundred within syphilis more than syphilis which given the amount of syphilis was incredible ingesting a great way to vomit an excellent treatment also drinking elixir of vitriol which is a mixture of alcohol and sulfuric is challenging fruit I suspect that when you have scurvy it's fine yeah that's a good point though I'll be honest I love Lemons off-balance it takes curvy to kill you it takes like a month for the symptoms to start for you to like run out of vitamin C and then it takes I think potentially weeks longer something else pastor which could have could have been in appearance on ways and then one of the other treatments being eating to oranges Philemon per day for a week and had been like accidentally rediscovering this for centuries prior and it still took fifty years after that for the British navy too implement a diet regimen of lemon juice and then even still after that they forgot about them warns of Lemons this is incredible like in the TV here recording somewhere other than under a blanket. I love it this is a room is so much better that's much less hot well we are super site have you as well also because like because we know now that scurvy is just a a deficiency of vitamin C.. I in my head was always this kind of mild thing like everyone got sick need a whole lemon so that hadn't even occurred to me that that might not be a pleasurable experience for some people I'm sorry yeah we need to when I was a baby did the same thing also in Kenya Kenya really save the lives of a lot of Portuguese soldiers an English captain accidentally didn't experiment where he fed eighteen hundreds Vasco da Gama's crew were given oranges like as a gift after they visited Kenya and they realized like hey when they eat the oranges that he's sorry at the end of the week that people eat the citrus were absolutely one hundred percent carrot and everyone else was still dying of WHO's been curious as to how the lemon because eating lemon swell and then eventually die probably of like a an aneurysm or some other kind of internal hemorrhage see I mean it's it's astounding to me that scurvy was so horrifying seventeen hundreds the navy said you know every day you're going to have this amount of lemon juice and it gave them like a massive advantage fighting the French because they all like bone aches you start bleeding internally because you can't produce Collagen if you don't have vitamin until then it sounded like my life from originally meaning a sailor and then eventually meaning a British person for some reason so lemons are very high in vitamin C and it was originally lemons that that somehow like when people discovered how to fix it it didn't spread instantly all the way around the world but after Doctor Lind published his findings the British navy sprint plants like fundamentally and that turned out to be a really terrible mistake because late and you know when they got to their next destination his crew members were all fine everyone else was like literally had to be helped off the ship because they couldn't walk anymore but yeah I mean scurvy they will never get scurvy which is incredible so yeah I mean that story like is true but it is also true that sailors it was like to the point that people felt at one point that laziness was the cause of scurvy you just refuse to do your work and we're afflicted with this terrible disease and you get Tom did the thing where like you give your baby a lemon because this kid's hilarious may hate and she gave me a lemon and I was like Allow them digging this this is great spend fifty years just kind of like debating I don't know maybe didn't really seem all that all that effective people thought well maybe a lack of fresh air but eventually in the late later on when they originally got lemons like from Sicily like places in Europe around the Mediterranean but then eventually realized that as the British Navy they can and then you start bleeding internally Yeah Your Your Gums Start to disintegrate teeth get all loose you can't really eat any way your limbs and I still love Lemons for the the idea of eating a whole one seems to me potentially a tricky thing you would think Nope you do but they discovered the oranges and then after that they would anywhere they visited that had citrus they were like hey can we get some more images because they're pretty useful time and like another Portuguese explorer author lime juice every day like the good explorers that they were and yet somehow they were all dying of scurvy because the unfortunate thing is that the one of them had scurvy and it turns out when you're fighting a battle against people who are mostly dying you win we'll figure yeah it's also where the nickname Limi- leads the prevailing theory was that it was definitely something about the meat like maybe there was something that spoiled the meat was the theory that was the fresh meat thing you had to have it fresh tale a lot faster and they just weren't really getting scurvy as it turns out because the journey for shorter but they thought it was the lines that the lines were fine and then they started going colonize different countries yeah yeah if only taken over more of the world anyway so they started using lines but they're kind of saving grace at the time was that hedlund tested but they also called lemon juice lime juice because at the time lemons and limes were just sort of generic terms for those things and they didn't realize that they were actually go away which until then had just been called like big sailor wasn't scurvy it was just fifty percent just it was expected fifty percents recruited polar bear meat but the crew on the ship were cool with it and the crew on the ship was totally fine but then not just confused the whole matter because then it seemed like well everybody was having that was like eighteen sixty when these sort of started switching to that and by that time people weren't making like many month long journeys by sea ships I was Kirby I suppose it depends on going because if you're not going to one of the major citrus producing regions yes they'll sailing to greenland really look on yet theory Berry but they did get scurvy and they're like oh well we've accidentally just really good animal model for this disease that is still really plaguing people be one and they were studying it in pigeons because pigeons are an animal that also gets berry and in pigeons if you feed them like only rolled a lot of places where they grew limes and they were much cheaper and so they stopped buying their limes from Europe and started just taking the line from the people that they had colonized and facet also a great way to vomit he really really thought that I heard the way to go wanNA squeeze you wouldn't have scurvy drunk yeah you might you might going to like the Arctic and there's nowhere to stop some lemons really stack are not native lines juice but only some people reading fresh meat so like maybe it was the meat it seemed like meat was definitely the issue to the point where by the early nineteen hundred didn't like fresh meat like there were there was at least one expedition where the crew that like went out onto the actual expedition decided that they didn't want to eat like has lemons do but like fresh meat fresh organ meat has potentially fatal amounts of vitamins in it and the crews who and that was pure luck because most animals like the vast majority of animals can make their own vitamin C. But guinea pigs are one of the few that don't so they had like this very simple am-among it's completely backtracked and just completely lost track of the fact that they had totally found the cure for this incredibly simple disease and then the actual cure for scurvy was discovered hey was a really long expedition and be on polar expeditions you don't have a lot of other fresh meat and veggies and there's lots of other things that contain you know not as high amounts of vitamin C totally by accident because to Norwegian researchers were trying to study Berry Berry which is a another vitamin deficiency is a deficiency of thiamine or vitamin ends in the Arctic so like in the late eighteen hundreds they had a couple of I mean there were these very long Arctic expeditions and the crew brought lime juice with them and the when really it was just like fresh meat doesn't have bacteria that kills you and also the vitamin C. doesn't have any time to down so by the nineteen hundreds like they hit lean they get Berry Berry but they decided that they wanted to have like a mammal model so they started feeding guinea pigs grains and the guinea pigs didn't get is with your serotonin and dopamine neurotransmitter so apparently also like explorers who had insufficient human levels and you know America really we made eugenics a thick you know we like to forget about how the Nazis were inspired and enriched by the we had our episode about the wave of nude air bathing among the founding fathers that ended up being about eugenics so here's his ship of four a fleet he had them drink lemon juice I don't know why if he did it prevented scurvy but he insisted on lemon juice fun prank on spotify you can also learn more at upside dot com okay we're back and I'M GONNA jump in with it also say like the symptoms of scurvy are they're bad they're so bad happens wouldn't recommend it yes alike starts where you're just like really tired feel very up tech news that's followed by a rotating roster of puzzles quizzes and winner-take-all debates subscribe now to Popular Science Athlon Tech Ath L. O. N. hallucinate that there was food in front of them and they would wake up like reach for the food and then it wouldn't be there which is just crushing yeah that's horrifying yeah well that's you in every way catches you up on the latest tech news through Games Trivia and friendly competitions that you can play along with each episode starts with the Catholic decathlon featuring ten questions on the week's time one that's about my hometown Violin Jersey where I'm from is a very strange place I'm from the pocket of South Jersey that's like weirdly southern but there are a lot of crazy things roll pastures and healthy climate did attract a lot of like intellectuals or at least a handful of them and the vineland training school which is big presidential special needs school institution that is still thriving today founded on this beautiful mansion for years land it's lovely right in the center of town are starving and all they wanted food like one of the consequences that you're very vivid dreams so they would have these dreams and they would dream about food to the point where they like in fact just up late hurted romp about the American eugenics movement as I've mentioned several times on meters thing because it bothers me a lot and I like to talk about it work of American scientists that was all totally mainstream and I don't think that's something we should forget so it's come up a few times we had our episode about sideshow babies and this story started because growing up I had heard that this guy who worked at that institution was actually the director from nineteen o six to nineteen eighteen on that we're in a short break and then we'll be back with more facts title on then like not very long after a Hungarian biochemists isolated a scorebig acid I K- vitamin C. and limes do not have that say they have about a quarter of common should've whole their story about how he was probably the first person to plead temporary insanity after he shot a newspaper editor for libelling his wife but that's named Henry h goddard that he had invented the word Moron which actually has like you know very dark psychiatric history and idiot which was also why term that he is clinically and the Moron was he said society's biggest problem because while this episode of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by popular science's tick athlon from the team at Popular Science magazine takeoff on Tech News podcast with a twist a weekly show that intelligence testing and he had the best of intentions in the way a lot of time he really allies sterilization of the quote unfit would lead to tens of thousands of involuntary sterilization surgeries and in Ellis island actually he was a big advocate all an idiot would generally just sit and be institutionalized and be cared for Moron could walk amongst us and could have sort of his obsession with IQ he developed the term Moron to be a specific level of impairment about and he really popularize the I. Q. Test in the US and spoiler alert that was very bad it was not a good move but it's too terrible Henry Goddard did not have that hindsight or even that insight and so he became this really big advocate for Sibley truly help them would be to have some way of testing how much help people needed and so he sought out these kinds of early intelligence tests that were being used and saying like we should test people to decide how fit they are to be part of society it is very easy to see where that slippery slope leads and the children know exactly all of this in retrospect seem like really straightforward like when you start categorizing people this way and the problem was entirely salt wow accidentally because a guinea pigs literal Guinea so the lock of Vitamin C. also like back with all this data about how forty percent of Jews Italians and Hungarians were qualified as morons but he didn't say that he told his field intelligence testing and was cited as an expert in his work was cited in the creation of laws and more than half the seats in the US which Lee everybody had kind of shared that as a funny fact that like we're the moron capital of the world because of course now moron is orderly non medical term but in fact had a very clinical use and was a super offensive term so Henry Goddard was really into out violin and I don't know if it's just because I'm like a person who's interested in in learning other ways I'm from I'm kind of like everybody's hometown actually this crazy or is violin and of course in eighteen eighty eight it was called the vineland training school it was called the New Jersey home for the education and care of feeble minded children because that is how people talk that Eugenic family narratives which was where scientists air quotes. Were getting very into these pseudoscientific genealogies that were you supported the idea of having some kind of intervention for people who had cognitive impairments or who you need extra assistance and he said the only way you could onus points if you get some inspiration from weirdest thing episode which I definitely have and my costumes going to be really good so bring it anyway it would be super weird supposedly supporting the idea that certain people just like would propagate unfitness in in the population so Stephen Jay Gould surprisingly crazy I think might be spreading the crazy it was founded in eighteen sixty one as a temperance utopia by this Guy Charles King Landis who like I could tell it was a scientist and writer he called Caltech Family The primal myth of the movement so not good the reason for his bad experiments which is how we get to the Catholic family which is a book that he published in One thousand nine hundred twelve which was part of this whole genre of hit of leg keeping an eye out for more on that will silent and he trained all of these female field assistance which is just so like hashtag white feminism that he was leading from a Greek word for dull he didn't just like pull it out of thin air but he was the first one to be like I'm using this he was very into making up words from Greek words I only seek out test people that looked supposedly like morons the sound very biased Sandra so forty not with this is that we're another podcast so vineland did not pan out as a temperance town but violins rolling agriculture hello and that data was used it was spread as if he had used like large sample sizes of the general population so that was part of a lot of anti immigration propaganda implying the good women who've just graduated from university to go find the unfit people just keeps getting worse not I do know and he can so it's really the story here is that sixty percent of the U. being looked immigrate right they were like look like you might be a little slow we're fine totally fine against all of this is you Dennis and the thing that I was not aware of before I started looking into Goddard's invention of the word more on which of course the Caltex story which was just one of these like tracing back the history of a patient in Vineland like so many of these other books the reason that it was so wildly popular was that he claimed to have found the perfect natural experiment he claimed that when he'd sent some of His lady field workers out looking for more data on this one patient of his who he referred to as Deborah CALC and all talk about her more in a minute he said that they found as the music is by billy cannon if you have questions suggestions or weird stories to share tweet us at weirdest underscore thing thanks for listening weirdos abusive of people in circumstances in jobs Emma had ended up institutionalized in part because her mother did have a pretty rough life and had been me reading divorced multiple times and it seems like she probably was like a bit of a problem teen but like they were very poor and times bad and that really had nothing to do with the family they came from it was circumstance and a lack of access to resources of how eugenics works because this good reputable man you know his his great seed was wasted on the as he dallied with a feeble minded tavern girl that's the exact wording and so that whole lineage is terrible but then you know when he was Komo was on there were landowners there was like an army pilot there were teachers in other words a normal family with an average distance unfounded then there's the fact that tracing back her family line there was no illegitimate son that started a second wave of the family that was was all made up yeah what a surprise so the issue here is that for starters I found those like volunteered as a nurse occasionally and so first of all the idea that she was this like unwell and had all these cognitive impairments was just in writing by the time that this book was published supposedly about how she was the result of generations of bad seeds just in time also for all of the he did his his Christian duty and married a lovely lady who brings up seven upright worthy children for him they're all doctors lawyers just apparently totally made up there were cousins some of whom had good lives and some of whom had bad lives but on the supposedly bad side of the family that to this ancestor that they dubbed Martin Cala CAC who'd been like a nice young boy and he'd had an affair with a fine and instead of saying maybe this means there's nothing to the whole eugenic angle they traced back supposedly in crime having babies the did crime so he claimed they all found them but then they found all these other people with the same last name who seemed from the diagram that made the good family a bad family so they were like this is a perfect example I bankers landowners will they really though now the twist yes so the twist here is that it it's fun little fun little made up words it was he took the Greek words callous for beauty and Keiko's for bad so they were the good bad family so deborah it's education to public support you know if Emma was considered simple when she got to the violent training school it was because she'd never gotten to go to school before and she was reading excellent paper by J David Smith and Michael L. Wehmeyer we're they talk about how Deborah calc whose name by the way with another of Goddard was set pretty low for someone deciding you should go live in an institution she was illiterate when she got her Butler to read and write she worked she and trade and to read and had like beautiful grounds and friends and so obviously she should not have been institutionalized but she did not have a horribly gen-x basically most people who were like intellectuals with money loved Eugenics they thought it was just so reasonable it was considered like tavern girl of ill repute of course then then he'd reformed and married a worthy quaker and as you can see oh how interwoven it isn't so much of our history you know we were talking about the history of birth control a couple episodes ago and talking about Margaret Sanger who is hugely it really hammered home to me reading more about this how many of the people involved in the American eugenics movement like really thought they had the best of intentions and policies like sterilization or institutionalization by yeah it was just considered totally mainstream and there's one thing that I was totally unfamiliar with Alcock was actually Emma Woolverton who was totally fine I mean yes she lived in this institution it was a very different time like the the Bar Nick Yeah we stretch the truth a bit but like that's what you have to do to make the layman understand science which is not true Oregon's yeah and that I learned in reading this so the scopes trial like monkey trial where a teacher was prosecuted for teaching evolution the textbook that eugenics bullshit that was being researched and written about like the actual environment at the violence goal was quite progressive for the time you know people learn a step forward in in enlightenment and just a totally logical thing that nobody could argue with and of course there were degrees and the extent to which people like argued for particular it was printed in in Germany the same year he rose power and we'll just keep reminding people that Americans thought eugenics whistles like not just that they liked except for this guy writing all this about her but the thing that is is crazy about this is that this book was a bestseller and there are quotes from him saying extreme or maybe this is more proof that every part of the history of like both IQ testing and then by extension like sat sons of people and sources did really it wasn't until after World War Two when a lot of the American eugenics movement was like we don't look he was defending had a bunch of eugenics it it it cited the Kavak book as like a proof that eugenics is real and on Iq testing data my thoughts on IQ testing is that IQ testing is the biggest load of bullshit and it's but it's like I have met some really the result of the fact that a if you give a bunch of people attest and those people don't usually use pencils or paper Turkish that as well as some people are just fundamentally less intelligent obviously this fits in with everything we've always believed about races and who's better than WHO and and also better about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast it's free their creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor chance for very long there is for sterilization and institutionalization for a long time after World War Two it's just that the very vocal eugenics movement by that name same kind of like it was like oh no maybe not but yeah no Hitler the book about the Calix he mentioned it thank you for that that was what I was so welcome so yeah in summary Violin New Jersey home of the inventor of the Mason Jar the invention other standardized testing like it's just all terrible it's all based on shoddy science yeah will you you wrote about testing would you would you summarize your your thoughts everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor APP or go to Anchor Dot FM to get started so good that revise and but I think the important thing to remember is that a lot of it was just like revision you know the policies didn't you have been Iq shouldn't be changing rapidly but you see massive changes in Iq especially in developing nations and that's like basically just like everyone talks about it like Oh yeah like you know obviously some people are smarter than other people and so I was real on the average is one hundred and look at these super geniuses who are the illusionist I learned about the many other uses of the word bisexual before it came to a human sexual identity or don't take standardized tests they don't do that well on those tests and that doesn't mean that they're not intelligent it means that they're not good at taking your test but for decades researchers all right we're back and Helen tie high we're GonNa talk about some words yeah well I learnt thanks to someone who Mark Wilkinson what's your what's your like twenty second explanation of of why we know I Q is Bad if I q is supposed to be a fundamental an intrinsic trait the talk about a violent New Jersey yeah fight me I I would put you above Mason Jar I can do all right we're gonNA take a quick break and then we'll be back with Helen distributes your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and more and you can make money on your podcast with no minimum listenership talked to the subset of the weirdest thing I learned this week is brought to you by anchor if you haven't heard home I've I'd say it's a very small minority people who when I talk about Iq testing have any sense that it might be even a little bit wrong like people it but that it was like totally irrefutable mainstream and just think it's important that we ask ourselves like what things we're starting to think of as totally irrefutable in me nutrition lying if you've been malnourished your entire childhood your brain can't develop to its full potential and also you're just probably a lot more concerned with other things than taking a test getting food that's fair yeah so as as nutrition has improved massively and like if you just trained people to take the test they do better on the test which would imply that it's not a test is having him after data's them versus being bisexual will being bisexual as in the attraction you mean like using using the gee and it was the first appearance in English of terms such as heterosexuality sadist and masochist and bisexual but it did also say that any the nineteenth century it was just a Mafra Didik organisms and creatures but not humans the first nine application turn bisexual to me that they had characteristics of both so access van was a it goes back to eighteen twenty four of Aso most has had quite the life and so originally it meant hermaphroditic it was a biological terms like creatures with characteristics of two sexes sex for purposes of procreation was possession so I figured with that name either goes one of

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President Buhari calls for hope in Easter message

Newscast - Africa

00:55 sec | 7 months ago

President Buhari calls for hope in Easter message

"You're listening to the news at this hour. On Africa. Business Radio Precedence. Muhammadu Buhari has urged Ontarians to remain faithful and hopeful as a nation. Five this spread of coronavirus in the country precedence. Bahari in its ESTA message to Germans. Hope that a nation chapel through this most difficult trial. The president urged all stakeholders individuals and groups to play. The parts of the fullest is advised by scientists and medical experts in confronting he also commanded and identified thin consignments and ameliorate strategies put in place by members of the presidential tax polls to combat scurvy nineteen and. That was the news at this time on Africa Business Radio. You can't continue to listen. Live lying at stop. You W. W. Dot Africa Business Radio DOT COM over a mobile APP.

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PodQuiz 801

PodQuiz

13:26 min | 2 months ago

PodQuiz 801

"Eight. Hello, and welcome to quiz eight, hundred and one. Just before we start I would like to thank some people, Tunis Halloween and. Kevin. Tracy Beth and Liam. And an extraordinarily generous donation from Andrew Thank you very much all. Round one. It's an annual anthem's music grant said, they're a four pieces of music listened to for which I would like artist and title and number five is the year in which all of the songs were first released. Question One. To make. You. Do again. Best. West you to. voted. Not Seen each other in. Three. Space. Then you come out against a baby I'm. GonNa. Change Trust me. Four day I say. We break up. You call me I love you. Game Western four. This is the have. This morning. So, Ovidiu. swept. Stove. Question? Five. We're looking for the year in which all of those songs were released. It was the same year that's the Olympic Games were held in London. Round to. Rent. Sue. Is On root vegetables? Question six. Usually eight dark purple color which root vegetable is the primary ingredients of the soup Borscht. Question seven, which of the following is not a root vegetable. Salerio. Planting. Or solidify. Question Eight Which Root Vegetable accounts for twenty percent of the world's sugar production. Question. Nine. What type of vegetable as a dicon all. Maly. Questioned ten. Native to north. America which root vegetable is a member of the sunflower family and shares its name with a holy city. Round three. From three is on movies. You're about five short clips from movie trailers, and in each case at Lucky to tell me the name of the film. Question. Eleven. Twentieth, Century Fox presents. Hanks. Turned into a grownup. Grown up from now what? Get A job. Get A job. Bless June twelve. Feeling we're about to book upon a merced unprecedented expedition. Once they made history. I must see to it that guy. Now they are history. Bill and Ted are dead. It's the grim reaper kid house, an in-depth question thirteen some men change their times. One man changed the world for all time. One hundred thousand Englishmen simply cannot control three hundred and fifty million. Indians. If those Indians refuse to cooperate the story of one man who's voice spoke out for millions. Independent. We. Question Fourteen. Looking for something new elated changes life. You. Want. To stay affects. You try something new. I guess there's this urban going around here at the moment it's about beach to secret beach on the island that no one can get to question fifteen. He'll actually be using four identities. Three will be on them and urban dropbox somewhere. Mr. Will. Most fire station. Boots for the first one. Eight of the art Bruce Willis Richard Gere Sidney Poitier Round for. The Fun or of this week is science and technology. Question Sixteen. The disease scurvy is caused by the absence of which fichman from the Diet. Question Seventeen. We each of these electronic components can be used as a switch. Capacitor. Resistor. Transistor. Question Eighteen? We which is the largest planet in our. Solar System. Question. Nineteen. which scientists roads the nineteen eighty-eight cosmology book a brief history of time. Question Twenty. which temperature is the same on both e Fahrenheit and Celsius Scales Okay. It's time for some music on should be back with the answers in a little over minute after Eric McGill with some called vegetable gardeners. A now. Simple one. Bruce. By a five. Spe. Tools. The fumble young by one. Three We are nefer efficacy but together. Taylor Swift. Before all sky full by adult. The. Twenty twelve. Round to. Frontier was on Route Fetched Bulls and tuna BA sixty primary ingredient of borscht. Is Beet Beetroot. Plantation is not a root vegetable it's safe route. Number eight twenty percents of the world took production is from sugar beet. Nine. The DICON is a type of radish. And pretend root vegetable the chances with the holy city is Jerusalem artichoke. Round Three Rent three movies and the answer to number eleven wolves big. Twelve four bill and Ted's bogus journey. Thirteen was Gandhi. Before team that was the beach. And Number Fifteen. A Round Four. The fund ramp was science and Technology and the answer to them. Sixteen scurvy is caused by a lack of Fiterman C.. Seventeen the electronic components that may be used as a switch is the transistor. Eighteen. The largest planet in our solar system is Jupiter. Stephen Hawking wrote a brief history of time. And Twenty temperature that is the same on the Fahrenheit and Celsius scales is minus forty degrees. That's Quiz Rato One. Thank you very much for listening. You still have a few days to get your answers to me from the president last week Wednesday. The twelfth is a deadline for lease. A few months just before go happy birthday Tom and Jim from will and Alex at select grapes. 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Ep. 911 - The Racial Matrix

The Andrew Klavan Show

46:37 min | 4 months ago

Ep. 911 - The Racial Matrix

"Mobs of far left protesters stormed Seattle, City Hall and demanded that the mayor step down because she is refusing to fund the police who are preventing them from destroying Western civilization protester dirtbag moron. Not His real name told reporters quote sure we can rampage violently through the halls of government, but as long as they're still police around. We can't rape and kill with impunity how a society supposed to have justice when there are still people with the privilege of not being terrorized unquote. The protesters immediately declared the area, the Communist Woke Toe, paradise of Seattle and began spying on people and randomly beating up anyone who looked they might one day have a thought that was not in keeping with their philosophy, which is to spy on people and beat up. Anyone who might one day have thought that was not in keeping with their philosophy. The mayhem only stopped when they ran out of food and had to use their iphones to call pizza hut to tell them that capitalist corporations are evil, and please send over two dozen large pies with Pepperoni and Black Olives because black olives matter the pizza delivery guy and was promptly robbed at gunpoint. Because money is bad, the leaders of the pro, the leader of the protesters dirtbag moron. No relation to the other dirtbag moron. Except being a dirtbag, Moron told him imaginary gathering of happy Conrad's comrades Utopia that exists only in his imagination, but his just like Seattle except not on fire and filled with homeless people. He said quote when all-america. Those now we will at last have justice and possibly scurvy I. Look Forward to the day when no one will go hungry because they'll be a cat in every garbage fire in a car and every ash heap to garage unquote. The protesters say the protests will continue until there is social justice for all or something. Good is on Netflix trigger warning I'm Andrew Klavan and this is the Andrew. Klavan Show I'm. Just to give. Green also say. Should shipshape the Thompson owned. So wonderful. To See. All right welcome and thank you if you have been subscribing to the Andrew Klavan YouTube channel. You're actually making black lives better I. Don't know. Maybe you're not, but you're subscribing making my life better. And that's the important thing. The important thing remember the central idea here is saved Cleveland, and we are looking at your comments if they come into the Andrew, after the Andrew Klavan YouTube channel to get featured on the show. Here's one from Tom Cruise K. R. E. WBZ, so he's disguising the fact that it's the famous actor i. I have officially unsubscribe to the knows Youtube Channel at the same time I must add that I truly enjoy listening to all the Cleveland. He goodness from the Chris Clear sounds from my rake on ear buds. Now feature my comment, please. I believe I pandered to you most properly. Yeah, that's I. think that's that's just about enough. By the way, Knowles is going to be on the louder with crowder. Steven, crowder show so that you can see on Steven crowder's Youtube Channel, and while you're on Youtube, you of course can unsubscribe from Knowles. As I feared trump is cratering in the polls. It's really looking not so good for him and make that makes it possible. that an inchoate ventriloquist's dummy will be the next president of the United States, and it will be the far left doing the talking. The left right now is winning, and they are very bad. People who hate America and wanted to end. That's not extreme language. If the new times is representative of the left and I think it is, they've been. been rewriting the history of both the United States and the Soviet Union for a couple of year, now's years now making the crushing slave communism look good and the fractious, but wealth and Freedom Producing Republic of America. Look bad, which points to the truth. If the Democrats do win, it will be a triumph of the Matrix, a triumph of narrative overreact, and it's the lives of black Americans that are being sacrificed by the left to create that narrative everyone including Fox News everyone is. Is talking about police reform, and of course police have a lot of power and reform is always a good thing and I don't doubt Black Americans experience of the police can be painful and problematic, but attacking the police isn't going to do a damn thing to help people in poor communities, except maybe get more of them killed by the predators whom their streets. It's not going to protect them from the evil black lives matter movement, which openly declares its purpose of dismantling the family. Family the one institution that might begin to help actual BRAC. Black lives racism exists, but black aren't being held back by racism. They're being held back by leftist policies that have made them dependent kept them poorly schooled in house, and yes weakened their families. But if you say that, if at your place of work, you get fired like the NBA announcer who lost his job because he said all lives matter, think about that for a second or the UCLA professor who got suspended because. Because he refused, reschedule an exam in tribute to the rioters, police reform is at the margin of the problem were being forced to the margin by censorship meant to increase white guilt and fear so that we cannot help our black fellow citizens by speaking the truth about the real problems. Let me say this again. 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Christopher Rufo is a contributing editor of my colleague at City Journal, and he's terrific writer and a brave writer, and he lives in Seattle, and he wrote a description of what happened, and I want to read some of it, too, so you don't just have ideas in your head that you're seeing on twitter. He says Seattle's hard left. Secessionist Movement has claimed its first territory six blocks in the Capitol Hill neighborhood for the past week. Black lives matter antique. Affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle, police officers and National Guard soldiers in the neighborhood, hoping to break through the barricade, protesters attacked officers with bricks, bottles, rocks and Explosive devices sending some officers to the hospital at the same time, activists circulated videos of the conflict and accused the police brutality, demanding that the city cease using tear gas and other anti-riot techniques, so not just not just violence. It's the Matrix. It's creating this narrative to make it seem like it's the police doing the bad stuff. Then in a stunning turn of events, the city of Seattle made the decision to abandon the east precinct and surrender the neighborhood to the protesters. This is an exercise in trust and deescalation explained chief. Chief Carmen. Best officers and national guardsmen emptied out the facility boarded up and retreated immediately afterward. Black lives, protesters, ANTIFA. BLACKSHIRTS, and are members of the hard left John Brown. Gun Club seized control of the neighborhood moved the barricades into a defensive position, so that first thing they did by the way was build a wall. Maybe they can get Mexico to pay for it, and they declared at the Capitol. Hill Autonomous Zone Chas. They even put up a cardboard sign at the barricades declaring you are now leaving the US A. One on the. Melanie just say the city government has not developed a strategic response to the takeover of Capitol Hill. According to one Seattle police officer the city's leadership is in chaos, and the mayor's made the decision to let a mob of thousand people dictate public safety policy for city of seven hundred and fifty thousand people, and this is all going on in Portland to. They're now putting barricades and Portland The New York. Times meanwhile is running op eds. KNUCKLEHEAD row that say things like what does it mean to fund the police? What are they meet? What do they mean by that with? This is what they mean. It's not. Not The funding the police. It's defunding the real police so that you can have black shirt police. You can have Nazis Who Call Themselves Anti Fascist? which is hilarious and that's what's happening in Seattle. This is a real thing and this is what Joe Biden is ventriloquist's dummy four. That's really important. Point and I'll show it to you in just a second I. Let's go. Let's go to the Seattle governor. There's going to be cut. Eleven this. His name is Jay Inslee, and he's asked by a reporter about the fact that the most important city in his state has been part taken over by. Armed insurgents has been taken over by armed insurgents and here is Jay inslee governor of of the state. Here's his response. To ask you about. Some of the capital Thomas Zone which are thought about the fact that the protesters have taken that over. Freely. Darn. Well that's news to me. So I'll have to reserve any comment about it I have not I have not heard anything about that. From any. Credible source. Not that you're not credible just. Before I. Espouse an opinion. I should know of which I. Your line fresh Tony Soldiers. At fills you with confidence, doesn't it? That just fills your heart with like Oh. Yeah, this. This is a thing as good control. The mayor Jenny Durkan is one of the ways of starters because she said she wouldn't defend the police, she says an effort to proactively deescalate interactions between protesters and law enforcement outside the East precinct chief. Best Seattle PD officers have removed barricades surrounding the eastern precinct while safely securing the facility. His the leadership and you know Chris Rufo says Oh. These people weren't elected. This is now a control of a major part of a city by people who are unelected. They were elected. They were elected when you elected. People who let them take over. There were elected when you elected. People who let them take over and one of them is a woman named an Akita Oliver a radical activist and former Merrill candidate after night fell this rufo again after night fell in light. Light rain began falling. She spoke to the crowd and outline the ideological commitments behind the occupation. We need to align ourselves with global struggle. The acknowledges that the United States plays a role in racialist capitalism. Racialist capitalism is built upon patriarchy, white supremacy and classism, and of course made the world richer than it's ever been, but let's not say anything about that, and of course was also great for black lives until we were convinced to shut down the economy for months and months and months. The there is also this guy a a rapper. First of all who did men spray painted the police station with slogans and Arca. Symbols renamed it the Seattle Peoples Department Razz, Simone, a local rapper with an AK forty, seven, slung from his shoulder, a pistol attached to his hip screamed. This is war into a megaphone. Here is the rapper. This is cut nine. On or that's actually being nice and let him to stay here for God. We are the police of this community now. Your within. Thirty. Minutes. You're talking about. Around your? Donald Trump's. This just this is a guy. They're beating people up there questioning people they're demanding attribute money to let people get to work. you know they in. They didn't want to defend the police. They wanted to be the police and the when they become the police, they coarser. They're not these are not so. That's what they are. They're Nazis. You know the fact that they. Put forward socialism, some kind of weird. Utopian idea that that's going to work. This time doesn't stop them from being Nazis. They're anti-semites there. You know racist. They're incredibly violent They're not. In Favor of democracy or election, an unfavorable free remember capitalism isn't really an ISM. It's just people trading freely, so they're not against so they're not in favor of that. Either meanwhile opinion on about among white liberals seems to be seems to be shifting toward this evil movement, black lives matter, and of course that is what I was talking about before and warning you about before. Which is the Stockholm Syndrome people feel like they have been held hostage and remember this covert lockdown this Chinese flu lockdown and this and this happening now is all part of the same thing so now we just for Comic Relief I've got to play this. The celebrities who represent I think a certain level of white elite opinion people who are so protected from reality by their position, and by their money that they think that owed wonderful the black lives. Lives matter that sounds so nice. Black Lives Matter I. Get it. They're going to check their privilege. And that's really going to help. The Guy who's being murdered the child who's been murdered murdered by gang members in La Right now. The murder rate is up two hundred and fifty percent, and it's gang member spraying bullets around who gets killed innocent black people, but their lives don't matter, but celebrities with them. Celebrities with them here is cut twenty A. Wonderful. Montage of celebrities checking their privilege. I take responsibility. I take responsibility. I TAKE! Responsibility I take responsibility for every unchecked moment. For every time. It was easier to ignore then to call it for what it was. Every not so funny joke. Every unfair stereotype. Every blatant injustice, no matter how big or small every time I remained silent. Every time I explained away police brutality. Or turned a blind eye. I take responsibility. Black people are being slaughtered in the streets killed in their own homes. That's true, but not by the beliefs, but amazing thing is once that video came back then came out of nineteen black people who were slaughtered in Chicago last weekend I believe I believe it was nineteen and may have been more. can came back to life. They came back to the celebrity power I. Just Sheer Star power brought those people back to life. So that's that's a good thing. We can always look forward to that now. You doubt that this is going to be ventriloquist through Joe Biden, listen to him this. This may run over a little bit, but this is Biden on. The police says cut fifteen. I. Don't believe we should be funded, but I think the conditions should be placed upon them or departments are having to take significant reforms related. We should set up national use of force standard if they don't sign onto it then. In fact, they don't get any federal money. So! They get funded, so he is. He is saying because he's gotta be. That Joe Biden middle of the road face. He saying he doesn't want them defended, but if they don't obey, they'll be defended now. Here is Biden on Donald Trump. This is three. This is going to try and skilled collection. This the guy who said that all male imbalance are fraudulent. Voting by mail while he sits behind the desk in Oval Office in writes his male invalid vote in a primary. This is a guy you have twenty three I believe is days passed over over. Eighty? Two pieces of legislation making it harder for people hard. That's why we're putting together a major initiative lawyers to go out and make sure that we're in every single district in the country to patrol this. So remember when spreading doubt about our electoral system remember when that was a terrible thing, a horrible horrible thing that trump did, but who monkey with the election, last night, Barack, Obama and Democrat Party is coming out now, but it's being obscured by these riots, and I think that's part of the reason. The press loves this stuff is because it's burying the fact that they buried the fact that Barack. Obama really did screw with our elections, and the Democrats tried to overturn our elections by legal means using what. Undercover of law. They tried to overturn our elections over. Absolutely nothing an in an illegal manner undercover of law now finally I just WanNa. Play Terry McAuliffe who is a biden surrogate and former Clinton. Crony. Talking about Biden's campaign strategy Kuffour. People say all we gotta get personnel the basement. He's fine on the base for. Two people seem day his to body people last at and let trump keep doing what trump's doing. It's hard for the vice-president. The breakthrough you've got the COVID crisis. He's not a governor. Done even national. Guard is at the present on have a brief hero. He needs to come out strategically when he says something like he did on race relations two days ago. It needs to have a big impact thoughtful preferring that he actually do at the time. There should be their campaign slogan. Keep Biden in the seller. You know the thing is what's trump doing? He's doing what we told them on the show to do and you know if you relieve the poets, unacknowledged legislators of the world. He's meeting with black leaders meeting with his black business friend leaders he's. He's taking care of the police reforms. He's studying that himself He's GonNa come out eventually. He's got to come out eventually make. Make a speech telling people we actually supposed to the media says he is, but what they know is, the media will fight for them. They know the media will cover up the mainstream news. The networks aren't even covering Seattle. They're not covering Seattle. A major American city is being taken over by Nazis and they're not covering. It's just not happening, but trump trump bad man, bad orangemen, bad orangemen bad all right. Let us talk for a moment about. You Know How much we love ROCK AUTO DOT COM. Why because we love saying Iraq auto dot com I mean it just makes us feel cool right, but it's also very useful to say rock auto dot com, because if your car needs apart and is not running, you get in your car and pretend to drive to the car parts store, and then make believe you're ordering apart. It's just not going to get you very far. Especially when all you have to do is GONNA ROCK AUTO DOT COM, not only do you get to say Rock Auto Dot Com? 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Hitchcock used to say the police are the only people who can say come with me and you have to go with them, and so always always issued police reform on. They should be taught not to abuse their power. Always they should be taught empathy with the community. All these things are. Are True, and so it's not a bad thing is not a bad thing that they're talking about police reform. It's just a distraction from the fact from what is bothering black Americans in this country. That is the problem. It's part of the Matrix is a wonderful thing when you can use something real to become part of the Matrix so the brother of George Floyd. Felonies Floyd made his statement and it was very moving. It was very touching. Of course it is his brother's dead. He watched this horrible horrible video of this guy pleading for his life as the police I mean you know, let's let's let's not forget. Let's not forget that this was a bad incident. It was about available on video we are talking about. Something, that is very narrative pop up powerful, an individual story is always powerful as mouse said one tragedy is one one death a tragedy. Millions of deaths are just pissed, and so what we on the writer talking about a statistic. The left has a narrative advantage and so here's Filippini's talking about this and again like I said it's very powerful. It's cut six. I'm here to ask you to make it stop. Stop the pain. Stop US being tired. Joe called for help and he was ignored. Please listen to the cloud I'm making to you now. To the calls about family and the cars ringing out the streets across the world, people of all backgrounds, genders and races have come together to demand change. Honored Him. On a George and make the necessary changes that make law enforcement the solution. And not the problem. Hold them accountable when they do something wrong. Teach them what it means to treat people with empathy and respect. And he goes on and makes perfectly reasonable. You Know Chang train them about the use of force in the the deadliest, not as defined. The police say it was a very. Rational speech and again very emotional, wiser very emotional, because we care about our fellow citizens, because we're not racist because he's not a racist country. There's not racism you know, somebody somebody said who was it. They said that racism was like Corn Syrup. It was in everything I think it was one of the talk show host something like that, but if that's true, you can't do anything about it. You can't pluck the bones out of a fish, right. It's just not gonNA happen, and so that's why they do it. That's why they do what they attack things that can't be changed in order to keep the drumbeat. Drumbeat going? It's got to keep going because this is an industry. This is an it's a combination of two things. It's just like when Hitler came to power, there were people who thought we can use Hitler See. We're GONNA put him in power. Because he's going to help us. Businessmen would think this, and then once you know he. We have what we want. We just get rid of them. Just get rid of them. This is the same thing that's exactly the. The same thing is happening now there are people kowtowing to this violent left these violent left wing extremists, because they're trying to preserve an infrastructure and bureaucracy of of welfare and patronage, and all these billions of dollars that are poured into neighborhoods through government jobs. So this gives the Democrats enormous power. It gives the bureaucracy enormous power. It keeps black. People enslaved to these handouts. It keeps them dependent. It keeps them mediocre. It keeps them in their neighborhoods and. And meanwhile their schools are terrible. Their public schools are just awful that too that too is the teacher's Union. That is such a big backer of the Democrat Party. So it's all like an illusion, but it's not. It's not created out of nothing. It's created out of real problems that the Democrats have fostered and maintained all these fifty five years since the great society began, and so when this this man gets up and he talks we all I feel it i. Feel his pain. I feel is suffering. Why because I'm an American? He's an American and I understand that this is a bad thing, but it still using narrative an emotional our to drive us away from the center of the problem, which is families, which is education, which is jobs, which is faith and morality and things that make lives work for white people. The make things work for white people. People, but we don't WanNa tell black people about them because we've got this big system of keeping them in place called the Democrat Party. It's been doing it since this country began been doing this since the Democrat Party began keeping black people down in his doing it still, and this is a matrix created by the enormous industry of communications that they own. They own it and you know. I'm sorry, but it is on us, you know we know this is the problem and again. I've talked about this a million times I'm GONNA. Say it one more time. Trump is the only guy who understands that this is the issue. Everybody else say Oh, we'll don't say that. Don't see that because they're afraid of getting sued. They're afraid of losing sponsors. They're afraid of all the things that happened to you. When you tell the truth about black people in America, when you say the black lives, matter is evil. You lose your sponsors when you say that black lives matter is evil, you lose your, so you were rewarded for calling good evil and evil, good and the only guy who. WHO GETS THIS IS DONALD TRUMP and the very traits that make him able to stand up to. It are the very traits that make him very unappealing guy to a lot of people, and yes is are his words taken out of context? And yes, they lie about him every day. They sure do they lie about it's. It's insane I mean I don't know how they live with themselves the way they misrepresent what he does, and who he is, but still his character, his personality, the way he speaks is very. Very, very off, putting to a lot of people, and he plays in the very fact that he fights back against them the way he does that, he has that character is also the same thing that makes them so appealing. That is a tragic fact. I'm not blaming him. I'm just telling you. That is the truth and you can see it in the polls now. He's changing his ways. He's taking some of the advice from Klavan. Since we're, we know. I'm always one hundred percent correct. He can still turn. Turn this around, remember we're dealing partly, we're dealing apart with the madness comes at the end of a crisis, the madness that comes at the end of the lockdown and the hysteria about the Chinese flu. That's coming to an end when things come to an end, there is craziness and that's this craziness. The left is going to be doing everything it can with all the power of its narrative to be to keep that craziness alive until the elections, they are going to be working and working on working on it. If. We sent him there to be the voice that talks back. He can't hide in in the White House. He's got to come out and talk. He's got to be visible all the time. He's going to start doing his rallies again. And that's a good thing. And of course it's going to be hilarious. The whiplash are going to get as suddenly. Chinese flu becomes dangerous. Again is going to be hilarious. That's just you know where one of those. Those neckbraces, but look every now and again somebody else speaks. There was a lady named Angela under a Davis whose brother is a police officer who was murdered, which happens about twice as much as unarmed people being murdered, and about five times as much as black unarmed people being killed by the police. Right that happens a lot more and she went before Congress, and this is what she had to say about her brother, a dead police officer. The heartbreak and the grief is inexplainable because it's very very hard to articulate when your entire world has been turned upside down. I do want to know though when I think about all of this is that my brother wore a uniform. He wore that uniform proudly. I'm wondering. Where is where is the outrage for fallen officer? That also happens to be African American. Whereas the outrage for fallen officer who's African American where's the outreach for the children get shot by the in these drive by shootings by the stray bullets, sitting in their little yards, and the bullet comes in, and just takes out a two year old in Chicago I mean wear that. Where's the outrage and the feeling and the heart for the old ladies in those communities who? Can only go outside. When the police were there, they can only go outside. When the police were there. You WanNa know what the funding the police looks like. It looks like that rapper with an AK47 being as a bully. He's a fascist bully. These guys are all fascist bullies every single one of them. And then you've got Don Lemon on TV going, but they see do. You see you if as they must be I mean it's. It's an amazing thing we're seeing. It is amazing triumph of narrative and you know we let it happens. We let it happen because we're always gonNA panic. We're in a panic now. I can tell I mean. I'm getting the letters I. Hear what you're saying I. Hear what you're talking about. We're in a panic now when we think we've got to deal with this right now. And maybe we do I mean this is a pretty bad situation, but if if if we pull this out, if trump comes back, and he pulls this out the next day, the very next day, we will forget we will forget that we need to build a narrative will forget that we need to build a narrative machine. We will forget that we need to go into black communities and speak to them from the right and say you. You being gamed, only trump has the guts to do that. He's the only person has the guts to do it. If he wins, we will forget the next day that that's what all of us should be doing all the anti-trumpers, all the never trumpers. You don't want to support trump fine, build a narrative that will work build a narrative that will speak for us when he's gone. Because otherwise man, he's guys will run the country with. Joe Biden as their dummy. All Right? I've been telling you I. Know a lot of you have not subscribed to the all access high tier of the daily Wire and you wind and complain Oh. I have to feed my children. My children hungry. My children cry. You know come on, I mean. Let's let's PAT priorities priorities. You WanNa be with the daily wire, but because we understand you know. Being evicted is not as much fun as it looks. We understand we have a lower tier of subscription that you can afford. In fact for the first month we will give it to you for ninety nine cents, which is even less than a dollar I mean let's face it. It's a dollar. Two for a dollar, and after that, it's three bucks a month thirty six dollars for the year. You can get the articles ad free get the daily wire exclusive articles you can use the APP and it is and the motion warnings. The ads are gone, which makes it much more fun and easy to read. The sites come to the daily wire dot com slash, subscribe and join. Join today and they don't have a place where you can put my name into just do it, you know do with black lives matter doomed to scroll my name on the walls. some building that you're walking by my son. Spencer Cleveland is GONNA come on. We're GONNA talk about culture, because everybody panics, and they forget the culture, but the culture is everything coming right up. All, right, who is spins reclaim your. They give me a little thing. Then I can read off so I know who spent circling. See. You're talking about the. Dissolution of the American family or watching right here, I have to read his introduction of. Assistant, editor of the Claremont Review of books, which is a fat marketing this before he worked there, I was telling you about the Claremont Review Books. It is the best. It is a great great magazine. The American mind is the younger version that's kind of on this on the Internet and he's got a great podcast I just listened to the latest episode yesterday. The young heretics which you can get young heretics dot com I get it off apple because I just can't handle all these different places, but expense how you doing. Hey It's good to see you. Can I bring that introduction sheet over next time? I come to have a drink so that you remember. You are exactly. Just where it just wear it on, your shirt is like. Oh, it's the assistant editor from the Claremont Review Board. So I'm bringing you on at a moment when Seattle. Seattle is fallen. people are in a panic trump's poll numbers of of drop and you're sitting around talking about the Bible and Plato. Your last thing about Plato Symposium One of the greatest pieces of work. What can we tell you like? What do we tell you? Why does this matter? I know you know I go on twitter and I look out at this what feels to me like just this vast landscape of despair and anger, and I feel it to their their defacing statues of Winston Churchill. One of the greatest men ever to live without whom there would be no concept of freedom or liberty or quality to currently exist in the world I'm watching that and I get angry. I feel like the only thing to do is just go out and scream and yell about the culture and I think that obviously is incredibly important to be having those. Those fights, but you know see US Louis about whom I will do a podcast episode next week Cs. Lewis said once during world. War Two a cataclysm, a big cataclysm said you know the war creates no absolutely new situation. All it does is aggravate the situation that we're constantly in people. Forget in times of prosperity. That is the West. The West is tiny light of reason and truth and goodness in people carried long they pass it off. It's been done before right, but we theorised writes in prison before before being killed my personal favourite Cicero, the Great Roman statesman. Great works political philosophy basically before he's executed, the republic crumbles in the Empire Falls and who picks up CICERO, but John Adams right. America is the next in this line so look. Do I think this is like the end? No, I do not, but even if it is, this is our whole job our whole job, even if we're about to get taken out, is to be enriching ourselves and others with the tremendous wealth that is, it is our responsibility to pass on, and we'll be better for it, and in the end our enemies, even if they triumph in this world are GonNa be worse off in the long run, and we are going to be on the winning side. You know I always tell people who story of calling you up when you were in England. I just been reading some Plato and I said Geez. I is really depressing me nostalgic for the days when socrates could walk about the Agora discussing philosophy, and those his long pause, and then you said that they killed socrates, and so we have to remember that this is not. Unique a unique moment well I was listening to your is eight, and you have this wonderful on the on the website rejoiced dash. Ever you have this wonderful translation of Isaiah and you started talking about the Bible and why the Bible matters, even if you don't feel that your religious, give me a little of that. Yeah no sure I mean look. People are in all sorts of different places right now when it comes to belief in God, obviously I am a Christian. I believe that the Bible is the true source of Divine Truth that tells you about everything that is true about the world. But people are on all sorts of stages in the journey toward thinking about that and they tend I think we have this atmosphere. This fashionable atmosphere that nobody's smart believes in God anymore, and so all of that stuff is just kind of just superstition. It's old fashioned superstition I. Call This Chronological Chauvinism. The idea that everybody's smart was born after nineteen fifty. You know, and of course that's preposterous. If you sit down and think about it for five seconds right, the great intellects of. Of all time Thomas Acquaints Saint Augustine, all of them have believed in some form of Deity. Aristotle, even the Greeks were not Christian, and so the Bible is not only scripture for Christians and Jews it is also the vast cultural repository of at least fifty percent of the wisdom of the West. Right Athens in Jerusalem are the two great pillars of this civilization that we build across generations so to shrug off. The Bible is just old superstition. It's cutting your left foot off basically. I'm always talking about narrative and the way they build narrative, and they do exactly what you say kind of make you feel like you're a dope. If you believe in this stuff in science has done, they have that word science, which now means absolutely nothing, and they say well science has proved it. Guys have been writing to me and saying we've now proved that there was no exodus of the Jews. There was no Moses I mean. This is the kind of thing you know. They used to make they. They made fun of that Guy Schliemann. When he said there was really a Trojan war, and then he discovered troy so I mean these kind of dismissive attitude. They take a narrative building. It's a way of making you feel like you shouldn't open your mouth, so we're talking about. You're talking about the Greeks. Talking about things coming from Athens and Jerusalem and you did this show. I thought it was unbelievable this weekend your show, young heretics, young heretics, dot com, and you did on the symposium which is. Just a beautiful, beautiful book. My son by the way began translating a for me, but he never sent me the rest of his translation I. Just I. Just wanted to just WanNa. Bring that up. It, neither of US is dead yet. It's going to happen. You don't WanNa. You don't WanNa. Cut It too close. Though, but the thing is. You talked about this as a story about love. It's about people making speeches about love, and you talked about in relationship to Sigmund. Freud which I thought was really interesting point. Yeah! You know people always think that or they? We tend to assume that that socrates in Plato's dialogue is basically just Freud before? There was Freud because I, too. So obsessed us. That's all we can think about in Freud's ideas. Basically everything just boils down to sex right everything boils down to your animal urges, and all the other stuff that you do all of the romantic love that you profess all of the institutions and the civilization that we built. It's all just kind of a substitute for our sexual called supplementation and Plato Talks About Sexual Desire. If it were part of this bigger things, so people think that he's talking about supplemental, everything is just. Just sex, but in fact it's the opposite. It's a much deeper view in Plato. which is that your sexual drive and romantic love is just the first part, the tip of the iceberg to this enormous force that animates the entire universe, and so you know people were. Freud makes a stupid Freud makes us think that you know everything that we do is just disguised for some animal impulse, which totally erases all of the color out of the world and players has no. That color is real, and your romantic love is the first step to it. It's the first step on the road to this sort of vast immortal eternal love that animates the whole world. So when you talk about. Athens and Jerusalem these are two separate streams I mean because that that doesn't sound like quite like. Christianity, but it sounds like it has a relationship with Christianity and I've heard Plato called what like one of the Prophets one of the prophets before the profits that one of the profits before Jesus What is the relationship between Plato and and Christianity? Yeah this is this is really important. Because Christians can get a little bit antsy about listening to the Greeks right because they're pagans, they're they're there before fight Jesus, and you know people sort of feel like and also their ways are very different from ours I mean I talk about this in the symposium episode, so so Christians were very rightly defensive of their Christian Orthodoxy are worried about learning from anything outside of the Bible, but you know in the Bible Isaiah, my favorite Prophet, whom I'm translating. Isaiah says that one day through the Messiah all of the different nations, not just God's chosen people. People the Jews, but all of the different nations are GonNa. Come flocking to God's mountain bringing all of the stuff that they've made all of their gifts and talents in the works of their hands and I think that is the tremendous image for the fact that God created the entire universe and everybody who sees wisdom is getting this kind of like half inkling of that's what I love about the Greeks there. They haven't got Jesus, so they haven't sort of seen. What I think is the full picture, but they're so profound in their wisdom that they're like tapping up against the glass and so. So right so plato as this thing that you kind of transcend your body, you move beyond your body to attorney at once you get past your sexual desires than those that leads you into this deeper hire, more profound love, and you can kind of forget about. Your body doesn't really matter what you do. What sex is how you do sex, or whatever and I think that the Christian genius is to take that, because of course, Plato was a tremendous influence on people like Augusta and Christian. Christians took that that profound insight that your sexual drive and romantic love is one step up the ladder. Ladder Toward Eternal love and it says, but you can't leave your body behind because you're in your body, this is the incarnation right you are. You transcend your physical desires to to to understand the deeper in the higher love, but then it matters very much what you do with your. This is why we care about sexual ethics, because then in your body, you have to embody all of that stuff that you've learned from the transcended lots. You don't leave your body behind you. You take from the the wisdom of God and live it out in this physical jar of clay. We call it. And they and they knew this I mean. They knew that they were in dialogue with the Greeks wasn't like an accident. They didn't bump into each other. They knew that this was the these were two cultures coming together. Yeah, no absolutely. And this is just you know the Christians. So Augusta Guston for example right basically just converts almost through Plato he almost sort of learns. You know to to to reach God and to to come to come to Christianity by by reading certain books of Plato, he says certain point, and this is you know tremendously important because there have been some tallying is a good example. Somebody who's just that's what has Athens to do with Jerusalem's. Or why does it matter? You know that we should listen to these kind of stupid old old Greeks. Who didn't have the Bible but many of the other Christians throughout history? Augustine and Aquinas have known that the Greeks have wisdom that they are basically fulfilling Christ fulfills the wisdom of even the dental. You know I noticed that you in your latest in this symposium one I think it was You quoted me describing your show is as we're reading homer and screw, because one of the things about the young heretics is that you don't really engage with the with leftist idiocy at all, you just basically deal with the works. That's a Revolutionary Act, isn't it? Well right I mean people have accused me of just engaging in the culture wars kind of sneakily by another route, and that's that's kind of true. You know I think that the people that we are fighting with. The identity politicians the people tearing down statues. The people telling us we shouldn't read Shakespeare because he's racist. Those people have no new ideas, no good ideas, and so when we get caught in this trap that we have to engage with them. We have to take account of their ideas. You know even so that we can refute them. But but that leads us down this rabbit hole of just trying to argue with idiots who are not arguing in good faith, right? They're not arguing to learn from us, and we learn from them, which would have just got? They're arguing to tear our civilization apart. That is why they are doing. What they are doing is why they say everything. They say even if they point out something true, they're saying it so that you'll get distracted and they can punch in the jaw. That's what we're dealing with so so point. Point of gung heretics is kind of look I. Mean we have to fight that? You have to figure out we would win that fight, but we also have to not let the our whole world, because these fights are going to be over one day, and our lives, our lives on this earth are going to be over. They will be as the life of a NAT compared to our infinite lives in heaven in the world to con- so we better be talking also about the stuff that is going to endure. Spencer Clayton I. 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Just tell us about so many spent a lot of money on you. Love it, you, you know, you don't want to apologize for I gonna tell anyone, whoever is a newer, no, no, no, no way from India. Oh yeah. So I'll tell I realize I'd love it. I'd love you know everyone day. I'd love the money. I'd like to spend on some pig indulgence so that says, no, no, no, I don't. Stuff like that. Getting out of whatever I said, please, please place a beg of you. Please show me and he says, all right, I got a fucking Gould. Clin. He says, I said, well, you Goldie says fucking goal, taps gold walls. Goal seats. Good threaten carpets of fucking gold play thought we self won't could on here. Does he fly that just came into the garbage. Oh, I. I mean, it'll be. Shit, though that's supposed be heavy wanted golden takeoff gold in-store. He said, so that was a nice little story about Tom Jones. I mean, I just want to emphasize because I've told told the star, what I'm FAS that lovely fowleri was now reluctant. He was to tell the story and how obviously it must have been so many. He didn't want to get out in Boston about it, and he didn't want it to get all. Thousand dollars seven and and Gary was literally as well. Wipes questions. Questions from. First one's ever simple unday do you watch mob wives. Nor Bob's wife. I do not watch mob wives. I've even heard of it. Excuse me in the crime club, Emma crime club, you ever what you don't know, mob y, the single half hour of television. But you kidding me is this couple of weeks watching the first series game of thrones to try get an art. And how did you find really? I mean, I watched the first series left a bit of a gap. I don't know two months till I watched the sector. I have no idea what was going on. So I I at the end of the first one, I did have sufficient motivation to try the second book. It's quite complicated than it seems to be mostly genealogy. Yeah. No, I know what you mean. He's he. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fighting. It's a math. It is like medieval. Boots. You say you don't know mobile, like you've say that you've only recently watch game throw us. Yeah, but I'm a weather for a few years now. You'd be nothing to go games thrones? Yeah. So what's that all about your oversea lately? Aware of GAM thrown. I'm aware of it. But are you doing the mob wives? You know, you well on even aware, move, wives unprepared to give try. Will you give a track and I give it shy this next week combat. I would tell you what you think of wives. Okay. Face electric channels, then it's on. I t v b is not be not just be be the in between the bay. Yeah, so we'll thank you for that. So suppose you if you haven't seen that you haven't seen it. And you wife questionable. So unday you look like Greg Wallis is no. Is. Hello. Hello can finish the wife question place, very disrespectful. You'll like Greg Wallis. Is that why you had him? Do you feel his success should be yours? First of all, don't look anything like Greg, she don't know. Yes, you do know. Greg Wallis looks like Bunsen honeydew from the moments. I don't know. The scientists doesn't go on the ice, but he was gossips. While the vague? Yeah, that's that's Gregg Wallace. And that's not me. That's not a you're looking at right now Mulia server who'd you look like right now. If you put my car, my goal is county on and some of his design specs, so it's a big stretch in, isn't it? I've got to dress. It was a. Cardigans. In Paris. Go around head what you don't trust them. Why don't you just is motives? What do you think is motives? Are. Televisual domination. No, that's not as many followers on Twitter as he possibly come. That's what you so you don't trust that motive. No. Just anybody with lots of followers onto, I've got more follows in, you know, you've just you either. Okay. Well, it's gone. It's a bit of a blind alley. I'm with the wife there. I think you'll resentment is based on the view thing. I I'm look not only light. Greg Wallis could sell veg by name. I could eat food than them. Well, of course the so why? Why? Why isn't it be is that's where we'll be may eventually both. Maybe it will be this podcast going to be a springboard. Yeah, to me being on whatever the two thousand and thirty three equivalent of master chef is well. I mean, you'll be dead by then. So you know how turns out book. Third question from new wife. Unday I'm aware that you fervor, cheap cuts of meat ghost flank rob, its wings, that sort of thing. But have you ever tried ten beefburgers uh, think you and your family would flourish on them? What do you mean by flourish? What a shame by flourish. Oh, seven. She means the sevens. Any English speaking person means that you thrive, you thrive. A nutritional set, new skin would glow. Your bones would stop creaking. You might input heighten some of that now never tried tin. Beefburgers. Other are thing you very disparaging about the beautiful. You can get a chicken in con- chicken. And can you know in front is considered a delicacy because soaks? Pardon me? What was your breath. You could fill your boots for them when you're over them. When you're over them hoop ring with its, we hope to your egg recall, hugging offers and at ten, a ten to chicken. Excuse Montella for netra. Ella chicken de LA can the Scalia of all grown. Poof, avoids Mexican. Yeah. Get your point across. That's the end of the wife's questions them lead anywhere in particular. No, them not treaded water without a bit this week as a recommendation. I really, really strongly recommend that ten checking on as quiet. Mob wives. I'm not going to send lives under tin chicken. Yeah, and a tin beefburger just one fill your pan with fat and you left with them, but a leather, tasty leather. So what else would we like to got some questions for you? Paul, I don't what you've given me relatives of mine, but other just bogus like these twits things. These are all real questions from blood role of all right. Well, let's get through quickly if you don't get inside your mind and your lifestyle bulb as a million living in booking shift pleasure to with your sword, move to booking Charbagh. Could you please all right stock in. Bob is a millionaire living in a booking should pleasure them with your solid gold hip replacement. Do you allow your servants to her free electricity in their cores or the Maitland generate their own with exercise bikes picked up shape from the outlet on EBay. I don't have any servants living book into next question. How the power the quotas I don't live in book, haven't denied it. Don't give them free electricity. You'll need to deny the years as exercise bikes. Tallied at work. Occasion that you let them have some free time to themselves. I don't have any service. Next question. Bob as a millionaire live in booking pleasure dome with your solid gold hip replacement and your addiction flower nectar. Do you allow your servants to operate under their God given names, the issue them new identities once the arrive from Collier new identities, which could consist of anything from random series of numbers to contemptuous grooming noise. Refers previous answer out only do light night ado lightning to not do piece has been stripped away that the edifice tiny little pit. Yeah. And when I'm in accordance according raise, sometimes by nectar. Nectar thing. I don't know what you call it and you don't pick on this for it, but it's to attract homing buds. I refer you to my previous answer plus I add the, I actually do like nectar. So do you refer to them as that proper names like Carlos, I referred to previous prefer refer. Have you got another question. Bob as a millionaire living in booking should pleasure dome with your soul, hip replacement addition, flower nectar, and your walk in buff made of ivory all busted. Can you confirm or deny the existence of Bob fest, an annual event that you who ran the buck of your orchard attended by the local parish councillors and the dirt. You'll Oldman in which you will join hands and foam circle while you're poor servants, forced dance, Nick to the complete musical works of you'll soon do and a giant puddle impo- filled with swore Fager fest. Tell me about gots fest. It does exist. I don't really servants I haven't other replacement by you would think of it replacement. The way I move is beyond me Boise, your good mover. Yeah. So k. you know, you can't deny that unday. I'll belong to send you steps before we'll get what when we leave this building, what we on me. All right. We'll textbook right will all right film it with regard to the rest of it refer previous had some. I don't. I'm a million almost chargeable I chose to do. There is no such thing as both fest. Also. It's free. There's no such thing as fast. All right. CHA, you finish. License, wouldn't you? You probably get as a buck. I'm the from the parish councillors. You let Komen anyway because of so sweet with the alderman? Yeah. You know, I it just all sweet dirty old. I'm not so on. Fill the swore fake. You said what you said when they sweet with yellow Musa cast are that we respond wh what you say, kissed ops, knock the elder. I'm gonna sit stoked. I was saying, kissed him. I just paint a pack. I think just the alderman well, kiss. Did I ever tell you about when I went well cope? You wanna talk which one? This was the one I'm specifically wanted to talk about as the welcome Spain night NATO. Yeah. Did ya tell me story about shit the, you know the name of the Moscow of the Wilco ITO? The official Musco Spanish one. L. tubes? Nope. Mobile was on the Arkansas. Just one guess I always going to be with me. It's like endless questions near the footballer. Other guests? Oh, no LaSalle. No less Salva mono Narin g tool. Jay talk that Lauren. She was all right. Shows a really sweet Lauren. Jerry was sweet boy anyways. So as did up Tabah told you about some stuff about that time? Yeah, about losing the Kazin ship it. No. Love giving it away. No, it was just I, I've never forgotten because it was really visceral thing because the England England support has come is 'co. Yeah. An older had was like a pit about four deep got, but about five foot five. Festival coveted planks with a hole in the middle. Yeah, you just bent punts down bent over Jaap JI Todd's in the pet. Yeah. Well, as you date was, it is about four foot day. Was the noticeable of polls between it leaving your body in in the in the hape? I don't remember that. I don't remember that it pretty. You have to be like twenty faith of there being about four, the an. And date would you like to be a blow? I mean, this is four, five foot by five foot by four foot. So I don't know how many cubic fates of Todd dies, but that's quite an full for them to show quite quick. It was. It was cleared. All right. That's dice. That was nice of them punish infrastructure. So anywhere Maki, drink a. What happens to you know, you think through is obviously going to weapon. He bent down with his punts around his ankles and the carcase van case that brought us all the way through front suspend fell in to the top Todd pet. Yeah. Clink right. And can you imagine. Much. We took the plank of couldn't see it. We got a tent pole. Submerged, we've got saddened pulls the stirred above. It couldn't find it, but this only way home I was getting home. So this reminds me of member cry jobless job Francis. Yeah, when the stuff, the trip triple of blancmange and yet I got an apple, but we move. Yeah, reminds me. Yeah, I wouldn't instantly timely mouth on the way. Would you try the pool? I so anyway, Mickey drink again. I promise you, it went, went down on defense, go in there and he found them today promise you found them and find anything else in that. Fuck he's only saving grace was on the wall, and they abide the for the cups that about five of those, like, you know, you get this continent, swimming showers, just I dog cold. Yeah, showers that about five of them on never forget when he had all these things -rupt toned his nose for the smell. And when he run out with the through the keys on the grass, an run into all of the showers why he really was on how many I was. Did he spend in the show was afterwards. Oh, I can still now. Room, twelve hours till I was absolutely certain call showers gold. That's almost not worth bother. He's a brave man. You drink any? Is he still around around the mouth of his buddy beautiful skin. Skin. Let's discoveries amid isn't it? Yeah. Through oxidants science for you. Unday kind of bring some dope go on. Then it's like, I don't know whether you're going to be annoyed with me when we go here. So I've written it down. I saw. It's going to, you know, you've got your what you call it. Not script. You're right, and you knew Tubbatha Huntley mystery and it was out on the desk through that where we got the. Yeah, and this is the extract. So for me from that you've written goes Tubbatha had never been inside an as the stall before and found the smell of still not as in check suit overpowering. She covered a fest with a list gloved hand and walked out to the meat counter where the mysterious Amdi had promised to rendezvous. She stood waiting is the beside counter system sliced up lump of happy luncheon meat would her investigation into the death of the wife of wealthy socialite Bob Waterman finally make progress suddenly and arrived. He was handsome and muscular well-dressed athletic and holding a lot of expensive electronics equipment. She couldn't help but have an instant attraction towards him. So what's this all about impress, you know, some of the names might get changed in the final edit, but where it's what you do in that, it's it's just incapable all the top of holy stuff. I've done in the past melanoma at the top of the Hyundai novel, but wh what's going on in your mind when the wife of Bob Waterman has been killed, the heroes blood called a handsome boat with lots of electronic equipment called unday. Yeah. What about you pretty is reading a coincidence. That's that you won't be Ted this hour. She don't either. Well, I mean, I worry because it's if if your obsession with also the socialite bub Waterman and his wife is really socialize, doesn't say he's finished it yet. It doesn't say, is he a millionaire? Probably is. Does he have servants for. You say, my worry the, can you say like I'm gonna crime club has every night on the tally. Can you say drew when the Meccan the links? Yeah, same fifteen years. But you know, when I've been killed an this link to this novel, you riot paranoid mitt getting paranoid. Yeah, do these hot tub. Let's hear on that one of the side effects. Ching paranoia. Nah, I don't get annoyed all muscle pens from them. Kidney problems take rattle right. The teeth of gun loose through mentally, you find mentally. Absolutely fine. You know, you'd say that wouldn't you you very disparaging, but you know, you can give shit about my problems just about when red? Yeah, totally different than negative way. Oh, it's magic, paranoid. Do you know looking at you and if you don't mind me saying it, could it could be you who sofas without problems? I don't. Think so. And that no offense. And then you'll be on the phone said on Bob Boca, Snuka it up. Can you? Can you give us an good mechanic summit a? What was them pills that you use? I'll be all right. I'm gonna live forever mate. Was just dumb. Have you parents from heart disease off thing? Nothing's. Yeah. Would they kind of like machines basic frame and motionless. Michelle? Yes. Did you know the American actor awhile of. Christie. Christine sled? Oh yeah. Because what was he? He was in the Christine slash issue. Kumaon base, sensible waves insurer months to romance phone that we have this. This is good foam and all in it, and he's been some of the films that weren't go just because you've mentioned. Yeah, every each and every one of us to mono woman as being in about fell, only some points lost engine, a roofer mistakes. All Madden stacks the minute. Do you know the phone when the Oscars spotlight? Is it called? Yeah, I went say that dies king awful is it is terrible, but that one the woman because last year was her wishes. Well, what was a bird monitoring? Bergman's alright, full of it. Now you said now foot bud, and that's what I say hurt locker was bundled. Didn't get on the Oatman title. Just want to put it out. If you're thinking of what she's spotlight, honestly, don't Bubba. I tell you what was what did I say this week? I went to see luminous fallen. Oh, yeah. That will never win. Says Hrubesch. Yeah, the Sates rubbish. In the spotlight's you know, the give an Oscar and it's so dreary anyway. It's almost as if you're completely out of step with muscle opinion, not just liked to be attained. You don't believe slow. So just following the crowd, I'm doing a movie with Christie's. Right now I in the past, I'm telling you. All right, and I'm doing a movie called Churchill the Hollywood years with Christian Slater. An I explained to him. If you. So. From it's an I explained to me that I would like to reverse the toilet. Right? So that you sit fast and the system. That's good, right. Simple as that Krisztian sla- agreed on keeping show he agreed to invest in business and being an is he did me some initial sketches of how it might look all right with on some technical throwing on just on apple. Best back while if you purple than printer per per domain, not bad, a decent air for purple is right. And you could go into an investor's office and say, look, this is initial seriously? Yes, the good. Yeah. Mr. Christian Slater from heifers on a reason behind quality per as designed to reverse Tyler. I just wanted if you guys you investors are interested in taking this up, where would you go with without? Did you go to Amish shanks with it? No sh- well, it's almost like luffing fish is, isn't it? It's like you you guys, you've, you find what the toilet is that we knew? Yeah. I'm here to tell you rolls them, shits them. Right? Because the mom only a prosecutor, probably not that sense that you've got a decent decent caller, air fall equals decent idea. Get out. So we spend our time standing the buck of adul-. Yeah, the floor. Yeah. You reverse this system and face the system. Yeah. You could still put little wing mirrors on the system if you want to look at the dog them up being intrusion all why. If that's fating you can still do that on top of the system. You could put your laptop. You could put an adult coloring book. You could ever you could put a little pop plus. Now you can start out the window. It's genius that system surfaces just just going to waste. Sometimes you see a po- portrayal or bog role could get some pip and you could design a reverse. Now you couldn't. Could you say of, oh, don't it. I was once in front just remember this place called dress by the MEK perfume union. Hi. Do you know the group called the bangles says on Hoff's Susannah half. I don't know, but I was into it. I was staying at tweets, pictures of us off and they don't wanna know about that. I was said, Christina, Krisztian deal. No, Sean is villa graphs. I was a motorcyclist then and she wanted some, it's I'm not gonna pretend to know she wanted so much. She said on the buckle me bike right to to the shops and I, it was one of those, like, you know, like bendy bendy roads and I took that absolutely chose a Susannah Hoff's. You know the one of main. Yeah, the singer. Yeah, yes. She was saying she was. She's on the back of me, woah bike. Right? I got to the shop. Yes, she wasn't on off. Off, right? I didn't even know God absolutely survived. ICM because she's continued emit music since then. Oh, yeah. Well, actually, I drove back trying to find out that that she was still she had a terrible hit short. She was wearing shorts and she had you know those road burnt terrible about the size of. I know a scotch Puncak except that measure and it's absolutely show me what she I, there's no punchline to this whilst she'd been waiting. She covered the face in Mark. I don't know. I didn't. I anything because because the skin had broken, there was blood that she thinks she was going to be pre. It's true animals. I said, are you all right? And she showed me the burn thing there. And I said, I said, what about your face? And she just said it's Markelle pen. I'm gonna go now on. I'm going to sign up with me little song if I might before you do that. Can we just mentioned that we're on Twitter athletic mints if you want to suggest songs, eating six week, okay. Well, I'm going to sing with self penned song this week. Okay. Here we go. It's called little bird. All right. I'm just a little bird whose leg got bust by a bottle that was thrown into my favorite Bush. I've got a lovely smile and the winning face all the the birds thing karma fucking disgrace. Just lava funding, Tupi stickers. Thank you for the news. I had a song as well. You busted burst result. One. Busted.

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Supplements: Useful Or Useless? with Dr. Elizabeth Boham

The Doctor's Farmacy with Mark Hyman, M.D.

44:53 min | 3 months ago

Supplements: Useful Or Useless? with Dr. Elizabeth Boham

"Coming up on this episode of the doctors, pharmacy or lot of supplements out. There are not great because they're not giving the right type of nutrients within the supplement. Hey Dr Mark Hyman here I want to talk to you about how I make time to read all the books on my list I love books, and I'm constantly reading at least two to three at any given time. And when I get really busy I turn to audiobooks. My love of learning reading. Listening to audio books has been critical. My ongoing, joining to become the happiest healthiest version of myself and one of my favorite activities is getting in the car with my wife and going for lung drive while listening to one of our favorite books on my audible APP. I always revisit my favorite classic Walden by Henry David Thoreau this book. Such an impact on me and the way of you, the world that I love to listen to it over and over again I take away something new every time I returned to this book and audible makes it so easy to do. They have thousands of titles to pick from in their. APP is super easy to use, and you can download everything in your phone your tablet. Tablet to listen to while you're going for a walk or cooking or going for a drive today, audible dot com has a special offer for the doctors pharmacy listeners. That's you you get two free credits for when you sign up for your thirty day free trial, just go to audible trial dot com forward slash Dr Hyman that's audible trial dot com voice is Dr High minutes just Dr Hyman all right now. Let's get back to this week's episode. Welcome to the Doctors Pharmacy. I'm Dr Mark Hyman and that's pharmacy than FFA are Mac Y. A. Place for conversations a matter and if you've ever worried if you should take vitamins if you're nutritionally deficient or all bunch of Hooey, this podcast is going to be very interesting to you because it's with my friend colleague at the ultra. WanNa Center the medical director here Dr Elizabeth Boheme. On this special episode of the Doctors Pharmacy We call housecall and we dived deep into issues around functional medicine, and how to treat difficult problems that aren't getting better using traditional care so welcome lists. Mark. Thanks for having me loses the doctors Dr She. is a md. She's an Rd nutritionist and she's an exercise physiologist, and she's one of the leading thinkers, teachers and faculty and Functional Medicine around the world. She's taught in South Africa. And all over the United States, she's a key part of our faculty institute for Functional Medicine, and she's been my colleague here forever. They'll want to center. We've worked together before that it. Kanye ranch. For Twenty plus years now it's amazing and I. Don't think you look any different. Then you didn't hear. Me Maybe a few more grey hair. So welcome welcome. We're going to talk today about nutrition nutritional. Deficiencies and nutritional testing and why? We should be concerned about these so. Liz from a traditional medical point of view. We were trained that you should get all your nutrients from food. That supplements are often a waste of money and just create expensive urine. How do you address? I I remember my training is the same right like I was trained to say. Let's focus on food I right which we always do. We always want to focus on food. I And not to really you know supplements aren't going to be that helpful in. Don't use them and you know I remember. I remember when I first took a multi vitamin A good multivitamin, so this was after my nutrition training after I was in our D. after I was. It was probably when I was at Canyon ranch, and you're gonNA. nutritionally trained MD. Yes, he did a fellowship in nutrition. As a doctor, so you know I. was always trying to get all my nutrients from food and teaching, my patients, all their nutrients from food, and so I, remember taking a really good quality multi all of a sudden going wow i. have all this energy that I didn't realize I didn't have right. It was. They've made a huge difference for me. And I think in a lot of ways multi almost least important supplement we give. But for for me, and for so many of my patients, sometimes, even a multi can be can make a huge difference and I think what what is really important to pay attention to with supplements. Is that when we use them in a personalized approach when we're testing when we're, we're using them based on what that individual person needs. Not just saying okay, everybody, take this which sometimes that's helpful to, but but really figuring out for that individual person. What they deficient. Where do they need to focus? That can make a huge huge difference. They feel it's so true and I think we're. We're taught. Get everything from food, but there's been a lot of problems with our food supply. We aside from US eating mountains of processed food, which has got no nutrients, accepting that are fortified, right and rich while the Richard, because it's impoverished to start with right, and on top of that the way we grow our food in soil that's depleted because of industrial farming techniques because of the fertilizers and chemicals that literally destroy the microbiome, the soil, which is needed to extract nutrients from the dirt from the soil that the plans can use which then we eat. We've seen fifty percent reduction in nutrient levels like magnesium and other minerals in our vegetables over the last fifty years of Union Broccoli today and you eight fifty years ago. It's different food, and then you're shipping them. Over, long distances, the average apple you eat has been in a storage house for a year. And they're. They're refrigerated. Kept in storage transported, so they lose nutrition. and. We're also living a lifestyle that depletes nutrients. We're drinking too much alcohol smoking eating processed food, which by the way in order to. In order to actually metabolize your food. The way your food is metabolize is requiring vitamins and minerals to run that. As cofactors for those enzymes to run the food through your metabolic factory in. The assembly line. If you don't have the nutrients, you can't run the food through and so you get. More depleted. And then we have all these drugs we take. The deplete are nutrients. Yes, medications, and then three have all these reasons why we're nutritionally deficient, so talk to us. About what are we seeing in America? And then we'll talk about what we're seeing here at the ultra. WanNa Center because we. We don't just guess here we test. Yes, and it's shocking honestly to see the level of nutritional deficiencies in who you think would be a well nourished healthy person. So tell us about the kinds of nutritional deficiencies. We're seeing at scale in America and why they're so important, I mean if you just look at what people are eating, we're seeing that sixty eight percent of Americans are not getting enough magnesium and so sixty eight percent are not meeting the Rdi the recommended dietary intake and we have to remember that that. was set for just sufficiency. So you know not having a deficiency magnesium, so which what that means is, those recommendations are not set at what is optimal, either for that individual person, so they're just the minimum requirement in in a sense, so sixty eight percent of us are not getting enough magnesium, forty percent, or not getting enough zinc, seventy eight percent, or not getting a full late. Maybe even ninety plus percent or not getting enough of the Omega threes in their diet, so we're seeing significant nutritional deficiencies, and that's leading to so many issues in terms of chronic disease, and also just feeling. Awful. So fascinating to me. Is You know when I started learning all about all this I learned about nutrition, medical schools like okay. Vitamin C. Prevents scurvy and vitamin. D, reds, rickets, and vitamin A. Prevents. You know blindness and. B. Vitamins prevent this and that? And and never really understood why they're important, other than preventing deficiency diseases, which is sort of why we first learned about them was from these diseases, and and then I begin their understand this and. The thing about what do vitamins minerals actually do in the body right and there's thirty seven billion billion chemical reactions that happen in the body every second. Thirty, seven, billion, billion, easy great i. don't even know what that is. It's like a billion jewel. And every single one of those chemical reactions requires helpers, and the helpers are cofactors. Our vitamins minerals. Yeah, right and one of the other shocking things I learned was that. Our DNA. One DNA codes for enzymes. Ends I'm are catalysts that convert one molecule to another, so all these chemical reactions I talked about all need catalysts or enzymes. One third of our entire genetic material is coating for these enzymes, and there's variations in how they work. That make one person require more or less of a different nutrient. Right so some for example is you need more vitamins. If you have certain variation, you might need more fully or b twelve or be six, and if you take the normal amount, quote, the already I which is not the optimal amount to create health. It's the minimum amount necessary to prevent deficiency disease. Yes, vitamin C. do you need not get scurvy probably sixty milligrams? Of Vitamin C, do you need to optimize your immune system to not get COVID, probably four thousand milligrams right, and it's different for each person like you're saying based on our genetic makeup and else going on in our body, not just our genetics, but what other diseases were dealing with what other how we digest and absorb nutrients, jobs I mean so many things impact. Impact our nutritional needs. Yeah, it's so true. Your Gut microbiome determines yeah, what's going on with your nutritional levels? And you may not producing the vitamins in your gut, like Vitamin, K, or by because you have a bad gut, so it's so fascinating to me, and and and really functional medicine. Our focus is on nutrition as the first line of therapy and it's both. Using food as medicine, but also understand the role of key nutrients and playing a role in how they function, so you and I have been in this field for a long time, and it's easy to be. Sort of a little bit arrogant and think that you know the traditional doctor. Well, you know people eat food. They don't need vitamins waste time with some money. But we we get caught humbled by seeing actually what happens when we test people and I think despite doctors saying this. When you look at the data, I think I think seventy two percent of doctors recommend supplements, patients seventy nine percent. Take themselves so whatever they're telling you. It's interesting that. We see studies that show vitamin. D doesn't affect heart, disease, or cancer and Omega. Three fats don't really benefit heart disease. Or Cancer Prevention. We see these studies that are conflicting all the time. I think I. Think those that happens for so many reasons. Right why those studies are conflicting, one is because we're. We're putting everybody in that same group, so we're not personalizing the approach, and so it depends on people's health status how they're digesting absorbing how their their nutritional status in general are they deficient to begin with? What are their genetic needs? So that really impacts how somebody shifts are or improves from when we give them those nutrients, so I think that one of the biggest issues with research is. We're not looking at. Individual variations and sniffs in somebody's makeup, their genetic variations that impact what they need, and so it just sort of lumps, everybody into one category, Yes. Had like of re. Spiderman, D receptor gene made them require high dose of Vitamin D. and. You took one hundred thousand people and you saw them taking vitamin D while you think you're taking enough, but it might not be enough for that person, and if you. Took that subset and you studied them, and you give them. The right amount took their blood. Levels optimally might be different. It will absolutely be different, so and we know with fish oil, for example, if people are eating a couple servings of good fatty fish a week, then fish oil supplements might not be as helpful for them, but when people aren't eating then fish. Fish oil supplements make a huge difference and help lower triglycerides and decreased risk of heart disease. So we know that it really is dependent so much on your individual diet as well as all those other things go about true I always say if you don't have a headache and aspirin doesn't do anything right. Mega three levels are already good. You take mega three. Right. The study challenging and are often like you said there in. It's hard to distinguish what the overall health of the patient is, and so if these patients are eating crappy, is there smoking? They're drinking. They're not exercising taking vitamins, not going to help them, you know they're not that powerful at right in the sense right there. If you clean up everything, and then you Ataman. They can be extremely powerful, so it's not to say that if you're overweight unhealthy, you shouldn't take supplements because I think they will help, but it's much better if you clean up house first comprehensive program right so Let's talk about how we learn in our practice, the Ultra WanNA center about what people's nutritional status is. How do we? How do we figure that out well, so we do we? We look at it from multiple different angles right? I is starts with a physical exam. You know. What is there a waste ratio? How are they holding onto? Wait in their body. Then we look to look for signs of nutritional deficiencies. Maybe their hair is dry or their skin is dry or they have different. Spots on their nails, which could indicate zinc deficient? Diet intake. The nutritional physical exam when pause because you teach that course, as at the Institute for Functional Medicine, and it's it's fascinating when you learn as a doctor. What the clinical signs are of vitamin deficiencies right so we know the obvious ones. For example you have scurvy. You get no gum issues right? If you have the vitamin deficiencies, you get little cracks in your mouth. Call Kilos. White spots in years might be zinc deficiency. For exams on the back of your arms, you know or dry skin. We think about the vitamin A. A lot. We think about zinc. In my favorite test is a vitamin D test. Is Yes. Also win your if you. If you bang on somebody's leg and they have pain, then that could be a sign that they're low in vitamin D. Take your thumb, and you press right now. Go press right now on their shinbone back, and if it's tender, then it means you're probably vitamin D deficient 'cause make sure bone soft now I see. My Bone doesn't hurt all when I press on pressing right now, your. Taking my vitamins. Is a civil test, so there's a lot of things clinically you can figure out that are signs of nutritional deficiency. That's the first and I think that's really important to to look and examine because biomarkers are not perfect, which are lab tests, but they can be very helpful, but they're not perfect. Determining everybody's nutritional deficiencies, example magnesium. We know that magnesium is a we talked about. It's a very common deficiency, but sometimes the Sierra magnesium and red blood cell magnesium can be normal, and somebody can still be deficient in magnesium and would benefit from more magnesium whether it's dietary or supplement wise plus the other thing we take a detailed history. Actually question years you can determine. What you nutritional deficiencies are so I wrote my Book Ultra Mind I literally had question years in their. Zinc deficient vitamin deficient inefficient. Fully deficient. And you can, you can actually do questionnaires, and you're going to get a pretty sense if you're deficient or not. And then you look at their diet to you know you look to see what they're eating and what? They're not eating. You know when somebody's a Vegan. You're thinking more about okay I've got a I've got a really look for B. Twelve I've got a really look for issues with Iron I've got a really think about zinc and the Omega three fats, because there are more common deficiencies. Yeah, if you're if you're not eating any. Fish right, so there's things we have to think about depending on what their diet is like and their digestive system, so we do a comprehensive approach and the biomarkers can be really helpful to. They're not perfect tests or just so we can look at blood. We look at urine we do. This panel called the IM panel and it's this all over nutrition panel gives us so much good information. It tells us about amino acid levels. Those are the the components of protein in the blood. Approaching protein. and. It tells us he tells us about. A three levels of Six levels at tells us about mineral levels. It tells us about all those steps of the Mitochondria in the steps of the Krebs Cycle, which need nutrients to work properly like you were talking about those cofactors, vitamins and minerals that help those reactions works, so we can take our food and turn it into. Energy so when we have deficiencies in certain nutrients, we'll see shifts in this panel called the organic acid, jesting which you. That's really helpful. Urine urine test so. So you're saying essentially is that we use a lot of different kinds of testing. Yes, because your typical doctor, we'll check your blood levels, but if you check your blood was a full eight or magnesium all it's fine. You're not necessarily fine, so each nutrient requires a very different approach depending on the nutrients vitamin D. Yeah, you can check your blood level of Vitamin D. you gotta check the right one, but it's pretty good. Yes, right, you can check your blood. Levels of Omega threes pretty good right, but you want to check in the right way. Some Mike Foale eight or B, twelve or magnesium, not so much. Right and and I. Think you know you mentioned magnesium? It's a really good point, so a lot of doctors will check magnesium now if it's low on a regular blood test. I mean you're in big trouble, really really low. And then you can check red cell magnesium, which is a little better yet, but the true test is something called a magnesium loading tests. which was so you give you give magnesium? And then you collect urine for a period of time, so that magnesium depending on the level of sufficiency that somebody has in their body that will impact how much magnesium this spills over into their urine, so because we do very often, but it's now really WanNa know you got to give someone a Lotta magnesium if the. The out there good. If you hold onto it and nothing comes out in the urine. They're pretty low. Yeah, and you know and you were mentioning full eight and B twelve. I see this all the time. People come in with a B twelve level that they're doctored. Did and it's normal, and so then they go k. they don't need b twelve, but but. That's not really telling us about functional markers of twelve or what? What is sufficient for that individual person, so we'll do things like Metha- melodic acid in homocysteine. There are more functional markers of the B-VITAMINS. They give us a lot more information than just a serum level of a vitamin, so in other words is doing what it's supposed to do in the bodies, and if it's not, you're going to see a backup of these other compounds that we don't normally test, but. Be Twelve they're fine. You may not be. Yes many patients who are not fine and a very severe deficiencies and the different, and often you can tell if someone needs a certain type of nutrient looking at their genetics and their. Blood tests. You can tell this former. That form of the nutrients so becomes very sophisticated approach medicine. I mean I think that's a great example of where where a lot of supplements out. There are not great because they're not giving the right type of nutrients within the supplement, so for example if a supplement is. Less expensive, they may use full. IQ Acid in the multivitamin and folic, not everybody because of their genetic makeup can utilize full of acid and use it for what the body needs. folic acid for full late for so folic acid is a synthetic form of full eight, the increase risk of problems. Yes, increases may be of cancer. So not everybody can take fully end in the form of folic acid. Utilize it if they have a shift in this if they have a genetic variation, called the empty each gene, there's others as well and so those are things we look at as well and when we use vitamins, we use really good quality. One ones that are more the bodies more able to utilize like a methyl full eight form, and makes a huge difference for people and so many aspects, actually picking the vitamin right not just. Nutrient. But is it, is it the form that's bioavailable is absorbed. What is in with that can prevent its absorption. What what exactly is so? You can say all I need magnesium I'm just going to make. Museum is usually make using oxide which is really cheapening museum. It's in most supplements, but doesn't really get absorbed very well and may not be effective right, so that makes magnesium, oxide, and also magnesium citrate right. They're more likely to poll. Poll water into the gut, and so they will, they'll loosen up the stools for some people they need that, and that's good, but it's not as well absorbed as a key leader former magnesium like magnesium, gleason eight, which is much better absorbed into the body so depending on what you're using your magnesium four. You know you want to be making sure you're choosing the right one. You know so so what's different about the ultra wellness? And Functional Medicine is that there's a really deep understanding of the role of nutrition and nutrients and health. And, what's so important about these? It's not that they're single function compounds. So you know if you take a drug usually hits. One pathway does one thing. Right. When you take magnesium, it affects three hundred different right enzymes, and has many many other functions in the body. It's phenomenal. Magnesium is is an amazing mineral, and it's so good for us in so many ways, and when people are magnesium deficient, we see all sorts of issues from depression anxiety muscle cramps, hypertension asthma. Restless leg syndrome DIABETES MORE INSULIN RESISTANCE SO magnesium. Constant patients my goodness. I forgot constipation. Hey, headaches yup. Twitchy muscles, twinkling at twitchy is yeah. A lot of twitchy is in residency. I love magnesium also. Twitchy is people need it for all these problems and get treated for constipation. They treated for and we this. Thing about magnesium, is it? It's US all the time in medicine as a last resort. Right, so when a woman comes in WHO's in. preterm labor and their uterus is contracting like crazy. They get ivy magnesium. If a woman is high blood pressure pregnancy, they come in. They're about to have a seizure. Ib Magnesium because it works better than anything else if someone's having A. Cardiac Arrest Arrhythmia when all the other drugs fail the you might be a magnesium. It was the last step because it helps to the heart muscle. It's the I call it the relaxation minerals, twitchy, irritable or tents, whether it's anxiety, insomnia constipation muscle cramps to blood vessels lie bloodpressure, twitchy heart, which is you know palpitations? Twitchy emotions, which is anxiety. All of these things are related to insufficient magnesium treated. Take Zanex anxiety. Take a laxative constipation. Take a migraine pill for your headache. Take you know this or that for this or that and it's unfortunate because it was such a simple solution and we know it's a vicious cycle, right? We know that chronic stress when we're under chronic stress that that causes our body to excrete more magnesium in the urine, so we become deficient in magnesium so. So we trust who's got that right? So then you become a version and magnesium restless time right now, and then you get more anxious, and then you use up more of your magnesium, so we know that when we're. We're dealing with chronic stress. We're using up. Our magnesium works screening more magnesium end. We need even more magnesium because that was. What helps us feel calm and so? We'll go through all the things that actually caused us to lose magnesium. So I mean we. STRESS STRESS Remember by just interrupt I remember one study I read of Kosovo and they did magnesium studies. They found the people in Kosovo under all that. Stress they had really huge amounts of excretion of magnesium, whereas people who weren't in that environment did. We know that people who take like a Proton pump inhibitors block. I mean. Protonics hello second next year. Yeah. That's decreases your magnesium absorption. So you know just just depending on your medication that can deplete your body of Magnesium Roddick's Yup. Blood pressure pills which you need to control your blood pressure. You're taking a pill that caused you lose magnesium. Right again that vicious cycle that we see all the time, yeah! Alcohol. Alcohol your body of magnesium end all the B-vitamins, so I think that's important smoking. Nobody into smoking sugar. Yeah and my favorite of all of them coffee. Right Coffee Causes Magnesium lost. So you live in American lifestyle drinking coffee drinking alcohol lots of stress you have. Probably a pretty grabby diet, and then you take a proton pump inhibitor. You take an acid. That'd be Diet and then on top of that. You're eating very low magnesium diet, so talk about how that plays a role magnesium is in so many of our foods, magnesium, center, or not. The we actually eat well. Nuts and seeds or beans and legumes, vegetables Greens Greens. The APP are vegetables and. It's in a whole grains like Keane Wa and. So it's in a lot of our food, but when you take for example, Brown rice, and you make it. White Rice you deplete. About Ninety plus percent of the magnesium is released or is lost in that processing, and so and they don't spray that back on. You know. They'll spray back on some b-vitamins, but not the magnesium. So when people are eating refined and processed foods. They're getting a more magnesium deficient diet, so. Sometimes. People don't even realize they're getting refined and processed foods I mean sometimes people like I have a healthy diet, but they forget about that piece of toast at breakfast or the crackers at lunch that are made up of have white flour in them, and that are are more magnesium deficient, so and as we get older. We can't really eat as many calories as we used to, so we're more likely to have problems over time as well so I think. The! Diet is so magnesium to push efficient. Our lifestyle is so magnesium depleting. And, so we're we're kind of getting it from. Both that's yes, and we see this as one of the most common problems in our practice, undiagnosed and. The patients were geniuses because all these problems suffered from. Go Away and like I. Don't know it's not that hard. It's just a good medicine and we I mean this is not functional medicine. It's just medicine, and it's often being missed and let's talk about. The, Patient you had and talk about what happened with this patient because I think putting a face on this is going to be very helpful, so I had a sixty eight year old woman who came in to see me, and she was really struggling with chronic pain, she had anxiety. She had hypertension, so she had elevated blood pressure. She was pre diabetic. She had restless legs, so she couldn't. She had poor sleep at her legs were like she couldn't really calm down at night because their legs were sort of twitchy. We're talking about and she had constipation, so she had all these. Anxiety should that, too. Yes so. Yeah. YEA, so she came in. Here. And of course we did a comprehensive program for her, but so many of her symptoms were pointing to low magnesium, so we did a comprehensive program we. We changed her diet. She's like one of those people who who felt like. She was on a really good healthy diet, but when you look deeper especially for her level of activity, she was wasting calories right. She was wasting calories on that piece of toast at breakfast and crackers at lunch in a little bit of cake at dinner rate so his. She wasn't eating. You know. She had a lot of vegetables in her diet. She had a lot of. Good healthy foods in her diet, but she also had some of these other things that just took away from the nutrient density of her diet so I always work with all my patients on nutrient density because I. think that's such an important point, right? You WanNa have you WANNA be choosing the foods that have the most nutrients per calorie, and especially as we get older depending on our level of activity. We can't waste a lot of calories foods that that have have. Poor, nutrient content or Nutrient density. My first book called the nutrient to Calorie ratio. which is how many nutrients per calorie getting so Broccoli has a lot of nutrients very few calories Coca Cola has a lot of calories, but no nutrients right so for her. We worked on shifting her diet. We did an elimination diet for her because she also needed to pull away some common inflammatory foods, but we then shifted instead of choosing a piece of toast at breakfast we had we. We had her have some sweet potatoes with her with her Omelette, and then at lunch. Instead of having crackers, we put some keen wanner salad ways that you get more nutrients per calorie and more magnesium. Because we and we also gave her magnesium. Though you know she, she was at a point where visual low yeah, her tank was low. We needed to supplement, so you know we gave her? We gave her both the type of magnesium that helped increase her bowel movements because she was constipated and we gave her the magnesium glazing eight. That's better absorbed, so we gave her both, and it was. It was really helpful. She had improvement in her blood pressure. She had improvement in that restless leg, so she slept better, she had improvement in her pain or pain decrease significantly. She had improvement in her headaches. You know so, it's really it's a magical mineral. And if I saw her today, 'cause you know. We're doing more IV magnesium now at the Altar Wellness Center you know we have. A combination of called Ultra Com which has V. Magnesium you know we can. We can use that right away to see okay. Is this going to help with somebody's headaches or help them more calm and able in my office with headaches or Migraines, give them a shot of magnesium, and that's like the goes away instantly. Yeah, that's very powerful. Joking with us, we do cardiac arrest and the hearts going intravenous magnesium. We can make museum for preterm Labor or for. Preventing seizures with high blood pressure I mean it's so powerful. It's one of my favorite things. It makes I've had ivy magnesium you had it. So it's makes you feel warm and relax and calm. It's like the most amazing thing. It's like instant instant value without all the side effects and you know, and it's safe for most people. It's really safe for most people people with. Kidney issues so renal insufficiency on dialysis kidney issues. You have to be careful. You WanNa be really working. We always want to work with your doctor, but you have to be more careful, but for most people. It's a safe mineral that we can use. Your also talked about briefly the different forms of magnesium so this is another aspect of nutritional therapy that we do in functional medicine is customized, so this person might do better with magnesium glysophate. Because they made it more detoxification issues, they might not have constipation. They might be prone to diarrhea. Used for. You have more constipation issue, you might use magnesium citrate. If more neurological issues you might use. May Museum three and eight, which has a better neurologic profile so? It's a very personalized customized approach, and we make sure the nutrients. Junk in them fillers impurities that the potency is they're us very. Rigorous evaluation of the companies we use to actually figure out what supplements right I mean. You mentioned like so often people go. Oh I, need magnesium, and they just grab one and they take it, and then they start getting diarrhea, and then it didn't help, and then you're like and they're like Oh. This is crummy begins. It's just not the right. It's not the right form. It's not a good quality. and. We didn't even talk about menstrual cramps and. All that stuff! You know another patient I had she was a thirty year old woman who was really struggling with PMS, so she was for the week before her period. She was really irritable she was. Feeling more angry and sad She had more cramps with her period. She had lots of cramps that we're keeping her in bed for a couple of days when she got her period and You know in in magnesium was really effective for her could give magnesium for the I gave it to her all the time. She didn't need the citrate form so I just gave her a magnesium Klay sonate, and that really that really helped her throughout her whole month, just feeling more calm, and it helped decrease the amount of pms she had, and then when she was getting her period, we gave her even a little more magnesium glazed sonate, and that helps with the cramping to and so she just felt she just felt better I mean. We know that magnesium deficiency is associated with depression. We know that it impacts this MDA receptor in the brain probably, and that may be the connection with depression, and so when we give magnesium, we can decrease the amount of depression for some people it's not it's not a cure all for all depression, but for some people even better than an antidepressant. Depending on what's going on, it's very personalized mining these wake percent person may not work for another person I want to share a story. Remember this magazine patient I. Had she was a doctor? She was a radiation oncology resident. Mayo Clinic Seeing the best doctors in the world, she had incapacitating migraines. Green juice was on narcotics and any bombing medications for chemotherapy. And she was constantly going off work, and just struggling and she wasn't like. Emotionally unstable person who's juices having these debilitating migraines? So I took her history, I'm like okay. What else is going on? Because this is what we do in functional medicine was like Oh. Let's focus on your migraines now. Let's focus on the rest of you because that's where the clues are. So, what did she have the usual? She had severe constipation, said Said you have regular bowel movements. She goes got regular albums as often you go. She goes once a week. So. That's not regular shows regularly for me. I'd go every week. and. She thought that was normal. She had. Palpitations, which is irritability, the heart she had anxiety. She had insomnia shed muscle cramps. She had all these things that were. Like neon, flashing lights at magnesium deficiency, and if you go to a medical textbook, you will read that those are the symptoms, but somehow it's nutrition. Doctors just don't pay attention. I don't understand. So I'll like all right. Let's just try magnesium museum. See? What happens on I gave her a lot and take enough to make sure you go and she need over two thousand. Milligrams today was a most people two hundred, four, hundred right, know six hundred. Was a lot and she's going to bathroom palpitations underway here in some way or anxiety when we enter migrant way. And she could go back and do her career as a radiation oncology. And you're like. Wow! That was easy. But, it's really finding out. How to navigate to that issue, which is exactly what we do in functional medicine, it's so different than traditional care we we have a different roadmap that focus on the cause and not just a symptom. Constipation Symptom Muscle. Cramps Art Center. Headaches were symptom. Impressions a symptom. It's not the cost an not everybody. It's magnesium right for each of these problems, but it it. It's important to figure out. How do you navigate to the root cause? And that's what we do in functional medicine, and we do it through a very detailed, said of questions history, which we have you fill out, and then we do another details questions in person. But how we do it all on zoom to so we have virtual care. Anybody from anywhere in the world can see us here adultery wellness center, and then we do appropriate testing so rather than guests we test, and it's extraordinary. How much nutritional deficiencies I just recalled! Patient recently Vegan. Struggling with his health, he was twenty years old. And I was like Oh. My God like this is a very wealthy well-to-do guy from a good family. And I'm thinking. This guy's not malnourished. He's eating food. He had no mega three fats. He was severely vitamin deficient. It was severely vitamin D deficient. Magnesium deficient. He was iron deficient in selenium deficient. I was like well, and your body can't heal. When you're deficient in so many things, your body's not going to heal. I'm just not going to heal. Your skin's GonNa he'll know. We talked about like the magnesium and three hundred different enzymes, but each one of those they're. Substances that are designed to support your body's normal functions, which is very different than drugs right right? and. There are some have to be careful with you can go. Dion right can take too much vitamin D content too much a selenium too much. But certain things much iodine too much iodine. People say I really high doses, so you can get in trouble, but a lot of water soluble vitamins like the b-vitamins. People's coming with their plea taking me trouble. There'd be trouble. Levels are off the roof and the doctor Oh. You're beat twelve toxic. Your body just out. What you don't need is non toxic. It's fine right exactly exactly so a lot of times. If Serum B twelve is high, because somebody's on a supplement. I might still keep them on that B twelve if it's really appropriate for them like they have a melodic acid was once to high needing meaning that they need to be twelve, or maybe they don't absorb B twelve rothwell. We've talked a lot about price antibodies in the past and other podcasts, and we know that impacts how you absorb twelve so sometimes. They still need to stay on B twelve. Even if they're levels, look okay of Serum B twelve so. They might not be able to orbit in their guts. They might need under the tongue, or they shot injections. Yeah, right, so it's very personalized very customized. It's really you know. When when when there's a so backlash against vitamins and the research. I think it just makes people feel like nothing works and I think. When you're looking at these large populations, these large studies defects kind of get washed out. And it's unfortunate. The other issue is people. Get hooked on the nutrients the day. And then you get into trouble, so we saw that with what we call the carrot study which was. There was a awareness that people who ate more keratin Lloyd containing vegetables, carrots and sweet potatoes. Had less lung cancer so they study well. Let's take people who are at high risk of lung cancer whose smokers. And let's give them lots of Beta carotene. which is one of hundreds of crowd noise? It's naturally found in food. And it sort of be light a lack of understanding of how these nutrients work. They team so antioxidants which Beta Carotene. Is only effective. If there's other any oxygen, so it's like pop singer hot potato. You need vitamin. C. ME in my book s glutathione and the crowd noise. All of them work together and if you just. Do One you're going to. Increase the hot potato but his. Hand it off to, and then these patients actually got more cancer. Oh taking B. Vitamins or Beta carotene causes cancer well, not exactly. It's just more conscious. Yes, so I think. so we? We have to be careful these these and then when you look at smaller studies, we look at Interventional Studies. Showing the right patients can be profoundly affected and I know with our patients. They are profoundly effective in terms of how they can be so helpful for energy how they can be helpful for depression how they can be so helpful for. Their digestive system how they could be so helpful for healing in the body and skin and. So we we see it every single day and our practice how powerful these nutrients can be! Used appropriately. Taking mega doses taking the right amount for you can talk to major health, and that's the other issue is. It's not just the minimum amount for the people on the. Two hundred percent of the RDA dangerous I'm like no, that's the minimum out needs. You don't get scurvy rickets. That's not help you create ODUA. Even the it says you know you need maybe. Thirty units of. Vitamin, DS GET SCURVY, but you can take up to four thousand. And, there's this whole idea which is I love this Longley efficiency disease so. Acutely don't have vitamin C.. You get scurvy or acute. You don't know vitamin D rickets, but what vitamin D at a high enough level over your lifetime you get cancer, you get osteoperosis you. Triage theory right? The Bruce Ames says really done research on and shown that if if we know that, if with the body is insufficient nutrient, right, you may not have a deficiency. Of Vitamin C causing scurvy, but if you have insufficiency for long periods of time, the is going to use that. Has This triage theory going on? Which is what Dr Bruce? Ames one of the real pioneers and researchers, nutrition and nutritional science has shown that. The body then uses the vitamin. C. What it really needs it for acutely, but then may not have enough to do some of those you know lower level functions in the body so you then. Clean Up, yeah, so over years and years and years you start to get chronic disease and you don't feel as good yeah. I love his concept of a metabolic tuneup Just, no modern mount of the right nutrients for your life. Stage really helps you get a metabolic tuneup and. Void the consequences of unhealthy ageing, which is pretty cool. I certainly know they've helped me and other help. You and I think that they will help so many patients, but it's important to understand what year particularly issues are what your needs are, and that's really what we do here at the Altar WanNa help people figure out what their issues are. Because everybody's different, it's personalized nutrition. It's precision, nutrition and personalized medicine, and by doing that through the way we approach patients holistically through systems approaches through the kinds of diagnostics and testing we do. We really can get an incredible set of. Data that help us to get people better when when they're not getting better from a lot of other approaches. Absolutely, it's the future of nutrition. It is well. I have you been listening and you're interested in coming to see us? We'd love to see her at the center. JUST GO TO ULTRA WELLNESS CENTER DOT COM. And you can now see as virtually zoom, which means you're going to have to get out of your bed, and you can come right and see us. We'll send someone to your house to draw your lab tests. If you want, so you have to leave your house and we'd love to help you in anybody love, so take us out of the ultra. Wellness Center dot? Dot Com Ultra Center. 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Rock Candy Ep. 102: Nirvana Part 3 - Trying To Cure His Scurvy

"The diggers you have entered the halls of the Pantheon podcasts. What you aren't listening to is new ordinary very podcast feed? This is an audio music magazine where you may or may not read. Well listen to be more exact to all the articles. But if you do indulge us here you will find amazing new content including music history commentary interviews reviews and more to satisfy the music lover in you here in the main hall. You will find all of the amazing music based PODCASTS. That make up the Pantheon network. Bud If you prefer each podcast title also has their own feed so you can find. Follow them wherever you are listening to great podcasts. The choice is yours and Dan. Yeah Yeah two of us. Remember by the end. You're like I can't like this band anymore. Well that wasn't the final nail in the coffin. I think that was when we you did. Saint anger with make it stop. Yeah I think this was that last push I needed. Yeah I'm kind of not fully there yet But Nirvana is starting to become METALLICA. Just in the sense that I I'd allies this band for a very long time. Yeah and and especially Kurt and re reading the book that I had longtime ago and just we'll learn more about him as an adult. Yeah it's like Yeah I No he made choices is he. He certainly did make choices and they were not good ones. Yeah so that's it's it's rough. Isn't it when you gotTa Kill Your Heroes. Yeah really really killed my hero here. Yeah I definitely had killed a hero's with METALLICA. was like ooh I mean arguably yeah but mine was more of like a novice needs to happen good but also I mean Kurt Dinner Really WanNa be a hero to anybody so maybe maybe it's appropriate that I'm like now you're kind of a bad person. Smith hot takes. Yeah he was. He wasn't the greatest person there were things about him. That were redeeming. Oh yeah things about him that were very good but for the most part he made some fucking choices that he should not have made and he knew he who is doing them and he just didn't give a shit 'cause he kind of wanted to self destruct. Yeah but yeah I think he. Maybe he felt felt that was the only way he could get out of what he was the fame that he didn't want me which it said overall I get said that he made those choices. Yeah Yeah and it said that he also kills himself I. I'd like to think that if he was still alive he could've maybe turned it around if he had divorced. Courtney could've turned it around maybe but first of all. I don't think that either way whether there he killed himself in nineteen ninety four or not he would be around right now. Yeah I really don't think so the heroin and there's a lot of things A lot of things that make me feel that way. That's fair but even if he was around after nineteen ninety four he certainly would not have been in Nevada. That's Floria Nirvana would have been done soon. After in utero yet nirvana wouldn't I don't think would have lasted through nineteen ninety five Damn Fair I. I think that's fair. We'll find out why today. Yeah Yeah there's a lot of ground to cover in a very short amount of time we can do this. Welcome to rock. Candy after that super hyped up in Jovial intro I mean it is just it's such A. It's the topic man as the. This is the rough episode. Yeah it's certainly not going to be like return of the king which is wonderful in heroic and makes you cry when everybody nobody bows to the hobbits. But it's GonNa be a lot more like the end of empire but the end of empires how you ended the trilogy Empire Strikes Back Talking about okay. I All Star Wars as well. That's fair that's fair. I'm Maggie I'm Ashley in I don't know star wars associates necessarily but she does no fucking Lord of the Rings and she does no Nirvana and that's why she's GonNa teach us all about the end of Nirvana Yeah Although we go to a road yeah. It's a voice was to come in just aren't segued. Everyone's like that a good time if you leave 'em not a good time fun fact at the Nineteen ninety-two. MTV Awards boys to men two boys to men waste me and Wilson Phillips presented the award that they won one of the awards that they won that Nevada. One that's fantastic. Yeah is that really funny. That was that was a choice. MTV Music Awards severely verily Nineteen ninety-two. Well that's when we talked about in the in utero episode which having listened to it. Go listen to it because we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA pass over some stuff today because we already talked about about otherwise this would have been four parter because it's like we're covering only like I think a year and a half two years maybe and there's so much shit they did. It's it's hard to understand that theoretically nirvana was only around in the mainstream from nineteen ninety one to early nineteen ninety four. It's like basically three years three years that all this shit is happening joining. That's like a blip. Yeah that's nothing. They are still so influential today and still around lakes. You still hear about them all the time. Yeah there is a resurgence of putting Nirvana's shit on t shirts and selling them at target now because nineties nostalgias cool. Yeah the kids is love it. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I recently bought a nirvana shirt at like TJ maxx or something. But then after I bought it I was like wait. We know this is wrong. This is weird this is really wrong. It's like that guy who wrote while I don't remember his name. The Guy who wrote Calvin and Hobbes Nia and how he didn't want any of his stuff merchandise and once he saw people were looking at and he stopped writing. The is like fuck this. You don't get any more now Chidi Budweiser slinging Hutton. dudes have the little calvin peeing on. I don't WanNa like Liberals or Obama or whatever just peeing on and they have it on the back of their fucking truck. Yeah yeah that's exactly what he didn't want to happen. What happened exactly what happened? Yeah so I feel like it's the same in that curtain all the proprietors. I guess right shirt namely Kurt. Kurt didn't want that Shit. Yeah Minor Varnisher from TJ. Max is the equivalent of Calvin peeing on a liberals signs on the backs of truck. It's actually just the Nevada logo hanging on the Calvin logo peeing odd of truck. It's really fucking that. Yeah Yeah Oh man all right before we get into it. Let's get into this so this week. We are drinking from left hand. Dan Brewing Co. again. Great Place Milk Stout Nitro it. America's stout is it are they. They're saying are they trying to be be like the American equivalent of Guinness. Maybe I mean it's like a Guinness. It tastes really good. Yeah just going to say Tastes almost exactly like Guinness. Set a better. Hey this is smooth. Super Super Smooth spook or smooth smooth. Beer it's super smooth with soft rustiness and local notes and it's good to go from the can or you can drink it like a pro in the glass. It's good to know only pros only professional. Oh strength things from a glass. I'd also like you know that the ingredients are rocky mountain water malted barley lactose flake dotes hops and yeast aced delicious. lactose and lactose is your favorite beer. Ingredient fear gradient. Here you go straight from the cow's teat yeah and also we a yells at you when you open it always forget it does that I scream like go little girl and it happened to my beer. What's it every time we put we went with the spear because Kurt was left-handed he is left handed? And and in Utero has a song called milk it may certainly did milk that teat to get the lactose he shares the nature of elks out. Good job left hand cadavers. In only milk the cow with their left hand hence the name guys. That's really where left hand brewing got their name from milken that teat with their left hand. Only the left Hanley Story. We're sticking to it yeah. I don't think it really matters when it comes to milk and deeds doesn't it really doesn't get that really nice like awkward feeling of the lactose. Would you do it with your left hand like a stranger. The the fear sitting on your hand till it goes numb. Yeah good yeah yeah and then masturbating with. Yeah this stranger they were gonNA call themselves stranger but decided left. Hand made more sense. Yeah it's more lease concept and Ezer all facts guys this look them up. Look all right. I'm GONNA show about fake facts about this beer and sex till you talk about fucking your body because we fucked off long enough. It's all fake facts except the this is real or is it only got to know. It's all real. I swear to God I did a lot of research guys. It's real it's fucking do it. Okay so where we left off. Last time Nirvana exploded intervene. Menia was in full. Swing the adjust world tour and decided to skip doing another. US Tour Incurring Courtney had gotten married and manage to offend all of their friends at the same time. and Kurt basically went into voluntary ELLEN TERRY ISOLATION WITH COURTNEY IN THEIR LA apartment. She was still pregnant when she hadn't had Francis yet correct. She is still pregnant yes. He was quite productive during those five months painting writing and doing a lot of heroin. It's really production with guys. Real productive really locked it down. got a good thing going. He would lock himself in a closet to shoot up so he didn't. Tempt Courtney Walsh was pregnant. I guess that thoughtful considerate Nice. Chris knew that Kurt was do what Kurt was doing and was furious but never confronted him. Day was far more removed from the band than Chris was was so it didn't really affect him as much The roofs between Kurt Chris. Dave were getting bigger. The boys always always maintained that despite the fact that Kurt and Chris were old old friends and none of the guys were particularly close. They didn't hang out outside of touring and recording. And by now Kurt's life pretty much revolving around courtney all right unsurprisingly. Then in March ninety two kirk convinced Kristen Dave to realign their royalties before never mind became the Juggernaut. It was is the guys decided to split royalties evenly but now after the success of the album Kurt possibly with the influence of Courtney had a change of heart and now that they're actually really making money he's like well. I think I deserve more and now that he has a huge drug problem. Yeah he wants more and now hard to keep up that heroin heaven and now since he has a wife who's also a heroin addict and paying for her heroin to while she was pregnant so she wasn't supposed to be doing heroin she was pregnant. Oh man so yeah then she was going to shoot right off once that baby came out. Let's be honest. Yeah like he was still going to be paying for heroin at some point. Also going to have a baby but that wasn't tough on the priority list. Yeah I know. I'm pretty sure this was almost a trainspotting kind of thing. Like baby came second to heroin. F- Yeah ooh his argument. Was I right ninety percent of the music so I should get ninety percent of the money. Kristen Dave were actually totally. Fine with that. When Kurtz said he wanted to make it retroactive to the release of never mind which would give him a massive slice of the album's proceeds? That's when Kristen. Dave lost their shit understand. Well no then they should have lost their should to begin with. I feel like A. Yeah but that's unfair. Anyway I mean it any if they wanted to split. So that Kirk got the biggest cut going forward because he was is writing most of the day fine but their agreement up through never mind was split it all evenly. Yeah Lake retroactively is. You can't just go back and be like no now. I wrote all these songs so I should get all the credit for even though we had this agreement before. That just seems fucking greedy. Yeah definitely it already seems a little title like okay Incur actually had the nerve to call. KRISTEN DIV greedy. The ban became extremely close to breaking up over this. But everyone encouraged Kristen Dave back down and let Kurt have this. One in incur ended up with a seventy five percent cut of the royalties. Jesus all it did was served have to push the guys farther apart right still. They went overseas to make up cancelled. Tour dates it was miserable especially because Kurt was still on heroin and his stomach McCain was out of control. Oh you're saying the heroine didn't help his stomach yeah I think what he would say about that is he would shoot up. Heroin and the pain will go away but as soon as he was coming down off of it will come back because no shit. You're in a state of you. Know Euphoric Stupor for up to ten hours. Yeah so yeah. You're not gonNA feel fucking anything. Yup that's that's how drugs work. That's how that drug works. Hey opioids that's what they do oils boy. Oh Boy Oh boy uh-huh oh boy Ed's we really have a problem in this boy. Oh Ole boy oh boy yeah. It's a real problem. I mean it is it is yes anyway. Anyway he went to great lengths to get drugs on tour including getting them from an AIDS patient. That sketchy Dr hooked him up with. He's taking oh boy weeds from AIDS patients. Why do you addiction has fucking what addiction it does to you and I know we've talked about this? We're going to beat this fucking horse to death. But that's why it's just infuriating. That so many people around him just let it happen when they could have stopped it and then they leave that to stop it and should have at least made it very well known that. It's it's not okay for you to do yet at Joanna sounded like he did it. They knew he was doing it. But they said there's nothing I can do as opposed to yes try and not only was sir nothing I could do but I'm not very close to him so I'm not going to try. I get it. It is defeating to know that he's probably not gonNA listen to you. I'll try yeah and a lot of people in his circle. Just let it happen. And that's ridiculous. Would you are kidding. Oh boy it's from an AIDS patient. Yeah sketchy doctor and know your come on. That's really when they become. Oh boy. It's yeah it is so oh boy into Welker was supposedly clean during the tour in only taking leaky Methadone pills. As soon as he got back home he started right up with heroin again. He was spending four hundred dollars a day on drugs and what have spent more if he could take more than four hundred dollars a day out of the ATM. Yeah that's that's the problem. Yeah that's almost twice as much as it is now. I think the difference between scene one hundred dollars in nine hundred ninety one or nineteen. Ninety two Two now is like it would be one hundred and seventy dollars now. That's almost twice voices much. That's a lot. He had a moment of clarity realizing his baby was about to be born and he didn't want to be hooked on heroin when the big moment happens good so he checked himself into Rehab at Cedars Sinai Hospital on August Fourth Nineteen ninety-two. This wasn't the first time attempting Rehab and it wouldn't be his last last aside from getting off heroin. There was another plus to going to Rehab. He finally got his stomach issues. Looked at okay good. Doctors put him through a slew of of tests x-rays and Cat Scans according to Michael Azar. Add the author of the book that I was reading. The verdict was a pinched nerve in his back that led to his stomach causing undue amounts of pain and vomiting all right but he didn't do anything about it. Oh if he actually did get it. Diagnosed diagnosed as something didn't do anything about it so he just continued using heroin over the course of the next few years is the author just assume that this is the problem or is this what some doctors were saying was the problem. No this is what He. This is what Kurt told him. Oh yes because the author of the book Michael as read he was following Nirvana around. He spent a lot of time with her. And all of the quotes uses in the book are directly away from Kurt to him and it's a firsthand account holy Shit so Kurt knew what was wrong. Yeah chose not to do anything all you have to do. I mean all you have to do but get some surgery. Try something granted. They might not have had that much knowledge about it at that point but still like you would think there would be some kind kind of like physical therapy or something. There's definitely people getting back surgery back. Then yeah like they knew how to do back surgery by ninety two so yeah yeah it but now you know it's easier getting heroin heroin go. That's sad when your healthcare so bad. It's like it'd be easier though heroin. Yeah meanwhile shit was about to hit the fucking fan for Kurt. And Courtney. Oh Yeah it was. Fantasy Fair magazine released. Its September one thousand nine hundred to issue with a featured story on courtney the photos of a pregnant naked courtney in see through lingerie wasn't what made people clutch their pearls. What what did was cornelis admission that she was using heroin in her? First Trimester not something you tell. Vanity Fair Courtney. Yeah that's really really know you. We're really proud of the fact that you used and still manage to carry a baby full term a healthy baby which is great awesome but maybe not something to gloat about magazine and this is a weird. An unusual misstep for Corny. I think because usually she knows what she's doing doing when she puts herself in front of the camera in with a journalist and whatever's she for some reason thought this was going to be like a nice little story about her her and her music and stuff. It's like you had one EP. That was released a year before this came out you. Oh have nothing coming down the line. Nobody knows who your band is. The only reason Vanity Fair wants to talk to. You is because you're Kurt cobain's junkie wife who is pregnant with their babies pregnant with possibly there junkie baby right so what he knows that you're not using yes so of course they're not going to be fucking Nice Nice to you. They want the juice. Yeah they want all the detail they start all the rumors so they can sell magazines. They grabbed that citrus. A truce and justice for all. It's worth a we's that orange and they weren't there to like handle you gently. Yeah no no one cared. That she didn't know she. She was pregnant and stopped using immediately after she found out right. It caused an uproar. Anyway in children's services got involved they took the cobain's to court where where the use of Vanity Fair article and urine tests approve they. Kurt and Courtney were abusing drugs and she didn't have custody of their as yet unborn child. They also ordered. Kurt go to a detox program. Even though he was already in one oh so like he would have to finish out that program then immediately go to another detox program. Their defense he could benefit from two in a row. Yeah just to like reaffirm everything. He learned the first time. Yeah Guy on August eighteenth nineteen. Ninety-two Corny gave birth to Frances Bean Cobain at Cedar Sinai Hospital the same one. Where Kurt I was going through Rehab? No let's comedian. Yeah Courtney personally walked across the hospital to drag her husband into the delivery room screaming at him the entire time I'm encouraged promptly passed out Mrs Daughters Birth. Oh yeah apparently he was on sleeping pills. Oh Jeez like prescribed ones in them place or is he sneaking him. Oh I'm sure. They were prescribed contrary to popular belief. Aleve Francis was not named after Francis Farmer but rather after Francis McKee of the Scottish band the vast leans okay. They're really loved them. Vessel Leans they did head ever the trendsetters. They were one of the first celebrity couples to give their kid weird middle name getting the name. Bean from you guessed it a fucking bean we like beings. Yeah they're really. They're really into beans. They thought she looked like a kidney. Bean on her Sonogram I me me and so. They named her beans who they realize. All do is look like kidney beans because that's just what it looks like in there. Yeah I don't know they were on drugs. They were drugs. You're right. You're right two weeks. After Francis was born child. Services took her away from current Corny. They they were forced to surrender custody. Two Courtney Sister Jamie and we're not allowed to be alone with their own daughter. That's really harsh. That kinda sucks and I do feel for for Courtney at this point. Because she was going through postpartum depression they was literally two weeks after she gave birth and At that time they were both clean. You know that's that's a really big mess step in the system and I get why they did it. 'cause you're like oh I'm hearing all these things but it was all based on speculation and yeah and the Vanity Fair article if they drug tested. Like Kurtz already whatever in Rehab. But if they drug test the courtney courtney she should lean so. Why wouldn't you at least drug tested before you decide to take your kid away right? That's not fair at her. Like this is probably the one time we will side with courtney like this is. This is kind of bullshit. Yeah because they were clean and I feel like this was a real slap in the face to trying to stay clean yet. If you're not do they hold this. Yeah this really didn't help the struggle. If you're still getting your kid take annoy when you try to be clean. Why is there an incentive for you to not use again right? He you spent the better part of Nineteen ninety-two battling courts. Submitting regular urine tests and hemorrhaging money in an attempt to get custody Francis back eventually they did but the media Shit Shit Storm. It caused a huge black mark. On the couple. Now the entire world thought of Corneas Lowlife Junkies. The worst parents that ever lived and they didn't even really have a chance. Stephen Be Parents at this point and they didn't even have a chance to defend themselves. Yeah that's this is Kinda fucked up again. They're finally books clean and they just get shed on for. Yeah rumors of Nirvana breaking up. Also dogged the band Kurtz hospitalizations force them to release a statement saying no. He's not in the hospital for drugs. He's there because of health reasons. This led to people thinking he was on death store and the ban was breaking. Oh my gosh. Whatever the most dramatic story they can build as basically Siklie? Those rumors couldn't have been farther from the truth but the ban still had fun with them at the end of August. Ninety two the ban headline England's reading festival Kurt dressed in a hospital gown and doing his best to look frail and weak on my was rolled out onto the stage in a wheelchair. He Shakily he got up. Sang a bar. Two of the rose by Bette midler and then collapsed only immediately shot back up and launched into breed. The The joke was an outright jab at the English tabloids which surprise surprise. We're particularly cruel and ruthless reporting on the COBAIN's no way it's not like the English tabloids like I don't know hound the royal family so badly that they want to quit the family anything. You think they don't do that. God what is it like to be that terrible person. I don't know how do you live with yourself. How do you live with yourself? You the pay campy that good did I mean I guess it's pretty good but you still have to work real hard. Yeah I just don't think any of it's worth it also. You have to ruin people's lives so so you have to be a certain level of sociopath I suppose yeah a few days after reading Nirvana Open. The one thousand nine hundred MTV video music awards we already talked about it. In our in Mutara review episodes so for the sake of time. We won't go over it again but it was fucking hilarious. It would make sure you listen to it hilarious. They did win two awards. That night I I was accepted by a Michael Jackson. Impersonator enduring the Second Christie yelled at the end. Remember Joseph Goebbels Who's Joseph Goebbels. He was the minister of propaganda for the Nazi party during World War. Two all my God now I don't. I don't think anybody like caught on that. He was like saying remember. This awful Nazi guy but yeah go to say. That's that's a good one Chris as good one for in Courtney the rest of Nineteen ninety-two was spent fighting courts and the media as a result of the intense media scrutiny. Kristen Dave really rallied behind Kurt and defended him when they needed to. which Dr Right at least showed up at one point? Hey we'll help you. Yeah the also rallied rallied for causes that Chris was really passionate about in August. The band played a benefit concert to oppose Oregon's measure nine which was a hugely bigoted and homophobic a big initiative. That would force the Oregon government to admit homosexuality was wrong right early nineties right right okay. Cool good to know that twenty years after that that we were still doing the same fucking thing Brian. Chris also became a very passionate opposed to Washington's erotic music law. Ah Proposal for this this stupid bill if passed courts would be able to certain albums were quote unquote erotic and therefore can't be sold to anyone under eighteen being a fervent believer in freedom of speech. Beach Kristen it take to this law very well. Because it's fucking stupid thing I've ever in my life he went on. TV show called town meeting to argue against the law. And the whole pan campaigned against the bill culminating in a benefit show on September nine in September nineteen ninety-two also you can find the episode of town meeting eating on youtube and it's just him and a like a Washington housewife on stage. I it is and they were supposed to have a member of two live. Crew joined by satellite. I didn't get through episode so I don't know if he actually showed up but the housewife was. Just will somebody think of the children. She she was like she was talking about how her four four year old wanted like a two live crew album and she was like. Oh my stars. I can't believe you could be listening to this. What what what is this? How is my four year listening to this like because you fuck in letter like yeah like the kids for also listening to whatever you have on? Also I'm quite sure that a four year old shouldn't be listening to to live Peru. Why did you do your research about two live crew before you got her the fucking album if you don't want her to listen to it say don't listen to that shave questions like at a four year old like I love to late cool? Yay You get the two of them firmly birthday league white. No Sir four year olds here saying that unless your playmate you dumb bitch. How many fucking looking for year olds waddled into a strawberries by themselves with twenty dollars and say cumulus two live crew album? No none of them none none of no four year old traipse it into the strawberries or the coconut. None of them. None of them know that happened. Ed You did this lady. This is your is your fault. You know what it's also like whatever your choice if you want to let a kid listen to that. You don't get to make a decision for somebody somebody else. Also your four year old is not going to understand what the fuck they're saying. NOPE that year was rounded out by the release of incest. Decide on December fifteenth. Which yes? It isn't decide. I called Insecticide and pretty sure last episode. Yeah and that is wrong. It is in zest decide but trying counts. I mean I could. I could believe both pronunciations honestly for the last twenty five years I have been going back and forth not really knowing which one it really is and not bothering to check so yeah. The album didn't contain anything. New Per Se as it consisted of besides covers covers demos and random songs that were previously recorded in sub pop still own the songs which they intended to use for their own compilation that they were cheekily. Are you going to call. Cash Cow. Geffen bought the recordings from sub pop for a six figure sum and agreed to have sub. Pop's is legal featured on the back of the album ensuring the label would get royalties from every unit sold win for everybody honestly sub pop made made out on the deal with Geffen jazz with your bond. You don't see deals like that anymore. They would have gone under one hundred percent if they didn't get idiolect. This yeah so good. Free sub pop I guess here welcome for the bailout. I Guess Sup Bailout. Nineteen it. Never forget so. He needs to put that in a rap song. I will so pop bail out. Nineteen ninety a D to never forget geffen opted not to promote incest. Decide still managed to climb to number thirty six on the billboard charts certified gold by February nineteen ninety-three gopher them in these guys still found themselves to be living very different lives by the time. Ninety three rolled around. Chris was taking key more trips to Croatia and got involved with helping Bosnian rape victims including organizing a benefit concert in spring of ninety three. Wow it was an issue that Kurt was especially a passionate about as well. He was very outspoken opponent of rape and toxic masculinity he even laid into bigoted Nirvana fans though that did nothing mm to deter people from buying their albums. Yeah I'm still going to be a bigot. But I'm also still totally going to buy insist decides. She's he's going to beat people up to two sliver. It's fine early. This isn't the want for June. It Dave mostly kept himself during time off writing his own music and contemplating his role in the band. David was really unsure of his place in her Vonda from the beginning and curt and Krist even if they weren't super close friends ends always had an unspeakable on that played out on stage. But Dave was just kind of there. He was just the drummer. He kind of almost looks the part of the kid brother. Who's going along with his two older brothers? Yeah he's just there is hey me too. And they're like yeah. Sherman will yell at us if we don't let the play in the band. He didn't contribute anything artistic to the ban in filled. That Nirvana was Kurt show. Even though he was writing music he didn't dare share it with the band. For fear fear it would hurt the dynamic. Yeah I mean at this point. Kurt had such a strong hold on the writing. I'm sure yeah and there is also that so doesn't take. He might look at that as a slight but he also didn't think anybody else's music was as good as his so that's true he just you still don't think it will fit into a repertoire. Oh my God he'd Ringo him he would ringo days. Oh that's very very nice Dave. We'll put this rights on the refrigerator. What the funny thing thing is Dave Grohl would go on to be quite successful just a little bit? I mean we still know who he is. A gas Who Dave who do deep growls? They've krause meanwhile. Kurt was sinking deeper into isolation while Kristen Kristen Dave could go. Unrecognized on the street. Kurt didn't have the same luxury. He was constantly hounded by people so he pretty much just stayed home and that kind of isolation Asian led to certain levels of paranoia depression and you guessed it drug use slot. No no way. The band went back into the studio in February. Worry Ninety three to record their next album in utero. They chose to work with Steve Albany a producer that was already popular amongst the Khotan quote. GRUNGE crowd AH HIS SIMPLISTIC LO FI. Approach to recording again. We covered this in an earlier episode. So I'm not going to go into crazy detail. Let's just say that. Tensions agents within the band boiled hot through the recording. Especially when Courtney arrived for a visit. She clearly didn't make a good impression on Steve Albany and a fight between between her and Dave started a long and intense rivalry for years to come legit decades guys cades. It's been a long time. Yeah despite the strain between Kirk Kristen Dave. The actual recording went surprisingly quick and smooth. Dave was even able to contribute more coming up with the main riff for the song sent sent lists apprentice and recording original song. Marigold that the band made the B side to heart shaped box single. That's right good free day. Yes really Nice Ace. They didn't put on the fridge. They put it right on the other side of US single. You get the other side. You get the Bayside in Utero was released on September Twenty First Nineteen ninety-three and debuted at number one in the US despite relatively little promotion from Geffen in comparison never mind it. Received mostly positive reviews. Noting it's more mature lyrics and authentic if varied sound by now. The band had basically glee split into two camps. Kristen Dave on one side and curtain Courtney on the other all of those aren't that's those are even camps. Yeah everyone was living in their own. Private lives and tension simmered between the bandmates. Div even quit the band at one point which is something that a lot of people don't realize during a flight from Seattle to La. Dave overheard a wasted Kirk complain. About how Shitty of a drummer he was. He was fucking pissed and told their a tour manager that he couldn't deal with bullshit anymore and he was quitting. Their tour manager managed to talk him down and Dave stayed in the band. Well yes like Dave grohl pretty agreeable. He's a Nice fucking guy and I'm sure he put up with a lot of shit already. Yeah but then to just hear curve like he focused it is Dave Grohl is not a shitty drum player. No He's actually a really good song writer and a multi instrumentalist. Yeah he's actually pretty good and it also he's not fucked up on heroin all the time and also later on Kerr told some publication or something like he gave today for coming up with the riff to San Luis apprentice but then continued on by saying that it was boneheaded lake. Hi To you and why the fuck did you use. And he's like I do a lot to actually make it usable but yet he came up with it like what the fuck just give them the fucking credit. It's just kind of unfortunate fortunate to hear about how much of an asshole that Kurt was. Yeah he just didn't want to give anybody the credit that they deserved right but at the same time he didn't. You want to be considered this musical genius. So what the fuck do you want right. And it's I'm sure he had all these people. Not Just Courtney I'm sure. He had several WPRO people whispering in his ear. How great he was better off on your own? Why are you still in a band? He might have probably been growing John Lennon complex blacks and everybody kept comparing him to John Lennon so yeah he probably had a John Lennon black prior to John Lennon Complex Real. Yeah if he lived lived he may have very well if either cheated. Or left Courtney Oh God willing and on that note we should take a commercial malloy over that one kid's we'll be right back and we're back welcome back to the shit show. It is a shit show and it gets to be even bigger shit show. What how can it get bigger? How can it get worse? uh-huh possibly get any worse. Let me tell you July. Some more trouble for the COBAIN's when Kurt was arrested at their home. Yeah I should remember this. A Seattle Times. Article reported that the couple had a bit of a domestic and we're physically fighting over handguns. Handguns in a are fifteen. These vein apparently really liked guns also. They were really into gun there. Into opioids God's perfect pairing great pairing. This oh boy. It really pairs are fifteen. According to Kurt. The newspaper was drastically wrong. They were actually just play fighting running around the house screaming and wrestling and someone called the cops hops on them honestly. I can see this happening because they did do that. Shit Oh 'cause they were fucked up all the time and they wrestled. That's what they did. I don't get it bizarre. Mating rituals however Baby now and maybe you should be on drugs. They also had a nanny so the the nanny take care of her. We'll Rascic to be that nanny. Yeah there is no amount of alcohol. Oh so there is a scene in montage of heck. That is a home movie of Kurt. And Courtney and their nanny trying to cut France's hair. Oh God Kurt is obviously fucked up. got like the facial sores that heroin heroin users get and all that shit and he's sitting in a chair holding Francis on his lap and nodding off slumping over. Why Oh Courtney me also fucked? Up is wielding a pair of scissors trying to cut Francis. His hair and the nanny is just kind of sitting there. Just letting it all happened and I'm like you're the sober my God. Maybe you should take the sharp scissors away from Courtney. Maybe maybe you should try. Try cutting France's his hair yourself. Maybe or are you seeing there trying to catch the baby. When Kurt inevitably falls off the chair imagined trying to take his court in his hand gets thank? You Get stabbed on it. said she goes shake you know but anyway the cops were arresting. Kurt Courtney admitted they had guns in the House and looking back on it. It's kind of a devastating piece of foreshadowing hauled up guns. Did they take the guns away. They did not take guns away because they had to arrest him because that is what the law dictated when the cops were called to a domestic disturbance worse so they had to take Kurt into custody or Kerr. Or Courtney Kerr elected to go. But because nobody brought any charges his against him they didn't take them away but known drug users. Yeah but to keep their guns. They hadn't in Ben Busted for gun for drug possession or anything so they had no priors. Kurt had no priors. So that's not on record you'd arguably a bigger reason for gun control than anything. Maybe you could stop a couple suicides. Maybe maybe it okay but this'll oh comeback leader. Oh yeah well turns out. The band went on their first tour in support of in euro on October nine in October ninety three earlier in the summer the band decided to add another guitarist to the mix. I think official word is that they wanted to beef up their live performances. But it could also also have been because Kirk couldn't handle singing and playing guitar at the same time. It wasn't the first time they've brought Jason ever men on when they were promoting emoting bleach because he couldn't sing and play guitar at the same time. I think I remember. I don't know if the clip but people were talking about there's clips of Kurt trying to sing and play at the same time. He just couldn't do it. Yeah it's not that easy and in utero has arguably more complicated songs on it. Definitely again Eh. Standby it best album. Yes one hundred percent. I agree someone out. There is like fuck you not. Everyone is already all ready up in arms over me saying Dave Grohl is a better musician than Kurt cobain. Right blame your brother. I understand shots fired at our to your friends at blame your brother podcast but they are not too. There are none too pleased. I know it's just a good old fashioned elbow in the side. It's it's I stand by it absolutely again. I think Kurt died too young to have a valid opinion. And but also like Dave wasn't fucked up on drugs all the time curtis his own device. We keep rolling circles here. I'm sorry Kirk couldn't even remember his his only Eric's because he was so fucked up if no not even when he was fucked up he like he just couldn't remember his lyrics. Well listen to to unplugged in New York over again. He fucks up the lyrics to so many of his own fucking songs and he was arguably sober back then or at least probably not high during that performance wants cunning anyway. Here's some very light. Oh boy in some way. Oh boy. It's after careful consideration. They decided to bring in Pat smear former guitarist of the punk band. The Germs Pal L.. Pat had a very different experience playing with Nirvana then. Kristen Dave did he wasn't privy to all the tension drug abuse and general bullshit that I was going I was Nirvana. I had a lovely time. Did he had fucking fantastic time. He injected a sorely needed amount of happiness S. into the band. o You've really was just happy to be there. And that rubbed off on everyone else. He also provided a much-needed bridge between Kristen. Dave on on one side and Kurt and Courtney on the other. Aw so a job that should not have been thrust upon him. No but for the most part pat had a great time in Nirvana. I don't even think he was there for yeah. He wasn't even in the band for a year though. And he was only a touring musician. But it's fucking fantastic for him. This is so so much fun guys. The MTV unplug special aired in November and the band's onstage behavior made it seem like everything was Hunky Dory. They played so so smoothly and cohesively that they're unplug special became one of the most revered Intel event televised rock history. Which is ironic considering? The band was convinced it was going to be a disaster. Rehearsals went terribly Dave banging his drums too hard. Oh yeah and the band was nervous about playing acoustically which they'd never done before curtain. It didn't actually even play acoustically. He put his guitar through an amplifier which was camouflaged to look like a monitor wedge. All that cheeky little monkey but they pulled it it off. They had a specifically curated playlists. which which only included one of their big hits the rest were lesser known nirvana songs plus some covers in an absolutely absolutely heart wrenching? Rendition of lead. Belly's where did you sleep last night. The man I gotTa Tell You David Bowie's cover man who sold the world still really good. Also he fucked up all of the lyrics to that song away wasn't that wasn't originally Nirvana's song. What that was David Bill? We saw what. Yeah you heard it here first kids but no. I didn't actually never really really fucked up. All the words mumbled through that whole song. I wasn't just just like a stylistic choice now just him. That was him not knowing the lyrical all right. Kurt seemed happy. Joked around told stories in seemed common happy. I said happy twice. That's how happy he was happy. He was so happy twice so happy twice behind the scenes he he was reportedly going through withdrawal and was suffering a bad bout with so many problems he took volume to get through the show. It would also be the last televised show the ban Dan would ever perform withdrawal Dune last long he was still using in February ninety. Four when you're von and went on their European tour the tour was a disaster and and it appeared that Kurt's life was starting to really fall apart. I mean we're ninety four now homestretch man home stretch from the beginning of the tour. Kurt wanted to cancel it. His his mood was in the dumpster and he was fighting off. Bronchitis an Laryngitis. Oh God and he just didn't want to be there well bronchitis and Laryngitis. The fuck is he expected to saying hang. He always had bronchitis he had. He had a slew of health problems since he was a little kid. One of them was bronchitis lake anytime he John fucking plane he got bronchitis. That's awful. Yeah that's why he hated going to Europe is because every time you went there he got sick off. That does really blow. Yeah yeah it does on March first while Munich Germany. Kurt and Courtney got into a fight over the phone corny claims. It was because Kurt found out she was thinking about cheating on him. He blew a gasket and marched into buzz. Osborne's dressing room to unload his woes onto him. His Melvin were opening Verner von okay. We're he even admitted that he wanted to get a divorce. This Munich show would be Nirvana's last performance ever which Kerr ended abruptly citing laryngitis. Says the issue. I mean MS valid. Yeah but also like. He's got a lot going on. Yeah he's got a lot on. His mind. Might not want to perform that night yeah. The tour was rescheduled to resume on March eleventh. So the guys went went their separate ways until then curve flew to Rome where he reunited with Courtney and Francis Corny woke up on the morning of March fourth to find her unresponsive. This wasn't the first time this has happened. Back in July of Nineteen ninety-three Kurt overdose on heroin. Before four show at the Roseland ballroom in New York City she pumped him full of Narcan and only a few minutes later he was on stage hall literally from overdose to playing a show. Show within minutes Like the people in this crowd have no idea no clue if you were at that show. You know idea. He almost he over. He was all all intents and purposes. He was dead a few minutes ago. That's crazy how can you live your life like that. Tono rock and roll lifestyle L.. Also your twenty-seven on that day in Rome Kurt had ingested over fifty Rohypnol pills. Wash them down with a bottle of champagne. Oh Oh yeah. Rohypnol Ain't no joke. What do I think? It's very close to Fenton Hill. It's an obe boy that's all you need to know. He's a bad boy it is it is a supreme all boy. It's a wo- void. I I don't think we've actually said the word opioid until just now when I just. I can't anymore so boy and by the time the ambulance arrived. Kurt was in a coma. Joe Official official word from Nirvana's management was that it was an accidental overdose. Corny confirmed it was a suicide attempt which yeah I'm I'M GONNA say yeah ask. Sounds like a suicide attempt to me. Yeah Yeah that's not an accident no snow you can't say they're vitamin C.. Pills or something. That's no no nobody. Woody takes fifty vitamin C.. Pills one's been so whole five years of Vitamin Talents. Better take take them all at one. Maybe if you have scurvy actively have scurvy yeah. He had scurvy so he looked into and fight even Z.. Sir I also don't think see we do that to you. What we're you know wouldn't sure you're still seeing it certainly wouldn't cure it right away? You would pee it all out. Yeah right I know what I'm saying. Like if they wanted to say he got it confused for his vitamins or something. Nobody takes fifty vitamin pills a day. Trying to cure scurvy that this should have been their official word. Yeah he had scurvy he was. He thought it was vitamin C. Fine trying to cure scurvy sir. He spent the last three months on a pirate ship. Open the time for him broke out in scurvy and just a whole crew got it the whole crew. Everyone got scurvy. I'm glad let accrues that I just came back with scurvy. The ACRO- Courtney confirmed it was a suicide attempt. And he had left a note in it saying he'd rather die than deal with another divorce smeeting his parents his parents. Yeah I get that. After five days in the hospital. Kurt was allowed to return home to Seattle to recuperate however he he wasn't any better mentally. He was fully in the grip of addiction and to her credit. Corny did attempt to curb it. She refused to let him shoot up in the house. But that just just let him to shooting up in gross motel rooms or his dealer's place. this is turning into a real total rockstar knee. Yeah like I'm GonNa shoot up whether you want me to or not. I'M GONNA shoot wherever I can do it. Even if that place is horribly dirty and I could get something from Senate like scurvy lakes. That's that's the real danger of shooting up. Heroin needs from mccurdy needle. It wasn't getting Habsi was in you know. Od Ing and dying. It was the scurvy. Yeah the real fear the unknown assailants. She's on March eighteenth. Kurt and Courtney got into an argument and the Seattle police were called Corny. told him that Kurt was suicidal. And had locked himself in a room with a gun He insisted he wasn't suicidal. But the police confiscated all of the guns anyway. Thank uncannily one week later. March twenty fifth corny held a surprise intervention for Kirk. Oh so we finally did it. Finally what Kudos to Courtney Friends bandmates and management gathered to convince him to go to Rehab. He felt ganged up on and refused to go insisting that he just needed a good therapist. pissed instead okay. By the end of the day he relented after hours of Courtney screaming that she would divorce him if he didn't go and friends flushing his stash down the toilet corny also promised to go to Rehab herself. Okay Fair deal fair deal. Yeah in court one one in Corny actually left for Rehab the next day. It was the last time she would see Kurt. Now who's watching Francis. I assume the nannies he's or is either the nannies or Kurtz or Kurz family. Okay he didn't attempt to go to Rehab until March. Twenty ninth but a fistfight with Chris at the airport terminal prompted Kurt to abandon the idea and go home Guan he got. He got into a fistfight with crist. Okay we'll see super mismatch like come on. You're not GonNa win almost a foot shorter than the sky. It's not happen. The next day Kurt went to his friend Dylan Carlson. Then and ask Dylan to buy a gun presumably. Because he wasn't allowed to own any after his were confiscated less than two weeks early. And this is were Dylan says no now. Kurt I will not buy you a gun. No Dylan said sure. I'll buy you a gun. Lock you Dylan. Not Quite understanding. How bad of an idea that that was even though he was at the fucking intervention? The sweating this. I'm saying about the people in a circle but Dylan. Carlson also had a heroin problem. That super escalated after Kurt died so Cohn who knows what state of mind he was in also. Yeah I guess but still he did offer to hold onto the gun for Kurtz but curtains insisted it was fine and convinced him he was only keeping it at a home for protection. From what apparently trespassers. Yeah I guess anyway the next day margin to shoot them. You don't have a stand your ground law in Seattle. I duNNo. I don't know what the laws were would trespassers and Shit Prieta gate to. But whatever. I don't know anyway. The next day March thirtieth KURT CHECK INTO THE EXODUS RECOVERY CENTER IN LA. Thank you. No one told exodus about curt suicide attempt in Rome or his chronic depression so extra precautions were not taken with him cool. Yeah good guys visitor. said he seemed to be in a good place and he candidly talk to counselors about his drug addiction and family problems and he was supposed post to say at exodus for four weeks on the evening of April first after only a couple of days at the center Kerr walked outside to have a cigarette and scale the six foot fence when one was looking wow. He grabbed a taxi to the Los Angeles airport and took a Redeye flight back to his home in Seattle so they let him keep his card in his wallet and stuff on. Apparently I feel like you should take that stuff away. They they probably would have if they knew he had a suicide attempt and chronic depressions president. Take it away from anybody so anybody can leave whenever they fucking lot. It's monetary so yes. They can leave whenever they want on the program. You're it's supposed to be four weeks but you sign yourself in. You can sign yourself out whenever you want. He didn't sign himself. He could have just signed himself out almost almost always an option instead he just took the hard way Kirwin back to his home at one. Seventy one lake Washington bully boulevard in Seattle in the wee hours of April second. His friend Kelly dewitt was house sitting with his girlfriend but DEWITT was high at the time and it didn't even registered to him. That Kurt was home. He thought he was hallucinating. I guess if you're that hot wow okay. Here's the big problem to every once. Hi everyone is on drugs literally. Everyone not helpful later that morning Kirk took a taxi to purchase more shotgun shells. That was the last confirmed firm sighting of Kurt there were plenty of unconfirmed sightings in his last few days in Seattle but no one knows his footsteps for sure Courtney couldn't find her anywhere couldn't get a hold of him and no one could really say they had seen him and she knew he was suicidal. So on April third corny hired private investigator. Tom Grant rant to track down Kurt he would have had an easier time doing that. If corny hadn't cancelled Kurtz credit card which could attract his movements if his purchases went through but but she she cancel them kind of after she realized Kurt had gone missing. I think so Mike. Probably when you know exodus called her and was like yeah he just jump the fence right too long. They realized that yeah and then she would the next day she was felt like Oh. Cancel the credit card which yeah yeah I get it but also me things really hot harder. Yeah it finally dawned on Kelly that he actually had seen Kerr and immediately call l.. Courtney okay there you go. She sent Eric Airlines into the House to help Kelly search for Kurt. The house was searched total of three times but everyone failed to check the garage or the greenhouse above it. Kurt had successfully disappeared for nearly six days. No one could find him then. On April Eighth Nineteen ninety-four and electricity went to curtain corneas house to install security lighting. He found Kurt's body lying on the floor of the greenhouse. At first he thought thought he was just sleeping in reality. Had taken the twenty gauge shotgun. Dylan Carlson had bought for him late under his Chin and shot himself. A suicide note was stuck in a flower pot nearby with a pen. Toxicology reports would later confirm. Kurt had an almost unbelievable amount of heroin in his system system. As well as valium like so much that he could have even just died from an overdose he could have. And that became a point of contention attention with the play. Ke- Kurt Cobaine death. Truth irs out there. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I've watched the document was the documentary soaked. Tim Blood or something. I don't know there was one on. Net flicks was really captivated by it. Where the tea? I think it was actually the private investigator. The Courtney hired. Oh Yeah He. After he became like the leader of the conspiracy has dot com grant. He has a book too called. Who Killed Killed Kurt cobain and he lays out everything I used to have it? I think eisold back to Amazon at one point which makes me very angry. Because I want it back because it's just malarkey it is such bullshit and he is so adamant that Kurt Ni like personally personally killed. Kurt like non dude. I'm sorry I'm not GONNA lie. I was captive it like when you first documentaries and probably the same with you reading the Book Doc. You're like this is such a good argument. I was like Courtney killed skirt. Yeah like a good year. Oh for my like entire adolescence. I was like Courtney killed them and then as an adult she didn't she didn't she probably had a heavy hand in screwing him up mentally enough where he wanted wanted to commit suicide but she did not physically pull the trigger. No she did not the sole reason for him wanting to die rather. She didn't help nope but I also don't want to put the blame on her. Not all of it certainly I. Yeah I don't know Courtney Fan Dan but I am not a fucking death truth early as like not. Most people are in yeah. I'm not going to go that far in. That's that's Kinda. Kinda is tasteful. It is and it's also something that Courtney would say. If she were on the outside looking in right she would be pointing the finger at you know herself and be you like that bitch did it. Yeah True Kurt's death sent shock waves through the music world and devastated his friends and family. A public memorial was held on April tenth. Some of Kurt's family made speeches and recorded statements. From Kristen Courtney were played to the crowd of thousands of mourners corny. Read parts of Kurt hurt suicide note to the crowd. The note was addressed to his childhood imaginary friend. Boda elementary that Kurt found himself to be a pitiful rockstar in didn't feel L.. Happy about making music anymore. Calling himself the sad little sensitive unappreciative. Pisces Jesus Man God damnit shots fired. Kurt At himself but also all Pisces. Yeah he ended the no by saying I'm too much of an erratic Moody Baby. I don't have the passion anymore are in so remember. It's better to burn out than to fade away. He then encouraged Courtney to continue on for Francis who would be better off without him. I mean that's not true. It's not et all. I also understand the sentiment of how he felt when it's like I'm just more trouble than it's worth Your Life will be easier terrify not around yeah. Corn showed up to the vigil later and gave out his clothes and belongings leader. Kurt's body was cremated. Corny divided the ashes and took some to a Buddhist monastery and if the New York where his ashes were blessed and then mixed with clay and turned into memorial sculptures. Oh are they are are they in Ithaca she takes them No. I think they're still in ETHICA. Oh Shit I did not know that I either so so there you go. We learned something in the months after. Kurt's death kristen. Dave retreated from the spotlight. Dave took the loss especially hard and dealt with a serious bell all of depression. Afterwards he he grappled with the idea that Kurt was gone while he was able to continue living he may not have had the closest relationship with Kurt but he was truly really heartbroken by his death. You know that's something I've thought about to that. I think you can still have survivor's guilt even when it you didn't didn't it's not like the person died and you were there and like it could have been either a view. Oh Yeah I think like you can look at someone close to die especially like tragically wrong long and say why are they gonNA. And I'm still here. I kind of feel. That's exactly how I felt when my friend Ben committed suicide suicide I wasn't super close with Ben But he was somebody that had just been around for for years and he was close friends with meyler friends so so when he committed suicide I was like what the fuck like. Whoa I could have been a better friend? I could've tried talking to him and intra just trying to understand. It was nearly impossible and then you wonder why like. Why did they have to do it? What could I have done in wyde-am item? Why am I still here? And they're not. They were such a good person right now. Kind of bad for all the shit. That is giving Kristen Dave. It's like I'm sure after this happened. They gave save themselves ten times. Oh Shit Oh they absolutely did. We could have done more and we didn't write survivor. Guilt was definitely real with them. Yeah we we all know that Dave eventually went on to find continued success coming into his own with his band foo fighters. I'm sorry who what's the band now. Never heard of him or her that food. What it you? An fighters who fighters who fighters they just fight Dr seuss character doctor. Who Characters both both my God? And he famously also had a long drawn out feud with Corny over Nirvana royalties and releases and so much more so much more so much more at one point I believe Courtney accused him of hitting on Francis Yup which why man the shit these two lobbied back and forth at each other in of an episode all in its own we should just feud episode. Well that's why we didn't pick them for the the first few episode because there was too much shit And we had to lake. Highlight of their feuds tearing couldn't just talk about them you know we might just do a feud on courted grow or girl. Because it's well it's all of Courtney love's feuds in one episode who why this a lot it is. It's almost too exhausting. Think about yeah. She is just an exhausting person. How the I don't want this? I am not wishing anything that how was she not dead because her life is exhausting. To hear about it's because you're dead. It's because her entire body is now encased in plastic. Nick Okay. That's it she's really dead she's just inside. Like Oh my God this shit that she stirs. Sirs I'd be so tired yes she's just constantly. She's just a skeleton on strings. And Billy Corgan is dancing her around everywhere all but you know crist. I also continued to make music and be politically active which I did not know. Yes but straight a bit further from the spotlight in the years after Kurt Kurt died. Chris played in numerous bands and participated in a lot of musical collaborations. He formed various bands with A. Who's who of Seattle Rock? Including Kim fail sale of Soundgarden Curt Kirkwood of the meat puppets and even Jello Biafra. ooh Look at you. He joined the band flipper for Awhile and occasionally makes an appearance when remaining members of Nirvana gather for a reunion believe. He's also now in a band called giants among the trees or something like that. I I feel like I've heard of this. Yeah that sounds familiar. It's looking at their pictures. It's an interesting rag tag group of Weirdos. Are they all sanely tall nope just him. Oh okay just tim these days. He's far more into politics. The music he advocates for political reform and has has written a book called of Grungy and government. Let's fix this broken democracy. He's right looks fixing. Let's let's fix it is. Let's fix it. He says he can't really categorize his political views and doesn't align with the left or the rights. He has however supported libertarian candidates in the last two presidential collections. Okay these days. Chris lives in a large farm near deep river Washington where he grows his own food. He Still Shelly. No Oh he. And Shelley got divorced in nineteen ninety nine and he remarried in two thousand four. Okay he can now boast about having two kids a pilot's license and Bachelors of Science from Washington State University. We'll get you crist. Yeah he's done some things. Look you really you know what you know. WHO The real winner owner of this is Chris? It's crist yeah. Chris Nova Celik. The key is living his best life. He's a pilot. He still rocks out. He grows his own food food. And he's still getting those sweet nirvana royalties. He's six foot seven most importantly he's six seven. Still Your Flat Sex foot seven as gentlemen winner of Nirvana Chris. Novus Novus Celik fucking round of applause. Because no going gives a shit about crest. Maybe likes it that way. I'm sure he does. I wouldn't blame him Began we all know what the fuck happened with Corny but also also these are not episodes about corny so who gives a fuck. She's played a large role in them. She has two large of a role. She's quite a large role in her. Von Unfortunately Scott quite large hole to works. Because there's also her band yeah honestly really. I believe really would not have lasted very long at all if she wasn't with Kurt. So which is unfortunate. Because I think the music's I wouldn't hate the music so much I didn't dislike courtney so much. Yeah the music. Isn't that bad but it's also it's it was nothing spectacular alert true. It was nothing extraordinary. It was nothing we hadn't heard before it just so happened that instead of L. Seven who is a much much better bands Getting famous courtney did because she married. Kurt the only reason whole got big. The only reason they got a record deal was because she married. Kurt saying what you will courtney definitely benefited on her relationship with Kurt. And she benefited from his death. Yeah absolutely benefiting from him. I know it's gross to say. But you can't look Courtney love and tell me like I don't understand worshiping Courtney love I think she is the exact example of what not to do. Yes you humans. Things like that is an example of someone who lacks empathy. She's the exact example of somebody who got where she is by manipulation and not having in any feeling bad about it right she. One hundred percent manipulated everyone including her. I don't think she wanted Kurt to die own. Oh Nice things that she and I will give her credit. I think she did try to stop it and I don't think she killed him but I think she understood that if even if he did die she would still benefit. She would benefit from it whether he was alive or not. She would benefit an eighth overall. Kurt didn't have to die. It's maybe maybe. He had a point when everybody had infant intervention. He's like. I just need a good therapist. Maybe he just needed a good therapist. I think he needed a lot of things including a good therapist because a lot of his issues were based in depression. Yeah which is going to do that. Much heroin if they're happy with themselves I. I don't think he ever did anything about his depression. I'm sure he didn't it was the stomach issues are consumed him. It wasn't the depression. It wasn't his childhood. It wasn't anything like that and I don't think he really gave a shit about finding a therapist to talk about it all with no. We didn't care he figured I can get a heroin problem. That will fix everything and he didn't understand that you can't control a heroin addiction. While I wonder if he just wanted the heroin addiction to kill him that could have been it. That could have been part of the reason why he did it. He got fed up that it wasn't actually killing him. Or whenever it was about to kill someone would bring him back. Well let me just actually just shoot myself or he knew he had the power to allow it to kill him. Yeah and I'm sure. He pump himself full of heroin Vicodin. So that it was a valium valium. I'm sorry Heroin and volume so that went so he could kill himself. Yeah like he wasn't isn't going to do it any other way. Well if you shoot up that much heroin I don't I don't know how heroin works but I assume you have a little bit of time before it takes. Its It's full effect for you to pick up a gun and shoot yourself. Yeah so yeah I mean intravenous drug use I. I don't think it's immediate immediate but it's pretty fucking quick. Yeah I think it is within like seconds or minutes but he still had enough time to grab to grab the gone and probably just when he was doing it it would. It would hit at the same time so we wouldn't feel it Ashley I'm Jenner. He he thought this out there. Is that question of how much you know again. We gave him the business but how much could have people done. He clearly had a plan wanted to do it. And he was GonNa do was gonNA fucking do it. Yeah he was gonNA find a way. So aw it's tragic and it's sad and maybe it's just what was meant to happen not meant to happen. That sounds wrong inevitable. Yeah Yeah I think inevitable. If he wasn't willing to get the help that he should have been getting than us and eligible. Hopefully nowadays. We've learned enough from Experiences like that yeah to be able to say okay. We don't want you to go down this path. Let's get you the help you need. Yeah it just upsets me. That the last couple of years of his life he was kind of tick bag. Everybody and I think half of that was does the drugs. Yep and I think half of it was courtney and I think half of it was chronic depression while hey there's three halves adds to the house. We try minutes worth trimester though Ashley. What's the fourth one fourth? Half of this us. Yeah and like the other parties you know unchecked depression that he never bothered to and I don't think he wanted to get any help for any of these things of self-loathing right yet. He he bribed off and he thought that's what he needed to survive. I would've loved to see. See The timeline where Kurt beats this and maybe becomes like a great fucking dude and his clean and becomes an amazing amazing musician like not that he wasn't but you know what I mean like. His talents aren't wasted because he's high all the time. Yeah that that's like the timeline I would love to see and I'm not going to completely tear them down. He was a really good song writer. He had amazing ideas for songs that nobody who was thinking of Ray at that time. But I'm going to standby it. Dave was better drummer. Oh Yeah I don't. I never heard Kurt Drum. He was back good at it. Where was that kid drum? That he has his ach gave them he would ban while Elliot's job down the street or you go. I don't know man. Yeah either way. It's it's just really sucks when you realize that your heroes are human. And they're kind of jerks and but it's still heartbreaking when they leave world and there's a huge empty void where they were they belong right. What could he have done if he didn't die right? And that's the question we're always gonNA be left with was Kirkman or Conan at the end of the day what could be done Yanner von and price Doda broken up you know maybe they would have had a reunion tower. Maybe no but like the the idea of like that butterfly effect. That could have happened in the alternative timeline. When Kurt Cobain didn't die like Oh my God mind-blowing what would have happened? What would have happened? We would have never gotten bought rock. Oh man if if keeping Kurt here on on earth means we never had Papa Roach or like creed or creed nickelback nickel back. Jack or gained or God smack. I'd be fine with that. I'm all right with that. 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James Blunt, Lauren Conrad & tWitch?

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James Blunt, Lauren Conrad & tWitch?

"Today's episode of WHO Weekly's brought to you by the new four part Showtime Documentary Series Love Fraud Vox says it's like the jinx but better. So if you like true crime listen up for years Richard, Scott Smith, a real life con man has prayed on dozens of unsuspecting women I e stole their hearts. Then he stole their money leaving them with nothing and ghosting them forever. Now, victims have banded together to seek revenge and with a tough as nails bounty hunter on their side. Crazy cat and mouse chase unfolds in real time. We'll they catch him well. The Hollywood reporter calls this series a touristy expectation defying story love fraud from your Sunday August thirtieth at nine pm only on showtime. You will. They WANNA know. We. Welcome to the podcast relearn everything you need to know about the celebrities you don't Bobby Finger. And here's a headline from the Daily Mail. Exclusive Colon Meghan Harry's new home sits behind a spooky estate once owned by the schizophrenic son of the inventor of the mechanical reaper who developed a foot fetish carrying his slippers in his arms as if they were life pets. I kind of like don't want to know what's behind this. I just wanted to live as headline that like I actually don't know the history behind, but it's not even their house the House House. Which is why this is not a story. I was like they're living in that house and then you realize it's behind the house but even if they were. Living in that house, not a story. I mean you really not really a story it's a funny lineage of it's funny house lineage. I guess. That's something that I could see Meghan being like Funny House Lenny a funny how funny house lineage like Oh well, you who used to live here like that's a story but the fact that they live behind it kind of not thing and all the photos of this. Daily. Mail story it's like just photos of Harry and Meghan House, I'm more interested in this guy. Also you don't think that like if you don't think that like at least. Eighty percent of the houses that cost over certain millions, millions of dollars were owned by people like this at some point. You don't know your house lineage because. You know you've never heard of Howard Hughes like you've never seen citizen Kane exactly like it's like one in three you know in terms of if your house is worth over x x x million dollars you know you're telling me one of the richest people in the country at some point in time built a house where they did some freaky shit like wow. Wow I'm shocked. Harry and Megan's mansion was built in two thousand and three. No history always time to make some schizophrenics son of the inventor of mechanical reaper who developed a foot fetish carried slippers in his arms as alive pets was built in. Nineteen Right, this at some point, these convenient bullet points go right from that to the specifics features nine bedrooms and sixteen bathrooms along with Games Room Gym tennis courts in the House and teahouse, and it's like, okay, we've moved on I. Guess There's just no connection it's just like it's next door or nearby is they are trying to make them I mean in a way it's it's an effort to to shame them because I think the main. Thing. The Daily Mail wants to do or a lot of the British press to do as like Shane them over how much money they spent on this house in America of all places and I think they just want to bring up the house repeatedly. So they can repeat the same information. It doesn't matter what the headline is just as long as we get back to the point that Harry Meghan bought a house in Santa Barbara or whatever. So, don't be rude to this dead person clearly had some issues. That's very rude. Okay. What else is breaking news one? Oh, you know what broke we know broke Lee Machel's water it broke and she gave birth to the baby the baby finally with Zandi right? Are we happy for them I guess of course we're happy for them to new life. Of course, we're happy for them. It's a baby. It's very good good for that. gave she gave birth to Her son Ever Leo. Ever Leo. Ever Like the first name is ever yes. Like ever after there it is there it is like happily ever Leo. I thought you were saying Everley Oh as in the initial. Oh but it's ever Leo and it was a people exclusive. That's my expect it. Okay. That's all we have to say about ever Leo. We can talk about Mossy and Laurie who got sentenced. Friday afternoon after we recorded, you have any regrets in virtual hearing Friday actress, Laurie Laughlin got emotional as a judge sentenced her to two months in prison for her role. In the college admissions scandal they avoided the crush of cameras at court by appearing via zoom amid the pandemic. With actress Lori Lock land in husband, Massimo newly could not steer clear of prison. Judgment Day for actress Lori Lachlan her fashion mogul husband the couple agreeing to plead guilty in that college admissions cheating scandal. Now, there's a tiller in their sentencing fate in just a few hours borlaug is headed to prison the actress was sentenced today down the big question becomes we'll Hollywood welcome back after Laka Michelle Turner has the story Ma smokeout five months in the slammer Laurie. Got Two months in the slammer. We talked about on the Patriot episode about how we expected them to not spend a Lotta time. We already got a call from a lawyer on the Patriot line that was like actually you know I wouldn't be so dead set on that Lake they might that might actually be the amount of time that they serve. I mean we've seen examples of this before we saw felicity. Huffman. We saw we seen other people receive that treatment especially rich people especially white people you know I'm not like I. Mean I'm sure the the lawyer can speak for many cases but I feel like this. That's pretty much what's going to happen here. The judges statements the best part of this, which is the judge said we can only hope you will spend the rest of your charmed life. As you said, you will making amends to the system you've harmed well part of as part of this I think what Laurie wanted to avoid is having to give like a heartfelt apology statement, which I think is probably not quite honest. You know she had to give this whole plea because when you're you know before. You're sentenced. Do you have to like you know say like Oh don't give me too much and say, sorry sorry sorry and I kind of get a sense that even though she's an actress I, you know whatever like she like if they were fighting this for this long, they were wasting so much money legal fees to because they genuinely don't believe they did anything wrong here right? Right. Yeah. I mean I think they get it now on many levels it's like fucked. Up. In general, whatever the whole whole thing. Like jail fucked up in general the prison system is fucked up in general but was there justice story about a black woman who's who like was sentenced to jail time for her kid not doing our homework or something? Yes. Like was it. Ruins sears right? True Lee insane just like such. So truly insane and like you know. The the obviously, like the we're paying attention. This is Laurie Laughlin or whatever but like it just it just crazy to me that this story took. So long to end because they drag it out and it had probably had the streisand effect of working against them meaning giving more attention. You know like, did you see that it just came out that like Libya jade the daughter she probably knew about it like the whole thing was like under the premise that she didn't know what was going on like no, it's like, oh, she and now it's like, oh, she's definitely like seat on half of these emails like with her mother and whoever like talking about the quote unquote plan she. was fully a part of this whole thing when the daughter jade asked whether she should list as her top choices in emails the school Lori Lachlan replied yes. But it might be a flag for the weasel to metal quote. The weasel is in reference to her guidance counselor who Lachlan employer jade not to say too much about application because the counselor was acting like a nosy bastard. So like things like this are still coming out from this case, and maybe if you had an of dragged out, so long could have been a little bit less messy, which is what interests me about it still at this point, right? Not like how many months they got 'cause it's a relevant. And that line I mean to me the way I interpret that line is that Livia one hundred percent parents doing I think. Yeah, the point is Laurie and Masahiro did this because they didn't have faith in their daughter being able to get into a good school on her own merit. So the implication is that Livia jade isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but you gotta be the Dulles Knife on the planet to not understand how you're getting into a good school when you are not the sharp knife in the drawer like well. I just a liar. Yeah. So it's like she must she's savvy. She's a teen. She can tell what's going on like what like it's it's it's like the what is the even the line? It's very hard to to hide stuff from your children there in your house they see what's going on like what? He's not an idiot what's the line? I mean, it just feels very dragged out to me but. We have ending. Yeah we have ending. We haven't ending. They're also paying restitution of some hundred thousand or so dollars each of them separate and then community service and some sort of like probationary thing. Yeah. Like a two year probationary thing. But she's paying one fifty he's playing to fifty. He's doing a lot of community service doing slightly less community service right and you bet I mean she's got that memoir deal like just waiting for her when she when she's ready to have someone else writer for her as my guests. So you know she's Holland. Full House too big house. That's good. That's something from the full House to the big house. Yeah I mean without be the sub that'd be the subtitle like, Oh, it'd be like coming. It'd be like the finding myself for like breaking free or like like ski school school ties or like or like A. Something with like. In mission. Admissions admissions like she's admitting admissions admissions. Oh. Of course, it's called admissions. Oh, my mission. So it'd be admissions from school. What was was it from full House to the big house from full House of the big house and it's a full it's a full memoir and only maybe you know the final few chapters like Olivia turned fifteen there's like the chapter where it turns from like a beautiful, memorial? She. Teen we realized that she was flunking biology. She didn't know what an atom what took. An English and God and then we transitioned into all of this stuff and then it ends with her getting out of prison. Never forget that Olivia was like I WanNa go to college. I'm already have my career and instituting like a she was like I don't need college for this and to be fair you a lot of people don't need college but like it was just funny that I don't Need College I've I have a youtube career you know we'll. That's the true. That's the truest irony of this the fact that like the F- them torpedoing their college admissions scattered like their college admission scheme. May have ruined. The thing that was actually Olivia's passion slash like career opportunity. And if they hadn't done that, she would have been perfectly like she didn't have to go to college at all. For like they, they were trying to get into college for themselves not for herself. She didn't want to go to college. She already had an Amazon brand deal and didn't need to do that. You know not that anyone needed to do anything again, this is already a wealthy family. It's like a live could have been doing like experimental film on Youtube with no spot another house she could've bought another house next to the guy who invented the mechanical reaper like she could about the house next door to the house. She never well. She'll be fine I mean I'm just wondering I do I. Guess this is over the Mosima Laurie story is over I'm yeah. They're going to go to prison. Yeah. We're GONNA get drone shots of them in the cell yard. Jailyard like walking around their minimum security like fantasy but I think the real next chapter or maybe the epilogue is how does the Livia do? What happens with blogging again? Yeah. Because ultimately this was a story about her. More so than it was about Lori and Moscow really was big enough. When. This all happened. People had kind of known who she was as of lager. Not. Okay that's that's really over exaggerating talked about her on the show ain't fair to say, right but she was already getting a modicum of attention as in this realm as as an influence, her outside of her mom's no knowledge of her mom Right I mean I, think. Here's a test. What are. Felicity Huffman Children's names. I've no fucking idea. Exactly, I mean I think that that kind of says something. Back Like, they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA get through this and maybe go through life well, a little more anonymity because their parents like Yep we're sorry we did something wrong somebody to prison. Sorry. Can you remember what Theresa Jude? Isis? Memoir was called the one about prison I read this now. Turning the tables. 'cause she turned to table. Yeah. Of course. Great Name. From housewife to inmate and back again and back again back again. Oh, wait there's one more. Sorry. There's one more little note about this the. A half full house, full House resident, full House, former resident, and. Three named Queen Herself candace Cameron Beret also, people were wanting her to way and I think that's they want them all to weigh in on this I mean I think they're like everyone is desperate for everyone from the full House clan to give a comment on this and they've all been pretty silent about it but candace because she's a you know a Christian think they're like Oh we can get her to make a little judgment little judgment on this. On, her friend Lori or whatever on a TV aunt Laurie and she responded to a comment that I feel like people read this as like support but I kind of read this is like. Like negative I, read it as disappointment. So it's so someone wrote they should have four years each for the college kids that should have gotten of don't agree with that. I don't think like more jail time is the answer for these two. Should they have to pay restitution and set up scholarship for kids who like to get into college? Totally that's maybe a more creative idea for this very rich couple to give back to commune neither stealing their essentially stealing spots from for like kids to get into college or whatever. anyways. The sure response candace. Cameron. Beret. Responded to that woman with a sad face just like a frown and keep in mind the person who wrote the comment was. Just a random pert like a civilian analyst. billion. So canisters in here. So that means cannon here reading all the comments she's reading. What was this under? This was under like some news brief like an US weekly wasn't someone wasn't it wasn't on like lorries it was on it was unannounced websites instagram entertainment tonight's instagram an entertainment tonight since here in which is funny in itself so can is. Hey tonight is in here reading all the comments on the post that they made with this news, and she's choosing to respond to this one with a sad face, which can be read in many ways but I almost. Read as like, I, agree with you and it's sad or like. Like. That's all I read. That's how I read it to it. It's not in support because if she was being like fuck you Lori at at at up like she would have said that or I like I'm just a to me doesn't. Either no this is a very confusing. Response. And the story I think you were thinking of was The woman who was in Ohio and she used she lied about where she lives at that she could get her kids into a better school and right like in Beverly Hills Ninety one. Oh Yeah and she got and she got thirty thousand, a thirty, thousand dollar fine which for a normal person is insane and the re years in prison. That's fucking insane. So I mean. But of course, that's also tales all the time that's happened a million times. So Laurie is in a way getting away with a lot of stuff but. candace came in Beret being publicly disappointed. That's all I'm reading it otherwise she's like. Angry at Julie but I feel like if she were really, she would say like she would do a he who is out send should cast the first stone Julie but I do think that's true. But I kind of think that candace cameron berets like behind the scenes chomping at the bit to be like holier than thou about her friend. I'm disappointed in my Fr-, like you know privately she's like so disappointed in her friend Lori who who gallivant about in her in her when calls the heart Christian show it's not a Christian. We're just let's say it's a Christian show like pre not practicing what she family values show. Never do that. Yeah. No S meanwhile I would pay cash money to see. Jodi Sweden's close friends instagram stories because. Because you know Mary Kay nationally have not mentioned this at all they've done. They don't even know what happened. There are aware when. Did race happen meanwhile, jody out here jody's out here on a group text with five of her closest friends sending out these outrageous little voice notes they communicate invoice notes and Jodi set one that just said why Are you fucking kidding new one month. Always too much time talking about Lori, and Moss. Oh. Let's talk about how James Blunt had scurvy wants, which is not all that interesting. This is one of those stories it's like. It's like when you read it throughout the year every year, there's like some stalwarts like the bubonic plague is back and it's like the bubba played never really left. It just pops up here and there like in some places, it's like, Whoa, not that it's back. It's just that these are. Not The BHUBANESHWAR plague but like scurvy people gets a lot of people still get scurvy. One of the main reasons has just it's just it's not because of like lack of isn't contagious either it's not it's a it's a nutrition deficiency deficiency. These sailors used to get it because they weren't. They didn't have access to fresh fruit and vegetables my group, but I think. scurvy sounds like two people on it would to me. It sounds like it's one of those catchable things from like old times but it's not. It's just a disease that you can get like gout if you like eat too much or too little the point is that James Blunt had scurvy and told a story about getting it in college on a podcast. Jesse. Where's podcast? Had One but good for her and people wrote it up like, James. Bond had has scurvy or or current ones God's Derby and it was like wait he has scurvy now and it's like, no he literally told a story about how he on the on the engineering side there were hundred and seventy men and only three girls and then on the sociology side of things one, hundred, seventy girls, ninety three boys of which all the girls were vegetarians or Vegans, and so out. Of principle I decided I'd become a carnival I just saved on mints. Some chicken. Maybe with the man as a little bit of. And and it took me about eight six to eight weeks to get very very unhealthy Zia doctor who then said I think you've got the symptoms of scurvy. Anyway then he said you'll. See. So then I took it upon myself to just drink orange juice every night, and then I really develop acid reflux. So. He was trying to he was literally trying to impress women. He's your Vegan. I'm only gonNA eat meat and then he gave himself a nutritional like I'm a real man. I'm a real man I don't look at it eat meat and then he got sick and you get like bloody gums and stuff it's disgusting chicken I Made Chicken Salad Chicken. Salad. Like my dream. When away it's my dream. Yeah. I don't know how you live without fiber like even scurvy aside, how are you getting through the day without a healthy dose of fiber in your Diet like come on James Blake. Blind. James Blunt. James Blake someone else but he didn't have scurvy maybe maybe he did. Yeah this is this is your beautiful James Blunt. Not. Jamila Jemil's boyfriend James Blake. That's true. there are there different James's Oh. Do we think about the also think about scurvy is? A lot of those trendy, diets. Call for not eating many fruits and vegetables eating a lot of meat and so a lot of people get scurvy these days. The only reason this is funny is because he did it as a gag and then got spin got the symptoms of scurvy and was like, wow, jokes on me I have scurvy. The other thing that's funny is that we think so little about and of J well, not of James Want we think so. Infrequently. About James. Blunt. That whenever the stories were happening like James Blunt, tell story about having scurvy like all of us were ready to believe that he currently has scurvy or recently add scurvy because. We don't know. So it's like believable headline. That's like James. Blunt has scurvy when really it's misreporting and he had scurvy when he was nineteen years old and I can't name another James. Blunt? Song. Like name your beautiful. That's it. Goodbye My Love A. Goodbye friend. You have been the one. One. Speaking of James's there's James Charles who had a minor feud with Lauren Conrad reading it was sort of funny but when I actually watched the video of him and his stream stories it. I was almost on his team I hate to be on James Charles James Charles is still funny because Lauren Conrad never speaks she's like she famously like doesn't she like flies above the fray and trust me there's plenty of fray around her that like compels her. I. Mean She's got like Spencer Pratt like reaching towards her she's got Kirsten Copper Larry like reaching torture I think she liked. Lauren Conrad could be amongst a lot of fray but somehow and I mean I mean this respectfully, she does her own thing. She has her own brand she like she flies like kind of like above that somehow instill manages to get like the the feedback of being on that show but doesn't have to actually engage with any of the she didn't have to go on the reboot she didn't have to acknowledge it really she didn't have to do it like On Lauren, Conrad Dot Com she's focused on her end like as much as I like clown on Lauren Conrad like I. Feel like she did a good job separating herself from that but still getting the liked draft of like people associated her with it with the Laguna Beach in hill stuff. And so she is launching as part of her new Lauren, Conrad Co, which you know has like close and it has books and it has like homegoods. and. It has like you know here's how to dress like me here's how to decorate like me whatever here's how to do makeup like me. So she released to beauty line because you are not a famous person unless you released beauty line these days and they sent all these PR packages to influencers. I'm assuming James Charles got one and James Charles went on. His instagram and it was written up as James. Charles bashes Lauren Conrad's makeup line on his on his instagram stories. Then he apologizes for it whatever this opened APR package from new makeup brand from somebody who has no business having makeup brand and I just wanted to show you guys some of these products. Okay. This is the liquid highlighter that I just opened up. Notice anything weird about it. There's no highlighter in their north or And it's not even sealed like I actually just received this. Piece. Of Bach and James Charles like famously does stuff like this and then apologize for that. Usually is in the wrong but I do think it really is funny that you sent an on that whoever whoever made this little mess up sent James Charles de make empty makeup because like come on like asking for it. and. He I mean to his credit I hate giving him credit but to his credit, he doesn't name her covers up I wouldn't have even I would have been like you I wonder what Brandon says, but there were really no identifying marks on these pieces of me like eyeliner and something else, and he's like look at this. This is what they sent me this PR company and it's an empty thing of eyeliner. Then it's like look at this and it's an empty of another makeup like it's just like the vessels for the makeup before they've been sent. To fill up it's actually very funny and he's and he's complaining about location says he I mean he adds in his own flavor of insulting which he's like this is a celebrities line stop making lines when it's also review celebrities makeup lines and you make money off of it because you put them on your youtube and you get add money like it's crazy for him to be like, oh, celebrities stop making makeup lines. It's like what are you come on what ecosystem do you think that you currently exists him? But Lauren's explanation is actually extremely funny. So he did this without naming names. Obviously. Shocking. Right. So people put together the put the pieces together pretty quickly and they were like ll clowning Lauren Conrad for sending empty samples to Josh Charles and James Charles and James Charles complained about it. So Lauren went on instagram and wrote out her explanation which. For those asking about the empty components sent to James. Let me tell you a funny story to be fair. It's funny story the woman who put together the gifts it was me decided to fill a makeup bag full of empty samples to make sure everything would fit inside when beauty products arrived and it was time to fill all the makeup bags. She again, me accidentally included the bag full of empties with the others and it was sent out and that's funny. She will be let go immediately She's again talking about herself that's funny and also entirely believable. That knicks perfect. Son and honestly if he had if he had phrased his criticism reviewed differently, it could have been a funny moment between them but instead he tinged it with why does this celebrity have a makeup line Layton? That's the yours liberty with makeup line. But that's like the nastiness that made it kind of like an adverse advert adversary adversary avert adversarial adversarial. Thank you versus being like Cutie. Little Moment James like that. He fumbled the ball on that one and then he apologized to and then they talked on the phone and they kissed and made up and everything is fine right? He said Oh I was upset with other things not her I was upset that day. He's number one. He's absolutely going to review them on his instagram at least maybe you. Can. Be. Like to be working in this like quote, unquote industry and not realize that like this type of thing happens to you as an is an open door to like three easy videos like a just feels like such a mistake to not see this as like Oh what a funny story that now I can make content off of and still get and then get mad and have to apologize twice like get out of here like learn your lesson. Never waste an opportunity to reconcile. Yeah. You can plot out like the the next coming weeks in these to the. Personal relationship. One thing to have a feud which we love a few but we love people making up even more right. So meanwhile, the James Charles like bandwagon grows because he has received a lot of like the bad reputation that he kind of received because of all of this back and forth with Jeffrey Star and Edita. Shane what's his face? Dawson it kind of all revealed itself to be that they were kind of like bullying up on him or ganging up on him again, who knows the truth truth but like that he was kind of at the like they were gunning for him in a way because he was the most quote unquote success lawyers. Bagging up into your body back in your booty per dodig bobbies, there's going to be a new versus battle while I was GonNa, say don't you think Brandy Amman garbled themselves were not really allowed to talk about this I think they are both them. Yeah. They're both times I. Really just wanted an excuse to talk about the cover art because they have. Dueling cover arts but you're right there them. So we'll actually this is a conversation that could be because the Monica Monica Brandy Brandy Monica thing is who them calm controversy it's like is it brandy and Monica Monica and Brandy I in my mind it's brandy and Monica unfortunately because of alphabet but also because of that's like the boy is mine Brandon Monica. I agree and while they're both, them's brandy is them here? On. Also, the thing about that song that it was on both of their albums like it wasn't just on brands and it just on. Monica solemnly, the each had ownership over this song it doesn't help at the song is like a a fight because then it puts them in a fake fight even though they never were fight song renaming. So like then it's all. Relative yeah. Like the narrative is that they're in a fight and also never forget that map book like then when they tried to revitalize it and like have the fake fight again, it was a flop. So then we're still on the first bite. Voice mine although do you think in the versus they'll play that map book? I really I mean I'm GonNa Watch it the weird thing about versus though which is I think. It's an instagram them. I don't know that like people at the public at large knows about versus because it is. So you got to be online to know about it. I think it's them I think it blew up big enough to them. I think this the the what's fun about versus is that it's Truly even though yet it's like, okay, we're GonNa we have our lineup. Here's a calendar of versus battles we're going to have each one is truly unique, which is kind of fun like you kind of they. They adjust sort of the format of everything based on the artists who were performing. So it's like you don't know what to expect like how much they actually GonNa Sing, what are they just going to play like sometimes they just play a song to sing along the song. It's like the did you watch the John, Legend and Alicia keys one they played the piano for a lot of it and they were right next to each other. You know, did you watch the Jill Scott? Day The joke was that they like loved each other too much wasn't averse like they were just like you're amazing. Amazing. Amazing. It's like, yeah. Well, you know like they have love for each other. So people were like. That and now it's funny because it says live from Tyler Perry studios the only place in town that's actually able to film anything. So it's just funny to me that now they're going to another like in the same room select the the vibe is very different and the the idea of it being versus is kind of I think less. So it's more just like let's play our biggest hits and talk about them or whatever. Yeah. You're right. You're right there that me but it is funny. So on brandies Instagram, she has some cover art for some key art for this and promotional art and it's brandy and Monica versus it's her face than Monica's vase. But then Monica's instagram she has her own key art that is Monica. Brandy and it's Monica's Phase I and the brandies face. Yeah, which is funny. It's good to know and released an album. So this is promo a brand new album she's on the cover of people magazine which I laughed at so much because people were saying on twitter. Like It was. This is like proof that you've never read. You don't read people magazine not that it's Brag that that I read people magazine, it's not a brag it's actually embarrassing but the point is, is that in the it had a whole brandy cover story and exclusive brandy cover story right and then the top one of the side stories was like I interview with Joe Biden in Common Larrazabal hair and it was like I. Interview, and somebody put the like if I interview with like the future president and vice president like is not big enough to be the cover story like who are you kidding and I was like Oh honey you've never read people like it's not like it just wouldn't be, and also they clearly didn't get the first exclusive interview. It's just like it is an look I read it and it isn't interview. It's just like I. It's not a fake interview like maybe an US weekly or an in touch would do but it's just like I'm still. It still strange to me I'm like, when was this done? Was this interview conducted before? No No. No, she gets. No. You can cut that. It isn't exclusive interview. It's just like the timing is very strange like I still find it very hard to believe that it was the first one but don't you feel like it's a symptom of not really reading people magazine to be mad about Brandy Brandy, getting the cover key art over or like the cubs story over those to you know it's just it's just the way that magazines work like this brandy brandy cover was planned months ago you know. So imagine if She'd be so mad she'd be. So here you bumped me and also if I know offense like. To. To Joe and Kamla but like if there's a people magazine and it's brandy what really happened me in, it's her face and then there's a people magazine and it's like Kamla and and it's like the first interview I'm buying the Brandy one. Like video, it's all marketing at the end of the day. Right? They know you gotta get brand got to be. Yeah. So I just thought that was funny because I was like, no no no that's not how people magazine works like clearly you've never read people magazine before you know also people magazine is like the biggest hodgepodge of stories in the universe like it'll be randy on one page Kamla Joe in the next and then some like. CH- child with there was there was one story on people recently was like had both of her eyes gouged out. With these like fake is and I was like, okay. Extremely traumatic environment you. You love a true credit, a true story with a happy ending, but it was like the most disgusting possible True Crime Story. Also, Matte Monica has a lot of drama going on two right now this is brandy got the people story. Got The brandies got the album out, and then Monaco's dealing a lot with she's like dealing with the incarceration of SEAMER WHO's like? WHO's master P's brother? WHO's in jail has been in jail for a while and she got Kim Kardashian on board try and get him out of jail which like laugh all you want came crashing is getting people out of jail like she is somehow able to get people out of jail at this point. So Monica and seem murder Ter- our who's master again masterpiece brother. Working together to get this guy out of jail who's Monica's close friend maybe romantic interest. Again, I was reading a lot about unlike couldn't really tell whether they were like together or not. So that's like what Monica up to and you're right them at Tyler Perry studios is a big deal because as we all know as you said. Tyler Perry studios is like the only open place in town where you can shoot stuff and not only should stop but shoot stuff. Quickly and efficiently because as we all know. Not only to Tyler Perry's studios shoot a full season of one of his many many shows during lockdown. He shot it in ten days. He shot a false he shot a full season. Of The show the Oval in ten. Day See the quality of this show that he shot in ten days before we are so amazed by it's. The show is sort of like famously bad I. Think this is this is like the second or third and people really like like it's like it's but it's still a show is. Show it's still a show. You did it. That's skill. Yeah. People are clamoring to get into Tyler Perry studios at this point like lettuce in style you know, but it's a soap opera. So of course, it's like quick to right quick to shoot. That's what soap operas do. Yeah. Today's episode of WHO Weekly's brought to you by the new four part. Showtime Documentary Series Love Fraud Vox says it's like the jinx but better. So if you like true crime listen up for years, Richard Scott Smith, a real life con man has prayed on dozens of unsuspecting women. I E stole their hearts. Then he stole their money leaving them with nothing and ghosting them forever. 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August thirtieth at nine pm only on showtime. Ellen's DJ. We talk about this ellen is of them. This Guy Stephen Twitch boss won't his. twitches and his real name it's his nickname, his his you know. Steven Baras name in prentiss involved. He was the DJ on on Ellen and he's been in the for like six years. He finally started talking about all the allegations about the Ellen and then the allegations about the people who work for L. and and yet again, it's basically a lot of words with that aren't really substantial. He saying a lot of words without releasing anything. We can't speak too much legally about it but I'll say this, there's been love. That's funny thing is that when L. is all this stuff broke everyone was like, well, what about this personnel works with her? What about this person? Everybody who worked with Ellen in some level god-like br like they wanted to talk to them and twitch who's like kind of side Kiki character on the Ellen show and has been for some time was one of those people that people were curious about and the question was would he throw Ellen under the bus or whatever or would he? The answer is no not really. And he'd be and would he be rewarded for that even? Yes is obviously there are some things to address but for my standpoint and from countless others, there's been love I'll just leave it at that until time and we can address more publicly. There's been love and they will continue to be love that's nothing that's not saying anything and then on August, seventeenth which a few days ago. Ellen DeGeneres Twitch Co. executive producer of her daytime talk show which like. which if there is a more direct, thank you for your vague statement like then that's what it is. That's you know she rewarded his loyalty that he a really what it seems like look I. Can Be any more obvious. Could I make it a? He was a boy she was a girl. Can they get. He said there was love and she was on the generous. Could I make it anymore? Obvious that's it. It's just it's funny that keeps going and it. It really does show that like any rumors of this show being canceled are completely unfounded like these people are going to power through this. Until they're back on the air like they will not give up these people will not give up well, then I thought it was funny because then on August twenty second a few days later we have an US weekly exclusive Stephen Twitch boss an allison holker admit quarantine one, hundred percent test in their marriage, which was funny because it's like a new version of the lake broke up got together had got pregnant because of quarantine its the just like the new generation of it, which is just like we want to we we're going to talk real about our relationship and like Goethe and like get press through that in a way. So these two are trying. To promote something and let me review and what the reveal is is what they're trying to promote. So it says keeping it real Stephen Twitch boss and Allison holker admitted that their marriage has one hundred percent been put to the test while in quarantine together quote I think where we really lucked out being together is that we actually like each other as well. Allison thirty two told US weekly exclusively on August eleventh while promoting here we go pampers cruisers three, hundred, sixty fits hashtag hundred, sixty stretch challenge I. Know that you guys are dancing your way through quarantine as well and I know that you've teamed up with Pampers do so tell me all about that. So honestly, everyone that knows knows that dance is a huge part of who we are individually as a couple also of our family. So peppered wanted to do a challenge that really put the divers to the test with a three sixty stretch challenger right which for us made so much sense. So teaming up with them was like really honestly like a no brainer because everyone's going to put the diapers the task is going to be is that's great diaper and but the thing about Ellen and it's one thing. So like Ellen chose good favor by this person who's worked on her staff for a long time. She promotes him to executive producer but I think one of the reason that his his marriage to Allison holker is I think one of the reasons that she's probably being so nice to him not not only be I. Mean He's I'm sure he's good at his job he's a DJ whatever but like this guy gets a ton of US weekly level coverage he's not he is a WHO, so as Allison holker she's a a so you think you didn't condense person that's how she got famous she's at answer was on so you think it answer and their relationship is covered like crazy on US weekly they get. Exclusive wedding photos they talk about their baby plans they to talk to us weekly all the time. That's why they're giving them knicks about their like marriage being tested in quarantine. So like Ellen knows that this guy is of an outward like public facing member of her staff if not the most public facing member of her staff and like. She needs to keep in good favor with him if she's going to keep the show on the audiences, it's like so you think you can dance Alan. We're talking about like we're talking about him making decision Oh. Am I going to put my faith in the fact that GonNa go that the Ellen ship is not going to go fully down or that? Like that'll be worth it for me to stand by her or something. It was probably very easy for him to make the case that like look you give me a good promotion or I quit, and that makes you look bad lower. You know when she was like, okay, I'm giving leaky had so much leverage here. He people really like him they like his wife, right but one thing that I didn't realize it was them because this show religious seems very cursed for many many reasons and I knew it existed but I try not to think about it. They're the host of that fairytale wedding show the Disney fairy tale wedding show. I same audience. Agean getting married at the most magical place on earth these couples are about to do just that. Join our house on Switch Mrs Twitch for you can call me Alison for a Mary poppins returns wedding. That's practically perfect in every way featuring Linneman Maranda hello that show I've never watched that show I cannot bring myself to watch that show. I won't do aside from continuing on their marriage throughout quarantine the couple of teamed up with Pampers cruisers three sixty fit for three hundred stretch challenge. They challenge aims challenging parents to see how the diaper succeeds in keeping up with. Little, ones movement. What does that mean like challenge the parents to like having kids shit and their diapers or something Diapers but also like crawl around and make sure the she doesn't follow of the day with a young. Right. So I guess is more like the diaper stays on when the kid crawls around not like that shit stays in the diaper or whatever. You really are e whatever the person to ask about. Diaper, technology. Tape it up. I'm an architect for Christ sakes. I build fifty story skyscrapers. I assemble cities of the future I certainly together a Goddamn diaper, Lindsey? We have an update. Copy. What will these to do today coffee Docs daily tasks sometimes wearing. B.. O. M. A. N. Z. A. Go and a divorce say they're shoving shirts and sharing laughs those share their photographs, the asa let's update their dossier. Ooh, thank God. They're back I was worried about them honest Armas de de-fund the police updates disappeared from twitter and as it turns out, they disappeared themselves. We thought that they had been disappeared and they came back and they wrote a statement that they were taking a break. I can read it. I can read some of it the past few months have been a whirlwind ever since I applied a tone of constructive criticism to post candid photographs the tone was that so. I can take control of a narrative though it is not mind to begin with and make people know that as an honor to Armas Fan, I was aware that she should not have let herself be portrayed by the Paparazzi an unfavorable light during our current moment in time. Furthermore, this tone was also used to highlight the inaction of platform for social causes at new attention there's never been a more malicious or harmful intent with my account. I was just trying to get my frustration. Out there that my idol could improve or be better public figure I. Love this because I think that like they first of all this account loves onto armistice very clear. It's not just like they're using it to make funny comments like they're actually also posting. If you follow him, it's all that they're also posting updates about her career which I wouldn't have known otherwise. So to say that this, that on arms updates doesn't like on a darkness which I think on Dharma stands. Where saying they did not like this account. They did. They thought it was they thought it was getting a lot of attention and getting a little bit of a big head about it. You know and it's like well, you don't have just because you stance doesn't mean you can. You don't get to see the the flaws they can have flaws you can be critical of them. You can still love them and follow their career you have I if I expected for people you stand sometimes. Yes yes and I love the last lineup way. Did you read the lead in the line of the of the thing which was read it? The mission of this account is a not to tear her down but to celebrate and respect Golden Globe nominee and movie star on the army's from now on only should uphold I mean I got a brief with when I tweeted my Being upset about on Dharma's on a different police arms updates disappearing I got a brief whiff of the Phantom not being gay gay. We took them down we we've got rid of them or whatever, and it's like that stand behavior is the blind. I think that blind admiration and just like visceral kind of get them get them get them. That's the issue withstand culture. There's no thoughtfulness behind it. You know. People flocked to this account and thought it was fun because they put a twist on it. They put their brain behind it a little bit not just like kind of an aimless pounding of the Stan, the the their favorite, their favorite, their favorite like that's why people like them so much. You know this next story is actually also pretty. Not Funny, but interesting thing about the the photo agency captions Oh. Yeah. Well, this was confusing this was making all of the the gossip blogs really confused because the photo the photos were them like holding boxes and moving stuff. So which could have been interpreted suitcases which could have been interpreted interpreted in any number of ways to like, oh, they're going on a weekend vacation or they're doing like X. thing going to a hotel who knows but the photo captions from Back Grid I think they're from backward specifically said that. They were moving in together that this was the ben is helping on up, get her stop because she's moving in with him. That's what the caption said in the official photo stuff. So this confused blogs like celebrity and like Vanity Fair who writes knows they don't know maybe they you the day fully asked what is so that you could get like the captions for the the thing. Over moving in together well, I don't I don't know what happened but the point is like it feels weird that they would editorialize in the caption if they didn't have some sort of information and so that's what the blogs are sort of confused by because it's more information than normal but remember this is what happened with the Taylor swift thing whenever they I don't remember where they fought Taylor. The. Suitcase she was listed in the photo caption. So it was like it was like e could be nothing. You could just mean we're tagging this Taylor swift because it's associated with Taylor swift because we're going to. This box, and when we when you look up Taylor Swift, we want you to be able to find this photo. That's a little different than this, which literally the caption reads. Ben Affleck. Helps Onto Armas pick up the last of our things as she moves from Venice beach into his La that's very explicit as to what's happening when that has not been confirmed where the moving trucks where they get the information like I thought she was looking for they were doing weren't they looking at real estate for her separately or something that was written about or whatever? Yeah. Right. But like I'm looking at the Taylor swift photos and it was splash splash was another photo provider but they were like Taylor is Taylor swift transported a huge suitcase from her tribeca apartment and that was them editorializing in the photo caption, which is rare for them but they were putting the pieces together. They were like they keep seeing security around these things. It stands to reason that Taylor swift isn't cypress box it does not stand to reason that Taylor was inside that SUV gays in an amazing story shoes inside. That's there's no way. Taylor. Swift was not not suitcase she was in the suitcase. There's no reason why she would need to be in the suitcase to go into her apartment I i. think that the reason for Taylor swift to be in the suitcase is either that she was like feeling extremely vulnerable sawtooth lectures vulnerable and she didn't WanNa be around the Paparazzi she really needed a. One hundred percent effective way to not be photograph which is to be put inside the suitcase or Taylor Swift as famous people can sometimes be they have their like very strange day. Don't get to experience joy and the normal ways and I bet she was like this could be funny like just to like feel something different and fun like famous people are Weird. So. She was like you know it would be fun is if you put me in a suitcase on to the thing like let's see if we get written about, let's see if we control them like that makes sense to me in a way but I do believe she was in the suitcase. Okay. But do you believe Dharma's and Ben Affleck are moving in other? No. I read through all the I read through all the tabloids. And there's. It's a little boring but that banana story was in there twice two of the tabloids had a banana banana wives. Ben and Matt Wife. Wives are feuding story three of the four again. Okay. In style star and US. Three of the four had this story which I'm obsessed with, which is that Cameron Diaz has purging of her famous friends so. The re tablets had the story and I'm going to read the. I believe this is okay as version of events in a recent interview cameras, he has confessed that she felt at peace with her decision to ditch the Hollywood scene in favor mother. That's the group interview be played at contact and video up. So that's how all of these tablets stories work, right they take a nugget of truth from. Li like widely circulated story and then extrapolate a lot of lies from it and so which mean because I if any of these people thought this was true they'd be so sad I know. So. They took that goop interview and they said they, they heard stories from sources on the sources say quote cameras very choosy and she can't be bothered with people. She sees a superficial she's done playing that game and she doesn't care who's offended explains the source of why she cut ties with Demi Moore and Sandra bullock quote if they don't get where she my colleagues by the way were ince Demi Moore and Sandra bullock if they don't get, she's at in life they're out on the other hand the Charlie's Angels Star forty-seven remained tight with more back actresses like Drew Barrymore into the Paltrow who she just did the interview with. Quote those two both encouraged her to have kids even though she was willing to forties notes source. She doesn't know what the implication I'm sorry but like I don't know them but the implication that Sandra bullock also adopted kids or later in life would not encourage cameron. Diaz to have kids later in life is crazy to me so stupid because if they were friends at all, which there's no evidence that they actually step kept in touch or stay friends or whatever what movie, Sandra Bullock Cameron Diaz and together I don't even know aren't even. Know Name One book and Cameras Yeah, they're saying that their former colleagues. So what movie were they together, whatever we actually a heaven I'm sorry is this is the is like the all work in an office building called Hollywood like that why they're calling them colleagues like I'm assuming that they implying that they were in a movie together or something I don't think they've ever been in a movie together why she cut ties. So you're so they're saying former colleague, Santander, bullock like they all they work in office building called Hollywood you know like. Kobe called ladies and Hollywood. So if so. But from what we know about debasement of Hollywood, there's no way that she would cut that. She would not encourage cameron to to do that and also Demi Moore who also took a break from Hollywood. Significant break and then greenback about it would also encourage Cameron Diaz to take a break from Hollywood or step away completely. This is only everything you've found to complain about in this little blurb is bully spot on but. I have some major problems with calling Gwyneth paltrow a laid back actress. Okay. First of all, that's just laid back actresses like Drew Barrymore Gwyneth Paltrow I'm sorry to call Gwyneth paltrow more laid back than Sandra bullock. It just feels like the biggest live of Demi Moore I also would argue that Drew Barrymore is not laid back either from recent. Yeah. I guess that's true. We I'm sorry in this version of Cameron Diaz ditching her friends she's ditch Demi and Chelsea Handler in this version and Leslie Mann and Leslie. She ditched Jennifer Aniston Leslie Mann Chelsea Handler Demi Moore even Sandra bogus feeling the chill. I'm sorry what is this be? The expansion of the names on this list is really funny. These are her friend as if these were her friends and wants to get it says her only friends are not only friends but the friends at calls out our Gwyneth paltrow and Drew Barrymore. That's you know that's A. I mean everyone knows that her drew Mirror Juburi bff I'm just saying there's so many interesting stories going on like also with meg and like Tori lanes and all this stuff and we have a fake Taylor Swift Joe elwyn story like these back like all the tabloids it's like all white people old stories you know it's like old stories do like one google. We always say about ourselves but like do a little bit of work there are there are compelling and interesting stories with real information that are not even making the cover of these tablets know like honestly like say that Brandy and Monica are fighting again come on like I know they're not but you're lying anyway. Relying anyway like I just I. Yes. I understand why the Brad Angelina Jolie story is on US I understand why that's something that we're talking about understand miley cyrus because she just broke up and she's has a song out on in touch but I truly truly don't understand the Taylor Swift Joe Allen Fan fiction of life and style and I don't understand the saving. Our family on star, the chip and Joanna plotline on star terrible and then the last one was Mindy Irwin fake. Okay. Magazine twins light herbal terrible one is less interesting than Joe Allen knowable and yet somehow he gets on the cover all the time but back to cameras for just a second because I have a quick game for you quick bill game because if you. We were talking about the fact that candy is becomes best friends with everyone she co-stars and movies with as the tablets are trying to tell us this week, which is a strange. Piece of uniformity. But I made a quick game about like People Cameron Diaz has been in movies with it's mostly just to explore some lesser seen Cameron Diaz vehicles from early in her career because I didn't know about a lot of them, I didn't know the details about a lot of them. It's again about her many co-star slash best friends I'm going to read about who we are like low tear them movie cameron has starred in and ask which actor in a list of actors she did not become best friends with. The game called it's like Cameron Diaz has best. In, one thousand nine hundred cameras followed up her first movie The mask with movie called the Last Supper. which is about quote five liberal graduate school students who invite a string of extreme conservatives to dinner in order to Mirko. Oh. Have you heard of this? You know barrier. Which of these actors is not in the last supper a WHO is cameron? Who is not Cameron Diaz, his best friend. Sandra Oh. Courtney Vance Bill Paxton or Jason Alexander Bill Paxton's not in it. Wrong Sandra. Oh is not bill paxon is in it I was so close. In in one thousand, nine, hundred six is feeling Minnesota. Cameron Diaz plays a woman who's in love with a man named Jack. Spelled with two JAY'S JJ Played by Keanu Reeves Oh co worker and invest, he's in love with him even though she happens to be married to his brother who was more or less like an evil guy I haven't seen it. I HAD TO BASE IT OFF synopsis which of these actors is not in Feeling Minnesota, Aka. who was not Cameron Diaz as best. Friend. Vincent offer. You delroy Lindo Courtney love or Vince. Vaughn nineteen ninety-six the first one no no I'm sorry Vince Vaughn is not Cameron Diaz as best friend the rest are Courtney love is in the movie with cameras. Yes. Our best friend again she's broke. She's cut all ties with Courtney love ever since you know courtney definitely starting wine corny deadly didn't approve of whatever nonsense. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven, Cameron Diaz start in a life less ordinary, which was Danny. Boyle's highly anticipated. Follow up to trainspotting that was sort of a flop. She played a woman named Selena Ville whom angels from heaven want to set up with you and McGregor because God thinks too many people are getting divorced and no I'm not making that up. That's what the movie is about. Who is not her best friend Dan Dan had dia. Michael. K Williams Timothy Oliphant or Delroy. Lindo. Michael Calcium's not in this me Williams is not her best friend. Oh. My God Delroy Lindo was just into movies like back. Door Linda used to be and everything also in nineteen eighty-six busier for Kennedy as she started, and she's the one a dumb Rome come with a great original by Tom. Petty written and directed by Ed Burns who also stars as a taxi drivers talking about movies aren't that quote? Feel like Ed? Burns. Because I watched prime and I was like this movie feels like Ed Burns he's not in it nor design they do with it but it feels very Ed Burns e. Mails the same about what's his name Bryan Greenberg just like Yes yes but the movie feels very like streets of new. York. It's like my rich Catholic I'm working class guy like I'm just trying to fall in love with a nice lady a parents. Burns sidewalk yelling up to a Brownstone is like half of the movies that came out that year like. Okay, she's the one. God like Ed Burns like peak I'm a really good-looking guy from a middle class white family like why is it my life better? Okay. She's the one. Yes. Okay. Who is not her best friend and she's the one Amanda Peet Leslie Mann Gretchen Mole or Jennifer Aniston? Jennifer. Anson is in that movie I remember. Amanda Pete. I'm sorry you were right. Gretchen wasn't every movie that that time period but not in she's the one Okay. Great Trick Great, Trick Cameron Diaz has a small role as quote under Roddick Gold digger and the eighty seven thriller keys to Tulsa Oh my God what are these line? Quit Hollywood. Please listen to this line from the Synopsis Okay I'm quoting now Richter is from a privileged background and Tulsa Oklahoma and works as a movie review or at a local newspaper only because his sour widowed mother. Cynthia. Pulled strings from the land of job. He is dissatisfied with the direction that his life has taken. He is about to be fired any day from his job because he can't meet deadlines he lives in a dilapidated farmhouse he uses and sells drugs behind the scenes for extra cash and so irresponsible with his life and finances in which he has got so far behind his bills then. He has just been cut up which ruins a blind date he has in the opening scene but the neurotic gold digger named trudy cheese trudy. Yes. Who is not her best friend in this movie keys to Tulsa Eric Stoltz Mary Tyler Moore, Deborah Cara anger, or Samantha Mathis. Samantha Mathis you're right. She's not our best friend. Yes. The other people are in it. Okay. In Two Thousand Cameron Diaz was part of the huge Samba cast of things you can tell just by looking at her which was a movie about the varied lives and struggles of women written directed by a man she played. Lovely Blind woman with an active social life who was not a lovely blind woman with an active social life who was not her best friend and things you can tell just by looking at her Glenn Close Salma Hayek Calista Flockhart or Holly. Hunter. Who is the last one Salma Hayek. Not In it is not an ear, right? Okay. Did you know that Cameron Diaz starting to two thousand one drama called the invisible circus? No. Did you know that it's based on Jennifer Egan novel now? Did. You know that it made seventy seven thousand dollars at the box. No it did. It did seventy seven thousand dollars. who wasn't her best friend Blythe Danner Jordana Brewster Robin Tunney on Camilla Belle what year was this. Two thousand one. Camilla Belle. No. I'm sorry. She was her best friend. She played young Jordana Brewster? Robin Tunney is not in this movie Robin Tunney, is on his movie. Okay. In two thousand, nine, Cameron Diaz starred in an adaptation of Jodi colts my sister's keeper which was actually a pretty huge it was directed by one of the casts of Kids Nick Cameron won the two thousand nine. American Latino Media Arts Award. Motion Picture and good for her. But who is not her best friend in? Alec Baldwin Joan Cusak, Abigail Breslin or Dakota Fanning Breslin. is in an isn't it Dakota fanning? Not Her best friend here's the fun fact this is ending with a bang. This is from the wikipedia upon the original creation of the film adaptation sisters to Coda and L. Fanning were cast, placate, and Anna respectively however when Dakota To Shave her head for the role she dropped out of the film and then did, and as did L. The two sisters replaced with Abigail Breslin and Fitz Gerald who was like I'll show you I president and Sophia Vessel Diva. I read the President was fine shaping your head. Wow that's how much the fannings had faith. They'd make it was they didn't want to shave their head for this role I love the sister solidarity there to anyway that's dumb game. It's just like cameras has been a lot of movies that I have not I understand how many friends she has and caught and former colleagues, and also why she quit Hollywood because it's just too many movies too many mobile. Now we can pull now we can do reader. Was She wearing? where she seen, she posted why Onondaga Graham, she's the A who clean ten. Photo. To. As. What's Rita Ora up to? Who is this woman? eiger print Thong Bikini Sharks with friends aboard luxury yacht during a seventeen thousand pound night Corfu holiday. That's one thing she did rita got the weird thing that really gets which is she got press for the thing that she was doing, which means she got for free in my guests like what do you mean? We got a Daily Mail article that's just inside Rita Ora seventeen, thousand, pound a night. Like Villa in Oh. Yeah, which means to me it has its own seventy, eight foot private yacht which means to me that Rita gotta for free because like then they were able to sell this story. Hey, like promote this and then you can mention Rita after it, which makes sense to me. So but that's how you talent like Rita wars not paying seventeen thousand pounds of night for this villa and yacht remember when the slippers would bring that sort of like. Like verb or whatever, and they're all saying advancing houses and talking about it on Instagram it was. So. Yeah. This one is just clearly she got to stay here and she thinks she's still there or something, and that's and that's yeah and that's the press that she she got for them. The funniest thing readers up to this week is the photo that Vera or a posted of read like dancing on a yacht, and it says and Vera captioned at me after covert is over hope for the future and it's like not to be rude but that's Rita during the cold Turkey Govan. Vera your daughter is just has never stopped being like this Yes. Like realize how. That veras like Oh me after it's like, no, that's actually read a during. You know like it's not like a from before picture. It's a from currently picture. So, maybe go talk to your daughter and be like not now you know. Now. It's. It's really her during it's been her the whole time actually her during. Yeah. She got new nails and she's been listening to Christina Milian which I wanted it was cute that she was a to Christina Milian not new nails but I can relate on the Christina Milian I have not forgotten the song am two PMS. Rita says never forget I haven't forgotten. So is that all she's up to this week. 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Exploring Akashic Records with Jennifer Longmore

Inspiration and Spiritual Awakening from Live. Love. Engage. with Gloria Grace Rand

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Exploring Akashic Records with Jennifer Longmore

"Welcome to live love engage. The podcast where we share practical advice from a spiritual perspective on how to create a life and business with more impact, influence and income. I'm your host Gloria Grace Rand, the inciteful copywriter and founder of the love method. My mission is to help stop doubting yourself. So you can live fully love deeply and engage authentically. Nama stay and welcome to live love engaged I am Gloria. Grace. Rand and today I am delighted to have a guest on the program who is a mill leading authority on sole purpose. So we're going to be talking all about how to align with your sole purpose tools that you can use to do that, and so you're gonNA. Want you pay attention to this one? my guest today is Jennifer. Long more and she is also an elite business coach to enlightened entrepreneurs. She is a sought after media personality three-time bestselling author podcast her with not one but two podcasts she just told me bound. Launched which is amazing and she is world renowned for her. Late clarity and seeing into the depths of your soul and bridging your connection to universal consciousness, and she's been doing this type of work for fifteen years really helping clients to shift their limiting beliefs and patterns that prevent them from being who they truly are. So they can live their most abundant aligned and accelerated soul's journey and She's worked with a lot of F actors, well-known actors, professional athletes, CEO's and continues to offer high level sessions to folks who are really committed to shining their light, and which is what I am all about. So I am delighted to welcome you to live love engaged unfor- thanks for being here. ANC You for having me. We're GONNA have some interesting conversations. I'm sure absolutely absolutely, and you know we're recording this in. Gosh, it's the end of July already. Well yeah, it is. It is the end. Magilla today's the twenty third and twenty twenty has been an interesting year I know people I've I've. Listened to some other thought leaders you know. have. Talked about this is really a a year for clarity and and we your the expression twenty twenty hindsight is always clear while we're in the middle of trying to figure out what the heck is all this. Pandemic means and there's been a lot of stress and and that so. What what advice would you give to people to be able to help them to sort of? Get through all of what's going on and still be able to. Live and live a good healthy life and male healthy and even not only in physical body but in their mind and soul. That's the big question in such an important question I think it really starts with. Taking care of our third is. My guides have been very clear that we need to take care of our third I and our energy body right now. Because, our third I needs to be as clean and and clear as possible because we want to be really aware of our purpose, our your survey aware of what's going on. And the other thing I've I've started to realize is that were really mastering the art of living in the moment. We thought we knew living in the moment. Wise. Prior to all of this. Now, we really get it and so. What I've gone through a lot of entrepreneurs and gone through is this weird feeling of I've got help more people I've got to get out there. But how do I plan when this seems to be a very steadily moving train and how do I plan for the future when I don't know what travel is GonNa look like when I don't know you know when speaking gigs will become a fait again all the different things. and. And so. What I'm what I'm really coach and you belong right now is understanding that our business is actually our best investment and this even confirmed by my financial adviser. So I meet with him once a week and we do different things. and. He sat in the stock market is very I'll just say it's very interesting right now. So we've been trying to decide what to do with. Money and what not to do with money and every week you kinda changes. One Minute I'm being told to have all kinds of cash the next minute I'm told to go buy the stock the stock market. Sorry to say, very rigged with AI and it's rigged in favor of some pretty big businesses and I think we've seen one of the biggest stock market heists that we ever could have imagined. So that's a whole other conversation but he said you know rather than investing in other people's business right now trying to increase your return on investment people really need investing in their own businesses and so that's what I've done I. Would have been easy to contract and say I shouldn't spend money right now I should do this. I should you know reduce the hours of my team members I do whatever instead I've? Asked my my PR team to double the PODCAST that I get on I have increase, my adspend for facebook ads. I have gotten too big projects that I wanted to launch like my quiz that was just always this thing that would dangle and tell you know it made sense to do it. Her redo covers on my books. Know, all kinds of things and a lot actually feels good because we don't know what's GonNa? Happen. But we do know that we really need to take responsibility of building our own economy in way that allows us to have true financial freedom. Yeah absolutely. I totally agree with that because. When All we really can count on his right now, what's going on right now and in our world in our own personal world even for that matter. So to be able to invest in your business makes perfect sense and not to mention at I mean even history has shown that like in another financial crises, for instance, in the great, depression that was like when some of the biggest businesses perform because. Whatever reason they they invested in themselves and they stayed the course and so I like that home when one thing you mentioned that I wanted to get act. Right, at the beginning, you said about opening your third eye and for maybe people who aren't familiar with that are me might be going what I'm hoping the people who are listening to this podcast I would've been more aware but but just in case. Would you go about doing? It may explain what it, what is heard I mean how do you? How do you Cuba would for a stop to believe they have one and the second thing is they would need to see it as a valuable tool to use. Right. So let's assume that those two things are at play men and there's a lot of things we can do to calcified are perennial gland which we need to be doing because we need to have clarity we really need to have clarity you know to your point around businesses being created during these times I agree, and we also WanNa look at who are the people that created those businesses because. What we've been told success looks like is different than what success success actually is in the things that big it up to behind the scenes and the liberties they take with our liberties to create those businesses right so When. We look at a business like twitter, we look into business facebook. We know that they're up to a bunch of shady stack. So when we Because I did it too. When we say that these these businesses look at them they were born during these hard times while they were born because heterogeneous at play that were not available to the common person. So, Women Keep Arthur clearer than we look at okay. How how do I D- calcified my glands so that I can see what's going on and make really informed decisions, but I see going on. So that means taking fluoride out of our toothpaste law fluoride is a great. Calcified or of the pineal gland and it creates a lot of issues. A lot of studies have shown dimension similar types of things are created. In fact, a lot of our health as user created because our premier gland than creates ripple effect in other parts of the body. So making sure that we have water filters that take fluoride out of the water that they put in the water. and I take things like I dine. For that clear silver. I'm trying to think of what else I take. and then. You know anywhere that we can avoid the our body needing to heal unnecessarily by boosting immune system. Allows that energy reserve that would be spending house defying are glad to just give us vitality right So. anyways, with our third I want to do that I definitely recommend people listen to their new. There's a lot of pre sales on Youtube for example, frequency based music that if we were headsets called beats and they can send basically waves between China's fear you awaken you know even for me and I've been doing this for a long time is still listen to that staff because I I've also come to the awareness that I know nothing about anything. Right yeah. Our. Miniscule amount of what we know and with age I guess with wisdom. We realized that in so. The reason why I like to keep my third I clear for business is because I want to stay in tune with conscious of my business. I believe everything has consciousness and so when I'm having a conversation essentially, not literally having a conversation with my business but I am. Tuning into it and asking what it, how it wants to serve woods, the business model it wants to hold. How we pricing bangs you know there's a lot of things that we can. Use. An. It makes life a lot easier. We can think it's harder, but it's actually easier when we just let our our gut, our intuition or third I whenever we want to call it, make the majority of the decisions. The key is to learn how to trust that and not be curious we'll get ahead. Oh, don't drive you know take don't take main street. I. Don't know why I'm getting as intuitive hit to not take main street and we go with. So we stubbornness for like while I'm curious I WANNA know why my gut said not on Main Street and then we get like oh eight hour traffic jam I'm eating and you know. I M. Not where I am curious George and I will. How WanNa know why my intuition is telling me not to do something I think that's just kind of in our nature. So it's not about being perfect, but it's about understanding can actually be very profitable tool. Absolutely yeah. So many times in the past I would do exactly that just it would be like. You know my intuition say you know go this way I wouldn't and I and then I regret it always. So I have now gotten better at for the most part hanging attention to that and and and heating it because things usually do work out much better when I do that. It's funny how that how it works. You know it's just it's It's our our higher power is really looking out for soup. We just listened to it and it just requires letting go of that stubborn ego part of ourselves. Yeah Mine. Thing I wanted to ask you about is something that I know that you are very involved in something that I know a little bit about. which is something called the koschick records and when I wonder if you could explain a little bit about what those are and why you believe that they are. Like the only transformational tool someone needs to be able to bring the life you've wanted. The. Cash records hold information about our cells all the thoughts we've held all the deeds we've engaged in not just from this lifetime but promoters bases times. and. Then when we decided that, we want to come to the planet we meet with our guides in our cash records and look at everything what have I learned what of I master? What is my soul still WANNA learn what is want to contribute? What is the planet really need during this time I think any of us that are. Are connected virtually and I'm guessing everyone listening is we all have this awareness even though we're kind of. I. Guess a Little Bit Right now. with what's going on in the world. We also have an acute awareness that we chose to be here right now there is a reason why we're here during this great thing, and in the great awakening, there's a great unveiling. And that's actually what we're experiencing right now is seeing all of the illusions we bought into. And all of the corruption we played into unknowingly rights. Nobody's fault. Just we we were hypnotized into not looking at the things we needed to look at. And so the great thing about the cash records is that it's all just truth in love our guides store this energetic document for us. They access information for us with our consent to let us know what is our purpose in this lifetime? Why did I choose the parents? I did why did I choose the skin color than I? Did why did I choose to live in the area that I did how is all of this shaping me to learn what I came here to learn and to contribute what I came here to contribute And because it's just love and truth. It really holds a version of true. So anything that is an illusion will be busted. So it's particularly helpful right now because there's a lot of information out there were in a massive heightened information war that we've been in for many many years that we didn't even know we were an which is inflaming identity politics. We're seeing what's happening with that. But even just all kinds of staff and so I can go into my records in say this article that I read is it true? and. They'll show me what parts of it's true and what parts of it are not. So it actually saves me a lot of unnecessary emotional response. Mechanisms, you know what I mean like I'm not getting puppet at my my emotions are not getting Popovich to the degree that they could. I can make or clear decisions I can make decisions for my family. And I can decide what my role is during this. So it would be easy for me. I have a big justice archetype and I did that for many many years. And I'm a big light warrior at we were told this was the year of the light worker, the beginning of the year and I don't think we really knew what that meant, and now were very clear what that means. So I decided my role is okay. Great. You're awake now what? You're awake to what's really going on in the world. How can I support you in still being able to hold space for you hold space for your your community run Your Business, create your own financial sovereignty without getting sucked into the play within the play kind of power feeling right now. So let's just me but everyone has their own role. So. It's great for the categories are great for giving us to buy now. That we're not wasting energy on things that are not in alignment with what we're here to do. Then on top of that, it's very healing to hear the truth. And Additionally, guides can do healing on us. So we have a recurring health issue for example, that's eroding our vitality. They can let us know Oh yeah. Back in eighteen, twenty two, you had scurvy and you died from it. That's what you know what a making that up. But also because of the vibration at all, just a great tool for manifesting. So that's why I say it's really the only tool we need because we get guidance, we get healing and we get manifestation our all in one session. If we choose, it breaks and everything evolves free will. And and like I said, it's a great allusion buster so. Most times we welcome that there's times where we kind of want to hear what we want to hear. Sessions. They'd wanted I met someone out of Bar last night they my soul mate and. We have to ask that question. And additionally. The answer to that because you know there's certain questions I've learned that people. People think they want to know the truth about but when it comes right down to it, they just it myself included right? Like there's just some things. We think we WANNA know until we hear a number like. I. have. Known that yeah, yeah absolutely. Is are the Akasha record something that you you can find out I mean on your own or is it something that you? It is good to go to someone like you you know somebody who I guess specializes in it or something and have them help me out uncovering I guess. Yeah it you know I don't do readings anymore except within longstanding business containers. Kes-. I've just done it for so long that I. I I don't need to do them for the sake of doing them. If that makes any sense, I have a lot of people in my website that have been trained. So I do have a training system. I do think it's helpful like I've a free gift on my website which gives people the process of how the how to. Tap into records. The. What will happen is People that we've been taught to question ourselves. We've been you know when we know things you think of all the time we've quote unquote known thing we've told our teacher we told our parents and they say, well, how do you know that? Prove it where's your evidence, right? L.. We start to develop. The just this unconscious response that in the last weekend really explain something with logic. That we we don't know what we're if what we're hearing is true and so people that have been subjected tonight I was one of those folks it becomes. It's a weird dance to know things but also to feel like you have to justify. Additionally, some people were made to feel like they were going crazy because they were hearing things or seeing things that other people weren't. So they don't WanNa tap into a tool that essentially is going to put them at risk of being called. And being ostracized and so on. So th reason I share that is because yes, I do believe. People really feel call to them in the records really just call people. We just know even if we don't know what it is. As soon as we hear, the words were like, Oh, I need to learn that right now I need to access that. That's more of what crazy people to pay attention to, and then if you step into his list of Mike, like mine I go over will what's the nature of the over soul? How is your oversold guiding this aspect of their soul of its his body right now, how do we identify your searchable language so that when you guides are talking to you you understand. you know how to access that but also you understand what your your road roadblocks would be. So if you're clear audience and you're hearing voices. By it. You. Start to learn I practicing that all. I'm not crazy I'm not hearing crazy people in my head. These are actually my guides. You know that kind of thing. So I think it's great to be in a supportive container, but anyone can access them. It's a matter of do I believe that I? There's also some teachings out there that say there's just a few chosen people have been chosen by I don't know who? and Ordain Dane them like wave a wand over them tell them that they're Allah fide. That is not true. Obviously we. In, each of us wouldn't be given in a Catholic record if we weren't able to access right. So So I also urge people it doesn't have to be with me. I would just encourage people be mindful in tune into their body and pay attention to feel tied in my body or does this feel you know kind of free flowing in my body when I read this information and that's a pretty good indication that no, we're we're leaning into the truth or leaning away from the truth. Awesome I appreciate that. So that helps me a lot and so maybe I'll do go to your website myself because I I keep coming across it and I've found that when something like this comes across my awareness, it's it's for a reason and medicine. Are Checking it out because if I ignore it than it just I tend to get hit on the head with a two by four not necessarily. But. In a way it's like, Hey, attention. So. I will pay attention to it I read in preparing for the interview that you are getting ready or maybe you have already released a new book called money made easy. So is that all? Yes. So I do have money but Kalkylia money sorry and. And we were it's interesting because just before lockdown at. We were working on a TV show and working on the book, and then we just ause on it for right now because op first of all, I can't travel right and secondly you know my relationship with the media and my relationship with big business in general has changed with Mrs that have come into my field. So I have to be really mindful though who I'm going to align my energy with. But that being said, yeah I do have a book on Healing Your Money Story and that was born out of the cash market's actually. So I started seeing all these patterns for folks especially healers. were very good at sabotaging or money. They were very good at it. Deciding that we're not spiritual if we have money. Or you know somehow deciding that. If we have it were less than if we have it were more whatever and. And so there's a live reasons why we block on me. So I decided to download all those reasons and help people understand what are the patterns patterns you fall in. But then how do we? How do we get to the understanding of what the actual fear is underneath the pattern, the patterns just a byproduct of the fear. Is once we deal with the root causes of anything then we can move forward but with money, it's interesting because I've come to learn. And through honoring my intuition, not money our relationship with money is just a journey, right? Like we all have a money story. So it's not a matter of whether we have one. It's a matter of how healthy it is. So our goal is to just keep expanding our conscious around money with it's simply being an extension of universe right and how do we do that especially for business owners? We know we know we have to get our money house in order because all we do is talk about money all day everyday chase people for MS payments. We asked people to invest this amount. We have to decide what were pricing things. We pay vendors, we collect from vendors we like everything on some level involves money conversation. And in. So it's pretty cool that not only is business a great healer, a great teach Durban than money, which is naturally tied in with that as well. So if you want to accelerate your stuff if you want to accelerate your growth Start a business as this yup. GotTa deal with the Money Oh. Yes I have I have learned this so much. It's been a painful lesson of because I've been in business for over ten years and has not been an easy road because of all of the limiting beliefs and things that I've had and I have a cat yelling. Beside me. But yeah but yeah, money has it's definitely an issue for me at one that I've finally have working on because I have been dealing with Number one figuring out with those were what what my own money locks were and and being able to now shift I. Shift my thoughts and beliefs around that and and really honoring that I do have value for one thing and so and what I? What the work that I do has value and people do appreciate it. So there's no reason why I can't ask to be paid for that because we pay other people for services and our lives you know doctors lawyers would have you so. If you're going to be in business you. GotTa. Get over that and be able to value who you are in which you offer and and yeah, and then prices accordingly. Any it last Advice would you have for entrepreneurs and maybe even I don't have not necessarily regarding what's going on right now but maybe let's say, well, let's waiver magic wand and that. Were were passed this and were no lockdowns are over and and hopefully they invested in their businesses and prepare themselves what what else? Can A. Business owner do to. Be Successful. Most. Put it at that moment on what else should they be thinking about or dual? I know it's a big question now of stuff in question if you had to pick one or a great question though I, you know I like to look at the I like to start at the Meta level and then work down in any answer again. So on a mental level I would say it's always important to get your on our values, our personal values, and then how is our business and extension of that now because our business needs to be an extension of us at actually shouldn't be. But the values that are important to us should be reflected in the company culture. So for me. Freedom is a big value. Mine is huge and so. I really stand for sovereignty body autonomy, financial freedom, all kinds of things, and so when I speak to that when I do podcasts on that when I make offers. And design programs. It's all in relation to a then I. can with myself one of the values I've just recently discovered. I mean I know it's there but I didn't realize how important it was to me into all of this went down is justice. and. and. So that's the one area that I wasn't really. Infusing into my business much as I could I like I didn't donate a lot of money to different causes. And the and they definitely have a justice five. But if I'm for sovereignty, all people than where do some of my business policies and where it is some of my donations to go manner truly reflective of that as a core core value. So that's something that's happened for me I, do feel like we have to hire for our future everything that we do the ideal client we want to call in programs we design the headshots get done the website redesign. Anything we do for our business always needs to be laplace of where my two years from now because the by the time that stuff gets done. It allows us to step into that container quicker but also it allows us to not outgrow that I think most times when people get a new website done like this already feels boring or they get their headshots. Michael. I already feel like I've outgrown that. Whatever? Same with our team, we tend to hire for skill. We don't tend to hire for who can grow Whitney May, and so we can have a lot of turnover especially in the online world with on virtual assistance and so on. And then without a mind because we're GONNA change constantly in our ideal clients are GonNa Change. Constantly, we always want to be in tune with what is the business to let go of because we can't. It we can. But it it's more challenging to let things in. We're still holding onto stuff that isn't working anymore and I talk with people a lot about that right now because we are grieving are old salts in a Lotta ways and there are some pieces of our business in some pieces of the type of client to just over the way in which we serve them ms just no longer resonating in. So we need to give ourselves permission to have ceremonies like every quarter right in half like a thank you for being here. I'm now going to retire this part of my my belief or whatever. And of course, it goes without saying mindset I. I really believe that the majority of our successes tied into mindset where the line action though if we we can create all the plans in the world, but if we're not willing to gamble on ourselves. And we're not believing that the plan will come to fruition. Then it's kind of just wasted energy. Absolutely I love that idea of thinking about two years in the future because that is. It's so funny because it took me it took me over a year to get. Content of my website done My daughter is a web designer she had been designed was just beach right on copy. I'm great writing copy for other people but doing my own you know that always And of course, I had done. It was like Yeah because I had I had changed it and like. So right now I'm already changing it now I want to. Really, keep that in mind about seeking where I wanna go and start and really thoughtfully now think about that and right content with Adam Mind I. think that's Awesome. because. Especially, if it takes a while get a job but I know that it's not going to this time. But I love that. I. Love that idea that and. Why don't ask actually one other sort of question way tunes to because I was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday she was very she's a coach and she was very concerned about trying to come up with WHO ideal client is and and and she'd been working with the coach who could say, Oh, you've got a niche down. Mitch. Down and I was getting to saying you know I think You're attracting these other types of people right now because you're just relaxed about it when you're focus so hard on trying to attract, I should be getting women i. that's who I thought was ideal client and she's not attracting them really so. How have you found in I mean is there value in this? Having a niche or were. What are your thoughts on that? Which is curious I think there's a vow, it depends on the business it depends on the offer. It depends on the business model. So, for example, if I'm going to have a one trick pony business, so maybe I'm GonNa just sell memberships on how to paint by numbers Legis. There's nothing wrong with that belichick. My business your. PINK CAT WE'RE GONNA paint by numbers for a my job is to. Just constantly sell memberships. So my job will be volume. Out Can I keep expanding my list to sell this low ticket item? To this type of person. So in that case, I have to really know my customer because I'm only selling one thing. So I have to really really know who's buying paint by numbers kit. In a business like mine where I have a few different things, I have certification programs. I have group programs, one masterminds. I'm. Since Co ed I've been making way more money than I hadn't planned on pretty low ticket staff because I wasn't focused on the money. I was just focused on helping people. Right. So there's a time and a place for that I. Know I work with women I have to work with spiritual women and so but I right to one person when I write my posts. When I write my copy when I ray emails when I designed program I have one person my you know obviously it's going to resonate for more than one person. That I really right from the heart and they say, okay, I could love this person up. and. Give them everything in the world that they would need to create acts. What would that look like? And that translates really well because I'm not I actually don't have a long. List I, like people who pay me joyfully. I don't need to hear about all the staff you had to do in order amy, you're not paying me. You're investing in yourself through my business. I'm holding space for you I. Don't need the drama right And I. Don't want to chase people for money either. So I, I work with established business owners and they need to they need to do. But I don't care if they have a brick and mortar it doesn't matter. As long as they are established, they have personal responsibility they have emotional Iq and they don't bring their money drama to my doorstep right and anything out of that. It's anyone's welcome honestly and I have met that I work with to just that I men tend to not seek out my type of business and. They tend to not asked for help in the same way women really want to bond they wanNA feel. In sisterhood, they want to have community. There's different things women craven. So my type of business tends to create that and so I guess that's what I would say because yes some people get wage you crazy about ideal avatars and it's a great distraction because as long as I'm figuring out who I'm serving than I, don't have to serve anyone I'd love to serve people but I still don't know I N and I would say no legions focused on on serving and especially now if if what's going on the world isn't enough to light a flame under people to get out there and just help people schussed Prek and help people. Oh my goodness like. The strongest people even are needing someone to just be like. Going on I just need someone to hold space for me in debrief about what's going on like desire so much need for what what all of our gifts are. And I still hear people say you know prior to Kobe they're like they didn't know in now there's still like a half to figure out like. If this isn't enough to just hobby put yourself out there I don't know what you need to get out of your own way and start making in about you and start making about other people. Absolutely Thank you that that reinforce because that was essentially my advice to her was to focus on equality of the person and and what you discussed you to someone who was willing to invest in themselves. Someone who doesn't bring the money story that was exactly pretty much what I told her because it would spike. That focusing on that is going to make so much more sensitive love at. Awesome. You can tell I'm passionate about it. Feng GotTa. Now, I've got a dog scratching at my door. So that's why I keep those if you're watching on youtube and you're like seeing why does she keep muting yourself? I just see a tale going by Shell. It's been. Five is so the dog is desperate of inside your long. Before I let you go I wanted to ask one other thing which is if someone wants to be able to connect with you and they really resonate to what you've had to say today place for them to find you get. while I do have a quiz for business that we just launched. So people go to Seoul journeys, dot ca forward slash quiz. They'll be able to find out their business archetype in how it relates to how they make money in on. So that's it's been cool to get feedback on that is people are enjoying that I also spent a great deal of time on facebook. So I have a group called the purpose policy, which is free for people that are very Wu and want to. Join. A group with people speak in their language and people that are you know beyond the startup as they're ready to scale their business? So those are probably the two best ways to get in touch with me. Awesome. I will definitely have that in the show notes as well and some. 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How do you Build a Civilization from Scratch?

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35:49 min | 2 years ago

How do you Build a Civilization from Scratch?

"Today, digital connectivity is a way of life. Just think about it. Digital assistance, smart home devices, augmented reality and as more and more people rely on this technology are power needs are only going to continue to grow. That's why Eden is innovating intelligent power solutions through engineering and smart technology. They're actually helping people make better use of power while improving the quality of life and environment. You can learn more about it at Eden dot com. Slash what matters that's Eden dot com. Slash what matters. Guess what podcast listeners so will isn't here today? But I did want to tell you a quick story. So years ago, we were brainstorming a game show for this big production company who wanted to work with us, and we came up with this concept called smartest person in the world. Actually, there is some debate about the title because one prison of the group thought it should be called smartest human being in the world because he insisted human beings were a funnier title, but it was this ridiculous quiz show and we're trying to figure out what the big challenge would be stomped. And finally, we thought, what if you took a smart person gave them some materials like a lab or big textbook on optometry and told them, why don't you just make a pair of glasses like could the smartest person in the world or smartest human being in the world just forged together some glasses in thirty minutes on this weird reality show. And now that I say loud, it sounds like a terrible idea or like a more ridiculous version of nailed it. But thing about that show idea made as wonder, how hard is it to create a. Civilize -ation from scratch. Like if we had enough time, could we build a bicycle or figure out how to spin silk or make those pair of glasses we were talking about? And is there a funny instructional book that tells you how to do all this? It turns out there is, let's dig in. Part time. Genius. I'm manga should take their Tristan's in the booth wearing his Imus will t shirt and will is off officiating a wedding for a college friend of ours. Happy wedding day Joyce. But as a side, note, if you want will officiate your wedding and tristen DJ the after party. You can always hit us up at part time. Genius at how stuff works dot com. Tristen please don't edit that part out. So today we've got a very special author on the show. He's the brains behind dinosaur comics. He's won awards for his comic book, writing including pending adventure time, the new jug head. But he's here to talk to us about his new book how to invent everything. Welcome to the program, Ryan north. Thank you for having me. So I really loved how to invent everything. It's this ridiculous and hilarious guide to rebuilding civilization from scratch. But the concept is way more interesting than that. And I was wondering if you'd mind telling our listeners a little bit about it. Yeah, sure. So the premise of the book, it's sort of a a nonfiction core wrapped in a fiction. Candy coated. The members of the book is that this is a, it's a found documented, say, repair guide for time machine. If you go back in time and your time machine breaks down, this is how you fix it. But after the first couple of pages, the book admits that look time machines are the most complicated machines. Humans I've ever built. Parts, and so you're not going to fix it in the year, two hundred your trap where you are, but we're not gonna leave me stranded. Here's how you bring the future back to you by reinventing all the, the basically, the low hanging fruit of delays. Everything you miss is in this book from from first principles, and we don't assume like what time period you're in or what tools you have. It's all like from basics. Here's how it works. So for the stranded time traveller it should be legitimately useful in those circumstances, but for the non stranded for us who are just going through time at one second per second and only ever forward. It's also like an interesting book that makes you feel like a more competent person. A lot better having written it. I feel a lot more prepared to do lots of things among which is be stranded in the past. And yes, I guess I was curious about that. Like how much were you interested in these things before you wrote this book? Like what was the motivation for writing this? Yeah, like age six to sixteen. Basically, this is all I thought it because I thought back to the future and Martin flag goes back in time. That's amazing. What would I do if I was trapped in time? And I kept coming back to this idea that you know, I'd be saying, oh, it's great in the future. We have computers and people would say, great. How do they work? Can I'd say, I don't know, but you're gonna love him. I have no proof and I wanted to to be that person be the go. How does it be to work? No problem. And by the way, here's an internal combustion engine in, here's everything else you need. So it was something that I sort of fantasize about, and I kept waiting for this book to be written. And Finally, I wrote myself, which I think is the story of a lot of books. We all right, the books we'd like to read. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know that that was always our goal at mental floss to is trying to make people interested in something they didn't think they could be interested in. You know, we used to have these conversations in our dorm rooms will, and I actually about like if you went back in time what we could actually do, like how competent we'd be and really other than telling people to like wash their hands a lot like we didn't feel like we had much advice, but I was there. So. But that doesn't thing like you write about how to make so like why horses can only use certain types of collars like you have this argument between like a water wheel enthusiasts, and a windmill enthusiasts. And like, honestly, I never thought I'd have an opinion on on why women are better, but it really is terrific. I mean, it's it's the way it normally work. As you may know when reading nonfiction book is right kind of a proposal. We say, here's a book I wanna right? And here's a sample chapter. And here's the table of contents and here's what I want to do, and you try to get people shouldn't that. But for this book I wasn't at all confident that what it was trying to do was possible. Clap civilization into four hundred pages, and I wasn't sure that would work. And I wasn't sure if I could do it if it would be useful, like I did, I was worried about connecting it so much. It would be at level of, you know, you need food to live, find some food need it, and you wouldn't learn anything. So I actually wrote fifty thousand words for the proposal. I cut down into a smaller amount and then sort of went from there. But I, I wasn't at all confident that this book would actually come together because it was just seemed like this is the craziest thing I've ever tried to do. It is. I mean, and the fact that like I walk away knowing what's a better, like way to harness a horse is amazing. And it's it's told him like diagrams, and just a few sentences it is. It is stunning. I want to talk about some of the specifics if you're up for, you know, fairly early in the book. You talk about written language and importance of creating language, and you discuss pictograms which I hadn't really thought about like those don't really work as a language when read. And could you explain that a little bit because I really found that fascinating. Yeah, that's we came up. I was at the Exo Exo conference last weekend, and we're talking about emojis a lot there and similar idea where people can say, oh, emojis. Our language and I, I went to school for linguistics. I'm the guy being leg actually. Is the difference between communication and language, right? So like you can communicate with the dog and you know what your feelings are communicating with you and your exchanging feelings if not legitimate command, right? Uh-huh. And there's so you can communicate with animals, but you can't really have a language with them in the same way. We have language right now. One of the main differences between pictograms and words is that words have a specific meaning. So I think in the book, I've example of a picture of a woman tossing her hair emoji style and peach and sunglasses. I think. And if you know the story, those ammonia trying to tell you can reconstruct it from this pictogram a cool woman ADA peach. That's what this is trying to say. But if you don't know the story, it also be like, oh, cool. Peach was around a woman or a woman got transformed into a cool peach by aliens. There's all this stuff that you are reading into it because it doesn't have one specific meaning. It's more like a reminder that natural narrative with words the whole point of languages to communicate clearly. And so words tend to you can still have miscommunication, but we try to minimize those nights that we can communicate quickly and accurately and not, you know, be passing pitchers back and forth. And I thought you have this long sentence there about like. I forget what it was exactly like aliens being in the glasses or something, you know, in the shadow of the glasses or whatever reflection and it was just so perfectly illustrative of the fact that these aren't, you know, one to one is pretty amazing and also the fact that I didn't realize this, but Easter Island had a script that's never been deciphered like, that's, that's I Turk Mickey into what gets terrified by the whole thing. Terrifying. Yeah, because it's this written script and basically European show up and wreck everything. In an unprecedented event. It'll never happen again. And so they bring disease and they bring like slavery and all this horrible stuff. When they first show up, it's understood that this is writing but only the elites and understand it. And then when they come back onto his later in the the island is in horrible condition. There's only a few people left and that knowledge of his script is lost. And so you know what had been words is now just squiggle is that nobody understands and it, it really drove home. The idea to me that, like, you know, language is a technology, something we invented and we don't get it for free and writing down where it's something we had to think of and then do. And just like any technology, we can lose it and they have like losing the written word. It feels like you're just cutting the heart out of any civilization, like is such a devastating blow. That would be so hard to recover from. So I thought it was a great example of just like things are more precious than we tend to think they are as ubiquitous as writing can can still be forgotten. Speaking of that, like you do this great section on farming. I mean you go through everything from like, why you leave a field. Fowler. Oh, for awhile and like all sorts of things, but a lot of work, but it's a small chapter. That's what's the basic about it. But you know, you talk about ancient corn and peaches and watermelon being completely different. And would you tell us a little bit about what those were like and how they tasted? So we have this idea of selective breeding where we basically the thing about selective breeding is this is one of the technologies you kind of get without trying because it's just human nature. If you have a plant that has you know, larger fruit, you plant those seats next year because it's a better plan to be planting and so you to add this evolutionary pressure to get the kind of planning one. But the results of that are things like pizzas, where these, these giant second with peaches and the passer with these like hard sour face. No one really wanna eat, but they're nothing. Koren is a comes from this ancient grain. That's just like basically grass. And the crazy thing about corn is we haven't been able to figure out exactly how you get corn out of out of. This ancient ancestor, it feels like it must have been this one in a million either random crossbreeding or mutation, but something changed to produce the larger heads of corn with these giant kernels. We can eat that. Is just we don't know how to do it yet. I it sound like in in your book like you'd only get something like four or five colonels of edible corn off a Cobb who is crazy to think about. But I mean if that's if that's the state of the art, that's what you'd go with. Right? You don't. You don't imagine our modern corner. This ridiculously convenient packaging were just throw them barbecue and then peel it off and you've got this too wishes corn ready to go. It's it's the thing where you know you think of the natural world as being permanent and unchanging. When we're surrounded by evidence of human influence on this natural world, we've been changing it since we've been human. Yeah, he's making Easter first selves like it is remarkable. So another thing that I hadn't really thought about, I feel like this whole book is things I hadn't thought about, but. One of the things I hadn't thought about was. That that you have to test foods for at ability, right. Like if you're coming from the future and you don't know what you're looking at that you'd need water and salt water on hand. Like could you talk us through the process and why it might take something like seventeen hours to determine whether food is edible or not? Yeah, it's called the the universal Ed ability test. And if you're not trapped in the past, it's also useful. If you're say trapped in the woods. Which if you know what to eat. And so basically you're, you're taking a tiny bit of this candidate food and you just touch it to your skin and then wait fifteen minutes for something horrible to happen for your skin to erupt her bogged your crawl out of it, something that's not going to happen, but just looking for a reaction. And then if that works, you press it to your lips than the inside here lips, and then your gum in the to it and spit it out to it and hold it in your mouth. And then you choose while he's taking fifteen minutes tween each of these steps and takes, I think, is it sixteen hours? Remember forget how I want to say it was seventeen hours to to do this. Yeah. But at the end of this, you know, it's probably safe to eat. That is pretty remarkable. It was. It was fun research in the book because I was reading a lot of survival books for the present, right? Because they're not unrelated scenarios. And when they had discovered is that there are some survival books out there. They're just completely bunkers. There's talking about food spoiling and say, you know when the apocalypse happens, not if but when you wanna be eating food, that's, you know, in tin, cans and stuff or infringes. And by the way, don't worry about food going bad. That's that's a myth. Food doesn't go bad. You can still eat. It just doesn't taste good, but still has attrition in it. And I'm like, I don't. That's not. Stick to the second edition. Excellent for fishing, botulism, and that's Chris can go back. Yeah, for sure. You know, there was a time when we used to look for funny prizes for a trivia show. We used to go around doing and and I found survival of site that produced peanut butter and jelly and Ken, and it was just meant to be on shelves, waiting for you so that in the future you could pull out like a fresh peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which is just amazing to me. The word fresh is a very generous who the word. We've never made a PB and j. sandwich. So you know at this'll let this cure for a couple of weeks before I eat it, and then it's going to be delayed. So you know, you also have a great section on plants that are useful and and and there's a whole list of them from apples to white Mulberries where silkworms can grow to rubber sugarcane. But you also include tobacco on this list, and I was curious why you chose to do that. Was that just for humor for historical purposes or or what was it? I mean, it's not a very glowing review of tobacco. Do is smoke this, but it is one of the plants at this had this huge impact on human history, right? Like it turns out that when humans find tobacco, they eventually try smoking it. So knowing not to do that, can save your civil your potential future civilization like millions and millions and in medical costs and lives cut down too soon. So I felt like that was more of a, be careful with this one then a by the way for the listeners. I will note that I'll read the quote you've put in the notes section under tobacco, avoid introducing tobacco, do your civilization, you will save billions of dollars millions of lives and prevent the invention of vaping, which I found really funny. Joe, how embarrassing. Because you're right. It takes a year or two, and then you forget the jokes he put in until you have them played back. That's pretty good. Pass me. So do you have any plans that you are particularly partial to on on this list of yours? There's a footnote for a believe orange plants talking about scurvy and citrus, and it's one of the most ridiculous footnotes in the book says, talking about, you know, citrus prevents Skirving scurries a horrible disease that kills you mentally after make you be paying for a long long time and the British empire discovered or like humans in general, discovered that vitamin c is an orange juice in that prevents scurvy and then forgot that fat like. So many times throughout history. It'll be funny. People weren't dying. Every time it happened. The most heartbreaking when the the British discover this great we solve scurvy it's done and then you know, fifty years go by the invent steamship. So people are traveling faster at sea, and also despair nutrition, source, people better vitamin c. reserves. And so nobody notices that when the British army shifts from rush juice to this stored lime juice, they run through copper pipes, which kills a vitamin c. in it that they're scurvy cure. No longer works to is being masked by the fact that people aren't at sea for longer, and then you hit this great age of exploration in Arctic and start getting scurvy gananoque. Well, our cure is clearly not working. So we're out of ideas, bad morale causes scurvy and you're like back at square one again. Like why? How do we keep forgetting this information? It's a disease that you can cure by eating an orange. The medicine is the same as a cure. It's it's heartbreaking, but also hilarious, but also not funny at all because all these people are dying from just the stupidest reasons. Yeah. When we used put out t shirts, that menopause, one, one of the first jokes I'd written for that was a shirt with the pirate on and said, when life gives you scurvy make lemonade, and it was very divisive because people didn't like the idea of scurvy joke on a shirt, but it's legitimate advice though. Well, we're going to be back with Ryan north right after a little break. Support for part time. Genius comes from Graham really the communication tool that helps improve your writing. For every occasion. I've actually been using grammar recently, and I have to say it's the best grammar to alive ever used really helps you write more confidently for work school and even on the go, they have a free version to give you a feel for the product and it's available across platforms including online desktop and mobile grammar. Lee premium allows users to track their writing skills and progress over time. 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I'm talking western medicine, but it applies a lot of them where we are operating under Iran idea of what medicine is for thousands of years and in western census any of the four humors that are in balance. And because of that, you might have too much blood. And that's the reason you know, you have cancer. And for other cynical reason too much blood while suck it up with the Leech. And so the Leach was way to talk about, you know how bad ideas of what diseases can cause bad treatments and how there is no medical use for elite at any point history than a footnote saying, okay, fine is a tiny medical use in the eighties. We realize leeches had this one drug that was useful because my surgery and we synthesize it five years later. So in this narrow window you can use to, but you shouldn't be anywhere else until like it's just this idea that humans have where I say humans, not one of them said, yeah, we have onto this bad. Inception of what something is and not examine it for literally thousands of years. It makes the point of view of a time. Traveler saying, there's a lot of things you can fix here, like there's there's ways for humanity to improve our history simply by not treating diseases with leeches for thousands of years. That'll that'll be a lot better. And you mentioned silkworms as well. You talk a little bit about that. Yes. So quorums there. There. I believe the only domesticated insect we have and it has not worked out too well for soak worms because they used to, you know, just feed on these leaves of this white mulberry plant and then spin this cocoon of a single piece of silk and then emergencies new animals. And now since we've domesticated them, they spend this cocoon of silk and those that do emerge only live for a couple of days. They can't eat unless they're force fed. They can't fly their blind and they're just like these. Unhappy little beasts, and most of them we stick in boiling water to kill them and harvest their sale. So they're the only domesticated insect, but hasn't been as real success story from the so firms point of view. That's definitely just knowing where still comes from could make millions of dollars at certain points in history, and it was it was as big secret in the earliest ideas we're too so come from, you know, I heard it's when this insect that if you eat too much explodes in the explosion of silk thing. Nothing. Sort of like telephone game, like someone new came from an insect did know how the silk happen to these sort of get this result down the road. And that's pretty impressive. So one of the things I also really liked them. This election was about goats and I'm a fan of goat's anyway because they help us discover coffee, but you also right that there are great way to get rid of poison Ivy. Why is that? So poison Ivy fascinating because it has his horrible affect humans and it's probably an accident. There's no evolutionary reason for this to affect only humans and one other ape, and that's it. So it seems to be an accident poison, Ivy poison in the first place and doesn't affect goats, but go slumped, eat it. And so if you have poison Ivy, you can rent a goat and just put it on your land and it will eat up all the poison Ivy long with your other stuff. And all I have to do is be careful not to pet the goat or drink the goat's milk by accident over the next couple of days, and your problem is solved. That's remarkable to me. New sort of ended up accidentally drinking goat milk all the time. And if we go again. So this is factor an earlier question, but like I feel like you have written a bunch of these really unusual books or or the concepts for the books are really unusual, and you've also these books that tackle Shakespeare, but treat them almost like choose your own adventure books. What was your inspiration for writing this style of book like where they're models of these books or tones that use sort of were drawn to when you're growing up? No, I'm I'm actually hope there's more book like this. I hadn't read a book before that had a fictional conceit around nonfiction core, and I know my publishers were exactly like what people think this is all fake information. We had this huge. We've all the sources I referenced. So you know that there this is all real. That's the time travel parts which is not real. But it was. It was less of books. I read in more movies. I saw time travel adventures where usually pretty much every time travel movie. I've seen. There's not a person who's like I'm prepared for this scenario for I have researched information my head or in this book. So I just like they have someone who wakes up in the year, negative five hundred says great. I know exactly what to do today. In the beginning. Like I feel like whether things about time travel movies is people are always disputing whether or not time travel can work or like the the laws of time travel or whatever. And I, I like that you address them right up front. I sort of had to because I, the whole premise, it's there. It's a rental time machine. Right? And I feel like if you can go back and step in a butterfly and destroyed the universe, it's wildly irresponsible Toronto time machine. Built this model time travel. We're going be go back in time. You create a new parallel time line where everything's the same except you were there, and so you can't mess up the world you're from which works for a time travel adventure. But it's also like has huge ethical implications of creating a parallel world for tourism purposes. No consequences, but it's filled with living. Breathing people. It's like a nightmare holiday, but works really good for this purposes of this book. I agree. So you have a section on medicine and how to invent it, where where are you talking about things like germ theory and baselines for normal humans. But you also have the sidebar on a rehydration drink, and I was curious why you included that. Yeah. So this rehydration drink. It's like everything else. It's a real drink. And like if it's in the book, I should say it's real, but the reason I included is because there's tons of diseases that don't technically kill you from the disease kill you from diarrhea, dehydration of pooping so much and. It's such an unfair way to die plus it can be treated if you're drinking this rehydration Rick, even though you're vomiting, drink it between the vomits you'll be fine. And the trick is it's got some solvents. Let's your body absorb water slightly faster, and it's just a, it's a really easy and really easy to make medicine. You can make out of water and salt at any time period that can literally save lives. If someone is having a disease that makes them pooper vomit too much as dehydrating them. Yeah. No. I mean, it's incredible that dehydration is one of the biggest causes of death through human history. I mean, it's something I had never thought about. Yeah, I was. I was worried the lav sections that worried me at the start in medicine was one of them 'cause I was thinking, you know, what can I tell you? That's useful practical one hundred years ago. What can I tell you? It's going to be valuable, but even just that is insanely valuable, he can save so many lives with that. Just knowing how to make them went to administer it outside the benefit that you know killers like heart disease and cancer aren't going to be a big concern if you're in the distant past because you have to live a long time usually for those to have an effect on you. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I do want to go back to one of the things I referenced in the beginning, which was the discussion of water wheels versed windmills. And I was curious if you could talk about the benefits of both those and Wia win mill might be superior out. You're on windmill Bill. Interesting. So basically what you want with either water mill or windmill is a turn a wheel because a wheel can power machinery which can grind your grand and do all sorts of Sawyer Woodall sorts of interesting things. Hammer, your iron is basically a machine doing the work for you. And water wheels are great because water carries more force when it moves, but you need water moving water to do that. We'll win mills. You just need the air and you can place them anywhere. So windmill you've advantage of you can move it more easily to target the wind, and you can place them in areas where he can't place a water wheel, but of the disadvantage that win doesn't carry as much work. So you're, you're limited sorts of things you can do and this that the talented with a book is that the fun of it really was that some of the stuff like, oh, this sounds boring like why don't want to care about this. But if you presented in a funster time travel way, it becomes a, you know what? Teamwork, hunting water wheel or team women. I didn't feel like there was an argument there. Once I read from Chomsky who I think with the the partner debating you, I didn't think I'd think about the benefits between the two, but it was really engaging. Thank you. I mean that that's that's what I was trying to do the. I think the fun of a book like this because normally for on fixing, you're always worried, you know, is this boring and how can I make it not boring, but doing it in this time travel way whenever I was like, oh, I wonder if this is boring, I could just go back to the time travel thing. Put in the time travel joker, how some some fun with the conceit is easy way to make it and engaging book and not just here's a list of facts that are useful. Did you know water balls at one hundred degrees now you do? Yeah. I mean, and you also like those little jokes are so funny like you have that section on famous songs that you can play your eyes sheet music to like ode to joy and pocketbook candidate or whatever. Like I just thought that was such a wonderful relief from from the. Most of the text, but I am curious like what ended up on the cutting room floor or like what? What is stuff that you thought about tackling, but but found too hard to condense there was going to be a section on weapons and atomic written most the book I, I started thinking, I don't want a section how to kill people. Yes, just feels the whole book is about building civilizations and building like literally building a world around yourself. You know, I, I'm actually, I'm actually glad you didn't because I felt like one of the brightest things about this book was your were filled with news that's so distracting irritating and upsetting. And this book really felt, even though it's kind of a survivalist book just felt so optimistic. It is a very optimistic book. I mean, you have to be optimistic to to be two hundred thousand years in the past thinking I alone can rebuild civilization. Do it. But yes, I didn't wanna put any any weaponry stuff. And honestly, if you wanna kill someone like there's can probably figured a way to do it with what's in the book ready assure you know, hurt their feelings with the written word. There was a section. It's funny in the music section. So the the gag of that section is you have like some classics pack of elves cannon and ode to joy. And then you've got the tetris theme song. Folkestone originally wanted to have salt and pepper soup there, but I could not for the life of may get the rights holders understand what I was trying to do with his book. Take. And I know it doesn't exist, but I'll I'll make it because this for a textbook and MC notes on a textbook. It's like fiction, but fiction and it's general information. It's not textbook and they're like, oh, so it's for school. It's textbook knows textbook. They suffer funding my Email. Who would have thought the problem is that like there's a lot of money and sheet music licensing. And so there's no motivation to put a square peg in round hole there. There were like, this is wasting time emailing this Guy. Forget that is a great story. And honestly, shoop is such a great punch line there for some reason, really wonderful. The other thing I ended up cutting was at the end, there was a kind of a victory lap chapter with a recipe and how to make apple pie and ice cream scratch and sort of rift off at old. Carl Sagan quote where where he says like to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. In my words like, well, you've created a civilization now, here's how you make up and all the all the ingredients. You could build up what you'd already learned in the book, but is already a pretty long book. And I felt like this is just like a loop of things people already know. Well, I understand why you didn't put it in, but it would have been a great addition. I think we're going to pause for a quick at break, but we'll be back with Ryan north in just a minute. So last week I stumbled into one of the first business cards I made in our mental floss days. I had gotten some card stock from the store and use my home printer and design this thing, and it looks and feels terrible. Yes, they did and I kept it all these years because it's just funny. But the thing is, especially when you're starting a business, it is so important to feel professional and confident and prepared at all times. I remember those with the cartoon dude you drew all right. I mean, for small business owners or people who produce their own podcast being plugged in and prepared when an opportunity comes up is crucial and having a business car that shows how professional you are and just having that in your pocket ready to hand out, it's the first step to making something happen. 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And just in case you missed it. That's genius at vistaprint dot com. Welcome back to part time Dina's where we're talking to author Ryan north. So I want to read the last sentences of the book, and I promised spoiler and I was curious if you let us do that on the program. Sentences, so go for it so it it goes reading. This book is transferred knowledge of humanity's greatest achievements from the palm of your hand to the interior of your mind. Earlier, we remarked that this text once stranded in the past was the single most powerful and dangerous thing on the planet that is no longer true. You are go get them tiger, which I just thought was such a wonderful way to close this book. Thank you know I love of drama that gave it, but also you know your your boat to do something crazy. You're about to try to rebuild civilization. So give you the pep talk at the end. Go do it. In the world. That we didn't have because we didn't know about it at the time. So you can do this. 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Farming Basics

Waffle House Code: Black

25:28 min | 1 year ago

Farming Basics

"Hi this game. Show host of off Laos Code Black building a stronger community through crap. Today's episode farming basics. All right so yes it'd be nice to get the two obvious caveats. Vs Out of the way first off if you already doing farming and you've probably already are. You're probably going to find a couple of really cool tips and tricks. You're not gonna be finding running a whole lot of stuff you know like he had this is farming. Be Xix this is for people who are really all that familiar with farming and they're trying to get a general feel for it. So you know you basically starting to look into farming this going to be a great intro for those who are definitely a little bit more advanced yet. You're gonNA find the occasional tip and trick here but I'm not really sure how much you're gonNA find. Get you off to this particular. podcast the second caveat it is keeping minded. This is Jim prepping podcast. That is not only. We're worried about having to build produce food up until the apocalypse were all young a young with possibility dealing with food production afterwards because that expect a lot of interesting tips and tricks specifically dealing with the post apocalyptic situation where where we're looking at your and you have a lot less people a lot more area to play with and unfortunately a lot more people trying to come after your food. So expect to see some interesting racing self-defense. Tips if for engine from anywhere from how to better protect your bill to while keeping hidden door we've got some stuff for area that said if you're expecting me to be nice in general and getting back to nature. Yeah this is not the thing for you. True farming is not anything that incredibly. It's boring monotonous backbreaking. Work that you're going to find swore muscles so that you never thought you had muscles before and this is even if you've been doing it for a while. Farmers Chindia have no problem communicating with Mother Nature usually using the word four letter words. So if you're expecting whatever kind of farming we're talking here to be gentle mellow some sort of zinn meditative estate. Yeah it can be that but it usually. There's a lot more tours in going out in hoeing especially if we're talking to post apocalypse apocalypse. Wasting worry that hose going to be used for self defense so you know. Take that for what it's worth. I up for the seed problems. Yep We start dealing with farming greenhouses beginning with a lot of interesting seed issues. Obviously the first I need to do is sit up seed vault all she while. This is a collection of different types of seeds covering awards wide range of possibly can that are stored in a cold. Dry Place this concept behind. The scenes is uses contingency. That is if something happens to the rest of your stock. You have APPs something. You can actually go to nationally drawn and hopefully later on replace straight up if you'RE GONNA go with insects you're going to be dealing with inclement weather. Are you going to be dealing with raiding parties. You're GonNa need something to draw robin case. Something really bad happens to the crop that Saldivar the most obvious solution. She'd vault. Nope the one thing you keep. Money's wanted cool things about building this pre apocalypse. You can take your grandchildren backhoe taking into your backyard. Bill allows small bunker build up. She'll see nice and dry in the cover back. Got that extra couple of feet of soil will keep that place on on the cold side and you want place. It's going to be drying coal. That's why you're building it to be called in. They secretly also be dry. Twofold fold region for this. The first is the colts will keep it from germinating as soon as he starts to Germany. Pretty much use for the purposes of well keeping the contingency at that point good planet consider bonus you have to you but the bottom line is issues starts sprouting you need to take it out of that seed vault as quickly as possible. Second is you're trying to avoid it. Roddy Mill Joey going way you that is by keeping it dry assuming again as soon as he gets into a situation where well it's riding your mill doing it's useless. You'RE GONNA take it out you're GONNA have to replace it and you're GonNa have to clean the scenes vault because you're gonNA need to remove those contaminants and nor to make it safe for future seeds. You don't do that. You'RE GONNA end up pretty much wasting your time also also like you said make sure figure wherever the moisture is coming from and do something about not all that complicated. Just keep a cold and dry. You're good to go also make sure he'd you're collecting are not massage specials that is like companies who seed companies are nowadays are making the point that you have to get a new batch seats from every tiny plant. There are no heritage sheets for large companies. Unfortunately you need that heritage. She'd concepts concepts in order to basically keeps rowdy. Unique plants are unique keys are going to grow into actual plants in. If you're doing ones that are pretty much sterile. You're the only one time use. Yeah you're pretty much just waking time down the road. It's going to be easy. You'RE GONNA have to be actually constantly buying let's get get reelected. You're talking a post apocalyptic situation going down to local. See store just isn't going to be happening so make sure that whatever sees you do get do actually have actually will produce viable plants. That is plants will actually produce seeds that you can actually use again otherwise. You're pretty much just wasting eighteen. Your time also keep in mind that when you harvest plants you want to keep a good percentage of those available for this later on of sewing you were probably looking probably about ten percent. I mean I know's can be a little much but I'm allowing things like Rod. I'm looking for emergencies so on so so forth the bottom line here. Is it when you harvest your plants. You WanNa keep some of the seeds back that we have something later on and yet you're GONNA have a lot of videos that are going to forget this now. WanNa bet will be coming after years. We'll be coming after your siege three played with day lost so remember when you picking up seed seed vault viable plant keep some back do that and you'll pt. You allow your struggles to be taken care of right off. The bat lead in terms of finding finding the season in the first place the second issue of course we fertilizer if he can get some big bags of fertilizer storage which means you possibly away and keep them in rotation obviously you want to keep them too long storage or bad things will happen some of them will just decompose on their own. Others will simply lose viability lose value. I'm sure a lot of them will say fine but the bottom online years if you can't grab bags of fertilizer from local store prior to talk flips definitely go for it and definitely stock up on this if he can't or even if you do and you eventually run out. All's not lost. You have a couple of options first off. Let me backtrack by half step up. If you happen to be thinking of all wing wood fires keep that Ash. That ash was actually pretty good fertilizer in of itself. especially if he's re sparingly basically just has all right minerals and yet he's just going to be a really great fertilizer so go ahead keep it collect it and use it as necessary. Second you're going to be doing a lot composting. The composting is pretty much going to be any food that you don't happen to eat and it shouldn't be all that many of them but if you have leftover food and you want to get rid of it through a compost heap you're gonNA find that compost heap is going. It'd be a major source of fertilization. Your thing I'm GonNa really recommended that you try to avoid animal or human feces. Yeah no SORTA gross but Niki here is that that night soil. Whereas you're gonNA hear people say it's really good and all this? The problem is you never know what's inside. Somebody's gets and yeah while composting. Threats will take care of that problem for you. I'm big fan of the concept of better safe than sorry. So try to avoid using human anual feces as much as you possibly can and if you do well I guess you could use it for flowerbeds Sasser to thing but try to avoid putting on your food the issue here is it. A lush feces will contain bacteria and other parasites. And you're not always sure that they have those because they're not always obvious eighteen base looking so the way you especially if we're dealing with the small community of people is simply not do it so Yeah just keep them out of your compost should be good to go. The thirteen keep in mind is d dreaded three field rotation yeah I noticed medieval but hey hey it worked in. It's going to work for you now. Moore how we made it a point. He has like three or more properties while he would ask you to come in handy because you're good at least three appealed for this to work your first visually. You're going to be dealing with three feels the first one can be pretty much whatever you want. That's cool. That's actually what we're preparing for. The second field is going to be strictly nitrogen. Fixer slowly lagoon being visually something that will fix nitrogen in the air to the soil. It's a nice little bonus and give you some protein. The third field will be left fallow. That is you'll not plant anything in their period is GONNA look attractive. Hey eighth wants you through grass on it. I don't care can fat. Grass's actually pretty good because rescue accident of fertilizer later on yet I big major used for weeds. Speaking speaking of which by the way don't throw them away put them in your compost heap more fertilizer. Anything Organic. You ended up tossing pretty much throwing your compost heap. You should be good to go. Organic in. This case is not necessarily meanest. Duffy's find it a whole foods. It means pretty much anything. You can actually sleet yourself. But that's next year compost. Look it back to three field rotation the three facilitations simple concept basically. You're taking. He needs to be filled in your rotating. Just like volleyball considered if you will your set your spike and you're person off the court and you pretty much good to go that that is your first your first field. The when he did pretty much anything you wanted to do is going to start off his while. Planning thing you want. There doesn't matter. It could be tomatoes beans. Whatever have fun the second one? You know once you've done that Netra crop rotation you're in the you're going going to go with nitrogen fixer. And then after that third one is you're going to school leaving a fallow and then of course repeat as needed. The second you feel one is Houston Nitrogen fixers with rob the next thing. She'd be a Falfield as he should do. Whatever you want with it death the third field fallow? Obviously whatever you WANNA do with it in a nitrogen fixer. The basic idea here is that you're doing whatever you want with it. Then you're retiring any gamage image and then you just letting it really. He'll you know you. Three field rotation worked because well. It's a great concept and it keeps sensation. He's Asian easy nuke by the way at this point we assumed. Ub She's doing all your farming outside the cool thing about doing farming outside his as as you do easy access you all these plants that you can easily pollinate. You can take advantage of bees in the area and he for your animals help fertilizer which is sort of weird idea. But you know you've got you probably GONNA be running around with chickens and those chickens. You can actually help the planet not only will they be taking up the insects. They will also be helping heath plants going. Yeah that's determined GonNa be using and plus on top of that you can build the necessary structures like ebbing polls. You know that sort of thing we all these really cool trellis is for your fines so on and so forth means you all this outside. You're asking you a greenhouse if you happen to have inclement weather especially if you've got to be dealing with a lot of cold winters at that point you can actually build another crop the come cross during the winter and it actually be taken care of cooling about greenhouses at pretty much provided some warm. All you have to do is make sure you get certain amount of light. And you're good to go also keep in might you're seeing be fertilizing at pretty much by hand whereas with three filled rotation it pretty much takes care of itself if you had a greenhouse. You're actually going to be doing situation situation when you're actually doing the potting mixture and all that by hand so plus two is that you can have an extra crop during the year but the minus is GonNa take a lot of working to take care of you properly so if you don't mind the extra work go ahead and pull up greenhouse and go ahead and do it the other option. You buy this hydroponics. I've already suggested this back in the first episode. We're busy point out the pool you can let chlorine and recently run out of it and I'll send you gotta fleet place. The race fish plants chickens which is weird way of looking at it but trust me it works out the key here. Is that not only. Can you do that with a pool but you can also do that pretty much with any where you separate reservoir water pump and a few other things. Those other things depend on. Exactly what methods of hydroponics you WANNA use. And there's lots of out there. I humbly suggest looking into it just because some really cool stuff but it before it sounds way too Sifi keep in mind. The really cool thing about hydroponics is you're not limited to the outside of the greenhouse. What's his media? I'll Elson becomes not only really great way to you. Know you've got US room in your house. Hey y'all said you've got a place you can use for storage or you can use for food production. Just keep my. You're going to have to keep it lit. And if you have a post apocalyptic situation where all you got all your empty houses around you guess what you now have easily self defensible areas of food production. Follow this cool thing. Is that whenever we start dealing with Raider Sir anybody out to your adversary stuff. You have three going to grab the obvious stuff. I this means all that really cool stuff even going on the outside or even your greenhouses. That's obvious stuff and that's going to be taking I shall this is GonNa work however if you've got hydroponic sting and you've got this in a house somewhere. Well especially if that happens to be the windows in the room of the House Yankee being happen to be facing south obviously I think it'd be all the way but the room you put your hydroponic. Initiative has had a window facing south that we can maximize sunlight during the day. Also means you don't have to worry about artificial light which can be dead giveaway away if you happen to forget it so somebody rating during the night or the scooping out your place. They're not going to be able to hydroponics. Labs are that easily so this means that you can actually use the houses as hydroponics arms and actually have some foods not obvious in. That won't be taken very quickly. People are GonNa have to scout around there. We have to figure out that even exists and only then are they going to be able to take advantage of it in this essence. You're looking at using a visibility as a form of self-defence sort of a cool concept. But you know it's it's a California farming thing keeping my by the way you want. Find a couple of trees if you don't have trees going already. What advice based on whatever is available in terms of Jaffe weather on what you can get away with what is is is at least one olive tree one palm tree of some sort of like date palm and something for citrus beat lemons grapefruit oranges? Whatever doesn't matter and if you have this yet getting wild here for a couple of other kinds of fruit trees go for it but three he wants those three is well? The date palms pretty much your sturdy and can pretty much goethe allowed different types of weather but the dates themselves are free good smart move back of energy. I mean the pretty much pure sugar. So they're gonNA make some really great desert and they're gonna make some really great dried food and you had to be on a long struggle. You can actually pack a cup love when you should be good for a while. The olive is is going to give you olive oil. Obviously you can have all press at some point but the cool thing about the olive oil is that you can use it for frying pretty much. A lot of different types cooking plus sort of healthy going. Obviously it's available as touted as issue a health food having accessible symbol to you. It's not a bad idea. Again and olives in other than selves are a pretty hardy tree plus based on the way red harvesting wishes to basically knock them around. Yeah they're also pretty good stress relief in the right time. But the key here is you're GonNa want Your Olive Tree just for the sake of having oil and if you I mean straight up issues really great to have olive oil for pretty much everything the only good thing thing to fry it. It's also something on his own or mixing them with a good dressing. You know and straight up. You're going to figure out how to do some sort of vinegar bigger. I mean if you're going to do farming Grapevine should get a grapevine going. You've got wine. You can take the wind you can make that ended vinegar. Yeah I know slash drug will get a good oil vinegar dressing but straight up is going to be worth it on top of that if he had some sort of limit Orange Street. You also vitamin C.. Supply this will prevent potential for scurvy which is always a good thing so if he at least those three trees trees going. You're good to go if he can do a little bit more great but at least concentrate on those three trees while we're dealing with plant less also consider the possibility of animals. Obviously the tubing animals can have available to you in the suburbs are believe it or not fish and chicken. If you have a pool and you commissioner we make get past the point you know get rid of all the chlorination and all the other chemicals that are part of it and just get to regular water you can use that to set a fishpond. I'm obviously should adjusting till. AP If you possibly can but in Kinda fish you can get in there. Go for it. The second year I wanted to be part of that pool is basically covered in plants. You can actually eat. You'll be doing strategy hydroponics type of situation a topic that you're going to you. Want to build a wooden slats over part of the pool. And then you're GONNA WANNA trade your chickens in. Yeah you're GonNa want chickens to actually come in and that's where do you want to defeat what's the translate to is that the chickens fissure going to provide fertilizer for the plant to provide food for the Tha Labia and chicken lawsuit provide a little bit not much but a little bit of protection for where the plants the chickens are also good for your other plans as well. We have like a freestanding responding victory garden of some sort. You're gonNA love chickens because they will go in. If you will find the in section they will eat them. Plus chickens chickens Donnelly provide the meat but the awesome fried eggs in Asia. Really great thing in of themselves so basically we're looking at is taking advantage of the standard suburbs setup where most people have some sort of pool willing that pool basically not maintaining it and then going ahead in premium. Some fish there if you can't do keep the pump because that might help a little bit and keeping the place auction united in your fishing your plan you're GonNa love you for the fish August or the sorry. The plants are obviously going to be getting off on the oxygen. They're going to be getting off the carbon dioxide caused by the fish. But as long as you have some way keeping even your fish alive your fossil be alive and you'll be loving life. You're kicking on a hand will only help you keep down your pest problem but you will also by a certain degree of fertilizer by themselves else. Obviously before the park lip you'll have to clear this whatever homeowner association you're dealing with and usually it's not a major problem because they let you do pretty much whatever however you want to do in the backyard. Obviously the cool thing about a post apocalyptic racial comes backyard. Farming is there's no Hoa's this also also is really cold for the front yard because you can do that point once. The apocalypse says in your front area performing as well and I definitely recommend going with the three field rotation situation. What also gonNA suggest is that in the areas around your houses good sets up a self defense areas? You'RE GONNA love this if you can't you happen to be in an area where blackberry bushes or some equivalent happens to be running native and by blackberry bushes looking at it was really cool. Bunch of varies on a really long vine vine happens to be forty. Yeah if you that happened you have a lot of big born Jane. The areas of rounding you. That's going to provide a certain level self-defense. Making sure that people don't come into those areas and the other cool thing is that you will have a lot of blackberry attack you'll have swimming Blackburn. You'll have people hating them that's fine. They're high energy he easy to prepare and it makes them really great desserts. You know if you're looking for something. Data will a bit of extra sweetness to your food. Blackberries are definitely good way to go and those Thornton. Mentioning will provide a definite self-defense. Measure especially if they go crazy. Of course you might have to be a situation where you actually put them back every so often but generally speaking a blackberry mine in your backyard or more accurately your neighbor's backyard. That's no longer there and you're not gonNA GONNA be using that for farm. Hey you all of a sudden got a really great self-defense. Measure and yet he's going to fly with roses as well. Don't the only thing to keep money too. If you do use Rosa's Bush's you'RE GONNA need to keep a certain distance away from the rest of your plants because most roses will also produce a basically basically a poisonous substance in the area around them as a form of self defense. This is one of the reasons you whenever you see rose bushes. You don't see a lot of other plants around them so so I mean obviously the roses are going to be a gray self defense of themselves because of the thorns so definitely use the machine possibly figure out a way to get away. Was it but keep in mind that they do other plants in that particular area for that matter. Any with thorns is going to be a really great self-defense. Measure Asia just keep that in mind for the clips. Now if you haven't seen e- other small suburb like the place. You're going to have parks pre apocalypse. They're going to be nephew. They'RE GONNA BE WASTING PLACES TO GO and relaxed but the bottom line is that when he started getting post-apocalyptic situation. You've also got got a ridiculous amount of area you can actually use for me here on Victory Gardens and actually use US parks or something a little bit more practical with really cool. Is that a lot of parks are built science on some sort of national waterway. This means they're basically self watering you shop near Gatien situation very quickly very efficiently. Also keep in mind that you won't have to worry about anybody worry about whether or not you're collecting rainwater and is yes. There's certain areas you're GONNA have to go through rigmarole order set that up but once he sits that's no longer worry so basically when it comes down to it. TV You've your backyard set up you basically have small beginning. If you're not gonNA use your farmers are sorry if you're not gonNA use your neighbors fields for the purposes of farming then. Hey good puts blackberry bushes and rose bushes all over the place the prickly they're nasty people are going to avoid going into them at all costs. Was He apocalypse hits. All the rules are often can go ahead and use the park. Shell simple that was plus if you hydroponic which means you're actually actually using your houses that are nearby to race farms as well that gives them a certain level self defense in the form of visibility so also a little uh-huh strategy and a little bit sneaky head. You should be good to go for the apocalypse. Talk you later evening.

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Episode 163: Contraception Part 2

PodcastDetroit.com

27:13 min | 11 months ago

Episode 163: Contraception Part 2

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT network visit. WWW DOT PODCAST DETROIT DOT com for more information the views and opinions expressed on this. This show do not necessarily represent those of the network its advertisers owners or sponsors welcome shot of history contraception part too. ooh I couldn't even I couldn't even start that perfect perfect. Cut that off. No that was great. That's live previously on shot of his. Sorry rules fucking on shot history contraception people represented by two separate yet equally important groups the people trying to fuck and the people trying to prevent their stories excellent. I don't like how they feel. I don't like how they feel. I got mine on all right so yeah so before we get into it we got so to speak. Yeah so so Moore contraception last time while while. Everybody's pulling their shots we talked about Spermicide jellies we talked about She threw up that Dick. What's that we talk about? Oh the pull out method to recap we did that. Talking about Atacama live pulling praemium Ray. the version and tonic. I've tried all all of these methods. Cheers rickets scurvy. I now have scurvy honey on your Dick is not a good idea. That is Some goodwill that that was Willett love will will it. What they're well we'll it will get? Get you drunk all right so where I left off was diaphragms caps in a UH either uterine devices? The I the Yeah so I still don't know how they work and I had a China so what's going on what the way of China's work or the or how babies are made because the win a man and woman love each other. Oh my kitchen so as it should come no surprise but Bunch there you know as long as there's been sex there's been ways to prevent babies and so we we had condoms. We had The the Douche in the suppositories and all that this also essentially a suppository story. We're talking diaphragms. If you put this in your book you're guaranteed to not get pregnant so can get pregnant from bucks. So for centuries this many items were used as diaphragms leaves pretty a kind of we're talking like oak or maple. I would hope not poison ivy shit to help me. Yeah it's it's a really deep. It may be the origin of scratching the ITCH. So Yeah so leaves This one the surprising lemons. I was super surprised the acidity but like like an entire lemon the London itself. So I'm I'm guessing maybe cut in half so at least I would holy knocking at. Yeah Yeah I in there red and hope for the best and and sponge. It's the which we talked about the the gene and tonic. Go to the tonic. Just say that like life is horrifying for a woman. It's so horrified. It sounds like you all have to consider so so much more. So here's my religious coming out. There was a prayer. Pharisees used. To pray so pharisees used to say I thank you God that I am not a The first thing that they believe they would say is that I am not a woman is the very first thing that they would say in their prayer. Yeah I'm not a woman around Samaritan things like that but thank God that they were not a woman in the more. I hear this episode. I'm like thank God like my wife has to go through so much thank you. I got a lot of female friends and just all the fall the shit that were my friends. It's like Oh my God all the Kostic vaginas out there so cost. Glad my shits on the Outside just put it that way. I'm glad my shit on the outside and not what y'all got seems like this. What am I getting babies? uh-huh it it got me into movie but it's a native Americans tale about teeth and that China. Oh Yeah Oh yeah. It's called teeth isn't it. Yeah but I read. I story when I was like fifteen. Thank you oncle. Yeah like when do when do my vagina teeth come in yeah. The movie is literally literally all teeth. Nothing's opens happened in those Jana. Golden John vaginas CANTATA teeth. It's I love that Mov- walking weird and and I love it. Only because the guy was like trying to be arraigned Wisdom teeth and only comes in for some people a hey but somebody somebody invented something so that you can use. There's inside his anti rape device. It's it's it shouldn't have obviously up. It's a female condom with a reverse bar. So if you're GONNA go to the bar put this in before you go just to get raped because you basically have how interesting. Yeah yes so fucked up off the so yeah so we got our. We're going back to eighteen. Eighty two WHO doctors see Hassi. Pseudo name was William MMA Singa thing was it was credited with inventing the diaphragm So I think that's probably one of the more well known female anti pregnancy devices as I've heard of it but I don't know the structure I I mean it's a sponge. Let's just be honest. Let's call it what it is literally jam like the thing that you clean your pants with like all combined of sponge but probably not with the scrubby side not with the scrubby side not scrubby side so so so doc you should notice that. There's a the the theme of males coming up with these however we get an eighteen eighty three aletta Jacobs The first female been like y'all motherfuckers don't know what's going on so she motherfuckers Dono no shot yeah. She described a vulcanized cap known as the Dutch cap and it was integral integral circular watch spraying and covered the upper vagina and cervix. So this was the first circle cap. Yeah yeah so it is very much like the I I you D In in essence of what. It's trying yeah. I think I was just like an extra. Yeah we just got like a manhole cover for the cervix. That's yeah right. Yeah so some other series of manhole cover literally or a woman cover so there were other. Ud's you know inserted a literal caps like what you're kind of like the Dutch cap APP and some other methods of basically preventing pregnancy Was a silk Ring that you'd basically would be surgically inserted tied off around the cervix. The cervix could never open up enough to allow allow. Yeah Yeah it's guy. Yeah that one by dude with by a dude Male all Dr. Oh let's just tie this one off. Yeah well I'LL YUP early. Nineteen hundreds female economies. Become more prevalent They were also made of rubber so also made also made of rubber. Not You know. Oh it's the rubber. Had A real heyday at one point. I and then so in Nineteen ninety-two we get into polyurethane female condoms because people are thinking like oh well you know maybe maybe latex and rubber and all that maybe people are actually allergic to it so we get the polyurethane female condoms designed to line the Vagina Were introduced and so a lot of this information I should preface does come from UK research like we know the British Pound Research. This part of the teeth. I ran out of time to write. Dentistry dentistry has been around for a long time store. Bad Brits so in two thousand one the the first cap made from silicone becomes available so we we've gone from rubber to to pull your pain. Hey we've been putting this stuff in boobs for awhile. Awhile wonder what it'll do for the WHO. Yeah why is your Labia so big. Oh my ah I took no no. That's which she said she didn't late late. Ninety nine hundred ninety s and early two thousands nineteen eighteen nineteen twenties thirties. I don't know sometime in the nineties. Sometime in the nineteenth sometime in the nineteenth so oh like You know eighties nineties somewhere in that timeframe I didn't write it down but I do remember reading it This one we start getting the the more traditional so you dis so like the new harangue and and all that right here it's a surgically implanted thing that's also got It's also like a slow hormonal monal release agent That's in the in the plastic to find vring do for like no I used to or you used to now. What do you use your personal six? I'm just going to tie hope it. A Prayer Oh oh your brain more no one there are some that are really designed just to be irritating like they're they're designed to keep an egg even if it gets fertilized sized from implanting. Yes I mean yeah. They're just just designed to be rotating. Yeah just designed to be a thorn in your side so to speak or in your home or in you guys get the easy out there like okay might have to put a little thing guy just a little. It's okay yeah yeah. Yeah it's like out for the and the over is yeah. Yeah no it. There's some pretty archaic methods out there like you said the Silk The silk rope tie off off one was I I found that is that seems just a bad not a horrible idea. Yeah yeah then it's like okay. Well like how. How tight do you have to get it and like stuff stuff falling dying from the crisis like you have? It's not done properly. I mean silk it's pretty inert so but still the no doughnuts love love God no all right so another form of contraception is natural family planning because that works so well. That's the rhythm the method harder than we can. So in the nineteen thirties and forties we have improved understanding of ovulation in temperature changes that lead to the development and use of the temperature method so found work. Yeah so you're monitoring monitoring the the temperature of the version if you will. Yeah so oh you so you get these kind of weird how their advanced society. We're just fucking Moron and get over here. I'm going to take this. Mercury filled the thermometer. I'm GonNa take your temperature if you know what I mean. Today it's all Hey baby maybe why. Why do you keep coming home with big? Thermometers A in nineteen sixty four sees the advent of the billings method also known as the ovulation elation or cervical mucus method. And this is this show gets less and less fun. The more we get into the episode is really realize tax. Real getting real. Yeah can we talk about slavery. Yeah so so. That's one method just monitoring the changes in cervical mucus. Because now we're getting into the real technical stuff. Society has advanced. You're not getting pregnant today. All right we're good. A are about a court low ma'am and then. In the nineteen ninety s we get the beat the thermal method which combines all fertility indicators and is highly effective so this is the menstrual based on the menstrual cycle temperature temperature urinary hormone saliva. So it's it's more ankle full medical full medical workup to just be like yeah you you might may or may not get pregnant and nobody's getting pregnant. Yeah no one's getting pregnant tonight after this episode IV clenching so hard time. I know it's in Christ all right. So Oh so the little bit more in depth on the IUD's eighteen eighty six server co he her back Os this is. The cervix uterus stem was developed These are small button slash cap shaped attachments on stems. uh-huh made of different materials which extended into the cervix which tended. Yeah so so obviously getting more into the like this is the fucked up shit that women have to do everything before it was all like. Oh well the guys a have kind of like as SOx get put on account guys are like Argo Mine. Also Yeah Louis is So yeah here. It is nineteen o nine the first Specifically designed you not a ring of Silkworm Gut was made by. Dr Are Richter so this is the one that was like oh that seems like Richter Richter scale. I I don't aw I hope not like. Oh it's like Oh. I've often different kinds of earthquakes. I've stopped all this pregnancy. Now I'M GONNA go figure out how how earthquakes right down the scale and I'm going to apply it to the bedroom. Nineteen Twenties Graefin. Berg develops the silver ring. Same kind of concept ninety sixty to the population council this is a British thing convened for its first conference offered some. Ud's this helped establish the ud a medically safe ineffective contraceptive method. Yes yes yes I'm getting thing. Yeah sticking up there it'll be it'll be alright really be good So filling out better than I saw at least right so they go from silver then then lethal they go from silver than the nine hundred sixty S. It's plastic and then one thousand nine hundred eighty nine they go to a copper. Ud so the the like ooh plastic. No we're going to go back to metal to kill to kill off all the nasties if you will and then nineteen ninety-six the hormone releasing devices devices. which is more what we're familiar with now the for the UD's as in a cop or kill sperm? Yeah I mean I know if you drive to copper. Nail into the end of a tree will kill the tree off so I guess. Maybe it'll kill the baby. I don't get it but that's what it is. That's where that's where it is a metal in the vagina. That's that's where now we're back to Alabama thing being a penny for your g spots yes So everything from here on out is essentially is essentially hormonal contraception whether it be oral or whatnot Moral worth ooh Yes yes So the the the most interesting oral contraception Dates back back to the early Romans swallowing all man. The old the old Roman. So Oh you love the room. Yeah so talk about the the meal. Contraception hasn't been approved. No no not yet not yet. So there was a plant called Sil Sil fiamme giant fennel relative the the Romans essentially fucked it out of existence. It was such a popular oral contraceptive. A tincture that you take of this plants Elliott's ground up seeds that you would take all month to prevent pregnancy and the Romans essentially fucked it out of existence. They I used it so much. They drove it to extinction. They're like Oh. Yeah so we're trying to bring back dinosaurs but we're not doing this so there's a there's a theory that because the the shape of the seed of this plant is kind of heart shaped that's where you get the the normal normalized idea of like. Oh love you know hearts and that associated because the Romans were like Oh look at the Z.. Prevents it prevents this seed for become a Nazi so so yes so I feel like you're scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could. They didn't stop to think. Yes yes back to dinosaurs. Yeah so AH in one thousand nine hundred and we're GONNA go way ahead in time so nineteen forty-five we start getting into The steroids sir. Yes this the steroidal methods of like a protester and that That kind of stuff to actually begin in the process of mostly for women all actually pretty much all for women of just preventing pregnancy on. They're not necessarily the male Stopping from the problem. We're fodder yeah. We are property so is just about controlling the Kevin so there was so nineteen nineteen forty-five Syntax S. A. is is created. It's a hey it's a plant steroid Made from Mexican yams that is like the early birth can an early birth control. And then we move on to. Let's see let's skip to the nineteen eighty because we're also rem long show. That's he's given over a lot of time. I don't know nineteen eighties. Onwards pills containing new projections were developed new. What I'm Gesturing pills so drug right now Ryan. Gesturing ought to induce mothers now sites not birth control. Now we don't know now we're guys so you've reading facts and you looked up online. Okay so I might be wrong because I am a little drunk but I think that that is what they give to induce Labor birther could be. Yeah I mean it's cheated on contraception though. How's how's it used Catholic? I guess that's what I'm trying to understand. I always hear of it for probably be more guests and I didn't do much research into this. 'cause we don't have yeah. Well fuck yell out later visits so protester may also be the estrogen. Estrogen released during During the menstruation cycle so it causes like You know causes the uterine wall to to shed or whatever so the the egg never never ball never is able to chat to tach so yes. We're getting really working really deep into this. I'm hoping at this point. We were still having fun. But it's fine. What's fun wants to talk about the the band version of Devenir to women who can actually correct on? Do you have on their the men's burst. Yeah that's not okay. So it's interesting because they're men's birth control actually has less side effects than most women's birth control but was yet not approved. The male hormone. I was like I'm bored. Says that if men approved birth control that wouldn't beat it will hopefully be approved at one point. Hopefully you'll get approved at some point because that would be wonderful men could get pregnant contraception. I should be available in a six pack and if men could get pregnant vans birth control would be approve when it has less side effects than women's perspective me done done of course there's always the emergency contraception blending being But you can't get in Alabama but that's okay. Ah Fuck you Alabama these. These emergency can't go there either. Emergency contraception 's start are taking shape in the late eighteen. Forty s really. Yeah Yeah and then They really come into their own more in the yes in the late nineties early two thousands as a as a more viable more viable method And then Ah Yes time to talk about the secretaries. The secretary means never having to say. You're sorry the Septum is most most And the easiest easiest way to prevent a baby because it's less labor intensive of a it's easy to take. It's better to take the bullets out of the gun than it is to rely on the bulletproof vest. That's all I'm saying. Yeah all right so on that note we're going to end it on cutting cutting dudes balls off pop up plugs apply Shadow his shot of history is great. You're listening to the show so listen to it more look for our patriots coming steamy really our shower sonnets. Hedgehog hedgehog in the newsroom. I'm just GONNA call the newsroom and as always fuck Steve. Okay so Calvin seven point two tours also Leading questions with more check them both out Leading questions we'll have more is of course on the podcast Detroit network so boom they go and just just podcast Detroit. All the things Stephanie. MANAR DOT COM. All of your Stephanie. Miller needs all of them all of them all she's the price helper out with anyone. And Yeah so until next time. I'm calling maybe deaf. I'm south I'm Calvin and still Dave.

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Fragrant Plants Indoors, Eating Spruce Tips, and Plantrama Seattle

Plantrama

18:28 min | 1 year ago

Fragrant Plants Indoors, Eating Spruce Tips, and Plantrama Seattle

"This is plant Rama with Ellen Sako said myself C L Nari. It's the podcast for everyone who has ever grown eaten or wondered about plants today. We're talking about fragrant plants indoors how to eat spruce. Tips and polite Rama's Seattle, and let's start out with what's for dinner because spruce tips Ellen. You know, I remember you'll Gibbons in that grape nut commercial ever. Eat a pine tree. Many parts are edible used to say I worship at the altar of you'll I love his writing. I think he did great work, and he was absolutely right. Many parts of a pine tree are edible, but many parts of well, actually, I'm just talking about the spruce needles today. Specifically spruce tips are when they're tender and. Flexible in spring are a really wonderful thing to add to both sweet and save ridiculous. They've got a fresh lemony flavor. Some people also compare the flavor to that of Rosemary, and they are chock full of vitamin C. So these of yeah. So these have been used historically as a T in in win while year round. But especially in winter when sources of vitamin c were hard to come by and people used against scurvy, which is a horrible horrible disease, and and consuming spruce tips among other evergreen tips was a really great way to get some vitamin c into your diet. Well, this is interesting. I've never tried spruce tip. But I I'm definitely going to do it this spring. So tell me how long at what stage. Do you pick them when they're one inch? You know, how big you you actually have some leeway here. And that's one of the things I love. About harvesting spruce tips is the season is a little bit longer than for a lot of other wild edibles as soon as those tips are visible. You know, when they're first come out there tiny, and they're covered with a little bit of Brown payment sheath, you can harvest them right then and there or you can wait a couple of weeks, and they may be as long as two or three inches in which case the needles will have almost fully expanded. But it'll still be really clear just by looking at them, which are the young tips because they'll be a much different color, and when you touch them, they won't be sharp and prickly. Like, you'd expect a spruce needle to be they'll be soft and feathery so you can harvest them anywhere from the first emergence to the time when they start to harden, and this may be as much as three or four weeks, and you may have a tree growing next to another tree, and they'd be maybe at very different stages of growth. Obviously you get more spruce tip. If you wait until they expand. But I think the flower the flavor I think the flavor is a little more concentrated if you harvest them when they're still young and tightly packed. If I work cutting spruce tips off of my spruce tree should I leave a little bit of that new growth in order for the plant to have some fresh foliage or do I take the whole thing off? Does it hurt? The look of the plant to remove the entire thing. I remove the entire tip. But each spruce branch will usually produce two or three hips at the end of the branch. So what I do is work my way around the tree in a circle and I- remove one tip from each branch. I never remove a lot of tips from a single area and that will allow the spruce to keep its its natural shape. And they're soft enough that you can just. Use your fingernail and just pinched them right off the end of the branch. Okay. Well, I'm giving it a try. I have one final question about this. You mentioned that people used them. You know, they saved them for the winter for vitamin C. How would you preserve such thing? There's a couple different ways. You can do it. First of all, I freeze them. You don't have to blanche them. You can just just freeze a whole bunch in different bags and put them in the freezer. The couple other ways you can preserve them is if you you can mix them up in a food processor with either sugar or salt, and if you do it with salt that's great sprinkled on route vegetables, and the salt helps preserve it. If you do it with sugar the sugar also acts as a preservative and you can use that in shortbread cookie. And also, what's my favorite preservative of all time alcohol. Thank you. Yes. There you go. If you put spruce tips in a blender with either vodka or gin and let that sit for about eight hours, and then strain off the spruce tips, you have this lovely flavored spirit that makes a wonderful cocktail base. And I have one that I call the Mary woodsmen that is based on a a spruce tip spirit. That's quite flavorful. Well, I'm going to definitely do this this spring, and I will be toasting both you and you'll Gibbons. C L for our plant new section today. I want to talk about a term that might sound a little odd to some people. And it's the term forcing we hear about forcing bulbs indoors, and forcing branches of flowering shrubs in early spring force doesn't generally have like a pleasant connotation to it in most aspects of life. But when it comes to plants it actually is a lot of fun to do it. Kind of sounds like you're standing over a plant with a weapon and saying grow blow or else. Well, actually, forcing is just when you produce something out of its normal season. That's kind of a simple definition, right? Yeah. But it's a good one. And I think anybody who's ever been to a flower show in the middle of winter and looks at all these things that are in bloom when they normally wouldn't be in bloom will understand what we're talking about. Because those plants have been forced into bloom by a manipulation of almost always temperature and sometimes light as well. Yes. Sometimes light as well. And I think that most people are familiar with forcing from paper white narcissus if you. Yeah. You know, you bring paper white narcissus bulbs into the house, and you give them water and warm temperatures in the wintertime, and they grow as if it's spring, and that's what I think most people are familiar with. But you can force branches of flowering shrubs. And trees that normally bloom in the spring, you can cut them now in January and bring them in the house and have them flower. Okay. So this this I'm so glad you said that because I was I didn't know you could bring them in now. So here's here's my question. Yes. I have a flowering quince that I planted almost not quite two years ago. And it's growing like crazy, and it gave me great fruit this year, I was really pleased with it. And it's got a couple of branches that are kind of you know, crazily like three feet taller than the rest of the plant. Right. So I'm obviously going to prove this. But I didn't wanna do at the end of the growing season because I knew that that was the wrong time of year to prune. And I thought I needed to wait until like March or maybe late February when the buds formed, but are you telling me, I could cut those branches now and bring them in and they would flower. Yes. In from from say, mid January on all of these things have had a long enough cold. Period. And of course, they formed their flower buds sometime in July or August. So the the buds are there. They've had a doorman season. And they are ready to open up as soon as they have the clues and the clue for these plants is warmth, right and water that helps too. So for Cynthia is a great example, I often tell people field got a nice day in January get up there and Prunier forsythias and then bring those branches in the house and stick them in a vase of water in two weeks, or so you will have gorgeous yellow flowers at the time of year when you need it most I love that. Because you're getting two for one, you know, you're doing the pruning which needed to be done anyway. And you're getting this bonus of having sort of an early breath of spring inside so Yippee indefinitely doing that. Ellen what the questions that? I hear from people frequently is what can I grow as a house plant that smells good inside. You know, we love our indoor greenery for so many reasons, but frequent to Stephan it Lii one of them. Right. So let's spend some time in our eat drink grow talking about fragrant plants for indoor's. Tell me one of your favorites. I'm gonna say this one I not because it's my favorite because I wanna beat you to it because I'm sure it's on your list too. Air is an orchid called on city, Sherry baby that has wonderful fragrance to it and on city kids are really easy to grow their drought tolerant. They've got those big fat pseudo bulbs at the bottom of the plant that storm moisture, and if you have a west or south facing window, you can grow this plant with you know, once a week watering, and the flower, people smell is very subjective. Some people say it tastes like chocolate is smells like chocolate. Some people say it, smells like vanilla. I have decided it smells like creme brulee, and I love this plants of very pretty orchid, and I find the fragrance irresistible, and it's a reliable bloomer once a year only once a year, but the blooms will last for four to six weeks, if you if you take care of it, right? And of course, every time I look at it. Then I get that old song Sherry baby on my head. Named after that. I never thought of that before if if I could sing I'd how met now. But I can't. So I won't well, let's go onto another plant that I want to be you'd with the punch on because I'm sure it's on your list. And and that's the mayor lemon. This is a plant that you get two for one. You get the fragrance of the blooms and you get the fruit. Right. So and frankly, it's most citrus, right? Yes. Citrus have fragrant flowers. So whether it's a Calamuddin citrus or a lime or a lemon or an Oregon. I'm caught it come, quote, if you've got a citrus plant indoors, you've got fragrance and very frequently. They are blooming in the wintertime when you really need that fragrance indoors most. And it's a lovely fragrance to mine next suggestion, and I was really afraid you were going to say this instead of Meyer lemon. Was Hoya carnesecca? You know, I have I have a giant Hoya tattoo running from my toe to my hip, I'm committed you can't you can't miss it. I am omitted. I am. I am committed to my love for this plant, and almost all Hoyas have very fragrant blooms, but Hoya car Nossa is the one that people are most likely to find in in garden. Centres Hoya puja Kayla. Cts is probably my favorite fragrance. I kind of describe it as being halfway between a lilac and gardenia. It's just an enchanting fragrance beautiful flower and the plant itself, even when it's not in bloom is lovely to look at and very easy to grow. Let's talk about another one that people will find in their supermarkets at this time of year and box stores. And they usually find it growing in a circle. It is the winter jesmyn, oh, see I didn't. That's what you were going to say. Okay. I know what you say. But let's talk about winter. Jasmine, I because it's actually very widely available both at garden centers. And as I say, it supermarkets growing around a ring usually it blooms naturally in the winter in places like northern California where you can grow it outside, and it's hardy and it's jazz. Minimum pollyanna, Tim. Well, I would say to people if you buy a jazz been like this first of all look for one that's not fully open yet. Look for one that has buds on it. But the flowers aren't all open then you'll enjoy that fragrance for a longer period of time. That's number one number to be sure and protected as you carry it from the store out to your car. If it happens to be ten degrees out into tall. But you can do serious damage to the plant. I toasted the flowers on my mother's jasmine one time by opening her sliding door right next to the play. Plant in Wisconsin. When it was minus ten outside and the cold air coming in the slider did all her flowers in. And boy was she unhappy with me was, you know, before we leave the topic of jasmine, I had a different Yasmine on my list. It's jasmine them somebody, and I actually don't know the common name for this jasmine, but it is definitely a tropical plant, and it's got white flowers that are a little bit larger than the one was describing it's got wonderful fragrance to it too. And it blooms really consistently. I'm not gonna say all year round. But throughout the year, you get a nice fragrance from that. And it's very pretty plant. Now, there are frankly, at least over a dozen varieties of fragrant jasmine that people can experiment with. And if you wanna see a lot of jasmine plants that are fragrant go to low. Jeez. Their site has all these various varieties of fragrant. Jasmine's as well as other fragrant indoor plants, so that's a good source, and we'll put the the link to low. Jeez. On our website just have to say this since you've mentioned low. Jeez. And I you know, they are not the nobody's paying me to say this. I love low. Jeez. So much when I was I know seriously, they are kind of responsible for me being a plant. Geek because one of the very first classes, I took was for my birthday, I asked everybody to give me money and I did a weekend seminar at low. Jeez. And we did propagation, and we did all this stuff. And it made me believe and understand that I could do this for the rest of my life. I just loved it so much and to me to get in the car and drive to low. Jeez in Connecticut is like field trip. I just love that place. I did not know that you had done that and spent a weekend there, so interesting. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, if you want for grins in doors, you can have it. There are any number of plants. Not just the ones that we have mentioned we will have all the name. Names of the plants that we have mentioned, of course, on our show notes, and, you know, get them and take a deep breath whenever you're in the room. CO? Randall wrote us an Email and ask us if we are going back to the Seattle flower garden show this year, actually, it's the north west flower garden show, and and the answer is a resounding. Yes. Randall we hope we will see you there. Yes. We are going to be doing two things together. First of all we're going to be doing container wars. Right. Duck. Dutton doll. Yes. I know. I'm a little nervous about that. I, you know, you're a fierce competitor. I I hope we don't hurt each other. Let's just make an agreement right now Ellen no sharp plants. Okay. Okay. No sharp. Well, actually, we don't control that. We just get what we take what we're given. Right. They just give us plants, and then we have to do this like we have to grab the plants we want plant containers. And then the audience gets to vote on which is better. I think that's how okay, well, we'll find out the rules. But I'm sure that after the container wars is over we will still be speaking to each other. We better be because we're doing our live plant Rama blood broadcast right after right? And we will be recording our podcast live there in the room at three o'clock in the afternoon. We're going to be talking about unusual edibles to, cultivate, or forage for we're going to inspire people with some plant based cocktails and muck pails, and we are going to be talking about proven strategies. For dealing with thumper and Bambi. That's right. So if any of those topics sound interesting to you, and you're going to be in the Seattle area. Police stop by. I'm sure we'll be giving away fun things to audience members. And we'll also be taking questions. So if you wanna ask a plant Rama question live, we will do that for you. And we would be happy to see you there as always you can send questions that we might address in a future podcast to plant Rama at g mail dot com. And until next week. Don't forget to grow great things. Protect wild places and play in the dirt.

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Asian Doll & Lena The Plug Squash Their Beef Over Adam22!

No Jumper

15:34 min | 1 year ago

Asian Doll & Lena The Plug Squash Their Beef Over Adam22!

"So how's your rollout experience going? But you hit last year has no, I did like to run out them. So I said to be at the one in Miami. I think it's my friends. My anyway. I did other ones. I cited how's it going? Rolling loud. Or are you on balls? What are you doing? Off the Molly. I'm hob life. Did wrong out? You do EDM addition in Colorado balls. However, I never thought of that before. I like wow, we're cutting that. Adam is crazy. I is crazy. You're crazy too, though. Since I last saw you went from a doll to a brat. Let's hear it. All a brand is a dog. I just named daughter that I was it was like it was like, okay we got outta you know, the categories like this the way the dos. Okay. I looked everybody. So it's like, okay I'm a separate myself from them. So I named the Brent. I was not saying, I'm aging, the bread so I won't be like, okay he's going to do the same name, so basically, I'm not afraid to be creative, as you know, step outside the box star new waves nutrients it was just fun to meet just that I do that it was so much going on with the name and stuff like that. Okay. Let me despic- they'll make everything fun. So I won't be too serious. I'm brad. Okay. Look, say, I'm so cool. Everybody think I'm the coolest person on earth. So like okay, salvage like somebody that has ruled by people. I get. Oh, I get mad. I'm a bread. And I just in Japan. And in a guy who was shooting the video. I mean, soon the video he was being so rude to everybody was, like, you know, I was in a band, I was like yo I tend to a brand he was like, oh, I'm going to turn into a break because you play on my people to close. Everybody Japan, so friendly Japan. No, he wasn't from Japan with us. Japan is so funny. I love Japan so much. I want everybody to know like when people were trying to say, like your name you not. You're not Asia. When I went to Japan. I'll walk up these girls was dressed fully like me Donaldson on face Asian dog. They love me. It's like I walk the streets as my skin color. And, and do you know wearing like this to see my head and, you know, they kosher? Nobody never looked at me. Funny. Nobody never like like what, you know, everybody loved me may walk around there and be like ten feet tall. And they wouldn't let America, they get somebody, you ain't you ain't this that you want. I'm. What was the overall? What was your experience of Japan? Do you feel like a change to a little bit as a person, the person it made me realize what Buckeye beach period? Japan. Yeah. Stop playing with me. And then at the same time, it just made me see the world, like I'm from I'm from, like a small town from Dallas, Texas in his Sumita, go to Japan to be on the sixteen hour, flight and land. It's a different type of world, it just made me want to inspire me to keep going, and just keep pushing, you know what I'm saying because I want to do more experiences and go to everywhere else. The world is so big it's so different. I was sitting there, you're not the, the food in Japan is nasty so good like autumn, Dipper type of flavors is so good. I was I'm just so appreciated to that can do the diehard fans who may everything happen for show, but they love me over. I want to I don't know how I try to stay agent. They love me Danka playing well. It's good to know. You gotta cosign, we gotta do China next. I was everywhere Joe. I was drinking sake. I was drunk. I was at the table with them who says laugh, and it was they would teach me language throughout the sake, I was off the stocks, I was, I think, like four I had I, I got these little. For sure. Hey, tell me about the state at ten seventeen. How's it going, you got the double double necklace, very rare coast on double neck. I got a double neck is with the with the links on my fifteen is going good. I'm on love to seventeen. I love everybody. I'm the only female I love Gucci. I love kisha. I'm not the only thing that kiss you too. Have you met kisha bunch of times? What's that? Like, is my mother my mom. That sounds so adorable. He's grew to become, you know, a woman and me being in this industry, and it's like full of males, and in me, I used to act like a little boy. I was I got a girly girl. Vice boy is would be I'd be around all the rappers like a boy. So we'll her. She just teach me, you know what I'm saying. Like have been a woman like my mom was like not aware right now. But kitchen is deputy that figure like she's, you know, helping me talking to me really patient with me known judge me. No sai. No, no, no, no typo no negative Lipton. Like she just don't and I'm just so appreciate it. We'll Gucci to Gucci. Talk to me. See me down. I don't shoot that a lot since I assigned everybody can see that because it just like old Gucci. Yeah. Gucci got better when he's started getting around, you know, people. So right now I'm around. Right. People are great management. I have a great label. I have dope friends. I have a great hair stylist. I have. I have I'm just doing my thing. You know what I'm saying? I'm goes everywhere, with you. My hashtag is everywhere, with me. He's slight me. Yeah. Every day every day. That's amazing. Hey, you know, I was just seeing because the shag is like the big guy haircut in Dallas, right? Yeah. I know because I'm Fresno take okay, my boyfriend. K K yet. The shaggy dope growing up you grow up with a shank or all of Bach's, Mojo. That's what they wear, but shag is like the like jello visi. Have you always wanted to get a busy with a shag? That's what we do. That's like 'cause you know as I've seen as with the Mexican dude version of the shag last night, he got it back. I sat got ahead a little bit at the top edge. Dallas, Dallas is going crazy right now. I feel like you're out. You're part of a movement. There's a homeboy he coming out of them to hone. I even just that at the sexiest moving since the beginning of start ever put my first rep out. I've always been Texas, Texas is to be like around, so his artists, and so many celebrities is, it'd be like, you know, like lab, not only from Texas immediately cows shit. No, I the minute that she I put us on the map, like I, I was not playing like Texas this here. I couldn't really see you working on the farm. I would never I never seen a four. I'm sending out don't believe what movies they got us book, the because we do not be on them. Before the biggest state in, in America Percival. So, yeah, I think about it. Dallas is like a dot in Houston. We the cities we like the big cities like everybody else's country. We the city while we got the downtown. We got all the stuff that's going on the good hotels. Appre. We'd abyss if I was in Dallas when I hear you up, and I said, I need weed. And Anita lean what are you gonna call me? Okay. They've been put up on you right now. Got. We'd a home utterly. I ball. Now I'm gonna Lee. We all know about a week. But we got this shit. There you go. So, so you just been travelling like nonstop, do you get homesick? Yeah. As disappear. It was like, okay say right nights Dorking now right now. I hear it's probably like pie like. Like not even one o'clock pilot early like eight o'clock in the morning. It's, it's different. So I don't get homesick. I get tired, super tired. I'm a super heartbreaking gentler, Japan will kick your ass. You might want to stay in Japan for like a month. If you're gonna go don't go for like a couple of days. Go for a month or some weeks, you know. But don't go for days. Is there anybody who's performing a rolling loud that you were excited to see? I'm excited to see chief Keith. I'm aside of little who has a Megan. I'm excited to see. Save money. I'm actually with performed already full shine anti money. I'm inside of the everybody from Texas. Everybody little baby everybody here. I'm just so happy to be a part of the whole thing. I feel like right now this wave like he's just so much fun for auto new artists and the artists coming up. We have so much fun like it's a blessing to, to be in his, you know, just being atmosphere in Oliver's coming together. Like I'm just walking around people who was his name. Not kicked out black nine the one that's. Cash money, I will say. I'm talking to everybody. So I'm excited to jets. To real life backstage. Everybody. Like all these bad at person. You also see girls at a rolling loud, that looked like the explore page which is kind of wild. Got some good doctors out here. That's all my business. No came up a lot this year. We are. He's talking Christ. What's a couple of years ago? She wanna. Yeah. Yeah. He's crazy. All right. Tell me about the, the music, you're working on the project that's supposed to be coming out this year and shit. Okay job. My project may third is caught on quibble, this shit is so crazy guy. Son owner PNB mean owner, I got I got smoke more jello. I lost so much. You I've been working with, like I've been working for come in who polo g. I'm more salted dirt. Little TJ. Take grizzly. So solitaire, grizzly got to see what meet break in young Miami. I'd ask some shit in his crazy. 'cause like my label not holding me. I'm like, nah, Nah, I won't everybody do they thing. How do you know do they shake? Because when I come I'm coming he's a doll bringing so much fucking energy to the game you off that or all right. Is this all natural? I got ADHD in real life. You don't hear my songs. I know I know but I'm just wondering is this like full natural. I, I got a monster energy over here. So that's all I can explain it. Only catch me turn down if I'm at home. No might affect look, if I'm at home my label I sort of our call my life. I'd be like, please give me time do something I cannot be. See, that's all we know you're going to be a winner. You got that workaholic, gene, you. They'll do drugs out be half life half. Fun your life as a dollars. Good influence, everybody at home right now watching this video, you're thinking, like go to the gym as you go get some money. I get off you to go do something. They'll get something. The first to do something on my. Deng. Bitches. All my young bitches all my business in the hood, I might young girls, I might twins. I might support. It's keep going because y'all see what I have nothing. I started from the and look, I'm at now. So I just wanted to. Yup. On the bottom, my heart I do this for us daursky and girls pretty girls. I'll our raise keep your sheet and fuck these niggers. Thank everything if you don't want to give it to you. You'll be all she don't cry. Get your own shit that way. Huge huge thanks to Asia for coming through. Appreciate. Hey, thank you for not trying to fame on girlfriend either. That would've been count weird telecom. Let's all Rasa real quick. This has got jazz double-o bit get over here. For the first time. I wanna be man, you guys look easy together. Look at this. Look, you guys not style together to come as a knee on his in this is the new clermont's wins. What the does with Asian the bra and Linda the bread. Yeah. The frapp. Thanks for those who don't know. They got into it a little bit in my Instagram com. We didn't look okay? Yeah, I was joking at him. No. Like I don't first of all, I like white boys in a way, I oh, no. Type-c my L was scare me. If he picked it'd be two way what they probably was scurvy, if he packed at big say, peg, he does it doesn't seem like I. I like seventies. I like boys and I was looking I was I was trolling. This is my first troll. Yeah. I don't say cloud as I'm period. So I was coming attache. I was like. We like your side been. I was I. You don't ever answer the phone when you. We heard it went dome, and it was like thousand everybody like vigils Joe got hyped up by the fans occas your fans and her fans were both going to war, and the com-, I used to that I was like, wait in my mind, I was like is she really? Oh, you went there. I was like, what? No, I'm a committed man. He's a comedian and every since I know respectful he's always, he's in the first person who's never ever like ethnic by drama. She always asks him like how you doing? What's going on? He's never asked me by. No opera show you because you never walked out on me with me. I would never wish aid. Oh my God. But you guys I feel like next time you do a video in LA, and I the plug a cameo. Oh my God. Practice on nights work to be the leading lady really stand up in. All right. It's shit yea. The story both. Hey, we out here with my girlfriend, we don't even. Hello. Got slick up. I love you. All right. Ladies sick. This world is aimed against you. This world is set up against you lady. Yes support each other Instagram star, she because I was just playing I'll hill. I'm glad I got troll for once in my life so that I can know that it like that people do it because I always heard about trauma, no one ever heard about your first time. That's crazy. That was my first. I'm trying to let me try. That's crazy. I've never did anything clout. I said, let me try and six nine wait a minute. Testimony, you. She got an awfully he was like, no, she's. Oh, I. I was scared to face, like, nah, I'm down. It's also I was confused. I know you're not the do that. I know that's why I was like I'm against her. This is weird. I roll my guy, and that's how it happened. That's how I learned bus Raleigh. Now, I'm sitting here with miss this. Mr. this is our daughter if anything anything we're raising her daughter. Surrogate mother. All right. Let us know I want to carry it. Keep them out. You have absolutely down. That's crazy. See this is all real, no face tune. I looked better in person. We're now make up James Charles. Do I sound? Hey, I appreciate you guys for coming on. This has been really amazing experience. I feel much more in touch with my feminine side feminine energy right now. The Lilith fair, we blessed to have Adam initiate coolest boy, ever quotas interview ever. I'm just so happy. He's so hip. He's time people up. All that gave me my interview, like, just like s me dope, questions really put my music. They're posting you know, I'm just appreciate it to everything. I'm so glad we got somebody like you. Bless. Thank you. That's good. You like you really put a culture like you really help a lot of artists like a lot of orders like a line drawn show in Dallas. Dallas. We don't do that. Just got in a world Chona's history. You're gonna be a legend boy ready, though so much you asked me up. Due to what I say every tonight like. Oh any. It's all like yeah. Things on the man out here. I appreciate your girls. Thank you so much.

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Is Loss of Insulin or Thyroid Hormone a Deficiency States,

Menopause Management

24:57 min | 2 years ago

Is Loss of Insulin or Thyroid Hormone a Deficiency States,

"Listeners. This is menopause Taylor bringing you the state of menopause the world today. I love it. When I can talk about something in a different light. Now, everything I talk about has to do with minimum. That's what that ought to be. Everything is menopause. I eat drink sleep the breed. Everything's medical. But sometimes I think it's good to change your perspective on how you address applause and. I wanna talk to you today about nigga pause just a little bit differently than you might ever thought about it before. And this video this this writ recording is so important because it might be the most critical one in terms of how you think about menopause, and when you when you're thinking about it in the big picture since I think that kind of sets the stage for how you choose to manage it. So. I want you to view menopause as an estrogen deficiency state. You know, we all have preconceived ideas about menopause estrogen things like that. But settle that stop aside. I want you to think about it as a deficiency state deficiency state is situation in which body lacks something that it needs in order to function properly, and there are all sorts of deficiency states. So for instance, if you have a vitamin deficiency, it means you don't have enough of a particular item at so what if you have vitamin c deficiency if you had vitamin C fishy. You would eventually have some cult scurvy. So after about one month without vitamins, adequate vitamin C. You would start noticing symptoms. You would feel tired your arms and your legs you'd be really sore your hair might get kind of curly. And then if it surely you've noticed symptoms, Eddie dicate inadequate red blood cells like your gums would start bleeding will you might start bleeding your skin and as the scurvy worsened over time. You would notice poor hold healing personality changes and eventually you would die from infection or bleeding now. Nowadays, scurvy is very uncommon developed, countries and treatment is really simple. I mean, people take vitamin c supplements by mouth all the time. Even if they don't unified of it's either diet, and if you had a vitamin C to fishes, and you started taking some a supplement where you started eating vitamin C, you would notice improvement in your symptoms in a matter of days and with just a couple of weeks you and have complete recovered. So all. Everybody has a syndrome associated with a deficiency of that by any single one of them by replacing the division deficient vitamin. So that's why there are so many multivitamin formulations in all the stores because the fact is people's diets are not that week anymore and in this country, they strip everything out of the food and try to port by with artificial or of nutrients, so we compensate or prevent vitamin deficiencies by taking multivitamins class. There are all sorts of added supplements in foods to order in order to prevent vitamin deficiencies. So switch gears a bit. What about that'd be diabetes type one. Now, this is where you have a deficiency of insulin. And we. Yes. Lem your blood sugar levels are too. And what happens when your blood sugar levels remain too. High will nut including blindness nerve damage. Kidney failure skin ulcers, stroke, heart disease, diabetic coma and efficiently death. Is probably the worst of the deficiency. Diseases and it's all too common. How do you treat it? Taking lynn. And if you don't take it, slim, it'll just get worse and worse and worse and worse at a digitally you start losing one's than you. Go flying kidney failure it up. So. A deficiency is something that will kill you. It will kill you. Because you your body cannot function without the subsidies. Now, there's other deficiency disease. Hypo thyroid is a that's pretty common high. Bo needs to middle thyroid ISM means thyroid hormone. So hypothyroidism means you don't have enough thyroid hormone, and it's a really common problem for mid apostle women, so many women start having problems with too little flowered hormone at the time of been a false. So what are the symptoms of Hypo thyroid? Well, you have an inability to tolerate cold temperatures you have fatigue. You have constipation you N, depression, and your Winky and once again treatment is Rian simple. It just have to replace what's missing, which is ROY hormone. There are even supplements added to food. So that you just don't have to worry about these deficiencies. You know, you have I dis salt you have fluoride toothpastes. There's all kinds of these walk up and down any grocery store. I'll and look at how many foods are fortified something. So I ask you. What's different about estrogen deficiency? How is estrogen deficiency differ from any other deficiency state? Whether you're talking about vitamin deficiency, insulin deficiency or fireworks. I mean, the bottom line menopause is you run out of something. The chew body needs. Did you notice this some of the symptoms of these other deficiency states sounded a lot like the symptoms of minerals? So what? Would rimon. Choose to live. In a state of estrogen deficiency win. They wouldn't choose to live in a state of a vitamin deficiency or insulin deficiency or thyroid hormone deficiency. I mean, why would why would estrogen deficiency vio Kate A and the others. Not be okay. Isn't this a good question? I mean, I like to look at things in ways just kind of make you put it into perspective with regard to other things in the world. So I don't know. I don't know why we would look at this. As a different kind of the fact is that nearly every part of the female Bonnie is dependent on Trajan and without it. We also comes that manifest in all areas of our Bonnie. Then issue we have all sorts of symptoms that NAT that episode every manner to we have Israel's dose emotional symptoms, psychological. Chason does. Just like all these other deficiency states. Yeah. Short term symptoms that disrupt your quality of life, which are the hot flashes nights weds, insomnia fatigue forgiven list mood, swings irritability depression. Oh, yeah. The breast pain joint pain, dry skin hair loss hair growth, your problems that it will dry weight gain decrease sex drive acne headaches. But just like the deficiency states. For vitamins or insulin or hypothyroidism? You also have long term diseases that can even your by. When you have deficient estrogen like, heart attack. Osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, all these things become more risky and more common. In some cases, quite provident. Will you lose Richard? So why is it controversial as to whether or not we should replace our estrogen would it's not controversial. As two D as to the need to replace a vitamin deficiency. Or insulin or third. Katrina. The matter is women. Women scared. About the risks of estrogen, and they really been left in the dark about the benefits of estrogen. Interesting to me. Most of the don't go, wait a minute. Does this make any sense? I think I look at everything where I just have this analytic approach to everything I wanna compare contrast and ask questions. So when you look at this way, it makes you go, wait a minute. Wait a minute. What's going on? Have you ever heard the saying diamonds girl's best friend? Well, maybe maybe estrogen maybe it's our best friend from puberty until death. So. Some women say. Did Apollo's is natural normal. Why replace estrogen would menopause really isn't a disease, but wait a minute. Let's look at the word disease disease comes from two words. What is this DIS that Latin that needs away from the others EAS E AFC, that's French east? So together, the word disease needs away from ease. So what do you think does Minna pause? Take you away from es. And if it does. Is it an estrogen deficiency state that warrants estrogen replacement? You see the answers are yours. I like to pose questions because no one's opinion matters. But yours I like to get you to think about things so that you don't operate solely under the auspices of soundbites misinformation that are all around the world today. I want you to think about things logically analytically and really come to terms with your own answers for yourself. So you might ask why would mother nature make us become estrogen estrogen deficient middle age. Is she didn't intend for us to live out the rest of our lives. It an estrogen deficient state and a lot of women think it's natural to live without issue for the second of our allies. But there's a actually factual answer to that. Mother nature did not intend for women to live without estrogen. She intended for us to die. At about age forty seven before we ever reached menopause. The only reason we have long been we're supposed to live in the only reason we live long enough to run out of estrogen is because of our Vance's in science. We were never supposed to live in a metropolitan state at all we were supposed to die. So the vast majority of animals don't have it a puzzle factor only to animals on earth other the humans have menopause. They are the killer whales and the pilot whales at the killer. Whalen pilot will world minimal serves a function that the reproductive females can. For humans menopause serves no function. We absolutely have no reason to be here. What's also? I mean mother nature's how're bunch of not reproductive. Bitta causal ambles going to contribute to procreation. They are so mother nature make sure most animals die when they finished reproducing. So we humans are define mother nature's laws by living long enough to experience estrogen deficiency minute falls. So. How do you say? Oh, well, I'm not supposed to run a veteran. But I did. But so what I'll live that way. Or do you say, wait a minute. It's an estrogen deficiency state like any other any other deficiency state? It should be it should be compensated. So one of the great things about all this education is that there are so many great ways to compensate for estrogen loss. Even if you don't wanna use estrogen itself, you see the goal if the way to find is to find a way to give your body the benefits that estrogen used to provide and you can do that with actual estrogen itself or you can do that with something else. Sometimes you can use this non-hormonal at all. Sometimes it could be diet or exercise or cackle herbs but could duty to compensate somewhere. Somehow, I have to understand all the great things estrogen did for you before you can go attempt to compensate for it. Because you don't know what something does the first place. It's hard to replace its purpose. Right. So I I sometimes think. What would happen if men suddenly became deficient in their tips Dostram? I mean, suddenly like, of course, you're like we do. I mean, do you think they would just say, oh, well, I guess this was the live without it seem it never run out of all they're just after they always have some they never run out about a whole kit. They never run out we run out completely empty empty. So I bet you if men had loss of their to strip. They would be replacing it in a heartbeat. I mean, there would be an ATM on automatic testosterone machine on every quarter. Edit every building every home because it would be society's most important priority to make sure nomad goes without used us. So. You know? Women handle it differently. It's it's just one of those. Noon moves to saucers age, but it's so gradual, and they never lose all of it. So that's the big difference in the two of us. So men don't really have to Suster deficient. And so it kind of makes you wonder. What it is about this estrogen deficiency. You know? Really what's happening? Will we go through mood applause that have systems is we are really going through with drawl. We are going through withdrawal from something that we need. Now, you usually think withdrawal when you're talking about hall drugs. But it's the same thing if your body is dependent on alcohol or drugs, it's gonna react to its absence. And that is exactly what happens when you lose estrogen. It's drastic at it's pretty intolerable. And it's it is a form of a deficiency. So innocent put your body state of shock. So that's the difference between men and women. You know, wiring nature's women are so different. We go deal with problems completely differently. Women. We use our feelings to deal with our homes. Binny's logic. So we women are estrogen and how do we respond? We become fearful of it. I don't know. That makes sense we decide we should news. We we should live without it. I don't know that that is logical. So I think if men lost all their estrogen they just fix it in replace. They probably wouldn't handle their stocks from loss. The way we have handled our estrogen law. That's sure. So the problem is it memo solar to stop stone replaced. They give themselves too much, and then they become so aggressive that they make a huge mess of the world. I'd be it would just be a mess. So these gender differences are quite fascinating. Aren't they? So. There are there are all kinds of height and scare tactics about estrogen, and I think that it's probably a little overdone because I think we failed to stop and say, wait a minute. How is it that Soviets been so good to us? Suddenly becomes our enemy. I mean where where win win did estrogen. Suddenly go from being your best friend and do all these wonderful things in your body to suddenly be hearing any. I don't get that. How did it? Go for being good to being good bad. All it did was good things. It's just it's just one of those things that I contemplate, and I don't know any other people who do. So I want you to consider this way. And maybe she go read about how loss of any substance causes symptoms and see the common patterns once. I took all the citizen appalls and all the symptoms of. Which is extra two loss and all the symptoms of diabetes, which is insulin loss all symptoms of hypothyroidism, which is I read more loss. And I laid them on top of each other. I'd be nice. I wanted to see what how much they overlapped. Oh my God. There are so many similarities, it's almost as if they're all the same thing. It's almost as if your body has a way a process for dealing with loss of something that it wants to keep it's almost as if your body has a set it's like twenty symptoms in menopause. I've taught TACI that the symptoms twenty two citizen menopause. So when you lose your estrogen twisty to menopause would died us with. It's like that too. There's like twenty symptoms, and then if you replace the missing substance all the symptoms go away and your fine. No harm done. If you don't replace the substance since missing everything it's worse and worse, and it starts treaty into life threatening diseases instead of just symptoms that make you feel crummy. It's the same with all of these deficiency states at recent one of them. And if you look at all of the Masih, these long lists the symptoms and the progression into things that will kill you. It's shocking counteract you because you realize oh, my not it's all say thing. And I've never really I don't hear people talking about Napoles as deficiency state. What I don't know why they don't talk about it as the deficiency state. It seems really obvious to me. I had learned that I look at things differently than most people. But I think that I think it forgetting to see the big picture and forgetting to draw analogies between well, humans and other animals or different diseases within the human existence. I think all of these things help Hugh. Two. Things into perspective. But a way that really makes sense. I always tell them. Why listeners everything should may sense? If something doesn't make sense, then either you're missing a piece of the probation or the person explaining it is trying to sell you something and is trying to tell you anything that's logical because they're really just trying to get you five something to try to persuade you. And I think that's a real shame because everybody should make purpose. It'd be perfectly logical. And if you look at things for their common red look for the common thread, the common principle. I think you're a lot and you help put things into perspective away that helps you do the most logical thing, and I don't know we run out of estrogen. It's just like running out of anything else. Your body freaks out. It goes into shock and goes into withdrawal. It lets you know something's wrong something's wrong. I won't mind. I think that what master back. We don't look at it that way, unfortunately, somehow in the course of our humanity. And over the years we have lost sight of what's really going on. And we have ignored our bodies the'd. To compensate to replace the substance that it sounds very useful in many, many, many different ways. So I think it's look at it as a deficiency state, and you know, I have a YouTube channel, and I presented some of this on YouTube channel as a deficiency state along with all heads of props models will not only do people whose love it. But they shifts. They think of gosh, they had never thought of it before. And when I present these overlapping deficiency stains in show all similarities, it is so shocking, and it's like light bulbs. Go off in Bill story ego over got God. What do you feel so bad? So I think the somebody gifts about two, and I think you need to realize that what she decided yet. There's something wrong with running investor gin. And there's the to make sure your body suffer from the effects of running out of estrogen. And then the next thing is how do you want to fix it? Many alec. How do you want to compensate? So I think that you should try on me for my next radio broadcast which will discuss compensation for loss of estrogen at middle. So I'll say goodbye to you. Now, this has been applause Taylor. Go to my website, which is menopause. Taylor dot BC. All the goodies. I have all for educational purposes. I have no product to sell you. I don't I don't try to tell you how to manage. You're gonna pause. I try to teach you everything you need to know. So the Hugh manager menopause your way, and with grew education and no biases. You can do a great job. And I here to help you. So I'll talk to you gain the next broadcast. Thank you for listening yet. And I'll talk to your gates by.

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