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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 160: Featuring Rob Scuderi

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 160: Featuring Rob Scuderi

"Who everybody? Welcome to episode one hundred sixty of spitting chiklis presented by new after damn vodka. But say Hello to the gentlemen today. Let's go to biz. I this time out, and we're actually where are you? When the desert right now you travel on north of the border. All lock up your daughters at wives where I got a nice hot day tonight to Vancouver. British Columbia heard of it. All you. Love you longtime up there now. By the way, I want to thank her for coming on. She got a little bit of a chick. Let's bump boys. She's gained about five five thousand Instagram followers, as I asked for people to be somewhat respectful comments you under page. Some people might have missed that part after we had our nice interview with her. So as I said if you do follow her on Instagram, just please be respectful. She's a nice young lady. I had a great time with her about six seven years ago, a crazy situation happen, and we just thought maybe we share it with you guys. So I got a lot more crazy stories that came from. We'll have to tell the Bibi Jones on in coming up here weeks. Bibi. Jones low eskimo brothers would grog next up boy with dog with a sunny sunny ocean behind looking good there, brother. How are you? Yeah. It's great to be here. Still. I'm still here. In case. You guys are wondering. Little bit issue today. I'll just go into that a little later. I don't want us. You know, just tell the story right now. But on all tell it now fuck that. Let's hear it new. I want it snort snorkel snorkel in things norcal. We're gonna go snorkeling. I wanna go snorkeling. Yeah. Honey, Huckle snorkeling and rioting. All right. He's fifteen months old sometimes he's pissed off. He just wants to walk around the whole time. Like so looking around the snorkeling trips store contracts. Well, there's thirty there's twenty five to thirty people on the boat. It's four hours. I'm like, listen. I can't do that. If I wanna go after two hours knows. I mean, I I don't know how long I'm gonna wanna snorkel. I'm good at it. I'm really good at breeding through that thing. I did it when I was younger. But who knows I don't want to necessarily go for three hours. It's the third largest or best reef in the world behind Australia nano somewhere else. Maybe our teen. Are they on the water either way? So we go, and I finally figured out we go to talk to the guy what about a private private boat body. Yeah. Then we can go in when we was. Yeah. A private bomas thirteen hundred dollars. I'm like, are you kidding me? Thirty dollars in by the way, I'm like, whatever like, you know, I'll just go an extra shift at NHL network cover, this, whatever we'll go have a good time ended up paying it ends up being with tax even more. It's pathetic to even admit what happens we go out. There rider starts crying immediately. I'm talking screaming streaming crime. We'll get twenty five minutes on my way. Where's this reef? It's twenty five minutes away. Don't understand far away. This can be finally we get the stream and all of a sudden she gets she gets her. You know, she starts feeling sick too. Rough water I jumped in the water for five seconds. I saw. The sunniest most beautiful ocean along with these incredibly colored fish there was a black fish with like, oh like blue like florescent blue along the side. It was the most incredible five sex. You don't happen. We leave. We were out there for thirty five minutes cost me like fifteen hundred dollars six hundred dollars. The biggest waste of the day. You know, she says driving in still sick to do. These will be like some funding for you to talk about checklists. Yeah. Thanks a lot. I'm looking to pay all to have stuff to talk about chickens. I got plenty to talk about to make these try to laugh, so this whole days been a little bit of a disaster. But after this, you know, what I'm going to go to the golf course tomorrow. I have the NCWA games, and I'm happy as picking shit. I would've give you more bang for your buck for that bucking money. Oh, didn't even have. So she's like can I get a life vest life. I jump in six feet deep while you wearing a life vest, nor you always on do they give one of those survival kit. Like, if you're gonna be in the water for twenty days trying to survive one of those you can't even get horizontal with this frigging life's vest. The she tries go at three feet now is at our stomach hurt. It was just all she wrote. You know, whatever I'm not gonna keep bringing it up. So you saw one one fish, and that was profession one over them back with blue on the side. It was sixteen. It was black. It was like getting it was like a matted black Escalade. So let's let's play a little contest with our followers. Let's see if they can send you the fish that. They think that you saw at the Google search and find it because you probably don't know the name of that fish, correct? No, no, no. But like Turkson Keiko's area water's really bright, and it's black with a very fluorescent color on its side. All right. Let's see maybe people know, they're fishes who are listening, and I'm interested to see what you saw for fifteen hundred dollars. So. Sorry about your luck wit. But so we just got to work harder on the podcast you for your next to add this up snuck onto the alternate road game. Once you see another fish are shock, you realize how fucking vulnerably water last, but not least out produce producer mighty Grenell. Mike you had some fun with the boys Tuesday night. Little Boston at the Cali. Bruins spank, Frankie Borelli in the aisles five nothing. But like a pretty festive time Philipson one my rent on the game. So that was pretty cool to start and. Yeah, it was nice going into Frankie's barn and just spending them over and spanking him. I mean, it was it was all Bruins fans in there. I mean, the whole argument that the call is a hard place to play with singlehandedly disproved last night. It was all Bruins fans. I saw more McEvoy jerseys than anyone. It's a tough look for the for the islanders and their fans because I feel like they can only rise to the occasion when they're either playing against Crosby and the penguins or the fact that Taveras made his return because cause Avery made a comment to Borelli about how when they would play the Rangers. Rangers fans we'd go in there and take over. Well, that's a fact because they played Boston. Boston fans had a Bruins chant going and Dave post about it was legit probably with like five or six minutes left. Let's go. Bruins Shan started in it radiated, the place the whole place was Shannon. It the whole section in front of us was wearing Brune jerseys. Geez. At the tough look for Borelli. And then you gotta chocolate and other point up for Avery. 'cause he was I think Borelli shun that comment. He was like that's not true. Yeah. That's confirmation that for sure Rangers fans took it over if Bruins able to go in there and do it. Hey, shadow to the Pirelli's though, the Bradley's they had a staff for before the game. And after the game mister Baileys restaurant. It's unbelievable that guy. Is unbelievable fantastic Italian food. They did barstool radio. There's well serving pink Whitney's new Amsterdam. And it was a it was a good time. Yeah. I mean, it's a dump you can say what you want it. Cool cool viewing experience at the game. We go into the dump good for the restaurant to be nearby. And the thing about Frank is every every every game every game. Biggest game of the biggest game of my life. Like two games. You're lucky. There's probably going to be more than aids or this year. Just take real figure out every gave talk so much shit. Every game is the be all end. All you just got waxed at home. Bruins fans chanting. Go Bruins go. We want it. Another awful Bruins chant that I've heard we want it it being the cop. If they did that Nassau costing pathetic either way the islanders there might call. They're going to get worked over in the first round it's been a very special year. But they can't score. They can't play offense with these other teams like these are gonna ask you or I don't know if you were going to save it for later, but the char on Martin fight you gotta tip your tap to Martin going up against chara chara. I mean kind of leads into McGregor. Her conversation. He fucking buckled them in and Martin's. No, no, easy pushover. Literally, my next note visits funniest said that Z verse Matt Martin I thought what was really great. It was is e had some major praise for Martin after the game. He talked about them in the view. It's a good clip. We can re tweet it from the chip what's he said. I respect them. He's obviously been the league for a long time tough as nails. He's doing his job for his team. Great job by Jared, had some great things to save just about mine and told career with these dining how you know. It's a it's a dying out right now. And it was a hell of a scrap you. I mean, you gotta have two major balls step in verse Jaro on the ice like that. And I did it actually did kind of feed into a McGregor. Rowzee biz free-for-all chat. We had was actually just going to say up. I was sitting next to fight Oberg during the game. And he pointed out that Martin's wife to me, Sydney Assias or his field gorgeous, girl, but her face when when he was fighting Dana chara was like it was like out of a movie she the girl when the guy was the mountain. Yes, ain't exactly exactly you're like, you know, this dude shouldn't be fighting this human being like, he's a monster. He's the mountain. The shadow to takes a lot of balls. And and you know, it's nice that he was commenting his career and how he's he's kind of had some long jeopardy considering fighting's been been been slowly. How would you say that being dying only in the way of the dodo? Sorry. I can put a thought together they're shocker what else is new but case so quickly to go back to the Gregor in in char thing, I've been taking some heat online for it. Listen, whatever McGregor might win the fight. Fuck. But don't tell me it's going to be a good fight fever saying that Gregor would end in like two minutes where it's just like, man. This guy's got a wrestling background. He's an incredible shape. He's got ten inches in height out. Imagine his arm length is probably similar to that and fucking he outweighs and by ninety pounds. So I don't know. I I think I'm picking chara. I don't think jars got a winning mentalities fucking. He can flip that switch. I'm picking Charles day. And yes McGregor could get. It inside and somehow pull some sort of arm bar, whatever those guys the animals do if Charles to grab him by his left hand, he's one hundred thirty five pounds shower did thirty poll ups at training camp. When you're in the Bruins, I'm talking armed Schori. None of the Bank stuff where like they trainers backing day. One one one no straight are thirty. He's two hundred sixty five pound in his arms, are I can't imagine. How long there what does that your when you do your arm spent same thing as your height? Right. So the guy is machine if you were to grab McGregor and string them out with his left hand, and then drilling with the right? Everything's over. So it's the weight issue. I'm not saying it'd be impossible. But yeah, I'm guessing Charleston enormous favourite if they were meeting barn Faneuil brawl but nonetheless, enemy fans don't wanna hear it. So let's just put it to rest. It was one thing. I wish I thought last show, but is old clip from a movie, it's Bruce Lee versus Kareem Abdul Jabbar. It's I I'm not sure his game death. One of the one of the great, Bruce Lee. But he swears off a cream, it's karate style. But it's pretty cool because it kind of ties with obviously was a movie it wasn't a legit fight. I on one of the quick note, by the way, Frankie Braley the island has last one nineteen eighty four not nineteen Eighty-three might wanna might wanna know that if you're soup offend that. You didn't know their last title. He said, well, he was on the block. Eighty four maybe three it's like. I said a very tough book blurry memory. I can I'll give he said eighty four base. If you're diehard fan. These people who sleep in the pajamas like Taveras, the people who get like a new Cousy every year their team, you know, the last year title. Of course, he thought I was trying to get them better for the dough because we've been ragging on him in the islanders a little bit this episode. So I was just trying to maybe neutralize it. But a fuck them just happens when when's Borelli man, he just gets. He gets torched enough of the aisles Bruins shit. We got a little over two weeks left on the schedule on this still three divisions up in the air. But the Champa Bay Lightning already wrapped up ninety did division, but the presidents trophy. It's the first I and franchise history for them when they beat the biz they beat the oats for the one in the Gulf Coast Monday night. Obviously the team is proud of the accomplishment as they should be. But it's worth noting that sense two thousand five only two Presidents Cup winners have gone on to win the Stanley Cup. The twenty thirteen Blackhawks and the two thousand eight Redwings both of those scar. Memories for a couple. Members of this podcast. The lightning still has a shot at the all time points record would need to finish off winning eight of nine ninety six wings. Did not win the Cup finish that one hundred thirty one points. That's the record is shooting flaw. Tampa could also catch the same Detroit team for most wins in the season Detroit when sixty two that yet apparently has fifty six wins with nine go. Would you gotta say what one great job ouray, very smooth, very smooth shit that second thing we've said all your that. We really haven't talked about them that much because of how good they bet. It's like what do you keep saying week after week? I mean, I to me that makes sense. But talking about those those stats you just gave him. Well, those numbers in there scenario that they're it's it's incredible. And I think that I love my bet. I love my bed that I'm doing the Stanley Cup earlier. I believe I thought it seven to one it might be six to one it could be eight to one. I think I'm imagining the eight maybe six who knows either way. They look great. Ironically, enough people say, we're biased. I'm not even a Bruins fan people. No. I love the penguins. The Bruins probably could have the best chance of any team in the league beating them. I don't know like for some reason that matchup yet glass year they won one game and then got worked over. But they are just so good Tampa. They're so deep there so fast. Stamkos is breaking records. Koutros breaking records are teams breaking records. So they're the favorite one of the biggest favorites you've you've ever seen going into the Stanley Cup playoffs. But for some reason, I look at everyone struggling than possibly the Bruins being able to give them a series, though, this relies on to absolutely bringing in kicking them out left, and right, but right now, they're the overwhelming favorite. And you gotta just give him. Congrats kudos because a lot of those guys aren't even making that much money. When you look around the league at the other sellers are questioned you guys know what the bonuses from the league for one of the presidents trophy is at two hundred and fifty K guy. No. Is it each of them? Get a bonus. Or at least dude way more than the soup than than the than the Cup bonus. Okay. So okay, my bad. I was I was asking the question. All I didn't even know. Oh, I didn't even know they got one. But I I mean, I'm acting like I'm shirts not to fifty. But I didn't even know they got one. Yeah. I believe there's a bonus unless they took it out in the last CBA, but I know some guys have gotten them in in recent memory, first of all it's go back to that game coyotes out shot them twenty nine to twenty four so very lucky for the Tampa Bay Lightning. Whatever stammer gets the record the guy does even though it colored debut wants on a stick like is it does he really get the hold the record. Ouch, biz kosher referred to in the same game friend of the show twenty twenty nine year old Steven stamkos still young past any locale for most goals in Tampa franchise history with his three hundred eighty fourth wasn't one of his patented one time is but a nice little tip. I'll front ahead this. Yeah. Accident tip as I mentioned us probably confused in front of the net. Just like years when he's trying to tape his stick. But coyotes won fifty six percent of the faceoff sake. Dominated him all over the ice. Tampa bands of win that game four one coyotes beat them seven one at home so win the season series. If they meet in the Stanley Cup finals, I say coyotes and five so that's pretty much. All I got to say about that. But on a serious note. Congratulations Steven stamkos in the Tampa Bay Lightning. Holy shit. Those guys are ridiculous like coyotes paid out of their minds, and it was it was four one. So they are going to be very difficult to be. I think that Boston and Tampa conference final would be electric is that even possible. No, no fuck. See that listen that gets back to the deploy format. It's not even get back as people we're gonna be we're gonna be mad swearing at their radios right now or their iphones on one thing. I kinda wanted to discuss and this is going away from what we had planned was how do you guys feel about changing the point system to three for irregular? Regulation win to for overtime win in of course, one for overtime loss. I think that would just to me if you win a game and regulation should be more valuable, and and they try to they try to do the point system right now to keep things close. I actually think that it would allow a team whose navy back. You know, eight points with ten remaining to actually have a chance to come back because if you're giving more if you're rewarding teams to win and regulation, they're going to go for it. So they would actually have a chance to run the table and catch team 'cause like some teams like just hang on for the point and regular season towards the end these three point game. I mean, what if you? So what if you didn't even need the three and you went to for a regulation overtime? Shootout win sorry to regulation win one fern overtime shootout win. And the loser gets nothing for. Yeah. I think that would alternate Louis B. I like the three to one set up just because I feel like if you go all the way to the end of shootout, you deserve a point. So that's yeah. So whatever I mean, I'm not here to argue your point about the I just think regulation wins should be worth three points. There's gotta be more value in that than than winning shootout. Well, there is a little bit. They have the regular the w but that includes overtime, so the regulation and the overtime wins. They do matter more. But that's only tiebreaker scenarios, you're right. Right. Even that wouldn't really bring some food for thought. Or what do you think about euro style? I just going to say, I think that's very similar to shocker I think they reward you more for the actual when I sound off the top ahead headed sounds like a good idea biz. But I know what you see with these things when you poke around a little this seems to be some detriment somewhere along the line. But yeah, I I don't know. I don't have as much of an issue with the points right now. I like the shootout I just seems like people always wanna take with the point system. But yeah, I I don't know if they're gonna do anything for it actually did not we just had to GM meetings. There's no plans anything points going forward. So I think what they like about it. As far as league standpoint is keeps more teams in the race longer smells more tickets, which if it's a business, I agree with that. I just think from from a team. And point. And and in for some teams who get hot late who aren't that far behind? It is hard to make up ground. They mean, if you're five points out with ten games remaining, you gotta win fucking eight or nine games. And then hope some teams are going less than five hundred. So you know, I mean people are gonna probably kill me on my math. But. Notice anything bad. But I wasn't really listening match. Yo. Going back to stamkos real quick. I video caveat. Once again released a nice statement through the team. But he said that he knew the record was gonna fall the first time he saw stamkos take a one time in practice like how long ago ten twelve years ago. He said I time each time. That's it. My records getting broken. I thought that was interesting stamp goes also set the record in his seven hundred thirty seventh game in his eleven season. Three fewer seasons almost three hundred games than any average in point five two goals per game Correa stamp goes. And it's a six season with at least thirty talks, you know, we had a couple injuries a few years ago. So it's nice to see him get a swag back and break the record. Stamkos. Also the first time. I met him. He's got swagger. I mean, I met him in Vail. I actually met him at the golf course. I think I'm talking Nike shirt. And I keep belt. He looks like is this guy Nike rep from the tour of any looked, you know, he's suddenly something about him busy. I know you've met him you hung out with them. But I also thought it was interesting to hear him say one of the people. That really helped him the most. I think he's one of the people to one of the first to really believe in him. I'm assuming you met at the NHL because obviously it was a stud growing up, but he said rip talk it now, and that's pretty cool, and that kind of explains a lot into to phoenixes of Arizona success, excuse me. And that's why I keep bringing him up for coach of the year. If they get in the playoffs. I even with the Cooper stuff when we talked about that. But interesting quote by Sam to bring up a coach of an opposing team granted they were playing them. But just to show how much he appreciates talk its efforts in in kind of pumping them up wall. I believe when berry Melrose got fired early into stamkos is first season. I wanna say talk took over as head coach. I could be mistaken on that. But talking to such players coach he's gained some some big friendships with guys that he replaced allegory look him and Kesselman. They're like good buddies text all time another example of it is is Clayton Keller. He's you know, he's had a solid year end up making the all star game. But there was some spurts, you know, in his sophomore slump where. He would go a little stretchy games or he was struggling. And he he's he said he would text talk. If you'd say talk like you might sit down watching some video of me. That's like it. Maybe it's becoming more common now. But it wasn't that common back. Then we're there is that texting interaction between players and head coaches. So, you know. You know, he's he's the type of guy you want to run for wall through a wall for and you saw after he he broke the record. He actually pointed to talk, and he said, thank you in talk gave the nod and talk doesn't want the praise you know, he'll talk to him in the hallway after game. No tummy sticks. Talk. Hey, how times have changed? Scotty Bowman was having guys having the guy in the hotel guy. Sign a stick. If they're coming in after curfew, and that's how we find out. We've mentioned outside find out who's coming in late. It's gone from that getting a Bellman rat you out Iraq guys out for you to coach Texan a player to talk about watching watch clips. So that that's our our style. It spitting check. Let's get a little bit more the personality involved in. Hey and keep in mind man, like talk it had his experience with the head coaching in Tampa. He in fact, did take over that year for berry, Melrose. So he had berries nail rose head coach of a team that that's when Barry Melrose said that he goes, stamkos ain't ready. He can't play. And then and then he got fired. I think it was what like sixteen games into the season. I mean stamkos finished with twenty three goals, twenty three assists. I mean, a guy was eighteen years old step in the league and up those numbers. That's pretty good considering he was getting health bombed actually interesting. I don't know if we talked about this during the stamkos interview is. Stamkos first year. They would have him not play every game. They would have him sit out some games like wore out or some yet. They would make them work out because he was still fairly small. I mean, obviously, he's always had that speed, but he came out of Sarnia, very young, and because he was progressing so much towards like the last twenty games of the season talk. If finally guys like fucking need this guy in the lineup. Like, he's he's NHL player that he had two goals two nights ago and were playing against the penguins of can he play AB? So. Yeah. So come out there opus on the power play at the top of the circle. He no he stands there. Yeah. Yeah. That spot right over there. But no, but we kind of went on a bit of a stammer ramp. But you know, he's he's come a long way. And then and then shadowed, of course to Rick talk for helping these young guys owed in find their game at the NHL now. Well, deserved a stammer. Not also we had mentioned yet we bring on retired NHL defenseman rubs dairy and a little bit with what you played with actually guys played from a little bit. He's got some good goods bobby's the Scuds when Michelle tearing loved them so much. It wasn't Bobby ORR. Was Bobby Scuds Bobby Scuds before before we get there? You gotta tell story that he forgot to tell and it was involving rookie party and Sidney Crosby, and you told me afterward that he forgot tell it, and it is fucking hilarious. Yeah. I mean, it was I don't remember the place we're at I know we ended up at like, Nikki beach later that night. This was probably two thousand five maybe six Nikki beats is covered New York City. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know maybe baby. I'll get shipped for tone this story. But it was so God, they're funny that. We were. Forced to go up there rookies, and we're forced to kind of tell a joke. I don't know if it was tell us story or tell a joke either way to get up in front of the entire team. Luckily, we had seven rookies I've talked about this before I got lucky on the money Colby Armstrong. Erik christianson Sidney Crosby much others that aren't coming to my mind right now. But so we're telling her story and said gets up and turn to tell the story and our joke either way, and he's in the middle of it, and Johnny LeClair just the whole veteran east pry benefit of these things is a little bit readies crushing wind rep it on guys. But in the best possible pass best Basel wakes us me Johnny lack show to you. You know, I love you. He probably hates my guts. I used to drive in saying either way that's sides the point so SIDS telling his joker story, and Johnny. And he said store sucks actually, go sit in that bowl ice cream. And it says like what he's like, take your pants down and sitting bull ice cream. One of those big containers. Bowl of ice cream chocolate analogy scoops of ice must've been one hundred scoops in there as it says like all right? So she oh down come is is pants, boxers. Come down just sits in the bowl ice cream. I think this is kind of like, you know, a lot other conversations going on either way. It was funny. Very quick funny. Funny thing turns out about two hours. They're sitting next door because oh my God. Look at Scuds. Scuds is over there. Mouring down on this ice cream. Extrordinary clip, and he's crushing the ice cream. Their bodies added. Must've been. He's already said come back on those and other funny story from L L A that, but he'll he'll go into that story. I'm sure he'll. He must've been in the bathroom when he said that. And then he'd probably you know, he's just like oh fucking ice cream Scuds law kit. In villa being? Sidney Crosby bought whole hairs. Oh, sorry. A little extra Gruntal cheese on your fucking Sunday. As always nice, not sure if you call caught Louis van quick set down. It was a yeah. Tall. It sallies always on the show Louis Domingues post-game sellers. Have you seen them biz? When he gets up a little pocket bike. I don't they still call them pocket bikes. It's like a tiny little motorcycle. These fucking flying down the hallway with the players watts from the ice in full fucking goalie yet, man. It's always nice to have a backup that where he's a fun guy. Joking around the room, keeping it light. Especially the workload that he gets vez Leschi's. He's he's a beast. I mean, although he demanded step in this year when when? The foot injury. Yeah. So so credit to him and also wanna touch on the Celje shoe wit. Oh, no. I was just gonna say coming was like he Luigi and Mario Carter's bombing around on that thing. But it was pretty funny. I mean either way. I've been pretty impressed by that guy. I mean, he he struggled but before, but when he played this in front of a great team, but still some awesome numbers. So he's like the guy from the song movie as long as your backup is like a good guy and doesn't mind just take one off the neck early in practice on Tuesday morning. I saw bro. But it's not, you know, you don't hit flurry in the neck. You hit Louis demand. You don't invest skew get the main yo Louis are a what's the guy in the saw movie when he comes on little trike? And he's like do you wanna play a game show full confession? Bizarre. I never saw any of the saw movies. Yeah. Not not a huge hot modern HARA guy. Like, all I just I'm not a big modern HARA guy. Although this this guy dropped get out. I thought was very innovative in good. Some people didn't like it. But of course, that's how she goes on the drop in a new one insane. Does looks crazy. I get a call. It's called us. Yeah. Phenomenal did one and Oscar for writing. But yeah, it's called. It's a family there on vacation. But there's like another family carbon copy of them. And they haven't really revealed a lot in the trail other than it's real real creepy. I the initial reviews from Sundance said it's phenomenal the movies great, which interesting to all the actors have to play both roles like the regular role in this like you'll be out. So I'm looking forward to that is just mentioned Mario Luigi. Speaking of video games on much should guys the Carolina Hurricanes latest celebration. They did a little duck hunting after the game. Do see this wit. I saw you. Look, you looked like you didn't see it or something. It was it just two guys in like the McGuire stand ho bench doing it to just I saw the two guys in the penalty box. But then someone who's throwing the gloves out in the ice. Like as if they were the -ducted was shooting down. I don't know Don cherry might stroke out if he sees this. I'm really down without one and they're getting more innovative about it. There. A hundred percent as a as a hater of it. They're getting better and better. Now, I know. And then you're just here's what here's the thing. The duck hunting was a perfect example. They have the entire arena to us as terms of the big screen the noises, the the lights exactly all they have all the props to make this just like a full on perfect scenario in terms of like having to be able to you know, being able to show all this shit. So I know I just worded that like a complete RA move marbles in my mouth wit. But still you know, what I'm saying all that stuff. Makes it a lot cooler bay. They're gonna start signing guys. You never heard of who were like insult to Soleil. They're going to be putting on the show after the game coming down from the Jumbotron with that rope thing and. Oh, I thought I got a bigger laugh at you guys for that one. Keep it real busy. We don't. We don't do fake laughs on the show. Right biz. Help a brother. Oh, yeah. Goes around comes around. Speaking of the hurricanes. They've been a nice story this year, you know, even if he's driving some people grazie they're on track to make the playoffs for the first time in ten years. A a big if perhaps unheralded pound of that success has been Jordan stall is more of a defensive specialist, but we did water acknowledge you got his five hundred reappoint Saturday night in Raleigh with the goal. Verts? Buffalo two hundred thirteen goals, two hundred eighty seven assists in eight hundred eighty three games. You know, he's a guy who had some early success with the pens wanna cop joined his brother in Carolina thought they were gonna play for a long time. But only about three years signed had nice ten ten years sixty million dollars by what you played with stall in. Pittsburgh what kind of guys he liked kind of play was fine with great guy. Very friendly. Guy comes from a great family as Father Henri. Awesome. Dude. I mean busies one of the guys you'd ask about sewing the sperm. Let them dump one of my old lady fucking hours and the other one eighty handsome, Jack bastard, he's the guy who you just. He tell strong from farming. He's just like a naturally big boy. But that's kinda what stalled us he came in. He wasn't just wide Vicki's six to maybe six three. And he was able to play at eighteen years old nineteen year old season us able to play like shutdown against anyone. He could actually like physically nobody could really manhandle him from such such a young age. So he was ready for the NHL immediately and on rookie Aaron he's gone onto this have some great seasons. And I think you don't hear about him as much Eric by more talented offensively probably is more talented offensively in has had the success as some had some Socratic success in his career, but stalls -i if you look at him like he got traded in that big deal with Carolina. But since then they haven't moved him. I mean, it's like a guy that you don't hear about often. But it's so valuable to a team and off ice. He's just a really good person. So happy for him. And it's been it's been quite a run also for the hurricanes. They've lost five times in the last forty four days. I mean, that's that's a run that shows. This is a true legit playoff team. And I think that in the first round no matter who they play. It will be exciting. I think it'll be great hockey. Now, they're very exciting to watch quick stall story. We're in Pittsburgh win. I believe you were at the dinner. I've told the story I think once before on this podcast four of us. We went to the sushi spot in Pittsburgh. It's I remember. Yeah. Really nice it's expensive. While biz lose the credit card game. The meal was like seven hundred bucks. That's a big chink in the armor for a guy who's at that time played like six NHL games. And so I give my credit card over and stalls. The ends up getting goes, I gotta go to the bathroom in came back. And then the waitress brings over Mike card handed to me enhance him his that had been swiped. So he went and paid for the dinner knowing that that was going to hurt me for the seven hundred. So just a great guy. Keep in mind, he was younger than I was aegis started buying dune. So I I think it was his rookie year. So, you know, nice little signing bonus for him. We knew he was. Gonna be there. I think he hit every single bonus in his entry level contract that I was a stud really surprised how the way things ended in pit. I thought he would have been the perfect third-line center for them for you know, till the end of history, but you want to play with his Brown. Carolina in whatever great guy wish him. Well, and that's all I got to say about that. They pick up that tab salty show to me. Also, I think still the best sushi overhead. I've had a lot of places of added a lot of places around the world in OMI is the best. It was so good that Alexi kkob. Love when he was done on the Canadians yet, his pilot's license. He would fly down to have dinner there. I was told so somehow randomly ways see the best sushi ever gonna have. It's Berg Pennsylvania, would guess that the bird. Talking about other guys who hit some mocks Vancouver. Connect rookie feed on Elias Pederson assisted on Marcus gremlins gold Monday night versus Chicago in doing show. He set the rookie scoring record for the Vancouver franchise sixty I point eat bass, the failure might have heard of Pablo beret so far. The Pederson is twenty seven goals. Thirty four sist- off a sixty one points in sixty two games. It took beret sixty five games to get the sixty points. Brought best man Vancouver's kind of have this. Unreal. One two punch fiesta the biz we talked about and the other day. But it seems like he's going to be a guy. We're gonna be praising on this show for probably the next basically life of the show. I mean five ten twenty as a replay along plays what filthy shot water bug. He has at assassin mentality where he just he just goes and goes. He he's fun to watch. He's entertaining player. And all of a sudden overnight the the Vancouver Canucks. Have a superstar funny. How quick can happen. Actually. I went to have something before we go to Scuds. No just going to say you welcome everyone who could thanked me when I brought him up before the year. And a lotta pools have been changed around the fantasy hockey world. Thanks to me. Four. We throw it over to Scuds RA. I want to bring up a quick incident here the fake dump goal by Kevin Hayes. But he gave it a little neat kick. As if he was going to dump it in and aback the defense of an off. And sure enough he ended up kicking it to the outside the play went behind the net. And he ended up Baronet out front. Now this happened. I believe right near the opposing team's bench. And they're playing L A at the time. Now, if LA would have had a watch the fake punt guy on the bench Lizanne. Hey watch for the fake dumb guys. I my job in the NHL. I would have been telling our demand watch for the fake dump and that wouldn't have happened. They would've saved himself a goal so the LA kings. If you're looking for look over the fake, dump guy, you're looking at them. Yeah. He's taken song internationally in Winnipeg. I was impressed. I was impressed. I immediately. We had I tweet flying over it works. It works a fake dumping goal. And his funny stuff. I boys let's send it over to rob skit dairy for his take on his NHL Korea. This interview is brought to you by herbal active one hundred percent empty CBD. We've been talking about they have bombs that are great for sore muscles and joints. They have the drops which are taken by mouth that help boat for with anxiety depression. They helped me sleep the they help with my anxiousness. They're just great for internal swelling as well. I've mentioned this before on the podcast inflammation is the leading cause of disease. And I take these things every day. I've been staying up on them. I also have the men's that they sell those are great for situational issues. Where like, let's say you're you don't like flying. 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We are now leased to be joined by longtime teammate and myself, very good friend a lifelong jets Mets loser fan, but a Stanley Cup champion not just once onto different organizations. Rob's, Gary, how are you? But thanks for coming on spitting chiklis podcast. I am very good. Thank you for having me. So what are you doing? Now. What's up these days? We're going to get to retirement. I before we go back. What is your day to day like? Since since returning from hockey, I guess I could call myself an intimate enthusiast. So just recycling cycling through bakery goods. And and seeing how they are and rating them as such. No, I'm I'm not doing much help Mike with my kids team and been doing a development role with an NCDC team. They play up in New England a lot, but you know, say eighteen to twenty wrong that are trying to find their way to college. You know, figure out the best situation for them and move on. So it's been fun. They're they're good kids to their funds worth. That's what it's all about. I'm wondering like you did used to tell me like I'm going to become a three hundred pounds when I retire. What are you? What are you waiting in that right now, and what is your workout schedule? Like are you ever in the gym? Yes, I am. You'd be very very disappointed to know that I have been so I would I would say, yeah. I work out. I I work at once a week with free weights. And then I do I do spin class, you know, time I crush it. Yeah. You those lower body those big fat quasi or you can just crush spin class. Well, it's the only thing that kept me in the league because my upper body wouldn't get me pissed hockey right now. Yeah. You do have one of the worst bodies I've ever seen in been played with us guides. You might be you might be a worse dresser than RA. Our other co host what what's going on with the old wardrobe these days, you it's great post retirement. Listen. Well, first of the great thing about not having a great body while you play is that you don't look that bad when you stop. Very true. Kept up. You're not really know. What my well. I was I was talking about this with some of the guys over the weekend. Some of the guys that say, hey, Scuds man looks like he would still play. And I'd say I'll take the compliment. Now. The only problem is they set that last couple of years like he looks like it's still plays. Like, no, I'm I'm I'm still playing. Yeah. Still getting paid. But as far as the wardrobe source of wardrobe goes. We all know that style of cyclical, and I'm just waiting for it to come back. And I'm a patient, man. Refers the genes do you have do you own right now? Probably the same too. I had a couple of years ago light and dark a light and dark suit. Actually, I can't I can't believe I forgot to bring this up right away. Scuds is just getting back from Pittsburgh where they celebrated the oh nine the ten year anniversary of the nine championship team. I got I got many tweets. I don't people were fucking with me. And they said w- it why aren't you back for this? I'm like God damn Chris Kunitz and he scored a fucking goal the night before against the penguins of the Blackhawks. He's just torturing souls. But how was it for you? I was it to see the group of guys you you got to win that first Cup with and does the city of Pittsburgh, still love its beer. Well, first of all awesome. Was I thought it was real nice of you organization. I'm not sure if every organization does that some type of reunion, but I know it gets me forever. When that we are real pre should've that the ownership group had us back and kind of onto team. Like, I said, I don't know if every organization does. But I thought it was very well done. And as we all appreciate it. The city of Fitchburg does love it's beer, and you know, was great to see everyone. Unfortunately. Now, if you guys could make it, but I did my best to pick up the slack for those guys not being around was skills e there. Yep. He he made the second night. He I think he was working first night. But he he came down the second night. So it's good to see him. So skills, these how Gill for those listening don't know skills, e is maybe even your us kind of your what was he was your, Robin? Or was he the Batman because you guys would like the dynamic duo who were killing off all those as you guys want that I make up and that's Berg. Batman, Robin is strong. We called ourselves bits and pieces because they had called me the peace at one point. He so we call those self bits and pieces, and that's how we got through the game. But you know, certainly, our styles would kinda strange that at that it worked, you know. Usually, you wouldn't see that. But you know, for some reason we just had some chemistry and kinda ran with it. So it was it was fun to see him. And certainly a lot of great memories. So a when you're when you're going back to that team. Like, I thought marketing right way. I hadn't thought him for everyone. I saw the picture some other guys like are you shooting the shit about like hockey or was it more? Just you're talking about what's going on. Now. Like, I'm sure the night took you in a bunch of different routes. It's it's it's always a bunch of different things. You know, certainly want to know what guys up to now at you know, how their kids are doing. You know, it's nice to see, you know, what everyone's you know, into their kids. Now, our kids are certainly on age. They're, you know, becoming more interesting and more involved with other things at it's always great to hear that that side of their family. Life is good. And then, you know, the the conversation always rotates around much like it doesn't allow room it. Just swings from you know, think thing and some guy will bring a funny topic or something happened and that rolls into three more stories or for more. Whatever it many, it is it just keeps going, and you have some laughs about it. But that's that's the great thing about getting together. Every once in a while, especially since you, don't necessarily remember everything or you weren't present for everything. And when you hear someone else's side of it or something else that happens makes it even more funny Scuds is a one guy who showed up you're like oh shit. I even forgot I forgot this guy was on the team. That was Scuds. Oh. I forget I was on. No, I you know, what you remembered everybody. So, you know. No concussion problems apparently yet. But the no it was good to see everybody. I remembered everyone so was was not it was not a big problem for tonight. Everyone should make it. But it was it was still good. Okay. So who was the one guy who showed up surprise was? There was a core there. No, no sick. He didn't make it. I think it was Sikora Talbot's do plea couldn't make it certainly the guys are playing like Jordan stall bookstore pick, Marc Andre Fleury. And you know, but the guys that are still on the team came to the to the little reception that we had after the game last night and Cooney was playing for the Blackhawks so he was able to to attend also. So you know, like, I said it was it was good to see everybody. But now there's I remembered everyone so it was it was good. That's weird. I played fifteen games at your for the team. I didn't. I think my invite got must have got lost on my Email up to the junk box or something. But then it's it's called an unvested all all that news at like, a millennial thing take gender this. Let's yeah. It's it's a Seinfeld jokes so past some people's, hey Scuds, did you ever get the chance to play with biz for you guys ever on the same team together? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, we were. We were in pit. And then back when biz was giving himself from sizes. The table was too busy with guys. So he put some lotion on star rub down his quad. Like, I got I got a guys just rub himself down. No highway, not a high maintenance go. You know, what sometimes that lines long? And you know, you're at the bottom of the list. So you gotta gotta take matters into your own hands. You know, we we played we played on. I was you know, as your career is kinda come down to a close. But you don't feel like retiring because they're paying a good amount of money. We played in Ontario a bit and sixteen seventeen. Yup. We played the American League together. That's when he was strolling around and wool, suits. I thought it's like he got the a loss and found from the great depression, just sweating bullets. I was like a are you are you trying to get a role in boardwalk empire going West Hollywood. Call after this or what? I kit the night, I was never much of a closed or so I can't I can't say anything about the style. So I just I just sit there and smile and laugh about it. Because I as much as I. as much as I wish I could disagree. I just can't never thought close towards I thought it was Kevin Garnett straffed suit. I was like a have you down? Buttons on it. Steph on Marbury on barberry special and one baby come. It did make someone them for also for big prices in a few years now that they probably actually probably him where they came from. I probably put him back to the Salvation Army. Oh my God. Hey, dude. I'm wondering actually. How how how is like the celebrations for both your cups? Like, I never even talked to you about what you did for parties where they crazy. I mean, I know there was a lot of drinking. But what was that like? It was it's fun. I mean each each place a little different Pittsburgh. They they kinda they'd won the two cups before in ninety one ninety two in their in their heyday back then so not to take away from it. But you know, I think that it was we had a great parade. And you know, it would be like a different part every night. So we went to Maria's house right after the game Detroit. And that was you know, was a ton of fun. And we had a had a blast. And then the next night was like the downtown night where we took it to the south side of mariota's. And that was that was a ton of fun. I can't. And then we went back. Tomorrow's house like an official party where a lot of the family extended family members were invited. You know? He was always very gracious in that regard and always a lot of fun. You know as usual memories. Do they, you know get blurry with the consumption. You still Miller lite all time. Yeah. It's a use it as a supplement. I take fish oil and Mela. Way all the time. Scuds? We're going to have to bleep that out. We're a Budweiser podcast. I don't know if you know we kind of days is sponsored by Budweiser Canada. He doesn't okay? Well, I know. All right. Well, I mean, I like Budweiser to that. I don't discriminate we're gonna have to send you a case. And then from then on out you can use biz twenty promo code to get a twenty percent off discount on Budweiser. Hey, scott. Scuds? How's your how's your dad doing? I got a great story about Scott dad, whereas you ever told you this. No, how's he doing first off? He's doing well. He's still playing hockey three times a week in one hockey season's over they play. They play golf together. He's not he's doing. Well. He's hanging out do. Well. Awesome. So now, I'm sure people are aware this foreign to this interview Scuds, he just got that dry sense of humor. He can really bus balls at the best of them. So the first time that my my dad met Mr. Scuderi, it was when I joined the wilkes-barre team after my season it be you. So my dad goes to game. Mr. scenarios up to and he's like, hey, Dan, Wendy, yo what's going on Iran? What needs dad? Yeah. What's on shooting? Shake gives him a Pat on the back. Great to meet you dead. Great to meet ya my dad's. This guy was the nicest guy in the world, the best guy couldn't leave to talking to my dad just being so personal making them feel. Very welcome. You know, he doesn't know anyone. Finds out later Scuds his dad slap the sticker on my bad, my dad's back that said something ridiculous. Like, I'm a clown or something made them. That's why it's so nicely. Give the fact that mother fucker how long after out somebody peel it off his back. And so me as somebody put a stick on your back. That says you're a clown. That guy was just a nice guy even fucking. Is that is that the same trip? You're dead took a who's like taking a Basset two in the morning, and then and then when he tried he was on the bus. He was late to the bus the next day though, that was actually two separate dad's trips the one dad's trip he come home with all the the dads came home to thirty three in the morning. And at that time, they used to make a stay with our dads. Now, they're like smart enough to put the dads together. Give them their own room. You see your old man's huge Bush dad comes bombing two-thirty and he's allowed his ship. But being nice he wants to allow me to sleep. Thanks that only gonna NHL game tomorrow and goes in the bathroom. Reza's after they've all had twenty five years. He falls asleep reading his book. So he wakes up like four thirty or I wake up to an absolute smash bash of noise. He woke up and went to stand up, but his legs. More sleep is fast. We went crashing into the wall and ripped off the towel. It gets. Yeah. And then the other time was we we were both late to the boss, and he made the smart decision of going on the media bus. I was forced to get stared out by parents. He was the only dad on our those refund as though. No, they were good trips because the de generally broker few. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You said you you drive your kids around sports, these these like soccer, parents hockey, parents are as crazy as everyone saying, and you must have a few things to say if they are. Yeah. I mean, there's some, you know, at the I guess the number one thing, you can say is you can't tell a crazy parent. What to do because they're freaking crazy. There's there's just nothing. You can do, you know? So you couldn't tell them look skating. Eight times a week is probably not the best thing for your seven year old. You're going to burn them out sent him to Russia. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. But you can't you know, you can't tell them what to do. So you try to you know, I'm not against anyone. But you try to push them in the right direction. You know, make sure the kid likes the game. He doesn't like the game. It's not gonna wanna show up. It's only a matter of time before they before they burn out. But you know, like, you said, you can't tell you can't bring a horse award but can't make him drink. So unfortunately, some of these people that drinking the Kool aid. I think they're gonna get ahead at age seven eight nine it's just it's just not the way it is. You know, so much more development to go. You know, keep the kid keep pace, you know, keep them on the ice or or on the field wherever it is. But you know. There's a there's probably a limited to what you should be doing and how much to give a kid an actual life. Maybe try some other sports along the way with so when we were in Ontario that was one of the things that Scuds came to the rank Wedneday bitch about he's these fucking parents crazy mad because they got off ice workouts like three days a week. They're sending me group. Emails like, hey, I don't think your kids taking its you. Seriously. It's like it's seven years old. It's I I had a parent one time that was that asked me about how how Boston was how how was down Cambridge. It's beautiful. It's like a really fun place. You know, whatever we're talking about the area in boss generals, a great city town. And I said, and they well, we're thinking our kids go to school in the area, those, oh is it going to go to Arbor something I said, well, we'd like them to and I'm going, oh, he's gonna play hockey, you know, transatlantic like, that's great. It was like, well, we're hoping he's gonna play hockey. You know, he's right now, he's seven. You gotta be you. Gotta be kidding me. I was like, you know, this this. They got this this kid's life planned out or ready. I mean, he was he was the best plan on a team won't won't the night. But it's like that's a long way to go. I mean, we can all remember the kid that was unbelievable at you know, pee-wee's and it's not as if the kid was a bad kid get nothing against them. He just that's when he hit his peak. You know, there's nothing against it. It's just that was it. So I mean, sometimes doing on my God. Like, you've got to be kidding. Like could you please lay off this? You mentioned the pressure at that age, you know, try to pull this off looking at real estate. He's got ten years ago because even eligible college. Well, actually, I mean, you you never give yourself enough credit. It's it's it. But people do I realize how great of a player you turned into defensively just a beast. But I mean fifth round pick. You went to BC played for years, and you pretty much knew your job you played a while in the minors and Michelle -tarian getting the job in Pittsburgh. I mean, you were Bobby Scuds them. We always called you. Bobby, Scott, what's up, Bobby Scuds? And if you look back, I mean, if it had been different, right? Like what you did you go on waivers and wilkspur leaving penguins camp. And you're like, I don't even know like, I am I gonna make the NHL I have no idea at this point. Well, you know, it's it's always when you look back at critics kinda crazy, you know, to the turns you might take you know, some guys are some guys are ready for the league right away. Some guys have that poise maturity skill. What whatever it is. I mean, what you had you know, you ready for the league at a much younger age. I wasn't I needed a little more time. That's that's fine. I was never shamed. At just the path I had to take. But you know, we came out of the full season lockout and became a through the loopholes in the contract negotiations. I became a free agent. So they Pittsburgh offered me a one excuse me a one way deal. And I was you know, obviously, you're pretty pump that after you've been in the minors for four years pretty much. You're you're pretty pumped to get a one way deal. And you know, the way it happened with camp and we drafted sid. And the team, you know, they thought that we were going to be this Cup contender. And I think we lost the first ten games. And it would you know, was it was just tough. 'cause now you went from. Thinking you were going to be a contender. Now, you're fighting for your job, you know, as you guys know your there's always something to play for. It's a cliche, but it's a hundred percent true. And you're playing for your job, and you do have a future in this league. You know, I got bumped actually what's probably the wanna bump me got called up faster. And you know, I was I got cast aside lines, and you know, it happens, but I want to the plate for -tarian the team was like twenty and at the time. And then when I made some changes in pit, you know, I got the call, and I got called up and would I play play the rest of the year was pretty good year. Like good learning experience. And you'd take those things and you move ahead. And you know, I was lucky enough that blossomed into along HDL career. But you know, certainly when you look back on time, it's pretty amazing. You know, turn to take like Mark eating like he was a guy who's I think he's going to go to West Point. But I think he had a certain condition medically might have been as more or. Something that it couldn't go to using USA jail after that got a full ride in order Dame. And then signs, you know, a pretty great free agent deal out of college. I mean, not that army, you know, West Point awesome place. But you know, you look at sometimes the crazy stories that guys have along the way. And it's a, you know, it's pretty interesting. There's no there's no linear pets the league. You know for the guys that aren't labeled at a young age to get there. Now, it's true. You know, what's crazy is think back to that year where you know, the penguins brought in gone shar and that year that he thought they're gonna be good SIDS rookie year. I don't mind saying this now because gone is so incredible. But you remember him for like twenty five games that season. It was like the worst Haughey. I think he could have ever played in his life. It was they were boom member. They're just boom. Yeah. They're they're booing everybody. And we probably deserved it. It was it was it was bad. It was just I think it was one of those things that you try to throw together on the fly. You know, drafting sid was such a organizational changing thing. And now it's like instead of this maybe slow rebuild that you think it's it. You know, you get jump started with sid. And you know, like we we kind of try to throw it together. And it's tough you have data guys coming for many different places. It's tough to mesh short amount of time. And when we clearly just did 'em when individual, you know, you're not playing well the team. No, one looks good. You know? Nobody looks good. And yeah, it was it was it was all going scarves. I wanna ask about -tarian. I mean, you were in his good books for for most of your career with him. Do you got any funny? Carrion stories you can see up for us. Let's see the I mean with Scott with you. Okay. Well, I I mean, the the first one that comes to mind is I think one of my favorites where we're playing Edmonton at home, and he'll get any press because you can YouTube, but with you gonna get so we I think we lost three one Edmonson add whole three nothing. I think four o'clock had a heart. I wanna say it's three one. But I'll go through nothing. Okay. Had the hat trick. And -tarian if you look it up. That's when he went on his rant about the D or sauce that I don't know how long the ram was. But it was it was pretty extensive. So the next night we were in one to Columbus. So we go to the you know worth the pre game meeting. We they made some changes. We call the any severance. So then he said he was gonna start that night. Good guy. And before the game carrying has this. You know, epic video of you know, this terrible pass, you know. So he's going through it. And then he gives us this speech. Like, listen this guy, Danny Sabir n- has worked his way up from the minors. It's taken them. You know, you had a he had a shot early. I think and then just like I said about the linear thing. Yeah. You know, it took him a while to get back. And he's he's battled back in the minor. She's done this. He's done that like you guys better play for this guy because he's earned every single bit of this chance. And we trust me we all believe that we're not when at the speeding. So we're in Columbus mean witness starting lineup. And we had this this press play a lot of teams do where if you lose the face off the defensemen kind of jump up on the wingers, you know, to seal them off. So it's not just an easy option to get into this own. So we're, you know, warming up and everyone's nervous like, okay. Let's just you know, we got a young team. Let's get let's get down to business here. Like, okay. Let's let's scratch off last night. Gionta pocket. Sergei federov. Rick Nash, maybe jeered. Ed. I can't remember the date. So so man, what jump up on our wingers, and the defense men sends it, and it kind of I don't know it just it. It doesn't quite make it for an icing, but we did our jobs like, okay, they didn't get control. So sad. We'll comes out to play the puck and he's thinking. Okay. It's just gonna put it behind the net or make a say player, and he goes to like like he was Ron Hextall. He tries to rip his puck. But it doesn't go anywhere. It goes right onto the stick of Sergei Federov who's standing maybe at the top of circles on board. He passes across ice to Rick Nash. I mean, and it's just it's it's a tappan, and it's ten seconds into the game. Ten seconds. We had that. So that's how we start the game. Then later in the game. I I mean, the games obviously, not going well at some point with was going, maybe the fastest he's ever skated. He's going, you know, he's hustling back. You know, we all like I said, we've all got something play, or at least you're learning or something he's busting his back in its if someone put a two by four and drilled into the is that he he just takes this tower. And now he's sliding on his stomach as Marc Andre Fleury had come out to play a puck at about. Maybe ten feet above decrease. Also Sam how they got mold. He's gone. He's gone by now. So it's out and he takes out five or so it's a complete yard deal is flowers crap everywhere. Bright yellow, so you can see it with crabs everywhere where on the bench. I mean, you want you're crying, you know, your is hearing from the laughing ready, but you can't laugh because carrying is behind you. And you're going all my, you know, my God don't laugh laugh laugh laugh some of the older guys couldn't. Did it just didn't matter. I think why was there and he goes oh by God. The whole that the game doesn't go about. We lose six maybe six one or six nothing all we got into Chicago. So we flash cog that night, and as what wouldn't roommates we turn on the television. And you all we all know the sportscenter opening theme. And it's like then and the last picture on the highlights of the opening kind of montage is with sliding into flour are taking them out crap everywhere. So it was it was an interesting an interesting game that was one that was one really good story. Then what do you remember in? Montreal that game we played. Remember beijing? Steve remember, I'm going to say it's the same much y'all trip or here like just buying read. Scott says the same Scud when we were screaming at the cavity. Take us to the Ritz Joyce twenty feet. The only thing I heard about that story from the only thing I have to say is that that was completely true. But I think we actually gave the guy more money than he should've had. Because like we're so sorry like, oh you did. He's like he he's like double the money. Like sorry. You know, 'cause we weren't like screaming rude. But like buddies can you just please take us to the Ritz Carlton ready? I. Yards. I dropped. Fucking writ spot. He might have driven a yard, maybe. And here we felt we were the ones that you know, didn't understand. The Steve vision, Steve. All right. The guys the guys AHL hockey player, but he's certainly on the scoring list. So we're we're playing this game. And he's like all over the place the first period. I mean, he's dishing pox he's holding guys off. I mean, he's either he had the period his life for as Michelle probably said, we probably didn't play very well, most likely was probably a combination of -able. So we come into the first we come in. You know, go to the intermission at coach comes in. He's gonna say a couple of words, and it comes in what the guys Steve Beijing, look like wait fucking Gretzky. You know, you agree. I mean, you're you're just you're trying laughing. But he was he definitely had some some good meetings with guys I'm sure what can attest. Oh, yeah. I've told the couple of funny stories. Hey, do you. Remember, do you? Remember, the what Heatley said to me when I was doing what I used to do the Nov. My stick. Oh, yeah. When he was like when you when you like licked it he's like that's that man. I used to always have to put baby powder, my stick and Scuds. We've always doing what I needed to move my hand. And then I would have it would get to slip rates have to like lick lick my fingers and try to get like some of it off and Scuds you always what is wrong with you. And then one time out there doing, and I see Heatley looking at basically the fuck are you doing? Yeah. That's fucked up, man. What are you doing Scuds like the only one? It's clearly not the only one. But no, yeah. Tearing the are definitely some fun times. And I played for Darryl Turner as well. He's a character yet. Some definitely some unique stories that were that were pretty funny. Can't once get into LA a little bit. I wanna hear some of those Sutter stories because I've heard he's like he's just a cartoon character in the room between periods. The differences in Cup wins. I mean, one you're Mario's in Pittsburgh and the other one you're fucking hanging out with David Beckham. And and other celebrities. Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, we'll was you know, he came in. Again, was a coaching change a mill year we had Terry Murray, and they bring in Sutter for you know, definitely hardcore disciplinarian, and I like them, but he was just like super Super Dry. You know? So, you know, he came in he came on planes, Saint Louis, and would you probably remember they had Subotica and Schwartz time. Good players tough guys to play against but not not overly big definitely played big on their size, always play. So they were just kinda run around the first period where at home at the staple center, and these guys are like running around us, and they're hitting guys, you know, and they're they're dominating the period, so subtle comes in between periods. And he was like, hey, guys. I I will be the first one to go say something to the refs abouts about Schwartz 'cause those guys are run around. And I don't want anyone to get hurt here. If now I mean. To some you know, some guys maybe don't get it or going. Okay. You know, it's real nice of it. But clearly being the complete opposite being completely sarcastic. You know, they're they're played tough. But they're not really big guys. So for him to come in of these guys are running around. But don't worry. I'm gonna tell the ref 'cause I'm afraid one of our guys to get that was pretty funny. And then the the time he said he was I was having a particularly terrible first period. I can't remember where and. When you when you play like to you guys know how to line I'm on the board. So they'll have the four lines. They got the three kind of all laid out. So I was on a second pairing with doughty it was Mitchell. Mitchell Voinov me, Dewey, and then Martinez and green. So he comes in the first few goes are left. Gotta gotta fuck and pick it up. They gotta pick it up. And he goes not the guy in the first line and the guy in the third line is fine too. But are left he not pick it up. So clearly figured out. There's only three din. Let's just raise the first in that there. But again, it's like something like if you realize what's going on. You know, you laugh at it. You get the point you kind of move on. But. Every two because he's he does talk pace like this. He's like I'm gonna have to talk to the referees. It's. And he bent over on the floor and. He's he's he's hunched over he comes in is his shirts on top, you know, within ten seconds of the period. Entities hunch down as is ties hanging. You know, and he's kind of like leaning over his, you know, he's got his hands on his knees. And he's he's talking. But I mean, certainly if you appreciate the delivery. It's was hilarious. But you also got the point. And that's what you know. That was part of what made him a good coach. You know, we had him in him in Penn. Always had some good exchanges. Interesting dynamic, the odd. Couple. But it was not he he certainly kept you on your toes. That's what made him affective. And then of course, the Cup win in the celebration. I heard well, I kind of know couple of guys told me that playoff run, Mike when you guys got the eight seed, and you made the run there that like every round it was like, okay. Let's go party. Like, we're finished eight see we knocked off number one. And then you guys just kept winning the party continue, and you guys were knocking teams often four and five games. I think you only lost three three games or four games at holy fuck that whole Cup run. Yeah. No, good run. It was you know, it was kind of. The whole division at year was was really close. I mean, I think we had a terrible last weekend and ended up you know, we almost won the division. And then we drop to the seat. It was it was that close. And was like we felt we were playing bed, you know. But certainly it it just wasn't just wasn't clicking for us until maybe the last ten games. We did pretty well. We had that bad last weekend, which leaves you bad taste in the playoffs. But we just I think we just played loose. You know, you're it's not as if we didn't have expectations for our selves, where you're you just kinda relaxed like, hey, look, there's not a whole lot where the feed let's just you know, kinda go out and give it the best tried that. That's not a loser attitude. That's really what it's all about. Let's make it happen. And it just clicked and the guys were everyone's playing well, we had a good group. We had a nice mix of veterans and young guys skill and role players all just kind of click at the right time. And we definitely enjoyed ourselves. So if the. First round think we had we won in. We'd be Hoover in five games. You know the other series. I think to the series in the western might went to seven. So we clearly had at least ten days off, so coaches always gave us a couple of days off, and and guys definitely enjoy themselves. You know, you should celebrate it and enjoy the moment, and then and then move on. But we definitely had we definitely ripped it up a little bit between series. But because he had the extra time. So Scuds other than my fall in Columbus. Are there any other ones that are very memorable because I know the one that Chris Kelleher is involved in must be up top of the list at the old Hershey bar Hershey bar and we used to play in. Yeah. That was that was a great one. Because again, I think I think tearing was was kinda on his case. And he was you know, was one of those things where you're you're just hold onto the stick a little too tight. And and he was just trying to do his job. But he had this this whole laris fall. I mean that was that was I think he was the level of the boards just parallel to the to the dasher and everyone's been there, and I've had plenty of good falls. And no one was laughing harder than may, you know, at the point where you're getting up, and and you're laughing at yourself. I think I think actually when I was playing against tens you had a pretty good one. I think he I it was one of those where every hockey players been there at some point and you step on the puck. And you just the way your body is at the time. You just can't you just you just can't seem to get it out from underneath you. And he was slip several times of maintained his bounce where it's almost better. If you went down. And you know, they basically just went back and scored and then in the same game. I think Macarena was coming down like one of these plays where your defense and coming up on the play late into the offensive zone. Talks come to the belying, no pressure. Absolutely nothing. There. He just kinda just takes a half. Digger runs. Runs into the wall too on the other way goal. And that's usually what happens. It's you know, you make a terrible fall and they end up scoring on top of it. But I've had plenty of myself. And you gotta you gotta learn a last PETA 'cause I don't know. I think not not many people are pre shoot a good falls much wit night. So you got to be able to laugh at it. I think do love them to do Doughty's. Probably a he was a big fall fan. I mean did that the point now where I see a fall and right away of Mike. Oh my God. I wish Scuds is with me. Like a good fall where it's a straight up snipe job from somebody in the top row. It's like how can you not laugh at that? Yeah. It's it's it's it's it never gets old. It's just one of those things that some people appreciate more than others. And I think the I think the funniest ones are the guys that almost make excuses for it. Like, oh, well, no, you don't understand. This wasn't just just roll with. It was funny. You know, don't don't it happens to everyone at some point just. Just have a good one. Do you? Do you skate at all anymore? I play a couple of times I have a couple of friends here that I played junior with before went to college. So I'll play I'm I'm a half has scheduled guy. So I'll play one or two times a month. And it's fun. I enjoy it. But that that's about that's about all I haven't because I on the ice with my boys. You know, a few times a week, and I work with the junior team. So I try not to go three rinks day. I've learned is is never a good thing. So, but I do I could go on every once in a while those guys were were fun to play with when I was younger and and still good company now so get out with them. Well, I mean, I think that skating now is probably fun. But I mean, you at least try to hop into the rush. Now are you going to get involved offense? Or I mean, there was a time when Scuds would screaming on your wheel in the corners of forward and the officers on the deed, like, hey, hey, Scud, y'all. No, no, no, no. Because he didn't want the. No, no, I'm still, you know, we when the plane the men's league sometimes like, you know, what you're signed up for. So you can't complain. Yeah. But sometimes I still do the same thing I kinda account drift around make a breakout pass and I'll jump into the play occasionally, but mostly they're just a little sweat move the puck and enjoyed the company, but the. The schedule what the league refers to as an analytic nightmare now. So. Gonna play towards the end there off the gloss and out. I'll never forget. When you forgot the clear that puck, and we're we're we we fuck in. We're in Iowa. And and we're like, oh, it's put the veteran d on the back end up five four late in this game. And you fucking rimmed it around. I think you're still using wood sticks in two thousand sixteen and they d two d it was in the back Vernet. Luckily, we won that game in overtime. But that was my Fonda memory of you in the jungle. Yeah. Now, we'll be. Yeah. Certainly my game. Isn't you know, someone that's doing it now is just doing differently like you just hold onto the bucket of longer? And know, that's what happens the game changes ten years from now, you know, the new guys will be saying that about the guys the play the game. Now, it's just the way it goes. I was fortunate. I always considered the play my game in the air that where was useful. You know, if I was if I was playing the same exact game. Now, you know, be useless. But it was at least I was able to serve serve a purpose in the in the air that I played a the good thing about when Scuds is in the minors was the meals after the game in the NHL in the HOV the same because he just get like a sub from some ship bag place. He's AM go with a little chicken farms of maybe doesn't even have to be warm. Sometimes you know, you guys know how it is. It's just like repetitive. You know, it's a lot of the same foods along season. Every once in a while I used to mix it up in Wilkes rain, just go to sheets get surkey sub filter while wa what's the other one competitor? While was pretty solid got a great steak and cheese there, but just just a mix it up. I still did it even at the NHL is the place in deli in LA guys go to Renault that was pretty solid before games to a baloney sandwich. You're the you're the original Johnny ham and cheese. Like, I said you gotta mix up not every day. But you know, sometimes you get sick of the same thing. I mean, sometimes you're eating that meal, and you know, nothing I'm complaining about the meal, the food was delicious and everything like that. But you know, when you've had it so many times sometimes you looking at you like, I'm literally just eating this to live. You know? I just wanna I just wanna mix it up. Anything different will will be fantastic at this point. God your beauty. Thank you, very much Stanley two-time chance Stanley Cup champion Rob's Gary thanks for coming on. And I hope I hope we see each other soon. It'd be nice to get together and have a couple of Miller lights or Budweiser's. 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It'll be there on Thursday, Anita ankle biz bogeyman, dude. Now, really done. I'll shut up. So the big shadow to my buddy Josie all who brought me and Taylor Pyatt finally was able to get out of the house since he's had his beautiful newborn. Penelope. So we go to post Malone concert. I stink. Great. He puts on an unbelievable show. He's got some bangers. He I wouldn't I wouldn't put him in like the like the top echelon of rapper category. I'd actually and I'm gonna get smoked for this. I would consider him. The Nickelback of rap now before you some new people jumped down my throat. He his his wrap is a little weird in a sense where they have like a formula and algorithm the beats they're cranking out where they're not like like gangster beats they kinda like get your endorphins pumping. Would you agree? Grenell is one of those young guys. Yeah. I'm also a huge fan of his producer Lou bellies from Boston. So big his producers, Boston guy. So right. But like like sunflower in some of these other songs have a little bit more of a poppy tone to it. Yeah. Is more of a singer though. I don't think like rap. I picture him as a singer. Is it considered hip? I think he's like hip hop. Aren be. I think he's kinda he started a rapper and he's kind of transitioning into singing, which is smart because you can only keep that wrap thing going so long especially being white guy who's putting out poppy rap songs, but he lip sync the little bit was okay with that. Because when he did sing he was he was very talented. I was shocked to hear how long these. People wait to see him perform. There was girls that showed up there at one o'clock because we are fortunate enough where we got VIP tickets. But there was a gate behind us where these girls have been sitting there from two o'clock. And the show didn't go onto like eight thirty. So they just sat there the entire time to see this guy play. Now, another weird thing. There must have been a rapper that went on before him. Well, this guy came out to the VIP section, and he stood on that gaping, and he was just handing out hundred dollar bills. But he was making the people scream his name before. He did. Did you grab one you definitely grabbed one no pies? You looking at each other. Like what is like like where like hold on the back all my phone? Anyway, it was it was cool experience shutout the postal on hope people don't knock me for the Nickelback of rap comment and sure shit. They both have a song called rockstar. So that's kind of the cherry on top. We can move on. And once again, thank you to my buddy Joe for the tickets. I I actually like some of his songs and what you're saying little pop ish. But the always tired tattoo on your forehead as funny as that may be a slam my son's for through wall. It always tired on there. And you only what do you do? Like, I it doesn't matter plenty of money. Funny people love, but like Faulk, you buddy. He just looks like he stinks doesn't he he might actually heard. I've heard I was always a wives tale similar like the the old tale. Like who? Was it Kim? What was her name puppies? Girl will Kim though Kim got a stomach pump. 'cause she too much comment it like, that's the wives tale. There's a bedouin heard that about so many different. I've always also heard that post Malone like made a couple broads pass out from the smell of be. Oh, like, that's like the same type rumor that I've heard like, yeah. I think he just reeks up. He told me when he went and saw Jim James was the lead singer of my morning jacket that he actually got us a bunch of pictures signed from bonnaroo because we went to see him live there. He said that he's very pungent in the smell department. These people just third rockers they just don't care about that. And as I said post Malone. I mean, his taint area should be on fear factor. I bet you it's the stinky tank on. I put him up there with Frank Fleming from barstool for stinky paint in the league. Definitely don't want to speak in any way. Either one of those I been a rock concert in probably twenty five years biz. I'll give you guessed the last rap concert. I went to. Jar rule now twenty twenty five years don't even if he was around. Now, I saw I saw the beastie boys on the check your head to shit. I was like onto ninety awesome. Yeah. Man. It was it was that was their first album to where they kind of like really played their own instruments. Like it was the third one. Which is the pause boutique show, it was kind of a new style was phenomenal. I one of I don't think ever confessed to go into this concert. It was I wanna see eighty nine ninety MC hammer and Consett no way. Yeah. What was that? Like was he good live very white. Of course, you on that. Are you saying he didn't have the respect from his brothers? And so it was a predominantly white white crowd. Not just it was all knowing Lund's fucking ninety nine percent white. That's pretty why the crowd was white. Plus, I think we'll MC him appealed a lot. What white people? He didn't have a ton of street cred. When he was when he will. That's what I think. Yeah. I mean, you know, I I didn't see a ton of black people in that. This MC him about. Yeah. He was. I mean, he ran the fuck and Joe f- when he was he was one of the top selling rap albums of. But yeah, it was interesting Robert Parish was dead. So him show from from Dr. That's kinda cool that you saw the beastie boys. Much respect Daggs brother was I it was on to see them. We will honor. Yeah. Do one of the greatest psycho is are like innovate like a lot of like Eminem mentions them in his speeches. Can't see them anymore. Either back pox, Pittsburgh shoop aside genome outcome was hurt and Saturday's loss of the blues. He took a crush Jack from during the game. A lot of people think that's where you got hurt regardless. He's listed as week to week with an upper body injury back in February the team got a taste of life without Gino EMAS, five games with an injury in one due to a suspension the team went to and four in that time. The obviously wanna avoid slip to fired up in the eight seed plan, Tampa probably don't want that to happen to you right now say one team that, you know, looking at these numbers, they might not be a scariest people thought in the San Jose Sharks numbers. They kind of jumped out of the page, Abby. They're the worst combined. Save percentage of any team in the NHL. Not just playoff teams any team Adam grits NBC sports that are pretty good in depth article. Or a lot of stats Jones. Got respectable record thirty four fifteen in five goals against two nine one is rough. But the safe senators eight nine eight I mean, that's that's bad for for number one goaltender. A backup Aaron della seventeen nine seven again, that's certainly respectable record for a backup. But three ten three point one old against point eight nine save percentage. I can't imagine that instills a ton of confidence. Impeded the boys. You know, what the conference has goaltenders? I can't imagine to huge with those numbers. Among the fifty five goals of did in at least twenty games a season a Jones del ranked forty eighth in fifty fifth respectively. Overall, save percentage best man, it doesn't look great. When you take a better look. Yeah. I mean, we had Martin Jones to win the visit the start of the year. I thought that was a solid pick. I thought it was asleep. Yeah. And I mean Jesus Christ for talkable one team that has come this long without winning a Stanley Cup. And finally settled assembled unbelievable team in the last time. They went to the Cup. Martin Jones was a big reason why they did. So in could you imagine that now that they put the piece in place in front of him that he's able to perform playoffs with the team that they have that would be absolutely colossal on telling you, especially with Joe Thornton that locker room. Now, we don't know how much longer he's gonna play his bodies falling apart the minute. He leaves. It's a different. It's just a different or that locker room may need him to fucking step up in ready to go for this run. Because this is their chance their time is now and not, you know, I hope I hope for him in them that he can figure out because if there's one guy who deserves the Stanley Cup. I would have put Joe Thornton ahead oldie. But I'm happy Lovie got his Joe Thornton deserts, his well couldn't agree more biz. And I think there's a lot of parallels to the San Jose Sharks year in the capital's. It's the team. It's been there forever. It's a team that can't get over the hump that just can't get that that Stanley company route and form the same way. People wanted to see vegeta- winning Joe Thornton. You're right biz. It's even more. So so the only difference the only difference is that the Washington Capitals were going into this last year with Britain Hopi he'd had success in the past. They had that rock in net that you need to really trust a run a true run to the Cup finals. And with the goaltending in San Jose. You really can't. I mean, if if you put flurry on the roster to harass save you say what you want to harass care. You're eighty you know, carry price. There's a lot of goals you put in San Jose's team. You're like, they're the favorite. They're gonna they're gonna win the Stanley Cup. So either way it's a big it's a big test for both those guys. And I say both those guys ideally will only be one it will be Martin Jones. If it's both those guys there's probably an issue for the most part at some point in the playoffs. But it should be an interesting storyline to watch. And I just want, you know, kind of re up what you said biz that get your order Stanley. I feel like we could possibly without even know. Owing them get maybe a look to the Cup Cup party. No cameras. But he's like biz which is coming. Come and take it all in. I'd be out for it. One of the note said biz. I actually I didn't do purpose. But that just. You can come. All right. So are you guiding role unit? RA got me earlier in the reciprocating those locker room chirp to the core. I mean that does not go by lock. And without someone saying what is set only one of us who drank the Stanley Cup. That's all. You know, there's actually one other kind of crazy note over the past twenty five years. They've only been sixteen teams to finish in the bottom five in safe percentage. Still make the playoffs that season fourteen of those teams lost than either the first or second round of the two other teams went to the Stanley Cup. Final loss. The all nine Red Wings, which Chris Aswa? This is crazy. Like you just said about turning on for the playoffs. Osgood. Had eight seven regular season save percentage. He went up to a nine to six playoffs. And the other team was the Oilers six they they had picked up doing at at the trade deadline so that kinda wiped out the regular season. But I'll tell him in the shocks really gonna wanna catch Calgary for the Pacific and avoid plan. The gold Mike all shit, you're buzzing today. Lot of credit to. Said might pick you up. We gotta we gotta find a replacement Grenell twain roles in a run he had on that Oilers team. Lot of funny Dwayne roles and stories out there from Kalyani Sam gonyea, hor cough berry. Funny Rowley the goalie stories up to get those guys on some day. Maybe as you can join me, thanks that. We're friends as lined up the Tampa Bay Lightning rookie party one year while I was playing Zona. That's basically what I did. I played for the coyotes as a healthy scratch lineup. Other teams rookie parties at the W Scottsdale. This guy was the drunken guy in the world when I saw him with a dip, and I guess too. And he must have got his suit at a second hand store that was Kevin Durant draft suit. This guy had a five button suit. This thing it was like he was swimming. It was agriculture suit. I was how much money have you may go get a nice tailored suit for crying allow. But nonetheless, great guy would agree career. So I I would imagine seeing him that night that there are a ton of wing roles in stores, and if you're an oil fan that magical run when Chris Braga dominated role doesn't get hurt and Carolina game one you probably Stanley Cup champs because it's still went to seven an incredible game. I think Mark was it just heave marketing UC marketing. Yeah. 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Keep from the university of Maine Senator to yet entry level deal worth two point seven million balls yet twenty two points in each of his two collegiate seasons seventy I'm sorry. Forty four points. Seventy three collegiate games overall keep as a Manitoba, and he's the first of a member of the chick. Amac cremation play in the NHL schlitz, huge accomplishment for him as a huge source of pride for everyone. Back home is from Manitoba to Maine, the south Florida. So it's a pretty huge culture culture shock no-doubt, which you a little more information on him while I mean, I read the articles I talked to my good friend Billy Ryan, we talked about the coast of drove we talked about fifty sheet Bill Ryan while he's also a hell of a scope for the Florida Panthers. And he went up and watch the skit a bunch. I think he was one of the main reasons he signed there and just some really cool stories coming out of their signing. It's like this is honestly one of the best things of. About our our job. I should say when we talk about this just bringing up awesome stories from around the league. And this is one that goes back into our interview with to kinda shows how special, you know, someone like this making it's the NHL in actually getting a chance at the highest level at how much it means. People around town all the stuff I've heard about him. Great kid. I mean, he went from two years ago. He's playing in the Manitoba junior Hockey League he played for the same team to two. And now, listen I can't pronounce my own name. So let alone. Just gimme a little leeway in pronouncing. His team the old cow wiig opo opus Jack cremation blizzard, but he played there. He went to man. And when he got to main he was out of his element, man. He just like to talk about how different is when you leave home, and you leave this life that's been so normal and now quickly to go into how different his life is where he's from. He was asked by Eric Joyce, one of the guys with the Panthers. You know, he works in the front office there. He said, what's your house's address? He's like there's the rose house number is. He's like we don't really have numbers on the houses. Everyone just where everyone lives. So it's it's so different to to one into that. But when he got to main. I mean, this was so so much of a life change for him that it was really hard. And he also went there with a son. He went there with his girlfriend. He's his stepdad to to another another son. And so, you know, he's in family housing may and he's got this entirely different lifestyle. He actually bought rear four different round trip flights or not round-trips our trip home each IPE on a couple of trips home three or four times his credit card ended up getting maxed out the coaches. Well, no, no. You can't leave an in that time. He really leaned on Jordan Tutu, and he talked to too about you know, how hard it was how different the lifestyle was. I don't think I can do this. And this is a kid. That's so special in a sense that the last two summers a bunch of teams have asked him to go to the NHL NHL development camps in the summer. He said he'll go he's agreed. And then he doesn't come because he's ended up saying I needed to be home making money for my family like I'm father. I. A husband, and so the stuff that this kid's gone through and the path that he's taken. I mean, this is the type of thing where when this news broke back where he's from their kids cheering. There were kids chanting outside of school going bananas cheering for them. Happy for him. He'd sixty three cents sixty three cents in his Bank account when he went a little motion on-track busy at sixty three cents. He went to the airport. You went to the airport. They had to pay it. You know, it a couple extra bags. You gotta stick hockey Whitman as close he's meeting team in Dallas, dude he had to have money wired from Florida Panthers. Someone that works for the Panthers to pay for the baggage fees, and he got ninety two thousand five hundred dollars when he signed he's going to get about ninety five grand for the rest of the season being up with the Panthers. And he's going to get another ninety two thousand five hundred dollars when July. I it's and it's just to hear his Representative from gone. I don't have it written down. I feel bad. But a guy who's been with them a long time. And and him to say I've been a part of a lot of signings and guys who've signed for fifty to sixty. Dollars and set them up for life. But this is the coolest signing of apart on through life changing. So it's a kid that we're going to root for to kit with a ton of skills right now. What I've been told is not a not a great skater. But he's got good technique. You'll be able to maybe fix that with a little bit quicker. If we just gets a little bit leaner little stronger, he's never worked out in his life. He's just a true athlete. So good luck to him. And I really hope he gets in a game pretty soon with the Panthers because his quotes on how much it's meant to him. And how much that it's meant to the people back where he's from. This was in articles. And this was also talking to people, I know, and I mean, the fact that he comes from a place that you know, there was a national emergency in Canada in two thousand sixteen. There was a state of emergency called where he's from five kids committed suicide in in the in the weeks after that hundred forty kids attempted it and to hear that like it just like even think that number. It's it's bone chilling to think that many kids going through that many issues up where he's from and to to mention how hard a lifestyle that can be. So took to be the guy who ends up getting a chance to play. At that top level for this kid and Brady keep aware rooting for you because I don't think this is to quote, I agree though. Obviously, I don't he said I don't think that he understands how much of a different so make to to the kids and the people where he's from. So this is like, it's it's the best hockey news. You can get in. It's a cool story. And I I tell people to read up on him and read up on what he's gone through to get where he is. And then just route form going forward Faulk offers of all well, so that was incredible. I I didn't know that much about the situation but not to deflect anything from him. But that just goes to show how Jordan to pave the way he had somebody to talk to and to ask questions to because he was unfamiliar with what he was getting himself into as was Jordan to when he was the first one, right? So like Jordan to hadn't done that this kid might have quit or went home or so you talk about mentors and how important they are. There's a prime example so shuttled to our boy toots who obviously came on the podcast set the swearword record. We love you, buddy. And great. Job and just a great story and way to tell it and one last thing, I really really appreciated reading this part. He was cut three different times in a two year span by AAA team. And you know, his he ended up saying that his dad told them. Hey, if you wanna bad enough, you'll keep going back, and you know, just to hear like a father giving him that. You know, those words encouragement means a lot. I just like we said, you know, I said it fifteen times but good for him form. Exactly. It's a great story. These kids they come from a situation. That's that's a real rough one and they give inspiration hope to the kids back home show. Like you said which we're rooting for this kid big time. Switch over to the world of gambling right now. I know let's become very popular with a lot of listeners out there. I'm not should I saw this strategy that was posted on Twitter via who's the guy's name at covers underscore vagus. They they found a ticket. Somebody put a one hundred dollars wet on the island is to win the division at the beginning of the year. They were a hundred. One on November first to win the fucking metro division. Not the conference. I mean, that's a month. Then when they're probably around first place, right? They weren't doing bad at all. And it's a four hundred dollars ticket either. It's a ten dollar ticket the sellers trying to sell it. I I guess it's at pro swatted people have gambling tickets. They could sell them for a percentage of whatever this guy's asking thirteen thousand four hundred dollars for a potential which at a forty thousand dollar ticket. That's a pretty big ask. I mean, you're basically asking for a third of with the winnings would be would you do bite on that one? I would never give him that bio there isn't a chance the owners win that division. Really? Well, okay. You're going to be one of the top three teams. No, no, it's fine. I mean, they've they've kind of tailed off a little bit. Yeah. That was my hot take. And I don't throw it hot takes. I thought that they wouldn't finish the top three division. I was just saying to to buy it for thirteen grand. Like we're talking about Grenell. Could do. With the buffalo ticket as far as you could just like without with it. Hedge it you're saying. Yeah. You can hedge it like you bet against the islanders like to lose in an actual games leading up to the final games and probably make it back. And then who knows maybe end up turning that thing in forty grand. I don't know it would be a convoluted hedge I was thinking about myself you by of specially person bought it for that number. It would be tough to figure out. Exactly how you would hedge it with so many games left. But yeah, I mean, the only two points back with nine ago, it's it's not a bad ticket to hold on. But it is a tough way to hedge. Also speaking again gambling stars puck line back. Got a got a gift Tuesday night. I send you guys the video Alexander agile offers going down coming down the left wing got an open net boats. Make the game vote. Give two goal lead to Dallas fuck and Mike Kaufman froze his can stick knocks the puck away and the ref awarded the goal right away to Radulovich been kind of keeping tabs on these awarded goals are a couple of guys get screwed earlier in the when the penalties they probably should've gotten them. But it was interesting the goalie, I'm sorry. The ref right away. Call that a goal gave the puck. Back as a win which which think of that is pretty easy call for the referendum. No doubt. No doubt. If you've got an empty net in front of you. No matter what you do if you 'cause the guy not score getting the goal or should at least. Yeah. Exactly. And it's it was a no no brand. But I just Gino Benda was Rafferty probably to other team. All. But as you know, we're big puck line guys hit so to see someone get the cover on its own. Stick was was pretty funny to me anyways. I let's talk about the gambling corner. Now, we already brought up gambling this episode gambling corners. Brought you by ZipRecruiter. Hiring is challenging. But there's one place you can go with hiring simple, fast and smut a place with growing businesses. Connect you qualified candidates that place ZipRecruiter dot com slash chick. Let's ZipRecruiter send your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology ZipRecruiter skins, thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience. Invite them to apply to your job as applications come in ZipRecruiter analyze each one spotlights job candidates. You never missed a great match ZipRecruiter show affective that eighty percent of employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day. 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So in that vein this pick Thursday, Columbus at Edmond. Tin Columbus, finally finding the form after all those deadline up from Columbus hotline. Just the park nine four unit gonna win. I don't I don't think they're going to be to to cheap of by that night. I it's tough to predict these two today's out, man. It's it's tough to do on. Columbus Klein, Friday, San Jose. At Anaheim, San Jose is going to do they can do to avoid vagus and the first Brown. I knew I just kind of dumped I didn't write dumping the goal reported this stats, but either way I like San Jose same situation potline for unit touch the money line on the game. So the goal. Hopefully, we'll see what happens, and I know no one's gonna see here this because or before the games played because of games being played on Wednesday in this episode drops Thursday but lease lost again on Tuesday to Nashville three nothing. I would hammer the Leafs tonight against the sabres. They haven't been. Rent. Oh, really? Yeah. They'll be a huge favourite. All really now. What do you think that somebody's gonna guess right now? Actually, I could probably look it up. Maybe already look it up on guessing game in in buffalo. Okay. So the lease back back with Tra with a little bit travel. I still think the Leafs are minus chew fifteen money line. I mean, they've been troubling. So I don't know. I know it's for them. Better teams the teams in the playoffs against these. It's almost better to take buffalo. I feel like at this point. Just odds wise just a little bit le-. Let's just take out completely minus one forty five. Okay. Okay. So so I'll admit that. I'm a horrific gambler, and that I was wrong here may because the Lifson playing so bad and they're on a back to back. It's not as bad as I thought. Yeah. The minus one forty five and if you want them on the puck, that's plus one seventy I think okay is I'm doing this Abban abyss are. Let's see. Let's see my first lays out. Yeah. I'm having. I'm having both. I love it. Those are great odds reliefs against the sabers right now. Yeah. The plus one seventy my only trepidation would be the Leafs ton to play for the probably figuring that it's gonna be tough to catch Boston. They're they're basically kind of locked in that cokes. It's not going to be treated like that. Yeah. Good point. Well, and we have to give a little shuttle to knee land or who's produced at a sixty two point pace, the past two months. I've been a little bit hard on them. Of course, I mentioned with tummy sticks thing he hadn't had the best start to the year. When he when he after he finally signed a only Marna Taveras at Matthews have scored more among Fords needed six weeks to get up to speed, but has been he's sense. So that that was actually a tweet sent out by Myrtle. Who were you know, I figured I'd be able to sneak in will complement for Neil Lander. 'cause I would you say I've been a little hard on them. Yeah. Those veteran and you gave some credit. That's how we always give credit. How we do. Yeah. How we do. I you said before the show you had a story about feet you wanted to shale at the voice with the crowd. Yeah, inc. Very interesting. So good pal Rudy where except barstool sports one Asheville championship at Denver. I was at the bar with him on Saturday and. Every night. And so he he recently had gone on the caller daddy or did a video with the caller daddy girls or something on their Instagram. So he's gotten a ton of new follows so long story short. We're out the bar. And I think he posted an Instagram story in some guy replied to it and was like, I will pay you money for a picture of your feet right now, I'll pay you like like like a ton of money for a picture your feet. So we're like, you know, what we're just gonna make. This guy's day. Rex Ryan at g mail com. So we just took his he took his shoes off at the bar sent sent the guy picture. And then the guy was sent him some pretty dirty messages back, and he's like a apparently we looked at the guys Instagram, and he's a he's a sex leave. He is he's got pictures of him with like a leash around his neck. And so, yeah, that's my story about feet. This guy is Rudy just make it as you know. We're just sitting there, and we're like, you know, what we'll just we'll make disguise day. I was really take your shoes off and Rudy snap to pick of his feet and send it over funny. You say that about the sex slave? So I have a friend who works at a plastic surgeons office and a girl was coming in for breast augmentation. And she brought in a guy with her. And she was like, oh is this your husband's like, oh, we'll know is just a friend in long story short. They got closer and closer. And she was telling her like, hey, I'm Mike a girl who goes over, and I make guys my sex slave where these guys will pay her large amounts of money. And she comes over ties them up like puts gag balls on them. In just beats the wheels off these guys, and they'll pay her five six hundred bucks to come over for a few hours. And then she leaves. There's no like no sex exchanged. They she just beats the fucking wheels off put nipple clamps on. On them like search boxing, their balls. Kinda like you're talking about the one episode. I've seen guys downturn shitter pro into that freakish all think about all these single guys single older guys. Go to Thailand. Yeah. I know. Like, the the, you know, the stuff around the house like he's like a handyman for lack of a better term this guy. He told me I go over to Thailand every year. He's like sixty years old from Ireland on my Jesus for doing Iran. Yeah. As a lot of fucking creepy shit that goes over on over the drilling painting. Please did you say poor people. Go to tricks Zell. You wrote not knowing on on on on. I didn't. I did not say that it was it was the barstool radio clip chirping Ryan for going to Turkey Keiko saying that's NHL island that's on NHL players island. It looks pretty NHL. The me. I mean, if this isn't that might be the dumbest thing Dave's ever as this place is NHL as it gets. And by the way, Saint parts he brings up Saint parts golf course there. You think I'm gonna go somewhere where there's a golf course. I mean, I'm here. Spend thousands of dollars to go scuba diving. I'm under the ground. I'm like the guy from little mermaid under the dick it from me down here at bed where it is weather under those. Always. And that's and you think that this isn't an NHL place or cough. Dave, Dave, just works. Dick off I'll give him credit. But he's so miserable that he's not on vacation as often as I am because he's like, I'm still growing my company. I'm still growing my company. I mean when he's done I've reached a level where I'm happy. He hasn't good for him. When he's done. He's going to be doing the exact same thing minus the two episodes of chick every day. So he can sit on Keiko Solly wants along the little rant there. Are we talk about that cash? Maroon fight reverse Tommy's, fix the old buddies going out. Date. Yeah. They had the dinner before the game to write biz. I believe so yeah, he's a couple of gamers say they were getting a little era -tated with each other was getting pumped and in cast step dot kassy's been one of the bright spots team this year, I post on Instagram awhile back just congratulate him when he got that deal. Always really turned his life around, you know, he's sober and really happy for him and his family, and he's really he's twelve or thirteen goals this year. And he's gonna be going the playoffs to more. Maroon so good for him little delayed chiklis bump, but I think that about wraps it up. We're gonna win over quite a few topics with NHL PA plays politics drop that Wednesday morning will address that next episode because the worst some categories that will little off the beaten path, you guys might appreciate Sola. Everybody have great weekend and enjoy enjoy your team. And before we leave just wanna wish the UC. Irvine ant eaters who are the thirteenth seed in the south bracket of March madness all the luck in the world. You know, I love we got northeastern. We got northeastern you missed anti. He's I don't give a shit, dude. You think I'm not cheering for team called the ant eaters? You're fucking high. I actually thought you meant the team we have to go to Vegas. I'm Huntington hound this week, though, scumbags over northeastern. Let's get us the Vegas, boys. Let's call. Let's get to today. Fourteen or we're screwed I panicked. I'm sorry, boys. I fucked that went up I went up you could've picked who. So we when we got to pack. The cameras are on I go up and I go to pick Belmont because Belmont the best pick and apparently picked Belmont right before me, I wasn't paying attention. I had a lot of people around me. So I panicked. And I picked pick northeastern they're playing Kansas in the first round. So you could have had another ten or nine seat, and you north east and all there wasn't much left on the table. I was one of the last guys to go. But I probably could've got better pick. So you're one of the last guys to go Belmont went just before you. Yeah. I think Belmont. When no one really knew what they were picking. I'll tell you who I blame I blame Brett Merriman. Merriman was in my ear. He's a northeastern lump saying they got this guy Vaas up going the you mean the guy who had us take the Pacific coast. Highway instead of taking one that would get us there three hour sooner. So we're we're staring out at the ocean in the dark. A moment. If I have a moment around Brett where I just kind of like, you know, your does off and they deja bit. I would look at 'em. This is the fucking kid wanted to see the sunset on the Pacific Coast Highway cautious an extra seven hours gret. I love Brett big breakfast to quick things on the marshawn comment of him being great for league. Some people are crying and shit. He's eleventh in scoring. This guy's on social media trolling his teammates have any time. It was crossed the line. A couple times with some dirty plays. Licken guy's face. Yeah. I don't condone that he's made mistakes. But he fucking brings it to the edge. And every time his names mentioned your skin crawls, and you stare at the TV, and you yell and he's a polarizing figure if you don't think he's good for the NHL than your moron. So fuck you. Don't message me on Twitter, though, message me on Instagram kiss my ass. Brad marchand. Good for the NHL every everything in movies. You need you need the good guy. And you need the villain and he's a villain. And I fought in brace that because he doesn't give a shit, and he's entertaining his Faulk if you lick me in the face. Yeah. I've been thinking a little bit differently. Maybe depends out, but how many fucking Molly capsules I had in me. I guess. With already based on last lasting quickly here. The US program thing I made a comment comment them on how they run their business. That is not the only reason why the amount of NHL that are US Boerner on the rise. There are other factors. I just didn't mention them. I mean, let's look at the the fact that just more kids are signing up for minor hockey United States. Let's look at the fact that that hockey's becoming so expensive in Canada. And that's the reason pry less Canadians are signing up, and there's less Canadians at the NHL than there used to be what are some other factors? Maybe some a bunch of Canadian hockey players people in our country three hundred million people, but more more and more signing the hawk result. Right. And then I would think that all these older hockey players who played in the NHL who now settled down these NHL cities who have children nowadays, become coaches. That's gotta help development. So there's plenty of factors. Just mentioned one people people assume because I mentioned one was only. The reason why the United States in the last I think in the last nine years since two thousand ten the percentage of NHL hours that are US born has gone up eleven percent while there's a lot of factors that contribute to that. I mentioned one get off my fucking ass. Don't tweet near Instagram about that when anymore. Busy doesn't like it lay off every pass. See pick. Guys. It's a pleasure talking next time. I talked to be stateside I'll be back at the end of March and golf season's coming up. See? From me. They were on. That we. For. 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Iran and (more) Nuclear Archive

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Iran and (more) Nuclear Archive

"Uh-huh. You are listening to the arms control podcast leading podcast on arms control disarmament and on, proliferation. Jeffrey Lewis the founding publisher of the arms control. Walk log and scholar at the Middlebury institute of international studies at Monterey Eckstein director of the Middle East program at the foreign policy research institute Philadelphia been Aaron. I'm tired. It's been a busy week. Lots of deliverables, and none of it like intellectually fun. You know what I mean? I am also tired and cranky it is rainy here, and I have been just working off measuring that new North Korean missile and processing satellite images, which is not the podcast. We're gonna do. But boy, when it rains, it pours, yeah. It's, it's, it's one year anniversary JC peel away day. So it's time for flock Segel's version of Iran for listeners Wednesday is the one year anniversary of the Trump administration's decision to stop adhering to joint comprehensive plan of action, the Iran nuclear deal end. So the Iranians had some thoughts and feels about that. Yeah. Yeah. It comes on the heels of the American designation of the, of the Islamic republic's revolutionary guard corps as a foreign terrorist organization and the decision to withhold some of the waivers that we hidden giving for third countries to implement L. Events of the way. So it's been a fun week. Yeah. And also some of the waiver they reduced them in terms of the time. So, for example, the waiver that would allow foreign companies to continue to work converting the arak a R a K nuclear reactor was, there was still a waiver. But it is ninety days instead of one hundred and eighty days. Right. And maybe tell listeners what that waiver was allowing them to do as part of the juicy pietas because implementation. So the Trump administration renewed. Five waivers that allow civilian nuclear cooperation Iran to continue. And that cooperation is part of helping Iran comply with the deal, but the waivers again, work cut down from one hundred eighty days to ninety today to ninety days, which is kind of like just a it's like just a dick move. Yeah. Right. It's a giant one finger salute. You know, because that means you're either going to have to come back in ninety days again, and do the waivers or it's just a way of delaying in ounce -ment that ultimately, you're not going to extend the waivers anymore, right? And in this case, the waivers worked to basically allow the case of the China, the country of China to help with conversion. So it creates less plutonium I e the stuff that you wanna put in the bomb. And I think for Oman, it was to buy excess heavy-water that they produce their heavy-water production plant. I think Russia got one too or. The removal, or the, the taking of, of low enriched, uranium, right, which, by the way, then brings us to Iran's response. Yes. So they came off. Well, they are unhappy. Right. They're unhappy that the Trump administration decided to stop implementing the American commitments under the JC CPO away and the ramping up of secondary sanctions, particularly on their oral sector. And said some of the voluntary things that they were agreed to within within the JCP away that they're going to stop doing in this case. It is a cap on the percentage purity of their up the low enriched uranium at three point six percent, and this excess heavy-water issue, which I mean seems like a fairly proportionate response to if the US is not going to. If you is threatening basically to cease waving sanctions for those activties, the selling of heavy-water and the export of the Elliott, then, you know, understandable, that the Iranian response would be like, then fun will accumulate L you in heavy-water? We'll see if you like that any better. Right. Right, right. And they were really showing the Iranians by forcing them to increase their stockpile of L E, you that they could they could use for a breakout, unbelievable, that people are going to start worrying about break. We'll get to that in a second, you know as, as the stockpile creeps up. You know, the breakout I actually think I actually think we all catastrophically misunderstand, David Albright's, hawkish nece on this issue. It has nothing to do with anything other than I think he was just a bitter that the only thing he knew how to do which was the same breakout calculation over and over had become irrelevant under the JCP away. And now I suspect he'll he'll be delighted because he can release the same report over an. Over as every month. He redoes the breakout calculation. And this. Spoiler alert as the amount of Iranian Elliott goes up there will be a partial decrease in the amount of time. It would take them to Rian Richard faster upwards of Wedneday proportional increase in publications by the institute for science international security, and I suppose they are helping hoping a proportional increase in their funding as well, haven't proportional military strike. But all of that the run, then he would be out of the breakout business. I think that's why we misunderstand him. He just. He's just I think he's just looking for a simmer. Okay. Fair enough. But I think maybe a rolling boil I don't know. But he. I do think that the point is, is the running also gave a timeline in that I think it was sixty days, basically the Europeans have to start doing some of the by their financial part of the job. I e trying to circumvent American sanctions to bring them back towards. You know, basically, the lower level limits within the juicy P away at on this L U in heavy-water issue. Which, again, I mean, just conceptually when Iran's covert nuclear activities, became public, the international community put sanctions on Iran. The idea being that these sanctions were incentives for the Iranians to stop their bad behavior, and the Iran nuclear deal is oh, look, the Iranians agree to stop the bad behavior and live with increased monitoring. And so the sanctions come off. Right. But if the US position is no you stop what you're doing. But the sanction stay on right. Like it's it's hard to imagine it's hard to imagine that the Iranian sustain the deal. So the desire to see that increase trade and investment, which, of course, is the reason that row Hani and others. Iran push the thing through like without that, when there's just there is no constituency in Iran for being humiliated. Constituency in any country being humiliated, but we should also be clear. What, what the sanctions are we call them? Secondary sanctions. Right. But what they are is they are. They are potential sanctions on third countries or third countries primarily based in Europe. That if they do something with Iran, they will then feel pain from the United States. So they are the threat of sanctions on our allies. I think that's important to actually say because when we rested up and call them secondary sanctions, it sounds like we're sanctioning Iran, where like we're threatening sanctions on our allies, if they want to do business with I think that's right. I you know, obviously the, the. We call them secondary sanctions, and we talk about the sanctions as being on, on Iran, because the idea is that the threat of punishing your allies will result in them passing along that pain the Iranians by refusing to cooperate with them. But you're absolutely right. Right. These are these are threats to punish our allies and our partners, which, you know, brings with it, it's, it's its own set of downsides, right? And so there is like around is I always call it an international irritant particularly the US. But we blow it so far, either proportion for a number of reasons again that some people may disagree, my point of this is what the Iranians are asking of the Europeans. And in this case, the at this point the four plus one, it's now it's the UK France and Germany. In this case, your, the three American allies, excluding Russia and China for the moment. They're asking them to start shoveling money at them. As part of the JCP away, commitments, otherwise with after that, sixty days, the stuff on U and heavy-water they'll make go away. Right. Which honestly, I think is pretty reasonable on their side. It wasn't a wholesale thing in there. They're playing off of the Trump administration. Yeah. I mean it it actually strikes me as. Fairly adroit. I the way I see it in interested in what she what you think. But Rohani has this interesting challenge in that? He's got the United States attempting to put pressure on Iran. And so on the one hand he wants to find ways to deliver improvements in Iran's economy that will increase his political power, but he needs to, like, hold off the hawks or quite critical of him in Iran, and they're, they're pretty critical of him. And then there, but, but to get that trade in right. He has to find a way to divide Europe from the United States. So you know, he he's not he's not stupid. It's I think actually a pretty clever way of responding in a way that mutes some domestic criticism, makes US allies uncomfortable about the directions. Things are heading, but doesn't fundamentally break that relationship. Right. Because I think it's, it's important, it's just distinguish how he's playing it. From how a different arrangement political figure might play it right. Like different figure might just be like screw this deal, right? Yeah. And, and that's not that's not this strategy right? This strategy is about putting pressure on the Europeans in order to get some of the benefits under the deal while mollifying his domestic critics. Yeah, I nothing to add their other than I mean just real simply way, he's trying to gain leverage here. I think the ultimate goal is to run out the clock. The expectation is that they'll be a new American administration, you know, if they can just keep kicking this canned down the road. But I need to start seeing some the Europeans stepping in to try and keep this deal alive. So they're essentially asking you're up to defy the United States on this instance within the broader to to. To, to attain the broader entrance of maintenance of, you know, in this case, a robust non-proliferation agreement because the, the unintended tight, the unstated threat that he's making is actually that breakout time. Do you know what I mean? Like that's right. Yes. That's right. Yeah. And so we say that breakout time and all the tension that comes with, with that breakout time the once a month reports all my God. There are eleven months on my God. Do you hear the ten months on my God? It's nine months down in down the road. Create sort of an atmosphere of tension about what happens when you get within three months in that breakout time does. The threat of conflict, become more tangible, obviously, nobody actually really wants conflict, except for a small group of people in Washington, and I have to say here, right? This goes back to a conversation. We had a lot in the lead up to this agreement. If the Iranians decide that they are not going to live with this agreement. I don't think we're gonna hear about it in a press conference. Right. No involving the president of Iran. I the model that we, we have seen in the past, and you know, things can change the model. We saw in the past is a covert program that is parallel to the civilian enrichment effort, which is outside of sanction or outside of safeguards. That's designed to produce this capability that can be presented at the appropriate time as fate accompli. Yeah. So, you know, so win. Roy Hani finally decides he's not going down this road anymore and or he's replaced by someone else. I mean, there may be a political piece of talking about not complying with certain aspects. But I think when this process breaks for good, I think, you know, they're not going to announce it. They're, they're just going to start digging. Which is nice segue to the second part of this conversation, which is we never had the full frontal arms control wonk. Deep dive into what are we calling it? Or what is the what is the lingo, the atomic archive, the secret archive, the Iranian nuclear archive? Right. Which Harvard University has now largely made available, which is to say they've made available the documents that they receive. After their briefing that resulted in their report. Right on of the archive. Nets toward noting. When you go through it. What what they got. And, and, and, you know, I'm sure they'll object to it. But what, what, what the all break group got was they got a briefing. Yes. That's certainly what looks like they don't they didn't get to roam the archives freely because there's a lot of material, they had material that was called for them, and then presented to them, which is not nothing wrong with that per se. I think the Harvard report is a little more forthright about. What kind of access they had and the limitations that imposes on their building to draw certain conclusions? So, for example, one thing is now that and to their credit. Right. They put this these documents online, these rallies have censored some of them. Yeah. Well this weapons. Well I mean there's a discussion of cooperation with third country that looks very much like its North Korea, these rallies have taken document from Farsi. They've translated it without providing the original documentation, and then they've deleted or redacted the references to that country. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Which, you know, it doesn't doesn't mean the documents not interesting, but I think it helps illustrate the. Limitations as an analyst, in terms of being able to verify the documents. Right. Like, none of the none of the folks at Harvard spoke, Farsi wouldn't really have mattered. Because generally, they didn't interact with dark documents in the original language, they didn't really I there are believer some instances where they were shown original documents, but the archive is held by the Israelis, and, and some of that information is being provided to external groups. And again, I think the Harvard team handled it about, as well as you could write in terms of making that information available, but it's just useful to be. Direct about what kind of information exists in what kind of access is given to it. I think for listeners them in the archive refers to the Israelis went into Tehran. And they took a whole bunch of documents from a warehouse be rate. It's stuck it all it aware all in one place. Good job by you around. Well. Really far funnier. Life is life is not a mission impossible movie. It is Coen brothers movie. That's maybe the title is episode. It's so true. And they took them how they got him. Bb BB did a PowerPoint presentation. And they've made available. The document. It's, it's I would the way I would classify the documents all caveats aside that you just it is the caveat that take you start to finish about how you would build a nuclear weapon, and they are purposely laid out, you know, again assuming the documents are accurate. It shows very healthy nuclear weapons program that was, you know. Close to coming to fruition. I mean, I'm always hesitant to say that, but like they were they were well on their way towards final assembly. Yeah. I think that's right. Which I if you go through and read the Harvard report, which I think is quite good. But in the show notes. So just look down. Yeah. I mean it is clearly, it has I should count. How many authors I have a right in front of me? What does it have? It's got six six authors, and they clearly do not agree among themselves. It's, it's like a document by consensus and that's not a criticism. No. I mean you have six others who don't agree bright like I mean, I think early on. They say that they have very different attitudes about the JCP away. So I think it's very hard to write a document like that. I think the best part is appendix a which I don't fully agree with. But it is four pages of what we thought we knew based on, I eight yea- documents mostly. Yup. Versus what the archive would suggest. Right. And. I have had several conversations people involved, and they all summarize the relationship between those two questions, a little differently from one another as, as you would expect human beings to do Coen, brothers. Well, I mean it's you know, but I definitely now that we have seen the underlying archive. I mean, the detail is kind of interesting in a in a in a walk porn kind of way, I still don't think it fundamentally changes, what we knew I could not agree more, but I love the pictures. You know, like pictures, great pictures are like graphic X. Rated full-frontal 's they're wonderful. And a lot of like the way I've started to think about it is, like, we had a really good idea about what this program look like from a document. I e a documents. But you made some sort of, like inference assumptions about what the program probably looked like, because it was, it was dry bureaucratic text the pictures and the documents that are provided in the archive feeling details that would make the book like the Iran nuclear program. Like you could turn it into a narrative nonfiction re rather than like a news summary. Does that make sense? I do. And that's the way I it does. Yeah. So I mean I just. We won't go through all of these right? But I think a good example, is there what we thought we knew and, and what our briefing suggests for strategic intent. So here's what they say for what we thought we knew h fourteen if you're falling along at home right for strategic intent. Right. It's just easiest to do the highest level, one. And then maybe we'll pick a little bit late, but unknown possibly just a nuclear weapons option for later decision activities described as development of a nuclear explosive device or working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons. Okay. And they say like what are briefing suggests high level decision to manufacture nuclear weapons and carry out and underground nuclear test until stop work. Order in two thousand three. I actually think we knew that. I mean, I certainly didn't think that it was purely an option. And you know. We have the an perhaps, blur, the IRA, and the and I eat together. Yeah. Two thousand seven hundred by the right. But, you know, the two thousand seven I e says, we assess with high confidence that until fall two thousand three Iran in military entities were working under government direction to develop nuclear weapons. Like. Yeah. That it's come under government direction to develop nuclear weapons that it doesn't say bomb option. Right. And all of the laptop of death material. Right. It had the information about testing in it. Yeah. Yeah. So we knew that attest, was a thing that they were going to want to do, so you know it's not that I don't. You know, like high level decision of faction nuclear weapons, as the thing that the briefing suggests I, I have an e that says that there is a government direction, which, I mean maybe high level is like is like slightly new. But I don't think anybody thought that why. An effort of this size was being carried out. Without. I don't know what high level. I guess means, but I, I don't think you could do it without a high level. I don't I don't know that anybody is I guess, I don't know anybody who said this was a low level program that was just kind of meandering along. The other thing I, which is always been something annoyed me about the way that the I eight year used to phrase this, but they used to say. Right. That the range of activities relevant to the development of nuclear explosive device where conducted in Iran prior to the end of two thousand three as a coordinated effort. Yeah. Right. So I take coordinated effort to develop a nuclear explosive device. Right. Right. Exactly. If you refresh, you know. I mean, I get the way that I understand they wanted to describe the range of activities relevant to development of nuclear explosive device. But this is kind of my kind of nit pick with a lot of these things where the what we thought we knew in what are briefing suggests I think sometimes are presented as being. A wider gap, then at least existed in my mind I never doubted that this was a high level decision, and I think the e is clear that this was a directed Joyce. Yes, one hundred percent and the idea, let me I guess what they are being avert about with the archive with the archive is that there is this sort of idea that elements with Iranian within the Iranian system wasn't aware of the extent of the weaponization program. Even if they were sort of a wear of the fact that they had intent to build a nuclear weapon, but the idea that the supreme leader wasn't briefed before we actually do this always struck me as farcical this is a multibillion dollar thing here. It's not as if you can get away with this by charging on the company, credit card, claiming it's gas receipts. This is a big deal. In. So I this strikes me as nitpicking phrase, phraseology words, rather than using your brain, I guess, my concern is what we thought we knew in this report is sometimes, I believe, straw person. Yes. Yes. Exactly. It's not that the report inaccurately summarizes the material. It's the I. There were a variety of opinions prior to the release of the archive and some of those opinions were silly at the time and they remained silly and they remained silly in light of the archive and they make their appearance here. But it kind of implies that everybody it really, for example. I mean that's why I keep going back to regime intent. Like it's a it's a perfect example, where yes, there are people who claimed Iran never intended to build a nuclear weapon. But like. Like those people were insane. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. It's you know, I think if you read the e and you read the I a report, it is clear that there is government direction and, you know, we can quibble about how high level is high, but like. You know. As a practical matter. I don't think there was ever any serious consideration. That this thing was was was just running without without much without much top cover. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right. And I mean if you just keep going down a little bit. Maybe we get into the timing now you know, 'cause one of the things is like it, there's the halt. I mean to use the US do use those. I know it should be upon it should be as pause would be better work 'cause they meant Holt and his if people were marching and they stopped, but you can keep marching again. Right. Right. So that, that is a thing that people don't understand is halt, was meant to mean pause because the people who wrote it had I. Yeah. No, they weren't. But but, but I think that, you know, in that culture and environment when I mean, I know because I had this conversation they thought of halt, like March. Like you're marching and and those of us who've never marched the marching band. They weren't in the military, right? And you know, we, we, we like made mix tapes instead, because we, we, we, we had other things going on high school and college, and I would I would have thought of a tape player as he d player. Pausing Spotify lady for the young. Right. Although I guess you can pause. Yeah. Does it stream does it? Pause. Or does it break the stream? And then you come back in it's specific to you. Right. Don't use Spotify. So we're clearly old anyway. The point being. Right. It's as nuclear weapons program halted in fall, two thousand three and then they say, right confirms major activity stopped in leaked thousand three but reveals coordinated efforts to fill in technical gaps continued divided into over and covert. Portions, no information on activities after the mid two thousands like. When you go back and read the IRA, and they, they mentioned this in what we thought we knew right? Is that the there's no credible evidence of activities after two thousand nine so we knew stuff kept happening? Yeah. I think they talk about it within the it's, it's, it's the band. I call it sort of like the weaponization band conduct themselves in the universities and probably continued some level of studies. Right. So I guess if you took what we thought we knew nuclear weapons program halted in the fall two thousand three yes, we still know that weaponization was a coordinated effort prior to the end of two thousand three yes, we still believe that. Some activities thereafter, but not part of a coordinated effort, no credible evidence of activities relevant to the velopment of a nuclear, explosive device. They're kind of they're what they're saying is like. Well, there wasn't effort to fill in gaps. Right. So the idea was that it was not completely uncoordinated. It's like that's a. That's a really. Tiny. Question of emphasis, and I'm not even sure you know that the that the I a report is. I mean, there's probably a question of how they're using coordinated right? I mean you really turning on on on. Really simple word choices made in in, in detail documents. Yeah. And so it's like well between two thousand three and two thousand nine the big difference is the I says they were not coordinated not part of a coordinated effort. And we want to quibble with that, because they maintained an organizational structure like it's not clear to me that the underlying evidence is any different. It's it, it really is just the like interpretation. Yeah. Yeah. Does that make any? So it does it does. It just it just feels so small to me like when you really put them side by side. You could win over language, your quibbling over definitions of what coordinated. Yes, which just is not it's similar to the hope. I mean I it's much the same way it's how you choose language like halt, was not the best word they should've used pause and you hit it, it is. Yeah, you, you literally could have said well, the NIS said hold, but the document. But the archives shows that they just paused. Yeah. And, you know, the but the answer is, like, well, that's kinda what they meant by hall, but it was a bad word choice, and like pause and halt, or metaphors and what we're really interested in what in what they actually did. And, you know, I mean I, I give the Harvard folks credit, it's hard to summarize the stuff. So it's not like I think that they're doing it badly or in bad faith. But I do think when you really look at the kind of stuff side by side. You can see how six authors. Look at the archive and, like, none of them come away, feeling differently about the JCP away, right? The ones who hated it. Still hated the ones. Donated still don't hate right. And I think I mean one of the, the interesting part about the, the archive within the documents is that they make reference, they make references to more foreign assistance. I mean you reference it up top. Than we pray more foreign experts than was previously, right? Yeah. That's right. Which is interesting. And the explosive developments were also pretty interesting, even though we knew about a lot of those things as well. Yeah. I don't really know how to make that. Because like if you look at I mean, there are different different pieces of explosives, in the you know, there's the. There's the explosives testing right? But the one I was kind of interested in was the. Shock driven. Neutron initiators. Right. Because they say what we thought we knew was some Member State information indicates work on shock driven neutron initiators, but no clear. I e e conclusion. Like that's fair. But the original paragraph says additional information provided by Member State prior to November two thousand eleven indicated that activity in this area may have continued interrupt after two thousand four and that from around two thousand six onward a Ron had embarked on a four year program on the validation of shock driven neutron source design, including the use of non nuclear material void contamination, Iran stated during technical expert meetings of two thousand fifteen carried out no activity practical theoretical related shock driven neutron sources like it is true. There's no clear conclusion. But like they're talking about their experimentation with Shaq driven neutron sources. Yeah. And then, and then what the archive shows is that. Yes, there were shocked driven uranium due ride initiators. So it's. It. It's like. It's nice to know that the Member State was correct. But, like, did we not believe the Member State? I like I did. I like you'll maybe that's the point is like we believe I know you believe this talk about those about gas, we believed we don't have to be convinced that Iran had a well-developed full-scale down nuclear weapons program with everything that, that entails to build a nuclear weapon, and the deliver. I so like my I didn't have to be convinced that Iran was acting, it bad faith in terms of non-proliferation commitments, I assume have internalized and accepted that Iran was acting at bad faith, and therefore, the, the archive compliments, or supplements, so much of what we knew in the I E report that just says. Oh, yeah, that's really interesting. That's how a state would go about building nuclear. Weapon do you? I it. Oh, totally. I mean, I think it all comes back to these simplistic presentation that Netanyahu made at the beginning, right? Where he said Iran lied. And those of us who support the dealer, like, of course they lied. That's why we needed to diplomatic solution because the other option was worse. It was it was a run building a bomb or us. Attacking Ron instance, we didn't want either of those things the JCP away, seems, great, right? This ministry would rather move aircraft carriers around and. Bomber who other right? We got the beefy. Just right. So, you know, I. I guess I again, I have to say, I really I'm impressed that Harvard decided to make that evidence of arable. So everyone could see why they drew the conclusions. They did. But I just don't what I cannot conceive is if you take the outline of the reports that you that we had prior to the agreement, and then you take the new information you get some additional level of fidelity, and maybe a date here or there moves or you know you have a better understanding. But it doesn't change the story now. Exactly. Right. If, if you believe in Iran had a covert nuclear weapons program prior to two thousand three which was halted or paused or reorganized or suppressed under international pressure and the rainy in government's response to that. And you also believe that what the I a was told by Member States was able to find on its own was, you know. A pretty decent summary of where the Iranians were then I just don't think you're gonna read the documents and be shocked. If you're one of the people going through this, who believe that this was, like, you know, completely invented by some like global cabal then. Yeah. I think the, the archive would come as like a great shock. But then again, you're jerkin, you'd probably just assume him fabricated, right? Yeah. I know you, you got you got a good prime three minutes slot on on Russia today. Right. But if but if you weren't in that category, I think you've gotta go through it, and it's like it's interesting. I mean like it is cool to see the stuff up close. I love the pit but I'll tell you the perfect example of this. Do you remember? There was the mockup of the cylinder for doing explosives testing at Parchin. Yeah, I model it during my dissertation, right? And we all kind of like we accepted it was it. But it was so weird because it had that little. Yeah. Right. It had the, the Lupu doors open door. It's very small door at so you get the picture out of Parchin, right? Which, you know, our notes, many photographs, there's a new balloon it was right. And I remember at the time people were like, well, this has gotta be fabricated because the door is so raw. And so that was the art RT. The Russia today. Truth were like it's wrong because of the. Yeah, it's funny I was making light of that at the time. And now I, I think I should have been like absolutely more clear since I've always thought they did those explosions at Parchin, right? Yeah. But like, you know. It's a door. Dr. It really, they really had a tiny little title designed flop. They might be a reason for it. Somebody can tell us even slacker on Twitter but. For the record at the time. I said, we have pretty decent evidence. The Iranians must have some sort of detonation chamber on site at Parchin. So there's no question that they had one. We just didn't understand the issue of scale like why. Why is the door? So little, so the answer is I don't go, we, we actually never got to the bottom of that mystery. But we know it did have a little door. But the scale is built around the explosives that had to be larger to contain to contain the explosive plays. It's. I think the archive would be a big deal if people didn't believe that there had been explosives work at Parchin. Yeah, but you'd have to be an idiot, not that I know. But in fact, there was a lot of documentation there've been explosives work at Parchin and the Iranians had an explanation for what was going on in that building, which, by the way, when the did the environmental sample, they made sure to look for samples of that would confirm that the Iranian story and they found none while it was pretty heavily sanitized. They still picked up some uranium particle. Lemus self-inspection, the bomb capitulation to the self self-inspection that actually showed the Iranians were live. Right. It was great. I love that. Those must part. And so, like, here's now a picture inside the building. It's like well, that's great. And I love seeing that picture, but I always believe there was a detonation chamber there. Yeah. Maybe we should talk about like the recent events, you know, like things have been turned up right? Like, like we just made light of it, you know, there was the I guess, Bolton issued a statement from the White House got by day's run. In each other, I think it was Monday night, announcing the movement of aircraft carrier that had long been planned to go and a bomber task force, which is four B fifty twos. And if they keep like the task force they should only be there for a couple of weeks, but who knows we're just sending four fifty twos out to the Middle East. Yeah. I mean, I have to say, I wonder how much of this is previously planned. And how much of this is just like how much of this is previously planned. And then being depicted, I think the carrier, I think the bombers were were something new. I think barrier was previously. Well, because you remember we went through this with North Korea with the was at the Carl Vinson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. We're Trump was like, I'm sending an Armata or something of the on. That's right. I forgot about the motto and it was like, no, actually it was going in the other direction and wasn't in the name of Malacca. And they had to turn it around. You know this whole thing is now like lost on my memory leg. I just remember it being this, like, farce where like whatever they said initially later turned out not to be true, and then they had to like. Yeah. That's right. Okay. Here it is. There was an armada that was going to signal resolve, and then it was then it was photographed heading in the opposite direction. I look for all. And then, and then, and then they then they decided to, like send it back. They had to turn it around like the head to turn it around really had to turn aircraft carrier around is President Trump. The United States was sending ships are Mata very powerful sad. And then, so the way that the navy made this all true with saying it wasn't untrue. It's just that the change, of course, had not yet happened. It was similar like these guys are in the med. And then they got new orders to head out to the Persian Gulf, or at least get close. So, yeah, I just I just one right. They're liars, which is hard to deal with. 'cause you don't necessarily know when people are telling the truth, and then the other thing, which is a serious point. I think people often don't understand, you know, the US military has dedicated units, whose job it is, is to take pre existing exercises and tests and figure out how to present them. Okay. So, you know like. There will be a there will be an an ICBM test scheduled a year in advance. And, and they will make a decision as the test comes up like how do you frame it? And so sometimes they will say you know, if there's a particular crisis going on the world. This shows our continuing ability to deter, and then reporters will kind of gullible say, like, oh, this did this test in order to show. Right, implying, a causal relationship. But in fact, it's the test already planned, but there was a decision to frame it in this way. In another case, they, you know, they downplay. Right. Because they don't they don't wanna send certain messages. So it's always very hard to tell what was preplanned and what's new, and what's preplanned and framed. In a certain way and wasn't guy break some news here on the pot. This is Wednesday to shift east coast. I'm sure sure if pe- news agency. Breaking Trump says he hopes to quote, unquote someday to meet arounds leaders to seek new deal. They gotta they gotta get on that ICBM and nuclear. I will say across my Twitter, too. It seems like. Brian hooks said the same thing so that maybe some sort of coordination here. But I think the point is that we're sending a carrier, the bombers are going offensively all the prelude to give him another summit, maybe a summit, maybe it's at the UN maybe it'll be New York, Trump Tower. I just the idea that the idea that all of our sad. Little lives are hostage to the vanity of this one lunatic. It's just isn't credible stuff of we should say that the ostensibly there, sending these things out there because they got they got intelligence. There's debates about how credible is that the Iranians were planning something either directly or through their proxies to target Americans. There have been reports that it could have been some people firing at us from Yemen Pompeo shows up in Iraq. So that makes me think that there may be something in Iraq, and I will say, this, we do give them a hard time, signaling that Iranian proxy would be treated, the same as Iranian, if they kill Americans is fine with me. I'm not sure we needed the armada to do that. But that's fine with me, one of the things that I think that CNN's like subsequently later reported is that there was Scuds on chips. Yes. Scuds on ships, my friend, Mark Shannon. I. For nearly twenty years, not quite twenty years. I think I think we've known each other since I, I wanna say, maybe two thousand four worker so fifteen years. For fifteen years, Mark, and I have collapsed into laughter anytime someone mentions Scuds on ships. Why, what's the back story here? So in the late nineties, early two thousands when countries weren't capable of building. ICBM's. The big missile defense like the desperate, missile defense argument was as the rumps North Koreans would put a Scud on yet Rumsfeld. The missile defense commission or the ICBM commissioned. Ships on my God. That's so right, all man. Yeah. So now of course, Scuds are. Not well, well, Scuds are transported by shit. Right. And a hint. And, and I do think that they have put Scuds on ships, but basically, what, what I from the reporting, I have seen, and who knows if any of this is true. But the reporting is that they saw them loading bull Scuds onto ships, because previously when ships when the Iranians sent Scuds to Yemen, they cut them up to make it easier to smuggle them. And this, this in this case, it's the super scout camp. Right. And so when they arrived in Yemen than the Yemenis had to re weld them back together, which, by the way, you can apparently do. Yeah, and you can see that at the uranium material display know. You know, I it led to my like one of my all time, favorite Carmel moments we have a friend who's a metal artist. I know this. And I'm sure I've told it before he actually is the person who helped us do the museum quality cut away of the four turbo-pump that now sits our office because you guys could do this see this. It's one of the ultimate reasons while you have the best job in the world earliest, one of the best jobs in the world. There are there are there are aspects of it. That make it tolerable. Yes. The ocean view. But, but, you know, make me an offer their other oceans. I can look at other oceans. I was at a party with Taylor welder, and I showed him the welts and he took one look. And he's like, oh, that's aluminum sick, what he's like, well, it's the color of the medal in the type of. Well, we thought the welds looked messy. But that's a pair, what a field weld with aluminum. Looks like really? So, yeah, it was not it was actually not bad. Oh interesting because I've done welding for looked at well, I should say, for Volkswagen. Karmann Ghia pans, they rest out. So you have to weld new ones in the I thought that they were real shitty. No aluminum is just tough to weld. And you make a big messy well don't have the right to so, so that was like a great carnal moment. I'm at this party and you know, it's like he visually dentist. The airframe is being aluminum and then explains that, that's not as messy of a weld as I think it is. And, you know, he'd like to see me to a better job welding loop, especially in the field. But the idea is that they cut these missiles up because they transfer them to. Ships to smuggle them shore or some people say they go over layer or win their ashore rate on Trump. But, but, but what was different? This time is they were shipping, full Scuds. And so the simplest explanation is they just aren't worried about the Scuds being interdicted or whatever they're shipping. I shouldn't say there necessarily because they were missile, and they said somebody said short range missiles that could be like. If they're solid fuel while because if they're solid fuel you can't. Do this. Bright, you have to liquid correct. So but if they've switched over to sending like Fateh, one tens or even Zolghar's, they're not going to be able to cut those up. So they're putting full missiles on ships, the simplest explanation is they either can't cut them up because they're solid or they don't wanna cut them up, or they don't care anymore. They're not going to be interdicted. But there was this, like other idea that they were like pre positioning them for, like some kind of attack which I, I mean, I suppose, is possible, but is being Hinz points out who used to work with us, and we hope we'll someday work with us again. He. You know, they already have US bases in, in range, bright like other Rawnsley great picture on Twitter yesterday, where they're literally on the run in TV just like showing a US base next their missiles saying that this is what our missiles aimed at. They've got you know, plenty arrange. So I don't I don't really know what if they're going to Yemen. Where those things are going to be launched that would be any different than Ron, unless it's what we've been seeing, which is allowing the proxy forces to rocket the rocket the Saudis. So I you know, it's like not nice that they're doing it, and it's kind of interesting that they're full missiles, but like you know. I think the Scuds on ships fixation seems to have overtaken good judgment. Yeah. And look, I say this tomorrow they're gonna launch all these cuts off yet. They do they lost on ships like you're going to have to do something, like I don't know. But like I. What I'm not too worried about this. I you wanna do cO Mark Shans up, and which is gonna make make make an appointment to like, you know, go. Part of the California northern California party. I am. I am fairly convinced that there was some Intel that some of their proxies in rock. We're gonna up the mischievous activity. Here's where I want to quibble like even if it was actionable. How different is this from the last time we got Intel of this nature the last time we got into, they rocketed camp, taji a couple of it's about ten days ago, and sort of passed underneath radar except for us really big Middle East nerds. How is this different and was the threat? So great as to justify the memo, and then the dressing up of a carrier movement. And what I think is probably like a rapid movement of the bomber taskforce which is what they're designed to do. But you're taking beef fifty two's from Barksdale, and you're like going to ship them out to the Middle East. We're gonna do out there. They're gonna fly racetracks. You know on deterrence patrol. I just don't understand these are all going to send a message. Erin result. Do you think they'll leave their transponders on so that we even ratchet up tensions further so they could watch fifty twos? Two racetracks just outside there. That's what I'd do if I was Bolton I would order transponders on so that you can see when the b fifty two's fly. I really don't want to give the man ideas. No, that's not what I would do I would because their goal is the blows up. No. I, I would do the, the site ops campaign that the US did against the Soviet Union, the early eighties and that I I include at the beginning of the twenty twenty commission. Oh, yeah. I would have aircraft fly up until the Iranians could see them, and then I'd have make a hard turn and come home. This is not a good idea by the way, I don't know your phone's ringing. Big picture. I mean, we we've start we this has been a long one but we started at the waivers the Iranian response the archive and now we're at B fifty twos and race tracks in what they may be able to do. Where's this going? I mean, there's no secret team on this podcast that we both support JCP LA, but things look very, very grim. And. I think that's very, very bad. And. Why I'm actually not all that concerned about an unintended escalation at the moment like. Trump breaking news aside here on the podcast. I sort of really simplistically, you either, get the JCP away, or you get the Singapore summit, and I would just rather have the JCP away. And I just don't know what, what the alternative is here. If the regime doesn't collapse with that. That's nice sign off. Thank you everybody for listening, Jeffrey. Then joining if you enjoy the podcast you can head on over the patriots dot com slash AC w podcast in if you are a student for as little three dollars a month. You can sign up to support our patriot page that gives you access to a slack channel where we also have a separate short podcast where we talk about things that are interesting disarmament non-proliferation nuclear weapons world, but in smaller bites not, not the full podcast. And that's five dollars for everybody else. 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Lessons Learned from the War in Yemen

Arms Control Wonk

45:24 min | 1 year ago

Lessons Learned from the War in Yemen

"Are Listening along August. PODCAST disarmament and non-proliferation Stein Director Research for policy research suit in. Philadelphia. And I am Scott Super Producer of the arms control podcasts and consultant. We're getting back together I know the Jeffrey and schedules changed up on us a little bit. So we're still working on a mechanism all three of us in the same room at the same time even though we're in quarantine life is still very busy. Same. Room at the same time may not be the correct phrasing. But same virtually the same breakout room on him. yes. As things are a little chaotic, so we are doing a pod today. On leanness, muscle war in Yemen. You and I mean along with I know listener Luke O'Brien have been following this very closely of Ataman another fan of the show is also following really closely. So I feel like I've been talking about the missile, warn Yemen like in private for a really long time and I'm just remembering that you and I went to the material display. Before we got to see some of those, some of those goodies all showing off. And we don't think we really talked about on the gas. We have forgetting about it. We have talked about it a couple times because first off, we got real excited. The first time we went to the material display and we. Potted from your office if I remember correctly true true, we got super excited. podcast you ran home in the me back in my office when back when I was working in d say yeah, and then we've done an episode or two on the Burqa on when the Berkman. To H missile I showed up that's that one. That's the AM. Paint job. Extended skied that the Iranians smuggled and so in that first started showing up, we also did a podcast. Of analyzing because that's the one that was really weird showed up without fins and we were trying to track down information on it we've touched on the missile we've touched on Yemen a little bit. But we haven't really made it a big focus like like North Korea is or Iran is. Or Open Skies. So we can work on fixing that a little because a wonderful report came out. Last month out of CSIS missile defense? Chair. And I mean I first of all, I just wanted to say that the the two authors of the report. So Ian Williams and Sean Shake I hope I'm pronouncing that second correctly we I think both you and I agree You did a really good job with something that is. Really difficult which is trying to. Parse through all of the of information's last disinformation about missile lodges in Yemen to try and build a data set and they they did a good job with that. Would you say they did a great job with it? Like you said, this is something we talk about in private with like Luke. Adams has sort of our what's at war that we discuss and they've put together a data set that really helps with one of the problems we've always had when discussing it, which is just getting accountability numbers. because. This is a conflict where ballistic missiles have been used very heavily. But. It's very hard to count them because of the. Complexities with reporting like we always joked about that I'm a missile pet aunt on twitter about what should be a missile, which be a rocket should be short range missile, and this is like exactly one of the reasons it's complicated because everyone uses we're words makes really hard to track, and then like you said, there's so much disinformation like active disinformation campaigns. Around missile and missile intercept reporting. Yeah I mean and Listeners can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Arabic. Word for missile and rocket is the same thing in. So sometimes when it flops flies across on twitter, like it's the same word, sometimes, you don't really know what you're talking about which which was which. and two we I mean, you mean Luke I think over too many drinks sometimes in DC, have talked about sort of the Patriot aspect of this because Geoffrey had done that open source investigation with his team trying to track at least the. The burke hand strike on the on the on the airport in Saudi, Arabia? And whether or not the intercept was successful. That's right right and so I think we should just dive right into the report right now I mean. and. And what it is that traffic report, what it is that we think. You, know basically the big takeaways and some sort of like, let's say constructive critiques like we really do want to emphasize that the report is good and everybody should go and read it but you. We read this or look at this, and of course, we have some questions about we'll talk about we'll. Say Most of my critiques are actually addressed by the authors are a data problem more than anything but yeah so this is The reports called the missile war in Yemen, and it basically is looking to create a pretty comprehensive primer on I. Guess at this point I five years of the continued civil war in Yemen, Iranian proxy war in Yemen and Saudi intervention an invasion of Yemen with UAE assistance. And heavy targeting a logistics assistance who knows? Mystery to. Everybody. and. So the the aspect of this conflict that of course is most interesting to US arms control launch is the missile missile defense aspect of it. This is the this conflict has seen the most missile usage. Sense technically depending on how you define. Missiles technically since like the Iraq war where we absolutely pounded the ground with a tax comes over five hundred times but we don't typically get that counted in missile calculations. And then several hundred. Or over one hundred intercept at least attempts. and. So this basically pairs with a nice data visualization that CSI has worked on the basically just is trying to give a month by month breakdown of the the war and sort of win missiles were fired where fired out what kind of missiles were involved whether or not there was an intercept and. One of the big issues with this data is, of course this this is mostly documentation data, this documentary data. So it's data that is coming from media sources. It is data that's coming from a panel of experts reports with the United Nations and so it is somewhat beholden to the authors of that data. which frequently are Heavily, invested in the outcomes of that reporting so you'll have instances where. Missiles will be reported as they will report that they've launched a missile. And it struck a target and then it was successful, the Saudis will report that. Two missiles were actually intercepted and everything's fine and no satellite imagery will ever be produced and we will not know. and so that's that's one of the big data issues. In, general with the entire events and given and the authors are very clear about this up front. Again, that's not a critique of them of they're very upfront about this that they are sort of tabulating the full score. And really disinformation campaign assessment is not their bags so much. So that just means that some of the numbers may run hi I'm like like we were expressing skepticism because I think there's Something like over one hundred, fifty successful Patriot intercepts reported. which occurred before the pack threes appear to have been delivered into Saudi Royal Air. Defense hands. And I think we've established on the pot our opinion about the pack to in terms of its effectiveness Jeffrey in his team. Is Bad. Bad Yeah and the pack three's probably seems to be a fairly serviceable system. The pack to is an air defense missile essentially modified for ballistic missile usage. That makes it not ideal. It's literally just not optimized for that target. List missiles, argument Yes specifically ballistic missiles like it's perfectly serviceable against certain cruise missiles you vs aircraft but it's it and it's you know ten thousand different modifications that are not list here have a little more trouble against ballistic missiles and so that brings a lot of the. Saudi claims into question when they said that they are you know intercepting Toshka's which are you know old but still fairly precision weapons with these somewhat inefficient ballistic missile defenses. Come back to the topic. I was curious you know like. How you classify and another portion of touches on this like what is success? You know like because some of the missiles being fired or relatively accurate if they fall in the desert are harmless and interceptors were fired. You classify as as a success or does it always have to hit their incoming missile during me? Yes. So they actually have a good methodology for this. So the the way they define it, and again, this is their definitions are good but some of the. Data sources to they're pulling from are actively disinformation. So it's Going to still be hard to tell but. Their definition is basically did a a missile defensive missile system had to physically strike and prevent a offensive missile system from reaching its target intended target fully That means that debris can still come down damage that means that if the booster separated from the warhead. If one of those things was intercepted but not the other that could still potentially be. Classified as an intercept. So it's it's a good definition for intercepts. They're not like playing around with the terminology a bunch. Yeah Yeah. So so just in terms of what the topic is, the Toshka was I guess at this point, two generations back from the Russian Iskander It is a when Russians have it its nuclear capable their exports or not nuclear capable. In less severely modified by aftermarket folks. But basically, there are a few touch goes they're small they're solid propellant missiles. So they're quick to move around. They actually do to shoot and scoot stuff. We see them a lot in Syria and Ukraine as well. They're somewhat they're. They're fairly effective missiles compared to these skied, which is a liquid missile. It's very slow. It's what has been in operation since like the fifties sixties, it's very old it requires constant upgrades to keep it. Kind of modern basically is just kinda like it works. It's kind of like the AK47 of missiles it makes it will fire It's not the hardest thing in the world to train on in terms of missiles it's also not gonna hit anything aim at for the large. So the Takas seems to have the again, the numbers are Kinda Hanky, because of the the sources reporting it, but the topic seems to be a fairly precise weapon that seems to be what yields the most sort of casualties per launch in terms of it actually hit what they are aiming at whereas the skied has a much higher margin of error But you see fewer Toshka's being launched as time goes on because. Yemen essentially. Had A legacy stockpile of takas leftover from the mini civil war in the nineties, and so you just see those drop off. There are no more touch two strikes after a certain point. And you start seeing the switch to Scuds because Scuds are actively manufactured and shipped in via uncle Iran. Who's just so you know bringing in plenty of gifts for the who these to keep things going. Yeah. I think we should just you'll for the listeners. Longtime listeners the show will know anytime listener is that the Berkman or the Kiam, which is what we call it a super Scud I mean I it's essentially a Scud. with attachable warhead and. No no fence. So it's it's nice and slick. And That seems to be the that that has been at least according to data set the main workhorse of the WHO is because they are. As as we know it receiving shipments from the Iranians. to outfit who these either Byron UNISOM selves or perhaps by the WHO through proxies to to whole targets as deep as reality risk. Right, and it was a pretty big deal when Riyadh I started to get held at risk like early in the in the conflict. The. WHO. Had Access to sort of whatever parts of the arsenal the Saudis didn't interdict? Didn't preempt I. If you remember the sort of invasion kicked off with that huge picture of the. Alleged Scud depot that the Saudi Air Force struck and like you know the first day of the invasion, they were just like we did it mission accomplished all the Scuds were taken out with one bomb we won, and as literally everyone in the world could predict after saying those words out loud than missile started to hit Saudi airspace But so the bird cons started coming in later, the burqas weren't a pre exist. As far as we're aware, we're not a pre existing capability, any Yemen the Yemenis were the who these were working off basically old. Russian. Stuff some North Korean stuff. Some probably pledged together other things and one of my personal favorites the Qahira one, which is a conversion done to an s seventy, five surface to air missile. So instead of going after aircraft, he just works artillery rocket. It's really mad next to it looks lovely like we do arms control long swagger that like if we could put that together, I would buy that. Man. There's there's a great one that the PR see used to operate where they took the local, the Chinese version of seventy five and they put it on a tank. So it's tank with a giant surface to air missile on it, and if it as well looks very mad Max. That stuff like sitting on my desk, my wife will kill the. Quarantine, but I want that stuff that's what I want. And then the thing is there's a lot of rockets. Were using lower case are rocket here like one hundred, twenty millimeter rockets like very small pieces what from a ballistic missile perspective small artillery rockets that are either quasi like personally guided or unguided those show up in the. in one of the interceptor databases which it possibly. So I haven't broken out all of the numbers That may also be one reason the intercept databases seem. So surprisingly large in some cases would be the prevalence of what I would call small relatively easy to intercept rockets which ease don't send me angry emails like I know that's hard still but compared to. intercepting things like a Scud E. R., Toshka The hundred twenty days, and the smaller systems aren't aren't exactly the same amount of rocket science needed. So. Speed I think. Yes for ease is just rockets lower case are yes. It's still hard but they fly slower. Yeah. They they're much smaller. So they provide you know a little more complexity for radars, but they are they are much slower and the you know the the fail while yes they are much slower. So so that's sort of the the general rundown in terms of like the major hardware and whatnot like it started with this legacy this legacy Soviet north. Korean maintained other people maintained older systems. They SORTA ran out of those or lost a bunch of those the Saudi. Air Force preempted or retaliated against tons of ballistic missile sites during the opening two years of the war and so now it's switched significantly over twos either systems that can move around or the Burkan to. That is being actively provided in. So the actual. Arsenal. Has Shifted as they've sort of flushed certain things that they can't continue to build out. And this isn't exactly revelatory for people who you know who stayed up on the Scud. Hunt you know in in the US war in Iraq ninety one or where he's rarely war with Hezbollah in two, thousand, six, you know. But the left of launch stuff that the report gets into a little bit is. In addition to missile defense being extremely hard the left a launched up his heart to I mean. Just, just the amount of aircraft that you have to dedicate to the mission to go hunting for Scuds in this case or touch Gaza or something along those lines. Is like obviously resource intensive it's expensive and to it takes aircraft that you could be used to like be looking for targets of opportunity elsewhere right in in in. In. To assist your allied ground forces, which we're not really talking about but you know part of the thing was to try and take. Was To assist with. With the Saudi government. About pushing the Aden. Off to other missions right and like. In that sense you know ballistic missiles while inaccurate or perhaps some of. You know the launch is your emanating from Yemen causing no damage because they're inaccurate missiles in Saudi Arabia has a lot of desert right? It still doesn't mean that that launch had no military effect even though it didn't hit anything, it's still requires going intending up aircraft to look for them when they could be doing other stuff. Does that make sense absolutely and it's a really the they actually mentioned this a decent amount in the report and the authors are have a pretty good understanding of it where it's very hard to assess the exact outcomes. In the exact military value, but they are definitely tying up. Air Assets. In Scud Hunt modes that could be doing other things. So even like you said, even if a missile launch is Totally, worthless in terms of did it hit anything to hit its intended target whatever at least several probably hundreds of thousands of dollars? at a minimum plus several. Our is of human time for the entire crews involved had to be spent on hunting down like g's converted Sam in the middle of nowhere the had almost no strategic value, right? Yeah exactly. It's like a perverse economy of force like it's it's very hard to ignore ballistic missiles coming in. There's a lot of pressure on a military commander to handle that situation as well because these can target civilian areas and in some cases are more. Reliable. To hit civilian areas like they're they're very hard to do counterforce with it's hard to do precision targeting, but it's easy to hit civilian. So you have a you face a lot of pressure to actually handle the missile situation even if the missile situation is Not the most immediately effective in terms of getting. Any sort of positive outcomes for your side. Yeah and The report also talks about the the naval component of this because these missiles weren't sort of. They didn't have legs in walk in there. So as as we understand it, I mean, as I understand it, the missiles were coming into Yemen two ways the first of which was that they were being shipped by sea and then sort of moved in pieces from ships into smaller. Fishing vessels douses they're called and they would. Move across and despite sort of the the Muratti in Saudi naval efforts to. The US. Navy. At some point, interdict all of these things some score through. and. There was a porous border with Oman right and right and there was two ways in. report goes into this and so like. With the challenges, the left of launch. And then the challenges of interdiction at sea, it sort of thrust, the entire, not the entire but a considerable amount of defense. From these ballistic missiles onto the Patriot system and so it like like it really drove home like the efficacy or the need for missile defense but also some the limitations of that. Yes they can't interdict everything it see they can't retaliate against launcher is that they don't see ahead of time which means there is going to be something that gets through unless there's a defensive shield. I think this is a point worth really emphasizing is like how big of illnesses right Like again like and we've talked about this on previous podcasts and probably like. it's a point I always make, but you know we tend to fixate and like. On like whether a missile is. Right because what we tend to fix down is like we fixate on this idea of if we drop a bomb or we fire missile, it falls within an aim point this typified in our head by the by the footage that we see on cable news networks of bomb strikes. Right? You know like like they're accurate whereas that capabilities relatively limited or exit it's actually proliferating with more or less limited pie industrialized states, most of which have linkages reliance with the United States. But. Then you run into this thing and as we know from the Iranians, they can hit targets if they shoot at it just ask. Amazon's airbase in Iraq. But the things that they are exporting to the WHO are not. Accurate. But they don't have to be accurate because what they're trying to do is different militarily in like hitting a precise coordinate on the map. And just the fact that he's like who are a state actor but who could be Kwasi non-state depending on how you classify them. even if it's IRA embeds who are firing these these these missiles. You basically have. You know the the Arab world's most porous date you know. But on top of that, the governing entity, which is like it's extremely poor on top of that sucking down in tying up the resources of two of the richest states and. Who are technologically superior in every single way to these now, people will say, well, the Saudi suck they're not great Yada Yada Yada, and it's immaterial to the point here, which is just like. These missiles despite not being accurate despite not being what we would call militarily effective in terms of their outcomes or effects in terms of where they explode. We're a deal I mean still are. And there's really no answer for them as long as they continue to scored on in. Through these different rat lines run into the country. there. They create a lot of chaos and a lot of economic and political pressure, and this is something that I keep going back to the report I'm sorry I'm just very excited about this report They're port actually talks about this is is sort of. Alternative. Values of missiles. The political value of a missile can you use this to fight a PR war because as as we on the podcast are very well aware a missile launch is a can be if sort of filmed and produced correctly can be a very powerful PR tool. That can be used in a lot of different ways that can be used for or against state propaganda and sort of one of these things wires They actually have specific quotes in here from folks on both sides about the WHO saying like we were we are trying to use these to send the message that basically like as long as you're here, you're being held at risk like the civilians should not be supporting this because of course now, we can hit Riyadh now and whether that sort of turned into was oh now the Saudi invasion feels justified because now the civilian field attacked so. Popular support swung around in the opposite way which. Kind of is a common experience in a lot of places with ballistic missiles. They're very hard. It's very hard to get the outcome you want or you think you can get when you are using ballistic missiles or other precision, long range strike assets, both militarily, and politically, and economically. For that matter, we can go back to the whole terror bombing and industrial bombing from World War. Two stories even like it's been somewhat consistent over time with some exceptions. And the huskies creative and you have to think it was the. We're helping them out and like I don't know if it was if it was the WHO came open, the door, the Iranians but either way, the information flows both ways. This is something that Ron. And I were talking about a long time ago and I know what to the report and because it was in some of the panel of experts reports like going back in the day I just can't remember which is. We'll we'll talk about drones and cruise missiles and the second should come back to that. But like. Like basically. Drones to like confuse confused isn't the right word but like cause problems for Patriot engagement radars. Oh, those strata blind the radars with. More. Intense. Words than concerns. You're the radar experts sometimes, they don't want to go off the reservation, but like blind, the radar, the they volley fire ballistic missiles behind them. Like, that's just fun like like I hate to. That's clever. Again, that's really really clever and I'm not supposed to say I use that in a war game once. We only fire I still live from the WHO these. So I was playing around in a war game and and we did that I still have from the who these who probably got it from the Iranian. So that came back to me as I was playing around in the game. It's clever. Right like like these guys are. It's these cheap relatively cheap i. mean you seem Rawnsley, other folks analyses on these drones they're not. They're not reapers. They are not least raise the top of we D-? We touched. Everyone we did not touch anything I swear only took. No we weren't. Know. What. Pieces. That actually may be the case. The types I followed the rules they let us pick up the pieces I'm going to leave it in regardless it's funny to me. But I mean yeah. We saw those droves we handle them. What was IT Not a motorcycle engine that's not a. Lot more engine, they're essentially the to lawnmower engine. Thanks to strokes Lamar. Yeah like these are not like. Can you imagine if someone was talking about the you know putting up reapers and Predator drones and they were just like, Oh these commercial off the shelf lawnmower engines. You Go. That's not probably what they're contracting four. And that's enough to mess up a Patriot battery a multibillion dollar system. That's incredibly clever and cost effective regardless of what your states like. This is a concern with North, Korea with the radar every time they see North Korean drones that get found around the fad deployment areas, real concern thinking of cheap unlv's cruise missiles and ballistic missiles as part of A. Mature Complex Salvo is a very expensive prospect to defend against at pretty much all sides of it. Because we're having this discussion off pods. Tracking those small UAV's as hard as I understand it maybe a listener can can can chime in here if I connie again, go off the reservation. But. In theory, they should be easy to find because they. They. Aren't built with low observable features and we're looking for harder things they. Defined and they should be the easier thing to find and I and I think in a perfect world they are. But I think for particularly like a rotating fighter like a fighter jet that's like patrol. they fly lower to the ground. So sometimes they get lost in in ground clutter because they fly so slowly. And they can fly outside. You're being relatively easy like the angle of your being your radar beam, and so you you you kind of have to go hunting and look for them if you don't pick them up on On radar with some nontraditional measures, I always assume that that's what the targeting pod which always makes me think of this good study another good study for for listeners who are interested in the two, thousand, six it no, it's a it's a rand report written by Benjamin Lambeth and I'm not gonNA remember the name of it, but it's it's it's an in depth study of Israeli air operations comparing two thousand six. War, with Lebanon and then operation cast lead which I believe was in two thousand ten. into the lessons learned that they came from that and there's a really good section in there about how like Hezbollah would use drones To penetrate Israeli airspace and what they would have to defend against that like they had patriot Patriot in I. believe it was packed to equipment pack three is depending on the missile between seven, hundred, fifty, thousand, three, million dollars and missile to shoot down. tastic. Iranian your own or they have to put up I believe it was F16's fifteen. So we're just basically on trump. Trump. And either case right like and there's good. There's a good section on this now. Maybe, I'll put in the show notes because it's it's a good reports news reports or read it as long, but it's fun report. It's really interesting. Because in many ways. So the two thousand, six war with Hezbollah looks a lot is the is the antecedent to the two thousand fifteen were saying, no has bloated a lot of stuff. That's raising ironic how I can't imagine a common through line between Hezbollah. Relatives including initial cruise missiles in hard defying trucks that look like civilians, which is fun. it. It's very resource intensive and costly. You know the F sixteen or the fifteen and not remembering exactly which aircraft they use wasn't designed to Guam Drum patrol doing. Designed for. It's like it's like this perfect microcosm of sort of like what the United States in particular but generally sort of United States adjacent states. Criticized for in modern operations is that even if these systems work flawlessly as designed we use exquisite systems, exquisite solutions and they are ludicrously expensive compared to. Basically someone aggressively red teaming them like there are new emerging cheap technologies that are moving faster than the contracting cycle for multi per multi-role aircraft lake. That's a very complicated problem of the industrial base just hasn't quite figured out yet. The Iranians did the stuff in Syria I mean for listeners I'm writing a book on the war in Syria. So out June that's the reason I'm so busy haven't been putting. This is gonNA keep happening like the more unlv technology proliferates especially when you can put lawnmowers or model a model airplane engines smuggled across the Chinese border into your. Thing like it's it's If. You can pay two thousand dollars three thousand dollars to build something that even for a couple seconds can reliably knockout if like not destroy but just knock out you know a multibillion dollar missile system. That that's that's a hard cost curve to argue with. You I think another thing is, is you know going back to the CSI report talks about this is is I. Think we talked about this on the podcast with IBM, which is the the attack on up keg in Chris. You know. So it was the introduction of of accurate. Cruise missiles. But I think the interesting part about them. As I Stand it again. Is it. Most of the Patriot that Saudi has has a radar other only has one hundred, eighty degree field of vision. So, you can fire from behind it and he'll jeffries talked about this with With South Korea and these viability released the military utility of North Korean sea-launched deterrent even if it's like kind of clumsy, not really all that good is the ability fire from behind. Missile Defense Radars. which is literally be southern. Sob 'em problem the United States had in the Cold War these these same problems keep coming up. Right, and with maybe with What. Do. They call. The we talked about. The nuclear cruise missile the Russians have nuclear. Christmas. Can Fly over the southern politics. If, he couldn't kill your own scientist but like. Is that one of the things that happened in in in this war? It it it's incredibly interesting. Is that Particularly if the trump administration began to impose its maximum pressure strategy. One of which was to essentially try and cut off Iranian. Energy Exports Iranians began to punish. You know we're not going to be able to export. Nobody's can be able to export, right but rather than close the Strait of Hamas, which is sort of like wherever sprained goes is that they sort of flax and one other flex was the attack on uptake incrase where they used cruise missiles probably fired from southern Iraq. To fly and hit. You know basically big oil processing facilities. And one of the things that came out of that as I understand it was most of the Saudi Patriot radar's or all of them were oriented or pointed south because they had to defend against going bring this full circle. The WHO the People Listrik Missile and cruise missile threat from the south. So the Iranians fired from behind their missile writers and it's the same problem. The UAE hypothetically faces because if I remember correctly. The UAE operates batteries which you know are fairly high performance against a high performance against a variety of targets. And those straight up or not aimed at the correct direction for any hootie anything they are aimed at Iran. By. Understanding. The, then the salaries had take sort of ancillary action to defend their. North Eastern flank. which required the United States movement. Patriot batteries on their behalf. More, upgraded modern radars. I believe that has a three hundred, sixty degree field of view. And sort of a nod for for Middle East walks like myself you know. You know the The the bolstering of the American position Saudi Arabia was always to provide overwatch golf for the Saudis, and back as far as you know, operation earnest will in Nineteen Eighty S. But like It just goes to show like. One of the fun things I love with with and I really should be complemented adversary, but you have to give it to the Iranians. They had some some they're clever. Like this? This point counterpoint thing where like patriots? Ah. Is Good enough. I think as the report points out you know we tend to focus on the MRS but they do have successes and yes, there are probably problems with the data set, but it's the best day to say that we have. You know and I mean as compliment look for as good as they are. You know a counterpoint that can be exploited and it. It's that point counterpoint. That's interesting. To Watch as an outsider to how this one played out because it really is allegorical. This is what this is. something. Iran's Louis always says, it's like this is what a throw down with around, but actually look like. You. Pieces of played out. In the past fifteen years across the entire, middle. East. And yes I mean like in the Iranians were better like the Iranians have better missiles than what the WHO are using. And they have a whole bunch of the missiles that the WHO these reusing and so they have a lot of. To. To make life uncomfortable and how much it takes even this limited slimmed-down down version that the WHO he's have. To defend against these missiles. I feel like The sort of other way of looking at that also is again even if all of these systems which I know where particularly critical of on the pilot, even if these systems will working perfectly as advertised, are they actually solving your problems and the answer is not all of them at least. Especially not at cost. Some, it's a tough problem like it's not the. This is going to be one of those pods where we're GONNA complain a lot and and talk about how this strategy complicated then offered. No helpful advice. I you know I i. hope this Pod I mean we should move. Doesn't come off as I'm criticizing missile defense I patriot is a system worth investing I. think that is assistant worth investing I I really do delineate between pad Patriot and sort of the Gbi I which we've talked about our podcast before the big missile defense I think three is worth investing in I. You know I think that I am not through a non believer missile defense but. I'm a I'm a skeptic of some of the claims that the CS AF authors point out which comes from industry that says that they have one hundred percent success rate. Oh. Very emphatic about their success rate on that which I do find interesting and it's. Worth looking into in another pot entirely about what those claims mean. But yeah, it's it's literally have one they say one hundred percent success rate. It's fascinating. So, what's the big takeaway from the report? So I think this report sits as a really solid historical. Like and military operational analysis of the five years of the missile warning Yemen and is one of the most comprehensive looks at missile combat. I have seen in recent years missile like you know there's like fury of airpower people and naval power people there's not a middle power people. To the PODCAST. Hey. All the five other missile power people. Hey we probably all know each other on twitter. But like. I appreciate this as a document and their their Their data set on their website is basically Creating a really easy to access foundational, raw primary source data set and a pretty good historical narrative analysis of what went on and some of the problems that we've seen with reporting what sort of operational lessons can be learned, and then if you are a student of this war, now you don't have to do all this footwork yourself for your analysis of your a cruise missile person who's focusing on naval combat. Now, you don't have to do your own footwork to you know. Learn, everything about the ballistic. The ballistic combat it was going on at the same time they basically sort of solved. Part of the war study question for when you're looking at this I, think this is very valuable document for anyone studying both the war in Yemen and just the operational use of ballistic missiles in general like I have a really long paper that sits on my hard drive that is sort of the history of all conventional ballistic missile usage. And I started that paper. Like six months after the invasion began in Yemen and so that paper literally like has the starting of starting portions of that, and this is the exact kind of thing I would want to bring into that to sort of expand and discuss it. Again. I. Think There's a lot of other things you can pull out of this paper like we have some slight disagreements on the optimism of some of the numbers and reporting, but it's just reporting the raw numbers and. I think that's an immensely valuable piece of. Research material for the field just anyone who's doing the Yeoman work of building databases and releasing them to the public. And then writing up writing one hundred page report explaining what the data is and what the context of the data is. That's just immensely helpful. That's just an immensely helpful service someone does. So. Yes. Thank you. See you say oh Yeah, sorry. That was probably supposed to be a short question. It's a good report. Go read it I'm going to put it in the show notes This is just something that's going to be very helpful for for missile folk trying to Parse a very complicated information environment, for operational, data. And just of course, because this is the arms control on pot, I want to do a shout out to, of course, Jeffrey and his team did sort of technical analyses. Based on video imagery of like Patriot performance we talked about this a little in the middle of the pod but I believe with specifically some of strikes on Riyadh International Airport and the Patriot to intercepts, and basically Jeffrey and his team broke open that video and said, Hey, this does not look like it was a successful intercept calling that into question and just for people going into this report if you are on sort of the technical analysis side. That's not the point of the report. The point of the report is not to assess Patriot performance at a technical level. that's obviously something we focus on the pod but this is a lot more for if you're kind of doing the war studies side of it. Jeffries work on that was ground breaking to. It was incredible. And I believe correct me if I'm wrong it was basically from that video where we had like, we kind of knew it already and we did know it but it's basically confirmed that the the kiosk or the Burkan has a separating warhead. Believe, that is correct and I think that's the first time we yeah I think you're correct. That's the first time we can. Come came at least closer to confirming it. In theory that kind of had to because of the stresses on the airframe over that that distance but kind of confirmed it I, remember that I mean I. It was really good. And so we want to make sure we get the proper shutouts to the to the podfather. So for for listeners including the five who are are missile nerds on par with Scott and I'm on a tier below okay. I'm going to be on this but Scott Scott is on here but there are people in Scots here and I feel fairly confident they listen to the show. But if you want to know who these five million are there hanging out on our slack channel and to get access worse like you have to go over the Patriot dot com slash AC W podcast. For three dollars a month. If you're a student in five dollar month if you are not, you can gain access to this slack channel where missile nerds congregate where arms control won't people congregate were really cool. Stuff happens and leads to stories of the Washington Post. another major major news outlets and A good place to be a also, we we are about to undertake a small fundraiser for arms control walk just try and keep the lights on in chaotic times We're not ready to announce the full details of it yet, but just keep an ear out because we've got something fun that is cooking in the next couple of weeks. That is and I can't. I can't underline this enough. It's stupid but it's so good like all my favorite missile things. To say stupid but good this sort of like where we live on this show. With that, it's now ten twenty, seven pm on the East Coast. I want to go. So Scott. Shang, with you. Always a pleasure. Thanks for having the. Pleasure. Thank you for listening.

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Season 2 Ep. 65: NY to Miami

Everyman Podcast Show

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Season 2 Ep. 65: NY to Miami

"Persona is brought to you by Holo, man. Air by these that friend, right? It was got somebody rushing you everybody needs that one friend. I'm gonna tell you whole oh man slow down. Why yours rush, right? Fucking. We wanting to dogs right now, they make sweet love. Hold on. For twenty one dollars an hour over down to get hired where you work at and just be to hold on guy. Let's you crazy. That'd be amazing. We're going to go ahead and go to the next. Hold on. Listen, we were talking about doing this today county here the which wage right off batch shot to weaken vape studios that is the glorious CEO waken vape studios here and his wife to be are planning a wedding. And she's talking about how everyone needs to be on time. So we say whoever doesn't do it. We got our team right here. This coordinates it because they held on coordinates guy heard what I saw right? I'm trying to be like these young people. Invest virgin shit. Got ordinary from you. Yeah. Everybody know. It sounds cool when younger. Hotels that they're having a stroke while saying that will you just invent word who's Corneille. Goods needs thing. Arnold porsche. My name is Arnold. Call tonight's. But I said that she should hire us talk for so rewarding a wedding. Yes. I have like two right now today, I came back, right? That's right. Yes. I was talking about how we're going to help you control the crowd to get there on time. And at the close the door will be performing a show outside with them. We're going to torture them for you. I mean, entertain I don't wanna be part of this is I drink. Well. No, no, no. We we already assigned you that if people start taking law, you just start talking to them and give them awkward conversations. Like you normally do and he's going to be rushing. Everybody sitting them down. I don't think that's going to be an easy way to rush them. I think they're going to be like who's this guy? That's right. Oh, probably hurry up and get away. Now imagine he comes up he has his random questions. You scared. You wanna go run inside? Now, you got him. And he did the weird conversation with them. Like, I'm gonna like this guy because he's gonna creep out. A lot of you. And it's been the truth ever since. I mean, we get along. So well because we started doing our fucking random conversations. But we talked about like understand man when I first met him. It took some getting used to now like regular. She is no. I know. Well, ladies and gentlemen, with all that witty banter. I'm going to start us off correctly now. Well. Welcome to another episode of the everyman show. This is episode sixty five six I should have waited one more comeback. Yeah. Six six. Yeah. It's gonna be kinda devil. Got taken out again, six people. Down again to should fucking controversy. I'm gonna order Little Caesars with six pepperonis on right? Sixty six. Join. A lot of sixes for. I'm not this laws. Say them continuation. Skip that episode house Bruegel that do the big at the hot spring under. And heard of that house. Keep going down whatever building they put their that thirty floor. Gotta be fuck. Fuck. Why is it thirty-four Krino windows relaxed just going to skip the floor? It's going to go twelve fourteen fifteen sixteen. Oh, man. But no, I don't know. Yes. But this is for now episode sixty five so we're safe in here. But I'm sitting here finally with a crew slipped cruelest last week. But that was like we've been lost was like we go for one fucking wheat, you leave. And I feel like time just like just the seems to not exist going to this quantum Rome. And I just. John's freezing your girlfriend boys one time. Fun fun people Caesar's over sixty times you start to worry about them build a little care for them. You know, you want an apple. When you're talking about like these two later homeless people like us, either go to Cuarto thug food, but like. Got scared. They're like wild animals, you'll never train you could just feed them. Hopefully, they won't kill you. See him call. You a wa an overdose. Early. Got a week is I'm gonna come in. You got you got me fucked up. So I'm not no fucking while. I was gonna wait 'til about thrones early you gonna let him call you. Yeah. Did you guys have been known as magical creatures like dragons mother of dragon? Oh, I did a show where the head is mad like fucking renaissance art. The head bisexual Centaur for. Yeah. Can you tell that called Ohio? The centaur. Okay. And there's a whole dude eating Centaurs acts. All right. Well, let explains it. Okay. I I'm having trouble getting the visual. Wow. That's all you young. Right. Fucking ball. Right. You got an old crew who know ask going in. That's what it is. Oh, wait. Yeah. Criminal ham. The gentlemen. Let me tell you. Okay. Yeah. Hanging out dog style. And you're like, you know, what I'm just going to spread to cheeks. That's right. That's just not. Yeah. You're right judge weirdo. In a weird situation. What question you want to ask I feel like it feels sound here was the mythical creature? He probably be like an accountant and help, you know. Yeah. Breaking up. All you do wrong. He looks like a Muslim has the definitely faking being Muslim. Muslim. I figure Ramadan. But why are you something tonight? You know, you going along with the issues and you're not Muslim right Muslim, right? But we'll just size of are that you're about to go soon, and you just getting ready. All right. Well, let me let me continue man. We just barely getting started. I've just been trying to interests here. I'm your host is always people John every man, blah, blah, blah sitting. He's like. This is my favorite of soap, Michigan. Us views. Background playing fucking chair from some cut. He he was you know, how would. Duck son in the background. That's cool, man. But ducks be fucking, bro. They definitely do quite visit. I'll follow that as in the ball. Oh, cool. Are you ready to get down the him? Like, ooh, yeah. Yeah. I can see in privacy real. I can see him doing that. I hope you'll start what he's looking because he's probably doing busy bits. Probably wasn't a room me. What I started thinking. That's like Yod dropping the seed that now I definitely want to do it. Not. On my head like now, I want to do it. And I actually want to go and see my girl, but I cannot. That's a whole. Gonna work for your brother little. Chapter seven we'd just starting to book. Well, let me finish the picks. Finally, we haven't seen you in a while here. Matteo bagging room, like an hair hanging out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to see you on that. The guy guys skip prom night tonight. It looks like just do just graduate. Who's hanging outside of problem here for the tomatoes. Right. Can I follow it in the mall? See with this as Mr. good night. Go fuck yourself over there. Beanie head wearing Walter also walterman. And it's you. Been hearing this whole time here. He's a recurring co host guests from season one that we had. Okay. Finally, you could come through don't worry about it, man. We're just getting started took us like five minutes. Get started recurring guests from season one. He was with us on the road six which he loves Severi much as only one ever taken down got him. How much they really love you that. I don't know, bro. And we have here Randy themselves. Make sure as Randy. A move on. Yeah. Randy. And we have Renauld. We're no man, you your highest pluck Rosal latte numb high any partially buzzing. Thank you for identifying it put Renault, man. He'd been letting me call you like what was I calling you Roland get used to that everyone kind of. But Renault or not. Yes. All right, man. You're the nicest human beings plant was up. You gotta pronounce Brazilian. Yeah. You sound like very foreign society. It is Haitian man. Okay. See I was about to go. Go there. But it sure. Okay. So you hasten all right cool Renault row, wait Rennell, Renault Renault. Go rinaldo. I wanted to keep doing over known Renault. Can you say we're not stupid? Oh. At least you're dressed like you're not. Just like he just got out of frigging. Collar late night class extra credit courses. Like he walked out of the room as a student walked into the other one is a substitute. And we have people just Assad amended. They take off ready. They probably thought the show is going to need us anymore. All right goddamn. All right. The the water working the chair. He's over there spots. He now would so that we want to kind of make room. You know, what I'm gonna put yet you. I guess you can go over there. And you know, what you you just want to? Yeah. We'll we'll play musical chairs now. I love pre-production than on me family. All right. I was. I was always sit up that was a plate of food. But it is a plate of food. So good for you, say good, healthy food. Well, what we're going to put you over here. So that way we can get you over here on this Mike because I might go with eight. Yeah. You mind, I'm just glad you over here and Renauld a got it, right? Switzer? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You could come hang out with these guys over here. They don't bite. You'll go over there. Randy likes them. He he's got familiar. You could not you could slat over. Yeah. There you go. He grabbed that Mike there's headphones. Yeah. There you go. See now things are looking a little more now. Yes. Thank you. So sitting here with us. Are the reason for today's episode, man? Oh that was you know, nobody knows where that came from. How is it? That like hip hop artists. Come in and autumn sudden like we'd wraps just start appearing on paper. Unlike on tables and sit. Yeah. That's not the first time that's happened in here. But yes, man, sitting with us people I've known this guy for many years, and I've seen him on the ground just like many artists out there. I mean for a while I've seen this man smashed stage after stage after stage from anywhere to the west coast to the east coast of this country. Probably is more. I will know to I told them here. Let's sit in with us. Is. Eight. I'm gonna say artists columnists hip hop anymore. Come back. Yeah. You're not supposed to see it anymore. I have artist based out of New York City. So have all my New York listeners a his stand up right now as they say right that I get it. Right. Because I wanted to terms right? They still say stand up, right? I don't know. Okay. Cool. I don't even know, but we have seen with this Meli, scarves, man. Right. Yeah. Yes. I believe in it. Can't trust her. Yes, professional. Yeah. He knows how to doing. He's even got the same time in. It's like all hip hop. Artists artists do artists never show up on time for shit, especially more like the music side of like, how many you know, what before I even get into it, man. How many years have you been incidence? It depends like if we're just talking about when I started rapping. High school eighth grade eighth grade like I brought my first rat in eighth grade after I won like three talent shows somebody was like why don't you do your own ship? And I started writing my own stuff and then like as far as actually creating a project high school freshman year. So you've been pretty much life at this point at this. Well, more than half of my life, more than half is pretty much all you know, at this point for show. Well, I know a lot of things, but I definitely notice music industry. Very well. I will see. All right, cool. I wanted to give people perspective route quit. So they know what you what you started off our high school. And then I record deal was like eighteen and then three four deals later we hear now right in producing you name it, and I'm I'm eating scene. You hear Miami, man? Like here we hear I happen to be checking. Grandma, and a senior internal fuck that man. I gotta get this guy in the studio like, you know. Hits you know, man. But got me before I got to you a lot of people like the norm for some reason. I try to hit a lot of people up, and they don't and I wanted to say real quick before we even get into anything else. John. You my mom fucking, man. Is my first manager. Yes, he legit is younger than me and just approach me in high school. Like, yo I heard your shit, your we weren't even friends. He I even know, you know, what he often about into mutual friends had mutual friends and the do that. I knew was like, yo I know this kid. He's smart. You know, he into your stuff like, and he just came to me with a proposition. I'm you know, I'm a sophomore or some shit junior. And I was like fuck it. You know, I ain't got no manager. But this this is how I I want you to be honest in. Yeah. I we like is it young love it in here and the routes me like you I wanna to manage. But tiger raid. I did. It was like that was going to get back to that. I was going to date it back a little bit. How far but tell though. The following week. Tell them, but tell them when I start you wooded. I look like what was that experience? Like, what was that? Like. I wanna wear it. You you you you one. This is a free show for your fan base. Not you could win it as improperly. From two different worlds, two totally tell them house like different worlds, you can be as honest. I know. I hold back. I know. Correct. Right. You don't have to this is my last place. Negate was like a tweet. Like a like a coup tweed was still because. Still right. You should be riding with home. Everywhere. You go round. It's it's still run. A two door is open. It's crazy. Vani? But yeah. But like still smart and was like, yo I wanted you know, what I'm saying. I feel like I feel like we can take your. I'm living as. Basis. This look like a panel right now. And they're about to go into question more. I want to let them have a. Wait a minute. You know is amongst your monthly appears now and got a sell that they fueling off of where we was going to go with it that we're helping you will you were cool. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Any new hip hop. You know, he knew music, but what was some of the experiences like me just having to go inexperienced things with you. Because you know, someone like you and we're going to do in a little bit. But you gotta education very fast is a very fast educational who I was and rightly be an yorker who had just kinda moved to Miami may be two years before you met me two three years before you met me, and it was like two totally different worlds. But as you know, especially in business, I think opposites do attract I can't have another wild crazy motherfucker like ours. It doesn't work. We wouldn't have we wouldn't have done shit. We didn't accomplish it. No. You were the, you know, the brain to the vote trying and all other pieces went to I will say that. And I was not responsible. And I was not I was the worse. I literally had to come to my house. Wake me, a dress me like it will work. We're two hours later. We gotta go to north west to the studio model year. It was like exactly like he he he he he he he made the packets better than what it already was. Because I was just loose and wild and crazy and this is before. Yeah. This is before time. Everybody knew we was talented. Anybody knew what I was bringing to the table. I want every rat battle only provide the lowest who was my own homeboy ripple recipes Miami legend, by the way, you know, what I want to get we're gonna go in reverse your time with you here. Again, you know, just to get perspective about person like you. And who I've known who you are you guys. I don't know if you guys in your neighborhood ever had that dude in your neighborhood on your high school that was really fucking cool. The cool guy of your fucking neighborhood or high school and everybody like anything did was sparking cool like even fucking like opening the door like yolk. You saw him. He jumped out that miata like Kuni like fucking jumping out of school bus was crawling really definitely in school bus. Right. You know, what I know to like juniors. This is who this guy was man, you know, I know people listening out there. I know you've got someone in your neighborhood right now like this. And this is who I got right here. This is my my cool guy the neighborhood like. Every time. You would see again like you said when we met, and I got a chance to really hang out with them. And see how things were this is that cool gun your block. I don't know. If that was like that funnier. Yahoo. I don't know. Now, remember? Cool, do you respect? And I made people respect you as well. See the cool guy does smack the shit out of you like I was you know, what I'm saying? Right. But makers for you types, right. But that's cool guy in the back. It'd be like. What was the what was that name used to give us? There was a ton of sugar night was popular. I'll be like two he cool, man. He coolly cou he wouldn't keep asking me the same question. Recording at nine thirty million still. The Monday coming up your thought he was going on stage before this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But but but that was the few that was meted. Has. That's exactly what he was. He was the battery and my back for all the shit that I could talk and a create 'cause we created things together, you know, create a connections, he created connections. But they knew they couldn't hit me up because I wasn't going to be responsible. Yes. They will contact you. And I'll just be like this got a call him. It's always good to have somebody who also putting their battering your back but show for show too. And if you're paying some why the talented just don't do it themselves in and it was crazy. 'cause there's a lot of times that I wanted to smack the shit out there. But I still. I still had that respect for him to be like you're welling right now. But I know that you're right. Like deep down inside like we know that we're late and I thought that up, but yet you're saying they're going to wait for me. And we go kill shit when we get there. And they would happen. I feel like there's someone right now like hanging out managing like a young rapper. And that man is just showing up late to everything in the poor manager right now is getting by the promoter. It. All of us. Piece a shit. Autom- manager in the future. We're not gonna do volley. Go. Those minds. One. I go by the name age. Introduced bobby? House already slid him removed. Because young cousin is you already snow Washington heights furnace. We up in here way Deichmann their dyke mints, will I might add that you hear all them songs and the bad is Dominican bitches who could hit you ever seen in your entire life. Man. That's where the fuck. Three or five so real for real fun on Miami, Miami, my second home, always I was raised. And I'm still back, Abe. So the reason why though. Yeah. Because I want to give props because my first time on the show. Okay. Yes. So guys just want to give processed John because I didn't see only when he was. I I go I'm comedian. Now. I mean, a heavy goes by work. And I just watched you watched you from like like just big, you know, all. Spots. You know, what I'm saying the Fendi? Efendi? Still granted to that. Now, I just wanna you know, pay homage for Raphael. Mother fucking. Thanks. If you really wanna know. So he was not really that funny either. He was. Well, he was like. All right. He was good at like, you know. And then right, right rebuttals. Oh, your master rebuttals. But like creating the funny was never really a ding. So that's another achievement to actually become and go into this field. And it's something, you know, 'cause they usually tell stories like this have been funny since he was threes owes always now that was my mom didn't. But when I start doing nobody believes it. I still don't believe in there. They're like any. Yeah. But these guys if you ask them they're still waiting for me to do comedy. If you as any of these guys see me before. But man, let's go back may leave me alone. This is the man show. But it's about you. We want to give them some authentic stories actually known you for over. We'll bring him up going on over twenty years. Yeah. We'll bring them up job grab a couple of times on the show, really. Recorded yummy. What the episode numbers? Go back. Well, you know, what you should tell them about the times. I have approached you about wanting to take the rap sites you guys out of here. Yeah. We gotta go offered low some special and also I gotta ride on take advantages opportunity ran against. You will be back. You're you're the man I love you so much for coming here. You guys are the man you guys. Lawn reliant or the one guy y'all of the one guy all of the one people y'all of the one entities. Reloading is being a good human being don't stop. Was it reliant? Really, I I'm not thinking right now. Oh, it wasn't. It was Renauld you probably right, man. I'm really bad. Then when yet if you don't get you you can you can hear it that money you ever. The closer for you. That might now. Yes, AG can hang on. Saying I see what you're saying. What do that? Yeah. Yeah. How are we go? I'm always go with change. You can even take those headphones and you get pass them over the other. We'll play some more musical chairs in here. While the as on the always go with changes changes reloaded, by the way, where you find it on all musical assume modify apple title. My last project. Court changes reloaded Meli Scuds but hold on minutes talk. Let's talk about you back in the beginning. You said real quick you had made a mention here and all this. You started back when he was eight. Doing Tannen shows winning like three towns shows. Performance always been as you know, you wanted to rapid. I didn't know I was my first one I played James Brown. I I was James Brown in my school musical. It was like second grade second third grade. So I might have been eight or nine years old Kelly. Did you did like James Brayshaw? It wasn't like a first place where everybody told me I killed this. Did you do the whole James Brown? Splendid the whole thing. Yeah. We did the whole thing. So I came out, but the capable of going capable of your cat dancing. And then and then when it got real was actually when I came to Miami adult school, call hammocks middle school. Would you what role year you hear Miami? I came out came at eight okay for eighth. Okay. So you're probably talking what like ninety somewhere in the mid mid-nineties. Okay. Okay. So when that when we did that show. It was just me I did a grand poobah. And this is when a rent thinks a lot of the grand. Yes, I did grand poobah like some air. Should he had out at that time kilt that in one night, and then I? Another show and just kept doing like, you know, other people songs and stuff and just killing talent shows with people are doing of people songs and then by like the third one. They was like what are you doing? This is what you need to be done. And we was young. So it's like rows athlete. Really? That was what I was in. So you play sports. Yeah. In prosecute. Yeah. Yeah. What is your plan? Was I was predominantly baseball. But I played three football. Sounds like pointless leading. The major year when I played football played out here as well. And and play basketball sold her great us to ask or like their fourth grade. But baseball football was from pee wee's from the beginning. Wow. So, but you mean, then towards you just realize at some point music was going to be us. It was always, you know, it was always there. But I just didn't know it was going to be the thing that I was actually going to do it was more focused on sports than then when you start seeing that those avenues closing after high school, and I'm in the streets, I'm wild. And you know, what I'm saying more I feel like more than lifestyle took me off a sports the lifestyle. I wanted to live wasn't conducive to the sports. You know what I mean? I gotta write gotta actually be at school. And I got to actually get good grades, and you and you had a lot of people in and I remember this. And this is me just watching as a casual listener in hip, hop at the time and local hip hop to like you had such big reputation like. This colder ones, they're my friend. If you want some colder ones in fridge if we can get Walter where stop looking at duck porn. He he could give a hand. Give me. He's watching. Duck porn again is doing on the risk watts. But you know, what you know at the time. I saw that you gained some popularity you know, through what she was doing locally. And you know, I know that at that point Fabio man when you get such popularity like that you start to to make these decisions, but how did you know, what the popularity to make this decision because you could be easily cloud. There's some people say you ship, but then you go somewhere else, and they're like man fuck, you know, you trash. For me. It was because I started in the freestyle circuit. I started in a battle then a battle circuit at a young age. And then I got my name from the battleship. So it was like I wasn't really going into it thinking about making music. I was making music, but I wasn't really on it like that. I was on this battle shit. And I was just winning coming in the second. You know, always it was either first second all the battles. And I'm out there with the best of them. You know what I'm saying? At that time it was Comey. Everett Lido been like classic dues craze was first rocket. And it was like crazy dean and right? I'm saying talking. You grew up in or KENDALL baby. Do Negga killer. Kim douse. The KENDALL, man. One five full. We. Gorillas the kindle, we just had a crazy hood. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Man. Love Garcia Garcia. We went to school together. Yeah. What was it? Like he was really how that good. That's the home Edo. I mean, you know, we was out heart Mandelson tense, man. And it was in the beginning of everything. But you knew it was is is loved Lovie. Let me ask you grown men badly. Success? I love being in New York and and watching trae champs and watching the documentaries, especially because documentaries of fucking great where they go to the different countries. The last one coming home Columbia. I did not. So I gotta check it out. But once all of them. I mean, that's the home. He's your fan. I was on EFL e fan. I mix tapes when he first started saying, I remember them days. I was going to ask you about that in that time. And you said there was a lot of battling going on. But like, you know, us always at the one to moment spots when you battled out. But who's the one that always gave you that challenge though? Bagging today's I wanted to be ripple. Yes, nasty his my brother from the death. And I miss him like crazy. He's no longer with us. But he was my he was my that was the anchor of what I looked at like of greatness, like dance a freestyle for like, ten minutes straits and talk about everybody saying all kinds of shitting in Spanish and the mitigation Comores. And like he was just it was just on human. You know for those that don't know who we're talking about like, I said. Right. And I remember him and he had like he actually had the attention of DJ Callen for like a long time man to Kelly with Kelly would still have big carrying crate since you're saying he coming in sneaking into the back side. I don't think it's for the beginning was like him KENDALL. It was beautiful because at that time, especially when Kelly started doing them big big shows with with that Joan ship. He started doing these joins. But that's when they got crazy. That's when he really, you know, he used to do reggae. He was a this whole new, right? He's it in the underground same Killa. He was killed. Yes. Killer digitally big on that you should do Jamaica. And all that shit back in them days. Fast shot out, the my I DJ money battle. God the money a Hannibal wanna get balloon. And he's also in New York nab also we started here in Florida, the gover- he used to be his, you know, the Rhody with we count it. You know? I mean, he was there for all the beginnings and. A NADA of brothers that. I know also that hoped a lot in the beginning before that before it's ever score before before radio all of that. I've been around these brothers from the beginning, y'all. Let me ask you men being about that back back in those days seeing these rappers now, what do you think back then when if I was now here Miami? Where's that today? I mean. Miami has literally transcended from what it was when I first got it like this shit in the nineties is just like after Andrew in the nineties. There was a wave of New Yorkers. I play netanyate all came. Well, I can tell you what one word matter of fact, crack crack. Consid- got crazy in our her 'cause everybody dying killing each other Knicks game robbed and drugs is crazy and your cousin is hooked. And you know, what I'm saying? And he's just like we gotta get the fuck out if you don't know history Washington heights in the eighties in the aero crack cocaine, but yes, it was that sounds crazy. We had. L boys. Come. We started going one by one it was like he came and then my other aunt came. And then I came and then by the end of the day, the whole family was down. We nobody wanted to know nothing about New York tonight always wanted to know what at least at least. And he said to the mid nineties, then it got better. You know what I'm saying? But like early nineties. Is you say Mattel old enough? Another thing is out there that I've met with dole. My parents like you can't fuck with them. You care. Now, we're people if you over certain from your real New York by if you seen the eighties or anything too early nineties. That's when shit was really really really real or the seventies. Even saying when the fucking graffiti was inside of the train. Yeah. Inside could you imagine that could you imagine sitting and all of this all this beautiful art, you got in here is all fucking dirty as well to them. That's how they looked at it. Graffiti on top of graffiti, haven't even you know what I'm saying. So we. York here. What would you opinion, 'cause I've always seen every time a New Yorker here, that's Libya, still says, your New York is better man this shit hearing it ain't over but but in the nineties yet on to sit nine oh, two one. Oh, I was like you. I came to nine or two. I've been a Catholic school my whole life wearing the uniform. You know what I'm saying? I'm finally got the wear clothes and fuck it had a by neck. I roll my bike the TV shit. I was like TV shit the meat, you know, like I walk the my school and and playing ball all year because it's how I complete winner baseball. I can do whatever the fuck, I, you know, saying it was like an school like all these different coaches. That was another thing. Like, I never really I knew there was Columbia's. And I knew that was Cubans and stuff, but I had never really liked actually chilled met one Williams. That's the point. I'm just saying. How? Even my Haitian brothers, even my Haitian brothers from the same country. I can't tell you that I had met a whole lot from predominantly Dominican community. Obviously I've seen black. I've seen white saying I seen Puerto Rican you're saying, but we we from town like, I don't really know. All of that soon as those are shocking stimulus. I was like God this shit Latin America. But then it's like the whole Carribean Jamaican his agents what the fuck, but it was beautiful beautiful. Internet and all that she was in poverty. I mean, we see these this shit. But I know what it what it what it was like like, I know how people spoke and even in Spanish like all the different Spanish dialects. Like, you know, what I'm saying? I know I know Dominican go-to person. I yeah, nine I never understand. Those people are still to this day. I barely understand any now. You know, you understand the different time you can feel it. I was that was part of the biggest shit. What that was part of the biggest thing like the coat the coaches shock of like. Yeah. And then it was like mostly Spanish over English. And I'm like what's going on? When when when you had like, you know when I was bugging. I'll tell you this the east so program, which is. Yeah. When you kids speaking. Was this linking? Speaking. Oh shit. I was well, I was like how you get to go three years to high school. You still just took Spanish whether that's not fair. We're in America. Let's get going. Let's learn he's not trying to be funny enough. But it was just like bugged out like, but then it was also a great thing as I got older. Could be going to school my whole life having dick as accent is at the same time. Then have you see when you grow? It's like you're like that was so don't that people got to you know, what I'm saying that special attention, really snakes, you know, about next year, you're talking English. You don't like talking. Funding, but you talking and you can read it. You know, what I mean, that's a beautiful thing. Now, delay our son. I had this conversation every day when I'm out here. I was in like target, bro. Like why you only talking Spanish? Don't do this in New York. And then I'm gonna respond to you in English. Right. See if you switch it now, you still took Hispanics. Yes. Like it will. No. And is there going to something is wrong with you? Right. That way my Erica. That's when you were. Maybe do you think yet yourself? But I don't fucking look at me. Harry sauce on industry. Meeting catching it in all realize the injury. Let them all out was going to answer you in my you're just. You're just. He can't tell it's been. Hey, what you catching L? Oh, yes. Some fish, ma'am. Devout chilling. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Vision. You gotta be diminished Miami. You spoke more Spanish than you had to spoke more Spanish than English uptown too. But like if you think about it, not when you're in society, once you get into society, you gotta turn that English on so in you're gonna ask you that my black took in Spanish, right spangling. Right. I mean 'cause we're also American. So we said, we know fucking English, and we all in the hip hop coach. We're not like. Yeah. Room male Santos. That's not who we are where you know. What? I mean. That's. Especially Amman neighborhood. I live in area the northern part of Washington heights, which is called Inwood. It's like its own area Deichmann, and it's like we were way more Americanize people on one hundred seventy ninth just got here last year. You know, I'm second generation. That's that. That's the way you break it down. It's like hi alita in fucking. You know what I mean? Miami late, right? Snow? Just got here. Miami lakes. I might have the talk English and CVS money, which you should be fucking talking. So I don't understand how is them both. And that is goes. Now, we are together. We we in unison, but I was just breaking down areas as far as like the heart of Washington heights, which is like one sixty eight one seventy you know, what I mean. One eighty I one ninety seven they're just is a different neighborhood. If you see geographic, right? You have to come down into where you from from the from Hatton from okay? Just that's happening now because that's the first time I ever some town. Yeah. Because people always use the Bronx. Washington. Isis is you know above Harlem since call them, why should to height. And then where I'm from which is an will. But we still consider part of Washington, and it turns into the when you can't go more north than that in Manhattan, literally Manhattan ends in my neighborhood on two hundred nineteenth street. There's a little bridge or you can go east to what is for them. The me ask you when you when you when you go from New York to Miami, the feel like you've gotta flip a switch mentally nine except for that. That span Lumina took Spanish to me yet. And yes it, Dan, we kissed me. 'cause this not fair. It's not fair that this bubble where he just severing now that he got a have someone approach them. And assume that he's speaking spin Walter likes it like his girlfriend Spanish. Yeah. I mean, we're always speaks. We also have different when it comes to trying to break up with them. I'm on the. Yeah. Really? Ladies and. You to get my term. No matter import. Speaking of them. Miami. And the Cuban thing is so infused into was he does like I'm Dominican is bragging from wherever you are getting a little something about the Cubans because this is. Abby. Mickens right. Correct. Correct. How we just so natural. Of course, you're over here that this is natural to us. We we understand it no matter where you from counties like that with the Mexican. So they got the radio. It's definitely with the Mexican. I'm gonna tell you. Right now, we don't know Mexicans run out lay. That was don't run out late is the Mexican. How? We should what is the Mexican mafia me. I don't know. I should be talking about this ship. It just get it. Should get your shit. Right. Listen, that's giving them. The work is the Mexican do you feel me? So they really don't want running the shit, Cubans and Colombians. Not let Mexicans take over here. We we're going to put up a little bit of a fighter. Mexican on every blocks Melita on. Every black in the world. Yeah. Well in America for show. Space. Mexico's you'll know about the last six. They run bigger numbers fashion essay hung interview lactic off commend again. That boy. I was curious with New York now being the women like New York women versus Miami women. What's what's the? Yeah. Tough that's tough New York chick. Or what are the differences is is is you? At least she'll talk like thirty show hit on you, shoes gangs. Yes. Even Ouango even the white group over. Thanks little Karen fish. It was just like us. Fatty suit. Yeah. That's. Just fast. You know what? I mean. Yeah. It's not you're not gonna get over on here. So how do we do? Sit on them. Fuck right. Miami win. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm not saying they not smoke. But it's a different valley. It's a different speed yet. New York is a different speed from everything like the, oh, maybe only fuck and China is that the same speed is New York China. Is just fast as you got to be on your shit. Everything is moving when you to go with a New York Nova. But what am I am me girls? Just speaking be careful don't take no brakes, don't though sleep on it. You know, like, you might be chilling. She might take you slow, but don't sleep on her. I think that's my I don't know. I don't know. I I agree with that. All right. So you know, what let me get back to you with with hip hop here. Real quick meant what was your? What's your career? Like, what was it like for you? Once you really got serious incidents. I mean, they was they was this do, you know career? Of course, obviously. We focus on a lot of different things as well. As my career you mean fashion after my cousin Danny lay on Jan performance on Sunday. And I wanted to actually talk about that man, cousin Danny lays, a lot of energy is a lot of energy in that right there, and you working with them now game right now, we know every every opportunity that we get of course, you know. Yeah. We help as far as I help in ways that I can of course. And just just just just she's just doing so crazy right now. And we in love with it, all and. Think she just did a track with why seem she's done tracks with a little baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was on a remix here. There's more than one baby out there say they both perform role allowed to on on the same. You guys in time for I mean, I'm going you know, what I mean? But yeah, we're not hitting here tonight is night one, obviously. But they got nights Sunday Joe by that shit, man. That's that whole setup is Sunday's little Wayne, a really I believe so it's like like eighty per night is crazy can't see all its way over. All right. Yes. They whether it's three stages, so yeah. Running. You gotta like choose. We wanna go see I think I went to the first one. Personal warehouses winwood today. Go from that to this day. I was just talking about that yesterday. They did a documentary on vice land about the beginnings of the and it was crazy. The first one was like in a club words like like four artists. You know what I'm saying? They started mind with schoolboy Q and currency is well, they were the ones beginning beginning at I was like rain down fire Marshall came it was like some crazy story. But but then it just progressed to that won't boom. The win. Would they went to all the people that did the elegy elementary parties that was like a lot of people my age while everybody was doing shit here at the party's John? So if you're pro it's a beautiful thing I was bugging yesterday. 'cause I went by the stadium. And I was just like you could see the stage was set up outside. Yes. That and I was just like, wow. I'm like, he knows a massive awesome. Like dance. She you know, what I mean we in these we in the stadiums. Daddy, raising she she did a ill chauffeur for title for Jay, z in the Barclays, which was pretty crazy. And it was artists on I like that was also a little Wayne little Ryan and Lauren hill with a headline is dope of empha- title. But it's like, it's just gone so fast. And and and I'm happy about that. We we going off that my man Brandon bills whose brother is a huge part of, you know, women successes. Well, he dope all this as well. What is so it's just you know, let me we keep it in the family. It's my cousin. They my cousins cousin's cousins kids, you got the Jack of like music on every every everyone's like. Like like, maybe outside. Your main. I feel like I started. The first one. Yeah, me I was when they was young. They was looking at me that used to make perform in fucking me and New Year's and Christmas. Say with little kids sickness. The song you're saying and the last one they saw room for right? Right. Right. That's what they saw literally. Right. Right, right. He was school here. And I'm on a high school makes take that these things put that that got around us progress. Crazy you'll which his brother was the DJ too fast out at the because they're able you already know the beginning begin his mix tapes. I'm talking about we we like freshmen sophomores, and we in my crib with like my cousin crib with to take dex, bro. And a Mike plugged into the headphone spot or the Mike spot. You know, what I mean who us come ruin wisdom who he'll one with the b and of recorded on a ninety minute. Join we can't do not think that gotta get it right on the first take I was gonna ask you man, you're gonna rewinding coat over this shit. Artists you go. You guys you got sound. You guys were at that era where like making a record just at any aids. With by barely nothing in your hands. It was like a mission. I m s man, that's that's your name. Local doing real big things. He's a wow director now as well, the rectum, great films and has a great film about my neighborhood as well. And you know, we are here. He also from Miami. From New York raised the Miami. You don't mean he was in Hamilton trainers in eight grade with me, that's why he became my DJ. He was the winning. You know, what I mean, the first time I ever did anything. It was with the, homey. You mean, and that's my brother. I just felt he I gotta be gotta be right there. All my phone. He just emailed me. He doing another. He doing the project because he worked with Joe and radio talked about it. So we could just validate the skill. Would you you down to do some right now, we put it to you like that? Yeah. For sure I mean, I mean can Walter stop looking at like. I think he's gonna have you will Mattel. All right. All right. I appreciate it. Yes. Drain. I. Your words. It was going on. You could tell he I don't want it. Shit. He doesn't even have those. Aren't even plugged into. Whenever you want to go. But man, let me ask you men like since since from where you started. What what what where where have you performed? I guess how many albums have you put out like what have you been able to do? I mean that's been makes taste, but like as far as albums. I definitely. Since the beginning beginning I could save five and then one would in a group setting your main with a feature three different records on universal for for years back and forth from LA San Francisco. I let a bay bay the base crazy Vert verte. I was out there. Also like nineties already like out there. When in forty was first getting when news, I really doing it like when begging was killing them have you been able to work with anybody? As far as I mean. I mean like to eat Wardi like debate nine. Anywhere going record and stuff like that. You're gonna laugh. Yeah. I mean, this there's many to Safar beginning. But like chase drugs was on the last project shrinks drugs. All right. Heaving peace. My brother checks actually, the song is me my man ripple who passed away. Right. She she is ago in him when did a passing away. So I'm actually also so alive person you guys who have wild, man. So you guys played. Wow. So that track haven't read around and Jake somebody was reading that time when he was about where we're French Montana in that's going to. So we recorded it like when he I was like a coke boy. Okay. When he first went to cocoa. But he was still riot squad. Which was like, you know, from stack bundles who also with slain in earned from queens. He used rumor stack bundles for far Rockaway, which is where ripples from. Okay. Yes. Steve is you know from that zen mart. He from for Rockaway. Yeah. So it was like, I only know I only know youngest the do do my man who put the beat my man ridiculous ridiculous beach. That did the the the beat for the song. Right. He was he was the glue that, but you know, for Rockaway represents boy, you know, me then he camps together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that was the most recent one on my last album, but you out obviously, I've been with like a lot of different artists from all over, but like chasing for knit who's now a sat worldwide management. Oh, we're yeah. That's those are the homes from LA. You know, what I'm saying Solis acids, Fanshawe solar? Assassin mug for show. That's the homey mugs. You know? Just like worked a lot of years with them as well as dope. Man. But yeah, I mean you and with the man I've done Spanish shit done for him. You got. This it we charting too crazy with some do Nate hedges who's like a ill Dominican singer from like the eighties like a comeback album like in two thousand and I wrote like three songs for him. He was trying to get into like, hey, don't thing or worse. And I gotta do this stuff for the times. And then I wrote three songs for him in featured on two of them. Are you big on where we think thing they we-? They was the connect. Name is today. Today. We'd be. A weekday thing. You know, the day wouldn't say that. Just make a mix mother fuckers. You've got to be quick fast. Eight hundred is named I need a name for everybody got a name. Everybody got an even if you don't actually call yourself that nickname yet you have one if homeboys so if. Now might be something wrong. Let's say all hanging out right now. We'll have different was my nickname in Deichmann right now. I'm in New York right now, I got a nickname. What is it? Back in the day. There was a name is van. It was some. Shit going to be some big, Dan. It was a time when shook night came out and nickel and daddy was. Still growing center. On. Heading reach my full potential of hype in this thing. Ready? Easy and. To overweight in. Travis. I was right. But she was a cool do, but but they wouldn't you know, we'd have to go New York and give a nickname you. You white Charles Barkley. Well. He would call me. I'll give you the name you shook daddy. Shook night. My best shook night. Oh, you shook night shook name because what happened was when they went to go pick up some weed and as the manager they liked to dentistry me as I was very concerned for the safety of others, and they're and their situation. So I got a little worried and he decided to call me shook night. Right. Right. That is. Woman. I was I was a little paranoid at the time. What I'm loving right now is that I'm looking over there and Walser take picture. Big as plate. I one of his empty out two bags of chips on at the bottom is. Milton copies mill too. So he got from that. Seasons. I missed noodles. I'll keep saying that randomly, but hey, we gotta beat already. I. Go for you. Get a little more in. Turn me up. A. Go by the name of Malley start. Yeah. When I got up the new school prodigy, I'm old school camping. Now. It's me. Like, my brother he might ever be. He'd be next to me what we doing on the speed. Let's go off the top back to my gammy. Amanda every show with big John put the right? The me. This is what we get it to the fight the creek and Bobby Jay here with me can fate waken fate, waking fate. Give me give me a little more. Gimme speed run. More time, actually. But the Mattel wants lower. Not now we talking on the ship put Cheetos on his plate to got everything on their got chicken. Get sick. Body somewhere. Are we picking up speed? I'm waiting on his five G. To listen to this. You're what I gotta beat new school prodigy, I'm old school by Cam acknowledge me AG, my brother he liked by everybody. Whether it's the drinks to the drugs maker be next to me. No other way came we do when we air drug. We family unit. We all g I depend appall been alive kinda died came back to life looking at a centerfold but Vicky top and bottom the ex president at Harlem, I rock from bottom. Pops the bottle Bank and Little Rock way. Shot him all the demons aside me Oxy Cottam angels, a fly round office bottom of print two women that I think gone and columns, and then I'm right back kinda like we start woes with the Empire State except the generates to strike that. That's what we talking about changes reloaded. I gotta AG some boss. They go home. Eight. Oh, gee, golly. Gotta beat. Oh, dad, man thing. Yes, we got to slow stop. And now we hit. Let's go. Hi. Nicosia's? Hi, my mouth was Pat. Every man. So he's a g we're here. We're here. Five. Yup. Yup. A to be rolling SP posits goes in. You heard me. Listen picture me wrote enough speed, vases point with they waiting go the men and the ones I'm never felt like another New York winning turn on the heater. But staus so cold. You got the shit up in the freezer only spit it in non fiction, but the Pence precise if I shoot it probably not missing they say if it's too hot and get the kitchen and not acting when the plot thickens by up was like James von mission. Everybody can't be Jordan. There's nothing wrong with Pippen. And we decide when they play goes Minova plans to make them pay. So decided they goes Knicks can't measure up they stayed medicine. Nigga? Nigga? He's thinking can't measure up by state medicine, sticks to the script. That means. I stay switching it up. Stay on your toes. My boy never slip when you look middle fingers up. My nigga we not giving a fuck. Mattel do you? Have any words not that? I do. Bank. Stop marshawn, Maxine Waters. I reclaim my time. You see the game as mom because the aim is high. Shit. Like the stakes is high on plug one fuck that they're going flow. Let on selection allowed carbon on my cellphone like the goal. You got that Chris rolled up, and I'm Hobbs annoy you driving news for you ship fire down new Komeito window where paranoid. I got on the hip is. Civic to Kevin ship. And then take another hit windows. We all the ship. Okay. Jane, okay. So you just moved to play nine talking when you sit down and stuff your face bitch. Get your record straight you want the while fucking less Nick this Saint of race. This is a maverick carry-on. We in good over here. Plastic grapes. Lupone reach source fucking. Presence through say, yo may maybe the wicked shit festival. Festival in and way, convey work. Sits great. Oh, man. I'm gonna show my skills in here. Same progress. I've learned I've learned I learned to keep his. I real hip hop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fucking. Go ahead. Right. On night. Right. That man. Every. Will be dropping coal a Saint and less. I thought you had a real broad on my plea. This Manila, I hope and I'm glad you told you I roll all day. My lyrics. I recited that. You know what? Maze. Speaking of man, what's going on the day, man. These these rappers little baby baby. A quick as free style centers where like four nigga spit and murdered shit and host of the show. And then it went. Mike, and we just start talking shit again. Get shit, right, man. Step yard shows up. Human being providing entertainment. Are you almost fashionable into what's going on? Now you in with the new hip hop out there now. Yeah, he loves any lay. Yes. Sale audits on def jam records, yet low home my little cousin killing the game. Brandon bills dropping shoot just did a song with soldier boy on the west coast. You know, they based on LA now. They started out here in Orlando. She was actually a dancer phenomenal dancer choreographer. Okay. And then she always wanted to sing and everything started working when the dancing went really, well, but yeah, I mean, I did a lot of shifting back. You know, what are you listening to though? Got to be rap. We're just be dude. I you know, what I mean. Like pop Rb do like, I like, you know, what I mean? Like like, the Bryson tellers, the you know, what I mean that kinda shit like my boy. Allen Reta dope. Artists on death chain Aglietta of. Tori, lanes type shit. I like to like hood like her Negga singing. But I guess. Like, you gotta have bars to you know, what I mean? Because that's the new thing. It's like you gotta be able to to be able to harmonize and still be able to speak even women rat. You know what I mean? They joined the women. That's exactly right. I don't mean that I'm in RAB. Obviously, there's women rappers in the world, I'm talking about arm. Be honest like beyond say giving you bars. You know what I'm saying? That's giving you bars like on. Bart's naked. For the shit. That's in rand right now, honest balls whether somebody else wrote him or not she said it way doper than your ship. Well, yeah, you gotta respect that. And that's that's where the music is to me right now what I enjoy is all of that fusion of like you could with a goose areas areas. Sam pox, the Anderson pox at the world, home Anderson pop this nigga in the middle of his set and jumps on the drums cracking. You know, what I mean like that is a phenomenal artist fashion trae because that's that's you know, that's artists are getting more multi multi-talented and just opening up. It's not that it's that you just got him or you're not gonna be significant Kansas come out here. And just you could just come out here rap. But I'm saying as far as charts go and sales and stuff like that. You gotta respect the way that the set up, you know, the Taty feel with these rakes the world, how do you feel with them handling and social media now and them having more controlling. Too much in what he's saying though, is that part is the artists has most of what they wanna do like when he was about projects. You don't put out in on that anybody. I think at a time like this. You know, someone like you Meli like, you know, the popularity you've had over the years. You know, I think you would have definitely benefited from a lot of this. You know, I think for people of our of our group of life. This is something beyond this. Sometimes you know, what I mean? But you know, I feel you man, I think that's a lot of sentiment right now as crazy shit too. Is we was doing that? Like, I was harmonising choruses in the nineties, right? Nah. I remember ninety eight there was looks. I was singer shit. And it was like, oh, you sure you wanna do that. And. Yeah. Due back on. Phenomenal voice. But I knew that I know how to harmonising get the right sound that I want just for hook. And I don't feel like finding a singer, right? Well, now, how old is who skull me? I'm in my upper thirties. I'm actually turning thirty nine this yet. I'm young. I'm young. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure when I was a teenager. I was a young team. I was here. Well, yeah. In the late ninety news. Late teens. I makes sense. I was in my teams, but that. But as far as my were music is today is biggest sound. Yeah. Resort. Release more about the beat and the value. Because let's not even get into the trash as lyrics fucking mumbling and bullshit that's going on. Now. Well, how he's creative and he just he made some out, but I'm not going to be pumping. It like. But I I respected. I respect the move and for some really good. So you gotta respect respect me goes, I respect, you know, like our spec these negative, but I'm not gonna say that. That's what I'm bumping, right? That's not yet. I don't respect them lyrically that cry. You don't feel. Yeah. From what you're. Your liver says I above all. I joined it. You know what I'm saying? I don't hate. I don't. Everybody. I love whatever's around. I love what everybody wanna sound. The room. Everybody's doing bumping shit. At the same time. I'm not. Let me ask you. You said you still doing music, but by the way, you prepared back then versus how you now. It's different for you. Yeah. I mean. The process is different as far as just like. Should've just a lot easier. Obviously for matting things. Right. Mean, but. From recorded from may from from preparing from lyrically to lay lane, the beatdown nowadays, you're able to put out a lot more. Wow. More professional fast. Yes. Do song twenty thirty minutes yet from jump like just through the beaten for you. Now. It's just a it's almost like a memory. Is different obviously. Right. Yeah. Every might have a beat that. I'm gonna have for year. And right. And then one day, I'm like, I'm ready to do this. I mean right comes out of I've done that many times. I got between recorded the bee's that fires old. I call it. The beast literally that I had like in the stash and the Email and this. He'll be like. Yeah. High. What are you doing you produce into or you just right, right and record? Yes. To wear how as a group. In the background. They don't got big leaks out the warehouse. I'll be back them up. Boy teacher at the chiefs to bows, the whole way house team, Memphis rock nation, very that's the family. That's the affiliation. People mesh out. Everybody in prison. Man. I'm over business. We've got a little right back nine down here. But I free young. Young right back. All right. People. On the fourth of July. But I'm not trying to focus on giving. Let's go. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So so what are you working on? Now. What what what are some of things you doing? I'm coming back. I'm coming back job. My last pop. I saw the last overloaded get it every kind of music form, it's on their earlier, whatever you want is on their title. Apple changes loaded. Emme double L L Y S C U G G Z militias change reloaded dropped about two and a half years ago. Okay. And. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know, it's like a lot of things happening right now. Okay. We might as well do a project and makes that all in with everything that's happening right now. So. Yes. Stoke man. What man I think a lot of great ideas for producers are you know, as the years go on. It's not like you lose connects you just gain more of them. You know what I mean? And and things around you, and they stay. Grows. I mean, you, you know, back in the day. I went group was on the next group. They were gonna meet took forever. But now they social media in hand, you you find everybody, you know, what man I think I'm gonna take us home here with this. But before I do why would a right of passage of some open your mouth. Thanks. He went out of his way to pass that all the way around the open your news. Thanks. It's the every man so you heard waking Vinnie? Yeah. You're fittings. 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Evenki right now, they should've killed the handles killed all the frozen people. He killed a slow king. Those killed the role. We naturally he don't add shit. Here is like a sit down the couch. Anybody come in? We interview we don't care who you are talking shit. Beautiful talk your shit, man. South. We'll real is not trying to copy. We talk we gotta exit. Boise. If I could hear you might years, probably like completely own is a beautiful thing. I think for having Meli working. We're. On social media. Your mental everything at M E, double L Y as C U G Jisi Meli Scuds everything at avenue and guys check out his music. Please do yes definitely a g is there any where people could folly. AG Bobby j. Yeah. And like you said man, we'll have you done the road here awhile. Cowboy Cowboys you hear me while Cowboys and we're going to work on that wild Cowboys album, which is me and low homey AG battle Jay you already snit it. Oh. That's some that's been going on. It's been a while. 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Diamond Tempest in a Teapot

Arms Control Wonk

39:40 min | 1 year ago

Diamond Tempest in a Teapot

"You are listening to the arms control one podcast podcast on arms control disarmament, and non-proliferation. I'm Jeffrey Lewis Founding publisher of the arms control bonking walk and a professor and Mary Institute of International Studies at Monterey. Stein the director of research the policy research. Institute. It's just like old. Times Aaron. It's been a long time. So it's good to see. You had really busy lives these past couple of weeks. And not able to join us because she's going through some family stuff and So it's just Aaron and I like old days I'm kind of loving. Throwback. Thursday what having here? Yeah. Yeah it. It's fun. You know this is now my third location around the world where the fourth city around the world where we've done early. So unclean trips and travel. So it's good to join you again where are you at the moment I'm sitting in my bathroom Jeffrey Lewis Style? Although I'm not on the toilet I'm sitting on the floor on one of those. Boso balls the. Yes Does this does this mean your spouses very fit? With mine I bought. By spouses in the Home Office, my five year old is with my parents who bought an RV I'm not kidding and drove from Los Angeles Philadelphia because of our pandemic. My nine month old is asleep and so I'm. sequestered away in our master bathroom. Trying to not be allowed to the noise carries down the stairs this. This is the life of how many months we've been in quarantine now for me since early March. Yeah. It's also the march for me and I fear this is. I feel this is going to go on for a while. But we're not gonNA talk about the venting now though. Forgot podcast number one. Yeah. We'll know pass rule number one is to always mispronounce any foreign word. That's right. There's a lot of the foreign words are going to be coming up in the next couple of. Minutes as we talk about your. Your latest creation for the anti website. This is I have to admit it I read this or you sort of walk me through this right before the podcast and this is really good. So you you you you and your team did something that's that's really cool and really interesting it'll be fun to talk. Yeah I felt like even though we have a lot of topical things that we can and will eventually discuss. I sort of love this little interactive project which started as a little interactive project and grew to a giant obsession that dominated the workday at. CNN, for myself for an Pellegrino for hobby and Hinz for Adam. Martin took a little David laboon time probably some other people I've forgotten. All centered on two English words diamond tempest I think for listeners who aren't as familiar with the comings and goings of the United States in the Middle East you should be should begin right there. What is diamond tempest? I'm in tempest was a military exercise conducted by the Armed Forces of the United States and the United Arab Emirates It's something called a high rain, which is a freaking awesome name that's a High Mars rapid infiltration exercise High Mars being the. High Mobility Artillery Rocket System acronyms within acronyms within acronyms like the the world's do she s Metro Santa but it was basically an exercise in which artillery launcher mobile rocket artillery from the US in UAE practice loading up on a cargo plane and then practiced unloading and preparing to fire, which is you know within you might WanNa do if you were in a war. Right and I think that I will actually this was a question I say for the podcast you know so like you guys really did a number here where you went through multiple different sources to try and. I Guess Geo locate where the exercise was taking place on the air base and then build a timeline. So you WanNa talk about that I or you did this in the first place. Yeah I don't know. I mean I guess see we can. Maybe. We can. Maybe we can tease why we get it I mean the channel reason is. We think that friendly missile programs are understudied. Young there just isn't enough attention given to south, Korea, and Saudi Arabia and the UAE those countries that bought Scuds on two separate occasions from North Korea, which they deny by the way which they deny even though they had to have the sanctions on them wave twice So there is a US government paper trail. And yet, we don't really talk about the UAE's. Missile and rocket forces, and so because it isn't something that's disgust. It's something that we have to snoop on a lot. And while I don't think that there is a whole lot there at the moment I mean I think it's probably just the really old Scuds and then the new High Mars like I say the High Mobility Artillery rocket systems that they bought from the US. Mapping out their infrastructure for producing and deploying and testing missiles is just a thing we want to do. Because as we discovered in the Saudi case when they started building chinese-supplied missile factory, they did it facility we had previously defied, and so we're able to spot it relatively quickly. So you know. We kinda got interested in the you know it turns out that the the units that handle the the rockets, and the missiles in the UAE don't make many public appearances aren't described very much and the only time you see them as when they come out to play with their American counterparts, and so they came out to play and we decided to take a peek. Well I mean that's a good place to jumping right there I mean and we should say is that the way they were purchaser of the system themselves they do operate there. All right. Yeah. This is this is an exercise in which both US vehicles are put. On the cargo plane, which is the US cargo plane and then Emirati vehicles are put on the cargo plane and in fact, I mean one of the kind of fun things as we went through it. is. You know learning to spot the differences in terms of markings. So you know they have different paint schemes, but they also have different arrangements. When it comes to license plates, they have serial numbers in different places they have different serial numbering conventions because we actually wanted to. Track each and every vehicle throughout the course of the exercise. But yeah, there are both UAE and US high. Mars launchers involved in this exercise. So I think that that like let's start right there I think one of the things that allowed you. Well, this is a lot of work. So I want to say anything was easy but they announced or at least I believe they announced where the exercise was taking place until you're able to use your friends over a planet to to get an image of of the exercise location. Yeah that's right I. mean this was not secret by any means there was a an official announcement a small number of official images released through DVI DS the fence visual information distribution, service There were also some other images released in tweets at various levels, and then there was I don't know what you'd call it. The battalion made its own video, which is May. Not. Completely, official. had lots more good stuff. But yeah, do this sorry I mean like Elements of the US military like they do this and I think they've doing it more now that you can stick a like a Gopro or an iphone. I. Oh, there were some gopro shots. There was there was some Gopro. Also. Some really. Really dramatic instrumental music I listen to it in drowning you out as you're walking through this or for the podcast. Listeners I. I'm writing a book. So I am not as up today Jeffrey is this. I've always wondered if you thought that those were sort of winked at not because they make it look cooler than maybe it is. It's recruiting or it's really a no. No. My guess is that it's did not add technically supposed to not like all unhappy that this stuff gets out. I think they see it as being good for morale and yeah maybe good for recruiting. You know in the US isn't the only military that does this I mean the Chinese famously disclose all kinds of information that they shouldn't in alumni video. Because it's just you know it's important to people So you know I don't I don't want to. The battalion too hard of a time. because I know I. Know Why they did it. It's just that when you collect all this information. you know more than fifty images, three different videos There is a lot of stuff in there, and then in particular, there were a lot of embellishments in The semi-official Videos which we can talk about later but you know stuff in there that didn't really happen. And then of course, that's always interesting to me because when you embellish something, you're indicating that something's important to you men that was kind of fun. But yeah, the first step. Happily, was just downloading the image. Of all mean hot air base which I believe is adjacent to the location where the Oh, I always forget its numbers of the seventy ninth heavy rocket. The. First step is always was to get a satellite picture and of course, planet had a picture of the location on that day and you know it's pretty interesting because it's all meat hod airbase and we think that the Seventy Ninth Heavy Rocket Regiment, which is the UAE entity that handles or one of the UAE entities that handle rockets and missiles is co located with that airbase. Instead, of fact that the exercise was happening, there was pretty interesting and we really wanted to go through and Geo Locate every picture to figure out. where? Each event happened. I mean you think it's the Scud base I mean, it's if I remember correctly. Yeah I mean. I WANNA be careful how I say that because I'm pretty sure it was the Scud base. And what I don't know is whether it's still the Scud base whether there's another Scud base whether they've gotten rid of all the Scuds and have just gone over to Mars But the fact that the fact that this exercise happened this airbase, which is co located with the thing that we think used to be the Scud base and now has a name the seventy-nine heavy. Rocket Regiment. That seems type things together, and in fact, one of the things we did when we were Geo locating imagery was to try to ascertain whether it looked like the vehicles showed up. From the thing we think was the Scud base yes. Let which direction of driving in the answer is like yeah but I wouldn't you know it's like one picture and they could have driven around the block right? Right exactly. But I know for people I'm familiar with the base because I remember the This is a vintage padre. Thank you know talking about this but. anyways. To continue on you know. So then you had the official imagery. And you know So that, basically with the with the planet imagery you you were able to sort of root yourself in the day of the exercise to allow yourself to begin to g location which fleas textures to get out because the the day the picture from the day of was only three meters, which was still great because we we saw a plane show up that we it's really interesting. You'll sometimes you fused data together you learn things like. When we looked really carefully at the imagery. We could see certain aircraft. But we probably wouldn't have figured it out except for when we looked at the overhead imagery, we could see all the aircraft from above and we count them But then you start seeing those aircraft in the pictures and it helps you both Orient Yourself in the images But also helps you start drawing conclusions about like maybe how certain people got their? Right and then I. You the the other images that you look at it and I, want to call it. David's is that how you say? What's the first time? I saw it I literally read this DVD's. But They. Bay then. You're allowed you to. Sleuth out some. More information. Yeah. Well, one thing we really wanted to do was to put all the images in order. So you know you want to figure out where each image was taken. But then you want if when each image was taken and so For a lot of the pictures on flicker those have file names. And so we can go ahead and put them in order but not necessarily know when something happened, and so then we had to kind of go back once we had them roughly in order we had. Video clips we needed to kind of insert into the time line and then we had. orphan images that we needed to put into the time line and the good people at DVD s God love him right. These are the same people who threaten to bomb millennials. Remember this tweet. You'd remind me with the while was something like millennials. If you show up to area fifty one, this is the last thing you'll see and it was a bomber. Yes. I would just like to say if DVI Hired more millennials, they might learn to properly delete their Madda data. Will tried right they over wrote some of the Meta data. In the most easily assessable fields. but they left in place of their Meta data in fields that they clearly don't know about him I don't feel any obligation to point out to them. and so we were able to take the time off those pictures. In other cases like we used people's watches. I'm looking at the picture there. It's It's an Emirati guy. He's he's it's a digital watch, and if you zoom in even just with my my my my air, you can kind of make up the time right there. Yeah he is His. Name Yeah I think it's autopsy. It's looks like Sultan. hob Something Husky. Mohammed Rashid Al Hobbs E. HE is the deputy commanding general of the Emirati land forces. So we were able to take the time off his watch. There's actually two Italians who were there. contractors right yet never really figured out what the exact role of the Italians was over. That's kind of on our list of sort of puzzle out. They had very nice watches and so we were able to do that to pull times off. Other pictures, which is nice because you know you pictures coming clusters. Right, so right, you have the order in. If you you don't have to determine the time of everyone to start to start breaking it down and then you know we had to get like more clever after that. Okay. So let's talk about got more clever. Well. So the video clips are hard. Right is there is no timestamps on the video clips. and. Even though the video clips are pretty high quality, their film that a distance. So you're certainly not gonna be able to get somebody who watch off. And interestingly, the video clips show parts of the exercise. That don't have very much still photography. So, there are parts of the exercise that exist in the video clips and so to figure out when those took place. We had to estimate the time from the shadows. Yeah, and I mean I know there's an online tool called son CALC, which allows you to do some work and I see that you guys put that to work. But then you took it a lot further than I usually with my rudimentary stuff, which is not nearly as advanced what you guys are. Well someone you're measuring shadows there are two problems. One is. The nature of shadows. Which is that? They're kind of Fuzzy Amorphous. And so they're very hard to it's very hard to figure out. If, you're trying to get the angle to properly align the angle with a measuring tool. That might sound really weird if you ever try to do it, it's just it's it's blurry. It's not a sharp line. And so you're constantly. Changing the angle when you change the angle than the time changes, but then the other thing is You know when you're looking at a shadow, it's necessarily a three D. picture right because you have the sun up in the sky, there's some object that standing up in it's throwing the shadow on the ground, and so you have to do photo grandma tree to correct for the effects of perspective. Was Them. Well, like. If. You're like, I'm going to measure the angle of this shadow. That would be you could do that if you were up in space looking down right but once you're on the ground, the angle that the shadow appears in a to mental photograph is not the actual angle it is in three dimensions. Right, because photographs have perspective in them. And so. What we ended up having to do for some of the more difficult videos was literally recreate three d modeled scenes. So we have a still image of a High Mars on the tarmac and we put we built a three D. model of that High Mars put it into blender and then moved the Sun. So you could match the totality of the shadow solving both problems solving both perspective. And and the kind of amorphous nature of shadow edges, and then we're able to pull the off that and even then you know it's kind of imprecise me you know. You're good to within a half hour if you're really good at it and nobody really knows if they're very good at it, you can get down to within like five or ten minutes. I think you guys think at least on the we'll put a link to the show notes thinks that you got it somewhere between basically about two thirty in the afternoon give or take five minutes. Yeah I mean we're. We worked really hard on that one and we're pretty. Pretty confident in it Maybe, some enterprising future graduate student will come along by now. You've got it. All wrong. Some of those millennials. Yeah. Some of those, some of those Dan millennials that dw wants to bomb and I want to hire actually it's not even millennials anymore. That's also my favorite at knew anything about old people. I'm a millennial. I. Let him. millennials are Blake. My students are no. They are now the next generation so. List Hey, this millennial I guess for old people sounds better than you kids today. I'm the oldest millennial. I think it was born in eighty three. So I mean you know whatever whatever I mean. It that was that was a Adam Martin working with David Laboon and cure a Welsh to really try to improve our ability to match. Shadow. So eventually, right we had all the image is lined up. And we had sort of maybe minute by minute is. Too? Strong. But would be we had a time line with times on it that were Estimated to within a few minutes of one another. So we knew what happened and it was great because you know turns out the big gap was in the middle of the day. Probably. The hottest with totally when it's when it's expected to be the hottest I've to be careful. It's not when it was the hottest necessarily because they didn't know that when they plan the exercise. But it's when they expected it to be the hottest. Yeah. They probably broke for lunch. Yeah. Because if you right right and just bring it together, they probably went to slow food. I mean. You. I I tend to eat my lunch about twelve o'clock, which is before two thirty isn't it? I also an early lunch eater. It's because my children get me up at five am so exactly. So, either eleven thirty. I'm up at five I've had some toast by six. Thirty it sits it's been. It's been five hours. It's it's time it's time to start to put it down. Yeah and then I, and then we have the airplane landing. Yes. So it turns out once we got everything in order That process. Once you Jill locate everything and you put everything in order. you're left with things that aren't real. Or things that don't fit. I was wondering you know like because when you fly into these really hot places, there's because they are density how hot it gets during the day is maybe the time is because it was just simply too hot at that time to fly these plans. Well. I don't know We actually think they may have flown during the break, but it's a pretty long break. So they could've they could've flown it We don't see anything between eleven thirty am. And two, twenty, seven, pm. Because you're looking at a different data source, we want to talk about that now. We'll wait. Which story you're meeting I'm just saying the flight tracker data. Oh. Yeah. We'll come to that but I mean we don't have a track of the plane unfortunately I'm just saying they took a three hour break between eleven thirty and twenty seven. Some of that may have been. Just. It's too hot to be outside. We're GONNA eat lunch. Some of that may have been flying around a little bit. Don't okay fair enough. But yeah. So one thing we noticed is that. In. There are some images that. Are Consistent. With an aircraft that we think was there. But then there are other images that don't don't look consistent. So one thing is there are images of it. Of Aircrafts taking off and landing on on a dirt runway. With with with then Secretary of defense. Mattis. Sangyo, this thing can land on a dirt runway. This is at an airbase. It's not a direct way. Right and in some of the videos are actually mountains in the background, which this is the UAE. There are no mountains. I maybe someone's GonNa complain that there's some hill someplace that I'm not thinking of, but it's not about and you see in the background it's Dubai been there. It's flat. It don't look like this. And so we went we pulled the Numbers off the tails and noses. And ran them through ESPN exchange which does to tracking of military aircraft. That's that's a fun case study that I want to do for the future that maybe we can just tease. Secretary of Defense in recent. Months in the past year has said things that are demonstrably false when you look at a DSP exchange data, but we'll come back to that with a different pod. We were able to figure out that we identified which plane was there and we didn't. We didn't have a track of it in region, but we could track it going in and out. But the other planes you know because there were multiple planes with different tail numbers and knows numbers the other two planes We were able to identify them as being at other places on the day of the exercise because they were flying over places where people could either squawks. So, we were able to pretty much figure out that the most of the plane footage. especially, the runway stuff was added by the battalion to make a to embellish to make a point. So I think that when the? The well. Okay. The first thing I would say is that in the little right up I did, which is pretty pedestrian, right? It was just designed introduce the interactive. There's a specific quote about the usage of the series of exercises of which diamond tempest was just one. there's a quote about using the for messaging. and that's why they you know they. They didn't this didn't leak out they release these images they announced this exercise. They were really trying to carefully send a message, but there are also avoiding naming anyone you know so they were trying to sort of. Skate this fine line. What was interesting about the dirt runway bit is I think it makes explicit. Something that was probably known to the battalion but that they chose not to put in the messaging, which is I think this is this is a threat to who these. because. There are not many paved airstrips left in Yemen. And the UAE has overland moved. Higher. Systems and has been using them in fighting who face. And so my guess is that the implicit scenario that they were. Doing right I see what you're saying was. You know where we're in the middle, east would the US in the U A E, be jointly deploying. Items. Off Cargo planes on dirt runways, right? Right. Right. Right. Interesting. You could guess it's Yemen but they they. The battalion embellished right they. They took that detail which was left out of the official announcements and they really hammered it home in their own. in their own in their own material so that you could tell the at least to me that was at the forefront of their mind. By the way, just totally a total distraction from all of this. Of all the things I love about this case study more than anything else because there's a picture of two soldiers a man and a woman standing next to one another next to a high Mars. And he is about two feet taller than she is. And it's it's it is now the picture I used to illustrate. Why we don't use human rights. To estimate the size of thing. Unless you have like four or five people, you could average them like he is like. Two heads taller than she is. Yes. So he's a tall dude or if she's really really I think she is short and he is tall and watching looking at them standing next together was just really funny right The these two things are not the same species like well, yes they are. Actually it's it's a little bit like when when like our dachshund is like standing next like I, you know I don't know like a golden retrievers. So, hard to believe. Anyway. And the other thing now is this he goes we got the they drove off. I mean the other thing I was thinking with with the With dirt runway is it could be a signal. I know you said the WHO theism also meant Iran wrapped up in that but you know like we don't necessarily operate from an airbase. Radio where the Iranians could be a target. European. Yeah. In the article, I identify the season their Iranian backers. But yeah, I think it's I. Think Iran is definitely the intended recipient of this message right? Them and it's just that the scenario if this scenario is one that I think fits Yemen well in a way that they weren't willing to say right but imbalance maybe I'm wrong the Middle East expert no sense to me I do think that that that the scenario is basically in a degraded environment can we land new things somewhere and still go? In Yemen fits that yeah. I mean Yemen makes perfect sense. I. Just going down the here because you guys didn't just leave it at all of that stuff which you could have, but then you wanted to measure. there is some test footage in the This is just this is just us being. This is just showing off. It is but I it's still interesting to that yet. So the The. Steve. And official videos don't say that there's a launch. They also don't say that there isn't a launch If you sort of read between the lines, you know that there probably wasn't. The battalion video has launched footage in it. And that was really. To us because you know, one thing we do is we try to Geo locate where they do test launches and that's at a different place. And There was just some stuff about the video that didn't seem right and so we when we really look at it closely, we could see. The things that they're loading the the launch pods on the High Mars are all marked training pot? Which means they don't really have missiles in them. Rockets I guess I should say Missiles And so we were really skeptical about that. But then we went ahead and we because we could identify the type of missile being launched the type of artillery rocket we knew it's mass. We went ahead and looked at its acceleration to confirm what was being fired in the angle. It was being fired at and Geo location showed us the direction it was being fired at, and if they had actually fired rockets from the locations that they were sat up to a, it would have impacted near populated place, which is, of course why they launched from other places. Yeah and so it was pretty clear to us that they weren't. You know. But those guys wanted their own personal video to look. Cool. Cool. A better ending you know it's not a great ending. If you just point the point to launch up at the sky and then you know flip the who these the bird. Literal and figurative I also, I think the big takeaway here is. If, you're really willing to put in the work. People leaving in a lot of clues. That you could obviously track down and I mean maybe it takes the sting out of potential propaganda little bit hesitate to use propaganda because you know I do think that the people who film this at the battalion level we're just maybe having a good time on the long on a long flight back. On a lake. Having a good time. But you know what? I'm saying oh I do I do I I use propaganda in the article and I went back and forth over it because there is a. There is the. The way we react to the word propaganda. is maybe a bit different than Then, it's its. Initial meaning I've always seen propaganda as a kind of value neutral term everyone engages in propaganda. You're propagating your views, but I know what you mean and so we were at pains to say that there are. Of basically true account and that they're hardly scandalous but they are interesting because they. They draw out. The things that interest the people. who made the videos right? Like if they say, Oh, we wish we had done this or we wish had had this piece or we we wish it had shown this the net that tells you that they value it. Right in anytime, you're doing any kind of textual work. It's not just propaganda analysis, just any kind of textual analysis. Knowing the choices that that an author is making. Is Is I think really important sort of getting at the underlying meaning underlying meaning, and then you the other thing is which I you know I don't WanNa make too much of a big deal over but. We're still really interested in weather. The thing sitting next to me hot air base is a heavy rocket. Unit. And this video gives us a name. It gives us some circumstantial evidence that yes these people were from that place and it gives us the name of the commander of the unit who is not mentioned in any of the materials, but you can read his name and his rank off his uniform. I guess it's implied that he's the commander of the Unit but just by looking at the insignia on his uniform and whatnot, and you well says there and so you know the UAE is pretty opaque about It's rocket artillery and missile forces, and so this is a this is one of the few glimpses we get into its organization structure and personalities, and you know like like a lot of what we do, these are a couple of little details that we were able to glean, and we'll put those details although they're gonna sit on a Google drive someplace maybe we'll get another detail next year. And you know pretty soon, we'll piece them together and You know we'll be we'll be sending guys pizza. The last thing to bring up though is. People keep doing this and people would say you you guys were at the forefront of this people are doing this. You know I wouldn't say as as well as you are now. I mean truthfully. When do they stop doing the videos? Do I mean do you stop allowing people to do the Gopro said put a business? Well I think they should stop. The. You because I just Wanna I just Wanna I just WANNA creep on there. Just WANNA creep on their deployments I don't know I don't want anybody but but not everybody. So Nights. Researcher Sunny California. Some of them are places. Yeah. and. We certainly have done this to the Russians and the Chinese. And the Russians have really tried to clamp down on that stuff. They have so I think the answer is now people stop doing it. But at the same time, you know it's it's not as easy because. What's You know what's changed is it's not like soldier suddenly got real stupid. It's that technology changed and so it enables. Someone to make mistakes that they couldn't have made fifty years ago like fifty years ago. Like maybe you're lugging a camera around Vietnam. But even if you were, you still get the film developed and then you know. It there's not like there's any Meta data and the pictures and you gotta give the pictures to someone and they're not gonNA have any idea of providence and you know think about how much work that is. So we're talking about a handful of images. If you're really lucky you know whereas today it's like everybody's carrying around a camera in their pocket and all that information can be put online instantly shared and it comes all kinds of data and so like even if they really cracked down on it, I think you're still going to see really significant disclosures Kaz just information you know yearns to be free. There's a metaphor. We can make a better on current predicament in the US but I'm not gonna say at the moment. About the rapid sharing videos and uncovering sort of some ugly truths. Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole other conversation to have. Which I myself having a lot here about. Why Why things feel so much more intense and I think it's because. It used to be that you could pretend things weren't happening or didn't exist. because. You know reasonable people could disagree because there wasn't enough information to disagree. Right. Now there is enough information that when you still disagree you realize the other person than asshole. Or. Has Their name and rank across the front of their uniform. Along with a nice easy read watch. Exactly. So Era where people are going to information out and maybe not in this scale I mean this was a pretty big collection of data. But we picked it because it was big data we wanted to show off all the tools that. We were currently using which you know frankly. Quite fun. It is fun fun to chat. Is there anything else we didn't hit that we should we should. We should. We should hit on before doing the sign off here. Now I I was I was delighted. To share this, we've been working on this for more than a year. And it got. became a little bit of an obsession. The more we dug the more we found you know maybe it's not the most interesting military exercise but the amount that we could surface it was a really good. It was a really good hidden. Training Ron formity some harder problems might encounter in the future. I can think of a lot of stuff you could. You could throw at this bigger exercises and maybe from an adversary to. But maybe we'll. We'll. We'll leave that for another podcast though if you podcast, you enjoyed this type of open source. I Guess Bonanza I mean, this is an open source bonanza. There's a lot that goes on our slack channel. would. You can get access to by hitting on heading over to Patriot. Slash as podcast whether there's a lot of fun stuff that goes on there and some of that open source stuff ends up in top publications like The Washington Post even if you're not a podcast on the show. That's Patriot dot com slash AC Debbie podcast three dollars if you're a student five dollars your normal burbs. Jeffery has always good the. Great to talk to you.

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Sean Jordan, Doug Mellard and Clarke Wolfe guest

Doug Loves Movies

58:13 min | 1 year ago

Sean Jordan, Doug Mellard and Clarke Wolfe guest

"The. Ways! You all. Do! Hey everybody. My name is Doug at I love. Musicals, but you knew that this is Douglas Movies Covid to you once again from the worst of it at Sunday Jude, seven, twenty twenty by guests today are Shar Jordan, Doug. Millard and Clark Wolf. Hello Yo la. Hey? Generic. Fun I'm excited I missiles slows. Let's meet them individually and also. Basically. That's how we roll around here. We make delayed. Go last if their last name is wolf. I live. But at least I have multiple I. Think Wolf is probably the most common last name of guests come on on my shows a interestingly enough, but I don't. George Right now, Sean Jordan. What's crack in? Voting it in from the Pacific. Northwest's Yeah I'm up here in Rip City Baby. It is raining and it's cloudy and You know what you think of when you think Portland. Alright so we know exactly what it's like there bad xactly, what's happening? It's Corey. I've been doing a Shitload of yard work. Your boy is I've been a busy body since I've been in quarantine I've turned into quite the busy body so. Lot of looking out the windows and stuff. Yeah, a lot of contemplation checking people's yards have an have opinions on the neighbors yards now which is odd. Yeah it's it's it's you know it's as good as it can be I guess I've been skateboard and a whole bunch it sick. I do. Appreciate the fact that everyday shutting down gives you time for skateboarding 'cause. You, says such trouble. Fitting it into your schedule. A. Busy boy, you know! Yeah, doing a podcast once a week. It's tough man. Where must find time to escape which we make smoothies and stuff? Yeah, or we should mention I'll fantasy. Everything is the podcast. You speaking of. Your Boys Carmel is a crazy person on that On, TV show game on. Dude, it's awesome. I was at the one that came out last week I. was there just to watch the filming? It's really fun is great on and I tried to separate myself like other than the that he's like. My brother is very good on the show on thrilled, I'm happy for him. ACIS of Hilarious loud mouth. WHO doesn't mind having thrown at it? That's that's exactly exactly what he is. Anyone's ever said a better. He's hilariously now. He's like he's like. Challenges very screaming at people like he's going to be the best at it. It's like something dope. Persons ever tried before. He was a bowling ball. The one that I saw and he was talking. Shit about. Anything, it's like yeah. Like he's like. Yeah, we're going to be a bowling ball again. I'm rolling Bowman I'm the best ball there is Yep. It's a I'm stoked that he is a world. Well Ed. My world is another Doug and. I put up with Doug. Stanhope for all these years. Doug Miller came along. So, I had to become friends with him as well. How's it going? Great I'm fantastic you're in the. South West the where like New Mexico area. That's correct and. Your New Mexico. Santa Fe yeah. Yeah CH-. Good. He's just kicking it with his lady and his dog in a house. Sean Wow I don't think I've ever talked to anyone while they're in Santa Fe. Oh Man, it's not bad here. There's low cases in slight update from I think the last time I was on I had some of your fans. Doug like reach out about My tooth bid was bad on the last episode that I was. I got it fixed. I was nervous. I didn't want to get it fixed. During the you know what's going on. And I got fixed and I, also got some acid from the same person. WHOA I really like Santa Fe. Put that on the Santa Fe Postcard Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool here. That's crazy. Where'd you get the Ice Skate to fix your? Warranty. I, like it. I like a good castaway joke. especially like it, a like a good castaway joke wave I absolutely needed the next day. Wait what. FEDEX FEDEX Miller said. You know at at conventions for Fed. Ex employees they just they watch castaway bay play a drinking game. They drink every time he water. Also speaking of water. Enjoys it more than on you and I know. Clerk will zero. Hey, Clark, Hey Doug. How are you good? Thank you for coming back to this show. You're becoming one of the most popular guests on the program. For. That's nice to hear. Thank you so much for having me. It's true people people love to hear from fear. You know have a lot of guests that you know people complain about after they appear on the show, but no one ever could play. It's about Clark Wall. Your guests are the only ones then. Your audience rather so thank you audience. I appreciate the confidence this. Way of looking. Just. Doug Shaw. There's some things by fans and told me. Yeah. I had. The first time that anyone ever like really bummed me out was after I'd episode of Douglas Movies in somebody called me like like a woke hipster. I Dunno something you would say about a kid who lived in Portland and I. Remember walking around like all those fun. Someone said one time not after Doug loves movies, but another movie talk show I was on that. I was like the Gye Courtney of movie talk. I've never forgotten that because it made me who asked. Courtney's his life that guy. That's in that movie fighting, isn't he? He's in lots of things and keeps getting a lot of chances. He might be lovely, but I don't think audiences have connected with him. Is gnarly well. You know recently watching that Popular Gye Courtney vehicle. And then she left the date. I don't know what happened, said half of my inboxes. People just sing need to be more like clerk wolf. Guys are the best. Guess what were already at the part of the show. Where I say. I'm excited. Can I tell you guys? I'm excited I, Miss. This so much, so just wanted to say. I'll say a bunch more. Game play with with. All this stuff in. TV personalities to stuff that we do you know we used to actually hang out? Do this so I just miss it. And I can't wait to again. We're doing it right now. Buddy Gary, we are playboy. Yeah, it's just we're doing it over not looking at each other in the eye. I taped up pictures of all of you on the wall and I didn't know who is going to be on site. I taped up a picture of every guest ever. Yeah so I'm having a good time. Can you imagine what that I know what? What what that number would be because? There's been over twelve hundred episodes. How many guests how many guests do you think you've had you think? What do you think you've? Well that's why I think it's probably in the like three to four thousand rage. Go. Just depends on how I just don't. Have the numbers. Add Up in terms of repeat guests, because many again by a comeback, but I've also had. Hundreds of people probably have only been on the one time or one or two times, so somebody somewhere is probably compiling some sort of a database or so take with all that information, but it's credit. On Shaun's wall, just count them you have to. I don't know why you asked me you. I am just out here playing games, you know. I didn't want to give the answer away right away. At Stair, that's. I decided on. My Douglas Movies accounts on twitter. That I started recently so that the show had its own account I decided to only follow people on that account that that have been guests since I started the account, but I'm already following like forty or fifty people and it's only. A few buds. Yeah. okay. This game is brand new. The Tony Awards were supposed to happen tonight, but they're not damn. On. Of course I mean they didn't even have a Tony. Season this year like the everything that would be nominated. Winning awards. Night would be shows that were playing over the last During the. Like shows were all about to open in April everything just. Got Shut Down So. This is a new game. It's called Tony Tony Tony. And all three are spelled exactly the same way. This is a game where luck and knowledge of Broadway. Musicals turned into movies. Go Hand in hand while remaining six feet apart. We'll start with you. Shaw Georgia. We call me Gye Courtney Staff. That's my name. Is, trying to throw curveballs. Sean at I'll ask you a question. If you get the answer, correct you get point. If you miss it or don't even have a gas I wi will give. Doug. Multiple choice options. For that question if he gets it right between the two choices, he gets point it'd be misses. It Clark gets the lucky point. Okay, it moves on from there so everybody. Has a chance to get those lucky points. candidate still know where they're gonNA land. It may ready ready ready for Tony. Tony Tony Born on a green light playboy. Let's fuck in. Let's raise the curtain in light the lights. This Jordan. Who plays the Baker in the movie version of the Broadway musical into the woods. You know Nathan Lane. I love your confidence. I love that you chose a person for world of musical theater I try. To perfect sense good, no, that is incorrect. I knew that though we turn to Doug Millard and you've got a choice. Do you think you know who it is without even having choice? Oh no way. Okay! It's a talk. Show host is James Corden or Stephen Colbert. Let's go Stephen Co bear. No. Correct. Ono is right. Clark gets the Lucky Boy Clark. Did you know the answer? I did actually know the answer, yes. Yes she seated need to look reports. She got it. She got it anyway. Thank you, SEAN! This is the first person to two points, so it's you got. You got to an low. It doesn't skip it, okay? aren't yeah. That's how that went. Is Right. What movie musicals Sean based on a Broadway show. featured. Queen Latifah as motormouth may bill. God It, do you know Clark? Don't as Does get help if she knows her. She doesn't use Doug between you and her. Never, give an inch about Doug I'm kidding. I give. I! Give I'm going to man rent. I wish there was a character name motormouth and There's a little heavy to call someone motormouth I guess a movie. Yeah, alright, so doug. You get to choose between two options. You feel like you have any idea. not real. I'm not great musicals, but okay. Get Outta town. He did he went to Santa Fe is. Motormouth me bill is that a character is Chicago or hairspray? Oh come on. Yet, The answers. Not sure stood cargo or hairspray motormouth. May Bill. Queen Latifah hairs break. Clerks response 'cause you said. Got, it wrong by external move for me. You nailed it this time she's in. She's in Chicago. She plays a Bob Morton in Chicago. And then she's also in an spray is motormouth may bill now. That means that Doug has worn boy. Clark has one point and Clark gets to go first of snacks. I. Okay, you're ready. Yes, over the course of the film dreamgirls. How many dream girls are there? Oh Wow. Wow! I'm going to. You, are you talking about like? If, they get called the dreams. And then there's a lineup changes occur. I'm going to say. I'm going to say four 'cause they're a trio. O! I know that sound okay considered. That sounded ridiculous what I just said. If one person leaves and gets replaced I, it might be I might be five though I don't know, let's say. Okay, final answer is five. Got Is incorrect. Let me. Get those options. Yes, Sean, the choices are. This is unfortunate. Kind of makes it a lucky point for you. The choices are four or five. Why appreciate that so much? I'm going to say for just as. Darn We got mad to the talk. Imagine if Shangaans got naugatuck. Yeah matching if I did doug. Lava switching it up. He couldn't. It. Was So funny? Would you were debating it because you said four, then you? Changed it survive i. I even said Oh. No, after four, indicating, although that means, you got it right. Gone with me, get. Tangled web we weave. Indeed. All Right? We got a three way tie here. That means BUT SEAN IS I. I wanted to go I got the answer. This is the one that's GONNA determine everything. name they actress in the movie West Side Story. WHO DID NOT? Do her own singing. It's not a her singing voice in west side story. Well I think you forgetting specific, but I couldn't name you. One person who did their own singing west side story so It was was the girl who played Maria. That's the closest I got. That will not qualify. I mean it's an answer. Won't qualifies the right one correct exactly. We move onto Doug Miller. are going to. Be Able to name from two people. WHO SAYS I mean I hope so, but I e ready. Yeah. Was it, Natalie, wood or Rita Moreno. Narrowly would. Dot is correct. Midst get job could dumb luck by quiz at the girl who played Maria you didn't say? Yet Natalie. Rea-. She didn't do her own singing. And Also didn't do her own Puerto Rican ing, she has. Whiten! Is Very White Puerto, Rican. Actor and Rita Moreno Won The Oscar for that movie and also is. An Ego. Every game of thrones. Yep She's got all the game of thrones. All right. So that means that ask Doug won that game. He gets very special advantage in our final deciding game today. That is going to come up right after these messages will be right back. We're back. Always explain last right business. Lemus painless. If you're just joining us. That would be weird because pretty much have to listen from the beginning, but I'm here with. Sean Jordan, Clark Walls, and the winner of the previous Game Ballard. WHO now gets the? If you've been listening to this show lately, you know how this works. We're GONNA play last person standing. Errand Darb standing. I can't decide which word to say and Doug gets to decide, not only. Does he get to go first? He gets to decide which actor or actress. We're all. Yes, me as well. We're all going to take turns naming movies that that person was in, and if you can't think of one year out, it's GonNa. Go Doug. Than Clark Than Sean that. Order. Doug these thought of an actor or actress, who you thank or give you? Very, special advantage today. Absolutely not but. I. WHO Go! Paul Newman. You. You're not saying Gye Courtney. Oh. What are you sitting in a cigar bar right now? I did not give my company advantage by the way. What what? Yeah, I don't know who you know, I. Don't know where you're from originally. Doug but where I'm from San Diego. We try to win when we play games. They do the same thing and Super Bowl South Dakota. Doug. I don't know where you're from, but. Robert Redford in there to. Cures just you both. What made you pick? That Doug I just love Paul Newman. I don't know that you do. I do well okay. You love okay all right. I get rainy move is that he actually didn't love. Because that was what most people knew him for he aided at. It really like. Really, back? Weird. Paul Newman. Come on, man, Idea Robert. Redford here in Santa Fe randomly. And he was like this just now during this. Just, just walked by is Robert. The ACID Those Robert Redford. Are we just talking to a saddle? Are! So stupid, but he he definitely. Spend too much time in the sun. Yeah. He's a withering gentleman. Yup! Newman was handsomer as old guidance and REDFORD's turning out to be, but you know they're both amazing actors over not here we get get Redford out of your head. Sorry I brought him up again. That's never that's never worked at people. Tell me that every day. It's never take kid. You just can't get water effort out of your head. Yeah, he's in there. He's got a prime real estate. He's writing their whispering hail hydro. Russo Start us off the stay many movie that Scuds Mr Paul Newman. Who? Doesn't count, don't. And Salad dressing, could. Going loop. and. Classic Ranch! Much Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. I told you to get read for your head. and. That's what you do. That's what I did. Let him go. Yeah, why would you he's? He's pro Richard Screen. My turn. Yeah, you already Outta titles the. Hustle. I like what you're doing there so much that I know. The color of money. Back to you, Doug back to back Doug's. Jaman. Truck you. That's. You know shot knows about things with skates. dammit. Clark. was He in the sting. Why wouldn't they be? Why wouldn't he be I mean he wasn't yeah, so the sting is my answer. It was his. It was his re teaming with. Robert Redford. I just. I couldn't stop thinking about Robert Wright Center. And I think I don't people disassociate them always together, but it's just those two movies right. I believe the only two, but I don't think you understand how this game works. You don't want to. Give anybody any extra hands you do. If you were to give somebody extra him on, what would they be? I would say don't. I'd say slowdown player. Obey all the traffic signs. DAMMIT I can't I don't know like I. Don't know what. What was you know what Paul Newman's passion was when he was alive besides salad dressing? No You don't I, don't. You don't picture him wearing a certain out. Fail and he's not in a movie Mariana Fistfight. Cowboy. No, I, don't. this is going to come. I Guess Poor Sean Shawn Jordan. demands fed a lot of time in his life in and around cars. There's the idea of him in a fistfight with another like like he did like a Nascar race or something. and He'd beat up a guy when he was like sixty eight or something. That! Yeah seems like A. Seems like one of those guys. He End David. Letterman became a pretty close. Towards the end of Paul Newman's life, because they are also so into car racing gotTA. Bet You those who saw the bottom of a bottle a couple of times. That would be a fun little conversation. And of course he is voice. Problem is the voice of Scrooge mcduck in in cars. That's not his name in the movie. I'd done what he got. Road to perdition. We have done their. Own Line Blind, great. My head hangs on the brain and that's I knew that's what I was trying to make up shits. Renewed dish. Good on you don't Sean you don't have expressed disappointment every time one of still. I don't have to do a lot of things, but I'm GONNA. Keep doing 'em, okay. Clark! Cars to. High. My turn cars three. Harper gave movies at an iconic. I love that movie. Arthur You know he's a detective. He can get the be comedic either all over the place to get play a lot of different roles within the one characters so good. I can see why you love it sure. Clark. I refer to you. Move I'm out friends I. Read I read Redford head Foam men. With that. on its red. Okay so I have to play strategically here then. 'cause, it's just me and doug the doug off. Yeah. So Try to pick movies. You wouldn't think tank of. Like how out? Nobody's fool. damn. That's a good one. Is it. I mean it was a good I wouldn't have had that in at well. I don't know good. Yeah I'll go with there is harper to. It's called the drowning pool in. SNEAKY SON OF A. Nodded good. Wasn't. It wasn't going to be a day unless somebody called someone else's sneaky son of a bitch. Don. Browning pool very nice, very nice. That's GonNa Force Mehta's say something like. You know We're not sure loose going to win here today. We, we will know for absolutely sure until we hear. The verdict. Sounds like a movie he'd be in. Oh. Yeah should won the Oscar for it. He he ended up winning for. color money the following year shortly thereafter. A wanted lifetime achievement award for they gave him. The award for specific movie I think. Oscar for the color money. Yeah really where I did not know that. WHO's in that with them? Is it Brando? Cruise L. Yeah. Same thing. Though the original Hustler. Was Young his going. He Played Fast Eddie in the. Minnesota fats was Jackie Greece technically. And then color of money was. He's all Downey's training. A new young buck played by Tom Cruise. was trying to think of that one, but I kept coming up with Matthew Broderick for I dunno, it was. Matthew Broderick in the freshman were Barlett Brando Day. All right with all newman in the natural. With Robert Though, but Maybe. Dance! Design a final answer. Oh No! You're just making conversation raper cat on a hot tin roof. Is that what it's called? Ray Paul Bats. I should've gotten that one good job. He should have never heard what. That was a good one cat on a hot tin roof. That sounds like a cartoon, not a cartoon. It plays a voice of Scrooge mcduck again. Call Newman tight mustache in most of these movies I imagine. Tight. Perfectly placed in Groomed Moustache That should be like a thing on game shows is just while the contestants trying to think of the answers Sean stands uses about. Like Patch. over here. Here's one on. You're gonNA love this title. Like cat on a hot. I did. Sometimes a great notion. Yeah movie titles with about logging. Oh Yeah of course I. Left all logging movies. I don't know if I have another one I i. Can I can picture. Ranching cowboy movie and I can't take the title, and I'm stuck on it, so I'm gonNA I Kars Four. Is there a cards for now plus? Couch. Do. You know the ranching like the cowboy movie I'm thinking of. I. Feel like that's probably something. He did a few. Narrow down. I definitely know that he's got some more like race car movies we haven't touched on. And he was in a merchant ivory. Movie I. I think I. Remember the title of. Maybe, Diplomacy Hunky doesn't sound like he was in a ton of Bangers, like most of these like movies he was in what was the end for like? Banging s movies. Gwen Louis, wait wakes you're save cutting. As, will movies well yeah I mean you look at someone like Tom Hanks and they have like. Ten movies that were like insane, or and it's just Paul, Newman. So famous and so revered, but I don't. I'M NOT GONNA. Turn yet, Butch Cassidy, and the Sundance kid and the sting each played in motion picture theaters for over a year round. Barbara for the. Stars on the planet. I'm. Louise those movies are two huge movies. I'll tell you this for free. Watched much cassidy about a year ago, not in Lincoln all much. Oh, yes, it's challenging. It was boring and it's so long. Script is so I love the dialogue though like William Man. His great still. Great. Yeah, it is, it just may be. The wrong. It was like a Sunday afternoon in center. Maybe that's not undo it. It's it's hard. It's hard. If you didn't grow up, I would argue. I think it's slow. If you don't grow up on it, and I didn't grow up on it either so i. don't I, don't love it, but I get I. Get it if that makes sense like guy. Everybody's so magical to look at Kathryn, Ross and road the way Shod, and the dialogue assists nappy, but it's low. Okay. They stop in the middle of Western to have a man and woman riding around on A. Boy they sure do. Actually. Russ rate. It's astonishing. When we were I, didn't I had never seen it up to those the first time I've ever seen it and I didn't know anything about it. I don't maybe either one of US and Yeah I was shocked at that scene. Like what in the? Student in there. They just fourteen. That song I think that's all it was. That montage of them, actually doing all the crime stuff with or actually like doing all the cool western stuff with Kathryn Ross. They're you know they just tell you about it. You see pictures. Like that scene, I'm sorry. That stood out to me when I watched. It last was like what the hell do you just skipped over all the? Wild. I really stirred up Paul Newman debate. It really. Bringing, tooth. Those two guys, those guys were the Thelma and Louise of their time. Yeah. Baby also died needlessly at the hands of law enforcement at the end of matching. Harvey Towel tried to talk both of them out of doing it, but. Little known fact, every tells totally and Butch Cassidy and large I didn't remember that well and Dennis. Hopper is in a cool hand. Luke, very young Dennis Hopper epic because I roll also Harvey Guy. Tell us not in I was. Klein and sinker! You'll so and so that. Cooler. That's the thing about About this format is that the next person who starts talking is the person who gets to talk next starting making before. Plenty way to sit. But. Doug is our winner today, so take that everybody. It's not named Doug. Ask worked there w you picks Paul Newman and even though you were a little wobbly on it, you still banished to pull off the win. Very exciting Mr and Mrs Bridge Just Audit, it is the name of the. Hoity toity. Merchant Ivory Movie Did you know the people who did You know a room with a view and stuff like that. Pan! Paul Newman one of them. all right so. You know there's no prizes to speak up. There's no prize bag to to give to anybody. There's just that sense of pride that dogs can be walking around with. It's GonNa. Drive his everybody in his household crazy. Prize getting to hang out with your friends and talk I feel like yeah, it's true. We all win just by showing up, but since we're in this crazy time where you know obviously protesting very important. Were still a lot of people are still staying at home like what? Do you guys have any suggestions of what people can watch right now. The could either be. You know extra fulfilling or something. That's more like escapist fare like something to watch, so you don't have to think about things that are going on right now. What's up? What are you guys watching? TV I know this is Doug loves movies and not TV, but I have really enjoyed what we do in the shadows book, Yes. Started movie based. I'll give you that okay but you know it's that is definitely escapist entertainment, not necessarily meaningful. However, that has been really fun for me to just kind of put on and genuine kind of just like zone out I also watched I really watched you. Could I ask you a question about that? Yeah? People are saying that what we do in the shadows that the first season, of the TV version was good, but that the second season takes it up is is next level good. Is that true? To me since I watched them all together, they feel like one. They feel cohesive to me. But I definitely do think that the cast and because Jemaine Taika write and direct a lot of the episodes, and I do think that they find their groove about halfway or towards the end of the first season, and so now that they have that all down I, do think the comedy works, and also they're playing with genre a lot more, so it's vampires, but. But which is and ghosts, and all these fun things so and trolls and I I liked that so I just think I. Don't think it stands out like you know the first season of the officer. The first season of parks and REC are kind of hard, but then it gets into it i. feel like it, but it does they. They do gel for sure. Excellent. Yeah That the plays Laslo I forget his name, but he's been very popular British actor longtime. He is so so funny, yeah! That shows great venues Mary escapist. Get your mind off things. It's very. Very, very very funny is Robert. REDFORD IN! The Salad Dressing is oh. That's Paul Newman. These people. Straight. Ideas. you know it's just a shame that you know. All of Robert Redford Sundance. Clubs closed down. By. What? For to watch well I've done a very different route and. To escape, I've just been watching the dumbest shed possible. Too Hot to handle I for some reason, actually texted doug the other night that I was watching Dick Tracy for the first time since. The theaters. and. Fun Little Escape. A lot of colors going on a lot of people in it William. Foresight Al Pacino Dustin Hoffman. Madonna! and. Then we watched twin last night we got. watched. Tortoise say a movie that you want recommending them. Let's talk about it over von to. Ask. Dick, tracy bizarre then same recommending, Dick Tracy, what do I would i? Maybe I shouldn't recommend Dick Tracy but. I've just gone to a point of I. Just want to watch something really stupid so I. Don't have to think about anything. And that's Dick. Tracy is the answer. To. Kazan movie I. You know that's one of those movies that I think. You know you really want to like it. In in you know and they do go to so much trouble to make all the colors so so much like a comic book, but then they also proved that sometimes. Slapping something up there and making it look exactly like it did in the comic isn't necessarily. Going to be you know inspiring to anybody, you know I haven't seen that movie in a long time, but I just remember like at one point feeling like Al Pacino's makeup was falling off. Him. has just. Hell, yeah it's just I. Don't know I I could maybe revisit that again, but you texted me that the other night. I had to go to the hospital because I had a A. Massive I roll. This guy! I sat up in bed so I. I just sat up in my best is real, but so far back of my head I made central face that I. Ask. Mr Benson. We hate to tell you, but you're gonNA. Look annoyed so the rest of your life now. Resting looking at Doug Millard face. Case, so, Sean? What did you have anything? To recommend. Got Two things, I watched movie called scary stories to tell in the dark the other night. It was very fun, yes, agreed. The right amount of like the horror isn't a horror, but it's fun scary stuff you know like in its teenage stuff. It's lighthearted, but it's still kind of a horror movie in. It's kind of scary. It's got some jumpers. Some some weird goals and stuff so very fun. like put some popcorn I've been making movies like a ritual. 'cause I, Miss Going to the movie theater so much so like making popcorn in like having the lights. You know just so. It's very fun for that. Shut off all the lights now. Watch that one also eighty episodes integrates anatomy. But that's not something I reckon. Why would you do that to yourself and to us? I like soap operas. I love him and I love medical shows scrubs as my favorite show of all time, so I just figured why not take this time to dive into grey's anatomy? I'm not bummed about I love it. I just wouldn't recommend it. Yeah. How many episodes are there total? Three hundred forty two I think I will watch all of them you are. Private practice I found out private practices been off. I can't not watch that so. There, we go. Oh my God I mean. Many people aren't accomplishing anything during this in your. I have their skateboarding in staying up today with what's going on with Meredith Grey dude a lot I'll tell you what's going on with her. Is Sex all they do in that? Hospitals bone each other all. That's it and then there's a bar they go to every night and get shit based, and they're supposed to be like the best elite most elite surgeon, the country cloud all the time. You're handshake I. Just you know it's not realistic, but it's fun. I'll tell you that. I've sad to say that might be realistic. Lot of surgeons might be getting hammered every night. It might be my knee. My knee feels like it was done by Dr Giggles. It's like clicked ever since I got knee surgery like twenty years ago. All right, so, Sean. You're telling me that if I watched this movie. What's it called again? Argue afraid of the scary pitch blackness I said. Are you afraid of this Gary? Yeah Yeah, the answer's Yes. which Gary scare you. sinise. Dark Are Scary stories to tell him the dark scary stories until it are okay, it's Allen and and like just the right amount of funds scary. It's, but it's a PG thirteen though, right? I think so Clark izzy dance. Yeah, it's PG thirteen. I heard. Like. It's kind of like cat. Cy In get. It tells like it has a through line, and then it shoots off and tells a cup like three different stories in the through and kind of. See I I remember hearing about this kind of anthology style. Yeah, it's very funny. Yeah I just didn't Just to hear enough about it to get me excited, but but Clark Lakes it. Yeah, it's the same director who did I WANNA say Andre Agassi he did. troll hunter and the autopsy of though. and Gear Mo del Toro produced the adaptation when this is more my generation, these really scary, a short story books for kids that have these horrifying drawings that scarred all of us, and they were in our public library, so our school libraries. And so it's really cool is at they actually so these books Nineties went back. And actually had them redraw the arts, so it was less scary and that was like such a drag, so what the movie did was actually model. The creatures off of Stephen Gambles reg original art from these books like in the eighties early nineties, and so the creature design is like super cool. I like scary thing. I. Think it was Gemmell del Toro's the. Name that the. Like Should normally make me excited, but in this case it kind of pushed me off of it a bit a bit just because he tends to lean towards the. Kind of things that are gross. And, that's not. That's not my. You know especially pg thirteen I just I just worry that. Most of the scares are just GonNa. Come from things that are slimy rather than you know genuine threat. It's it's creepy. There's there's some crazy stuff. No parents, kissing or anything nothing real gross in there. To like there's. Very much looked to it to replicate the dynamic of these kids so I and I think they're all great, so that's kind of fun. Question. For everybody, my fiance loves thriller Horror Movies and is there like a good one that maybe I'm sleeping on like maybe kind of in the same vein as scary stories tell the dark like anything that I could. We could, while I could definitely recommend if you haven't seen it my favorite. PG Thirteen horror movie. 'cause it still manages to deliver. Being, you know bloody his. Drag me to hell that is in my top five. Never I've never seen it. I know what is have never watched. Yeah, it. Stars are boy, a justin long as in it and. Its Sam Remy his. It's gooby gross. I mean it's just they get everything they can get away with. It still get a PG thirteen. I'M GONNA. Bring it out. Sissies Yeah, it's really fun, said a good run. What's to enjoy the Millard? I hate to lie to you, but I'm not GonNa Watch that movie that I said I would watch. I. GotTA chip those twice. I'm bailing on tiptoes. Man. I think that A. Drag me to hell, the especially disgusting during a pandemic. Oh my God. Yes, that's what like did. He goes book around and watch contagion at all during the began. Absolutely. No. Not It was so close. It was like you're watching a documentary like no way. A. Thriller Right. That's like a horror movie right now like it really is. There's so many. Language terminology that like you didn't know before the pandemic did social distancing. They say they're in us. What? God a decade. Was Wild. Another horror movie, Dick Tracy. That's got. Take his ex-girlfriend girlfriend Madonna's in. Scarier than Madonna's acting. Is it I've never I never actually watched that one? Is it like I Dunno, it just reminds me like it would be like Sin City Roger Rabbit mixed together or something. Wow, that's exactly that that's how he. Only. Yeah, nail doesn't sound bad when you describe it like that. I. To way better, there's also a really crazy Hollywood story about Warren Beatty, and like him, buying the rights and fighting to keep the rights and trying to get this movie made, and then he finally gets it made and I. Think people were like Okay and. I'm pretty sure that Warren Bathing. IM- might have changed in the last ten years, but I think he might still own the rights to Dick Tracy which is part of the reason why it hasn't been like rebooted reimagined, but that might they might have lapsed I. Don't know, but yeah. That's a really interesting, cool weird Hollywood tale. That sounds like you're gonNA. Be All season of entourage or something to step story with. Get a script. Insert. Warren Beatty had some real like you know because he was also in the middle of their whole crazy this. Like He. He definitely when moving into directing and producing chair, just sort of got involved things that were just like hard to pull off and Because was moving to town and country that took forever to get made. Yeah he's. I think I feel like he's his own worst enemy like if he was like a net fanning just showed up and did great acting things that he would still be like a. you know a legit. Clare! You know but. At least he was there when the wrong name was mentioned the. Oscars now what I was just going to say. I can't even think of Warren Beatty at all. That was wasn't yeah. That's his disease. It standing next to Faye dunaway which sheep. Out The wrong name. Fuck Jimmy Kimmel to go out there till Faye. Dunaway and Warren Beatty fucked up. What you guys go talk about the Golden Age of Hollywood over a bowl of blow back there. Well it's that time you guys. It's time for us to Do a bowl of blow. A up all night. Who would like to plug. Anything you've got going on, let's start with Clark. What's going on Clark? Wolves Yeah I would love if if you guys enjoyed this show. Give me a follow on the old Graham, the old instagram at Clark Mark with any wolf with any that would be lovely and thank you so much for having me Doug. This was a lot of fun and everybody will result there with your instagram doing fun. You know you're always at fun events and stuff getting getting photo. It's good follow. Thank you, Doug Doug Millard speaking Doug's. Again a podcast called ear finger. that. Kind of experimental this week I reviewed a book called ninety seven ways to make baby laugh. And it's the dumbest book I've ever had and. I mean is a is a bitch any of them. That's almost almost all of. Ways to make a baby laugh at a bitch at one was by joke. They actually like. Why can't new rounded up to a hundred? That's what I understand. Also? It's very easy to make a baby laugh. You can do any state. Well, but you really think there's like three more songs they could have thought of. I mean yeah, you can. They don't have jiggled some car keys in there. That's pretty good. Goto can literally don't have Jiggle car he is on. They're not in there now in there i. The fifth thing I would have put. Your you guys are both Shirley event. Enough experience. This will always make a baby laugh aren't Arthur. Maybe not always. He'll smarter. Stupid. They're not. They're not smart. What do you think they're laughing 'cause they're like? Why are you putting the keys in my face? I can't drive, you idiot. I don't know why they left. That's a good question so damn funny. I want these babies are laughing at. Forget us. They took. The keys funny. The Indian holding cheese in them get. Their intellect is too high, so they're like urinating. I can't believe you thought I'd call for this. Atlantic, they're mocking though that's the things, babies a really smart, but the only thing they can do is laugh or cry. Did you plug anything dog Oh yeah? I'd finger. He's making Babies Matt. Lap during this time, yes. Jordan, what do you get spoiled buddy? I'm a part of a podcast called fantasy everything with David Boring in Carmel Fantastic if you want the last episode we did was pretty much a large donation episode, and we still have all of our links up. If you WANNA, go visit the page. Choose a site to donate to. We have a bunch up You know if you WANNA go, go help out what's going on. and. If not just be good, be happy. 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Part 3: Day 2 of 2020 DNC

The Young Turks

36:50 min | 10 months ago

Part 3: Day 2 of 2020 DNC

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We're going to talk about that in a little bit. Ashburn. Those were young Turks members. There were asking those questions we'll get to Colin Powell and a second One more person that we signed up on Youtube Channel membership, and their name is better quality uploads. Okay. So far name And then he on Youtube Super Chat. Lots of good folks Were chipping in in and giving their thoughts eighty one says, please make this stop. Okay. That's another hand. Coffee break fiction says, this is so sweet. It's nice to he what good people look like just working class decent people I wanNA come back and talk about that a little bit. Mary Slaney says Jiang, love TYP. Thank you. Sang fifteen wants us to visit Sweden I wish brother I wish and I'm twitched apparently things are going nuts because. Of the high trainer was. Real. Whatever the ice train is it got to level five. I don't overdose level. But it got the level five. That's you guys and I'm GonNa just read a whole bunch of people prime who either sub. Prime that's if you have Amazon prime is free for you to become a subscriber we paid onto it. So please do that again and all the people who donated beds and new subscriptions et Cetera Khloe Gombala standard deviation major Scuds Super Joe Nineteen ninety-one Nikki nate the Duke of all Trades Dr. Pre Dare Dorf who's earth so thank you to all be watching on twitch We really appreciate that are. Now let's get to analysis. So. Let's start with Joe Var. So Dr Jill Biden gave a speech tonight. Then obviously as we just saw covering this live and we'll be covering every night of DNC Nar and see live and. In the first potential first lady does gives a speech on one of these ice says he here and I mixed feelings about it so I let me put it this throughout. Put Out. Say. Before the threshold I liked it after the threshold I thought it went a bit much. So what was the threshold and referring to? Learn about her and Joe Biden and their family history of she doesn't have tells policy she you know if she does great but that's not necessarily what we're expecting from the first lady. To come and deliver a speech on. So things I learned about her I like learning about it I don't know how relevant it is, but it's still I am happy to note, right? Things, I'll give me some examples. Things above the threshold where like and then she started talking about the dirty dishes in the sink in I'm like I I love you bullets. Okay. This is too much right like there was. It was just personal. Just. Super duper personal, right. And so they talk about the folks who pass away in in in their family a lot and I've seen this now I now have a cabin covered joe by literally for decades I know those stories inside and out, but I gotta say I come close, to tear up. And sometimes go above that threshold. Whenever I. Hear About. Bo By. because. He died so young brain cancer and and when they show us pictures as a kid and this. Is Gut wrenching. But the one line that really got to me was when she said she about Joe Biden a notch shave for four days after Bo Biden passed away. And then he shaved and he sees himself to going to a world without are some. For anyone, WHO's a parent? That's that's tough to listen to and it makes you root for them. I'M GONNA. Tell you like tonight was the night that he won the presidency. If he went right I think Jill did an outstanding job appealing to even someone is dead on the inside is me I actually felt emotion I actually filled connection to Joe Biden who I have been working diligently hard and avoiding. 'cause. Policy on policy life besides not being Donald Trump I really just I have no reason to want to connect with them but as a father as a human being I actually felt like wait a minute I think the democratic strategy on this was actually got a brilliant because we have something to juxtaposed next to the character that Joe Biden presented network second of all she she. wrote that like she was a an a season author whoever wrote that right and literary thanked it was really I hate to talk about it in this category but it wasn't a political speech. It was a beautiful speech and it touched me and I think it touched a lot of people think touch somebody like me I'd be surprised is is touching a lot of people right now. I actually think there was one symbol in there that was really really powerful which I'm going to get to in the end here but I do what I usually do is give you some fun things in there and. And as much substance as we can to. I looked at our species. God. WHAT IS DONALD TRUMP? Is about this? I fear anything again like God. Please please don't insult their family members but you never know with trump you just never know and. Right and anyway. So First of all. This is the most honest the Democrats have been. Because they admitted a bunch of things in there, and that's what makes them more relatable likable ironically that you really, I'm not sure they should be admitted it in terms of relationship I this is just fun stuff but when Giovanni? Many times but he says, you know I asked her to marry me five times and finally there she. I'm not sure that such a story, right? And then they told the story of how she was set to go out with another guy but she broke that to go out with Joe instead. Ask definitely, not a good story. I'd be out of. The same way you know, I gotTa Tell my wife to her date. So exit it working best part I'm telling you. This was the best night like they could have. I don't know what they juxtaposed last night at progressive with Republican, and then they juxtaposed tonight warhawks with somebody who actually has a heart right? So I'm not sure what that strategy was, but they could have just left everyone off and Joe Biden speech. Yeah. I hear you on that that'll be an. Overall summary. but so there's this director that was kept. You said, whoever wrote the script etc and Winky real on the young Turks so I'm sure that was. Felt heartfelt and we've seen a lot of non heartfelt speech. As CETERA, and of course, she had a little bit of help of course is. Choreographed to some degree, and in this case, unfortunately, you heard the director saying you're up. Hugh before she started. Walking and I think that he might have been on the whole time because I thought I heard laughter in the background in the middle, and then at the end, he also the director seem to be saying something. So it's unfortunate that folks got man behind the curtain a little bit when you tell you about the men behind the curtain, all the time, the rest of the world, the political world doesn't, but I don't want you to think that was just jill by no that's everybody at every convention. and. And then. The last. Oh, I didn't love it. I. Love She will. Oh, she wakes us up at Christmas Eve at five in the morning for Seoul cycling. Down to. Say the snake in the back bag. that. I was just waiting for Samuel Jackson to come on. There's a Mu-. Backpack. In My. Backpack Anyway they should think about one day. But Look. We apparently I both like schmaltzy stuff but when Joe Buying was talking about how the country is more. Our similarities are infinite and our intellect. We prove that we have a heart of kindness. That's not the sense I got from the trump administration the last four years have been. Very, dispiriting not just because trump but because. We've all come to the conclusion and it's UNMISTAKABLE THAN AT least thirty five percent of this country does not think like we do. And I don't mean about like, Hey, we disagree on policier percentage of taxes or whatever no like. Wow like very, very different and I did not. Get assessed today have some sort of harder golden I? Didn't see in these last four years. But I'm keeping a to rely on that like I know she's trying to reach out the folks at Saturday. She's a kind hearted person but but finally. The part that I thought was important was the symbolism that I just finally God. As is as I was watching Jill Biden speed. It's Joe, Biden, grieving family as a symbol of the grieving country. So both in terms of coronavirus and the protests around what happened to George Floyd this country's grieving a lot of ways and my God if you ever want a parrot. WHO's through grief? A can help you walk through. That is Joe Biden and you gotta give them credit on. Yeah Yeah. The loudest part of that speech was the fact that she was showing us like she. She literally took us by the hand and I hate to give so much commentary on the presentation of it was she took the speech took us by the hand and no matter where you were. If you were actually authentically listened to her, she led you to that point would that you just pointed out Jank dead? That the country is grieving and the person who knows how to do agree is Joe Biden now setting that aside obviously everything else that comes along with the presidency and policy and everything else. But when you consider the last five months the last six months hundred, seventy, thousand people dead There's a significant amount of grief that this country is dealing with and and and Donald trump just kind of. Pushes his finger as thumb into that won't and we got a good comparison I. Yeah I mean we done a medical analogy throughout the night. But stopped the bleeding triage. Live to fight another day but eight years was a little gruesome but it but but totally right trump. When he sees a wound, he doesn't they closed up. He thinks how to rejoin my drive my thumb into it. So you're in bigger pain and fine for his flaws and policy et Cetera is a guy who who, who's. That that's true. That is what he does. So. Okay. Now when I go to a summer overall Before I do that new members on Youtube proletarian number two, six, seven, which is. Handled the have a twitter has joined Kyla a Christian carton in Frank Trujillo. So thank you guys. Thanks for making shows like this. Possible. You do that through membership can do it on Youtube. You could do at Ti dot com slash join and you certainly do it by helping our funding campaign this year ty dot com slash go we really do need him. We appreciate guys. Okay so So second. Here. And until Jill Biden spoke at the end it was a pretty dark night. She's lying up considerably. We gave you are announced of her speech I'll talk a little bit about again here but but before that while. So. It was a combination of giant nothingburger plus a really driving home the point Joe. Biden. Actually, Kinda wants to be a Republican. I swear to you that I didn't even like I. Know Joe Biden's past who we've studied ad Nauseam and I know he loves being quote unquote bipartisan and and I know he's worked with Republicans. Also Ad Nauseam. In last night four different Republicans at least I started lose Cowan spoke and back Joe Biden I thought we were done with the Republicans know they did a whole nother wave and most they sent the ghost of John McCain to speak. And so by the end of of of the ghost of. Republican Pass. I thought. Nah. I think Joe. Genuinely wants to be a politician as a nineteen ninety. S. And so that was not comforting. And and so let me give you a little bit more detail on that. So the the beginning of the night was here, Bill Clinton had okay speech and he was the only one today to really mentioned policy other than. The war hawks at the end of the night. And so you know he talked about how by is going to be paid family leave good. Otherwise unremarkable speech filled with remarkable speeches. Did come out she did speak and she endorsed Bernie Sanders and people were laughing. All loans are coup. No. Formality. Anybody who gets above three hundred delegates has the right. Put their name in. To be considered, and that's what AOC was doing. It was preplanned not like it was anything surprising I just people didn't know about it and but but overall normal. Okay. And then debarking another progressive and he had a powerful and moving speech of argue for Medicare. Or. Healthcare for everyone. You're not allowed to say Medicare for all in buying convention, but addy does believe in that and so I was glad to see him there But then. The end was I thought particularly odious. So John Kerry comes on and he's like American exceptionalism until by Rizzoli one that could make exceptional and look when Colin Powell came on and talked about alliances and how. Important. If you just left it at that I get it and Colin Powell's Republican and he served the Bush administration and no, I haven't forgiven him and no, neither should you. But I am I. Glad to get his endorsements shirts fide right and I do I want NATO back together do I want our alliances to be short? Yes and he was actually less hawkish the John Kerry who's a Democrat But. Now we're building on the Republican he and then they robbed the ghost of John McCain and. That one was just like this love affair that became Biden of has route their careers but the most telling part of that at I think arguably the most telling part of tonight. was. When They said in the video Joe Biden was always the one that crossed over to the other side of the aisle. And that's true. I know the details of those deals at different times we've explained those different deals you guys and when Joe Biden crossed the aisle that's quite literal like he. He did the deals. That the Republicans wanted. And it really hurt Democrats over and over and over I'm being honest with you I want Joe Biden Win I. Think Donald Trump is a monster, but that's just a fact and it's the deal he made with the Republicans. They send Bush's tax cuts for the rich was so odious that even another conservative, Democrat? Like Michael. Ben, was so mad about it. He wrote a whole book about it. Okay. So that is Joe Biden's Achilles heel and and it's not just a hill. It's a to most of the by or k the saving grace of of the night was Jill Biden giving a really Good, solid heartwarming speech. It didn't have to do with policy not every speech at a student policy and and I think that. Joe and Jill. Biden's love. Is as genuine as I have seen in politics So you gotta give and then loved their family and it was just it was like an old school, all American tale But like I said earlier uniting, they're grieving family with a grieving country and so. She almost saved it at the end but overall I walk away thinking. Oh boy is a big big fight ahead. was. The binding administration progressives if we're lucky enough to have him when. Absolutely I I mean no matter how good Joe Biden was I felt I I was one over with Joe Biden that doesn't change the fact that So it's inauguration has over now I'm sorry. So as the election night is over, we have to go to war with this administration that is going to do. Exactly what they set up with John McCain, right with the entire clip with John McCain and I'm glad you pointed that out. So with so much detail because that literally is the problem. The fact that Democrats have been going over to the right over and over and over again capitulated to Republicans without ceasing for the last forty years for which. was part of almost every single one of those years and sold the back. We know without a shadow of doubt. One of the first thing that Joe Biden is going to want to do a spine some way to have some type of conciliatory relationship with the Republicans which means capitulation, which means that progressive not just us is in terms of a group. And of movement but policy that people need to survive we're going to get bird and so we have a fight on our hands in his as loving and caring heart warming is the night was a Disney Dad that touch my soul, my dad little soul, his I i. know we're going to have to fight like hell as soon as he's elected. No question about that I mean good news bad news on that front again from what I saw tonight look as I saw John McCain video I thought if any leaning Republicans if they exist at all. Were watching any independence that still haven't made up their mind were watching. That McCain Biden video could actually really appeal to them as like. At least it's unity God. We've had so much division and so much fighting and trauma under a trump that then he could work at least for that intended purpose. I hope there's enough of those voters and I hope it up. Oh, them watched. But the downside is an we're honest about that even though we don't want him to go in that direction, there's at least the potential upside they might get some votes. Now the downside is a so as I looked at that, I thought. What is going to happen if the problem is whole Senate and and I thought Oh boy, we're that that's their ready made excuse to throw their hands of ago. There's nothing we can do. We can't get the fifteen wage Pinkett gun control we can't get healthcare we can't get anything because McConnell still controls the Senate first of all please vote and take that excuse away from the Democrats and then Ben finally I thought. What. If we do in the Senate which we I think we have a good chance of winning. Then they're not gonNa have any excuses what excuses they're going to invent because they're not going to do progressive priorities and and they don't even have the things they say on their own policies. So they're going to have to come up with some week sauce excuses and that's when we have two pounds and say under no circumstances. If we have all three branches, you must deliver on everything you promise otherwise all hell's going to break loose. Right, and so this is where my dad saw inter zand because I have I'm under no illusion that even if they'd get the Senate that they're going to do anything and I have full expectation that we're GONNA have the parents regardless So they're going to make these excuses. They're going to do exactly what they've shown us that they are over the last four years of. My entire life especially in the last last administration particular when they did have control of the entire government and they did what they quote unquote could do and so with somebody like a Joe Biden, I fully expect that whether he has the House the Senate as well as the White House is still going to capitulate to Republicans, and we're going to have to fight like hell. Agreed on. That aren't as we wrap up last word goes t you guys because as we were doing this video kyle, any Naeli sign up to be a young Turks member on Youtube Tony Lang upgraded. When you upgrade, you can see the post game we're about to do bad wrong also upgraded. So we have more coverage of the DNC in the post game that we're going to do just for members. You can do it through youtube or you can do it a ty T. dot com slash join and left his best wrote it on Youtube. Super Chad I'm so far past platitudes and sad sob stories and then an all caps we need action and policy not more establishing bulled us don't get US wrong brother. Okay. Our hearts can go out to Jill Biden and Joe Biden and bovine all those folks but at the end of the day, our, hearts are mainly go out to you because we if we don't pass bills, it doesn't help your family at all so that's the bottom line and I can promise you this progressives will fight for you whether it's trump or biden no matter what. All right. So we're we're going to post game now So we'll have more of your comments, boulevard comments a little bit more breakdown of this convention like I said, if you're watching on Youtube, just hit the button below the four nine level you get the post game we're about to do ninety nine you get all of our videos anytime you want including all of this coverage. If you WANNA see any of the speeches that you missed or analysis of it But even if the two bucks guys, he that means you support the show and we love you for it, and if you can is so important to do ty T. dot com slash go so we keep going and have this progressive loud passionate progressive voice in the media All right. So for all the members we'll be back in. Bank. postgame second night of the DNC. Jank ben with these guys. So Ben. Sometimes, what we do, John, either all of this the most. Will look at media reaction and then react to that. So that's a fun thing. Let's do that right now. All I'm news read headlines I just picked. Randomly they have quick reactions, right so I'll read the headlines and we'll laugh okay. MSNBC's jewelry flows idea binding restriction impaneling and trump crimes commission after election. Yeah. That's not gonNA happen is no zero zero resent chance guarantee you that Biden says look forward backwards. Okay Tucker, Carlson goes at this. Tonight but this is kind of about last night turn currency goes after Michelle Obama portrayed yourself as a victim of speech. She wants you to quote shot up and accept her opinion over you. You never lacks creativity I'll give him that much. Yeah. Look I. Don't know much about Michelle Obama. Personally. But I would be shocked if her driving motivation was dominion over you. Eight he's working in a lot of troops in like that's actually he's condense the hell out of Alan Jenkins he worked in the domineering woman general the angry black woman he worked a lot of troops into that one. And Look I. Think Legitimate Critique of Obama's is they've spent a lot of time on the onset say A. Retired. Yes. and. She talked about putting a comfortable shoes on being sure you vote Obama of course, most famously talked about put on his comfortable shoes join the picket lines of people were striking and Blah Blah Blah and never did any of that, right? Right and. So that's a legitimate critique. Saying that. Michelle. Obama wasn't control your life and his angry one store. Over you Sanity. They live a totally different planet. Yeah. No absolutely they but if it works right he's he's he's actually doing quite well in terms of one upping the level of bigotry and ridiculousness that Bill Riley left him Let the big gaping hole knows Tucker's doing pretty good in that role. Aggressive I'm telling you. Lead candidate twenty, twenty four if you asked me another. Kid. Any John Kerry condemned trump's blooper reel foreign policy breaks up with our allies writes love letters to dictators. Okay. The writing the letters indicate is I'm glad somebody brought that up and I'll give him credit for that. But I mean trump said he fell in love with Kim Jong UN could you imagine if Barack? Obama. Could you imagine? Bernie Sanders said he with Kim Jong Hoon or Fidel Castro or any other communist dictator all he had to say was mentioned something good about Cuba and they took Bernie Sanders to task over that. So they really did slip on them. They should have been driving down whole awhile now. Yeah and They. They Look I. Don't think they were ever really seriously considering Karen, Bass but you know the theoretical storyline there was that she was pretty much eliminated because she had one said something nice about Cuba however long ago right and. But meanwhile, trump says, he's in love with a communist dictator and there was A. Long long long long gone. Right, the recipe John Kerry's speech unfortunately was terrible because he was trying to push people in a war. So. Here's the next headlines. Abrahams praises binds proven courage caused trump as quote president of cowardice. And Ben here's what I realized reading these headlines especially the over what I took to be a little bit over the top reaction Michelle Obama's speech last night, which is. Apparently, a lot of folks haven't. Listened to progressive talk shows. Because they feel like these mild critiques of trump is like some sort of a nuclear attack. I mean it just any random one minute of the young Turks sorry about trump is. Ten Times worse than any of this, they seem like move by this I? Started cowardice and yeah. Yeah. I agree. But they're stuck in their own echo chambers of those other shows. Those other quote unquote independent shows. Yeah. Right but but at the same thing, don't get me wrong I like the she call it out for cowardice that's good godless, and and then the last one is bill. Clinton last trump in DNC siege. If you want a president who spends hours a day watching TV and tweeting, he's your man. Again I. Think I have to check myself here Ben and realized that most Americans who just watch TV. Probably have not heard that kind of harsh. Commentary trump which I find. Amazing but. Yeah. We just we can't be too jaded like because we see at twenty, four, seven I think there's again pretty mild thing you can say about trump. Give the SEC Joel Show you. Don't go the actually that line was was one of the standout lines for me for Bill Clinton besides in general leadership kind of job interviews scenario that he pro city proposition. But that line that out to me because it was not. Generally respected a former president gives a sitting president even in the campaign is is. Seemed to cross that line not in the sense that it was dramatic but for former president. Yeah and the only people who still care by the liner Democrats and the media trope cross that line billion times absolutely fair enough. Not only all the horrific things he said about Barack. Obama But also Bill Clinton but also Republican presidents need. Abraham Lincoln. Trump superpower by the way, the fact that he has no regard for any of these norms and institutions. That we've been mentioning that's how that's how he is John. Trump quite frankly has that's right and then I. Realize. I messed up. Kid Right because they want you to be anyway I'll Gore's but I should have made an argument to speak at the DNC for by. In. Here's why. I say look is say one word about Joe by because I'm not GonNa lie on your behalf until you use a wonderful man was gonna do wonderful positive and I do that right and. You don't want me talking about Joe Biden trusting now. But If you want someone to go nuclear on trump and cre- some news stories well, is it true? The Donald Trump is excellent Y and Z I'm your guy. And especially, if we were person like, yeah, the energy of the crowd that would been epic that would be necessary and this is a line that the Lincoln project actually said last night as much as I. Loathe the Lincoln Project in response to go and low versus going high. He said, they said that we go low so that you don't have to. Matter is this plenty of progressives out here we go pretty low and they just don't want that kind of assistance. Like run. Yeah whether they like it or not as scummy. So a lot of you know, I started rebellion pack of recently and with Brianna woes to wonderful progressive in Massachusetts and. I'll preview free ice. So this is a privilege. This is one of the benefits of membership but of our. The next ad is called bunker boy. So. So. Let's see what kind of damage we're. GonNa do to trump. And, I relish that I I just don't know how many ads could do quickly enough to hit trump. But we're we're GONNA hit A. we're to try to hit him hard. So. Being, of ex-presidents. You at one point you WanNa make about Jimmy Carter who spoke earlier yeah. Yeah. No weeding a chance that they had so many speeches in quick suspense rapid succession that we need to speak about Jimmy. Carter. But I did kind of appreciate the His presence his boys the compassion that he brings in terms of his life and then he did a lot. He did a lot of heavy lifting by lending that credibility that he. Directly. To Joe Biden but specifically tying into the past tying into the early days and how they work together and how he was the first person to support him in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, etc. so I thought that was a really good spot in the night of a lot of low. So I, think it was Jill Biden was the most compelling speech and while we didn't get to see the former president, we definitely got to hear his compassionate his conviction and how much he really elevated Joe Biden lending that credibility that he has quite frankly a lot of people. I still have a lot of respect for Jimmy Carter. So that meant a lot just speak. One hundred percent I'll on this. So I'm Super Lucky I've I've interviewed. A lot of the living legends that that. Are with us. Argue, there's actually five in the country and I think I've interviewed all five. Now I. Think I have I just of course, emory's going to disagree on whose a living legend, the one that I always wanNA date every was my dream but I didn't get a chance Nelson Mandela. So which is on a world scale of by but. When I got the interview. GNOME CHAMPS HE DELORS. worked. A reverend. GNOME chomps He. And engine regard and in when I did. I asked him Guinea worm disease. That's the disease that he literally eradicated from Earth as one of the two diseases we wiped out forever and that's a Helluva Fan and I. Why Guinea worm disease is doesn't get a lot of press right? They said that's exactly why he said it actually affects a lot of people. But Effects People that are in the press alive it was. Pretty prevalent in Africa and it hit poor people really hard and it's actually a disease that's in the water in the worms live in the water, and then they get inside you and then they come out of you it is just a horrific disease, a burst. The skin is like out of an if science fiction movie and he could kill you and if it doesn't kill you it. Is True mendaciously painful and puts you and makes you very very sick and has killed a ton of people. He said it was a disease that caused the most damage where no one else was working on it and and part of the reason they weren't working on it is because they weren't GonNa get a lot of credit or notoriety for it. He says so that's why I said. How Other? Are you not. Now. There's just that that's that's I never knew that story. Yeah. So peace in the middle? East and we're. Tired Z's from the planet. So that's living lynch. So. We're lucky to still have. All right. We made a living legend and we had a ghost tonight he goes to jump. All right ban you're awesome. Thanks for joining us every. Has Been. Dickson show. It's fantastic Ben's also on damage report a John. New Dynamic duo of their people? Love you, guys. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you guys. We'll see you tomorrow.

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But the Gift Cards

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But the Gift Cards

"Hello welcome to the the gift Scuds edition of slate money or guide to the business and finance news of the week. I'm feeling salmon of axios joined by emily pack of the HUFFINGTON post who has gift cuts in her wallet and she doesn't want them to go worthless worthless. When the company goes bust? I do have a gift card in my wallet. Actually we also joined by Anna Szymanski who is a meany who hates gift cards and thinks they should go back down with the gift card down with the gift breath. We are going to have a jolly g budgie debate about not really about gift because although they do into into it about private equity is it good. Is it bad. Should it be regulated if it should be regulated. How should it be regulated and of course in general about Elizabeth Warren who is she has a plan for that? You'll be surprised to hear we're GONNA talk about half plan. We are also going to talk about net flicks and whether it's business model makes any sense and we are going to talk about gentrification and whether it may be isn't as bad as people think it is GonNa Tease Cats Oh we are also going to have an amazing slate plus segment. You should probably subscribe to sleepless. Just listen to this segment. It's kind of incredible all about C._G._I.. Cats you're going to have to listen to that one all of that coming up on slate money. This episode is brought to you by Goldman Sachs for insights from leading thinkers at Goldman Sachs. I'm a state of Markets Industries and the global economy listen to their podcast exchanges at Goldman Sachs. You'll hear discussions on a variety all righty of topics from a variety of sector's far reaching implications including global and regional growth forecasts finding value today's investing climate the impact of technology markets and much much more. That's exchanges at Goldman Sachs available on Apple podcasts spotify stitcher soundcloud and Google play and at G. S. dot com slash podcast. Let's talk about Elizabeth Warren because because she has a plan for how everything in the American financial system is broken and she wrote the plan on medium which is why she writes have plans and I read her plan on medium and I kinda liked it. Yeah I mean it kind of made sense to me. She was like the finance sector of the economy. It's meant to be the vassily which keeps the economy moving smoothly and it's clearly not doing a very good job because if your report person you spend as much on fees and finances you do on food yeah she said it's basically hoovering up all the the money instead of helping people get more money. She has this. She has this this wonderful little riff about more than just a riff. The centerpiece of it really is this whole attack on private equity and how if you kind of get to the bottom of that kind of exploiting the whole concept is limited liability to basically cap that downside with unlimited upside and if things go bad then a bunch of blameless you know pension funds and stuff wind up front. I think it was really interesting because I mean Bernie Bernie Sanders also running for president similar to Elizabeth Warren has also sort of railed against private equity but what Elizabeth Warren has done is not only railed against private equity but explained how it works and offered some solutions and proposals to sort have rain at in a little bit more than a little bit. I will say that my colleague Dan primack who has been like you know. The Emperor of the private equity beat for decades is kind of convinced that if all of these proposals happened happened that would be the end of the Bribe Eddie Industry the price tag with he basically doesn't work in a world like the One Elizabeth Warren is proposing where the private equity companies themselves are on the hook for the debt can't do private equity so let's let's slow down here a little bit. His Anna needs to unpack that a little bit. Can I say this is my understanding of what you just said but this is how Elizabeth Warren Sort of explained how a private equity works and sort of what it looks like to me an angry person looking at what happened to like a series or toys R. US or whatever it's like the firm comes in and they buy this company and instead of just buying it outright with cash they borrow tons and tons of money to by the company then once they have the company they have all the stat and instead of like keeping the debt in their own private equity space they sort of put the debt onto the company that was already struggling when that's the reason they kind of bought it and then they also do things things like if the company like the sears owns a bunch of real estate and that's like it's best kind of asset they're like let's sell the real estate and they sell the real estate and then they make the company then pay rent on the real estate so they kind of load up the company that was already struggling with debt. Take Away. It's valuable assets then when things don't work out because they have no actual strategy for turning around the business then they say oops fees and then they go bankrupt <hes> time they've gone bankrupt. They've already extracted wanted so much money from the company in terms of sales of property and dividends. They've paid themselves. You're still make money. So what you're driving is our bad private equity deals and this is my problem with the Warren piece. I think that there are valid criticisms of private equity. I think that there have been some models like the three g motto which I've criticized in the past which I do think the market itself is now showing is not working particularly well. Also I think there are valid criticisms of private equity for many people in the industry that say because this might be a little in the weeds but because of how smooth returns they inflate their risk adjusted returns so yes but that's actually important Horton. I mean it's actually a real legitimate concern because right now you have a lot of institutional Comoran okay but but my point is Warren is doing in my opinion is she's not actually trying to fix the problem. She's trying to appeal to rage age and the reason I say that is because what she's doing. She's not looking at like all of private equity. The private equity she's describing is actually much more of like kind of nineteen eighty S. If you actually look at private equity in the last like ten years a lot of private equity target firms actually did better during post crisis than similar non okay. Let me let me let me stop you there because we there's a lot to unpack there when I wanna go slowly because I think the Anna is you know very versed in these kinds of things and I want to go through this a little bit study. We can understand what we're saying when you say that she's not addressing the problem. Let's be clear I are you saying that she's not addressing the problem that she is diagnosed. She's not addressing the problem that you have diagnosed with private equity in my opinion her belief is she doesn't think it should exist weight but go through her proposals before we yeah so so I think cool we all kind of agree here. That Elizabeth Warren doesn't like private equity that if her proposals come through then it would be changed out of it. Maybe not eradicated entirely but it would not look like it looks right now and so the effect would be that it wouldn't exist anymore in its current state yeah. I think that's probably true so I feel that's a good way to begin. I feel like in terms of that. She's just right if she doesn't think that it should existence come in state and have proposals would stop it from existing in its current state then she's kind of fixing the problem that she his diagnosed right except I don't think that is the problem that as a country we should be focusing on what he should exist. I think okay away so just to slow down here. You're saying that she is diagnosed. One mccray with not that is not the problem with primarily the U._C.. Her problem doesn't address the problem with private equity the U._C. U._C.. Other problems which bigger problems but so you're saying that when she diagnose the problem like she is wrong with the diagnosis right okay okay emily well now Kinda WanNa hear what is going to say but I'll try and point out I the elements of Warren's plan she wants these companies have more responsibility for the pension plans of the employees. She wants the the first two years. Here's when they take over another company. They can't pay out dividends until they get things turned around for at least years she wants to make workers have more favorable outcomes. When these companies go into bankruptcy she wants to I? I thought this was funny or interesting anyway. She wants to protect gift cards. If a company goes into bankruptcy so I guess sometimes when that's a serious problem it is a serious problem facing American consumers why not fix it with that science and like all of these seem like relatively sensible things carried interest. She wants to get rid of Kennedy carried interest. Which I you know it's almost impossible to find anyone who will defend carrying interests so just in terms of these particular proposals that emily has just run down? Is there anything obviously bad about any of these proposals so if you completely change the model of how private equity works if you're saying that you cannot take on a significant amount of leverage or borrowing she's not saying that that is quite literally. What Elizabeth Warren I mean that wasn't one of the proposals that emily listed and it's not on the proposals that I read in her so she wanted to say that that the private equity firm would have to hold the debt itself? Not The target company right that is one of the main on yes so explain the lie. That's it doesn't make any sense of like what does that make sense because if I'm a company and I'm a private equity firm the way I can generate a really high return is because I'm levering up that return right so if I'm just holding onto all of that debt myself and I'm not putting that onto the company and having the company pay out that debt with the cash that they're generating you to generate much of a return you can do in the company is generating to pay off the the debt. It's just a quick question for that. If you're looking at how private equity farms work how they make money for their investors they are going to need the flexibility to be able to pay dividends that they WANNA pay dividends. Let's go back because I feel like we've jumped forward to a different western hair about dividends. Let's stick with the debt because I think this is actually the act the real heart of the issue here. I don't see anything in warrants proposal saying that you can't have leverage. Emily doesn't see that you do see where you see. That has the firm itself because the private equity firm itself isn't what they're saying is that the private equity firm itself would have to hold all this debt on its own firms balance sheet on the company that it's taking over this. Why is that bad because you wouldn't be able to generate returns? Why does it matter whether the debt is company a owns company be why does it make such a big difference whether the debt is that of company B. or the debt instead of company company a whether it's one is a wholly-owned degree of the other so it's not that private equity firms couldn't keep the debt on their own balance sheet? It's that if they had to do that if the traditional leveraged buyout model wasn't available they simply wouldn't engage in almost any of these deals because they just wouldn't WanNa take on the risk if the aim of the policy is to make private equity take on fewer deals than then this would achieve that. I just don't necessarily agree with that goal okay so yeah I think I think I think we've actually come to an agreement here. I think that that's exactly what Elizabeth Warren saying if your whole. Will Way of getting your magnificent returns and becoming a gazillion air like Leon black is to do financial engineering and shove down onto portfolio companies instead of actually taking responsibility for the debt the borrow yourself then that's not how finance should work and you're saying well. That's the only way that Leon black can become a billionaire and she's like we'll find Saddam. Black doesn't become a billionaire okay well then explain that to all of the pension funds that have been plowing money into private equity because they need those return okay so the and that is a really good point because the investors in private equity actually do fine you you know we've seen over the decades that private equity returns have been perfectly good. Suddenly the people running private equity companies like you know the on black have done very well for themselves so Mitt Romney you know an even the people lending money to these. He's leveraged buyouts. You know the pension funds and other people who like Oh you want to let it up with lots of debt will lend you that debt in a junk bonds no problem even they have done all right. Elizabeth Warren is point is that's like the world of finance and the the loses from all of that when the investments don't work out wonderfully and sometimes they work out wonderfully and everyone does great but when the investments don't work out wonderfully the loses <hes> other creditors of the company and when we say credits company what we mean is people with gift cards or employees who don't get paid out when they get fired or pensioners who lose a lot of pension when the company goes best and those kind of things and she's saying that isn't fair because those people aren't involved in high finance and not you know financiers who making risk adjusted return calculations on the liabilities of the company that just saying I've got a gift card. I should be able to spend it job. The number one a lot of the companies and ended up being target companies for private equity firms are companies that are struggling for one reason or another usually for private equity are not taking over a company that is doing exceptionally well so part that's part of the whole value proposition private equity outside outside the fact that yes you are using a lot of leverage to return. That's clearly a big part of it but it's also that you are making these companies more productive and that is something that has been shown that is in fact quite often the case that the companies do end up being productive so when I was reading Warren's <hes> medium post and you know when people talk about private equity you hear about sears you hear about toys R. US you hear about I think Bernie's railing about some hospital that was taken over by private equity and shutdown. I mean there's examples abound offensive automatic. So what are the good examples. You don't hear about the good example okay adding an example. We talked about pret- A number of years ago I remember when like 'cause they were owned by private equity and actually did a pretty darn good job with them so there are plenty of example the Sandwich Day. If all of the deals are private equity engaged ended up going really poorly and all of the companies went bankrupt it would be unlikely that this would be a type of investment strategy that would continue so it is true that there have been periods of time when you've had really really aggressive private equity deals that took on way too much debt that clearly there was no logical way the company was Gonna be able to pay off that debt and this often happens actually at the height of business cycles. This is another kind of problem that you sometimes have the private equity is that you tend to have more these deals when the market's really frothy. That's the problem is something we saw pre the crisis so there are definitely issues with private equity and to me the biggest issue with private equity is that I don't think a lot of investors fully understand how truly volatile the returns are and that's significant because a lot out of the investors are Pension Funds Endowments. Let me just stop you there because again you're saying the real problem with private. Equity is nothing to do with what happens to the employees or the credits or anything like that. It's like the investors the financiers the financiers might not make as much money as we thought they would and I'm like well that might be true. It might not be true. We don't know we haven't gone through the whole cycle. If the worst thing that happens is that the people who invest in private equity don't make as as much money as they thought they would they went in with the ISO okay so when all of those pension funds can't meet their liabilities like remember which pension funds were talking about here. We're not talking about the pension funds of the company pension funds and city pension funds investigate these like Talking University endowments always seems to me to be like the first goto argument when any politician attacks Finance Wall Street or anything like that is that everyone says or like the Wall Street lobby always applies with a version of this which is if you attack Wall Street. You're going to attack returns that you can get by investing in stocks and bonds and private equity hedge funds and if you do that then your 4. Hey we'll get hurt or your pension. Plan will get hurt because you'll on this late defined contribution BUBBA and it's like I. I understand the argument. I'm not saying it's worthless argument. It's the same argument to everyone ways applies to every attempt to do anything Wall Street and I'm like there's nothing specific about that argument. It's it's it's very very generic argument and guess what I was looking for here in terms of responses to Elizabeth Warren proposals as as much as well you know the returns on Capitol for finance will be low which may or may not be true a much more something like narrow in specific to this particular proposal that particular proposals that she he has a number one. They're based on the idea that private equity as it currently exists is essentially always a net negative for employees. She does not say that she absolutely does not say that she does say that it is sometimes a net negative tiff employees and that the risk of employees being hut goes up if you wind up going into leveraged buyout and the what she thinks is that that kind of financial engineering is not helpful and maybe we shouldn't be doing it. She's not saying it's always bad but she's saying it's bad often enough and the incentives in this structure kind of make it worse for employees often enough that we should do something about it so I would say that is true that we have had some particularly bad examples of Private Equity Deals and leveraged buyouts that have not worked out well as I've said because I do think that people behind them were being a big greedy and they weren't acknowledging how much cash that these companies could actually generate and they were getting themselves out and just kind of saying who the hell cares about the companies in the employees. Yes that is definitely something is happening and I do think that that's a problem. It should be done about that. I think the markets Kinda taking care of that like that model is not as prevalent anymore in partly because like you just I the deals. Don't make sense anymore so you're seeing a lot more of middle market deals and which is actually kind of important because before you had a private equity industry a lot of middle market kind of industries like had no headline you know the big Warren Buffett is investing in that kind of deal you know he's best good and we we had like long discussion of number of months ago but how that three D. model is becoming less and less prevalent because people are saying that it's not working. My point is not actually that I thoroughly disagree with everything. Elizabeth Warren say because I do think that are instances where there are bad deals and where people are not thinking long term and where they are just you just don't think that the government the market market actually doing that and in a self-regulating now and that saying as I said I'm not saying that there should be no government regulations. So what kind of regulation would you like to see. I think they're reporting requirements in terms of volatility and how they're actually marketing a lot of these illiquid assets. There should be stricter oversight of that so let me just ask you if there are private equity deals where the sponsors make money where the private equity companies make money where the equity held. Is You know why the company ultimately goes bankrupt crap that somehow the people who bought the company's still make money. That's obviously bad for the employees who will lose their jobs and it's obviously good for the investors how can more visibility into the finances and you know market self-regulation prevent that because ultimately the people who went in and did this deal which is bad for the company wound up extracting enough value from the company before it went bankrupt. They made money because in private equity in alternative alternative investments in general your trackers never as important as how much new capital you're bringing in and if we can have a more accurate depiction about what's actually happening in the actual volatility it would affect the amount of capital that these companies are able to bring in particularly the ones that are actually not doing your particularly good job. I'm not saying that we should have like oh like laissez. Faire no regulations at all no. I'm just saying that I don't think we should have such a heavy hand that I think Warren in not only this proposal but in many of her proposals although I may agree with her on actually a lot of her kind of concerns I think she has this belief that you can have people come in and kind of engineer this financial system to work exactly as they want. I just don't think that actually works in the real world I I was just GonNa ask you if you actually really thought that it would be bad to protect the gift cards and Bengals the heart. That's actually like whatever I'd have to look at the numbers see but like I slate money is sponsored this week by eight sleep as in the number eight and if you think that you have an amazing mattress let me just tell you about the port by eight sleep because it does things that no no mattress has ever done before. It basically regulates your temperature dynamically. 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It's not because people don't like it. It's because that's all mathworks so Netflix said sign ups were for about half them what they expected and they actually lost subscribers. which is the first time they have law subscribers since they basically launched their streaming business in the U._S.? In a game like a couple millions so it just look like a slowdown for Netflix and the worrying thing was Netflix kind of blame the slowdown on it's sort of lack of really big hit shows in in Q. Two and that sort of interesting because it's different from how you kind of. Originally thought of Netflix streaming services like a place you go and they have kind of everything you want and you just pick amongst it and it's great and everyone signs up for it. The Way Netflix is kind of saying now is like out. No actually were more like an H._B._O.. We have certain hits and people go when the hits are in play and that's when we're getting our sign ups. That's when we're getting this is this is definitely one of the stories that the net flicks bulls have been saying in the net flicks defenders have been saying is this big hit show they have right now stranger things season three came out and Q. Three rather than Q. Two and if the deadly come out a couple of weeks earlier than that would have been lots of sign ups to your point they agree with this underlying thesis that Netflix is increasingly reliant and on a relatively small number of shows many of which it has to produce itself because the hit shows it used to rely on like friends in the office it's losing right and this is actually really important because Netflix net flicks is plowing so much money into content that is how they see their selves in the future they will just be relying on original content and that takes a lot. A lot of money and Netflix is losing a lot a lot of money any at this stage net flicks only exists because of the public debt markets otherwise there is no net flicks and the public markets like those bondholders the one number they really care about subscriber growth and that's why this actually was a big deal and I mean there are two different types of debt. Eh Netflix has one is exactly what you're talking about where issues bombs in the market and because it issues the bonds has a bunch of cash and they can use that cash to pay for television shows and obviously there's <hes> lag there right because you raise the cash the bond and you give the money to a production company and then you know two years later the production actually appears on the queen on net flicks and it makes lots of money in it's a big hit and Netflix because I look at subscriber growth but that came years off the bond so you need a bunch of liquidity in cash low to be able to wait through those two years and the bond investors need to get paid for that risk but then there's another part of this which is that net flicks is is entering into deals where it will plummet to pay studios in production companies in the future billions and billions of dollars and that's not a bond. That's just a promised to pay the future in that those promises don't actually appear on its bounds. Go over US please. Let's yes okay so there are content liabilities and they have content liabilities that do appear on their balance sheet and then they have a significant amount of content liabilities that do not have to appear on their balance sheet because the production has is not reached a certain level yet and more to the point as if your theory emily is true or the motor with reliant on a steady stream of hits and that's not as big of a business then it may you may not be a bigger profitable with business but the fact is they keep Paul needing to have hits quarter-on-quarter out year-in-year-out in perpetuity and in ten years or twenty or thirty s remember this you know a public company. It's meant to be investing thing for the super long time they are still going to need to be channing out. Those hits in those hits are going to be expensive so there's no it's in that way. It's kind of weirdly not like Tech Company where you know you build something in scales once slack say his built it software where they don't need to build a again. If we quarter they just build wife and then they can sell it whereas what Netflix used to do they used to say well. You know there's a whole bunch of reruns and remnants and movie rights out there in the world that no one particularly wants very much doesn't value very much and we can load them off onto our service and Selbe in perpetuity and that turned out to be much more profitable than they thought it would be so much more profitable that now the people who own that intellectual property he like Disney and an A._T._S.. No actually we want to take that back. We're going to assess up Disney plus H._B._O.. Max and we're GONNA do own version of the streaming because it tends out those rights much more valuable than we thought they were so that model of Netflix of like just monetize this vast pool of intellectual property. The people weren't valuing probably doesn't work anymore because people have realized how valuable as that's going away. Nothing is going to replace it with these original hits but that's a much more volatile business and it's not clear to me or that. It's going to be able to be as profitable or as successful become prominent yeah I mean in like and they've never been profitable but the only way the net flicks like story makes sense is if they keep increasing subscriber growth because the idea is that you keep plowing money into new conto the new content gives you subscriber growth ended in this cycle right if all of a sudden you're saying well we're meeting. We've essentially met the addressable market. Okay in the United States. Were not potentially able to grow as much overseas as we thought we are then that that model just doesn't work so I think that's the big thing and everything I've read about net flicks ultimately comes down to this question of how big Nick is the market and the net flicks model does not work. If it's an American company it only works if it's like this global behemoth in pretty much every single country in the world with possible exception of China have always was questioned. This idea that Netflix is going to be able to create the type of content that is going to appeal to people everywhere and that they're going to be able to do it in such a way that people are going to choose to pay for it as opposed to content there already getting often for free online like that like you know already. Most of flexes subscribers are outside the U._S.. Most of the world is they had had a headstart in the U._S.. Obviously it started here. It does seem to be more popular. Among Spanish speakers is among among English speakers in general. I you know Spanish net flicks is very good and it doesn't face the same kind of competition for H._B._O.. Max and Disney that English language met Netflix does and if I was going to come up with like a real bull case for <hes> Fin net flicks I think it would be much based around Spanish language content in English language contents yeah. I'm not saying there wouldn't be any global growth. I'm just saying that I don't think it's reasonable to assume the level of growth is currently being baked into the share price and that's kind river separate question which is not so much you know how Netflix make money or what sits model but it's much more I feel slightly less interesting question. which is what is the right level for the share? Price higher or lower wouldn't is right now because in a certain way the debt stories and equity store which is a debt story because the whole idea is that like Netflix has a very high share price thus they don't actually appear as levered on an enterprise value basis as they would if that share price was a lot lower which which enables them to borrow money at a lower rate that ability to borrow money at a lower rate enables them to get cash over to produce content so yeah I mean I know we're basically basically honor. Saying is that net flicks can never be taken over by private. They don't or any cash nobody no private. Equity firms can take them over. Can we sorry one last thing we didn't mention. I think it's important is that what is also showed is that Netflix may not have the pricing power that a lot of Netflix schools said that they had because this this was one of the issues is that a lot of the areas where they had either lost subscriber growth or didn't have much growth was where they increased prices and that actually is significant because otherwise that's another part of the Netflix show that said you know they raise prices in the United States by twenty percent sent to thirteen dollars and the subscribers didn't go down. I mean it was basically flat so there on that many businesses in the world where you can hike your prices used by twenty percent and developed majority of your customers like basically ninety nine point seven percent of your customers say oh yeah that's fine and just keep on paying high be when like Disney plus comes out in a few months. Are People going to abandon Netflix and go there and it's supposed to be. I think it's going to be under under ten dollars right. You're seeing these issues where they aren't actually facing a tremendous amount of competitions. What's going to happen when they are right? It's also possible that this was just a blip. Just be fair. You know it is entirely possible that they'll have a fantastic band or third quarter but I think fit as as having a little conversation on twitter about this which is basically the in the weird way not managing quarterly expectations and having occasional quarters which look bad and the stock price goes down then other quarters which look good stock price goes up. It's it's kind of a good look for the mix. It looks like they're not in the business and financial engineering. They're just going to let the quarterly reports full where they may you know still focused on the longtime if if they do come back from this which historically they always have than everyone will look back on these quarters and that's not the first time Nisus happened and say oh. We probably shouldn't overreact to back what is like that because they know they're doing slate. Money is sponsored this week by via and by Sam Adams B. in particular Sam Adams is the place you go for super tasty really artisanal all did via and specifically Sam Adams Some A._O._l.. which is the wondering you want to be drinking all summit and it's made in Boston specifically for these easygoing lazy some days when you just WanNa kick back Hamid? Have you ever have it then having a Sam Adams Summit L. is exactly the way to optimize your hammock experience. It has a little bit of citrus has a little bit of space is perfect pair with disease seafood clam bags. Whatever you want start your some of rate with Sam Adams some Ale from the Boston Beer Company in Boston Massachusetts Save the flavor responsibly Anna? We're GONNA talk about gentrification yes as a very interesting new study out where I feel like this been sort of. I've lost track of whether this is a backlash to the backlash to the backlash the backlash but you know I can kind of Z.. First of all ten certification. It's good that means neighborhood gets richer and better off in safer and crime goes down and then there's a backlash that saying actually knows vacation is bad because it means that the people who live in these neighborhoods get priced out of it and you know you lose a whole bunch of character. Nothing becomes homogenized luxury housing and now we have a backlash to that access saying well actually maybe gentrification isn't so bad if you look at the number of people who leave these gentrifying neighborhood it's no greater than the number of people who leave Unde- defying neighborhoods and the people who remain seem to be better off and it's probably a net positive yeah I mean I kind of into laugh and I was reading. This Arkley sent around because this is exactly what I said it our discussion on Amazon which is that a lot of the ideas people have about gentrification are just not actually supported by data. It's a lot of emotion understandably because obviously there are individuals who are harmed but overall overall gentrification is not shown to cause significant displacement of people who live there before it doesn't show that even if people are displaced that their outcomes are worse off and the benefits that brings especially to the children of people who remain there vastly really outweigh any of the negatives so this isn't just say that there are no issues but the idea that gentrification is you know this horrible horrible force. Just there isn't a lot of data back that yeah it was really interesting. Study Study. It's from the The Philadelphia Fed and University of Chicago and one of the things I wrote down my little index card was was the Amazon Queens thing all big mistake. Should Amazon have just come to Queens because the paper does make a very convincing case that gender vacations and basically fine and they looked at data from one hundred Census Tracts comparing two thousand two twenty ten and economic outcomes for the residents and though slightly more people leave when the neighborhood quote unquote gender fries is it's only very slightly and people are always leaving neighborhoods so it's like Henry de and then the kids and the people who stay have a little bit better anyway and the white people who move in have it a lot better which I feel a little. Uncomfortable talking about gentrification 'cause we are three white people talking about gentrification so that's a little uncomfortable and paper doesn't really get into like all the squishy our stuff that Felix An- anna both mentioned about cultural cultural change and the changing tenor of the neighborhood and all that you know and that is one issue where you know in a lot of studies when they they looked at gentrification positive seemed like there's one thing that they do show is that in more gentrified areas you tend to get like more noise complaints once they becoming gentrified now having said that we don't have a breakdown of like who is calling in those complaints but I also feel like but and this is a hard thing to say but I do like neighborhoods change. Yes they always change and that's a good thing I mean there is no such thing as stasis there you declining or you're growing. I mean like and so yes. I think we should try to mitigate harm. Yes I think we should try to like just encourage people to not be jerks in terms of like calling the police on their neighbors but I I don't think the goal should be let's mummify neighborhoods. You know like I think sometimes gentrification discussion. It reminds me a little bit of when we were talking about rezoning and how you get this Nimby ism of people who are like note the neighborhood cannot change us. That's exactly as it was and I know this is different because I know they're different power dynamics. I get that but I also do think there's sometimes as Tennessee to say like well. If anything's changing the neighborhood that's bad in its gentrification and you know sometimes it's just development. It's just change. It's just like there's no stasis I mean there needs to be used to think of it. More holistically I think an and think about some of the zoning stuff we talked about the other week as opposed to just simply thinking like Oh rich white people are moving in and everything's GonNa Change for the worst like think about like. Where are they moving in our they're going to be new luxury housing who gets to live in the housing? How can we make it so more? People can stay because there are so many benefits of making people stay. Maybe you need to have a more of a bigger broader policy outlook to sort of amp up the good stuff going back to the question of Amazon Queens the one of the things which undoubtedly happens with gentrification and is one hundred percent certain to happen with gentrification is complaints about gentrification neighborhood gentrified people are GonNa notice it negative talk about it and there's going to be a lot of people complaining flaming about it whether they're justified or not and Amazon didn't seem to be prepared for that the if Amazon drops into Long Island city in Queens people are going to complain about gentrification that is the most obvious in certain button thing that it will ever happen in the world and so Amazon announces this and then people complained about gentrification an Amazon then picks up his bowl and goes home and says you know what if you're going to complain about it. We're just not going to build here at all and how. How did they see that coming? You know that's just insane. I do agree with you on that. As much as I still think that York did not handle that well. I think you're right that I like. Amazon didn't handle it. Oh I actually don't. I don't know wow okay well. I mean like why would they want to come in like they could build in. You know midtown they could in fact as reports now that they are doing just that hiring a whole bunch two people in your in Manhattan and no one minds because that's what big tech companies do they could have done that no problem but instead they decided to do this huge Don's about we're gonNA come into a you know on gentrified neighborhood or less gentrified neighborhood neighborhood. It's not like Long Island. City isn't gentrifying just late not doing it quite as quickly as it would continue to be identified the with fewer jobs but you know if you're gonNA make a big song events about coming in and effectively gentrifying neighborhood with billions of dollars of investment and in engineering jobs and stuff the first thing you have to expect is complaints about gentrification and if you then complain about the complaints that just seems naive. I'll give you that you can we can we say based on this paper that Amazon could have gone to queens and it would have been fine. Maybe even good yeah. Is that true I think I think there's I can see that Felix. It depends on what you mean by fine. I think it comes back to Anna's point. If Amazon had come to Queens what we're saying it would have gentrified and then the next question is if Queens had gentrified to the degree that provide more as a result of Amazon coming would that have been good or bad and you can do the you know philly fed quantitative analysis of this and say probably it's good or you can do the you know let's do an opinion poll of the constituents and they'll say it's bad and so the question then becomes like how do you judge you know do judge on the way that people think. Could you judge on some kind of objective quantitative analysis money by Felix Okay Sleep. Money is sponsored this week by ditch vicks which will basically help you get dressed in the morning one of those other decisions which is a pain and you don't know where to find your clothes and you don't know what looks good. The thing is that they have expert personal stylists. 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Stitch fix dot com slash slate money and get an extra twenty five percent off when you keep everything in your box that's stitch fixed dot com slash to sleep money stitch fix dot com slash sleet money and let's have a number around in fact. I'M GONNA go first because I haven't Amazon related numbers round and since we were just talking about Amazon my number is ninety ninety four dollars and forty eight cents which is the amount of money during prime day that a bunch of camera equipment started selling for across Amazon which was Super Interesting <hes> I I did this little experiment. I had a bunch of things in my Amazon cut just before Prime Day and it was about two hundred twenty dollars what happens on prime dates like the price of things Amazon and so I'm planning to go into my Amazon cut and the price had gone up to two hundred thirty dollars and the fact facts is the most things on Amazon do not actually drop in price on crime days just a question if like a few very special deals here in there but it turns out probably due to some glitch the a bunch of like insanely expensive cameras here like one thousand two thousand five thousand knows even one lens which was thirteen thousand dollars was being sold for ninety four dollars and forty eight cents and it wound up hitting these like photography forums and people were jumping all over and Amazon looks like it's actually ed shipping. All of these and people who bought thirteen thousand dollar lenses for ninety five bucks a getting them in the mail which is kind of Oh. My favorite bit about this is that there are other stores like best buy which have an official policy of matching any price on Amazon so some people took this right on Amazon took in the best buy in best buy it was like oh I guess I have to tell you this ninety five dollars now I kind of want one of these lenses which I know just to get the deal so my number is two three. Oh six one nine one to what's that okay so as you may know. Alan Turing is now going to be on the thrifty exactly which I think is very cool so if you look at this note there is this like ribbon near his face that has binary code on it and if you kind of do the conversion to decimals what that code actually says in decimals is to three Oh six one nine one two. which is his birthday? Oh that's all. I can't beat that. Well see what Felix things about this one sixty nine million dollars Nice that is the twenty eighteen canned wine sales so canned wine sixty nine million dollars glad that it is that low that is up from two million and in two thousand twelve that is how popular can't wine has now gone from non existent to tiny yes. It's very popular. Sixty nine million light you can in the world of wine is on a big deal like six billion then I'd be like okay that's insane and I didn't write it down but there's also a big burgeoning industry in canned hard seltzer which big thing it's a very big thing that they don't break out can hard seltzer from like other malt beverages so I didn't want that impure number here but hard seltzer big industry cans huge. It's a huge thing though in principle Kanza more environmentally friendly than bottles you can actually recycle them as opposed to when you plastic which recycling actually creates more environmental also like to in terms of the cost of shipping more instagram friendly is I think part of their thing fueling the strength the most instagram family pride. I am generally in favor of new ways of shipping wine boxing wine consuming wine. I love screw caps. I love boxed wine and in principle I have no objection to whine and cans in practice. I have a problem with winning. Can <hes> like I have yet to come across the single Ken wine which actually tastes good and I feel like that's the key one element to why they should pays good also. If a wine comes in a can you generally drink it straight out of the cat and that is not a great way to drink wine because when you're drinking wine it's all about the nose and the smell you put your nosing the glass and that's probably eighty percent of the pleasure you get from drinking wine comes from smelling rather than tasting and you can't really put your nose and they can't really exactly it's hard to into Kansas design. They don't the whole lid doesn't come off. It's just that little a little bit and so if people would just buying cans of wine and opening the mouth and pouring them into wine glasses and the wine was good then I wouldn't have a problem but none of that is true no one's pointing them into wine glasses. The wine line is not good so I'm sad I cannot recommend drinking wine and cans because I would like to be able to but what about hard seltzer which I think is bizarre but I'm interested in ourselves was a big thing in the U.. K. Like twenty years ago Israel's Seltzer so big here now so they wanted you know they want to capitalize on that so they do hard seltzer and my problem is like I was just at a barbecue and there was hard seltzer regular shelter and lots of children and the heart cells are looks a lot like the regular Taylor south. I feel like this is not a good but then my favorite thing is the opposite thing. which is we have to talk about? The liquid death which just liquid death just raised fifteen million dollars they're about it's canned water and this cold liquid death and if you're walking around in the party with a can of liquid death you don't feel stupid in the way that you feel a bit weird if you're walking around in the party with a glass of water and I walk around party says I says water all the time respect respect. I mean you need you need a certain degree of self confidence to Anna has the rest of us. Do not know liquid. Death is a super interesting thing I mean it's laughable on one level but on the other level everyone who's been to to a party with like a case of liquid death his kind of into it who knew that's good okay I think I think that's it for this week so business late money thank you for listening. Thank you to just mean Malaita. Who'd you sing and especially seafood managing to turn that whole Elizabeth Warren discussion into something vaguely coherent congratulations jessa manure superstar? We have a big request for you which is please send in your question. We are going to do a big.

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@DarkSecretPlace Patriots, Scuds, and Nukes... Oh My! Hour1

Dark Secret Place

33:44 min | 4 months ago

@DarkSecretPlace Patriots, Scuds, and Nukes... Oh My! Hour1

"I would bomb the dark secret place with brian suits. Kfi 'em six forty s. A dark secret place live oliva the west coast and on the iheartradio app and and on the interwebs and someone said by the weekly look at the world melting down in someone said. Oh you need to change your intro bro. Because trump's not president anymore. Listen the minute biden. Says i would bomb the s adam. I will change that andro. But that's so classic. I just cannot do that right now so anyway. There's that and i'm finally. I finally merging by the way those oval international stickers that you see on on cars with a you know see for canada or d for deutschland or whenever usa. I did one of those with the dark secret. Place logo of the stylized wolf Biting a knife. And all that. And so i'll put a balloon to that i so i put up a wrong link. I've been it's been sitting there for a couple of days. Then i saw that. Jack dorsey the founder of twitter the founder than the loser and then re founder of twitter today. He put up for sale his first tweet. And this is a new thing. These digital non fungible the t stands for life for instance the nba is selling highlight ten second clips of lebron's best dunk from last night. Or something and you can get in and you can buy a you can buy. Nfc you can buy a piece of that clip and it has a digital id and of course. Yeah you could just rip it off the internet. But they wouldn't have the providence there so you have the rights to it anyway. For some reason people are getting all over this. So now there's a company that sells tweets and jack dorsey sold his first tweet for two point five million. That doesn't mean it comes off twitter but whoever paid that he was an auction thing. Whoever paid that literally owns the tweet. Which i don't i don't quite get to his seat. I scroll to the very beginning. And i see that tweet but somebody owns it and i thought that was nutty singing. Ever heard so. I'm selling tweet this two days ago. Apropos of nothing. I just. I just had a thought strike me. I was talking to some friends about about work and this year and then we are comparing to the army and stuff like that. And i realized i tweeted. This marked fourth on thursday. I said until you've had great leadership. I don't believe you can truly appreciate the bad kind. And that's for sale because w-we not but by the way i defend that because for people who've had bad leadership many times they don't even know it until one day they have great leadership and they realize all this time i've been badly lead But so anyway. I'm just trying to sell. I'm using the same thing that jack dorsey did. Which is v. Sent dot co. It's really bizarre. If you own the tweet it's your account you can link it and so anyway i'll i'll i'll do it. He did will will auction it. Well wants to buy that tweet. He'll own a real tweet from me. You'll own it. I one of the rights to it. And i'll donate everything to the fisher house in long beach fisher. House is my absolute favorite military themed charity day. It's so simple. There's like four people unstaffed that you amazing work. They go around the country they go around the world and they build a large house outside the long beach naval hospital anywhere american troops recovering from war wounds injuries or whatever they build place because the military doesn't fly the family there when your loved one is injured in afghanistan and they're flown to germany. They don't fly you there and when you get there they certainly don't put you up unless you're the spouse and so what fisher house is if you have a loved one and i have a friend a special forces guy. His brother also special forces was evect to launch stool where he died after four days but he lost in a blast. He lost both legs in an arm. Never regained consciousness but his wife and her three boys flew down range and they stated the fisher house. Even though as a spouse they were going to the military could set her up. Didn't want to and so these. These are great things and you go. They're your loved one is being treated rehabbing. Whatever and you can stay in this place where there's a big room bathroom. Big master bedroom. And then you share a common kitchen with other people that are there for the same reason and so the fisher foundation realized that when families like this are in that situation what they'd benefit the most from is associated with other people in the same boat. So fisherhouse does that. It's a great charity. And if if you're the proud winner of the action if you want to own my tweet that'll all go to fisherhouse at long beach because that's what they do. They build these houses and then they move on to the next place to portland to denver to outside any major military base. Then they leave behind an endowment for the maintenance of the house and all that so anyway there there is at and let's see what it see sticker selami to eight and then one more self serving piece of business. Hey producers sam are you. There are are you here. I don't know if you saw this. And by the way folks producer. Sam who cuts up dirt cheap place and puts it up on the iheartradio app. Did you dark sake replaces ban in the top one hundred for sixty nine weeks and iheartradio curates. Four hundred thousand plus. Podcasts apparently promotes every every other one or something. And i've been in the top one hundred dark secret. Places has been the top one hundred sixty nine weeks six eight weeks. Did you see where we were this week. I did not get a chance to look at it by the way. Tony is the one that puts in all the effort with the editing. Because he just has it all running anyways. Look at you being selfless. That's that's leadership number. Two number. Two number two podcasts. In the entire a solid firm number two refreshing to Knowing the number two podcasts and the entire iheartradio app and iheart curates and hosts more podcasts. In anything else more than apple itunes spotify and all that and also dark secret places available on spotify in all that but but number two and all and what's amazing about that is that it's the only radio show in the top one hundred. Well no actually oscar with a daily dive. Another one but Yeah and but It's a repurpose radio show. I'm not. I'm not in some studio talking about true crime. Some murder from thirty years ago that you can google and find out and save yourself ten episodes. Yeah you actually talk about stuff that people want to hear apparently but anyway so Thanks to you. And thanks to tony and also but mainly the people that listened on podcast. I'm sorry you can't listen to kfi on saturday night. But anyway i'm really glad you do. And it's it's humbling and i thank you all for doing that. But it it blew me away. I was i was scrolling up. I start at the bottom. I just wanna beat buck sexton. That's all i care about. I mean it's not a burden. And i want to beat suck betson but i just scroll up and if i hit buck sexton before me i'm like yeah and then like if i hit hannity or something but yeah there you go big face and keep scrolling. I and i got bombed god. I'm now at number twenty. I'm on there. I suck and the page reloaded. And i was number two dark safer places number two so So anyway thank you all very much. It's really really cool. I get out of the blue. I got some phone calls and things from people. I haven't heard from in years and about that and that and so anyway sixty minutes so you'll recall about a year and month ago. The in the aftermath of the assassination of qasim sulaiman e the head of the Islamic revolution regard course could force their overseas. It's a combination of delta force and cia with the twenty thousand guys in this is purely a terrorist force. All they do. And after killing thousands of americans with his iranian bombs in in iraq between two thousand four and two thousand twelve. He's been on the pentagon's esl for a long long time ryan's hitlist and so finally he gets whacked. Right and iran goes radio silent for a couple of days and we're trying to figure out how they can retaliate and to me. It was pretty obvious that iran was going to do one or two things they were going to use their militias in iraq to strike american targets the green zone or american bases with the with short battlefield rockets with like a twenty kilometer range. Something like that. The ones that they hit earlier this week with and then hit last month then killed the american contractor up in bill but then a year ago. And i'm pretty sure. I can go back in the archive and that was also talking about the fact that iran is fully capable of launching medium range ballistic missiles however. That shouldn't be a problem because surely we have patriot missiles in baghdad or at the airbase. Because why wouldn't we with run next door unpredictable irrational and they're giving out medium range ballistic missiles to the who th-this to shoot at riyadh like they did last saturday night and i thought well way people way smarter than me or in the pentagon and in centcom central command saying hey we better request a patriot battery be setup to baghdad or l. Assad a time now post taste because that's the only thing that can intercept ballistic missiles. 'cause we know this from the gulf war and i know this from the gulf war. 'cause i got missile. I was in riyadh and we got missile. Saddam was shooting scuds at us and the patriots. Ooh coin toss about fifty percent effective but fifty percent is better than none So tell you what sixty minutes did. A thing on it. I was struck by something. That general mackenzie centcom commander said. I'm really really wondering why he said it. A play for you when we come back because it's it's not my takeaway from that sixty minutes last sunday night. Kfi am six forty a secret. Place live everywhere on the iheartradio app. I apologize for getting involved in this stupid thing in in nf t. f. F. t. n. nfc non fungible trades. Or whatever sorry about that people. I didn't know this yet to have a blockchain bitcoin wallet and all this crap of course. That's what jack dorsey. The bearded bearded rumored to be very very stinky founder of twitter. Did so anyway. If you wanna play the game you can. I don't i just someone tipped me off to said quote god. Damnit sued some trying to find trying to put a five or on it. But it's asking for some frigging crypto. And then i went. Yes it is so don't do it. Just don't do it. Don't do it unless you unless you have. Bitcoin or crypto. All right so sixty minutes did a follow up on the iran ian missile attack on the l. Asad airbase about a year in a month ago. It happened just a few days. After the assassination of qassem soleimani ahead of the iranian could force because they didn't really explain it on sixty minutes. Centcom central command. You know is the middle east plus afghanistan. Their headquarters are in tampa. Yes we have a very very expensive. Us navy base in bahrain and then the foreword commanders in qatar. But the four star. General mackenzie marine general. He's physically sitting in tampa. Kay he he makes the call locally remember a year ago this guy named donald j trump was president and trump very effectively delegated authority for things. Like killing qassem. Soleimani to the centcom commander to mackenzie. And he made that call. You know from from tampa and the whole deal and sixty minutes. Didn't explain this but theater. Commanders pacific command european command africa command. They're all four star flag officers pacific command right. Now it's an admiral your european command. I want to say it's an air force general but all four star and the way it works. Is they answer to the president. They don't answer to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. He is the chair of the joint chiefs of staff each service. Commander there the chief of staff the chief of naval operations chief of staff the air force and all that they believe. Believe it or not if you don't know this they don't outrank a theater commanders. So the theater commanders. Chain of command is mackenzie in tampa trump in washington k. The theater commander can say. I need a carrier here like a month or two weeks. Our the nearest carrier needs to divert and come to the persian gulf. They have that kind of authority. They can request it from the president right and a theater. Commander has the authority to say. Hey i gotta get some patriot missiles down range here at baghdad or al assad because iran is a credible ballistic missile threat. They sell them. They sent him to the who who shoot at riyadh. They might retaliate with missiles. Because that's what i assume they would do. That would be worse case. Scenario year ago we were talking about that more more probable shooting. A bunch of shorter-range rockets. So anyway this is part of the story here is first of all. They're talking to the ground. Allison has an infantry battalion guarding its way out there amber province desert around and this is the infantry battalion commander saying something correct and there's a lieutenant colonel from the air force saying something incorrect and we call this sixty minutes cut one shot any have any defense against missiles nassar. It was such an unprecedented threat. I don't think it was ever calculated So the the capability to prevent a ballistic missile attack. It wasn't there. Did you have a plan for what to do we. We came up with a plan. The only real defense against ballistic missile attack is to get out of harm's way air force. Colonel stacy coleman and the rest of god did. She miss the part of studying war. Were you studied the gulf war. He had a kind of right. The defense wasn't there he. He's he wasn't quite on the party. Line that there's no defense against ballistic missiles. I have news for her. I would have employed that method in one thousand nine hundred riyadh. I worked in riyadh. But i was so we're patriot. Missiles that is what they're designed to do extreme high altitude aircraft fast aircraft and incoming ballistic missiles. Were they perfect will be. Were consuming the domestic news here in the west. You would've thought they were there. You know that the patriots were not perfect there were plenty of scud missiles and got through the saudis control the information so when a scud missile hit a girls school in riyadh. You didn't hear about it. I couldn't get on the phone and call home about it. But it did. Because we weren't gonna tell saddam we weren't going to give him his battle damage assessment then of course. The most famous incident was when twenty-eight reserves were killed in dhahran in a warehouse that was set up as a as a barracks with scud. Missile hit that that warehouse and killed twenty eight people. Patriots have gotten amazingly better since then to the point where the south koreans make them on license japanese. Make him unlicensed. The israelis have a us army unit. Sitting there in israel with patriots. Yes they work. I had i assumed there was one sitting there The the general mackenzie spoke as well. We'll play that we come back. It's a dirty peeling an onion. That stank last sunday. I smelled a rat onion retention. It is kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Always waiting for that song do something. That's why i let it. Let it breathe. If i am sick twenty. It is the place. Sincere here. Phil eleven By the way. I've been holding off on this for a long time. But for war hollick's for our number three winston churchill. Had this thing about brilliant guys men and women and in britain called boffins and basically if it was world war two elon. Musk would be a boffin. You know obviously a technical genius and innovator and all that and he empowered these guys some of them were charlatans were clown shows and some of them absolutely punched above their way. And so. i'll tell you a couple of the of the most prominent of churchill's boffins and what the invented. What they did and other there was this guy that wanted to have manmade icebergs with a flat top to operate his airfields in the middle of the atlantic for big airplanes escort convoys and he was this close to make it work believe it or not anyway so sixty minutes last sunday revisiting the january twenty twenty iranian missile attack in the al. Asad airbase again. Nobody was killed the oddly. Enough the all the helicopters and air fixed wing aircraft and drones. That were on the base. Were moved there was so much advance. Notice that everybody was in bunkers win in all this and so there are over pressure traumatic brain injury and things like that. And that's what. I got in iraq in two thousand five the the main component of traumatic brain injury is the over pressure that closer yard to the bang. The more that so. And so general. Mackenzie from tampa. Who was the centcom. Commander was sort of the the main guy telling the story to sixty minutes. And so how did he know that this was coming. And the men and he said what he's about to say my my head cocked and i went. If that's true. Why are you revealing it on sixty minutes and that indicates to me that that's probably not true but anyway this is his explanation to sixty minutes of of how they got advanced in cut to the drummer's headquarters in tampa general. Frank mackenzie had tried to time. The evacuation just bright. If you go to early you risk the problem that the enemy will see what you've done and adjust his plans. The iranians monitored al assad by purchasing photos like these taken by commercial satellites. Mackenzie waited until after iran had downloaded it. It's last picture for the day. So the last time and the iranians took with their commercially acquired spy photos. What would they seem noticing airplanes on the ground of people working so when they launch those missiles they thought that was going to be a full flight on. I think they expected to destroy a number of years aircraft and to kill a number of us servicemembers. How clever right not true. I mean it's so clumsily. Not true. I it made me immediately. Wonder why would he be revealing that source and method on tv and could his staff not give them a better lie there of of course. I've no surprise winning emmy award winning sixty minutes journalist but i do know the world of commercially available satellite imagery because i subscribe to a couple like digital globe. And all that. And then there's ones where you ask for the imagery use zoom in. You crop what you want and you say how much sometimes it's nine hundred bucks. Sometimes it's twenty five bucks or something right but the commercial satellite imagery companies Their satellites are on a polar orbit of the earth is rotating underneath them and they. They can't cover you know you can't send it somewhere in other words you can't say get that thing to japan it. It might not pass over japan for seventy two hours and so and you can order it to do that anyway. All all you do. Is you go and find what you want for the latest entry. You can go find your house and you can find A shot from from maybe monday. Maybe monday before last. That's how that works okay. Well i didn't do this legwork. Jeffrey lewis from the Middlebury institute up in monterey. It's a nuclear proliferation. Study institute he. He is a subject matter. Expert about nuclear proliferation. Ballistic missiles open source satellite stuff. And all that. He's the first one who pointed out the latest picture of airbase available to anybody whether it was iran or me was taken more than a week before the iranians launch. The general mackenzie story would. Have you believe that somebody is monitoring an ip from iran. And seeing what they're ordering from digital globe or one of the other commercial satellite companies. Well as i say. None of the commercially available. Satellite companies had more updated imagery than one week before the attacks. His story that well we saw the latest shot that they were accessing and it would have shown aircraft on the tarmac in and the whole thing and the point he was making was if he had moved. The aircraft too soon than the iranians would know that the jig is up. And it's patently false and it's because i guess we don't want the iranians to deduce what they probably have already deduced and that is that clearly we have sources in the iranian command structure. Or we have the ability and this is not a well kept secret. We have the ability to hoover up. Listen real time to their phone conversations. And if we don't the israelis do that's how we got the heads up. Let me you've been hearing me for a year talking about the fact that the aircraft were gone and everybody was in a bunker and the the main injuries were over-pressuring blast no shrapnel and So i'm still really confused. Why sixty minutes even did that follow up because we quite literally knew all this year ago. Now there's this extra layer where i'm wondering. Why would he do this. Elaborate kabuki dance about monitoring the iranians using commercial satellites when there was no such photo available and this all say in the prior break. You're the theater commander. You can rob a patriot. Missile from europe feel free. They'll be glad to put it on four c. Seventeen flights and get it to you in twelve hours. Why wasn't there a patriot. Missile battery there. I mean we pour billions thing since i relied on a to protect me and it only was fifty fifty at the time. Even though the the media image and ninety one was that the patriots were were swatting all of saddam's scuds. But yeah plenty of got plenty of them but the joke in saudi arabia. If you don't know this most of the hard work and medical work and all that done by foreign citizens called ex patriots so the joke was at the only thing that worked in saudi arabia where patriots and expatriate see get at patriot missile. But anyway you know thirty years later. Yeah the patriot. Missile is different bird. It might look the same on the outside. But it's very effective. And if the iranians shoot fourteen ballistic missiles issued twenty-eight patriots or maybe maybe try fifty six but it was just it cleared nothing up for me and it just made me wonder what is it. They're trying to conceal. I also got the feeling that a sixty minutes made that out to be like the most serious incident of the use of ballistic missiles. And i was waiting for them to mention ninety. Eight permian ninety one. Twenty eight army reserves were killed by a single scud missile in a warehouse in dhahran saudi arabia because the patriots didn't work every time. Now they do work far better but they did work half the time then even then if only fifty percent of those missiles were shut down only seven would have hit all of a sudden but just to me. It was as they say. In in soccer was an own-goal it was a necessary and really cumbersome weird elaboration of something that fell apart within forty eight hours on twitter and online amongst experts. So now we're just trying to figure out why who what staff puke gave him that crappy story. We'll be back right after this. It is darcy replace. Brian suits in here until eleven. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. If i am six forty is the dark secret place here. For the sixth of march twenty twenty one and there seems to be a ping pong game between the united states. The biden administration iran. Happening right. now we'll we'll over the iranian militias versus biden foreign policy. Here are the top of the hour but the dynamic behind the scenes the biden administration announcing sort of publicly a a new reset with the saudi government. Our relationship with saudi arabia is to be different than it was in the trump administration and this was Sort of set up in the first phone call. When president biden insisted speaking to king salman who is not in charge of the day to day running of saudi arabia. Now that he has been for the past ten years but because his son the crown prince mohammed bin salman. Nbs has been taking over the the reins of power and every head of state in the world deals with mvsa. They know that he's the one making decisions. And that's why his father made him the The crown prince so that is almost a cosmetic change. But apparently there's something Far more fundamental going on behind the scenes with israel and saudi arabia and biden administration and the asia times which has some Some great tortoises and an inside info Their story israel and biden on an apparent collision course comes on the heels of the israeli minister of defense. Bennigan's told fox news and this is about two days ago. I if you go down my twitter timeline or t. l. You can you can find this clip. But he brought basically classified documents to a fox interview and it was isreaeli imagery of hezbollah positions in lebanon hezbollah was created by iran funded equipped by iran trained by iran directed by iran. And the whole thing. Your entire purpose is putting pressure on israel on behalf of iran and so is rarely ministered fence. Gones didn't bother hiding this imagery knowing full. Well that iran is going to see this report that are going to see what he was waving around. Fox pixelated it out but what he certain in the interview with pretty remarkable he said we are refining our plan to hit the iranian nuclear facilities that are most crucial to them making a bomb. That's how because the question was well. Do you have that. The biden administration is gonna come out of iran with a better nuclear deal than the obama. Administration's naive and disastrous. Jcp la joint commission plan of action iran. Nuclear deal he said basically. I'll tell you how much faith i have. We're refining our plan. We're updating it and by that by the way the implication there that you're supposed to figure out is that they're integrating saudi forces in this. If israel struck iran wouldn't be purely israeli operation at the very minimum the saudis would assist or allow them to use. Saudi bases would refuel israeli aircraft over saudi airspace. And the whole thing. Because they could so they could avoid going through iraq but that that's a diplomatic message to biden which is hey your predecessors predecessor just like the administration. You a part of the for eight years if you try to replicate that bad deal. We reserve the right to self defense. And so we'll we'll see where the biden diplomacy is going. So far they're they're they're putting a premium on just getting to zurich and having arranged sitting across the table. That's how desperate they are right now and javad zarif the foreign minister of iran. Yup the same one who's moved negotiated the deal with the obama administration. He knows that there is nothing in it for them to say yes to quickly. Despite his rhetoric about eventually attaining improve nuclear deal washington seems incredibly naive after frittering frittering away economic leverage over iran. The is unlikely to reach any follow up agreement with iran that addresses the previous weaknesses. The us has promised to consult israel and its arab allies in this regard but israel is not expecting much of a real consultation and just because they seen this act before during the obama administration. Saudi arabia the people most affected by an iranian nuclear program are iran's neighbors and they were not consulted and they were not at the table. France was the table. Germany was at the table but the people who are iran's neighbors were not even invited to zurich all right when we come back. Yeah what is next. Now we've traded bombs for rockets with the iranian militias. That are headquartered in syria and iraq. So what's next. It's the darker to kfi am six forty hour number two coming up right if this live everywhere on the iheartradio app.

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@DarkSecretPlace Patriots, Scuds, and Nukes... Oh My! Hour3

Dark Secret Place

30:15 min | 4 months ago

@DarkSecretPlace Patriots, Scuds, and Nukes... Oh My! Hour3

"The darker secret place with brian suits on kfi kfi am six forty. It is our number three of the dark secret place bryan suits here until eleven then goes weekends so for this hour we call it. Were hollick we. We do a deep dive into stuff and junk and this is a subject near and dear to me. I love the subject of in world war. Two winston churchill understood the grave state. That england was in until america entered the war and so he put a lot of trust in the defense of britain. In the hands of what were called. Boffins this is a obscure but but Common a british term that means super super smart person Elon musk would be a boffin. In churchill's one thousand nine hundred forty england bill gates would be boffin and these these in the eccentric. English sense are brilliant inventors and scientists who just might be the savior of britain and at a time when Money was not limited and britain was alone in the world and so churchill put trust in a whole bunch of different people. Some some of whom came through with very concrete direct contributions to britain's defense and later the allied victory in world war two others were just utter charlatans and but the problem is that churchill oftentimes gave trust or believed in some of the charlatans and was very skeptical about some of the real deal. So there's there's a couple. There was a chap name. Rv jones. i'll tell you about him a Hand down genius and innovator at a guy who directly contributed to britain's defense. There was an australian chap by the name of sidney cotton who invented who made britain's first reconnaissance area reconnaissance squadron punch above. Its weight that was another very very eccentric guy by the name of geoffrey pyke who wanted to send send men from ships to shore in pipelines and he wanted to make gigantic aircraft carriers out of icebergs things like that. But what are the guys early on. Who was very influential to. Churchill was a swedish chap. By the name of frederick lindemann and lindemann was what we would call a physicist today but at the time it was a physical philosophy. He somehow had cajoled his way into cambridge. I should say into oxford and he was called experimental philosophy. That would physics at the time. It was said that he was a man of great controversy. some gave him credit for establishing oxford. As the second best physics school in the country others gave him credit for establishing cambridge as the very best because he chased people away from oxford. Who are the best students and professors A scientist novelist. C p snow said quote. He was an amateur among professionals. Which is how the head of the cambridge laboratory. Rutherford always regarded him. He they go on. He had many foibles. Here was one quote to those he liked. He was generous helpful and entertaining against those. Who displeased him. He waged a vendetta. He looked with contempt on jews and colored people. He was arrogant and impervious to argument when his mind was made up yet. He was good company. Went into the mood. Never both full of the chievements and a loyal frank lows. Well one of the things that he did was he built up his own. Legend and churchill began liking him because he was approximately turtles age and he was good company and he drank and he laughed at churchill's jokes and linden was just smart enough to be the smartest guy in the room. Unless these other boffin showed up and lindemann allowed a myth to develop that early on in aviation pioneering days that he invented the method for an aircraft to come out of a spin early on by one thousand nine hundred spins aviators all around the world. The united states england where people were flying. They were finding out if an airplane stalled. and it wasn't controlled a very quickly. The plane would no longer have lift effect and we just start spinning like a maple leaf pod and it killed you know. Hundreds of people and linneman allowed this myth to develop that he invented the method by which you could recover from a spin. That many many aviators trying to pull up on the stick as aircraft was diving earthward in a spin. It would try to pull up on the stick and lindemann had worked out that actually. If you push down on the stick and force the elevator to push the nose even steeper dive. You would get at least more airflow over the wings and then you could control the spin with the rudder and then you would get airplane defect again and you could then on the stick and you would you would live to tell the tale and the legend was at. He learned how to fly and then he took a training aircraft up to fourteen thousand feet a biplane and he pulled back on the stick stalled it got it into a spin and he figured well this is it. You know i'm dying anyway. I'm going to try my theory out. And he pointed pointed the nose down and he got that speed increase and the resulting lift. And then he pulled back on the stick and blah blah blah. problem was. The story was complete balloon. Juice was pure fiction the the chap who actually taught him how to fly said quote. The legend has been perpetrated. A professor lindemann pioneered the spin the technique of recovery. He never did anything to contradict this story. But it is just invention close quote. That was by the way lord herald belfer who went on to be the permanent under secretary air staff and he was a flying instructor in the royal flying cole. Nineteen fifteen but that was the problem. Is that people believe this about linda including churchill and he never corrected them. It was sort of a lie by omission. Lindemann going into the late thirties And then into the battle of britain churchill was not the prime minister and then he was the prime minister. Lindan was an advocate for death rays. He believed that money should be poured into raf death-ray that would be aimed skyward and it. Would it would kill or stop. The hearts of incoming enemy airmen lou fafa pilots and all this and he was absolutely positive that death-ray could be developed and to his credit. Churchill gave him money to look into that and it was. It was only when the prewar vision of sir hugh doubting who had funded the invention of radar who had funded the development of the spitfire. And then who had come up with the system of of information coming to a central repository where people could make decisions based on real time. Dr and things like that is only. When doubting showed that his methods were effective that churchill said sorry little chap it's not going to be a ray all right when we come back another guy with a mixed record. Geoffrey pyke very eccentric chap never wore shoes in wanted to make gigantic airfields out of icebergs in the middle of the atlantic. Oh but he did invent or can conceive of a very successful project moral to tell you about that right after this. It is dirk secret place. Our number three bryan suits here until eleven. Kfi am six forty kfi am. Six forty is the dirt secret place. Our number three talking about churchill's world war two boffins the genius scientists and inventors and sometimes if pure charlatans who churchill believed would find secret ways to win world war two so lindemann. The swedish charlatan contribute anything to britain's defence of world war. Two but one guy who did was reginald. Victor jones jones jones graduated from oxford with a phd in physics. A genius from a mile away by he graduated in thirty two by nineteen thirty six. He was actually working in the air ministry. The royal aircraft establishment farnborough working on problems associated with defending britain from an air attack by nineteen. Thirty six. it was. It was sort of an article of faith that the next war would be fought by bombers which could still fly faster than fighters nineteen thirty six and that they would be dropping poison gas. So radar had famously been funded and invented in in britain though. They called it radio direction. Finding will jones noticed that strips of foil had in in effect on radar it could actually create an artificial what looks like a reason storm on a on a oscilloscope that that was a radar scopes at the time. And and maybe the enemy. If you use it in the offense the enemy would think it was another formation of bombers and so that is what led to today's chaff chaff has count has saved hundreds of lives of american and british pilots in the gulf war and vietnam israeli pilots Being pop flares chef is is a countermeasure to enemy infrared and in this case radar directed missiles but his real contribution was in what was called the the battle of the beams. The germans were riding german bombers at night. Were writing a radio beam. They had an instrument in their bombers. That told them you're too high or too low. You're too left to right. And it was called nickelbein and he had theorized this and they found the beam and he came up with the jammer that was able to bend the beam enough that the bombers for several years rather for many months were going off course without even knowing it and dropping their bombs at night on open fields the germans later on came up when they finally did discover that they were being jammed. They came up with a new system. With two beams. One of them. At the far west of france the other one in holland right and so you would ride the one beam and stay on signal and then when you got close to the other beam where it crossed the beam that you're writing you'd get a very brief signal that was your bombs away. Jones had brilliantly anticipated that the germans would first of all discover that they were jamming the single beam system that they would come up with a second system like that and so they did the same thing he he went on to work as a self taught ballistic missile expert as the germans. In the summer of nineteen forty four began the v. two rocket blitz the second blitz. He tried to come up with the countermeasures. For an incoming hypersonic v two missile and there were none but anyway he was appointed chair of the of natural philosophy. The university of aberdeen. He was appointed commander of the order of the british empire. He was loud and decorated and the cia in one thousand nine hundred eighty the established the rv jones intelligence award meaning technical intelligence science and technical and tell them to say a brilliant man who had direct contributions to the british war effort as well as saving the lives of british people. Rv jones. a great boffin when we come back a m a very eccentric guy he has contribution so the accidental some of them on purpose. Geoffrey pyke when we come back. Another of churchill's boffins it. is darcy. Replace brian until eleven. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Is our number three of the artsy. Replace brian suits in here until eleven or a helicopter going. Over some of the more prominent boffins said churchill employed early war to to as britain was standing alone against nazi germany boffins of courses a british term. Meaning innovator genius inventor guy. I think the best example If it were world war two elon. Musk would be a boffin. So in other guy was named geoffrey pyke and he was. He came from humble background and but a genius of the man educated in physics engineering. A natural inventor and natural innovator in fact before the outbreak of war in europe in september nineteen thirty nine pike. who who was not a mathematician had had pioneered a a sort of scheme to do secret polling in germany. Because he was right if you could secretly pull the german people and and not let them know it was a british opinion. Poll and the german government would not no. He wanted to know what. What's the real appetite for war amongst the german people are the newsreels to be believed. And all this it was. It was eyebrow raising but it didn't result in the conclusion that he had begun with that that surely the german people having bend a war a very costly war. Twenty years ago don't want to go to war again. The results worthy average german did wanted to go did want to go to war but anybody he was sort of on the radar of the british intelligencia that There's this there's this chap and he's an innovator and he's an inventor so In nineteen forty between the outbreak of war and the germans of running poland and the outbreak of the battle of france and may of nineteen forty. The germans invaded scandinavia. Denmark and norway. Norway was now a flank. It was a front in the a franco anglo-franco versus germany war. So pike invented a snow machine pike had this conception that britain should put a independent brigade of royal marines in the middle of norway and tied down the nazi army but they would need machines to get around and the machines would look like a tracked armored personnel carrier but instead of tracks they would have sort of a helix screw in other words imagine would screw lying on its side two of those parallel right well. Those be the tracks and they would be spinning. Contra rotating in inwards against each other and this would provide mobility on the snow and it was sort of an elaborate way to test his invention but his concept of a standalone commando force that had mobility the british did like the problem was british To manit and so it was handed off the united states and canada. And this was something called operation plough. And that's what led to the famous first special service force as well as a very successful allied military vehicle called the weasel and the weasel was the first dedicated and fabius tracked vehicle. It was a canadian invention then It was refined on the united states. And it was used by the us army into the seventies but the first special service force that original concept of putting a independent commando brigade in the middle of norway. It was handed to the americans when we entered the war General marshall handed it to an american lieutenant. Colonel by the name of robert t frederick and he deemed the idea absolutely harebrained idiotic and unworkable. Nevertheless they handed it to an american officer who went to britain and he and he had to work hand in hand with pike to work on this idea and he disliked jeffrey pike so much that he was absolutely on suited for the job. He was removed. And lieutenant. colonel. Frederick was asked again. What about the program. What about the ideas unworkable. And he said all of it and he was informed well. Congratulations you're in command And he went on to lead the what was sort of the model of modern special operations. The first special service force pike had very little to do with it After that point because pike and moved onto his next great idea and let me introduce you to pike crete. py k. r. e. e. like concrete but geoffrey pike. Pike discovered that if you mix wood fiber in the form of sawdust or larger chunks are even smaller chunks into supercooled water. You could then spray it in two forms. You could make defenses if you wanted. And his grand scheme was to make a pipe crete aircraft carrier in the middle of the atlantic that you would construct something that begins life far below freezing and so if you made it out of a huge amount of supercooled water you can make something as big as an iceberg. Only it would be as flat as a billiard table right. so why do you need that. Well now you have an unsinkable. Aircraft carrier and unlike an aircraft carrier which is limited to the size and type of aircraft that can embark and operate off it. You could actually take long range bombers and put it on the gigantic. Pike crete airfield and his idea is well maybe you would have two or three of these in the atlantic forming a chain so that way there would be an unbroken air covered umbrella as convoys. Were leaving the eastern. Us or canada. Obviously they were vulnerable to u boats. But now you would have the pike crete gigantic aircraft carriers with dozens probably hundreds of aircraft. There would be feel. That would be barracks in chow halls in the whole thing. And you can have twenty four hour air cover for the convoys. The idea of the scale of the idea though was so huge he was told the scale it down and he finally came up with. Well what if we had gunboats for the invasion of france. The idea never took off never never did anything His his last scheme was that moving material from ship to shore was very laborious. Took a longtime lot of man. What if everything was moved through a pipeline including the men. Yes including the men you could. You could put equipment in small sort of pellet like encasements and you could just shoot equipment ammunition by pipeline onto the beach and then you could make about a two foot wide pipeline and you can have the men in pods might be sedated or given barbituates or something and they can be delivered inland. But that was that idea. Luckily the men and pipes idea luckily died of silence. Much to to know. Nobody chagrin whatsoever. The man was a endless flow of inventions. The war ended and the last big thing he was on because coal was in shortage after world war. Two but sugar was not and he said well. What if on every commuter railway that was a wagon that had twenty to thirty men on bicycles generating electricity and they would be given a high fructose t and things like that and that idea never went anywhere anyway on the twenty first of february nineteen forty eight in steals road hamster Shaved his famous. He had this giant grizzly adams beard his hygiene was not the best anyway. He shaved his beard consumed a bottle of sleeping pills. His landlady found his body. The following monday. The corner gave a verdict of suicide at moment of mental unbalance. A bitch london times said quote the death of geoffrey pyke removes one of the most original if unrecognized figures of the present century geoffrey. Pyke all right when we come back. Sidney cotton a brilliant guy who was also a stick and rudder man. He was not afraid to get his his hands dirty. And we'll learn about sidney cotton when we come back and see secret place warhol hundred three. Brian shoots back we're type. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Cave am six forty is dirk replace last time here remember tomorrow night super local sunday at eight pm and as always you can go to connect powell dot com dark secret place and subscribe to the private podcast. Dark secret place as many hundreds of you do and i thank you very much. Our last boffin is a little more of a man of action. This was sidney cotton and australian-born on a tattle range in one thousand nine hundred four a man of action as mind and hands. He had patents australian patents by the time he was eighteen or nineteen. He went to britain after the outbreak of world. War one and enlisted in the royal naval air service and was after five hours of solo. flying was ready for combat. That's how they did it back. We're one so after five hours solo. He was ready to fight and he but his mind was still worked as an inventor. He he had. He built his own car back in australia when he was sixteen. Or seventeen and some of the techniques that he invented were passed onto to british carmakers. And in so harry was Just a little over twenty and a royal navy pilot and he invented a firing turret for for his aircraft so that he could fly underneath german zeppelin's and attack them from beneath they. Of course they had. The german zeppelin's actually had gunners they had gun pits. On the on the roof of zeppelin's they had opened manned anti-aircraft guns so the technique was to attack from below underneath it so he invented a remotely operated mechanical. Not electrical remotely operated turret and things like that. But what what was really interesting about him was They would fly at the time at relatively high altitudes of up to ten thousand feet or more the oxygen gets thinner in really really bad weather and nobody had thought of making a huge baggy unitary jumpsuit. That a man could could zip himself into and then button up with a double breast and all that and so. He was from sheep country in australia and he knew how to work wool and he went to a taylor in west cornwall where he was stationed and he described what he wanted and even blade down a bunch of money and they came up with a prototype suit and he took it up and everyone else in the squadron's said how do i get one of those. So he patented it and it was called the sid. Kat this was sidney. Cotton and the suit was called a sid kat suit and it was immediately adopted by the royal navy the royal flying corps the us army air corps when when no when we got to europe in nineteen seventeen. He was promoted. He had problems with senior leadership. He resigned his commission in one nine hundred nineteen but the sid katsu and by the way. He gave away the patent he he. He didn't want any royalties he just wanted his chaps to be warm and they were flying. The sid cut sued was was so popular and so successful that on the day he was shot down. The baron manfred von richthofen. The red baron was wearing a sid kat suit by by that time the word had gotten out to the to the germans that someone had come up that the The tommy said come up with something so good that you had to have it. And so he found a way maybe from a prisoner or something but he found a way to get a sid katsuta. And that's what he was killed in on the day. The red baron was shot down so in the inter-war period he loved aviation and he. He invented aerial photography as his his business. He literally invented this business that he would go around the world charging for aerial surveys of your country. Your borders your beaches. Whatever and he became very very successful and so by by nineteen thirty six thirty seven he was approached by the british six to maybe go do some aerial photography there in germany and germany germany by thirty six thirty seven thirty eight had huge off limits areas to aircraft. You couldn't fly in them and take photographs and so he went in undercover of his business The arrow film and he was he was able as a former world war one aviator he was able to get the attention of of Albert kesselring who by then lewis wafa general in a world war one pilot and he actually got to go on a joy ride he had a lockheed lockheed ventura to an engine ventura and he took kesselring up the ventura. And what kesselring did know. Was that sidney. Cotton had fitted the lockheed before he visited germany with remotely operated like a cameras in the wing tips and the fuselage and so as kesselring took the controls he was able to take pictures of templehof airport in berlin but then he flew over classified liftoff training areas and airbases and sidney cotton was able to surreptitiously take pictures that he passed onto. Mix when the September thirty nine when the war broke out. Sidney cotton provided aerial photographs. And he was commissioned nearly on the spot as a as a wing commander wing commander cotton the first camouflage unit and that was a bit of camouflaging itself it was actually the royal airforce and six investing in aerial photography. He was sent with his newly formed squadron including his own personal aircraft lockheed ventura and then a beechcraft. He was sent forward to france where he was able to photograph german military preparations and things like that. Leading up to the invasion of france the germans invaded may have nine hundred forty. He got his people out squadron out but he he he made the model. He's he's he sort of set the standard for aerial reconnaissance which became our af special reconnaissance. Sidney cotton your final boffin. Well anyway those are some of your boffin. Some of your more interesting boffins. The world war two. Some of them contributed others Did not That is our number three again tomorrow. Night super sunday here at eight o'clock we'll talk about that new stimulus check. When are you going to get that. that moore kfiam640.com coast weekends next live everywhere on the iheartradio app.

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"The darker secret place with brian suits. Kfi number two kfi am darcy. Place live everywhere on the iheartradio app. And if you're listening via podcasts we thank you anyway for you. The i al. Asad airbase in western iraq was the site of another rocket attack. This one in retaliation to the biden administration bombing a headquarters for a militia iraqi militia in syria and that was in retaliation for that militia firing rockets at that airbase and and others on this attack on wednesday one. Us contractor was killed. According to jen psaki she said that the us contractor quote suffered a cardiac episode while sheltering it from attacks and died shortly afterwards. Another heart attack. he was. It was probably more running. You never done in twenty years and and this happened a contractor death. It's somebody who's retired from the military and they can barely fit in lower their vast in all that so it's not a casualty of the actual context though it does go down as that. So what what happens now is that they bite administration said we will pick and choose our time of response that the the white house warned that. Us may consider a military response to the rocket attack that hitting airbase in western iraq were american and coalition troops are housed. Nolan claimed responsibility for the attack. The first since the us struck iran aligned militias targets along the iraq syria border last week by the way they were british are british at al assad and two danes so the danish foreign minister ahead to release a statement as well dany foreign minister. Yep a kofoed said quote despicable attacks against i l asad. Airbase in iraq are completely unacceptable. Close quality danish armed forces said to danes who were at the base of the time of the attack are unharmed and so was it disdain disdain. Don't look at them with this name. So the deal is. Here's here's how this works. We have to go back a little bit. The invasion of isis into iraq and because we gave isis a safe space to get away from our bombing in syria. That was a mistake along nevertheless the we did it. Isis goes into iraq. Because why no one's getting bombed there and it. It was a narrow margin that iraq was overrun but the islamic state. But who did come to the rescue. Unfortunately before we did was iran iran pours in with a bunch of money and they said hey guys were put band back together. Remember when you all banded together and we paid you and supplied and trained you to kill americans while now to kill some sunni fundamentalist islamic state so they they got the old shia ban back together and basically set up a parallel army in iraq. It was a two year fight. It was a hard fight but the the iraqi government the elected iraqi government did turn to us and say. Can you please. Because when when obama. Pulled all the americans out of iraq the iraqis said well we were just negotiating when we said that you guys have to be responsible in our criminal courts and And all that. They didn't really mean pack up and leave but we did so the iraqi said. Can we get the trainers back. Can we get actual combat units back and we need your helicopters and airplanes whole thing and so with american air support and coordination the iraqi army Reinvented itself from the ground. Up became far more professional and competent and was responsible for pushing isis. Out of mosul is really good documentary. That came out about a year ago about that. Really striking amazing accessed. Meanwhile there's this parallel power structure. It's an alternate army. And iran is on the ground in iraq with this iranian backed militia. These iranian backed militias and when isis has gone and maybe the guy should go back home and go back to their jobs. they don't they. Don't stand down. Iran continues paying for them. The iraqi army indicates to their government. Hey there's one army for this country were at and we really don't appreciate iranians running around with this kind of influenced dictating how the government should be should act going forward with isis and all that so the iranians effectively colonized iraq at least the shia parts of iraq. So we fast forward to two thousand twenty one and the iranian backed militias find it really difficult to actually operate in iraq because the iraqi army doesn't like them and the kurds really don't like him operate up north and they they can. They cannot operate in western iraq. Or it's heavily shia And the iraqi army is out there and present and the whole thing so they do the next best thing going ncua. Ron would be a bit too obvious. Even though loads and loads of them go there for training and the whole thing but they would be way too obvious for them to be executing combat operations from iran. 'cause then there'd be no deniability what they do is they have set up headquarters just inside syria. And so what these guys did was they. As the crow flies the border-crossing position the shortest way by highway from all saw the syrian border. It's about ninety miles. And the rockets they fired have about a twenty kilometer range twenty thirty kilometer ridge so what they did do was. They found a way to drive into iraq in darkness in the dead of night. This these rockets hit like at one thirty. Am and they they come in. And they the leave behind a truck of a rocket launching truck and they will set it up and they'll cite it out and they have their compass. They know that. Al assad is zero eight nine degrees magnetic from where we are. And that it's of three hundred and seventy feet below us from our firing position and so we need to The the azimuths on the rockets needs to be this and the weather is they set it all up. But i don't like to do that. They set it all up and then they fire them remotely and then they leave. When how do we know that. Because that's their mo we saw it in certain two thousand four two thousand five in the iraqis founded. There's footage of burning truck out in the desert basically sacrificed truck. There's famous footage from two thousand four mounted rockets on a donkey cart but then they launched the rockets and the the pictures are of the donkey with its hair. Cinched said if you're smoking 'cause it just had rockets launched off. Its trailer off his donkey cart. So anyway they Get back in there other trucks and they last back to syria. What what they can't figure out is that they were being observed a little long. I don't know. I didn't him in the desert. No clue but we know where they went back to now the administration is way different than trump in that trump would have said why asking me if you should retaliate. Why did you wake me up at three am biden is he saw obama. Do this for eight years. He wants a detailed memo of every single bullet fired and he wants to approve the target. I'll tell you about proportional response when we get back in the folly of that idiocy. We'll be back right if this The dirksen replaced. Brian shoots here until eleven. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. It is the dark secret place. Bryan suits here until in coming up hyper sonic missile hypersonic cancellation. What's it called whip whiplash whiplash week for the pentagon take coming up here in a couple of minutes. Well something a couple of things behind the scenes. And i know what you're all saying you're saying brian i- clamor for your deep dives into demographics. You know birth rates replacement rates. So that i'm two things coming up here in a little bit. China thousands of years of recorded history never welfare plan. I mean a government welfare plan presence. She announced this just about a week and a half ago and and it indicates something that the chinese see coming down the road that they're trying to avoid something else. The biden administration has maintained the trump administration embargo on the most high end computer chips. It's not likely that they're going to reverse the trump administration's policy which by the way very quietly burned the chinese in a way that we haven't done in years and so much so that the chinese adjusted their growth target the international money monetary fund. So that china was going to grow by eight point. One percent this year china's try six and that's because china was counting on a lot of growth as they try to dominate the world With five g mobile brand right so their leadership has bet. The country's economic future on on productivity surge is it from asia times driven by five g mobile broadband and its downstream applications however washington's ban on exports of high end computer chips threatens to slow china's plan two hundred billion dollars five g rollout. Now here's the deal. It's not like they were buying chips from us. So don't think well that w- why are we even doing that. That's not what it was. China needs to and the and they were trying to develop their own super high end ship capacity. So they can be self reliant because the trump administration started making these noises a couple of years ago so wait. Wait till you hear what happened. But in meantime they get their chips the same place that we do taiwan and south korea. So what's our ban. Well we put those factories off limits to the chinese because it uses american capital equipment and intellectual property. So we have the right. That's part of our export law that we can tell these factories in taiwan and south korea. Nope not that vendor not wa wa now china because that's our stuff why we don't make them here in the us. I don't know but anyway we control who the time when he's in south korean can sell them to. They can't sell them to the chinese anymore. And that's that's not even the most embarrassing part a couple of years ago two thousand eighteen. During the trump administration a guy went to many wealthy chinese billionaires. And he said. I'm going to be setting up a chinese indigenous supercomputing factory. We have the brain power we have the placed. We're gonna do it. I'll let you get in on the ground floor so eighteen and a half billion dollars worth of investment. A lot of hype. Lot of rollout He he was building a factory in wuhan in suddenly. You're you're you're a month ago you'd never heard of wuhan. Suddenly hearing it will launch a big city. Wu hundred would be the fourth largest city in the us. Eleven million people It'd be second. But anyway he was setting up his high end. Supercomputing chinese indigenous design chip factory. In wuhan he gets eighteen and a half billion in an investment and now it's a high profile failure last week suspension of an eighteen and a half billion dollar chip fabrication. Plant wuhan shows that china's path semiconductor self-sufficiency will be costly at best. Why dissing sale. It was ponzi scheme. They got duped government money. Private chinese billionaire money. This guy who changed his name because he had some other ponzi schemes. A couple of years ago absolutely pulled the wool. Both the silk govern officials is and wealthy. People's is now it's all done. The stories are disappearing on the chinese web on chinese china central tv. They're not even reporting on it. And i have no. I have no idea if this guy's in custody. I'm going to say if he is. He should wish he wasn't because it's not going to end well for him because the chinese government was crowing about this but look at china's step up. The west tries to stop our progress but they cannot stop. The great chinese people are going to build an indigenous supercomputing ship here. We won't need gravel to the taiwanese of the south koreans ever again. You're going to make our own chinese chips and it turns out to be in the words of a tech blog. A supercomputing theranos. You know theranos from the bay area the that wacky woman with a really low voice who was going to make a to cut a deal with see. Cvs rite aid or whatever. She claimed she was going to produce a machine that could with a finger stick. Do all the blood chemistry that that you normally need like a fifty mil tube to do. And she duped henry kissinger george shultz and all these people who were not lab techs anyway. This was the digital theranos in china. China has found out how much they really do depend on the outside world because they cannot just go and steal that secret though by the way there is a microsoft exchange program. China owned us. And this is. This is probably the biggest microsoft hack. While anyway we'll come back. Hypersonic offer hypersonic cancellation and china. Goes on welfare to sell demographics work. We'll talk about that. It is dark secret place. Bryan suits on. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Kfi am six forty is the artsy place pranks in here until eleven This this might be some kind of record. In defence procurement the american the cancellation of future hypersonic. Missile programs is. It's a long long list and you can add a new one and this is too bad because there have been some some really cool names. And i mean i don't want to spend billions of to get a cool name in the in the armory but you can say goodbye to screaming arrow and we barely even knew ye was the deal. The proposal to build this naval f. Eighteen launched anti-ship hypersonic. Missile was just posted on march. Second on tuesday with canceled yesterday. The latest from by the way from the drive dot com warzone quote the latest in a seemingly endless line of us hypersonic missile projects which called for air-breathing anti ship weapon to arm the navy's super hornet most multi-role fighters has been announced an promptly cancelled. The service revealed earlier this week that it was beginning research into these scrammed jet powered weapon as part of the screaming arrow initiative party screaming arrow innovative naval prototype program before announcing yesterday that it had axed the project. The original solicitation was posted online on march second from the office of navel research department of for aviation force protection and integrated defense. It was to be named screaming arrow no matter what an even if it didn't scream or look like an arrow was gonna be called screaming era yesterday however an amendment to the solicitation read simply quote these special notices cancelled in its entirety. No explanation there is the possibility that screaming arrow has simply been given a higher classification and been moved into the black world at at which point only congressional budget members with sufficient clearance can hear about it even then they're able to hide things in congressional budgets but what it was is it was going to be a fit launched a replacement for the venerable harpoon missile. Which has been around for forty years and it is not hypersonic in fact it is probably these days very vulnerable to the fairly common countermeasures by common. I mean the iranian navy may even have them but we know but what we do know. Is that five hundred nights to sink in any more hypersonic. The literally hypersonic means anything above the speed of sound. Hypersonic is generally defined as mach five or higher and so to get something out to that regime. It's generally accepted that it's going to have to ramjet ramjet. That's that sent up to. That speed is usually set up. Let's feed by a rocket and that's called the scrammed jet and ramjet is by the way it's a jet engine only. It doesn't have any moving parts. It operates because it's moving so fast. The air compresses without a fan without a fan compressor is a jet engine. Works it compresses. The air with turbine fan introduces fuel and a spark and then the expansion of the ignited fuel air combination Turns a fan in the exhaust on the way out. And so it's a self self fulfilling self compressing thing. Well a ramjet is going so fast that the air compresses the intake and then you just have to introduce fuel and sometimes it's so hot already. It'll just combust so they're very very reliable and they can. They can get crazy. Speeds the boeing x probably the going wave writer was launched from edwards. Two thousand six boeing tested a ramjet edwards over the pacific missile test range that the later went up like mocked seven. Something like that. And so obviously if you put that in an anti ship missile. It's going to be moving too fast for for physical weapons to be trained on it. Theoretically and so now you get into the realm of directed energy weapons laser weapons and things like that to counter. Something is going that fast. So the air force developing its own hypersonic attack cruise missile. That thing is going to be sitting either in a b. one b. or the b. two or the forthcoming beat twenty one. It's supposed to be capable of being launched from fifteen thirty five and so we're at a point. Now where where if the services are spending a lot of money sort of overlapping their own research. That's why a lot of hypersonic weapons are canceled is because raytheon lockheed martin is is doing research on something they're already doing and so why not come up with a common hypersonic missile and the navy can use against surface vessels air force can use against the ground installations were whatever and all that but anyway the. The screaming arrow flight profile required a demonstration of controlled flight separation of the booster from the cruiser cruiser controlled flight. Cruiser engine star center so in all likelihood. It probably hasn't been canceled but it's been taken off the budget but if it was canceled it would be really sad because we have had programs start and stop literally over the past twenty years we have fielded a hypersonic cruise. Missile land attack or ship attack cruise missile. Probably ten years ago. We we've had so many programs that began twenty years ago that were cancelled or the ceased funding Because they were getting results and all that. But you know who's going full speed ahead. For instance is the russians currently are probably neck and neck with us on a hypersonic missiles. They they have already done naval tests with their zircon missile. And they have a you would call it a really streamlined acquisition process. I believe what you would call the only consideration they have is our. What program are we gonna rob for for this one but putin for a guy who only served in uniform and the kgb. He really loves his navy and he really wants to see. And by the way his father was russian mariner and he he really wants to see the russian navy matter in the world again and so anyway the if anyone's going to field a hypersonic surface launched anti ship missile. It will probably be the russians at this point. But we're i guess Our vision is that the air-launched version should be the first one. Because then you can reverse engineer the anything you can hear launch. You can adapt to to To land president xi announced something kinda surprising for the first time but back in february about two weeks ago in february for the first time in three thousand years. They're going to have welfare. they just don't know how they're going to pay for it. That and more coming up. It's dark secret place. Bryan suits in here to eleven. Kfi am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app. Kfi am six forty. It is the dark secret place branson here until eleven by the way next hour. For warhol alex. We're gonna explore the the life story and contribution of several of churchill's boffins in world war two. If you don't know boffins were his inventors geniuses his brilliant guys like for instance elon. Musk would be a often but he had these brilliant guys some of them get contributed directly to the war effort and save thousands of british lives with their amazing inventions or their correct reading of german inventions. Others were just conman as will explore some of the at geniuses and some of the conman one of the things demographically china down the road. And i'm not talking about making islands in the south china sea or fielding an aircraft carrier chinese society down the road. The chinese communist party is looking right now to stave off a future of instability. If you don't know this a chinese rich people don't pay taxes that's part of buying them off. That's that's part of the social contract of the communist party has with the with the wealthy but the chinese people but the the wealthy are many many millions of chinese have done very very well over the past twenty years. The problem is that hundreds of millions have not and they're coming up on retirement age. And if you don't know this china doesn't have a welfare system you know. China doesn't have a archipelago of free hospitals like the national health service in britain or soup kitchens or or whatever the traditional chinese welfare system is you have a bunch of sons and then they take care of you in your old age and then they have a much of sons and their sons. Take care of them in their old age. Well last month president she announce for the first time a large and bold plan. This is from the asia times for a nationwide basically all encompassing welfare system arguing it is a crucial crucial kirk. Crucial crucial issue for state stability. He said it's a correct assessment because there's no social security and if because that there will be a potential army with nothing to lose it will feel cast out from the general prosperity and will stabilize the country. Just in about ten or twenty years. Remember i'm just gonna hand it to the chinese. They are long view about about everything. The announcement didn't specify exactly how all this will be financed especially since total state debt. That would be central and local governments plus state-owned enterprises. So we may will be more than four times. China's gross domestic product. China extended a lot of credit in two thousand eight. That's how they got out of the financial crisis he just gave each gave themselves a bunch of credit and someday they're going to pay that off that day very soon who there will pay for a massive overhaul the social security system the rich with more taxes this will create domestic social. Political problems. is it will break down. The social contract establish one thousand nine hundred nine after the chin on men. Crackdown and that contract with real simple. You get rich. Were in charge. Don't question authority. That contract encourage people to get rich without paying taxes provided they stayed out of politics if now people have to pay taxes. They'll be unhappy and at least they will want to see how their money is spent after all. There is the old problem of no taxation without representation. That's why we're here in this country right. An old imperial time issue was solved brutally. The rich bribed the officials and didn't pay taxes which were paid by the poor in the countryside. This periodically in each dynasty created a double crunch. The this goes back three thousand years. The state gradually had a financial shortage as poor. Couldn't cough up enough money. The poor hated and felt cornered by the rich and corrupt officials and thus they rebelled the new dynasty that inevitably result redistributed land at the beginning. And then someone became richer or others report in the cycle. Start again so she seeing this knowing his own country history Wants a new welfare system to take care of the less fortunate but if the rich have to pay and have nothing to say. The dynamism of there's a drove china's growth over the past four decades could tumble and eventually economic growth could sputter. And this is the the chinese describe themselves and the back in the nineties. Some internal communist party of china officials said that that allowing the freedom of capitalism was writing tiger. That eventually the tiger would get bigger and faster and one day. It wouldn't care who was writing it. It would probably turn around and eat them or throw them off and and a lot of chinese private entrepreneurs private rich. They're they're encouraged to invest in the state owned enterprises. The problem is the chinese themselves. Wanna hand their money over to the government because that's effectively. What's that's doing remember. Cow purrs investment fund was run by a communist chinese guy who's parlor thousand talents program and he was investing calpers money. Your retirement money in chinese state owned enterprises like military research and things things like this but anyway this is a long term thing to american long-term has two years from now to the chinese. It's twenty or thirty years that they're trying to stave off. What looks like an inevitable crisis when you have a whole bunch of people who haven't prospered living in increasingly surveillance state All right hour number three is up next. We go back and look at some of the geniuses. We look at you know here. In march twenty twenty one the pandemic have we seen a step up and innovate and things like that. You know this is the closest thing to a war that we have been in as a society since nineteen forty five what happened back in world war two churchill had these genius guys boffins who who invented an innovative ways to win the war short in the war. Save lives etcetera. So we'll look at churchill's boffins our number three right after. This is the secret place bryan suits in here until eight. Am six forty live everywhere on the iheartradio app.

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Anupama Srivastava - Trainer and Counsellor| The Bernard D'sa Talk Show | Ep-04

The Bernard D'sa Talk Show

07:07 min | 2 months ago

Anupama Srivastava - Trainer and Counsellor| The Bernard D'sa Talk Show | Ep-04

"Someone who has been an ardent believer of god and someone who has faced all the huddles of life always been victorious and now plans to bring a change in the society. The vague lament untreated through feces of training and counselling today on a show we have mrs unabomber was one of the finalists of i. M been of courage and even hosted by glued rage and boys and you are on the dog show. I guess almost four thanks to our action. Wakeham hard credit for having me on your show. Thank you sort of other first thing. I wanted to ask from you. Like i've had senior profile. And all the things that you have been doing bring the society. I want to know from you. What made you choose training training or counseling or coaching. These young women. What made you chooses when my father visited. I prefer subtle physics. I never into who thing. He taught me or listening to this tennessee. My mother was publicly chevy for matic. The reigning knows in my leg. I was listening in cdi bam. That's ron sneak and all this with argon night when the automated them from anyone on this car a couple of employees and said that he wants to build the garnered grain not sanctis will join. Please raining Got fair buy from may hit a snag dot creating The greening programs on line wavering scuds are bidding war. Smythe bug would grew misstep one. That's only said that they'd be shy up romney's from you that you've been spread learning from my heating rounder. Worry i'm dating this night. I wasn't the question. How way back and i go back and said i have. I think aside leadership But uh so. I sat down and created cleaning mckeon. I a lot from my matic that had ended in divorce in december. two thousand twelve. Then i lost my job to acquisition. I bought video. Learning of read die of relation goes in usa to governor. Maddox might send. I also attended who they were shopping. Village to yvonne non craning on happy. And i'd mortis matic nudist. Renting will become release alright fight. I also know that back from you. Being the chew on seoul do lovely been days all invaders role that could gifts. I never who i need creating gorging on how days. I have been growing team last week and i was a student of my i. I also see that. You're trying to bring a change in the society. By the way you don't women audrey did. What does your viewpoint on. How do you think you could bring change by end following the remained by educating then you knew aggregate demand will just educate a man but when you a woman who is a generation right. That's that's something very interesting. Because i remember talking to be our leaders one thing. What they said was something similar. You yet been educated. She is injured going to do the same for ten other mad because has She understands the pain. That's what one woman would not like the adult to be paying the same stuff things what she has done. That very wonderful thought that you're trying. Can i ask one thing who inspires you. Do you have any role models you look up the any itis will give you connect to it as long or who bill log. Mix snuck life and to believe Brian south vishnu Knock and buggy. Fat inspires me a knock as make my living enough right. Could end up. I just want to ask you one. They get someone was listening to you. And on the podcast. What guidance would be like what guidance with electric shaver. My mother used to shed or seeing a poem promenade baha. Who were things he will need and he he'd boom he. So i learned a lot of fishing and cottage from my own. Mother and i was working. My father had an accident. Mine one yet. Big to candle as he whiskey habibie and after the back won his heat so minor that inspired me and not lead part. Moving forward is missing. I get from my mother place moving forward. That's something really is fighting. Because i when i first radio Talking to you. I get a very positive wipes that you'll have seen a lot of struggles in your life. You'll see pain suffering and the lessons learned from your mom. Your parents and your teachers igloos. You have used. These has a as a way of life thing all your aging award bbc. Today you are and the way that you bring the change in the society. The nice nice talking to you and be our listeners. If you have any as you can drop me. A text or to me is undermined would be very happy to all your grades each that. Alright thank you so much for taking a good time and being on the show thank you so much for bribery. You thank you thank you.

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BB22 | Week 9 Exit Interview | Oct 10, 2020

Rob Has a Podcast

08:02 min | 10 months ago

BB22 | Week 9 Exit Interview | Oct 10, 2020

"WHAT'S ON ROB? CICIRINO, and we are back with another big brother podcast for this week because we want to bring you our big brother twenty, two exit interview four this week, and just in case you did not know who was the victim I'll give you three more seconds to turn off the podcast. We'll be hearing from Tyler Chris. Spin here in this podcast originally, my plan was I was going to have this as part of the. SLOP. That I did with Taryn Armstrong. We also talked to our guest, Tommy Bronco from be twenty one over on the slop and a bunch of other stuff going on in the world of a big brother. But it took a little bit longer than anticipated to get the answers back for our interview with Tyler we were getting a little nervous. We thought that maybe that we're there might be some complication here something that we didn't anticipate but our guy. Tyler Crispin came through. It did take us a couple of tries to get some answers from Thai, but we got him and what you will hear is the recorded answers to our questions that we asked to tyler and you'll hear that here in this podcast. So this is just going to be a quick one here today, but we will for the illusion of it being a podcast I'll ask the questions that we sent him and then you. Will hear the answers back from Tyler without further ado were very excited to bring you our interview here today with Tyler Crispin and so we'll start things off with saying Tyler Good Morning US pleasure to have you here with us on the podcast. My question for you tyler is, was there ever a moment in this game tyler when you felt like you were in position that you might have had a shot to win this game on maybe maybe. A couple of weeks ago before the triple, I felt. A little glimmer of like, okay I. Can I can see the end like maybe this is my lane. But in all honesty, not a whole lot of confidence came through my head. I remember last time I could kind of see my lane to the end probably about final eight but this time it was like. It was a small little light at the end of the tunnel so. Not a whole lot of confidence. No Tyler if you had your hr wage to do all over again is there a different set of houseguests that you would have put up on the block actually? Honestly No. I felt like I was. I don't come around here. You know play big brother to make small moves. I felt like that was a big move getting Danny out of this house. Yeah it might. Hurt my relationship with cold. But if I'm honest like we didn't really have that much trust for each other to begin with. So now I would have done the same thing over and over. Tyler who are the players that you would have most liked to have worked with if you could have at the start of this season I, definitely wanted to work with Donell, but I realized pretty quick like. I don't think she trust me I definitely wanted to work with Nicole Anthony. But she just was gone too soon and I definitely tried my hardest to make something work with Dave and Bailey but it just couldn't. We couldn't work out. They did not trust me, tyler is there anything from Christmases H. H h week that you wish you could have done over now I don't think there's anything I would do over from Christmas is H. O. H. Week you know I. I had a lapse in game judgment, but I felt like in my heart and in my head. I was going with what I was feeling at the time and. Christmas wasn't willing to risk her final to you So No, no regrets there I I just hope Dave and Bailey are not holding anything against me. Scuds I did try. What Now no no regrets there I felt like. That was genuine in my intentions and then finally, Tyler are there any circumstances where you would ever return one more time in play big brother? Now there are no circumstances would return. A big brother, but once is enough twice is pushing it. I don't think I could do it again man. All Right Tyler. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you make some time for us today and we will talk to you on. Finale Night Thank you so much tyler crispin. There you go our exit interview with this week's evicted houseguests as we're down to just five players left in the big brother to house. If you missed the slop today, we had a lot of fun going through everything that's going on in the house talking about some of Enso's fans polycom. Being part of the U, S bobsled team potentially and much more on the slop with Taryn great fun to have Taryn on board with the slop this week. Then of course, be sure to check out all the live feed updates over the weekend to see how this veto is going to play out plus Tarrin's roundtable on Saturday night and we back with more big brother on Monday night plus we will have one other big brother podcast for you. This weekend Taryn and I spoke with one of our listeners Lauren doty. She is a expert in emotional intelligence and she gives people quizzes to see what level of emotional intelligence they have. This was something. That was talked about a lot in this season with David and with Nicole, and so we had the opportunity to talk with her about how emotional intelligence is one of the most important things about big brother and you can hear that podcast coming Saturday night that one should drop in your podcast feed. Make sure you subscribe rob is a website dot com slash I tunes for the main feed prophecy podcast. Always appreciate your feedback and star ratings rob a website dot com slash bb podcast for jest our podcast feed about big brother Rodney the podcast coming up this weekend as well. Thank you so much for listening. Take care everybody have a good one. Jean King for Cadillac Escalade. Let's say you make it to the top. What's next relish in the glory of your accomplishments okay. 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Covering a Crisis: Wolf Blitzer & Dr. Sanjay Gupta

Coronavirus: Fact vs Fiction

11:24 min | 1 year ago

Covering a Crisis: Wolf Blitzer & Dr. Sanjay Gupta

"Our medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta's at a hospital east of Baghdad. Sanjay tell us what's going on where you are. We're invite an operating room that's unusual in. That's from two thousand three when I was embedded with a group of medics during the Iraq war and still relatively new to CNN the anchor introducing me is probably a familiar voice. Many of my friend and colleague Wolf Blitzer. How are you holding up Sanjay? It's been difficult yet. These convoy rides will be you know much about Bacon. Be a very challenging bank wolf and I have both been at CNN for decades which is kind of surreal to say. We've been at the front lines of some of history's most life changing moments nine eleven. Hurricane Katrina the Bala crisis but this pandemic has had no precedent in our lifetime as host of CNN's. The Situation Room Wolf says this has been one of the most intense experiences of his career. He joins me today to talk about the challenges of covering tragedies the political is ation of facts and how he keeps going during this never ending new cycle. I'm Dr Sanjay Gupta. Cnn's chief medical correspondent and this is corona virus fact versus fiction. Doing Hi Sandra. My got my clorox disinfecting wipes cleaned off his microphone. This little table here. and you would be very proud wolf. Thank you I've really been looking forward to this. Let me start off by asking. How long have we have? We known each other well. I've been with CNN for thirty years. And and I think you've been with CNN West for about twenty years. Is that right? Such young two thousand and one I started so nineteen years coming up on twenty years. That's amazing I I remember. Of course the first major story you and I covered Was in February march of two thousand three just before the war with Iraq and we were both in Kuwait You and me we're recovering. Anchoring my show from Kuwait City from a hotel balcony and all of a sudden the war started and the first Scuds came in and a few of them landed about a mile or so behind where I was reporting from And we see this huge plume of smoke. Go Up And the wind was blowing towards us and I said well let. Let's wait and see where the smoke goes And the next thing I knew is Dr Sanjay Gupta our chief. Medical correspondent was in a vehicle. You were heading to that high end mall where the Scuds landed and you were wearing your gas mask and you were getting ready to report the news right. Yeah that's exactly right. I I wanted to go over there and And see at the time it made total sense. Yes I will go exactly where that big plume of. Smoke is where that missile landed in the middle of a war where there's concerns about bio weapons. It made perfect sense. In retrospect I was thinking what am I doing? Let let me let me ask you wolf about this this particular time now covering this pandemic You've covered so many stories again These wars Oklahoma City nine eleven hurricane Katrina other outbreaks. How how is this? Been different than those well. This has been At least from my personal perspective. The most deadly You know as we speak more than ninety thousand Americans have been have died and hundreds of thousands have been you know had to suffer through corona virus and and so many more around the world and these are people. These are wonderful people. These are mothers and fathers sons and daughters brothers and sisters They're younger. They're middle aged. They're older they're wonderful people. Many of them were looking For the prime of their lives spending time with their families enjoying life The economy was good and all of a sudden. It's a disaster. We've got millions and millions of people who are unemployed applying for unemployment benefits Many of them can't even apply. What's so heartbreaking to see these long food lines people waiting to just get food to put on the table to feed their kids And themselves and who would have thought this was going to happen and even something as simple as wearing a face mask you go out and you see all. These people wearing face bests You see people all over the place. Who would have thought that was going to be happening here. So this has been so so intense so riveting so scary so crazy in many respects. It's just an awful awful situation and I and I would say it's it's certainly you know the the most intense period two months that we've been doing this in all the years of my journalism that this is the most intense while. I mean that's saying something given your career and yet you do a story like this and it's it's difficult nowadays seemingly wolf to disentangle anything from from politics and the more subjective nature of the story. The opinion part of story people weighing in From a Political Lens. Do you sense that as well is is? Is it truly impossible to disentangle just about any new story from politics nowadays? Well look. There's the political story. There's a political angle to what's going on and the country is deeply divided as you know I I will say this. Sanjay the article you wrote for CNN DOT COM On Your personal thoughts and I have it right here in front of me You know that it for the for the for a moment. Think of the United States as a human body at that and people haven't read that article they should go back and look it up And the last words you wrote and I have it right here in front of me. It's they were so powerful because I truly agree and I truly believe what you said is true. You said the country and the world are facing a serious illness but it is treatable. It is fixable. Let's do this together. You're absolutely right. We're we're going through HAL right now. This is an awful awful situation and it's going to get worse as these numbers get worse and and hopefully there won't be a second wave that comes in the fall or anything like that but I totally agree it is treatable. It is fixable. Let's do this together when you think about your your your tone. I mean do you think about your your tone? When you're delivering news stories Wolf. A lot of it nowadays has been you know frightening news to give. How do you balance being hopeful for an audience and being honest I do think about my tone And I try to. You know to be as objective as I possibly can be but sometimes you know the the story is so painful you you're gonna see that you know on my face you'll hear it in my tone you'll hear my words And you know I've been trying over these days To end the situation room with some images and pictures of a real people who unfortunately passed away from the corona virus and we tell those stories who these people are because it's one thing to say ninety thousand people have died. It's another thing to say. Look at this individual. Look at this woman. Look at this man. Look at this teacher this nurse look at this This a first responder And you put the face on these people. And it's sad. It's it's heartbreaking because you think of their families and so often their families they can't even say goodbye in a hospital or they see they can't even sometimes go to a funeral To say goodbye to their father mother or whatever and You know you gotTa have some emotion when you just feel that it's it's so powerful so so awful Science reporting in some ways I feel wolf is a luxury in that we can always rely on data and science and evidence facts to bolster up our reporting There's not a lot of opinion science reporting although sometimes you do have to offer up some thoughts on things but for you. In an era where alternative facts have become a term that people become familiar with. How do you think that that is affected the reporting on this pandemic the idea that the truth and the science? That's just another avenue of information. Here's here's another avenue. You could pay attention to the most important thing we can do. And you're part of our fact checking team Sanjay's went when we hear government. People including the president makes statements do a news conference and say all sorts of things I want to come out and say well. Let's let's check what we just heard? And we'll have you We'll have John King have Daniel. Dale our chief fact. Checker will have Gloria Borger Dana Bash But we'll have doctors And in addition to you who come on and say well what he said just not true. What he said is true And I think that's a real service that CNN does provide that. We're not just listening and reporting but Ross fact checking and making sure that the viewers get an honest understanding of what's going on not just propaganda from time to time. I think it's so important. Everything gets sort of polarized and and sometimes it gets minimized inappropriately. So I really do appreciate the sort of work that you do wolf. How about you? I mean even your site in the pandemic Wolf. I think you are known to the iron man at At CNN and in the media business. In general I mean you work hard weekend. Shows Weekday shows What what was the work life balance like for you well right now. I I love working and I've been working during this during this current pandemic seven days a week. I woke up this morning. You know I got a little routine. I got on a treadmill for an hour and I watched the news on television as I'm getting a good little sweat Excited because I know that you know in the situation room gets on the air. Five o'clock I'm going to be ready to report the news as fairly and as responsibly as accurately I as I possibly can and the viewers will be grateful. And I'll be grateful that it's not as if if I took a day or offer You know or a weekend off. I could go to. A restaurant can't do that. It's not as if I could go watch my Washington nationals. Play baseball game. I can't do that. It's not as if I can you know. Go see my family down in Miami. 'cause I'm not going to get on a plane right now and I'm not going to be able to do that and whenever I used to complain to my dad about how hard I was working he would always say listens on. There are harder ways to make a living what you do so. Just go ahead and enjoy your job. That's my attitude you know. It's my attitude to despite the long days and frantic research. I've always tried to follow wolves lead. I WanNa think wolf again. Not only for his hard work but also for being a constant source of inspiration for me and everyone else at the network. If you have questions please record voice memo and email them to ask. Sanjay at CNN dot com might include them in our next podcast. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks for listening.

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From the Vault: Squirrels, Part 1

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

1:00:07 hr | 1 year ago

From the Vault: Squirrels, Part 1

"Do you catch yourself daydreaming about your next getaway the sun the beach is cold drink in your hand miles like two times advantage miles at grocery stores plus you can earn a special airlines advantage mile up card today I'm a creature of deadly renown dwells within we're we're revisiting Ed's we still on our facebook group the stuff to blow your mind discussion module and I still enjoy squirrels I'm S- I'm still writing the squirrel high from having the welcome to blow your mind from how stuff works dot Com McCormick and Robert I've got a question for you what wild animal do you most play Ben Franklin I played Thomas Jefferson Okay Community Theater Performance Nkomo's played Biological Attorney named Ray Fraley Ray frail freely any Jefferson Timmy. Timmy yeah he is sorry we got sidetracked here but there is a song in there where Benjamin Franklin the Franklin actually suggested that national bird should be but Franklin before in our episodes about the early days of electricity about that that Barbecue Franklin hosted where he in with electrical fire from a bottle it was a rousing affair. I'm sure because finally Franklin actually we'd love people use electric stove I guess that's kind of close that it's not quite as shocking well what pray tell was well who knows if it was actually his favorite animal but the animal I now Shen to Europe no I did not know about this he had a pet squirrel named MUNGO A to Georgina Shipley in seventeen seventy two where where he said I lament with the world in other words I put it put him in a cage and carried him on for poor Mongo I wonder if we should do a reading of this poem for Mungo what do you think why don't we remote from the fierce bald eagle tyrant of the native woods Dow Hats Malkin never could enjoy the grammarian of course is the witch's familiar the cat indulgent mistress but discontented that would have more freedom to soon we wish for more liberty whether subjects sons squirrels or daughters while interrupted as it were with size is for the occasion then if one were so that you didn't know that one either I didn't but you know I feel like a lot of people by by the a bit of terminology for these strange for creatures that for many of us still our hurdling Squirrel Knowledge and Oh boy is there yeah there is but before anybody what they seem you're right about that they are up to in your immediate environment they may shake your faith in the goodness world's Joe Yeah you see them more than any non human animal who is not your pet probably I mean telling we're having breakfast or dinner together we'd like to watch the birds out there and of course Schipol Mammalian quality of Mammalian vitality that the birds just do not to do with their mammalian craftiness and that's despite the fact that birds are often neil as well Another thing that I always notice about the squirrels is that is yes and they have the fluffy tails they're not a chipmunk chipmunk is I think awesome and they'd just be less cute that way but but one thing I noticed is that when you have people they they may give in to the temptation to feed them which means if you go to a place like during a scene to behold people are also going to encounter the squirrels they're gonNA end up beating we're gonNA share some some snack necks and then the squirrel comes in the school starts climbing especially wants to like to the flea jumped off of its nose it's only a matter of time till they can pull a switchblade Tom and that's not even getting into disease issues I apologize those ranting a little bit I I no no Six years old and he he said actually dad the Squirrel is the king of the yet at the same time yes squirrels are incredibly good rats in many respects are in the trees above the rats that would seem to signal that they are the lords of the Lord Kenneth Guys who go out and do what they're told but yet there is an honesty in the you're in these episodes the squirrel is not what it seems the Squirrel has managed to A to divulge that knowledge so let's hear the Kingdom of the Scuds Eh and that includes ground squirrels tree squirrels marmots chipmunks flying squirrel that's real grizzled yeah and the likely extinct to cream colored we're GONNA be talking about common varieties most often of the tree squirrel and the ground squirrel but of course humans tend to take their rodents with them where they go so humans introduce squirrels exploration one of the main things you're going to learn is that you've probably been too trusting This poor little victim creature that could be eaten by a dog and was a harmless is that squirrels are not in fact strictly herbivores some well Through the bird feeders put out because one of the things we put out in addition in birds generally loved them as well but then we started noticing that the squirrels one get to a place where it could be on the lookout for hawks or whatnot and then go down and get another one all of them and we were a little sounded because we were like I had I had no idea adds a war might be a lot of things might eat a worm right right I for is you know they're they're they're omnivores that will will eat a worm here and there but subsequent they get a chance grey squirrels and eastern chipmunks are noted Nest Raiders Acute Chipmunk is a natural born killer as studies have found a meet in just dealing with like like urban legend kind of observations here like two thousand fourteen popular science article the tufted ground squirrel of Borneo is said to her in eats the contents of the stomach as well as the heart and the liver and I do local hunters who find the remains of the squirrel slaughter deer and then fingers pointed at the squirrels this almost reminds me of like the cop jeans but by making several leaps in in Hans supposedly these squirrels could I mean if you happen to put your finger in their mouth a giant Squirrel Reta a thinness is known to stalk and prey on is like one of those kind of Hunter Legends Yeah it reminds me a lot of of totally implausible explanation such as an alien being performed an they would want to remove to some kind of sterile environment where they could control all of the autopsy do seem to hot some of the time well we will definitely look at more evidence of can take down dogs yes I was reading a two thousand five BBC article that reported Laszio again local Russian media but here's here's a scientist in the region one Mikhail to enough said reads like something from a horror movie poster he said quote if it really happened things detain who's that one I don't know I don't really know them by name I'm so sorry to say you yes I'm I'm not convinced that it's killing dear I'm not convinced that they are Taking I be a different kind of thing I find it hard to believe that like a pack of squirrels would actually attack a any century you'll find a number of different papers that look at carnivorous squirrels on Saint Lawrence Island Alaska or food habits of the Antelope Ground Squirrel. It's complicated that nine hundred fifty one paper carnivorous ground squirrels on saint the old village site of cocoon EAC located a few miles east of the present village of aided at an approximate depth of eight feet under the surface what yeah ear like robbery dried flesh also from the paper there was a part where they were mentioning the work of shooting Mason Alaska who knows what's going to happen all right let's go ahead and take a break here and when we come the ability Jason before we get into squirrels as predators I just wanted to mention another a paper survey of trick analysis paralysis in Alaskan mammals so this is paper looking at the the you know the reason that you should not eat pork tar tar though not to demonize let's that's true even if you're a squirrel in fact so when the researchers found the clear what's going on the ground squirrel that with the ground squirrel they say although eastern Alaska and in the Tel Keaton Mountains where remains of voles to infection because the dogs and the Fox's can get the can get the worm their meat gets infected we've observed red squirrels feeding upon the flesh of the snowshoe Hare Carrion Kill I don't know why they keep the bones that why do they keep the bones are they gonna make soup came across from nineteen ninety-three it was in an edition of the Great Basin naturalist in carry on right they'll find a dead animal they'll find dead insects whatever they'll definitely right but here you're talking about seeking live prey killing it and eating it laurels are opportunistic predators that are not morphological specialized little tree dogs or or some sort of a tree cat you know in a mole existence as opposed to other types of existence where an animal might not be evolved to up to the idea of frequent squirrel predation though it was already universally accepted that were they meet where they just eating something that was already dead or do they or is squirrel species in the prey include the following if not limited echo turtles crabs and Salomon this is too good eighty per se or for calcium and phosphorus from the bones but there were interesting yeah he's he points out to get him back to the morphology versus a behavior who a Predator lulling a prey animal into a false sense of security in by they are little spies infiltrating your safe zones or ligaments other times they have been observed to focus on quote brains viscera and so we we seem to see far more squirrel meat eating and predation grants can be obtained from certain tropical tree barks and then may also suffer more from stomach nematodes while colder climates populations of squirrels. Oh No that's interesting now for example in our recent episodes environments say like the example of the birds that learned how to open Kinda way squirrels probably can too except in this case instead of about praying to obtain lies need rather than depending on just scavenged and reports of lactating females specifically engaging in this sort of predation the story of the the Russian dog eating squirrels is that they may turn to meet lead they actually did take down and that is a grain of truth of so we've been talking about how squirrels definitely will eat things that are all these risks and spindle this energy trying to kill something that's alive it's a great question flight you don't have to worry about it fighting back but cheaper date right but of the say the Dead Rat plus those true so in our you know sort of our our urban official situation it is very much a product of human technology and we have these dangerous in front of our vehicles all the time so do they do they cannibalize carrying Squirrel carrying active Predator right that it's body just is not a powerful killing machine zor easy to explain like there's a frog it's not getting away from this larger Squirrel Squirrel can challenging prey so many researchers believe that true predation by squirrels must be just a rare mystic not fundamental predators okay so he's going so you've got the idea and he's going somewhere in between he said like he he's saying that for but here we're talking about something far more sinister and I do have to warn everybody out there you cannot hear the hypothesis that I am about to squirrels their hunger is likely seasonal they're known retina streeters but in other context an interesting view on this and on the stalking behavior occasionally observed intrigue boarded attempts mere caricatures of stalking the Callahan fines rather conspicuous joining prey animals to disregard their attacks whoa so this would not be something to get to where potential prey animals larger prey animals are like whatever is just squirrels being squirrels behavior anyway Callahan writes if most squirrels acting like predators prey confidence later normal food items are in short supply the squirrel accurately in marginal habitats where tree squirrels may be more likely to resort is any type of animal here and of course predation is part of nature we don't want to demonize predation but this is my mind was not ready yeah I have to say much the same again we you they're not going to attack your dog right yeah it's it's going to be I'm thinking I'm probably saving some bird eggs maybe not maybe just this good I don't WanNa make you feel bad you could also be artificially inflating local squirrel populations speaking of that though has there ever been squirrel horror movie I've never I've never heard of one well Tori where it's a little bit too self aware be my kind of harmful that's a bummer but humanoid meltdown he's also in the third film you know I

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Phoebe Bridgers - Scott Street

Song Exploder

22:22 min | 2 years ago

Phoebe Bridgers - Scott Street

"You're listening to song explorer, where musicians take apart their songs and piece by piece tell the story of how they remained. My name is tau win. This up sewed contains explicit language. Phoebe bridges is a singer songwriter from Los Angeles in September twenty seventeen surely stir debut album stranger in the Alps one of the breakout songs from that album. Was Scott street a song Phoebe co wrote with drummer Marshall war in this episode Phoebe and Marshall breakdown how the song went from an unfinished cassette recording. Tune acoustic demo to the finished out one version. Shit. I'm Phoebe bridge IRS. This is Marshall Vork drummer of bieber's we met and like late twenty fourteen became fast friends every day. We started talking about music. I remember we were just hanging out a lot. And then you would just be having an idea or something. And you'd be like, what do you think of this or I would do the same thing? Like, I have this idea. What do you think of that? And it seemed like some songs ended up coming out of that together. And so we started writing a lot of songs and this one it's an idea that Marshall had I like had a guitar and was sitting on vs bed playing the chords. I had just gotten a set machina cool. So there's a cassette demo. Walk-in scuds. Strange. I just kind of had these lyrics from my phone which were the first opening lyrics of the song. I started writing those lyrics in two thousand fourteen I was walking from my apartment to my friend's house. And I was just singing what was happening. I grabbed my mail on the way out and in between us was an ARCO gas station where we would buy stuff. Okay. Show. And that's pretty much all that. There was just a few lyrics and in the little tag. That is do you feel ashamed? And I like fell in love with it. But it was really only like half a song. It was like something that I would play around the house what little bit was there. And then it wasn't until much later that Phoebe sort of thrill ASO around it and made it into something usable you grab their guitar, and we just hash the rest of it out. I like made up completely different courts thought were cooler. St strange. Contain. And then that tag, the do you feel ashamed lyric? You're kind of thinking of that as like a pre chorus, and then it was like open up into some big chorus. But I told them not to I really like songs where it makes the listener kind of fill in the blanks, and I just felt like some big chorus. Would I tell size the subtext in a way that I didn't like, and then he was like, okay. Okay. But just like hear me out and played it again. It was like do you feel ashamed when you hear my name, and he goes oh. You do. Ridiculous. And that was exactly what I meant any commentary on what was just said felt completely unnecessary and actually took away from the point to me. So I like kind of stopped you from overwriting. It definitely there was a lot of like moments were not very understated or pretty. But the do you feel ashamed leering comes from a place when I had this like really crazy time in my life. I was twenty five I played a show. And I was standing by the curb waiting for the van to pick me up. And then a fight broke out and my leg was broken. Basically these guys tripped over me and they snapped my leg in half and everybody ran away. So there was like an entire year. Right. Didn't walk or play music or do anything. And I just started dating someone. And so they more or less took care of me through the time that it took. Me to go through this whole leg thing. And I remember during that time like not seeing any of my real friends and being very upset. And I remember the personnel is dating telling me like your friends aren't here for you. Your friends don't love you and years later when me and this person broke up, and I would talk to my friends they were trying to see me the whole time. This person was telling them like Marshall doesn't wanna see you. And I remember waking up to this thing. Like this person. Did love me. But there were also working against me. And so I just wonder if they're ashamed of that kind of thing. And if they've grown up. So then we wrote the second verse we wanted it to be a dialogue Phoebe made that verse into like a conversation that you would be having with someone from your past. It's so sad. And we are to play catch up with someone who was so intimately involved in your life for so long, and it was entirely imagined. Like, what would a conversation like that be? What would the person be asking? Two. She. Said that makes me feel. Running into somebody that you spent all that time with realizing that the world is changed, and it's not the same world that it was even a few years ago is a really heavy thing to deal with. Much. I made the demo Canada map out what my idea of the structure was and I played it for my producer. Tony cause I really wanted to put it on my record. And he was like this isn't a real song. Like a couple weeks later was like, I'm gonna just experiment. I'm gonna play the exact same thing again. 'cause I think this is a real song. I think it is good. And I did and he got really excited like did not remember me showing him for the first time when he didn't like it. So then we went into record and started with guitar. The acoustics are is a J Forty-five that Glen Campbell owned Glen Campbell's country singer from the sixties and seventies. It's like my favorite guitar that exists in the entire universe. Its like so dead. Like, it doesn't ring at all. And that's about it to me. St. field like strangers. Listen, no, Har open container. I love doubling my vocals eighty five percent of the music. I listen to Elliott Smith, and he does it so aggressively and I loved it. Two. See? Call. I loved the quality that it gives a voice spend money and. That's all. It it takes some of the emotion on my voice, which can be melodramatic sometimes especially when talking about my feelings, which I do often. And so it was a way to take it out of that zone and be more expressive and like the production there, so cook zoo. Zoo. Harrison Qatar player came in and played on it, and he did the helicopter noises. What Harry was doing was? He was playing a chord with the volume down on the tar turning up volume and shaking the neck as hard as he could. So it was go. Will like maybe that stupid. If we make it sound like helicopter, and then we ended up doing it. And I loved it. I have a theory that the jokes you make in the studio are actually just kind of the best ideas. But you're just shoving them aside. Or if you get made fun of for having the idea you can claim it was a joke. Whatever your joke idea is probably just a genius idea. You're a little nervous about. When we went to record drums will like oh, man. It should come in on the weird offbeat where I say drums. And we're like, maybe that's stupid. It's too much to kids. And ended up being my favorite thing about this long. I love the idea of something kind of turning into another universe. Like you set one tone and then the tone, just like completely shifts. Those are the optic on drums. Octagon was a toy piano. I think it was made by Mattel if I remember correctly, and it has these like disks that go in it. But they're made of laminated paper. It's all floppy, you put them in and have different sounds on them. So you can select just the drums from these discs, and you can adjust tempo until a kinda grooves with your song. And if you put them in upside down they played backwards. Rob moose did all the strings on my record. He plays with Paul Simon. He plays all over Bonnie bear stuff. It was important to keep it sparse beginning to me. I am a real sucker for a big Bill song all had to say was. Yeah, I wanted to be released from the beginning and then open up, and so yeah, we just like put rob in front of a microphone, and he did a bunch of stuff that we really liked. The squeaky weird string hits our rob specialty. I really gravitate towards people who have a completely different Goto thing that I do like an instinct jewel thing that just so far out for me an robs definitely like that. Like, it's just intuitive for him to do stuff like that. And then Tony Berg, the producer. My record told me I needed to now tro. So I like went into the vocal booth wants to sing the melody who. And then a bunch of people went in a different time using harmonies. We layered it on top of each other. It was like this very victorious feeling thing. Tony handed us each like, a cow bell bike bell. All these crazy toys because he loves the Beatles. And he was like giving us these seed pods that had dried out, and we like shake these near the microphone, and then take this train whistle and blow the train whistle. Every other time. When we were done recording, the outgrow, and it was so giant, and like all the crazy bells and whistles and everybody's singing together. It was just very emotional day. We're listening to the rough and Tony twirled around his producer chair with a single tear rolling down his face. And he said, it's as if you're looking back on your life. And it was just a failure. Which was his version of a compliment. Marshall who had never some harmony before saying harmony on this recording. Fee shit. Marshall never really saying until we met, and then when we started singing together are we started kind of sounding exactly the same. So I love that quality on the recording. He. When you sing something like do you feel ashamed when you hear my name that could mean it so many different things so many people? But for me, I think particularly about this one person and this one really bizarre surreal time in my life that I went into as a younger guy, and I came out of it all as an adult. Craziest feeling ever is being in a relationship. That's like all consuming. It's your whole life for years. And then just the wake of that. It's so crazy that people can be completely estranged from their exes after being best friends for years that someone would think of you and feel ashamed of what happened. And that's just the only feeling that's left. But now my association with the song is like singing it every night and listening through other people's ears. A highlight of the show for me is like people singing along the end what I like about this is it's not really telling you why you're sad. It doesn't say a lot about what you're supposed to feel. And I'm just so glad people got it. And now, here's Scott street by Phoebe bridge bridges in its entirety. St straight. Listen. Continue. Stock. Sure. Spend. He should. It's too much. Shoes. Visit sung exploiter dot net. For more information about Phoebe bidders and her band mate Marshall for you'll also find a link to buy or stream this song. Next time on sung, explorer, Mumford and sons. Sung exploded was created by executive producer. She case here way. This episode was produced an added by Christian Koons special. Thanks to Morgan. Travis. Kenny Becker Carlos Lara made the artwork which you can see on the song splitter website sung exploded as a proud member radio. Topa from PR ex a collective of fiercely independent podcasts, you can learn about Oliver shows at radio, topa dot FM. You can find song excluder on Facebook. Instagram Twitter at song exploiter, and you can find me a towel get stay down. My name is tau win. Thanks for listening. Snow? Radio too. Ex-?

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205: Mortified Meditation

The Mortified Podcast

20:28 min | 6 months ago

205: Mortified Meditation

"The radio weeks. Hey we have some really exciting news for the past months. We've been hard at work on a brand new podcast about growing up. But unlike mortified it's not for grownups. It's actually for the middle school set. It's a show where young people share moments in their life when they broke a rule and it's called urine travel. Think of it kind of like true crime for kids but said of grizzly small town murders. It's more so things like taking your parents car in joyride or protesting schools dress code points report to the principal. It's a series about what happens when kids go against the grain and find themselves in way over their heads. It's funny it's sweet. It's educational and even better. It's something you can turn up. When the kids get in the car which means carpal just went from our yet very to. Can we keep driving. I wanna hear the. The whole team is incredibly proud of it. Here's a clip from an episode. Where a kid cells. Contraband on school property. Most of our legal slime transactions now took place in broad daylight. There were teachers around. So natalie had to approach customers with caution. I would over with my backpack. And i'd sit down like i was sitting next to them for carpool jars line. You know the the green ball kind. And then we just pass each other the slime and then they'd pass me the money. No one was the wiser. It worked pretty well. But natalie had to stay vigilant because new customers meant more profits. I made like forty dollars in one week. That's your in trouble stories of rebels. Rascals rule breakers even revolutionaries subscribing tune spotify or really wherever. You listen to podcasts. From pierre x. radio topa i'm dave and this is mortified so it's been a strange and intense week here in america and like everyone we to have been looking for anything really to just calm heck down but of course we also knew that we had to put a new episode this week so neil halley and i got to talking and we decided to do something different and we set out on a mission to make an episode. That's as calming as possible. The result a completely ridiculous experiment. That asks can melodramatic teenage diaries. Actually soothing as your favourite. Mindfulness guru come on. I know you have one and that. Consider this your very first mortified meditation. Hello mortified listeners. These at the soothing sounds of childhood. Diaries float back in time and reconnect to a world. That was simpler from the journals of abbey on the future march thirteenth nineteen ninety-one. When i grow up. I want to sell chocolate covered pretzels. I think my business will be good. Why because a lot of people like chocolate covered pretzels from the journals of an april. Sorry i haven't read a long time. I've been in the process of moving on. I want to tell you what happened. The other day. I was walking home from school and laura said look at that awesome guy and i said that's dawn anyways to make a long story short. I walked home with him and he is so sweet. I can't believe it. Pleased god when i'm walking home from school tomorrow. Please let me walk with. Josh scratched out don. Because i have to talk to him please god. Ps i mostly over steve. But i found the person. I need josh or dawn from the journals of reta december. Second today denison. I got somewhat close. We held hands and he apologized for almost breaking my knee. I actually cried. Can you believe it december tenth. Dennis touched my butt. And i keep getting chills thinking about it from the journals of abbey january first nineteen ninety one. My new year's resolution is to be more popular in third grade january seventeenth. I wish dr martin luther king were here at this time. I wish he were president. If dr king were here. I wouldn't be afraid of thunder. Gosh maya scaredy cat from the journals of colleen friday. I'd been at denise as of night and that day we went to great adventure in mark two guys tried to pick us up real kika ruse well one was okay but the scuds carl as a show off and he tried to start a conversation with us. I commenting on my bon jovi shirt. He said on jovi stinks lies. I turned around and glanced at his ozzy. Osbourne t shirt. And i said ause. He sucks his cousin. Mike said i agree. Ozzy does suck and on jovis. Cool thanked him. Denise and i went on the ferris wheel from the notebook of eric. A poem about feeling betrayed by a friend. Who are you. who are you. i don't know anymore. I never knew you can't use me anymore. I've taken off my blinders. Not here horse anymore. Yes these words are sharp jagged razor and hurt the better. You told someone. I was fake. Get a highlighter and highlight this. You are fake from the journals of abbey on history may tenth. I think the medieval times were very good. They had singers. Magicians jugglers jesters puppeteers. Acrobats dancers queens kings princesses and princes not to mention mummies from the journals of caroline. December twenty ninth. We just watched a heart wrenching. Lee sad movie called day of the dolphins starring george c scott at the end the two dolphins who could speak or let go by the scientist george c. Scott he had to or they would endanger but as they left alpha and beta. Were calling and oh. I wanted to ball like a baby but the tears slid down my chains silently. So you assume. The dolphins are safe the end. Oh i hope from the journals of scott. September eighteenth young kapoor. I was basically pretty bored. And eric came over and we watched new jack city. I gave it an eight and a half. I'm worried about school in social psychology. We had to find one event that impacted our whole lives. I couldn't think of anything. The girl i got paired up with had her father die in study hall. Andrew found a book that showed kangaroos and giraffes having sex from behind from the journals of abbey march nineteenth. I really really wish my stuffed animals would come alive. I really really wish my cat would talk to me. And not run away when i try to teach her how to talk from the journals of leonard february seventeenth. Life is like a rubik's cube. It has so many sides so many shades and seems impossible october fourteenth. What if my life ends up like my childhood a total zip. I should be out having fun instead. I'm here explaining my thoughts to myself. I'm a kid for gosh sakes. I need a life from the journals of leslie january. Twenty ninth. i have three earrings in my right ear. I did this myself last night but this morning is not beautiful. I am happy with myself. Until i think about my life from the journal of leonard november twenty second people often compare life to vcr when they say they wish. Life had a rewind button. Personally i'd prefer a pause button. There are moments. I'd like to live in eternally like tumbling down the mountain at jonathan. I would love to spend the next seventy years of my life in that moment. The preceding mortified. Meditation featured excerpts from the childhood van johnson smith. Abby gross read scott lifting more curling. Almost leslie mclean colleen kane and leonard hyman all but that final one can be found in our to mortified anthologies both of which are available in bookstores. We hope it was a soothing to listen to as it was to make. We hear it mortified. Know that reading a book or watching a movie. You're listening to podcasts. Can really lift your spirits. But of course escaped doesn't always cut it. 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What kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive will help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and started online quote today at progressive dot com price and coverage match limited by state law of course anxiety. Inducing times relaxation isn't for everyone. Sometimes the best remedy is hope simply looking forward to a better future as a teenager. Stacy kasim fill the pages of her journals with her greatest hopes and dreams several years ago. She shared those wishes onstage at a mortified event in boston october fifth things to do in my life number one go to a karaoke bar and sing number two. Pick up some guy at a bar and have a one night fling with him. Number three getting incredibly drunk number four. Go parasailing five. Go on a coaster number six. Get all dressed up. Go into a room in a hotel with party going on and see if anyone notices. I shouldn't be there number seven. Go skinny dipping number eight. 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D.E.B.S. with Ellie Brigida and Leigh Holmes Foster

The Bechdel Cast

1:34:48 hr | 2 years ago

D.E.B.S. with Ellie Brigida and Leigh Holmes Foster

"The most serial killers don't make any effort to involve media or best Gators. They're very secretive. They don't want attention. They almost want their crimes to go unnoticed, but the idea of committing a crime, and then calling up the police and bragging about it. That's a whole 'nother level of terror. A man who wore a mediaeval style executioner's hood who has baffled the police and baffled the media. He seems to crave publicity. He sent letters and Ramsden newspapers and beliefs subject stated I want to report a murder. No, a double murder. I did it. Here. We are fifty years to the first sodium killing in today's world of forensics old cases are being solved who doesn't wanna know. How it turns out? From the creators of Atlanta monster come season to this is monster vizo yet killer. Listen as subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app. On the cast questions. Asked movies have women and are all their discussions boyfriends and husbands do they have individualism the patriarchy's FM vast start changing with the Becca del cash. Hi, welcome to the Bechtel cast. My name is Caitlin. Toronto Jamie Loftus, and what do we do here, Jamie? Sorry. No, it's fine. It's a test. Well, this is our desert podcast about the representation of women in movies using the Bechtel test as a jumping off point for discussion to how did I do though? So wonderful. Thank you so much and the Bechtel test. If you're not familiar if perhaps you're tuning in for the very first time is a media test. And I actually I wanted to go into a little bit more detail than we normally do because I think this is like the perfect episode and the perfect movie to provide just a little more context and talk a little bit more about the origins of the Bechtel tests than we normally do you're being a real lead, Deb right now, I I am this wad leader squad, captain or we're gonna get into fight. But by the end, we will make up, and yes, I'm Ron John of us will be in love and the other one will be in charge. So you'll be in love and all be in charge. Okay. That's because that's how are normal lives are right now. Okay. Anyway. So Alison Bechtel queer icon. She inadvertently created the Bechtel test in her book dykes to watch out for published in nineteen eighty five. I feel like some people think that she like deliberately set out to create this specific media tests. But it was more as it was. Yeah. It appeared in the book. And then that was later co opted into the test that we now use and that is widely used to apply to you know, media and movies and things like that Alison Bechtel credits, the idea to her friend, Liz Wallace and to the writings of Virginia Woolf, specifically woolf's essay a room of one's own which is a feminist text. The Bechtel test is sometimes referred to as the Bechtel Wallace test, which Allison Bechtel is said to prefer, but we are jerk. So we only call it the Bechtol test. I love. And friends credit friends. Yeah, it's critical. It's it's great. And then in the comic ducks to watch out for it has to lesbian characters and the context of their conversation is that there is so little queer women representation in movies that the only way for them to imagine that a female character in a movie might be a lesbian is if she is seen talking to another woman, and they are not talking about men. So that is the origin of the Bechtel test. And I just wanted to share that to our listener unless sure the original comic on our on our Twitter. I know it's readily available so we can do that as well and deed history corner. Yeah. A new segment on every episode know, how many he's got no. Shall we? Introduce our guests. Let's do it. I'm so excited. We've got today. A very exciting time. They are the hosts of the Liz hang out podcast. It's Lee homes foster and L E brigada. Did I say that right, Johnny? It's Brigitta Brigitta. But I think you should change. Honestly, I love it for Java. It sounds a little bit more like the things that I love sounds like sounds like a beverage or bread. So sorry for fucking up your name. Welcome. It's all good. They literally messed up my name at my graduation. And I waited for them. I was like you're gonna get it. Right. So they said it like seven times walked. Incredible flex. So tell us le- let's start with you. What is your history your relationship with the move? Oh, by the way, today's movie is Deb's. Yes. Deb's is a cult classic. Yes. Two thousand technically two thousand and four but release widely in two thousand five rom com, technically, although it feels like a Dekom to me in a lot of ways of getting a lot of Dekom vibe show. Yes. So many screens. Yes. Even screens in like goofy. Like, boiling kind of music, very Dekom. Great. I loved it. And what is your experience -ly? Okay. So my experience so because I'm going to say, yeah, I feel like I I saw Deb's in college which would make sense that was like right after it came out. And I would say my experience with Deb's is that for a really really long time when we would try to talk to like friends or or people about like queer movies. We would say for a long time. There's like one like good queer movie. That's like a real movie, which is imagine me, and you and then there's like two amazing like campy movies, and those are Deb's, and but I'm a cheerleader. And so for a long time Debs was like that Goto of like, it's so terrible. An amazing just all at the same time. And there just wasn't a lot else out there. So so you'd kind of just watch those we talked about this on our, but I'm a cheerleader episode where Chile king our guest was like there. Are only two fun lesbian movies and one of them is, but I'm a cheerleader and the other one is Deb's been like a request for a long time. Yes, it's such a classic. It's such. It's such a horribly amazing movie. The first time that I ever saw. It actually was when I watched it with Lee when he was on our podcast. Yeah. Called less. I had never seen it. Yeah. It was the first time that I had seen it. And I don't know why I hadn't seen it before. But I'm also a bit younger than Li. So I was I was definitely not a lesbian or I was a lesbian. But I wasn't out when Depp's came out. So I saw it for the first time then and have since watched it probably five or six times. Yeah. Because everything else is so depressing. Like if you want to watch something the and lesbian like, that's it. Jimmy, what's your relationship? Like most movies. I'd never seen it before. Until today. I watched and I watched it twice in a row. And it's like it's so up my alley in so many ways, but it's just like, the low budge vibes. You get from it. The multitude of like the character actors are out in this movie, some wild character, actor choices that outfits are weird. I just it's it's everything. It looks like a cost seven dollars to make an I loved her Donna Brewster, and it was just great in this. She's so good. And it's weird because I don't I haven't seen. I mean, I guess I'm mostly judging her catalog from seeing on her on my mom's soaps when I was really young because she started as a soap star and singer in the fast and the furious movies. But this is the most personality I've seen her ever display ever. It was just like a really like this, man. Yeah. What about you? Can I had not seen it either? I knew of it just because it had been request is common requests yet for us to do on the podcast. And that was the first time I learned about it. I think it's just I remember someone in like a college film class. I took presented on it. And being like college myself like, oh, you almost that. And then not watch them. Oh, work it somehow flew under my radar, which is unfortunate that this like fun queer movie was not even in my like wheelhouse. Or I just I wasn't aware of it. Because I feel like I have a pretty good handle on most movies. Even if I haven't seen them, I've heard of them or I know about them school twice. Thank you so much for bringing it up because you know, I don't like to mention that. I do have a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University. But yeah, it just did you go to be you. I went there between twenty twelve in two thousand fourteen we were probably the at the same time. Yeah. That's cool Austin? Yeah. Thr- I did my PHD. So. Oh, okay. Sorry. Iran to upstage. On my own. I'm sorry. I is much more impressive degree there. At the same time, though. My blood pressure. What did you study chemistry? Oh, I women. That's that's why it's like not impressive at all. And no one wants to hear about it. You know your. I'm not impressed by your PHD in chemistry at all. I think we also overlapped with the Cossio Cortez though. Didn't we oh, she was I think she graduated in twenty eleven I think that sounds right? Yeah. So I missed her she and I overlapped so once again. Okay. This is a this little spicy cast. Sorry. I'm never invited back to anything. No, you the PHD in chemistry. You can do whatever. The fuck. You aunt. Yeah. And I didn't earn day. I didn't mean for my reaction to be like, oh, it was more. Like, oh, I wasn't expecting that. I am actually very impressed. And you're a woman in stem. So that's great. Let me tell you the most common response that I think I've gotten when I the I tell people that I have a PHD in chemistry. I think the most common responses what else do you do? Really? So I'm not offended by any of these people to that. That's fine. I wanna fight these people. Lee has bought them. Go. I just told them about my awesome, lesbian podcast. That's all. I have two very niche things. It's cool. Oh, also, really, I also got some just taking the temp from the rim. I was also getting some Josie in the pussycat vibes from this movie visually like if Josie and the pussycats had like a fourth of the budget. Kind of like that. That's my statement. And a of the star power. They're like we have Holland Taylor. But we only have her for three hours. So. And she'll only film in one room, and it's green screen at every time fifty percent of this movie takes place in the same room. And I love it. Okay. So should I do the recap of the movie Deb's? Yes, please. Okay. We start with some wild voiceover. That says that there is a secret test hidden within the SAT that measures a student's innate ability to lie cheat fight and kill and those who score well on this test are recruited into a secret paramilitary academy, and they call themselves Deb's, though, ABS the first I thirty seconds of this movie. I was like what? It's like watching it three times to just be like, I get the feeling. They're not gonna explain this again. They never do. Do we ever find out what Deb's stands for? Yes. We do isn't game. Yeah. Yeah. Stanford. It stands for discipline, energy and beauty. Oh, but it's also like debutantes because endgame is like, prom, basically. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, she does. I forget doesn't like hall in Taylor indirectly define it like ten minutes before the movies over. Yes. A when she's reprimanding Amy a choice was made being a big old lesbian. You're one to talk Colin Taylor one to talk. I know there. This was like pre Holland Taylor didn't come out until a few years ago. Right. Yes. She when the movie was made choose leisure. She was leaving breadcrumbs for all of us. Yeah. Okay. So that's some of the background on dubs. Then we meet several of the Deb's as they're on their way to Deb's academy almost like Santa university like Santa university in Santa Barbara. For sure for sure we meet Dominique she is French. She's always smoking a cigarette. Very sex positive. Yes. She's gone. Many different dudes in her bed over the course of the movie. We meet Janet. She's a little absent minded, she's a little flighty. We meet max, she is the squad captain, and then we meet Amy she is the top student at dubs academy. She's a great spy, and she is in the middle of breaking up with her boyfriend. Bobby Lovie, Bobby? He's a. They did not do. They're like, no, no nothing. That's like cabal for Bobby. Geoff Stults would have been like hot off of his seventh heaven run at this point. Right true. Oh, I had I forgot that that was where I recognized him from there are so many people in this movie. Were you were like, Ooh, I know that you're from somewhere. I feel like he wasn't much more likable in seventh heaven to me. I mean, he's pretty horrible in this movie though. Yeah, he's the worst. I mean down to the pooper shells. God always bragging about his dad. Shows that belong to his father. Right. What is that? Like, you're my dad's shells. Please sort of this therapy. Keep your shells out of this for for them. He carries around a collection of his father's bracelets. Some unknown. And it's always like urgent for him to put the bracelet on her in mid air. It's like no you gotta put on my dad's bracelet now. Love it. Okay. So the four of these Deb's meet up with Phipps who was played by Michael Clark Dunkin and MS Petri who is Holland Taylor and queer icon, and they're like, hey, Lucy diamond is back in the states, and Lucy diamond might be a reference to something nothing that I've ever heard don't really general name so weird that those two were to be associated. I don't know. I feel like it's completely original and not an allusion to anything sick. Just checking. Okay. So she Lucy diamond is a smuggler. She's the leader of a crime syndicate. She started Brewster she's ridiculously high. She's very hot very, Amy. Definitely recognizes. Yeah. Oh, I just didn't expect her to be so real. Good. She straight out of like, many shampoo hair commercials. Even though no one's ever survived an encounter with her. Right. Yeah. And she is planning to meet up with an x KGB turned assassin named Nicole a notch. I like the Koch go a lot more simply cannot pronounce names. Yeah. Nkhatazo for Johnny dean. And so it was like, hey Deb's do surveillance on Lucy. But here's the thing. It's very dangerous because Lucy has never fought anyone who has lived to tell about it Amy is especially excited because she's writing her thesis on Lucy diamond. Of course, she is. And are they supposed to be the same age? That was quite I was like are you was she reading her thesis on some someone her age or is she supposed to be a little bit older? It's really unclear in the same way that it's unclear like, it seems like they're supposed to be in college through this. But they treat them like high-schoolers the whole time and they're dressed area typical private school high school students. Well, I don't know typical. I think they would definitely be sent to the principal's office. Yeah. They're dressed like a Halloween costume. Oh, yeah. We'll we'll talk about that. But yeah, I think they're meant to be like seniors in college, basically because they say they're in their fourth year of dubs academy. So Lucy's just like a renegade dropout who blazed her own trail, and thus is SAP material, drew. Yeah. Hard to say, how old Luci is meant to be. I got the impression that she was maybe a few years older than the Deb's. But again, how she's I mean? Right. Here's what we know. She's hot. She's a friend named Scud. Yes. I don't have any more questions. And we meet the two of them. And we find out that Lucy is planning to meet up with this new Nacho woman because they are going on a blind date, and we're like, whoa, Lucie is equipped icon as it turns out Scud is really wanting Lucy's to be in love such a good wing. Man Scud is like it's practically his job like we don't really see him do much else. Other than view like you gotta be in love Lucy move on. You got this like Dem's good? You really rooting for her Scott is like a walking Lesbos slash motivational poster in human form. Have to be open to love. So supportive. It's great peaks. Good. So the Deb's go to the restaurant for this stakeout and Lucy shows up, and she's there with her date, and it's not going very well, very tall restaurant. The ceilings are like eighty feet high. And no one ever looks up. No lucy. It actually is a pool if anyone noticed I noticed this. Really? Yeah. It's it's definitely an empty pool that they turned into a restaurant because on the wall it says like something about swimming. And if you look on the sides, there are little things that say the height of it, which is six feet. So it's not that tall. Fun fact, excellent budget. They had their great great great. So Lucy does spot the Deb's who are just like hanging out in the rafters? And so this leads to a big shootout. Oh, wait. It's not that she spots them. It's that Bobby driving. His shaggy dog done bracelets as you so want to do when you're hanging in little swings from a restaurants thirty foot ceiling on an espionage stint. They're all in like circus swings. Yes. Part of the plan. And then like every single one of bobby's dad's bracelets is a Chekhov's gun the second. It comes out. Gonna happen. I would also like to believe that there's an entire semester's class of dubs academy that is solely devoted to balancing. On those swing seats the circus because they like move they can like shift them back and forth, and they term at all. No, and the swing don't swing that much. They seem pretty stationer. I'm interested in this technology same. So there's this big shootout and Lucy and Amy find themselves face to face. But instead of killing each other they sort of vibe love that scene. Yes. It's great. And then Lucy gets away, and she goes to Scud, and she's like, hey, I met someone her name is Amy Bradshaw. And Scott is like you can't like her. She's a Deb. She's and she's like, not a, Deb. She's like the Neo Deb sees the perfect score. Which again, we have some very subtle coded language in here. And then Lucie sneaks into Amy's room. And she's like go out with me. If you do I'll tell you what you want to know for your thesis, Janet crosses their paths, one of the other Deb's, and so she instead get dragged along to this like nightclub that they end up going to and Amy Lucy start to get to know each other. And then they almost kiss and also Scott in janitor five air coming. We'll table there's a lot. There's a lot going on. There's a pool table. There's a bunch of people that are like straight out of your, you know, mid two thousands mall. Hot topic. Many mohawks. A lot of like giant metal ball. Necklaces. There actually is the guy with the potatoes. Sent you. I've seen this so many times at the last time. I watched it I paused it at a certain point because I was like is that a potato sack, and it was just letting, you know, look for that a lot of Easter eggs because I will watch this movie again, I think it's so much fun last. So she and Lucy almost kiss, but Amy is confused about her sexuality. So she gets up and leaves abruptly and now we're back at Deb's academy. And MS Petri is all like, hey, Amy lead this investigation to find Lucy and she also gets promoted to squad captain because she survived the Lucian count. Yes. Everyone's like, wow. What a hero. And then max is all upset 'cause she's like, wait a minute. I'm squad captain, this means there some tension between Amy max. And as they stated whilst on the swings. Their best friends and also maxed. It's something that I'm like, okay. This isn't what a great friend would say. But it did make me laugh of. When she was just like promise, you'll never go to art school. And like I wish I had a friend who had said that to me right because Amy doesn't have that much interest in being like a spy she wants to go to art school in Barcelona. Exactly. Yeah. Which is just like I feel like the default for any like broody girl in the ninety thousand movie. Yes. Want to be an artist or or a lesbian? I mean, just any either. Right. I should have been a hint reap signs. Amy read the signs. So then Lucy, robs a Bank just so that the Deb's will like go and try to stop her because she's trying to lure Amy there. So she can get closer to her an Amy's like uh sorry. But I'm not romantically interested in you Lucy. But then also, but in that scene Lucy. Also almost kills the Deb's has like it's a booby trap. I'm like excuse me. You almost killed the Deb. She's like what a good prank about this later. I I don't know if I want to be in a relationship with this woman. Now, I mean, we'll talk about the nature of their like the whole there's some strange twists. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the kiss Lucy, and Amy kiss and Amy's all like, she changes her mind, she goes with Lucy, the Deb's all think that she's been kidnapped. But it's really just them hanging out spending time together and having a great time. Which is a great montage. Also, they do appear to be in plain sight almost all the time, right? Also, the montages confusing time wise because it to me this montage appears to take place over the course of like, many moons. Yeah. Along mention later that she's only kidnapped for a week seven days. So they really they just kind of made it seem a little bit more than it was maybe they they move really fast. I guess I mean, lesbians, let's let's not talk about lesbian stereotypes quite yet. But also they're in their college age. I feel like in college a million times. I would I would tell anyone I loved them after we can't love me. Sure. Could be true. So then MS Petri orders a search for Amy and the dubs find her while she and Lucy are naked in kissing and so in an effort to cover up what would be a scandal for dubs academies since like Amy was consorting with the enemy. They plan to instead they're going to name her Deb of the year at the big endgame event. And it's Max's idea as Max's idea, and she's very smart, and she's going to give a speech to accept this award. So to speak and her ex boyfriend Bobby is going to be there with her to make it look like they're together. Nobody has ever been more excited to take out a girl who has no interest in them than body is to take her to end. When they're dancing on the dance floor. She's literally like standing still, and he's like busting all these moves. He doesn't look at her at all Bobby is such a cho-. It's. I was pissed when max called Bobby when they had a lead on where Amy was I was like man max, that's not what friend does don't call the ex boyfriend who's who wears pooper shells. Call him never ever call hookah shell guy ever. So we're almost at the end of the movie everyone is mad at Amy for her whole like consorting with the enemy thing. And she's forced to suppress her feelings for Lucy, and she'd say that she's not in love with her even though we know that she is because she wait sorry super quickly. We missed a really important part of the movie. Oh, what the montage where Lucy diamond decides to reform her ways? Oh god. Yes. Because in order to be in love, you do need to change everything about yourself. Right. So Lizzie like, I'll do whatever it takes to win Amy back. And so she starts to return all the money that she stole from people. The help and support of skied has got his they're they're singing karaoke together in what appears to be her bedroom. Like, they're just. Bedroom pan out and there's four other people there. Yeah. So, you know, like every crime up ration- has their backup dancers. Okay. True, especially during a reform montage. That she has a little Batman signal that diamond that turns into Amy be mine. That's great. So now, we're at endgame, which was essentially at this ball, prom kind of thing and Amy is giving her speech and Lucy shows up to be like, hey, I actually love you, and we should be together, which was sort of Scuds idea. And then Amy is like, hey, here's my speech. It's such an honor to be a dead, and blah, blah, blah. And then she's like, but just kidding, man. She's yeah. She literally gives the whole speech, and then she's like, comma J K, and that is why I actually need to tell you that. I love Lucy diamond. Also, wait, can we just come it real quick on the speech accepting the Deb's highest award? Jane? Oh, I was that we didn't get it. It's just there throwing them left. Wow. Damn feeling gets taken many viewings of this movie to just really pick out all of the super subtle hints. And, you know, just hidden language in there. There's a lot of first of all really funny jokes. And I feel like a lot of them are fairly subtle. Like there was stuff. I was picking up on didn't pick up on until my like second viewing. And I feel like there's still a lot of stuff that I missed so. Yeah, I'm excited to go back and rewatch it so Amy's like she professes her love for Lucy Lucy. Is there? There's this big fight that unfolds, and then Lucy and Amy are running around the cross paths again at the same place that they did the first time they meet and they're like, oh my God. Let's be together and all the Deb shop, and they're like, wait. That's the way. Does that mean that endgame took place in the pool restaurant? Oh, I guess says only. Station scenes, they did have one building for ten days, but that hoax in. It's like a warehouse that they're running around in. So maybe the basement warehouse under the pool restaurant, which is also in Deb's academy deficit kademi the exterior may have been mostly a green screen. I'm not totally. I don't I guess they sort they could have been in the pool restaurant. So then Amy lose your like. Yeah. Let's be together. And the dubs are like, okay, we accept you. And that is pretty much the end of the movie they ride off into the sunset. They got in Janet get together to. Yes. Yes. That's true. Endings all round. Indeed. 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So go to third love dot com slash TB. See for the Bechtel cast y'all go there now to find your perfect fitting bra and you'll get fifteen percent off your first purchase. That's third. Love dot com slash TB. See for. Fifteen percent off today, and we're back. I lo-. Oh, there's so much to talk about lots to talk about. So to start us off Lee, and Elliot we just wanted to get your take on just kind of the overall representation as as we already kind of talked about this is one of very few like fun queer women movies that exist at all. Still to this day. So we just want to kinda get your initial thoughts on like the representation of queer women in this movie and just sort of your initial take on on that there's a lot there's a lot to be so much. I mean one thing we will say is. I wish it wasn't so accurate to be like, oh, here's one lesbian. She's a crime Lord. And here's the other lesbian. She is an over achieving student, and they're gonna like move in and fall in love in approximately three hours. Well, we have you hauling which like we like to say is a lesbian trope that honestly is true. Like, you know, when you're like, that's a stereotype. But then you look around at all your friends, and they're all live together. And they've been together for like, six months. So describe for us what you hauling means. Okay. So you hauling is a lesbian term where basically there's a joke. What is a lesbian bring on a first date a U haul basically that who've? Who've who've in together very quickly. He would never heard that term before. That's funny. Oh, really, I thought everyone knew just live in a lesbian world. So yes. So it's just it's a stereotype that lesbians move very quickly fall in love very fast and go through like every stage of the relationship very quickly. So seven days, isn't really that unrealistic. I know I wish it was less accurate. But that's pretty accurate. I do want to talk a little bit about one of the things that I think is problematic about Lucy diamond. Yes. Even though I love her and she's so beautiful. She is the predatory lesbian stereotype. Yes. Like, which what I mean by that. Is you have in lesbian movies, usually one person who is already out and a lesbian or bisexual? However, they identified but they're already out. And then you usually have someone who's in the closet, and you have this person who's already out pursuing them, very aggressive. And then kind of like trying to coax them out. Acquired to try and turn them in a way, which is very problematic. So Lucy diamond at one point says she's into me, but she just doesn't know it yet. Right. And then continues for the entire movie to basically hold Amy hostage in order to get her to fall in love with her, right? Yes. Right. I found this to be very similar to another problematic. Trump that we come up upon in hetero. Romance movies, just semi predatory romance and Jenner right, basically, framing stocking as romantic where she does so many different things where she shows up in Amy's room various time invited she threatens her with a weapon to get Amy to go out with her she robs a Bank, and then almost kills her friends to again, try to get closer to her. I still can't get over the hump booby-trapped excuse. I'm like who? Are you kidding? And Amy also is like it's very sweet that you did that right? Is it? Yes. Like, I don't know if that's the right term. I feel like they're all things were if any part of this movie was even a little bit serious. It would immediately fall apart. Yeah. For sure because this is a very silly campy NV. Oh, yeah. But yeah, that was one of the biggest things I noticed as well where Lucy she is basically stocking Amy, but it's framed as romantic, and this method of seduction yields successful results because they end up together and not for nothing. I found it interesting where I totally agree that there are like elements of predatory romance between Lucian Amy, but Bobby kind of does the same thing to Amy at the beginning of the movie where she can't get away from him. And he is like why did you break up with me? Why did you break up with the news like popping up on her to her devices, then he slides in on his freaky? Swing. Why did you break up with me here where my dad's bracelet, and like it it seems like a pattern in Amy's romantic life? Yeah. But the story doesn't really address that. When when Bobby is doing it. It's framed as she feels as though she's being pestered and anoint yet. Ballot. You've done when Lucy does it. It's like, oh, wow. Look how much she likes Amy and look at all the effort she's going through to try to get with her keeps almost killing other people. Don't safely shouldn't be with them. In fact, Lucy even says at one point two, Amy, she's like, you say, I can't see you. I see you. Anyway, it's this little game we play, and it's supposed to be this like, you know, cute moment. But it's like, no, you're. Right. It's like is it a game? Or do you have a tracker that somehow can identify everyone in the world is either not Amy or Amy and she does have that. Yes. And then when the when the writing also indicates that like being stocked is secretly what Amy really wanted anyways. And Amy really did want Lucy coming after her because this is what she like it just it. It's just not a good message for for young impressionable. We'll no not really even even if that predatory lesbian returns giant cartoon sacks of money with dollar signs on the. Just not enough. Well, that was another. I'm I mean that was another thing that sort of bugged me about their relationship. And I guess I mean, it is such a campy movie that it it's not like I feel like no I wish he was a mean Bank robber forever. But that felt like another well-worn trope of like one person needs to change everything about themselves for this relationship to work like you have to we're there's literally that scene with Scud. I just can't say it enough. We're like Lucy's like man, I really love Amiens Scuds like so do you want to give up everything you've worked for and Lucy's like? Yup. Hugh, the montage well, and it's funny because there's this huge running theme in the movie about like finding yourself, right? And they have that whole conversation when she's kidnapped being like, you know, you should be doing what you love and Lucy's like I am doing what I love. But then she tosses that out the window. You know, maybe she could be a pirate though, Li on this JV was so weird to he's like Lucy pirates are criminals, and he's like what? Oh, everything I wanna be falls under the criminal category. Yeah. So now what she going to do after she's returned all this money. Like can she even afford to live? Now seems like she probably can't afford rent on her a big people cannot live on a art grad student salary. Save Lucy's go to go to grad school there pucks. I do not assume that she did very well on her SAT's because she definitely that dude. There. Oh god. Yeah. There's I mean who knows there's a lot of parts of that relationship that just don't work in terms of setting an example. But there are other scenes between the two of them that I really liked. I really liked that scene where they were talking about, you know, Amy is going with the path that she was put on without questioning it and then Lucy's challenging that. And she's like, yeah, I do bad stuff. But it's like that was choice. I made and I stood by which makes it weird or that. She dials back on it later. Right. I liked that same between them a lot. Like, they do seem to challenge each other. And a lot of ways and don't hold back, which is nice because Amy doesn't do that with her friends as much right? Yeah. You do I feel like in so many mainstream movies, which of course, are mostly hetero. You see the romantic relationship, if there is one in the movie, you rarely get a sense of like why the two characters like each other or what they? Necked about or what they even talk about. But I feel like in this movie, you get a more of a sense of why they connect and. Yeah, it is. I mean for the first chunk of it Lucie is using some very questionable tactics. And not even just the Stocker stuff. It's like she's also kind of like nagging her and or like being condescending to her like in the scene when they're in the nightclub. She's just kind of like being mean to her in a weird way. Well, that's that's flirting. Right. Yeah. That is flirting. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. The timeless tactic that works on us. All. The the thing that comes out in the seem in in the club that may be laugh. The most was like you can tell that. Maybe at some point. Angela Robinson gets the story. No that like we should make it like don't make Lucy too bad because in that like Amy's like, we'll haven't you killed a lot of people at least he's like, no they died of various diseases and or froze too. So. I'm actually a viable love interest. And name is not a murderer. I'm just robber. That may be. I don't know. I I thought that that was like very fun campy on purpose bad writing. And I enjoyed it. I hope it was on purpose. Because if not that is nuts, right? Well, and that's an and that's sort of the one line where Amy's like, you're just not what I expected, you know. Yes there. I'm sold on this now. Yeah. You know in you, ask someone if they murdered someone and they say, no, you just believe them, right? If they're hot. But only if they're hot only if you wanna kiss them. Yeah. And and I think it's believable to because their actual sexual chemistry's. Really believable. We don't get very often in lesbian films because you have less of them. So the percentage of like good chemistry is going to be lower. Right. Sure. Of but I actually like them together. Like when they're romantically together. They're cute together. They're believers Seabrook. Yeah. Gather I was rooting for them that montage Sedona. A lot of sitting on cars the milk. Yeah. Yes. Spooning on cars milkshakes. I'm like, yeah. Sure. Gifting each other handcuffs. Just just kid stuff. The thing. I wanted to talk about is in terms of like the queer representation, I feel like if there is a character in a movie who is like identifiable a lesbian in mainstream movies. She's I feel like she's often. She will often be fairly Butch presenting unsurprisingly a lot of these movies are written by straight people who have a very specific idea of what lesbians look like and how they present. So it's like pulling from those stereotypes, and then helping to reinforce them in this movie the to queer characters who we see are very fem. And I feel like you rarely see that in not that this isn't especially mainstream movie, but like I said in in mainstream movies, you're seeing these various stereotypical ideas of how lesbians present, and it's always like plaid flannel wearing like short hair like, you know. Nice pair overalls. Yes. Well, and this this is also one of the only movies that you have both of them being fem. I do feel like a lot of the times you have one super Butch lesbian. And then one bisexual feminine woman like that's like a very common pairing. But to have both of them be fan, presenting is not as usual. That's what I was. Because I think they are trying to be like, well, look there are different lesbians. But only if one looks like a man and one looks like a woman there, they have this like hetero normative look to them, even though they're lesbians. Right. Yeah. So I thought that was the very least interesting that you see that onscreen win. It's normally not that way. Well, while we're on the topic of how characters are presented in in this movie. Just like a quick a quick moment for wardrobe choice in Studi. So it's a camp movie. I get that. However, I mean, I think that this. This movie it's confusing because this movie is so over the top campy at times. And I'm like, I don't know if you if you were making a point or if this is just what was in the budget. I had to say, it's hard to know. Sometimes I wasn't sure if the costumes were commentary or if they were just not good enough money for more fabric, yet the budget, being whatever they Robinson's pockets that day. Yeah. Right. Because they're wearing private school girl. Plaid skirts like that are way shorter than even the other students at Deb's academy. I who said earlier that it looks like Halloween costumes that seems the perfect ocean. Which one is not appropriate for the spice stuff that they're doing like, no. Because some of them are wearing heels wings to if anyone ever looks up expedite if anyone looks up in that huge restaurant. They're going to be like, you know, I, you know, I don't know. We do we. We know what you're getting at here. I don't there's the wardrobe and this falls into like, I don't know. I mean, there's there's a lot of this movie seems to be parodying movies. Like Charlie's angels. Right. But seemed to just sort of be making some of the same choices without much commentary at times, if there was ever a point in the movie where it was pointed out that like, hey, this outfit doesn't make sense for what we're doing. Then I would sort of be more willing to be like, oh, it's satire. But they just kind of always dressed in ways that they could be so easily killed right? Not practical. And also were you just have to wonder I mean, for how many guns they carry in this film, where they keeping them where do high guns in that skirt? That's what I wanted. And they're huge. Huge guns. Yeah. I I had a lot of these very same questions. Also, when you consider the what I imagine is the intended audience of this movie, which is queer women it then becomes I guess catering to like, the queer female gays rather than the male gaze because you know, it's these traditionally by western beauty standards. Traditionally beautiful women who all have the same body type. They're wearing these tiny skirts. Some of them are wearing shirts that reveal their mid-riff like some of them are in heels. So it's catering to I would think different gays than we're used to seeing when it's, you know, a a mainstream, but the Albany are the same, but they are the same, and it is still showing like this very specific and rigid standard of beauty because again, they all have the same body type. Yeah. There's there's no like diversity in terms of body. Type in this movie early at all I mean max is a little shorter than the rest of them. 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I mean, there are a lot of ways in which I have to say the women, you know, they get guns. They have agency there smoking there. You know, like sneaking boys their brooms like there's a lot of things where they don't. They don't really kind of treat them like they're not able to do the things that they're supposed to be doing. It's just right in a very very campy way. Well, and even in their hand to hand combat. I don't think a Deb has ever been knocked out. But like all the men are just incapacitated. That is one of the cool. Yeah. I really agree is is okay abilities are never called into question, which although I have one important question about Deb's abilities. Which is when you have endgame, right? And Lucy crashes endgame and Amy runs away with her. Ever unsease Lucy diamond that dude sounds the alarm and everyone freaks out and starts running isn't every single person. At endgame supposed to be a highly trained. Lose their minds. They're like. Right. Great point four dead's. The only devs who seemed to have any idea of what they're doing. I just think that when I was during my first viewing. And then for some reason during the second viewing. It was like I don't care. But like at the Deb school. I'm like, why are they the only four that ever get to do anything or the other types just not ready or are they doing stuff we just don't know freshman, what are their houses about they're the top wad? Like the top squad. Maybe they gun privileges or something, I don't know seniors. And then here's something I wasn't totally clear on is Deb's academy like an all women's school or their Doumen go there as well. It doesn't look like it. But also, I don't know. But then what is bobby's deal because he's always wearing something that says homeland security. Yeah, I don't think he goes to dubs academ-. How did they meet, you know, spa mixers? Oh, I'm dating a Deb. I'm. Of homeland security you meet on a stakeout at the pool. Rush. Right. Nice meet cute, very cute. But they do make Bobby look like an idiot like in always. Oh, yeah. He can they can never find Lucy diamond at the end he gets beat the crap out of by Lucy diamond with literally one kick out. So the men in this movie are not great except for Scud from also gets knocked out though by Janet. But he lets her because he's in love is into it. Yeah. Feminist icon Scud because love is hard E. War is easy. Love is hard. Another thing that we don't get to talk about that much in this movie. I think goes kind of halfway is you don't get to see women eat in movies a lot which is also crazy. But we there is that scene at the very beginning. When they're with Michael Clarke Duncan where all four of them at least order breakfast. And you hear that at least max appears to eat food and the rest, maybe not as much, but Dominique literally just gets a coffee coffee black. But she's all she was she just exists on coffee and cigarettes. And that's it like all good. French people do coffee six and sex. Thing law by new podcast. Yes. But I I was like we didn't get to actually see women eat, but they did order. I feel like that's not quite enough. It's a step in a better five, you know, getting the order that's progress. I wanted to go back quickly to sort of the conversation about basically, just the fighting that we see which is often the women fighting men, and we've talked about this on different episodes where it's like, okay. Well in a in an ideal world where we have gender equality shouldn't women like shouldn't men be able to like fight women and these action scenes, and like maybe even knock them out and stuff like that. And it's been a complicated subject that we don't really know how to broach especially because in movies so far in where there's action sequences where there are women fighting. It's usually they're fighting other women so. Right there. Only given a rolling pin? We defend. In this movie. Like, we said we've see like women fighting and unusually kicking the shit out of the men that they're fighting. Yeah. Which you know, I enjoyed I feel like that's a step in the right direction. And I think that the the reason that it doesn't really like I like that conversation as important as it is doesn't become super relevant to this movie because it's so campy. And so it's not like, you know, we know that the dubs are better fighters than all the guys are going up against into going into it. So it's never like a battle to the death with a like with a man fighting over like, you know, the Deb is going to win. Right. And that the man isn't going to die. So the stakes don't feel quite as like, you're like, okay, Bob. He's gonna get his ass kicked. And we're going to love it. Right. There is also some way in which it it. A little bit helps the cheesy high school Catholic schoolgirl outfits is that you know. When you look at Bobby and the like, the CIA guys and all those other spies are out there with like their suits in their outfits in their things in their bulletproof vests in there, you know, like big commando, boots and everything and the Deb's are just like, whatever all I need is a tiny little skirt. Maybe a flimsy button-down some heels and like a giant gun, slinging kick your ass. Right. Like, it kind of has that same thing as like Buffy always did where it's like she's just going out there and her jeans and her big blue duster coat and Chiloe is win. And she'll exactly yeah. I don't know. I was weird. I mean, seeing I agree that the the way that the like I think because the ability of the dubs is never in question, nor is the ability of Lucie that this movie. I mean, maybe that's what makes it so easy. And it's so comical how the men are defeated that. Right. Like it says, no one doesn't like watching body. Get punched in the. Fate. It's different than seeing like wonder woman versus captain America. And one of them is going to kill the other. You know, like, it's Jammie different university. Is you know, I don't go good. I never. Got the day Lucy diamond shows up in like, the NC you that's all my. Does that wait does that mean that if they're in different universes? They can't meet a cut in America and wonder woman, ever, they can never mind. Don't imagine. Well, I mean, maybe marvel and DC will, you know, ten years down the line half to cross over hard to say, I hope that maybe there will be a Justice league versus avengers movie. In fact, I'm pitching right here right now just scare that Hollywood. They should just stop making too many. I think there should be more Spiderman into the spider verse movies for sure I think there should be at least twenty of those. But yeah, they can take a break with the feeling there. There will be if you just give him time all be patient. Well, that's one of the things with the movie dubs is that are four main. Deb characters are all women. The main villain is a woman the head of Deb's academy, which is someone who all the Deb's look up to is a woman. All of the male characters are secondary or tertiary. Like, you don't this is a movie populated almost entirely by women in the the men who are in this movie are hardly in this movie. They I mean at the beginning, they try to do like, Michael Clarke, Duncan is very much like doing an angels wake up kind of thing. And then it's immediately revealed that holiday filler is his boss. And if we're going to talk about problematic things, so can we just real quick touch on Mr. Phipps who I mean, while we talk about Lucy breaking into my gosh. Without permission all the time. Can we talk about how he can apparently just like operate? Hologram operating. Warning. Yes. And then has the DASS ity to give an inspiring monologue. When he gets there is like, are you kidding me is one is it inspiring after you just told someone that your basic test for aptitude is how good of a liar. You are. Right. I it sounds like Deb's should be the bad people based on the way they described the test, right? How they can lie cheat fight and kill. But then they're like, and you're the best at it. So you're goody two shoes. Like what what it's confusing who knows? But yeah, I mean, there's a few scenes where there's a room full of people MS Petri will be there. The dubs will be there will be like maybe one or two men in the scene, and the men are just treated the way that women often are in action movies, which is that they are basically scenery who are extras who don't say anything. There's the scene where MS patriots promoting Amy too. Squad captain, and she's accompanied by two men and another woman and the two men don't have any lines that scene. It's only women talking. There's another scene. It's like the aftermath of Amy being discovered having a romantic relationship with Lucy and all the dubs are there. Miss patriots there. Bobby and Phipps are there. But I think Bobby has one line in that CNN, otherwise men do not talk in the and it's just like, and it's only after max tells him exactly what he's doing right day. It's like, okay. Yeah. So bobby's basically in that scene to be offended that anyone might find out that his ex girlfriend is into a girl. Right. Yeah. She which he later dials back on with a gross common. Toll on the swing which I don't think it's any mistake that that statement and the Pook bracelet are in the same. Like, he's like, oh that lesbian thing. It's actually pretty hot. Yeah. Because tonight fuck you. He's like, I know you still love me and your whole thing. That's coulda hut. Yeah. I think that that and Janet has one line at some point when when she's trying to like shame Amy for the whole thing. And she's like, you're just a slut a lot. I two of the worst lines for me in terms of, you know, problematic things said the movie for sure, yeah. There's a few other things that are pretty homophobic. I would say in the movie, but I think because it's so campy you I think you do realize like those characters are clearly they're making it portrayed that they're wrong. Even this Petri tells Amy like, you were out having your college, lesbian experiment. Yeah. Right. Like, this is just a phase that you're having and you if you barris the Deb's by being an experimental lesbian, which is obviously problematic. Ray we're there any characters that made those comments that didn't receive come up in Slater because I was trying to keep track of because once Bobby made that comment in the in both of those scenes, it's I dunno. I my head just went to like, okay. He has. To get his ass kicked. Or this movie isn't doing what it's supposed to. Well, I think Janet gets away Scot free. And she the most homophobic of everyone because she is shaming Amy so hard for liking Lucy diamond when when they almost kiss she so offended. She has that whole like she almost kissed you, and you almost black. That's what I'm interested in. And what everyone thinks about like the story. I feel like protects itself in a lot of ways in in a way, we're able to say kind of problematic things, but because they set it up as like Amy's a hero in Lucy's a villain and conflicting those the two issues right is sometimes they're saying something about like it's kind of coded language of like sometimes they're talking about like, well, the hero doesn't like hook up with the villain. But they're also not talking about that. I don't know it seems like the Janet character especially kind of gets away with stuff like that by couching it with. Well, she kills people. So you can't be with her. Also, the thing I'm not fully saying like. Yeah. Except for the times, she does fully say and thing is Janet is doing all of the same stuff at the very same time. Like, she's also in contact with Scud and having this old flirtation and different. Different because he's a boy, right? But I would I would say at least my read on it is that in most cases in many movies. If a homophobic thing is stated that is how the movie feels about it rather than how a character who is framed as being wronged by the move landfills about it. So I feel like with the exception of Janet and Hearst sort of weird take on everything. And then getting off scot-free about it. I feel like generally, the homophobic things that are said are said by characters who we as the audience understand that feels more satirical and a low in or. Yeah, I mean, even an even with Holland Taylor's. I kind of wish hall in Taylor's character was a little more double down on like her being clearly very wrong. But we always know that she I mean, we we it's already set up that she is a problematic person in general when she doesn't give. A fuck about any of her men tease until they do something that makes her look good. So she's already set up as like a very petty person. And so when she goes on to make comments like that. It's like, well, we already don't like her. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like mystery is not the the redeemable character in this. I feel like it's the arc is supposed to teach you about finding yourself and being true to who you love. And it does that not using her. It's kinda, you know, you're watching that with Lucy and Amy max to a certain extent is a character who I think is shown having that growth of realizing like, oh, we'll a true friend will support you no matter. What right agree max. I mean. Well, we haven't talked about that friendship a lot yet. But maximum Amy's friendship is also very interesting and also because their power dynamic, and that friendship shifts a couple different times in the space of the movie where at. The beginning. It's clear that max is in charge of the friendship. She's like, hey, if you go to art school. I'll fucking kill you and Amy is like, okay. And so it's like, okay max is in charge. And then you see her have like that crisis. And the thing is like when Amy's put in charge of the Deb's for not being killed by Lucy. I don't know exactly where the movie how the movie wants you to feel. But I was like, oh if I was max, I would also be upset because Amy's always talking about. She doesn't want to be a Deb max is busting her ass. And then has it taken from her because Holland Taylor's character isn't paying close enough attention to what the truth is. Right. And and so I was like on Max's side for a good portion. And then she is very professional for the most part. And like compartmentalize is is like, okay, we're on the same team. So I'll do it and then Amy immediately fucks up and almost gets all of her friends killed. So I'm double on Max's side. But then at the end, the dynamics which is again when max is like okay deny everything and like play by the rules. And then I didn't like her again. I don't know that character is all over the place. But then she and then at the end. Like, it's almost like careful. Character development was not the most important thing in just flip flop and all over the place. I was on. I was on Max's side for a lot of the movie, and she she really lost me in that scene where it's explicitly max who is like is this is my idea deny deny deny get back with your homeland security pupa shell guy. Yeah. The second. She suggests body it's all downhill for you from their max and literally puts words into her mouth security. I wrote for you say everything that I say, even when the other girls are like what if she is in love what if she makes her happy, I said, Amy and max had a long discussion after the movie so really sorted their next pops up from the backseat in the car and out their feelings. Oh, good. Well, what what I couldn't help. But notice about that relationship dynamic is that the two non white Deb's in the group are when it comes to Dominique she has very little screen time, and or bearing. Basically just there is a visual joke. Who's always smoking a cigarette or having sex, which is pointed right and someone even calls. I think it's Amy who calls her like a sex addict. And it's like, no, maybe she just that whole line is problems ex because she calls people crazy and sex addicts. Yeah. That whole line can go. So it's either Dominique not having any bearing on the story or its max whose actions are often presented as an obstacle for Amy. So she ends up being sort of an antagonistic force for Amy a lot of the time. And meanwhile, you know, Amy's a blonde white lady and the characters who are people of color are either not doing much in the story or they are in some way in antagonistic force. Yeah, they're they're very much there to help Amy story develop and not much else. There's they're not very. Sistan? There's no real growth or any like, you know, there's not as much given to them as characters yet. They're they're kind of props. And we're super we wanna know from our listeners like how you read that scene. I've had that. That's that was the one reason why max pushing back and being so frustrated when Amy just gets promoted out of nowhere. That's kind of like one of the reasons why that story point worked for me because it is just like this blonde. White girl who accidentally does the right thing is in is immediately put in charge, and then one of the only people color in the entire movie who we know really cares about what she's doing has gone unrecognised works going unrecognised forever. And she's just displaced immediately. And she's like she calls her friend out on it. And not for that explicit reason. But I don't know that that was part of the reason why I was like, oh, yeah. Max. Yeah. Fuck that. Like, that's. That's horrible. But then, but then they kind of sell that character out through poor writing. Yeah. Oh well. Movies are bad. Well, there's another very quick problematic line that gets said by Scud whenever they are doing this Bank heist to lure. Know that line is he says the R word. He does. That. Yeah. Scud, and it's funny because the way that he says it and the sentiment behind that line and his delivery of it is perfect. And that line just needs to go is it should have been a different word. Right. Like if had been any other. I mean, it's definitely one of those things where it's like it is a byproduct of a movie that was made in two thousand and like you'd never see that line of dialogue these. I mean, I also think that's true. If the guns I feel like you would never see the movie done this way with the guns the way, they are or the outfits. I bet like the outfits would be quite that way. Yeah. I I think that I I didn't realize that the R word was in this movie. I would not to cut a break in any way. But I I do sort of agree that that is a byproduct of the time it was made in it is. But that's I'm surprised that it didn't jump out at you. Because it is it's so noticeable. I feel like when you watch the movie to me it. Immediately was like this beacon where you're like. Oh, you can't say that. Like, you know, because if you were watching it today, it'd be like who approved this line of the grant, you know, too busy whacking off to Scud to listen to. Understand. The single worst sentence you've ever said Jamie, Scott, I think that's a fun phrase. Oh, goodness. I did want to just quickly point out Amy's thesis. She says my central hypothesis is that as a woman operating in a male dominated field. You felt the need to overcome overcompensation. Talking to Lucy felt the need to overcompensate by being exponentially more ruthless and diabolical than your established male counterparts. And I think that these psychological forces combined to create a kind of emotional void in which you're incapable of loving or being loved. Honestly, Amy's thesis sounds like a feminist text that I really wanna read. But I don't know. I thought I didn't really love that. These is of like I like that is that these is to me almost came off a little Blaney of like. Well, if you sure women didn't resent their male co worker so much they wouldn't be killing so many people. Hold on. I don't know that that felt a little product of its time. He phrase. Yeah. I didn't give it that. I also really love about it, though is like from a queer perspective. You know, I think those that whole idea of it's like, it's not that you can't love you. Just don't love the way. Everyone expects you to you know. I kinda like that part of it. Yeah. I like that whole scene 'cause I I don't know every scene where Lucy and Aamir pushing back on everything the other person says is good to me. Except is good liquid to there's a way in which it's well, it's not that it's bad. It's just there's a way in which I'm going to completely undo everything. We just finished saying about how like the depths are just so competent, and they can do everything that men can do in heels and skirts, and they don't need anything. Everyone in this movie is the worst spy. And that scene is one great example where Amy's like I have a gun point. But like oh hold on. Let me just tuck my gun under my arm to shake your hand and introduce myself until you, but my thesis and the only place where people are even verse spies than that is when the entire search and rescue operation descends upon Lucy diamonds layer finds her in a sheet and the doesn't arrest her still. They just leave. No shots. They walk away and leave her there even max who's supposed to be like this secret genius of the dubs is like unbelievable and just like beats it just leave, and they they leave and they don't even drive Amy home. They leave her to walk. That they're not very good spies. I'm just going to throw that out there. Dammit, Deb's dot the the last thing I had to say about desert. I went back, and I walked the short film. It was based on his ass. Yes. Yes. It is. I mean, it is. So it won a ton of awards the year. It came out of came out in two thousand and three. So it seems like this short film did really well, and it was immediately put into production to become a movie with the same budget with with the same budget except most of the budget went to paying hall in Taylor. But the the shortfall shells, high end Puka shells. If you're listening in you haven't seen the short film highly recommend it. It is even it moves even faster, it's like raunchier. And if I'm not mistaken, I think that the short film does have an all queer cast, while the theatrical movie does not or at least a majority queer cast, which I don't I mean, I think that I'm not the most qualified person to to make this comment, but it does seem like very often queer films when they're adapted for a larger audience are Darris sanitized a little bit and straight actors are cast in queer roles. I I've fairly certain I think if my research didn't fail me, Amy and Lucy or played by straight actresses and in the original short film. That was not the case weight is clear Kramer queer. If I liked just learning this now in the Amy and in in the in the in the short film. The original short film. No, you're right. I think it's the Ford Deb's that are that are queer. There's a majority topped us. Like sorry. I'm so my whole world is opening up there. No, also, Larry Kramer of glyphosate. Same from Bundy. I got really excited that she. No, I'm I'm so sorry. No, she she appears to be the only straight women in the movie. Or I'm just gonna premise L to sleep tonight's. No problem. I've fully ruined everyone's life. The one the one carryover from the short films cost is Jill Ritchie who plays. Janet. Who? Fun. Fact is kid rock's sister. So. So while amazing thing there's Deb's is one degree of separation from kid rock who knew something we all need to know. Lee in LA. Do you have any other final thoughts about the film Deb's? I do have one final thought, which is just I think while we it's so fun to ride on Deb's. And I love Ryan Deb's because I love it so much. I do think it's important to also mention that while we make fun of their their low budget and the effects and everything that it is interesting to see the transition from Deb's to what Angela Robinson can do with the budget, which is professor Marston, and it's such a far cry between those two movies that I just think it's at least worth pointing out. You know that Angela Robinson is still a beautiful human being for having us steps. And professor Martin's presser Marston. Agreed. And it goes to show when you have a queer woman writing and directing a movie about a clear love story, it's handled. This is not to say this movie is not without its problems. I it is handled. Much better than when these stories are attempted by non queer people. And usually those stories aren't even attempted by non people, but it helps when the person who is creating this story, and this content is someone who has experience and knowledge about these topics. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's heartening to see that someone making their perfect art about the queer spies can go on to have an incredible. I mean, she's had an incredible career. Professor Marston is amazing. She didn't she write and direct quite a few L word and true blood. And like, she's like you making Bank. She's chilling yet. Is she a woman of color? Yes. Yes. That is present me. Then the way that the women of color are treated in Deb's, then but. I would guess maybe it was producers could be. Yeah. I also feel like I think it stands out more with max. I don't know that max is that much less consistent of a character than everyone else in this movie. I mean, I think it's just everybody who is not Amy and Lucy kinda gets short shrift in this version. True and Lucy Giordano Brewster is part Brazilian. I don't know exactly how she identifies in terms of her ethnic identity, but she perhaps identifies as at least mixed not get clear on that. But you know, there's texter. Yup. Please text her and let us know what you find out. Great. So does this movie past the back door? Don't. Yeah. Big fat. Yes. On that. You know, an easy way to pass the Bill test is have to women. And instead of having them talk about a guy haven't talked about how much they wanna bone each other done surefire way. And in one of the very few scenes that I found where they do talk about men. They are talking about Bobby and Amy's like I broke up with Bobby. And someone says why and she's like he was just so boring. And then someone else says, yeah, he's an asset. When men are being talked about, it's usually in an insulting way. Which is great. I think also a super producers Sophie pointed out that this movie would not pass the reverse Bechtel test in that there are not two men. I don't think even talking to each other in the whole movie. But there might if there isn't defense that doesn't sound. Yeah. It doesn't. I don't think there's that scene where Scuds playing bingo with some guys like nobody response to him yet. And they certainly don't have names. Yeah. We don't know who any of those guys are the name of my new band is Scuds playing bingo. And this is a rare case of a movie passing the Vito Russo test a few listeners are not familiar with what that is the Vito Russo tests requires that a film must contain at least one character who is identified LGBTQ plus that character must not solely or predominantly be defined by their sexual orientation or gender identity. In other words, they should be made up of the same sort of unique character traits that are commonly used to differentiate straight characters from one another treated like people. But yeah, oh strange and the q character must be tied into the plot in such a way that their removal from the story would have a significant impact. So this movie without question passes. The Vito Russo test as well as the Bechtel test. So. In fact, I would say in terms of the Bechtel test. This is sort of like an estimated guess, but I would say around seventy percent of the movie is characters passing the Bechtel test. Constant constant conversations with named women who are not talking about men. So and just imagine if they had cut bobby's character it could have been like ninety eight percent. I mean, right. I think we need more Bobby erasure. Yes. Except when it's king of the hill. In that case. More buff, more, Bobby. Okay. That's an interesting take. We can have a Bobby debater. So let's rate the movie on our nipple scale rating of zero to five nipples based on its portrayal of women Hm. I this is hard. This is a this is. I'm gonna give it I think four nipples because there are brief problematic moments here, and there in the movie does as we discussed subscribe to some of the stereotypes that we see of queer women. But the fact that the main cast is almost entirely women and in an inner pretty diverse Cass fairly. Yes. More diverse than your ordinary movie. But certainly in two thousand five yeah. But still no diversity in terms of body type at least among the main four Deb's. Yeah. I think that aside from a few problems that the movie has which I think can be attributed to it being a movie of two thousand four I would say it does fairly well in terms of showing women who have agency and who are propelling the story forward, and it's fun to watch. It's a it's a funny movie. He it is silly suck. But like as they're so little movie without the women. Without any of the women is based on a swing with some bracelets the top of his lungs, right? The movie doesn't exist without the like six main female characters that are needed for this story. So and Scott playing bingo. I would watch that short film on. Yes. So it's great. And the fact that it's as we discussed one of only a very small number of like fun queer, women comedy, movies and existence. I think that's great. So yeah, I'm gonna go with four nipples, and I'll give one to each of the four Deb's. Oh, oh. I'm gonna go three and a half. And the reason we didn't touch on this very much. But something that always kind of bugs me in in movies is when friendships are disrupted by a relationship and a new relationship. Suddenly destroys your friendship structure entirely and censor entire life into chaos, and I I was trying to like go through that entirely. And I do think that in some ways like Amy's relationship, totally shakes the foundation of like her relationship with all of her female friends. And that was the thing that didn't I don't know even though like her character ultimately grows, and I think finds the best of both schools of thought and whatever moves forward that was like one thing that I was like I didn't love that. I don't know. I mean, I guess movies need. Conflict, and if you have a majority female cast, there's gonna be a lot of conflict and infighting between women, but just the whole new relationship completely destroying friendship group for the most part wasn't my favorite thing. But it's also basically a queer Dekom, which is incredible. I I don't know. I mean, it's like, it's such a fun movie. I haven't enjoyed watching a movie twice back to back in a very long time. And it's great. I mean for all the fun ragging on the low production values. It's a good movie. And it's funny story is tight for the most. Yeah. I mean, it's an it's less than an hour and a half long. What more could you ask for? And so I thought it was last so I'll give it a three and a half or three and three quarters. I don't know someone somewhere. It's a scientific there's a wicked pedia page. Did you see that where people are leaving? So now, I feel more conscientious of my nipple ratings and losing sleep. Over it PD page for for us. And then they write down where the nipples. It's really stressful page. I didn't know that they were like documenting all of our nipple goods stupid rather frequently okay? So for whoever's making the Wikipedia page is say three point seven five, and I let her yes. Final answer. I'm going to give also if you are making the Wikipedia page, let us know that it's used so that we can credit you if you want, so I guess I'm going to give one to each of the dubs, except I'm giving slightly less of one to Janet. Okay. Okay. Sorry, Janet, but you are kid rock sister. So. Hard. Lead. You wanna go next with your eating? Yeah. I do. And I'm so Torness well because I feel like if I vote with my heart and my name stealth love for this movie. I wanna give it four nipples. I do also feel like I think it comes in slightly lower than that. And I think my problems do have to do somewhat with the fact that I think Elliot I both have our issues with the whole predatory lesbian trope. And I also do have an issue with the fact that I feel like they really toy in this with the age that they're supposed to appear. And so when you combine the predatory lesbian trope the fact that they're very much casting them as like high school girls. Even though they try to make it clear that they're not. Sort of keeps presenting them that way. Like, I that I have a hard time with so. Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe somewhere around three and a half to can we do we get to sign them as well. Yes on this is so exciting. I wasn't. I didn't prepare. Well this. Okay. If I have to sign three and a half nipples, I am going to assign one two Scud for his excellent motivational quotes. I'm going to give one to max because I just I think Macs should get something more in this movie. Yeah, I'm going to give one to Angela Robinson. Good for, you know, just the the gift of this and other things that she has given queer women, and I'm going to save my last half nipple, and I'm going to gift it to Australia because like what had Austrailia do to you. Gets sank or attitude. Well, I think I have to agree with you Lee that that's around a three and a half mine is because of some of the homophobic comments that just like, even if you're saying them and satire, I think they create a problematic message of friends not being supportive of their friends in lesbian relationships. And I think also the relationship between Lucy and Amy where of course, I love seeing them together. But when you actually take their relationship and put it on paper. It's very Stocker. Yes. So I really don't like that that being said I am going to give a nipple to Lucy diamond because nobody has given her nipple true. And what a hero. She needs one. All right. I'm also going to give a nipple to max, of course, and miss Petri because I love one time. And then have we'll have to go to Dominique because I feel like she's the underdog of this. She has a lot of agency and she's very sex positive to me. She seems AB calls her a sex addict. Yeah. So. Love it. Well, thank you to those of you so much for being here with us. This has been such a fun episode in such a fun movie to discuss having us of your here's where can people find you and follow you online. Is there anything that you would like to plug in terms of social media? You can find us at less. Hang out pod on all the social media, Twitter, Instagram and Facebook, and we also have a YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash less. Hang pod. And we post songs on there. 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#10: PTSD: My Other Playmate

After Bipolar Podcast

25:30 min | 3 years ago

#10: PTSD: My Other Playmate

"It's possible to beat by polar disorder without the use of meds. You can even have a shot at a normal life. I'll tell you. Hi, did that rather impossible first thing. And how I'm navigating the unexpectedly tricky second part. Hey, everybody. This is Ken Jensen. The after bipolar podcast episode ten PTSD. My other playmate. I'm really not sure where I'm going to go with this. But it matters matter someone to take a run at it. So so a Marine Corps Gulf war vet first goal for ninety ninety one. And some things happened on the way to the war out in the ocean. And things happened in the war. I wasn't actually in combat although it tried to bomb us a number of times Scuds one night in particular was we thought we were done. So. See how I'm going to go about telling those stories and a bit. I'm already on disability. Do security. For my polar disorder and also partially for. Some I destroyed spine. But. Veterans disability the disability pension. They call it. It's not the same. It's purpose isn't the same. It's more of. If you rate it you get it. But if you can still work. You can do whatever you you get the benefit no matter what. Because you're of veteran, and you proved yarn it it's it. Now what you'll hear what you'll read what I found. Was. You can't have both. You can't have both benefits at the same time. Well, that's a bunch of bullshit. You can totally have both at the same time. They do not serve the same purpose. Even though on the face of it. They look like they're the same thing. So. I went for the developers benefits. And I already knew based on my fight would getting civilian disability. I had to get a lawyer im- with the lawyer it took two years before we even. Went to court and won. I can't remember the specifics anymore. My head was scrambled back. Then. And that's another benefit of getting a lawyer. I couldn't think I had no sense of time. My memory was full of holes. Couldn't remember chronological order of events. Couldn't remember damn near anything and it hurt to think hard about anything. Beyond whatever, my brain was already chewing chewing on. So the lawyer very nice guy, very patient. He helped walk me through my working past. To find out where the hell I'd even had jobs because there were shit. I'd done at any member companies had never heard of because that wasn't what I called them when they hired me. And our remember them, and it was unbelievable. So I knew value of getting somebody professional saying to walk you through your. Your past like that to help build a legal case. So I started doing the same. With the veterans. I worked with a disabled American vets many many years ago trying to push this forward. I got denied. I had a good experience with DAV. I I can recommend them. So I let that I let that go for like, I guess seven years after they deny after they denied me, which is what they pretty much. Do. They just deny everybody. I. And I got denied for PTSD. I just let it go winded. Meet even take it that far. And I forget how long that went on went on for quite a while. But. Petered out. So then I let that go and hurt his years later. I got pissed off. I'm like I'm gonna look into again. I needed money. I needed to see if I earned these benefits. I I went to a local. Veterans organization guy was great. I like them a lot. But his approach was very vague. He didn't understand. A code that. I have which is story my life. Whatever the VA decided they gave me a code. He'd never even seen in the decision. He couldn't even find evidence of it anywhere whenever he did. Find didn't clarify anything. So he told me I had to go get seen again. As a psychiatric patient something. I haven't done, and I don't know. Twelve years or so fourteen. So let's see. Yeah. Something like that. So. I started that process, which became its own mini nightmare of confusion. My original doctor long since retired. And the guy just left me. You know, it's on you do that. And then come back to me because from there we can start working well that was like eight months ago, never got one fuck and reach out from this guy. How you doing with that? How come you? Haven't cold me, nothing that pissed me off something greatly? But as neither here nor there because I'd already come up with a second route. And I got my can't remember where I think it was in some veterans group on Facebook. And I heard about this company that will fight your case for you. But you pay them. Well, that's what I did would the lawyer for the the other disability, and he only got paid. If he won this company was the same way. I don't remember the name of it. I'll have it in the show notes. So I this company sent me a bunch of videos to watch to explain the whole process. And the questions that would be asked of me in the things that I had to prove qualify for this particular area, we were pursuing disability. In my case. It was I think mood disorder. And then so I'm answering thing I'm going through it all and it was many many many dozens of questions broken down by section. So, you know, I have a sense of these things. So as I'm moving along, I'm like. Kinda look like I got PTSD some some amount of it. And then I eventually had sit virtually. Cameron camera with a psychologist, and when we were all said and done he was like, you definitely be against. He said, you may you manage it? It's not creating chaos in your life. But it's it's keeping you from things you definitely have it. And that was kind of weird to me to hear. Because overall him I'm healthy and functioning. But yet are still a bunch of life. I can't do like other people. I don't care too. And if I try it just it just falls bar. So I was like shit. Maybe I mean, he says I do and I didn't make up any shit in my my answers. I told the truth. And I got thinking about I'm like, well at least as far as VHF concern. I got I got PTSD. I don't have it like the nightmare scenarios. You see would guys dream and combat and shit. I've got it. More in a sense of. Keep the keep the world walled off to a certain degree. And that became much clearer to me just recently. I don't know if this guy over here this or not. But when I did the fireworks tent, I found an unexpected partner to run the tent great guy. He bent over backwards to provide money. I didn't have to fund different portions of running a business because it was a business. He physically suffered as much as I did as his own set of health problems. And he's a vet. And. We made the tent was a success per it's expected projections. Now along the way and this happens to me a lot. And I don't know what to do about it still. This guy goverry attached to me. We were friends, of course. But. The longer. We were together we bonded on so many different areas in levels. And we did. And it was so many similarities to our lives. It started turning into you know, now, we're gonna get married. He had plans for all these things. We're going to do is good good close of buddies. And it was starting overwhelming. And and it just kept overwhelm me. And I tried to tell them. On the loner. I only do anything with other people. They it's within the context of some sort of project. I can't. And I can't ever just sit and hang out with someone. It's boring to me. And it it very quickly becomes incredibly stressful to me this includes family events. I can't do small talk. I don't like small talk makes you want to eat a fucked and gun metaphorically. I'm not gonna none of that part of my thinking desires, but I'm just like get me. The fuck out of this weddings are two worst. Because I can't take a lot of noise and excitement. I really can't. I prefer quiet. I'm loud as shit. Just me talking and how I can carry on and stuff I can get really wound up on certain things, and I enjoy it. But overall day is very quiet very much in my head peace with that. I prefer it the cabin in the woods. Always sounds beautiful to me. But I get along with people fantastically. Well, I make friends easy. I put other people at ease easily. But it's always would in the context of some other project some thing going on another example years ago, I took a side job bouncing if you can even call that at a club. And I can't do clubs even when I was an alcoholic practicing. I'd still rather be out outside in the woods camping out around firewood, a keg or anything or a room would just a few close friends just getting all fucked up. I never desired to go to a bar. Definitely not a club never wanted to dance. Still don't nothing moves in me. When I hear music. And the music starts to drive me. Crazy pretty quick. So I don't do things like that. And I'm fine with it a natural other key pointed this it's hard on everyone around me because this is what everyone else is normal. I don't fit into. But they want me around so bad. It's frustrating. They don't get why I don't want to do these things, and I flat out don't do them. So I don't hang out with anybody. I don't have any close friends zero. There's friends I love deeply that. I wish I could see, but they're spread out all over the country, mostly my marines, and then a few non marine friends that it wished desperately I had the money to just go and see once in a while even with them still not going to get together club, or blah, blah, blah. I live in fear being invited to another mem-. Wedding things like that. And it's it's it's a very odd dichotomy to live with I get startled easily by different things. I'm. I'm not on high alert doors near like I used to be. But I kinda got on I out. I always tell people would all these constant public fucking shootings and shit. Like you hear some of that happen? You're probably gonna wanna follow me because I'm not going to react the way people. Do I'm probably going to go proactive and see if I can't fuck that guy up. And half because he's pissing me off in disturbing. My calm day. So. This is this is a this is a thing. I find myself in very very recently. A particular would people fall in love with me. And then want me to become deeply part of their world. And there's no easy way to extricate myself. No, socially proper way. There's no way I ever see to not hurt people's feelings. I do my best to stab wish the working parameters of a friendship and act in such a way to enforce them. And I don't leave any openings for things to to go beyond what I can tolerate. And then everybody stays friends. I mean, there's a lot of people that are like because introverts I don't have. They don't have an ounce of PTSD. There's a book called quiet. I highly recommend that. If you're an introvert I read that and just loved that book because I was in even at bunk as like, nobody's all the way intro or extra. Roll a mix, but some of us lean more towards intro again. Like me I'm allowed as bastard, but I live quiet life. And I can't get far enough away. From people my dream is to have a house in the woods. I can't see or hear anybody own. Here's the woods in the wind. One of my most fervent desires, and yet I do love talking to people. I I absolutely love helping people would what I've learned I love solving problems with and four people. I just can't have around me all that much. And I definitely can't hang out with anyone. Wanna purpose is just to hang out for very long. I can't that's almost one hundred percent. And that's been a tricky thing and doing the work I do online. I do the best I can to to. Automates stuff and let the work do the talking for me. I try to limit my interactions with people or limit the perception that you can just come and get me. I try to keep that firmly in place the limit. You can't just come. And give me now. Again, I've also learned from some business training mentors wanna beat out accessible, if you're not if you're that accessible, you're never going to get anything done. In facebook. But almost one hundred percent to just track. The couple of groups I'm in where our trainings I get for other things on building. Don't follow the time line stuff. And I looked to see if anybody's personally message me because those are usually friends would something some kind of important that's worth noticing acknowledging and responding to and I'm fine with that. And it happens very little. But like I turned messenger off you never know if I'm in there or not. Because I don't want to be in there. I just need to trainings that sort of frigging groups that I belong to. That's where they the platform. They used to share the knowledge I wish they did shit on their own forums on their own websites. I wouldn't be in Facebook ever again. And it's just not no. It's weird. It's. I beat bipolar as I've stated throughout my my website outside his journey dot com. And. I realized over the years. I didn't beat it so much as I managed. It's act activeness right out a. Right out. You know? That was something. I was going to say it left me existence. I understood over the years that I didn't beat it. I found out what triggered it. And then I don't do anything that can trigger. It. I found out what I was lacking. So that I could bolster my health and ways that would then not, you know, let my polar be a symptom of poor health. I found out how to look at life. So as not to feed the energy into my bipolar prone aspects. The PTSD. There's a lot of a lot of it a lot of symptoms. Definitions are also the same in bipolar. So it was kind of. I don't know. It was interesting to find out that I might officially be this. And according to this doctor. I'm totally this like, it's. I don't I don't know. But I am where I agreed. What his why he said what he said based on their, you know, their decision points. I was like. Yeah. Well, in that case, I'm totally PT Estee. But I had like honestly, just look. At how my life is. And how I am with people and some of the problems I still have by being me now. Again, the problems I have most of them don't feel like problems to me, I'm fine with me, but I still got to interact with the world. That's what problems start. So it's forcing me to. Reevaluate once again, you know, where my head's at in relation to his new information. What it means off the back of the fact that I did everything did to beat bipolar disorder and how and and how that's gone, and well, I guess what I'm saying is I don't think the works ever done, particularly if you were a train wreck in the many fantabulous ways someone like I was I think there's always going to be work. There's always worked for everybody. But some of us a little more. So. So I'll I'll put the links for vets that company. And. My one new friend is hearing this. I have no way of knowing. I apologize for going dark on you. It's self preservation. And. I don't know how to do a better job of it. Just yet. But this is taught me more about myself and the need for and my ability to set up better parameters and make them clear and even. This isn't only other people this. This is my own unbridled enthusiasm mislead people. That's still happening. In pisses me off, I send full signals. I'm positive of that. I'm sure I don't mean to. And it's just. Just a crazy convoluted mess sometimes. And I'm trying to not hurt anymore people unless they got to come. And that sounded terrible. You know what I'm saying? If you've got an asshole life, it's fine. Let them know you're fucking asshole. But that's not what I'm getting at. It's it's. People are drawn to me because of my energy and how I say things my ability to empathize desire to sympathize. I care and I'm interested. That seems to be unique most people are berm leaner bubbles, and they keep things on the shallow level. It'll go deep. I can't do shallow. I am in a bubble. But I go deep with people, and I let them in my bubble. And if FOX some people up and brings things my way to fuck me up, and it is some hell of a dance. To not make those two things happen simultaneously. Because I still want to be effective. I want to be a good person. I want I want to not miss lead. People just want to help them. But it also want to be left to hell alone. It's Howard protect myself to in one way. So so. Put that in your pipe and smoke it to Jamaica of it. Go to outsiders journey dot com. And click on the green field. You can be signed up to my currently still free. Wellness course, the mess haven't figured out how to untangle. It's worth a ton of money. I wanna charge for what a giving it away for free for so long. For now. It's still free. I suggest you go grab it. Click on the green field. 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Brandon Scoop B Robinson returned on the "Causeway Street Podcast" | June (2020)

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Brandon Scoop B Robinson returned on the "Causeway Street Podcast" | June (2020)

"You are listening scope beat radio. Hope wherever you listen to from you and your loved ones a safe during cope in nineteen period. Hey, this is produce GOPI radio DJ menial. Timeout to give a big thanks footer listeners to PA. We did record numbers last month so on behalf of Scorpion, Myself Inc for four years of support in Brandon on his mediator mediator. If you have a few minutes via, please fill out a shortlist in a survey. GO SCOOP RADIO DOT COM slash poll. We'll share your opinions about the show, so we know what works and what we can do better than at school fee radio DOT COM slash poll S.. C. O. P., deliver, be are a do, dot com slash. He owned out. Don't worry if you cats. Any of that lake will be in the description. B. Radio with Brandon Robinson. Florida. He is a senior writer for heavy dot com host. The Scooby Radio PODCASTS. Here's a contributor on Fox. MSNBC AND ESPN, and he's making his second appearance here on the causeway. Street podcast is Brandon Scooby Robinson. What's going on scoop? mysterio! Slab back on the left. It's been an interesting three and a half months to say the least right. With everything that's been going on with the planning of all Major Sports Leagues, so we're going to talk about the NBA here and the fact that they're restart plan is is literally right around the corner, so I mean today. On a Friday, so the league's sent out a statement about the sixteen out of the three hundred players have tested positive for the coronavirus plus they have released their. You know twenty two team former plan once again just to reiterate everything including the play intern demand playoff seeding, and it seems like it's going to happen. So, what are you hearing in terms of like the Disneyworld bubble? Bubble and the season actually zooming despite the spike in covert nineteen cases in the state of Florida, I mean the governor earlier today already closed all bars and put in place. Other measures at the state nearly hit nine thousand new cases in one day, so should league reconsider heading Orlando next month or find new location. What are you hearing? What are the rumblings that you're hearing? Sold in the. farms. Reads the answer. He personally I think the numbers are high. Long Laura. Also When the NBA comes to tennis like the president comes to deadliest shutdown aggregates literally like that seen in coming to America. When Cage Joel comes out of these at the better rose. Byrd. Bennett. But Austin flight. Date Fund, every boost two dollars or two billion bound. To today to eighty dollars. You know if they don't this season and the other thing is you know they're trying to recruit the Taliban? Big about herself and your Seventy seventy games within the contract baby cooper less money on that they did not seek so that's why I think they've covered themselves with the preseason new play in situations. They're you know. Late Seventy S. You look for Marco siphoned so okay sarik get worse than their, you know. To get money that can go home, but I think. There's nothing in the collective bargaining backstage that you can't do all the crowded. In the Milwaukee Bucks who have won the most gays? Ceasing. I also just saved. You, you know this. It comes with much resistance in some number gardening Sas I think. With the. Of those. oversized is that there are. People who actually do one? Hit Person I can think of what the Hell is wrong, Jas, you know who he religion. There are guys who. Like no, you look at Kyrie. Irving for results, years market Now, remember the Brooklyn Nets. On that conference call over. Every Bradley Amendment stadiums a former. Celtic is wealth is. What I can tell you this my conversation. They are on Gordon. Eighty brawley allowed. he wants to go now, but they all layers up waste. That they don't look you know younger is. You know, but won't flavors. That was the Multiple measures offers called on at all about seventy nine eighty people in that call from the NBA, but I will tell you. Take on. Somebody would say that basketball like. You know. Rather be cove eighteen on its hugging your ankle a little bit. You Know I. Think it's more the shock of getting more than you know. Actually you know dealing you know so you? Obviously cases were individuals had died from. The NBA family who have had in. Dealing with it. Could be. Had his global podcast. You know she. She was months early on your talk about what was lied reacting in. A lot longer I think you know the NBA. Sick fashion plays in. Your they have the choices. They don't WanNa play. They don't show up next. Get paid I think that's their out. Yeah, I mean I think sixteen players in in less than a week testing positive for the coronavirus? That's a lot I. mean you see that number going going up as we as we are approaching closer to? The target data for these teams arrive in in Orlando. Look I think particularly because you don't know where everybody's confront on, you know you have cases like Nicole Yokich of Denver Nuggets who? Had and you know he was around. Yokich the Dennis Layer and they were all in a similar space in you guys'll. Of Seminal cases sprayed in pick, veins in Oklahoma City. Who for attendance and gave its value Reagan. Worry about the so close quarters guy some of the other. Thing, happened like Yokich pregnant. You know, but she just don't knows in the ninety five to create mass as a marketing ploy slick is that becomes the new leave like the? Guys. That's the new thing you know. Most people don't know this our matter, the guy in eight everyone. Actually warranted on his elbow. Many people fundamentally covering consensus on. Face. Nancy a new accessory in the NBA. It's like cancer state right. I. Think when you look at the the numbers potentially spiking. I will be surprised on Jessica close quarters. You're all in a tight bubble and were perceived to be about. I think it's interesting. This is know not trying to be political, but I find that interesting. You know early on in the president's painting The law. You know now the bubble wall bubbler. Our Earth are key earlier the coin. News on is not saddled with. That is a Martin. Is actually all over the. World. You'd think. Of light movies like miniature latching in things like their actual bubble, but I think you imposing MBA from all walks of life, different countries, different cities and they all have laid asteroid that you have the issue with the coaches you know. Gas like were over age of sixty five Popovich Alvin gentry in Antonio you mike this. Afternoon Golfing. When you when you look at all of those, those sky insisted calculator in one. Halloween who founded by. Radical with the waited corona virus and discuss. It reminded me so much of my childhood when when Nike Johnson. Came Up, HIV positive. They were players who didn't want to play against magic, because they thought that they will get it and you know. And they called it the big Amen Virus without having enough information to support that series. Exactly I think we're in a similar was different. Sixers was robots. We don't know where so very lot out and I. Think it's a in or of Acceding A. Whole `nother topic. that. Also is a lot to. A little bit tough. Yeah I mean if this turns out to go further south and turns of more players and more team staffer coaches that do turn up testing positive for the coronavirus. Do you think the NBA a plan B. and should they? Yeah to me. It seems that they're playing. Be Leaks exist for our teams? The son of the players lush conversations with players who are not exactly tired, but they have signed the paperwork for retirement that told me keeping their Open Vargas, interesting, actually way. And I think that you know this kind of certain players in new life. But I also did seek out. There are some red flags you look at the state of flower. You know the fact. They noticed spikes exponential. Look at for example like breakfast makes me A. Voice decimal the murder, just like having seen their answer, and it seemed people response protests all across the world, not just the US NOT JUST ON MINNESOTA NOT JETS Like literally throughout the while. People protesting every day. Boston over the process and so naturally members. Off! The net you know. In that position is the quantitative data to to to to support you know how? I guess the correlation between the people out there protesting and we affected those numbers in also places. Like Lancaster pilot the is it uses in example. Chicago where people have you had police and without masks on like it's. To massive not just isn't conveyance for many what you're protecting yourself in others Ramji in so I think there are so many different factors that go into this worry about people's health in the long term, not in this weather seasons new. Well I listened to both of your interviews when Kenji Perkins and Ryan Holland's to former South. Teammates who on the opposite side when it came to career and calling for a boycott of the NBC's Orlando. Did he have an argument or didn't have to take someone like Avery Bradley. Further explain what the current social unrest in the country, and when it comes to racial injustice is bigger than basketball. He added. Basketball! Got When you think about people's attention today, ask I think when you look at George Floyd. What happened to the korean-american in many people's attention? It wasn't like a situation where in half look people could look at video. Then said you know this guy was resisting the next I look at twitter. Cumbersome people will make a statement. That will joyce slightly Tommy jail. Although to. Validation in a reasoning for what a COP, because moment idell police officer looking computer sea level he had. Much to meet ballot. That way of thinking he meeting. Why are many injustices in today's society and to directly answer your question about the social justice and more? Look at the NBA is predominantly African American farm arms. There are a lot of people in the age that looked like. A, lot of people in the that are connect with the judge for in some way on. Jackson's also affecting, said connery's larger gifts. Okay. People need to be entertained if they're being intended. That takes the attention away from the topic at hand, which is so suggestive, which is. Police brutality issues of where you know the Tom Karen. Will you talk about the titular demographic of light? Women Call Police on black men in. The army based upon the level of comfortability. In that logic. From, Kyri from Avery Bradley this. Time to get people's attention to get what you want. At Not have friends who are. African, American, welcome Donald. Bite off. apologies or Text, messages consent from your the your calories. Million lawyers with the compensation to be now's the time to get into. The workplace. On your that level of remorse. When you move back in history, African American snow there many african-americans yourself as all you know when when the slaves were set free a promise for the ages. And they never received. Look at African Americans in this society. It Celebrates. Similar moment. Not Contaminated with just how? We're look at native Americans in. You know some daily. After the world of mulling or the US in particular meeting, wandering in Orlando you already in Cliffscape for? Eight the requests I think represents somebody with a little bit more level, headed and respected. Publicly and I think also suicide awareness I. Think People Take the World of slack comet and run with this. Song the joke that wants to went go viral everybody per season to season excellent. But it's been expressed to me. THE AVERY BRADLEY! Were were on one chord the from the beginning. You know and there's a feeling that there was a level of vice of Knicks for people to buy their point of view, Harry, urban, the navy both shelves similar cinema. Related Kendrick purpose, he added this. Is Only reidents. Harry, you put a barbecue with his running, yeah! Sounds that comet for me. It's salts on. Devices though he's in a position to stay. I think awkward angles. beaker sensitive African. Americans earning him. How do you expect other races to respect you when we ourselves bowmore second woman. And I feel like we are dirty laundry out. Residual atmosphere who people don't respect us or respect each other. Have you expect down South so I'm blogging? You can't just gave some clarity to that statement and in down. It's it's hoping to put the back burner Push. Not just a social media the actual version. What. Maybe Bradley had to say I. Think touched upon what you said earlier I think. He spoke very well, and explaining his proposal or or the players coalition proposals to the NBA, but you know I wanNA. Know what's your stance on social issues having a platform like the NBA? That I guess also the question, do you? Do both, or do you have to one or the other? My stance on at I was yes. I saved. There needs to be a level of on focused and pause on what's next. I think it's an issue about health. I've used the success. Often I think indicates carriers felt like a mini. You Know Colin Catholic moment in the sense of you know. It wasn't about the slab over that police brutality. is about social justice, or is it about? Yeah and I think the packers of SATIPO Lucy, said there's a bunch of shows where. About from people. That console and what happens, is you eighty people toll? Why only kind of urban whose worship tweeting about big? He said so I, think oftentimes when these conversations the. If I'm sitting on this on this time. You taking one snippet of something that I said. If. I said will find said Joe July jerk. Everything else I no I. Don't think on. Conversations will work. Looking for billable something that one quoted by throws is joke gets magnified versus the twenty third other things that maybe he or someone else say. I think you have to be very careful to particularly in today's wind farm usage where as those working towards something, it doesn't get misquoted risk. because. Also different argument about something based upon aggregated into Frank. L. BE INTERESTING GOING FORWARD BECAUSE EVERY Bradley. He did say he's not going, but it's because of family. Health reasons concerns with his all his oldest son who? Exact. His son has a hard time recovering from respiratory illnesses, but he also said that he is going to put the time into what he was initially talking about with Kyrie. Irving, so it'd be interesting to see how many other players who decided not to go for one reason or the other going in that direction, as well as as everybody's on this, which is up here a little bit. Assuming the season goes off without without any hiccups on July thirtieth or your favorites in each conference, and and you know any sleeper team that you think could win this twenty two thousand format. I've been. Pretty much in the, Was the main with the Lakers over the last couple of years. And a letter. Consult Coming Tommy. On the. You know in talking to diet members of account Laker sealed. I can tell you this are on. I think there's a business is a desire to really finish flipping started. A laker Seattle's in slates have literally gone some hiring coach postal sacks on bringing in your. Bryant Injury which was very undergraduate last season's Colori retire on. That took the Lakers apps grown roots. In adding other pieces. Of Second Southern, Cinese, being I. Like Howard Eighty rallying, they decide lot of different things. One they could take seventy whereas visits. Flakes underdog an avid ever seen in I think clippers they've also got multi rests on. The record courses with Somerville into the season. Many people believe that the championship over at least an appearance on the western side of the tax walk Angeles meaning. Obviously, the clippers love the Lakers. It seems that could still be the case at with a ton of rice asleep on. The Portland Trailblazers. Because that team they conference finals light season to get a more More receipt like. Our King sales for the Portland killing snow season for the Portland. Trailblazers, has engines. Start the season Miller her. You know you issues with use of Nurkic. Hurts on the season before. Comment hurt was not long came from orange needed. Everybody felt the Scuds and the solidified consultants in the morning. It's worth. As. Player a melting November belief. is at a healthy. Portland Chubb Davis trouble is the same I think they match up well against the Lakers on the Russ did them very well, but they also got to get into the looking Risley's on barely see very well it. You took some time to check out the Memphis Grizzlies Confederation being which was the main like it, not disease job who? Has, done. This thing gave. Gem Jackson has been in almost all on his other guys on their table played well, but you know. The biggest. Alexis happens to the Lakers. Clippers and run ragged. Probably the advice vice oops, it will be the blazers disaster well on any off the eastern conference. You look. Nokia box played well off season. that. The sixers are king as well as the Boston Celtics whole teams. That that can be threats with rats have been imprinted James like Walker courses. The season consistently consistently consistently comment. Back in December. One of the things he said to me was basically. Helping Kim a walker was in a great spot tougher. To play you together when he really got. Respect for his game can become in Spokane, Boston, getting the respect that you know I, think he always deserved New York player close to New York and Boston, but all he knew Charlotte other than playing a Yukon stores and etiquette. Kim, Walker has done the season. You're one. Combination he jalen rail as well as Jason Tatum has been rights outfit Hatchet. Obliged to see the Boston Celtics. beat surprise a lot of people when I think the reason why. You think about it just a couple of years. They weren't to talk to. You! Jason Tatum in year one. Until the Lebron, James Saint Louis Zone Jason Jason tend to go until the. You? See how Kimsey was against! Lorenzetti's iggy minded. Me Got Seen Baby Ward. To. where? So me and Over. No other. It was only. In the park. Guys off said. Me His. Heart. Work! Because go ahead and tell tells you. Heart Oh shit. Being got heart. Got Again. Go? Go in and tell us. Tracy'd right so. Tell them to me. They're. Also On. The base. Paying attention to Boston this season. You know I think that that was the king. Day Gallon on a against the Lakers. Jay. Route, they did. There was no. There was no cabin that game, and and it was Jaylen Brown and it was Jason Tatum, holding down the fort in Formosa. In regular. You really really saw. Gold told TOLD TOLD WITH EASTERN CONFERENCE Jabber. Nuts early in the season. We saw single here surf. Menace against the Nature Sola massive. yeah! Usually I think is are reasonable. Early. Reduce the conflict potential conference finals. mattocks now talk about Philadelphia. Phillies unseasonably humidity beginning season. Legitimately you've had. Jolo heat whistles, and we conversations. No injuries have been look a bird center engine. Knowing that you think win, they went. They beat the cookers in their regular about your back in February. We. MEMPHIS. Chicago largest. Shallow I think Philadelphia really discussing ruling. Obesity like you look at the trading deadline. They wanted looms. Right before will right right advocating off on talking with Robinson so just to his mentality. About his ability to kind of your day with the seventy sixers, and said you know my time. With the with the Golden State Warriors, even though we were losing. Sitting you know talk Glennon or just. Sitting talk with hurry in. This guy. Seconds of Racing Wachtel Clare's dead alleged, you know. ask them like. Hey, you you've. Chanting municipal specially like. Have you go slim. You go to your next. APPs from being slam dunk champion. The enquirer to find your next academic surly break for, but also still take missing pecan. You think Jamal Crawford with them very well. So, we'll see what happens. You know walking a team. You're done wrong regular season, but we've seen times before where the Celtics weren't were I see. During the comments ever. Ah Basketball, England came in and took care business. Because in the first seat of they can't be beaten. Team like Walson Philidelphia. Who may be underestimated ability? Make some Moose Nice Nice. Now that'd be remiss not to. Send you out here with this final question. WHO's your league, VP? Okay okay. I like that answer because I. Feel like I'm one of the few that that really believed that he is league MVP and I get it. You know onto the. Is having a great season and probably a better any last year, but all things considered with Lebron James everything that he's been through over the last year year, and a half, and to have the Lakers added at the top of the Western Conference, and at the age that he's still planning a very very high level, and I still believe he's the best. Best Player in the League right now and I think he he is a league MVP but it's going to boil down to I think with kind of similar to what happened last year. When it terms of record because I know, it's a regular season award, so I think it's GonNa go onto the Co, but I think it should go to Lebron James. Hoping I can pick the best listening. Listen. They gotta give the words. MVP Walk. Cheated out of the years ago when the? So then, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a tough Hillis. While I see I see. I. See where you're coming from now until. He is Brandon Scoop. Be Robinson. Make sure to subscribe to his. Scooby Radio podcasts on any of your favorite podcasts platforms. You can also follow him on twitter at Scoop. Be as he continues to do his thing scoop. Hey, man, thanks for stopping by and I hope we talk again real soon, man! Brother thank you for the opportunity to be myself. You already know my brother. Keep doing your thing and be safe out there, right? I'll talk to you. 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