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Men in Blazers 04/24/20: Chat Sh!t, Get Answered

Men In Blazers

23:57 min | 1 year ago

Men in Blazers 04/24/20: Chat Sh!t, Get Answered

"This is Rebecca Lowe. Will Rebecca if you listen to sub optimal radio and you on this thing to men in. Blazers on the NBC. Sports Network. Hints Roge-. Oh and it's Friday. We made it through another long hard week together. And I'm back to Coppola daily dollops of hope and joy suicide football sprinkles and a want begin with wrote about in the newsletter today partially because well. Akon stop singing and partially because it's just lifted my spirits no end. It's a story from Scotland a video Mamane Michael Cohen semi yesterday from two thousand sixteen. It's Bernie and fans full-throatedly singing sunshine onnly. After their team's victory in the Scottish Cup final the song is really all our hearts and souls yearn for right now and the backstory. It's this hips. They just won the trophy for the first time in one hundred and fourteen years passed a no t second minute winner had seen him. Talk Rangers. Snap a string of ten straight heartbreaking final losses the fans well the Scottish so they reacted this Scottish fans. A program to do. They invaded the pitch. They battled police. They battled police horses for rather than scatter after about twenty minutes. The hips funds return to their seats. They wanted to save the moment. They wanted to revel in it and reveling and they did. They broke out into a seven minute. Long rendition of the proclaim. A song turn habes terrace anthem sunshine on the lead to proclaim his both lifelong hips friends. They wrote the chewed and Co on at Easter rate attributed restorative powers only home can provide Jeff O. P. Irvine Welsh once wrote about the Chantey said from the green half of Edinburgh belted. This out of football games and weddings and cried as it plays at funerals in the lyrics are beautiful. Oh so here. The friends that Bella Wing these lyrics out in the sun. Pskov raised side-by-side parents. Chiltern FRIENDS FRIENDS. Hamden Park knowing. They've just watched that team win. Win Made Memories together though lost a lifetime. It's all so beautiful compassionate filled with love. That Women May Michael. Send this to me yesterday and I watched I will admit at the end. I found myself soaping because yeah it's beautiful but looking at it almost feels like it's from another planet safer today is this. We will get back to this feeling again. This world again that spirit of togetherness. I'm wonder and dreams come true that sport that life can bring we will. We will for now much this video. Just drink it in in the same way we're drinking questions and stings on. Wgn For the bald. The show where you ask the big questions and the answer is a slightly less impressive. Sting me up Daddy. Four seven six four. I Chat Kars for kids. I miss football so badly. I almost missed that commercial. I said almost people thank you to Tom. Beano who sent this magic in from Bogota Colombia. Be well be well Tom Beano Baby. You know the number six four six four five zero nine. Four seventy Jordan loves answering the phone bank this weekend so don't be a stranger first question per lease. Rosh stay home. This is Matt from Princeton New Jersey. Hope you're all doing well Reluctant Everton fenced-in Kale also big realme. Fan from time study. Can Italy way back when my question for you is one that I don't see any press about lately but I know no better expert than Raj in particular. But what will the pre-game tunnels be like in a post? Cogan world will we see teams staggered in the tunnels Have you done any analysis? And how many teams have socially distant compliant tunnel sets we'll stadiums require new tunnels What Will Joe Hart do if he can't touch his DNA tests especial at least helpless predict the future? I'm very worried about how this situation play out. Once we're back to football thank you. Oh my from Princeton. That town that gave birth to the greatest manager in history with two BS initials Bradley. I know I'm worried about tunnel. Because tunnels why we watch social distancing. It is going to change football as we know it I mean just imagine your social distancing. Will he be able to coach? We've are being able to hug his players and not just Nigel. Passer News that. He's instantly deprived of seventy four percents of his managerial argument when opponents no he's no longer gonNA wrestle into the ground. Does they charge past. The game without fans is just inherently going to be different very different. We read this morning. The Bundesliga prepping for a May return. Please come back in. May Bundesliga behind closed doors. How Germans always have a word for it. They've already gone guys dish. Beer ghost games no fans but the planning has been meticulous. Really when I read about it gave you a sense of what it's GonNa take to bring sports back into our lives. Strict controls the Germans. They love the numbers. Just three hundred and twenty two people but be present in the stadium. Ninety eight in the interior players coaches medical staff. One hundred fifteen in the stands mostly media and one hundred nine more not one more not one less within the stadium security. Tv production stuff camera. People play as it's related to wear masks masks as you call them in America will be changed during breaks in the game. It's going to be no funds to impact the play. We had brand McCarthy the wonderful Brandon McCarthy on the pod this Wednesday and he talked about how he believes when baseball returns which it's rumored to in biospheres in Arizona. The Major League Baseball pitchers on the mound will lose miles per hour of their force ball because the adrenaline the pressure caused by fans that rhythm of Fan engagement in the stadium why she knock off performance by a percentage. Be the same for football. But I believe I don't believe in much in lifer one thing I believe. In his footballers ability to make things cool. I mean Jesse lingard aboard a social media vacuum. That's lower of nate. Je minded does returns remarkably to that last Italian game before the pandemic shut down the league at the beginning of March. It feels like it was years ago. Sassou low score in the forty. Fifth Minute Francesco. Caputo the goal score in a totally empty stadium. No reaction though fan noise no anything but he ran towards a television camera in a totally empty stadium and held up a sewing hanwritten. Screw on it to the camera. That simply said and Iraq to-to Ben Stat. Kasa everything will be okay. Stare who everything will be okay and it was beautiful as it will be. When football comes back it will be the next question please. Hi Raj. This is actually from New York City. Everton didn't then the stroke the release the new album. The last song is titled Ode to The next. But Drummer recently described song. As something that you set your heart to and you love unconditionally but continues to disappoint you. The closes with these lyrics. Don Now are the old time. Forgotten time to hold on the railing. The Rubik's cube isn't solving for US old friends long forgotten. The old way is at the bottom of the ocean now has followed. The only thing that's left is us so part in the silence that you're hearing is turning into a deafening painful shameful roar. Please listen let me know. Is this actually about Everton. Courage surely from New York City won't do me live with. The strokes can say having spent the morning speaking to dominate Calvin Lewin. We taped a stunning into May and DC L. The bold and the beautiful. I can can just I just know? This song is not cannot be about Everton football club. Because I'm completely convinced and no one can made me think any different. We're GONNA win the league next season Bay but unfortunately unfortunately it's probably more about the English primly and the prospect of injury term right now that the strokes are singing about. Because I know you for doing all they can to coax the league's back into action. It's been a dow we from a primarily perspective. And do start affair or longer we sit in this uncertainty the less likely football or the seasons for will be a returning a heart or mind everything we want football to recommence and broadcasters one billion dollars making a commercial imperative but there is and not to get to. Dr G on your assets does a ton of medical realities which just going to complicate. Football's aspirational efforts to return. Inevitably medically clubs know they can only resume once as a sufficient capacity for covert testing and that has to be worked out against the backdrop of the nation. How things are going in Germany? It's going unbelievably well. I think the Bundesliga said they'd only need no point north. Four percent of the nation's test finish the season twenty two thousand tests. They need but in Britain even frontline medical workers currently not getting the testing. They need bad optics for football to discharge in and get their second. It's not even clear. The players will agree to be always elated from their families for a two month period of this time atomic threat. You look at Spain where they're also trying to get the players to come back to training and a number of players have said we do not war risk we do not be exposed to the virus. We don't WANNA leave off families by being forced back into play too early says a maze of complexities room to the legal. Complexities that June. Thirtieth contractual armageddon date when players contracts when a ton of sponsorship bales. Finish almost day the night they can be wished away as a ton of reason. Squads built for one purpose to play a game of most to a week and the notion of playing four games. We it's trying to get a middle distance runner and say hey just stopped. Becoming one hundred meters spent the the squad to have all the compositions. They're just going to be at a distinct disadvantage. So it's all hot mess. City the next Premier League meeting is scheduled for Friday. May the first. Let's hope and believe me. No one wants football back more than this guy next question docked up here is this is Neil from cary North Carolina home of the courage. Also Big Man United Fan Questions for you if you could be a football manager. Would you rather be the manager of a club where you could interact with the players every day? And it's still your philosophy but you'd also have to deal with agents. I Dunno guys like Ed Woodward or would rather be a national team manager where you don't interact with the players that often but every other summer you do get to be the center of the country's attention and you do get where those pretty mattie waistcoats so just curious about that and Courage just keep living. Alright alright. Alright they'll let me say up top. I love waistcoat as much as an x man but the international game has fallen from grace so radically over the past twelve years. It used to be the apex. Y- World Cup coach needs to be the prestige job club soccer in general and the champions the powerhouse teams in particular. They've trump said he only guys you want be an international manager now which means you are willing to work with players for a couple of days at most around international breaks really not to be able to do a hell of a lot with them. They're being on this. Play a lot of goals a guy who are pasta. We'll never really had that having said that won't make it clear and I'll tell you because no one else is listening up. B ability terrible club manager would mean when you list. What Club Manages Day? I realize few jobs are so much of a single individual and the conditions of hysterical stress right now other than every emergency work job in the world. The sports I mean you've got to be a tactical genius psychologist sport. Scientists negotiated data analyst must the motivator charismatic PR figurehead. I think I'm possibly one of those probably from honest not really carry the hopes of your entire fan base on your shoulders while the temporary press. Mind the recesses of your private life dirt you don't have been. Elite player. Always loved the quote of Saturate the Italian who was once a shoe salesman and then guided Italy to the World Cup finals in one thousand nine hundred four his quote. You don't have to have been a horse to be a jockey but it's not for me manage during a football team. It's not. It's not especially in the future. The specialty that's going to go into management the crazy amount of tasks that an English primarily coaches meant to oversee is bonkers and I think the future is managing a staff of managers team managerial stars splinter into niches like NFL. Coaching units over the next decade. Which is even more not me but the kind of manager. I'd like to be racist and one that big Phil Sklar who led Brazil to work up. Victory in two thousand two always used to complain that every soccer fan believes they know. Better van the manager. He said there are hundreds eighteen million people in Brazil and all of the mcco churches that that's the kind of coach. Long debate. Be The one who knows. Best AND SHOWER SAYS TELEVISION. Screen impotently and angrily. You Know Charlie method style. Yep that's me change. Oh let's have a stink Paducah Jona holy crap. I love this thing. I do Zion. My daughter loves this thing. It's the musical rendition for those. That don't recognize her message. She left my brother night. After what for beat Liverpool circuit knowledge suck at this masterpiece of a sting was sent to us by Kirk Beach. Who says it was composed by his daughter's fourteen year old Eden Sixteen Year Old Tate? La Weeden tape composed at dance request. He says I'm proud so tough. I composition maybe a lead to bigger and better things. He says I was so proud of keeping them off screens and now maybe encourage him to be on screen all the time. Strange Times beach family courage to the question. Hey Raj the goat ocsar Kentucky Manchester United Supporter. So the person in question is what's the first thing you're going to learn on your Ngo a positive keep on the sunny side or a Dr Kevi murder ballads like banks of the Ohio. You have to know courage going to let you into a secret and you probably know this gives you live in Kentucky. Oh my God. Banjos hard math finger. Work you out to different things. At the same time Emma body was built to do one thing at a time and that one thing was mostly to bald so when a pickup my banjo fill a bit light Bruno Fernandez when he arrived in Manchester. Not Holy Crap. This is going to be harder than I ever imagined but finot cares more than anything. I won't be able to play the American national anthem before game. She's what turn up at the Washington. Spirit Paloma Bongo. Twang out thing say can use. That would be amazing. That's what's driving this and it's happening. Hey Roger Dave. This is Sam from Saint Paul Minnesota go loons and go them looking forward to a time when we can raise a Biden enjoy juicy lucy one more time. My wife recently gave birth to her first child. A boy and we could not be happier after his birth. The nurse had our son do is footprint and remarked. Wow that is a strong left foot for better or worse my spurs decide came out and I need it Lee thought yes the second coming of Gareth Nail. My question for you is one. Is this okay that I did that. And to if your children football players who would they be? And why is there in Bob? Latchford junior in the household a young Wayne Rooney hopefully not fill Jones. Thanks for the time guys courage first of all SAM from beautiful Saint Paul Minnesota. Oh congratulations one. Amazing Tapa Kit ally in the darkness. I kid now a time when I mean when you first get your life becomes homebound anyway. Perfect timing so save every second main memories together three of you that you will save your kid. You can ever tell him that. The state of the world when he came into it and and arrival date for Japan and your hearts and your souls beautiful beautiful beautiful now on the football tip. I'm GonNa let you into a secret. Everybody everybody thinks that kid is going to be the next Leo Messi Gareth Bale or even better Gio Caesar that everyone. I think it's totally natural. Look I've got four kids. They will play football quite seriously at times. And with the first Samson he played on some wicky clip teams. And I'll tell you two things under seven underrate get do dream as a parent every father a mother. He's watched their kids destroy. Chemists had the same thought wow. I've caught swimming special air but the longer the kid plays second thing is the quicker you learn. You always learn the however good. They are more often than not for ninety nine point nine percent of them. This always another level and this most often the point whether or not going to reach that level and this is not dissuade any of you especially young listeners. Say Go for it go for it but success and learn this again listening to DC L. Today. It's an incredible grind and incorporate a turn of sacrifice and find over here in the United States where football is more of a formal activity a coached activity this too much pressure and not enough funding for bowl. There's much less free plate in the United States and the reasoning kids will naturally play for fun on their own with Jumpers for goalposts in the part loud be sweatshirt. Stroke Down Goals. I grew up playing massive pickup games in the park under the kids till it was too dark to see the ball. Wayne Rooney always told the story when he scored that one the goal for Everton to defeat ourselves sixteen. How did he celebrate? You went back home to KROC Steph. And played in. The street played football in the street with his mates. Just joy just joy so wish that for yourself and for all young listeners for Bush should be a joy may you find that joy and savor it and less pressure from us from US parents. More time enjoying that ball. The feel of it at your feet taped a video message for club outside the Madison Wisconsin this week and I wish that the sadness they fail lack of club football which you know see friends training being together that feeling of development of mastery of competency is an absence S. channel lack into something positive. Play in your backyard. Spend time with that bore glued to your dribbling shooting playing with your sister. Your brother your parents just savor the true love of the game feel it. There's no fine a feeling it's not jewelry to me more than anything that's ultimately going to bring this country World Cup triumph. That from men in Blazers this we. We've got a teacher's happy hour zoom this afternoon. Which is me talking? Football drinking buds agonized as we have a couple of hundred heroes and role models from across the nation. But I will leave you as I began with sunshine on the Lee. We all need disparate. It all lies right now. Spirit of heart of tenacity of collective belief might tasers drying might as a drying. Thank you thank you. Thank you thank you. My tears are drying my tasers. Drying your beauty and kindness maters. Klay my blindness. While I'm worth my room on this earth I will be with the. I'm courage ING.

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Episode 5-11. A missing mother, murder, pizza, and Sheriff Ponder.

Five four two and the Blue

25:01 min | 2 months ago

Episode 5-11. A missing mother, murder, pizza, and Sheriff Ponder.

"Hello you're listening to the felon file formerly known as the five four two and the blue podcast felon file. Dot com is a podcast expiration and discussion of law enforcement history issues and incidents in the appalachian mountains and elsewhere felon file is hosted by scott. Lunceford retired police. Detective sergeant author and researcher. Today's discussion a missing mother murder. Pizza and sheriff ponder. The shade of blue story takes us from nineteen seventy five south vietnam grown on a refugee camp in pennsylvania to south carolina ashville north carolina then to the main street marshall north carolina in a small mountain county in western north carolina. The supreme court to a final ending in columbia south carolina prison death chamber of justice secured for all involved. Listen and decide background music by purple planet. Scott you're online. Welcome back to felon file. As victoria said we already podcast exploration discussion of law enforcement history criminal activity court cases and other incidents that occurred in the appalachian mountains and beyond their. You may notice. We sound a little bit. Different victoria found say different recording studio with more powerful recording equipment. And i hope hope it sounds well. But we're still evolving still learning and bear with us in the meantime hoping that you find some interesting stories here today shaded blue. We're talking about a missing mother. Murder pizza tacos robberies and sheriff ponder are shade of blue story for this week. We start out in the south south vietnam to be exact in nineteen seventy five. This was during the north east takeover when a lot of families and individuals were fleeing the advancement of the north vietnamese army of family of three with assistance from the united states was able to escape from vietnam by running through fields and rice paddies at night hiding keeping an eye open for land mines and ambushes which were a constant concern and fear the family three husband wife and child. We're able to make to the coast and were taken by boat to guam the us government after they were process flew the husband wife and three old child to a refugee camp in pennsylvania. Family who live near pennsylvania helped them out and helped him to adjust the united states after their escape now. Unable to find consistent work the family went south again. This time to south carolina in the southern united states where the small leaf family thrived and grew our going fast forward bit to ten years to nineteen eighty five. The family has been living united states for the past ten years. The family has grown to three children. The thirty four year old mother. She t gwen lee but ghana new job working at eastern distributing in greenville working. An evening shift after working several weeks there in joining the work. According to her family on the evening of august twenty ninth of nineteen eighty a security officer at the plant reported seeing miss lee getting into her car wight nineteen seventy eight four granada and leaving the company parking lot at the end of her shift also in that area unfortunately two men career criminals howard and weldon were driving around the area looking for a car to steal the had formulated a plan to steal the automobile of a lone female driver. They spotted mrs lee driving home from work on a secluded road. The two men bumped the nineteen seventy eight four granada from the rear and acted like it was an accident on the scott. Mislead pull over to the side of the road once stopped and she exited from the car. The men produced a handgun in kidnap. Mislead kidnapping was not the men's objective. Though they were professional roberson thieves. The two men in the vehicle were ronnie howard and dana weldon. Ronnie howard was already on parole for a bank robbery. He had murdered another woman as well but that investigation had not caught up with him and it was still listed as unsolved howard. Had been involved in over seventy two armed robberies mostly of pizza hut's taco bell restaurants fast food type establishments. Many of those committed along with dana. Weldon allen lee exited or car to inspect the damage. Howard forced her back into the automobile. A gum point. He then drove away and leads vehicle in weld and followed in the other car. Howard stopped in an isolated area on the side of the desolate road at night and howard placed a plastic bag of some sort over the terrified mother of three said to be quiet. Then the two men beat lee and eventually murdered her. By suffocation taking the body they again drove around until they found another isolated area. This was beside south carolina. Highway eleven near pleasant ridge state park there. The two men stripped the clothing from the victim and using cans of soda. They found in lease car in a rain-filled puddle. They washed the body as much as possible to remove what they thought were any fingerprints or other evidence that they might have left behind. The body was said underneath a large pats of kudzu. And those of you who are not familiar with kudzu. Kudzu is a non native plant to the united states found in the south. It's a very fast growing plan. Kudzu is also known by the name of foot a night vine. It's possible if you've got the time and you stare at it enough you can see this plant grow now left alone for several days. The plant cover up completely whatever's underneath it on this ended up being the body of mislead they later disposed of the victim's clothing and personal effects and various garbage dumpsters around charlotte north carolina. The body remained hidden by the overgrowth. The league family notified law enforcement in a missing person investigation started. She did not come home. The vehicle that miss lee was operating was enter to the national crime information center database or the mci see database this allowed other agencies to be aware if they came across the vehicle and police. Bulletins also went out to advise other law enforcement agencies in the area that the greenville county sheriff's department was looking for this particular vehicle several weeks after mislead disappeared. A decomposed body was found by utility workers. This happened on september. nineteenth of eighty-five. The body was extremely decomposed. Was almost skeleton is now. I had the opportunity to attend a lecture by anthropologist william bass a man who's credited with starting the original body farm at the university of tennessee be have an opportunity get his books read them. They're fantastic now in his lecture. He was asked a question and he said that it is possible under the right conditions weather insects while animals that a cadaver could be reduced. Only a skeleton in two or three weeks decomposition of a body begins of approximately four minutes. After a person dies two weeks after the body was discovered it was identified as the missing mother. Mrs lee greenville corner. Stan mckinney stated. At the time we can find no immediate obvious cause of death. The body was decomposed to the point. Were only skeletal. Remains were left because of the lack of evidence near the body. The missing car was thought to be critical to the investigation and it was later found abandoned in the parking lot of an apartment complex in columbia south carolina three months later howard and weldon. We're actually in north carolina actual north carolina my stomping grounds. Unfortunately they were continuing their chosen profession of robbery and stealing this particular incident. I remember happening. I was about a year away from joining the asheville. Police department are to career criminals. Howard and weldon entered the pizza. Hut in west asheville on september. Eleventh on location was personally had spent quite a lot of time in quite a bit of money and overtime are evolving was presented in the to demanded money. It took about six hundred dollars from the cash register in the restaurant and five dollars from an employee. Who is there gives them. Two counts of armed robbery. They left in a dark blue ford with the tag covered up. Actual police did respond. And after talking to victims and witnesses description of the men in the vehicle was put out to surrounding police. Sheriff departments now. North of the robbery is my home county madison county. Sheriff deputy frank ogle was on patrol and heard the description and the other information on the radio. He was doing routine patrol along highway sixty three in madison county when he came up and noticed car fitting the forge description on highway. Sixty three deputy ogle followed the car down sixty three towards the county seat of marshall whereas it crossed the river and past the madison county jail in marshall. This is where sheriff you. I ponder was waiting. The car turned onto main street. Only to have. Sheriff ponder cut the car off and block it in in of madison county. Courthouse deputy ogle was following the suspect. She blocked the vehicle in front behind keeping it from reversing and getting out of the area in front of the courthouse like that was really not a good place for the career criminals to find themselves every law enforcement officer who had case in court in that county was advocate house not to mention the court and they all came out of the hundred year old courthouse building to assist. The two men were taken into custody and the vehicle was confiscated in searched confiscated from the car was a soft shotgun. A thirty thirty rifle the three fifty seven magnum handgun various ammunition for the weapons knives handcuffs flak jackets and a blue light and scanner used to monitor police transmissions. Apparently they were not monitoring the madison county sheriff's departments frequency at that time. Sheriff ponder was quoted. The media's saying they were ready for business. The two men in the getaway car were turned over to the asheville police department where they were charged with the robbery of the pizza hut in the employees in place. The bunkum county jail under a ten thousand dollars secure bond. Once in the custody dash police department both been were advised of the miranda rights and ronnie howard invoke his fifth amendment rights to remain silent after this howard was appointed turning now remember howard was on federal probation for previous bank robbery after invoking his miranda rights howard asked for the astro police detective detective lee warrant to contact is federal probation officer. And mr haywood poke poke in upcoming dash to meet with his parolee. Apparently howard in probation officer had developed somewhat of a bond of trust during their meetings in their interviews and during this particular meeting with his probation officer. Howard orally confessed to his involvement in the numerous armed robberies that have taken place over several states and in two murders. This included the murder of mrs lee at this meeting. Howard howard signed an addition to a waiver form specifically acknowledging his desire to speak with the fbi without the benefits of counsel howard wanted to speak to the fbi about his crimes and his activities in the hopes of negotiating a plea lesson as punishment as a result an f. b. i. agent assigned western north carolina met with howard that very day after signing a waiver of a right form again. He orally confessed once more to the robberies as well as the two murders the f. b. i. immediately notified the greenwood. County sheriff's department of the connection to the green will murder of mislead greenville county detectives contacted howard in at howard request that at the bunkum county jail in after orly waiving his rights howard declined to sign a rights waiver foreign under miranda versus arizona again orally. He confessed to mislead murder as well as several robberies. Howard and weldon were tried in bunkum. County north carolina criminal court. They were convicted and received fourteen months for the pizza hut robbery after which they were turned over to south carolina for investigation of the murder charges. Other crime said committed and a court trial howard and weldon were tried jointly for lease murder. The state introduced howard's confessions into evidence through the testimony of the f. b. i. agent and the greenville south carolina -tective both of whom had taken meticulous handwritten notes of their conversations. They had with howard at the bunkum. County jail in compliance with burton versus the united states south carolina trial court had ordered the fbi agent and south carolina. Detective not to speak on the parts of howard's confessions that implemented his co-defendant weldon during direct or cross examination. Now on june fifth nineteen eighty six the year after the homicide a jury found both defendants guilty of murder kidnapping armed robbery and conspiracy howard and weldon were each sentenced to death for the murder. Plus twenty five years for the armed robberies and five years for the conspiracy howard was convicted and received a life sentence for the other murder. He was involved in that he confessed to now. Ronnie howard appealed of course. He argued that his jury was influenced by race. As there were few african americans on the jury matter of fact there was only one african american on his jury at the trial. Prosecutors said dismissed six or seven african american potential jurors and four of thirty five whites at the trial when it jurors were selected as well. Prosecutors dismissed only african americans though he lost the appeal to the state of south carolina. The state did take notice of what had occurred though. It didn't do much good for weldon. And howard one year. After howard's i appeal was turned down by the state supreme court in nineteen eighty nine. The court adopted a rule requiring the comparison of the ratio of dismissed black jurors to accepted whites as part of the appeal process on this direct peel to the south carolina. Surpreme court they upheld though howard's conviction and his death sentence ronnie howard after exhausting. His state appeals petition. The federal district court for habeas corpus relief. The court documents for this appeal can be found under ronnie howard practitioner versus michael w more director of south carolina department of corrections. It's interesting reading. Howard also challenges his death sentences on the ground once that the trial court erroneously excluded mitigating evidence contained in the confessions at howard had made he also felt that the confessions made to the fbi in the south carolina. Detective were fruits. The poison tree in other words not admissible because probation officer had not advised him of his rights being a law enforcement officer anything incriminating he felt could not be used against him because violation of miranda in review when they ashfield detective advised him of his rights originally he took the fifth and but he did ask for the detective to contact his probation officer. He actually put this in writing when he signed the notice that he was not going to waive his rights. The court indicated that howard had initiated the contact with the probation officer thereby it was legal on june twenty third nineteen ninety-seven the supreme court issued. Its opinion this is twelve years after the death of the mother of three children. Chen t wanly fourteen years later after committing this homicide on january eighth nineteen ninety nine. Ronnie howard who is now forty years old was executed in columbia. south carolina by lethal injection. Howard became the first condemned prisoner to be put to death in south carolina that year and he was the twenty first overall convicted condemned prisoner since the state resumed executions. Back in one thousand nine hundred eighty five deadly the time of the murder. His final words before he was put to death in received the lethal injection was. I'm on my way co-defendant dana ricarda weldon. Who was thirty nine at. This point remained on death row until the next year when he too was executed. This was the end of the career of two professional robbers pizza hut taco bells and fast food establishments their activities covered four states and they were involved in the murder of two individuals. You can tell that throughout the shade of blue story. The three sisters in the back of the room dealt extensively with the defendants. They were lucky. And that howard was not connected to the first murder until he confessed. They were unlucky in that they took a back road that just happened to be being traveled by and he deputy sheriff from another county also unlucky in their location that they drove through which happened to be pretty well. Populated by law enforcement the time due to court cases going on at the madison county. Courthouse injustice was justice served. And then there's justice justice won't bring back the mother of three children and the wife of a grieving husband's wife. Was there anything good that came from all of this. You can look at it several ways one of the good issues. That did come out of this. Probably came from howard's. I appeal when it was turned down by the state. Supreme court win the state of south. Carolina changed their rules in trials in an appeal. Trials requiring the comparison of the ratio of african american jurors to those of accepted wagers and this became a new standard and this was actually taken out by other states and jurisdictions as well later on that's our shade of blue story for today hope. He founded of interest. Come back next saturday. Seven o'clock in victorian. I will have another shade of blue story for your review. If you just finding us and you would like to check back on previous podcasts. Check out my website for links to those and don't forget this coming week be safe beat secure and do something nice for somebody is really the right thing to do and we need to have more people doing good things right now with all this going on in the world if you have ideas for more shades of blue stories you would like victorian either research and put out in felon file podcast. Drop me a line tutorial. Give you more information about that. 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Barcelona Falls Again

ESPN FC

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Barcelona Falls Again

"Palo. They cut with the big east doesn't get handed out till next week. But we had a couple of domestic Cup finals. Gonna say people would big years, next to me what I wasn't saying two hundred Marino. And check his love ahead got county is with us two Cup finals a Jimmy and Spain to get to. Let's start in Spade. Really? The big story with boss Lona taking on village in the COPA. Ray final contested in Seville, boss, Lana, of course, heavy favorites coming in looking to complete the double, but omens early on this wasn't going to be they night, the era from Langley and Rodrigue shock cleared off the line. Volley why from may? He's trying to clear it somehow if I was good at yet. Declare it to the middle row then goes wide open on Philipson decides to go on the dribble. Doesn't make the clear of contact with his left foot became comes across. Hold on defensively beget, but signs early on Valencia they had more than a chance. Yeah. No signs, materialize into something meaningful. Didn't they Kevin Gamero after twenty one minutes, wonderful finished by Gamero boss oil at sees amid the position, Camaro pixie boiled up top with the buffs. I said it's one and then FIS by could do nothing. And the fat was good for the underdogs. This was simply fantastic to nil. Get us eve, Rodrigo speed on the right hand side. Go to the cannot keep up good service coming into option on defendant, in the middle and legal for my kind of range, tune up to then the question was could instill. Valverde's men, come back. Little messy tried to bring the backs. Don't we a lot about is between Messier dominate who sees it all the way in the end. It's very strong. Lapan. Two nil down at the break into the second half and more for Messi this time the post intervening this was a beautiful play by the United Nancy and Malcolm, a little hold the play modicum talked silent messes fantastic. And then a little slap with outside of the left foot makes Queen contact gets past the goalkeeper, but of the post and out on fourteen for Barcelona. Into the final twenty minutes still down to a lifeline. Finally Vass load a messy during the mopping up top in for messy of the setpiece. Questions offside? He wasn't. He was comfortably on dominance gooney plummeted his teeth deep into stump each time one last jots for Bacelona break clearance for Gabrielle wasn't h and that proved to be that the final whistle sanding defeats her messy and Bacelona unbridled joy for the Lynch yet, Las J winning the first civil way in Spain since two thousand eight the eight th time they've won the Kodaira title boscell on that. We'll have to wait for number thirty one alley. We, we have to stop with the with the vanquish, don't we not many people sold this coming Sunday, the bookmakers spousal into a heavy favorites. Did they deserve to lose this? They did any based upon the first half and the lack of intensity with which this thing play not only intensity running with the ball running with. The ball is just the movement over all of the team was so very slow and so very predictable. And so in, in Macy's star sort of as a false and well he's not getting the ball there. He started dropping back into positions where he can get touches on the both because it see, they're messy creating something or messy shooting the ball or Mesa taking chance, or it's not happening for restaurant. Certainly that was the case today. I see has been for most of the season to be quite honest with you. Defensively Varsha whenever they lost the ball, eight felt like it was going to score every time and had Valenza been more effective more efficient in their ability to counterattack this game would not have been as close as it was in the second half Barcelona. I play with a different density, a different level of energy, perhaps desperation that may they game closer by lens. I got a little scare got a little nervous. They took a step back that allowed Barcelona to again regain possession of the ball in advance series and create from there. But overall I find an inverse alone. Again, it looked a lot today. The first half like what we saw against liberal very similar in terms of the. Of energy and their inability to do something meaningful with the ball. Once they had it in the final, it was an upset it was a show checkup. But does it matter in the big picture of slow they lost this final Noah boss kinda hung the has the reputation what happens in league Champions League? So this again, maybe icing on the cake, which. This you could take to leave it. But the bigger point to, to this performance as it would if you watch nineteen minutes of this game is that Basu without leeann messy a very average team. I mean considerably average all the back and fairness it to Valencia. They got numbers behind the ball, then you wear the threat was. And then you exactly how freely Boston would on the contract and they fully deserved the win. Tonight, cloudy is also with a scap. What was your assessment of Vinson's avail? Did you see this coming? Yeah. I mean, especially once once you saw the setup and you know what two years two years of an east of vetted, and you know what you can put a look. He won the double last year. He won the league again this season but he keeps getting out coach thought in big games. And appreciate he has incomplete squad, which means that, if Louis WADA's out, then there's no center forward off the bench was then by one forum or whatever, but still you knew what was coming. I really thought Mancino actually completely blitz them in those first forty five minutes, I thought they could have even even scored more. So in the second half Barscelona came to life a little bit. But I think a little bit was also was also trying to hit on the break, maybe maybe getting a little bit uncomfortable perhaps, but, but even at two one. At the end Barcelona's still had to really good chances on the counter which he didn't take. And I think this is a case just doesn't happen against Liverpool happen against here. He runs into a guy who out coaches him out thinks tactically on the night. And I think this is the stuff that you give you caused a concern. Yeah it's inevitable isn't it? The questions will be pointed towards nest of outcoached in the games that matter is that fair think it is fair, if you consider that the games that matter are specifically champion, so he glass year specifically champion this year and then you refer this as an example, as well. I'm being saying that I would move on from where before this game, and regardless of what the score would have been hearing, there would have been here. I my opinion is very simple. There's been to Oprah -tunities for Radha, the to truly change the way, the team placing moments in which the team needs an adjustment. And he has failed to do so, and that's. The responsibility of a coach. So when he happens two years ago in a row when you have this sort of collapses that he's had. And they've had a group against Roma and against Liverpool Indiana reflect very poorly in the players, but it also reflects incredibly poorly on the coach in a messy comes out and says that he thinks very busy, right? Cool shit for for the foreseeable future. If you're sitting in Boston, a boardroom you have to take that you have to do that. What else is he going to say, check new, I agree. But at the same time give the person has been on the over the last week. And you your stop there comes out on defense as, as he does I expected more from this boss. I really did. And I understand gobs point that, yes, you can see this coming. But then the same time Lena messy picture boil up in midfield, and runs the length Phelan scores. How many times have we seen that as well, it fees as when you watch sooner that's what that's what you? That's what you hanging on you hanging on magic from Leland messy and you go to ask you've got to ask for more from your coach than just to see you've got the best player and the will let him do it. What's very giving you otherwise gap. Well, it's funny, I was listening to what you're saying Chaka, and I agree with your with your conclusion at the end. I seem to be like you were going different direction when you were talking about, you know, messy coming out and backing, visit mess. He's going to do that. Because, you know, if you sort of hums and Hawes and says, well, let's see what happens at the end of the season or whatever, then people are gonna cues them of not, not backing his manager. The reality, I think, is, if you're Barcelona, you can't let messy pick the manager because we saw what happened when in the Tino Bockel a couple years ago, you need to find somebody with the right personality that can relate to messy that can manage messy and say, listen, you're going to carry carry us when we need you, but we're going to have a framework around, you, they, you don't have to do what Ellie described earlier where he needs to shoot on goal. But then you also needs to be back in midfield to create because nobody else will do that. You need to have the courage of boardroom level to realize. That some of these players need to be moved on some of these players brought in, we thought we're going to be really good. And all of a sudden Nelson tomato was going to be the second coming. And then you realize that the guy has serious trouble defending you need a little bit of humidity there. And you need to make some strong decisions to summer and the one thing that would worry me Frankie to Young's in the way, it seems that we're getting a lot of I candy we're getting Yong. We're getting greased and we're getting sort of two, three superstars whereas I think there's a lot of surgery to be done on the everyday role players in this team as well gap, a bottom line when the new league season kicks off the end of August, whenever it is a nest of outlet, a still that on the touchline. But at the mayo came out after the game tonight and said, well he has a contract in tonight's defeat. Wasn't his fault. Labonte mayo ends up swaying with the wind. I'd be really surprised. I think even bus alone if they were gonna make a change, they're not gonna make it based on this game. They would have made the change before that. I think Raj Ingley. They think that they can reenergize team by spending some money this summer. I think about Domos state, I think about the mail. I think the stays bought the monks, definitely stay never manage. It was very much under the spotlight Niko Kovac despite winning his domestic title last week, complete the double Munich taking on ABI light sick and the big showpiece Jim and Cup final in Berlin. Robert Levin dos key, of course looking to add to his tally of goals, but there's pulsing was hoping to score both of them gets in between the fenders. Nice little header, powerful, but nor reaction time of the crossbar now, great safe and didn't they make the most of that little buying this real dangerous attack. And this happened. Kuban Inaba league, the left hand side, allow the cross in this headed from rogue eleven Belsky going back to what's his own, but was somehow gets target. Keeper wrong footed that is an incredible finish PK may make an amazing goal line clearance in the Spanish Cup final. How about this Abraham cannot? Exceptionally well. Staying with the play in an onside position recovers behind goalkeeper as he should kings. Combing takes a little wider than he would have wanted to not with a tremendous safe. This was the pivotal Cup final early in the second full spook cliff through for like sake. But no, it to the rich yet comes up trumps again, come out to strengthen cents in a delicate policy through book, should it better. But Noah exceptional that this is well Kingsley Coleman to pretty much wrapping jumped late on his up in the air kinsman already made. You know what I'm going to sell them in a shot. I'm going to take thoughts around him. Defender. Flies by, and then the nice finish the far post, and then just for good measure, long fold Levin, dusky, muscling his way for completing double. Draw the hoop for Bullen rubber eleven goski doing us. He always does get off me, somehow gets wrong side on their needs to show more strength. But creditor eleven Belsky keeps his poise. What a finish. I n Robin. And Frank river coming on late cameos as they say goodbye to bind robot had a brief moment in front of Galway. His name on the school sheet, do the right footmen. Or the Rumford. Maybe you know he doesn't do that. Minimum Neue, raising the pot as they call it for buying view. Nick at is twelve time that they double windows in Germany, and that's just in the Bundesliga era of this to that. Nineteen sixty three nobody else in German history has managed it more than once pretty good end to the first season charge for Niko Kovac watching this final gap, this could easily have gone in a different direction though. I certainly could have especially in that first half Leipzig creating tons of problems for Byron. I thought. This was a game that really exposed some of Byron's. Weaknesses molars pace on on the counter Tiago. I thought they got with him. Well life. She gambled that they pressed high up the pitch. But one ever ups and downs Byron had this season, the cardinal rule is they, they seem to stay calm, under pressure. They find a way to pass out of the press. They take the lead of us on that rattles, you opposition. And then they go out there and and they managed the game but, but certainly on balance. This was a lot closer than the scoreline suggests. And they wraps up a season that seem to be going horribly off the rails in December. They were in fifth place. Looking totally out of it. They end up as double win the Champions, League remains the big, and they Rada yes. And, and some turmoil early on in this season and some questions, and I think, rightfully so of nego kovic, and then you'll start to as a question of, you know, this team is getting older, and we didn't do anything to make this get any younger. And so when river easing rubbing his senior now you're looking in some different places to try to get that creativity. And that explosive movement and dynamic movement into final thirty or saying what were. Has the talent coming from? Well, you didn't do anything to address it, but through it all they just they just kinda got resold resold after sold eight held came back to them. I think that gave I am unique confidence to then gain run. And when he came time to have a big matchup and he was that game against at home by Munich they puff their chest out and say, you know what? You got beat us. Good luck. You're not going to do it here. And I think, right, then and there they stabbed sells the champions and continue to move forward. What should be considered successful season, you impress watching the Shangqiu? I'll be clearly. No, mugs Ali, I was impressed ones. Goo Livesey with the battery two teams up until rubber eleven. He's some ho finds the back of the net doing only as he can do it seems enough. It was by Munich and cruise control which retrieve come to see and that thing with this by team. They're not. Are they hadn't been as dominant as, as you would think? Or maybe you expect when you talk about by Munich. And you're talking about a team that's just won the double. But I thought Leipzig sure they lack of experience or maybe it was it was by just being better once once they got the goal and similarly league and Allie mentioned this, this league was dope, Mr. lose. And somehow they managed to do that. And by then new when, when others around them, them couldn't and that's been the difference between them and everybody else, not that they've been that much greater than everybody else cab the end of an era for buying with three is on the way, Robin river Phoenix, as well none, none of votes. Smaller. Apart sense. It's a big summit coming up for the Bavarians. It is. And they're really moving on that they're certainly targeting team Verner the big positive with him as he can back up live on ski and obviously do a job for you wide, obviously they extended breeze contract very high on him. They're being strongly linked in the media with a move for for LeRoy Sante as well. He's going to cost an absolute bundle. But they feel that if he comes he's, he's a game changer. You've got Corentin Toledo coming back from injury midfield younger because another season under his bell. And then at the back, you know, you brought in into guys who we hope can can can help you in Pavitt and, and Hernandez wouldn't necessarily have been my choices in terms of addressing the needs that they have. But I think they feel that they'll be stronger in every department. Now all they need to do is maybe lose couple big salaries in the form of HAMAs Rodriguez. Possibly bought Tang and there and the elephant in the room gap Niko Kovac as he done enough, as he displayed his credentials as he gonna stay. See that's the question. Right. We, we think of Byron this very rational club. It shouldn't depend on ninety minutes football whether he stays or goes, especially when they were outplayed foot by foot for long stretches. This is just a hunch. I don't know what they're gonna do. But for me the, the fact that there was still a question. Mark hanging over him going into this game. And buying aren't the kind of club where everything's going to hinge on ninety minutes that suggests to me that maybe he won't be back. We'll be fascinating to follow that we will let salute the end of the robbery era. I enrolled in Frank river. Yeah. This is the numbers they put up Rubery was twelve about being you. Although there's only room for two hours. We'll have to wait. Of course. That's the a you Brennan. Robbery was winning the Champions League get banking twenty thirteen at Wembley. Tracking the domestic dust bunny. You come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to loss socks don't to sudden, although scurry off what's utley fascinating about the money is that, although they're not actually censured creatures when they have Kyko not only saves people money, but also has ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating. It's obvious to them. You should switch because yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer. Oh, no. It's the dust bunnies, only natural predator on the long dust on his run along. Scottish Cup final Ediborah Celtic against hearts, showpiece occasion. It's back in the big game for the first time in a while. And that leg early in the second half in this one. Ryan Edwards, not making the. The best, I suppose, but efficient backheel that works out. I mean, not police in bud again, effective one nothing. They don't care. Unfortunately, the lead launched it eight minutes on taken down in the box. I have no choice here. Edward does well, keep commits, I mean, don't know why you protests, keepers point not. Okay warm, the penalty at want just himself down to tuck it away. Guests there. Cevdet T-rex arms. And it was Ed watts contribution that proves to be the match-winning eight minutes from time. Breaking the hearts of hearts. Goodwin. He was. That was cute age. To do this, these triple-triple. Three times in a row. They've credible. Trouble doing doesn't it? Three two as you said, I ever to do it six time in Cup history. They've, they've won a domestic treble and Thirty-nine Scottish cups. New trophy cabinet, I think very soon in Glasgow. That was even better agent. To keep shutting. That's my question. That's the end of I'm afraid that may well, let's go to France. Tobin to cool as extended his G, P, S, G country. Little bit surprising. This many thinking, he may be on his way out of it room is about max Allegra, even Josie Marino. But he's going to be there through the twenty twenty one season somebody who's not going to be where he is currently Mary about studies or von Tomasz say, on Instagram said, thanks, everyone for these amazing five months, even if we didn't achieve our objectives. A really want to say thanks, coaching staff plays presents is everyone the woods with manti supporters. Thank you. Hopefully, see you soon, or good look for ever, they all right? There's a little message. So ballot Elia free agent. We don't know where he will go next turns twenty nine this role. The latest news and rumors can always catch up with transfer tool. Cannot website, ESPN, AFC dot com. It's the segment where you get your questions onto you send them in. We unto them. It's that simple equation. Okay. Make sense. Vailable on the YouTube channel some juicy wants to jump into today tomorrow show, we'll feature the Italian job the final day of action in Syria steady, we'll have poll gab OB with us say, nothing's creams Italian job like TV. Leap to promotion game involving new Polk County and trim me Rovers deep into stoppage time this happened. Kringle now. Giddings. Two. Toback promotions to the club from the world. Back to back promotions Tranmere? Rovers done in style. But really, the story is Mike, gene the referee. In that. Of course he made it about himself. Motionless creatures, those referees, gab. I know this is a lot of tension in the UK. Do you have a problem with dean celebrating? No. I just I'm more of a general problem with, with Mike dean in general. Ordinary stuck around as long as he has think you setting himself up very nicely for, for post refereeing career when he can become a referee character and more power to them. But I'm very happy for Tranmere because, you know, this is a story club, John, Aldridge, all that, and great to see them climbing through the divisions again. Think pizza Walton was the Newport county fan, so he didn't make the cut. Oh, yeah. Pope peter. To question that felt genuine, I have no problem with my celebrates as as he did. I mean obviously no has been Jordan, and you have to be careful about his appointments, not just trying to, but any of the, you know rival clubs. But yeah, I can't you over your reference clubs as well. The humans we knew they have their favorites. They're human. They can we have come from. Have you seen Peter? Do you see congratulations of Tranmere? Oversize. He that not moving up. Wonderful trend me related questions. On extra time that's coming up next. Extratime go. And I think it may surprise you to learn that there are disgruntled busload Avantel today. They seem to jammed up this company. Right place. Injury is bursting with events. Writ through a few of the before we get into it just his personnel needs goes takes out, goalscoring mid wreckage puts in BT. Mid Elena doesn't play non season. Leaves him into stock cramping with twenty minutes to go on we go instead of author tomato. Who would you have substitute? Or do you think that was the right decision and then how can validate the name to put Sergia Roberta as a right wing when he's lowest guy on the pitch and pitch, Malcolm, decent right-wing? How does he does that change? Second half in game was much benefit bosses and are they are they not wasting messes last couple of seasons. That's kind of a summation of the disgruntlement at outlets have had a lot of luck to impact, as it is. Let's start with Coutihno. Yeah. It has to be incredibly frustrating for Barcelona fans to see what continue has become as a player in Barcelona dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble. Get close to messy, give him the bowl two yards away from him. Dribble dribble gerbil dribble loose ball. And then just walked back, dribble gerbil dribble dribble straight out about. That cannot be what you were looking for. And this was supposed to be a guy that was. He would be the one to relieve some pressure from leeann because continue in theory would be good enough to create space for himself attract attention, and therefore free of messy it has not happened. And the time for continuing he doesn't help himself with the body language either, and that is not a guy if you if you're sitting in row said over there somewhere and you're watching this guy play, and you are ready. They're not feeling all too comfortable about him. And then you see them LUSA the ball and he'd that he doesn't quite have the work ethic or the willingness to go on try to recover the ball that he just lost that would drive anybody absolutely insane. That sounds like a whole lot of triple. When it comes to Cuccia take take your pick. I'm it's been frustrated to see to see continue be that, that, that he has been. But in all honesty, messy. Everybody else as trouble been huge disappointment. There's no Louis highs is sitting on the bench. But I don't think that excuses boss from the finger. Gap is with us gap. Do all these questions you file into what you brought up in the show questions about velvety and his tactics? I mean, there's the Jimmy questions about his t's. Right. Because he could say, well, if I played them Ben Juarez than we don't have the problem routine doesn't play, then we win. And then nobody's going me. But the reality is the reason you, are you have one of the biggest jobs in coaching is that you can come up with other solutions. You can come up with other ways. Hindsight is always twenty twenty obviously, somebody like Malcolm would have made things happen sooner. At least he is a genuine winger. I think there's probably painful decisions that you could have made earlier with some veteran players. You know, I know rackets concern it on. But when rackets easing condition, and it wasn't necessarily the problem tonight, then there's no reason sticking with him just because he's rocketed. We saw data creativity when they moved to what looked like sort of this variation of back three when they were when they were changing chasing the game. You know, the question is, why don't we see that more? Well, why doesn't that become a way of playing in certain situations when you options are limited these questions visited has an answered? And let's not forget he's not here because he's on Mark to he's here because supposedly he is the brilliant tactician, who does different systems and can motivate players. And you know and then can adjust. But there's no adjustments parts of loan. It really is bride. Massey's coattails as long as we can more of a wide angled lens tight question on that subject coming from I Julia attention to this name Stevie Stevie Nichols shepherd's pie. The first question white angle lens from the pie which Spanish giant allowed they scored to pay more bossa Madrid, which we'll have the big overhaul this summer. Take your pick. I think the obvious answer is that my? Who loss, if people don't know this they should know this by now eighteen times in eighteen times kind of gives you an idea how how far they dropped. Did win the league. So it's difficult to make a case that their squad has decayed further than I think we on my house. A bigger. Rebuild job than brussel on those gab one specifically for you from Nick. How'd you think salary bowl will possibly work out and you've intas and can it lead them to Champions League glory? Sorry, rumors won't go away. I don't think anything will have anything concrete, obviously, until after the euro per league final, and a lot of a lot of Domino's have to fall for this to happen. It would be tremendous tremendously. Courageous choice from event is given the recent history given Saudis, recent history, I would be really interesting, and then people already speculating about what's going to happen, where do you play because China Renaldo in saris, four three because pretty obvious they need system. You're the winger are asked to do a lot of coordinated movements. A lot of very specific jobs. You don't wanna do that, this one, we see Ciano operate purely as a centre forward. For example, you need dynamic midfielders to make it work as well as a deep lying quarterback type. Maybe that guy can be commute Ganic possibly. But then you have a dynamism in, you know. Players maturity, like marine Sean to do that. Or they different types of players to me, this Yugoslav wall all Tate better than a lot of the teams out there really doesn't. Doesn't seem suited at all to, to disarm ball for lack of a better return. And all I can think is that if they bring him in this is going to be transitioned season. And it's gonna be a longer term rebuilding projects. One thing is for certain. Your genius gonna play. Hundred percent join and figure out how renowned oh, say Daniel. Genial gene, you play, and according to the two ridden going to be pet on salary is joint event. Oh, schatz. Wow. That's what I read, sources, what I read from Mattel, Uber nineteen. Oh, I saw that. Finally, drove the Guna for alley. Where were you yesterday to say what you normally say when the news about Lukac? I was watching my my son play. What can I tell you? I got priorities. Thoughts on alleys delivering Koku line, Bill these sons if general. If Lukac your does end up into good for him. The. Right now. We don't know who the next inter manager is people are taking for granted that it's going to be on your phone. I don't think we're there yet where we can say that. So if it's a guy who wants Kaku can work. Give them that kind of that kind of service, Schori. It's a chance to, to relaunch his career. I'm not sure inter a lot to depend on the price. But Kaku doesn't come cheap. He has an enormous salary at adventus United. We'd obviously signal the end of, of mile ricotta D when a lot of people might be fine with that. But then you gotta make sure that you can sell them. Well, and get some money back. So I don't know this Lukaku thing seems to be like a lot of talk. A lot of behind the scenes stuff from the man who, despite being suspended right now, still, the great puppet master, one of the great puppet puppet masters. He's the same guy who's moving matai delivered around. He's moving Lukaku around he moved Paul, Paul around if he could. That, man, of course, is mean Araya. Mean araya? Yes. Me. No. We, we love him. Don't we he is? Well, I don't know. Someone does. Florida have suspended, well because you move pieces very well and people don't even know where you are. A head of you got things going on in different places like more like a LEGO match. I said, what's Britta's every does move to into shouli alley? I would expect nothing less volunteering you just. Nothing that I have to hang out with my. That's the case for you. Have to get to now. I'm out I've read I I'll have a thousand times over my wouldn't it. We will be concentrating tally matches tomorrow as the champions of the expense Osorio, Gavaud return, and the, the Italian boys. Stevie? We'll be easy. Yeah. So you that.

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Irvine Welsh: the origins of Trainspotting

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46:31 min | 2 years ago

Irvine Welsh: the origins of Trainspotting

"This is an ABC podcast in the ninety nineties Scottish author Irvine, Welsh write the book called transplanting. It was a black comic and tragic novel sit in Edinburgh Scotland and it introduced us to four young Scottish characters. Renton sick boy, spud, and big who very Asli indulging heroin theft, Ovallis and these based on people even Wilshire new while he was living in it and brought which had a raging epidemic of heroin abuse at the time. Transporting was made into a hugely into tiny maybe the became an international blockbuster at the time it was criticized for glamorizing heroin use. But the truth is it didn't flinch from the hideous and terrifying and occasionally disgusting consequences of drug abuse. Been Welsh's since written several other novels all with fabulous names like glued filth. Skaggs reheated cabbage the sex lives of Siamese twins. His most recent novel is called dead men's trousers, and it follows the lives of the central characters from transporting some twenty five years later and the characters have all moved on in ways reflect the way the world has changed in the last few decades, Renton, the editon real estate agent is now an international deejay manager Biggby, the psycho has renounced violence and become a famous artist and spud and sick boy, technique a spot of black market. Organ harvesting. Mostly leading much better lives. And that could have dreamed of Beckham today when they were living in filthy council, flats and squats on the outskirts of Edinburgh and even Wilshire's life has changed too, in ways that would have been well beyond his imagination as a kid in working class, Scotland now just a heads up this conversation, obviously features discussion of drug related matters. And there's a bit of hush languages. World are recorded this conversation with Evan Welsh at last year's camber writers week. Lease full lovely Scottish chaps that once again, featuring deadman's trousers. They happy about where they've landed in middle age. Yes, I think one of them is very happy, who's the one you didn't expect to be happy. His Begbie, even though is, is still not basically, kind of learned self control, which is always more dangerous not learn self control. We think oh, they're keeping the poser dry here. I mean Renton seems to be successful. You know, it seems to be booking in the music, businesses deja, monitor it travels first class and stays nicer tells but it's just constantly traveling all the team. And of a couple of friends who are kind of quite big deejays of federal. With the managers and so terrible life. You know, it's like kind of because you're just constantly kind of fallen people around and looking after them, and you don't have much time to yourself. He's enough time for elation ships, and you don't have time to Kane just downtown. Really? And so he's kind of as Tunda kind of to stop in the skin dream job way is tons of nightmare for them, and segue still hustling. So he's not still hustle on the fringes of the kind of adult entertainment industry. So he's going to struggle in a bit, too and spots of struggling the most he's gonna candidates to choose to drug addicts. So can donate. He'll normally phoned the police and doing the world forum or kind of fun. Typical post-industrial guy, basically, who's not really kind of manual is like, like so many people, so the not, you know, the, the not in great shape, and a lot ways, basically, like a rating, if you don't mind from deadman's transis, a sense of your voice in this book, right? Yeah. I'll do a little boys because it does sick boy last night and done. Ali publicists do suck boys. She likes sick boy best all the been sick boy for so many. So anyway, this is called tenders tonight. Those tenders and every every night as well. So we're good. You and mccorkell deal examines himself in the bathroom mirror. He prefers for he sees remove glosses this act sending his features into satisfying blow. Fifty years, half a century, we're all gone. He replaces spectacles to contemplate an increasingly skull lake head apex by sober bus cut bristle, you, and then look stone has bare feet pink plates on the heated block tile floor as it does in the same way that other studied, our faces how many pairs of is seen in his life. Thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands flat twisted Brooklyn fracture. Crushed Bon Scott petted infected, but not as on these of loss of the rest of them. Moving from the on suite bathroom. You in dress is quickly knocked by a mild envy of his still sleeping wife Collado has the best part of a decade of youthful advantage on him and his Hundley middle each. Well, she bloated in her mid thirties in union was secretly looking forward to her gaining some of her mother's upholstery. He likes women who tend towards the plump. But then a dedicated dieting, Jim regime seem to make a lotta go backwards and time not only approximate her youthful self in some ways even surpassing, it should never have muscles like that. When I got together and yoga has given her suppleness and range of motion previously beyond her. No union is experiencing the return of weathering sensation. But she hoped age would completely von quish that he's Mustpha punching above his way in this relationship. You in. However, is devoted husband and father who spent his muddied life, happily indulging his wife and son. This is especially the case on Christmas. He loves car, Lotto's Atari in social extravagance and ruined have wished his own steer. Background on anybody a birthday that fell on Christmas Eve, and we free Presbyterian family. It was a recipe for privation in the Glades, but UN's enjoyment of the festive period, is generally ring-fence thrown lotto, and Ross as Bonomi tends to dissipate when all brought into the mix and tomorrow, his expected to us Christmas dinner for her family Kalat as mother of vita her sister, Louisa lose husband, Jerry, and kids. They're all fine as a brother Simon who runs a dubious sewn ding escort agency in Lund. Even whom he isn't to shoot a boat. Thankfully, Ross and Simon son bend seemed to get on is just as well. Simon has seldom been around the last two days after arriving from London with the young man. He unceremoniously dumped pure ban on them and to cough. It wasn't on really. No to Ben is such a quiet young chump. He finds Ross stone in the kitchen still in his pajamas and dressing going south at the table playing a game in his ipod. Mulling son. Molin. Dodd Ross Luke's up bottom lip protruding. No happy. Both birthday. Well. As obvious son has something else in his mind whereas Ben still asleep. Everything. Okay with you guys, his son Poos affairs union interpret and snaps the ipod shut, I it's just then raw suddenly explodes. I'm never gonna go friend OB virgin, Tila died. You in cringes. Oh, god. He shitting room with band. He's a nice lad, but he's old donates his son of Simon. Has been been teasing. You about girls as no bad everybody school, the vol- go friend's son. You're fifteen the still time. One of the most fascinating characters in your books as big new people like him who lived here in Canberra back in the day funny enough really genuinely terrifying people. He'll politics prime minister now. The thing about big though, he was joyously violet. He wasn't just vaunted. He he'd liked actually enjoyed it. When someone spills punt now. He's renounced violence. Why? Well, you know, when you cut it to light, the I mean, I was conscious for the last few times at HUD baked, you know, cut it through in one of the boots, and it was conscious of the just become this kind of almost late relief. Basically, you know it comes a prison e causes chaos. It goes back into prison again. And there's a limit to the number of times, you can keep doing. You know, people see coming on my L away. And I thought the conscious essentially came the dads dramatically is not really functioning in any kind of new is no ark for Rome, and to breathe life buck into this carpenter thought, well, after make them redeemed and somewhere, you know, after kind of fun, you know how can how can I make them redeems? Basically, I thought, well, how do people change people get into the is in the gets reflective? And all and the sought thing, this is a loss John's a half to change. So, basically, I just did you know how people do change us through love the change through are just through lots of love and, you know, kind of surrender and buddies loving family. Give them a career as discover the talent for our in sculpture painting and prison under Surinder mall this, and then I thought this is great. You know is kinda change and who's going to is actually a boring Boston. No. So how make them quite dramatic again thought well maybe is not change maybe still a psychopath, but is a cold blooded role in the hot button is like about. He still likes hot and people base where that you can't really do that. Overtly otherwise you prison. Yeah, just wondering about that, if things changed a bit since the nineties, because trying spotting back in the day, the seems to be a bit like a bit of social tolerance for his violence, a degree of any way where he's friends wind into seat, and try and stop him. Do you think there's less social tolerance for that kind of mad Boston violence, these days definitely and it's terrible? The we still tolerate kind of. Baluch the news, you see people kind of kinda gotten short, you see kids, getting locked up in America, you see because getting killed and policy and we're kinda just just totally. But some new you see as a, a kind of a bunch of young guys Persson street punching each other see TV. And there's some this moral outrage and indignation over kind of place of websites and tower and of sustainable. This is horrible has going to be stumped with moved on from eighties. And, you know, these days thuggery, and again, it's like this thing that go so kind of individualistic and sell center, the narcissistic, you know, if something kind of fun his happening, our community affects us to witness something that's kind of a little bit to stay civil can react to very strongly Bevis happening somewhere else. It's just pixels, we do to care so much the action in the text place in several different places but ignorant. Self, how much has enriched changed since the first Trainspotting book. I mean obviously massively everywhere changing every every just, you know, it's like change is just going to wrap it an exponential. No. And actually don't know send bre change in not much. I don't know London change in that much because other than Chicago for nine years, and America when the, when the change of a district changes that changes almost overnight, because they're just tear, everything down the revolt against other go away from, from a neighborhood in Chicago in a comeback hopeless different within a few weeks basically, you know, where it is because it's so much conservation orders, and his like hadn't burn London, Nico you. You get all these horrible skyscrapers, thrown up in London. No. But. But basically, the seems to change a little slower you know, compared to the state so can feels everybody else. Knows difference every Simpson Simpson. Oh, so lot more than I used to spend a fifth at a time inr in the eighties nineties, and I remember being a place where the, the old town medieval town, which is kind of magical. That's the kind of Mexican side of the Brian this the new town, which is really from the Scottish enlightenment, and that's kind of the rational side of the brain. And then all of that, that lovely city surrounded by these rings of housing estates, which are kind of places of heroin addiction roiling. Chaos violence is, is that a fair depiction? Does that every in the world? So, yeah, I mean Edinburgh did this I in a way because, basically you just had deal tone? You know, and people, you know, lifting big tenements with skyscrapers, and the push people, you know, the lawyers, doctors and teachers live pile up, and then in the middle of the, the, the joiners and conferences, and plumbers, and sort of, and then the bottom, you of the levers, and then they built a new tone all the, the lawyers, doctors and teachers moved up. So you heard that, you know, basically the for suburb and the first ghetto after that, you're the slum clearances, and the move everybody out the poor people into the peripheral host and states every say, in a way as full dot Cain. The model of that came to social and class conception, an ember that even Moyen Bruce, because of festival sort of reinvented. Itself as a Tutis spoke all this beautiful little kind of full, turn this kind of fun, these books ways of Georgian can you turn street, so you had the festival, and it became all about to incomer so important to, to push the conclusive in other oh, basically, and those like just every, so it does Memphis is going to basically competing with each other, and the tutors in conference market and the only one of being around to bring the place in disrepute. You know, you want in the moat say, you know, and so ever you go is kind of as much the same with, you know, different backdrop, you spend much of your childhood in leaf which was once a working port. I think in Edinburgh on the water's edge there this that are happy childhood, you recall it, such. Yeah. I mean I'm kinda ado to call as happy to it was kind of goes to the feast. Because my father was really sick was growing up on. And, you know, your conscious of to this guy was really early. It's kind of gone into remission with his own. And then he was, you know, so it was a kind of dreads under Conrad, but other great friends and an extended family in the area. You know, so but then you brought up multiple ho cels me, oh, my Joyce, Clermont EBay. It was across the road. Monte, Nancy was up the hill Macron, mother was gonna just on the Walker self so you kinda just went around different hoses, and you got fed multiple teams and all, and you kind of, and you got money still money from different onto and all that kind of stuff. It was great. You know, just feel fell very Adila, Jim Powell's, you played football and you go all the you went to the box club. And there's just eh just felt very nice felt kind of, you know, felt like you know, I hate Sunday like one of these Hovis Oliver some Britain, you know, this nostalgia thing. But if l is very different kind of life. You know, all that pelota people feel it takes village to raise a child. But it was it was an extended community was extended family. And even when we moved, oh, into the Maysonet, some your host a lot of people come from the same par towns of so people stolen you each other still sense of community, the time you've got arrested, when you eight yes. Go restaurant was eight years old and charged in ticking up to the high court Edinburgh, virtually admonished other criminal records, what you're wristed fall as for playing football in the streets. There wasn't any new ballgame signs, but we're moved Bill is play football in the street, Nathan moved to bureaus and what law, did you break on? There was some council bylaw that nobody knew about and the police came in the charged us and the youngest person to the charge was seven in oldest. Ten six of us charge ticking up to court appearance at day of work, and it would never have happened in a posh, PA atone. But obviously the police kinda told to make some example, scheme kids, that don't work came about the judge to be fair to them, this kind of, you know, like this kind of the folks going on you while you wait while you're wasting my time with us and. Monitor's, but that was on FOX gonna criminal record thing that Todd had an effect on your light a lot. Well, you know what it was kind of a kind of, you know, went to school, the next again day, and I was just going to late nice quiet. We boy school and all, and then are you taking on Sunday, the road? Are you John charge dead? Who lost you up. Sunday must have got you up became I came aware all these Terim's you know, like, you know. If you know, something must of funny, it was was over in Ireland, Dougie. He was one of the guys best mates of nonsense of a sex still one of my best mates that those spend the new year him and in Ireland and slag over lose. No. And he was in that I was this family dig rosters up because they're usually football. And they wanna do that. So. Fifty years live. We're still kind of go. Justice. Good. But yeah, you know, it's suddenly suddenly thought kind of a walk to school like James Cagney in one of these movies, like. Among Liz, okay. Common criminal Cohen criminal kept using using the phrase common criminal is coming criminal system. Dhadly. And, and she was always Parramatta, because Madonna's site particular, grandfather was kind of big gangster element. He was dodgy Connick to Mme mung one among whose burn the other one was, she was always body skipping a generation would be an obvious on the end up being this kind of criminal mastermind. But. And I thought, well as playing football in the street moment. Come on. You know, you're doing kind of fester ended alleged, you've got criminal record already. But, you know, it's like there's something though you kind of just. Well, why is this up into me? Why is this up until us? But just be boys kicking a bullet on suddenly would enemies of the state. We're opens up in core. Mccain of we have this state in a record for. I'm Ben you a terrified. Remember one week case who is like new six years old, and they let him go because if you just crying, so I'm going to be six years old, please come down and bans and all that you think you're going to be taken away from your parents know like crying is a, you know, as you can go on the rest of them gives your name address. We're live and a lot of, you know, so what were the expectations surrounding you once you've finished school? What would you gonna budget from fr? Of the star of in the gutter of the what to whistle was the sewer. Yeah. I mean it's like the, the district lived in north Edinburgh. The as pledge of schemes of his kinda Muir host, potent grant, and Royston dry law west granton role close together. And there's all basically one place. It was kinda rivalry between these different areas. But there was a lot of employers. It was thrown to the United wire works. A lot of factories that are the time and Parsons, people's another one, whose people's, and it was an expectation that you go to work in one of these parties, basically, hopefully we got trade, what you wanted to yourself. That's why did I should catch the became a an apprentice, TV mechanic, first job is like an fixing televisions? Others completely unsuited for any, you know, any kinds of any employment. That's why he become a right? Or thing you can find you find the inaugu to anything else. Us you hit rock bottom, and become a rod. Yeah. Well, you know, I was we still every Friday we used to the for apprentices amuse to the Gulf of Steve to the pub, and drink of drink loads, and loads and done as sixteen years old. You really think you think you can drink those econ used to have the, the Volve sets the TV sets devolves, and you these gloss, bits, you know, the, the big kind of gloss falls sucker on into the into devolve, and it was called the soccer covered up this thing called the final annoyed which was. The of all the corden vomited on volts and Ohms meters and used to take a reading, you know, you got screwdriver you to designs, a screwdriver you're reading to see if the, you know, the was, and all that is if a stable of trae succumb, and member being the pub and bleed inspect you often on the screwdriver man slipped onto the metal and hard to food force of the whole thing. And it was e c current community AC hold you in DC throws. You remember like. So kind of vibrate. In a way and is kind of basically, like a jock Russell's Bullock's pulpit, opened my ahead populations and kind of bundling. Smell coming from arm abundantly. Small mom and everybody is just going to the business. Normally not concede this up into and eventually. Apollo nines. Run-up brush, in touch. See we just just go through him to go Russian in. Not TV brought the TV to soccer. On the floor member looking at this late next. The next I kind of woke up in hospital and the most embarrassing thing was because of sixteen of his cover, and everyone of buffs. Exploded these spots in the face probably actually cured it probably actually cured that there. 'cause big our and top, jaw also. And all that. And I thought, how did this, you must be something delicacy, look, Machar, and what's happened is that the gopher had kind of a drummed us chisel, most one of my teeth because the stop move from kind of thought all the emotion he's, he's been through a tongue to try and stop me from spallina Tong of that. But just just bitten the site then say the Machiko, you know, all this kind of found all this blood was stricken and all those, you know. Brooklyn teeth and stuff because basically trying to help. Any excuse rummages on this. To rumour chisel in this buses going lega-. Lega-. Kost broadcast and online. This is conversations with Richard Fidler on ABC radio. Subscribe to the conversations podcast. To find out more just, hey to ABC dot net. Are you slash conversations? Light. Seventies, you went to London was punk rock and heroin the same time that would kind of associated here rent at the same time as well. Do you see those two things as being linked for me the rub because I kept getting through an bonds, new under terms to heroin was such a crop musician that anybody who go any goods would suddenly just me. Oh, you know, and member was used to record shops in high in the record shops. And I remember tune to one record shop on Bundu. It was fee. And, you know, you have all this kind of, you know, drummer one, and all that, you know, for bonds of and I just saw this, this out of like basis, wanted and a recognized. The recognize the full number the last my me the Qatar in the bond. I'm the basis. Of also. So we're in. Aware into the phone books fund. The fund them up. On my here you for bicyclist and he goes. Yeah. Yeah. For if. Sorta got to tell you know, quite cotton. My bond up for him the nine I you can keep the name, basically. So, so, I think that's kind of explains a lot, but the heroine a solvent for pain with a lot of people who take a lot, I've done. This is kind of about them. There's kind of like we are now in the sense that I'm this kind of Harare astronaut. I have the courage to go into this strange and strange place that the streets, too scared to go into did you see a lot of that yourself where you like that yourself? Yes. And yes. This address thing is with. You look at if you look at the Trainspotting the I can to the cottage, like come Renton sick boy, other very different kind of dynamic think to, to like spud who basically, you know, can if he's unemployed. It's not gonna prospects and it's just the way of. Giving them something to do, but also have taken over the pain that you lights go. No, what, what is thing. But them Renton. And sick boy, the probably wouldn't have been a heroin addict. Saudi not may other a kind of foliage, Jude kind of, you know, the of Eggen each other on the other that kind relationship that can rent boy relationship with them a good ball nine and we just probably wouldn't have been junkies. I mean, we might have doubled and became each other on an extent. We had kind of that kind of a setting that, you know, we're into the Scana music, and we the straight kind of all all, and we're cool, everybody else's obstacle and all the you know, so, yeah. So that out against some bucket was basic returning to transporting having another look at an outdoor these years. It's two things. I noticed one is that is the ceaselessly brilliant, Blackley comic invention? That's runs throughout nearly all your writing all your righty. I should. Say and the other side of that. And I think that balances this really nicely is the kind of moral voice that I don't think many people like to talk about with you. I don't know like Renton. Mike Renton is Caisley trying to run away from in casually returns to this awful haunting troubling question, which is a my good guy. I'm on moral person. Do I have any kind of moral? Character. Whatsoever is writing in this way away at forcing you to address questions yourself, probably. Yes. Yeah. I mean thing that, you know, you kind of. A thing that, you know, any kind of writing some kind of an investigation. It's an investigation to self and also an investigation to the world, you're living in, you know, you're trying to kind of, you're trying to of, you know, create characters or maybe a little big streaming a little a way of a way of trying to work out. What is this place? But, you know, of some the behaves in this way, what kind of sanctions, they're likely to have by the, you know, the world in the whole the whole what parts of the behavior is going to be endorsed, which parcel behavior is going to be challenged. You know, you know, and it's a, it's a really to me fiction is really interesting for doing and done. You know, improbably node of a kind of a whole sort of okay of before, the, the narcissism, fair years of rampant individualism and new liberalism Coleman than the. The, the whole reality TV culture and Republican need it. No, almost like the bottle of created from Postmodernism right into this will have no is fictional, Sola boat, kind of fun as all false negatives is all boot. Challenge in not can perception of reality. I mean it's like kind of politicians. No, the biggest fiction writers, the right in themselves into this fiction and the right. And you're the and we all suffer as a result of that you look at what's happening in. I mean, if you look at the number of prime minister's you fat here, and number prime says, used to have, you know, the something kind of something wrong with this, this little kind of narcissistic, bubble of competition in this close Boral, you know, as like a politics knows a game for, for rich self-indulgent people to play the rest of, of being completed some franchise from the whole system. There's a moment's transponder where Renton. Become a real estate agents, and he's given up heroin, and he's out in about a mirrors your experience and this amazing line. He says there was no such thing as society than if there was. I wanted nothing to do with it. You're paraphrasing Margaret Thatcher there. These people like Renton and maybe yourself in your ideas being products of the Thatcher era in. Yeah. We hit it. Roger most of us from going to phone, the unit clued up kind of so punk when the one class kind of really detested the but this, that do yourself, Ethel's was kind of fun. I thought you know honest because it came from a of industrial can socialist culture. Now I thought when all these median dusty allies can forcibly on the Thatcherism off. I'm going to do this life and. I thought I'd be one of the guys kind of went under basically but was actually phoned to almost barris men as one of the guys that thrived in that situation, the hosted scheme, the agree up, and like the everybody was horrible. And just a news. A small number of people who are some bloggers, and so, you know, and, and then it is like kind of fun, all that work collapsed, and all that paid about colossus but is people that will Cain the season bloggers the doom. Well, the only ones money because they are these skills to kind of get buy in Sunday, all the kind, the good people trying to emulate them because, you know, that was the only way you can make money basically, kind of get a buggy weeds and start selling or Kanus doing alone, shocking, or kind of start doing of Ken, people walking doors or in protection can rocket stuff and all that, you know, everything, just, you know, the criminal kind underclass element of concludes became the came the mainstream, in a sense because nothing else. Everything else been taken away, and it was only people because all the characters complain a lot about capitalism, but keep getting himself involved in some of the worst aspects of it, Dr deal. And now organ harvesting. I mean it's, it's pretty amazing. I'm sure that's intentional on your. Yeah. I mean it is because there is nothing else. There's nothing there is nothing else for people to, you know, I mean it's like, basically the, the economy of the schemes hostess to snow for young people as basically jumped economy. What else are you going to do so drugs? There's no there's no other way of making a living. The character Renton is the one. That's must like you think that, that's pretty obvious? I wonder wonder if there's a this is a really silly analogy on six in the city thing going on where there's Carrie Bradshaw is clearly the author. The around drinking cook tells the other three character kinda like more Lytle, or distinct versions of different aspects of that one character spot is more of your gentleness, and sweetness and Begbie might have I know violence, sick boy is cynicism. What do you think of that theory? Yeah, I wanna be called. You know, I was gonna say, what s GP from though, but one because I want to refer to as idea w earlier. Yeah. I mean, I don't think that the great thing boat, but you write, as encourage, you never know her much of them as you. You know, it's like all of them something if you don't you. Yeah. I mean, I tend to let the subconscious to the heavy lifting and because of that you're not really sure you're not really sure who you're basing his was on how much from this kind of to your own lanes, much different alternative actions of you that you use or under user of us in another scenario. I know that, but I used to go ahead and bre, every time comes to me miss based on me on. The most of the ones that didn't see it was good. I funny thing this people are in. They'll get their kids MO money. How about you? If you practice kind of violence ever in your life. No, I mean, I'm you know, it's like. No. I'm I'm that week that mementos manger delay shows to choose from if I basically. Okay. I'm telling you. I'm telling the worst player in the world goes, I've been box for years, and all that kind of box close for years. And I actually do know how to throw punches stand and all, but as soon as a street fair, kicks off just of go into win. Millan can on site. So I'm not the guy you want bucking. Yup. Kind of street Faye. Right to, to ask you, this, in an accusatory way. Because in, in a book going with a lot of in an environment where you're street violence. It's it's impossible to avoid it entirely, isn't it? Yeah. I mean it was almost like. Every weekend, the would be some kind of, you know, be some kind of you. Go is a bunch of guys. Young guys you go to you go become per stop in tone. You go to a few more pubs you go club discotheque, you know. And if you don't get laid is, which was usually, the case, basically, like often the case you just end up being a bunch of other guys from a town and your something kickoff over some nonsense, Trunka nonsense. Then you have the food and saw is also football and saw this O's very much and not Bill into the living in you'd find Athens of the north the fringes on this, this amazing festival of art and culture again though. I get in the morning. See, like a trial of blood going all the way down the footpath guys for like half a kilometre someone's either had their no smashed in open stabbed. That's kind of commonplace. And I don't know how you avoid that. Yeah. I mean you're doing really it's just one of these park and the growing up. I think you know, it's like. I mean, I don't of this change in the way we but we can accommodate up you tough to ask. So young kids, I know that when I go back go meet Jimmy Elvis. Jimmy tells me everything that's going on that, she usually, does the of who stopped to and who's been shocking his girlfriend whose threaten to with filings and who's comer goose host for baseball. And I kind of think of this is Kennedy depression, that people still doing this node you, you take an interest in it, because people, you know that are involved and all, but I just think cut it just seem. So people have just got too much time in the hundred is gonna be a a symptom and just not having enough things to be interested in Dokie by yourself. You've been living in America for some years now. It's just an anxious time to be living in America, I think, is an anxious time to live in anywhere. Like you know because of good to the age. No. I thought of especially when you're doing that from two thousand two thousand eight before the crash used to yourself. This is quite boring, over things have been resolved as kind of the end the fist today. And then you thing you had to the crash you think God's the world's shooting. My die before me. So Cindy younger people all die. Buffoons Bruin and all the millennials. No, no. So must be of this bizarre world, for all the people actually younger people in econ of that. I think that can you use spin stolen from younger people cultures being taken away from them. The minster another thing and move. The parental warms been taken away from them really sods for something to youth as Sperry a very anxious team. I mean it's like if you remember the Saddam -i very few wild animals died in the snobby. Because the instinctively knew something was in the air as some effects essential threat in the prepared. Now thinking of we human beings like that. We know that something's coming as a moving towards something. And it's kind of, you know, the climate climate change the financials ation, they're Khanna made a debt to Konomi the ball position, explosion, and the grown elderly popular. Explosion. We know that big, big challenges ahead. And what did we do? We'll let these slow moves despots up. So if goal and this is going to save us, you know, so we really need to invest in intelligence soon, the mini mini the leadership, but doting leadership intelligence again. So as berry consoling, so there is there there's a lot to be the boat. I think can a look to be concerned about in the Brexit referendum Scotland by majority vita to remain while England voted to leave by majority since then it seemed like the why England is dealing with the consequences of Frank's, it pretty pretty cavalier to places like Scotland and Northern Ireland getting this is likely to bring about the breaking up of the United Kingdom. With Scotland gets independence anything could happen, though. I mean you could you have independence you could have a fascist regime, you could have a kind of. Some kind of revolutionary situation. Minute, everything Sears rethink that that's possible. I think everything's so volatile don't really know that seems to be everything seems to be kinda Bill on Brexit signed right now. It's not so much that is covered of praxis like you have a bunch of people who actually looking is Brexit negotiations. And there's nothing implicit is no trade deals. And it's like you kind of hokey you government and not have any, any trade deals in places bizarre. You know. And I think that's the product of their years of, of lese fair. And for the, the neoliberal economics of being a boat just diversed diverse, and every kind of responsibility from government and given all to private sector, corporations, and no government. I should don't know how to govern very basic way you know, this like, oh, it never hot to negotiate trade deals before, also the youth of the beef left new. So the goal sheet, those Arbat. Well, we're. But we don't really know it's no real job say the private sector, but they don't know how to govern don't know how to be politics government. You know, they don't have to work the whole thing. So upper atis is been there to kind of fun to nibble us to go on with the life's sort of Maine recently that famous bus in the Brexit campaign that said, three hundred million pounds more for the United chess, and they've replaced that now with another slug in that is there will still be food. That's that's where it's at the middle of the one, you know, I mean it's like the talking about nothing coming in so bizarre if you gain your food from the country's used to treat with who you're going to get from, you know, like you're talking, this is Cornwall voted for Brexit. The remote islands Scotland, who didn't, you know, the going to be massive food, shortages, earn transpose. It's almost kind of voted for a form of kind of second World War type rushing. And now one of the big problems of Britain is, is kind of planet World War, Two will never kind of we've never gotten away from all that in the nonsense came back to when you're in your early twenties, and you're scratching around during this and that trying to make a living here. And then if someone sept- out of a time machine. It's hello. I'm from the future and I'm here to tell you that, by the time you your fifties. You'll said, however many bestselling novels huge Holly. He would movies based on your on your writing, you'd be living in Miami and Chicago and you'd be earning. Millions of minutes of pounds with that of pleased you. You. I've found that fabulous or would you and is it as good as you might have fold it would be. Pretty much par. For the course the said. With on the Scottish Cup then of a real. No way. No way. It's only your heart. Some happy. You are so hard to please. What is your place? Thank even Welsh. You. 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Divock Intervention

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Divock Intervention

"Hello, welcome. In addition ESPN. I'm Dan Thomas. Enjoy my shack. Here's an alley. Moreno just two games ago. Then in the Premier League the pronouncement match for Liverpool at some changes parts aching on at Newcastle. Looking at pressure Lynch to city action 'til Monday home against less, and it would be the perfect SAFA urine Klopp side Van Dyke completely unmarked to make what now in the third teams minute. Optional defending by Newcastle cells loses Virgil dyke, and it is a wide open headed. I mean, this is a training header one. So you kinda that livable with kick on however, seven minutes later, new CASA would get equalizing bizarre circumstances because take a look at this on with a handle always say the referendum say, absolutely. Then makes it one one. So you can get away with it here. Even though they can see I mean, if you give that. Opponents sending off. Yes. On livable. Delta ten men with seventy minutes left to play but replays play on. Refereed then see a shocker. Six minutes, later, Paris and his across spa. Still just by he'll sit is the second one in particular special one Divulje, it's not getting their unfortunate. Most Sunol then make it to the this is a boiled over from Alexander on on the finished by more Saleh doesn't try to put an awful lot of poll behind it. Just guides into that post is wonderfully executed Daniel salary starting this game. No for me in five minutes into the second half Englishman with a chance to make it three one. That puts it over the VAR. Well, you're gonna put it over the bar. Make sure it's way over the bar. Yeah. It's not very I'll tell you that it's not great full minutes later to to run dome with a goal. From the centerpiece Newcastle. The initiative Clair's Liverpool pick buddies out run on finding minute spiel Sadak dome. Shack concern hair is allow goes down with twenty minutes ago. He would be stretchered off after this collision. Right leg of the wrath guy. That comes across the phase of mama's Saleh hit on the side of the head. Come off upset went and see regarding his fitness for the ball Celona games. Four minutes ago. Van Dyke says only she can't reach you take this. Wants an in swing. It gets an swing reaching makes it three to, but you school from some of the Sikkim sounds as early on boil you want all is van die are- Gruson nickel defenders which have a week. You take. Massive win for Liverpool then defeating Newcastle by three goals to to. He's a fascinating match particularly in the second half. We just thought that livable's title chances role, but over that region Hedda very much keep so in the rights of all the people that don't want Liverpool to win the title for various reasons. Many of them on social media appointing to the freaky. It was awarded led up to that third goal suggesting that beano dived here. Not wrong. Even when my loose standards. I'm believe me. I lose ten this coast to come on. Now. Goodness afoul. But it was given now. Now, you gotta defend it Nestle. Now, you gotta defend that you didn't do it properly and give credit to Liverpool that they get the goal. Huge result for Louisville. This because that second half, we're all kind of the gun. You know, that's kind of it was done expected this to be one way traffic throughout I thought you played their part in making this an interesting contests. They were talking about even my expected but Liverpool as as you would expect I thought about two teams. But you just wondered if they let it slip. You get a little bit of luck. And you make it Cohn. We we keep going pases title fight. You think twenty minutes to go you feel like you've done everything made wait he lose against Vassallo. You've tried you one. How however many games ten games twelve. And yet you're in this situation where you see a Starman stretch it off the me. No. Of course didn't start. Even the most devout of families of about stage with done, and it's difficult. And the fact is that when Odie comes on for Saleh, you're not thinking that he's going to score the winner for you. You're hoping that maybe he has a moment that perhaps his ball in maybe Mina gets on the end or something. But Riga wasn't supposed to be the guy because let's be honest. He would not have been on the field had Sal not be ninja. And so if you believe in that sort of stuff where things are meant to be and destined and written in the stars. Well, salad comes of never good to see that happen. Yeah. What are you comes on? And he gets on the end of the game winner, you really not sort of hang onto that stuff. The other thing that you got to believe is that I don't understand laws of the game. That would make it better for Newcastle to miss the chance under I will because he got to MRs chance, and we're assuming that deaf referee has seen it the handball by Alexander Arnel. It's not only a penalty kick. But at Redcar there aren't. That's a much better scenario for Newcastle that having score the goal and still have to play eleven v eleven against Liverpool. Something is wrong with a law that it's better for you to miss a chance than it is to scored. That's just remind you of his incredible run that both city and live on at the moment. As I mentioned for one ten they lost twelve managed that. Much that thorn in the side is the fat in the Manchester City have won twelve ounce of that lost twelve. That's good reports. They going less the city at home on Monday, the final game of the season for livable. Alan field against the womb side who won once again today as I mentioned the city is less through Monday. And then Brighton who are safe off the result. So really livable fans are just hoping that Leicester City can do them favor on Monday. Would you as a cities player any points that I think goodness me maybe is written in stone? Does it take any sort of mental toll on you? Sing what Liverpool did today? Why it doesn't make it easier? That certainly case I'm wanting you have to play second in this case might just the city and having to wait a couple days in order to play because if your city you wanna get out there, right? You're those players you want to be out there and do your job and allow yourself to express what you can do out on the field rather than. Sitting waiting having to read everything that's now going on and every fingers pointed at you say, okay now the ball is in your can take care of it. And I think that those player apart. But if you mentioned the city, and you're told look you have to be lesser at home and Brian away and your Premier League champion you take. What else would you want? This is something that they should be good enough to do. They have proven to be good enough to do. It problem is that they're due for a bad result. There do for a bad performance better. Not be this last couple of games. It's interesting everything coming out city Oviously saying the right things in particular while you play football, the sort of games, you wanna play you wanna go in then knowing that you have to win it is that just rhetoric. No, that's that's an absolute truth point is absolutely right. You prefer to play first and put the pressure on the opposition. And the length of time between Liverpool's win city playing. Maybe a little bit of a pot because going live Poos, we I think affects you one way or the other. But. This is what you as a player. These these moments that you reddish, you want to step up for you want to be on the big teach all eyes are on you. And looking to see how you respond if that if that doesn't get you juices flowing, then your other wrong club. Don't don't play chasing titles. Every time this on the field, Benton Rogers liver pool, you asking brenda's less to do a fever. City haven't been great. But they keep getting the results. These are the moments you one, and you want to be in that stage when you have a team, and you have the confidence to be that group when you're a little shaky. You don't want any part of this the man to cities shaky. Meanwhile, neither rebel Celona. Although they didn't they. Saying live mid week and the second I got champions Ali could've gotten into this team tonight. Insane laughed at den belly hurts his hamstring. Hey, spoil sof lay Celta tangle even seen. Go still guy making it one new twenty three minutes ago. Remember mine to go Mexico. There's no good news. The meta gets in your seems to be happening way. Too often for the many and is a player that they could've used in that second leg against liberal in the counterattack penalty awarded late on salvia amble given. I'm. Not true. Okay. Well, it was. Plan. Would make it to nil then to sow but Liverpool's just gonna area eleven I take you know, having made the bench. What? Thing. I gotta tell you. I like my chances. No. Hall, the noth- task isn't it if you live opposed to try and turn around three now I like. But the team's completely rested. We heard you can come out and say off the game for me. I was going to feature allows oversee a big question. Mark his spinners after being taken off. Who? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a collective side coming from from the restroom. But similarly where you're at a coupla Liverpool. These are the moments that you look forward to it's not ideal. But you know, it's an opportunity for for you somebody to step up. You don't you don't shit challenge. Even with the deficit being what it is even with a messy being who we isn't embossing being being well rested. As a neutral. It's not I don't think a lot chair about. But if you're dressing room, you're excited. Not according to you. The level of excitement that you really want dressing room. Okay. I'm. Very very far from the Dresden repairing Lii bossa loving life. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, they're loving. But here's here's something that that that Liverpool. So has going against them the experience from Barcelona last year against Roma. Cannot happen two years ago. Simply cannot and those are the same place that will be on the field next week, you met missed the Berlin messy was pretty good again. Live a poll people, reminding shack handsome of facts on time today as some the old ones with pray Stevie. You can catch extra time on I'll YouTube channel. As we walked suburban garden, gnome, Catholic Catholic without stubbing it notice it moves like not at all it's inanimate and utterly without brain function. But despite that when it got gnome hears about how gyco not only saves people money, but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's clear to them. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer on second thought. Maybe don't garden gnomes to carefully people might talk. Meanwhile, Spurs taking on boom on the south coast spas, a trying to solidify eight top four price it would not work out. Well for them. I offense guys the referee doesn't give anything for challenging John Jefferson Lerma. Why is this important because six minutes later as another little scuffle involving sewn and learn and son has enough. Redcowmn then to sewn Spurs them ten and tries to sell the push coming from behind after he had pushed let down being quite work. God is one hundred percent darn is very very dome from human song three yards away from the referee. What are you going to happen? If you do that. Well, you get yourself there. Now, see later take care shower, and let's say into the second half with some richer Tina because just three minutes of the brain flus. And then decides to do that to read com. Port just come on. You see this challenge on this red cod old along loses control. You're listening. You can put your hand up and apologize on your lake. That's street. Rid nailed it with STAN until the fast minute came and make it one now to free run by. One nothing. See you later him care. Nothing is very familiar result. When it comes to the Spurs at the moment, just taking a look at how things stand regarding the toll four, and they're still in that third place. But obviously Chelsea also and United play tomorrow the funnel game for Spurs. By the way is against Everton. It's been really rubbish run. I buzz. The only games are being one nil. Just one of them in the favor that was against brunt. And I was like Christian Eric's and go your member. It's all falling upon the Spurs the moment very much the wrong end of the season. Still on favorites to finish in the top four destiny is still in their hands as to whether or not they will do it. The problem as looking game against Evison. Could play up front down you absolutely nothing. For granted. On this spruce once again. Trying to shoot themselves in the foot. It seems like just a few weeks ago, we having semi Sears discussion or whether could really challenge type. But no, one of a sudden we have a discussion whether they're gonna finish four and descending off our needless. They will warranted. You have to say not as somebody has something for Spurs and could have been sent off in the first half, in my opinion, the full I think I think they have they have enough to finish hopeful. And you look at Chelsea who could go above them also continued to limp as does I do it. But only just it's ridiculous that we have a discussion about spews kind of engine into the toll full this season, given whole good. They've been making their own problems yet again, the Android akin, very Nuff. But so on an unfair. That's ridiculous. Moreno's a history with Spurs. And I suppose is I don't I don't know what kind of history it is. I essentially tell them that their team at times. Well comes up short. But they will being that though, four K you trust me. Okay. Beginning against Everton. There's a small matter that contradicts I enter an action tomorrow in the Dutch Cup final taking on sway. So big game for them. You take a look at the old regarding on ax and Spurs pools favorites so just from nation. That we go zone to make it through to the final. I suppose we could say good news, bad news without suppose. We'd take good news on his he didn't feature in the first thing bodney, suppose, you one down you're playing away on you've just played a launched chunk of a big match without any nine men with the Lord of the players. They're going to feed in that game on Wednesday. Yeah. Listen, sewn being back is huge booze especially given given the position the that they play with the five that you don't have an awful lot of peace upfront yourselves, and that was to show and I like, but yes, playing for roughly just just forty minutes with nine men is not idea preparation. Again sprees. I've made would hard for themselves, but you go to Saddam where I asked haven't won their previous two rounds. Maybe take some solace for that. But you're asking a lot of yourself yet again in a game and against an opponent that really shouldn't be there's something to be said about confidence. When you feel good about yourself. It doesn't matter. If you're tired, doesn't you don't really feel your anything in like, correct feel good? You're thriving kinda like my Mary thriving. I love you. In any case sane that one can send me. The problem about Spurs though, is that there is no confidence. There is nothing. There's nothing to hang onto and say, you know, what we've done. Well, we feel good about herself. There's something to look forward to there's nothing. They're nothing to hang onto on and said, this is what's going to get us a result. They don't have it does. Unlike alleys marriage. Relegates the championship losing home by three against Crystal Palace confirmed that they are down celebration of Royston who will be in the Premier League next season. Just reminded Chelsea and knighted also old in action tomorrow, please join us shack and trade with us. Into managing neonatal jaw against as a today. Meaning they all four points of Atalanta. They should be fine, of course, three matches to go. Then it is eight zero race for the talk for as it stands as Lancer there. Obviously there in action tomorrow against a lot CO tell Benezzi on the co I spent Walter levers notes going. He's here. Locked to the labyrinth hockey said about shack. Usually usually about. Who's the favorite in your opinion? I think it's Lonzo. And I hope it's allowed for the sake of what they've done this season. They play the best football through the hardest to break down the best home home field advantage. And they've actually learned how to replicate that advantage that they have when they're embedded away. And that's why they're probably gonna finish fourth. I think it should be coach of the year. And what we've seen from me lem what we've seen from lots of these big teams that are tailing off at the end of the season. I generally do think that it won't be a fluke. They deserve to go to the chamber. And let's see if they're actually able for once to keep a team together. The fact that they've sold off their best players every single transfer window summer and winter, and they're able to do this to me one of the top stories really in the top five European leaks. You want after Lanson? Yes. And I think to handle the couch. Oh, what did it used to be? I'm not gonna tell you. Did they use to be the millennium did want to be on this? Same double bluff. No, it's none of the blow. I'm speaking purely objectively what we've seen from Alon under get through. So it is going down this way. Way way way way way way way into not last time, you were here you're told us that you take to over to Tina I didn't say he didn't say that. The question was somebody if meal and finished fourth should them to stay absolutely not going to finish four. They might finish. This. I. Do exactly on those going like this. Yes, they have in hindsight speak. How'd they finish fourth? They bill. Oh, you then take the thing. Finished fourth. They should keep up. They're not going to get team. Okay. They're not getting put the thing. Anyway. Go to. Going to do this. Enroll there's going to be manager change this summer eighty was brought into takeover biscuits and interim coach it was all see and some of the leaders in the team that actually texted Nydia say please come help us until the end of the summer. But I think he always knew that it wasn't gonna last past. Then I think they're going to get one a pretty top manager for their standards this summer and a lot of young players fortunate of the moon. She signings did not work out. Some of them were injured. A lot of them. Just weren't used to city. I came from other smaller leagues like drinking's under and really haven't shown consistently that they can contribute in the in the legal the city other. It's so hard to breakdown defensive so with Mon she gone expect a slightly different rebuild this summer and a new identity going into next season questions as well. Despite the fact hose regarding the title about events and future of them on this Allegra ham to say regarding whether or not they were too negative in the champions, they against acts, criticized. My style of football. But the Jomon the coach is to bring the results home for his club. I XE rob against us who missing plas-, they went to London against Tottenham side. That was missing both styles. Strike as I'm saying I answer team. But they've had some luck to get where they all. I don't want to really analyze that too much because clearly known sins, but. Fainting. Amongst you fans regarding Allegra they want him out. They want him out. They don't feel like he's the kind of manager that goes in line with what you trying to be as a club team that can spend thirty five million euro net on the salary of Christina. Although that is trying to market themselves to be top club worldwide new logo new stadium. So their idea right now, they want to go all in the summer on type quantity. Like, he is the manager that they feel we'll take him to the next level. Which is the chambers. He gets this obsession they've lost twice chamber final with Allegra. He's of the season this summer, excuse me. And I figure it's going to be even isn't it for you to make the two Champions League finals under Allegra. I think it is. But it's almost like they've hit a wall now and not just with the success. Okay. They've won domestically. They've won the trouble and Our Lady, that's all fine and good. But it's all about the chain Ziv when you bring in Christine Rinaldo, and they have been able to go as four into get knocked out by a team that has a fraction of their budget is ridiculous. There's no excuse. That's why we should even nnl. What limits that I thought that was shocking him to come out and say that against the team does so much younger that I'll play them over the two legs. They deserve to go out of the champ. They haven't been playing well all season long. That's why a change is gonna come this summer. Say allegra-d goes who comes in? We're going to go all in on on the Olot itself as saying the core city. That's the question is here isn't he won't money talk people Dan people's making cities during the more people seeing the same thing about persona Rinaldo when the rumors came out. What everyone saying it's gonna make sense everybody because he hears at home. But he thought when that rumor came out that it would actually happen that Renaldo would go to events from realme Madrid. But that was discussion to be had that maybe this was the right ole parties audio do you think will why would you go to a my that's not? That's one hundred percent, correct. Then his shouldn't go for what reason that he shouldn't go for the reason that he has a better team in place right now based on what what basically. You're serious. I'm asking because you as one now eight straight scoop. They don't no, no, no. Don't bring we'll go bring eight straits into this. When you say that that's not good enough to stay around when you compare city with event, it's only the champ is that is a comparison of leagues against each other. So what what makes city a better team than you? You just made an argument against event and the way that they. That they've hit a wall. Right, right. The city hasn't hit a wall. That contradicting yourself say better side when you that you've intas when you say that you went hit a wall. Yes. Okay. They're not. They're not getting better style of place. Not what you went to one. Okay. Why wouldn't leave what he has now built and having place in the city to go on try resuscitate? What you think it's not working? He hasn't left projects before to take on new projects in the Bundesliga, primarily league lovely city us next. He's he knows how to speak Italian. He's been. But I I think it makes perfect sense. And if he could bring yogurt this for your birthday Grinker on your birthday. The city's better for him than you've meant to me is ridiculous. What you've meant. This is spending right now players. They're trying to be the top team worldwide. That's just the fact that they're trying to accomplish in it. This is so. Eventers who've got Ramsey coming into some who wouldn't get anywhere near the city school. Okay. Come came. In know, it's one thing saying that you've is ready to aid. Let's face it. How many players the Mench to city have? They would pretty much. Pretty much to go back into the Ventas perspective, obviously piper. Bill comes amid. Everyone knows that amid 'field reshuffle is needed and okay Aaron Ramsey. Maybe isn't the world class player. I think he's getting overpaid as well not saying, you're Ramsey's the solution. But you think that if that came in who event is are seriously pursuing this summer that he would also have a Saint some of the traits players Willie. Rebuild through the original question. Why did you need because it's another because he's left before leagues in situations where he had a good. He had a good Celona. Maybe it was the end of an era are Sloan. He went to a buyer inside as well. Now, he's gone to ensure city. So why not you vent this as if that's not a step down? But no, no, no not enough. Great. Great. I miss done if you've enders that you won't go to what club what club wouldn't if that we inclined you can make a decent argument as to why he should go and as much as maybe he's been a city, his usual three years, or whatever you want to see I just think his situation much is a city is different than it ever. Would be at Venice as much money city has spent a deposits thing. No, they're trying to Britain been not only the first team, but the infrastructure from the themes and the academies around pep Gordo's direction on his personality. I don't think you would do that just kinda give them the history of their club. So I don't see the Lou from. Goethe to leave what he has to go to Venter's. I don't think money's an issue. I'm sure city are prepared to match whatever you've prepared to offer him both both in salary and transfer budget. I understand the argument for me. It just doesn't make sense that if I'm going to leave right now, just remind plenty of Italian action full you over the next two hours. He's gone. I'm not saying we'll be on the for CO against. On Monday routine from bologna their away. Seem allow. Take to once again champions of Scotland Nazif they'd be Amandine today. And indeed they would five minutes before the break loose steak would make it one of the businesses that good ball from the left hand side. He does well and insane outside time in the runway and good finish on your post. Eight minutes into the second half of it should make it to a really good head about similar deep corner. House to meet this some applaud flee twelve years old and then in the ninety eight three now go. Goalkeeper bother diving so foot to them because it went through friends Langlois is that what else what happened? So they went out with a celebration. Full paper shoots. Three. Aged? I wrote a short tissue could be an I'm precedent treble treble. I Celtic looking to make it three travels in a row they will do. So if the hogs in the Scottish Cup final at the end of the month. The precise play of the match. He's brought to you by Joe let the best man can get. Bush security. Shake. Read these. It will go to the final day league for that still daydream. I like that. He's very good. I think he's got my attention. Now. He's. Play by play when we used to. It's what a woman's or what? Moments. Those were they were movements. Show back in the day. Good so much. Bye. Extratime who sold the show, we won't be mentioning audio. Let's eventers. I know Jonathan a lovely. Oh, I'm sure. You have to run on you. Absolutely. Not a moment. Does that not here next weekend? He won't be hidden. Hey. Hey. Well, you can't stay out of what's been going on timely mentions. What we out the moment. Everyone turns it would you? Why why why what did you do? I just sitting here. Enjoy myself today off noon with friends shocker is rights, not gonna wanna World Cup Brown Valdano on Buddha Chagas for Chagas scored in the final messy. Didn't win the World Cup. Because iguana didn't school the easy ones. So messy calm the best ever Jake. Saw quite understand. So going scored he would've won the World Cup. Messi scored he would have wanted couple as well. Yes. So the other day can we stop pretending the World Cup is the highest Landau level guy. That's the barometer for the goats. The Champions League is by follow highest level messy is the goats about doesn't do response. I agree with you. We we got one move messy has the most number of cysts in a World Cup. I even knew that. Going messy the trophy. He took is useless team to four different fine. What's your statement? Let's start off with a K. Champions League is a high it sounded the move. Yes. Pretty hands right there. If that's where you started. I remember when the quality was higher at Champions League level than World Cup. You can agree with that new. I'm the workup highest level of football is most prestigious trophy in the game. That's not even as most pressure that players fears everything about the would come from me process. Chime busy. Let's know. Have that argument? I'm no, I agree with your shack. I know football's not higher at the World Cup, but the pressure and I agree with the pressure for stage. Okay. The quality of voice, but then you can make the argument that if the pressure were not what it is. And he didn't mean what it means. And maybe the quality would be hired. Let's see I know what you're trying to. I know where you're trying to get me to. And you're not gonna railroad approach is your point based on that, you think messy didn't do as well as he should have. Because if messy was let's say, let's say from Venezuela country that never made the World Cup. Then you wouldn't it? You couldn't have him. Because it's not his hint. Choose the Nathan. Here's another thing. That really makes me let's stop talking what hypothetical because we know giving anybody hypotheticals we don't break Renou those career in hypotheticals. We don't break down. My donuts Korean hypotheticals, nor do we do at Pelly. Let's not do it for Missy. Something. Sample size sample size based on every game. He's played for Barcelona. Every game he's paid for Argentina. I think there is a point though to say that if he going put it away would we all be seeing it differently because we'd say, okay? Well, he's one of the Champions League won the World Cup. And maybe you'd forget that he didn't snow on fair point. But he also had a one on annoy and they twenty fourteen five which he pulled white. He also had a penalty to win the American twenty seven which he put over the crossbar. There's all kinds of ways we could this don't on the fact that matches. I'm this. I understand there's going to be split up on this. Because what we're talking about as the best individual in. What is a team game? So you have a mixed message. I know I believe that team comes food and team performance and success trumps everything else. No. You might think that it's home any players messy dribbles. You might think. It's how many how many? Individuals movements. I think it comes down to what the team does on your contribution in that team success. And if the team doesn't have success, I'm not sure how we measure your contribution. And that's angry about it. I know. Just in general just on twin that you don't know what's happening on joy, embrace it. I don't know. What's happening really in play? If he's the greatest ever Ono juggled, Jillian Pearson's thief of joy messy Rinaldo who cares? Pele? Listen. I I was I didn't see it wasn't even live Puffer another thirty years to either such players. I don't care. They're such different players who cares about comparisons. Each burly in their own different ways. You mentioned about everything in my in my lifetime that I've watched. I think message the best ever. I can't sit here and say that I watch Maradona when I was my age now that I would understand. So I can't say in my lifetime. I think. I'll say this to your point about comparisons. It feels like it's become more important that no for some reason. I shouldn't even I grew up just accepted that pillar was agreed to sever no question. Then my Donna came along. And it only became a thing. Because my donor how some issues with Pelly. He would have a whole lot to see any presser bolted, then there was Brasilia Renaldo, and nobody really cared and discussed it, and you know, you just kind of like him and moved on no of become a debate topic weekly. It seems and doing this done vitriol behind to be on this before. No, nobody kid. She move on. Thank you very much. Hey, did you see what he was trying to do it again? Hi down on. Yeah. Opinion, shaq. Just the World Cup is hey, let's start. Hey, well, the semi final big, no one. That's that mean, it's the final of the Champions League. And it's the last episode of the game of thrones on which one do you watch of wash? My first episode of a through which was done. We got into Trump with spoilers recently. People are I don't know if I have no idea, it was just the dragon hand, blue dragons, blue file. Yeah. I haven't seen spoiler loot. My wife is very excited by it says, my what? Yeah. You don't like him. Thrones. No, that's that's almost strange to be at this point DVR game of thrones. And you watch it changes the final simple as that. You have both of them best night. No one on the other. You've never seen one only on now isn't that much? Shapes. They find obviously if me Len's Premier League teams playing each game of thrones bring it. Is actually if there are no talented team plans, he won't watch. Well, there might be. No, right. Why are you looking at me? I have no relations with Premier Li you know, that right? There's more chance of Syria team being game of thrones done. In fact. In fact. Right. I'm so glad. Sabina? Yeah. Cools the with the way in which you went down when the free cake, and we live up school the winner. I would you stamp out Don leaving once and for all downright cheating. Ends up winning you games. Vaa wouldn't have helped soon a part of the game. Good VAR better. Vox. Dot bomb. Yeah. Then you have a selfish every five seconds. It's always been a part of the game has players made their own diving Zygi, if you others, I mean, I don't know what you looking at me. Louis more likely to stay inter county selection. That's tough one. I think this is a fifty fifty he kind of to me is definitely out the summer song see spotlight, but I think they're both gonna leave this summer. Have. Okay. Who is Milan too high for the coach this summer? Well. What are you should ask? If they're not going to be in the top four looks like they actually might be out of the top six and on Europe whatsoever. So what they have to do though is not hire former players as managers say or Inzaghi, it's all failed so far giving the way off. Incredible. Yeah. They've had a lot of managers not one clear identity. They need to get into stabbed manager. Not all these newcomers, which is basically all they've had since come on. Of on multi left a team. It's just been a revolving door of different managers that just have not been up to the up to the task give me a name. The. Four. I wouldn't take them if they finish. Have to get video that clip. So we. He wanted to we can stop. No, I didn't. Next question. Was that funny one what's the west? Whether you have played in. Ooh. Snow? This is being called it snowed. That's not good. Did you did you wear pants? Yes. A lot of a lot of hands on shoots as well. As double glove. Kind of weird feeling. Feeling player. Nice storm ones that was in a whole lot of fun. That wasn't great. And because I play with back to goal and the wind was blowing in my direction than I had a sensually snuck through frozen. Do you fall over as well? Yeah. That didn't help I say that game. How did this out to the counter? Yeah. That that that? Yeah. That hurts the Mexico. I was gonna be. Yeah. Exactly. You to every boy long launch electric field. Brigade begins mush. So you take take joy in these. The fact you well. You're saying if it's tough for you. No, I said it was fun. It was the worst weather not most fun when we were just having a conversation among friends, I can relate to them one time playing for nineteen AC left it on cold confu my hand, sell to probably all been there all been there. ESPN AFC returns lovely time in Rome. Oh, yeah. I appreciate it. Come back tomorrow who's gonna come back. Oh. Back tomorrow. Most of soccer all messy. Guaranteed. Ben Sira killed.

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Premier League Preview - Matchday 22 | Tottenham v Liverpool | Weekend Tipping | Football Postcast

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Premier League Preview - Matchday 22 | Tottenham v Liverpool | Weekend Tipping | Football Postcast

"Here at Paddy power where the home of the money back special with some incredible offers every single week. Check out the website or APP today. Hey terms and conditions apply eighteen plus begun dot org. Hello thanks for joining us for the racing post weekend postcards. The team this week is me. Bruce Burlington Johnson along with Mark Langdon and lymph lymph from the Racing Post football desk and Patty Powell's Jonathan Smith. The Premier League returns after cut way came. We've got all the live games James and in the rest of the three pim subtly games look at best bets from further down the leagues and right across Europe. The naps which hopefully Jonathan will be kind enough off to enhance and we will have a little chat before we get going with the weekend stuff and this week boys. I WANNA talk about the sack race. Because it doesn't seem to be any any manager under pro. Well there's kind of under pressure but no one's smeared over the back pages as being hanging onto their job by their fingertips. So I'm going to read Patty powers as late as sacrifice prices and then I want to know way you think value lies okay. Three to one thousand Smith is favourite. Hundred Thirty Socio forts it's one eighty. How and then it's ten Farka? Ten Fourteen hasenhuttl tends to one. Nobody gets that we go right through from Natto may without another dismissal. Missile and it's twenty five to one bar mark of Kota. There's no script warning. This is coming so when might the value be. I mean. It's a long time for the no manager to to to go but it does fill out like woo shore actually because I mean I I was hoping Dean Smith would be A bigger pricing. He's probably the one The United States if either a or even if he gets April Tom and they feel like Oh yeah we need some of the doors here. They might be this one thing. I don't see northridge so panic. And even if they go down Daniel Fox still done a good job of excuses to get rid of the policy. You know seems to be an opinion that he he's a good coach. Shouldn't Darshan on seeing so leaving. Burnley Eddie our I think he's a show honor the home of the issues this season. Very much irrigation about. But it's absolute darling of Dorsey. And if he was you know if they went down I mean a robbery else. Would they run into them back up. So yeah I suppose is the the nobody this would be a running again. We've mentioned united had the opportunities to get rid of SOCIA- before in heaven so Him Well I don't see why they thought necessary now. That might be one for the summer. And there's no one further down the list. See if they went on a bad run sucked in. Don't I don't know really I mean 'cause you know I mean it difficult receipts of WHO. WHO WOULD I mean? What sort of a sci-fi been for refusal radio? I don't see them as just a new contractor. Brian Lamb Pazos decipher Chelsea. I mean he's been view noises off the Watkins to them But he's not really the short term problem Neri's he saw Bruce UNSEE MONICA. She getting rid of royal gems. Not GonNa Lake Crystal Policy of the season not appear to be too many obvious candidates to me so I from prison five Orange Avenue Um to nobody and then expect the heartbreaking pointless when when it seems already down but just they need so Liam some questions here. Here's your free mythical. Five of who you haven't. I'd probably lean towards social. Just think of his name that you kind of mentioned that was top. He's the one who's been in and around around that market for quite some time now And oversee the League Cup defeat to Manchester City very poor in that really poor display against wolves in the FA Cup as well I think only take some sort of a couple of competitions. Looks like they're gonNA be on the way out of the League Cup And then offset pressure intensifies on having to get Champions League place. I don't think I will think stronger teams in the division who can get into the full of Leicester for example and I'll think possibly want to spend Chelsea and cover their Daniel Falker. Couldn't see God anywhere. I think The property expectation wasn't knowledge. They'd be battling relegation this season. And if you'd go down then you'd expect t that's try and get them back up Dean Smith Villa Villa would be fairly loyal to him as well for similar reasons And Yeah just beyond that list of Congress I think it says well it is a long time for Nobody to be sacked between now the end of the season a lot can can happen in that time and just really Manchester United's general performances haven't been particularly good. You could get up wait until the summer to get rid of social it was purchased strategy. What's he doing mark because he's sitting there doing nothing? Nice restaurant waiting for Manu to lose patience EGO. So says he's ready. See for a new challenge. I mean I think he demands to take the job now. whites over the summer and see what else becomes available because it looks almost took power. Sandra Mangku thank you begin to bar. Munich's PS g becomes available and he's got linked to that club. There's been taught Laguardia Lamar God's parts which opens up Manchester City. And they're kind of have their original plan may be fortezza takeover unlikely to happen now. Supposing you could still leave awesome quickly necessarily see. That's being what would happen. So I mean I mean portraits. If he's got any sense he waits until the summer. UW choice of free. Four all Jesse Ninety than while. You're not it's tempting. Wanting offer our con- imagine win trophies. Perry Sandra Monica get that monkey off his back nursing quickly. Quite Johnny. This this market must be better pain in the ass to manage and if you guys because you know you look at every single news story that breaks in every single room or I mean what. What was the task like? Because it's is in funny positions market right now. Isn't going very quiet. Yeah it's gone very quiet. The minute he picked up on the chew tonight. Football all Shall we saw a lot of money for him to leave. It does take a lot of money In terms of live games are only particular. And we can say Jason we say so. Good mony across. The book rarely It's very marketable chew. It's quiet and yeah I think number not from your mind your Soleil. You have been every everyone of the moment looks fairly settled and adopted many more movement and it might just be a last-ditch. It's I'm essentially of clubs to try. Brian Change in management tools. The back end of the season to try and stay in the League likes the Norwich in Villa both fantasy thing then essentially yeah. I'm certainly won't be back in Smithfield. Three one Aston Villa. But they'll all be some form of movement movement. Maybe an apple team saw panic. A little bit Is generally dudes back into the season in all get results book for the moment if Outta Mexico difficult five or at the blue would say. Okay thank you. We've had a question. Let me get it. Up On is from K.. Dumped faith okay. Thank you Kafe your question to questions that should mim. I'll ask the first one to you johnny. They ever to man. The Liverpool trading was fascinating on that if I cut game and miss them for ask. What's the price move versus livable? Bracket six is when the draw was made to almost evens the off the biggest in memory. Yeah it was a big move at. Its obviously when the draw was made back in December stolen to sell the and don't confess him was in and around the same at that point the complete now fall and I think expert Cook Wise. It's massively link to tame us You know a little pole bessinger Kaput Melissa second-string team when I'll try and win the match 'em is a fairly big swing more in terms of percentiles. You know it saw the fall into a fifty eighty percent chance of winning the game from generally some price move wise with assault. You don't suitable into just as big. A price went went in terms of percentages for sixty six. So yes so. Yeah basically. I interested Did you win Percent said on that one so I've been Internet leads over. Christmas sodden. Not Not aware of it. Okay I it was one of the. FA Cup was in there in the first when McAfee that's our team and Khan remember the nonleague saying that they played. Yeah Kingston where you know. I mean that that was probably a bigger move and there was one in the Scottish Cup as well in the last round of that that significantly is not it tends to Happening Cup Gang Eh rarefied okay. The second part of dumfries questions. Why do into Milan keep of gone on? Keep going off such generous prices. I didn't didn't did so. You notice that. Yeah this is I mean if you compare it to say they're sort of Jocelyn Ford in terms of you've got a suspect just down to the facts really the they've got quite smooth scored maybe and they they all running on the same eleven players verge. Certainly that's hot cocoa a Martinez. But yeah I mean they tend to go off homes of a mid ranking lowered around about two to five and then you end to oversee much sure the now it may just be down to two reputation as much as anything else really being. I wouldn't say that they going ridiculously good prices. Well we should actually have a post. Hi Scott Nut. Maybe we'll do it next week where we load of re- of redick questionable readers. No one reads the postcards viewer question. So we'll do that. Let's get onto our first live game of the weekend a Friday night fixture. I like a bit Friday night. Sky Sports at kicks off at eight PM Bremmer Lane Sheffield United who have been so great in the first part of the season against West Ham who largely have but might be a bounce. Get good again. So what's the latest betting here from Patty power we got Sheffield feel united five six twelve to five drop and sixty five western limb. You can go first. What's going to happen here for straight Sheffield United win five to six? I think Yeah first time. I've won the first two games under David Moyes but when you wait a little while to reach him much into that didn't really put up any resistance. I didn't think in the League game and then you have was against Jillian him so I wouldn't get too carried away with the first two wins under David. Moyes Sheffield United States at Tuffelli. Run over the festive period games against Liverpool. I'm I'm anxious to city During during that spell get spanked boy did they know exactly. No I think Chris Waldo is a bit critical of them off to the lift game he he said kind of it got to that point in the season and that was the first time where he was disappointed in the performance. So I think yeah generally had very good half to the season probably contenders autopay finish. Maybe their top seven meters long way to go yet and they don't necessarily have experience with the other teams up there But West time looking at them if managed school just free time they lost six away games And this is going to be hindered by the loss of Ryan Fredericks picked up. A fairly long-term injury could mean public likely means Palo Alto becoming in the back and He's policies bestwood scientists pace at least and We know shepherd united like to attack down the flanks. I I think we'll be something Chris. Well they'll be looking at and I've rule. I just like to look at them to win the okay. Do you like the look of them as well Johnny. Yeah I'M GONNA Agree I think I'M GONNA go Sheffield United Winning on the two and a half. Goals Law scarring back and the generally Alex Desert Sheffield United in overly expensive. They'll be resolute. DOMESTIC OUT BUT WEST DOWN TO AUSTIN and I think yeah in Sheffield take it from me and the got sue number two two games Ozlem on sixty so really about twenty nine points Golden. This is a game that while we'll be talking about on his mind. Christmas is a game that the should be waiting if they're going to stay in the Premier League then you've got to win this one so I'm GonNa go chef denied when them bills the full house for the plates overly. I wouldn't be back in Western but I think the process probably about Roy Bruce Chef regional issues against seems things that may be give them a lot. Respect can be offered. They lost a new car. Saw and Hunts earlier on in the season season. So I'm looking at rush out. It's Shifu onset. Seen Lots of light to avoid defeat Romans gone back them. Zones A win Even though where they are in the premier league are expected to finish anywhere near the astaphan wherever a dip in the second half of the season. My Bet for this game. Ms Zappa laterally mentioned to be bought so roundabout for into five imports. In both appearances. SEC- was taken off against a new car. Also us absolutely destroyed in that guy that was in early November. He's only played twice in booked in both Games Chevron do lights attack down the flanks. There's also so a bit of spice to this game many years ago. But we haven't quite forgiven Western for Carlos affair and then getting relegated than everything everything that when on around the this'll be a lively game and offerings Appalachia. Bacardi looks to be the best bet when Zabaleta finally got the yellow against the other way I mean normally gets fouled. He goes absolutely apoplectic. Doesn't he wants to take his lawyers involved and everything. These smiled as Apple Aaron subway. Hey we'll take a break and we'll do Polish next Marino. I know single about being special English manor sort of the three times special winning bottom power game not special understood. Josie guess someone wins an average average forty thousand pound Jackpot every single day. So if you win term think you'll special daily jackpots. BIPARTI power games checkpoints must be what about eleven pm and vary from day to day jeopardy shared with other operators available on selected games dot com plus to be able to okay. Let's look at these Saturday. Pre Game Start with the TV game. At twelve thirty Sylla's yes PA some bt Sport Palace Arsenal Jonathan gives the prices. And then tell us what's going to happen is at three to eleven to father. Draw falsify the five. I'm going away and among anytime even volcanoes policies injury-hit squad worrying You know the goal about eight nine plays out with a moment on obviously Malovic suspended so often. It'll gonNA look in a little bit. The minute that WHO suspended Malevich your three syllable short anyway. We young gone and then yeah arsenal even though against translates to a very I I've I. That's a shelter him that you need to keep on top of his team and not letting the fall guy so often asked will win this one. Fortunately for probably funds and yeah. I'm going to go away win anytime you must love that first half on Mondays leads brilliantly. Yeah it was super and again just a different class and the trust in that same fault were absolutely outstanding. Just shows that would locking out goal scorer from out. What's bringing strike Caribbean January wealth? The way back in the promised land in Mr Good though leads were on that money that first forty five minutes was like a complication. The worst of our snow wasn't it was APP so it was borderline laughable at times and as Johnny made the point there it reminded audits. He needs to get this latins downslope them because otherwise they'll go back to bad also very easily will but I mean they they sort out enough for half time and that was quite impressive. Actually that the second half was a lot better so then the first half and they problem solving Miao Tong I managed to work. Maybe leads go bit tired as well. They did play a a false parties and only would pro refinishing ten in the family worship leader favorites to beach. If okay coming out of that Warr also GONNA win. Despite the terrible away record only two wins. I mean policies injury problems. They just horrendous at the moment. You know we've Van On hold and slope and revolt as well as free people. You can play left by one of them might come up and one of them will but I mean sacco. He's obviously out stands out. I mean this is the same really relied a lot on defensive organization and that kind of defensive still because in terms of shots dead so bottom them so often the joint of shorts and Short Psalms August. So it's been all about their defensive quality and Hodgson being able to organize saying what defenders midfielders. He's going to do that enough. I expect to win. You know what I know. We do avalon injuries. But I was looking at Benthic a loser. He might be back. If that's the case the natural starts in eleven GAZZARA and go as long as we can get one of the left bags out you'd have caitlyn Tompkins UN's Kelley looks to me like it would struggle against us and really organs like does that by Miana Tompkins about as good as the midfield three away. And then you've got the offense okay. So the actual eleven might not be too bad. The bench will be one of the week is in Premier League history. I'm clutching at straws. I think the uh-huh I don't think there's been enough. I would expect them to be this price. Roughly even if pilots were everybody available and I just I just don't think that I am recent reason performances of not being very good as well fair enough also to win and now the Guna gone. I was GONNA go team score and I have a two and a half goals. I still you take me a little convincing to back away from high of thing we saw On Monday two. So is this awesome team in the first half just defensively shambolic in in the second half I kept the ball very well and create lots of jobs so still very much a top heavy side. I mean that's not going to change for a few seasons in my eyes I don't think there's going to be goals in this game and palaces mentioned about some at the defensive absences potentially if the Palestinians into that by teams scored in four of policies last five league games only one point separates these teams in the league. Which again makes me reluctant? They're not just think in terms of level wouldn't be wanting to go for us no in this one and the corresponding fixture last season. I finished two two as well. So yeah both teams score and I have a two and a half goals. Let's spin spins through the five three. PM game start with Chelsea Burnley. Jonathan what's the latest betsy on this one Chelsea far ninety two the draw a nine to one burn like what what hope Burnley lying. I mean Joseph obviously suffered some surprise defeats this season and some some disappointing results are. WE'RE GONNA go for Draw Hall of time. Chelsea photon which tops against Newcastle and policy actually shows if not been ahead of the brakes at Stamford Bridge since August. Defers and that was a game. They didn't win against Sheffield United when they were two new up. But I expect so a Burnley to Burnley do and Chelsea eventually brighten down Okay Limb Chelsea to win both teams to score thing the luxury Franklin pods built. The season is such a big score. Does he can rotate for these competitions. I think a lot of key players should be quite well rested for this. This one only performed better away from on high. This season If you look at recent games denied the weight and Brian by that so stunning overhead Overhead kick But I'm I'm not not too keen on Bernie away from hunting one to that ten away matches but I failed to score in any free of those games. So think Chelsea score and Bundy's scoresheet on Johnny I'm going to go off. Ball Chelsea minus willingness one watch versus Dustin Villa in Berlin Wall fell in the first half against Aston Villa to all of the show and It's worrying that they're gonna Miss Ashley. Bouncer groin injury and potentially Chris with a hamstring injury. From the going forward probably isn't going to be great relying on Vitriol Rodriguez to lead the lineup from so awarded for Burnley. Rarely hear some golf with Chelsea minus. Well Okay just explain on on that one modest means Joseph to NBA two goals or more for that to cup. Everton v Brian and his next. Jonathan gives the prices and I have five to six six thirty five the draw three to Brian value here. Liam Flynn Guy brought android double John's shade of odds-on really bright and played this season. We've lost the trust Automo- apocalypse now talking impetus about them I just think that that's reflective of that. Knowing from the League in terms of expect to go school this season being very mediocre. Start for the the Lucky to lose only two one to Manchester City how we all know of say absolutely not close by preserve reserves in the FA Cup game despite fielding strong side. Say Yeah with the White. Brian applying the confidence often so they've showed against some of the biggest sides. Look for price to get at least a point. Josie you're going to take Evanston on here as well. Yeah I'm going to go to the draw. Yeah there's rarely between the teams in Brighton. Look back on the on the travels and quite in very good going forward. We'll call defense some issues forever and to made of look steady on around shallow Esau Madrid shows or think going forward another rail Covet Luisa graff. Right pliable he's not going to be at twenty goals as an impact player from the moment. So I think it's going to be a stalemate McGaw Federal March thing good times lie ahead for Everton on drench Lachey overlay Never been these biggest fan. I mean apart from the Free Champions League well since he doesn't have tons of if you have a look at some of these actual league records no particularly great given the manager. I mean he managed to lose. It's all repairs on. Japan's Montpellier but ongoing for broad double CIANCI's often homered volunteer. You'RE NOT GONNA be up too much you. They haven't some fans some of the storm the training ground earlier on this week and brought in a fifth in the League for possession so if they start knocking around the back and even go chasing it or they The crowd get frustration. Gets very quiet off is just very angry. At the moment I mean Doug folks and apartment light into the play off of that Liverpool game. They had to go back to sleeping. Donate meet them. I mean it doesn't bode won an awful Angelo He's toxic so wrong in that. Second off I mean he's substitutions Costa the game I felt for for livable to gain control when he took off midfielders brew a more forwards This is a horrible gaming for Evanston. It's one they expect to win appeals that went to Anfield but it doesn't mean that they will okay lester next up against Southampton Johnny gives the betting and your verdict last default. It's a seven eleven to fall the draw nine though Southampton and I'm going to Southampton Double Chauncey Southampton or draw. I think lasted looked out of ideas. Eventually a a little bit flat against Aston Villa last night Going forward. Did you seem to not move the ball as well as an anomaly and I've been Southampton potentially represent a little bit of volume tallies Madonna eatings from be scoring goals for phone from this season and Yeah Southampton potentially lively absolutely Back in Ninety Mark Big Fan of Southampton. Do you think Lester could be about to hit a bit of a lull. I wouldn't say a bounce wrong. I think they've played pretty much the same level for most of the results. No they were exactly what should be surprised by that because they were over performing a lot in terms of expecting goals. Of course I won the reverse Fiction Oi new and I think that actually AH count against me. 'cause it was towing win less supplies we get into bowl out in the back of the net drunk boosts goal difference and I. I'm expecting Southampton's problem oversee much stronger faulk but I agree I'm GonNa go for cellphones. Drawer doubled johns. They've only conceded phone goals in their eleven primarily game since that no new so that time Roy off their taken taken some some big scalps along the way in recent weeks has got I seen. And he's Lost Sixteen Games well unless there at that difficult League Cup saw by mid week and indeed. He's injured as well and I think that's a big loss. Yeah Una if don't get as good form here on nine. No because Palestine Liverpool nine million nine hundred ninety nine and then six months lights for three and a half a cup semi funnel so that will give inspiration sustained some short limb which you say is the best value here unless the wind but uh not quite as comprehensive as the reverse fixture listed to win and under free and a half goes about seventy-five thing of sea is mild touched on this in San south of improved quite steadily risen up to twelve in the standings kept clean sheets in infre- lost four games against Chelsea Tottenham and Huddersfield a really tight end up with a background. Hasn't who as job looks more secure. Now Leicester have wlob slow. Just wants that The king power in the league this season still think they'll have too much of the Jamie Volley fresh back in the side. I think he can He'll be the difference in this one. Okay Man United United Received Norwich and Annex Game Menu. Going to be sure Johnny Monday night did three to ten. Also the draw. Fifteen to to nottage head-scratching amount of free bets in this game. All around the same thing when that's for Norwich to school I as I've done in seven of their last nine matches of Amanullah is lost. Clean Sheet was on the fourteenth of September home in the Premier League. So yeah this Nor'easter School. I mentioned. Yes you know. It's it's a wind from behind and the North Ridge. Manchester United Hearts on Photon double result. Seventy two win from twenty five to one on the flip on the Hudson Foods. Love that yeah found that for a while. Supporting the involve back in the forbidden. Yeah I mean Ming Oversee You know every time until he gets absolutely slaughtered. I mean shorts Me As simple as that but Yeah I mean I expect noise decor A few problems but they clearly issues for Norwegian that they call it. Hold on these leads they keep thinking. Did you write that piece by Daniel Taylor and Defense Phil Jones. In the way I didn't Ping is going to convince me though as he didn't go slightly different angle but drawer at halftime time. Six to four united dot poor display against what was another poor display against Manchester City free new down after thirty eight minutes in that game could take time to get started. What's in this one against Norwich given the recent fixture pile-up in the lack of depth? They've gone the final third. An orange being winning or drawing fourteen of Premier League matches at half time. But I've gone onto onto ninety free over twenty one games this season. is in the second period that I tend to saw flop and I think possibly a hold of it resilience until halftime and in our expanding spend. I mean on since go on to win the draw off time. Okay and joanie minute shoot fancy. I'm GonNa win and buffing Scott if not actual Scott this will not be. He's been brilliant essays and Monday night defensive world's continuing off Bill Jones Took it will well off the best said An on fought brandon. Williams was super bowl by and I think he looks very good. Probably going forward for Monday night and yet look GonNa Miss. Tom naboth wouldn't both Cisco when you say looks good plight going food. Jimmy looks good play when they go forward using modern day office parlance there. Uh Home Ballroom. You followed the defense. Looks quite good. Thanks to clean the outlets wolves versus Newcastle next. How do the Patio Bell? and this one johnny walls two to five hundred the drawl seventy Newcastle. It's fair enough limb. Yeah I think so I for for this one I'll be gone for wolves to win and under free and a half goals. They've made themselves tough to be Mulinuu. This season lost twenty two of that ten home games And Yeah just having you look at Newcastle have been struggling talking with injuries. Steve Bruce has had a handful of players returned to train in this week but his possibility is gonNA come too soon for them still without markelle shelby and Shah leaves him. I'm an honorable the back then all the best going forward. We know that don't have the puzzle off right in the final minute. Joni nine goals on the road and I think that lack of firepower could cause Can ways their lack of firepower. Santo Man's any problems so Jones and where is the value in this one. I'm going to go for WOLVES MINUS WALL. I think moles will be far too strong after Newcastle Newcastle. Defensively go all injuries across the back line. Bit Mix shift ahead permanent place on her various. It makes jeff that the buck I'm for me is An interesting stop. This will not look Liz rain across the Bay Card Newcastle. In Twenty Six appearances this season season trae aura. In Twenty Six appearances twenty four plans are being out of our against him. It's quite remarkable rarely so gene craft require on Alexa for new customers by certain. Look either I'm due to be guarded. That's an amazing stat. Well played. We won't get it best that the now who show by talking to the players read read one by one. They just took him out. You've owned the wolves company whose you know traditionally this is the type of game where you get it nervous about Buckingham and I think they deserve to be that process. I'm not a novel way. Maybe could be if you read in the game at Newcastle all kinds of defend date and they do awful nervous to school. I might have some legs I because Roy winds fouls around the box and you never see deadly on the set-pieces action. Someday them to show. It's on the Georgia and Jimenez at more for wolves this season in terms of average Sorry I read in the game. Is that new console Campau L. on the edge of their area and allow Nevis to keep on having digs and hopefully one of them go lovely stuff loads more to come back in a moment. Everything is better when when it's bigger party. Power same game multi allows you to combine a number of selections from a single match into one big bet. Check out the same game multi tab and get building you bet terms and conditions apply eight plus dot org welcome back. It's the race in post way. Came Foot will postcards with Bruce Means Mark Langdon limb. Flynn and Patty Post Jonathan Smith. Let's look ahead to the game and the weekend five thirty at the. What's it called the Tottenham? Hotspur stayed in trying to sell it. So yeah I was taking its crackle and about and I'm going to call it while leaving the law money for anything less spurs versus live. Kicks off five thirty. You can watch it live on sky. Sports should be a cracker and theoretically one of the big tests as Liverpool attempt to matured through the season unbeaten. What price are they lose that status in this game johnny? Spare that seventy frito on the draw on the and more you can go first. What your fancy Alfred for Liverpool Fair enough? You know you have a look at the fact that one twenty eight twenty nine Primarily Games talking of only kept two clean sheets in the premier the season of course stock load of injuries with Louise. C Soco Dining Rose Ben Davis hurricane and on delays. Not being fair I mean. That's that's hard if you're playing against two. Midday would say never mind Liverpool absolutely flying along. So what liberals did Lester recently. I don't think the legs handle them by Munich and Chelsea of battling really at the new stadium season. I don't really see any reason why. Ob be different this time around What you give them marina of ten so far seven I mean he has managed to of twelve points often as he's mentioned engine wants all switch would swell wave Harry Redknapp two points for my gangs away by twelve points in insult four? Now they're thinking about moving five. Okay something like that so I mean they. Have you know half the deficit. I think he's done and it's not really about the manager anyway. I mean the the problems run deep for the the the teams a just a just lost its way And since that Champions League final defeat it was a pretty close game Liverpool of oversea kicked on and talking going backwards backwoods. Difficult things places to where they all in the current premier league pecking order because they play is why he'd still say around. That's helpful but performance is a much worse than that and so in the twenty nine league type which is an thing but he's still quite interesting that the alone wife Talk Forum. Yeah offering offering they were. I mean there's been some depending on when you start it's how you can find them in the zone of various times so yeah he's been difficult difficult so at twelve months for them really apart from that Champions League and live report just absolutely brilliant and the monument so very difficult to see them. Stop Them Really Geno Gene Award Liam mentioned twenty wins in twenty nine times. I mean that's that's just ridiculous. Isn't it probably not getting the price. They deserve widdly because everyone's it's just assuming they're going to win it this year. They win every time. But it's it's outrageous what they do and isn't it is obsolete sensational. It really is. I mean the Lisette. Just being unstoppable. And they don't look like they're going to have any chance Johnson slowing down that said. I am still a little bit reluctant to go for them in this game. WE'RE GONNA go over one and a half first half goals that it sounds simplistic but Always wary area of backing the team. When I've put together this incredible run and I live oppose a bit different of six wins on spin or whatever But I just feel against us. Tops top seven opposition spasm buzzer. She's still cost him as this is. I think if you're going to lose again this season it's this next few games where it could happen. In my opinion of Siglo sits you want as well later in the season. I just wouldn't really be that comfortable Beckenham zone still And so that reason I'm just saying goes probably a safer option. You look at Game Season Livable's games featuring average of free point one. Four five goals Tottenham three point one four only city or above the two of them. Live a postcode. Twenty seven first half goals found in the first period in each of their last seven games. They start very quickly clean. And I think you can either click through. We'll see a rampant Liverpool star if they're free new in half an hour all I've talked enough God early and then kind of fall asleep so I just think is at a different angle but potentially good one. I have a one and a half first half goals. Johnny use any threat to Liverpool's rampaged title hair. Unfortunately not GONNA win. This won't happen too. Much for Spurs Resignation in your voice their your salad desolate there It just takes one of those. I just think of Apollo got the League Wool Knicks. You know the seems to be regained the going into it in a minute. You know. Eight thirteen Taylor Tottenham. They're gonNA probably win the match. So I've outfitted the poll of Pop those strong and yeah but Liverpool's injury list is mounted. Police will be the minute. saw will be wary of that little busy shed. Julie jump is like football coming up. And you know flag lockdown. I don't remember anyone. Being engine that matters Milner Shakira Kaizer Dania. Dania so the plays that he will normally so you know could start to creep up on him. But I do go to al-Qaeda to live games on Sunday on the first one is going to be pretty nervous because so teams down the wrong into the table. One in free for one beginning their climb out is boomer versus. What for two PM on on sky? Sports was the latest betting Johnny. And we've got six dominant. twenty-three tend to draw on seventeenth well now Lee and this is a tester. Isn't it absolutely Oh I'd actually saw. What in this one being impressed the recent so turn around Joe Pace and interestingly eight of the seventeen goals? They've scored in the league. This season of coming pace and I six league games in charges. A fair proportion and just a short space of time. I think he's introduced. The Mama. A sense of more attacking impetus. I mean. He's helped as well. By the return of Choi. Dana lost couple elements of the season without him Plying up top and I think Choi Dini's returns aside has helped him in his May Lazar and zero de la to be terrific on either flanks. I think as you say this is so prime time to play for the moment in a free fall. They've been frustrated by injuries. All season in fairness to them Drowns tens of relegate after four league games are win. I think is a good time for to play them and Audit side with them. It's good news for anyhow in psalms the injury list Johnny Yeah it is a few knocks. NIGGLES Ramya missing king and a few of his key players rarely minute. So I'M GONNA have to go away Wayne unfortunately full bomb funds and I think what rejuvenate best and rarely And it will be hard to bait and Yeah go for a walk between in Dana Anytime you banning in the goals and he's getting back into some form of fall so yeah I'm going to go off Barra. What is it? I'M GONNA go wofford win to triple At the minute Choi Day Nemo Marcus for one. Show audie into the GNARLY veteran stage but now he's his name. Yes yes he's definitely improved. What things come back enough to win this game? Ah Probably Age towards the draw. Better Corky Star about this game um D- assault on the primarily website that nine meetings between the two suit seven of them have been draws which makes it the most frequent drawn fixture and so as a percentage of things played each other more than twice in any kind of regular fixture. This is the most likely to finish in a draw. Boom of for I bet there is something made me nervous about boom of in the last eight of their last eleven games. The free gangs didn't lose were wins against choice manage drawer against arsenal. So I mean they all they are funny old team out such important plan for them at the back going and nobody even mentions brooks injuries. Well I'll just about site implants implant. I think that people will go anyhow. Think some of it's unfair. They all dealing with a majoring recross. At among novel went on for out now mentioned him a few times on the postcards in recent weeks they did score games wars but the corey still route sixteen so wants to score I and he's playing a in that four to free one of these playing Athenee the moment so he would be runner. Just say colleague. Sam Jones has done a feature for the for the racing. Post sweet where we're Gonzaga look bomber from WOFFORD's relegation odds in a graph they started off with the signing process to be relegated one when up massively one went down now the loop backgrounds rounds being the same chances of going really is quite quite quirky right now in your head you'd have boom much likely to go down. And what will your bids noise work that way even under Grazia and maybe less. So on the Sanchez floors. What Warren Lucky? They were playing much better than results suggested so wherever Pearson. This changed anything or whether it's a lock in Dean's return odd probably suggested latter really yet. Yeah Moi's month on the same thing fabulous. Keep I tell you what by the way. It's actually going to buy any players. This is not every transfer window is much quieter than Scott. Sports News would have US believe I mean I Abani can be aware I'm put the news. Yesterday was that Sancho wasn't going and then news today is to Erickson's not just you know it's bazaar right then four thirty potential dress rehearsal for the Care About Cup Fund off. The first legs is villa versus man. City was celebrities betting Johnny. That'd be Aston Villa twelve so seven so on the draw on seven Manchester City whereas the value of friends for Must be able to find some here but I'm going to go just to remind to. I've been going to pass them will trust them Ville. There's no no hate them after the roof too the crochet. Some box in the Boston New Year's young the look a little bit lost up from Industrial Miller against last night There's no real older strike strike at forum called Jeb. No spend in that basement. He's going to address. The Aston. Villa in the premier league stays in these massive conservative. But I'm I just figured on city where the move all going to go city minus two and a Guajardo anytime okay and forget Man City would need to win by three for that bets click mark. What's your view this just a couple of correct scored stabs on an easy city? Way northbound free now on free one in case they doze off defensively saw against Manchester onset even when they they dominated And they were brilliant in that first half with that struck of this formation and the Broin Bernardo so applying up front and and they've been working on these fifteen minutes on I call believe that I just think that as much as anything anything off village probably left the law so of out there at the king power on Wednesday night as well. I mean a lot for for war. We're not getting anything against men city that's have a real go in the semi-final annoying if it was nausea. Oh maybe they wouldn't have played that. Why so easy? Set You win if you lock your So guero stats. She's got six four against Aston Villa. I E one goals in totally newly promoted club zero cross exit stats sweet limb value in this guy Easy since you infamy as well but it's looking for a bit more value may be draw Man City double results Georgia halftime city to go on to win the game Seems to be a bit of a pattern with these low clubs on an origin very similar to villa in this sense as bill. Fifth in the Premier League's first half table compared to seventeenth in the second half table so clearly an element of fatigue. They're holding onto games Without psychological physical is as being a problem for this campaign in the extreme. Don't tell you actually feel that. Had they held city kneel at the break and then went on to lose free now and I just I think it could be a similar situation at Villa Park. Is Tom around right. What else have you go first? Boys don't give Nazis Let's see what you fence. Stop Eamonn in football league. Got You on the the messy of lead to he's gone from Swindon back to Bradford is ninety two to school first. I against Crawley twenty three goals this season. That's more than double anyone else in the division sewing these. He's putting some message. Shame in these kind of numbers now. Bradford play very difficult folder. Swindon and maybe he's GonNa find. Loan swindlers look around They're probably more like than Bradford but I mean anybody that's got got twins. He free goes in division nine to school. I that was about all I could find that saw the NAPPING and football league in Europe You've as a beat Roma in expected. Goals is not that much in it for events is so of the mental strength that they got over most of Italian rivals and this is rudy wonder why to land so they've won the way INSA DIPA renowned or going up front. I expect them to beat. Beat Roma on the there. Aren't you lost one game. This season events in the league and that was when they were down to ten men against Latvia. Flynn you're wanting the football league year first of all ever Ryan. It's a beat. Genova Verona relegation candidates at the start of the season but I've established SOS midtable position saw lowly spell to new in their last game And you know had some pretty tight contests with Atalanta and Torino. They've got some good players in the squads experienced lies in Patsy and lots of vision veloce and Janata they struggled to on the also also now. DVD Nicola In charge by thing they could struggle to get points on the board in this one and then the other one in the football league of switch to be Akron at once again sewell see suffered a dip in form recently about the state in the promotion picture go to good point anyway. to Wickham. You'll see we know up there. I mean firstly game at twenty twenty and I think the loss to Exeter in the NFL trophy probably Dunham beverly favors. They can focus on getting back into the championship and Yep Stein leave. Seven wins in twenty four league contests awesome off the gods do they played for both clubs. Those desperate opie money your games and give me an option apes which we Atkinson spoul view every was Jackson. blondie there is one johnny. WHO's your fancy I'm going to go off? I'm going to go for King's Lynn exam to be at the United States. You Boston losted kings. Elena have been brilliant essays And have been been very very far in the league and About some financially racial the club. So I'M GONNA go off Kingsway not value that twenty wounded crew potentially away swim the the departure of discussed previously I think the nine to five represents a little bit value. The National League is your. That's one of your domains. He's he's not potty power you responsible for Miceli nonleague stuff. How providing opinions balled up? So you do how how. How than even on an infant fantastic? Let's get the naps is will not be alcohol. I and it will put a smile on Johnny's face. The leads leads double resort at seventy five at home to Sheffield Wednesday Langbo Auchswitz to be rover. Huge game at the top of of Lee Wamba Oxford absolutely flying at the moment in the last sixteen matches. They've won ten of those seven lost a home have one in the league lasting to score the Qasim What we're Coventry on August? I now they have lost James Henry to injury which is a top scorer but Liam Kelly rod from following this weekend Nathan Holand and From from West Ham and so with a lot of people seems finger Holland's a really good platform from western side on. I just look at the game that they lost the news day Oxford was against against doncaster. They lost at one knew they were on. 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The Long-term Legacy of Brexit

Talking Politics

50:57 min | 5 months ago

The Long-term Legacy of Brexit

"Hello my name's david runciman. And this is talking politics today. Helen thompson and i are to diane coyle and an unknown about the long term consequences of brexit for the economy and for politics. Talking politics is brought to you in partnership with the london review of books. If you enjoy listening to talking politics you'll definitely enjoy reading the. That's why they publish a reading list of relevant writing from the archive to accompany every episode on l. o. b. dot co dot uk and also while you talking politics. Listeners are invited to subscribe for just one pound issue for the url. Alabi dot me slash. Talk that's l. o. B. dot me slash. Talk talking politics in partnership with the london review of books. You how night recruited to conversations so this is coming in two parts first diane on the economics and then an and on the politics we've spoken to them both quite often in the past and helen. I discuss some of these questions last week. But this is a chance to really try and take the long view starting with the question about what the trade deal actually means diane just to start with a pretty basic question. Why are you on the idea that This this bright brexit future on the trading arrangement that we have with the eu now is in the prime minister's words relatively friction lewis at laughing with astonishment. Anybody could seriously make. That claim is where i am with that. The the idea that this is friction. This is absurd with talking amongst ourselves now as shops in ireland running out of goods the Increase in the cost of trade with the eu much increased and gonna stay that because for now people exporting to the u from bishnu importing to us from the eu. We'll have a lot of forms to fill out extra checks. Companies are having to pay for licenses to have that good certified for sale. The idea is friction assists totally absurd. And when do you think it will be felt you know that. There's obviously this issue at the moment. That is hard to. I mean maybe easier while disaggregated covid effects from brexit effects. And as you say no not and things may be already being felt in. I talked about the ways in which no not and maybe wet these things most visible mu grossly for the uk. Wendy when and where do you think people will feel the friction. Where in a situation. Now whether it's less going on than usual partly because of the holiday season analogy partly because of covid said people are going to be feeling the friction more more the close if things get back to anything like normal kinds of volumes these permanent changes. And it's not just trade to the eu actually its trade with other countries with which we formerly had a deals through the eu. And those are all either won't by being. The guy staged still have to be negotiated. So there are permanent. Frictions in the more people try to trade in and out of the country. The move are gonna hit the realization. This is what has happened. And it's was permanent being able to explain what's due to brexit. What's due to other things. Going on is a different matter because people are just constraints. They want to carry on running their businesses or importing goods Get used to it. And will be quite hard to disentangle brexit effects from a covert effects anyway but compared to the counterfactual world in which we had not created these frictions ourselves in trade. We all without question going to be wessel and that realization will do with normal people as the big guy. I just think on northern ireland question there is a time issue because A grace period on some of the changes which runs to the end march or the beginning of april and given the problems that are already in cheering under the changes that have thus far the might the prospect of further changes after that grace period finishes is obviously integrate significant more difficulty. There is some resolution of the issues arise in relation to the northern irish protocol. Before that grace periods. I think people had helped. We've got we've got the year brexit vote. We can stop talking about this now. It's going to go on forever. I think because we make the future governments to bring about easy win. Economic benefits will be to decide to align more closely with the eu on on. This'll be it financial services or trade and other services Work permits seven. And so i think the story is going to be never ending. And as long as we have this political context where governments conservative government decides. It needs to do things that any rational person would think was mad but can carry on talking about brexit on these podcasts and reading about it in the papers online at the time i was hoping that this was going to be such luck i mean i think the point where i probably disagree is about financial services whether how much pressure video going to be to move towards more convergence will mess divergence that because this is another issue. That's obviously still under discussion because of Possibly equivalency agreements negotiated over the over the coming months. But i think we can already see the government's intent on cities intent. I think is well with the issue of the trading of swiss. Hsieh's back in london something that they e you stopped inside. The britain was still under the eu's rules and we can see the determination applies in the city The government for britain to go way down the mold She's like that. The less likely that was going to be a set of equivalence agreements between britain financial services. And i think that the structural there which goes back to the beginning of brexit the in the last podcast whereby financial services city does not want to be regulated by. The era of a set of issues is going to be stronger than the desire to hold onto marketshare in some parts of financial services. Tonight actually i disagree with myself but for different reasons on financial services. And that's that it's one part of the economy where if it to shrink. I wouldn't be sure that it was bad for the economy. As a whole if you look back copy state the financial crisis you could make a very plausible argument. Many people did that. It had been subtracting value from the economy adding so if the city shrinks i'm not going to a weep many tastes for it in the way you put. It was the when governments in this perks. brexit world. Look for cheap wins they do it by aligning and yet the language the this government is using if we leave aside the the friction. Let's bet which is a bit of a fiction but the you know where the winds are in that terms. Is divergence no alignment. So there's the question about divergence with financial services but then as a whole wide issue about neville playing field state a leveling up agenda and so on so the way you put it suggested that the political payoff is going to actually have to be moving closer to the but everything that the government says implies. The political payoff is going to be doing things differently. I suppose we're talking about different potential political payoffs and so. That's the one that you were just describing. But that's also what happens when groups of people have this doing allegation that the pulled after much that business because they need to set in license they need to pay twenty thousand pounds to get things approved for sale in the eu. And they didn't have that. I think it's possible to foretell at the moment. Which way that will full for all the slightly awkwardly but how do you see the trade off between the playoffs. If you see what. I mean i mean the on the one. Hand the kind of pressure that you get from people who stop to complain. That wasn't meant to be this and on the other hand trying demonstrate particularly to new conservative voters that britain doing things differently benefits them. I think it's difficult to tell how this is going to play out at the moment partly because of the pandemic partly because i think in certain areas laced them the government hasn't really tiny mighty. Its mind up. Sanford necessary for bad reasons us to what prices willing to pay for divergence because that is in one sense the ongoing choices created by the nature of this trade agreement that choice had to be made over and over again about what price one pays in terms of access being able to do things more in a distinctive kind of way. But i also don't think that this question community be separated from a much bigger picture in regard to the the eu in the world economy generally China question because what we've seen in terms of the way in which the he you is gone with. The china investment agreement on the way in which british policies developed both in foreign policy terms but also increasing the economic policy terms in terms of the china regulation is a big divergence. You can see that in relation to the issues. Dominic robb was talking about yesterday or the day before about taking action against british companies Themselves from slave labor in china the supply chains and that's a very different position than what the has ended up clear difference about the the hong kong issue so i think if we can see that the british economy in some sense it's taking too shocks from where it was back in two thousand fifteen which is two separate from the unto separate from what david cameron enjoy joe's boomer cold Golden of uk china economic relations and moving to something that looks much more like what the us position is being half ought changes on the biden is obviously i question so i think we seeing if you like big picture divergence already between China question and then how about plays out sexual level as the johnson government hostage choices about different sexes in. What price is willing to pay. The divergence is going to be ongoing if you like underneath stop. China is a close ally potential market. So if you're looking for other markets to export to it would have pain. I suppose an obvious one to think about this puts more pressure on getting a deal with the united states and then some other contentious issues that come up like food standards and opening the health market to american companies said. There are a whole load of quite difficult political choices over many come. I don't think there's much possibility on the us side the vibrancy that you say don about agricultural trade. I think what you'll see. Is the government trying to the government trying to focus more and more things now is in indict pacific india on non-chinese pacific countries economies done. Do you think that they're all particular sectors outside of financial services that stand to benefit if only from enhanced government investment under these new conditions. So there's a question about which parts of the world will be focused on this question. About which parts of the uk economy will be focused on that saucer regional questions a leveling question. It's a red wool question. It's an all south by question. But if you think about it in terms of sectors i mean for instance around the possibility of industrial policy. Is that genuine opportunity. Yeah some opportunities. It is unclear to me how willing to government is to lean on the strengths that we have already assigned some cases that straightforward. We know that a world leader in ai. For example you might think about investing more than that. We know that that's already a big commitment to investing in energy technologies such as batteries and perfectly sensible but there are other sectors where both leaders and the government has kind of this government has kind of cultural declared that's higher education and the creative sector. We all already extremely good exporters. In both of those we could do much mu but all the signs. Aw that those areas that the government doesn't want to support for other reasons. i think it shouldn't be underestimated. How committed this government became during the course of two thousand twenty two green energy as in some sense at economic and political remedy. For just about everything. I i think that that's kind of laid out in a piece voice johnson right for the financial times. I think it was back in november where he goes with ten different things just in economic terms that i'm green. Energy was going to deliver on site and well. How does that fit into. The political picture is that it's part of the leveling up agenda quite clearly. It's about making sure that. There's more manufacturing activity and also offshore timothy in terms of wind in the northeast of england and crucially from the point of view of preserving the union in scotland on. It's also the way of joining the political problem of red With the issue of the the city because it will be in his sort of optimistic tycoon. This it will be green finance coming out to the city in green manufacturing going on in the northeastern scotland. I agree and i think it's an unambiguously thing to be doing this. We need green energy. We have advantages that we can build on. We also need though as well as investing in the uk in that to be able to export. Whatever it is that we devised the batteries. The turbines the whatever and so it's linked back to trade deals we need to be able to exploit whatever we innovate into world markets and that will mean negotiating about global standards because these things become global markets when accepts the same standard. Do you think about this lost time. The one of the arguments that sometimes made for brexit is that it's a kind of clarifying event and some of the things that either obscured what was really going on or became convenient excuses politicians or people in business opportunities to blame europe or whatever it is being taken away and said that innocent says something a bit more transparent potentially about both uk policy on the outcomes. Do you see any argument that just thinking about it in economic terms fifty things. You're interested in like how we measure the economy. How think about productivity. There is at least here. The possibility that certain things will become clearer. The things that became cliff me in the since twenty sixteen is the leveling up issues and the fact that we now come blame brussels for that means that the blame will be assigned to where i think it belonged in the first place. And that's why toll on westminster that many of the long-term ills that affect the economy and the inequalities across different places they stem from being over-centralised and having assistance at makes mistakes doesn't have local information on anti mistakes then have a nationwide effect so that the serious wants when they when they happen. So i think The consequence would be the leveling up agenda in economic terms and also the the politics of evolution and english regional government in the uk going to become much clearer. and the next frontline. I'm just before helen comes in. If i just push it a bit. Is it possible. Also to make the argument that we are advantage by this relative to the rest of the eu that is for the rest of the year which faces many of these questions to in very different ways questions about inequality about the difference between regions localities in the center about excessive but inefficient centralization of certain things that we might be better place than the rest of the eu to tackle these things post brexit. Might we have a move cathartic crisis than a. of course it's possible. It's possible but then you back to saying we pick what high price for them including making the regional divisions was not were. Because that's what happens when you have less growth in the economy than you would have the au in the uk face. Different political problems in relation to their economic purposes as on the The difficulty of being new year's aspect out of it for moment essentially a confederation that is trying to deal with big economic questions in which mistakes are pretty clearly different interests and you can see the tensions. The deep tensions without cools in the the china investment agreement. That looks like it's being driven by german political leadership into some extent german commercial interests on. Sorry the question of like what the economic and political patients For the member states gets swallowed up by the dominant power to some extent the uk. Is that the whole political situation in relation to the union means what to do about decentralization for economic focuses to try to get more likely chained economic activity in which don just been talking about issues complicated by the not being anything. I can easy way out. We can perhaps anyway tool of the union crisis in relation to scotland than in relation to northern on in relation to england. Because you can make an argument that might say that the says that that term regional government in england would be good economically politically that. That's a. that's a big problem because anything that involves a continuing. Scottish welsh national parliament but relegating english nationhood to to the regions is already proven when some version of that was what new neighbor was trying to Being in the end destructive of the union said in a way the government has a pandora's box by focusing on leveling the leveling up agenda because expectations have been raised and among backbench. Mp's as well as among local leaders around the country. And actually it's really hard problem to tackle the scale of what's needed to level up particularly in the face of brexit in the pandemic is just if we distracted the union question for a second if there was a free hand what is the level at which you think it would be most appropriate to invest to talk it. Would we talking about here. I mean how local is local using it depends a bit on which kinds of responsibilities you think important. So if you're talking about or transport networks that then it'll be one ons rate might be city regions. Ooh large scale regions. If you're talking about environmental schemes than the information that you need to make this work is much local and that needs to trickle down and so does housing policy for instance so the the sort of technocratic economic answer would be different for different kinds of levers and there's also a question about how do you then map the political stability. If you're going to think about developing i leave is of action policy actions different less government. What's the accountability mechanisms that needs to be in place and we just across. England have a bit of a dog's breakfast two different responsibilities than actually quite weak continuity which needs a lot of thought. And it's something that whenever governments have looked at it in any details is backed away from changing. Do you think question that. I think i already know the institute and i'm gonna go but i wanted to put it anyway so the other way. This could go this. The kind of win win potentially of green energy investment agenda but then he said one of the uk strength is in technology. sometimes it's just pretty cooled innovation as you will said most specifically. I am a research capability. And you're there. Is that kind of boost. Tourism around is that it's the thing that will allow this kind of fine grain understanding of the economy fine grind and fine tuned forms of local government maybe in small cities or whatever. Is there any way you think making the case that there's a win win that to that really focusing on britain's strengths and technology in ai also possibly create an opportunity for much more responsive form of local government. No i don't think that's the case a tool and a try. It's partly it's partly a an is still much more of a croft than an automated process it needs quota skill. It also feeds on data. And so i think actually the more fundamental reason i disagree with sa- position is that it's a myth that we can capture data at all the kinds of information that you would need to have effective control of decision making and a point which is about if you're talking about policies that make things better for people. You can't do that to people that also has to be that accountability engagement and it's pretty hard for people to engage with a machine learning system. It's not an appropriate way to think about shaping policies. So the information isn't there in the data and can't possibly be and it completely misses that political accountability point which many people around the country is as important as we're not as rich as london. It's we have no say over what they're doing to us. It's that losses agency and the need full respect missing in our policy and about this in a second allen. Do you think in the end. Actually we've been talking with focusing here on some of the economic consequences but actually as it always has been in a way. This is an accountability question. A political accountability question. I mean at the hall of brexit Unaccountability question because that was the question about whether the actually was sufficient consent to membership of the european union underneath if you like a suspicion that that wasn't the discontent are was the idea from the point of view Membership that the outcomes that came out of the decisions that were made in the outcomes then kind that nobody was accountable full because there wasn't any direct elections to in terms of the of the people made decisions within the year an-and governments came out from the eu summit. Slut saying an and then that would wash the hands to some extent of the outcome implying. brussels whatever so in that sense Nowhere full british politicians to hide in the same way but that means that the expectations of them can be considerably higher than they were. And i think what we've already seen in the way in which brexit played out since the referendum was that that whole idea off take back control used as they leave campaign slogan was directed against take back control from the european union. But i think we can see that. It became take back control. The politicians at westminster to in particularly became true in relation to the the non southeast parts of the country voted majority wise. Believe and we see the kind of price that central politicians might pay in the response to at the tracking system and the failure to use local public health mechanisms early in the pandemic whether clearly a supposition in the center. They knew they needed to know. And it was just as clearly not true. North question sir. Race covid were in the vaccine phase of this and vaccination Like something that probably does need a certain amount of central direction if it works if this phase of the pandemic turns out successfully in the vaccination program is scaled up and it does deliver the forms of hud immunity that were promised does have any potential to redress the balance. Has it will restore some confidence. Do you think in the santa fez a mix of of central direction in local implementation. That's necessary and they do seem to be catching that writer. More right in the vaccination program than they didn't in the track control program originally and the nhl itself has these this combination of central structures local trust making implementation decisions so i think that will be more effective than if we get out from a bedrooms again. Welcome to be really delighted. So i think that would definitely be some upside from that wall or members complaining and that he said and then some of the other things will start to bite. I mean that's the thing there. Is that paradox. Which is returned to. Normality brings other things into focus. Which are going to be difficult talking. Politics is brought to you in partnership with the london review of books and diane coup told us that whenever going to be pasta came by brexit. And this is going to go on and on forever. You know we kind of hope that this might be lost one. We did on this subject for a while. What's your sense of the view from from the eu from european states. Now that we have a deal. Is that any kind of fading that we can move on or are they just resigned as i think i am to the fact that who's going on. Well there's a distinction is supposed to be drawn between e you states in the eu itself. I think actually many. Eu states have moved on long before the deal was signed on christmas eve and only had a best hof i on the brexit vote the european commission. I think is ready for what looks like. It might be an endless negotiation that goes on indefinitely because that seems to be the deal that they penned implies that there is going to be a constant negotiation and every few years. That's that'd be ramped up into a negotiation fish or a revisiting. The deal as a whole but i think member states themselves are gonna keep that distance from that and among the member states mean there were for a while anyway some attempt to paint brexit as a kind of morality tale of that. But for the grace of goat go. You've you flirt with this stuff. Do you have any feeding night. Whether dot has gone away to other still people want to hold this up as an example of what might happen. If you play with fire. I mean to be honest. I was always skeptical about this fear of emulate Get it led to the. Eu saw being fall fall to defensive in his approach to the brexit talks. That were always been our the whole national in france nearly stages holding brexit up. Everyone doing that quite quickly. It was very very noticeable. How even those political causes you might think would want to hold brexit as an example stop doing so and i just think the fact of the matter is if you look at the other member states. The majority of them are small states small states. There intend to leave big clubs because big clubs made them feel more secure. The majority are euros members. So if you think that brexit was an absolutely not mary mentioned doing brexit while changing your currency and the final thing. I think there's a real difference between the u. k. it'll the member states is european integration is baked into the political dna other member states in a way it simply never world series. I think the reason for that. I think is for every other member state. European integration was an economic project conceived of political objectives for the original. Six colin's wasn't about colon steal. It was about wall for the southern states. It was about moving from autocracy to democracy for the states of eastern europe was about escaping the soviet union for the united kingdom european integration was an economic project for explicitly economical. Jekyll which meant the glue. That held is that was false. Less strong than it was the other members state. So i don't think there was ever a serious danger relations honest. I think that the ads on the the the risk of supposed- contagion at the beginning with massively overdone base. Because for the year o'reilly said Comparing liken in any way whatsoever really in terms of exit including the Set of institutional prices leaving the The european union article fifty but also because that narrative ignored the pretty specific set of circumstances that led to common core referendum in referendums having the outcome in which it did in the decision of excessively camera in his successor to accept the result of the referendum on them. Try to implement it so the idea. The brexit was contagious. I just. I could never see that. That was actually away from the us point view to some degree anyway of a telling a positive story about it which was made it possible to begin to sort out the relationship between the ins and the outs because obviously Problematic in terms of the possibility of joining the euro of the year. His own else. I think there were still potential full considerable domestic contest in a couple of the complexity of the european union. I'm states about the terms of the membership of the european union. That will play out in in different ways in in italy. A great deal of that is really about keeping the league in salvini out of power on. If the italian government is going to full these wrens Pull the plug on the coalition. That's going to become a question again. That's the question of putting hungary's position in the union both in terms of the ways in which those governments perceive membership as. I'm the growing opposition of some people in other member states to those countries membership site. I don't think the police collapses central questions. I'm for european union state members but i think that makes sense in terms of comparing them. To the circumstances that led to brexit. And i'm gonna ask a question. I know the ons to this is that you can't generalize this way but if you think about your sort of mainstream politicians and if you assume that the the risk of contagion was avon and therefore there isn't a kind of imperative to think that if brexit is a success other people will think that they can get away with it too and if you will leave aside charlton freud. I think thinking now any jones who sheldon for everyone does do you think. That europe's mainstream politicians can now just say to themselves. Well let's just hope it's a success on genuinely do want. uk to thrive. It's never enough to us. It's prosperity will be knock on effects on our prosperity. We've now got the security of this. Which is if they really do diverge. We've got weapons. We can use against them that there is kind of mindset. Which is let's just make the best of it to an extent. Same macron embracing that sort of thinking particularly not least because the electoral challenges. He's gonna face over the next couple of years. I think it is still. I think in the political interests of some you leaders for the uk to do quite badly At least for the foreseeable future because that gives them arguments to beat a domestic populace with blessing. The other the other part of it isn't a no one is doing this yet. I'm quite amazed by the reluctance of people are in the uk or in the european union. Actually sit down and say look. These are very close and important allies as well as trading as we need to figure out a way that we can collaborate closely together going forward to address the common threats that we face globally and the brexit negotiations nauta vehicle by which we did because we focus could so narrowly on on defensive interests. But we need to now start thinking about how to build a proper strategic alliance which allows us to work together to our mutual interest. And there's very very little sign of that. I think that this guy back to the question. David you and i were discussing with diane in the other part of this episode How to think about the world in which china has taken the tune in which it has in which the have really diverged about john. I with last year am saying Last year or so because obviously is much bigger than that. But i'm particularly thinking about the hong kong question in this respect on. That is where i think. There is the big picture. Still a question in terms of how brexit is perceived in relation to how the eu credibility is perceived on. I mean by that the us ability to act in the geopolitical world on the tendency this very strong tendency is we know is full. A mileti you to treat geopolitical questions primarily economic questions and not as long term security questions on that. I think that china will. He's gonna put that commitment. The was in some sense. Formalized in the china investment. Pack to the test on the a version. That's doing something different and probably been having able to do something. Different on china by being outside off the eu is going to bring in some competition between Geopolitically about how either side deals with a geopolitically changing will now. I agree with that on that you you would think that in principle the case for trying to find a cooperative way forward but i think what we're seeing already. China is is the differences. Now run really quite deep. One of the wonderful paradoxes. At the moment is the britain. A country of the european states. Look at as a sort of populist country has embraced a very very liberal approach to foreign policy in that in its in its a purchase or in particular the concerns voiced about human rights abuses in china. The british possible to hong kong says. Britain is the sort of uber liberal european state when it comes to mashes a foreign policy now which is if nothing else interesting and analytic if you'd accept this but there's an irony what you said in helen's said so as you described the eu for european continental european member states is a political project dressed up as an economic project. But then as how inside. It's kinda moved at the level into something where political questions actually get subsumed in economic questions so in a way it's almost being caught by game here that it can't now escape from the trap. The these things constructed in economic times the not released on highlands account that's a real handicap. Absolutely and again this goes back to the foundations of the european union. The european integration was a was a means of taming power. It was a means of doing away with geopolitics. It was a way of preventing lodgements states for wielding that power influence in one of the many sort of issues at european union now has to confront his. How an organization constructed explicitly to tame power can learn to deploy power internationally and the various positions. That have been so successful. At managing intra european imbalances nap prevent the van union from becoming an effective act certain rights and international relations so then finally and we can spend a few minutes on this but i hope while about the legacy of brexit british domestic politics. Are we going to be focusing on this podcast. On the fate of the union over there are other questions to so just to take one example. We've talked a bit about the ways in which the kiss doma led. Labor party have tried has tried to park brexit in various ways to quote unquote move on the stomach said a few days ago that free movement was no longer an issue on which he was prepared to make a fight despite the fact that in the general election he absolutely said that he would continue to file she. Is it going to be possible for labor indeed for any other opposition party to properly could this to one side or eating these things that inevitably going to come back. Say questions about free movement on immigration. A- gonna come back and bite in the way not maybe not was acute as they did during the acute brexit phase but still pretty acutely. I said there were at least three. Reasons why labor going to struggle to brexit fully behind them firstly because some labor. Mp's of very very keen to keep this debate going on. If i may say so royal podcast the other day with rosie duffield who was talking about the need for language assault think you about how best militants in favor of the uk rejoining the european union. That's mostly the kiss. It will be particularly happy to hear but there are also laboring these who won't let this secondly the structure of the deal itself means the e. You will continue to raise it head in british politics not least when we have in five years time the review of the agreement as a whole we have to every five years and we've got the consent mechanism installment as well we have the renegotiation of fisheries you know this is going to turn into a hardy perennial it off political lowest because we will have to have these these negotiations with the with the european union and the third thing is it might well be in the interest of the conservative party itself to bring up the issue of brexit periodically. Because what. Boris johnson did in the last election was basically created leave coalition and it's a coalition the holds together on the basis of social values and attitudes about brexit. But very little else. So i think for conservative. Strategist if you said you'll choices to run the next election on the basis of the traditional left right division or to run it on values and identity type issues including brexit the attraction together for the lesson because on the former the policies hopelessly divided. I agree with In different ways. I mean i think the on the freedom of movement issue i will be surprised if the kissed obama's leadership we see anything can change of direction from the party to to open that up because this is an issue that caused difficulties before the referendum. It was clearly causing difficulty in the seats that they lost at bulls in two thousand fifteen. Whether you vote was large enough to end up giving the conservatives a majority so i think that under a leader who who isn't somebody lying jeb. Cool been party is going to be very cautious about the the freedom of movement issue. Now that means that really any politics in terms of dealing with these ongoing issues with the eu wants to move towards getting uk back into the single market at least is pretty politically constrained. It doesn't mean that the issue cause significant internal division in the in the labor party. But i can't see that the people on the single market side of that. I'll go to win. Indeed i think if you if you go back to two thousand nineteen. You can see that was significantly more support in the parliamentary posse when we had Some different possibilities for the customs union option was for the single market staying the single market option. So i think that labor is going to have to take positions as these issues that have to be other. That within committees will be reviewed and possibly renegotiated. But i think it will do so within a fairly narrow political range of possibilities at least until a new shock happens if you like a in disturbs the political status quo. Because i think that the moment what we've ended up with is is both parties in laws in the same position where brexit is concerned with one of them. The conservative of the reasons that analysts said having a considerable advantage because it was the one that invested its political credibility in in brexit happening. And the party moved away from a position where after they referendum committed to accepting the referendum result. So what does labor do. So if if the conservative successfully mobilized a leave coalition around brexit as cultural marker and using immigration as a form of politics that they know the site or talking about immigration and migration what the labor do labor. Don't try to assemble the remain coalition. Get like gang back together again because the remained coalition consistently seems to lose. What do you think i mean. How does labor respond to that kind of politics com of city council. We don't want to talk about this. No but you can try and move the political debate on two different terrain coney less time. The fact of the matter is by the time we get tools east next year. The only issue assuming the public health crosses is receding significantly by them too because of the value say next year. You mean this. Michael does this year. You see for you. Each this is what happened. This year is wrapping presents for christmas tomorrow. And i'm gonna go wrong A big issue by the time we get to east is going to be the post covid economic crisis. I think labor have got to hope the vat the terrain on which political battles will be full between then on the next election. because they're rex. They could mobilize the documents about competence. They can pick holes in the government record of dealing with the impact of the unemployment crisis will expecting to happen. And it's far foam comfortable to run for the policies of part of this is not simply about whether or not you could win about whether or not you need to find it whether actually politics is gonna be full two different issues. Labor will going out to make it about economics. And what would the rosie duffield say too that the people who still think that there is a battle to be fought but this this long struggle is not over presumably come eastern beyond. They wouldn't see any sense in trying to fool grounded then two is there a real constituency on the opposition's item bam told about some of the other parties to get the the case full long-term and going back in the eu. Get it going. What do you think it's gonna wait. I think part of that depends on. How many how many headlines about confiscated ham sandwiches. We're confronted with over. The course of the next couple of is decide if the boldest else to function relatively well if we don't get many many stories about companies going under because of the impact is brexit than actually it's holder to reignite the debate if however it turns out to be a total mess birth of the border with northern ireland manager of the border with european union. Yes absolutely not movement to reignite a debates about the eu and if not rejoining at least whether or not we should have a close relationship with it. I think my welcome back and forth with partly about whether the economics drowns out everything else is partly to think about how brexit ends of working in practice. And how it's reported in the major stories around at all and for the ham sandwich stories will remain coalition to the boys johnson. I mean that is a daily telegraph. Boris johnson from twenty five years ago because he was the most cunningham sandwich stories into gold. Anyway i think the thing that brings it back quite quickly. He's a union which you to get his wife and told him about the union this time. But i think in a inescapable because if you move to a referendum before the end of this parliament another scottish referendum on independence and that referendum. What's be one by the scottish cup on both of these things. A big ifs. But if they with a case of things happened than i think that would be seen as an opportunity by the remained side to say look simply what possible to sort out. Independence full scotland unless at the very least that the rest kingdom is back in the single market. I think that this is why. The brexit issue in the union issue keeping tangled up together. Can i ask you a sort of personal political question given the can change changing europe. The project that you've been running through the whole of this saga right from the beginning and you've being informing the public tracking public opinion. debating politicians. The laws how do you feel about it now on. I mean have you got any sense of closure and moving to the next stage leaving aside. You'd i know each year it is. We're we're look guy on. The time has changed shape slightly. But you get any sense. Post the deal given you'll professional activities. I've lost boys at full five years that we're in a different phase or does it just kind of move from one to the other. I think it moves. I mean i find it very very hard to reflect back jill. Russia is these prospective of the tail end of last year which is why my first real attempt to sort of look back and join sense of what had happened. I found it very very difficult to do to his little bit of a blur. But i think brexit is moved from one thing into another that is to say it's more from the process of leaving the european union. The process of walked. We do with country now that we have left the european union in many ways the social science questions posed by this next phase a more interesting than the social science questions posed by the states. Because now as you say we go questions over the state of the union. We've got natural experiments about what happens to an economy when you might trade with its largest trading partner more difficult we have the whole issue of a government that is talking of leveling off at a time of unprecedented sort of the economic crisis. In in a sense it's just become a different set of questions but in a way questions that are if anything slightly more interesting than the ones we wrestle with. This flight is so you're going to keep going Well for the moment. I mean we all we all. We all meant to keep going till easter all twenty twenty two anyway but i think the idea that somehow now that this process is our need for social scientists to be making the findings of the research widely available has disappeared as silly next week. It's back to america. And joe biden's inauguration with gary gerstl and then soon we're gonna be talking about if lee is the government gonna fool. Who is going to succeed. Angela merkel. Finally we wanted to tell you about the new series of history of ideas that we have starting on february second as before. We'll put the first step set out on talking politics but then our separate stream history ideas is way you'll find the next eleven and this time we're doing something slightly different with our partners allah be. There's a membership scheme history of ideas. 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I mean we're Chelsom might be forever then you don't tend to focus as much on first. Gore's fund really specially since his mouth mention each way values garner our disbarring. You're looking at plausibility. That I haven't really had the chance to show it so I might be low self. So who's GonNa might start to get a chance to shine policy to add one thing about that. I go scores Donut Hole WYNN plans change position. Select decor in you. Just know is saying that going. From being a defensive midfield it's tacky midfield role roll a left back left midfielder. That's what you looking out for. Kites says my favorite football post years the preseason if you could pick one season combat now what would it be. So if you're up near new position anti post what would you go for mountain. Ranges win the Scottish Cup. Free to wash car is absolutely do. The arming is absolutely enormous. Or you have a look at the Scottish premiership outright ranges a two points behind Celtic with a game in hand fixed odds firms. I'm surprised surprised outside as well. Yeah I mean fixed fixed on phones just about might Celtic favorites Spread Funnel Sporting Index actually might ranges favorites a witness this goal permits. You look at the League Cup final which sells it. One with their only showrooms hog in gangs up so dominated the market sent him off. I think it was about levels then they played a paulk and recently ranges got their revenge and Celtic worlds against to win that game at Parkhead so basically saying these two teams are very similar ability so if someone just not by the doffing offerings of really style market simulate. Somebody live four Celtic free to warm ranges arranges in the opening game in Saudi politics. So it's not as if there's any you know there's nothing to be raining hibs away or something so Just I might not win but I mean you can't get you all you definitely get Nevada. What about US Donald League wandering? Because it's such a tightly ought to look for a And Lincoln to reach a Plateau Lincoln along way of but there's a real imbalance with their home in Hawaii gangs apply ten games where really strong actually eleven. Now they'd be out outten In the wake and now I'm fifty. You know why signed to look out for Burton tend to improve the second off the season. They not far off a hot up. The food chain Outsi- Bony to be really. It is a big X.. Someone else about Lincoln Save covered that of Liverpool reminded this is from Matt Liverpool. v Man say Champions League fun or assuming everyone is fit who goes favorites. And who wins Dan. Think Shit you'll probably go a favorite I would I would with the teams at the moment our Titan Liverpool to win mark. Yeah all I think six would be favorites. But that's peculiar isn't it. Why well on expected goals and you can I mean Man City of performed baton Liverpool this season Liverpool and this will make one angle? It's been seeing a witness. Been Really lucky but it's a used. They've not been unlucky. Being it been games Aston Villa where they got to really goes Crystal Palace where light one. Even that the so-so Johnson missed against Taunton just moments that of going gained city when Newcastle put wanting from the yards away show. He was I it's been a bit lot that Mansi plus they also pull and also saw offing rights. Because he was a northwest game breaker for them even if it was off the bench and they could rotate around them. So I think that would Would go favorites ritts often that that may influence my bed which would probably be Liverpool play. Did you ever cash out. I'd stand never no. No I know I just I feel like he planned the mall twice in the long run. Nice now and if I saw a cash cow off in the long run and you're just waking on on one caveat I would have is an amazing amount. Lancy pose money. I just want to hold on or twenty five to five on your actor is your money that could win you a law or did cash at once. Yeah and that was on you. Probably well back to win the championship season. They came up and I will freeze on the final die. Conceded Injury Against Sheffield Wednesday Abobo funded so often. I mean generally speaking wanted. He's I've had a bed because on authencity that bear. I don't have that in order to cash out when I can double more money as so once. Said if you cash out you'll restricts in your chances of winning big an increase in your chance losing big if that make sense a nice a few weeks at Tom until the next round of matches but all Monday nights when the euro plead the worst jolie of all time of yeah. You could argue that a gum. All I would say about. How is the United States? Probably GonNa Finish in the top four so winning winning the Europa League becomes the be owning for somebody like you know. I'd say I'll look at some looking so you're in the race again ventures I mean all they gonna be that bovid Nostril United Against Bruges in an easy one breezy kind that trump. But they've vulnerable who you GonNa make fireworks and that's that's where it becomes more difficult question because it's all it's offense that seems Ernie. It's up there. Okay Uh Stuart says who wins the National League then nationally trumping Barrow. It's helping Roy opinion nights you don't mess to not really about that. must've been mark. Giving surprised realized Barrow would solve Kong. I just know that Wrexham have been an absolute disaster picked off to a slow start on May have a strong second half. We'll move on Lucas says. Do you play on the relatively new stat betting markets what your opinions of them atone affi. They all So Fun That's really So I mean. They're probably not men of Basil loads on a A fun way of Of Betting I wish the Noble Mike is off for both sides And mention the Colin Diane because some of the prices are just Joe and I mean the trade is must be literally embarrassed to put them out. Okay Eddie says do think one or both of leads and West Promo Promo phone out of the top two in the championship. If so who replaces them. Dan Charles the whale watching each West Brom the other ones are likely to Brentford will replace two. Yeah absolutely career Briefly win these. They could US doing that. Leads all The Best Team in the championship. They found ways to not win. Matt Matt Moore how much they should Oscar de Brentford always vulnerable. We mentioned only Wilkins Mighty got villa state. So somebody one of that from free then it becomes a different different story but I mean surely they got the sense of this time to think we can go on this strong. I've just been on I. Ten twelve point six except I would have been more likely to sell but the fact that they're so close automatic. Now they're gonNA think in the end of the rainbow now. Let's like to go out than Bergeford will be favorites to win the playoffs. Thank you very much indeed chap's great. Thanks so much for senator questions in. We'll do that again soon. That was very interesting. Sorry if we think round to your question let's get stuck into the weekend matches and we'll stop the Saturday lunchtime game at vicarage road twelve thirty on bt. Hey it's Warford versus spurs I'm GonNa give you Patty POWs match prices of the other. Prices are available but this gives us a clue about what we're dealing with here. Patio Twenty one to ten. What twelve to five to draw six to five spurs? We'll start with the most famous walk for Dan Tottenham Fan in the land dench along with age to what they're actually. I just think if you look at the recent form these SAWS just before exam results some law positives with what the turnaround happen before pace coming out Shalita doing better plying on the high mullins with a couple of games without getting the results not a result succumbing and when they drew one one on the floor is Spurs an inaugural leaky could've won that game a as well SPAS MARINA COMING OUT THE ORIGINAL WORTHY. You know early on there was a big upturn. Went in there. And now the results in the deaths The pulse issue Spurs Mustang. Japhet Tangas looking really good for them. At the moment lesot Stein search coming to the law negatives. You got kinds disciples injury Laurie. He's still asked about Gaza. Excuse me In our tax somewhat gene imply recently The bellies big losses World Ericsson contract situation to sign simony naked apes. And what a great run. So I'll talk going by. What for join our odds against his wife taking? What did you see the same TIPPED EH federal. I Bet I mean full wins and a draw in las five that includes hung winds. I've United Wolves teams probably similar in ability to Saltmine spas of you know the vulnerabilities particular way from Southampton drew storage drew with Middlesbrough in the FA Cup when they pull out strong seen Vanni kept to premier league clean sheets. Aw I think actually widely performances. I did much better against Liverpool. Most people gave him credit former in your goal. Stick off the woods but he got most livable particularly did for not winning in a way for nearly a whole year but that's just Maria brings that kind of on himself I don't think that that does bring with it some pressure and I'm not sure that Of playing them to still a a squad made up. A portrait. Zeno plays trolling supply marines. Football is not quite there yet with your taught him fan hats. Scarves you happy with Marino. Dan I'm I'm a middle road. At the moment I was I I must admit I want into communist choice. time I think he's he's got problems too. So are you know the the focus something could gun from from the manager. All think that's transmit itself applies an injuries. He's got recently they just went like it was turning around before turning around. They listened on belly when he was playing really well to hurricane massive blow to soak. You've lost your first choice. So the show. I'm not totally sure. Because often the as a impacts and then it fades the long term. I'm worried about short-term excuse us because of the injury situation about your mind him a thinkings thing he's Lozad as I mentioned he's been harshly judged on on recent results. Now missing puffing what you tell you five a really important plays and that's difficult to to take off in next season's this way. You Uganda Junkin. Let's do these six non-televised primarily league games next. I'm Marina. I know about being special English manager of the three times special winning the Jackpot on Power Games. Not Special understood understood. Joe Say yes. Someone wins an average forty thousand pound Jackpot every single day. So if you win. Don't think you'll special daily jackpots. Biparti Power Games James Jackpots must be wooded by eleven pm and Very day-to-day put a shed with other operators available on selected games TNC TWO POUND DOT COM to welcome back Sokha. Saturday will be a good watch on Saturday because we got six three. PM Games in the Premier League. Let's spin through them. We'll start with snow versus Sheffield United Patio four to five arsenal. Thanks five to to the draw. Rose seven to to the blades. WHO's GonNa win this? I'm GONNA go on. Two and a half goal was just as the best she ever looked auditors. Five games the only one that was was Chelsea game when it was one to really lay on you know Lesnar makes the mistake if not awesome probably would not want Sheff regions eight nine of their eleven. The white gains have been under that includes trips Sautin Amancio and Liverpool. There's no Obama Yang. I just expected to be typical CHEF performance and it won't be easy for US also price you hoping four on the on the on the disease the It was it was pickup. Welcome I'll go. Yeah that sounds. Then I'll tentatively go for drawer and there's something fading tonight low scoring prediction now feeding all performance folded shores. I've improved under all tests but the results already shown it yet us. I one win in the one defeat free draws I mean the draw you watched yourself for Christian really even before going down to ten before which was tied off a little bit as well and so. That's still playing in spurts in games and that was an issue from before we arrived so I would like to actually get involved in a spur. The I mean the thing about puts you offer. Taking odds-on is chef strength. When I've Lost Twenty Team Hawaii I would say I mean that speaks yourself Bryan? That manager is something else. Isn't he brought in eight to thirteen. Aston Villa at sixteen the draw. And it's seventy two cents to the Villa Dan. Let's see brought to win this game. The price is When you consider it as a three points between the teams in the League that Kinda puts me off a bit Song GonNa? We're not just a juicy apple. He'll be brought to win both seems to score twenty wants to tens of price villa. I mean a lot we back as we saw me. Mansi Roofer sleep a spouse that the school goes twenty eight goals which is more than any. I've seen in the bottom half so were greedy. She's always cry. Or maybe score himself so brought to you by San Francisco who mock On on a like Brian but nights thirteen for teams once they lost eleven matches. Not Saturday caught by shift Wednesday. They winning more admires than point. They are they are. I think because they're so good on possession and you know they're expecting goes up a decent the day all going off Show but it might be nervous by can seem lot Brian. Eight thirteen even again Jacksonville. But there's no forget ability the job on Lester I mean the to compensate smitten to do less play. Similarly football wormed Lebron's I expect village do exactly the same. And they've got the best player on pitching in Greeley so yeah Bryson lybrand so villa raw double chance Man City wants to twelve palettes twenty two one ten to one the draw palley summer won their lance. Jay can they do it again. Mon noggin Guy for spent way too long looking at this guy trying to find a bet to pull out but in the end I just went for. Let's split correct scores on free new unfold nail Polish. Suto I well. Yeah maybe I should go for. You also may stick Eh for the policy to join Bolton scores in primarily. They've done incredibly well points wise to have only given Tony scored twenty goals. Just this will be white too difficult for the playoffs. They they did against Hillary free new four nukes. About right I think pedestal. Keep it more respectable looking at the results policies. and I've never schoolboys. Who goes on once of I can see more than to go so the more attention as we've had lots of different injuries is seems always organized a tough to break down thing even if the full behind it we got chasing as well I think I would keep them in a good shape and so I'll say two chicks they only? Tom Bashed visit your place down off time. He's supposed to go before shots on talking. Ah Very poor ACI is some kindness. Norwich eleven to ten boom five five two two draw. Goodness may water game mount. Yeah I'm GONNA has got full move to win They're overseen a Rendez Foam. I still think never bet saying The the Norwich and so therefore I just think that the process a A bit big last week was a terrible terrible performance. No doubt about that against Against Wofford Ramsau should return and go. The the young travels might've the K.. Mistake important time in that game But I just think that better than nor is Fremont season's done what was about them limited Who Join AMAC them? Yeah I'M GONNA show up with bowling as well. You look at all playing poorly boomer. But they don't coupla applies for what offer Gamay weren't quite ready a knife and Adam Smith but that should have an extra week's training enhance defensively The GDP lies going forward. Lots of Fraser. Colin Wilson is better. Phone is in England scored Harry Wilson Annoy showing one winning seventeen clean sheets in fourteen games even when title lead. I seem to manage to to lose. You know the thing about the game. He's I think they're definitely be go. Boating scores is really really short. Because nor did you go to win against touchable. Were looking thinking. We've got a couple of these games against teams around this must win on southern being both sides but born for me okay Cayenne Southampton who have roared back to from thirteen to ten they host wolves her two to one. And it's nine four. The draw down moves again. Pretty stretch us no is an they would be my I'll go quite strong fancy for South Ensenada squats of busy times of the season and he's letting them down a little bit They look at bench against mench in Troy. Ohio when he said he was a well actually off to the game. When Lachie was struggling with an eagle which applies for a minute chunks? There wasn't he came on as a defender that so few attacking options. Because what you want but why would you put try Oria against one BASSAC around the kid on the I saw this. It's interesting point that the two really clever managers of both done La. I wonder I wonder if there's a A bit of ood. If you put that then it stops Wamba soccer from even getting venture wrench forward at all is it seems to be back completely on is an interesting one but you know both both Guardiola and Nuno the opportunity to test out Somebody weaker on the left hand side and and done it. So what you're saying is you. You know I've done a lease with studying. They ended up into not mad. Didn't I so he started on the left but we trial right. I mean you you you you call pulse. BASSAC could just doesn't happen. It's incredible so what we're GonNa do for you like. I just think that that will say these gamble. Oh by picking each greatly. He's picked his strongest Jeff. I cop to win the tie that was on the Wednesday. You've now got a tough game on Saturday against Southampton Seven wins in savings. Tango Lost Ten headstart. So lots of reasons back Simpson reason wouldn't back Cell phones is the still finger. They struggle a little bit when young. He's only Chris Rules I mean in in some respects. Maybe that'll sue is. The onus is on them yes I am GonNa. I'M GONNA go for the drawer. Maybe even the one correct score of wolves is but permanently games. A season finished one fence and retards up in goals conceded since nine nil humiliation in a ten match full table deferred Sony Liverpool. Nancy so they are doing really well that includes a Um you know strong performances Chelsea Tottenham and lester just now the now everybody expects them to start winning when Warri little bit for them a kite. This is another testing in game. It's western versus. Everton is to two on West Time Twenty three to ten the draw thirteen to ten Everton. Say Everton look a little short somme. Bob Interest Sue at you boys sing. You can typically to mark on now get it for office always going to go for somebody drawn would be Evanson but avenue to Away gains just not sure really where Westheimer heading at the moment. That was a really old performance in chef. Regional it'll be that maybe it was a tough game Likud something out in the end but they didn't create anything negative performance. Nobody upside Halloween Eve. When he made some really needs to give any kind of attacking impetus so that same saw often can draw a nasty looking supply updated? Look on the and Chelsea's never beaten David Moyes as a man you've got four forgo using these. He's never been in. But maybe that'll continue gun draw. This could be last match that they can make them cook ball with the drawer as well as an up. He's Lost Free Games in major league. First Boat I can only can cd one guy I got into this spell it and you can see one go so there is an improvement that defensive Leeann just a you know a horror mistake that was from from all the sled to the only goal conceded state. Yeah walking walking tweak. We didn't get up by Everton. Everson a why we still trust them to wins in four aimed primarily Oregon's. They're all to trust favorites. That was tricky venue to winner. Okay let's to the Saturday night live game and the naps next. Everything is better when it's bigger party. Power same game multi allows allows you to combine a number of selections from a single match into one big bet. Check out the same game multi tab and get building your bed terms and conditions apply eighteen plus begun dot org doc. Welcome back to the Racing Post Weekend Football Post concerts bruce millions and mark Langdon and then Charles. Let's do the live Saturday night. Game James's part five thirty on Sky Sports Newcastle versus Chelsea and Patty power bet five to one Newcastle one hundred thirty the draw on one to two Chelsea Elsa Dan Charles. Would you be lumping on chill at wants to that. Maybe not an. I'll think they win the game SOLVE JUST BOOST THE PRICE GO CHELSEA choshi double results quarterback against that. I just think I've I've I've picked up now. That don't spell roundabout the Christmas period. Seven points in the last nine including that win a goodwin against an improving under offsets Gos- five-point cushion out some mentioned Nazis. I think you call even thought points from the drop design all candidates That aren't scoring off goal was John. John Chevy's it's up scoring apparently before I've always Nobody else scoring on that includes Almar on WHO's actually Steve. Automate Ronnie's got two goals games. But not chose she chose you buy more active Newcastle cake. Confounding the critics isn't that can carry on during that. Hey y'all Wouldn't back Chelsea the twos on a new concept drawing Nancy. The beaten United Beaten Tottenham comfortable with Wolves Chelsea Vanni kept one mm-hmm primarily Sheets you probably feel like they're going after score at least twice in the Strong defensively new also did a job as well on shift who did not. Many any of the They did not seem to play good football. They're always going to be low of Alabama. The expected goals table is just the white guys mentioned earlier home but I just think Alma role at sixteen to one eight hundred won't give you a run the escort and he's lost free matches Full goes into gain before Christmas. Elaine scored a lot goes in the MLS and Chelsea. Don't keep many clean sheets very quick question. Just won't the number. What's your mark for Frank Lampard so far out of ten Dan Scholz Seven Alkali? Good right and let's see what else the boys fancy outside of the primarily. Don't give naps way. But what have you got for us. It can be in Europe. I mean Scott and can be down in the AFL. What July mark The the one alike actually in the NFL is probably in a drawer. Double chance at so. Let's Cheltenham or not lose a crew crew really poor a week and swindon last week and not getting enough credit credit Dongfang Cheltenham and route their lead. So you have two games since the end of August as well in the league so cruel really good on the short to me and and then In terms of the Europe Italian for Genoa in the relegations on Roma play very well in defeats events last week is on the Olo picks up a serious knee injury which is a blow for Roma and they play on. I you know in the Cup without being said still odds against a winning John was a fair process. Die Out what force for home to Holly in the championship. Dhabi's home records been pretty solid over the season Seven wins homers. Seven of the right wins in the in the League of COP. Come Sean Payton and five guys. It's been a rooney factors since he's coming. It's aged lifted. He's been pretty good as well. He's getting on the BOA getting involved almost that someone said the other day their plumbing two quarterbacks him and Huddleston. I'm not sure the balances necessarily Roy of motion. It's time I played by Palestinian hyper. Mostly it has been Rooney and how to listen sometimes coming off the bench just to get the energy In especially for the championship which is found out. If you have the energy in that sir how lost Fulham one nil loss. We think cry in that game Anjar borrowing you want his transfer speculation. Maybe affectionally uh-huh but he's only got one going. He's lost six games. Not One mention league. One Wickham up in on a bad run but hunter watched our offense your shades on on About a free week to over the baron. The the by implying against Oxford Portsmouth sunland away Coventry. An switch I've understand and what I've been on. The run is a manager at a free week to to clear the Hades ungodly screaming style been struggling. I should season and I've had the four one defeat new recall. So sorry you know that that's going to retain mentally and physically out of it's NAPTIME will be to Roy Roy. I let the side down badly last week with the leads. LEADS DUB RESULTS ARE GONNA turn redeeming so play very very steady with breath for four to six to win. Hot is is Phil Donahue. You'RE GONNA not steady as well I was on the white wrong but Portsmouth were mentioned quite a bit already starting to slice fruit not division a night heads ahead SA- boats a new look to me on giving up In recent results full free against button tune into a rush out seen as not very good conceded. Five in mid week. AAC At Lincoln as while the understand why they giving you can't blame and point of view you may be thinking that's just go down and and be stronger in Lee to in. That's it looks to me. The struggling supplies at the moment. I'm pump pump one of the best things in the pompey four to six. Thanks to four six shorts. You've got nothing more exotic. They're not much more. I'd say I'M GONNA GO PLYMOUTH LEAD to Censor Eleven to Mansfield just do things a big price Title on great grandfather. The last six games exception was losing to WANNA homes. It's elitist swindon and Luke Jeffcott have called back from from a launch spell. Were true or not in your stroke. He's got four dollars in his lawsuit giving them a injection of a quality up from another minds. foodery it's not really turned around the nonsense in the league. Graham Coughlan came in from Bristol Rovers expecting a view that might be a good school that was underperforming but no improvement I four free. I'm took forest greenhouse. We cannot have been soon your up while winning twelve months. She can get anything okay. So we're going very very conservative. They were going. Plymouth Portsmouth Portsmouth and Brentford. Hopefully that trouble will cop right. And we've got to live games on Sunday stunt at two o'clock Burnley versus Leicester Slovensky. Gosh Boys Burnley are GONNA make losses on sixteen to five it's thirteenth these paddy power prices and Lester. who fought did a little bit recently? They're five to six can the folks he's got back on track Suggest some sign that for most of the. The scene is not surprised that they've just little mini wobble. Now if I often is totally understandable and probably indeed injuries As being the catalyst for yeah that Bot I only dimensioned early look to be one of those things is heading raw in the wrong direction. At the moment I'm they lost all their matches matches against the big six and uncle Leicester's big seven lost all of them disease not competitive however or even close as they did and the Egypt start back to that performance a New Year's day when he was so poor. Aston Villa You start to wonder whether they kind of dodged Voodoo magic running out I I. I certainly think that You know just shy of Zone Lester. A team that's going to be playing Champions League football season automate Dan. What's your opinion in Oughta lectures? Well Woodside that. I think the indeed injuries going to hug him for for the rest of the season I'm not sure hurt me and this guy explain why I just think that the position takes in front of the back four seems play more between the lines and a need that to use that spice offense and did in in the last. I don't think that's going to be more of an issue of physical things strong enough back physically and I think the move off an director so I don't think I can handle that better Even though the the best holiday midfield ply their challenge comes in from DD patties not by a stew is a big drop offerman. They'd I mean he's one of the best. I defensive midfield in division. Was He's concise. Yeah he's he's yeah he's fantastic unbundling. The obvious negative Katif Tend to feature in the last fourteen free points from the drop. Sign this guy and then the week as well were out traffic on big problems. The site menu. Not that scary no anymore. As the market for our big game of the day at four thirty on Sunday shows is livable versus many United Incident Patty panel might livable one two three that would have been inconceivable but any other time in recent history sentenced to the draw and seven to one man united whose problems potentially actually got worse when rash for`de limped off after very short appearances substitute with a back problem whether or not. He's back Dan. Can you see my new getting anything thing here. Actually you could argue. Liverpool should be Shota when you look at either run that there on the twenty nine out the premier league win in seven Gained Gino Competition home without about losing. You probably will be factoring. Is the reason that the prices are as competitive. They all live win. I'm going to go for it. took to boost the prosser Liverpool and under three and a half goal was shades against you. Only it's a good bet. What was notes report apart from that list? The game where they kinda run Roy. They've actually nine last ten games. I I've not school more than to go so there has been been a lot more on defense. It was it was a little bit. Shakey have really turned up at the back on roller here as well when you say. Short now I cops upon one permanently game against Manchester United States. If you're looking for an Saleh's never school to permanently go against If you call the if you're not find you probably hoping that that that can move you know stay the same. In the United all. The only teams avoided defeat against Liverpool in the permanently decision. It took a late long ago and to keep the unbeaten run going. But there's there's a massive go from between the two teams at. The moment is no doubt about that I remain Dan. Bets can both win Ben slightly against him here but it's Mine Liberal to win and now we have a one and a half goals so they just needs to goes out quite. Yeah Yeah you are and the one that was on the APP. Once beginning four to six you will take on a once a free short form. What six just for taking Yelm? Yeah sounds like a very good enhancing only one is still. I mean these gains do tend to be relatively civilly tough INCAS damsel points. I'm just hoping that this one bucks. The trend really an Liverpool. If before play like what live I've been playing and Ninety taught him one. Those there is an he'd be wars one news. I is not something that you know you have to. You have to say Always not certain Sienese. We need a much better way is still you know a fair on the I just want to tell you get more out of the the process. Mommy's that Senate race. In between the twenty seven point gap between the teams and the aim point gap between not relegations on them and their gallstone. Liverpool also lost eight primarily gangs cult for halts on four on by the not just they just be in things up so people have different views on what happened with out salt and played against them Tottenham things their best taking points is to play that negatively and it probably will as you know it. Did something really similar as well. You're winning gangs before you turned out. Awesome icing extortion. Said saying the just odd. Lots of watch them. They just fabulous. That's right grinding out. Just flamboyant and Bryn fullbacks. Just just wonderful. I really really great same injuries as well allison was out for for Chung for billions being. Now yeah ways you now. I'm not all thank. You know that could have derailed. I mean you know goalkeepers men sixty I've problems when they went to have a field that a too many out for began but I mean I think they've had other injuries cates. I just be now You know the the new center also be now if you look at the players you know best the to stop overseeing score you. Oh you got the goalkeeper Filipino. Vanoy on the side lost two and three. So let's is no. You couldn't couldn't say that's why that's why they're doing so well is because they've had a good run. Okay let let me put this. Let me turn that around. If vandyke ago engine when LaPorte go engine Nepal or being available on the gap be now was. I would say probably won't be much in it. I mean nothing. It'd be quite close to. I'm about the same points I mean. You probably as as oversee the big east powered on defense on the point. You take think of Liverpool one and you're not a few sixty I mean would the would've saved all of these problems. I mean every time that you can see the goal now. If he he would say was the pool was the and you know. There's a double whammy there because not many of you know. Go a fantastic sense back there. You're also pulling high-quality central. Midfield field is back in there on. So you waking to areas that okay right then but yeah obviously live claw superb right then. We got full mid week primarily programs spurt. Across across three days I'm going to spin through the fixtures and then the boys can choose a bet h villa wofford. We've got born with Brian Pallister. Fanton ever it's a new car. Saw Sheffield refuge. In City Chelsea arsenal less versus West Ham Tottenham versus Norwich manual versus Bernie and on Thursday wolves versus Liverpool more. Gripe Gripe action there. If you could only have one bell knows Dan who would you go for. I'm GonNa for what for join our BA- Ask them better. Watch the game at recruits Roy. When what's one three? Neil I WANNA know up when they went down two men and still ran out comfortable three winners. On applying a villa park will be tougher. bumming sorry law and confidence in my win. Offered High John Confidence unless that changes dramatically in the fixtures. Before over the weekend I can see for suddenly not losing their and that's why join showed zone is a good bet. Are you going to you. Say you're very tricky. Coddle cease a quick turnaround for these gains. Onto one deliver awesome could avoid defeat at Stamford. Bridge Noah Bama Yang is obviously the an issue but it does mean maybe the authentic important of a defensive mind deploring there that they played well against Chelsea at the Emerson if they all all heading in the right direction I think from a defensive point of view is so in the mail Pretty well in terms of whether they win the back in the hunger That might actually actually young better suit. I think go forward. We've all snow into not losing matches wherever we actually turns into a great attacking force. Also done now but I think he saw it in the defense out. That's been sort of part. One of his he's reman. I think he's doing quite well. They're not giving up quite as many johns is what they are a wooden attain goes. No wouldn't have said you'd have asked not to get something at Chelsea. I'm amazed but yet we should say I think Chelsea Donald Show as a two only new fields make sure. Are you going to Sandy. Live football between them when we convene next Thursday non-aligned so again this weekend. I ah what for what would be the half and half scarf sales potential a ticket of because I was sending tickets for a guy that even happen for what I against West against. My you know it around sending the case today and they'll refund if Crimea not what offer now say that's good that's when you when you get Champions League draws some you say well we can only draw there were only a quick quick Ryan. F- fly and exit stuff so no live foot will not. Nah How many games really watched you think it's next Thursday Ten maybe Dan probably four or five. Always Religiously Watch the championship. 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Tony Morley-Class Of 81

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Tony Morley-Class Of 81

"Around our our. I'll i'll okay. Welcome all to aston villa through the is class of eighty one champions in their words tonight. Tony we're gonna take a trip down memory lane and remember that connick season when aston villa became champions of england forty years ago but first. Let's give a mentioned. The book that celebrates your magnificent achievement. Aston villa first division champions knowing saying eighty to eighty one fortieth anniversary tribute forward boy escaper mortimer and written by jim todman. And let's also give a shoutout to the social platforms that fans can visit and reminisce on facebook. It's i've a forty fortieth anniversary tribute page on twitter at ivory forty and the website that toys you all together is either fourty tribute dot com. Roy that's enough of my house things mice. All right your shots now. And i'm gonna look forward to this little cats and i did say although some tipple chocolate biscuits them thoroughly enjoy me. So it's a little ultimately the next hour and i will be enjoyable yet. Oil jammie dodgers to be fair there. My five hey you must have been a boy scout you. It's skill remain. No internet like that like you know absolutely useless with my hands are warm bad with me. Life for anna did play in the same position as you as a kid. But it didn't have you'll blistering pace. What was the preseason. Because also start with a good preseason. How'd that go villa finished seventh year before you really kicked on the league boy storm and you scored the first goal of the campaign. Eliah ellen road against leeds. Preseason a always been underground you know. It was always very ogling in indices. We china extremely like about scoring related. Probably lead side on our web. Not the fitness is believing fitness at the rats. You know you you know you get paid to keep fit any you know so you know you. You're you're gonna. Do you knew what was going to keep a and in his is fitness and individual fitness. Everybody in an it blended into it seeing kosovans ideal of everything. It wasn't individual team. So every everybody's working together we try very very all. But i still remember just before the season started in might've been on the kospi on the friday before the for the setting in mcconnachie footy is known. What exactly was you. Sat his all done on the pitch and he said good enough this year to beat anybody. The target will be liberal. We're going to continue book than we finish above limited. Which i think we can with this quarter be champions so e e e disbelief in his in his in everything. Everything went real. Wealth is no injuries. Got a great chance of very very successful season and as it proved it was very successful. And you did stay clear of injuries because the fourteen players that you used seven of those including you wherever presence that incredible especially given the fact that you had so many difficult games and when i say difficult games i mean garvey games and by definition they are hard enduring battles and you won. Eleven drew three out of them. Fourteen local dhabi's. That's a drake fan. But i've always said this is all saw to play them. Because you know you're playing in one way you paint snow year. Could play in. Monday can play night so it was not like it is today where the press team pitches in people getting breaks every time you to work for like you said along. People didn't realize how many local dogs we are in on the time as retail local dogs yard to. We need to talk to the button. You know everything goes out the window. I mean people kept talking about it. Switch blah blah and you know they were good cyber. I'm not i think they got beat by once. Team your home. On the. I think yeah i think they told me in a way. Not team relegated. Not team was norwich their local derby so it shouldn't we had seven hundred years. We had seven. So i don't think any of the team level win the league seven local dhabi's and all the time we had so lake forest with european champions. You are. The wolves will lay co-winners blues. You never gonna get these instant blues yacht less good side culture good size. Storms will always bill size. Really is is is in fact the forgotten a lot. People don't realize it so really. It was a phenomenal effort from the lodge suits. When i think we only got one point out wall dhabi's should phenomenal really like you know you. You drew three times in local offices which which is absolutely incredible memories of them. Dhabi's if you've got any particular memories because you know they do tend to bit too often and generally speaking the fullbacks will give the wingers a bit of a show in the first five minutes to let them know. You're there but you want a winger the showy to i you no shrink inviolate. Was you know what we knew. We not even knew the issue. Say them in the mouth. At times i got the first A on the toll meaning Put the torch line first tackling. The refuse to komo warnings is only didn't written low than the full about not seating. Now you got out the way buying next one eating the bulk. So it's like w i kick in that. Let's get a little bit your experts you now you know i mean i'm sure manager manager of the opposition defending would always say to make sure your first tackle make sure he knows you play meaning giving giving heckled wedding was expected and always i. It's likely wrong. Bright that all mccray on a got no complaints that it because at the end of the day and outside Until most ios in the light really so you get all as part of football. He thought football footballing physical byles. No he told by seoul news all personal biles when you personal battles and you got more so when you're on a football pitch nice no different now you know he's got to win your personal battles and if you win personal battles As a team of winning the game. So i had no complaints. You know the only thing. I get upset. We sometimes as a wing. Then you said you'd never got the balls from time you know they're trying to cut your your your pa pass out. You know you service. You get frustrated. Some crowds are undergo you. Because you're not gonna vote. You'll plan to attack tactic a potential. You gotta stay not patent for for good of the team. It's not the good of the individual the entertains for the good of the team. And what do not stick. they get. At the end of the day it the goal was to become pins now ever presence. There were seven but the position that changed more than any other position was the left back which your job was to to get back as well. You see yourself as a as a forward denis so you as part of the midfield four mental. I find it for example and people say oh bill play with their three midfield nano play. Reforming the greatest sonal academic was out with kennel. Said villas midfield. Full the best in the league. Michael i'm not to come from fellow. Who's in the league unethical. International great manager. You know. I think a lot people think because my job really was to lose. Possession dropped back physician. midfield full on really at the exit. I dunno a casino craig. Things good mind you know main object. I'll i'll say from would have scored more credible goals in the day. It all comes down to the bigger picture in the bigger pitches the team and winning the mountain of time dot If i didn't get runs zones on the undecided on gave me hell. You know what i mean so i to do it on. It's just we pause again that he's just got accepted an no complaints about the fix enough to do now. You got be very very play. Not that type of position. You know what i mean. So away especi- alesi a lot people try it now on kanu. We'll plan do not. I'm not in multan snow To simply not you know to me. It wasn't a chill. It was positive part of the job pasta jobs to make building the best in the business now helps fantastic. I've got no complaints about them. Which fullback that you preferred playing with them because he did change bihar. Harvey was gibson often. Wasn't i think. I think we give give. It was converted winger ungiven light. Give light to attack great great defended. Don't get me wrong. Great defendant on england cops at be ideal for this day and age. Sometimes i'll get full strikes giving give me the ball because he ate want to get you know you still think he's a wing. You know what. I'm going to get positively with williams. Say give it me and support me and that was ideal for me. So you say you're nibble on the best was so like lehman. Deysi amadeus he. Once said to me when a combat he said what we know what the blue backing up. Get off the bleeding picture. Don't give the pitch. I'll kick vr. This is my job. You could up there and i thought i wish i could play with him all on. What another like ten years. You know what i mean but to know in different positions you know calling a great going forward for all of y'all greg gumbel give. It was because he had that winger instincts in wants to get folded undo things himself. I will ask my job. Give it to me you you commutable medium magi like killing a pitch reality like for that situation where the other series. Give me and say. Look my job. You do your job. Now which suited me better is the best full. But you can. They're all the same audiologist. Different tracks remain. They're extreme Players and prose which is always very looking to and he's got to stop bleeding pitched kick it. This is my job like you normally typical irish. Like you know what i mean. You couldn't do it. Kosonen gimme a break. And he'll say well you know some a lot people forget federick. He didn't play that year. losing political. Forget him you know what. I'm and it shamed me too because in injuries you know. He missed out on the chance of being. I've been league champion. He broke his leg while he's playing for stoke city as well. A few seasons before injuries. Geddy deduct check leader zadie very very powerful powerful about you know and he you know he would have been a great asset to the squad of players like i think so. This looks at the time thinking what these young kids coming through there. Also swansea twenty one. Peggy he's song as thinks he's got us about ten years out these so there wasn't it was for mickey to get into side which is sharing that he was excellent plan. And a great bloke as well what we're talking of gabe an fullbacks. We've just got a renault. Wasn't this season but there was a scenario in the changing rooms. We've brain and jockstrap wasn't there. So you briefly tell us about accent was quite humorous binding me phenomenal calling calling games on these lightly. He's like showing off influencial and so on like if he was playing football. He passed the bulk in much. Go come on. He's always trying to get you know that's just his nature. You know you know the time we thought he's just being a agriculture billions. Probably knows more than without supposed. He's all chinese shelton impression on before the game. You had the planet bristol city on this jaw jock. It's not the best night. Misamis touching the toes in front of a joke shop on. Believe me like they're so like he's doing in front of on brandon nominal louden addressing native. He liked obsolete for on a great player as well. I'm brand new. A character like you know. We have still cold deep. Eat algae On what basis you put it on your legs. Warm your legs with father gives you give it was bending towards these tolls with all these prize asset showing. Well next thing we know this is chew. you're on rye be ringo's on rides right round it. And so his went while yet. Thank you for calling gibson dinner. Time to get a shower or anything. So he's put Straight out. Obviously mike be with the sweat sweating on to say he got to roast and he did but it was common. Who's like chickens back sabi and come in what we tried to do was leak cities thing to do with the and was getting Trying jumping about certain what what makes it hotter and let's say well. It was walking like john williams at the end of the game right. You know what. I mean up. We had a great bunch fantastic bunch allows and and that's what made a good when she lines maybe took the pressure. We appropriately went out the bristol shorts or not. But we're not probably las approach. He's bleeding minutes before the gamble giggling. We're getting we're just what the gesture room like you. Gibbon of never in cinema get off the pitch to quick off time. A flu will not bleeding tunnel ride into the bath. And then honestly let. Who's alert is what that happened. You need somebody out in the end the day the you'll kids at the time. Nineteen twenty twenty one night. You know what i mean. So he's able to but he was good. The that's what made the villa side you would side. There was no out fans about it. Like you know in in a laugh on the bus coming up about a. I don't think you could sit down on the seats on the when he got to stand up in. The white house was red light main but i think he learned his lesson not to bend over in front of limestone. She often joked shop because something. We'll get still right off his private parts you stay with. Who is your roommate beginning. Citizens sides roy dahbi gets because I used to like his clothes. You know. I used to try and put a few remind bug at the end zone. Duffy dresser david was a phony story when we went away. Run away again. This season a ruby. Getting some friend who pay in america new stay america and he said to me. Is it possible that you could take some gear over me bugging close I like his scale as being a scholar out these stars. I thought what. I told him they were lost. In you know can get onto but what what are we going to go to all to. This charles is not to fit me. 'cause obviously was told them me. I've got all about it then. What they want their ten to his looks at me said you scouts. I just forgot all about like domain. But no i'll get. It was a good boy. is appropriate in maine and completely different. You know what i mean. He was like a. do everything. Correct what. I was just enough to co flight. You know but he did have some fantastic close. In i o zambia so i a few Good excuse not able already. ma'am you. Stop getting sunglasses. Closed multi go the same dresser money where he would is getting change toa ellison. He reminds you to this day. Full years down the line. Honestly phenomenally difficult was applied on the left wing employed for seed as well. Because apparently you went to the left wing. It's replaced light and johnston us. Well no well. That's it got. I'll tell you know in eight years from nineteen to twenty seven to ultimate krill together. I mean pablo jews me. I was right on side of midfield player. Press in voted mean Nothing was the only one or two ideal windy Implement as well taylor. I think two or three Division patriot on the twenty three rd president as right onside midfield player. And then i'll know So what was nineteen twenty. Everything was shooting for me all the big little job to me on a but i was the right side of midfield player. I'm also coming on a went down so also in they knew an about me phenomenal football club. They said we know. Renault right. saudi blah blah blah. What we you not going the side where you're gonna you're gonna be the seasonal thing getting. You're gonna take joe. Johnson winkle joel john travolta jodie larger on. I thought well take his prison. A good Lobby more than happy and things and i didn't go to also went back and bubalo My council outstanding legal to outside a big role in know chauffeur-driven blue wall in the present body and he and his first world series sound for them to go. You know what was approved on the you know about it. But what what. I didn't realize what do the so leighton james about two months before the tuna tuna tuna fifty thousand some I was going for hundred thousand a so. He said a first words with us usa. Not well he didn't give don't know agents then we had no agents whatsoever then so you you still gonna situation where you know. You've you've only just out skill you know you got no quality. You're not you're not. You're not the most yamanaka a degree in so like a i don't know what abessole intelligent intelligent Fly you know young not invite not sell this binny's busy longtime is a very successful business. He said well. I'll see it to more motor so a found game the same when he was also baugh. But well you know often assignment is also said yet off. I didn't have to move out first. Division santa's arsenal made me get the whales a right sided midfielder ami debut on the left wing because he was picking on shocked a huge music piece because he was gonna love to stick from the funds to so we thought the best thing to do and i was so late. James will get dislodged info off the price in the fans. Got off your back yet. I was i was the right wing so on alleged aside that was struggling really was to be on Never forget infinite. Because so i put a halt in my career for three or four years. I mean steve coppell was wrong. The same time as me. Who's playing trauma i know. Disobey in steve. Steve's a great kid i think i had more Potential lead leading the right side midfield and in that witting fifty sixteen cups in the yona went to me united. Would i saw a still both a a pro wrestling show as so saw thoughts missile. One look at this going to be situated and this is going to stay about no afternoon just left four. I could always used Don't let me wrong. Would not you know not as close to be ice level so just practising practising on protestant i. It must Proven right because locating so you know in a connecticut about billy the suppose been with antacid to this guy on a man. I met one day i longer. An a pablo just was giving us a bit sticker over so minnesota when i've had enough of him on his memoirs dot dot ladder. Don't mind ultimate career. You know if if i wasn't very strong strong willed could been finishing football. I could have dumped simple as outlined. No but i thought well. I'm not letting me i want to keep on going about blah blah on one day. He said it has a bit. They because iran the clip. That was his bob law. Let's get some correct first of all as a person to me he he. He damaged my career. Not so it's the barely football club. Not in a way you can ask for it. And they all e was building full vocal. So let's get that right but as a person individuals who wasn't the best person. And i said while showing got me a shaved day off the day went into some little beats on because it was hauling the big team in the all lopez fonzie bit skillful pleasant hearing and he took one look and say well. I said when you told me get miracle cuts so. I think i think you realize any. He wasn't going to it wasn't a women was it wasn't to control me like he was doing. The rest of the players know that was a online. I saw ongoing Fuel you know. Fuel feet a few Console like dictate. What i wanted to the rest of my life is all i want to make. Simple is up. So when did you move to villa on the boat and hide it combat. Nothing what he was. I was talking about men shook up. I played against villa in a reserve game. Not and i'm almost about a game. Just reported in the funny thing causing was in preseason. Please end of season when lewis seasons finished. I was in cellphone right through right. Oh strana chase this newest back to the home somewhere like know what you can't say chase him a often. I get invited. Bought light belts when you do. You know you're not you know six weeks off you you've been you know you wanna you know. We're not monks out also on a. I got home late obviously had a few share bits in the house grandparents at the time and the grandparents. Some us lamonica mr Phone bucket non vehicles they will run songs is also up. Get his phone. Call it nine immonen speeches on nights where to scalps voice. Would you be interested in villa. Well go she would simply out with a lot you know. It's a massive blow amend on a play for england youth. This realize how it was. When i play the news we what used to do these against the two teams in the nfl cup final season and not doubts as it was evident villa necessarily liberal villa. So you have to play that moment away. So like the traditional against the tape Before they'd be a year old on a medical field with sixteen thousand phenomenally went sevilla part. It was eighteen thousand youth game. You went on the picky. So that big gave in needle like sani think was closest in remain and was always had some connections home late. You know and says again. I'm coming down. So you know. A drill down in own Bit strict as he was. He said typical night last night. And out of the hellenistic out if it probably could smell me breath on any said. We're very interested in building a team for the future. Some great players here you know i'd like to be part of it is going to be on work in new. You know you're not gonna get the side a fight position so suited me not yet a segula. Scientists influence on. But what a very betty through geeze from medical. He said the over found a problem. We said you gotta pro. You're back we'll the first thing i know. And then then he said oh. I'm going to see me go. i'm going to look at the specialist on. He said he's probably us. We're going off your soul. Most app Will give you a bit less analysis and you think you grateful even challenge. There's nothing wrong with just typical songs over the years. I've realized he was phenomenal. Playing tricks light not like you know. Mind games. I say signed signed off. You know you know you gotta probably butler assigned and the rest is history to be here so Yeah it was Was very foresee my gun. Hunting cuts out. Nurse might stay the night there so we wouldn't be talking would we. I did you get on with run. Because i'm an vince. Vehicle out of the village. Boys and certainly brian little used to one broin open. Fat brown may run there. And it's a one punch you in the face. Lebron's cyborg one and dolby. Yeah well at every thought me and run straight to meet me gordon. Cowans and got. She'll incredible outstripped was well. Then you know what i mean. I wasn't his best make unknown. He demanded it demanded that you know that you world. Can you turn your job in not no problem you know. It took his only about got williams told his about ten years ago. And he's fainted songs in the actual reunions Why do you always take twenty more got. He showed off tunisia. Look a monitoring your people. Like i said he should take towards never take off. He was a game was imbalanced site. Never take them off. We used to take them off the simple reason you keep on the tolls next game you know and i think cyclopes haiti come off. Because it's not like it is now where you kissed by. You get booed. You know what i mean but it his way of keep you on your toes. He said he keep on the toll. So you know you won't be the same personnel at salvage ship between them table. You know they'll be thinking. Well i'm not gonna play next game. He's taught me off. his game is mind games. Like you know man. It's only when you get old. You sit down what a cover money was. Mental wants owning to his office on i. I don't know he wasn't planning for. Simone reason on our phone call from chauffeur taught him on a big run for united onto monday night during quiet. Look what's happened so i'm not planning so we'll always incested so you obviously even thinking. Well taught me monday nights to musi clubs and we're not playing villa. You know couldn't wish to to cloud. So i told the lives. That's a with a couple of closing sniffing around and other grain of on in his office so when you when you his office to bonomo. Hazy was only very small office. He was always on the phone. Oh he's always up this big cigars adult it you say to me when he was trying to get one of these hunt snakes down on a go fuck me all mind. I'm thinking what's what's now. Oh then it'd be blowing smoke in the air and be going all right one second. I'll go phone call. Bill good looks like the plane. While you know you know probably downfield mr shankly go look. It took me four years to realize what see israel is not. I'm done phone interest. Just a psychological thing in there like i'm gonna seven sit down. I'm busy be speaking gone consume anybody but it wasn't just the way was like you know very very very shrewd and then we put the phone. Don't mean you gotta slight problem anthony. We don't think yeah. Well when you go go play you crump here. We go again. Well he said you can initiate combat like bram. You can't do this and you combine like pizza. Widow deadly small talk thinking clemens. All my godson going into thinking. Oh the decent play them. I'm getting slow too on. I'm getting yourself Sliding down the kid. You know what i mean sliding down going down on god. So he's he slow to me now. I'm sort forget on swim now. The nfl gotta get elderlies domain. No i'll be planning on in the weekend. Saw up to walk out after sloth many said a such an even if you don't right minimum not you i'm useless is an any close been interested in me inquires about copeland thinking so as a gun to the dole about yards away. I've gone to the gone so your mom asked the up. He said yeah no chromosomal. We'll organize what is fox in rockdale said. Get out the look on you trained in this afternoon so the last week of the solid on this. I'm not knocking rockdale. But he definitely money united tottenham wondering so got a slowly explodes me. It made me realize i though he just he can stop me over as me like you know what i mean. I so you know when the komo the gambling to look at something phenomenal you know. That's the way he was in the so he could get people and he was And i've got no complaints. He used slow to me in a gesture. Newman golden cowan gotti joel looking but we realize is a new that i don't ability will look out for yourself. It's the decided may began going back and dropping winning tackles. You know which i mean. It used to take a houston prances into into the bucks. County tackles main show. I don't Chiloe maybe we'll winning to use it the easily I'm on a medical showed. I spoiled once. We come in out some well. Don't do this blah blah blah. And say was brian mcclair. News terrify you know University tacos children moldy out. Brian would want to sign anything because he felt he's spitting on his light. You know what i mean. He wasn't just so and he wasn't. What about Ability wise here's what we're going to do audible. And that's the way he was. You know you got to whip you know we never presidents. mcdonald's maybe missed taffeta these giving him. you're getting there is right is on percent right. You know what i mean. It said you know you've got to win. You push little battles in the way he was and see. What are you doing with song is in have used to watch. The ball used to watch his players yet. So you you'd come in off time and he'd say will what you do when the over the eastern have been another twenty thirty odds back so if the full about speaking to you instead of being. They're so used to watch. It was like a chess game between all these players was in a you know it worked out so is very very soon. It was so simple. What he to say chili's discussed the dead bulla line. Trust at all the lead out. We'll get to do simple as out. You know if if you get enough zip on a route again a corner. A second second rate really. We're now people. People get down the clapham. Don't like it say goes. Okay you know idrive gets deadbolt on cross. It gives it strikes about chance. Like you know so I think it was very very hard demanding. Botha mainly is right at the end the day you know i've got nothing. Overseas passed away. No nothing toll respect for him. You know so We don't let me wrong what we didn't get along with but we a lot of people thought you know to eat. I dislike him. But i know what he's like. Annuities personality but you start to please him. It was symbol assessment. We didn't do the job he wanted to get somebody else to do it. There's no excuses you do that you up. You don't do the delegates from yeltsin condition. Listen at the end of the day. That's all you can really absolutely. What spin down know. I i. I mean mates komo from the on on friday. May i always check out day. When i mean by shaking about days i go out to train on his friday. Put some shake back down unaccommodating. Somebody is playing for the weekend. You know that he wanted time. You roller locks on the disturbs me. Like papers in a nurse sprays. Not if you know assault line on our up. And i didn't smoke has some tim whitsett in wastepaper bins. On the cabela's come down with my going to smoke outside and put the dock usa doctors in in in the inattentive. I said look. I'm going out duke. Lots deliver pill news. Lovely komo nice and what they went and don't who've at the cigarettes dope up into the you've i obviously didn't think i thought he was out into you. Bet on the obviously yet to put under stirs on a it just after the game they went home. I went out I went out for meal. Miguel friend i wanna come back the complete the shell the shell decided just completely completely mostly on. It was a cigarette because evacuated. That wasn't gonna just got going the big A thought going into the flames went to papers Paves ignited the the contest. The bottles contain it like this patient and they just explode on not the door when if it would have been in their house he wouldn't buy but it's a smolder causing damage but they also say that cologne coming on coming to drive the place. Think jesus christ on you know the very quick. 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And i felt it just told me i thought i was going to strangle the outlying romanian so i thought pulling plus seven nelson now eaten bleeding romaine no yellow but now is it was an extra time at time to change the goalkeeper monday nights at maybe fifty paternity as well. His name's michael one grace. Miami eight hundred rounds. I'm on a bit stress on a plane. I mean mccain is to send it to ball betas i mean i sent to stoking in just the cloud the automating hell of a difference and what it was five but listen life and mountains. You know what i mean and we say it goes up in an expert in You know it's it's one of those mind. I can save nothing no clothes. Nothing dodge down when people say something faces smoking. I mean the small places. Smoking was the fritsch. Like i said there was nothing there. Any early remain so On just one of those seventy on on the funny thing was fifteen years in barbados and told me advocate. Babe's not industry restaurants tone visit house a five minute. Put your your house. Fine for the fighting. You kick the plan so when you come in completed all them. He is drinking in a restaurant Defines eli donate phenomenal. Really you just want a small world. It landed incredible. What also was incredible. Was you'll go against everton at at goodison voted golden season as well. That must've been if you could reply. One of the games of the season would be right inside. It would be that guy not the goal the foams allies in evanston because i was always always odd place to go to ground 'push supported on top yet a great stagnant playing because you can send the atmosphere. It's like it's like a colosseum you go into the stands up on their on the pos appleton the first twenty minutes economic beaches the crowd the man that you know on a it was just you know the the overall performance we were super. There's only one performance we put in baton out when when we beat liverpool convincingly beat appeal to film but not one against everton so on this set i Not not allegoric One saw his magic tricks again on the friday song. Goes you set pieces and free kicks against manly against the people who wouldn't play squad plants in the will so the i team has the prosser free kicks yet on. Always give a big key to the lots. Were planning so we want what to do without you. The wall can take the piss any. The will the lots of look me. Say something going on blob done. Obviously they're taking the free kicks. I've got no interest china's a and like you. I couldn't get round yet publicly. Well i've been consistent lot. Susan of mr game in dome will annette walker. And obviously the planned. Parenthood felt like wise. Well i know you like such an odd game. Evidently you know we need eleven proper pros like you know. They're going to be honest. I know what you're going to. You're going to buckle and with all your friends and your family you you'll be showing off could be doing illegal flicks doing this not we. Don't we need eleven pros. We gotta get results matter there. Going to be acid and blah blah blah. So i think he expected to be sit on the bench. Some i'm thinking he just walked away so you don't play them without reason because the flash twenty two things and i honestly don't wasn't it signed a time then you didn't have mobile phones out so people say. Look on. get your tickets. Promo plan toll bombs obser- Good us is at my table. At lowe's a family and friends you wanted like to play in front of them at goodison and all that is only nutshell any also regarding out now well pissed off. You're going up to live to nominate meal at a male and still going to go to some talk. I'm dejected. it's to bolster just gone. I'm thinking on cacao play this like the lights know that i'm a bit paid off the situation. So they're staying away from me so we're gonna addressing his communist took his gloves off the about maxim down that about to change your mind said I think the things At annoying i think the m not packages you'll up my be too much going back. Tony you back in the side well my gun and only once again in my sis joking. Why meal for one too. I just wanted to get out the on. Just chilling a property wasn acid. I two or three minutes in fiber lebowa isn't it could could put twenty defendants omen and nobody's going to get the boat off announcement of on the shot to be for. It just says it foot on. Of course. I didn't mean to go in that top corner by mets with the target. You know what i mean. All these people say the pros. Elias they all used as a child to make sure you get the target. You're the chance but soon as if it before you news is gonna use big save always going to be a good goal like a goal so you can. If the gulf you know the sweet spot he went on a move gave him two fingers in remain mardi gras but he does. His job used job. It was like a ball. In the puppets rate is waiting to explode investigative them. I'm saying he ain't gonna take in front of my family no way no way at all. No so you don't get the overall performance is absolutely fantastic. I mean i got golden citizen. But i think for the move more than anything else really not guilty. The ball left the flow and then he ended up in the top corner. Really so You know very grateful for that. You know a one. What once was on the tricks again. The best album. He never said nothing to me. On the wyoming other said well well play any pulleys office on a monday morning said hunting again. Took the dreaded anthony's criminal. I thought the best of senior play lula were one or two games on. It won't say that he's one or two game. You know blau instead both too afraid to find you under pound above what you go. I just said i'm going to school. Another one is no no no you being put things to me. Go out and trying to find you under pound but well don't believe about all this as about finding appropriate. I realize it years ago. And i go. I got goal of europe as well bill in it than the sand. Fine to own equate. But not on a i realized why. Don't million-pound alison sola fines. Again off me. Lighten remain so not. It was a phenomenal team performance. As you realize made people think probably voting interested in salt like individual. Nora points plan team. Nicholson now is. That's what it's all about paying side. You know you don't get sick seven great players and the necessity you know you decide you gotta have a side is gonna work work feature a you know about the most important thing to end the day. Now you roy. I mean that that turn on the lawn by gary shoulder about superb warning that little into your feet you within just smashing but you did reference the get the goal done mo- berlin the bryce that you scored. You scored one volley nanny or the goal was just incredible. I think he'd come from their cohen. Didn't need the balls boquets bounce. Now you've got that deep in your off and you've gone off lorca. Grind people didn't pitch evie mobile so it was Pitchy the probably the pigewoman. The memory is very very bumpy. The picture on i'm buying don't get us out on wide. I'm out wide. So you know you get your border this summer. Time time thinking. I'm thinking now got time to think the ball is going to go over the crossbar. Do things instinctively noble. What it was. The goalkeeper was about six six massive betty. Very toll not not big bulky with toll on thinking. Well i'm really outspent. The ball's bouncing to try and chip and he's gotta be really good to be spot on. So i thought what i'm gonna do mckee next. Who's next legs kagi down quickly. So maybe a lot decision Beyond me shelter. But maybe decision. I'm believe me my oldest about five secondly seemed like a minute you know these people coming down to keep coming out with a big trout in court found the champions league. You know what i'm thinking. I think this is not likud. Also that could saw you know uninviting woman gonna do and i just. I'm just going to the david at low mostly kissed lifted up just It sounds arrogant. But i know six when the bulls closing. Some affair know what can do that. So know after pinkett and you get on and just went on On it wedding great goal once again around round gives is the vase never said nothing to me after the game was pulled me in the office on the mundi as well know some for the i was technically better the zavalje. Yeah and i'm gonna keep it down to him so a new to do not be low right next to him because he but he sort of very told where you can get down to cause some Telephone new i have to do that. He went in but that was. That's a goal. But once again i'll go back to like situation soution game if you will the for jimmy. Rimmer saving penalty. That went out for a corner. High wouldn't have been in the position to School that simple A say jimmy said he went out for cohen came out and i went to school on. That's not one not one say from jimmy and At any team wins anything. They one slice Change everything that was. But it wasn't a lucky was excited that jimmy. They've jimmy on a saturday. we went to they. Were fantastic side. I think they villa park. There were great side. they were on a genuine. It'd been opposition so every time. I see jimmy now evening. I'll say jimmy you go. The season it inhabits forget european goldie a- an- an and never gets you'll say may not be about city in game. May you know so it's all about you know some of that game. I think we have to three reserves goodson islands and play brandon's buffet. You know that's such a good splutter young players coming through really so he folded it really so. The european cup turned on on jorie recife. What did championship team that. What was that defining moment. What china probably. Well we'll beat liverpool. I would say we have to give us a thing. Beat louisville paul. We'll be an easily easily beaten to nil. You know they were. They were the benchmark and thinking. You know we got a chance. You telling liverpool's overnight you know and if you look at dennis soon if any support you can listen to this. If you're gonna put me. Look i'll go. Were in a year cookie when played look at small central. The poll never ever left the flow. It's on on what time of the year it was. It was a backyard. Backyard marfo back. It was bent round show up in saudi state longingly. Never from the button on desmond roundabout one one. It's apple kenny swain than a backyard. Fullback not as surely time israel superbly surely not delicate posse. Outside is full. I mean never left the floor from a corner rights on conan in the neck negatively the flow that will lose all about so vinnie Wanna look you. Don't you do against one of the greatest teams will live with tool in better that easy. Not so good. That team was like you know it was almost the perfect team goal. You're absolutely right. If you look at for midfield ruin a log log midfield doisneau moisture log dennis mortimer. That was just the perfect. Golden that you summed. What villa was all about was going back out. Kenny swain talking again. The bowl off imminent coming up and attacking. And who's i think twenty bucks. Its showery you've got to really get full backing on the outweigh line cases. Running going short superb. I mean it wasn't the possibility the way to the past week as the most important thing you know. He's before he goes could go to ten years but he was in his path morton Change strident we Tennis not position. Eight hundred ten. He's going to school. Yeah and the ipswich game. Do you wanna back against those. That must have been a defining moment. In u season was making a bit of a rival. I feel walk when i wouldn't switch. Listen they should side and let let's level. We play million stupidest bill each. Maybe that's the best. They played against that night. Well the copen away from them. We shouldn't be with reading three times a year. We we should be certainly beaten twice but you know we did whatever happens weakening but that game. It was a it was a mistake. It's a can t to mistakes off. Give them go. But i remember playing bills and make meals Outweigh like once. He stayed ten years. Batman's own off because obviously done their own welcoming. Become girls. want to get the ball is going to be. I feel strike useful straight now. Say they don't home. The homework realized. It's a bit lakhan to be. I like go look to game. It's gotta show us go. Go go go that high school two goals in from my mistakes and he took full advantage of it will what we didn't like the lonzo what was saying in the tunnel celebrated the one everson blah blah blah. And would you recount. Say nothing bit if you were Employers really natural ship where you know then saunders stood atop listers will stay on. He said you won't be laughing. Made i love. You know you won't be laughing now. Sit around the words and he got his said was still gonna win. This was still win this week. In way to all of those plays grammy sets. You will not be you will be laughing and cheering. Make a long long long way to go in this league. Use proven right. He also proved to have about the in the kickback with the boys at a at a few weeks from all the time like dilemma. llosa obviously wickedest made up suit convinced in him. Not necessarily. But i'm thinking i'm brian the a butler coke coke in his and he was on the bench. I'm i'm sure to bit allies. Drop of brown v not light. You know what i mean. so yeah he was always a brand new. You get it down your late night. Pizza than las knowlton them with jimmy removed all other big thriller but it gives the unless as well like you got to show them in eighteen ninety s. And you want one down one down you spit it out. Get warmth and you're like you know there's always brand new to was a but i'll tell you a funny story about work. Right probably was the time. Maybe think might be not season but maybe better o'clock dot tacoma dr target. It was absolutely recording. The saints who sopot at the saint simon semmler dress superb and pretty did like a drink. Any likes to drink. It was a very good clip because it was that good when you see international boxing onto the anti. There's many many years ago. It was the fellow to go to when the boxer at problem so it was Not just you know boxing on. So you can't get that level without ninth but it just drink lots about the boss. And then one game kevin nolan. We went over the tokk cam knowlton. Don't his on bloodstock in alta the this big messy gosh in lagging Comment obviously native Doctors in directors box. Better come down to the changing room in a so gone got into. Nfc can gone now. We didn't see can't to gaming up in and there was a time you stick chopin in the club a little room. We could go in the same canton. The bar after they always for believes have gone in there told me soften massive gushing malek. We need about four or five stitches so the clean your milton. The butler lebron come out. Ken went salva drinking the dogs. That are not making get on the new glasses on wants to go. Well we'll stick our will believe he's doing stimulant but that's why the lights was such a good bourgeoisie was part at all. Like you know what i mean. Very very good at his job. Don't get me wrong us. He's just taking these situation winnings talented. Who's one of those cutting. I'll move is one of the you. Don't stick with the but that that's what made you know a great great townsville apart fantasy really so you want just a great team on the pitch you would write him off the pitch. What amazed me is not many international coal ups for the credible any. I mean you talking about within a small today daddy. Sheila main know out than small minorities enforced twelve thirteen years. Top-flight midfielders good. Always the top ten midfield phase in the country. Always you know. I'm probably going to on the league. European was could challenge anybody yet for the talk. Midfield player to navigating tout was not suit and once again getty show in other keeps on about critics. Now he's twenty five a shield when everything by the time he's twenty one never got when england cup just you know. It's just ridiculous. Resigned gordon cowans. When he got. I don't nine with your. You know i mean enough got six but i mean you know you get one all the bishop you get one owned weather but i mean is interesting. I mean kenny swaggie. No it was. It was the best about same at the time. Not really you know. I mean you could go through that side. You know chemical never go to the scottish cup. You know to me just a little bat now and I'm seeing the whitecaps. Are being thrown out now. Left right and center. I mean not against like this walk ins at bill at the moment. You know not better than gary show. Yeah you know what i mean. It's just a got. His show young european played year and everything he never never owning up. I think golden talented was twenty four. He's been playing fun south since seventeen. But he wasn't just the time when you look at west brom as well. You know big cyril derek. Took him years ringling. Cops was it a better. The for the suit elisabeth left-back indebted but someone raised in midland was looked. Told it was. You know for sure but no you finish the game. You know you you look see. Some players gain thirty full union. Cops and i'm thinking you know it would be nice. You know maybe thirty forty cops which was capable of getting but it did not been as you gotta get on with life and do you know what gets me about monday. Football clears go. I'm not not the sandwich southgate. There were giving capsule and putting people on for two minutes to game absolutely ridiculous. I mean giving david beckham caps just for the sake of it yet. Let's get him up. Put him on a supposed to be honest to play for you. You can't do not just give the sake of it allowing a what's some plas- getting caps and komo two minutes not gonna care but at the end the twenty is time people the gets the he never gonna commit suicide. Say well you got them caps on to me. That is completely wrong. You've got the earned the right to get in on on think this day as the just throwing for the segmenting in each wrong really absolutely and inside in noise one you in the league next to you in the european cup and hardly a cap between the loria in fact when we went to the world cup in knowing tonight there was only peter at the villa squad this That went on. Oh just phenomenal argument. I got voted Ninety two vote in the french. Tim is in the coaches the coaches i think what was called for some french magazine was regarded as the best in the business. Come out once a month and what don't that was the got three competition. It was the first his copenhagen champion certain european cup on the coal to each team to vote for the best eleven and i got voted in in european. I get in the accompanying squad like no. He's absolutely ridiculous. And the thing is what what that does not mean that always miller few. I'd already proven that was all about will couple of the on the plan against fight against anyone. I got the best all of them so us wide for me. I'm not saying. I was the best left exam. Not left wing. Let's be honest about that. But i i. I'd ability to do things differently. In other fitness not get open down on a the will would have opened the doors. No question because i was always to scoring spectacular. Not that i mentioned it was just some never thought that i could do it. I mean you look at david plot. One goals changes all life. You can spell jim in ornament on this what you realize your e e only thanks bryan. Robson was injured. So so he can is. That will cook. Those omeday can go and a disappointing. Because i thought he would suit me down to the ground but again often an announcement if gotta get i think the most annoying thing that went you would get on examine on his kid. Printing the desert look to win the league and you know when european copen not goal is just a list. I don't expect like not taking cain alter next championship You know what i mean. Simple as know incredible. Yeah i say. Dennis i speak to dennis. Sometimes i look at people like winning. Think i'll let us know. You never got an count in romanian and you know and it was playing when he was when you played in midfield. It was very very physical. I e every game was a physical game. And you know you're getting you get busted. You only had to twelve years in the top class. Thirteen top So you gotta give him credit not not many people who've midfield played played out long in midfield unless you're paying is successful year. And then he get young kids around you to continue work here then. It's gotta sure you know a a say kenny swain. You know you can come at no. Was it a to censor off about the cabinet officer betty much-touted with you know it's a scene you can you can You know when you think of it to some of the players got more than is with to slow plays teddy going to name and deysi northern if mobile than foam lies play you know what life and you gotta get it. May you know. Just be grateful for you. know what we had at that time absolutely on the second of may knowing eighty one at highbury stadium. You notched up your seventh league toyland for seventy one years. What a fantastic achievement. You needed a point going into that game. What was it like playing in that game. Villa took a following okay. You didn't wayne and a number of idiots will you didn't win book. You won more games than any other team over the course of forty two. You wouldn't twenty six games that season. That was one more game than liverpool. Won the the Before we talk about the asking geiman was ready song songs that remind you of that football season the aston villa. Now okay. can i say home game. He's call middle. But when you asked me down from i mean the return on the free games everything away yet. Nothing liberalism would really it on the wall with the numbers. Were not because we have to be. You know 'cause bills with what was a a good side. I've never seen the place we have. I don't think they've got all about off. You know. I mean absolutely on a domino. You know once again if people have a look at what's simply games. Everson away go in the middle of the told me. If i'm excited it was you know but not damaged we. You know we knew after you just did you county. There's the two teams that we would have beat him out after that. probably the best performance. Probably beckon liverpool gameboy. Eventually boost when you know. They were like the dogs heavy team. Your wants to be beaten quite reasonable. We know we have to go in there. You know finan performance. Everyone everybody nicole cuba you know. All the way can number eleven phenomenal performance and the arsenal. What she'll memories about winning the championship on that often. I think the thing is update. I remember the crowd phenomenon trying to get up to the gay and support but the buses going down all the people bidding and all this and you know you think all go out there and you think you're gonna let me down. They opposed to phenomenal onto the for two man. We were you know. we're not go. just fell down. He was one of those days wasn't the best the games and i take dominate life. Not not at all we. You're still performs to our best ability know whether or not we know we don't know but that i mean i mean that. Was the biggest club season on six pelly. Pelly was there and everything. That was. Just an amazing strange. We cannot get to the ground. You don't we would get into law the and one outlet crowley's. I'm soobee phenomenal light. You know want to go beyond what she was. I flew global. I think if you look at the second goal on mocking for someone reading. I'm trying to tackle the bill big center off. Know what the hell. I'm doing this. They get these young. Let me put it in. And they're just what they also not disappointed. Underperforms would have been great part of the phones maybe got a point there but it didn't end the day you know what was wrong going down and we didn't realize what it was and then obviously the game is crowd come on we just takes hundreds and hundreds and you could have been dangerous. So let's get off obviously going to address when we that champions writing until let's get let's champagne open. This very would have been nicer. Go out there and you know. Put the phone zone to get the championship. They're you know everything you know. That fell down. Then we will jumpings. Yeah we let down because we would have been nice to put into considering the performance of the week before and you know we could have put that on against offi destroyed. Awesome as well but you know maybe as just one of those situations who knows but then a day off because you know. Let's let's get another few element spinning all team champions. Somebody proud of absolute like any song goes songs that remind you of those wonderful days of knowing tonight the. It one season tony. Tony moly not really everything majors is. It was a pleasure. If i say you when it wasn't hard because playing with some fantastic place you're probably doing on your money. You know exactly what formation you could do and you can watch you watch work. Don't get it wasn't but you don't call you actually yourself so but then joel on on you know to see you know what pleasure again. I don't fall competitively out at once again. It was nothing with the players is politics was gonna full of. It would have been nice that you know you know if you cut it on the table. Say there's lots of most important people said he oughta pink. Obviously you're going to force your planes. And i know anybody who's making this. We have a book coming out this year. Dennis with all this spoken old story will be enough in enjoying people. Don't really know this this really getting this. Just look at the games. And i think this should be played and still easily. It was absolutely the most fantastic job by any waste. Midland team ever in history full. That's how good that performance was and good aston. Villa word is italian top. You win the league. You wouldn't a european cope north said about the super bowl. You know we saw gonna you know so yup news easy. I mean you look at the second leg in something up three or four reserves in you know what i mean that was global sector years tacoma. No fault among cocoa got is completely destroyed by owner. I personally feel so with great supported. 'cause i'm not fit. Obviously that sounds like a great new side with the youth courtland centrally. Open the central yuppie. What brian mcclair. It's only delay. Go you know my altered poll. I some fantastic players coming in. I don't wanna see class would have been no questions it'd be in t- told us on the on the in in in the in the cabinet no question doubt about it you know as an pray you can be so you can sell be selfish. I want to immortal. Because you think you finish create on it would be great for. The villa supports won a few more figuring grab probably get that taken away from. It was nothing to do with the teams to one person. you know. it's disgraceful. And i feel i feel supporters sometimes because the certainly could have been more. Nope no listen. We would been moved on eventually. We can only natural. I mean but when they come house twenty eight with the prime and that was me finished i on a couple of months that go blah blah nine mostly relating about news finishing the news. What are you going to fantastic. Setup you know was wrong you know. Small rumble in eight years. I'm probably the two worst him could've could've been you know for my career. I thought i'm going to want to cover truth. Simple what will be out. And he's like you know so. And i feel sorry for myself. I'm the players because we you know we're in nice. Look soltys metal was passed. The pressure fort was only probably ten percent of of of other of appraise window up awards in when you know unisex set opening the place good enough to be to emoto vi's gotta take it goes later date massive up to now of this thing out honestly you know you nice but a lot. People don't read back the story. One day in the lock. People are gonna be enough plays. Don't realize expect for teen. Here's what things go quickly. But we don't know the story behind the chair. Oh we want to. We'll come out. So when you look into roy antonio and if you got somebody to rotate for you feel now first of all now to join the letters okay. I don't know what he deemed lie. You know but it's probably another fifty. Don't know our elvin you know this is a lot we do get i stable news years ago. You know people to slow to do anything because it was always about like you say you know. I'll i'll tell the suit. I think i think the villas it should know what actually happened to some of the players as well like no hope an to make living to make a living in my you know when you when you were also get the baby ready toughening. No you know. Get most success. Satan away for ya. Not because some of these better because of politics is wrong may remain completely vulnerable. Well put it this way if these people are now took over in the eighties around learning took over when villa would have been a superpower. You know average to win one everything. In mid sick we mom vermont. What about the team analysis on the aca us got when you know so clearly cycle could success five six seven years like you know what i mean but but one thing is that i think we have a bucket just never never out which is always a bit as a bicker patient in you know you mobile. I say like goes on. You gotta get on with things on absolutely tony. Thank you so much for wonderful trip down memory lane and from oil aston villa supposes that thank you very much sir about this. The mountain at the medicine for like this year is got because of a cold it got many. We really really looking forward to these days. I mean suppose like you know what i mean. Because that's the only you know monday photos forces don't let players. They're all little cocoons. They don't wanna. I don't wanna make suppose from the over there. We enjoy evan. Bayh was supposed to the talk and like no. I'm but hopefully next year it'd be combination of a from the champions on the european cup so maybe my evil i'll becker next year oakley cold dissipated and not time sold and listen to this disappointment economically. If you'd okay next year look gration league and you're looking is absolutely top man net. I'll be helping you as much as what i possibly can tell a dumpster. Listen i nominated so well listen a with big okay all all all other absolutely fantastic. Thanks very much changed pal thanks.

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Gab and Juls: Time for Harry Kane to leave Spurs?

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Gab and Juls: Time for Harry Kane to leave Spurs?

"The he's tools to skies over west. London are relatively blue. That's a good thing we got a big show for you because there's a lot of stuff that happened around. We got a tight races in in laliga and in god we have chelsea winning six pointer against big butts start with the league cup final. We got native here with us. The you're actually there. I just want to start before we talk about city the fans on tv. They're only four thousand there but it looked good. Did it feel good as well when you were there. It so incredible having clinton spend a year hearing nothing. Or if you're at home hearing somebody just press a button basically say it sounds like a video game. It doesn't quite hit the same. And one thing i which wasn't shown on. Tv probably was even the moments when the planes come out onto the field for a warm-up to be chit hours a player you could see they were excited. The funds were happy to see that play again and energy basically card on throughout the game. And obviously you know the stacey funds. We're obviously happier. But even for the spurs funds themselves to be able to see that it's such it gives you a sense of hope and being there as a theoretical neutral impartial to the result speaking He was great because the game felt different. People celebrating corners. I've not heard anybody celebrates a corner for a whole year. But now you have that excitement and the drama and attention of things which aren't really significant felt great and he felt like time's going by so even though there were four thousand there they definitely made their voices be heard on that day. Engender the football manchester shady. I left her late. One one nil with the report but i thought the game was entirely one sided. They could have put this to better pep guardiola now. I need them. It's a crazy statistic with an. He's i think he's won more trophies or as many trophies since two thousand and eight as barcelona have something something. Mad like that city. We're just a bridge. Wisdom clocked for the spurs with with ryan mason. Yeah yeah that's that's the way. I think i think spurs will and it'll be disappointed because this like a game where they had nothing to lose so to go on. Have a performance where you say you have possession. She's expected when you play against city but they had to shots of which only was on target. And you ask yourself. Was that really a case of like a winner-takes-all giving the goal type situation for as much as as i say we can talk. Look at the negatives they'll spurs on the as you've alluded through that thought since you were exceptional. The way they move the ball say they're sets obey true game planning play and everybody was confident and feeling it as a consequence almost well as a not be for second grade the spurs going to win that game one. No because i've seen that before in years gone by but since you on this particular day they'll clinical at the front no clinical at the back in terms of this stuff to get towards goal and stuff to protect their own so as a consequence you look back in real moments threat baseball down so i think the lasalle social which did well to save. Put aside from that. Really not much spurs on the day because city control the ball while the made limited amount mistakes when they need to and things. They made sure that they did it. So dispose concerts. I wasn't that dangerous. I think that spurs when across the halfway nine so into cities half before the seventy seven th minute or something more seventeenth when you literally in your heart. You can't even get the ball. You can't even kick it. you can't do. Nothing does how good the pressure was from city. And i think we've seen city being a bit. Certainly is dominating in the last in the last few games the leads defeat for example or even against almoner times per different thirty of thirty three games. You know commission thirty thirty three is just incredible. Yeah i can't. Salt makes too much given that he just arrived. I might question whether marino might have done the giant barricade a little bit better and then maybe somebody falls in the box. You snap something together end by no one thing. Sorry to jump in. And i understand a manager in ryan mason so uncon- changed teams hotels. Philosophy will bring his plans in space of a week. But one thing i saw from the get go was that block was more amidst will load type blocks so as a consequence that allowed city the chance to gain momentum and get feel for the game moving the ball around without really being on at any pressure and for plays like that once they get rolling and they have confidence before you know. You're in the situation. As as first birthday didn't really search the ball for the first fifteen minutes and when they do people probably tired. Because if i go side to side back in back and all this stuff so i would have liked to have seen him slightly more aggressive we can go and may maybe a bit more. But instead the people at the back in the midfielder's receiving boland's no pressure under the no pressure plays go from being good to being great and it just wasn't supposed i wanna get your take on something which i've spoken about endlessly before probably will again one of the things that bugs the crap out of me is we in the media and this includes ex players like yourself say players want to win things. So harry kane needs to leave spurs to win things hurricanes too good to stay there not win things and whenever here that i would love to have alan shearer francesco. Totti mattis all of them. Go round to these people's houses and beat the crap out of them and say you're talking nonsense because us weaning where we want is worth a lot more. But i want to ask you where you stand because you came through the ranks a big club. Do you feel that I think the hurricane exempts. There's more pressure and in from the outside. Then probably him put on himself because for spurs even though they haven't won anything champions league final has been so other cup finals and i think they ultimately sailed in terms of their shoe the league sides all but at this stage career could have had three or four trophies already but we only we talk about them as if they don't even make finals or don't make anything they all falling at the final hurdle but then not that team and if things maybe would have gone they wear certain points then. Great but yeah. I'm this movie. you could say he wants to go. Here wants to go. Wherever obviously the financial climate and sends the football limits where it can go anyway. But there's no guarantee but places goals guaranteeing trophies anyway. So he's got more chances in san clubs chances but it's not it's not a guarantee especially given the fact that for his style of play now as well he's probably not suceeds for every club as well so for him. He's playing for spurs who theoretically team. Who wants to achieve things spurs a long way from city right now but in the same breath in a couple of years time he used to say that the got might not be closer because things do change within the game. But it's going to cost someone off money. And ultimately i dunno can afford. It did the thing with kane. And i think he's a great debate. Because the the difference with insure insurer had one before going into newcastle porn. And then didn't win anything but at least he had one before. Hurricane has won before hasn't won anything Himself said it's three years ago. That interview on sky. He said if three or four years tom. Osborne won anything with these club. I'll be very disappointed. So in a sense what is disappointing. Wants to win. I mean he says like. Oh if i don't win three years i'm going gonna learn about the difference between you know. He's individual ambition is and what he feels. The club's ambition is as well. Nathan is right. You get to finalize good but if she if you're going to find that you can win anywhere like the one on sunday. I some point. He might feel frustrated. And my thing you know what it would be good one day to find where we actually are the favorite with my team. Yeah it would be good. But what's even better and look i. Maybe i'm still stuck in this romantic saying because i've i've been fortunate. I've met people who had the privilege of being fans as well. As professional footballers play for the club. They love but i liked the idea that simply playing for the club. You support as a kid and the club that you intensely love while also performing for england breaking records and having a tremendous career which he is having. He's worth more to you than to go off to join a suit another superclub a bigger superclub. I simply win stuff as a passenger. If you call winners pills i. It's his decision right. But i just want to know. Do people put value on that native. I mean if you if you have your club that the us support. I should. We mocked and criticized. Relax ambition. i mean. I would understand it just left but all i'm saying is can we also just leave the guy alone and say what you've provided for your family you play for the club you love. They means more means more in a way that some of these freaking mercenaries who jump from club to club the club win stuff. Don't seven years of his career race nor messing arrese given them a smell goals. I'm saying that's something to be applauded if people want to make different choices. That's fine but can we get off his boxing unique to leave to win stuff I i think it does matter. Because if they if they were winning these things he's doing as caps and he's lifting the trophy he becomes a club icon to the whole like an the next level higher than what he is now because the goals themselves you know they count but the pictures of say. Somebody lifted a trophy. And you say that's you. That's your legacy. You help me to happen. I think that does master lots win but the issue that he has. Is that when you talk about you. Compare them to or the players. You have that type of goal record and they all play for clubs who are winning things so spurs themselves. They just don't match open up to retract some through just a little while ago. Because that's all it's about spurs making its cup finals but ultimately i think or the teams as we see in this we can looking at say less or if you look at less than a cup. Final said effect southampton coda qualified for the cup final. I don't think that necessarily confirms the you are a great side. Anything to distance between spurs and what man city are what city what liverpool were and things like that. I think that's a big concern. I think is a far bigger concern. Because he seems like he's shoe good to be playing for a team who aren't one of the best teams because he's quality all demise is essentially at times. It feels like a woman team. You know you could argue him in on their their you know their invaluable to spurs and they want to achieve widespread chief and what they can achieve seems to be two completely different things. I don't think he'd love to stay in be there and he you know he has clubs other clubs interested. Maybe who have higher prestige level and all that good stuff. But i don't know we can't leave them alone because he's like i go record is in the top tier so you have to consider you can send its you bring about some plays in the places where they're playing in the places where they can go and unfortunately spurs are not part of that conversation right now this is not latisha. The england captain dc. This he's one of the top five best strikers in the world and he's been for five six years so i think you know you want you want that debate to stop. I think just a natural debates for himself to have the debate. It's to say to tack him and say he lacks ambition. If he turns down moon-dust that's the what he wants to win. Rights to everybody. Every player wants to win right. Yeah no but you you wanna win. You wanna try your hardest. You understand. you can't win and if you play for a smaller team that might mean more to you. You're avoiding relegation. Might mean more than going to win at a team. That's gonna win whether you're there or not okay. Can you not going to move the needle. Okay so imagine. He sees his friend johnstone's when he's at the euros weeding. Okay just wants is wonder the triple the travel. So the chimpanzees is one of the premier league and he's wunderle kept now. They have a child in the room. Yeah in post finished eighth in the premier league and lost another final. What how'd you think that commission will go has johnstone's i don't care what asked him but he could also carry johnstone's if you were there right if you disappear in a puff of smoke and emerick lapore played all those games in your place. Would you still would city still have one pretty much look and you went to see on the bench. Start every game. But that's what i mean. They're already winning without him. I don't know. I don't know i just this is just just gets me. It goes back to when. I heard graham soon. Is this taty and say nah he would have gone we. We'd be blake romance and said you know what i wish allen cheer would just show up and just turn you into little puddle of oil grand discount. That's what that's what you've been odds you've been let's move onto. Let's move on to something else about right before we move on. Let me point out. All this becomes moot right. Because he is the england. Captain as you said and all england need to do in the next eighteen months or two years or whatever it is when the euros and win the world cup and he scratched that it. She's got pictures of himself holding up a much bigger trophy then got club level. Then it's on and suppose would have won the world cup in the yours indirectly the way west ham on the sixty six psalm. I just wanna talk a little bit about spurs because in this game i was just kinda surprised at some of the choices that he made again. He's new he's coming in thought. It's obvious game from bombay plan. Especially if they're going to be playing in that way relative to perhaps guy also yet complete though even soco a thing. There's a case for someone strong. Who's going to run a law and put you know. Put them on the pressure. This is what you need. More than having a harry wings. I'm not really sure how rings was doing in that game. I have to be honest. i don't i don't mind the guy but he has hardly played this season anyway. So don't tell me. He was on great form before and he was in the starter. He wasn't and i thought when the lineup and then he was confirmed during the game. White our wings doing in that final. I-it's english understands the importance and the prestige the league. Cup final whatever's emory. Clappert nathan as defend as former defender should have been sent off. Is that two year old was the first one. Let me let me rephrase it to us marine. You were still there. This is all that we've heard so i don't think the first one is yellow cards. I think he can be given for me. Look the second one. He gives a yellow because he knows she didn't give it the first round and the second is probably more ucar in the first one but the first one. I don't know i don't see it. I'm the same as you. I'm the same as you. i could see. Maybe but i didn't think this one hundred percents yellowcard and then you know the way. The game goes. Epsco cod days. Probably not gonna make the second challenge anyway so we could say should even set off and so on but the to events on independent so like i said i. I didn't think i didn't think he was. I think he has to be off the field because he did too horrendous offense or anything like that no i could oversee the first one and obviously people get more. It's about it because he scored the winning goal. Now that's why matzos more bosomy wasn't that wasn't a yellow cuts mute. So it's well known. I always struck by something that were a few days away from that huge game against pice. I'm sure you it's me against you. Thankfully because no one. It's unions awards but a few days away from that. We know how he's one what he's got. What four league cups at home. Now plus you know. This is a competition that cities seem to win all the time and yet in this game with all the talk of rotation too many games i think there were three changes from what from his best eleven Staffan who find fair enough. You play him instead of edison. Because it's a cop Stones which was enforced change because he was suspended him. And then the other one. You bring you bring out the old glory and denia in place of rodrick right but those weren't changes make cra fitness or to keep people fresh. This is this is what you correct those three changes. This is his best lineup. This is going to play. Studying was wednesday. You think he's going to go with striker. I or all bernard. But i think he's more again from an environment left back. I'm not sure considerable. Play ahead of the janko for example so they might be might be a couple more on top of the three the because i looked at the state administered. This is best lineup. We know which those those three caveats that wrong or bay doesn't even have a best lineup. I think two months ago essays probably got sixteen seventeen you can rotate in and out. But now i'm probably looking at more. Maybe thirteen fourteen because we can say channel. Sichenko is a very good player. Might be in anything. Play that role but i thought can lawyers. Today i thought the whole back four played well. I think there's a low confidence. When you see kyle walker inside as well over say can settle on that side because for as much as kyle walker doesn't really bomb on the game with crosses and all that stuff sure this is type of play. He wants to be on the field when you play against him by name or something somebody who has a best speed about and So i think the city lineup. I think he filled a lot of confidence. There was a surprise. Well it's maybe it's not surprised that stephan played because he's played in the other league cup games but the rest of it. I yeah say still for debate now. Essentially bargain i think. That's a toss up. Because i thought the only played really well yesterday as well psa pepys. I think he's very very fortunate to have those players now. Playing a game like they did yesterday which now causes a headache going into the next game where people you can all believe in the fight. That whatever's going to be asked for them. They will be able to do because technically i thought it was brilliant yesterday in the way that steps up all across. The board was very very impressive. Because i thought the spurs for example for free would be a bigger threat but we finish the game. And i don't know if hurricane how to shot i dunno son how to show. I don't know more how to show now. This isn't a ninety game of football away. You're relying on that front three. So i think he's i team if we make those three changes then yeah rotary and that then stones. These stones tossup as well as moment that brings me to another point. None of you have mentioned the center forward. And i go back to one of the things one of these. I think. Pap is so relevant not perfect but he's so relevant and it's so remarkable what what he's been doing. Is that one of the old myths about football that we used to hear all the time growing up. We still hear it today. From from some people is that while every team has you know you need at least one thirty goal season striker striker. I feel i mean he probably up with twenty goals but like he doesn't have a centre forward he sees in that vein. Here's a guerra when you can debate injuries and whether you should have come on and you know he's kind of fading on a view His contract is up gabriela. Zeus saw some games. Yes i'm games now. I mean this is pretty unusual because even great teams that have very prolific. Strikers still had strikers who worked off the ball were a big part of the buildup. Miss team can happily play without a striker with debrecen and foden alternating upfront. Sometimes we're not a silva Can you talk a bit about that. 'cause like growing up and stuff did you ever play against teams like that. No not really not really the The concepts of a false nine throughout most of my career hasn't really been a thing but one thing about say seats now i don't even i wouldn't even say false nine. They just have have four six zero exactly. I think he's very clever in the way that they do though because those plays especially the ones. There's an emphasis on the players who are white and those plays out wide. We'll pin back the full for the opposition but then that creates more space for say a soda or debris while she's there with gonna win and financial rodri- or whatever that overwhelms people in that spot. Because i think he's realized overall say the two cents for the opposition to call it what it is unless they incredible ballplayers. They're not really that relevant and you can control the game just in front of them and not drag them out because if you drag them out you'll see sterling running behind you see mars running behind instaflex. It's actually it makes you think about the game in a different way because as a defender you want to have someone right there to play against this. Is my boss here but instead you end up being lost but the place where you find your guy their overwhelming other teams midfields. So that's it's a very very clever thing to do to be honest when you look at so stats from their games. And so on. They played without a number night with benign or whatever and they create a lot of chances on particular days if more clinical. They've got potential score goals as well so it just goes to show that the system itself which very used to when for pep across the is. He's these challenged it. But unfortunately i don't think people really know how to deal with it because he's doing it in a way whereby say you're asking you being asked of different question because i remember it was. I think when manchester united star rank explain and pet was by munich. I'll never forget seeing ryan giggs standing on the left hand side in a good position. Defensively but philip lamb was nowhere to be seen because he was in a completely different spot. Book rankings know what to do anything about of imagery summed up the sort of change of the guard. because essentially. here's a guy who's one everything is one of the best but now he's completely confused because he's now being shot and he's being asked to do something i'll try and figure something out from self which is different so facility like i don't i found out i feel very happy to see the fact that these days you can have sergio glare on a non an another number nine on the bench and it literally make no difference because the amount of chances and potential goals to be scored will be exactly the same an is mind blowing. I don't know how that's the case. And the also thing that to to start the press and i got bridges is is fifth player guerra and grow never been a good press of the anyway all of the guy who carries the ball. But i think if you haven't been under civil giving the burnoff info the no rhyme sterling to go and press and to go and get the whole team pricing together as much better this. There's more than the number nine. I've never been good at pricing anywhere from ski but the rest is rather ucla number. Nine news hoppy and ready to go and press and hustled the guy on the board the whole ninety minutes but benadryl silva does it and the burn can do and foden etc and i think that's also a reason why in all those begins we've seen no number nine's is because the press and counter press. I think works much better without coverage us all with grow. It also works because the team's center of gravity so far up the pitch Nick always want imagine like if a worst team. If a less technically gifted team tried to do this they would necessarily have to maintain a pretty high line or at least a very compact distance on the last defender to to the to the play further forward at becomes very difficult to do because then the opposition can just play through you or hit the ball over the top and become so good at countering. That i'm making making sure that they're not vulnerable to that that you know because otherwise on about team if you say oh let's play without a striker means. There's nobody up there. I you inevitably played a game in midfield but they play the game in the final third. Not what's what. I think is remarkable about this and even the you make a very good point there about the press and so on but when i do what i'm looking to see them in the stadium the backlines really pressing with as well and they understand the 'cause i always service i think he always live and die by frontline because if your attackers oppressing really well the strike isn't as good so it means you have to defend less because as i say you can win new jewels win you battles the when you continually drop enough dropping off dropping us and plan against the good teams. Anybody across that line can play a pass which is going to help the other team gear on the front saw but further team is a lot harder to be on the front foot light yesterday in the cup final. They're trying to move the ball side to side between the old dire but the plan the ball to die on his left foot and he doesn't wanna play like a good quality bowl but he got someone on his shoulder and nobody's coming show but then maybe someone comes showing roles. It's the him. He's got somebody on his back so it's almost like they if their lights have possession. It's like the allowing yourself possession but no territory so don't actually gain anything and if anything you want mistake away as we saw a few times yesterday from them all of a sudden making that switch and they're all in the front floor with good speed all being able to dribble all being able to make the right past season mostly saddam. They make the right decisions more often than not when they do that. You know that they can be absolutely anybody. Final point on this because gills and i have talked a lot of super league and we thought a lot about the super league. But i just wanted to get your perspective. A little bit I somebody who's who's played in. The states has played in last. Which is i mean. I'll be a super league in the sense of me on the super but it is a closely you have guaranteed you have a guaranteed place No matter how badly played ralph salt lake weren't gonna get relegated to the us l. Yeah it changes a different dynamic. Obviously different culture over there different model Like we've all gone through about how they did such a cack-handed job of explaining it and putting it through and power to the fans and all this stuff but what was it a different experience as a player when you when you played there when you came teams that you know maybe we're bad teams that new the nothing to lose and yeah yeah one hundred percent nights so even so you about my story to go to america as i decided i wanted to go to the league. He's have to do research about which teams go international sports stuff like this because obviously the system's very very different so you chose salt lake city specifically for the nightlife right of course for the daytime so anyway so like i say You find out what clubs can take you at this particular point. In the season you see how much money they've available and so on and remember orlando could've taken me but and they will bottom in the east of the time those conceding three four five goals every single week. So i said well this is this is like this is an easy one. Major spoke to them and they said now. We're happy to lose this year. Try next season. And that was the first time i've ever heard anything like that because i thought like what was what's going on sitter anyway. I had over there. And i was there for the last third of the season that first season and you realize that point for some of the teams who have nothing to play for the performance like just drops off a hill. And there's no there's no consequence to it and for as much as well it for as much as system is runs in line with the other key american sports realistically looking like this because they would always ask the question. Will there ever catch up to the leagues on europe and so on and so forth and i think i is a geographical issue. Where if you plan at nighttime in the. Us is the middle of the night in europe. So as a consequence you not gonna get the same sort is on. You say you would do in england where An early game kickoff in england is seen early doors in america in late in asia. Something in the sweet spot for that but you look at the last week where people have been shouting from the rooftops. We hate the concept of a close league. We hate it. We hate it. We hate it so even though the mls could bring in more players raise the standard make the high profile ultimately for every word that was said about superleague he can relate it to the melas and people's perceptions of it and that for me kinda shows if they do want to really compete at that level the model that they have for as much as financially stable for clubs and so on and so forth. If you really want people outside of the american shows to buy into it you have too much with the model that exists outside of their and. I'm not sure if that's going to be the case and like i said there were times when i was playing where you plan against team. He was highly motivated because they wanted to win. Support to shield planning sixteen. Where like they counting down the weeks until the seasons finished and they might be in the bond to three but if contract for the next year anyway so as a consequence he doesn't matter because player turnover is nowhere near as big as say it could be in europe because if you have a disastrous season you know you get the point where every game that you play matters because you're trying to secure future either at that global somewhere else when they're molest you can kind of go through the motions at times and it's a shame. I like that because of the say in terms of competition it could be a lot better when people at you know the consequence. Even though i'd argue some of the real consequences of say relegation have you seen yourself with. People lose their jobs and so on and so forth. That's not nice. And never try and sell it to an american to do that. But i also used to say to my teammates. Some of the best football. I've ever played when the pressure's is is absolute highest. Because then you have to find something else and goes from being at times in its worst case football in america for certain places like a hobby but then you look outside of america and football best when you play at your absolute best when his life or death and you have to perform and that's an exciting ceiling which i think everybody feels in the united states. Yeah i think at some point they have to figure this out because the closed system works in the nfl or the nba in part because as we know is coming up soon is you've got dropped. Nfl draft coming up on on on thursday for example. And so you do get that turnover of teams where you know a team can be bad by you know and team i support. We don't like to admit it but we can't our last game so we get a higher draft pick next year ha and that does tend to distribute that does tend to create a turnover of champions but but the draft and emily do you have a draft and molasses completely different because a lot of the best american players. Don't go through the college system so you don't have that automatic Kind of turn you know At the top so now. I think that's a great point and i think I think one. That's that's worth remembering. Nadim thanks so much so let's be back all right enough of the caravelle cup. How about some quick hits instead. Go god around. Marie held nil nil by big zoo. Mix things up jewish not even benz amok could get them the points too much chelsea on their minds too much rain in the first half. What excuse you wanna cop with. There's no. I don't think excuses. The right word is yeah. Maybe they are the minority on chelsea. The tony crews was in there. I think is is a big deal village. This was on the bench. Rodrigo stunned the same sense. You ben zimmer didn't have much service either madrid was quiet it was only because amirah really are thought who has something to show for and we're trying things and he was just nine enough not enough chances no enough other mental strength other than ever go going getting kind of sent a message that obviously the champion us more important when he played nacho at left back i thought okay you know we. We really don't trust marcelo in this game five k. him. Nobody thank you for for you know. They're a good team but they could have been consistent to again made some couple of gray saves so quite messy. So antoine agrees. Man comes a big as villareal. Two one away from home. God were you impressed. Will you out that boss. Our west crumbling displaying the last half hour with an extra month after the break-up of trigueros no because it's your job to point out all the time all the flaws ronald kumon there were no good right now. Either i don. I think you're right. There were a lot of mistakes on both sides. I think it's really encouraging if you're barcelona is obviously the fact that greece greece's mundus clicking clicking in that role in a way that he hasn't before you don't need messy to be superstar messy On the day. I think frankie diong his performance again. The guy the guys here. He's there he's everywhere he's like he's like he meets the c o. I mean i don't know how we did that to me i. I don't know how we did that. But other than that. All over the pitch and look very there in the garbage that we never would have thought that they'd be in this position. I hadn't won since the first week in march so this was supposed to be simple for it. Let go madrid. It wasn't and they lost a now to lead is just two points tools to pause again. More played bosavi game against granada on thursdays. So you could lose that lead that they have. It doesn't help when you consider so early on a concert. Tycoon better to go really well. And whether or not lati- after the game which is not widely are really good. The pressure some irony created a lot of creating chances deserve more from this game than they got one point for about certainly not losing a point for show maybe three. You're right gob. And then but then how. An athletic teams like this dego. Similar and can concede in the eighty. Six minute on said piece when the market is so bad. I'm like wow what's going to. What's happening is not your daddy's simione as i know you don't want to count. Sylvia do so that we nova granada. Keep them in the hunt in fourth place and we know that next week. There's a there's a rummage with severe and barcelona article madrid. So few more twist can happen but anywhere. Tell me what happened at the end of the game with the referee. Because you remember that refer. You still have to choose to the time up when we played as kids. Yeah i remember there was always that nerdy guy who is a lot of referees are not how you're not inert but still i always like the door with a to walk to watches for a reason because watches. Stop even get you to want to have those in my day. I woke up with this dude. His name is any boobs. Bingo it was surreal at the end because the players would walked off the paint and taken off their back. We got to play another minute which is also because you decided three. Can't you just pretend you had a miscommunication with the fourth official in the board or say like let's stop after won't what would happen. If he had gone back on the pitch right could could. Maybe i'd say a game played. Something i don't think that we're fun ranking but by the way big big win win persevere and in papa finally coming good all right. Let's talk superleague. The official denials number of outlets reporting the manchester united's edward or formerly of manchester united Quit his job because of the super league is not clear if it's because he was against it or in favor of it or But they do say that he went and he met with officials of ten downing street. The british government chose. i suspect. Somebody's nosers are getting longer here. So you telling me that. I had no idea that much of the united way joining the right so he he might have. He might have known that they were during the super league but maybe he quit. Because i don't know maybe quit because it was such a ham fisted attempt. Maybe he quit because he was making stand against debut on the night. When you sign outs you wait you. May i like to maybe woodward sabotaged the super league for. Maybe he drew up. The stupidest possible plans. The stupidest possible strategy resigned from the each year. The monday morning after the super league on sunday night like if he was very much on the super league projects and been wagging. I don't believe any of it i. Nobody's gonna have any sympathy. But i think is interesting is the way everybody spinning this story. One way the other it's right peres. Continues his charm offensive and so none of the twelve clubs. I've actually left the super league and they have binding contracts anywhere and it's all still in it while the us president. Alex in says that they will evaluate what action to take towards those clips. And if those clubs can be punished on punish sanction financially fines live a neutral music next season. What can you do. I think there's a lot of things could do. I don't think they will take any action against cubs. I personally hope they go. I don't think they should because it's not default on the fans and stuff to fall as a place. It's not the fault as we said of many senior club officials were kept in the dark by by this absolute stupidity here in terms of what i'm saying i have no idea what he means. They haven't really laugh what they liked. The idea of a super league it's undefined. Point in the future. You really going to really gonna whip your your scumbag lawyers and and wave contracts sordo. O'byrne could come on man on size. He's goes son he's getting sides is posturing. Maybe he's speaking metaphors chelsea west ham. One nil as team verner gets back on the scoresheet jewels. This was a legit six point. Two three points clear fifth place now. Yeah you're always there on saturday afternoon and exactly why expected from chelsea in the sense of there were solid they clinched. You can cheat again. Ten fourteen now. I believe this is pretty amazing. And then and then they find the good rhythm going forward the one time in the first half where the actually put a good smooth together And passes together this court. There were efficient than they missed. Nodes and tim venice to other how you so. He's very on his goal. He takes the good is. The star of the movie holds the ball up. Well no problem but then be so bad on the rest. The the the chinese i mean. It's just incredible. The just touches the decision. Making everything i mean. Even one of the time was just could not believe it river. All those people who said that verner and harvard's needed a german speaking coach to get them. It would help it. Would how through a help. Because thomas to hold is a good coach and it hasn't particularly helped them so far. I don't know that there's been a great leap forward. Since he arrived in those two players liverpool meanwhile i had one one by newcastle who equitize in the final seconds of injury time joe wheeler after having inequality ruled a few minutes before that callum wilson all right so as far as different bullet concern to finishing up front is in. The midfield isn't dynamic content. I i don't. I don't need to see this at the back. Terrible defending for For the goal liverpool still created more. Chances to win this screwed up in terms of the one that was disallowed. Everybody's up in all look stupid. Vr off. i b- handball will. If the ball doesn't his arm she doesn't score which is simple. This is exactly what it was what it was designed to do so i have a lot less of a problem with it but i'm good story scores up an inca short. You like to equalize wonder goal. You like as well. But you can only get a dry fuel and tina and christiano mrs of weird headed sitter. Joel's top four finishes in peril. Now ooh is going to be tough and he's going to be really really really really interesting to see how you've ampere specially manages those next few games you know there. There's still have to play inter this have to play milan atalanta. I think as well so. He's ahead of schedule. And seeing how the post game where. I saw the first half again. We've seen many time. This season gab. Uva being suppo infers hobbs. I just don't know what was happening that. Just nothing on the pitch fabio but. I think he's saying definitely staying. If they finish top four definitely finishing top for they said. Saudi was staying young then. Some nights sucks. I and more importantly he also said onion lee was fully transparent in everything. He's done with the super league. So hey but doosan flower which seventeen goal. How good is only early wasteland. Go talk to me. Because there's no way i mean as much as we love committee frontino uncle because he's too good. This is too easy for him. Intertek another step. Closer to the of god between veteran one neil again another one here. Thanks to a late my diamond gold again motto. Domine if i told you before the season will be so clutch. What did you make of some vision. The disallowed verna go though i feel terrible goalkeeping from donald I don't think which was filed i. I think the rules are pretty clear. You have to have possession of the ball there'd be touching the ball or bouncing it for the guy to be interfering with your whole thing about coach to keep her. There's no such thing. So i personally think that goes shut off key me and even dunk contest said ninety five percent chance. We're winning the title nine. Nine nineteen ninety-five come on magic's united are held. Neil neil by leads and things even get a bit testy with reporting that harry. Maguire appeared to call fred. An idiot believe anything that we didn't already know. He's huggers on the bench they're gonna actually and other teams sits deep which also do like and he worked really well And i don't know if you put on the bench because he's deaf aroma. On on thursday the the europeans are the bruno is not that we've seen earlier this season. This is something that we've said all season long. Please go and get a number sees. That can actually pasta bowl. And i think everybody would be happy by unfold. Two mines to one in what was really poor performance and could have been worse to be fair up. It's nothing to worry about right and live on skis back and scored of the season. I mean minds were about. You're absolutely flying under both. They're they're shooting up to league. Cleared clearly byron tables and it was an alabama and tang were were terrible noise meat. I thought fly huge mistake on the first goal. Though then he saved a couple of other goals. Nothing to hear their win. The title and then regroup buscher dortmund are back in the champions league hunt to over work with early hole and goals means. They're just a point back. Are you impressed. What did you make a ju bellingham's red card impressed. I'm impressed because they show more mental strength of the world and because holland after going six games without scoring or competitions which never happens to him nice clutch again and that's exactly what you wanted and not power and pace on on the second goal was just while and then for bending him more than the record itself. I think this is a huge loss. Really just when you don't won't your best player. Maybe or one of your best players to be out for for the next game because of that. Red card i think is is for them and some huge games coming up them as well keep up with a for tuning win stood guard. Who have a sense of garb or the talk is about judy niagara. S- men so ma saying that it would cost thirty million euros buying wants to take him away from knife. Take yeah i mean. This is how they will release bliss. Officially we still macro rosa released clothes. We saw her one is known for naggus man. So i guess they fix the price right. They basically fixed a price which they can do in a free market. You know it's it's a totally different situation. I don't know. I don't know if you want to go. I think you know they're trying to create an auction form. that's why they leaked. The price of binds respective get older nonsense with flake. And then pretending like oh no. We're going to make him stay. We need to clarify. We've he's talk more nothing to talk about. Flick wants to leave. Let him leave. Go for the best possible coach. Want goes one is one of the best guy's pay six million. No one is going to pay. It would be extraordinarily if they did kilian mbappe a steals the show probably sanctuary man. We met three one and news even in marito e car. The inca nods good is do some lava just still drills. This was ideal preparation for city. Some guys are arrested. Nobody got hurt. Ya and bob did just enough the just go knock on his knee on at the end but nothing serious at all but mavrodi started played. Really well Name play to and dosso triangle between name all variety and then bubby which was the first time i actually push used it in that way and we'd be used again against city on wednesday but he's not starting. I don't think he will be starting out if an i know base coming back. And he's great and it would be great to come off the bench if needed. He scored a lovely lovely really cheeky bananas. Well if you haven't seen it but yeah all good you're right. It would be a different team. I think because martinez will be back for example for psg but it was very important to win an at that time on saturday afternoon. They put pressure on lille. That was traveling to joan. on sunday. who's played left-back jello. Jello cassava is three to choose from vannett has been all season pretty much so it just is. Maybe you don't need to. I think jello could be funny. Just i know it's a brief digression made this point before people talk about them as a superclub imbaba blah blah blah the money. But then you look at kind of who the squad. Sure but then you can say that i think for our. You wanna compare second eleven to manchester city second level second eleven no or even manchester united with remedied. Who's the remedied left by the reserve yet. Okay it's marcello thank you very much. Yeah so you know. I think the al positions were aloft in my struggle to have to world class players in that position even liverpool. You know what he's timmy. Because no i'm just saying okay. See janko co if he's not console mandy but also spent a ton of money on food box in the last four years more than anybody your man but you don't want it destroyed on five neil and piero said on. The show looked to be the favorites not other than to make the four in syria. The second in the table while milan would play on slots you on monday. And i guess any says he wouldn't want to play in the champions league invited but he wants to wants to any which she's a fat point. It's a fair point. It's also kind of like easy to say after the fact and sorry to the pacaci family. They're not going to be invited but they look really really good a little backyard blog. A bunch of guys out. But they're young team there aggressive team and it's exactly kind of game we figure if you're at that maybe the tension slides a little bit but nothing to play for. They have some gifted youngsters. Maybe some problems not these days simply steamrollered them. Check out the little the little backheel as well for the for the opening goal. That was delicious. City league remain top in neon with a dramatic. Come from behind victory against once again. It's barak who comes up big shoes. What a story. Why thirty five. I mean lead went to get him because they've got this really good connection turkey. They've got two young players there as well in the first team chelliyan yazigi and and there was some experience but no one. I'm not evenly nine kristof. Guilty could have even though party barack ilmars or crawlers. The nicest nickname would have three. We do so well but yesterday. The to kneel down not really against the run of place your own goal and then took the first chance really wellesley money and come by an amazing freaky just before the break. Dan give the assist on the second big mistake per capita. And then right at the end that counterattack one with the keeper. Just cheap i. It was brilliant and it's not good reason for psg. And i was not happy. Continue that an incredible game and leela so resilient. They deserve to be topless forgets to go. This is tight on to lose now. So let's see the way to put pressure on them. you know. of course daniel. Egg comes on twitter saying he's open to competition. He finally wants to sell all which declared that he supported since he was a kid. Got serious and also could other former player into telegraph for reporting Dennis bergkamp patrick. Vieira cherry unreal. All female falls in the bid. Just chuck them all mark overmars. Tony martin kin. We could go. We can go back even further. Why not you know dennis bono. Whose holiday george. Charlie george buchanan or something guy from the nineteen thirties when it was the bank of whatever who cares i wasn't lengthen the cokie. Don't want to sell anyway. So i don't know why we have these conversations. It's as simple as that. I think he's nonstarter. I think these guys are business people and if you put enough money on the table yeah you know. I think that you could get a share. I i i think in these situations You know it's not like we put price for the whole club. Because there are other shareholders they could sell a slice it. They need liquidity. But hey given who. Stan kroenke married to somebody far wealthier than he is. I don't i don't see. I don't see it happening. But you know it is. It is encouraging to me is i'm like i don't know may surprise you but i don't know daniel ac personally But if you're serious about this merger put on twitter. You put it on twitter after you've spoken to them speak to them first. Then you put it on twitter to turn the screws and put pressure until you get more cronkite cronkite blah blah blah. We don't like this yet. Monaco aren't going away either league now. It's only one no win for them over andrea Keeps them in this. But they're just two points back wish somebody Did you see when you were kids. Dragon ball or as well. I if i lived in china and we called it on border and yes i watched it. So we some benedict celebration is the songa crew kamiar Yes like superpower. The and i love and we somebody is such a goat and he's not always a start anymore. He comes off the bench but always scores. As we've said before when i co- often quite disappointing in first. Hobbs sir need in the second half because they've got such a big talent squad and niko kovac can make changes like benny de says fabregas golovin others a half time and he has five as well under three. They often made the difference in the second. Half exactly like that game against orangey on sunday and good on them and benny. They're so good. Sober a social media boycott to highlight on. An abuse would take place between april thirtieth and may thirds at the end of this week. God he so john. Fm by the faa the primarily. Felling what do you make of it like. I don't think it can hurt. I don't think all of a sudden it's going to stamp out racism And abuse. And i like the fact that it's not a twenty fire thing. I like the fact that it's so real weekend and stuff but they are. They do make money off of social media so this is also being standing. You know we're willing to give up a little bit definite I think that's that's encouraging. I think ultimately what's going to turn the social media companies On this is going to be a lot more than this There's the clubs saying you know what we're not gonna monetize by your social media company on until you guys come up with a policy that we're happy with that's what it's gonna take what i'm curious to know is will they invite other people the invite fans due to do the same will invite media companies to do the same. We've got big accounts that the count the the big. Espn account and stuff. Well they asked them to do the same. I will media companies for example. Do it given that. They're running a business and they have a duty to there to keep people informed as well I it's a good question. I hope they brought out the debate between Between now naple. Thirtieth joe are fighting to avoid relegation and now they've gone into administration king street the private equity owners Simply said they no longer wished to support the club financially. Chose this is bad. It's a warning about the risks that certain owners carry because we all talk about investment funds all outside investment and stuff but these guys are in it to make money and his they would tell us they have reduced jerry interest fiduciary obligation towards their investors. If they can't make money back then they write it on in the closer towns. It's as simple as that running a business. Yeah that's what they would say. Yeah that's why they would say. Although in france you own so of financial fair play or sony people who in dan suggests not everybody can just go and buy for book club in france everything he so tonight and checked and all of that and yet they never thought that this could happen with king street. Who i think. Maybe we're surprised by host tough things are i. Don't know maybe the the debt is big and bigger since they they re took over the club two years ago and media program out by the know that for sure results of the clever avin herb. Same way the collapse of the tv right deal that would have brought money into the club and the pandemic and the pandemic of course. But it's not a way that you treat the football club so you don't invest in football club. And i and i and i hear you argument what would say this is a business and the business was underway. This is what we do. This is different. You know they've got fans there's a community. This is a historic club in france. A big club and you just people like this. I'm sorry you conscious decide. Five games before the end of the season saying we don't want to pay anymore so do what you have to do. We don't care and just wash your hands you. Don't you know you are responsible for so many people who either work at the club. Support the club either locally or from from further out. You can't just treat a treat people like this. I'm wondering if maybe this isn't a situation where you know people talk. There's a lot of talk about governance and football clubs right now and there's a lot of push for the fifty plus one rule here in england. Germany i'm wondering if i don't if fifty plus one we'll pass because simply put if you choose fifty plus one and it's by by abramovich and mentor and nobody wants to do that. I mean nobody. I a lot of people might want to do that. But i think government and this business climate have no interest in doing that. They want to encourage investors. Think full different. Maybe you can take a step in that direction and say all right you as a wealthy individual you as an individual shareholder you can come in and invest. but it can't be a situation like king street it's not like king streets run. I'm blanking on the name of the guys running but some king street joined by one guy and he's putting his money in he's got. He's collected money from a lot of other rich. Who said oh. Let's make some money from football. Go in when those guys when their attitude towards risk changes Than he's got to change his attitude and he's going to walk away I think that's a big difference with glazer's much as we criticize whatever's protest whatever. It's them is their money that has got in and then they loaded debt whatever but they are the face of it. They are the shareholders. At least there is some accountability for it with this is pretty much nameless and faceless and that comes with a whole bunch of other risk. Just don't think the infrastructure. The regulation in europe is built for these types of investors now surely not as majority investor. The atlantic is reporting. Ms throw is working on a new contract with aston god. There's no way they can name anyways. Been too good for them. And in a few months where we stopped paying. Wnyc's will and certainly measured oser. That's for sure and finding some money again. Yeah basically. I didn't realize but the athletic and the guy who wrote that. Is you know as a national spokesperson. But he generally. He's weathering knowledgeable about arsenal manners. He said they're paying ninety percent of his wages. I i mean. I short it. That's not true. I i this is crazy. Whatever i mean all of sudden with him. And if they're really not going to extend louise and i think there's an argument that he's not been poor. This season Mistakes but he suffered that injury. I think he might pay price for it at the end Hey you're looking at. What between the two of them. You're looking at an extra thirteen million. Something like that. It makes sense could be way off no more than about twenty five million a year. Twenty six million a year between ozil. Davi louis do can play without a little bit then to the point that you don't need to go and join the super league too but you know. Obviously you've got to take care of smith wrote. They took their soccer. That's encouraging is gonna wanna bring up again. That's not good i like. I said one year left on his contract. You've got to sort that out to one or the other. We have the women's champions league semi finals at the weekend. And maybe surprised to defense. Like i mean sony. Wh a was the first of to greg games between she and buster another finished one one in the first leg in paris really impressed with the way they play in. Psg kept the draw. Shoot for them going into the second leg And then by munich beating chelsea two one. I guess chelsea will would have been the favourite before the semifinal overall to even when the yeah. That's yeah that's a big upset and went on for buying. I don't know if they would be able to keep that in the second leg in back in london. Certainly there were two wonderful games and and publicity. I think for women's football great god. We also had the first two members of the permitting hall of fame. I've been named On monday morning recording this and they aren't shira and jerry on to them. Although we don't really keen on the hall of fame idea we kinda feel like. There's a new hall of fame project. Every few years years ago was an fa hall of fame and then there was another one in the manchester as the museum of football and manchester. Think they had another thing. I feel kinda hokey to me like. Oh we've been around for thirty years. Let's now former hall of fame. But hey you're figuring out to do that. Allan cheer cheer unreal to phenomenal cat on share for me. I think the greatest player of the hall of fame and others put forward. And i'm putting forward that's fine I wish they'd done things differently. I still don't like the premier league demarcation and i know the primarily changed things and everything you know what can change things overnight in nineteen ninety-two primarily really became significant thousand nine hundred and i will say this to you primarily people when i go visit the primarily hall of fame assuming that he's ever becomes physical building and not just a website or some other hokey saying when i go up to algiers plaque if there is a mention of all the goals he scored before nineteen ninety-two putin the fact that he scored a hat trick on his debut for southampton all the goals that get written out of history when you do your rankings of the premier league's all time top scorers and whatever. I will be very angry. I might do something. I honestly. I might make some sort of protest chain myself to the alan shearer like a statue or dowsett with with purple paint. You'll be careful. You might not want to let me know this crap really really really bugs me i get it. It's a different concept. Whatever yeah but those are tough like goals and just. Maybe because i'm a share count. They'll i hate it when you take off shares total. I hear you. Who's a greater goal score schumer. You'll look put it all these years before she goes before com. Yeah that's true that's true. No idea who's andrew clark was until this weekend jewels now. I know so do many others. If you've watched the Scottish league cup final and send johnston winning it. You would have seen zander clark in action and then you would not have been surprised when he did something amazing. On sunday night in the scottish cup quarter-final this time only ethic kind of fa cup in scotland against rangers. I brooks as well. It was one into rangers in extra time in the last minute. It's a corner for sandstone. Send the clark goes up. You know as keep do and he has the ball which is then deflected into the goal but that level the levels literally the last week of the game to penalty and knock out rangers of this. Here's some besides. Those big bad looks like like. Viking is is great kristofferson. Johnson's domestic cubbies pretty amazing the year. That rangers basically everything. Va tremendous are also because what struck me was. How did they not rangers defenders not notice this sort of on his own john nobody next but he wearing green yes agreeing so maybe he blended in with a turf or maybe the only keeper. So there was greg who's white wearing white other no mcgregor authorities. Andrew clark was him. Like gregor's shootout mocked then mean keeping marks keeps for this every says he's only regret about the famous kick that got nine nine nine month ban by the early nineties was i didn't actually keep the crystal palace fun Who was abusing him harder. Uk with this No i'm not okay with this i wish you just absolutely shut up about. This could have caused. It could've debate the leg. We have a big debate about abuse online abuse. Whatever but you could have caused a riot and innocent. People around that fan could have gotten hurt Just just to stop it. Hopefully you're big enough that you can talk about all the other things you did if you want some some publicity for yourself. You don't need to go back to. This reminds you the time that he told people that they should all start a run on the banks and we all their money. That's a lot of financial system. Yeah okay right. That's all we've got time for today. But hey how about. We come back on thursday because again after the champion is by how about that until then i love the game. Love you neighbor.

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"The time his ally find out what's going on in the mls get laws. Maybe this podcast isn't that is well everybody up here. Every single day goes into the amish story. Try to great stuff and you guys From new york new york. You are listening to extra time driven by continental tire from kansas city. I'm andrew we'd be with my partners in soccer takito mattdoyle. David gas kaelin car. What's up boys week. Three in the books. We are testing our hypotheses. Now we had a lot to say for many months. We were waiting for live soccer now. We've got it there's an overload and maybe we'll have to revisit some of those predictions we shall see produce an andres has a pretty funny reminder of the day got big show coming up. We're going to celebrating soccer moment. The weekend presented by continental tire. You know what it's going to be or do you. There were so many good ones from the weekend. And we're going to go through the narrative fund zone because things are changing things are being confirmed. Teams are who they thought we were are was. I dunno i missed on that one. It's fine let's get into it. How do you guys. I've been sick for like four or five days of had my in laws in town. I just feel like emerging and i. It feels good. It feels good. Wait where you actually sick or were you faking illness so that you could lay on the couch all weekend and watch mls. Because let me tell you. I have done that. That would have worked out pretty well for me. I was sick and then preparing myself for an amazing few days out and about in kansas city. Now that i'm fully zoo. I lo- oh what's the best we saw at. You gotta be a rep density. Red pandas i am going to say. Probably the crocodiles. He went to the kansas city zoo. It's like basically pigeons and like what are you talking about. You're talking about about central park here. The kids cities. It was very nice. The second largest in america are you all right. Let's do this. I'm coming off. My second vaccine shot a little bit like flu. Whatever so if. I say anything ridiculous like that. Like minnesota united states cup contender or something like that. It's just let it go and move on. I'm event loopy. you say. Don't make a headline out of it. Maybe no screenshots. Nothing save for the entirety of time Check dot com. Doyle's mega column. Is that fair to call it. A mega column doyle. I think it took me about fifteen minutes to read it so i think that's pretty mega just trying to make everybody's bathroom time more entertaining. That's mad you did a good job of that this morning for me You can also check out. Full game highlights youtube channel. If you don't know where to get them there dot com as well. But if you wanna go on the youtube you can run through that and watch extra time right. Afterwards it'll work out pretty well for you. Power rankings twitter spaces. We're gonna do it again on tuesday. Eleven am eastern. We do every tuesday at eleven. Am eastern so check that out. The call has max broncos. Go listen to the call up. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. And let's get into it producing. The reminder of the day is that he is a merciful god written by anders. Not me and we have the chance to reverse one preseason prediction now that we've seen three weeks a games. What are you reversing. What do you regret on buyer's remorse. That he is a merciful. God you did do you. Guys can't let him on spaces anymore. This guy in space is a couple of times a start. Stealing himself amman. I don't think this has anything to do with. This is all well bruins fault. That complements bruin and alex roldan turning into a rich man sergey. Sergio dust is. What i believe is called him nice. So are the sounders mid shell is that a a regret. is that a prediction that we regret. Because we know steve zakarani was here and he was like look. We didn't get better. Did this team this offseason. I think we all sort of agreed had some doubts and they worked over galaxy now again. That was sort of like old galaxy times with the defensive gaps. But maybe there's a regret there. Maybe we were wrong. I was. I will put my hand up. Yeah i was completely wrong about the sounders. I thought they were gonna regress pretty hard this year. I think i had a v in the western conference. A preseason is that they would make a huge midseason signing as they almost always do but they're not even set up for that the probably going to add one of the young money under twenty two initiative players. But they're not going to add a new dp and between that and ladera being out. I was looking at this three games schedule. I thought f get two points maybe four points. They'll be sitting pretty. They're getting seven points. They've been easily the better team in all three games and that includes on the road at l. Afc shorthanded llc. But still brian schweitzer has saying this isn't a pre show man like the stuff that i have crushed. Bryant's metzer ish metaphor in the in the past which is like lack of tactical diversity Over reliance on ladera not developing. Young players Not really getting great performances out of his team until the second half of the regular season for the most part Like he's he's answering all of those questions emphatically and its resulting in a sounders team. That is not just winning. But they're playing really good really entertaining soccer. That's getting the most out of the veterans like will bruin and obviously railroad diaz has been fantastic cristian. Roldan playing this bizarro central winger role. Both full wingbacks alex roldan. He's not a rich man. Genius dust honors. He's really good. He's to the point where it's like. Oh god i hope. He doesn't young play for guatemala. Because he's he's gonna dime across to ruby rubio being's head and those guys are gonna combined for a goal against the us playing for guatemala. He has been so good and like obviously in any situation where you have players leveling up and looking comfortable doing that. The players themselves deserve a ton of credit but there is very clearly something cultural happening here with the sounders. 'em like that. I don't wanna say start with the heck but like the the head. Coach probably has the biggest role of men so brian. Schweitzer has this understanding fantastic soccer from game. One of this season. I was wrong about that. I thought fifth or sixth in the west. They are clearly going to be end up being much much better than that this year and of course was going wild and the group chat. Basically he said can't wait to hear about why l. Afc is the best team in the league on extra time. Look we did you. Did you right here. I mean what else did we see in this game. What did you guys see it. it was. It's a joy to see christian roldan. I kept thinking entry passes. And i was thinking about in basketball terms whether it's like finding the guy in the post or a cutter. He's so good at that. Moment of recognizing where space is going to be and then playing the right way ball at the right time and having that sort of like that little pivot. I don't know how to describe it the receive in one touch and then the ball being released whether it's ruled on whether it's through the lines whether it's across the box when he does go out wide is you were sayin' doyle i mean he is. We underrated him in our central midfielder. Discussion that is for sure. We missed on that one. I don't know we did. You don't think so. Has he started as a central midfielder. The bulk of his mls minutes yes. No he's been he's he's been a he's he's he's yeah he's gotten slid around but i would say i would say more than half of his. Mls minutes come in central okay. I just think it's tough to put a guy in the top five in a position if there doesn't there that's fair but it's also like he's playing as a number ten in a in a completely bazaar kind away because we've he's right like he's very good at those one touch passes and understanding where spaces but it's also cristian roldan. It's less about passing. It's more about his movement off. The ball is devastating and it just opens up so much space for these other guys and like huge credit to brian. Schnitzer here because first of all shall paolo as dirigiste but then joshua ten zero his ability to get on the ball and set tempo in distributing these really telling passes he goes out. You just plug kellyn row in there. He plays one of the best games. Kellyn row has played since twenty seven like there is something going on here that his team wide and when that happens is like bravo for the coach and i think part of it for seattle. They value experience right and just experience. It's a ten zero looked great last night and granted until late. Second half cameo but like these are the teenagers and we. We used to crush seattle for not developing these guys one hundred percent but also how much easier johnson ceo's life when he comes in and he's playing alongside christian roll down in palo head in front of mar or yoga and behind radio. They created an environment where they value experience they value. Mls experience as well. That's one of one of the teams that consistently in the offseason. They bring in guys like colin rowe. Who have been in. This league will understand the league rather than always trying to find someone from outside to come in and be the spark and be special and then i think it makes it easier for those young guys to step into those big spots. Shannon will be one of those. You hear a lot of noise. Background noise here. It sounds like godzillas on top of me that that was about three years old and has hit a point his life where he doesn't listen to directions anymore. Honors did this perfectly. I was going to start the show with ourselves. And somehow we went on a riff about seattle sounders. I'm gonna throw mine out here. I think i said l. afc for the shield and mls cup. I think i said carlos vela for mvp. I think he can still win. Be i think i would i. Would i regret saying shield. Because i think there was just a little bit too much going on with them as far as like one the health of rossi but also what was going to happen with the third dp spot. I'm not sure the shield was smart prediction on my part. Also because i'm not sure. Bob is gonna look at that. His alternate goal and sacrifice anything to get that. I think he will be more worried about like midsummer on than he is about the entirety of the year and being excellent for that entire time when he may not have a choice. Because carlos vela hasn't been around. Diego rossi doesn't look like diego rossi yet and thirty. P. spot is not filled and you're shuffling forwards in and out in and out in and out still like the midfield still like the back line like they have a goalkeeper. They've settled on. But i don't think supporters shield is Is my best work. Let's say in historically poor work when it comes to predictions doyle. I had seattle fifth in the west. Besides that i still like my stance is a good moment. Us to take and i still feel really good about most of the things that i said in. Pick some of the player ones. I had tim melia for goalkeeper of the year. I don't think he's played yet. A little bit rougher but from d months i feel good i know where matt how you feeling killing you rack and your brain here trying to go to the depths. I was concerned about seattle with jordan morris. Just because i think he's that important of a player for them and at times when seattle hasn't had him. They've looked how they they haven't had that sort of threatened behind or they haven't been able to use the wings and it's looked a little bit slow or plotting and the way symmetric set up the team. Actually if you look at the goals just still coming down that left. Flank and smith has got on the end of things got the goal. Got an assist but the way that they've been able to use him. It's been really good. Because they kind of us will bruin s somebody that kind of talk underneath hold it. Then he can spend turn and then they find ruidiaz but they still use those outside fullbacks on forward. I believe on one of the goals it was. They were the two sort of furthest up the pinch. to to knock it in for for smith's goal so That's been impressive. I have to say. I still don't think seattle is the best team or going to be the best team and mls. I still we. I wouldn't jump off the afc trained this early. I just feel like i'm still there for co baby and i'm maybe there for villa mvp. But i'm not there for supporter. Shield anymore okay. So i'm still hanging onto sports show. Because i picked them for that. I'm still hanging on for that. I guess my my bigger question. If i'm going to sort of do a take back already or or an early. I think i may have been wrong. Here was on minnesota united. And i think i think we all had them braided really highly. Right I don't want to get into the drug is solvent here. You had the rest but you should all have regrets. We were all wrong but they have not looked good at home especially a just lack. I think they lack some ability. They haven't been dynamic at all Losing malino has really been tough for belo comes out. He hasn't quite looked up to his standards. Cease looked kind of like searching for partners or partnerships comes in and he just didn't really have that sort of dynamic movement and didn't fully fit even and i just didn't look on the bright bright spot was the seventeen year old Way of mixing it up and getting a couple of chances. But you can't really rely on that right now so the question is like how are they gonna get goals right now. I think they're still gonna be a tough team to play again so that was. I don't know if something was up with greg. Who's he didn't he didn't go from the start. They went with kind of a dual six with will trap and alonzo next to each other but and then kind of weaponized ashani dobson upfront. Where he was allowed to kind of rome and move but just didn't really connect us for what happened with johnny dodds. They give more of a free role to kind of like renton run and try and create something either off the Off a turnover. Or if you wanna go wide you can but it just it just sort of defaulted to matenaer just constantly going and just trying to serve sort of hopeful ball into the box and a couple of times there was. There was a couple of moments where he's know matinee. Good players get service but it's just kind of a one trick pony right now just they just haven't been able to Create opportunities in the way that i thought they would coming into the season. And the loss of kevin molina was out in this one as well too but it's starting to kind of like one bad result to the next to the next and there's a little bit of a crisis of confidence and confidence happening right now. In minnesota they chased this game at home against an expansion team for seventy five minutes. Seventy five minutes at home against an expansion team. They created one good chance which was mcmaster. Who's a rookie two-way who seventeen years old. And one half chance which was just a- bello being magic and that was it even playing with desperation they had nothing and it's a bunch of stuff you know just watching the games i kinda followed by nose and look through the numbers one of the things that minnesota was really good at last year was taking space because they have actually a lot of good passers of the ball in that back line and obviously with when gregory. She's in there in central midfield. The nause they they can move you around with the ball and open up space and then get there lingers in particular into positions to go one v one and so they had the third most attempt to dribbles last year and they were top eight or nine in success rate down the stretch. They moved into the playoffs. They were in like. I think fourth in dribble success rate. So they would use their possession to open the field up create one v. Ones in that malino especially was devastating. This year. they are twenty fourth in triple success rate. They're still third in the league and attempt gerbils for ninety but they are twenty four th and success rate so they're not dynamic on the ball in any possible way. Part of it is in central midfield. Like we'll trap is not going to beat anybody off. the dribble. Ozzy has really looked his age this year as it used to be so great that will turn in dip the shoulder and then pushed the ball forward. He has not done that. That's not greg his game so there's no dynamism from that group in central midfield and then even finley's not a beat you off the dribble guy though he's trying it a lot. This year shows that he understands what's missing and he's trying to do the job. Lot is not a big guys off. The dribble guy. Mcmaster might be but we haven't. He's a rookie. So it it it. It seemed like just one thing was missing the missing that one thing has had a cascading effect and the whole attack has stalled out because of it and i honestly think that's a much bigger issue for this team than the defense which i'm convinced is end to end up being pretty decent but one of the solutions for minnesota united. You gotta start hassani dotson eight next week whether it's next to alonzo or trap ya because he is dynamic on the ball when attacking from deeper. He's not dynamic as a winger he's not going to square up against the fullback and just completely washed the guy. But if you get him on the ball in the course of your build up patterns and you give him an a little gap instead he will hit that gap with the ball that puts pressure on the defense and then suddenly you have something beyond just giving the ball to belo and hoping he can be magic and the other thing is also is so isolated and so you can't use pieces and he can be guys one v one. But that's not most of his game and he has no one around him to work a quick one to offer and to pull defenders in and to manipulate the play. I mean the one time. He did one time he did. He almost scored the goal of the yet that was incredible and dotson could brick could give him some of that and the other thing about dotson is. It's one of those talk. You're watching him play. And you feel bad because you're asking them to scale from college soccer professional soccer. He does that now. You throw them in a place where he's completely uncomfortable. He's not a good decision maker in the final third especially from the spacey's coming from and there was a few half buildups that died at his feet. Because you wait too long to make the decision or kind of lets the defense sort of figure it out and then i took a long shot on one. That should have been a much more dangerous moment. It's not he dies. it's not his position he's not comfortable either and so right now. If you're hurting why would you not as donald slide and back in give renault so a little bit more help to work up of in that midfield and brings some energy into that midfield game got spread out and austin just looked so happy to work through it and to not the ball around and to create opportunities and it was just to easy for them throughout a chunk in that game. Stigma for goodness's world. We're just living in a right now. you know the the minnesota united fan get hit in. The face of the ball is basically their their season so far. Three games three losses. How much concern. We had this conversation already. We've done it. Is there more mounting concern. Does this make you more concerned that maybe those preseason predictions from us weren't quite a spot on and work quite as indicative. Who team was or was going to become or is this still just small fixes away. Oil dave kaelin any of us from what we expected. So i think most of it can be fixed. They have huge pieces. That aren't available. I didn't kaelin made the point though that has each lost builds on itself. That's the most worrying thing to me. Most of its worrying with this becomes psychological and emotional. The longer it goes on. You got dp center forward. That hasn't even arrived yet. You've got centreback not taking out ike again. Co aren't available you've got pieces. That will make this team better already available. Plus it like another winger who will fit into sort of what toil talked about japan or someone like that but the longer this goes on you start. Did i say wrong frank. Frank upon french gripper big Definitely sounds like some sort of like custard tart with like. He knows app apricots in it. I mean that was that was well done. That was well done. So yeah that's the only fear for me is that they get they get so deep mentally and as a group that however good they get their already fallen off i worry about malino being gone and i know that i know that it's that know he's been injured or he's out and we haven't seen him for columbus yet but when when you think back to the best moment of this team down the stretch in the playoffs the way combined with the bella i just feel like sometimes one player can make a massive massive difference in the way that it was interested. Back to cabello going here. Then you've made eaten finley a better player because you just you know. They had these tyke in combination so then finley construction behind and i think when you take one piece out sometimes you can kinda. Yeah you kinda see like oil said cascading effect or just. The domino's began to fall. So i actually have some real concerns about how this all fits together. I still think they're a playoff team. So do i. But i i. Don't i had them second or third in the west. I think it's gonna take them half a season to figure that out so probably closer to the tail end of the playoffs. They go to colorado this weekend. Colorado got a win against vancouver era when this weekend for eight. And he's like yeah. I'm getting energy from you. I'm not now you just said. Guaranteed five zero win for minnesota. Yes he does the opposite of whatever we say on this show so that means five nil loss for the loons. Everyone invested andre shinyashiki shot. I was gonna say. Just let diego rubio take five free kicks and put them all upper corner and he might he might be onto one there. Let's hit our celebrating soccer motive weekend present mcconnell tire. We're gonna do this every single monday. So if you see something let us know something you liked. That made you laugh. That was funny does not have to be serious. Though it can be it could be ryan hollingshead trying to say with the fake throw. Have you ever wanted to do this kaelin. Have you ever picked up a ball in the corner and you have the opposing coach. Right there. He's private japanese john and you've been having to hear him. I'm just even though this is off the field of play and clearly. I can't actually throw the ball this way. I'm gonna just pump bake it right at. I'm just we do geo and what what happens when you become a free agent in like for free agency. You need a squad. I mean got to play the long game here know post career. You need an interview. Maybe you're doing sideline i dunno. I think see that tells me that. He's got personality. Kaylin i like. I like to watch. Yeah all right. Let's get him on extra time where we want extra time. I would've chosen someone other than gio. I enjoy go go go intimidates me. great lane flinch even ryan hollingshead got hit by a car and shook it off. I don't think he's going to be intimidated by geo or anyone else in to be fair. What's more intimidating a car or a angry. I don't know we don't know how fast the car was going. We could also go san jose celebration bridge. Did you see this. It used to be that they had to walk on the concourse and they'd have to stop the concourse remember. I remember the all star game you had. I did drug walking through this like crazy. Fan area and arsenal are going through the arson. Another built a bridge in they're throwing their jerseys off of it. I've got the the celebration from san jose and we'll get to kate cal but but the celebration for me was in the eighty third minute. They're up three two one and marcinkus key tries to play sort of a split ball his own box and immediately gets picked off he dives out or an open floor in young worth comes makes us sliding tackle to like knock the ball out and he gets up and goes full. Cristiano renaldo like celebration in the air fist pump. And i'm like y'all. We're playing five thirty two in the box of an open winning three one at home. Like what fully celebrating like. He just scored like an amazing. It was a great. It was a great save San jose the risks that they take is just wild to me. That never would have flown for the twenty eleven. Dynamo never would have been hobby. Boswell somewhere in huston. Bobby boswell just bolted up in bed. It was like. I don't know what just happened. But i've been shaken to the core by the end of the height on that on that leap from china. This show. how kayla bachelor for. Bobby bobby boswell here and this shriveled out. This is to be the celebrating soccer moment of the weekend by tire. A new tradition is born. Whol will take your fine. He will pay that fine in exchange for three points and then he will boot the ball into his own stands in utah after a win against sporting kansas city to send an r. s. l. fan home with his john hancock on that ball. I look i. This is an amazing thing. I still wanna know any of our listeners. Were you in minnesota. That ball had landed somewhere. Did you pick up. Do you have that souvenir minnesota the bella shot. He took that one square to the grill. They were they were right to be very afraid of. Oh man i mean lying into the state. Everyone knows chose a huge roger federer fan. He sees the tennis players. They signed the ball lofted into the crowd. It's a tradition. You wants to be a part of that. That's that's all. I adore the pettiness from rs. L. so much. like after after. How big a thing. Adrian heath a minnesota fan base made out of that the previous week to to come first of all to play as well as they did in that comeback win over sporting kansas city. Where are the far superior team. And they didn't do it by like grit and grind. They played real pretty soccer but then to celebrate by by putting the ball into the stands like like it mildly level thousand adults. Who want to really take it up on notch right. Not that good on. The i was in semi has edge. Dovish show or something like that. I mean yeah it for the whole club to get behind it. It's one of those wonderful only animal last moments. But let's get into the result of we probably fifteen times last week. La galaxy the only team with all six points from their two games. Team with all wins. And then this weekend. I'm pretty sure on the broadcast on. F s one or wherever. That game was on. They said the same thing in our s. l. was just like yo what's up. What's up nick raimondo. In my twitter mentions bringing up our power rankings ratings. Because i promoted the fact the next friday is the football is our s. l. san jose which is a gift of all gifts digging more joy like how are they out of those power rankings man the every team that ends up at the bottom of the power rankings inevitably wins the next week but anyway they used the ball and that was the the big difference between what we saw from our s. l. this game and in what we saw from them basically all of the last two seasons last few seasons are as just compact than they would try to make it hard on you and they would just rely upon rush nak and cry lock to to do something wonderful to score and that was about it. They didn't have much beyond that. But if if you go back and you watch this game or even better yet clinton's my column. Because i did a big breakdown on it. Like they're like each of the first two goals you could see our s. l. knocking the ball around in order to whole sporting kansas city. Apart and create gaps for the back line to play directly into pablo rees. who is. They're they're wonderful. Little central midfielder and he always had so much room because the way sporting kansas city play within ely's the defensive midfielder he just sits in front of the back line. He doesn't actually come up and pressure. So if you can eliminate that frontline or i two midfielders in that four. Three three sporting kansas city play. You're going to have time to turn and take meaningful passes up field and that was a story on each of those first two goals. It was really the story of the game. They were you know. Getting great with from their fullback bagwell's especially right back Which is a nice story. Andrew brody who has been part of our s. l. in one form or another for like ten years and made his debut in this one after aaron harare had to limp off injured. It like it was it. It looked like the crew is what it looked like. They looked like the columbus crew in this game. When the crew are going really well and getting harrison awful up one side valenzuela up the other and like just finding these devastating little combinations of play from the back central midfield back again to shift the the opposition around and then get into their final third kill patterns that did not exist for our cell last year. We did not see that. I don't think even once and this game. They absolutely buried sporting kansas city with it. Yeah they were fun to watch. I love ruis. He has to be on the ball. He's he's fun to watch. He wants to connect. He wants the game to move and creditor real rabin. It's been a really long few years for him. It was kind of awesome to see points at the back of the jersey on all the goals. There's four or five. Casey players who could've done better on his second goal but we don't have to focus on that we can focus on school to see and i think we talked about in preseason. That could an identity for this club is like a place for players to rehab their career. Where you know they have ability. It hasn't gone well from a multitude of reasons whether it's health or other things and this could be an opportunity where they could be one of those clubs and we've seen clubs around the world be accessible at this at being one of those places but you have to have a structure in place to help those players come into and be successful and it feels like there's a spine to this team. It's a young spine outside of sylva But they were on their and cry. Lock yeah wherever. He plays But yeah but there are confident. They were comfortable draft. This game and i think freddie war is like said in post game talked about the halftime locker room and what they said. They felt like they were good enough to win that game. It was just about being quicker and finding those gaps and being a little bit more aggressive. And that's confidence for a team. That went down one zero pollino scores. You start to feel casey get confident and they rebounded pretty quickly in started to build and build and build throughout that game. It was really good performance from them. Top to bottom probably would is one of those guys hasn't played much come at arizona in the summer. I think july first in the meantime rubio rabin being feast. Bobby bobby wood is going to be available sooner than that. You think so. Yeah because he. He officially ended his his contract in germany so as soon i think his wife was heavily pregnant and in dental heavily pregnant Wait dollar she is. She's expecting any day now. So the waiting for the birth of a child. And then you know whatever quarantine issues there are so he. He's going to be available really soon. But like is not gonna get into the into the lineup ahead. Rubio rabin dude has two goals two assists in two games. He's been awesome. And it's been david like i. I love that identity for our s. l. to sort of rehab guys who for one reason or another clearly talented but have become journeymen and like potentially wonderful story there and we haven't mentioned it. Jeff carlisle reported last week that they're apparently pretty deep in talks with a winger independiente who they think could bring a little bit more danger to this group. I'm also throwing out there. That they should probably trade for danny rier. I'm on. i'm shopping. Danny rier i don't have any stake in the game. I'm just here to watch him score. Goals and mls and that could be another interesting piece for but they've got eighty options. And i think donny was talking with With the guys. Skc broadcasts about how andersen. Julio they wanted like three years ago and chose to go to mexico and now they got him for cheaper. I saw the place. You're supposed to go if you're trying to grab That's looking for a second. Go things ourselves tickets to hawk. And it's so hot in houston. What are you gonna throw back a little cool mountain air train. I'm trying to train and sandy. One of my buddies. One of my buddies moved to utah last year. And he's he's a skier and like his his. Instagram is just incredible man. I really do. I think we should probably take extra time to utah. And we've done it before we rating doyle to win the lotto so that then we could take over our sal and managing exactly. They need an owner true mean team true team. Who got the you got to kick this ball. Should he kick all the balls when they win or should it be like the man of the match signs the ball and kicks it like. How do we i mean. Set their own tradition. I'll let them do that. These are just the questions that i think about. Is it every time or is that that ship is sorta salesman levy best eleven of mls traditions. Week buddy their rights itself. This is clearly the starting goalkeeper no doubt about that one hundred all right. Let's get into my narrative funds on. We've already done seattle and Three hours from minnesota narratives. How about no wins in three. Home games for nashville. Sc dax mccarty. Came out and said look. I'm just going to say it's important that we say what's really going on here and what's really going on is that this is an acceptable for us. They had really one the expected goals battle head into this weekend and then of course no goals for anybody against inter. Miami also means again condolences to the brothers for the death of their mother. Awful stuff and we hope they in their family our morning together and and and being together in this time but nashville. This is not. This is a little bit of minnesota this in the east. Maybe less less lofty expectations but certainly higher expectations in this result perspective. They're playing better I it's weird because they the opposite team of last year and a couple ways like they're playing really good soccer in a lot of facets especially attacking generating high quality chances so that's different than most last year They are soft as hell in the first fifteen minutes. Two games leading the opponents set the tone three weeks in a row now. They were very lucky not to go down at least a goal in this one even against shorthanded a inter miami. They never let teams do that. Last year they get beat on talent but they would win the effort battle week after week after week from the kick so that's opposite last year the place where the same as last year is like there malate not be good at like they're generating jobs. It's charlie said on thursday. And i was like you can't be this harsh but they generate chances and could and can finish them. That's like the story of a lot of what's happened. I i'm wondering how much was game states. The first two yes where they went down to zero and they had to go for it. Because now you have a game here where you played out zero zero and they don't create as many opportunities and they were as dangerous as we've seen the first two weeks but maybe that's also an over correction. Because they felt like they were given up soft goals. Whatever it is. But i do wonder what the ceiling is then on what we want to be more dangerous attacking team but these are the pieces that we've built it so i- second spectrum to look into their chance creation from the first two weeks and what they came back with to me was of course this massive basically everything but the biggest one was in crosses and they were a love it. They're going down the left side and particular. They were saying what they were. Seeing that game states were affecting chance creation that fc. Cincinnati got up montreal got up and then both of them were like whoop. Sit back now. That's not on that if it's not all just like twelve crosses a game whip it into the box women the box also creating a lot more on the counter counterparts and on high press again. That could begin states. That could be minnesota. Fc cincinnati unable to play out of their own end and and just pushed back. But there are so many pieces dunkin minnesota. They didn't even owe minnesota. He's still amen. Look you know. Don't have wins. They all go together for me at this point. Oh man but yeah it's it's an open question and for them it. It is about ultimately in the results. Like they needed to do both. They need to be a better attacking team but keep the results and improve on them. That's what this is all about for them and it just hasn't it hasn't happened yet and it's happened three games at home against opponents. If you were going to be the team that you said you wanted to be that you would handle montreal. One inter miami with audio brothers. I mean come on yeah. There was no robbie robinson on this on the bench No pizarro. I think he had a visa issue or something and then no i mean miami played with half their usual contingent. Dp's they only two on the field. A d who knows. That's where you expect in nashville to progress right. And i felt like they did so well in the season. I'm a little less concerned about them. Because i've long felt it. Their their strength is going to be in there. Gary smith team solid defensively to win. They know how to make it hard. But that nextstep and you're talking about that finishing in that top end quality. That was what was going to be needed to go. They made a good run in the playoffs. But take that next step or to come back this year and do it and three games at home to. You'd expect to see a lot more out of them. I think they're going to bounce back. Because i i still think there are a solid team but they need to get it. Get it going in the attack. One of the things that will things that could be interesting. One is rodrigo paying. I think only seen one minute of him. He's what rodriguez yeah he. He's played one minute or something like that. So we haven't seen much of the one attacker they brought in from outside. The league could be the other thing that you could see them do to generate attack or maybe change the way they play is bring mukhtar in even deeper an add another attacker on the field because he has played central midfield in his career and other places now joined. Dax seem to be untouchable in. This team I think part of them being soft. The first fifty minutes has been those to have started. Slow you watch the first fifteen minutes of the first two games of the season and it took awhile to get involved. Dax gave way passes. You don't expect so. That could be something they could try. The other thing is go back to what you did last year. Deeper and try and hit and transition. Don't try and create chances in the final third with more pieces higher up the field if it doesn't work so i get what you're saying but like i think that lowers their ceiling because at this may be but right now. The floor is pretty low and i don't know the floors that low. They're hosting new england at home this weekend by the way. So that's a diff-. I i understand but i feel like we're seeing the floor. They are playing better soccer. they are getting. they are getting into better positions. They are. I know they're crossing a lot. We you're right to point that out but there are also creating many more high leverage where the chances than last year than last year basically any point could these and mukhtar just aren't finishing enough of them and neither are dodgier or cj sapong both gotten onto the field recently I i think all of this gets fixed. If they just play hard from the whistle. I generally think that nashville is going to be okay. I i still think they're probably a playoff team in the east. The retail train slowed down. Let's say he got his foot stamped in his game against seattle. We didn't really talk about that. We must focus on the sounders and his foots and trying to shake that thing off like the whole game after that was kind of shaking was ginger on it l. galaxy l. Afc this weekend. This is the ultimate narrative in the fund zone seven pm eastern on saturday big fox. This is the game that both clubs look forward to at this point. Will we see carlos vela in it and what version of reto will we see. What did we learn about the galaxy in this match had been a fairy tale for them at some point the slipper was gonna come off a little bit Yeah he came off but it's still six points from three. It's still five goals from thirty. We'd be went to what page forty two on the pr manual of teacher. Retirement didn't score but no he got his foot stone. I'm just saying you know if you need a reason to look for it that it was very ginger. It was like. I think i might have. I landed on that from my six. I don't know anybody in the world that could recover from that and potentially score goals and lift the galaxy to victory so the shrine is still intact. I think he's going to be fine. We lit another candle for him. What was this week for the la teams because it's a one one draw for l. Afc sands villas. While it was coming back down to earth. I think just to coming to. I think the question was to say okay. Well yeah they. They had to good results for great torito's flying but they still needed hat trick in one and two and the other for for them to get a result and this because there's problems in the back and o'neill fisher got turned around quite a bit. The connection between him and arauco wrong. All game didn't know win to step. They got suckered way too far over at times leaving the back. Post wide open And issues in the back. And that's not something that's just going to sort of disappear or you know. I think it kinda maybe paved over a little bit. But they're still good on the attack and there were still these cheeto. They were still vasquez as good on the ball. Efrat's balls and behind Good so hebron sear grand sir there you go he Yeah he he had like a moment where he was able to show a little bit of some burst to get behind or stretch the field. And i think there are a lot of things that are moving forward for them in a positive direction but still some issues in the back as far as just being solid not making easy mistakes and tracking runners. Pretty basic stuff that you'd expect a team like a coach by vani to sort out question about personnel. Do they have that. Top end centreback. Maybe when when one of the outside backs gets burnt that they can leave the center and go and put out a fire. Question marks still there for me. I think it was coming down to earth to say yeah. This is a much improved team. They still have some weapons in the attack that got going but but still some holes. That are gonna take some time to fix. We'll see where kevin qabrikha fix. Can we just talk about the whole with carlos vela out again. One one draw against houston. Rossi's back that's great news. Rosie was not sharp. it's understandable. Is there any concern about. Llc concerned concern. But i'm jumping off the support in to jump all the supporters shield train like a one. That's a one club train. You got to have a lot of faith full season. It just sort of feels like right. Now if you're juggling issues with carlos vela that is going to have a big trickle down effect on your ability to be the best team in the league over the course of entire season. That is the only the only concern. I have rarely see is the status of vella. Because it's weird that he clearly wanted to come back on after that injury in week. One and to the point where. Bob was kind of apologizing on national tv for it and now according to reports he hasn't trained in two weeks and he had like. We haven't heard anything definitive on on what's going on May like apparently the injury was worse than a thought on the day You it's weird to say but like you hope it's that and not something personal like hopefully some bond there wasn't a bond broken between bob and unveil and he's like disgruntled now That is my only concern for l. Afc the big difference between see this year and last year is this year when they play kind of crappy which was the case against houston and houston deserves a lot of credit for that. Very difficult to play against They have a good enough goalkeeper in good enough spine specifically that central defence to still get points last year l. Afc would have lost this game. Three one there had been a goalkeeper error and they would have gotten the set at these but with maria guerra with just neog clearly having leveled up in addressed a healthy from the jump They are in perfectly good shape to just got some winds even when they're missing most of their starting frontline a couple of fullbacks. Whatever else. I just think what you saw from bob in the first week subbing fella quickly what they learned from last year which was they can get through games without him. They can't get through the season without him. And so that's probably what we're still seeing. Obviously there was reports coming out of la. I think last week about vela maybe being interested in returning to legal so maybe there is some field stuff. That's going on which is getting in the way of all this but a week to where you still pickup points without. Villa is worth it to make us support shield drawn. Which is you need. valla healthy for this. You know the long part of the season and that's the biggest focus for this club. And i think that's what you learned last year as the we want to win every game. That doesn't mean has to be on the field to do that. It's almost better for your team to think that way by knowing to hold. That's where i think. I'm pulling out of the supporters. Showed side i am. I am team. If carlos vela even thinks that there might be a little bit of tightness like he dreamed last night that he was gonna pull his quad. You don't play them like they shouldn't kid gloves. Carlos vela throughout the entire season because they are good enough to be a playoff team in the top half of the west playoff team. Probably as well especially do back in there in rhythm a little bit more but just you cannot risk him. You can't do it but it also. It lowers your ceiling. In the meantime i feel like we have. We should do that with kaelin with with doing that. Like kaelin's hams kaelin's hamstrings tight. After after men's league this week you could take the rest of the show. We completely understand. You need an early sub. I've never had a coach. Like be like immediately yanking your good right. You're gonna have to play through this barco. He's just going to walk off the field and leave us at some point late mcgann. Yeah five five subs house august. Yeah i actually. I understand the feeling there of you. Gotta protect your asset or you gotta protect fella. But i think there's there's a line where it's like at some point you have to understand that. There's there's risk involved right. And as i think as a star player to that's where the miscommunication came in where it's like. You see it happening in all sports. Where the star players. And i was joking about myself and being thrown out there. But that's real and the star players get a little bit. If it's another minute another two minutes another four minutes you get a little more time to test it out and see how you're feeling and i think that's where the frustration came and we've seen them like what that quick trigger because yes he is so valuable and we see what a difference he makes you know in the concacaf champions league run the last year compared to what looked like earlier in the season. And so i think you have to. You have to kind of always play that dance but you also have to keep him happy and you have to make sure that he he feels that the decision is not taken out of his hands and he has a say in it too because he knows his body knows where he's and there's times where it to knock and there's a time where it's an injury and you know i've actually. Their staff is incredible. They're medical staff is really really top notch but it also. It's partly up to the player too. So i hope that we see him back because we haven't quite seen that thereto inform especially informed reto or this new look galaxy with vani coming back and the intrigue of seeing it between these two guys have so much history so the chance of seeing them together in this new iteration was what was kind of what was promised slots on left and then suddenly she arrived and we'd had to sort of like hit false starts on that a bunch of times but this seems like maybe the first opportunity for so you hope. He's back this week. But i don't know it's gonna play. That's one to watch you guarantee for traffic. Oh you guarantee jets back served two game suspension. That's a huge turn for the galaxy. He can play in a few different spots. Jillian rondos not a winger. So it could be there you could slide someone else out wide and move legit inside whatever it is. That's a huge piece for the la galaxy to get back for this game. So that makes them. I think no matter. What a little bit better going into this l. afc match up. And i think there's a level of confidence for the galaxy even after the seattle loss of like. We're different than we were last year. This is our city. This is what this game means to us. And you've seen a few weeks in smaller crowds at the atmosphere at both. Those stadiums has been awesome and it really has changed the effective games at the bank in carson. So for these clubs. I think this as galen said we've had the stop start of. When are we gonna get this on. And i think it's gonna feel that like that big moment. I think it's the establishment of sort of this new iteration of l. Traffic and hopefully velez back when we watch and of course all the other different news sources around la to see whether or not he does get back in time You think you think. Greg vanney shows up in a bomber jacket. Just here see what happened. I haven't seen him. He's gotta go. Because there's haven't seen him in many scarves. Silly i mean. La at t shirt we miami. Apparently it was a bit of a bit of a big deal out in. La people people had takes anyway. I'll traffic go on fox saturday. Seven pm eastern. There's some other big games this weekend on national. Tv there's an abc doubleheader inter miami and atlanta portland and seattle. That's excuse me. It's eight pm eastern on l. Traffic central time eastern literally on me off from season one of the season. Like i loved it. The new mos dot com adapted. To where i am. But i'm also so eastern time centric from a decade in new york that i just i haven't been able to break that habit You said something interesting though. Kaelin about carlos vela knowing his own body. I have to you this. Because i'm curious phil neville said robbie robinson doesn't know his own body that he's a young man who's he's learned learning about his somebody. What does it mean to know your own body and can you not know it as a young player. I'm currently playing this game myself. Horrible injury stretching for a ball hamstring and the exact same spot happened. June twelve twenty twelve against fc dallas. Same injury never left me. So i'm still learning to. Has i have no idea what that means that they have like carlos vela carlos villanova was injured. He knows when he's not. i guess. Maybe if you're a young guy and you're you got a lot of different inputs in so you're trying to decide. Yes i need to play. Egoyan's gone i. This is my opportunity. But i'm not feeling right. But i don't know so he goes out and they did a prematch test. It sounded like he went in and actually like spoke to the manager. And said i wanna play which is a great sign to hear from a young player. Look good when he got on. So yeah i don't know but he's still i mean robinson he also had some like last year right. He had some family issues as well too so i think he's kind of still finding its footing. It's not easy as a young player especially in a club with expectations. their are first draft. Pick so it is it is. There is an emotional human side to figuring out your way through professional soccer. So i don't know hoping for the best here phil neville was on fire postgame. He said that he also said he agreed with the dog. So that wasn't a red. So in that nashville miami game which is a fitting say for someone who starts Ldp and ryan shawcross. I'd be like nothing's dog so the dogs. Nobody knows what doug so it. Just don't call it breakfast question from sky today on shawcross. We forgot that was on monday. Bid we were supposed to all like we should all have to get anybody. Would i guess shock. Always gash shawcross always in the narrative funds on. We have two more here. one is Hey the ribs are good. The other one is yes. Fc cincy are inqui- in fact quite bad they remain bad. Yup sound says we're sticking with were sticking with the player with i what the rams are good and you're going to go first half cincinnati. Being back they came together because one was good. One was bad. So i just tried to loop them in together because we still need to get to like twenty two hundred twenty two previews saying you said both them and then your immediate response was let me trash on cincinnati yup stamps at this rather than being like. Oh good on the rabbit a long time since leaving time since the march. What about the reps. Yes what about the roads are. It's great they've got two good fullbacks. They look comfortable in central centreback. He'll i think this was his best game of the season was able to dictate. The game was active with the pieces. They have allowed to find the game wherever he wants. Because other people can swap in and out with him and macy l. Who is the first ever revs to player to play for the rams. I had heard that they they liked him a lot in preseason he would have been a starter week want if he had been healthy and had a good week here against atlanta. Atlanta was not dangerous at any point except for the penalty which also wasn't really a dangerous moment so this is a really good performance for the rabbs when they're bad they're good enough to win and when they're good they're good enough to beat anyone in mls. And i would say they have enough pieces that they can do that weekend and week out without having everyone healthy. I don't know how. Gustavo fits into the seem. He's a dp and they're still good enough to pretty much dominate atlanta at home. It's it's interesting with the revs. Because i do think that their best look against good teams is probably going to be the four three one which is what they played this weekend with. He'll inside as true number ten. The problem with that is that books. He's not an elite center forward in this league. He does a lot of good things. He doesn't finish And the wingers. Dangerous goalscorers themselves. So new england's upside is is lower. 'cause they don't have guys who are just ruthless about putting the ball in the back of the net. Stoppable is like he can be a fifteen twenty goalscorer in this league. The problem is there's no place for a minute four to three one. Yeah basically have to play a four four two With kiel outside kind of as an inverted playmaker In both he. He's just gonna flow as a second forward in in look to score bangers and he's great at it when the revs are in control of the game but when the revs come up against a team like columbus that rips control the game from them they are unable to even get the ball to kosovo. So they like it. Bruce arena. hasta he has to figure this out. Because either way the rams are gonna be very good but there's not a clear path for them. I think to the very top of the table because of these fit and goalscoring issues now if teal bunbury or you know on buchanan If these guys suddenly get on a heater scored a goal every other game. Everything changes and just okay. We're we're going to the fourth one. I think you've seen from asia this year. Even though he didn't score the goals including olympic qualifying but an intent to get in the box especially when the attack goes down the left side of being an option. So i think that's a possibility that he could scale to being player. But yeah the this was always going to ride on bupe and boats and accent right is kind of a guarantee and those are the question marks in their high price question marks especially in the league. We can't really waist deep spots so ribs are it's off the table in the east. They're not atop the sports show. That's the sounders on goal differential. fc cincinnati won't spend any time on that. I'm sorry for the slag there since he fans you know. Just i mean you can talk. We could just watch. Kubo just gained turned inside out by ninety at the top of the box. And that's a pretty Pretty good indication of one. They've taken one of the last twenty four points on offer in their last fifteen games. They are one win. Thirteen losses and one draw. They've scored six goals. Well that about says it. There are twenty two hundred twenty two player. The weekend is one hundred thousand percent. Cade cal there's a lot of options here. katie clark. He got another galazov. It's just what he does. Dante sealy like father like son got on the board for fc dallas in a big win against portland. Tenor testament was in that game plan. Pretty as As well you like the most is nyman dave paxton back but come on cal. Kinda happy got peppy. They get that start. I mean a goal into his is held up. Play looked really a goal and two assists for cade cal. Doyle did though he wax poetic on the outside of the boot pass last week. I mean this week. None of these are as impressive. I mean he he just. He made pretty look like a fence. Post speaking of hamstring had three steps on that breakway goal and beyond just knew from the moment cake cow started running at what look fairly leisurely pace for cade cal that he was going to be staring at the back of jerseys very very soon and the near post finish and then to great balls to get a couple of assists i i mean he and he just has vibes. He's the youngest daughter in the league. He's got like he almost. It's almost like we've had a lot of things with rubio hair so much volume like the push back a little bit of bleach in there. He's got the dangling earing. He's he's kind of the perfect player for alameda to in his system with just the way because my question was always when you go to this one on one sort of defensive setup and then also you're you're betting allowed on individual talent or difference makers and i've always thought that that's not going to be a place where san jose's gonna be on the right side of those margins because you're eventually going to run up with situation with all due respect to tommy thompson. But you're going to find him one with carlos velo or somebody in your going to isolate your defenders and put them in tough sponsor and for some players. I think like cheson. He's perfect example of guy that can go up and down all around the pitch it works and but i think Sorry joe came. Two seasons saw my. I'm glad to see the next generation coming along. Oh we didn't realize He's a perfect example of an ice elise match up nightmare. I mean i think just even just it's basically a hopeful sort of. It's a really nice ball but it is a hopeful ball that most players may be trying to track down or you put some pressure on. But he's got the speed did not just beat brio but take that next. Touchy almost accelerates. When he gets the touch takes a nice angle towards goal and finishes so he's he's shown a lot of different parts of his game that we haven't seen in composure. As well finish. So i think if you wanna rewind and listen to talk about the pass trademark from last week you can but i think he's a perfect part of this system and the way he wants to play and not a player they've had right because they've had other hosts didn't do it and he really didn't do it. Wando can't do that anymore. Or whatever and then the other one is the first goals. Joe fees just moment of brilliance. Now take farro. Can't close down. Because maybe he should play center bankruptcies inside let's Those two aspects of this game didn't exist for san jose the last two years. So they put up a stat which they hadn't beat d c like five years and they were like oh three and three at home against them or something like that and this game kinda showed you at saying the run of play. There wasn't all that much of a difference for a lot of times but they had a moment of brilliance and that put them up two zero and allowed them to play from the lead and be the better team at dictate. The way the game was going to be played in that something they just haven't had the last night goes in net. Was there to stop the jackson. You'll shot because if somebody was standing by that was that was an incredible piece of falling side. Volley straight up. Laser beam advocate cal rope. We rosen rope. Yeah you're right you're right. Why whol hit a canaccord. The loon supporter section is that we didn't know. Then you know the people in minnesota about cancer car. Let me tell you how many times you both for consumption. And also for the twins What is. What is the kate cal. Hope for the rest of the year here like this is we hit some high points. Quick like what what now. So guy tommy scoops had a good little feature on them last week on soccer dot com l mehta where he said he wants to be a combination of neymar and imbaba. His his vibes are are just blowing. Everyone's out of the water. He's got the daily cross earring. Anything he wants to be a combination of neymar imbaba. What he looks like he's from the lost boys. Old people will get that reference it so the thing in that feature almaeda talks about is like every physical test we do. Kate is the number one player on the team including jumping but he he's hasn't been able to hit a ball in. Mls that's technique. He has to work on his technique. He knows that so we. We've seen him add pieces to his game right like last year he was basically he was very linear. He was a better passer than i thought. And then this year we've seen him hit some passes that are stunning. He's still a goal score but now we need to see him. Okay can you add the technique to beat guys off the dribble do that. Can you add technique to be dangerous header of the ball it. It's tough. I think a lot of that is inherent but we've seen player is really good goalscorers. Mls develop that over. The moral minolta's is first two years. He couldn't had a ball. It was ridiculous by his fourth year. I think he scored five headed goals. So this this is the process for any young player. You have to get better from everything that the kid has said and shown and everything that almeida said. They know exactly how he needs to get better and they have a plan for for doing that. I don't know if it means long term. He's going to be kilian mbappe. I will say he's not going to be neymar But he certainly looks the part of a super dangerous player where it's like by age nineteen. It wouldn't shock me if he was as good as jordan. Morris was last year. And that's really damn good honors title. Matt doyle says kay cal will play for. Psg team we've given kid cal ton of love which is well-deserved by. That's partly why. I'm still taking cayden. Clark as you're not rating that twenty two hundred twenty two or whatever it is but Like the technique there and we've been able to see it repeated time and time again in the box and around it. I think he continues to shine another huge big future for him so he's he's stepped up in a big way so it's been a good year for for the i'm still i'm still interesting. See how girds sorta forms this roster figures it out and understands whereas players best fit. I'm still thinking he's figuring that out on the fly right now to get a result this weekend. That's good suffer for them. We gotta get to see seattle like to come in this week. Here in the quarter-finals tuesday and wednesday and tuesday union three nothing on atlanta united. They don't have jose martinez who they also don't have an mls play because he went crazy and cry. Chopped touchy cassiano and the side of the face like with his elbow. Just a really ugly moment from this week in ten fifteen cruises zula up three one entre of cnn and wednesday monterey. It's too to with columbus crew as like i. I think that was the last thing. I watched when i was really feeling sick. And i just had that final goal is so painful still to america and the timbers at one one who's getting through failure through we're gonna curse him like that philly or through nobody else. That's i just think okay. Explain why i think. I think failure through. I still pick one or like you know if you wanna weasel around and yeah. I still think that between portland and columbus one of those teams. We'll get through. Warm gore came back. Played a good stretch this weekend. So maybe you can start him if mensah can't go. Although apparently jesse's artists dislocated his shoulder during the monterey game played reminds minutes with the children and his now day to day. So i voire cheetos foot really really got stairs on all right. That was. That was one like wins. Like ooh then it just sticks with you the next day down the shoulder flat. Have you ever been listen shoulders in our pop back in howard webb woke up this morning and had eighteen emails from about changing the rule. We sure that's how violent conduct on are. We sure we know that we know he didn't start. Actually directly so. I still think even without celery on which is tough. I still think that this is a columbus group that has enough ways to create opportunities. And i think they'll have the bulk of possession even at monterey and then i look portland. Oversee comes off the bench for a few minutes. This week they played timber c team against dallas. Which makes sense because of what they wanna do going forward. I still think this is a group that will be comfortable sitting in a low block and trying to hit on the counter against Against club america. So i not counting either of those teams out i feel better about columbus but i still think one of those two will go by the way. I'm taking portland. I portland. I'm taking portland. Yeah i like what i like. I liked their first their first leg. I think it was written like what they saw. What i saw from that team in that and then even again you know to come back late and to get the result at home i think was big for them as far as momentum. Go so i kinda throw out the mls performances to begin the season. It's just if you look at cross cc. l. and somebody put out a stat or tweet of just basically all losses. So i'm kind of just throwing that to the side to begin with and saying. I think this portland team has enough in outlook tall task going help america. But i don't know it's a hunch. I'm going for argue. I was cautiously pessimistic. I still am. But i think more realistic. And i don't know. I'm going to tune to it'd be cool. That'd be good stuff by the way. Nyc fans are going to be unhappy with us here. We haven't really talked about them and they won again. They beat the union. My mentions on twitter. Filled up with people saying you know basically you guys crow about the time. We took them down. We dominated them home now again ten philadelphia. And what was this. That dave i believe you had it. After four and seven so far teams the game five schools cincinnati and then yet good win against philly but just hold your. They're nyc afc fans. Quick good. i was gonna say i've seen talk about. I think most of us think it's an uphill battle three one at cruises but it sounds like they just signed kemar lawrence as a starting leftback so now they got depth at right back and they bring in a guy who's been left back in and make sense would satele doe of okay. You know kemar lawrence can cover that entire wing by himself if you need to you know. He solid defensively. It's sort of classic. Right ali curtis in chris armas bringing in another guy. Shoutout danny royer soon to be. Tfc player so but good pick up for them and they still needed centrebacks. I guess luke things. That guy. Which i appreciate i give him that opportunity but tfc continue. Where's the danny royer trade scuttle bug coming from just ask you. That hasn't started a game and there was rumors not me. There was rumors that he's been shopped around. Mls goes into not rumors. They'd like he was shocked all all offseason. He was shopped around. Mls and so if he's not a starter he's one of the highest paid players on the team and in my mind if you put them in decently cohesive mls team. You're probably gonna get tangles from him. We would have hoped it would helped Vancouver last night you didn't talk about vancouver and colorado at all colorado one nil win. They were the better name. Vancouver had their chances. They have only one goal scorer on that team. And its lucas cava lenient. So everybody just what. They can't take him out of the game writers not the greatest player in the world. But if you're gonna play a four to your secondary forward has to complete some passes and getting dangerous spots and finish plays off like royal. Would help team like that. I think he makes a lot of sense there. I think he makes a lot of sense for houston to get some goalscoring on one of those wings and he'll feel comfortable pressing the way tab wants i think most. Mls could use them. We talked about casey. Just going to say kizito creating chances for a guy coming off the wing. I don't know if they have the cap space and money. So that's the scuttlebutt right there. Somebody get january is what you're saying. Quick update on him molesters abroad brennan aaronson scored a cup final lifted cup. Jesse marsch she guys talked about that. On thursday headed rb leipzig. I need to get your thoughts on that doyle. I just want to hear what you think about this moment. Because i'm still sort of the trajectory was there. We kind of understood where this was. Probably going for jesse. But it's still so thrilling and unusual and amazing to me to see an american coach. Be v logical choice for a team at the top of and probably planted at the top of the bundesliga and is going to be in the champions league year out. Yeah i mean. It's it's fantastic for jesse and it's it's a definitely a path that he started carving for himself. Would he worked with us. Emily soccer four to be very. Thank you for that minnesota job as well. That's true that's true we. We're the launching pad easily. He'll be the third american to manage in the bundesliga David wagner at At shoka and the fella who My roger you know elegant amount this year and and jesse is the first to really from. Mls as kind of a wife or as a player in mls and then the coaching path through the league and champions league team winning trophies in austria and now as he said the Very clear and obvious choice to To take over in leipzig I'm not gonna bet against them. I think the men knows how to win And as for the first point you made about You know winning trophies in in europe Our our good friend. Paul kennedy over at soccer america. Put this tweet out like this. The american could play for. You know fifty years at not have as good a cup season as we've seen this year surging won the copa del rey in spain. Mark mckenzie one The cop belgium Zach stephan won the league cup in england. Aaronson won the cup in austria. Ben letterman members. Remember that name. He won the cop in poland yesterday and then Ten days from now Haji right in denmark. Tyler adams versus. Go raina in germany Politic is in the fa cup final on the fifteenth weston mckennie In the battalion cup. Final on the eighteenth. And ian harksen dillon powers next week in the semifinals. It's it's incredible the amount of trophies that we're seeing americans abroad collecting europe this year and oil will be doing a two hour. Twitter spaces shoulder programming around that scottish cup final. I am interested to see if this will not speculating on either. These managers jobs because i know nyc afc rebels have head coaches but the idea of a manager going to the system to be able to get basically faced on. Because i like while. I thought jesse did a fantastic job and mls mls clearly. Being a part of the red bull family and system is what opened this pathway for him. And you're starting to see players whether it's cayden clark or frankie. There's sort of an inertia where you're seeing or even. Fc dallas how they keep bringing more because you know if you go to that academy as a good chance as the relationship with byron so wonderful it will sort of make those types of roles more interesting for managers especially american managers of profile To try and take it to a chance if they do have that empathy ago. Wasn't that jason kreis going on see even though it was quote unquote a bigger market in. Mls the push was. He got to go live in manchester for a year. And that's your connection and that your background which nome alaska coach at ever had before. It didn't work out for him. I think that's part of the point. Because what's amazing about this. is that jesse marshes. Mls lifer like greg. Vanney played in france. Comfortable like we saw greg or go to europe played in europe. And that's one of the things that's most shocking about this. Is that jesse. Marsch a pure molest guy. That's now getting this opportunity in europe but of course the rebel connection makes it former chief. You say legend jesse marsch chicago fire baby. Come only thinking about the battle with beckham stripes. It was a beautiful moment. All right four one. Two zero six zero s extratime to most saga dot com. What's hit the mailbox before you here. David we got ryan from rss. We've seen a lot of players careers. Extended resurrected with a position. Change i e beasley zeus fullbacks. Early on this season. I would say the same thing is happening to will bruin as a second dropback forward. Also it seems. There's a resurgence of the two forward system. As well chateaubriand bruins always been able to like. He's always he. his passing. vision is really really good. He has good instincts. For for linking play. I thought he like his his big issue is he doesn't have great balance. So you can kind of knock him off the ball you get into. And that is that was always the limiting factor With bruin as sort of a a hold up man that guys can run off of as her. The two forward system Whether it's a three five two or four four to Flat or four diamond. You're right. There's a resurgence of it. And it goes hand in hand with transition soccer with two forward system. You are always going to have to guys in good good positions up field when you win the ball in central midfield and that puts hawn of pressure on the opposing. Back lines so i. It's just a natural outgrowth of this global shift towards transition soccer That we're seeing basically everywhere but coming to mls. Certainly with teams like philadelphia. What chris is doing in toronto in you know course. The red bulls is well chasing oregon. Says they're an extra time award for entertainer of the year yet. Is it possible to make a case that it should be given to. Anyone not named knew who. He adds more excitement and unpredictability. And sal per ninety minutes than anyone in the league. This adrian heath erasure. He's a true we can thank him. I mean we've ridden the whole like real estate agents in the last dot com. Now all the stuff with the ball kicking. we truly have gotten the most out of adrian. and part of what makes new special. This year is that there aren't all those moments of unpredictable. He's not making the crazy run up field. He's gonna incredible like don't come in my area. I'm taking the ball from you defender and you've got the super clean on the ball right. And he's a great player. Yeah that was a really good player. Also apparently after this last win he gets extra teriyaki chicken on his order. So shout out to new. I don't understand that someone tagged in sounders put out a video of him literally walking off the field and someone said good win and he goes. I get extra teriyaki chicken with rice ball which will let me close on this one andrew from winning muka who says well staying at the top of the western conference has a quakes. Fan was nice while it lasted. Also forgive me for not buying. Kate cowl stocks before they went nuts. I should have listened to. What do we think minimum win. Muka is what's your definitely minutes. You think so. Yeah that i. I was thinking minnesota canada. I was surprised as a quake fan. Yeah i'm trying to david love. Google maps is my favorite thing to do in the metoo. How exciting coming. Up for me with the nevada win. Okay interesting. is this okay. All right that makes sense that makes sense under slag man. Humboldt county nevada. It's about census figures. Seven thousand so andrew macos. We appreciate you man. We love you all right. Let us know tahoe. 'cause it's not near anything just isolated after just and cape cow and imitates total insanity. Football all right. That's it for us. 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#141 - "Shame on you"

The Agostinho Zinga Show

1:34:03 hr | 2 years ago

#141 - "Shame on you"

"Welcome back to the St. knows English show episode number one forty one with me your host. I St. no Zingo was going on. What's happening? What's crackle lack? Happening of it. Hope you guys do well while hydrate while wristed while lubricate you call your bodily functions that need to be limbering place. Your Almas way you're on meant to be a not Tessa middle. Your forehead your toes, look like toes farms and all that good stuff. And hope you men and in case you wondering undoing splendid absolutely splendid as per usual. Because that's everything I do in the mornings per usual is work workout before then current my day, which I have to often bit. So this might be a little bit quick warmer than run through the stuff. But if you can how I'm doing. I'm doing great. I got back from the gym an hour or so ago, and my shoulder is a bit tweets as it may be as big a consequence of me. Maybe too many over presses did like a sell five today of of dead lifts and over presses because as usual the bench press was occupied the bench press in that Jim is probably the most well used. Frequent occupied thing in the world the squat racks. Sometimes no one's touching it. The which the is a platform. Right. They'll platform people go do stuff. No one touches for the most part. But the fucking benchpress is insanely busy. I've never there's never been a time. Unless like usually go early in the morning, go between the hours six six eight. But if I leave later half seven, then usually it's scalable busier time I've ever seen it free is I lo- window just off the seven of seven AM because the the guys that go to gym at six to seven they usually bounce because our usually get ready and go to work and in the people coming in late. Let me. Finding a window. You can sometimes find a way to freeways every bit freed up. But usually for the most part, the Ben press, busy, always somebody on the bench press. And if I'm being mean, which I don't intend to be mean by from being all truly mean, the people on the bench press. Look like, you know. The last Finnish worrying about dealing benchpress. Let's say that right. They should be worrying about other things. But they're so inevitably idea of getting the so, but maybe it's maybe it's just because you know, usually the Jim Guy has that stereotypical, buddy. Or as kind of Jim buddy where they usually only focus on the upper buddy and focus on the legs. So the legs super skinny, but on a really well defined or big muscular upper body 'cause they're concentrate is kind of, you know, overhead so oppressive dumb bills on the on the on the little seat thing that they run Cup. Sometimes. What am I do those calls? Those of what you could tease whatever they when you have the Dumbo you bring up to up to you. The is facing downwards so bench and the again lot bench presses maybe to focus on the chestnut shoulders. But whatever they're doing someone's got to tell them that you have to worry about things in my opinion against just my opinion. But finished fixing things. But you know, that's always busy. So I'm always having to kind of crank up the set so the squat or the bench press. I don't so the platform to deliver don't want to be that guy waiting around way area someone to finish. Just I hate it. When people do to me when they like all the way into finished, and you can go on Jimmy. Let's not communicate here. Stop with the communication. No communicator. Okay. No, communicate them. Sorry. No, saying, no, say, okay. No say. Yeah. That was fairly enjoyable when I think I might tweaked a little something in my neck, or my show the blades came a little bit stiff by power through that Mousa and finish off my sets doing a four four hundred Mia rose with twenty Caleb. Oh, swings and ten push ups, which is fairly decent and kind of finish finished out about fifty minutes. Overall from start to finish, I really try to pack as much as I can go sickle hard superintendents. And in kind of get out get the fuck out that no hanging around. No being on my phone browser gone Bresnan into on the wifi shit. Like, none of that just get in and up plus that places in the most enjoyable health habits will place the hang about in a gym with no windows. Isn't the best place to hang around when everyone's just, you know, oh, no windows, you can open whenever I just kind of you know. Suck it in suck. At each office. Perspiration in bodily fluids is not the best place to spend your weekends or week days for the most part so yet run out there. And now, I'm here with my hands a bit sort of fucked up. You know, we do what we have to do because we have to do what we do. So under subject something I so quickly actually, which was something very interested me was this debate that I've been hearing been spoken about lot with the team. You know, if if it Cup drill happening every day, it drew also, which is quite cool receving draws a little bit, you know, a little bit flat. But it's interesting in English football. That is weird tabu or there's nowhere to this fingering football where some of the middle mid-table size. Let's differences would rather filled an undershirt side and FA Cup rotate the entire T. When ties scored not really care if they go out, but then maintain. Energy into primer league when they going to do anything, right? They're not going to win the league they're gonna finish four and not going to get rid of gate. They're not with sort of like, you know, safety spot evident used to occupy window management under David Moyes. But they don't want to try and win one trophies specially a trophies difficult bit magic towards it that kind of custody measure nation of the British public the nation over, but it don't wanna do that. They'd rather just, you know, scrapping Premier League for what is very very weird procedure. And it kind of maybe maybe think of it more you ever day because those little loss against wolves to one and they Sherm side. And yeah, don't get me wrong. Live off at top of the permanent that fighting pre hardened tramp is Lee, maybe one the strongest teams in Europe. But I think as we as proved that side that failed played against wolves second-string kinda side. Maybe the second maybe a third of second-string involved there some of the kids involved, but I think everyone can attest anyone that? What? Football can agree that Liverpool. Our new maybe to a fringe away from their whole season capitulating, right? They don't really, you know, if if if if Virgil Van Dyke or a most Siler or go forbid Allison gets injured this centrally fucked Jermaine, so it's like if anything they should be trying to win every single game. They can with the place have available get to his father cat in a Cup competition, and in hope that they can you know, if if they do get injured they're big plays some of their second or third string can kind of pick up the mental and kind of get them over the line. But I don't understand why Liverpool as a team on getting more criticize or yoga club for case for fielding under-strength side. Like, I know your top of the league, but part of the reason part of the way of winning legal Paul reasonable. You can go quite far in Takao competitions is when you go fighting fronts, right because if actively newborn gonna finish us out for right 'cause know don't get me wrong. You're if you're if you're I you wanna win the league, but let's say. It was case scenario you're going outside of four right? You're gonna be you're gonna make a good Christophe in a Champions League for sure because they as good as any other side in Europe. So why not try and win the FA Cup? Why not try and get trophy cabinet? I never understood that. It's just something. I really really baffles me for the most part. I'm the game itself was very interesting. I think I'm seeing the safe from John ready again, which I think goes to show just how high level is full of the standard of goalkeeping right now. Remember back in the day. They used to be a time. When you second street, your second goalkeeper was absolute, you know, journeyman, right? Someone who you wouldn't trust playing in your side a league side, right? But nowadays like number one number twos is good at each other. They're both kind of fighting for number one sport. And usually the best keepers are you playing for the best clubs, you know? So and just in terms of general, flexes them is incredible. So this is a good example of it as a safe from Jim ready against a Greenwich curies. Free kick against wolves. And I fully just fucking fabulous. Just in terms of just pure places them it wasn't and again, John buddies goalkeeper who's kind of the forgotten man having left Norwich. He kinda did put up trees think us meant to be in the England squad wasn't he and any kind of was the euros? A think my euros. Then he kind of got big injury kind of sit in back, but a really highly goalkeeper, and he pulled off this like insane say look at. Security the referee. Didn't judge it as a as a safe? But that definitely was a same fingertips onto the content of crossbar, and it kind of goes along the line goes up lay insane insane insane goalkeeping from a really really high high level goalkeeper. So yeah, I just don't get him. I just don't get it. Liverpool should be trying to win everything. I think the fans were so no we want to have leagues different, blah, blah, blah. I think that level if you're if you're a player playing for those teams you want to win games, and you want to win trophies want to get them in trophy cabinet have a winning mentality and that kind of brings club to give the team to give in woods kind of fight the challenge yet to come. I just don't understand it. I just don't get it the money law. Don't get me wrong on that stuff. But for my basic thinking winning games makes a club more. Mesa more appealing. Right. You have people saying that? No, you should win Lynch. But I just don't understand. I just don't get it. I don't get. It does really actually a good debate about it's actually a minute ago on BT sport talking about it. And I didn't I it's just something that doesn't really make sense to me. But let me play this non I'll just see away say quickly here, Jim in Genesis. And a few of people speaking on BT sport about it get up on their plate this batboys. What do we think finished fall away? The FA Cup of. Fortunately, I didn't do either. But that stop with you rate. You cup. When you lost your fifty when it sixteen years later so FA Cup of Champions League. Well, the women's COPA thank now. Champions league. I would go Champions League events football as a low key badly fund. I cope would you? Absolutely. Yeah. Thumbs that's my club as well. Once why would you why would because we tried you really workout for one of the things you might be which toll funding cope, but the monetary aspects of winning the FA coping comparisons getting yourself into the jump is league is talking cheese that would huge impacts criminal Burnley. So I know that you say the squad and so on and so forth. But again, the Trump is league thing the money. Okay. Juniors makes a good point. Maybe the money is you get more money for winning took for for circle finishing. Imagine me saying winning talk for for finishing in four and a low prestige comes from the European sides and stuff and European sponsors world, sponsors, whatever may be. But as we've seen with Rangers and Celtic they're in Champions League every single season, right? And maybe kill Monika Haas. My finish the top to not out of it. Whatever may be. But who cares? So it going champ is it's just it's just a blip the beat it. Right. This argument that makes you attract better players also. John agree. So can Rangers example, they play in essentially a two team league right for the most part. Maybe some occasion some seasons if kill Monica Hoskin keep on to replace it can be a free team league. But you know, essentially is flat track. Bullying for them. They don't attract the best place such just signed Josiah's son from Pierce Jian loan right for the half of the season. They don't attract the the players all the clubs are off the track plays kind of on their Wayne maybe need to recover their of rebuild the reputation or young players like Timothy way needs to kind of boot of ever a petition for himself and guessing games under his belt. But the best talent going to play for Rangers. Also, take for that regard because they win the Champions League. But what actually gets Rangers Celtics excited is the fact that they win the leagues they might win the Scottish Cup. So I understand if your belly while you'd wanna finish full why. So you just go to the champions. He can get spanked by some John by some fire by team. You never knew existed doesn't make any sense. And again, it just goes to show. Just how walked the sense of thinking of is in in UK. I think we've we slowly come away from the whole who from football, right? So most assize even looking Everton, right? They have Marco Silva. They play football from the back of it. We've come out of that kind of bubble of teams outside the four playing horrible football by fitting, the last kind of thing to kind of die is this idea that just finishing just surviving is enough and not caring competitions. Right. That that that is. I think that the idea of surviving is basically a cut me said die, but new mall is thinking about it the more. I'm just trying to I'm trying to imagine that there might be a time right in the future way. The primitive introduces a trophy for finishing to talk for finishing in the top six something they might be an actual trophy. They might give to people. It sounds. Crazy. Sounds ridiculous. But I might do it demise should give you a trophy to lift up into kiss ship, which is fucking insane to think about it. Because just like, you know. You've you've kind of made the into requirements, right? You've you've qualified for the race. And then you'll get a trophies. I got any sense and kind of goes back to us before in our point costs about the rate of like people turning up two big races Murphy, and the kind of the no show rate is super high. Because essentially you get rewarded because you're you landed a spot in a very coveted race. Right. A racist oversubscribed. Gosport and that. And that a conviction himself and people make it seem make you feel as if is victory or the company self urging might send you a little Cheryl graphic, you can show you Instagram on Facebook. That says, oh, I go into the Chamie on blah, blah, blah, and that feels like a victory, right? When you get those people kinda like in your pitcher all your status that's a win. When really the wind is Krista finishing line. The win is actually turning up in the day and doing the job the win isn't finishing top four to win his lifting trophy aloft your head and kissed me and saying look at January came on. But hey, ho, what do I know? That's how could show let's see again. It'll be fucking interesting and super funny indices livable, finish completely trophyless. Right. They'll look back on this. Every Cup thing. We could have probably done something imagine it's a favorable tie. Most the big teams again kept a for the most for the most part apart from Oslo in my night. Why not try to win the Trump? Why not try to win their Cup? You'll be interesting might imagine messy pack them to the Premier League by a couple of points. They can. Mcdonagh Champions League in a win. And Kirby trophyless then was appointed. Having a great side. You have to have some trophies to win low side. It's not enough just playing good football. In my opinion against enough is not enough. Anyways, apart from debts Wilson listed day. Oh, some shows from yesterday. I reviewed a couple of shows that happened under freshly week die full were quite interesting. Cool miss of wrapped up already headed the heading west the camera way. So bent, Bentley should be not that shouldn't it. Right. It's always been under. No why maybe it's throws Ben see the show Ving of anyone who. It's not to Milan, and it's going to hit up to Paris seeming. Right. And yet another kinda base it. So it's heading off blood streaks rep is a pretty good feel for the most part the older the people that you expect it to come show and perform a well have done. So the crate greens of this world that Milwaukee what kind of there again. And basically in effect would say set the baba did what they usually do. Some people say it's the same thing over and over again. But I think there is a real talent in kind of honing a particular shape right season season out because you could argue the same could be said for recoveri-, right? Once you one recurring show, you might have seen maybe all of them. But in every season is able to kind of hone his over designed DNA and kind of use it in different shades materials difference or patents is kind of interesting. It's kind of a Bill on season season out. Right. So the Craig green idea I'm a big fan of. And it's been a couple of shows. I've also been big final going to get up here on the. Screen. Let me make this four screen. I split capture transform added to screen that we go. So I one I think that was cool was a cold wool. I'm I'm gonna say something that I'm up didn't think of the only four of this morning. But I watched it called wall livestream. It was going on. And see I saw that they had never kind of performance of element associated this one into one before had had a guy cracking. Some guy naked painted red or died. Read who's gonna crack Naveh books with these ways of like wave type of creatures kind of running around with their heads off like slick back with look the mazing right and very apropos considering that it was just a season before veg was gonna show I taught in silos being budgets protege. It was something resonate quite well with that. And other see it being one of the shows after the whole investment bump and really kind of really ramp up the production every seen that kind of. Cold wolf kind of going for somebody else. Trying to its flag in the ground as saying I'm here to stay. I'm a big designer in London. Right. And obviously, you know with Virgil showing in Paris two full days off the really kind of set the by kinda showed. Okay. Vo jobs really bring in terms of what he was gonna present. So I like to. But then sometimes of me, I think what performance I think regarded as mentioned a couple of times taste. Runway of designs. He does I think sometimes it can be a feeling especially for some of the soul of heady Avante. God may be intellectual designers out there. They can maybe get a bit too small for their own good, and it can be sometimes which Makoni overdramatize collection in terms in in order to add something to it. But insists you doing taking takeaway from the question because it can still be a bit distracting so cold warm fan of a love love semi roses, kind of a respective offerings. Sometimes he can't get bit waffling. These interviews and east. For the sake of trying to sign intelligent. You'll use kind of really big big was describe something can probably describing Lamond stunned for the most part. But I think what he's trying to do is pushing out the in terms of what it represents as young black man living in London trying to break into the fashion scene and trying to do on his own terms with very Pacific Pacific point of view and started his telling other things I mentioned before wayside. I think he's again, I think a lot like Virgil is I I don't really I'm not a swear to save. I don't I don't really take. I don't really try over criticize their work. I just think what they represent is far greater than what they're doing is to say that because they're black. I'm supporting them. No. It's just a I think when the general scheme of things look at the landscape refreshing looking to people in different. How's it looking at the voices? That are being the voices are being propelled looking at that voice devices. Keep getting the same sort of sensual gigs will these things around data the policies vote in the fresh industry. I think is really important to have. Virgin Samuels at different ends of the kind of fashion hierarchy on the difference of airs, everyday my occupy in order for the fans or the consumers out there to kinda see that it's possible to wanna do it too. When I first going vote in street wear while involved in seen, my passion was to be a James, Jeb. Yeah. Right. Somebody's involved in terms of making things happen, right? I didn't necessarily just want to be a consumer or just a customer. Right. I wanted to be someone making the thing. And I didn't see any. I didn't see any difference between a j j myself, right? I saw somebody had an amazing idea. Execute the hit and it just went, right? But I just think we're capable of doing it. But it just takes a bit of guts courage to kind of do it yourself. I in the first place, but there are the publisher people out there who don't necessarily see themselves reflected in in the people that own these Browns, these companies and don't necessarily think and they need to be given permission. And also, I don't agree with that point of view, but people that do exist. All right. So it needs to be given to be given a chance permission to do something. And a way that it can be done is by people that look like you do in that you want to do all MAC, you're going to be oh, I can do that to our can do it my own way. That was actually what you mean. So sometimes I can I can kind of see both sides. See why some people would criticize a virtual semi Rusk because they're, you know, they're probably masters of PR, right? They must participate solves in some ways. They're mosses at trying to make people must have getting their voices and certain publications wherever Virgil fucking spamming, older contemporary new sites interviews and features when you design Miami wherever Sammy rose gain, his interviews in certain places, long-form interviews blow Blau this stuff in mentioned, the he's doing outside of it. That particular reason why he's blowing because they've been able to understand the design element bits of it being able to tap into what's going on in the coach was like guys and oversee the Moscoso promotion, they do way. Own way, as kind of front facing or as as kind of a schmo shameless. But as as best as maybe Virgils about talking by himself, but it's too expert ways. And it's no surprise it. When these wars all over the place that you know collection is Stockton. Maybe over one hundred stock his now the moment is raking in the money is because able to kind of Mel these things again when people criticize I think, they criticize from the point of view of like, yes, there may be more skilled designers out of who should be getting more recognition, but just like in a music industry, just like in a contemporary industry. Just like maybe in athletics or some respects sometimes the personality and the talent needs to marry right? Need to be able to promote yourself and oversee have the talent to come match. You know, the the talk your pointing out there may right? You. You know, you can't talk all the shit may over does. If you actually good at boxing, you need to be able to match copy conscious be silent not saying Jack shit. You have see the most the biggest people that get the best price outta ones are able to sell the fights able to create a Bill control. Cathy. I kind of you know, call out an opponent. I kinda use the media to India. Forever advantage. You have to be able to do in this day and age it's possible in the same way designer you have to be able to understand marketing has to be on the Senate Bill sales. A merchandising understand all these parts kind of make your brand says, no all all. Kind of buddy up with somebody who understands that. But it has to be an acknowledgement of that so Sunday roses collection. I fought was fairly good again Bill on what they're why saw in the previous collection. But again, like I mentioned I'm a bit hesitant to say. But I would I would I would hope in further clashes coming up. He'd kinda refrained from the performance side of it. I think maybe is getting a little maybe it's the second time and the very rents their production recently, again, they haven't been doing rumours shows for that long bat sometimes feel sometimes it performance out of it is taken away from it. And again is trying to over intellectualize on in that could maybe be explained by just the the clothes themselves. It doesn't need to be so many factors behind it. Does just me. And my my point of view by the close himselves. I'm a fan of it lockup always said I like what he does. I think is very interesting. I'll get some of the looks up here on the screen. So you can check it out. So it's a cold will full. And again, the cost is cool. This is London. Standard London thing. Everyone was kind of needs to kind of react to this and kind of make a big sullen don's about including people of different races and creeds and body shapes sexuality in London's just pob DNA. We're just this is what this is what we do for the most part. I just. I mean, snow something we kind of like fly up our banner about by as quarter senior regardless so causing his great close. Also nice excess reserve really ramped up on exerted. You can tell some money behind them because they're having to meet different business obligations, but the accessories range, the bags range is really been ramped up. And obviously it that my time with the fact that he's making a capture questionable battalion bags made of something hype show by level of it. I love these kind of of this Loza jackets with lows modular lows of pocket. So lover the chest of it kind of reminds me again, I think I remember seeing an old head porta. I think it might have been a tactical or a jacket. Click. Remember the question, I think should withdraw designed where it had all the tiny pockets over it like was done really kind of gave me a little bit of goosebumps, mama skin crawl who bit will be tiny book it. But it was quite cool to see. Kind of taken that idea and kind of Bill it again. Nice trousers. I like the shoes here. So I think he is taking a cue on the stuff that he probably wears. And so of made his own source. Stan smith. Kind of like fin canvas shoe for the most wolf in kind of low top for the most part that's building upon nighclub ration-, which I really like again lows of nice vest that they doing lows of nice color blocking. Nice details and all that malarkey again. Like, I said, it does this isn't the tin for the most part. I feel Cold War's probably one of. I don't I don't show how you wanted class himself. If it was about God, if it was more than contemporary, whatever may be, but in that kind of room wherever it may be probably one of the most wearable things out day is easily tied into stuff that you already have in your wardrobe. Nice little details. Mix up this suiting is incredibly nice. I love this. Hopefully seem summit was wearing some of this role life to because he's banging out that icy Miaki pleated outfit. People kind of wearing with a pencil sues movie nights. They seem kind of ways on gear every day for like everyday where for instance, this is a nice I've really liked the tone on this as well. And how how the proportions of solve like fucked up with again, really cool, and they get lows of lows of bags lows of nice little big again lows of performance of e pieces. Here's all which is interesting. Yes. So older. No, very nice collection are kind of like this all over promotional who's on most of his spray paint on here might be might be might be a kid or something that might have been stabbed don't show. But a love this hoodie on the peruta a lot more of this overprint minds. We're getting a lot of undercover this whole kind of look could be of old school on the cover into the look until even piping on the trials and stuff. But again, I I'm a big fan of Africa or looks incredible. I like how Slota model walking around way that will grieve slopes. I'm taking back in continue walking again might tied and again with the two rivers on either side with creatures in the water. You know, looking back on what you come from. How far you've com, blah, blah, blah in a people on the pull you back. I don't know there's some there's something in there to be said for it. But rule declation. This this coat looks circle long her hair that always do these little spray pain Dita's. I'm big fan of raw edges overseen Zo Sukova and a love this as well. I'm not sure if they done done it the hood not with a hat like this. I saw about the hood that they usually do cold wool. I think in an actual as a snap back that see that in the questionable MoMA bugging mantra show up. I remember seeing it and again update a Calloway's on the Nike liberation idea recently. So we're gonna see a few more of those coming. I think maybe the middle of the are the soom so finished read fitness this Calloway here, which is kind of white and great enough is enough a grayish color way to coming. Zoe's looks interesting so Royal Greg collection. I'm a big fan of what seven rosters Cold War of roll off in the styling war is pretty interesting down the pre could way finesse again done in house to but in house team. Yeah. A great collection. Something really on the rate of in Nicole was scarves that do. Really fucking cool scarves. It comes to and I can abrasion that nice. That do really really nice comfy scarves. I'm not sure. What MoMA to they made of musher? If they're Thompson wall. I'm not sure if the Kashmir, but the the scarves of really really nice, you know, I haven't seen actually which I think they could discontinued or might be the make the move away from the the soft side bags. Yeah. Or the Roadman bicycle seen? I've not seen discussion. Okay. Maybe the moving away from them of rule. Okay. We have one here. But they don't have the ones that they usually did back in the day. But yeah, scarves, a really nice. And of course, I'm coming at the at the at the end with these new boondoggle, which is nice to see. So. Yeah, I think this representation of Rona runway just nice finger rule the kids not nice as more than nicer superintendent. I think full the criticism team. I get for the metrics of the collections or sometimes the me or there's not much whatever may be wherever Chris might be out Daffy and just what represents for young kids out there. Trying to make it in the scene. I think is very very very important, especially considering the plethora fucking kids who are just. A no. What you call it scooping up in Hoover and consuming low. These bullshit brands when they could be doing so much more themselves by getting involved with making Zine starting agency, you know, making making fashion brand it can begin both so easily themselves. Good to see somebody like some kind of out there on the forefront show and the kids what is possible if if you decide to on yourself and take a book and chance so yes that was really nice Muros. Our Cold War for winter collection round up a few more Bisa four nice was decent to. But they're always consistently solid fixture in the London fashion week, London fashion week lineup usually do a good job of kind of you know, that sort of Chevy tracksuit look as Chevy allow yards h have anymore motorshow. But whatever that look is the kind of honed it down. Really really, well, I know someone is actually got a couple of track pants from them in always kind of swear by them. The amazing. So there was a big fan of. Kowa? So again, a loved electric blue or call bubbly wherever you quote, I've seen a lot that the season. Actually, they beat on runways of Finca saw couple of pieces from code will use the same color, and maybe a few a question to that. I saw yesterday. So maybe that is another full trend happening for full was seeing a lot of snapback Bill. Hats Francis for the most part of high wore trousers trousers kind of ending just just above the ankle a love these pants here at Sheila really nice, and again, just a I'm just a big fan of a cold cut in general these trials to with the zips over the front of him. They have really nice baguette cut Kowa did not had an absolutely bombed stolman collection too big fan. So if you like that recommend you check that out as well that a are the while the boys. And then what else did I like foot was coal here. You've got John is on the Skelton. This is quite interesting collection. They showed a finger and pub somewhere in London. The models were all street cost. Look like for the most part very eclectic range of models who I assume would be in a working in different kind of industries may be a couple of offers Hopley musicians involved in there somewhere maybe some artists and there were walking around this pob in in London. And I think what my heard the public quite dimly lit with candles on the table, and the kind of models will kind of interacting without interacting weird. So of Mike enough a theater act so offended kind of interacting with people statue people's phones. Are they hands? Whispering into the air. Which is quite interesting. So yeah, I thought that was quite nice performance, the performance element of the show of role, quite interesting. So I'll get up on the screen. So you can see that it is. So this John the skeleton collection for winter. So again, lows of nice dandyish looks Loza plaza. Kind of reminds me of the in Westwood not respect spot can just more tied into the kind of London landscape for the most part of it. You definitely to see a few of these kind of older dad's walking around Mayfield stuff. You know, relieve narrow the time drinking Guinness at two pm in the afternoon. So that's quite cool to see. Yeah. Overall, a solid collection shoes here like these trousers looks on this guy. Yeah. So fairly interesting. If you're into that kind of milk of role. So I like that I thought that was pretty nice for Alexander Skilton that available in London quite like this look actually over the scarf tied around him. Try to run the long hair dripping down, which was quite cool. An and what else I saw that was quite interesting, shall I again? I think I mentioned previously did not finish the Ever Fortune of what was interesting with what into well for thousand Feddie sodas collection. And then last but not least pair gotta sin someone of any kind of discover the last couple of seasons. So far by discussion was fairly fairly solid wall. Something people talk about actually on the south been browser by this question. By was really nice. I'm lows again. Lows of great boots. Everyone smashing a business of Catholic Libration. But these look really good with the looks or above again what a head on this outfit of rural. Nice again, those I think everyone again, maybe to performance piece in the cold woman. Take that back just everyone in London has something just fat Trix as well. As what we are St. Charles Jeffrey did the same thing. He's actually had people in. I think in above topless fade like froing confetti stuff around to maybe just pop impossible London's landscapes, maybe some Russia. Listen to me anyway, regardless continue to, but this was pretty equal collection of robot. Lows of interesting looks those interesting shapes a love this skin bang stuff. You know frequent. Shuts stuff sharing of Betty abdomen. Whatever it may be lows of mass shootings. Here's all those great Laslo, double breasted. Soochow which make it a big big comeback last couple of seasons. Interesting scoffed there, I love these looks have been a few days. Look Senate with a really tight long-sleeve nice black jeans and boots off incidents of seeing quite a lot trade in collections kinda look was suffering. Nice. I like it 'cause it's very masculine kind of you know, you can show the kind of Aflac form that you do have you know, with the shoulders soda neck on the on the neck holiday. I think of some interesting ways, you can interpret that look I'm a big fan of it. Again. More details with the crop. Looks more massive wide show the suit jackets again, which I'm real big fan of it again. I just love love the overnight. Details of this'll poke it will make hia. Nice boot details again. The voice of the yellow democracy capitalism. Right. Look over caterpillars and again couple of Sanders designer himself so rule Greg elections. I think ever in London so of like gave themselves nice Pat on the back of the good job for the most part in a meager to see what several gonna show in Paris coming up. It's going to be a bomb stolman collection pass confidence couple of days Milan's, usually something to kind of ditch and not repay tension to it isn't to see who walks. The the G will after the hallway m runway to the whole debacle in China into see some of these social media activists who always given a choice kinda get flown down to Milan to whether one if they're going to take a stance and not walk the runway show in Milan about will the Packers just happened. You know, I assuming probably not I'm sure they probably won't give a flying. Fuck yet. That is it's an optimal land in Paris. So that's my fashion week round up done for the most part less flick into some. Topics. I had here listed what do I have here? But. Fat shaming the last taboo. Let's see here. Let's get this screen down. So I can watch this long think so. I saw this video is to call the BBC for this was fairly interesting. So about fat shaming try and be as sensitive as I can regarding the subject because I have some skin in the game with it too. But yet, let's watch the video listen to a few bits. What's going on? I think some of his annotate and some is via the pod costs out. You know, I'll read aloud why see on the screen and for the stuff that isn't you'll be able to hear it bit older so showed their fresh among is lost booed article says, not not yet Ishak and Leander Lewis have been campaigning against the discrimination stereotyping of people who have white they say fat, shaming often full to be acceptable. Because people believe being of white self-inflicted. This kept us from five live, code Nash washes and see what is long ladies have to say. Your your diabetes waiting to happen. You may be happy. But your kids want be when you die. You put strain on the NHS glorifying obesity. And I don't want my girls thinking, okay. These are just some of the comments Leander has received about her way. The end there. Nadia want to challenge stigma associated obesity? Major this year. They makes it. Uniform. And I pre- one them Email that. NSA? He needs to pay the size this this is. Yes, yes. Yes. I get the humiliates yet to other people trying t shirt that doesn't even fix overmuch. Find it. Okay to coming. But that's weird. Right. So the first bit is ready strange because she's complaining, I just think. There has to be an acknowledgment. Right. That there is that there can be outlined right out lies do exist. Right. So if you if you took a population of people for people, and you said, okay, generally, everyone was Desai's. But generally people are underway people to over weight. Those outliers have to be responsible for ensuring that wherever they are. That's probably a bad way to pose is fucked up, whoever they have to eat your ability isn't if you're a bigger person to let someone know that maybe you need to be accommodate for right? And I get her get her bother get it. Right. You'll have to wear uniform and uniforms, even of someone that isn't foul Roy's annoying. She used to work at game. And when I game is to have to wear that picked up purple polo that they used to give you an never fit, right? Sometimes you get would say it was a large. But it was it was a last four years ago when some guy warrior and washed a million times they've put it in the tumble dryer. That's shrunk Hilo obits. This time get it is super tight your fucking members of sticking out. You super awkward you hate the fucking job because the pay minimum wage is annoying. I think even people are not overweight, and I think you've ever have you ever walked into shook and see something asto uniform in fall yet efforts. Right. It's always fit clunky. Right. They've always especially even guys. Can shops have to wear uniform the trousers always look like fucking, you know, jogging buttons at so big shiny 'cause they've active I in over and over again a million times don't wanna buy another pair trials. Don't want. Invest any sort of money into the hate. So in general, no, one looks good in uniforms unit was always use always what they always feel a bit, you know, customer big and clumsy in it just doesn't look good. So I think if you're someone that's big on you have to kind of ask for special treatment about the clothes that you went to special. Can you want you want to be given clothes fit you and you want to know the let the people know head of time. Hey, these are my needs. And you get that. It doesn't happen. Cool. That's annoying. But I don't think you can attribute that it's totally the for the company, I think just sometimes outline, especially when you're I don't know. I don't know. What sizes these women are in terms of Weber size women, plus sixteen wherever you might be. It just, you know, not many people are going to be making clothes are going to fit. You exactly even. Even in the high street stores that k was fashion. Let learn in uniform might be a little bit. You know, it might be a little voted to faint your workplace is going to get it completely right even hatred. Doesn't get right. When they you know, they might wrongly lay. There might say sixteen mountain will be a sixteen to you. Right germy. So I don't know. That's something. I'm not that free sold on. But let's continue the video more than to say. As opposed to somebody else. They would go to somebody else and say, you have your alcoholic. Anything feel quite at the him. To you should. I'm not sure that happens. I'm not sure I'm not sure that that is true. I'm not sure there's many people that are going to go up to a fat person say oh my God. You're so fucking fan. That's mad at super mean. If anyone's really going to do I think me being a form of I never really got people coming up to be saying stuff like that you might go indirect statements. Right. So one of my stories when I was a former fatty that happened to me was I was in Uniqlo finishes when Uniqlo kind of maybe launch the first five or so years, they launch everyone was kind of go in there to get their gear because it was very very now. It's not so much as kind of skewed a bit European in terms of this close that they put in the shops the stuff, but when it first launched being Japanese brand and me being an addict of Japanese street where you used to get a lot of great stuff from there. Right where salvage jeans rose, great, jackets, great body warmers and lows of it had not old kind of stuff that you might have seen from Japanese brands from yesteryear. Right. So it'd be a good place to kind of go to kinda cheat. And kind of kind of like, Pat up your wardrobe. Bob me being a bigger dude back, then I think I might have been about two hundred sixty pounds. So I was quite fat dude might be like a sci-fi waste, and I remember eagerly trying to get para suburbs. Denims when my kind of hundred genes of guy in a slow death. And are also on the source is kind of helped me out get bigger size. And she kinda something kind of fro away like sorry. But this style doesn't it doesn't this is the size. It comes in. And it's not gonna get any bigger than this. Right. It's not gonna fit you. And you're gonna think there wasn't any. I think it was the three six one. There wasn't much difference. I think kind of raise up and she was a four nations. Like, maybe you're just a thing. She insinuate that. Maybe you just too big and oversee another say at that time. Because obviously, I've always had big fires rivalries. I really let's let's say muscular FIS, right? But when you get fat that must get a fire tone. It's just pure fat. So my my waist my been not that big. But my fi combination of fucking us makes it so that genes don't really fit me. Right. Because you know, they might. Fit on the ways, but they're not gonna fill in the legs. By the time. We try and get them up. So I was bitten stroll. But again that public shaming the shook didn't make me change. It didn't make me change my habits, or maybe changed the way I kind of live my life. And I really didn't. I really again that was the only time someone public came up into me. Everything else was kind of like insinuate all kind of said without saying, right? When you're when you're when you're an escalator, and you're kind of walking up this game people standing on a rat inside. When you're a bigger guy. Everyone moves because you'll coming up the stairs. You're like you're not moving people moving away because I don't wanna be knocked over. And you again, I'm biased, but you kind of feel that you kind of food that shame. When you sit in a train, and you already sitting down people kinda voiding since you don't wanna be cramped in with your fucking shoulders elbows kind of overlapping in space, or when you're about to sit down in the free spaces between some chairs and people kinda squirm and got away because you're going to overfill the room. Those are these things happen again. They don't chain. They don't make you change your behavior of well to be five rule. It's a decision. You have to make yourself and that decision came much much later on in my life. When I was finally, you know, I was kind of getting around the scene. I was kind of become a popular. I kind of saw that. I maybe had a personality that people might likes and stuff, especially when it came to gills by was never kind of getting many ios right now. Hold on. I'm a much cooler due to some of these guys getting these gills in the scene. I think I'm not that bad looking. But the one thing that's kind of ruling me out every other person out of a mating game one. This kind of really not helping me. My favor is the fact I'm kind of obese right for the my high wherever I am. I'm away. I'm way overweight. So something I can't get into control because a comedy myself buffer right for the most part you make yourself. Look more attractive anything that you can do changes, maybe your clothes and your weight, but the man of cage that really happens when you change your diet, and you lose a couple of pounds, and maybe change what you wear to suit your buddy shape with maybe suit your style. Or maybe you kinda hone your style in you can't you can't emphasize how much more attracted that makes you even if you have a personality, for instance, I'm lucky I have a personal jam going. Right. I'm not going to be a wolf law. I am fairly confident to strangers ship. But if you don't have the personality, just changing diet and get into some shape and change the closer you wear considerably make take you from a two to a six easily and governor to six guys a big big news, right? Because that means it opens up opens of the land and tells the who you can attract. Again, I'm only saying is for people that want to attract mates want to attract partners. If you don't care about us off, no problem. But again, I don't think ever in my life of someone county and point to say, hey, fry is we've been indirect things that have been sitting again. I don't blame them because. Yes, you are. You're outlier. You have to admit that an pet train? You are maybe one of five or six people are generally of weight. Everyone else for the most part is VIN their boo Parker that way. So it doesn't it doesn't behoove people to say some things when you look much different than anyone else. I don't I don't take you as an offense same way when I went to Prague, and I was looking around with the brunette tub being super pay me being incredibly duck and progres staring us. I'm not going to be offended by I'm going to be annoyed by they don't say anything derogatory writing. I get it. Right. Not many people come around in the city who look like us. It makes sense to stay. It's no problem whatsoever. Anyway, let's continue to video. He's. Michael questions. By pairing? You're on like. Hundred sixty tweaking tiny. It's that's not micro Gretchen or someone saying I think the fact the her exit and large she emphasized that my ex law. She's so happy together anymore. But. Who says that right? My ex sister-in-law. Whoa. We're centers. Someone's wants to say someone said to me once I remember why have to say typically who it was just again necessary details, but I think this excess been low ever whoever that person is she was a bit cine for saying, you're brave brave. Forbearing your arms, right? You're brave for having to work in sub degree temperatures on fucking crazy worksite middle of summer that might be brave, but I don't think brave bearing on. This is ridiculous might be. It might be. There might be some courage above Nicosia, social tobu's or social contract might let you know that maybe you shouldn't be bearing your food barris because again, this will you write your who's embarrassed. Most people don't care 'cause we know you're never really got stuck. When if you're over weight isolate myself, if I was away when I was way, I only wear black T shirts room was aware watch your sweet because see the flop moving around. But people know, you're fat is you're not, you know, no-one shocked. No one's forty anyone by covering with black clothing. We all know. So you're big it's that when people going to impose and it don't take this shows off. And I that because I'd never go next Walker and constant anyway by never did. Anyway, I'll take off my share. Why am I gonna have my show? If I'm I know I'm fat. We will know everyone around me knows on fat to while not cover myself with that thing again is something is more of your is more of her problem as opposed to again, people are going to judge sneakers off and look go look at the wobbling around. But we know your big I mean after the first look it kind of goes away. No one's registering staring at you free or four times. They might be one or two looks here and there, but that is what isn't it? Crazy. Outfit like are people going to? We're gonna get fashion Isa's coming out and saying I feel like it's my microaggressions people say to me, I'm so brave awareness like, Caterpillar or the cheetah print suit. No, you're fashiony. So you have to accept that. What you're wearing is not something in the norm. People don't usually go out dressed head to tone or green. So people are gonna look at you. And think that's quite wait on is you see that. But again, it's your furtive. Right. But it's not it's not the it's not supposed to be for everyone else to kind of suddenly changed the way they look at people just to make you comfortable. You have to understand that you look the way you look, and that's going to garner some looks attention. But it's up to you to kind of sets down. Fuck. I don't care. I'm play my arms out there. And that's it and again is mostly her issues. I don't know if people care about and again, maybe it's a woman to only hear women took about our moms or I've never heard a guy say a gills on the fat. It's a woman things so women judging of women, which is really interesting to in that regard. Can still use. The usually the sexism was at. Hey doll. And you're gonna come home with me now that's being toned down. But it still now fully acceptable for somebody to to pull out in the street you go. Hey, can you can eat another pack of chips or something and that scene? Okay. To myself. But you have to kind of accept that. There is something about, you know, I think in general, I don't think I'm not sure how good I'm not sure how constructive is a society for us to finally get a less. Imagine. We get point where everyone kind of accepts that being fat is a norm. And you shouldn't be you should shame in this thing anymore. Is that healthy for anyone like shouldn't it be thing where you know, where sometimes you'd be up with old school, friends or old friends from that used to go out with and here that what to beings are doing so amazing things resentful, and if the embassy Philippine jealous, and you have that kind of tug, tugging, your heart. You're not doing shit, and you go home, and you write an action plan, and you try and follow it. They try and change your things that you're doing and try and make some changes. That's a good thing. Isn't it? It's a good thing to maybe have people in society who are maybe doing a bit bad. And you are so that when you speak some it remind you, oh, if he can do I can do it too. And it might be a good fan too. So deliver society where sometimes people can call you out on something you can change because there I there is the rare occasions. People out there who do have conditions that make the most to gain way or make them. You know, it might be a date with learning with that about science. Sometimes I remember listening to Jirga puck also someone I think my been taught to run the Patrick said that there are studies out. There have shown that women who are overweight during their pregnancy. But lose it before they give birth the child come up their child that their babies can be normal sized. But usually if you stay overweight, even for out your pregnancy, and you give birth of way, it's more likely your child's going to be avoid fucking crazy. These studies have shown so it does happen. There are cases where sometimes you not. Because you've got fat mom, you might be yourself can happen sometimes. But I think it does we do need to live in a world where some people you able to be challenged on something that you can buy laws change because for the most part. I know for me like I put muscle, and I pulled fabulously if I go off my diet, and I go crazy and eat whatever I want to eat. I'm going to gain some pounds at the point that I'm in now, I've gone. I dunno the best power five or so years. At kind of a normal essay, quote unquote, weight range, I was kind of really obese or overweight back in the day a few years ago. So I don't really have any more fat close less than a more. So it would kind of be it'll be in my serve any good. If I did gain weight back by buy new to accommodate the extra pounds have kind of have to keep myself in this particular kind of bracket for the most part, and that helps and general I feel better. Anyway, is something I enjoy to do is something that's a bit challenging a bit of a struggle to do daybreak. Kind of makes me gap in the morning and finicky I'm doing something. It's a grace amazing and structure our need. But I don't know how good it would be for my life of road to kind of have that out have that have one side of my life where con- control and have things in my left. I can't control. I just don't think that would really suit me in that regards as a personality, but see the last bits while they're saying. Out to wear therapies sees if you're. That defendant. I just think that's your own internal dialogue. I think when I was I had a lot of things I told myself a one lots do. But no one was telling me that. I just didn't do I'm leaving my mum when I was back in the day to the middle to shoes because my legs looks fucked. And that's your mom doing that. Parents can say mean things to have about that's people saying stuff to to kind of for your best interests. I don't want needs to be teased every may be in school. That's a good place. But most of the things that I said to myself, well, cut were so constructed. I was directing it to myself over my own insecurities. When people known was telling me, I couldn't wear a white t shirt, I was doing because I they want people to know down fat could see them at all these things are happening to was kind of influence into myself. So again, I just think was whole fat shaming thing. There was a lack of responsibility. I get not being mean. Right. I get it. I think that story is true. That woman saying that she can in the street and people yelling fat. Why don't you end up a pack of Christopher don't figures. True sounds of it made up. But if it did happen hustler. Sure enough in a super mean got I did as a fucking ticket right German. You shouldn't be doing to anybody. But there were some responsibility Chester needs to be responsible for your health and your weight, and the things that you do, and you know, that something's you can't change. You can't change the law things in life somethings that I look stock imploded, right? There are as they are you come out your womb, your parents, womb you country, your parents, your country's family. Sometimes you call him your friend, depending on what area you live in. But something you can choose something, you can't change your mind and your body, right? You can make sure that you, cultivate, a mind as resilient as shown and goes so taking fronts Billy for how your body is. Right. So what we have we have one shot in life expectancy for the most part if you dodging other things vices stolley stood up shortly. Decreases wanna live your life to the fullest as healthy as you can be. That's that's it. That's the only question if you don't mind being fat, and he might be of weight. That's cool. But what you do is. Then suddenly these. Constraints on people in terms of how the actual you that isn't fair, right? If you take this into be thought to expect a sect the response be comes say about celebrities. Oh, why they're complaining about that stuff? What you sign up for agree with it? But there is some merit to it. Right. Of the public eye and people chastise you people praise you they kind of turn turn back inside hate on. You you have to take both sides of it yesterday. The negativity save you if you want to be accepted society being cool, no problem. But if you get teased for it, you can't complain. Right. It will if people say why don't you lose weight, you can't complain even because generally people whose wage people come to the way, there's a wizard slip. I've been day. I'm like, I said being an expert t I kind of know that it's very personal decisions a very personal journey. Some of the things you kind of go through knowing those only your things that you'll go for your insecure is kind of this lows of things that happen in your head at the same time. But I just think turning it into some activism thing turning it into a micro aggression turning into. I don't know. Like, you're the victim is a little bit weird little bit bizarre. Something I wouldn't necessarily encourage people to do. But again what the fuck do. I know. It was next tier? Female Yosef smashes a this is quite interesting story. So this this Brazilian this Brazilian may fire was in Brazil, and some what you call. Some guy tried Jacka fight, I'm assuming and unfortunately landed into the wrong person to the photo of imagine of all the place every measurable, the people you could try to Jack Afon of from a current UC fighter. Right. Femur that to just absolutely smashed. He's facing and the stories fucking hilarious. So really little bit. Now. On Saturday night around eight pm local time meant tried to still use pollyanna Vienna's phone only. Did she leave into handy? Bosa paying for the mistake on Sunday kind of the events according to waiting for an Uber in front of apartment complex and in the west zone of genera when Matt approach that he must have been sneaky. Because when she knows his presence. He already got quite close. When I saw when I saw when you saw him. He's sat next to me. He acts made the time I said it and I saw he wasn't going to leave. So I'll ready moved to put my soul in my waist. And then he said give me the phone don't try and yet because I'm armed then he put his hand over a gun by realize it was too soft. Was really close to me. So if it's a gun he won't have time to drawer it. So I stood up. Fruita punches in the kick. He fell down and I caught him in a red naked, choke hockey. Hell then I sat with him. Then I sat him down in some in the same in the place where we were and said now await for the police. So there's a big also fuck it. But there's something so communist shoring right about about learning. Martial arts learning any sort self defense that when you when you're in a situation like that life or death for the most part, right? Was most average everyday folk somebody's frightening. You take your Fernan? They have what you think might be a gun, right? Your fight or flight system. You might just want to give over to gather this way of getting killed, but there is a sort of commerce, right? That kind of resting hobby. Right. You kind of breathing and breathe and just really assist. You look at him look closely as you see the gun, softy, assists, oldies finishes assist. She four K one all econ draw the gun this close to me. Anyway, couple of punches couple of kicks renegade. Choke is out like amazing fucking amazing. And again, I remember I remember I remember that being afraid when I learned a bit more tie. When I went for fucking four weeks. Did the did the groupon. Classes pot of money wants do it. Right Daichi that I just wanted to be calm situations. I didn't wanna be they want to John Jones. That's not gonna happen anyway. Right. But I just went to being appointed to be able to become a fan. Louis C when I used to get into really tense situations arguments in the street, I'd get really Xiaojing loud. And usually that was over compensate because how scared I was had to convince myself. Okay. You know scared. Go fridge. I mean, do that sort of thing. But when you learn any so on Tarawa where I learned tells game punch getting kicked in the leg. What you start to realize that the Mokaba you want the better you are fighting. What is the USCC books? People come to ring any already. This guy's going to lose. Why'd you say that because you see a tense day? All right button down the mouthguard. They're ready tightly wound up their showed scrunched up here. I mean, they're putting the shows up towards Nick, they're not nice and loose. And when someone's nice and loose. They're always always more likely than not perform much better. So imagine everyday everyday public in street and some street rubber cars rubbing what happens. And of course, the fucking affects of it were incredible is what to say I have a picture here actually of the guys facing the end of it, which is so pursual funny as well. So yeah. So you here, obviously. Robots fac- on the right and the lovely pollyanna. Hey on on the left absolutely sparked him that looks tells a lot more that I know she's is a statement. But it looks a lot more than a couple of punches kick at arena that looks like she hit him with a fucking elbow a couple of head butts. Maybe he looks fucked up. But yeah. Bad Lachmann, imagine. That's when you know, you have the worst luck, you go and Jack someone's phone, and you happen to bump into because she doesn't look like at UC farmers woman. UCF is look quite you know. What you look quite Greg. Maybe Manley, quote, unquote, by a lot of new generation Yousef is coming in very very feminine. Looking berry attractive. You have no idea they were fucking years champions by looking at it, just it's just a fairly very attractive Gil, he wouldn't fix you. She's gonna fucking throw elbows face, and choke you out in five seconds fucking incredible. But also lets you know that. A fairly decent level. UFC? Fighter would knock out most dudes one. That's quite scary. Looking figure out right? Most you know, she's. Regular one file something right here. One ten and two so decent record. But a fairly decent use. You fight a woman right and got anyway pick. What you want would probably fuck up. Most dudes in a cage them up fucked them up. No time couple of kicks couple elbows. Right. Kind of stay out striking the big do you might be able to smother, but she stays outside of striking distance. Like, she'd be able to fuck you the fuck up which made it even more funny. When I saw that thing about Gordon challenge in Jack Giacomi fight Jack made just reading raven than YouTube. He's never gonna accept it. 'cause imagine he gets knocked out in Ellicott looks you out that is mad and machine which is fairly should probably shook fairly Fischler sporting, a fairly toned six packs, and he go might do a few more tile taekwondo shows that kind of go. I thought that was fairly funny. Fief guest ductile by my fighter for trying to Jack phone not in this place. Another thing. Oh, male heck socket did this on a pack of seeing this from name. All right. So name changes Harrigan, and he's got fake dreads, which no one's really talking about. Name got fake dreads, which looks fucking insane. Because he didn't know fate because he didn't have before long longtime to grow as you can see my hair when I look at up is still can be that long. And also the name got hair looks like Bob Marley, right name dreadlocks. Dread. Looks as someone going up on a full picture of it. Because it looks fucking interesting as fuck. It's not it's not like a taboo this fake dreadlocks being. So he's got a mohawk with like fake dreadlocks in the back of it. Right. Opinions. Kinsey can see so way to this. Not because I remember. Good little bits of most famous. One would have been fake dreadlocks got really long future length dreadlocks, right? But name just kind of like normally Isleta is Frank dreads fake dreadlocks. They're not real these are fake. He just got the Matache on just to kind of have a look you kind of a bit questionable with these ones a little bit smaller, and it can tell me the same haircut. His. But the one thing I do rate name for his always on point to talk about. One thing. Don't get me wrong. I'm not really a fan of it having faked. Dread was in bus-. But one thing I do pre law by name is his head. He takes a lot of chances on haircuts and something I've kind of think I wonder why men in general don't really like it. It's a bit taboo ish in some respects. This is tweet from Bleacher sports, and it's got low response in comments about for the most part. I don't know what it is about guys maybe sports until the football being like a working class game it being something Paul people played back in the day kind of riding from levels of poverty, and maybe the introductions of haircuts tattoos different colored boots is kind of fancy and dandyish kind of goes away from the kind of working class roots of football and fat that it's not it's not very it's not very inclusive of prima donnas. Even though we love fucking the Roly poly. We love the dramatic nature of Premadasa for the most part football football culture tends to stray away from prima donnas. Right. We let people just get on with their job, right and not much not many personalities and for the most part it kind of. The media kind of because. They twist and turn you say, but one thing that I do appreciate name for it takes chances. He's one of the best football players in the world, right? In terms of it. He's always he doesn't stray away from taking a diabled taking a role a role of two is very unapologetic abusiveness and the pitch is what it is. I'm gonna make sure the referee sees the taco by rolling on the floor. And it takes a lot of chance of a lot of Tronto from a low, brother. His name is an inspiration from it a head coach because he doesn't take chances one day. It'll be long one day be show one day. He'll cut it when they'll be curly and time you do that funk with a fun, that's Elvis. I realized that just visa World Cup. Lows of kind of mohawk. Looks fade always really nice. And now, he's got this weird ready dreadlock. I'm not really a fan of personally. But again taking chances you saw the black the black Beckham in that regard. And every really appreciate what he does with head. 'cause I think he does takes a lot chance to begin just think in general than wife your necessarily fans of. John's about guests dreadlocks this is just a bit too ridiculous. Imagine what the Deridder he must get in training. When you turn up whole happens. Do people intend you singing about it thing is every little thing gonna be right? It must be nad in. I dunno pervert interesting. Very interesting big find the necktie off in parking lot. Name was interesting character of ru very interesting one the red plays was all about the social media all about the the fancy ninety nature performed or the time when the patriot for the most part he never does not turn up in big game. So you wanna rare-breed full plays out his able to kind of balance both worlds, which is great to see name of freight dreads for some reason. And I don't know. I don't know why kind of like them in a kind of like them. I'm kinda minimum. I'm not sure it was next on him. Spain to be Japan in life expectancy that was fucking call to read even though so this is a report that came out recently turbofan learned about it from listen to Christopher Ryan's podcast. Check out. It's called tangently. Speaking one of my favorite put causes a guy that the book sex at dawn, which is a very interesting point where just in book, but those are interesting to kind of alternative sex life out there, but I'm Spain. This new report says Spain to Japan and wildlife, especially table, so that the average life expectancy Spain's going to finally beat Japan. And it's interesting because. Really interesting wasn't just read a bit of anyway, I don't force. So this is not a call from the guardian says here people in Spain predicted to hear the title of the article articles, people spend up to have the longest life expectancy in a world by twenty twenty by twenty four t be in Japan is the second place and much of the reason is to do it. The way is the way they eat, according to offer the most comprehensive study in the USA come the biggest for us to our health, and no judge will be abusively high blood pressure and blood sugar tobacco use and drinking alcohol. According to the institute of health metrics and evaluation Seattle spent really windows said Dr Christopher Murray or tobacco is an area where they could do better current lives. Partic- very good Spanish, you have expected to have an last of eighty five point five five point eight years, do particularly well in terms of diet, he said spending health ministry funded the study Spain Japan, which has for so many as enjoy the homeless and the planet is set to lose its crown of blah. coming to see here did finish. So they continue with the research for the first time a team of USA forecast amount of difference between better and worse. Worse outcomes as the government was so that was interesting comments. Go down the top ten scores of definitely UK will be a hot disease outside as lung cancer purposely infection. See COPD colon rectum cancer, stroke, breast cancer, blah, the US twenty f- Murray said disappointed the so I basically it was the point is they just. Did Mr. study. But interesting pob why it's interesting why Spain outlives why Spain has. Has spread seed Japan. Even though they smoke and drink a lot more than Japan. Is that the way way they do stuff? Right. So everything is communal. They eat really late lunch is really really big and light lunches usually with friends outside somewhere. Everyone is spend goes out to eat, even if you don't have that much money ever goes a little cafe summer to economically the food is found a cheap oversleep. It's a lot more natural organic than the stuff that we have is not no laws, many, chemicals and stuff involved in the video eating a lot more nutrient rich and neutral dents for the most part, again, a lot more bang for your buck, for instance, eating silos oppose eating solid here, blah, blah, blah, and just in general. So that kind of sets the negative where they smoke and drink a lot more. Because you if you if you're in Spain who knows people are puffing cigarettes continuous if people are drinking in house the day, you have people having cups of wine with their breakfast in the morning. Little glasses of beer was eating a beget or something in the afternoon. Drink and smoke a lot. But what they do is everything is communal. You know, they're hang around friends and family, obviously, keeps making sure live respecting the living in London New York where you might live in a building. We have one hundred thousand one hundred people living in the story. You might you might have only met free for them. Right. And your mercy spent your time spent alone talking to people, and that's part of the reason why we will stay alive longer. We are social creatures. We are social beings we need to have that personal connection to kind of feel live. So it's no surprise place like Spain where everyone is kind of on that kind of gust people lived longest for the most part suffered. That was a fairly interesting article dice all under guardian Japan to Spain to Japan and again once economy kind of gets back. Why needs to be in Spain? Everyone saw about those. I want to move back those places again difficult with Brexit happening in whatever may be. But I think of ROY tons of quality of life like this study places out there outside of the UK I've seen anyway, I'm bit late unto enough that I was about the more you travel, the more you realize some people are living have got it. Good, especially if you're if you're kind of low maintenance, and you kind of enjoy this nice things in life, and you kinda wanna live life way. You kind of have the ability to take your dugouts park that hasn't duffle seventy five minutes to get to for the most part of those are nice benches to sit outside and read a book and just hang out. Spain is the place to be for sure. I in my opinion was next on the list here, blah, blah, blah, have here again, Kevin Hart over hosting Oscars. Okay. This was a very interesting topic of Slee, we know the whole bekker's happened. So Kevin was announced to renounce the host of the thing that a few weeks ago right may before the new year, and then obviously has the usual with the whole. Mob mentality exists on the incident as soon as they go announced that he was hosting people dug up all tweets his way, he was doing fairly homophobic jokes. And of course, I dug up again, but those same people didn't dig up his apology that he did during the time they happened. And of course, the tweets came out public outrage in sued and in Kevin Hart decided to step down from us because Giannis him. He didn't apologize in end up backing up something it was kind of long. Loan desire dream, and it just seemed a little bit unfair and the situation a little bit chaotic, and it kinda seemed like we were kind of reaching that point. Now, where people were signed on the stand that maybe this movement that we have in this social Justice or this public shaming. We have in a moment is kind of southern ends, and the means compete people on allowed to of just be forgiven things you'll say sorry want to story. One two three four five six seven times. How many sorry before you can finally be allowed to kind of carry on with your life to kind of revisit things in the past. And of course, there's other things added to story that kind of explains his intimidate DeGeneres. I've really kind of resonate if make us forget about push after the book, I'm saving public. Shame by mocked by John runs. I recommend you check out his interview. He kind of explains a few things happened to him during the kind of fallout with with the Oscars under an element. I four interest not gonna finally gap here. Where is it video, right? Appear kind of load load basically mentions that what he didn't. Appreciate was the militias nature of it. Right. Was the fact that someone dug up these tweets not to get him out the us 'cause but to end his entire career. And that's where it kind of feels like it doesn't feel like people are kind of quoting you to task and cooling you out on your Bs or calling you out on maybe being ignorant at that time. If feels like they want to end your career, right? That's that's the problem. I have with the public shaming. I think thousand argument, I don't think some Harris articulate. It doesn't I'm I'm known to have some higher suit particular anything. But some hires had a lady on recently, I forgot her name. But she was really really good for one of my favorites. Actually, kind of spoke up in defense of kind of social Justice warriors, and that kind of whole section of society and she made some fairly good points. I for the most part, I kind of I kind of had sympathy for the stuff that she was talking about. But why full kind of lost in? It was the fact that somebody's public shaming. The happens is seems like they're doing to stop you completely. They don't want to learn the lesson if he doesn't load the loading profoundly. Did I want you to learn the less to grow? They want your career to completely ended. You deserve the platform that you have which is I think is a bit. That's why I think is a bit self serving and doesn't win respect. Right. Because then it seems as if like we are not allowed to make mistakes. I'm not allowed to say something ignorantly back in the day, which I don't have any kind of context w have any idea how it hurts a particular group of people. And then once I finally get indication with someone. My group sits down and tells me called me on my bullshit. I shouldn't Virginia gets even wanna do again. I think that's why people should be allowed to be hung by rote. There's a saying you should get them enough revenue hanged himself, get forgive somebody. If they do again, then you're out, right? It's like, okay. I've told you now that this one that you said f words inscribed somebody, that's that's sexual every may be you might think it's funny. But somebody from that community say, hey, when I grew up that was very derogatory is used to tease me make me feel lesser, Dan. So they tell you to let you know, how some people and it's up to you what you do next. You're gonna use it again and fuck up soon again, or are you going to decide you know, what all the words? I can't take those. If it means I'm gonna make I'm gonna make you feel better. If it means, I'm look, I'm a little less stress. No problem. But I kind of what Kevin how spoke about I kind of agree that it kind of felt diminishes right? So I kinda get the video. I hosted the obstacle went to dinner, and we talked about you hosting the Oscar me that it was a dream of yours. You've always wanted to host the Oscars. I said you should host the Oscars. Then you get asked to must've been amazing when they asked you to host this year a room. You know, there's there's a lot of goals that I have on my board vision board vision board, so many things that I wanna do like checkoff as they get done and Oscars was up there. Oscars was one of the highest of high simply because there's a lot of African American comedians have been able to do it. I would have been the forest so to get the moment celebrate the moment. Oh my God. I can't believe it's happening. And then the next morning after a day fall of congratulations and celebrations on hit with an onslaught on social media of my pass comeback up. Get literally the next morning, not even a full twenty four hours to glow and the glory of Kevin Hart is hosts initials asks and when it happened. You know, my my first my first thought is I'm going to know it. I'm gonna nor because ten years old. The stuff out of dressed. I've talked about this. This isn't new dressed it. Apologize for it. I'm not going to pay it any mind can we feed in this of your only Ed more fuel to the fire? Right. I'm not going to do. I'm leaving. Now the day goes by the fuel is now is growing this desire angry, it's all over the place. Now, the headlines are starting to change the headlines are Kevin Hart refuses to apologize a homophobe tweets from the pass the word again was left out. Anybody kicked those headlines started the weren't with it? So now MS MS probably the expert of public outrage. Right. It's not that is not able to kind of tell you down is that they consistently able to kind of make you bend at the knee as offense a little bit disconcerting. Because again, you know, you say you said the crazy thing back in the day. Your pleasure is it for the threat. Then you don't again because you don't the first time, right? Sometimes I remember, my parents when you say sorry too, often lose any show of into a power right loses meaning loses gravitas when your policies profusely about something that you've done before over mistake. You do get it again. Then how come how come? Take your how can how can you have any weight? How can you do you have any so way towards it? So maybe I'm that same so thinking, and but instead if you keep quiet, and you don't get 'cause you're pretty apologize. The the public outrage are able to kind of continue ramp up the pressure and change the narrative, and now make it seem like you refused to apologize because you have you have you have an unconscious bias against homophobic people. I mean, sexual LGBT to whoever may be in that regard. It's insane. It's the same and there's no winning. Because now it's like it's like they've given you a window to bend in the me if you don't better than mean that window to keep your job, then is better off. But then as a guy or as personal human being why should why should anyone have the right or should anyone have the afar detail you when you should apologize for something? Or this is like no, I should be able to look while done. Take on your take on your take on your suggestions. Take on whatever you have to say and make my own in from the growing adult, and if you don't. Checked why I have to say feB, but you shouldn't be the judge and joy to make sure that I don't get anything again in life. That's ridiculous. And let's continue the slander on my name is all homophobe now a little upset. I'm upset because I know why an auto home full bone in my body. I know that just it. I know that apologize. I know that with any my apologies. I've taken ten years to put my apology to work. I yet to go back to that version of immature comedian what's removed moved on grown, man culture, a manufactured on. I'm a guy that understands. Now, I look at life two different land. And because I live a different way. So now. I'm kind of upset because sin years are just being Noord the tracks. Nobody's saying guys. This is the ten years. No headlines are saying ten years ago. He apologized. Nobody's finding the policies. Nobody's finding the footage from where I had to dress and dress get hard promo with will Ferrell because of my job that I had about my son. I had to address those cheats in two thousand twelve and a very very heavy and junket where I was asked questions and ask questions about homophobia based on those tweets, and I had to address it in polish is say, I understand what those words how they hurt at understand. Why would be set which of choice tonight use minimum? I don't joke like that anymore wrong. That was which is looking for less, and they were stupid. So imagine your free time. Right. And that's the thing. People find the tweets they find the evidence that they want to tell you down your politics is. You put at the time it happened. But then people don't wanna find it just very bizarre way think about and then those were having hard to find someone and you complain the funded holiday who'd who wants to step into a fire line because it was like if you step up, and Sal when the host what else are they going to dig up to into evidence. But they asked me said is they're probably thinking if you're maybe not because of the internet archive is this run. So they can maybe get cachet of all the tweet read you put out there. But there is maybe it's just an must be it must be a service out there. A kind of hush hush consultancy service that kind of aims towards public figures that come through your social media. Find kind of which included find keywords trigger words. Right. That might be a little bit problematic at raise account. They must be exist. Now because it got a point now where Kevin Hart isn't a push push position. Because I guess he's big enough of a celebrity you just came back. I think when that news broke, I think he was towing Australia and New Zealand and selling out fucking arenas. Right. He's a way he can so of Inaki lies in a little bit. I guess personally from the outrage happens in the society and public tons of what he does in terms of sufficient pass, he can be voice some of the pitfalls people because you can you have a can of a successful standup Korean regard. But I guess the machine he's built around him. He's feeding other people in other arenas film production company who are gonna get her. If this kind of narrative continues he's supposed to be meant to be somewhat has problem against p. People that homosexual. So he he has to his employees to fight this. Good fight by position. He can fight it. Because you know, he's got. Money in the Bank, kind of kind of gravitational ten years to kind of Grace's to kind of have the benefit of the doubt. But if you're the average everyday person, you one of those big gigs gets pulled away from you. What happens then we happen to Richard those right? That's a completely different topic. But we still happen to her. She struggled wash documentary. She's struggling just to kind of just to get any kind of job the media. Whenever g applies for a role. You see video interviews every role and they find a quick Google because most places do that nowadays when you set it up occasion, Google your name in ship. They sued the articles and they don't want. Any don't want any trouble? I don't wanna hassle. So there's two ends to it by completing understand Kevin's cars. Kind of frustration to Geico says it just seems been dictated. It doesn't seem like they want to change one into nonetheless or teach our people it just seems that they want to end your career. And that's the thing that I'm not really a fan of I don't do that anymore. So to the position where? I was getting automated. I was even automate him. Kevin apologize or we're going to find my hose. When I was getting off tomato. This is now. Sam becoming like a Clough was once the brightest star in Brian late ever just got road dark. The Oscars is no longer about Kevin Hart stepping on stage and taking a intense night where people are so tight and making it loosen fun. That's my reason for doing it. I'm going to bring fun to the Oscars. I'm gonna make the Oscars fund. Now, all of a sudden, it's a little darker because the conversations about meals and ask conversations about Kevin Hart's tweets ten years ago and homophobia, I don't wanna step on stage in make that night about me. And my pairs when you've got people that have worked hard to step on station firsthand receiving war. I'm now taking away malls moments because the night is is focused on something else. Now, that's how I see it. Because I saw that. I said I would much the step down and apologize again. Again. Once again, I'm sorry. These words heart, I'm sorry. But even my policy is accepted, or isn't it can move forward or can't. And that's the question for the public famous. What is what what what what what the Liniers moving forward wasn't acceptable amount time. Someone could be in the doghouse how many apologies enough? What needs to be? What actions you see because let's imagine less. Imagine. He was homophobic back. Then let's imagine that those tweets came from a mean place. Okay. Now, he learns that maybe it's good to have that kind of point of view has spectator troubles of wealthy meets me from different sort of Brayshaw ethnic wherever sexual orientation backgrounds, and he kind of gets a bit more awoke. Maybe a bit more woke right? He realizes maybe his places -ociety the platform that you house what kind of buzzwords core any changes. Now, what next is Inocencio enough. Do not believe him. Like what next does the issue happens now with this whole public shaming? They're going to be this is for the public. Shame as I think I kind of have civility for in some respect because too long people able to get away with saying wherever they wanted to say and hide behind their power or say it from a point of being up in the clouds and no concussive them, right? And the feds sometimes they'll different rules for everyday folk. And celebrities, I get that some respects I'm stunned sometimes that can be a source of annoyance, even I think you should just focus on your own life. Right. You have visited than worrying about what sort of retribution was happening to celebrity by get it, and I respect too big a pitcher. So in now division, where sometimes something, you know, you can't arrest him because he said, some homophobic jokes. So wherever you compliment prison for it. But if you can't do one thing you can be public embarrassing for something on you can't be let let him take stock reflects on. And we thinking that by being a bad thing to do right? The stuff that we do have people can maybe illustrated their discontent, Athens companies could nothing's happened this buttons and common sections. These are important in articulating how you feel about something. But then what happens next? Weapons next. Now, you've got weapons next to where's the road to redemption? Like any great story. That's why we watch some of the best movies, even the doctor return. Right. If I that he went into that whole has a dig himself out. Right. What happens then what's redemption store? We would like you to everyone likes to build up this Saddam Hussein to say nowadays he will have to build them up and Ted about down again. But why people are too tight about down because they want to see this tension. They wanna see if you're real. And if you're send again for the second time, then they then they're your fans for life so weapons that narrative whereas narrative now, don't you wanna see them turn around turn around. You won't see them send again to lofty heights. You want sorta before? That's amazing. Right. That's that's what you want. I guess it's the fact that the enemy, but he mentioned something in a second clip. I'm gonna quickly play. You just said I have to say this news career. I think she Boesky fine for him because I would have been more here. Come on going to get to see where we're going to get to see onstage with the Oscars don't pay it. What I can say is this. I can say that. There's a visit flipside. Okay. The flip side is to to any attack. You know, there's there's there's another side. There's an visit b side always inside is beside all my side openly openly. I say I'm wrong for my passwords. I say excited. I understand. I know that my kids know when they're they're messes up. I'm an front of it because I want to be in Zambia. So they know what to do in this case Tut from me because it was an attack. This wasn't an accident. This wasn't a coincidence. It wasn't a coincidence that the day actor received the job there. Somehow manifested from two thousand eight now, I don't know finals meal doesn't I'm on social every day. I got over forty thousand. To go through forty thousand tweets back to two thousand eight. That's an attack is actually. And that's and that's where that's where I don't have. That's why sympathy for celebrities. Never got. I did do did see as PDF. I would say, but let me let me at least retain redeem myself, right? Don't just keep bringing up old things again. And again and absolute loses. The absolute loses dust coming. First is tweets defined disparaging comments kind of Ted him down. Like, how sad is your life and the person that did it, right? He's right here. Don't tweets and since December found that regional got a tweet it, right? And where is he he's he's here. He's name is doesn't matter. What his name is. Ben, Ben Frazier. And he originally tweeted a peevishly these tweets again, I think he writes for the guardian US right off the episode of fifth December four p p p made is this the these he pulled back out again and Cincinnati tweet again. So that's the thing that hey is a personal civility. You want the celebrities for the actions. But then you don't take any ability for what you've caused Eva, you drop kind of the khanate. And run out of room never to be seen ever again. Like it brought the entire house and let Kevin kind of career on the T. Because again, it is. We said would how. The morality's Hollywood's morality is always a bit skewed. Anyway, right there any as good as last event or tweet wherever everyone, right? That's that's a problem. So if the public if the public solve like outcry is no Kevin house favor. His career is over like, that's how that's his passion for per because in an industry where you have to seek approval from everyone to kind of watch your movies, come to shows, if the public decide that they believe this guy tweets and his narrative, you are done you're done completely. So it's kind of like a weird firefighter industry would follow suit. There will stand up for you. They will say no, we know came as a good guy. We're gonna stand by key funding his movies. We're gonna keep giving them. No, they're they're gonna Cape the public pressure, and they're going to completely Cape and get you out there, and they never gonna be to secede again. So this guy re tweets or shares comment that Kevin Hart did originally that went for it. Right. So in the fifth of December. And this is I wonder when Kevin is going to start deleting all tweets bench relief three in about stuff. And any ROY? And then and I wrote about why Kevin before isn't welcome. This is so continue wrote about the stuff and look drops a bomb and then since then nothing's ever tweet again since the last time tweet tweet always come back again. It came true is comeback. He's back again after after December of the semi complete disappeared. And now he's back again, say nothing. What a donkey what donkey that's that's a per my absolute lose around their fishing around people's mistakes and hoping that they fail. But again, I just don't think that because we're gonna make you successful. You're not going to be any better for it. Fair enough. You told her you told him down you stops his progress you've denied him the chance to host because if he doesn't go around the hostile to begin what for you was it done for you. Or are you are you going to be interesting to the new segment on TV with a by line says, oh, Ben Frazier lead Benjamin lead the person responsible for making sure Kim how did husker's known? Remember you in a couple of weeks or in a month? I because I had this to my notes for a long time. No, no, no. Who the fuck? You are fucking insane. Absolutely insane. But yeah, hopefully with changes in the new year, we see a shift, but I'm seeing faith. This would happen. The beginning of last year. Kevin Haldeman done a free nowadays. People are more forgiving understand that this whole public averaging a goal. Lobi OT is a little bit crazy. And we're now seeing that we need to come down to become used to be. Become need to get to a level of civility. And kind of you know, understand that people can make mistakes and grocery bench allow them to make a mistake. Apologize make amends and get an opportunity to show that they're going to make it again. But you know, chess Dianne somebody making ten seventeen times isn't a way for it to go in my opinion, personally. But again, what do I? Anyway, that's an hour and maybe a bit. I've got now. This Jackson was English episode number one four one. Thanks for one things. 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"They should exactly ally find out what's going on the mls get lost laws. Maybe this podcast is influenced me as well. Everybody up here. Every single day goes into the amish tori trying to some great stuff to you guys From new new york in kansas city. You are listening to extra time driven by continental from my basement. I'm andrew with my partners and soccer. David goss mattdoyle we start with the producing unders reminder of the day. Did you guys know. You probably haven't heard wouldn't have seen it on twitter. Definitely no one in the no. That was on a media. Conference call with fisher. Garber would've told you this they would have kept it to themselves. Hoarded this information that the season now starts april seventeenth. Did you know so the only thing. I was more offended by than every single person that i follow on twitter. Tweeting this out. Was you thinking you were better than everyone by being the one person who was like. I'm going to do snarky joke about this. Did you know this. Season starring in the seventeenth and jonathan tannen wall nailed you for. Do you got rinsed by ten walled. We go tan well. Jonathan jonathan know. I love you. You know. I respect you. You know that. I think your work on the national soccer hall of fame player. Voting and screening committees is top notch. You did not rinse me in any way come. We're just making jokes out here. Everybody can tweet it again. It man i get it look by. The transfer window is open as well. But again april seventeenth in your counter. That is when the season starts and preseason will kick off in a couple of weeks now and we'll be rolling we'll be headed toward games that's ultimately what we all want coming up on this show extra time driven by continental the joint no comments on the on the intro. By the way now that was a little it was actually actually like that sneaky. Little d- around. I was thinking about on the drive. Drop my kids off this morning. I was like technically a majority of us are in new york So i can. I can do it for you guys. So derek alison tweeted. Us and i thought it was pretty good. He said you could do from kansas city to new york new york because your partners and soccer here and you're there My instinct is the reverse that because it sounds better From new york. New york to kansas city. Kansas city everywhere around the world listeners all across the globe. Yeah i have an idea. Can i just throw this out there and you just prompted. I've been thinking about this that we should have. I always liked those like maps that you put up in your house or you had like the restaurant that you go to wherever you know. You're on vacation on a road trip of your family you walk into some restaurant. They've got the map with the the thumbnails in it I've always like. Could we do that for extra time. Could we see like because we have people hit us up okay. I'm in. I'm in vietnam. Or hey i live in You know our fan base in hungry fan base might not be the right word. The people that listen to us and tolerate us twice a week. I think in hungary or main hungry i think those an english effect the christian the fact i just went in. I wanna know where the fact. Yeah i wanted to. Our clusters are so we'll have to think about. Maybe there's like an online solution for all of that. Get you guys a little more hype for the first game of mls april seventeenth that day also is international ford mustang day international haiku poetry day and for doyle. It's also international mullebeck just for door. I'm a huge mall back You are more and more of a red blend guy. Some boxed wine really is where we would talk to any strong tannin's on right now that is actually All right let's get to have a big show a big show New dp and austin lucho cincy red bulls signed fourteen year old who they really really liked the cc. L. draw is. I don't know how that got fourth billing and there is a new. Us open cup. Format of the athletic is also gonna stop by to talk atlanta united and we have an mls storytime for you on this episode of the podcast. Signing he is a legend of this game is alleged of the last alleged in the national team. He did some incredible things in europe before people were doing that. At least americans were doing that so we will chat with him and just a little bit. I personally i'm here because i did the whole You know minnesota united sort of origin culture birth story before they even kicked the ball in the last to talk to him about the old days with buzz lago since amos magee and manny and that whole scene in the twin cities that produce these really incredible players and a strange time and sustained professional soccer when all the odds were against them. I want to talk to him about that as well. So we'll get to that. Let's start here though With some things to read you've got your. Us national team depth chart up. Doyle will get to that in a little bit on the show and kind of dig through where you think. The competition battles are on amazon dot com. Go check that out charlie bowman. I had a great explainer on the brenner. Signing fc cincinnati and what it changes and what it might mean for the future of that market the call up our sister. Podcast had alexi lalas on their most recent show. So go check that out as well. And i've got my reactions that cc l. Draw coming on the site but fc. Cincinnati praise be. They continue to produce extra time for us that they're trying to son lucho costa according to the athletic and i guess pity martinez and brenner is done. This is just sort of a feeding frenzy of names. We weren't as familiar with a brenner. Is a big name. An upcoming name names. We know intimately. Lucia cost the dave to fc. Cincinnati or dc united. They say they're interested to reportedly. What do you think does it. Peak your interest or you like. That's a little bit too much recycling for me. I understand the idea for fc. Cincinnati of trying to get something you believe is a known quantity at least or someone that doesn't have to fully settle into the league when you bring in a twenty one year old center forward for a lot of money who you want to hit immediately after seeing what happened to low khadijeh last year and kubo last year. So you look at a costa and you look at pt and you say they already know the the schedule they know the travel and all those things but i wonder about the production like with lucho. Obviously lucho ruin your whole fan base. We forever it will live. It will clearly jared nine camps even a fan of it it also had a lot of valleys and so i look at lucho and there's a lot of what i like that he can do like. He's quick low to the ground clean on the ball aggressive. I think in combination play around the box but doesn't control the pace of play. And so i wonder what his value is in how he fits in for fc cincinnati. They need a tank. If it's lucho costa nothing then i'd rather get lucho goes and the rumors coming out of mexico are that i think it's out less. They really are not even looking for a transfer fee because they're just trying to get him off their books so again it's cincinnati kind of trying to find the margin to work in and find the space It's interesting if he went to dc. I want one of you to talk about. Because i don't know how i grabbed my mind around this. It's losada now it's not olsen. They have in floors. They have your meal aside. Do you think he fits their like. How do you see that second forward is that not. Flora's israel yeah. I guess he's like ten ish behind flora's and that's just sort of like saying. Hey we're just going to stack up as much talent as we can. And i'm looking at the depth chart right now. I don't know. I mean those are the only two places you could plan. There's nowhere else to the complaint. So those two whereas with floors you can play amount of wing of course lozada tents not tease wingers. He tends towards the three five two with a ten. Underneath to ford's. I mean just to put the numbers to it. Lucia's played a little over two thousand minutes in liga. Mx he has three goals and one assist Outlays are really bad team. And it's not a great great platform for any attacking player to show what they're worth but there are there. You're supposed to if you're that guy. If you're the ten you're supposed to elevate really bad team. And certainly that's what his job would be if he was coming to. Cincinnati or dc united in this role for for six months for the back half of two thousand eighteen. And really for the back. Half of two thousand sixteen. He was brilliant. He was just absolutely incredible to watch but for most of his career he he was not a super effective soccer player. And and that's been the case in in league. Mx as well. And so i think about his peak with rooney and rooney's ability and kind of instincts enamels to drop deepen sort of create himself. Yup and brenner as a fox in the box get him chances. He will score. But it's not that same setup and so it could be good for lucho. 'cause you ha- if kudos able to find his form if bari all is something whatever it is it's it's a different setup than dc. So i don't want to put all of that in but if the keys are lucho rooney works now. Lucho and brenner will work. It doesn't seem like for like and that's the part. That's a bit awkward. You feel you feel for lucho in this conversation as we talk about it because that that lucero era era was really. I mean it was inspirational. It was so inspirational that he was about to go to. Ps yeah like. I feel for lucho like this. This sort of back and forth for him if he's looking back at this and his career he's like. Oh my god i was. I was on the break man. I was on the brink and then to end up at look. Nothing against atlas. But they haven't you know that wasn't going to be anywhere close to the same platform for him and now to come back in this way. I mean it's just. I hope it works if cincinnati does it. I hope it works. If dc does it i hope it works. That's generally my viewpoint on almost every transplant league. Knowing that there's going to be a number of times it absolutely doesn't work. I want it to work. Because i want the entertainment value. I want to work. Because i want. Every one of these teams to play at the highest possible level. They can to push each other But lucho doesn't necessarily seem it doesn't seem like an inspiring signing necessarily for cincinnati. It feels like kind of what they said. Which is we're looking at the market. We're finding inefficiencies and we want to take advantage of those because of the way it's working right now with covid and because of the window closing in europe and if that's the case and it works applause to you. They've got an uphill battle with brenner too. Because the amount of money that they paid for him the experience he has. I was thinking about this last night. If i'm a young brazilian guy living in sao paulo. I've i've spent a lot of time around that training facility. It's incredible not saying fc. Cincinnati doesn't have the facilities. Sao paulo is not the same as cincinnati. And you're dropping a guy in there onto wooden spoons and putting a ton of pressure on him. There's not really time to be like yo brenner. Chill like you've got a year we've got other guys to handle that load like you. Just kinda pick it up and where you can and get comfortable in by time next year hits. You're the man he's gotta be the man right now. I i do going to be really bad. That's hard it's just. I don't think. I don't think that's unquestionable. Brazil is the best league in the americas and he poured in goals in that league. It's a physical league. That's one of the things people struggle with an mls. I don't actually giampaolo last year. Brazil is not a common pathway that we've seen and so it is unique and i don't think it's unfair to say that he can be a star in year. One he can he can. I'm not saying he's not able to do. I think the other thing is and it's really hard to see right now because we don't know a lot of this is he may not be a dp if this young player will comes in and he fits under number lou joel coast. If he comes down a transfer free he might not be and low khadi might become so there may be more talent around this. It may not just be. Everything's on lucho brennan's shoulders and that's how it works. That's a good point. We'll have to see what shakes out with. Fc cincinnati electoral costa deal like him cincinnati fans. Do you want him dc saying wait. Wait wait wait wait. He's coming back to us. Let us know four one. Two zero six zero s Dot com reports rumors. somewhere between. Cristian pavon reportedly rumored to rejoin the galaxy. That's great news. what was it. They said fifty percent the of his rights. Were gonna change hands here in this transaction. Yet it's unclear at this point but that is the initial report in. This has been kind of on on the front burner but also weirdly under the radar since the end of the season. So i think before we start throwing out numbers. Let's let's see Let's see if some of the more reliable let's. Now they're you look at your. Just keep us responsible. that's right. I don't trust anything until tom. Bugger tweets that is. I knew alyce at tom. Bogert on twitter dot com zone. We can say the purpose. Gershon proponent of the galaxy is for him to play for the galaxy. Is this enter move. Yeah he's not a buy and then sell unless he absolutely blows up. And you're getting like miguel l. own type deal. I mean pavonis that type of talent so it could happen. But i like if this happens if they get pavonis back. It's like you. you already know. He's one of the best players in the league. And like you have a dp that you do not have to worry about for like eight years given his aides in productivity like just sign him get him in that is a foundational piece that few other teams in analyst can match. I felt like this was just a waiting game for the galaxy. I mean the way that everything had happened with boca. Just kind of felt like this was inevitable. This is where pavonis said he wanted to be. And that you're just sort of waiting waiting waiting until it happens. And it's which is he's hoping lonzo footsteps and launch his career from the less platforms really leave syrian scoring when he's forty eight in terms of players developed in like almost exclusively in mls like l davies number one slot on ebrahim which probably numbers were to be fair. His knee was new. That we hadn't done anything in europe american made just just science was science. That was homegrown. That was new tissue driven by continental. Yes sir yes sir austen. Fc still doing work. claudia arena says. They're looking to fill the third ep spa in the summer but they filled the second one today. Officially they had the press conference everything. Thomas pochettino is a dp. He was like an eight slash. Maybe ten but more of more of like a box. Bocskai tyrez is where he came from their reporting. The club is reporting that it was two and a half million which seems like to me. That seems like a pretty darn good deal. There were a lot of reports about river in boca and perhaps europe being in for him. He's a twenty five year olds central midfielder. As i said how does he fit into the roster. What do you think i. I liked the roster. I like what they're doing and this makes sense to me. What do you think it makes sense to me regarding the fee. And i'm sure we'll talk about this sort of thing with felipe a little bit. A lot of south american teams are struggling. So it's it's like it's a happy hunting ground for a molest teams right now in austin have clearly done some good work down there already in justina. Hopefully we'll be the the latest edition I haven't seen a lot of them soon as the deal crossed the finish line i got. Dm's from a couple of the A couple of my friends who are in analytics and one was like. Gee i don't know it's like he's a good player but he. He was playing next to literally the best ball winner in argentina. So he didn't have a lot of work to do and another one was destroyed up. Austin got a good one. They're going to be a good team so it like it seems to be in the spring of people whose opinions i really respect seems to be in the spectrum of this is going to be a pretty good signing in terms of its no brainer. I'm guessing the josh wolff wants to play similar style to what we're seeing from gregg berhalter with the national team because they they worked shoulder to shoulder for more than half a decade and the way the us national team play is with a six and then to free eight in front of them and poke tinos probably appropriate right. He's he's not quite a ten is not quite a do. Everything number eight But he's you know from from what i've seen the clip life seen and from the reports have gotten. He's really smart about picking up those spaces in between the lines and releasing wingers or calming off the center forward. Danny pereira who took i in the draft. Also a similar type of player so to me feels like they identified their central midfield with alex ring as the six playing deeper in kind of organizing things. I like it a lot. But i mean there's still work to be done. They have to get some depth behind ring and then they have to figure out what the story is with centre forward I feel bad for danny using because a crush him on the show basically every time but he doesn't have the career numbers of someone who can lead the line for a good team in us. This is a little bit like what nashville are. Did a lot of ways some not like in the overall roster world. I'm not saying that. I'm saying in the wait and see at centre forward and just kind of they've got danny got schoenfeld who they signed Off the united. John gallagher. Who had some really nice moments for atlanta. And they're like okay. We have dominguez and rightous and put your tina in prayer and will find a to get enough out of those guys for the first half of the season to figure out what it is we actually want and need and let the market sorta come to bear. Yeah i think absolutely. And i think with this patino signing you still have flexibility potentially to make it a true ten. If that's the guy you find and you think can be a difference and slide him deeper and playing alongside ring and kind of get what you cannot have center forward or you can get a legit number nine and play as doyle said those dual eights and he fits in that well. I think one of the things. I've seen from what i've seen from. An heard is as well as doyle mentioned the ability to engage the wingers and that's where they're attack comes from cecilia dominquez. Is there true. Dp that they have so far res- as well is supposed to be a star that they're excited about stroud. Jared stroud as well jenner. Sounds probably gonna be the true ten they fall on. We'll get there later so he can kind of fit with what those players do. And the other thing i saw was making good late runs to be an option as a goal or and so if the job for dan houston is the marco iranian job for l. Afc for the first three months of the season you can get some goalscoring out of that midfield spot via ham and the numbers. You're talking about our numbers. You could buy down eventually do so. You're looking at even more flexibility if you wanna spend big going forward or not because you've kind of put together a solid unit across the board so it makes a ton of sense with everything austin's and as well as joel mentioned like the work that can be done in south america where you can find spots and where you can find opening so it seems to kind of fit into everything about their builds clearly in terms of in terms of vibes. We you were right with that nashville comparison. It's like the they are more under the radar than what miami were or l. afc or atlanta. But if you if you really look at this it makes sense like they clearly are going for an identity thought a lot about how to address debt than how to address starting eleven and where to use their assets. I do like the way this is coming together. I had nashville later in the show. But i think. I'm gonna move him up right now right before fully bay. We'll talk to sleep in just a second. Get the poetry scouting report for him as well they signed. Cj sapong so now. That striker depth chart is like it's cut dis. It's roasted sabang. it's balji it's done. I mean they're getting very deep in that sense and they went got which i don't think we talked about a ton to plan the right wing all of a sudden nashville looking pretty darn deep. I don't know that i look at. Cj say bike roster changing a player there but he certainly has ten twelve thirteen gold potential. In the right situation. The right team could potentially play win for you if you wanted as well. But it's very much like that. Hold up guy and then a target. He makes a ton of sense as a signing. He also historically has played well when he first gets to a team and so this first year. That's what you're trying to get from him. I think they have on a two year deal so it's not like a lot of long term. I just don't. I think i've seen a lot of people not just. You use the term depth where i don't know that having players in a spot totally mean step because i don't think you want dodgy starting who i've guarantees still on a wall in an office and no one's banning so you'd think somebody who didn't tear the thing done the thing. I don't know i still have parents you on him. I'm not saying you know that these players can't be good but i just think. Cj makes a ton of sense for what they've done with mls experienced players. He has little more attacking quality than what they've had at spots He fits in perfectly and is available and so they don't have to break the bank to get him. It makes sense especially for a team that seems to have used all international spots right because they traded half away and then have seemed to fill the rest so they need to find domestic talent. Cj one of is that we say gee that's four and five like i don't think they're really expecting those guys that play the question is could you stick around or is that loan just gonna be alone and this is where sapong is great insurance that as well but if you look at the wings i mean like if you say sapong can play on the wing friends since you appear omb wheel sapong and then done ladies so denied his four. Their way all had while. Wanna shout the honors. This is where we need that live chat function so we can just go crazy right now. maybe a little bit less so there but still i think nashville taking the next step forward. So congratulations them. Cj upon onto a a new club in major league soccer. Let's flip it cardinals. He knows atlanta united front to back and we always enjoy having him on this show and word it is. He's improved his camera situation. So if you're watching this on youtube it's going to be a treat fleet by extra time in your house. I know he did it. I comb my hair. Which is i guess. It's not that rare i do. I do call my hair often. But i took extra care today that it would be on camera and yes. I did upgrade my computer over christmas. Oh i'm here. Failing that i have so many questions computer just for extra time. I know this is what we expect from us. Going forward by for our show. I didn't like my last appearance on each year. i really. i was not happy with me on camera. i'm i can't let that strive for the best. That's what we're saying. We weren't about tomas pochettino about atlanta the the market in south america. But i really do have to start you with this struck me. I don't think i've combed my hair with an actual comb. I wanna say since. I was a child. Just hasn't been a part of my wife. Do you go full comb. I'm more of a like mud in the hands. Use your hands to shape. I use a comb like an old school barbeque on with my hair is wet like it's like that knocks it out and then you go. Product product does the business. That's that's where i saw you get the look bag full coma. Looks like an old school nineteen forties blackcomb. Pull me out of this events. You put in your back pocket when you walk around day to day i should. That's not quite the old school way. But i appreciate all right. Let's we were talking about Almost pochettino before we jump on here. It occurs to me that you may have a better feel for him as a player and what this signing means both mls as well as argentina than we do. Walk us through your perspective on tomas. Patino austin fc. Well i can go back to the the expansion draft. I remember mattdoyle saying that. Austin knew they were doing well the draft like you could kinda see the rosser come to shape but they had one hole which was like a number ten like a nice dynamic possession based technical number ten and they got that thomas pacino. Now he's not this. Not i don't think he's a classic number ten but he can play there. He does like to get forward. He does have as they say. In south america he has goal. he hasn't he can score. he can get up front And i think the perspective from argentina's that mls and a new team like austin is getting one of the top players in the league. This is not a comparison to miguel maroon. But that's that was sentiment. When miguel marrone left it was like he is one of the top players in the league. He was not planning to be club. He was at la news which was playing at us which is now dislike. They're they're a historic club at their now in. You know at the same level as river-plate in boca juniors or velez rousing But he has especially in the copa argentina. that's where he really stood out. He was probably the top player in that local tournament of before the new year. In clearly austin Likes what they're getting from him. He's a player that can get on the ball. He's really clean on the ball. Technically progressive And he's young and he's an he has mobility so. I think that those are the types of players that adding really do well in molested her coming over here from argentina Good on the ball can play multiple positions in midfield. If you wanna be on strike or you can do that up if you want him finding pockets going out to the wing just getting the ball. Katina's that guys will so. I think we wanted to talk to you. In general about south america argentina the markets the players that are available. We've seen a decent amount of movement between mls and you see it every year but some of these leagues haven't played any year. Some teams have only played in continental competition. Some teams haven't played at all. What do you make of the players that are available in the way. The relationship is currently between. Mls clubs and argentine clubs or general south america. Well i think there's as he has always been a relationship with south american. Mls going back to the inaugural season in ninety six. Something was changing. Now is the players that are coming are getting younger. I think this the the young money fund is going to advance that type of scouting is well And certain teams. I think we'll start to open up in in different markets says it's not gonna be just focussed argentina. Uruguay for instance with chicago. Fire did with with john. John from columbia nineteen eighteen nineteen year old. You might even seven seven. Can't even sinus. Who is seventeen years old. But and these are unproven players. Which i think is is really interesting. They're they're they're unproven at the professional level but they've already been identified as prospects as players that when they they can play right away. Once to andrew's point they can sign a professional contract. Down from chicago is a big kid. i think what's interesting about him as a he was a winger like a six foot at one point until hamas rodriguez's his dad and his youth coach gallo. Where like this guy. He needs to play striker and so. I think you're going to continue to see that. Like moi's sky sailor who atlanta from what. I've been told they were really close. It was close to get moist Who ended up at brighton. And that's a nineteen year old. Who was already a starter at the national t mobile senior national team level. There aren't a lot like that. You know but i think that is the trend going younger It's it's even in atlanta's case that think they. The transfer fees are a little bit lower than what you expect in. What you've seen from atlanta from pizza martinez embargo in other not playing pain. The record fees anymore. You're getting these prospects that can step in play you're They are bit of project. But it's all part of this growing trend. And i think in south america from when when. I talked to scouts when i talked to. You mean like youth coaches for the story under durant salmon. I did. They see me as a promising leave for development like they are clear this is a development league is a league were. We can send players. We know they're going to get the coaching that organizational structure. They understand. they'll be well paid in durant case. Coach told me straight up like he's going to help his family with this paycheck. He understands that but he wants to play in europe and His us coach compared. Mls to the bundesliga Stature but the way the game goes the way. The game is played several strikers from columbia of that mold. Kind of a big striker play back. Tobacco lukaku Type striker do well in germany. And there are a lot of stars like that in columbia so New markets venezuela. That's another one where i think the younger players are starting to be noticed There's report now that the united is going to sign a nineteen year old venezuelan From what i'm told he will probably start with the united to but he's a dynamic left-footed winger at he's the type of player that if gabrielle hindsight likes what he sees in training likes would be season in. Us matches he gets shot so the markets opening up is not as far as transfers. Go south america still struggling big clubs like replace still are not at the point where You know they need to sell to boca. Juniors is a little bit more stable but Players coming over to mls. I think you're going to continue to see that. This might be younger so i'm curious though where do. Mls clubs fit in in terms of like. What's new is that. The mls clubs are replacing. Placing atlantico nasty. Now's the boulevards of smaller t players on smaller clubs in their country rather than going to that big club and then going to europe they come to mls and then go to your or is it. That mls is replacing the belgian league or the croatian league or ukraine that step like where do are those clubs reaching out tamila clubs at the other way around. How have you seen all that. I mean i think relationships have been strong religious of heaven. Bill between mls clubs club in south america again to use atlanta as as an example clue lenders. Now club where they have a strong relationship more sleep marino came after. Miguel marin corsino the history of that club with analyst with sam blonde gone n vieri So that's going to continue. I think to point david's like you know you still have your take a club like river-plate you athletic nasty now. These are enormous clubs in south america. That gets a coppola authorities in the expected to get to the semifinal round those clubs have very good academies very academies like they can when they need a player they go down to the academy. Bring him up and he's playing over the weekend Which is what. Mls want strives to be In so i think that's where. Mls concert to kind of nourish their their their academy systems or their ussl systems or just their rosters with these types of players. Where while you might have to wait to get a shot Form from you know at at rossing club you can. You can build your time but it nonetheless we can come here and you can play Implicit just just money's better. The money is going to be better for them. And so you look at hector david martinez the centre-back atlanta was on the brink of signing From defensive who's a left-footer the you know how rare a left-footed centreback is and atlanta. Was right there with him. Ready for him to come into a spot that they desperately need to fill And he gets a phone call from our silica gerardo and and that changes things and so hector martinez academy product from river plate. He knows what it means to play for that club but he knows that atlanta is an interesting Prospect gets a great deal. He knows that the league is going to propel him to to perhaps plan abroad in europe But it's still the draw of plan for these big clubs like you mentioned david. It's it's still there. That for me is like such an intriguing piece of the puzzle that molesting are still going to have to battle that particular age group of player for that for their home club. That might say well. Yes you can. Go to 'em las but we would love to have you here in. You're gonna play in copa sudamericana playing out as you're gonna play. Classy goes and for them. That's everything so Martinez an interesting one. And i wanted to get to that one because the rumors were that reports. Are you know we go back and forth on the terminology or that. The money from atlanta was like four times. The amount is it done. He is going to river. He said nope. This is where i need to be the emotional pull the competitive pole of as you said bocaue river and all these different things that he can play in that he knows. Well is that over for atlanta united. And what the heck's going on. Because now i see maybe misses out. Escobar is out like what is happening to this roster right now where are the flex points. And what do you think will get done. Yeah hector martinez. According to reports just multiple reports that that deals done he's back with river. marcelo spoke the other day. He was pretty adamant that. I spoke to the player. Like we expect that deal to get done in the next few hours In twenty four hours later in multiple outlets saying that that that was official. No club has announced it yet. So perhaps there's a chance but got the godfather though the godfather sound like you stand with us come come home and like i said. Recent on twitter like hanes has similar poll. It's just much different when you combine river-plate and ghajar together in atlanta united. We're gonna win a lot of these moving forward but in this particular case it was just a very special situation. Were you've got a top centreback. That river plate sees is like we need him. They're trying to refresh their rousers well. They're selling players. they want to shore up. The defense thing is good. has multiple options in defense in atlanta does not so From what i've been told just talking to sources atlanta which is very typical. They have a plan b. They probably have a plan. C with mesa reportedly moving on to san lorenzo which his boyhood club. You know. now you really need that spot. You need an aleph back. You know. They have not been able to to nail that down ever since it land-grant solid for left. So i'm sure they've already scouted in have plan being planned. I would expect a centreback signing to happen Just because it's a position of meat. And i think hindsight will attempt to shore up really the spine of the team. I think everyone expects atlanta. Just be this expansive team Seventy goals again And they still have certain positions that need. They need to do that. Think of left wing or right. Winger is still something that that they can look into The striker position for me is is a i. Don't want to stay unsettled. it just seems like it's. It's a work in progress. Joseph martinez was coming back from a serious knee injury They're gonna protect him. They're going to protect joseph. That's why lee. Sandra lopez comes in but again you're relying on a thirty seven. Thirty eight year old is going to be thirty march and then just a bunch of young players behind him. So that's why think midfield. The defense is really important for say and they have work to do. They have work to do. I think they have talent And but they need to fill those spots. Hector w martinez. I guess loss was a big one because that would have been huge. A left-footer is a good defender. He complained transition but most importantly very technical very clean on the ball plane out of the back. And that's what they've been missing for the last years when you look at heinz say 'cause there's been a lot of rumors there's been a fair amount of activity is it. Culture change moves with you know established guys like escobar and mazza who they just got in last year in the rumors around ramadi now and some other pieces that have moved is that is it a style change or is it just. The roster wasn't good enough. Last year. I went back this morning. Listen to hanes his introductory press conference and he was asked a lot of questions about new signings. In what do you think of the current roster and he again. I think he gave. He wasn't too political. I think he was very blunt. Saying like i see a team that they're they're kirk mystics. That a coach would want to have a team that plays with a lotta but changes and he didn't say signings but new players those discussions were made before he gave that press conference so and he basically made it known that like those moves are in the works. That's on the table so clearly. He saw roster that he needed to upgrade certain positions. He has a certain style of player that he's going to want to have. I think he's a coach. That will have a lot more influence on players. Coming in than what. Frank de boer had for instance. I think a lot more like what her taut martinez was like where he could identify player. He could call player a very Very stylistically put in a place. Where as soon as he's on the field he knows what this coach wants. And i think that that's that's the difference now with hanes that so he he has. I think he's going to have to manage the group and non -sarily play the way his velez teams replaced. When he left. I mean it took two years for velez to really get to a point where they had a style on. Then you had a certain players like fernando gago gusto jimenez. Who were these veteran players surrounded by younger guys that could do like really intellectual tactical work in the middle and let guys kind of fly around and be still positional based atlanta's not going to do that in april. In in my opinion. I think they have to get used to each other. Understand what the culture is david to your point And the one thing that he said in that press conferences before he talks about tactics philosophy. He has to form a group of players. So i think the you know the locker room the mentality. I know it's cliche but like this team is to understand what this coach expects and from there. If they believe in his tactics it leads to wins. New you're going to see this team grow can ask you. This is governor heintze as equal. Barco guy do you think he will be think so. I think so Just because it benefits both player and coach there at a point were No coach has been the coach in. Mls or in atlanta. That's gotten the most of ezekiel barca. So hanes has a chance to do that. And he's done that. He has a track record of taking younger players Putting them in position to succeed and then they grow. They grow in their sold on. I mean there's there's proof of that at velez even hours juniors when he took them to the first division there. There's a group of those players that are now in europe and they were somewhat unknown at the time they were coming up. No incentive soccer in argentina. Now some of our in some more on our are in italy in so. I think i think you'll like what he get. What hayes will likely hasn't ezekiel parco. He's the technical player. He's going to play hard He he understands tact. That's one thing that i've always said about bargo. And i talked to him. When i've interviewed him he understands tactics. And so he's giving given a role clear rowley. He's gonna get what hindsight wants he should. He should do better. He should do better. So yeah i think hanes has this opportunity that one coach to get the most out of birkenau so much has changed that i don't know his transfer value at this point. Fargo and what an what teams are willing to pay for a player of his age and his skill set I'm sure it's still. He still valuable asset for the club. Think he can still be a quote unquote big sale But yet this is the year. This is the year in this kind of strange year. We're going to step into once again. Where barco has to show up. Imagine just dream big with me for a second concacaf champions league united the five stripes qualification via what means doesn't matter there in march all the way to the final inmate name. That's a that's a platform for barca. That's a culture building moment. That's a squad is together sort of thing like what did you think when you saw the draw. Not an easy one right away. That was really tough. And i i loved kind of like the feedback from atlanta fans or somewhere like is it though and others were like. This is tough at a couple of guys were like. We're gonna win both legs. Six two aggregate score five one aggregate score and it's like while the disrespect to costa rican soccer. Which is very good. It's like these are these are historical teams. That do really well regionally all the time and says first place in in in costa rica right now. They have good players. They have brian res which everyone knows about him. He wears a captain's armband type of player is just like so important in these types of tournaments. 'cause he's he knows what it's like he took costa rica quarterfinal in twenty fourteen the world cup so atlanta doesn't have that type of player they are a young team they are young tinos one thing that hanes said in his press conference december and asked him what he sees like. I see a young team. And he's used to that ends alikes young teams. He likes guys. That are agile mobile. They'll run through walls or technical But that doesn't always translate to success in international terminal so yet tough but atlanta needs to play games. They need to. This is a team that needs to get used to each other quickly. So maybe this tournament will help them. You know it's going to break the ice really fast to put them into a situation where they're playing against the top team in costa rica. There's always the added advantage that they're not going to a a a hostile environment probably But still they're not they're not hosting in mercedes-benz at forty fifty thousand capacity either. So stay exactly. It's going to even crazier man. The again i i like the drawl. I like the draw. Just because i'm rich really intrigued to see how. How hanes approaches. Besetting you'll see as an important opportunity for for himself and for the staff of the players but then like a week later. They're planning mls so it's just going to be really really interesting to see how that happens. The dan. it's like history repeating itself. Deboer struggled like he comes in in january a month later. He was playing at herediano. Costa rica they lose three one was not the start that anyone wanted And i don't think that's the type of start the hanes is gonna want either but there is that possibility that it's kind of like the shock to the system right away playing against a very good team i remember The images watching that game and frank de boer on the sideline and costa rica. they're looking around each other like Yeah this is not. This is not what we wanted one word answer. Mls teams mls team. Wins in this edition or no now fair no reason to be brave there all right if we tell people how people can foment. Oh hit me up on twitter athlete by car. I am only instagram to now. I'm trying to hit the get that running. Athlete philippa cardinals. Scc cr and again subscribe to death. Logic were excited with this year's going to be like that a lot of stories in the works for united. There's too much to write you. Hang with me hang with me. Please hang with them. I follow. I just wanted to put out there on the graham and on twitter. So i'm there. I'm consuming that content. Fleet appreciate your time man sticker. Oh big thanks to sleep. A always got congratulate folks on being brave right after seal draw predictions not the the best idea but we now know the cop champions league round of sixteen path to the final all of the matchups wednesday night that went down you saw the ping pong balls or a one b one a two all that stuff Yeah what do you guys think due to run through it or should i just go look at it i mean i can't i can't list every matchup that's run through it right. Tablet is crucial versus. What the healthy. No sorry that one. It's a hasten. Close you go then The say in that group is also the winner of toronto versus four jesse. Which is a canadian. Championship races lay. Who were the league champions last year. Bottom left quadrant is monterey versus political. Toha the name it and they are and then columbus vs realist lee. Top right quadrant is philly saprissa and atlanta versus and and then the bottom right is global america versus olympia and portland versus cd marathon. Some familiar names in there for concacaf fan. I'm just gonna start passing the baton on these quasi host the moments the reading the guy who you come out of and goes great. Radio shouldn't have done that like we live right now. We're live so the big thing to take away just off. The jump is that there's just one. Mls team maybe two depending on toronto. They gotta get there. Of course gotta beat the forge on one side of the bracket and then just one league legal team on the other side of the bracket where philly atlanta and the portland timbers are. What is your first impression off this man. I think john. Arnold says it best when it's like for mls the losers who ever played the maxine. That wasn't seated so that would be if they get their toronto. Fc and then the winners. Whoever gets the caribbean which in this case you know league wins in the draw they win in the actual competition they always win crews zule got the haitian team and monterey got toha which is basically opportunities just to sharpen the knife for them so i still think columbus who as you mentioned her on the side that could end up seeing three mexican teams in a quarterfinal are still favorites foreign analyst side because you look at atlanta getting all say who are the best team in costa rica right now who have strengthened with dapitan yovany and brian ruis. They've got some of the best young players in costa rica. So i'll say was the one that you wanted to avoid z. Bringing atlanta team with the new coach potentially a whole new starting eleven. And maybe not joseph fully yet into that match. That's a little tough. And then you look at philly who just sold mackenzie and brenden aaronson going. Against surprise aside that is as experienced in this competition as you have and they again brought. Kendall austin in the rumors francisco calvo potentially other. Chicago's re upped him and marvin gula. So they are a tough beat as well and this isn't the best saprissa aside. We've seen another not going to beat themselves and so you've got philly team without two huge pieces from last year where you don't know where they stand right now when phillies the new kid in the room to you know they've never got into this. Yeah they got this point. They've never been before now. They're walking into a completely different beast and they're not a team. Not maybe that matters much. That has a ton of central american or caribbean or mexican talent. That's played in this region even And so i think it's pretty tough to look at those too even though they will match up potentially against each other in the quarter-finals to see them going through all of this and then portland if they had sebastian blanco and he going. It'd be one thing but without those two to see them. Try and make a run into a final. Feels a little tough against probably club. America in the quarter-final so i still look columbus. They've got the best first round. Draw these mls team in estate. I think monterey is beatable if you assume they beat up let it go on so hot and then you're in tough semi-final but the semi-final this yup that's the reality. You gotta be good teams. And so i still think for my money. They're the they're the mls favorites. You know probably well. If you're a nerd like we are. They had four different groups stage appearances in the last decade back. Half of the last decade sixteen games lot of mls matchups in their the kansas city. Twice in that they didn't win. Any of those games like sixteen games. They didn't win a single one so it will be shocking historic like gut punch. What the hell just happened upset. If they were to knock off the columbus crew. And i say all that just to set the table and and just knock on a little bit of wood here because this is the way. This competition goes doyle. Who do you think has the best shot to win. The looking at these draws like none of it none of it is great from in mls perspective because even columbus have real estate in the first round. They have monterey in the second row. And we know that monterey are the kings of this tournament They're currently second place in liga. Mx they haven't given a goal yet. This year they are perfectly content even under how era gear to sit back and absorb all the pressure that you can throw at them in the annihilate you on the attack. They're not as reliant on that as they have been in the past but they certainly don't mind doing it monterrey's just always the toughest that side of the of this group. You would hope that one of portland. Excuse me a philadelphia or atlanta could make a really good run because like you said like gasman In are there every single year and they have a ton of experience and they're not going to be daunted at all by the prospect of playing in this tournament but they're also talent deficit against both of these mls teams and at some point. If you're an analyst coach in your mos players have to make that really really count in this tournament. So i i would hope that of of the brackets like that is that is the place where you would would find. Probably the clearest path But either way we all know that the road to the final and that to the title itself goes through the best league. Mx teams that's monterey and that's you know that's leone anti club. America in its crew says it will end. There's no easy way to get there. Somebody's gonna get hot going to have to play really really well. I'm going to have to make it count. Here's the thing that's the same as it has always been in might change these. I these first round of sixteen games here this series. They're gonna be played before. Mos teams take the field in less. They're going to be played. Basically as max teams are building up to aghia an have been playing for basically months at that point so again i. it's it's difficult for molest. It's hard to see a clear path forward. If joseph is back i would look at atlanta. Because i think that this competition is maybe one that heintze would look at and say i. I like this. I think it's a really good opportunity for us. Let's show sort of who we are immediately. I'm used to environments teams like this. I've played in conditions that are similar if not in concacaf. Maybe i'm just being hopeful on. That side is while supreme. There is a little opening. They just fired their head coach. So that's something. I guess i don't think i al yeah. I don't think you just wouldn't have. Anybody are the best team. One hundred percent of mexico in the us one hundred percent petition and while they do have a talent deficit they bring. Brian burris off the bench. I know he's thirty five. But that's what you're talking about. And they're kinda put themselves in a category. I don't think we've seen in a while. Four costa rican team and so. I think that's why you're talking about atlanta. That will have never played a game under guy no having to get through that which i think is a step too far And i think that's where it's tough to see a group like that. Get through to start centreback in that game. Geno it's the players don't even aren't even on the roster yet. And so if joseph starts it'll be his first game in a year if he doesn't now you're starting just if martinez for team. Yeah but like. Joseph is a type of guy who's first game in the year he comes running a hat-trick very one name to look out for unions montenegro. Who had been rumored to atlanta atlanta. Who is the next great star. And there's a lot of excitement around him as a centre forward for oliva lanza one of the things you think about. When you see this is what that group stage will mean in the future it will mean essentially not like warm up games in any way but it will be additional opportunities for a team like philly or atlanta or whoever gets in here whoever it might be teams that have not played in this competition before. Teams are veterans in it to just get more sort of muscle memory against league max against the region and to plan these these instances where it's like you got a win win right now and work conditions not only preseason criminals in the fall. Those games will be september october. When you're at your peak so for teams. It won't be the first game of a new coach anthony. Johnson doesn't have to call it. Preseason or whatever. I was going to make a joke. I forgot and it won't be right. When the players flip over now will be going forward right into the knockouts. But as you said if you're a philadelphia union team mark mckenzie brennan. Manson would have been in the group stage. So you would move into the knockouts but the rest of the team finally having this experience going forward the only thing i want to just throw out there. Casella has been in this competition. I'm just saying he has won it. But that's the type of ten that you want. I'm pretty i in columbus now. All in it took me thirty seconds. And then you've been there you've been look understand it. I understand that these that side of the bracket is absolutely rugged and what you would be asking. Columbus in the sense is to essentially do a toronto. Yeah or to do an l. afc lsu because it's like from the europe you think this is worse on in their round of sixteen. Yeah that's what i'm yeah. They would be doing. The toronto see this year because you toronto gets gets way on t. Be clue america. And then they lost achieve us so it would be three mexican giants cheesecake. Yeah it's difficult. It's difficult let us know what you think. Let us made us still in the league. Just like taught me about that game And four one zero six zero s. Who has the best chance in concacaf champions league there is a new us open cup format and it is back which is amazing news Last year twenty twenty for the first time in its entire history which had been one hundred six years at that point. The open cup was not not able to be played. It was heartbreaking. it was awful. What's your intro dave. You do these games. All the time group chat through them and tell you great guard right games with the second oldest continuous tournament because fa cup. This older but hadn't been continuous. Had not run every year. Think the scottish cup was the oldest continuous and then you us open cup at one. Hundred and six years was number two. And that's my open. That's why you keep it going. So that i can keep my open now. You're going to find a new open new open new open. Nineteen thirteen fourteen was the first year in two twenty twenty was the first time they weren't able to do it in two thousand twenty one this new format. There's sort of. i'm not yet convinced. playing it. safe is maybe not the right way to put it. But they're making sure that it is a accomplishable thing in a very packed. Sure to be crazy year. Because that's the world that we live in twenty. Four teams will participate. That's down from one hundred and one you know in the past you had this huge sort of bracket and format. That was all coming to the point. Where mls teams and us championship teams would then enter. And then you would push on for the quarterfinals so finals and finals. This time it's five rounds instead of eight as well so it starts may fourth in the final is going to be at the end of june Eight mls teams eight uso championship teams tunisa to a league one and then you have four from the open division which brings in likely to and some other leagues as well an amateur sides additionally what do you think about about this format doyle you have any strong thoughts or is it hard. It's hard personally. It's hard for me to imagine right. Now yeah what i look like. I'm glad it's back in some form. I hope everybody is staying safe I think that whittling down in limiting travel in order to get it played Feels feels right to me. Even though i understand why why. Some fans fans of lower division sides Are a little upset by this but You know it's better than not having it at all. So that's my. That's my complete. Take the us open cup. The one thing about it. That is interesting which we've talked about a fair amount is you've ended up with us l. championships championship rounds and mls. For less rounds which. I think a frustrated a lot of people because you wanna see want boys molesting all that type of stuff So i think that this is not the purpose. The purpose is just to get a tournament. That's what's happening. But i think one of the side effects will be. You will get to see some of these interleague matchups nieces while a new league. That could be fun and cool and kind of start to the year right because as you said. The timeline is early with this tournament to happen. So it'll be something. I think. That all clubs. Us al an mls can focus on because you're not in the playoff race right at the end of the year where you don't know where to put your resources. I think this could be something that maybe adds a little bit more to the actual competition. You just wonder how teams qualify when there's only eight going in. How do you decide those eight. And what plays a role in that decision. I mean you're gonna have is leagues cup gonna play a role in that decision like if you're in league cup you're not doubling up in open cup because we know the schedule is going to be condensed and difficult with a lot of mid week stuff going on. How do they make that decision i. I'm not sure how they will. We shall see before we get to tiny sinai. Just real quick bento. Australia signed by the red bulls. he's fourteen years old. He is among the youngest signings in. Mls history the youngest there are four others Or three of. There's i should say that we're fourteen. Bento is the fourth youngest. Yeah go for a run down to don't look at the rhonda friday friday's one. Obviously fourteen years one hundred and sixty days to dc united to kill marshall rowdy nope no Who else is i've actually goalkeeper. Eric chicago a slow nina slow nina. He's three fourteen years two hundred ninety seven days. What year was the third signing actually. Don't know it's a quick signing though. I don't recognize this name right now. They signed a really young kid last year. I think is a general. Nope emmanuel ocho of fourteen years one hundred ninety one days bentiu astrology was signed one day before i turned fifteen joe. Scalia was the fifth on this list. We know where he's at. He's over in germany. So we'll see what what the signing is. They love him in the in the rebels parole reports. He's an eight. He's a kid that's Physically able to play at the level that they're going to ask him to play out and we'll see what you can doing yourself. Championship baby bulls balls. Maybe a. they've got on that all right. Let's get to twenty seven for some. Us national team storytime. We'll be right back. Mls storytime is back. It's at and t. Five g call to the field to the twin cities. Big cat twenty. What's up man. Glad to have you on the show. I'm excited to be here. Twin cities down excited to reach the rest of the country. So i went to saint paul minneapolis before minnesota united's first. Ima last season and my assignment was to get on the ground and find out about soccer culture in the twin cities. And when you do that inevitably. You're going back to the buzz largos coach teams to manny to you to amos to this minnesota thunder team. That really sorta changed the game minnesota and hung on. I wanna go back further with you though. I want you to take me back to the first team that you were on. How old were you where was it. What was your first experience with the game. Maybe it's organized. Maybe it's in a backyard somewhere. Maybe it's like a family event. I don't know you tell me. So when i was six years old my dad from the gumby west africa so when i was six. They're like you're gonna go visit your grandparents So i went to the gumby thirty days but back then you could you. Could you could take a plane ticket. cash money right like it was like cash and so they just kept cashing plane tickets. So i ended up staying in your. This is funny. I ended up staying two and a half years. Whoa that's no joke unexpectedly unexpectedly and it kind of freaked my mom because he was like she didn't wanna go there because she was like. I'm not gonna leave my other brother here and back then you will then have phones. I'm an old man right like there were no. You had to go to a call center like that or send telegrams so After being there for like a year and a half they decided to put me in school. Because they're like what you can't sit here forever but anyways we have a neighborhood team so it was like you could go on your block so the kids on my street reformed our team that we were the picton street team and then we all white t shirts and their own tida is. That was street. We go to the end of the boc. Challenge the kids from the next back over little street soccer. Oh my god that just this visual a lot better story. I explain how blowing my mind right now. This is your first experience. You had not play before. I left one week into kindergarten one week in the first grade. I over there. So six never saw soccer or We're talking nineteen seventy seven and Went to africa and you know started. You know i was in the house and they're like no you play soccer. We don't play soccer. I come from You can either sit in the house all day. Go play with the kids in the street and they play soccer so when i learn to drive pretty soon we see so you come back to minnesota. How do you find the game. Then at that time in the united states in minnesota. So i was at like. He's the parks and stuff and and you saw kids playing. But i really never played a team man but i had skills i was gonna go to a different school and you bring lyles back into it and my mom said well. You're behind your english because you didn't go to school for two years. You're sent me to summer school and i had a two hour block an hour block at summer school where i didn't have any classes scheduled so my mom signed me up for a soccer class was teaching a soccer class at summer. School i i said mom you don't go to class play soccer. She's like what you're not me and you're going to class so and mr lagos was like wow you ever play before and i'm like yeah with in africa is like you're pretty good. He goes. Would you ever want to plan a teat exit. Well let me ask. My mom went home and asked my mom and my aunt bought me some white baseball commerce. I was on the team. Tell me about. Hallway is back by the way i had like sixteen studs on. Kevlar that's perfect though. You have the skills. Tony you needed the white shoes. You needed the white boots so everybody knew when you walk on the field. You know it's like oh my god that's tony. He's got the white cleats. He's going to be better than us. What what was soccer like in that moment in the twin cities like i wouldn't imagine that it is the first choice. Let's say of most kids to play. It's not what forefront of their minds it's not like in their face media wise. Where was soccer in that era so like at the park and rec level it was really recreational so every local communities and we say the herd mentality where the kids just run around and that was it like in your park and then we would have like the club soccer. But you know there wasn't that many teams in the state like there was one saint. Paul team won half was team. Each suburb had their own team. So you know there's probably like sixteen teams in the state and you play against each other so really got to know each other pretty well It was kinda cool. 'cause a lot of the guys that we grew up being competitors against and as we got older we we. We made it to one team in the better. Kids play together But we used to be compete against each other. Now we're like we respect each other. We're friends and we have this network and we realized it wasn't the soccer but the relationships that the sport built That helped us get where we were in bras. Still giving back in some way but It definitely wasn't wasn't what it was today and You know there wasn't very many of us that was going to ask me that. We'll see in minnesota. What was it like for you in that sense of you know young black playing soccer and trying to make his way in a sport and in a society. That doesn't as you said not many people that looked like you in that scenario. Well you know the the good part is like you could always watch on tv right so so you know when you watch the rest of the world and you saw players you know You know that's when it was great. It was hard to find I had a good support system with my friends Obviously we had to go through a lot of different racial things here Calling people names. I mean i actually sued my state association. 'cause i complained to the referee because the guy was calling me before and he told me if i said anything he was going to kick me out of the game There were there were challenges. But i had a good support system And i think it helped. Make me who. I am today I had people that cared about me and I was good and so you know that was one way i could beat you. Maybe can i just ask. your role. model was at the time like you're talking about brazil. Can you bring it back to more. Was there someone in the. Us was there someone around you was. There's someone you look up to. I mean i'm looking at these milwaukee panthers squads and like jimmy banks preceded you in milwaukee like there was it jimmy. Was somebody else who was there. Anybody that you looking up to in an american sense well you know for the short time. When the minnesota strikers was here like thomson uc and was like the baller right in so now he was black. He was a forward he could score goals in he was abolished. So that's a local person that i would look up to I was a huge route whole at fan. Obviously he was big But could do it. All i was a huge maradonna fan because he was just good And he could do it all and you know. Failure was like the legend. I was a huge jordan fan because he acted up So you know those those who wanted to be like in Who i strengthen. And i looked at my journal the other day and i wrote a lot about those guys when you were playing coming up and you talked about your quality and what you could do Were you did. You have an idea of the type of player you wanted to be what position you want it to play how you want to affect the game where you pushed into things typecast. How was that experience. So first of all. Oh i forgot. John agana yup. He was like my my other favorite and so people don't know this about me. I was a forward by was small. I was beat. I wasn't a big two and a half inches because of malnutrition. When i was in africa i grew late I grew two and a half inches every year from fourteen to eighteen. So i went foot. I went from being in tenth grade. I was the slowest person on my team to eleventh grade. I was the fastest person in the state. And i went from being five. Eight and slow to five eleven enlightening six two. So you know. I was always a a forward Plan minnesota manny. Lagos was always our center midfielder. it's it's kind of weird how it changed. So the team was kind of built around him and But i was always a passer and people saw my skills my first high school coach. Actually i was five four. I weighed ninety eight pounds and in eighth grade. He put me on the varsity team. And i i was never anything but a forward and he put me at defensive midfield Just because i was good with the ball. And i think when you look at a guy like to ghana kante that's kind of what i did And that helped me develop. My passing skills might afield awareness. And then i went back to being a forward in In college than i ended up being like an attacking midfielder. So i could do more. But i was pretty bright so you know this is something that you know i would. I would go on a team in search it out so you know. I remember one year in in minnesota. I'm arguing with mr lagos. Because i'm rotating at forward with amos mckeon drier and i'm telling him that i need to play every minute of every game. And he's telling me we're all equal so we need to rotate And i said well you could always put me in the midfield. Because i wasn't all american midfielder in college and he was like well. I don't think our team can handle defensively of you and manny are both in the midfield. 'cause you're both so offensively oriented Two weeks later. I went to dc. United bruce arena's says i have this guy From bolivia that. I have to play the league. Let me cut him. Unless i start them. And your way better soccer than we thought you were so you mind. You've you've just played outside midfield for a game I gotta play in the league. Cut him though. I i did that. And i played against donadoni. Steve sampson's watching they're like that's our next midfielder defender for the national team because the way that he works on defense So we'll change of allot can happen And then after that. Every team i went on i just kind of said. Hey coach i would look at. We're the the weak link was. And i said you know coach. I could always play that position if you needed years later. I think i've started at the beginning of the game nine different positions on the us national team. You just wanted to play those minutes man. That's what you want. Tony's like i'm done with the sitting stuff. I'm doing that again. Can i just ask you this. Because i i went to minnesota and i met him in a he is such a huge figure both in the twin cities but also in the development of sport here in this country buzz lagos. How would you describe buzz. Llagas how would i describe them It's hard to describe them because he's like a second father to me You know and. I grew up with manny and like in the summertime. I spent two weeks at his house and he spent two weeks of my house and we played basketball tennis and soccer so he he's like a dad to me but he's like a community debt right He's he's the guy out there looking for who needs help and youngest big station wagon and then and then a mini van We all piled in. He did whatever it took To keep the sport going to give people opportunities And expressly under communities and you don't he saw bright spots in. If you were willing to put in the work he was going to invest in you. I have to ask you this because mattdoyle our other co host is not on right now specifically want to ask you this question. You talked about all the positions you've played for the national team and everywhere he wants to know if you were coming up now as a player in the way the game has changed with speed and the need for technique across the field. Would you see yourself as a centreback through and through or as a fullback or a wingback or something like that Was game where it was today. It for me was always. It's the same. It depends on what the team was Being as fast as i was And they play three forwards now to be able to get the ball and run at people a lot. would have been effective. Being outside back is easy because physically you can do your job and you go up twice a game in your a hero And if the team's not as great and you want a little bit more control Where i am meant mentally. I would wanna be in the center of the field anywhere anywhere so i wanna go to. It's easy for you know some some of us one of us in this interview made it look pretty darn. I'm gonna throw that out there. Before we get the dc and bruce and i want to jump into that i do want to ask you about the milwaukee panthers because you sort of referenced back to that and you had this group of guys from the twin cities manny included. Go there and you had this incredible career and for those people. That don't know milwaukee panthers that program now we're talking. Jimmy banks sasha sarossy. Obviously you guys from the twin cities and many others. What were you. What were you in college. What was team like in college. It seemed from the outside looking in when i was three years old. I'm looking back at history now. Like a juggernaut you know in the mid west it was. It was interesting because it was one of the first times in the mid west where you kind of had a diverse team. Milwaukee is really segregated by the polish the croatians You know it was an experience for me to get out of my shell. As i thrived in minnesota people saw me one way And now i could be sort of like. I was being judged by a whole other people not in the last ten years but on the last two weeks But it was. It was a good environment You know brian tompkins. he's at yale. He you know. He cared about his players. Sasha was about winning and you know really pushed us at the younger kids to expect more from each other And then i think we had a good group of people that held each other accountable That just wanted to be good and wanted to make a difference and You know it was nice to be positive in that community. 'cause there wasn't a lot of bright spots. Take me to dc. Take me to that that move. How did that transfer come about. Because you mentioned there. Bruce brought to you need like you're a better soccer player than we thought and immediately. You're this huge piece of a juggernaut truly a juggernaut in terms the original one well and this goes to like you know you and i do. I have a chip on my shoulder. Of course i do i. I've always had you know. I know i'm on the hall of fame ballot right now and i would say you know we can talk about that but you know reasons why and how you get put in in an area. I knew that i was gonna go on the i. Ten people in the draft But the league said we're not gonna pay you more than twenty four thousand. So i i held out i it. It worked against me. That i was from minnesota. I believe it worked against me. Because i was black. I worked against me. Because i didn't go to school I knew i was good. I know i'm play. So i held out and eventually you know one bruce's a winner and he won't give up so he was like fighting with the league to get me And finally one of the scouting reports came in and it was literally like if you're looking for a tall black guy that can run fast yet. That's what you got He's definitely an athlete right. And so you can see how people will position you right and even as you go to you know as we look at some of these big things or how. Our nation view soccer players right You know i am You know this isn't for me to brag about what what i did but i. I believe i was good at creating a winning culture wherever i went. I know statistically. When i retired i had the best. Winning percentage of any player that ever played in the mls. I not stuff you mentioned at the same time. I was never all star right At the same time. As i went to europe i was the highest paid person my team. I played in the championship. So you know if i look at. Who's deciding who are players are Do i get typecast. Absolutely bruce saw me as a winner he saw me that could help his teams and he gave me an opportunity so He just kept saying. We're gonna make it happen. We're gonna make it happen and when it happened it was great. And i went in and the hardest thing for me was. I didn't start my first championship game. Then i got injured and then he didn't start me in the final And i came off the bench and scored And after that. I never didn't start another game We're bruce arena. Was the coach. So that locker. Room like marco an hyman harks and pope. And you know you can keep going. There's so many names. What was it like to be in that locker room. In that moment in time but i would say as i played on a lot of putting champions league teams play the european the national team that dc united team may have been the best team. I've ever been you know. Markle was by far the best player that ever played with Me he's g. I run up like i. The moment i'd staff and saved mark just told you to run. The ball is going gonna get. Don't talk okay and you had guys like harks broke down barriers that were leaders guys at new their roles richie williams so under appreciated he was playing today. Like what's the difference between guy like kante hiding merano. Probably one of the top three forwards ever in the league score. Run eddie. poke jeff. it was colosseum osa Row d. as arce roy lassiter roy. Right i mean it goes on. There was a lot of talent and You know was the best part of being a mad team s marsh if you came out of practice with bragging rights like you did something special and you look forward to come into practice to get bragging rights and it was a good team in. I truly believed it helped me develop so we talked a lot about the history of clubs over the last year. And we've talked a lot about marco etcheverry which is well deserved. We've also had you know we did best players in club history and league history and positions and stuff and eddie. Pope's come up a lot not a lot of people that listen to this show. I watched him at his peak. And i think we've talked about. He had you know offers from europe and chose not to go and came to this league. You tell people a little bit about what. He was like as a teammate. What he was like as a player how good. Maybe he was right. You don't we came up together. You know what he reminds. Me of is like d'essai right. He was You as fast. He was strong his job And he didn't need to do more than his job. he did his job. And you never had to worry about. And i think when i moved to right back It was great because you know normally you have to help the players next to you right and so you risk and how close how far you need to leave your man. It'd be by the other man. In case he gets you know with any. I could be two steps farther away cause the likelihood of him getting beat and even if he did i would be able to get there in time so it helped me be a better defender with with my position He was fast. He was also one of the fast people on our team. Could in the air Again and big moments. He showed up as he showed like. We both scored in finals in the championship games His demeanor was just about getting the work done. He's all business No quiet guy unless you got close to him But highly intelligent Really read the game very well you know and you know what i would say about attias. He's a you don't wanna cross him And you know you know there are some days a study. And i even remember just like i'm like eddie. We got a game on friday. You go into a bad tackle. He was not afraid. You you went into a bad tackle with with eddie on friday you would be in jeopardy not playing on saturday because he he would come back but you know there. There's times you know. I remember richie williams and were spirited and and and other people but Eddie wasn't gonna back down and he wasn't gonna take any and At the same time he played by his own rules and that was respected his space and his ability to inflict pain on you And so i think as i a- character people were scared of eddie Physically what he was and he didn't talk so you you never knew what he was thinking. You know he could. He could outsmart u In in fear And i think he's underrated with his ability really efficient with the ball so it wasn't like he was dribbling through a thousand people are making these sixty yard runs but he never lost the ball very efficient. Sorry 'cause i know we run scarred by his in your time or the time around. Who's the greatest center back in national team history. Us men's national team is i. Would i would say if i had to play with. Any player is played to date. I would pick eddie. I haven't there. But i've not been. Yeah yeah we're we're putting them on the mount rushmore for dc for all sorts of different things you were there for the municipal the dynasty right. You weren't there for ninety nine but you were there. Ninety six ninety seven ninety eight. You lifted a bunch of stuff. What is this sort of. What's the most memorable moment for you in dc. The one if you kind of had to sum it all up and it doesn't have to be on the field. There could be off. The field could be part of a celebration. It could just be a relationship. It could be anything you know for me. There was kinda like personal personal turning points. And i would say The second year and the beginning of the third year. I think the second year in the final you know we had sold out fifty six thousand an assist on the first goal And i scored the game. Winning goal and i looked up by ten best friends. Were sitting behind the goal. Stadium's going wow and you know. I had done before. And we're gonna win and then a third moment to me was where i kind of knew that you might time it past The first game of the ninety eight season now. I went from being a role player. Jim nationally recognized scoring in the final. And i knew. I could do it on both ends. I was always smart enough to defend first and go up when it. We played miami and they were. They were They weren't expansion. And i had an assistant ago. I made this run and it was like a ninety yard. Overlap and i try to do is not look for marco lasted because he goes you pass the ball and let this and it just it just made me feel like i was comfortable and that was embraced and part of something really special at knew it was something really special all right. Let's go to God we have so much to do an hour and a half at all tony. That's the sad part. It's like how do we now decide what we wanna talk to you about. We'll have to do this again. You you blazed the trail to germany to her to nuremberg after that. What was that journey like for you in that sort of like you know ninety nine two thousand zone when it's not like it is today for you to go into these cultures being who you are. Just take me into your shoes in those moments. I think you know when you go somewhere. I like one get better. Leave everything you have how to go do something. That's what one hundred percent of your effort is going to be to be in successful You know getting through the loneliness As a soccer player when you're playing in the champions life is good no matter what right like that's who you are that brings you joy and it starts to you know find you Athlete an exciting time again. You know it's weird with the lack of social media Exposure on television where. I don't think the american public like really saw me play. Where where i was like captain in my team in nuremberger you know beating a labor cruising team that was in the champions league final or or soc- nana champions league goal against chelsea In against rivaldo so it was a time. And you know people say like I mean i don't know if my smile can get any bigger. Like i enjoy life right in every possible way and i've done what i wanted to do the way i wanted to do it. And i've been truly blessed Sportsman really good to me. And like i said part of it is i. Don't i don't need to prove anything anybody. Because i've been there You know some of my favorite times. We're getting back together with the old crew because you can look across the locker room with each other It's the same way. Like when i used to play on the field and once i knew i was faster than everybody. You kind of look at somebody look in the eye and he just gives you that look. He's like it's gonna be a long day and you're like yes. We have a look at your teammates in and you get it right you get. It doesn't matter what the media says. It doesn't matter what the blog say like at the end of the day. You know you're going to go into battle who they're going to call and who you're gonna come out of that fire with and and that that's what it was about being the erin I enjoyed life. And i don't know if you guys heard stories i used to have a bar there A lot of americans came there to stay with me so tell term timeout. We were like yeah we were like. Oh we we might have to wrap this time reasons but this is now the unders say nothing. Tell us about the bar. What was the name of the bar. Where where was the bar what. What was the bar of lack. The bar was called inspire. It was like a block off like the main street in berlin. Know it was more of a tax write off and it was like an american bar so all the nba players a lot of the north carolina players played in bruin. There so they would come in and it was kind of like an american hang out At the same time like you know my my. Gm whitcomb Tony i i guess you said we heard you like to have a good time. Yeah doesn't everybody. We heard that you liked to have a good time past three or four in the morning. Four or five days a week. And i said oh. I don't know where you heard that phone. He's like you have this bar. And i'm not sure if that's the right place for you and be and he's like all the players are there and people can see you and your smoke see. Know i'm alone. I go the eat burana. Americans like well every time we see you in the bar. During the week past ten o'clock it's gonna be ten thousand dollars so we're just letting you so the big joke was you know we'd be there at night and everyone. We'd say hey. Driving by harness is the brother of early harnesses like he's driving by right and hit the floor and crawl the back door and go home. I get home and they called me. The were just joking on but it was like i said i. I've always tried to lived forty my teammates and being around positive culture and was a great city to do it in so you bet everywhere now. We need to know where you are now. Because you've got the logo behind you. You've been doing some awesome work so tell us a little about it. Amend the twin cities at this community center. We've taken over the city. We're doing a ten million dollar renovation can be the safest field in the twin cities. Rock pat in there. It's can be approved field a dome. It's been minus zero. You guys come to minnesota bring a hat. It's one degree here. I know that's nothing for you. But i'm i'm hurting. Yeah so we're going to have an indoor fields computer lab. We do free summer camps for over ten thousand kids here so really hoping move the sport of soccer through at the grassroots level I'm also we're also education and Developing teachers of color food served over two million pounds of food so really hope supporting the community. But soccer is kinda like with drives this engine and it's my like create a piece of it and will always be part of the organization But i think anywhere you can have a community that supports the whole community but soccer is a major driver in it. that's the way that we instill it. Institutionally so it becomes like a normal thing not all. Those guys are doing some soccer. Think now it's a normal community organization. We do soccer because everyone does a a foundation. Got checked out in saint paul. I am curious before we let you go. Tony and we talked a little bit about this now. The black players for change in this last year have really pushed things forward in a milan. Shine some lights into some corners where it needed to be shined. What do you think of the work that they've done the opportunity For for young black people in this country to to be involved in this game and then the opportunity also for people like yourself and all these players have incredible resumes To have roles that maybe haven't been available or just haven't haven't materialized form in the past right so he i'm really proud of those guys to step up because so often night were worried about the repercussions speaking out on it. So i along with some other. African american leaders founded an organization called score move. You're familiar with abbott. Were a growing group of african american leaders and professionals in the game soccer and broadcasting to kind of bring all the pieces together the black players for changed by coaches association to really have a collective voice on behalf of people call her In the game of soccer If you look at the recent hires not one. African american was hired on any these head coaching job. So although they're msa that it's a priority the numbers don't back it up and so we want to support the players Not only while. They're playing to put him on a path. Because you know we'll hear stuff like you know. What is your resume to get this done. And you know. I don't i don't want to out anybody But there's been a lot of players that have been given jobs because they were friends with the owners and it seems like there's two sets rule so we can look at the qualifications But there's a lot like an eye at some point. I'll go back in the game I'd like to see cobi. Jones have relief position in the game He's giving back so much eddie. Eddie's workout the agent side. But i really think that he needs to be on the institutional side of the game or for the national team to be you know. What are we trying to do right. Like these will look at guys like eddie pro myself. damarcus beasley gooch. Our whole goal is to replicate us replicated without our voice to tell you how to do it. But you don't wanna include us so it's challenging time and the league has said that they're going to be positive going forward and so i really appreciate the efforts. Don's made personally along with eddie representing score on mls diversity committee to help grow the game Be and we're thankful that he asked us to be a part of that. Our voices will be there and everything that they've said they wanna do is going in the right direction but like a lot of corporate america who you know made a big deal after the george floyd morton murder. We'll see anything changes in two or three years We're optimistic but we're kind of coming together on our own to make sure it happens so you'll hear a lot about score black players for change And really you know. We're we're we're excited that There's so many people that believe in equity and understand the world is going to be a better place for giving an equal chance before. I let you go. I have to ask you. You said it there. You want to get back into the game. In that way at some point what would you want to do. What would tony sign. I think is the the right place for him in this game in this country. I do three things one. I join a coaching staff My specialty is building relationships with younger players. We have so many young players that they come in. They can't get on the field because they can't get right in three years. They're not young anymore and we take longer. I know what the differences of being a uso player in being a national player. And it's not a lot. And so i would want to be on a coaching. Staff focused on the sixteen to twenty four year old And making them professionals and part of that is developing them as people You know the other thing that i wouldn't mind doing is is you look at more of a technical director Gm i believe it's about building culture inside of an organization so you can build it on the field to move to the front office or you can build it in the front office to move on the field but i believe if you can build positive culture around winning and being a good person you can build a good organization and so if somebody looked at my past in my career and thought that i could come in and help them do that then i would. I would be interested in those kind of opportunities. I look forward to seeing a senior in that. That spot seeing what you could do tony doing great work in the twin cities. My god we didn't even talk about the world cup's in the national team on the show. I know we're gonna have we're going to have you have to have you back with. The stories are incredible. And now i'm just honestly kicking myself that i wasn't of age and able to travel to berlin in those hertha days to stay up to three or four am at tony's bar kicking it with all the americans in berlin. That sounds like the most amazing experience of all time. Tony thank you yeah. There's allegedly no confirmation here. We don't know if he was there. He was at home at ten pm. Man he was get some good sleep all right. Tony appreciate your time and everybody out there. The science foundation in saint paul go. Check them out. Check out the work. They're doing if you got some spare funds laying around your thinking. I want to support a soccer based organization that helps the community. This is a great one to look at tony. We appreciate your time in cute. Thank you both oh. Mls story storytime is back. So if you have someone you would like us to talk to to pull history out of. Let's say or good anecdotes or whatever might be hit us up. Four one two zero six zero. Mls extra time in soccer dot com. I am open. I welcome suggestions. It's my favorite part of the show walking down memory lane with these guys and women as well. So have you have those. Let's do that. I hope that there will be a couple of going to the national soccer hall of fame. That's what my 'bout reflects. Let's get to the mailbag. We start with a legend. dan steady. Who says i need a power. Rankings for places. You've recorded the pod. What would be the number one. And i will start number. One is clearly clearly clearly hotel room after mls cup. I knew you were gonna say that. That is the best place to record the podcast. We've done that many times whether it be after all star games whatever. You could throw in an airbnb into that. Remember a red bulls sporting kansas city. Us open cup final in which we had we like just right under the red under. The deadline got about five or six pizzas. Delivered had a bottle of brown and just sat in that living room and recorded extra time and that was a magnificent experience. So that would be easy number one. And i would say green room with bobby and the two of you guys would be my number two and bobby clearly not paying any attention whatsoever on the field for an open company. Houston was pretty cool. That was dope. We also had a phase where i think it was just you and me we be. I don't know where doyle doyle was on the phone california and we would record in basically a phone booth. Andrew would be on top of each out yes and then we would record the show in the analysts office phone booth. Yeah and that be. You'd have a lot of. Mos employs role in. Pass us look in there. Being like i have a conference call and you guys you guys things. We do every monday and thursday. You take over the prime conference room in this spot for like six hours. How can this possibly were upgraded from phone booth. The conference room solution. Well no there were the phone booths. That's when we couldn't get the conference room but when we could camp out in the conference room. We absolutely would do that. You have a number one door the number one podcast like the one that you remember that it could be. Bali dies on the floor sway. Exactly that when post twenty eighteen. Mls cup if you go back if you go back and listen to the head you could hear bobby on dying in real time like that was that. Was this incredible. I don't get any love for carrying the gigantic equipment. We used to have from san francisco to the bay area. Oh true and we come to your place and you refused to sit on the couch. You remember this band such Do you wanna sit on the couch and you know. I'm good on the floor. Because the rebecca was like scandalized. By this she started dragging chairs over to you. And you know i'm good. I'm just putting the open after that. You help me on the cross legged guy just like you know. Get a little stretch in make sure. The hips are nice and loose. All right what else we got. I know we've got to get out of here. Run out of time honors in the chat. Yeah we talked about piatti where he would fit. Jr from florida. Says if someone's gonna bring piatti back. I think orlando would be a good fit. He'd have to accept that super several as you said you could rotate him in ninety keeping them both fresh running with a lot of gas throughout the season Certain amount of sense. But i don't know if. I don't know if ninety months to be rotated that's fair. Do we think that Do we think that he could play like a forward roll anyway in his old age. If you go to like a four four two but not if you're gonna week. The line is center. Florida for so banged. Bring daryl back baby and play the narrow decay. That is like. I mean. I could i. This is what football managers for. I would be there. Just simulating entire seasons chris mueller some time with the national team. Some rumors around him. Maybe what his future is things like that. So you have two spots to rotate rotate them. Through it's interesting for a club who's not gonna make a lot of big moves right. Who had a good year last year so as we said i think piatti would work on every team in key. That's it for us to day. Thank you to tony. Thank you to flee bay. Thank you for letting me drag the show into a longer than we had planned. Enjoy your weekend. Everybody hit us up with any and all queries for the mailbag unders. I come on says. I'm not welcome but i'm welcome. Have a great weekend. Everybody will see on monday.

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#1474 - Dr. Rhonda Patrick

The Joe Rogan Experience

3:17:10 hr | 1 year ago

#1474 - Dr. Rhonda Patrick

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Rhonda Patrick Joe Rogan Experience. Podcast we saying you suck. It's embarrassing you go ahead like sometimes when I get nervous my I will start watering like. I don't think there's odd again. That's probably pretty normal. I mean your systems fired up and is probably trying to clear themselves right. Maybe you know I mean. I'm just speculating. Maybe people will message me after this. This podcast that happens to me you and I'll feel better like I'm sure doesn't sound that odd. That's certainly not embarrassing so I don't know why embarrassed by eyes watering if you're nervous thanks for being here really appreciate it. I am super at always happy to come. Well we've been talking and we've been talking about immune systems and this is one of the main things I wanted to talk to you about. What are these trick is always hearing is shelter in place? Where Mask don't touch anybody? Don't go outside but we're not hearing. What can you do to strengthen your immune system and I think as a public health public service health thing. This is one of the most important things that I think you can really focus and concentrate on an actual thing that you could be proactive about during this weird time. Yeah well definitely I think focusing on on you know lifestyle factors that you can you know possibly modulate your immune system and strengthen it is is important. What's interesting is that the immune system is doing just so much of course the past couple of months. I've been nothing but like reading about the immune system and trying to understand. Of course this new virus ours co two But I've just learned so much You know over the past couple of months and not an immunologist not an infectious disease expert. So you know. While I've had some training in all G I definitely didn't know don't know everything. There is to know but what you know doing some reading about like why are people's immune systems so different like. That's not the big thing like when you take like a young population as you get older. Your immune system does decline. I mean there's lots of changes that occur but like in general like people have different immune systems. And what's interesting is that there's been tons of like genetic studies done on like you know identical twins and they're followed over time and what's found. Is that genetic is not the major regulator of immune function Something in the environment and what this is what surprised me and I know it's not totally going to answer your question. But will we totally get to that? But the main one of the main things besides age that regulates immune system is like previous exposure to viruses like so I thought that was really interesting and in particular one one virus. The SCIATIC MEGA VIRUS SAMBI. Did you know between fifty to eighty percent of the? Us population has at least by the time they're like an adult has it permanently or I think it's a it's a virus so it's a lifelong thing and this is why it basically so it it. It changes your immune system. What are the symptoms of most people? That are healthy. Don't ever know they have it because there's no symptoms. Yeah unless you're immuno-compromised but most people that are healthy. They don't know that they're infected with say it again. What does it decide Omega? It's cmv sounds like something Godzilla fights there. It is so when so intrigue. But here's the interesting thing about this virus. Is that it. So this is one of the major things. Multiple studies have been looking at you know just immune variability and it's like cmv's been identified in multiple studies and the thing that the reason it got me interested. Because I was like eighty almost eighty percent. I could have right totally. Have it and it changes the immune function. It's totally different between young and old so so when you're younger and if you have it It actually enhances immune function so. They've done studies where like they they have given people influenza vaccine and oftentimes these vaccine studies are used to kind of test the immune response and like how. You're how robust your immune responses. Because you're you're given a vaccine and there's all different types of scenes pieces of an antigen or all different types of ways that you can you expose someone to Bacteria or virus but You have a response to it and the response is you know. Involves your adaptive immunity. You make what's called neutralizing. Antibodies that you know. Basically eventually buying the virus neutralize it prevent pregnant from entering the cell so people that have. Cnbc their young have a really robust response to the vaccine. Much better but older people have the complete opposite where it's like you know. Delete -arious and the reason for that scientists think is because basically this virus it's stuck with you lifelong and kind of reactivates every few years and like every time it reactivates it kind of trains. Your T. cells which are part of your immune system to to become focused on that. Cmv and so as you get older your your t cell population becomes more focused on fighting that virus and less so on other viruses that you're exposed to but this is a virus doesn't have any symptoms most healthy people don't have any symptoms with it. I know it's really weird so what. I'm wondering and the reason I'm even like going here at and it has nothing to do with you know taking vitamin C. or zinc and we can talk about that stuff and Vitamin D. But I just thought it so damn interesting because we hear all these stories in the news where you know some people are a symptomatic. Some people are you know. Some people are just really getting hard hit and these people. Let's say they're more age matched right. We know that elderly people are more prone to severe form. But it just made me think what if this you know. Previous previous viral exposure to something like. Cmv is kind of like also kinda shaping people's immune responses in some way. Surely people are going to be looking looking at that but I just thought that was a really interesting thing. Come across you know and then the other sort of on the same on the same along the same lines. As previous previous virus exposure is like something. That really seems to be something. That is a main regulator of how people like how your immune what your immune response is and so. You mean by how many times you've caught the flu. How many times you've whether you respond to it you know. Yeah I mean like you if you get. The flu is not. Is it like a three day kind of thing or is it gonNA knock you out for two weeks kind of thing? That's what I mean right so I mean if you if you get a sample like they're spending these ciro surveys where they basically that just means they. They'll they'll get a sample of plasma and look for different. Antibodies viral antibodies. And they'll find at any given points. A person has antibodies against ten different viruses. Just randomly you know. So you're you're constantly being exposed viruses. You're not always just don't succumb to them right. You're not always getting sick and so You know like another really interesting kind of thing is like you know there's so the SARS Cov virus It's part of a family of of current Iris's called the Beta Corona viruses. So harsh cove won the virus that was responsible for the original outbreak in two thousand and two or something. The mayor's one in the Middle East and then there's two different ones that are responsible for the common cold now. Corona viruses are only responsible between fifteen to thirty percent of common cold cases. So it's not like the common cold is is illness you get but there's lots of different viruses that can cause it. But what's interesting is that. There's been studies showing that these two. Beta by that are responsible for some of the common cold cross-react with So there's one that cross reacts with the SARS cove one which has very very the sequence is very homologous to Sarcoma virus and It's also been shown that the SARS Cov antibodies against the stars Cope. One can neutralize the common cold one. So there's cross immunity happening between these other viruses right and so there's been some studies by the CDC on SARS Cov to where they found basically That people that are infected with SARS co ff to also boost their antibodies against the common cold. One so you know. There's there's certainly I think a good hypothesis to be made that could potentially one or two of these common cold viruses could antibodies. You make against them could also somehow. Maybe maybe you know interact with the SARS virus neutralize it. I mean that's a big open question. That seems possible without. We don't have an answer to that. I think we will like. There's large there's large scale. Ciro surveys being done. I know at least three that I think his name is Dr Michael Bush's at UCSF. He's like he's he's doing like really large surveys where they're they're going to be analyzing. Sierra from people from like you know blood donors and stuff and like following over the course of several years to see you know just basically understand more thou- now what is the speculation if there's any sort of uniform speculation as to why you when you hear about prisons where a lot of these prisoners. I don't know if you've seen the video going around where one prisoner had Sars SARS cove to and covert one thousand nine hundred and spitting into a cup and then passing it around to all these other inmates so they could all get it so that they get released. So these 'cause they're releasing people especially California which is so wacky they're releasing sex offenders and there's been some really high profile releases of these horrible people that should be in jail probably forever. They're releasing them. It's like it it's really disturbing. But what would cause other than something like that? What would cause all these prisoners to not just be positive that makes sense but to all be a symptomatic. Is there any speculation as to why these large groups there was another one? That was a meat packing plant. Where most of the people were awesome dramatic as well. I wasn't I wasn't aware of the meatpacking one being matic but I did read about the one in prison and it was like blowing my mind like what's going on like that's insane. It's kind of like you read these stories. So so this is like there's one thing that it's important to keep in mind when we say hey symptomatic like you know there's a symptomatic in like a person that never actually get symptoms right and then there's a so there was a study done at the CDC a month ago maybe a little more where they measured like They did it. They did this national fair and jail swab test in a nursing home. Seventy something people and Thirteen of them tested a symptomatic like they had no symptoms but they tested positive but then they went back a week. Later and ten of those people had symptoms three racism dramatic. So and less. Like there's another like if you test someone and there is some dramatic at that time testing. That could be pre-symptomatic right in other words like you have to go back a week later and see if they have symptoms because that that's really important so so let's say even sixty percent were dramatically. I don't know if they went back and tested a week later. It was just like a single time. But that's what that's what this is. What got me thinking about this whole thing was you know in in the prisons and jails. I mean they're in close quarters and you got one virus that someone's exposed you and they all get it right so like what? If there's I don't know the percentage there but what if the krona viruses are going around there what if what if you know some some common cold krona viruses gone around and that those antibodies that they've made to neutralize that Beta coronavirus helping with the SARS cove to like love to see that tested to immunize people vaccinate people. When they go to jail. I was trying to figure that out as well because like the tuberculosis but one of the types of vaccines do for TB like Japan and some other countries where they've got a really low Death rate and so there that's test that's a clinical trial. That's now going on where they're trying to test. But I was trying to figure out your explanation because I would imagine it'd be simple for them to do that. You're entering into prison. They vaccinate you just to. I couldn't come to an answer. I was searching for that. The Internet is trying to figure that out but I think that's also a really good. I mean there's a ton of theories right I mean just you could go on and on and on but the whole thing that I just think that I would like to see more research and I'm just hoping that CD and other people are investigating these these other the crossing unity right like if there's if there's antibodies that you're making against another corona virus. Beta coronavirus in the same family as this one no one's had served one in the United States. That one doesn't that that's not as relevant as the common cold. That's that's very common. So you know. If fifteen thirty percent of the common cold is composed of chronic viruses. We know at least two of those corona virus or are in the same family that been identified to make at least in one case. There's been neutralizing antibodies. There has been crossed immunity. Then you'd think why why not test that let's get. Some animal. Studies started on that. You know he could have animal studies. There was an article that I was reading yesterday. That was saying that they're hoping that they've found some antibodies in llamas that they're hoping they're going to be able to because it's seeming finace because of these. Antibodies in Llamas. They they've they're hoping they can either. Transfer them to people or learn something about how these antibodies are created. But Llamas seemed to be here. It is llamas. Could be the key to fighting new crow viruses. Research says make that larger. It says It may sound bizarre to but llamas could be the key to finding new corona virus researchers from Belgium or MEM- remember. That's the Big Lady that Oh showing you earlier. She's a health lady and the United States published an article this week in the Journal cell that highlights the potential use of Lama antibodies to prevent Kovic nineteen factions. Antibodies from a four year old Belgian Lama. Name Winter Show promise in blocking corona virus from infecting cells according to research from the University of Texas Austin the National Institutes of Health. And the get high said that game. G. H. E. N. T. University studying early forms of the virus. Researchers have found an antibody in winter that effectively attached itself in neutralize spike protein in SARS cove one and Moore's cove a researchers believe that particularly antibody which has been found in other lamas well can be injected into an uninfected individual to protect them from getting infected with the new corona virus. Yes I think you know. There's there's lots of avenues for you know therapeutics in you know in addition to like repurposing drugs Monoclonal antibodies. You know being able to basically identify. Antibodies that do neutralized SARS Cov virus whether they come from llamas or humans and basically identify the specific antibodies that can bind to that spike protein. That you just mentioned which is that region. It's known that the antibodies Bein. Their neutralize it. It's also the region that that is used to get inside of the cell so monoclonal antibodies. I think are really big You know possibility for promising therapeutic because you can then I mean the problem is growing like large scale manufacturing them right so like if you can identify these antibodies and then manufacture them you can inject them people and then potentially get some protection. The problem is is that. That's not like it's going to be a short lived protection it's GonNa be. It's not like it's not like a vaccine where your body's making its own antibodies. And they're and they're more longer-lived but so in areas where people getting exposed. Perhaps you could give it to them and it would stop them from getting but how long we short live we. Well WE DON'T. I don't know I mean how it's you know. It's probably enough to like if you're a healthcare worker your first line. I Responder People. That are definitely like being exposed to large doses of the virus That that could be a promising area but also I think even just treating patients like that have already been infected. You know so. That's that's also another so like in combination with some of this other stuff like from desert ear Which is you know. It's not like a a silver bullet but it seems like it's also prompting promising probably with combination of other other factors as well But yeah the Mona monoclonal. Antibodies is really. I know there's like general big company. They're They're they're growing some large get once. I think there's I they. They isolated from human mice or something. But there's other companies that have isolated from humans that have been affected So you know. That's that's definitely A promising area for sure and the good thing about that is that have you heard of antibody dependent enhancement dome. So that's a big concern All right so so basically when you when your body is exposed to a pathogen like a virus your your innate immune system you know the first line of defense like neutrophils things like that are making hydrogen peroxide trying to kill the virus. But then in the background your adaptive immune system and I'm just totally generalizing is you know is is also working in the background. And you know. Part of that. An adaptive immune response is to produce antibodies. So you have memory cells. That are making antibodies that are specific to bind different regions. Up on the virus and neutralize them. Prevent them from getting inside of the cell and so The adaptive immune system usually takes about seven days. After you're exposed to the virus right. The problem is antibody dependent enhancement so sometimes a neutralizing antibody is an antibody that can bind to the virus and neutralize it. Stop it from entering yourself right. So you're doing its job but you sometimes make antibodies that are non neutralizing or don't do as good a job. They don't find his tight or something. And then you can have. What's called antibody dependent enhancement and this was like a big problem for the RSV vaccine Back in the you know like most kids get RSV. It's a respiratory tract infection. The most kids get it by the time they're too Like an there's no vaccine that that are that's given Back in the sixties there was this antibody dependent enhancement happening. Some clinical studies with toddlers and some problems got really really sick in a couple died but what happens is basically the antibody binds that. There's a couple of things. Antibody binds the virus and can basically change its conformation and allow the virus to get into the cell better than you become like you get like a higher viral load and then you don't have antibodies neutralize it and it just it could be more could be could lead to death The other thing that happens is the antibody binds. The virus doesn't neutralize it but it like makes us crazy. Immune complex activates your immune system to just go haywire and it causes all sorts of pathology. And that's what happened with the Toddlers so there's a few viruses that this happens with and unfortunately corona viruses one like this has been identified with SARS cove one Virus in I think marriage is well where So this is also a problem with vaccine so like people giving giving the vaccine people's immune response some people can have that antibody dependent enhancement. And that's what was shown happen with these with the SARS one there is some non human primates studies at that did that In also animal studies as well. So you know the thing with monoclonal antibodies. Is there a little more specific? Because you know they neutralize and you're like growing them up like you've done that tests as opposed to just letting your immune system do its thing and then potentially you may have this like non neutralizing antibody that could cause problems. But that's kind of the concern and I know that vaccine people that are working in vaccines. They're working on. I'm it's like they're concerned about that and completely trying to like figure that all out so just strange virus it. It almost seems like there's multiple viruses. There are yeah so I mean there's an it's funny that it's kind of connected to this antibody dependent enhancement. There's there's been quite a few different like forms like mutations that have been identified but to particular in that spike protein region. That's an important region because antibodies bind there. And because that's the region like that you know the viruses to get into the cell and so There's been there's been two major like Strains that have been identified and one of them. So it's an in the spike region and that's ASPARTAME glazing mutation and basically in Asia in China It the the the dominant form is the aspartame the original quote unquote for him And then in Europe and also in North America this other this other form the glycemic mutant is prominent and there's been studies that have shown looking at like okay looking in parts of Europe different countries in Europe. That have this predominant form that they're basically there's a higher mortality rate but didn't actually measure the infected patients of you know it's kind of like correlation but What's interesting is that? There's there's actually been a genetic link to this this mutant so There's studies there's been march gilded antics genetic studies that have found that Asians about twenty percent of Asians have a a a basically a Nucle- tight change in a gene that encodes for approach as that's involved in this you know basically allowing fires to get into the cell but that basically prevents them from having this new mutant that's predominant in Europe and also in New York In North America in general because my friend Michael who got it his mom who got who's in her seventies is Asian and issued kicked it and That is interesting. Says there's something so they're they're wonder if she has that snips we. We were genetic report that we have like. We've got one that's like a new viral ports. A free one where we're kind of putting some of these interesting snips which don't mean anything. I mean like just information. That was interesting. There's a lot of researchers out there trying to like figure out of genetics is involved in this. But the thing that's interesting about that mutation is that The it's in that Spike Region. And it's where the antibody binds and and there's A. There's like a theory going around because that's Pacific region. It's been shown in cove one to 'cause antibody dependent enhancement. So there's a theory that potentially that mutation is causing people's immune system to hyperactive eight and basically become more active and it can lead to a mortgage severe Copa Nineteen illness. That's not been shown like it's stopping shown at all so But it's interesting right. It's interesting how in Asia and China particularly I mean about one percent of the population. It's like less than one percent has the other mutation the the glycemic mutation. That's in New York. It's in You know in in most of the United States but That that in less than one percent of the population in China. How's that form so we're in? Japan has a very low mortality rate. Correct yeah they do I know that that I was mentioned that vaccine. That's one thing that they're investigating. I mean there's all sorts of differences in handling the whole. You know from the beginning. Just how you how you handle my resume like this. There's too many factors to like say one thing but you know there's there's lots of. There's lots of possibilities and I think that that I think that eventually there's going to be therapeutics. That are identified. You're not me multiple ones? Maybe and I think vitamin D is going to potentially play a role there But I mean just like things like does appear and the monoclonal antibodies. And then you eventually like A vaccine will you know eventually you know be be available but I think until that until that point. I do think that things will be identified. That just kind of help us like deal with us like better. You know what is going on with blood types. One of the things we talked about earlier. You asked my blood type. O positive wise. Oh positive better. Well there's there's been some data and this was also identified with SARS Cov one That people with type O blood they They make antibodies. They make type A antibodies whereas people with type A blood Antibodies against like they make an against the B Antigen and so the type. Antibodies were identified. So there's been studies looking at people with type O blood or type Type Abe lied and also type B and Type O blood. There's like less less frequency of getting covert nineteen so as opposed to having a severe form. It's just like you're less likely to contract it and it stopped because the type a antibodies that people would typo blood make neutralize the they basically bind to that region that spike region and neutralizing antibody prevent it from the virus from entering the cell. So that's at least. That was the mechanism that was shown with Sarge Cope. One so it's thought. Oh well the same. We're seeing the same pattern where people typo are protected from SARS COV to possibly. That's that's also. Why but another really interesting thing. Is that people typo blood we were also talking about these like blood clots and like I mean. There's all kinds of crazy things you read. I mean I'm reading all these publications just and then the other thing is all eats. Publications are being uploaded on before the peer reviewed and I mean some of them are just a mess anyways. But you know you kind of just take it with a grain. Salt where these clots are like. You know. There's clots people that are healthy and young certainly people that have severe cases. People like older people people that are Preexisting conditions and stuff and the TYPO blood people have lower levels of this van. Will Lebron factor which basically is involved in clotting and it's been shown that that bond will Lebron factor also Is like is higher. It's higher in people with cars. Two has shown. Also be that SARS Cov one and it's involved with clotting so having lower levels may somehow even help protect against that's a theory it hasn't been shown but What is known is that people will typo. Blood are are less susceptible to contracting Copa Nineteen. That's that's definitely known But I mean I think there's so many things just there's so many factors that a lot of data needs to be passed out for sure I mean a lot of data that means progress out a lot of data that needs to be generated. And you know. We need higher quality data. We need know people to repeat stuff. I mean. Look what's happened with this hydroxy chloroquine stuff right. I mean I mean. It's just kind of a mess. Where initially it seemed like could be helpful and and then just more and more studies came out where it was not knowing not helpful it. Was You know? Toxic IS CAUSING. People tap dangerous arrhythmias and stuff you know. So that's that's kind of the the reason to be cautious when when you have something new and a small one small study like in the beginning. At least they're trying to figure out what the correct treatment for these people as they were just showing up in mass in the emergency rooms and they didn't really doctors they varied in how they approached it. My Friend Michael. His doctor didn't put on a ventilator and he said if I put him on a ventilator he's probably going to die right because he said his body is going to stop working. Because it's it's GonNa let the ventilator do the breathing forum it's going to give up and when he was talking about After the fact would Michael's talking about was how that is proven to be correct in New York and that some monstrous number like eighty percent of the bureau put on ventilators wind up. Not Just New York. I like a life had friends that are physicians. That have like you know in New Orleans. I mean same thing where it's like you know I. There was someone on my team. We were looking. We were doing some research on this and I didn't sort of dive into the whole thing but he was he was telling me that Ventilators do actually like cause more damage to the like like. He'd been reading some studies to confirm that and he was pretty certain that that ventilators actually caused damage in actually could like induced damage. Where it's like making it worse. So that's so specific all I know. Is that it it looking at the statistics. Like if you go on a ventilator and surely it seems like the outcomes not very. It doesn't seem like it's going to be very good but it's hard to say is that the cause of it or is a right there so fucked up by the time they get on a ventilator one of dying right well here. The there's been some really interesting data looking at like in the Philippines and Indonesia else nor I think New Orleans as well. They've looked at patients that have died and their vitamin D levels and in basically like in the Philippines you know people that for like every standard deviation increase in vitamin D levels serum vitamin D levels. You know the people had like an eight percent or eightfold eight times less likely to have a severe form of Cobra nineteen and if they had and they were twenty times less likely to have critical light critic critical form of cove nineteen In the in the Philippines in the Indonesia was a really interesting study where like they measured vitamin D and this was measured in the patients. There's been some vitamin D studies. Also were there like looking at you know countries that have been affected the worse and they all like have low vitamin D. And it's like okay well anyways that's correlation but also this but a little. It's a little stronger data. The in the in Indonesia patients that died ninety almost one hundred percent. It was ninety eight point something percent of patients that died with Kobe. Nineteen we're vitamin D deficient four percent of patients that died from covert nineteen. We're vitamin D selfish. Four percent only four percent. We're fight vitamin D sufficient. So basically they're all vitamin D deficient. That are dying go crazy right and New Orleans had some crazy crazy number. Be The mechanism that would cause so. I think there's all right can we? Can we get into vitamins? It's a big. I really think of you. I take five thousand a day awesome right now. I'm taking five thousand dollars a day. you know. Seventy percent of the population has insufficient vitamin D levels which is considered less than blood levels less than thirty milligrams nanograms per milliliter. Something that you your body can generate naturally if you're exposed to on a daily basis. Yes that's the best way to get. It is but the problem is is that we don't go outside anymore and you don't exactly now more than ever terrible recipe right vitamin D deficiency is. What makes it worse and then you're staying inside. You're not getting any vitamin D. Yeah you're becoming even more deficient you know like like somewhere like twenty eight percent of the. Us population is actually deficient like less than twenty nanograms per mil. That's defined deficiency. So there's a lot of in the United States As you mentioned you make it from the Sun so particularly UV radiation. There's a reason why I want to talk about this You make it from radiation exposure. You know basically you're it's made in the skin and But you know there are certain times of the year depending on where you live and more northern latitude where you've isn't even hitting the atmosphere making vitamin D. Also if you have darker skin Melanin protects you like the whole you know people. With darker skin people From Africa or India or South Asia the more equatorial regions there. Closer closer to to to the equator. And there's more UV radiation throughout the year and so as a protective mechanism to not get burned. You Have Melanin which protects you right. The problem is is that Melanin also blocks your your ability to produce vitamin D. But if you're out in the sun all the time you know in a place where you're getting radiation. It's not a problem. Well this is the very reason why people in places like Scotland and England have such pale skin exactly cloudy all the time so your body sort of develops its own ability to absorb more vitamins. Xactly so what happens when you take what happens when you take a person from from South Asia from India from Africa and you put them in Sweden or in Minnesota or in the UK and a place where you've radiation doesn't hit most of the year and you don't give them a supplement what happens is they become severely vitamin D deficient severely. And what happens when you take? You can throw this on the you can flip. Flip this over and say okay. What happens when you take the guy from the UK the Brit and put them in Australia like without any sunscreen without a hat? Yeah so I mean. Do you think that this could be a factor in why so? Many African Americans are getting hit so far. So here's the thing so African Americans. There's lots of African Americans are are are in the United States. There's been studies. African Americans are severely deficient there twenty eight times more deficient in vitamin D than than Caucasians. And it's it's it's because it's because they have darker skin and they're not getting an upset because people stay inside more people. Stay inside you know. It's not it's not like the old days when we were out. Hunter Gatherer and out in the sun all the time where we're inside all the time we're in school. We're working officer cubicle So the CDC. Obviously there's been studies showing that African Americans are more hit but they didn't really correct for tons of lake other factors. 'cause socioeconomic status is important hell other health factors you know and But there was a big city just released not long ago from from Lake the National Office of Statistics in Britain. Or something like that. I don't know what their official name was. But they released Some statistics from England and Wales and the I don't know what the correct name to say. I mean the blacks. They're basically living in England and Wales are four times more likely to die of cove nineteen than than whites when they when they adjusted all that data for socioeconomic status and other health factors. There were two times more likely to die so clearly socioeconomic status and other health factors are playing a role but through something else unidentified and I think it's Vitamin D. I think that you know. So you know the vitamin D like it hasn't the vitamin. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. Vitamin D is going to prevent you from getting covert nineteen or its treatment although I am involved in a clinical study where we're GONNA BE TESTING US. Very Small Open Arms Study. We can talk about but you know. I'm not a physician and medical doctor. I've never intimated anyone Said don't think I'm saying that I don't want people thinking it's a treatment I just want to. It's a hypothesis that needs to be tested and thankfully there are clinical. Trials randomized controls that are now ongoing and there some that are recruiting justice. Statistics that you've already listed about vitamin D and The people who had covert nineteen. Those are saying it's and also in Sweden there's a huge population of Somalis that have migrated to Sweden and they have been identified as being severely vitamin D deficient because a lot of the Somali off. The also like like autism rates are really high there. And there's this link between published golf that between Vitamin D and autism. But so there's been studies looking at vitamin D levels in the population. I mean they're are so deficient because you're taking again. You're taking someone WHO's supposed to be. Who's evolved to be getting a lot of Sun but not burn from it and then and then putting them in a place where they can't get any vitamin D from the sun and if they don't get a supplement like they're going to be deficient so much more they're like it's wreaking havoc in Sweden on this. Molly population is so logical. Yeah it's it's and then okay so elderly elderly are like insanely more deficient. Forgot the exact number obese also obese. People are like three times more likely to be but I mean deficient in the United States because vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin. And it's less. It's been shown to be fifty percent less bioavailable. So you have to after you make it in your skin it's stored in fat and released and when you know basically into the bloodstream and then it can gets converted into a hormone. This hormone regulates five percent more than five percent of the human protein encoded human genome. It's a lot of that's a it's a hormone like. Can you imagine just walking around without testosterone your man? That's a hormone. I mean like there's a lot of people that are deficient in Vitamin D. It's a steroid hormone. It gets converted into a hormone vitamin. You know it. It's important. It's really important so I went off tangent but anyways what can I ask you this boy? Where office what is what is happening to people when they are vitamin D. Like what's happening in Vitamin D deficient? What is happening in the body? That's causing their immune system this this hormone deficiency not having this vitamin d whether it's through sun exposure. There's lots of things I mean. It plays a key there's vitamin D RECEPTORS. On like your immune cells and the reason for that is because when the hormone vitamin D hormone buying stood receptor it activates all these genes the genes do stuff. That are you know regulate immune function you know. There's there's studies that have shown people and I love these studies because because they basically take away the People's complaints about you know there's lots of epidemiological studies showing that low. Vitamin D is associated with disease XYZ. And everyone's like well you know they're out in this. They're not in the sun as much so they're not as healthy. They're not as physically active. And not whatever even though those confounding factors are usually corrected for its old at the end of the association right. Everyone's like correlations station which is true. But sometimes you gotta look at the full body data. You know There are genetic polymorphism so so there are people that have variations in genes that cause them to genetically have lower vitamin D. And so this this is called Rondonia. Random Ization you can take a person. That's that has genetically like it's genetically low vitamin D. You're categorizing them based on their vitamin D levels. You're categorizing them. Based on their gene and those people are more likely to die from respiratory infections. Just based on that alone. So yeah that gene it's known to lower. It lowers vitamin leads to lower vitamin D levels. And so like those people are more likely to die from respiratory infections than people. That don't have that which it's a great way of randomized people by their genes as opposed to doing a randomized controlled trial. Those have been done as well. There was a study that was over. Twenty five randomized controlled trials. People that were given a vitamin. D Supplement varying doses. Either weekly or daily monthly. Didn't work They're the people with low baseline vitamin D level. So people that were like deficient. They were fifty percent less likely to have a respiratory tract infection if they are taking the vitamin D supplement over fifty percent actually and people that had already normal levels still had a protective effect. There's the ten percent less likely so even people that were already considered normal taking vitamin D supplements helped prevent the respiratory tract infection. You too much vitamin D. Yes you can. You can too much so right. So the upper tolerable upper intake has been set by the Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine to be four thousand. I use a day but there's been studies that have shown that you can pay people that have taken you know ten thousand. I use a day for for multiple years. Haven't had any hyper Kelsey or had problems but too much. Vitamin D can be toxic. It's not good to to take that It's best to like get vitamin D test. And I think that personally There has been a trend so people that have blood levels higher than sixty may have just a little bit higher calcium level but not much not like it's not like anything to be hugely concerned about but there are studies also showing that either vitamin K one. So there's been A Meta analysis looking at a twelve different studies or think where vitamin K one or vitamin K. Two were given and both of those improved bone mineral density and prevented any hyper. Kelsey me because when you take vitamin D absorb calcium better like something crazy. Like forty percent more dietary. Calcium is being absorbed so so the problem is is that calcium can easily form a precipitate in in general and particularly when phosphorus around and phosphorus is another thing vitamin D does increase the absorption of But again like I said you know it's like it's really hard to find any studies where vitamin DS causing. You know hyper Kelsey me. Unless it's like really really high dose for for a while I personally think taking the the vitamin K and what's interesting about the vitamin K one versus vitamin K? Two with without going into too much of a tangent is basically The the vitamin K one. Normally it goes to your liver and it's involved in blood coagulation. But when there's enough vitamin K one around it stays in. The periphery and it moves. Calcium prefer being bloodstream moves calcium out of the bloodstream and takes to places where it's supposed to go with the bones and the muscle Vitamin K two usually stays around. The perfect doesn't really go to deliver so it usually that's usually wedge just doing is moving calcium and bringing it to the bones and so. I Take I actually have K. One of my multi take. I also take a K. To Supplement and K four. I take like a couple times a week for K. one well the K. ones in my multi. So I don't vitamin K. One is really it's found in dark leafy Greens so I get a lot of those as well. So I'm getting a lot of k. One Vitamin K two is not as it's not as readily found in like the Western. I mean it's like the food that's highest in is that fermented sweeping Naito but it's like small clients and like did you ever get concerned from the high volume of leafy Greens. Do you ever get conservative. Oscillates or getting kidney-stones or anything along those lines now? I like the few studies that I've seen and people that are like doing insane juicing and they're already like messed up you know so. I'm not concerned at all like even the oxalate oscillates. Actually I don't want to go into this but so yeah no. I don't consider vitamin D. Thing is so important like the the the reason. There's a big reason. I think that vitamin D is so important for the lung function and the respiratory function. But what's really interesting is that you know the the very receptor that this star. Kofi virus binds to to gain entry into the cell. It's called as to that. Very receptor plays a really important role in preventing lung damage and and basically in preventing acute lung injury preventing acute respiratory distress syndrome yards. And what's been shown with SARS? Cov One is that Khazar also binds to that receptor. Ace Chew it's called. Tau Gets into the cell. Just like the SARS co two. When when it binds the receptor lake attached through this weird endo psychosis mechanism it takes the receptor in and decreases the receptor called down regulates down regulates receptors. You end up having less as to which causes like can cause to be your lung injury not having the as it plays a big role in protecting that's been shown on multiple studies like so. The SARS Cov virus does that. It's thought the SARS cope to also does it because it goes for the same enters through the same receptor and it's been shown that like if you for example if you give mice. Leipzig polysaccharide or something. That's going to cause lung injury. And then you give them vitamin D. So the lung injury itself also causes the ace two receptor to decrease and so this vicious cycle of like making the damage worse but if you give my Spiderman D. before that happens the receptor increases and it protects them from the lung injury but you give vitamin D to control mice. That don't have the lung injury. It doesn't do anything to the as two receptor levels so it's not like full stop. It's not like you know drugs. The way drugs are designed. They like they target a certain molecule and the boom they do their thing they either increase or decrease it a Lotta Times with like hormones. Vitamins things like that. They're they maintain homeo- homeostasis what I mean to say so when when Shit Goes Wrong. They fix it. They're not just like boom full. Stop going to like increase. Something when everything's normal so and that's important because there have been some concern about taking vitamin D increasing the as two receptor. And there's another study that was with hypertensive rats where the hypertension caused as to to go down and that makes it makes all sorts of problems. It also causes like kidney problems and all sorts of things right but but the vitamin D. Increase the as two but only in the hypertensive rats not in the normal control rats again so you know and then there was another study. That was like some other messed up. Diabetic animal model where the Vitamin D actually didn't increase as two receptor but it increased. What's called soluble as to which is in like it's in the periphery and that actually potentially could bind SARS Kofu virus and prevent it from. It's like sequestering it preventing it from entering the cell. That's actually being explored as a potential therapeutic. So the bottom line here is that sometimes you'll hear this as two receptor and that's how the virus gets in and it's like. I don't want that. I want less than that. Because that's how the virus gets in but like like biology is always way more complicated than just a simple taking it out of a big picture right. You know so like the ace two receptor as to is part of the Reenen Andrew Johnson. This it plays a huge role in inflammation. It's also like when you when you decrease as to all these signal signaling cascades happen it's like as choose important for producing pro inflammatory cytokines at the end of the day without getting into all the stuff specifics. So it causes massive inflammation to have a decrease it it basically causes acute lung injury it exacerbates it. I mean it's crazy so I really I just I I really Q- Imagine fight. Him indeed really did help like if there was something that could be given along with other stuff from desert or whatever whatever. It's going to be the stuff that we identify but like vitamin D so so cheap. It's so easy. And so many people are deficient and insufficient. You know like so. Yes as you mentioned there is you. Don't want to take too much vitamin D. You don't WanNa like you know overdose on it but I think in the short term You know particularly like in the short term and particularly patient people that have already been infected. You know it may be wise to to try giving your patient like if you're a physician Dealing with this may maybe wise to try to see their vitamin D levels and perhaps give them some. You know this being explored pup I mean. Is this something that people are talking about publicly. All I'm hearing is drugs and possible drug remedies potential vaccine. They're working on the future. I'm not hearing anything about methods. Nutrition that boost your immune system. This is one of the reasons why I really WanNa talk to you right now. Yeah let's definitely talk more. There are yes it is so there are clinical studies unfortunately not a ton of them in the United States that are looking randomized controlled. Trials looking at vitamin D the effects of Vitamin D on already patients with Kobe. Nineteen which what would be great is like giving them to like first responders or health care workers and seeing like how does it how does it? What role does it play in prevention? Because that's really the easiest thing right. I'm involved a friend of Mine Dr Eric Gordon He. He's put together so I kind of with his help. I've helped him design a open arm. Trial very small forty patients where were Or He is going to be giving them fifty thousand us. Every five days of vitamin D says a weekly does Because a lot of times these people are severely deficient and so you want to give them a higher dose you know and and for doing doing fifty thousand. I use weekly. Isn't you know something that's necessarily going to be toxic or anything like that And then we're going to you know doing some other things vitamin C three grams three times. A day and then vitamin B. One talk about that Simon as well but so yeah there are. I think there's like open label tribal kinda start. It's like if you if you see something. Plus we're doing like kitchen sink right. We got this this and this so I think vitamin D really is the is the star you know. I think that potentially you know I think it really should be explored I think it has huge potential has to be shown like this isn't something that people can take it home and think I'm protected. That is not the case. We don't know that there's no data showing that but I think it has huge potential. You know so. How would one do a randomized control study on vitamin D and people that have Cova Nineteen? It seems like well they're going to. They're going to in addition to standard of care so it's basically whatever the standard of care is and that's that's what you is happening at the one hundred and hospital in New Jersey as you said it seems like it was really critical is getting into people before they get it. Yeah I would love to see that study done. Anyone can do that. Study amazing that would be because that would be like to nurses get it first responders. Yeah worker just get the information out there and have nurse or nurses and first responders take it. I mean you know. Vitamin D is something again. Like seventy percent of the. Us population has insufficient levels. You know it's a crazy number. It is generally safe to take like like four thousand. I use a day. It is five I am but for thousands of the tha the the what the indicated as the tolerable upper intake. So why do you take five? I'm just taking five thousand right now. Because that's like the I could buy the five was like I didn't take two pills of the two thousand. That's me too. Got One piltz five right well so I had my my levels measured literally like I want to go to quest quest. Labs like a month before. All this lockdown happened so I got my data back pretty pretty recent and I still hover around fifty nanograms per mille. Even though before I was taking four thousand generally speaking one thousand us will raise your blood levels by about five nanograms per meal and there are people with different variations in genes that are related to vitamin D metabolism where they have lower levels and they need a higher dose. The only way you're going to know that is of course measuring your vitamin D levels multiple times and then potentially even doing like a genetic analysis you know as well but you'd have to measure levels that's the only way to know of course right now you can't go to. It's like hard to do any of that. I mean the things that early moronic. Yeah but when you need. It put the Vitamin D. I mean I'm just so like I just I have so much I have high hopes for you know and maybe maybe I'm enthusiast with it you know I do like. I've studied vitamin D so much. I got two publications on it. I certainly like you know you so you know there take that with a grain of salt as well but I think the data strong. I really think the data's I think it's mounting data and I think that eventually something will come out and it's going to just like the randomized controlled trials showing that protects against respiratory tract infections push. Everyone wants randomized controlled. Trials like no one wants to believe anything. It's a randomized trial. I'm amazed that the number of people that are deficient. It's so stunning. And when you point out the number of people that are deficient actually wind up having Severe Kovic. Nineteen problems right. Yeah I know stunning like some of those numbers like the missing link. It's like it's right there. I think that's a really good hypothesis. I do think it's a really good hypothesis. I WANNA believe it because it's easy it's safe and I think people need vitamin D. Anyways I mean you know so so of course I want to believe it. You know but like there. Was this interesting study. Where African Americans who are very deficient in vitamin D? They were given a vitamin D supplement. For like a month and it decreased their genetic age by like two years. Yeah so that's a per month something like a month. I think yeah in a month. They decrease their genetic age. Don't hold me to the month. May Give me some month or two months but I think it was a month most most remote. So that's crazy. He's about a month. Yeah so yeah. By one point eight years so it's indicative of their suffering from this vitamin D deficiency. This alleviates that suffering and then puts the body and homies hormone. It's changing five percent human genome. That's alive it's a lot. Yeah it's crazy number when you think about it is. It's not just a vitamin hormone super vitamin. Can you imagine what happens when you go into menopause? Well you're not making your estrogen stuff goes wrong. I mean it's a hormone like estimate. Estrogen hormone you know. Just hostile owns a hormone hormone. It's it's it's important so that's if you have the Doctor Rhonda Patrick Pyramid supplementation for preventative. Symptoms of one thousand nine preventative measures dealing with Cova. Nine that's your brace number one. I Take Vitamin D. I certainly don't know if it's GONNA prevent covert nineteen hoping it does get hoping it was but I'm even saying preventative. Giving your body healthy totally overnight. I mean my Moscow. Got My whole family. Everyone's on the routine. Vitamin D is like the most important. So that's the foundations vitamin D. Right now yeah I mean it. I'm always trying to get them to have that but like it's easier to convince when people are scared people are more likely to make change. You can't like if something they have to be motivated to make change themselves or just otherwise. It doesn't work you know so. I think that in this case people are motivated ESP- especially people in my parents generation. That are older. Because they're they're more scared. They're more scared that they could be affected by a severe case of this right so so I think that's. That's certainly an issue. Yeah I I mentioned. I'm drinking vitamin C. Water It's funny because I probably got like a thousand questions about by see in the past month to month and a half or whatever and we kind of like my team and I just dove in and put together an article released podcast on it A video where. We're just kinda covered everything I mean. I can't believe how many studies I read on Vitamin Hundred Ninety references in article. Twenty eight page article on on our website but vitamin C.'s. Interesting too I mean I. Don't I certainly the interesting thing about vitamin C? Is You know there? There's oral intravenous. Vitamin C and intravenous. Vitamin C is. What's seems to be really relevant right now but I think the most interesting thing that I learned really had to do with the the pharmacokinetics which is basically like how much vitamin C. Raises your plasma levels and like is you know. Is there a saturation point? Where you can eat? You know twenty grams of vitamin C but still only get to this certain point then versus what you do if you like your you know injected into your veins right intravenously. So with interesting. Is that most people that are eating. Let's say that people are just eating like fi somewhere between five to nine servings of vegetables or fruit today those people have anywhere between like seventy to eighty micro mole micro moles of Vitamin C. Like per leader so it's micro moles per liter In their blood if you take like two hundred milligrams supplement you only raise your levels to like ninety so it's not much over that lake baseline most most people that aren't eating? That many many servings probably have around fifty which is could still considered normal. Fifty micro moles or micro molar. And then what's interesting? Is that Lake but those levels you take you take two hundred two hundred milligrams. It's that doesn't do much if you take a gram it can raise you up to like hundred and thirty or something if you take. Three grams can raise two two hundred twenty. And that's like the maximum level you can get from oral supplementation. Two hundred and twenty micro moles. That's big that's a big difference sooner. Twenty versus like fifty so three grams three grams. But here's the other interesting thing. Is that if you don't take it multiple times throughout the day joint. Get once you'll peak at around five hours after. I think there's a really nice graph on on my website and the topic shows this like you'll peak like five five hours after but then you go down steadily over twenty four hours. You're back to normal your baseline but if you take it like you know four times a day you can stay at two hundred and twenty but like the whole time and and the reason that's important is because a lot of studies looking at oral vitamin C consumption and like for for instance. The common cold incidence. The common cold really depend like there's huge variations and the results and it all really seems to come down to dose like it really does and when you know the dose and how it's changing your blood levels you're only taking two hundred milligrams which some studies are doing. It's barely doing anything over your baseline you know so I found that really interesting. And then the intravenous vitamin C you can you. Can you can Mac so far that like the maximum? I've seen measured is like seventy times that your blood can get seventy times two hundred eighteen thousand or seventeen thousand or something so obvious far more effective. Oh it totally overcomes all those like saturated mechanisms and it's not only more effective. It's a completely different game so going to pause what what does D recommend for intravenous vitamin C. Yeah for Inter Jamie. Can you pull up my fitness dot com? And there's vitamin C. topic page so that way. I can answer that question better Just put a graph. If you just like scroll to the graph. There's like all this is on your website which tell everybody foundmyfitness.com COM Vitamin C. Or a page at the PODCAST. But Scroll back up to the to the main home. Yeah topics. Click on topics there. We go vitamin C. Somewhere bottom there. We go okay. There's a dishes. Look for the figure. Scroll you'll see it okay. There it goes. Is there any way I can make the yeah? The bottom was honesty. That's the intravenous okay. So there we go so this is intravenous dose so you. I want to get at least ten grams so you can see. Ten grams is like in. Ten grams is ten thousand milligrams. Yeah ten grams of ten thousand milligrams. So that's that's about ten grams. That's what I've done in the past. But what's interesting is when you get above newsletter it. My newsletter is great. I sure of announcements there is commentary and stuff. I'm scared published on the website. I don't want to hear all the crap anyways what he's scared of our now just like you know. I'm not scared I guess throng word I just want to deal with it. But that's the thing I don't deal with it. The intravenous. Vitamin C is a completely different game because it literally generates hydrogen peroxide like when you get like doses above you know when you start to Max out over that you know plasma level Two hundred and twenty micro Romo the vitamin C. itself so vitamin C kind of cycles between being a oxidized and reduced it's called D. Hydro scorebig acid d hydra scoreboard and then a scorebig asset to hydro scorebig. Acid is the oxidized form and hydrogen peroxide generated. Which is really interesting. Because it's one of the mechanisms by which At least it's thought that intravenous vitamin C kills cancer cells. It also has been shown to like kill viruses and stuff in a variety of different studies. But that's interesting because you're neutrophils. Neutrophils generate hydrogen peroxide so the the Internet Spiderman see is like generating hydrogen peroxide at the same time. It's also acting as an antioxidant for For Your own neutrophils. And that's been shown so people you know in clinical studies but also it's been shown that the hydroxide not damage the normal cells like Norma northey normal healthy people given intravenous vitamin C. It's generating heightened brookside but there's no oxidative damage happening in people's like lymphocytes and stuff so it's not like damaging your own self. And how often would you do this? If you could have studied the studies you know it depends on on what virus you're looking at like you know what? I mean for you personally for just for health benefits I walk. Take if you just had access to it every day. How often would you take? Intravenous Vitamin C. You know it's something because if you if you look at the graph it's kind of trains intravenous vitamin CS transient so it's like it's howling. It's not something that like necessarily needs to be done all the time. It's something like I was. I was interested in doing it like my mom was. My mom had just gotten sick and like common cold you know. She had like a runny nose and Steph and so I took her. We went to get the ABC and they did. It was ten ten grams that we did and I took it because I was like well. She's sick and I've been around her and I don't WanNa get sick so you know I thought why not try it and You know so. So you know the intravenous vitamin C. Maybe maybe there's a reason to do it but it's not something that I'm certain that people need to do on a daily basis. It's different than like vitamin C. You know normal vitamin C. You need you need to get it from your diet. It's important. It's important for normal. Immune cells normal immune function and that's been shown But I but I in Rub you but do you believe it's important to take it orally as well as IV. Ivy's is it's totally Ivy's totally different. The Ivy's really being used as a therapeutic treatment. It's it's it's it's a therapeutic treatment more you know the IB see where it's been shown to help with like for example it's at least in the hospitals in San Diego it's routinely used for Sepsis Like friends of mine. You know use use it for treating sepsis and there's been large randomized controlled trial showing that dramatically reduces mortality with Sepsis So that's an especially in combination with diamond as well like huge differences in in mortal people died from sepsis which is obviously very relevant now but hasn't been shown there are clinical studies that are ongoing right now some in China and some of the United States looking at potentially help treat Kogo nineteen associated pneumonia. That it'll be interesting to see the data from those trials whether or not there's going to be in effect. It's not known but the fact that it has been shown to treat to improve steps outcomes in multiple studies is also been shown. Obviously cancer is a big one like that was like you know. Linus Pauling was like deemed a nut like you know the Nobel prize winning chemist who basically is the vitamin C. Guy. Like he back in the seventies was like championing intravenous vitamin C for for cancer patients. Because he was claiming it was like you know curing them quote unquote carrying them. Wasn't quite doing not but it was like improving the outcomes of cancer patients. And there's all these studies from Mayo. Clinic came out and they were like nope doesn't do that turned out. They were using vitamin C. Which is like comparing apples to oranges? But now there's been so many studies a lot of Mayo Clinic up so they did. That's so crazy did yeah. Yeah I think that's who you would depend upon when you wanted to know. Is this Tag Mayo? Maybe they'd like they've definitely like gotten their gotten more on game since then. It didn't understand the difference. Yeah who knows back? Then I you know the pharmacokinetic studies that I referring to. I mean those aren't those are briefs Mark Levin at the NIH. He's real like he gets credit like he is really really involved in putting that out there like the difference between intravenous vitamin C and oral or apples and oranges completely different. Like and so until that was known. I guess maybe the Mayo Clinic that just thought. Oh Vitamin C. Vitamin C. You just contain Wurley and until like some of that data coming out. The pharmacy kinetic data where it was like. No it's not the same thing like you're talking about seventy times higher vitamin C. LEVELS IN THE PLASMA. Like you could never do that from oral like it's not the same at all and before that was known. I guess maybe that that's why I've even heard people dismiss vitamin C saying that. Your body absorbs a certain amount. It's wasted if you take more than you. So here's the thing like so so maximum bioavailability does occur at two hundred milligrams and once you go above that like when you if you take five hundred milligrams of vitamin C early. You start to excrete a lot in urine. But that doesn't if you look at the plasma levels you're still increasing them much higher excreting more to but you're you're increasing your plasma levels more so you so you take hundred. Milligrams you get your plasma levels of Vitamin C. Up to ninety you take five hundred. You may get a little bit more. You take three grams. You get it to to twenty. You'RE GONNA be paying a lot out but you've got to twenty right and so if you look at these. These common colds studies. There's like randomize analysis randomized control trials Manassas. They've shown that like two grams is better than one. Gram for for Reducing the duration of the common cold Two grams better than one and Children who are more have more robust and adults alike. Adults like it reduces the common cold. Two grams can do something like twenty research. Ration- belly twenty percent or something and it's emergency. That company got a lot of Shit for their claims. The I to Graham emergency doesn't have laughing so so then you a two hundred milligrams or so there you go you keep looking down. There's more Meta analysis another Meta analysis that looked at two hundred milligrams up to two hundred milligrams up to two grams and that study. Kinda just lump everything together rather than the other. Study like okay. What happens is two grams in one? They did all the analysis and that was great because they got to the bottom of it dose matters the study it was like oh it. It reduces the duration by like four percent. Basically nothing so so. There's like all this. There was all these conclusions. It doesn't do anything well. Yeah two hundred. Milligrams look at that. Graph does it doesn't shit to your plasma levels like you're still at baseline so I think that people designing clinical studies like they need that needs to be in their mind before they design their trial. Okay what am I trying to measure here like I want to get? I need to like. I need a measurable like I need something to measure. And you've got to change right to get an outcome like if you want your trying to see what effect vitamin C has on whatever outcome. You'RE GONNA WANNA wait ray someone's plasma levels right so I guess it's good at the end of the day to know that two hundred milligrams doesn't do anything because then you go okay. Well two hundred milligrams doesn't do anything but it's also good to know that. Oh wait I take a higher dose. There isn't effect. So you know making this general statement. Oh Vitamin C. Supplementation doesn't do. Anything is not necessarily accurate in some respects. Yeah two hundred milligrams. It doesn't do much for the common cold but when you take two grams it can help and also other studies have shown that prophylactically you slightly better than like therapeutic like after the onset of symptoms. So if you do it like before symptoms like there's a better outcome as well so I mean that's all kinds of interesting so for you personally. If you had the option would you do it once a week? Iv I'm it's pretty interesting I've like I was doing it. I was actually doing it once a week before plano. Once a week is enough totally. I don't even know if it's necessary honestly on to be honest because again. It's a therapeutic treatment. I will say this like my one of my friends. She's a she's an MD and she has reactive. Airways there's interesting studies that have shown that intravenous vitamin C is like dramatically reducing inflammation as well. It's doing all kinds of crazy things but her cough and it was very transient. It only happened like while the vitamin C was high in her plasma. She's got this crazy Commun- you'd think she'd had co like. It's just like an constant nagging cough. You know that it completely one hundred percent one away I noticed it and she lick. My friend is a little bit. You know she's a little bit of a skeptic when it comes to vitamins or anything like that you know so I wasn't GonNa say anything because her and I have gone in so many debates about it so But she said something and I was just like you know I'm so glad. And so she now. She's wanting to do it like she's wanting to do like you know once a month at least so So I thought that was interesting again. I don't know that the intravenous vitamin C. is necessary. There's also interesting effects on like fat. Oxidation legal affects fat oxidation. Because it's important for carnitine which is an necessary for oxidizing fat like there's been clinical studies where people are like burning fat when they're exercising if they have vitamin C if they have low bottom in sea levels or not like burns much fat. It's because it's the CARNITINE. I thought that was really interesting. I didn't know anything about that. So we've been doing intravenous vitamin C. And Glutathione and a bunch of other stuff zinc once a week. That's we've been okay. Yeah another one. That's really important for immune function as well. An elderly people are more sink. Deficiencies not really common in the US. Most is found in really high noise tres. But not a lot of people oyster that meat poultry. You know if you if you eat enough of that. You should be getting enough thing. Overturns Vegetarians do they? They are more prone to zinc deficiency and in fact because the zinc is bound to Fi- tate. It's less bioavailable when they need to like eat like up to three times more. Rda needs to be like almost three times as high for them or they can just supplement which. I know a lot of Vegetarian. Do but yeah but zinc zinc's really important for function like there's been studies where they've depleted healthy people of zinc just transient and Like t cell function lake is all messed up so at lake totally messes the immune system up Randomized controlled trial showing the zinc zinc acetate or zinc glue. Khanate like lozenges They can Dramatically lower the duration of common cold is Acetate or glutamate which one superior so there was like. It was trending. That acetate was better. Trending meaning was nonsignificant Although it was like forty percent or twenty eight percent. I don't like I to me. Lowering and lowering the duration of the common cold by forty percent versus lowering it by twenty eight percent. I guess it was significant for whatever reason so there. It's the study concluded that they're both the same. Seems as though Acetate. Slightly better Baby slightly better But you know I am. Taking zinc is also a positive ion. So you need as INC for to help get in to cells So like course flavonoids. Quercetin quercetin found in lake apples onions. Buckwheat tease which is what I drink but you can supplement with which I also supplement as well. It's Questions interesting because a four. It's also been identified to have activity against SARS cove one antiviral activity against harsh cope one neutral properties as well. I don't know wrong. Has Emergency confusing it with something? It's got thin Olympic properties. Which means it can. It's been shown it's been identified as a possible compound that can clear out sin senescent cells. Which are those cells that are you know they keep with age? And they're basically like they're not dead but they are just like not really functioning and their secreting their secreting cytokines and things that age nearby cells. I always like to think of like as mentioning to Jamie that Maybe forty two next month and so yeah I have some great grey hairs and it's funny how you'll get one gray hair. And the other Gra. Here's a cluster around that one clustering and I always think of like because their cellular. Senescence happens in the MELENA sites. The are responsible for pigment. Say I always think about. Oh the senescent. Milan is creating all this pro inflammatory stuff. That's now accelerating the age my other nearby hair follicle causing them to anyways. Quercetin identified to clear away. So that's kind of cool for aging freighter hairs and I'll just for aging. That's just my lake and analogy for people to understand why senescent cells are bad because they leg age other nearby cells by secreting. All this stuff pro inflammatory things I forgot to ask you about vitamin D deficiency is red. Light therapy what would that have to do with vitamin D? I don't know. Do you know about these red light machines that people stand in front of the photo. Bottom photo bio modulation. Does that have any effect on vitamin D? That's not you know different. Yeah Yeah and I think that that itself it. It's an interesting field I would say that it's the marketings got a little head of a science for that but I do think that there's there's promised particularly for some Treatments you know there. There are some claims out there that are Sort of being backed up by very poorly done studies but I think I think there's some promise out there for it just makes you feel does it. Yeah it's interesting. I've been doing it I try. I wanted to do it before I even talked about it for months solid and I'd do it basically four or five days a week and I just. I don't know it's hard to tell because I do so much shit do you. Yes that makes you feel good every day every day five days a week and doing seven days a week. One hundred eighty degrees for twenty five minutes dude. I do one hundred and eighty degrees for twenty five minutes. Who'd unless it's one hundred and ninety one hundred eighty eight then? I'll do twenty but yeah I do twenty five at one hundred and eighty so seems to me. The sweet spot. You know. I've been doing it every single day of the quarantine because I have a son in my house. Do you have on in your house. We were in our office just home off. It's like it's like well. It's not in our home but it's yeah just next door so we've got that literally you're not gonNA believe this like like three hours before shelter in place was putting putting California. I mean I couldn't believe it. Well we we had ours done just a few months before I mean it was just. I was thinking God if we didn't have this in the house and you couldn't go anywhere. Luckily we have one here so I could use the one this year. But it's a godsend manages. Everything's a game changer. It's a game changer. And I've been doing so I haven't had a warm shower sense since the shelter in place since I got my I I. It's amazing like I do. I don't want to make people feel bad. Look I went a long time without Asana. I know what it's like. I was doing hot baths and we can talk about. It is but there is something about the sauna and the cold bath the culture. Sorry the cold shower that is just it is game like I'm so much more relaxed and this is like I think I've told you the story. The whole reason I got interested in the sauna was because I was graduate school doing it like every day and I was like this is amazing. I am so much less stressed. I am like calmer more relaxing. I'm your something's happening so I was like into the not. Even all the muscle and all the cardiovascular mimics cardiovascular exercise really has a big difference in my cardiovascular activity it's been shown to New People. There's a study this was I think very loukine. And WHO's a friend of mine? Just he's like the best the leader and Santa Research and Finland. He published a study where they looked at Cardiorespiratory fitness and Cardio I think Cardi other cardiovascular disease risk markers in people that were physically fit physics. Sorry physically active plus the sauna or just physically active. So so phys ed just on a alone. So physical activity was like the king so like if you compare physical activity alone to Sano alone. Physical activities the best improving cardiovascular health saunas also good sauna and physical activity together. We're better than the physical activity alone which I was like yet. That's what you want. I don't remember that was like you're you're asking me like six months ago or more but that's what you want right like you want like you like. I'm already physically active. You're more physically active than me. And so but that's what you want is like the combination makes a big difference. Once I started doing during the lockdown one of the things I noticed the runs that do the last hill is fucking brutal and I always finish on this last hill but now I've been able to run that last hill the last hill. It's like a market difference when I hit the hill. I'm like wow. This is crazy either. I'm getting better shape and I know I am for sure but it's also I gotta think the Sauna has a big impact because it feels like I'm on a drug. It feels like I'm on. I don't know what he feels like. But I would imagine it would feel something like this increased. Cardiovascular benefit is very noticeable totally totally. I mean there's been some small studies looking at. You're talking about performance enhancements. There's been some small studies showing that particularly with endurance. That there is a performance enhancement. I think it was cycler. Maybe it was running running and cycling. Never measured your heart rate during it so yes. So here's the thing with that like at first. I was like terrified to do that. Because I didn't want to ruin my apple watch you like ruined her and like Kevin Kevin Rose was like no. Just put your hand on. I do all the time and like like he's the Tech Guy. So I'm like Kevin Rose tells me I can take my Apple Watch hot frigging. Casanova do it right so you know my heart rate it it can get up to like one twenty but the thing is is that there is adaptation. That happens. So you're basically like you. You're you're becoming adopted and so your heart rate doesn't increase as much like over time and I'll be I'll be honest. I stopped wearing my watching there so not measuring my heart rate anymore. Together whoops trap. The trap was no problem at all. Yeah The H. O. P. One I'll have one sent to you all right there. One of the sponsors the podcast but I love it. I would love to have something to measure it without having to take my watching there because I don't like setting like it's the measures it really well and it'll give you could actually market down as an activity and show you where your heart rate's. You had a mountain of data. It's really good cool. Yeah let me I also great for sleep shows. You like really accurate sleep. It actually has a sleep. Coach built in so it shows you. How much sleep you got. How much recovery. Recovery's out and what you need and it'll even tell you you know. Hey you should go to bed since you beginning up at six o'clock in the morning you should by ten tonight Nice. Have you noticed in effect? So I've been doing this on a everyday starting as a week because I would do it every day but I got to have more time with my son but have you noticed an effect on your sleep at all relaxed deal. You need more sleep like you know like when you're working out hard like sometimes require lake more more sleep. Yeah yeah boy when I do squats for sure anytime. We do lunges and squats heavy leg days. I'm Zombie for two days. And like if I have a particularly intellectually challenging podcast. I'll skip leg days because I know I'm just going to be too stupid. I've done it before. Coming to my. I can't form weird's what's not if you see what I'm doing this weird. There is a study that linked on there was a link between like leg strength and cognitive function. As very strong like the more strength you had like the improve. It was like some kind of crazy number two. Yeah it just makes sense that if you have more legs strength that means you're doing more activity that means you get more blood flow that means you. Everything's probably because it's such an enormous part of your body when you look at your musculature. The large percentage of it is from the waist down. And when I do When I'm doing legwork like doing most of what I'm doing is kettlebells but I'm doing lunges and presses squats and all these different things with heavy kettlebells. So it's like a lot of weight that your muscles are pushing. Dan Is always trying to get me to do squats. Like I don't know what backing when I was in Grad School is doing squads and I was using the stuff and then I was doing. I guess what are they called Lake presses? Yeah and I like injured myself and in this Scottish Cup. What's the other one that's like Skydeck? There's another atticus is a nerve that comes from your is like right here. Yes well you know what from though. I don't know what I I don't know what it is calling bull SCIATICA. Most of the time. What you're getting is your lower back. You're having your disks or protruding and your disk herniation of the disc or if you have a bulging disc it's pushing against your nerve and that's sending that pain down usually your but in India back your leg in along those lines right. Is that what you were getting paid? Only it doesn't go into my leg. It's just like this like right. Yeah Yeah Yeah that's it. That's a lot of times you think it's that area but it's not it's your back and it's your back with the disc pushing into the nerves. Have you had an MRI? Now you should have an MRI. Because I'm here to squat. Looks like every time I do that I get a flare up and it's like I'm sure amount. Well there's other things you can do to strengthen that area but first of all there's a machine called reverse hyper it's fantastic. We're I hyper out outside. I'll show it to you but it was created by this guy. Louis Simmons from Westside Barbell. He's a he's a genius he's given US A. He gave us new platform to. It's amazing to what does that think call. Jamie it belt. Squat Belt Squat. I love this thing because you wear a belt and the wait is actually pull the weight behind you. I'll show how how it works before but you're on this platform and all the weight is on this belt instead of on your shoulders so you can have like two hundred and fifty pounds or whatever it is but it's all being carried see. That's that's the thing right there the machine but that's yeah that's similar to what we have but the machine that we have is a little bit more complicated but the point is this guy comes out in pictures of females doing only guerrillas big giant youth. But the the reverse hyper the reason why it's so special is forget about this. For a second hand there's a girl using that That is more primitive version. The one that we have out there the new one that Westside Barbell Cintos is just a cable to come to the floor and the weights are actually behind you and it carries you carrying all the weight on your hips with strengthens the legs without putting a load on the back. Which is fantastic. I like that for that. So you can get all the legwork. You get from squats. But you don't get the pressure on the disks and then the reverse hyper is machine that he actually invented Lou. Simmons invented it because he had a herniated disk and the doctors are telling them. Hey we have to operate on you because you have this compressed disk and so he's a very smart guy and he knows so much about physical fitness and weight training hit. That's Louis Right. There he came up with this machine so he said well listen if if something compressed something can decompress it so he came up with this machine. This machine reverse hyper does on the lift. Its strengthening the lower back muscles. But then as you drop it down it's swings low and it actively de compresses of your disks. Wow be so scared that's GonNa aggravate you. Trust me first of all you can do it with no wait the first you can do it at first with no wait. And that's a lot people are when I introduce people to have. I do no wait but for me. It's been a giant game changer. So I do that. And then there's another thing by teeter teeter makes his decompression decks. It's called the DAX ex and from that you hang from the waist you like strap your I have that outside as well you strap your ankles into it and you hang from the ways. And it just all your. That's there so with that. That lady right there in that image. She's holding onto those handles. And that's how you get yourself down but once you get yourself down you just relax and all of your weight other guys doing it. They're all your weight is decompressing the spine so it stretches a spine out decompress it and it gives you a lot of relief so between those two particular pieces of equipment the reverse hyper and this decks to which which I fucking love that thing yeah. Dax too and that's when I get home gym. Yeah that's made by teeter. Teeter has two things that are really cool. It has those inversion tables which are great for you. Know the same thing you're hanging by your ankles and it's decompressing spine but I actually prefer this product from them because this completely isolates lays the back and you're not pulling on your knees and your ankles when you're decompressing it's all just decompressing the back and also you can do leg extensions and a bunch of you see people doing dips and other exercises from the The teeter but it's a great machine and it's just really specifically good for back. Health lower back health decompressing in and even strengthening it. Because you can do those back extensions so you hook yourself into it and you just lift your scared to do. But it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be scared to do it. Because that's what's going to protect. That area was going to protect that areas muscle and strength and also flexibility. That would be just incredible guarantee you. It's GonNa work because I'm so like the whole time. I had a gym membership. Or It's been like on Pas but the whole reason my head one sonnet. I'm scared to do like I do free. Weights free weights. And I'll do that but like I'm just scared of machines that get you a trainer. That's what I need to need. Because so many people fucked themselves up trying to do things on their own did and now. I'm scared like this. I guarantee you. It's just poor form and all kinds of needs to do more like I for my my thing is like my jam is like endurance. Love going for runs and like you know I. It's like huge Laker. So that's the reason I do it like absolutely with with this shelter in place thing because I like to do outdoor runs and I don't have a treadmill or anything like that I mean it was like I finally got a jump rope and it came in right when the beaches opened up. But because I'm good at jumping rope and should have been doing that but I was on every day and doing you know doing so like I did some like ballet stuff you know but like I need to do resistance. Training like muscle. Mass is important for aging schorr density. It's also density right lifting. Weights increases bone density tendon strength so many different variables that are so huge because as your body gets older. Those are the things that go south yes and I look. I'M GOING TO BE FORTY TWO NEXT MONTH. So like fifty two so much make you feel better. Yeah you definitely like you're fit so I need to just can't I can't ever let it go? That's no and I like my diet. I dialed in and I definitely like do the running and the sauna but I need to be better about resistance training for sure used to do yoga but you know I became a mom. It's like I used to work out like you know twice a day twice a day I would do. I would do my yoga and ballet and then I would run now. It's like you know. Did you realize how much work being a mom was for? You did it. Oh no I haven't I mean it's ignorant it is I mean it's tons of work sane. Sometimes I like. It's like three o'clock in the afternoon. I'm like I never brushed my teeth. You know like I haven't showered in a couple of you know the sauna thing like I have to shower now but like before before I was doing this on every single day Yeah showers. I mean it's like naptime can get work done or take a shower with. Should I do. Yeah a lot of work to do no. Taro thankfully I have helped for my mom. My mom is like you know. She's Nanna so she. She helps out a lot so I can. I can actually get work done. It's hard you know being being a mom. That's you know I I have you know I I run a business and but I also like to be a really good mother. So it's like it's it's hard. It's very difficult It does help if you have some equipment in Your House. You know that certainly helps. Yes and that like we've been like leaning towards that and it's it's you know we're slowly getting to the point where we're going to have more and more where it's just like you have to have easy access. It has to be something you can just you know? Do you need to find a trainer? Just find someone that can. You can learn a lot online but you have access to resources. You really need to find someone who's willing to come and you live. You live in San Diego. It's an awesome place for fitness. I mean there's so many people down in San Diego that you could find great. Yeah Yeah and some. Gal Who's fucking jacked knows how to lift weights and then I'll inform them all about the sauna and tell them all benefits. Yes yeah for sure yeah. I'm sure they can get a lot of people. I'm sure someone listening to his right now is probably gonNA message and say I'll do it right. I'm your huckleberry. Hey what did to tell you this about the the I've been it's been like just having having the effect I think the first time I came on your podcast like many years. It's been it's been a while but I talked about this on. Here's Stanton Yeah. It was like what were wearing. Twenty twenty now smaller than that. The first time you came on so two thousand fourteen because I was still a post. Doc So yeah it doesn't fifteen. I stop. I cut that out like I finished my post doc so published couple studies so. I think it's two thousand fourteen but like the Sauna. It's just been like something I count on your podcast the first time when we talked about it and of course continue to publish videos and articles and stuff and I'm writing a review article for Peer Review Publication Right now but There's a woman who reached out to me. She's she was she done her. Think her PhD. Either Itchy I say psychology but she had done it with a guy interviewed on the podcast. Doctor Charles Raison. Who is he's the guy who showed that a single hyperthermic treatment which was with the device that raise the core body temperature like almost three degrees. Could have an antidepressant effect. Well she reached out to me and like the FDA shut that whole machine down like no. You can't use that for research anymore. Which kind of shut down the whole depression? You know research area so she basically she has gotten some Funding and she's. She's doing a pilot study with a new device. Which is something you can buy off Amazon where it's like a sauna your heads out but like it's like a tent on a tent. My wife had one of those before we had a sauna. Yeah so it's a little different but it's something that you know. She's got to prove that safe before like the FDA will allow to even like continue onto like Mesh to study how it affects depression. And so I've been able to you know help help. With connections I'd had helped fund new study. She's going to be doing where she's going to get depressed patients to basically be exposed to the sauna and it's like an intense like she's casse intense protocol where like she's like an hour long and they get really hot and people are giving them wet towels because like it's like it's like imagine being one hundred and forty degrees Fahrenheit so it's an infrared but they're in there for like an hour you know and they're getting they raise their core body temperature measuring directly. So but she's going to measure the effects on you know on depressed patients So it's really exciting. Because and they're going to do like a dose response where they're going to see how many the Charles Doctor Charles Raison showed one. Just one single session could result an antidepressant effect six weeks later. She's GonNa do. Try to do eight sessions like Mike where she can see if these guys of how much time. I think it's going to be once a week once a week for eight weeks in a what is the the methodology. What are they using? So okay were they. Using the reason on that I was telling you the same thing. So they're using that that's the song. So she right now she. Her name is Dr before where they were saying. They cut it. They wouldn't let him Jose. It was a device it was like this device that like basically is sort of like a far infrared thing. But it would it would raise your core body temperature Through infrared right. Oh so what does he difference. What difference when people ask me about in on his. So infrared Saunas the main difference between infrared SAUNAS. And like the regular dry as you and I use is that the the regular dry saunas are heating the ambient error rate and. That's then raising our core body temperature through that mechanism the infrared Saunas. They're like they're like changing electrons like they're like directly heating directly. Heating your body basically without having teeth outside air much. There have been some studies that have compared. I mean there's benefits with these infrared saunas in Japan. It's called way on therapy. It's far infrared. And they use it. It's been used to help even treat different. Cardiovascular diseases like it's showed to improve like corn like chronic heart failure or something like that I think so. There's there's benefits with these with the the infrared personally. There's I think there's a lot there's a lot stronger. There's much more research on. Nali drive on its but in Finland they take they take the a dry. Sauna has these hot rocks and they pour water on top of the hot rock and so it creates humidity right and so so. That's really a common like I went to Finland a few years ago visited Finland some other Saunas there in Finland. And so. That's a very common thing. I think the call it like I I first of all they call it sound sound and they call it talking Lual Lual or something where they make this team do you pour water on. Iraq's so are Saunas is like it's pretty small to two persons on and yes so I can get the humidity like pick up if I get up to fifty percent. I feel like I'm like br like I'm burning presently looking. Yeah so yeah. If I'm in a rush and I'm like you know I got things to do so I'm like pour the water on the rocks to like just get really feeling really hot But per my personal favorite is like a nice twenty five minute hundred eighty no no water just dry like I. I like that but I'm so accustomed to one eighty that I used one in Vegas and when I was there it was one sixty it was like. This is ridiculous I be here forever and so I just started pouring water on the on the thing. I got ten bottles of water and I'll just pour in bottles of water because it was just me and they're right and I got that fucker. It was like okay now. Now we're cooking sweating up a storm. It works. I mean like I said ours is really small and so like I mean you're breathing. It's like burning you. There's a direct formula two between the percentage of humidity and the increased temperature. The way it feels like it's at one eighty but you have ten percent humil- humidity is. I don't know what that formula is. Absolutely there's a formula in the studies in coming out of Finland Many of the people there are using are doing the the the humid- on us as well so I mean I guess they're called finish on us. Which means like they're using the the hot water and steam it would be amazing to have a sauna outside. Its right next to a frozen leg like the way they do. Oh Yeah to cut a hole in the lake and get the party so we did. I went I visited the Sauna Society and It was in November. It was cold and It's right on the lake. And so they have like the day I went. It was not coed day so The you know it's only women. Saunas that I went in there was like like sectioned off. But so you go and do these different. They have all these different types. And I don't remember. And they're like whipping each other with like Birchwood which ranches. Yeah the the Russians like to do that. They call it the BAGNA right the Russian by the beat each other with this these branches that are wet. So let me tell you my story anyway. Big Jump in the lake and they go back and they're doing this. So here's my. Did I ever tell you my crazy story story but finished cruiser stores so I have the different? He's a friend he's some of. Your friends are a little eccentric right. Well this guy he's got. He's got a huge property in the country and the woods like in Finland and like the first time I ever went camping and it was like snow camping. It was crazy. It was like the worst thing ever like. He had he had his. Do this like two tents and it was a conference that I gave a talk at and so there some people pay extra to like go to this event that that was after it so there was like thirty or so people there and they're all from all around the world. There's only like three Americans me Dan and some other guy four Americans I think but anyways it was my first time camping outside like not in like like I've been to yosemite a cabin sleep in a tent but so it wasn't a great experience because one there was. This guy snored all night too because it was snow camping. We had delayed. There was some weird they fire thing and he was. This guy was in the military and so he has this thing where like everyone had to wake up at. I forgot what it was every hour. Get past this issue and a big Walton. We were in a big. I don't know what it was called but I didn't sleep the whole night and it was awful but here's my saun experience so he doesn't believe in. You can't wear swimsuits or anything in this honor so you have to be like you have to wear no clothes or if you if you really wanna you could wear towel like if you were modest or whatever because to them. It's like no no big deal you just don't buy that game I know. They told me they told me. Oh no this is a sexual place. I'm like really really. I know so so only three people were towel me. Dan and this other American and so everyone was in there naked. Lots of like there weren't that many females but there were some from I don't know the UK or Germany. I know but they were all naked like it was like. I guess Europeans are like that you know like they are more used to it. Or that's what someone told me. I don't know what the what the case is but anyways I people coming up to me going. I love your podcast in this. I'm like it before like conference. And they were there and you think I'm going to be naked like in the song with somebody's like a fan in your face so anyways I'm in the sonnet everyone's naked. And then he the guy who was my friend. Okay he's still my friend but he's he's an interesting guy but he had like people come and started doing yoga so she's naked doing wonderful. Get like my my I finish on experience where it was like people are to open there really are when it comes to things like that if you want because he has get. Outta here. You're not staring at my junk. Yes so then. They were all jumping in the lake. After and I'm like I'm GonNa just sit on this padded with freezing out here in Finland in November. I'm not gonNA take my towel. Often jump in the lake like swimsuit. Why says who like what is the difference is zero difference in the benefits of it? He some game. It's a cultural thing. And also he claimed that there's like toxins being released from One of those assholes. Fuck off buddy. I got a swimsuit on and then okay. The Yoga was bad. It got worse then He. He had some whipping technique with the Birchwood and he. He wanted to demonstrate it so we had like one of the Britain girls like and she's lay. I mean it was just like to. Here's the here's the truth like I was hot as fuck right so I didn't care anymore like I cared about my talbot. I didn't care what was going on. I was trying not to look everyone you know. I didn't WanNa see like you know like duff. Will people get sexual too because it's hot and sweaty? And if this guy's like sounds like he's a little bit of a cult leader right like someone needs to be naked me that because he passed out like this flyer because it's like we were doing all these events you know. All these events were happening in this flyer passed out and it was like reading it and I was like since you have to. You can't wear any closer swimsuit or anything. I had packed my sons. I was like. Yeah where my students you can't tell people they can't wear clothes his own homes on. Yeah how convenient. But you could wear a towel sal Great thanks buddy. All that talks talked too soon as someone's talking about cleansing toxins like fuck off. It was like so put off with the toxins stuff. Like it's funny 'cause the sauna like that's like the one for years like all the benefits about were always about toxins right. They're always what are you talking about? Show me what you're saying when you're talking about talking about just regular sweat but it does actually you do. It doesn't have to be from. Sonic from exercise but you. Do you do sweat out certain compounds like aluminum leg. It's funny that you you can actually excrete certain compounds. Better from sweat than urine. That's another way of eliminating things yarn but Aluminum cadmium and. There's one other that I don't remember sweat. It's like the best way to get to get rid of the conversations you have with people that are into releasing toxins. It's like talk in Mumbo jumbo talk. Most of the time I try not. I'm trying not to judge like I really should judge but I have a hard time. Should when they started to go there. I'm like you should have a hard time and you should judge. I do but I try you. Let's just they say things that they don't really know what the fuck they're talking about and they say it was such authority and I've had those conversations in public saunas before to where people are people like they start getting into the toxins and the like. I'm just sitting there quiet and I'm just like okay. Let me start to tell you some benefits like some real benefits cardiovascular. Did you know that actually mimics exercise like literally like that's been shown it's been like compared like twenty five minutes in the Sauna twenty five minutes on a stationary bike? And same things are happening. You know like blood pressure goes down afterwards. Heart rate variability improves. Same things are happening. You'RE INCREASING PLASMA VOLUME HEART RATE Increases Court temperature increases. Right exercise is doing the same thing. That's the antidepressant effect like that. I feel from the Sauna and that Charles Raison published a doctor. Dr Mason will hopefully carry on the torch real and I think that there's there's potentially multiple mechanisms immune modulations also just the fact that like BDO F. You know there's a study showing that hot baths do increase. Pdf and be the enough pre brain. Drive neurotrophic factor. Which why would you think everybody would know what that means? I know I thought everyone that. Listen to your podcasts. That everyone millions of people do when you say it brain drive. Nf brain derive new trope factor. Yeah what's so amazing about this? Neurotrophic factor is that. It's always thought about in the context of like brain aging because it helps you grow new neurons neurogenesis it helps already existing neurons survive but there's studies now showing that it regulates was called Neuro plasticity. Which is like the ability like your brain. Your brain changes with the changing environment. But you haven't been able with depth to that right. Like children are really good at that like they have a lot of neural plasticity But neural plasticity is associated with depression. Like not like not being able like stressful conditions and stuff like that like not being able to adapt using like the best terms but neural plasticity. Something along those lines and so certain N. P. D. and F. Plays a role and be enough has been shown to be you know to increase with exercise and also with heat stress. I'm glad you brought up hot baths because that's something that I wanted to cover before we got off track. We'RE TALKING ABOUT SAUNA. When people that don't have access to a sauna how much benefit can they get out of a hotbed? I'm glad you brought that up because there was a you know a couple of things one there was a study that showed hot baths can have an antidepressant effect and these people were put in a hundred and four degrees. Fahrenheit bath where they were up to their shoulders for like twenty to thirty minutes. And the sham control was like a green light like so people thought they were getting a trend there getting some kind of green light therapy or whatever you know so. It was a placebo control because placebo fix definitely real particularly with depression. And it it it. It had a pretty powerful antidepressant effect very similar to Charles. Rozan study with the the hypothermic chamber thing when anti-depressants there's no real way to measure that they have this whole. Yeah I mean so there are some key. There's potential biomarkers being identified C reactive protein. Bean one inflammation inflammation plays A. There's a huge link now between the Immune System Chronic inflammation and depression brain function in general bring aging but inflammation. So I mean that's the. There's there's a push for a looking but not all depressed patients have it's like there's a subset of c reactive protein but yeah depressions measured. It's very much like a you know. Have someone so a subjective measurement would be a clinical clinical person like measuring whole battery of things they do. I forgot the name of the tests. But yeah that's that's the test so it's like basically a battery of feeling things. It's not like a hardcore biomarker. Which so badly needed but also been shown so he chalked proteins. Which do you like amazing? There's so many amazing things that heat shock proteins do. They've been shown to prevent muscle atrophy. And that's you know in the brain there so important like preventing proteins from aggregating the brain That's how I got in one of my first biological experiments ever because I was a chemistry major in college so doing all chemistry stuff organic chemistry chemistry but after I graduated. I went to work at the Silk Institute for Biological Sciences in the working in aging lab and One of the first experiments I had that I was doing like one of my first projects was we were taking the human amyloid Beta Gene and injecting them in these worms nematode worms. That only live like fourteen or fifteen days. And we're making them form amyloid plaques in their muscle so basically you you look at these little worms under a microscope. Only McAfee million half a millimeter. They move around and as they get older and they're aging they don't move as quickly slower a little more decrepit But anyways you give them this amyloid Beta and after like a couple of days. They become paralyzed where they'll like laying in their their little petri dish plate on the food. You're you're giving them and they kind of just move around just to feed their nose just moving around and so when we would give them tons of heat shock proteins. In addition to the amyloid totally reversed it like completely that they would move around and be young so anyways heat shock proteins play a in like neurodegenerative disease also some links to lake proving depression animal studies but To New Measure. He chugged versus. That's been done so the Sauna. I know of one study where people that sat in a hundred and sixty three degrees Fahrenheit. Sauna for thirty minutes had heat shock proteins their levels were fifty percent higher over baseline and which is great and not usually like animal studies. Show that they can. They can stay elevated forty eight hours after that. There's a hot bath style you where they also elevated wasn't quite as high but it was like you know forty or so percent higher than baseline levels and it was one hundred four degrees but this study instead of doing it from the shoulders down where I told you about. Depression was like only twenty thirty minutes. It was like from the waist down so they had to stay in there for an hour. It's like a Jacuzzi or you're sitting there from the waist down and like that's like saying in one hundred four. That's that's pretty hot. But he chalked proteins did increase. So I think you know for for people that don't have access to Asana some that Hot Baz absolutely are a good a modality for heat stress and I used it for a long like I said I just got us on like I've been I've made a career about talking about Saunas. You know and I just got one like last month so like like I understand what it's like to not have Asana Taft. He's hot baths but I also using the on us but right now it's like there's no jobs that are open so hot azer like the only the only really choice if you don't have the hot Donna and our homes on it. What About Coal Chuck Proteins? And the I mean how much difference between taking a really cold shower ice bath versus Kreil cryotherapy the place that I took you to. Yeah so I mean there's there's differences in I mean so it depends on how long you're staying in a cold water cold shower like actually being submerged from if you're making the ocean or something or lake and you're like from your shoulders down like that's probably much more powerful than just having the shower on but by the way the shower like some days. I'm like matter this. This is not cold at all. You know it's just so variable whereas you like southern southern California live on the border of Mexico yesterday so so so most of the time now show right after saw like my shower time now and so like I. It's I do about six minutes and it's so easy for me I totally have adapted and I'm not sure if I've just totally adapted or if it's just like my faucets isn't it just doesn't get cold out cold. I really doesn't Today I took a cold shower From home and my son is not there and I did just because I wanted to. Have the mood affects north and effort. And that's been shown to be increased And it was much colder but then again it was a different shower. I'm not sure if it's because I didn't have the hot before you know beforehand like the huffing hot and getting the cold shower like it just feels really shock but the culture shock. You asked me coach the that that hasn't really been measured in humans Is Measured Most? The time with culture is norepinephrine release and we're friend in plasma and there has been studies correlating nor up in plasma upon cold exposure norepinephrine release and plasma to In the brain where it's involved with like mood and focusing attention so there's been studies where like you do a two minute cry. Oh whatever the average temperature it's really cold minus two forty s Yeah and then that could be compared to like you know a longer. A longer duration degree I think fifty degree Fahrenheit water or something like that. I don't remember the exact time but but it is comparable but you have to stay in a longer duration so some people prefer ice baths. Some athletes prefer the ice bath versus cryotherapy. Even though it's probably more painful because it lasts a lot longer. Have you done those? I've done it. I've cry the so I've have you ever done the cold shower after your sauna. Yes do you like like it a lot like it particularly after hot? Yoga after after hot. Yoga is especially in the winter when it's actually cold the water's cold. That's what I love it. There's something mood enhancing. I mean these things also affect the immune system but also very relevant both cold and hot they both have been shown to increase lymphocyte numbers and also like other milot cells and stuff and people. But but like there's something like I've done the sauna and then gone into an ice bath and then you know it's just really hard. It's cold I mean you feel good but man you know. I think just like the guy's house I was doing and I was trying to impress them so you know I'm hardcore this but it was. It was pretty intense. I do I do want to get some kind of like they have those like ice baths that you can like regulate regulate the water temperature ones that you plug in. They're not ice baths Litas cooled like yeah. We wanted to get one here. We're probably GONNA wind up doing that. Get one here because showers and the shower Nickson as kind of useless to who uses the here. Jamie just me. You don't use. The Sauna is occasionally occasion. Yeah I also had a gym. I was going to you. Do use the that right. Yeah Yeah I use it. Every day I usually use it at home but sometimes I use it here when I like right after workouts like if I work out. I try to get a work here before. Know like before you podcast and time. It's an extra hour so I can get in the sauna. That's awesome. Yeah it makes a big difference for me but I also just might be a little too much before like I'm always trying to regulate how much activity I do with whether or not. I'm exhausted when I do podcast because I I used to do yoga and then I would come out. I would get out of Yoga at eleven or at ten thirty. I would do a podcast at twelve and I was like. Are they a better way to one? Because I'd just be so because ninety minute. Yoga classes in one hundred. Five degrees is fucking rough with intent. Is Rough Yeah? I've only done bickram a couple times. I would love to like do it more. I loved it I really loved it. I would wonder an I know. There's there's supposedly some sort of Harvard. Study that's ongoing right now measuring all sorts of markers in people that have done hot yoga and whether or not mimics heat shock proteins that are created in the sauna. Because the thing is like you are getting this incredible cardiovascular exercise your heart's beating like crazy you're not doing cardio per se but your heart rate goes get jacked because of the heat and the stress and then on top of that even though it's only one hundred five degrees your body is heating up. You're sweating up a storm in there. It gets I've taken some friends there that have never experienced it before in the fucking come on. Bro Yoga and then they get in there and then I look over at him. Fifteen minutes fucking. Hey and I'm like yeah. It is told you because you're doing like yoga. Even uncoupled from the heat stress like the hot yoga is also like it's pretty intense like holding those positions and stuff like your heart rate does start to elevate. It's like just from that alone adding on the sauna which makes moderate physical activity. That's been shown absolutely mimics it and then all the studies have shown that on top of that. I mean that's like it's it's super intense. It's the the really cool thing about and I want to get my mom. I think we move on to our home where it's not like the office like I want to people that are not people that are sedentary and people that are sedentary for whatever reason maybe they're sedentary because they're disabled or maybe they're sedentary because they've had a lifetime of being sedentary and it's it is just hard to get them motivated to go exercise like this sauna to me is like that's so important because it's giving these people are potential cardiovascular workout. No it is. That's been shown it's giving them a cardio vascular workout without having to force them to go for a run are going down a bike that people think like when you tell them go sit in the sauna. They think of a SPA like I wanna go do that. You get someone who's like like my mom. She's she said in Teri. She's not like physically active person and she needs to be but like the Sauna. That's that's Kinda my goal is to get are doing and we'll have to start slowly because you have to adapt the heat shock proteins. Help with as you the more the more time you're exposed to heat stress and the more adapted you are like the the heat shock proteins increased quicker so it's part of the adoption process as well of you know being able to handle the heat stress but like. I want to get her to do that. Because like any you know any cardiovascular improvements can help her moods can help her her. All cause mortality. That's been shown you know four to seven times a week. Forty forty percent. Lower all cause mortality Cardiovascular mortality fifty percent lower. You know so i. I think that's a really cool thing about the sauna is that you can get people that are disabled people. That can't go for a run. You know I mean I still think exercise I mean that's the best thing ever period for everything you know for everything it's just gonNA overall improve the way you age. And that's GonNa make you more robust and resilient to anything sauna to me is it it. There's so many benefits but one of the big ones is that muscles feel better. They feel looser. They're not as sore like when I have hard workouts and I get in the Sauna afterwards. I feel like my recovery's more rapid interesting. That's interesting. Yeah I because I don't do resistance. Training Shame on me. I don't I don't have that same perspective but it there there have been studies at least. We're localized he. On people. That had limb mobilized. I don't remember what it was but after a week People that had the heat treatment local heat treatment had almost forty percent less muscle atrophy and in and huge in animal studies. And like I remember. I shared this animal. Study an article. I wrote years years ago. Before the human said he came out and like critics. It's animals and you can't say does this and I would get on the mechanism and they showed it with heat shock proteins. And there's all no like and I was so happy when he said he came out. Because I was like told you told you motherfucker. Say She was just a few of those. Those guys that you just like you like. Maybe just I don't know like do a big comprehensive search the literature and understand things and don't have that exact said he just yet but like. I know that it's going to help with muscle atrophy. So people love to dismiss things. Don't they yes they really do even even if they're wrong they just love to like fixate on confirmation bias a little possible potential things. Yeah so just being open minded and going I think that happens a lot too with like social media because like for if I share one study I'll share like an epidemiological study and it's like it's twitter. You know I'm doing one hundred and forty carrier or whatever the chain I don't know what the characters are now but I'm doing a small number of characters and I'm just sharing one study and if it happens to be a non randomized controlled trial you know correlation doesn't you know doesn't causation. It's like sometimes I just share a story because one. I think it's interesting or too because I've read a bunch of you know evidence surrounding this topic. You know about all the other clinical evidence all the genetic have all the animal like an and so I have a knowledge base here and so I share a study that maybe isolated in and of itself not the strongest study. But you know it's like Chandler comments. I can't someone else. This strike up a conversation in a Porta potty because it affects me like I'm the kind of person where I like to make people happy like it. It bothers me when people are like unhappy. It bothers me when people like. Don't go on twitter period because most people are unhappy or youtube. Now I mean I guess that's not really the case I for me at least the bigger audience that for you for sure. I mean the bigger your audiences. The more you get that. This is what I try to explain to a friend of mine who is on the podcast who read the comments and I go juice have to stop and think okay even if just one percent of all of my people that go from instagram. Like if you're reading the INSTAGRAM COMMENTS. One percent are assholes just want which is probably really conservative right? He had a room full of people. There's one hundred people in the room. What are the odds was going to be an asshole? It's one hundred percent right that means there's ninety two thousand assholes that's only untenable. You can't manage that right ninety. Two thousand shitheads who have fast their whole life and they wanna just beer Gary Barrett. They WANNA shoot people down make people feel bad. And just yeah. It's not worth it. I don't and I feel for those people I I genuinely. Do I feel for people that are in that state where they realize they're not they're not happy they're not happy with their own performance not happy with their life? They'd probably not happy with the relationship or the job and they just want to spew nonsense negative garbage. Yeah I mean that's that's the problem with not being suspicious delicious yeah tool cliff twenty five milligrams all right. Thank go get some other flavors to the the problem with that is. You'll fixate on. The one person says the negative exactly. It's a natural human inclination and that fixation for me keeps me up at night. I lay down. It doesn't happen much anymore because I try not to read of guns much better. Do you know what I'm talking about. The early days of social media before he got a handle on it. I'd be like fuck this stress like so taxing you get into discussions with people are like what am I doing? I think it's important to be critical and get like you know. There's there are people that are really trying to make prove something. And there's there's all sorts of incentives for being hypercritical if you had rational people who are kind folks who have interesting viewpoints and they looked at something and they found something to be wrong with that and they handled it with grace and some sort of Monica of dignity and kindness. That'd be great. I mean there. Are Those people sure like if you were having a discussion with a good friend and the good friend was looking at something he said and said I disagree because of this look I have conversations with good friends all the time even on the podcast where I disagree with them but we handle it like friends may but that's the problem with twitter's it. You don't see that person you don't you don't know them you don't. WanNa please them. He just want to be mean you know. And that's what a lot of people are doing just getting their rocks off there and I feel like now for while during the pandemic when it started. In the lockdown started people were nicer. There was less social justice. Outrage was less but now it seems like as time's gone on people getting more frustrated and more desperate and more depressed because they're locked up it seems like it's ramped up its talk. This is unprecedented right. Being it is I I miss miss my life before the pandemic ms taking my son to the park and miss our our soccer classes and music classes. I miss it. It is hard. Kids are having drive by birthday parties. They drive by with fucking balloons yell at the window. Happy Birthday like fuck. And they're never GONNA forget this. Then they're going to get a weird. This is to do an alter their classrooms on ipads. This is so weird. See My son's at an age. Where he's this. He's not going to really remember. Well I mean depending I. I really think that I think things will start. We'll start to get better. Well it's the dozen. I'M GONNA move to place where it's better because I think the way this co- this state is handling in his fucking terrible. They're treating us like we're infants. Some of the list. They've given you a proven activities and Nana proven activities. That's highlighted for me because I don't know if you've seen having I didn't even know that pull pulled up Jamie there so fucking stupid because you gotta realize these people that are writing these lists. These are not experts. These are bureaucrats. These are politicians. These are people that really have no business telling you what to do and what not to do. They're fools but they're in a position to influence millions and millions of people so they have the ability to tell forty million people what they can and can't to make the largest secondary this look at this athletics badminton singles throwing a baseball softball. Bmx writing canoeing singles. Crabbing you know crabbing. You'll find crabs cycling exploring rock pools. Oh Can I can exploit rock pools you fucks gardening not in groups golf singles walking no cart. Why why can't I take my car? Who are you well? Hiking trails paths allowing distancing horseriding singles. Jogging running it gets gets grosser meditation. Oh you can do outdoor photography. I didn't know thought that GONNA kill everybody. What is what is what is the top of this. What this headline. What is this page outdoor activities? It gets worse? Kids scroll down. It gets so stupid towards the end. Soft Martial Arts Tai Chi Kung not in groups cheek hung they listed the martial arts like fuck off table tennis singles trail running trampolining. Oh can I get a trampoline? Thanks did know how about this one? Watch the sunrise or sunset. How about wash the car? Wash the car. Oh Great. That's something I thought. Rocks reform from the fucking sky. And I couldn't wash the car. Jesus Christ but that's what drives me bonkers in all cases you should only do these activities alone or with members of your household. Make sure you keep six feet of distance between you and those outside your household you fucking been doing comedy beds. Have you been? Were like start writing no no. I've written anything shed but I've been I've decided to just just except where this is and then when comedy clubs are about to open up then I'll start writing again but I'm just I mean just accepting where this is and I want to have an honest take on it. I don't WanNa be manufacturing a take. We're trying to come up with some sort of a hot take on how I feel but I wanna know how you feel about this and I really feel about. This is very different now versus the way it was in. March because in March I was concerned. I was like jeeze crisis. Could be terrible like we really have to stockpile food. We really have to make sure that we have water purification. We really have to be careful here. Now I'm like you gotta be careful. These fucking politicians. Now I'm in the place where you have to understand. These people people are starving. People don't have any money you're telling people can't go to work but you telling people that can go to work in some places like why is it okay to work at target but it's not okay to work in a family business. Why is it okay? Well let's let's figure out testing let's quarantine the people who are sick this strategy that you guys have you not adjusting adapting. You're not adjusting and adapting to the numbers mortality numbers too because their way lower than they were before push. Now we have this. Understanding of the ACE is symptomatic. People and how many people have tested positive? That are eysenck dramatic. It's off the charts. It somewhere in the range in in many studies seventy plus percent of people that getting contact with this are symptomatic test positive for the disease. That's crazy ASEM. Yes so that's the thing we gotta be careful about to be careful about forty fifty could be like. There's probably a range friends tire disease. It's out of their system. They never felt yeah. I have one friend who he did. He had tightness in his chest but he actually was in outside of Han in December so he was like got it at the time he just thought it was a little like whatever that's called tests. Yeah but it was mostly tightness. He said it wasn't like you know that's just crazy about this. It's so there's so many variables in terms of like how people how people are affected by it and what goes wrong. There are so many variables. Here's your your your genetics. There's immune system. How is your immune system shaped what your there's your diet that's included in your vitamin D status. You're you know there's there's you know the other interesting thing and and there's been no studies with SARS Cov too but there have been influenza studies showing that viral dose. It's really interesting studies. That have been done where I don't know who volunteers from these studies. But like sign me up to in. I want to be anyway. Louis Somehow get healthy people to do that and there's been these studies where people are like intranet inter nasal like they'll give them various tighter of influenza virus and they try the point of the study is to figure out what viral dose and they have some measurement like envy in tissue culture number or whatever and they found to make people have symptoms right and they found with influenza forgot which a or something I think one of the strains was like they could do a certain dose. I tend to the seven in Tissue Culture. Or whatever units were seventy percent of people would get like symptoms ranging from fever cough and all the influenza know flu symptoms but then when they went down to from ten to seven. Let's say they went down to ten to the five. Only ten percent of the people were getting so like. It's kind of interesting that viral does at least with influenza and there's actually been some other studies I think measles also that it is it is a thing not something that you wanna like. Go and experiment with yourself but you know that's another possibility right for sure we hear about nurses yes? They're getting way more sick right because there. I mean that could be one reason right there. Their actual job is to be around infected people in their intimating these people and their their h two can't practice getting writing their faces right but some of them. They have poor especially in the beginning. When you're seeing these people that were like using makeshift masks and jazz trying to horrible. Yeah I think with the masks you know for for people I mean reopening the economy and you know some places have been more successful you know even even Japan and stuff where you know the wearing the masks like the cloth. Mass doesn't do much to prevent you from breathing in maybe a respiratory droplet or something or aerosol that you know but it will prevent you from spreading it you know to to to a certain degree like. I get that people don't WanNa wear masks like it. Sucks like who you know who wants to wear a mask but maybe to open up the economy again like now? Maybe like everyone could wear a mask if they're going to be inside around a bunch of people either keeping the economy close keeping the economy close. I'll be willing to do. It's not gonNA be forever. It's not going to be forever because we're going to figure this stuff out. We are like it's already. We're already finding repurpose reputation. Monoclonal antibodies people working on. That's GONNA be coming soon. The monoclonal antibodies. So the whole point of that is that they're identifying antibodies that can neutralize the virus. And they're going to grow them and manufacture them and given people. It'll help treat eventually. They'll identify when that were kind of a time line. Do you think this. I think that I think things are going to think that these therapeutics can start the so like Jesse Beers already been identified and there may start to identify the ones like the pancreatic pancreatitis drug in Japan chemist. At something There's the Pepsi I mean there's a lot of different repurposing drugs that are being investigated You know and I think over the next couple of months and then general already. Doing one of these monoclonal antibodies. I think in the next couple of months We'll we'll have more therapeutics than we have Right now. At that that'll that'll make things. Less scary people will be less scared of getting sick because the have you know they'll have a better idea of. Oh we have some more. You know things that can therapeutically treat this successively. Hopefully people are going to start looking at the vitamin D. I really like I really hope that If not just I hope people are going to. You know take their vitamin D. Your doctor to take it. You know But Yeah I think then a couple of months. Can you wear a mask for a couple of months? And the. Here's why it's not gonNa work to just have the people that are vulnerable? Wear the mask because the cloth masks isn't going to prevent them from getting. You know aerosolize droppings. If you're spreading asymmetric which is that. It's been shown that you if you already some dramatic that CDC study. I mentioned a while ago. About how pre-symptomatic say symptomatic. After a week when they came back to measure the people again they found that out of the thirteen ten of them actually did get symptoms. The other three that were to matic had they were they were spreading. I'm sorry shedding as much virus That could make them. You know basically contagious and be able to transmit strain so the point is I think that I know. People don't wear mass. I have I have family members that like infringing their freedom you know and like it it does suck and I know people are were thing is like also children. I don't know how to tackle that issue because it's really hard. That's that seems a little more difficult but like adults you know you know. I think that if you're working when your your your restaurant back up your you know like that seems like a good compromise right. Doesn't the children with this disease because some children are getting sick? But it's a very small number but many children are getting in contact with his this disease and how many of them are a symptomatic but are spreading. So they've been. There have been quite a few studies looking at Children that are a symptomatic. Children that have mild symptoms and children that are symptomatic and So far so far the studies have shown For the most part that children even that are as symptomatic are shutting as much virus as both children that are symptomatic and adults. That are some dramatic meaning. They're like they're able to transmit it. They're shedding the virus. Right Sprinkler Systems. They are they're serling like I used to never get sick and then I became a mom and I think first of all the first year it hit me hard. Because I wasn't sleeping. You know because you have to like every three hours you gotta feed the baby giant. Factor immune system. Oh sleep is huge. We didn't talk about that. I know you've had walker on the hot item. I mean he's talked about it before and lots of other. Researchers have studied. This sleep is so important for immune function so important. I but I mean we're all not no one's working so they're probably getting more sleep now but they're also stressed out and they have anxiety particularly their bills are piling up and they have no income through. It's awful it's awful. It's awful awful for so many of these people that didn't do anything wrong. They didn't do anything wrong. Built a business and now that businesses crushed man. I think you gotta get the option. You gotTA give people the option to go to work you have to you. Can't you can't do this especially if it's an option but we're yeah? This is not the plague that we thought it was going to be. This is not the horrible tragedy. It's not it's definitely like Allegri with you on that like I think like a month and a half ago I mean I thought I was GONNA see body bags in the street. I was I was like this is GONNA be really bad. I was terrified and it thankfully has not been that bad. I mean New York City got hit pretty hard but you know. We've we have been on lockdown so that has to be accounted for you to see in New York City particularly when they were getting hit. You GotTa think this is New York City in January which is January. It's winter time. People are not going outdoors. I wonder how much the vitamin D deficiency varies dependent upon rights winter winter. It's been shut that it's been seasonal offensive showing that vitamin D levels are much lower in the wintertime. It also correlates. There's been studies correlating with seasonal affective disorder. And all that. But yes January all those vitamin D deficiency is lower for sure would like to see a study on whether or not it varies between the East Coast and the West Coast because over here. We do have all these sunny days outside far more often than the are in New York. We're tougher now clothes wearing t shirts. They're wearing shorts. You know you have more skin exposed. Someone might have done that study. I would like to see that study because it makes sense. Look and people are Shittier over there. Maybe that's why they're shittier. You know I mean. They're cold and grumpy Sure but also maybe that is not feeling well because vitamin D deficiency plays a factor in that as well and I would also like to see something done on whether or not that contributes to how many people get sick over there because when I lived in the East Coast when I lived in New York. Got Sick way more than get sick out here. I'M FOR SURE HEALTHIER. More cognizant definitely track think. All of those things player will personally. I think that you know that. There's been enough evidence showing that vitamin D plays a role in particular respiratory infections. I E PSYCHOSOCIAL STRESS STRESS. Cortisol like that that dampens the immune system. You know so when you are stressed. You're you're you're basically you're not in a good situation to to fight off as you were mentioning with your friend when you're stressed out like your immune system is is dampened and you're you're more susceptible to illness for sure and that's also that's also known. I think all those things and then the sleep the end. That's why it's so rough with all these people stuck inside and stressed out. You know all this. The financial pressures that people are experiencing right now because the lockdown. Yeah it's really it's so odd horror BIF- yeah. It is horrible horrible and start getting better. I hope I just hope. I hope that you know we can reopen the economy in a very safe manner where we don't have like flare ups that we don't want to be set back to like shelter in place again like full-on you know. I'm not GonNa do it again. I'm definitely not going to do it the way it was before. If it's the same disease. I don't think it's warranted. It doesn't make any sense to me. I not exhausted right. I think social distancing make sense I think sanitizing making sure you're using hand sanitizer and cleanliness and all that good stuff and if you want to wear a mask and public that make sense to okay. I get it but this was like inside when you're in places I think like if you're going grocery shopping yes sure but test people. How about that absolutely at work? I mean I test everyone that comes in here you. You told me he'd been tested. And I guess got tested again on Sunday at tested. An clear and I did that right when I got back from Jacksonville Florida. Even everybody's been tested. I'd like to get tested again. Just just for the fuck yeah. I'm hoping that the accuracy of the PCR tests improves. I don't you know I don't know if there's like a bet. You mentioned one test. That might be coming out. I hope that's the saliva but I don't you know I'm not sure. What factor do you think When we're talking about Saunas before one of the things. This is a respiratory disease and this is something where you're breathing in these particles and from what I understand. This is a vulnerable virus in terms of the the temperature that it can survive in. Obviously it's in your body but when if it's in your nostrils if it's respiratory tract and you're breathing in that heated sauna air. Does that have any effect at all on viruses? I think know that hasn't really been studied If the virus is like right in your nostrils I don't know maybe but I think it's already like getting it's already getting inside the the respiratory area like your body's kind of maintaining homeostasis so like the reveal retail some of it off and reduce the viral load. I don't I think I think you don't want to speculate. Well now. I think what's actually the sauna is actually. Just it's improving your immune system and I think that doing the sauna is making you more resilient against against infection like they're you know like like that's been shown there's been small trial showing that people doing Asana I forgot the the. But they're you know they. They were much less likely to come down with the common cold but you know they had to be doing it for like at least three months like it wasn't just something that you could like. You're mentioning you know at the time of getting also the respiratory illness connection there have been correlation studies out of Finland showing that people Actually I think this study was men. Only men that do used the sauna two to three times a week. Twenty seven percent less likely to have pneumonia after correcting for and if they use US on a forty seven times a week there forty forty one percent less likely to come out with the MON after correcting for Socioeconomic Status Physical Activity Cholesterol Long Smoking. Copd like asthma. All those like you know lung disorders so You know the sonnet does seem to be associated with lower incidence of pneumonia. But it's thought to be because of immune perturbations and also like the. There's a the heat shock proteins and all those things like help. There's like an antioxidant effect in the lungs. Like things like that so Heat shock proteins. Also do have antiviral activity against at least influenza a so so he proteins directly can activate your innate immune system but they also have antiviral activity against influenza virus. So you know I think that the that the heat stress and this on it does help. Now there's another study that did look at humidity and the effect of humidity on basically like the ability of your epithelial cells and your airway and nostrils and filter out particles in particular matter and like viruses and stuff and humidity actually made a big difference like humidity like the higher. The more humid better that was was acting basically able to. You're able to filter out stuff whereas dry. It was like so it does make sense. But I don't know I I just don't know the answer. Your question I'm not sure I when the whole thing started. When the lockdown started I was getting the Sauna really hot and those porn a bunch of water on a nose breathing. Big Long deep is burning fat. But I feel like I'm killing count. All you dirty viruses would take these long deep knows and the whole inside of my nose would be like stinging and everything but I was like. It's gotta be killing these things filth but then you know I was talking to a doctor about it. And he's like well you know I was like I was an author home right. Yeah I was asking him. Was it hostile home or is it tests? Maybe yeah and he was like you wouldn't be able to breathe in temperature would wouldn't wouldn't be hot enough to kill it on my Maybe the way you do the song like how are you doing like because people think about the they just think about sitting in there and breathing? You're breathing the steam hot. I mean earning. But the question is is like you know. There's there's homeo- static processes in these cells and stuff and so is it. Actually I was doing the sauna too hot at one point time. I was doing it at two hundred and ten degrees. Because of crazy layered laird. Hamilton had been convicted. That's nuts did I've done I haven't done. I have like I've I've been to to Rick Rubin's House and we've done like it was like two hundred and something barrels on their die talk but like I I was about to like go to one of his like literally going get on a plane and go to quiet and I'm like I'm doing this expertise thing I'm bringing my son. We're going to be a trip and this was happening in March Right when it all went down I was like okay one day one day Larry. We'll do one table do it. So he gets in over two hundred degrees with a fucking air bike with oven mitts on this crazy asshole is riding in air dynasty. And I say all with all due respect because I love the guy. But he's right. I hear them airtime machine in a fucking sauna bro. I so I did that. Two hundred I bet you because they liked you the same protocol and this was like two ten or twenty. It was so hot like like like I I was. I was like on some kind of mind altering drug show. Like and that's that's the point with those guys. The other thing that happens is and then we'd go into this ice bath and there's like this bath right outside and we're like did all this is and like. I said I was trying to impress. Rick Says Staying. Nice long as they could you back into the sauna and and like getting back into this two hundred ten or twenty degrees on and you feel like it's like room temperature because you were just in this ice bath. It's the weirdest feeling then you do that. Like we did it like three or four times. I don't remember but but I was like I started out the conversation. I was like he chopped proteins and I was like talking science and at the end of the conversation. I was just billing everything. Oh Look Dylan them. All it was just kind of you open up basically saying I don't remember but I wasn't talking science I was GonNa die the Sun's GonNa Explode and can create carbon and it's going to create more life forms. I think I think Gabby gabby Larry's wife she. She has a podcast early. She did she still does it. It's called the truth barrel or something. It was at one time. I don't know the names changed or not but I thought that was so awesome because she named it after like dishonored. Because the truth comes out you just start talking like start. You know it's intense. There's watering anyways. Two hundred and ten degrees I was finding it was bring my throat and I think I was doing a too often to his burning my ears so it was dry for us. So I wasn't I wasn't experiencing not as much but had to like get on the floor because like I felt like my hair was gonNA fall out like it was burnt is so high. So how long hat? So I don't remember we. I mean I was like trying to like what is the benefit of it being that hot though. Is there any benefit to that over one eighty? I mean I think that you could just stay in for so the so the thing. So the thing is that like with most of the the studies that have been done looking at the benefits on cardiovascular health and all in all cause mortality lower twenty minutes at one hundred. Seventy four degrees. But you know if you're if you're if you're at two hundred ten you can't stay in there for twenty five minutes or twenty minutes and I mean I guess. Eventually we were in there I was in there for. I don't know how long and then I'd go back and then go back in there but I would get out and would collapse you. Were actually in there for twenty minutes. Two hundred ten degrees and I would get out and I would go out to the matt out there and just call laps. Yeah that sounds like too much too much. You actually replenishment. Take US liquid. Iv actually yeah liquid visa. A great electrolyte supplements I take sweat. Works POPCORN WHY? I'm just kidding. It's like my I love like boy. I wear a continuous glucose monitor. That thing. We'll go to like one sixty five like just from you know from the corn corn and I'm typically like you know typically like my my meals that are like you know low carb. I usually like I eat more. Like a paleo-ish you know. So it's like meat and vegetables like my meals. Don't get me over one hundred for sure. Most of the time doing like popcorn popcorn will spike it Really bad certain things will spike it worse than others but but that the popcorn Your taste good with the sodium. It's so good with salt and butter L. man so delicious. Who figured out that? It's the perfect food for for movies. We can only eat it in our office though because we have a two and a half year old. A big show. It's like the number one choking. Popcorn is like the number one choking. Oh can you imagine right the colonel? Yeah Yeah I sometimes The the thing about the sauna at two hundred ten degrees to one of the things that was happening to me. I says getting headaches and my throat was burning like the next. I was coughing a lot and I was like. I think I'm fucking up the actual tissue in my throat. I'll man because when you cook a brisket like you cooking brisket like to ten. That's not true. Twenty headaches I think is a sign that you you pushed too hard I was doing. That's intense twenty minutes to ten. Why got addicted to it? Get ADDICTED SOMETIMES. The things that are really hard to do Like just like so in my mind a Mike because it's so hard to stay in there for twenty minutes at two hundred ten degrees it hurts. Everything hurts your skin hurts. Your toes hurt like it hurts. And then so then the next day I would like look forward to doing it to see if I could do it easier again. And then I'm like in this weird loop that my own brain creates which is really bad that I am very addicted to trying to conquer thing. I'm a bit that way. That was the thing and then but then I took a step back. I think I'm fucking myself up here. One eight hundred one eighty s gray alike one eighty Fahrenheit for sure have I have. I told you my tall story. I wanted to tell you this so I was. You Chew Gum I know you do. I remember like after show like Chew Gum right sure. Do you use isla tall. I don't think so. Okay so good about tell you. My story is sure from Birch. It's from the Birch Plant. We were just talking about It's the natural. It's naturally found in so that Birch you know what they're whipping it's from that plant it. Yes it is used as a like. If you're eating it you know I think it could cause like like the. You're with a tall kind of thing effect where it's like too much G I distrust but when you're chewing gum or using toothpaste. These many studies have shown that kills anaerobic. Bacteria like Streptococcus Kochta's mute mutations that cause cavities dental decay. Brillo so so here's my store. Multiple Studies in humans showing this. It's like a big deal so I went to. This is before it was before I had my son I went to the dentist. My dentist is a really great. And he didn't x Ray during cleaning you know mental hygiene thing and and he comes back. And he's like you've got to cavities cavities. I don't even need sugar like you know I've just I've got like a bad oral microbiome or something that I've just for for years or I don't know I shouldn't have cavities because I don't eat sugar but anyways I had because you have cavities throughout the point of no return where you know like you there I guess they penetrate the Enamel a certain amount and they're like you have to have to get them out and so the way I am is. I always like to look into everything before I do anything. It's like okay this is not my field understand. Untold them on like. I'm going to do some reading research and see if I can find if there's any possibility that don't have to like get a filling right and he's like okay. Well if you find anything please send it my way so So then I found out I was pregnant so I was like okay. Well I can't go back to dentist and at that point I I was like looking through everything while my toiletries and everything like what do I have to get rid of. What's in there that could be harmful and so's floride like in my toothpaste. So I was like. I don't WanNA use fluoride toothpaste anymore. And these stories are GONNA CONNECT. But so floyd floyd has been shown. A lot of people are worried about the effects on the brain and the only solid evidence I could find on negative effects of Florida on the brain are in utero meaning pregnant women and the effects on babies and I don't know toothpaste has enough to even do anything but in my mind. I was like nope getting rid of the fluoride I got I got a water filter. That got rid of the Florida. The water and I was like doing all that so I came across this Xylitol Xylitol base so. I started doing research on the tall while I was looking for alternatives. I like Thomson Man. I can't use that crap. I've tried it before. Crows like my Mattino get dirty so I make certain smell worse anyways so so I was like. I've gotta find something other than main because I came across his Zanoto stuff started doing research and then I found all these studies and not only. Did I find studies that like it? You know? Basically kills these bacteria that cause cavities the s mutants pregnant women. That choose eyelid told them by the way the studies were with gum. Not The truth base. The people were chewing gum and pregnant. Pregnant women like were like six months pregnant. That study started six months and they chewed gum all the way up until anywhere between the child the baby being six months and there was some studies that went out like a year and then they met the researchers measured the oral bacteria of the toddlers and then they measured in multiple years out as they became children and the mothers chewing it chewing the gum. It lowered the incidence of the S Tins in the children. Because you know mother's kiss their kids and the transfer orbit area and so they're like they're chewing out of talk on had a positive effect on the child's oral microbiome and I was like puck. Yeah I'm going to do this. I was like I gave myself. Tm J. Like I chewed so much. Silence all gone. While I was pregnant I still like to have some with me right now. But I'm Jay is worth it like. It was like popping. My job was I was eating a lot of Sauteed Kale and chewing gum when I was pregnant and so but it totally fixed itself thankfully so anyways a year goes by have have my son. I've been show Mike. Okay gotta go back Dennis because you know pregnancy makes your teeth worse. There's like all this stuff about you. Bleeding gums bleed. There's like there's some kind of term we're like women get like late. What's that titus or gingerbread? It's one of those two. It's bad anyways so I go back to Dennis. We do the XRAYS. And I'm like Oh you're gonNa tell me about the stupid cavities and they haven't done the research and it goes. He comes in and he goes. I've never seen this before but your calves are gone. And he shows the x rays and he shows me before and after he's like they're totally gone and and I was like that's amazing is it the pregnancy is and you know he's like we get women coming in your after printing worse and the only thing that I did that I could think of is like my obsessive xylitol Gum chewing which I still do and The fact that it does decrease the I don't know how it would affect an already formed cavity but my cavities are gone. So my doctor. My I'll see my dentist is great because he like you know any. Dennis could just be like no. They're still they're like I don't know what the x rays will still look like so I feel like he's a trustworthy guide. Isn't that shifty Dennis right right so that is crazy so the xylitol gum somehow. So you think that what did was affect your the microbiome Of Your mouth showed at all studies showing that it decreases the incidence of I'm talking about staphylococcus mutants remember but there's another one that causes dental decay but it didn't affect any of the good bacteria in the mouth well so so it was like a now. I'm just like it's all stuff a caucus mutants the same the same family that you get from staph infections different stuff. Yeah I mean there's lots of different staphylococcus Blah Blah Blah Blah. Okay so I'll talk. I'm Jay need to get on it. It's awesome like it's I really think it's that gun we've been chewing as Ayatollah. Oh the Nurham. Okay I've been chewing this neuro gum. That is It's gum with nutro. Picks in it utopic yeah sake plank. I was eating a bunch of EC- EC- GCE and Cuckoo cuckoo like capsules. Like the the Cata candidate in the dark for mine. What's in IT L. Fanny? I'll see I was looking for my out because that helps calm. It's a little bit of caffeine B vitamins. I've love it. I love it. I take it before. I do kickboxing workouts. Chew Gum I used to. I used to Sorry with Neuro B. Six and B. Twelve also. That looks interesting. I I used to take when I was like doing long distance running I was wearing like eight to ten miles a day and doing that. Like I was probably about fifty fifty miles a week which is pretty good. You know This is when I was in my early twenties but I would like dose up on these like B. Complex vitamins and I swear I would happen for sure. I don't know if it was like placebo or not. But like be twelve as a big impact on your ability to do work giving so. Oh Yeah for sure research on it but I just know that I used to take them and I felt like a big effect. I don't know B twelve shots. You ever get a show. I did. So the the intravenous vitamin C I. I think it had B twelve in it. Russia B. Twelve shots give you an awesome little boost. Yeah but I haven't done like a specific b twelve shot the stuff's pretty good and I don't feel any like the song high. I don't feel anything so it's no isn't that isn't CBD's posted like also be like calming it relieves anxiety. Yeah you just got to get a good. Cbd like a good CD that doesn't have THC. 'cause I have a few that I've tried from other the the tincture that I take from. Cbd MD and it doesn't get me high at all. But I've had some from other companies where I'd have like three drops full. Oh okay how does it help your sleep? Yes it is the. Thc is required to you know. Different people have different results when it comes to. Cbd and some people find that CBD with THC benefits them more and some people find that it's just the CBD itself but CBD. The company. That I use what I really like. Is They have a bunch of Muscle creams and like stuff. That you rub on the outside of sore muscles that's fantastic. It's really good pantries into the skin and just really good at alleviating soreness and I had so like one of my old colleagues science colleagues was That were measuring some samples from like different. Cbd products and like the majority of them didn't even have much CBD in them at all like. There's just a lot of I mean. I mean this has been shown with vitamin vitamin. You know vitamin supplements as well. There's been so many studies showing even vitamin D supplements. Like it'll say it has ten thousand I you but it only has like six thousand like there's been sampling where you like you go to like walgreens or CVs just whatever random place placing grab the vitamin that they don't have is the concentration in isn't high also those like ECHINACEA. Things like a lot of cloverleaf clover. Because it's not regulated kind of bullshit anyway. Like what does that do for you to Jack? Up Your Immune System. That's buddy always told me that they were all sick all the time. The people there terry interest in taking a fishing to know. I know I haven't looked into the ECHINACEA someone like someone asked me about. The elderberry So so I looked into that and because I was like is that like an ECHINACEA thing but and there's some actual legitimate research. Elderberry has been shown in randomized controlled trials to affect the immune system in lower colouration. And stuff like that you know so are you a fan of a fan of Kabukicho. Used to drink. What is the one I I drink the dark one? Ginger Lemon Darna can't remember the name. Um Tease no I used to. But then they're they are sugar that the sugar in that wants too much of the one that I drink is two grams per serving two servings. So there's only four grams of sugar. The sugar though is what helps the fermentation helps the fungus grow right. I think this is the. Gt1 had like eight grams so it was like twice as much and the other and the ginger lemon I like the Ginger Lemon Law and unlike this one tastes better so ginger lemon does the the one that I'm getting it's like it's founded like whole foods and sprouts and it's not the same amount of active culture though that's the question. I don't know it's in the dark bottle. You want home dark bottles better while the dark bottles better in life because it doesn't permit in the Sun as well doesn't the sun doesn't penetrate okay almost like uv protector got got microbiome. Health is important for function and it really is like like. That's another thing we're calling him. She loves love it do so I would. What's the brand I buy it? Buy It from sprouts or whole mother-in-law laws that we have some here. Yeah it's so delicious too and I love it with meet meet. We've we've been like we have a bunch of Elk Burger. We we ordered online ordering on. No no no no. I'll give you some here. We have we were like you early on. We were just like we freezers. I need to Burger. I need all the work. I'm just so thankful that it's not as bad. I mean I really am as well but I think our government needs to make an adjustment. They need to recognize that. It's not as bad as started opening things up but there's so many people that are just the sky's falling the sky's falling still. They're still saying there's still screaming from the rooftops we can people are dying. People are dying every day from everything that testing. I think that's GonNa make a big difference in become less scared as these as these therapeutics do March which which which they will. I'm sure absolutely but what I really wanted to talk to you. The reason why I wanted to bring you in here. Is this conversation that we just had to talk about. What are the? What are the methods that you can use to help boost your immune system? Keep your body healthy. I think we got it dialed in so vitamin D seems to be very critical sawn if you have it if you don't bath vitamin C. Orally you need a big dose and it's still not going to have the same effect if you can do ivy. You don't need to do but once a week and the zinc zinc let's Quercetin for your and then sleep sleep giant and Mike rebound health. Do you use anything to help you sleep in terms of like meditation. App or do you so I use Melatonin okay. Here's my way I used to not so. I have a history of night terrors. And well it's like when I when I'm stressed out particularly it flares up and it happens like when I think when I'm shifting from one sleep stage to the next where I am asleep but somehow I wake up but I'm not awake and I can still but I'm moving my body and I think that someone's in the room and that they're gonNA come get me and I flew out I scream and it's happened where I scare Dan. Of course he's like in the middle of sleep and it happens in my sleep cycle. So it's like but I've so I started doing. I started reading about this stuff. Like I don't want to like the treatments. Were like Ben's owes on my hell. No I'm not GonNa Take Ben's that's been shown to like cause dementia right so let's of terror terrible yes it. It's very addictive. And then like if you if you come into it I mean it can like you can like go through serious like die. Jordan Peterson just went through all this and literally. Yeah yes and went to Russia to have some sort of crazy medical detox awful. He's still suffering from it. I mean he's been fucked up for like a year. Wow that sucks so. I didn't WanNa do that but there was. There was some studies showing that high dose Melatonin. you know more in the ten milligram range sorry. I'm taking nine milligrams a night and I totally stop having for the most part dances. Yeah like I went through one episode where what happens when someone has a nightmare is like if someone else in the sharing the bed with you like tries to stop you or help like because I'm still asleep. I'm not aware that that's my husband doing that. And I really think someone's trying to get me so I just go into like crazy mode and I like I like somehow like crawled from our bedroom all the way out to the living room and by the time I woke up I mean I had bruised myself I was like how would I get out here. You know like this is like the worst. The worst. That's ever happened to me so usually I just scream and wake up and I think someone's going to get me. Melatonin totally totally stopped. It totally stops it. I measure I track my sleep as well and and I think that you know. I don't know the sleep stage stuff. How accurate that is. I think is very accurate but Duration is pretty accurate. So so what did not executive Tommy like how much time I'm in deep sleep are ordering. Oh that's accurate. I think that the I don't think the sleep stages accurate. Because like that's like you have to look measure brainwave like it's measuring. It's I'll tell you why because I've had multiple incidents when I was nursing my son back when I was nursing my son where he was on a nursing pillow and I'm very relaxed. Of course I'm nursing him right and making oxytocin and I'm like scrolling on my phone reading and it it calculated me as being Rem Sleep and it happened. It happened more than once. There's other times Dan and I don't we don't have a TV in our room bedroom. But when we go travel we're gonNA tell when bad sorely bad watching your show and I'm like totally relaxed in bed and it's totally putting me as calculating as asleep. The Mike you know calculates heart rate and movement And Body temperature. So you know I I like it I do I just. I don't think that it's totally accurate. And during my only real way to measure that. Is Those Little Suction Cup things you put on your head right. I did a sleep study I have sleep apnea so yeah so I had to do that. Do you. Do See papper. No I have a mouthpiece amazing yeah it's a mouthpiece because my father-in-law has apnea and there's a doctor. Dr Karachi and he's very wacky Guy Rope Ian Yeah missiles to write that down. Is that GONNA look them up? Yeah you can find it. Brian Caribbean knees in Tarzana. Yeah pretty sure isn't Tarzan. He used to be out here well. He was in Tarzana. And then I think you might have moved to Sherman Oaks. Anyway you'll find I'll find it all to you. But anyway he devised a mouthpiece it has like a little tongue oppressor and for me. My problem is my my neck is very thick. There it is what is a full breath. Solution C-PAP ALTERNATIVE DOT com. Yeah it's The idea is a lot of people. Have a problem with paps they. It's uncomfortable wearing your face. That's how I felt and so this mouthpiece asleep apnea mouthpieces. Sits in my mouth in the tongue oppressor keeps my tongue from sliding back and closing my airway. Wow so I I was okay. You did go on so I went in. I had a sleep study done. It was bad. It's hard to sleep. Probably when you're in those right like but I did sleep. You know because I was I was sleep deprived. That's what it looks like so see it sits in that little tongue thing pushes down on your your actual tongue was like they'd have to get fit like Yeah you go in there and mold exactly. Yeah it makes a big difference awesome. I've gone places and forgot it in a panic. Like fuck yeah So THAT'S A. That's a huge thing that I because I was like am. I just like freaking out because I'm like not getting enough oxygen or something. But they had me do a pull them or thing that lot of wrestlers and athletes football players. Get it because your neck muscles get really big and when neck muscles get big if you have a big tongue and I have a big tongue when I lay down at closes the airway so my tongue slide. Oh Yeah just associate with obesity. Yes well they get fat. That's one of the ways that they there's operations that they do to Try to alleviate it and they just cut out some of the tissue inside your mouth and then they also cut out your Boyd. Because I wouldn't be able to talk for like a month right if you don't wear. Do you snore? Oh a crazy that when you wear it. You don't snore. Yeah your wife must bub it before it was an also choke. I can't breathe you know because I am bodies forcing to adjust. I remember. I was on a plane once and there was this guy behind me news. A kind of a heavy fellow and he was He was really snoring loud. Who's laying on his back and really snoring loud and then he would go without breathing for multiple seconds and I filmed him and I. I told him when he woke up. I go hey man I go do you know you have sleep apnea. And he's like no go. Listen I haven't to I go. You got to do something about it. I go you hold your breath for long periods of time because really our show you. Yeah so I showed him. He's like fuck and I go. Yeah Dude this is really bad. It's associated with so many different things is associated with high blood pressure heart attacks the risk of all sorts of ailments. Plus you're not sleeping enough. You're not getting real sleep because you're constantly being woken up and shocked into the state of like no. It's really bad it's bad for you and it's bad for your spouse like my mother-in-law has to go. She goes into the guest room to sleep after they go to bed because she can't sleep like really bad. Do you have to do the the I wanted to kill the guy? You've no idea it was like I just stopped like having someone that's nores is like can't sleep. I can't wear my ears are like earplugs first of all. They're not comfortable for me. I've really tiny ear canals. And just like can't some people can sleep with your plug like I just can't just yeah. Snoring is a real issue and it's usually an issue of some sort of impeded airway. Yeah Yeah I'm glad I don't have that but the nightmare thing I'm just the melatonins helped so yeah hope you for sleeping. Oh I mean I think that going basically like having a good circadian rhythm and like bright light exposure in the early morning like it really does help like there was a time when I would you know like I lived in Oakland. I was just in this dark little apartment. And you know like it just wasn't really great for my circadian with him because I would wake up in the morning especially like on weekends and stuff like you know. There's no light coming in and I didn't I wasn't I didn't live in a place that was like I could just go outside. And frolic you know so frolic and Oakland don't really go But yeah bright light exposure. Big Too big. It was like a huge thing and the red light so I have. I do the Phillips you. Where like five o'clock all the lights in our house Go read dot makes a huge impact on my son and his sleep cycle like because Children are really sensitive to light because they don't have cataracts and stuff and so they're they're like you know the Melatonin is not being produced so Like if we go travel or go to my inlaws lights on. I'm like going around the house turning off 'cause I want my son to go to bed at an hour. You Watch do you if you're looking at your screens. Dis Blue Light blocking glasses. So I I have like all the APPS and stuff and most of the time like I turn my my. My phone screen is like down and they have black background and all that. But I don't wear glasses. I just those are great. You should look into the blue limelight because when I actually get a chance to watch. Tv like it. It doesn't happen much because right now my son falls asleep like nine and he wakes up at six and so like shoes. I go to bed really so I'm like wondering when do I. When can I cut the NAP? Out Like googling everything you know just trying to figure it all out so you have to keep napping until three I I gotta like decent more reading. Because it's not it's not uniform. I know my youngest. Never WanNa take naps. She's like fuck off staying awake. Oh my son doesn't WANNA take. He doesn't WanNA sleep ever wants to party all day every day man. He's like it'll start to see he's starts to get dusk and he's like it's still daytime time and I'm like for a little bit. It's GonNa be nighttime soon. What about if you get him? Active exercises yeah. Well it's we used to go to soccer class and stuff and go to the park but it's hard with the shelter in place right now. You pent up energy so we've been doing like yes so I've been trying to like take them you know like we do like hide and seek and run. Run run where where amount. But you know I think I think the bright light exposure for him taking him out in the morning is really important and now that we you now now. I'm able to do that more like I feel safer there so Especially being outside. I don't I'm not as concerned so like I think that's really important. From bright lead exposure is just. There's just study after study. Showing it sets your circadian clock boom. It's like okay. This is this is this is like the morning and your circadian clock starts and then you know so you become sleepy when you're supposed to come become sleepy as long as you're not in tons bright light at night But that's been probably the biggest thing by the way you know what's actually talking about. My Glucose Monitor my continues monitor. We're talking about popcorn and you know the biggest thing that really affected my glucose levels wasn't popcorn was actually lack of sleep really. Yeah big time effect like particularly if I wasn't exercising like like almost pre-diabetic level. Fasting Blood Glucose like when this is this is when my sleep was being disrupted when like my son was like younger. So I've been wearing. My Continuous Glucose Monitor for a year and a half. Maybe two years you wear this. What is it remind minds right here? Oh you have a little patch that you wear on all them. Yeah not diabetic. No love seen a guy who wears one of those but he's diabetic. Yeah I mean I'm wearing it because I'm sort of trying to understand how different foods have different lifestyle changes like. How long have you been wearing? I got it probably right after the last time I was on here. Okay right literally just constantly. Where for years and I've been where. Yeah it's been it's been almost maybe two years almost two years a year and a half but I most the time constantly whereas sometimes because it only it's like the central last for ten days after change it and sometimes I like forget and a couple of days ago bar and then I start like eating the pomegranate because my son loves and I'm wondering what does this do I click but the lack of sleep because he would wake up like I would be getting interrupted multiple times at night like you know where it was like. I don't know he was going through some developmental stage and stand in his crib. And it's like so I was. I was getting woken up multiple times at night for like prolonged periods. Jerry Very Lake Fragmented Sleep and I was nothing changed with my diet. And My Blood Glucose my my fasting blood glucose levels. If I'm might exercise routines dialed in. I'm not like shelter in place you know it's about you know mid eighties And so I was up like I was up to like lane. Fasting Blood Glucose would get up sometimes too like if I wouldn't exercise like one make wake up in the morning and I'm like one zero six seven one nine so big and it was capable. The lack of sleep causes you so many studies published. We did a video on it and like its defects like the insulin secretion sensitivity like all that stuff. It's all being affected. So it's one of the reasons why like shift shift workers like really are prone to type two diabetes. You really are phone so is so important. Poor people has got to be one of the worst things for your body. Nurses like their doctors. First responders anybody's working the late shift. Dan Dan had his appendix removed. Like he so he had this crazy story. But you probably have to go crazy. Is it? Well it's pretty crazy. Actually so he had this appendix thing happened. We were busily visiting his parents in Memphis and it was like Christmas Eve and so he had to go to the hospital. He was like the bad. I need to go to hospital so we went to the hospital. Like yeah you have appendicitis. But he didn't feel comfortable getting. It removed there because there was just a bunch of factors. That wasn't his doctor like up so he got this antibiotic treatment like sent home a couple of days later he got some treatment and then it came back like a couple of months later or a few months later back when we were home but he was like all of a sudden like the first time he had it. He was just like paying. I should go. Something's wrong the second time. He was like vomiting. And like you know. I didn't WanNa like my son was sleeping. It was like two in the morning. He woke me up so we call the I. I call the ambulance just like you know. He's vomiting know if ruptured because it can be serious but anyways these I my whole point was the first responders they came and they were just like yeah. We don't ever sleep like it's like we don't actually. It's just so awful for them. Terrible for you so anybody's working the late shift. God that's gotTa be so bad for you. I used to deliver newspapers so every morning. I was up at five o'clock in the morning and I was also doing comedy does going to bed really late at night and I was always tired. I just would be sitting here. I just fall asleep. That's awful terrible. A lot of a lot of people are sleep deprived a lot. Yeah A lot. Yeah it's huge factor. Yeah well I think we covered a lot today we got. We got a lot in the vitamin D. Information was so fascinating all of it appreciate you very much. You're always an awesome resource. Really Ain't you're awesome and talk to having me back on the Pike. My pleasure anytime. Tell people how to find. You found my fitness fitness tunes. Podcast as well as fitness youtube channel found my fitness website. Foundmyfitness had found my fitness instagram Alma. Fitness twitter all right. Thank you Ronda. Appreciate show by Buddy. 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