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8 BIT CRUMBS - 06-02-2020 (Sam Raimi for Doctor Strange and more!)

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8 BIT CRUMBS - 06-02-2020 (Sam Raimi for Doctor Strange and more!)

"Nominee mm-hmm yeah well that last as part squeezes the juice gets it. A guy gets to me. You does because at first you like dry vein into the vein. You being electrocuted in their chair of US Jews. Oh uh-huh how's everybody tonight. Welcome to them crumbs of the a bit some people say ABC crumbs strew. I heard about this. Oh look at you. Everybody Oughta I am dry. As Core Coleman over here we have Christopher juicy needing tidier respectable Herman take a look like a mess anymore. Damn Bomar helping people were saying. Oh God look I'm sitting there. He looks tired his hair there is always skew. Clean cutting on looking good feeling fresh. You all to. We've got the HIP hop the hippie. Look Adam you even got the beard trimmed beard whenever. Yeah Yeah not bad man you do thank you you do. Everything is like one law. Contour everything is slim's it to tell the world. Oh well you know what is really recall to be able to do a show respectable co host this week. You man did fucking bum. I had last week. Fuck that guy. Adiga a homeless guy just gave me start doing the show. I mean he was negative. One boy do you walk. It was at that point. I realized okay. I need to clean up my ah yeah. Let's let's not do that. I'd better get a haircut man otherwise you might just strip down. Just start walking. The halls might happen is inevitable star roaming the hallways. It's our ever in Mega Spirit. Walk at the close look. Good my God. We're talking about the the MIS adventures the double toaster yet last week we had a pretty much a sitcom going on man. Yes he really did. Yeah it was like this is real reality television right here not affectionate the fake shit like no go wash your show from last week The what was it. The weekly roasted does it. Tuesday show. You've heard US talking about it but if you haven't avenue you WanNa get on this. Give you some context. You're doing the show tonight and we first of all it was crazy enough that we were talking about Leprechaun who's after that negative man. Just start walking through the halls of Devon came in. He's like this a naked man in the hallway. I liked that but I appreciate appreciate damage with this because he waited. Until you're done with this segment you cut to a commercial break and then you told them. All the crazy shit was happening. I liked the room and just cause a panic. He's like no. He's respectful about. That sounds Nice so he was all these people up in here. All the back is training prime. Thank you the twitter transcription. Thank thank you for the subscription they appreciate it and we're GonNa talk about you guys a little while Let's go welcome to chat while we haven't here. Oh look at that arsenic. Our putting our logo up in there. Oh Oh Gee Chad but look at all. The love is gone on in the new chat. Radio Oh God. y'All going wild up and now let's go. What's wrong with L. Hype? Oh is that where it is. The guy that Corey is doing the show with I like him. I like the kind of his Jim. Is he ready. I am ready. I mean might as well you looking off fresh. They say let's get up. Let's see what happens. Thank you for the Serb talking about for the show started. How well we're doing because of you guys out there but you know let's tell you about what's happening here on the show today? Got A lot of stuff happening today. We got that for right. It was your it was fresh presentable. You're not even know what you do. How Bizarre Fingers Oh man I was just gays and get your fresh haircut? I was I was was it all it. You must have a traumatic experience on Tuesday going on. Did you notice looked at your like we have have the right. It's beautiful so submit your brash. It's one lens imperfect the I'm looking. Let's try this again though that we do we have a variety of sorry. I can't help it off to the chart okay. I'm GonNa look at you there. That's OK okay. People we have variety there you go there you go rushing those. You know you're dragging. It was dragging my ad in Russian all the way. Oh yeah that's right people cory cory is entrenched good. Yeah the transfer by his hit roof. appreciate that. Thank you Yeah only that man was wearing it that Chris Kaman. That's up from a non another teen gene movie. That's how he got his start really. Yeah I'm sorry too busy looking to whip cream dick. That is distracting creamy. Cover that too good for easily. Your he's like your hair so destroyed. Some people say you're here is like Chris Episodes Dick the cream. I like that. Yeah I'll take it. That's a good comparison. Thank you. That's America's Dick. Hit It as America's Dick it came to garrity dirty streets got creamy nipples and everything. I mean that thing when it goes off you don't know what direction to go in Noman Let me see we got here but ducey cream as well as people liquid. You know so many distractions in here hair. Dick's so many things. Let me let me lock eyes with you right now until you will. We're having on the show here today. You might have heard already. We have a new director for doctor. Strange partout partout you know. They say we don't know goes in talks. Some people already are happy about some people say has done. I'm going to tell you right now. It is here is happening we do. And this is what it is. Scott Sam Raimi's they're talking to that guy he's a good guy he's all right like someone's content. Yeah he's okay. The boys all right. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about. I remember him back in the day man he was he was running these streets one shit and sturdy day when he was calling it exactly exactly how he was treated greets man but look. He's done something with his life now. here Megan the horror and the superheroes and all that good stuff in we also have have what else an old man trying to recapture his. Is You funding. Strange somebody to sit down and stop. I can see why you try to do this but stop Harrison Ford. Steve Administered Augusta ended up in. Sure you might be the thing. Is Smoking Jones. Only get the fuck out of my job Buchan guarded. Tell me what I can fucking do. Okay I'M GONNA find. Oh He's getting on or each lambda GRANDPA Jones. Give me AH yes. We're GONNA call about God. Joe Johns no type hypoc Blues Breath Jones Taking Viagra not what else we got. Oh Castle Vania. That's right. Who knows what that what what's going on with cast Vania? We'll well you know it's a new game. What would they do not want to check eleven? P We don't smoke. Oh cracking the crack is not cool thank you can do. His voice guide could be like the like the older version. Was I don't know man I try. I can't do it like a wick it. That's not really that's not. That's not it is wanted to bring more of it out so I'll suck up the impression you can do Period or it. You got that peewee black face a little different the trump but not we're talking we're talking about trump in any way but what you're thinking. Yeah Trust us. We ain't even getting political with some going on with trump. Everybody's hey everyone's talking about trump tries popular. Let's jump on this train right here with me. It worked for US many money from exactly Agley exactly a gentleman. Oh fuck that do seriously yes they do. Yeah Yeah. I am full agreement with that trump's a bitch but you're going to hear what we're talking about today. Yeah Trust Trust now. What you think is not what you think that what you know? Forgive what we start you know. Just stop thinking. Let us do taken for you. Just watch too. We got some people already kind of jumped ahead. Many know what's going on some people know what's up. Some people know as a somebody smoking crack out there. Let's see and thank you. Everybody for being this is. Why don't have drinks in this area? That's right hand these corey fingers to slow in the Switzer today. They're bumping into the phone. All the things I'm like. Oh I need crack more aware ask. You'll be more on it the way you said that you didn't even worry man. y'All well sniff. Yeah you hold it out on me. Oh chat welcome him boy. Welcome great to have y'all here it really is. It really is almost at a almost eight thousand people. That's right eight thousand dollars. Eight thousand following. Last time I checked it was thirty away so probably now. It's even less than that. Not Not bad had missed. This whole thing is working not bad for being here a month and a half. It's pretty good. I'm so bad at all in the bucket. I allergies kicking in. I know I have a dog on my lap and I took them to the park earlier. You and they both just found a patch. I don't know what was in the algae patch of course allergies one spot perfect. I don't know what was in and the In that grass. Yeah but they they. There was just a patch and he just got all up in just rolled in some dead. It was some data dead or some form of piece of shit. was there something. Yes and dog did very fermented his shirt mentioned piss. Yeah yeah he does get the half affirmative. Musk musk smell they love it. Yeah man so might begin some allergies off of the dogs. Yeah I was show you the cute puppy that I have about on disturb her. She's yes you good right. Now he's cooling out. Yeah so I'll tell you what folks is. Well here's what we're going to do not check this out. Many of you. Who are new here? Never realized that if I don't play commercials I can actually go to jail. That's what I've heard. Yeah contractual obligation got Bali contract contract. Play Ed's right here I go to prison. I'm good. Is this the first time here in. Do you still use to very loud this. What's the kind of like it into it's like? Oh thank you yeah. It's not as angry not angry angry. He's you know he's a little worried. Exasperate he's googly great google movie I like it I guess Charlie and get to some US loves thank thank you thank you done had heard from you in a while man. How you doing one busy? I'll tell you what man was work. Tell you what I'm GonNa do man. I'M GONNA go ahead and play this ad so I can stay here and continue to do I want you gotta twitch twitch president rich person excuse me with just tra- you know man. No that's account. I'm going to bet seriously I have to do this. I'll tell you what we're GONNA play this ad and we'll we'll be right back to get the show started right after this own women. Oh yeah okay looking right my friend how are you. I'm doing well how about you. I'm doing well. tickle them. Throw mental I know as he when I clear mm-hmm I throw a little bit more. Maybe there's something in the studio that's where it is. What you twist jail? I knew it existed. I'm sorry yeah it is exists. Yeah what do you think they send people who don't play ads. That's true. Yeah man filled with those people. You want to hear something crazy what I'll tell you right after we're done with all thirty six but obviously I think it might be something because I always start clearing my throat. It might be black mold as perfect eventually. Kill you can't it. I'm pretty sure can. Yeah Fox up your lawn really or you're quite a few people come through here. I mean we might have a dose of the Corona viruses. Shoot sure you never know you never know going through place Jewish unlike every two years though yeah thinking about it but it'll pass remember SARS. Yes SARS air flew the classics with other claps. How're you doing? Good guys here was going on everyone great to have you you. I was talking to my man Mr Herman speaking of pewee paging Sterban. That is you. You've seen pee the bench and I've heard that joke a lot you yes really every second grade to now never mentioned it before I the reason I thought it was the first. You gotTa tell me these days have not been so is now not that original juicy Hamburg man. Because I thought he wouldn't do that. Most obvious joke in the world and there was so clever. Becca Day call me. peewee Herman because I love not we did this. fucking God damn ground adults. Think they're clever. Do Yup and I was happy. I looked at looked into US Brian twinkling her pats me. Aw Tell you what I want to. I want to tell you okay. You know some weird Yummy so you might say I had to go pee before I did the show. Yep Dignity I get the room. I'm watching but okay so the chaz bringing it to look at that paging Mr Herman go there clever to but you never had it would visuals. Oh get that now. That's the first time that's unique. Thank you first time for everything. See you see now. I told you I had to go. Pee Yes and you saw. You probably witnessed that. I did go pee. You weren't in the bathroom you know. I'll tell you something weird about me man so I WanNa go pee as I was paying I heard in a stall behind like gin toilet paper right. Somebody's GonNa Take Shit. Okay Eh so I hear that and I just immediately don't even really notice. I started like pushing the fast. You like your privacy. Well it's weird to me man. It's weird for me to like. I don't want to look at that person. I WANT TO GET A. They did not they had to clean themselves. I'm washing their hands. Wash hands so yeah you do you get a little panicked shitty fingers so I don't want look this person is. I'm trying to hear it up squeezing. They don't do they know you're going to collapse on yourself. UPS Queen ups and appeared trying to squeeze the this man squeeze up squeezed. I like this. I'm public Squeeze it hand over your heart ahead on my heart. One of come on keep pumping it just people to go to the bathroom to P I A- and I'm just taking my time it's feeling good sure now here the tissue paper all behind the toilet paper about the ads and I hear that. I'd like to start squeezing always questioning. Who turned down everything? Breathing is bugging out. What actually? I'm glad you said that because I'm kind of the same way because I don't like the likes to use them in the chip. Yeah that's my favorite Mo like never beautiful that's the most Work the debt guys ever gotten thirty years later on the same way man like. I don't think anyone likes to use public restroom because they're grocers people there. I I like my privacy. It's like when I'm when I'm taking a shit the last thing I wanted to someone in the room near me. Yeah because it's like I. I just feel weird and awkward so I just stop what I'm doing and wait until they're gone. Then I continue this me. Okay so now I have to go go there. I'm like all right. I have to do it yeah. Interruption is back sorry trying to be polite almost all the way. Yeah Yeah Oh don again thank you appreciate Jenner so nice yeah. I'm the same way man like I will holy Shit I'll airport and somehow managed to find it. I'm a how. How did this man I do not I was coming back from Orlando? I don't know how did this but I said I gotta go. I gotTa go before I get on his plane. Yeah I don't WanNa go on his plane but also I WANNA go. I don't like using the public restrooms. Yeah I'm taking it I went. I don't know a real no I did it but somehow I'd I searched out some toilet. Some bathroom Athem. Where would nobody was there? Of course no one was thinking about like one of the toilets might have been out of out of service. Okay so they they probably had something telling people go in the tape on it every day. I mean there shouldn't have been able to ship. puddle is. Nobody's here some alone she want. Yeah Yeah not necessarily women. Yeah but but I was taking a piston and I I just couldn't I don't WanNa look at this guy that I get because you're both you're doing something that is natural but what is just gross. Nasty it's nasty and so it's like you want you want to do private. You don't want to be a shared experience. No one should have the shared experience. I when I because I think people even barest by that guy probably even stayed in and you start that he stayed in their man. 'cause I heard I heard him. Ypres is but you know he didn't flush He didn't wait for you to lease way for me to finish. He was he was just taking his time. Wipe halfway through and I. I don't know what it was. Oh look at this Eric. Eric Draws says headquarters taking shit right now. Well I'll turn away when you walk a tree like somebody just like murdered. Someone as you know. It's it's like we don't need to speak. That's why when people talk about the talk in the bathroom. Let's get outside all right. Let me finish you what I'm doing right here because I can't go if you're talking to me talk me. I just can't do anything. Yeah I've seen people like that. Yeah this guy. I don't think he's leaving. Does he knows what he's taking the PISS. He's got Lebed some. Yeah that's what I would have done but I remember one time at the movie theater that a screening and So this guy right. I forgot how started either guys already taking a piss take a piss and then I came up in I I started I started pissing. I notice that this guy wasn't doing anything like okay. Hold on and I just stop peeing. Actually I stopped post up to an impasse here. We've got the guy he was at the start. Okay so you just. We'll stay here. That's why I stopped. It just waited you know like And I got a suge. Hold his logging. Same problem the guy. He is where he would like. 'CAUSE I saw his face like this is weird like I'm pissing holding my peers. I'm looking at this guy and then you can tell the guy he was like you know he tell you starting to come on lets you leave. Yeah He wouldn't WanNa pee while I was there. Yeah Wow we could piss in front of each other come on. I think they people get anxious that they can't do when someone else is in the room with them. Because you think that's such a private thing and now you're out and about in a very public place doing it so I come. I don't see how man people feel we just paying brother. That's all you gotta do one's bodily functions that guy. He was about to explode. It is the ticking time bomb eight-man Murad is actually I- baffle awhile. I'M GONNA stop. He explosives peas cases. Here what the fuck out of here. Yeah yeah that was the son a big thing to do a little bit and see you experience something similar to that was in house. They say our our doing the day chat. It's great to have you here. Hey if he just getting in here if you can tell by the scroll below today we got a a lot of variety stores for you. Some movie stops video game stuff We have the what they say might be the director of Doctor. Strange Sam Ramey. We'll talk about this year. We see we feel about a just one Mo Indiana Jones. Just one more man and then when I swear they were done yeah. This will be the one. This'll the one I can see. Why is it worth? It is a life of this man. We're going to do that castle in the News Eh. Trumping comics in borderlands out. There you gotTa talk from the Borderland thank you for the correct shot adding to it and I go and let me see what else we got here and one more thing here I think this is for today. What you talking about chats like Harrison Ford one hundred fifty five years old he says is well preserved all that marijuana? He's been smoking. Keep them alive. I guess up. Good for the Indiana Jones but I'll say I got I got it. I know how to do this. Do this chats giving us a little preview. Yeah sounds the hell is going on. And what the ooh. Jesus what the fuck happened to her. Wow she'd been holding up here for a long time splitting splits sicknesses grid right the bread that must he's GonNa get toasted isn't that a from saw is that from saw. Jesus Christ fucked up with all right. Tell you what folks. Let's do Tara and thank you for the gift. Assab Sir thank you. Thank you get to the self to cocoa Monroe. Yeah man you see some new toasties up in here. Gift him a sub let them know what a great community is get them used to everything and show them around. If you will please do in tell you what We are going to get started with things. Got Some announcements to make and also we'll get started. GotTa do that right after this break. Oh Man I'm excited about things. Yes sir good some good topics tonight. Yeah we got some good things man. We've got some good things good things going on. That's folks out there on the up and up. Yeah News for you. People We're about to actually about to sell out of something that there were a lot of tickets to sell. Yeah WANNA get everybody in on something getting regular La. I love the glove for the love and get some love from the glove man special screening. Yeah Man Presentation Presentation. Yeah play for the love. Would love got going to tell you folks talks about that few other things. I'm excited about stuff coming up man you so can you not piss people I could do it. Just don't talk to me this is why are you pissing. Don't auto you just can't do it. I'm GONNA follow you. Don't do the harassment way to a more the way more Christmas. We're going to go and get them air. But how you doing welcome back just talking. About how much stock Chris. Why he's pissing? Yeah Yeah I'm away. I'm away to Piss them apart. Pop up now. I'm already go and then you miss your opportunity. Exists going to keep going his right before. I haven't started yet man ZIP ZIP ZIP ZIP. That's when you'll you'll hey have you seen Martin's new style style. He put pictures of himself on facebook. Okay got closer. Greg googled booklet. Thank you on again. The the subs over there. Thank you appreciate it. Yeah Y- think his wife is dressing them again here. He was right there looking rockin. That fatty pay regular panty pacman. That's where it keeps US steroids because of the hat. Yeah that's what he's missing a fanny pack with his out. Yeah it'd be it'd be listening. We'll look at the pictures of the Martin up in their guy Stairs you're low. How Mars hands of bigger than his here by the way Mar.? We're GONNA have you haven't seen the gym membership to you. This living your best life Greg Google book. Thank you thank you man. You guys have been so generous tonight. Yeah let me tell you what that's important now. Have you been here you. You've heard the whole spill. We GonNa tell you again. We're trying to reach. We're trying to reach a certain amount of subscribers by by the time may has done but we'll let you guys know that we do have some small goals for you to keep you to keep you satisfied why you give so much much to us to give you a little something for your generosity large or small you know. We have a goal of fifteen hundred subscribers. We're GONNA play some weird wacky just downright crappy games as as I say. Maybe we'll be the weird wacky crappy players and good games and it's going to be entertaining either way. Put some other things in that stream kind of getting close to it too. I know I've seen it in very close us. Bombers have fourteen hundred almost fifteen hundred some bad shit. May each other miserable came at all for you could pay about yourself fucking selfish Mary. Gee this is why people can't get ahead around here Chris. I that kind of attitude right there. Jesus Christ you see them working with people look at it got a a new haircut. Now it's all about me so good just life is doesn't make I had my rise and I'm just the precipice about out to fall again today. He's a mobility Brooks little bit of five thousand subscribers. Now you put that out there. Yeah Yeah you're hoping we'll see. You're a very optimistic but five thousand subscribers. Twelve Hour Stream folks. All thank. You broke N. P.. Wow how for fourteen hundred biddies. Thank you broke thank you. That's very nice of you bro. It's happening is it. Are we doing this and I shall we on this. Oh Oh and this dog just ducks look similar. Dogs it for the love of Jesus Students. Yeah let's get three See what happens level. Three and then we'll get hype and then we'll get high dance as we. Oh Shit sit shit. Look at look at they try. They try to close a forty four percent right there. We'll see what happens. It's creepy creep is there. I look at this get height Sarah gotta appreciate it. Yeah we better get hyped up in here. I know some New People at the hype was us. What is this hype? You get hyped. We get there. You might just live long enough to experience sir. True heightened to any of the other St Street people do get hyped. Yeah people you don't know what it's like up here. You know people come up in here and they get hype. Don't come up in here. If you have no hype. If you are anti hype take they should someone. I don't need it. No don't don't want it. Don't need a listen. We do need some that far down scrubbers. That'd be good now it'd be nice. Do Twelve hour stream you guys Eh. Stream can be is going to be equipped to is going to like. I say we used to seven our streams around here. That's true of five hours ain't nothing and shit to us also also the thing that we have to reach by May by the way we would like to reach twenty five hundred subs we do that. We will release Hashtag the Coleman cuts or Hashtag released. The Coleman Cutoff has been trending for days days days man day people people have been demanding this ever since the legend goes that. Corey Coleman Guess Korey Coleman in front of you. The Choreography Koi comb legend. Has it they say that somewhere. There is a five hour cut of space jam that he directed Shit but it was too good for the people out there too much to show it To good too long. They said that you. Core Coleman was a better than than Michael Jordan you probably are did all his dialogue but because Jordan is Jordan. Yeah so you know you want to hear him but they say that the home console much better. We might be able to wash that. Let's get uh-huh Corey Crayon on camera hurts. Think about a band reused my life The pudding be balancing. We're GONNA make it to his level. Three yeah I don't think that's going to happen. I don't mind getting a little. I don't think that's going to happen. I like the star of the hype. It was five fifty seven percent right. There it's okay. Can we make y'all can we now demand. No I'm not budging. That's that's why if you sell yourself cheap. That's why people want to invest and you believe in you. I'm holding tight right now. I I am doing shit until we get to level three. That's why I've lost the expectations. Exactly exactly if we allow them to get hype when we say they have to go higher. Then they won't do. We'd hold them to a higher standard respect. They'll never they'll never grown listen to the gifted sub. Thank you in percents near the pep talk inspirational speech the director of space jam. And then you go man. I have influenced your two-thirds away there. We'll see if it happens opens. People don't deny the new people tightness no. Don't do that experience so we can all get hype. Exactly what are you. The high menace isn't alive responsibility. I know the tightness is in your hands. Now will you give your titties. I have loved the show. I'm working air to this. Could be the hype right. Take all handful. I hear that it begins hype. You actually grow real titties donation folks. Oh aw almost there. Almost there almost there. We're GONNA do it. Oh it's done it's done as a success. It was a success to sorry I'm looking and I'm like no We didn't get high low. Yes folks we appreciate Sha effort though. Yes we do we do. I really want to do it. I did I swear to you wanted to. But as I said we let this slide is once that hi trade will roll all over US extra. We had to let them sleep. We hype is not cheap anymore around at least level three. No no I wanNA booty anybody the twerk in people. What we'll see what happens on the show? You know you never know surprise us our wait till you we'll be going to come back and getting the show. Okay okay with you. I'll allow it. Will you allow that. Yes mastodon spoke this joke. Sorry Sir it's okay. I'll I'll allow this job and I got to combine the two pigeon master agent Master Herman Semester. Last thing I want uh-huh oh my God. Oh I'm sorry I didn't know you heard Mr Herman a paging Mr her whole life my entire now. It's okay give me man I love and hate a love hate relationship with him because he's so funny and weird but also because you're like me we earn like forever. Do you really want Ashtray Bitch bag did not get on your nerves really want that Baghdad. You don't like the googly. Mom trying to change things up keeps things different. Keeps things Friday fresh like your hair. Yeah the I want like only googly subtle subtle. It's like Oh it's subtle yet. It makes you aware the something's happening. Exactly yeah take me off guard TRAE BITCH A lot. I people got to fifty nine. Wow I tell you what people because usually yes. They're chatting everybody says yes. You ought to get those we got enough people say. Nah Great. Google Muga Del. Keep Great Nick. The ninety year old man up in cracker thinking one hundred babies appreciate broke three. Thank you for the subscription. Oh you guys so continental thank you guys. How are you Listen listen to give you some analysis before we get into We get into the show. Got Some exciting things to tell you. First of all New York seems to be happening. Good would make him progress on our show in New York double toasted live in New York. You know we You know if you've known double Tosa while while we just kind of blown up doing a live comedy now we go places we do a live comedy show own version version of comedy show. You know people do stand up. We do sit down comedy. That's right. Sit Down Comedy. We have The visuals and everything is hard. Yeah that's my workman animated Chinaman try lifting all this up carrying this. And you're manipulating the entire time. Exactly exactly I got flat feet standing up. Stand up comedy tired. Yeah Eh yourself now. We do a good show. We do a great comedy show for you. Folks interactive we. You know we get the crowd all amped up and everything. It's a lot of fun last. Show we did in La Los Angeles that was a sold out. Show had over three hundred people show up when he was posted like let through over three people in my lead slide. A little bit over the Fire Code. Yeah Yeah it was not supposed to be more than three hundred people in there but I let about ten more people report out or don't tell them but a hope to get three hundred people plus if we can in New York. We have a sponsor Sir we We got an agent sponsor and the thing is getting done professionally not that wasn't up professionally on On Iron I got some really great venues. Chicago goal was amazing man but let somebody else handle that so I can actually cause for sure. Of course we're going grow. I guess dog gotTa get down the oldest daughter. She's done cherry possibilities. And then you're not feeling overwhelmed the entire time. I hope you don't have to use the bathroom. He's got that look he's GonNa go to the cowgirl you go okay over here instead. Napoleon are you serious so that don't do this. Is that what she does when she's like. I gotTa Go Repeat Rain Dogs in here man. She's probably got to use the bathroom because I gave a chicken Patty Oh from from Jack. The buccaneers Oh Geez. It's a ticking time bomb on those should have known better dog probably looking for spots like what's a good spot but she she never. She never uses the bathroom in indoors. I would figure but hey man. We've got a Jack in the box. Checking the back Jack all out in the back. There's going to be an issue dragging the cracker. You'll back you and I hope the daughter go use the bathroom. Yeah I don't WanNa get worse. She seems he's happy. Okay all right. She's going a little bit look at me and she's GonNa do this that's what she does she does she she. She has this little ticked weekday. She does like something goes ahead so she looks at me. She's like the here. It's probably playful heart. Jesus man is dog prior to go the bathroom issue going on the couch. She going to she's She's by the door. Not Not not the closest door into here into this little room. Not The door. Okay okay. Well let's see we're not the one that locks you inside of it. I'll be fucked. We locked in here. The dogs of free. Yes the all right. Well why she's doing that. We'll see some dogs Komo wipe out here in town and I don't like leaving the dogs. uh-huh uh-huh right and I was already out. took him to the park. So traffic was shitty man. Traffic was awful so I brought the dogs here with me because I didn't want to go all the way the home and drop them all share passing by the studio okay so I was like I just come here in prepare but why here people is that like. I'm just that much of a dog. Praise take them everywhere. I go right but it's the dog I take Shit. Oh she's good. She's going to be away from us. This hype the hype and I don't want to be part of this show. I don't WanNa part of this at all. I'm GonNa just GonNa Relax just by Mojo together. Yeah go ahead and do that what she's doing it so you look at. This is GonNa Happen poops. No No. She's good oh good girl later shoots go do something the later. I'll do pay attention. Okay okay all right look at it. Don't look no one if you look at you. If you don't move she can't see man. We're not yeah. Don't look at it enough. Yes absolutely nothing. I'm either. Oh Oh yeah fuck this blanket on this happened. She shown dominance blanket. Look at. She's about to have sex with his look. Look at this okay I looked. She's Lagazio Ono to take Alabama. You gotta go out mad. She talked to Jeppe you. Talk to the CIA. I'll tell you what I'll pull up scare me like I'm sorry. I just want to make sure that lean just as this. That's that's the back of the bus executive. Hold back their all right. I can talk to the chat conversation. We'll take a quick commercial break and I'm GonNa let you talk to the chat now going to try to let her out to shit and all right all right. I'll be right back and should me at long you. She's a little dog. I can't take a break. I just took one too soon. It's going to be me for go ahead all right I'll be right back. How you doing guys are a bathroom? Jack in the CRAG now let's come up with a horrible nicknames the Jews yes guys now hold. Everyone's doing very well. Tonight got a lot of fun topics by the way. Everyone of the recent support with a big crumbs. Our our numbers of youtube has been going up. It's been awesome to see you guys binding the show so thank you so much seriously. It's a blast new. This we have a lot of other things plan for the future. We're we're interested in doing those yet not quite yet but hopefully in the next few weeks when we got a few things squared away building not content overall Christo. Forget your son or your view. Oh thank you it was a genius. Five five one seven Kevin. Thank you so much of the subscription depreciate that I will I will. I'll tell you this right now guys. I'm going to see the sonic film and we'll probably talk about APEC crumbs. I know they're a Korean Martin. They're going to be doing their regular view on. Probably what the Movie Review Extravaganza. But I wouldn't be surprised if we do like spoiler review. You're discussion of some kind about film on a big crumbs weed comes out probably on Saturday. I would have had time to have seen the films enabled to go to these critics screens. So yeah I'll I'll do that. I'll probably review on my street as well so they'll be able to a whole bunch of sonic for everybody. Thank you clean up a little bit trim. The Beard Gone Nice Haircut. Pretty good thank you so much guys. I have not seen birds of prey yet. I will be checking. I'll probably w either on Friday night or sometime this weekend. I'm going to be fair with it. I have heard a few things about the film that have have has concern even if the trailer that had me concern initially like the one thing that I was worried about is that there wasn't going to be a lot of focus on the birds of prey themselves. Like it was all going to go towards Harley Quinn like I know like Margot Robbie and Harley Quinn characters what selling this is weird to me that they they're using the birds of prey with this character. I always wanted made more sense to me that they did like a film of Gotham city sirens. where it's Harley teaming up with poison ivy and cat woman and then you don't have as many characters in that to the you'll have to you? You know develop throughout the film so but I'm GonNa give it a chance. I have heard some good things. I watched a review the Cory Martin did and they seem to enjoy it. I'm I'm going to give it a shot and you'll find you'll hear about my thoughts probably sometime this Monday. Maybe talk about on Saturday now. It's good sorry man. Is Jack Gone now no she just took a piss that still worry he could come in any moment. She went up there and she did that whole thing. She did that dog. The dog shit walk. We walk into WADDLE WADDLE did Now is repairing repair for that. That release was about to come out and just he's just pissed. It's okay as it is about to take shouldn't have one leg went up like she had her back leg goes also. She takes a piece of the sheriff's Trimble's I can't hold this. Maybe she was intimidated by you. Watch it from the bath. Let's talk has made her anxious people. Here's the dog. Here's US right here Pixie so I think she just wants some attention man so so girl has become nest burrow in nist. There you go girl. She's and other things you you got it then saw colder was. She's at fuck this yes he ran Benxi. We're back to the door. It is called. Yeah all right folks. So here's the deal. I'm sorry about that. Just want to make sure the dog was okay. I don't want a dog the little fixing so he's going to be new. York is getting sponsored by the end of May and we'll let you guys know what's happening They're going to give us give us some details pretty soon. Would there looking for venue right now. pricing we're going to get together and we're also trying to figure out. We can do some things bigger than what we've been undoing before maybe guest. Wow okay yeah you know trying to figure out how to add more value to the tickets and give you some special things itself. Yeah they've come up with some great great ideas man some packages and stuff so yeah yeah this this could be pretty cool now. The other thing I'm GonNa get through this because we already already Wasted time we waiting for the doctor. Should we haven't conversation conversation. Cou Cou. He didn't fuck did not going to be in. La I will be La March. Sixth and I'm going to La. Get some love from that glove right there for the love of a glove. That's the Michael Jackson. Awesome story as told by the glove spark. Could we actually. who has Google's in the mouth but I'm going to be there? That's a Friday march six. I'll be watching with you guys and we already have a group of people. We have a group of believe at this point. Now we have fifteen tickets reserved for us to go see this as a group berated so tin nice that means we got five tickets left to go see this. We're trying to get this done by next week. So if you're watching right now and you WanNa go I would say get the tickets. It's right now because we are looks like and like I said it was fifteen when I say sell out. It's not like we sell a massive amount of tickets that we have to. We want to see it as a group and we don't want like Take too many chances getting a large number of course so we left it down to fifteen but we got a about five left if you WANNA go the best way to do this people already pretty given this man their money. Don't go buy tickets online or at the box office. Give you money to Christian Tories. He's been on double toasted probably will be back again and he's a good guy. You see them. You know what I'm talking about. sent him your money on Kimmel send him fifty three forty nine fifty three forty nine and now to go to Christian Torres and his memo is at Christian Dash Torres Dash thirty seven spell. It out for you at simple answer. My right yeah. He goes well for people listening. Oh Sure C. H. H. R. S. T. A. N. Dash T. O. R. E. S. Dash Three seven. And we'll all. Aw Go watch the play. We have a good time and then we'll have even bigger hanging out once it's done sounds good. Yeah jaw your pilgrimage. Yeah man that's GonNa be a lot of fun. I'm going to be a lot of fun. You don't WanNa go get some love glove. I won't be able to okay. WE'RE GOT TO SAVE FOR NEW YORK. I guess news going to be fun man. I'm looking forward to it. Thank you all right. Let's see we have here all right. I guess we'll go ahead and get the show starting in those i. I was getting those topics into them. Topics right there to do that. We'll do that so that we don't have to take any more breaks while we're talking about some of these things we will take more but we'll have to interrupt in the middle of a topic. That's right we'll go into a break right now and we'll be back to get the show going right after large marge for a second I was doing a judge doom. Oh judge GMC. I'm getting on my on my eighties. References France's messed up. You're GONNA judge doing. Yeah man killed you just a love. It freaked me out outside. And what freaked me out back in the day was when he Christopher Lloyd when you didn't know he was a tune getting crushed by that talking. Steam press rolled right over me start. He was still human until he finally came up and said Oh he then you discover. Doing that was what I knew. He wasn't human because I said whereas the blood was like during the time it was a man he killed shoe. Fuck him yeah. That's true that look. I said I think that's a hard thing for me to watch fucked up seeing shoe but the died. Yeah acid maybe about how you do. That's fucked up cemented way. We're talking about who free Rodrick Russia. The Modern Day version framed Roger Rabbit. Yeah Man all right let me see here. Let me see us going into some the topics right here right now man okay. Let's see what we got here. All right folks. Let's go ahead and get things started getting started right now. Let me just Mike Okay. Let me just mad dog good too. Yeah she's good she she may have word to say about this. Let's get things going. Let me see here Sam Ramey now. He's a good guy man. Sam Guys all right Sam Ramia might know Sam Ramey. You can Z.. Sam Ramey right here. Apparently who shot heroin before we got to the set. He's always lethal sale sale. Saying we're GONNA do the the season about him as A. He wears a suit every single day when he's filming then eventually like your production hours or so long. You're going to sweat through that God having a heat stroke a mess. So that's probably the end of the shooting. This drew coming out of the Strip off my mom Sam on you but you know. He's he's considered regardless of this goofy guy. He's considered a horror master. He has actually made some of the most horrifying films in cinema history. Isn't they killed. My uncle still out. God Oh said trump uh-huh oh man. Oh is they they. They read out the show what they could hear the last man to this is right here man now. The that'll say hard. They left out of the trailer. fucking epic music. So the scariest. Parts of the movie didn't spoil You want to be a surprise for audiences bully wasn't oh my God boy. Oh Jeez who can who can remember. Let me see here. Who who can? Who can forget the horace? I speaking of fresh speaking of fresh and Dope funky fly skip and get the Harza Spiderman. Three the park. Connor's here. Dr Connor are you. Jesus that is horrified. A tweet him at Goop is chick. ooh He's like Dr Peter uh-huh uh-huh who are you spend. This is terrifying. Great here's marker. Chemistry is not unlike writing meteorites. Seventies is all here. We go audience right now. you see how terrified terrified. These people aren't as he walked down the street. No it's they are member Martin would not he will not stand down his movie. Man pulled his Cena's the best because Martin. If you don't know Martin Martin Love Spiderman three that likes but love spider-man. Piece of Shit yes. It's the superior film. Okay come on at least look at the scenery. You can love the rest of the this shit right here. You have to admit this is bad. Doc Martin the funky fresh looking back. It says he's just he's just walking. When I'm walking down the street all the time I said Martin I said next time next time Eh? Downtown Austin a walk like this. I dare you dare you walk like that. It just walking mother. You'll be arrested. Shots are so good. Shut the fuck man. Listen I'm no Phantom McGuire Spiderman but like him trying to be like dark smoothness it's so cringe Asia the fuck they were going for God. Damn it's terrible. I hate this movie. No Mo person has ever been like this no coca toby. I'm sorry man. fucking looking like a teeny youtube right the cup that fucking. Oh Peo got somebody I. I'm not reading this paragraph from the dissertation three does Best Spiderman. NFL with that franchise to adult brain. Issue Chris Walker says we love you do not bring him careful little brain. We got tired to sit down and read like you said a whole dissertation about why that scene is spider man is meaningful. Who why that works? Come on don't meadow come up here to get them college paper the famous Spider Man Guy too so we make sure that we see yoga. Read this shit. I'm not reading gave us the spark notes version is it still bothers butterflies people that understand the nuances yoga. That's right arena semantic but I'm sorry go ahead. I was just saying that led. There's all the other aspects we could just fucking show reviewing this really could but like I'm just thinking of James Franco these movies all of them. He's a different character in every single. Fill Komo consistency here. I mean when he wants to murder Peter Parker is the new super villain but then he gets him Nesia and he just acts like a doofus. He's he's like he's like I. I like food like everything's just nude hairy this this movies this will be awful. It really is this movies. I'm sorry this franchise. I'm sorry I think there's movies terrible man yeah Yeah yeah it it it it it really did it. I mean mean you won't allow cameras looking like that. He just direct to spiderman three went through a whole ordeal dead now. He didn't want Venom in that movie but a lot of that was still him trying to brush. I didn't want any of this. You take some of the blame of that Sir. I'm sorry man. I'm sorry I'm sorry did. Did you like did that similar. Dennis fucking everybody not a great character guys but now he's about go out in He's been he's been touted to direct a another superhero movie. That's right you know dabble in Haryana hard. You'll a superheroes about me back into it and saying that he is in talks to perhaps direct the next doctor strange movie in the multi-diverse of madness and this follows right here. Of course everybody knows this follows the two thousand sixteen movie where any homeless person can walk up the street and be a wizard. I don't believe chuckers or energy or the power belief you don't believe in cough drops that American accent. I never understood. Just just talk like I don't believe talker. Our adopt symbols are call syrup. Fuck was yeah like a guttural. That's guttural accent between the Hamlet Bert Gravelly chuckers or energy or the power this. PC rocks hurts to hear that sound like like like that homeless American Bliss. I mean he's living rough. Eaten his beard ingrown. Yeah I know it's true is there is a hair grown in your throat inside your throat. CHAKA's sore energy or the power. He just stuck his British accent. Nothing wrong that would care the change at around. But Hey you know what everyone agrees though. Despite the minivan gravel a lot of people think that he's a he's been a great character air. This movie is so cool. It was a very different film for Marvel. And because it's one that most trippy films. Yeah introduced magic to the university. Yeah Yeah introduced sorcery and magic in there. As I said you know this went to the what what the the what side. The medical side are. Magic's magical size supernatural side and what they said Scott Derricks. Can you wait I mean. Did somebody say supernatural. I think he took this because he said Oh you know what I can make. I can do some tricky things with this man. You know I can. I can dabble awesome weirdness right here but just props that when this is a hit on it it will be potty. It will be like that toasty goodness it will be a hit but just promise me because that's what marvel does just promise me that when it is you. Let me bring a Har- Dr Element to Spooky Spooky is out there. Marvel said allow it sure. Hey Yeah we'll do all that. Yeah Yeah Yeah what. The fuck movie went on to make a lot of money to him but he's going to be huge character. Who Big key character and the events that followed with the Infinity Gauntlet and wars and all that kind of stuff? And then that's when Scott Derricks Acheson came back and said. Hey where's Mehari and they say you know you're you're right through the door uh-huh sorry puppy man you know you. What do the kids so that we did say you can do a horror movie? We didn't see you could do it here. Yeah and they they they they. I don't know what happened. We none of us knows what happens with this What happened with this? What's the famous phrase creative differences the differences which usually means that? You're not let me do what I WANNA do. Exactly you know I understand. I gotta work within your guidelines. But you're not letting me me actually do not let me be a different take as many risks as I think we should be taken. That's right so Scott Dirksen is out they say is very amicable. You know he's these days you know as they do in business buys talking shit against each other. That's true I mean even said that Tapscott back in the future. Yeah Yeah Project which will be cool man because he you know what he really did do A. He didn't awesome job with this. This phone again. I just thought how many introduce magic than me that make sense it was overly complicated like all right. Explain everything and you made a fairly entertaining filled the same time to really cool character. I never thought we would ever see on screen so good on you. Yeah Yeah Yeah you know I I think that I think the choice that they have to bring in Sam Raimi is a good one. It's a it's also supported by Scott Derek's because what they said was they said that Ramey is in talks and we're GonNa talk about how we feel about this. You heard all this news but Ramey isn't talks. It's right now not confirmed that he's directed he's talks negotiations with marvel. Scott Dirksen Sips Look Easy and I'm not gonNa tell you what I lose. Yeah Yeah fucking. He's in yeah. You sent out a tweet today. We says I worked with SAM. Raimi one of the nicest people known in the film business and as director a true living legend. What a great choice to take over doctor? Strange it's positive. I think it is a great choice. A Really WanNa find out what happens when Sam Raimi guessing the marble and says as you know what What's my vision? Well I like to do this. Aw It back on the pitch you uh-huh well we're going to go. You know. Go back. Swallow your son. Yes director of evil dead. That's what I WANNA know. Man You know what is it about. Scott Derek's the nets is he. He just plain okay With the you know was he. What was the vision of Scott? Erickson had that that was so different from somebody like Sam Rainsy with Har- elements that they had to bring another hard director. I because they feel so similar to each other in a way. The only thing I can think of is that Sammy has operated within a big studio doodo system lot longer than Scott Dirksen. So maybe he's just able to all right if you're not gonNa let me do this. Can I do this. Maybe negotiate more. Maybe you know exercise. His overall vision to placate Marvel Spiderman films. He did with couple of other movies with People forget me did that. Oz adaptation the the wizard of YEA. which again he's worked at in this world for a lot longer? He's like apparently him. And Kevin Feige are very good terms of each other. Yeah to you gotta understand ended a this because I want to get your opinion. What I'm thinking is yes? This is a guy that has done like some extreme harvested. He did hire so crazy that he he had to make comedy out of it to to emphasize. Yeah but I said it more dramatically. No that's one of my favorite movies man and the first one I like I went to or Phil. That's a straight horror movie but this one I love so much because I was I was watching. it was late at night I was watching. Hbo And this she came. Hey Mon Mike is a bad ass scare move and they start doing all this goofy shit and I was like you know what I don't know what's going on here but I love this. I love this series. Yeah yeah it like we can see like you feel like you had stick on our own try to Fuzz it out and we see that the way the the the bane attendance even wiggling behind it just to stiffen the hardest the plastic toy there but no I think the the thing is. I don't know what Scott Dixon has done. Always done sci fi but I'm uh-huh straight Hor. He's just the films I'm saying he's done straight Har- right but outside I understand he's done like saw five. But Sam Raimi's amine main stem Ramey. I I would imagine that marvel. Even though they weren't they had nothing to do with this much. Respect SAF because you brought the with truly the first the first great big screen version of Spiderman gotten to the people out there save twice and have never even seen his face. Aw I got to tell you I don't even I wasn't even crazy about this but when I saw it but I said this is the best we got. It came in that era of like Blade X.. Men in the Spiderman where this has been there were starting to figure out what the Super John was gonNA eventually evolve into. This is definitely a testing ground and it wasn't it wasn't a success for a time Spiderman to like you. I'm not the biggest fans interpretation of the character but I have a respect for its influence on the genre itself. Yes so you know. It's a first of all you. You paid respect to the character when it came out you got it right for the most part. I'm thinking I don't think you got it right but you got a better than anybody else. Got It better than anyone of yes but also you know being that you worked with superheroes you really know how to get the superhero thing right. Maybe that's what what was missing from Scott Derricks and it was like. Hey look you wanNA bring I know you wanNA bring some hard to this but you've gotta realize it's still at PG thirteen superhero. Maybe Remy knows how to strike that balance and that's why Marvel Marvel was more accepting of whatever his vision was going to is going to be. And that's okay and then you balance you can add the superhero stuff. which is what we want to but then you can have your horror and you obviously have your comedy happy? Because that's what he also is very good at the camp to in the yet he can also bring the humor and all that so. Yeah you know which Scott Dirksen deal with doctor strange. I thought he did well not everything. Not every joke. Hit it but He did a good enough job. Yeah but see. Everybody keeps mentioning these things. I keep mentioning spider-man evil dead we're GONNA get a mixture of these things right here. He knows knows how to balance was out a lot of people. Keep forgetting that he did a superhero horror movie longtime ago. Frying has a new enemy. The justice as a brand new face was afraid that you wouldn't want anyone to want to good news is that I know who's behind Chris. DOC was Kinda hot back in the day doorman that I didn't know you know why because he doesn't look pissed off evermore. She says she's mad as fuck you. You know the idea. That's that's Frances mcdormand. Coen brothers drove her crazy mad shit or she stressed stressed out. I was like fuck man. I seen this movie like several times. I've never known that was her. She Wa- She was fucking hot. Yeah Man I yeah no. It's a look I'm not. I'm not trying to talk about Francis Dorm and the day I want to say but it's not like a shitty right now but that's A. We were recognized honest here this is when she was very very young. Hell yes people that they're looking at Willem. dafoe day no. I'm fucking around not bad for a freshman dorm very talented. Seo and you know and and she is beautiful but back then it was like damn. She's very pretty. Yeah yeah man which the corner what happened. It was time there was missing. Yeah I've seen bliss simple. Yes she's in to a end she also plays plays like this real hot chick Kinda ditsy in raising Arizona right. Yes she plays the the wife that dumb ass husband the trailer trash couple. Yeah yeah she's had a hotness out that course of course I don't think her you know we we see we typically see an in all different mcdormand nowadays day. Exactly you forget you never forget. Never forget me hot mega mcdormand. Yeah I would. I don't even know when we're talking about who we thought would be of great director for the new doctor strange. We heard that Scott Derek. Some was out that's right. I'm surprised you bring up. Sam Ramey no but someone else in the chat did and we were a little dismissive of this completed. Think of such a good idea. We did not think not as smart as we were like advocate. You know because honestly in this like when I first heard this news what. I'm excited for this. Because I had finished by that time the rest of Africa evil dead producer writer director on that. It's like okay so again. He's doing what he loves with that. His original creation. But My big concern is just. Haven't I've enjoyed all of his films. I've enjoyed a lot of his superhero movies. Like like you. I'm not the biggest fan of his of his Spiderman trilogy. I know I know a lot of people are like. They're spamming that they grow up one. But I didn't care for it. I didn't like the his odds movie he did. I forget what it's it's called talking about because I thought so much. CGI in green screen lost plot and that was then. That's that's the one thing that has me a little concern. He's kind of to a degree like Gemmell Doto in a way for me where I think del Toro is at his best when he's working for smaller budget and tell him to smaller story story and when he gets all this money then he then he makes stuff like the hell boy films or Pacific Rim or Crimson peak which. I don't really care about anything that's happening here in just showing me spectacle but there's no context that's when he's working small like with the taste of water whatever shade wash. She's much better. Yeah no agree and I feel that same way about similar however I mean maybe I don't know. He hasn't directed a film in what seven years at this point. Maybe is that what is it. That long was the last one did came on a while ago. And you know that is movie man. I can see why mom was looking at him. They say first of all you combine a couple of things you know you brought in you. You combine a superhero. Now's that was a rated R.. Movie but we show you can pull it back but you made a superhero horror films true and you made it kind of funny and now. He's besides the gorgeous in here and there's a lot of actually. Yeah Yeah it's still. It's a straight up superhero film but The other thing is like well. You're also a great candidate because you've worked with You've worked with a lot of green screen you know you've worked in a big fantasy. Area would huge special effects MISCAST was to raise goes pudding. Pot hit on hot air. I love third also the trippie images man which still look at that. Imagine that you know doctor. Strange that little effect is cool. But I'm looking at all the backgrounds. Just how fake everything looks. And that's online. That's why you can have in doctor. Strange they give you extra doses. CG and of course this they stand out maybe. I don't agree with all the movies. Maybe I like these movies to varying degrees. 'cause I don't hate this movie. I thought this movie is okay. I didn't think I didn't think it was good. I actually what am I talking about anything. Good I thought it was just bland. I didn't like it at all. Those boring yeah they. They got lost in their special effects. Yeah Yeah Yeah. But they had some hard in the middle of it somewhere they have some good parts bad moments but that makes them a great candidate handed it to do to direct. This does doctor strange. I've warmed up to the idea you know and I want to see him. I WANNA see him. Do another superhero film. Get another crack at it. You know because you did Spiderman films and I had a big fan of them but let people do love them. Let's see him delve into a completely new character. Who So unlike Spiderman this the kid in Queens who puts on a leotard? This guy's a magician going to different dimensions so maybe he'll bring something completely unique to it. Really Salt Spiderman trilogy. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I'm looking forward to one. He'll do with this man and like I say I don't know why we didn't think of it at first but yeah these the perfect candidate good choice. Yeah Yeah. So it will get groupie bruce that Bruce Campbell Cameo. He'll bring every movie bring amendments. You put like a creature something like that. Yeah yeah or even saying that. I don't know how they would do this with the rights or whatever but owns the evil dead licensed but one of the dimensions they could maybe look into. It's the National League Shit. Don't do no let's not do. This is not going to happen. No don't do don't do not know what the mother bug on. No No. I don't want them here now. They got their Easter. Eggs represents Ono. No you ruined it for me. Now will you accept the Necker Namakonha when he pulls out a Charles. I don't know just make a gut. They're moving let us down his own. I wanted to them doctor. Strange pull up a chainsaw. I don't want to see this shit. Cool damp you know. You've got to be looking like you know looking at the end of the second. Fill the JOE mob. You know not only see none of this shit although be kind of cool to get seen a doctor strange group and down the street magic bitches book looking at the the biggest pop Colin box itself group strange hockey. Look at this chick I should like bitch you doing. What's wrong with him? He's on a beat. So has right out. The puck is wrong with you. Ever notice her before down the street dancing and shit all right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back after this Ma bring up that old shit little shit about Oz the great and powerful. That's the name of the movie This you gave a full price man back in the well Jason Opinion. I can change my mind. That's true. Sit me I'll fuck the real young react to you is the rental motherfucking spam. Yeah Man Yeah Oh you see ooh to pull off a mask and his Martin ooh he still bailing email. You know what I love to get back there. I loved the people catch on to describe this dude. It's a Flimflam Man Flimflam Flan man. Now the calling me the Flimflam man. It seems like I'm lying. You flimflam welcome back people. Let me see okay. Let's go to the chat and talk to them about. I'll tell you about the flimflam lead. Maybe it'll pop up in the next doctor strange but desolate. I've been canceled. You've been canceled away Eh. Why they don't like the spider man? I guess I like the Raimi's spider man. I don't think I don't think it's as great as people allows gets age. Well I think this compares. I think it's aged in much the same way that the burden Batman films did like their impressive with time but man. Frances mcdormand was was really cute on a high school picture but she was killed. fucking cute I am. I'm surprised to of course Chris came. MSA gave it a full part. He's mad about spider man's. We'll get my benches will convert that old shit again. Remember Chris Rock Talk About Spiderman. Three you call them. And who gives it a matinee. You got bullied on that review on did well Spiderman three. Yeah Man I remember that gave that and thinking transformers the matinee. No okay the first one the first one I bring it down to a rental but at the time man that was just like I really hate movies man. I just like fuck it. It was it was a bad year. I was like avoidance is like at fucking go man. Yeah Man Cove Matinee go and see it spiderman three matinee at the time but I think at this. There's there's three movies I regret and I'M GONNA I'm GonNa say this. There's almost saying there's one that I stand on now that still salvation Asia now probably bring that down to a matinee Terminator Salvation Right so basically I still stand on because I love especially today you'll see how bad these terminator movies are at this point man and I'm looking attendant like man. That's the only one that was trying to do something different. Something different. Yeah you're right and it really wasn't that bad. The people really hate on that because they spoil the movie and people thought that they want to keep seeing the same thing and it has worser nager and all that it went off it just went way too far some people behind the scenes bad press to Christian Russian bill. Yeah yeah yeah the bad press. That was there that movies Riley. We would not bad. I'll go but I'll take the hit on a man but I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA stand by that film. Dan which I find picture. She's actually real cute. The other one is Indiana Jones and the crystal skull. You're going to save that one for later. I'll bet you never know because I remember I was hanging out with came out I said and this is why this is how I really started down the mall movies. That was a good lesson. Make I came out and said Ma'am I don't know don't feel right and I was hanging around. Martin cargill what you're talking about. That is Anna. Anna Jones movie always great shot old dom initially bit me in the ass and the other one was spiderman. Three hanging out with Martin L.. Look at this and I'm just like man. Thank fucking awful. It really is. It's always awful awful man. It was terrible it killed the franchise and Yeah Crystal Skull like I even watching in the theater. Houses terrible is not what I want. They were completely misunderstood. Why people really liked about Indiana Jones? We'll get into in a bit but yeah they'll yellow right. They say coma was very goebel man back in the day naive. I know it was man if I was ain't around do three people and everybody's like this is good. This is another reason why I don't like to look at too many views news ahead of time. I don't like beer. I don't really have discussions pants and this is why you know I'd just don't listen to people now I don't I walk out with a clear head and I'm that's it a number one another spiderman three moment definitely one another Indiana Jones right right. That's a fucking blotch on my record. Write your hold it against me home. Take me up on my toes and just roast meal fire now. I deserve every bit because never let me forget what happened with well. Desolate talking to the chat. REQU dessler says on a doctor. Strange thoughts one Kevin Foggy better stand back and give Karimi full control. That ain't having. You're not on board with with Kennedy's plan you're gone. That's Edgar Right. They could not see. That's what happened Oh Jocelyn I was GONNA say Edgar right just Weeden was there. was somebody else wasn't there On man for a gripe atman Josh Sweden Adventures from they. They allow disagreements over altron. The might be another person. I don't remember. Oh let's see that ain't happening. No I think but apparently really they like each other so he says I don't want his return to the superhero world looking like Looking like what does this. Anc What does Oh another MC movie. It isn't moving into the formula but again experimented with different genres at this point. That makes them stand out and you see see to. I would take spiderman three over both the main spiderman movies in the Mc you what does this Mc you rich kid it spiderman do they we can no no. I don't don't say about Tom. Holland is he's mice. Bite like my Spiderman. No I love that kid no unless you know man three crisis counselor for preferring the MC. You rich kids spidey movies to the Ramey trilogy. No Man oh I can tell you something about Spiderman Castle me too man. I'm sorry like good things. Can I tell you about Spiderman. I didn't hate them. That hate the first bottom and about long Asia. Now I look back on it now. Zero could have been a lot better when I first saw. Aw I liked it man. I thought I got a lot of respect for got a lot of respect for Spiderman Sam Raimi's Spiderman movie. But when I walked out I said everybody's GonNa go crazy about this film and it's another. I'll probably get the full price thing like well. I don't want to be the gun and saying sure sure but I remember walking down saying there's a lot of things that they got wrong with Spiderman. First of all. He's happy when spider man makes no jokes at all serious. He's so dry and it's not that like listen. I know that Peter Parker is a nerd. but You you knew something was wrong. Same Army loved the Nineteen Sixty Spiderman comic. This film takes place in Modern Day. You're applying those those. How people talk how he I'll spiderman isn't the sixty two modern day doesn't work but you have socially awkward and weird well even back then? He was cracking jokes. He was like the bill is always. Jesus Jesus Fuck Fuck up you could get. The best. was always cracking jokes man. I hate the green goblins costume. Terrible arose terrible. I mean and they did to the credit they did try to do a faithful. Yeah Lou yeah but this is just like as it's not working for your character the characters look as hard to sell onscreen it really. They've never gotten a right. I just thought they could all green or purple secondary color in there. Yeah Asa purple and their Goddamn Dickhead. He's got a phallic helmet of his ashes. And I thought that there was a moment's here where I thought I thought that was terrible. I thought they made There's a moment where wounded foes not in a costume. He's real jokey. Well Peter let let's Talk Shit you can give me another chance the fucking joking now I know and when you say what he say. Hey Man Gazi fighter. I don't know what the fuck they have. Some real forced of marquee moments in their macy gray's artists that they had the home. You can hear it. Ladies and Gentlemen Agree is as Parade Marshal You L. Super Awkward. I never bought. There's no. There's no chemistry between Tobey. Maguire and Kristen percents I didn't mind it. I think it was the greatest but I was like awkward. He's a nerd and she's kind of falling for him you know and then you had James Franco doing whatever the hell. He was doing all three films about him too much. So yeah but they had a lot of things right in there too so it was good. It was a good starting point. It really was it really was and I like I like I like Spiderman two. I like it better than what I saw. I liked I like Alfred. Molina's performance. Yeah Yeah so you know. I didn't think it was the best version of spider man for Spiderman fans. But it's the best version cinematic at the time. Yes yeah so now this vitamin that they got now man they got him right. The only complaint lean on might have is that he really does depend too much iron man. He's dead now though we see happening and I love it now because of the stakes. Aren't that keeps creating super who provide even a depth and they come to him. Well he's going to fuck you. CanNot you might as well be. I Love Ah Yeah. Tell me what bothered by that but I I really liked that. I don't sorry Oh you know what. Let's talk about another superhero out there. Okay let's talk about me Dr Dr Jones Jones Jones Jones. Don't do you like what the fuck you know so man takeaway for me Mrs Jones. Now I have a thing going on that I just change the words man. Okay the Doctor Jones Gotcha one layer. He inducted no. I got Morley early. Expand Y'all going benches goal in a democracy man. That's the point. Yeah Oh if you are the song you know what. I'm talking about man people in the juicy. No that's a that's a that's a popular song now now but do Doctor Joan. I do know him and you know we have adventures going on right. Yeah rate is the dog man. We've I saw off Indiana Jones. What kind of care to Indiana Jones which is somewhat of a superhero? Can't be killed you've got he's got he's got powers of some kind dumb luck. Yeah Yeah that's how we saw. That is a power. Got The charisma of a superhero. Does Indiana Jones man. You know we have gone on a mini adventures with Indiana Jones. and gets up for maybe one. Maybe the two exceptions out there. I like temple the weakest of the trilogy. There's issues with it but there's a lot of good content there and I love. I love his relationship with short round. Yeah I'll just sorry. That's one of the movies that I've tried to like. He went to appear to like his dumb. You know I'm a grown man. I recognize it but then later on like fuck that Yeah I love to do it. Just Fun Kate capshaw one day. I'm like she does now. She's awful she's Tennessee was fucking Spielberg at the time. Man Template Simpler doom at. That's a fun movie stupidest. Fuck but it racist too but it's fun it's a lot of fun to people like me. Like savages some. It's like Oh my God. This is not aged well about a year ago again. I'm like okay this okay. This racists day we eating bugs Paul soap like human eyeball soup. I mean it's not give a shit. I think he just went through a divorce at the time. And that's why he was fucking Kate capshaw sat. He's like I don't care I don't go do it put together. Something Indian person ran into his car. One day I don't know you know that's right it. He was down on the Indian people. I understand the village now. And even. That's not right like the village. The village had people eating bugs and shit yeah with flies over the food wise all the food year but even when they like even when they went to like the hot class part part of the city you know when they hanging out with pretty much royalty. Yeah it's still in fucked up things. Father Human eyeballs humid eyeballs. Ah Money the super super looking at the looking at them and disapproval approval. How dare Jamal this delicacy? He's my favorite villagers. Rock even look at Doug Jones the come on and give up a cow. Disrespectful this is nobody. Nobody was to eat human eyeballs soup and no no they know cow. Those of I've seen cow is those are not cow. Blue is the colors and everything is super got balls like Franks a mattress bluer. No fuck that notable vicious rumors. I seem to remember that. In Your eyes you would accuse the being a grave robber rather than an archaeologist world. The newspapers greatly exaggerated and wasn't hit the gas threatened to capture this dude. This nice dress suit dress do ray here and his nice was. He loves because he's like talking. She's calling indy out and all of his bullshit that you point that he stole these Cultures Racist American. Fuck love it. Keep fucking Ronald put your eyes in his soup. And he's like well I. They belong to the museum later. Island called was once real and did unspeakable things. I'm ashamed of what happened here so many years ago. And I assure you this will never happen again in my kindle girls right the chicks got brains turban on the smart ones you. Don't you burn chicks like this doc. What a skull? You and a tight schools like boy. That's the we know we know. That's a joke. Okay you with me on. Take Coins Corey whispering the Chat Taurus. Yes goddamn Supomoro huge. He's so big. He's leaning got them in Pearl City. Okay I wanna I WANNA is going to be. There's going to be fucked up. How many how many how many black people out there aunt Mama our sister? That's older who got hair like that. got their permit just got dried up one day. Download talking about. I don't think raise raise up maybe wipe UK say but you black people growing up. Everybody had a relative who just gave up on their permit. Should end up looking like that. I'm saying what you talk about. Lookout through Chad is like yes. Yes but you know what I'm talking about everybody. Everybody got a grandma uh-huh houses just nobody w got old grandma. Nobody done here for awhile actually look just like about true. Yes so I'm a grandma's I'd like to do in this shooting. A monkey pretty shivered ice cream. uh-huh like bloody Sherbert. Ice Cream actually was wrong. Maybe I need to cut back. My love of template does not work. They cut that snake opening just downing the emails and everything baby snakes. Jesus fought it is man. Yeah we got we got we got you good ones wonderful. Let's Jones Dan. That was I we do. I did that. She's fucked up. It wasn't me man. Oh and I was young. I didn't understand I'm better now. It yeah but he's like man. If you thought that was you thought I was racist and fucked up back then. y'All see my old crank today. You get off my lawn. The man he's gotten older Harrison Ford has gotten grumpier. He's gone the Indiana Jones. Yeah Jones I would love for him. I would love to see that. I would love to see Indiana Jones and that speech that ahead today with that man man that suit that meals telling him how how they how they stole all his shit is do the right here because back then and he was kind of like I s I I understand I get it. I'm sorry about Dr Raping Your Culture. I humbly apologize but your culture belongs and breath today. He'd be like fuck. You Brown Bitch took your Shit Brown. Fuck you got three fucking arms and whatnot fuck. You don't know how to take care of your shit that's H.. Incursion give. I'm a fuck about you brown socks what you do is you could smoke this. We like Dick Bitch. Yeah you know care. He'll get. I love the old racist crazy as Mad Indiana Jones. He might be there in fact I even take this shit too museum upon that Bitch got rich off your goddamn culture. That's what I did. Thank our care it does movie. Let's do it exellent Grande Torino except here is affords an. That's a great idea. Join up Mel Gibson. Oh Gosh it out this Jones I could sell this jets it goes up against. Libya's belloc is new BELLOC. Yeah I would love to see Mel Gibson. beat the villain in in Indiana Jones moving. Oh Yeah you want to go against me. I got some for you. Released by Packer niggers. Start the aw man is make this the U. DUB in her plane. Listen I hate them shock. I don't WanNa do this. Paris is mad as today. He slow all. I'm doing a ton of weeds. Still pissed off his grumpy grumpy. You know of course talking about them doing Indiana Jones five. Yep It's still happening. Dr Realize that the more we keep talking about this the more time passes the more he ages turn. This ain't no adventure and go somewhere in the ancient times last in reverse it out in the youth the founder Donahue. It's bone dry at this point. Man Let you jump on this Joplin is still got it. My my earring gives me magical young powers excuse me get young unholy love the they give me magical you power. I would love to see Indiana Jones earrings. I mean when this movie's GonNa Start Out. It's going to be in the sixties jewelry. Yeah exactly cozy and he has a way of talking so now he is saying here. It's all done. He's got that you got that grumpy. Talk With Lynn. Well he he got a rev up cusses you out does yesterday. That's right it takes them. I'll get going. It's like starting a lawnmower then I don't give a fuck about your culture brown show this magical powers. They probably all that smoking is. This is the we abuse. I still do this. It's over man eighties. I don't need to quit by the time this movie would come out. They would finish. They've just finished production post production on seventy nine years old. The Harrison Ford. You really are kind of characters. Ever ask you a bad ass man. I I would joke around because that's what we do here but I have the utmost respect for you man you you you do. You know these guys don't his career. He's a legend. Yes the man is a fucking like heroes. He's given us. There's so many icons so many of his films are so my favorite movies of all time but beyond huge really want to do this. You look did you write down a set of the of the crystal skull. That's him happy. I'm excited to be here. The thing is man. He even said he can't wait to be Indiana Jones again. He loves this character he hates on Solo so much. That you're GONNA kill that motherfucker come back well more time and they killed them. He's like take the edge off so you got pinched pitch deeper on kid. Deep you lopsided faced Jewish fuck taper. Kill Me Kill me you in the look I get why. He Loves Indiana Jones. He does man he does and and listen. I get why he wants to do this again. And I understand Dan because as we say in Temple Doom heavily flawed. Yes heavily fly but this the last movie crystal skull that that is a blemish on this series man simply asshole do stunt. They tried to show his face. Now look look how. They've got him running. They got him run his shadow got his face show. Well that's the thing like even when he's doing this he was in his early sixties. He looks so old doing it right but we should even look that old man. Yeah but what they had him doing. Just didn't look we look at someone like Star Wars. The Force Awakens appeared. Doesn't even like anymore. I thought they actually had him doing. He looked he looked younger than you ever had in years. Yeah I think it was. It was very bizarre to me. How even though he made that movie almost a decade ago like a champ he did? I know it's coming. So yeah it's weird again. It makes you better. Make sure I never come back. No thank you no. Thank God the plan to make sure on the planet. Nothing then you gotta kill everybody's Goddamn Planet makes you. Don't do not come back. Is there in the contract lightsaber to the GUT. Bottomless pit plant exploded genocide. No the answer butts. I am gone. Throw mass even threw him in a reactor. No that's not good enough. I don't want no trace. Oh Yeah Yeah I get why he wants to wants to do this man. He wants to kind of come in. It probably wants to do one last movie so that it it actually ends on a good note. Sure he wants to. He wants to go out on a good note. Of course anyone would for series. That made me start here. He doesn't stars at the before. He didn't Indiana Jones. But this is what really put him on the map as a leading man as the center of a particular films so yeah and this is his baby and I gotTa tell you even in the there was some Great Indiana Jones moments in crystal skull. Man I admit I mean even the trailer right here. This line is pure Indiana Jones. Put Your hands down. Where you're you're embarrassing us? You Know I. I think that they did besides him landing fucking refrigerator that was weird. That was crazes. Should you just come on. It was too over the top stop. It came the new jumping. The shark nuked the fridge. The Fridge is that something. That's what it was back then. became the jumping. The shark phrase. Listen I the the whole thing of Indiana Jones in the temple with him going down the raft. A can't happen. We know that yet but at least we can kinda. He landed on something than Salt Snow Right. No it's inflatable ended up air. Yeah I can kind of see that but also help that it look practical that was just some CGI bullshit that has not aged. Yeah yeah that is true so this whole thing right here with what they're doing I think he I I think he played the character. Well by Kind of plan onto his age. I'm getting a little older in grumpy. Sheriff but I thought he played fine. Well my question to you is okay. Let's get this out the way I did. I got opinions on a lot of aspects of this. I'm not worried so much about Harrison Ford as I'm worried about Kathleen Kathleen Kennedy Yeah. I think that her was joined us. Started is uh-huh I think her tenure Lucasfilm has been a mess. It's not where it needs to be the point where they're actually going to just take a break from doing stores movies when they originally planned going to put out one per year. Just put a stop to that within five years. That's ridiculous trying to figure it out. Yeah I you should have figured out before they even started. I've initiated that and with Indiana Jones working on the script for for years. Now this is supposed to come out. What in twenty twenty or twenty nine hundred Gobert onto other projects so and then they keep delaying the older Harrison Ford gets and the harder it is for the buy into him being indie still? I mean I'm I'm to be honest. I mean we'll me one she shouldn't be involved anyway. I think she should just leave and get someone in there who's actually competent. But my thing is is that I think this whole idea of bring Harrison afford back as the swashbuckling adventure. Indiana Jones is the wrong way to go about this bream in the movie. But recast the role. Okay you know again in that more more second. Because I'm thinking there's a lot of things they could do as long as Kathleen Kennedy is involved. You know you already fucked up Star Wars. Now you've got to mess this up to I'm not. There's probably some good ideas going on but I don't have to this. I really trusted confident that trust and now there's not a lot confidence that you're not trusting at all. Do you think that they could do it with him. Still Being Indiana Jones just like him straight like him throughout the entire film No I mean not not as the character. You don't thank you being in a you know. I think he can. He can be in the movie as the character but I was loving additional actor younger actor in there who will then take over the role. My whole thing was like they've talked about or or anyone like look. Listen I believe that Nina Jones franchisers no reason why it can't be something like the James Bond Franchise. There are so many adventures that we can see on screen but take place in the twenties and thirties the forties or whatever and I think a good way to do a swansong to Harrison Ford. Because he's always going to be Indiana Jones forever people's minds cemented rented as that character but I think to say goodbye. He comes in there as the professor. Who's been teaching at the university? We've always assumed it's the sixties he's retiring. He's talking to new professor. A professor asked him. You know like is this stuff true about you and he goes yeah. Let me tell you a story. And when he tells that one adventure we don't know about and that's when we follow the new actor who plays the character and then it ends with Harrison Ford saying goodbye and he's being picked up and this and this is my own little fan thing be he picked up by his son in a short round. Because that's his adopted son. Oh why not Williams Volvo now. They've got short round. And then you say goodbye and then the professor finds finds all these journals of all of his other ventures series continues on. That's how I think that's a good way to say goodbye to Harrison Ford's character but still there's so many opportunity you have of this franchise which is I don't think they're capitalizing on the way we talked about those muggy braves the blowout perm. They put that troll here before the for the check they said down Krisha right the movie Manichean. Yeah but that's good mass to much sense we can't have. Ah Lewis Film. Catholic can improve of a good idea. No no no no but that's great. I love you gotTa Jones Adventure Right. That's that's horrible man is meant you just try. Tried to get to the second story of the mall. Jones Indiana Jones in the second story the shopping center later to uh-huh escalator mild inconvenience. You got up there though. He got city making. He didn't make it Burlington right. Yeah who is right now. I have another thing to this to Sir Spill. Steven Spielberg should not direct this movie. Who would you think J.J? Abrams look I don't. I don't know who you could replace as an with people because I talked to my chat and my stream awhile ago about about who would be a good director. There's some I mean they'd do it now. Filtering Chris Miller they ought to handle. Oh action adventure in comedy. I think that could be interesting. But there's there's a lot of guys they can look too but the thing is with Spielberg. I just think he can make this type of film anymore but crystal skull that did not work work and honestly these past two decades. He hasn't produced a blockbuster type film. I think of quality so Chris Areas Annot Kathleen Kennedy was on the only other movies She would go the other movies and I mean she was on crystal skull too but today I think it's a whole different She's in charge. Virginia Virginia Yeah it's a whole different A whole different order at their onto now. Yes and she's making more decisions and decisions. Yes not. It doesn't really do that she. She didn't do that as a producer of these films. I mean she was around George Lucas when he was doing star wars. Yeah she produced a prequel exactly so so no it does not instill faith in me that even though she's been on previous movies if at all let's see how they've gone over the years and she was on that last two so you know I think you need to have just a whole new crop of people coming in who loved the Who loved this property? Treat it like treated like people who go in and treat in horror movies Halloween Danny McBride and got the David Gordon Green. Yeah they they went in like you know what John Carver to come in and you can kind of give his blessings and be on as producer but let less than new block committed. Just take over this whole danger. People who are like. We're not doing this as a businessman is but we're doing this because we love this they have to have a vision for it. They know it worked about those original films. They can go forward people in the chat. Jon favreau as a potential option. I could see that. There's so many people that that could potentially do multiple Indiana Jones films. So yeah let somebody who is a producer director and somebody who's not gonNA just somebody's not gonNA come in and be held down the stallion and just repeat everything we've seen seen before. That's why we wouldn't need J.J. Abrams on there so Right Choice Gift Fred durst treasure here to me like this is just belongs museum doing. He's talked his biggest fan. He's got he's got the love you is remembered as the lost Ark. Dr Jones. Now you know thank you for the input though Crusaders. I know we haven't Nice. Discussion does all right. Let's go ahead and going into a commercial break real quick and we'll be right back stretching over the hombres closer to me and we will be right back after this some good discussions this evening that Passion Hashing Passion discussions. Yes things we care about. Thank you guys Nah. I don't think this person. This is the one time I want to say no to somebody. I like. not what Ti. No not for this now off Indiana Jones. I don't think actually he worked with Massey's already so funny made them not only funny but fun. Loving that's true oh the roost. Now I remember Rousseau's the Rousseau's do Indiana Jones Phil. Someone suggested that one time. I think the RUSSA's perched up maybe apply the same things they do have captain America. Yeah absolutely getting damned. Have the directors from the fast and furious just Justin Lin or James Wan and welcome back. Everybody let's do that. Indian the hood. Hang out with the leprechaun Nice Crossover. He's always trying to get pot of gold epilogue museum a museum model liquor Yeah somebody said Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah this don't do like any Let's go to some video game. Talk off your game show. This is a video game. Show I mean. Fried is variety variety variety. Let's talk about them. Video Games out there. You know what I mean. We're looking at a video game. A long time ago that I played you know one of the Games a comment on the N. E. S. and I'm looking at this and I said you know this is this is perfect for for for the big screen are even the small screen they look at that drama. Pat Does care to development right there the the whip is an extension of his feelings and it hurts the people in front of never noticed man under all. This action is a lot of deep emotional resonance business that happens. Deep deep the symbolism Elizabeth candles. I haven't figured out yet but it's a it's above US corey down here. It's up here. Yes yes you hit a candle in a heart came out. That means that you. He's suffering relationship problems. Yes the flame has gone out of the relationship he broke. Someone's that's what always always hurting the ones around always hurting the ones you love. Oh my God becks. Then they say ah say man this this right here. This would make great dramatic television. taught him slapping a whipper. The two time Cy Soom added in a way yeah man a lot of people and believe me when I told him I said man. You don't understand how this would make great dramatic movies television shows but you know what I've been vindicated today. 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They Mr Drag my deal give a fuck just scattered rain. uh-huh shake bit. You know it's a it's a it's a really deep show. Man is surprisingly deep. This really shows action but this is actually well written really complicated drinking. Yeah yeah but I was the protein shake your neck next stump. Drinking there are some really well written characters. Great Great Dialogue. And yes. You CARE ABOUT THE GENOCIDAL MANIAC DRACULA. You do pretty doable. He's got to go. But you got to go. Yeah he knows yeah he lay. Look y'all ain't GonNa Change. I ain't Shit Y'all you know. I'm a motherfucker. Yeah they all know that I hate me those. Yeah you people people worse yes. It's a really good show is run two seasons some of this is animated here in town. I no idea. There's there's a studio powerhouse Santa Mation who used to work at one of the owners of studio longtime ago. There's doing amazing work in a lot of stuff in and I was I was watching the show and at the end of it I saw towage. That's right here in town but yet people if you get a chance to watch this it is it truly is the best video game adaptation that they've had out there yeah Not only does stay true to something that looks I mean come on you know I mean you see the game. They tried to like actually make the game a little deeper and they tried to make games For or some of the later consoles but they really haven't succeeded as well but they'd taken like what was essentially side. SCROLLING is size. That just happened to have some good Lord. Yeah made a really really great series. They they expanded upon the lower the like the season that we've gotten been adaptation of Castellini Three Dracula's curse and simply the night which popular games in the franchise always already working working with the best stuff but still yeah they expanded so much of the characters and then all the depth. They added the depth that those games landed the series. They've done a fantastic job. Eighty Schenker in his people. And now you're doing this. But they're also production of devil may cranberries and this is a poster that you can see. That's new poster going to do. Some new characters goes. I mean I mean there's a spoiler to say what happens to the season to this point the okay go ahead all right. Let Me Dracula's dead so they kill him and so there's going to be a new threat apparently. Yeah Yeah Yeah there is yeah The League leaving a good key cliffhanger with that so yeah. I'm looking looking forward to this man. Yeah at Shane car. Who would meet the fucking this Weirdo? I know like he wears like he's going to a gym. Should Pharaoh the king he looks like the the Indian crew apparently is going to the most hardcore dairy convention Intel Ironic unhook on this evening's performance with the band complain. Yeah this this guy he He's known for doing a lot of great adaptations but he had to do them outside of the of the of the system. Yeah outside out of the regular process of getting these things done. What he does is he takes? Let me see if I can find. One man stood Tom. He's done he's done. What for Judge Dredd he he produced? It's the judge dredd move. Movie scrape very underrated reign as far as a comic book. Movie goes but but yeah He. He's the guy that's all these these off-shoot properties they can fan films himself fan films. It's got a lot of money in the guy's got a lot of money. I mean you've got a lot of money so you can go around and dress up like this. I could do this now. That's how rich I am. I dressed. There's like a fairer. Let's get a fucking sharpie and dropped black things one of my is you know but yeah he's made some really cool shit what he's done is he said. Did you know what I've seen these properties and I can do a more faithful adaptation of them even expand on them and take some children's properties adult things like and I can get people famous. People actually work with me on those who everybody's talking about what was his name that played the Pundit Thomas Jane Thomas Jane the Thomas Jane punishment man everybody talked about Thomas. Jane was not a great punisher and he was great. It's just the film wasn't until he did this thing called a dirty laundry which is a punishment film but they can they cast? Yes the punisher yeah. They can't say that they can kinda show the logo a little bit the skull the skull but he can't say punisher but he can get back and make a fan film with Thomas Jane who ended up being like one the best punish we had you know the differences between Justice and Punishment Walk Little Journal. Helium Breath Yeah mm-hmm mm-hmm oh he's even high the baby you know I would just playing tough. Absolutely yeah man. He does eat so he did that. One of the best punish movies out there so yeah you know. This guy knows what he's doing John With these things man you know he loves them too. Yeah passions there. Yeah which is why. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with another video game property like you said he's going to be doing devil may cry and you know he'll go wild with all this nonsense Alex craziness God them boy. Wide Ultra pampering coming out popping and locking so. Yeah Yeah yeah non. Tom Played this game. That's just crazy I love the microphone. Array yeah yeah look what he does with that but very much looking forward to season three of Castle Vania now. If you guys have been watched castle venue get caught up now man. You know if they're now if you're an anime fan or a video game game game or whatnot you owe it to yourself to really watch this joint twelve episodes so no excuse. Yup Yeah the first season was like what four. Yeah 'cause they WANNA take a risk on it they were because the Games are known for making terrible adaptations but that was one. Yeah please people. I'm begging you may go watch. This is is really good. It's really good now for everybody of course but if you're a video game fan and you've been craving for good video game station especially if your enemy fan check it check it. Allied to stop wasn't even animated but I don't know if anybody was a animated by Japanese. Yeah I know some of them they buy clears inspired by definitely. Yeah no they they. They did the the the animation style and they had it down here at this studio. I know that for sure so check it out all right. Let's go check out a commercial right now. Okay we'll be back right after this has it okay. Sound like like grew grew from the minions dog. I'm a bad ADEMA. Looks that Martin's Today and disappointed could hurt him. It hurt himself movie suck Mar.. Wasn't he's going to review it to see and then talk about Mar- Martin he's like Y'all okay. Show it to me. No you're GONNA get no reaction out of me. I'm just I'm just telling you I know what you want from me. I played that trailing the whole time wars like the rage is building take action from yesterday. Mary Hughes Reaction Man. You know well I don't know it's fucking around usually welcome back you. WE'RE GONNA video at other for you to talk about a grown man watches millions Grown as man watches the menus trailer. And we should do camera and camera words like he's in the corner and you see the thing but he's going to do they do a grown man watches perfect and get mad. Can't we all right speaking speaking of anime which we were just talking about a while ago you might have seen the anime death note you have. I have not I'm speaking to people like myself. Get Shit about what you do. It's no death. No death note is a very very popular beloved beloved animated. I'M GONNA have to catch up on this man. It's good. I have crunchy roll and I don't I don't have the first one I need to watch. I know I got crunchy role in crushing that role in a long time. And do it man. I got to watch a great concert. Man They have right here which they give Give you taste of in his trailer. Look around around there are plenty of things will could do without. Yes very much. So like trump you could you do without me. You'll need this. You know good and make it in. I loved them. The MAGA- now here's a head Maga- make American Mega Mega Mega head-on. Nah Man you know you probably wonder. What's the connection between trump and an enemy specifically definite already lean crime? It's time for a allow people say that they say you know what we're talking about. How you sick or something? We'll doesn't need. This is time for a change all things that have been said trump. So so what. What better way to explain this then to show the mash up now the crossover even the of trump and death note which you have the whole concept of death note is is that basically a demon leaves a journal for a particular person to pick up the person who picks up the journal can then use it in a person's name and they die and character we fall on? The anime is light Yami. He's a psychopath. And he just decides basically become a god called Kierra or God rituals named basically takes the world aerobic starts like almost a whole following really basically has the world in his vice really by the neck the entire people are in fear of him. Well this takes place after the original Mangga and there's a new person who's Kira who has a notebook and trump. WHO's like this nonsense thatchet on the I should be able to kill people here? I will offer you five hundred billion dollars for the death note serious. Wow I went to everybody. They have it. And so what happens is cure goes. Okay that's his demon friend. Who's The a person who originally gives the death note to people delivered? The trump done deal could do it. Wow the whole thing is though and this is where this is the weirdest the main the main good self is that as the as the writer of the death note you can start adding rules like brand rules and shit like that and so apparently for the mango. It's it's like whoever gets the death note next will die. So they're getting their job killing trump. Nice Eh Nice. We need that demon man. I'd vote for that demon. Loved this city giving it. I can't believe this with a big names. Bluesy Leedle yes my speech. They kill them so so oh is that where it takes. Trump was assassinated by anime demon was would imagine book. Magic Book Man is that he didn't into something he took. The death is GonNa take to stop trump. I think so. You can't vote them out. He can't impeach me. Touching them is going to take a magic book. Oh from a demon an anime deemed to get rid of this guy. Got You something. The other certainly didn't work it. S up our with our desert. Let's go to the world of fantasy so that's our last best chance. Can I just say that. I'm glad that we I'M NOT DONALD TRUMP but I'm glad that we're killing anime trump. That's the last thing we need is we. Don't we don't need an anime trump. No thank you and to see enemy. Laws always hold the watery anime cross. Yes because it should be character when he tweets. He's tweet it. I think just because of all the news that has happened recently his acquittal by the Senate this is kind of gone under the radar because they fucking kill him Fox News right now. Yeah I think the because they're like mango. What the Hell is that Japan? And so you know that your kids are into this. These cartoons called Mangan Garden. Which might seem fun games to you but do you know that these actually encouraged the kiss to kill their president? Can't would they would. They Damon not always anti-american tanic. Do you know what this marina marina ship with US talking about. Fuck Outta people. Well I mean hey you know what one step at a time. We'll kill anime trump. We'll see we can do about the real. Let's see what they will kill the real traumas. Say we'll see we can do. We'll start in small. Yeah we'll start. Venting frustrations is Azzam after the show. We're going to do a Pentagram right here on the floor. Let's get really conjure up a demon magic books so I wanted. I would love it because because death notes over but if they WANNA do a one shot because this is a one shot comic on Netflix or something that should take the comic and do trend Tr. Change it to animate trump fuck you fucking here. A light would be the first one to kill trump in. Write his his name down so fast. That'd be it. Does he becomes I. He's like I'm going to just take out. The worst people in the world like murderers and pedophile 's the dictator's then he just he gets up he develops a god-like contracts and he just starts murdering innocent people. Just son of a bitch the episode to but you like. How's it going to get out of this? How's it going to get away and they explain it all? This is just like breaking bad China magic. What's I suppose? Some other shows that bad people of this break in bed. I would just watching Oh you yeah. He's he's he's what he's kind of like That character and you yes. I think he's exterior super charming and polite Butterworth Psychopath Yemen relational additional. Yes can't stop me is in that soup. Yeah Yeah Man. I got to check this house. Yeah I think you'd like it. It goes on for ten episodes too long but It's good show. It used to come on a dull swim. Yeah all the time all the time man I. It's one of those shows that looked like it was really cool. I want to get into it but I would always kit in the middle. Yeah you have to watch them beginning because they'll reference something from like this. This is so to an episode fifteen. It was only three things I can watch. I was watching About three enemies. One of them was another was My favorite full alchemists. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah so I was like I have to watch this later. Oh in Cyborg. Lady Cyborg Cyborg grow show yeah. Let's should I've watched watch. All those shows like about five times over and they kept showing them. We had the licenses. This is all we got seasons back to back to back a a right. It's going to last thing right here. Tell you what we're going to commercial break. Great bookie quick commercial break. Is that okay with you. And then we'll be right back after this hour the habit. Thank you appreciate. Oh Group people night. Yeah we've had some good discussions passionate discussions of course agree disagree but at least we're having fun. Yes yes yes we. Do you know how we do round here. You all you guys have been great. You got you you've been wonderful man Once again when remind some folks out there for those who are those who are subscribers. Remind you once again going to see for the love of Glove March six. I will be there in La away. We are taking tickets right now. Are taking payment for tickets because we all WANNA be one group so if you can if you WANNA go send you payment through Vermont. Christian Tourist Christian Das- DASH DAS- thirty-seven issues in Western Christian Dash Torres Florez Dash thirty seven fifty. Three forty nine which you want to go and welcome back everybody. I went to bed too long. SOC- seconds to solve that stuff. You could just describe. Yep Day you know what I forgot to tell you early to tell people they remember. Hey so we just came back from commercial break if you don't deal. Commercials are more importantly if you want to help us out you know we've been talking about how we need to get to our twenty five hundred subs at the time may comes around. you can get yourself up free twitch prime subscription if you have Amazon prime account costs you absolutely nothing and you have peace of mind knowing that you're supporting great entertainment in deep discussions us such as this Spiderman anime trump animatronic uh-huh apparently Mr Yasmine posted a link. The trump was in anime. He was apparently Corey and Chris. There wasn't Anna may way up my by super fast. You GotTa go Mr Mr Yeahs man is that it yes there it is. Oh I'm sorry right right there you want to check that out. Yeah why not curious. I'm not seeing trump and anime four. I haven't seen him in his enemy former final bake form Chris. Areas is Tyler Perry to do the Indiana Jones movies. The museum now museum blah. They think y'all ain't Yours Museum Etsuko they're going to do it. Well man trump and animate it just the title of the video. Donald Trump in anime. Look at this right up. The Donald Trump in and it's very specific short to three or four seconds. Yeah that's good that's they. What does all we need with trump where these animated none? Yeah Seattle not much. Because she must down three days look nothing like in three days we use all our property him a proper human voice news news news Japan it is being tested remaining drive a robot. The bottom is trump focusing the trump is here. Waller's talking do whereas the northern over the rest of you can go to whatever the hell you there's long hypnotize you lose the game the trouble the it is a scrolling. Yeah Oh Jesus like a fucking robot about trump. They got his mouth down. They didn't they got to be more. Personally I'd be like Jan Juicy Lips on like fish lips dude in northern Eddie wrist or you can go to whatever the hell you. Aw that's really bad. I mean the dialogues. Right there again. They know that he's a he's a he's going to tell you from Jersey S. Bertha uses. You One lucky motherfucker risk. You can go to whatever the hell your lunch. Damn bad the best of the you lose do whatever the hell you one born fuck you say. Hey I'm done horrible uses me. Donald trump talk. This is American. Speak Loops Komo loops. Donald Trump. God you lose a split. My Mouth Chuck Hera. They they do that correctly. Got Squeezed neck fat. The fact that yeah see what else we got him but Ooh let me see no please This is the last store. I'm GonNa let you run with MS that Let me talking about this radio on the horizon for this property rated M for mature. Yes take those things off and take it's for mature St Kilda's I know you're all exciting to watch trailer and whatnot. But there's a lot of unanswered questions since about the chronological Blah Blah Blah about this game. So let's just get to story. Goes something like this borderlands which. I wasn't in Portland Sequel. Which is where my I story starts? Candy is currently available for purchase followed by borderlands two and now tales from the borderlands got it everyone can we start cracking wrecking trailer. Already going to be reporting to me now. I want you to know the promotion that you worked so a hard to get that still come into. That's why I'm GonNa Make You Assistant Rob Zombie play rubs me. I don't know who that international guys get away with Dogo kicking with more human than human for your confirmation inhumane. You never heard that song before you never heard this song. Maury come on at the C.. I thought you heard it. Put it in movies and everything. Okay got really sorry. I don't know the Jeddah's even like I don't know I haven't heard how Chris Maybe I've heard of it but I don't. I don't know the lyrics to it. Only hermit what. What are you play some of it later? I'll play later. I'll play you. You've heard okay probably have it just don't know the name of it okay. That's no excuse whereas sound sounds point. What about bringing music? This guy gets set of a deal on Pandora Gene. Not One of US moves up. We all his latest scam was our biggest yet. The one that would set us up for life your imposed a deal by playing whatever role. You Need Mrs Tilson border. It's doesn't Borland's yeah and this was one of tell tales multiple all series. They are working on. This was one of them much like a lot of the Games they produced. Didn't really make that much money. Despite being critically acclaimed and now people know that telltale went under her about a year ago. You're go at this point. They they've come back. They were bought by a new publisher. They're currently working on wolf among US season two originally working on years before they had to cancel when they closed down. But now apparently it's leaked From a specific source. WHO's known for getting a lot of information from tells or at least leaking a lot of stuff in regards to telltale games and the person's name is here it is my dude? That's the leaker and he wanted to say. Ah here it is my dude. Yeah clearly what the name is he did. See like all the stuff regards Batman Telltale series back in the day wolf among is that was starting backup point White House like well. He got really hip right. Now it's as literal names. That new haircut is really good to them fresh now the way. What's the name? That is the name Corey has gotten suddenly cooled everything muscles so but he's also come out and said that they are going to be working on a tales from the borderlands sequel which is which is Great. Because I mean the last game you kinda ended on a cliffhanger. We don't really know what happened to the two main protagonists. A reese and Fiona he plays to people in the ECON- ours ones kind of like a middle. Oh manager for a handsome Jackson Valdis possessing the body of the middle manager in fucking with them and everything. It's it's a really funny game. One of the few games that made me laugh out loud because of how clever and well written the writing was it was. It was great but we never got a second season because it doesn't sell particularly well. I think over time. It's as growing popularity Populaire de and these characters have been featured in even the borderlands. Three like Reece's one of the main people you meet and so I think it's Kinda cool that they're eventually going to get back into. This guy didn't confirm when they're gonNA start like a release date or anything for even wolf among its to doesn't ever Legia. They say this the one of the other games that probably going to see in the near future. Which is I love this game? Nice Nice. I'm happy for you thank you thank. You should check this out. You know what I'll check it out here is my do if you check. They might what do they say. Here it is around saying things like my music man. Okay I gotta play this for you. My dude complete. It is for you spell it right. I let me see. You've never heard this song from Rob Ambi- probably have I just don't remember. There was a time dot com. Go walk around so they used to play this song okay. I'll put it like this now. You know that back in the day even today day they they always have a song. Net becomes really popular. Yes and he stopped playing in movies all the time. Our commercials you know if you Donga. Okay see if you remember this. Welcome to the new age. Yes why not because you heard it so much in commercials in songs in and you know and trailers songs of course. The song is up so much in commercials and trailers sure so this back back in the nineties man and this is a science fiction movies and action movies where they played. They played this song. Let me see if I can get to let me see in the. Yeah you you've heard this now. You Know Rob Zombie. Yes Rob Zombie director these ocean. Yeah exactly musician in yes and destroy to a rocker is also a director director. But he was a rocker. I Okay Not GonNa Bill. Yeah what about the ring. How about this? You don't recognize the wherever the fuck those things out the monkey. The Monkey Eh. Rob Zombie means a kid. You it really kick off all these like explosive disclosing shitting dead axle. I'm GONNA watch tonight. It was too young. I used to love this song. Plays the fuck out of an trailer trailer plus size when I should shut up stop it. It was probably like probably stop using his ninety nine. Okay Ninety nine hundred ninety nine was too young the dog I remember the song plane and all the trailers right in front of toy story. Of course I remember no remember this little Shit Shit breath breath for human than human saying that more human than man. I am. The Astro crave getting my car. And then go beep beep no I. Don't I remember some of the some of the lyrics for this. But he used to play all the fucking time I used to love. This man is on air about it was like an amazing song until they just played it on the radio overplayed and then they played it in every fucking trailer came out. Sorry Guys No. I don't know much about music. I freely admit that I'm ignorant when it comes to the Tomb Ignat but you're not thought you would at least recognize it because of because of it like being in a bunch of movies and whatnot even Atlanta even later on. I thought you might have seen some trailers on video or something if I did then I remember the only forward sheltered sheltered man. That's eight sheltie shelter old boy you right there. What a fucking snack is that? Your parents were thinner. Cut that music off. Okay the wholesome things around here neck face body. Hugh that Rob Zombie new. I think this is a wife Sherry. Munns Ambi- back down. I remember Bass Guitar or something. Yeah movies all the fucking time I seen movies know like those now. That's what it is. I think got when I saw some his films. I'm like I don't know anything about this. Or that's why I never checked out any of his songs. Oh Williamson basically nose. I thought that was his wife Baked. They're they're not his wife. I thought uh-huh wife was in a band musician. I thought she was a musician. I always thought that there was his wife. Backed I mean does not Christie making me feel old. I'm sorry guys I just don't know I'm sorry. That's a lady on base. Yes so okay. Which one is it? The goddamn always thought Sheri Moon. Zombie was in the band. The turn. Yeah I'm with you. My Favorite Rob Zombie Song was a movie was the devil's rejects. I actually liked the film. Have you seen yeah. I love that movie Man I really. I'm just not a fan of him her. Oh somebody she was a groupie of really ellie. She was all those okay. She's like a Yoko Ono. You see here. I did not see the dubs reject sequel. I'd heard that it was you know it's kind of wild man. What three three from was it? Threw three the hard way to heal something. He made another nickel. Yeah he made a sequel to the Devil's rejects which is a sequel to house thousand corpses Africa like that three from hail there. You never saw that. I saw I saw the first his his Halloween remake which is terrible inc.. The sequel sequels terrible to man I believe in having dreams about his mother is horse. Shit those clips. I remember that I think the clubs from it. She was horrible man. Yeah wife Yeah. One of the hardest interviews I've ever had to do is going to talk to Rob Zombie. 'CAUSE I didn't like that movie was like because we were doing spill share and Hollywood. We would. We all went to COMECON Hollywood since we all we were all owned by Hollywood but Hollywood since the mother ca some other property that they own their some of the website or maybe it was it was for the site. Hollywood okay calm and one of the guys. I went to my hotel. I'm about to take a nap. And this guy's like man you know I gotta go do something else. You WanNa Interview Rob Zombie and I was like I mean not really because I don't Oh man At least I don't like Halloween thinking. I was interviewing him for the second Halloween. And I didn't but I hadn't seen it But I've seen the first one. I did not like it so yeah but you know what I went when I talked to him really really cool. I'm sure Yeah Amazing Guy. Yeah Yeah it was funny finding because it was it was nobody around. It was taking my camera there and we went to some. It was like some one of those event rooms. Yeah Mall it was like a small about the size of this room here and it was. It was just me Rob Zombie in a room. buy-sell just talking about Halloween and him being a musician. And all this Kinda Shit so it was. It was kind of a cool interview and it was real cool to do that but just like how I talk about this shit. What are saying? Yeah you got tipped. Yeah yeah man do an email ask you know kinky sound good can even more than that. You like Brenda. You got a gallon the out. Oh you know one would think about Rob Zombie. Shir this read this. I'm not sure if this is true. Correct me if I'm wrong or maybe this is a rumor. Maybe it's a maybe it's one of those urban legends but are heard that he was a a an a set designer Art Director on pee. Wee's playhouse really. Yeah I can believe that. Yeah Yeah because he's he's an artist art is to you even didn't he has an animated movie that's out out. It's not that good but history. That's cool yeah Uh seven thousand subs. And we'll do that. We can do. Yeah you AH I'll be doing a show. Oh somebody say yeah. It's true it is true. I thought I'd read this somewhere. All right playhouse. Yeah okay. He was playing house and what I said. Maybe I thought I thought you said big. Oh No pee. Wee's playhouse to show. Yeah Eh. Might listen to me yes super super bistro. It's all I've seen seen pictures of it. He did it's kind of. I mean this is a big boobs in that she voices the character. Yeah Yeah it's all right like a devil. It's fun a little so business goals a little bit too far. We're trying to be edgy. Matter of fact I saw like trailers for that years ago in front of like before they like in theaters but like before they did. I'd like the regular trail is like day. Here's what's on. TNT like yeah. That's when I first saw Greg. Google boogie scrambled Rob Zombie surge gaming into thank you thank you much thank you. You didn't use the twitch prescription he did not have to pay anything. You can get a free twitch prime subscription which Amazon prime account once per month. Yeah L. Super Beast. Oh man that was aside because I thought Rob Zombie. That was cool that he was trying to do that was cool. He's trying to do an animated. He's always trying something different. He will give his man. He's a real artist Rob Zombie as a real artist man of the art. Because I remember going to see What is it which is of Salema something something that he did? It was a move that he did not long ago. He'd even know what that was about. Somebody asking what is what is the movie about. And he's like what do you think is about. I hate that Shit Superhero bestow man real name Robert Zombie. They do not. Oh God I met actually changed it to Rob Zombie. I know that it was always curious. Mr Mr Rob Zombie fields. It would be unkind to present Mr Rob Zombie. This isn't it without warning now. Let me take this cartoon. Papa get in trouble must nudity in the show fun. Yeah okay. Let's be careful. That might be the the red band trailer. It is the rent. Don't show it don't accept cleavage. The Chance Kris Doctor Satan heading right do you do an even. Perhaps I'll last email ever. Is Everything let me see. Let me see people reacting to the to this trailer Indem titties. They say. Let me see it. Did someone say why how. Here's A. Here's a news the mission okay. From Carlo Delacruz it almost delacruz. Mr delacruz close. I got something you can use for. Today's show Saturday show Saturday show. Well I use it for satish. Oh I don't WanNa yeah on. Russia hadn't saved down good that the proper time that needs to have information in their Let me see here. It's interesting Alex out lanes go to my own sandoval. No I don't think so maybe C.. Alex Albert's yeah. Alexander wants to know hey coin crew at a question about working with trump supporters. I thought it might be appropriate since we've talked about trump tonight we did. I'm originally from California but moved New Hampshire about three years ago and start a new job. I'm black and probably not much of a surprise but everybody. This place is way New Hampshire. Yeah are you kidding. Should I thought that was a new Harlem. It's only been a few months but everybody's been great and actually really nice will the art i. I said that's how they put you in the in the sunken place and you've seen him on that. They start drinking tea but I found out a few days as ago that two of my coworkers are trump supporters. And it's really fucking with me in the beginning. I really didn't hold any ill feelings towards people who supported trump but at this point with everything that has gone on for the last three years. I have to say I look at them with a bit of disdain house kind of feel when you say when you say like an open racist like trump. Are you thinking. Let's say things like you say what you say we get open racist like trump. Yeah it wasn't worried like that. I'm just interpreting thank you. I'm having trouble taking anything. They say seriously because in the back of my mind I'm like hell. Yeah but you also support trump. They haven't said anything negative to me or even treat treat me differently at all but it's still hard for me as a person of color to be around people who support a person like trump curious. What kind of advice? You guys have a my advice. You got a job shut. What the fuck up? Yeah but you know what the truth if they keep it like that during United's yeah you continue to be nice to them give them any reason to believe the shit shit that trump is feeding. Don't engage like that. Yeah just just I mean this is your workplace. You don't want to create that type of tension there or a conflict at work because it will backfire on you very very quickly. Don't do that. I mean listen listen I I work with trump supporters at my job. It's like okay. This is this the way it is. It's another buzzword. Let's go back to say y'all got to get the job done at the end of the day all right. Yeah no one's GonNa think the same as you and they're not going to think that the same as you either. You're you're not you know what I'm saying. It's they just just be nice and love each other you you know you can come back. You'd be nightly prepayment all the time fuck you you did come back in human. Take a man. I know how you feel about if I have to be completely honest with you. I have disdain for people that vote for trump. Sure there's some people are probably good friends with and if I vote for trump are probably. I'm not one to just the right people off our go off on people but I if they asked me have lost respect for me. I'd be like Manda at this point. You give me no choice because if you think about at this point it's not about the economy anymore about a guy that that says openly racist shit has has endorsed it with his actions. Yeah had a white nationalist and his cabinet and just recently gave rush limbaugh the medal of freedom the highest citizen honor there is. Yeah yeah a guy that has also been known to openly spout racist sexist homophobic and just vile vile shit and lies. You know this is a guy that has no feelings about children that he's locking up never once he's come on try to and use them as a as a photo-op is a guy that lies that lies about religion all the time. Just got talking about Mitt Romney today. At the prayer prayer prayer breakfast talked about how he's using. He's he's using. He's using God using the Bible this what he does you know. He doesn't believe in like. Wow I'd just point if you really fall for what trump is doing. I had no choice but to believe that you are a ignorant are be racist or see selfish in that and you kind of have a little bit of the first to A cupboard I'm sorry man I don't want to don't want to. I want to judge people too much but you give me no choice. Yeah I agree at this point but I mean in regards to. The person person was Alex who asked that. Don't have it affect your work because that's the one thing if you don't don't do this man don't you know if somebody Eddie I will save somebody starts with your says something to you. Bal means stand up for yourself. Yeah that's fine. Don't do this way where you don't go around a chip on your shoulder wait for somebody. WHO's ticker look at you? Yeah in the negative job man. You don't want to give them any reason. Look at you. Negative just be cool. I you know we all go run on mouth and say man. I wish Asia will be somebody you know but we are we. Do we need to learn to deal with it and to we absolutely have to confront him and you know when that time is yeah you know when you know in in your corner and you have to say something but until that point do your fucking job man. Don't say anything and like I say in be nice right back. Don't don't give them a reason to say well you know I I was nice to him. And trump is right. That's the way they are. They are one of the bad ones as they all all are. We thought he was one of the good ones. Don't do this mare. Peta Jenkins dropped out a door to what wait a minute was package Incas directing sort. I thought that's Tako ti was doing door to. I'm lost to that happened years ago. Wait what the women not dropped out a th or four what the fuck am looking so I could see it. Okay this died. Somebody's fucking with. Because I don't know what this I'm confused views now Chris you guys mentioned to director. I'm sorry go good. I was GonNa say you guys mentioned another director dropping over the movie but couldn't remember the name that was Patty Jenkins. Oh thank you Christi. Yeah thank you. Okay okay. Maybe that's why I was thinking I knew somebody. He had dropped out. Daily Port Missouri. Mad about that time I remember that. Well she okay. Well Oh but having the best Let's Z. Authority was bad though was horrible. I know where I'm thinking. Why am I keep thinking about four three Ragnarok our doubt that we're the great door to who can it Brenna now? He did the first one or two member. Gamma thrones guy he He directed some episodes of game of thrones. I Forget Dad's name chat doesn't know that guys forgotten. I think it was the same director that also did turn genesis the hard. Why in their man Alan Taylor? Thank you chat. Wow I did not. I never would have guessed that no I did. I think I even knew that name. At the time it's forgotten he ran and hid somewhere after those two big flops bombing critical flops Let's see here This is from Vince. How accord g about the controversy regarding Gail Kings interview with Lisa? Leslie talking about Kobe. Bryant's rape case in. My opinion are really. Don't see a reason for her to bring that up except to get it views. I find it stupid in disrespectful but I don't think she would be cancelled. Also find a sad that the that the man and his daughter haven't been buried yet and we got people like the neighbors news reporter Irish fear. Evan Rachel Wood and now Gayle King Messing up like they don't have any sense like what is going on. What are you thoughts on Calkins interview? I have not seen anything. But we'll say they're doing this after he's gone. That's kind of foul man. Yeah I mean it just from the sound of now I don't know for sure I know the context of it I really want to say I don't WanNa say but I do think it's bad to bring his backup you know right after the guy's dead and we can just exploit you know a a situation that happened years ago. Yeah one that was apparently settled. That'll so no no no I'll check it under some point You see fairly Snoop Dogg. Went after it's the Chad sank when after Gayle King Really Jess thanks new. Burn her Asu Sir. Mommy the guys did you. Would you do this when he was lobby waiting for him to die. I and then you pull this out. It's easier for them to do. They can't confront them with it because it'd be awkward awkward. Now we can let girl go off you know we can kinda ride a controversy s some stupid shit man if if again well we haven't yet we don't we haven't seen it but he called her a dog faced. I'll tell you man I love when people start calling out people today and people need to quit would be installed nice about it too. I know we all suppose say. Hey be civil and be nice but when we started having these hypocrites around here and these people who are not the focus for a while I remember the Internet it was hard to call people out and and because of that people got more respected as authorities authority figures. Right gods you know. They do know it's always supposed to respect them today. No no my dream is at trump actually done a drink known ever happened but you know I say something on twitter or something trump actually like tweets me back benches. And I'm like I don't care what people think I will say bitch shut the fuck. Donald trump up out. Because everybody feels like you're president. You're not supposed to go works. It's supposed to work for us. It's so funny. Especially when you know the has is supporters or political supporters. Coming coming out and saying you know how the Nancy Pelosi disrespected you. Know the president even though he's constantly ripped up is talking about ripped dubbed his speech at the end of the state of the Union and people are saying he was like she was so disrespectful. I mean He. He calls her evil and every nicknames and everything on you can't have a both ways guys come on is known. That's why that's why people say love him because he talks shit and that's the thing. They love the absolute about that. They love him because he talked shit. They love him because the campaign. Oh he talks. You can't take. Yeah but yeah man he he no he this guy he talked shit this guys you know he he tells it like it. Is Y'all love whenever he's making fun of somebody but you never call them out. What about that time he do making fun of Handicap? First person you know. Why don't talk to him talking Shit to kids? You know on twitter. We used to be when he's supposed to be presidential going after Greta thumper thumper yeah. You're never call him out on his bullshit. You know you never you never questioned. When he's a you know when he's a nobody ever calls him out grabbing pushing all that kind of stuff? Yeah Yeah. He's edited fucking family values. People you never say anything so you know fuck. y'All fuck him and I say openly I wish I wish I could bucknell the president right now. Say Fuck you yeah bitch. I'll have no like I always say with everything else fucked the flag but the anthem fucked the president. If it don't mean what's supposed to be fucking I have no respect back for something that doesn't stand up for what it truly. Is You guys a bunch of cowards. Hypocrites see what is due to the puck themselves. No don't do not. What do they do that but we did all the things that we talked about? I'll give a fuck man and I can say and I'll say openly I will not stand for the flag. I will not stand for the anthem at this point. I don't give a fuck. I want somebody to call me out on so I can school them before exactly why I don't do that shit anymore. I'm a grown man. I'm Outta fucking school. I'm not made to do this. My you know my one of my parents dead. I love my mom. I love this bitch. Fucking White House my Momma my daddy. So a month authority figures not my president because he ain't looking out for me given fucking that's a slap. I've been a face giving them rush. Limbaugh Medal of Freedom Freedom. Yeah at all this shit. He said for decades for decades nation. Fuck into with his lung cancer. Fuck him I don't have no sympathy form at all because you think let me ask you a question. Do you think he would be if all the people that rush Limbaugh uh has made fun of and talked about it and made his target is do you think he would actually feel that way if they had cancer Michael J. Fox when he mocked him Parkinson's disease did he. You know about that clip. No Yeah Rush. Limbaugh he said that. Michael J. Fox's faking any like mocked him like he's moving around like this. I think it's fake Ya. Ah Fuck you bid that was. I was an infamous actually law. Lost him sponsors. I think that controversy. That was a number of years ago and you know why it gets stronger. Because his his his his followers love he just shoots from the hip and tells it like it is but meanwhile when we do it. That's disrespectful that's patriotic. Why don't you learn how to like be diplomatic? You know what you learn a talk to people enough fuck off man you guys a bunch. A bunch of hypocrites sucked my Dick which you can do. I don't give a fuck about you at all. I don't give a fuck about losing. I Fuck Losing Subscriptions Fuck about lose money when it comes to that. I'm not a coward like these people. Have these people that clock about trump. All these men out here. Yeah I'm just reading the chat right now. They're mentioned some other stuff when he like. He did this back in the ninety s when the Clintons were in the White House and how Oh he basically compared with photographs. Their daughter Chelsea Clinton to dog. Dr Doing that commend him When Obama was an office he was talking about how blacks were gonNA black kids were discussed are beaten up? That's right white kids. And this is the guy you gave you. gave a metal to the highest the highest civilian high country. That is not my president. I don't give a fuck what you say. Please come at me. All you trump fuckers man out there. I don't give a fuck I don't care about you. I don't I don't care about your opinion. Because you're a hypocrite. Fuck off at this point. People just need to stop being nice. Go Fuck y'all self. AH IN YO ASS. I can't stand this. I'm saying this because I'm keeping bottled in Idaho. Last couple of days having here about people coming out on by Nancy Pelosi that was I wanNA bring charges on her for doing that. To give them metal to this graces. Michael Gazza's Yeah Filing Michael. These a bitch to Michael Michael. I wish if somebody was sending a fucking with me saying this about Mike Guess trump should put us in heels in lipstick and put you on the corner. He was such a hole. Oh yeah some bitches man stop being nice. I don't give a fuck you had more class. No I had class. 'cause you fucking people had no class so this this is the only language you understand fuck off. Nobody cares man please. We're talking about the game show and because somebody will come in. Why are you talking politics? I thought you talking about video games and movies and now they know what that means like I disagree with you shut the fuck up. I don't WanNa hear what you have to say motherfucker. I pay the rent around here. Talk about anything I WANNA fuck and talk about but I want to switch gears and talk about trump. I WANNA call him a bitch for five hours in a row. Which sometimes I feel like doing I'll do it? I'll switch gears anti any time off book and want to get your fucking show up. You don't like it tired of this shit. y'All he'd get mad about this shit. Stop being nice. Stop being nice. Stop thank you can't be disrespectful. They don't respect you. Fuck them all and added For Claire mccaskill. She's running for Senate and we're GONNA take a look that ad and we're gonNA take a look. Look at Mr Limbaugh reaction to that as it may be they say all politics is local but sign always the case what you do in Missouri Missouri matters to millions of Americans. Americans like me in this commercial. He is exaggerating the effects of disease. He is moving all around and shaking. And it's purely an act is the only time I've ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the Aziz. How do you know that now? Listen I've seen people talk about park. Is's seen people like you know shaking whatnot. And as even debatable. I've done man I was even debatable on on whether or not you should do it then but sit up here and accuses man of not being sick. You don't even know because all you want to do is just raw your viewers up as what it is. That's that's the way it is. That's the thing like this has also been more than affairs. I don't think rush limbaugh believes a lot what he's actually saying. kind of like the Candice Owens Macintosh used to be a liberal the very liberal until the one year she just changed all my opinions and everything and so I think a lot of this is even in a way. It's in a way it's like. Okay just what you believe. I think it's even even more rotten despicable if you're lying about your actual views no I really don't care you really don't care what all these people have in common. They trump is today a lot of them. Have this in common because it just kind of like you know what you know what I mean. We we get along so well because we're all people who don't give a shit about anything but ourselves they they don't give a fuck at all man. You're right a lot of this is just put on an act it's theater because why because Well the people who were to people with money are they. Don't they don't have money the dumb enough to support US her. Even our own our own local guy like that Alex Jones who does believe it happened. He doesn't believe most stuff that he sense alley. That's always say not crazy. I know that dude I knew him but I knew he won like that at the time. Maybe some switchmen after Shit with the with the Sandy Hook Sandyhook. Yeah once you sit up and start turning people against parents and then you and then when your money gets threat and you start pulling back start talking about what what does all an act asked was real before and a hope of meet them fucking one day man because when he likes to do. He's a fucking coward to Alex Jones. You always get the little cronies around you. Get the little cronies around you with these cameras. And you get up in these people's faces but you really selective about the people you do it to you start picking on people who are older or you pick on people. Don't think he's GonNa don't fight back. You bring your fucking Crohn's around me man. I'm not to say everyone of you because y'all a bunch of fucking cowards. That's what they are and I don't like this shit. The bullies in the fucking fucking bullies. Do Alex Jones. You are fucking turn of a bully man like the rest of these people stop letting these hypocrites fucking get away with this shit messed up let Aetna fool you think then thinking that you have to be civil you don't you. Don't you know it stop. Let's Sie plus we talk about variety on the house. Hey Ah sorry if I'm scaring people Ma'am but I don't you know it's Laurie. Everyone knows feeling came to listen to the movies movies and other kingdom gave you that gave with what they wanted. What we came here and you know I thought you're GonNa make me video games? Go to real lab. I have a platform man. This should really. Oh great google in Mughal Google's data correctly penguin penguin ads the penguins. Oh thank you thank you. Well somebody's is being said. I think you guys you guys have been fantastic tonight. Some good discussions had been had. Yes they have almost almost almost known and his platform. If you can't do this true. Thank you feelings. Be Honest unlike those guys using that platform to lie and make money. I Ah I only thing that keeps me from being really really just completed. The press is like I just get to come up here and blow off steam and say whatever I want to buy a lot of people. Don't get that man Keep it up and bottle up inside great resentment job right. Great Great Googlemail Louis Gayle King. I got that interview man. What what is it was saying to watch the Snoop Vin? Did you oh thank you. Thank you for the five hundred hundred abyss thank you for for years. WNBA star Lisa. Leslie has had Kobe. Bryant's Jersey on display in her home but since his death it's taken on a special meaning he'll will be missed but he would not be forgotten. That's for sure they met when Bryant was only eighteen years old before his rookie season with the Los Angeles Lakers and less these debut debut with the sparks. The too quickly became rising stars in L. A. Basketball and grew close. What do you remember about when you first met him? I would go to the house. And he glazed lagging. So is this like Trojan horses. UN Yup yeah. 'cause I don't see her talking I don't see anything about. What is it about this interview this talking about her rapist? I'm sorry his brings up the rape allegations. I guess I didn't see this video so I'm assuming she's the rip allegations sometime during welcome back. Just Tom It's five minutes. I don't know other men more than anybody else. He's giving us his. I don't know man I can't Kansas. I'M NOT GONNA sit down look at it properly. Yeah exactly. I don't WanNa see something out of turn. Where snoops reaction it does it right here? Somebody put here it. Is you see here. It's been said that. His legacy is complicated because of sexual assault charge which was dismissed in two thousand three two thousand four for. Is it complicated for you as a woman as a WNBA player. It's not complicated at all. Even if there's a few times we've been club club at the same time Kobe's not the Kinda guy never been you know. Go get that girl to her or senator. This I have other NBA friends. That are like that business. Uh He he was never like that. I just never see have ever seen him being the kind of person that would be do something to violate a woman. Her be aggressive the way. This is not the person that I know. At least that you wouldn't see it though. Is this friend. You wouldn't see it and that's possible you can't do those. It's going to be honest with you. I don't see anything that's okay. That's that was. The question was fine. But then after that you're bringing yourself into that quest you agenda. No yeah no I was like what are you talking about. I gotta be the bad guy because I don't see it wrong with this but that right there I just I just don't I just don't believe that and I'm not saying things that had happened. I just don't believe that things didn't happen with force force. Is it even a fair question to talk about it. Considering he's no longer with us and that it was resolved or is it really part of his history. I think that the media should be more respectful at this time. It's like if you had questions about it. You've had in many years to ask him that. I don't think it's something that we should keep hanging over his legacy. I mean he went to it. Went to trial. The case was was dismissed because the victim and the case refused to testify so it was dismissed and I think that that's how I should leave you. Yeah you kind of bringing in an agenda. Yeah well it's like well you wouldn't really know because you're his friend. It's like wait a minute. That's not even a question. You're you're making a statement about that in assuming how this you know swimming. This woman's position on the matter that's ridiculous I mean. Look I'm not I'm not. I'm not angry. Like Snoop Dogg is anything. I guess you've kind of doing it. She's doing that thing as a as a journalist. Whatever but I'd bring agenda in guys gone? Here's the thing you you're asking this question after him and his daughter just died and he's not even buried anything and it. Come on. This could wait. Oh shits I just don't think it's a very good follow up to the question asked. That's not good journalists a personal login very personal uh-huh Gayle king out of pocket for that way out of pocket walking away from it. I swear to God we'd we'd a fucking worse we expect more or from you gail. Don't you hang out with Oprah. Why attacking us we owe people you ain't come after fucking Harvey Weinstein asking them dumb ass questions? uh-huh I guess I wanNA call you would. Is it okay for caller one folk Dole Hidden Beach. How dare you try to toys? My mother fucking homeboy reputation while the focal respect to family. And Beg off bits before we come ditch which Mr Snoop dogg straight to the the SEAHAWKS. No Big Harry Potter. Ah Fuck has all their efforts Dr School the the what the dark school at hogwarts remember fucking no. No you know curse new. ooh What is another one gayle King Bitch Fuck you talking to me our love we get towards between Gayle king comments about the interview. I do but Lisa Leslie about Kobe. Bryant and I know that if I only seen the clip that you saw I'd be extremely angry with me too. I am mortified. I'm embarrassed and I am very angry. UNBEKNOWNST to me my network put up a clip from very wide ranging interview totally taken out of context. And when you see it that way it's very jarring jarring to me. I didn't even know anything about it. I started getting calls. What are you doing? Why did you say this what is happening? I did not know what people are talking about. So I've been told I've been advised to say nothing. Just let it go. People will drag you. People would throw you. It'll be over in a couple of days but you asked asked the question. Yeah confused what she's saying. I don't know what your Tom but he could've put a clipper but you ask the question. The question probably shouldn't even been asked and if I'm looking at the context right here probably shouldn't even been asked if you know if I'm looking at what what what is correct to you. Never say anything about these people you've been you've been friends ends with defending Al Franken which defend Al Franken in from what I've seen so I'm not even talking about Al Franken you've never seen anything against Harvey Weinstein. You're not the problem problem with this whole situation. Man When these people want to be champions for you know all these All of these causes in all these agendas again. You know the ever Rachel would is another one ready to call out somebody but check your fucking background you know. Make before you start talking before you start asking questions really go through your detailed pass and see who you've been defending who you've been cohort and with who you've been friends with before you try to point fingers to somebody because sometimes what it is is easier to point the finger at the person. You don't know somebody you never had to deal with me why you don't want to say anything about your friends because what I got history with by paid me. Yes they are my friend. And you know I. That's how it is this is pointing slithering slithering there you go. I was going to make a Harry Potty joke but it's too late it's too late. It's my fault I remind you so. Thank you can have that. uh-huh look it up on your phone and it just come to you can t On a man be careful with this. I really don't know the context is what you're saying Gayle King but you you ask the question you asked it knowing that it could possibly be aired and you asked it knowing that this man has just died. You know. There's I I don't get what your what your defense is here. I didn't even mind What she asked initially? I thought that was fine but it was but it was the fall of what she said. Afterwards I thought that that that that that doesn't fly. That's when you bring your own stuff into it. You're not being objective. You're stating this is how the person feels no. That's that's not how they feel or how they think. I think that's a little ridiculous ridiculous and industry just bizarre. So that's I mean maybe I'm missing something. I will say that but I'm just answer answering email and that's that's that's what I saw but yeah I understand but I agree with what was the ones to be gained here. I don't fucking get it man I I really don't stop. This is what I'm talking about these double standards with people. Yeah stop being so quick to be self righteous and all moral point fingers at people because chances are that's tell people all the time when people always have their little causes you know. I don't shop only eat chick fillet. I don't deal with these but you are. You know you probably support and some other shit. Sure can't talk about this a look. You know you can't talk about it at a certain establishment if you still shopping at Walmart yeah well I think a big thing of it's not it's not always the case is a lot of the times with people is when they wanna be a part of the cause is not because and they might be doing it for the wrong reasons might be doing to make them the make themselves stand out more like they're the heroes of the situation like actually just about the cause and helping people whatever it is they just want to be like no no. You should praise me for and I think that's happened a lot with someone like Evan Rachel Wood Loyd or whoever else that we can think of Stu- yeah people you can't talk about. You can't look down on Walmart if you still shopping Amazon People we all got dirt and of course we got to stand up to speak up with things that are really wrong but these little things. Would you WanNa pick on something of of to make you look better no man. I don't do that because especially at the end of the day. You'RE GONNA come out looking like a hypocrite. Check your ship before you start talking shit. Wow put put very well damn street with that Shit Shit before you start talking. Shit Homie was there. Even verbalize liberalize. Oh people saying yeah I was about to say you should put on surfing. We might replace it on that why I love that. Black T.. Right there look good man. Classic by the way logo we have the variety the color feet. Yeah I keep talking. You might get a foot up your ass be do I hope you get it with that. DT Slash certain people. Why are you talking Shit? Have a nice glass of going back to our conversation before bathroom. Talk phone covers. Many other things can get a choice. Alright girl people. We got more than we thought. We would have to put this on Youtube. This this discussion. Okay Cool Yeah Oh our people will be right back right after this folks. The princess has spoken. Yes she wants wants to go. Ra Greg all right. You ready mom or you know somewhere and get you some big chicken ain't gonna be far the protein. Yeah I know. I know we're going to wrap this up. I'm sorry I kept you too long. I'm sorry man I 'cause now I'm just joking wasn't supposed to be like I'm speaking for. That's alright Mama. I'm having fun. We had some good variety topics today. We did man. We got some Nice Patchy discussion with the Chad itself. That's always good about wasted your opinion on the matter. Yes chat talking about guys like the show tonight. Welcome back everybody we shouldn't. I'm sorry I went off on Yeah IAGO my Eggos or jog on my sent an email about the garbage pail. Kids movie core hundred dollars by the way big and we will. We will do something about that. That look at this shit. Shit right here Lane one on Harvey. Yeah big bad. Harvey and look at this usually oprah. Yeah right both right both the oh back the should I can't go back. But there's another picture of her Oprah Kissing Harvey on the cheek. smooch see cocaine addicted take the job with this shit here. Yeah Man Look at this. Yeah the Chat Cintas. I'm sorry that pictures. The pictures a little off off Guinness's take from getty images. I don't have any ownership over this. I didn't pull this up. Somebody else pulled it up but look at this shit right here. Look at all the auto tow you all these people in Hollywood and entertainment they hypocrites man. They WanNa talk about all this moral shit. Yeah they do this shit steak Nah Yeah I don't like a pedophile rapist. But POLASKI and Harvey Weinstein. You know what they pay us so he can't say anything. They can do something about careers but nobody wants to say shit because they're celebrities. They're famous people disrespecting them. Fuck man you heard it here first all right not for the last time definitely not for the last time. Why say if I can I hope you know maybe one day maybe not? Maybe we'll find US ourselves you intermingle with the entertainment business to be. I don't know but as as of right now fun doing this because I just don't feel like having a I'll just having a mince my words man in Germany when when I see something going on around me blunt and honest way to live. Actually just don't just don't know me. And they were all wrapped into it is the rise and fall double Tosa. I'll do harvest. Acquitted will work with him. Hey we ask I said you win. Is it the whole time man always had you'll bank. Yeah fuck all right all right. Everybody that is the end of the show. Thank you so much chat chat ed chat. Thank you so much and we will talk to you guys. I'll see you on Saturday. Loan Mantle him to backtrack. I think we're going to be doing a C.. I think we're going to be doing a three o'clock show three thirty show something like that. Yeah yeah early in the day Try to get used to doing that. And that is it. Everyone thank you so much. Thank you Pixie for being patient isn't one thing Mojo you Dr Cicely. He's met he doesn't bother anybody. Easiest most cool out. He's older and I've been there done. That's fine with all the one right everywhere as it A. We've already told you what we need to do. Subject to get to events going on and everything. Let's go on out of here. We've talked about a lot tonight. Good bump music politics movies anime vegans. Oh Yeah we still do videogame the spice again if you will well folks Well I love that here Chris. 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Score More #5: The matchup vs. the Browns & some info on K Michael Badgley

Bolts from the Blue

32:59 min | 3 years ago

Score More #5: The matchup vs. the Browns & some info on K Michael Badgley

"Ooh. Rivers give to scroll angling lip, v. Ten. Should have been ruled a fumble. Gates, one hundred twelve career touchdown catches the most by the NFL tied in all time. Wanna figured it out. I just like to play football. This is score more with Garrett system. We are back another installment of the score more podcast. I am Garrett sixty welcome back score morons today. Like I said on Twitter Noga around today, we're gonna get straightened. The breakdown and again, I'm over at score more pod. You can follow the podcast. They're going to be doing more stuff over there as we school long. So go ahead and follow, ask or more pot on Twitter and for just get to the breakdown. But I, we gotta talk about these injuries before we start to flip it and do the Browns injury report. I, they move onto the chargers. So on the injury report for Cleveland, they have the linebacker James Burgess. He was limited with a knee injury. The tight end set the valve was limited with a hamstring injury. The talented corner EJ Gaines was limited on Wednesday with a groin injury and important one here. They're left tackle desma Harrison limited with a knee injury. If desma. Harrison Cango. That means the rookie Austin Corbett who's usually left guard will play left, tackle the Browns free safety Damaris. Randall was limited with a heel injury, but they've been cut down his practices all season long. So Randolph should be good to go. Who we do know is not playing the Sunday. Is there wide receiver to slash three Reshad hagan's? He has an MC l. sprain he's going to be out for a couple of weeks, so he's definitely not to be there on Sunday against the chargers. So no Higgins for the Browns for the chargers? No. Kaiser white, no, Joey Bosa, no details Brown and no Travis. Benjamin all did not practice on Wednesday, probably won't play Travis. Benjamin might be close. We'll see about details Brown as well, but definitely no joy. Bosa Inoke as you're white this week, the tackles Joe Barksdale Russell Kun both limited, but at least a practicing Mike pouncey was limited with a knee injury ho. Hopefully he's okay in Virgil, green and defensive tackle Damion square were both full participants. They should be good to go on Sunday and the big news on the injury report kicker injury. Caleb Sturgis has got a quad injury, and he was limited on a Wednesday, Adam Schefter reports, Caleb surges will not play on Sunday, and they signed free agent kicker Mike badgley, which means the chargers are going to carry two kickers. The not cutting Caleb surges. They're gonna keep two kickers on the roster for Sunday, like any team is going to be hunting the waiver wire for Caleb Sturgis like anybody's waiting for Sturgis to drop so they can pick him right back up. Now, Caleb Sturgis will not play on Sunday, whether that's good or bad that seven kickers in two years. And here we go again with kicker drama. This is frustrating. This is annoying, and really it's a nuisance tired of kickers. I'm I'm tired of abolish all kicking punting kickers. Obits you're taking away jobs, their specialty. I don't care. I don't wanna see another kicker. I don't care. Get them all out of here. Every single one of them even Viteri or Justin Tucker. I don't care how good they are. Sebastian, Janikowski. How about you? Leave your barely athletes get out of here anyway. You probably want the scouting report on a kicker, the new kicker, Michael badgley and I'm not watching bachelor tape. I am so against watching kicker tape, so I'm not gonna do it. So it talked to my colts guy? Yeah, I got a guy from the colts. I got a cold sky. Okay. I got a shoe guy. I got a hat guy. I got a call sky and ask them about badgley, and it was pretty easy. He was drafted. He made everyone of his kicks. He had five field goals. He made a fifty plus yarder. He made all five is extra points. Pretty easy. Didn't miss a kick in preseason. He went undrafted. He was out of Miami. And the interesting thing he told me and this is all I got is that there were internal discussions about maybe keeping badgley on the practice squad and Viteri forty five years old. So there at least a discussion that, hey, if this is the year that Viteri is goes, which who knows when he'll ever stop. But if it does go, it'd be nice to keep an extra kicker. Ultimately they went against it made the right decision. I don't know why it'd keep another kicker. You just pick someone off the waiver wire, but badgley maiden oppression on the colts. There was a talk who knows how serious it was. But he had told me that there were some discussion. So at least on the surface they had talked about keeping a kick on their practice squad. So they're going Michael badgley. The downside is badgley can kick seven field goals on Sunday against the Browns, make five extra points and look amazing, and it won't matter because the chargers are so sold on Caleb Sturgis. They're keeping him on the roster and don't even want to expose him to the waiver wire. So that's your update on badgley some good news. I didn't think I'd get anything out of a message about a kicker, but colts liked them, colts fans loved him. He said, so anyway, here we go new kicker new week. Let's go ahead and focus on this week, and let's talk about this Browns matchup. So as we begin this breakdown just got to say, this isn't the Browns team. You used to say, this is a whole nother team with Baker Mayfield at the helm, and we're gonna. Talk about him soon. The chargers catching the Browns while they're rolling right now two coming off a tough overtime win over the Baltimore Ravens, starting to build a head of steam Baker Mayfield starting to build up some swag. And last week I spoke on the importance of getting pressure on Derek Carr because he had the fifth worst passer rating in the league went under pressure, but Baker Mayfield is the exact opposite. Baker Mayfield has the third best passer rating when under pressure with a passer rating of ninety four point eight, Philip rivers, actually, number one in that category. And he leads the league with one hundred ten point one passer rating. So Mayfield make some of his best throws while under duress this week is got gotta be about containing Mayfield in the pocket kind of closing the walls and on him. If you strength that pocket, try to keep me feel from rolling out. He'll force some bad throws and he'll make some throws you want back and he's done it each time in every game. So when the chargers do close. The wall in on Baker Mayfield they'll have success. You don't want him rolling out extending plays. But when he does get outside the pocket and decides to make throws, he has the third worst pass rating in the league with quarterbacks outside the pocket has a forty one point four passer rating that is third worst in the league behind Matthew Stafford and Josh Allen with the worst and Josh Allen has five point seven pass rating when he's outside the pocket fi- five single digit. That's how terrible ease outside the pocket chargers on facing, Josh again, this year. But I just I, when I see that it's just unbelievable how bad Allen is outside the pocket. So anyway, may feel third, worst pass rating when he's outside the pocket. So if you get him off his spot and move Baker Mayfield, that's good. As long as you make him throw the ball, if you get him running, that's when the issue occurs. That's when he can move the chains. That's where he can run and be a threat with. On his hands. So Mayfield can basically make every throw in the book and on Sunday. He's going to be testing the charters DVD. They've the most twenty plus yard pass attempts in the league with thirty one which is tied with the chiefs, and that's all Baker Mayfield this week. Another test for Jalil, free safety or whoever they roll out there because the Browns have some speed pushing the ball downfield and they've been doing it all year. Something watch out for now. Like I said, Baker mayfield's gonna make some throws that he's gonna want back this year storm three interceptions in the last two games. He loves the gamble one of his interceptions against raiders. They returned for touched on Garin Conley. He took it to the house for six, so he's got to be careless with the football at times, and the chargers gonna have to take vantage. But the thing about it is Baker always recovers. This kid has nerves of steel. You don't see the rookie hiccups you do with. A certain amount of throws, but the confidence doesn't Wayne with Baker Mayfield. He's got it through the roof. And like I was saying earlier, he's building up some swag too. That's why the Browns just won't go away. The charge will have to find a way to rattle Baker Mayfield on Sunday and not let him become a hero again this week. If you listen to sports radio, if you've turned on the TV or heard anything about football, it's all about Baker Mayfield and how he's got this team turned around and Cleveland, so he know he can make all the throws. He's gotta make mistakes. You're gonna have to bottle him up on Sunday, and he's got the legs to move the chains. See, can let him scurry can't let him scramble. You gotta contain him. If you make those walls close in on him and kinda shrink his pocket, kind of like the trash compactor and a new hope you squeeze on in. And if he can't get his feet under him, he's gonna make some bad throws now on Sunday against ravens. He threw interception early in that game recovered dr-. Oh, the Browns down multiple times to win the game. Ultimately they did. So let's talk about this offense of line because if you're gonna close in the walls, you're gonna have to get some interior pressure. You're gonna have to pressure on the edges as well. Now, the interior of the Browns office of line happens to be their strength, and they got some veterans in the middle to at center. They run through the former Packer JC Trotter he's their field general at guard. The Browns have their longtime offense of Lyman. Joel Tonio he's playing left guard in the former bangel Kevin Zeitler is playing right guard. Now Zeitler the strength of that line and between the three. That's a lot of interim presence in the middle of that line, and they're looking to move downhill, look for a lot of insight zone on Sunday. With these three backs, we'll talk about those backs on a little bit. So at tackle, this is where the Browns are the weakest, the sign, the former Steeler, Chris Hubbard this off season and he's manning the right side of the line, but he's really struggled to begin the year on the. Other side, you've got the UTSA protecting the blind side desma Harrison. A lot has been made of Harrison. Strong start to start the year, saw excited to watch Harrison when going back and watching these Cleveland game so far and at left tackle, it didn't seem like who's being attacked a lot this year intil this past week and against the ravens where Baltimore basically lined up Terrell suggs right on top of Harrison and sons had a field day on Sunday. It was Harrison's worst game of the year. He showed a major weakness against the bull rush. So what I'd like to see Melvin Ingram, let them loose on Sunday against Harrison. Also, how about lending deers file on at the five tech versus Harrison gusted on Sunday when he lined up Filon on the left side right against Colt Miller, the raiders rookie left tackle. And if you remember that play, Filon bull rushed Miller. He took advantage of them and just overpowered him and got the sack on that play. So that's something I'd like to see again now op. You can't run dairies filing a five tech fifty sixty percent of the snaps. I'm not saying that, but it'd be a great wrinkle. So I think lining of Filon just a few times as a five tech against Harrison, maybe giving them a little Hubbard too. I think that would be good because that'd be an advantage for the charters because that's Harrison's weakness and you can create some pressure off the left side. If you can get him with that bull rush, you might see Melvin Ingram do the same. I'm sure they saw it on tape, but the Browns gave up five sacks last week to six different Baltimore. Defenders to them collected a half a sack. So that's the worst they've done is unit two season, and that is a lot to do with the competition. I think I have a feeling that a lot of the defensive lines, the Browns face so far this year aren't going to end up being good at the end of the year. So I think they've had a little bit of a pass and not a real test until they faced this really good Baltimore defensive line in took advantage six guys getting in the backfield collecting sacks, not. Including pressures and all that. So the strength of the Browns offensive line is they're run blocking. But in pro, they're going to get tested again this week, I think they struggle there and I think they struggle again and I think that has a lot to do with the competition. In fact, last week, Eric, Weddell even collected a sack on a safety blitz. I'm sure Derwin James just licking his chops this week watching how easy that came from Weddell on tape. So hopefully gusts he's two. Now we'll talk about the wide receivers Derwin. James might have to cover a lot in this game because of the speed from these receivers. But you gotta send her when James here because there are some opportunities there on the safety blitz. Now, kind of mentioned the three headed monster for the running backs, and they got a stable consisting of Carlos Hyde. The former forty nine running back, do Johnson and the rookie Nick job. Now the Browns offense loves to run the ball up front special on first down with Carlos hide, hide his ninth in the league in rushing arts on first down with two hundred. And six. He's averaging three point nine yards per carry on first down the charters run defense will need to stop the Browns early because they're going to go back to that. Well, all game long, whether they're up or down because they put a lot of trust in that offense of line. They love to wash offense of line move, downhill, beat you down and hopefully take advantage of the tire defensive line late in the game. So Carlos height is more their workhorse power back, Duke Johnson. We'll get three to five carries on Sunday, but he's there receiving back. They like the line him up as a wide receivers. Well, and in the rookie Nick chub he's not getting a ton of Carey's, but he's really starting to make a case for some more snaps, Nick Chubb is the only running back on the Browns of the three who's rush Rover hundred yards. This season which was against week four against raiders. We know how bad the raiders are and they're run d, but he only had three carries which total the hundred five yards and two touchdowns. So he has. As a opportunity to break one loose when he's got the ball in his hand. So watch out for that, Nick, Chubb isn't going to get a lot opportunities, but he's definitely making case for getting more carries. So you might see a little bit more on Sunday. He's probably getting about three to five carries a game to just like do Johnson. They make some in, but Carlos Hyde is they're belco. They're gonna feed him a lot. So while this Cleveland offense loves the run the rock. They have some success but hasn't come without its failures because the Browns have the most rushes that have equal zero yards or less thirty three times this year that's worse than the NFL charters actually not far behind at third worst with thirty one attempts. So Brown's done at two more times than chargers, but on Sunday against the raiders can wisit hunt love to do the big play. And then once they get it on first down, run the ball, big chunk play, run the ball, big chunk play run. The ball and it seemed like it was an ongoing pattern all game long. I felt like I was watching Ken Whisenhunt coach, these dudes in orange helmets because it was the exact same thing. So watch when the Browns get big chunk plays or when they get their first downs, they can be running it. They're gonna hand it to Carlos Hyde and hopefully charters can stop them and added more to that zero yard or less stat. I read earlier, make a little bit more than thirty three this Sunday. So then moving onto the wide receivers. And I touched on them a little bit, but we haven't really got into it. So you know, this team puts up some big plays on offense. They're six in a league and explosive plays meaning runs that are over fifteen yards and pass plays. They're twenty yards or more. So Cleveland has thirty explosive plays this season. And the chargers actually lead that category with thirty five. So, wow, they get some Trump plays in the air. The Browns also owned the highest percentage of. Dot passes in the NFL was seven point, six percent. So if you that week, one was bad with Travis, Benjamin Tiro Williams. Imagine that every week for Cleveland. So let's get in these Cleveland white outs in somebody's wide receivers that have some problems. Catching the ball, we know Mayfield it's going to be without one of his favorite targets on Sunday, which is wide receiver Rashard Higgins. He's been ruled out with an MC l. sprain the starting wide receivers are going to be Jarvis Landry and the rookie fourth round pick and Tonio Calloway. Now Jarvis Landry has been the Browns most effective weapon. He's proven this year. He's more than just a slot receiver. He wasn't Miami juices averaging career high thirteen yards per catch as been targeting double digits for out of the five games this season Landry's receiving yards kind of been up and down record two one hundred yard game. So far this season in three games that were mostly down. In fact, last week against ravens. He only had one catch for ten yards going into halftime. And then he got too big gainers and then it kind of bumped up his stats. A little bit, but he was locked down for most of that game until the end when the browsing to make a run. So on defense, these DB's are going to have to limit the explosive plays. And then all starts Jarvis Landry you can live with the small gainers, but you can't let Landry eat up the field. Stopping Landry is going to be priority. Number one, they're going to target Jarvis Landry all day. He's probably going to get ten plus targets again this week, and you can take three to five yard catches as long as you limit those explosive plays. You don't want those ten plus yard catches from Jarvis Landry because those start adding up real quick, especially when he's getting the ball thrown to him ten plus time. So the charters can't be given up, big chunk plays. You can live with the little dings and dunks from Jarvis Landry 'cause they're just gonna try to manufacture some touches with Landry to try to get the ball in his hands. Let them run after the catch gotta tackle, obviously, but keep the short gains from Landry limit the exposed to place. Obviously, it's not an easy. Ask every teams trying to do the same thing which RBIs Landry and to the five weeks he's exploded for over one hundred yards. So it's easier said than done. If you limit Landry and the Browns are without Higgins, you're gonna force Mayfield the throat to these other receivers, enforce these receivers to make plays like a guy like Antonio Calloway. Now Calloway's currently dealing with a knee issue. He's been plagued with drops all season including costly, drop late in the game last week, but Callaway now has four or fewer receptions in every game this season. How about you? Try to throw the ball more to Callaway because he's not catching a lot of the ball's going his way. So from a game plan standpoint, on the defensive end for the chargers, if gusts electing Hayward shadow Landry most of the game like you did with the Mark Cooper last week, you're leaving Trevor Williams one on one with Calloway and that favors the chargers Calloway has got some major speed. He likes to stretch the field and your. Gonna have to run with them and not let them blow the top off the defense and Tony Calloway's actually the sixth ranked wide receiver in air yards per target with fifteen point seven, a full yard ahead of him. Mike Williams, top five. So Brown's like the target Antonio Calloway deep look for that on Sunday. But if you're having Hayward matchup with Landry, which is going to be a very fun match up to watch on Sunday and you've got Trevor Williams against Calloway the rookie who struggled and hasn't made more than four catches a game that's net positive for the defense. Now without Higgins, the next man up for the Browns. It's gonna be former Reiter rod, Streeter, and the FA who was instrumental in the comeback, win overtime last week, Derrick Willie's at tied in David joke, who has been fairly quiet before this past week against ravens. Having his most targets catches in yards of the air going six of eleven for sixty nine yards. New joke who really didn't develop any chemistry with tyrod Taylor, but bake. Mayfield David joke who are starting to click a little bit more now, last Sunday. The charter did a beautiful job grabbing Jared cook, limiting one of the raiders most dangerous weapons. So like I mentioned earlier, Hayward shadowing Landry which is going to be fun matchup you got Trevor Williams on the outside with Antonio Calloway. And by the way with Landry Hayward might not be able to shadow him as much as he did with Cooper only because the Browns move Landry everywhere, whether it's on either side of the boundary or in the slot, they like to move Landry around. So Hayward might not stay with him and shadow him. If Casey Hayward is matched up with Jarvis Landry lot, and you got Trevor Williams on the outside with Antonio, Calloway, look for a lot more nickel and dime looks with Adrian Phillips. Taking over that linebacker spot help out in coverage like he did on Sunday against your cook and did a very good job limiting, Jared cook, splash plays, which he's done almost all season. So let's flip over to the defensive side of the ball and. And this isn't the Cleveland defense where accustomed to seeing the Browns. They've been playing very impressive this year starting up front. The charters interior office of line is going to have a tall task on Sunday, blocking Larry Oga Jobe. He'll line up at the nose and the three tech, and he's affected either spot. He is quietly becoming one of the better detectives in the game, and I cannot be more impressed with this kid watching him in a second year. I didn't know we had it in them. Obviously, I watched him last year when the chargers played the Browns. But with the way he's progressed has been really impressive. Ogan Jobe is a tough piece to move in the run game, and he really Rex shop as a pass. Rusher ogan Jobe leaves the team of pressures which is better than their best pass rusher Myles Garrett, and he's tied for fourth in league among defensive tackles in that category. And he's tied with the forest Buckner. Think about how good is production is if he's up there with the forest Buckner now, charters interior offense of Lyman. Dan Feeney. Michael Scofield. Most importantly center, Mike pouncey are going to have to anchor that middle. It gets oaken Jobe. That's gonna be tough task. So then you go to the outside with these pass rushers and they have a talented one of Myles Garrett cared as an athlete that can win with speed or power. Also exhibit some really good band. He's averaging a sack game this year is really taking a jumpiness progression as well. And if Russell Kun can go on Sunday that is not good for Sam teddy in the chargers. So opposite Garrett, they've got a manual Oba rushing from the other side. He's a long lean pass rusher. He wins mostly with speed Oba's played three games this year, and to be honest with you, I don't think he's been very good, and he hasn't really been that productive either what Okba can do when he doesn't get home on the pass, rush his get his hands and passing lanes. He's already got three pass deflections this year, but honestly, Oprah's really out shied by the rookie Gerard Avery. Avery is team Sam behind Jamie Collins. He starting to put it together. There's a pass rusher. He's got a sack and a half in eight QB hits. Avery is ranked as a top fifteen edge defender right now if Barksdale and Okuno aren't back this week, those young tackles Trent Scott Sam teddy to have to find a way to stop getting Avery. So then we moved back to these linebackers and like a guy mentioned earlier, Jamie Collins, he's the starting Sam generes behind him, but he's been known as one of the league's best SAM's, but he starting to fall off a little bit. He looks a little slowdown the season but called can really bring it as a run defender. And the other linebackers are the Mike Joe show. Burt and the will Christian kirksey. They will man the middle Kirk. He's been okay this season, but Joe Schober is a dog in coverage. Ogan Jobe impressed. The hell out of me and Joe Schober te may my jaw drop. He doesn't really do anything in the run game, but that man can cover. He is by far the. The best coverage linebacker. The charges of face this year in Schober has got to be top five in that category league. He surprised me. He really, really surprised me. So in Tokyo gates, Virgil, green gonna have a tough day on Sunday. This is a talented defense, so all these linebackers can cover. They leave a lot to be desired against the run. They've allowed to one hundred yard rushers this season in. They've been to physical back marshawn Lynch of the raiders and James. Connor of the Steelers who both rushed for over one hundred thirty yards. This is an advantage for the way Melvin Gordon has been running because if he runs tough like he has, he'll be successful if he dances in the backfield it's gonna be a long day. This isn't a very good tackling group. So Gordon will need to run with power in create some extra yards. We've seen the good and bad of melon gourd throughout his career obviously, right this year and I'll take you back to the game against Cisco. He was running harder than we've probably. Ever seen him. That might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but he was running very impressive against the forty Niners. And if he does that again where he's running, hard head down, not letting one defender bring him down and making more guys come to him to bring him to the ground. He's going to have a lot of yards on Sunday. If he dances in the backfield thinks too much, it's going to be a long day for the chargers offense. So then we've talked about ogan Jobe impressive out front, Joe Schober that man can cover. Now, let's get onto these DB's who are also very talented. And since we're talking about good coverage like Joe Schober, the Browns are the second best team against the pass forcing passer rating of seventy four point two, this season. They got some good covered corners in their fourth overall, pick Denzel ward might CB one by the way and corner e. j. Gaines they both played lights out or was a top five corner to begin this year. He had some hiccups in week three and four. I think. But last week allowed a nineteen point nine passer rating which was the best in league and throughout the season EJ Gaines on the other side is ranked fourth in a lowest passer rating allowed with forty four point six when targeted so ward and gains have held their own in the secondary heading into the sixth week of the season. Denzil were Lisi NFL with nine past Passiflora and his tied in second with three interceptions, and he's been really impressive on special teams. He got a block kick last week on Justin Tucker where he went flying off the edge, dove blocked a kick. So they've got some talented DB's and a free safety. They've got to marry Randall. He's proven to be a nice addition. He's another guy who's excelled this year in coverage there, strong safety, Bill peppers, seven, a better start to the year the last year and probably had his best game against the ravens last week. He's gotten much better run offender. And of course, peppers is a threat to rush the passer to while watching this Browns defense. It kinda reminded me of last year's charter defense. They've got guys who can get after the quarterback. Myles Garrett, Gerard Avery got guys who can cover in the back end. They've got dens award on one side EJ Gaines. They've got a strong safety who can tackle in the run game. The pass rush is forcing some bad and hurried, throws the corners, then clean it up on the back end and the aren't that great against the run or in the middle of their defense. That reminded me of last year's chargers. Not a great run defense little week in the middle. That's why the charges address in the draft this off season got good corners like the chargers. Got good, pass, rushers building, joy, Bosa last year. This is much like deters defense last year. So then special teams and guess what? Guys, the chargers play the worst special teams unit in the country on Sunday with all the bad things I've said about this team special teams, and they've. Much better. Last two weeks. The Browns are the literal worst. Their former kickers ain't Gonzales cost him two games this year depict Greg Joseph who replaced him after week two. He's made six, seven field goals. All is extra points to three games, including the game winner against the ravens last week peppers. The man emission little bit earlier there. Strong safety is there returner. He was an electric returner in college, has a chance to break one, so they've got to contain peppers as well. So the result, the Browns, hang around in every game. They played this year. In fact, they're the only team in NFL history to be tied in the fourth quarter in all five of their games to begin the air. Baker Mayfield is fearless. Charters are going to need to keep Baker Mayfield and comfortable within the pocket. Don't let him scramble. Don't let him run for first downs and move the chains, stopping the wide receiver. Jarvis Landry is. A must, then you limit David joke, you and your forcing some of the other Browns players to step up in their role players at best. Make somebody else. Beach, you on defense. Brands are gonna come after rivers, Myles Garrett, Gerard, Avery and these corners are gonna stick. These charters wide receivers. They're going to have to find space there have to manufacture some yards. Melman Gordon could have to run hard on Sunday and this all line will have to contain Larrea gun should be in the middle. So the Browns team is tough. They're starting to build some confidence under Baker and the chargers are gonna have to travel the Cleveland. My record so far this year, the four podcast I've done so far four and, oh, this isn't the week that I'm gonna lose and this isn't the week. The chargers lose either. I got the charges winning this contest and close one twenty two sixteen charges come out on top, get a road win. So that's it. Nothing, but a breakdown. No bullshit. No, nothing. And I'm here for our pre sheet. You guys thanks for listening. Don't forget to follow at school, more pot on Twitter. Let's just hope the chargers score more on Sunday. Hi, I'm Karen Fisher ONA tell you about another podcast you should check out. It's called Rico decode every week. I talked to Tekken media's key players about how they're changing our world. I interview tech executives like Facebook, CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, political figures like Hillary Clinton and media personalities, like John, Kerry you literally wrote the book on thoroughness. Once again, the name of the show is Rico decode hosted by me, Kerris Fisher. You can find it on apple podcast or wherever you listen to the show, see you there.

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 10/01/19

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:02 min | 1 year ago

Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 10/01/19

"Never miss a day of squawk box America's most powerful morning show with the Squawk pod daily podcast. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts and it. CNBC DOT com the mission is simple to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field investors. There's always working summer and I promised help you find may have money starts Kramer Walken Boggling Kramer Adorn France. I'm just trying to save you some money. My job disinterested entertained but educate teach. You put this in context. Call me one eight hundred seventy three ORC tweet me at Jim Cramer listen to me. The market deserve to get hit today. When the purchasing managers index measures the strength the beneficiary slips to its lowest level since two thousand nine. Everybody's GonNa Freak out. There worried about a recession session. Which is why the Dow lost three hundred forty four points. P fell one point two three percent and the Nasdaq dropped one point one three percent percents speak telling you this market was due for this down but I also told you that. I don't believe we're headed into recession. I'm standing by that position but the recession thesis became more compelling today and you need to get your head around that. If you want to understand this market. Let me lay it all out for you. One place the single biggest prop behind the recession thesis is the President's trade policy but maybe not the way you think trump's MS tariffs on Chinese exports have done real damage to the Chinese economy second largest in the world as China falters it is taking the rest of its trading partners with it especially Europe throw in worries about brexit along with a lack of fiscal stimulus from Germany and you've got a worldwide slowdown going. It's one that we might not be immune to secure sound pretty airtight. Does it so then how come up more worried about a recession and everybody else was the last step yes. There's it's a worldwide slowdown but I don't see doing as much damage here. If we were export oriented manufacturing economy the United States well. We'd be in a lot of trouble but we have a service driven economy. Two thirds of our commerce is non industrial domestic. We're late stage capitalist country. Only our exports are really vulnerable but our manufacturing any fashion pieces already been devastating ago. What are we actually sell the rest of the world airplanes and automobiles and look a big export. Maybe the biggest it's the Boeing seven thirty-seven Max grounded think about that gentleman. It's on strike think about that. So we see that is purchasing managers index number today you take those two factors into account. I don't think people did I think they explain a lot of the of the step down that we're talking about in other words. We're not going back to the two thousand nine economy. That's the worst since the Great Depression Data experts could take us down like that. They're too small lucky or not. I guess to do all that much damage which that's why I want to put today's action in a different context from what you might have heard. We got hit today because we were due for a pullback think about the mortgage is heading credible year. Yes seventy percent for the twenty one thousand nine. We're now on the fourth quarter. Superior Mutual Funds Typically Begin to take profits so that investors like you can do some tax planning. It's natural remember. I predicted this pullback two weeks ago and I had no idea about the number we got today. I said there'd be something off-the-wall that would hurt us. I hadn't known that was going to be this. The truth is that the market already gotten severely overbought hence why we've been ringing the redshift Mike Albatross. I'm in coming out here pretty much every day and tell you we've been reading the register. It could find out more by joining the Action Alerts Plus Dot Com club which I'm pretty adamant that well. Oh dister tae we actually did for the first time buying a little because I think the average is could have more downside and sold some two by but it's the first buying I've sanctioned because it lasts if today so much profit taking or oversold what else okay the market has been exhausted Austin by initial public offerings. The buyers are no longer interested in or more accurately are repulsed by. I told you this was going to happen that there were come a day where the been so many deals that it could wreck the whole darn market companies rapid growth in no prophets of going out of style in the Wall Street fashion show so there's little demand for something like a Peleton which came public twenty nine last week. I told you to sell it and now the twenty two dollars and change. That's the latest in a long line of disappointing deals and they're weighing on the averages averages. Thank you uber third. We got a rude awakening of what could happen during early season when the brokerage talks collapsed on news the Charles Schwab will no longer take a commission the host of products including stocks and options swab stock trump nine percent traits plunged sixteen percent e Gad's Teamer Chery Down Twenty twenty five percent when the other end also some positives. Let's keep track of these right. You don't hear much about it. There was McCormick Spice Company therefore is slightly better than expected a quarter. It stocks shot up. Get this at least seven percent mostly because strengthen this particular brand of francs so it'd be too worried about the attorney season. There's going to be good and sped for Washington. In this matter. Two weeks ago I interviewed Speaker Nancy Pelosi and she talked about the need. I work together with the president to pass the new Nafta the revised trade deal with Mexico and Canada. It's essential to so many companies and their employees but just a few days later the Ukraine story broke and suddenly she's leading the charge impeachment hard to work with the president on the trade agreement and impeach him. I'm at the same time the on that however every may feel about impeachment potential spillover effects are undeniable and they're jarring people. There's a belief with the trump won't be able to get a trade deal from China. It'd be some in the house because the Chinese just on that for certain cutback on business investment more importantly depending on how bad this gets for the president. There's a real possibility that it could lead to a democratic sweep in next year's elections some input Elizabeth Warren in the White House. She's the putative leader and give her both chambers of Congress. Wall Street is terrified of warm. I think a lot of that is over. Bone of my view does not matter as long as this is the narrative that terrified by Warne and boy is it ever the narrative we need to be prepared for endless of selling every time there's some new development with impeachment proceedings or another pulled it puts warned ahead of say Biden in the primaries and that could last up until election day so how come losing sweet sleep over the scenario for starters. It is very early in the race. We have no idea what will happen trying to bet on the election election results more than a year in advance. I think that's a fool's game on top of that. There's always a possibility that trump will get a trade deal with China. I think the chances are slim but the president thinks he's slipping. He might be a lot more willing to compromise with the Chinese but the main reason I'm not worried about a warm White House or at least as much as the other guy is that I just don't. I think it's going to be nearly as big a deal as people think. Wall Street is acting as this is her playbook does she's Chairman Mao. Frankly that's wounded. See I spent going to raise taxes on the very rich well shocker. She's been saying that I go after companies that she believes her too. Powerful like Teddy Eddie Roosevelt did more than a century ago as Mark Zuckerberg pointed out. It will suck for facebook if she goes after them but it won't be able to take his case to a court of law. Maybe A win Warren break-up big tech. I had to tell you as I see. The price earnings ratios of these stocks collapse. Beth might be that bad if say let's say she says alphabet as we broke it up now. They may not want okay but it might be positive for sure. Let me get some youtube way more way. Mo and you get the healthcare thing and get search fact that that's going to add up to heck of lot more than the stock this right now yeah. The parts are now worth more than the worst thing for the stock. I see Warren pushing tax capital gains and yet at the same as ordinary income. That's not something new. It's happened because rich people do benefit inwardly from keeping those rates lower because they own more star. It's certainly impossible to investors will sell stock ahead of time in an effort to anticipate that change but again. I'm telling you that really feels like jumping. Here's the bottom line. I am not not saying it's time to head for the exit. In fact I am saying the opposite if you've been selling stock for weeks to raise cash as I've been advised to this is a good time to start looking for stocks to by in the weakness in we've got some. We're GONNA mentioned later in the show but if you're living in fear of recession or of the prospect of Elizabeth Warren Presidency I think you're going to miss missiles terrific opportunities and I think you're too scared tack reasonably protect or Grow Your Wealth Joel in Florida Jol all gem. I I wanNA thank you for your advice making me a lot of my Florida. I'd be glad to give you lessons of learning to play article. Game a highlight question not just watching the play but used to go to Big Ben highlight when it opened Tallahassee and you're talented man I gotta tell you that's fine the front the front. It's a beautiful sports. My question is at some time ago. Do you recommend it skyward solutions which I bought it six dollars a share I pyramid it up over several years and I guess guy works went went sky high to over one hundred to avoid being labeled a pig. I sold some for a Nice Fat Prophet and left some on the cable. I think they call the plane witthaus right right. That's my goal now. Diverge descended from the celestial hundred to about seventy seven. My question is do I so by or stay the course remember. You're playing with us this money so you don't really have to do anything that was during the stop was at six. We had Mr Older Sean David Elders. I said this stock is going much higher. It went from six to one hundred. Thank you for your memory that I nailed that then. Liam Griffin came in Liam's terrific but this is very much caught in the crosshairs of the trade dispute. I would not buy more. I would not at sell more hold onto it. Liam Griffin please come back on the show and not just because the Patriots look like they're going to go all the way again which is unfortunate. Trevor North Carolina a lot of trevor. Hey Jim I'm twenty three years old and although mcchord cutter listened to the podcast every single morning hey tell you where you can get it thank you hey jim so. I got twenty three point eight percent of my mad money portfolio tied up in canopy growth at a forty dollar cost basis okay what can be gross hitting this fifty two week low double down here or Google or something like. GW Pharma well. I got an answer reform terrific okay and I know that there were some short rate on it. GW Farmers Real but constellation insulation brands reports in the third. Let's see what they have to say about Canada where we pull the trigger on anymore right. I do not believe we're going to have a recession or I I. I understand that you make discreet but it's important to take a deep breath and don't let panic take over and you know what I gotTa tell you. I have seen enough times in my life that that people have been trying to let say take quotes from chairman now. I don't see that right now. With one of the presidential candidates people think is doing man money. Threat Chinese meals are back in the news as rumors squirrel at the governor's considering limiting Chinese puppies access. US Capital Markets. What does it mean for a recent Chinese APP. IOS A more you might take. This isn't the Susu. SEC's him well then even a trade war. People have to eat so taking a closer look at the appetite place. 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Friday Bloomberg reported that the White House might be on board with making it harder for Chinese companies to access American Capital Markets but yesterday appear Navarro Zero Rally President Trump's most hawkish train visor. Kimmel squawk box walked back coined the story fake news. I gotta say that's actually too bad. We should make it harder for Chinese companies to raise money here in the United States and I'm not even talking about this in the context of the trade. This is purely about protecting investors from garbage merchandise. What we need is a moratorium on Chinese. IPO's as I've been telling you for ages copies from China keep coming public here in the United States and for the most part this day luge of deals has been a nightmare for anyone participated in that there are a few winners but for the most part Chinese have been incredibly toxic to your wealth since we've had thirty one of these deals last year in fourteen more in twenty twenty one thousand nine use it almost all them are underwater on average. These stocks have fallen thirty two percent from from where does price if you go by where they closing their first day of trading. They're down thirty seven percents in the market. It's already overwhelmed with low-quality initial public offerings. The last thing we need is more questionable securities from China which has much weaker regulation surrounding all this stuff than we do. Chinese cut the should comply with our disclosure. Rules makes a ton of sense. If you WANNA wish your stocks using change you shouldn't have to follow you a securities law in fact it's total lunacy that this isn't already the status quo what happens when you let. Chinese companies take advantage of of our stock market without subjecting into the same disclosure requirements as US companies. I'll tell you what happens. Investors get burned. That's what so tonight I wanNA lay aalto quantitative case for imposing some kind of limitations on new. US listings for companies based in the People's Republic of China when when you look at all forty five Chinese names came public here in two thousand eighteen and the first twenty nineteen their underperformance is staggering. I I told you before these Chinese are down an average of thirty two percent for they came public thirty two percent and that's not just a few bad apples spoil and a whole bunch the median eighty in Chinese. IPO was down more than thirty seven percent of all forty five stops. Only six are up from the closing price on the first day of trading sex ex- in fact. There's a whole pattern here the median Chinese. IPO P twenty to counter day sector came a third of them pete one or either first or second can day of trading roughly two-thirds have been cut in half from the post. IPO is in other words typically Chinese may start strong and wore higher in the first few weeks but then they quickly get pete and then they tend to get this when you look specifically at the question twenty thirty one deals only three of those stocks are now above their IPO only three now those three winters winners are up anywhere from twenty percent to ninety five percents. There are often the ones that are thrown at me on twitter by a bunch of sunshine clowns. There's reasons to be excited about the Chinese Chinese deals but that doesn't come close to offsetting the twenty eight losers southern which are down eighty or ninety percent from where they came public thanks PRC as for the fourteen Chinese deals from the class of twenty nineteen only four above their IPO price and who knows how long those four will continue to hold up. Those are returnable arts. I would sellable while this year's crop is only down eighteen percent on average member. DSP's up seventy percent this only eighteen percent the media's much worse down thirty two percent more than half of these stocks within a week of coming public. I think twenty eighteen inches doing worse simply because those newer names haven't had as much chance yet to disappoint point you. What more can I say. The overall track record of these deals is abysmal. There are some stations though the larger Chinese comes ten better but even with the weirdest most of their gains came came on the first day so I would sell any of these and invest in companies with the disclosure stronger because his Justice Louis Brandeis famously pointed out sunlight is the best disinfectant. How about a more in depth example. Why don't we consider the case when you vest about many times. Let's mio an idea which came public a little over a year ago. Normally I wouldn't talk about a dollar thirty two stock. That's right. It's a dollar thirty two but anti O'Neill has a one point three eight billion dollar market capitalization and more than twenty six million shares changing every day. Do we go neo was trading at three bucks. It's only blow our usual requirements because it's fallen so fast so far. That's why it's the the perfect example. Neil luxury electric electric cars sounds compelling so going in the deal was hailed widely Chinese Tesla. We've seen the same story so many sometimes the Chinese is Chinese that news. IPO prices price at six bucks change then it's shoot to thirteen dollars and eighty cents two days later because of all the hype to this day that remains to stocks axel time high neo quickly gave up the gains trading back to the mid single digits then February sixty minutes ran a segment on China's China's drive to dominate the electric. Get your car industry. Were they called. Neo The Chinese Tesla. So of course the stock caught fire in surged back to ten and change once again. Those gains didn't last a few weeks later. It was back in five and it's been all downhill. Simpson's stuck in the past few weeks while been wrong. I about a month after the sixty minutes piece China announced it was scaling back. Its electric vehicle subsidies. He's very good news for neo then in June. They had to recall nearly five thousand vehicles after number them caught fire sub optimal finally last week the company much larger than expected loss. Now you have all sorts of animals speculation. You could run out of cash when a matter of yours have a week's meanwhile the actual tool. Tesla's build a factory in Shanghai getting ready to take China by storm. This is a textbook example. Help people get burned by Chinese abuse. The both eases for neo could be a boil down to to a single since Chinese Tesla is a great elevator pitch but there was no underlying brigger then this dot gets crushed by a series of unforeseen events rule change from China's government a big product recall shackling earnings numbers. I bring this up not to give neo a hard time but because Neil stereotypical the bottom line the west thing we need eight right now are more low quality Chinese. IPO's I would love for our government to block these deals. Bring farthest what happens when the trade talks because they are hazardous to your wealth but even if these Chinese ideals keep coming you can avoid getting burned with this one simple trip joss say day stick hi everybody. I'm becky quick along with Joe Kernan and Andrew Sorkin welcome Squawk pod from CNBC. That's right. We are launching a podcast. Everyday squad brings you the best stories debate and analysis from the most powerful show in business news news. You'll hear interviews from our guest special behind the scenes content in the latest headlines. Everything you expect from squawk box in a podcast let us on. CNBC DOT dot com slash podcast apple podcasts or on your favorite podcast APP subscribe to Squawk Pod. Today I keep telling you this markets turney vicious at least for the moment and that means you need need to get a little more selective stocks. You won't come can thrive even time on certainty even if the trade war drags on the put impeachment makes American businesses gun talk about spending money so what might be worth picking out here consider some of the better run fast food chains with stocks that have been holding up pretty well of. I remember the consumer. Economy is still in very good shape. The weakest here is Mosul the enterprise side of things. We've seen solid retail sales discretionary spending numbers. Some of the best news job market's incredibly strong best fifty years wages are rising somewhat although not so much inflationary so the Fed could cut rates in short the consumers money to spend and everybody needs to eat eight but just like every other sector pays to be picky with the restaurants which is failing theme in today's market now some of the sit down places like behind brands dance think hop and applebee's Dave and buster's Darden brinker. They've struggled to bring in customers leave. The fast food chains on the other hand have lines out the door because they appeal to more value conscious launches consumers. That's why tonight we're going off the charts with the help of Bob Line the founder of explosive options dot net suppose being the brain technician the All star team on the street DOTCOMS TRIFECTA stocks newsletter and he's also the author of know your options. We're going to get a better read on three of his favorite fast food stocks McDonald's Japodlay and Jack in the box be thousands police particularly intrigued me someone who spent some time later in the show addressing why I like them long-term and short-term let's start with the daily chart only thought of McDonald's Scott Sam today after JP Morgan published a pretty negative note predicting it's the same store sales would come in weaker than expected. This quarter in response to stock plunged more than five dollars. This was really we some of the major weakness in the Dow Jones average it was pretty terrible at the beginning thing is becomes incredibly well run company as I'll explain later in the show. I have enormous faith in the CEO Steve easterbrook. He has turned around the company with technology was smarts in the last quarter sexwale seem. I want to take this piece of research for the grain of salt now just important. Lang Lang really likes what he's seeing in the chart so we're doing chart and then funds even the McDonalds got hit today the stock. It's been a major role all right. It's up seventeen percent for twenty nine hundred not bad so far. It's been a series of higher highs higher lows language out that every time there's been a dip in this one that tip has been by and as you can see every time and this time well. Let's see last month. McDonalds broke down below. Its floor of support. That's the fifty day moving average which blue on at currently to fourteen and this often happens to stocks without a strong floor still live thinks the pullback smells like an opportunity the moving average convergence divergence or the Mac de la which is right here. That's an important momentum indicator. It will be called bullish crossover. That's where the black line goes above the red one. It's a pretty reliable signal that the stock is ready to hit higher. There's been no degradation that it still continues to work plus the whims percentage. I remember we had lower waves disentis stuff. This is his officer measures went a stock has gotten over Puerto oversold it now shows it lasts. Mathausen the oversold territory which has always been a by indicator. Come come down to forty two fast two for bounce. What if we want something less ambiguous okay now. Here's my absolute favorite to look at this thing member again doing doing chart first and then later on funds this just exploded higher. It's up more than ninety percent year to date and I think a lot of it is the leadership of CEO Brian Nickel and the fact that the companies finally gotten over all those healthcare worries from years ago. Member American public thinks about eighteen months and then they forget just the way it is. It's far in the rear view mirror to pull your mates one of the great quote stores. There's out there company invested heavily in technology. Get those lines moving faster and process more customers. They've cleaned up the stores. They're rolling out lots of enticing new menu options. You resistible Carney asylum now for the chart. Lang thinks has got a lot going for every time you pull it pulls back to fifty day moving average. The Stock Rebounds Heart like it did last last month. That's encouraging action at the same time. There's the issue mojo cloud. We've listen to this before that said Greenspace Lavar this technical tool that uses a bunch of moving averages just to give you a read on the whole situation glance when the issue mogul cloud is green and expanding like it is fully. That's a good sign right now. The stock is kind of going sideways. Consolidating got a monster game from the summer members. Florida's best firms talk in the espy. That's why Lang says. It's a by right here something. I agree with it again. I'll talk about that show. Progresses police got assume resistance at eight hundred fifty and once breaks that ceiling well. Let's just say there could be a lot more upside might take some time before the break habits. Lang says it's worth the wait a great finally now. This is one that I'm not covering fundamentally because I'm not as bullish as as Baba's Jack in the box. This is a company that competes directly gives McDonald's Jackson quarter spectacular. That's why this talk had a gigantic gap higher in in August okay and that worries me that it had such big gap. This thing has been on fire though ever since making new I've ever done the market's pullback over the last couple of months. Jack in the box is held up remarkably well the stocks now above all keep moving average each move clouds is bullshit gets angry and expanding while Jack in the box locks isn't overbought territory according to the Williams percentage are right all that's what worries me by the way a little overboard. I wanted to come down to that gap this might if you want the embedded situation where there's so much man. I stock that it gets overbought. Stays there for weeks or months. They discussed the embedded in get rich quick. It's it really confounds me. It's the stock doc so overbought that it stays over and wins. That's it's a positive sign now. For for the past few weeks jet has been stuck in a pretty tight trading range but this is what's soonest ascending triangle see that okay and that's where stocks resistance stays roughly flat even as the the floor support keeps rising whereas matter because this was usually what's called a continuation pattern. We're stocked pauses to consolidate after big move then resumes that move once it's ready in other words. Jack in the box might be marking time here before its next. I got lying says it's his favourite. Here's the bottom line. If you looking for something it might be worth by in this difficult market. We have difficult market. You can do a lot worse. The best one fast food chains the charges introvert by blanks Jack in the box and to have much more room to run and McDonald's were snapping happy up later this show all out my view long-term. I like McDonalds to police should be bought now. I have to do more work on Jack in the box because I just don't think this one is as easy easy as Bob says it is. Let's go to Pam California. Please Pan Hayabusa Jim. I'm collar longtime listener thank you. I have a question for you. STARBUCKS S. B. U. X. has been on the coffee high for the last year with gains around seventy five percent and beating aftermath for the last eight quarters so do you think they can sustain their global growth as they have been doing in China and should I stay caffeinated. Get More caffeinated or dump my still i. I liked that. I liked the way you're poaching that I have to tell you. I've been waiting for starbucks to come down in order to tell people look once again. It's ready to go and you know what it is. Come down a lot and I think that I believe that you should own the stock in a terrific quarter terrific. You're Kevin Johnson is doing well. They're taking profits in the stock like they're taking too many others. Their cold brew during the afternoon is crushing. It starbucks is a bike John in Michigan John. Jim Love the show. I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on. GROP hobbits being shorted by Jim Chainsaws Roy got at two two hundred two hundred EPS well. Here's you need. Here's the problem with club. I own two restaurants and I have to tell you that the war between Grub and this outfit Door Dash Post mates so the big ads this week with Martha restored post mates. It is just too difficult for anyone make money in that environment the other two guys are private. They can lose all the money. They want so grub this budget. It's it's very well run and I hadn't as everybody knows WHO's. You've had management on. I think that mornings terrific. I think that business is too hard even for someone as good good as Matt always welcome on the show all right. Don't let the market pool fast when you get more selective about what you own the charts suggest Jack in the box to Poli and McDonald's can thrive in uncertain times two out of three. I agree with what I'm looking for surge of profits in my school with the CEO of con Ed. Oh Oh boy talking about something you did alone then on day. One of the hardest hit pockets is also one of the best long-term plays out there. So what should you do with some of these restaurant chains all all your gold and of course oil costs later tonight station up the lightning round. Stay with framer. What do you do in the market gets slammed by worries about the broader economy well. classically you pile into the defensive stocks. The ones that can do just fine in a slowdown utilities what is strengthened. Consolidated Edison kind of short are locally toting the New York Metro area. Here's stock. That's up twenty three percent for the year including a ten percent gain since the end of July. You know I've been telling you over and over again. This is as the utility to own now. These levels candidate is selling for twenty times next year's earnings three point one percent dividend you but something else think it's got more room to run especially. If long term issues keep coming hey just last week. Key Bank upgraded the stock to overweight arguing that Wall Street's attitude toward copies to negative so it doesn't make sense to buy this one. If you're worried about where we might be beheaded. Let's check in with John McAfee the chairman president. CEO of consolidated us get a better sense about companies doing and we're headed. Mr Monti good to see you great to see you. Thanks for having okay so first John. Everybody's worried about the slow down the economy. Whether it's real or not too worried classically people say wait a second. We should on utilities because people will will pay for the bill. No matter what that's still true right utilities have typically been inversely correlated to interest rate. I think particularly long term interest rates some actually view it as a bond alternative. Now that's cyclical. That's a knife that cuts both ways. We benefit as a sector as interest rates. Go Down we get hurt on the other end is interest rates. Come up most rate certainly seem to going down now. You're in a growing area. Does that matter it does and and growth in many different ways the transition to a clean energy economy that we're pursuing New York really provide significant opportunities for investment that will benefit our customers. We work to make sure that all of our investments Sir optimized than the value and customers and adopt things like solar panels battery storage electric vehicles and energy efficiency so typically I would say wait. Wait a second second if it's going to be more energy efficient and it's going to be more natural. It's going to cost more. You're telling me that's not the case. There are places where it we'll quest mode the the adoption and build of the infrastructure to support the transition to the clean energy economy will have places where it has upward pressure on costs now. Will you be able to put through rate. Increases that are state regards reasonable still conceive. We allow forgiven increases so we're in the midst of a rape case now for Canada's and company of New York. We've filed for gas and electric rates in January. We're currently we reached an agreement in principle in early. September and we're working through the details with the parties. Those were all confidential angel at this point but we expect we'll have a joint proposal ready to issue by the end of this month a historically if you get the kind of joint proposal. Would there be room historically to raise so historically New York. If you get a joint proposal usually courses the finish line I can't think of any exceptions in recent history and that will support give us the support report that we it allows us. They continue to invest and support dividend growth. I don't predict wheel dividends will be next year but we've got forty five consecutive years of dividend increase priest the longest of any utility in the back you axiomatic now when you save on one energy who benefits so the environment benefits the customer benefits and it allows us to invest less in the system which is another way that if he's back to okay so what do I have here that would actually make it so that maybe energy used to be lowered so this is a device that we're we're currently making available to electric vehicle users sup- plugs into the data port of an electric vehicle and if you charge within our service territory and enrolling off program if you charge between midnight and eight. Am You'll get a forty percents discount on the electric price for a typical user. That's five hundred dollars a year plus the enrollment bonus of one hundred and fifty dollars and it's better for the stakeholder which is the that we think is very important in a pivot twenty nineteen near-earth at the end there to some degree. You're actually at odds with the administration because you don't think what the as doing or is been wanting to do it the right thing versus these kinds of things this is particularly attractive because it's more and more more e electric vehicles roll out part of what's going to need we need to make it successful is to ensure that there are incentives to charge them during off peak periods that limit with the amount of infrastructure investment that has to be made amateur. We'll get an electric generation prices at what is typically the lowest part the part they referred to in the we have have opposed the relaxation of upstream natural gas rules that were recently opposed by APA. We think natural gas continues to be part of the solution the bridge to the to the clean energy future and when we see that there were things being relaxed it's inconsistent with our approach of minimizing exposure emissions wherever poss- okay but let me just push back and say hey listen if I'm not in Konig area and I want bigger dividend increases. I support what the president wants so I think we if you look in in detail those proposals they will tend to be utilized by relatively small comeback customer companies the ones that are on the mortgage right. We don't expect it will have a significant ignificant impact on the overall industry now the when we think there's been a big increase in cyberterrorism and I have to believe that we have all these companies orange you put your stuff in the cloud and then maybe you're driving around and they hacked the cloud to me. No I don't want to be specific kind of but utility the bad dies would like to knock out until I think we've seen whole country's been plagued by knocked out of utilities. I sometimes I think it is cyber tar. How do you stop these. It's a we consider that we are high a high profile target for them and we act accordingly. We are very focused on reducing the cyber threat. We have a four stage philosophy. Avi Prevent detect mitigate every I'm roots fine prevent means having secure firewalls good cyber hygiene and testing that with outsiders on a very regular basis detect many times when there are traditions the people have been in your system for many months before they actually act electing data that looking at patterns earns so having detection mechanisms to know what that somebody has has intruded into system is very important mitigate means that you're able to respond you know how to isolate really parts of your system. You know how to operate without those parts of the system and then recover means that you have the resources in the plan ready to get back to full strength. Our industry has one particular day. We have what's called Cyber Mutual Assistance in the same way. When there's an overhead storm we provide people from right from unaffected utilities through the effect that utility we have an agreement around on mutual assistance for cyber so if one of the these hit will we already have pre agreements to allow our technical people to go and help that utility. Are we using less senator per person or are we using. We're using less energy per person because of things like this because we're being conservative because the light bulbs. Why are we winning on this because a lot of people feel were not it. It is around energy efficiency more than anything as much as we talk about renewables and they deserve a big headline energy efficiency for our service territory is usually better for the environment better for the customer in terms of their bill then than even solar or wind opportunities. That's terrific well. I WanNa thank you so much John Mac chairman presidency of Consolidated Edison ever since we started the show almost fifteen years ago. This is been our favorite. Now you know why if you just beginning to watch may have money back after the break is recommended the and then the lights. Are you ready Skate Dot Mat now. Ma'am Oh man dad what's up. Was I robot. I are no no our door. We need right now Matt in Texas Kramer. Thanks for all you appeal court. Welcome hey well. What is your opinion on Black Scientists Corporation. As it saves assistant they've got the great. I N N thank colon cancer. detection stock is a little out of paper right now but that's okay. I think it's good. Let's go to Nikki Nikki Nikki Boyer. Jim Fobel go ahead Jim then a long time wasting man all right. Let's let's go to work Kim. I'm concerned even is high and the skill of the company is regulated by Yoursel Allison California. Alex doctor say what's going on dollars from Los Angeles longtime longtime. Oh good deal on a down day like the figured I asked. You buy the stock that pays ten percent dividend and what do you think about. She am trying mirror no now. We're like against all this stuff that we don't understand exactly what they own. He'll say starts going Jim. When are they honestly like. I don't know that's not good enough. You deserve better. I'm going to say no to that. Let's go to Dominic in California dominant Jim. My grandson has has a question for you about a stock shirt Kramer on the fourteen year old veteran. I'm calling about a very profitable company that has both earning and revenue the medical aesthetic company that birth perjury technology and the stock name is inland. What do you think about it. Here's a fourteen year old just stopped me. He stumped me. I don't know that Israeli company. I have to do more well. It's not it's an Illinois company but here's the problem with these guys. Just you know this is a medical device. Company that does dermatology and those are tricky. We've got to do more just gas. Just ask what happened. You don't want that Tap Leo in New Jersey Leo Clever Boya. Well thank you. I'M A I'm a Jersey at myself talking to help. I took a small and fun. Netflix and it's been down by thirty percents right so what you think I should do not netflix span here. I got this Disney got. The Gum got the CBS got the dizzy. I got the ESPN now. There's too many competitors. I'm saying exchange changed since the very low price and that put as I mentioned earlier we're doing off the charts. One of the hardest hit stocks today so also one of the best investments over here McDonald's. Why was it down two point six percent because J. P. Morgan put out a piece of research arguing that McDonald's third quarter results will come in weaker than expected despite a very strong labor market and very little expansion in the industry. These are two good things for for big tiles. Shaping pinpoint is covered. The Esperance is too high into the tracking surface. They use things have deteriorated. McDonald's is losing market. Share to independent betters gets worse while delivery could be a major opportunity for the Golden Arches J.P. Morgan Research says that it might be a little more complicated but dolls partner with Uber each delivery Uber eats use that money to build out their platform and now they've added thousands of other restaurants that compete very effectively gets McDonald's in other words the May of so the the seeds of their own destruction at the very least an environment where everybody delivers. It's much less than an edge. I gotta take this really tough kind of call even JP. I'm working knowledge is that despite all these negative they still rate McDonald's by Gal but I get it. I think thousands of by two US Bob Lang early show. There's just one problem dusit. Almost every single firm follows the stock has a bio on it and when I see that's an accident waiting to happen if any of these other animals to their own checks and they get some results. They're likely to downgrade given this up. Seventeen percent for a dowry could cost a major sell off these levels. Don't get me wrong. I spent most of the analysts will defend McDonald's tomorrow especially after the hammering to today but man if you've been a bonus stock Everson Steve who took over CEO and turn things around. It's gotta be tempting. I think to Declare Victory Dump The stock ring the register and say so what he do even though the stock may be precarious what I'm more worried right about is what happens if you sell it and then try to get back in and a lower level wants to take over kind of a hedge fund thing. Most people aren't that nimble especially. If you have a full-time job where you can't play with your stock portfolio day so we're learning lesson he get out. Get Back in plus. We can't even sure that JP Morgan spirits challenge extra correct. I couldn't even tell you how many times I've seen these. The projections go totally off. The rails happens all the time in the end. I like to Zig Zag this morning. The calendar changed. That's right. We're now in October and that's when when in which are Tober money managers start piling into the year's biggest winners they WANNA show investor's day where smart when they reveal their holdings. You'll know Oh wow look with day on right now. There's no bigger win in the five hundred then. It's up ninety two percent for the year. I think a lot of the weakness that we hear about McDonald's may have to do with a lack of motions that are compelling to police the opposite. It's got a terrific one time. Carney Asada a tender hand cut steaks. I've already had two of them and most importantly it has teamed up with Jordache to expand its delivery capabilities in a new system look at New York just even a couple months ago. You could not get chipotle's deliver now now. There are parts of the city covered. I think they're taking share from all though I respect what yum brand has been doing here. I mentioned earth delivery. Businesses is cut for business. Don't own delivery companies onto poly so if you want to buy a restaurant right now you want to buy stock. I go over McDonald's with Chipotle Oy but if you're a long term hold McDonald's I'm. I'm telling you to ride out. The weakness is even if something's wrong. I'm confident Steve. This group will fix it yes. He's that good that not that chart is what matters stick with. Greg and I'm not being. Let's not forget the markets up about seventeen percent. Is it not right to expect a sell off when we get a kind of not so oh hot industrial number but remember two-thirds of our economy is consumer and stop freaking every minute about Washington. It's becoming a white unseemly the estimate it is it's making it so that you're not making the right decisions. They're not making consider decisions. You're making your decisions out of fear. That's wrong like say. There's always someone I promised certify just for you right here on that money. I'm Jim Cramer. I will see you to morrow. 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.NET Core 3 Launch with Scott Hunter

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.NET Core 3 Launch with Scott Hunter

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dot com welcome back to dot net rocks this is carl franklin and and this is richard camp and we recorded this way back in september on september sixth with mr scott hunter and we've been sitting on it as we do sometimes to make sure that doesn't pre-release unofficially let let the truth come out but but then i think i like our analysis in conversations about it right and also know that is twenty days old so we only really know what mr hundred tells us but before we can talk to scott let's roll crazy music for better know a framework awesome it's all right well this came through medium mm dot com the mission joel pointed out to me and it's an article about ambient noise generators for creative creative work it's the best ambient noise generators oh interesting yeah and he sort of thought well you know i'm into this music to co by focused focused getting stuff which is again meant to be used ambient really yeah i mean it's not ambient noise it's ambient music but but so i just wanna read a paragraph here from this article that says a twenty twelve study from the journal of consumer research found that quote a moderate level of background noise enhances creativity but just as importantly the study found that when participants listen to louder ambient noise they spent less time when they're given tasks researchers say this indicates reduced information processing which would be counterproductive to most creatives goals and i wonder did you ever have a do you ever have a neighbor who just wanted to be a jerk and put their speakers in their windows and just blasted bad music towards your house it's just because they didn't like you or something no but i get what you're talking about yeah i mean try to write any code you know with motley lately crew just idle achey break your heart would be harder but okay yeah actually there's a holistic songs i could quote but but that's actually going on in my immi- neighborhood no catering the last few weeks yeah yeah yeah it started with this neighbor across it's the street diagonally who got divorced or whatever and has a boyfriend the boyfriend doesn't live there but the boyfriend has somehow oh convinced her to put speakers in the windows and crank music all the time and our neighbors you know on our side of the street are just like like livid about it so we have this well there are laws right i mean you have noise there are noiseless but get this the cops didn't even know what they were great so my neighbor actually we went to the town got the ordinance gave it to the cops and it was like oh that's what that going forced this now going forced this yeah yeah but it is really true like if there's just some try to write code with just like going on is just not happening or listening to dot net rocks it's kind of the same day well i gotta say you know i've been doing a lot of work on the book up at the coast place which means i always have the sound of the ocean beauty i think is a pretty good ambient noise that's beautiful beautiful yeah that's perfectly it's part of what really it apparently it works right according to this article this is the thing it's a thing can't argue with your brother i certainly feel latte way yeah well that's what i got who's talking to us today mr campbell grabbed a comedy show sixteen thirty four from may of twenty nineteen with one scott hunter we talked about dot net core three back when it was still under development shashlik came out during build and they were talking about the build announcements related to core three and this is also when they announced that c. sharp eight was only going to be a part of core because of certain restrictions complications and things they were doing c. sharp pain such as null reference types there's a bunch of other reasons and not a trivial thing would just sort of spoke to this progression forward and the comments on the show were really positive i mean even even if it is a bit concerning for folks that are still on the the classic framework you know it's not like anything's anything's going away here this particular common comes from stephanie says wow that was a proper dot net rocks show and most of them you know as implied are are improper that is the implication isn't it well you know i've talked about for some time now that that the iraq is really about dot net developer and there aries a broader scope of things like accessibility and devops and so forth that i think dot net developers really need to be involved is sure not just doc net and we'd like to have those conversations within the context of dot net so that they know we're developers absolutely that being said once in a while we get just talk about dot net and sixty thirty one of those shows seven goes on to say i am very happy excited about the future direction of dot net beyond dot net core three three as outlined by scott and i had to laugh out loud when hearing richards reaction to electron which i'm sure you know he said something along the lines of consuming way too much memory and and becoming the this necessary plague he fully agrees says the memory footprint and proliferation of electron based apps apsis caused me some inconvenience four of the applications that are part of my daily development workflow are electron based and he lists them as julia lia pro slash juno VS code the azure storage explorer and azure data studio and so i would point out that at least three of those electron apps are for microsoft and every one of them thinks it's entitled to all of my memory i actually have to keep track of how many of these apps are already running and close one before starting another i love that how an app can feel entitled yes yes how much memory does your electronic want want all gotta think if he's part of your workflow to use four electron based apps like i got a i want to look at your task manager man like holy man that's got to be something that's at least a gig each sounds likely sounds like works quick stop well plus you think about your it's your workflow so it's running for hours and that's the thing with electron apps the longer they go look at you slack hunger longer they go anyway stephan we're with you and the good news of course is that electron is owned by microsoft none of the hasn't always been open source projects it has either way so i gotta think i gotta ho i hold it in my heart hearts there's some really smart people looking seriously is what it's going to take to make electron more efficient because it's not going away it's an awesome solution to a bunch of problems right except for that whole memory memory thing yeah and so a copy of co buys on its way to use speaking ambient music and if you'd like copy music oh by write a comment on the website at dawn rox dot com or on facebook publish every show there and if you comment on that show and i read it then we'll send you copies khobar i'm bringing in desktop back you're those win thirty two apps don't know how to act you're okay i ask your daughter okay okay well anyway let's bring on oh you know before we bring on scott i just want to tell you to follow us on twitter i'm at rich campbell he's a carl franklin wait a minute switch that reverse servers mccaw franken rich campbell send us a tweet i have no joke just just tweet us tell us we're ok does tells we're not crazy scott hunter is the director program management on dot net team at microsoft is team builds dot net framework dot net core ASP net energy framework the managed languages web dot net tooling in a word all the stuff welcome back scott all the debts of the dad nets this is the job you always wanted isn't it scott like you're you got pulled into microsoft to be involved in dot net and now you're in charge of it yeah i don't know i don't know how that happened must be an awesome i joined microsoft in two thousand seven and i started working in the that's and we were working on on a web forms of time we're just just starting to build espionage at one point oh in that era yeah now our first tipping into the open source space that was the the the recruiting of the ninja army yes scott hanson came out outta that ninja army phil hack chemo that ninja army men rob connery came at ninja army right i also i tend to throw guys is like glenn block in there and you know they've just all the folks that really we had open source seriously embedded in them already and we're just just trying to figure out how to work in microsoft with that system i i went through a moment of panic because i was new to the company and just learning the you know the even even was done at customer before i joined microsoft i knew who you know all the you know the big people were in dot net community that talked a lot and you heard their names a whole bunch and i remember seeing this plan and i'm like we're not going to have a community last because we're going to take them all and hire them all and uh there was there was a moment of panic in my mind i'm like we need to make some more people out there because plan that army was actually just like let's let's let's go harm all and luckily there's there's plenty of more done in inches that appeared top fill the void you made more of effectively i i look at the the wave of cloud developer advocates is something very similar it seemed like they hire microsoft is hired all sorts of cloud centric folks from throughout the ecosystem to the point where you're like is there anybody laughed but it seems to just make more yeah cloud plus languages it's like whoever is a with a java script people were the best python people were the best job of people and then you know wire all that to cloud it was it you're right it feels like the second wave of that exact same thing that happened in two thousand eat very well in this week is a significant milestone in that wave isn't it oh yes i mean the you know the whole dodig worth three is an of a bunch of us is the culmination the nose i remember actually sitting down with phil hack scott hanson we had hired damien edwards and we all kinda sat together and we were we were just kind of you know it's it's a point in time we didn't have a lot of control of power you know dot net all up the we're like you know hey we're gonna make this thing fully open source and cross platform day i remember us sitting there saying that was that was you know you always always gonna think of what's the dream what's the best outcome you ever get to and it was all of us talking about that and and you know it really started community commission two thousand fourteen eighteen when we announced dot net core ship the first version in two thousand sixteen and typical microsoft's this is version three three so it's got to be the best but you know it's always always fun to to think about all four of those people you know what three three plus me we got together after we had gotten out some of the courts out the door and we had a celebration dinner about out a who would have ever thought uh streaming in two thousand eight turn into dot net core in two thousand sixteen so super crappy about that and super happy announce some of the new stuff this week gallons talk about well let's kinda start from the we didn't cool demos in the in the dot net's cough of keynotes and i thought i would talk about the journey of those demos because it it kind of tells the story that we have the day so we you know you start it off with c. sharp so you know dunakor three ships with c. sharp aids and it has a bunch of features in its onto onto my favorite's that we talked about in the in the keno were knowable and nobles feature that will take a while to actually go through the ecosystem in the premise behind gullible is most of us today when you write code we don't do checks in all the places that we should we just call them method expects an object come back use it object in milan and the result of that is you know the abc crashes at some random point with reference we've all seen those and eligible is intact that we built that let's compiler actually warn you and give the era if you don't do the write checks so we talked about a little bit about gullible no reference exception is like the bane of object oriented programming isn't it and all the functional people are always talking about we don't have to do all tax 'cause everything's everything's immutable right exactly and i was gonna say even when when we look at all the crashes that happened dot net's i mean a lot of them are nowhere facing substance i believe we did we did analysis where we built this feature in and it showed would that was the most common crash but another feature is facing streams this being able to you know we we added eysenck awaits versions ago four point five i think at RTM's and but we never had version of of numeral that that worked with that and so that's a that's a feature that kinda comes into this in the way we the way i kinda wanna about story so one of the things we wanted to show it down at palm is the net is awesome for billy mike and a bunch of attack that's actually for his microscopes and so we have this new technology called a worker circles and this this you know when you hear this it's kind of like dopp a worker service is some code starts up and then it waits or something to tell it to go away and then it shuts down a windows service or in links world system d would be the things that you think about this and we never had a great way of building you always get buildings and dining or but we didn't help and so with dominic were three there's a new template in VS and in the cli all work or service and i work this mood up runs an association and then kind of do some do some work until it's told the top that what makes this is temporarily cool rule is you can actually add a new package and it becomes a window service a different package and it becomes a lennox service so super easy a dominant core app and turn it into a window service or olympic service what about cloud services i wanna talk about that well i'm sure you are sorry about that so so the demo what we thought is let's let's go build a micro service and doc in this particular case it's going to be a worker service and what that worker service is going to do is it's going to earn run in a loop and it's gonna it's gonna call whether API it's going to get that weather data and it's going on and so we've got this thing sits in a loop and calls a whether whether API and you couldn't just call it with PI directly because is rate limited which means you're only allowed to call it x number of times per hour or per minutes and so this microsoft is slowly grinds and makes those calls and and stores that data that's great but i wanna talk to that thing and so to talk with let's let's go to the next step in another piece of the added in dynamic where three is GOP and so what we found downed over time is a lot of developers still love bat style contract-based RPC you know hey i want to call a method and and and and get this data back i don't wanna participate in her case i just wanna wanna call my native stuff and have this is this contract so we took that's that worker and we added a GOP see in point to it where now it's it's it's sitting in a lube getting weather data doing service part of itself but there's a way a third party can call into it and and and ask for some of that data to get it back so we had to europe you that and we've got good tooling and visuals right this profile which describes we guy looks like and then you can reference that are at a reference to that and the tools and we'll build the class library to talk to that i will build you the the goop to make it easy to call at API once you once you agree that GOP see and so the first part of what we did is we basically built that service and then we put that serves up in aggravates a case to answer carl's questioned before it's what about cloud service of course we'll take that exact service service we just built and we'll shove it in the cloud so that talks about a new dot net worker service the PC we're going that abridge type found RV c based programming model all on top of doug and core and russia using acing stream feed well where if you're going GOP see you can leave it open and we can push updates to it so rates step one of that now you mentioned karl oh cool you said the desktop has done we're bringing the desktop back so of course we had to bring the desktop you know it's it's weird it's we live in a very web centric world but when i look at the way people use the city as a day we have millions of people every month in the products working on desktop apps so i know everybody's in the web but there's lots of desktop they're not going anywhere like lots of people maintaining those ios apps in various forms in and building new ones like how many times have we had billy holliston and then the man is working as fast as he can building WPF based apps yeah with the thing about the desktop stuff is still i think is there's nothing fast i mean we've all built web apps we've all built on spa with angular react review or whatever but i can build a windfarm app in about ten seconds and ask some stuff to inhabit going instantaneously and so we're bringing both windfarms and PF into the core world obviously their windows tech so there it's windows he's on after lennox those are those are inherently windows tack we can't easily make them work out set of windows house but we didn't just bring them the core wouldn't be enough to bring up the dining or we want to make the experience even better and so we we've done a bunch of cool things there for the first time ever her this is a core feature you can crack open the CS prod the best the project file for a dining core project and you can add a line into that telling us hey i want this for the sixty four bit windows platform and you can add another line saying i want a single exit and after you do that if if you run dot net publish the results of that will be a single xy that contains the app dot net core and so completely self-contained everything needs to run run run that application and you can put on any windows machine when two seven all the way to windows and it will just work you don't have to have dot net on the machine dot net all machine read anything on the box completely self-contained so a question russian is are you only linking in those modules of the dot net framework that it's used using or are you just throwing the whole framework kit and caboodle on that exit by the that's a great question oh we're in the whole little in there which will you in a in a a big but that said we are we have a preview of some new hey this is carl i do apologize for the bad skype connection we had right here scott is trying to say we also have a preview of some new tech we built in it's experimental at this stage meaning that a cold heart GM but you can use it today and it works pretty good and turned the link iran we will we will link out all the parts of dot or you're not using this will typically save on an average out about fifty to sixty megs will disappear from a desktop out when you turn this feature on and so i love to get that down even even smaller and we already done five wave will even smaller than that but lincoln's there yet another line in your project and you can start linking there are some negatives on linking i mean if you're using reflection the lumps in the fees recalling loaded simply to load assemblies lincoln won't know that you're doing some of those things sometimes but you can always manually reference something UCS prod which means link will not not ever link it out so i wanna warn people that the lincolnshire is he you you can try it and it might work for you want to have to do some work to actually keep your out running and we'll we'll continue to work in his face and make it even easier for that to work another feature that we bring in as part of the liquor as well is you can also ask us to the assemblies of your app and i'm i'm ready to run ready to run is the newer generation of engine which is technology where we pre compile the assembly it doesn't have to be jaded when it loads and so you can take an app a windfarm PF app you can turn the lebron to make it smaller you can add another line line to it that says make it ready to run which means i wanted to start fast and then you can on the other line single z and you end up with a fast loading single xy is small so we can get it's in the in the current wave fantastic and is the is the incentive here just fast fast startup times like why do people want this stuff kepala exe- like this the exit thing comes down primarily let's think of one of the challenges oranges of dot net framework on you build a desktop application on dot net framework let's say four point seven or four point eight and then then we we as part of the windows update in november we fixed some bugs and then suddenly your application to stops working right and and that's because you're depending on you didn't know that that you know we were gonna fix a bug in that bug was gonna affect your application and now you're in a broken state eight point cannot be running side by side i guess running that version this is side by side but the this is doing you know framework is is not side by side there only be one on the team their core are dot net framework report five dot at four point x both on the machines into i'm fine but that's that's that's it some of that's because of size permits and stuff composer those are big frameworks on so the single exe- solve the problem having to have your IT department put various flavors of dominant core on the machine just right get into a single self contained contain thing it it gives you that that that's a texan across that a side-by-side aspect not being broken by an update but it does be careful though it does put the security on his back on you if we fix a security bug on core you'd have to republish you're single xy file application because there's no way for me to patch something that contains dot net core inside of itself right so if a vulnerability is found in the dot net framework you've got that vulnerability in your app until you get get the later bits tested and recompiling and republish it correct right but at least your app doesn't just break in fail in weird ways and nobody expects yeah it seems seems like the auto update kind of a story would be a lot easier to yep well there is an auto of this story as well on our in the in the court three three wave it's not perfect on but there's an there's a technology and windows MIS an MSI x. does does come with an auto update mechanism isn't so you can take your dining core desktop application and they're still in visual studio to make an MSI x. as it's a little rough right now but if you run through that tooling it will in creating a mess i xe which can can be put into the windows store and and then you'll get that auto update functionality which means if somebody installs that from the corporate store or the public store if you update that up in the store next time the user you know the users apple automatically update on their desktop though we would counter that the solution of this object use technology like they'd gap location for the customer so you don't have to go to retail to matt scott hold that thought for just a minute while we take a moment for this very important message this episode of dot net rocks is brought to you by data dog cloud scale monitoring platform data dog automatically correlates logs and traces at the level of individual requests allowing you to quickly troubleshoot your dot net applications plus the service map automatically plots the flow of requests across your application architecture so you can understand stand dependencies and investigate bottlenecks visit DD dot dot net rocks dot com to try these features and your dot net environment with a free fourteen day trial of data dog and get yourself a free data doug t shirt and we're back i'm carl franklin that's richard campbell scott hunter the dot net guy and and we're talking about dot net court three talking desktop before the break and the auto update features using MSI alex and it it seems seems like desktop is back i mean as you said you know this is the area that's been neglected for a long long time and i don't say neglected but you know there hasn't been as much innovation is there has been on the website certainly the cloud side and hauer how is the the desktop scenario working alongside the cloud pretty good i mean as i said i think with the similar features talked about being able to think single xi's able using amazon to do some auto update a that get through into a a semi cloudy aspect of what i would also say the other another another flavors on we announced the the office well which is there's another -nother piece attack op center and absenteeism tack we've been using for years on to let you you look at mobile apps and see other used in for the first time ever we've actually enabled us technology for desktop apps now and so i'll i'll throw the scenario at u your era companies building a desktop application it's complicated it's got a lot of screens inside of its and as a developer you know where should you work well i'd recommend man you take at center install app center into your application and then you'll start getting limited telling you which screens the injuries are actually using so then you can go oh for the first time ever i built this complicated out with tons of menus and tons of screens now i know where you users are actually using the product so we're gonna give you the same analytics you would get into web on desktop it's a big win as well because you know it's one of the nice things about the web is is on your on your sites and you got pretty good data of who's hitting the page when they're hitting the page hoffner turning the page and we wanna bring that same tillery into not this web and mobile but desktop is well and that's that's one of our announcements but it does require external connection to the cloud right if he does because i don't i i don't know that you have any numbers around this because it's kind of hard to figure robert is like how many apps do you know of that live behind a firewall in just don't actually have access outward i had no data that tells me what that is but i can't tell you that you know one of my jobs is to go around the world visit customers and and those this customers do exist i was at a at a customer in europe a couple of months ago and they rush you having trouble with visual studio and visual since install energy to us and because they had also like that i'm like well i never would have never seen any of your your crashes because your firewall interesting the crashes and so we had to show them how to mandate offs when they're having to the crash as opposed to just somebody went out of their way to turn that off off firewall wise like it seems like an awful lot of effort for telemetry that actually would help them day we told them we're like you know we we spend the issue they were running into is an issue we've been working on for for a while and but we didn't see their telemetry so it it's a her our ability to fix the product product folks because telemetry is being a negative thing telemetry is actually in many many cases says that lets us know you know how many crashes are happening in visual studio the twentieth memory that slow to type slow to open a project we actually analyzed that that data every every week we have a weekly meeting with the with julia loosen the CPI of of developer division where we look at that data and that data it helps us drive near where we invested try to try to make the product better every week and the same thing for people building their own apps right like to do you have all these applications is rather than waiting for someone to complain to be using the VS app center reporting tools that you are automatically getting reports of problems like it's all the same thing really telemetry good yeah exactly that's that's one excited about this we've actually rasping over a while it's like we want it for desktop desktop winning for desktop we ended for desktop and so they're bringing it for desktop another feature that's really going up center is let's say we've identified the carl parole all is using the product in a weird way and is he breaking the desktop like me i m i know that guy ah i can use another feature out center is i if i build a beta version i can send a beta version only carl nice and get separate logging forint aren't yup it's like hey i know call crashes it all the time so i'm gonna give you access to a new version but not update my entire enterprise only carl her new virgin right and we see that we've fixed carl's issue and then we push the issue i mean we we push the version to all of the customers so there's there's the cool stuff and just watch the dot com if you wanna see democrats i also think i've certainly run into personalities people who who who not only have that sort of meticulous mindset that they're good at finding problems and software and software tends to break for them and they kind of like when you treat them correctly handle psychological aspects like they feel valued that you address their issues and you push special versions to them and is a consequence make the software better like i love that you're you're helping me ten to those people without going way out of the normal workflow yet i'm super excited about it we'll we'll talk about one or two more things before we run at time because there's there's there's so much more than the next thing we did is we built a a how using examined forms using live reload which is one of the new features we announced a few i think a month ago where you can basically as you as you work in the tool the emulators running next to you and you see the emulator update in real time you're making changes you're not looking for the the designer near to or the code to actually reflect the UI but is actually it's changing dynamically in the actual emulator as you code which is amazing so we're showing we we built a a mo version using android that exact same application using same calls all the updates as has as mobile but then it gets it gets really cool next want to do is we're gonna talk about please so blazer is this really new who'll tax that we have in dot net's and the way i like to think about it is you know if you're a web developer today you want to build a file issue of an what about that looks heels very modern e you've got to go use a spa framework whether it's either react are you are are something else ero- yourself self through alex think about blazer is with us build a dot net based web application and it's a spa by vaults you don't we'll have to think about jobless group you don't have to think about web pack or other tools like that you just write a regular web out same way that you always have avs and it's now a spy now it's not just a normal spy app normal sponsors i said they they bring a web framework with azer the default mode and blazer which we call service i blazer we don't actually send a huge jobs framework onto your web browser when you open the out all that happens is what what what the way the second works is i'm interacting with the screen at press a button my new web application you know some kind of action fires and typically in a web app would redraw the screen in a spy app java script redraw that will scream but in the case of blazer what actually happens is we'll send that request back down to the server on a signal our pipe the server will then run the page on the server and it will calculate the delta to between the previous page and page and just send a delta back so there's there's two cool things that come out of this number one is when i run this fault laser how the whole app comes down in like four or five hundred k. not megs and then i make a change on the screen all all it's actually coming across the wires that delta so it could be like one of the like ring altruism like that ends up being just a few bites and so the tech loud you to take any you know build any web out in dot net's and have it be a spa but it's a very lightweight spa and i think that's that's that's a really recall aspect of now we wanna stop there and so even though we just archie AMD blazer one oh server side we also ship with a preview do what we call clients i blaze mrs wear we actually utilize the clients we use technology cold weather simply simply runs in all the modern browsers so it's not any browser and in this particular case instead of actually firing the co down to the server having the server to a death we we instead run all the code on client so you know we we actually your apple comes a little bit bigger as we're actually going to you're going to watch if you're if you run the edgar tools and you'll see dot net assemblies coming across the wire to the client side in running your net coach close running on the clients the reasons you can do this it lets you build a PWA disconnected out is that up on the internet it's once it's loaded at running it's got all the code there doesn't have to make calls to any back in but it can be self contained and and run everything on the clients and so the whole thing about blazer is we're we're trying to write it in such a way that you switch he starts silverside into lupines i'd and hopefully change your whole bunch he does a hybrid rid client and server side at makes sense for a hybrid apps you know most web apps today are actually that hybrid anyways we think of an angel route reactive riach up of you out there running much of plant but occasionally they're making calls to the server to get some data and so we definitely support that scenario where you actually have most of the app running in the clients but you're making API calls to the server and dot com i showed a demo that actually was a a blazer app was making calls to that burpee service adults earlier in the GOP weather service yeah ah we're we're we're doing that hybrid version of the of the tax but we we enable all scenarios but i think the tech is just amazing amazing a program on will all your applications and you can decide whether you want to run the code on the server on the clients i'll give you an example when the client actually matters a whole bunch we have a website try dots DOT dot NET see you can go see today and you go there you can actually write see sharpen your browse and when you press run we actually run the code in the browser because we're running that's simply the application and so we're running the code locally in the browser so the the the laser things amazing racing and it it gives you the ability to really rich applications dan routes gotta talk dot com that's apple blazing heat that where he builds a a pizza out that for all purposes looks like a desktop application but it's super small super fast and so i think that will who does modernize dot net scott before you go on before you go on i want to ask you something about PWA's is there anything do you have to do anything in in order to make a blazer client side blazer appa PWA or does it automatically right all that manifest goo for you it doesn't right all the manifest today day in the nextwave you'll see us make these things first class the reason we don't write the manifesto honestly is the acquainted laser sir is in preview and we plan to the hopefully get that into some kind of rpm states around bills next year so outfielder bilby may of two thousand twenty so you can you can use it today it works it works great today a lot of people using it you know in probably in production right now but we will actually solidify and i'll clarify will get more today when you run a blazer out on client side we are doing it's like what we actually do is we actually run a dot net interpreter on the weather suicide meaning that we're interpreting some of the coach i don't hold performance at what will happen as we go from dot com to build next year is we will actually you some tech called ahead of time compile where what we will actually do we will when you build the app we will generate the wasim code as part of the bill stout which then means when the code runs on the client it would run at full performance because essentially conservative and so that that's that's one of the reasons we're not calling today's we've got that tech near and that that you're gonna and get a almost made it performance i hope in the browser you know with that tack and that tackle come in in in in may of next year as part of bills and the PWA will be part of that as well and likely they'll be one more flavor this as well which which is you know we were talking about electron outs earlier in the nha conversation and we're going to give you the ability to take a blazer out and run that inside of an electron show wow yeah that's cool jeff fritz right at your c. sharp code and run it in in the blazer host jeff fritz was that the other day as well i think that's when richard's mind exploded yeah what has been runs on lenox mac and windows you wrote a once is web tax so it doesn't look as native is native apples but forms but it will be a cross platform you i dot net app that pretty much runs anywhere and we've we've we built a couple of prototypes of this over the last year or so and it does perform better than some of the electron apps us in in many cases because you know we can be pre compiled and we can be we're we don't put as many files on discs but we we we took as your storage explorer and coordinated partially he's one of these things a while ago and it was much faster than the the no geospace for you know the PWA story for me is really compelling and just you know because i don't want anybody to get discouraged because scott said they don't have the you know the all the making it easy for you but PWA's really easy already it's just not that difficult to do it's a manifest file to configure file and you just put some things in there and you can send your customers to your website and they go on a phone and then they do you want to install this on your phone yes and that's an app that easy even even windows desktop support installed him that same way there's also yeah so we're gonna give you that that's what that's all about this tech is now it's like hey want to build an app that runs on desktop hunt you what about about the client side blazer footprint size of the bin size is our hope is to be in the forty five megs for the for the wasim based based financing the cashable so you sort of pay the penalty once and then the app itself doesn't need the doesn't require downloading every time yes and in fact that's part of the PDA w. mechanism is you give it a man of trust man has tells it what ash and so you get the cash you pay that price one time and you're you're good to go i'll say the to complete my earlier thought so i think as as as donna developer we're gonna put you in a pretty good place if you want to build a a desktop app windows you win and WPF if you wanna take that same app and run it on android or IOS or various other flavors we've got the zantac that if you want to build an amazing modern looking web app knew that blazer on if you want to build a PWA w. a. he'll do that with laser you know in a in kind of a preview states at at right now and hopefully RTM damn states at build next may if you wanna wrap that same blazer out and electron and running on windows mac and links we're gonna enable you to do do that and the final one which is another demo that we showed at the dot com is you know we dot net now runs on time different platforms and so it enables a bunch of iot scenario so the final demo we did was we took the same weather al and we add richard lander show it on an LED light board we could actually use the iot version of the app running on like a raspberry pi sending the data this this LED app using a a a library and it was the weather was rolling boss a LED light board to just a different output mechanism otherwise the codes the same and so that's it's calling the same service doing all the same tech and so you know it really is getting to a dot net anywhere kind of scenario i would say you could make blazer serve side blazer app a PWA w if you wanted to is there any advantage to doing one of the other client side or server side PWA the the long-term yeah i was going to say the longterm advantage would be the the PBA client side like give you better perf and kind of sandbox as well so but you can do all these layers phrasing all the choice yeah i mean the service i blazer isn't going to be any less performance than NBC web API app right it's not gonna call altered the right sounds great man did we miss anything the only thing we missed and we also also did show the the final piece of this we showed some of the model builder tech which is some of the tech we have in emel dot net's we're trying to find ways to make you you know a machine learning more accessible more developers and so we showed some sentiment analysis where we actually looked at data with model builder modern builders a tool that you pointed data on it'll choose the algorithm for you right hold for you as well all the to success the data in what we showed the first preview of model builder may of this year at bills on and the bodybuilder we have now so just produces much much better code and it's workflows a lot so that was the main stuff that we hit we hit c. sharp aids the micro services using worker cheer for the rich RPC contract-based API's windfarms WPF zimmerman for mobile blazer for everything machine learning and not that was kind of the dot net or three ways you no i guess we should do more shows are on m. l. dot net just because it's one of those things where we're i think we're all dealing with sort of a eye fatigue people talk about it all the time time but getting a real practical areas but this is where machine learning just becomes a part of your regular app i think still is hard to grasp yeah i the the challenge machine learning is explaining to a customer when when i see a customer and sit with them and go you know you have to train any machine learning stuff today and most customers have our most developers have data they don't even think they have bills two years ago or year are your so ago was we showed what we call the bus fire and that was a lot we built it would actually take an issue and make sure it was in the right place jason get upset as this an aspirin issue or is it a networking issue or is it a just here and you don't think about it until you look at you go on really are developers are moving these these issues the right places for about three or four years now so we actually have tons of data and so we built a model based on all the issues that we had moved over the last twenty fourteen to twenty eighteenth of four years with the data the reality is a lot of lot of developers i have data but have not thought about s- or yeah our company's been training data for a long time all yeah we need to make it easier to get to we have a whole page that has a whole bunch of scenarios that you can actually discount download samples for just go to DOT dot NET and click machine learning and take you to a a machine learning page has a whole pilot scenarios that we prebuilt for you wow nice cool including l. dot net that's safran imelda net is actually a some tech we we actually had instead of microsoft already calls TLC and what we did is we've basically it was built for internal teams at microsoft and we basically have been cleaning API ethnic easier to call it and we re we've rented it to dot net's but it's the same tech power windows hello so if you unlock your laptop with you face you're running l. dot net if you ever run powerpoint in a recommends themes and stuff to you you're running him l. dot net so it's it's it's tech that we've we've been using for years and years instead of microsoft we're giving away wait a grownup version of cliquey scott it's been great and thank you for sharing this with with us and thank everybody for putting up with the lousy skype connection but hopefully you got the gist of what scott sam

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The Lightning Round Podcast #188: Jamie is the a-hole, Easton Stick is pretty exciting

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The Lightning Round Podcast #188: Jamie is the a-hole, Easton Stick is pretty exciting

"Uh-huh in this is the lightning round podcast with your host garrett's this the nj legal charges go is the lighting room podcast. I'm at garissa st he is at lightning underscore around james here and we are here to discuss. The seventeen thirteen loss awesome arizona cardinals for the chargers preseason opener. We have to donations this week. They each have a question attached so we'll get to those and then we'll dive into this football game so the donations came from alastair lloyd ben jacobson so thank you very much alastair and ben for your generous donations. We really do appreciate it <hes> and they both <hes> had some comments or questions so we'll start with allister's alastair says jamie garrett thanks for that you do you made the mccoy is bearable. That sounds like a miracle to me. What do you think in parentheses somehow through your good humor and analysis which makes the reward of current success zest all the more sweet. A question for the pod river has had a mostly steller twenty eighteen but slowed down towards the end of the season. Are you confident he will make it through. The entire year playing at the same high level again or is this finally the year that fans can expect a drop off. I feel like this is the same question we get for the last four years straight five. You're straight who can predict it. You know i think we're probably going to see a lot from last year. <hes> we might see a little bit of the hiccups early on he's probably gonna hit his stride week four or five once he gets into his groove and then by week thirteen fourteen. We're all going to be questioning that arm strength and last year like you said he had a stellar. Season charged got a playoff playoff win so that's not so bad. I say that this year's lot like last year yeah. I think this is pretty much what we're going to see moving forward as as long as he continues playing. I think you know he'll we'll build momentum. Get hot in the middle of the season. Put up some big numbers shred some defenses and then depending on how the offensive line holds up around him and what kind of hits he's taking being and how much abuse is taking you know we. We might see some of that. <hes> reduced arm strength late in the year. We might see some of that. Production decline against better defenses that are giving that offensive line difficult time <hes> late in the year and you might see some cases a little bit of chuck and duck ville. I just think that's where are we are. At this point. It just seemed like he wore down last year which is not necessarily a knock on him. He took a lot of hits he is. I believe thirty eight now so so you would expect somebody who's taken the hits. He has over the last fourteen fifteen sixteen years <hes> to wear down on over time. He's been remarkably durable but you're going to have some of that. You know you know age related regression at times as the body was down. It's unavoidable. Well yeah yeah. No we agree there. Okay ben jacobson. Ask the question and it's about the offensive line which you were just talking about glad we're back. Boys house trent scott looking. We'll talk about him in a bit how 'bout the blindside and all the news is surrounding lamp are they're realistic options. You can see klesko snagging before the season starts also. Are you worried about the line. As much as i am onto the last question i yes i know some people were saying that they thought that heavy and scott played well a lack on thursday in their extended snaps against the cardinals <hes> they did not give up a a whole lot of pressures or saks early in the game with tyrod taylor and they're of course taylor mobility and escape ability help with that i think it mask some of the some of the issues they had front personally but garrett will be covering that here shortly once we talk about the offense and i do not trust those guys going into the season <hes> tevi a little more so than scotches because he's been around a little bit longer but i'm not comfortable with either of those guys at the tackle position and they don't really have any any depth behind them if they'll come does not make it back the season so there's plenty of reason to worry about in terms of realistic options i mean maybe you get a surprise salary. Cut at the camp. <hes> somebody's banged up or is playing well. He's making a lot of money and he gets caught and you can bring somebody like that in but i think for the most part you're you're probably looking at you know backup journeyman lineman to come in and provide some depth more than you are starting option who's gonna come in and be head and shoulders above what what tevi and scott are doing. I just think that at this stage of the off season they didn't really address it in my opinion. They didn't really address it. In the draft i know they drafted pins but i'm sure gary will be talking about him soon and not look very good in his initial preseason action so no. I don't think there's a realistic option. I think if they bring anybody in its depth maybe to replace a spencer durango or something like that to help push pipkins further down the roster the depth chart but but that's about all you can look for at this point yeah. I think your best option is a cut during fifty three but i think it's also pretty slim because combs is supposed to be back this year which means then trent scott becomes the swing tackle and you've got sam heavy on the right side okuma on the left side and then you know like they talked about trae. Pipkins is the project a guy that they said they were. You know admittedly was a year or two away so we talked about it in the off season but this is gonna be where the chargers falter. It's all going to be on this offensive line. They didn't address in the draft and you know of course pipkins is but you know again. They said that he was a year or two away so they didn't do anything for the short term and and free agency they did not grab any offense lineman getting forced lamp helps but you know if you look at the two thousand nineteen offensive line didn't really change much at all you know pouncey was a pro bowler but he kind of wore down toward the end of the year and okuma was great last year but sam tevi and dan feeney michael scofield were all bad and <hes> you know maybe four slam helps out a little bit but i really do think that goes playing with fire with his offensive line. I think it was a one of their biggest needs in the off season and they didn't address it and and you know we applaud him for finally going after defensive line in the first round he got a free safety needed in the second round got some veteran leaderships and thomas davis and tyrod taylor <hes> great but they didn't have a lot of holes in the one of the biggest ones they offensive line and they did not address it so yes. We're all worried about it and you know this. Team's gonna go as far as this offense. Take him yeah. They're going to have to hold up <hes> i thought in some some of the players on the line looked okay on thursday but there are question marks at this point point can lanced can lap stay healthy. Can you hold down the left guard spot. Are they smart or foolish for relying on scofield <hes> as much as they are where he seems like he's basically inked in at right guard and they're not really playing with that at all. <hes> big question marks on the tackle spots and like you said pouncey started out like a house afire last cheer really were down late in the year was not nearly as efficient or or reliable as he was late in the year <hes> as he was early in the year later on <hes> so yeah. I mean you know pouncey now a year older. He's a guy who looked like he might have been in some decline in miami when they cut him. He bounced back early last year. Who knows what he's going to like this year. They're already working in phoenix center. They've moved him from guard to center which kind of makes you wonder if they're worried about policy on some level because they're getting feeney a lot of have snapped at center so while we know who's who the center is going to be a we aren't really sure what to expect based on age and some of the injury issues he's had he's. He's got the degenerative knees. How are they going to hold up for a second consecutive year so lot of question marks and what james kinda talk about earlier. We're doing a little bit something different this time around for this first preseason game jamie washed the defense and i watched the chargers offense so <hes> we're each going to give our story lines on the on the side of the ball we watched and we'll just go back and forth and i'm sure we'll rotate. I'll take defense next week and he'll take offense but for this time around i washed the chargers offense jamie wash the chargers defense and we've got the three important storylines from that loss in arizona so jamie gimme your first from the defense out of the ball so i think the first storyline the defensive side of the ball was the rotations at the linebacker spot which i think probably caught some people off guard. I know in the graphic at the beginning of the game <hes> c._b._s. Showed food <hes> kaiser white and denzel perryman starting linebackers but that is not who actually started the game kaiser did but kyle wilson somebody who i think most people had had at the very back of the death chart <hes> started the game and he started will because obviously tavis brown and thomas davis. Were not playing so he he got. He got pushed up. The depth chart was able to play quite a bit in that game played. I think pretty much the whole first half and into the third quarter <hes> you also saw like i mentioned kaiser is your white started at mike not denzel perriman paramount came in with the twos and then we saw a whole lot of nick designer and kyle wilson and drew tranquil rotating at the the linebacker position later in the game so you're kind of seeing them trying to figure out what their depth looks like while guys like brown and davis and perriman are on the men from from their off-season sh sh surgeries and rehab assignments <hes> but you know we saw a lot of guys that we all came into camp wanting to see we saw a lot of kaiser or not auto but he did start and we saw a whole lot of drew tranquil which will be one of my storylines here in a minute but it seems like the whole linebacker rotations sion's kind of inflict on its head another big thing we didn't see and it's another one of my storylines but kinda lead into it is that a zoo was not playing linebacker occur on thursday. He played pretty much exclusively at leo position which might be an indication that the team is changing. Its plans for him. Which could be smart. I think it might put them in a better position position to succeed but we'll talk about that a little bit more later yeah okay and then we'll get into it but yeah i was gonna bring it up later on but you know we've already talked about the offensive line. It's important so all go ahead and start off with it and i think early on in that game in arizona they held up nicely but as the game wore on they kind of broke down late we saw dan feeding for slant play play one hundred percent of the snap so you saw forest land left guard and dancing like you mentioned a little bit earlier was playing center and they played every snap on the offensive side of the ball trent scott doc plays seventy percent on the left side at left tackle and sam tevi played sixty seven percent on the stamps at right tackle. When the chargers began rotating trae pipkins the offensive line began to give it more pressure lamp gave up a sack in the second quarter where he had a poll get the edge but carl jones of course proceeded to run into pressure into the zac with lamp chasing so you can't quite put it on lamp but he did give up the pressure and i think if rivers is under center he feels that pressure a little better or maybe any quarterback in general has a better feel for the field and feels that pressure coming back and runs the opposite way instead of into the guy but regardless lamp gave up a little bit of pressure pressure but on the first two drives with with the quote unquote starters that offensive line opened up some huge running lanes ross neck ler while watching it live you know it was like there's really breaking loose <hes> looking like he's getting some wiggle. When i finally watched back the second time around those interior guys we're getting some real good push up front and the first two drives and opening up huge huge holes for both both and for justin jackson so great job early on from the interior there once tyrod taylor left so to michael scofield so scofield. Oh feel like you mentioned they're kind of catering him as starter and he kind of got that veteran look where he started the two drives and then he was off with tyrod taylor and then they threw on scott question barry so guys i was like damn phoenix force lamp or they're going to be depending on this year had to play one hundred percent of the snaps which which you can understand because fiends buying a new position and force lamps finally getting his legs back from the tackles did okay. I was much more impressed on thursday with trend scott sam heavy other same heavy had some real issues. There weren't a lot of pressure there. There was a couple of penalties but later on in that game he just broke down and trade pipkins took over and it just it wasn't all good for heavy. Dan feeney forest land. We're kind of up and down on a lot of good stuff from both of them early in that game not a bad start from the offensive line of the tackles or a little bit more worrisome than the interior guys fini lamp but overall early early on the guys did good upfront later on the kind of broke down yeah. I thought that you could see fini look like he was more comfortable there. In the middle of the line he had had some nice plays where he climbed to the second level and makes <hes> made some nice blocks and lampang a couple of key blocks on some of the long run early in the game so those guys look pretty good and correct me if i'm wrong but didn't lampley a little bit right guard to once they move over to left guard up yup should have finished the game at right guard if i'm not mistaken nearly platelet correspond so getting getting him moved around and experimenting with him a little bit definitely a good thing <hes> my second storyline is about the interior of the defensive line and and that is basically to say that while they weren't bad. I did not think we had any questions necessarily answered about the interior of the defensive line. I know gus bradley saying ain't that just joan stood out <hes> in the game on thursday on tape ivory watch that game a couple times. I saw he had one tackle a a run stop and start the second drive he he didn't. He was pretty quiet. Hands were active didn't think he got a whole lot of you. Know upfield pressure. Rusher wasn't all that disruptive which is kind of holding his spot on the line and you know holding holding his ground so to speak. I didn't think he was all that all that great not terrible terrible but just quiet. <hes> one guy who i thought kind of popped a couple of times wasn't real consistent. I thought t._y. Miguel had a couple of pressures yup showed up a couple of times he didn't finish the plays but but he <hes> forced a couple of stroz also had a couple of plays that he chased down from behind shown a lot of hustle he was one of the few interior linemen that i thought really not necessarily stood out but <unk> helped himself to a certain degree because with the hustle with the pressures he was shooting gaps and was more disruptive than most of the other interior linemen but as a whole. I thought that was a group that we went into camp with a lot of questions about and we left game one and again. It is only game one on but we left game. One with questions didn't see a whole lot from cortez. Broughton didn't see a whole lot from just jones <hes> at least in my opinion <hes> i you know square. Damian square was pretty quiet. <hes> miguel popped once or twice had a couple hustle plays <hes> type. D liner was just kinda there none of those guys where we stood out to me so i think we have even more questions going to game to <hes> and now it sounds like they can get to see jerry tillery so that's a good thing <hes> hopefully that'll help answer some of those questions but i just really don't feel like we have any clarity on that position right now. So that's something that we will continue to monitor going into week two and beyond yeah no jerry tillery no brandon me bane in the interior but justin jones was pretty quiet. I think you're right though i think t- when mcgill popped more than any other interior defense volume and he was the guy writing the quarterback slap when he threw that ball drew tranquil intercepted disrupted the throw a little but how to get on his back heels with bearing down on him so you know kind of helped make that play i agree with you. I thought miguel was probably the most impressive interior defensive linemen on thursday. Let's go ahead and move on to another important story line and this is the first time we got to see the running backs without normal gordon and they you know with the starter the quote unquote starters again they they didn't really suffer early the chargers i drive of course to move the ball down the field vs ecuador on the ground jackson picking up some carries well of course echlert fumbles the ball and the two yard line which isn't great but when tyrod taylor is a quarterback the offense moved the ball with these they didn't have any problem fumble that probably at fourteen and the rushing attempts temps with ecuador specifically what i hope to see a week one because the got him out on the edges. They had linemen polling with him. They tossed where ecuador had a running star on a second drive. Which was his best gain of the night he had nineteen and he sat after the first two series but he finished with five carries forty yards and they utilize them out of the backfield is well. He had three catches twenty nine yards and that was second team receiving and he only played two drives so a really important to get him out on the edges. They weren't trying to pound him in the middle like they did when he was starting in two thousand eighteen they kind of got him where he needed to be in space got him the ball early to justin jackson showed some good power the finish off that t._d. Run you found the put his head down to took on a defender and then just kinda grind it out right inside the pylon touchdown look like he was still finding its footing. A little bit jackson was and he had some good runs that he almost broke for a big gain but he there was one defender. You need to make miss he did and ended up bringing them down so it kind of looks like he's trying to find his footing a little bit but tyrod taylor n. Eastern killed on the ground to but just the running backs the other two detroit newsom and tremaine pope. Hope were pretty ineffective. The andhra free agent jeremy cox only had one carry for zero yards so outside of jackson cler not much to speak about but those two were very good early on how long you touches the do some have. It feels like he barely touched the ball at all. Deter newsome had five carries tremaine pope had six but still newsome had thirteen yards on five have carries and tremaine pope had fifteen yards on six carries so there were both averaging about two point five yards a carry which <hes> ingrate yeah not all that impressive but definitely currently i think we saw some things from ecuador and jackson that maybe we wouldn't have expected. Sorry my my daughter's peaking over my shoulder. They're trying to get on on camera with. It looks like she has her face painted she does we went to padre game today and she got her face painted like a doggy. That's what i thought the sign behind the mike now. She is now now that we're talking about her. She's nervous camera sweetheart. Don't worry about it. Yeah don't worry about it. I thought there was a play right before the fumble before equis fumble down around the goal line where they had a i think it was the second two or a second three and put his shoulder down and help move pile to get the first down and then you had jackson dropping his shoulder and getting into the end zone finishing a tough run with a physical physical finish there. I thought those are some things i think those are. Some of the biggest question marks about this running group. Running group without melvin gordon is can they move the pile. Can they finish runs. Can they be physical with the running game and i think we've seen that you know as needed they can. It may not happy something you want them to do all the time but it seems like you know if you need them to drop the shoulder to pick up an extra yard. Certainly jackson can do that. I think echlert pick up an extra yard fallen forward if needed he's got make sure he's protecting that that ball because he can't be fumbling down there at all. Let alone around the goal line yeah yeah so good. He got that out of the way here here. In the preseason and he'll be ready one yeah he was obviously your data with himself to so so my next story line here is just. I'm just gonna talk about some of the young guys who popped on thursday. There were a few of them guys some more so than others the first one obviously you mentioned him. Earlier drew drew. Thank mike will drew tranquil popped in that game. He had five tackles. <hes> i was watching special teams. He was a guy who <hes> he he he start he was with the first team kick coverage team punt coverage team and punt and return teams so <hes> he's already already climbing the depth chart in terms of the special teams units which is a good sign for a guy who's going to be a backup and then he had five tackles on defense. He had a couple of really nice run stops <hes> look oh good and in coverage <hes> he was making some quick decisive reads and getting to where he needed to be in finishing when he needed to and of course the interception was huge food <hes> you know he he started that play in the line of scrimmage drop back twenty yards elevated high pointed the ball came down with it was a beautiful play. I think we saw a lot right from him a lot of things that we liked about him in college we saw in that game you know his ability to come downhill flow sideline to sideline drop back in coverage. These are all things that we haven't seen charters. Linebackers do on a consistent basis and when you get somebody who's six to two thirty five who who's able to do those kind of things as you start to get kind of excited about that. I think there's a lot of a lot of things to look forward to withdrew tranquil but he was one of the guys that i thought popped. He's probably the guy the young i i wanted the two young guys who pop the most the other one being chris piece <hes> the defensive and he was he was rotating at leo there with a zoo and and both <hes> both peace and tranquil great piece had a sack he had several pressures. You could see a lot of <hes> speed off the edge. You could see a lot of band. He was slippery coming around the edge. He set set the edge a couple times against the run to goodell disengaging to finish plays. He looked really really good. He was somebody who wasn't even necessarily on my radar go in preseason and he popped in a big big way yup. <hes> also somebody somebody somebody keep an eye on somebody another guy who wasn't really on our radar coming into the season. Somebody's had some n._f._l. Success i thought anthony lanier had a good game as well he he if you remember at the end of the first possess the cardinals first possession when peace at his sack lanier was the other defensive lineman who met p piece the quarterback and linear had two or three pressures he'd get a quarterback it and he was involved in a couple of runs stops as well so both those guys pop. They look like they've got some real off the edge good bend <hes> laniers kind of interesting and that he's six five to eighty so he's built like a more natural defensive lineman kind of that like base and look like a bosa or rochelle so those guys pop really well. I also saw some nice tackles in the run game by a dairy picket playing pre safety <hes> robert team or had a couple of special teams tackles and also had a couple of nights plays on defense in run support some nice hackles and he was he showed up quite a bit so those four guys in particular or five guys. I guess all all showed up consistently on tape and that was a good thing thing to see pick. It did have a pretty bad hands of the face penalty and coverage. I take it was his first snap and the game but he settled down and play really well after that i thought yeah <hes> <hes> in that drew tranquil interception zone isn't really his forte. He's he's such a good athlete. He's so good man so to get that interception to drop into zone and cut in front. It's pretty impressive just until you see him run with a tight end across that field because he's he's really good and i agree with you with peace. He popped a lot. That's not isaac. Rochelle popped a lot to tennessee but obviously had this net had the sack but in terms of you know some guys that were really on our radar. Yeah there are a lot of guys that made some noise always a nice game. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. 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Offense did their thing but eastern stick dick came on and was kinda started show a little bit he added as i drive where he was buried by two straight penalties setting them back it was going to be three straight penalties but arizona arizona decline that third one and you know they got him going on that second drive i mean he didn't he didn't get anything to win that first drive but in the second drive you got going <hes> it was really smart. Hurt by wisden had a read option the first play from scrimmage and he basically was able to use his legs to get twenty yards. You got some confidence and then he completed his next three passes and then had his second pass almost picked off after he got hit on the release which was of course <hes> trae pickens who led us guy go but then the very next play was just let him go basically right by him almost escort him back in the east lap but very next play was that awful awful decision where he never saw the underneath defender in tyler sigler and through right to him for that interception stick that nice job chasing them down because that probably could've turned into a pick six. There are commending him for his hustle. I couldn't stop thinking about what a terrible decision that was because i was awful but he made a tackle. They ended up scoring anyway but a good job bud blood chase down the guy you through the football too and then you know just like you did it. North dakota state east bounces back on his third drive. He's backed up against this is own ed zone. He gets sacked after pipkins gets whipped on first down so again ripken getting pressure a run on second down goes nowhere and on third down. He basically digs his back foot in the middle of his own end zone drives the ball to jordan smallwood on the sideline for a gain of twenty and a sixteen it was a beautiful throw beautiful catch by smallwood allwood able to get his feet down toe tap that end zone on that sideline and catch it bring that in and of course he marches team down the field they they score on that touchdown drive it. Was you know drive that lasted over six minutes. He capped it off with a thirty one yard. Touchdown run on third and thirteen where he dodged five different defenders into the end zone. That's what we saw north dakota state. We there's a lot of really bad decisions and he looked really really rob but more times than not he brought the bisons back in these as last ditch efforts and he did it in preseason and i would've loved to see eastern stick to get the ball with down for with two minutes left. I would love to see him in a two minute andro but you know of course arizona was able to bleed out the clock and win the game but also you know. I thought the back shoulder throw to malachi. Two pre was a pretty good one on that two point conversion watch live. I thought the defender got the ball but you know watching it a couple more times. It looks like you know. I don't know what happened depre- just couldn't bring it in and just just kind of had a lapse of concentration and he dropped it. Look i think stick was good. It's why they drafted him. It was that whole mental makeup in it's obviously the preseason stick to experience the highs and lows in the span of a half so good for him to bring the team back to get a big touchdown run complete. Some pretty pretty good passes after making just awful decision. So if you guys were listening that was a really long winded way of guaranteeing jamie's the asshole that but <laughter> uh-huh i tweeted out before the game that i couldn't understand why people were so excited about a third string quarterback and then he leads that drive and i've got people like retweeting me my own tweet saying in high memory. This is why we're excited about him so yeah. I'm the asshole. Thanks i but what stick did was really impressive. Because of the way he responded to his mistake and that was the big thing you mentioned mental makeup and i think that's what really separates separates him from. You know other quarterbacks who aren't gonna make it in this league. Karnal jones paula jones jones. The game was not too fast for him. He was not deflated by mistake. He came back on the next drive made a huge third down. Throw frankly he made a throw throw that. I wasn't sure he's capable of making because you didn't see him. Make too many throws like that. In the north dakota state offense he can throw the ball down the middle of the field but he tends to float the ball how does stick when he throwing it to the perimeter to the to the boundaries and he made a perfect throw and duke duprey made a great or small would excuse me made a great catch and and it was it was perfect and he just took that and built on it and got better and better and better made several really nice well-timed throws in the intermediate passing game. You know i you just saw poise timing confidence all things that we have not seen from cartel jones three years so no. I mean ah a it's. It's pretty amazing how much better he is than jones and jones has actually four years in the league three years or two years going on his third year potentially on the chargers practice after squad. Here's stick making his first n._f._l. Appearance and he's learning from mistakes and showing that plays and understand the tempo and the and the rhythm of the the game <hes> the timing of the offense all that stuff that's not easy stuff to pick up and he picked it up very quickly so he deserves a lot of credit between the mobility the play making with his arm you saw him climb the pocket several times under pressure and delivered big time throws take several hits and still get back up to make those plays. These are all reasons why you we said during the draft podcast post draft podcasts that while we weren't thrilled with the pick when it was made after going back and looking at the tape there were developable traits there <hes> we just thought that maybe there was another position they could've addressed in that spot and maybe they could have gotten stick a little bit later but he looked very good in his. I action the i want to see more of him and that should be at the type of performance that should begin to put an end to the cardio jones experiment which should have ended last year now. It really shouldn't yeah yeah and you know the fact that carl jones came in before stick was a little bit of a little bit suspect to begin with but now you know stick is firmly planted komo q._b. Three because colonel jones looked like he was the first year rookie having his first appearance in the n._f._l. He looked awful had no feel for the game at all and he looked completely. We lost so no place <hes> rattled everything was too fast for him running in the wrong direction he had one open receiver. He had a throw that he really really should connected on with arteta's scott. I think it was on their first possession should have put some touch on it and let him up field and he threw it wide and too hard and scott dropped it <hes> <hes> just you know what we've been seeing for the last couple of years. He's trying to fire everything in there. He's slow to recognize thing so <hes> instead of an anticipating anticipating somebody getting open and throwing them open. He's not throwing it until they get open and oftentimes in the n._f._l. If you're waiting for somebody to get open before you throw it by the time the ball they're not open anymore so <hes> i mean it's the same thing we've seen for the last couple of years <hes> there's no no real surprise there and it explains why they drafted stick and i would expect it. We'll start to see them. Change roles here and see sticks start to get more snaps but i think that was kind of put make bringing him in the q._b. Be two in that game to him. Being cartel was kind of. I think that was lens nod cartel. Hey this is your chance. Dude like you gotta show me something and he he dropped the ball so almost literally dropped the ball with fumble that was called back by the way running around running running around carrying the ball like a loaf of bread on the sidelines and almost coughed it up but <hes> yeah so sticky three. I don't think there's really any mystery in that and he he deserves a lot of credit for his first outing and again jamesy asshole. You know screw with you there but i think in the n._f._l. Just gets enamored with these big arm. Quarterbacks in the chargers didn't make a bad decision trading a conditional pick for them and you know they try to develop them and shame in that but you know it's just now time to cut bait and that's kinda why they drafted east and stick and that's fine but going forward. You're you're probably got to see more than stick. Just because of the traits we saw in the second half of that game so we'll probably see a lot more eastern stick coming up here and there is some some excitement there for sure yeah definitely so talk to me about <hes> any other storylines got are moving on special teams. You got anything else from defense yeah. I'm just gonna hit. I'm gonna hit special teams really quickly. Just throw a couple of things out there that i noticed one. I think something's pretty telling is that first of all <hes> tie long outkicked newsom yeah <hes> in that in that game on thursday outpointed him and tyler also handle well all the kickoff duties in that game so you're looking at a roster now that's going to carry three quarterbacks though probably wind up caring for running backs because i think they're going to have to carry gordon on the active roster even though he's <hes> holding out so i think they're gonna wind up carrying four running backs more than likely <hes>. You're looking at probably carrying nine or ten offensive. Lineman numbers are starting to get tight. I don't think they can afford to keep one guy to do the kickoff duties in one guy punt. It seems like at least after one on game where a long kick the crap out of the ball pundit the crap out of the ball and kick the ball really well on kickoffs. It seems like all signs are pointing to long likely being the kickoff man and the punt man the partner <hes> i just i just don't think that they can afford to essentially keep to punch on the roster just because they want one guy to handle kickoffs that i don't think the numbers are going to work out with akhoon being hurt and gordon holding out and having to carry extra bodies at both positions. I just don't think they can afford it so i think thank you know unless long complete tanks it if he keeps doing what he's doing. He's probably gonna wind up winning that kickoff job and punter job <hes> also i mentioned mentioned earlier tranquil. He was first team special teams for punt return team kick return team and punt team <hes> very noteworthy for a guy who is a rookie. We have already ascended to that level now. You've got some really good athletes in that group. You know guys like jeremy. Davis zoo scott phillips arteta scott in all those guys can contribute on special teams so it really makes the chargers depth that much more impressive where they haven't been all that deep behind the stars in years past now they're starting taleb some talented young depth <hes> also worth noting no desmond king returning punts it was all our table scott and we saw a whole lot of tremaine pope returning kickoffs so it seems like <hes> there it seems to me like they're trying to find a role oh for scott where he can contribute as something other than a wide receiver so he was. He was returning punts last preseason. He's back to doing it again. I know when we were at camp against the rams. He was the number one returner that day. I don't know what you saw. The other days you were a camp and it seems like <hes> he's headed towards potentially nailing down that role and he actually broke at least one long day that we were there at camp so it seems like he's headed towards nailing down that role and maybe the chargers potentially fixing something that wasn't broken broken to begin with so we'll see how that works i really liked king punt return but it seems like they're bound and determined to find to slide scott into that role so we'll see how that works out and i mentioned it earlier but robert teamer popped a few times on special teams had two or three special teams tackles. I think <hes> looked really good making open-field tackles down there and it seems like i don't know if he can make the roster just based on the numbers they have safety once adderley comes back but <hes> certainly certainly maybe a practice squad spot for him or they can find some other way to hang onto him. So those are some of the special teams notes that i had yeah i put money on <hes> rodrick dreamer being on the team's practice squad loved him this off season they were hyping them up leading into camp and made made a player to and camp so far been been in fairly quiet but you know being able to pitch on a special teams is huge. I mean we'll see when the season starts. I can't understand why they would try to not have does king return punts but of course they've got our scott back there now having tremaine popey the next man up with surprising to me. I thought ronnie randall was getting a lot of work. The undrafted the free agent the db real quick too. I think a lot of people are going to get excited about. Hopefully he'll get some more work coming up here and then also since we're talking about special missile teams in craig for didn't michael badgley kickoff for my rung on that one. I don't think so but but hang on but i remember tie long looked so so they didn't have a return on kickoffs. If i'm not mistaken i mean he tight long did really good on punts did good on kickoffs and yeah having a guy like thai long do kickoffs pixel badgley just as fuel goals is just the perfect role and the fact that tyler can kick field goals. If badgley ever goes down is an added bonus so by the way badgley did not have a kickoff doesn't look well okay while we're just kind of throwing things out here. One of the thing on offense sir that i just wanted to bring up was that none of the guys that we've talked about travis benjamin being <music> out on thursday and they had jeremy davis arteta scott play some heavy minutes here and none of them did anything to kind of push for that wide receiver three role roll or even you know four or five. Nobody made a case for themselves. You know they obviously are stuck. There and it's not like another guy jumped them but nobody made a big splash on thursday urged day <hes> jeremy davis had the most naps of any wide receiver on thursday in record a single catch arteta's scott had one catch with three yards of course one of the targets he dropped the one. You're talking about by cartels jones which is more on him but you know in all honesty. It seemed to me that malachite appre was the best receiver on thursday for the chargers he had twenty five yard catch and run which was a really good in route where he caught it and got some separation from a guy on that two point conversion he dropped it but i do pre splash crash a lot more than i thought small would do to more than jeremy davis ortega scott yeah. I'm just kinda wondering if there's any real competition going on there it doesn't seem lake make no it it kind of seem like you know scott and davis got their kind of veteran treatment where they played a couple series and then they were out both those guys are major contributors contributors on special teams not that you can't replace that but it just seems like davis has been building towards being that wide receiver four wide receiver five for the last couple of years now the reports this weekend that he and scott were rotating in the slot with travis benjamin unhurt in practice this weekend and they've been doing that a lot in camp a davis in particular rotating with benjamin <hes> with the ones so i'm not really sure there is a quote unquote competition going on for the wide receiver four and wide receiver five. I think we know who the top three guys are and i it seems like at least and of course worse things could change but it seems like a davis and scott are getting the veteran treatment and that they have spots and the team is more worried about you you know kind of submitting their roles on special teams than they are with having them splash as receivers in the offense in the preseason it seem i'm like this off season. That was a big story line where the wide receiver depth chart and with things happening with dylan cantrell the way they did seem like now that our tavis gotten jimmy. Davis was just locked it in but there isn't any competition travis benjamin he just is that wide receiver three jeremy davis otavio scott are four and five and then anybody else there might be another guy that squeaks in their if they show up but for right now. You've got five wide receivers and they're just completely locked in yeah. I'm i'm a big fan of mouth duprey. I liked him coming out of college. I think you did too yeah. Just love the frame name. There's speed there. He makes those contested catches. His numbers in college weren't that great because he played at l._s._u. And i can't remember the last time you had a halfway decent. Quarterback quarterbacks are terrible. They've always been terrible but he i thought he flashed a lot on thursday and he should have caught that that two point conversion. I thought it was maybe a little bit underthrown. Maybe a little bit too far inside but it wasn't a terrible throw and he definitely should have reached out and caught that with his hands instead of trying hi to catch up with his body like he did <hes> but he popped <hes> smallwood looked pretty good as well so maybe those guys are competing for a spot on the practice squad but but i would be surprised if any of those guys really has a shot climbing the roster and beating out davis or scott and the one guy that we heard so much about coming into the preseason throughout camp was jason more than the he even play he did and didn't make much noise. I don't think he had a reception caption. If i'm not mistaken and he did not know i'm looking at it now. How many snap did he play. The jason more played twenty. One snaps could afford me so we'll see you know. Maybe all those four guys liggins debris smallwood and more are really just competing for a practice squad spider two. That's probably more likely at this point <hes> just one more quick takeaway on defense at my wanted to throw out there is there are a lot of extra bodies in camp this here in the secondary and corner in particular and none of those is really seem to pop at all on thursday <hes>. There's a lot of talk about area on springs <hes> in camp. He had one tackle and he had a tackle for loss. I i don't remember him. Being anywhere near the ball and coverage <hes> face on did not look all that great you gave up a few plays <hes> none of the guys is behind face on really showed up at all or played particularly well so it'll be interesting to see how that depth chart develops particularly travis williams williams trevor williams trevor williams. Excuse me particularly with trevor williams being hurt again and not practicing and not playing on thursday. They're saying it's a minor injury sorry but <hes> if he is banged up like he was last year through camp and can't get healthy. Who's gonna step up and take that c._b. Five role as everybody else moves up the depth chart because nobody really looked like they were ready to do that. On thursday i thought face on was okay but yeah. I think there was a lot of guys in that db be group. That didn't really do a lot. I thought roger teamer just did enough on special teams to make a splash and has name called but not a lot on defense. He showed up yeah. I think one or two to get two special teams tackles and one defensive tackle and he was pretty useful run support but that was about it all right guys. Josh thanks so much for listening and we'll be back in next time. I'll do defense jamie. You'll do offense. I appreciate you guys listening. I am at garissa on defense. I'm john defense on offense. Jamie underscore around and we will see you next time thanks everybody hi medically editor and chief of eater and i'm daniel janine up producer here at eater and we are here to tell you about our brand podcasts yours digest every week on the show we dive into the weirdest funniest and most important stories in the world of food with the inside scoop from the biggest names in the industry and expert insights from. I'm the eater newsroom <hes>. It's really fun time so i would say subscribe to eaters digests for free today on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

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Ep 2.36: Chicago Fire's CJ Sapong on goals, zen & IG captions

"And Guy Sam's Army episode two point thirty six. We're joined per usual by. Eg How you doing. Eric Great How? You Doing Sam. Krona free can't complain and this time we we got a special guest a a local guests we finally getting into the Chicago fire here. So one of the few recognizable faces from last season back for more we got. Cj Sa- Pong on the show cinema one. Thanks for joining us in in how you doing. Cj thank you for having me. I'm doing great. I also as as far as I know am corona and that's the that's the two thousand nine hundred fire people it is. It is not just a recognizable face. Just the the leader of the team the leading goalscorer. Jeez that's a pretty good year should appoint your ties a little more. We'll get into that. Jeez well so listen. It's the we're living in the corona -versities days What are you doing? Well how are you are you live? You live downtown in a high rise. I've sort of been doing a little blue on kind of on the edge McCormack swear or McCormick place so it's a high rise but it's Kinda far enough from the city whereas now like Super Hustle and bustle. Not that anybody out right now. Anyway get out at all. Are you doing any runs out on the streets or anything like that? Yeah and no I just make sure I'm not crossing the past too. Many people get nice run and get back inside the house. You know we. We've got workouts the team of Sunday. We have you know video calls over video so the mind is still the mind and body is still working on you know when we can get back with soccer. You know staying focused in that sense. I still feel sharp there You know the the next thing is dealing with being quarantine everybody out here. Just go about the business but this is real and a lot of us are not used to it. It doesn't matter you know how much you meditate speaking for myself. Dishes crazy. Well somebody who? I've trained for years for this situation. I've been working from home for like five years and even I'm starting to get a little stir crazy so I can't imagine people like you know you guys that are actually out in the world. Every day we'll see we'll so one question for you about the About the krona here. So let's just let's mind thought experiment. Let's say that they come up with a clear tonight so tomorrow morning is just like boom open. Sesame for the world was the first thing you're going to go out and do I think I'm GonNa go out and do I might have to just go out to happy hour. Oh a nice view. Just take that is real quick. I feel like obviously when you look back great city. I've I wish I had explored more in I. I hope I do get the opportunity to do so now. Definitely GonNa get let the Sun hit my face. You know as you will summer on the shy. You guys know how old man man nothing else. Nothing like Kinda like you said for the little little. You've got now that I feel like you've really come love Chicago. So like worth is happy. Are What do you? What would you drink in where we order in here? Yeah Okay we've got this happy hour so sunny something again. Anais like killer pineapple you know. I'm too good Shah. That'll get you. That'll get you there quicker to where you need to be. You know but I will take it. I'll just SIP SIPS No? I'm sitting like Sandy. Just let again. The Sun hit my face. Make sure as long as the sun's out I got little Tequila Pineapple in my glass and you'll see where that takes. I love it. I like it because I did say the first thing the first thing. So that's going to be like ten. Am Happy Hour. Which I I really. I really respect that part. I can't blame you. Brackets daydream and it sounds. It sounds wonderful dude Chicago like I don't know if you really got to experience Chicago summer. Because he so you moved here. What in like last winter right. No yeah basically and then you were playing soccer all summer. I don't know how much you will at the end of the summer in Chicago. Different thing. Yeah. It wasn't until the end of the season where you know the schedule you know how. Ej definitely knows how goes. There's some parts in the schedule with. It's not as many games where you have a lot of home games and got to get out a little bit. I got to go on the late. Two couples and I just couldn't believe that I had not a discovered that earlier this summer. Yeah it was a really looking forward to. This agree to explain a little bit more. But we'll see. I know I know what you're talking about. It's Chicago in. The summer is especially right at the beginning of summer when everybody just sort of explodes out into the city. Now with no clothes on drinking the tequila drinks. Yeah I know what you're now making myself we gotta we gotta move on. Police are let's get. Let's let's start. Let's do what we normally do. You know we'll sorta roll through your career will throw some throw some questions in here and there. We got some much change ups for yet. Some point curve balls whatever But let's start out with your your Virginia Kid right so you grew up I don't know where it was. Virginia died he's Virginia. Guy went to James Madison. Cj I WANNA know. Tell us talk us through your college search. How what? How did James Madison where you guys had a shit ton offers where you guy like me? Bullshit I didn't have a lot of offers. Jay New was the literally the only school that day told me straight up. I I had to compete. I had a competing chance to start every other school was like I mean all the other big schools right. I could've gone to allow division. Three schools You know but I wanted to play soccer at the highest level. Possible you know. Uva was probably the only other big time school at Cami but they were only offering light twenty five percent like my junior year. Were telling me before. I even got there like. They're expecting me by my junior senior year to bueller started online as the cloud. They had you know a college soccer. I'll even say more so back then than now It was. It's its own institution lows than you could feel like these coaches from. Uva They were essentially like. Yeah we'll take you but you need us more than we need you know so an on. Virginia's one of those schools mean you know. I never been on Virginia but Virginia has that cloud they have that kind of aura about it so I could see that for sure your behavioral Best Player. Ever Mazza history. Don't sound so bad sir. Does it. I saw the list the list. It's not even close Bro. Yeah I mean a it is what it is. It was an amazing experience to like got to actually also be college student. Yeah that's yeah that's at. I think that's very important when you're going out into the world after the laundry of See people every day work with them all that all this stuff so that we had that experience. Yeah that's a good point I I'm glad that fall not glad because I would love a homegrown contract but I'm Kinda that decision. Cj Not mean. Because I think there's value in all the things you mentioned I love my wife. But you know there's the social life and all that stuff going out and you know kind of grown up on your own so young. I think that's valuable. So but hey thirty seven goals first-round pick what's up so would we can What's walked to that draft? What's going through your mind? I mean you. You went to the combine right yet. What's the combine Combine it's interesting. It's a crapshoot I don't get it. But basically we scrimmage three games and I just made sure I was fit a lot fitter than everybody else is running all over the field and I think you know interesting to set up because you have the interviews with the teams while you're down there and Got Through the Carbine. All right interview budgets. He's like no K for sure this chance but I still never expected to go first round. I was we showed up convention center out with my mom all suited up and whatnot. And they're going through the names. I was just happy to be there. There stands loud everywhere. I'm like Oh this leads. And the number ten hermine said why my mom literally mouses open mic. I'm like Oh give me like I drafted with suck at her Donald G when I got up to the stage you know definitely enjoy the moment from then on. I think it was. It was a really fulfilling moment because obviously. I put in a lot of work into Sokrat sacrificed a lot from so two naked. Hits right in the hood and I'm not saying I'm from the hood in the neighborhood of that everybody you know you're out outside your friends. Plan all types of sports literally. Soccer was the number one. Sport played recess in my elementary school randomness. Hell but I grew to love gang so that those experiences and Having build you and build you build you to the point where he special soccer player with a cool did you get. Did you get any tip off? You're going to get drafted. It was just completely out of the blue notes. I knew I could get drafted but I suspect that I think it was three rounds. And then they still have the supplemental so I knew like okay. I'm GonNa get hit but you only usually only first round picks at guaranteed contracts. So like I was in the mindset worries today yeah you can get picked. But he's still got. Do preseason like day and this is cool but they said you know. I pretty much told us. First Round you're going to get a guaranteed contract so But I will say an hour like an hour before. We sat down Somebody text me something and I I remember. I didn't know whose number was I got agents numbers. I didn't have an agent yet. You know like Teams numbers in there like a word is Portland. Might Picky Nagy goes number one. Portland's picking you might like this like. I don't even remember what happened with that. But an Omar Salgado number one number two. I want number ten and the Kansas City rebrand. You know they're hitting new in got had new logo and everything so I was excited. Jura find out who that number would that text came from. No brain was after that that I got flooded with those. You just got drafted out in the middle of my senior year in college. I literally drove back at night. All my hoes. I Oh what's up? It got lost in the sauce as you should've I would have to. Obviously it worked at wealth. You know you had. I mean you basically hit hit. The league like what is it. Like a wrecking ball. The hell that that fucking song is like you came in direct ball exactly. You came in hot at Sporting Kansas City won. You won't rookie of the year scorn all sorts of goals. Tell us about that and You know okay. We'll we'll leave it at that for now you'd be scoring debut right rainy day. Reckon yet Preeti season was just another level experience and again back. Then my only where you have to get through preseason. You're picking up all the year year. Making protein shakes in-between sessions older guys laundry and taking picking it like all types of stuff so it was a whirlwind man and being a rookie is naturally. You're going to be on that third string group. You know they had the people that they might know are gonNA be starting fighting for starting. I'm just the rookie. We'll see how he progressive Zombie String were were playing. You know Pd L. Teas while I was paying playing like other. Mls teams and the last weekend of our Preseason we had tournament to saw and as in a bunch of rookies. We're we're nice to so you're Alan. Funds is beaten. Pdl teams five zero. You know I got a couple of goals and breezy Feeling confident and we played first game. There's five thousand people there but I was shook it because it was loud and highly. Be like five one two goals and so I'm off on the side. Sitdown Shin Guards down. We were you know. They had some interns from the local community college. All women's soccer players just chilling out of you know baseball field like Oh we're up against a wall cigars down toxic girls in a good and all of a sudden the week before that the projected starter. I think it was. -Til broke his collarbone so he's out for like six months. The next guy in front of me older guy you set to start who is hamstring in warm up Beer he I remember him yet and I'll never forget I'm sitting talk to the girls and I just see one of my coaches. I running running toward us. Look at this man whereas he run into He's coming over here like Oh okay. We'll straighter sight. He fucking go Mike. You fucking Goat Hampshire. You play on a young. Yeah I play ninety minutes ninety. But you know in my. Let's say note. Yeah that was a that was a one word answer. There was one morning so cool literally ran right into Burma finish the warm with team. And we're playing red bull and I'll never forget sliding up next tempta- Hill Cherry armory on feel just like wait a minute. How did this what the fuck is going? Awesome yeah and I had a I had a really good game actually says out bashing defenders of air running all over the place and I think that's what kind of got the trust from Peter. Peter Ramiz like he just likes guys that are going to fight and so that did it did well for me in first game two minutes in scored in I also gave up two goals in that game. Which is a funny funny. His the high scoring. I lost my man on a corner as than I think. Slight deflection own goals. Not really my fault stomach. You guys one. You scored should happens right exactly. So yeah you win you win rookie of the year that year. So did someone ever did. Someone pulled frank with you with that trophy or anything. I heard a story honestly. He didn't he didn't get me like I. I was claims he claimed he said he couldn't claims you might have got you back is for real like. I said I was just happy. Roll like ended up children. Were they got us in the Like the Fan Section of the stadium and they're doing like a an a season awards and they call call my name but then Chirons Open Grassy Award and he's he's a joke series appraiser anyway so I often hear he goes here he goes and I remember. Some guys like man was dead gets you know. And then he started doing this little Chad with it. I'm going to ask one side. Cheer that I'M GONNA ask the next side to cheer cheer by my little Bro- rookie of the year like this cider. This side only those fleeing the trophy off. Okay we're all like elevated rug on second four elevated athlete down a fence. Chuck's it over the balcony hits the ground ladders into pieces. I was hysterical. I was laughing because I'm like working. This man Chu Chu as that's what you get like at so wait wait. This wasn't actually your trophy. Was it no. It wasn't OK. Honestly thought he just like whatever he did that it's fine or does he knew his fate literally. 'cause you know me at the end of the day. The experience got from playing. They're being rookie of the year. That's all I need it like the okay it'd be it'd be nice to have sitting but you know where that thing is right now. Grow the my closet backup In Virginia my room in the basement any material ship. You know when I get my house when I'm settled after playing out. Pick out all the stuff and that I'll get my little cave study. Whatever out plays in nicely but for now like I'm not gonNA carry it with lead every apartment. I said I hear you. That's funny I never. I never heard that story I pry was probably was looking for more. Arise on you. But you're so chill your whatever brown what the fuck area. That's funny asked him to this day. He'll he'll say you'll be more honest today and it'll be like I didn't get joke does good try. I write it wasn't good track. He should've asked. I like let me hold it or something you know lend like baby. Grab it. But I didn't even see the thing 'cause he went up Brad beings price so damn excited. Cj fucking get him so bad through Kaiser through client he don't turn it off. It's not often. You heard. There's obviously a lot more highs there you know highlights from your from Kansas City guys won the Cup in twenty thirteen. You made a penalty in the shootout right. Seize your bank twice for almost bank twice. By the way I you Bel- you ball decade did just by game you know looking back on it now. They were unlucky chances. I've missed but like I felt like I played I it was it was wrong. I literally had. I remember running opening whistle and getting into a collusion with Chris. Winger I think actually and It was like this close By breaking my neck it was. I remember like getting into the game and it's MLS Cup seventeen degrees. Coal Bam is air like places rocket. I wasn't ready. I was not ready and then went into that collision and I remember him looking at all. Yeah let's go. I was like yeah. Let's go as this guy so I remember in that game. Getting moments like dreams. I have had in my life. Prior to that it was next level headed got saved by Raimondo. Which was a great run back shoulder offer? Schuler my boy and then you had that chance off the off that setpiece but like Sam said homey steps up in the PK. She says tickets through that Shit. Your pants yeah. Grow the the end of the game was wild because with penalty started. People just came onto the field. That was weird to me because in college you have a case shootout like I mean. Obviously not many people there anyway but You know I think it was the I should have been a part of not open cut through do any was at. Cj It was crazy it was crazy then was rigid. What got me was. When is that when they first started doing the cameraman on the field citizenship? So when I saw the first thing going decided kanter mass behind him. I'm like wait a minute. It's like you're saying fuck I don't have to shoot tonight though I went seven. Right 'cause I I was even in the That's right I I said I said I would take work but I said it you hesitated when you said it i. It was felt it was felt by the coaches and like a couple of people said it and then they went back in the day. Just pick for the six was like I think like chance or something But grow what how many. Pk's was eight nine hundred yet. Yeah that WHO's ten? It was ten and ten. Yeah yeah correct that yeah so much pressure. Cj so much so much. And at the time I will say the you know from like when I knew I asked take one I was able to make this a making making is making its way to the To spot I think just job up there you know some people walk nodding fuck walking by like. Yo- you know if you're walking you already miss bro and Is is reminded of needs far like you. The younger player and with his body language. I I could see. He felt like going up the Middle. Which in another situation. I might have just got up the middle. I like. He was like really flat on my man. I know I get it in the gloves. I'm sweating. I'm I'm sweating listening. Shit I can't I can't there. Pk Zor PK's remind foxman. Oh Yeah I guess. My Dad didn't even watch it. Look I don't know why this reminded me that but I'm glad we finally have another striker on this show. We've had like so many goalkeepers who listen. I personally consider them sort of the second second hand second-class citizens the soccer soccer world. You know what I'm talking about it. They only lose games like do. What do they go for it? They just lose games. He's a little bit. You just step up for defenders. We finally got a goal scorer here. It's been a while. We talked to Troy Deeney way. Awhile back I'm trying to think you'll get any strikers on in like the last it's been a while we've had we've had poacher to find another goal fresh. It's refreshing Okay so you. You scored the goal you You guys will go on to win it. Then what happens? What what's the party like in in this asset? You GotTa set the set. The scene for senior man in case you lose weight before it they love the team and I mean our owners just Ku Grad 's that guy money and laid everything out man we let the Datus. They helped a lot with that trip. That's all I can really say. The ridiculous gives us somewhere but then okay so that was I think it was December Eleventh. Maybe fourteenth every bite into December well into December. We were a bad game rated twenty first so then all the sudden I remember. Peter came in the first days. Like forget what happened last year. It's a New Year and we have to keep on going. We had the data at. I'll never forget it down just over just like that. You probably still hung over at that point. I mean Seattle. You do obviously but that guy. That guy's one speed bro. Seems a killer killer I? I don't know what you're experiencing. What with them play but I respect him so much man. I think that guy is fucking beast man. I respect very much very accomplished Guy Baria a. He gets the most out of everybody around. That's general status agreement. I do honestly if it wasn't for me. He should. He should be running for the national team. Jon Man I get audited. You could get it. It'd be I'm sure I'm sure my guy played forum and stuff but I think for me should be in conversation. I respect him so much he would. He would change the culture that that's what's necessary is a US. Argyle know how they run things. I just say hey you call a lug go America but it's it's a lot like a lot of the guys that are there now. I'll be honest. It's hard for me. Who came into and I have like scraped get minute scraped get gold mine. Do a lot of young went through a lot and not to say nobody deserves but definitely there should be a reward. Given for those players that at work are see players that might be informed and I feel like they become overlooked. The marketability isn't there as well or dependent. It really depends on the team. You're on sometimes too. If a rookie gets into a team that just one analyst cut in. They do well in that environment they get the first look at the records. Mistreatment of the tea toys bottom of the table but eaten in getting assist bringing players in the game stuff like that so it's not a lot of people in in the one thing that this team and my by say this team by the US. Men's national team is missing. Is that sort of that? Grit you know that that the that fight that we always had that was like the the trademark of the team go back. You know fifteen twenty years ago. That's like that's what we based the team on an. Yeah that's that's that's that's the your point to your point. Sometimes it's not always be pretty dude and for a lot of times it's not pretty fraud against other teams but we always manned up and we fought to Sam's point I agree. And that's why like Vermes to Burmese. Have those boys fuck in? You know? We're going Bro. We might not play soccer. But we're competing did so I mean up Sam? I that's competing against other countries where these players men like. They came up in a very different world. You know how you go to justify deserves the three points over then. If you just worried about higher looking you know like you gotta gotTa man up for sure because these people they're fighting to eat and I know the meal is GonNa be on the table. No matter what happens you know like is this a different license. Nothing against it. But it's fair all right. We'll so casey. You're on top of the world rookie of the year. You win them. Mos Cup You play one. More season still hung over. Probably from that party in Vegas and then you head to Philly. So did you know that this was Was coming when did you? When did percents that that this might happen I in the off season because I was falling out of favor You know which has happened in the league. I I recognize it now as in my tent season and I know I just bought a Condo in Casey outgrowing attached to the city. I needed it. I definitely needed it. Changes scenery does a lot in life in general the definitely in terms of a career Sessional athlete to have that in. I mean I was fortunate to happen the way I was at home in off season. Chilling on the couch. During the holidays got traded. It was philly closer. Regina is able to drive up scouted by miter lays before preseason even started very slough transition in a and again just kept the real calm Yuppie like look you know and that was when NYC and Orlando. Were coming into the League. I believe and so they did the expansion draft but it was time to go in protect ten players in a huge like yeah. I'm not protect her. Basically what happened was I got protected because if if I didn't if I wasn't protected I guess one of the teams And he was like I need. I gotta be honest. I can't lose nothing but it's a lot. I I would have to the conclusion Anyway Salty about it you know but at least I know that I am not as shaded. It's a soft landing though you know instead of just telling you. Hey It's been great. He's like well. We want to get something for you. That's kind of a nice way to go. Oh I evalu- got a quick trip by intrinsically. That's what I took from it. So is different now on. I'm going to this new team. Because obviously they traded to get me to so the reminder that okay. It's not doesn't mean use up like it's easy to fall into bat will now speak suck though Philly. The union kind of sucked back in the day. So what you know. What was the words in your mouth? Scott Sam Taisei really feel taking a simple water to well. You know they don't. It was some tough seasons may words and it's a different. It was a different situation than what you're used to Kansas City. Where it's like you're perennial playoff contender. How how is that transition it was? It was hard I mean I was big about it more but it was hard because very big difference Kansas City Midwest night on the East Coast and I grew up on the east coast. But I had kinda forgotten about it. Loafing Midwest Earth Awesome. Nice like you lost. Yo and I remember. I drove so thirteen hour trip. And I remember as I'm getting closer to Philly US here honking and people drive a little bit more reckless holes everywhere. I up boy. All right you new wave new wave coming and The difference affiliate against city. I think those biggest change for me was the fact that Philly has l. Other sports that people care about facade soccer game city I mean they had achieved added Royal. But the chiefs are the royals would be at our games. The players will be banging on drums in the COLLAGEN. There tweet Nana's an affiliate I will sometimes. We were begging for the Eagles to tweet. Tweet US you know re tweet us. Hey Eagles did you see thing we did for you. You're like look the little brother got no love from from big brother. Yeah yeah do though is a huge sports city man. They're fucking. There are serious about the eagles. They're liars the sixers are now. This might sound entrance cj. But I don't love Philly man. It's just like that honking and I luckily Odyssey but I'm glad I'm glad I as they would say they're just passionate. I guess I guess spent time there man and I by the way I had nightmares. A fucking Duke Man Dupe Timing. Every time went there that. Damn Song My IRA go again. I'm like Ashton after you hear it a couple of times and you're on the winning end or you're on. I believe it starts to ring a little bit better. I before I got there. What the Hell do mad. But yet billy different five but one that I really appreciated embraced air Spot Heart So. Cj Two thousand seventeen you break the union scoring record. So let's talk about. Let's talk about your Bra. That was a pretty good year and to kind of piggyback off. That and just be on the outside or you can answer this after. And you're on the inside but dude what the fuck every time like. I just like they fucked rally in Philly way too much too. I don't understand and that's part of the reason why we try to get you so hard in a fire because you know what you did last year I know we. You know one of the things we got right last year but I just WanNa know like you're bald in in two thousand seventeen and then what was. I mean. What's going on they'd? Sergio scientists comes and then this guy comes in then this guy. I'm like dude. You got something man. What buys by something else. I don't get it man. I'm just come to embrace. It can save. They happen. Kim City you know I came in. I was my rookie year. I played scheider mostly because Joe's hurt other barely once. I got in like paying overhead but then once you got back to play out wide tooth and like I said I was just happy to be there yet coach. I could play out. Why play outside? I can play whatever you want. So that actually ended up being my guest. Anchors for the remainder micro because now team that has gone yet biker position now got yet outside winger so then I stand there Mainali. Oh okay well it brings value but then also I'm the guy that can move you know. So if for instance in Philly I another put words in people's mouths but I think at the higher levels of management I stayed just didn't see me ask that number nine the one that they wanted yes gracie gold. Yeah you know I you know working hard but some people like it's a look better some people wanted to cleaner sharper in how they WANNA look. That's five you know. It happened twice where I had a good season and then there was another strike beard That was put in front of me that that's what I'm saying. I don't understand what's going on did a lot of times. You know how it goes. Sometimes you get pushed out wide open. Try TO WE'RE GONNA try this. Then you stay out there. But you're not there and then you're dead but my this is the assigned the line like this is what happens is when I get it. Just Kinda was mind boggling. Because for me it's lights. You know not to get too much into the weeds but you look at a prototypical number nine guy that can hold the ball a guy that can run a guy that can head guy that can shoot a guy that defends the guys committed. And you're not on the contracts. I really don't get it but it is what it is. Did you think what you see? In all of a sudden you've got money to sped and maybe you came from elsewhere to molest. You have been here. You came from elsewhere. You see what you see you see. But then you're always thinking what you what you've seen you know. That's part of the GIG. Cg We run the same page man thing. Most things same thing in the days or no no. I mean it worked out. I mean obviously. You went from a ton of goals. Seventeen to act like a smattering. Let's say goals in in eighteen. So maybe the maybe. The writing was on the wall there as sort of walked us through but obviously worked out for the fire. Because you know one of the That does not so the fire. The bus didn't work. Things just didn't work a lot of things they tried last year. For whatever reason we've talked about this it just didn't work for whatever reason balances didn't go the way. Obviously what did work was bringing you in because you were obviously while you're the MVP. I think that pretty much speaks for itself Mvp and leading goalscorer so You know what were your thoughts on on coming to the fire And was it in in a written in the contract or somewhere in the in the wording that you knew that you were going to soldier field when you're coming here. No they're not no. We're going to soldier field actually Chicago. I felt that one coming. I got traded as well and again another okay situation. I got traded They were still. I think somewhere for reason so I had a full weekend. I was able to go get some stuff as able jets affiliate give a hotel before. Tv was back And then two days of training. We'RE IN LA. You know like I got it was. It's better than getting traded. Leak that get on icy does get traded on a Monday got a game on Wednesday and the teams the teams actually located in Texas but the plant in Canada so The transition wasn't that bad and getting into team. I do remember though like I think the shift from so philly had a bunch of Latte lot of Latin guys. A lot of African guys lot of Latin at Africa Ejido African guys in the Locker Room Music Loud loud. Who's dancing naked people everywhere and Chicago is different to that. So that was a little transition for sure it was if you look at it more eastern European more reserve still amazing cool great guys but is a chilled laid back nature To people from that area of the world so I remember slowly just kind of China assimilate with everybody other fortunate to score my first game. I got opportunity. Nico was having a baby out of nowhere. So five days of gene I'm starting La. Lots on the other side. It's okay but I've been in the position before I just embrace it. A you know for US fords the way we look at. It is what scoring. Everybody's our friend were not. A people are friends and they might just be doing it to to make us feel better. You know so. Y You score. You feel like that's the best way to get into a group is going to be your friend or go against L. A. No LESS IN LA so everybody's friend right right off the bat there. That's the way to do it. Yeah and I mean I is by by season I been through enough to know my own value and unfortunate that that was my mindset from day. One because I mean I I lost it in in-between because stuff happens but for the most part once I had accomplished the rookie of the year and then I mean this is a whole nother story but getting those things and then also realizing like there might be more to lice right at being totally fulfilled but knowing that I had having that under my belt I realized. Okay he's about experiencing gaining and gathering activates. I found quickly. It does not feed the soul. I mean it does success but it's a nice snack. It's a nice snack. It is nice so snack go After I learnt the embrace bed career connects with I say connect with fans to an extent. You know you can't be out here just for clients. Every fan like people will take advantage of it but you know China lead by example. Get back to the Community of project energy. That's positive you know. That's just as fortunate to have many novice celebrations. I started using that in my meditation. So it's lobby to take life to the next level so I'm excited so let's let's talk about your evolution a little bit so you came in Italy. You won rookie of the year you won. Mls Cup like within like what two years? Essentially of being in the League You're now you've been out there for nine ten years. How have you evolved as a player in as like perhaps as a teammate? Yeah I think when I first came in my mindset was focused on is is pretty robotic you know had the training sessions. You're always obviously do the most I could during those that afterwards. I mean we against nutrition plans are gonNA wholesome freeze using by doing everything right and Iraq again. After accomplishing those things. I realized I okay as great as fell like boy. The sacrifices is alive. Mike how can I make the happiness more than the negatives ship? 'cause you get literally. Brody score a goal while weekend that next week son is just beaming like all the girls saying. How do you walk down the street? And then you Mississippi. The next week is raining the balance. That as you're having to perform at a high level every single day as you be criticized analyzed data lives every day. You know it's it can get you. I think as I play more and more Got The opportunity to be on the field beyond the bench. No experience all aspects of it. See all different angles After you gain perspective like A lot of these things that you know I was either scared about insecure about nervous about were just made up by the you know. I literally put it in my head and I made it a thing to the point where actually So it took a while and I'm still working on it. You know sis as it seems like You know I mean that's a very mature way to look at things. I think a lot of people. Don't look look at it like that especially in the professional sports but didn't -Oday Cj. You're not letting outside things affect your happiness right which is basically the bottom line of everything. I mean whether you're a professional athlete whether you're working in the corporate world. It's as soon as you as soon as you give all the side and you find that piece which I'm not where you're at C. J. But I took a lot from me last year. Took off from watching you in the in the messages you spread. It's it's the juice man it's more fulfilling life Not Too much. Not so many highs and so many crazy lows which that's the crazy shit you're talking about now it's kind of like that even Keel. So I think it's a great message. I think it's a great message and it's a great outlook because and also it's also not going to let you you know like those those lows in those down. Cj they're not gonNA affect you long term. You know what I mean because fuck it on. I missed I'm good. I'm Gucci Brown. No problem we lost brower. Good tomorrow you know what I mean so I feel like that's a that's a fucking very successful. I'll look so does this. I know you're big into meditation like I was looking through instagram. Like it just felt like it was a very zen at a very zen fuel to it. You Know Center. She deputy thing was that. Was that how you always have been or is this like part of the way you learn how to You know control your whatever your role in bring your you know optimize your your performance. It was in nate within me from an early age but it got it got struck out at me by society. It's not celebrated. It's getting better now because it's kind of trendy you know but even just twenty years. Braille like you're talking about spiritual shit or aliens or you know anything. It was like a hard line that you cross that you literally were looked at as incredible like no longer is actually a JV ON ICE. Damming argued do some more shit but it's all good Yeah so it was a name with anyone. I was younger in society told me hey man. I didn't even know how klay professional soccer until like my junior senior year when all of a sudden closer contact me the whole point of me. Playing soccer in college was to pay less to go to college and get an education so I get a job. Just run the mill for thirty five years so I think being able to be a professional athlete having freedom and having people Pretty much cater tear needs many situations. Allow me to live one. I got away with a lot of things like a bit of an Aso. I think Year rookie year my second year in the League. I kind of entitled you know again going through all those experiences I remember. It was two thousand fourteen when I adjust bought a condo in Kansas City last year one. Mls Cup a boom now like signing hidden. Saying you know you you know how it goes. Ways guys new guys come in their glory. Everybody's looking at them. I remember like Am. I was not jealous. I just was struggling with my own value in trying to find it and I remember looking up. I got on Google alloys into like conspiracy theories which I promise you what I was looking at them. Seventy five percents is facts today so I some people want a conspiracy theory guy. You're a conspiracy fat guy. I just look at series and see how they are implemented in my reality in. That's it it. Oh forget all the noise around this. There's so many guys I will say some products. WanNa call up because I will talk like shaking the city mind you. I was little overboard right. I was I was imposing so I get it but ally. This stuff is happening too so with the combination of looking into these topics that just reminded me of how small how much smaller I was. Then being on the field or not being on the field reminded me house how smaller I was I started. I remember one day I just. Google like was purpose of life. Like what is life about then. I got the mets and I'll never forget Burma. I'm on the computer at Meditation. All these gurus good dishonest scrolling through reading. Everything's the same. Breeds Grease just mindful by a man with the hell is this. I really exited out like I get that and just from doing that. I know now I planted the seed planted the seed in my consciousness and then moving through my days after that meditation cuts little words that I had just learned like synchronicity secret. Mystic moments are happy for more. I was like I let me. I'll try to take five minutes first day. Not In ten minutes. Nothing nothing nothing. Nothing nothing like a month a month in at this point I was out full. I like man I need you know and I think the fact that I got to disconnects whether it was in my mind or not was what kind of led me to keep trying at experience man and experienced told me there's a lot more to this life dead. Either people are telling you to believe so when you can feel that it nate lightest truth. You don't need anybody else to tell you you don't need to find science that you know states that it's fact. I felt it right so you you like found Xanadu or something in like from the meditation it. Oh yeah the white that but every person filters in their own way in a manifests our does you know if you're somebody that like for instance people that are very very religious. They still has rich bonuses while it might be in the form of whatever they're praying to are super religious so to me it was just they call it source right at its. It's because of the awful awful word but it's so a is like what the hell is. Swordsman like Energy sources like chocolates But but source the core of your being you know the core of what is as they as they say. You know when you feel that it's out of yourself. I don't even really try to explain it anymore. Like China because everybody journey anyway I I can be a a beacon of sorts I can lead by example you know but at the end of the day people have to have a desire to change. You know so is what it is. That's a good. That's a good story I like it. I haven't found my source yet. I haven't found any do but maybe maybe I'll give it a shot is actually within is within arm's reach not far away. I love it is need a roadmap to get there all right. Let's see where else will so one thing we definitely. You're talking about planning Syed. So you got this urban seeds thing. We gotta talk about that Yes. Sacred seeds take yes so but urban agriculture using sustainable urban agriculture to obviously feed those in underserved areas I e desert specifically are specific places all over the country that are designated food desert. Because people don't have the access to nutritious fresh food or they're very low income and can't afford it so bouncy inspiration you know it's Lawson. It's a way more than that now. It's become a an effort to promote in enhance a healthy conscious. Lifestyle that by being healthy. You know what you're eating and you consciously tried to eat things that make you feel better and be better right. That alone is very hard in these underserved areas. Because if you only got seven dollars in the pocket that needs flaming cheetos a two liter twinkies. Call it a day. Get it in there you like. I looked in middle school. I know what you're talking about. Yeah Yeah Yeah. We're we're trying to get in these areas and instill that mindset from an early age and allow not just us but all members of those communities to partake in the curricular experiences a hands on experiencing the gardening empowering feeling that comes from gardening seeing something grow and then being able to eat it. You know. And that's been for me. The most is musculoskeletal pain. So far We been thrown for a loop coded. Hurry come in from around. But we've planted ourselves just like the seeds man like so quick little nurse s See goes into the grout watery nursery. The roots grow I in the risk grow downward they spread and if there are other seats those by they actually connect with those routes format network. So where even if one corner of the field or pasture isn't getting enough moisture. The ones that are in the marshy area will send even more moisture too old home corner. You know so. That's what we've done in the community so town hall meetings. We have representatives a town hall meeting We work with community development towards more sustainable in a self-sufficient academies which sows really like fancy. But it's not just like it's a circular economy is just ensuring that you can produce distribute and Deconstructs all aspects of the chain in your area so imagine going to your local restaurant at you order out. What's your favorite drink? Oh boy these days corona beer run. Okay so you pull alive in there. So imagine if the lives they get it from the greenhouse a greenhouse kids down the street that growing lines greenhouse not only are they providing that for the restaurant. The restaurant bents scraps to composting in the neighborhood. As well that composting goes right back. Greenhouse kids grow another cycle so that's the level we're on now is crazy. 'cause I really started to feed kids. Now we over here looking at full on community developments up the act that so is it philly based or is it like. Are you going national in it? It's Philly base. I would love to go national with it. However doing the non-profit thing for readers. Now you realize how messed up. It is like people world. We are scraping for the penny. You Know Guy. Be Applying for grants every day. You know some people like to but a lot of people WANNA get paid profit those to find people that are willing to volunteer their time and effort on a consistent basis. You know is hard. It's you secure. Funding is hard. I post a picture about scored. A goal likes oppose a picture about Sake receives less likes. You got a couple of people that that's great as soon as I say. Donate though there are a lot of people that Embrace the vision and donate a couple of times right and there's also a lot of people that just swing over that thing. Then they hit you with the. Yeah this stuff. My Man MI L. When I was looking up on the Internet I don't know if you know this or not. Born in. The first thing that comes up was was a cannabis company. So you gotTA WATCH OUT. You got some. You've got some competition for names there. Yeah I ran into that when we were starting the name and I mean end of the day I like well. We're there. People are searching that they go see us. People helping people friends helping friends We ready for a little bit rapid fire. Yes sure got a few questions you got some as well Samya. Yeah you want to start out give you the first for shot in this is at a minute's problem or get solicited this is the end so so. Cj YOU'RE A GM you're coming from a foreign country. As we spoke about earlier you can pick one of these three players. Start Your team. Three former teammates mind. You give you three choices. The only pick one a Chi- Kamara be best. Stagger or see Andrei Blake. Yes Sir yes sir you can only have one your started team you want you want the spine who you want on your. Wow thought about gay. Why because I feel like a caliber goalkeeper and I mean obviously picking him out a million jobless thing I liked starting from. I like starting a solidified Active Front right. I think defense wins championships right. I mean I'm a striker. Leave me like but also you can score over twenty goals in your team. Don't make playoffs. So gotTa have the anchor. You gotta be anchored in the back. In and be able to make those saves out of nowhere I guess bullies fair statement. I gotTa say only twenty and come around the parking lot. Your Goal Scores Union card is on probation right now by the way for that pick. I gotta say but I totally get it. I totally get it. That's why third in there. All right my turn my turn so you get you get to post rise one guy in the league you like. Nutmeg you put it up or ninety you score turns into like one of those means that everybody just sort of throws around on the Internet you get to post is one guy who is oh man. It's is do please. I don't even know where he plays anymore. Axel soil soil. Berg he has Shubert the Big Guy Columbus. Yeah for him for sure. Us giant must have done some some nasty yeah he Broke broke my Zag. Matic own my face. He just flails like this like good answer. Good answer so I got a question. Cj back and fills nineteen word on the street is you showed up back to back days. One training with one firm ground on soft ground. Shoot the next training showed up with two left shoes. How does that fare wasn't back? But okay you sir it happened. It happened at first of all the they about billy was you have is like long as walked right so normally. I would have my feeds on. I'll go out to the field but I am blessed so I I had a lot. I had a lot of cleats and I grabbed the firm pair. The saw cowshed saying like. Yeah that was. I remember that day I was out of it but like the the the foot. Aleph ones you know. I was with kind of showing I. We're all fighting. Whatever walking. I had my runner so I was walking to the the ceiling. At the other echoed. As you get a solution as you ship Union for both Ozan. Did you ha that? I had a surviving. Whatever you probably borrowed someone's time traders went back to okay so the got me by other other boot at brings brings back memories. I mean when I was going to like you know you. Twelve soccer games had about a fifty percent success rate of bringing like both Mike leads and like my guards and sacks I mean I was I was the absolute worst came to this. I'm not GonNa Laugh at you about that one. Even if you're in your twenties right all the ads are we all. This was going to be a little bit more of an an extended or you know question I usually do. Rapid-fire do really quick this a little bit longer. So I was going through and scream as I said you're you're you're caption your caption. Game is strong is very it's deep whereas I'm like a very Like the call. My you know. Some people are like a mile wide and two inches deep. Some people like two inches wide. I'm like two inches deep in two inches wide. So I'm like real like real flat narrow your deep your capture R D like there. They got some they got some. You know substance to them way beyond his way above my head. But I'm GONNA play a little game. Here was what. I'm GONNA give you some quotes and you're GONNA have to guess whether this was a C. J. 's upon caption or instagram model. Capture 'cause I got both here so it's up to you to guess there's GonNa be a test for your for your memory here a little bit of the first one with birdies but still grounded with birdies but still grounded. GotTa be me. It was F- okay. Good good one all right next. One Thou Thou shalt flourish in a immortal use. South-south flourish immortal us. Now is you yup that all that was in the caption. I think so. I have to go back and check but I think that was. It might've had a little hat and some hashtags under there too. But I okay next. One achieve with focus and direction enlightened by embracing reality. Let that success grow with conscious flow. Oh yeah that's that's right that's smooth that. Cj Smooth right all right tasted on that was smooth. Ram Was Ellen did flow or nasty. No one can make you feel inferior without your consent Instagram. Joan. That's right. That was good calls got model picture. That goes along with that guy for you. Two more two more okay. So let's see. It is never too late to be what you might have been now. That was instagram model. Well done you've only got one wrong so far impressed last one made these experiences keep floating into my life like the clouds and color in my sunset sky with richness. Enviro can. Don't do this pretty good. You gotta like six out of seven right. I'm surprised I thought you were going to. I thought maybe I was going. I went back like years on these false. That's yeah no 'cause the thing is honestly with me and great wealth social media general. Actually around that time I was talking about earlier two thousand fourteen when I started. Kinda get into darker place. I was so into social media and I was doing so much also I had been in the Social Media. Facebook right facebook. I even my space back in the day but that social media was still wave more interactive right. I remember getting into college. I'm on facetime on the wall. Messaging girls are like missing your home. Users felt way more interactive whereas started while being more immersive interactive. It was way more detached and I found myself in the middle of the day doing things and stopping in the middle of that to put it on some type of social media by I what I went through all this okay. Social media obviously as a professional athlete is well like something that you're going to be a part of regardless you can take it to extremes if you like however I just wanted to take an opportunity to put some of my own essence into it so I told myself okay. Let me at least make sure that I'm consciously aware when posting things and bring some substance to it you know. So that's why loosing stick with me because fake. Usually at whatever time they were they had relevance that you know brought substitutes so. Yeah there was a lot of substance. There is nothing 'em PJ's rescue As a man of now athletic ability. But he's got substance stood. It was a lot of fun last year by like I said before the show one of the things I enjoyed so all right Sam puts China's way. Yeah we gotta let many things to do many better things to do sure so we will let you go. You're off the hot seat here. Cj can't can't thank enough. Obviously we'll be rooting for you. When when hopefully get out there soon enough and And will be. Yeah we'll we'll give you. We'll give you some. You'll see in the stands rooting for you saw in there. We go guys thanks for. Thanks for joining us. Uga obviously thank you as well and we'll be better all right seizure. Thanks Buddy appreciate job man. Y'All be good be safe. Wash those hands Chauhan's fans they love it.

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RETRO AIOTM (Series 1, Episode 8)

Richard Herring's Leicester Square Theatre Podcast

57:07 min | 6 months ago

RETRO AIOTM (Series 1, Episode 8)

"It's red troll Friday. A OUGHTA. I'm all the way back to the third of November. Two thousand nine. And Oh my God that trialing in this one. I can't wait for that. A tiny Andrew. Kong's isn't it yet? I haven't listened back. I wouldn't thanks for supporting this. Just by listening to these podcasts you raising funds for the heckle the virus campaign and also for the cost here. We never paid at the time so under all pretty much have work right now so that will be very helpful to them and it's to finally pay them for over work they did for me. I'm sitting in my mansion built on a OPTIMA billions. So it's fair enough. Isn't it that we get to hear them? Listen to me and watch me on. Twitch Dot TV slash archaic herring. I'm doing stone clearing doing SNOOKA. I'm doing as Sunday evening. Watch along film as I come and take it. I'm doing rallied upon Wednesday evenings at eight PM and playing video games like civilization to and stuff. When I get the time there's lots you can check out old ones in the video section twitch dot TV slash arcade herring and if you're an Amazon prime member you can give me five pounds every month for free by linking your accounts and then subscribing viable option in the subscription thing. There's a video on youtube having one nine six seven if you get confused. Let's sit back relax and enjoy a very old as curse to me and the thriling three. I'm breeze log on the Monitor all to Time Travel Sam Beckett from quantum leap inside the body of Richard Herring. Thank you thanks for coming. You lovely be here. Welcome to the show. That all the king's horses but only five of the kingsman calling and if you're listening last time you'll know that the end of show seven Sam Beckett from quantum leap had leapt into my body to attempt to prevent me from killing myself Sam. It's it's me Al. We've made it to the show. I can't understand why haven't jumped yet. Ziggys as we bid eight doesn't have a fucking clue. Either that is unusual to see seem using that language. I just don't know what's going on here. Save Your Breath Dean Stockwell. Sam Isn't here. He's not here anymore. Isn't but in a manner of speaking you Scott Back. Back-heeler is still deep inside me. Grow be like me and be mature but but he is dead but Ziggy says job. There is no ziggy. That's quite get it. Hot Sam Beck is so suicide last Tuesday overwhelmed by the idea that you had to write up to an hour's worth of new material about what happened to him. This week and then recorded live at the Leicester Square theatre in front of an audience. That would make a Scifi convention crowd look normal and well adjusted and then put it out on the Internet completely on it so every fuck up and failed. Joke was preserved for all time so I had to do it myself as usual now but now encumbered with the dead solar Scott Back Ula rattling around inside me which is an annoyance. Listen to this spinning my stomach around gain up some speed day should be able to hear Scott. Sam Becky's to carry is saying psychic being clanking around there against my ribs. Surprisingly metallic company dead so time travel. That's what they sound like a he's gone now. You should be impressing impressive sound effects. That was it was hard to source the dead Soda Scott back-heeler rattling around inside a fatman swimming stomach. That's no easy to get dead souls. Scott Bio in a fatman soothing. Somebody that's a different story. Hundreds of those on the Internet to Mule. Week just to find that sound effect. This is awful. Sam's dead soul is trapped inside you. Can you can just pull him out. No I. CanNot Dean Stockwell. Metaphysical representation of respecting actor playing a character from an increasingly mawkish sci-fi series. Not a piece of fecal matter. You can't just throw out a sacred so the dead of Scott back you'll be with me for the rest of my life. I'd be like when those people find the fetus unborn twin ingested into their own body similar. Anyway a fat Lard helped you to turned out to be with the script but what will become a me. You don't have to worry. Give me ZIG BE BOOP BOOP BOOP BOOP boop one apparent G- Zeki says once constantly grinds itself into the ground you get to be imbalanced galactica who inches a much cooler show. We'd have to say and Kudos to you for managing to get an old boy in when you fucking Salt Is Mrs. That was funny. I tried to get into but you know they cut it out. They also cut out when I said Zinke says there's a ninety percent chance I'll come on you to get well that has used up some time. Something's advocate to me this week Monday last weekend. I was packing Cheddar performing the last ever show of the headmaster so much set in the school performed at the school. And there's a part of that. Show my Bala teacher me and my friends at school. We can't use a very nice teacher. She's very good teacher. But she was a meek and mild. Nick take the pace and we really did every time you the lessons when she said the word my house which Yep say quite a lot of biology teacher. We'd say you're what just every single time. Every time said by my sis my assists whichever the other one is we'd say your what is the same joke. It's still good every time said hormone say. Don't pay it. Was that kind of thing and I was. I felt guilty about this and then the show I Apologize. But it was only till late and my nephews. Sixteen years younger than me reminded me. Once he'd gone through the school system some good time after me. He'd also got into this buttons class. I apparently forgotten this but I told him to say every time said my toast to say so like a decade and a half later. She must have just been recovering from the terrible things that I'd done to a mental health and then another child comes through echo three times. I just like to apologize. If you're listening Spartan and let's face it. She won't be listening to this by. I'd just like to say sorry for the bullying through time next. I see Jim Carey's a Christmas Carol in Three D. at the Max. I've seen a lot of films based on this slightly smug and sanctimonious story. My favorite is the muppet Christmas. Carol is unbeatable. I think most of dickens stories would be improved by the addition of a few muppets. I think that is a rule of thumb any version of a Christmas. Carol Carol that leaves you hoping that tiny Tim will die is not a good one in the Jim Carrey one. I'm not only thought that I was actually hopeful. As scrooge was carrying tiny. Tim showed a high at the end of the film he would then throw the tiny crippled boy to the floor and stamp on his head shouting. I was only pretending to love Christmas. So I can ensure your death definitely happened and tiny tiny. Tim's brains could have flown out towards the audience in Three D. It would have been that would win in a better into that field for me Friday. I was disappointed. Also when they gave us the special three d glasses as we went into the cinema they took them off a straightaway as as we left as well as we got no time having them outside of the cinema. I was wondering if this glasses on actually three D. glasses at all but actually plus worn glasses. We'll just add another dimension on top of whatever you have to be looking at so when you're looking at t to screen they add one dimension to make it three but if you take them out into the real world then you get across one on top of three dimensions can you can see the fourth dimension. Be able to see the workings of time. Presumably everything that's ever happened in the place that you're standing it'd been good. I was hoping that would happen. No wonder the staff are so keen to get those glasses off you at the end. I am not meant. Welcome the cost of AI. Optima IS MINUS ONE DIFF- macktaz minus one de Spectacles taking away a dimension from all objects and sucking the joy out of life like a black hole the H. Fun. It's standard so TV's Emma Kennedy on Guitar Christine Riley a hello I should be. Tv's Tetsu on Miranda this week a naval officer thirty children like it so Wait what's the catch you this week this week? On Sunday I offered my child up to the Church of Rome. Dangerous thing again. You know my my partner is a Catholic But then I thought you know I would be churlish of me to deny her this soap to feelings just because I could. I'm not Robinson not hard line about it. So yeah whatever. Christner's long to do anything so we had to do anything really though I did after the the Nice Vicar Barry Father Barry. I don't know I'm not Catholic as I say came around the two. Moyal on their head or something you chicken blood with all the pope was there. I didn't really understand it. You know and then there's a bit like Temple of Doom. I don't if you've seen that the Rome Rome I whispered in my little baby museums. And that's time and preached touches. You laugh a lot and then I do the receptionist who put together a playlist of sarcastic anti Christian Souls Dare. They really very childish clap. What a wonderful. How can we went the godparents of that time she recalling being invited teen? How much would you say you once a week? How much would I have to pay to buy your daughter's hand in marriage for sixteen years in the future right well? Would you be willing to take for that? Has crossed my mind yet. Nike finding her ever going to festival as the students. 'cause you know you'll still be active. All I can do is hope to bring her up with self esteem fall outside. You'll remember you could make some good money. What's happened to you Christ Christ you? I've finished a humorous song. I play yes. You can joe going with that gun in your hand. I'm going down and sumo to mess around with the fuck. Is that in your hand? Is that a notebook with a notebook. Joe Right in everything you say down. I'm going to turn into a song and sing it. Laden just told you I'm going to kill my wife but you shouldn't you be trying to tell you should kill this going to be great publicity. Resulted these shoot the thing that you know. Maybe I've watched shows up. Shot to BITs disowns GonNA returns amounts confession really is going. GonNa put a strain on our relationship. Can you do me a favor? One just asking about you know when you sing the song you know just change my name on the motorway. Sounds good to me. Are Jay talking about this topic. Christine Riley there astle sometime this week. Is there anything do something about interested if he's not? I weekend did a photo shoot. Had Film starring my sweep it but I had the best thing that happened to me was rather embarrassing incident. If you have a postman who comes very early in the morning or any of you. Lucky enough to have that experience. Still what my my a slightly ungodly hour and and there's often too little parcels and things that come from me always difficult that difficult moment in the morning where you haven't quite got any clothes on and you might have just finished doing stuff in the bathroom or you might be in the middle of doing stuff in the bathroom and the doorbell rings and you get a bit of a panic and I was a little bit discombobulated and Chit and I ran into my religious of pulled on this pair of trousers too I just saw and went to the front door hair out here and they said Okay. You saw him for this. Please start signing. And then I realized that my postman sort of gone a little bit Ashen News. Just staring down at my feet. A pair of pants were hanging out of my child skidmarks. That's very nice. Well of course last week show. We did promise that we would have to play so quiet. I hope you brought his people and I wanna get a fingers through. Have you brought any vaginal lubrication review? We will say that because I thought this moment would come and obviously because we have the arrangement whereby we can't really ever have sex with each other hitting all is involved so I took the precaution of going to a loop. Factory are basically just lay back and they just shot canons of blew up my vagina for everyday like ten hours a day for every day since last Monday and then that would be enough but I took one look at you this evening and it was like my vagina. Just waited on the spoke to the point. I'm actually faulting dust out of my family so it's fine so so you know that we have coins so down. This is why will not go. I've always wanted to do an advocate for. I can't believe it's not. Butter does last tango in Paris with Marlon. Brando believes. It's not anyway last week last week after being bowled over by Peter Kay's generosity and self-serving greed offering to children in need one pound for every piece of merchandise he sold. I made my own offer tonight. Three new pence for every one of my DVDs sold this week from ww dot go faster stripe dot com twenty. Five thousand people download this show every week. Unbelievably if they all put just one. Dvd that would have made an incredible seven hundred and fifty pounds for children in need on. Just one hundred twenty four thousand two hundred and fifty pounds. Tv's Emma Kennedy. Has the final figure suspense This week rich. Pdk's children need song. Sold one hundred and forty thousand coffee. Raising hundreds of thousands of pounds for charity imagined artist sold about half that amount. I'll be rich children in need or get quite a lot of money. Which renewed. Well you Richard Herring this week. Sold wait for it thirty eight. Dvd's making a grand total of pound fourteen pence that will be winging its way to children in need and a not inconsiderable prophet of one hundred eighty eight pounds and eighty six pairs to you. Better about I'd say about sixteen more. Dvd's usually that's pretty good news. That's I mean. The money raised will go to charity to this. That's good and I printed up a giant novelty cheque for one pound fourteen for children in need which I'll be posting to them. It costs forty pounds to make cost another ten to send. Those costs of course will come out of the total race. Oh by my reckoning in Edo me. Let's call it for equate. I'll be taking that money in installments. Many needy children that I happen to see either in cashel sweets or if they're quite annoying children are just pull them to throw and dash them on the ground sending Ed Brayton spiraling across the floor. Kerr's me Chris time. Fritz Jude's Chris every a Turkey every day from land. I wish it could be Christmas everyday because my only pay job this year has been working as a Father Christmas in a department store grotto. Technically I wish it was the week before Christmas week because of course work on Christmas Day so that falls apart anyway. Time for another celebrity endorsement. Elo Eighth Me Tiger Woods. I'll get paid millions of dollars hidden. It's mobile ran with a stick is sweet. Is the do any probably do that? Any who it's been a lot of speculation about our managed to crash smart car into a tree and the file hydrant outside my own house. Well it wasn't wearing it wasn't round with my wife reports into the fat or because she was complaining. Spend all day at the golf course. It was because I was listening to episode seven and laughing so hard dentists impression of the competitive me. A Cat Khimik lost control to the car. Because I find Larry's even now we don't have that in America and there's nowhere can understand what's going on so when he said Thimphu are sour. I've got to operate a call. And that's what really happens anyway. Let's see what else has occurred to me this week. Tuesday well pretty much nothing to me this week after say last after a hectic few weeks. I got a day off on Tuesday in fact aside from doing Collins inhering podcast and a couple of live gigs. I haven't done anything to all this week. Last I'd get a chance to properly prepare for a ultima too slow and not have to NAFTA ended up writing a Monday morning as usual but on Tuesday relax I watched battle star Galactica played countdown on DS. On Wednesday to out on Friday and Saturday and most of Sunday leaving all of the writing of Oughta until Monday again as usual but now with the added disadvantage that nothing had really happened to me at all had nothing to write about apart from our stock ticker and countdown which I've already covered already. I hadn't even looked at. The newspapers have realized that the main good thing about doing that. Russell Howard job was that someone just told me what the main things that happened. This week were could just then. Why about so yeah. It's pretty pretty much the end of the show. It's been fun. I can't really. It's been victims. How much bostock kind of I about ten episodes a day which is unhealthy because they can adversely affect your mental health. If you get too involved in a box set watching it for more than five hours a day. I've started to think that people I know in real life might be silence. I'm wondering if I should just be on. The side stabbed him in the neck with a home-made shift to ensure that. Wipe out the human race as a comedian. I'm constantly flirting with mental illness. Dancing around the precipice of insanity pretending I'm crazy for your entertainment Yom ever fearful that one day. I might actually trip over fall into the abyss of the deranged a few months ago. I saw a homeless man walking along a cheap platform and just following a perfectly innocent respect to middle aged. When you hadn't done anything. He was shouting at Birch fucker break. I thought that's just essentially will do for my job. How I make my get drunk. As drunk he is probably worse and then just shout to the only difference between me and him is then I go home I gotTa home to go to otherwise identical. Whatever all genuinely falls apart from me something. I've really always worried about something. I discussed this week with my friends. Richard and Carol as I played countdown on the toilet. And it's me Richard. One Italy. Smy voice has changed a bit but they're not been dead for four years Welcome back to countdown. Where current champion. Richard Herring is trout in front row. A facial certainly not floundering flounders fish audience seem to think he's a bit of a count fish. That's the fish. He leads. Fifty four points to four very impressive. Isn't it Carol? Yes it is even though that is mainly because he has the game set to amateur level where you can pretty much only lose if you only come up with four letter words. That is a bit tragic now want. I'm just trying to get all the rewards on each level. You imagine you Rosa if you get through every round undefeated as I'm trying to get that having played on the Amazon level about fifty times and still haven't managed to do that which is embarrassing. It makes it less very hard during his because he go through the numbers as well. Sometimes they difficult anyway. Carol Cowan Richard. You're my friends right. Yes only I was just worrying. I might be losing a bit. There's a danger that by spending so much time alone watching DVDs and pretending I'm in countdown was coping with the pressure of having to write a whole new show every week like some kind of latter day spike Milligan. It might genuine drive me insane. It might take the pressure of baby. Just basically repeat the same sketches each week just the saw. This is different than the not the kind of call call last week so much. Different different sketches anyway. The callback well. It's no anyway rich using the best people to discuss your mental problems with two imaginary characters that you've created and taught to when you're playing a video game whilst doing shit that's the thing carol. Aw you to the best people to talk to you because everyone else will probably assume that when I tell them about my imaginary conversations that it's just a silly joke I'm pretending to be insane for comedic purposes. Only you Richard. Whiteley know that this conversation actually really happened. I truly have been driven mad and so only you can help me. It's right rich countdown. Luckily for you marketing some magic beans that cure all mental illness. You have to take five day. And they're only four thousand pounds per bain seems an awful lot of money character. I trust you because you're a mass wiz count down. You've built up that trust over many years so happily give you that money. Oh and the Baynes are invisible invisible. I'm not paying four thousand pounds for an invisible being you know invisible. Exactly only very clever people can see them all know that bell that being yeah I see what delicious looking green and yellow bread soaring orange string in. I'll just eat it now. I say Oh yeah no. I'm not mad. I told my. Ceo Now why lease sign on. I must kill him. Take that way Lena. Knife to meet YOU KNIFE STABBING. You seem to have a stabbing pain in my chest. Yeah this is stopping you kill me. Richard Shut up white. We stopped making puns. When I'm trying to kill US put me off it. Don't you know if you kill someone? Once they're dead then they're gone forever. It's a lesson I taught Michael Jackson. And now you're GONNA call back the show three. Now you'll get to Richard Whiteley date double date and two times. Nothing equals nothing. Hey wasn't asylum rich Berta I O. And it's it's me as a stepping into the dead man's shoes now it's time for the numbers round can have two from the top any other four please. Carol. That's right that was the end of that. Sketch occurs too. Richard Herring has a comedy technion. You said something on fun. He gives a little laugh and then pauses thereby heavily implying other people showed lap too because people feel sorry for him when they realize you slightly playing laugh out of pure pit Bilton and tire career around just not very good career but he looks like Charlie. Bowman to thank you. That sting comes courtesy of disgruntled listener or possibly grunted listener. He's just trying to get on the podcast. It's hard to tell. Now we've been this up. Pope innocent the eleventh. That one in June. I hope innocent. The eleventh isn't right about that though it'd be awful to think I've built a career though not very good one around the audience. Feeling pity for me just not require may just by begging for laughter. Is that what I'm laughter is? That is that why that genuine laugh. What did you see the sadness in my eyes emptiness in my soul now mentally filled with the dead soul of Scott macular which is worse than having an empty soul to have dead? Scott macular in your soul space. Anyway I was sad that those remarks came from Pope. Innocent the eleventh who. I've always admired face possible. Knee his zero as a reform of manners and a corrector administrative abuses had been one of the pope bony faces. I wouldn't have been so that's right. It's a reincorporation from the first series of two totten from thank you from two thousand and four very few people understood. You got to study quite hard to get everything in this show so well if you can keep up with everything else that's coming. It's GONNA be tricky for Thursday Thursday recorded by ninety second podcast with the ever popular fucking idiot Andrew Collins. If you don't already listen to the comments inhering podcast and you really should because this week especially quite good one. We chanced across a notebook. With the first stories I ever wrote in it including the man could fly the man who was never born in the classic the now classic the four men fight the man of FIS fans of that one here tonight the stories out in the podcast role early in immature works from the six seven. Maybe eight year old rich tearing today I want to pray and more sophisticated were written by the nine year. Old Me as a little. Derivative of enid lightened lighten. D- is cold at the thriling. Three pass I meant to call it. The thrilling three. We'll never know. But it's the filing is what we've got the fryling three were inspired by May and my friends Angus Ashman and Tim. I like the fact that Angus ashes full name throughout the story but only team was first name. I don't know what his name was. After I'd written the first chapter he annoyingly moved to Bristol which could have destroyed the thriling three before instead creative genius I was. I incorporate that into the store. You'll see it's an incredible tale of murder and mayhem. It's lane unprejudiced in a drawer. Like Nabokov novel for over three decades. But we're going to perform it now. Exactly as written am girls in the story because of course girls smell and have fleas. That's right they do. What else nothing. Read the script reader which we are all horse. Yes you are now so anyway you could be the narrator damn you the main actor in the show. I think I loved you remember. Miranda this week thank you. I hope you do skeleton. Did on that. I'd love to see your portrayal of another second-in-command Ashman and Krisztian. You can't really do anything but play guitar. So you can play peripheral character team who moves to Bristol at the end of the first Chapter Santa. Quite long listening already. The first chapter. Let's see how it goes off. We have the thriling three by Richard Herring Chapter One. The club there was once a boy. Could Richard Herring you had a friend called Angus Ashman. He also had a friend called Tim one day. Richard said to anger centime. Let's form a club. An anger said yes so they did and Daikin to call it. The thriling three. Tim Asked have. We got a minding place. Richardson said I have shed. We could clean up but it's door has been knocked out. I will show it to you. Richard took them to his heart. I think we should work very hard on it and could get quite a good heart so they worked very hard until it was finessed soon. They held their first meeting. I said Richard who will be the leader who thinks Angus Richard. Put his hand up. Who THINKS TIM? No one? Put Up me said Richard Anderson. Tim Put their hand up well. I am the leader who will look after the money we might connect Angus said. I think so too Saint Richard. Now what could Tim be? I don't want to be anyone. He said chapter too. That need chapter. One is quite sure. I'll give you in packs arrogantly envisioned myself becoming leader of this fictional group of kids. Nelson never going to say. He doesn't want to be anyone even himself. And so far has only said yes. Let's while line. Do you want to worry about that. Things really move on in Chapter Author. This mysterious figure reading. William what's going on with Angus Choir? There's some hidden depths will see what's GonNa Happen Next? I'm going to find a bit more by Medicare on reading now chapter two. They went home with a meeting and decided to their password would be liquorice. They called the meeting off and went home. The next day was Monday. In Tim's to anger some Richard I have got to go to Bristol and so he would not be able to come to the meetings soon. Richard had an idea. Let's write letters to you. Then keep in touch. That's a good idea said Tim all right. We'll do that. Chapter Three a case already chapter two also quite a much happened in those past licorice team moving debris. Oslo team and rich too much Ryan. There didn't really figure too much given. He's the treasurer. Say I feel my character. Would don't be needy about Dan? Tim's gone now it's just you Angus. Ashman and made the leader Richard Herring Schipol. Tim Left to Bristol and Richard wrote letters telling about once they sent a badge. If the club Tim always wrote back. I'm Richard Tim of Ange. Nothing happened until thirty. December. One thousand nine hundred seventy six at night. Ten minutes before midnight a murder was committed the murder taking place just outside. Richards House so Richards Mom and dad were suspected. Try Street a good story and so all the people in Richards road anyone anyone outside they would be. Why WOULD THEY BE? Richard Found Angus and told him about it. Come on let's see if we can find any clues angus doesn't actually say anything. Say's breezy looking for clues about the actor playing and was focused and diligent as far was being the second main story planning and looked and saw faint. Mark SAYING BE DOT H. When they saw it they couldn't make it out unless bridget's mom was guilty She should explain. Because my mom's name's Barbara Herrings. Which so that would be. H would fit with the clues but if you look in. The book is quite confusing as written. Be and the DOTS bigger than you think for. Full Stop and then the H. Looks like it might have something else written underneath it. We don't is hard. That might be significant oil. Might you might find in a second. The DOT H was hard to make out but the next day he saw a N. After it and it looked a bit like a B. Underneath underneath the there was a B. Underneath there but I haven't spotted the debut B. Dot B. N. was hard as wells Fargo Brilliant Richard Herring County from somewhere so this handy clue conveniently short on the ground which the police that somehow ask. Pv keeps himself which is illegal and it wasn't till he went back the next day that he noticed there was an end there as well. The end was probably fine. He was excited about seeing the main. The clue carrying read anyway. Emma then he suddenly thought Bob he looked closer. Bob Nasally the whole name was written at all the only just trump's and I actually limits Richard Herring threading three Dan. He's better and then he was anxiety. Useless character anger's coming up really okay. He had clue but one problem to be nice in Cheddar. They ask them their names. Bob Illness Bob t they should go back and look at the job see if that was written. Which one could it be then? The police found the clue. By the time they were to now Richard an Angus. It found new clue. Chapter the new clues or was find. The clues timid heard all the news and came to stay holiday come so childish and chairlift Angus. He's a brilliant kids in Africa would love to play angry. Said I'll tell you know I. This is better than I'm playing bowling league in all the clues Richard Herron East Board. I'd rather Jewish world now. It's too late now. Tim that found on the ground gun. It was a pistol. Russia teams back straightaway. He finds the murder weapon on the ground where it had lain untouched by the police and Ritchie and Eric and useless Angus fucking Aspen. Maybe is too involved with counting up all the money. That the thrilling three that file to shot down. Suspense food spoiling. This people are carried away by this charitable wrapped. Boy One of the men. They suspected was creepy and they thought and they thought he had a gun. Not Knowing where you think this was the wrong call. Pope t ness but they had a speical kit to tell the fingerprints so they took the fingerprints and founded. Wasn't Bob Ness. It was Billy Nass and he was questions. Suddenly come from. Kim said Bob so firstly sheets. It's not meant to make sense. It's like the usual suspects or twin peaks or something positive bullshit. Just bad billy Nassar's about to speak. Can I play nope? No now after? All the you've made Emma's playing hasn't aiden pine the whole thing. All I know why he said me why Richard said I did it and ran because he thought the police were behind Richard and Angus. Anger said Agnes Mr. Complain he does. Let's go donald scratch very important without that have stood watching Billy Nash. Runaway chapter five to chase begun the man stop to look back. I can't see anyone then. He saw something move and ran on. Now it came to parts where you could get out. He got out and shut the trap door now now now now next nothing the story ends. There must've must've do. We know what to do. The trap the trap doors suddenly and I mean the book. Just move onto my next story detectives. We'll them stability. Let's do the thriving. Free catch him. What does he kill them? What would become a vagus? Ashman does anything else to say for himself. Can't bear the fact I'll never know why. Why compelling tale from the young herring? Please finish and story. I can't do that Dan. The past is a foreign country in the young. Richard hangs at different person to me. All know for me to complete his meister work would be like someone who wasn't he wasn't Douglas Adams writing new hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy. Just so they could make huge amounts of money. That comes the young Richard Airing decide. The event's agenda on that cliffhanger and I have to respect his artistic vision as it occurs to reduce ties. Misspelled JOTTINGS. Shy US up eight pages of script. I'm not complaining so I now we're turning to the audience. The audiences a lot of people into which is great. Please do come home and haven't seen yet two more shows to go as anything occurred to any warm in our richest hands up. If you got a great story to tell from your gentleman here I was talking to you. This is a blow to be go to YouTube. Stuff is a documentary called less legend. Mis using this as an attempt to publicize your stupid student film. You've done legend of mattress. Is that it. That's a fucking hirings and all I add. Some hindsight beings did try. You re five hundred pounds for that. The advent of Scott's axumites ratings you get I like you like the side of the audience go every day in the jump you got for last Christmas. I was GONNA copy. Here's joke by eight. Done it before the nine year old. Richard Herring. If you're gonNA copy it then he would have had to have done it before. Wouldn't touche a very attractive young woman in the audience which is unusual thing in itself speak. There was a mass on your fridge. So what you're doing is conforming female. She pulled the fridge out of mass and squeeze screened and John Tana Chair. You are in pretty woman. So that's what you have to do. In that case but most of the women the audience would have stood just out on. The mouse is the twenty first century. What you've stopped you take that tiny tim. Guess what it's been exciting time in the audience where genuinely slightly scary moment so we haven't you done very rude about my career but a lost member last week. I mentioned embarrassing. Journalists number. One in a drama about the Suffolk Strangler. The most. I think it was that reading. That must've got something different. He's unlike anything we've ever seen. He's and they'd heard you rank Aspen. Who knows because then with Naval Officer? Miranda angry around after you've gone rollercoaster already actual yet take having lunch with with the with someone off the telly. Overseer as you know for now I don't name names and she was talking about given the sex away and she was talking about that thing about when you have young fans coming up to you in awkward places and she actually was in the toilet and and some young people came up said. Oh we love you love your show. Thank you very much. And then she went into the torch APU but it wouldn't flush so. She stayed for eight years in the torch. Thinking. I can't that my fans see my own checks. I just can't and so she did that. Feel of having to pay for a bit. Then she followed up with the brilliant story we saw. Someone was at school with teenagers. A really fancy this boy and this policy and solve the same thing happened that she did and she knew this boy. She really fancy tools immediately outside the toilet and it wouldn't flush away so she actually scooped out of the toilet and threw it out the window but didn't realize that they will plead patio just having a really nice lunch. This screen shot. You sure. This is an actress friend. Emma Kennedy Horror Stories of axis and ships than any old woman is how that follows. I pick Ted Anyway. Let's move on his and other celebrity indoors. Hello mid Osama bin Lovin from offers nine eleven. Okay I just thought it wasn't in one of the planes fucking idiot. Joined the seventy four suckers. Everyone always wanting to know. Where am I where is he hiding whereas Nautilus? Well on Monday nights. I'm here safely ensconced in the square. Where all the normal human beings are scared away by fat idiot and a strange woman constantly threatening to expose the genitals or have sexual congress. But what I've been here. I've listened in unto. You know some of the stuff is it's okay. Yeah there's not as good as some of the other stuff that he's done but I look in the mirror that's simples very good. I meant to like people like people saying symbols. It's not meant to be everyone. Seems like we could just use other people's catchphrases trying garlic bread Chunga. Last out they read. His father was surprised after the podcast on this. They Andrew Callings and we had to record ourselves. Saying lots of rude words brand new collins and herring profanity application for the iphone which is coming swearword generate. It will create three. Would insult like atrocious. The thunder cat to cats. I Yeah Now. Getting Pretty Ruse an atrocious. The sly no company and she was outside on the patio which he'll be read out in the voices of me. I love nineteen eighty threes. Andrew callings should be available to download through my phone loving idiots before Christmas. I signed lactic alone and I want to read hundreds of disjointed explosives like clumsy. Jeez faced shit magician awe tubby grubby fuck nut and thought I really come to this this this? Why do nows this any job for a forty two year old man? I should be a headmaster. My Nanna swearing on my own. It ACSI but when it came to Andrew Call to read out the woods. He got cold feet. Now there's some very rude would into bit profane well past the profanity application. That's the whole point of it. Create Profane Front phrases randomly stunned account at night. And you could see the towers funny. Everything could be gold. Look at least word so Richard. I don't think I'm comfortable with saying the WORD SHAFT LIQUOR SHAFT. Lick is not something that you just said it. I wouldn't want people to hit me. Andrew Collins saying you know book it family you don't focus. I don't mind saying the things that I'm profane but I think it would disappoint all the fans of my radio times film page if the head me saying lay people. We PAINT DOWNLOAD AN APPLICATION. Which they will want to hear you saying Labia and Dick now limited known is coming out remain mouth in my distinct voice fame. Say Definitely Dick. No real ones. That you haven't crossed out to say thrush Captain Yes. There's nothing wrong with rush. Captain Distinction between things that are offensive and things that aren't is arbitrary and best and this along with your mortgage based lottery wind distribution system prince. As you know I- calling who is mentally ill you're a repellent energy draining brother. Fucker you're a weird punch once. These application is ready. I'm just going to set my phone to ring you out repeatedly and tell you in my voice a vile grubby. Cliff face you. I am all of those things. Why don't you wrapped sketch about how stupid I am ultimately join many and that could be like Michelle? You will never be on my show. Be on the podcast on member is now gonna be on the tickets. So I'll be there if you need me. I won't do not want you on the bud com. Look after up tomorrow calendar. I wonder what noise that would make spinning round. Bass I have. My sound doesn't work for you. Leave Pope Eleventh. That's the sound of an audience responding Pity I know you're a sign on cullings. I know it and you probably a manifest as well. Why she's why I'm GonNa have to kill you. Never get away with no one's GonNa miss you callings and I have an actor who can do your exact voice. Uh carry on doing the podcast. No suspect suspected rich. You were right. I am a sign on and so I cannot die. I will just download into a new body. I'll be back next week. And there's a sign on. Maybe that explains the hallmarks deal thing as news up the most indulgent comedy. Sure of two thousand eight can lead to what it itself self-indulgent and he did generally refuse to say all those things that sold those things he generally said we wouldn't say fucking twins talk for one just to get off my jets. Assume because he he has the power of the other podcasts. Anyway time time one last celebrity endorsements me Super Bowl Susan Boyle to see my come. What can image now took life if a stunned hat Delo light? Brian May selection of cure. I have shown you that you don't have to be young beautiful to get to the top of the hip lead. What an ugly old Matt. Parson is also lewd but I got the whole. Luckily old person thing covered new so heading and Dawn Davis cover leasing. Let Guard set me but good luck with tune shots with. You'll need it. No Way Things Richard wheatly just turned into kind of seem goon show was Harry. Seacombe was anyway this. That's just that's just not the end of another show I can. I can only apologize if you pay to come and see this if you if you want to come and see this life then there only two more chances to get down to the left square to this year next week the show starts at nine thirty of eight as we're following some fellow code stew or something one comes to both shows and try and judge which is the funniest. It's to be like a Leeann herring. Smackdown him with his structure show and talent me with a load of actually mental stuff that I've made up on the day. It'll still be me so before we end the show. I just WanNa make an exciting announcement. I'm I was so enjoyed reading about the exploits of the thriling three. I decided I'm going to reform the frightening three. We're GONNA come. Back and solve adventures not with taming useless Angus Ashman up to new members for the thrilling three. Humane yes Dan. Tv's Kennedy and Christie and rioting Amazon sales flea grow up down the flea being a member of the terrorist species of insects exists principally on rodents in the Mammalian class and most large animals that suckle their young and largely free flea infestation. That's a call back to series are fister fun if you're if you're really if your proper fan back to the mid nineteen eighties the oxted just cellar in Oxford University instead. That did you we sell and we Dan. I said I'll give him a blow eve it from wisdom on as well so that's why they want to be in the thriling three can by it's very nature only have three members. I have a shed. We can clean. I think it could be quite good. Shed Oh please. Let me being the thrilling three. I just want to be in the Froylan three. If I am in the throat and say I am in the thriving three you. If you're in the final thriling three you would know. The Password is liquid Fu Password has been compromised driving three. We need to move to the second secret password. Come DOWN. I know as fairies not being this filing cupcakes. We start doing the whole thing sort of thing. The Andrew Callings Roulette Wheel Sake with me. We'll have sake people in the thriving three good. Those are good things kick them anyway. Friday three there'd been a lot of suspicious deaths in this week so I know they try and find the murderer okay. It's you shop. Look what's that reading joke on? The floor is cleaner. Says Dan Tetsuo diddy and he's a assign on killing killing. Oh we wickham out again again. We did lower back. Run out of Sukur tonight case goodbye reached the end world. 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106: Tour de France stage six: Le Teil  Mont Aigoual

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106: Tour de France stage six: Le Teil Mont Aigoual

"You are listening to the cycling podcast added to the phones. To you by woke flexible loans built for small businesses, I work dot co Dot cheesecake today, we had a grill. We are we love. lytle front swastika. We've been passing the buck here. Even Francois had to look up how you say the name of the town we're in merry ways which features in him crap is book. Starts here he changed on this on this very street. Your being plagued by wasps it's late summer. Wasp season isn't it. There's a lot of wasps around outside. Quite, a busy restaurant for a race being dominated by visa. An and walk around the front. And I unfortunately you are. Rosy. And and and what seemed to like it very much indeed. One point today it looked as if only teams in yellow and black were the Palestine until the any aus- granite ears takeover but we'll talk about the race we should mention this. Beautiful. Place that we're in after stunning along. But stunning drive today through as you were telling, US Francois the least populated parts of France. It is. Yeah. I. Mean we we. Can. Make going to reveal the truth. I. Mean. We got lost. I, mean. People people know about Montpellier and driving around Montpellier not that is very, very easy to miss a turn and then to have to drive fifty case before finding your way back. Where you were planning to go in the first place. But then when you go behind moment beyond Montpellier in the what is The audio the. Upper. Herro. Stunning views, stunning lengths, and that's what we drove through to get close to Monte Guel to get to. Millis. And and we left a order that's the name of department around Mauri to get into loser, which is the least populated department in France and. Well, less political lots of trouser three to the on on the roads indeed. Well, I'll take responsibility for the failure of navigation because I skipped ahead of step and changed the destination in nap before we'd come off the motorway at the Right Junction Sewri Richard you went very quiet i. Thought you were going to get cross that I was internalizing my frustration. I thought you. I. Thought you a gripping the steering wheel a little bit harder than the normal yet my fingers are quite sore tonight. We'll thank you for not making me feel worse because I feel like a felt like I'd. Caused, the team lead to to be on crash I'd forgotten programmed in the turnoff so. It was only later went on I remembered that angry. Angry, but it just is always frustrating. You know. When you take the wrong turn and because. It's just unnecessary time in the car. We did as you say Francois, the the silver lining was that we did have a stunning drive and we're looking forward to bite right here tomorrow because we're in the van on as beautiful as we heard and today's Columbus zero which featured and the writer by Tim Crabbe, I'm just a brief word or not one of our colleagues William following him. On twitter claimed that. He doesn't like the book because intellectualize is bike racing and it doesn't. It doesn't completely opposite Tim. Crabbe told us in the in the episode. So differ listen. Very. Yeah. Very true Richard just on getting lost there were few vehicles to get on the wheel off one that with. There's don't the entourage he's all smaller than we're used to and so which. You even more interesting because we're actually for the last forty five case we were almost alone big plateau. Very wooded in the saints on and they'll gorgeous gorgeous landscapes to be. You know to be honest even if you know. been winding and could see a time that Lionel was feeling a little bit. Just. Gorgeous who? No. I'm the absolutely absolutely stunning around here and it does often produce very interesting stages. There is a stage in in the masks on Tron to those and ten, and that was you know again, a very strong breakaway went away and that happened today and. That just. Wasn't your your average breakaway. It was a breakaway that you know really made the race fast and hard and think anybody had an easy they they they know no certainly not and the discombobulating Franz just got even more confusing because today's stage felt very much like a transitional type stage you might get towards the end of the second week or the star of the third week between the big mountain ranges but no, which still in week one feels completely different to normal button Utah stage six from Tay Monte go out let's say the TAME means you have to give us the Of the atop. No. Good. So to Montego out one hundred and ninety one kilometers and an absolutely furious days racing as you say, Richard largely because of the firepower in the eight-man break that went clear quite early on Nicholas Roach of Sun web pages of Coffee Remmy Cavanna of decoding quickstep the Olympic champion Greg Album. Of CCC was shortly joined by Nielsen powerless of AF, pro cycling Ed Vault version Haagen of NTT, pro cycling. Daniel off of one hundred, Zero Alexi. Cinco of Astana the Cossack champion and the eventual stage winner, the pace would absolutely searing nearly fifty two kilometers were covered in the first hour and. That was because I guess the bunch didn't want the break to get out of hand and suddenly you know put. The G standings at risk there the few. Dangerous enough riders in there that. Could. have moved up the overall standings. Eventually they did ease up and just let it go. But it was fairly obvious from the midway point of the stage that someone from lead in group would win the stage. All the Panova climbing. So Nielsen powerless go clear on his twenty fourth birthday but he was caught and then Look Cinco wink clear four kilometers from the top of the penultimate climb around seventeen in total from the finish and it was a bit like the stage. He won the welter in two thousand and seventeen. Richard we were there Alka sebre where there was a similar long break all day and an uphill finish. This is saying coach First Tour de France state win the first Kazakh stage win since Alexander Vinokourov in rebel not too far away ten years ago. Hatred. had already gave chase on the final climb but the bottle of champagne that the team Cedric Vasseur keeps in the luggage compartment of the team bus to toast US tour stage win. We'll have to stay on ice a little while longer chuckling last year. Didn't they? Sell by dialing well. How long we keep wine and champagne well well, it depends I said you know we'll do the ones you keep a well if you really want to keep going, don't keep you more than twenty, twenty, five years maximum and that's overreaching that for covid. Pop. Open and the car doesn't actually popoff. Yeah. I mean the last Coffee Tour de France stage we on. Chamonix. Thousand Eight is a long white other little things happen today. There was a brief attacked by Fabio Avenue. There was a puncture at the bottom of the last bit of climbing today job he got back in. And well. The finish. It was Lukashenko ahead of head order with Matt and powerless. The only other two riders from the break to stay away from the bunch owner g C. riders were together. From Danny Martinez. She lost eight seconds, Zach cutting. Juvenile Lafayette. Absolutely alip elite away at the end to take back one of the twenty seconds that he would penalized yesterday. 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So there are lots of stories that we aren't really covering while we're here, but we're happy towns equations but. In our press conference Soviet please email US contact at. The cycling PODCASTS, DOT COM, where also doing an absolute zero with Sabah PK who is the of Race Radio of course on a if you've got questions for him about. His job works what he does and. Some of the technical things that go on in the race. Please also email. US contact the PODCAST DOT com and we will forward them onto Sabe. Well, today was a a a great stage. Beautiful stage. A strong breakaway and. Deserving winner and in Sankoh you spoke to his I think just finish from took to Dimitri for Nov. while former Ryder and who's been with Astana for a long while now and he told me That well. is absolutely perfect day for. For What he said exactly was. Great weather great landscapes the Kazakh champion Innes Kazak champion Jersey. Winning or Kazak team on a great Tour de France stage with Alexander Vinokourov was their leading sponsors of Astana. With were there apparently on the race today so he said everything went according to plan was. Perfect deciding birther would we would be doing just that? At, say in in in the break today with plan exactly when should I can detect exactly when we said he would attack and that's exactly what what happened. So you say, what? What can I say? You know sometimes everything clicks into place and it was one of those days while. Soy from when we heard the names of the eight Rogers in break. Khuda immediately and said, well, send will win that Ya? Very confidently. kind of he's ideal terrain is next time and a put it off in almost sort of state by numbers I mean just sort of logic tests for me made made all the right moves at all times and no one could go with him in terms of his talent and potentially add when he were under twenty three world champion. Some time back and he? Well I. told me he could have one more. Quite a good record to let's face it as you said, he wanted. New. In twenty seventeen, I think he also won the tour of Oman twice I think be Hustle Sarah in the quintessential tour of a man last year, which was kind of some type of writers and but what for fun of told me that? It was a little bit all over the place before. While, this year this season and he was aging well it'll be twenty, eight, thousand, four days. I think at accelerate Sankoh and. Tomi while a safe win like this will do lot for this confidence is now more you. Listens to US much more than did in the past is not. So you know Ah Mudug French like going all over the place and and and I told me that actually is a writer they're going to be not building up for the classics. He says that in his mind could is go win the Flanders Could Win Milan some removed. And in the future that sets what they're going to do I'm out for him. Be a big real classics, rider, which is, which is already we saw him at the front in the last million some Ramo but really they think is coming of age now and he could soon win one of the monuments. Cycling. Team. Cars the back of the tax lease. became voice tour the Tour de France of course reminded us to tell you that this episode is sponsored by the next generation. What atom we're going to hear from Chris Scott who used bike to recover and regain strength after suffering a very serious accident. So I was involved in the a serious accident on was a motorbike and a car pulled out in front and About sixty miles an hour broke the majority of the bones in my body. Initially I was I was giving a short recovery telling however that said that proved very quickly to be fairly untrue. So the accident was nine months ago now and Still, notes able to properly I rely on on crutches still get around ons. Now, put full weight through my leg which say good thing. 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Thanks to the bike because he could do some indoor cycling innovate low risk environment knowing that you could start with a short session and build up and he wouldn't be out on the. Road you know if he do half an hour on the bike without leaving home, of course and you know tycoons recovery steady in the early days, we'll hear more about Christie's recovery. Fortunately, he's quite well on the way to fool recovery now and a starting to look ahead to some objectives on the bikes I will hear from Chris again tomorrow. The next generation what by atom is available to buy from nine hundred pounds per month. See what Bike Dot COM W ITT AKA DOT COM for details. Hey Whitey I heard he had some trouble with browsing my name. It's wreck. It. As well, Francois Humming. My. Social media sensation of the tour familiar. Yeah. I think that this star with the. Mission, Scott Team. Did of white men pronounce saying. That they were the first to do that, and then CCC took it. To the video again and kind of mounted differently inserting read the novel. Carbon. picky. Send, the, famous, market. Song. Van Avenue. Every time every time I heard his name. I didn't have a steering wheel. But I was I was mentally Stephen Every time you. Look once again he. So much more than well being being you know, Youtube, video of the tour on a your he's one of your favorites as always. Blah. Yeah. He's always been the said at for me. It's been a little bit. Last season been that's great. I mean as many as best season. But a for two seasons there was this match inside between. Greg Van Peter Sagan to you know in the classics and even on some stage races to who was the the best of an I remember talking to to both. Quite a few times at the Montreal and Quebec Round. Pre because they used to be one and two and two, thousand, one and. At the time the the the list of one and two between Sagana. Greg. Anonymous was amazing but. For for for obvious reasons, I mean, you know the the the the the flashy exuberance side of again, a great one element was often overlooked. In my opinion, it's been the best writer in the world for the. For two or three seasons when well-specified one when he was Olympic Olympic champion I think in many ways it doesn't get the credit he deserves and he's showed again to know today by joining this break, which is very difficult for. You have your Greg Vanilla how can you get into a break? Some geshe explains you know did that and came close this guy is not supposed to be climbed an in a half climb. Let's face. It Lucy's is a long. Hard climb was not far away from Sankoh was. On this day the Rabbit was a real climber I'm always impressed by Greg. foreshadowed. Our audience dire assignment Gash. Go there who were going to hear from in a moment. But yeah, I never mind is one of the M does tend to be overlooked. He's not flashy. But Our Belgian colleagues really enjoy working with runoff Vermont. Interests and very accessible to them when in Belgium and you reach a certain states to send sometimes you become less accessible. So speaks three languages. Fluently and always willing to talk in your language you. Know Really. Think of anything bad to say. Simon. Gastric. Agrees with you. Francois on Soi. Let's hear what whatever audio diaries, the CCC writer Simon Geschke had to say about today's stage on his teammate, his Captain Greg Government Hi guys. Yeah. I'm back after not so. Exciting Day yesterday. The just meant today this morning everyone was fresh and ready to go and the stage was also. You could say it was definitely. Good. Good. Try for breakaway to go to the finish and that's what we also thought. And Yeah. So in the meeting it was. Just a pretty clear message we are not missing it today and. Yeah from the beginning on the takes were flying and In the end we had our best card to play actually in the breakaway with Gregg. For him, it's never really easy to go in the breakaway because he's such a classy writer everyone knows it. Everyone can also sport very easy because, yes the the Golden Hammer, the golden bike or the big champion. And Yeah so he's always a sort of marked. But Yeah. It was long fight also bit hilly uphill in the beginning and. He made it and We were all happy with that also because he had some really strong guys to go with him and Today was it a day? Where could definitely he could have won win the stage and even taking the bottle. Which I was hoping for a little bit during the stage when the. Gap kept growing and growing but. Yeah off the while. It got stock at six minutes and I was already thinking. Is. Probably, not enough if teams go really hard on that I can't climb. But yeah. He put in a good fight and in the end. Came home with a third place which is. Definitely, a very strong result if you look at his pine lawless, he's just one of the best rod is in the world as in youth always live us on the second day already was close to a statesman won the sprint just behind. The three leaders onstage to niece and also today he was He was right up there and. He's he's good on so many Tehran's he won't buddy will be as well as Really. S. Stages with. Really a lot of altitude meters. So he's not just to your classic Ryder? Also climb very well, he can sprint. So there's not much that he cannot do and then. Yet to share a little bit. The personal side away from just looking at his qualities as a writer also as a person as a team mate ought to say a right with an awful almost two years. To get the team and Yeah he's such a nice. Captain Never. Yeah. Eh R- again, I mean if you look at all the success, he had already in the past years I think it's easy to. And lose a bit touch to to reality and But yeah, he's always humble and yeah, just really nice captain. So I'm really happy to raise another tour frostbitten. Next year proably We will be different teams again but yeah we I. Would enjoy the last one with Gregg as a leader. And yeah maybe. They would be another day where we can be in the break together with him and we can play a little bit. And hopefully get a stage win for the team that would be super nice to have Yeah to. One last big success together. But Yeah like I said. As a person, he's a super cool guy and I think there are. Not many people with his class that the also done to. Like he is and. That's what I really admire. You say that fronts go about. Perhaps, not getting the credit for his performance I mean. Four years ago at the Tour de France. He won the first summit finish at Louis Orion. Other side of the message. At the northern end of it, and that was not it wasn't. It wasn't. An Alpine pass, but it was still a big climbing. He won very convincingly and even lost no two years ago he was hanging around. The talk twenty very deep into the race I'm a much better. Mountain Climber Than You would think Faw writer who we kind of assume as a classic specialist somebody who's very good on the cowboys. By in the tour flounders and when you look the You know the way he's career has gone. Predict a lot earlier on then had a long speller BMC racing which kind of then morphed into team. See See the team is with now and what he's on the move next year going to aid Utah, which is an interesting move for It's a real challenge for for him into French team and and it's also a an interesting challenge for Edgy are the obviously changing priorities moving away from new ballet. Era into the into a new look if you look at the signs of made and and and. The very strong team. They're going to put together next season aged to our lamantia. Are you know a heading for the classics and no more? And Greg another Ma in this. Ag To our CITRA in no sorry starting. From Team CCC TO TEAM TO CV. Wow very good lionel. Well. Another performance caught my eye or our eyes today. This turned twenty four today. It was his birthday and he was really good company in Non Breakway for Shannon proven writer and wrote a really strong winds last year his first grand tour for visa. Think it was a big surprise when it was announced during the Vuelta that he was leaving you movies Monte join e f Pro. Cycling. But we've seen them attack twice in this riches unusual especially in a team with three leaders. I've been surprised that he's been allowed to. Right. As on race on these two days and today really took his chance. Well, not only made it into that really strong road really well, once he was there and we saw him on TAC. Yeah well, think the transfer from visual. Not Inhabit the moment of losing talented climbers are they maybe they felt that they couldn't accommodate a powerless when he would have been below set Koos. For example, in the pecking order, I mean how many riders of the same kind of ability to one team need gas? Humor visas, lachey pro cycling's gain, and when you look at how they've opening week has gone so far Danny Martinez, of course, lost time after the crash on the descent of the coders in niece. Surgery. GITA was not looking I one today the back and trying to get back up to the the main group favorites. So a little question mark about him rigoberto around is the one I think he's just floating nicely below the radar and it will be interesting to see because in in stages with descent down to the finish on both days in the Perez nothing particularly to trouble him there he's going to be a factor deep into the end of the second week in the beginning of the third. So yeah, maybe they feel that Nielsen Polish has got. An opportunity they can give him an opportunity to really find out what he can do in the Tour de France. There's also a question there by well with Daniel as you said, we'd done in maters losing really face. Let's face it Johnson. Surgery Gita obviously proven that it probably won't be leading juicy container and run as. As you said been below the radar, but we really can't seem just now you know make. Challenging the real favorites for Baby top-five placing, they maybe did the focus for. Pro, he's not to win stages and and in which case. It's quite understandable that they descend palace a front, and as you said I mean if you look at the, you know the the the lineup in a way of this breakaway with redone of Alma Wassenaar Nikola rich. I, mean all these. I loot single experienced re really solid talented riders and powerless with with. On paper kind of a, you know not the same pedigree in every says a lot about the the ability really does because it was not an easy break to get into and then for it to stay away those guys related to commit on. I was watching the stage when it was the really decisive moment and whether that break away or not because the teams that missed it. The. Movie Star Mata pseudo some of them. Tried to close it down and they pretty and the guy can eight seconds at one point. Having been having been hovering around thirty six to eight seconds and look like the they'd been caught, but they just can't going the cap has can't going. On it just the bunch having thought they made the junction as as they say, south. Up. And they didn't continued the chase and that loss junction was never made in the break just went away. Then you know. The chase happened because it was such a strong bring on. They stayed away because they were such a strong collection of writers. Yes. A bit like. To get on the train, just as the doors are closing and the trained at to put out with a platform and kind of making it. But then realizing you've left your briefcase on the platform. Does that work. Probably. Not Because you wouldn't leave your briefcase on the platform if you're running for the trying to catch the train. On then the doors close literally just as you're. About to get it trained goes away. Like and then they didn't maybe equipos. Quick maybe a quick mention of team sunway because. Yesterday that they missed it by really nothing her hair you know after leading the great leader. For Keyboard and today actually Nikola Roach with the man who started the breakway so that they're trying hard they getting their, you know Fortunately for Foreign Roach couldn't. Keep up the pace in the in the last climb but. They need to be. I think in a way if there was a combat chief. Team, may I heard their coach? Tonight talk about every day they have a plan to try and win the stage and you know on a lot of stages. So I, think four six, they've been really close Mark Harsh. Say They've had case bowl on today Nicholas was different writers taste Banou Israel. We've seen him up the road to so they deserve credit for the way that they're racing with the team that they have. Let's see a few questions to Nielsen pilots. AM. Let's hear from him now and then his sports director one of our audio direst Tom Southern it's it actually went pretty. Quick Considering that I think a lot of people had their eyes on the breakaway today and. I think it was just the perfect storm of a lot of strong guys. Group? Strong guys. Making their move pretty early on the first incline after the race started and. As. Soon as I saw. The riders that were going in there. I knew that everyone in there was just a world class athlete and. We had to be so. I was a little bit far behind when I saw them I going and. But I mean ended that we. Should be in there because it looks like a group that could go to the line. So. As soon as I saw an opening in the side of the Road I. Tried to go across on my own and. Luckily, there was just enough of the of the climb to go to where I could bridge across right before it started to go down and then. Once. Once everybody was in there. We just started rotating like everybody super hard to to make the GOP go out the first hour was. About as as hard as. As the last the last hour was. Just. Getting into the breakaways. Is. Is. Is. Is is sometimes just as hard as. The effort required to win the race and. Today getting in the breakaway was super brutal, but it was also just tactical enough of following the right wheel and. Saving just. A couple of pedal strokes of energy when when you could so that you could. One stay in the wheel when after you you take your poll, take your turn and. Also just kind of thinking of. Okay. Like it's really hard right now but. If this goes we also have to think of the end of the race so At the moment, it was just completely all in to. Make the breakaway. Gain time on the Peleton and get away but. Then after we are away was thinking about stage, it's it's like a bitter sweet because obviously I'm. I'm super happy with the performance and just being able to raise the Tour de France and. At the same time I'm like. Like it was a golden opportunity for stage win and I really wanted to. Do that for the team and myself and. Everybody who's been supporting the end. A Win would have been just incredible. Would've made the day even better off obviously but At the end of the day like I'm still just so proud of myself for what I was able to do out there and. Just. A. Just learned a lot about myself and about how to. Raise a breakaway of that of that caliber. I think just some of the guys in the breakaway were it's smarter than I was and. And in the end, just a bit stronger. But maybe in the future, I can raise a bit smarter and. Just. Enjoy it another day in the breakway maybe at some point in the future but. I was still. Racing and attacking at the front of the to France. It's a great day. SPEC of the hotel fondly after a day. Behind Nielsen. Policy. which was a strong performance good to a good one I think Nielsen. I tour to France People that WANNA be breakaway today. And it was only proper across managed to make their way into it. It was not easy to get into even though it was first move went. The break rode hard all day. And then. On the last climb, they were still really moving actually So. A good strong solid dave him. He's a guy who don't think she'd be underestimated I mean. Oversee two years visible before he came here but he a I think he's original intention was to pro with his team but. Something happened in ended up, going to visit for a couple of years which we saw a really strong solve. Place to learn obviously. an. Of One of the standout things I think he did was being. Split in the in the well to law students first grand tour when he made it. into a few moves policing. Also made it into the big on across win day. So we see the key kinrade is Barak. which is a major plus. He's to an engine. Erm hard working guy applause himself. Clothing Self. Very. Hard you know when you ask them to do something purpose loubet to enthusiastically today on the. On the phone klom there But yes. Good, they have him on his birthday and learn. And keep improving. On the whole. Everything else sort of taking a long. Wearing to see. How things develop this weekend. The cycling podcast is supported by science in sport science part fueled by science. Thank you very much indeed to Science and sports sorry fronts or do you want to do this? Science. Because I don't. It's easy. S. S I. Remember the most codes. You See. Simple. Keep forgetting key remember. That's all I see twenty-five Sciences Sport Dot Com, and fill your boots with all your scientists, sports, sports, nutrition products there. But make sure you place your order in the final twenty kilometers of any stage because. My a second penalty Julian up. Did you delivered by? Franck L. Felipe. Julian Allah Phillips Cousin Well of course, this story broke off to the stage and then the details of came out in the wash last night after we'd record in an overnight and again, this morning Francois Leaky had the low down on what actually happened and. Exposed because of the way that Adam Yates, took the Yellow Jersey we kind of underplayed a little bit. The significance of that. So we'll. We'll redress the balance a little bit initial part, but only Allah Philippe Story. As keep understand it. The teams were warned that the twenty kilometer rule would be enforced properly, and after perhaps a month or your years of thinking wow, he's the. Shares are going to relax the rule at the. The eleventh hour will play somebody inside defined with twenty k. just in case and they got caught out. Yes right. That's what I mean may maybe it's up could I put it? While bullshitting from Patrick Lefevere but explained of. The explanation gave. was also were to prove out professional actually the quickstep off because. They think of every. And one of the option is that the twenty case rule could be lifted because it's very hot and sunny or the pace is too high and there are many reasons why come stars in at the end of the stage and they do it very often actually lift the twenty KS rule. So just in case they do. Some real professional teams ever guy in in the last the interested in case to get to give a last minute you know. Products to the to to anyone who might need it, and as we saw yesterday I, mean the junior Lafley was not the only rider to be penalized for doing the exact same method coups was was caught and and in the past as as you probably remember Chris Room. All guys like I remember Meager Linda, rain getting penalized from the same the same thing. So it to be an old strategy tactic to to to to have some just in case to try to challenge the twenty k. rule. It and it was frank. Fully Julian's brother wasn't a who was in a quickstep. In a quick to quickstep delay handing up A. Bottle. And a lot of people remembered the incident in two thousand thirteen when to try and get around this rule Chris Room with kind of. Suffering, the hunger knock and so his teammate Richie poor took a feed from the car thinking that he would get the penalty he them handed it to Chris Room and the commerce took a dim view of that and gave Chris Room the penalty as well. I. Think if I'm remembering that correctly your frowning Richard I know I think that's right. Yeah. I'm trying to wrack my brains. Because many many of our listeners, you know m many you know. Commend some on Social Network said, Oh but why did he did on December one of his teammates to collect the the stuff and give it back to him. But as you say in the past commissaries, kick I really I think when the twenty will is. In in action in operation they they keep a very close eye on or also doing very obviously caught on camera. You know I remember I remember seeing you know given what you said about. Being, a deliberate. Strategy Hell of a risk to take when you're in the Yellow Jersey. But also. As, said, last night, I saw a sort of a silly ru I mean it's a strange sport that penalizes right as for trying to rehydrate even I'd always why they're. There is there is a hundred and forty other kilometers in which get your strategy and right? Yeah. You know it's just it's just to stop them doing in the last twenty and a couple of people have asked were why couldn't they have you know everyone could just take something from the side of the road in the last twenty K. where if you go to stage where the race is on inside the twenty and you've got an effectively another feed zone and everyone's trying to grab a bottle or jail. I'm not sure that that's that's a desirable and mountain 's you don't want to. Feeding from a car off is definitely out but beating from the roadside also, it just adds to the chaos shift the whole remember the days of our leading on. vk Does this get fed tolls and and then. They were going. They were chasing Khanate as silicon likes to stop in bars you know to buy drinks. We took a legal buffalo tonight of A beautiful at Teradata mistrial. The rhone wine red wine if I'm not mistaken Francois. What was your policy verdict dot say this was our day in the in the green. Jersey collection put together by. Sailors. Who are who put together a few cycling podcast wine collections for this Frans Gutu divine a sellers dot com if you'd like to have. The online shop and you'll see all the winds there but we're drinking a few of them as we grind and this one is a nutshell why no pesticides or chemicals us and suitable for vegans. Wine what what did you think of it? Francois as I said, last night I really loved the winds from the the region wearing that's the the north of the could you on and these were the the the the Appalachian of this could you on It would yeah it was it was very, very good stuff. Once again, very high on our on alcohol in a little well, not dispute but the did this debate with one of our listeners about why At producers tend to raise the the the alkyl alcohol percentage these days never mind in this case. Once again, it was forty five persons edge, which is quite high, but you know it was very well made. You could. You could taste. The charm of the kagyu is grape CR cheer as in Australia. And you it was really really pure and fruity Shiro is in there plus I actually didn't look at the label, but there might have been of Ghana near I. Think he was mainly CR and that was very well made good on gook really good stuff and without any pesticides anything. So well, go for it. Good for you. Good for YEP. That was my verdict to fronts wife very nice. The the details of the various collections of wine curated by divine sellers are in the show notes, but just to go back to the bottle story before we move on. In terms of a ride of borrowing say for example, your teammates got three quarters of a beat on left in the age or covert. Are you allowed to pass onto another Reuter and same bubble? Aren't you? I mean if it's teammate? I. Guess You can't if it's wrapped in plastic thing. So you've got a a wipe the can wipe down the. I mean, we're all being very careful and we are I'm going through. Antibacterial wet wipes like there's no Tamar. Anyway. One of the thing that struck us today was the fact that. Grenadiers were. Looking like they're outselves a bit more was that by saying okay chaps after you we've had two stage wins in a row. You can. You can do the legwork today was the signs of a little bit more assertion and confident coming back to the team because Richard Cap with up there looking fine today in contrast to the way looked on me. Maleta little bit and. preps in the early days. So they they look up. Sort of starting to get into this tour well, yeah. Maybe we maybe we didn't realize how much actually civic coughs crash out our. Darius parental civic of crash affected the setup of. grinches in in in the first week maybe you know Richard Campus, at issues that we're not aware off but they look as you said, much more themselves because if you movies my kind of relaxing ended at an obviously, they did to decide not to take part in a rice. I mean, the big going forward I think in the Pyrenees especially on tearing the rubbish very well because he won in Las two years ago. So maybe they they a little bit. You would have expected the quickstep to take the reins or Mitch Allan Scott. Because of the Euro, Jersey and. We found ourselves oddly enough in a position with Inas. grinded, taking up the chase with with future colleague. Adam. Gates. Well, yeah. Again, the training behind it looked like we were watching the twenty twenty one to France at one point with the whole line there, and then Adam Yikes in yellow the back of the line I'm on I mean. As I. said we we didn't really give. A huge fanfare yesterday for taking the Yellow Jersey. A huge online. Did a you said Richard that his demeanor on the podium was a man who didn't look necessary procedures save is he was IBM. Yeah I'm. Having defended the jury for today for a day a legitimate, absolutely a legitimate thing now and well. We know he's leaving Michigan Scott we gather the strategy here is to go for state twin, but they're in the Yellow Jersey, Richard you spoke to white before the Tour de France as well and his comment about. Well, the question is how will everyone work for someone they knows leaving at the end of the year and his comment with well, it's just business expenses. And I think the you know they have a mutual interest and doing well automates wants to well. The team won want him to do and they want to do also. There's a mutual interest there nuts not going to stay in them and but yeah, I. Mean I think his demeanor will be different tonight on tomorrow because he's now. Not The eligibility by default he's illegitimate Yellow Jersey wearer. I was just going to say something on civic off because. You know we've been obviously following his progress very very closely. He's been keeping on Dr Been Really, great sending. Clips in every night and I remind myself that he was going to be their third writer here but really the third prong in behind Bernal and counterparts. So. An awful lot in any else grenadier game plan will change as a result of his crashes and. Getting all your diarrhea in from everyday reminds you of is not. Crashes are devastating for writers and they don't just crash and then carry on the same writer. It really affects their ability to recover sleep. And he keeps telling us how he's not at the same level as he wasn't doping and it's all because of his crashes on the first day and I think we sometimes overlook cloud and George Ban Heavy fallout day to I. Don't think he's quite at the level that he wants to be these things are hugely significant on not W-. I've just sent a message tonight just asking a by today and. Obviously, this show of of strength a little bit from the from his team What what came through it is responses that he he wasn't part that because he couldn't be part of the He said I haven't seen all the work and don't know exactly what I've been what's been done by the guys in front signs like they took over the race all the way in the final you know it's just they're not machines are they, and if they crash their consequences in the days and even weeks to come and it's even worse it's similar words when they crash, I mean just because what civic of Jus- just said you know? On top of the suffering the physical suffering, they also have the impression they're letting the team down and that there's a sense of guilt at times when you crash so. Just back to Adam Yates briefly before we wrap pop I mean he's kind of slightly in the shadow of Siamese because of Simon Eight, hundred, exploit Jiro, and then of well to win of course and to. The kind of the consolation prize I guess for Adam. Yikes. Since that fourth place in the tour in two thousand and sixteen because he's grand tour results have not been. Particularly Stellar since then you kind of move towards a one day rider a week long stage race writer. But it's interesting that. He's the one that's going to any grenadiers and not Simon Yates because if you think back to when they were both emerging, it was Simon who was taken on by the British cycling academy and Adam Yates who had to find his own way into the pro ranks with help from the day rain of fund a went to France to raise for a couple of clubs. I think it was warning and one in. vca Job says the same. INTOI. So. A Tube, a tube, which clubs sorry and Yeah. So he kind of came in that way and the two brothers have race together in. Between the two of them they kind of been one amazing run around ride hang yet. One of the other things that my wife said was when he was talking about being business, another business decision is to keep Simon unto focus on him because he he said he's become their talisman. Really he's the guy. You know it's marginal and it could it could change again. Because in the first year or so it lutely item was the guy instant for great things. Then Simon kind of. See saw Simon's kind of see tilted and Simon's favourite moment and it seems that the team has made a decision I think the resources are are fewer than they were and they've made a decision to concentrate on talking of coming of age I think it's a great decision. Or? A very interesting decision by both of them to pulse, you know to part ways to not to be in the same team for the first time in the pro career. It's fascinating what? Together yeah. You twins. Wall shops. Let's wrap up for tonight come soon tomorrow as a second installment of the diarist will hear. From Connor Swift to we've not heard from in the absence, but he's been sending loads of really great stuff. His First Tour de France he's writing Sarah can town, of course, Archea SAM sex. So Do Chin Dot Com two, zero sponsored by swift. Thank you very much indeed to them and thank you very much. Indeed Lionel. Thank you. See. The cycling gastropod diaries some really Michelle tune. Scott. Sam Beauty here again. Currently, sitting in an ice bath trying to recover the league's after what was a pretty tough day. Obviously we have the Yellow Jersey where we had the responsibility to to rather front today and do up defin- choosy. Obviously, having the jerseys. Like I said, you say it's huge huge little and. We want to keep cake debt Jersey today. So we wanted to make sure that we controlled to start as to be cooked side of the breakaway wasn't going to be too big. And it wasn't it was I. But I very, very strong ause. Obviously we had God's creeping up their loot. Cinco won the stage. A number of other straws. For us having having Greg, the was. The. scariest thing I guess you'd say. Three minutes down the general classification. So What's important? We keep the breakaway. Close. Enough that we were confident that when the when the say teams came at the end, the teams like and Jumbo? When they came on the climbs. Down at Tom would come down. Below three minutes. We we were happy for the bright win the stage today. There was no, there was no problem for us. The main thing is just making sure that Greg finished close enough to to the to the main bunch that we didn't lose a juicy to him. So. I mean for Long Day Long Dan the Front for Myself Crystal Johnson Jack Bauer. We spend the better part of. Hundred and fifty, one, hundred and sixty kyw on the front. Chai down like I. Say a really really strong group. So certainly wasn't an easy day by any means. But. It was a day that we were happy to get through and. Come out with allergies so so Onto tomorrow now. Interesting stage stage for sure tough star. Tighter it could be. Should be sprint. But also with with the stop being so tough could also be that was breakaway I gained. So whatever what's about us again at the start? And then take things from there. Hopefully that all that'll mean, that will be the allergies again this time tomorrow night so. Keep in touch.

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#207  Can We Pull Back From The Brink?

Making Sense with Sam Harris

1:52:44 hr | 4 months ago

#207 Can We Pull Back From The Brink?

"Ah! Welcome to the making sense podcast. This is Sam Harris. Okay. Well. I have been trying to gather my thoughts for this podcast for. More than a week and I've actually been unsure about whether to record it at all frankly. Mean conversations the only tool we have for making progress. I firmly believe that, but many of the things we most need to talk about. Seem impossible to talk about. And I think social media is a huge part of the problem. I have been saying for years now. That was social media. We've all been enrolled in a psychological experiment for which no one gave consent. And it's not clear how will turn out? and. It's still not clear. How will turn out, but? It's not looking good. It is fairly disorienting out there. All. Information has been weaponized. Communication has become performance live. And on the most important topics. It now seems to be fury and. sanctimony and bad faith. Almost all the time. We appear to be driving ourselves crazy. Actually crazy. As in incapable of coming into contact with reality. Unable to distinguish fact from fiction. And then becoming. destabilized. By our own powers of imagination. And confirmation bias. And then lashing out at one another on that basis. So I'd like to talk about the current moment. And the current social unrest. And it's possible political implications. And other cultural developments. and. Suggest what it might take to pull back from the brink here. And I'm going to circle in on the topics of police, violence and the problem of racism because. You know that really is at the center of this. And there's so much to talk about here. And it's difficult to talk about. And there's so much we don't know. Right and yet most people are behaving as though every important question. was answered a long time ago. I've been watching. Our country seemed to tear itself apart for weeks now. And perhaps lay the ground for something worse to come. And I've been resisting the temptation to say anything of substance. Not, because I haven't had anything to say, but. Because of my perception of the danger frankly. And if I feel that way. Given the pains I've taken to insulate myself against those kinds of concerns. I know that almost anyone with a public platform must be terrified. Journalists and editors and Gives celebrities. Everyone. has to be terrified that they might take a wrong step here. And never recover. And this is really unhealthy or not just for individuals, but for society. Because again. All we have between us and the total breakdown of civilization. Is a series of successful conversations. And if we can't reason with one another. There is no path forward. Right other than violence? Conversation or violence? So I'd like to talk about some of the things that concern me about our current state of communication. and. Unfortunately. Many things are compounding our problems at the moment. We have a global pandemic. which is still very much with us? And remains to be seen. How much are half-hearted lockdown? And our ineptitude intestine. And our uncoordinated re opening. And, now are plunge into social protests and civil unrest will cause the COVID nineteen case load to spike. We will definitely see. As many of pointed out the virus doesn't care about economics or politics. It only cares that. We keep breathing down each other's necks. And we've certainly been doing enough of that. Of course almost no one can think about covert nineteen now. I just like to point out that many of the costs. Of this pandemic. The knock on effects in the economy. And now. This protest movement. Many of these costs are hidden from us. In addition to killing more than a hundred thousand people in the US. The pandemic has been a massive opportunity cost. And the ongoing implosion of the economy he's imposing tangible effects of course but. It is also an opportunity cost. And now this civil unrest. And other recent events. Is, compounding these problems whatever the merits of the protests. Be, or will be. The opportunity costs of this moment. Are Staggering. In addition to all the tangible effects of what's happening the injury and death. The loss businesses. The burn buildings The neighborhoods that won't recover for years in many cities. The educations put on hold. And the breakdown in public trust. Of almost every institution. Pitch just think about all the good and important things we cannot do. CanNot even think of doing now. And perhaps won't contemplate doing for many years to come. Because, we'll be struggling to get back to that distant paradise. We once called normal life. Of course, normal life for many millions of Americans was nothing like a paradise. And the disparities in wealth and health and opportunity. We've gotten used to in this country. And it's so much of our politics and ways of doing business seemed to take for granted. Are just unconscionable. Right, there is no excuse for this kind of inequality in the richest country on earth. And what we're seeing now is clearly a response to that. But, it's a confused and confusing response. And worse, it's a response that is systematically silencing honest conversation. And this makes her dangerous. This isn't just politics and human suffering on display. Its philosophy. It's ideas about truth, and about what it means to say that something is true. For witnessing in our streets in online. And in the impossible conversations were attempting to have with one another in our private lives. Is a breakdown in piss demolishing. How does anyone figure out what's going on in the world? What is real? If we can't agree about what is real. Or likely to be real. We will never agree about how we should live together. And the problem is. We're stuck with one another. So what's happening here? Well. Again. It's hard to say. What is happening? When a police officer, a mayor takes a knee in front of a crowd of young people. Who have been berating him as a cog in the machinery of systemic racism. Is, this a profound moment of human bonding. Transcends politics. Or is it the precursor to the breakdown of society? Or is it both? Is Not entirely clear. And the most concrete terms what we're experiencing is widespread social unrest. In response to what is widely believed to be an epidemic of lethal police violence directed to the black community. By racist cops. And Racist Policies. And This unrest has drawn a counter response from law enforcement. Much of which ironically is guaranteed to exacerbate the problem of police violence. Both real and perceived. And many the videos. We've seen the police cracking down on peaceful protesters. Are Hideous. Some of this footage has been unbelievable. and. This is one of the many vicious circles. We have to find a way to interrupt. Again, there's so much to be confused about here. And we've seen endless video of police inflicting senseless violence on truly peaceful protesters. In it. We've also seen video of police. Standing idly by while looters completely destroy businesses. What explains this. Is there a policy that led to this bizarre inversion of priorities. Are the police angry protesters for vilifying them. And simultaneously trying to teach a lesson to the rest of society by letting crime and mayhem, just spread elsewhere in the city. Or just less risky to collide with peaceful protesters. Or is the whole spectacle itself ally. Rae, how? Are these videos of what is actually going on. Is there much less chaos actually occurring. Then is being advertised to us. Again is very hard to know. What's easy to know is that civil discourse has broken down. And it seems to me we've long been in a situation where the craziest voices on both ends of the political spectrum have been amplifying one another. And threatening to produce something truly dangerous. And now I think they have. The amount of misinformation in the air. The degree to which even serious people seem to be ruled by false assumptions. And non sequiturs. Is just astonishing. As important to keep in mind that with the presidential election coming in November. The stakes are really high. As most of you know, I consider four more years of trump to be an existential threat to our democracy. And I believe the last two weeks have been very good for him politically. Even when everything else has seemed to go very badly for him. I know the polls don't say this. A large majority of people seem to disapprove of his handling of the crisis so far. But I think we all know now to take polls with a grain of salt are there's a very real problem of preference falsification, especially in an environment of intense so pressure. People will often say what they think is politically acceptable. And then think or say or do. Something very different in private. Like when they're alone voting booth. Trump has presided over the complete dismantling of American. Influence in the world. And the destruction of our economy. I know the stock market has looked good, but. The stock market has become totally uncoupled from the economy right according to the stock market. The future is just as bright now. As. It was in January of this year. Before most of us had even heard of. A novel Corona Virus. That doesn't make a lot of sense. And a lot can happen in the next few months. Right? The last few weeks feel like a decade. And my concern is that if trump now guests to be the law and order president. That may be his path to re election. Such a path exists. Now, of course, this crisis has revealed yet again. Just how unfit he is to be president. Man The man could not strike a credible note of reconciliation if the fate of the country depended on it. And the fate of the country has depended on it. And I also think it's possible that these protests wouldn't even be happening. But for the fact that trump is president. Whether or not the problem of racism has actually gotten worse in our society. Having trump as president. Surely makes it seem like it has. It has been such a repudiation of the Obama presidency. For many people it has made. It seem that white supremacy is now ascendant. So. All the more reason to get rid of trump in November. But before this social unrest. Our focus was on how incompetent trump was in the face of the COVID nineteen pandemic. And now. He's been given a very different battle to fight. To battle, against left-wing Orthodoxy. which is growing more stifling by the minute? And civil unrest? Right and if our social order phrase sufficiently. Restoring, it will be the only thing that most people care about in November. We just think of what an act. Of domestic terrorism would do. Politically now. Things can change very very quickly. And to call a basic concern about law and order. Racist! Isn't going to wash. Now as I said. Trust in institutions has totally broken down. We've been under very precarious lockdown for more than three months. which almost the entire medical profession has insisted is necessary. Your doctor is in public health. Officials have castigated people on the political right for protesting this lockdown. People have been unable to be with their loved ones in their last hours of life. They've been unable to hold funerals for them. But now we have doctors and public health officials and news anchors. By the thousands. Signing Open Letters. Making public statements. Saying, it's fine to stand shoulder to shoulder with others. In the largest protests our nation has ever seen. The degree to which this has undermined confidence in public health message in. His heart to exaggerate. Whatever your politics! This has been just a mortifying piece of hypocrisy. especially so given, the pandemic has been hitting the African American community hardest of all. How many people will die because of these protests? It's a totally rational question to ask. But the question itself is taboo now. So. It seems to me that almost everything appears upside down at the moment. and. Before I get into the details of police violence, I just want to attempt to close the door to a few misunderstand. Let's start with the proximate cause of all this. The. Killing of George Floyd by the Minneapolis police. Now have a lot more to say about this in a minute, but. Nothing I say should detract from the following observation. That video was absolutely segmen. And it reveals a degree of police, negligence and incompetence. Callousness. That everyone was right to be horrified by. In particular, the actions of Derek Show Ven-. The Capo kept his knee on floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes. His actions were so reckless and so likely to cause harm. There's no question. He should be prosecuted. And he is being prosecuted. He's been indicted for second degree, murder and manslaughter. And I suspect he'll spend many many years in prison. And, this is not to say that the system is working right him is certainly seems possible that without that cell phone video. And the resulting public outrage. Shelving might have gotten away with it. Right to say nothing of the other cops who were with him, and who are now being prosecuted. And if this is true, we clearly need a better mechanism with which to police the police. So as I said I'm going to return to this topic because I think most people are drawing the wrong conclusions from this video and from videos like it. But. Let me just echo everyone's outrage over what happened, right? This is precisely the kind of police behavior. That everyone should find appoint. Now on the general topic of racism in America. I WanNa make a few similarly clear and preemptive statements. Racism is still a problem in American society. NO QUESTION! And Slavery, which was racism is most evil. Was this country's founding sin. And we should also add the near total eradication of the native Americans. To that ledger of evil. Any morally sane person who learned the details of these historic injustices. Finds them shocking. Whatever their race. And the legacy of these crimes. Crimes that were perpetrated for centuries. Remains a cause for serious moral concern today. I have no doubt about this. And nothing about to say should suggest otherwise. And I don't think it's an accident that the two groups just mentioned. African Americans and native Americans suffer the worst from inequality in America today. How could the history of racial discrimination in this country not have had lasting effects. Given the nature of that history. And, if anything good comes out of the current crisis. It will be because we managed to find a new commitment to reducing inequality in all of its dimensions. The, real debate to have is about how to do this. Economically and politically. But the status quo that many of us for granted. Is a betrayal of our values. Whether, we realize it or not. If, it's not a betrayal of your values now. It will be a betrayal of your values when you become a better person. And if you don't manage that. It will be a betrayal of your kids values when they're old enough to understand the world, they're living in the difference between very lucky in our society and very unlucky. Should not be enormous as it is. However, the question that interests me. Given, what has been true of the past? And what is now true of the present? Is What should we do next? What should we do to build a healthier society? What should we do next? Tomorrow next week. Now obviously I don't have the answers. But I'm very worried that many of the things we're doing now and seemed poised to do. Will only make our problems worse. And especially worried. That has become so difficult to talk about this. Right. I'm just trying to have conversations. I'm just trying to figure these things out in real time. With other people. And there is no question. That conversation itself has become dangerous. and think about the politics of this. Endless imagery of people burning and looting independent businesses. That were struggling to survive during this pandemic. and seeing the owners of these businesses beaten by mobs. CanNot be good for the cause of social justice. Looting and burning businesses and assaulting their owners isn't social justice. It isn't even social protest. It's crime. And having imagery of these crimes. That highlight black involvement circulate and on Fox News and on social media. CanNot be good for the black community. But it might yet be good for trump. And it could well kick open the door to a level of authoritarianism. That many of us who have been very worried about trump. Barely considered possible. It's always seems somewhat paranoid to me to wonder whether we're living in Weimar, Germany. Had many conversations about this I had Timothy Snyder on the podcast. And he's been worrying about the prospect of tyranny in the US for several years now. And I've known in the abstract, that democracies can destroy themselves. But the idea that it could happen. Here still seemed totally outlandish to me. It really doesn't anymore. Of course, what we've seen in the streets isn't just one thing. And some people are protesting for reasons I fully defend. Right. They're outraged by specific instances of police violence like the killing of George Floyd. And they're worried about creeping authoritarianism. which we really should be worried about now. And They're convinced that our politics is broken. Because it is broken. And they're deeply concerned that response to the pandemic. And to the implosion of our economy. Will do nothing to address the widening inequality in our society. And they recognize that we have a president who has an incompetent divisive conman. And A CRACKPOT At a time when we actually need wise leadership. All of that is hard to put on a sign. But. It's all worth protesting. However it seems to me that most protesters are seeing this moment. Almost exclusively through the lens of identity, politics. And racial identity politics in particular. And some of them are even celebrating the breakdown of law and order. or at least remaining non-judgmental about it. And you could see in the early days of this protest news anchors take that line on CNN for instance. Talking about the history of social protests, sometimes, it has to be violent, right. What do you think all these protests need to be nonviolent? When those words came out of. Chris? Mouth and Don Lemon's mouth. Many people have been circulating a half quote from Martin Luther King Junior. About riots being the language of the unheard. They're leaving out the part where he made it clear that he believed that riots harm the cause of the black community and helped the cause of racist. And they're now calls to de-fund and even to abolish the police. Now, this may be psychologically understandable when you've spent half the day on twitter watching videos of cops beating peaceful protesters. Those videos are infuriating. And I'll have a lot more to say about police violence in a minute. But if you think society without cops is a society you would want to live in. You have lost your mind. Giving him monopoly on violence to the state. His just about the best thing we have ever done as a species. It ranks right up there with keeping our shit out of our food. Having! A police force that can deter crime. And solve crimes one. They occur. And deliver violent criminals to a functioning justice system. Is the necessary precondition for almost anything else. We value in society. And, we need police reform. Of course right. There are serious questions to ask about the culture of policing. And its hiring practices and training. And the militarization of so many police forces. And outside oversight. and. How police departments deal with corruption the way the police unions keep bad cops on the job. And yes, the problem of racist cops. But. The idea that any serious person thinks that we can do without the police. Or the less trained and less vetted cops. Will magically be better than more trained and more vetted ones. This just reveals that our conversation on these topics has run completely off the rails. Yes, we should give more resources to community services. Sure we should have psychologists and social workers make first contact with the homeless where the mental Eeo. Perhaps we're giving cops jobs. They shouldn't be doing. All of that makes sense to rethink. But the idea. that. What we're witnessing now is. A matter of the cops being over resource that we've given them too much training. We've made the job to attractive so that the people were recruiting are of too high equality, right? That doesn't make any sense. And what's been alarming here is that we're seeing prominent people. In government in the media in Hollywood in sports. Speak and act as though the breakdown of civil society. And of society itself. is a form of progress. And any desire for law enforcement is itself. A form of racist oppression. At one point, the woman who's running the city council in Minneapolis, that just decided to abolish the police force. was asked by a journalist. I believe on CNN, well, what do I do if someone's breaking into my house in middle of the night? Who I call. Right! And Her first response to that question was. You need to recognize what a statement of privilege that question is. Now she had to walk that back. Because, it's one of the most. galling and embarrassing things, a public official has ever said. But this is how close the Democratic Party is. To sounded completely insane. You cannot say. That if someone's breaking into your house and you're terrified. And you want a police force that can respond. That that fear! Is a symptom of white privilege. That's where democratic politics goes to die. And again, what is alarming about this is that this woke analysis. Of the breakdown of law and order. Will only encourage an increasingly authoritarian response. And the acceptance of that response on the part of many millions of Americans. I mean if you step back from this, you will notice that there is a kind of ecstasy of ideological conformity in the air. And it's destroying institutions. is destroying the very institutions we rely on to get our information. Universities the press. I mean the New York Times in recent days. Seems to be preparing for a full self immolation. What's happened, is it no one wants to say or even think anything that makes anyone uncomfortable. Certainly not anyone who has more woke kness points than they do. Is just become too dangerous. I mean there are people being fired. For tweeting all lives matter. Hashtag all lives matter. In the current environment. Is being read as a naked declaration of white supremacy. Right that's how weird this moment is. A soccer player on the LA. Galaxy was fired for something. His wife tweeted. Of course, there are real problems of inequality and despair at the bottom of these protests. People have never found to secure satisfying place in the world. Or young people who fear they never will. People who've seen their economic prospects simply vanish. And people who had painful encounters with racism and racist cops. People by the millions are now surrendering themselves to a kind of religious awakening. But like most religious awakens. This movement is not showing itself eager to make honest contact with reality. And on top of that we find extraordinarily privileged people whatever the color of their skin. People who are living wonderful lives in gated communities or Fifth Avenue apartment. And who feel damn guilty about it? These people were also supporting this movement uncritically for many reasons. Of course they care about other people. And I'm sure most of them have the same concerns about inequality that I do. But they're also supporting this movement, because it promises an expiation of their sins. If you have millions of dollars and you shoot beau talks to your face. And you vacation on Saint Bart's. And you're a liberal. The, easiest way to sleep at night is to be as wokers AFC. And just like everything she tweets. Who Truth is, the problem isn't just with the looting and the arson and violence. There are problems with these peaceful protests themselves. Of course, not questioning anyone's right to protest. Even deranged president can pay lip service to that right. which she did is the D. C.. Police were violently dispersing peaceful protests. So that he could get his picture taken in front of that Church awkwardly holding a Bible as though he had never held a book in his life. The problem with the protests is that they are animated to a remarkable degree. By confusion and misinformation. and. I'll explain why I think that's the case. And of course this will be controversial. And needless to say, many people consider the color of my skin to be disqualified line here. I could have invited any number of great black intellectuals onto this podcast to make these points for me. But that struck me as a form of cowardice. Glenn Lowry John mcwhirter Thomas Chatterton Williams Coleman Hughes Camille Foster. These guys might not agree with everything I'm about to say. But any one of them could walk the tightrope. I'm now stepping out on far more credibly than I can. But you see that's part of the problem. The perception that the color of a person's skin. Or even his life experience. Matters. For this discussion. is a pernicious illusion. For the discussion we really need to have. The color of a person's skin. And even his life experience. Simply does not matter. It cannot matter. We have to break the spell, but the politics of identity has cast over everything. Okay As I've already acknowledged, there is a legacy of racism in the United. States. That we are still struggling to outgrow. That is obvious. There are real racists out there. And there are ways in which racism became institutionalized along time ago. Many of you will remember the during the crack epidemic. The penalties for crack and powder. Cocaine were quite different. In this led black drug offenders to be locked up for much longer than white ones. Now whether the motivation for that policy was consciously racist or not I don't know. But, it was effectively resist. Nothing about to say entails denial of these sorts of facts. There just seems to be no question that boys who grow up with their fathers and prison. Start Life with a significant strike against them. So criminal justice reform. is absolutely essential. And I'm not denying that many black people perhaps most. Have had interactions with cops. And other people in positions of, power. or even random, strangers. That seem on ambiguously racist. Sometimes this is because they're actually in the presence of racism. And perhaps sometimes it only seems that way. I've had unpleasant encounters with cops. And Customs officers. And Tsa Screeners And bureaucrats of every kind. And even with people in stores or restaurants, right people aren't always nice or ethical. But being, White. And living in a majority White Society I've never had to worry about whether any of these collisions with the result of racism. And I can well imagine that in some of these situations and I've been black. I would have come away feeling. That I encountered another racist in the wild. So I consider myself very lucky to have gone through life, not having to think about any of that. Surely that is one form of white privilege. So nothing I'm about to say denies that we should condemn racism whether interpersonal institutional wherever we find it. But as science. We simply can't afford to find and condemn racism where it doesn't exist. and. We should be increasingly aware of the costs of doing that. The more progress. We make issues of race. The less racism there will be to find. And the more likely will be to find ourselves merely chasing after it's ghost. And the truth is we have made considerable progress on the problem of racism in America. And this isn't nineteen twenty. And, it isn't nineteen sixty. We headed to term president. We have black congressmen and women. We have black mayors and black chiefs of Police. Their major cities like Detroit and Atlanta. Going on their fifth or sixth consecutive black mayor. Having more black people in positions of real power in what is still a majority white society. Is Progress on the problem of racism. And the truth is, it might not even solve the problem we're talking about. When Freddie Gray was killed in Baltimore. Virtually everyone who could have been held accountable for his death. Was Black. The problem police misconduct and reform is complicated as we're about to see. But obviously, there's more work to do on the problem of racism. And more important. There is much more work to do to remedy the inequalities in our society there so correlated with race. And will still be correlated with raise even after the last racist has been driven from our shores. The question of how much of today's inequality is due to existing racism. Whether racist people are racist policies. Is a genuinely difficult question to answer. And to answer it, we need to distinguish the past from the present. Take, wealth inequality for example. The median white family has a net worth of around one hundred seventy thousand dollars. These data a couple years old, but I think they're pretty close to what's true now. The median black family has a net worth of around seventeen thousand dollars. So we have a ten fold. In median wealth. S The median, not the mean, so half of white families are below one hundred seventy thousand dollars and half above. Half of black families, or below seventeen thousand dollars and half above. And we're talking about wealth here, not income. and. This disparity in wealth persists even for people whose incomes are in the top ten percent of the income distribution. For whites in the top ten percent for income, the median net worth is one point eight million dollars. For Blacks. It's around three hundred fifty thousand dollars. Now there are probably many things that account for this disparity in wealth. It seems that black families who make into the top ten percent of the distribution fall out more easily than white families do. But. It's also undeniable that black families have less intergenerational wealth accumulated through inheritance. Now. How much of this inequality is due to the legacy of slavery? and. How much of it is due to the ensuing century of racist policies? I'm prepared to think quite a lot. And it strikes me as totally legitimate to think about pain reparations as a possible remedy here. Of course one will then need to talk about reparations for the native Americans. And then one wonders where all this ends. Right. And what about blacks aren't descended from slaves, but who still suffered some consequences of racism? In listening to people like John mcwhirter and Coleman Hughes discussed this topic. A McLean to the reparations is probably unworkable as a policy. But the truth is genuinely unsure about this. Whatever we decide about the specific burdens of the past. We have to ask. How much of current wealth inequality. is due to existing racism. Into existing policies that make it harder for black families to build wealth. And the only way to get answers to those questions is to have a dispassionate discussion about facts. And the problem with the social activism. We're now seeing. What John mcwhirter calls the new religion of anti-racism. Is that it finds racism nearly everywhere. Even where it manifestly does not exist. And this is incredibly damaging to the cause of achieving real equality in our society. M-, it's almost impossible to exaggerate the evil and injustice of slavery. And its aftermath. But it is possible to exaggerate helmets. Racism currently exists at an Ivy League University. or in Silicon Valley. Or at the Oscars. And those exaggerations are toxic. And perversely. They may produce more real racism. It seems to me that false claims of victimhood can diminish the social stature of any group. Even a group that has a long history real victimization. The imprecision here. The band faith arguments. The double standards. The goal post shifting the idiotic opinion pieces in the New York. Times! The defenestration on social media. The general hysteria. That, the cult of woke kness has produced. I think this is all extremely harmful to civil society. and to effective liberal politics. End To the welfare of African Americans. So with that preamble. Let's return to the tragic death of George Floyd. As I said I believe that any sane person who watches video. will feel that they have witnessed a totally unjustified killing. So people of any race are right to be horrified by what happened there. But now I want to ask a few questions. And I want us to try to consider them dispassionately. And I really want you to watch your mind while you do this. They're very likely if you trip wires installed there. And I'm about to hit some of them. Just, do your best to remain calm. Does the killing George Floyd prove that we have a problem of racism in the United States. Does it even suggest that we have a problem of racism in the United States. In, other words do have reason to believe. That had floyd been white. He wouldn't have died in a similar way. Do the dozen or so other videos that have emerged in recent years, a black man being killed by cops. Do, they prove or even suggest. That there is an epidemic of lethal police violence. Directed especially at black men? And that this violence is motivated by racism. Now most people seem to think of the answers to these questions. Are So obvious. That even to pose them as I just did. Is Obscene. And the answer is yes. And yes, that now needs to be shouted in the streets. The problem however is that if you take. Even five minutes. To look data on crime and police violence. The answer really appears to be no. In every case. Albeit with one important caveat. I'm not talking about how the police behaved in Nineteen, seventy or even nine hundred ninety. But in the last twenty five years. Violent crime has come down significantly in the US. And, so has the police use of deadly force? As you're bound to see the police use more deadly force against white people, both in terms of absolute numbers end in terms of their contribution to crime and violence in our society. But the public perception. Is! Of course completely different. Me In a city like Los Angeles. Twenty nineteen was a thirty year low for police shootings. Think about that. To the people who were protesting in Los Angeles. Peacefully and violently. Do the people who are ransacking and burning businesses by the hundreds. In many cases businesses that will not return to their neighborhoods. To the people who caused so much damage to the city. That certain neighborhoods. Will take years and probably decades to recover. To the celebrities who supported them and even bail them out of jail. To any of these people know that twenty nineteen was the thirty year low for police shootings in Los Angeles. Before a step further out over the abyss here. Let me reiterate. Many of you are going to feel a visceral negative reaction. To what I'm about to say. You're not gonNA like the way it sounds. Your especially not going to like the way it sounds coming from a white guy. This feeling of not liking. This feeling of outrage. This feeling of disgust. This feeling of Sam what the Fuck is wrong with you. Why are you even touching this topic? This feeling isn't an argument. It isn't or shouldn't be. The basis for your believing anything to be true or false about the world. Your capacity to be offended. Isn't something that I or anyone else needs to respect. Your capacity to be offended. Isn't something that you should respect. In fact it's something that you should be on your guard for. Perhaps more than any other property of your mind. This feeling can mislead you. If you care about justice. And you absolutely should. You should care about facts. And the ability to discuss them openly. Justice requires contact with reality. His simply isn't the case. If cannot be the case. That the most pressing claims on our sense of justice need come from those who claim to be most offended by conversation itself. Some GONNA speak in the language of facts now insofar as we know them. All the while knowing that these facts run very much counter to most people's assumptions. Many of the things you think you know about crime and violence. In our society. Are Almost certainly wrong. And that should matter to you. So just take a moment to think this through with me. How many people are killed each year in America by COPS? If you don't know, guess, see if you have any intuition for numbers. Because your intuitions determine how you interpret horrific videos of the sort. We saw coming out of Minneapolis. The answer for many years running is about one thousand. K. One. Thousand people are killed by cops in America each year. They're about fifty sixty million encounters between civilians and cops each year, and about ten million arrests. That's down from a high of over fourteen million arrests annually through the nineties. So of the ten million occasions. Or person attracts the attention of the police. And the police designed to make an arrest about one thousand of those people die as a result. I'm sure people get killed when there's no arrest attempted, but has to be a truly tiny number. So without knowing anything else about the situation if the cops decide to arrest you. It is reasonable to thank. Your chance of dying is around one in ten thousand. Now of course in the United States it's higher than it is in other countries. So I'm not saying this number. Is Acceptable. But. It is what it is for reasons as we're about to see. Now. There are few generic points. I WANNA make before we get further into these data. And they should be uncontroversial. I is almost certainly the case. That of these one thousand officer caused deaths each year. Some are entirely justified. Right it may be true that most are entirely justified. And some are entirely unjustified. And some are much harder to judge. And that will be next year and the year after that. Of the unjustified killings. There are vast differences between them. Many have nothing in common, but for the fact that a cop killed someone unnecessarily. Might have been a terrible misunderstanding. Or incompetence. Or just bad luck. In certain cases, it could be a cop who decides to murder someone because he's become enraged. Or just a psychopath. Right and it is certainly possible that racial bias accounts for some number of these unjustified killings. Another point that should be uncontroversial. But may sound a little tone deaf in the current environment. After. We've been inundated with videos of police violence in response to these protests. But. This has to be acknowledged whenever discussing this topic. Cops have a very hard job. In fact in the current environment. They have an almost impossible job. If you're making, ten. MILLION, arrests every year. Some number of people will decide not to cooperate. There are many reasons for this. Person could be mentally ill or drunk. Or on drugs. And, of course, rather often, the person is an actual criminal who simply doesn't want to be arrested. In among innocent people. And perhaps is getting more common these days. A person might feel that. Resisting arrest is the right thing to do. Ethically or politically? Or perhaps as a matter of affirming his identity. Math role put yourself in his shoes. He did nothing wrong. Right. Why are the cops arresting him? I don't know if we have data on the numbers of people who resist arrest by race. But I can well imagine that if it's common for African Americans to believe that the only reason they have been singled out for arrest is due to racism on the part of the police. That could lead to greater levels of non-compliance. which seems very likely to lead to more unnecessary injury and death? And this is certainly one reason why it's wise to have the racial composition of a police force mirror that of the community policing. Now. Unfortunately, there's no evidence that this reduces lethal violence from the side of the police. In fact, the evidence we have. Suggests that Black and Hispanic? COPS are more likely to shoot black and Hispanic, suspects than white cops are. But it would surely change the perception of the community that racism is likely explanation for police behavior. which itself might reduce conflict. No when a cop goes hands on a person in an attempt to control his movements or make an arrest. THAT PERSON'S RESISTANCE Poses a problem. That most people don't seem to understand. If. You haven't studied this topic. If, you don't know what a physically takes to restrain and immobilize a noncompliant person. Who may be bigger and stronger than you are. And if you haven't thought through the implications of having a gun on your belt when attempting to do that. A gun that can be grabbed and used against you organised a member of the public. Then your intuitions about what makes sense here tactically and ethically. Or very likely to be bad. If you haven't trained with firearms under stress. If you don't know how suddenly, situations can change if you haven't experienced how quickly another person can close the distance on you and how little time you have to decide to draw your weapon. If you don't know how hard it is to shoot a moving target. or even a stationary one. When your heart is beating out of your chest. You're likely have totally unreasonable ideas about what we can expect from cops in situations like these. And there's another fact that looms over all this like the angel of death. Literally. Most cops do not get the training they need. They don't get the hand to hand training they need. They don't have good skills with which to subdue people without harming them. All you need to do is watch youtube videos of botched arrests to see this. The Martial Arts Community stands in perpetual astonishment at the kinds of things. COPS DO and failed to do once. They start fighting suspects. And Cops don't get the firearms training they need. Of course, many police departments had elite units. But. Most cops don't have the training need to do the job they're being asked to do. It's also true. No doubt that some cops are racist bullies. And they're corrupt police departments, they cover for these guys and cover up police misconduct, generally whether it's born of racism or not. But the truth is that even if we got rid of all the bad cops which we absolutely should do. And there were only good people left, and we got all these good people, the best possible training and we give them the best culture in which think about their role in society. And we gave them the best methods for de escalating potentially violent situations. which we absolutely must do. And we scrubbed all the dumb laws from our books so that when cops were required to enforce the law. They were only risking their lives and the lives of civilians for reasons that we deem just and necessary. So. The war on drugs is obviously over. Even under these conditions of perfect progress. We are still guaranteed to have some number of cases each year. Where cop kills US civilian in a way. That is totally unjustified. And therefore tragic. Every year there will be some number of families who will be able to say that. The cops killed their son. Or daughter. Or father. Or mother. Or brother or sister. And videos of these killings will occasionally surface. And they will be horrific. This seems guaranteed to happen. So while we need to make all these improvements. We still need to understand. They're very likely always going to be videos. Of Cops, doing something he inexplicable or inexplicably stupid. That results in an innocent persons death. Or so innocent persons death. And sometimes the COP will be white, and the victim will be black. We have ten million arrests. Each year And, we now live in a panopticon were practically. Everything is videotaped. Now in better, get further into the details of what we know about police violence, but I wanted just put it to you now. If we're going to let the health of race relations in this country or the relationship between the community and the police depend on whether we ever see a terrible video of police misconduct again. The project of healing these wounds in our society. Is doomed. Me about a week into these protests I heard van. Jones on CNN say. If we see one more video of a cop brutalizing a black man. This country could go over the edge. There he said this. Not, as an indication of how dangerously inflamed people have become, he seemed to be saying that as an ultimatum to the police. With ten million arrests eight year. Arrests that have to take place in the most highly society in the developed world. I hope you understand how unreasonable that ultimatum is. We have to put these videos into context. And we have to acknowledge how different they are from one another. They, some of them are easy to interpret. But. Some are quite obviously being interpreted incorrectly by most people. especially by activists. And there are a range of cases of some have video associated with them, and some. Don't that are now. Part of a litany of anti racist outrage. And the names of the dead, her intoned is that they were all evidence of the same injustice. And yet they are not. Walter Scott was stopped for a broken tail light. And he got out of his car and tried to flee. There might have been a brief struggle over the officer's Taser. That part of the video is clear. But what is clear is that he was shot in the back multiple times as he was running away. That was insane. There was zero reason for the comp to feel the his life was under threat at that moment, and for that unjustified shooting, he was sentenced to twenty years in prison. I'm not sure that was long enough actually seemed like straight up murder to me. George Floyd Video. While even more disturbing to watch. Is Harder to interpret. I don't know anything about Derek Shelvin, the Chiampou knelt on his neck. Is quite possible. He's a terrible person who should have never been a cop. It seems to have a significant number of complaints against him. Those as I know. The details of those complaints haven't been released. And, he might be a racist on top of being a bad cop. Or might be a guy who was totally in over his head. And Thought You could restrain someone indefinitely by keeping a knee on their neck. I don't know. I'm sure more facts will come out. But whoever he is. I find it very unlikely that he was intending to kill George Floyd. Think about it. He was surrounded by irate witnesses and being filmed. Unless, he was aspiring to become the most notorious murderer in human history. It seems very unlikely he was intending to commit murder in that moment. Is Possible of course, but it doesn't seem like the likeliest explanation for his behavior. What I believe we saw that video. Was the result of tragic level of negligence and poor training on the part of those cops. or terrible recruitment raise possible. None of these guys should have ever been cops. I think one of them. It was only as fourth day on the job. Just imagine that. Imagine all the things. You don't know when you're in new COBB. And it could also a function of bad luck in terms of Floyd's underlying health. It was reported that he was complaining about being unable to breathe even before Chauve and pinned him with his knee. And the truth is neon. His neck might not have been the only thing that caused his death. Ray could have been the weight of the other officer pinning him down. This is almost certainly what happened in the case of Eric Garner. Is seems that half the people on Earth believe they witnessed a cop. Choke Eric Garner to death in that video. That does not appear to be what happened. Here, when Eric Garner is saying I can't breathe. He's not being choked. He's being held down on the pavement by several officers. Now being forced down on your stomach under the weight of several people can kill a person or especially someone with longer heart disease. In the case of Eric Garner, it is absolutely clear that the COP who briefly attempted to choke him. was no longer choking him. If you doubt that. Watch the video again. And if you are recoiling now from my interpretation of these videos. You really should watch the video that shows the killing of Tony Tempa. is also terribly disturbing. But removes the variable of race, and it removes any implication of intent to harm on the part of the cops about as clearly as you could ask. It really is worth watching as a corrective to our natural interpretation of these other videos. No Tony. Temple was a white man in Dallas. Who suffering some mental health emergency and I think cocaine intoxication. And he actually called nine one one himself. And what we see is the body cam footage from the police. Which shows he was already in handcuffs when they arrived security guard had cuffed him. And then the COPS TAKEOVER! and. They restrained TEMPA on the ground by rolling him onto his stomach and putting their weight on him. Very much like in the case of Eric Garner. And they keep their weight on him. One COP is a neon his upper back. which is definitely much less aggressive than a knee on the neck? But. They crush the life out of him all the same over the course of thirteen minutes. He's not being choked. The cops are not being rough. There's no animus between them and TEMPA. It was not a hostile arrest. They clearly believe they're responding to a mental health emergency, but they keep him down on his belly under their weight. And they're cracking jokes as he loses consciousness. Now your knowledge that he's going to be dead by the end of this video makes jokes same pretty callous, but the truth is. This was about as benign imposition of forced by the cops. As you're going to see. And the crucial insight you'll have watching this video is that the officer is not only had no intent to kill Tony Temper. They. Don't take his pleading seriously. Because, they have no doubt that what they're doing is perfectly safe. Perfectly within protocol. They've probably done this a hundred times before. Now if you watch that video. And again fair warning is disturbing. But. Imagine how disturbing it would have been. To our society. If Tony TEMPA had been black. If the only thing you changed about the video was the color of tempests skin. Then video would have detonated a nuclear bomb in our society, exactly as the George Floyd video did. In fact in one way, it is worse. Or would have been perceived to be worse. I mean just imagine white cops telling jokes as they crush the life out of a black Tony Temper. Given the nature of our conversation about violence. Given the way we perceive videos of this kind. There is no way. People would have seen that as anything other. Than a lynching! And it would not have been a lynching. Now I obviously have no idea what was in the minds of the cops in. Minneapolis. And, perhaps we'll learn more at trial, and perhaps it'll be a tape of show van, using the N. Word in another context, and that'll bring a credible allegations of racism into the case. And it seems to me that show. Vin is going to have a very hard time making sense of his behavior. But most people who saw that video believe they have witnessed with their own is beyond any possibility of doubt, a racist Cobb intentionally murder an innocent man. That's not with video necessarily shows. As I said these videos can be hard to interpret. Even while seem very easy to interpret. And these cases whether they have associated video or not. Are Very different. The Michael Brown is reported to have punched a cop in the face and attempted to get his gun. As far as I know, there's no video of that encounter. But if true, that isn't entirely different situation. If, you're attacking a cop. Trying to his gun. That is a life and death struggle almost by definition for the COP. And in most cases, it will justify a lethal use of force. and honestly it seems that no one within a thousand miles of black lives. Matter is willing to make these distinctions. An attitude of anti-racist moral outrage. Is simply not the best lens through which to interpret evidence of police misconduct. I've seen many videos of people getting arrested and I've seen the outrage public reaction to what appears to be the inappropriate use of force by the cops. One overwhelming fact that comes through. Is that people whatever the color of their skin? Don't understand how to behave around cops so to keep himself safe. People have to stop resisting arrest. This may seem obvious. But judging from most of these videos. And from the public reaction to them. This must be totally arcane piece of information. When a COP wants to take you into custody. You don't get to decide whether or not you should be arrested. When a COP wants to take you into custody, for whatever reason. It's not negotiating. And if you turn it into a wrestling match. You're very likely to get injured or killed. This point that I once belabored in a podcast with Glenn lowry. And essentially, it became a public service announcement. Have Gone Back in listened to those comments and I WANNA. Repeat them here. This is something that everyone really needs to understand. And, it's something that black lives matter should be teaching explicitly. If you put your hands on a cop. If you start wrestling with a cop or grabbing him because he's arrested in your friend. or pushing him or striking him. Or, using your hands in a way that can possibly be interpreted as you're reaching for a gun. You are likely to shot. In the United States. Right whatever the color of your skin! As I said when you're the COP, there is always a gun out in the open. And, any physical struggle has to be perceived by him as a fight for the gun. A COP doesn't know what you're going to do. If you overpower him, so he has to assume the worst. And most cops are not confident in their ability to physically control a person. For good reason because they're not very well trained to do that. And they're continually confronting people who are bigger or younger or more, athletic or more aggressive than they are. COPS are not superheroes. Their ordinary people with insufficient training. And wants things turned physical. They can't afford to give a person who is now assaulting a police officer the benefit of the doubt. And, this is something that people seem totally confused about. If, they see a video of someone fighting with a cop. And punching him or her in the face, right? And the person armed. Many people think the cop should just punchbag. And at any use of deadly force. At that point. would be totally disproportionate. But that's not how violence works. Right it's not the cops job to be. The best bare knuckled boxer on earth so that he doesn't have to use his gun. A COP can't risk getting repeatedly hit in the face and knocked out because there's always a gun in play. Price, so this is the cops perception of the world, and it's a justifiable one given the dynamics of human violence. Now, you might think that cops shouldn't carry guns right? Why can't we just be like England? And that's a point that can be debated. But. It requires considerable thought in a country where there over three hundred million guns in circulation. The United States is not England. Again really focus on what is happening when a cop is attempting to arrest a person. It's not up to you to decide whether or not you should be arrested. And does it matter that you know that you didn't do anything wrong? No! and. How could that fact be effectively communicated in the moment by? You're not following police commands. I'm going to ask that again. How could the fact that you're innocent? That you're not a threat to the COP. that. You're not about to suddenly attack him. Or produce a weapon of your own. How could those things be effectively communicated? Moment, he's attempting to arrest you. Buy Your resisting arrest? And unless you call the COPS, yourself You never really know what situation you're in. If I'm walking down the street. I. Don't know if a cop who's approaching me didn't just get a call at some guy looks like Ben Stiller just committed an armed robbery. Me? I know I didn't do anything. I know that I'm mystified. As to why the COP is paying attention to me at that moment, but I don't know what's in the cops head. The time to find out what's going on the time to complain about racist cops, the time to scream at them and tell them they're all going to get fired for their stupidity and misconduct is after cooperating at the police station in the presence of a lawyer preferably. But to not comply in the heat of the moment when a guy with a gun is issuing commands, this raises your risk astronomically. And something that most people it seems just to not intuitively understand. Even when they're not in the heat of the moment themselves. But just watching video of other people getting arrested. Okay end of public service announcement. The main problem with using individual cases where black men and women have been killed by cops to conclude that there's an epidemic of racist police. Violence in our society is that you can find nearly identical cases of white suspects being killed by cops. And there are actually more of them. In Two Thousand Sixteen John, Warner wrote a piece for Time magazine about this. And here's a snippet of what he wrote. Quote. The heart of the indignation over these murders is a conviction that racist bias plays a decisive part in these encounters. That seem plausible to me and I've recently challenged. Those who disagree to present a list of white people killed within the past few years under circumstances similar to those that so enrages in cases such as what happened to Mir Rice John Crawford Walter. Scott Sam Dubose and others. and quote. So mcwhorter issued that challenge as he said and he was presented with the cases. But there's no song about these people admonishing us to say their names. And the list of white names is longer. And I don't know any of them right other than Tony Tempa. I know the black names. In addition to the ones I just read from mcquarters article. I know the names of Eric Garner and Michael, Brown? And Elton Sterling, and for Llandough Casteel. And now of course, I know the name of George Floyd. Am aware of many of the details of these cases where black men and women have been killed by cops. I know the name of Brianna Taylor. I can't name a single white person killed by cops in circumstances like these. Other than TEMPA. And I just read mcquarters article where he lists many of them. So, this is also a distortion in the media. Right? The media is not showing us. Videos of white. People being. Killed, by COPS. Activists are not demanding that they do this. Right. I'm sure white supremacists talk about this stuff a lot. Who knows. But. In terms of the story were telling ourselves in the mainstream were not actually talking about the data on lethal police violence. So back to the data. Again cops killer two thousand people every year in the United, states. About twenty. Five percent are black. About fifty percent or white. Now the data on police homicide are all over the place. The federal government does not have a single repository for data of this kind. But they've been pretty carefully tracked by outside sources like The Washington, Post. At least for the last five years or so. And this ratio between black and white appears stable. Over time. And again many of these killings are justifiable, right? We're talking about career criminals who are usually armed and in many cases trying to kill the cops. Those aren't the cases were worried about? Worried about the unjustified homicides. Now some people will think these numbers still represent an outrageous injustice. After all African Americans are only thirteen percent of the population. So it most they should be thirteen percent of the victims of police violence, not twenty five percent. And any departure from the baseline population must be due to racism. Okay well. That sounds plausible, but consider a few more facts. Blacks are thirteen percent of the population. But. They commit at least fifty percent of the murders and other violent crimes. If you have thirteen percent of the population. Responsible for fifty percent of the murders. And in some committing two thirds of all violent crime. What percent of police attention should it attract? I? Honestly don't know. But I'm pretty sure it's not just thirteen percent. And given the overwhelming majority of their victims are black. I'm pretty sure that most black people wouldn't set the dial at thirteen percent either. And here we arrive somewhere near the core of the problem, the story of crime in America. Is overwhelmingly the story of black on black crime. He has also in part a story of black on white crime. But for more than a generation, it really has not been much of a story of white on black crime. Now, the murder rate has come down steadily since nineteen, ninety hundred with only minor upticks. But. Nationwide blacks are six times more likely to get murdered than whites. And some cities, their risk is double that. And around ninety five percent of these murders. Are committed by members of the African American community. The weekend these protests and riots were kicking off. When our entire country seemed to be tearing itself apart. Over a perceived epidemic of racist police violence against the black community. Ninety two people were shot. And Twenty seven killed. In Chicago alone right one city. This is almost entirely a story of black men killing members of their own community. And, this type of violence is far more representative of the kind of violence. The black community needs to worry about. And ironically it's clear that one remedy for this violence would be effective policing. Now these are simply the facts of crime in our society as best we understand them. And the police have to figure out how to respond to these facts professionally and ethically. And the question is. Are they doing that? And obviously there's considerable doubt that they're doing that professionally and ethically. But Roland Fryer the Harvard economists whose work wants discussed with? Glenn lowry on the PODCAST. He studied police encounters involved in black and white suspects and the use of force. His paper is titled. This is from twenty, sixteen and Empirical Analysis of racial differences in police use of force. And is black. And he went into this research with the expectation. That, the data would confirm that there's an epidemic of lethal police violence directed against black men especially. But he didn't find that. How did find support for the idea that black people suffer more non lethal violence at the hands of cops than whites do. So, let's look at this. The examined data from ten major police departments. In Texas Florida and California. Generally fryer found that there's a twenty five percent greater likelihood that the police would go hands on black suspects than white ones. Cuffing them or forcing them to the ground. Or using other lethal force. Specifically in new? York City in encounters where black and white citizens were matched for other characteristics. They found that cops were seventeen percent more likely to go hands on black suspects. Eighteen percent more likely to push them into a wall. Sixteen percent more likely to put them in handcuffs in a situation where they weren't being arrested. Eighteen percent more likely to push them to the ground. Twenty five percent, more likely to use pepper, spray or a baton. Nineteen percent more likely to draw their guns. And twenty four percent more likely to point a gun at them. So this is more or less the full continuum of violence short of using lethal force. And it seems based on the data. We have that blacks received more of it than whites. So, what accounts for this disparity? Racism. Maybe. However as I said, it's inconvenient to note from other data that suggests that black cobs and Hispanic cops. Are More likely to shoot black and Hispanic suspects than white cops are. I'm not sure how an ambient level of racism explains that. Are there other explanations. Well again, it could be that blacks are less cooperative with the police. And if so, this would be worth understanding a culture of resisting arrest. would be a very bad thing to cultivate. Given that the only response to such resistance his for the police to increase their use of force. Now, whatever is true here? Is something that we should want understand. And it's all too easy to see how an increased number of encounters with cops. Due to their policing in the highest crime neighborhoods. which are disproportionately black? And an increase number of stops in those neighborhoods. And an increased propensity for cops to go hands on these suspects wither without an arrest for whatever reason is easy to see. How all of this could be the basis for a perception of racism? Whether or not, racism is the underlying motive. And it's totally humiliating to be arrested or manhandled by COP. And given the level of crime in the black community. It seems that a disproportionate number of innocent black men are guaranteed to have this experience right, and it's totally understandable that this would make them bitter and mistrustful of the police. This is another vicious circle. We have to find some way to interrupt. But Friar also found that black suspects around twenty five percent less likely to be shot than white suspects are. And in the most egregious situations where an officer was not I attacked, but nevertheless his weapon at a suspect. The police seem more likely to do this when the suspect is white. Again these data are incomplete. This doesn't cover every city in the country and a larger study. Tomorrow might paint a different picture. But as far as I know, the best data we have suggests that for whatever reason. Whites are more likely to be killed by. Cops wants an arrest as attempted. And more reason studying the proceedings of the National Academy, of Sciences by David Johnson and colleagues found similar results. And given the data we have. It seems undeniable that more whites are killed by cops each year again, both in absolute numbers, and in proportion to their contributions to crime and violence in our society. Can you hear how these facts should be grinding in that well oiled machine of woke outrage? Our Society is in serious trouble now. We're being crushed under the weight of a global pandemic. In our response to it has been totally inept. And on top of that. Were now being squeezed by the growing pressure of what might become a full-on economic depression. And? The streets are now filled with people who imagine on the basis of seen several horrific videos that there is an epidemic of a racist cops murdering African Americans. Look at what this belief. Is doing to our politics. And these videos will keep coming. And the truth is they could probably be matched to for one with videos of white people being killed by COPS. What percentage of people protesting? Understand that the disparity runs this way. In light of the belief that the data run the other way, people are now quite happy to risk getting beaten and arrested by cops themselves right and even loot and burn businesses. And most people and institutions or supporting the civil unrest from the sidelines because they to imagine. That cops killing black people in extraordinary numbers. And all of this has calling forth response from trump. And leading to more examples of police violence caught on video. Now as I hope I've made clear. We need police reform right? There's no question about this. And some of the recent footage of the police, attacking the peaceful protests is totally outrageous. Nothing I just said should signify that I'm unaware of that. From what I've seen? And again by the time, I released this podcast. The character of this might have changed somewhat, but. From what I've seen. The police were dangerously passive in the face of looting and real crime lease in the beginning. I mean in many cities. They just stood by and watched society unravel, and then they were far too aggressive in the face of genuinely peaceful protest. This is a terrible combination. He does the worst combination and there is no better way. To increase cynicism and anger and fear on all sides. But racial racialism. How we speak about the problem of police violence. Where race isn't actually the relevant variable. Again think Tony Tempa. This has highly negative effects. A I, it keeps us from talking about the real problems with police tactics. For instance you take the recent case of Brianna Taylor. who was killed in a so called no knock rate of her home. Has Occasionally happens in this carnival of moral error. We call the war on drugs. The police had the wrong address and they kicked in the wrong door. And they wound up killing a totally innocent woman. But. The truth is this had nothing to do with race? The problem is not as some commentators have alleged that it's not safe to be sleeping, won't black? The problem is that these no knock. Raids are an obscenely dangerous way of enforcing despicably stupid laws. White, people die under precisely these same circumstances and very likely in greater numbers I don't have data specifically on no knock raids, but we can assume the ratio is probably conserved here. I mean just think about how crazy this policy is in a nation where gun ownership is so widespread. Myth someone kissing your door in the middle of the night. And you're a gun owner. Of course you're going to reach for your gun. Right, that's why you have a gun in the first place. And the fact that someone bearing down on you and your family out of the darkness might have yelled police. Or might have not yield police. This alleged in some of these cases that they don't yell. Anything The fact that somebody else police isn't necessarily convincing, right? Anyone can yell police. And again think psychology of this if the police have the wrong house. And you know there's no reason on earth that real cops would take an interest in you especially in the middle of the night. Right because you know you've done nothing wrong. You're not the guy running a meth lab. Right and now you're reaching for your gun in the dark. Of course, someone is likely to get killed. But this is not a racial issue. It's terrible policy. Now unfortunately the process of police reform isn't straightforward. And it's made more complicated by the kinds of things that are happening now. I'm yes, we will be urging police reform in a very big way now that seems clear, but Roland Fryer has also shown that investigations of cops in a climate where viral videos and racial politics are operating. Have dramatic effects and dramatically negative effects. I studied the aftermath of the investigations into police misconduct that followed the killings of Freddie, Gray and Michael, Brown and McQueen McDonald. And he found that for reasons that are pretty easy to intuit proactive police contact with civilians decreases drastically. Sometimes by as much as one hundred percent once these investigations get started. This is now called the Ferguson effect. Right and the police still answer nine one one calls, but they don't investigate suspicious activity in the same way. They don't WanNa wind up on Youtube. And when they alter their behavior like this. Homicides go up. And Friar estimates that the effects of these few investigations translated into thousand extra homicides and almost forty thousand more felonies. Over the next twenty four months in the US. And of course, most of the victims of those crimes were black. No one shudders to imagine the size of the Ferguson effect were about to see nationwide. I'm sure the morale among cops. Has Never been lower? I think it's almost guaranteed that cops by the thousands will be leaving the force. And is going to be much more difficult to recruit good people to the police force. Me Who's GONNA WANNA. Be a COP now. Who could be idealistic about occupying that role in society? Seems to me that the population of people who will become cops now. We'll be more or less indistinguishable from the population of people who become. Prison guards. Pretty, sure, there's a difference there. I think we're likely to see that difference expressed now in the future. It's a grim picture unless we do something very creative here. So there's a real question about how we can reform police departments and get rid of bad cops without negatively impacting the performance of good cops. That's a riddle we have to solve. Or lease. We have to understand what the trade offs are here. And why is this happening now? Police. Killings of civilians have gone way down. and. They are very rare events. There one in ten thousand level events. If measured by arrests and one in fifty to sixty thousand level events, if measured by police encounters. And the number of unarmed people who were killed by COPS is much smaller than that right of thousand people killed by cops last year. Around fifty or unarmed? And again that were more white people killed than black. Not all unarmed victims are innocent. Right some get killed in the act of attack in the cops. Again the data don't tell a queen story or the whole story. I see no reason to doubt that African. Americans get more attention from the cops. Though honestly given the distribution of crime in our society. I don't know what the alternative to that would be. And once the cops get involved. Blacks are more likely to get roughed up. It seems. which is bad? Right but again it's simply unclear that racism is the cause of that. And contrary to everyone's expectations. It seems that whites are more likely to get killed by COPS. Actually one factor seems to be that whites are seven times more likely. To commit what's called suicide by COP? And they're actually three times more likely to commit suicide generally. What's going on there? Who knows? There's a lot. We don't understand about these data. But ask yourself. Would Society seem less racist to you if the disparity ran the other way? Is less physical contact. But a greater likelihood of getting shot and killed a form of white privilege. Is Higher level of suicide by COP and suicide, generally a form of white privilege. We have a problem here that read either way. You could tell a starkly racist narrative. We need ethical professional policing of course. Right, but the places with the highest crime in our society need the most of it. Is there any doubt about that? Mia City like, Milwaukee. Blacks are twelve times more likely to get murdered than whites. And again are being killed by other African Americans nearly one hundred percent of the time. I think the lowest figure I've seen is ninety three percent of the time. What should the police do about this? And what are they likely to do now? Now that our entire country has been convulsed over one horrific case of police misconduct. So we need to lower the temperature on this conversation and many other conversations. And understand what is actually happening in our society. But instead of doing this, we now have a whole generation of social activists. Who Seem eager to play a game of chicken with the forces of chaos. The everything just said about the problem of inequality and the need for reform stands. But I think what we're witnessing in our streets. And on social media, and even in the mainstream press. is a version of mass hysteria. And the next horrific video. Of a black person being killed by COPS. Won't be evidence to the contrary. And there will be another video right. There are ten million arrests year. There will always be another video. The media have turned these videos into a form of political pornography. And? This is deranged us. We're now unable to speak or even think. About facts. The media has truly been poisoned by bad incentives in this regard, his social media doubly so. Now in the mainstream of this protest movement, his very common to hear that the only problem with what's happening in our streets apart from the cops are doing. Is that some criminal behavior at the margins. A little bit of losing a little bit of violence. Has distracted us from an otherwise necessary and inspiring response to an epidemic of racism. And, most people in the media have taken exactly this position. Right now Anderson Cooper on CNN. Or the editorial page of The New York Times. Or public figures like President Obama or Vice President Biden. And the most prominent liberal voices in our society believe that the protests themselves make perfect moral sense. And perfect political sense. And that movements like black lives matter. Are Guaranteed to be on the right side of history. Me How could anyone who's concerned about inequality and injustice in our society? See things any other way. We. How could anyone who isn't himself racist? Not Support Black lives matter. But of course there is a difference between slogans and reality. There's a difference between the branding of a movement. And his actual aims. And this can be genuinely confusing. And that's why propaganda works right. For instance. Many people assume that there's nothing wrong with ANTIFA. This group of total maniacs has branded itself as anti fascist. At what could be wrong with being anti-fascist? Are you pro? Fascism? There's a similar problem with black lives matter. Though happily, unlike antiga black lives matter actually seems committed to peaceful protest. which is hugely important. So, the problem I'm discussing is more ideological. And it's much bigger than black lives matter. But be lamb, the most visible symbol of this movement. And the wider issue is that we are in the midst of. A moral panic. Right and it's been made possible by near total unwillingness particularly on the left. Among people who value their careers and their livelihoods and their reputations. And have a legitimate fear of being hounded into oblivion online. So this is nearly everyone left of center politically. People are simply refusing to speak honestly about the problem of race and racism in America. And we're making ourselves sick, right? We are damaging our society. And by protesting the wrong thing. Even the slightly wrong thing. And unleashing an explosion of cynical criminality in the process. Looting doesn't even have a pretense of protest. The left is empowering trump whatever the polls currently show. If, we're. Worried about trump's. Authoritarian ambitions. As I think we really should be. This is important understand. He recently had what looked like paramilitary troops guarding the White House. I don't know if we found out who those guys actually were, but. That was genuinely alarming. But how are democratic calls to abolish the police? Going to play in half the country. The just watched so many cities getting looted. We have to vote trump out of office to restore the integrity of our institutions. And? We have to make the political case. For, major reforms to deal with the PROBLEM OF INEQUALITY! Problem which affects the black community most of all? We need police reform. We need criminal justice reform. We need tax reform. We need healthcare reform. We need environmental reform. We need all of these things and more and to be just these policies will need to reduce inequality in our society. And if we did this, African Americans would benefit. Perhaps more than any other group. But. It's not at all clear that progress along these dimensions. Primarily entails US finding eradicating more racism in our society. And just ask yourself. What would real progress on the problem of racism look like. What would utter progress look like? Well, here's what I think. It would look like. More and more people and ultimately all people. Would care less and less. And ultimately not at all about race. As said in places, skin color would become like hair-color. It's political and moral significance. which is to say, it would have none. Now. Maybe you don't agree with that aspiration. Maybe think that tribalism based on skin color can't be outgrown. Or shouldn't be outgrown. Well if you think that I'm afraid I, don't know what to say to you. Right. It's not that there's nothing to say. It's just there's so much. We disagree about moreland politically. That I. Don't know where to begin. To that debate if it can even be had. We'll have to be left for another time. For the purposes of this conversation. A half to assume that you agree with me about the goal here. Which is to say you share the hope that there will come a time. When the color of a person's skin? Really doesn't matter. What would that be like? Well. How many blondes got into Harvard this year? Does anyone know? What percentage of the police in San Diego. Brunette. Do! We have enough red heads in senior management in our fortune five hundred companies. No one is asking these questions. And, there's a reason for that. No one cares. And we. Are Right not to care. Imagine a world in which people cared about hair-color to the degree that we currently care or seem to care or imagine that others care. Or Ledge that they secretly care about skin color. Imagine a world in which discrimination by hair-color. Was a thing. And took centuries to overcome. And remains a persistent source of private pain and public grievance throughout society. Even were no longer exists. One, an insane misuse of human energy that would be. What an absolute catastrophe! Now the analogy isn't perfect for variety of reasons, but. It's good enough for us to understand what life would be like. If the spell of Racism anti-racism, which truly broken. The future we want is not one in which we have all become passionate anti-racists. It's not a future in which we're forever on our guard against the slightest insult. The band joke the awkward compliment. The tweet that didn't age well. We want to get to a world in which skin color and other superficial characteristics of a person become morally and politically irrelevant. And if you don't agree with that? What did you think? Martin Luther King Junior was talking about? And finally if you're on the left, and you don't agree with that. If you don't agree with this vision of a post racial future. Please observe that the people who agree with you. The people who believe that there is no overcoming race, and that racial identity is indissoluble, and the skin color really matters and will always matter. These people are white supremacists and Neo Nazis and other total assholes. And these are also people. I can't figure out how to talk too much less persuade. So the question for the rest of us. Those of us who want to build a world populated by human beings merely. The question is. How do we get there? How does racial difference but come on interesting? Can it become uninteresting by more and more people taking a greater interest in it? Can become uninteresting by becoming a permanent political identity. Can become an interesting by having thousands of institutions whose And therefore various survival. Depends on it remaining interesting until the end of the world. Can it become less significant by being granted more and more significance? By becoming a fetish a sacred object. Ringed on all sides by taboos. Can race become less significant if you can lose your reputation and even your livelihood at any moment. By saying one wrong word about it. I think these questions answered themselves. To outgrow our obsession with racial difference. We have to grow our obsession with race. And you don't do that by maintaining your obsession with it. Now. You might agree with me about the goal. And about how post racial society would seem. But. You might about the path to get there. And the question of what to do next. And in fact one podcast listener. wrote to me recently. To say that while he accepted my notion of a post racial future, he thinks just far too soon to talk about putting racial politics behind us. And he asked me to imagine just how absurd it would be to have told. Martin Luther King Junior at the dawn of the civil rights movement that the path beyond racism requires that he become less and less obsessed with race. That seems like a fair point, but. Coleman Hughes's actually drawn my attention to a string of mlk quotes. The seem justice transcend into racial identity politics as I'm hoping to be here. and. You can see these quotations on his twitter feed. None of those statements by King. Would make sense coming out of black lives matter at the moment. But in any case as I said. I think. We're living in a very different time. Then Martin, Luther King Junior was. And what I see all around me is evidence of the fact that we're pain an intolerable price. FOR CONFUSION ABOUT RACISM. And social justice generally. And the importance of identity generally. And, this is happening in an environment where. The Path to success and power. For historically disadvantaged groups. Isn't generally barred by white racists who won't vote for them or hire them or celebrate their achievements or buy their products? And it isn't generally barred by. And policies and norms. That are unfair. Now they're surely still some of that. But there must be less of it now than there ever was. The real burden on the black community is the continued legacy of inequality. With respect to wealth and education and health and social order. Levels of crime in particular. And the resulting levels of incarceration and single parent families. And it seems very unlikely that these disparities. Whatever their origin in the past can be solved by focusing on the problem of lingering racism. Especially where it doesn't exist. And the current problem of police violence seems a perfect case in point. And yet now were inundated with messages from. Intention Company and organization singing from the same book of Hymns. And black lives matter is everywhere. Of course, black lives matter. But the messaging of this movement around the reality of police violence is wrong and is creating a public hysteria. Marriage got a message from the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Talking about fear of the other. Right. The quote from the email is left unchecked racism, sexism, homophobia and fear of the other can enter any organization or community and destroy the foundations upon which we must build our future. Okay fine. But. Is that really the concern in the scientific community right now. Unchecked racism sexism and homophobia. Is that really what ails science in the year twenty twenty. I don't think so. I'll tell you the fear of the other. That does seem warranted everywhere right now. It's the other who has rendered him or herself incapable of dialogue. Is the other. Who Will Not listen to reason? WHO has no interest in fax? Who can't join a conversation that converges on the truth? Because he knows in advance what the truth must be! We should fear the other. Who thinks the dogmatism? And cognitive bias. Aren't something to be corrected for because they're the very foundations of his epistemology. We should fear the other who can't distinguish. From Journalism. Or politics from science or worse can make these distinctions, but refuses to. And were all capable of becoming this person. If only for minutes or hours at a time. And this is a bug in our operating system, not a feature. And we have to continually correct for it. One of the most shocking things that many of us learned when the covid nineteen pandemic was first landing on our shores, and we were weighing the pros and cons of closing the schools. was that for tens of millions of American kids? Go into school represents the only guarantee of a decent meal on any given day. Now. I'm pretty confident that most of the kids were talking about here. Aren't white. And whatever you think about the opportunities in this country. And whatever individual success stories you can call to mind. There's no question that some of us. Start out on third base. Or second base. Everyone has a lot to deal with. Of course, life is hard. But, not everyone is a single mom or single grandparent. Struggling to raise kids in the inner city. All the while trying to keep them from getting murdered. Right the disparities in our society. are absolutely heartbreaking and unacceptable. And we need a rational discussion about their actual causes and solutions. We have to pull back from the brink here. And all we have with which to do that. His conversation. When the only thing that makes conversation possible. Is An openness to evidence and arguments. A willingness to update one's view of the world when better reasons are given? And that is an ongoing process. Not a place, we ever finally arrive. Okay well. Perhaps that was more of an exhortation than I intended. But. It certainly felt like I needed to say that. I hope it was useful. And the conversations will continue on this podcast. Stay safe everyone.

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Kirk Cousins, Foles + Minshew, Russell Wilson, LeBron + Kawhi, AD, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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Kirk Cousins, Foles + Minshew, Russell Wilson, LeBron + Kawhi, AD, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield

"Visa wants to know where you would like to be where the urine Superfan for just in it to win. Your League. Visa knows we want to spend less time. I'm standing in line. And more time pursuing our passions that's why for over sixty years visa's been adding innovative plays to the way we pay from tapping to pay getting paid in thirty minutes or less. They're giving businesses and consumers more tools to do just that they know that every visa transaction is a promise for this street vendor in front of a stadium or picking up the latest. NFL Girl Online visa wants to provide us with the most security easy payment experience possible so everyone everywhere can get to where they'd like to be visa everywhere. You WanNa be. Hey Yeah I'll jimmy here when you speak for yourself you're forced to think for yourself and when you think for yourself. The sports world looks different in order to enjoy this podcast and this show. You need to have the courage to look at the world from alternative points of view and and not be offended when you disagree. Speak for yourself isn't to twitter facebook or instagram feed. SF tells you what you need to hear and not what you want to hear. So welcome aboard buckle up and enjoy the ride all right as you are. Well aware by now I can relate almost anything in sports george to my favorite television show of all time but why the show about drug dealers police and politicians in Baltimore. Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are Avon. Barksdale Stale and stringer bell the old dynasty holding onto its corners by any means necessary Aaron Rodgers is Omar little the baddest man in the Hood Russell Russell Wilson is prop. Joe Got the whole westside on lot Baker Mayfield as bubbles little cuyler Murray is Canard. You Got Patrick. Mahomes home to Shawn Watson and Lamar Jackson out needs. NFL streets competing to be Marlo stanfield. They want the crown that brings me to Dak.. Prescott in incur cousins quarterback who face each other Sunday night in a critical showdown for the cowboys. End The vikings. There's no particular characters I'd compare Prescott and cousins to. I'm not going to compare them to Nikki. Ziggy from season two and the Docs know. Prescott and cousins represent the brilliant merit of of the wire. Where pass was prologue in season? Four of the wire the season immediately after stringer's death and Avon's incarceration the show told you Avon and stringer's backstories by introducing a group of eighth grade kids who turned into the next generation wire characters. Kirk cousins is Dak Prescott backstory. They're the same quarterback following the exact same path cousins and Prescott or fourth round quarterbacks who overachieved and put their teams in the awkward position -sition wanting to retain them but not overspend for the right to do so rather than give cousins a long term contract. The Washington redskins hip cousins with the franchise is tag twice and two seasons in a row and then they let him walk away via free agency. Cousins is good. But he's never been good had enough to justify a mega long term contract. Dallas is faced with the same predicament with its over. Achieving fourth-round quarterback Dacca's good. But he's not worth thirty three to thirty five million this season for the next three or four years. The fact that the redskins really liked but didn't love cousins occasionally caused the normally mild-mannered cousins to act out your remember when he rally Washington the victory over the Tampa Bay buccaneers and ran through the tunnel shouting. Yeah like that that that was in his fourth. NFL season that is now in his fourth NFL season on Monday. Night the cowboys to victory over the giants after the game the normally mild-mannered Prescott told USA. Today there isn't a freaking team in the league. That can stop us and he didn't say Freaky Dad can kirk mark are the same guy solid. NFL quarterbacks good players put the right pieces around him and they can win games and maybe even win a super bowl but they're not special special and it's a mistake to pay them like they are. They're never going to wear the crown if I had to compare them to characters on the wire there Bodey and Pu interesting and likable ponds. That will never make it across the chessboard. Game is rigged against them. I joined the desk now or Fox sports. NFL analyst Bucky Brooks and Lavar Arrington Marcellus. START US off. Yes fair to say Kirk. Cousins career is proof. Cowboys shouldn't overpay for Dak.. preska unfair very unfair one. This used a context of their circumstances to prove that this is not not a fair comparison. Kirk cousins was on a team with no super bowl. Aspirations at the time of his franchise tag offerings. This is not the same for Dak Prescott. Who was on a team that even you say Jerry Jones is waiting for that next ring? They're built Ford. And how are they built for their built by. Hi there. Defensively built by the running game and that lends me to other comparisons that are more favorable for DAK prescott than one kirk cousins. It leads me to the comparisons persons of a young Russell Wilson the comparisons of a young Ben Rothlisberger who were leaning on defense and running games to the tune of a super bowl. Oh Championship to the tune of Been Rothlisberger won his first championship. But people say that's not for you. That's what the steelers for everybody else on the team right. And if you look at it. Deck has more yards per game to Russell Wilson in his first four years and a better passer rating them. Big Ben Second most wins in the league since he's been there under Tom Brady and we're still using lower lesser comparisons for deck instead of the more favourable future hall of fame. Comparisons that exist. Tim Big Ben and Russell Wilson. My case has been dropped got dismiss house envelope one. I like that was great the way that you touted altogether with the why I love the wire I liked it. I just think you have it wrong in terms of Dak Prescott. Dick Prescott. Is he got. It is a franchise quarterback. He has proven that. He's a franchise quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. He's winning sixty six percent of his games. And so when you compare his plight with vet of Kirk cousins who is a sub five hundred quarterback. It's not the same and I know they both fourth round picks and you're always looking to replace the guys that come into the League viewed as developmental the middle but I think the biggest thing that he offers for the Dallas Cowboys Consistency estes. He's consistent how he plays he stable in his emotions. They know each and every week what they're getting and I think there's comfort for the Dallas cowboys knowing they have a quarterback that is gonNA show up each and every week and no matter what his strengths are and and what are his lows. Are they still can win around. I think in front you pay thirty five million for comfort. I mean that's the going rate this fair to say that Kirk cousins. This is proof that the cowboys should lose the Enin apostrophe T- Lose the over before pay put back in and take away the question question mark and put a period. It's fair to say Kirk cousins career is proved cowboys should pay deck. That's that's what I come up with. Here's the thing right. You're replacing a franchise quarterback and settling back into a role where he had to replace Tony Romo and he's done a fine. Find Job with doing that. You see the mass the massive push to solidify this this roster so that they can make that run for the Super Bowl. Here's why I say it's unfair to go at kirk cousins right. You're talking about a team. Where they kept franchise tagging him? But the franchise tag situation will help was not based off of his his play. It was not purely based off of his play. It was based off of a sensationalism. All right can we sell tickets. Does Kirk cousins moved the needle for our but franchise that win games but we were actually pretty decent. WHAT KIRK cousins? They should have paid eight the man so that they could try to stabilize their team but now where they at since he's left their a one one team this year and week nine so it's not fair to say that Kirk cousins was overpaid. He went to Minnesota. He had a rough start but now he's winning again so I'm looking at it from the perspective of if you're looking at kirk cousins and he did deserve that money when he went to Minnesota because he's doing what he did in Washington he's winning and he's winning an organization that needed needed that quarterback to win and you saw what his he's leaving left now for Dak.. You have an opportunity to possibly your first place in the NFC you you have a possibility of of of going sees. It doesn't matter number one in the number one big win on imprompt Tom Against a week John is team but the reality is you gotta play in front of you. I think is earning his keep again. I'm going to continue to say more about the coaches and so I just WanNa we clear one thing. I do agree with me as that. Deck and Kirk cousins are comparable. You you you can put them in the same class quarterback going to do it now. What leading the witness me? He's thank you agree with me on that. Note there in the same class and Marcel over your capacity ready to be actually compare hearing them. His numbers comparison who he's had the Russell Wilson it wasn't in Hattie's more sandwich was driving their bus for Seattle marshawn Lynch and the defense. And so that's what it is but here's what we'll do make it easy because we'll go back because you want to move on from Dak Prescott. We'll just go back a couple of years and went to quarterbacks were drafted in the first round Baker. Mayfield feel Sam Darnold. Josh Rosen Josh Allen I league Alamar Jackson so if we compare any of those guys and say okay I got DAK Prescott Baker Mayfield. Who would would I go DAK Prescott Scott Sam darnold? Same Thing Josh Allen Act like the only ward where we can begin to be like maybe to look good if we put Lamar Jackson in the Dallas was uniform maybe So that's potentially what you look if you say A.. We'll move on from him and we'll get into the draft and we'll take one of these maybes possible and see if we can win a space. Here's where I'll say even when Lamar and this is no shot Lamar but here comes back. Prescott fits the look of. Let's be real a black quarterback quarterback for America's team. So if you don't play you WANNA play play real. You WanNa play a real dak.. Prescott fits the profile of what a franchise quarterback for for the Dallas Cowboys. America's team and that's also the markets and the size of the franchise separates Dak Prescott. Why should be paid versus comparing him to Kirk? Cousins is in this scenario you. You've made an interesting point. I want to go back and Bucky here. I am ourselves a little bit here before I get to you jail. Let's just be honesty. Do you think that Prescott will ever be is good as Russell Wilson. I think I think their careers a parallel. I think you'll see a swing. Were this team. Goes from being. Zeke Elliott led to being deck Prescott got live. It's the same thing that happens in Seattle with marshawn Lynch marshawn Lynch was the bill. He was everything they go to two super bowls they lead is different than being as good as Russell Wilson or been office. I will answer that and I will go along Greater Russell Wilson. I'll go Tom Brady and don't tell me about your Brady doesn't know that Blake late meetings. Were about that twelve. Yeah we don't have to until they just want to bow and again and again and then you're like. Oh Oh you saw the transition be respectful. That was a defensive special teams four. Tell me Dacca's going to be Tom. Brady and there was a reality when no one saw Tom Brady. There was a reality. No one saw Russell this Tom Radio. It's on Britain's war wind move rewind the movie to seeing nobody's GONNA windows amount of super bowls. I don't think any quarterback will old surpassed. Tom Brady went and Super Beta at the Montana. said that I'm just letting you know you sound like they're looking understand your aw arguing the deck could potentially be the goal. Okay so we're taking it away. How about being Rothberg? Because you ain't going to listen to the radio today rothlisburger their first super bowl thirty two man. You talk about a team carrying a few years later. Can he goes and takes team. Dak Prescott could very will the be on the same staff and look. y'All WanNa compare in a big band. Was the first round draft pick big Ben still six-foot-five two hundred and fifty pounds for Jags Prescott will never be sixty-five intangibles. Never had his never had. I had the leadership now. I'll say it has been rothlisberger. Hey guys like Heinz World War and the bus with him early on in those days to guide him. I don't know who that leader is on his team. And maybe at this point maybe that's immaterial because he's got years in but if he develops. He does have the intangibles to be that type type of according to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger or better the canals. That mountain it's not your tangible intangibles. Because we all walk into collective sphere of of big fast. We're kind of bunched up together. But what separates us as Russell. Wilson says preparations separation. If you will die for the sport sport will love you. Forever and deck shows that level of commitment as has the leader of America's hey needs to be developed though and I don't know that he's being developed Tampa with the the the guys out here for four years He's got Ahah playing time. They've given him Amari Cooper. He's got the best. Zeke Elliott. Hold those of line either second most money it doesn't. He's developed valid. He's going dump on Timers Smith and seven hundred Mars injuries every every other week. He goes back out that you played assist. ACL which you okay. We are winning. I'll get Tom Brady. Somehow bins is a hall of Famer. Russell Wilson's a hall of Famer. Somehow we got back right in there with this is crazy was IRV hoerr. Tom Brady better as talented debt. No it's not gonNA compensation as talented. Tally better Zuhdi safe things differently. All these systems is it that are being played now the way the passing game is now. Now you're making my point of view put Dak Prescott and a bill. Belichick ran off. What is Dak Prescott? They might want five hundred six Dak Prescott Jacoby percent of a new way for bill. Belichick Matt Cassel. Legrand go ahead. Look those g hundred million look real nice. Hey Hey good right now. Tom Brady issue an apology. Talk IT Patriots Organization. Get name has been denigrated. Selling a bomb. Yeah well that can get his money. Man Twenty eight twenty nine million. But we don't know you get twenty eight twenty nine. I would lock them wildly. LAVAR ARRINGTON is back. We're joined now by Fox. NFL analyst. Eric made genius time for debt. Doodoo assert ourselves what you get time. Stop being you of Jason and join forces in the trenches the big uglies debt dues start off a number. Three Gregory Roussel Miami Ray boys hanging earning up path for sacks against Florida state. Do my main bar who so lined up over center six fifty one you know he wants to get out of there. You'd like man. I'm over the center. Let me go cross face. You can see him as he crosses face now. You had the guard and tackle you gotta stay inside of that. Nice you stay inside of that you get the pinball all affect coaches always talking about Bang Bang Bang Bang. They inside that tackles inside shoulder kissing some push get skinny in there now you know what he did seven having sex in his last two games. My Man Gregory Russo. Your Number Three Dad Doodo week number two. Let's go to Don Terry Po. Po knows the Easter meal. Douglas and Sacks Ryan Tenant Hill this playwright here Po from Kanzaki Titus. O'Neil Douglas Guesses Punch and I and he got it up there but Paul throws Douglas Hands Away Pretty easily and now po uses his right arm to clear all clear to guard now. He's like a grizzly bear up in near. And this is where you get the sex. They're not up top. y'All it's not what the move's top is with the hip turn download big man showing you that. He is nimble on his feet on. I love right there Dante. repoed number two debt. Dude weak and there. Let's go to our number one dead Doodo the week Drum Roll Rhys Jones who Chris Jau now dance the night away. Oh Pat F line into kirk cousins. Oh go hand. Fight off the snap with Jones wins that down down as L.. Flying back on his heels legs have no power to number two pin slow down all leverage it starts driving backwards. You you know what he started doing. He start thinking about his favorite artists at least mine. Michael Jackson's towns Dr Moonwalk right here. Oh Eh does using all that power that thrust and now it's time to take on the prom baby. You know what this dance. The night of weddings this kirk cousins. It's like I can't get no passes to my face rhys-jones out there beast in dance to not away big dog. You know you are number one dead dude a week. Wow Awesome job with a K- why time now for big story. Let's move to Jacksonville. Jaguars Nick foles the starter. When they returned from the bye week next next week ending Gardner? Men's shoes magical run meant you kept the Jaguars season alive going. Four and four enfolds his absence all while capturing the hearts of the the nation with his mustache over the top personality and some exciting play. But now Jacksonville. We'll see what they have in falls who they handed a big contract and the off season season. I the question here is guys. Think the foles Minhsiu quarterback controversy is over over. Look you're going to look at Nick foles differently because of the play of Gardner Menchu which was good but not good enough. This is the guy we had opportunity to steal that job. But when you have that opportunity you have to violently take it away. Assault the opportunity. If you leave anything for chance a superbowl winning quarterback who's making over twenty million dollars a year is going to win that battle. So that's what happens here simply and if you really want to get into the numbers what doomed to internally was turnovers miss you lost seven. Fumbles eleven overall. Wealth is losing a lot of fumbles. But there's no harm's way of their job security Daniel Jones loss eight ten and overall so when you're in that conversation of being a turnover machine and you're a stopgap player you're gonNA lose your chance. Yeah when you're the six pick in the draft or when you've got fifty million dollars guaranteed you've got a pretty significant head start over anybody. And the Jaguars are in a position where they have to go and see what Nick foles can do. There's there's obviously a organizational commitment. There's a history of success in the postseason with him. They're hoping that that carries over throughout the course of the entire entire regular season and as nice job as mentioned did the turnovers. They're hard. They're hard to accept. especially if you have such a viable alternative. I'm an alternative that you've committed so strongly to you have no choice but to put Nick foles and I think that's the sensible corporate approach. What will coach an I and Marcellus are are speaking? But we're talking about controversies. Don't generally come from the the upstairs areas. They come from inside the locker room and they come from the Nat ix right so this is not over not by any means not by stretch it may have been settled in terms of Roi on the contract that's been given. He won super bowls. Let's see what he can do but the fans are going to want to see. Can Nick foles else come back and provide that spark that that match you provide it when they needed him to do so. So if foles doesn't come back and play at a high enough level to quiet down the conversations. Those conversations will get louder and progressively more louder and more pronounced and maybe heard if phones doesn't play up to his standards. I think Nick Foles at thirty years. Old As opposed to a young kid on rookie deal. The controversy is not over unless Nick foles goes out and plays really well but can I see them in early December reassessing reassessing. The things aren't going well and going back to mention absolute. We're sure you read all the gift giving lists. But don't really really have the time to keep scouring the Internet for the perfect gift for her this holiday season with their trinity and Classic Options Swore Off Ski. She has all this. Season's must have styles. 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This defense is a far cry from the Legion of boom near the bottom of the league and points per game total yards per game and passing yards yards per game. Are The question here is do you agree with been author or the seahawks too dependent on Russell Wilson. Not at all what. We're seeing arte order results in the transition of power from the Legion of boom and that defensive centric team to now. You have a quarterback who's planning at MVP level and a lot of young assets that are trying to blossom. Let's talk about the defense. We all saw some of the numbers. No some of the numbers. Not good for them defensively especially especially by expectation and Alesina boom standard. But they also have a quarter of those defensive starters that are under the age of twenty five so this young a young group that has tried to mature. Meanwhile a lot of assets have been poured physically to try and support. What Russell Wilson is doing which is amazing so in that transition of power you gotta use what you have and sometimes patients is virtue that you must example so? I'm not buying that. This team is too dependent on Russell Wilson because they made the transition because they knew they could trust in Russell Wilson. Now that's occurring. Think we're saying that they went too far doesn't make sense and people get really spoiled when the use of looking at one thing for a long time they expect. It's always going to be this way and I know they made a major overhaul major transition last year and the fact that they were able to go to the playoffs the way they did with nobody really expected was pretty incredible. Edible and Pete's done a good job of this throat his his coaching career wherever he's been of being able to to overhaul systems take chances bringing is that aren't necessarily thought of as as the perfect fit in and make them work in any doing that. Offensively it's the commitment to the running game. They've had last year. They were firstly in rushing and he russell Wilson had his highest quarterback rating. Ever and this year they're eighth and ninth in passing. So there's there's more of a balanced there were twenty seven the passing but the fact that they're committing to consistently running the ball has helped Russell Wilson Russell Wilson substantially and. I remember last year when they we're talking about your relegating him to being a game manager and that wasn't the case at all that actually helped him be more effective because of the things that it opened up I'm willing to piggyback off for that. I wrote down the name Terry Bradshaw. He's a part of our show because he's a part of that whole gambling. Deal that we do when your money. You look at that team it. It created an entire identity for an entire city. You had to steel curtain. You had Terry Bradshaw who had rocky bleier and Franco Harrison. That backfield right. You're not. You're not putting too much on Russell Wilson because for the same reasons that you look at a team like that legendary The Pittsburgh steelers team that Legion of boom no super bowl teams. That won created an entire identity for that city. The Seattle still lives and will always be forever known as the Legion of boom team. The twelve man. It always solidified during this this time period with marshawn Lynch you had Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson. God bless you still have your franchise quarterback. That's a part of your team. They are going to lean on him. That's still their identity. It's almost like a no one situation because you're looking for dangerous Russ to be what you created that that identity you're looking for that and you're always going to hang your hat on that. As long as he is a Seattle Seahawk I. I'm going to defend the author of this story a little bit here and say because I think it's point is like I don't think they can win a super bowl this way that there's not enough balanced and not getting enough d from their defense. And they're too reliant on Russell Wilson and they need more balancing their defense where I disagree with the rider areas. I don't mind them. Russell Wilson's the highest paid player in the league. You should lean into him man. You should put the pressure on where I'm bothered by. What Seattle Seattle did? I didn't like the today cloudy. Move at the time. I don't think he's that kind of impact defensive player Russell Wilson if you're going to lean into him give him more assets. They've now made the desperate move of going out and getting Josh Gordon trying to give Russell enough pieces to carry this whole thing. But if the balance is gonNA flip over the Russell give him all the same pieces you gave Richard Sherman and would Earl Thomas With Kam Chancellor with Bobby Wagner with Michael. They were loaded. They won't be on that. Well yeah get. I'm just saying give Russell the necessarily if he's got to carry it giving what he needs. Don't make today and cloudy. Go Out and get you a real offensive lineman or another pass ask catcher jazz. Gordon is a desperation move. Because they know they are totally reliant on Russell Wilson and we gotta give him even more help. I I don't know how you can defend the author and then say that it's a bad move to try to solidify defense. That's having problems if you're saying. Take the pressure off of Russell Wilson. The defense isn't holding up there in the bargain and then you're mad at them for going to try to imply that I didn't like the comedy movies. But that's your perspective but it still is a move to solidify fight a weak area the team and take pressure off with a quarterback. I mean you look at Josh Gordon. That's not a desperation move. That's a lottery ticket. If it hits it's great if it doesn't what did they lost. There's very little money and they didn't have to give up anything to get him so if it works great if it doesn't work there no worse off than they were before they got him. I think that's that's that's a sign. Moving Pete's done that consistently were. He'll take some chances. Dwayne Dwayne Brown going to get him hill. Do some things that aren't traditional and in and a little bit out on a limb and typically he makes them work and to supplement that you talk about not helping Russell Wilson Tyler Lockett in him or click. In in an all time rate you talk about decay metcalf being a second rounder. WHO's auster and you had the number one rushing attack last year so that's a balanced even in philosophy? This is a team that is trying to construct a new identity. Fortunately they don't be able to escape the right so you don't dive into the details. Every was lazy assumption is the defense is not doing well. They're not going to do well. And that's not their formula. The lack starpower. No one can name running backs and it was the number one rushing attack in entire. NFL so I think they're really suffering from a branding issue more so did a personnel philosophy or excellent and a lot of wants to Tampa Bay but remember they were four and five and finished up ten six six. That was a team that had a major overhaul. Everybody had considered them dead and then they they had this burst young players get better about the middle of the season. You could see some twice on that defense here and we move on with locking wildly joined now by Fox. NBA Analyst. Chris Hanes and let's move the Brian James who is leaving it all on the court. So far this season putting up his third straight triple-double last night leaving the Lakers back from down. Nineteen to beat the Bulls. Meanwhile well crosstown rival Kawhi. Leonard is taking a different approach with the clippers announcing coup. Why won't play tonight against the Milwaukee Bucks? The second nationally televised has game. He will have missed so far. Do load management all right Load management versus a guy. WHO's all in trying to prove that? He's still the best player in the League in year. Seventeen who's approach is gonNa Work Lebron's all in our allies load management. Aw One let's take the names off off the back of the jerseys and listen react to this this proposition. You got old guy who's going all in he's written this marathon and you got a young guy who's like you know what I'm just going to pace myself and make sure I'm there at the end. How you going to leave you know you leaning leaning young the young guy? Who's going to actually manage this course properly who just managed properly to the tune of NBA Championship? And the thing about about Lebron's approach. I don't think we're work is not just so much. Just a thirty five road have enough gas in the tank to make it because the Braun is supernatural. ooh respect his game and I respect his psyche and approach to the game. However he's not being fueled just by Lebron right now as we saw a tweet last Niwa washed up king? The broad has led us get to him to the point where he's going to be fully motivated and in response to what we you want what we're saying what we're criticizing him about. So here's my last point about this. The first game clippers versus Lakers to me is a microcosm of Lebron season. He went out there and national anthem was playing he jumping up he pumped. I'm about to win. La and he went out out. There scored eight points six points. Then they went and got some gatorade at halftime. You know what he came home. Second half two points two points tap out. I'm tired boss. That's what happened in that game. And I think if he keeps this place SCO happened during the season well less full. Transparency Quieter is dealing with if a lingering knee issue not severe. But it's early in the season clippers are going to be cautious with that being said as you as you mentioned. The system has proven to work for Leonard. He did it last year in Toronto All these teams that were court him who actually had a chance to get him talking about the raptors clippers and Lakers. They knew going in that. There's a program in place for Kuwa- if you want to maximize his potential there's a course of action action. This is part of it. The Lakers would have been doing it. The Raptors we saw what they did now with all that being said Lebron James. He's never been someone who's going to come out and say hey I'm GonNa take this game off. I'm not gonNA play such as such. He wants to play. That's not going to happen. The Lakers are GonNa not shut them down but Lakers period of time are going to give him some rest and it's going to be rest of in situations where he's not dealing with an injury like quieter just looked at look on the schedule and stricter schedule and things of that nature. So you know the Branca's say that but it's just out and open with and would you rather have him doing this right now on a regular season or when it matters in the postseason. Because I guarantee you there's not going to be any row management the playoffs I. I'm just listening to you all talk. I'm GonNa have a different answer so than I imagined when the segment started. I think Lebron is doing is going to work. I think Lebron and I don't like what quals doing and but you you kind of shaken. Because if he's got a lingering knee issue. I kind of understand if that's the case but nash to back to back nationally televised games like like this this bad for his brand is bad for the NBA. I don't like it for Kawhi Leonard. What I think? Lebron James is doing early in the season he's putting this demo out there to hear he's this dimwit disparate minded. Look you see what I can do when when I wanNA to do it. And I think he's going to back off because he will have proven his point in November October November. y'All know what I can do now. I can back off and he just put some testers out on the market. You know I got that. WMD comes April. May I think Lebron's approach is going. Want to work in his actually smart. He needed to back up his critics particularly coming off the China deal. He's left with no choice that but to change the narrative in the conversation. I'm giving your forty and twenty and I'm doing this and that he's put out his tweet now. He said everybody early in a relationship ship. Man You gotta put your best work in early then back saver for your about going anniversary. I the Christmas I love. And here's the problem with that Lebron's using our gas to try to fuel him. And I did this. This my Momma Hadad seventy four Monte Carlo. She's like put some gas here dollar thirty eight we broke. You can even get filled up thirty eight like an ashtray. Money put regular alert in unleaded. You ever did that. It ain't going far. He using our gas a- Lebron's machine with ain't GonNa go far China Oyo said I can't play defense last year. I couldn't make it through. Okay see how long are you going to run for our gas. And we'll Kawais doing exactly on brand every team knew this every fan knows this choas coming. Maybe it is going to be there at the end so this whole MJ. Few you by hate. And I use all this criticism. The motiva- me if it ain't for you thank you built in the broad show year one Miami. He's not built to be the Villain Lynn to always take the criticism and make it a positive. I don't think he's GonNa last with this approach. Well well well wait a minute. I'm going to be at the game tonight. You know what I mean. This is a potential finals match. Are we gonNA see. I'm disappointed to not see what actually start starting to loosen respect for what you know doing his low management absolutely not not one I know one thing about NBA basketball. No one gives a damn about November. So we're not even in a situation where he's on the game he does hold holds all we understand but look if you talk about value for dollar you're mad you spent your money but you respect the value. You'll get back if this clippers team that has never won a championship. Finally put themselves in that position. It's not about being nearsighted. It's not about short-term it's about the long haul Nisa mayor don well there are some fans who won't respect that process because they've only had two opportunities to go to a game regular season and although they may be clipper fans are rooting for the clippers as a whole they can't afford to go to playoff games. They can't afford a dough and so you do feel for them and it's not an easy easy situation for anybody but I will say this. The League knows about this like the the league. Contact the clippers to see what's going on the he's dealing with lingering issue it's this is not. This is not anything like it was sitting to Lebron's teammate. Anthony Davis who made waves in his hometown Chicago. This wait till it. A crowd quote. It's a possibility. He would consider joining the Bulls next season but yesterday they tried to walk back. His comments said last night You consider Chicago place for free or anything. Would you say I said that you know most on championship the Lakers. Oh of course. Everyone knows. I'll be afraid of next year and uh we'll see where it goes all right. Is this something enough you know this. Is this something man. who was the boys and Girls Club? I like Brian Gumbo. was there with the glasses. 'cause knows what kids is almost money you make and you know when you get those shoes and can I get a pair and he over there dropping these bombs tell you why this is the guy who knows what his money's GonNa look get look like in both situations so it's more than money that he's considering. Why is it a possibility? I give you a few reasons one as I was recruited to go to Columbia coat said do you wanna go to wear and carry the torch or go somewhere and like the torch. Would you rather be the one that connects the Michael Jordan era of greatness tightness in Chicago to what you can do. Anthony Davis in your hometown or beating twenty fifth best Laker in history. And that's what's going to happen if he goes down here also also living in the shadows of Lebron and having to deal with the shrapnel that come from whatever Lebron is dealing with whatever falls on your lap who knows knows how this rod will go. This is not about their personal relationship. It's about the effect of his legacy and on his legacy will play Lebron. Who wants to be the the the share of this greatness? When you know you can go somewhere and be the carrier of it all? You're just hoping for chaos. There's nothing there you're not the answer. Let me let me give let me give you an example. Let me give example all right a few years ago. My partner grew up with start as podcasts. CAST starting it from scratch no following no nut these. He'd come on my guess. I'm not sure I'd get. Oh so here we talk all the time so I'm getting too comfortable where I'm talking looking. I'm saying some things that I probably say it the next thing. I know what I said is being aggregated all these NBA size. And I'm like Oh shoot I'm like oh aw but the point is I said it in a small venue. Just be a little bit too. Careless and too comfortable Davis was talking with kids. Believe you say what do you believe. Believe but if it was something that I believe wholeheartedly I would have had to report to you know so so this is just taught the monks home. He slapped my twitter feed no seriously. I don't tell serious that's weird. That's real that's the way it was like. We Anthony Davis sending around bunch of kids. It just isn't Chicago we've seen this whole will tell you why something I'm GonNa tell you why I think what he's basically saying is. I'm here for one year to win a championship and we get this is championship. I'm out I've done my job. I got the broadest championship. I lived up to what I told rich. Paul and Lebron I would do and then I'm Outta here. He's I think this is is something I think. It's an indication that he's a one and done for the Lakers. Perhaps in his mind I I think that he feels a little bit hoodwinked. Talk about what was all was promised from Leonard to his number two four million dollars a year to give up and he's got a low middle. nope I'M GONNA do this year. I'm I'm GonNa do this time. I'm going to do it in a way that gives us a chance to win a championship. I want this championship and then I can go home and try to build homeless November without any Shea. Hey remember the four million dollars in the process in pursuit of gone. This is not the first time he mentioned incorrect. The door open about Chicago being at home. How the Mecca of basketball? And just be real. I've been in these situations and you've been there before when you're talking to the kids it's layup and at worst of layup and they ask you some little softball question and you go there. Why did you go there because your intent? What you're thinking about what's on your mind is going there? He easily could have deflected this conversation but we went to that place for you. Don't take no other judge. My columns enjoy my tweets with locking Wiley joined once again by Bucky Brooks and Eric Mangini most fearless discussion. Sports all right. Let's return to a couple of quarterbacks ax headed in different directions and Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson. Yesterday the Carolina Panthers Placed Newton on injured reserve ending his two thousand nineteen season and calling calling into question his future. As a franchise quarterback moving forward over the course of his nine year career cam reached the highest of highs when the two thousand fifteen. Mvp Award and carrying carrying the path to the super bowl during that same season camp played in three pro bowls earned first team all pro one time and has earned roughly one hundred and ten million dollars. allers it's a rock solid professional career but I don't think anyone would argue. The Cam reached his full potential. He won the heisman trophy. Was the number number one overall pick in two thousand eleven and entered the league with as much hype in potential as John. Elway Peyton Manning and Andrew luck cameras done as an elite a quarterback at age thirty. It's fair to say his physical style of play limited his career shoulder surgeries and now a foot injury marred his prime years this this makes me wonder about Lamar Jackson who is in the MVP conversation because of his remarkable running style just four years ago. Cam was twenty six dabbing unveiling the Superman S. on his chest is camped career the ceiling from Jackson. We started the show arguing whether Kirk cousins tells us. That's all we need to know about Dak Prescott Future Does Cam Newton. Tell us all we need to know about Lamar Jackson our guys Marcellus starters out is Cam Newton's career the ceiling for Lamar Jackson. No it's not not at all. We have to use our imagination when we're talking about Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson is just different Cam Newton came into the league. There's a false bravado you get. When you're built like a Donnas you think that you can bring the contact bringing in the pain because you can deal with the pain and I remember talking to work done? When he first got league and looking at him I was like how you going to do it? I sing you do it at Florida state. But how you going to do it and then I'll watch them play and then a play against realize you're never gonNA get a clean hit on him. He's when your feet are in the air to make contact. His feet are still in the ground. Dodging that same CONTAC- back so I look at Lamar Jackson. As dislike Gumbo of a war does mentality would have an. Rg Three in the room haunting. You reminding you uh of the physicality of this game and Cam Newton to make sure that you're not deluded into thinking that you're going to win these contests in terms of contact. And then Mike Mike Vick just sitting there mentally a fully prepared Mike Vick. As Mike Vick went on record said he wasn't prepared in Atlanta and then he had a balanced attack when he got to Philly and I think all all of those mindsets are now coming together in one Lamar Jackson with a different skill set and by the numbers. Let's not even have this comparison. I love me some Cam Newton and y'all know I do but in his MVP year. We're still seeing a more accurate. Better runner and Lamar Jackson. Then Cam Newton lower more accurate yet more instead we WANNA know listen more accurate passer and a better runner than Cam Newton and his MVP year in career career versus Lamar Jackson career. No major statistical categories were cam is looking better than we'll Lamar Jackson showed you in this short run. Yeah I definitely understand and we are saying about looking like an Donna's having that false bravado out had to deal with for a long time I think the the issue here is is this. This is a an incredible fit. The fact that Lamar's with Greg Roman is the perfect fit. Greg Roman put the system in a play and did it very well with Colin Kapernick. And this is the same system I was on that staff I saw. I saw how it worked and Greg Roman is one of the best that I've ever been around in terms of scheming up the running running game and especially scheming it up for a running quarterback. Now let's say Greg Roman gets a head coaching job because of the success that they've had I don't know if another offense coordinator is going to have that that type of fit with Lamar Jackson. So that's that's one concern. I have as a runner. He is a very physical runner and he takes a lot of hits. And that eventually is going to take a toll on Tom to Shawn Watson to me is a better runner and I thought he was a better runner in college as well and he doesn't take nearly the same type of hits. It's in the open field that that that Lamar does all that being said if the whole stadium knows you have to pass and the defense knows you have to pass and you've got to win the game doing that. Can he do that. If the defense doesn't hold up and they're down by a lot of points can he win the game throwing the football and that's a question that's GonNa be answered after that's answered. What's his evolution? Going to be like and as a as a passer because at the end of the game passing the ball is what wins in the NFL. Very quickly before we get to Bucky marcellus point in one. I agree with this. Lamar doesn't run as physically as S. Cam Newton. You think he does. Yeah I think he does and I think that that designed runs that they have them. Run are a lot more physical in nature. Nature there in between the tackles on. They're not all in between the tackle but there's enough and putting that extra pounding on a quarterback back over time takes toll and it's different than when you're running back because you don't have to drop back in pass you don't have to control the huddle you don't have to assess coverage is is. I think this is part of it. Evolutionary we're going to see in the national football league and I think they're more l'amour Jackson's that are available then Tom Brady's in terms of when you look at the a high school game you think the college game and you look at the way that that college produc delivers prospects. They're more guys. They'd played like Lamar Jackson. So I think what we have to do is we're going to get it across rose where. NFL teams are going to have to look at the quarterback position a little differently than maybe they looked at it previously instead of thinking a. I want a guy that can be like. Tom Brady played for fifteen to twenty years. Maybe he can play his rookie contract another contract and then we have to find another one when and you look at what Baltimore is doing it the way. They're building their quarterback room. All those guys play alight trace mcsorley or G. Three Lamar Jackson. So when you make that commitment it there. We're going to build around a running quarterback you have to go all in but you also have to know that that cycle is more collegiate in nature when you building so bucky. You're you're kind of arguing my point cam. Newton seems to be kind of on the decline in thirty s and so the ceiling may be Cam Newton nine nine years. Maybe not not in years and I think from a team standpoint. If you know that look I can get nine years from a guy that has athletic. Then maybe we had this and you love it then we build it a little differently. It gives us an opportunity if we think about this. We don't know what to cap is going to be but cost efficiency. This is has been quarterback on ricky deal less figured out build a team around it into it so now you just have to cycle the differently. I think two coaches point you may have to to dig into the college ranks to find those office of coordinators who can deal with these kind of quarterbacks because the old school. NFL Coordinator may not be able to continue nineteen to come up with creative ways to use them in a running game. We don't have the proper context to know the ceiling of the run quarterback because we never had the accepted fully of the running running quarterback. This is the first time we saw commitment now. Only in who you are as a player and you're attributes but the actual organization trying to support that and office coordinator Nater trying to run that philosophy so we can look back and look at Steve Young. who was maybe a little ahead of his time? But if you look at Steve youngest interested in being a running quarterback back being acura but not daily accurate. His accuracy is the same as the more Jackson's percentages. But it's a whole different league. And that's a whole different. NASCAR BEAUTY Steve. Young's probably the most accurate quarterback the NFL's ever seen but go ahead. I would disagree with that but we can have that conversation. I will say that. He wasn't even fully fully supported he had to run against apprehension internally before even dealt with the defenders. Lamar Jackson is not going to face that. So now we're going to see as you said the next next are coming and I don't understand this and I'm a former defender. Why wouldn't you want your quarterback to have these attributes? It is just because you're gonNA tell you I'm I'm GonNa tell you. Why did they get hurt? The fear of injuries one but they all the number one reason. I'm just for me at the collegiate level. There was GONNA be three or four four times a game where I was going to see stars I would imagine that the NFL level. The guys that are in regular contact see stars regularly quarterbacks six. It's one thing for an offensive lineman defensive lineman running back to see stars. It'd be light hit. It's a different one from the quarterback who has a turnaround get to play. Call think about what eleven guys are GonNa do. Think about what the covers going to. You can't be regularly seen stars and operate efficiently at that position and every time you run that guy out there as a runner if you do it twelve times a game I get. There's about three or four times. He's going to be seen stars after the play and it is in addition the winning gets hit in the pocket. I think that's where turnovers happened. I know this guy hasn't done a lot of turnovers Bra. But that's what concerns me is just. You're trying to have a chestnuts. What's with the defensive coordinator in the quarterback is a part of that? It's hard to do it when you're also out there running exerting that kind of energy as a runner and I disagree with the narrative that we I haven't seen this Colin Kaepernick and this system that was that was the system. The system we're seeing now was a system that that we ran in San Francisco. So this isn't isn't some revolutionary new idea and the running quarterback has as Taken a much more prominence. I'd say in the last five to ten years than they ever did so. I don't totally agree that things are changing that dramatically but at the end of the day it's a passing league and when your defense can't hold up and you're down by fourteen or you're down by seventeen. Can you dropped back to pass. Throw the ball and win the game today surpassing league when the beginning they was running league and they told us and was runner. League is not a rule making against what they changed them before they contain to begin. Lavar ARRINGTON Buckey Brookshire back. Let's move to Baker Mayfield. Who season just keeps going from bad to worse? Baker has spent his entire career talking trash to anyone. Anyone who would listen but now he's the one being called out on a regular basis by people around the NFL including Dolphins cornerback former. Rams cornerback. A keep to lead on the heard yesterday I think as he as he matured in. NFL He'll be able to go to his read. More even more of a one re guy going Ri right now and star scrambling and then he was at work on a scrambling scrambling always a right. We had in our game plan. He's GonNa Scramble to the right. You don't look at where receiver and he's GonNa Scramble Right so are rich. Plan was was has gates for somebody to scramble to the right. So we Lupin guys we lupin guys to our left so they can meet him when he scrambles to the right. When I heard this yesterday on the heard my first thought was like Oh man this open open season current? NFL players don't talk this transparently about current NFL players. Baker Mayfield. All that smoke has attracted did smoke. I think his peers in the NFL. He's he's alienated himself from his peers in the NFL. And I hear something different I I hear two things things one the price of fame and to a self fulfilling prophecy. That happens when you look for problems. You will find them no matter what so. So let's give you the proper framework when you're successful or anything. Everything will be average to good. We were rounded up. When you're not doing well we around it now and what's happening right now is we're rounded down case in point talk shows you go on? They don't WanNa hear about every quarterback. They WanNa hear about certain quarterbacks famous quarterbacks quarterbacks so therefore when you talk about famous quarterback they're struggling within that framework we're gonNA round it down and that's would keep did when we're talking about someone who's doing well we're gonNA around it up we're GONNA go with that flow in that hurt so there's two things that are at play one. The quarterback star really are horrible. That don't don't have that star quality. We'll bring them up so we don't know how bad it is against him amongst their peers. But when you have a guy in this moment when you could kick him when he's down no was was even kicking they just take it. Another step is matter of fact. This is what he does that is leading to his failure. So I didn't read it like that and I read it like when when you are somebody you better stay somebody. 'cause you turn into anything less. Oh the avalanches coming. Well I think for Baker Mayfield. I think you have a bunch of different things at play but I think from a player even from an evaluation standpoint you have. Gaza didn't really believe that he was a number one overall pick because he didn't necessarily fit the prototypes types. The guys that we typically see go number one overall the Andrew looks to Cam Newton. They have certain physical traits that enabled you to be like okay. I can see him being the best in the game when you look at Baker Mayfield. What was this special quality? He wasn't athletic like a Michael Vick. He didn't have size like Andrew Luck in those other guys. He had the army but he was an exceptional when it comes to his arm. Talent so net. What you're seeing is a correction when you're number one overall people expect you to be able to make all things right? And he doesn't have the talent to make the Cleveland browns right. That's what we're seeing on the biggest stage popularity and the fame connected to him is alienating him. It certainly is. And it's for no other reason than the lack of production when we're talking about would've keep Philippe sit. Well look at it from this angle. He's not as he's not a proven star in. Nfl what has he done what what would give us. Bless you to talk about him in a way where we're putting him. And you mentioning the quarterbacks quarterbacks names that we wanna hear we want to hear Baker Mayfield's name wide based off of potential. We WanNa hear his name based off of the roster roster. That's surrounding him we're not we're not wanting to hear about him based upon what he's accomplished and I think that that's where we're running into a real serious. This is like a critical mass situation. That's developing developing with Baker. Mayfield because I'm just wondering you you're looking at his facial expressions in the way he's handling interviews in the way his play is almost like literally it's it's taken. It almost looks like an emotional hit. I just wonder under. Can he hold up. Forget alienating himself with his style is his stout rapidly deteriorating him emotionally nationally enough where he can't be successful for himself and he's definitely should. I'll say it is to your point. This isn't a great enough trubisky was he the number two pick. Yes yeah the number. Pick if trubisky had been as Brash Baker if he had done like with Josh. Rosen Rosen did on draft there. There's mistakes made in front of me. I think people would be coming at Mitch trubisky the way they are Baker Mayfield. He's brought this level of smoke on himself. Because I think if you ask anybody about trubisky right now a current player they would dodge and see us us everyone else. We've we will. We've started to take Louis. It'd be real one Mr Bisky. They went eleven games last year in the playoffs and should advanced if the kicker kit so we're sitting there like Baker Mayfield broke. Peyton Manning's passing touchdown record as a rookie. So we can't act like he hasn't done something not enough up into pot but something but this is almost like celebrity driven. This is not about his brand fire. Awful they firing off because he is popping. This says out chasing one on one and we're all guilty of it when you hear of a celebrity cheating you like. Oh my God you talk to somebody. He's the devil. He's the worst person and then you go outside and no one cares. It's your neighbors the cheating and hey bob you know you. You look past normal Z.. To Find Wuss up there doing the same damn thing that you're doing so we don't care about Mr Bisky respect to call a cow boy if key come on our show wait Mitch Trubisky. We may feel so we're not going to hear the dirt omits. It's because no one's digging for Mitch. But they're digging for Baker and he's giving them an also add a piece of that is the whole Oh. BJ factor I told Ya this when I was first coming on the show opie Jay's brand exceeds the NFL he's not having a great year but his brand is not taking a hit it. nope y'all know that this brand is just fine. We may not be looking at him favorably. Like oh best absolutely but he is on. Aw He's in a whole nother stratosphere as a brand and Baker Mayfield might be a target on not as well you talk about cloud Jason. I'm GonNa Cloud Chase Chase. You may not even be able to get your homie. Might be might not be able to go head to head. Go Toe to toe and where would be J. But dais or come your way because I no. You Ain't got it the way that he do they might be going out to him. He might be guilty by association. I think one thing that you can relate to your top pick when you were drafted as a top. Pick the expectation that you can be a goal. Jackie guy that performance and those expectations star from day. One at some point Bacon Maple has to live. I'M JIM is here to help us talk about our approval ratings for Kirk cousins all right Neil Armstrong. Who's your big dummy? Hey man big dummy. Today those to the person that said enjoy my columns and judge my tweets so the way you don't write columns no more and nobody likes tweets. Let's talk kirk cousins. Who Were Day on this? Show hands got a Dallas for a showdown with that Prescott cowboy Sunday night cousins struggling prime time games going six and thirteen in his career Marsalis. LSU think he puts an end to those struggles. Sunday's struggling prompt off. Forget that this is talk about playing against winning teams five and twenty five in his career. ooh One and two this year and one of the losses to the chiefs. Were Matt Moore Care for the prime. Time is a good team. Chances are you should bet against KIRK COUSINS IN TROUBLE I. I'm betting on kirk cousins. This week to break district worked. And I'm I'm just now thinking about Maybe the stupidity of that but anyway house sounds Jimmy Buddy. Go your thoughts on Kirk cousins who I compared to season four of the wire nephew. Yeah need to help a little bit. How in the Hell did you get that Prescott and Kirk Cousins Mixed Oakland an analogy of war? It worked. Look Man. You GotTa admit that's a hell of a strict. That's the biggest reason that prayer spanks you've got on lack triple eight looking okay. Mom I'm GonNa tell you something I I just WanNa say about my man kirk cousins. I look man. The obvious comparison for Kirk. Cousins is is the most famous Kurt in television history. Captain James T kirk go from the stocks for from the Star Trek Enterprise. Yes original not that dig deep space nine crime. Fake look man. I love me some captain Kurt race and to be honest with you nephew he remind me a lot. Are you ruining. He wasn't perfect. Okay and every week he would go down to some Klingon infested coliseum and get hit almost get hisself self and everybody else killed his cell what he got to do he got he got a call. Scottie miss the spot who who's fine. Okay I love to get his ass out of trouble okay. But the fact of the matter was us. He had the ability to delegate power. And that's why he's the captain and that's why he gets paid like a captain kirk cousins i. Ah Iran are a little bit of what he do he calls up the homeys. Stefan pigs. Dowling Cook John Randall. emojis come running coming to the rescue. And what happens. Captain Kirk display. Just like you in the show. You say what you want to is the leader of a Yeah I've heard is pre game speech. 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#110 - Billy Durney

"The comment. Now. The need. No, the aid now I got job, bad deputy buckle razor on. They attacked on within two on Texas on the land to be catching. Catching hell. The. New York City. I hear it never sleeps. If you cook barbecue, you know, the sleep isn't always an option hard work. Sometimes means losing some sleep. Now, if you're looking for hardworking people New York is not a bad place to start. If you're looking for Texas barbecue in New York City, you only have a few destinations. In fact, one of the best spots isn't even on the island of Manhattan. It's in a small neighborhood in a corner of Brooklyn called red hook the restaurant hometown barbecue. The own creator Billy Dernie Ilie didn't start his life wanting to cook barbecue. He worked private security for celebrities and traveled all over the world during his travels he discovered some barbecue while in South America and traveling through Texas. His most memorable stop was eating at Louis Miller barbecue from then on, he knew he'd quit the road and start cooking, billions known for his big heart when he was building out his restaurant, the first time in twenty twelve hurricane sandy destroyed everything in the building, except his smoker. Even after this, devastating loss, he lit the fire started cooking. He fed the people of red hook for days with donated meat while everyone was rebuilding after the storm. He even told me he had twenty minutes and we ended up talking for over an hour. He's a great friend of Wayne Miller, who is also a great friend of the show. He's a huge sweetheart who loves his life. He has nothing but amazing things to say to all the people in his restaurant and even dragged in his pit boss, Michael common to talk about their experiences of Memphis in may. He's a great man. A generous man and someone who I love running into on the road. So please enjoy this phone conversation with Billy Dernie at hometown barbecue here with Billy Verney at hometown. Barbecues off feeling. Good. Yes oversight to be trying to wrap up some wine tasting today as you can see. I have my, my whole team here for the next project doing call red tavern. So today's eight hours straight of mine testing. Like we're up to about one hundred seventy skews for the wine list would just trying to fill a couple gaps. So, so from ten AM to, you know, five or six at night. We'll be testing over a hundred one does that feel like let endeavor that kind of like a perk of the job. I mean, I mean, we're, you know, wine is definitely become an obsession for me over the over the last five or six years as did barbecue kinda hit me both the same. So when I get in, I get in all the way and this is what happened. So. Guys. I'm tasting with today. Jeff porter is one of the, you know. Fought leaders on Italian wine in America, just one in general just left his job at you'd company corporate as the copper winder, huge company, and Kenneth was, who's gonna be our som- that read Attaran. Comes from Lupu, which is really Wellman restaurant here, near city and say he'll be running our front of the house. So it's exciting to just be with them. And yes, definitely a perk of the job. But it's also you know, we tasted eight hundred wines and only twenty senators wind up on the list. So I wouldn't say, bad wine, which is not what we're looking for. So, but yeah, just like barbecue hit me, many, many years ago, won the wind bug hit me, and very particularly national by wines that are. That are farms really responsibly with minimum dimension for rush here hometown. We have a really significant wine program in place now as well. Which obviously, as you know, most restaurants around the country really focus on, on wine. But I think actually is the best thing that pairs with barbecue this so many fatty meats and you need, you know, they acidity and some fruit, sometimes cut that. So personally, I think it pairs best with it. And we spend a lot of time trying to get people on board here, you know, we very busy at the restaurant, but, you know, when it comes to what people wanna drink, I think they still think whiskey or beer when it comes to barbecue, and although that definitely is the Americana stance, and there's no one more Americana than me, but, but it's just not factual, the wind really pairs well barbecue. So been I've been working with a couple of guys and. Texas, my friend, Jason his over Texas, wineries and he's been getting wine into a lot of the really kind of classic barbecue places. So it's fun. I mean it's super smart. I mean, especially, especially the people are forming responsibly how it all happened really was. You know, we source the best meets in the world. To cook here at home town. And, you know, we had this crappy wines, that were sprayed with her, besides pesticides, just had no real soul to them, as far as the farming was concerned, so we were paying so much time being responsible to farmers for our poultry for our beef or four for a lamb, but not really considering the fact that the grapes, that are farmed and harvested way where being carelessly handled so that kind of started my question to the farming aspect of it. And as I started to learn more about it, it really made perfect sense. Just depair our food form by some of the word farmers in our country. I recall surely the same way as we would drink all wines. That's kind of all started. And then, you know, once you start tasting some of these wines knowing the stories, a lot of these farmers are husband and wives mother daughters. You know many multiple. Apple generations, especially the ones in France. Many multiple generations. A lot of people who used to farm, conventionally, not even the old guards, you know, starting in the in the seventies through the nineties have been changing their practices throughout the most important parts of France like burgundy and stuff like that. So when you guys from the Cote d or changing all their concepts, that it's natural biodynamic farming. And now the New York Times is writing about it. And, you know, everybody's writing about it, how important it is that we, we. We respect the way this one eight so. Kind of kind of my deal, as far as what's going on here this morning. And do you think that the natural process that really paying attention just like barbecue it brings out the flavour it really changes the taste of the one? Yeah. For sure. I mean you get to complete terroir, right? So, so if your if your drinking wine from soil, like mime stone, or, you know, when you have that get that morality or winds from Sicily that from EDNA that of all conic and you're tasting all that within the, the wind because the wind is unin to being with. I mean, sorry the land is on into bean with so. Other than introducing other by divers things like other little animals or stuff that eat funguses like that. You'll you're going to get the true sense of what the grape is. That's why a lot of national phone juice. Because essentially, it's for mental juice in ferments, all different. Two separate things. There's, there's farming and his winemaking the farm issue normally the same people. Do it. But, but the practices are very different. And some, some really great farmers also than you utilize the greatest practices, well, in the winemaking himselves, like not introducing much soul. Fervor. Just adding additives to preserve the wines and stuff like that. Most of the wines, drinking are really fresh and the vintages are within three years, three years. These aren't wise you hold a longer time. So, but yeah, you get they definitely get the truest the truest form of the great because getting the exact how're from wherever that is in the world. You know, is it southern exposures wind coming off? We'll show is it is it close to the scene. He do. You'll have a lot of so in your wine, just some of the lines that I love the most salinity have salinity and acidity and mineralogy. I think those are the ones that actually pair best barbecues this stuff that's kinda gripping sitting in. And so you just spent what was it like three days in LA I was there for I was there for about five days when I got, like I got to see some friends and stuff before kicked in. LA LA always have kind of a special place to me in my past career I spent a lot of time saying Lous on an off there for long. Periods of time. And now I have a lot of friends and family that lived there my brother-in-law lives there. My, my wife's best friend lives there. And I just have a slew of friends there. Chef friends friends to log on from my past career. And yeah. I mean, I think I think. You know, it's so funny people talking about this New York barbecues, that's kind of taken off. But really it's loss Angeles team. I think it is. I think the quality that's coming out of the Los Angeles right now is, is really at a high level. And I'm really happy to see that because the one thing that's important to me about the future barbecue or what my position in the world of comedian community barbecue is is to pass on the message that I think that. Buildings that look like this hundred year old buildings. That looked like honky Tonks aren't the future of barbecue. They're definitely the past barbecue and what we all love about history of it. But I think I think when moving on, and I think what's happening now is. And we would definitely you know, one of the first people who produce it was the fact that I'm a street Brooklyn. It didn't make sense for me to make, you know, east Carolina's fide style pork or Texas for that matter. We always joke around with all my friends in Texas. And you know him. Very fun and have a lot of water friends, and Texas absolutely valley say, I don't know how I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know central Texas invented salt and pepper. You know what I mean? So I say that jokingly but we, obviously pay Masha, it'd be Louis Miller and, and in brisket from from central Texas here, but everything else in the menus multi-ethnic in. Yen in. So we have we have, you know, tacos, pressuring we hand make from scratch, and every single morning. We have economies land belly in Korean sticky ribs. And just all these things that represent, you know, the, this the smells and the places that I was around as very young boy, growing up in east flatbush Brooklyn. So I wanted to be able to use those same woodfire cooking techniques that they do. And in central Texas. Eastern Carolina that you places that I love the most as far as barbecues concerned and. And, and then manipulate the flavors, the multi-ethnic, you know, communities that I grew up living. So, so that's kind of what you see here. And I think my hopeful future barbecue is that it is that, that people take in. Good Julian, I hope that people take in their own cultures and then and their own experiences and then show that through their food too. I would say you know as talking was just in LA, and I like the fact that I like the fact that burp from truth underground doing for stromming. You know, I wish you'd even you know, push more, you know, human I've spoken privately about Mike him really interesting Israeli routes into its food, which I think could be extraordinary, extraordinary when it comes to smoke meets all those players, matchup and pair perfectly kind of like my agent appointed and stuff like that, that I brought into my barbecue, and I think slowly show he's, he's seen that he's going to do that. And then, you know, these guys moose craft Ricky really impressed me. I think they were I mean all impressed me for different reasons. But I really liked that they tap into their that heritage and that, that the sausage publ on. Oh, sausage was was extraordinarily. I thought the taco is really, really interesting. I just like the fact that that's happening to their culture. I think Miguel doll from the same put the Mark on that when it comes to the Tino side of things, and then the guy's to 'em and some of the places around Texas, that have strong. On a routes started putting their culture. And that's what I'm excited about you got this Matt Horne who's making some Razi barbecue the highest level. I think they all start with parents playbook, and then they're all now which is buying and actually I had a big talk about that would iron while it's not big talk. But just like it was kind of interesting. I look down the line of pets, and like almost every single pet was a replica of, of his pit that, that he built, what is fair hands many years ago. And you know, personally I think it's super flattering. You know what I mean, I'm sure he does too, in a way, but it has to be kind of weird for him to see that. I mean that was his created those things up. So to look down that line when we were in, as she, like four smooth. Offers and everything was like it was his pissed and then you know how how the plates made and. How briskets slice? It's like you know, I, I saw that in very specific wooden soldier fashion. Everything's in the perfect order, kind of place. I from Aaron. I don't talk about barbecue. I mean, we talked about a lot of other things. But when we first met, I definitely picked his brain, and that's the one thing I took from in. Without having any formal conversation about barbecue. But the one thing I took away. It was the fact that. Everything was identical every single time he was doing it. And I thought that was, I think that is the key to what we do a really high levels that they all have to every every part of the situation from the moisture content and the would to, to what's the environment inside the cooker and, you know, how how you're shoveling the and how you're distributing Kohl's, and all those things are done the exact same way pretty much every time how the briskets have spares have work. How everything is done is on the exact same way, every time if you open one of these pits these days, every, I mean looks like wooden soldiers every brisket is in perfect form every spares and perfect form. There's no messy NIST. It's and all that matters to the end result. So I think I wrote the playbook Lee. Well, we know he literally wrote the playbook, but it's kinda masterclass. Yeah. I just saw that actually today. I was in a call this morning in congratulate. I he didn't mention that to me. We were away but that's very, obviously Aaron not to talk about yourselves. So, but I, I was amazed by that. And I think that they couldn't have a better guy as far as that's concerned. I mean Aaron also does have a really easy way about explaining what he doesn't. How does it and, you know, I was super stoked when he wrote the book, which Orden McKay about barbecue brisket, obviously, I was already established doing my thing, but, but I said, I said you're going to see. The community change and people start making really really really high brisket. And sure enough, you know, now, you see around the country guys like Leonard at truth barbecue, I think, making some of the most world barbecue. Yeah. I think I think he's, he's very unique very special. And I root for him all day long him. And I clicked we've met and from far we talk and kind of consult a little bit as far as questions here. And there we both have. But I think I think he's he was one of the first guys I saw. And I was like, wow, that, that kind of looks like right out of that playbook. And but he's doing that most strawberry high level. And now when I come to LA and see these guys having the similar thing. And same look and you know, it takes a lot of work to get that fine tuned in like that. And he's guys have really soon. So. We're talking about all good morning. When we're talking about, like next big city with big barbecue. Cooks really LA is think doing some, some serious work. And so, you know, Leonard has a great crew. Well, of course, of course, we I'm useless, without my crew. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you, if you haven't heard this about me, I'm always trying to step out of these things and put someone else to talk about this stuff that's been doing the hardware. You know, I haven't really cooked here in years, other than internally I'm on the grill probably once or twice a week. And again, and I'm still cleaning, the bathrooms and stuff like that. The physically making the barbecue might common was the executive hit guy, or we don't use that NASA word in this building think it's the silliest stupidest term world that guys. Yeah. Bombs pit bosses. Fire myself. I tender, you know, literally says that on my business card tire maker, but for me they deserve all the credit. Chris literally, we need five six thousand people we can, they're the ones doing heavy lifting off. So I like to put them in front of it as much as possible. So when you talk about the crews, and, and the people doing all that hard, real work, you know, you can't forget you can't forget the the clay cow gills, and they I can keep going on and on. But the bronze and. All the guys in the back. You know, I really watching to meet mighty Joe him guy that works for Leonard. And he worked in Austin. He's the kind of do that will work sixteen hours because Joe him show him but we call mighty Jillian Evans. I actually don't him that. Well, he's, I mean, togue about a perfect example. I mean Eboni became friends years ago. I was I, I coming out, and I think he was really interested in the fact that I was doing a lot of out of the box stuff and look at look at where he's come from. I mean, I remember visiting agreements thinking, you know, while the stuff's really good. But what's, what's, what's, what's next for this guy? Of course. I think he's I think he's really setting the trends of, you know, we don't like being called new world barbecue this barbecue whatever I don't believe in all these titles. You know, but the fact that he's cooking some of the stuff he's cooking. And again, in his multi-ethnic ways, and with, with less popular cuts and stuff like that. I think is really interesting. And, you know, I'm not gonna say who I send people, too. But he's definitely one of them when people going to Texas where I'm sending them because I think his stuff is very unique. And again, you talk about a team, you know, Chudy, maybe. That those three or four guys and then several women obviously, you know we're super. That's that is tight knit crew as you're going to get in the barbecue community, whether it's seventy people running that whole thing every single day. So I think evidence the future definitely of what's happening barbecue. And. The borders are kind of falling down, what they should be. I mean I mean you know, we, we didn't, you know, I mean they do this we call this our cuisine. But, you know, people cooking on fire hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years ago, all around the world, I less than so, I think what happened in central Texas, especially with the Czech German community coming and the curing of meat. So because we didn't have refrigeration I all that is, what got really me. Hoping tomorrow, McCue was real unique. And, but we have to have more worldview, when it comes to barbecue these days, it's not all about, you know, pork or burning from Kansas City and. Or brisket from taxes. It's I remember when McGill doubt opened up. Immodesty moved to the place that they're right now they had been partying I happen to be in Texas Austin, and I went to the party. And, you know, he was doing like, mar salad dishes would be rib and. Fish dish. And I was like, and he was like I just wanted to see that on, you know, like. I'm digging in here then put enough. They're putting out there and I was blown away. First of all, it was delicious. The first thing I I it has the taste good matter what you know. But Miguel and Evan and Leonard and these, these guys from from that region. I think are just totally changing the game. Now, people see, you know, when I stood even when I started making barbecue originally started making barbecue visiting Texas it was nothing in Austin, nothing. I mean pre iron, you know a year or two for Yaron probably right. When I moved there, right? I mean it was a wasteland. It is couple old places that, you know, knocking it around, but not really doing anything. Great. And I remember the first brisket I have have is at smitty and I was first of all walking in Smith as I walked into the parking lot exits, and I almost I almost sent my leg what at this point on this. I never seen an open fire before never ever seen anything like that. Well, it's, it's crazy. 'cause the fire is sucked in. There's no fire Bach to. Doc into a whole exactly, so, and I was I was I mean, that was one of the places that absolutely changed me. You know it was mid he's walking in that first time. And then, of course, you know, everyone knows the story of walking into. Changing my life forever. How always be indebted to. That police for, for giving me the, the will of the one, the courage to do barbecue in the middle of the 'Send of Brooklyn four hundred people who definitely didn't think I was gonna make anything work the shit. So, but it was definitely walking into that building and spires me and so many ways. I mean just. I just couldn't imagine that please. I didn't know that place existed before Israel slow because your smoke, right? And run by one of the smartest and beings not not related. Of course. He's smart barbecue. Relating foot just one of the smartest guys love meat and Wayne Miller. I mean. He's a philosopher teacher student, a lot of things. So, so, yeah. So that place always have the most special place in the heart will always be my favorite barbecuing world. I don't like talking about best best lists. I don't care about that, when, when people say about this restaurant, we kind of ignore it, you know, politely thanked them and move on. But we certainly don't believe in invests I always tell people, you know, best, like listen general are just kind of people that don't necessarily have time to urge us too lazy to explore for themselves. So I urge everyone listens show to not worry about listen to just try it guy agree completely. I mean I'm not I'm not not. I mean, I there's, there's only like one or two lists that actually matter in my opinion and the entire scope of barbecue. Because the people writing about them are really, they're embedded. They're embedded as embedded as you can be. But when I don't want to knock the social media, but when. Whomever writes their top dirty, and it's you know, it's every one of us laugh about it. No one cares whether on them or not doesn't really matter. I think. As you know, interviewing and now being friends with. Who are the best barbecue guy? There's not a lot of them. Then though is I remember I won't I won't say who I was with. But I remember having a conversation with the bunch of who I consider some of the best barbecue men in the world. Like him in. Twenty great barbecue places in the country, like one. Way we. And I was like, oh you guys having twenty really good meals and stuff. And like I think what that says is. How really talk about embedded how really in, they are to the process, and to, to what they consider. Really high. So. I asked everyone this we've got guys working pits on opening restaurants. What's your message to the, the people who just love fire meet, and are trying, you know, whether at home or in a restaurant to kinda elevate their doing why do you think you have to talk to you? You know, I mean if you're trying, I absolutely think that, you know, reading books and stuff like that and, and getting the maps as we've discussed already view of how the process works, once you do that you have to operate your heart and soul into it. Not it's just going to be a rip off or a copy of what someone before you in created. And so that's my thing. Nineteen might think for young people that are home in that are watching us, and that are saying, hey, while these guys did it if you watch the guys who are doing at the highest level. Now they've all created their own space in the market and. And are really tapping into their own diverse cultures and diverse ethnic MRIs. So for me, you know, take it slow it takes low, and I love the above the that central Texas concept where, you know, you kind of out costly mortgage. You're not smoking very you don't have that there, but oh, you do. Now, actually. No, no, they do. But you don't have that in Texas. But I think a lot of Arpaio. Yeah. Yeah. But I think those things are growing grounds like to see to get to get the pulse of the community. But I think the last thing, central Texas needs is, you know, twenty new barbecue restaurants that all look feel smelling Arens place, if I loot. S- what an even if it's that high quality because, you know, books are out to the map is out there for you to work, the master class classes. So and. I don't really wanna make it about him. You know, he deserves credit but, but when you see that when you see twenty thirty places then you don't really have to go to those places because, you know exactly what you're going to get everything time you go. You can find your own favorite one. It you know. You know, and go there it was a barbecue place that we got to speak the list. We named Ernest thing me in this barbecue place in semi kirwin, which I'm sure, you know. Yeah. And I don't know those folks, but they'll carlin's guys interesting. Yeah, I don't know. It's folks, we'll say a few years ago we're on the supposed to just happened to be an Austin. Like I say, I'm there a lot and have a lot of friends there. And I was there and I checked out his barbecue and I was amazed at. I mean, was there was a line, but it was like fifteen people on. And it was easy the quality of that barbecue that day was as high as the standard can go in my opinion in, in central Texas. When I ate, it that day at that time, they didn't know who it was. They weren't cutting me a perfect of anything they let rip. And so it was one of those things that I was like, wow. This is what I'm mean if there are people. If there's so many people, people that are uncovered, and they don't have four hundred people waiting on the line, with the quality this high. Then people really understanding, you know where they should be trying and eating and stuff like that. So. But I thought it was very interesting that one place that four hundred people on the line one place had fifty people on a line, and the quality was good angle places. You can get you can actually get good brisket Austin now till like eight or nine PM, and that's the other thing. And that's the other thing, the fact that and I know it's a cultural thing that, that barbecue is lunch and Texas. But the truth of the matter is, I mean, folks want to eat it for dinner tip. You know what I mean? There's a lot of people that don't have time. You know, there's a lot of places that have a lot of long lines in central Texas. So. I think that I think that what could be really interesting that these people start really importing than I think it's is style does that now does switch very Black's barbecue, right? And actually rolling smoke is a little truck on six straight. And he's three and can get me for two AM on the center, but that's amazing. I mean I chose out but. But there's nothing left at the guy. I think that's really interesting. I think that's you know, everybody, everybody jokes around like oh, you should open a bar restaurant in my this last place. And it's not first of all open, and that many restaurants, but. But it just doesn't make any sense. I mean, you know, even if I brought my own spin to what what I was doing. I don't think any moment at it necessarily central Texas. But I definitely think people should start considering the late night options. You know, people do really want to have that, you know, think about it a lot of especially families that they don't want to all share barbecue meal together and the evening. They have to somehow find a way to get it the afternoon. And then to eat it, not the way it was meant to be eight or they just can't get it needed as a family. And I and I think there's a business to be made had there that people are, are open serving barbecue through dinnertime. So I'm glad to see that that styles. And those guys are doing on, you know, it's cool to see you. You got his opening up here. You're moving out of state to, and it's, it's awesome to see everyone in the barbecue barbecue family growing so. Yeah. I mean. The thing is like you gotta leave your ego at the door the bar. The few. If you have ever not going to be in our crew. You see how close the people we run with our. And that's is no. There's no self promoters, within our group. You know, we're all and I think I think that's what the guys out in LA. Really learn this weekend. It's like, wow I you know we had reverence for these these folks, and, you know, sometimes people look up to disappoint you. I think they were really stoked that we spent so much time with them talking with them spending really quality time talking about techniques. And, you know, I know Matt Horne and I and, and then Machel Andrew conversations Martin from the warns the Nashville. One of the how are you? Good morning. He's one of the smart businessmen when it comes to the barbecue community. So I wanted them to be able to happen to having at as a resource to say, hey, listen, you know, you guys got this barbecue figured out. You know, how to cook it, you're doing some your stuff and your beaching in. But, but really, you got to know your numbers and really you gotta come really strong. When it comes to running your business and having a plan in place and knowing how to, you know, knowing, what peo- at PNL's are knowing what cost cost of goods are, and, you know, how to be a profitable business, and, and I see them all kind of deer and headlight saying, why I'm not sure we thought of that. But so I think that Martin is a great resources in our circle of family for the young group of of, of guys and gals that are about to get into this brick and mortar game because it's not easy. We started our block at game or cinderblock pick. Yeah. See his pit. Yeah. I didn't think he was going to cook the ribs in the timeframe that he did. They got it done. Yeah. They were a little weight. I kept hearing a one of the Gaza events that is are not in his boots yet, and I get laughing because I say either never going to be cooked inside, and then we're going to be, but I will say eight them, they would delicious very good. Well, speaking running businesses, and then you have to go try with the one yeah, yeah, yeah. More ready into the second one I've missed. So my team my team is going to actually they're going to be fine with that, too. Great wine mines there. I got a great team around. I couldn't do it with, you know, from, you know, my dad was very specific when we were growing up, treat the guys weep in floor more important than the boss up top. And I think of dappled that concept here, so we treat our dishwashers gonna treat our GM's and everybody's kind of an equal bunch crew here, you know what we're proud of the most my head cutter who's going to get promoted like more of a management position started at nineteen years. My dishwasher. The number two pick started as my dishwasher, as old and pretty much since day one, they've been with me on the six years. Six years, and I can go on and on and on. So we're really, really soaked about the fact that we keep it as in houses possible, Mike, Mike, who is the head picked guy is not going onto the corner director, kind of all the businesses. This guy deed, Gill. Who was started here, the bartender. He's Ozzy guy from Australia down out. One of the nicest guys in one of the nicest humans you'll ever meet, Dave is something of a prodigy to be honest with you. He. Much like when I first started to come hands on barbecue. It just felt very easy. Felt like I understood exactly what the texture should be team is very much Sammy started here as a bartender, and you could see was really when we have quiet days, particularly in the wintertime, I put on contest here like the best burger or fried chicken, not whatever, and everyone's involved, the dishwashers company dish, everybody can good dishes. Not a lot of people in the building. So we just have fun. And during those things I kinda see see him face start to light up when he was putting flavors together and you know, it's so funny now, you know, six months we started. He started in the pits probably six seven months ago. Maybe a little more than that, but he kinda has this really unique feel for, for what's happening. So, you know, another great story is speaking of Mike. Come on. Come on him. I. Are. We just talking about how a lot of the. The roles in the restaurant changing, and how we're really proud of the fact that. You know, our head cutter Jonathan who's going to move onto a management role here, as, as far as dishwasher. Jeff, you're number two for a long time. Start as a dishwasher. He's incredible job obviously, Dave Gill. Yeah. He started the bartender year, and I was going to be running at hometown. You know, and that's very, very serious obligation. And we don't you know, normally you, you know, as you know, you have years under your belt before you're gonna get an opportunity to, to run the pits at a restaurant in Texas, and Dave was kind of like saying Dave had a feel from the start. He was spending. He did as much as this is nece convene technical. It's about fit and caring. Declined the person fits in the grueling airs much they do. Learn. Could learn care as doing amazing. Never guessed from the day off or. I mean like he has his brother had was rock band together so between bartend Amy and are like, you know, rock rock musician. It was torn a little bit doing his thing. I never thought he'd have any interest in barbecue like this level. And then I think we took him we took him to Memphis in may. Right. I think that's what really got him going. We had them. We had them in Memphis and may one year cooking and kind of crazy. And it's having right now happening right now. I mean, see, I actually I'm, I'm not gonna Instagram site three days because I'm a little, I'm a little overwhelmed by all these barbecue vigils from Memphis, and so all my friends down in Memphis. I love you. And I hope you guys all have time, but we learn pretty quick that we, we weren't meant for Memphis, but, you know, the first while while the first year I got invited down to Memphis. I. Personally, I got invited down to Memphis. Was by the shed. Rat, ores razz, good friend of the show. Brad arson was like him abruptly came in. We'd love for you to come down and hang out with us and help us cook. And, you know, you can cook the beef category for us. And I was like, yeah, cool down. And, you know, I think I got like sixteenth or something fell year at like one hundred thirty people and I kind of was like, wow, that's pretty cool. Then we wind up getting fifteen whole hog. I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. They will call you have to come back next. You have to be part of this, and I was like, damn right. I got caught the bug bug and we went back next year and short shit. You know, I got a really low. I got a good call on. I mean, I think it was a top ten or something even then and then we won we, we went whole hog, and then we won the whole thing I was like holy shit. I got fifth first year and now we won the hoping the second year and then it becomes an my you know that I was like, oh, we go down. Yeah. So, so, of course, we went down. And we built the. Oh, spot you've ever seen it looked like state in the kitchen literally which is the door as we literally built a kitchen. So that was our thing wasn't like party place. We built an industrial kitchen. So we can cook, you know, we literally cooking dishes walking, we, we, we rented a brand new walk in which was great because it one hundred degrees. So we were just hanging out in there, every fifteen minutes of the hour just to cool off, and well it was all the things going on in clear, too. But. Cubicle. But yeah, everybody was keeping a cool in the court. But, but for, for us, you know, we entered like some of the sickest food we ever cooked in our lives, and they just didn't get just like, and then we like, we'll go back one more year. And you know we had a good time. I only want the last year. Okay. We did it one more time. And the thing about Memphis, it may is, is that when it comes down to it, you either stay with your own little crew. And that's what you do the whole time and kind of have bonding your own family. All you get stuck at a bunch of eighteen to twenty one year old rat parties that go onto six. It's crazy. It's crazy. And it's always raining there. So you'll always. So, you know, I, I hate trap music and all that music. So all you hear is that awful music kids, throwing up on the street? You know what I mean? I'm forty six years old now. I wanna be drinking wine and burgundy become a collection of front parties. Yeah. Build those three stories. Yeah. Loud. And I get it. I get why on my folks love it down there. But for me, I'm at the point in my life and my career where I want to really focus on the businesses and focus on spending time with, you know, the people that I care most about, and you know. That that's really is. So Memphis, although it's a great time and all that stuff. Passed me by. I think I think if I'm ever anywhere near in their Memphis, Memphis, man, my pop like one day, get out of there right away. It's funny. We used to get all I wanted to treat my guys like stuff that, you know, you don't really get on a daily basis. So we, we get we get rooms in the Peabody hotel hotel. But then I was like, I'm spending five six thousand dollars on hotel rooms, and we're never ever in the another. Yeah. You don't see, like oh, we're gonna see the ducks in the morning gonna do this. We don't see anything. I saw the duct to one time and it was like, get outta my way to the only the only thing you do. So there's a whole thing as you wake up on over you. You are in a comfortable room in bed, and then and then you come downstairs, and you walk to walk to the thing. And then about I don't know, one o'clock two o'clock in the morning, you're begging room service to deliver you Gruny's to the lobby. We've got twenty gronyea's to the lobby and they would bring it, you know, so funny the bar would stop, but they would they would allow you to auto room service thing. So you had like all the cliques of Memphis and may and the grown is this kind of our thing and. In Memphis amazing, click that we hung out and everybody. The so daughter twenty twenty five actually grown, he's white Russia. We do rounds of neurones after white Russians rone's after white Russia, and then it's four in the morning. Oh shit. I gotta gotta go. Pull barbecue at six thirty, and I'll do it all on. Well banger. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just it system. It's the budgets, you guessed the Bosscher it's, it's certainly nor Gretz having done it. It's not something. Yeah, I think I have such, you know, whereabout to bar on all these new businesses just like right now. We're focused on one thing, you know, so, but, but I'm sure that I'm sure time isn't right now Levin, thirty I'm sure there's a lot of good times happening in mountains right now. And bags gushes fried chicken eaten right now. The gusts fried chicken is crazy. The greatest everyone goes there for dinner that Wednesday. Thank you, Mike. Delicious, one of the best in the country for sure. You guys got one in Austin. I think it'll never be the same as seeming it and. The original original one outside is really, really special places while but the one on Front Street and, and Memphis is also just. It's, it's fun to walk in there and see, you know, fifty year friends, so all eating the same place and you've got to try some raise when we were in. I did. I did it was it was very interesting. You know, I'm not. We know about lines. We have a lot of lines years. Well, and, and then you're always, you know, not sure if it lives up to that kind of thing and. The thing that I'm selling pre strict diary, so I couldn't eat much it but I had. I had a bike very good. But the thing about thinking about that, that I thought was really interesting. That it like that doesn't work here. Like people that try to open a pow fried chicken place in New York, really doesn't doesn't. Doesn't connect with some reason my show, why. Because it's English. So good. But it was really interesting for me to see LA, and I think it's where they open, I think kind of like us I mean, being in the middle middleware. No weird spot. I thought it was such an interesting pick for where they opened. And I'm not sure who they original customer base was going to be, but, but it's, you know, God last I mean that they had to be, you know, eighty five ninety people or whatever on that line. And you know, everybody was super excited. And you know, obviously in the day in the age of. Graham, everyone was shooting photos of their fried chicken. And so, I think they have obviously, I think I know that something really good going on there and concept and something that they can like, have a lot of long Javadi with well. Well, I think you'd love Johnny Ray. Johnny raised about the same vibe as you he, I got to interview him ause there. He talks about not only how can he treat us employees the best? But how can he make the business bigger so that he can offer them something more than he doesn't wanna give them a ceiling? Once they gonna double. There's. Yeah. Mike, who is just here. Is going to be tied indirectly to the profit sharing of our AUSSIE, this new hometown, where to doing in industry city, it's much mall of this, but he'll be tied in profit sharing partner in that. And Mitch the guy that started as my manager, the general manager here, not hometown. It's now become a. Equity owner minor equity owner is all the business in all the businesses that's hometown downtime. Ben catering space, all everything we're doing except Miami's different partners. But, but yes, so we really, really strongly believe. And you know Pat Martin and I talk about this all the time. Pat's people who are moving with hand has pick people. That's what he's doing. He's putting in place in all these places, and giving Senator the restaurant, so they have a real strong equity share, and they feel real an action to company. So if you know if you go, first of all, you never go into the restaurant business to make money. It's not really the goal. But when you become successful, the first thing he should want to do is be to pay over the people are actually putting our earth. And that's why I'm so so important for me to Mike and Dave and these guys out front for people to know that, you know. And I know what you think is happening all the restaurants that you love. But the reality is, you know, all the mean people aren't aren't really doing all the heavy lifting anymore. We did you have to do it. I yeah, yeah. Yeah. He will. Yeah, you have to do it, you know, there's no choice. And when we opened hometown I was I was doing the full cook. I'd go to sleep. And then I come home and cut only we started service at five. Did you still live in the neighborhood? No, I right outside the name the ten minute drive away. But yes, we would stay up on the cook all night. The home spending hours getting some rests. You know, the, the meat was had a hold how to rest anyway. And then by the time we. By the time we got back for pre service. I was I was ready to cutting so, and I think it's important that you have, you know, that, that you do that you put your dues in and stuff like that. It just becomes a point where you have to ask yourself. Can I can I establish a team that can do this? So I can grow the brand in the business. If I wanna grow the rent, if I want to do that, and initially it wasn't I didn't wanna grow the ro anyth-. Anyone who anything else? I just wanted this one thing. But I think what happens is he realized that you have voice, and now you can make more of an impact on more people in that thing, that's an courage to me is the fact that we're gonna have go employee's wind up with all these new restaurants opening. You know, once Miami's opened probably go to one hundred poise to me. It's just I hope in this restaurant, fourteen boys. Same size. Same thing. I'm sure we're doing. We weren't doing the Baltimore but we're successful fourteen people do that. And some of those people bartender so it was only three of us cook it, so. Very, very interesting to see where we've come where we're going to this, this very stressful this time of my life. But it's also, I think over the next six months, Bill grasp, how everything's rolling and then eventually. You know, even just bounce from place to place to place, making sure that the standards are. We like to try to think of running this restaurant as a Michelin star restaurant. That does really simple home of. Doesn't mean that are. Standards can't be set as high as high as emission star restaurant. That's what we strive for every day. On, I think it's great because you can look back, and you can look forward and you can see that at no point. Like you were just lifting everyone with you. You weren't on the backs of anybody. It really taken. You've just given everything. And now you're here. So it shows the. I see it on the barbecue role. I, I didn't necessarily play through have show for years. I just thought I'd cover like fifty or something. But now that I'm in it, and now that I've been, I've known played for five years now, and it's just great to see the love covari of the family and, and just how everyone is working to not only improve their quality. But to everyone, I mean, you've said, hi, every single person whether there's an interview going like it doesn't matter because you need to honor your people. That's beautiful. These are the people that allow me to. Fi and spread my ways and do what I'm doing now. And you know, it was up to me. They'd all be on the same. You know, we'd all be on, you know what is up to me. We're almost ride together. So we're trying to set some really significantly standards for, you know, how the boys are treated here and. What they get out. I remember this year we weren't able to do it. But normally we do retreat or. Choice. Not to share a last year. We took everyone too late rented a whole. And. Kick some guys out. I'm very urban roughly. And we took him into the middle of a lake. By midnight, one o'clock in the morning, and it was a very, very clear night, and we shut the boat lights off. Look like you literally under the stars like you can touch. And one of the guys was weeping as like. I've ever seen the stars people. You know when you can touch back quite like that. Those are memories that things that happen in your life that are. Will allow you to go on and on and on and on. You know, you wanna keep making people feel like that all the time. So though is very unique that, that specific event happen because, you know, I grew up with three tough middle class neighborhood. But, you know, I wasn't to the point where I didn't know what up like go out the Pennsylvania. My grandmother, little double hiding Pennsylvania. We is it so but at least I got to see the mountains smell the fresh air and stuff like that. It was interesting. Guys, never had fish before they never, you know, camps before so to see them with their wives and like hanging out and having a good time. So we'll definitely get back on board with that this year. It's again and. You know, it's a really great bonding. You get to. It's so funny. It's, it's when. You know with all this. All this, you know, particularly with the Mexican community with all this political stuff going on and on a world right now. You know, it's kind of amazing to see the restaurant industry, how effective it's going to start being because. The people who are making some of the best food in America, particularly in New York City in some of the great restaurants in their city. Guatemala Mexican from all sorts of. Communities in their Hortus, working most devoted, you know, never calling sick. You know, and then you have the alternative, which is some privileged guy who's coming in, like every day's late to work and, you know, as no work ethic, and it's just incredible that we don't have a better system in place to. Adopt us people into our into our into our into our country into our world's legally somehow. I mean, they're proven they take pay taxes either. It's, it's, it's, it's just crazy. What's happening? So. It's hard having a big heart and barbecue. Yeah. I mean you know him. Listen, if you're if you're out there, and you're just you're selfish is trying to do to make money or to have a faint car to do that. Then to me, your dot. The need to check yourself on the community kind checks. Have you noticed that? Yeah, of course. I mean I mean, there's people in the barbecue community that I don't pay much attention to and. You know, we have a pretty small group of people the secret that same Jones. And Pat Martin to my best friends in life now. But, like, obviously we met through barbecue and. You know. I wrap it up with this. Had more in is. Have Marin Iran an interview similar to this? Pretty sure it was alive in to me. But it wasn't it wasn't videoed radio. And. And the, the woman who is interviewing said. So I know I know that you guys Barbie, guys all have secrets, and recipes secrets and stuff like that impact Martin, as quick as, as quick as someone to say it's quickest someone can be said, secretive. Guys. I don't have any secrets in things that serves up sums up our our crew of barbecue fan that if you're not willing to pay forward. If you're not willing to help you brother, a sister, that's having a bad time, where their place burnt down or whatever's happening in that in that in their life unity. Then you don't understand what this is, is barbecue is not a business barbecue is a community. It's a lifestyle. It's a it's a family. And I mean look look us than hazing operation barbecue relief does incredibly. The millions of people know. Yeah. Millions of first responders and families that would be suffering without, you know, who had some of the worst off their life lost their homes lost their loved ones, lost everything also can't have meal, these guys show up. Men and women just show up in. Hundreds of thousands of meals for them to have sustenance and for them to be able to have some kind of light at the end of their their day. So. You know, he's the perfect example of what's good. And. Community and, and those are the people we want surround ourselves with. And those are the people we want to. To support financially and to support. As volunteers. And if you're not with that program, we don't have a place in our little family here. And, you know, there are people that are just celebration within our community too. But I think I said, I think they get sought saw pretty quickly and, you know, they live. Lonely only existences. Well, I always hope that they can soften their hearts and be more generous Joyce, cheesy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for us, it's you know what else could we want? You know, sweet sit around fires put barbecue. We. Tell lies bullshit riposte shit, our ass. But that's what makes fun. Yeah. But we take care of each other's families and bond really well. With each other and. One real quick story. And then then yeah. Jonathan Justin FOX. I got an Email from Johns investing FOX several years ago. The Email said something like, hey, I don't think he no us here. Restaurant of it has such a great time. Our general managers ill, and has cancer which I am to get some of the best. Men and women around the country together to raise some money for this woman. And I'd never met him. Honestly. Never heard of him. And I don't I d it work and I just wrote on in, and then sent it off and didn't realize that those two words would have such an impact on them and me at the same time. About a day or two later, I got an Email back stating. Why our so happy that you're going to be there, and it's gonna mean so much a lot of people and just see know some of your friends there, too, and it was like Mike mills, Rodney Scott Sam Jones, Pat, Martin and on, and on, and on the wrecking crew of real or people. And. And I went out there, Mike. And I went out there. Because be rib. And we raised there really significant amount of money for, for that gal who. Unfortunately succumb to hurt her illness. But that in a nutshell is what we do. And who we are in the barbecue, community and world and not to mention that Johnson, Justin FOX to my dearest, friends, now and definitely to the most philanthropic barbecue on that you ever want to meet. Always trying to put their staff their team their immunity. I and. I think they're they're definitely a guiding force on on how they raise hundreds of thousands of dollars 'cause every year. In New Orleans. Just couldn't just couldn't be better people. And you know. So after two words, I'm in, you know, get a couple of great friends for life, and you get to change the life of a family, who you know, needed money, and time, and with that, that, that was like a big Terry moment for me seeing those people come together already been cooking. And a lot of charity events and stuff like that. But that wasn't really big impact on me. And then when she passed, and I knew that. The Bill in the bills, and some of the other stuff, we're going to be taken care of, you know, that had a real impact. And, and then what Chris Sheppard is doing Houston. With southern smoke. Pat and myself Aaron frankly. Our friend, Danielle Soto in from cosmic and. Here, you know. So many other great chefs came down and cooked in that southern smoke event and raise significant amount of money. And then about a month later from raising all that money, got an Email from Christmas team stating that being a serious traumatic accident with restaurant owner in town. And although part of the proceeds of that thing, went to a mess which is significant for us to tackle that disease. The other part of their charity is that all the money's Goto industry employees are often. There's cooks waiters porters busboys washers, everyone, you know, Senate a claim if you will tell us what your draws plus not me, but I'm what your issue is. They analyze it. Choose you money. And one of the guys was, you know, very, very so this guy who on, like I believe it a either sandwich shop, or a pizzeria or something. In Houston wind up. Getting thing was a really bad cycle accident. Remember we got this Email. And the mother was going to have to put her house up in order for him to get the carry needed in the hospital and. And Chris wanted to show the impact. Christopher is one of the great humans on the planet. He wanted to show the impact of that what we had done, and he said because of what you guys did that they were writing family. Check one hundred thousand dollars today, and mother is not gonna put her house up for sale and scissor heroes. Yeah. And not to mention Chris before we left gave Sam Jones thousand dollars for his community that had been a hurricane come through. In his his area was saved. But an area close by was demolished. And. And any give any gave Sam ten grand to be able to go hand that community to, to help with their stuff. So, so seeing these things as what we're trying to do. So, you know, Chris, and I and Pat Martin and Sam we're all working on putting those kind of. Principles and philosophies of, of philanthropy with what we do into our communities. So I know we're going to do southern smoke. Some sites that here in Brooklyn and I know pats going to do one in Nashville. Obviously, we're gonna try to do one with Sam. I think well with Sam SAM's opening up in Raleigh bigger cities. So maybe well, we've Sam to do. I think we're all now starting to really be interested in while, you know, we have some, some some, some success in a can go away tomorrow. But while we while the hot and law where you know on top of our game helped with many we can. So I think that's our mission. Now is to, you know, I'm in the process of canceling a lot of trips because of the restaurant opening in the conflicts and stuff like that. But Pat, Pat ni- been salmon I've been talking, and essentially, it's not emotional financial support. We're not really interested in. In traveling and doing all these things anymore. They just they just wear on you. They're all the same every time, you know, it's kinda like it's the same back of the house five is the same, you know, and they're all great near senior friend, having fun. But at the end of the day, we have we have our businesses to attend to, and so we're really curious really, really protective, but protective over time, right? Valuable valuable. So, so it's not emotional or really financial than when we're, we're kind of passing on a lot of the festival stuff and, you know, food phone fell food, food and wine vessels. Yeah, that's it. It's good to see you, brother. Yeah. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. More time or. I think we got more than we bargained for exactly. And I'm excited to be back in town this week to this come back so you can eat. The comment. No. The email. 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Lyn Woodward (Kelley Blue Book)

The Smoking Tire

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Lyn Woodward (Kelley Blue Book)

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We've got Lynn Woodward one of my favorite automotive journalists. She is back in studio. She did the rebel rally. The sort of all women's navigational rally. It seems pretty hardcore. And she's got all kinds of cool stories all kinds of pictures and it's always good to have Lynn Woodward in studio now on the podcast. What everybody what a fucking Qatar podcast on a Tuesday evening? Lynn Woodward is in the studio. Oh mercy and it's it is your style to be fifteen minutes early and I love that. Thank you love that about you. In Woodward Welcome to the program thank thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here again. superstock that you did not hate me enough the first time what does this hate you. I don't know I just I feel I feel like I'm just a really boring person. That's why y'all doing. We need to build her confidence confidence. What happened Gee I post it so I posted a link to this and I was like so if you guys don't have anything else to binge tonight what maybe watch game of Thrones House on you? Don't start from a position position of if you're that bored that's not a good place even if that is what you mean to yourself. Maybe some I understand I understand why you why so you would take a direction like that. But you don't deserve better feel like I'd rather be that person and Burson who's like I am so bitching just have to fuck in tune in. Yeah Yeah I just I listened to the podcast which is a history podcast and it's pretty cool. It's IT'S A it's I learn a lot about some crazy shit and I listened to the one yesterday about Frank. Lloyd Wright and Frank Lloyd Wright as it turns out weird motherfucker extremely weird possibly ran a cult the seriously and and used to walk around his property. He turned his property sort of an architecture. School there was also sort the cult and he would walk around his property basically just proclaiming. How great he was? And so you think like who the fuck would walk around just going like how great. I won't well. How do we have to talk about one one? Obviously we have one. And there's an off white but Frank Lloyd Wright and other people do you and then you know what happens like fifty years after they die. Everyone forgets they were a fucking raving lunatic. And they're like oh he built pretty house. Jesus here's the here's the deal with that kind the personality if you have talent to back it up if you're Frank Lloyd Wright and you're building some gorgeous duff I can put up with your bullshit attitude. You're eccentric fine. 'cause you're putting something decent out but if you're a dick and then you're just a hack on top of it I R- they. They rarely make it past. Have you been to Hollywood lately. Musicians like that musicians well not okay maybe not most. There are but that that personality type falls into the music musical category quite often like real like same. Go go maniac complete genius. Well that's why you think yell. He was. It's like okay all day. Long Prince Fine. Like 'cause Little Red Corvette whatever but yeah like you know Eddie Murphy. On comedians in cars getting in coffee implied that Prince's confidence was put on. He implied that he implied that Prince Confidence Like A. She'll Eddie Murphy Eddie Murphy. On comedians in cars getting coffee told a story about how he was not confident and how he met Prince and he saw Prince onstage wearing like atlas stockings playing guitar and then afterwards as France was nervous about how he looked on stage playing guitar. And he's like you you were up there and ask shops. And you're not confident about that and I found that to be very interesting. We can we pause on the Eddie Murphy thing for a quick second. Have you guys seen Dolemite is my name. Everyone said it was great. The movie is not great. It's amazing on Netflix. It is good good okay first of all. I had no idea that this guy was like a real guy. And he's totally a real guy but Eddie Murphy I listen I love those actors. Who just kind of melt into into a role and you forget this was on easing? He was incredible Garcia. Everybody and I'm not getting paid. But it's unreal poster. It's so good and Wesley Snipes is in it and Holy Shit. I'm in Plano. Wesley Snipes on this poster. No He's not at the top right is that was snipes. Wesley Snipes Ish on the top. Right sounds good. Call me a racist for saying that that same credit. He plays against character so much in this movie. It's so good it's funny it's smart it's got heart I've dated so you're seeing Eddie Murphy's in this in coming to America oh I don't know about that the team that show no he's just matured into a very fine actor and I loved this movie I thought it was fantastic. I WANNA I WANNA watch that Shit I saw. I saw Joe Joe Rabbit a couple of weeks ago which is really good hair that it's sort of. It's fucking weird. It's it's really strange it's high. It's hi it's I want to say it's high concept but it might be low concept it's basically same difference basically Nazi parody like there's the basic premise of it is is nothing to do with fucking rabbits. There's a little boy asked. There's a little boy in Nazi Germany K and he's like take maybe ten right and he sees everyone being Nazis like and he wants to be in the club like he doesn't understand any of the undertones tones of any of it. It's just like people in uniforms. They're all in a club. I want to be in the club. So he starts going to this like Hitler youth stuff and doing all this stuff and this is a comedy and It sounds light and what he has he he sees he has an imaginary friend his imaginary a friend is Hitler because the magic friend is a comedic played funny charming. Hitler sounds good. Yeah and you could see where this this goes you know ultimately. I don't want to give away the end of the movie but the Germans loose now but like you you know as a Jew. It's sort of like weird. It's like okay are we especially given what is happening in our country now the rise of white right wing national me Cetera like is now a good time to not a joke not but to actually I think is it too soon to humanize Nazis. That's really the question it's like. Do we want to think of. Nazis is like there was some good ones too. Like I'm not sure I WANNA thank But anyway anyway I recommend it sounds interesting. I'm hearing things in the background. No now I could've fucking imaginary Hitler. Sorry Hillary is telling me kill everybody. I think it's time to go door. I'll follow you out with your dolemite though. Yeah about that you'll love it. It's it's irreverent. It's funny and he just plays this guy who's like. Why can't I do that? I can't think of anything Eddie. Murphy's in that I didn't like Yeah I. You can't party all the time if it comes on professors where they're whatever the last one was. Hi Miss that whole that whole phase like Eddie Murphy playing ten different people though. That's yeah yeah yeah I guess so. That's sort of like tyler. Perry thing can and better than Tyler Perry although I think. I'm too white for Tyler Perry. I don't get pay although Maher Mar black trainer. He doesn't like Tyler Perry either so maybe it's not adjusted for AB. That's true. Amir might be too black for tyler. Perry it's possible. I doubt though I buy real translator at those types of things that my first introduction my first job no my first introduction introduction to Eddie Murphy was delirious so from that to Like the nutty professor. I'm like yeah I'm not WANNA see some real L. craziness. Here's the poster for rabbit which is pretty nuts. That's funny Scott Sam Rockwell kills in it so the everything. Here's here's here's like fun imaginary Hitler Giving Bunny ears to the kid. That's a good cast good fucking movie. Yeah yeah actually. We saw it and we were like. This is an Oscar thing they're going through. They're going for the really going for this one. That's an envelope. They're pushing cars. There are some there are some cars. I saw your your friend Derek. Today I shared a car with him today. Derek Eric and I drove an artist. Six avant together today I can't talk about for like two weeks okay. That first of all is a shame. And I'm sorry that you can't 'cause I I you know we've all been waiting for that car to come here to the America the diagram people who can afford it who wanted it and could possibly afford it. Were at at the drive today. So I hope you all purchased or leased signed up to put your deposit me and Magnus restaurants are looking forward to the used car market and fifteen years. Yes amazing yeah no so on everybody's post so obviously we have a lot of mutual friends. Who are in the the In the business and a lot of people who were up there reviewing the car today and the running joke was Derek. Powell is when you see any kind of Audi wagon like everybody copies him on it or goes. Oh my Gosh Derek. Have you seen this and so on every single photo. That you guys all posted you and Lieberman and Bassim and magnus everyone's tagging Derek. Even on Steve You just like Derrick Derrick there I think he I think he liked it. I can't drive impressions or embargo but I can talk to you about how looks pretty fucking awesome gorgeous. I look at that. It looks awesome. That one with the surfboard on it was the static display. You know what that car was no shit. That car was the backup for somebody fucking roll downhill or something on almost surprised that that did not happen today but he bore fucking mobbing. Today I actually launch was in Malibu so so I You know they're like would you like programs drive route number one or programs drive route number two and I was like I'm a local buddy. The German guy was like would you like me to navigations and I was like fucking two hours. Yeah all right guys. We didn't lose your super chats. Get in the Super Chats and talk to US worst. We're back in the hood. Lynnwood word is in the motherfucking studio and She does things with cars just like maw idea she rolled up in a fatty Fatty Montero. Shorty Shorty Montero. Nobody Fatty was Like a Kevin Smith Jason. Mewes what you need is a fatty boom batty blunt. Yes so that car right now I will say it's an eighty seven Montero. Its First Gen short wheelbase. I love that car. It is my only running car right now because everything else completely just shit the bed everything else. So I have a sixty six dots in a sixteen hundred roadster car. Love that car too but the water pump hump seal is busted. So that's going into the shop next week. I know right and then I have a I have a two thousand Thirteen Jetta Sport Wagon which is supposed to be the reliable car and I got into it last night. So I worked down in Irvine and I live in the San Fernando Valley which is the worst commute. Was it you or Mike like Harley who has a worse worse worse it was like another hundred. He's in Newbury Park when works in Irvine. But that's okay so I get in the car. It's it's laid. It's already dark. Leave a little late so I missed traffic. I got in the car and all of a sudden I turned it on in the the power steering light turns on and I'm like So the power steering went out. There are no other press cars there so all of were sort of lean right now on the press car tips. There's no no other cars and on top of all of it. I'd forgotten my security badge so I couldn't even get back into the office so I was just sitting in my little. My little wagon Do I do now. I had a very kind neighbor who came up and actually came down and picked me up I mean and then brought me home eighteen cars. Well if I did they'd all be broken. Except for the Montero the Montero's honestly like the reliable thing which is amazing and I say that because I have an old old Mitsubishi to well I wanted to ask how is Hannah enjoying it. So she she. She really likes the Deli. She gets annoyed when I take it from her. For things it It went in for a water pump. Serve I'm sorry. Timing handbells hiding Bell Stars which includes a new water pump. It's like it's actually like the only major service that you do on this thing and it's supposed to be every hundred K.. Thousand collaborators but like ours has forty thousand kilometers on it but like it's thirty years old so we just have no idea. Timing belt felt so so that was no big deal but I it took me a minute. The speedometer cable also broke so weird one but so it took me like probably a week week to source that from Canada. So if it's at the shop now it's been there for like ten days just 'cause we're waiting on the shit we're getting it back soon but she loves him. I love it too. It's great it's so that going to be a redwood entry in December made it can be her redwood entry. We have we have like many Rod. We have a lot of options. You can have your own personal redwood. Got The crown the bath. The bummer. Rod with this year is that it's not in the same weekend as my birthday which is in the past. It has been and so I've been able to have a party for like redwoods slash birthday which I can't I mean I can do I guess but it's it's either going to be one or the other rather be really got other plans for your birthday this year do you now. Are there plans birthday embargo. Aw Back so yeah. The Montero will be at Redwood. Nice that is a great little truck I love it. I'm excited for Redwood. Actually I think it's going to be a good one this year on the side. It with the delicate and Hannah's impressions on it. We figured out because remember. She had said she was unhappy. With certain aspects of the dynamics of Jag. Oh yeah and I think we figured out what it is. was there a problem. No Jacks fine. I drove it and it's fine. Oh what is is it. She likes the Torque of the diesel. Oh she likes the DELICA and she likes my car because the tour the tour has the Jag has V. Sixes Dixon's buzzy. She's been driving around my diesel and delicate diesel and so she's used a diesel she gets in the jagged. It's like me and she's like what's wrong with six. She said something to me. It was so interesting. It's like the kind of thing in non Kar person would say to me like you know she's driving my mom's F type bright so my mom had we me and my dad bought my mom and F type for her birthday five four years ago she put twenty seven hundred miles on it in four years and a month ago or or so she. My parents are moving into a smaller house. They don't Have Room for it. And they're smaller house one less garage spot right and so she's like can you take it for the winter because I don't want to put my regular car outside for this thing all winter so we took it and has just been driving it and it's it's f Type Coupe Hoop V6 SSI. It's lovely but Hannah says to me. She goes okay. I like this car. Put the noise and the RPM don't feel like they the home side one to one with the movement of the car interesting and she's like I don't get it she's like. It's got these like trumpeting noises but it makes them sometimes when the car isn't going to be discussing today. I think we figured out. She's just not used to. She doesn't get uh she's well 'cause she drives very light yet awful so you get their turbo torque diesel thing at like fifteen hundred. She had this Volvo. S Sixty R. V.. Sixty our design like the the Monster Turbo six. I added thing it's pulled up like twelve hundred so she would be using a throttle all the time and so it's it's the same kind of thing so she probably just is not used to a non turbo Sheehan driven non turbo car in like six years. Yeah Wow wow. That's amazing. Speaking of I just got back from the jeep. ECODIESEL was that It's actually uh here and all the people people have been waiting for is what's his video and it's just like a little teaser. So we have a bigger video. That's it's up on Kelley Blue Book. That's where I work. Everybody she likes. I like your instagram with subtitles. This is good right. Do you like that. I'm absolutely matching. They call you out on that as well I didn't do plan did not plan that but when I saw that caller I was like I have to have that color. It's a really nice blue. It's gorgeous Scott. Some good colors Okay so give me the stats on the diesel. So two hundred sixty horsepower. Four hundred forty two pound feet of torque which is always a four six six assist. Okay all right the three liter six it so they don't have gas mileage on it yet but they say around high twenty s For combined numbers five five hundred Mile Range on one tank on a jeep and honestly so this a and I was quite surprised. They put us on a pretty challenging. Course I for just Joe Normal journalists and I was surprised I did the I did the entire thing for high in four high. Need for low. Didn't didn't need lockers. You of course could do it in that if you need to wanted to but really I mean you're not supposed to re. Well they work. They told you shift into four low and now put your locker on and I'm like yeah I'm GonNa try it without it and it. I mean it more than did it. It was a a public shock like that. You can do a lot of this shit in like two wheel drive really well. That's the next test will tell you that you're not supposed to until you need it because all of a sudden you get stuck in four high and you're in for high then you're screwed you know for sure but what you're doing. I mean they wanted you to feel all all all the stuff that makes sense. Yeah I was. I was really impressed and I thought I thought it was really great. Preferable to you to the gas motor. Yeah Yeah so right now. I'm driving a long term the two liter four cylinder the belt. It's listen if you're buying a jeep to drive on the road and commute route. It's perfect really. It's great really again. That's if that's what your goal is to have the Jeep Baltimore. Yeah exactly but this. The daily Wrangler like daily dog car. It's defense I will say this. I've wanted to jeep since I was seventeen years old for me. You really growing customer. I I actually love driving it as a daily is this is. This was this from clueless share from clueless. Did it now. Didn't you have a beamer. Cher from clueless no white jeep. Wrangler the black dude. Who ended up on scrubs? He was driving the beamer landrover. Three three twenty five convertible past my formative years when I'm clueless came out Check like seventies and eighties girl ninety. s all those who daisy duke energy throwing you a bone there you now I jumped up and grabbed it but I will say I I really enjoy driving see. Oh the yellow one right there. The one that got its headlights gouged Allen by some like Jack Hole in my neighborhood it looks like the jeep got drunk hung over long starring in some sort of Shakespearian. She in like drama cross. I they ripped out the led's stolen from the fucking press launch. Yeah no no no word. I thought this is going to be a youth thing. Is that the new thirty stolen Colin I hope not starting something. Led headlights GPS to retrofit are between like a decent sets. Seven eight hundred dollars decent. Led's so so. I can tell you gotta do is like Crowbar. The grill probably took less than three minutes for two people screwdriver and BRO member when the Second Gen Lexus. Rx three hundred went to an h. i. d. p. and they were raiding dealers by me and New York. The you know you'd see the new be like thirty thirty five Lexus. Rx three hundred missing their headlights from dealers. Yeah Yeah Oliver was stealing. H S crazy. Yeah well sorry this happened into my. This is my long-term car but in general You say go diesel go diesel. It's really good. You're going to pay the premium for it. It's like an extra forty five hundred bucks to get that engine as an option. But Hey listen if you've been waiting for it it's worth it. The only kind of bummer is they're Only putting it on the four door versions so the two doors the take rate on the two doors for jeep less than ten percent ten percent of GPS that are being sold now. Are the two door versions going to Hawaii on tours. They're not there's a lot of reasons for that. Don't think Sir I mean again. It's really not not my own. I owned a Tudor pre owned a four door J. K.. And I can tell you right now. Like usability on the doors. They're yeah there's no reason really to have a tutor. You're unless you just want to have a two door short wheelbase like it could be helpful for city parking. May I don't know yeah. So it's it's got a lot of really good things things going for. It is weird that the European manufacturers had a big diesel phase went headed Howard a diesel and then got real We know how that ended. Now they're all running all all diving into electric as fast they can now. Here's Chrysler new diesels for like into this. That is that strange. Not that I want. I don't want an easy wrangler really but it would be cool Sima car but like I don't want I don't think that's where it needs to go. But like is that Weird rover Bruin diesel a couple of years ago true. The Range Rover diesels. Yes they did was in diesels like on its way out here in the US. Ask Me. And I don't think so I really don't think so with e if the EV infrastructure doesn't jump up quickly then I mean having the fewest Huey cars that we've we've gotten to play with pain in the ass if you if you don't have a built into your house you I'm driving taken tomorrow so we'll see what that eight hundred volt charging is about. Have it in your house if you don't have it anywhere else you're still fucked charging range. I went diesel. Just because it's you know for around town I can't get less than thirty miles per gallon on my three series wagon. I dry like a complete jackass and I still get twenty eight to thirty two miles per gallon around town on the highway. I will get high forty S. I averaged I I left here. Went to Salt. Lake City came back and averaged eighty nine miles an hour on the trip and with a huge roof rack on like box and the top and everything is still average thirty three miles per gallon at an eighty nine miles per hour average So there are definitely are reasons for sure. Yeah Oh yeah. Vinnie got his own camera now then he gets camera. I decided I didn't even more on camera anymore more and I gave it to Vinnie. I'm only I only stop the wide. Today I'm down with fucking Scott Brown hook it up with Charlie Rangel or diesel outsor- waylon some Phelan. I'm sure he'll hook you up with one last time. You heard that we talk about the California so the so cal. Backcountry discovery route. There's now open routes trails to drive entire states off road backcountry Discovery Route. So we did We did the Washington Ride Here we go we. Did you know Butler motorcycle maps. And he put these together and The backcountry discovery roots are ways to get across. Come on ways to get across the entire states without using tarmac. Okay I'm I'm fascinated by this and this is actually an excellent segue into the rebel rally. Awesome no this is amazing and I'M GONNA need to look at that link. The Matt the map is taking forever to load all right but our fetus scrapped out. But it hasn't here. It is. How many different options does it give? You is like a bunch of different ways. So it gives you one primary. Mary trail downloadable onto like a tablet And then you can see in in a couple sections here. There's some like there's like an optional harder one so the optional harder one may be like boulders or in some cases it might be too narrow for a car and you might be a motorcycle but like you're supposed to be able to do this entire trail in basically like a stock grand Cherokee that's awesome. Yeah and it's just the most beautiful way to see a you know a state and this one goes roughly from the Mexican border Right right down here to Near like lake near Ah. Isn't this Tahoe. I think it's near like that's Fresno and like mammoth gets like the southern cal so we should get some. We should get like a wrangler defender offender. Yes yes we should should. Yes signed up already. Signed up early. Rebel rally rebel Erbil Rally. The rebel rally is such a unique event. It's it's crazy and it's amazing so say it's off road event it's it's basically it's eight days. Seven of those days are competition and it is a map and compass navigation rally. You don't get to use. GPS You don't get to have your phone with you so right before you hit the first base camp they take away your your prohibited items. which are your phone? That has any kind of connectivity to the outside. I'd do you have a camera like a Gopro that has like the can connect to like any kind of war or anything like that. No that's gone so you are basically just out and you're off the grid for seven days so this what you guys are seeing right now. This was the rig that I drove so every every car you have to you. Obviously you have to teammates. You have a driver. You have a navigator. Some teams the The people switch positions in our particular case. We did not. I drove the hallway and my teammates. SEDONA she navigated dot sedona right there. Yeah and so- SEDONA had been Driving for for Nissan for this is the fourth year that the that the rally has been in existence and she's been driving Nissan trucks for the last last four years she had t- made her name is Leeann awesome awesome woman. I met them two years ago when I did the rally but she just had a baby in May and so yes her name honestly her name is grace and the team name is wild gray so I thought that was really appropriate and very sweet. But so Leah so sedona approached me and said hey you know. I don't know if it's going to be ready to come back after having a baby so soon would you be interested in joining an I had had a chance to interview Sedona last year because she drove a bone stock armada they came in. I think eleventh which I thought what the fuck their suspension had blown own out and they still came in eleventh and I was really impressed. By how many out of forty teams. That's not bad so I was really impressed by their performance and by and by both of them and so so the opportunity came along and I jumped at it You know the folks at Nissan Avoids Been Really Good and generous to me and And so I I loved Sedona and I was like okay yeah The sounds like an awesome opportunity. I've been wanting and waiting for the right chance to come and do it again. And it just situations where all the pieces just fall into place like. Oh Man. This is so easy. Jews were helmets the whole genome. It's the entire time out of here hours a day. Were you driving fast now. It's not it's because of insurance for the the BLM. I'm convinced it is. Yeah so the about this sounds awesome but a helmet for ten hours a day. Just the drive on a dirt road. That's nuts I will say. And here's my shameless. Plug for the folks at Awry. Who sent me my helmet? I had neck surgery a year ago. I had a disc replaced in in my neck and I obviously want very much to protect that part of my body but that helmet is you forget that it's on your head. I I mean it's so late it's it's as comfortable as any helmet is going to get Look like a fucking bad ass zoom meeting. No one looks good in a faceless helmet people snowing from racetrack. I don't WanNa wear what I you know. I mean I guess we understand why our heads are knocking against things but we head injuries. No well there was one car of you know one team that actually rolled their our car so in the totally fine she landed issue was home and I think in four she she roldan. They've landed on their wheels. We continue. She actually crossed the finish line. Boss boss very this L.. Are Four right here this Whitewater now it was. It was a blue one awesome. Sports mobile here is that as a competitor vehicle that was basically a support vehicle but that was the media team and they did live feeds this year so they had a schedule and they would be live from either the starting line or somewhere. We're out on the course or they would follow us when we were like shoveling food in our face at the end of every night but they had alive they had a live stream. I'm and probably satellite. And that's what that bad bad ass Mo fo truck was what were some of the other choice vehicles. I mean they know Emmy Hall brought that Colin and that's Hilarious Amy Hall Emmy Hall and her navigator Rebecca Donigi. They drove in a Rolls Royce. Calling in Yeah Ah she oh man. She had some challenges with that car. So that that that car within the clock in the crossover class look bad karolyi being keister like it also looks like it's mildly. Broken in this photo I mean I know I. I don't think it is but it does look she. She had to battle three. I mean obviously. She was on snow tires or winter winter tires and so she auto to like. Yeah I mean it was hot but the Tarantula your Johnson Valley we were in Stoddard you know. Hvac these are delicate places to go drive a certainly not not a car with like those low profile. Our snow snow tires are like their best option. They were twenty twenty one twenty yeah and And yeah the pack system doesn't have if there's I don't know if they do. They use the system still in the colon. It's a special thing. That Rolls Royce honestly like everything the mechanics were like everything that we tried to look up to help fix this thing. It was like. Please take your Rolls Royce to these. You're McCain will be happy to help you concierge service so yeah so they need looks the fucking Ted State. Doesn't I mean that looks awesome. I was so impressed. By how Rolls Royce just threw themselves and committed volume. I hope they disabled airbags Africa's full calculator honestly. That's why you have any hall driving for you so you don't get a face of air bags but yeah she lost three tires and she still somehow managed to win the crossover class and nothing beast and style points. She won that total style points. It was funny so like I said a Rolls Royce really showed up and Elizabeth Williams who's who is one of their PR REPS. She was there all week. They had another cullen in their second. Cullen in there that hosted media and drove me around and on the last day Matthew Johnson who is a tremendous off roader himself was in one of those Tuxedo. T shirts and it was. It was great coupon. Emmy and Rebecca did and they're like you have to ask and they'll give you a little a little squeezy sponsorship opportunity. Where going for all they need like one thirty something on their PR team over Grey poupon? And you've got that shit right that's fucking rats on days. Was it out there so a seven days of competition. There's one sort of days zero which is basically a test day it's a practice day you're still finding checkpoints. You're you're but you're heading into the To to base Cantu the first base camp and we start in. We started in Nevada. We started in a place called Goldfield Nevada. which is crazy the old ghost town? I don't know if you can look it up but there's a there's a bar I mean. People live their crazy. There's a bar there with these a male field. It looks like a fucking goes a high school. There is a high school. Allegedly it looks absolutely. It looks pleasant. I'll be honest. It's very very pleasant. It's absolutely amazing. Racing and math. Oh does it does it. People are amazing specis desert focus really so but yeah so it's it's seven days and usually you're driving between ten and eleven hours a day. We had on average about twenty to twenty six Checkpoints that we had to hit. There are varying degrees of difficulty. So if you imagine like Like like a ski slope there. Greens blues and blacks. And so Gordon's kind of thing. Greens are the easiest and mandatory. They're always staffed by as someone on the rebel staff generally kind of know where they are. They're usually right on a road and they're fairly easy to find but you have to get them. The Blues are more advanced. They're either marked marked by a small flag or like a rebar post. I mean they could be just out in kind of in the middle of nowhere and then the blacks are. They're not marked at all. So you have have to basically what you have to do. You have to plot to that point you have to get to where you think it is by using your map and then using the heading and distance and then you need to triangulate off of whatever you see around you to try and figure out and find out where exactly where you are if you're black you lost. We have satellite trackers. And you paying the satellite tracker when you get to to whatever checkpoint your ad and that's how the judges know if you were successful or not. Oh that's cool yeah. It's not is their feedback. Or you're not and you go to the next one and they tell you not later instantly you know from the Latte from the latitude longitude on the tracker where you are in your well out of the range. Then you get a ten point penalty for being outside of like Whatever it is that they're both that they're bulls eye And it's it's It's an unbelievably challenging thing to me like this is such a great navigator challenge. My teammates SEDONA Not only really good at plotting points on a map which when you're thinking about like a two hundred thousand scale matter or one hundred thousand scale map I mean this pretty more exactly someone to this shit in the Subaru outback. Oh did you shut. Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. That was totally ring out out for an adoptive athlete of veteran. WHO's in a wheelchair and she putting that much money into such a cheap vehicle but honestly but it did they throw they threw is K.? Two tires on it and I honestly like so so impressed with with how Mitsubishi supported team. It was really awesome question. Okay so so. If if somebody wants to participate in this what's the prerequisites I mean like what what do you do. You have to show Providence. You've done things like this before. Could somebody have never never before. That's the beauty of this event is it is really open to anybody who has an interest and who has a car that has all-wheel-drive arrive in basically and well and then there's the Mike it's A little over twelve thousand dollars. which isn't bad her car doors include include everything? Besides yeah it includes absolutely everything Most of that money goes to permits. And it's probably goes to the insurance premium to get the permit more than the permanent. So I should warn my helmet the entire time I was here. I bet if it was twenty K.. A car you wouldn't have to wear the helmets because they could get them more expensive premium. Maybe gazelles is twenty five thousand dollars or something crazy. Do they wear helmets. Yeah I think they do but they're earn like shit right. Yeah that's more of a race. This is not real. This is not a race this is this is a rally navigation rallies innovation challenge for points. But yeah like there's like a Michelin Star rated chef. Who comes in like food? And it's I mean I mean it's really it is it is top notch its world class all the way. So you're lost in the Desert Hewlett Packard. Swag T. shirts this year. Were really good about this way. It's a good time. They have time and I drove. I drove a guy's car awhile ago and obviously rebel rally is is for women And they put this dude had this is g wagon. That was very lightly modified like Fox. Shock smiled lift and then some cool little interior bits and big wheels and tires and that was it and They do these. It was like up in northern Nevada. It's like these scavenger hunts in cars. Basically these kinds of things and like the navigate. He offered navigational challenge. Stuff like that seems James more fun to me than like straight like rock crawling like look at me. I'm just pile around one hundred percent percent just to go back because I wanNA talk just a little bit about who who who is entering. These are not like oh well. I'm you know I've I've won all these off road as a war. It's like my my teammate. Four years ago she she enjoyed off roading she liked it. She was okay at it but she was just a you know. She's a mom to children and she heard about this event and she's he's like you know what that that sounds great but I've never navigated before with an APP and a compass and now four years later I like happy to say I mean we came out of teams so so her skill. I mean you you you really it doesn't you don't have to be like a world class driver or off roader. In order to be success is important important especially now with GPS and stuff that's the female market for the offering is is is getting huge. I mean having just come back from semi I saw that a little bit but even owning a jeep I mean I was part of what they call the Tampa jeep crew. which is the big jeep club? which I mean there was like almost six thousand members is in the Tampa area and and I mean do the females were hard core? Yeah and so I had to have an option like this. You know for for somebody. Who doesn't maybe interested in a little bit but they you know it can be intimidating any of these rallies rallies I mean matinee plenty of these rallies that you know if you're not if you're not part of that you get a little nervous about getting into something like this but it sounds like it would be a really great time for somebody even remotely interesting I I I I think so? I think that's the reason why Emily Miller. WHO's the woman who created this? She was the driver for Rod Hall for a Really Long Time. I mean she's an offroad stud in her own right. It's ridiculous but she wanted to make this something. That was approachable for women because you thrown into the mix and then suddenly it's like testosterone and like Ma you know oh Mr from La just kidding but yeah it makes a lot of sense to remove. Listen to stop juice from it. Women are still competitive. Do not get me wrong out there. Who are like yeah the fuck off? I'm winning this let you know they're. They're they're very marketing. I'm not gonNA argue that at all whatsoever absolutely but the other the other thing that I think is so amazing about this event is as you see across tra- crosstrek out there. you see out back out there. You see a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. Far that did it like you don't have to see. I don't want you to like make fun of somebody like the cheapest oldest least equipped where like you will and you're like that ain't GonNa make it. I mean I saw I saw you just scrolling through these photographs and by the way whoever the rebel rallies like official photographer is for daily. UPDATES is very good Really Nice pictures mazing. There's an eclipse cross. There's Yeah I saw. I saw at least fifteen to twenty year old Toyota four on her yes in here there was like white. Yeah I haven't seen anything older than that. That runner rain This black one is fantastic. I love foreigners there's such nice cars trucks for off roading. Don't you don't have to have a super modified rig there is a bone stock classification That that also receives an award for the top you know for the the winner of the bone stock award stock jeep right here. Maybe there's the winch but other than that it looks pretty pretty standard. Honda Honda had a ridge line and a passport in it. This year they bas- they stopped at a passport. Brought a passport passports actually terrible. It's sharing from from what you anymore. It's completely different as far as the passport and the pilot though okay. Here's I'll tell you because I went on that launch it was in Moab which was actually. I did some stuff in that thing that I probably wasn't supposed to do but it's totally air. But the way she said they lost six inches off the back side of it. It's an inch higher. And so you have a better approach and departure angle thing. You have a better break over over angle on that thing on Xtra the the the the software the twerk mentoring software that they have that that four that that all wheel drive that torque factory software that they have on. The pilot is so much better on this size. A NIGGA proportion of car that I mean honestly to me. This is the closest this thing that you can get to having lockers. Yeah really good in application. It's it was it's really effective. I haven't driven the passport yet. But I know a couple of people have and they said the new one's pretty amazing and but having driven like the NFL. I know what Honda's capable of with you know electronic Torque Cork veterans to apply. Offer it. I would imagine it's just as good. I don't dislike the past points for the passports passport. Art and impressed with Honda for they fielded two teams of of female engineers and they sent them out there. And they're like okay. I mean it's a great proving ground for any. OEM IT'S A. It's a why anybody else do. This is crazy. I think other some of those do do it. They do they do. I would like I would love to see the new defender out there. I would love love to see the Bronco out. There swore people got before. We're still talking with Mojo. I could've we rebel during rebel. Yeah oh I'm sure they will. Yeah about it here. Hey listen man. Rolls Royce did it. Guys come on. I think that was pretty good. Pr for roles rice. I I think so too I think so too. 'cause it's it's just a really unexpected thing. I'm thinking you're you're in a rent. A rover why don't I mean. Yeah I mean you could be the person person who I could be. Who Does it do you hear that? Land Rover is thrown out there. Hey Jerry could be call me. The defender defender Lie. Folks get in the Super Chat. We've already got a few in there and I'm GonNa shut down the next. I five minutes of getting that be so I do WanNa talk about an. I have done a lot of killer off roading in the last part of this year so there was another trip. I remember Aaron Robinson and I were here talking about the Normandy thing but haggerty approached me because of the sweet Montero Out Ed We really like your truck and we would really like to do a story about your truck. And so because one of their other employees got an eighty seven I in in Forerunner perfect really. Sweet Montero Eighty seven. Perfect of course Robinson's like we'll need an eighty seven something thing and we'll all go out and drive it somewhere so he bought an eighty seven. Samurai Green Yeah. That's a good one and three of US trailer trucks out to Moab and we did the White Rim trail and our three little. That's awesome dude. Everybody made it. We had not one mechanical problem problem the whole way. It was outstanding Japanese cars in the lead eighties. Not GonNA break. We got some very interesting looks while we were out there from all the a big fat moderate out GPS and such but oh man it was fun moas Beautiful Easter Jeep Safari one year and that was just the the most amazing thing ever. We were out there climbing up the hills and all of a sudden surge snowing. And it's like it's an amazing area out there. Yeah it was beautiful and I mean honestly when I was first I approached all I could see in my head. was these little itty bitty cars on this massive landscape and I was like yeah like I am. I can see that I am so in Good story I will say though my car and I I'm not apologizing to either one of the other dudes who are out there. My car was by far the the best car out there that Samurai. It's the Samurai super cute. But Fuck Dude. It is so uncomfortable. Yeah that's true. That's a rough that suspension a rough trail trail cars Stock Samurai. Yeah Yeah in the four hundred four hundred a long wheelbase so depending on where you're going. That's that's that's a difficult. Yeah in some situation. Nation was that that foreigners from when it was a pickup truck right the first the first first one is the door had the you know. Obviously the top that came came off and yeah I got out of that Samra and I was like Oh you guys were the wrong offer. This time like it was really uncomfortable. It was his fault. What is that? I'm Sukey Front and rear leaf. Springs a solid axles on a miniature. Little the delco would probably be jam. There were camping it. You wouldn't have to do tents and all that other business tense. Now you're not. Are you a camping guy. No but not because I don't like camping is because I have a bad back and I can't sleep on the ground car camping if I have somewhere comfortable bolt asleep. Yeah then I'm then. I love building fire and did all side like I love it. I just can't sleep on the ground because I'll be in a lot of pain. How so? How like your Delic? I have not seen it yet. But how how overland e is off like bed. I none of The stock captain's chairs. I have the stock a bench seat in the rear a anything I have like fifteen fifty two wheels and knobby abby tires. That's it but it's fine. Fog Lights in brush guard like standard our standard standard features repainted. The brush guards yards to match the rams. Now it's looking better but no it's that's I I would go off roading in it. I wouldn't yeah. It's fine have brand new shocks and shit. It's okay we're GONNA do that back country California wondering delica GonNa Fucking Range Rover. I want to do it in someone. Else's Lexus Alexis. You even offered in one review the jail for me the LX the new LX. Yeah for me like off. Roading is about seeing being part is about what you see when you're out there and how how it feels to be out there. Yes and that you need these trucks to get to those places. It's not for for me. It's not about look at this big fucking thing. I can climb and it's also not about look at me going this crazy journey in this old car when I have access to do one thing to think about. I don't want to worry about this fucking thing breaking three hundred miles away like give me a brand new car one lesson. I sucked though. You'RE NOT GONNA get invited on any a hydrogen trips on the haggerty trips Porsche. I told her Xiao See. That's fine fine have you. Have you done any like hell. Yeah I've done a little. I am. Yeah it's Super Fun. I bet it's red. Can you can be so you can really slide it around. And let me do the rebel in that one I'm calling and asking him Bar. When a ca-car he's got something to sell someone seventy was something to sell? That's the best place to start. I think yes no. You're not you're not think that'd be amazing. What's coming next L.? A. Auto show coming up snacks. Yeah you up to date on the press releases. What's the fucking scoops? Ah You know it's funny. I'm not really that today yet. I tried to put it off for as long as humanly possible. I know that the new sentras coming. Hey I know about that. Looks like no one knows what it looks like yeah. I don't think it's come out yet. Yeah Denise no Centra isn't it this previewed by Chinese market it. Yeah it's it looks like this far behind I am. I haven't even said it. Looks like the maximum from eight years ago. So we're supposed to but it's got similar. Let Scott that like that feature in the back like the the C pillar that sort of similar pillar. They don't have a single single car. I want not not a one. I'm sorry I know the I know you're tight with them on model but the thing I want right now Yeah Yeah No. I'm not I am neither paid by them and I have my I have my own. I I have my own issues with it. I will say this like the seats in the Maxima are some of the most comfortable. It's like your dad pretty amazing So Yeah L. A. IS COMING UP Let me think if there's anything will the defenders GONNA have its North American debut here but we've already already. I mean pretty much everyone seeing that I want to see what it looks like in person though because yeah photos it looks a little Honda Elementary. The Interior is phenomenal. I got so I got a sneak. Peek of it Back in during the summer I got had a extraordinary chance to go over to To Gayton and check it out which was really which was really awesome? it's a little. Oh Yeah a little bit look at the. Yeah yeah that's it that's it looks nice. It looks Nice but look you can see in the the bottom line in the bottom right corner that there's a middle. There's a jump seat. That is an option. There's a floating dash. You can either the center console. Paul is optional. You can pull that out. You can have a jump seat put in there so it's for all intents and purposes that bench seat fit to you can fit you know three people upfront and there are a lot of I mean to me. There are a lot of a lot of cues of the kind of the old traditional if you look at the door panels like there are exposed rivets on the door pasto they stole Honda Civic Door. Rivets of these like these rivets here. So there's like unfinished stuff on it. There's a little it's got a little bit of. It's kind of rough often tumble feeling like it's not fussy. It's not it's not precious to me. It's still classy. It's still you know. I think it's still so rover ish but it's not Swinging the price though is like from the base model to normal people would drive is insane. Isn't it though like the way with all the cars. Now now. I mean look the base price on emerge on any Mercedes. It's like Oh that's not that bad but then you like Mercedes windows. I'm sorry Oh oh it's this is eighty grand shits. I can get a two thousand dollars Porsche. Turbo s manual seats. Sabet seat did you. Did you go in there and do that Did you Did you make car that I build it. No one is a press car. Once I got a one hundred and ninety eight thousand dollars and had had no options on it. The only option was a pain to sample color other than that. It was a total fucking stripper. Yeah I someone had a little fun the SPEC game on that one but I think they wanted to make it under two hundred K.. Hey and still look cool. So they did P. T. S. and then sliding sliding since I have a question for you guys if someone gave you two hundred thousand dollars. Would you buy that car or how many other. What other cars would you buy anything on the way down if I had two hundred grand no fucking way by some shit on the way up? So so what would you buy An art thirty four skyline. Like the nicest one I could find for two hundred K.. And leaving for six years six years with a Canadian rent. You've thought about it ever grand it would. It would definitely be something vintage digital muscle cars like. I can't think of two hundred K.. On a newer car if I had if it had to be a new car and had a new car I would honestly eh I probably maybe grant sport wagon or Reseda class wagon fully specked out uh-huh Transport Turbo S. You can buy my doubts and sixteen hundred. They're going up in value. I watched one bringing you all the time. Sixty five thousand Rosen dollars. I'm bringing a trailer. Datsun sixteen hundred. Why don't you like it'd had an upgraded engine in Sima with the roadster Mr with the removal? No the green one thing one. Oh Oh wow that is just D- light full. Look your windshield. And what's someone unexplained. The one yellow headlight. What's that about? It's like throwing the racing wise. I like well. You would see the yellow fog. Lights are all the yellow headlights want. Either but I do like this. Have you ever seen the guy who did the as He's local here on ninety s-l speedster he did this. this really amazing One Ninety S L here ago and turned it into turn into a really cool kind of speed survive bride. It's like the only like real cool one ninety s I've ever seen. Yeah I would do two hundred thousand dollars on something like that. It's the same vibe live. Is the semen right. Yeah I get the same vibe from I think the cells done a little better very smart. So there's there was another one. There was another adopt at Sema that was done by a guy named Mike Specht SPAG NOLA and I think it was read. There are like the I mean these are coming up man. These are like a thing and I am digging. You're ahead of the good. They look like huge. They're probably like fourteen. Yeah my Mine looks nothing like that. Mine's very stock doc. But it's it's a little bit of a Frankenstein which I don't care. I just love that car and yeah so cool Roy Nice to so everyone's good. WHOA THAT'S ECZEMA few years? Is this black. I'm fucking with the sixteen hundred. There's no no I just can't do it. My Dad my dad is six three and I have to obviously put the top down. Yeah and then. He is like this over the M. G. midget once it was just like that. Put your hat on tight. 'cause it's GonNa blow off your head and I've got the sixty six has the low windshield instead of sixty nine. Yeah yes so. It's like Oh man twenty swap and your car changes suspending finding a four speed. The first thing I'd WanNa do is like chartering just to just to everything do all the thanks to everything it needs all. Okay Don wave your magic one. That'd be amazing Shali so the answer some of the People's things they wanNA talk about see. Sometimes they want good things. Today's not I'm asking the question here. Full octave octane. Garage wants to know who we think would win on a race track and GT GT to our ask Chris Harris or Randy Post Post. Think Randy. Pope's I put my money on randy just because He follows me on instagram if they were drifting. I'd say Chris Probably Randy But it's it would probably be a good race. I think Chris could win on any given day. Turns detract too. Yeah Not Laguna Seca. So so make could be Cross and shoot says. Oh just wants to say hi Lyn Lynn Stitch. Six six six wants to know. Are they like the that. been hanging out with OPIE and want to know if I'm doing shows with Anthony from the OPIE and Anthony Show and the answer is no he's crazy right wing gun nut. Who fucking beats his girlfriend? The answer is no Oh at at the musical. Murray says so Lynn you must see on December thirteenth the fast and furious musical parody in La. Now fucking hilarious. Yes you must go live theater yes. I hate live theater but Brad Joey who wrote the show were on our on our show. Oh and I saw it twice and I brought back to see last time. It's fucking hysterical. It's number thirteen. Yeah some of the best writing like someone needs to give. These guys is like an agent and careers and a lot of money immediately because very very funny all right anyone else in L. A. December thirteenth come come see the fast and furious. Musical at the dynasty typewriter. Sold out by now. I'm talking about three five. Pass tickets. Hor Hey Trujillo wants to know if I would do the vanquish twenty-five by Callum. Did you see this thing by cal. So in Callum Who I've met before? And he is a delightful man He has decided I asked him once if he ever owned owned any of the cars he's designed and he said he had not. I thought that was very strange. I said how could you not have bought Ania cars. That you designed your like an icon in your car. So pretty and he goes. They're pretty but they're always change from my drawing horse so it's hard for me to not see that in the production car. Okay Fair enough. So I guess in has come out of retirement to do a series of of limited edition vanquishes continuation cars of of sorts. They have some type of new gearbox a traditional torque converter converter auto updated suspensions a bigger brakes different Actually I don't think the wheels are different but they have a new front bumper. That makes it look more like the newer cars I. I don't think this needed do it. I had to be honest. I Love Ian Callum. I think he's a genius but I just don't see how this is a thing that they gave him the opportunity to you know keep his name out there and do something kind of cool but what does that translate to dollar wise. I mean aside from the lettering on the tires which is completely out of character for a vanquish of any kind. That needs to go aside from that. It's fine line but it just didn't necessarily need doing so. Would I be doing it to my car. Certainly not but what. I get mad at somebody who did that like knocks out. I mean there's an here's an argument that could be made. I see a lot of DB eleven's on the street now there are out in. La The vanquishes way fucking prettier. We're way it's way. More restrained and tasteful and pretty so to upgrade that I get it yeah I just don't know callum early too but who knows maybe he got divorced. I need the money I don't know Ryan says I have a ninety nine Mercedes S. L. K.. Two thirty top down cruising. What tires would you recommend for a good balance of quiet riot and grip Hashtag? Just get the Michelin's the Michelin pilot sport for us is your tire sir. And if they don't have that the Super Sport and if they don't have that whatever other Michelin they don't you know speaking of Van Clash. Here's the irony of vanquish by Callum by Callum. Here's the irony. This tire in this size will will not be a super sport. It will not be policy port for us and it will not be a pilot. Sport Cup to this is a Michelin pilot sport to the the fifteen year old tire. Why do I know that because this is the stock wheel and this is the only tire they make? That fits it because I just had to buy a set. They don't make for they. They made super sports for this car five years ago and they don't make them anymore so no bull dade no ma'am sorry inaugur onto cars with limited tires. You can't get. What can you get the coon tosh on the second guitarist? pearly makes them. They do thanksgiving. Okay have a p zero. While they were only making them a limited right now they would hord them so yeah. I remember when those come now and I was working at Lambeau at the time they did a run of it and we like the phones are off the Hook said you said Yeah so no the parole just makes them now so they have a p zero which looks like the the original tire but has a a more modern compound. It's an all season he type compound and then they have a new piece. Seven which excuse tradition entirely doesn't doesn't look anything but a new modern tire. Terry Metcalf says I should get those so when these are done all I'd be interested to see what you think that what you feel the difference I I I think he says it's amazing so it should be cool. Yeah pearly should send you some I think they should. Victor would hook look it up probably going to see him tomorrow. That's probably an item. That's like they're not just laying around nate says using a nine nine. Wait why are people. Why are the second person that the guy to people ask me? who was faster Chris Harris? ooh This is a different question. The first one was Chris Harris versus Randy. Popes this is now Chris Harris versus JETHRO. Or Tanner I'm GONNA throw on the camera really think. Tanner is narrowly fast racing driver. And I think he probably would beat Chris or death row. Both of whom are very good. Yeah you're splitting hairs. Ten magician all right. He's a magician. He beats like he he beat Petter Solberg in rally cross like you. Yeah Yeah No. He's beaten like like such heavy hitter drivers in rallycross yet tanner's Tanner's he's got magic cans magic feet Modo. Zan Dan says is the Gulf are worth the money over. GTI and how would you compare. Golf are with Velocity N And I'll take the third part. I is T. W. Steele a fashion brand. Yes watches okay listen. Golf are worth the money over. Gti a Golfer is like twelve thirteen k more the GTI you get a bunch more power yes you get all wheel drive yes. Is that worth more. Is that worth thirteen K to losing it flat. You're using it for to get these questions all the time. It's like do I buy this do I do. I get rid of this for that. And it's like you got to kind of give us more I've tried I've tracked both of those cars for me. Personally I would take the are for sure. If you wanted it to be attract car I would take the I. I would pay that extra money and I would do it. I think the GTI is good all around car. It's not it's not as specified specified has like the feedback that either light in that car. Sorry go ahead. I know that everyone kind of loses her mind in for the GTI. But I you know I if I was looking for a speedy or racier card. Pick the or even the civic type R over that one yup Editor wants to know what automotive jobs could I get with a business management degree. I'd love to work for magazine manufacturer or aftermarket Parts Company. I think you answered your own question. Yeah business management degree like every automotive business needs management. You know pick your pick pick your business you know. There's a suit there except for my muscles Senate this chair next to me and do this. There's like Lynn. There's there's people who have suits on that manage the the things that you do. There's work for people with any time. There are suited folks. So where should someone start like like I mean take take what it is that you really love and just kind of go after I mean if you only have just a business management degree. That's a pretty broad kinda determined to something specific. I mean just start scouring all of the want ads for what you know. What's open and just get your foot in the door somewhere? I maybe silence I think don't be afraid to Don't be afraid to do a job that you may think is a little bit beneath you as well I for the door to get in the door. I honestly I changed careers when I was Forty years old and I went for me very lucrative job advertising to a very like not lucrative job in the television business and You definitely have to eat a lot of humble pie but if it's something you really want to do then then just do it because it won't last last forever but then at least you have your foot in the door and you're enjoying what you do. Yes which is important so important because you do it a lot a lot of the day. Whatever you're GonNa do you understand why people are like? Oh Yoga's a hobby. I don't want to teach it for a living and I'm like Oh but then you would be doing something that you really love well. So here's where I I agree with you and it does seem silly and but I here's where it can go wrong asked if you when you do turn something that you love into a job. oftentimes you have to do so much of it. That you to the idea the dea of doing more of it you know what I mean. Yeah and like it's optional. And a lot of things like making music or making art or doing or any kind of stuff off where the business of it really does suck a lot of the fun out of it for me personally. Having to do videos in volume yeah to make money versus having to do fewer stories of a higher quality. That's what Sorta suck the fun of it but nevertheless taken still is still device place in general the thing if you have a choice choice Ben Says Hey Lynn any interest in the cross country rallies such is a FAM OUGHTA comma rally. I Dunno FIMS densely Africa ECO race. Silk Way Rally excetera be awesome to so you at the next level. Those things are. I don't know what those things are but I'm definitely going to google what those things are. I mean honestly the answer is yeah I I am always looking for what's next. I'm always looking for for a good challenge. For what a what. A good story. What am I you know? How am I going to stretch myself and improve myself and Yeah I mean enjoy a new experience exactly. Driving off road is is something that I get a lot of joy out of as long as it's in a place that I don't feel like personally threatened in my in the safety arena offered in the Middle East anywhere. No well you WanNa see you want to see what the map is of the Atacama rally. Where's that it's in south Argentina It's it is in Chile Chile. Right here yeah I would totally it. It looks like a plate of Spaghetti does look like it looks hardcore. It looks like many race tracks lapped like like on top of each other do do you are. You WanNa do. Does the idea of doing this activity in a foreign country. Change how you feel about it or is it just you know one desert. There's another lesson. I think that I mean as long as I had a good support team with me. Who could translate things I mean? I'm not I'm adventurous. venturous up until a point like I'm not going to be like I'm going to just go do this on my own. THEA I I don't I don't feel like that's a very siege thing to do but yeah I would like I said I. A new challenge to me is always interesting I think if something scares you you should probably say yes suet and loans. You feel like you're personally me being threatened in some way So yes I absolutely would do anything like that so excellent Thousand House Bend. Jeff says thoughts on the EJ twenty five engine and a two thousand fourteen wrx. Is it reliable if stock I pretty pretty much google. This and found this on page one. Subaru settles engine lawsuit following months of discovery it basically says that the owners contend in the lawsuit the turbo defect which allowed contaminated oil to carry debt damaging metal debris through the engines and Subaru knowingly. Sold the cars with defective parts lead to engine failure so there was a lawsuit. It was settled. There was something of a recall. The engines were replaced or repaired. So to answer your question. I would make sure that you search every single car. You look at it and make sure those repairs were done in that. You don't have an engine. That has that problem aside from that. You're good to Subaru side from the massive engine. Failure ability the lead to a class. Act Foreign particles wandering through your engine. Yeah the good news is though if you don't get one of those you could get a wrx acts of literally any other year and they're all exactly the same good news last question before we get the fuck Outta here. Philip wants to know. Would you rather use a a Nissan. Three fifty Z or a two forty. Sx as Adrift Toy I just did your school for four zero one one key. I love fast right. Oh my gosh. I just felt like every time smoking a cigarette. And he's like do it again because awesome right. I suck at this but So I started out in the two forty in that two forty S. X. and it takes a lot of worked to get it. It's not it's definitely not as powerful as the three fifty young. The three fifty's fun because it's a lot I mean. Honestly it's a lot easier than It's a lot easier than the two forty but you know yeah. So here's the deal at the two forty S. DRIFT WANNA one was powered by K twenty four. which is is a low is a crappy little engine they use it? Use It in the Nissan Pickup Shit. Kick the crap but that car is really light but you have to kick the crap. Crap out of the Nissan has enough power where you can drive it a little more normally and not have to really abuse views it but the good thing is if you can do it in the two forty venue can totally do it in the truth. The other recommendation I could make is that that you can get any number of jd 'em to forties than have factory SR twenty engines and it'll bridges ZAC gap now pretty nicely and you can have that lightweight to forty with a little more power of a modified twenty. You just gotTa get used to drive on their side of the car. Which is actually I think is fun and I've done it in drift cars and it's the same by a two forty you could swap into it? It's that also. Take a fifteen hundred dollar swab or in. La Yeah if you wanted to get completing LS. Yeah but if you want like the the most important thing about a race car or a drift car is that it is on the track racing drifting right so the best race car you can buy is the one that gets you from your seat to the race track batter. Yes so that doesn't This one just came into the at the very end. Howard I compare Canadian roads at the US? They were beautiful outside of an couvert. I don't I know much about them beyond that but They they prepare themselves for cold really well particular and Nicholas wants to know if all film me Anzac at an open mic. Nah No son. Sorry well that's our show. You want to win while you're here out of here you know just if you check out my videos at KB's Youtube Channel and I work in concert with a with Mike. Muzio and we We Review all kinds of new sheet sheet. Metal there Yeah I think that's about about it. Thanks for coming in. It's always good to hear. Thank you so much for having me arrived at Montero safe for those of you. 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127. Feature Presentation - The Book of Eli (2010)

Midnight Double Feature - A Film Podcast

2:23:26 hr | 1 year ago

127. Feature Presentation - The Book of Eli (2010)

"Thirty years after war turn the world into a wasteland alone more your named Eli marches across the Bruin landscape carrying hope for humanities redemption. Only one other man understands the power of what you like here. He's he is determined to ticket for himself. Though Eli prefers piece little risk risk debt protect his precious cargo he must fill his destiny to help restore mankind welcome to another feature presentation midnight double feature analysts episode. We'll be covering two thousand ten book of Eli directed by Albert now and Hughes. Hey guys what's going on. Welcome back. We are doing the book we live this evening on a jump right into this motherfucker hope you're doing well. We are going to spoil this movie. We're going to be using a lot of thumbs. We're going to be cursing careers if he ever problem with that. There's a e on this motherfucker before reason as I've said multiple times but yeah we're are GONNA be covering the book of Eli Tonight Two thousand ten Denzel Washington meal my goodness our the fuck you wanna say it but <hes> but before we get into our opening impressions our initial thoughts all that all that Jazz <hes> this is one of our feature presentation episode so there's GonNa be a bit longer. We're GONNA talk about quench. Lee will be doing spoilers. Blah Blah Blah Yada Yada everything of just said before so if you like these episodes we do these once a week we also have our other episodes. The upcoming attracting episode direct or directed Ah hosted by our other host Matt Vela who is a director check check him out at Villa Matt films but those are kind of his backyards kind of covering trailers news a lot of the new stuff that has popped up so if you're not into these kind of episodes you might find on something you like in <hes> in the other ones we F- especial features or you sit down with the Castro crew member talk to other people about something a project that they're on but either way <hes> you know just checking out if you see how you see how that since what you guys some people are not down for these longer episodes that we've somewhat been notorious for so I think the shorter episodes people like to get their news that waste while not just read it constantly but either way guys. Thanks so much for coming on. Thanks very much so for listen this episode Zohab. How are you doing this evening? My friend good dirt. How you doing what's cracking? What's happening not much man? You know what I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to be honest with you. A little pissed really little pissed. Yeah I mean like when you when you were saying like book Availa you'll like Oh it's denzel Washington's Mila Kunis UNISOM. How could you leave out Gary Oldman well traditionally? I always say you do your protagonist first and then you get to the antagonise but you didn't even do that. You're just like us. Let's move on bucket. No Yeah Yeah. I'm not a fucking I mean on the coverage Gary Oldman at some point but a way before that is going to be Washington and Kunas going Oh hey here's this awesome guy who has kind of the same person in a lot of movies but we have meg from family guy and she's hot so it'll be the puck and thing shut up shut shut up meg but how are you doing bud I'm good dude. I'm man this. This movie's depressing isn't it. I was saying right before you started on that. I wouldn't play some fucking fallout so bad now. Oh did apply some full ad but I also WANNA go slow whereas Jesus Christ man get some lot in his bill dude dude. It's like it's like it's like somebody posted on Instagram for the first time it got a hold of the Scipio b. l. one and just growing like cranked out all the saturation and the collar like <hes>. I guess I mean we can just jump right into it. We'll start with you and your initial impressions because I I mean I think we're both lettuce. They were both kind of on the same page with that like the color grading being of this might be a little bit much. I don't know I don't want to speak for you but right off the bat saying what I'm thinking so I mean extrapolate upon that like what else about this movie do you love. Don't love when I see a bubble by Yada Yada Yada Yada Yada Yeah Okay also it with my history with this film twelve twenty ten. I'm sixteen years old. I haven't thought it at hoyts yet. Cinemas <hes> believe this came out other January February sometime in I in twenty twenty ten so it was kind of like it wasn't like Osama blockbuster or anything like that. It was like rod inside of the year and typically. That's where movies go to die typically. That's what like like that's the area that studios choose to release that films in because it's like Oh really have that much much walking release it here because like a strategy. That's usually when you get those live budget fucking horror films that are like rotted the Sada January and it's just like yeah. No one's GonNa Watch this silence released. The dead zone is I like that yeah the dead side right exactly so didn't watch this in the cinema. <hes> I remember I had this friend right and <hes> basically his his step-dad like us to fucking part films like just literally. I don't even kidding what like actual like he was like a serial burt leg and he'd tell him that you're gonNa say seriously actual pie like a guy sitting behind a computer with an leg appeared on his shoulder he really gets into character are Jeffrey Russia's my name big fantasy pirates of the B. O. Defamation he he would sell them like he'd Party Devon and sell them. He's balls Shit Yeah. It was Bulls Day. Prepare late but like I would like Kinda like hi guys over there and just like flip through like what he had <hes> because I was just like I don't know like it's fucking frame movies do like I'm sixteen years old found one and it was like book the airline as like Ooh. What's what's this like it? It would just be like because it would say like David in like these like klay sort of like slipped cases and add like he would like print out like a cover and just stick it on a stick slap on disk like that's what it was like just like <hes> like the title book of Eli and it was just like Denzel Washington. What's this I took it higher watched? It had a good time with the dirt like it was a Shitty copy of like that I saw it was fucking camcorder camcorder copy but I had a good time with at like I remember as a sixteen year old kind of bay slightly disappointed kind of being like Oh man like. I wish there was more action in this like I definitely remember taking that because like that I my uh-huh u._S._A.. Denzel kind of like spring into action. It's just like faulk. I want more of this and look I. I still want more of that now. Here is twenty five year old but as a twenty five year old I fully appreciate his fill the lot more now with the a with the well building elements of it like that's that's what the biggest thing of this may be has has gone for it for me like like this this whole sort of like post-apocalyptic well building soft like I am on board with that Shit like that that is so fucking the I remember <hes> show it to my dad and we kind of like watching and the religious elements of it. I really dug as well and we'll get to a pretty fucking good comment by Danny Vouch Yeah we will yeah fuck man. Remember being like my dad was like all you can substitute the Koran <hes> full like the what is the near King James by below at of <hes> rising James version yeah yeah you can you can substitute at that and like it'd be the same exact story. I'm like yeah that's totally true and watching it. This time rounded. I definitely remembered like the twist with him like no be able to say definitely remember that he's carrying the Bible but I do. I do honestly wish that they left it. Ambiguous like this earn need like that is such a big fucking like that is such a letdown dude. I wish they left it ambiguous. It would've been much more accessible full seventy more audiences and it would've living so much more. He would have been a lot less preachy like this is already approaching fucking movie automates. I definitely love Denzel. Man Like Denzel is a fucking plus in this movie. This may be would not work without Denzel but it ulcer would not work without in Gary Oldman sort of like we've talked about guy album before Him Bay one of my favorite actors of all time but this is like one of his ones where he's a bit he's hey subdued but he still there's still a lot of sauce like as a lot of Gary Oldman Salsa but I still like the intensity that he brings to the Villain Connie Gay I think I think the wake spotted. This movie might be Mila Kunis I think I think it's interesting if I had to pull one if I had to pull a negative cost of it'd Taylor could it's because I mean let's let me ask you this. Doesn't it doesn't like jump off the page at you but if you have to if you have to point something out. Do you think like I don't WanNa talk to speak for you. But is that what you kind. Is that what you were kind of getting that well. That's what I'm saying yeah if I had to pick one because because it's like I mean there's there's only three people in this movie like during your like right thirty three people and it was like fucking henchman right so it's not like exactly as started stacked ensemble costs but I definitely dig this movie. I I dig a lot more now than I do as a twenty twenty five year old than I did as a sixteen year old <hes> there's more love here especially because like Cincinnati cabinet has been cyber malls post-apocalyptic Games <hes> been getting into like ever since ever since I I I saw this. I'd say Mad Max. I'm definitely <hes> more well vested like the post-apocalyptic stuff. Some of the cinematography in this movie is absolutely breathtaking like it is astounding how they pulled some of these shots off and D._N._R.. Much about the Hughes brothers is it Hughes <hes> her they yeah it's US yeah no no. I'm sorry what you're going to keep going. I know that they did from hell with Johnny. Depp and I saw that at some point and I I mean that was like fifteen years ago. I don't remember hating it. I know it's kind of kind of a bad reputation got. I know they can't really take what else they did the another from hell and enlighten me though is there something missing there yeah they did medicine society which is assessor great fucking also movie. You've you've seen that yeah yeah there. Thank God I thought you were going to be like Oh man. I just never got around to a Blah Blah so good man and you know what I watched that a lot more recently isolated. I'd cat who admit I guarantee. I watched that with our that back to back with fuck because John Singleton died and I watched boys in the hood and then I'll watch right off the boys in the hood. It's like you would like minutes in a society. There's like you know what I'm never say. Society put it on. I was just like man. I'm all over this. So have you ever seen a parody of Minnesota Society know what is it. It's I think it's I believe it's the winds. I'd have to go but it's like. Don't be society society. <hes> don't Musa Society while drinking your juice in the hood or something like that of course it is of course. That's the title Yemen really dug this way. This is a great pick. I think like on your PA like when you when you chose is this house like that is so random but I I remember thinking very recently. I've I've been wanting to cut a sit down and watch this again and I'm Connie Glenn I did. That's not the ORD yeah I <hes> I'm not an alive is just like you know what I'm going to play net flicks roulette and see what pops up and both Eli pack again that that's kind of like right in the middle of the road from me. I've I've been picking kind of like newer movies lately yeah. I've kind of in notorious for picking like a lot of older stuff like ten years old. You know that's that's that's okay that's solids Kinda right in the middle for me but his also one of the only post apocalyptic movies that we've covered and I think the only ones that we've really covered were like a road road warrior inferior road with fully from the populace by the way check that check them out populace podcast out this I mean he is great. Those guys is just miss him. It's a great pop a great podcast but I think those in the only time we really talked about post-apocalyptic apocalyptic fishing the warriors count now because that's how post apocalyptic. That's not like the world has ended. You know it's I I can see like a somewhat of a comparison there but it's it's it's not quite post apocalyptic any there's always this confusion between dystopia and something like equilibrium or somewhere where society as controlled and a lot of people mistake that post-apocalyptic with the dystopia kind of stuff but all in all I really enjoyed the hell out of this movie. I I don't remember the first time I saw it might have been my buddy Jake Mc Dole. I WanNa say that's the first time I saw was hanging out with him. I know it was really close to when it came out. I remember really enjoying it. I don't remember ever watching it again. I never decided to buy this and never cited to put this thing on and I I'd always enjoyed it any kind of post-apocalyptic movie. Even if it's not a good movie I can still get into it because it's something postponing this Sifi like but you know like literally the Channel sci-fi Hi fi like this rural shitty like kind of quality movies that they make go straight onto their channel like even stuff like that caliber I can get behind because it's post apocalyptic a really enjoy any kind of fiction like that but and we had we had a poll actually Ashley the we put in the after party and we can get that later owner save that for later about just a competition between a lot of infamous not every one of them but very infamous post-apocalyptic filmed didn't turn out quite the way I thought it would which is interesting but like I said I'll get all his bullshit. I know yeah I know dude it really is this is no no way I remember really join this. I think that there is a major problem with him with ending blind and if I if I had to say what I loved about I agree I am just GonNa. I know what you're gonNA say fully but I feel like I agree already and this is going to tie into Danny vouchers comment as well right well. I think that don't want to go into detail because we can kind of hit that hit that when we come to at the end when it's revealed to us but I think that the color saturation allure of it much I think they need to back off that just a little bit. I think it looks yes. It looks cool but it does get a little much after awhile what I mean. It's it's just it's it's a movie. I love to see them more colorful kind of you know even though they're in this post apocalyptic world look at something like fury road versus. I mean the color I mean that that's going one hundred eighty miles an hour on the opposite direction you know like everything like real vibrant and the red the blues and the yellows and I love that and this is this is this is a movie like George Miller didn't specifically sought the book of ally as one of the reasons that he made fjords are colorful but he did like point out that like a lot of apocalyptic movies as DIS <hes> looking a lot more lack the book Availa unlike the road right yeah that kind of like that just dark greenish grayish like kind of color and I think that's that's interesting and it and it's cool. I dig it. I just think that they should back off a little bit like when they're walking around and they get to San Francisco at the end and I'm like wow a blue sky a redbridge wow crazy so I think that the color saturation is a bit much. I love all all the casting honored at any problem with any of the Casas. I think they're all great but I'm trying. I'm trying to go pro or con here. You know like like I'm like. I'm GonNa like it's kind of like roasting somebody. I'm going to talk some shit about you but I'm going to reinforce it with some positive stuff I think I'm not I'm not familiar with that technique. I'm just like I'm just going to roast it. You're just all over but I I really enjoy the story. I can't believe this is an eighty million dollar movie eighty million billion dollars as I had to go to salary. There's no I mean you have I mean the Oh God. I can't remember Claudia. I think is her name his mistress I got I'm GONNA fuck that out but she was in flaccid. She was in L. Word then you've got kookiness and in Washington and old men and race even Sanitec yeah a lot of this is probably going toward salary and I think that's almost ashamed because it's such a small movie it so simple. I think that the end in the movie the end in the beginning of this movie are white forty minutes long combined wind of just very very slow moving stuff to be completely honest. I think that this could even get away with like a whiplash devil level of like short film you know like they made whiplash first and then they made the full fledge movie. I think you could even do something like that. Something that's a lot smaller of a budget something that doesn't have like a lot of name brand stars in it and Denzel Great Oldness Great. I love all of them but I'd love to see a more indie stripped down version of this that doesn't have all the explosions and the gunfights and south now. I do enjoy enjoy those <unk> but I think those could be dialed back a little bit. I think it's so interesting that they say nobody has ammo in the wasteland but at the end we have a fucking insane firefight like twice like back to back okay. This is kinda crazy. I get it why they're doing it but it's just kind awesome we here. There's no ammo then everybody's got fucking guns and I and I think that's but it was interesting and I hated that they kind of like didn't stick to that. That's what I didn't love the the story of this like. I you know me I'm not a religious person. I like. I'm about his. I'm about as atheists you can get without having solid proof. I'm not GonNa ever tell anybody about what they believe and Blah Blah Blah and Yada Yada you know you and I come from very different backgrounds and still have very different belief systems but we make it work because we're not assholes about it but I the the thing of faith did not bother me about this even though growing up Church of Christ and being baptized like I know the story of the Real Ezekiel Ezekiel who was blind in the Bible and he has Samuel was kind of like his protege and stuff okay so I remember like a little bit about <music> out ahead of Google some more but the whole thing about faith is interesting because this is not a religious movie. This is a spiritual movie and I think that's such an important distinction make because I think it can make a lot of people it can drive a lot of people off. Somebody tells me this is a Christian movie <unk> not really that's not really thing but I think you tell somebody it's this it's more of a spiritual experience. I'm like okay. I can kind of get behind that you know it's more or less like even though it is the Christian God like you're like Your Dad said you can substitute anything in there. It is just the word of a God. Maybe not the God at a God something that other something that should even though I don't agree with it per se should be preserved in you know maybe brought back with maybe he brought back with some kind of because they said what I mean everything that happened with religion kind of led to the war right I mean isn't that what we're led to believe right exactly so I'm thinking maybe maybe not going to implement it as hard as they did before but it should still be. I think it's perfectly Gary. Oldman says he goes. It's it's happened before and it'll happen again. So societies fallen were back to kind of like the the days of just I'm bigger I battery murder. You and I take your shit kind of like the achieved days before we had a lot of like organized religion so something like that is what usually ended up being to galvanize people together and have some type of moral codes are I think I think I'm fine with the story that way but the whole thing of him blink being blind. There's just so ridiculous like not even the whole the fact that he makes direct eye contact with several people in this movie but the the fact that he never takes lick. I'm like man okay the thing that I don't get that he saying God is GonNa Protect Him and he won't die. I bought and that's fine. You still need to take damage like I want to see some. Maybe like daredevil netflixing daredevil level of damage. You should get the fuck beat Attia. Sometimes you're blind doesn't mean you're invincible and I think that's that's where it Kinda stretched it for me. I like you said is perfect. They should have had it somewhat ambiguous like they're saying that you start to notice as the movie goes on the you're like Oh. That's really odd especially on a second watching when you know what the twist is that you can kind of call things as long as they oh oh yeah that's totally a a a hit right here but instead of pulling up and showing the is for the cataracts. It's totally being yeah there. It is like man. I wish I wished I would have been close like it's it's not anything like we're focusing on his eyes and we don't really know why and we're just kind saying like what do you think do you think he's blind. You know he saying walked by walk by <hes> phase not by site and all these other things so. I don't know I think it's I think it's a it's a good movie with a few problems. I think that it's tries a a little too hard to pull that twist off when it hasn't really earned it. There's a lot of cool things I like. You said that they just WanNa left this ambiguous. It would have been fine it. It can go. I love movies. Allow you to different divergent pass and not forcing. Can you go onto one thing. You know what I mean like. I really appreciate the fact that this wasn't making me by into this this thing that he wo I wish this thing would have done that not push me one hundred percent in one way but I think that it's I think that is a very a good movie things very good movie problems and we can kind of get more end of that as we go on and on but but I really did enjoy watching this again. I'm glad acted I've been really wanted to get into into some post-apocalyptic sci-fi and I think about damn time we we could pick another one. I mean we already did that percent of the Mad Max movies and once wing so it's like Fuck Bach. I can't believe we did both of those faulk started having a panic attack after we did it now but Loyd you smooth you smooth voice bastard but those episodes were a lot of fun. You guys please check him out. <hes> you know road warrior eroded so we'd have afford fry from the pop list but I mean without really anything else. I just want to go ahead and get into this thing. Get into this bitch awesome this is this is so funny him. I mean you get right away. You get this insane fall out by the gas masks the whole shit falling trees like yeah. Are you familiar with fall out four or which one are you more familiar with out of the newer ones well full out three and four so this all of this reminded me of full lateral especially like he's like rubbing the freeways. Oh Oh yeah like I told Lindsey She's beautiful as I I've done that Darah soupy mutants rabbinate this bridge Bri yeah exactly there's there's going to be some of those. Some of the Merck's like gunners. Oh my God the governors owners are a pain in the ass that are actually well equipped like fuck but now this whole thing being in the trees rising of when you start getting towards the edge and a map and there's just that foggy kind of glow when you go start going up north and fall off four if you're not a fall off fan by the way you're not gonna like this episode to be boiling like you really need a voice and fall out. If you're into this kind of movie I was a huge Fan of new Vegas. I loved new. I never five nine one. That's that is a debt is a damn good story. It's probably the best out of three New Vegas and four and seventy six for sure. I think I think you Vegas has one of the best stories of all the great science fiction great like fictional history kind of thing it's it's it's potentially fantastic story to one of my favorites but also just Mo Monty monty connection. Malcolm McDowell is also in full story. I think Yeah Yeah Henry Henry Pattern or something yeah I definitely remember heaven and I I was like Oh. It's Muck modell yeah. I thought well the funny thing is. I'm like Oh yeah from Halloween. I'm like no with Donald Pleasant so fucked up now now now. I'm only thinking about now McDowell wave away no clockwork orange clockwork orange. He wasn't Halloway the remix mix but it's like thinking it's thinking of Alfred from Batman and you Jeremy Irons Not Mike Michael Fucker Dude Yeah but yeah we we opened with with with you is running in the forest. I love this whole fancy feast thing. He's got going on like trying to trying to catch this fucking. Please tell me you guys have fancy feast over there. You know aren't talking about right. I know you're talking about but now he died. Oh fuck okay now. Delicious sprinkle little crackers in there. It's really good but we love the gillies did the what the Gillies slop assume that he's wearing what that you said Gilly Gilly food as a Oh my God I gotTa Strap Myself into this chair. What the hell are you talking about no yeah the state is awesome like I don't even think it's really for any type of protection? I think Cam Oh yeah we never see him. Use It any other time in the movie league own ever talks about anything being really polluted so I was like okay cool. That's interesting. I dig it just a Cammo thing but but he's essentially I mean the first twenty minutes of this movie you can wrap up about sixty seconds worth talking to be completely honest. It's it's very long. It's not it's not Draghi. I don't have any problem with it that way that it shows us a lot about the world that he's in in. It's a damn good scrip because there's no fucking dialogue for ten minutes and we know what exactly what's going on. That's a sign of a good script. It's visual exposition yeah. The show Brian absolutes fantastic but we opened began allowing an ambush waiting for his fancy feast. He kills a cat. I'm going to get our opening title. I'm not for killing animals but hairless cats here the fuck outta enemy so K._O._M._O.. fucker need it they are they're fucking gross Egyptian Egyptians. I mean we're kind of given the front row seat to basically the day-today life of Eli Right. I mean he's hunting you scavenging. He celebrates finding the new pair of boots. He listened to his ipod. It redo book. I mean they're really I'm just kind of like summarizing because it's really just showing us day in the life of this the what's interesting about him finding the House that is such a great feeling honest when you walk through fall out and you're opening up house and just drawers totally unlike like Lindsey when I I got the xbox already playing this and she goes what is this game post apocalyptic and Blah Blah scavenging she goes. I just call this the walking game on my the basic game. It's Lord of the rings the Game Right Yeah. Basically that's all it is by the way I love that even in the future Keiser Moist Hal. That's still the shit dude I mean because I think they say I think the movie is set and like twenty twenty four twenty forty two it's either. I think it's it's not either way. It's it we will see it in our lifetime like it's only a decade or two or three away. I can't remember exactly what it takes place but I mean they're k._F._C.. Man I got the world. Is there the Disney of vast foods so ham Jesus Christ. You guys have those industrial yes K._f._C. fucking kidding me. Yes luck I don't I mean. I don't know I'm like couldn't live with that Cascais. Did that's Mandela's good food. That is dude. I can't eat it makes me. It makes me sick. It's like so so fucking. I'll get grilled chicken but you're young say is a lot different two hours. I've tasted IOS and it is yeah Allan Allan teisal better. It's deep fried each other garbage yeah. It's it's fried something out of ATAS chicken. I don't know if it's chicken no but I just I I love this. I love him celebrating getting the boots that so great enterprise walk did educators sorry go ahead. Just GonNa say fading the <hes> The the mouse some cat now you gotta come over here you can't you can't play hard to get like talking to the bugging mouse. Did you catch the plastic fiction on his feet. I guess those are socks. I was one logical like logistical thing that served but I guess I mean you don't want your feet just barefoot running around fucking Hana's booth all day you know holiday like protected from diseases something yeah I guess L. But I I I love the efficiency of everything he's doing. The cat oil. I guess he's I I I thought it was brushing teeth with it but he's running on his lips as like Oh yeah because he's dehydrated like he has to hydrate this stuff on his lips unlike I think they do a great job. What was that if you look at it? Everybody's lips in the movie will dry and row crackly for the most part as do that at that is such a fine detail. I think that's absolutely great that him. He he gets the boots he celebrates now. There's a few things off that he's blind right here him shoving off the doll the stuff off the shelves and he's kind of like making noise because if you when he's hunting the cat at the beginning you think that he's doing the to catch the cat. It's echo location like he does. He does echo locations hit several times to the movie. Did you catch that at all. I it didn't Oh shit like like when he there's a part where he's I can't pointed out but he literally walks up in Carnegie's right there and I think it's right when he's leaving town and they're going to try and stop him and he just kind of any clicks sexist tongues several times like two or three times out. The movie is like Oh shit it's echo location in what's so funny is when he's walking to the door where the closet with the dead body and he walks right into a table you blind Fox. Did you end. Did you catch that that I fear things like this time around but it's it's still like I'm still Sarah that twists dislike okay. I guess it certainly unearned with like Ed socks man because had he there's some scenes that will get to but had they stuck to their guns a little bit more at that it would have been really good but what cross that bridge when we get to it these celebrates new pair boots. He's listening to his ipod. <hes> fucking listen to the Reverend Al Green Love Al Green. He's a really really good senior. <hes> I'll take it. It's an pulp fiction when he went butch is in the club and he's doing that land together. Stay together. It's a really good song and that's that's great. It's plain in the cloud but he's he's in your ass goes down in. It's such a crazy juxtaposition with Al Green and this conversation's going on. He's really good. My parents really liked Al Green. I listen to him a little bit growing up said we're getting a few clues that he's blind and <hes> and we see him bust out this book. We don't really know what with entering even show US really the book. We're kind of like cuts off above. It are cuts down on the thing but I mean how long did it take you to pick up on the fact that this was a copy of the Bible because the twist of the blind things not nine libertarian unless you're just crazy good at guessing but the whole thing with the Bible was even kind of like a mini twist me you know I I put the Bible twist a lot a lot higher than the the concept twist now. When I was a sixteen year old I was like as blind the whole movie he's blind but the now dislike ma'am? I like to twisted the Bible much choice because that's like the fuck it and the threat of the entire story but I like a man like I again. I just wish it wasn't the Bible specifically. I wish it was something some religious text or something that people like look for like a symbol of faith. I wish something like that but I do I do that. I do like what they're doing with the story here for show and it isn't Braille like he can say him like holding to like he's he's. He's putting his hands out of the pages Disney Ray. He's got his is they cut the camera to where he just see. This is your clothes. It's well it was ours are closed. Has He reading the book like when you go back and watch it on a second veering Oh he's reading the book look with his hands. Got It dumb ass nine hour right. I've always wanted to learn a little bit of Braille or like American sign language like I've always wanted to learn those that you can get a really good job and help a lot of people out if you know how to speak A._S._l.. L. But I just there's not really I haven't really met a whole lot of you. Hear the know how to do it any oh so you know he goes to bed listening to the I fight with the mornings batteries dead kind of walks onto this woman attached to the <music> this. I was GONNA say Golf Card. The Grocery Cart Tishman flipped over when he I walked up as there is no way that woman is too well fed into hydrated. This is one of the first times I saw like don't do it man. There's raiders is going to be guy was shoulder pads and a Mohawk. Oh hawkin. It's fucking plot automatic nine millimeter got I. I love these situations in fallout because it's me and Nick Valentine. We're both empower armor and it's like you're fucked. I Love Fighting Raiders. You're like level sixty seven like every every vats shot. It's just blowing somebody's head off. It's so gory man. Oh this is this is this is one of my favorite sort of situations in red dead redemption where you just like happen across someone in native help and like United Nights that like look if if there's a gag that's about if I can pop out from behind the bush some shade or if they're genuine I love these like unscripted moments in games and to show like this this definitely like right. Maya labelle started. I was just like odd nine also just quickly one specific movie that this whole sort of like visual style just kept reminding me off and that was terminator salvation like I only saw the trailers little bit I definitely see that though yeah obviously post-apocalyptic but like he's like walking on the straight and stuff like right here in this saying towards a and I'm just like you you say the cause and like the fucking vehicle start about on the rides and I'm like man like that is totally like Terminator Salvation. You could swap the visuals stalls for button that both looked dollars shit but it's not really like a style that I really <unk> dig. I'll be like obviously that's something that puck anzacs. Nada will get really used eventually. I I dig the style man I really do but there's just a few coins rolling man. Just he's off that a little the pump the brakes just a little bit. I can use a little bit more color like I get it like the way that the world isn't stuff but they I mean Jesus Christ. This is damn near a fucking black and white. It's it's it's I mean the dark colors pop out his jacket jacket carnegie shock and stuff but really everything else McMahon. There's barely a fucking tend to everything but this I mean this were really see his proficiency this part with him being being locked under the under the bridge and this woman saying that you know l.. What is he saying best thing about? No soap would you can smell hijackers from a mile away and they'll pop al the he could smell us from thirty eight away. What's that say about hygiene? Will the the leader of this group. He seems so familiar but I couldn't place him at anything to you know him from anywhere. Okay I just WanNa make sure it wasn't crazy 'cause like it's also his speech pattern. I'd love his saying. He's like a man you are. I am impressed. Dressed put your back on the ground. Go ahead and what it out and it's like this was this guy on like was he. In Django like I feel I feel like this guy's got a crazy speech pattern especially when he's always as a can't do that friend take off the fucking pack or die. I I kinda makes me laugh the first time he says that he so over the top but such a great detail again the lips to crack Lipson stuff he is a I think it looks like he's a stuntman is not that much of an actor. Oh Wow yeah looking looking at his <hes> is little actually held on sorry. Maybe his name's Chris Browning haze from bright right. Donovan Westworld is for myself. Also nothing really that really springs to mind. It's Altay. Shit looks like that's interesting. Apparently some really good television shows. Though I mean those are dreaded off there I wouldn't I wouldn't have been part of those but but <hes> put his name just decimating these guys and this is another reason why there's a little bit more kate a little bit more evidence. I guess that he that he's blind. He you know he he sees the guy talking him but he touches them and when he shoves all right cool now. I'm locked on not now. I know exactly exactly where you are. I've heard it's also the reason why he carries around the shotgun. Why he I mean he has the pistol but the Schalken is always the first thing that he's going with because it's it's kind of just like a general you know it's got the spread blast to it so instead of having to use the pistol for accuracy which is still insane later on across that bridge this whole thing? He touched me again with that hand and you're not going to get back like oh ooh it's one point when he when he starts slipping back I've so thought he was going to be like and I will strike down upon you grave gin you fly Segel's the the and I think that this jewels from pulp fiction like thirty years in the future. That's all because he didn't you know he didn't sorry go have no. I was just going to say as he's backing away into the dock like I like. This is one of my favorite shots the anti movie it's it's one of the sequences that I fully remember like I love this silhouette sort of like fighting but like also has a sixteen year old. I was like man. I want to see more of this. I want to say this shit actually reminds me of the scene in sky full. This is also like silhouette sorta like action sequence hand to hand combat saying that bond has with another sort of like snape at it. I love this shit. I WANNA say more of this shit. You know I've never seen sky fall. It's good it's good. I've I've just never I've never been a big bond guy. I mean good movies but just never really got into the I mean Jesus this this whole scene it's so well choreographed Denzel Tinto Washington trained under Bruce. Lee's protege. I'm not sure what the guy's name is. I'm sure averages butch butcher at even trying to pronounce it <hes> but he was bruce. Lee's protege and he did all of his own stunts insisted that he do all these like all the choreography all these motions which is really impressive. I'm not only here but later on in the bar will be kind of it a little bit more close out now. I can't remember what we were what movie we cover but you had a great criticism about the action scenes where you're like. I one of these action seems to be pulled out a little bit more wanted to zoom out. I can't remember which movie it is for a life of me and I know that's GonNa drive you crazy. You said this thing on remember what it is the I think. The opposite is here where I wish they zoomed in. Just everything is like an elegant hide rotating three hundred Logan Dago thank you everything is like a rotating three hundred sixty degree way far back shot which is cool especially underneath his bridge which just the silhouettes. It's also an easy way way to get away with like what we didn't show any boy. He technically didn't show anything. It's also wetted. I think that's great. I think that that probably helps them as far as like the ratings and stuff go but I know it's I mean it's a beautiful shot. Don't get me wrong but it's the it's the problem. The problem here is the fact that we almost duplicate this again at the bar. Do you know what I'm saying. Yeah I get. I think that different enough I I added fully knowing actually. Can you fucking you say Clara. Well okay so all these shots that we see of him fighting. You know he's taking he's always taking on these groups guys so I understand that pulling back and showing knowing that how large it is in the scale of all these people he's fighting but they're always really far back. There's not ever like the fight except for when he comes that guy's arm off there's almost nothing that that close up again when it when it comes to like the hand-to-hand and fighting so I think like in the Bar I think the only thing they really do a shift on different as they just kind of like rotate the shot and that's that's. That's really all seems to be like there's a few of them. Maybe one or two they show him up close but other than that most of it's just rotating outside three hundred sixty degree shot. I kinda dig that they're like I it's it's different. It's different than <hes> like a lot of other sort of sort of like standard action sequences in other movies plus like the he's brothers odd very. It's sort of like action oriented directors like if you think about it like Menaces Society's not matched movie. I don't remember any fucking head dance. This isn't that maybe and from Hell like the other one that I've seen definitely not actually maybe so I think I did. I was genuinely surprised because like I much prefer like the the action pulled back like I much prefer that a lot more than like you know the born style sort of action sequences right see I'm a fan of it I just I wish they had done something. I like. You said it's different it for me. It's not different enough because it seems like almost the exact same even angle of the camera they do pull in a couple of times but man we just we just all this and those scenes barely even this. I fight is at the fifteen minute mark the barroom fight as maybe yes maybe ten or fifteen minutes later like man I just I just saw this onto lago and it seems like such a such a small nitpick but it's it's something that bother me like I <unk>. I just wish they would have done something a little bit different the second time around it is it is different but I think you know something. That's not just that rotating shot and it's cool. Don't get me wrong but it just it. Just you know hey you know just to some a little different. Let me come down your lot and sit in your chair and tell people what to do and direct the movie because let me tell you doing. That kind of stuff is what gets me in a fucking claws are reporting recording a podcast. You should listen to me because I know exactly what I'm doing. No Hollywood they would hear that a guy who runs a podcast somehow wants to write scripts and get into movies odd so original but you know he fights these guys off. He makes fucking Chop Suey out of I'm you turn them into fucking bochy steak the cutting guys arm off and then he goes and he's trying to like kind of pick up. He's like I told you aren't going to get that back and he just Kinda scoots it away from him on like God. It shows you just how I don't know weirdly truly efficient kind of like right now I said I was going to do this and I'm going to do it. You're not getting that back like what does it even matter but it's just because he said he wouldn't do it. I think that's great. I like the mercy he shows this guy kind of. He's like man yeah you did. Who are you and he just kind of gives them that I? I don't know it's not a very slow death. It's just that quick stab. You know I'm like okay cool. The guy drops like that but I think it's also telling that he doesn't take the women's water the fact that he knows that she's not going to survive out here if he takes that and it's like man you know even though I'm not putting a gun to her head. I'm killing her if I take this. That's what I took away from it. Hasn't that's cool hit. He just leaves water behind. Fuck it but these guys are cannibals. This is a big thing that pops up in this why they asked to see the hands. You know what I'm talking about yeah. They've got mad cow disease right. It's it's kind of like neuro lights. I can't remember what the diseases yeah what they gotTa Foia so it's it's it's like it's occurred as as so it's creutzfeldt-jacob disease <hes> basically yeah mad cow and that is caused by aiding Human Brian Spinal columns which is wild now. I've also heard that that's something you can't get like. It's almost like generational. It would have to be something for years or decades. You've been doing it and for interest for it to take effect like that and I think okay that's entering. I remember that next time I'm eating someone but the I think this is great this woman. Where are you going West? Can icon nope shut the fuck should a bitch uh he finds up these scavengers total road warrior vibe with this couple. The biker gang shows up in this part is dark. This is some darned Shit Dude like this. I was immeidiately thinking of ride. Warrior Standard is this kind of Shit always makes me extremely uncomfortable like it's one of the few things I can't like to me. That's just I mean that's just another form of torture. That's like one of the worst forms Porta torture you can inflict upon somebody male or female to do that then like good God that is fucking tier and the fact that this is such common practice in here and I think it also we're expecting. I know the first time I saw like hell yeah. You is going to go down there and fucking. Can I throw some blades and shed and he just doesn't do anything. I'm like what the fuck like. I think the first time like it shocked me. The first time I saw like this is the guy who's supposed to be our hero and he's not doing anything about this but it's not indirect conflict. He's like I can't Dan. I think it also shows you that this world is so polluted with this shit that there is no way you can't save. Everybody and he's like you've gotTa Pick your battles like I'm lucky I came out on top of that last one if I do that twice a day every day. I'M NOT GONNA to make it out you know like what did you think of this when you I saw like where you shocked by this or did you were you. Just Kinda like oh well. I guess I understand why yeah because you you do get him like telling himself. He's just like you know. It's you gotta stay on the Pottstown down the path but I it's it's. It's a bit much like I get this happens and stuff like it felt like it went on forever. Feel like say this movies. Whatever they portrayed tried Mad Max Injured Roy? It feels like it goes on forever and I think we rise out of the podcast to it was just like damn like this. This feels like it's going on for very long todd. It's not it's not too graphic but the fact that we not only get one two of these kinds of scenes in this movie. It's just like Oh man like like his brothers he can he can pull back from this. Just just a little bit. You know sorry go ahead in test him like not intervening it makes sense given that his characters kind of like on this on this journey but he's also like he's also driven by like the word of God and stuff cited like shouldn't he kind of innovation as well right so basically all I get it so God can't do everything got it none. It's going to be so fucked. Take away from it podcast over with goddess powerless no just some crazy shit. We just got an email from the poke. We're going to be shutting down. He doesn't even know what a podcast is. But where SEAN INITIATIVE IS I. I don't like what you said about the church but like I think you have a lot of problems. You need to fix in Yorkshire. I Yeah I saw actually dude. I survey just quickly. I saw today it was like <hes> from the written written for like the perspective of Romans. It's like while the American stole various fifty one storm the VLADIC interrelated children. Oh God that's fucking rain. Just send him the link to our spotlight episode now Pope Francis is he's all right. He's he seems seems like there's there's things about him. I like just not a fan of that shit in general but hey that's my own shit like fucking current his anyone so yeah he he ignores completely ignores this double murder in sexual assault put sixty all assault and that's Great Colin ticket real serious spell fucking wrong and you're now it's it's great while this. I like what the scavenging game that kind of lured him before we see this kind of there's so many traps what's being said in this with the way he lures. The cat is the same way that they lure him in kind of I mean he's just happens to be walking but he saw the woman I guess I assume he saw the white now as he like Stevie wonder blind or is he like daredevil blind. You know what I'm saying like. I I mean I think I think that's fair. That's a fair question. I'm not trying to like next wonders of fucking wonderfully talent. I I'M GONNA joke out of it like like. 'cause you know what I mean. Kind of daredevil has that he has a sonar but I think that's comic book blonde like Yes blood well yeah I like. I think it's kind of like radio radioactive waste or something got in his eyes. He's now completely like like like and there are plenty of people people who use echo-location on a daily basis who were blind. They've fucking ride bikes like riding bikes on the road and fucking blind and not hitting Shannon like that is crazy. There's some guy that didn't washing read about six forty year old guy he lived in Japan had a job wrote a bike all by himself and he's fucking blind and uses echo-location. I'm like that is that is crazy. That's so interesting to think of like because you have to think if he is blind his hearing is going to be heightened so of course Hobie able to pick things up a little bit more but but when he's been the beats headphones and like I can I couldn't imagine being blind and putting headphones anime well every one of my every one of my primary defenses are down. I touch that's it. That's all I can contest and touch and smell his his smell. It's great we get that but like you can't smell bullet dude you can't I'd love to see some bullshit superhero smell and then just dodge a boy can smell a bullet from a mile away but he he makes his way into this Niro Colin shut up. Shut your dirty fucking mouth. I'm going to be honest if this ever happens. I'm a Cohen I'm coming to Australia and I'm just going to eat you. I'm just GONNA eat you do it's over heads man. He's taking his dump by what the fuck drinking my coffee theon Metros fucking go and dry and talking about sexual assault eight Australian people but he makes his way into this town. I like to say this is good. Free you good springs from fall on New Vegas or maybe newtown from fallout three <hes> and he goes into charges ipod. He goes to this guy the engineer. Do you know who this guy. Tom Waits come on his his music is not really my kind of thing. I don't really into a bombing guys. Is You gotta you give them grow like he was a big inspiration on heath ledger to play the joker and even read about that to the other day. There's an infamous interview with him that he's ledger just studied and really got into that. He's you know he said it was a mix between like sid vicious and Tom Wait. I'm like Oh. That's that's fucking cool and I. I guess I can Kinda see it. He's not copying that he's just taking pieces away from it. which I think is really cool but this is not the first time he and Gary Oldman Marin Bram Stoker's Dracula together? I was yeah yeah. He's playing R-enfield Greenfield no mostert he's great. I always think Dracula didn't loving it. Have you ever seen that one with Leslie Nielsen. I've always wanted to but like Tom. Lights is an actual like he acts to like. He's an actual ACTA. He was in Domina that that may be way the Keira Knightley and like ninety Scott Yeah I think I think his what his first forays like music but he does. It's kind of like acting as like A. It's Kinda like how you Taylor swift pop up in movies. You know okay. That's a tear. I can't believe I just compared. I'm waits to wisely Clara the trial with cats Cavuto yesterday and that is blowing up the Internet. It's weird. It looks like a bunch of like furry deep fake porn. You know what I mean. It just looks like well. I wanted to fuck a cat but I really liked Taylor swift so every every bit of that looks weird it it looks like Neon Katy cat depict for and that's all I'm thinking I'm show show I'm going to be getting my thoughts out of the next up coming attractions upside. I'm sure if you go see it. I'll be amazed I you know what I'm Kinda intrigued just because of the director at as soon as people are walking into the theater like and here's your complimentary complimentary glasses and to develop gotta take right for you sit down <hes> but he makes his way into this nearby town. He's charging his ipod. He <hes> meets. Tom Waits while we get this. <hes> one of the first things about seeing the hands when you were talking about this disease now at first I had forgotten about this. I thought this was just something something like a disease or spots or something you would see on the hands first and then upon this watch like Oh what they're talking about. The shakes got it. Yeah I remember it definitely being some kind of identifiable like from you and like I couldn't remember those cannibals ables or not but I remember it was something from you like the savage out this up to like that right exactly but he goes across the street while he's Owen a Wollo the shotgun flip whoa that is fucking cool. Yeah that is one of my favorite parts of this whole bitch. Yeah I write that Denzel likes to do this shit and his movies apparently well. That's just the theory that I have because he doesn't in the equalizer like he literally. There's a guy he's got like a pistol to his temple. Any dislike is like grabs in one shot. It's like and winning. Does it here with the shuck under that Shit's plucking bat US especially I mean he's just he reminds me of Patrick swayze in Roadhouse near ways I he's you know tell somebody to get the fuck out but be nice turns the shotgun and he gives it right back to on. He goes here ticket. I'm just a customer. I'm just a customer but he so chill about shit especially when he's like. I'm going to get something out of my pack. Take your finger off the trigger and he's like yeah. Okay Okay Yeah. I like how this is just commonplace for them to probably it's just it's not even crazy to have a loaded shock on point blank on you while you're doing some kind of transaction like it's it's become so commonplace. I I gotta say when the World End you know I I it sucks. I don't want it to turn into this but at the same time I think I'm GonNa live for I may I'm not gonNA live for fifty fucking years but like I'm going to outlast like if this were like pudgy or like h Wednesay one or something like that outlast at least like a a couple of dozen people. I'm going to get picked off and I'm going to get eating. Someone's GonNa have call on our card but like I'm going to survive longer than the average Joe. I think you said the same thing she can shoot me in the head and eat me. I'm fucking John. I'M NOT GONNA make it and I'm like all right cool. Can I get that in writing. I actually my dog Tom. Tom I rename my dog and fallout Ford and aim. 'em Tom Tom since he's got the golden lab like Maude so he's as I literally looks and has tomtoms aim like just me and Tom. Tom Road Ryan the graceland rolling through but he goes any weights at the local watering hole the orpheum which I love that name that's that's that's really interesting. <hes> yeah this guy at the bar. Do you know the one movie that when I know him from but he hasn't been I mean he's been in plenty of south but what I think he's most well known for it. You know who he is. God The by the one that he like slaves like the one that kids his OSCE kicks. Yes exactly yeah yeah I looked. I looked up there. All I know is that he's the ugliest motherfucker the planet John Head. John is what I remember this well. He's an eight mile. He's Cheddar Bob and the foot. That's that's I'd love eight mile. It's a good movie the the hilarious parts there's a friend of mine. I was GONNA compare him to all right. Well never mind. I'm not gonNA draw that now. You like ugliest motherfucker. Hi and I'm like our Scott Sam. I know I'm sure I'm sure he's a guy like body was hope you feel good about. Just sit the Zimmer for a little while. I'm show many Gill Swipe left on ten left and I said left on peppis. Well you know he goes this local. Watering hole weren't used to Carnegie who's reporting the members of his crew for bringing back an assortment of books but states that they haven't found the one he's looking for. I love the Oxford Encyclopedia Davinci. I mean I mean it makes sense. There's so many copies of that made at the time like if if if this movie were made five years or ten years later would've been fifty shades of gray like totally being something like that individual trash like I can never read it. It's trash. I've read a look ten Brown's a good writer but like that book is trash. I like when he says burn the books I immediately got like a Nazi image in my head but but then I remember that is probably like Davinci Code. I'm like you know what it's fine. Yeah well it definitely summons up like some Fahrenheit four fifty one shit. I'll put like Lindsay's read that I actually got the chance to read it but I really like Ray Bradbury. He wrote that story that I told you I'm just in love with they made a movie out of called the Halloween tree the great animated movie. I'm like obsessed with it to be completely honest if I if I hear the soundtrack I'm just like Oh man nostalgia and he's such a great writer right. Ray Bradbury's really really interesting guy but so this mia we were introduced him. He's Yes as burn. All the other books were also introduced a race Stevenson is I can't remember exactly what like Red Red Braid or read read brain or something like that. I can't remember more Edridge redbridge thank you. I like the the names in this Carnegie Eli Salora Redbridge. I like that I liked the names of this interesting. It's not just John and Bob and Tom and I love the name Carnegie. That's so interesting. It's also on this. I've got a question for you either. Yeah you're living in a world where shampoo is a rarity right like it is a it is a racehorse. What kind of dusty US Pussy is this guy about? Two guys the what I'd love. I'd love if you're like. He's I go go ahead and tell him so until you get all the pussy. Your voice can handle. He's can I get like a handful of that before I go down there. I gotta go take care something something is he. He is about to walk into a death sentence to like. He's about to pick up some shit. I mean as soon as he goes into that thing. It's going to be like India getting chased by the fucking stone rolling stone. You know what does it tipple assume does right as raiders sorry. I can't remember I honestly never really watched the hell out of this but I know him but yeah good God yeah I can only imagine because that's one injury interesting thing in like even fall out four are they tend to stay away from like the sexual stuff which you know in like they stay away from from hookers. They kind of stay away from the sexual assault. which is I know I mean who in God's name whatever put sexual assault in the Game Jesus Christ like they might mention something about it? We're character has experienced that like guy can only imagine the kind of wasteland pussy that you would get from from somebody like you wind up fucking someone fucking somebody in in your is your Dick is going to travel ducks from Fury Roge- White Scaly with length white pass all over it and she I guarantee the women that's working at this at the orpheum. The vaginas look like blue awful like Oh God yeah just looks like it just looks like a sideways rb Sandwich Yeah just quickly also something we didn't rise. This is the first time we've ever talked about. Denzel Washington filled like I it is true. They like wait like I in entire with like what you're talking about. Las Wake with spot them it into the spot of us. This is not the the movie that I thought we'd fest talk about about Denzel with right yeah. I honestly you kind of you in slipped my mind because I I guess this good moments talk about Denzel. I like him. I got no problem with the Guy I do think he is kind of the same person initiative movies I think he I think I think you you can argue that successfully. I don't think that that means he is a bad actor. I think that he has found a niche for him. That's really remember the Titans John Q.. There's a lot of movies of his degree in training day the shit that I grew up with early two thousand ten even like Philadelphia Adelphia fallen think those are all fantastic movies but he he's not when you compare into someone like Gary Oldman and Gary Almonds Villains Yeah you can say like he's a bit of an overactive maybe sometimes they they kind of together but they are you you like there's a huge difference between Gary Oldman and natural-born-killer versus Gary Oldman into professional versus Gary Oldman and Dracula versus Gary Oldman Book of Eli though they're all so different Air Force One nice. He's such a very different actor Denzel but I think that's personally. He's not one of my favorite on the planet I. I don't think he's overrated. I just wish he switched up a little bit more but Gary Oldman is probably one of the early actors that is like that out there like like he is one of the most versatile actors like on the fucking planet to like I I think I think Denzel is one of the greatest actors full-time Just GonNa throw that out there like he he he does have he. He has folded into a niche like he has found something extra for him and that's fine but men if you go from like the character that he plays in training day to the character that applies in floods right because flight like hey he's a lot more introspective. He's a lot more broken but that those services absolutely completely stand apart but then like he also does movies like the equalizer where he's a fucking John. We kind of character like he's not scared to take on roles like that. I think I think it man like He. He's always he always elevates a dog shit script and I applaud him for that day right. I think that if you can compare him to somebody I would say that he's kind of like he's kind of like a black young reeves for the White Denzel Washington like great in sci-fi Great and action careers kind of started at the same time they both have have you know they hit big in the nineties. Maybe in the two thousand the saints kind of like he you know he's like you said you've got training day and show like that that comes out in the early two thousand but it seems like now since two thousand thirteen two thousand fourteen in on like there's kind of like this resurgence in their careers especially key honorees Jesus Christ. He's he's kind of having this McConnell's on so I kind of moment but I I think that I think that Denzel does a great job but I just I wish you is a little bit more diverse. I think you can say the same thing about a lot of actors that are like him. I think you can say the same thing of something like Bradley Cooper. You know like my kind of actor or somebody like if I'm going new school I'm saying like Jig Jillian Hall Ryan Gosling. Oh yeah but my older kind of actor is somebody like Rutger Hauer Orlando Henrik Senator Christopher Walken or Jeff Goldblum like somebody who's kind of got that court going on and I think Gary Oldman falls into that group like the Quirky Kite of nece versus is like then Dell is more of like the straight man. He's the average Joe. He is the cipher for us the one that we see things through so he doesn't really play a lot of you know it's kind of will Smith Will Smith kind of the same guy initiate ton of his movies. He just may be changes his motivations out but that doesn't mean that it's a bad thing it means that he's mastered and hone that down really well might not be something. I'm a fan of it's kind of like when somebody's like man. That bent sucks. It's like now that ban does not suck you do not that you have to agree that the band or group is most likely talented but it's what they're doing what you don't like. It's not the skill itself. It's how they're using. It and I think that's such an important distinction to make that people forget about sometimes and just kind of pain something so shit. He's I got that movie socks and Mike now. It's just executed not in the way that you like really really the only way I think to put it but I mean he fucking turns Jesus Christ. He shoes the cat away. You know this guy is giving them shit for it and holy fuck man he fucking. I like like he bar stops this fucking dude wig then and 'cause you know that when this guy his teeth you're gonNA get infected. He's GonNa wind up getting sick. He's going to be useless. They're they're going to trick them out at the bar. He's going to give them the old no danger adventure because all of his teeth are knocked out. I'll do this guy's life just from that one fell swoop Jesus Creek is. I don't think we really see him again do we. I don't remember seeing him in the shootouts or anything that they saw the fucking Tanya Fuck and put a dog hall around his neck and they leave him diminish shed in the bag. It's called the fuck. Shak that's right. That's what they're like. Hey listen. I mean we gotta make useful somehow. He's probably like a little DAB now where they call you not Nancy fifty fifty bucks a month fifty laser water all the tale of a peacock gag reflex rex yeah so he you know they wind up fighting with him at the bar. This'll things like the fighting fifteen minutes ago this rotating thing now the one thing I do love about this that is different do are you paying attention to Denzel face. Are you're watching his is. Did you notice this not not particularly his is. He's never stairs directly at an opponent he's not he's never like looks to somebody and then moves. He's he's kind of saint to the floor war against it's good but again. I think that you need to show him taking a beating. He can't dodge every single one of these men like he no. He doesn't need to get fucking stabbed in the back and cut fifty different ways but he needs to have a chair broken over him. He I need someone has the power of God. Just shut the fuck up all right like the pirates go for how'd that go for Joan of arc for her. I'll wait how'd that go for Jesus. Oh Yeah No. I'm just kidding Nelson across it like one thing one thing I dont like and like day trying to show it and this happens a lot dirt in a lot of shitty action movies the one by one attacking yes. I hate that Shit. I hate eight that Shit so much I think they do. They do a decent job of I never should though like they cut a lot here like they do the rotating thing but they also do a lot of cuts right. They do shit tunnel carts. I do think that it's it's one at a time fighting but it's I don't know they're kind of like they're feeding in one by one but I don't know yeah. There's really no way to justify that it's it's like you're constantly. Who in God's aim at these guys are just some bad bad as fighting motherfuckers? I mean who in the world would just say all right everybody discharge him like one at a time and I do like there are parts for three or four people rushing him and he takes one guy in Seoul swings him into two and stabs this Guy Hi and does all of this crazy you know like a like a like a sous chef just like a Sushi chef just fucking flying around between his white around and shit but I think that it's a bridge too far. You're telling me this guy is one hundred percent blind and just I'm not buying. It and I think that this movie would be made so much better. If Hey at the end we start zoom in on his eyes and one of them is blind. The man you know and the inland the blind the man with one is king by cool. That's interesting like you could even say that you know it's his faith that makes him not blind to this. Everybody else's blinds. They've given up on these things and you know. Even I think it's just like you said it's better left ambiguous and we don't need one hundred percent. We don't need to see the totem at the end of conception fall all we don't need to see that we will make that decision for ourselves when we leave the theater. We don't need Jew spelling that out for us. I think it's unnecessary. Wouldn't it be enough of Carnegie opened up the Bible in it. Rail plenty of people who are blind know how to read the Braille. It's not illegal. It's not physically impossible or if he'd open it up and it's like this books in Spanish or like this book is in French or it's in Latin fucking put it in Latin. It could be an ancient tax like there's so much stuff that you don't have to make him blind for his. It's just too much of a stretch man. It really is and I think it's it's unfortunate because had they just let that out and let the IT. It's it's for me. It was a mini reveal that he has a Bible. That's cool. That's interesting like that's that's. I didn't nothing to say Oh my God. I just didn't and see the common. The guy's name is fucking elected. The macguffin is the Bible I do love that fish oh boy in and also hits a point to where if if Carnegie wants it. Why do we have to get to a point where where we have a shootout and you get shot over the Bible you already have it memorized? Just give it up and leave like why do you have to take with you learn how to do it. It's like you. I mean what's the point. We ended up coming to apart. You parted with it anyways. I don't know that's maybe that's just the sign of faith that he knows it well enough. I don't know that's a whole other. They we ended up go around for days with that. Oh why the Whoa what's his reasoning for not giving it to Carnegie or sharing it with Connie. I don't not not well okay well. I take that back. Maybe he knows because <hes> slurs mom comes and she gives them the food and water and he knows that she's blonde and he says we know were you was at the sun or was it the bomb she goes. I was born this way. She's born this way. She probably it had to read Braille but he doesn't know. Maybe he's thinking well. If I give up the book there she is a translator right here in the town like he wouldn't even have to go searching for one so I guess I can kind of. I guess I've kind of see that you know maybe that playing it from that angle because he does seemed like a guy that he's almost like a <hes> to me. He's like a Christoph Waltz King Scholtz kind of God. He's at all the bases covered. He knows what's coming before it gets there and he probably knows that if he gives that book over somehow even if she doesn't want to she'll be manipulated into translating. Insulating that like do you. What do you think of that? Yeah I can say that for show but like now I'm just thinking about like why okay with Carnegie's endgame like he's he he wants the he wants the Bible he wants to text full of Palo like right because because like like whoever has the whoever has that tax like has has pal people believe things like that essentially and allies and game is to get this Bible to the coast based so they can mass produce the Bible again. I don't know like I if they messed produced the Bible that will result in people believing again right so are that's the endgame before of Eli so isn't isn't allies in Carnegie sort of like endgame civilized except Connie's doing like in his process he gets Palo but but like both both of the both of their sort of endgame result and like <hes> people essentially believing again Rod Brian. I guess it's the same as an example. Let's it's like winning. The lottery like Eli doesn't doesn't want to get the lottery ticket take fifty percent and then distribute the rest but he wants to distribute the entire hundred percent of the wealth and I think that might be the only kind of distinction between what they're talking about because I gotta say there's some Shit Cardi who says to make sense like his but I think his actions speak louder than his words we saw links that he's willing to go to <hes> and maybe not in our fucking comfy cushion little two thousand nineteen or we're not living in this kind of world. We can say all that's fucked up but it's like man it throughout history like all like a lot of progress was made on the backs of some terrible actions in some very horribly afflicted people. I mean that's just kind of like the way that it is. I'm not saying that that's okay are that justifies is that I'm just saying that sometimes when you when you're setback to this type of standards of living I mean it's kind of like nature's laws like what what can happen will happen. Like whatever is physically possible is what's going to happen so I think that I I I'm not saying I agree with what he's doing but I don't think that this is a man who resorted to violence and prostitution in threats of death right away. He probably tried something different. I and ended ended up coming to this conclusion that most people aren't gonNA listen you into you. Shove a barrel of a gun in their face and I think that's what's interesting about. Carnegie is it's very easy to write him off and say that he's two-dimensional bullshit kind of evil guy that wants to control people with the Bible but he Mexico compelling case he he saying I don't listen. I've done some terrible things but if I have that book I don't. I don't have to do terrible things anymore but you can say well. You never had to do them in. The first place is a really interesting argument there. He's kind of making excuses morally for what he's doing. You know he's doing kind of moral backflips to get to like when he grabs solarz mother by the hair is Claudia grabbed her by the heroine. He's like you're hurting your mother's Laura. It's like no no no. No no no no why you don't get to do that. You're not you're like you're not scapegoating responsibility ability onto her because you're saying you have to do this to get the book but I don't know I think that I think there could definitely be a movie taken from Carnegie's perspective then seeing exactly what his intentions are because they made a few comic books out of this. Did you know that was just that man. I feel like some of this is based on a comic book like there's some really sort of like Vertigo esque shots yes in the movie. The movie came first. Apparently the huge brothers big on storyboarding awarding they store border stored a damn near every single shot every single shot that was to reported baited into the movie for the most part except for two or three deleted scenes but they had graphic graphic artists designers come on and drew all these scenes out him shooting a cat at the beginning you can find them online and the thing with Oh God not almost said Cardigan Connor Gate Jesus Carnegie Jesus meant a smell burnt toast for a second. I was GONNA have a stroke Carnegie. Negi <unk> entering <unk> names Billy Carnegie and his Comic Book Starts With Him as a kid. The parents are alcoholics who's been whose sin money off constantly to these religious groups but they live in like a shanty house and they're losing all their money. They beat him and shit in one night he gets up poured gasoline through the House Lights House on fire weather drawn pass out and just leaves like Whoa seems like Gary Oldman move yeah it was like that's some that's fucking. Mike Nets character origin right. There really tells you a lot about him but was he justified justify for doing what he did. I mean I don't know it's right right when all the bombs started falling and Shit so was he'd better offered in that I don't know I it's kind of crazy at Carnegie. Just presents a lot of interesting questions because what he saying is he does he but he just flat out say that this is a weapon so I don't think his intentions are really all that well. I guess he at the end like he wants people to know this book but he has to his his success has to piggyback off of the rise of this book and I think that that's where it's like well. You weren't really doing it for the right reasons so I think that's where things get like kind of grave who's to say carney gets the Bible and he doesn't print any other of them. He's like I have the one this is it. You have to take me for my word versus. These guys on Alcatraz are probably going to mass produce use this shit so I think that's probably more the distinction right there but but yeah so he fucking yeah he fucking treads these guys up there are the the rest of the game you know when they're closing in on him. He's reading genesis three seventeen kirsty the ground for our sake both thornton thistles this Xiao bring forth for us for out of the ground we are taken and for the dust we are into the dust. We shall return slice. The nicest to these guys slower eventually walks out meals for him to stop Carnegie Sits Down with Eli and ask for him to come and worked for him but he refuses Carnegie then offers him to stay the night and enjoy the hospitality a little little advice walker. It's not a choice. Oh there's always choice. That's that's a good line is a very good line dig that and of course this is Carnegie you know buying people out like right away and he can sense that. There's something different and Eli as well. I mean I'm sure the guy took on fifteen people on a bar. Didn't he walked without a scratch so yeah I'd like Hey. Can I come live with you. Can you protect me forever but he's shown quote unquote hospitality. He's locked in his fucking room. <hes> he's shown some hospitality by Claudius Celera's blind another walls Laura herself this forced to try and Seduce Eli Man. That's fucked up shed I like this. alaric comes any smells the shampoo he asked if she were she was blinded in the in the war or the I'm sorry in the in the warned bombs and fell or if it was from the sun says she's born blind <hes> this all this shit is great the with with both of them coming in <hes>. What did you think of 'cause I mean? It's really just a short sima cloudy. There's not a whole lot to talk about. We're just kind of introduced to her. I right there. It is interesting that we have another blind person like on the premise. It's kind of gives them. Something toy related about I I do like the scene between them. Even how albeit how small like it is I think that's interesting but of course they send Salora this scene but between Claudia and Oh god Jesus how our allies naming uh-huh Cardi Ghana Jesus Christ God Dan Dude I swear got him dying over here. We're not taking well. He's she's begging him not to since Laura in he's like I need to get some kind of use out of her for one so you assume that this is never probably never happened. She never been turned out like that but I mean it's like that's one thing that does Kinda chat my ass like I like me Lewis in this. I think she does a great job but I can go without the she looks like a revlon model. Still I'm like wipe all that fucking makeup off like Dell look at her and I'm like dude. I'm not saying I'm not one of those. I'm not telling Oh you had address or how to look. I'm just saying that if you want me to believe that this is a post apocalyptic future you can knock that should now like a little bit but I guess they are of a higher class. If they're with Carnegie you know like they do. They put up with a lot of Shit for reason you probably for provides hides them show like that. We should definitely get into the specifics of the makeup of this fictional world and how Lori L. and all the Shit Works Bylane. Maybe she's seen <music>. The were instead yeah he rejects her but she begs to stay out of fear that her mother will be abused if she fails. That's I love that that's that's such an interesting. She's smart. She knows exactly what's can happen if she walked the door and she doesn't have a book or she doesn't give them some kind of information. That's absolutely so realistic. Fantastic <hes> did tonight we see the to talk about the old world and they have meal together with Eli Teaching her how to pray. What did you think about these siege war? We're picking up out of this yeah like this way. I'd like it's I mean number. One it takes you'd have to be blind to turn down Mila Kunis right but I like. I like Alexa Laura here like I like how desperate she. She's like like what you said. He'll fucking my mom if I did this right but it's it's good because she's also very curious like she. She's just wondering what the fuck the book is. Unshaken even raid. I I like how defensive ally is too because he's just like he's so he's driven with his mission. That is just like. I don't want any distractions this at all right. Yeah I mean I'm sure he loved to get in there and fucking bumper guts around but he's on a mission I can I can't can't I can't take off work baby. The next morning still are returned home and praise over breakfast with her mother. which carnegie catches that so good eh again <hes> I guess that's everything for now as a man of Oh dude as soon as he said that you like she's in Devia always in deep shit right exactly well? You say like Carnegie's like it's like shot from by but you say his head stop up white. What exactly I I love Gary? Oldman has that great southern Baptist feel like I feel like I went to church with this guy or I work with this guy. I know oh it's even something like Megan. Walking dead was such an inconspicuous he was fucking. I'm telling Comic Book Megan you know he is a fan favourite but you didn't. We didn't mean that at all you didn't made avenue. I loved you for De Morgen editor now well. It's an he says such from such innocuous beginning from just a small unassuming beginning that this person would rise rise into this tight. It's always the last person you expect the that's interesting and I that seems very believable out of Carnegie through violent derogation he forces her to reveal that he is indeed possession of a Bible Carnegie Russia to utilize room policy that he has vanished ego gets his ipod back from the engineer Carnegie's crew confronts him outside with shootout ensues fucking Red Ridge shooting that fucking do that's great. It's like I'm sorry. I'm sorry what I'm so you guys have to go around them. Yeah exactly it's very like what are you darth vader on the on the desk certain on the desk charged dry wet. He's like hey worsen Laura. Are We said we trade. I have altered the deal. Pray I do not know yes. This is where we get this week at the shootout. He's more he and he's also he's manipulated Salora. That's a really great scene. I just didn't WanNa go pass that too quickly great great physical acting from from from the two of them and I love all of it was so Laura Holding up the cross with her fingers because she can't read. She has no idea like this. This is good man symbols official right so the a shootout ensues I love him. Why often getting ipod back he's like all right just unplug or okay just unplug it? Lucky Kinda gets pissed and he's Utah Force you to do it. Say to me say back and he's so Nice de so nice. Tom Waits yes so this the shootout happening. Carnegie is injured in many men are killed with Eli leaving town so this is where I start calling complete and utter bullshit <hes> with this pistol shooting people from forty feet away headshots like now man like I don't care how blind you are like okay like I don't care if you have complete site like you have to have twenty twenty vision in be so proficient with firearms to get be able to get that shot off like they're even the range of the pistols themselves like I know that's going to go for a while but this is just it's a stretch and that's what I'm saying like. I I really enjoy this movie but I think they just dialed this down a little bit just make this four or five guys having shootout with him and he's not just some superpower neo from the matrix like bad ass things. They scaled all this down just a little bit. I enjoy this movie. I would enjoy this movie more. Likely what are they saying here. Saying like the power of God is like helping him with his aim. I E I mean I think yeah we'll even say that later on after he saves Solaar from from those scavengers they're like Oh. It's it's like he's protected by something like he's invincible or something. I'm like wow waited. JUST MR MR state the obvious here drop that on everybody also how much God is fucking hiding your bullets that shock on does not have that range no fucking God that is for one thing it. The shot is from thirty feet away. He kills one guy and clinch curiel lag. Wow this is this must be like Golden. I have pool trigger and people die immediately often hit close like Gary Oldman you cut to that shot of Ridge of looking around. He's like what how did that happen so isn't that fucking God gutting fucking shotgun bullets what the fuck this movie no yeah. We'll get some like crazy. Kennedy Magic Bullet Theory Roll like little little the we know that God was totally only Harvey Oswald side and he garden He guided the bullets act along the left back to the left. Is that Bill Hicks. That's fuck it from J._F._K.. The movie Oh Yeah Yeah Bill Hicks do that and he said all the time he's like you know because he shoots him from the front. His head goes was back into the left. It's so fucking good. That's that's the Elvis died J._F._k.. Gotcha Gotcha Gotcha Gotcha this scene. I do dig. It is shot well I do I like like the fact that he empties the clip of the pistol and he just drops it and he's goodbye and just start shooting. What the shotgun I just you know? It's a little bit over the top for me. It's it's gratuitous. I didn't need him. Doing this. Insane Shit again. If you skill this back just a little bit than it so much much more ambiguous later on I can say well what he's doing is not crazy if he shoots guy pointblank in the chest with a shotgun and they're all shooting him somehow he's able to get away. I believe that more than you know him pot going out there with his David versus Goliath slingshot kind of thing and annihilating all these guys I just don't buy it but on the roads <hes> he leaves Lara follows him and bargains with him for water. She'll take into their supply if she can come along but he tricks her locking her behind in the cave. I love that that's great because hey what are you doing when you said you take me with. You know you said you take me with you. I didn't say Shit I had never said take you and we get a little bit more Carnegie's kind of in tenure. She says he knows of two or three other springs up north and he wants to open up more settlements. It's like I guess like what he's doing is inherently good quote unquote but like it's going to be at a cost of all these people like he's going. He's kind of like the guy that loans you twenty bucks and will hold that over your head and now Belle haven let me on the cigarette. I you know man. I just bought this back. Oh Dude I. I'll let you borrow- twenty bucks like I hate the people that will help you out with something like that and then used to dangle over your head you know I've I've done that before where it's like did if you're GonNa let me borrow something or let me use something <hes> yeah you know like I appreciate you helping me out this. That doesn't give you like leverage to kind of like bargain over me was off. You know what I mean I always I think that's where that's where Carnegie's kind of fucking up. You know. He's very selfish about it. He's he doesn't really care about these. People that was good for them is good for him. I and I think that's what separates him so much from Eli in their intent there intend togethers what's important. It's a selfish selfless right exactly one hundred percent so carnegie since his men off to find Eli and Reg Ridge bargains for Celera. I love this thing with Redbridge you gotta you've really get a sense that he cares about her like he. He doesn't he's not if he wanted to you know he probably could've he probably could have had that forcefully if he wanted to buy now. I know that she's still protected by Carnegie and south but he seems like Carnegie's number one guys if he's saying hey if I don't get so Laura I'm Outta here. I think that's totally something that that they could've worked out but he doesn't want her in that way. You know what I mean. I appreciate it but I feel like it just comes Hosanna no it and like I I feel like it feels out of failed right. We could use a little bit more staff to be nice. I think right when we went totally by the scene it's not huge when she's going to get water for Eli and he stands in front of real like hey and she's like we move please and he goes and just abs back and moves like wow I mean you're still an asshole but among these guys you're fucking gentleman. Mike Yeah like Jesus like like among these guys like the among these people who would shoot you point blank. They're shotgun and fuck. You're dead body and eat it. This guy seems like George Clooney brother or just the most dapper gentlemen in the world. I'll God that's lost on you. fucking Saturday brother art diet is shit. This is wine eating you but <hes> but yet you know but this whole thing with Red Ridge. I like like the fact that he wants. He just kind of wants. A I think a little bit of a better life for her I we established Shred Ridge in this way where with the scene where he stand in front of her and shelter by when he goes to shoot Eli the end when he's leaving he doesn't pull the trigger and I think that's so interesting very telling of Red Ridge where either a he's. He's kind of like listen now just go. I'm not gonNA fuck with you anymore or be. He knows that even if you did it's not gonNA matter because he's protected by this thing I think I think by the end of it read Ridge is a believer in this whether or not it's for the right reasons. You know maybe he's forced to. Maybe he's forced to accept it. You know while he's on death's has doorstep but either way I think he is a change man by the end of this and then you can tell he he's not as he's just not like the other guys you know what I mean. He seems like a little bit smarter. He's still being he's still bad. Guys probably in horrible ship but I do. I do enjoy the very minor arc that he gets. They could've left him two-dimensional but defected even try a little bit. It helps the movie it helps pushing for it a little bit from you and I like Ray Stevenson. He's a terrible punisher. <hes> don't punter for Porsche Worship Warzone Ryan's or something called from Sh- Martian but he's good in the other guy. He's he's great. He's thanks. I Love Grad accent now. He's Australian right now is British dude. He's like this three things I love Collie Minogue dimple small dimples about a woman's buttocks in the fear and a man's always has so good. 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She hits the road but she stopped by the Assad. <hes> the same stranded woman that we see at the beginning I like that I liked that detail that it was the same woman. I thought that was that those pretty 'cause you know it's makes the world seem a little bit smaller but like sound like this bitch is getting on a fucking car driving. You know she's like well. I gotta go somewhere find find find someplace I can scan people off and Eli leaving her alive later to the situation but I also really liked the woman like once. She says she says the Laura She's like no. No you need to go unit if fucking because these days men will actually destroy you I was GonNa that's exactly what it was. GonNa ask us. What you thought about that is kind of interesting I it it gives a kind of fleshes out that villain a little bit I mean even though she's not even really villain but whatever and then who that targeting for show right I thought I thought that was pretty cool gay for I don't know just just just a little bit of backbone little little tach yeah I like? I like that a lot. She ended up <hes> being attacked by these two men who were about to go all fucking Shawshank on her. I was like Oh my God like especially when you start hearing the clothes being rift as I go man that's getting that status just highly detailed like shit for for something that I feel like you know a normal movie would kind of breeze over stuff like that but they let these scenes go on this went on for very long time it I hate it but at the same time given the situation and giving the climate that they're in it I hate it but at the same time on it flushes out that world even more point. It's like I get I get the point. This could've probably like fifty and a twenty second shorter but you know what I mean. No apps absolutely I can definitely see that especially once they're holding her orange back and shit man. This is going on for a while. It's not like going on like the length of a family guy sketch or anything but you know it's still it's going on for a minute also to the Dick Yeah. Oh my God dude the other or they. They're trying to Rafer Eli. Eli Shows up boy cracks me up shoes one guy through the day the second one gets up and looks around like where is he find in front of them. That's thinking like yeah. What did he teleport? They're like you would just looking in that direction right. Did you have Harry Potter's like Magical Little fucking blanket that makes them invisible like how how did you settle down as invisibility cloak not the fucking blanket. You didn't know you'll play motherfucker. What else had you know what else had invisibly invisibility cloak on it? <hes> Rupert grint career after Harry Potter. That's that's that's what had an cloak on a on a fair game the Ginger Macaulay Culkin too <hes> you know so he saves so Laura the I like them hunting the bird and he he's telling her to be quiet so he can hear the fucking bird haunted the and I like the fact that he's giving you the boat a breakdown because it's something that she needs to learn he kind of knows like you now. Once I'm done with this I'm Don. I'M GONNA hang my hat up. Wherever I end up at wherever I end up so all this shit cheers and you learn how to use it the to eventually camp for the night hold on this the the length of time it takes for him to track this bed right? I I don't know because because because look how easily he was able to dispatch those men before and now it's like I need to take some time to like. I need some silence to take some time to fucking bend down like fail like like where it is. I don't know I feel like his level of proficiency changes like throughout the movie see now. The only thing I dug about that is if the thing is if you surrounded by people on someone's making noise someone's talking or you can hear them loading the gone or something it gives them like an echo location but when there's nobody around and he's there's one thing he has to bounce off of which is the bird which is amazing how does that but he needs that utter silence to turn to narrow down perfectly I did I did by that because there's not anything to bounce budget off of by the thing that bothers me about it. It's just like dude. This guy can't be any kind of blind. I'm just there's no way as shot of Shana bird out of this car the fucking Boiro but I think we've I think we fucking beat that Goddamn A._M.. Horse to death but went on sale yet exactly exactly what's it's a controversial twist in this movie. You know it's it's. It's I think either love it or you. Hate it but you know there are camping for the night. Ally tells an enquiring hiring salar about the book we get this. He's quoting Psalm twenty three or four walk through valley. Shout death has for you know evil Blah Blah Blah. That's that that's aimal bag. He quotes songs for her and he says that after the war everyone made it their business to burn the book that most in in that most people blamed it for getting them into the war in the first place that's interesting. Some good were world building the fact that I mean kind of given the climate at the time twenty-seven this post nine eleven so we're seeing a lot of work. We're seeing this like a like a terrorism that people like people like you and I would not take the worst part of a religion we believed in pursue those to the extreme I think but that's something that like Carnegie would do think that's one reason why shouldn't fall into Carnegie's enhance. He's not going to do the right reasons. He's going to exploit this and I think that's kind of something that that maybe it's based in old Old Testament or some of like some poorly interpreted parts of these religious doctrines in these religious books but I I think it's interesting interesting something something worth noting right. They're giving two thousand ten and then set in two thousand thirty something where you know we in Iran ended up getting a nuclear warhead North Korea and everything just went into shit. I love that it's just a U._S.. In China they're just constantly going head to head ends up being like a full nuclear war and nobody knows who through the first stone I think that's I think that that's why liked about it and you can you can see big craters when they're walking around outside in world. Did you notice any dead yeah yeah. I thought it was like a meteorite associated but it was yeah. It makes sense for it to be like a nuclear kreider associate I do I did that's that's really good world building. He claims that he heard a voice that helped him find the book and told him that had a path was laid before him to the West. <hes> she's like you heard a voice. He has clears yours now. I'm sure she's like all right and this goes back and crazy. It's cool. I gotta get Outta here like I'm GonNa go. I'd rather go hang out the fucking cannibal so yeah the next morning the pair find themselves upon a large White House in the middle of nowhere the fall into a pit trap at the front door. Do you know this George Martin. Do you know who plays George. No this is fucking dumbledore. The Guy who took Dumbledore Yeah I saw game but in the cost right like literally just before we sat down to podcasts and I was like way was he. Maybe he was like somewhere in the town or something like that but okay yeah. That's I didn't even pick up on it. That's crazy. I I did this a lot. This the imagery of this I mean when you wouldn't college just a palace but compared to most places displaces a kingdom. You know the this this house in the middle of nowhere I really I really dig the hell out of this. Though this seems like a cool in kind of like the Mad Max video game like fall out the kind of side quests that you go on you know I I did the hell out of that and I liked him as characters. They're not I mean I don't know their intent was so Laura and Eli I don't I mean do you get the field like there are just going to kill him and I don't get that feeling I get it when when Eli goes to the door and he pulls out the Gun Georgia's kind of like alarmed I get the fact that that's just how you react when someone on you but did you get the feeling like they were going to judge Dredd when Rob Schneider I was like the fucking family from deliverance like feeling from what about you know not immediately but I think that threat is always kind of there you are sitting with people who could eight year like that. Is that is always something that's probably going to be <unk> mind. I I've another little little little Nagel. She says them T- but water is Sir fucking in this in this world. I think that's I think I mean I don't know I don't want to say like Oh. I think it's a bit much. I don't really think it is but I think that it is something kind of like odd that that as I but granted the fact that these are older people think that they're probably just to have some kind of people over in just have some kind of sense of light humanity what it was like just to have somebody come and hang out over and hang out over for Thi. This is not something that I don't know. Salora has never you know has never thought about sitting down to eat. She goes to eat food earlier like this is something that's not. It's just such a uncommon practice but I don't know I can't quite like why would you invite these people over for tea and beyond Nice if you're just gonNa murder are many ways because they're not trying to take over the house and they seem like they're really just trying to kill people who are coming for their shit. Maybe hungry from them running out of food. If there's no if you think about it how many people how many strays de Reckon they get out here whatever like fucking thirteen graves or something something as like Holy Shit. That's that's fucking crazy. I I dig it. Though it's a cool I like I said I feel like the characters you bump into and like a post apocalyptic R._p._G.. They they feel Mike very real. I I like that but they you know they Dan Vitamin for tea and they show them the graveyard trespassers soon enough they put together that the couple are actually cannibals and into escape but are found by Carnegie's men I dig you know when she's bringing up the t set and her arms or shaking. I guess you y'all my Oh my God whoa Whoa Whoa why we're not at that part yet like when she when she brings in this year just kind of thing she's an old woman. She's just got the shakes but I just put out the good China China that such a good line man I love that so yeah they're surrounded by Carnegie's men the elderly cannibals produce an unusual amount of firearms and shoot and a shootout occurs which he's Georgia. Martha killed. Yeah I another just I don't know I didn't I didn't need this much. I didn't need the Gatling Gun. I don't need rocket launcher. I don't need Georgia. Martha having pristine fully automatic weapons hit like do those are in way too good shape. I want hop some off as like I did nate but I'm glad to like this action. Saying is our fucking memorable dude. You know I I enjoy I do I dig it but at the same time I'm like I don't. I don't need it. I think it might be a little bit too much. It takes it takes me out of a just a hair that is we have an armored truck in a pedal power gatling gun and rocket launchers Jesus Christ man like you can have the same effect would just you know four or five guys out there a semiautomatic weapons because they're still going to be outgun out man but they're just I don't know they're just going over over the top like twice in one on shoot out. I was like okay all right. I get I do appreciate the grenade that Denzel throws and it blows that guy back kids yeah. That's how grenade works grenade doesn't blow anything and everything up in a forty foot radius. You know you get that feeling from grenades and movies that a grenade is just like you throw fragmentation in right yeah they they act like you throw a grenade and somebody's basement level their funding house. It's so ridiculous but I appreciated that even though most most gunplay in this is bullshit I really I really liked gatling gun though like like that. That seems like because it's it's same so old like from another year I it seems like the days guys have just like they roaming like like different towns and scavenging. Whatever the fuck they can find like it's not like a car vera machine got? Our mini Ghana's something like that. It's an old school. Weston saw crank catling gone like I that that that to me was fucking awesome did because it's just like Oh shit like they really <hes> using everything they can find right and that that's what gets me there air with it. I'm like okay this. This makes sense to me. Carnegie is throwing everything. He's got this because he he has a sure bet now he knows that he's got a Bible and I I do like fat that I do like that. It's an older weapon. They probably found this fucking history museum somewhere somewhere like so yeah and I love the fact that immediately Georgia and Martha just pull guns all right well. We're on your side now. Even though we fucking people like five five minutes after meeting these motherfuckers the enemy of my enemy is my friend so funny how these alliances just kind of form. Matt of out of necessity out in this kind of environment I really do like that ally recognize the bigger threat to show right. They could have just fucking the shot both of them and said Hey. What do you need okay cool here you go by and then just let him drive off like they've made it their problem? I think that's interesting but the end up getting killed markets R._P._G.. George going on you motherfucker. Shsy he takes out like two or three people before he gets just mowed down by the fucking mini gone. I dig the single take as well like the single single textile like oh anytime like that POPs up in a films may I it's it's it's worth talking about. There's obviously some really smart editing here like when he finds the A._J.. Like you just get like a screen full of Lex Mike which is obviously where they hit the cut cut but some of the shots here absolutely fantastic dude like there's a shot of Carnegie in the full ground and in the background and can just say like the little porch rooftop that just falls off the the house getting absolutely yeah it looks great. I love that that little awning being just shot the coffee and but out outgun out man Eline Salah are eventually cornered enforced to surrender the book in return Carnegie Shoots. Eli Point Blink after taking Salora hostage. That's wow I mean. Did you see this coming like the surprise you at all. I mean not really I figured that he'd get shot but like I feel like when he gets shot. He's like this this. This slows slows down foolishly early like thirty seconds when he gets Sean. It's just like Oh. That's Oh sorry excuse me. That's what I'm saying like there. There's so many scenes in this could have been like cut down just a little you bet it's a it's a two hour long movie with an hour's worth of content like if you really wanted to edit this down and cut down the fat off of all off of all of it. This could be like a very good short film. I think yeah but if you're Carnegie. What wouldn't you open the book will he can because it's got the rock? That's right that's right. I think he knows wasn't he gave us the book. If I'm like hey open this thing. He's go fuck yourself. What do I hear? You're probably GONNA shoot me. He's he's a smart guy knows. He's not. I'm GonNa Fuck and do it. It will do a just a pity on not just a piss you off but yet he's <hes> he shot there. Sir Taking quarterback town allemand the lines accede look at him. He's just a man nothing special just laying out blay is something special because he lift for like six months with God damn bulletin stomach which is interesting. That's I don't know seems like this. I never really fond of because he base. It's basically like he didn't get shot. It means nothing tim minutes later. He's rowing fucking boat miles as I did. This mean that means is nothing and I get it. You can throw the whole God's on the side God's on the side stuff but that doesn't make you fucking Captain America. You know you can't just met miraculously survived. Bullet wounds chill like that. I don't know it it's kind of it's just it's just unnecessary I I don't I don't really need it but the cruel even for dead they're making their way back through Gus Laura Laura pools yield fucking piano wire trick and like strangles at guided a man WanNa fuck and wait ago. The car gets flipped flipped over and in the chaos reg Ridge is impaled by Eli Sword which they've taken within. What did you think a red ridges death and kind of descend off with Laura was fine yeah? I don't really have that many. You'd like like this whole this whole sorta like tail end of the movie. Just kinda like kind of loses. Its quality a little bit like I like Alexa Laras like throwing of the grenade and the like it looks like the visual of it looks at absolutely fucking outstanding it was okay like he just kind of like gets out of the car nails and then just fucking paces out a C. I dig it just in a sense of he takes the sort out and he throws a back in the car is almost like you're gonNa need that and then sit outside and dies basking in the Sun. I think it's almost like a wave of redemption for him because there's a I don't know out of all all the bad guys. He's the best bad guy guess morally speaking. He's one of the nicer ones it's it's like a thread like if you want to give him some kind of white. It feels like there's like maybe if you if you if you were to weigh these like Dylan's opera like the henchman h other henchman would be zero grams and he would be like point one of a grab like that's how much like its surface level in sheller feel maybe really being by into the the the relationship like him being into Salora right yeah I think that I think that had they established at earlier on and gotten a few more shots of it than it would. It would probably be a lot a lot easier to believe but mid either way redbridge yeah he ends up getting killed impelled by the sword she ends up escaping. You know <hes> Cardigan Carnegie and trying to get the guys you know. We don't have enough gas to go back. They ended up just saying fuck it and going back to town down the road. She he finds Eli. She picks them up. As Carnegie gets the engineer to open the Book I love 'em fucking tinkering with the toys and as soon as he draws one he's like be oh yeah. He's good Alderman. It's it's great man. I re cut anything I strongly urge you and anybody listening to this. The Hollywood reported as these great videos on Youtube. There's so much fun to watch. It's called Actors Roundtable or directors roundtable. Have you ever watched these at all. I've I've seen bits and pieces. I remember Tarantino doing one. Oh Electronic Nolan like all these like pretty big directors dude that one bowl the the woman Gary Oldman is Gary Oldman James Franco. Tom Hangs John Boyega Jeff Daniels like it's a shit ton of yeah but yeah the directors roundtable is Tarantino Ridley Scott David David Russell the guy that directed the revenue directed the Danish girl and Danny Boyle. It's really good I love and I I've have listened to it. Several times to about release God God the Guy has still has such a good. I love hearing him. Breakdown Shit and talk about actually is so funny in that roundtable. They're like they're like Oh. He's like you know there's just so many sequels and remakes and stuff and Quinn Vendor antenna goes you did bladerunner to amp remedious and like I didn't like a two year like like they're back to back based right yeah well and he was saying it in a good way. He's like we were so excited. When we were filming it was either Django or hateful eight? He's like we all like took to a theater and fucking bought it out for the nights a week ago see prometheus. I what the crew in the cash is by ourselves. That's fucking coach really good sorry for that such a derailment but those those are such good videos absolutely love watching watching him so yeah we got the engineer trying to open up the book they end up going down the road aways and they make their way to San Francisco now you you said you've been to San Francisco before right yeah yeah. I have actually what's I. I've never you've been there myself like. Did you like man dig it. It's a it's a fucking beautiful city. Lots of harmless lots of homeless people yeah fish oil. It's very sad but like man like it's it's super pretty like they're here obviously at the Golden Gate Bridge <hes> and they're trying to get to Alcatraz like you can you can take a robot that obviously like you wouldn't be able to do with fucking gunshot like Roy but the man it's fucking beautiful city. You can say like the Bay Bridge Bridge in the distance. That's a long one. Honestly I'd always recommend it like to anyone who has ever thought of going to San Francisco walking down the like the pay walk to the have that it's amazing when when I really dig I I definitely get a <hes> Moore's dawn of the planet of the eight so that was rise rise yeah. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I love that man. I love all three of those but especially love the first one on and I know it's the one that doesn't get the most love but I just I don't know I wouldn't solve that in theaters from my nephew for his birthday. It's great I just dug the hell crawling under the bridge and shit as this is awesome. Do this is so good but of course you know. They get like we're talking about. They get this Robo the Roy into Alcatraz love that he has swat halfway through Mike Okay at least you give me that he's not like at this point he might as well just like get in the water and sweats grand theft auto one hundred percent stamina nonstop across the ocean. This is a some of the worst grain screen I've ever seen Amal huff. It's bad awful and I think I think what kind of like Mexico is that. The camera is like static on the bud moves with with the movement of the bird and it just looks bad so bad yet. It's crazy for an eighty million dollar budget and twenty ten. That's that's the kind of affects you get. I'm like man if you just knocked down the cast a little bit like I like Denzel L. but is he worth the price at the tag at this point probably not really when he's almost like at his peak like twenty ten one of his speaks. You know I think more recently he's kind of like dropped off. Maybe a little bit more. I know he's still doing equalizer and stuff off with those are just kind of like you know. It's not an really super special. It causes specialty that fast one fish. Oh really it's great. I fucking love that movie. It's so forget oboe. It's not just like John on just like John where he can fuck off eight ten dick's next week. We're doing jesuit guys tune in for triple feature of drama go onto in three equalize up on his finest witnessed an equaliser to hit man's bodyguard. We're going to do a bunch of bad but anyways they end up they end up to Alcatraz like they roll up and the other question he says he's got a copy of the <hes> the the new King James version of the Bible the they're introduced this guy. This is credited the Malcolm McDowell Lombardi is apparently his name. I had to Google this. He's on credited in the film <hes> he's part of a group of individuals who seek to perceive are perceived to preserve and remind people of the world that they left behind <hes> and we get this kind of cutting back and forth with the rap of our stories with Carnegie's crew and in our in our protagonist <hes> there's Eli begins to write recite. The new can keen James version of the Bible Carnegie is stunned by Allies Braille copy of it revealing. He has been blind the entire time. Yeah think we've kind of set everything we want to say about this. It's not I don't really care for it. I don't think it's necessary is my thing is I think the win win in this. The situation I'm willing to compromise is just say that the book is in Braille. I don't need to be blind though I don't i. It's I read enough for the fact that he opened at the Bible in his wife refuses to read it. The fact that the fact that what you have is right there and you can't fucking on loch where Carnegie seems like a guy who's never had trouble doing that. He can just walk in point. A gun flexes muscle and guess what he wants so I love the fact that it's ends up being somebody closest to him. That kind of is the key to unlock in this and refuses to do it. I just I don't know I think the the book could fucking put the book and Goddamn pig Latin for all. I hear I don't I don't need this. This thing you know allies. The Guy who sorry <music> ally is a guy who has lived many years before the war ever happened right. I get that kind of feeling when she opens up his bag to kind of look at the Bible when they're when he sleeping the there's a kmart tag with his name on it something Oh coys just a guy worked at Kmart or something I guess so he's really nobody special but he lived a social life. He knows what the world was like before that so an emmy the book could be infringed. The book could be in any other language doesn't have to be you know the fact that just because he's Braille E._S._p.. Blind I just don't need a man. I just don't arrived. Just I think they're reveal the being a viable as cooling often the reveal that it's written a language he can't understand is is fine. If it had been a bible written in Aramaic like like the language of Jesus in his disciples is a deadly you're gonna go every fucking language could've been a Portuguese I it just I get what you say you can have. You can have one without the other. I just hated man it doesn't I I think yeah it feels cheap. It feels like shape twist and yeah you could have done this. <hes> you could have done this much cleverly so I must go smartly. It's not really it's it's it is a is a deal right like there are massive things in this deal breakers at this and it's the reveal that it's the Holy Bible like Y._D._f.. To like make it something sci-fi specific you could've you could've left out so a big U._S. and it would work side much better but I guess condemn audiences right right. Yeah just meant it's it's it's such a unnecessary like twist on top of the whole thing because they do such great things thanks to lock in fact like he's not making Eitan eye contact with people when he's fighting him he you know when he's <hes> when when he goes any finds the dead body sniffing and stuff he kinda has to move stuff around he bumps into the table like they they've locked onto that premise but then like he makes eye contact with people he shoots guy from forty feet away with a pistol and like I get it but no amount of faith is is. I don't have that kind of faith in this shit I just I guess trying to find God right well. Yeah I mean it's I can. I can believe like that to an extent but they need to leave it more mysterious like what you said like we don't know if he really is protected by his name. He could just be some crazy guy who super lucky but either way. He's pretty much harmless unless you fuck with him so we're on an aside. I just man there's there's so much Wilson Opportunity with trying to be preachy without being pray cheer. I like they're saying that he did all this because of faith and because of God's power like it was God's plan to get him here but then not like are telling you that like that's that's the ambiguous part of it that you supposed to take away from it but it's not really that ambiguous when you have all these questions and things like that so I think I think yeah I it could have been aimed <hes> a lot more tastefully. I think you give me a magic marker newly right part of this scaleback the action some have him take a little bit of damage himself. Maybe he never takes the sunglasses off. I'm cool that like the fact that the sun is always always out it could be damaging to people's eyes. He wants to leave them on all the time and at night maybe he takes him off and the light is going to help us Nazi his is as much I think the at the end were they pull up and he's reciting the Bible. Let there be light and he's got the you you can see the beginnings of the cataracts which covered some people say that he's not even he doesn't have to be completely blind. He could legally blind he. Could you know he could not a hundred percent of losses site. It could be something like that. He's he's slowly losing his site. I which I'm fine with that too that then make sense to me. That's cool but I think a better. I think a better ending to me personally. Is You know we see that the Bible's in Braille we start to realize little hints and stop here and there the smelling the Yao now all the touching of stuff you know could the clicks we start putting it together and win. The camera pulls out to his is his hydrogen closed so yeah I think it is leaning towards the fact that he's blind but it's left ambiguous for whoever wants to whoever wants to interpret it that way okay but I just I'm not a fan when they lock you out and just nope. This is it you don't you don't get to think about. She has all right well. I guess you know I would have been more of a fan to kind of speculate than just get pushed into something that I got premise that I'm writing to. It's not really necessary Zahra Claudius now she's brought out to read the Bug <hes> she refuses. She says that she can tell the Carnegie is dying as the unprotected bars overrun by the locals she can smell it. She can tell he's gotten. He's feverish I I would've loved of as as she's approaching. He just like sticks a leg behind earned trip series. You're blind like justify. He's a yeah I'm dying but you're still bugging blind. Just thirteen a bunch of astle shit see the Bible Earth. Sorry the Bible the bars completely the overrun all of of Cardi these guys are basically dead except for the one guy just sit in a chair and he's like fog it yeah. What am I going to kill everybody? Fuck it and I mean we're pretty much rapid down here as time passes by recites the book more and more but he eventually dies the Bible is printed in place on a shelf right between the Torah and the Koran as Lara makes her makes her way back home equipped with allies ipod and signature sword. That's basically the end yeah. What what is the Laura going to be doing now? I assume she's going back for mother. I mean if she can show probably go back grabbed her. Mom and I guess come back to this place. I guess that's that's that's all I can really. I don't know that's what I took away from it. The lesson version of this movie yeah well. I do like the whole sword and shield dynamic. No he gives her the stored but you know she takes. The IPOD is kind of like something. I don't know I took that symbolically as in this kind of a shield protect you from all this awful Shit and remind you that they're still really nice good things in the world. <hes> I guess never I does He. Does he like die. From all of the of the battle. Maybe the bulletin guide infected and he just died and I know it's not super important but it just seemed kind of I don't know do we really we need him dying. I I I like maybe it adds just like a little bit but I I don't really he just dies right after he gets there is no. That's not no. That's that's kind of odd like I I would have rather they were rushing to finish the book. I don't really need to see see him getting shaved and sitting down like I like that I love seeing that for him as the character but in terms of like plot and story I think it's more interesting if he gets there and we raise the stakes because he's dying and he he's going. Maybe he's slowly bleeding out or he's going to die by infection but it seems that he's been there from once recite. Yes thing which would it would take you a long time to do that. It seems like it just kind of like paid. His out like like is just like is mad at guess Yes don now because he's completed his mission right yeah yeah I just I don't really need that. I think that his so he did all this in his reward is death nice. Thanks God that's wonderful so good. I'm filled with your Holy Spirit. No the the thing that you blessed. I I know this this for hey parents. This is what you get. Forcing your child to go to Church N._B._A.. Christian school this is what happens. They don't WanNa go to make them no. I'm kidding. <hes> the I just I really really wish they had just you know if Eli just a now. I'm just saying here like I did my part. My God said this is my reward for for doing this. I know he's not doing it to get a reward but I would've liked to seen him just appreciate his time a little a bit more. They're just to see him kind of enjoy the the fruits of his Labor. I I really would have liked to assign it. I guess we get to some degree but I don't know I didn't really need him dying on an hour. It's just kind of like all right cool. We're just doing that just to do it now. I guess fuck it. I don't know but yeah I mean that's fucking talking book. Eli Man Shit movie kidding man it was it was a lot better than I remember <hes> kind of like getting into my final thoughts but yeah like I it was editor embiid. I remember being slotted as one is. A sixteen year. Old Doesn't have enough action because like I was. I was promised the opening twenty minutes I was promised like that fucking. We'd like awesome blight fighting that he does like. I was just like I want more of that. <hes> just like ended up being like some kind of like preachy fucking not religious shit but I like this on rattle definitely dug a lot more <hes> the the biggest element <hes> official the one that works the best is the building one hundred percent. I think the the price of puck elliptic setting the show is is what you come here for. No absolutely. I think that's where it put asses. That's what puts asses in seats. Let's put it gets people revved up about these movies. Is this post-apocalyptic sci-fi kind of feel the things I do enjoy this movie. It's it's got a you know and there's a couple of things we didn't even touch on the fact that it does have God awful c._G._I.. And Green screen in certain places it really does that's and then for an eighty million dollar movie. There's no fuck misuse for that. There's really not an I just I think that looks awful at some points <hes> even I don't know even like some of them some of the blood spray and stuff it just looks kind of like second rate and I'm sure that a a lot of their money when it up the <hes> the the whole God the the cast and having to pay for such big name Akers <hes> because this I mean I think this only made back like one hundred twenty one hundred thirty million made a profit but for eighty the million dollar profit and you're probably hoping to least double it especially something of this size with with Emini names attached. I think is where someone who would expect us to do a lot better on Ron Tomatoes. It has like a fifty percent. I'm like it's better. It's better Miami. I probably put it like solid five seventy yeah. I I give it a I give it a solid B.. MINUS MIGHT BE MINUS Two like C.. Plus plus like a sees even seems like to see his noble peasant fuck. I got we'll see sometimes I get tired of doing. Remember switch it up until six and a half seven and a half somewhere around the right by it's it's it's like <hes> I duNNo. It's a beautiful lady with a lot of problems her her dad. Her Dad didn't touch her as kit or he touched her too much and I don't know it's it's just it's a movie with a lot of problems. Get against the therapist. They'll do right yeah exactly well fuck. I need to see it there presenter trying to wrap my head around this amazing twist that happens Fox anyway. Let's get into cloud stirred. Yeah you go. I Daniel Daniel Daniel like a man of the hour. He's GonNa caught a lengthy one so fucking Daniel couldn't put into one comment thanks he. You said it questions for the PODCAST Denzel Being Blind make the movie or is it just a flashy twist. I hope we covered that enough. I feel like we don't we beat that fucking shit to a polk but yet for me definitely it's more of a flashy twist. They doesn't really make the movie at all. I remember fish oil as a sixteen year old who was a much bigger deal but now it's just like I'm good. I'm good as far as Gary Alvin in the Bible. You would get the same effect if the Bible wasn't Latin the way the world is the existence. The book is well. Oldman requires the content itself unless they implication is supposed to be that Ullman was taking the religious leading for itself and not just the power as he climbed. I've never read a Koran that I've had enough together. General idea the content Albans should be able to make his Bible from what he knows from reading the books that mentions things from the Bible one hundred percent agree like literally those in that one comment by of my big issues this movie. That's what are present go ahead. You said great maybe amazing visuals. I love the story and all of the causing choices. I'm still undecided about the twist at the end. I'm not gonNA fucking talk anymore. By the Swiss of Sorry Daddy Oh I love the irony irony irony irony but it makes many of the shots Denzel appearing to look at things that we saved that we get saved to be shaped trickery. I'm also a little devious of the complete destruction of Bibles and Christianity the all religions a hot to extend that and it is human human. I should do want to Cape to one human nature to want and Cape What is banned. They would be multiple old paypal capable of reciting the entire Bible just by the amount of religious beliefs I agree. I think I think I think religion goes beyond the book. What do you think about fuck you know I I can? I can agree with that I I are you saying do I agree with Daniels assessment of that. That would be unlikely that this would just be totally wiped out like religion. Yeah yeah is like like D do you think that even if that had like Bendel the books and things like that all the Bible's would would die of wiped out what religion is like the idea of religion. No I don't think the idea of because it would be would be cool to have seen something like the children of Adam from fallout but I think that thirty years is not a long time you say fifty fifty sixty seventy five years then then I'd say yeah there hasn't been a Bible found in however many decades five six seven decades. We're talking about you need a whole generation of people that die off for that and that I that I do buy into. I do agree with them there but you have they have anyone else. Do you WanNa right yeah. I'm going to <hes> make sure I don't read over any more of a Danial vouchers going from Nathan Burkhardt <hes> from what I gather those survived blamed religion and therefore everyone rumors pretty much on board with its destruction so I doubt that many people would survive. I think that might be him replying today. No voucher thing that's still also co point. He doubts that many people would survive this as many decades after the whatever happened the plot is a tad then that said this is one of my favorite movies if nothing else but to see dente Washington being a frigging post-apocalyptic Ninja I will watch any movie with that. He is in thank you Nathan Nathan such a cool guy. He came over to place and ate some chicken nachos with a bunch of friends the other night. He's fucking really about us. Sir Let us yeah. It looks like you look at those I do too. I love him. You GotTa Know Yeah. We got one for boy. Daddy hotly Ramada me. What does this that he fucking references? What is this not shed Daddy Johny reminded me of Zitar twitchy the blind swordsman but with my man Denzel of calls as favorite Guile ecoles decent action good pace things Cape here in trade until the best part of that makes you immediately rewind and play the movie in your memory realizing causing that oldest subtleties that hinted at quite it all along at a bank for the ending the move he would pay made it with forgettable among these actors Outta credits disagree? I I think that do I think it's firstly better movie without the twist yes but I don't. I don't feel like most people would feel the same way. I think you're modern mover. You're probably GonNa love that yes especially your or I'm from in the deep South where it's a big religious staying like that went over really well with a lot of people that I know so. I'm like yeah. They probably love that fucking twist and loved that Zany road yeah same here. I think that's all of the comments that we got but we have this poll that we put up <hes> I really enjoyed we doing this before we put an episode of just Kinda Pulse Augment some kind of general conversation we put one up for spider verse passing. What was your favorite Spiderman and why <hes> but on this one? We've got got book of Eli Coming Up this weekend. What are some of your favorite post apocalyptic film sound off below <hes> so we had book of Eli the format Max Films Donald Plenty of the time legend quiet place <hes> some people added Hunger Games tank girl the Matrix waterworld rolled wars e the road and the postman along with Tin Cloverfield? Didn't you adwa world did as we know it's hilarious. Waterworld got fucking votes like here's what's crazy book of Eli Mad Max Tied Nine Soda. That is fucking bullshit. I'm sorry like I was like I was about a message. I was like dude. Can you take mad max like put mad. Max One to four of course Mad Max is GonNa win because it's all fucking four of them and then this is like Oh yeah book Availa at Mad Max by what what's what's what's up no yeah I. I couldn't believe that either I mean I personally think that even something like quiet places a better post-apocalyptic honestly than book of Eli. The thing is a lot better I put up I added Donna the plan of the APPS and they got six said when we had a couple of cool comments to Eric Mason from over countdown to Geek town <hes> the postmen and I am legend were great books at horrible adaptations so fucking true the road was a pretty good at astrum from what I remember though I've I've never really read that. A lot of people were talking about. The road also Craig delay. The road is a very good very dark book. I haven't seen the film otherwise than I. I haven't seen the film otherwise that may have been my vote and said that I am Tim Harrington. Go hungry actually pretty good again. Tiffany Bella here like I feel like Z.. Nation was a horrible adaptation but the book was so awesome like pacing together. Hal Zombie Apocalypse wept at the world after it's already happened edit. I'm thinking of the ride book are they. She was a way what did she say in the comment I think did you not say world war or isn't that a game right or T._v.. Show I don't know it's something new. I knew she was Mississippi said something about it. I love those books. Max Brooks <hes> WHO's actually fucking son of Mel Brooks. I was like oh wow that's crazy. You end up writing Zombie fucking science fiction ship as really interesting. We'll cover world wars you into it's not a bad digging. I I dig it Yeah I. I thought it was plenty but did you give your closing thoughts. Okay <hes> I mean I've talked enough about this. I I enjoy this movie. It's got some problems <hes> I think maybe ten fifteen years down the line. It's probably we do for remake. No probably do it. I hope that I don't I love post-apocalyptic Shit like this. That's done on a much smaller level. Something like I've set out a motto a couple of times in this podcast. It's not one of my favorite movies in the world but in terms of the newer sci-fi that I think is kind of got predecessor to something like book of Eli. We've got these movies. Come out four five six seven years later and we're we're in a renaissance of sci-fi and horror right now. Mr Lewis was stuff like <hes> Oh God upgrade that came out like fear loved that movie. I think that's Great Sifi. I think that's I think that's the direction that a lot of sci-fi should take you know we've got you know bladerunner twenty four nine. They came out and then Philip K Dick T._v.. Show on Amazon prime. The electric dreams really really good stuff <hes> coming out in terms of like sci fi but all in all it's. It's a good movie. I think that it's just it's a needs a little bit more than need to shuffles himself around. They need to lay. They need a layoff on the action. They need to amp up his portrayal of a blind person. You need to make no. I content you need when I looked back. Then I cannot question it all the fact that he's blind and I think that when you when you I'm completely encompass of that and there are some parts where he does he there's plenty of times when he doesn't make direct contact with when he's doing something like that. Just throws me off and you shoot some of the pistol from thirty five feet away and headshot them. I'm GonNa Start Calling Bull Shit especially when you do with a shotgun so I think had they skilled him this back a little bit. 'cause you say that we live in a world. That doesn't have ammo yet. We have like three shootouts in a fucking thirty minute period I get it. They're throwing everything at the wall and make it stick but it does seem a little odd that everybody we come across process a weapon and it's loaded when they say that in when I say that it never is so I feel like that's a small nitpick but when you're doing this post apocalyptic fiction in your world building it it's very easy to fuck that up and it's very easy to kind of be hypocritical stuff to sacrifice world building and be hypocritical of that for just an action scene. I've seen it thousand action scenes. I haven't seen a world bill exactly like the book of Eli World Even though a lot of them very similar. It's still very different and I love that this. This is post-apocalyptic look fiction. I think that's so interesting. I can't think of a lot of other movies that it reminds me of and even though it has problems it's still a lot of fine. I'll definitely pick this up on BLU ray at some point and I'm glad that we covered it. I I think that it's high time that we got into post-apocalyptic. Even dare say science fiction because that's what I consider religion <hes> now. I'm scared but I know right. God digging. Wow It's so weird book veal. I only has eight downloads. I don't I know what happened but unless you got anything else as we can wrap up with some soils and get out of you know I think <hes> man way we fucking destroy this. Maybe like we. We talked about it a lot more than I thought it'd be. Oh wait by started subset of this is gonNA reassure. Episode cut to Fuck in two thousand twenty minutes later yeah yeah not ban per per usual but guys thanks so much for for listening. Thanks for Stan all the way to the end if you guys when you hear some more we've got plenty of other episodes. 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