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Democrats Won't Tell People to Stop Gay Orgies to Prevent Monkeypox
"Who exactly really is radical in American politics? Well, my suggestion is that it is the Democrats who are significantly more radical than the Republicans, particularly when it comes to social issues. And you can see it on pretty much every social issue. So to take an example, when it comes to monkeypox, it is a source of constant amazement to me. That there is a very easy solution to monkey box. There are actually two. One is there's a vaccine. The vaccine needs to be more widely available. The FDA has prevented it from being more widely available. So that is solution number one. And the federal government's already screwing that up. Doctor Scott gottlieb former commissioner of the FDA, and a senior fellow at American enterprise institute, one of the loudest voices during COVID. He now suggests that the CDC has failed on monkeypox again. He says our country's response to monkeypox has been plagued by the same shortcomings we had with COVID. If monkeypox gains a permanent foothold in the United States and becomes an endemic virus that joins our circulating repertoire of pathogens, it will be one of the worst public health failures in modern times. Not only because of the pain and peril of the disease, but also because it was extremely avoidable. There is limited testing access, there was not enough stockpile of vaccine, even though the vaccine was widely available. Okay, but that's really not the most extreme response to monkeypox. The most extreme response to monkeypox continues to be the complete unwillingness of anyone in the media chattering class or in the Democratic Party to simply say, stop having gay orgies. I understand that this is unpopular with a particular segment of the democratic base, but you guys literally advocated for the shutdown of all of American life, all of it. Kids going to school, going to the park with your children, being able to go to work, killing hundreds of thousands of small businesses. For COVID, in airborne virus. This is a virus that has passed almost entirely between gay men having sex with one another. And you can't say, stop having sex with randos. You can't say it.
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on Squawk Pod
"To do this fall? Yeah, look, we're not locked in both manufacturers, including Pfizer, the company I'm on the board of have been manufacturing these omicron based vaccines at risk. So they'll have, they'll have sufficient supply for the fall, probably heading into a September vaccination campaign. There's time to reformulate it. You probably would choose a B two backbone if you were going to reformulate. The question is the regulatory process of FDA would authorize that based on epidemiological data alone or they'd want clinical outcomes data if they want clinical outcomes data. That's going to take longer. And you might see a scenario where the B one vaccine. So either a bivalent vaccine based on the half the old lineage in half, the B one lineage would get rolled out in September or an omicron only vaccine would get rolled out in September and in perhaps you'd follow up later in the year with a B two based vaccine or a vaccine based on whatever variant you think is going to circulate. But I do believe when we'll have a data soon, I'm hopeful that the vaccines based on the B one variant are going to provide meaningful protection against these new sub lineages of omicron. When you look at what's happening in China, obviously, we're all very concerned about the health issues there, but also the supply chain issues to put in an economic terms. How do you see that playing out at this point? Well, they managed to get control of the wave of infection that they were experiencing in Shanghai. Obviously with very brutal measures that they employed. I don't see a way out for China right now. I think that this is a whole different ball game with omicron is going to be very hard to adopt a zero COVID policy. We have such a contagious variant. And they're seeing B 2.12 there as well right now, which is even more contagious. They have a population that's largely immune naive. There was a study out guessing that journal nature medicine showing that the vaccines have been deployed. Aren't very protective. They have a largely immune naive population to these new omelet from lineages. And plus, people who are vaccinated were vaccinated long time ago. They haven't rolled out a broad booster campaign. So I think they're very vulnerable as a country. And the only way that they're going to continue to keep this out in any meaningful way is to continue to have these very onerous lockdowns. So you're going to continue to see these kinds of disruptions like what you saw in Shanghai. There's really no other way out of this. The only other option they have is a mass vaccination campaign with more effective vaccines. They have access to it, and so far they've made a decision not to do that. Hey, Scott, that gets us back to a point we've discussed a couple of times in the past, just this idea of the rolling lockdowns continuing because they are not going to be prepared. That has implications for the entire global because of how much we rely on the supply chain coming out of China. I mean, we're talking about these inflation numbers today. We're hoping that we're going to get some relief a couple of the guests we've spoken to this morning already said that they think things will get better in the next month or so as those lockdowns come down. But you don't think that's likely just based from a medical perspective, right? Look, I think people are going to have to price in the uncertainty of the risk in China right now. And seeing more cities like Shanghai, we have to implement very broad lockdowns to try to control the spread. The leadership right now seems to bent on this zero COVID policy. There's speculation in the Financial Times a week ago that some of the leadership is trying to convince Z to adopt a different policy because it's just isn't going to be possible with omicron. And that's where I am. I don't think they're going to be able to keep this infection out. Given the fact that this is a much more contagious variant just with mitigation alone, they're going to have to rely on vaccines and Therapeutics so far they haven't adopted that strategy. Maybe they'll pivot at some point soon, but so far they haven't done that. Big picture question, it was talking to a friend about this the other day, given the surge that we're seeing in New York. How long away do you think we are before medicine is ahead of this pandemic? And I know we've now moved probably from a pandemic to something that's more endemic, but how close do you think we are? Is this another year, this idea that everyone's going to get some form of this once twice three times a year at this rate? Well, look, probably a good portion of the population has already had this, right? They've been infected. It looks like omicron is infected 50 to 60% of the population. Now with this B two wave, it's picking up additional people. Most people have been vaccinated at this point as well. Many people have been vaccinated and infected. So we have a very tall wall of immunity here in the United States. That doesn't mean that a new variant can't pierce that immunity and spread very aggressively, but it's unlikely to cause the same kind of death and disease that we see from these past variants, barring something very unexpected happening where mutates in a direction where it becomes more virulent, which is possible, but seems less and less likely that continued mutations seem to be happening within this omicron lineage. I think by the fall this is going to be a little bit more normalized where you're going to see this spreading against the backdrop of relatively normal behavior with the widespread availability of vaccines and Therapeutics for people who are still obsessively vulnerable to the virus and want to protect themselves. So I think that we're going to start to see a more normalized picture this winter. That said, they're probably going to be a lot of infections because you're still going to have immune naive people that people who are overconfident about the immunity that they have conferred from prior infection with B one with omicron and that's going to be waning going into the fall. So I think you are going to see a wave of infection heading into the fall in the winter, whether or not it's the 100 million infections predicted by The White House as something less than that's hard to know. Doctor Scott gottlieb, it's always great to get your perspective on all of it. You make a smarter every time. Thanks. Thanks a lot. Cheese will be next. Next, on squawk pod Purdue university president Mitch Daniels on the job prospects for 2022 grads, and his thoughts on student loan forgiveness. Forgiveness idea may be the worst public policy idea of recent times. I can't find any redeeming feature. It's a gift to the wealthy. I'm Scott Wapner, when the closing bell rings, we're just getting started. Closing bell overtime is your destination for late breaking news and after hours action. We're tackling each trading day with actionable advice from some of the biggest names on the street. Follow and listen to CNBC's closing bell podcast today. You're listening to squawk pod from CNBC. Here's Becky quick. Up on Becky, Q it is commencement season and new graduates from across the United States are going to be flooding a job market struggling to find workers for a look at what's ahead for the class of 2022. Let's welcome Purdue university president Mitch Daniels. He is the former OMB director. And of course, the former governor of Indiana. And Mitch, thank you for being with us today. We're going to talk about a lot of things, including what's happening with the loan forgiveness of tuition. But why don't we start with this job market because this has to be the best job market that these graduates are going into at any time since you've been at Purdue. I'm guessing that's the case. What numbers do you see in terms of graduates who already have a job offer? How does that compare to what you've seen in the past? Good guess, Becky, it's not just the best since I've been here. It's the best in this century. As far back as our records go, this was true last year. In our case, 98% of Purdue graduates had a job that we know of within the first 6 months and this year looks even stronger. And so, you know, we know that employers have relaxed in many cases they're requirements. Either GPA or even of a diploma, which indicates I think the issues on the demand side, but yeah, there's no question. It's never been hard for a Purdue graduate to get a job and I'm happy to say that seems to be a general case across the country right now. There have been some reports that even with this great job markets graduates could have some too high expectations in terms of salary. I think I read that the average graduate from university right now expects an opening salary of just over a $100,000 and maybe that's about twice what the reality is. Is that the case or does this depend on what your degree is.
How the Left Will Try to Use COVID to Sway the Upcoming Midterms
"If the Democrats want to get back to mass mail in voting, wouldn't that mean they would try to get back to mass COVID fear? Well, Scott gottlieb said exactly that he's warning you he's saying that COVID is going to come back in the fall just in time for the midterm election. Play cut 18. No, I don't, I think this year is really a transition year. I think this is going to be the year when this becomes more of an endemic illness. It's not going to be a defined point in time when that happens. But what's going to happen is this is going to settle into more of a seasonal pattern. I do expect prevalence levels to start to decline. We may be peaking right now if you look at the wastewater data, hopefully, over the summer, through the summer, we are pretty low prevalence of this infection. And we're going to see it reemerge in the fall. The question is, what reemerges? Is it a new strain of omicron, and that's going to drive decisions around the vaccine? Drive decisions around the vaccine. What if the Democrats want to keep you afraid to keep the door open to try to have mass mail in ballots coming into the fall, which we know is a prerequisite to mass voter fraud? There's no fear, well then there's no crisis. No emergency than no power, no power, no great reset. But in order to get power, they need the emergency, which allows them to have mass mail in ballots, which they think can close the gap ahead of November, coming into the midterms.
Is There Any Good News at All on Omicron? Yes!
"A lot of people are going to get COVID. A lot of people are getting COVID. But the good news is, we could be in for a short ride. Here's cut number 6. Doctor Scott gottlieb, the former FDA commissioner on she NBC yesterday. There's so much confusion and so much unknown about what to do with this point. What do you tell people? What do you tell schools? What do you tell parents? You know, the first thing I'd say is that we've said this before. So I appreciate there's diminished credibility, but this is not going to last very long. We're going to be in the throes of this wave of infection. For maybe a month here in the northeast, I think you're going to see infections peak out within the next two weeks. So hopefully New York City does find a peak within the next two weeks. London, which is about two to three weeks behind New York City, has already peaked. There's probably on the way down. So this is a very fast moving wave of infection on the back end of this. Hopefully we're done with COVID for a while. We'll have enough immune population between vaccination or infections. So we really need to get through this month. Can I get your reaction to the news that communities are literally discriminating against white people, giving prefer and the argument is, well, people of color have a greater vulnerability to COVID than white people. What? Really?
Steve Deace Explains Why So Many Conservatives Are Pedaling the Vaccine
"So many conservatives peddling the vaccine like people that i used to trust and listen to cassini names. You know who i'm talking about. These people say they all care about facts and yet it just is really bizarre to me. Is it wishful. Thinking is now looking at data. Are they afraid of being called names if it's a combination of factors one is there there. There is an element of people in our business whose monetization model derives largely from a platform. Like a face button. And so what you'll find if you go and look at their commentary on things that you don't get pinged on facebook for it. I mean they go. They go to the wall the mattress on those sites on the things that you would get pinged on facebook for like say election integrity or this conversation. They have nothing to say. I think that's part of it. I think also. There is an element within our movement. And i say this as someone that probably was counted himself amongst this group until a few years ago when i could no longer deny the ferocity of just the pagans zealotry that we're up against but there is still a an element of our movement that is concerned about what our base will do if they don't kind of rein them in That that will all be cons- you know. Certified nuts crazy banned everywhere that will be disinvited from polite society so somebody some some really smart people have got to kind of run. The overton window on the right. I think that's part of it I think it's also they think we're still doing conventional science here and that there are you know. There were some very prevalent people in our industry. That were promoting scott gottlieb last year and a legitimate spokesperson. Okay and i think it comes down to you. Know what we can still all work together and live together here. We have you know people that are object there. These people don't exist any longer. No one is objective any longer. You're you're in a culture that's in a cold civil war and i'm sorry it sucks. I'm not you know a father of three kids. I'm not really happy about what that means for the future. But i ha- i can't lie to myself about that any longer
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"The trump presidency was full of these surreal moments. That would sort of come and go and then you forget it. I'm like two years ago this month. When the then president clumsily attempted to justify his proposed ban on flavored e cigarettes by citing first lady. Melania trump concern about their teenage son. Barron vaping has become a very big business. As i understand it. We can't have our youth be so affected and i'm hearing that's how the first lady got involved. She's got a son together. That is a a beautiful young man and chief feels very very strongly burden. She's got a son dot dot dot together nice. Save dad was september. Twenty nineteen but the seat of that vaping bam was planted much earlier the year before the then commissioner of the food and drug administration dr scott gottlieb declared youth vaping an epidemic flavored vape cartridges causing a surge in teenagers. Becoming addicted nicotine. Gottlieb's set at the time quote. Teenagers becoming regular users. No-one can look at the data and say there's no problem demanded the vape companies moved to curb use among children took steps to regulate how easily teens could access the highly addictive products. So on the one hand scott gottlieb perfectly fit the mold of a trump appointee. He was a veteran of the george w bush administration of venture capitalists with strong ties to big pharma on the other hand. This kind of aggressive regulatory action was not something so a lot of under trump mean godly was proposing restrictions on big business in the name of public health. Predictably he faced some serious pushback from special interest groups in april twenty. Nine thousand nine. Scott gottlieb resigned. Apparently on good terms ultimately leaving the flavored veep issue unsettled five months later. President trump went on to propose a ban on flavored vapes only to soften his position when his campaign manager broad scale found polling. That indicated the ban would hurt trump with his vape loving base. Some of those people protested the white house and rallies with signs reading. I vape i vote. So the president waffled and the fda ended up implementing a watered down version of the proposal but by that time scott gottlieb was long gone from the administration. Which in hindsight was a shame. Gottlieb came to be viewed as a pretty effective fda commissioner before he left office and when coated hit a year later he became something of voice of reason in the media. I mean here was this conservative. Guy trump administration official who took the pandemic seriously and was warning loudly and persistently incorrectly about the cast catastrophe that was unfolding but instead of offering that advice directly the president from inside the administration he was pushing them from the outside because he would outside of it. I'll talk to dr scott. Cop lied about this time his time. In and out of the trump administration next early last year when the threat of cove it was starting to emerge. There was a small set of voices that demonstrated vision and judgment about the course of the pandemic that i began to really rely on them. One of them somewhat surprising there was a former member of the trump administration. Who before the us recorded. Its very first cova death code a piece in the wall street journal and opinion piece warning that we must act now to prevent american epidemic. Dr scott gottlieb served nearly two years as trump's food and drug administration commissioner. He left in two thousand nineteen. He's been one of those rare conservatives. Who remain sensible clear-out data driven about the pandemic now. He's a new book titled uncontrolled spread. Why cova nineteen crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic where he provides new details about what went wrong. Particularly at the agency. Level made the country so vulnerable to this novel corona virus and scott gottlieb former fda commissioner current pfizer. Board member joins me now. It's good to have you doctor. I've sort of followed your your work and have a benefit from it. So thanks coming on the program. I want to ask what your first moment. What was your first o. Stomach drop moment in twenty one thousand nine hundred twenty twenty about this. Yeah i remember it vividly. It was martin. Luther king day weekend and reporting overnight had gone from fifty cases that were being reported in wuhan of severe pneumonia to two hundred and all the cases that were being reported where people who were hospitalized with very severe conditions. And so whenever you see that you worry that it's just. It's just the tip of the iceberg. That if two hundred people are hospitalized with very severe pneumonia there must be hundreds of thousands of people with milder symptoms who are going unreported because it's unusual to see respiratory pathogen that just causes severe pneumonia so made a phone. Call that day to joe grogan ahead of the domestic policy council in the white house to express my concerns. I talk about this in the book and urge him to reach out to the department of health and human services to get a coordinated briefing together between fda and cdc. Because i knew it was going to be important that the different agencies in hhs start to coordinate a response. He actually followed up on that he asks for that briefing that day and that actually is what triggered a phone call between the secretary that day at the president was the first time that the secretary briefed the president. He called him while he was on the golf course to brief him for the first time on the on the unfolding situation and wuhan. I believe that the phone call that grogan had made to the department is what triggered that that subsequent phone call you. Read the book about the that period late february and to me the key is nancy massoni as briefing where she says. I'll never forget it coming in here. I talked to my principal about remote school. And i'm thinking you talk to the principal about remote school. This is late. February you write about the fallout trump was upset with the briefing in february warning. The community spread was all but evitable the federal health officials stopped announcing new. Cova mitigation measures for full two weeks if the mere hint mitigation prompted markets to swoon. Some of the white house political team argued. It could be utter carnage. They actually implemented the measures. Massoni hit discussed. It prompted the white house to freeze further action for full two weeks while they consider their options. How costly was that. Yeah people administration refer to it as the loss two weeks. I was talking to people over the time period That's the president. Put the vice president in charge of the response at that point but they they did sort of reassessment of where they were and it wasn't until another two weeks that they started to take more aggressive actions. It was very costly. This was at the point. When epidemic really was exploding inside the us just didn't know it. The other component of that briefing. She said that community spread was all but inevitable but not same briefing which got less attention. She said there was no community. Spread at this time which we now know wasn't true. There in fact was a lot of communities spread of the virus already underway. Part of that was the fact that the testing was broken from the beginning. And this is a real institutional failure. You know. I mean there's layers to the failure that happened here. But but cdc really botched the testing. I mean they basically said we're gonna issue our own tests and those tests didn't work what. How do you understand that failure. Why it happened here wasn't just the failure of the cdc to be able to design to deploy their own tests. The idea was that they were gonna test. They had access to the virus samples so they would design a test. They would manufacture it as small scale and deployed to the public health labs. There's one hundred public health labs in this country each capable of doing about one hundred tests a day so that's ten thousand tests a day. That's nowhere near what we needed. What needed to happen was we needed to get the commercial manufacturers engaged right from the outset someone in early january inside the administration needed to say that we needed more testing and he had to get the large scale manufacturers in the game. Cdc was not going to be able to fill the testing boy. This is a question that doesn't directly bear on your considerable expertise in a variety of areas..
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"The more that this becomes normalized and routinization. I think the more that people are going to feel comfortable with the decision to get vaccinated and the incremental Data certainly has been supportive around all the vaccines john. J just put out data showing very good results with their vaccine durable immune response A very robust response from a second dose of that paxon so that that is another very important option for consumers differentiated vaccine We're going to get back to the sort of narrow question around boosters. There is evidence of declining vaccine effectiveness over time particularly in an older population vaccinated a long interval. Go that's not a surprise. A lot of vaccines have efficacy. That declines over time. A lot of vaccines require the repeat administration boosters until you get long term immunity that's durable so we're gonna have to provide boosters to some portion of population i think that the fda made a Reasonable informed choice in deciding to make a recommendation the advisory panel that we should initially start with boosters for an older population that's more risk from covert that was vaccinated a longer period ago. We can then provided boosters to the most vulnerable population continued to collect more information and based on what we learn. Make a decision about whether we're going to walk boosters down to age continue will make them available to it. Successively younger population in the recommendation. That the fda advisory panel may they said you know boosters are being recommended for people sixty five and above but they also said people who are at high risk of severe outcome from cova now that can include people who have underlying health conditions. It might also include people who are at risk of getting a cook of contracting cove. People who are at excessive risk because of their occupation so cdc's now going to have the ability to interpret that recommendation and provide more granularity around it and more advice practical advice to providers and patients on how to use that recommendation to make decisions around the administration of boosters just really really quickly just on that point There are folks like my parents who are in their eighties. The doctor still isn't sure exactly how to advise them on the booster. Do you think that this will get better quickly for the people who need this information. I think this'll get better quickly. Because that was a very clear. Statement from the fda's advisory panel that that they believe. The data supports the administration and boosters for those above the age of sixty five. You can argue. Maybe it should have been sixty based on the data that they were reviewing..
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"We can leave these decisions in the hands of local communities to try to make these decisions on behalf of themselves I think the more productive of an outcome. You're gonna get more that you're going to get decisions that move in the direction of trying to implement local standards that protect communities. So you're saying that the federal mandate is not the best idea over. That's one thing that the biden administration is pushing. What is your take on the direction. Overall that the biden administration has taken the pandemic response. Look i think that they've done an outstanding job rolling out The vaccine and getting the public vaccinate we now have seventy six percent of the adult population with at least one dose of Covert vaccine most of those individuals are going to complete vaccine series about ninety percent of people who who have an initial Vaccination will complete the series every one percent that we get from here on out is going to be hard to fight for the first vaccine. I twenty percent was a lot easier than vaccine the next one percent. I think on our current ejecta just if we hadn't changed policy recently and had an implemented those broader mandates. I think we would have gotten to eighty percent just on the trajectory that the administration was on We're not gonna get above ninety percent even with childhood immunizations even the measles measles mumps and rebel a good. We might get ninety. Four percent of children back stated most uses ninety percent this year. It's going to be a lot less diptheria in protest the same way. It's about ninety percents. Ten year average Compliance with the child the entire childhood immunization schedules about seventy percent. And these are mutations that are mandated by states for attendance in schools. So i don't think with an adult vaccine. We're gonna get above ninety percent. I think maybe we'll get to eighty five percent question. We have to ask ourselves. Is what price we willing to pay to get from eighty to eighty five percent. Because i think that's what we're really fighting over right. Now that's what that's what we're struggling to achieve. And we also have to factor in that probably that last five percent probably half of them have been vaccine have been Infected with covert and have some natural immunity. That's protective so. I think that the the idea of a federal mandate on small private businesses It's going to be very divisive in this country and we need to ask the question whether or not we're going to achieve enough public health standpoint getting that next three to five percent vaccinated. But what we're gonna pay in terms of making this much more objectively political issue and now having the issue of vaccines be something that becomes a national political issue. I'm not being pollyannish and saying it wasn't a political issue before it certainly was but now it's going to be even more political. You're gonna have governors running for president on this very issue and is that what we want to make this to make this such a national issue. The the best outcome would have been to try to take the temperature down Try to empower people around this decision. There'll be many people who argue with me and say that was impossible. There's no way we're going to do that. And this was the only option. We're gonna pay a price for this. We just need to recognize that. So i wanna talk about this week. There's been some new developments we had Pfizer saying that. They found that the vaccine is safe for children as young as to We have booster shot information coming out. Not just firm. The fazrin medina but also johnson johnson putting out new information this week about the effectiveness of its booster. What do you think these developments will do in moving that three to five percent that you're talking about i think it's i think. The incremental information about the effectiveness of the vaccine is going to continue to win hearts and minds. And i think that the more that this vaccine become something that seems normalized. It's no longer a novel vaccine. It's fully approved. There's been three hundred more than three hundred. Eighty million doses delivering the ice states. Five point eight billion people around the globe have received a dose of vaccine or five point eight billion doses have been delivered globally. The more that this becomes normalized and routinization. I think the more that people are going to feel comfortable with the decision to get vaccinated and the incremental Data certainly has been supportive around all the vaccines.
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"This is on point. I'm kimberly atkin store and from meghna chakrabarti back in january. Twenty twenty before any of us had heard of kovic nineteen former fda. Commissioner scott gottlieb wrote a series of opinion pieces published in places like the wall street journal the washington post cnbc urging the country to prepare to act quickly. So scott gottlieb. When did you first realize that. The news from china was the start of something that had the potential to be much bigger the start of a true pandemic. Well thanks for having me probably the the first time That i became alarm to the point of making a phone call to some of my former colleagues in the trump white house was martin luther king day weekend I was away and i had read the news. Overnight that The number of cases being reported in wuhan had quadrupled so the chinese government had put out figures saying that there were about two hundred cases of people stricken with this mysterious. Pneumonia had gone from fifty to about two hundred. Forget the exact numbers. But that's That's approximate and all the all the cases that they were identifying with severely ill so not only did the velocity of that. Change look Deeply concerning but also the idea that unidentified respiratory virus is making people severely ill when you see a situation like that you surmise right away that there's a lot of other cases that are going on recognized because it's unusual that virus would only cost severe illness. I mean we saw with sars in moore's but typically there would be a range of clinical manifestations and so if all their reporting are the people who are being hospitalized with very severe pneumonia. Your immediate concern is that. That's the tip of very large iceberg. And in fact this this outbreak this epidemic. That's underway in. Wuhan could be much broader so i called Joe rogan. Who was the head of the domestic policy council. The time under president trump had worked with me back at fda. During the bush administration had been deputy commissioner. He had worked worked for me at the time. And we stayed in touch ever since and worked on policy together and Told him. I was very concerned and suggested that. He asked for briefing from the department of health and human services to make sure that. Hhs was coordinating across their different operatives. Because my concern was that if we were going to be able to stage inadequate response in fact this did break out of wuhan and become More of a global threat. And no one at that time. Thought this was going to become a pandemic that you'd need the different agencies like cdc and fda in barda the different components of each coordinating very closely. And so that was my initial advice to him. But i told him that i was Very concerned by what we were seeing. So i should let our listeners know that. In addition to serving as fda commissioner under president trump scott gottlieb is also a physician and senior fellow. At the american enterprise institute. He sits on the board advisor and his new book is out today. Uncontrolled spread wachovia nineteen crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. So i wanna go back to that point in january. Scott where you said you. You saw what was happening in wuhan. You were alarmed and notified the white house. And as i said you wrote Some some op. Ed pieces at the time. But i want to ask you in one washington post op. Ed that you wrote on twenty third very close to that. Mlk weaken timeline warning that we need to head off the corona virus threat. Even in that you said you know you comparing it to sars and murders and you said this time the world is better prepared to deal with the threat though. The warning signs are unsettling. There's reason to believe that the virus may mostly 'cause mild illness and can be contained without major impacts. Did you really appreciate what was coming and is it. Could anybody appreciated at that point. What was coming no. I don't think at that point It was obvious. Certainly you know to to delay public. But even policymakers who were who were seeing intelligence based on what we know now new information that was being surfaced There was very little information. Coming out of china We had no details at. This was a sars-like corona virus at that point Or or or sort of true nature of the pathogenicity of this virus. We were still getting a handle on whether or not there was asymptomatic transmission. We had just learned that there was human-to-human transmission. I think that the disclosure that there were about a dozen naturally more infected healthcare workers came somewhere around second week in january from from chinese officials from the chinese government. So we didn't even have clear evidence that there was human-to-human transmission until right around this time period so the information wasn't flowing fluidly out of china. There was an awareness certainly in wuhan of the severity of what was on the way that information was suppressed. We now know at a provincial level. So even officials in beijing even sort of Senior government officials they themselves warren. Getting a full accounting from provincial officials in wuhan new province so there was suppression at every level. So i think in in january we were still very much in in the fog of viral war. And there was a presumption that if you could deploy diagnostic testing Try to get people. Diagnosed more aggressively like south korea did that. There was a window of opportunity that even if this did break out of china and that was still an if at that point that you could put in place adequate preparations to try to prevent mass introduction of this virus into the united states. Now we now know that we didn't. We didn't deploy diagnostic testing. We were blind to this early spread. We got heavily seated with virus before you ever got a full accounting of what was underway. At that point we had lost control. So talk about where Things wrong where things went wrong. What failed in the. Us response and where was primarily a problem at the c. d. c. Where what were the blunders. Where did they take place there. There were mistakes made at every level. And you know. I deliberately in the book tried to focus on the more systemic shortcomings in the structure. The us response and not just focus exclusively on the political shortcomings but they were clearly political mistakes. Mistakes in leadership All along the way and so setting those aside just for the moment focusing on the structural features of government where we where we went wrong going back and looking at those those op-eds in january that had written and this is again a big focus of the book. What i was advocating at the time was that we should start a very aggressive effort to try to develop and deploy mass screening tests diagnostic tests to employ. What we call sentinel surveillance. We're basically what you would do is people who are presenting with flu like symptoms but testing negative for flu so they have some other respiratory virus. We should have been testing. Those people at a massive scale to try to see corona virus was starting to circulate in the united states. We didn't early enough work with the manufacturers and labs capable of scaling that kind of testing to have that in place in time from that. We needed in order to do that in order to have that in place. In time from that was required we would have had to begin that effort at some point in january as it were. We really didn't start that effort till the end of february or early march so we were way late to this and and we were way late to recognize the scope of the threat. Someone in january needed to say this may become a global pandemic. The only way we're going to be able to protect the united states and be able to identify the spread. Get people tested Isolated quarantined if they're sick is with a massive diagnostic testing campaign. We need to start getting the commercial manufacturers capable of scaling that testing in place right now. That just didn't happen. That conversation never happened in part was because we were playing off of a very old blueprint. The old blueprint for pandemic preparedness. Had the cdc going cdc would be the first Organization to get samples of a novel virus. They would design their own tests. They would deploy that test to the one hundred public health labs in this country. Each of those labs is capable of doing about one hundred has today. That's ten thousand tests a day which is way insufficient relative to the crisis. We faced if that's still isn't adequate testing than cdc would work with the academic labs get them stood out to develop what we call laboratory developed tests. And if that's still isn't enough testing then they would work with the commercial labs that are able to mass manufacture diagnostics and distribute them to commercial labs across the country. That's a highly editor process. And it actually. Cdc's blueprint which. I reviewed for the book actually had this unfolding over the course of six months. We didn't have six days let alone six weeks. Let alone six months to get this in place and so we were playing off of a blueprint that with the expectation was that the pandemic strain would sort of emerge and evolve on a much slower timeframe whereas this corona virus raised around the world and raced round country and just want to dig a little deeper into that. What were the factors that led to the failure of setting up that testing infrastructure was it. You said you said in part it was this old..
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"Able to get paid because if you calculate how much is it in financial assets and a financial asset is only lane right to buy goods and services otherwise it's worthless there's an enormous amount of that. How is that going to be dealt with. It has to be dealt with with the printing of mine. So you have those two forces. I think the greater force is the force of the those financial assets that the world in together we'll never be able to convert into goods and services because they're just too much of it. So what do you do. Does that mean you wanna be owning much real estate as possible leverage yourself. Does that say to yourself. The crypto crypto and. Bitcoin is more valuable than i mean. This goes back to cash is trash. Where do you put the cast. Okay i know cash trash so don't keep it in cash right second. The most important thing. I think that an individual investor or any investor can do is know how to diversify well because all those asset classes will outperform cash. And so if you add but also risk when you can diversify well and diversify diversify across countries currencies acid classes. And so on so that you have that balance then you take your your tactical moves from there. But the most important thing. I think to divert how to diversify well. I think most people are not doing that. I think most people think okay. It's the stock market and and the stock market. I think is relatively attractive. In relationship to the alternatives but that dynamic is going to start to change monetary policy against either and so on and so forth so diversify well in those various areas the country currency the asset class. I mentioned briefly crypto. And i know you've had different views on this. A lot of people think of that as a new investment class that has had enormous run thus far but also as a way to mitigate if you will against the idea of what the value of cash becomes worth considering all the The alternatives to cash. And all the alternatives to some of the financial elastic. Bitcoin has Has is a possibility. Is that i have a certain amount of money and bid going. It's a small percentage of that which i have in gold which is a relatively small percentage of what i have in my other asset classes and so on and i think that that has the merit. It's it's an. It's an amazing accomplishment to brought it from where that programming occurred to where it is and take the test of time on the other hand. It's if if it's successful. It's going to not be the governments. Don't want to have it successful. You don't want to have a western governments like el salvador. I know that's not exactly going to be the leading government on this. But they're their governments. That may take this on. But the whole no. No no no the el-salvador salvador taken on and you have indian getting rid of it and the united states talking about how to regulate it and it could still be controlled. So that's right. What what the salvador and you talk about your alternative money's thing you believe that regulation ultimately will make something like bitcoin. Other cryptocurrencies have a future. Or do you think regulation will kill it. Well i think regulation. I think at the end of the day. If it's really successful they'll kill it and they'll try to kill it. And i think they will kill it because they have ways of killing it but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a place of a value and so on but it's one of those things right have intrinsic value if you if you put crypto-currencies or let's say bitcoin in the historical perspective right. There were so many things in a historical perspective that were given intrinsic that didn't have intrinsic value and we're have perceived value and then became hot. And then they become clo- cold so it could be the way you just have to know what it is right. I mean like it you know. It could be tulips in and holland intrinsic value. So what is the value. And then there are technological. Changes i don. I'm no expert on that. I'm just trying to say that when we asked me my opinion is take what it's worth. I'm no expert on it. I think it. I think diversification values it matters. I suspect the real question that investors should be asking themselves is how much stuff like that. Do they have. How much stuff do they have do. They have gold okay. Should we be talking about how much you in gold versus. How much you have in bitcoin. And do you have a diversification in those kinds of things that we might call intrinsic value money because we have a fiat monetary system okay with fiat monetary system. Where is your hard money. That's a question. And i however you go after it. I think that's the question to be answered. Okay there's two other pillars to the to the conversation. We're having here when you spelled out three three different sort of pieces of machinery. I think actually maybe five in total but let's focus on the three the political environment right now. you have long talked about taxes and inequality and what's happening here overlay that on top of what you just said. Well we have a We have large wealth and opportunity. Gaps you. You know a couple of years ago. I wrote a piece which was called the wine how capitalism needs to be reformed because besides not being fair. It not achieving the goal of being able to have broad based opportunity because capitalism intrigue intrinsically prosperity but it creates it in a different way for different people and that tends to be self perpetuating because those who earn the money then take care of their kids and they have better education and so on. And if you look at the bigger psycho when you get up and rich and then you get into some problems. You have wealth gaps in the whole thing gets challenged. And that's the cycle that we're in and so the question is the how do you make productivity continue to increase rather than just redistribution. And so. that's where we are politically. We have that conflict. We see the left bright conflict. We see it play out now in the tax bills and so on. We're going to see it in the two thousand twenty two elections. You're going to see it in two and that conflict itself is the ingredients of some form of civil war conflict. It doesn't lend itself to release. Get your talked a lot about you've used it before. Do you think that we really are headed that. Well i think the question is what's a war you know a war it doesn't have to be killing each other. Okay well. i don't need it that way. I mean but but sometimes when it gets out of control it it does lead to that. It's a good thing that we read history and see how it is left in. The past how moderation has gone to extremism is something we should be aware of but it is We certainly have kind of a war. Developing between the various factions. The states. it's a and so on and how that will be resolved like in the two thousand twenty two elections. There's still the question There's talk of Systematically challenging those alleged rent and if and if there's a systematic challenge that's a challenge to democracy because if you don't know who gets to sit in the seat to make the boats how do you resolve that kind of thing if the system isn't there it depends how extreme we get. I'm not talking about the fact that we will go there. I'm just saying you have to be aware of it and then in the more we're aware of it. Maybe the more cautious. We're going not to be that way. But if we don't pull together as a country okay if we keep fighting with each other and have this together with the bad finances and together with a rising power challenging the existing power. That's.
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"And am 5 80. Orlando's news and talk puts a big burden on businesses to act operationalized that and then determine what they're going to do with the results. So I think a lot of businesses are going to opt to try to force workers to get vaccinated. If, in fact the seven goes into effect, so I don't think we had to reach down to the level of small businesses with 100 or more employees and put a federal requirement on him. I don't think the federal government should be dictating this. I also don't think Governor should be preventing small businesses from making these determinations on their own. We should leave these decisions to communities, local communities and businesses to make assessments on what their risk is what their settings are. How much precautions that can put in That's Dr Scott Gottlieb, former FDA chief under Trump. And I believe he did some work for President Obama, and he's sharing the downside of the mandate. He obviously wants everyone to get the vaccine. He believes in the vaccine, he says. He's on the fighter board and they're coming out with the booster. So obviously you know where he stands, But he's saying the mandates are not a good move because it just hardens people's positions. 52% of you support the, uh 48%. I should say favor the vaccine. 52% opposed the vaccine. You're talking about a country that 75% of eligible vaccine takers have taken the shot one shot. And usually people get the second shot so eventually going to get there. You don't need to be berated and said they're requiring federal workers to get the vaccine requiring the military to get the vaccine they now are going to announce in. Maybe a month. Five and up are going to be eligible to get the vaccine Do you want Joe Biden? Tell me what to do with my kid. Five year old. Okay, let's see what the president wants. No, you're gonna go see your pediatrician. Things are getting totally out of control, and the president says Well, he's losing patience with that, And it's not fair to the country. It's not about your freedom. That's where you're absolutely wrong. It is about the freedom in fact, Um, you have Dr Scott Gottlieb Even excuse me. You have Asa Hutchinson, who weighed in before about what he's done. He is going to town halls, telling people to go with questions, answering their questions about Mrna and the fighter and the modern and with the differences and what the holdup might be and targeted businesses about how they're going to put their employers saying when it comes to push back why PhDs and so many cases of saying I don't want it really? Why do so many doctors say I don't want to? Can we ask? What do you want to ridicule? Why the four In 10, African Americans. Those are the foreign 10 Take the Vaccine six and 10. Don't Why? Historically, it's been a bad scene in American history. When it comes to African community and some cases and vaccine. That's why so not only does he not address it. Here's even go ahead and be proactive on it. But it said, you want to just make believe it's Trump supporters. I want you to with Rhonda Santa's. He just teed off on the president, which, by the way, I'm gonna torn on because after the president wants he wants somebody to go against him. Cut 26. We've had people that have been working.
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"Nightmarish enough. But i'm looking at the new york times daily tracking poll where they do the fourteen day rolling average dead's over a thousand now a day up ninety five percent so that's adding thirty thousand deaths per month that rate. Which is i know you know. I certainly didn't think that would be going on in august late. August of two thousand twenty one right and who knows how long it'll last. It could be super short live. They could come and go the whole delta peak his point so many people will be infected or inoculated or whatever vaccinated. Those of us who have kids in school are going back to school. I got one starting today. in one. Starting on wednesday to different schools to completely different situations are all wondering how this is gonna work. Dr scott lead Scott gottlieb gets to that. If my was scott gottlieb. I'd go by scott leib because it just like like benefit like benefa- yeah clip fifty one..
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"Our outdoor space because those outdoor park glitz and tables have become so important to keeping businesses alive over the last year they also provide another option for people who potentially are not vaccinated people who feel safer dining outdoors right now with everything that's going on with the variants and coded In terms of incentivizing employees. It's been a rough year for restaurants. Don't think a lot of them had extra money on hand before kovic happened. They certainly don't have it now. They're also facing down a huge labor challenge right now. It is so hard to find and keep workers. I think a lot of people have reassessed. What worked looks like over the last year. The restaurant industry has certainly lost workers. So i think when you're asking about what owners are doing. They're grappling with these decisions. It may feel like the right thing to do to keep everyone safe to mandate a vaccine but on the flip side you could wind up losing employees just the same way. You could wind up turning off customers by doing that. I think there's a lot to think about their daddy meyer head. It's the right thing to do. That's what he's doing. New york city's doing it. I think we're gonna see more of that. But i think particularly in states where vaccine rates are low you're gonna see owners kind of grappling with what the right booth is there for companies. That are heavily franchised. Like mcdonald's or like domino's. I think they're in a tough spot with mandating vaccines because franchisees are technically small business owners of their own and they kind of said pay rates schedules policies within their own restaurants. So it'll be really interesting to see what winds up happening on that front in terms of vaccines in staffing. We spoke to john peyton from brands about that very issue and he had some interesting things to say about how he's of not in control because ninety six percent of.
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"Up some more info on how delta variant these vaccines boosters and his ongoing never ending pan-demic are all affecting the economy. I caught up with one of cnbc's reporters. I am key rogers. I cover small business entrepreneurship and the restaurant industry fluorescence cnbc. A bi coastal chats over. Pretty much to the day. Seventeen months ago the country's restaurants were hit with a tidal wave. They let the majority of their employees go. The ones that couldn't transition to take or online completely closed down.
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"This virus replicates that we shouldn't be able to drug the machinery that it uses to spread this three drugs in advanced development right now one's by pfizer. That's in face to face to studies another one by merck they in license it from a company called ridgeback. That's been a good drug-fighting company those are the two that have furthest along. They both looked promising in early. Stage clinical trials in pivotal trials. Right now there's a third drug by roche that's in development that's a little bit further behind. There's a possibility that we could have a drug available. This winter from one of these clinical trials. I think the clinical trials themselves are gonna be challenging to run. Because you're going to be looking to run. Trials either demonstrate that the drugs reduce the symptoms of covert or reduced progression to severe disease or they reduce the likelihood of coming coming down with covert. If you're exposed to it when you're trying to run those trials against the backdrop of a largely vaccine population to try to look at those outcomes. You need to enroll a pretty big cohort people and probably need to follow them for an extended period of time particularly. If you're looking to demonstrate the drugs reduced the progression to severe disease because the reality is only a very small percentage of people with covert progress severe disease and then scott..
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"Haven't you back pocket in case you need to pivot to it and the good thing about these vaccines is the manufacturing processes pretty much plug and play. You don't have to but if you wanted to if you wanted to giving dealt if you wanted to give boosters that were specific to delta how quickly could could we have access to those well you could start manufacturing them in volume right now. You still have to go through a regulatory process but the reality is that you probably want to do that unless you had clear evidence that the existing vaccine was effective against the very because even if you might surmise that a new variant vaccine targeting delta might be slightly more effective against delta. Where you don't know is how does that vaccine work against everything else. And we have a lot of data on the existing vaccine. We know it works well against everything else. So you take the burden to handle these situations unless you see a big drop off ineffectiveness of the vaccine against existing stream that's circulating and we don't see that right now dr. What investors are trying to figure out here is how how long this new stream of revenue is going to be for the likes of advisor at a moderna so to that end or should we assume that these booster are going to be every six months for years out that it's going to be like a flu shot. Yeah well. I certainly don't think it's going to be every six months. I think what what we've said from the outset is could become an annual Inoculation much like the flu shot. It's unclear right now. You know could be the case that once you receive a third booster. Patients are going to drive more durable immunity or certainly people who are immuno-compromised derive a more durable response. That doesn't mean that they're going to be protected in perpetuity. They might need a subsequent booster from time to time but it might not be every year it might be every other year Once you start spacing these out longer. You might derive more durable response. But i think certainly for some cohort patients. Those who are gonna compromise. it will be more frequent. Maybe not every six months but certain certainly annually for the rest of the population might be annually. Might be every other year. We don't know right. Now how durable the response is going to be after the third does the other big variable is will. This virus drafted virus continues to drift and vaccines lose effectiveness overtime against the prevailing stream. Then you're going to.
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"Separate question around the declining unity that we're observing in some of the clinical data particularly out of israel. Also some of the us data right now from people who were vaccinated a longtime those people who were vaccine december january and people who are older. Who don't have fully intact. Immune systems to begin with and in that cohort. We are seeing an indication of declining union. Now the judgment that public health officials are making here in the united states is that the declines aren't significant enough yet to warrant Additional boosters. I think that the us public health officials and this is a policy call as much as a public health call. I think they want to continue getting first doses in americans and probably pivot to booster shots probably sometime in september when they have data from the nih on mix and match. So they'll have data on using pfizer's vaccine and maderna's vaccine interchangeably. And they'll probably have worked through a larger swath of the population. That's still seeking first doses. One interesting point. Is that israel overnight. Also authorized booster shots always fifty and over and healthcare workers. So they're starting to walk down. There booster shots. They've largely fully re vaccinated their population sixty over and now they're starting to walk down the continuum. We have to keep in mind we. also gave immunity immunizations to the elderly population in nursing homes. Back in december and also Inoculated our health workers back in december. So those would be the two cohorts that you would seek to give booster shots. I two people who are furthest out from being vaccinated and either who are high risk of a bad covert outcome people in nursing homes or those who come into contact with cova constantly like our healthcare workers so you literally anticipated my follow up. Question was about what israel did overnight and on that note. Why does it feel like we're playing from behind. Why does it feel like we're following rather than leading when it comes to booster shots and why not just open it up to for..
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"Is squawk pod from cnbc today. We're focused on reopening reconnection. And frankly fear andrew ross sorkin melissa lee and scott wapner got into the worries about the delta variant and the pandemics seemingly endless time line. Here's melissa base. Because the latest company to delay its plan to return. Us employees to their offices in initially planned to bring back workers in october with strict vaccination and mass requirements. But now it is pushing back that plan until january of next year amazon announced a similar plan for corporate employees last week. They're more and more our own company. Nbc universal also postponed Back to the office plans to october. So what a huge impact on so many parts of the cities that we don't even think about whether it's the transportation catering companies there's all sorts of catering companies that that typically you know Cater like Caffeine corp cafeterias and things like that that business goes away. I mean there's lots of people who get impacted by this even beyond just whether people are going into the office or not. I was talking to my real estate broker who operates in new york city and he was saying that the rental market was picking up so rapidly that there are bidding words for for rents but with the postponement with back to work. You gotta wonder if that's also going to slow down so there's a whole other there's a whole ecosystem surrounding the office and what it means to go back to the office. We shutdown opportunities remember. There was a run if you will on properties outside of big cities. I was thinking of now like right. Now the hamptons where people renting for the there was a whole group of people just renting for. Yeah now. they're probably going to extend that or buying right. And that prices will remain. Although yesterday said that housing prices were moderating touch right in some of those communities. But i don't know it could reverse just as easily are thinking it gets extended and places like that right to your point that people are already out there and you're planning on coming back because you had to be in the office. Why wouldn't you extend your your rent or your lease if you could. If some we're going to be different. I think this year schools a lot of this country right people were renting or moving to other places are remote to remote and they thought they could. They could make it work. I think i hope for the sake of kids. Yes i hope we're wrong. I hope they were very wrong. People able to at least get their kids back school. Therefore they're back to maybe where they least originally whipped. We'll see that's the most important point that you make though about school. We can only hope today. The fda authorized covert booster shots a third vaccine.
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on Squawk Pod
"Outlast means pm rings long-term experience actively investing through thirty market cycles to deliver for our clients. Join the pursuit of outperformance at jim dot com. That's pg im dot com. This is squawk pod. I'm cnbc producer. Cameron kosta today on our podcast. One shot two shots three shots more the fda approving additional cova jobs for americans with compromised. Immune systems dr scott gottlieb former head of the fda this could get implemented right away. Doctors can start prescribing based on this emergency use authorization how the policy and the patients are changing over the course of the pandemic. We're likely to see a pickup in this delta infection. Probably my guess is late september. And you're going to see the delta wave course through probably between late september. October hopefully will be the other side of it or coming on the other side of it sometime in november plus how it's all affecting business owners and a conversation with cnbc's. Kate rogers that you'll only here on this podcast and we do know that new business starts people wanting to start. New companies have gone up significantly over the last year. So i think there are new entrepreneurs that are willing to take a risk and a gamble..
Former FDA Head Warns COVID-19 Delta Variant Will Infect 'Majority' of Unvaccinated Americans
"The former head of the Food and Drug Administration is warning unvaccinated Americans that becoming infected with the delta variant of the coronavirus is very serious. Dr. Scott Gottlieb, speaking on CBS's face the Nation yesterday about this fast spreading variants, and most people will either get vaccinated. Or have been previously infected, Or they will get this delta variant and for most people who get this Delta variant, it's going to be the most serious virus that they get in their lifetime. In terms of the risk of putting them in the hospital, the Delta Varian has fueled a rise in infections in all 50 states. Hospitalizations of also jumped. 36% and deaths are up 26%, according to CDC
Gottlieb: Delta Variant Will Be "Most Serious Virus" Unvaccinated Get in Their Lifetime
"Commissioner Dr Scott Gottlieb says cases are on the rise in every state in the country. This variant is so contagious for most people who get this Delta variant. It's going to be the most serious virus that they get in their life. Time in terms of the risk of putting them in the hospital. Dangerous
New Covid Study Hints at Long-Term Loss of Brain Tissue
"Let's talk about This study out of the uk about covid because it suggests there could be some long term loss of brain tissue from covid for those who've gotten which could have long term consequences dot said the destruction of brain tissue could explain why kobe patients lost their sense of smell. There's been lots of conversations even to this very day about whether you should vaccinate or you shouldn't get vaccinated and there are people who think You know younger kids might not want to get vaccinated That they'd i know parents who think maybe it's better that they get cove it And i think the answer is starting to bloom clear and clear that vaccination may be the right answer. We'll talk to dr scott lee scott gottlieb about
Biden Backs Waiving International Patent Protections for COVID-19 Vaccines
"Morning, the U. S trade representative announcing that the Biden administration supports a waiver of intellectual property protections for covert 19 vaccine patents. Will advocate the lift The measures with the World Trade Organization representative Catherine Tie, noted that President to Biden strongly believes in the protections but considers the waiver needed S O that Other countries, especially those experiencing a surge and infections like India can ramp up their vaccine programs. The White House has faced pressure to support the waiver. But critics and some drug manufacturers argue it's too risky and won't actually increase global vaccine distribution. In fact, Visor board member of Dr Scott Gottlieb Says the U. S. Needs to be honest about the process. Look, We just need to be honest about what we're promising when not if we promise that we're going to give away the AIP were not promising that anybody is going to get a dose from the manufacturing facility outside the United States for at least a year, And that's not the most circumstance I think could take longer than that. I think the Chinese and the Russians do have the capacity. Copy these vaccines. There's one vaccine manufacturing South Africa that we could potentially work with to do a tech transfer to stand up manufacturing in that facility. They couldn't make a vaccine soup to nuts because this is a multi part process different facilities and needed for different parts. This process, even fives and manufactures the vaccine over multiple facilities they could take on, perhaps to fill, finishing or some parts of the state steps involved in manufacturing vaccine. It would take time it would take at least six months to a year. You'd have to put personnel new equipment in there to do that. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not going to be something that solves the problem in next six months, maybe the next 12 months. Audio courtesy of CNBC. All 164 members of the World Trade Organization will have to agree on the matter before Ah, waivers implemented.
Could Technology Replace Animal Testing?
"In january of two thousand eighteen. You food and drug administration. Commissioner scott gottlieb announced that the agency after an internal investigation had permanently ended a nicotine addiction study in which force world monkeys had died. He said in a statement on the fda website based on the team's findings it is clear. The study was not consistent with the agencies high animal welfare standards any september twenty seventeen letter famous primate researcher and conservationist jane goodall had denounced the research as cruel and unnecessary saying that the harmful effects of smoking on humans are already known and could be studied directly in addition to ending study. Gottlieb said that the findings indicated that the fda's protections for animal research subjects quote may need to be strengthened in some important areas for that reason. He announced the launching of an independent third party. Investigation of all of the fda's animal research into the creation of a new animal. Welfare council to oversee those studies going forward. Additionally gottlieb said that the fda would strengthen its commitment to replacing reducing and or refining animal studies with new methods said that animals should be used studies. Only when there's no other way to do research that's important for public health. But even so he said it is important to recognize that there are still many areas where animal research is important and necessary in particular. He cited the use of primates as essential for the development of some critical vaccines for human children. The research involving monkeys and the response highlighted. What for many people is a discomforting reality. Despite computer simulations and other tools available to today's researchers laboratories still use large numbers of animals as experimental subjects an email. Fda spokesperson taraji. Rabins said that the agency currently is utilizing eight thousand one hundred and sixty seven creatures of various sorts in research. That includes seven thousand. Rodents two hundred seventy primates. One hundred nine fish thirty one lower morphs. An order that includes rabbits and hares. Twenty must That's animals such as ferrets and weasels. Twelve amphibians six cows and five goats.
Health Experts Warn US Is Nearing Fourth COVID-19 Surge
"Health experts warn. The United States is nearing 1/4 surge of the Corona virus. They say this possible to turn the trend around brick. Conway looks into what's causing the recent rise in cases and what it would take to prevent another search. New cases of coded 19 are on the rise again. Doctors. She's Jaha, Anthony Fauci and Scott Gottlieb caution that it's up to us to keep this rise from shifting to a search. Now variants are playing a part in the case count. This is basically what we were all saying was gonna happen around the second half of March. The variant, first identified in the UK is more contagious and now likely to become dominant, But it's not the only reason behind the rise. What will likely Seeing is because of things like spring break and pulling back on the mitigation methods that you've seen now. Several states have done that. A lot of the spread is happening among younger people in the 19 but also 20 to 29. That's the group that is moving around, you know, kind of relax and getting infected, Experts say it's not time to relax yet. We need to hold onto our masks, avoid crowds and hold off on travel until we can get more people vaccinated, especially in areas with rising case counts. I think what we need to do is try to continue to vaccinate surge vaccine into those parts of the country. So the incremental vaccine that's coming onto the market. I think the body administration can allocated to parts of the country that look hot right now. Then it comes down to patients. We're weeks away from a point where we could begin to do these things a bit more safely. But if we could just get two or three more weeks of around three million vaccines that day that Gonna be a pretty big backstop against a true fourth Serge I'm Brett Conway
Gottlieb warns New York virus variant could be fueling new outbreaks
"Face the Nation. Former FDA commissioner Dr Scott Gottlieb says he's concerned about a new variant of the virus, which has now been found in New York City. You're seeing a lot of infection surging and pockets of New York City. What we don't understand with 15 26 is whether or not people of being re infected with it, and whether or not people who might have been vaccinated are now getting infected with it. Reporting from Tel
Scott Gottlieb: The “tables have turned” on Europe’s pandemic versus the Unites States
"Scott gottlieb on face the nation yesterday. Italy is looking at lockdown over over easter. Because of what they're seeing should we anticipate that's what's going to happen here through this whole pandemic we've been about maybe three or four weeks behind europe so we've used europe as a barometer of what's going to happen. The united states. I think the tables have turned. And i think we're ahead of your because we're vaccinating so much. More aggressively eastern. Europe was very bad right now. It looks bad but i think the uk is. The us is in a much different situation through a combination fact that we have a lot of prior infections. There's immunity in the population from prior infection. We've now vaccinate. Twenty five percent of adults where vaccinating probably about one point five to two million new people a day we vaccinated about sixty five percent of those age. Sixty five about seventy five percent almost seventy five percent this week. Above above the age of seventy five and we're seeing the benefits that six percent reduction in nursing homes. We've had very penetration with the vaccine. So i think we're in a different situation than europe because of the vaccine induced immunity that getting into the
Latest Stimulus Package Could Jolt U.S. Growth, Revive Inflation in 2021
"First. Up today on the podcast. The markets and understanding is certain. Divide the anticipated one point. Nine trillion dollar stimulus package set for house passage today and recent rise in bond yields due to expectation of inflation higher. Prices have worked together to create something of a market split in the last few days as investors favour stocks tied to a recovering economy think industrials construction over the tech stocks that shine during the pandemic. Think all the stuff that powered are stay at home lives. Yesterday though technology growth stocks ward back and tech heavy nasdaq rose three point seven percent. Its best day since november it actually fallen into correction territory just the day prior that means a drop of or more. Recent highs
Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine deemed "safe and effective" by the FDA
"And johnson. It's been shown that they're vaccine is effective at preventing hospitalizations and severe effects of covid. Nineteen this from scientists at the fda we're seeing about. I think it's sixty six percent effective when it comes to moderate to severe cases of covid nineteen so matthew. Tell a little bit more about what we're hearing with. His johnson and johnson vaccine right so what happened. Is that johnson. Johnson released data about a month ago. You know press release but the process for evaluating these vaccines is that they go through the fda and the fda really unique in the world independently looks at the data and re analyzes the data that the company produces and its own report and then hold a public meeting which will be happening friday and so the documents before the public meeting came out and they had some good news both some really clear data on hospitalizations and a general sense of approval from the fda researchers. Sometimes they're not as positive so it looks like this may be another option now. The big plus is on. This is one. It's a one shot dose. So you don't have to go back for a second jab in the arm and also doesn't need to be kept frozen like the pfizer derna vaccines do so shipping and handling of all of this will be a lot easier much easier to transport and that's a big advantage. It does not look like we're gonna have a huge amount of supply the start off with so it doesn't dramatically change how fast we're going to be any shots into people's arms but for a lot of people i think in a lot of experts i talked. You think this'll be a great option. It's one and done. I think some of the numbers. I saw the might have about four. That are produced right now. Ready to send out so it gets approved. They can get those out really quick but it wouldn't be until april possibly where they can really ramp up production to start distributing that right and will also be getting over that where they're hundreds of millions of doses of the two vaccines have the madonna and fayza biontech vaccines. That are expected to arrive in the us by july. So there's gonna be a lot more vaccine available. The jj supply will ramp up and we'll be getting more of those other two vaccines that leaves. There's a vaccine coming from nova vacs. We don't really know about how much will getting the early results issued press. Release again good and we're waiting for. Us results on the astra zeneca vaccine. Now some good news. With his johnson and johnson one is its effectiveness against these variants. That we've been hearing a lot about so it fared better than expected when it comes to those. I the way to interpret. That is we'd seen some results and the new results that they showed today look a bit better than what we'd seen in terms of variants. There's still does seem to be decreased. Efficacy against the south africa variant. Three five. Which is really the one that we're all worried about but it did look better than what we've seen previously and what j. j. has said it seems like with those variants. This vaccine is still preventing severe disease and hospitalization. Which are the key things. We've always wanted from vaccine here. The idea that you'd prevent a symptomatic infection or mild cases kind of bonus compared to just making sure that people end up in the hospital hospitalizations numbers were good on that front. What did we see when it comes to side effects. I saw that there were a few unexpected side effects. Although these are very rare you know but The expecting side effects the kind of pain in the arm the headache fatigue. That's pretty much in line with the other two vaccines. We have that right now. There were some rare events that occurred more often in the vaccine in the placebo group. Keeping in mind that forty thousand people were in this trial. There were fifteen serious blood clots including some. Dvd's in that exciting compared to ten in the placebo group. That's something the fda plans to monitor there was also some rini ears in the vaccine group and not in the placebo group. So that's kind of an odd one that will wanna watch again. This is really a prelude to friday win. Some of the top experts in the world are going to gather on zoom call and go over these data that the fda assembled we'll be live blogging that stat. That's when we really find out a lot about any medical product. It's it's one of the amazing things. The fda does now an interesting thing in all of this so public health officials might have a messaging problem when it comes to pumping the johnson and johnson. One out when we're seeing guys like pfizer maderna's say that their vaccine is ninety five percent effective against corona virus. Just listening to numbers right. This says sixty six percent. So what are they going to have a challenge in getting people to want to take this one over the other or you know how how to work out. It's really important to realize that particularly between those three vaccines. The getting vaccine is much better than not getting a vaccine. The change vaccine may be on par after a second dose and that study is being done but unlike visor during the second dose is going to be months after the first and then also slows down the study. She gotta wait right for people to get their second dose. So we're not expecting those data until kinda summerish but the big thing is for a lot of people. There was also the appeal of a single dose here. And i don't think we should understate that. And the effect on severe disease is big so the problem is gonna be the in the initial rollout. You really want people to take whatever vaccine. They're giving because being vaccinated is so much better than not being vaccinated. And that is part of the path to get in the world back to normal and public health. Authorities are absolutely going to have to articulate that now again because there's not going to be that much supply of this initially. They're going to have time for a learning curve right now. the demand for vaccines clearly outstrips supply. That's why you're hearing so many stories of people desperately logging on trying to get vaccine. What scott gottlieb used to run. The fda has raised the issue of you know. We're we're going to reach a point where the people who wanna get vaccinated we'll have been vaccinated and we're still going to need to vaccinate more people and that's when convincing people who are less sure to take vaccine in to take the vaccine that's available is going to become more of an issue last question briefly pfizer moderna vaccines are based on 'em a. What kind of platform is the johnson and johnson. When using this like theatrics annika vaccine is called an ad no virus which is a kind of virus that is used to the same kind of ideas marin a the instead of traditional vaccines were you inject the protein that your immune system sees and then learn to recognize an attack. These sneak something into your body that makes a lot of proteins. You make a lot more protein and then the body recognizes that an attack it in this case they're using this virus which is kind of a cold virus to sneak some genetic material in and that makes the spike protein from the sars virus which your body then learns to recognize and thereby has antibodies that attack the virus
Gottlieb says vaccines should offer "reasonable protection" against coronavirus variants
"Cases begin to decline across the country, but a troubling number in Georgia. Double the SPS Bill carpaccio reports live on efforts to get the pandemic under control. Yeah, yeah, The nearly 180 new coronavirus deaths recorded in Georgia on Saturday is a new single day record. Race is on to get more people vaccinated. We have to get those vaccines into many, many more people before we see the decline. CBS NEWS Medical expert Dr David Vegas worries about new strains of significant concern. Over these new variants, former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb tells CBS's face the nation. He is encouraged by the vaccines. I do think that the existing vaccines are gonna offer reasonable protection against these new variants. Dr. Walter Orenstein with Emory University's Hospital of Vaccine Center tells Channel two action news People should trust vaccines are safe. Warp speed, which initially sounded like a great name has given people thoughts. Corners have been cut. Despite the variants, he says, the vaccines are more effective than no vaccine it all drug companies are already working on booster shots, which could be available by this fall.
Biden Planning Ten Day Blitz Of Executive Actions
"In washington it is also a very very big week. President-elect biden scheduled to be sworn in as president at noontime tomorrow chief-of-staff ron claim saying the biden is planning a ten day blitz of executive actions. And for that. I'm gonna go over to joe. Who i think's going to go to washington. Yes to lon moy is going to. I don't know if she's got every executive action she's ready to go into but she's going to have the latest on the inauguration and everything surrounding The inauguration the biden teen plan for a ten day blitz. So we got that going for us. I i whatever. I'm ready for it long. That's what presidents do but i've got a little trepidation with some of it but elections have consequences. It's coming keystone. That's going away at not taking. I think that over the next over the next few days we're going to see is just a real sort of divide and juxtaposition between some of the pomp and circumstance and then some of the policy so obviously the inaugural ceremony is gonna be dramatically scaled back today. We're going to see biden and leave delaware. Make his way down to dc the not by amtrak. Because of the heightened security measures. Tonight he will be at the lincoln memorial for ceremony honoring those who have lost their lives. Tacoma nineteen but in the midst of this pandemic. there's a real desire in the administration to be seen is hitting the ground running and it's one of the reasons why we're going to see five of biden's talk nominees. Have their senate confirmation hearings today. That includes janet yellen for treasury secretary along with his director of national intelligence homeland. Security secretary of state and defense secretary. I got an early copy of yellen opening statement and she does plan to make a forceful for that one point nine billion dollar covert rescue package. That was outlined last week. She says without further action we risk a longer and more painful recession now and long term scarring of the economy later. She also says that with great at historic lows. The smartest thing we can do now is to act big now. As for that flurry of executive orders abiding planning within his first few days many of them will reverse the decisions made by president trump. The latest example came just last night on restricting travel from europe and from brazil the trump administration had said plan to lift those restrictions on january. Twenty six though visitors would still have to provide a negative cova test biden spokesperson immediately. Push back on that saying that the new administration would not lift the ban and instead she tweeted with the pandemic worsening the more contagious variants emerging around the world. This is not the time to be lifting restrictions on international travel by is also planning other executive action on immigration the keystone pipeline. The paris climate accord the world health organization. So the goal of the biden administration is to show here that they're the ones who were serious about
Biden "convinced" 100 million can be vaccinated in 100 days
"Increasing. Vaccine supply tops. President elect joe biden's ambitious plan to fight tova san brock now with the reality check on how his plan could work and how quickly operating with the mindset. There's not a second despair. President president-elect biden is aiming for one hundred million vaccinated in one hundred days. Let me be clear. I'm convinced we can get it done. His plan includes using the defense production. Act to churn out. Supply pushing states to vaccinate more groups leveraging fema in the national guard to build sites and reaching marginalized communities. Let's start with a supply. How quickly the defense act. Create more doses. Dr scott gottlieb is the former. Fda commissioner currently sits on the board of pfizer. I think anything we do now to try to increase. The supply probably is going to take weeks to a couple of months to to have some kind of impact. The answer to that question directly influences the next part of the plan pushing states to reach a larger swath of people. I mean the biden plan is a breath of fresh air. Dr marcus. Pleasure represents state and local health departments and is optimistic but also realistic. It could take weeks to get production. Discuss real people over sixty five people with medical conditions. The poorest people who are essential frontline workers. All those people need to get the vaccine as soon as possible. We can't give back same doses that we don't have and when it comes to reaching disadvantaged in often minority communities the biden plan includes more sites an educational campaign plush points out the issue of trust must be addressed. We got to be attentive to that. What stays and locals can do is work with those communities. They have trusted relationships with organizations like base communities where they can go and really try to help build people's confidence and really address some of the vaccine. Hesitancy that we're already starting to see and the national guard and fema will federal muscle to add new locations for vaccination is try to expand the existing sites initially and we could see the result of that pretty quickly getting new sites up and running. That could be a matter of weeks. Joins us from miami sound. The biden administration wants to distribute vaccine through many different channels lakota. The president-elect wants vaccines in pharmacies. Big box stores grocery stores. But right now this part behind me and miami has paused distribution for next week because they don't have enough doses a game changer. And all this could be the approval of another vaccine like johnson and johnson potentially in the coming
Nursing homes should see 'some indication' of vaccines having an effect 'as early as this week,' Gottlieb says
"Most people won't get a vaccine for the coronavirus for many months, but former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb tell CBS that targeting elderly people in long term care facilities as Florida has done could show benefits much sooner. We will start to see some indication that the vaccines are probably having an effect, maybe as early as this week because we know that immunity does start to kick in. Maybe a week after vaccination, they went into the skilled nursing facilities. First, health experts projected for things to return to normal 70 to 85% of people would need to get it back.
"scott gottlieb" Discussed on Newsradio 600 KOGO
"Hey, Good morning. Gusty CNN wins will elevate the fire danger through tomorrow with a red flag warning in effect. Easterly gusts of 30 to 60 MPH of possible the coast in the mid sixties to low seventies in the valleys in the low to mid seventies with San Diego's most accurate forecast and maybe see 10 news meteorologist Meghan Perry right now downtown San Diego. It is 50 still a little hazy and the carny Mesa area 49 degrees Tula Vista. It is 45 scripts here, lawyer It is 51. Most of the fog appears to have dispersed. Most of it. Coco to use time. 8 32 sources are telling Fox News that the president's expected to veto the National Defense Authorization Act today that will force the House and Senate to reconvene immediately following Christmas so they can try to override the veto It $740 billion of package that the president says he'll veto after Congress admitted language Gives legal protection for technology companies from content produced by users of social media. White House Deputy press Secretary Brian Morgenstern was asked about the veto threat. He intends to veto it, and it's for a variety of reasons. It's section 2 30. Very important Chinese propaganda is all over the Internet, and there doesn't seem to be an effort to identify that, or flag it or censor it. But there are censorship efforts. Towards Americans, including the president. The president also wants language in the bill Remove that would call for changing the names of bases that are currently named after Confederate military members, a mutated version of the coronavirus raising alarms in the UK and may already be here. Former FDA chief Scott Gottlieb spoke on CNBC Monday and was asked of a travel ban could stop the new strain from spreading got leaves said. I think this is already in the U. S. And predicted an epidemic that builds over the next 3 to 4 weeks, followed by a decline in infection rates as vaccinations rollout. It's thought to be up to 70% more infectious than the original coronavirus. I'm Mark Mayfield. We'll go in two years. Time is 8 34 and the Via San Diego health care system got the first doses of the Madonna vaccine Tuesday to get everyone working or living in nursing care facilities vaccinated and people in the spinal cord injury unit is well, Dr Robert Smith told our reporting partner 10 News. The San Diego V A is using the vaccine as soon as it gets him on the rest of San Diego or seeing a huge increase in the number of Kobe patients Right now that's really straining resource is so we need to make sure their staff can stay well. So they can provide that, Karen Smith said. They're starting with giving out 300 doses a day and hope to be able to give up to 600 a day. Eventually, he advised veterans in the community not to reach out to the V. A. He says the VA's pride prioritizing some veterans and will be contacting the veterans who are eligible restaurants in San Diego say they're concerned. If the current three week stay at home order is extended for too long. It could mean restaurants are going out of business in an interview with talking of seven sixties Mark Larsen, Chuck Ross, who wants it yesterday, Raya's in Old Town, says restaurant Operators have been forced to decide whether to stay open for take out only and lose money or just shut down until things improve. We're just trying to get to the end of this and we do see the light at the end of the tunnel, But there is going to be more pain quite a bit of pain, actually, for a lot of the restaurants in San Diego between now and the time that the vaccine is is in throughout the community, Ross says. It's very difficult for restaurants to operate with the on again off again. Nature of the stay at home Orders Club Albert Koga news new details in the death of a 68 year old Carlsbad Road. Seventh Edna of a 17 year old found on her, and there is surveillance video of him running away from the murder scene in a time frame that is consistent with the time of death. Lisa Thornburg was killed in November on Hospital of Trail and prosecutors revealing it could be teenager hello of a debt who was on a missing persons list in Hawaii for running away from school earlier this year. On top of the video and DNI detectives also found flip flops at the crime scene, they believed to be bad debts. Team's defense attorneys saying Thornburg could have picked up his DNA's after finding the sandals. You don't know they just didn't ever picked up those flip flops Do you know? So they did, seated could've picked up that pair of flip flops broke. His grandmother told the judge. That cadet has no history of violence. The judge decided that the case can move forward and the next hearing is scheduled for January. 25th. The teen is ordered to remain in custody for the time being. Zachary Barnes. KOGO news Visitors flocking to the Big Island to see Kill away a erupting close sleep up close. There you go. Many owners of nearby lodging destination say they're booked up close to it. Less than two days after the lava started flowing theory up, Shin is not posing an immediate threat to the public, which is translated into an immediate boost in business as people want to watch it from a safe distance. Hawaii volcanoes. National Park officials said they've seen several 1000 visitors since Sunday. Big Island Mayor Mitch Roth reminding Spectators be mindful of the pandemic to of kill away is called terrorist. Three events are still pumping out lava. According to the U. S. Geological Survey, two billion gallons of lava has been released. Since Sunday night. A local doctor is weighing in on the progress that's being made on creating vaccines. We have that story on the way we have your real time traffic and your updated weather in three minutes. This is San Diego's Morning news on this Christmas Eve Eve. You're going to use time. 8 37 Happy Holiday organic lox for me. Happy holidays from your breaking news station news radio 600.