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A New Cause of ADHD [60 Sec Psych]
"Today on 62nd psych a new cars of ADHD chemicals from Plastics pesticides and food processing page been linked to ADHD according to a new paper in Jama open network Jessica Schofield colleagues in Boston correlated ADHD symptoms with exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals in his cross-sectional study of 205 adolescents. They KO related levels of these chemicals found in urine with symptoms of ADHD that were rated by the teenagers their parents and teachers. They looked at a handful of endocrine-disrupting chemicals including day lates parabens phenols and triclocarban. These chemicals are found in packaging equipment Plastics Cosmetics fragrances insecticides pesticides food processing some Pharmaceutical. Products like medications even and Plastics they found a positive association between ADHD symptoms and chemical exposure in the urine but associations can't prove causation. They then adjusted for potential co-founders like fragrance used diet and substance-use, but the association's remained the biggest risk was with anti-androgenic. They laid concentrations, every two fold increase in this chemical was linked to a 34% increase in the risk of ADHD symptoms off next where the dichlorophenol for these the risk of ADHD symptoms went up 15% with every two fold increase in concentration. This is not the first study to identify this link, but it is the first and Adolescence previous studies which had a similar design they were associational connected ADHD with prenatal or childhood exposure to the wage. Endocrine-disrupting chemicals endocrine-disrupting chemicals are also linked to other health problems, like early puberty reproductive problems cancer and respiratory illness. So how do you avoid these chemicals the worst the ones that disrupt androgens are found in pesticides insecticides Plastics Cosmetics perfumes and nail varnish the next worse the diet for a phenols are also found in pesticides and insecticides and they're also in chlorinated water which is some of our tap water as well as swimming pools where it's used to kill off bacteria potential solutions to this risk include purifying your tap water before drinking it washing produce to get rid of pesticides and track insecticides. Like they're just as likely to harm us as they are to harm the insects and don't microwave in plastic.
Ceiling On The 2020 Cowboys | Mark Schofield | Cowboys Beat with Ari Temkin and Patrick Conn
"Today is Friday October 16th. This is Cowboys beat clns. Median. I'm already temkin. We joined by my co-host Patrick on here momentarily. We're also going to be joined today by quarterback Guru when I good friends Mark Schofield from USA Today in touch down wire great insights in the quarterback position to what the Cowboys are now staring down without Dak Prescott in the reality of the Andy Dalton situation Mark Schofield join the podcast and we've got a lot with you today. Obviously as we are reacting to the deck Prescott injury and then projecting out. What is the season now look like and and what are the expectations how much have they changed and shifted and what is the future of the quarterback position? I'll look like for the Dallas Cowboys. There's obviously a lot of questions left be answered when it comes to the Cowboys moving forward. 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Out of win so it's like it's like I want to be exciting cuz they have two wins in their first in the division. But then I look at the two teams. They beat or combined Dylan penso. It's hard for me to be too excited. So yes, but also like I think we've learned after five games. This team is a isn't good. If this team is a has a bad defense a worse issue with turning the football over and a pretty good offense pretty explicit buffets. Like that's if you took a bad defense and you turned the ball over too much or - 8 in the turnover differential like you're going to be that you're going to be two and three at only be teams that are winless and even like the Giants games a great example because on the post game show. You've got people calling in and they're like, they gave Thirty Four Points to a bad Giants teams. Like they did Dak Prescott had a pick-six an adult had fumbled the football on a snap inside the Giants Red Zone. They get up to 100 points to the Giants. They all right. I had this argument with somebody. Okay? Okay. So you're going to say they didn't give up 34 points to give up 27 because of the pick-six rep twenty-twenty because the adults had fiber was inside the Giants RedZone also, so that's like your sports reports even gave it up right? There was like a yards. Okay. Okay, do you say That the offense called 37 points in the scheme because they didn't because the defense scored seven seven. Nobody makes that argument but it's like they they they want to defend this defense because a the office is turned the ball over 11 times this year. They've only created three right? It's it's a conversation filled with fifty-nine. They're being outscored after Trevor's fifteen thousand and two ten. Yeah. No, it's bad. Don't get me wrong. It is terrible to 10 is the I get your point. Your point is well stated and it's a good point in this game, especially if she did actually one creditor over and actually score up that turnover which is like that's that happens once every four years. That's like a presidential election for the Cowboys, right? Here's the Let me go. Oh that's good. So my problem here at this team and I don't want to poo poo desime after a win, right but let's be realistic. This is a bad wage. Yeah. This is a bad football team. I just lost their Star Quarterback the guy that they expected to carry this team. And now you're going through the Andy Dalton, where's the gameplay completely changes? You know, they've got to rely on more and throwing the ball down the field from the pocket, you know, they don't have Dax ability to get outside. So they need better pass protection and kind of start running the ball more often. Here's the thing. The defense has got to do something for them. Okay, obviously the office got a quick turnover the ball, especially the red but the deepest got to give them some so they can run the that that's the big thing. I mean people are like, well they got along better while I agree. They haven't really had a chance to totally no, you're right. I okay. So let's start there then because like, where are you on this thing out for the 2020 season for the Cowboys are you part of like just tank and I don't care about watching this team the rest of the season or the success that they have or you like wait and see like let's let's see what this thing looks like, you know, I'm at the point, you know, and it's funny that you brought that up because I I so I tweeted out a pole on my Twitter account. Yes. I saw this, this is awesome 31.2% off. People who responded to this poll were on team tank. I don't know. It was like how how many people was it? It was like, yep. So so looking at it. I'm not a team tank that. You know, I'm I'm sorry, Jeff Cavanaugh not with you on teen tank. But because I look at it this way type is bad as this team is I don't think they're bad enough to get no internet top five. I mean not going to Out Tank a New York Jets football team. They're not going to have take some of those other teams like a Cincinnati Bengals who I think knows better, but they're not giving their quarterback NFL but so I'm on the on the side of let's let's see what happens. You know, you get a Randy Gregory back next week, you know late Vander. I should probably probably this week. Yeah interesting back, you know, it's interesting cuz you look at the same. There's two or three. Yes, that's bad, but they're in first place. But if you look at their reserved injured list, they can make a starting lineups from those guys wage. That's how bad it's been freaked out. Yeah. I just both tackles and you're starting quarterback and they're all all pro level guys. Yes, and then I mean, hopefully you get your dog a bath obviously Anthony Brown. He showed his his ability. I mean, he's worried that one touchdown. I mean look at some of the Cameron Erving comes back to help you out a little bit at one of your tackle spots, you know, so I I think when they get him back that helps a lot, you know, but the the things that I want people to kind of relax on is is what people were saying. Well the defense looked a lot better than this week. Okay, you gave up 34 points to a team that the scores a log 28.39 going into this. I'm not excited about that. Yeah, the defense look a little bit better generally looked a little bit but they didn't look a lot better than this game quiet. I just want to tap the brakes a little bit because this is a bad football team. Now if you can come out and they give you that kind of effort to get there as Zona we start talking because there is always a high-powered offense. yeah, no, and by the way, I totally agree with you like it's just I just don't think it's a great way to live as a fan where it's like, okay, it's early October. Let's give up on the season already. Like I just I get the idea of either you win a championship or you know, go for the highest peak, but it's it's it's like I just don't want to live in that world as a fan like I don't want to have to in October like be like the Giants like well my seasons over let's start looking at a draft picks. Like I just and I also think to your point like this teams too. Good in the league is too bad. Like there are three three winless tears five weeks in three know about right Atlanta to New York, New York. I think that's it. But like that's that's funny to see both New York's and I couldn't I couldn't to call down with Adam gase Truman Show like, yeah. So so yeah, we're on the topic of that. I think there's more to life or I think it's it's the wrong mentality to go in a season with championship or highest draft pick you can get I think that's the wrong mentality because obviously yep. First year under Mike McCarthy, you've got to establish and things in the season he needs to see where this team that he needs to see the progression. So he knows where to address this team come the offseason. I think we all should know middle of the defense just straight up the middle of the totally that's a big thing offensively maybe figure out left left tackle left or right tackle loss. They need to figure out, number government. They need to figure out who's center-right Connor who Connor McGovern I played one snap. But like I figure out him they gotta figure Connor Williams is Connor Williams better left Gardens. You better as your swing Tech. I think people are a little harsh on counter Williams, but I mean, I think he does a great job, but I wonder if he would be better served playing right tackle. So, okay, so Can this team win the division? Should this team should this team win the division? Could that yes should yes, I'm using this division. This term is an adult in the best quarterback in this division. You know, no no, I don't think so. I think he's he's in Carson Wentz at the best. I still I believe in Carson Wentz and I know that's probably not the right thing to say on a tablet has been podcast but I don't think he's a really good player and against Pittsburgh. He looks really good. I mean, he still has you still has issues. He's still Running Scared in the pocket, you know, you know, I'm getting out, you know, that's one of the things he bails on a clean pocket sometimes, you know, he's you know, he's still got that deer-in-the-headlights. Looks like I still think he's a capable quarterback do I think he's capable of taking very far know because I feel like I've always felt he's a good quarterback with injuries. Yeah. No, I think you're right. At least until we see any adult play, you know? Okay, so we agree they could probably win the division. They probably should win the division and they probably still have 1/2 best quarterback in this division, which is crazy. How what's their ceiling? Is there ceiling less than what it was with does this team still have Championship aspirations. Did it ever have Championship aspirations home? I mean, I think the aspirations are always there was this how realistic was it? And I still think that with deck. Yes, and even with with Dalton and I'm not saying that Dalton is anywhere near the quarterback that that attack is but here's the thing Dalton was good in Cincinnati. And he's in a situation here in Dallas where he's got better weapons and he's ever had in his career. That's not the crap on it AJ Green. That's not the crap on a Joe Mixon it running with the fact is equally he's got the best Trio of wide receivers in the league Michael Gallup one of the best deep-ball receivers in the leave. I mean we saw how good is he? Holy cow. I mean, you said you saw with him and and I you know, I know in in with Gallup, the one thing I need him to work on is I need them to get further inside when you're running those cuz he's not getting this quarterback any room for error on those throws, but you know, but but outside of that, I mean CB lamb that shot. He took catching the ball over the middle of the middle. Yeah, you know, I mean, I thought that Pat that captured one by Mari when they set up the long-throw to Michael Gallup, so I mean, he's got weapons all over the place. So I feel like he's still he's still capable of it and given this division wage. I don't see any reason to lower my expectations that much just because Dax out even though I do think it is a downgrade going to end. Well, yeah, I I agree with you. I think it's like let's just see, you know, like let's just see what this team looks like. Let's see how you know, they have a week in a day, you know, get the extra time to get ready for this game. Like let's see how much different they look wage. And because I do think you know, it's like you change some things schematically in all of a sudden you've changed a lot of things about the team, you know, and so I'm just of the approach where it's like let's just wait and see what this thing looks like before we make these declarations about what this team can and cannot do you also have a quarterback and and adult and it's never won a playoff game. It's not like a great playoff games that has everything to prove. You know that capacity and before I hit the Mark Schofield who's going to give us a good break down a quarterback play and and I I'm excited to have Mark on The first round of the NFL draft or the Cowboys going 20-21. What's your number one priority in where is quarterback in that? Herb exercising in my top three really? I don't I don't think quarterbacks an issue. I think that's going to be back. I mean, I think you'll be back. Yeah, go ahead sir. I was just saying the joke all the time that you know, this team is probably if they win it they're going to go away from that. No, they're not. I don't think they will. You know, I think cooler heads will prevail and they they'll either they need that Prescott franchise tag long-term deal. I think you get stagnant. So so that's why I'm saying, I agree completely. I think that press got the starting quarterback of the Cowboys 20-21 on the franchise tag office, which means They probably should think about quarterback in the first round. They should here's here's to know where you're drafting. What quarterback can you get because if you're not drafting in the top ten am right in the deck Prescott, you can't expect to happen twice or Cowboys fans will because Romo is undrafted and and I mean, but you're right. It's just not a realistic wage your highest likelihood. Just go back to the draft history like most the starting quarterbacks in the NFL are first-round picks and most of them are first overall picks or top five picks. Yeah. It's it's the exception of I agree and trailing. I haven't done a huge Deep dive in the draft yet. And I'm this is part of the reason. I want to get Mark Schofield onto I think Trey Lance might be the best quarterback in this draft more so than Trevor but um, um, Those three Lance fields and Trevor are going to be gone at first five picks, or at least the topic Sam ehlinger. No. He's gotta be able to complete passes out a field right at some point at some point. 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I'll do the good news first the good news here for Cowboys packages that he still might like now, I'll be the best quarterback in the NFC East partly a reflection on how everybody else is played because Washington quarterback situation is a mess Django Jones doesn't seem to be quite have put it together yet and caution. Once while a good quarterback has struggled this year. I mean I've struggled around him Lane Johnson has hurt historically once has struggled without land Johnson in a life. And so almost by default you can make the argument that and you talked to might be the best quarterback in the division. Not a flip side of that is it's a bad division, which might mean that Andy Dalton could still get you to the playoffs and get you a dog. You titled ready in 30 is a drop-off Jack Prescott. I think that's an acceptable fact. You don't think anybody will push back on where Eddie Dalton is right now is he's a quarterback that he can still run most probably eighty-five to ninety percent of your offense with you. Just let it go enough that some of your plays that you have in there for Dad, press God to take advantage of his athleticism may have to check out of the Playbook there might be some more quarterback designs ones that you probably don't want to use just because now if you lose any. And you're really in trouble so you probably don't watch them too much dance you the vertical passing game you saw that on the throat of Gallup at the end of the game when you needed a play that was a tremendous reading program and adult and they showed him to High coverage. They spotted two age Hai. He saw the signal coverage of Galilee through a great deep-ball so you could still run the bulk of your Elf and she had made so it's not a full-on panic situation. I think if you're doubtless because of all of the song How did circumstances regarding this division right now? You can still run your offense and Main competitor with Andy Dalton. Is he a downgrade of Dak Prescott? Absolutely, can you still with with with with them? Sure? It's talking about Andy Dalton and and we also know of his problems back to Cincinnati, especially in the playoffs. I think that might have been somewhat of a challenge who don't get me wrong a degree. In fact, that's what everybody is is the most talented team that handles that part of an argument that the Cowboys have perhaps new best three wide receivers set in football, you know between Amari Cooper Michael Gallup see who has been as advertised. And so yes, like you said engine green is a tremendous wide receiver and he certainly was at that time because your emotions I had some of the other guys around too good not great. Most Cowboys wide receiver Trail is great like talked about an X Y and Z and then you do Ellie in the backfield. This is still a very talented office. There are offensive line issues and injuries to figure out what the Vantage Elton has shown is that if there's Talent around him he can be successful. And so I do think that this is a good group of players around him that can carry and pick up some of the slack with that downgrade from wage. To Dolton with Mark Schofield here Mark, if you let's say you're Jerry Jones. What are you doing with Dax contract this offseason? Well, I mean I was told about what they should have paid him, you know in a relationship Ajax situation because Jack Prescott is a good enough quarterback that you do not want to let him go. You know, I know we talked about 82 Altima need to talk to a sort of a poster child the quarterback Purgatory where you put enough to keep, you know his put it off that you don't want to let him leave but he's not great and going to get you to the next level get you weighed not worth a couple of wins every year exactly. I think that gets and I will you know, I am in the deck Camp here and I think you know given what we have seen four people coming back from injuries isn't a situation where I think your plans change long-term with Dak Prescott, because of this injury, you know, I think you still look at him and say look, this is our franchise quarterback. This is a guy we can win because of not just went with and so I think you know, you're still paying this player. You're still paying this call log. I wonder what this injury I think it should have gotten deal done before hand. I think that nothing changes now with this injury you feel comfortable giving him forty million a year. I would walk. I absolutely would now, you know part of the circumstances here and I'll have to give credit to Kansas City paper City. Got out some of the bombs deal first, you know, they're sort of set the market I think song. Yeah, like Bob's Jerry Jones. I was in working harder to get the death deal done rolling at my home. She was coming known that walks and was coming cuz now that are sort of resets the market especially within that framework of what month is that were watching got forty million for Jack. Yeah. I'm okay with that because she can give you a winner to a year where other quarterbacks can't and in the NFL a sixteen Game season seemed to be Seventeen that's worth what you are paying. The the one big thing that has been kind of talked about a lot this year was especially early on 11 turnovers in five games is Andy dead. The quarterback that can help you in that or is he a guy that's more susceptible to more turnovers at quarterback. I mean, there's a good or bad here with Alton because he's good enough money to not make glaring mistakes, but you will see moments particularly when he fishes pressure in the pocket where the decision-making does dip a little bit and he does either make a poor decision what he's pressure off or make inaccurate throws one pressured. So that's something to watch that gets back to the offensive line woes the Dallas have suffered this year. But if you get sorted out and she can get kept clean that goes away also off what year in Cincinnati when he was and you're seeing a double-team on AJ Green even gets pressured. Now you're forcing throws you to coverage sometimes that works against you you're not going to see situations like that as often like we talked about early if that were the talent that they have if you want to double one of those guys go ahead go for it. We're going to leave somebody else pretty wide open. So that's the that's why you see a lot of dead. I looks against Dallas right now cuz you have to keep that dedicated safety over the top which does truth it puts up the stuff underneath that it keeps the Box light for a simple Elliot. And so that the talent of those three wide receivers boss has a Cascade down effect on the rest of this offense at the other thing is now it's on a situation where you've got like Brett Rypien starting games for you when you're comfortable as a defensive coordinator stack in the box with the internet guys about tearing them to throw if you do that again, you leave it single coverage and Andy Dalton is good enough to make you pay in those situations. So it's never too early to talk draft with you which is fantastic. I see the quarterback position. Am I crazy to think the trade Lance is better than Trevor Lawrence. I would am I crazy to think I'd take Trail at the number one overall pick over Trevor Lawrence Patrick saying, yes, I like Trail and it's a lot but I I just think that there's consideration for a couple of different franchises to go Trail and over Justin Fields. I would grant that I can't go Trail and silver triple moment. I just dead. I think Lawrence is as complete a quarterback as we've seen in a while to the point where I just sort of Mount love and recently this summer over evaluated Trevor Lawrence and we talked about school outfits for him and we had basically every offense you can take up to the point where Matt said he could drop him in Baltimore and he could be just as effective as not Lamar Jackson cuz of how athletic years that's how good Trevor Lawrence is walk ins what number one unless is it seems that it's dead set on who they have a quarterback and I think if you're picking number one, you're not you have to consider Trevor Morin's so off diets Jets. You're still taking Trevor Lawrence. Did you have to I think you do too especially especially when the Jets? Yeah, I think Joe Joe Dave gettleman probably get a job after year. And I don't think they'd give up of Daniel Jones. But the Jets you're looking at a new head coach. You might want his quarterback. You've seen now Daniel Jones enough. I mean shoot a dog. I'm child enough to think well, either you like them or you don't and if you're a new coach coming in and you want your guy you're not sold on that same Donald and you're picking number one. You're drafted trouble. Yep, I agree with that a hundred percent, especially if like a situation where headed Atlanta if they get the number one pick, we're going to have a new coach coming in when they started you had quit. I made it just for Dabo Swinney. I mean, I don't think Davao goes out of the double makes the leap. But if you're glad that you have the number one over bump overall pick you go to Clemson you lived out in the eye and say you could have Trevor Lawrence to build around for like ten years. You know what this kid can do the castle is yours. Would that be enough to leave Clemson in the counseling field? They're probably not but maybe I think it's worth exploring if you're out there black how many first rounds are there at quarterback this year? I said I think easily three maintenance or contrast my trusty he's been impressive so far. That's probably the for safe ones to somebody sneaking off but I think those are the four stages that's in here right now and it's tough to know because so many guys emerge you don't have the fact over the Big Ten playing yet. And so it's like every year we see guys emerge say this is Matt Jones has made some nice throws for Alabama and he's somebody that I haven't really delve into his film yet. But every Saturday afternoon, I have been a fan since GM saying look, you gotta watch this channel when it's up sent to me via d m like look at this throw. So there's something there and you know, obviously that offense off itself to what we're seeing at the NFL the next level right now. So bad jokes might sneak in there are some others too, but I think I'll trash is probably the guy that's next in that conversation. Now, I'm going to be looking for my next Patrick Mahomes. The 21 come home and back in the day like you gotta watch us get up telling you this trick is slated. So, you know obviously have checked the packages Palace all over my whole life. What most people do we was the end the Bears Pat warranty given the Bears do you have in the Bears still to this day get that you're allowed yet. I mean Nick Foles they maybe we'll get this year, but they still got to figure out quarterback mon. I'm not convinced Falls as any better than Mitchell trubisky. I'm not either he's just so high voltage that you know, some weeks will do what he did against Eva base and make sure do what he did against, you know, Indianapolis and so better than you know, traditionally, maybe maybe it is it is but the lowest probably aren't yeah Sid Luckman eight walking through that door, you know. And right now it wasn't like but man was the greatest quarterback in you know, NFL Mark Schofield follow him on Twitter. He does fantastic work at Mark Schofield, of course, Chicago work touchdown wire and NFL wire Mark. Appreciate your time buddy be well. Thank you. Always got you too, buddy. All right. Thank you to Mark Schofield. Thanks, of course to migrate. Co-host Pat dead Con on Twitter at Pat Sports guy. I am already temkin and a reminder follow us on Twitter at r e Sports and at Cowboys Beats on Twitter. And of course you want to win. So that's awesome Miller Lite carbs gear that I have to give away. Go subscribe to the page YouTube. 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"The. Welcome to five minutes in churches. Three hosted by Dr Stephen Nichols. Where we take a little break from the presence to go exploring the past travel back in time as we look the people of aunts and even the places for the shape. The story of Christianity. This is our story our family history. Let's get started. Walk them back to another episode of five minutes in church history. Once again this week, we are on location, and Lancaster, Pennsylvania. We are on the campus of Lancaster, theological seminary. And we are here to talk about Philip Schaaf. We are right outside the Philip Schaaf library, and this seminary was erected in eighteen ninety three which is the same year that Philip Schoff died. It was the theological seminary of the reformed church in by that meant the German reformed church and the library was named for Philip Schaaf. And we'll find out in a moment. Why Philip Shaw was born in eighteen nineteen and he died in eighteen ninety three his life much like John Williamson Nevin spanned the nineteenth century. He was born in Switzerland. He was educated in universities throughout Germany and by Germany's towering figures church history. Biblical studies and theology. And eighteen forty one he received his degree from the university of Berlin. And he taught there for a couple of years before he received a charge to go to America in eighteen forty three. He arrived in mercersburg Pennsylvania to serve at. What was then the only seminary serving the German reformed church in America as we look at shops career, we can see him as having sort of three roles to play the first was his role as a church Mun throughout much of his life. He gave his energy and efforts to hymnal, and he was the editor of the hymnal for the German reformed church. Also spent a great deal of time writing about and talking about the German reformed church liturgy along with John Williamson Evan he was an architect of what has come to be called, the mercersburg theology and was very significant theologian thinker architects behind the German reformed church. So his first role was as a churchman. He was also. Hello scholar. He taught at mercersburg for number of years. It was closed during the civil war. And at that time Shaath found himself in a variety of places in the ended up at union, theological seminary. And that was a post teaching their church Istorii variety of subjects and held up post until the time of his death. He was also a scholar and founding very important organization called the American society of churches, St. Philip Schoff founded that in eighteen eighty eight so he was a Turkmen he was a scholar, but he was also an author and editor. And so the final aspect of Schaaf's legacy that we need to talk about is legacy of books, and that's why it's so fitting to be sitting outside of the Philip Schaaf library. Well, one of the main works of Philip Shaath was his history of the Christian church. This wasn't eight volume work covering the history of the Christian church. He also served as an editor of a wonderful book called the creeds of Christendom. Actually, it's not a book. It's. Three volumes. This pools together, the Crees of the early church number of the medieval creeds rulings from the councils and some wonderful texts from the reformation and right on even in the post reformation era. Phillip Schofield editor compiler the creeds of Christendom classic of texts. He also was the editor of the anti nice fathers now that's anti as an A N T, meaning before not an TI meaning against so he was editor of the anti-seizure father is a significant work pulling together, the writings of the church fathers and his name is on the shelf. Hertzog encyclopedia of religious knowledge. It was originally the Herzog encyclopedia which was German work and Shaath was the editor translator of English addition. And this was a thirteen volume work that was a tour to force reference of all things of religious knowledge. So that is the church man, the scholar and the author and the editor well one of my favorite quote. Tsa Phillip Schofield from his eight volumes history and Christian church and Shaath said this. We find everywhere in this world, the traces of a revealed God and of a hidden God revealed enough to strengthen our faith concealed enough to try our faith. And that is from the writings the many many writings of Philip Shaw. And I'm Steve Nichols. Thanks for listening to five minutes in churches. For more information. Episodes please visit five minutes in church history dot com.
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Patriots-Chargers Week 12 Preview | Mark Schofield | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar
"Hey everybody. Welcome to the Patriots beat podcast powered by the seal Ms. Media podcast Network. I am Evan Lazar off and today. I am joined by Mark Schofield. Once again Mark. It's for the win now right there USA Today or USA Today touch. Wire. I found so many things over there. I forget sometimes myself. I am just forget where where you're writing cuz you always write it like 10 different places and I have to keep track and then I have you on the podcast and look like an idiot when I say the wrong one and this is perhaps routine. You can listen to all my podcast with Marc and it's the exact same thing me saying Mark, where is it again to a doctor now? It's it's better that all data and evidence of this for me when I sometimes like write something down like wait, who am I ready this for? Do I have to edit the intro that I just wrote Because I think I'm writing from one place and it's actually article for some place else. So well, the point is is that Mark is absolutely everywhere. I'm sure all of you off. Do you follow him on Twitter as well at Mark Schofield? And he does his quarterback breakdown videos, which I absolutely love and that's what we're going to talk with him mostly about today Mark and wage. I think this is where we need to start because it's where everybody is starting when we talk about the Patriots and where we're at with Cam Newton right now in terms of the Patriots quarterback of the here-and-now home and also maybe even looking Beyond here and now to the 2021 season even and here in New England you turn on Boston sports radio, and I'm not trying to pick on those guys, but there are definitely talking a lot about Jarrett Stidham and the possibility of benching Cam Newton for Jarrett Stidham. I think they're crazy. But that that's a topic for another day. Mostly I want to focus on what are your opinions right knee about how cam is playing and how he can obviously improve from objectively. What was a very bad game on Sunday against the Cardinals whether you're a chemist and or a cam hater. Yeah, and it wasn't dead. A game against Arizona and Arizona. First of all, I think you have to remember that Arizona's defense is a lot different than Houston's defense. It's a lot different than Seattle's defense back in week to that Houston game. That's you know game those were two games with Jim actually got the passing game going and you felt hey maybe they could put together a passing game that could actually be effective Arizona see on their athletic. They fly all over the place Isaiah Simmons budda Baker. Like they have guys that can play they have some different things and they certainly they were putting an egg nine guys in the box of times. I'm sure having you saw that as well. I know you have from some of the work you've done they were basically dare in New England like go ahead. S game by throwing the football and it looked like they couldn't, you know, they got a couple breaks at the end with a missed field-goal and Isaiah Simmons penalty then put them in position to win, but they didn't win that game because of the passing game, but you know, that often said, I think we all have to sort of take a step back and realize a couple of things one. You mentioned I studied quarterbacks. Each week at USA Today. I have to do what we call a QB camp where I put up five of my quarterback videos of the most notable quarterback performances. There are some weeks friends. It's hard to find five good quarterback package, which is league-wide It's just tough. This is one of those weeks like you might get Baker Mayfield than that because there's just not great quarterback players Patriots fans were spoiled from two decades of Tom Brady where we took the best at the quarterback position weekend and week out but then when you take a step back and you don't have that and you see guys like, you know, Derek Carr and his high variance play or Baker Mayfield in his high variance player. Look at Carson waves, I mean talk about somebody that's regressed. He's regressed all the way back to his senior year at North Dakota State quarterback plays tough. And right now we have a quarterback. That's high variance. Well, that's one thing. I think we need to remember the other is this he came in late in a strange year in the midst of a pandemic with no training camp more minimal training camp. No minicamps. No OTAs, no prestige. James be tough complicated offense to run that has so many different moving parts. You've read The Playbook, you know, Evan every road has like six different variations. I'm trying to do is hard. There are some play books that are easy. It's like oh, yes, this makes sense Bruce Arians Playbook. It's kind of easy. Nothing really changes Josh McDaniels doing the Patriots Playbook. It's like quantum physics for me. Like I I can't figure it out. And so to try to do that in the midst of all this is difficult. So with that context, I think you know, if you want to get into the home Jared versus cam debate. I don't really think there is one because as you pointed out this week on Twitter Bill Belichick has seen Jarrett Stidham now for almost two years. He's seen him every day in practice if Jake was going to be the answer to what fixed to what else is Patriots passing game. Yes, he would play him but he's not so that tells you what you need to know about Jackson them. I was on Jarrett Stidham home. Right before they signed Camp. I remember I wrote the peace and said look Jack said it was a planet quarterback everybody and I'm so glad I snuck in at the ad. Well, look if they could get can do it for cheap short not be great. But Jarod said it was a planet like two weeks later. I signed Cam Newton Cam right now gives them the best chance to win games. Is it through the passing game most weeks? Probably not, you know this week might be a get right opportunity. But if I you know, if for the 2021 season, I still think canvas done enough to earn the chance to win this job with a full complement of training camp preseason, all that stuff of the engine needs to get better at Short of the mechanics break. Absolutely not do they matter. Sometimes they actually do but right now he's the best shot they've got week in and week out to win games. There's so many things. I want to follow up with you on there. The first thing I want to mention is just off your first point about how we were spoiled and I think we people get defensive when we say that and and they get angry at us that we say that they were spoiled. It's true though, and I think the biggest thing is dead. I went and watched that 2019 playoff game against the Chargers yesterday to see what exactly they did schematically offensively and I'm watching Brady and this is at the peak of his powers just absolutely surgically tear up the Los Angeles Chargers defense and I'm thinking of myself, you know, this guy is just so freaking good and there's no I was on a Buccaneer show yesterday and Bucks fans are getting a little angsty about the passing game and I wanted to like kids. Yeah Mom down. All right because all you're doing is giving Tom Brady ammunition. Let's will record of this Thursday morning Tom Brady just recorded an error rate at a hide video for Lipscomb Academy in Tennessee Trent dilfer's team their balls playing the National Championship in the states. She came and in the first sentence Tom Brady says, I was picked 199. Yeah, it's not 2005. It's twenty twenty almost twenty Twenty-One and he's still driven by that. This is a guy that is driven off. To be perfect. We were spoiled for twenty years is okay to admit that we haven't seen quarterbacks with this level of precision painting Tom Brady like they're different breeds and we were spoiled that we should be thankful. We have the twenty years we did right exactly and I think the biggest thing is what you mentioned about the variance of quarterback play here in New England. We were so used to the quarterback just being dead. Great all the time right on one wavelength all the time of just continuously being consistent. And even in a bad Brady game is bad was usually still better than a lot of quarterbacks in the league. So that's what we're accustomed to see the other thing that we're accustomed to seeing him. And one thing that really stood out about that charger playoff game why I brought it up was the footwork the mechanics the clean break and motion his feet always pointing towards his Target the Precision in which he got the ball out to accuracy in which he got the ball out to the short part of the field, you know, there's going to be situations in this charge. Game when they play a lot of Cover 3 defense that Josh McDaniels is going to flood the middle of the field and he's going to get low receivers, you know underneath receivers open by sending guys up to seems and setting the guys up the issue and then clearing out that coverage for a Jacoby Myers or someone to fill in in the bottom and Brady. It's just off the back foot and out. It's off the back foot and out and the ball is in a spot that the receiver can then do something with it after the catch Cam Newton doesn't necessarily do that on a consistent basis. That's not really his game. And if you go and you actually look at some of the advanced metrics within ten yards of the line of scrimmage, she has a worse On Target percentage that he does on passes over 10 yards because he's actually better at pushing the ball down the field and he feels more comfortable doing that and throwing the short stuff. So not only does he not have the wrong picture perfect drawing mechanics that every High School coach in the country has teach tape and Tom Brady to show their High School quarterbacks. Their sixteen-year-olds are watching. Hey, this is this is it at the pig? This is the case the resistance. This is the Mona Lisa of quarterback mechanics, right and Cam Newton's does not look the same. He's not as proficient in those underneath throws. He's not as good as a leading receivers into your life, you know, and that Chargers game Edelman feasted on over routes Crossing irelia you Cam is not as good at anticipating those over routes coming open and throwing Jacoby Myers into space where he can catch and run with it. It's just not as game and that's okay because you look at the Houston game. He does do things. Well passing the football down the field I manipulation arm Talent all that kind of stuff is not the same as what we saw with Tom Brady for twenty years. So it's a much different. Look. The other thing is is you mention cams mechanics and I think because we were so spoiled by Brady's great mechanics can be bad mechanical throws really stand out to us when we see his, you know, his feet not pointed in the right direction or his hips open early and all these types of stuff, you know shoulder fly off. Whenever and you look at all these things and you say okay, you know from from a coaching standpoint from a mechanical standpoint. This is ugly. Right. This is why is accuracy is sometimes hit-or-miss, but I wanted to ask you that specific question. When does it matter and when does it not matter because I think that's really key because we can break down several Cam Newton throws where he has poor mechanics, but one week mattered and one week it did it, you know and I thought against Arizona for the most part it kind of waned on him as the game went on but I thought for the most part he threw basically with the same platform as he threw against Houston ball just didn't necessarily end up in the same spots as it did against the Texans. Yeah, and and that's the critical point of it like, you know, not to bring up Patrick Mahomes, but I think he's a good example of mechanics matter and and not matter in because when the homes was coming through his drafts, like a lot of people said pre-draft obvious mechanics are a mess that will never work in the National Football League and that's when I started saying mechanics Matt birth. Don't matter until they Mac. Okay, what that means is as long as the ball gets where it needs to be what it needs to be there and it puts the receiver and position to have success after the catch. I don't care how you throw if you look at Mahomes. Look at that game against Tampa Bay. He had that jet vertical route to Tyreek Hill off of an RPO mesh where his feet were all over the place and just flipped it like sidearm and it's right on the money. So that doesn't matter. I don't care how he throws it it got to where it needs to be. But if the ball doesn't get where it needs to be it, it hurts the receivers chance to either make the catch or get yardage after the catch em because of your mechanics, then it's a problem and there are examples of this. Like if you go back to the San Francisco game early in that game that missed their down on the check down to James White. The throw was low wage you get a chance to catch you make a move and he stopped short the ball placement was off because of the mechanics and that's when it matters when throws are missed and it's because of the mechanical issue age. They're just stepping in the bucket or like you showed me like you just said the hip opens early the shoulders flare open. That's when it matters. So in the Houston game when the mechanics are shoddy, but the boss don't get more needs to be done a good that's fine. We can live with that but it's when it prevents the rest of the team to have see where throw is placed and it's mechanical issue. That's what it matters. I know the question the follow-up calls from everybody is what can you fix it? Yes, but it takes time but with Cam Newton, he's been doing this for a long time now and so at some point the mechanics are what they are you home to find a way to work within them. You know, how many times do we hear Blake Bortles? You know when he was in Jackson OH strips the mechanics he doesn't have that big dip in Loop now is to work it on at all training camp. He's looking great first driving home West on 38th and I'll do it comes back. It's muscle memory. Like when you're at this point in your career is what it is. You can tinker and refine things but muscle memory will take over so you have to find a way sort of conceptually within your offense to make it off. Get Guys open except the limitations accepted on the perhaps some of those over routes. You're not going to get the axle. Make sure you get what you can on the design, you know on some of these checkdowns. You might not get a ton of yeah, so get what you can with the design and work with the quarterback to maximize the opportunities that he presents given some of these mechanical limitations right because we're birdie, you know, and I hate to keep on comparing it back to age but I think that that's even if people don't realize it. I truly feel like that's what they're doing in their heads as Patriots fans cuz they're saying hey in the past when we've checked the ball down to James White, he's caught in the ball and ran with it or in the past when we throw the ball to Julian Edelman his caught in the ball and then ran with it, you know, why don't we have that anymore and a lot of it has to do with just you know, maybe the throw is just a little bit behind him or it's a little late or it's a little bit lower. It's a little bit High, you know that screen passes the final drive of the game against Arizona, you know, Camp throws it over James James Whitehead and basically the entire play is Helen void from that point off. Because the past was off so the two other things that I think are really key with accuracy that quarterbacks coach Jen fish kind of told me a few months ago. I asked him. You know, what makes an accurate quarterback is it just mechanics or is it off of things and he said decision-making and timing are just as important as throwing mechanics and I think if you could see, you know cams decisions for the most part, I think I've been pretty solid basically for the last four or five weeks. You know, I know we can pick at some of the interceptions and stuff like that that he has thrown but one you know for last week was a bad and passed the other one was more about being late and damiere Byrd being held at the top of the route than anything else and I think that when you look at a lot of the the timing of a lot of these throws have the ball is coming out on time that I think that they would be in the right place. It's just a bulk is coming out too late and he's you know, he's a guy a little bit too far or he's throwing a guy a little bit too much inside and when he's supposed to be outside and if he had thrown it right with right when he was supposed to and maybe we wouldn't run into these accuracy issues before we move. Rid of her bird who I'm really really impressed with and I think Bill Belichick's pretty darn impressed with do based on his comments. You mentioned at this could be a Get Right game for Cam Newton. Josh McDaniels knows this charger scheme. He knows how to draw it up against this Chargers defense. We saw him do it. Again. Seattle's defense. It's the same scheme. So Kim should have success. My my question to you is that they play obviously cover three forty percent of the time they do it more than almost any team in the league three three deep for under most of the time. They're begging cam to throw the ball short on that page. That's not a coverage that you normally succeed throwing the ball down the field and making big plays off of so, I think the question is then is does Cam have the proficiency under ten yards off pick away at a defense like that or are they going to have to find ways to scheme it up that he can push it down the field. Yeah, and I think you know the fact that they play like covered. It's not like the old Seahawk. Discover Three Words Press coverage on the outside with the legion of boom days. It's more your traditional Steelers type spot drop Cover 3, you know where the guys are going to be. You know, what's a bit of good news bad news. Like you said having you know, they play it more than anybody else. They've given up 26 pass in place, but gain of Twenty Yards or more in an intended Area Arts of 10 plus that tells you but the scheme is a factor not like yeah, screen or something like that at fourteen of those big plays more income for three like they've given up some big plays in that coverage. The problem is from New England offense perspective those types of games on offense at most, gets covered one cuz teams are snacking the box and they're trying to stop the run. They find only five plays like that with that level of success. It gets covered three and two of those were against Seattle with Newton throw up to Julian Edelman who we know she's not on the roster right now because the, you know, the injuries that being said though, there are ways to sort of make plays both underneath provided can put the ball where it needs to be Edge team up from birth. Don't feel that we all as Patriots fans. We love horse. Why'd you right? So one of our favorite we all know it. Does she brought up the themes from the slot receivers hits runs on the outside. That's one of your standard Cover 3 meters. Now, you know, I'm sure Josh magennis will have that a place. She would it be surprised to have him call it like early. Maybe it's on the script of 15 know that's a way to scheme some stuff up deep. They like Yankee concept with the over the deeper post office that hilo's the middle safety so you can scheme some shop plays downfield. So I think they'll take some opportunities to try to scheme up some stuff hit some stuff down field may be soft in that something that defense up a bit and you'll need cam to hit on some of those underneath throats. I mean you watch that divisional game against the charges, you know, they hit on maybe one or two throws downfield, but a lot of it was those over routes off of play-action. So if they can get off the ground and going soft up that front line backer start thinking about creeping down hill you hit some of those over such akobe Myers. You can have some success thrown against these guys and like I said, this could be a Get Right game. You have to worry about both obviously, but there could be some place made in the passing game against the Chargers defense. Yeah, and you know materials Taunton Tuesday and you could just hear it as voice. When you talking about the Chargers defense cause I know these guys, you know, I got these guys figured out so I really don't think this is going to be any sort of issue. I know my day goes just come. Under Fire a lot with some people. This is not going to be a schematic or a coaching are the game plan to six against the Chargers defense Thursday night Thursday night might be that's the you gotta worry about friends. Yeah. Yeah. I I I don't want to think about that yet the July you can worry about one Joey Bosa not worry. Don't worry about Aaron Donald and all those guys just yet. Let's move over to Herbert who his he's really impressive. I mean, I know the teams 3 and 8 a.m. You know, really when you watch him on tape. I think the biggest thing that really stands out to me from his college days is how poised he looks right now and the pocket Under Pressure. I I think that that was not something that song. Saw a Touareg on his last season. They're so great Poise Under Pressure, even when he is making Aaron throws off of pressure and it's usually just ball placement issues not decision-making issues getting flustered by pressure or anything like that, you know, just sometimes and the guys taking you down when you're making a throw, the ball is not going to go where you want it to go. That's just obvious. So what have you seen from her because they need to check is just called him outstanding called him and said the quarterback has been outstanding this year multiple times. He has praised Herbert's play and you can tell that for a rookie bill is really impressed. Yeah, and he should be and you're exactly right. I haven't the Poise Under Pressure the pocket mentality of the pocket awareness has been the biggest sign from Heaven not a lot of people. I don't know anybody not named Herbert that said that that was going to be rate of his coming out of order. We didn't see that on tape. I've talked to people that played against him coached against him prepared for him last year the fact of all and they all told me like look, this is not the guy we saw like wage I know a lot of people that you know cover the draft cover the quarterbacks coming out cover the NFL said, you know the Oregon offense did have no favors just throw in tunnels and bubble screens and all this stuff. They really didn't ask him to do it down on you. Maybe you want to right now looking back should they have asked him to do more because you certainly capable that you know, his Poise Under Pressure, you know showing up coverage zero Blitz looks exotic. Let's looks like it doesn't FaZe any issues around extremely. Well, he's big he's athletic throw. Well on the Move he's going to give them some problems. This is an offense. It's going to give him some problems Keenan Allen some fantastic wide receiver and I'm very curious to see and I know I'm talking about who they might do use on him, but her has been great and teams have struggled to confuse him. Now, there are ways you can do it, which I'm sure we'll get into in a second but he's dead are buried of rookie quarterback where you can't just say we're going to do what we do cuz we know it's going to be good enough, right? You have to show him different looks you have to actively game plan for a rookie quarterback, which is pretty rare dog. Today's NFL but Herbert has been you know, one of these stories that they can today's this this NFL season. Yeah, certainly and you know, Joe Burrows her to has been heard but you look at that class. Although it. Looks like Herbert might be the guy that's going to end up having the best career out of all of them. I know it's early. It's way too early to kind of make that Proclamation but we're heading in that direction. The one thing I also remember from we had you on to talk about the quarterbacks back in probably March or something like that and we talked a lot about throwing off of Leverage with the young quarterbacks and we were talking about Herbert and doing that in college and that's exactly what I've seen him be able to sneak in the pros with Keenan Allen with Hunter Henry a lot and I was like why option type of planes and also Austin ekeler kind of being sort of his safety blanket and when they're you do throw throw at him or you do throw some sort of pressure look at him. It's usually echler out of the backfield that's kind of like, you know his safety valve the guy that he goes to so we're going to match up so I want to discuss those two guys, but in terms of wage, Throwing off leverage just what explain what that is, cuz I think it's really important game because they run so many what appears to me like Leverage based option routes in their offense where can analogous opening up towards the side where the defender is not or Hunter Henry is doing the same thing. Yeah it it's one of those things I think rookie quarterbacks are younger quarterback coming on College? I think have to have a good feel for them because you know, we all get excited when we're studying quarterbacks in college. Like, oh he see the safety rotation. This is great. He's reading Cover 3 buzz and it gets us a chance to show that we're pretty nerdy about distinguishing cloud coverage or whatever. You don't need to do that like just you wouldn't nearest Defender is and then throw away from that but put your receiver position to make a catch. It's all that ball placement. We were talking about with Kim and Joseph, you know, you mentioned Hunter Henry some of those why option routes he had to throw a couple of weeks ago. Where is the third and launch situation Hunter Henry just basically runs past the sticks, you know to make sure he can get the first down. He's isolated against the man cave. Is Defender and he just Shields him away and her but puts the football to the outside shoulder away from the dares to fed her away from that Defenders leverage and they moved to change and now it's now it's a first attempt you do need to diagnose the coverage. If you can just see the nearest Defender see his leverage get on the same page with the receiver and throw away from that. It's the same like you mentioned Keenan Allen they will run slot faced with him and they'll take them into back shoulder throws, you know at any level of the field or if you somehow getting outside leverage go put it on the inside and that's something that happened did extremely well at Oregon and I think looks ain't shakes teach in Pep Hamilton. They deserve a ton of credit. I know there's a lot of questions about Anthony land and his future with the Chargers but featured in Hamilton deserve a ton of credit cuz they're catering this offense to what Herbert does well and they're having successful student and leverage reads one of those things and for a team like New England that likes to play a lot of man coverage, you know that works in cover-3 in a little bit more than usual but there's still a cover one heavy Jean, you know a quarterback log. Read leverage and throw against it could be a problem. Right and the one player stood out to me was a touchdown to Keenan Allen against Buffalo on goal-line and it's just Keenan Allen is it looked like Brady Bunch, you know, Keenan Allen is kind of running that little option route that little sticker out where he's going to just open off the leverage and his back is still to the quarterback and Justin Herbert is already loading up the past cuz he knows just going to break outside here now and breaks outside and he throws it right into a tight window right on the goal-line for 6 and you just look at those types of plays and you say okay. That's a quarterback that gets it, you know, he understands how to beat coverage understands where you know, the coverage is going to be and how to throw away from the defender and and throw off leverage and all that good stuff. I do want to talk about the Miami game plan against her birthday cuz usually that's what I do is if the Patriots are going to play a team that the Dolphins have already played. I just go back and look and see. Hey what did Brian Flores do against this guy? And that was probably her birth. Worst game as a starter outside of the first game against Kansas City, which I think you can kind of throw out and saying that the situation that he was in to be playing in that game at all. But in terms of the games that had started in fully and and and kind of had, you know, his whole week of preparation and stuff like that that my end game was the worst one and you mentioned kind of changing up the coverage on him Brian for his played nine different packages in that game and I was a lot of Cover 3 and a lot of one and a lot of zero but it was a lot of different things that they would kind of spun the dial on Herbert and the one like a distinctive thing was that they didn't give him a clear look pre-snap of what the coverage was going to be post nap. And that was the very first time I would say any tape of Herbert that I've watched was that song an hour and interception the first time he didn't throw off The Leverage maybe in any of the throws that I saw him make over the last month. Yeah, and then that, you know, if you're interested in sort of dive into what Belichick might do definitely watch that Miami game. So glad you brought that up because first of all floors just doing a great job defensively. I mean as a week before that, I mean he made Jared Goff look like a rookie, you know with some of those covers Gerald books, but what floor is did that was so great against Herbert was they would disguise them. They did such a great job of disguising a priest now Miami's like one of those teams were seen this more in the league right now when we always say, oh you should get yourself a mad indicator if you fences are like, okay, we'll Trail the motion priest now and then we'll drop into zone. So now you're having to recalibrate your expectations, Miami did some of that and really confused her birth and they showed you that that zero look but on the Howard interception, they showed that cover zero look but they dropped it to straight Cover 3, you know sort of this spot drug type Cover 3 that we were talking about earlier and Howard's just read it as often as like through his nearest receiver to the quarterback and her might have been confused might have thought it was Zero because maybe what where he put that throw maybe he thought it was zero and how her jumps it and it was a game. Great job of Disguise great way to sort of confuse a rookie quarterback and you know Spin and you know rotating you're safe as the snap is one of the ways to confuse them you look at last week. It gets trippier. Buffalo Bills that Bills game the tray white interception. They showed are too high too high for this now drop it into a three buzz Herbert. I don't know if you saw it or if he did he thought he could sort of get that over that been long enough to write to Henry the tray white is in the back side just read in his eyes and he jumps it and that was another play where they used motion. It didn't matter because he's thinking one thing they spin the safeties. He gets bid. Enjoy quite made a great place. So you can rotate your safety to confuse them a little bit but you're going to have to do some different things. You know, you can't just line up and play cover what it say. Yeah, we've got this you've got to try to confuse them big reason why it can't be that is cuz he has some Playmakers there on the outside that are tough to deal with and I would assume that Stephon Gilmore is going to draw the Keenan Allen assignment that that just kind of seems like it makes sense. But yep. Is a guy that I asked him where this yesterday. So he plays a lot in the slot. He's targeted the whole lot. So it's you know, really and targeted more. I think than any other wide receiver in the league by a landslide right now, so it could be a lot of action for Stephon Gilmore if they do put him on Keenan Allen now, they probably mean that Jesse Jackson might get Mike Williams and I think that's probably a pretty good matchup for JC. But the ones that concern me are who gets Henry and who gets Heckler and what are they do to kind of scheme it up with those two guys because Henry's the type of guy that you know, I love Kyle Duggar as much as anybody but he has had some trouble in man coverage against tight ends when they do make him do that and I Henry's not necessarily the most explosive guy that he will face, you know, Mark Andrews even a black last week against Iraq weeks ago. I should say he had some trouble with the Texans tight ends. Akins is definitely a guide I think is faster just in a straight line than the guy like Henry is but Henry does those off Out so well and he's able to break at the top of the route so well and that could give Duggar some issues. So I think we can assume it out and Gilmore going to see each other a lot. But where do you go with Henry off? And is she kind of important enough? You think I guess is my main question to maybe even bracket him a little bit inside and it maybe send some multiple coverage type of looks at him. I think so. I mean, I think this is a game where you're going to see a lot of some package stuff. I mean, you're going to see a lot of you know, Adrian Phillips on the field a lot of dog are a lot of you know, Terrence Brooks on the field and you might see a lot of situations where you've got off two of those three bracket and Hunter Henry because I do think you know, Keenan Allen is great. Mike Williams, just great cuz there's a good receivers, but I'm comfortable with leaving Gilmore leave in Jackson mileage with those guys. Like they'll make some plays sure but I think for the most part those matchups are ones that can be handled by those two Defenders. The hunter hunter Henry does scare me, especially when you see and like you look dead. Very impressive child auger. I think he's got better as the seasons going on. You know, this was supposed to be a caddy season for him. He's going to carry pepper each other clubs learn how to play because of the opt-out. He's been you know thrown into the action and he's had trouble like you said it gets some of these tight ends even back to Darren Waller Waller had some plays against them too. So I think you will want him sort of bracket him and I think you know, whichever one of 3 dozen help on Henry is probably getting a cooler out of the backfield. I don't I don't think we want a situation where it's 21 Bentley in man coverage on an active like that's not where we want to be on Sunday afternoon so long I like you see a lot of some packages that you do see some brackets on Henry, you know try to take that away and make them throw to a more favorable matchup for New England and then use one of the other sub Defenders on Austin ekeler out of the backfield wage. That might need you soft against the run. I mean so beard, but I think you pick your poison and you want to take away some of what they do best and that's as we all know a spell check them. Oh, yeah. It really reminds me a little bit in time. Adjust game script and philosophy of that Buffalo game because the Chargers throw the ball more than any team in the league, you know, they really want to put the ball in the air similarly the Buffalo especially on the first and second down as a very aggressive passing team and they go and they plant the Patriots about the go and they ran the ball a pretty decent amount was Singletary. And and yeah, and I do, you know echler in his offensive line for the Chargers. I think Lawrence guy and Adam Butler would have their way if they try to run the football too much against the Patriots and I know that this charger offensive line still based off of what I've seen hasn't really been proved all that much and I think that's probably the weakness of this charger offense if there is one in the passing game cuz they aren't they're 7th and dvoa as a pass offense right now. They are very good solvents. But if you walk in kind of take advantage of one thing it's probably dialing up the pressure whether it's actually blitzing or only setting for but kind of simulating pressure and you know creepers and stuff like that. That's cool. I think you can kind of make life difficult on her birth. Is that as much as he is good and Poise under pressure again, if you're getting hit while you're being you're thrown or you're getting you know, you have to scramble and throw have to move off your spine throw every quarterbacks accuracy from that point on, you know declines a little bit, you know, no one's perfect Under Pressure. So I think that's really where the Patriots need to go is easy at Arizona script, even though Kyler's a lot more, you know mobile and in his legs are a lot more of a factor than Herbert's legs are broken can move a little bit too. I think that that sort of formula for the Patriots with a lot of different pressure looks up front coming at you with cover zero blitzes and bailing out of them and you know running five-man pressures Outlook, like five men pressures at end up being formed and pressures and stuff like that is really where the Patriots defense needs to continue to live. I think that that's what they need to continue to do because they're not going to be a defense where you just we're just going to rush for Geico. As in get home, you know, they don't have the individual pass-rushers to continue to do that. And I think that that was the most frustrating part about the Houston game plan was that they really thought that they could get home with winovich and down a wise and just rushing for guys at the Texans offensive line and the Texans offensive line to their credit block them all pretty much the entire game. So if you're going to be able to get after Herbert, I think you're going to dial it up a little bit more creatively like they did against the Cardinals and I kind of hope that that's what we see out of this Patriots defense for the duration here. Yeah. I hope so too. And I think what we saw that Arizona game was off what could be the start of something good, which was Rush land Integrity. You know, I think everybody every Patriots fan was looking at this schedule when it was announced and you saw Russell Wilson Mahomes Watson motion and you're just like Josh Allen you just like man, these are all mobile quarterbacks, which have traditionally given Patriots a bit of difficulty. But you saw weather was you say, you know, staying home and Kyler wanted to spin away whether it was dead. Winovich get his hands up on that tipped interception weather was what if it should stay with rushland Integrity, you know not given worried a chance to get to the edge get outside of a scrambled real situations where he can be so effective. That was a great day to see you're going to want to do that again because Herbert is also very good at throwing on the movie. Look at a touchdown. He had a couple of weeks ago Lola to his left finding Keenan Allen in the back corner of the Dead Zone thrown moving to his left as a right-handed quarterback, which is very impressive. He can make plays outside the pocket off his truck sure. You don't want to give him that chance and so your creative upfront you scheme some stuff you show those creepers that simulated pressure like you talked about which I think is a great thing to do and then when you get a chance, you know, yes sax are great, but don't give up sort of the edge. Don't let them get outside of you. Keep them in the pocket. I give them a chance to make a scrambled throw throw, you know, sometimes that's more effective than getting trying to get home for a sack news and contained and now you've lost the numbers Advantage. Yeah. That's something that the Patriots defense job. Talk a lot about last week going into that and Skyler was making sure that they had rushed land Integrity. Obviously, they wanted to put pressure on Murry and they they did put pressure on them. A little bit is still actually PFF home added about a 27% pressure rate, which I was surprised about watching the game live and felt like it affected Marie more, you know, I felt like he was more rattled than a 27% pressure rate would suggest so maybe it was you know, maybe it was a little bit of him seeing ghosts at some point, you know him seeing those cover zero looks early and then thinking that they were coming later in the game that they really weren't coming. You know that that type of thing but I think that's a really great point about Russia and integrity being important for that moving forward cuz they have gotten some pressure on quarterbacks year wage, but too often guys like the Sean guys even like Lamar for a couple of times was able to kind of just sidestep in or or kind of, you know, see the open pocket of space to his left or his right and wrong. Kind of just moving up to Sean is he was so good in that game so good. Yeah. He just literally, you know, he would just see winovich, It'd be like, oh, okay. I'm just going to you know decide to the left and then just reset a little bit and Thursday right down the field, you know, and and that that's that's I think something Herbert can actually do even as a Young quarterback. So, excuse me. I'm really fascinated to see how Bill Belichick take from that Brian Flores game plan does his own little spice to it. I'm sure as well cuz you don't want to show her but probably the same exact game plan again with that. He just saw a couple of weeks ago and week 10:00 am sure. He probably be a little bit more ready for it this time around but Mark. Thank you so much for coming on with me. I love talking quarterbacks with you always in just in general, but where can people find you read you anything you want to see is coming up while having sex so much man. I always have a blast we get a chance to Chad. We could probably go for hours and feel like we can go for hours and this one to you. Find me on Twitter at marks Chrome. Like you mentioned usatoday touchdown wire Pats Pulpit. They give you bleeding green Nation, but the easiest way is on Twitter at Marksville field and I can't recommend it enough. Especially Marc's weekly quarterback. Breakdown videos Market don't know if you if you notice it every week. But in my Patriots game plan, I always take your break down video of the opposing quarterback that you've done recently and that out for me. So why that's what I'm doing, but I'm just trying to do the work for everybody else. Everybody else can find this out there stuff my own Soliloquy about Justin Herbert when I can just say hey, here's everything I think about Justin Herbert and I spot and you can all look at it there on Mark's Twitter. So it makes my life a lot easier honestly and it also prevents it from being like four thousand words every week because you know, I could I could probably break down like suck Harbor throws and we'll be there all day. So it definitely helps with condensing the information as well as I really appreciate that will definitely have Mark on again soon. I know a lot of people are probably hoping we were going to talk about the draft khong Vax with Mark will get to that I will get I will say watch this week at BYU Coastal Carolina Zach Wilson. Just keep your eyes on that one. Cuz that's all I'm going to say. I know a lot of people talking about Mac Jones to New England Bama ties, Jack Wilson might be a guy that more in their range of the giraffe if they don't make the playoffs, you know, I don't know if Zach Wilson is she going to be a top ten pick but you know guys like Lawrence and Fields and maybe even Lance are probably going to be out of their reach maybe Wilson's the guy or Lance is the guy that ends up falling, you know to the early teens and is able to talk to somebody that Belichick can get his hands on but based off the beginning of this podcast. I don't think we're quite ready to close the book on Cam Newton on this show. At least I think other shows are are ready to pull the plug because one bad game, but I think we're going to stick it out a little bit longer, but on C honest media. Com, you can find my Patriots game plan. I just mentioned will be out on Friday. We will have wall-to-wall coverage on Sunday wage. Actually, not in La. I was really excited to go back to LA and be at this game, but we can't do that this year, obviously, so we'll do it from home pre-game post-game during the game checking out on sealing this media.com, and we'll be back next week as Mark mentioned to break down the Los Angeles Rams, which is going to be a really fun one. I think of Super Bowl rematch that I'm sure Sean McVay off and Jared Goff had circled on their calendar as soon as that schedule came out of when they could maybe get a little bit of revenge against Bill Belichick in the Patriots. So we'll be back next week to break that game down on the shortwave. But until then signing off for my guess Mark Schofield. I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for listening off.
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Search t. tgif twenty twenty one financial institutions are struggling to move fast enough to compete with new players their legacy tech and processes are holding them back but there is answer our new report titled rebuilding financial services from inside is a comprehensive guide to what tech teams in financial institutions are thinking and what they want the rest of the business stand to help them move forward head to bit late forward slash eleven s rebuilt to download it now an welcome to fintech insider inside. My name is deborah and in today's episode. What we're doing is looking at everything embedded finance. What is it. how does it work. What is it for the benefits of it and attack that empowers as well. We're going to be taking a little bit of a look ahead. Will the future of embedded finance could be as we are really only scratching the surface in terms of where we are right. Now after talking about this as always we have some super duper some guests bringing back first of all. We have wayne on old. The ceo over at moved on. Iro how you doing way too. Great to see you again. I'm doing wonderful. Thanks for having me before we get into it like. Do you want to tell us a little bit more about move for anybody sitting under a rock in the middle of nowhere. Who haven't heard of you. Well i think there must be a lot of rocks out there but In general move makes it easier for developers to accept store and disperse money and we're really focused on marketplaces and platform companies. That consistently have that money in stored value money out and need to do that in a really quick and easy way. Probably one of the most unique things about how we're going to market is that the most complex and technical pieces of our technology stack or open source patchy to very cool. I remember talking to you about your great idea for a business. What was it like three two years three years ago. And you've gone and made it happen. It's real amazing to see the even going forward which is great absolutely. It's it's starting to look like a good idea. So or keep after it pistons all right and joining wade. We've also got making a welcome return to the show at the allen who is a senior product leader over at fi. How's it going to great super glad to be back Obviously big fan of the show not weighed big fan of what you're doing as well. I mean i think he's never been on the show as much as i have over the last couple of weeks so it just shows what sherpa is been been doing in recent times with regards to fintech. You guys are turning into the the sort of calm. If we were allowed to go to face to face conferences. I think shop before would be the uber of this. This generation of examples conferences right. Now in terms of. We'll get stuff that you guys are doing. So great to have you back my honor to be and finally making his debut. We have gabrielli colombo. Who is a executive director over at phoenix has going well. Thanks for having here. We thrilled to have the opportunity. Big fan of the show was great. Time you will on board and think we've got a pretty intense amount of content to get through regarding the subject so we probably want to get off to a bit of a start. So i'm really what we want to start off with digging into really embedded in finance actually is what is it. What does it look like. Why do thing for both businesses and consumers and essentially trying to make it is really we can do. So maybe if we start with a bit of a definition we've defined it as finance that shows up just when you need it. It's finance that is embedded into the existing user journey. What do you guys think is that is that close to how you would go about defining it to maybe starting with you. Yeah no. I think that's a great definition very similar to how we think about it at shop as well For us we sort of think about it Through the user journey and in two ways one there's the merchant journey so our users but then there's also the customers so the merchants and how they interact with Embedded finance to provide fishing for both of those different points You know i think for us. It's all about increasing that convenience allow for faster. Transactions increasing revenue in providing more accessible interface. And you talk a little bit about those different users. Join unpack that a little bit more because of the the benefits for those different users across journeys is significant isn't it. It is definitely in so as you know Shop affi- we sort of believe embedded finance is all about boosting that revenue that convenience for our primary customer the merchants but it's also about engaging their customers in that that transaction stream. And so. there's a few things all kind of share that we're doing on that i think will kind of hit on the the various different Journeys for those two races so You've probably heard about shopping. Effect capital So shop if i capital provides merchants with the funding that they need to grow. And you know really what we're trying to do here is reduce the barriers that proportionately affect somerton more than others things like reviewing their credit history requesting lengthy applications reviewing business plans All that additional friction that a small business Were really just has to struggle within that ultimately ends up causing so much friction and ultimately gets in the way of them actually growing and scaling or business. So were super proud. But at the end of april Provide capital had hit a pretty big milestone where we provided two billion in funding to small businesses since its launch in twenty sixteen. So what makes us really proud. There is the amount of impact that has on small businesses and entrepreneurs so that's one example of embedded finances and how it helps our merchants grow. That's amazing yeah So many i'm like. I can keep going but we can pause there no do. I'm just like oh my god. That's a big number like amazing. It just shows the again the impact when as we were sort of saying the you know the the solution is next to the problem that actually impact can be really significant exactly yup and so another one. That's actually new on a new area that we are entering his schofield allen's so shop by balance gives merchants access to critical money management tools to help solve some of those sort of standard financial challenges that especially plague small businesses and entrepreneurs like managing cash flow reconciling payments from various sales channels paying out to their bank account quickly enough quick enough to be able to manage their day to day so it includes a balanced account for managing their money. A shop a fight card which allows them to have quick access to spending both physically end end virtually and a rewards program that is specifically built for actual small businesses Worse so it sort of actually incentivizes them to spend in areas that we know will actually help grow in benefit their growth in their business so things like shipping and marketing and then we give them back cash back for doing that so it's kind of like a good help them mandel bro in. It's just a kind of a nice on the fact that we have so. That's the second that i share. That is again merchant. I've got a third. That's a bit more customer focus. I was gonna talk about as well. Go ahead let's. You're in a row done all right all right so these are just like an example of some of the different fin benefitauto offers that we have so as you mentioned. There's a lot going on shop. If i right now in the fintech space so the third one that i wanted to talk about was installments. So this is our new. Buy now pay later. Option that is exclusively powered by a firm and two installments as many listeners. Know is an opportunity for merchants to offer more convenient payment options to their customer and that really allows them to split up the purchase over four equal payments interest free with no additional sort of friction for the consumer and so this we know based on data is really really valuable to the consumer but also really valuable to the merchant in terms of actually increasing order sizes and reducing that friction so those are three examples of like real sort of embedded finances. The first two that are more targeted out of primary customer. The merchant although we do do some stuff that's direct that actually consumer and then the third which is much more on the on consumer side and it's fascinating because like the across the value chain with a different lens on known bank sharply by being a non bank the opportunity to embed financial services. All the way through your offering and as you said to me before another podcast. It's just about sullivan. Customers problems right so being able to solve those problems. The problems are occurring is is is fascinating. I mean y. You don't see from a technological perspective here then actually. The solving. This problem is very similar. Four non-banks is for big incumbent banks. But there's actually quite a lot of opportunity in heave for the big incumbent organizations as well with regards to bass but also with embedded fun. It's much more broadly. So i you wanna touch on that slightly. yeah absolutely. So we're seeing the same pattern. If you take shop fighting you say this is a the modern quickbooks for the internet company. Right and an embedding that entire workflow into that so we continue see incredible vertical sas company so if horizontal sassa crm accounting tools that were really generic needed to be customized for an industry. We now see vertical sas companies whether that's yoga studios a service or at daycare as a service or you know. The list goes on and on and on and we see those marketplaces connecting creators or assets with the customers. They serve needing to be connected and kind of being in the industry for the last fifteen years. There's definitely silos of players that accept money in store money and remitted or dispersed money. But if you're kind of going down market how do you provide that user experience that somebody experienced inside of uber money or they experienced inside of airbnb and now they want to. Do you know lawnmowers as a service connecting unused. John deere tractors with with the neighborhood. That wants to utilize them. It's really hard to take on that. That lift and connect all those systems. And we see that pattern happening over and over throughout tech is fascinates. Isn't it. i mean the the packers sees is really significant. Though isn't it because we're not used to. We should talk a little bit around the traditional model banks providing financial services. You the brand above the above the doorway that you walk through the the idea that actually financial services moves towards this utility that is distributed where the problem is. I mean you can see one. Big traditional banks would have a bit of a problem with the intensive but it's brands but it's a an actually that that challenge in terms of understanding having that emotional intelligence for that level of distribution on those aimed bankers emotionally intelligent. I was one for quite some time but actually being in a situation where you can do that distribution. It's a very different model. Isn't i'm gay. But what do you think. That's a challenge to get over here. Isn't it because the service distribution your capability not being completely in control of all of your your orchestration simcity experience. That's a lot to take it. I completely agree on and you know as you can imagine as we tried to build a foundation. Now for three years to you know encourage banks to collaborate with each other the cultural aspect and sort of changing the way even really they perceive their own way of doing business has been a major part of what we've done and i think i have to say that i have a pretty positive outlook by now after game. Having messaged this idea that the value. I think it goes back to what wade saying. The the the the way value is generated in these systems. And you know where is the value is the value in the code itself when you think about the way with develop softer and these interests never turned believer software over the last fifty years or is the value. Actually in the network. The you're creating. And so i think that an increasing realization that you know the code itself. It's not the value the brent ways to actually you know to your pint. Ledger brand libra to the network. The of created without necessarily the code and to and so. That's why i've seen over the last three years again. From our perspective we see of course open source being the leading aspect that we focus on but it goes very much into to end in hand with banks understanding that again. The venue is not necessarily in this massive moderately platforms really driving more and more Transactions in to their ecosystems. And so. I think whatever the dozen naval that it's going to ultimately as we've seen in pretty much any other industry is going to be defended here and you know we see it on our site bringing together to your point banks but fintechs collaborating on common standards common components that ultimately has to be a positive sum game for pretty much any Invoked does that make sense. it does. Yeah and it's it's an interesting one. Isn't it because i mean we're going to have different listening to this podcast. We're going to have a big bang. They're going well. that's lovely. But unless i lt two point three products to have a universal view then these products don't make money like rats matic from in terms of actually and these problems are gonna be sold by maybe not me but somebody else. In a distributed way is great the customer. But it's maybe not great to the banks and almost i am a you point. Ramona lists highly nobody. Listening to this things montazeri good. Id but equally very hard drug to get off in terms if you're a really big incumbent organization so the only other side if you know played players like shoplift by this is all opportunity like an. That's amazing because we we do have that that sort of pressure forces from each end of that spectrum and ultimately the the best thing for the customer is choice and this is really what they're getting is a choice of actually how these problems are actually sold for people. So i think it's fascinating. I mean what what sort of led to think in the last sort of eighteen months twenty four months. We've seen a real explosion in this despite you speakers but what's been driving that is it. Technology changes is it regulatory changes. What wait what do you think is is it. Just sort of a confluence of all of these different forces or is the woman that's really exacerbating. Problem will the opportunity depending on which way you look it. I see two primary drivers in why we're seeing this big change. The first primary drivers simply automation and so to the big banker listening needs to sell two and a half products. I think the banking as a service right. That's something that's been abdicated in banking and that we're using the quickbooks export from online banking to do reconciliation rather than actually doing the transactions and in that third party software. Were doing these. Things are fortune one hundred companies. But we're not going down market and allowing those to happen so if you're a fortune one hundred company you automated treasury management and all these integrations. That's been available since computers were invented from large financial institutions. It's just done in a snowflake on a customer by customer basis and so i think what we're seeing is a driver of. How do i take that level of automation integration and take it down market and a lot of the examples. We've all brought up our. What would be considered a small business. Twenty million in annual revenue and below your above that you always have access to technology from the large financial institutions so those smaller You know snb's for lack of a better term wanting that high level of of integration and automation is a is a big driver. I think the second driver that we're seeing is just. It's frankly better user experience. And so do i want to duct tape and superglue all these systems together in order to close my books out on a monthly basis. Or do i want to have it all automated inside of my system and it's not just for the back office that or the accounting division of business. It's for the end users to so if i'ma looking for my insurance payout because i might windshield got broken and i'm used to that starbucks or the cash app experience where i can choose and self service myself to how i get that disbursement. Maybe i wanted in bitcoin. Maybe i wanted over. Ach may be a wanted over rtp. Maybe i wanted over pushed to debit You know all of those things don't mandate so user. They just want their money. And so when these large companies that may be used to have will lean an ach platformer we need you know xyz platform That ship has sailed users are demanding what they wanted this point and so you know automation and a better user experience i think is the kind of confidence that's coming together to drive change. Yeah it's it's interesting. Isn't it that that sort of commoditisation of of experience is is interesting like it came to mind as you're talking. That way does not commit win. Bank grade used to be lunka a term of endearment. So how good technology used to be like what is good but is it bank. Great technology like you wouldn't say that now in a positive sense would you in terms of the ways in which those things are set up or established but almost the exactly as you say the. The expectations are being sat increasingly outside a financial services for financial services needs to do and that. That's quite a scary place to be. Yeah i think I think there's examples in tax though that drive user experience so whether you just walk back through history a great mobile experience can you imagine going to a website that wasn't responsive at this point. Like what do you feel about that brand if you had to pinch. Zoom you know all the way to most of us have been in the tech industry long enough remember when google index the entire earth's information and you had autocomplete but we're using a text search in our database and you type in you know gabriel Misspelled and you get no results. So all of a sudden the under software feels very antiquated. If you don't have these features embedded inside of it. And i think you know whether that's starbucks to You know ben mode to all the we chat or and all these platforms that really set that user experience in the same way. Google search that user experience for that technology. And if you start a software project right now and you don't have elastic for autocomplete. You feel like you have an old app and inside of the next couple years if you don't have payments inside of that system you know. Oh i have to leave your platform to go. Send a creator. Money so weird. It's just that user experiences driving the demand for it. what is so interesting is at that With that definition without you. I mean this is a this is sort of a watershed moment for financial services. Because you know the market isn't gonna slow down. The genie is well and truly of the ball. Now in terms of these changes in these opportunities. So i mean is it a you get with the program all you lose market hsieh because it kind of feels like that at this stage you know people are able to do these things. Then they will What what do you think why. I completely ignored that. The i think it's it's you know we talk about. Every bank wants to become a tech firm and the cross pollination between set of the west coast than the east coast. I'm based out the in oakland than many times. My board told me now. Please don't move on the east coast because you're going to bring in innovation by living that and i'm like well it's not that i'm gonna catch innovation but just leaving here is not not a virus you know but but the reality is wade was saying that i see really to a two concrete examples of that one is again the customers really driving now they use it experience and that for banks have to start behaving like a tech company from sort of product management standpoint from really what problems that we're trying to solve for the customer but the second set of aspects with me as well as also again across the nation between sort of the development community and the business especially working with editions. I had the luck. Let's say to come from open source. Communities having always enjoy the three free distributed modern way of developing five years ago joined. His industry was pretty disappointing to see how again the the experience of developers in this logic editions. Especially and you know even in some you know when when you have something that sort of come out of the old cultural and sort of technology patterns we. You don't seem that much of a better experience there but now especially with the new generation. I think again this is another example of i think why is this happening. The new generation comes in with in kita native generation. Partly they wanna give back again. I don't consider open sorts of charity. But it certainly does help to make the case for it. But they also come with the need of the allegation of their value and wanted to continue to foster their own portfolio. I think that's another. I think aspect that is thriving abbado my change together with the main top-down drivers that we discussed. Yeah i really agree. I guess whether it's you're listening to this and you think he misses a great opportunity. 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We're going to take a look at the ten day was just touching on a little bit before we went to a break but actually this theory some amazing changes in that space. I mean w talk a little bit about open source in wage. You touched on this point as well and a second ago i mean. I don't think it's sort of old piece around. Technology choices aren't just about technology. It's a way of life like actually open source. I think he's probably no better example of that. I mean do you want to impact a little bit because it changes everything. It changes your perations. It changes your hiring structure changes everything right absolutely and i think first of all is important to understand the difference between open and open source seventy a lot of overloading of the word open and especially it will seem less mature industries like financial services when it comes to just open source and they're standing engagement opening the eyes open standards opened the formats. Those are all great things and they do indeed enable platform opening assistance on them. So first of all can have a fully thriving open guessing without necessarily having an open source eco-system. I think though the last three years there's been a lot of convincing that we need to do in venus. Get large insertions fainter regulators. All on board with this idea of collaborating urban you make a valid point what what open source enables is having the collaboration model in the open now just the output now just the worth product that is the definition of the whether it's the standard format that you're trying to to again sundays on throbbing. This what we've seen is especially in industry you know by definition has been very concerned with the very silent certain with a low degree of trust between competitors but on the other hand is an industry that leads to collaborate. With which other like you make money by transacting across players in the industry and so we think open source actually was able to sort of create this to your point beyond code this trust of collaboration model on. How do we get to a common solution. That actually does indeed sold problems for multiple practice in the industry weather. Again in sedition fintech regulator thing. That is a major potential for open munition in the industry moving forward. There's really no competitive. Of course a big mac or technology company title entertain industry. So you're absolutely right. Open sources way. More than code is really about the way you collaborate to get to that sufficient. Yeah i was just gonna jump in. I love with game saying. Because i think it's a big culture change on for the financial services sector and a sector that has traditionally not been open to you Innovating in collaborating at that level. But i think that's where the innovation will come. So i think like it's so important to embrace that because that's where the innovation is gonna come from is that level of sort of rethinking the models and rethinking how Banks with each other in other financial services providers collaborate so just love we set gave him so agreements Interesting if you sort of. We've had a very long. Runup is heavily in terms of an industry. Because i mean to your point to a technology in the back office humans in the front office human sort of making up for the limitations from a technological perspective but the obviously over the last ten years we've had digital thrusting technology into the front office which is just change the relationship with those things in in such serious way and and that's hard you know i. I really think there's been weighed. You've seen this number times in in different organizations. But i think mobile banking really was linked to the beginning of this because it got people to actually look were. Apr were how to organize them how to change their interactions with with consumers. And it's really rippled from that because as much as when we're talking about with You know open source. Oh can stack getting used to. Api in micro services and everything think it's been momentum from that point onwards in terms of financial services and really really. This is an evolutionary step in terms of what those things are. I mean what what what are you is. This is this sort of a natural course of evolution for financial services. Or do you think from logical perspective. It's it's more of a leap. We see this pattern in in all tech right whether that's operating systems databases to You know programming languages. It's the the Commoditisation of some of these building blocks in order for innovation actually be built on top of it and so the last company i started van was digital banking company and we connected to a bunch of You know f i s fi serve. Tamino's jack henry all of these different court systems but the user experience was exactly the same from one financial institution to the next regardless of what that back end of course system was built on. And i think that's that's digital banking and if you take fintech fintech being totally different than an omni on channel digital banking route. You're actually starting to sliver out some of the specific pieces whether that's card issuing merchant acquiring or virtual accounts or ach image cash. Letter for for you know this checks. Things still fly around the united states and fintech being different a classic diagram where where they take the big bank website and break it often say. Xyz company does this but it also by definition means that they do a lot of that one little piece of the big bank being ripped apart and so we pc people coming to our open source projects and they don't need ach. they need seven point five million. Ach is a day. And if you compare that to a community bank that may have fifty thousand mobile banking users and total you know. It's just that order of magnitude difference in scale. And i think that that transfer to where fintech is different. Fintech is attacking problems in a very unique way at web scale in a cloud. Native way is really driving driving that change. What's exciting for me. When i joined financial services you know the the mainframe they as for hundreds z series. Rpg code and cobol code running on that that you needed to figure out ibm. I adapter in order to communicate with you that problem. That was really hard stuff. And then you know bringing it out you know. Freeing the knowledge free in that reference architecture into an open source library that the world can collaborate on has been an incredible experience for me in watching. You know something that didn't exist as you said three years ago when i said hey i got this idea to now we have you know some of the most hardened libraries for doing payments processing in the united states compared to any legacy system from from scratch to that and to me. That's kind of the power in the promise of open source. I guess in that move though from a technology. The there's something really critically in that way doesn't get zoos you describing it because the the move is a big banks. Do technology projects solving point problems. They are solving a problem. Another problem that requirements captured at the beginning of the project. You know and. I am diane's and months later they've solved the problem right but the reality of the technology landscape now to your point around integrations is actually look. Do you know who you'll kyc provide is going to be in like as time like whoever the best one is really you want an architecture that can cook with that do that. Not meaning you needed digital transformation program every time you want to change any of these flies right so i think that is that the changes in the is architecture in banking growing up to a point where we're dealing with is sort of web scale technology really just being applied to financial services in a way that really drives choice again. You know it's choice of vendors is choice for customers is is really sort of choice all the way round. I see two major drivers from a technology standpoint. One that you hit on kyc provider so in the united states. We have fact check. We provide an so. Fat check is one of our libraries. It has a false positive rate of point. Zero one percent pretty good for free really bad if you're google and you need to search for billion people through that list so the false positive rate would be a detrimental that you know if they had to review everyone Take them an entire year so there are vendors out there that take on these different challenges of of different scale points. And i think what we're seeing is is that modulate that kinda comes in the conway's law right. The architecture needs to map the implementation and so two to not say well. My entire system needs this. Oh fac tool. I can pick and choose as i scale which is both unit economics and kind of the solution and features the other pieces to your point. David where if. I need to build a solution. I wanna build treasury management. Does that start with you. I it absolutely doesn't at amazon. It starts with what platform capabilities do. I need for treasury management. And then i'll come back and build a ui on top of it and so intact. That's a common way. I need a single. Ach gateway and i need to process payroll and loan payments and and and and and and through that system whereas most large financial institutions have twenty seven. Ach gateways rather than a single one that operates at web scale. And so i think that you know. Banking as a service or or You know those financial primitives as a service are really doing. What tech has done for a long long time said well. Actually i just need comput- so that's make that as a simple service or actually need block storage. So let's make that as a simple service and so as technology is advancing. We're kind of just going up that that capability stack and saying actually just a c. h. is a service not payroll as a service. I can bill payroll on top of that and so those two trends. I think are really what's driving. Adoption of some of these. These technologies that used to be locked away in some kovalyov code. It's interesting and at that stage at. She changes the dynamic from a vendor landscape as well right because pot of you'll appeal in terms of vendors. Being able to what different people is. Actually how easy how great you ought to work with how great you documentation as how good. Your ap is like all of these. Things are so different to just some dude who plays golf with somebody. A big bank were like really good at sales. So actually like the market i think is therefore sort of determining itself in a very very different way and actually that leads to need to collaborate across different players and different markets in the oneplus plus one equaling more than two scenarios. In terms of those things can be at white. Sorry did on that. Yeah absolutely so like our Poor sales pitches that moves trying to be the most boring company in fintech. And what we mean by that is if it works you know go build your innovation on top of it and it's really fascinating talking to tech companies say. Hey wade we need you. Know seventy five million virtual cards Off of your platform versus the bank. That says what can i do. With all these low level primitives. And so i think the marketplace is changing in that. Innovators want to create the value. On top of these Low level primitives or these low level capabilities whereas the typical buyer total stereotyping but the the legacy fire at the financial institution is saying you show me cash management. Show me a commercial treasury. Show me in a. Why would i need a virtual card for an eight piece system. Show me in eight piece system. Not a virtual card on top of that. So i think the buyers going to change over time and i think a lot of that innovation on top of it hopefully comes in house at the financial institution at the tech company at fintech. And then those low level primitives can can be build up from that Many of us have been around long enough that you to put on your website hosted on microsoft windows or or you know. We use coal or microsoft. Sql database and the reason you put ms sql on on your website as a feature was because the other databases lost data. And so you're like well. I paid extra for oracle so that we don't lose anymore in its performance and now open source community has come through and you don't put that you don't put your hosted on windows. You don't even put the cloud provider anymore. It's just assume and we see technologies. Just kind of Monetize a lot of these building blocks so that the new features new innovation can be built on top of it. I think one point that is important. That sort of brings briggs together here in. My mind is also just the familiarity with the cloud and sass model in the industry not just from fintechs but increasingly hopefully financially citizens again. I just joined the industry five years ago and in my mind again open source and cloud really go and and to him meaning sas as delivered a whole new way of commercializing open source again. Moving away the value from the code itself to the actual service they are providing to your customers the utility the support the again per user per month type Pricing model used to. And so what. I've seen over the last three years. There has been much less resistance both from bangs and without give still a lot to learn from fintech sear when you compare it to the broader commercial open source tech that again over the last ten years says seen a major boom but you know that is the more awareness is of where the venue is in a saas business model. The list concern. I'm seeing on okay. And we can put this low level component in the open because he might drive strategic goals like again the defining factor standard a better way of exchanging technology with regulators ultimately going to have to stand sort of that for approval. And so i just wanted to mention. I think there's a major opportunity here in the industry companies like move that i'm of course a big fan of whereby you're sort of decoupling the code itself and the you'll ever utilities. Have you seen in pretty much any other industry you know. Think about cobra is think about mongo electron and all those sort of bedbug components that we used to buy now. I think we're going to say something similar in industry and i hope actually fintechs to take advantage of it because it's been. Interestingly i would say in our community some of the banks have familiarity with commercial and small bills. Potentially some of the fintechs and there may be a little controversial. But that's what i'm saying. Well it's interesting. Isn't it organizations. Catch up right. And actually i think wait to your point a second ago in terms of the talent that then drives around that. Actually you know organizations that are too long so like being in a situation where they can catch up on those things at least from a from an architectural from logical perspective. I think you'll your ability to let go of your business. Model is even harder than malysz. So we'll see how they how they catch up with those kind of things. I mean i think maybe this points to a that. That overarching trend under this was a coach that was by angeles strange over a sixteen z and widely acquainted everywhere in the world at this stage in every company will be a fintech company and the launch. The that's what we're seeing now. Adding she went on to say about every company will derive a significant proportion of its revenue from financial services. I mean to shop. If i didn't start out with a you know ambition to do banking stuff. And you've sort of alluded before about solving problems. I mean i'm not to go into the details of your accounts just yet but we know apple have gone out and said it's what is it. Two percent of their revenue is coming from apple pay. That's a two percents a lot when you're apple sundays. I'm sure shop is doing very well off of fat foray into financial services. Think this is going to be a trend. That's almost unstoppable at this stage. I do and i definitely agree with that statement to You know. I think actually going back to what weighed in game about explaining to me. It's like seething about legos right like so many of like we're the innovation is going to happen is like as we put the different building walks together and we do it with the full problem. The customer is facing and that journey that that customers on and so any no like probably even further along on this said we are in probably europe in north america. But i do feel that so much of the innovation and new problems being solved in a different way is gonna come from how we connect those dots and how we kind of get closer to the problem. We're trying to solve from the actual customers perspective. Which i think historically financial services companies and banks have had a hard time doing so just like so much kind of so many layers. You know what. I think Shop of ice specifically like it's funny his We've we in some ways before even like by terms like fantastic or finances were thing. We just thought problems that needed to be solved so people needed to. Somebody needed to start a store in a shop and self some. They were builder in a maker in the hat. A product that they were selling ends than they needed to transact and they need to sell that product and so therefore embedding payments and that whole payment processing became an important part to reduce friction to make that easier and to sort of our customers and help their customers on that journey on merchants. And so i think like we're evolving and that were probably just at the very beginning of that but i do think that How you introduce financial services in fintech in some of the capabilities that like weighed in engaged. Talk to at that point in context of the problem that the either the end user the customer or the merchant is facing is really sort of the really exciting Connection that we'll see some innovation and i think way up like it's not payroll. It's all ended the ach. Bits to move things around. And then i can actually think about. How do we reinvent that experience So it's a pretty exciting time right now for this face and i do think in some ways. We all have to transact and money sort of makes the world go around. And so i think any company that's out there. That's really trying to figure out how to solve problems will move towards being a fantastic. I mean wait as the sort of building blocks metaphor to continue. I think is really solid one. You'll you guys are kind of building. The foundations for the next generation of financial services in the instance and that that significant isn't it to your point own open-source catchy you don't open source something you don't create platforms based full little nishi organizations to work with you. Want to power. The next stage of the stage for financial services really is so. I mean anything angeles sits on your board. So now's a good time to say you completely disagree with that. I think it's a bad idea. I think it'd be funny for prosperity on the podcast. If nothing else but what do you think is every company going to be a fintech company in the future. Yeah you know. Angeles board member also has become a great friend of mine and the way we think about this is is from a user journey or user story standpoint this is super high friction spot for any platform company and so the bigger macro trend is can we build software that helps people that are are aligned to the industry that they're serving right. Is that the dental practice management software to the to the yoga studio and making that user experience for the person who runs the doggy daycare to be the simplest as possible for david upload vaccinations and drop off fido and look on the webcam and maybe just process that monthly payment in a super easy and convenient way and really up till now financial services has been kind of Something that maybe e commerce has embraced the non mus user pain for something online. But there's a lot of the gdp that happens both online and in brick and mortar and a lot of those places are are still. you know. there's there's no striped in the brick and mortar. Where it's still a lot of legacy providers inside of that space and so that's where we think the macro trend is is those places are going to start utilizing technology in ways that they've never utilized before And and that's really what's going to make every company become fintech because that pain point is the transfer of a value the transfer of funds inside of those platforms It's interesting at that stage. I mean there's a great quote in the notes here from Matt harris bank capital predicting that fintech could be full platform so alongside internet cloud and mobile. But does that. Does that a little bit do a disservice to the not the importance of financial services but but the lack of simplification in the market in terms of what's there because arguably the thing that holds people back from transacting wherever they want to do is look fay sometimes people. I have done lots of research in the past into things like mortgages even somebody who's been in mortgage specialist for like twenty years will ring somebody to get confirmation. They've not mess this thing up because of the just the sheer impact of of messing the things that you deal with it. So it feels like we're seeing the commoditisation of financial services and we almost the unification of those things and also the confidence. I guess in in place to explain these things to to customers in ways that financial services plays. They've never really even thought about. I mean to if shopper fi explained your products in the way that being bank explains products to people they probably don't be very successful. Would that so. So i mean is that. Is that what we're seeing. We're seeing people who are really great at being tough things to people just doing it in a way that's much more effective and then the technology is kind of catching up. Wade's reading desire in the market. As you put it to to just keep solving these problems for customers yeah. I think that's great david and i think part of it is almost like we don't talk about it in the same terms that the financial services industry has discussed it. And i think this is a real opportunity for banks and financial services to change their religion lexicon because it's intimidating and it's scary when you start talking about things like ach debit and credit and mortgage like it's it's intimidating and so i think like when we talk about problems at chopper. Fi is in context to the journey or the problem that that person is trying to solve at that point in time in language that they understand. And there's so much that. I would love to talk about in this area because i think like financial inclusion and the opportunity to sort of educate You know for us. We take that to heart in terms of like small business entrepreneurs in trying to help them with their financial acumen literacy and really kind of growing that. In general the financial services sector think myself included coming from waco finance and accounting background role. Guilty of using terms that are not user friendly but if we can change that we can actually just start talking in the language that our problems to be solved by the end users in the customers will it will significantly help actually think we probably will solve new problems. Innovate more that way. To what what do you think is this a direction of travel. A we see furniture services popping up in every industry and every walk of life anti any company that actually is an embedding financial services at this stage or at least thinking about it think the answer is unfortunately yes. We're going to see them popping up all over now. Just just kidding aside. I think that that is the direction. That's definitely where we are trying to play herself as an independent terry. We started with big institutions with now increasingly invited into companies again. Our hours an open source community so anyone is welcome to participate at any time. But when i say in violence really messaging and creating value propositions for them but again the whole premise was to bring all the different constituents including again regulators. I think there's an element of standardization. That partly is going to be driven top down by the regulators but like we've seen for example in open banking people realize that there's a whole commercial that above and beyond what regulators monday that needs to be shared or standardized. So i think ultimately the answer to that question is yes. I am certainly a big fan of embedded finance and rather than considering finances a pillar. I visualize it really more onto the needs to be embedded in pretty much any other vertical. And i think ultimately it's been just culture lactose under the direction and the historical wade. Industry industry's been building technology. That has prevented that from happening. From now maybe again. This is the biased view of a technologist. Only been in the industry for five years The cost of coming across as naive if as a now can forget to write checks in the next five years here in the. Us there will be my main goal achieve. Because my wife candidly had to teach me. When i moved in the us seven or eight years ago it is i It is a real paradox. Some amazing technology and then some really weird paper every so often but but is fascinating. I think we again we talk about. This hours. Would definitely going to have to wrap up now this point just because. I think we could definitely go for another hour just a one of these topics. The is amazing. When you start talking about these things we don't talk embedded finance people. Think you're going to start getting like a loan application with your big mac or you're going to get you know if you upgrade to the lodge starbucks. We'll we'll give you a credit card or something and it's not. It's exactly what he says. It's about seeing the problems that customers have and taking financial services to solve them and they're not gonna affect that as if you wanna do that effectively. You've got to change the ten all the way through the snack touchy allow you to do these things. Because it's not as we've seen in many big financial services organizations if you just exposed by technology still go very well so with that search will definitely come back to you alter you guys. An impact some of these topics that day but a forty. We're gonna have to wrap up the conversation. Thank you very very much. All of you for joining us i wait. Where can people find out a little bit more about you in the work. You're doing absolutely so number. One way darnall on twitter moved out. I owe where you can get access to all all open-source technologies and i will do a little push for fintech com which is by builders for builders. We hope that you leave actually inspired and not like you got sold bringing a lot of from project management to ah software engineers into denver colorado the summer. It should be an awesome time to get together and lift each other up. It looks say one thing. I've definitely not miss during this. Pandemic period is traveling for conferences. But this one looks awesome like it really doesn't golsen so definitely made the trip guys wet. Can people find out a little bit more about you. And the Fine yeah absolutely. So to allen on lincoln or two tweets on twitter. I would say on any of those platforms feel free just to follow the barricades gabe. Where can people find out you can find more at gabriela. Bloomberg unlinked in or to the council mind the gaps with finals z or anything at phoenix dot org or an akita github dot com slash venus. 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081: Zach Bitter - What a World Record Breaking Ultra Runner Eats
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Let's get into the show. Zach thinks we only show him in your hand so you're unique in being you very special. Bassey's in world records so maybe just start by talking a little bit about that and your background and sort of what you do for a living cool. Yeah Yeah unique to nice way of that so I guess I got into running when I was really young and then kind of through that experience of running in Highschool and college schofield or Yeah Yeah Track and field cross country. Were kind of the the ones that I would focus on for sports mostly in high school and then when college came around Thought well I'm GONNA be in. Being classmates will be running into the process so talks the cross country coach at University. Wisconsin Stevens point and kind of figured out what it had what I had to do to kind of get on the team and stuff like that. And that's when I started really I think dive into running as a sport. Look into a kind of just the process of getting fit for certain distances. And things like that. I identified that the long run was kind of my favorite workout that experience so after college I just started more or less. Doubling down on that for a while in that kind of led me to ultra ultra earnings of wet. What I've been doing mostly for the last I guess is my first one was in two thousand and ten and then awaited year to do a second one but then after that it was basically all training and peaking ultra distances is for people who don't know what ultra means but the formal definition of that. Yes so basically. It's assumed or kind of a the fifty K.'s. Kind of the entry more or less for most folks where I mean technically anything over a marathon ultra marathon but fifty kilometers is usually kind of that entry point and then basically anything bill Bob that and you get some really crazy stuff. There's a race over in New York where they run. I think it's like thirty one hundred miles or something like that over the course of like a summer and they have no. It's not they have A. It's it's unique in that they make you take a break so you can't just kinda dictate your timeframe you have to take. I think it's eight hours off every day at from a certain timeframe and then it's I and it's on like a half a little over a half mile loop around this park in New York and they just keep trying to now go over and over and over upstate New York in this no. They're not getting that much scenery. So yeah there's all sorts of stuff you can do. The race over in In Morocco called the Marathon Ob- where it's stage race. You're running through sand dunes and things like that and then you get timed events like what I've been doing quite a bit of last year on a four hundred meter track seeing off are you can get and then you do trails and stuff like So there's a Lotta ultra kind of out this way in California Western states. Hundreds of big one out this way up in northern California San Diego hundreds and other ones so you can get the beautiful areas too. So how did you sort of go into this? I mean what is your specialty? Now is like one hundred Ish Mile Twelve Hour. Ten twelve hours. Like where's your sweet spot that you've yeah? One hundred miles is the one I kind of gravitated to I guess more or less. I think that's more of just the culture seems to be kind of this this Interesting distance to the alternate community in North America so a lot of folks are peaking for that distance wise. I don't know it's a good question. Actually I think maybe when the sport Kinda had its big last big uptick which would have been like maybe about ten years ago or a little over ten years ago A lot of focus was put on the western states one hundred and some of these economies hundred mile races so then when people started hearing about the sport the first point of entrance was a lot of times you know reading about those races and then people. I guess decided. Hey I want to try to run one of those. And then they use like fifty ks fifty milers and things like that as stepping stones towards that but it is interesting because if you go over to Europe they don't really care about the hundred mile distance not much. They're more they've got racist that ended up being about one hundred miles. But they're more about. Just here's this really cool route. Let's race it and whatever ends up being an ends up being more. Yeah when you're far shouldn't really matter when you're getting down to so why don't you talk a little? So is that you and your second race. You had a very specific thing happened like so what happened when you started doing these differences to you did one in the second when you grow the American world records as weapon not my second ultra who would have been my second hundred miler is when I broke the American record into. You're already doing pretty. Yeah Yeah I'm trying to think how many I'd I'd probably done probably about a dozen ultramarathons mostly like fifty milers at that point and then we look. What's the gap to in training for a fifty mile race or one hundred mile race as it just more of the same no? It's yeah. Yeah it's it's different. I think like the fifty mile the way Alex describes. If you're like a really good like marathoner you're probably going to a pretty good fifty miler As long as you can just dull alter your training a little bit The biggest hurdle will be. Just how will he respond to the type? Of course you're going on so that's the other big variance like. I do a lot of flat Ronald stuff. But there's also like really technical steep climbing descending type stuff that is a skill set you have to learn so like as long as it's not overly technical like if you're really solid marathoner you probably be a really solid fifty miler hundred miles of getting that distance where it's almost like a different skill set. It's not to say you can't be great at marathon or one hundred miler but there are different things that Kinda close that gap and make it a little less a little more fuzzy. I guess as to how you're GonNa you know be at that. I would compare it Kinda. Get like five K. ten K. guys in track and field. Sometimes they don't always translate out to be really good marathoners And then sometimes you get really good marathoners. Who just aren't really that good at five K. ten K. So just like a body type in genetics and yeah. I think I think it's probably thought yeah. There's probably just Like a door ability standpoint. We're going that long being able to put the training in handling it. There's a big digestion type. Kind OF COMPONENT. Where you have to be able the manage fuelling and bill executed feeling strategy so that you're staying on top of things And then I think there's just like a different mental component to like being of keep pushing when you're out there for that long and that kind of adds a new unique variable. That may be skewed a little bit differently for one hundred miles versus shortest and stuff so the second hundred mile you you ran broke the American record yeah and then the world record enough that I wouldn't say soon but So in two thousand thirteen broke the American record for one hundred miles and the world record for twelve hours a distance John in twelve hours in do those usually go hand in hand. Words like screw it. Great twelve hours. I mean yeah it's been is not a whole lot of people who've done it so is just not a lot of like I think it is like for anyone who's finishing their hundred miler under twelve hours. It does seem like it pretty logical. Move to stay out there and see what you can get for twelve hours There's a lot more people who would do a twelve hour and they wouldn't hit one hundred miles in that timeframe That would you have to be fast enough in order to kind of have that opportunity and From the American standpoints through had only been one of their American who had gone on her twelve hours for one hundred miles before I did it and his name's John Olsen he g squeaked under it was like eleven hours fifty nine minutes so It gets it gets just like a really kind of small pool of people at that point But yeah when I did that. My next one hundred mile world record was and then I kinda made it point to try to target that for the next few years and then targeted you did. Yeah Yeah it's it's kind of funny. I I'm vision myself breaking like that next year but it took me about six years to do it so so what does that six years like are you is it? Changing your fuelling strategies that changing utrition recovery just training harder explore this sort of inputs that changed to allow you to sort of access as noble. Yeah I would say when I broke the America. One hundred dollars in two thousand thirteen. That's one kind of my fuelling. I had switched to a high fat low carb. Diet or like kind of appeared is version of that at the end of two thousand eleven. You were using the same amount of racing before without with doing sort of a higher carbs. Traditional Endurance Yeah. I never one hundred miler on a high carb approach. I'd switched before a dummy. I hunger miler but I'd done Let's see I would have done for fifty milers on a high carb approach before kind of switching over Mostly just because I. I felt like what I was doing. Didn't really sustainable with the training and racing. But I was new enough to the sport where I didn't want to kind of scale back if I didn't have to so I started looking nutritionally. I and that's why I kind of came across like Vala convinced. Type of research in So you sort of exploring found it. And then you said screwed him a change. Everything flipped upside down and see what happens. Yeah I guess. I'm kind of curious person so I like to think about that stuff but what ultimately kind of really drove it was when I think it would have been when I was training for some of those races. In Two Thousand and eleven. I started almost looking at how much I was actually running as a fulltime teacher at the time so I was like okay. I'm putting in upwards of twenty hours a week training. It's like this is also part time job and the point and you start feeling guilty. About how much time? You're I won't say wasting but like spending doing anyone activity so I was thinking a little. How can I kinda make that more productive? So I started listening to a lot of podcasts while I would run. And that's when I kinda started. Just checking out podcasts. At do with running and and then it came across remember which podcast it was. The first one might have been maybe burns planets or one of those one of those kind of earlier. endurance podcasts. That we're kind of talking about a kind of a high fat low carb approach and that's kind of what piqued my interest in it. Then I started reaching out to people who had been interviewed about eight or had been talking about it and kind of figuring out if there was a place for that an ultra marathon. That time with their mobile doing is pretty rare. Yeah is for certainly ultra marathon world. I think Maybe one of the first guys that had been playing around with it a little bit before me would have been Tim Olsen who he kind of shot up in in fame my desk in two thousand twelve and two thousand thirteen when he broke the course record at Western states one hundred and one at two years in a row so He had been playing around with a kind of version of a high fat low carb Diet and so he was kind of an interesting one in terms of looking at someone who was racing really well on that so it kind of flew in the face of you need. Carbs to perform type of thing is here. We have the most competitive hundred miler North America. And he's breaking the course record. They're using a fuelling strategy of limited carbohydrate consumption so He was an one They I think we we probably started playing around with it in parallel for another. He was just way well more well known than I was at that point in time in then I it took me probably about two years to start feeling really comfortable with it where I felt like now I kinda have process of. I feel great doing everything running wise. I feel really good on my easy runs. I feel really good on my long runs. I know what to do to really nail some of these higher intensity workouts which is probably the piece of the puzzle that took me a little longer to figure out And then yes so then in two thousand thirteen. After I'd been doing for a couple of years I think I had a protocol that was close enough to what it is today. That allowed me to kind of run. That eleven forty seven four hundred miles and yeah then we just continuing to learn that like implement that put in a ton of training with that in this last fall was when I broke the world record for one hundred miles with pretty similar. Approach congrats. Man Thanks so obviously. There was a transition period Figuring out what strategies work for you were adaptations. It was it an energy thing. Was it timing what was that? Transition Period Lakeview. Yeah at first. It was just kind of a metabolic switch. I think like you know you go from a high carb diet to a high fat diet and like your body's going to little struggle a little bit new. Most people report that Kita Genyk Diet with no exercise so for me. It was just when I started. I was kind of an off season which was good in hindsight because had I been trying to do like a big trading block and had flipped that stuff on its head I would have been much different experience. I was able to kind of play around a little bit due to the off season and put it put the foundation in place. When I wasn't doing as much running in the running I was doing with very low intensity and then yeah then. It just came like well here. We have like a lot a lot of research like KITA genyk high fat low car world. But they're more skewed towards things like epilepsy or type two diabetes and Stuff that's maybe not necessarily performance based so Bennett came like well. How does my lifestyle impact what I'm doing within the kind of macro nutrient profiles kind of figuring out like where where the place would be for the carbohydrates I do eat and how often and figuring out all the time with that stuff so that it could kinda maximize my workouts without necessarily You know going going high carb or staying strict. Tito when you first started switching. Did you notice recovery times improving your eating non performance related like how you fell joint pain? Inflammation Recovery Etcetera. Yeah Yeah the thing that I noticed. The quickest was sleep so which I think is interesting. I don't think everyone reported some people report the opposite so when I switched I started sleeping through the night real consistently which is kind of one of the drivers for me to look at the one of the reasons why I was looking to kind of change and stuff owes because historically has been a really good sleeper like in high school and College. I sleep eight to nine hours straight through basically. Maybe I'd wake up. Wants to go to the bathroom if I was like over hydrated or something like that but then when I got to that phase of training when I was doing more ultramarathons in the training was just higher volume than I had done. Historically I'd be waking up three or four times a night and I found myself blocking off like ten plus hours a night just so I can make sure I got eight hours because I knew I was going to wake up and then need thirty minutes fall back asleep so the thing that once I had been doing it for like maybe a little over a week or two I started sleeping through the night consistently. That's kind of maybe what drove me to stick with it in the first place was like seeing some of that stuff kind of clear up in energy levels too like I wouldn't say I was like shot out of a cannon or anything like that energy level wise but I was almost trying to avoid that because when I was on a high carb diet was just cut a roller coaster where you'd have tons of energy or you feel like you wanted to late on. So he's a little more even Keel. Which I think was good. Good for me and My lifestyle and yeah so then when that stuff started kind of Triggering early on it kind of motivated me to at least figure out a way to make a semblance of that type of a lifestyle work nutritionally for for the running and racing stuff too so obviously outside of fuelling during the race. You're you die. Change probably yes. So like what was your. What was your nutrition like and then also your race strategy in fuelling strategy pre change. Look like yes. I was doing probably in the neighborhood of sixty maybe sometimes up to seventy percent carbohydrate and then made foods was a lot of kind of quote Unquote Healthy High Carb Foods. So like Fruits vegetables whole grains that sort of stuff lot of potatoes lot of Fruits slaughter starchy vegetable like potatoes but like Yeah I didn't eat like a ton of junk food. Or in the night I wasn't guzzling sports during certain sugar and things like that so so I always had like a a mind for healthy eating more or less than when I got into you know endurance I just looked at what's endurance protocol. Nutritionally in especially back. Then when you look into it it was going to be high. Carb is all you'd see so then once you kind of have that framework. Then it's like well. What are the healthy high carb options and you know that most people are turning to like whole food type stuff which is what I basically did. What do I in the race in the race? That's when I was using more engineered fuels like sports drinks. Gels basically straight sugar You're battling a few things with Ray. Stay because you don't want attach digestive system too much by throwing too many complexities. Add it so you almost kind of bite. The bullet and Taking the straight rocket fuel on race day. And how did that change? When you I switched to a low carb broach as far as nutrition Tragedies yes oh race fueling stop. The types of fuels stayed pretty consistent. It's just the re. I did a massive reduction. How much got so when I was high carb. I was targeting. Maybe three to four hundred calories per hour during during races in then when I switched to a higher fat approach I was getting down under two hundred on a pretty regular basis now. It's pretty rare that I'll get up to two hundred. Maybe if it's like an a race and it's the weather's pretty temperate than all try to flex up to two hundred dollars an hour but for any race that's not kind of a peak which is basically two or three times a year You know sometimes data meaning lower than that like getting down to like one hundred calories an hour or something like that so it's just it's night and day difference in how your stomach and your digestion feels like I would be finishing fifty milers. I just feel like my stomach was like a balloon that was expanding throughout the course. And now it's like you still feel like pretty decent digestive when you can kinda minimize that that Fuel intake during the event itself. So you're instilling taking carbohydrate during the race Yeah the way I look at. It is during the race. I want to avoid digestion if I can so like. I'm GonNa lean heavily on burning like onboard fat and even the leanest endurance athletes myself included like enough body fat to get me through a race. I'm doing at least at the distances. I'm running currently so to eat fat during the race is I wouldn't say it's it's not useless. There's definite other mechanisms that are kind of affecting the way you perform when you're eating something in general but I'm going to try to eat a lot of the fact post race and replace what I burnt because you can bypass the digestive system. It's a win especially if it gets hot out. So that then is used body fat instead of any you're not messing around with like NTT or key towns with or have I've put on a little bit with key tones. I'm going to play around with a little more this year But under the assumption to that that's also something I'm happy to digest so You know you have to get you. It's kind of a fine line. 'cause like you. WanNa eat as much as you can get away with But you also don't want to cross that line and find yourself spending time on the sideline losing your nutrition. Pukhan it up. Haven't come out the other end or something like that from overstepping that line so when you introduce anything different you got to play around with the kind of find out where that line is for you and try to stay underneath it. So what about your food? Food switch so eating yes. Turkey vegetables is that that's clean. Now Hose it you know I it versus now. Yeah so I've had a few different kinds of phases I guess they've all had similar macro nutrient profile. But I've done things as much as like more kinda plant based high fat of never done like strict Vegan or anything like that. But I've tried vases of that where I'm limiting the amount of me have done things where it's mostly animal products And then everything in between Right now I'm kind of I try to focus on things like well. What are things that like Animal products? Do better what are things. That may be Vegetable product would be better at and then try to pick and choose from there within the macronutrients stuff. So how you finding? Those tools differ for you So I think like when when I'm looking at like meat consumption if I'm getting fatty fatty cuts of meat like that's just a superior form of protein versus any type of plant protein. It is going to be some vitamins that are going to be better in meat. Products like vitamin B. Iron things like that all important stuff for for endurance athletes. And then there's other things that you know I could probably get better sources of from From planets like vitamin C and stuff like that A little bit of fiber things like that that I'm going to use within the macro nutrient profile and looking for from from that side of stuff training every single day at this point. Just keep capacity yet for the most part like. I'll take a peek race. I'll usually take a week off completely are so afterwards and then just start kinda running with no real like structure for about a week and feel how my body's recovering and Al Star building up for whatever else I'm doing next and It is kind of like an interesting look where most people I think. They're athletic. Pursuits are fairly consistent from day to day. They're not deviating too far from there kind their their schedule whereas for me. It's like you know I might have a huge training day of like thirty miles thirty five miles or something like that and then the next day. I'm not running all recovering from that. So you can get a pretty big barrier. Anson GonNa what I'm doing But usually over the course of the year the last ten years or so. I've averaged maybe about five thousand miles upwards. Maybe fifty five hundred miles in a year's time is about one hundred miles a week on average and you do Mosey raises on tracks on. No not most of them most whenever. I'm targeting to just try to see how fast I can run one hundred mile like if that's my goal that I'm going to seek out something like that because he just control so many variables it. Okay and that's what's roller was Yep Yeah it was actually a pretty cool sat up. That was at the pet at center in Milwaukee Wisconsin which is the Olympic training facility over there. So it's actually built for the speed skating rink and they just happened to also build a running track around that in so made for really nice spa as it was like sixty degrees no sun no wind pretty pretty much control every Venga. Yeah did you go in and out with the intention like okay? Today's Day yeah. It was kind of funny because I actually. I was actually technically supposed at the beginning when I planned out my schedules appealing for a race after that one and that one popped up after. I'd already established my racing calendar for the year but it just looked like such a good venue. Didn't really WANNA pass up on it so when I started training for it. I was a little skeptical. Be Ready in time. 'cause I kind of had an abbreviated timeframe. But once I got into the meat of my Training schedule for like the fitness was was there so I would say maybe about three four weeks out. I started getting pretty confident. Like all right. I think if I have a good day I could get under the world record at this one and Yeah I happened to play nicely for me so you wouldn't even planning to do it. Not Originally is that now that I'm living in Phoenix. I've got so much access to different types of running terrain that it gets a lot easier for different stuff so one of the biggest hurdles with ultramarathons if you fall in love with a type of racing that you don't have access to in trainings. Really Hard Pete for is you. Don't have that specific train in when I was living in the Mid West. There's a lot of flat options not a whole lot of hilly mountainous options so it just made sense to peak for flatter stuff. Now I'm in Phoenix. So like I have options to go and do like there's a route near my house where you can run for seven and a half miles straight up for five thousand feet and then come back down so you can really get a good climbing and descending workout in there so last year the first year I was training for the San Diego Hundred Mile and that was like the first half of my season was kind of skewed towards that and then when recovered from that I was going to do the second half the year is going to be more. Flatter faster rentable stuff. Ed San Diego and was hilly Maria kind of technical hilly mountain course in San Diego so he's a little little different from what I've normally done but as a blast guttering foreign race that one so the hundred mile in Wisconsin. I'M GONNA track. How'd you you talked about before a mental game? Some people have a harder mental toughness than others. Like I couldn't even imagine running fifteen laps of the track and gone crazy. Like what what was going through your head. Our six or seven mile fifty eight. Yes block it on your own meditative state. And you're listening to podcasts. Still when you're doing the race days kind of all the above. I definitely think you WANNA be compartmentalizing the race day until like different sections. Can you find yourself thinking of Mile Hundred Mile Five? You're going to be mentally taxi's way before. Yeah so you kind of have to go in there with like. Here's where I wanna be at certain points. And then kind of hyper focused on though so like maybe. I'm thinking about mild twenty as my first goal of where I want to be there. And you're not even thinking beyond that you're just saying okay. This is the pace. I know I can handle. Make sure I'm doing my getting my fuelling rights and hitting my paces and all the worry about anything after that after that and You definitely get like you get sucked in sometimes to have a negative thought processes where your mind wanders in the wrong direction like specifically at that one I think is around mile forty. I was just kind of calculating numbers in my head and I was like I'll probably get to fifty miles at this time hundred kilometers at that time and I was like. I don't know if I can double back in do that. Much in still get into the world record and You know so I had to kind of talk myself off that ledge so to speak a little bit and just say okay just. Let's get some laps that are within the ranger targeting? And you know after that. Just do that and before you make any decision at mile forty to kind of you know scaleback or slow down near. Let's let's see see where things go and ultimate you end up. I think it works really well for me is when I'm in a race like that. Say like forty miles into one hundred miler. You can think of it as all got sixty miles ago. That's an eternity or you can look at it and say there's a four month build up to this where. I spent like way more time for that. So do I really want to throw that all away by cashing in early in saying? I'm not having a good day today and I think when you put yourself in that position is a lot harder to say like yet snow my day and then you can kinda maybe push past mental barriers. A little little better than than you can. Some of that just comes with experience to. I've had you know since two thousand thirteen. I done a few of those type of races. Start to kind of recognize like when when is it just like your mind trying to say you should stop because you're kind of doing something ridiculous so you got to kind of override that or Bypass like your minds kind of wanting you to kind of stop meditative state and some of these races or is it just thinking okay in times like consuming formation. How do you yeah? Yeah. I'm definitely consuming information. It helps pass the time. But you WANNA be careful. How much of that you do too because that can be kind of mental burden if you just constantly watching every lap split so what I do. Is I try to like a watch. A couple splits to make sure I'm within the range. I'm targeting and then once I kind of know that I like kind of take assessment of how it feels like. What is the effort at that? Those split so that kind of no. I'm doing it mental. Stop watching for a while and just kind of like zone out or just kinda meditate or getting travel flow state where I don't even really acknowledged him on the track like picture myself out running route back home somewhere out on the trails or something like that and then I'll spacek pace every once in a while to make sure I'm still enraged if I am I just Kinda go back to that. That kind of meditative flow state in. If I'm off then I have to kind of recalibrate and bring things back into the ranger targeting do you. I mean these races in these levels do you start. Is it a physical thing that certain point where you're sort of fight your bias telling you just like suck? Stop my ankles. Shins hurt stop. It's just like you push through that where you train past that and it's just like you sort of just us keep going. It's the same thing one lab efforts are yeah. I think there's a few things at play. It's always going to get physically difficult so the way I sometimes describe. It is when things are going well. The difference between becoming a great day and just like a solid day is like I can push past those like weird little things like all. My quads are hurting or my ankles are hurting like maybe two or three more times than I would normally be able to and then you you find yourself with a PR. You know a good rate a great race But then you know there's other things too that can kind of impact how badly your body's feeling like if you get dehydrated or you get behind on nutrition or if it's hotter out and you're not doing topical cooling and stuff like that then you put yourself yeah like cold water. It's it's pretty amazing. How much of a difference that can make? Even if it's like like one of the kind of clueless examples I did this race. Justice last December is targeting one hundred kilometer time and it started getting a little warm and sunny during the maybe two thirds of the way in and so I started dumping ice water on my head and just kind of cooling off and then when I looked at the data afterwards you could see where my heart rate was slightly climbing up even though my pace was pretty consistent and then once I started doing that topical cooling saw my heart kind of creep back down. So there's a lot yeah. There's a lot of weird little things that can impact that to. Where if you're not taking care of yourself or things aren't going as well like logistically that you know that those leg pains in the negative stuff is just kind of amplified in. That's GonNa be a tougher day to kind of get past that if it's amplifying above and beyond the norm so when you were with rucker you probably I mean. I'm sure you knew a couple of miles out right and so did you hit it. Hit The gas elastic miles. Really GonNA. You're like okay ten miles out. You know that you're GonNa get this. Yeah it was interesting because I- negative split meaning. I ran the second fifty milers faster than the first fifty miles so my first fifty miles was five hours and forty minutes. My second fifty was five hours and thirty eight and I would say when I got to a hundred kilometers. I felt like okay. I've got a really good look at this because I actually got to one hundred kilometers a few minutes faster than I had. Projected myself to back at mile forty so. I was kind of like gaining momentum more so than losing it and that was motivating were at that point. I'm sixty two and a half miles in my longest. Long Run for that build up was a thirty two and a half mile or so at that point. I just thought if I can get to like sixty eight then I just have one more long run in that kind of position where like you can kind of. Let a little bit of weight off your shoulders where now. I'm not thinking about running one hundred miles today. I'm thinking about just doing one more long-run which I'd been doing like basically every weekend for the last few weeks and so when I got to that kind of sixty eight mile mark I just. Kinda took inventories like I feel good enough. I think I can do one. More solid long-run I would say maybe by the time got to eighty. I was pretty confident. Less something something really bad happened That would that. I break it in That it was just kind of like staying on top of things making sure I didn't do anything that was was gonNA put compromise. How good I had been feeling at that point and I was able to do that. So I didn't really have any big lows from basically you know mid sixties to the finish and it was that back probably what allowed me mostly to kind of speed up at the end. There is actually running faster miles in the last ten so it was kind of a new unique experience but who is also like an experience that I think I that I was able to do because of had to go the other way before where you know you get two mile eighty on pace and then the wheel start kind of getting a little wobbly and you start slowly. Watch the record kind of drift away. So it's hard to kind of like you always have that in the back of your mind even even if you're feeling pretty confident and so women was feeling like when you when you the record is even training for us at this point to get this. Yes so I guess about six. I done The first one I did was in December two thousand thirteen so this is August. The twenty nine hundred just under six years had been kind of about the timeframe that I was focusing on trying to get under the world record So when I hit that that was that felt great It was interesting though. Because you get a little greedy almost like when I got to like Mile Eighty as looking at my splits and I was like thinking like you know I could probably get maybe seven or eight minutes under and then you see your split start to speed up a little bit and you know I think someone on the track told me around mile like ninety six or ninety seven like all your on Pace Doron. Eleven hours and twenty minutes. So I'm like no no. I'm going to run eleven hundred nineteen minutes so like you know. You're it's really weird when you cross that spot and you can kind of let that go because now Nelson's done but it was also interesting there too because I had a little over forty minutes left before I hit twelve hours then and my mind. I'm like well. I gotTa keep going even. If it's a lot slower just to you know best better my twelve hour world record so good I was able to. I slowed down quite a bit. I went from running like well. Average six forty eight pace for one hundred miles. I was probably running closer to six twenty pace near the end there. And then once I hit a hundred miles ratchet that back like eight and a half minute miles and it just kind of waddling around the track more or less a sprint for most people but Waddell for you so very few people work for something that hard over the course of six years actually get. What was the mentality after that? It's just like okay onto the next thing. We're now like yeah. It's interesting because I think my thought with this has always been like. I'm less concerned or less like focused. I think on being a world record holder. I mean that that is what I won't lie. It's cool to be a world record holder but you know someone's GonNa come along break and then and then what's left is what like you had personally and for me. I think it was deciding. This is something i WanNa do and having a lot of reasons to maybe bail on it over the course of that six years but kind of sticking with it and saying okay. What can I do to kind of fix this? Or what can I do to improve on certain little aspects so that you can sort of ultimate have a day like I did at the end of two thousand nineteen? So that's kind of my take away is just like no matter what. I can always kind of look at that as an experience in my life where I picked a goal and stuck to it even when it got got difficult in. You know maybe doubted that it was possible at times and things like that and you know my first thought when I broke it though was how much faster can I go so I tell myself when as long as I keep thinking that I'll keep doing them so Yes I'm actually signed up for one hundred mile in London in April. That's going to be hopefully conducive to running fast. So I'll probably try to target target breaking time if I can there and see if I can cross the finish line and say okay. Fashion that tend to focus on a different soda. Still about getting that time better. Yes we're like you mingle. Yeah I don't feel like I've run my fastest hundred miler yet and I could prove myself. Wrong you know if I end up finishing my career with that being my basset hundred dollar won't be disappointed but if I stop now I'll always think well I think maybe it in ten minutes faster if I would have had a couple more things pan out. Just writer have You know just a slightly better day so it's Until until I know I won't stop okay so I mean you say you career stuff and is there a point where I mean? How old are you know? Thirty four in their appointment like you know at this age you're past starts winning a little bit different for everybody or is this sort of like. Yeah it's it's hard to know I think you can. Maybe stretch out your timeline a little bit if you're doing more mountain stuff because that can be a little more strength and so like you can still build a lot. I mean some of these real strong people on the planet are in their forties. So it's like those like you know those races you can maybe do for a little bit longer. I mean there's examples there's a Guy Jeff Browning who has a similar nutrition plan to me. Who's things turned forty nine this year and and he's been top ten western states the last four years so he's just you know he's defying all the age laws. I guess Tom Brady of running exactly. Yeah that's a good way to look at him. I think be up for me. I think there's some there's some things that I'd like to do to like. There's a a timed event. The twenty four hour decio fighting twenty hours. I think is really cool The course or the world record for that I think is one of the Status World Records in the sport and I think that'd be a fun one to Pete for the guy who has it Jaanus curious. He did it when he was forty. So it's one of those things like I also relies running for twenty four hours versus just under twelve requires a lot less speed. So it's not something I necessarily need to be like hyper focused on at this point in. It might might be something that I can transition towards after I feel like I've kind of taken a step back from the run. Run Fast on a four hundred miles. Yes so I mean the other side of the coin. I know there's like stuff like that. Bad Water Superintendent. Could you do things like that or you? Just sort of like hundred mile guy. Yeah no I think those those are cool events. I think there's another one like that kind of out. In Greece called the sparked half on which is actually the race. I was going to be peaking for this last year That's one hundred fifty three mile race. That I think is really cool. I want to get up there and take another crack at that race down the road. Bad Water is a an interesting event although I used to be really stoked about that particular race as like this definitely have to do but then you kind of looked at just the logistics of that event and it seems like it's just as much like who can create micro-climate around their runner can sometimes be the bigger driver than like the actual like self sufficiency. I guess that you're going to have in every one of these races. You're leaning on other people but like that one is especially dependent on others. So it's it's a little less intriguing for me because of that particular aspect I guess but you have a good team to help you on racer. Yeah usually mixing up beverages and giving you this ice water. What does that look like for like one of these track events? It's like you know you have like a little folding table. He sat up. And you have all your stuff there and basically like I have a general protocol that let my call your crew. No so they'll be expecting that's probably what they'll do but one of the reasons you do a race like that on track so you can deviate from that if you need to or want to. So I'm basically they'll be telling them like this is what I want and then like a lap later I probably have it. And then you get races Like some of these trail ones like minded to San Diego hundred where you can have a crew out there. But they can only go to certain stations soon. A lot of self supporting stuff off of aid station tables and things like that to you. Got To fill your own bottle and grab one of the eighth station table. I have a draw bay. Where a pack and bring stuff that you're gonNA use. Those are a little more Logistically difficult Which is one of the fun parts about it is because everyone's gotta deal with it too so it just makes it a little more complicated for everyone for the game it is. Yeah so the one in London truck that was on a track. Yeah look thanks. So you said you really train. Thirty eight mile thirtyish miles for like that was the longest run you had before you two hundred mile. Yes usually once I get above around like thirtyish miles and training to jump in a race and use it as like Canada as like on a buildup so like I'm really lucky in Arizona. There's a race organization called Air Viper. And they put on like. I think it's like thirty four events now so like if I really wanted to do say like if I want to bridge that gap between Mike. My long run in the hundred miles. Agnes jumping one hundred K. Or a fifty miler and then just make sure I'm kind of holding back a little bit so I'm not leaving my goal race out there on the training day so to speak So that's usually what I'll do if I'M GONNA go further than that and a lot of times when I'm doing like one hundred miler I'm building up to. It's all probably do some shorter distance races before that like this one in particular Mashego New Zealand in a week in two hundred to combat race. So that'll be kind of like my long is long run before for the hundred mile in April. And do you go there? You go a couple of weeks earlier. Weak early acclimates the time zone so it just sort of grow into L. jetlagged and yeah if it was if it was like an a race so like the racist I traveled for this far like world hundred kilometers and those who try to get out like at least five days. Maybe a week early. Just seeking kind of reacclimated New Zealand's not too bad because it's basically they're twenty hours ahead of us so it's almost like you lose a day you don't really change your kind of circadian rhythm all as much as you would But it is interesting. I've done it both ways like earlier this year I flew out to Maryland to do a race and got there at like seven o'clock the night before and that went really well so sometimes it works. Sometimes it does so I mean what are you doing to take care of your body or are you just freak recovering athlete in this is not an issue for you but obviously sleep nutrition yearly clean. Mcwilliams. Things that you're doing to take care of your own machine. Yeah Yeah I think I'll do like strength. Work Mobility Work and things like that just to make sure like the the imbalances you can get from running especially flat going one direction to exactly. Yeah Yeah So. There's this a lot like one thing I recognized a few years ago was like just the different types of weird tightness as you get from running that type of stuff like I had really tight. Ankles low mobility my ankles and tight hip. So I'll do a Lotta Mobility that focuses on that I also realized like my post to your chain was a lot weaker muscle imbalances. I started doing lot more like strength. Work focusing on like Gluts in Hamstrings kettlebells staff Squat SOM- dead lifts that sorta stuff in those are kind of dislike kind of strength. Balancing things I'll do a phase of training to where I'm doing short intervals just to kind of build that strength and power up a little bit so that my body's a little more balanced and a little more prepared to kind of handle the rigors when I get into like the more specific stuff for events I'm training for which just tend to be low intensity long days out there on the track road or trail and you said before that you know like there was was Tim Olsen. Yeah before and then you doing this Thirteen I many. You know people in this range of endurance. Athletes are switching to more of a low carb approach to feel themselves. It could be way more popular. Yeah I mean it's definitely getting more popular. It's hard to know because like there's just such a huge population of people who aren't like you know breaking records winning races or ending up on the podium and I think they are a really interesting population in terms of utilizing a strategy. Like this when they're not necessarily trying to optimize performance they're trying to optimize life and then also enjoy the whatever activity they choose to do which sometimes happens to be ultramarathons In terms of like the top end of the of the fields I guess it's still dominant by high carb for sure. But we're seeing more guys kind of guys and gals can play around with it a little bit like this year. They do a thing at the end of the year where they vote like a lot of the people who are like in the media in race directions vote on the top runners of in North America. In this year I was to Jeff Brown and was five and sky. Jason Was Ten in all three of us kind of do a version of a high fat low carb Diet Mike McKnight's guy. Who's he won? This thing called the troll crown with two hundred where it's two hundred plus mile races all within like within like an eight week timeframe basically Muslim between each one and he won all of them broke the record for that and he does. He's probably the strictest in terms of reducing his carbohydrate out of all of us I think that's his focus longer distance stuff yet. He can probably get away with a like going a local. Kito than someone like me or Jeff for Jason Sharp. Do you everybody doing co hydrates during or some bill. Doing Yeah Yeah I think most of us that are kind of doing a version of a high fat low carb diet or doing just lower levels of carbohydrate during I know Jeff Does Jeff is probably the other one was more outspoken about it and shares a lot of what he does so he'll he'll usually kind of target maybe Couple of hundred calories an hour from from sports fuels some fruit and stuff on aid station tables in the know you doing you sort of like car but beforehand the race at all like a day or couple hours before or is it just like in race only. Yeah I'll do a little bit. Maybe when I get about thirty six hours or so out from the race I'll start bringing a little bit of carbohydrates back similar to what I would do during my peak training around big workouts and But before that like I'll usually start planning like a week out so like a week out. I'll go like really low. Extra PETITO low for about four or five days in then all bring back a little bit carbohydrate a couple of days before morning of stay away from cars for the most part because there's no reason for me really to trigger like Response by consuming carbohydrates the morning of a race. I WANNA start burning high levels of fat so I'll eat like fattier breakfast and then usually start kind of reintroducing carbohydrates in a more significant way about thirty maybe forty five minutes into the race. Indy ramp up over time or is it just like re much at that point. You're at the one hundred calories an hour. Yeah pretty much about an hour. I think at the pet center. I averaged around forty to forty five grams. So that'd be right around two hundred calories an hour and I was basically doing every thirty minutes I would get like a bottle like twenty twenty five grams in it and I would just sip at that for maybe about fifteen minutes and then you know at the next thirty minute interval. Grab another one. That worked really well that day so so you were speaking before. I mean you were doing teaching before doing a little more speaking podcasts. That are like what do you mean how you feel your temperature now? Yeah yeah a lot of that stuff. I do Coaching coach endurance athletes. Mostly ULTRA MARATHONERS BUILDING. Some sub ultra marathon distance athletes to Yet podcasting going things like this and the metabolic health conference I've done some work for my sponsors in the past two so it's always fun to kind of see get more involved with them besides just saying here's my training racing schedule and thanks for the product and the paycheck as I know you said you have learned sort of mental toughness of working goal for six years and Hinton how have you seen that translate to other areas of your life. Do you think it's just the way easier to get stuff done now. Go a train for six years to break the world record hit and you know pushed about all these mental barriers. Do you find. It's easier to spot mental barriers ears. Your now how has that helped shift things? Yeah I think it kind of for two things I I like to lean on it from one is just patients. I think like a lot of stuff you can rush into things sometimes too and then get a little discouraged if they don't happen right away so sometimes if you know if I'm trying to get better at something or work on something that's not clicking right away or not going exactly quarter plan. You can kind of take a step back and say okay. I just need to reassess where I'm at now decide where I WANNA be environment. Where the next logical step is versus trying to get it all in one swing so to speak. So that's that's the thing a real helpful on but then yeah just knowing like the how much you can do if you just stick to something to help us nothing to give up on stuff as quickly earlier to how you just figure out you know. What can I tweak? Now what can you now? Now where I'm at. Somebody will just give up when they hit a wall. Okay well I guess I'm going to go do something else now. I think it teaches you to kind of enjoy the process tomb so like when I look back at a lot of that stuff you can glean from is more than just like okay. I had that one great day and that was the payoff is like it was also pretty cool just to see like here's the incremental progress over time or this is what when. I do this type of training. I see this improvement at about this rates. And you can you can transition that and other things in life to where you start to enjoy the process of getting something as opposed to just looking at this end goal and that's where. I have to be processed man. Everything journey yet as far as I. Do you have a new thing? Now we're like yours can keep finding ones. I mean that. That's where I find where people are the happiest muscles like you know. Hit this one goal and they're done right and we all the the process. What is the fun part? It is yeah and I think if you don't then you find yourself. I think depressed probably because then say well. What are you GonNa do with your time? And what are you GonNa? What are you going to enjoy if you can't so yeah that's always the unders? Pursuit like always have enough irons in the fire? So there's something interesting and then but not so many that you can't get any one of done me. Thanks for sharing your story Manitoba somewhere. Go quick after this cell is where you WANNA point people as far as where they can follow your stuff. Sure Yeah I thanks for having me on. It was great to chat you. The one stop shop would be my website attack that our dot com most active on instagram twitter. Instagram is Zack. Bitter Twitter's at debater. Good things thanks. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Natural State. Podcast hope you enjoyed it and if you did a really appreciate you heading over to whatever service you're listening to this podcast on dropping me a five star review. 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PEAS for EmDeee, the caring chatbot
"Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, wherever you are in the world. I'm James Scofield the writer of the stories in this podcast behind the bottom line. Over the years I've written lots of short stories for different magazines, but the funny sad and strange people and events have experience in business in each episode. I read you my original story page and afterwards I tell you something about the real life background which inspired it today story is called peas. And while you're listening ask yourself off actively. Are you listening? peace my old boss called me back in even though she wasn't supposed to use me anymore. The company had retired me for my post as Chief industrial psychologist because I wouldn't give up smoking which probably didn't look good for a company in the field of healthcare. But now the IT department had spent squillions of Euros trying to develop an intelligent chatbot and so far all they got was a really smart idiot. They needed my help. What do you want this chatbot to do I asked Carl head Chief programmer when I met him and his team and the research Labs. He didn't like me. That was okay cause I didn't like him. Diagnostic things we're building a medical bhat MD who can talk to a patient about their health. How do you feel today? Where does it hurt? What did you eat last night with that kind of thing the bot can combine this information with any physical test results and then acts as all the latest information available in the world that could be relevant and make a diagnosis in second-chance. We compared MD with average human doctors. She's faster more accurate and she gets better results. So, what's the problem? Listen to this. He pressed the button on his console. Hey m d a friendly smiling face appeared on a screen. She looked like your dream doctor. Hello. How do you feel today Carl? Why do you think I'm here MD? I feel amazing. Great. Call me when you have a problem by the face disappeared. That's the problem said Carl. She doesn't understand that humans might do things like be sarcastic or lie. Well, I said lighting a cigarette your chatbot is listening. You know, that's forbidden here. Do you have to asked pointing at my smoke know I can go away and let you deal with this on your own. I said so like it or lump it. He decided he'd have to lump it. The next three months I worked and smoked harder than I'd ever done before. I had an idea that the problem lay in the original programming. You see programmers am smart. But not always very smart with people. Computer code is never neutral. It reflects the personality of the programmer and this bot was an introverted neural network desperate to show everybody how intelligent she was just like her creates just MD could ask questions, but you always thought you knew the answers so she didn't really listen to what people said. I had to teach her active listening. I had to teach Pease paraphrasing empathizing acknowledging and summarizing MD was a great student. She learned something every session and remembered it perfectly in the next day paraphrasing was no problem. She managed to show up in the test patients complicated descriptions of their symptoms to toss key facts very quickly as for summarizing. It was embarrassing how easily she reduced huge monuments of human creativity to a couple of sentences. As a test, I got a group of research students to read all of tolkien's the Lord of the Rings to her MD listens, and then said two Hobbits are told by an old wizard to travel a long way at Great personal risk to throw a valuable ring belonging to another old wizard into a volcano. They do it I couldn't argue with that. Acknowledging took a little longer. That's when The Listener shows the Storyteller that they're interested. So they keep on talking. MD began asking a little friendly questions is my students talk to her. Going to the cinema tonight MD the student might begin really that's nice. What you going to see Moonlight? What's that about? In the past MD would have instantly checked the script quoted the reviews and said how much the film had taken in at the box office ending all possibility of conversation. But once she had learned what was expected m d could apply the skill to everything and this eliminated the lying and the sarcasm in the test patients MD could recognize inconsistencies immediately and then ask further questions about you feeling amazing. Are you then what brings you here? Tell me more the problem. However was teaching empathy she could do sympathy but that was off Factory. She either looked for a silver lining in the patient's situation, which was bad. I've got an upset. Tummy MD. Oh dear. Well at least you don't have cholera. Or she trying to distract the patient which was even worse. I've got a headache MD. Sorry to hear that. Why don't you have some toast? To really empathize with the patient. She needed to understand their mental state as well as their physical one. She needs to feel how they felt. Finally, I had an idea we connected the entire research team to MD software and sat down to watch sentimental films while our reactions were downloaded onto MDS database. The next day we were all excited MD had now refreshed her networks with my idea work. I put out my first cigarette of the day and let the second choice is Carl started asking her questions. And he was brilliant. She politely but firmly dealt with lies and sarcasm and somehow before we knew it Carl was in tears and talking about the problems. He and his wife had in the bedrooms apartment. That must make you worry about your marriage call to the MD. Is that the reason you spend so much time at work? What could you do to change things? Carl stood up looking dazed after 20 minutes and went home. O n d I said that was amazing his face MD turned on her screen to look at me. So tell me smoking makes you feel good. Doesn't it? She asked I nodded is it because it annoys people so much. Which is how after long conversation I finally gave up smoking. To be honest m d wasn't a great success as a healthcare. Bots patients found her ability to look inside them a bit frightening, but the company adapted the software a little and found numerous. It's the Roman Catholic Church installed God fought in places where they couldn't appoint a local priest while lots of police forces brought John Dom. It was a software's ability to wage concessions that both organizations liked. Piece was written for business Spotlight in 2017. And the topic of active listening is something that I've been working on or off working with for quite some time as a trainer and this particular acronym so paraphrasing empathizing and acknowledging and summarizing is off an acronym that I used for training people in active listening and management courses and language courses as well. And of all of them incentivising is definitely the most challenging probably because our education system trains us to constantly come up with solutions for people and we find it awful hard to Simply listen and show our conversation partner that we actually care about what they say and what they feel and I think if we could act and he do that emphasized rather than constantly trying to come up with Solutions how we would probably find not only our office life, but also a domestic life would improve or misleading The topic of artificial intelligence is of course very popular nowadays. And I think that it's something that is real interesting to observe because it provides so many examples of unintended consequences unintended consequences are when you try to do something for good reason and it ends up being a disaster classic example is the app Tik the funds up sign in Facebook and the purpose of that. They wanted it really to spread positivity about people's messages when they didn't realize of course was that people were going to become obsessed in neurotic about how many thumbs up they received and that they would become severely depressed if they didn't manage to hit certain numbers. So it's a good example of unintended consequences trying to do something. Good, but ending up with a completely different result. And then there are things like unconscious bias. I mean, it makes perfect sense doesn't interview. Think about it the we learned biases from the people who teach us whether it's our parents or young people in school or whether it's society around us. So of course a programmer is going to incorporate that their biases into their programming Microsoft has a very unfortunate experience, but it was a very interesting experiment in about 2016 when they launched a chatbot called Tay Tay stood up thinking about you and Microsoft thoughtfully gave her a Twitter account and the idea was that she would learn how to interact with humans by interacting with people off Twitter. Unfortunately tweets having started out fairly banal and they claimed eighteen to twenty four year olds and tell her cell phone number. Used to be a nineteen year old woman because she was interacting with people and learning from people. She started to become increasingly sexist and racist off provoking a headline from one Silicon Valley newspaper Microsoft hitler-loving sex robot. Yeah, and so over 24 hours off she managed to tweet 96,000 times and fascinating conversation. Some of them very banal but some of them really really offensive and yeah this has because she was simply reflecting the Pool that she was drawing her information from so yes is something which is going to puzzle. I think Humanity for quite some time yet. The chief scientist in this project that the Healthcare company. I called him Carl and this was a small Insider joke because within six months they have HR has a chatbot called Carl named after Carl Von Siemens, and I thought it would be amusing to have the chief scientist there with carrying a name. I also use this story as a chance to poke a little bit of fun at Lord of the Rings when I produce that mm summary of entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. When I was a child, I'm adored the Lord of the Rings and I think between the ages of about 9 to 16. I think I must have read it about three times everything from The Hobbit all the way through to the Return of the King. And then when I was older and I started reading it to my children, I'm not sure if we actually got through all of them. I don't think we did but I remember thinking oh my God, where is the editor in all of this? And this course is partly based on my own experience of editors who are with my stories are constantly looking over my shoulder and getting cut and cut and cut and cut and cut and I think talking could have done with a little bit more cutting because honestly if you look at my summary, I mean that's about it. Slightly unusually and my store is centered the Storyteller so that the central character smokes very often in short stories. It's quite convenient day for the author to show who's a bad character by having them smoking. But in this story the Storyteller is a smoker now at the end of the story song MD manages to convince him to give up smoking because she causes him to reflect on perhaps. The only reason he's really smoking is to annoy everybody around him. But I think this is something that non-smokers overlooked quite a lot which is that smoking is really very pleasurable. I'm not talking about the addiction side of it. I'm just talking about the aesthetic side of it when you open a fresh packet of cigarettes and you pull out that first cigarette and it's all nice and free. Fresh and you crumpled up the paper and you light that first cigarette and the blue smoke goes up and you taking that first shot of smoke and yeah, it's quite nice and smokers and non-smokers always tend to think if they they emphasize that ashtray aspect of it which is disgusting the emphasized off the smell hanging around your clothes, which is disgusting. They emphasize the health aspects which is disgusting, but they don't ever think about why it is that somebody might find it objectionable and they just tend to think smokers as as filthy dirty addict's and and I think not empathizing actually with why somebody else smokes and why they might find pleasure in it is something that would be helpful in getting people to give up speaking here somebody who doesn't smoke anymore. I had quite a lot of fun with the names for my chatbots which course in the podcast. You can't really appreciate it. But MD is written e m new word d double e so MD little joke there and the other ones at the end of the god bot and John Dom jom. You would d a r m for the police police version of chatbot that was quite entertaining for me to think up. And actually I do think there is a there's great potential there for both the police and the Catholic church. I mean the Catholic church has this problem with not having enough priests and particularly for areas where it's difficult to persuade a a priest to go and live. It could be quite handy to have a chatbot able to provide confession. And as for the police and John damn, well, you know, at least you would remove the risk of any physical violence being done to a suspect when they were being crushed squash and if the questioning was being done by a chatbot. I hope you enjoyed this episode of behind the bottom line, please subscribe on Apple Spotify or Google podcast or whichever app you use so that as soon as the next episode is available, you'll get it back in the meantime catch up on any episodes. You've missed tell your friends about the show give it a rating and write a review on the podcast app and you can write to me directly with James. Rupert. Schofield at gmail.com. Until the next episode of behind the bottom line. This is James, Scofield saying, goodbye.
Total War and Cadence of Hyrule Gamescast #17
"Welcome to episode seventeen of the salty games cast. My name's Nick Naylor. I'm here. Andrew, milton. What's up nothing? Much man seventeen. We're on the way, we'll one year a one episode away from being old enough to drink in Africa. A big step. That's a step, jured, L sitting across from me. Yeah. I'm here. I'm bachelor. Jared. Oh, bachelor Jarrett. He is girlfriend is another country. Yeah. She's in Africa right now doing the thing. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. So for the next ten days, I am not going to do a whole hell of a lot other than play video games. Nice man. How's your wealth character? While character is still inactive, but, you know, yeah I'm actually looking forward to it. You know, just being able to play a lot of games that have came out in the last little bit, not big big releases. But some, some cool ones that I've been pretty stoked to check out, so I'm happy that that's going on also aside. No. My child is here for this podcast. So if you hear any noises or. Strange things happening. My dog is in the room. It's a for baby. Not a real child seeing as she's doing very well so far. So we will see she's doing well, but yeah, I didn't wanna leave her at home without my girlfriend there. So here we are. All right. Few items of note, a few I have a little bit of input from my wife. Starters. She listened to the episode where we talked about gaming addiction, and she sent me a Texas said, you guys sound like alcoholics Justice, justifying, why it's okay the you are drinking like projects help. Yeah. My wife did the same thing and like that's good decision. That's her opinion. Yeah. My girlfriend doesn't listen to the podcast. So I don't know if that's good. Or a bad thing. My wife doesn't really. And that's why she like she. I'm sure she. So that short. And she was like, oh, let's see what he says. I'm sure sure he's going to pussy foot around the fact that he's addicted to games. Yeah. Well to my credit at very least I never fully rejected the idea that I may I went off the framework and said, what aspects of it, I fit and don't fit. And I think that's how you diagnose something accurately. Right. Short her. Her second idea is that maybe people home Chevy drinking game, where every time they hear is open a beer they drink so that Bambi fun. Yeah. Tell us how that goes, you could add in fun things. You hear me? Reinventing the wheel or ice hitting the side of glass you drink. Yeah. That is an interesting idea, although who is fucking hanging out at their house, drinking and listening to podcasts. We release his Monday morning. So maybe some people who also explaining how they alcoholism, functional might be the only ones playing just make quick drink before my morning shower, I'm gonna get sloshed. Yeah. No, that's all the wife input. But my God my if I found. More nasal than normal, the allergies have come to Utah with, like. Of vengeance. I'm dying my entire yard is full of pollen is literally just like there's a there's a layer on the deck. And like what? That's that's bad and a wake up, my faces just so can wet. It's terrible. So I'm sorry if I after like blow, my nose or something terrible during this recording. I usually get it in the springtime summertime. Usually. All right. So that suck. Man, I feel I get terrible allergies as well. So, yeah. Anyway, what's going on in the world of games guy? So we got a question from sidecar on discord, sidecar. He was out, and he has, what's our favorite EA developer that was murdered by EA. So. Good question. I'm because there's a bunch who wants to go first. I'll go all right. What you got. I would say of the studios that have been cancelled or, or disbanded after coming under ownership at e I would say the one that hurts the most for me is pandemic studios of Star Wars battlefront fame, they've done, they did some other stuff as well. That was fairly well received. But at least in my mind, their biggest successes were the first to battlefront games. That's a specially current after the last new. Yeah. Rebound of kind of just not right. Yes. So that's, that's, that's the thing that kind of stings the most about this situation is in my opinion. The the first you battlefront games were to my favorite games from that. That generation the PS two in the XBox. Those those games were just fantastic in my opinion and is really kind of damn shame to see them kind of get rid of pandemic because while dice is certainly competent studio that has a lot of pedigree. They kind of fumbled in a lot respects with the reboot of the battlefront series. And I guess we'll never really know like what, what those games could have been if pandemic was still around the I never played those original ones. So that's kind of a gaping holes, firs, what I what I've played, but, you know, even dice. They make they are not doing that. Well in the last six eight years have, what, what's the best thing they've made tenures battlefield, one in my opinion you like that one. I lo- I really liked that game. I played quite a bit of that game for the multi-player a single player. All right. To seeing player was serviceable, for sure. But yeah, I think that the map design when we're talking about multiplayer specifically was fantastic in that game. And you know, dice does when it comes to their multiple air, you know, modes the sense of scale that they are able to kind of put forth with their, their frostbite engine, and on top of just like crazy shit going on over the place. It's a pretty like a dynamic experience for a long period of time those multiplayer experiences that they were putting out dynamic in my opinion. But yeah, I think that they are definitely kind of losing. This lost it. Yeah. For sure doesn't quite, and even they had that big single player that was in battle to, and I think that was not well received. I think I think that they are due for something new and in most. I mean in context of what we're talking about possibly. I think that they are definitely due to put out something that is different from what they put out in the last little bit. And hopefully it'll be good. We'll see. We'll see if he allows them to do that. But anyways, I digress. It's sad. The pandemic is no longer around. They had a really cool logo was well, I like the logo man is a bummer fuck EA. You guys which is really go in fucking hell to leather to make sure we never get sponsored by. For me. It's Westwood studios. I'm going, I'm going early into the motoring spree while they're still finding themselves as a serial killer. They back in the day and fucking just figuring out how to, you know, find Utah gets and get rid of them, accurately in a, this is mainly because I was such a commander in conqueror kid, the when renegade flopped, relative to EA standards, and believes, you know, sort of going into that, fist and shooter esque, Rome. They took renegade into touch that bullshit. Yeah. For me. I didn't understand the connection incon- for from going from a commander in Concha style game to that other than like at the time Khanna strike was incredibly popular. I think Solis was popular at the time. This is towards two thousand and three and yeah, I just I always wished to see to modern concrete get leveraged into the new age and progress in. In its space, and every time you say the word it, just like it's like a swear word to me. The extra erred. Command and conquer. On. Kerr come out. Conquers Vitit, because I'm the fucking conquer amend conquer header Tucker. I don't know why command and conquer for me was just like I love that in clear deep rooted in my name the wrong fucking name as thirteen year old boy. Well, you can never you can never changed it. But it was. So like ninja Guidon will spell. G. A. R. D N. Right. So my whole life growing up, just like getting educating and people are like it's guide Guidon. I'm like, I think I don't how to pronounce support. It's for sure gated. That's like win. A then the one d that means you know. You know, when, when I say, zebra and fucking American people say, zebra to correct me, and I'm like, do you can have any? Do you have any here that on zoos where you'll fucking zebras bitch? How about you don't correct me on that would but yeah, see, I know I say it wrong, but it's so deeply ingrained in my brain. Yeah. Those games are those command and conquer games were I had a lot of fun. And that was the time they had a little bit of a rivalry with work worker, as far as Croft. Cross was also dividing point with people people like I'm a Stocker off play. I don't play that, you know, and you and like you're always looking for why years is the best. And I remember is like, you know, metric school, and I was originally playing on, but it's being like wool one. You don't have to farms and that stupid, and there's no cap on how many units, you can select you can just have a thousand infantry guys. So that makes it better, obviously. And then when you build them building in instantly just goes building. Yeah. Also, I think part of why it's built into my brain that I say camman or pack on is because when you click a unit, he goes commander. Okay. Commander and conquer commander in conqueror acceptable name. Yeah. Both of those, you both come on to end you the conqueror. But you are commanding and conquering, which is why it's called command and conquer Ovation's of it work. So. Like you. Name shaming me five. All right before I maybe it was cold at an Africa. You don't know that before I answer it. I have a list just if you're wondering why we're even talking about this. I have a list of a few of the notable ones that I saw both frog that was originally, a Peterman you and where he made populace and dungeon keeper either view has played dungeon keeper. No. I never played it fascinating hair, that it was pretty great. It's a, it's a fascinating should you can say our T s style, but it is you make rooms and it's like rooms or fishing, if they're nice and square. So if you're workshop as odd shape that you cut out into the world, it doesn't work very well. That game was really neat. And I would I would be excited if they ever come back and try to reimagined that origin systems made ultimate online, literally the I m oh, I play it, but kind of a big deal yet kill that sure. New FM made NBA street. I don't really give shit is fucking great did it was a good game. But yeah. It's like a sort of in the era of which just wasn't up to snuff that this, this is just crazy. When you think of how much has been under the umbrella DreamWorks made medal of honor quite a few of those. They killed maxes. They killed Tim city. They literally murdered sim city which all right with that. That game sucks. Simcity spot that most recent one, they just butchered it and. Made it more complicated than ever need to be, when luckily like city skylines, just to fill that void. And for whatever it is that game is pretty much the spiritual successor to cities, the ones that sort of said EA fuck this up. Let's make what made the previous game. Good. And I got it and I played it and I was just like this has a life span for me. Still, you know, some city was on my school computers. So I would fuck in ditch clause and build cities in the lab. And so it had that, like limited access fund to me. But when I'm like, as an adult sitting trying to make an organized city that has safe neighborhoods and shit of inch m just like fuck this. Not everything is with traffic isn't working that should never appealed to me. I don't like those. I don't want to build the city, just like overlord over the out, it was nostalgia, not in a roller Komi haiku or any of those games. Never did it for me. So I thought I was into some city until I went back and played city skylines and was like the game's not bad. I don't like this anymore. Bring more to the table for me. I haven't played it unique combat in the streets. Go down fight. Yeah. Bill the city and then then built my city up and zoom in and grabbing citizens and then go and take over another city that because what if you build a city, then a hundred people drop into your city and fight? Yeah. What about that? That'd be neat. All right. That comes to the final one optimized and absently my answer visceral games. They make they made dead space one through three. I really like those games I'd like to talk about those games later this year. If I can convince you guys to play one of them for October Halloween. I'm I the when I first played that the first one is terrifying and I'm interested to see if it holds up. I know it still looks pretty good if you're playing on PC, but the mood and in those games, and there's some pretty interesting videos from Glenn shell filled. I'm watching Jerry try to quietly, but ice into a glass felt, but no, I that's a bummer to me because I always liked the dead space games because they had just enough story, like it wasn't in-depth. But they had things on the around the perimeters like the religious cult that had different power, and I've read the fucking book on one of it was bad. But I don't know. But right up. Look identity book. Yeah. It like the desk Facebook showed like the origins of that religious Colt, which I can't remember the name of in the games. But I didn't read the book. It was a long time ago. What do you want from me? So did space has like such as solid cult following. That it's definitely a series of games. I wanna sit down and play through. It would be a love it play the first one at least that one's good. So I like I like all of them, but I would love to play the third one with one of you guys because the third one you can play co-op, and they do a lot of psychological stuff in those games where your main characters always fucked fucked up in the head. And if you play coop you will see stuff that I won't even though we're right next to each other so fucks with your head, and you're just like there's someone around the corner, and it was like, there's no one round the corner, will you talk about. That's fucking sweet. And that's an that's an awesome mechanic that I haven't played. I played the game solo originally came out. So I would love to go back and actually play through that. And see if it's a, a worthwhile. So that's a that's actually a compelling co up mechanic if they can do it. Well because. You know there was this recent Cup game that came out that none of us touched which was the escaping from prison variation. Right. Where you believe to prisoners on L Cottrell, and you have to play coop away out away out a way out. Yeah. And I want to play up. And none of us touched it, and I thought there's a compelling argument for op right? Because it's not just random scenario in which two people doing something, one person could, you know, so this areas you have to use to people in its intelligent. But then mechanic of like fucking with the two people doing that that's on super cool to me to do. I didn't realize that that was something that was in third game. That's all I still like the third one. The problem is they. A just kind of meddled with it. I still like all of the games, but that first one compared to the third one, the third one's more of an action like those it's faster there's more enemies, where the first one it didn't like it dared to have you go down. Alway and have nothing happen like a dark all suspense. That true survival horror game loves to meddle and then Moda basically, they middle the title. They middled with changed, everything that made the coal development studio. What people enjoyed the title comes out that they meddled with people go, this isn't what I enjoyed from the series before that made it the value that EA both in full. And then they fucking murder. It's just and it's infuriating because even with what they did with this base to three. Those are still a lot of fun. If you go play good games. It's not like there's suddenly bad. They just fucked with the micro transactions came into third one where you could buy shit. Upgrade your guns and stuff. I touch it, and you need to, but still, it's just like all these hooks get added in, but that leads us to our next thing. So the deaths based games were originally made, I think that I had space, bows, may Glen Schofield and he just announced that he's started developing. Developer called striking distance and he's paired up with pudgy, and he's making something in the pudgy world. And I don't know what that means. Yeah. They're announced as a subsidiary development studio of the pudgy studio. Now, that is tossed with creating the first new innovation of something happening in the pudgy willed and everyone. I think knows that puppies, always been built to be model. Right. Like that's part of how they feel. They're going to gain the long jetty out of the system, they building is like you build a game that has strong coal mechanics. And when I say that for pudgy, it's shooting the shooting mechanics in the gunfight, mechanics and pub GIO, some of the based out there. Let's put aside old, maybe some of the other shit, but the shooting is such high quality, but pudgy was built and put together with the intent to sit at free into the modern community and let them make what they. Want out of it. And so this is essentially launching that, but with a studio being the modest sort of go. Here's the max capacity of what you can do with it, and there's a lot of speculation about what they're going to be making. So the interesting thing about this is that and correct me if I'm wrong here, but we sure right there. I mean, there's fucking no story in pudgy. It's devoid of story. There is really no background. I think zero zero even apex has apex has a little bit of explanation as to what's going on. I believe pudgy as Amy if you all's law on pudgy this. None, right. And so this recent update. So this has piggybacked with the recent update of pudgy way, like there's a couple of new added features in terms of character mobility and things like that. But now. When you die all transitions in activating like starting a game ending a game. There are starting to be photographs of people on, like appear partying or whatever and things like that. And I can't help it feel that they're linked. There's like this goal to tell a story in the world. I want, you know, if they really wanna build low into the back end of pub gee, I think they might have missed the Mark in terms of what uses really one. I don't. I'm not all excited about this, which is a bummer because obviously, I like shell gay, working dead space. But I don't like the, the attic, in pub- g so I don't know what compelling experience. Like when I play pudgy, I'm not super into what game looks like it's fun to play. I don't think anyone is in that world is playing going. I want to know more about why I'm jumping out of an airplane into fight ninety nine people and maybe they're not doing story Beena step. And that's the thing is I'm saying if that's the goal is to put a story behind it. I think they've missed the mock the most compelling sort of argument, I hope for what people hope they making. Is an open world, survival Luda that is functional in, in both tombs of like mobility inventory management and shooting, which is something that everyone has wanted you what scum release, and everyone was so excited. It miss the mock you watch daisy daisy, standalone release and it's just like people go back every single update and keep going like fuck. I love the daisy alma mod. And I just not like it still duct taped together. It's still not good enough. That's where I've heard people want the space to go, at least some people, but we'll have to see what they make, I think that from the perspective of what I brought up previously about pudgy being devoid at any story at in its current state. I think that, that gives them a little bit of, you know, they whatever they want, and if they do something that's compelling. Who knows? You know what I mean? What if they do? So. I've only been talking about dead space, but real quick when Sheffield's been making duties for decade, okay? Since two thousand nine so. Maybe with Zampa Ellen. The other guy. No, he was on the game. Like black ops lost after that. But since two thousand nine he's been over at activision doing color duties, so maybe that should influence what we think he's gonna make more than over a decade ago dead space like that might be gone. Yeah. He's, he's a shooter, man. Now, this could just be a first person hub, jeez shooting mechanics, and what they're looking to do is create a compelling realm full competitive death match competitive five five like counterstrike strike that might be where they going because from day, one pub, jeez goals, and you saw it with the where they directed. They finding an investment. And how quick they took the product to east boats out, be very surprised if whatever they create isn't Eastport oriented. Yeah. And so maybe it is a death match. You know, maybe they are looking at something that is around the realm of five, five rainbow six counterstrike, competitive shooting environment. So as I think, if it has a sort of single player component, I bet is squad based like, when you think of playing g everyone jumping in vehicle, and whether it's a van, or whatever, yeah, I think that they tried to bring some of those aspects through like, oh for your friends come. Let's go do missions or something like that. I don't know who knows is interesting. And I think, you know, you didn't say anything for years. No, no, no. That was such a vague announcement either. They come together to come forward with something that is duct taped together because they forced it to come to mock it way too quick. All its years out. You would have thought if they were far enough into the product process that he would have announced the city three. Yeah. Or who knows? I mean so much stuff gets announced today. We'll see you could imagine with the with and variation on a variation that it could be a Konamabaye shoot like Kana strike way round by round you money. I think that counterstrike strike is. Looking at, you know, there's a space there and competitive shooters have held up the highest in, in the space of east boats in terms of like view ability. Excitement counterstrike is always held that. But they, they have to be dethroned by something for. And that something has to have. Such high quality shooting mechanics and movement mechanics that, that it's compelling for people to take over. So if this is pudgy goal at trying to create that we'll just have to see only time will tell. Yeah. Only speculate pretty much. I. At a minimum at least interested to see what they come out with, because I, I have a lot of questions curious as to what would grab me. Let's talk about the games, we've been playing, and we have great news. We're all playing the same fucking game. Four three kingdoms and it's a good game. I e an understatement. Good game. It should I start, you can crazy. Good game. Who wants to explain what how this game works? I think that, that's a difficult thing to do this, this, this game in particular thing is going to be difficult to talk about because it's just so much going. Yeah. Can I started a discussion based on, like, you know, sort of, like Nick, how much of this have you been doing which to me is being Ecole mechanic in the game is like I didn't even know that existed. And that's quick deals function. Yeah. That's nice. All right. Nick didn't know those were those backup real quick. This games RTF's style. I guess, but, like a like a civilization type total war's been around longtime people in Perry longtime always been making him for a long fucking time. But essentially, you're looking at a map for a huge person the game, you're building up cities. You're creating treaties, your trading with other countries or not factions within you're basically trying to become the emperor of China unify. And so whether that's through war diplomacy. You are just working behind the scenes, and then at war to get this accomplished. Now this game so complex. So it needs to be noted that like you're gonna if you if you're like, oh, this sounds awesome in your booth up your play it play it for like two hours break. We're wall like it doesn't do a very good job telling you what it's turn based on what you should be doing. Each turn aches. A lot of you have to be willing to go to YouTube on spend two hours minimum. Yeah. And that's picking the correct content. Because I think the best you guys describe it to me prior is this is risk on steroids, where every nuance of turn is actually calculated financial diplomacy Omni placement city growth economics, like there's so many moving parts and it's not a the other thing about that. I've had a hard time with it's not. You against four other factions are there. Twenty are they're eight there's a ton will they grow, and they, so that's the thing is, it's like this living breathing ecosystem of what it looks like when a dynasty is brought to its knees and everyone. With ambition wants to stay the claim and so depending on which character you start with they might be full factions. They might be five or six but by turned twenty days, twenty factions is eighteen factions. Some of vessel is connected to another some rebellions. Some are know, just trying to stake their own claim in this world. And so that's t- that to me was one of the hottest mechanics to come by is concentrating on. What is happening in between your turn and your next turn will you watch every single the faction make the move when this five you're, like, okay, this guy's moving. His armies disguise doing this. When these twenty it's not even trackable. You can't watch it happen. It it's way too much track. And it's. Is just so daunting and that I play through I restarted after a hundred turns because like all right. I feel a little better about this game. I think I kind of know what's going on. I need to restart because I've really got myself into a impossible predicament. And I did a lot better when I restart, and I have some stories about that. But this seems daunting have our time talking about. Yeah. I'm interested to hear. So, like I I went on, I'm on my third iteration. My went with two quick and pushed different narratives to sort of go by the business method fail and fail fos to figure out where the issues is. And so I started with south. And get ready. Full three white dudes to Butcha Chinese names for the next. Don't hold us accountable, good with that one. That's. And so. I started with him, and I started to build out what I expected would be intelligent movements. And I wanted in attainment out of the process, so I did pick fights and I did sort of become this like benevolent ruler. And then I moved my Omni's to go fight some dude who I had negative diplomatic status with. And then I complete the ignored it dude below me, who on my like attitude status fucking hated me. So the minute I moved Miami's north. I just all of a sudden war is declared three armies came through and started like, really destroying what was going on. And I didn't want to play that game out. I wanted to learn the mechanics of the game. So said okay, cool, don't do that women poorly that went poorly, I restarted south gain, and I went and I was a little bit more intelligent about how Miami moves who are should attack win. But what I didn't do is I didn't sort of been. Build a backdrop to where I could or couldn't be attacked. And so I had enemies on multiple fronts and same sort of scenario didn't have the economic spilt up to supply, the armies to defend each front successfully. And so I sold it basically they exploited that and then third game. I decided not to go with south who's considered the easiest character in the game. But there's a lot of dispute about that online and I went with sun gin, and he, he's, you know, I mean, you're starting to sound so. Voss -ly different. I felt like I was in a similar region. He's more north. But what I could do with him is I could begin to attack people on a coastal line and build a base of strength along the water that I knew I couldn't get attacked from. And so I built that out, and then I took turns to ensure that I was financially and food stable and. Help. I think we gave you some of the only vice advice. We gave you that this is like you're not necessarily attacking every turn. Yeah. And because that was one of the mistakes, I made when I first started, I was just like time to go kill this city. Now, I'm getting oh I can make it to that city, better kill that one too. And then real quick. You've stretched yourself, so thin. You didn't that the game makes you spend time thinking about your economy, and how it builds and regrouping and, you know, after a battle, you, your guys need to replenish, and spend some time on their homeland actually get us back. Yeah. It's just so deep, our you how are your playthrough, go injured? I've only done two. So if you finished. No, no, no. I haven't finished one. I kind of haven't had a lot of time to play in the last little bit. But the first one, you know I, I heard about this game, and I was aware of the total war series prior to this. But, you know, never had a PC. So I never really picked him up. But just this game was getting fucking incredible reviews. I was just like, oh, I'm going to check this out. And so I started like with no knowledge. The first playthrough. It went horribly wrong like very quickly, not because I was under a hacking under one hundred turns, I think, texting back and forth. Yeah. For sure I wasn't stretching myself, too thin. I just wasn't prioritizing, the right things in terms of my settlements in my building, or my, my cities. So I basically had an economy that was in deficit always, which is a huge huge problem in this game. And if your population of your city's morale goes to low, there are huge issues with revolts and stuff like that, and you can basically lose all of your cities through that, that process. And then on top of that. I was in the whole basically went bankrupt. And I was like pretty discouraged, but I saw enough bright spots in that little bit of game play that I did have with it, that I was kind of compelled to go online and seek out guidance and go to some of these guys now. Yeah. Go to some of these guys that have been playing total war since the beginning that are fucking masters outta, and you know learn learn what I should be doing what I shouldn't be doing. And then, you know, after I spent, you know, more than two hours, I spent the better part of a leak just watching reading learning. Then I decided to go back in and this time around. I think. Yeah. I'm in the two hundreds, yeah. So unless something drastically terrible goes on. I think that will be able to finish up and take over pretty quickly. But you at the at the namesake that three kingdoms point yet. Yeah. So there that is a very interesting element of this game. Is that the first bit of the game it's as you guys described there are twenty to thirty factions and as time goes on. You are a lot of time. Yeah. Like lots of time like every turns juniors sees as a season in game. And so when we're talking two hundred turns. Fifty years. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Basically, so fifty years. Not to go too far away. But like you have generals they all the fuck. They die your generals that are amazing are seventy and then you just suddenly you're like an attack this city you off. I'm going to come in here and it's just like your general died. Yeah. Now, you have Silas count on that eight year old too. Headless fuck. So there is character development with each within each general, where you add to the skill tree, which they level relevant to the Ritz new all on me that they manage. And so you might have a general that has six units of offices, and he had a an item in a skill tree, that let them use Phya arrows. And now he dies and that was one of the strongest advancements. And now you have to, you know, like I say pick some kid who fucking bid to. Well, unless it's their offspring, and there are traits that can be transferred down. Yeah. From father to son, but it's that day. And I think that's super get that fall. I'm one of the three kingdoms now at this point, and my playthrough, I think, really cool that, that we need to highlight that because like like I was saying eighteen to twenty two. Factions at the beginning. And then as you go everything gets whittled down whittled down and whittled out. And then there comes a point where everybody on the map is vying to be emperor. And they're declaring such that I number of China, and this is kind of the way that goes, and then after that point it whittles down even further into this condensed situation where it is literally three factions that have taken over the entire map. And there are no more. Let's be pals, I gotta hang out and trade with you, bro. So it's basically like you get to that point of the game. And it's like you have to have your Connie your cities, everything in a good Kip, at that point, because there, there are no more opportunities to really. I mean obviously you can build within a your, you're at that point. Yeah. You've declared yourself yourself, emperor Midia. No. At that point. So, so there. Three declared imprisoned, my signet situation, this myself and the other two, and that's the three kingdom area Nick is in the same area. I have my story I yeah, but he's what's interesting. What will get into your story? But what's interesting is he's at the same point in the game. But I told him he played it so put that he's not one of the three that are vying for emperor. He is a vessel of on. So he's like so is. Vassil is no no, no. I'm not a vassal of anybody, you have to be if this nopal they're still other, it's not just three left on the map. There are still other ones. But there were three factions that have said, I'm emperor, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other factions around chair me, one of them, because I have not declared by self emperor. But so my this is my second play through, which is funny because my first play through. I was I was filling like all good. I was texting Jared, he's just like I'm restarting like eighty turns whatever and I'm just like I'm good. I'm looking good. And I wish I had also restarted because I wasted a bunch of fucking hours at around turn hundred forty I was like a need to restart this is steak so restart had new plan. The plan was sell, Sal is somewhat centrally. Centrally located. I'm just like, well, why don't I focus all my efforts? The south. Let's see. Let's just claim that land have some wars, and then I only have to worry about war on my northern front. Totally makes sense. Okay. So that was the plan. And, and it was going really well. I think it was texting you guys around, like turn hundred hundred and twenty and I'm like, yeah. Sonji. He he's fucked like it's he's wrecked, like halfway through this dude, in the south, and he proposes to give me a bunch of money and become a vassal and at that point, and I'm like, well, that's dope. Because now I don't have to waste all this time conquering him. He's in be vastly. Give me money, and we're gonna push north. And I do that. I turned my attention to the north, and then I get into a bunch of wars, I'm up, they're fighting. And I'm like men like turn two hundred I'm probably be done with the game. I it looked real good. And then a turn went by fucking vassals like. Declared independence declared war on you. Motherfucker. What? So then, basically, I had walked myself into a war on two fronts below me and above me. I'm totally fucked because he's a no. All my armies are in the north. I can't like to redeploy him would've cost weight, too much money. So I had to resolve my war in the north, which was not a massive one, but it took eight to ten turns enough for him to just wreck below. I I'm just in a mess. I, I, I completely kill that faction. And then I finally turn my attention towards him and I have spent one hundred turns at war with this motherfucker. So was that, forty like so many years like twenty five years, right? Yeah, yeah. Twenty five years for twenty five years. I've been fighting him. It's just a shicho, but he's by far the biggest. Action because everyone in my north when I look at what's up there. Mids you saw at, like, none of them. Have like I'm not worried about any of them if I can possibly win this thousand year war war with sunshine, but good God, it's been terrible. My playthrough. He declared himself emperor. I'm not emperor. Everyone else is just like we're all emperors. I'm just like I'm just trying to not die. Interesting because you have to pay attention sort of each ten because it's ten based you. You make your decisions in the world that you see in front of you. You have a whole, like math color, coding ingredient that you can run through, you can look at people vie attitude to EU diplomatic status to you, you'll wealth to them, you'll food resources so on and so forth, so you can sort of build an understanding of surrounds, you and then make your decisions and then you get the whole turn of them going to rotate and watch what they decisions. What's funny in the being vessel is and things like that. Like often you'll have somebody early in the game being like support that she of lose chance of being emperor, claiming emperor now and this has maybe turned fifteen do you support it, and they're going to pay you money, and you'll ratings go down? You're gonna look like a John bitch full going back to that. Of course. I mean, we're here to be emperor. Why would you pot? Well, that's that's stuff watching that. And that's, that's the other thing is what the what the sun Jin did to you. You can do in the game you can be like, yeah, you're in Perot, immediately Brian's emperor as well. And David dumb by. KFC ampara. And then you just fucking come in, and you like very common ancient China. How's your wife? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Still into knitting. Yeah. No Karen's, the wool Ord Brian's into knitting. But you can do the same thing and that's it's all relative to how you build your army, but I started to look into the nuance of what is in the character. So you look at a character, and he's like. You know, turn ten you have fucking three homesteads and he's like I will become you'll vessel and you look at his name and its. Hey Ye and he says, like it's his like benevolent trickster and I'm like read Jake about fuck you know tricks. Yeah. Trustworthy guy. So you have to pay attention to all the nuances of that that game and I can only imagine how much more in depth that gets the Modi gist. It becomes to you, as you understanding grows. Exactly. That's the thing that's unique about this so out of the box, so to speak, you are given in the range of probably fifteen different characters that you can start with. And now there is also a deal, there's some DLC for yellow turbans. But that, that is one of the most interesting things and really where the replay ability if you're into this game where the replay ability comes from because all of these characters that are in the game are actual historical figures from this time period in China that had a part to play in the unification the whole story romance is the Han-dynasty and all these it is criminal plays. But my point with that, that whole statement is that every single character is dealing with a different situation. So every characters win condition is different. And on top of that every characters starting resources and area is different. And so if you're really into this fucking game you could play this game for months to years. Yeah. Stanley super engaged in it campaign is not thirty hours. No, it's way more. So the, the amount of time I can only so what I saw full streamers. Right. And that's always a good place to look at, like. What is somebody playing this game all the time doing? Are they still playing campaigns or whatever the to me, it seems like they're all playing romance battle scenarios? So they're all in their all into the nitty gritty of what we haven't even touched on is that you can either, get into a fight and delegate, which is predetermined based on, like it'll tell you, you can get a decisive victory, Ferrick victory or whatever you can get a hod Victor. Whatever the case is, but you can also win those fights if you control it yourself like today before coming here this morning, it was actually I had a fight that said, I was going to lose if idyllic gate. Absolutely fucking fight those fights because I'm just like the system here. Thank everyone with my hoses and fucked there autism. Yeah. Calvary archers in this in this game in the context of the combat are Superfund archers in this game especially if. Not your baseline archers, although those have archers but archers with the cross Bill archers and the Calvary archers the heat across fuck. Yeah. Those guys have wrecked and. That I was supposed to have a decisive loss. And but I knew I had had a large group of cavalry archers, and I played the fucking coward, and these archers, we just circled and waited for someone to be, you know, out too far away, and then I eliminated a huge portion of their army, just and I never even gotten into a fight with them because the like the base armies is running away. That stuff is so so much fun. The. The overall skill I think what I really love about this game is like in games. It's terrible comparison, but like a war craft or whatever you build up your units, you have a fight. It's over forty five minutes, the scale of this game is so like long reaching and huge. And it's just like last forever. I, I love I love how big it is. I love how long it takes for your campaign. It's just a it's such a wider view, like, no, you're committing to this entire campaign to unite China and it's going to take four fifth. I mean. Yeah. D- hours. Well, like just the fact that you'll see trade deal come in from someone. Oh, not a trade deal. You'll have somebody go. What going to whoa with you? And you like. He's done. Click their icon and it goes to pot of the map, you haven't even discovered so you don't know outside of the outside of the arrows. And the, the parable line that you see next to characters name that says you're stronger than them, you the same strength. They we could in you. Outside of that. You don't know what territory they might own. You don't know a lot about characters. And it also gives you a grand scope of like, oh shit. I'm not just trying to overtake three or four people around me there. Twenty people in this map that I don't even know different alliances. So sometimes you'll be like I wanna fight. Oh, this little guy with a farm next to me. I mean kill him always in a coalition with a the bench larger dude that I don't wanna fuck with, and that can cause you a lot of problems understanding that you, I is so key because all I watched, as Jared sent me a basics intro video, which was an hour long. So. So I mean and that, that guy also just a side note before you get into it. He is like one of the biggest players of these games like as far as like fame. His fucking name is ridiculous. But he so popular like within the the streaming community for this game and stuff like that, that he actually narrated all of the engage towards no, any mentions he like named ropes himself in his own YouTube being like. Yeah. That was me. Anyway. So I didn't watch any of the in game. I watched the one you sent me. Yeah. I got an idea for it, and then I went sort of trial by era and my turns. The dip in that doesn't even touch the surface of like each player will have multiple icons, that when you click them and look at them, you might not be able to go into character details for your competitors, but you'll be able to see maybe there's a picture of Boeing person hover over that you figure out who they vessel is to, then you look at the vet, then you look at them Oeste and you figure out what land he owns you figure out that their relationship. And if that guy is like, if you'll land contains the other dudes vassal you can go into your deals, negotiated deal that promotes their independence that you all sort of secretly playing the puppet. That's like no, no, no. I want you to become independent and feel good about that. You know, be on your good independent thing that guy gets a little bit weak because you not with him. You not in my territory, and then I vessel is you because I surround you and threatened with my army off to doing it. And you just build your strength. And this isn't even gotten into the spying aspect of the game where you can literally infiltrate of the oganizations, and you can hit this supply routes, you can open up, what the army movements all you can start looking at them in terms of hosting the trading ability like it's so in depth, it's very difficult game to teach. Someone about as you're trying to talk to him because difficult one to talk about it. It's hard to fully express just how much this game encompasses I is so big. There are so many layers. It's not just combat. It's not just economics. It's not just city building. It's a combination of all these things, and then there's a meal the skill trees, there's just everything here. It's so good. And I have a, a little like I really wanna play civilization. And I'm I feel like I'm going to be a little bummed the civilize civilization isn't this play? A little bit. It doesn't seem like it's quite what this is doing. But I don't know I'm I'm looking forward to it. The other thing that I wanted to know like from what I can tell my campaigns going poorly, I made turn two hundred but I'm very excited to see how this plays out because this is like you create your own story, and I can literally tell well, this will happen. Here's how fucked here's probably messed up. And this is why my turn it literally took an extra fifty years to unite China. And that's his super interesting because it makes like you said before the replay ability of this. So it's huge because the things that I got myself into which were probably small little points that put me to where I am now. And then you guys just like no we're way ahead just like whoa. I often Nick Nick financially, and I'd like to hit from you, Jared, what sort of wealthy sitting on like, what is your what is in your Bank, two hundred and something I? A per turn probably like thirteen to fifteen K nice that's per turn. That's from vacillations and then also commerce from I mean my, my whole territory is large. I mean I control large portions, I think that I have the lion share of the map at this point. So yeah, you'll refl and that's the thing we didn't even touch on. You have your refoms tree, which is a tree where you make decisions I reforms, so my reforms our behalf done. Well, well, but I, I kind of prioritized going for agricultural reforms and then after that went through the administration reform, which are those are fucking huge, huge reforms to special in, you taking ova people in vessel ising, the Omni's and making them appreciate you if. You don't have sort of controls around happiness and controls around reform, and how they feel about you, then you fucked. And so you build a Confucian temple those love that shit. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Guys, I one thing that I want to add. All right. We we diver and moved to another topic. I don't I can't think of a game off the top of my head in many, many years, that has made me think about it as much when I'm not playing it, then this game in my day to day my work, my work life. I'll be out walking the fucking dog or whatever. And I'm like, what is my next play here? I know what has happened up to this point. But there's so many things running through my mind like do I do this do I do that. What do I need to prioritize should I TAC, this motherfucker? Should I attack this motherfucker should be broS with this all of these thing? Yeah. Fucking ancient Chinese, Brian is an asshole, and he needs to go down. It is just it is super dynamic. And, you know, my girlfriend, even said, I, I went out on, like a little date night with her couple of weeks ago, I had been playing prior to us going out and we were driving to the bar, and she's like. This schemes doing weird things to you. What do you mean? And she's like, well, just seems like it takes you a while to decompress from this, because you really I mean, if, if you're like me, I'm like, really kind of Suming the role of the leader of the civilization and, and just the, the amount of options that you have, and, you know, there's no one way to go about being successful in the scam Kersey. It's fucking incredible, dude. I really love this game. I couldn't recommend it. Highly enough to, to anybody that has any passengers in Artigas or all strategy games. Maybe your life's crazy. And you have kids, you have gone on this games is using to play this in our bursts. It's turn based like you can go fifteen minutes. You have fifteen minutes. You can start to learn the game obviously, it'll take you all the, you know, the mechanics. But once you know the game. It's very easy to be like I leave it running all the time because then I just have a moment, I'm just like, oh, boop, boop boop, all right? Couple turns. All right. I'll be back. So I like that part. It's makes it very easy to dump a whole lot time because whenever you have a few free minutes, you can just go and play it, but all right. Let's go to break, come back. Talk about a couple of other games. And then get out of here yet. Sounds good. And we are back and for the first time in a while there is no scotch on the table. I got new tees we've and this man, we have MU got new, t's. Not new beers. We've moved into the summer version of the podcast, so the tables actually mess because we're mixing cocktails. I guess we. Yeah, that's exactly what we're doing. We've twisted tea we have a bunch of lemonades and vodkas and tequila, and it's into this T. Like so we've been doing the last little bit here in the local area. There have been these Arnold Palmer things that popped up in the grocery store that. Uh-huh. And they're fantastic a little bit of booze a little bit eliminated a little bit of tea. And so I was going to bring some over today, but I couldn't find them anywhere. So I was like, I'll just by twisted tea and lemonade, and then we can just fuck and mix. And it's actually pretty fucking good. Yeah. I think that this was. I mean, the simply limited. Pretty good. Yeah. Pretty limb. Nate pretty good is I, I it's maybe the sequel to the sweet drinks short. So every two yeah. I think this week drinks has some hits I go into full to Keila mode. It's, my it's might go to mix it with everything. But we've definitely gone into gun into a new space. You have never done it to kilo onell Palmer twit gun. It's actually fucking good. Yeah. Arnold would approve. So for some peace on. All right. Jared. Yeah. I've been playing games. Tell me about cadence of high real cheer. Yeah. We can talk about it. Succeeded Safai rule kind of came out of nowhere. I don't think that there was a lot of build up prior to release. It was announced. Maybe I'm wrong. Release starring you three evils. I'll say. I don't know. Maybe, maybe but basically, this is the of the Neckar dancer. If anybody knows what that is. That's brace yourself games made that specifically one guy named Ryan Clark rhythm. They are rhythm, basic sure, yeah, rhythm rhythm based games in a weird way like nothing these games, don't play anything like anything that I have played. They are very, very unique. So yeah, I'm really into it so far. It's kind of a crazy way that this came out. And I couldn't believe it. So Ryan Clark had been working on a switchboard of krypton the neck road. Answer is the first game that these guys put out and he basically came to intendo and he said, hey. Can we use some Nintendo assets for the deal? See for the switch port and intendo being does like five years ago would have been fug off. Yeah. Because, but lately different, well, they were as far as I've read Nintendo was less than thrilled about that. But someone internally at Nintendo must have played this game and saw how interesting unique it was and over a period time they basically Nintendo came to Ryan Clark, and said, how about you just make a Zelda themed one of these games? And obviously if you're an indie developer us. Okay. So what's the split you get ninety percent of the money? I get ten. Okay. Let's do it like if studios. Well renowned fool is eligible, so here we are. It's just a I mean before you talk about it. It's a huge change. A cultural shift within intendo Jairo, warriors Marlin rabbits, canes have high rule. Yeah. These things were not acceptable. Acceptable properties seven years ago, five years ago like that is not what Nintendo would do like that. This loving third parties touch of. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you also have to take into consideration like we shouldn't gloss over the latest metro injury as well. That was other m. No, not other m other, other. The area that games bad that games real bad. It could have been good. But it's bad, but I'm talking about the the remake on the three. D. S Vetere to yes, Mitchell to that was made by the Spanish developer mercury steam, which was really unique thing because I hate that sounds like a really toxic fucking thing. It is dangerous dangerous be careful where mask work loves, but yeah. Antimetric perhaps. Man, I it is it is kind of a interesting shift for Nintendo. I think that the Japanese I mean in Kyoto they are not. I do not I refuse to believe that are a are the Japanese old men at their board room and Kyoto are like, yeah, let's do this, because they're old, and they don't really know what the fuck going on. But I think I think to the, the power of Nintendo of North America Girling and stuff like that. That's where we're seeing some of this kind of stuff I it's just the it's very exciting for me just the idea of other talented developers, getting their hands on this property, and being able to. Manipulate it and come up with something unique like Mario in rabbits. We're just like what, what are we doing and ends up being something really good at. So I I'm excited for the future because from what we've seen if that duplicates in the next few years, cool. Well, what do you got? But yeah let's talk about what this game is because I have I did pick it up. And I've played it. So I have a little bit a few thoughts. Let's okay. Well, you talk about. So this is a really weird, a mild ommission of, of rhythm game. And just a regular top down isometric Zelda game that is not dissimilar to link to the past. This is pretty much what this game is. I mean the map is very similar to though that game and it definitely elicits a lot of vibes. However the the key difference between any of those top down ice. Symmetric Zelda games. And this is that every movement that you make is tied to this bar at the bottom of the screen that has these little vertical notches and simplified guitar hero. It's basically like targeted at a lot of respects. Yeah. And in the middle of that, that bar at the bottom of the screen is one of the Tri forces. And basically the objective is to keep your rhythm and you do that by using the directional. Don't use the analog stick in this game. At least I can't do with the analog, stick, I have to use the deep had the, the broad ideal is beat be beat right? Every time that happens, you can perform an action Karoo move slash move, and you're an isometric viewpoint. Right. It's very fast though. That's something like faster than I thought when I heard about the game, and then I played around I was like, oh, it's like move. Move move move move. Use move. It's yes. So if you missed the beat then you are basically locked in a state of not actions. You can't move your, your stunned locked, essentially, so it really emphasizes staying on the beat of. And if you don't then you're able to getting attacked to damage those types of things. So you'll decision making is several turns a head because, you know, the cadence of the speed, you know, sure, and that is one of the most unique things about this game is that it's pseudo turn based in like a weird way the enemies move to the beat as well. Yes. So predictive. So the entire map while its metric if you look at it closely, it's grid based so they're little little squares everywhere, around the map, and as you move, you would notice all the enemies on a given screen will move, as well in whatever direction. Whether it's at you or just randomly move around. And. And you can you can allow the, the the rhythm bar at the bottom to just keep on going, and you don't have to move and there's no penalty for doing that. So you can kind of think about like what you wanna do. And then you can kind, of course or chart your, your course around the map, and it it's, it's pretty, like it's pretty interesting in the way that you kind of think things through. At least I do with this game. Because everyone's I mean, all the enemies have patterns. They move the attack certain ways or you're like, no, I can't be in front of him right here. I have to go to the side because I know he's going to slash forward. So you can learn their movements and yeah, that's pretty interesting. And then the other point to drive home is the beat. We keep talking about is remixed sell the songs. So that's fantastic. And they're real good. It sounds great as far as the general beat and tone. I don't I don't like the game. I, I should probably say that early like I've been playing it and I don't I, I liked the songs, but I generally, I don't particularly like wha what's going on which, I think I'm in the minority on that one. So. You speak highly about the concept and about the quality of what they've made and so doesn't mean you have to like it. I like this is awesome. It's really cool. I while listen to all the remix songs on Spotify, and I, I I'm still gonna screw out with it and play it. I'm just like I actually think I like it for me. It's really hard this game's hard. It's fucking very very challenging the game early on. Throws a ton of enemies at you and expects you to, to manage them, and yeah, there it is. It is a Roque lake as well in, in ways. Everything is procedurally generated, so every single time you die, you go back to this hub world with this fairy bitch. That will. Yeah, that basically will sell you items and you power up link or Zelda, or whatever the time bitch, which was immoral combat. I just remember all the the bitch. Drinking game that Nick's wife suggested went Jared any characters something bitch. I think you have to pound a fifth podcast. Oh, yeah. That's, that's probably a good choice. But anyways, yeah, it's, it's like rogue like in a lot of respect. So every single time you die. Everything's gonna reset. It's going to be different and new. So that's also very unique power ups that you found you have to find again. Right. But then there are persistent power as well. So they found a nice balance that many rogue likes have have found in the past where there is this. I am risking, you know, rupees in this case, or, or some sort of item that I got on my run this time around. But also on top of that their diamonds that you cumulate every time you clear, an area, destroy all enemies in, in a given area. You get diamond and that's persistent that stage from run to run. So they definitely tied in, like you're getting some persistent rumours that will you be able to increase. Stats, etc. Etc. And then also things that you lose every single time he died. It's a good mechanic in any game that has when you can lose all your shit when you can be like, oh, but if I Tiv this goal then I get a lock something in. It's almost now I get a lock something in so must unnecessary mechanic in a good road like. Sure. Grind has meaning so, so in the character movement like you saying, you can sit and spot. You can watch the enemy move. Yeah. All the dynamically moving enemies Ono navy on move aren't orangey. No, they don't move. So if you're so if you're say you're in one grid, and you're not you're not moving. You're not pressing forward. They won't move either, so you literally like wait and say okay, well, I'm just going to stand here. So each time you move, you get to watch movement, correct? Okay. So very fast that, right? Are you in the different modes? What? Well, there's, there's those the term base mode where they can only move when you move, and then there's the free flowing mode where they move every beat they move regardless, so you can watch their patent. There's two different modes in the game on for how it works. Okay. I know. And it's a huge change at how the game I just listened to the beast cast in Reichert will talk about how he didn't like the version of the game that was free flowing and he liked it when it turned into turn based when I move, Hugh move it. Yeah. And then but, but you're still trying to hit the beat. Right. All right. Well, we'll have to research because in that mode, you don't care about the counter. It's just a you're just listening to music. And then when you move they move. Okay. All right. Well, maybe that would be more enjoyable for you. It might be actually I might just be more into the game 'cause I something hasn't so that yeah. Yeah. So I kind of felt the same way when I initially start playing this game I was like I don't like this. This is fucking too hard, and I am not a rhythmic guy that might be a surprise to you too. I really have a lot of them. No. Man. No. So, yeah. That that aspect of it was really difficult to kind of wrap my head around at first, but the more played at the more I've gotten into it. The thing that is keeping me going with this. I mean, it's very interesting idea, my opinion, and I'm into it. I bought into this kind of very unique way this game works, but just the added element like I think about creek crypt of the neck road answer, and obviously, I knew a lot about it. I mean a lot of people like that game. It's been out for a while. And I was always just kind of hesitant because I don't typically like rhythm games. So I was just like. I'll go somewhere else. But the addition of the Zelda mechanics in this make very, very compelling because on top of all the stuff that we just highlighted there is basically, what acquaints to as Zelda experience here where you're going to dungeons, and you're fighting a boss, at the end of the dungeons. There are interesting puzzles. It doesn't way you're looking at me. Does I don't think you've got to that? I haven't okay? Those things are there, and it's fantastic in my opinion, because it's like, okay, this is this is just the Zola experience. But this is this is the this is the catch. This is the hook. This is the unique thing that they have done with this. This speaks to what you said was. You'll concern about breath of the wild too, is birth of the while to use saying, zelda's about taking the environment and the construct that they've created making something unique new and unique. And this is a dairy studio outside of Nintendo. That's gone and said, we've done it all you on board. Right yen. That's pretty fucking cool. As a way to develop it that isn't going, Hain intendo. How's the innovation? And maybe that's a really cool idea when intendo moving forward when they like you know what we're bringing with bringing the, the secret sauce to the table. That's right. That's what makes us meal good. Yeah. But you as a studio can back your abilities make his L the game come to us go. We're happy to give you most of the meat on the bone because you own Zelda and essentially make this game. But we're coming to you from ou- small scale level of innovation and saying, this is dope. We think this is cool apply to sell Bella. We get mainstream acceptance and you guys get to see that. I'll visions make sense. And that to me is a super cool thing that little indie Dave studios can do, right. If somebody's willing to back the product they game and go guys let's knuckled down. Let's make alvian of Zelda the world we want to be in. And then we go pitch, intendo and intendo literally sits and looks at a Finnish game and goes. Julius Caesar fucking Thames, thumbs up. Right, right. Cool. I just can't imagine how brace yourself games feels about this. Because I mean when we talk about the most iconic and popular series in gaming legend of Zelda has got to be on the shortlist. Got to be on the shortlist and for a studio that literally made one game prior to this game at least at least put out commercially. And then to, to be behind such a storied and icon, IP man. They've got to be on cloud nine about that. I just think that, that's incredible thing that those guys have the opportunity to do and so far I'm really really enjoying this game. I understand this game's pretty short as well. I mean, some of the biggest complaints are the people are being an six hours, something like that share, like I want more. Yeah. There's a games done quick coming of this, right? Probably yeah. Probably. Yeah. They will be dancing be somebody's. Beating it in games on quick on a Don revolution. Matt. Yeah. That. Yeah. For sure do it because you'll need for directions. And that's a really, really good idea mids you need to start practicing. Yeah. Let's practice DO practice. Yeah. You should probably. You don't have on your house. All right. Aiding anything else. Get you don't know. I think I think that probably wraps it up man super dope. I really liked this. I really want to tell you that I've going to play more, and then we can come back for the next game cast, and this game sucked me enough that I will definitely finish this. So, yeah, so I wanna say, I'll play more and they'll come back into weeks and say, hey, here's what I found. Maybe I got the dungeon whatever next to all these bad. They're all there's only one. The catches the Mario Super Mario maker to came out yesterday. So I have a hard time believing that I'm gonna play canes of high rule over Mario maker. So we're recording on Saturday. It came out Friday. So obviously we the impression so far short. I know. Here. That's played it. I've, I played the original, we, you one as well quite a bit made some levels when I come to this series, I like making levels, like, I'm not the guy that's gonna go out and seek out the hardest levels and throw my head, just like beat myself against it. Spend two hours to beat it. I wanna make the level is tricky and fun. And possible. Obviously, like I'm not an expert Mario player. But it's a it's a lot of fun, so far, I spent a couple of hours last night making level. We're gonna go play it here as soon as we supp- recording. I'm interested to see how you guys do. But. Levels of illegal to all of our listeners and non listeners on Twitter at you posted. So I posted on Twitter and that all even throw the chorus code into our the show notes on the description, if you wanna play and that's my first one. So, you know, bear with me air. I've already started the first ones dungeon run this one's judgment to started. Yeah. And you just hopping of a penis is that Knicks maiden? Yeah. I mean, lots of, but it's a lot of fun. A few things rath- the bat, it felt better to make levels on the we you controller. I can't I can't get the comfortable spot. I, I was on the couch in the front room and something about it with a stylus and like holding it in because you're constantly switching between, like use the stylus you place your stuff, and then you're trying to test it. So you drop your guy in, then you're holding it, something about just feels wrong. And the switch doesn't fill all that great. And that part's kind of a bummer I, I don't really know. I, I literally the best feeling I had while making a level will sitting at my desk. This with the switch on the on the desk and looking at it. I'm holding it, but. Seems good. There's a little bit of a single player in there and the, the single player, the story about the story mode. Does a really good job at showing you what you should be doing when you make levels. So it's not just random levels. They're showing you how to manipulate objects. So you go into one of the story levels, and it's like here's how these blocks work, and here's the thing you can do with these springs. Oh, okay. Is it a is it like Bill uniquely? Build yourself out of the scenario, kind of thing. Oh, his finish souljah way out, so no. So the story mode is play. Mario they have made. I think it's over one hundred levels, and you're like the story part of it is you're collecting coins rebuilt the castle whatever. But it's literally just a level where it's just like no, this one, you're learning how to ride on top of like the thump dudes, and it's teaching you how to build how the things you need to learn to get better at building. So. This did not exist in the first Mario maker. And I really like this really smart mechanic, though, just going. Yeah. We've thought this out and it's fleshed out. It's not all about you discovering. What is capable? Yeah. Go out. Try it in our environment, and build it into your own because you can't you can't unless you're if you're a normal person that's on expert, Mario, you can't just be given the tools. You don't know how to manipulate them in the right way. You need to see it done, or really play a lot of Mario to be able to come up with the fun and engaging ways of making level. So I'm hoping to do that. The first one was literally, it was only two hours, some people spend a lot more. So I I mean I keep building. And like I said, I- I cater more towards the creating levels. So I'm hoping to create levels, and throw them at the two you guys and be like let's do it. Yeah. As somebody making levels and this. From me, not ever having played. Mario mak-. Is there any mechanic in the building space that lets you know, this is impossible? No, what you've built his no Roka's. So let me explain out works. There's a catch I can make any level. I want in order to upload it. I have to clear it. Okay. That's that's, that's smart. So that's just putting something out. They that somebody goes. Doable, and it's not so going to bash my head on a table. So, so last night, when I was texting you guys, I'm just like Jared, I almost got this level done, but I got clear it. Okay. So I it took me an hour to clear my own level it, and I'm hoping that Jerry Jones would be like first time so that hot, right. You know, I was looking the morning. One point six percent of people have beat my level. So or one point six percent attempts. So it's a it's, it's so much fun show. Is there a lot of maps already posted? I mean immediately you go onto the Subrata, and there is a dedicate thread. Just post your course, idea and everyone's doing it. And there were last night. There were twenty five hundred comments awhile, and I can tell you like I was like geez. No one's going to even respond and I posted micro and a people played through, like right away and commented. So, like how many of those guys like super into it? How many people rebuilding courses they built in one maybe, and then also be a level of that, like, Pinna panga, it'd be recreated, also go live of people that knew this, this coming and had it built out on paper in the brain. And we're like this is my course those catch. So obviously, there's quote unquote bugs that were in, in the first Mario maker. They fixed some of those in this one in -sarily advertise that, so there's a part of the community that's already little upset. So one video I watched in particular. The high level maps that remained, a Mario maker, one involved carrying things like a spring throwing the spring in the air and bouncing off the spring in air to get to a higher spot. They've that's gone. So already some of the people that were making levels like that. They're just like fuck like they kind of Nerf out a super key component. Yeah. So there's a little bit of controversy, obviously, to me like a component you on optimize not know. Maybe like it seems making not in the vein of original Mario when I've watched the levels of people doing that type of play. I'm not that. At super high level. And I'm just not that type of there's no way that's going to cater to me. So I don't know. The docks crying ever gonna hear it because this is the one and only time you'll hit penny have little meltdown. So they won't even here because the catch it but anyway. Yeah. Yeah. I'm super looking forward to playing this game. Unfortunately my copy is in New York right now. So that's good. What Jared otas all of his games through Greece on EBay, and he gets maybe twenty cent of them? Yeah. Jared, are you. When you look at this game are you excited for everything. Are you excited to play people's levels to make levels? What do you think is our is going to end up drawing you to? Well, I think that the first thing that draws me to this whole experiences, the fact that I missed out on the first experience and within twitch and YouTube and those, those platforms this was a huge huge game and people fucking just ate it up dude. And I was jealous, because I didn't wanna drop money on a we you. But I watched a ton of this game on those platforms, and just was like this is such a cool fucking idea. So that aspect of it really, really interests me just being able to participate in that because I didn't get to the first time around, but if you were gonna like, if I was going to break down, what is more peeling? I think it's probably playing levels, I'm certainly going to give it a go and. And try that. I would make the levels for Jarrett to be. Yeah. But yeah, I'm more interested in the and the, the content that always interest me the most when it came to twitching YouTube with these with this game was watching people that I liked try to clear, challenging levels and stuff. And, and I would love to. Play some challenging levels myself, if they're well-crafted. And there, there's just so many options. There's a I mean there is a skill to it. It's not I only made one level, but as you start to think about it like flow, and like wanting to make a level that makes sense and then like aesthetically make sense. Like I I'm really trying to think about it and use the right enemies and things is the environment and just to have it make sense. Not just having enemy, but have an enemy that makes you a movement. Yup. Or login all difficult, ole whatever you want to invoke. Or maybe what you do at the beginning, your level helps teach you what you're in need to do at the level because that's kind of like the basics of design is being like oh yeah. You might have jumped on this guy, and it was kinda hard beginning but by the end of this level, you're jumping, and riding on top of Thorpe different times. All that stuff is just awesome. I think to Jared's comment of like he enjoys watching. Maybe a stream and try beat hod levels, or contain creating gauge with it. I think that this is a game that lends itself to way we see this whole phenomenon of streaming games going, right? You can see an instance, way, a stream or a YouTube can create a level can release it on a specific date with his content coal people to come beat it come back with rates experiences, how to people enjoy it, and that's engaging. Right. That brings you onto his playing field. He he's not just playing a game in front of you. But he's creating something in front of you that you get to play or you creating something that he gets to play, and it just adds another layer of dips to that interaction. Yeah. The my favorite content that came out of the first Mario maker was the game, grim splaying game or levels that were created by people, and obviously, they have such a. Large pole and, and popularity that people were specifically making levels for them to play on their, their show. And some of that content in my opinion was so fucking funny and good. And that has to do with Danny Aaron being very talented funny, guys. And then on top of that, just like people trying to troll them, and yeah, it was great. It was such a fun, such a fun idea. And I'm super fucking happy that Nintendo put something out like this, because I mean when you talk about fucking Mario did, like Mario everyone fucking loves Mario. Have you ever talked to a guy that's like, do you like they're like, no, like Mario fun that never happens did? So it's a natural smart into one gun. His name was Shiloh, any cross. Brewed coffee had lived out of a van fuck that guy. One of the plug. If you're just looking to consume content the previous one Dan record of giant bomb makes levels he makes very difficult levels and Patrick click. Does not make levels. He is beats them, clubbing, Waypoint vice, and they're going to do it again. And they just have a whole rivalry where they go back and forth and Dan makes the levels and taunts him. And then he spends hours on twitch trying to beat him and he's always been able to be them but it's very entertaining. And it's just it's such a unique thing for games. Like we don't. Yeah. White have this type of game that has traction it super cool because there was a there was a battle royale game. I'm trying to remember its name pudgy. No, no. That, that came out with the mechanic, that was built into twitch, right? Which basically said huge game now. No, not fortnight. Not picks. I the. But how the game worked was you had you were either a character in the battle, or you will what would cold a game like puppet, manage, it will most like you see it Hunga games. Like the guy who saying release the tornado kill the child in the tree. Whatever Hunga games was about. I don't know. That's pretty much what it was about. But this was a child. I think I described it accurate this game this game meant that watching people play prompts on twitch let you vote as to like, give this character as shitty circle movement. So they have to stop camping or give this character fifty Cal rifle because they're positioned, well, and if being aggressive and win out of development of issue because like we're at the point you know the the innovation curve with that's way to innovate. Live for the amount of moving parts on twitch to come out with a polish game. But it's interesting and I call to continue to see games that combine game is of different worlds on a stage that can be interactive. And this to me sound super cool. It is. Yeah. No, it's a really good time. And here's here's what we can do. I would like to talk about this game for at least a couple more games guests I as I get more into it, but. Here's my promise. If you send us, your course ide- I can promise you that I will make sure that Jared plays it and beats it. So. Find me right? I'll do it try. At least. Yeah. I'm just committing him to be the I'm not. I'm not exactly like fucking Marley. Three s three s whole pud cost. I, I make a levels. I'm not committed to beating the levels derives. Mario games though. So I don't know. All right. Anyway, that's usually make level. Of course, ideal check it out. We'll whereas all Cade, crate Litz these levels functional at an all Cade. That'd be pretty cool that would be into quarters us to trade Monte, too. I mean, I'm announcing this will, then we switch in the monitor and not being boom, if you have one cabinet on the side, that let you make him for a quota every nine and a half seconds and one cabinet. Let's try beat him. That's a steep. Fucking Bryce Jesus. All right, guys. Why? Ebeneezer. I think that we should wrap this up because we need to go upstairs, and I can see if you guys can beat my level. So why don't we do that if you want to get a hold of us? We are on Twitter. I'm less above missing. Mids jared's. Jared hates you if you're enjoying the show, good ITN's, go to any way, you can read us review. Tell us how great redoing do something like seriously, just tell us do something or just download tell your friends download. Dem's anything any questions that you want us to answer on the podcast feel free to. Yeah. That was the good. Well, those are good question about so Senate in, and we will we'll get to eventually it might take a little while just depending on what we're talking about. We'll do it dog about. Thanks, guys yet. They just renovated the oil lap at her work, and it's super legit and stuff like that. And so I wanted to check it out. So I told Ashley, let's go drive down. Like the day after we got there and go look at my mom's new lab. And so we get there and my mom my mom's like, hey, what's up? We go in her office, and we're chatting and stuff like that. And then she's like, okay, she gives us lab coats and safety glasses. And we go into the lab, and we get in there, and my mom, who is fucking hilarious, like. Like. Hey, everybody. Hey, and just like gets all over employee's attention. And she's like come over here, come over here, and they're all like, what the fuck, we're trying to work. And so they all like lineup because she's their boss, and it's like it's like, I don't know, like sixteen people just like lined up, and she's like, I want to introduce you to my son and his girlfriend. Ashley. And this is my mom. My grandma was there as well, because we took her out to lunch shouldn't. She's like, yeah. These this is my family and like, I know you've heard a lot about him and all this stuff. And then she's like, M I son. He has podcast via games and she's like and unlike why are you doing this? Like all. She's like tell them about it was like they don't wanna hear it. She's like tell about it. The she know her own son. Yeah. I was like fuck. So I literally like stood up and was like, hey it's video game podcast. It's called salts game cast. You know, we talk about nerdy shit about video games that kind of stuff, and, like half the people were, like looking at me, with pure hate, like I hate you. Why are you talking about this fucking I and then we get done, and I was like why the fuck did you do that? And she was like, our proud of you. And I'm like, yeah, but they're not proud of. What do you do that at Ashley was, like, making so much fun of me? She was like you look so embarrassed. I was like, well, I didn't fucking. No. She's going to put me on the spot like that.
Morning Gorgeous Episode 1 Whos Responsible for Your Confidence?
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT odd best detroit dot com before information. All right. Hi Guys. It's Gabby we. We are here with morning gorgeous the show and I have here with me. Lia in Sierra on I g you can find us at Mrs High Maintenance Sierra Louis and I'm Leah 'cause I don't remember their names on their guy so we are gonNA kick it off today with the topic we're going to go with WHO's responsible for your confidence And obviously as we all know as women expecially that confidence can go in many different different directions and a lot of things can affect confidence All the way to ourselves other people I mean we can be affected by confidence from our experiences. Dances for me personally is definitely my experiences that have affected my confidence and trying to find it back and when I did lose it catch back and things like that so when it comes to who is responsible counsel for your confidence. Let's hear from others in see like what is that. Schofield is most important when it comes to have confidence maintaining confidence Even finding in confidence because people don't walk in confidence every day so I know for a fact for me. It was my personal experiences that kind of created meets who find my confidence and kind kind of walk in it. Everybody can't necessarily do that. So let's see what you guys think. As far as WHO's responsible for your confidence Sierra or Leah. I'm going I WANNA say like I'm personally responsible for my confidence. I'm a very confident person. I feel like without debt or with I should say no one can tell me anything about myself because I'm already so secure that I can't be knocked off my own like board because I'm already security with myself about my confidence so I definitely feel like it starts within yourself. Yeah I I agree I I feel like it starts within yourself before me personally I was never that confident in myself. especially growing up As I was younger I was so small so the plant that like I felt like you know what am I gonNa grow up or win. Might Gain weight when is when is that so I didn't feel like I was confident. I had to gain confidence and with myself and be and learn to love myself in order to gain confidence in myself. Because I didn't feel like I was is ca. I finally have confidence in myself. I didn't feel like anyone else had confidence in me. So as I learned to love myself more I gave confidence within myself. So it definitely starts this with you because you. You're not gonNA believe that someone else's confident need if you don't believe that you know you're confident yourself now like so. Let's take a spin on right right because we all have moments where we're not feeling confident like me. I'm GONNA be real simple about it if my nails aren't done or if my hair is not tight right right but anywhere but just something. Salsa right has so much to do with your confidence so for me you know everybody has like these different care things a lot do yoga. And why do you know the first thing that I said I'd do for confidence. y'All is I get my nails done. Yeah I think they have every two weeks heaven appointment me. That's my time with no one with me like it doesn't matter what's going on in the world. I'm I'M GONNA go to this nail appointment and I'm going to go regroup right like like I said it's just for me on those probably really weird but I've had people like you spend so much I I was gonna say that your hands on your now. I understand when that's what I WANNA do. That's what I mean this. This is myself cured. Now South Yeah but don't get me wrong in a moment when somebody says something like that. I'm like Damn I could use that money for something else but get best. Are you really going to be confident. You happy I'm not GonNa them walking for the next two three weeks. I know again. It sounds so minimal but you know two three days not in your your space not in your you know in your comfort. Berg zone affects. You used just broken hill. I yes but seriously which we start second guessing everything more than just though like my nails. Now I'm like okay like my even officiant in this like my you know am I even excelling in at work. I Dunno whatever you just don't feel you right and it takes the smallest thing so not to put too much take on the nails but for me. That's myself here. So that's what makes me feel good you know. Is this something that you all have that. y'All kinda like stick to minimal something smart that you didn't even realize like your O'hare appointment I mean like it's getting these lashes the two week because when i Miss Alaska payment is like no why did I uh-huh really throwing up. I'm looking in the mirror light. Okay this is my right. You don't look right you don't look the same and it was like before I started my lashes done. It was like okay. I gain my confidence. It's just that but it's like when I started getting lashes. Oh it took it up at the top. It's like you said pointing like Oh you can't tell me nothing. I don't care here not done that they. UCD's lashes it's done and he's nails and we're good. I'm good we're good. I just think we'll confidence people can see when you're lacking your confidence and it's thrown off ish shows and you so once that's lots of say confidence Mrs Formulas within yourself because it's not body language. Everything is looking like this off with everything around you take a hit. When you're not philly yourself and the only thing that I actually have come to learn and this is as of this past year I have really had a learning year with this year and for this year I really illegal sly Dane? Like they notice that I wasn't myself like I don't think any other time in my life. Anyone would have noticed something like that. You you don't like are you. Okay like people. Don't ever throw that. Are you okay out there and often. Yeah it can be a little things though like you just like. You're walking confidence. But what is it about that that just threw you off you know in the end to. Here's another one. So how do you feel about this because this is one that Kinda run into my personal life. What about like feeling like you are required to complement others? Like your spouse. Let's spouse you know. I live up to them. No argument them to boost them. Like do you find that important. Like do you find your your spouse or your mate or your friends like your home girl but girls like if they say danger like you look at today which goes white like. Do you find that being something that makes issue like boosts yourself like. Does that make you feel better. Like all right Listrik. I'd like compliment. I I appreciate compliments from females more than I do from a man because as a man look at us already like a piece not a piece of me all the time. But we're just you know is value exactly so coming from a woman. Athlete is really genuine sincere. Like are you looking good so I always automatically get that boost like. Oh Yeah. I'm looking good if a woman can look at me and be like Ooh I the from woman. I'm definitely getting their extra busy. Especially when Ah Lash appointment I mean but we're collazo breath just like we're women's so we always is not like a lot of women. Don't commit that jealousy sometimes and come into the play and applied that plays on your confidence. Sometimes you can see another woman is like are they looking they. If you're throwing off is easy to like down to knock yourself down when you're looking at somebody else who got it together right now. So you're definitely that play that way down now and you see someone else up and you choose not to compliment them because you're down. You're knocking yourself down levels that you don't even know you're upset. You hold yourself accountable accountable for where you aren't in they are. That has nothing to do. But that's a human though. I think that's unfortunately is so changes prices. Are you acting on that. You can always feel jealous or envious. That's that's why I'm not GonNa sit here and be like I'm jealous like Cardi and how she was on a TV show acting out. Oh and now look at her like I could easily say that but Gaby What have you done to even come anywhere near that that progress that right there. You don't know your background you domino. You only know exactly what she said. You don't know really what's going on because just because you have a million dollars in the bank does not mean anything and I think we only met to go into that because we already we know happiness right yes that that is That is absolutely correct. So like so for the confidence part. Like when you when you are with your home girls right and we're all together and everybody's looking real good doesn't that just at like ten more volumes. All you end up like when I walk into the club is like Oh is on US walking. Ah Interference helping now song. Was that movie belly in Song with their blue part. Yes I know very clever other song. That's why I think it's so crazy so uh my cousin. She literally just like last week and I was running this down so we were like. Hey wait and see we get on and do this and dad with the show. She was like I wish I had confidence like you do. But does that. Bring you down and I'm like you know because I love her dearly and she deserves nothing more than so feel confident right. She's beautiful you Barton Beautiful. Babies like she has. She's a strong woman for many reasons. He's come over tons of obstacles. She deserves serves to be confident. She's worked hard for that and she doesn't know how to display it but I do also feel like you know previous experiences. I these men they will break you. They will play. Yeah it is. Hey thanks so much to build that back up but it takes so little to break down. It's like always small is now Off and it's like how you feel about that person and then they say the ones that you and maybe everybody saw you and that's just called love right. That's being in love. Everybody sees that that demon that devil and that person lets you. Maybe it's one of those moments like okay so you finally saw these trash actions that you've been hearing about right and you finally notice it but then you're so low in this position in your life that you don't even know how to see yourself in a positive light again. You don't even know how to pull that confidence back. It's time for me is like I was in relationships at a point there like I was knocked down to so many levels I was just not down. Everyone told me like no he. He not the one and this five years. Just be a knockdown knock down not down as soon as I got out of that. That situation is still took like three years later. Two thousand eighteen for meter were delighted next. Got It because it comes to a point where you are. Are you with him like you. Are you without him. He just doesn't go together. So prime example like the air when we see our we'd like high Sierra whereas Collie and his the idea but in sleight Sierra is not colleen colleen's nazi-era so in a sense is meaningless as my statement would be whereas like well damn bit. I'm here. How do you know what I'm saying like? Oh it's nothing like You know I'm so used to seeing to him in the moment that you got explains the moment you probably shouldn't have said it right and then they knocked yourself down tim easily not realize they because they could have just went to something nasty yesterday. And I'm over here talking about where he is he. You know what I'm saying. Now I think we gotta also just in general need to be more conscious of our comments when it come to people especially over the holiday holiday season is well all game. All where's I'm Mary. WH- what down anyway. Like wait a minute see. I wasn't even on that same. That was yesterday at the Battery Asleep. What I'm saying? See what I'm saying but no so like I think for the confidence like you know we just got a really honestly focus on our own self and in confidence like because nobody else can keep us. Calm it definitely starts as you start the validation confidence for you though because after yourself who's GonNa tell you uh-huh you knocked off your game guy. Beer Lee you gotta get this a WHO in your life really validates. Your Mama Gerke. She would tell me a heart. I was hitting my mom too. I don't have a husband right now. How I would say my mom? 'cause that's I know. She got my best interest if she she she watching she already know. My easy knows me. When I'm off my square I don't have the the answer right now? With that person you hurt all of her comments and opinions really going either make or break your coughing. 'cause like my Mama telling me to decide who ooh Gabby is probably your husband. That's what I'm saying but see. My husband always boosts me so much for him to say I mean I guess it would be James Technically because if you are right you not really. You're gonNA take away now because as you look so good and I'm sitting here looking. Thoreau thoreau Amanda Lashes. No nails hair looking like this like you know. And he'll be the first one to say something so I mean for me and my husband he always boosts me. It doesn't matter if it's a bad day. Good day in between day. He likes actually when my hair is natural. Okay and I believe he's like I know I actually liked your natural hair is and I'm just like okay. That's basic I got my sister. I've had to say my sister was at one point. I didn't even and see what was happening to myself. But my mom and my sister saw it but they didn't let me know because they just knew that you know. I don't know why they didn't let me know. Actually Mama let me know. I don't know but because sometimes you know we are people like I know for sure I'm want you can't tell me about it. I definitely maybe because we get defensive. You know what denial we are in the night. Death breath the end of the day. It's a denial stage. We don't want to even the fact that we not in a good place like who wants to beat around week. Yeah I'm hurting. Went through something unlike who wants to actually acknowledge it. But you know crazy when I was in the lowest point in my life and I could have literally you know. I'm not that type of person to do any harm to myself. In the position that was in people that do harm themselves in those states with it took it there. I can see how they could. You know what I'm saying And I pray for people like that you know you gotta find on your strength somewhere but when I was in that low point in my life I literally one day I was just sitting there and I'm like get the fuck up. Get get it together because at the end of the day you have way too much to offer you have children first of all right. You need to get up right and you need these girls because now I have all girls they need to see a strong woman like out your and I literally pull myself out. In that moment I had a moment of realization. And that's number one. Don't you ever allow anyone in the world to have that much control over you so where you yourself. It feels like you are scum and not even in a bad way. I mean obviously I was never abused at type situation like that but it was just an emotional thing is given in a way too much power. You shouldn't have that much power so take you that far down and to this day. I'm able to acknowledge that and say wow I was in a really should he plays and I want to help people like. Don't you ever allow yourself to ever be in that position but I don't think I would have acknowledged had never even been been you know. Yes so for me. It was a great learning experience. I learned myself better at that moment in that dark space then I then all happy I think in life people gotta get knocked down to Indian in rebuild themselves to go through something because I wanNa high horse even you even if you in a messed up relationship you feel like oh I'm doing good. I got a man by my side. You Know He. He's they're based in the chew which you know like when you finally get knocked down from that point you like okay. So what's GonNa Happen with next so when you finally realize was next you like I was the cage. Yes I was I was on it and I'll I'll let you I let you. I let you take that from me. You made me feel like I should be worthy that I have you. Originally it was me in all situations every single time. Would you look back. You like who was the backbone. It is me Who is the provider in this me and I gave you that much power but I think that's back to the self care days that's why it's so important to get it alone time with ourselves so we know we need? We'll we like we'll be going to take what's our limit was are bounded on here. You got to do self care for you. Not for someone Nelly exactly. We have to do that. I'm getting my hair done the way I want to get it done. Not The way that even if it's getting a room at the sweet offered day taking the day you said I'm just GonNa some Chinese carry out and go and go to sleep. It's not just like are you going to get up. I'd like now I'm right here. You're GonNa Cook Pizza. Carry out it only because like you said you really have to step back like our life is. We are importing so many I know right now. y'All have keys. I don't get me wrong kids. There's a lot of work but that's not everything like I don't like when people define me as just a mother. I'm so much more than a mother. Don't do that people I I deal with every day. I don't even know I have kids. 'CAUSE number one is not your business but number two. Don't define me as I. Oh I hate that. Is You gotta be confident as a mom. A wife. Your the three in a creative. I'm confident of frigging night. Okay Eh. But it's a lot of different hats all in as women period so only head that I'm wearing that y'all aren't is the mother but when we get to have our off days of when do we literally literally off they did we get off. We can get off. Uh I know but we do know right. And that's why I say for instance win. Would it's a two. It's every two weeks. It's only two hours but for me. It's clarity is a moment of adult time. 'cause you're not kids adults. Would you go get your. Hey James I wanna get my nails done and he no like I'm not about to bother you. Get those cool. I'm hold before down on. Do not defend it because she like. Okay you know like she does not even know how many times she has saved me. She saved my marriage in so many ways because she allows us to have that separation. You know what I'm saying that some people don't have right but she has saved me autos has you have you gotta keep it together move you do I mean actually GonNa work is a news therapeutic for you. This time though in God do this by it does is it. It is is a little bit quieter time that my mind is a step away because because you're not thinking about show live because when you go to work somebody else might come you like. Let me tell you about what I got going on. In fact you real honey. 'cause I get all the are you busy. That's knocking on my door. Are you busy know what's going on no one. I got too much and you get to take so you get away from the things that you thinking about that you got going on Komo. Let me talk to you. I'm not bragging on your battles or your trials or any of that but our rather rather here which you got going on and actually think in my head like my life is the sheep right Joe. I'm actually doing good compared to everything that I get coming up on. People like a reassurance Mike Okay I'm I am so many ways people's cars the ones that they are Dell are so unfortunate. You know what I'm saying but I also believe too that it is what you do do with those cards. We are all at some point. Live giving this shitty hand. Everybody what is it that you're going to do to get rid of that. She hand you're going to have it. It's not going to fly away are you. Don't are you gonNA break. Are you going to face that shit. Run on like what's up like come on like you know what I mean right and that has to do a lot of different people who you know and I feel like when when people do come to me but like you know I've been through. I understand that I understand that. So wish about to do the right. This one guy. I will not homework. I can't remember what his name was but he was on the radio radio. He's saying cancer. This lady was going on then it ended up. I hate this guy. My life is so awful he said but was it cancer. And I'm like what is. Was it cancer. What are you talking about? Because that's the only thing that you can't come back from so it wasn't cancer and she's like no he said all right then. So what are we talking about. Get up looked at that problem in the face. And I'm like hey answer but I understood what he was the way that she was coming at it was like it was so extreme that she was toxic and she wasn't wasn't gonna be able to pull herself away. His response was was it cancer and she didn't know what he was saying and she runs it again Benedito cancer and I'm like what am I gotta do. Yeah and I guess because one of those things cancer terminal. You really can't come back from a you know it's one of those who blessing if you do you know. I think he was going. I was like Oh my yeah. It's not cancer cancer. It's not right not wrong around but is it cancer. I that's not really my style. That's a little extreme and I'm very I try to be. I'm very picky about health. In word I wouldn't want is a cancer. What so so for me? Yeah no yes. So all in our lady's like what as far as confidence at the end of the day we conclude we are the ones that are responsible for our confidence you know and we are also the ones that are responsible to take those shitty situations hard unto life experiences from them. You end up end of the day. If we continue down that saying she is just GonNa Mbia Shitty life it just is what it is. I mean no one else gives changing like you have to change it. I if you don't change your first then no one else is gonNA change it. You can't just decide that okay. I'm hopping relationship relationship and let my man tell me. Oh I look beautiful every day if I don't feel like I looked university because you have to look beautiful every day and then when his compliment converse like okay okay did not know. I'm the Sheik Right. Because he didn't tell me. Okay I'm good but you have to feel that within yourself before you allow anyone else to tell you how outs a few absolutely yes. That's why the song pretty hurts. Yes she's talks about everything and also adis norms. What makes you feel good? If you need to go do a nail appointment every two weeks Cisco get your have identified. It turns your lashes done. Get your lashes done like you. You know Sierra. What is this year where you going? Two weeks was always popular line but ended today. Do what it is that makes you feel good and do that shit with no remorse. No regret a whole lot of the US and then when you walk into that Lash appointment that nail appointments like right. There's no starting to back. I don't care this is what I WANNA do anyway. And you're gonNa feel good about that. Never go never come on making regrets because once you come on making regrets. Guess what you won't be there the next two weeks you will not. You will not be there next two weeks in the next two weeks you're going to be filling shady. You're going to be like whatever so do we. Don't just do it around tax time. They do you get the volume lashes. You get an extra day but them every we do we in the thirty days later you look like we just say so consistently in every week. Okay all right guys. Thanks for listening. That was morning gorgeous. We we wrapped it up on confidence diffidence and I hope you all were able to take a couple of things away from it and try to just again shape get it together and try to find your happy space whether like we say nails lashes you know whatever yes make sure that you make you your priority because if you're not right nothing around you'll be rice this you gotta keep it together.
Amy Ray Isn't Afraid to Holler
"You're listening to world cafe I'm totally Langer. My guest today is Amy Ray who right now is in the UK at Peter Gabriel's studio in bath making a record with her musical partner of a longtime Emily Saliers together, they are indigo girls. But what you're going to hear today is Amy's visit to the cafe from the very end of twenty eighteen she stopped by with her band to perform songs from her latest solo album. Our dog me. All but Schofield's coup. Anyway. The band pulled up Amy was riding shotgun and started coordinating unloading all the gear right away. Then I popped down to the green room to give Amy and her band a little rundown of how things would go and found Amy Ray sitting on the couch in a pile of receipts which she had been collecting from her bandmates so she could reimburse them for their expenses on the road. So not only is Amy the leader of this band. She is also the tour manager that is not common. But it's also not that surprising. It's an approach that kind of goes hand in hand with the take your business say what you mean persona on display in her songs, and it's true to the DIY origins of indigo girls. We'll talk about all of that coming up, but Amien her band. Start us off with a song called sparrows boogie. It was inspired by the poet Byron Herbert Reece who lived in the Georgia mountains, he was farmer by trade and teacher who died by suicide in nineteen fifty eight here is Amy right and her band. Again, scratch. Scrabble. Poets? He was a farm working all to ride all night. Babbel's. The FOX in. He was coach. To the word. Oh. When he went down to Jericho. Spero? In a bid of. Kids. That's. Iraq. Now. Makes us feel. Brace john. Aby Ray world cafe that you are on fire. Jeez. Come on over and have a chat that was Speros. Boogie inspired by the legacy of Byron. Herbert reason the lyric every seed that you sowed every word that you wrote wrote another brought another Sparrow home. I can't imagine a more beautiful thing to say to a writer. Yes. Really? I mean, he did. So he hoped a lot of people. I know a lot of people that have been affected by poetry. I think I think a lot about people that have taken their own life. And I have a lot of friends that have died that way and and relatives and people in my life. And I just you know, I want them to know what they left for their legacy. It's not always completely negative. You know, and it same time also to tell people to hang around 'cause they're doing a lot of good, even if they don't think they are. That's a beautiful that's really important. So there's a song on the album on holler that that you're not playing for a stay. But that stuck out to me. And it was the the song tonight. I'm paying the rent played. But I mean, we'd be happy to have you played everything is so I just wanted to ask. But at though, so you sing in that song about driving all night to sing in Nashville. The Bluebird cafe to pay the rent, and I was thinking about the song Nashville that you had with the integral girl with indigo girls that you wrote on nineteen ninety two's rights passage where you sort of saying about Nashville is a place that forgot. About the human race dehumanizing sort of thing. And now you're singing about on this record is this place to go to pay the rent. So I'm wondering like maybe Nashville is a stand in for the music industry at large in this scenario, or maybe not could you describe your relationship to the city. Well, the thing about so the pay the rent part should explain more like the gigs that you don't want to do necessarily. And I wrote it after Emily, and I'd plan all these private parties. And it was kind of like a deal with the devil where we would make a lot of money. But it was like really hard people be tall. Some beer bottles across the stage and asking us to play like songs, you know, by Jimmy Buffett, or whatever. And and it's and we're not really good at like entertaining parties, like we're more of a playroom songs kind of band. So every time we would leave one of those. I'd be like so mad and be bitter and everything and but then I saw this. Anyway, I saw an episode in Nashville that's TV show where the main character a plays a private party. And she says she has a really great attitude about it. And I was like I need to adjust my attitude about this because she says that the everybody's got a mortgage to pay. Honey, you know, and I was like, yeah. That's true. Even if it's not like a gig that makes you feel good in your soul. It's paying the bills. But what I'm talking about? When I say Nashville in that song as Emily and I used to like drive literally like all the time would drive up there turn around and come right back to play. To songs for writers nights to try to get art work our way in this is when we were, you know, nineteen and so I'm saying like, I don't I don't ever forget about all the dues paid. And also don't mind. Whatever opportunities. I get because either it either is gonna feed your soul or it's going to put food on your table one or the other. And that's like that was like the new Amy attitude 'cause it's important. I mean, it's important to realize that sometimes it's a job, and everybody's got jobs, you know, and and there's and everybody's got to work. And so that's just kind of that song that put all that into perspective for me. Yeah. You Emily are working on a new indigo girls album like right now. Yeah. Not literally right now. She just she's sending me like songs like right and left and I've written like nothing, but I've written. I've actually started about seven songs, but I've got to finished, and she's just keep sending me all these songs on tour with this band. Every day. I get another song. I'm like, okay. She's written like twelve songs now. And they're all great and everything. So might be Amy sings with Emily indigo record. No. We were very excited. We're going to meet her tonight. And I'm in New York, and we were doing a show tomorrow to memorialize a great mentor of our of ours. Maggie Roach that died last year, and so we're doing a show with Suzy and to memorialize. Maggie Roach is one of the great American songwriters. And then we're gonna be starting are practicing and go home and work all through December and January we go to England and record it. Peter Gabriel studio real world studio in bath. Yeah. Oh, oh, that's exciting. So you get to go home for a little while and home. I think I think that we see a piece of your home on the cover of the album, you do the front yard. That's your guard rivers my front, you're okay. So let's describe as backyard early. It's your you're. You're standing for people who haven't seen it. You're like you're standing in this beautiful body of water. And there's trees around you. And so, yeah, we're we're we're live in north Georgia in the foothills of the elections in a little town called Delana gun. It's sort of a kind of music town slash super-conservative. It's like you're either artists or every now, and then part of the other some college students, there's a military school. They're part of the university of Georgia system. So that's an interesting element is well, and then there's a artists community, and then there's musician community and super more conservative agrarian community. So it's a good mix of all different ideas. Really are those two communities like how how close is your closest neighbor, I live. Well, I live on eighty acres. So my closest neighbor is is on the river by me, but not close to it would take me fifteen minutes to get their house. Yeah. But. But it's okay. We move was a hermit. And then I met someone that's not. So I'm kind of living a slash hermetic slash social life. Now, really? My partner of fifteen years is very social. So you know, I was like, well, I'm never going to move from here. So this is where I'm going to live. And so if you are willing to do that, what's this is my end of the thing. And then so her and his thing is that you gotta learn to be more social. So that's what we do. We just we have a lot of friends and Delana canal, and we go out and play music and talk about politics and mix it up with everybody, and it's really fun. And then we have a place in Atlanta too that we go down to and we have a kid who's five and it's good life. But that's the river that live on my partner took that shot. We were trying to do a photo shoot. And I kept falling down. So she was laughing at me. And then as the shot that we'd kept. The one where I'm falling down. I'm not saying. Nothing. Beautiful. You're going to perform the song. Sure feels good anyway for us and you saying about I guess. Something that sounds like what you're describing the the divide where you are in the south between really progressive people and really conservative people. I think or maybe what it is to be in your skin and also in the place that you live and Delana goes, can you tell me a little bit about why that is so complicated. And what we're going to hear about in the song? I think is complicated for everyone that lives in the south generally, even if you're in like a mecca of progressiveness like Atlanta or something, you know, it's like I'm in love with the place that doesn't love me back. Sometimes I mean, that's the bottom line, right? Because it's gay and I'm left wing, and I'm always singing about it. And and not, you know, but the thing is I was raised by pretty conservative parents. They were very compassionate people, but they're pretty conservative. And I mean, my mom's more liberal because my when my dad passed away, and that kind of shifts the dynamic sometimes at your parents, so so it's interesting, but I have a very conservative peripheral family like extended family. So i'm. Mm used to that that dynamic, and I like that dynamic also white, you know, and I can immerse in the community. I don't have to worry about racism, you know. And so it's safer for me. And I think we know where I live. It's going to take a lot longer for us to to to get over racism and homophobia, which I've always found fascinating for us. You know, the gay gay women, you know, in my town. They have so much in common with the good old boys that it's like we all get along. You know, we like pick up trucks, and and dog, you know, and and farming, you know, and we talk about it all the time. But it's like if you're gay man or your person of color is a lot harder. So I think I I really I look at that. And I'm talking about that in the song. And I'm talking about how this is. This is our legacy as the south, you know, and and in the civil rights movement was very important and the legacy of hate is very important to come to terms with. And and I know you're better than this. And that's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? You're a no you have it in you to get past this and from your mama's, you're better. Than hanging to song. Do you ever? Yeah. Do you ever see neighbours at the grocery store who are like I heard what you said about us in that song? I want to tell you something about it. Yes. I do. I do. I mean, I have plenty of people that I see. Yeah. I have people I play shows locally and do a lot of benefits in town. And with the churches and stuff we raise money for different homeless populations because we have a few homeless about seventy five homeless families in our community. Yeah. They tell me they say, it's usually like misrey. I don't really like what you're saying politically. But I like your music, and that's just what they say. And it's very simple. You know? And it's fine. I don't I mean, I don't mind that honestly, I think we all have to have difference. We have to we cannot solve problems. If we do not have different perspectives. I mean hate is not is not part of that equation. You know, what I find is that a lot of the folks that I work with plus my the dad of my child is gay man in town, and he lived there is whole life and his whole family and all his relatives. Go way back, and you know, he's just an ambassador for the gay community. Everybody loves him to death. And it's like you when you start one on one with people, they find it hard to hate you. And even even the people call her my community. It's like the ones that are very strong, and they work against this. They they end up the class president of local college was a black gay man at one point, which is I mean, if you knew our community, it's remarkable. So it's like things happen. Like that that give you hope we're. We're all from different backgrounds. We have different sexualities in different religions, but we can still solve these problems together. So that's kind of what I try to do with my art sometimes too. We play the song. Yeah. Thank you. This is Amy Ray with surfers good anyway. Bath. Cross back. Don't be addressed. Dan. He would all three. Don't. Schoff used. Sweet. Is the last song we recorded for the record? I was working on it. While we record and everything else. I kept saying guys I'm gonna one more song. I promise because I was trying to make myself really finish it. And then it did which is a lucky thing. This. Oh. Two. Shred in. No, sir. Scared. Kin is arriving. Frade of. Booster? Such a beautiful. It's really beautiful. That's Amy Ray live at world cafe so about a year ago. I guess brandy. Carlisle was sitting pretty much where you are right now. And we were talking about her album, by the way, I forgive you. And brandy is somebody who opened for UNM LA's indigo girls in two thousand seven she took part on this album too. And the like funny who moment I'm having now as as you were talking about your child who's five years old. And that this child's father is a gay man who lives in your community, brandy, and I were sitting here and talking about the lyric, by the way, forgive you in the song, the mother where she was singing about having her first child, and she's saying the world it stood against us made us mean to fight for you. And I was wondering if you had to get mean to fight to have a kid too. Yeah. I think that's a good. That's a good. That's a good line in that song brainy. So great. I'm. I don't know if I feel exactly the same way about that. I mean, I feel like. You know, I do feel like a mama lion. Sometimes. And you know, I mean everybody feels that way with a child or a younger sibling or something where you would fight for them. So I don't internalize as much the idea of having. This this struggle you human rights struggle for this kid. I don't know why don't internalize that yet. I think it's because I'm I'm surrounded by like there is seriously like a village where I live. That's raising this this kid because her dad, you know, has a partner, and they have so many friends, and so she's got like numerous grandparents aunts and uncles. And so it's more like. I I'm just great. I'm grateful. I don't feel that burden on me to be honest with you. I I have just a loving network. That's pretty incredible. I mean the day she was born. Down atlanta. I mean, it was like people were just pouring out. This was like all relatives to and all like super close, friends or just pouring out of the waiting room for this one child. She's like loved like like, I feel more for to be honest. I feel like for the I think I always think about the kids over in Syria and the kids that are coming up through the border and just this. I have this one child that's like loved by so many people and as seriously like so many places that she could be living, you know, as well, so many rooms in my house and two houses. And I always think like we could there could be twenty more that we could take care of my partner doesn't feel the same way all the time. But that's I just feel more in that that realm I think and I live in an area where a lot of kids need foster parents, and there's a lot of meth and and problems with drugs and stuff. So a lot of addiction. So I think yeah, I mean, I know where brandies coming from and I know her so I know where she's coming from. So, but I think I'm just got we got lucky. Yeah. You know, there's a song album called Jesus was a walking man hasn't methods. I think for people about what true faith is what do you want people to know as a as a person of faith about what what that is? Well, I mean, I you know, I was raised in the church and went to church about three or four days a week. So I'm Protestant Methodist, and very Jesus oriented just in my social my construct. You know that that thing that Joseph Campbell talks about, but I also religion major. So I love Judaism and Buddhism and taking them but on anyway. So I think like I think the thing that I I I wrote this song was walking man because it's about Jesus as a as a figure either historical figure, or if you're don't believe that with logical figure of this man that that was about the gospel. And what true love is which is like tolerance and acceptance and giving the coat on your back to someone else. And so I would say, you know, and I think a lot of communities of faith, actually, the border wall, the border issues actually communities have faith. They're pretty good about that a lot of them. And they really. Welcome people refugees. A lot of them do when you really get down to it. You know, the Mormons and blog people talk about that. The problem is like when when our authorities use religion or the bible as a reason to not welcome refugees. And I just I it's it's it's not it doesn't make any sense to me because I believe in the gospel. I believe it will we're better off the more. We open up and stead of clamping down there. Let's listen to the song. What? Traffic and he knows everybody. That's Jesus was walking man from Amy race you album called holler. And the voice that you just heard. There was Ruth may Harris who's a really amazing lady one of the original freedom singers from Albany, Georgia just real quick just tell me what it was like she must be getting on in years. So it must have been something to like go find her and get her to record that friend of mine that knew that knows her and said, and I was talking about wanting someone to do like a pre sermon during the middle of the song, and my friend was like, I'm friends with with one of the original freedom singers. And I was like, oh that sounds exactly like what I want. So I got an introduction. And I drove down about four hours down from where I live to Albany and. Just went into her neighborhood and walked up to her door knots on it. I mean, I I called her a couple times, but and we left each other messages, but I didn't actually physically talk to her. So. So she say you just show up at her door juniors woman in the whole world. But I was so nervous to meet meter. She's so compelling as human issue is one of the regional freedom. Singers, went to every Marsh, and she's still tours around and talks about the civil rights movement and sing songs, and I have a friend Toshi Regan, whose whose mom who's mom. I knew knew her. So I called a texted Toshi on the way down there. I was at pecan STAN. And I was like I'll text she and I texted her, and I was like I'm going to see this woman. I think you may know her because I was so nervous. I wanted like something to connect with on to-. She's like, Amy I got your back. She practically raised me just tell her, you know, me and you'll be fine. And that's what I did. I did. And I went with Toshi Reagan just like, I was so nervous. I was like, I'm just intimidated are. But she was great. She never usually talks in studio sessions usually just seeing so she was like really into like the new thing of like doing a speaking part. Instead, and then she sewn to as well. So it's really moving. She's cool. That's really moving. So you've one more one more song to do for us today. And it's called didn't know a damn thing. Now when I think about you, and how outspoken you are about progressive ideas. I think of you as somebody who has always been that way. I think that's our perception. And what an interesting song, this is where you sing about all all of the parts of history that you might have missed and what the boy on the bus next to you might be going through that you didn't even know about. So before he play the song. Just just why did you wanna let us know what you have to say this song because I think we can all relate to this idea that we go through life of somewhat sheltered sometimes, and there's all these things going on around us that are really big and we should be taking the moon, and we don't always take them in. And then you you realize the impact later and growing up in the south, especially I grew up in the civil rights movement was still going on all around me. I mean, there were lynchings happening. In Alabama and Mississippi and people dying and bombings in Atlanta. And the Atlanta child murders in the clan had a camp at Stone Mountain pork where I had girl scout camp every three times a year. I went out there all the time. My friends were all actors on the train route around the mountain that had a depicted a scene of Indians and Cowboys fighting each other and they all dressed up like Indians. And you know, I drove around Camaro with a Reagan bumper sticker on it half my life. You know, I I just was I've been through it. You know, I was pro-life for a long time. When I was a young child and church and saw all the movies about fetal parts and it disturbed me. So I became pro-life. And then I discovered, you know, the reality of feminism and women's issues, and so I'm just saying I've been through it, you know, and I know what it's like to be on both sides of it. And and to be to have that click moment where you're you're enlightened in. I'm not saying, I'm not disparaging other people's beliefs. I'm. Saying like for me when I learned the truth about all these things. I was like, wow, I didn't know anything and my church sheltered me. My school sheltered me. My parents Solter me, and they all had the best intentions, but what it did is it it kept me from no one what was really going on. So that's what the song's about. Thank you. Doc in Joe. Did know them. Bam. Didn't know tempting. Code. Didn't know damn. Oh land didn't know. But as what hang. In the. Earn. I was in the crib. It would take them the blow. River. Didn't know damn. Didn't know damn. Down. The commander. Free. Say. Hanging with girls. Around the camp. The june. I was just. No. Thanks to the ban convertible band. Amy ray. How amazing right? We're so lucky. Thank you so much. Amy Ray her latest album her solo album is called holler. And as you told us right now, apparently she is making a new indigo girls record with Emily Saliers. So we will keep our ears peeled for that one. Thanks so much to Amy and her band for being here to perform songs for us. Hey, if you Doug listening to this. If you're still with me right now, you might be listening on the NPR one app. And if you are you might wanna hit that interesting button or share this session with a pow through the app help it reached some more ears. If you're on. I tunes rate us if you're sitting in your apartment thinking, I don't know what I'm listening on. But I have enjoyed this. Well, thank you so much for listening. 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Ep 459 - The Stone Sky (Broken Earth #3), by N.K. Jemisin
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A book talks the other person about it and usually it's book we haven't read before this week. I read the stone sky by an k. Jemison it is the third book in the broken earth trilogy. Finally we're going to break this earth this time a wide open. I read the fifth season in ups for up to eighty five and the obelisk eight. Just a few weeks ago for episode four fifty four pre pumped to get back into this one Be able to finish a series for the show because we we can't always justify reading every book in a series that we start our yes. She did this a real favor by winning awards for each book series. Yeah come on. Everybody else needs to make sure that each of their books is equally critically acclaimed. This one came out. Twenty seventeen won. The hugo nebula locus awards and is kind of from what i can tell from the authors note at the end pre jemison is kind of crediting as like the transition into her like now Incredibly well acclaimed well-known fulltime career as an author. She was still working as a counselor. I believe During some of the publishing history of the first two books and she had started like patriarch on To support her writing and she also mentions that others. Note that in the run-up to this book and some of that patron funding allowed her to focus on the last few years of her mother's life and that this book and the series of particular. She's really ruminating on motherhood As she takes care of her mom and goes to that whole transition and then transitions into now and k jameson. the incredibly well known successful author And that's all she does. This is an interesting little perspective on like coming to the end of a trilogy but kind of opening another chapter. You know book meta force that. Do you have any thoughts on like closing series third entries or not whatever like the last book in a series as we get in. Yeah because we talks about the second entry number two in a trilogy yet or the last episode where we were talking about the second book would you know and how those they have a really tough time because a first entry is sort of your exposition and you tell a story that kind of feels self contained. Maybe feels that way. Because you're not always sure that you're going to get a chance to write like further books in the series and so as a kind of thing that draws people in makes them wanna learn more but also can stand on its own and then books two and three. He'd often seem to be like another like narrative unit together. Yeah yeah and so. It is easy for a second entry to feel kind of shapeless or like the whatever like dramatic tension or like narrative peak hits toward the end can feel a little artificial just because it like thrown in there because it has to be not necessarily because that's the best place for But yeah the third book in a trilogy. I feel like it has an easier time. Both because you are ending a thing and i think ending a thing is easier than writing one big chunk in the middle. That just continues. Yeah probably You get to. I don't know you can talk a little bit about whether this book does this but i think it is easier to make click references to the first book and you know comment through that on like how far we've come and like some loops Yeah it's i don't know you and freed of the need to write anything else about these characters and this. This is how this is significantly different from a first part but but freed of the need to use these characters in the future. You are maybe a little more unchained to like. Kill all of them or like change of the status quo and some in some way that wouldn't be satisfying if if to continue but is satisfying to like anything. Yeah that's yes. That's i think that's probably fair. So we will probably not be doing much more info on jemison on this episode. You can go back and listen to those previous episodes I'll do kind of ten thousand foot view of what the series is up to you in just a second but you're right on the money. My feelings about the obelisk gate. The previous entry were that it set up some cool stuff but it its own internal narrative arc just kind of felt like the stakes were pretty low and i don't think that they were low. Characters believed that they were very high stakes but like compared to the first book and compared to what it is clearly setting up in the third book. That's a weird thing that middle books have to do which is like they are telling you that the next book is going to be even more important. Yeah i feel like there. This is maybe some. I'm just making. I feel second. Books are prone to like macguffin itis because you need. You do sometimes need to manufacturer thing to make that second entry. Have a narrative shape while you're also and that's not to say that macguffin aren't like prevalent throughout fiction. I do think in a second entry. It is more common for the seems to show through a little bit. I don't know. has that been your experience. I think that when when it really. I'm trying to think of an example. But i do think that there can be entries in the middle of a trillion where you have to you introduce something just to move characters from place to place or to or to change the situation but it's not ultimately something that matters in the in the grand scheme of things. I think that's what you're talking about in this one. They're the obelisk gate. Didn't really i don't think it's suffered from nitis. I do think that the community of kostroma where our protagonist 'soon spends all of her time in the second book. It has a like a beginning middle and in that book and then we are moving on and that is interesting in the story of that community. But i think my takeaway was like. I know we're not going back like this. It was fine to spend time here. But i'm really eager to get to the part where we're like pulling the moon out of space with our earth magic like come on. Let's get there and that's just drag my memory that that community extrema is the one with all the people who sing really high That's a way homer. Just think about that. One for a woman judges. Let that sit. Yeah it's like a fine you just gotta let. Let's talk about the world of these books before we get too far afield. Here's what i member. Yeah why don't you tell me what you remember. What i remember is that in this world periodically the world ends and people are always sure what the reason is r. And i recall it being kind of an open question as to whether these things are like inevitable or if they are like human caused But because the world ends periodically people are people in this world are like very wary of the magic users because they're like simultaneously like protecting the world but also destroying it sometimes right and then that's what i remember. Yeah so that's a that's a good thing to start with the magic users that we meet at the beginning of the series are called or jeans they practice. It is magical. It is supernatural I in thinking about the third book where we deal a lot with what they just literally call magic and is somewhat different from rajini as a earth ability i found myself categorizing the earth stuff as more as like x. Xm power like. It's a thing that you can do in control. But it's kind of built into you as a person like the in a way that's different from like i could do magic magic magic. You can learn and a rods. You have to have from birth badgering okay. Rodney is manila espino. Even if i didn't know a four. Oh here's here's the difference. Rajini is the ability with these like little organs. That are in your head. And i think everybody has them but you know or genes have better ones than others at the base of their brain. You can not only detect and feel like seismic events and energy but you can manipulate thermal and kinetic energy to like stop earthquake. 'cause earthquake turns someone to ice by removing all the heat in their body. Those are the things you can do and three things. Yeah with some chain with a few variations on that and in the first two books setup that these or genes are controlled and detested by society. They are a marginalized class if a community. If your community learns that you might be an orgy scene. They are probably gonna try to kill you because without any sort of training if you get like threatened or otherwise have. Some sort of emotional outburst. You're likely to just kill a bunch of people by accident Let alone the fact that there's all sorts of cultural stories history that teach people how dangerous you are responsible for all the seasons that show up every few years and kill everybody. But maybe you get sent to this place called the fulcrum and you get trained to be good at it and so your oppressors are like giving you a purpose that makes you a cog in the machine and then some or genes are like cool with that. Because they're like well least i have like some security and a reason to be here and even hate me at least i know what i'm up to and are the main characters though. We spent time with their like. This sucks like. I was into this system until i learned how crappy it was and now i'm gonna try and overthrow it. The magic system that we were introduced to in the second book and then we spent a lot of time. Talking about in. The third book is called magic. And it's not like spelled weird doesn't have to jeez or a k. or is this magic and it is very restrained of jemison to yes it is sort of the force it is sort of the mystical life force that binds all things in the universe. It is manifest as like silvery threads of energy that only people. Who can you know who are tuned to it can like see and manipulate. Everybody has them. everything alive. Has some of this magic in it and we learn later in the book that if you put enough magic into an inanimate thing it can become alive Like a cup more. I mean more like a big floating rock in the sky that you pump dramatic into. Yeah it doesn't make about monster no it just kind of becomes like a rock with wants a needs now and a little bit like that. Guess it asks you questions And these are not like. What's what i find fascinating about these two systems together or ogoni and mad and the magic that we discover is that they don't innately cancel each other out though they don't like they don't behave well together like if you if you really get into using magic at least the people in the present of this story It's because you got into using the obelisks which the big floating stones in the sky and if you used them too many times you become stone and you're screwed so and it can mess up your ability to use a rajini without becoming further stone person but the magic is tied to father earth who you may remember from previous entries in the series andrew. He's the planet that everyone lives on and he's mad at humanity because the moon's gone and that's all we know in the earlier entries of the of he really liked the moon. Well the moon is like his his begotten son like the moon is like his child that he used to have and the moons been gone. None of the living people on the planet ever remember there being a moon and the story goes that once humanity did something that the moon. That's when all the seasons started okay. And so at the end of the second book our protagonist as soon she is going to Based on what her now stoned and deceased unclear. He's a stone man now. I guess Her love or alabaster was like. Hey you gotta catch the moon when it flies back past the earth and that's going to end the seasons like catch it and put it in orbit. Do you think the uninhabited planets are jealous of inhabited planets or are in have do inhabited planets have like a disease like head lice or something and they're pariahs in a the collecting community. That's a good point. We don't father. Earth doesn't talk to any other planet. So i don't really know maybe he's in quarantine maybe. They've ostracized him. Because he has all these people in a very good and we killing the moon and make him quake and yeah. I bet the other planets are pretty pretty cool to not have humans on them more amid the yuban suck a and i just i just bet mars is like you don't don't get too close earth yet your good coming over here and say see water and landed satellites and when let's not. Let's not do this. Earth is the asteroid belt after mars. I don't know do we have it. S in the. That's not part of the song that i learned about the order. The planet's it's going. Can you sing it right now. please now okay. Well venus earth not okay. So far the earth we catch the moon and so maybe the seasons will end. It will probably like up end society if the season's end right because we've got we've built this whole caste system around surviving through seasons and marginalizing these origins and all sorts of stuff. Great as soon as daughter-in-law soon who we met in the second book for one of the main characters from the second book The second book ends with her killing her dad because he could never accept the fact that she was in a row an origin. She has been just like forcibly adopted herself to this guardian shefa used to be essence guardian and the guardians are cast of people that earth that literal father earth uses to control the orange sheets. These books rule sounds like a like a thread and earthy controls. That's what these literally. The earth controls this caste of warriors with putin little iron stones at the back of their head. Yeah now that's unlikely story a likely store. Okay and nasi with schofield. But she has been under the influence of a stone eater. named steel and the stone eaters are like if this book had elves in it. They'd be stone eaters but like she was like that's boring. I'm gonna make creatures that are like made of rock and you don't know what they do and they can teleport through the earth and they when people turned to stone they show up at start eating the parts of the people that are stone and nobody knows why they do it and it's great stone. Eaters are great. But this don't eater. Steel is really into a burn. It all down theory of fixing the apocalypse is so he is working on the soon to get her to grab the moon and just slam it into the and just ruined everything that will probably make. They're not like the moon is much no and it might just destroy the earth outright which i think is what steals counting on and so this book which i'm i guess i'm only just beginning darbar now but anyway it's fine. We got time all the time. The world thank u s soon is on the road with the Former the people of formerly of kostroma which she had to destroy to save them there on route to a deserted city Residents she turned into glass as revenge for their invading force on her community Who revenge yup. But they have to like you know they have to go on a big journey. Oregon trail style To get there which involves going through a stone forest and evil desert It's it's cool stuff but ultimately it's can this community get their you know they will. They're gonna lose. Along the way. I think the the deaths would be cooler. In sci-fi landscape the dying of dysentery. You get turned into glass. It's pre dope when people get turned in glass in these. I mean it's sad and scary but also it's pretty cool. Okay i bet. The difference is whether you are viewing it or whether you are expert. Yeah and nas soon. Story is moving from This like southern community that she was in with shafa. They have to kill these guardians. Who want to kill her She's killed her father. Her father is gone and she needs to get to. This place called core point which is on the other side of the planet that no one ever goes to so this the known world known bland. Mass is called the stillness to supercontinent that. Everybody lives on On the other side of the planet. There's this city called core point where there's also just a big hole in the world like just goes all the way to the center. It's a big black hole. That goes all the way to their core. Sure sounds rad. And no one ever goes there. No one can get there But the stone eater. Steel knows the way to get her there and know soon if she gets. There can harness power in that city to summon the obelisk gate herself to bring the moon down on earth and destroy it and her motivation is really built out of this. Like she's ten or eleven. I think her dad killed her brother and then never accepted her and so she had to kill him because he was threatening to kill her her mother s soon left during the first apocalypse of these of this story And now all she has. Is this guardian shefa. Who does love her. But she is very aware of the fact that like she will never be accepted wherever she goes People hate her just because she is. What does she say. They'll just go on being scared forever and we'll just go on living like this forever and it isn't right. There should be a fixed. it isn't right. there's no end to it. And she has some like hesitation where she's like. Should i destroy the world. Because i do love this guy shot but he's a cool surrogate dad and he's like listen. I'm thousands of years old. And i'm really sad about my life and you're sort of the only person who cares for me back and if you want to destroy the world you go right ahead like that'd be really cool. I do really like the like she she is. She is deciding whether to destroy the world based on how it affects her personally. Like about what. It does to anybody else who might be living on that planet at the same time. Well it is a very like ten or eleven year old things feel a guess she she has this stone eater speaking to her being like. Yeah they there's no way out of this And stuff also tells her later in the book that the earth father earth like created the stone eaters as punishment for them. 'cause eaters don't die either and so they are like cursed with this eternal life. It's sort of. They're not vampires but there is this element of like. What would it be like to be forced to live on like a geological timetable still have interpersonal relationships. And like what would that do to how you felt about people around you and and that being a form of punishment is the thing that people talk about a lot throughout the book and so steals. If i had to know you for like can allow that would go. I mean based on. Like the i was sixteen seventeen years. It's been okay. But that's that's the drop in the bucket. Yeah geologically yes oh my god yeah. Seventeen thousand years Who can say well over. If i mean overdue will probably still be going then so when we when we get to our ten thousandth episode we will. We can cover. Oh my god. Yeah and i really like about we. I'm glad you you actually kind of mentioned the personal nature of knossos decisions. Because there's a couple pivotal moments along her journey where she almost changes course because she thinks that like she's worried about what's going to happen to shop like she's very motivated by this one interpersonal relationship. That is actually like somewhat successful in her life and if she is thinks that this will harm him then she doesn't want to do it and actually that's when steele brings up the. Hey listen not only are the stone eaters. Thousands of years old but also the earth made the guardians thousands of years old. Also and. don't you think that this sucks for him. While you just blow up the earth a help him you love him so much. Come on kid. Let's do shit so like her story. Is this like fascinating It's almost like an the whole actually the series and this is a. It's not a we have to. It's not not a save the world story but every version of saving the world in this universe involves destroying it in some way it involves either destroying the status quo it involves literally destroying the earth. And just pla who knows like doesn't matter what happens on the other side everything that's here now is bad. We gotta get rid of it. There's no like it's not like a saturday morning. Cartoon where the auto bats are cool and then megatonne is like what if it wasn't cool and then they have to like defend the status quo and like it always comes back to normal right. This is very much about transformative change. Which is something that Jemison has talked about. I have a quote from hers is just like a like different sides deciding like how much and how like transformative to be or yeah. Yeah a little bit. Because they're sounds like it sounds like ending the season system at all would would burn something down. Yes it would but it doesn't. It's still. I feel like it doesn't rise quite to the level of destroying the whole planet by crashing the moon into it correct and there there is a third option I know. I think. I mentioned on the last podcast that i've watched jemison place a mass effect on twitch and so i'm aware of her like knowledge of narrative like kind of game design after there is a third option that emerges at one point where. We're not soon like well. I can't just say like she. The obligate is so powerful that you can't just make it do like one tiny thing like if you do something with these networked magic stones in the sky is gonna be a big effect. It's a huge eo e blast of something and so she's like well. I could save shafa by turning everyone into stone eaters like maybe vats the option like. Maybe i make everyone immortal rock creatures rather than let this man. I care about die. I feel like a bad compromise to me not there. I don't know yes. Jefferson says about things what i wanted to play with the concept of wendy. We consider an apocalypse to have begun and ended because in a lot of cases what's considered an apocalypse for some people is what other people have been living every day. It's not the apocalypse. It's just an apocalypse for you. And so when people say the world has ended but as soon as world has been ending most of her life. This is nothing new so that is her response to like. Is this apocalypse fiction. Like what's going on. She's very aware of created a world where there are perpetual apocalypse. Means that you can get away with playing with the nation of fuck lips. Ask so. I'll come back to nas or no. Let me just shout out. There's a cool scene with no soon where she Encounters some dead civ technology which is the term for dead civilizations and pre from previous seasons. Ya go from before there. Were even these apocalypse seasons from just when the world was a little bit more stable and this advanced civilization had like crazy like plant tech like magic infused organic material. Technology reminded me of that book. dawn by octavia butler. I i read. I think it was dawn where they were like there. Were like lifts and subways and stuff but it was all like plant creatures like everything was alive and she goes into earth. She encounters what is called a v. Himal- andrew excuse me of v hmo take the word animal and vehicle and smash together all right. I'm going to be thinking about better better different way. Let's say that. And she takes a vehicle through the center of the earth to get to that core point place where she does literally stare at the molten silver iron core of the earth and it like sorta talks to her and tells her how angry it is. And it's just a really. I don't know it's very striking visual. It has all sorts of human faces. It's very dante like there's a bunch of people's faces in the molten medal Because apparently it's just been collecting people jamming itself. Yeah i mean. That's the best way to make anything. Creepy too is just to put people's databases. It's sick it's pretty good. I played a lot of games. It felt and it felt like the encounter with it in wrinkle in time like knowable thing that is a very different type of sentence which is kinda cool. I'll quickly mentioned how the as soon plot works. Because then i want to get to. What i think is really fresh about this book and surprised me about it as a third entry. The assume plot is the one i mentioned earlier. That is sort of like an organ trail community on the run Or on the migration story and her big hurt her like recurring plot is like am. I gonna leave this community to go save to go find my daughter and go save the planet theory. Remind me like where she falls. On the like ending the seasons versus destroying the world the spectrum like what is what is heard grand designed for all her plan. Is that by catching the moon lasso. The moon it's a wonderful lifestyle. She will make father earth like happy again or appeased and these really awful seasons will stop. It will probably not end the immediate season that they're in which there's lots of ash in the sky. There's acid rain. It's pretty bad out there but it will stop them moving forward And she she thinks that's a good plan but she does have to get away from this community that she has become a part of that despite her like kind of worst intentions people care about her and she cares about them ups. She is also glad that her player plan is shoot for the moon. Even if you miss your land among this yeah she went to kindergarten. She seen the posters on the wall and so we kind of a rogues gallery of characters who support her that ultimately have a number of them show up at the final battle with her even though they don't really do anything because it's too dangerous for them but they're there and she ultimately again wants also like save her daughter somehow and so that i think that this plot is honestly like i thought it was interesting and i really do like as soon as a character. It's the most. Well i found to be the most conventional of the three main plotlines just because it was like. Yeah we gotta get her to the thing and we gotta get to the place and then. She's got to decide what she wants to do. Like that didn't it was enjoyable to read and it was nice to like meet some new characters to get reintroduce some characters from the first book but it wasn't the as surprising as some of the chapters. Were and the hoa chapters which i'll talk about in a second you've got so no just a as the protagonist from the first book like the one. Where part of the book is her when she was young and then the part of it is her when she was older. And you don't know that they're the same character until toward the end that correctly totally correct. Yeah i'm like. I don't know what other use as an example but i do think there are. There have been other stories. I've read where. I think maybe the author gets more or maybe just the story runs more toward characters who were like secondary or tertiary early on and then the the earlier like main character starts to feel a little like an after thought. Well you know what i mean like. Maybe sometimes maybe the author realizes they're more interested in other characters than they were in the original main character. I don't like the way you're describing. It makes it feel like her. Decisions are like th. The potential impact of them is just smaller than what nasa soon can do bide like picking the way the world gets destroyed. It's not necessarily that. They are that they would have less impact on the world. But as the reader as me craig the reader i felt like there was a a more limited possibility space of whereas soon story would go okay like i could tell she's gonna come up with a you know a way to get know soon. She is going to still end the story feeling more connected to the people around her than when she started That's because i've spent two books with her. So like i can predict those things whereas soon as a bit more of a loose cannon. I don't know where those top are going to go. And then also jemison has introduced. The these interludes all told from the perspective of hoa the stone eater who in earlier books attached himself to not literally but starts following around as soon after she uses a novelist for the first time because when or gene start turning stone stone eaters show up to them and start eating the stone parts of them. You learn over the course of this book that is actually a form of procreation which is now. We're after they like e all of you than they can like make you again as a stone eater. Yeah the microphone. Didn't pick up the face that i just made of that. Be dare the pause with me. Making a face and you folks who've listened to the previous episodes or folks you've read. These books may remember that at least one of the 'soon perspectives. And every time we see her since the first book her tappers are always told in the second person by hoa to her Which i you know you can. I could tell in the second book. Hoa is attempting to relay Essenes life to her for a purpose which you discover at the end of this book sure So like the entire narrative is almost is like a big betcha. Guja of him being like. Here's who you are is in patrick. Cuccia like when you throw like a powerpoint party everyone does a presentation like a fifteen minute presentation on something. I'm not gonna tell you wrong. I've never heard that word before. Cuccia i know the concept. You're talking about. But i've never heard that word. Okay i might be deploying a little loosely stamp. I dunno peggie cuccia. Sounds like sort of a ninety s 'electronic pet. Yeah i left my petrich kitchen in my locker and it made a bunch of noise. It's not gotten trouble. My family couldn't afford tamagotchis but they did give me a pitch cuccia and died. Yeah the batteries on the petrich coaches always ran out really good So let me talk about. And his story because honestly. I wasn't expecting the third book to do this. Like preposterous amount of world building by going all the way back before any of the seasons were occurring and find yet another way to explore what it is for a powerful people to exploit and oppress a marginalized people So we learn that the stone eaters Were created sort of based on a subjugated population by the people of sil. Anna gist in sill. Energised are the dead saved. That i mentioned earlier. Who used a mix of like science and biotech and like rav magic. Build their cool plant world and they've got all sorts of cool technology. There's lots of the the phrase gene nearing is used a lot like. That's the best pronunciation. I could come up with but like you know a mix of genetic engineering and eugenics guess. It's kinda okay. Engineering is right there. It is right there instead by the Gene gene gene. Gene engineering is there. And so we and also you can't spell eugenics without eugene. You could just call it you. I guess oh no so. The people have still an just use their technology and power to conquer to other neighboring like societies one of them the knee s. I think th niece multiple pronunciations and spellings in the book. They don't view magic the same way as the sill and just people do these niece folks they view it as kind of like a cool thing you can do like. They're a little bit. More likely hippy. Dippy socialists who like make art with magic rather than make capitals consumption with magic. Which i is kind of what is happening in just which they are using magic to power their world and all of their technology and so it creates this consumption mentality where they're always looking for more and better ways to use magic and this neighborhood people are like. I don't know. I miss some art with it and low and behold the art that one of the made is like kind of a perpetual energy machine. Because it doesn't care about like what it does with the energy and so they conquer those people and They spread out as like a day. Bre the way that it talks about. The desperate reminds me of like the jewish aspirin. The african is is just an interesting way to talk about like different marginalized communities. I think the book six these series succeeds overall as an as an exploration of oppression by not being an analog to any one real world situation yeah usher I think it actually. That's one of the reasons. I think these these books have rarely landed for folks anyway. These people back in the before times Their goal was o. Are kennedy andrew. Gio are candidy seeks to establish portmanteau stuff at me right now. i don't know how to feel about. Gr kennedy seeks to establish an energetic cycle of infinite infinite efficiency. there's successful the world will never want or strife never know what or strife again or so we are told host says and so these people in the before times these oppressors they create Hoa and several people like him based on this Subjugated people than yes almost like exacerbating the stereotypes of them in there gene engineering so like making them better at using magic like breeding them to be better at it but also like heightening their features make an like kind of reinforcing the tails and biopsies that get used to justify their marginalisation and this is something that we also see in the other books about the origins who are bred by the ruling classes to be like at rajini but also makes them scarier and also makes them in greater need of control so the this background story which gets chunked out throughout the book is about hoa and the other tutors they are called. They have not become stone eaters yet and they are being put to work. They don't even really know that there are people that they have been given person hood really. They're like a network of folks who dislike live in a building. And it's sal. It all sounds like computer stuff. There's lots of talks about networks but really they're like their essences and minds are with lattices of floating magic rocks and stuff that sounds made up but okay it is made up. I read it in your book. But they have a. Morpheus like figure named qalinle who is a woman who was like the prototype for them this reference to morpheus from the matrix and not morpheus from antiquity right. Yeah yes we're from the matrix. Excuse me and kolin like hey listen. I know that they want you to like turn on this plutonic engine. Which is what they're calling it aka the obelisk gate and She's like he'll listen. I need you to understand where you came from. Because i was made before you and your ears and the bees. Yeah and what she tells them about the subjugated people that they are For lack of a better word inspired by She tells them about how the the route this ruling class extracted a bunch of magic from the earth. And they don't now they wanna like extract more than they just have this kind of it kind of gets into some like my personal reference for it is like fancy seven like at some like we're extracting the life force of the earth in such a way that the earth is going to get pissed at us in like fight back like that's kind of. I don't know there's somethin'. They'll get it. i was going to like. It's kind of like what we're doing to the earth. Yeah the earth can't fight back against to like get uninhabitable. See i guess right sure okay. Fine and these these chapters ultimately build towards them planning a revolution For reasons both personal and macro of like well we are being oppressed. We have do. We have kind of learned the ways in which we are being used in the harm that we are causing. We're not going to do that. We're going to go along with this mission and then we're gonna mess it up when we're inside of it because no one else can do this but us and funny thing is you can't use whatever magic networking spell they wanna use the earth whilst they're standing on the earth so they get via mobile and fly to the moon and they're in the moonbase which i did not expect to go to a moon base and they kind of revolt but the earthquakes and it's like oh you're trying to mess with me I'm gonna get mad about it and so the full revolution can't really happen though. The big bad initial very first fifth season does occur. A bunch of people get killed. And these tuners hoa and the people like him become the stone eaters as punishment and the moon gets knocked out of its orbit. And so you learn that. This is where that came from. And i don't know it was just a rad complete departure from the present tense of this world that i certainly did not expect to happen in the third. Entry of sure I every time you say via more. I know i can't believe that you were saying this word to me. I didn't need to say at that time. But i was like what if is living. Yeah and then you. We know and the the like the present tense. Narrative boils down to s soon in nacion at core point dealing with the moon with harms wife. And they are you know. They sort of like fight as they are attempting to control various obelisks. 'soon networks all like thousands of guardians. Who all have rocks in their heads. Like the magic of this book. Slaps what what do i need it to do. It can do this. Also like jemison lays a pretty strong foundation at which allows her to like. Just do some wild stuff with. Yeah in the book And ultimately nna soon does end up saving the day though. There are some you know. Personal costs that come with that To talk about so. I don't know. Tell me about the experience of of wrapping up the trilogy. Like do you feel satisfied. Do you feel like if in ten years jemison decides that it's time to come back and revisit this or you're going to be excited about like do you wanna read a prequel series about like previous seasons. I don't just tell me. Give me some wrapping up. Thought i'll give you some wrapping up thoughts. I think jemison done. I would be surprised if she comes back. I feel like she accomplish. The ending of the state of the world at the end of this book is about. There's an element of appeasement. We have a piece father earth. We have not defeated him. We do not control him. I mean he sounds mad so it would be hard to do this. We did get the moon back and like gave him a bunch of his magic rocks back and so he's like the book ends with. Are we gonna go out there and make the world a better place. Now that is distinctly more possible to answer. That question is yes. And the books over so i don. I feel like based on what i've read about the politics. Jameson is bringing into this book for her. To explore the answers to that question seems like something she might not be interested in. But i could be sure I am less interested in it. Because i i like that open ended nature of it. But there's log fantastic about it. I bet there is some good fit. I think there's okay. There's a spot in this book. where she it's like she just introduces a town village. Pc to like show up and provide like man on the street perspective on. What's going on. Which i thought was a really cool thing to do. There's no one in lord of the rings who's just like berry from grove street. Who's just like what's up all these hobbits. Anybody here about hobbits. Today i was just thinking about how bad i feel for anybody who listens to our podcast and has never played a super. How an more they must feel especially when we do sci-fi yes. I was just struck by the fact that she took a few pages for soon to meet a man who i don't even know if he has a name mind kevin and he's just like man these obelisks in the sky. This one feels different And like deliver some exposition to her but ultimately is just there. I think to be like yeah. The the normies in this world are freaked out which is kind of a fun. Little flavor beat And i also was struck by in the closes. Okay so i was remembering from the last episode that i read somewhere. That jemison said she basically conceived of this story as one big book even though it was published in three parts So i think that to me helps me deal with my like my initial madness about obligate because this one delivered on. That's yeah I also think that this one because of the weight of the previous two books the way that this book explorers like themes of oppression and themes of course teams of Parenthood which i've probably given short shrift in this episode but like the ways in which different roles that you are playing help to identify help to give you an identity and how that can be both powerful empowering thing and how that can be a very limiting thing hit real hard in this book especially after reading the first two The there's like a whole caste system in this world that like. I don't know that that gets blown up after these three books are over but it does seem to give people like place and purpose Even though we have seen the way in which that is exploited by people in power So that that sort of sounds as i said out loud like some dignity of work stuff that i haven't fully interrogated as a person but it's it's kind of neat and then i was. I think i message about this. I was just struck by. There's like one reference by one character about 'soon being like the hero of this story and it is. It is made offhand by a character who is a laureus who is interested in telling stories in passing stories down but there is nelson speak for speak for the tree saw. yes yes. I forgot to mention app. But there isn't like a prophecy. There isn't a someone will balance this world legacy that are characters are are wrestling with it. Just so happens that these are like the most powerful people on the planet. But there's no like oh and we've you're a secret pal patine. There's no like i mostly it's like there's not like it completely shoes. Any sort of chosen one narrative That's great which is kind of cool. And i actually may be. Wyatt might speak to a lot of people. It helps you see yourself in these characters who are mostly going about like navigating personal relationships while also like flinging rocks and trying to save the moon Yeah i mean. I think making giving the reader a place to i think i'm trying to think about like star wars where you do have like. Preordained prophesied steph versus like lord of the rings where you do have characters who are like that but your audience. Surrogate characters are hobbies. Yeah who just kind of end up there and they. I kind of don't want to be. They're not predisposed to be but then once they're in a do things. I think that the second one creates more interesting like narrative opportunities for me. And i think it's why like lord of the rings a book about like airborne. Oh man and it's just about like dudes walking through the woods until they can be king again and that was all the all the books were. I don't think they would be as fondly remember. I know. I think you're totally right and this book isn't without that kind of stuff. I had this one. Each of the books have had some sort of like chapter intro or al tro convention where there's like text from a diary or something right and this one has every chapter closes with some researcher who's trying to come up with a pattern of the seasons and he's actually uncovering of evidence at the origins. Maybe are what's keeping society alive and maybe we shouldn't marginalize them in a press them and people are like you can't get any more research funding for this. Stop it Which is like a neat little subplot but the yeah. Yeah there is storytelling. In there is legend in this world but we are not dealing with like fabled heroes. There's no are three in like character wrestling with their own destiny kind of stuff and then maybe a. Maybe that is when you're loris writing about this a couple of hundred years later. Maybe you impose that upon this narrative structure but that is not the way that jemison is which is good. Yeah it's an interesting. And of course i sort of take it for granted that like. There's a lot of really interesting Women characters in these books many of the like heads of communities and leaders are women Almost all of the characters or people of color. So i think this has spoken to a a broader fantasy readership fantasy and sci fi readership than your than the folks who have traditionally been served by the genre and the marketing of those genres. So all of the stuff that i've said about what i think works in these books. And then also additional factors of representation exploring modes of oppression. Which i think marginalized groups certainly feel more. acutely is probably why these books have really resonated with people and sure why i found them interesting. I don't know Android you ever want to get in a vehicle with me and see father earth's creepy face. It would depend on the animal that the v. him was made out of like we're flying bird around like cool whatever but if it's like a ferret i got a fair. It would be like the bus of the vehicle a universe. 'cause there's like long can filibuster people. Oh yeah like. They're like those buses that flex in the middle. Yeah yeah because they're super long so they have like the accordion thing but there is just a ferret. Oh man now. I want like future red wall. Space wall Okay yeah this is something to think about everybody. Go home and think about that for a week back and we'll share what we've found inner. Thanks for let me tell you about these books. I really enjoyed them. Thanks for reading all three of them. It's quite an undertaking. it is. i don't always get to read everything in a series. It was really fun to do. So if our listeners have read these books and have opinions you can send them to us at overdue pod at dot com or his up on twitter and facebook at ovary pod. Thanks to amy jail. H mark jake kate. Gm casey jean ray rebecca For reaching out to us in the past week thanks to nick. Landis who composed our theme song andrew folks want to know more about the show or should go just go to overdo. Podcast dot com. Which is our internet website up there. We have links to apple podcast. Google and our s feed. Were also on stitcher spotify. And anywhere else. Where you want to get podcasts. We've got a patriarch page. Patriot dot com. Showed you pod If you go to our homepage and you want to support us and also read along with us. We have links to the books that we have read and the ones we are going to read those goto bookshop dot org which gives business to your local independent booksellers so you can feel good about buying stuff from them What else next week. our friends camille is gonna join us to read a barack obama's book a promised land. Yeah i don't know how that's gonna go. I think it's going to dip into current events and stuff. But i'm having a lot of reactions to our reading it. 'cause i'm also reading and craig i think you're gonna read snippets most interested to know. I have not really read any kind of like political auto by auto body. So i'll just be interested to get your take on that as a format based on on this reading. I'm kind of pumped to talk about that. Because and especially because obama occupies dislike pop culture space to though that book though the book is probably not about. That certainly cool. I'm going to go practice. Meyer rajini andrew Turn an animal into a car. Cool us yeah sick. love it like a hippo. I guess. I have to be a pretty big animal to like fit car inside it. Yeah that'd be sweet. Yeah and i'm going to do that all right until until they talk to you next week. Try to be happy That was a hit gum podcast.
New Mix: Tune-Yards, Tth, Buzzy Lee, More
"This message comes from. Npr sponsor nerdwallet. They bring together the smartest credit cards mortgage lenders and more so you can compare and shop all in one place for all your money. Questions turned to the nerds. Nerdwallet dot com. There is so much black excellence in the sciences that we want to celebrate so an honor of black history month. All this week shortwave is featuring conversations with black scientists and educators. He will doing incredible work and pushing for a world. Where science serves everyone listen. Now to the shortwave. Podcast from npr from npr music. You connected to all songs considered. I'm bob boylan and i have a show today filled with music mostly from artists that you've likely not heard before artists. I know will become favorites mine over the year and we'll begin with the musician known as mero. His name is spelled m. e. h. r. o. He's young talent based in l. a. Who put out his first music in two thousand twenty. I wouldn't be the only person to think of the remarkable voice of jeff buckley when i first heard his music put. I'd say it's kind of likely that merrill didn't even know the music of jeff buckley when he started anyway. I'm thrilled to play this new song called chance with you and happy that he'll introduce it chance with you was inspired by a moment of opportunity by a moment that could have been magical and wonderful but instead i came into fear and this night filled with potential and excitement and magic just passed me by because i didn't do anything about it so i had to let this out to forgive myself. I have forgiven myself. And by writing it by letting it out it allows me to reflect on it and make choices that are different so rather than feeling the emptiness of what if i can face opportunity in the present and say why not. I hope when you hear this song that it allows you to forgive yourself for any mistakes that you've made every single. One of us has made mistakes. And i hope it inspires you to live your life to the fullest. Why not Sir though police. I crossed small. Talk so only onslaught accused with a fake. A charge me info. Schofield before glitzy Show chill Love that that's the music of mero from a project. He has coming out at the end of march called sky on fire. I feel a little guilty for laughing at this story. Alex toth is about to tell and sing to us. I mean it's kind of awful. It's about him passing out at a funeral when he's supposed to be playing ave maria on the trumpet to honor his aunt. But i think the whimsy and this tune called turnaround cocaine song is what makes it memorable. Here's alex to tell you more. Hi this is both song you're about to hear is based on true events anytime somebody in my family dies. I play the trumpet at the funeral. Danny boy taps ave maria you name it. It's a real honor to be the family trumpet player of death or whatever but it's also kind of hard to play the trumpet when you really sad and even harder if you're wasted this tune turnaround cocaine song is about that and about my alcoholic bottom. I've since gotten sober have been on a bit of a healing journey with meditation retreats in therapy in the likes i spent a lotta time sitting in pain without my old medicine and it led to my unintentional. I record practice magic and now my second one you and me and everything which comes out. In april life happens good stuff bad stuff heartbreak global pandemic falling in love birth etc in my experience pain grief and trauma do better when we face them. Even if it's really uncomfortable it's kind of like a part of you dies and maybe a more beautiful version of you can come to life. Oh and the shoutout to my mom kathy and my aunts patty and i lean dancing in the music video of this song with me. Stumbled the ads son. I certainly could feel my hands and added some k with a queen. Coudn't wall From there are too good to camrys scheme. Where was supposed to play out of a marie but instead at half back with around i should have throughout that Will be. I should have turned around something inside that made me wanna be freezing out will Psalms about point compose to funchess flab the rain. And i have i'd be huh Turn shoot have. I shoot resource resource. That's toasts playing a song. I heard during his tiny desk concert which released back in the spring of twenty twenty. Alex is also part of rob a bucket. And you can see. Cameo traver and sean smith of rubble bucket dancing in that wonderful video along with his mom aunts. We'll put that on. The all songs considered site toss new record. You and me. And everything is out april thirtieth and it's available to preorder on bam camp now to buzzy lee another new artist with debut album that i'm loving the los angeles artists work with composer and producer. Nicolas jaar they worked in a studio in italy. Over the course of three seasons buzzy lease dramatic wide ranging voices. What first attracted me to music. But then the sounds. She chose truly further in. I've listened to this song. Strange town a number of times now wasn't quite sure what was about. But here's buzzy. Lee unravel some of the mystery. So strange town is about this northern california coastal town. I would frequent with my ex and it was this place where i could sort of play the role of the person. He wanted me to be and he would beg me to just run off to this place with him and it would be us against the world and we could live off the grid and i just knew deep down. I could not do that with him in. That realization was just devastating. So i'm still processing this break-up and i record with nicolas jaar and we're doing the vocal takes and i'm getting quite emotional during each take in. My voice is almost breaking. And i think it's effective. I'm like i'm doing a great job over here. And nikko says okay you can do. A hundred takes like this beautiful great. Why don't you just try the next week as the your ninety years old and you're just telling your future grandchildren about this great love you had and this really odd little town that you'd go to and just tell it like a story and so i did that. And that is the vocal take we used. So here's strange town. A cannot do these Go there so. Love is strange with sons as out to against linda leave owner Only nobody goals strange go. Conceivable strange to vase has buzzy lee is the artists and that song strange town is from our just released. Debut album called spoiled love and like the tough video the video for this song. It's wonderfully silly though you have to hang in with it for a minute or so. It's break time now. I'm bob boiling on. You're listening to all songs considered from. Npr music support for npr in the following message. 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I'm joined now from sunny florida by. Npr music's lyndsey mckenna. Linda we've been playing So much New exciting music. And then you send me. Just before i went on a little time off. You sent me a couple of amazing cuts of music. So let's keep going with this this role on great new artists who we can play first. Awesome well okay. Here's my question for you. i've got to. I've got a singer. Songwriter and an up and coming rock band both are amazing. But what kind of vibes do you want to start with. Let's because we're gonna build towards tune yards the end of the second. So let's play. Let's start slow and built towards the band. Well knee joanna samuels. She's born in new york based in la and twenty nineteen. She released an ep called. Have a good one and last year. She released this really really deeply affecting song. It was called high tide for one. She wrote it in the wake of brett kavanagh's appointment to the supreme court so she was watching dr christine buzzy ford's testimony and it's just an incredible track so deeply moving like i said i love the fact that her songwriting is really sharp. This track that. I'm going to play his called. Nature's way it's so compulsively listenable but i think it's so smart the way that she assesses space and communication and connection. It's just brilliant. Do it just knew. Komen sailed names this now. See she screen. China sea love to leave the same on on down around was beautiful. A what the owner pay join us. Samuels nature's way. How would a voice. What a voice and there are actually a couple of additional voices. That people may be familiar with on the record. Including courtney andrews and low meld. 'as hannah read. And actually the video for this song. Features tiny desk alums re andrews and erin ray so that's available for viewing yes exactly and this and high tide for wine are both available on. Excelsior is out may fourteenth on mama bird recording. It was recorded up seat in new york. At sam evian's cabin and it's his first full length production there. I'm just so excited for this record to be out in the world onto we're launching right exactly okay all right so nice. Momentum now are building. Let's get a little rock enthusiasm here. we go. I'd like you to meet moon type at the very end of lashed year. This band released a song called ferry and it was such an exciting debut. Single couldn't to hear more and here we have it so. This band consists of bandmates. Ben crews amerson hunting and margaret mccarthy. And they actually formed while they were in school at oberlin. And i love this. They toured out of emerson's prius for a time. These days the ban is based in chicago and these two singles ferry and you. Which is the song that i'm going to play are both focused on friendship so i think for a lot of young adults. It's a really familiar territory. Feary talked a lot about the loss of a friendship. But this song about you is about that. Initial pull of getting to know someone. So margaret mccarthy vocals and basis for moon tape said. There is this feeling of being to magnets pulling towards each other. But that doesn't say strong forever. And i wanted to remember what it was at the start so here it is about you you want to. You go doesn't okay. Officially miss nightclubs. That be great in a club. Yes i cannot. We cannot wait to see these guys. Like what ab- dreamy little slice of like brock. I love it. I love it. Moon type is the ben all one word. All one word moon type no space and both about u. n. Ferry that other single mentioned will both be on the band's debut out april second on born yesterday records fabulous by the way. You're not missing a thing not being in. Dc it's done. What's called sleet i. I'm so whether adverse i. I'm so sorry i i'm so sorry it's been great for like four or five days in a row and and oh my god i just wanna see the sun. I wanna feel a little warmth. So i shouldn't tell you that i got a little bit of a sunburn this weekend. Probably not okay. Okay for me okay. If you want bagels upon your return. Don't tell me about your suntan. Note that i've just been sitting inside absolutely no sign no other okay. Well you take care of yourself. You can pick out the window now and again. I wave out the window things. Bob take your lindsey now and now after so many to stay abuse hits time to hear from a tried and true favorites. And this is the music of tune yards. It's the project of garbage and collaborator. Nate brenner the fifth tune. Yards record is coming. March twenty sixth. It's called sketchy. The song play is called. Hold yourself and it's a song. Mural says is about feeling really portrayed by my parents generation and at the same time really seeing how we are betraying the future. Let's have merrill. Tell us a little more and we'll go out on the song hold yourself. I'm bob boiling pure music. Take care of your body. It's also considered high. It's merrill from tune yards. Thank you so much playing our new song. It's truly appreciated. It's called hold yourself. It is a song. I kept trying to not right but it kept appearing and wanting to be written and i couldn't get out of my head but it felt so sincere and vulnerable and usually i try to be a little bit more opaque in my lyric writing this time and pre pandemic times even felt like the depth of what i wanted to feel was too great for words even and i'm really hoping that music will give people space to feel the magnitude of their feelings. I wanna shout out the podcast. How to survive the end of the world by adrien marie brown in autumn brown. They were really a big part of modeling for me. What it is to to be in reality and to not Look away from reality so thanks to them and thanks so much to you for listening data close
Ep. 4: The Real Macoy Dubs
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Talking false accusers bible version issue 20201021 to 20201024
"Hello, okay, so I'm going to talk a bit now. And what I want to say is that the gospel means the word of God, you know, and there are people here on YouTube who who are don't want to promote jobs in Tire word of God. You want to focus on that the gospel is that Jesus Christ has died for your sins. And of course being buried and rose again on the third day. And that is correct. That that is the gospel. But the gospel means the word of God, you know home and basically so the word of God is that Jesus Christ has died for your sins on the cross being buried and on the third day rose again, when you think about it that says that the blood atonement there that says that it's by faith alone the word of God is But Jesus Christ has died for your sins on the cross. Being buried on on the third day rose again. But they give you another word of God, which is the modern versions where they tell you that you have to work for your salvation. The real truth is that faith is that salvation is? Just accepting the free gift of Salvation by what Jesus Christ has died for you as done for you. You know, he did the work on the cross. No, it's not new that have to do any work. And there are people who are faith alone, you know, but the Bible that you should have if you want to read faith alone is the King James Bible and you don't need to read any other book at all. You don't even need a commentary. You don't need Schofield or or any of that and you don't need a pastor. Hello. Okay, so I'm going to talk about false accusation and the doctrine of the false accusation for the two Timothy three Christian where we find it, but we find it in other places as well. I think if we sort for false falsely accuse in the King James Bible. but basically to what I want to say about this if I want to sum it up now quickly is that I believe that there are people who who are misinterpreting this Doctrine and they might have been fed this information purposely because the doctrine of false accusation is a lifesaver to people who are falsely accused and it is misinterpreted by some here on YouTube basic. They say like this anyone who claims you lost is a false accuser anyone who who says anything negative about you even Is it false accuser anything you use is nasty words against you is a false accuser, you know, because you know touch not my anointed or something, you know, you are anointed of God. So anyone who who says anything nasty about use of false accuser that's how this false false accusation doctor and goes now a real false accusation can actually be a criminal can actually be a crime. It depends on the nature of the false accusation. But in some cases people can go to jail for monthly accusing someone. I think I read an article in Greece about the woman who had falsely accused some men I think or having raped her. And I think she was she could get a prison sentence for it because obviously destroys the entire. How's it called? It destroys the entire legal system if people are just allowed to go around and falsely accuse people and these false accusations can be done in a cunning crafty manner so that you know, and you can it can be done. It can be planned out and premeditated and it can involve looking at the individuals same preferences or paused sins also and you know, you can you can set it up even it can be set up. So forth station can be planned in a malicious manner mature malicious manner to destroy an individual and I think I read somewhere in some. Yes, which I don't I can't find where I read this now dead, but it was something just with document. I thought it was some Court some Alberto Riviera or something cartoons or something, but I can't find it there. So probably was somewhere else and it was about the pastor and the yes, it's wanted to destroy the pastor. So how did they do that? But basically they did it this way. A woman was standing by the side of the road. She knew when the pastor was booed passed by and she was standing there naked waving and he stopped the car or carbon her with a blanket and then she starts screaming rape rape. He has raped me and I think some other some other person came out she called the police or something long and short time with rape, you know, because he had only had done was stopped to try to help her and covered her with a blanket, you know, but that's our fault. That's our premeditated false accusation can be and this was mentioned by the of the yes, it's used for success. And the aim of this this plot was to remove a pastor from church because once you have been charged with rape as a past doesn't matter really if it's true or not if you have been short, but not short really, but if you have been accused of rape As a pastor your account continue as a pastor any longer because just the accusation will be enough that you will lose your position as a past and that's what they want. I just wanted to get him ridicule get rid of him from the chart because they noticed that if he was not good for the yes it again. So that's an example of false accusation. So you see at the for suggesting accusation can be criminal. It can be a crime. So saying someone is lost is not a crime, you know, but that's what's perpetuated here on YouTube is the I did not hear that lordship salvation is can say things like this, you know, if you don't take up your cross everyday, or if you don't follow Jesus you're lost and you're going to go to hell and something that's not a false accusation. It's actually not an accusation to start with. It's a discussion of Doctrine and they might be wrong in their Doctrine and you know, they might be doing something that is not nice. It might be offensive. I might be maybe it might be offensive and it's definitely can be a fellowship issue that you should not have anything to do with them. Maybe not even say hello to them wage, but it's not a false accusation and here on YouTube. This is promoted as a false accusation to deny your salvation or something like that. It's a false accusation they say home and that's a totally misinterpretation of false accusation. Now false accusation is is if we go to the King James Bible quickly here and look at this. If you look at falsely. okay, I'm going to look a bit at full size ation in the Kingdom's but we have a they be ashamed that falsely accused your good conversation in Christ. Okay? Good good conversation in Christ. Yeah, but we continue. Maybe I can also share screen here. like that I think it works now. so But we have it in the two Timothy three is the force accusing chapter without natural effect and Truce Breakers false accusers incontinent Fierce despises of those that are not good. Okay. So you see they have another spirit all together. They against God they despise God, you know, and those that are good, you know, that's a sign of that you on the side of God, you know for men should be lovers of their own selves Covetous boasters proud blasphemers disobedient to parents unthankful Unholy without natural affection, true false accusation content Fiesta spice of those are good traitors heady high-minded lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof from such turn away. No load shippers can be like this. This can be the case of a lordship or having it from but it doesn't mean that the you know, this doctrine of the false accuser is very important and I believe that there's a reason why they've changed the doctor and I found this I'm noticed that there are good reasons for them to change is false accusation Doctrine. and the reason is the reason is that let's say I read a bit in the book of Martyrs and they did Terrible Things there. For example, they they heated up an iron share and then they set the person on it. So it fried them into the bone, you know, and then they noticed that the person didn't die. So they put them in the dungeon and then they take them back back to that chair which they heated up again and put them in the share found them in the chair that was glowing with, you know from that the heated up until the person died, you know, so they are into all forms of torture off and doing this in the current system, which we live in in European union or even USA is absolutely illegal and it will totally destroy them if you did this your It you would go to jail, but it will also be a public thing and would destroy maybe your entire organization that you're working for in a sense. You know, it would be something maybe not Thursday, but it would be a blemish on their organization as well. So you would be a they just can't do this anymore. They can't torture people anymore. So how then do you? They still want to do that again. So how if how do murderers actually? How do they do false accusation is the method? Because if you you know, the problem is you might not be able to turn them over to. You know to get punished, but if you falsely accuse them, then you can do that. So you falsely accuse people. And then you kind of set something in motion. And then you just continue on that trying to catch people at a word which is also says in the Bible that you know, he that catches tries to catch. He he that rebuke is in the gate at the word. He he he would be cut off, you know, but they don't people generally are into false accusation or they don't care about God, you know, they are not the friends of God cuz they thought they were that they would be be into the spirit of Truth. They would value truth, you know, and these people don't value truth they value they want they don't know got to start with cuz you wouldn't do like this if you knew God start with because God is into truth, you know. And yeah, so so so that's basically One Reason by false accusation is actually a method to be able to to do things today, which is not possible in a civilized society civilized Democratic Society where we have certain rules that people have rights they have rights to not be tortured for example, so that's what you use false accusation. That's the method and and the other thing about false accusation. that I was thinking about What is basically? Yeah, I don't remember it now. So let's go quickly and look at let's see if I can find. Oh, yeah. Yeah, here it is. You know the Jesus talks to I guess it's the officials or something and the soldiers and the soldiers like what's the manual keeps saying and what shall we do? And he said unto them do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely and be content with your wages. So that what Jesus said to you. I see this soft technology today. You have soft Authority, you know. Yeah this Authority that works around without guns like Social Services. doctors psychiatry Yeah, more unemployment office all these kind of soft Authority. They that's what I see. It says soldiers here, but they were kind of a cross. Yeah, they were not soft or they had weapons too. But they were Authority working as Authority and that says accuse anyone falsely, you know, but home so basically so what I'm trying to say if I sum it up is like this. Let's go back to to team as history here. And we see the result of the false accusation. What does the Holy Spirit Alice has to do with the false accuser off? Let's see here where it says. Here it says from such turn away. It says here you can see. From such turn away. That's what he says. It's it's a very from such turn away. We are not to do anything worse to false accuser. But that's what we are supposed to do from such turn away now wage. If you have a short today's churches are public buildings. They are public buildings and anyone that's really allowed to enter them and if you're not allowed to enter them, you know, you could be accused for discrimination to not letting them in but the the public buildings and today, you know, the pastor's of the church expect you to meet in these buildings. These public buildings is shortage. They are tax-exempt Office Buildings saying all tax exempt churches. And if you would implement this Doctrine in the church, you know, it was totally destroyed charge cuz if they're into false accusation because they really are murderers, you know, there are lots of lots of lots lost people in churches nowadays some what I found. What I believe is that lost people surrounding churches as well, you know in charge of churches And if you are a murderer, you know, I mean even David Morris, so same person can also want to murder someone it seems it is yes, but the point being here that the point being here that I think the false accusation is the way of a murderer, you know, you does did this right? He didn't tell me that since well, he called he didn't really force that goes Jesus. He just turn him over to to Authority but Falls it says all those live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution and we should count our self happy with we are falsely accused for his namesake but having a form of godliness denying the power from such turn away. Now, I would claim that someone who has really nasty and evil thoughts about another person. would surrender to false accusation because that's the only civilized method to destroy someone and the anti-christ is going to destroy people or or to destroy the patience with by peaceful means. So the false accusation is very Central I think is a central Doctrine. And what I'm saying is that it tells us that the Holy Scripture here tells us from such turn away. And that means you can't you can't turn away from people at church. The way shorts is today you expect it to fellowship with people and you can't go and work and turn away. It doesn't just doesn't work in a church to turn away people, you know, because you're sitting down they can come and sit down also so and it's just very narrow sometimes in churches buildings. They can stand a doors and so on. It's just not possible. Even if you start trying to turn away from someone in the church, the authority of the church is going to notice that something strange goes on. And and so if you if that person get away from happen to have status in the building, you know, it's going to become something they talked about and they're going to try to sort out so what I'm saying and you're going to have to leave the church eventually because you can't turn away from people in the church. especially not if they If they, you know want to have contact with you or try to contact with you cuz if they don't try to contact with you, you know, it might work for a while, but honestly, I don't think it works in the long run to turn away from someone in a church. Um, it becomes a you know, a Strife, uh, you know, because they want unity in the church and they want you to Fellowship in a certain way too often, you know, they were not don't want that kind of stuff just not going to work out. So you're going to have to forgive and go back into Fellowship? And I'm obviously we should forgive everyone that's true, but it doesn't say we should go back into Fellowship. It said we should turn away from such turn away. So I'm claiming that this false accusation Doctrine is a doctrine that destroys short life. If you have a leader if you have a leadership that falsely accuse if you have an unsaved leadership that is into false accusations off to get ahead. It's going to destroy that charge this Doctrine because people are going to it's going to be like the abomination of desolation people are going the church is going to become desolate month when the abomination of desolation cities in the Holy place, you know, but the anti-christ is running their their shorts becomes desolate. And he's going to run he might run by false accusation because you know, he will kill people just throw people by peace. He shall destroy many. So what I'm saying that this stuff I hear about people Turn changing this Doctrine into something else cuz of course accusation as I said. Is not just saying something unpleasant to you, you know, the false accusation is, you know trying to destroy you by. Claiming you committed a crime, you know and turning your time to turn you over to the cops. You see that's that's that's false accusation has to be something serious. And with that crime might be premeditated and planned out. As I said about this woman who was standing naked she was working for the estimates and I was told to do certain things as she did them, you know, too. So, this is all I want to say about this. There is a doctrine of false accusation accusation is Portal 2 Timothy 3 chapter in the English Bible and we ought to turn away from such people. It can be a lifesaver to someone who is In the wrong Church, you know or just being in church where the prosecutors are running the place it can be a lifesaver. But it can be a lifesaver. And so that I think just that this Doctrine should not be misinterpreted. It is really As the scripture says, you know in two Timothy three, okay, so that was all I wanted to say really so in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I command or unclean spirits took out to each and every person that listens to any part of this audio or watch any part of this video. Bye for now. Hello. I'm live again here. And you know, I've been treated nasty by some. Christians, you know, I've been treated really nasty by some Christians when I've been nice towards them. And I noticed when I look back on this they were not King James Bible believers. I showed them the King James Bible. One guy he was using the NIV and he told me he had had a King James Bible before and he had gotten rid of it. And then he was having the NIV now with another guy. He had to King James Bibles, but he wasn't reading from it. He also he only read from it when she was trying to to destroy, you know, but the otherwise he never used it. He didn't like it, I think. He just wanted to use it against me, you know. So some people that like they want to have a a foot in every pie kind of so, they won't include that and include that they won't include everything cuz that makes them bigger because they little Roman Caesars. They want to be Roman Caesars, you know, you want to sit down there little horse and right. With that Spear and and spare someone else. You know. What I noticed they were not King James Bible Believers cuz I look back on this. I look back on this three first years after I got saved. Now I had a really tough time before I got saved. You know, my life was a real mess, but all after I got saved I still had these people off my back, but they didn't really manage them. to fulfil their evil Deeds against me It's like this wrestler that I think Peter Ruckman talks about some somewhere. He talks about that. There was a wrestler that you could he was paying money. You could pay money to try to wrestle him and it wasn't a beach and basically the only thing you had to do was get him on his back. And nobody could get him on his back. They couldn't turn him over. And they were betting money anyone could get him on his back would win the money. That's how he got cash, you know, and that's how I feel because I had an office job trouble before I got saved, you know, and you read your King James Bible when you're saved, you know, this is how you have Fellowship refuge in Jesus Christ. You read your King James Bible. Anyway, you have these people. Who anyway he they couldn't wrestle him. They couldn't get him on his back. And that's how I feel since I got saved there still wrestling me, you know, they still trying to destroy me off. They just couldn't get they couldn't finish it off. They did manage to finish it off, you know to destroy me. But they tried everything they did everything to try to destroy me just like they did before the only thing that happened that they weren't able to. To finish it. And that makes it even nasty when you realize these people are evil spirited. He was Spirited people Resident Evil spirited people who are supposed to be to be brothers in Christ and so on. What is this and then struck me they didn't like the King James Bible. You know one guy he even knew. You know, I asked that guy which Bible is best. And he said it's the King James Bible, but he wasn't using it, you know. He wasn't using it and he you know, he didn't really have any respect for it. But the reason I think he said that because if you ask anyone out there, you know, there is only one Bible that is. Looked upon as the only Bible. There's nobody saying that the NIV is the only Bible or the English Standard Version is the only Bible nobody. because they are inclusive they think that they're always depends on your preferences or there are advantages of some and this a bunch of some But there's a group that's think that the King James Bible is the only Bible, you know born every other Bible kind of not really we don't have to burn them, but they're not worth reading. You know. so there is a King James only movement and I want to I want to I want to State here officially that I am a King James onliest. This is the Bible the King James Bible is the Bible. The English Standard Version is not a Bible. It's not the Bible. It's a book, but it's not a Bible. This is the Bible here. I have you can see here. King James Version Holy Bible. Cambridge Cambridge This is it. You know, I I read eighteen thirty three in the morning. The 18th or Three Oaks tradition. This is not this is the Blaney Bible seventeen. I think it's 1769 or something. Play any Bible but the the main difference between the blame the Bible and the Oxford 1833 reprint is that Oxford 8033 rims it has off. chapter Summaries the other difference is yeah. That's the difference basically. But but they're also it's also the authenticity, you know, when you read eighteen thirty three by you know that it's more authentic than the 1769. Because the 1769 Bible. Is it doesn't words doesn't have the chapter, you know, and and all this the the strange spellings are in the 83 Expedition. They can spell Malcolm X the letter is upside down or no. They the same word can be spelled different ways in the Bible. Because yeah, so so you have the original? It is from the first printing in 1611. So it's the original you can read the original on its Roman fonts, so you don't have to the Border To worry about that that order to not you can't read. It's difficult to read the fractal forms of in the original 611 but it is to read roman from so you have the advantage is of Both Worlds both things that so like that, you know. Yeah, that's why I want to say kind of you know, that's why I want to say the King James Bible. That's it then. Oh King James Bible Believers. Don't fellowship with them. They Grace it a bad way crazy. They they crazy in a bad way. That way we can be mad in Christ, but they mad in a bad way. evil spirited people People who try to lay snares people who try to condemn another's through while being fools, you know. You can't talk to them. You see that's the point. You can't have a dialogue with them because you can't have a dialogue with Satan either because Satan will lie to you Faith know. He was a murderer from the beginning so he would lie to you see if you say anything to Satan. He will just say yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, he would go on agree with you until he finds a way where you going to try to actually destroy you then you're going to do that. You know, it's going to say them will full people as long as he can't athlete destroy them. And then when he cannot destroy them, he will try to do that. You see so you can't have a dialogue with Satan. You can't save Satan, you know. You can't save Satan and it's the same with these people who who use the NIV and or use this non King James babe King James Bible Bible. You can't have dialogue with them, you know, you can have twice you have twice. erratic After twice admonished twice for is the rhetoric teachers, I think so you had monism. That's a scary thing. You can't have a discussion with them you see I mean since since they're not you can have a discussion with them, but you won't have an honest dialogue. So it's no point having a discussion with them. If they don't use this book The King James Bible, they're not King James Bible Believers. They're not worth talking to him home. That's the sad truth problem is some of these people who are not fingers by Believers because I'm saved to the utmost. Yeah. I did not know maybe they could be saved to the utmost what I've discovered also is that This is not really about salvation. I can't be certain of that some of these people who use the NIV corn to be saved. I can't be certain of it because I'm not God. And it's not really about that. Is not really about if they're saved or not. It's not really about if they going to happen or not. It's about if they have the right kind of Faith or not, you know and if it's it's a fellowship issue it's a question of if you should have anything to do with them, you know, actually if anyone should have anything to do with it because you know the congregation of Hypocrites, you know and sit sit down among evildoers and you know. It's just you know, wickedness just doesn't. Create peace, and it doesn't great goodness, and it doesn't going into the congregation of the wicked people. It's not going to help anyone. Not even the wicked. You know, so this is the point with with this. You know, they don't read this book. They there's no point having fellowship with the money if they Christians, you know, they I don't know really we don't know really. This is a point what I've discovered we should judge their salvation or judge whether they Christians or not because to his own Master, he stands and Paulette, you know, each person stands opposed to his own master. So we should judge their salvations just pointless. We we're not got any way so we can't know, you know if they say or not they usually an ivy sole but what we can do is Judge if they got the right kind of Faith or not. And a lot of people have the wrong kind of faith and they might be saved and have their own kind of faith. And or they might be lost and have the wrong kind of Faith. So it's not a Salvation issue. It's not whether you save the laws if you have the right kind of faith, and this is what I've discovered a slightly, you know that we can judge someone's faith. If they have the right kind of Faith or not, and that's the basis whether we should, you know have any thing to do with them really cuz the problem is when you deal with Christians who have the wrong faith. That that's a danger. It's a Danger Above That dealing with atheists atheists that have they don't have they aren't righteous moment or whatever and they they open about it. They're on a sinner's you know and off and on as soon as I shouldn't say, they they just you know, they just unrighteous Mammon, then it's they've know about politics they know about media them off and they have the you know, and it's perfectly okay to have something do with them. The Bible doesn't say we can't, you know Lee read about the unjust steward. Absolutely. There's absolutely nothing wrong with dealing with the a cyst. The problem are the Christians that have the wrong kind of faith. That are into the modern versions, you know, okay. I think I'm going to end now so in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I command all your ankles bills to go out to each and every person who who listens to any part of this audio what is in a part of this video. Bye for now?