20 Episode results for "Schloss"

Finding Self-Empowerment When You Feel Powerless

Now For Tomorrow with Deepak Chopra

06:22 min | 6 months ago

Finding Self-Empowerment When You Feel Powerless

"Hello I'm punctual and this is now for tomorrow. Collection of actions you can do now. During the SIMUL disruption and crisis to make tomorrow better. Today I want you to do a simple exercise to bring out to the personal power that lies concealed inside you. We think of power as a matter of struggle competition and overcoming obstacles. But? There's a deeper power in just the opposite. Not Struggling. So Hug. And attuning yourself to the floor. But the flow what? You can let events passively unfold all around you. But that's not what flow meets. Flow much closer to freedom. In, the floor you are present to the here, and now you feel eager to see what happens next. You can taste the new possibilities that want to wake up in your life. What I've outlined is known as a beak experience and we've all had at least a glimpse of what? So here's your assignment for today. I want you to take out a pen and piece of paper. And close, your eyes for a moment. Jake yourself back to something. Wonderful. That has left a lasting impression. It can be a moment of victory and triumph. The breathtaking sunset over the ocean. The Vista from a mountain peak. Experience of deep love. Once, you had the imaging in mind focus on the bliss and the joy that you fact. Now I want you to pause for a moment. What your recapturing is a beak experience and the expansion it brings. What has expanded is your consciousness. You feed open safe. Optimistic. Fully. Present. And relishing the enjoyment of simply being yourself. This expanded state is true power. Life is going to you without struggle effort or resistance. Now I'd like you to write a one sentence description of that moment on the piece of paper. You could write. My last birthday. Or the walk on the beach during. Or a special dinner with people you care about Write it down. Then for the paper and put it in your bucket. As today goes on. And if you're feeling powerless stop what you're doing and pull out the paper. Goes your is. Imagine that moment again and recaptured that experience. That feeling. That power. I realized that turning inward to your direct experience isn't how we were taught by society to define power. Is said the whole set of external standards was set up? You are powerful if you make other people do what you want instead of the other way around. Your baffled if you had the money to buy anything your heart desires. Your powerful if you come out on top in the struggle to get ahead. Once you accepted that scheme you quickly find that life rewards a small handful of winners only. Everyone else is powerless. Now, you have the opportunity to reframe your situation by no longer thinking in those terms. which were voice it on you second secondhand. The secret is to exchange external power was self embarrassment. Suggested the first step. which is to revisit your peak experiences. which you can do anytime. This isn't nostalgia. You. Are Remembering the state of expanded awareness and in that remembering your awareness expense again. Right this moment. I. Realized that this sounds like nothing to society labels as powerful. But Society doesn't have of course. You do. And once you attune yourself to it. Over time. Flow becomes your default approach to life. In the world's wisdom traditions, it is thought that consciousness is the source of all things we desire out of life. A new. IDEA. A New Opportunity If fresh feeling of love or joy. If you can rest securely in your core south. Letting those things come to you as naturally as breathing. You have discovered the kind of self embalmment most people can only dream about. Your homework from today's episode is your key to recapturing that feeling. Carry it with you and feel it empowering. I'm but bre. Be will my prints. Now, for tomorrow is produced by Jesse Baker an Eric Newsham of. Noise for religion of sports. Are Production staff includes Adam schloss men nor was was and George Brown.

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Alaska Serial Killer Joshua Wade

Murder and Mystery in the Last Frontier

26:43 min | 1 year ago

Alaska Serial Killer Joshua Wade

"From the Wilderness of Kodiak Island Alaska this this is murder and mystery in the last frontier. With your host Robin Bear field in a land full of peril and vicious animals. Humans are the most dangerous dangerous predators of all in my last episode I profiled Israel Keyes a serial killer who moved to Anchorage in two thousand seven. Many serial killer experts. Consider keys to to be one of the most intelligent organized serial killers of all times. He randomly chose victims live thousands of miles from his home and he stashed murder kids around the country planning to access them at some future date. It is easy to understand why Israel keyes wasn't captured. Sooner than he was he methodically planned his crimes and always had an exit strategy. He only began making mistakes when his murderous impulses grew too strong wrong for him to control and these mistakes led to his apprehension around the same time Israel keyes was active. Another serial. Serial killer stalked the residents of Anchorage but the story of Joshua weighed in his crimes is far different than that of Israel keyes. Investigators consider Wade intelligent but he did not stock as victims or plan is crimes. His crimes were sloppy happened on the spur of the moment and usually were the result of him losing his temper. The legal system should have stopped Joshua Wade long before it did. Welcome to murder and mystery in the last frontier. I'm your host Robin Bear Field. And I'm broadcasting from the heart of the Kodiak National Wildlife Refuge huge on Kodiak Island in Alaska according to a two thousand Fifteen University of Alaska Justice Justice Center victimization survey fifty out of every one hundred women residing in Alaska have experienced intimate partner violence sexual violence or both a two thousand sixteen report by the Violence Policy Center ranked Alaska first nationwide As the state with the highest homicide rate per capita a female victims killed by male offenders Alaskan native women are the most At Risk Group to become victims violent crimes. Alaska natives comprise only twenty percent of the state's population but Alaskan native women represent fifty four percent of Alaska's sexual assault victims compared to all other women in the US. Alaska Native Women Are Ten times more likely to experience domestic violence in September. Two Thousand Sheila to me with the Anchorage Daily News wrote a front page story about six unsolved homicides in Anchorage. The article displayed the photos of the six victims. All were women. Five were native Alaskan and one was African American. Nothing connected the victims and police did not know if they were looking for one. Two two or six murderers thirty-three-year-old Della Brown was the last of the six women to be found a passer-by discovered Dulles body audio on Saturday September. Second two thousand at two fifteen a m she'd been dumped in an abandoned shed near the CBS affiliate Lait K TV a channel. Eleven News Studio in Anchorage Della Lay on her back with her blue jeans pulled down to her ankles. Her left arm rested donner abdomen. Her right arm was raised above her head and her Bra and blue tank top were pushed above her breasts. Her head had been beaten so badly. Sadly that one of the responding officers said the back of her skull belt like a bag of melting ice police found no weapon in the shed but investigators. I believe a large rock had crushed her skull. The felty shed were Delta's body was found produced. No usable trace evidence. The medical examiner found a pelvic hair as well as seamen in Dulles Vagina Della was highly intoxicated at the time of her death and it took detectives little time to learn Della had struggled with alcoholism for many years. Maintaining her sobriety and attending a meetings alternated with periods periods. When she fell off the wagon and drank to the point of passing out she had also tried to commit suicide a few times and her last attempt occurred just a week back before her death della did not have an easy life? Her mother moved to California when I was a child leaving della in the care of her grandmother and step grandfather and her step grandfather sexually abused her. At the time of Dell's death. She was involved in an abusive relationship and her boyfriend was one of the first people. Police suspected had killed her before long though detectives became aware of another other. More obvious person of interest. This young man told at least seven people. He was the person who smashed in Dulles head He. He had even provided updates to his acquaintances as the molest station and murder occurred taking several people to the shed to see Dallas Body. Not Not one of his friends tried to stop him. Attempted to help della or even bothered to call nine one one twenty year old Joshua Wade and his three passengers to young men and one young woman. Were driving through the streets of anchorage when they came across a woman passed out in the middle of the road. Josh wanted to run over her. But nineteen year old DWAYNE clovinger convinced Josh to stop and let him drag the woman out of the road. Duane left Della Brown near an abandoned shed. The group drove around a while longer and then the three males went to a friend's automotive repair shop a block from the shed where they'd left Della they plan to spend the night at the garage working on cars and drinking whiskey and beer a while after they arrived at the garage Josh announced he was going back to the shed to see if the passed out. Woman had any money on her. Josh returned to the garage several several times during the night once asking for a condom. Witnesses said another time wade returned to the garage covered in blood and and he admitted he'd killed the woman. Several of the young men in the garage claim Josh took them to the shed to show them the body of Della Brown. Most of these young men have police records and were at least partially intoxicated. The Night of Dallas murder. None of them wanted to get involved with the police. Yes and Wade threatened to kill them if they told the police what he had done. No one said anything until a few days after Dulles body was found and police offered an award for information leading to the capture of Dell's killer with the promise of award money. The young men from the garage began again to talk on two separate occasions. Detectives Wire Josh. Wade's acquaintances incent them to talk to Wade Wade not only made incriminating incriminating statements about killing della. But when shown the new story written by Sheila Toomey in the Anchorage Daily News about the six murdered. Anchorage Women Wade suggested to his friends. He had killed three of the women. Police felt they had gathered more than enough evidence against Wade and they arrested did him and charged him with Della Brown's rape and murder as well as six other counts including tampering with evidence. Marianne Dan Henry was named lead prosecutor. In the case. Miss Henry a Harvard graduate was the first woman to prosecute homicides in the state of Alaska. Marcy Danell Assistant Marianne. Marcy was a young inexperienced lawyer. Eager to learn from one of the best prosecutors in the state. Marianne Henry new. The prosecution had almost no forensic evidence they had no weapon and no trace evidence evidence. The Semen Empu care. Found in Della did not belong to Josh. Wade and Wade also did not leave. The bloody fingerprint found in in the shed. The prosecution did have a strong circumstantial case. Though seven. Witnesses came forward to State Wade confessed. He killed Della Woah. The witnesses saw blood on. Wade's clothes. But unfortunately investigators were unable to find the bloody clothes. The prosecution also had the tape of weight. Admitting to two of his friends he killed Della and suggesting he might have killed two other women. Henry New the prosecution witnesses. Witnesses were not solid citizens. They were petty criminals who had been impaired by drugs and alcohol the night of the murder and they had trouble remembering dates times and the sequence of events still they all told virtually the same story and their stories should convince the jury beyond onto reasonable doubt. Josh Wade was very lucky. Though his defense lawyers Jim mccombs and Cindy strout or considered two of the the best in the state and they had a dual pronged approach for securing a non guilty verdict for the client. I since Joshua Wade was talker and a braggart his lawyers put forth the theory that Wade found Dulles dead body in the abandoned shed and then to gain street cred cred with his new criminal acquaintances. He told them he murdered della and even took them to the shed to show them her body as proof. Furthermore more when shown the photo of the murdered women in the paper Josh could not resist claiming he not only murdered della but also murdered two of the other women secondly the defense pointed to a sloppy work by the increase. Police Department in the Anchorage District Attorney's office claiming lay stopped opt investigating before they found the true murderer. Police never discovered who the semen pubic hair and bloody fingerprint belong to and they had several other viable suspects who could have murdered della including her violent boyfriend a month into the trial lead prosecutor. Mary Ann Dan. Henry suddenly stepped down from the case claiming health problems. He dropped the prosecution of Joshua Wade into the lap of the very very inexperienced marcy. McDonnell Carrie Brady another young inexperienced attorney stepped in to assist mcdaniel. Oh neither attorney had ever prosecuted a homicide before and both admitted afterwards. They were in way over their heads. The prosecution in case suffered serious problems before Henry quit but once she was gone. The inexperience of the two prosecutors only highlighted the claims by the defense insisting the prosecution brought the case to trial before they thoroughly investigated it after two and one half months of testimony. The jury eerie deliberated one week before they returned with a verdict they found Josh Will Wade not guilty on all counts except for tampering with evidence and for this offense he received a six and one half year prison sentence minus time he'd already served in December. Two Thousand Four Joshua Wade was released from jail and Anchorage law enforcement officials feared they had just unleashed just a ticking time bomb. Let me take a break for a minute and tell you how I relax riding. True Crime Stories sometimes weighs me down and I need to switch my focus. Focus to something fun. Recently I downloaded the free gay map best fiends and I love it. The game is designed for adults. 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Cathy Hodges a nurse in Fairbanks called the Anchorage Police Department to report her friend. Mindy Schloss missing thing. Mendi was a fifty two year old psychiatric advanced nurse Practitioner who worked one week in Fairbanks and the next week in Anchorage where she had a home when Mindy did not return to fairbanks in time for her shift there. Her friend and colleague became concerned. Police entered Mendis home in Anchorage but nothing seemed amiss to them when they spoke with some amenities friends though they realized something was wrong. A Mindy Schloss. SCHLOSS had mysteriously disappeared. One Mendis friend said Mindy liked a tidy house and always left her house neat before leaving for for her shift and Fairbanks. She never would have left dirty dishes and papers on her counter. Also Mindy always placed a check on the kitchen counter for the lady who cleaned her house. Even more suspicious though Mendis car was not parked in the garage and friends insisted she always always left her car in the garage and took a cab to the airport when flying up to fairbanks for Work Anchorage Police Detective Pam Paranoid contacted contacted. Mendis Bank to see if there had been any unusual activity with Mendis account a bank official told paranoid someone made an ATM withdrawal L. A.. Five hundred dollars for Mendis account on Friday August fifth at five zero one. A M Mendis friends did not think Mindy Indy would make an ATM withdrawals so early in the morning and they explained she really used her ATM Card Detective Paranoid contacted the FBI B. I.. And requested assistance and obtaining information about withdrawals made from Mendis Account the FBI soon retrieved a video of the person in who made the withdrawal from the account in the early morning hours of August fifth. All they could discern from the video was the person who withdrew. The money was a man wearing a blue and white BANDANNA tied around his face and a dark baseball cap pulled low over his forehead in grainy. ATM footage the man briefly pulled down the Bandanna an for three or four frames the camera Cada shot of his chin. The FBI learned that four sixteen the following morning same figure entered another ATM Kiosk and withdrew and additional final. Five hundred dollars from Mendis Account. He took the cash but left the kiosk before retrieving the card from the machine. When he returned return to the kiosk a few minutes later the machine had swallowed the card a safety measure implemented by the bank to ensure forgotten cards would not be stolen colon? Police ask Minnie's friends if they recognize the Caucasian man in the ATM video but they said they had no idea who he was. Detected paranoid knocked on doors and talked him indies neighbors. No one had seen many for several days but nearly every neighbor birther mentioned the rowdy young people who live next door to her the neighbors complained about the young men who drank smoke and through loud parties sometimes lasting all night paranoid attempted to contact these noisy neighbors but you could not find anyone at home. The first several times she went to their house Mendis missing two thousand Acura Integra was found in the parking lot of a building near the airport. Mendis purse and Wallet. Let lay on the back seat of the car and in the trunk. Detectives found a suitcase containing rebels close and Mendis laptop computer not long after the discovery of the car paranoid learned the two teenagers staying in the House next door to Mindy had rented a room to an ex-convict by the name of Joshua Wade paranoid and her colleagues begin to have a bad feeling about what had happened to Mindy Schloss F. B. I.. Agents used bloodhounds to help with the investigation. They took two hounds one at a time time to the first ATM where the suspect US Mendis card. They had each dog sniffed the sent from the driver's seat a Mendis car and then let the dog sniff the area around the ATM to see if the dogs could follow a scent trail. Each dog separately led detectives from the ATM to a door of the house. Where Joshua Wade was living the agents then took the dogs to the second? ATM Were Mendis Card was used used the first. ATM was close to Mendis House. But the second. ATM was located five miles from her home even at the furthest ATM am though the Dogs picked up the scent trail and led investigators. Back to. Wade's house. Paranoid had been skeptical about using the scent dogs but she watched in amazement as the dogs led detectives cross country on the route. Wade woodhead followed on his bicycle. Paranoid paranoid obtained a search warrant and police searched the house where Josh lived. They found a jacket resembling jacket in the ATM video and in the the pocket of the jacket they found an ATM receipt. For five hundred dollars. Police also found a gold watch hidden in a closet and when they showed showed it to Mendis friends they confirmed. It was her watch when the Anchorage. TV news stations showed the photo of the lower half of the face from the video at the ATM. To of Joshua. Wade's past girlfriends. Identified the man as Wade. One of Wade's friends handed over. Wade's phone to the police. And on the phone. They found a photo showing Wade holding a forty five caliber Glock pistol. Police assume this was the weapon used to murder Mindy Schloss detective paranoid also found Mendis. ATM PIN NUMBER STORED ON. Wade's phone. Own Alaska does not have the death penalty but because bank fraud is a federal crime. The federal government could pursue the death penalty against Wade if authorities could prove the bank fraud was related to the murder of Mindy Schloss. Nearly a month. After she disappeared and Mendy Schloss. His body was found in an undeveloped neighborhood. In wasilla she had been shot. Once in the back of the head and left in a heavily WLI wooded area after a standoff with police Wade finally surrendered he admitted to killing Mindy and said he walked her into the woods. I told her to kneel down and then shot. Her Wade made a deal to avoid the death penalty. He not only admitted to Mendis murder her but also confessed. He had killed Della Brown when sentencing. Wade the judge told him he was a coward who attacked defenceless defenceless women. Wade lost his temper and not wanting anyone to think he preyed on women he shouted. What about the men? The judge sentence way to life in prison with no possibility of parole but in the summer of two thousand fourteen Wade claimed he was being mistreated in prison in Alaska and struck a deal for a transfer to a federal prison in Indiana as his part of the deal. He admitted admitted to the murders of three men in Anchorage and he claimed he committed his first murder when he was only fourteen years old. He has not so far admitted admitted to murdering any other women and some wonder what to believe. Police think he killed at least two of the three men he claimed he murdered. But many who know Wade believe he killed more women. Three of the murders of the six anchorage women featured in the two thousand Anchorage Daily News is article remain unsolved. We might never know if Josh Will Wade had anything to do with their deaths or if he killed other women acquaintances claim. Joshua Wade often voiced his hatred for Alaska natives but authorities. Do not know if these feelings had anything to do with his choice of murder victims. Mindy Schloss was not an Alaskan native but Della Brown was Joshua Wade as an angry man incapable of controlling his temper even imprison. He has been transferred several times and is now housed at a maximum mm security federal penetentiary in way marked Pennsylvania where he spends most of his time in solitary confinement. Prison officials classify Wade as one of the most assaultive predatory riotous or seriously disruptive prisoners. How do we compare? Compare Josh Will Wade to Israel Keyes. They're both serial killers and there's no question they were both monsters. Who preyed preyed on innocent people? While Israel keyes presented a cold calculating demeanor though Josh Wade seemed to simply simply have a short fuse and no impulse control wade was a ticking time bomb ready to blow at any moment both both were terrifying predators but I ask myself which type frightens me the most. What variety of monster do you refund the scariest? Thank you for listening and police. Check the show notes to bind references for this podcast. I am an author and I write Alaska Wilderness mysteries. I've written four novels set in the Wilderness of Kodiak Island I also write a monthly newsletter about murder and mystery St Alaska. Check the show notes for more information on my novels and my newsletter. I'll be back soon with the next episode of murder murder and mystery in the last frontier. uh-huh mm-hmm uh-huh.

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AP Headline News Mar 08 2019 10:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

04:51 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Mar 08 2019 10:00 (EST)

"Eh high fashion hotline to have an expiration date. No, why genes are stretched out where can I get you chance at last gets old navy old navy? Yup, right now, all jeans are up to fifty percents off starting at just fifteen dollars for adults ten dollars for kids of defeat percent of all jeans, even the new rockstar with never quit shape. Pretension your favorite fit now holds its shape, and hugs and all the right places. Where after where he goes today. Buy online pick up in store for free. I'm so they're all in ripped a fifty percent off all jeans at old navy. It'll navy dot com. Three four two three fourteen styles only excludes in store clearance. For the latest in entertainment stories. Well, you'll have to wait cream egg hunting season is. Down the rare white cream egg and being with a chance to win a sweep prize of up to ten thousand euro, join us fellow cremate hunters and find out more by visiting Cadbury island on Facebook and Twitter. AB radio news. I'm Rita Foley. Lay is a recession ahead hiring fell in February a lot. The new Labor Department report says employers added only twenty thousand jobs in February the fewest in nearly a year and a half Bank rates. Mark Hamrick with a warning appear that economy is broadly are slowing and so the risk is that ultimately this tips over into recession. We don't see that happening immediately. But you know, this is a long expansion we've had in the United States. So we know that party doesn't go on forever. The good news is raised hourly paid three point four percent from a year ago, the largest gain in a decade. The unemployment rate is a low three point eight percent. But after this morning's report, the Dow fell at the open President Trump's on the way to Alabama this morning to see the devastation from last. Sunday's tornado twenty three. People died in Lee county among the victims little AJ Hernandez. Six years old. Bobby kid lost his grandson, AJ Hernandez. The boy was ripped from his father's arm. The house just exploded. He said he remembers flying through there and the boys just being sucked away from kids son and his older grandson survived. His thoughts are with AJ is like coming out here. Every little thing you look at remind you of something of him. I made Donahue will the president pardoned. Paul Manafort, some are asking after a judge sentenced Manafort to almost four years in prison for tax and Bank fraud. But White House counselor Kellyanne Conway says I have not discussed that with the president. That has not been raised at all in my company Manafort faces and other sentencing hearing next week for a separate case related to illegal lobbying. A Florida man who grabbed McDonald's worker by the collar because he couldn't find a straw is going to jail for sixty days. This is AP radio. News a holocaust survivor says high school students in a swastika photo have apologized, holocaust survivor, and Frank stepsister. Eva Schloss met in private Thursday with high school student. It's in Newport Beach, California during a weekend party. They arrange plastic drinking cups into a swastika some giving Nazi salutes of photo showed up online Schloss says the students apologized, but they also tried to downplay what they did invest a joke. So at the Esso tough costs. I counted mistake. She says there's a need for more education about the holocaust, especially the warning. Never forget Schloss. And her mother were the only members of their family to survive the camps. Her mother later, married, Frank's father Otto, I'm Tim Maguire, a university of Kansas engineering, professor says administrators removed him from teaching a course for the rest of the semester after he told a student to quote, learn English. I'm Rita Foley. AP radio news. Hi fashion, not lime to genes have an expiration date. No, why why genes are stretched out where can I get Q chance that last? 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Episode 310: Meet me at the Mall feat. Throwing Fits

Yeah, But Still

1:42:18 hr | 3 d ago

Episode 310: Meet me at the Mall feat. Throwing Fits

"Art everybody welcome to. Yeah but still Brandon how you doing. I'm i'm well in a little bit. We have the we have lawrence. And james. They go larry and jim to what is it brain. So from throwing this lawrence schloss men and james harris from throwing fits will be joining us podcast also but you know throwing fits previously failing upwards right right. Yes you've been on the podcast. I've not been on their podcast. I don't know little questionable if you ask me them But yeah they'll be joining us soon but honestly this is a big episode. I have we have an announcement. I guess i guess isn't announcement. We switch platform. I guess all so yeah. It's an announcement. That's it's good for us. No it's good news and good news. The good news is that it's good for us. I kind of feel like Cruising down madison avenue right now film. Like don don draper. Yeah exactly me too. And i'm feeling like don draper and it's time to get this ape. It's time to get this apor dude. Were officially. We're starting to ads on the main feed guys. I'm sorry. sorry if you're upset nip that in the but right now until you. You are not allowed to be upset. Did you say nip that in the but. Yeah i'm a nip it away in the but in the blase you're gonna nip it in the bud you said bud. Okay i heard i heard two ts. I mean i'll nip it in the butt to honestly. I don't really care. I'm just not ready to stop misspoke. But i'm like. Yeah this is going to nip it in the bud. I'll nip some butts to if i have to this guy fuck fucking this guy's going nip to but whatever but i mean i want to hear that being said i just yeah we do. We want to you know just i guess. Just let you guys know all right. Well warn warned about the longtime said. We've we've is that a war. Yeah listen look if you don't if you don't want to hear ads you know where to go. You know where nowhere to go. Yeah you know where to patriot. Dot com slash. Yeah but still add add free. You're referencing that. 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We're living in the same world you are and where where we we don't want to. We don't want we don't wanna do this you know. I wish i wish i could be. I wish i could be punk but punk podcast or yeah. I wish also punk podcast. You know which is something i was. I have been telling people constantly. Yeah i'm real establishment. Uploading this to the apple. itunes feed. But yeah i don't know we're going to ads. I'm quite frankly i'm excited. I'm hoping we get the casper money. Dude i'm ready to plug some casper. Mattresses i'm trying to sell some mattresses on here. Yeah which. Quite honestly i think. That's a big sell trying to sell it entire mattress on a podcast but Yeah not exactly an impulse buy no. That is something that always struck by mattresses like absolutely not. That's a once in a tenure thing and to drop that appeal of this american life episode. Like i'm just. Is there a guy out there that pauses a this american life episode. 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Everybody welcomed the but still Joining us this week. The boys from throwing events more cloud that we referred to as the goddamn motherfucking voice. The goddamn mother fucking boys are full name our moment. Yeah that's exactly. What the fuckers fuckers with the puck buddies what the fucking ears ship. My pants james actually almost pants earlier today actually. Yeah lawrence This is there's a lot of i guess. Whatever there's a lot of panting talk on throwing fits recently Plans for a brunch. We ordered the same thing which is crazy and then i had to jump on a bike to get home quick. Make none of that. Like regular peddling should. I had to get here. You bio friendly one. You biked to record this podcast. No i bike to avoid shitting my pants in the street. Oh at least three hours ago. Okay but you had a near linear on your pants on mouse this morning. Yeah this is fresh off. You almost going do your break. News now shooting his pants. You have enormous amount of shoes behind you. Just it's it's distracting shoes. I collect shoes. Brandon collects books. But i'm not really collect these days. I wear all this just yeah. It's an embarrassing. It's like. It's like a nike sneaker had showroom. It's my office. So i went through the initial phase of like optics unlike i really want to be perceived as a guy who really books that i met him once once. I started reading them. You know then it was just hold is this oh that now i'm too wise for my own. Good of course did sneaker heads sneakers brennan's read your books that the kind of wisdom. I'm off the weekend weekend. I want to get into the sneaker. Talk in a second. But i i do want to. Was there more to the you almost hitting your pants story of what happened with a happy ending. I made it home in time. Okay that's he just didn't show let's anticlimactic that have. Yeah that's pretty anticlimactic. Would've been a much better story if you did shit your pants and so wearing a an enemy though. You didn't do your prep watch one step further and really committed. You would have had an amazing podcast story. Sure moment in time where we like do things like shit. Our pants for the content. But we've not gotten to that brings shorter. Wait till forty at least like good grand when you're in your thirties. You're still kind of relevant. You can milk that. But if that's what it takes to get to the level of yet but still i mean whatever it takes dude. I'm game. i mean thirty k. I will shit my pants. A tangible goal. It's here it's here. Yeah i mean that's that's a little too attainable do yeah. I don't know if. I want to set myself up for that. So jack on your goal. I always wanted to ask you have to join the military. At how much money is it. A hundred thousand nine hundred thousand. Which i think is like if i mean i just want to sit hi. I'm also pretty committed to that. Look here's the thing. We're we're approaching a loophole. Where i'm not going to be legally allowed to join various branches of the military as i head into my thirties. Like i don't know the cutoff. But i'm pretty sure there's a few branches that just will not allow me in so i think if we ever did hit that high number i would obey the rule. I would try to enlist you do everything in your power to join a branch or service of the military but most of those branches. I could try to enlist but there are gonna turn me down is a thing. Oh it says has to enlist so. That's us army in martial law. Yeah we need. This is actually what's happening right now is a closed-door military tribunal. You should just become a merchant marine or like the celebrity talent booker for like the uso shows or some shit like something easy. I mean anything back in and listen do that. That's high level shit for officers only did boil down to that. I could try to offer school and then just be like doing one of the boring military jobs. But i'm still recording the podcast but from the base you know you'll get hazed so bad at west point like if you got into west point as thirty jack you're thirty. I'm thirty two okay. So if you go to. West point is a thirty two year old. they are going to destroy you. A bunch of fucking strapping young strapping eighteen year. Old men. they're gonna send into west point dudes stolen. Yes sure maybe. Like maybe i could come out on top out with them. Fingers crossed. No you're not. You're i mean you're definitely a bottom in this situation. You are not on top of the on file dude. You are the foundation. Outdo them in like i mean you guys talking purely about me being sexually assaulted at west. That's just the start for sure. The abuse that comes in here. Jack emerging victorious like know. Psychologically psi ops on enders game type scenario them by the way i do want to. I i do like the feeling right now. i mean we're coming out hot strip hot fas- out of the gate and fucking it's been. It's been a minute since i Since i chatted with you boys and i can. it's like it's nice you know it's a nice reminder like oh yeah these. These boys clearly loved stimulants. No arguments their dog. A hard stimulant energy. I don't know if you're currently on on stimulants but it's the energy where it's like. Maybe there's just like the your brain has a drip serotonin release not shooting pants chefs case like tap will be greatest of all the kinda shit shit. You could charge your phone in. Yeah we always pod. When james and i like hanging out today there definitely is a level cruising up to of normalcy. But when you put the mike's in front of us i mean we've we've been doing this. I mean you guys have had this for a long time now. I think we've been doing this shit for just over four years so it's almost like a second nature like time to ham it up for the mother. Oh i mean yeah you've been you've been i remember. There was fashion bros. Provisionally that was and you trophies later failing upwards eventually through these are men who have been there now there now independent but the barstool network right. Yeah we're the barstool network members of barstool sports complex complex in a bar. Stool you guys. Wanna talk about getting hazed. Your own tools are in a new media. Hellscape that we we have not been a partner from the pivot to video to The rise of of hype beasts culture to The independent readers set barstool sports. And now we're just doing. Gross barstool is really the such an easy place to work. It went it famously exploded in our faces but they let us do whatever we wanted. They didn't well. Maybe that was a bad thing because they clearly didn't give a shit but we were never part of like the barstool universe. We had full time jobs elsewhere and we'd come in after hours and just likes. Cut a pod for like three hours. You get the smoke shows or where. Where do they keep shows kidding. The we met the big cats and the pro football commentators and those types of guys like l. Press on our podcast. Look on dave about buying jeans at the airport like fun of his made fun of his drip which was pretty great and then very unceremoniously just fucking kicked us off his network will cause you were speaking truth to power. Yeah exactly exactly. We're taking down from the inside whistle blowers situation for sure. Yeah that's what happened. That's that's what brand does the smoke shows of the week. He's he's gonna go low below the radar trying to take it down from the guy. I want to talk about the barstool health. Healthcare plan how we can how we can reform it. But i subsidising hundred percent of your protein powder shows are. That's like that's such an offer need to unionize. I absolutely do that brand. And you could be the guy i can do it. I mean the man. Thank you by the way. That's i don't know how the you know. The barstool shadow government is determining the barstool. Smoke shows very tribunal actually. I'm ready to find answers. I mean generally speaking. The i will say. I don't think i'm not. I'm not necessarily barstool. Smoke show guy i think. Generally they're kind of operating in like a different sphere. Then i would prefer where. It's just i think just be from from a taste. Perspective like case smoke from a taste. Perspective gone far salchow early. A brand wardell smoke show. Do they do smoke show still. I don't think so. I don't think they're just like going through. They just like fine like they've rebranded. Arango like blonde sorority girl. And then they like throw up the like throw up her instagram or like is it good for her platform for real. They've got going on you. Know can be community organizers. Or titans of industry generally yeah. Most of them are community organizers. But they're the community is their sorority. Take away their ising. Big being a big in a sorority is kind of like being a community organizer. Basically the same thing i agree. Yeah but mostly famously blew up. I mean sorry. I don't know what happened so as i say famous. They don't actually mean famously. Intimate infamously amongst leaning. What happened is a story. We'll we'll give you the quick spiel but basically we were there for two years. We're coming up on our second year of them paying us absolutely nothing but but it's still barely even of bag a significant bag where we thought it was cool but then we're yellow. Do we want to do this. Full-time like the but still guys so After we saw how you guys fucking rocketed on your patriots no bullshit. So let's go into pennant however let's see wants to give us the existing subscriber feed all the ip and he's social media prowse right as we've learned from the call her daddy drama o. Ryan is similar and the reality is. Why would want set that precedent right because then anybody call her daddy part of my take. All these hugely successful shows could point to that and be like point. Asked me like well. You did it for those guys. Like you said a precedent so we were talking to erik nardini. The the ceo female ceo known token female ceo. And she was like she was like down to fucking have the conversation. At least she's the best. We loved her. She loved us. She's down closure washer in her. It was happening during the holidays. Portnoy was like in miami fucking clubbing with kodak black. And all of those shows and everything so like it wasn't the smoothest conversation and shoes middle manning and and you know it's definitely an ego thing omitted manning please yes medal-winning so we thought that maybe maybe there's like a slim slim one percent chance we pull this off. we're in the studio still recording on barstool december. Twenty nineteen and our mics are hot. And we're telling grams chuck and chef right. Yo there's a possibility that failing upwards could be no more so what are some names. Also how are we going to court you. Here's an idea. What if we actually steal some equipment from parcel and just like walk out with you guys joking. Allegedly there's truth in all humor though so our guy chef who call chef. Because he's fucking nice with the editing wasn't so nice. This time actually uploaded that entire yacht. Mike foale like yes very very done in the middle of negotiating for our ip back for free And we were in. There was like an ongoing conversation happening when our dini and then she does hit someone else. She hits a proxy. Hit us know you guys are done like any kind of maybe upload hot mic conversation roy thank you thank you for that and then and then i will say like i think when it was all said and done there was some level degree of a hail mary. Because if you're barstool it's bad business. And not even mentioned setting bad precedent that james talking about though we did walk so call her. Daddy could run to some degree even though it didn't work so it famously really famously didn't work out in their favor either but cliffs so that call her that kind of stumbled worked out from the one yard line either way and it was all for the better though and here. We are now working for cells and we just have a worst name. That's all i lawrence name people. Actually a lot of people think throw fits better feeling upwards. I think having the word and your name is pretty fucking bad. That's fair i guess. I can't jackson logo and that's about it. That's really throwing fits is probably a better name for like what you were saying that brandon. I appreciate that pilot talking about clothes you. You'd be option that. You'll never jacking off jacking off with brennan war. Does that was not an original idea. That came on pod like one twenty zone level. You're easy and it's never too late. Brandon keeps trying to make sure that i always like to. I always like to point out on my end. It is never too late and jack o but it's your name but it's like no. Your name is the first. Your name is actually. I don't be way to connor. Mom with brandon wardell. Money insert jacking off with brandon. Wardell and like all the meditative everything out there. So when people are searching jacking off with brandon wardell which they inevitably are they hit your patriots although regular people that are searching that you want them short pops up when you search for brandon. Wardell like feet picks. I'm sure the patriots right. I mean you got to have that. Seo unlock you guys. Know what the fuck you're doing. Yeah which is the fee. The feet here has been kind of a little dry a dry generous. And that kind of on you for not like people d- pledging because they're not giving up the goods. No but people still stay. I mean it was never. It's never most people are on the five but the couple people look real freaks. Yeah sixty sixty of them. Sixty strong love that you know them personally. I mean you've see their information that i've not i mean. Some of them have reached out. Shot some of their emails like Grab yeah how badly did you guys Dip in listenership and patrons subscribe patrons describes during the the panini start of the pandemic. Did you see adele. Did you call it. The panini yeah. I'm let's say let's say that's the shop yak for this page. Sorry my bad back to. I did wanna luebeck to the sneaker talk because you do lawrence you have like a whole routes have half our proper shoot and by the way can i just make a correction for the audience. It was mentioned that you have shoes in this background. Like brennan has books. Brennan has a normal person amount of books. You have our normal amounts choose you have. Your entire background is filled with more than has some books on a like a subpar amount of books. I feel like i'm not shelves is only half full and it ends with the sonic the hedgehog. There's more and more than this sold a lot. Recently to 'cause i like says i just. Oh yeah yeah. I mean you got to at some point. You got to choose wife or secretive secret collection to be fair. A lawrence does have a lot of non-smokers over his. I believe right shoulder. There's a lot of loafers including apollo offers all sneakers right okay. 'cause i do i do wanna talk about this because i have. I've got like a sticker wreck in my in my apartment. That i've really downsized my collection but even still all have odd guest. Come in that are like oh this is so many sneakers are in the may earn your like in the front like where you're like i go. I've got a one bedroom apartment snooker shopping with brady. You wouldn't put them in your bedroom or like your closet out right now. Sign but for spatial reasons for spatial reasons. But i got rid of all of the like bright nonsense. Thank you right is i was like. I can't exactly baby shoes. i'm too old to be when we're in any goddamn babies especially size thirteen years wearing a damn size. Thirteen people listening right now. Note the fuck. He's talking about very very quickly. Those you know thirteen or insures audience knows about shoes. That's for sure. Those babies clowns sure absolutely. And so i've i've gotten rid of all of those and i'm kind of on a what i'm on right now. I don't wanna get too into it but air monarchs air maxes newberry. And that's bad it. The shelf a new balance right bit. Keep it real. Yeah you're an editor. You editor yourselves curing collapsed. Yeah i get it. That's great because you congrats. You would agree. It's a it's perhaps a It's bad look to be pushing thirty. Let alone thirty plus wherein damn chunky donkeys. Yeah do your jordan's whatever right exactly. It's goofy minded way. Jack what sneakers. what's your. What's your sneaker boy at all i'm like wearing like basic van slip ons. I'm got my vans on. But they look like look like sneakers spending a minimal amount of money on shoes each year. So i'm like look at all of you guys and it doesn't even you're talking like oh i've i've really changed my ways. I went from spending thousands of dollars in color from shoes. I'm a different man. now. I'm spending thousands on slightly different shoes. That are also equally expensive james or i wouldn't even say james because james has never a sneaker guy but i'm not like an entrepreneur. You meet guys like that that like you know. Keep them on ice. That's not always wear my shit. I thought i think i mentioned it. I referenced earlier. We're like we're your sneakers brandon this fucking literary guys like read your books Crashing into four very normal. It's very normal bookshelf. In fact i should probably have more books than than a great classic titles in there for brady. That sounds like you kind of succumb to this. The very hyped up very fucking over stimulating sneaker culture world right where you kind of dipped your toe into that world. Yes very much intended. And maybe you fell victim to a little bit and you realize fashion victim from twenty. I would say twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen of fashion victim. And i do think that in part of the pandemic did kind of the pandemic and then also just like getting older. I mean let me be very. Join year old back. You got one older not much on the fast. But that's older. He's telling me older a lot in your fucking twenties dude. That's acted like dog years. One year older is a lot like the difference between like me like twenty three and now is like significant mile to head or twenty four. Now is that what you're saying you know. I'm i'm a twenty eight year old man okay. So that's the it's the closer you get to thirty i. I do think that there is like this breaking point of like flock can't like i can't dress like a fucking cartoon character. Yes of course. Yes but there's many. Many many men many many men that i think when they get into their thirties one lot more disposable income to the fact that we don't know or a lot of guys on how to like process emotions or anything like that just falling back on shit that you loved when you were a kid and maybe couldn't get your hands on them for whatever reasons. Guess what now you got that. Now you're getting your paper up know and just learn how of a drug and you can overdo. Yeah why do you think streetwear toys r. Fucking going crazy right now. Why do you think us on cards bro. Old like old supreme is a fucking thing. right look at lawrence. He's a fan of maison. Maison jeb and sneakers absolutely. I mean it's not just kids because like what kid besides like rich kids can really fuck spend thousands and thousands of dollars on sneakers. A lot of it is grown ass. Men that are maybe just like oh i can do this now. Because i'm a grown ass man with baby sneakers on it's a great. It's a great replacement for personality like a lot. Hobbies right for like casting is definitely one of them as well so you know. Let's not throw stones. But yeah i think james absolutely nailed it on the head. Sound like we're anti sneaker. Like lawrence's has a fucking ton of sneakers like i have a ton of secrets back there just that we try not to fall victim. The way brand new did to the fucking hype that creates this artificial desire. Because it's all fucking marketing. It's all just you know whether you are on your gary v shit and your rising grind shit and you want to become the next benjamin kicks. Let me free my man. Yeah free penn. I'm sticking with the. I'm sticking with the new balance. Nine hundred ninety and tasteful to this young ones airmax also about tastes. One one pair of trucks you know but yeah i do think you know i was. I was in a dark dark place that you came on our pod with uh like it was a gucci pack. I think it was a cowboy. Bebop fanny pack. That was like a free thing. So there's no there was somebody who looks and a half ago. It was called remember though. This is in twenty seventeen. Jack let me grow. Jesus say that. I remember that picture because brandon used it a lot for promotional reasons moving forward. You definitely thought you looked great in your jacket that one. i'm talking. I'm i'm happy with the oh the. Abc jacket is like a staple that i mean. That's like something that. But i saw that we just took into studio at barstool. Hq that we used to whatever promote episode. I definitely saw use it on flyer so good at the time. The i think the the picture that you're talking about is maybe december twenty eighteen which was in the midst of my fashion victim air. I looked like a victim. But i think that there there were definitely if you scroll the gap still. You're gonna find some some photos where i was fashion victim and i i you know i'm to say real quick Hashtag stop asian. Hey don't buy. Abc yeah famously. Racist speaking of famous for the wrong ship. Yeah what are you doing their stuff dude. Yeah i mean these are your house. You're you're talking to men who spent years defying shiloh. Buff every ed. By the way every day by the way ours. Ours of audio of you. Just being like man shiloh. Both is fucking man. he's from audio. Five minutes of audio of us we have. yeah absolutely. We have an episode where i was being attacked by you and probably a guest. Maybe about alabama. Jacqueline fucking ground. He always gave me vibes killer. And he sucks you. You're are you. A great judge of character is good. I have a good nose for freaks right now. Do you think is like like like the whole army. The notorious pre canceled somebody. Well no. it's just like you know it's glaring behavior. It's like not don't even think it's like a skill on my part. It's just like seeing somebody do some shit that's like. Oh that's indicative of absolute fucked person when he was like. We didn't shiloh buff on camera. Like tell a black cop. Like your uncle tom or some shit. It's like adding. He didn't say that he what did he say he said like. You're a bad black person because you're cop or something like that. I mean either way. It's like a cop. Yeah it's a weird judgment for a white person to pass a black person let alone an actor a millionaire super weird thing to say that anybody but a millionaire to say to a working last person. It's just like it's the type of judgement to pass our bastard. Shaya only egomaniac would think that way or even like you have that in their head lawrence night warrant sign so many people like ignored the fucking telltale signs at this morning out of his mind and treated people around him like fuck shuttle buff. Yeah i mean. I always thought he was like a sociopath. Some people are acting because they traded at some people are good at acting because they're just always acting pretending to be a person with emotions empathy and not a sociopath k. I was having which is even. He went on a morning show at one point and he talked about how he talked about the look in depth like the shiloh buff. Look and he. He talked about how studied a nuance. The process was forgetting dressed. And while for someone like you. Jack who doesn't really care about at all that seems like psychopathic. Try hard to whatever exponential degree. I remember hearing that and being like dan. What a thoughtful dresser. I think people didn't really but we're the freak radar starts like swirling around like your person that's been in the public eye your entire life. Most people like that can't stand it at that point and wouldn't go out of their way to like furthermore lights the i think he was very He he talked a lot about hating the public gaze and having a very complicated relationship with an he has he is like a guiding light. Well then why is he putting on silly outfits and walking through public places in l. a. on purpose where paparazzi are. I mean would be. I guess but and making art where. It's all about him all the time or people coming to look at him and touch him. It's all about him he's sticking so his everything revolving around the question. I hope you're going to answer one way really. Hope you're not gonna answer the other way A hill do you get freak vibes from him. No i think he's just thank god. I think he's very sincere. I think he's just like probably you know he wants to be a skateboarder and like a cool guy. Don't we all just kind of like classic like you know. He's he's recuperating. This is really very earnest street. Where guy yeah we were gonna get cancelled in anybody's wake though it'd be joan i mean that's the only real proximity we have to fame or hollywood whatsoever so we'll just seems like everyone that we put on and maybe it is because fashion and style narcissistic and so like superficial at its absolute essence. Seems like a lot of people that we champion ended up being fucking dirtbag so it's like fuck like so. Many jack were bad. Judge of or no knows blind to the freaks. 'cause i guess i'm one of them shit well not i mean perhaps to take inventory of your values damn yo fucking. Wow fuck oh fuck. That's why we're here. this is again. I didn't even know we were granted. You have a book that i could maybe borrowed about that taking values. I have the secret of the trilogy's side shake catching main chick feeling now which is not dollars if you want to like. Find a copy because it's out and it was self published. You can't find it anywhere and so you go on amazon. It costs way too much to get a copy. So i won't be. I will be doing a an audio book. That's for a paycheck exclusive book which will be very time consuming. Does the cy chick become. The main check by. The end of the trilogy is well. You'll find out as officer. I'm getting ahead of myself out. She was your own main chick this whole time. There's a lot of. There's a lot of death in betrayal. But i'm not gonna you know self help books zero self-help zero self-help books. How do you. That's what the stages for right. You don't talk. How did we how do we get on shah anyway. Like us back. And god knows i passed. I passed the buck because he was trying to cancer. I knew let's get into you. Want to get off game. If that's the game we're playing. I came here to play this direction. Kansas city shuffle. What a pro. Call me bo. Jackson who warns. I've not been finish on. Abc guy for a minute. But then we had on kyle ing on the pod the designer brain dead which is like a huge brand. I that's fucking rules like. yeah whatever. Whatever like he's just a fucking he's a maniac. He's got the brain dead. Abc collab- here. Yeah well that's the memed. Collaborate was ending ends racism because of what it represents. But what's interesting about this guy. John too in terms of having like fashion right now is kind of going. Well has been like an all these industries going through. You know the these huge see changes and this guy right when when his remarks which were like. We're talking about shitty instagram captions. And he said the word in front of connie west. Who when they designed a Collection together the name of that collection was Blanket paris like you have these little. And he said i can't say that because friends are gone. Right right yeah. He pulled out the the hood pass on that but but when these things happen. The fashion industry lake lamp. Like guys like james and myself. We're at complex and four pins at the time you know your your reporting reporting on it. You're you're getting them plays but but the the he's a guy that like there wasn't really any repercussions and he doesn't talk. This is not something that he brings up now. But i wonder like what he would say if someone like you know shoved the mike in front of space but it's what's interesting about. Him is his upbringing because of where he grew up. Jane where's he from he's He's either algerian or moroccan yellow. There's all the complication with like society that he made me wonder something you know. He put out that collection that involved the n. Word in the name. I assume that it's trademarked. So i guess that raises. The question like are is he allowed to say it if he owns the trademark. It's part of his. I assume payment comu- share the trademark. Just pays the royalties. Yeah i mean he has he has to say it like to get the trademark. I'm sure he's calling up. Can i think it might have been code-named situation. I would imagine that. Jay z and kanye the throne the throne llc. I'm sure they probably trademark that for sure. I mean that was. They had to do it because he couldn't say it on the phone at the french trademark office. They only use the phone. There that's like couldn't have done We got thrown at the izod center in jersey. Oh boy oh center the variety. I saw the the verizon center cost center bigger more special. What's another polo brand. Yeah the ralph lauren's polo center speaking of the polish. So the us what's the mall. One the uspa absoulte associated poll association. Like sad as has paulo like assassin is. How it's like abbreviated ralph. Though there was a there was a now ran into there's a vine where can walk in the store and just started corral photos. Incredible is there. Do you think that shit. There's a polo brand. That sounds like a great vine. There's a polo grant for every class in america. I think maybe oh sure. Is there one below. Us i think there is. It's like bootleg. Uspa checks polo. Sport shops was ralph's like they licensed that allen that was like like. Oh poor like kohl's yeah we'll give you chaps. You can't wear. They can't even wear the pony. We don't even put ponies on that. That's not opponent atlas chaps by the way yeah interest vertically integrated and all social class. You're like a genius kind of busy. Us pa low tier and then. And that's and that's even just like not even part of the ralph lauren empire but they really do knock offs. Uspa then there's then there's polo then this polo ralph lauren. And then isn't there like some top tier polo like purple or something. There's purple labor labels able there's double l. If you wanna be a fancy cowboy while like eight of american headdresses type beat. They got paulo sport. There's a lot as the goat for a reason. Yeah he built his own universe. You know what i'm saying. It's legends stuff. Can you buy actual polo commitment. Like if polo player. you'll be able to wear lauren. Well their stores were so like we're merchandising. Such an amazing what. I really want this world building that they were trying to do that. I think you could. You used to be able to into one of the flagships and you could buy anything. I think in the store or maybe not. But that's feels like i don't know how when you consider that rack right there. Ephemera that jack is talking about like saddle. Saddles like there's crazy stuff. I'm i'm almost positive. They days they had. They've made so much kinda random shit but you know that's real lifestyle. Shit what can you say. I like my favorite part of the polo extended. Universe is young dro became polo. Dro- you remember that. yeah young. Dro the rapper. Just like fully committed to changed his name to polo dro- shadow young dro real quick on his taped. I am legend has the strongest i. Five song run. I think any body music since like beethoven track for track. Your music falls off your peak. Mixed parents like forty song music but i would love to request young. Dro trump ical. If you do okay Ah goodbye and a young young also get driver. What young dro jock. Who's going. it's going down. Which is slapped too. But he's an atlanta guy. It's a different debate. So now now people are literally telling him to meet me at the mall to pick them up from the mall because he's new people. It was actually quite sad. People are clowning him and he's like yo. I'm just fucking trying to work here. Yeah no shame at all. I mean but it's like that's that's wild that also. Yeah mimi at the mall and pick me up yes. That's i mean. It's not a joke but needs to be said. It also is kind of sad and speaks to how ridiculous. The music industry is fast. Massive james was vp. Def jam before. He became a retired professional. Podcasts or record exempt. The two years that i spent we're very insightful. Into how horrific the music industry is and this is like a not very successful popping label and not like that predatory unlike young artists. But i was just like is fucking set. It's just it's all bad press. It's a depressing place. I didn't know about that by the way young jock. Hope that's true by the way. I hope we're not just like putting them on. I don't know that happened. He went viral for like people like fucking shaming him for like. We go like you know clowning him for like trying to make living america like everybody else fucked up. Dancer said that. Mimi at the mall. Going down all said that they. It said that he was getting was getting bullied for trying to severe anything. Let's cut throat. Ask for the oxen throwing the man's jam roma streamer to this. I don't know got paid by the record. Label of tall. It's i don't think that that's necessarily what he would want. Somehow dude i would respectfully get understanding and then reminding him former. Glory four us gets canceled for jack. We don't pass the jack. Wagner sniff. test. All canceled enroll driving like flying uber cars. Twenty years now and some kid comes on fucking plugs into the podcast episode horrible. Oh yeah right now like my car not in twenty years. Yeah fucking too bad months away from his happening to me. So i'm not gonna throw stones snow not far away from scratch newburgh all like. Yeah so you know. Ready to start not put on our podcast renting into nfc those fee pittsboro. Yeah yeah i mean it just feels like the bubble. The bubble burst feet bubble and that the fee bubble burst or really collect there but the collectibles bubble is going crazy. So take the assets you already have in a pivot. That's fighting the feet. Bits like a of people. A lot of people who are trying to sell feet picks after i think it kind of it but nobody can move the needle. Like the fucking kid. I'm you know sell used books all dog year to me. You know what. I saw a lot of people biting our way of editing. The feet picks out. Because you didn't want to show the feet ever right. They were every time. I fucking did this. In in a in a fifth pick. And i hadn't tagged brandon all. He's the one so yeah. But like i. But i heard any letterman. She was like oh. I did this. I actually did this like a year prior. It's like. I'm not gonna talk in. Take i'm not i don't know but i definitely were a lot of people that did bite it off of me. Yeah there biters ripped awful lot in like the comedy la. I don't hot space as thought leaders. I don't think so. No i mean and i'm not fucking go small items. I think we bet somebody. Oh yeah i don't. I don't want to like self. Mythology is much. Like says a jacking off with brennan. Who are in a just world right it would be. It would be called that all right. What what's what's proper protocols for when you clearly get ripped off or people are like biting your bits or whatever Call them out. You just accept it as like okay. Cool i would say that. I would say that you you confront them at the store. You confront them at the comedy store. And then later. Become the world's biggest. Podcast talk right. Joe rogan carlos mencia. Who can forget really for who can forget. You know we got accused of me. It wasn't even rogan good. It was that you're using roll getting with the the the funny thing about the joe. Rogan carlos mencia beef. Saugus was like it is so it is like really sad. How how i mean. It's not like the carlos. Mencia did steal jokes and like he is this fall and figure in there. Is that whole fucking south park. Probably over now i actually. I will say. I will move back to the joe rogan carlos. Mencia seven a second but congressman. I remember there was one. There was one week where i was. I did a show at nashville zanies. Right and carlos mencia was performing there the next night and one day like so i do my show and then afterwards somebody that works is like how like carlos mencia was in the back during a bunch of your your set and it was really funny to me thinking about carlos mencia just going up the next night like guys. I i look like what a japanese businessman jerks off to people. Just being like what what know. They know they laugh. Uproariously harder yeah. I'm half filipino. The my twisted but yeah that rogan mencia the famous beefs. He'd be back in the day like he. Definitely you know you. Listen to the carlos mencia. Wpf part one and part two which is really in my that was during my like p comedy days so that was watch the throne. That was like i was like. Yeah like i was really you know living for it but uh when that when that video came out i remember it was like when my space was was the the wave and it was like before. Joe rogan had the joe rogan experience. And he he puts out this video and it was like at that time carlos mencia very powerful and it was kind of the beginning of the the end and you know like he definitely did feel a lot of jokes however one of the jokes that was like he was accused of ceiling like arch. Veer comes comes on stage. And he's like you know you stole the joke for me to you. Know like it's like a whole the whole fucking thing and nine eleven. Joseph savers to puck so they cut to they cut to carlos mencia telling the joke and then our is veer telling the joke however the joke was the joke was like oh schwarzenegger says he wants to build a wall. Well who's going to build it and it's like yeah fucking five thousand open mic also told that joke. Yeah that was just like it was. It was very strange to me that they chose that as like the hill. One of the hills to die on right where it's like. Yeah there's i don't i. I'm pretty sure that's just like a joke that everybody was telling i have. I've no fucking idea what you're talking about to be honest because we're not comedians. We're not funny as evidenced by this past hour. But is joe rogan like because you went from stand-up to pod. God is he like. Your guys is hero. I know overall politics and should aside. I don't i wouldn't say i mean i respect size. Yeah i mean. I'm not like yeah. His bag yes. I respect respect. That fucking burst. I respect that bag. I respect that hustle. And i do think honestly the whole not to get too serious but like there's something kind of nice. I guess about like the idea of a three hour conversation being something that like people so many people listen to you know because there's yeah there's not like a ton of three hours is out your i honestly do it. I do it two hours a week. And i'm like that feels. It feels like to go four hours with the guest and you'd like split it up just to get more because control and the funniest thing about that is some of the people that agreed to do that. Like our mutual friend all of us. Ezra ezra sure if this is what you want you did four hours. Want to keep going. Questions launched throwing fits on the shoulders of ezra it was a two parter two hours and our first. Yes yeah you know. We're we're all guy. He's a patriot or service in the in the true sense in the patriot sense do about three hours a week. Now i guess i would. I do want to point out that in the famous joe rogan verse carlos mencia onstage at the comedy store video. Joe rogan's fit is wild. He's bring the oh pull up. Yes he with that screen. It's just like i mean it's just really funny given how famous you know. It's like a really like leo. We've talked about this before. Joe rogan does dress like an eighth grader backwards. He's johnny pivot un-pc. He's living in college jock. He's wearing the john belushi college. Sheriff house backwards nondescript black fitted. There's definitely no team logo on that adult and it's just fit. It also says college on the front. What years this and also i can't be. They actually like actually confronted each other on state. Yeah this is crazy. This is very famous video. Like i said this is great. Because we're done. I mean this this is like oh this is definitely oh seven. It's hard to take it all just starts to look kind of the same sure you know that is what a level of intensity and that all comedians. Now south park was the nail in the coffin. They had a whole fucking. You know. yeah don't do that boys with a fish sticks and your fucking done boys. I have a question a little bit of a topic. Change the this pops in my head right before everybody to kind of weigh in and this is mostly brandon right brennan. Yeah yeah we'll just go fuck ourselves shared. Dude you're gonna come you have to come in with there's brandon mercer. I'm you spoken about comedians. Being hot right what is your opinion on most are not being too hot. Is median oboe. Like the idea. The idea oh wait. Wait i i for phrase that wrong. Hot people trying to be comedians comedians. Yeah i mean. I do think that ethically it's it's cheating right sound. Yeah i think it's even more towards like amateurs right like like people on instagram. Like hot people trying to be comedians making comedic content kind cheating because people are gonna pretend to laugh because they're hot right. Sure like a classically attractive person making a making funny video instagram. Or whatever camera comedy. there's some. I think that there's some people that are doing front facing stuff that are funny. Oh sure but are. There's those yeah. I'll go to the ones doing it right but no i mean we all know somebody that's like very conventionally attractive some comedy thing on instagram in the comments mind you. It's not funny and the comments of course just tons of people like oh my god. This is the funniest thing. I've ever seen blah blah. It's cheating cheating. It's definitely yeah. It's definitely you're you're you're going at bat with the corked bat so getting into my questions ball which is produced ball as a comedian. Is it unfair for you to use your comedy when you dip your toe into trying to be a hot person. What are you talking about jewish anything. I'm accused i'm not i don't i'm very anti. I'm anti comedians posting. Like purely thirst traps against it entirely. I'm pretty against it. I think there needs to be some kind of justification for it. But like i do think the ethics of a comedian posting purely just a photo where it's like like. Oh look i look hot. I do think that that is wrong. Okay and i. I also i went back. I've archived every brennan brandon. You're taking your personal personal. Go this is let me speak. Let me speak. let me speak up. I wanna say. I wanna say i went back. I've talked about a what. I consider to be a fashion victim era and i have gone back and i are acted archives. All sort of all sort of fifth picks. Because i was like even if even if this is done with some sort of like ironic detachment i. I don't think it's okay for me and for lawrence that makes sense for james. That makes sense you guys. That's your whole fucking whatever. But i was like as as a comedian jokes. We have fits busy post purely be like look at this outfit. Yeah it's wrong. i think. That's i think that's totally. I'm going to issue a notes app apology. I think brandon is the rare hot and funny. But i think that you guys aren't even those. We're not even answering my question though using comedic skills like if he's posting if a comedian doesn't have to be grant in under the table. You're trying to post a fit pick if you're using a comedic caption to soften the fact that you're posting a fit pick you or comedian is that equal and fair. I i i think that's too okay. Yeah interesting i've seen and i try to. Present fit picks in a comedic manner self self-aware. Oh deprecate wholesale fashion podcast. I'm neither hot nor funny. So i had no opinion on on the matter here. So you guys are good looking guys just purely talking. Be funny because a lot of comedians use like trauma insecurity that informs comedy and. I think that there's absolutely a correlation there with guys that are into like appearances collecting and like name dropping like fashion brands. And shit. where it's like. You weren't cool as a kid and now you're trying to be cool as an adult which is like it's all based in your can you can be unconventionally attractive in kennedy. I mean and there are a handsome there. Are i mean anthony. Jostle neck is a guy and he's one of the one of the best really bad haircut though. He has a terrible haircut. I will say jack hold on. Hold on i just wanna say. I think that hot people in fashion kind of the same way where hot people in comedy like. Like rick owens said yo like the most important thing to be hot right. I see like these people getting off. Terrible fits but they're fucking hot and they are getting crazy gagarin crazy love and it's like but this is like not just individual john's with the whole fucking the whole everything is just fucking do butts so like i guess like to see a comedian. Try to use comedy to dip into the fashion fit world. It's just like it's so transparent. We see what you're doing. Yeah and also recognize our struggle as above average looking professional fashion podcasters. Everybody else in fashion is a fucking smoke. Showed dime piece. It's actually in its engraved in the Do dot com profile on us from the summer. Call this too average looking young to be clear when you're painting the mental picture. Just normal dude. These guys have never designed clothing look average. So why do they have a fashion podcast. I do. I do want to clarify that. There are there are comedians. That are hot. That i think are very talented. But they're not leading with being hot. I think no leading with being hot is is. That's that's like oh. This is a house of cards. Cuteness is a privilege right. How far have you gone because you're a fucking cutie dude. If i was if i was like bully like i mean i've definitely benefited from being like cute for a comedian. Yes one hundred percent. This would be done before you'd be fun. I i'd be wouldn't be funnier. But i i don't think i'd be a. I don't think i would not be successful and that is right now. I think now. Like i mean y- man like in the beginning cutie pie bags. There's hashtag blessed we get it answer. Instagram world has maybe seeped into comedy in a way. That does feel strange. Sometimes where. I do think when i when i got into comedy. It was like mostly ugly people and now more and more like this. There's the the new generation. It's it's a lot of people that are like very hot and i don't know it's they'll leads. We'll see we'll building. Because here's the thing i have even if they're getting in. I think there's an exit to the funnel for the real hot people because like yeah. Yeah 'cause i honestly who do you think the house comedian is i would say that. They're real probably really hot for comedian. I'm not thinking about anybody in specific but really hot for comedian. Not really hot for a person who is famous for being hot right. Sure because if they get super famous and they're also hot they realize oh wait. It's way easier to just a famous person. Hotness will work kumail as soon as he got those ads. he's not being funny not he's being like. Oh i'm i'm the guy who i'm i'm hosting a standup show a store in comic book movies. And so now. He's just kind of like he doesn't tell and i don't mean to shed on kumail because he's he's he has like what's there to shit on rich like he's rich right. You stupid idiot. You're so rich in bobby. He looks like a little mean. I'm not going to do whatever i'm not gonna say. Hands looks insane. Let's look like it's aesthetically. Ugly red jack can ask you a loaded question. okay Do you if that would be okay on your own pockets but do you consider funnier or hotter. Ooh just what your attributes. I don't know ask. Today is a very special day for me now. Have officially more instagram followers than twitter followers. Which means that i am hotter than i am smart. I just wanna bet. I just want to bet because i said yeah i bet more. It's gonna mentioned this on the podcast. I'm going really stood how much money you get the place i didn't actually. I just need you're going to do So jack what do you think your talents. Line mexico really curious. I don't know man you're asking the wrong guy. I have like such a low opinions myself usually well. It's changed a jack that i think jack engages in too much vanity. I'm not time to do it because if anything like you're you're you're not you know a narcissist boring. I'm more of a. i'm really him at all. What are you talking about anything he would love to. I would love to just hear him. Give himself a compliment thinking about the dichotomy. I don't think you know. I don't like wake up thinking things like hey man. I'm fucking awesome like about anything but don't wanna brandon self-help books i've probably made. I do host a comedy podcast and have maty comedy show so if i go i could go on paper and be like i've made money off of being funny made zero dollars being. I don't think i'm hot. Good looking great eyebrows. That's like those are fun. Me no that zero. Your browse world are like. That's like Currency your let's a huge currency. They weren't cara delvina of comedy. They burnt lavinia levin. They weren't always valuable dude. These browser like bitcoin dude there. Nothing not long ago has learned. How has the proliferation of instagram. And just like the general rise of superficiality and through visuals. How has that affected comedy. Like our is the comedy world. Now more concerned because laura we have weird percent niche contingent of like not stand up comedians guys in the comedy world that are also john's enthusiasts and sneaker heads that like love our show and right what the fuck like. You're funny like not no. We don't like it for the humor like because like we're johnsboro. Don't get me wrong. We just like fashion. You guys are literally not funny. Yeah that's very head now. Like more concerned with looks and shit raft year. Because you're ahead of the curve always brandon right like you're you're you pass the stage but how many other comedians are entering like at this fashion victim. They're entering at that point or a. You know a approaching that point. This feels like a multi pronged question. I do think. Yeah i mean. Instagram has definitely ed. Also i mean biz like barely happening right now so like there's so many people who are just on the computer right now and but yeah. I don't know it's definitely like there's a lot of. There's a lot of comedians who are just posting photos of themselves looking hot and there's no sort of there's no ankle there and i do think like more and more i definitely am like i think when i was younger i was just kind of like i surrender to it and was like i'm. I'm ironically doing this. But like the older i get them like fuck like we should. We're not supposed to see pictures of ourselves as much as we do. And then like right you get like getting caught in like the spiral of like fucking self. Curing feels like acid. Bro spiritually. And but i am kind of way to on my adam. Kurdish it. How about this. i've watching. I've been deep in the deep in the cardis whole this. Here's a klay hall and that maybe maybe that's maybe a little more positive who is the swaggie comedian. Who's a comedian. That like your yes they do. That's great personal style. Oh answer by the way. Tim clark addresses great. Yeah he does and he does it but he doesn't. He's not like posting legs. Cool shit to. He loves it. He's he's like he loves it but he's not like you wouldn't know it. You wouldn't know unless well brandon. If you know you know give you know. You know but yeah. He's not like posting photos of screaming from the rap the rafters like some fucking douche. Yeah i'd say my top. Dave chapelle and dane click tied going drip easiest. Yeah yeah data long shirts. that's all rick. I mean that's the thing. He got office fucking. You went for rick owns. Which is the gospel which is crazy. Because we're talking about the greatest. Comedians of all time not someone would think with an adjacency to fashion. But kind of like james said rick has always been about himself personal fitness and that being a part of like the models he'll cast sometimes where it's like not like super buffed dudes like david buff. But there's like a tortoise and the leanness that like he is all about that shit and that's as important as close so. It's weird that dave would be a someone in this space that would recognize that to some degree and go full rick. Which is kind of insane. Listen for granted. You mentioned that. There's barely any santa happening right now. Like the way that there's like underground raves in new york. Is there like underground like illegal fucking out. I'm in they're not a legal. I mean just like like. I'm doing it outside. Okay but not like you know like in the fucking seller of guest all whatever. It's not a speaking like an underground rave. Yeah yeah it's the doors like yoke gonna make the bouncer latte for the get into this species not like the blood raven blade. It's not like the radio two in the made. The cleveland cardiac album release party. Yeah exactly yeah. It's like people on launch in backyard. Or you know what is that fun. I love it out on love and the outdoor stand vibes. The laughs are less. Just the magnitude like is that a thing that you have to get used to the reactions. No people are less people. Laugh the same. I think people also feel like it. You know so cooped up. They're excited they'll laughing while you're saying yeah i mean they're fucking that's why our pod has been so successful interesting. Yeah who's to say by the way. Also looping bag for reporting on the front lines we do i i want to can we. Can we pull up those money team. Hats oh yeah. Just want me to like go to their website. Would that be easier. yeah we did. We joined the money team recently money. Yeah we we recently contacted and we were drafted onto the money team. And so i do want to pull up these hats to do what necessarily to have. Yeah it was just kinda have okay so this is these are. These are hats that i did not know about until last night star of david. Which is floyd mayweather jewish. I think it might be a nation of islam thing. So oh could you explain these hats. I mean stab at that. But i could tell you. Visually is that this is a flat. Bill like a fifty one fifty knock off type of hat embroidered. Three stars of david. At least they're my wrath. It's probably david stitch. I mean with the star of david. Would they have to do with nations shit. There's more than money team on the back. Yeah is it. Five stars of david or five star of david's five david star of david stars of the of david. And there's five of them and hats called the manhattan i'm in tribute to the to the jewish character characters that you know people running coffee on the money team dot com. I spotted a typo in the product scripture on it. I mean you suck dick. These are tara. Says they're called the manhattan hat. Yeah which feels like loaded super super. I think it's well. He needs to be seen as an omar to the jewish residents of one of the five boroughs. Or it's anti the original money team now that the money team is tough times. Don't last tough people do. That's a pretty shady like rising crime. Obviously these hats so you guys. You guys are going to have to post shave. The shelves for i found some. I found like a team with like italy. Colors koi safer feels like a safer choice. He's five star of david's. Yeah yeah sure yeah. He's aligning paul soon. Right are you guys What what saudi. I is that happening. Yeah who's logan. Paul is in puerto rico right now training for his fight with floyd mayweather fight. He's gonna clock cleaned. I can't wait them. I don't even awake. Oh is the audio broken okay. My bad healthy wealthy wise. I'm not sure that's the live laugh. Love of the money team similar to similar kind of you know. I'm still way to live your life and your warren buffett is on the money team. Four dot com. Yeah obviously warren buffett is on the money team and maitre gins dan. I don't know who's top billing amazing election of everybody who's ever worn money team most surprised that most was yes in bay was wearing a hat calls themselves like they don't even have seen bay right like this. This dead naming most have right. That's crazy drove just legendary. I wonder surprise wearing wearing a wingstop shirt and money team has hebrew born you to ten piece counting money. The end this money team had which is funny. Like those pictures are funny to me because floyd mayweather and justin bieber both have so much money that like the act of them. Counting physical cash is just silly. Literal pennies doesn't bollock jackets. One hundred percents symbolic of i mean. Of course it's fake money. I know that they're not actually counting hundred dollar bills to like make a purchase. Just trying to update my my my checkbook. You know what i'm saying. It seems shortsighted. Though 'cause talk me fox is not wearing any jamie. Fox t. Mt merck's though. He's there dotty johnston gb smo- smooth oh machine. Cutoff machine gun. kelly. That's kelly look at. What kitchen is end. dude yet. looks like shit kitchen. Where does that go to the shop this kitchen. He's in like a just like you know fifteen hundred dollars a month kitchen. What's tb so look at j. B smooth. What's tv the. What is tb right. There's the money team. Obviously that's what we're here for. But what's tb something enterprises turbe bore enthusiasm billions evermore. Zab judah jeremiah. It says money. Just make it. That's early fucking wise. I just lies johnny chung named tv. Johnny i thought his name is johnny days little rome. Diddy is that p. Diddy son no. The world may never know okay. These people are always going to lose the most surprising personnel. Here like thinking. We would see martha stewart or something but i hope breath again. I'm right there. James james james. I feel like we can get on this list like we're getting into the tears now where i don't. We're in the right circle. The ven diagram between us and the money team is like very far apart. I'd like to bring it closer but in terms of flake dez bryant social clout. I feel like we could. We could be up there on this part of the wheelhouse team hats folk and billet to you gotta expect blake blake hips. Well hell that's what he does. He's the second to last guy. amanda thirty. no our show bro. He never did your show lake vapes. That'd be james pot. This is a good website brandon. We it's a great pool. You think floyd mayweather the other. Healthy wealthy wise is selling vitamins. Alex jones. maybe he might be. I have a lot of questions right now. That it's like. I want to keep the flow of the pod going but i would normally look these up. Oh dude so. We have like the international collection where there's like joins us this offensive. I'm offended jack. Twenty nine chapter. Oh that's canadian money team. Dude dan you know we know. It's all poor canadian. Bastard whose like wa- just walking around living his life wearing about charlotte hard sitting team. That's legit fire mexican ones. See you a star and the manhattan say so switch exist type. How about this one. Walk the philippine. Joe tnt philippines. James gotta get. Gotta get that your. I'm half japanese japanese. Oh my bad wait. I thought that the tank tops. It says nobody trained harder. But i miss in thought it said something. You're not you're not. We're both we're both happe- but different different kinds. Both a pi. So i i owe us. I think they're kind of short. Sighted with worldwide design thing because like for instance the japan shirt you know. I feel like i could say like the yen team or like the peso's team or the league can trader joe's type beat longtime africa. They just have africa. The africa doesn't get as like the whole continent gets a shirt saying if anybody cares. What is is the best ever. Because he's undefeated he's the goat. So that's gonna be is nobody harder. I see this. It does look like nobody trans harder. Yeah nobody trans harder wall. No i saw. I just saw an offensive. Yeah like the best of merch. You know what i'm saying. The usa destroyed up accurate one true. Well i missed the wh-. I'm fucking slept on the worldwide collection. Wow man i bought. I bought mine bootleg but i should have gone straight to the source. Yeah that's honestly that's offensive to the best ever know. I gotta i gotta correct this immediately. Do i've got a. I got an italian money team hat on posh mark on impulse among damn well this is. This must make this. I feel like this is a huge part of his of like the the the business of flight mayweather i feel like merch is definitely a huge component. Just like boston or supposed to. He was supposed to fight. Logan paul yesterday and it got delayed for covid reasons and now he's fucking. Logan paul's training in puerto rico. I saw some tweet where it's like inside the crazy birthday party of floyd mayweather mayweather turned like fifty something so he's not even training. He's just partying. And you just gonna fuck in dodge every punch. I like how logan paul's career has just descended from being like you know like the biggest youtuber to now. He just makes money off of everybody being excited that maybe somebody will hurt really mytalk. I thought it was jake. Well they blow boxing but bulletin their base locks in the family business dude. That's cool good for them. It's just going to escalate to the point. Where is this going to be pay per view specials. Where it's like russian roulette jarring news gonna make money off of that. Which is legit. That's like some it feels dystopia right and like the way that whatever there was like and it's like that will happen. One thousand probably the local law family twenty years there will be russian roulette apr view. It's just funny to read the article. On logan paulie gee's like skimming through. It's like floyd mayweather fifty zero versus logan. Paul owen one. Yeah i mean like like literally like what do we think. Logan polls going to beat. Floyd mayweather won't even touch them boxing pot and i'm not like an expert but he will literally no we're no future lists floyd mayweather like his whole thing is that he never gets pretty boy. Floyd like logan himself out. Oh it doesn't matter bro. This is a different level of like athlete. It would be like planning. this is michael jordan. Tomorrow he will fucking whoop your ass dude. Yeah like as a guy like asked ever not looking paul. Didn't even fight a boxer yet. He fought like a basketball player. And another youtuber right. Yeah i think he fired his own one. No he was the one that they will robinson. And jake paul jake paul jake paul. Being eight robinson. Obviously we don't was. I don't think that was an officially sanctioned. Us boxing association. Whatever the fuck match undercard tyson. But that's still basketball. Yeah right yeah his brother. His brother defeated a basketball player. Though i guess that's kind of my point to be maybe false. In some way because nate robinson was like a top athlete though a very smart guy who is more of an outlier. So but i don't know. We're talking about logan paul jake paul who's fighting. I don't care either way like it's just a very funny premise. Thanks so much for having us on this podcast. We're to ruin it for you. Like i'm having a great time but i don't know what you thought you were getting yourself. How much do you think how much you think people like see us potentially get our asses. Be ooh he's got a new patron a pay patriot. Patriots tearfully match. Like you don't want like. I don't think i personally don't want to be in a place in my life for. That's how i can make money body. I'm going to get hurt and people are excited about it. I know point. Do i want to get punched on the tv. Yeah because that's a fucking when he joined the us army unless you're urgent marine or you know like administrative guy that's the whole thing. Yeah maybe hurt for money. I'd rather do on an up and choose violence one day. You know through circumstances you cannot control. that's true. I mean no that's like i would never wanna even come close to that you know. I have no interest in any type of violence at all for the most part. So i'm not interested gatos fighting out in college. The boxing would be fun. I think that would be fun. The atri lean like try to win a physical kind of battle. I think it'd be fun with strategy. Yeah i mean. Maybe i'll have to get ready. Just like get trained to get ripped the athletic part about it. The part i don't like specifically that people are paying money hooping. Jake paul or logan. Politics gets killed on tv ambling gordon. You're saying escalating it to floyd mayweather because they keep losing is now. It's just gonna be floyd mayweather mayweather. We know he's not gonna win. So what is it why people gonna watch because they're hoping secretly like. Oh yeah floyd mayweather just going to fucking kill him. Thanksgiving people will be very disappointed attacker. That's going to be disappointing for anyone who wants to see anybody get hurt. So he's also just not gonna like murder a person on tv modern day. Gladiator shit right. Where instead of like christians and lions to you. it's youtubers. yeah but instead of like christians versus lines it's youtubers and content creators versus like tired. Old men that fucking nita needed payday. I guess believers content creators of yield the oj. Youtubers floyd mayweather is going to give him brain damage but then twenty years later. He's gonna you know it's going to be president. Logan paul so yeah. It's like one domino the domino falls like giving logan paul ct. And then. it's the collapse of the western world as like a brett domino money team idea for myself. We're joking about how you guys have that stamina that four our energy stamina pod i was just thinking about like If i just laughed and started to do other things like you'll all be right. Back is and then branded the same thing. Let you guys keep going. oh the two episodes. Oh the second one's just like we're not even on the second half we just be like yo hold up one second you guys keep rolling you bruin and then we just we keep bringing you back and at a certain point you were just recording episodes for us. I wish you because that would a thousand percent. I'm not going to do it but like this would be scheme where we just trick you. This is like my was it. Was it tom sawyer. Or is it huckleberry finn that trick tom sawyer. Who got him to paint the fence. This would be my painting thing big. Hey guys you wanna come back on the podcast again. Which one of them had a friend named jim carey. What was i. don't remember who is. Who is the full name of jim. James oh i still can't remember you'd be more specific rafting. Great he was really into gore. P- he kind like was outdoors type of guy boy. Do you think we got all the meat. Off the bone ribs in regards to the sneakers like in in regards to the post nico world there any parting advice. You have for the listeners. At home in terms of dressing like a grown man. Which by the way. I do remember before i was talking about the previous endeavors. The two of you had. But i just remembered that i recently found a giant coffee table book of lawrence's from like ten years ago. Yes from fuck you. Fuck yeah menswear. Yes tumbler dot com one hundred and this is a coffee table. Book menswear in hardback. I wasn't really like that. That was a book that you could buy an urban outfitters that i wrote with my buddy kept. Whoa you got the urban outfitters bag tumbler. They were handing book deals back. Then we got an early and we got in good. And i think you can. You can probably buy them. Nobody bought them right. So you can buy urban bottom from you on amazon saw. The matters gave me a bag for my blog. Fuck girl boss dot com. Yeah that was missed the boat that yeah that time where it was like. Look at this fucking hipster dot com and then ugly those book they just turn it all everything that was when you had a tweet that got more than hundred faves as you talk about brennan and you'd get a tv show writing job if you made like any tumbler. That had like a theme. Like that. gimmick tumbler. You would get tv chevette. You are dollars. One piece of advice brandon if that was a sincere kind of tack on a second part to that question. Yeah i want to know. Because i brennan is already a fashion victim fashion participant i. I'm not even in the game oats at former fashion. Let's say like for. Let's say random random person listening right now. Even on a budget like where. Where should they be shopping right now. You know where can these people. Throwing dot com. Yeah we said ish no Okay so did you question with the first thing. I can kind of answer both of these real quick and then i'll toss to to jim. Who might wanna get philosophical to some degree. but i'm going to at very specific pieces. I think that for a lot of people listeners at home male or female that have that feel like they lack a certain maybe knowledge base or level of sophistication in like the john's world that james occupied not speaking to the kind of vets of this. But the easiest way i think to start moving away from sneakers into footwear. That is more age appropriate. That is extremely versatile and has a function to go along with foreign. Because it's very comfortable. Clark's wallabies and for the most part in. Everybody can afford those. This isn't to where cream lows in there. I always took the name code. Maple and i wear them real fucking time and you can wear them with a suit and you'll look fucking cool and a little weird and you can wear them with jeans and quartz and i think they're around. The one fifty which i know is not cheap and that might be steep kind of increase for people paid before. But it's worth every penny And they're fantastic shoes and that's what would be my piece of advice that kind of answers both those questions. So what am posting. Go ahead jack. You suggest that a one shoe you recommend it. Ever divide the same pair of it's a very specific schumacher. Podcast dog. i mean not. I don't think we're gonna see like a day losing. I'm just saying like you know. I think that's a that is a that is a extremely specific actual recommendation and me to say this. But i wish they were. Okay i do. I do have a pair of those ale. James james of myself. Maybe i'll do a follow up question if this if this doesn't more like to dress for your body type you want some just kind kinda throw specific follow up. Let's see all right. So so i guess like the when we posting ronin. You're kind of asked him about his brandon like we're not saying don't wear sneakers. What we're saying is kind of like the super over hyped. Constantly in the hype. Don't get like that's so emblematic of so much. That's emblematic of like everything right. It's not just sneakers but it's like everything like you'll buy this. Oh you don't have this. You gotta buy this. You gotta you gotta buy flexes and then you're done it's trash. It's yesterday's news. Whatever whatever lawrence are saying like don't get caught up in that. Don't be fucking soccer with that and that you know beyond just what nike adidas are trying to sell you every fucking week. There's so much more once you get off the time line once you get off the off the hype cycle off that train and it's like there's a lot of interesting history you can like form your own You know every fit you put on is like a form of expression rate You can like kind of signal codes about like what you care about. What's important to you via dislike via your fit My money team helping. You're developing a personal style is even if you'll give a shit about it like that's that's telling people if you dress like you don't give a fuck about fashion like that's fine that's cool you know and you're telling people that because that's not a priority for you and that's again that's okay. Is you know and error and like trying new shit and constantly pushing yourself and getting into like insecurities and uncomfortable territory will ultimately like inform you. Who what you like and who you are a lot about yourself and i think like yeah i guess that's kind of what we mean by posting quarreled again. It's like more. We love sneakers. We wear sneakers the majority of the time it's just more popping fucking bubble of like constant consumerism sh late stage capitalism flexing on the grid. I do think. I do think the phrase late stage capitalism is like i kinda hate that phrase because it is it feels misguided actual. It feels misguidedly optimistic. Sure because it's like i what that we're in the think it's about you think we're about to get out of this shirt right. We we've just begun but yeah break the cycle think for yourself and You know explore you know a a part of yourself that maybe you never thought twice twice about the old. Be inspiring some way creatively or just give you confidence and who can be mad at that jack for like where did where to start. I mean like start with vintage affordable for. Let's let's say let's imagine a specific person right now. They're in like. I don't even know what pants they're wearing but they're wearing like the nastiest american apparel hoodie that they've had for the dress rogin arguing with carlos mencia on the stage of the comedy. Yeah just like they're just like wearing like you know it's miles new york. It's s k. Manner hill it's our legacy and these are all like slightly higher but you can get this shit on legacy is not is not cheap. No it's not no but you can get shit on like i just bought a our legacy like hoodie. Actually for one hundred bucks on grilled which again one hundred bucks is like a priority. But it's like. I know through trial and error and through deafening wastewater money. I know for fact that like this. One john that i just copped. I'm gonna have it for like use like you guys are be too because i mean even for me like oh this is aided hundred dollars that will alienate a lot of people to some point. I think like with jack is talking about is. You're talking and james kinda mentioned this with vintage but it's like finding a great fucking vintage items that speak to you. Vintage levi's classic brands that make classic. Pieces like clark's wallabies size down a half size. They run big piece of advice. Low but yeah. I think it's there's classic there's classics in that everyone knows of and they're classics for a reason. They exist in all these categories. And i think you can find a lot of that stuff just by thrifty. Don't need to make that like a part of your life but you can start kind of experimenting and seeing what's out and eventually italy nothing and eventually get to a place where you are. I'm still wearing clothes for my two thousand and twelve. I definitely stole from the showroom. That i that i worked at work at where he first met. That's to steal these. Just boost your clothes but eventually you'll get to a place where you know. Maybe you're not and it'll show in. Yes you're paying one hundred bucks two hundred bucks or something but i guess what that she isn't gonna fall apart in the wash. It's it's not gonna fall apart at the seams because it's like actually made while there's you know you can feel the craft and the heft to it. It's not just you know some fast fashion shit. Don't steal the swag but boost the john's themselves right so are eventually of the polo store for sure. Eventually you are wearing shit that you know you've fallen in love with an has like sentimental value and there's like your own personal story attaching to it which is weird that you're in love with things for sure But i i don't know i feel like that's kind of what you with. How things make you feel in. Obviously the good things that come out. There's al- there's only so many tangible things in this world and guess what you would brady went through that phase. Guess what he's never going to waste money on like fucking clowns ever again but he had to make those mistakes and the sneakers that he is wearing new balance nine ninety nine to ninety s. I've got the five fifty s. The air monarchs a. Yeah those are those conversations choose where it should forever because it's versatile it's timeless it's been around forever for a minute and guess what like you learn that and you're still going to look like ten fifteen years from now when we're all fucking driving flying tesla's on mars and add add style and norm core became such poplar things because they do represent a platonic ideal the certain taste level that resonates with a lot of people. And that's not something that in and of itself is like a trend that even if like mag york mag is not talking about. It doesn't mean still doesn't look as good as they were which it'll never that that bubble can never burst. Yeah we don't wanna be like the timeless classics fucking bozos because it's a lot of guys in our space. That's the only way they know how to talk about closing. Like to think that james ni- on a little bit more intellectual when were not doing someone else's podcast and ruining you know the complete experience for the audience but yeah. I think that's the perfect place to start. Yeah i mean it's a. I do think the time being timeless classic guy better than there's guys in your age bracket who are fucking posts in posing a lot of tied nonsense. They're wearing chunky donkeys. Damn fool acting a damn fool jayme fifteen you know fifteen. Grateful dead songs bro. Yeah i but you know okay. Well i will say one last before we go. I don't mean this. I don't mean this is As a slight against you guys. I don't i don't mean please. You guys off king. But you're talking ten to fifteen years from now at what point. At what point can you no longer be like. Oh when your home is copying. John's wanting point or memes beat will grow up. I don't know who's to say who. I'm talking like that and generally speaking. I guess i can use even working on as a thirty four year. Old man yeah. I guess like what is what is the age limit on saying john's Thirty seven in two weeks. I don't know. I mean. I think dead this for that. I'm not gonna make it there. But no lawrence and i think we struggle with this where it's like. Yeah we are fucking mid thirty six point when my dad was my age yet like two sons and a wife and five. None of those things I gotta why did he have swag though. He had some slagging he has like he had like. Oh can you have a family and swag. It doesn't have to be a choice. I do want to yeah. I do want to make that very clear before we before the other. You can't aboard swag on listeners. At home you don't have to choose now. great. I mean i absolutely but i think eventually the way the lawrence iraq act now is still similar to the way we fucking were getting after in our twenties. But i think has evolved a little bit. You know the you know certain things that we care about have fallen by the wayside as aids and as the hairlines have receded and as the drug intake has gone down. But i i don't know like what the fuck are we gonna be like wearing forty. I've no fucking idea comes clarity right there. There eventually be a point. Where like we might have some semblance of you know some talking some fucking little john's addict that's listening. Throwing fits is gonna launch the podcast that you jumps over the jump man and takes over and like to be sincere for a second like the coolest thing about throwing fits so far has been the fact that we have seen kids kind kinda like sound so fucking corny but like this community whatever. Kids are like cr- starting brand starting newsletter starting their own podcast starting You know entire websites even something as trivial a zoo board like yell on the weird kid in my fucking hometown. That actually likes this shit. And guess what i don't have any friends and they call me gay whatever but now like these kids online and guess what actually started this brad. These kids online and they also call me gay. Yes they're my friends five friends. Yeah but eventually one of those kids is going to fucking shit that you know body shots us like vogue like floyd mayweather logan. Paul breaks livers. And we're gonna die and that's fine. Yeah fingers crossed but yeah who knows when that time will come but until then no we will keep saying john. Brennan thank you. Somebody has to come darasing. We're really basically shamelessly the basing ourselves on the internet for money just like anybody else. Ours happens to be about fucking johns and sneakers. You just basically said that. You'll stops saying john when you come in pry it from your cold dead mouth exactly where it is. And then i'll take anything that's a fair question. I mean we ask ourselves all the time in our family asks us as well. That's something that are trying to figure out right now. It's like what's that quote. The homie chairman malik. What is the next great leaps over for the pot right like we can't just fuck. Do this twice three times a week. So i'll just Close it out by saying that We just established or you guys just establish that john saying john. All that stuff timeless. It's going to age. Well five. Perfect brennan sightseers right now. He's going to be totally stoked on them in five years. And i assume we can just come back and visit this episode and we'll just see how it goes you know. Don't release this time. Capsule shit ground. Yeah all right well. Thank you for listening to everybody in boys. Thank you for coming on the podcast clogs. Besides all amazon links you just basically said out loud and clear. The affiliate links in the description will jail everyone. Everyone fit pick wearing The money team merchant ship fit check. Friday max boyce. Dj's top trips will real worry. Twelfth trees. 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Improve Your Sleep

Now For Tomorrow with Deepak Chopra

05:00 min | 6 months ago

Improve Your Sleep

"Hello the Shobra and this for tomorrow. Collection of actions you can do no during the same of disruption and crisis to make tomorrow better. Today I want you to take a moment to look at something simple and surprisingly powerful. Improving your sleep. You've probably heard that sleep remains a medical mystery. But there is no doubt from the research that eight to nine hours of deep restful sleep is essential to your health. Yet even in normal times, people still don't value sleep enough. Without the proper to sleep the risks mount for many conditions including depression and anxiety. So in this challenging time, it problem arises. How'd you get enough sleep when the troubling situation keeps you up at night? The answer is a consciously program. The. Full, giving you your homework for today. Let me outline the ground Ruth's of the kind sleep that helps prevent insomnia. Depression anxiety. Obesity. Die To. Diabetes. Loss of mental focus. Lured physical coordination and more. In general researchers, tell us to consider sleep the mastery bio rhythm of. whose effects are crucial to every aspect to will be. Careful critical facts I you should go to sleep as closely as possible the same time every night. And Rake up same time every morning. This induces the brain to have a normal sleep rhythm. Second. Don't force yourself into a baton, you aren't genetically designed for. People are naturally of morning larks. And don't pressure family members to adopt just sleep action if it isn't this. The. Sleep, should be deep. Ideally you want to be fast asleep quickly and then entered deep dream sleep. And finally, the grain is extremely sensitive to light and noise. Total darkness in total silence at the best for normal sleep the. Your homework follows from these fundamentals. I establishes said routine for bedtime and waking up. Next. Make you sleeping area totally dark Even. The light from a laptop bedside clock can fool your brain into waking up. And finally make your sleeping area as silent as possible. We, all need to approach sleep as nature's best preventive medicine. Lack of sleep is connected with depression and anxiety. But. The bigger picture is that every chemical level of the body goes out to balance when you're doing sleep Once society becomes attuned to the importance of sleep. There's another horizon which is sleep and awareness. When you are asleep, you're conscious experiences absent and yet metabolic sleep is an extremely active state. More and more it seems as if sleep is the body's most aware time resetting almost every process from detoxifying the brain to building solid. It sounds strange. But when you are asleep, you're in some ways at your most aware. Indian tradition of Yoga Sleep is your consciousness. The absence of experiences like removing deal that conceals a connection to the infinite field of consciousness. That is the basis of all existence. What this means for our Abd`Er life today is minimal at best. But there is a vast region of sadly experience to be explored. INTUITIONS HEIGHTENED SLEEP And so his creative inspiration. But now though the imperative is to pay more attention to good sleep in discussion crisis. Good sleep is into add on to our lives. It can impair many other elements of your life. I'm. Deepak Chopra. Be. Well, my friends. Now, for tomorrow is produced by Jesse Baker and Eric, newsham of magnificent noise for religion of sports. Are, production staff includes Adam schloss men nor was was and George Brown.

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Every Relationship Needs Communication

Now For Tomorrow with Deepak Chopra

05:46 min | 9 months ago

Every Relationship Needs Communication

"Hello I'm the Bre. And this is now for tomorrow. A collection of actions you can do now during this time of disruption and crisis to make tomorrow better. Today I want to take a moment to talk about the one thing that bonds a strong relationship. Communication. The deep, the communication, the more intimate and free a relationship is. On the other hand lack of communication is perhaps the greatest reason for relationships eroding and breaking down. Your assignment is to pick someone you closely relate to for most people it will be their spouse or them sit down with them and express the desire to hear what they have to say. Invite the lines of communication to be open. And if they are already open invite deeper communication. There are many stereotypes about this topic some not as valid as they could be. For example women supposedly find men unwilling to communicate. Women are apparently more comfortable with how they feel and are therefore more able to express emotion. Men presumably preferred to be strong and silent or at least not video open when they do talk. Let's put the generalities aside and talk about your relationships right this moment. Every relationship has its own level of communication. There is no set standard. The measurement of how well you communicate lies with how satisfied you feel. Are you able to express yourself freely to your partner? Can you trust that what you say won't be held against you later. Can the two of you take constructive criticism or is one person more thin-skinned than the other? In most relationships, these questions are settled fairly early on. The real problem arises when communicating has become stale routine and limited. This can easily happen overtime. You assume you know your partner. So well, there's nothing new to discolor. Or you have grown tide of trying to communicate only to meet with grudging responses and disagreements. There are ways to prevent the strength from happening and to reverse it if you're not communicating well enough. I, you have to take responsibility board opening the lines, of communication. Everyone has something to say, but took people talking at each other isn't communication. You need to be as interested in listening as talking. That's the most important rur. Second don't talk because you have a backlog of grievances resentments our disagreements. Chew communication happens in the present moment without rehashing the bust. One to take responsibility be patient and attentive to the other. Here it helps to be honest if your partner is really too predictable, avoid any topic where you know you will get a prerecorded tape instead of a conversation. Bring up something you know your partner is open to talking about without preconceived beliefs. Instead of politics the weather, the latest news flash or gossip Jew, something of mutual interest. You might offer a photo of something beautiful and interesting or discuss favorite memories of a shared experience like a trip or. But in reality, it is your intention that counts the most. The intention behind true communication is to bond with the other person. Empathy is much more important than the exchange of information. Some verbal habits are almost guaranteed to block empathy. These include complaining about your day telling the other person that they are wrong. Saying I told you so. And recounting all the times you have been right. Begin to notice when you're tempted to fall back on any of those habits. was relaxed and don't given to your inbox. My intention isn't to outline the do's and don'ts of communication. Relationships, that last longer take a few weeks or months to find a basis talking and sharing. It's a simple natural thing and one of the major reasons we seek to be in a relationship. We want to be heard understood and valued. Just keep in mind that your partner wants those things just as much as you do. Your role is simply to offer a reminder of this fact so that you can both be on the same page again. I'm, Deepak Chopra. Be well my friends. Now, for tomorrow is produced by Jesse Baker and Eric Newsham of magnificent noise for religion of sports. I'm production staff includes Adam SCHLOSS men nor was was and George Brown.

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Handling Your Worries

Now For Tomorrow with Deepak Chopra

05:52 min | 9 months ago

Handling Your Worries

"Hello I'm the BRE and this is now for tomorrow. A collection of actions you can do now during this time of disruption and crisis to make tomorrow better. Today I want you to take a moment to talk about the best way to handle your worries. This is a worrisome. I am for many people and for society as. Everyone wants to be optimistic about the future once the Gobert crisis has subsided. The issue of what he faces us here now and we have to deal with it. Very easily escalates and people tend to be divided between warriors and those who are not paying attention to their worries. Your assignment is to sit down with your partner someone you feel closest to. and. discuss. Worried that has come up. Your aim is to mutually settled best scores to get bus the way so that both of you feel things -iety has lessened. Handling worries is unfortunately one of the weakest coping mechanisms. Almost everyone. We fall into self defeating buttons that don't actually improve or solve our worries. Are Fears in isolation or else we constantly broadcast ways. We pay far too much attention to what we are afraid of and my little to what the people around us are afraid of. The way that most people commonly deal with body is to seek distraction through television video games, the Internet or alcohol. There is a better way. He simply anxious feeling that keeps repeating itself. If, you're a chronic wadia, you're stuck in a bad habit without knowing how to break it. But, what he is in complex, it is an unresolved filling. As such a needs. To be resolved before the wedding will go away. But. He also has an element of memory we learned to any in the bust and the things we. Worry about remained pretty fixed over time. Chiefly financial and relationship buddies healthwise or fear of failure. A persistent feeling like Eddie cannot be resolved by struggling against it. Ignoring it or trying to force yourself to be buzzed. What he's a signal of threat. So the first step is to say what the threat is. You can do this privately with someone else. I realized that some of our bodies are embarrassing to talk about but even if you pick a common like growing old or not having enough money big someone to talk to who doesn't shed that way because sympathetic confident who will take your anxiety seriously without judgment. nextstep personally find that detects to be decisive because what he feeds off confusion and indecision. Take the one what you want to clear. Hoskins south if it fits into one of three categories. Something you convicts. Something you have to put up with. something. You should walk away from. You might even take a piece of paper and write down these three headings then the reasons for each. With any Cedar sweaty retried to vacillate between trying to fix it giving in and putting up with it. Or being. Tempted to walk. By listing the reasons behind each alternative, you can arrive at a decision and then stick to it. Most arrays can be fixed. So that's the most productive route. But you might have to put up with a temporary financial squeeze or walk away from an abusive relationship. The point is to be decisive so that why doesn't keep nibbling at you around the edges? Now, seek support for ending your worry avoiding people who neighbor'll it Recognized that when you tell yourself things like if I worry chose that I care or I have to worry because others around me don't seem to. Or. By wedding I'm fending off the worst things that might happen. What you're actually doing is keeping yourself trapped in a pattern. These thoughts? What is we of keeping you from giving up the habit of wedding? When any thought repeats an old worry us. Get to go away. It is possible to do this because once you see that thought isn't something you need you can detach from it. Finally never you get into a very some mood ring yourself out of it by settling your mind sit quietly with ice close. But your attention known in your lower abdomen and take deep regular breads until you feel calm and quiet insight. Returning to a state of balance in this, we should become your default way to handling an anxious mood. You are in control of your moods, not the other way around. I'm Deepak. Chopra. Stabile. Now for tomorrow is produced by Jesse, Baker and Eric. newsham of magnificent noise for religion of sports. Are Production staff includes Adam schloss men, nor was was and George Brown.

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Deep Listening

Now For Tomorrow with Deepak Chopra

05:55 min | 2 months ago

Deep Listening

"Hello i'm deepak chopra and this is now for tomorrow. He collection of actions. You can do now during this time of disruption and crisis to make tomorrow better. Today i wanted to take a moment to expand your heart. Who deep listening all of us. Listen with only half our attention or even none at all. We are preoccupied with our own issues especially now in a crisis we are so used to people we see and speak with everyday that almost unconsciously we shut them out to some extent or other. Today's assignment is to sit down and really listen to someone in your life who you perhaps take for granted afield frustrated by maybe they are constant complainers narcissistic of blaming others for their problems. Your assignment is not to listen with your mind but with your heart in open. Non judgmental awareness. So how do you get to the point where you can really listen i. You need to be centered. This is the state where your mind is in. Peoria bide of focused on externals. You feel calm and quiet inside. Don't try deep listening without being centered. Because in a minute or two your mind will start to wonder center yourself before you engage in conversation by sitting with ice closed. Lacing your attention in the middle of your chest and taking a few measured deep reds imagine talking to the person you have selected if you have a negative expectation take a little more time to send your yourself until the prospect seems more pleasant second when you sit down to listen. Make eye contact and smile. These are important signals in communication. Don't force these gestures the d. to come naturally so you probably shouldn't pick someone to listen to who truly annoys if necessary practice with a friend or family member. You feel comfortable with third. Don't be a massive list. Now make comments along the way to show that you're engaged. I don't mean jumping in with your opinions which we are all tempted to do instead simply give verbal signals. That show you care like i understand. I see or you're right. Also ask questions about what they share. Finally don't go beyond your limits. This is indonesia's is in martyrdom. You don't need to be pinned to your chair while internally begging to run away deep listening when it comes from the heart is in just to unburden someone else. The benefit is equally for you. It connects you to your non-judgmental south as well. It comes by realizing that you don't need to reject ignore adjudge against this deep listening allows you to relax and shift your perception now. Feeling start to emerge an important one is thirty as you. Listen you begin to see where the other person is coming from and heart to heart connection begins to form. This is what empathy feels like feeling the other person without being anxious dense threated. There are many times when deep listening brings comfort and solace. When people are in trouble they need to reach out and feel heard they want contact and comfort deep listening offers. All of these things. Older people often feel lonely and ignored yet on the inside Just as interesting as when they were younger. They had things to communicate and share. If given the chance deep listening takes patience especially at first when someone who has been suddenly ignored received some attention. They likely to go overboard. But this isn't a one time. Exercise comeback to listen again and the other person would be more relaxed and less likely to dominate the conversation. Even if they do go a little overboard you will find that being attention. Leads to a sense of bonding that you will come to enjoy betty much just to witness the welcome you receive will be heart warming now that you see how deep listening works and the good that comes from you can decide to become a deep listener all the time that it is no longer a question of being kind and generous. You learn to deep listening that empathy and compassion a hidden values in yourself. A loving compassionate shouldn't be exceptional. It should be the normal state of awareness. So deep listening is actually a form of self healing. Give it a try and you will see the difference. It makes the actual bre still now for tomorrow is produced by jesse baker and eric. News of magnificent. Noise for religion of sports are production. Staff includes adam schloss men nor was was and george brown.

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Der Heidelberg und Schwetzingen Reise-Podcast von Peter von Stamm

Peter's Reiseblog und Tourismus Podcast

31:29 min | 3 months ago

Der Heidelberg und Schwetzingen Reise-Podcast von Peter von Stamm

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022. Where Eagles Dare (1968)

SpyHards Podcast

1:13:25 hr | Last month

022. Where Eagles Dare (1968)

"Welcome to spy hearts podcast where your hosts go deep undercover into the world of spy movies to decipher. Which films make the noc list but remember this information is strictly for your is only. I'm eighteen scope and i'm cam. The provocateur also known as pretty alpine. Rose it's funny. You say that. Michael sign is danny boy. Broad sword danny boy bribes. Sorta danny boy. Yeah that's the one takeaway from this film. Speaking of this film cowboy. Are we doing this week. Yes we are here to talk about. The ah nine thousand nine hundred sixty eight kind of one thousand nine hundred sixty nine world war two military spy adventure film where eagles dare. That was a little like descriptive words. For how this film is like spy. Film warfield your as venture a character. Drama romantic comedy. It has it all folks. it hasn't all it's a one. Stop cinemascope. Let's right body horror. One gets hit with a paintball gun at one. Point is crazy it. Has it all folks. This is like contemplative science fiction everything right well. Let's get out an ops sits out of the way Usually statistics with oda films is quite punchy right. But let's find out where eagles day one weekend major smith lieutenant. Shaffer and a beautiful blonde named mary decided to win To wobble to is raging on an american general has been catch it and is being held hostage in schloss adler Very and castle. that's nearly impossible to breach. It's up to a group of skilled allied soldiers to liberate the general before it's too late. Yeah i like it. It's to the point. I i liked a little bit of detail in there. Let's say that's a. I think a minus for me really. It's a little bit of a winding road. I quite like the first mobile that's enough for backup a dvd box at me. Sometimes the joy is the winding road. Scott and there was plenty of winding roads in this film. I mean what the guys weren't here is me butchering schloss. Atlas three times. When i was trying to go this. That's also i'm going to Keep those actually the actual Get ready. Because i've actually got the actual name of the place and it's even longer yours going to really annoy all the residents of schloss adler i. I am going to apologize to our german speaking and australian friends ahead of time. Maybe just apologize to all the listeners period. You're right it's twenty twenty one. It's a nearly for us. I apologize wholeheartedly. Unreservedly for basically everything i've ever done. That's right well. I hadn't seen this film as seems to be the story. Most weeks cam but Had you seen this film until i had actually. I'm so back maybe. Eight to ten years ago. I went on a whole run of watching classic world. War two movies with a focus on a lot of the big star studded man on a mission tight movies so i watched you know the great escape bridge on the river. Kwai bridge too far Just a whole heap of them even like some lesser ones like Battle of the ball or bridget. Remagen or i'm butchering that one. Now so i apologize the people of megan or religion or whatever. The pronunciation is but anyways it's roman. Is it rome again. Well there you have it. I had guests are okay. So we got three pronounciation one of them's right anyways I went through this whole streak. Them and where eagles dare fell into that pack and at the time i did enjoy the movie but i think it was hurt by watching it in close proximity to. I don't know some of the greatest adventure films of all time. Like great escape or even the dirty dozen for that matter and so i think my takeaway was like i was fine but that wasn't as good as you know the alzheimer's like bridge on the river. Kwai which is navy a little unfair to the movie But i think You know revisiting it was. I think very helpful i think in a lot of ways for sir. So what you're saying. Is you suffer from that. So of a net flicks binge-watch fatigue way. You could forget what you've seen. Yes that was kind of the case where i was watching so many the mad at time that they did kind of blend together. This one stood out because of you know the presence of clint eastwood but Yeah it just. I think also i mean i think i started with the great escape and the great escape is just an amazing movie. I recommend the criterion edition to anyone. Anyone out there that loves movies but e kind of go from the best to the rest in. You're like oh okay you know so. It's kind of like starting with. I don't know the dark knight and then going back and watching some of the older batmans and being like well. I mean it's not the dark knight that was kind of the case for me watching some of those war films. Stop lamping on batman forever. There's a classic case. Although i would never compare where eagles dare to batman forever. That would be cruel thing anyone's ever made that comparison so you had a hit us now okay well. Do you have any opinion on it when you sort they know. Is it just kind of just dissipated in your memory. Basically just enjoyed it overall but it didn't hit the heights of the other ones like it just was like. Oh that was. That was a fun movie. Moving on that was kind of the case. I am curious. Had you ever heard of it before. I hadn't heard of it which actually is surprising because it feels like the kind of film that would play on bbc two or it for those who on british people. Those laws of terrestrial channels. Everyone gets for free here. The overseas comparisons all basically like just play. They play movies during the day. older films and this is the kind of film that will get played during the of the week or a saturday night movie or something like that because i probably have seen bits of it but i have no actual connection to it whatsoever so you weren't You know doing 'cause plays the characters in this movie at any point in your life. I am currently wearing a white ski jacket but Let's just winters in london volume and of course. Of course i. Of course you know we start will of our recordings off with brought sorta danny boy and then you never reply. I think i think we will be from now on. It's way more interesting but you overweight. I had absolutely nothing going into this. Which i think may have helped me appreciate more aggressive. What you went through obviously but can be interested to know little bit about how this film came to be. Yes so the story in this movie really begins with children's scott. It's all about the children. They all the future. Now i blanking saugus was gonna follow it up and i got nothing clever to say. Teach them the way and let them lead the way. I don't know. I can't remember what it is all the way. Sure okay. anyways. Richard burton at the time. Very prominent actor amazing actor one of the greats of his time of stage and screen. He'd had a bit of a rough patch. You a few bombs in a row and he didn't really know what to do with his career but he said his his children were desperate to see their dad in a good old fashioned adventure movie. Because you richard burton's making movies like You know who's afraid of virginia woolf Not the best family fair. I suppose and so they really want to see their dad like a cool action movie. And so richard burton really. That's not his world all at this point so he went to producer elliott kastner for ideas and kastner was like i don't know so he turned to novelist. Alistair maclean now. Mccain was a novelist who cranked out action novels that were being adapted into movies like crazy. He wrote guns of navarine the novel. He wrote ice station zebra. And so like this was a guy who at the time was kind of like the kind of like the michael crichton were. All of his novels were being snapped up for movies. Had you ever heard of alistair maclean. I had note. I had heard of his son. Obviously in which mclean is that scott. John maclean obviously clearly. I hadn't heard of alastair mcclean by name. But i am quite familiar with guns of navarine in particular as that film rings a bell to me but again it's one of those ones. I've probably seen bits but have no actual memory of. Yeah it's with gregory pack. It's a really cool adventure movie and it was a favourite of richard burton as well. That's the kind of movie. He was looking at When he kind of got this idea from his kids and so Alastair maclean was a scottish author He didn't have any other novels really available. They'd all been snapped up. The rights. were all bought up studios. And so elliott kastner said to mclane. Why don't you writing original screenplay for us and alison maclean was like okay. I guess in so. He wrote where eagles dare. And the term where eagles dare is taken from a line in richard the third from shakespeare's famous play. Which i'm sure. Richard burton cackled over to no end and clint eastwood didn't pick up on. I had to do my better half what shakespeare play it was from. I didn't know some shakes had no memory other than that. I have richard Written down i couldn't tell you any more about the quite the right and so. They hired brian g hutton to direct the film and i was a little confused because brian haydn is not a particularly well known director at all. And when you look at a lot of the big star studded war movies of the time you've got directors john sturges. You know who's doing them. Who's one of the great talents. So i kind of curious how this guy got brought into this. He had made a movie for the producers soul madrid that i think may actually Work on this podcast at some point. Maybe if we ever want to tackle the oeuvre of brian g hutton. But he had worked. As i said for the producers they brought him into this and also brian g who was also an actor and he had acted in an episode of rawhide with clint eastwood in nineteen sixty one. That's a connection right there that's right. Imdb yields great gold if you dig deep enough and absolute trash very true now. Clint eastwood was kind of in a curious spot. He was coming off of the sergio leone western series. He'd also done a couple of movies kucan's blah and hanging high and of course had many years on rawhide but he wasn't quite the movie star we think of when we talk about clint eastwood he was still at that kind of. I'm on the verge of exploding. But i'm just trying to take my steps carefully to you. Know get to that next level and so. He was kind of reluctant to do this movie because he would get second billing which. I'm sure at the time agents. Were saying you gotta be the star especially after starring in cubans bluff hang high but nonetheless. He agreed to sign on after they gave him. Eight hundred thousand dollars Yes old slip them. The positive money trick. Yeah exactly and so like. The production was pretty rough. They shot in austria. It was very taxing. Filming was frequently delayed. There was a lot of blizzards sub-zero temperatures and potential for avalanches and so it was not the greatest location. I don't know if it's up there with steven spielberg shooting on water. You know filming but it doesn't sound like it was the most fun shoot of all time. Well we potentially have good time to release this episode. Because this movie makes you feel cold. Yeah does strange. How the identity. It must be cinematography thing. But i genuinely felt chilly. Oh i thought you meant from all the violence maybe feel emotionally cold dead inside that worry. Another thing worth pointing out about production to is that fame stuntman. Euchema kanoute was hired to design direct the action sequences and this guy was a big deal. He had worked on the chariot race. In ben hur and also worked on the battle scenes spartacus so this really was bringing in the best of the best to put together their actions and i do think it's fairly evident in the film. There was so much dangerous stunt work in fact on this movie that richard burton and clint eastwood referred to it. As where doubles dare because their stunt doubles did most of the movie. I what i talked about so until we get bosses bit but like i watched a blue version of it like a high definition version. I never started many shots. Where as i clearly double. That's clearly a double. i appreciate. It was a guy in a blond wig at one point. There is a point where i was looking directly at the faces of the two protagonists. And i'm like trying to figure out which one is supposed to be. Yeah i could say that. I could see that. Yeah and so the budget this movie. The numbers tend to vary online. It seems to fall between six eight million dollars and domestically it did seven point one and overseas did a little bit more than that for a total of i've about fifteen point seven million which translates to about one hundred and eight million here Nowadays in twenty twenty one so You know it was a reasonable sized it. Just it cost quite a bit of money. Yeah you can see that on the screen. It's all over the screen. And i set up front at the start of this podcast that this movie is a nineteen sixty eight film. Maybe nineteen sixty nine film. The thing is if you look anywhere online. It's listed in nineteen sixty eight film but that's really only because it opened in december twenty first nineteen sixty eight in japan but then opened the rest of the world in nineteen sixty nine so i believe in the uk it was january and in the us and canada it would have opened in march. So it's more of a nine hundred and sixty nine film than a sixty eight film. Is this going to be one of our accidental surprises where we released episode on the exact date of film k now. That would be amazing. We'll find out. I suppose so. The movie landed in the domestic box office at number twenty right between the bob. Fosse shirley maclaine musical sweet charity in another film called alice's restaurant that i've never heard of. I'm sure you're very familiar with alice's restaurant right on there right now. Perfect the top three for this year you had number one was butch cassidy and the sundance kid number. Two was the disney film. The love bug number three was midnight cowboy and i just want to make a note to that number four was easy rider and i think when you look at least three of those excluding the love bug you see the way. Hollywood is going like we are going into that. Seventy s era of more character driven gritty filmmaking. And that's why. I find eagles dare kind of fascinating because it does feel a little bit like a relic of that sixties period. Just kind of landing at that crossover into seventies film yet again. I'm so for shining things. I'm gonna site but this film reminds me law of true lies Just in the sense that it's kind of a relic of the era as it's leaving that period. Yeah you can definitely feel that sort of coming from movies. That are almost a decade old of things like the craze of these big epic war. Movies it wasn't like a long long long term thing kind of fell between ten or fifteen years but it feels like this is kind of landing near the end. There's more to come. But i feel like the ones in the future. They don't have the level of prestige or budget attached to them. That this one does they still make the now. Of course yeah. They had a big revival though in the wake of saving private ryan for sure. Yeah that makes sense. I know like in in the uk at least films like this war films. Were again films that got played lot on on uk television. I'm just genuinely surprised. Unethical some other movies that appeared on the top hundred of that year number eleven. You had on her majesty's secret service. Of course george lazenby entry in the bond canon. Yes and a number twenty two. You had the hitchcock film topaz a movie. I can't wait for us to tackle on this podcast at one day in the future. And i can't tell if that's a good or a bad thing you'll find out who a couple other little notes on this one just off the box office performance. This is steven spielberg's all time favorite war he says which i think is fascinating I would have thought he'd be drawn more towards a bridge on the river. Kwai or something like that. But that's the quote that's interesting actually. I've got a pin in that and come back to lay because there's a wanna talk on and that might connect to it. Yeah i have a note on that as well so i just thought that was interesting. I'm as for richard burton. This would be his last box office. Hit going forward. He would do some respected work for sure but he would never again really hit the heights of being sort of the box office leading men that this movie marked the end of the passing of the torch going on because clint eastwood pass. This movie becomes a phenomenon and richard burton. Settles into you. Know very respected character. parts He does try again to do this. Sort of thing in the future He did a movie. Called raid on rommel as well as another week called wild geese that were these sort of world war two at films. Neither one of them did very well But clint eastwood going forward. You know the sky was the limit for clint eastwood. He would follow this movie up with a musical called paint. Your wagon and that movie would become a phenomenon. Oh i thought you going a joke. I've never heard of it. Oh it's no joke like paint your wagon which is a western musical It was a massive deal with the the lee marvin. I think i was literally about to put my slack jawed cowboy accent on when you mentioned the name of that film and apparently a really good film so i want to. I wouldn't take the piss now. I didn't say good but it was popular. Oh okay i mean to be fair. I haven't seen it since. I was a kid. Maybe it's great. I don't know. I just don't wanna come down on one side of the other then. Saddle up boy. Let's go. yeah so that wraps up the box office and the production for where eagles dare boom well. Let's get right into the meat. Then cam you've seen this film so we'll take a scale with what i think because i'm way more important of course of course I've really liked this film. Yeah yeah and i i. I'm not a big war film guy. I'd have to be pretty damn good to get my attention. So the saving private ryan of the wealth things like that bright. But this film. I i have some. I have some remarks about my feelings on some of the issues with the film but overall two and a half hours which might be there with all our longest films so far. I think it is yeah. I didn't fill two and a half hours. It moves doesn't especially once you get past the build up at the start of the movie like once they get into that enemy territory it. That movie moves. Yeah it's it's quick and yet you think someone like Lieutenant schaffer clint eastwood's character. He's slow as anything. He just mumbled his wife for a sentence every so often when he feels like it. There was a little bit. I read where it said that. Clint eastwood actually ask them to take dialogue away from him because he just wanted to play more strong and silent which was a strength of his in the leoni westerns. And so. Richard burton handled most of the dialogue for the movie. I think it works so That's my clint eastwood acting. How did it do very good very good applause applause. You throwing roses. I was. I was gonna hope for panties but okay roses. They'll take their pretty alpine roses. Yes nicely tidying. Well done this. I've really enjoyed it. I just think it moved really fast. And it was interesting and the characters quite interesting as well. Everyone felt mostly fleshed out. What about you. What did you think okay so i sat down and i watched this movie actually quite late last night Irresponsibly late really. I don't know why started so late but this movie is deeply silly and i enjoyed almost every minute of it. Like if you're going to compare it to the serious war films of the era it does not. It doesn't even occupy the same territory. This movie is bananas. it's crazy at. I just had an absolute blast is a triumph of stunt work and just pyrotechnics. I think everything explodes in this movie. Everything yeah this. An interesting explosions. Along the way for sure and there was a point where i was sitting there in the first chunk of it going like. Was this a poor. Pick for this podcast like. Is there much spycraft going on whatsoever. And then they pull out a magical trip across. We can go into the episode. Where i'm like. Oh my god. This is so perfect that it was just like action extravaganza. True lies is a good movie to compare it to. I think and that it does wear the clothing of spy movie in a lot of ways. But it's also just in many ways and An excuse to stage grand scale action on the biggest possible scale possible and at that. It's incredibly effective. It's actually kinda surprising. Brian g hutton. Didn't really go on to do any other like big big action movies. I know he did another. Clint eastwood world war. Two of the called. Kelly's heroes that i haven't seen so maybe there's some of that there but you would have thought maybe coming off of this movie. It would have been a bigger deal for him. I just wonder if it was that you know. Entering into that. Hollywood era where these types of movies weren't really popular anymore and so he was kinda lost in that autour world of the copa lesson scorsese's and all that but nonetheless like i thought the movie was directed really really efficiently and i just had an absolute blast. It i think of the movies we've talked about on this podcast. There's lots that are better but this is up there with one of the most fun ones. We've watched i think yeah. I think it's right up there with cloak and dagger i say. Obviously yeah yeah yeah. Yeah no jokes. Aside very enjoyable film. I liked the characters. I also like the characters written well enough to i understood. People were bad guys and good guys. Oh there's no simplicity whatsoever like this is not subtle anything. It's doing nothing. Yeah it hits you over the head with most things. But i'm going to pull out one of my reservation calls at this point okay. I had to watch it twice to get to grips with the double and triple crosses. I completely understand why yeah did you. Did you struggle with until i did. Yeah and i think it's very telling that they have clint eastwood. Actually say how confused he is by. What's going on. Because i think the audience was probably in the same boat. I was definitely a lieutenant. Shaffer throughout this film to staring blankly getting angry. That's basically what i do. When i costs with the but yeah i i. It's not like i wasn't following it. Because it seems to be a running trained in our episodes the the the more complex ones. I get confused by which is in the diamond on the writers or indictment on me and i'm gonna leave it to listeners. A high to decide which one that is. Maybe that's an indictment on the genre though because you know he's tackling these spy movies and it is interesting. How many of these spy movies genuinely tried to baffle. You and i mean look you and i were watching these movies. We're taking notes in the cases where we maybe are a little confused or reading a wikipedia synopsis. Or something just to get it. All layered out the podcast. We are putting in the effort to make sense of all the plots so we can talk about them on the show. I would say the average person is not doing that at all. So i would actually say a lot of these. Movies are written in a way where they're going to confound the general audience who's just going in for friday night eating popcorn watching the movie in the not thinking about walking out the door. I this film certainly has elements for those people because it is an action film at the same time. Oh one hundred percent. I mean i was actually surprised. How talking the triple cross aspects. God just because the movie leading up to that would not have prepared me for it but you think of something like funeral in berlin for instance and will be covering the next film up in the harry potter series quite soon. That film has lots of double crosses in remarks when we talk about the episodes that it does pay off if you pay attention to the film. I paid attention to this film. And i still feel like i missed things. Well i guess we're yeah. We'll dive into the triple cross now because there's no way around it really And we can get onto the. That was cool. That was awesome kind of stuff later on but so the setup is the richard burton character. Major smith goes in and he's going to lead a team of guys they've gone in to reclaim. This captured a british general. George carnegie and that's the concept but at a certain point richard burton in front of a room of all of the s s and the top leaders turns his gun on eastwood and reveals himself to be johann schmidt. Which i'm pretty sure is the name of the red skull and captain america comics actually. Do i definitely rings a bell in my head. Yeah and i think it's probably because it's generic john smith german version of that. But i'm excited the red skull generic name yeah but nonetheless. He reveals himself to be this german agent and he's basically exposing all of the the british slash american plan mostly british plan to the germans. And then he does a triple cross where he's now had them. Reveal the names of agents that are undercover working with the british that he can then expose and now he's back to being major smith again and all of this is done in a very theatrical performance by richard bird where he really does take center stage and just spout exposition for like eight minutes straight or something like that and the tables get turned over and over and it's very difficult to keep track of participants and all the names. He's throwing around. You'd agree with that. Yes certainly because you lose the three british soldiers of agents. I should say he turn out to be double agents about half now into the film because they get arrested so you know even really used to their faces. Yeah and i totally forgotten all of this. When i watched this movie last night and i had a note where i just referred to the the ones that were captured as the disposable five like i think three of them are captured. Two of them were killed but like referred to disposable five. Because i'm like these people have no personality whatsoever. Like i don't even know who they are. The movies all about richard burton and clint eastwood. And then you realize no they actually ty in as a plot device more so than characters and this scene is really selling why these guys were so quiet throughout the movie. And they're all turncoats. They're all basically working against the british interests. And i once they saw spelled that bit out and especially in the same right at the end of the film where they unmask. The main turncoat is colonel. Turner and then richard buttons catch so of tells you exactly what he did but it doesn't feel like you know when you see a magic show and they they kind of tell you how it happened. All kind of the mosque off before oh going to see a few. Yeah and you kind of feel satisfied with nine one happened. This didn't really satisfy me that much. Well it was so confusing. I think a lot of it used to take on faith. That richard burton knows what he's talking about bone and i mean the thing is this movie is very simplistic in its storytelling in a lot of ways You know the character setups are very simple. The plan is very simple but then they throw in this here. And it's there's no. It's not a movie like the six cents for when you find out the twist you go back and you go. Oh yeah you can really track that throat. The movie everything that said in this room you can go back and re watch this movie. None of the lead up to that scene would really give off vibes that This is what's going on with. You agree with that having watched it twice. Yeah i would agree with that. Because when i went back to the second time i paid special attention to the briefing at the beginning of the movie and i thought maybe 'cause i know one is the defectors Questions their orders but radio hit questions. A quite astute questions like why are we going on his suicide mission. Yeah will they have absolutely no personality whatsoever the disposable five and they barely even have dialogue and so they really are just like there for a plot mechanic as opposed actual characters. Exactly the closest we have to to that has some sort of a personality is the aforementioned cuddle turn because he saw popping in and out of the film. Even then you i. When you find that at the end i actually wrote down because my my my notes so if for my thought process is like our film and i look back in my third note was am. I supposed to be suspicious of colonel turner. Oh interesting. I didn't pick up on colonel. Turner being potential Embedded german agent in this film at all. well he just had that That were stench out. You know what. I actually did make a note that i was like. Does this guy get off award. Because he's the closest. I can find absolutely i mean. Did you see his lips. Wet at the end of the film i did. I did i. And i mean there's a great reveal their where he's got a gun trained on them in there like oh we already knew. There's no The firing pin on gun doesn't work with it's like okay. Perfect it's a great. It's a classic trump misuse of the things. I saw it recently. When i watched casino. Royale right Star of the film. I love that little trick. I didn't see that coming to be fat. I thought he actually did have them up against As a gun out of aside health certain just like tap him inside. But now i have a question. Because we've talked about this triple cross. Richard burton's character does and that it is somewhat confusing and that there's not a lot of ground laid for this reveal. Does it matter. I suppose it matters if your one of these people. I suppose like us but that we make for cost we all critical. If you want people to go see films to have a a a to have a complete story laid out in front. If you make sense and critically analyzes the film that you go to see but i know a genuinely represents me most of the time i go to cinema most of the time just to be astounded by the spectacle and enjoy a story so i think on that level on that base level it achieves its goal. But if you did unfortunately it's also a veneer if you dig any deeper than that. It's for me it's tough because it is such a meat and potatoes action movie like it's not trying to be sophisticated at all. You know other examples of this genre would try for more sophistication. This one is a full blown just pyrotechnic or and a lot of the spycraft stopped there. Mostly as set dressing the way it is in some of the more superhero like james bond films but like you are right like a lot of is given in these scenes with with richard burton explaining. What's going on that. I wish i could have tracked it more throughout the movie. But then like the movie is also not particularly committing to it in terms of the overall scope of the film anyway. The movie is saying we're an adventure film. We're an action film. This sort of thing is more just to kind of make the audience go wait. What exactly and one thing. I know down in my notes was a lot of films have to sort of in they write these characters in doesn't know anything about the world they're going into and so you the audience is supposed to see the world through their eyes and they will ask questions of audience once asked for them and i suppose that's meant to be lieutenant schaefer character. He is very much. I think the audience because there's another character played by mary your Who shows up as a blonde agent and that had me a little confused at the start to because you had them landing in the the frozen austria and the guys all go to a cabin. Richard burton ducks out and this character. Mary ellison is waiting for him. Basically in like the barn or something and we get the sense. She's occupying independently of the mission as well with earn. And so upfront there. I'm going like wait. What is burton doing. And so i guess there are red crumbs throat. Just in terms of the fact that richard burton's character as a lot going on that the other characters don't but i feel like we are the clint eastwood character. We are the ones kind of raising eyebrows scowling. And then when all is revealed going awesome fistfuls down a little bit because unlike most people i am of course a six foot chiseled american male so i can of course see myself as tenant shaffer but not. Everyone is clint eastwood. So i i think a lot of people have trouble putting themselves in this guy's shoes who is like the world's best commando out he's a stone cold killer this who i mean okay. It looks like we're going onto it but like apparently this guy has unlimited ammo on is invulnerable to grenades yes apparently when he grabs him reset suffused call of duty. I that that who wasting where. He's defending them in the in the room. And he's taking on like whole talion of german troops. I just felt like it just reminded me of like Shorts potter. yeah well like. He's standing there with machine gun imitating rambo Points racking up and he just keeps fired and then like i was waiting for Clint eastwood to grab chicken. The floor and fire from a bow and arrow or even. Just pick up a handful of bullets and just throw at the killed them all high score. That sequence is amazing. Because yeah it's the classic there's an entire battalion of germans with heavy machine-guns to that they're setting up unloading and hitting absolutely nothing and then him just like ducking out and getting down like ten at a time. It's incredible it's very star wars that. I'm glad you said that because that is the thing to get to. I go major stall was vibes from this film. You could totally see the george. Lucas probably would have been watching movies like this when he was coming up with the concepts of star wars. Absolutely you just think of like essentially in a new where you know hand and lucas fighting stormtroopers to try and get lay out of jail. Cell shooting down the corridor at them. I could see that scene. In those nazi. Troop is as stormtroopers Eastwood as handsome. Did you pick up that. They actually have a line that is repeated in both movies. I did not please repeat the lie. Okay so in the where. Eagles dare film When richard burton's in they're trying to get the radio stuff going and the the german soldiers all come in. Clint eastwood goes. We got company and star wars. It's at damn you know when han solo is. I believe it's on the death star win. Luke's trying to find laya In her cell and hans solo realizes the stormtroopers are coming. He yells luke we got company. Wow so it's very similar usage like you can say that that's kind of a generic line but the way it's used in both films is very very similar is not the line i thought you were gonna say. Oh thought use. The force is the one. I was thinking it was win over. One met darth vader in a new hope. And everyone walks up stuff eight and says a for your clothes. Oh classic of course. Why did i think of that. And he's just like right here. Yeah but yeah. I i know. It's the saw similarities. Which may be one of the reasons why i enjoyed the film or really is probably why enjoyed star walls but also on top of star wars george lucas and steven spielberg a pretty good friends. Pretty tight friends in life. And i got heavy indiana jones vibes off this movie as well. I mean there was sections. Where i was reminded a lot of the motorcycle. Stafa in indiana jones and the last crusade or even just like the truck chases in raiders lost ark like the way the action scenes are designed felt very indiana jones style. I agree. I mean the bit where they started. Swinging vines with the monkeys to get away from the left was a bit confusing. But i went with it. Richard burton called that the most undignified moment of his career. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. That actually does lead me onto something. The i wanna make a mention of and that is continuity much as i did lamp as the film. For maybe not giving you some breadcrumbs along the way or strong breadcrumbs. Large breadcrumbs should say One thing i did like is when they're escaping and major smith richard burton's character is is driving away in that school. Bus which is still think is a bit of a bizarre sight a tripping over the minds that he said yes the hey planned at the beginning of film and it was. I remember seeing eastwood setting up. The booby traps. And then saying richard button doing it in the street and just thinking why it looked especially weird because they were setting them up on the side of the road as opposed to you. Know the middle of the road where enemy vehicles to be going. So i was really scratching my head over that. I'm i did make a note to myself over this movie. That says a lot of trip. Wires invented them. Something all guys you gotta get this in the film trip wise it. It feels like it doesn't. Yeah not that i have a problem with. It was pretty cool. Oh it was very cool But yet just the way like the action is stations movie. It does feel kind of next level. Like i feel like a lot of the influence to be carried into these future movies and a lot of this setup stuff really does feel i wonder how much is looking at james bond honestly and just moved the raise. The bar for action. We're getting james bond movies at this point in trying to bring that to the war film as well because a lot of the action. There's lots of grand scale action in older war films for sure. I don't wanna say there isn't but the way this stuff is orchestrated. feels pretty. It works on a very modern level whereas a lot of older action doesn't as much. Yeah i would agree with that. I'm i did want to make sure we touch on the main characters a little bit before we wrap everything up. Now richard button. This is probably my first experience officially. Okay yeah. I may have of the films Springs to mind. This is the first film in my mind. I've sat down wash street. Is richard button film. You're not a big fan of exorcist to the heretic. Now i'm an xs full kind of guy fair enough fair enough. Richard button is cool. Yeah richard was just effortlessly cool in the sense of like he was planning his escape. I have a really broke a sweat in exactly what to do in every situation. He is the james bond off this phil and he was rumored to be a original james bond candidates so kind of makes a lotta sense to so around the doctor no time. Yeah yeah he was. I believe on their list. I can say he has that sort of stone. Cold look in his eyes to. You could totally by him as a professional assassin. Yeah it feels like even in the midst of a storm. He was a captain of a ship. He would just be cool calm and collected like a swan. I actually was really enjoying. Richard burton's who familiar with him just for a lot of his movies he made previous to this. He really was dramatic. Powerhouse of an actor never won an oscar. Actually probably should've have big shakespearean guys well. And i couldn't help but watch the scene of him and clint eastwood swing around in a motorcycle with richard burton in the side car on an icy road just like howling to myself thinking of richard burton one of the greatest thespians of his age shooting. This movie where he's know early on not talking a lot and just like bombing around the streets in a motorcycle running around with a machine gun and ultimately in this film having fistfights on top of gondolas at just laughing at the absurdity of it but also admiring that richard burton never winks at the camera. He owns this character. And i mean he. The reason moments like the big trip across work the reason that a lot of stuff with the reveal of turner at the end words is because richard burton when called upon to actually act just knocks it out of the park. You can tell his character. Major smith is a man of conviction and he. He dedicates himself to it and especially when he delivers that stuff at the end in the plane. I just you just yeah. He knew exactly what he was doing and he had this planned out. I would totally watch a prequel of this movie of him. Working with mary ellison on other missions in the past. Because i feel like how unfloppable he is throughout this movie. I would say the events of where eagles dare would turn most people's hair white if they wound up in the situation but returned. Burton's seems completely unfazed which makes me really question. What kind of missions. This guy run running the past a doug. Me side i mean. Would you ever jump onto not gondola. Not a chance. And i did enjoy just the the mental image of richard burton thespian actor leaping. Gondolas like that is hilarious. Do itself. I have great. I'd just like especially when they're coming back down in chasing the bad guys. And he's like having a fistfight as you say on top of the gondola with nothing. But a pickaxe is his friend. I i would. I would put my hands at that point. I mean this movie magic because we are watching. Not a physical actor really He's done some parts. I mean he is in cleopatra. So i think he may have had some battles stuff there. But he's not a guy known for this type of action and we're watching you know burton hanging on this gondola. I'm sure over matte paintings. Or what have you. And i mean it. All works seamlessly like the action and this is really well directed. That's why i'm just genuinely shocked that you know the director brian g hutton didn't go on to do more of this sort of stuff but just because it seems like he can stage it very. Well yeah when you said that. It was a surprise to me because it seems like he's quite capable of director. I i guess this wrong era man. He should have broken through in the early sixties. Maybe so. Clint eastwood gain another one of those actors. I've not seen much of his work. Because i just tend to stick into genres. He's never really been in Tend to watch the films personally but again he knocks out the pop yeah. I've watched a lot of clint eastwood movies. He that was another trend. I went on just watching. All of the clint eastwood movies could and this is definitely that early. Clint eastwood where he has that. Youthful kind of toughness about although. I don't know that. Clint eastwood is ever actually young. But he has that sort of that sort of usefulness and that vigor that later on he would become a little more of that dirty hairy little more like rigid tough whereas i like that he has a little bit that kind of that playful twinkle. Still going on in this movie. And i think it's a lot of fun to see. Even though his character does just mow people down by the hundreds. And i believe this does actually hold the record for most. Clint eastwood kills in a movie. I totally buy. If that's the case. I'm interested in what the body count is for this film. It just seems he's running up knifing people Doing these silenced assassinations with silenced pistol. Just like very james bond type. Kill sometimes and clint eastwood is so convincing. In every single instance of it. I mean in terms of connie's was affecting this remarked. I don't think he works very well. Is that viewpoint for the audience. Which i think is what he was meant to be. But as that sort of stone cold killer i believe it and you buy the bond between human burton really well for characters. That don't really talk to each other very much about anything like we really don't know that many traits about these guys whatsoever. They don't talk about their back stories. They don't talk about their personal lives and yet you buy the bromance of this movie. Yeah they're absolute brothers-in-arms. In that sense they respect each other's ranks and organizations they work for. I mean you can tell. The schaefer understands that major smith is his commanding officer. Oh totally but i love the moment. Were richard burton. Has the scale up the wall of the castle. The castle of the eagles. I believe it was known. And i'm watching. Richard burton scale this wall. And just kind of snickering to myself. Like i don't know about this but it's a lot of fun. It has that kind of Man vibe the nineteen sixties batman. You know where they're climbing the walls. Yeah absolutely but he gets up. And then mary alison says. Why aren't you gonna help up schaffer or you know. Help your friend. He's like no he can do it and i just think moments like that a lot of fun it shows the place while this of their relationship even like a scene where they're in a car accident together and they've got to push the car over the over the hill and webber with all the dead germans in it. It just seems like these two have come rodri- that just sewn into the movie and it just works instantly. It's like they talk about chemistry in movies and how it's this elusive quality. That when it when it happens it happens. And these two have a lot of chemistry They may have more chemistry between the two of them than richard. Burton does with the mary. You're leads us own quite well to mary. us character. Mary ellison a character. I think is actually really important and actually is very cool. Like for one thousand nine hundred sixties war movie to give this much heavy lifting to a female character where she is a very trained agent. Who's going undercover. She's infiltrating the castle. The eagles on her own track like it's not anything to do with what burton and eastward doing. She's doing it on her own. With the help of another agent. I found all of that stuff. Really cool and the fact. Is there scenes at the end of this movie with the actress. Just mowing down. Germans with a machine gun firing the back of a boss and i'm like this feels kind of ahead of its time for nine hundred sixty eight slash sixty nine. Yeah i mean. How bad ass does she look next. Clint eastwood machine guns out the back window. That's an excellent point. Actually is that. Not only she firing machine-guns. She's doing it standing right next to clint eastwood. Who is i mean. He may not be a huge star at this point but coming off of those. Sergio leone's westerns. He is an icon known as a man of action and to see her standing there holding her own ground. Firing these guys down just as well as him pretty cool. Yeah great and i. I don't know where we were in terms of representation with women in films. But i gotta believe that this is is pushing the limit a little bit. I mean i've watched a lot of these nineteen sixties war films and these adventure war films. I mean There's not a lot of very strong female leaders in any of them much less ones where the movies actually focusing on their own intelligence mission. She has a whole side plot Where she's kind of working this. Just stop o- agent name von haven known as the major as well on play by darin nesbitt where it's completely removed from anything going on with our main heroes and i was just as interested in what was going on with her work there than what burton and eastwood up to and as you said before you bought the she was her own spy on their own mission with our own objectives and they set up that you know her and burton are lovers in some way i guess they just have a lot in common with their jobs and what have worked together. I think for three years. she said but the romance is very secondary. It's not like she's there to be the romantic interest of the movie. She has her own stuff to do. And there's another female agent named heidi played by ingrid pitt. She's working with heidi a lot of the time which also really interesting to see a movie like this. So i really did enjoy that character because i mean i could see another movie making a very lazy attempt to throw in that character but this will be actually does the work to make her just as viable a member of the team as as the two leads. Yeah i mean. Don't get me wrong. It's still plenty of plenty of room to improve her character. Compared to the male leads scher just in terms of screen. Time and things like that but for where we are in time. I think a lot of screenwriters now could take. This is inspiration characters. I know right like you have this ongoing dialogue movies now. Where how do we really write these female action heroes and there's really good examples out there like ray in the star wars sequels. Or what have you but a lot of the times ongoing dialogue and it's like you know there are good examples it exists. We have done it right before. It's not rocket science. Yeah weather can you men in black series. Exactly perfect example. Yeah they have salary dawson and picked it up the wool. Like does that well to be fair. I think a lot of people in that particular point in time did that. It was not realizing what they had true. And now she's a tonic. That's right that's right so yeah like just in terms of the casting. I thought this really worked and actually. I don't know if you knew this but the actress mary. You're was actually married to robert shaw at the time. And of course. Robert shaw was the villain in from russia with love and he actually visited the set of this movie national. Choline kidding. yeah yeah. He came all the way to austria some commitment each. Just an upstanding guy scott unlike me. You wouldn't be flying austria. How on the rowing by subzero blizzards. I'm good about hidden on. I'm fine now. I would usually try and go through some more of the characters by phil. Once we get to the point of mary. you're right now. We spoke about patrick. Why mark is colonel. Turner aka or mauve already The top four build actors in this film off to that. I just feel like it's not really worth discussing. Yeah i mean there's your various german Mucketty mucks who are involved in plan They make decent visuals but they aren't characters in there actually wiped out far quicker than i realized they would be. These are the classic cartoon nazis. And what have you and german soldiers of world war two movies in the there's like no dimension they're just kind of sneering villains but i thought they were a lot of fun now scott. I want to talk to some of their action because this movie is primarily an action movie. And we've talked about the gun dole fight. I'm just curious if there was anything else. That really jumped out at you in this movie. 'cause lord knows there's a lot of action well. I remarked on the hallway battle scene between clinton eastwood and the rest of the nazi army That was a good one as gondolas. I think the escape on the bus at the end was quite interesting. That was really cool. Yeah and i mean. I'm glad you bring that one up. Because there's some shots of gps flipping in this movie. That looked incredible. Where you're looking at a jeep full of soldiers that suddenly flips and pancakes them. And you're like wow. I'm sure they used dummies. That's how it was done but it looks so convincing. Yeah this film has a bit of a passion for using mannequins I'm thinking of like the rope. Seen when that was a double crossing guys told to climb down rope and then get shot. That was an amazing moment where he like falls and we follow him and it's just a dummy bouncing off the sides of the castle and cliff and landing on the ground. I was like oh glorious. I love the old days where they threw dummies off cliffs. In what have you i. It's my favorite form of comedy. I love that sort of stuff is just makes me laugh and those scenes like you say with the cost flipping over. I mean not only what they well done and credit to the stunt coordinate isn't cinematography but also like you know that mannequins but you buy anyway right like you're on board to snow in that truck. I bought the truck. I loved the moment where they're in the car accident. And the dummy goes through the windshield. Yeah yeah it was pretty good. That's pretty good nanny. Any other thing in terms of like action scenes. I did law fat. I actually watched the making of documentary off. The i watched the film. It's it's towards the beginning of the film when they they've infiltrated the town but not the castle back in their white jackets. And i think they're about to make their way up to the costal right. Yeah okay when it when they when they blow things up in states over breakout nuts it. Yeah and major. Smith is hiding in a bush and then a german soldier so season and you see him to shoot his silence pissed off at the guy hits him in the neck. Do you remember. That wasn't that schaefer. I'm pretty sure that was. Shaffer wasn't shaef. I'll take you if his schaefer That's fine one or the other but yeah why love that is like the explosion. Blood effect they used on. My copy was so clear what they did and then actually referenced it in the making of documentary was a paintball gun. So they who they were. Shooting this stunt actor he was playing a nazi at point blank range with paintball gun and they did it like ten times. Oh my god that would really hurt. Yeah because this literally right on the neck both play paintball before so. We know that stuff can be painful. Oh yeah i mean. There's a lot of violence shootings in this movie. It's pretty crazy that it's like a pg rated movie as it it would've been back in the day. Yeah they didn't have a pg thirteen at that point in time it would have been pg. Yeah okay but yeah. I've i mean the. I think the bus. The bus extraction cool. That was probably the next best thing to the out in the hallway for me just saying all of our main characters during the job i know Opango for the setting up of the dynamite beginning of the film which is great to see everything explodes in this movie everything. It's amazing. i was waiting for an off the crime scene where the planes fly away and just blows up as well. I i was hoping at the end of may you know give colonel turner the option of going back to britain standing trial and being hung or jumping out of the plane without a parachute. I was hoping that it would show him jumping out of the plane and then exploding partway down. That would be good. I would avoid that point. Thank you tune off. How's it just become like okay. Show whatever it properly is great. I but that actually led me onto one of my final notes written down. was that the most british suicide. You've ever seen pretty british isn't it. Yeah excuse me gentleman. I have to jump out of this plane with a parachute. Oh yeah. I was actually kinda surprised. They didn't show him actually jump out do you him. It's mostly just from clint eastwood's point of view of just acknowledging. He's gone okay. But i i mean i suppose maybe you just couldn't you could allude to it but you could show it. I don't know in a movie that will show you every single death possible. I thought it was odd to be so respectful in this moment Yeah see chain gun down. Who gives them monkeys but british colony. Oh let's let's look away. Everyone avert our eyes. I had a couple of notes as well The lieutenant nurse. Who's brought in to administer. I guess truth serums to carnegie. She reminded me a lot of rosa over. That's no. I d write something down about but that's not who i thought it was but then i i thought about is probably based on broza clip. Okay who i cover named it lady. But she's from the austin powers films. Oh yes yeah for business. Totally based on rosa club. Yeah so i guess. We ended up at the same point. Yeah she just needed an eye patch in my book. I thought she was pretty amazing. She doesn't have a lot to do in the movie. But i would have liked to have seen more because as a visual. She was very effective. I mean the sinkhole when she has colonel tana's love child is probably not worth watching. I don't wanna watch the movie. What's it called the movie. Yeah the sequel to wear eagles dead where eagles are born way. Eagles tarrant derrick. Okay yeah even the word. It is now a ryan films. Where is the movie about their lovechild because my title makes sense. That's the case. I don't know darin is more like look away. Look away. I would want to say the love child as fair enough i mean. Did you wanna say dr evil have no yeah no yeah no. I'm good Couple other notes. I had ron goodwin's score for this movie is really infectious. Just the drumbeat is really effective. I don't know that it's the most imaginative score possible but it's a very effective one. Nah i'm sure he's. He's not ripped off a lovingly borrowed from several military near marching tracks. They've used in the past but it propels the film i. It does because. I was thinking about the score. And i wrote down. It reminded me a lot of monty python and the holy grail. Okay which. I don't that if it was made by the same Person be but there's a lot of like drums and trumpets but then the kind of military thing as well. yeah Look it up. And just lastly i want to say why has there not been a video game based on this movie when we talk about some of the great. You know bond potential for video game. They not made a game based on. This movie is basically set up like a video game. Yeah you could definitely see yourself. Probably playing clint eastwood's character and just gunning down tons and tons of nazis. But then again. I suppose we did that wolfenstein But is it ever enough scott. I'm sure the call of duty games probably did this sort of thing as well. I'm sure there's no shortage of military action games set in world war two now. They're always looking for story bits but to buffet. It's interesting you say that because one of the things. I know it down was in the modern warfare to mission cliffhanger basically the beginning of the mission. You're climbing up in ice face You're only using those pick axes they using this fill. Oh on this amendment. Why like you drop down. You have to like use it like you have to use your controller to frozen pick into the into the save yourself and then climb yourself up slowly and infiltrating a layer in everything in that level. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd taken stuff from this movie for that level. Yeah i mean. I feel like this is a movie that probably played on. Tv a lot in the seventies and eighties. Here in north america. at least and I'm sure it's had some influence for sure. I mean i just mentioned star wars. Are they on so did you. And that was my last note was. I could definitely see vibes of like inglorious boston ads in his appeal to see a band of brothers. Did you ever cash shot yup for sure because there is a level where they actually infiltrate I think yet eagles nestle sunday. They do the same thing. Yup eagle's nest up remember for once they identify identified the same causal they use but they do the whole like going to a nazi causal and taking over. Yeah so i mean. This movie's definitely. I think had some influence for sure so my last question before we get to the noc list can is for you. Of course d think this film could be improved by making it a bit more realistic. No no i don't think so. I think the cartoonish level of the violence and the insanity in the action is necessary. For what makes this movie as fun as you think if i did too in half out film with a bit more talking a bit less shooting. dull. I don't think it's where eagles there. I think this movie is what it is while. What would you at least coal your mobile version of this film where eagles cautiously proceed. And no one wants to see that movie. I dare it even see it. Okay cam i think we've arrived. Destination does way eagles day. Make the noc list Now this is a case. Where if the noc list was about deciding. The great man on a mission world war two movies. I don't know that it would. It might like it's better than than a number of them. But i don't know that it's it's not top tier like dirty dozen or something but like when we're talking about world war two spy action movies. It's pretty unique in that regard. I think it's very very good. Like i really enjoyed it a lot. I think people should check it out. I think i'm gonna come down on a boy. I think i'm gonna give this one a yes because i don't know that there's anything like it on the list of things for us to cover and i think it's a really insanely fun. World war two spy action movie like. I don't know that there's another case of that. That i could really champion and i think is fantastic Case of it. So i'm going to say yes what you i'm. I was worried about what your aunt would be at because my answer is different. Okay what's your answer. So my answer is tentatively note. But here's why. I'm happy to debate but just i mean just looking at your points firstly just because there isn't any other examples of this film doesn't mean it should get ause that's true. I think we have already said that. The spy elements of this film. Whilst good are little bit convoluted and a little bit. Hard to fuller they are. But what about. Richard burton as an actual agent like so much of it is driven from him being ahead of the enemies and everything like we're seeing a guy who's an incredibly effective spy at work. Which is where my tentative feedings. Come from because. I genuinely by britain's character i think we let true lies onto this list. Yeah so if we're gonna let wacky action films that have spiked elements in. I guess that we have to let this one into it. Kind of sounds like i'm convincing myself into saying yes and to be fair. A lot of the james bond movies are also wacky action movies. That have spy is very true. Looking for instance more voice down the line but in terms of where eagles day you're right there isn't anything like it but no gonna use that to push me. Can you give me anything else. Trying get me over the line. What about a character like mary. Allison who a lot of movies about her own mission. We're actually getting to see side. Missions evolving her and the heidi agent is well and the things they're up to like. There is a lot of espionage going on in this movie like it. It isn't actually but it is fairly heavy in espionage stuff just not it's just not portrayed flashy the way that the action is the thing that intrinsic thing i talk about it with. This film. Is that generally when i'm done with these films. Make the noc list if someone went to stick me in a cinema. unlike is open liking clockwork orange. Didn't you sell type and put all of those nucleus films on. I wouldn't really mon. My trouble is i. Don't know if. I want to sit for another two off after this film. I don't know like to me. This is such an effectively directed action film that delivers exactly what it promises like. It's not trying to be anything other than exactly what it gives you and it does it so phenomenally. Well that's where. I struggle more so okay. I have a question for you. I think you'll onset will probably sway me. Okay when you're showing not close to your kids and yeah the work the nautilus ryan and where he was dead isn't on the list are you. You kicking yourself in in twenty twentieth time probably not. I don't know that that would be like my great regret in life or anything like that. But i would wonder if we missed the ball on that one a little bit or something like it. Would i feel like over the course of the nautilus. We're going have far more choices. I mean bourne. Identity i think was pretty controversial for a lot of people Bourne ultimatum Might have been a little controversial as well actually So then it's like. But i don't know we have a dividing line where we're now kind of tackling where it's like true lies makes it in You know some of these born movies. Like what justifies. A true lies over eight. Where eagles dare when you when you let you just make that argument where eagles dare is a yes. Yeah but i'm also thinking of other problems. I have with the film. I like to sit through true lies again. I don't know if i sit for this film again. By think i said to you your answer to the question will so push me away and you said ultimately you would have some problems so i'm going to go with. Yes i mean if you wanna stick with your no remember to like a We can keep it divided. Just doesn't make it on. Because the thing is i like i espoused. The beginning of this podcast. The amount i enjoyed this film. And i didn't do this film. I just think maybe. I wouldn't wanna watch again. But maybe that's not an indictment on the film. Maybe that's an indictment on me is viewer so i think i'm gonna go with it. Yes because i do recognize the the spy work in film mercy tremendous if a bit convoluted but the execution by the is great. So i think it's more was on the pages the problem so i i think of myself into a yes okay. So it's it's more of. This wasn't an easy in this eagles had to really fight for its placement to get into the noc list just like they had to fight to get into the castle that's right. They stormed the noc list at against all odds to take one tribe pronouncing the name of the costal. Okay so it's the schloss adler or israel israel would this is. His real name is the schloss Oh well there you have it so yes. It sounds like where eagles debt is making the noc list. And it's funny. 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Ray Dalio: ON How to Define Success for Yourself and Set Your Goals

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

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Ray Dalio: ON How to Define Success for Yourself and Set Your Goals

"You have to diagnose, those to the rue 'cause what is producing your problems. And that may be that you or it may be those around you who are not good at things or whatever, or you're doing something you need to do better. Or it may be that you're in the wrong place. But you have to get at the root cause to do that diagnosis. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to on purpose, the number one health pod cost in the world. Thank you so much for being a part of this community. Thank you for committing to your grove. Your self development, taking out the valuable time of your lives to use it to become better to grow and to learn you could be doing anything in the world right now. Whether you're walking your dog whether you're commuting or whether you're at work, and trying to learn more, thank you for making this commitment to wisdom and to knowledge and you know that my commitment to you on this podcast is to introduce you to the people, the ideas, the messages that can transform your work life, and love. And today's guest is going to do just that. I'm so excited personally, this has been someone that I've been wanting to bring to you on the podcast for a long time. So I'm gonna have to contain my excitement as well, but he's an American billionaire investor hedge fund manager and philanthropist, and the author of this incredible book called principles. Now I read this book when it. I came out, and there were so many incredible insights of wisdom in there. And today I get to sit down with the one and only Ray Dahlia. Right. Thank you so much for being here. Like I don't deserve all that put back at you. Thank you know, you're very kind. You're very kind, and I'm so grateful to have this opportunity with you. Because I truly believe that I'm so grateful, you said on the phone when we were speaking, that there are these different stages of life, and I'm so grateful that you're at the stage of your life where you are sharing. Everything you've learned with all of us because I think there's such a wealth of knowledge that we all have to gain from. So thank you from me, and everyone else, who's listening and watching for taking this next stage in your life role to treat in responsibility. So I'm happy to do. Thank you for helping me. Absolutely. Absolutely. So today, I wanted to dive into life and work, a many different areas that you speak about, and you incredible book principles and the first thing I wanted to dive into is these stages of life, you speak about. Because when you said that to me on the phone the other day, they really resonated. Why don't you guide the audience through those? Different stages and phases. And how you see them changing our life. Well, I think there have to simplify there are three stages in your life. The first stage in your life is when you're learning, and you're dependent on others. Go to school come out graduate from school. It's very different from the second phase of your life where you're working others dependent on you, and you're trying to be successful. And that's what larger your audience is in that early stages. So, I'm so excited to speak to them. And that whole arc is totally different like on the first arc first part of the life, you know you pretty much follow a track. You know what schools parents, taking care of you? Whatever it is. And then you what do you, what do you make you Marley make any decisions you make, you know? Okay, what college did you go to if you go to college, then you go to the college in new what major do you have? And then you come out to this world, the second stage in which really the whole thing is wide. Open to you, particularly if you don't go stay on track, and you realize that there's no instruction manual, and you can go anywhere, and you could do anything and then it's a very different face. It's a more difficult face, and that second phase then has an arc to it and then somewhere in the vicinity of your last phase, that's the phase where you're free to live free to die and your preferences change. You change your relationships with others change. So that's the life arc that I'm referring to. And so I'm in the transition from the end of my second phase to the beginning of my third phase and at that phase. I just wanna pass along. What I've learned to help people who are early in their second phase. Yeah. Absolutely. And you're so right. That, that is the majority of people that are listening and watching right now. And for me, you brought something up really interesting that one of the biggest things is we become paralyzed by choice in decisions because so much of that early phases where things would decided for us which. These were made for us. And I often feel, we bring that mindset to the second phase where we're still looking for someone else to help, tell us what to do and what decision to make him. What's the right thing to do? How have you seen through your experiences? How have you dealt with Schloss and decision as that phase of life changes? Well, I think first of all one has to know their nature. You might have to discover it, but your nature means do you have a sense of adventure do security? Are you an extrovert introvert those types of things? So personal discoveries important. I think that who you're with, and where you are is more important than what you do. Because in the early phase of that second phase. It's total discovery. So it's experimentation you know, you went to India for three years, right? Yes. And that, but if you have that. Sense of adventure to let go you can't discover, that's your opportunity. But discover yourself as well as to discover what the choices are like, and then as you move later into that, you'll feel the polls and to feel never trapped we were talking just before we began that so many people say, you know, I can't be that way because I nine job won't allow it, which is a silly concept because you have the freedom of those choices, even when you have constraining situations. So I think that's the life arc. Enjoy this wide open choice you can be anywhere in the world. You can do almost anything let go experiment. And then move on. Absolutely. And did you feel that same freedom when you started as well? Or do you feel it's changed? Now, do you think there's MR case in my case? Okay. My case when I was twelve I got hooked on trading markets. So I I love that game. So I discovered it at early. And then I and then I wanted to, but I had this sense of adventure I was very I discovered when I went to work at a company that I worked at a company was not my thing. I got fired. I punch my boss I so, and I really then learned the freedom not, I didn't have any idea that I was setting up a company. I just sort of said, I can do these things, probably like you, you discovered okay? I could do those things and then one thing leads to another. And then, you know, you build and I always like the variety. So I'm my nature is macro, so I like going all over the world all different cultures understanding how the world works. And so I found something that clicked through that experimentation. Then there's ups and downs. Right. Lots of ups and downs. So we need to talk about failure. How great failure is. Yeah. Let's, let's do that because I think when I'm hearing you say that it's so refreshing, because when I hear you saying, yeah, I had to figure it out, and I was experimenting and testing. And I didn't even know what I was building. I love hearing that because that's what my experience so far is being to as opposed to, like, a very rigid strategic, you know, that there isn't strategy of course, there is. But something very rigid in planned. There is a lot of experimentation in that growth where failure is natural y'all. My son in two thousand fourteen give me a book Joseph Campbell, and it was called here of thousand faces, and it refers to the hero's journey, and this is like at the end of my experience and I follow found that that's very, very true. And so there's the cycle. Forcing Matic is a natural SuperFood company that specializes in mushroom based drinks benefit our immunity, energy and longevity. 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Forward slash purpose or use the discount code puppets. I check out that's forcing Matic. F. O. U. R. S. I. G. M. A T. I see dot com forward slash Pappas certain type of personality wants a taste for adventure. You go out and have the adventure. And then there are the ups and downs. And then you crash you will have a failure if you're adventurous, and you're pushing the limits you will have a failure, and that failure is can be a transformative experiment experience. I've an expression that pain, plus reflection equals progress, so they call it. The bet the abyss and change the learning of humility to maintain your aggressiveness, your DASS ity and to simultaneously. Learn humility, and that happened to me. I was so you described that I was I graduated from school. I two years, I worked on Wall Street for two years, I got fired from my job and two years later. I'm running my little company, something. Like seven eight years after that, I made terrible mistakes in the markets, I crashed and I lost everything. And I was so broke that I had to borrow four thousand dollars from my dad del paid for my family expenses. And it was public publicly because I was on Wall Street week and made all those mistakes. And that was one of the most painful pain could be great, because it changed my whole perspective to decision making as I'm saying it gave me the humility I needed to operate with my daddy. In other words, to simultaneously be bold, and aggressive, and also to know that I could be careful you don't I learned that if you're doing risky things, anybody who does risky things tight rope walk across buildings or whatever. It's that they also know how to deal with the risks. Well, so how to be? Bold and then to learn from the failures and it changed my whole approach to failure. I began to think of failures like puzzles that if I could solve the puzzle I'd get a job and the puzzle was, what would I do differently in the future? And the gem, I would get would be a principle of how I would deal with the future differently so understanding that if you press the limits you're going to fail. And it's okay. And life is a long journey. Failure has a tone to it. That it sounds like it's an end. No, it's part of that process of learning. And then making that great advance, but the humility combined with the audacity was helpful. Because then I would go to try to find the smartest people I could find who disagreed with me that independent thinking, and I would also know how to deal with my risks better. So I kept my upside without losing my. Inside. So that's failure and pain if you look at the second order effects if you make the most of them, they're the most valuable. Absolutely. And I love that balanced that you've just spoke about what that bringing the two together of humility and on acid. I've never had it before, and I really value that because I can see why humility so powerful but not that, that humility stops you from having that bonus and that courage and almost like, how have you maintained that because I'm guessing that being at rock bottom, like having to borrow four thousand dollars can be very painful. And then when you're experimenting again and going on your next adventure, you've got to be okay with the fact that, that could happen again. All that humility holding that having that happen again. I think the type of border crossing the building is, is the example. Yes, you, you fall and you fall hard, now, some people won't get on the type rope again. Yeah. Some people will get on the tight rope again. And then. Think how do I do that? So how do I be bold and aggressive and I pull it off, and it's the same way Ryden you start to think, well, maybe I do this or that differently. And I practice more. It's that combination of the caution, and practice that allows you to take it to the limits that you never would have been able to take it to before I learned that once I learned that everything changed because I also would know how to take the hits. In other words, I don't mind getting banged. But I don't wanna get knocked out of the gate. Yes. So the willingness to get banged, but not knocked out of the game is a big part of that. Absolutely. Yeah. Like a good fighter. Right. You just giving that analogy for me. It's like sometimes a boxer, a fighter needs to know which punches to take in order to be able to drop a big punch. That's that's part of the game. And that's what you were saying about solving a puzzle. I love that analogy. Because I think if we see everything is puzzles. There's a way of figuring it out. Right. You know there's an answer to a puzzle. I think the key is to think of reality as you're given reality is reality. And think of it as working like a machine, there are cause-effect relationships that make the realities around you. Okay. Now, if you go above yourself and you look at that, how does that machine work? And then how do I interact with that machine to get what I want you do that with unequal, nitty, meditation also helped me a lot? Yes, I learned to meditate very many years ago. And if you if you have equity, and you look at it above, and you look at it with curiosity, and you say, all, I must not be interacting well with at my reality, and how do I change it? And how does it work? It's a very powerful way of pro life, absolutely in that definition of quantum eighty two. Economists he means to deal with good and bide. Yup. And so how have you, I'd love to know? Have you celebrate an embrace successes in your life to we just spoke about failure? I'm intrigued to know how someone like yourself deals with success, will, I think my appro my thinking about successes evolved over a period of time. I thought about success, I today think about success differently. It's like the way I thought about it originally. When I you know, you have this failure, I thought that it's like there's a jungle out there, I want to have the great look greatest life possible. But in order to be successful. I can I have to cross this dangerous jungle, now I could stay on the one side of the jungle, and have a, a boring Safelife? But unless I deal with the risks risks in return, go together, and it's like going into the jungle. So what would I choose? Would I choose to go into the jungle and cross the jungle and have the greatest life possible? But I might get bad things might happen. And then I started to think when I went into that jungle, I, of course, I had to cross the jungle, but I started to realize how to cross the jungle most importantly, with people who could see things differently than I could on the mission with me. And so, and we would protect each other in that jungle, and that's what it was like. So life is a lot like that, who are you in the jungle with and they might see things differently from you. And then you protect each other and you go through and the thing that I discovered was that as I had these successes and failures and much more successes than failures. I began to realize that I didn't care as much about the success as I cared about the journey. Okay. In other words, I didn't want to get out of the jungle, I didn't want to get to the other, because it might be like, I don't know climbing mountains. Are doing whatever you realize there's a new peak, and there's a new level of success, and it won't keep you happy. Okay. You don't sit there you want to go on. Yes. And it is the ups and downs of that journey, and the striving into becoming better that becomes the new definition of success. And so, I started to see my life in this life arc way with by preferences changing because your preference is naturally change as one has kids, and as they start to think I mean, everybody that you're dealing with is going through into life, arc. If you think about who the people you love. What is your relationship with your parents? What are your relationship? Do you have children who they will have a life arc? And as you go through that life arc and you see those things changing, then you start to realize that operating consistent with that life. Arc is an on that journey to evolve. Well is what success is. It's not. Yes, the money it's like money loses its marginal utility very quickly. Right. If you studies have happiness. There's a Harvard professor Benny professors, I suppose to tell you the same thing in terms of studying happiness around the world. There's very little correlation between how much money you have in the level of happiness past the basic systems, level, the element that there's the highest correlation with is an element of community who you're with. So it's this meaningful work. Are you on a mission and meaningful relationships through a life, arc that evolves? So that's my definition of, of success is more alike, evolving, well, and contributing to Evelyn. Yeah. Absolutely. And I couldn't agree more and those stance out true from my monk training to say hearing them from you in a different context is so encouraging to hear for anyone who's watching or listening right now. Please make sure that as Ray is speaking, you'll visualizing his beautiful analogies because as I'm sitting here listening to you. I'm visualizing being in the forest I'm visualizing being around people and looking at the people in my life, and seeing them as different aspects and. Ray paints, such a beautiful picture as he speaks, if you're listening right now anytime he shares an analogy or story, put yourself in that place because it's going to help you go deeper. And I think you do a brilliant job of that Ray, some of your videos, I saw as well, the animations really bring that to life. So I can see them in my mind. Tell us about how you've been so careful about curated, and constructing that community for yourself. You said that you found people in the woods who could see what you couldn't see and you protected each other. Which I love it was it was an evolutionary process, you know. So you're on you're on a mission. Yes. And you have people around the mission with you. Yes. And then you start to. I started to find what do I want in those people? And what should the relationship be and I I just picked people I liked and I didn't realize how we see things differently how we process things so differently minds work so differently. And so when you start to see let's say there's a big picture thinker. There's a detail thinker, and we all become frustrated with the other person because they like the big picture, says, why are you so hung up with those details? Let's go to the big picture, and the detail thinker thinks you've got your head in the clouds, you got to come down to the nuts and bolts, and they're both right. And they start to realize that you need each other. You start to need the different ways of thinking, so I would convey that many people see things very differently. And how do you deal with those differences and seeing their disagreements? How do you deal with disagreements, my approach, and I learned is whenever you're in disagreement, and you don't know how to deal with it. Well, because it's not going well, pause. And then step above the disagreement together, and then say, what are the protocols for us to disagree? Well, how should we do this thing always go to the higher level and think how should you do that thing? And so you get protocols developed these protocols, like a protocol would be like, if we're not being able to communicate well together a standard protocol is, let's mutually agree on someone who will help moderate this conversation, and then we'll work things through or talking, how do I repeat what you're saying, so that I'm, I'm conveying that I understand? And you start to develop those types of protocols and start to develop the appreciations of people seeing things differently. You. You discover also differences in values differences in the more the most core principles of how people should be with each other. In my case, it was so essential that we're going to be completely radically truthful, and radically transparent with each other. Right. And that was my discovery and it's difficult. But I've also learned that many cases, the difficult things are only the first order consequences. They're difficult the second order consequences as their rewarding. And so by being able to have that radical truthfulness and that transparency to demonstrate that there's no spin was a discovery. So there's an evolutionary art, I would say my culture in my building a an organization, a community that was beneficial described in one sentence. Yesterday long sentence. It's an idea meritocracy another words. It's a place where the best ideas win out, regardless of hierarchy. So an idea meritocracy in with the go in which the goals are meaningful work in meaningful relationships meaningful work to be on a mission together and meaningful relationships is an equal importance of that, and that produces this tough love. So. I'll, I'll repeat it. I'm saying too many words. So it's an idea meritocracy which the goals of meaningful work in meaningful relationships through radical truthfulness and radical transparency anyway. That was my, that's what worked for me. That's incredible. And I guess all of these tools. You are mentioning earlier about these protocols out of consistency of realign everyone with that, because as we stop wearing away, and you start seeing lack of transparency, or lack of truthfulness or lack of meaning and mission. You're concentrating to realign everyone right? That tr-. Let's talk about that route truthfulness in radical transparency. If you if you can achieve it. There's no confusion. Because if we're really truthful, we're taking all those hidden agendas, and all those other things, and we're not confused were putting them on the table. And if you understand the art of thoughtful disagreement, how to disagree well, so that you can then learn from each other, or get past your disagreement, in an idea meritocratic way, it is incredibly powerful. And the we're not taught that we're not taught some of these things. We're not taught the value of failure. Definitely not were not taught. We're taught to be right to be attached to our views of being right yet. You can't learn. No. If you were attached to being right, because you think it's embarrassing because you don't know so that notion of thoughtful disagreement, because if there's disagreement, somebody must be wrong, and how do you know that wrong person isn't you? So these are the things that if you have thoughtful disagreement radical, truthfulness radical transparency, you, build trust and effectiveness. Yeah. And that really sounds like a requires the pulverizing of the ego like that, to me sounds like we really have to crush breakdown this ego. Because egos, what's we confronted with a believing on? Right. I'm going to win right? Whenever you in a disagreement and you Hendra badly. It's you think it's win or loss. I think the greatest tragedy of mankind. Big statement, the greatest tragedy mankind. Okay. The greatest tragedy mankind because it's so much it stands in the way of so many people making decisions, well, and operating well with each other is being is holding an opinion in your head. That's wrong. And it's such a tragedy. Meaning so easily fixed so that all you have to do is put it out there and stress tested and say, I might be wrong. And how do I stress test it? And by stress testing you raise your probabilities of being right. So I think the education system rewards being right. So many things reward that being right. That stands in the way of taking in all that south there to really help you be right. I think that's such a powerful point. I'm just nodding away. If you're only listening that I'm Notting away. Because when you say that I think that's so true that all of our conditioned patents are about being right. It's never been to understand things from different angles all perspectives which is what reality is much more of them being right. Or wrong or black hole, white, and so much of our patterns in mind, or always win or loss. Right. Or wrong. One or two, there's rarely this cohesive synergy that you will. Speaking about that actually takes a lot more work to get to the greater whatever success. I've had in life has had more much more to do with my knowing how to deal with my not knowing than anything that I know because what I don't know is vastly greater think about all the experts that you can turn to and all the perspectives that you can get, and how much you can learn by being what's being out there, and that maximizes. And it's a kick. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. One of the things the other thing, which we've already dive into today you called your book principles. And I thought that that was quite a. Counterculture way of doing it in a good way in a in a in a and the reason I say that is today, so much of the language around business and work or entrepreneurship is around doing Theron, having its around grinding. It's, you know, these are the, the terms in the language, that's used rom business where you go back and you talk about principles and on the phone when we were speaking, you are talking about this differentiation between doing, and then leaving a principled life, just explain that to us. And why you believe we have to start with principals? I'm going to start by explaining how I learned it. Yes plan, what principal thinking is. And how it's different other types of normal thinking most what most people do. Right. And there's also suggestion I'd like to pass along to those who are listening. What I found was that whenever I would make an important decision. I would write down my criteria for making that decision. Because that situation come along again. So I could be clear. It helped me clarify my thinking, and when the next time it came along, I would start to see how to deal with that. And I could refine my principles. So the book is a compendium of these principles that I wrote over twenty five years on that situation. It changed my way of thinking, and it also changed my way of interacting, because then I would see everything as another one of those rather than being the blizzard of these bits and pieces of things come, I would start to think all it's one of those, and I would then operate as a what was my principle and those principles became like in internalized. So think of it almost like a batter batting against a pitcher who sometimes throws curve balls. Sometimes throws fastballs. Some. Throw, sliders. And if you do that over a period of time you begin to learn all that's a fastball. And then you start to think, okay the fastball. I operate this and you start to internalize the you become better and better and life becomes simpler for you, because you're not seeing those millions of bits and pieces. You're seeing it as one of those, and you have that instinct jewel, an ability that allows you to them make that decision and operate that way. And then you can communicate with people on principle levels thinking you know, it's particularly important because I would say the decline of religion, the decline in other words, even your values you have to think what is your religion if you chose a religion and it's not a precondition diligent, what are your values? What are your principles? How do you think life really works and you're making choices? For yourself that is the form of those principles. So when you start to think about those and you're clear about those, and you can communicate with others. You can see whether your principles are aligned with others because they, you'll if you don't get along with somebody in those irreconcilable differences are, due to the fact that there are deep differences in principals, not differences in interpretations of things. And so what it's like any great relationship. They'll be arguments along the way, but it is those core beliefs, and by being clear about them to clear to yourself and cleared. Others. It's very powerful. Yeah. Absolutely. I can agree more. It just makes it so much simpler to navigate. Because you're so right now, when you don't have that clarity, all you're being attacked with, is so much noise. And there's just so many millions of different pieces of noise that are coming at you that you haven't filtered, you haven't clarified you haven't carefully selected, and that's why we feel so overwhelmed today with drowning in. All of that noise as what four exactly where are you going? What four? What are you seeking to fulfil? What is it in you? Yeah. And I think that this is where I I recommend everyone who's listening or watching right now. I'd love you to take a moment to do that. Exercise in your own time to raise just laid out really figuring out what are your criteria behind decisions? Why you making those decisions what's pushing you towards them for me as well whenever I have a number of options. What I do is I write on all my options and choices. I have and I write down on top of them. Why I would take them and often my wife or something would be just pride or ego and often above one of them. It'll be love and depth and values will. Here's the exercise. You're talking about the writing down. Yes. Okay. I'm saying the writing down. I recommend to you're listening. Write them down. Okay. Do your reflections. And then you write them down. It helps it clarifies. The other thing that happens is. I think of the mind is being there almost two using you. There is a conscious logical you. And there's a subliminal emotional you. Yes that you don't understand that was Freud's great discovery. Yes. That there is a part of your brain that is really controlling you but because it's not conscious to you. You don't know it's there and it's controlling it and the key. I think is to align those things like there's intuition, or there's those emotions and when, when they come up and you're seeing yourself doing things if you can reflect on yourself and align, your subliminal with your cerebral, you, it helps you because you have a double check that emotional thing, like maybe it's an intuition. Well, maybe it's right. And maybe it's wrong so respect it, it's coming up. But look at it with that logical. And when you achieve that alignment, writing helps you do that. Absolutely. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. And if you if you're sitting there going, I'm not a right to try. And if I have to try and. Have you still feel? You're not a right of voice note yourself. Speak it out to yourself and hear yourself back because when you hear because he used to listening to other people started listening to your subconscious self and that's going to help you really try and bring that alignment and clarity together. And then you start to see that. There's a limited number maybe a few hundred maybe couple hundred circumstances, or whatever you're going to start to see everything happens over and over again. You're going to understand yourself better, who it's very wonderful. Absolutely love that one of these principles, you talk about this scale of savouring, the experience, severing life than making an impact, and I wanted to know how you reconcile the two and, and how you've seen them grow. I think the big choice in life. There are a lot of big choices in life but is accomplished versus savoring life. Okay. So, you know, savoring life is smell the roses, and what a beautiful day or that moment, make sure you time with people that you love and all of that, and then there's the other, which is a compliment an impact. Right. So there is those kinds of choices and you have to discover yourself. Well, where are you? And how do you deal with those types of things? I think the most effective is where they ally. Right. Okay. That's that's, that's I think the key, right? Like to, to make your work, your passion one in the same. Right. That kind of thing. So. That that's I think that's the best. Okay. You're at compliment if you're passionate. And then you maybe have those things align, but that, that's the choice in life. Right. And you could see it in different cultures. Yes. Yeah. And today, we see a lot of today with all of the generations that we're in and seeing what the desire to have it all, does the desire to have great pay a great job. That's meaningful and have lots of time off to go on holiday, and be able to go out on a Friday night and have a good time. And I feel like this desire to have everything is quite a challenge, because then you try and striving to have all of these different paths that going best. That's the what the second phase of life is like first phase of the life is, you know, you learn and really it's generally a lot of fun. And also, by the way, you think you can conquer the universe. And then you come to this are the phase where it's all open, and so on. And what you find out is there are too many things to do. You don't have enough time. Okay. You don't have enough time for each one of those things. And so the question is, how do you deal with that? Well, there are two ways you can deal with it. You can, of course, prioritize and you need to do that. But the real way, most importantly is to know how to get the most out of an hour. In other words, you can put more life into life if you know how to get leverage. And if you know how to be as as because if you get more out of each hour. Wow. Then you, it's like more life within those crooked straight number of hours. Absolutely. Absolutely. I've, I've always described that for me as time management buses energy management, and for me if I can bring all my energy into one hour that's more powerful than me, having ten hours of off the energy and in. But in addition, there are techniques, right? Right. Well, like, for example, I learned leverage through other people. Once you learn leverage, in my particular case, of course, I built up to this. I have about thirty direct reports and what it means is. Now, this is after years of do I had nothing by the way. But what I can do is with the good relationships, and how that works, basically, they can typically work for about fifty hours on something that I'm trying to accomplish for every hour that I deal with them. Right. So I get an enormous amount of leverage or I know how to prioritize or I know how to break my schedule knowing I mentioned, meditation, or other things to get myself that clarity. So there are very many, many techniques. I wrote a bunch of books and many other people have other techniques, but as you start to realize that you can have much more life by knowing these various types of techniques. I'd love to know some of your. Tips and techniques around prioritization. I think that's something that people are so challenged with right now, what have been some of your best principles or rules on how to prioritize. I don't want, I don't want to give people my parties, but I do want to give them the notion of to go above it, the same rule, if you're in a disagreement, you though, above it, okay? So many people are in the blizzard of all these things coming at them, and they're in it, and they're trying to deal with every one of those. Okay. So pause and step back and then start to think what are you really going after you have to look subliminally? It may be deep seated in your childhood. It may be. But what is that poll? Okay. And that, that becomes, and then how do you apportion it? You do need a plan. You, you need some sort of self-discipline as you look down. And you say, well, I'm gonna spend dinners with my kids, or I'm going to do XYZ in terms of those to do, but at the highest level, you're saying what do I want, what am I choice because you have to realize, and then what I find is, if you pause, and you do that slowly over time. Don't just try to do it in a minute. You can find that you can have a lot of your cake and eat it, too. Right. I used to take my kids on my business trips. What a great education, some crazy. It's an example. That sometimes you discover with time that you can have your cake and eat it too, right? Yeah. So take the time patients patients is I think there's five steps to success. I is you have to know your goals, you have to know what you're going out there and that does require prior to sation the second is on your way to your goals. You're going to encounter your problems, your failures, your problems so stats step to encounter them. The standing in your way, number three is you have to diagnose those to the root cause, what is producing your problems at the at the root cause, and that may be that you or it may be those around you who are not good at things or whatever, or you're doing something you need to do better. Or it may be that you're in the wrong place. But you have to get at the root cause to do that diagnosis, once, you know, the specific thing, that's standing in your way that personal discovery process you have to go to the fourth step, and that fourth step is to design. A way to get around them. If it may be, for example, that, if you have a particular weakness work with somebody who is strong where you're weak, or it may be a change your job, or whatever it is. But you've gotta get around that specific thing that you've diagnosed as standing in your way. And then when you have a design, you have to do it a lot of people come up with designs, but they don't push through and do it. And I think life is just the constant five-step process over and over and over again because if you're if you can do those five things you will be successful. You'll evolve fair quickly. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you add to methods or keys to succeeding, which you call flexibility, and self accountability, because within that within those five steps there's going to need to be a bit of flexibility, or a lot of flexibility, and self accountability. And I love you. You said don't blame bad outcomes on anyone but yourself, which is like, huge self accountability. Yeah. I really do believe. Mindset, I do believe that I can do anything and that it is just a matter of my character, and my creativity. So that it is a personal test of me it may be difficult, and I have to be creative enough and may with the help of others. And that is largely true. Really? If you're creative enough with and you don't have to do it yourself. You can get the ideas from other people, and then you are enough character to do it. Wow. Absolutely. And I think that's the biggest challenge that we tried to hold on our own. We think we have to be everything. We think we have to be the face ended up background on the side, and, and everything in between and actually collaboration coming together with other people is so much more. What is brought success in the world? Yes. When you start to realize that actually, you can't see. It's like going from two dimensions to three dimensions or black and white to color that when you start to see things through others is you can see the world in a totally different much richer way. And you know how to navigate it it's, it's such a power such a gift. Yeah. It's amazing. Thank you so much. This has been such an incredible expense diving into anyone who's listening and watching, I hope you've been taking notes hope you stopped and did set an activity is when Ryan, I spoke about them and right. We finish every interview with a final five, which is funnel, five quickfire round rapid fire round. So these answers that are one to one sentence maximum. So I'm going to start with the first one. What's one trait, you look for in a potential employee character? Character amazing. Okay. Great. Number two, what is one trait, you possess that you believe you to where you ought today? One of your tweets for your humility fear and acceptance of failing. Wow. I love that answer. That's awesome. It was not expecting that it's a great onset feeling. Sorry, I'm engine now because. Explain that I love him for an an an taste for adventure because the joy of the adventure eb makes the makes it all worthwhile. And I've come to appreciate the pain. Yeah. What's the best thing? You've learned from this transition in your life where you now, passing it on, when something you've learned from the process of passing lessons on that it's hard and to let go to let go of. To let go of caring. Right. While caring, right? Yes. Yes. That's such an important point. Absolutely. As a teacher as a guide as a coach, you can only facilitate growth, but you can't force it just let it. Yeah. Going to give everyone the opportunity to let it out. Okay. Number four. What's one thing in stage? Three you're looking forward to the most so the stage of life that you're in right now. Well as Joseph Campbell said to be free to live free to die. I think that you're in an arc in which you gain freedom, total freedom. No obligation. The greatest enjoy now is no obligation free. Yeah. Amazing and to an to watch others be successful without that is the greatest joy to watch others to be successful without me. I'm free, and they are successful without me. And is what you've heard this book of a number principles in the fifth. And final question is what's a principle, that you've learned this year or that you're currently trying to learn learning or testing this year? Well, this is my this is my transition year. I guess what I've learned, I've been so pleased to have the interactions with people who are alerting. I don't know if it's a principle. It's not a principle, but it's an experience that the interactions that I'm having on social media. The conversations so many nice people and the exchanges are just been so beautiful. I think that was my main discovery as I'm also going through my process of that I described. See that's amazing radio. Absolutely incredible. If anyone loved the conversation today, make sure you go and grab a copy of principles by Dahlia. If you haven't already, if you have read the book, which I know many of you very excited, we're gonna have Ray on the podcasts. Go ahead and follow them on social media. And of course, all the other channels, if you don't already raise their particular channel that you would prefer. Undergo follow you on, is there or Facebook Instagram, this YouTube, go ahead and follow Ray across all the channels. Thank you so much for listening makes you grab a copy of the book today. We just literally scratched the surface of all the incredible principal at one shore. Please I put the book and, and also video case studies and everything in a free app. So if you don't have to buy a book, you can get the book. It's on the Iowa's apple store. It's a free. Download and it has videos cool. Yeah. That's awesome. So the book is great if you like books. But you also have this other video, which is a alive. You might like that. That's awesome. Then there's so many great episodes that I've been watching on race social channels as well that really breakdown and visualize, these principles fee to check out. Thank you so much for being a subscriber to on purpose rate, and review this podcast and most importantly, share what you learn. There were so many great insights from Ray today, so many greats moments wisdom principles extract them, share them on Twitter, or on Instagram on YouTube on Facebook and I'll share my favorite ones as well. Make sure you tag Rayan I in those messages, and we can't wait to see you again next week. Thank you so much. Thanks ray. Thank you, so on. So very for. Yeah. Thank you. Those good for you. Thank you so much. Sank you so much for listening through to the end of that episode. I hope you're going to share this all across social media. Let people now that you subscribed to on purpose that me no posted tell me what a difference it's making in your life. I would love to see your thoughts. I can't wait for this incredibly conscious community, where creating of purposeful people you're now, a part of the tribe part of the squad. Thank you for being here. I can't wait to share the next episode with you.

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Castles in the air

Behind the bottom line

14:28 min | 10 months ago

Castles in the air

"Good morning good afternoon. Good evening and welcome to you wherever you are on the world this is James Scofield. The writer of the stories in season to this podcast behind the bottom line. Can I ask you a question? What do you really know about the people you work with? What I've learned is that everybody has an unusual story to tell about themselves and these stories might be funny. They might be sad or they might be frankly weird and over the years. I've turned these people and events into short stories for different magazines in each episode of behind the bottom line. I read you my original story and afterwards I tell you something about its real-life background stay story is cold consoles in the APP. And while you're listening and before you say to yourself that could never happen to me. Discuss CA self have bought a lottery ticket consoles in the air host said. Jim Visit looked at the photographs. This goldmine host agreed. We'll write your chance to own a casual and they'll go crazy. Outsider would have been surprised at their enthusiasm. Schloss Hoffenberg was a small eighteenth century castle. Just outside Leipzig. The windows and doors had been boarded up for ten years. And they were holding the roof. Dr Frankenstein might have been persuaded to move in. But even he would have demanded introduction however Halston. Jim had always been optimists. They met in the nineteen fifties when Jim was a young soldier and he'd caught horth stealing cigarettes and whiskey from a storeroom. The British army base in Paderborn to sell on the black market after halted explained the enormous return on investment and offered to make Jim his partner. Jim Decides to go into business with him. They made an excellent team and by the time Jim left the army the base had ordered enough tobacco and alcohol to poison entire regiment. Luckily host Jim had diverted the goods into the local economy. Jim decided to stay in Germany and the two of them lived quite well. During the boom years of the nineteen sixties selling fake Beatles records. They'd recorded with local color band in the nineteen seventies. They moved into what they called financial consultancy. This mainly involved taking suitcases full of banknotes two zero for rich doctors who wants to avoid paying income tax but the nineteen eighties were bad. Host lost money financing a football club that went from the first division to the fourth. In the time it takes most people to brush their teeth. Jim Managed to do the same with expensive divorces from Gloria and Heidi so when the Berlin Wall came down in November nineteen eighty-nine. The two men rub the hands and thought about how they could introduce the new citizens in the eastern part of reunited Germany to the joys of capitalism. Unfortunately this didn't prove as easy sade hoped. The new citizens didn't have much money and by the early nineteen nineties. They had even less the government shutdown all F actors and made them unemployed. We need to look at what they've got and then find people elsewhere who wanted said host but what is it who will buy it. It was on a holiday visit to shelf noise Feinstein. The Jim found the answer Kossuth. He said the next time he saw host and Americans. Americans love castles and Germany's foot of them. Jim had discovered that nobody is quite sure. Who some of the consuls in eastern Germany belong to they'd being voluntarily or involuntarily handed over to the National Socialists in the nineteen thirties were confiscated by the Russians in the nineteen forties and appropriated by the East German government in the nineteen fifties. You mean we sell hostels to Americans off Horst doubt finally when we don't even own them. No onset Jim. We sell the dream of a cartel to Americans. He is how the plan was simple fast. They got addresses of people in the US with German sounding names. Then they printed brochures sharing attractive pictures of Sloth Hoffenberg they wrote a letter pretending to be is representing the administrators. The costal saying that ownership was unclear and there was the possibility. The person receiving the letter was the rightful owner. If the person sent family details in a processing fee of one hundred ninety nine dollars allston Jim would carry out the necessary investigations and see whether this was indeed the case to the delight. The scam was an instant success. They sent out thousands of letters and only a small percentage of people replied with any money. But this is more than enough wholesome. Jim wasted a few weeks. And then send each client a polite letter saying the costal unfortunately belong to someone else after all the processing fee however was not returned so life was looking very good until the morning how blind the third from Texas came to visit them in that modern news office in Berlin. Yala gentlemen that sent me the brochure about a castle. He asked with an accent left both Jim host scratching their heads. While you all eight no lawyers. Maybe the police would like to know about this. After some discussion it became clear that how it actually was more interested in the deal then in making trouble what he wanted was a costal on his ranch in Texas Manet. They're pretty passy but they now got a castle said Howard you get me a castle real castle and Wednesday nothing about your little scam Halston. Jim got started but the towns of eastern Germany were unwilling to export their castles. Even though they couldn't afford to repay them after six months host and Jim hadn't managed to find anything and Howard was getting impatient to must be costal somewhere said host almost without hope that the local people want to get rid of but where is it. It was on a holiday. Visit Transylvania the Jim found the answer. Casa's in the AD was written for business spotlight in two thousand fourteen and the source of the story. Ready dates back of quite a few years earlier to one of the most significant events of my lifetime which was of course the collapse of the Berlin Wall in Nineteen eighty-nine and then the subsequent unification of East and West Germany and this led to a lot of difficulties for the state in knowing how to manage the resources that were then available to them. Who did these companies? Who did these factors? Who did these buildings belong to? And this was something that wasn't easy to resolve because the owners would fade difficult to to define but Harry which interested me with in particular. The was the fact that there were these really amazing buildings. I'm a nobody reading you who they belong to and but also the problem being that a low end terribly back condition and the state didn't want to take over the responsibility of renovating all of them so it was something that interested me this whole area. I've also always had a sneaking admiration for conman one of my favorite films. A few years ago was the film. Leered CAPRIO in it Catch-me-if-you-can about the conman Frank Abergnail Who started working as a con artist at fifteen looking back in history One of the most successful and fascinating con artists was Victor Lustig who was an austro-hungarian and he was the man who not only managed to sell the Eiffel Tower which is in itself an amazing story and he also actually managed to con the Prohibition Gangster Al Capone out of money. He did of course eventually end up in jail. As of course did Frank Abergnail. I'm so these people aren't always aren't always successful at longtime but what they managed to do in the time when they are operational speak is I think amazing recent times we have of course. The crypto currency scams in particular the most famous of them is one coin set up by apparently a former McKinsey Consultant Rita. Agneta from Bulgaria. And you can hear of an amazing podcast called the missing crypto queen from the BBC. I strongly recommend it. And and on that podcast you can even hear examples of this woman Rita Agneta. I'm taking part all running enormous conferences events in a large large holes. And when she convinces people to invest in a totally fictitious cryptocurrency so. I don't think this is something that's GonNa go away anytime soon. I used to collect but they seem to have now disappeared somewhat because my cybersecurity on my PC's so much better nowadays. But I used to use to receive emails apparently from Nigerian princes asking if I would help them to smuggle money out of Nigeria. I'm and I always used to find these in ice likes these emails because the stories that came attached with them with so entertaining. And you might think of were. How could anybody believe an email offer over three million dollars just simply for providing your bank account details to enable fifteen million dollars to be transferred into it? I'm but police recommended at one time. In the early two thousands there was something like five people sitting in hotel lobbies in London. Every day are waiting to meet people connected with such such scams and there's even a story of a Brazilian bank official who was persuaded to Invest. Two hundred and forty seven million dollars in a non existent airport projects in leg off and the money was never a cupboard and the Bank of course then collapsed so these things have to have real consequences of course apart from the bank which collapsed in. Brazil was a very sad story. I believe from the Czech Republic and an incensed investor in one of these schemes went into a consulate and Nigerian consulate. And shot dead an official there because he blamed them for not making sure that this sort of thing didn't happen. Which was very unfair because the Nigerian government who's to publish regularly full page advertisements in the Economist magazine warning people not to have anything to do with such scams. But I'm this invested. It might not. So yes they can't be quite They can't have tragic consequences but nevertheless I think the stories they. These con artists been really really interesting. One of the things that state which I learnt I have to say from this guy. Victor Listrik who sold the Eiffel Tower He had a the ten commandments for how to be a successful con artist and one of them which I think applies not only. If you want to be a con artist. I think it applies in lots of other situations. In Life. His rule his number one rule was be a patient listener. So I hope all of you will continue to be patient listeners to behind the bottom line and I hope you enjoyed today story castles in the air. I'll be back next week with the story called. Cyber Romance which is about someone who finds the love of their life online. Lots people meet their partners online these days but this case is maybe a little bit extreme. Please subscribe on spotify Apple. Google podcast whichever to make sure you never miss an and tell your friends rice. An online review or to me directly at James Dot ru put dot Scofield at g mail dot com to let me know what you think until the next episode of behind the bottom line. This is James Scofield saying. Stay safe and goodbye.

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AP Headline News Mar 07 2019 21:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

04:45 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Mar 07 2019 21:00 (EST)

"Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry, it's pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Okay, guys. Welcome to our Q on AGM planning quarterly review central meeting. Business can be complicated. Travel doesn't have to be with my taxi business. You can download receipts and manage multiple bookings online make the smarter choice that might taxi dot com. Radio. I'm wire President Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort a sentence in nearly four years in prison. Paul Manafort in a wheelchair because of problems with gout showed no visible reaction to the forty-seven month. Long sentence it stems from his work advising Ukrainian politicians and not from his work in the Trump campaign appoint stressed by White House, counselor Kellyanne Conway, there's no sentencing today that has anything to do with collusion with Russia and the campaign Manafort told the court he felt humiliated and ashamed but the judge noted there was no apology. The former Trump campaign chairman still faces sentencing in the district of Columbia for a separate case for illegal lobbying. Jackie Quinn, Washington. First funerals for the victims of Sunday's tornado in Alabama held today in this from the AP, Ed Donahue, a grandfather talks about his young grandson, one of the twenty three people killed Bobby kid lost his grandson, AJ Hernandez. The boy was ripped from his father's arms. The house just explode. He said he remembers flying through there and the boys just being sucked away from kids son and his older grandson survived. His thoughts are with AJ is like coming out here. Every little thing you look at remind you something of him kids says it will take time to heal. It will take time to get over his grandson's debt, he brighten up a room. Yeah. Those are the memories that I wanna keep other. Because it makes me smile. I may Donohue. President Trump is slated to visit the area tomorrow the house overwhelmingly approved a resolution condemning bigotry and hatred democratic leaders rework the original resolution condemning anti-semitism and anti Muslim discrimination and bigotry amid dissension among party members over congresswoman Ilan Omar's latest remarks on Israel. She said the Jewish state's allies pressure lawmakers to pledge allegiance to a floor and country. This is a radio news, holocaust survivor, and and Frank stepsister. Eva slots met today with high school students in Newport Beach, California, during a party, they made a swastika out of plastic cups photos of the cups in some of the party goers flashing Nazi salute soon made it onto the internet Schloss tells reporters after the meeting that the students apologize, and she says they know they made mistakes. Suppose and vici shouldn't be h but it does happen. And as things really didn't sink about the consequences incident shows there is a need for even more education about the holocaust and the not tree hatred that led to it Schloss. And her mother were the only members of their family to survive the camps. Her mother later, married, Frank's father Otto, federal prosecutors, say three men have been arrested as part of an illegal marijuana growing operation in southern California that was funded with money from China. I'm Tim Maguire AP radio news. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the. Hi, jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song what the name your price tool. So when it's like tell us what you want to pay. Hey, hey, trombone goes Wah, and you say we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at ya. Yes. No. Maybe anyway. Okay. See you practice tonight. I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like tell us what you want to pay. Hey, the trombone goes, blah, blah, blah. And you say we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at ya. Yes. No. Maybe. Anyway, see you practice tonight. I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law.

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Episode 89: DJ Radio dan Panggilan Misteri

YEK YEK JE

08:31 min | 4 months ago

Episode 89: DJ Radio dan Panggilan Misteri

"Walk-in. Someone said you say Thursday. Assalamualaikum, June 2nd when my lamp or no mystery podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah by the time I got to call so I thought the Instagram socarrat just call in then, under this segment Marlin blue mystery game. All right. younger Okay. some particular black comedian Say Mikey. God almighty. to know what we call skits and kissable our radio Lang Sana counted Yung pangalan. NG mahal ko Ang Lee wait so long and very punctual Mystery Tour and chanku. I you know, she ditched into a among the and can call in. Chemistry young the call Petra taken off you do that for the past two days. Basically, Mighty So Below DJ to the young young off, the garden Coast radio home then a telephone and connection to Schloss. And did you did you need I didn't telephone number. So if you do call back across Maine manga tool. So Janessa two were broken and approved point so below anything else talk about. How long will it really does yellow? So lepas would be so heavy duty disebut. So how long it's Denis Mimosa drama and a cool color in his shoe bomb bomb bay. So we'll have to news page. Will you mind follow so A young got my idea and to blocku is the minimum wage. So our topic is mature video call David Bloom. The original audio dealt segment, and but according to is a cool lock code original page say when this would be acquired the original home, then I'll see you guys. All right, bye-bye. What I mean, you never go situation and so, you know, you get off on my gummy spent off banquet either support spending, You can come in the moon you have you pop off even when you go

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Coping with Stress

Now For Tomorrow with Deepak Chopra

09:37 min | 6 months ago

Coping with Stress

"Hello, I'm Deepak Chopra, and this is now for tomorrow. It. Collection of actions you can do now during the same disruption and crisis. To make tomorrow. Better. Today. I want you to take a fresh look at managing stress. We use the word stress all the time, but people don't really know how to deal with it. So they stopped trying. In Normal Times, we accept that modern life moves fast and bring special. If. You feel stressed. You're already in the symptom face of the stress response. Yourselves are being asked to adapt to abnormal conditions like lack of sleep. Repeated bursts of anxiety. And overload of the involuntary nervous system. And without adequate time to reset and re balance. In the present crisis, these conditions are exacerbated and affect many more people. The homework today takeout out bannon paper and write the word sleep. Thinking about your sleep over the past week. Radio sleep from one to fight. We're five means you got eight to nine hours of restful sleep every night this week. and. One means you got either zero or one night this week where you slept for tonight is straight through. Now. Right. The following words. Innings -IETY? Relaxation. Happy date and pressure. After, listening to this podcast, go back and read your past week in those areas to. Again, they are anxiety. Appetite and. TRICIA. Give yourself a fight. If none of these issues has been a problem this week and one if you find that there have been a constant problem. What your body wants is balance which is achieved in each area. Besides good sleep every day you need to feel a sense of ease and relaxation. Your appetite should be regular and without upset. Your aim is to feel that you're not pressured every day or facing demands you can't meet. Implementing, these steps of balance can be challenging in the best of times and we all. During, this extraordinary crisis, it is even more difficult. However the extreme stress that comes with this band damning requires us to restore balance now more than ever. Be. Kind and gentle with yourself as you incorporate these re-balancing. Actions. Don't increase your stress with self recrimination of frustration about old. Habits. The Keyword is balanced. Your body naturally wants to remain in balance, but stress pushes a doubt of balance. Everything, needed to cope stress is built into the body mind. In other words balance is holistic. If you feel anxious during these difficult times, your mood isn't just psychological. Every cell in your body is eavesdropping on your mood and participating in it to the language that sells understand, which is chemical. We need to turn the tables and instead of focusing on the symptoms of stress, the focus should be on the symptoms of being imbalanced. The typical ways of dealing with stress are denied distraction and defensiveness denies says that there's no problem you've probably heard people claimed that stress can be good for you. It keeps you alert competing with an edge. From a medical perspective that's totally false. Stress at any level where the low lying or unnoticed or high level and acute always creates imbalance. Having a baby is a wonderful event but as new bedrooms immediately, expense dealing with a newborn causes a high level of stress during the first two years something we deny when we bent the blessed event in Jersey jumps. Distraction attempts to deal with stress by running away we stopped watching more. TV. Playing video games spending every spare hour on the computer and turning to alcohol or stress eating. The need to pursue distractions means that you already in the symptom phase of stress you feel the pressure and you want to stop feeding it. defensiveness is the most aggressive response to stress. It's a fighting bus show you give stress instead of receiving it. Sadly, this is why domestic abuse in other examples of violence rise during the crisis. Being the source of stress Musk's it's destructive influence on yourself and increases the problem but everyone else. Today take a look at the categories on a sheet of paper. OSCO sub honestly, if you're practicing denial. Distraction or defensiveness. These are coping behaviors that you can undo while at the same time you focus your time and energy on better more conscious choices. The information is already out there on improving sleep. Meditating. Practicing relaxation techniques. Reducing anxiety and decreasing the pressures of daily life. It isn't the lack of information that keeps people from dealing with stress. is letting unconscious behavior, take hold and becoming a habit. Are Seven pointers to effectively cope with stress. Bring Mind and body back into balance and reducing site. One. Get a good night's sleep every night, which is defined as eight to nine hours of continuous restful sleep. To. Its it with people who are more relaxed, accepting and not stressful to be with. Three. Daybreak every are to stand up and move on if you extended to light exercise, this is also beneficial. With the main benefit is some kind of motion many times a day. For. Devious epsom inner time several times a day. This can be as simple as sitting quietly alone. Reading deeply and sitting in silence. Aric. Breakfast Five. When you feel that the situation is stressful. Away, as soon as you can. Find a place in Santa. Centering just means closing your eyes. And breathing until you feel relaxed and calm. Six. Give yourself, Plato, and creative dime everyday. You can define playing creativity anywhere you want. The key here is involvement that is relaxed and fun. Grimly, engaging in a fast demanding video game rarely brings it relaxed smile but exhibits many of the markers of stress. adrenaline is a stress hormone something you want to minimize and avoid. Competition has its place. No doubt but there's a reason it is compared to war and gladiator combats. And Seven? Connect with other people in a buzzed serie. Misery loves company, but you don't need the company of misery. Conversations that polka zoning. And stress done into sources of stress. Avoid. These as much as possible if your aim is to reduce stress. We are all faced with mounting stress in crisis. So digs conscious choices to bring the body mind back into balance. You can't just coast and assumed things will get better. Decades ago stress was identified as the epidemic of Martin Life. If you take that description to heart, you can start practicing the coping behaviors that induce vaccination, Gommunist, inner peace, and the absence of anxiety. I'm Deepak Chopra Gra. Stewart. Now, for tomorrow is produced by Jesse Baker and Eric Newsroom of magnificent noise for religion of sports. Are Production staff includes Adam schloss men, nor was was and George, Brown.

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Episode 190: Porcelain

Historically Thinking

1:11:47 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 190: Porcelain

"Welcome to the story thinking program devoted to all kinds of historical knowledge and the ways that we achieve it. I'm your host website is historically thinking dot. Org for you can subscribe find more information about our guests links and related greetings. Our email addresses mail. And historically the don orgy love to hear from you. Hello and seventy nine. Where the great european technological chievements eighteenth century was finally realized reverse engineering of a formula portion of the chinese had used for almost two millennia that this recipe was recruited in saxony. The heart of middle europe meant that person who have a special place not really algae business industry and culture of the german states that the center of their political economy and their relation to an ever globalizing capitalist economy with me to discuss this fascinating. An entangled history is suzanne l. Marchand she boyd. Professor of history at louisiana state university with a particular focus on european intellectual history and the history of the humanities in modern europe but her most recent book is porcelain a history from the heart of europe and the subject of our conversation. Today so marchand. Thank you for being part of historically thinking rate to be here so first things first. When i picked up this book i could not have given a clear. Explanation of what porcelain is it's And in fact it was not a subject of tickly interested me And i left the book Knowing a lot more about things which did not even realize existed and says will talk about the end felt sort of sadness that this whole little universe associated with porcelain. Soon be on the way out in exchange for paper cups and strauss and plastic clam. Shell phone clam shell containers. But i what is porcelain. Technically speaking l. Your description of the book replicates my experience. I learned a tremendous amount from this book. I am not a collector. I was not a specialist in any way in material culture. When i started this project. And it's been a great great adventure for me. I've learned so much about About central european culture. That i never had expected. Even though i've been studying it for thirty thirty five years now but to answer your question about porcelain i would say that. It counts as the queen of the ceramics It is amongst translucent. Is the most fine grade of ceramics. It's known especially for. Its very beautiful. Whiteness and glassy quality at also insulates against heat or cold doesn't doesn't crack When you pour hot water into for example Doesn't it has manny superior technical qualities and then it's also a very very delicate wants molded and painted and shaped It's you any any number of different kinds of of that cels or Or artworks it is difficult to work with as a ceramicist will tell you. It's very Very persnickety has to be fired at a very high temperature the glazing as a special art in and of itself so it's It's a very delicate and high grade. Form of ceramics. And it's it's made from Silicates which makes it through plastic plus a kind of flowering substance which can be filled. Spar were in china. Something called petunia stone. It can be mixed with alabaster cords. There are actually many different recipes for for hard paste porcelain though The only a few of them actually work and can't be fired in. That was one of the great tricks of the invention. No you spend a lotta time. Educating the reader about serve the state of play and pottery prior to seventeen o nine in europe and. i think it's really important because otherwise we don't understand what a revolution this is An we'll see this revolution just in terms of science. Algae has lots of far reaching implications since we're dealing with really. This is kind of the beginning of what we recognize. Chemistry but European pottery. Like before before the this recreation of porcelain and saxony. It's very very this one of the stories that i tell through. The book is about the diversity of different kinds of ceramics and their different uses so by no means was porcelain ever the most produced or the most popular form of ceramics earth wear and then something called fayence which is a fine grade of earth wear was much more popular because it's much cheaper easier to make And much more tila -tarian so even before porcelain is invented Reinvented rather in in europe. Heart pace porcelain their various grades. Ceramics majolica errors finance there's something called soft paste porcelain which is fired at a lower temperature and has different components in it There are forbes of stoneware which are very popular in in northern germany for example so never porcelain the only ceramics in play but it comes in as the finest grade in the most desirable for a leak consumers so by the late century of not before Porcelain has been popular in the islamic world. And it's leaking its way into europe. you have i mean there's so many little tidbits in this For example the fact that because of raiding spanish ships which were by that time. trading from noah was the i had twice as much porcelain as holy roman emperor who was a considerably. I would've richard than her yet When the dutch east india company starts trading It real the market explodes. I mean it's really astounding. Saving sixteen thirties. The dutch are importing. True hundred thousand pieces a year. It's extraordinary and a lot of that is actually not the finest grade or the top quality of course alarmed largest actually ballast on coming through the shipping trade which is carrying more precious commodities like pepper Were other spices. Bud portland makes. An excellent balance is very heavy. it doesn't get destroyed. The gets wet and serve. Many of those pieces of porcelain came as sort of an extra bonus to the dutch shippers because they could then auction them off when they arrived and make a make a fortune off of their not to mention their other commodities. So is there sufficient. It might be balanced but is there sufficient economic interest in this in this in porcelain to urge people to find out how to recreate definitely. There are many european princes who began to compete for the largest collection and the most extravagant pieces of east asian porcelain. They begin commissioning. Works from the chinese Sets with their own. Let's crest or coat of arms on them or in certain patterns and a certain princes in europe begin to spend quite a lot of money on those imports. So the the watchful the economic ministers ministers look at this and they say oh if only we could cut out the dutch and cut out the chinese producers produce our own we too could have a huge luxury industry And get boost to our economy in this way. So there's a kind of race by the end of the seventeenth early eighteenth century to try to find the recipe that will replicate what the chinese have made. And it's very fascinating series of experiments. People do using shells broken glass and all kinds of other things to try to replicate the recipe so enter A cast of characters and story. Which i think i thought as i read it. You must have really enjoyed writing about it. frederick sorry. It's a who's the elector of saxony Is augusta strong. The five foot nine the half the saxon her healy's who supposedly can bend horseshoes toss a fox all by himself into fox tossing them a bit And fathers four hundred and fifty illegitimate children. Only one legitimate one. I think which is some pair of record is where my professors said. One of them was bound to make good on the so. We've got this character and enter a bunch of people and it's out of the hans christian andersen fairy tale. Could you set this up for us and y saxony and how this comes about in this fascinating connection to alchemy and magic absolutely First of all why saxony of sexy was an extremely rich state at the time. It was a place where there were many skilled tech a artisans of various kinds including glassmakers many of them bohemian in the uk men last industry is quite famous in. It's own right. On many metalworkers. Various kinds there was a big luxury market there but especially a market court. Because augustus himself was a huge porcelain fanatic and was a spending many many At the time florins a year or one Porcelain however the way the invention worked was almost an accident It starts with a big brag going role on when at the apothecary assisted working in prussia to anyone who will listen to him that he can actually make gold. That he is an alchemist and those the secret to the magic of turning base metals into gold. Well this gets him locked up by the By the king of prussia not so much because he is accused of fraud because the king wants him to replicate the recipe so he can benefit from this making gold and butter. As the name of s- the young apothecary assisted escapes only to be re imprison as he crossed order by augustus. The strong who also wants the alchemist in his own pay wants him to make gold rather like the the princess in rumpelstiltskin and so Butcher is imprisoned for a number of years Trying to make gold given all sorts of equipment and capital and technical assistance and he still can't do it He fails over it again. And finally i think probably at the suggestion of another court scientists. Who has come to help him. He loose in the direction of trying to do something else that requires chemistry and high heat. That is making hard paste porcelain that point experiments on porcelain begin. It takes some time to get those right and without the capital provided by augusta. Strong this could never happen. So that's another Have been saxony. Bit finally forced the The leave red clay porcelain succeeds and then butter manages to fire some white porcelain By seventeen away. And that's the moment at which Augustus is really pleased and sees the possibility for founding a real industry and not only supplying his own needs but supplying those of courtiers throughout europe. So this feeds into what you interest intricate description than in your book of the mercantilist system of central europe. The german states. Could you explain that because that is another lost economic world. Obvious when got to see this. It's not just as a porcelain hot fanatic. I mean what's a real porcelain fanatic but as someone who sees his chance and wants to take it right on so in in seventeenth century france First real economic philosophy is launched by Puzzle albert the minister of finance essentially for louis the thirteenth fourteenth. And one of the things that he believes is that states can do well by producing their own commodities. A not spending money on importing luxury goods in particular He's also deeply interested in developing local industries to create. Let's say good job sweet. Know about that philosophy these days of good jobs here at home and he he develops a policy that also often involves the use of colonies for raw materials so that the home country can produce the higher value finished goods and then export those. So it's a it's a philosophy in which the state invest in certain things or even own certain industries so that it can encourage things at home put tariffs on imports and make money on exports. And that's exactly the philosophy that many of these saxon princes including augusta's adopt and adopted against one another. We have to remember that in disgusting. The early eighteenth century in saxony saxony is part of the holy roman empire of three hundred thirty. Some small states all of them competing with each other both economically but also in terms of prestige. So this is one of the ways. In which the german states really become active producers of porcelain in many different of these principalities. Because they're seeking both economic advantage through this mercantile endeavor and they're seeking prestige for themselves as estates that are notorious for their refinement in their taste and their jobs. You mentioned that augusta's seize the opportunity to To supply court culture which indicates that the what the market is like porcelain in the in the eighteenth century early century. This is not about Plates for dining. It's something else entirely in which another thing i did. Not know Could you explain what the market is porcelain in the in the early eighteen century And how this is It's so related to the cultural ecosystem of these three hundred fifty. German states sure So in let's say seventeen hundred The drinking tea and coffee is coming in very fast in the netherlands in In germany germany in in france and especially in england it comes more slowly to central europe. But there are some beginnings of the desire to have vessels that will hold the new hot liquids tea coffee chocolate but primarily what on porcelain is being used for in central europe is for decoration for putting on the walls as a kind of a display of wealth and as a kind of panorama of materials or even as in the beautiful porcelain room in charlottenburg in. I'm in berlin. Schloss charlottenburg as a kind of porcelain cabinet or porcelain room to vote it entirely two pieces of porcelain placed on the walls in in decorative patterns. And that's what i german princes and courtiers are doing for the most part with their porcelain. They might use a little bit of it for coffey services or perhaps for dessert but mostly on the demand is for display and for a kind of refined tasteful decoration of the courtly interior. So it's it's not. It's not a question of You know the necessity is the mother of invention in this respect. That is you have hot liquid. You must have things to put them in a really. This is an invention pushed by the desire for luxury and display. That's my you in any kind. It's a Porcelains a new artistic medium. At the time will it's the of course they have east asian porcelain which has been used horslen cabinets but But it is now something that can attract attention on. It can be a way of also showing sort of your ability to afford useless things like a monkey or the monkey orchestra right exactly an like those figurines which are Really invented to go on the dining tables as decoration Like the whole menagerie of animals. That augusta's commissions for What he hopes will be great palace of porcelain. Never it's needed but many of those animals are made nearly life size. It horslen tech. Beat it is johan kandla who struggles with the technical challenges of making near life sized goes and slender necked herons. Ju i had just absolute no idea that took touch thing was being done. I mean this is extrordinary. That people are trying to make these things. It took a lot of trial and error for sure were on took an immense amount of technical sophistication to make those animals and to produce them without cracks for example or without them slumping and killed on. It's really quite an extraordinary feat that that people were able to do such things and mind you. This is also a period in which is very hard to control or know exactly on the temperature of your your kill so um to actually fire such thing and have it succeed is really an extraordinary feat so augustus and what what seize the market at the strange and fifty little courts large and small courts throughout germany and beyond germany And so from the very beginning. There's this attempt as you say a one point two square the circle of Of art of artistic excellence of the kind that is required to make those those animals or the eight meter tall mirror which they made for louis the fifteenth make these extraordinary objects out of porcelain at same time. You're actually trying to sell the stuff. This is not just us michelangelo or raphael. Do on commission for patron. This is actually trying to get into a market however verified and trying to square that circle. His exceedingly difficult throughout the entire history of parcel. Indeed is one of the things that i learned in the course of working on this project to see reflections of in our own day so for example when One of our luxury brands. Let's say you know gucci or yves. Saint laurel produces runway goods. The sort of commissioned special goods they also have to keep their Their bottom line safe by producing a lot of the sort of knockoff or lower Lower level brands. that are also more utilitarian. Let's say The blue suits not just the spectacular Clothes on the runway and similarly these manufacturers in the eighteenth century already realized that they could only manage to continue to create pros eight foot tall mirrors and porcelain goats if they also sold everyday. Where's cups and saucers that waits pipes. And that was kind of market strategy that remarkably early these porcelain manufacturers figured out how to manage of course not all of them did one of the stories that i tell in the book over and over again is a story of business failure. And so many of these These porcelain manufacturers went out of business were bailed out by their princes had to have loans to tide them over a. It's a real lesson in. Just how much business failure there is alongside those few successes that we we hear about usually business failures leave little historical trace and so we. We overlooked them but on this was an industry in which a lot of people tried and failed to find the right recipe. Well speaking of which the saxon a postal worker meyson which is literally a castle. I guess to keep everyone a locked up of all the better. But you've got this tremendous problem. You wished to have this golden goose that lays golden eggs. And you wanna confining your kingdom is like another it is like unfairly tale And you don't want anyone else to figure out where this porcelain house made yet. How do you keep the skilled workmen. Who have to learn how to do this. Trait how do you keep them. Locked up how to keep from happy and eventually the secret will outs and it does. And it spreads hither and yon you describe that sir process cassettes. This whole industry nice thing and the spread of porcelain tube to country after country in factory after factory is ugly fascinating. It's a great story one. That makes me laugh. Every time i think about it as it's just human nature replicated again and again so far with craftsmen who are either disappointed in their pay or pointed in their status. What happens to them. They run away from the lockup in the castle and they sell their secret elsewhere. they're also plenty of people who immediately become charlatans wandering around telling prince's they know how to make porcelain when in fact they don't know how to make porcelain so they survive a couple of years. They try this and that and and hope that they'll succeed and when most don't they are people who get drunken divulge the secret while they're in their cups There are family members who were bribed or seduced into giving up the secret. It's some it's just a kind of a series of stories that remind you of. Just how fallible human nature in secret keeping is and eventually there are publications that begin to also laid out more or less the secret. But when think elvis kind of interesting to me about this whole secret businesses that even Many of those who technically know how to make porcelain at least in one place fail elsewhere because they have the kiln just right preps. They know about chemical mixture. A were never on watching carefully. How to build kill or the water is different and sand quality of different somewhere else Or there is no access to the right kind of clay so there. There are many on of these problems that don't have to do entirely with knowing or not knowing the secret but just with having the the technical Flexibility of mind and the experimental conditions. Under which you can reproduce were recreated someway a recipe that worked elsewhere. It's such an interesting moment in history of science and technology because these people are i mean here. We begun with with people. These are the are conham. They have secrets. They have a secret to bring and yet They're they're experimental methods are always up to snuff. And they don't realize difference between the they had some of them have no way of of analyzing the water or the nature of the kale in the deposits center are in the area and so on I suspect that A lot of their reps to figure those things out are contributing to the standardization of chemical techniques throughout central europe. Yes to a certain extent yes and actually one of the things. I really didn't have any notion about when i started into project was how important. Chemistry becomes to certain forms of mass production in central europe. There is not very much capital. Labor is a lot cheaper than machines which mostly have to be imported from british isles or very expensive to build and so there's a lot of dependence on labor and on animal power that goes right through the nineteenth century. It's late that That many's driven appliances are added to this. This this industry and what does come in to help. Sheep in the production once competition really gets going is chemistry to make a paste. Cheaper to make to make the gilding cheaper to apply to Also invent new colors of lay's that will give you an edge over your competitors so First artisanal and then increasingly more academic forms of chemistry really transform this industry in ways that go beyond the machines or sure. You're right that By focusing on porcelain a we can obtain a better view of other aspects of central europe economic modernization. That are often left out of. What are those aspects. well many One two things that you noticed if you start reading the literature on the industrial revolution is just how much of it is about. Great britain on and then secondarily the united states or perhaps france made me belgium. The german states central europe. in general. it's a very short shrift in those histories and They this is partly because their trajectories. Don't match exactly the others for some of the reasons. I just gave about labor and machines but for a number of other reasons like political and economic fragmentation and the persistence of craft traditions and luxury industries that That fit in and around the larger industrial enterprises like textile manufacturing or on steelmaking Or cotton production. All of those things are crucial. Of course they're central to industrial development but in central europe. One could make the case. I think that some of these other industries are equally important and need to be studied in a different way than we have studied the heavy industrial goods. So we could turn to the study of. Let's say book production or saddles or silk. Hats or glassware all sorts of other smaller industries that become more and more productive and change over the course of the nineteenth century but are not the same thing and do not concentrate either labor capital in the same way as textiles or cole. Let's say The i suppose the other Particularly with regards to Focusing the industrial revolution. In britain america we have a completely different way of financing These firms and organizing these firms I don't will get to wedgwood second. I'll put up a pin that To talk about that different spot One thing i'm interested to see his is the emphasis you gave to certain periods which you believe are unjustly neglected because they don't fit into the usual On to say political local culture narrative that many of many stories of central europe One of these periods is after the seven years war. She argue was immensely important to the economy inciting the culture of central europe. How how does that reflected in the history porcelain. Well this is a period. That's really crucial. To the history of the industry. It's period in which competition increases greatly at in which there's a kind of financial squeeze as prince's began to pull back from their mercantile industries and various manufacturers began to fail on and there's a just a greater sort of global on exchange of capital by that point thanks to atlantic shipping. Thanks to dutch. Thanks to many other. Different factors. But we rarely. I think focused on that period. Because we're in a rush to get to the french revolution in wars and so this period of sorts laid absolutism and mercantile on development but also challenges to that system. There's a Also something going. On particularly in central europe known as cameras which is the really the application of various kinds of efficiency in sciences of accounting to the process of of governance and on and manufacturing new mapping techniques for example and new efficiencies imposed by ministers and bureaucrats who now have training or keeping statistics all of those things changed the nature of the market and they begin to really create Something like i wouldn't say in highly but something like an international market in which now the german states begin to participate in various of their sectors but But especially i think in those slower luxury goods and books as well. And that's that's a really interesting moment to contemplate and to To put on our radar screens. And i think it's worth us on thinking about how we've chopped up things in the past and how we might. We might start new trajectories in the future now. Is there a talking to serve the growing coffee market and sort of Is there a a growing up. Mumbai bourgeois market for porcelain by this time. Or is it still it. By seventeen sixty seventy seventies is it still confined to primarily to court culture. It is growing. It's not yet very large. But it is growing precisely for the reasons that you on the to underline by this point. More and more germans are drinking coffee and t but especially coffee and that becomes a reason. Now for middle-class people to rely more utilitarian good that is porcelain in it's cheaper forms. Most of them would would by fans by the way or wear not porcelain but there is a there is some new interest in having those kinds of goods. It's also the case. That person is starting to be made available at cheaper prices at least the lower grades so it becomes a bit more affordable as also. The society gets a bit richer. If we talk about the german states you know before. Seventeen twenty Before seventeen forty consumers there are really quite poor and most of them cannot afford much in the way of luxury goods only by the end of the eighteenth century. Do we begin to see a few more people able to afford things. Like porcelain including people who are let's say state officials or commercial businessman or or craftsman So you do get a bit of an expansion. But it's not it's not a vast at market as of yet and one of the interesting juxtaposition of at least for me. I was thinking about it. Is the the salesman and marketing abilities. Frederick the great versus ziya wedgewood Frederick the great not Has uneven an uneven sense of the consumer market was it that way his He hates a coffee and sternly advocates beer soup which i had look up. Beer super sounds delicious. Smashed short for breakfast But On the other hand we this for certainly for german porcelain for kinda porcelain. The tiger in this in the road is a wedgewood. I don't we. Were supposed to be talking about germany here so i won't spend too much time talking about this fascinating guy but a half to talk about him a little bit. So who is he. And what does he do to transform the porcelain marketplace which is a british potter king on grew up in a family of potters and takes over the business. But he's a very enterprising young person on who also has some very good connections to the To the world of tastes making and as it happens also to the world of early industry and so he He really puts a great deal of effort into a number of aspects of the business that had not been previously emphasize one of which is marketing Which he manages to do i by getting queen to to own some of his his porcelain and then he's interested in what the the taste makers of the day might like in terms of style He's one of the first to really take advantage of neoclassical styles on at he manages to adopt himself to what we might call the fashion cycle He is someone who does believe. There are tasteful and not tasteful things but he's willing to make things that he doesn't particularly want to make if they'll sell on and that's one of these crucial moments which you see. The industry began to revolve around what sells and what consumers want as opposed to what the artisans want to make or or even worse. Prince wants them to make him with the prince. Wants his people to buy exactly exactly. It's a move of taste from the the The high a. makers of on luxury goods and their their patrons to a market driven idea of what taste looks like so one of the stories that's told about wedgewood. I think very importantly is that his wife. Sally sat within in his his porcelain Studio and Advised him on what kinds of tastes women might prefer and she helped him. Also keep track of his many many many experiments and that was another piece of of Wedgewood genius that surely cannot be discounted as that. He worked very hard on a chemical inventions in order to perfect. Either the The strength of his vessels or their design and by the combination of the marketing and the the chemical experimentation. He managed to build his business into a great competitor. Now i misspoke l. I wanna correct that before on listeners. Get angry with me. And that is to say that that wedgewood did not actually make porcelain in the way that i the beginning. He made a fine grade of earth. Wear which was cheaper to make than porcelain didn't have the same ingredients however as european porcelain. Naught fired at that high temperature. It competed very very Heavily with porcelain but But just i would. Which would was not making hard paste porcelain. So he combines in in one person one and once one company amazing set of talents. The scientific which is often emphasized As you point out he combines that however with this marketing genius and An ability a an amazing ability and sensitivity to read the market. And see where it's going and somehow be ahead of it and be card. He's an honor guard neo-classicist at the time even though he's of follow he's he scene where the market is going and he gets there first It's amazing of tounsi. Has i mean and this adaptability despite being a very strict methodist and a man who believes in things as you say not just aesthetic said there is a there is something there are beautiful things things. He believes very strongly. He's also a strict methodist and abolitionist. Famously in the in the in american case create twelve. The greatest abolitionists a piece of propaganda. the plate of of a slave chain saint brother So this is all bound up one man and it creates a hell of a problem for german porcelain manufacturers as to how they responded in one of the things that wedgewood was also good at a by the way. This is by no means my own research neil. Mckendrick worked wonderfully on On which would many years ago and used the aspiration that wedgwood had become a c- called it face maker to the universe as part of his description of this extraordinary character in any event Which really did try to break into the european market in In ways that were very disturbing to the german princes on most notoriously and he sent porcelain to all sorts of people as a sort of loss leader to show off how great his stuff wasn't as an equal others but he also sold at a cheaper price that was great source of difficulty to to mizen and to the berlin manufacturers the kpm royal forsling manufacturer of prussia because they're processing methods. Their artisans were very Well paid on the whole at least at the upper end and their wastage was great. They were not as flexible as wedgwood. Didn't change their fashions quickly enough and so they began to really suffer. The consequences of the the competition wedgewood and even tariffs couldn't keep out on wedgewood products. That meant that they really had to adjust and many of them just took to imitating westwood's designs a and even imitating some of marketing to although that was much less in tatum designs you say capitalism did not conquer central europe put a fight indeed in some cases. It did not conquer at all. Do you mean is part of that. Fight the tariffs of the merck telesystem or we him something else. The tariffs on the state supported industry. Part as well as what was Part of the behind of what was behind that statement. Many of those businesses those porcelain businesses continued to be owned by separate states and funded by them right into the nineteenth century and a few of them right into the twentieth. Twenty first century i was i had no idea the meissner stolen by the saxon state was just amazing to find that out by the end of the book. It is the the one last one that has been continuously state owned. And as i mentioned in the last part of the book. It's also in terrible financial trouble again as it has been periodically in its history. And so one. We'll see you know if the if the state continues to fund it. It's a it's a question it's not a foregone conclusion. So as adam smith Point out at the time These firms have a really hard time respond to market signals be. So let's go to the next sir that we should skip. We're going to be skipping over Really important sections of history here by wanted to get to the other part that really fascinated me which they making threes which you say serve as in the wake of the seven years war at these are really unjustly neglected by german and european historians who were eager to get eighteen. Forty eight hurry up. Hurry up teaching forty eight. So let's go. Through some of the political economic bureaucratic and cultural changes of that period now reflected in porcelain one of my favorite sections of the book is called a porcelain in the gimblett is the finance ministry. And it's out ways in which after the napoleonic wars. The states have to tighten their belts and crackdown on these luxury industries. Which are losing money after the end of aristocratic consumption has really begun and That belt tightening produces a lot of changes. It produces changes in how labor's compensated. It produces changes in The way the the manufacturers are run increasingly by chemists rather than by artisans it produces new forms of batch production not really full on mass production but organization of the labor and materials in ways that That are supposed to be more efficient. It introduces us coal rather than would in the firing of least many of the manufacturers and it also who is a moment at which manufacturers do realize that they are going to have to take consumer choice into their Into their purview. And it's tough. A lot of these manufacturers are used to producing for aristocrats who who commission works there used to producing Art work that they respect as being concocting edged in the art world and now they're being forced to produce things they find ugly or old fashioned and it's at this point that in fact A kind of of Of the mice manufacturing particular begins by way of reproducing old eighteenth century models rather than going forward. In time that is they are now going to have to produce more and more roco codes. Shepherd s.'s Which does not make the artisans. Happy but it saves the bottom line and this will be a long term issue at mizen where Where the artists usually want to move forward and get with their times but the consumer say no what you did. Best were those eighteenth century monkey and shepherdess since and this is still true. Today was true during the period of the german democratic republic. So we have this ironic issue at that point of a communist enterprise producing luxury goods that that were modeled on absolutist era taste But it is the bottom line that finally this point begins to really count and that transforms this industry and so many others. That's one reason. I think that that we we need to rethink this period son. It's a period in which we We have again focused too much just on textiles or on the so-called in restoration of the monarchy. In fact a lot of other things are happening. And it's a much more dynamic world than we get credit for speaking a section porcelain. The giblet is of the finance ministry. You provide on patriots. Seventy four very helpful table. Explaining the mr minders of k. p. m. which is the prussian porcelain manufacturer which frederick the great and set up or was it his dad. One of them Figuring and there are a lot of it is at seventeen seven hundred ten eighteen fifteen thousand seventeen eighteen twenty five eighteen thirty four thousand three five eighteen three seven eight forty eight eighteen seventy nine and one of those years. It changes the ministry responsible for. Kpmg changes what accounts for this and is this typical in other Further porcelain serve state owned lament investors. I think it is fairly typical although maybe not to that degree and what's happening is that the state owned manufacturers are now really Problem children. Somebody's got a mind them and make sure they're efficient but no None of the bureaucratic Departments are really very clean about having to do that. it's it's difficult and the manufacturers tape keeps saying to them. We can't operate like an officiant textile business. Because we're producers of fine art. We produce luxury goods. You can't expect us just to To beat the bottom line and the ministries keep saying. Why don't you act more like a business. It's actually a you know a moment in the book that reminds me of the current debate In universities with our nation say. Why don't you run more like a business and we say because we're not a normal business and no one is ever going to win that battle. I fear but it's It's just constant a kind of a conflict between a market driven world and one in which the production is not simply an only for for the market of what we call lose that data our but that's that's another thing but the extraordinary thing is that here. Textile manufacturers are rising and falling all around them but yet porcelain because of its genesis. Apparently because of its the creation myth as as it were Is too precious to be allowed in. No one's saying hey. Kpm you'd have to go private so now it's the expression of the genius of the state and it must be preserved mostly although they're big fights it's entry in which members of parliament began to say exactly this that we don't need this. It ought to be private. It cost much money and in fact in austria those liberal voices in the classical liberal sense actually win and the manufacturers closed because it's losing too much money but you're quite right in saxony and impresa The the the manufacturers convince the political elite that this is a state cultural institutions. It's also true in munich in Very at that. These must be preserved because it's part of our cultural heritage and that begins a new chapter in the way in which porcelain gets wrapped into a kind of provincial pride if not national pride such that That the nymph unbear- manufactory cannot be allowed to close because it is part of the the identity way of Bavarians and same thing for mizen and the saxons those manufacturers then also begin to produce a whole lot of of goods that Respect that that kind of loyalty a scenic plates were of cups that have the the king's face on them and those sorts of things commemorative goods and it becomes really a inextricable with that provincial. Kind of identity which is is something quite quite specific i think to central europe. Where people do feel very strongly about their provincial loyalty. Perhaps even more strongly than their national loyalty at least for a while and this is also chapter. Five this is the this is part of the fact that townsend caesar small blah even after the after the end of the napoleonic worse We focus on sir. The liberal nationalists Thinking about a new germany but these people want to know about their place they wanna have pictures their place they wanna have pottery or porcelain from their place reflects there'd is and also it's It's just part of their pride in that particular place that it can produce high quality porcelain and and beautiful objects that can be so sold throughout the world And that sort of advertises. Their their taste and refinement. You speak about the beater. meyer moment. this is there. Is there immediately after the conclusion of the eighteen. Fifteen the conclusion that plaque wars is a really a a flood of abortion consumers or flooding at plenty into the shops to buy up a porcelain What's what's beater mireles impersonal. It takes a while People are quite poor an eighteen fifteen starvation in eighteen. Sixteen seventeen But by the eighteen thirties there are some people who can afford slowly luxury goods and also mind. The prices are falling for some of these good at so that also makes them relatively more affordable but what people are buying are are relatively modest things. a few teacups a teapot Porcelain pipes become all the rage. Something called litho fame which is a kind of display put in front of a lamp. Those are are A few little goods that people put into their their salons to decorate with it's It's a minor on sort of consumption compared to aristocratic buying at its minor compared to let's say the eighteen seventies eighties when you start to get really crowded bourgeois rooms full of cheese and all sorts but it begins in that period and i think we have not given enough attention to the the way in which those consumers begin to exert some of their own taste and their own humor. I found a lot of humorous. Are or they begin to want to give a little more comfort and and luxury to their households in very small ways But it soon enough to begin to really create more demand and an expansion of the private Porcelain manufacturers at that point really begins to take off and that are the story. The later nineteenth century is The babble that then is waged between the private makers and the State makers which is one hands down by the private makers because the great the great porcelain wars of bill homing germany and and what they resulted the stories very complicated there. Lots of little manufacturers and bigger ones that develop but But by the later nineteenth century while mizen are producing a mostly a high end. An artistic porcelains these other manufacturers. Come in to really take advantage of that Market and even the lower class market for very plain porcelains and they also began producing all kinds of other household goods like floor tiles doorknobs. They produce insulators for the For the telegraph on Industry in for the railroad industry and they begin to produce porcelain teeth all sorts of different uses of porcelain come in and the private makers expand their businesses and become more and more oriented to mass production and they can do it were cheaply because of their larger market and a Add more and more workers And more and more machines creating real mass production than at that point and that makes those older makers still the producers of the most famous porcelains but they increasingly have a smaller and smaller market share. When you look at the statistics so it's certainly by the time of the first world war mizen. Kpm infant baruch are producing a very small proportion of porcelain sold overall. I want to get back something as we close up the conversation to southern we just touched on brickland task you at the beginning which is how in the heck did you come to this topic. as i look at your lsu factly page. I can see. You're working on interpretations of herodotus and and and stuff on the history of the humanities and modern germany and this doesn't seem to have a whole lot to do with porcelain so How did you come to this topic and And how long does this take to assimilate this immense amount of reading and stuff that you've put into this book which is a five hundred page book if you count the notes which we should. I blame museums of time at provincial museums and I think perhaps the inspiration for this one came in visiting the silver cabinet of the habsburg monarchy in vienna. Where i just thought wow. There is so much of this stuff and it's so diverse. How in the world did all of this get made. And how was. It used commissioned at all and i began to look into the The industry in the hopes that i could also do a little bit of testing about popular. Taste that my answer. Some of the questions. I had in my work on the history of classical antiquity. and it's it's It's a reception and oriental scholarship. And it's it's reception. I couldn't entirely do that. Although i made a few stabs at it but then i got seduced by the business history of the manufacturers and by what it could tell me more generally about the whole of central european economic history which can be dreadfully dull to read on some a of those accounts on. I thought this might be more lively way of putting something really important back in the conversation. That's economic history which i think has been revenue neglected up particularly for central european history on but But definitely deserves to have more. Light shone on it. Also this project vindicates fifty years of shopping around that i have have finally put my You know some of my evocations together with my with my scholarly life. Yeah i was struck by you said that the economic historians journey have neglected the study of consumption rather than critique of consumption. They haven't neglected that. They neglected the state. Consumption itself And they've also neglected economic history. Could you explain that. I mean it seems. I was surprised to read that well. I shouldn't shouldn't say this as a global statement because of course there are many important economic histories of germany but they do tend to focus all in those ferry big ticket items and heavy industries. And i think that that part of this is a a well intentioned and perhaps crucial focus that german history has taken up since the second world war on politics and on the question of how could Nazism happen here so german. History has had a particular bias toward big serious questions. Many of them Central political and when economy enters into that. of course. that's been part of the set of questions. But i think german stories in particular have been a little bit hesitant to work on things that seemed frivolous or superficial somehow and somehow the history of consumption particularly before the twentieth century has seen that way there are now some very fine works on the history of consumption in the twentieth century particularly post nineteen forty-five for for germany and central europe but But the seventeenth through the nineteenth centuries. I think we have a lot of work to a lot of great sources that we still have to mine since departure from the stuff that From electorate for sure by state material culture. What have you learned about thinking historically. We're thinking about a history through material culture. Because i was a. I think it's wonderful. How you related ideas and intellectual culture to the material This was a new departure for you. And what did you learn by doing that. It's hard to even It summarize because i learned so much about the the actual on life that that The people lived. I think i learned that History has been too little part of what i have done. And there's so much rich material to discover about on the way in which people interacted with each other. Eight their table manners and their Their family gatherings their gift giving their their Aesthetic behavior just in the home on all sorts of things that i had never investigated for a kind of popular audience as opposed to to the lee. And i guess. I also realized that there are there. Certain ways in to economic history That can be Can be used by people who are not hard core economic list So that it's not. It's somewhat daunting to try this. But it's not impossible to retrain yourself a little bit and it's very exciting to do that. I think that's maybe the biggest takeaway that i had was that You can teach old dog tray at some point. And it's very very useful you retrain yourself or to attempt a new field even at the The advanced age of i am but it. It really does renew your teaching on and it renews. You're you were Interested in history to open it up in ways that you hadn't hadn't thought of before and to take that material culture seriously one last thing i'll say on that front is that i've always said in. Its i think true. This project to historians can do certain things that other other professions and or fields can't do so we can take seriously bad art. We take seriously the The production of a musical instruments or musical scores. That didn't go much of anywhere businesses. that failed We don't have to put beautiful objects on display as museum curator's need to do or to to really give the The most beautiful objects the center stage we can write about insulator tubes and and teeth and floor tiles and that is something that i think is really an opportunity that we have that we can We can write about things that are either failures or or less than Then perfect examples and try to create a world around that and explain that more more humdrum but also more perhaps Essential of way that we have lived in. We do live. Well as i said the beginning of the conversation i never get to snaps about porcelain. Probably before i'm one of those people you mentioned into the direction about a generation younger than you more or less sensitive age and i I'm whether i didn't we didn't ask for porcelain at our wedding. Why my wife. And i got married. It never really entered my mind much And yet when i finished this book i felt a sense of loss Because it looks like we're reaching the end of porcelains history and it kind of sad You have over all those hundreds of pages. You depicted this this such a rich These over uses word rich ecosystem. It's like an amazon ecosystem. That's danger of dying. And i it. It made me feel sad. Did you feel sad when you finish writing the book. In addition to the serbs jubilation finishing did know there were a number of those quotations in the last part of the work that really felt on felt melancholy to me and i tried to end with a with a hope fall. Perhaps it's not over kind of Philip but it is. It is an industry that seems hard to imagine reviving now. I do believe that that the artistic and of porcelain will certainly survive edmund divall who's written about porcelain beautifully continues to make beautiful artistic person as to other artists on and i believe that we will continue to have ceramics of various sorts. Utilitarian as they are but what is the future particularly of european porcelain and european porcelain crabs. And maybe this is something we're losing and many other industries too is is just the craft of of making some things particularly making them not for the most elite of consumers but for us more middle class type people Who wanted and had at some point a little luxury in their lives. Maybe lear were only interested in a different kind luxury now and Luxury consumption does shift from object to object so perhaps craft will go into other kinds of goods but it some it is a bit a bit sobering to see just what has happened to this industry and how threatened it is today. I guess today has been susanne l. 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This is such an interesting niche. That you have i just remember i just like i love the mindset of someone that just like finds a thing in just like starts like digging into it on their own like a ton in find like like i've been going through a sloth phase recently just like obsessing about sloss schloss than any normal person should and you just well. What's so peculiar is that you were like in australia. The biggest a police state or whatever not many guns or anything else and you just found yourself like obsessed with the ins and outs and the workings of kind of security and gun safety all these things and you're like i gotta get to america. That's right did i. did i. sum it up okay. Was that a fair. Yeah pretty awesome. A much more restrictive than they are in the united states in a lot of places around the world. And that's because becky. I'm not very good with the dates but eighties nineties those a couple of mass shootings big even by american standards by modern american standards and they they really stood out in the government at that time just said enough and that the gun laws would never like people could never have seen that they have here in america even then but it was it was Guns were more accessible debts on. They had kind of moratorium day. They banned lots of different kinds of guns. They had a gun buyback where they were they. Were gonna take certain kinds of guns. You could get your money back and you take them to displace the head Crushing cutting shane. The coming off. Right in front of you and give you some money for them and you know it's. It's not easy to have guns legally in australia. At the moment you've got to have a reason to have them and so self defense is not a reason. There is no have gun for self defense does seem like your gonna and you need pest control Your security guard. Or you're a hunter or your collective. There's not an offer sporting Your target shooter apart from that. There's not very much does not many other ways. As far as i know you can lead legally have a gun is registered contact. The police can come and check on how you storing the guns and they do come and do that in. You've got to be members of member of a club conscious. If you are sporting shoot up you have to be a member of a club that does targeting. You conscious headed by yourself. So it's it's it's a different. It's a different kind of set. Yeah did it wasn't even just that you like had some like love of of like cons like in the way that you'd think like streaming like being hembo or something you you just you. It's know you ever read. It wasn't a big part of our childhood raid the book. I blood analysis. What the movie. That is a really good book. A dozen end like the medians He dies at the end zone outside spoiler alert. That was really. That was really coke. Now that that was that was much altered. But i'm kind of cini on. I'm never gonna be rambler. Oh yeah but you The point is is that. It's not. I mean i imagine you probably like going for target practice but it was more. It was more of just like you really liked just understanding the various concepts of all kinds of security related things and cameras and they just the idea that and and got researching it. And and you're almost kind of our self taught right if i remember and then and then went and pursued degrees. That would allow you to further. But i think that's a good way of describing. I was getting every books that i could beck than the was kind of related to to the stuff. There wasn't wasn't much out there. I still don't think this that much out. That i was getting what was what was available and that was before internet before amazon so sometimes took a long a long time to get stuff. But you're becky walk uphill both ways to the local library. Yeah that's what i did. And i i really didn't Get into academic stuff. I didn't even think of that dead at all. And i you know. I don't wanna rehash account remember. It doesn't matter told you just assume no one or a member of the first one because we have a lot of new listeners. And it's been a couple of years now. he so. My first undergraduate degree was in human movement in australia. That's what we call kinesiology. Sports science. That kind of thing and i remember at the time that i had a friend who are studying with an she was doing union movement but she was also doing another major. She's doing distinct thing called psychology. And i remember thinking probably saying to her. Why would you study psychology at just at just sounds terrible people in it problems in case i want to get into the head of someone who would want to study psychology just so i could know what they were thinking. Now i was. I was into the whole muscle stuff in exercise physiology by mechanics. I have a clue about anything that was happening in in people's heads wasn't interested in it. And then you know i felt pretty stupid many years later when i finally got into a police insecurity stuff in season making and i eventually just receiving online clumsily looking for stuff ended up finding a guy who had been in academia and then had moved on research company doing decision making a stuff and he'd written a book and it was exactly what you said about the library right going uphill both both ways to the library. I found out this book existed this amazon or anything like that so i went online at that time and looked which library had that book and it was the state library of victoria. That's where i'm from australia in melbourne. And so the next day i took a tram had to walk a little bit but translating uphill and went to the library found. The book said their read. The book vandam. That was my start of my journey. Because i didn't wrote after i read the book said i think i finally found the senior interested in and so i said that company an email and i said hey if you want if i want to do this kind of stuff. How do i get into this area. And they said well go inside psychology. And i thought oh okay now. I remember when. I thought that sounded like the craziest idea ever. But that's that's that's what i did. I kind of went back to university in and start at the beginning incites psychology fan and then ended up meeting to the united states because in a strategy was just not really any way to to do that kind of research. The police forces organized very differently. They're they're organized on a state level not on a very local level so this really non forgetting how many states there aren't strategy which is terrible blessings that this eight states and territories so there's really police forces Every police force is huge and they all have the same uniform. That guns L. train at the same place to eat within each within each state police agency and they're very kind of closed to the public. I would say it's really not easy to make connections with them for the purposes of doing research and so. I did try to do that a little bit when i was in australia. When i was doing my undergraduate studies in didn't have much success. And i i had the opportunity to stay there and study five five decision. Making old fis happening out on the west coast Aware happening on the west coast of the united states. So that's just been constantly strategy for many many years. But we call them bush fires and so i did a little bit of research in that area with firefighting but i didn't want do that for my phd. I wanted to police stuff. So america was so so america. Police are just lecture. Sure come in. We'll show you oil. Here's where restore all the drugs. You take a piece and they go into schools. K kids little more bill bar welcoming sure me too. Drugs have got to see too much of a nerd. That i've i've i've been to the drug but you know it it's funny because it's kind of. It's kind of a double edged sword. They are much more open than police agencies industry at least in my experience in in general in the united states at the same time. There's a lot of people who are very skeptical about university. Researches terrible liberal people As as we're seeing that sierra seems to be a very political democrats against Against police or whatever and then there's An colleges are this these liberal academic institutions and sell. You might if you were looking at at the you know the biggest cliche brushes of of anger whatever and stereotyping of of of groups in two thousand and twenty you. Would you would think. Yeah these ivory tower elitist probably wouldn't get along with the With the blue exactly. But i've i've encountered i've encountered both seems but generally i've i think i've had at least some success. In establishing connections waste with law enforcement agencies where they have been incredibly helpful in being able to do research. And it's it's just convincing people that are not against them trying to trying to bring some science and help police training that kind of thing not not trying to show police as being. Yeah so with So with all that. Why don't you tell people what what it is actually do. What's your what's your area of study. What's your what's your title. I'm assistant professor of psychology. Okay back and that. That's pretty broad. Arete psychology shields. There ever just going to start breaking up. It is amazing. What goes under the umbrella of psychology. It it's fun. I don't know i don't know if it will ever break up like you're talking about. I've never caught soda that before. Because i think it's already kind of broken up as it is. Yeah right because we've got clinical psychology. Which is what most people think of when they think of psychology. Lots of other kinds of several cars vision area computational psychology neuroscience which sometimes you find in psychology department industrial organizational psychology developmental psychology cognitive psychology on and on and on and so the areas. I mean he's called human factor psychology. And that's probably one of the least nine areas of psychology one tabby i. It's just like psychology is so big. If you meet someone at a party you know. And i like what do you do like i have a. I'm in the psychology department that that would tell me nothing. I think most people would think that you're probably freud right. That would be like the first guest. Very very unlikely. Would people be like also like what are you human factors or. I still have friends who have known for a long time. And i tell them on human factors. This is the kind of stuff that i do. Not call me up and say having a bit of problem. We saw a bit depressed or something like that. I'm on the worst person on the least qualified. Worst person to come to that kind of stuff. I'm i am. Not whatever people are just calling you. And you're you're sitting there working on on ways to make better simulations to help police officers do their job. Better and meanwhile you're getting calls left and right of like. I just had this past childhood trauma. That i i remembered. Can you help people people who know me would agree with what i cited i. I worst personal counter last visit. You'd wanna come to help with anything like that. So what's human factors vinyl. I should have great brief description of of what it is. And and i don't but Human factors israeli looking at. How do we improve performance in a combination of socio technical systems crazy. Woods it just maine's people in technology people in tools people in devices people in computers. 'cause planes that kind of thing so it's really how to design things at whether it's work environments so that it works people. The the be cliche is engineers a good at designing sings. But they're not good understanding how people sink in use technology so human factors is there to kind of another turn human factors sometimes. It's called engineering psychology. So you can think about that way. How you engineer. A productive device an airplane cockpit. A self-driving cau- so that it fits best with human tape abilities most often we're talking about human cognitive capabilities. How people pay attention to things. Remember things make decisions make judgments. And the way that i describe. It is just like you said that. Psychology is this kind of amorphous thing where you've got all as different fields inside it. I think human factors is kind of the same way except that everyone's head of psychology. Very few people have heard of cuban factors. Human factor psychology. But once you kind of take a step through the door and inter obvious. Analogy that that i use when i speak to people students about this select. You'll going into an office building and that whole office building is human factor psychology and there's different flaws in that building in different doors. Down different corridors. That's what's like once you get into the human factors building on human factors as it relates to aviation and now as it relates to video games and surface transportation just 'cause trains. The that kind of stuff is human computer interaction. How do you design ferns and websites. So it's just there's so many different some areas 'cause and this is kind of like like the the way that the way that someone really knows their way around a computer or or like you know. Bill gates are some computer. Programmer might navigate their way around dos or something like that is and that's very efficient for them or some hangar or something like that you build a a computer much to an expert might seem counterintuitive but as for for to create a simple user interface. Exactly create the you need to think about these human factors If you think like well mask would actually work helped transmit a virus but are people going to use them. People might might make sense for people to save money in some certain way but behavioral economics actually shows people might save in a different way or this promises. The last example. I'm thinking of when they first made made the internet the interstate system and like well. What if we get bombed or something and you need to get from point a to point b as fast as you possibly can straight line and that's just make these straight interstates and then what do you know the driving in on a straight road These these lines going by just hypnotized until they fall asleep and drive off the road. Who knew that. You actually need to put curves in the road. A robot wouldn't do this. You wouldn't build a robot track this way but when you're thinking about human factors these are the things that you need to consider exactly know. This thing's considered technology broadly. So it can be something high-tech computer that kind of thing but it could also be seeing like dole handle right. So how many times have you gone up to a door. That's really pushed. Oh yeah and you know you've pulled on handle because it's been set up by someone to give you cues that or they're either ambiguous cues or they've put the kind of thing that you would grab onto full rather than just put like a metal plate. That's flat that you can't grab onto the you have to push. That's that's human factors support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. Would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student. Loan treat yourself to those shoes. You've been eyeing with progressive. 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I'll tell you about when you mentioned urinals there's a there's a kind of classic story in factors that i think the stories about urinals demands urinals at schiphol airport in amsterdam so many terrible peaks and they might horrible schauble mrs when when they urinate and so they were looking at how they could reduce splash back and apparently just like with tennis racket. This sweet spot of the urinal end so they hang so they ended up making these daas dots. But it was making. I'm out of it was a fly The sticker of fly there and all of a sudden people started directing their streams towards the flies in the flies. Were in the sweet spot. Apparently that reduce the amount of maintenance that was needed in those bathrooms restaurants. All you gotta you gotta put the rival sports team logo right there and you'll never have a mess. So so what. What kind of what specific kind of human factors do you work with. Saw talking about building. We've always different human factors current of that building. I don't know about half the rooms you into many of those. Yeah it's really. It's really strange. Even within human factors people specializing their areas. They weren't knows that much about other areas. So where where are you at. The human factor. The office they got you know more than you think. I can claim that. Maybe i've got a bit of a corner office. At least i've got a view outside. So i'm gonna go ahead you. I kind of associate with a group called cognitive engineering decision. Making and that's one of within the human factors in economic society. That's one of the law of technical groups. As far as far as i understand. And but but even within that this kind of different different fragments. So i if. I say anything got given name to something. I say naturalistic decision making. That's that's kind of a nature that goes back to the late seventies early eighties when These researchers who were looking at the way that judgment and decision making research was was done at that time mainly at universities in its it was using kind of word problems or very very unstructured problems with correct answers that will give undergraduate students in a lab cetera et cetera. They said well. This doesn't really help us understand how people make decisions app in the real world in in naturalistic situations. When used the term naturalistic situations. It's really getting. It seems like uncertain situations complex situations with multiple players involved different people with different goals. The goals may not even be clear. The time of what you're trying to achieve democracy time pressure stress the kind of things d. mighty county in in the military in aviation in people who control nuclear power plants and make sure that they're running properly and so they started stepping outside the lab and going to watch people in their environment and ask them about critical incidents that they had had critical decision making incidents and try and understand those things from africa cognitive perspective. So you got you got someone. That's got like a slot new zoo. They're learning everything about sloss. Then you've got someone. That's actually in costa rica looking at slots and what they're how they're interacting and and And what other different things in the environment because because in the in the zoo. You're you know. You're not putting a jaguar in next to it and And you're not putting some Near extinct bird swoops down and gets them off a trees that i've i'm actually embarrassed that i can't remember the name of off the top of my head because i should because i fancy myself instead of a slot but Which do you prefer. I descended on the two main categories. Are that that too in the three finger. They're called to toe and three tow but there there are things i'm or or you could. I mean they're up there. They're up here by in their heads their their feet what i would call their feet are all three fingers so are all three toes and so to say toes. Izaac whole misleading thing. And there's a controversy about whether they change it and if you ask me just say they have four hands. If they're hanging upside down most time like hands do they're almost never on on the ground and so but yeah. There's a lot of. There's a lot more controversy than then sloth world me the the point is is that you're going to expect a very different outcome studying a ratna lab then can than studying a rat nine new york city subway or something. Exactly and and this kind of area of naturalistic decision. Making really came about as a reaction to that lab based Research that often used as kind of canned problems Very clean decision making problems. And if hoppy eagle by the way that just popped into by going the way they set it arts the prehistoric. That's real good No it's a near it's a bird that still exists that's responsible for like twenty percent of of sloth predation Thing so the other thing. That this this area naturalistic decision. Making trust to focus on his. Not just not just being there but being there and trying to understand how the experts operate. But what's happening up here in the mind of an expert. That's what they're really trying to get and so that that's the other kind of areas that i study all complementary areas the study experts Expertise how is expertise Lots of terms that used to that. I can celebrated expertise or accelerated learning and then any domain. Are you mostly talking talking. Mostly law enforcement or or do you do you factor in like you know how how security cameras might like better help a bank or what kind of domains do you do. You focus on. I've i've tended to focus on the naturalistic demands of firefighting up. Eight aviation police military those kind of things in when you think about it this a lot of work that people do nowadays. That is cognitive. If you're sitting in front of a computer for most today than most of the work that you're doing is cognitive work. It used to be a hundred or so years ago. the study of expertise. Mainly focused on manual trades like bricklayers but brick bricklayers would really really skilled how the grabbing bricks putting motor on sitting them in and lining up in so Original studies of expertise that focused on that they got italy. Cameras filmed people slow down. Look at how long it was taking them to grab a break. Apply stuff day. Were kind of efficiency expert. They were trying to make the whole process more efficient. if we could put the brakes here closer to bricklayer. Rather than stip away they'll be able to lay the mo might lie the more quickly we'll be able to get more light per hour will be everything was kind of industrial off the industrial revolution. I guess but but in that kind of ain't how can we make things more efficient but at some stage in the twentieth century. A lotta work transition from becoming. Let's being very manual to be more cognitive inside. Then people got interested in what's happening cognitively inside people's heads that led then do tasks really well maybe faster than out this more accurately than others than the probably the biggest area of expertise research or at least in the beginning is chess and i. I'm kind of embarrassed. Never play just. I don't know how to play chess. Put a chessboard in front of me. Not a clue would not know pulling from a root for mccain. Do you want me to teach you how to play chess. Someone day i will. You'll probably even have a chance against me in your first game because i know the rules but really spur. I think one of the reasons that i've kind of resisted. He's because i'm scared. What will have to if i stopped. I think it will take over my life. Not that obey very good. But i'll warm year in trouble. Jol the dam is breaking. The queen's gambit is so popular netflix. Everyone's getting all excited about every chest thing. There's going to be a lot of people getting chessboards for christmas this year. And i have a feeling you're going to be one of them in trouble. I did work. Twenty one is going to be your two thousand twenty i. I did watch queen's gambit and you know. I had no idea what was happening. We with we'd any of the new. Moses moves butts but i've i've read a bit about her chest researching that that was a really nice. It's really nice domain which to look expertise because even though there's a lot of moves were rules in things are constrained and you could ask people to predict someone's next move in. This has been just a lot of research about cognitive performance. Memory things like that related to chess than so. I don't know in some way i'm trying to apply some of that stuff that some of that kind of approach to law enforcement because i think that police officers deserve to have really good training in society at large would want them to have really good training. And it's not it's not the they don't get training. I'm sure that there's some places give excellent training but this it's very diverse the trying because police a law enforcement source to organize such a local level here in the united states. There's very many you can have lots of places teaching in different ways than this is some kind of state standards in in most states. But there's also a lot of leeway in what what happens within those standards and police have a really tough job. They've got they've got to teach people to be of jacksonville trades. So instead of you got you got these human factors people going and studying people putting a breakdown and mortar each day. They're getting slightly better in a little more efficient and keeping the bucket to the left side instead and the in they're getting more bricks down faster and it's holding better and the quality's improving as quantity is also increasing in that. In that little zeroing in on how you make the fastest best. Little widget is a very different thing than making considerations like okay. We got a fire here whereas the fire hydrant. Do we need a helicopter to dump this. We have to be you know clear cut ahead of. There's there's there's there's just a lot more you're going into a new environment and new situation. Edged time yup and those environments. So i'd like you know. Easter bricklaying example that i rise so that's a relatively stable environment right. It's it's it's pretty routine ride. Yes you might be working on a different building that you'll you'll lay bricks and that kind of thing doesn't doesn't change very much whereas when you're talking so much smack about better watch out and we're going to go through the window. You think this is easy. Luckily right now on the. I'm on the top floor of a building a floor and probably might be hard for someone to to get a breakout. Us they just human factors label look for stories up and start launching. You know you. You have the other thing is you have this kind of natural incentive your company making brick homes and someone goes. Hey i'm a scientist. I can come in here and i can figure out these things and i'm going to save a million dollars a year because i'm gonna get your crew working as efficient as you ever have. And here's how this is very easy to measure thing and in one week you're going to see a difference because more bricks are gonna be laid down. I don't see the same incentive with A police police training. That's a that's a lot harder to measure it really is. It's it's really hot measure and it's i think. In general police do that a tough job an important job at a good job but there are there are aspects of trainings. That that could probably be improved. You know it's gonna vary from from place to place. I've been a big disheartens. Sometimes when observed training here in that where there's been very little reflection on How things were handled and and it's kind of it. It was a situation where i'm just trying to think. Keep too much to give too much away in terms of identifying. Just kind of mad at analysis i i get done with a a show and i could. I could be like hey i crushed it and pat myself on the back and go home but i'm usually i usually benefit by like how what what went well there could. I put a tweet that joke. I could have cut that punch. That didn't work environment. So you're you're just engaging in michigan activity right just you thinking about you're thinking your reflecting on it and trying to workout. exactly how. how can i improve the future. And that in my limited experience with law enforcement that is missing a lot of the time. It's it's more Thing we finish the situation and it's don does your hands off pat on the back. Coup finished tai-bo in it move onto the next thing and never go back now. I have met people who do the opposite of that the day. Very very reflective after the fact and they'll even go and look at things that went right things your situations that they think that they handle relatively. Well they'll go back no question themselves and think okay. It went pretty well in outcome was good but clerk done anything different. Did i miss. Something could have said something differently. I compromise my my safety at some point. Guard stood somewhere else tons of individual differences but as a standard thing. If you could maybe improve one thing it would be I mean how do you how do you improve something like that to me. If i if i were to guess i would think i would think in in like a band of brothers situation. There might be some resistance to having kind of like a safe space for criticism this is. This really frustrates me quite a bit. And maybe maybe it's indicative that. I don kind of get the police culture because i'm not police officer but there is you know broad brush strokes great generalizations this. There's a resistance to criticizing. It's not even shouldn't even use the word. Criticizing critiquing critiquing but a critiquing performance. Because it's not about criticizing that is just you know in law enforcement. You'll often hear Critique a fellow officer you would in issues. You don't know what they were going through. You were debt. They did as best as i could. And you you you never take. That is just anathema to the whole idea of getting better improving performance and it's one of the things it really strikes me sometimes. He's you know a lot of police officers that made as a lot of people who aren't police officers a really into sport and when you say when trying pointing out hang on you know being really really you're really resisting someone critiquing what you've done and trying to help you improve. But how do you think that oil sport heroes. They do after every guy. And what do you do to them as a morning quarterback what do you do. Then you're not an issue but now all of a sudden you think that you can critique them in give them a back so it kind of is. This is disconnected. I did. I don't get you you are you're speaking. My language is set set aside the of specific example of of that you just used but just generally speaking in terms of in terms of a huge science literacy problem within the public. There's this idea that like some people are dumb and some people are smart or something like that or people but like everyone. Whoever you think is the dumbest guy. And i guarantee you. They're better statistical reasoning than you think they are just set them in front of their favorite sports team or place a bet on an all the sudden they can understand statistics and data analysis. Just fine and they and they can pull back and be be ab- they might root for the home team but if they're gambling on a game they know perfectly well how back and and have an objective point of view and what trade who should be traded. Where and what the how good and actual player is that reminds me of story. That's used. i think it's when i teach cognitive psychology The this story got some researchers in brazil. Awhile back who looking at st keyed sue selling. I love that story heard. Yeah so no. I don't i don't think my my listeners have ever heard the story so hopefully i'll get it right so there they straight kids who your standard into sections in so people candy and drinks and things like that never there was a there was a school. There was an issue with The school system and they weren't able to houses many As many children and a lot of children were left being On educated so they didn't have any formal education yet they were able to. Do you know relatively complicated math in the context of rights. Someone wants to candies. They gave me this much money. I've got to give them this much change but if you ask them to just put a math problem in front of them right in a contextual mass problems like they couldn't really do it but they don't know how how how long it would take the train to get from here to there. W did this and that. Unless w was going to buy some of their merchandise when they got that train and then they made a perfect calculation. So that's a. That's a neat example. Guys about the debating in statistical literacy so yes that that's something that But i don't think it's just with police officers. the main click clearly is just. There's lots of people who don't like to be critiqued. They just they want to just go on their way and bay how they and it it it it takes so i i think it does take some enough if moral characters is the right word right if you're environmental actual humility. Maybe she just you know if you're inviting a critique you know you'll get a houston things that you don't like the and then you've got to deal with them and menendez potentially the cognitive dissonance that all. I'm not doing things the right way like i could be doing things differently. Now i've got a. I've got a. I've got to put more interesting. So i can reach that next level but i don't know i i. I'm kind of lucky in where. I'm at the moment as as an assistant professor who has some graduate students in the lab that i students learned. That's how it's gonna be from pretty early on and you know i. I'm not a very touchy feely person. Maybe some people will say. I'm not that nice. But when i give when i give people feedback it's because it's because i care right and i want them to give i mean i invite cpac too i noticed. Sometimes it may not be it's gonna suck sometimes if it's going to help you get at whatever it is. I do than i want. hear it. Yeah i always read my youtube comments and stuff. And i you know you got to be mindful of negativity bias and whatnot. But it doesn't if someone just like makes fun of like my hair doesn't like my voice or you know what a- that that stuff just doesn't bother me at all or not but once in a while someone will be like. I saw what they're going for here but they miss the mark because of the alec. Ooh damn there actually right. Those are the ones that sting but those are the ones that you're the you learn from your the nets. i just think that's how it is in academia. At least people get used to that kind of bind system of that through this whole peer review process. Right you ride piper you submit it to a journal. Send it off and then it gets. It gets reviewed by piece. You don't know who they are. And then you get this feedback back and just says normally review a one. There's no names says review a review it to says you suck than your whole shocked and everything's bad than we don't. We don't seek the tissue get published by by this journal. All all you know seems reasonable but you should consider this makes changes by gate convert this phys-. There's a huge skirt. But that's just that's built into the system anisa because people not one person can think of everything in the everything harder to because by youtube comments. Someone can criticize me. I'm like well that person's probably an idiot but if you're kidding fear of you feel like crap that person's probably very well educated. They're talking about. Yeah it's it's funny because you you mentioned looking comments in that that kind of thing so it was a few years ago now. I did this online. Study about gun. Safety gun safety knowledge. That so i needed gun owners to complete it and so one of the things that i did was i went. I just talked online. Found the the biggest gun forums dairies win on the found. Some some board might thread a research. Study looking at be great if you could take the time to complete it and put it up there and then went back the next day when my gosh just comments this liberal ivory tower against the second amendment. There was nothing against you know second amendment. Anything wasn't about that at all. Did they even looked at the at the at the study survey and then so what. A few people started riding. Nadan someone goes. He found his picture online. This him someone else writes back. Looks like he has cancer on here. That's that's That's a human factor for f. Goodness people are the worst. So so in terms of In terms of Naturalistic decision is studying naturalistic decision. Making in human factors in things i Police military whatever this. This seems like one. I'm wondering is this brand new. And and how good of a time is it. It seems. I guess i'm asking because i'm thinking about body cameras. This has to make Your job so much easier. This has to make the opportunity whether it's used or not For for meta analysis. You know this is like the coach being able to watch the play by play afterwards our body cameras viewed in that way or are they viewed as like police like all these pesky big brother things that are just going to get me in trouble or our police like terrific. I get to put my body camera on and hear all about the things that i can improve upon so you i asked about. Is this naturalistic decision. Making a new thing. It's not it's been around since at least the early eighties so it. That's not new but it. It's still kind of a niche area. Even within human factors so for example. I think the best the best example is that every two years the naturalistic decision. Making kind of group of people have a conference and there about around about two hundred people come to that conference. That's pretty small conference compared to two other to the regular human factors conference or to the to psychology conferences way thousands and thousands of people. So it's still. It's kind of a niche area. That's naturalistic decision making but in terms of what. You're talking about body cameras. That's this vein. A boom in criminal justice in criminology research. They've just gone whole hog in the last maybe five years or so with with body camera stuff. There was a lot of money thrown at body camera racer and it was mainly not not looking at all. We can assist people's performance or we can use it for to reflect on for training purposes. It was mostly introducing body on cameras as a way to keep tabs on people. Send away to try to reduce Complaints against police police. Y'all laws against a against citizens and so there was a i'm not I'm not the expert on that research. Unfamiliar with to the extent that debate credibility in the last few years And really looking at the effects of one cameras on the force incidents how much forces us police duties for. How many complaints to citizens make against police When the body cameras bain introduced. I mean how do you measure something like that. How do you how do you measure their use of force if there when they are wearing a camera and not wearing a camera like you. So what's again on going to just put a caveat incited. that's not. That's not research that i've done. But i think i'm familiar enough with it to to answer that question that Lack they do in medicine with drugs. They have randomized controlled trials. They try to do those kind of things in criminal justice and law enforcement. So what is what does that make. It's what they'll do is they'll try to identify the two main ways one is that they'll find a jurisdiction that's about to introduce body worn cameras and they'll find a comparable jurisdiction kind of same size same kind of demographic makeup that's not yet implementing body worn cameras and they will though i use force incidents. Will those kind of things a track to some extent so they'll measure before the body cameras introduced in the one place and then they'll keep measuring off woods and they'll say is there a change in the jurisdiction that uses body cameras and no change in the jurisdiction that that hasn't yet implemented body cameras. You could even do that in a city if you have offices that are you know tied to a location right. These days offices belonged to this this bureau of this division of the police in the city. So you could introduce it to that place. I see how it goes. Believe other jurisdiction of the places weeden within the city without the body cameras for small amount of time and then kind of introduced in faced. Wade safe that if that makes a difference. So that's that's some of the way that they that they do those kinds of studies and then and then they'll also sometimes go and serve as citizens to see how to see their responses to. They think that body cameras have made a difference to try and find people who had interactions with police have found that those directions of different seats police body cameras till find police perceptions of the body cameras. This there's all kinds of different facets of buddy cameroon research. Du off the top of your head. Have a ballpark of a guess of of where the where that kind of trends in terms of outcomes all i know is it there has been i think at least one recent metro analysis and to to the best of my recollection. The evidence was ambiguous. There was evidence on both sides. The body worn cameras had a positive effect. The body cameras had no effect that body cameras had actually. It seemed like they made things get worse. Which is kind of really strange vessels like a another like how you know like instant like youtube makes people do crazy things like chop off higher roof or whatever maybe some cops are like. Wait till my buddies. See how i took down this guy or something like that. So i i don't think there's a consensus yet about at least as far as i understand But i think the point has to be made that compared to lab based research in this for example psychology. This is different right. This is dealing with real problems with real people in real life trying to measure things that are not that easy to measure up in so you probably expect some some noise in the in the results or some some variability depending on exactly it could depend on so many things how the cameras it implemented. How officers are trained to use them. The kind of the population. that's being policed. there's just so many factors that there. I mean my my not knowing anything About about the subject my my gut tells me that like what is seems like a win win for a police force if not a given police officer but even say i imagine a lot of people i've never had i've never had if i'm being honest i've never had the greatest fondness for the type of person that wants to become a police officer however i would think they genuinely do care about wanting to serve the community and do good and blah blah blah blah. And i probably just have a Shitty little rebellious teenager still stuck in my head. That refuses to mature but regardless i i would think that one you know as a police officer sometimes you want to use force and and you know someone has bruises and whatnot afterwards. If this is recorded that it was a you know this legitimate Then then you don't need to rely on your word and and the to this is this is. You're you're going to get just less complaints of you know someone someone saying no. I actually was cooperating when you can see on the camera that they obviously were not cooperating. That's that's. I've heard totally of exactly that happening. So here wichita the officer. Who was responsible for implementing body cameras wichita. Police department told me that he had cases where citizens wanted to make play against the office after they'd introduce won't cameras and so he'd say no problem That officer was wearing a body worn camera. I'm going to get that footage so we can sit down together and look at it at than say what the officer did and he said that there were instances where the where the citizen very quickly withdrew that complied. Okay well it actually wasn't like that. It wasn't that bad because the story goes that they will probably in some way being in us and the citizen and they realized that that would have been recorded and it wasn't a like when you hook someone up to fake lie detector. You tend to get more honest answer sodom. Well that's interesting because you know a lot of police. Departments still require. Polygraph is part of the inflammation process. That's not a matter of me. Questioning the polygraph which. We certainly could do that is to say that like in in studies. Still tell someone that. They're on a polygraph. In fact are not and and often people in that experimental condition tend to A Over a divulge more information than than people so forth. So yeah i think in in general buddy cameras are good thing you asked. You said it's kind of a boon for my kind of research and so you you'd think so But the but there's problems with that to some extent and one of these that says so much footage recorded millions and millions of hours so it becomes a problem of trolley. it's impossible to trough. It's impossible for people to troll through all that and so it becomes a it becomes official intelligence problem. Can't you what what's the what's that weird word a man. I was screwed up. The it almost sounds like a foreign country or something like that. You know the studies on the you give a survey online. You pay someone like a couple of dollars to do. Yeah yeah mechanical mechanical turk. So so you you you pay people ten cents a survey or whatever to fill these things out. You think they just took the show cops off the air. Thank you could almost so that out. It'd be like hey just let us know when you get to the good stuff. Maybe that would be a public domain or a A government privacy. Type of thing where you wouldn't just put that out on the public anyway see. It seems like there would be a way of of someone would be able to get down to the good stuff for you to show. I think that the the way things a headed in the future from what i understand it is that this people who work in the field of computational vision computer vision and artificial intelligence working discard problem so that you can have all the footage sitting there and algorithms will go through it and basically classified video classified as okay. This is a traffic stop. This is a domestic violence situation. But it didn't even more than that it'll be able to analyze to some extent what's happening in the video. How many people are there in the video. It'll be able to analyze the auditor to look at stress in people's voice. You know lots of shouting is more tense situation. And then through that. It'll be able to kind of pop. The ones that most need attention whether it's from a police supervisor of your needs to review those kinds of incidents. I think that's what's kind of happening in the future. Aven the kind of thing where you could automatically give a school for. For example procedural justice how much procedural justice officer kind of gave off in this situation in that could be fed back to the officer Go you got a this time off. Got a game of getting the fight things right now. My mom my fellow officers. I didn't a traffic stop. And they got an eighty seven or go to bay. Deb next time it could be going that way interesting in the in the future so but for me at the moment i'm i'm working on a project that's funded by the national institute of justice. That is kind of looking this issue. It's trying to use body worn camera footage as a basis for decision-making training for police officers. And so right now as we speak in the middle of trying to find good videos to use the kind of training the we're interested in doing and that's proving to be more challenging than we thought and the reason is that there's lots of videos out there on youtube but most of the things i find their way into the public domain lex at a there because they end up in kind of terrible incidents saw shootings or some use of foshan and that kind of seat. But that's not most situations. Most situation start in doppler. You're so you're not getting a lotta. You're not getting a lot of footage of the of the like. Wow that person really had that. That officer had terrific like bedside manner except the appropriate speeding ticket but no one. Everyone got along. Just fine. the name hands. Sometimes you save videos of this cool officer was dancing with the with the local people in doing some hip hop dance or something like that. In net coal in the end they're establishing good relations with the community which is great but yes the the video is the end up being online a biased towards the ones with stuff with that kind of stuff happens in this whole if you could imagine. That is the whole world of body camera footage. This is you gotta you gotta see you got like this whole so jungle canopy. You're looking out over and you almost need like an artificial be eagle back can spot this law. That's risen helpful little to hide out so so where so we try to deal with with that kind of problem at the moment finding the right kind of footage because the other thing that tends to happen. Weekdays videos when police do sometimes houston for training. Lots of people watch them. Let's police officers watch them. But most of the top five they watch them from the perspective of the tactics. What what did the officers do. Tabbed tactics has the primary thing is officer safety which is a very important thing but what we in a study that i'm involved at the moment what we're trying to focus on these cognitive skills that underlie expert performance he natural listrik domains not not so much on tactical teams win things. Kind of go bad. We're looking at things like people's ability to rate situations and understand the kind of uncertain situation during be able to anticipate how that situation might play out. Look at Things we call go conflicts so when you faced with a situation where you've got at least two goals that a competing right. You might need to protect someone but you also need to protect yourself and protecting someone you're putting yourself more risk and they are the things that are really tricky to kind of resolve in split-second second manner so the things don't typically get trained will get trained to less police strategy. If i was again broad brush a lot of the training is on on the tactics and using the fullest of positioning those kinds of things the physical skills. It offices might need right up defensive tactics how they're gonna put hands on people in off them and shooting skills and less of an emphasis on the decision making side. How people processing information however they picking out the relevant in the situation and re putting together so that they could read the situation accurately and decide what to do. That's what that's what we try to focus on anything. So if i could ask i mean you can. I'm just going to leave. This very open ended. So you can take whatever stab at this. You walk. she'll who thousand and twenty has been As as a wild year for lots of things all around. And you and i we we look events through different lenses then than what is you know of be shown on whatever mainstream media channel or whatever the normal talking heads are going to see because we have these different areas of expertise or study. And i i look at this situation of virus. Going around and people not wrapping their hands heads around like a symptomatic spread and like geez guys. I wish i could just sit down. Everyone and talk about the evolution of disease avoidance and in what makes a symptomatic spreads so sneaky and why because everyone looks so healthy. It's it's a tricky kind of thing congressman. Wrap your head around. And if everyone if it were the case could we've evolved. If it were the case everyone was like that had cova was immediately choking on their own lung fluids and public everyone would be distancing and blah blah blah. And because our volved brains aren't meant to Kind of understand that or things like climate change that are like these slow changes over time and are seemingly kind of ace symptomatic boy. If you just had this information you would see. You would see this a little bit differently and Is there is there anything with kind of your your field of study that that you wish people were A little bit more knowledgeable about when it comes to You know obviously we've had We've had protests we've had defined the police Which may have been a poorly named Marketing thing from from from from from someone who very much Was hoping trump would lose when that when when defunding the police start as ooh. Well i'm from midwest. And i think that's slogan is going to do do the democrats any favors like they think that it might and and so is there. Is there anything that that you've seen where we're maybe maybe just a a a little bit of If not science literacy just just things that are specific in your domain that you wish the whole world knew about Would maybe help make a little more sense of some of the things. going on. Science literacy is huge. And i think that's a big problem facing the country and the world. That's not not easily solvable But you know what just just to pick one thing. This just happened recently. joe biden. This was before the election in the last sometime in the last two months. He said publicly. Will you know why. Didn't the police officers shoot him in the leg right. And that's that just shows a real lack of understanding about the limits of human performance under stress of lots of people. Say that and it would be great. I i felt movies all the kinds of shoot the gun out of our hands. And and that's that's kind of a tragic thing that Hollywood movies has led us to believe that. That's possible right dirty. Harry he can. He can just do those kinds of things and data. Did you see the ballot of of of Serve whatever by the way on netflix. On net flicks. I'm probably sitting that rule. I seek so should the. Oh yeah okay tastic Anyway there there's a there's a terrific like comedic play on that of like holding up a mirror like shooting on the head with perfect accuracy in the very. You know there's those trick colin trick shooters who do you know those kinds of things That that's not seek about a world level championing something how much practice i would've had to get to that level. That's those kinds of people. Police officers generally get relatively little trading a little time spent on firearms training and a lot of the time. It's in ways daren't maximized transfer to real well performance so they'll be standing in front of targets that aren't moving to communicate and they just there's no threat to the back to the officer That's that's the majority of firearms training at the moment. And then you know it. It's it's nearly impossible. Ask to get someone to be able to hit someone in on the handles a leg or something like that maybe even under ideal conditions and then you start many still have to spend the gun and put it into your holster after that because she otherwise. What's the point of shooting a gun out of. Someone's hand if you don't finish it during during lovely. I in grad school at michigan technological university of the fun was of michigan. It's one of the few universities. As far as i understand the heads shooting range and they had an underground convenient by somewhere and they there was a gun club Sometimes i would get nisha to interested. There was someone who did exactly that and shot themselves. One day they did. Someone was instructing them. I don't know exactly how it happened. The di- did exactly that. They said oh. I finished shooting. Zuzu themselves in stunning cussing. Now see this. This brings up another thing because i know another amazing area of research and we talked about it. Last time was about some gun safety because because you you teach gun safety correct and used. Some firearms used used to be involved in some firearms training. Now as someone who has like a guns aren't my favorite thing in the world and people are often like well. People don't like guns 'cause they're liberals that had never been around and seen how cautious i know i don't like because i've been around a lot of drunk hunters with guns that are like think they're top guys and doing crap like that all the time. That's why i. I don't i don't like guns because i don't think you need to bring a bazooka into a subway For self defense which is another thing that's happened in two thousand and twenty. I don't think sniper rifles are the best thing for self defense but here's my bias aside. We talked last time about. Did i just say that really. We talked last time there was like some weird inflection in my voice about a whole you despite their not having a a kind of system for implementing what what would be like the equivalent of a driver's test which is like showing people videos and and things which i i would love a feud re explain for people but but despite that not being a mandatory thing you do you do find that the average gun owner does seem to like really know their way around at least when they're sober But i don't know about what an average on is. I think that i think there's definitely people who guns who probably pretty safe Instead that kind of stuff. But i don't know. I've got no details about the breakdown. I think that there's a lot of people who have guns. Who aren't really into guns and don't really they have it in case they need to use it but they don't spend a lot of time kind of understanding how it works. Look there's there's an argument about that right. If you drive a car. Do you need to know how the car works to be able to drive a car Not really but you need to know how to operate it safely right is can you explain kind of some of the videos that So do what i want do you do. You have like a file of these that you could send me that we could insert in the in the. I've even got a i do. I mean i've got all. I've got videos but i've also got a basically study. Online people can go and do it. Works through it and see if they're interested. Let's just do that. I it just it just kind of am video shows a bunch of different circumstances of like here. I'm putting a clip in. I'm showing you this. Is how many bullets we clip. But then we pull this back. We do this with the safety. What happens when i pull the trigger. Does discharge a bullet or not and and see how well people do. Yeah and You know i. I did that by starting a long time ago. When i was involved in firearms training and i wanted to kind of make sure people i was training understood. How gun worked in when it was gonna go bang and win. It wasn't so. I devised this kind of test that i gave them. Impasse on. Have them standing there. I'd have a clipboard. And it had maybe about thirty steps in his test. Okay do this foot the magazine and every time after every step by awesome. The same questions right. He's there a round in the chamber. Is the firearm cocked. And what would happen if you pull the trigger now. And they'd have to answer those questions than i'd get them to do the knicks thing Racks the slide. Osmose questions again. So all i did was really a took. That tested are given in real life. And i just might video test out of it and it hasn't gone anywhere barely. I always thought it was just such a perfect idea. I mean you're you're just you're just one guy in a skyscraper in wichita the word human factors written on it with waiting for a break come through the window office on the lord but It's the ivory tower to actually built the whole thing out of. I'm your beautiful structure. Let's let's Listens around here but in in a in a perfect world where again you would think that i would think that as a gun owner. I would want myself. If i had kids by kids by anyone in my home my neighbors anyone else that had a gun. Also know if they pull the trigger on their gun. What happens in a certain situation. Does it off when you want it to and not go off when it does in. Could there be some sort of a drivers. I think doesn't japan have like some sort of situation where you can get a gun. But there's like a fairly strict task. I'm not sure what the situation is there. I heard that it's very difficult to get firearms. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how they do it. But you know this. There's lots of examples of countries in the world where there's a lot of guns and they have less list. Instances or incidents of people unintentionally discharging them. That kind of scene do. Is it like cultural thing. Maybe you don't wanna spec this might not be your your but are there. Are there different. I quite as sweden or something like that. Switzerland has has switzerland because I'm not sure of the current situation but at least it sometime males had to serve in the military said i generally had weapons training and they even after the military service they get a issued to keep it harm fifty civil defense kind of raisins and so i think that that's often held up as a as an example of a country where there is. There are a lot of guns but they used very differently in people to to treat them differently. It's just that two thousand twenty. You've had this huge surge in like people that probably never thought they are going to own a gun in their entire life. All all of the sudden going out and i changed my mind and this is the time and i keep not find that You know this proud gun. Owners who united. I have guns because i put stickers all over the back of zig pickup the net kind of scene but this a bait surprised to find out you know. Some people who don't advertise effect did have gotten people wouldn't expect and i just. I just generally speaking compared to a stranger. It's a lot more prevalent here. But i think it's maybe even beyond what i expect. I think that a lot of people even who wouldn't necessarily think might have a gun have gone for self defense raisins because they think that they feats that they really needed. Maybe depending on with a ribbon. In whose i all but it makes for a different society. Do you have a do you have i mean has your research Made you conclude that you wish redid any policy changes differently in any way so i'm incredibly biased when it comes to that just because i grew up strata. That's so what. I can tell you what i think but someone who born in america thinks the opposite just because because they because they grew up i grew. I grew up in a place where there's no such thing as having a web carrying a weapon for self defense. Forget about guns knives Carry a knife. Fissile you can't you. People don't carry knives around in australia. I'm sure that there's some people that do the generally i mean you can get stopped by the police getting trouble for for having nice. You co by vowed so nice photo thing. My graduate students give it fails to bring that. I know but i was trying to put a been on it to hide the knife rather than show it off just had. I didn't quite get the word. The wording figure it out but after this podcast i'm going to work and the next time i have gone. I'm going to bet you haven't heard before. So i i haven't ruinous wanna say that fit for. May i don't see an issue with that. He's going to give me into trouble. But hey anything it doesn't it no. I don't think it's an issue. Just a win in australia. Doesn't seem outrageous to say that if you wanna firearm you have to have one of these valid reasons for having it. Yeah self defense is not on that list you have to belong to a club on organization you have to get training. You have to store it. Appropriately the police come check. You've got the gun. The you may have stored appropriately. Always kind of things that to me. that's normal. that's that's reasonable that everything's registered. And i understand that here in america. That's it's a very different situation. So i mean there's a for for any any Any gun fans out there. Which i'm sure there are plenty listening. That are like that's crazy. I mean you don't need you. Don't need to panic too much. I think we're a long ways trump. Let's cross that bridge when we full see if we outlaw bazookas first and then we'll see stock so so in terms of as as we wrap up here in in terms of some things that you're excited about maybe work that you've done that might be implemented in police training. What would you what has shown promise that you would like to see a larger sample. sizes may be implemented more. Broadly so one of the one of the things that i've been doing for the last couple of years together with my graduate students were. We look at people's ability police officers ability to distinguish between someone drawing a gun in someone drawing up say cell phone or wallet inside. We're video at the monthly defy discount. A situation where. I've got my hands behind my back. And you imagine a kind of tints police standoff and police officers doesn't know if i've got a gun will don't have a gun and then i go to do this motion and puts a police officer really really tough spot right because you know. We're talking about responding being able to identify what the subject is within no split-second drunk magician. Who thinks he's funny and a handful of confetti exactly all all someone who doesn't even have he's got a finger gun as they just got a gun stashed. There's a suicide by cop situation right. So i'll just pull my finger With saying instances someone's got cell phone in the hand or a wallet and it may not even be a suicide by cop. Situation may be that. The person has a cellphone in hand but the offices mistook it as a weapon in that. That's happened. Quite a few instances of of that happening in this desert nine for those kinds of things threat perception errors of mistake of fact shootings. And so we've been looking at that. Tom mainly from the on the basis of research. That's been done in spot. The looks at anticipation. So one of the things fifties worth of research Chose expert players. Let's take for example. Tennis plays the better than to fighting where someone's going to serve the bulge. He's going to go to my forehand side on my backhand side and they could read it earlier in their in. Their opponents conserve martian so gives them that split second to move in the right direction so looking using those kind of message to look at this in law enforcement so we basically filmed some people. drawing weapons non-weapons from different places on the body. And they just you know. I got some paid them. Pizza item e pates. And doing this and then take those videos. You can imagine any time. Someone does kind of motion with a standing with the hand behind him back and i can signal to police. Object out aimed at the camera and it's a pretty quick motion. It's just within two seconds. So i take that video that two second video showed up make different versions of it. We can imagine the start of that video. Make where i cut it off. I make it stop as soon as the person's arm starts to move and then i'll make another version which shows a few frames more and then another version that show a few frames more on so i have these multiple versions of this action. And i've got the gulf guard with weapons non-weapons different locations different actors and a throw all of them into an experiment. Present those things randomly to people and just ask them to indicate with the video cuts off in goes to a black screen. Do you think that the person's drawing weapon or non weapon and so wait we doing that. We've collected dada now from experienced police offices of recruits us security guards college students just in the process of analyzing and so the one thing that i'm excited about than that could potentially lead to some training for police officers that you know if we find out that there are people who better at this and other people like for example more experienced police officers then we can try and identify what choose without paying attention to in these in these videos ease at the angle of the elbow. Is the shoulder position. Those kind of things. If we could identify those didn't we could potentially design a training program. The might help people perform better in those situations but a main. Let's put it in context. We don't want to be in those situations. Anyways ended the terrible situations to have to be faced off in order to encounter. But maybe there's something we can do to help the that county and with we've done an extension of that way instead of just using regular video filming people way did motion capture some kind of seeing that they do when they make animated movies. If you say those kind of suits those body Ping pong balls all over exactly so. I collaborated with with another professor. Neal's hopkinson here. Wichita state university using biomedical engineering. And he's got motion capture lab. And so we did that. We captured someone Drawing different objects in now only say is completely black backgrounds in you. Just say kind of a white bull are wide dot on the ankles. Knees hips wrist elbow shoulders and one in the center of the head. Because now that removes everything removes what the person looks like what clues. They're wearing the facial expression that kind of stuff so in the process of doing some of that. That's interesting because it was my understanding and by the way you throw the weirdest pizza parties well everyone to come out. Heck and but i i've seen on Just just some Some some smaller studies were like some stuff i've seen on. Tv about some of these studies is is that they relating to the race ait stuff. What The intuitive association asociation implicit associate. Yeah implicit there. We go Harp eagle implicit association does and The that that there is. There's a kind of a difference in response depending on ethnicity in it does show that that my understanding is that is that experienced police officers. Do as you would hope. Do much much better in these kind of simulations than than just your average person nuts that's ever stepped into one of these before but there but there is a an i've intentionally not to look at race as a as kind of effect all look at it from from that perspective. Yeah one of the reasons is that. I think that's just. It's a very fraught area. And it's the people who do researching that and. I think that there's enough people who do research that donate joel sauce to cut. I write some dude. I mean you understand. It would like if we didn't mention it. Obviously a gap. It's something listeners are thinking about an so i've looked at it is A lot of that research especially the the earlier research in that area Lex what we call kind of ecological validity in the. They used static images photos of people in klein of corny poses with guns in non-weapons it photo shopped among on different backgrounds. Ride the dingy alleyway versus a nice park. And i don't you know there may be some value in that kind of thing. I'm looking at it from a little bit of a different perspective. I'm trying to look at it in motion from this record. Pacific jewel cognitive expertise A lot of this is being done in sport to try to understand is their expertise on the people who are good at discriminating between days things. I think it's very tough very very tough to do. And then can we isolate if they can. Can we isolate what it is dependent to. can we use like in Like we we go to high five and and people are like well if you really want to nail the high five you look at the elbow and then you hit it each counter. Intuitive thing that that maybe maybe are a ping pong ball suit. Gallon guy is going to That's waving the fake gun around is going to be able to zero in. And then perhaps at the aid of increased technology with vr. maybe contract people's movement is the most people are paying essentially to. Maybe it's something within the hips or or a foot that there would have never noticed money. Sweeten the deal more than i gotta feed me a little better. Those do sound like fun. Pizza party so But but this is. This is the idea this is what could be exciting as you could have. The these simulations could get could get better and better and much in the way that that That pilots get better and better simulations for for for cases that they'll hopefully never even encounter. Police will be able to do the same. In one of the the neat seizes is that there's an idea of the perception and action links. So i could one way of training people is i work out what the experts are looking at and i designed kind of training program with videos. Where shoygu this try and get them to hunt on whatever. It is the oboe the ankle. Whatever is the the key piece of information but there's another side of it. It says that if people get experience doing that motions themselves. They should be better at anticipating someone else's actions alyssa. Police very rarely act. Like the bad guys have weapons or fast brilliant. Get get putting the situation where. Hey your suicide by cop situation. You wanna kind of deceives. The police officer in the sinking the wallet. Yoga pool is gun like could practices. That who who practices that but potentially right theoretically if people get practice doing those different things pulling a gun on. Police very rarely get to practice pulling gone from a concealed physician where it's not story in holster where it's stuffed into the back of their pants. If you get practice doing those kind of things say what they what that feels like. Theoretically that might help them be better at anticipating someone who's doing this that's amazing and i hate to ruin up her off point to add one more silly thing but i now obsessed with the suicide by gun. I've because i've never. I've thought of all the ways like what you like would getting hit by a bus. Be as bad as people like. Why are why are people always comparing things to getting hit by a bus. Are people getting hit by that. I do. I'm terminally ill. You jump off a cliff you go morphine us sitting sitting a garage with the cargo hanging yourself. Who does that. That seems crazy. Were painful last few. And i've never thought that death by cop that's a ballsy something a little bit of. I think it's like in the situation right. They're getting they're getting chased and then they don't wanna. They've decided themselves they don't wanna go in or not. I mean That that could happen that way. But i just have been watching a stack of videos and again on mentioned selection bias. The kind of that but it just astounded me. How many table with pleading with the police to shoot them. Please shoot me. just shoot me I don't want to kill me. Please kill me and then walking at the police with with a knife or something like that trying to get the police to shoot them. So i you know we going back to what we spoke about at the beginning about psychology. That kind of thing. I i know on the worst person to ask about anything to clinical depression and things like that. I'm not knowledgeable about that at all. But what you said. Compared to getting walking in front of a bus the thing is to walk in front of a bus. Needs you to walk in front of a bus in utica. Commits the aca. This is your kind of. You're putting it in someone else's someone else's pulling a lever. You don't have to do it so but still that's so like you know what i just i you know it's It's been it's been nice. I've had a. I've had a fun time. Like i get where things are going. I peeked. i'm just kind of you know what i'm gonna take a gamble either. Today i die or end up with a bullet in my shoulder in twenty years in prison. Like that's that's such a current plan. I could see if you're like. Well i don't want to. I robbed a bank. And i don't want to be taken alive. I get that but to like sit and plan that holy. No i never thought of that one. Before and the extent to which people slam net or whether it just it kind of happens in the moment but this people who are group's hugely in distress right this is. This is not normal regular behaviors as a people who really suffering in your have some mental mental illness issues. I've had manic episodes of my life. I've done some real crazy things so just nothing. Nothing violent. But i. I know what it's like to go completely insane in. Lose those your mind and there was even one video that i watched. I would never have believed this. It starts with a nine one one. Call a guy saying you know. I'm i'm driving to work. And i just you know pasta guy on the street. He's got a gun and he's talking with nine one one and described situation where he is exactly We've got offices on the way. And then you save the officers your turn up this body cameras. And they encountered this guy and he's got his hand in his pocket and telling you take you hand out of your pocket. Newell this kind of seeing. Initially they thought that that was the guy who would call nine one one. He was going to do not tell them. Where's this person who's got the knife and it turned out to be. It turned out to be the person who called nine one one. They called nine one one pretending right the did sly someone but they wanted to police cold onto the. Yeah yeah. there's a mad man with a knife here and then you realize that. That's how police realized this is the guy and he's just saying should be pleased. Please shoot me. Yeah and it's something amazing biggby part of the thing. Is you know dealing with reducing the incidence of mental illness. Yeah of course guys so many factors. Well thank you. You were once again. Such a fantastic guest. I thank you for for joining me. I'm i'm sure it's been a tense year for for your field of research in different journalists and stuff like that reaching out to you for for your take on things probably more than normal so i i appreciate you taking the time to Share some of your research perspective. Thank you invite me back on. It's been really fun than With a really good episode. I think i think people really really liked this. Certainly if they've listened to this long they've they must have. We went on for for longer than i even told you. We would so much of your time. And and i'm i'm sure it was worth it for the listener. Thank you so much for joining me joel. Suss everybody check out the links where i'll put the test that joel will email me and And yeah thank you just for being wonderful curious. People that like science literacy and learning about such a variety of subjects will talk with the next week. All right guys. I hope you enjoyed that episode. I thought it was a real fun one. I hope that. I've you know. I try my best to have You know sensible logical conversations. Try to have reasonable conversations and be open about my own biases but also try to be open To working past them when they're in the way of perceiving Reality in a more accurate way and And so i. I know that That guns and and And police training and everything are are an especially device of Topic at the moment. And so i. I hope that you you found this to be A sensible approach. But i'm always open to suggestions I thought it was a pretty Interesting and sensible conversation. So i hope you feel the same way and if you don't that's okay too. Thanks for listening all this way and Thanks for any support on patriae on. I'm trying out a board game night. Play codenames. I don't know if you guys have ever played. Codenames is just a fun. Easy word association game simple rules but super cerebral in in creative and and Just kind of a fun way to hang out without having to worry about I've been experimenting with several different ways of like getting people together and doing more things for patriot and more bonuses and stuff. 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"The following is offered by discerning hearts. A five hundred one. C Three nonprofit Catholic apostolate dedicated to spiritual formation through the use of new media to download this election or to browse hundreds of other programs or to contribute to our mission with a charitable donation which is fully tax deductible visit our website at discerning hearts dot com. Welcome to the Form Book Club brought to you by Ignatius Press and the Agusan Institute on the Program Today Ignatius press founder and editor Jesuit father. Joseph Ignatius press editor. Vivian do drill and bestselling author and editor Joseph. Pearce join the program as they discuss Cardinal Robert Sarah's book. The day is now far spent. This is part. Four of the discussion we all of those thousands of people who maybe listening or the four or five actually are back. I don't wash your wash of these videos or listening to any pod. Cash people will. Do you know the Internet is full of these? Things is just so much out there but honestly tell your friends about this. I mean you're not. He better book discussed this book by Chirac. You Got Vivian. Superiors and even I am here to add something or other and I just think the dishes so phenomenal and so good. It should be passed around so tell your friends like us or whatever you have to do to get people to watch us. But we're GONNA continue starting on well sexually wishes Chapter Belen Shadier and the crisis But we're GONNA talk about the Liturgy Today. Beginning a page one forty. I won't stadia it. Schloss it's one of the seven Cardinal Sans but it's more the slowest is kind of a dish interested spiritual things or lack of enjoyment or joy in things spiritual. Or would you like to add to that? Vivian or well it even starts before that with a lack of joy over the gift of life itself you know ability to take joy in the Guinness and giftedness of things and so if worship of God is the way we show gratitude or what he gives us. If you're kind of indifferent about what gives you? Are you going to be really that grateful? Are you going to go to the effort to thank him and worship him in? Listrik way that might make you get out of bed in the morning and put on some Nice Clothes. And you know you put on is closer. Mitch I try. You should give that example others but even I MAKE SMART. Ashville looksmart address dress. Well you mean never look smart but I mean you can possibly dress or a ball. Terrorism a enemies. It's hard if you're just sent in order to stay active humidity that bother to give a big talk and how you suffering release the holiness insurer for a Holy. I'D TRY TO MAKE ME SUFFER VISION. But there was a thought we wanted to begin with which was does literature. Yeah that there's a connection that that that if a senior has kind of the overarching sin of our time than fact that this is manifested in indifference as and Slovenliness with regard to the liturgy that kind of related or you Kooky Jesuit Schnell. Who no longer. Because they're the only ones there. There is a famous expression that notice confused as a Jesuit during holy week in the literacy where to go what you know would doing the. Let's go onto Carl Sera. Rhyme shows Hurrah as I say says well DELUCCI in the context of the crisis of the perch. I WANNA start a bit on forty but look at that. You've double poster Gold Circle Point would read it. I think this is Cardinal Saharan page. One forty I think that it is no exaggeration to say that the church is going through the most serious crisis of the sacrament and sacrifice of the Eucharist in her entire ESTA. Noche history So it's not just me as a pretty bad this great cargo from Africa. Who has the advantage of kind of seed literacy because he beautifully in Africa for the most part I mean into Europe in North America and recognize? What's happening he says? Hey you know this is terrible. And he's the director of the congregation for Liturgy and sacraments sewing worshiping. This the sacrifice that is right so okay. He said that a rational said that as well. I think we'd better take notice. But then the question is what is she abbad. And what is your solution? Could continue that quote because I also feel. I saw the AD. That passage highlighted continue became because Vivian Gave us the first sentence which is absolutely unequivocal by. Then you know he says the Jordan show of the liturgy did not produce expected. Fruits is absolutely necessary to continue efforts to eliminate all the folklore elements that turn you into a spectacle in the celebration of the mass. The most incredible fantasies have come to punish the possible mystery. Strange source of music have been bored cost during masses that have even being theme masses respect the liturgical wolves have insufficient safeguarded. So he is not. It's not just it's just a catalogue of errors That have been allowed To to tarnish the beauty of the sacrifice of the mass and again I find it very heartening that cardinal is being fourth why is this in his pinpointing the problems and cardinal from Africa because a lot of the Efforts to to reform the liturgy after the council had to do with evangelizing non Christian peoples bringing cultural ration- allowing their cultural practices to to to somehow integrated with the mass. And so you know if it were coming from someone else you might be able to write them. Off As one of these lord of Stuffy European fuddy-duddies over me or overly attached to Western. But no. Here's a man coming from cotton another continental culture and has this insight and a break you it breaks down the Soviet Unfortunately many of us have succumbed to the Marxist interpretation of history that basically the only reason the Wi fi like western civilization is because Western civilization is white right so we haven't know what is good and true. A beautiful is good and true beautiful because it's GonNa drew a beautiful and it doesn't matter what county come from. What coach you come from. What color your skin is that? Which is good and swim beautiful. Transcends ob stereotypes and the fact that that that he is thanks to God. By the grace of God and Africa transcends loyalties comments to stand on their own. Look at me. I'm darker than Steph. Curry is I mean. You know what I mean. I don't I count for a person of color. All father wearing black. I mean you know. Well let's move onto one forty one. Okay I mean again. What are the what are some of these? She talked to her Latin. You talked with geographic ensure by Latin disappearance of linguistic unity literacy. In favor of the rack languages is in tomorrow. One possible factor divisions. Yeah this is not the downfall that the second reading council explicitly the mom the Latin language preserve happy being faithful to not even a question of pre to post Vatican. Choose the point is. This is a denial. What just a physician that precedes. Vatican do but the denial of teachings of radical to itself right then he. He makes clear that the preservation of Latin ought to be in some parts of the mass. I think that there was supposed to be a kind of opening to the mass of the people could pray and here in their mother tongue and yet have this other unifying element to be three both present at the same time is what the council fathers intended and what we got in what we have now instead of this with these cure. Aladdin or the Nova Sorta all English. But I actually wrote to Karl Sarah this morning and told him on our book club here. I seven rereading this. I said you know cardinal routing issues. Fresh I want to propose that we produce our own missile with the authentic text of the English translation and add to it as options. Roth Latin part with the ordinary. That doesn't change the beginning of mash the accumulation. That's Greek of course but I the dish in your father and Sean. So if he preached wished to have some of the latter part of repeated day after day Sunday after Sunday appreciate it then by the way the Little Commercial Interjection here Ignatius press has a few missile. Which has the Mash in English furniture? Perish WITH BEAUTIFUL HYMNS. Some were quite modern others. Eight hundred but it tries to combine the Church's traditional treasury of music with modern contemporary music. In a way that now people can actually live the full tradition. Not just some kind of truncated is truncated. If all goes back go back to fifteen hundred. There's also truck it if you don't go beyond that would be he's seventy my action item that I already did this morning. You mentioned the caller that he might be available to appear on the on the book club. Oh I've Polish is I forgot to be. But it's like their response if I do then I'm GonNa then by the way for nuclear north of says if you says very show it Good Job Joseph. That would be great. Wouldn't it be wonderful and before we actually move on from beat backtrack? This maybe a little bit. Because overseas one carbon Samara Dasa law is to actually quote ratzinger and the OJ. This wonderful frog from the vaccine As published we must be formal resolute. That here too all in opposing rationalist relativism confusing classroom and it is of gray that if to the level of a parish key policy the one thing. I love about this book is. I don't know who is actually more forthright in condemning of modern knavish of whether it's actually carbon saw colder watching Have both yes yes indeed. So what what interested me? Most of four hundred one. Four you one question but people how the courage to follow the Council of this conclusion that let us implement what the Council fathers actually decided in desired and documents. Yes but then the question that follows that is how how is it to be done because now we have the Novus Ardo and in so many parishes throughout the country sadly you know very banal and and and uninspiring kind of thing on one hand and we have the extraordinary form in other parishes on the other hand in it. And now we're seeing kind of like into camps forming a kind of and he says here it's the one thing that supposed to be the sign of unity communion becoming a battlefield. You know this is not good for the church. So so how do we have these rights inform each other to joke for? I'M GONNA go back with two on page one. Forty three the bottom Some expression before the reformist become synonymous with the domination of one over another okay. I don't necessarily agree that entirely but I've ever heard speak about the usual reconciliation. Yes he wants to bring. It gives us the richest of the novus or no and the richest of extraordinary formed. Yes yes and. That's what we Cardinal Vaction. Poke hope That Juan would actually if you like almost like the other so we have a rich solidity around. But let's say you pay to hear because you have by camps but the point is that there is. There is something which we should be universal in uniting us which isn't and that he says he the middle of the page celebrating. Admiral Reenter is part of this is one of the treasures of the Christian people. It allows us to preserve the spirit of the liturgy all entities. Elevation must not become the expression of a partisan polemical attitude on the contrary it must remain the expression of the most intimate most essential movement of. Everyday Fiji turning toward the Lord. I I mean that's a perfect web especially the problem but it is a problem because the point is what he's saying here is that every celebration should be oriented otherwise every celebration of the mass should be oriented towards the Lord and yet in the vast majority of massive despite of the fact that Pope Benedict of made it clear that we should be turned into the Lord's the vast majority of masters do not doing that. Castillo versus opium so not partisanship. I think is hard. Part of the problem is lack of willingness on the part of many Members of the hierarchy and clergy to embrace this turning towards the Lord at Orient Eliminated. Make mistakes you because you need warmer mastery form. All massive soulread utter anthem. Nash e Congress became almost mere spectators. The Mash the Nova sorta is often celebrated versus Towards the People Council didn't even mention that And then another kind of spectacle where he's looking at the priest but I'd be moderate Trying to take the best of both sides and looking at the master structure say this first part of the math literature the word the represents God or the people and we read the word of God could scripture we comment on it and the priests therefore speaking of Africa people stationed the people and others are. There is a response is a beautiful thing was came after the council responsible. Som- this little response to the reading. Beautiful then comes the offer toward the gift. Cer- brought up that point now. The priest is longer primarily represented God of the people. You're presenting the people which is a part to God. So that's when you turn and face the altar they apple they each facial Lord and we all together offer the sacrifice and then there's not poor the math people off the the concentrations of the yes type mashed a high point of the Mash. It wasn't a priest as the spouse of Christ church back the people and offers of the blind but of Christ were say receive. Spousal embrace that so I love back to the people curse Lord Foul. The whole movement of it is so radic dramatic and then passionate without movement. You Know Joseph can't have a good story without movement beginning middle and end and things reversing in could play for want of a better word of the under under the circumstances. That was advocate here by suggesting that. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa meet you but go ahead. Good negative actually always moves forward. I would I would suggest that when the priest is speaking or the people he should be facing the same direction as the people As well as when he's actually sacrifices to be facing towards the Lord so actually see no particular need for there to be this solution between adobe versus popular that said before you down in flames. I have me respect and sympathy for those that. Have your vision of what nobis order should be and I have no problem whatsoever. I've been part of that one of the many years of course when you both the best day I attended mass celebrated by useful way many times. But do you do see this decision over twain readings in which there is teaching and going on in which the previous actually preaching or reading who the people I mean she will onto between reading the official facing the altar. Well no because I expect. I think he's he's with the people and the other side of the stage. I think. Part of the psychology is because of what we used to if one person's face invest verse one one audience. I think that's part of the G. is decorated long. Form the faced in that manner. Would you please turn around in? Sorry would you please turn around in we? We're speaking to each other. Were fishing each other material around. The match is not best speaking to each other. It is it absolutely is Guy. Speaking to us through the priest absolutely is speaking Louis with the freese whereas the second part of the mess is our offering ourselves to God through the priests gone as I said I beg to differ and I think some or Father. I think the fact is that I'm going to say you know if any aspect of the masses optum their poisonous it mass running nonsense like that you know both and not either or I just finish the warm. I don't think efficiency or a defect. In the fact that the before the mass there is no versus opulent mentioned except of course the tornado. The turning for the for the The atmosphere and when you actually showing the Sacramento the people in that. That's obviously that we started out of that. I think phenomenologically though that the readings are an expression God speaking to other people appreciate don't spe- he'll with your back to them or ash phenomenologically the sacrifices we are all facing the Lord. We're all talking to him. There's a difference shit. The first part of the mass we're speaking to the people the second part of the half mast. We're speaking of God. But anyway let me just say one thing here by way of concluding this aspect of discussion and command be considered to the same time if the discussion over. The Liturgy was between my perspective. Which I've asking staffer the woman yours. Which is the lowest order manager to say? What a glorious church we'd be in the. Both of those perspective is true. I agree with father so Vitucci wants pointing out a pure democracy. So we're not shooting but just just for the record says here just makes so much sense to me and there are so but but the question of this. What is the future developments supposed to be? Because a Cardinal Sarah does talk about is on page. One forty four enlightened by the teaching of the mode appropriate by Benedict's sixteen strengthened by the audacity. Pope Francis is time to take its conclusion this process of reconcile the liturgy with itself. What a magnificent sign would be. If in the next edition of the reformed Roman missile. We could insert as an appendix the prayers at the foot of the Altar Romney extraordinary form perhaps in a simplified adapted version and the prayers of the offer Tori that contains two beautiful epoch leases. It complements the Roman Canon. Then it would finally be obvious that these two forms throw light on each other mutually in continuity and without opposition. So he actually gives us a practical recommendation or some way in which these to liturgical forms can be reconciled with each other. There was from this morning. I said I don't need any special mission inclusive some Latin option because they're already approved could including the appendix. Just which are asking for. Because if you go most of you watching their solicitous do not have a Roman missile of the full thing in your house but if you go to your church your perish back to the sheriff she go to the back dependencies in the appendices their preparation for mass that they giving they're gonNA depreciate Thomas The Persian arrows that's wonderful but can we also add for the altar North Troy prayers. We must say a Joseph will probably go this. I do think that if you go look. In the short reform the part of the council the octroi pairs are very beautiful but they immediately anticipate too much. The consecration is too much the sacrifice taking place. I really do like this implicitly. Depression often prayers Trudeau divine. Where he would hand? This is our offerings ourselves. So I'm not going to have a campaign against using the former offered prayers. But at least they should be in the office in the bendix reviews if they wanted to let let me say one thing. I can say many things show so we never nuked you. Make me make me basically. I have no quarterback. And he's being stabbed worked to just go back to the words of Kado Salon backup. I used one hundred forty the just to put it on macro from the from the cotton himself beginning of the final paragraph on that page it is necessary to encourage strongly the possibility of celebrating according to the old moment missile as a side of the judge's permanent identity what was until nineteen sixty. Nine that The church the most sacred thing I saw an op become off tonight. Sixty nine the most unacceptable thing so I think the reconciliation with extraordinary form Which which thank speed. The goal of the bended the sixteenth with emotion with the motor. Krio is something which is essentially actually. Have this reconciliation between the two forms while a war between the two of them on the crime. Delighted about a Netflix specialization. I think is the DOPP payday. Maybe even being poetic the top trading in the Holy Spirit between the choke for the Liturgy speaking as a priest trying to promote this reconciliation. You Hack. You're willing to go to bound do that. Because here's two things a people in public mind associate any lack in the mash or fishing east as a rejected. The council which is totally false. Really ready to do battle because val words valve ideas because you gotta corrected false idea spree and share this with your friends and especially Chur. That's the most important and I. I agree with the signed battles before we have to lose people from the position where all not from the whole about because that's what what's given In the celebrations Jeanette in their own parishes towards a full understanding. What the validity. The Eucharist is as Expedited by better than sixteen and by all so basically is moving being people who wars the Lord if you like in the understanding of what the truth said the Is I have a factual question. When he says for what was until one forty three the quote that Joseph just read for what was until nineteen. Sixty-nine literally the Liturgy of the Church. But did it all we lost Joseph. Well we lost Joseph and I think we will take that as a sign to stop stop for now and continue this finish on the liturgy the next week when we find Josef again thank you for joining us for the formed. Book Club brought to you by Ignatius Press and the Augustine Institute for more information on how you can instantly get thousands of movies. 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65: Interview With Ross Jeffries

Rapid Change Matters

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65: Interview With Ross Jeffries

"Welcome to episode sixty five of the rapid change matters podcast a conversation with master, personal change and Transformational Communication Ross Jeffries Aka, Paul Ross my name's Howard Cooper and for over fourteen years now I've been fascinated with helping people to create personal change quickly. Price still come across many who believed that lost personal change has to take a long time. Consisting of reliving traumas or deep psychological analysis or simply that flawed notion that understanding why you have a problem will somehow make it go away. I'm on a mission to get people who work therapeutically with others to shift thinking. And realized that these beliefs not written in stone. Rapid change can happen so to help you open up to what's possible. I'm chatting with top therapists and agents of change who are out there getting real results with the real people really quickly. Before. We get to the interview. I've got big news. Rapid Change Works is now running live training events, and you can check out the latest events coming up by visiting rapid change. Don't works where you can also download a free quick to read pdf on five strategies to amplify your clients response along with all the information about this episode and episode still to come. Now. The interview. Many years ago when I came across NLP, I heard whispers of a man who could NLP women into bed. I'll be honest as a young man. At the time. It did Pique my interest. I asked others about it. Some told me it was an ethical. Some told me it wasn't true. Some said he didn't even exist. He was rumor. Hearsay. And I remember thinking that regardless of whether you like that kind of thing or not someone who knows how to communicate powerfully enough to not only do that, but can teach men how to change their perceptions quickly his someone like the open and curious to meet, and to talk to well the man behind the myth, the founder of speed, seduction and someone who also trains people to sell better joins me today, and I'm thrilled to have him, but a little anxious. In case they end up wanting to date him Ross. welcomed. Rapid Change Conversation while thank you, and as we begin this expiration of. Unconscious and subconscious, influence, persuasion and change. I'm not sure all the ways in which your listeners might stop and find myself getting more and more fascinated about what I have to say, maybe to the point where you think to yourself I've gotTa talk to Paul More but assets taking place I'm just so honored to be here today. It's really really good to have you and I'm fascinated if we can dive straight in how you got started in all of this, and the reason I ask is because a lot of people that I come across an interview on this. They have a personal back. Story of you know they was struggling. They will rank just they would depress, they will. Will. You were shy, retiring guy who couldn't woman. Twenty two year old virgin until I accidentally lost my virginity to a rotund. ADIPOSE young woman from Madison Wisconsin Next Megan Kathleen Donovan thank you Meghan and then went five years without touching a woman, and it was the most brutally I called the Mike Ghost years because I wandered around the UCLA campus from which I had matriculated, I love that word matriculated just with no friends. Hoping I'd meet someone who had he been talked me. SCHLOSS WANNA date. Date me, and it was very painful. Because of the time when young adults are forming their first relationships and explain what that means I had nothing and no, and I try different things I read different books, and they did nothing for me I. Tried Therapy Talk Therapy, and that did nothing for me, and it was just extremely lonely painful, and then through some twisty. Turns and etc.. Stumbled onto my first NFL. People really made sense to me. I tried some other ones, but that was frogs into princes, and I remember sitting there and the book store. There used to be bookstore by the way for those who listening This one I believe is Barn I. Don't remember which one this was now gone. Anyway. I started reading frogs, and the prince's now I. Don't know if you've ever had the experience of instantaneously connecting with something recognizing Oh, my God. This is for me, but within the first ten pages my skepticism was gone. I thought I'm going to master this, and it took me then I went to a seminar with Richard where he pulled me up on stage into a hypnotic state show with me. And I watched some videos. I learned a lot from watching videos of Richard Teach, and it took me about a year and a half two years struggle to map everything from NLP over into seduction. See there's any model that you know for sales. There's therapeutic work, but no one before it ever done a model for seduction, and that was my unique contribution, and can I tell about how it worked for the first time. Yeah, please please well I was working as the litigation paralegal and sole practitioner the only. Only lawyer was out of town in the had fired the secretary, so it was up to me to interview. New prospects are secretaries, and this young woman comes in hot can be and I thought okay. Dr Frankenstein time to use your stuff on her, and I could see from her non verbals. Her face was flushing or lower lips got bigger and of course I saw bling bling I thought. Let's invite her to coffee. Coffee turned into dinner in the middle of dinner. She leaned over and said my Thong. Need. Now. We know the hypnosis field. This is known as organ language or Ideo Motor, responses and I said. That's because you're telling has a message. What is your message? And she said I'm going income. I said okay. Let's go back to the office. And that ended five years of involuntary Celibacy, my bosses desk, and that's what I thought. Okay, and then I experienced some serious time distortion because my sense of reality had been so warped, turned inside out that I got lost on the freeway. An hour seemed like five seconds. Five minutes of it was crazy. It was crazy time. How did you did you have times where you mapping this across? And you were exploring and experimenting with this, and it really just wasn't working and many many many times will. How did you keep going? What would you do prices that you tell yourself to keep going well? Okay, it's not working, but I'm I'm buying moving first of all. I had no choice. It was either this or die lonely that was it. So the pain of not per. Going forward was far worse than going forward. That's the first thing the second thing I've always believed. Since I was a child that I was put here for a purpose and a mission, a life's path, and I knew once I got into this. It would be part of my life's path or my life's path I just always knew it and I'm stubborn as a meal. I hate quitting. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hated hated I hate it. I'd rather go through I have a new affirmation that I came up with fairly recently, which is uncertainty and confusion are my joyous gateways to my. My purpose, my passion, my joyous achievement, amazing, personal and financial goals, so I guess on some level I always believed that and then. My mother, who is one of the greatest teachers in my life, taught me that I could learn to figure out anything. So all those things combined, and then there's the joy of doing quite frankly. I'm an incredibly create a person. Creativity is at my very soul. I've been depressed and creative. I BEEN MANNEQUIN CREATED I've been neutral and being creative. I just couldn't stop creating. I couldn't do it. So this just evolved was born out of a passion for creativity and knowing that you could knowing you. Mission and tremendous tolerance for pain and confusion. Mendes tolerance, and it turned into a joy at the Phnom after while you really stick with, it can transform the joy of not knowing. And human beings as we could get into later when I talk about one of my great teachers Shenyang Human Beings to not like. Don't know and confusion, but I learned to enjoy it. Look forward to it, which is transformational. Well I want to move forwards to now. If you're helping someone who's really struggling in a nervous, anxious, anxious about approaching, anyone don't even know where to begin. How much of these things of that were important for you in terms all being okay with uncertainty and confusion. How much of that comes out to help others? That's tremendous. Thing that I teach people see I. Think there are different kinds of hate it got want blip. Hang people upside down and beat them with a rod when they say just had my confidence well, there's more than one kind of confidence and the confidence is not a thing when people say you have to have more confidence that's as we know an annual Peon, novelization and a novelization place when you take an activity, processor verb, and you turn into a noun, so I tell people well. There's no such thing as anxiety. You don't have approaching sight easy. You don't you do the process of anxiety? And oftentimes when it comes for men, approaching women's ninety nine that it's just sexual overload. They have such a sexual charge in their body. Did you ever see the movie spinal tap? I haven't. It's funny. mockumentary about a fictitious rock band and at one. He notices the interviewer notices that their amps go up to eleven and he says why don't you just make ten louder and the guy says OSCO to eleven. And so the problem is. They're so amped up. So I tell people look you're not. You don't have anxiety you're doing. The process called that you're labeling anxiety, so let's look at the process. One of the things I, tell people and teach people is. If you label something as a noun are about being something outside of yourself. You can't contact the process going on inside you, but if you can make contact with that process, you can then begin to shift it. You can change the elements. You can use your body to ground it down into the ground. You can work with the energy energetically. You can work with linguistically. But this orientation I get people that they don't and they don't want a thing. Called confidence I to say when I did my seminars for lonely, geeky forty year old virgins. It's not funny, but it. It is funny, but it's kind of funny. I'd say people want more confidence with hot women every Hamid go. And say Okay I have a fifty gallon jug of confidence fluid up in my hotel room. It's a thousand dollars, a gallon I'll drill a hole in the top of your head and pour it in guaranteed to work. Who wants that? And they got a big laugh out of it because they recognize, it's not a thing or quality they have. That's limited like porridge that you dole out an orphanage. Please can add some all. It's an activity that you do that arises in your neurology, and by the way it ebbs and flows maxes in Wayne's. It's Never Ra- moment to moment. This is another myth. That your quote confidence quote. Your motivation is always going. Be the same being that it's more fluid and a process. It's going to change in intensity over time. I. I totally make sense and I talked with people often about the fact that I am convinced that some of the I would say there's a dark site. The personal development tropes that are often banded around so this. Is How yeah for sure, but this idea that? Everyone has to be positive all the time and that I'm only a normal person. If everything is going well for me at all moments of every time. And you get people who go you know? I have to be juiced up on life one hundred percent of the time, and I'll say oh. Really what a what is being do stuff on. The toilet looked like. What is being juiced up when you've lost a loved one or win your have? Your body is an unbelievable pain. I think it's far more useful when I when people are really down in the dumps. And they WANNA. Get positive and happy again. I said if you were driving your car. And doing a hundred miles an hour, the freeways. And suddenly had to stop, would you rapidly throw it into reverse? No. You'd put it in neutral. I, so I think Neutra is far more useful state to get to you, but neutrality is not sexy. You can't get up on stage in front of forty thousand people like Rony Tobin's. I won't even say his real name and get into a get everyone to a peak state by the way I was at a road. Rony Tob Bucket Tony Robbins. Get Yeah I. Call Him. Rufus t glitter teeth. With a big smile I was glittered teats event Anaheim the duck pond. It's a big stadium down. There dislike anyway. They're thirty thousand people on Tony. Said repeat after me I am the voice, and everyone yelled I am the voice, and he said I will lead, and not follow and forty thousand sheep build I will lead, and not follow and I yelled out. I won't. An amazing he called a break. Forty thousand leaders ran out to the toilets and ran out to the concession stands. But there is this idea, isn't that the within the puzzle development will that we have to all be leaders like what if it's okay not to be? What if it's? Just, to be normal. It's perfectly fine. It's perfectly fine. It's it's. It's a myth again. I WANNA smack some of these people, and that ridiculous piece of Shit Book Thinking grow rich was is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. And they turn the Polian Hill to figure like Jesus Christ, and think of grow rich as I could Bible if you dare question that and the realm of stuff development personal achievement. Here's a question for all your audience and a question, if you are in two areas of losing weight making money and finding your soulmate, how many millions of copies of books not individual titles, but actual millions of copies of books have been sold in the last year in the Western. World Give it a Bob. Millions, millions, let's say fifty million just to be conservative. Then why don't we see fifty million skinny rich people madly in love with their partner? Something is wrong in-between. The information slaps inspiration and the implementation. There's a giant gap and my claim to fame as having worked with the most impact acted screwed up. Stuck people in the world I've seen deeper into that gap than anyone else in the personal change world I know what it is. The keeps people stuck and for me. It's less about being positive than it is about getting the fuck out of your own way. So, how do you get people to get the fuck out of the room way? Well first and foremost I get them to stop asking the wrong questions. For example, guys will come to me and they say why can't I be really successful the women now when you ask yourself the question. Why can't I be successful? Women are why do I always fuck it up with women? What you're doing is you're looking into your past and you're looking at all your mistakes. You're running to your mistakes over and over and over again now here's a lot of the mind that I made up, which is the mind works on repetition, frequency and momentum, so the mind also can't tell the difference between what you're dwelling on and what you're programming back in, so if you're looking at your mistakes, you're good intention is you're trying to learn from them, but what you're doing is you dwell on them? is just your programming the back end? And, of course, when you program them back in when you go out the world, and you're in that context, of course, the brain is GonNa. Do what you program back in. It's not that you're a thing. Called A self-sabotager, or you have a mythical lack of some mythical substance called self esteem. You have shitty learning strategy. You have a confidence problem your shit learning strategy. Does that make sense? It makes total sense any. Is this why the people say that traditional counseling and that kind of? Let's just talk about the problem where? Of course fucking doesn't work because you're just having people fixate and suggest the problem back into their heads. That's why like more solution oriented therapies. Well. You say that you say that, but I have to tell you I had a client. Fifteen year old girl who came to see me and cheap into a school counselor. WHO She'd having panic attacks things it for three and a half years in the school council did have a very solution focused approach for her because that she she needs to have a cup of tea before she goes to bed. So. That's the problem I. Mean You know it? Doesn't seem to work, but it was solution focused well rely Richard. Bandler made a good point. He said therapy is the only one of the few. Professions where you don't have to make a guarantee I've spent thirty forty fifty thousand dollars on talk, therapy and different things and got nowhere. Ballard once said and again he said some Brian Things. If you took your car mechanic and your mechanic did ten thousand dollars of work in the car still didn't run, he said sorry. The car has to be ready to change. Bring it back when it's ready to change. You could probably get your money back, but you can't do it therapy now, not to say some therapists are not naturally good healers not to say that they're all use. Some of them are very very useful. They have good modalities or they. are able to naturally do things well, but they don't know the structure of their talent. Do you think people should be teaching these ideas in schools getting installed at a younger age this way of thinking. I think people should be teaching this. As soon as possible the idea, the skillset of emotionally self-regulating is not something that's even brought up, but if you can teach people, a good technique to self, regulate their emotion and their emotional responses, and to increase their executive function. A lot of people get into trouble. Just don't have good executive functioning. They've never been taught. I think some of them just have brain structures though too damaged. Kiki, these skills cuts is at an early age and teaching how to think critically I don't know exactly how it is in the UK and across the world, but in the United States critical thinking is virtually non-existent, and those who do think critically are viewed as subversive intellectuals who need to be shouted down particularly with the current political situation, and and the rest of the. Politically correct nonsense going on yet that there seems to be a huge prevalent in what. I would call sloppy thinking. Which is founded on this idea that if someone feels something. Then, you must have meant it that way or the other piece of stupidity where I wanNA plant some face. What's true for you is true for you which true for me is true for me? Great? Tell you what dude or our lady. I if it's true that you nothing bad ever happens you because you believe it. Won't. I challenge you to stand in front of a speeding train doing one hundred fifty kilometers an hour and come out unscathed. Go ahead and do it I'll give you a million quid as you guys would say if you can do that so I'm reading between the lines hair and it seems to me that you're a big fan of the law of attraction. Oh Fuck you the law first of all. Let's talk about this. There's a what do you mean by law? Is there the law that you argue in court? Is there the law is the law of physics by the way? If you're proclaiming something to be a law of physics or log nature. Show me the map. Not Math behind it. It's not a law to his every law. Physics has math behind it, so my answer, the summit says they have a law that applies to the way the quote universe. Close quote works I. Just say show me the math. The math then I'll consider it. If you don't have the math, it's not a law. It's your stupid. Conjecture about how things work, but don't call it a law. So say you're a fan. I'm not and here comes my Magi my executive assistant. I have two of them. Next she's a year old. She likes to help me work. That's that's just for the Audience Ohio. You don't realize that because they see with this Louis. Ross. It just showed me his pussy cat. she's a good girl. Neck goes dilute tortoise, and she's going to try and step on the Keyboard Neka. No. Yeah well I, am totally with you on the law of attraction stuff and. I also I don't know about you, but I've come across a lot of people who there's like a downside dark side of it, which is number of people I've seen in my clinic because they come on the go Howard I. Really believe in the Lord of attraction like I've had these terrible terrible things that going to happen to me and I can't get them out my head and I know if I can't get them out of my head. It's going to happen. Well! I would say think about that. How many people in the world have phobias flying? Who really believed the plane's GonNa Crash. Let's say five million than why don't we see five million plane crashes every day? how many people believe they're going to win the lottery then? Why don't we see five million lottery winners every day? So those millions of starving kids in Africa just don't want the food enough or they don't believe they deserve it. Come on. Get Get. Get with the program here, but that's what they would say, isn't it and that's the thing that they would go. Will they oversee? Just don't really believe that enough online. Find it odious. And I. I think there's a little bit I. Certainly think that if you have beliefs that say that you. If, you have beliefs about your capability and belief about your sense of possibility, and then you're willing to put in the work. It's more likely that you'll succeed in what you than what you the you won't, but that has to do. With. Your own actions and what you can control, not the way the laws of physics work. Yup So, can you give me some examples of people I mean? Obviously, this is the rapid changes podcast I love getting people to talk about people that have coming one way. There's been some work and pretty quickly they've. Experienced changes? Oh yes I have cy history member. I have thirty two years under my belt of working with the most impacted, screwed up people in the world, and so I had a guy I was doing a clinic at one of my speed selection seminars. We're doing our segment on destroying approaching Zaidi and had a beautiful female volunteer, and the guys are about ten. Ten guys on stage, and never GONNA, take turns talking door I saw one of them, shaking with fear and assume you're afraid. Even being on stage all right, he said yeah, forget about the girl. I'm terrified of you. Being up here I sent back to their seats I said. We're going to get you over this fear, but you have to do everything. I'm going to tell you to do I made the devils pack? The same thing Jurgen does I said if I show you how to get over this, but I promise shoots. Illegal, dangerous or fattening. What you do! He said yes. So I, said, here's what you're. GonNa do the problem is not your freightage speaking to people. The problem is that you're ashamed of your fear. So. We're going to get you to admit you've been a very special way, and you're going to go up and talk the audience. You're going to say the following. You can say I'm terrified of speaking you. But everyone. Look at your watches within I duNno, it certainly won't be fifty seconds probably won't be in a minute but in. A minute and thirteen seconds in a minute and forty seconds. My fear will disappear. Everyone look at what go and he was ready to vomit the first time he said that, but you know what everyone looked watches, and he got to look terrible confusion as face. He looked at me. He looked at the audience. He looked at me. He looked at the audience that could see him a little bit. I said do it again. This time is a little more confident. He said everyone looked at their watches and sure enough. Everyone looked at our watches and straighten up. He looked at me with a look of puzzlement and by the third time. His body language shifted I didn't tell him stand straighter. Speaker voiced dropped and active, and he said he was like completely confident. And I think he said at that point. Okay. Fuckers just look at your watches and everyone royd now. How was it possible for me to do that? Did I put him in trance officially? Know what happened was. It wasn't enough for me to tell him. First of all. I had him bind to the presupposition. That's pure Milton Erickson I don't know what point you're gonNA. Make the shift change, but I also had did something else. I had instruct everyone to look at their watches, so he was confused. Are the audience people who are going to judge Jim? Are there people there to obey his every command? You understand and so it was that little extra piece of induced scenic, useful therapeutic confusion. That allowed him to make the shift. Beautiful Beautiful Yup and I came up with it on the spot. Now there's several things are could I could've taken him back. Stay put him in a deep trance, and shifted his believes and were done. Some anchor collapses about it and have the time. I'm slow down whole seminar and that's an example of. Doing anything and everything you can. To create change rapidly without relying on one technique. What a change workers need to be able to have that. Ability to make stuff up the works on the spot. I think they have to have a very open mind. They have to absolutely not be dogmatic or doctrinaire about what it is, that will work. They have to have a lot of different techniques and tools in their bag of tricks and not be willing to say. This is the only thing that will work. And, then they just have to be able to look at the situation in the context and say what do I need to do in this context and in this situation and finally out to say. You have to be in total service. To that person. When I work with people I don't like him all the time, but I love all of them not in a romantic sense in a sense I'm totally there only to be a service to them. My Ego will come in later. I'll say later. WHO's the greatest of all time, but while there with them my? Ego and EGO is not a thing granted. It's a novelization. My desire need to be seen as the greatest is set aside the only thing that's there, and present is my love for the student or client, and my utter devotion seen to change. That's it nothing else matters in the world, and at that moment they are my entire world. I love that because this theme of I mean you said earlier about the thing that screwed people up. They narrow head and we need to get the fuck out of their own way. And it seems to me as though in that moment like that practicing what you preach just in the moment you'll present with that person and you're not. They're saying well. Should I do anchoring should I do this should not do that show, it'll take. No, it's just flowing just coming I. I hate the word channel I sorta instantly came me what Milton Erickson would do. It's that little piece. The Eric Sonian piece was have everyone look at their watches because that was a way of rapidly changing the belief. By creating confusion, I, remember reading something Erickson. The collective, the Whitton wisdom and Milton Erickson. Wisdom Milton Erickson. We, he said virtually everything I do involves a confusion and confusion, both also installing to artfully confused your prospect at the right time. Is Very very useful, so confusion is an pattern, interrupts or extremely powerful. They're one of the things I. Rely on pretty consistently. that. It reminds me of the timeless on I. Always I've never shared this story on a podcast. I've shed in private group of people that have come to hear me talk on seminary to Bergen. Called cringe-worthy conversations, but I had. was born out of that kind of just seat of the pants flew state. I'm just doing what? Works and it was with a fourteen year old thumb SOCCO. Who came to see me and? I gotta hear this well. This guy comes in and the mother had been like I. You know I want to be with him for the session. And he was like okay. You can be here with me. And the two of them are sitting in my office, unlike some weird tension between the two of them, the mother and the son not quite sure she wanted to be there and. He just I said so. This is about thumb sucking right? You went yeah. Lows the stuff that I often do collapsing hankers doing Pau integrated and I just threw on the window, because something just struck me, just came to me and I went. Do you really WanNa stop sucking them. Yeah The note. You really want to stop. Yeah I, said Okay because ultimately. It's your choice. If you WANNA carry on sucking amongst hits, you can. He just like went bright red. The mother went bright red, and he just went knew what do you mean? What do you mean like? No, that's not what I'm doing. I said well. What do you think it is? You born came at your mom's Jonah. Kicking and screaming and she held to her chest, and you suckled. You suck it. That's what you did and it makes. You feel good, didn't it? And then after a year, she wanted to stop, and you wanted to carry on, so you had to find a substitute. That's a great reframe so now fourteen years later you know and then. I just looked over at the moment I said mum, doesn't it give you some warm feeling to know that? Your son still wants to be that intimate with you. And he just lost. He just looked is Tom, and he was like shaking, and he looks at it and just goes. Not Doing again. Great refrain, great pattern and abrupt, and it's not something you could talk, because it's based on years of experience, and there's so many different ways to a dealt with that, you could have prescribed the symptom. You could supposedly I don't know if it's if he was a sin ambulance. You could put him in kick. The mother out of the room put them in trance and told them every time. You go to suck your thumb, your elbow will lock. Is If. You believe that I think that's a a fairy tale. A bandler tale but who knows. Brain piece of work. Thank you, thank you. Thank you out of interest that that that that's curious to me that you said that. Maybe that's a fairytale. How much of these stores seem to fanciful to good? Do you think are true and all the ones that you have witnessed yourself where you've done yourself? But other people inhering would go. No No, no, no, no, no. I don't I I? There's no way to quantify that I think there's some tall tales told by some people to maybe strike a metaphorical point. They're speaking metaphor. They just. WanNa make themselves look better than are. I'm not gonNA say who they are. And and I my answer that is I don't know people watching what I do not knowing. My Algorithms would say how the hell did he do to that? That's impossible. Like Louis through. That was looked. That's edited. TV I hate to break it to you Howard. But TV documentaries are not presented the way they actually happened. There's. GonNa, Do that to me although that bit where I hypnotized that woman right in front of everyone that was true. That was not rehearsed. She was not shell. That happened as as it was shown, that was recorded. Exactly what happened. Yeah. That that that that's that's cool. So what else I mean we've got? You mentioned when we did the rapid fire round and I just love this the first question. I asked you. What's the worst advice currently being given, how can will change what? I just loved your answer I just I just is a fantastic. Can you remind everyone what you said? And why as well just be yourself? I said what if yourself, as fucked, up nasty? Limited pressed what the Hell is that? This is a piece of advice. That guy's given when they want to date successfully. Just be yourself what that really means is. Don't try to improve your communication skills, don't it? Acquire more flexibility requisite variety. Just keep doing what you're doing, and also there are times when you shouldn't be yourself or are on. Jesus Christ always being AUTHENTIC GOING TO BE A. Bullshit, so you go to Christmas and grandma. NICI was sweater. That looks like a piece of roadkill. That's been stretched out on a limb and she says how do you like it? Are you supposed to say Gramont. This is the worst piece of Shit Gift I've ever gotten. No, you're going to be inauthentic. Anna fantasy phoniness! Rehearse. Responses are part of the grease, the lubricant for the friction of interacting society. If a COP pulls you over at least in the United States and you really WanNa tell them fuck off. No, you're going to be yes, officer, no officer. So the name of the game is not authenticity or authenticity, the name of the game is freedom and choice. It's far more powerful. Say Have the choice to be authentic whatever that means and this whole idea of being yourself implies itself is a thing and through meditation you gain the insight that self is not a thing. It's a flow in a process and there's a lot of research. This suggests that self committee that there's actually multiple aspects of the brain. Forget about NLP parts. parts just a useful metaphor I mean in terms of neuro. They've shown that. The brain thinks in different parts of the brain light up. There's executive function that's the neo. CORTEX is more million. Underneath the NEO CORTEX. There's Reptilian you could even look at self in terms of neurotransmitters is a cortisol adrenaline, or is it Serotonin, dopamine and endorphins? There's a lot of different levels to look at this, but self as thing, or there's only one I remember. This great story was accosted by some scientologists who said would you like to take a free personality test and allegedly said I only get the test one of them. But if someone writes always be authentic on facebook, and they put a background of like a beach, and they make it really swirly and put some nice music behind it. Surely It's more profound does a statement. Maybe it has more attention grabbing optics for people who have six second attention span of a Goldfish, but it's not true. I get rid of your until I make it my business sometimes on my social media feeds to point out stupid tropes that when people right swimming stuff and they put, but then you're being divisive. You're being divisive now. Well well, yes. We should make a divide between militant stupidity and accurate critical thinking. Precision and thinking this is another one. You just have to be passionate. Passionate without precision is a formula for disaster. Precision without passion is just mental matched or I think finding the right mix of precision and passions. Is the name of the game. You have to be precise. Where're you going moving forwards in terms of the future? What are you hoping to do more of the? Subtle. Selling I'm teaching subconscious communication for. Sales and influence and persuasion for sales on taking everything I've done with persuasion and. Strike that with seduction, dating method over into selling. And this is completely. Bat Shit off the wall. Crazy stuff for me. Selling is not about getting your ideas into your prospects mind. It's about expanding their consciousness to include your ideas now. The idea sales being about expansion of consciousness is absolute. Bat, Shit Crazy. Timothy leary seventy sixty stuff. Tune in drop out. To whatever it is, and so this is a revolutionary way of looking at sales, and my clients are getting create now. You have to have an existing sales. Process of I'm going to work with you. You have to be someone that's already doing good six or seven figures. YOU HAVE TAB in existing sales process, and you have to be a already a champion I. I I call it the sales edge if you if you want to get an edge on your own, personal best and get an edge on competition, then on the Fella to talk to and I also wrote this wonderful book. Subtle words South I've got to read it. It's really really cool. I love it. I love it, and it brings a lot of stuff that. I've been aware of under that kind of area, so it's it's really I. Recommend it so. I'm curious. People will hire you to do the sale stuff. Did they ever kind of look at your pass and? We're not. We're not having that. What do they look the other way round? I don't tend to talk too much about it I just tell them I've been a dating coach, but you know what I am absolutely not for everyone. If you're easily offended, don't work with me. If you don't have a big budget because I am the most expensive coach manager. You'll ever be glad you hired. Period and if you just have a button down mind that doesn't want to. Go through some confusion, and really exchange changed the entire way. Think about sales on plants get lost. But if you're already doing really well, I mean Nid six to seven figures, or you're willing to get there. You have a good sales process. You're already successful. There's the possibility that I might work with you I really an extremely busy and expanding to do a lot of stuff. It's such a cool response. It's true and I'll give. And I also have a ninety day personal change mentorship program, but that's that's into the one two. That's into the five figures, but if you WanNa, talk to me, it's easy. Just email me Paul at Speaker Paul Ross. Dot, com, you can put that in the notes, so it's Paul Speaker Dot Com. We'll have a little chat and I can send you an application for him because I do screen people. It's fantastic i. am really curious about something that I heard you say when I saw you cheap clip of you in front of our very kindly wonderfully. Welcoming audience of women. That was in English chat show. They tried to ambush me in this chat show. The producer didn't tell me that they have. All female audience is back in Nineteen, ninety two, and when they brought me out on stage, she gave me a shitting grand. I looked I thought. I'm not trapped in here with them. They're trapped in here with me I'M GONNA. Kick everyone's ass. With the intrigue me with something, he said. Again he's Kinda. Come Out! As we've been talking. But that does the difference between what women say they want and what they respond to. I said there's what women say they want. There's what women think they want. Then there's what they actually respond to Freud. Asked the question what a women want! What a dumb fuck! STUPID QUESTION! Who Cares People's behavior shows you. What really matters so I'm only interested in what people respond to. That applies to everybody. Not, just women, but in the context of wanting to really irritated and enraged the women in the audience, because my calculation was the more enraged they are. Shout me down the more the men watching this guy has something to say. You got a higher. A higher learnt by my products Yeah Hey, they will. They certainly responded Bates. Let me respond to. That is for show. Thumb? Enjoyable cl it. Really good so I recommend people. Go and look at that as well but I. What is the difference between what they say? They want what they think. They won't and indeed how they respond. How would you to this this? This is A. Present you is only dammit Neka on. Everything present you. My Magi is up here given the hell. Everything I present. Is Not true with a capital T.. It's just my map. Just my model but I would say that first and foremost the men and women are equally emotional, but we men tend to our emotions in sequence. When we're angry, were angry when we're happy. We're happy when we're loving loving when we're Horny, were horny. Women tend to have emotions about their motions. You know what the concept Meta states is. An NLP states about so just because it's feeling turned on doesn't mean it's on now. She could be curious about her. Being turned on, she could be anxious. About being turned on so I, I think that's the first thing. The second thing is I. Think Women respond to a man who can lead them into states conscious exciting I teach. My male students are when I used to do this. Forget about behaviors forget about trying to get a phone number or thinking do I take around the date? Instead think what states of consciousness do I want this percent in? When they receive my message same thing when I keep sales, don't think first of all how to present your marketing plan. Instead think what states of consciousness I want this person in so if for example wanted to create fascination before you present your marketing plan or even do your screening process, I would say something like before we explore this opportunity together I just want to invite you to share your answers to some questions that would help us clarify why we'd make a good fit to work together. Do you understand how that's creating the permission for them to really open up by giving all those suggestions. And then you do your screening process because you're far more likely to get honest and non conflicted answers, so this all applies to outselling. Because here recreating upstate of feeling open and feeling before through three words, we said as we are sharing. This exploration. Of working together, so those words we. Share and together we, we share together. Implies a relationship. There what I call implied relationship where it's the name of the book is sorta words Itsel, so before you do your screening process, and you're qualifying process great, go ahead and use your existing marketing model, but sort of bolt on or put this stuff in front of it, so you're creating that state of conscious of feeling and deeper, poor and a willingness to be led and the ability and willingness to be honest before you ask the qualifying questions. Do you understand so this turbochargers, your existing sales process? Did you think a lot of people in sales because I've told US sales and businesses, and I see a lot of people. I would say the biggest mistake they make is that they think they're selling to themselves. They basically know how you'd be sold to. Know I think the big mistake is the large. That's true, but the larger mistake is. They think they're selling their product or services. You're never selling your product or service. You're always selling decisions and good feelings about decisions. And you are not a salesperson year decision service technician. At the. All. That's the power of Metaphor. The metaphor is a bridge from one way of understanding over into a completely new direction, and you're thinking by the way. Did you catch the fanatic `ambiguities new direction did I. say new direction or New Direction. I can't help it. was supposed to sound like new direction. It's ambiguous, isn't it? The can't help it. This is become the way I think in the way in which I communicate. Howard yeah I I'm sure that fills you with are not going to say happiness now I'm not gonNA. Say Well. My NFL PENIS is legendary. I am not A. I have a great panel penis about my communication. For Communicating No I can't. Yeah Well I. Don a number of interrupts me as we've been going Oh. Yeah, really. My brain's been scrambled. More Morton. Whatever I can't even think. You See, I'd been reduce. Your mind your brain works faster than you think as Richard says that that's very kind of you, but not. Read it I gotta get read it. We're credits do if it were not for the esteemed Mr Bandler DR bound I would not be here in if it were not for Milton Erickson, he wouldn't be here and if it weren't for Xinjiang Young Limitation Teacher I would not be the human being today and help never made me wiser or more loving kind, and it's not designed to do that. Meditation did like I. Know All the moving into the areas of sales. I'd influence mapping all that across. I'm curious as you're kind of leaving. leaving the seducing speed seduction, game. But, there were a lot of people when you guys on the block pickup all tests and is gaining traction. What was your take on that? They're they're? They're really good marketers who who are naturally good with women I've seen some of them. They're incredibly good marketers, and they're very good looking guys young, very good looking. They have a lot of women around them. A lot of them just do bottle service game where they spend a lot of money on getting bottle servicing clubs, they have a huge social network and they're out there. Trying to tell a Schmo who's forty years old and just got divorced out of twenty years of marriage. Yes, you can do my social proof game. Yeah, right buddy and I think they're mostly conman, or they're doing very very very very, can't generation? Mockeries of travesty of shame of a fraud of a scam. What I've been doing it for thirty years now. I don't think much. Much lower of attraction. It's it's a huge industry. I accidentally created. I never set out to do that. Now know that people can say but Howard people can say. They created an entire subculture from their work. Yeah. Impressive. It's pretty impressive incredible to the smoking hot nineteen year old who I'm dating I'm sixty one. I set you know how many no matter what happens to me when they click out my lights whether I'm Richard Poor. In bad health whatever no one will take away from me the fact that I've changed tens of thousands of lives saved lives. I have so many guys who've said to me. I was ready to kill myself before I came to your seminar. I had the gun on the nightstand. One of them said he was ready to drink bleach. Another one told me he walked into the ocean on. New Year's Eve all the way up to his neck, something to open. Don't do it. Look on the Internet I. Get emails from guys with. Excuse me. Pictures of their children attached so. No one can ever talk to take that away from me. No. and. That's profoundly rewarding. I haven't been the best businessman, but there you go. I'm improving that at my advance stage. The only things looking back with hindsight old age wisden experience that you done differently. I kind of regret that I needed to make other people wrong. I, I certainly wouldn't do business with people who want me to do. This I would have been a multimillionaire had I these companies who are doing very well had I taken them up on their offer to endorse them. I told him go eat of pilot burning edna but. Been Willing to throw him ethics. I would have made a lot of money. I I don't regret doing that, but that doesn't mean I had to attack them personally. On the Internet I would have avoided attacking the personally I would just politely said no thanks, thanks, but no thanks. So, that's certainly that certainly the case I would have done that differently and I would have been a lot more cautious about who I let into my inner circle I wouldn't have suspected these people. Were there not just learn from me but to rip me off. unsaid from bitterness. That's just neutrally accurately true, so people often ask sodium podcast. I, asked rapid fire round. The what advice would you give to your younger self but I often like to switch it round. The often think well. What would your younger self say to you now? What advice would a younger self? Say to you, it might. Wouldn't give me advice would say please fucking help me? I WanNa Bang Mary Jo Big Tits, and and she canceled on me for the third time. I just want to say a personal message to those of you who are offended I challenge you to look at us as an opportunity to expand your ability. To tolerate communication that I seems blasphemous. I love the idea of embracing personal blasphemy. It's the very ideas that offend you most that hold the potential for opening your is. The best because the ones that are most challenging your current model if your cur model is working for you great, but probably is. I loved. I just. Frame on, feel grateful that I'm offending you. Yeah? It's pretty unreal reframe, but you know it's true. I had. To me stopped me halfway through a session. Once when you know, this is just nonsense, and I said well of course is nonsense. Of course like you've tried up until now all the stuff that made sense to you and that didn't get you anywhere, so boy the by default. The stuff that's nonsense is more likely to work I like to say, never underestimate the power of the ridiculous and the absurd to change limitations that are equally when you look at them from an outsider's perspective, absurd ridiculous. Once you get your client to laugh. At their challenges their problems. You're well on your way to changing things. The big shift happens when your client is no longer looking through their patterns in their beliefs, but they're looking at them, and if they're looking at them and laughing at them, then you know you broken them. Up So I like to think in change in terms of balancing three types of consciousness and again this is just my model. There's we'll consciousness. We are totally determined to get your outcome. This kind of thing that Tony Robbins of the rest of them really emphasize just persist. Persist persist your three feet from gold, and that can be useful. There's creative conscious where you tap into your unconscious resources. Some people would say your higher self using meditation ritual, Magic self-hypnosis, great stuff, and then there's witnessed consciousness. We're able to look at your patterns with courage and clarity and precision, and a lot of people get into trouble because. Because there are those are balance. There's some context where you really need to use your witness consciousness. There's some where you need to use your will. There's someone you need to be creative and learning to get the balance between those three things is an advanced study, and that's something I teach in my accelerated personal change of mentorship program, but no one else. I think in the world sees that distinction knows how to teach it. Does that make sense it makes total sense. Have you ever heard of that before? Anyone talk about it in those terms not in those terms nine. No. Study of ritual magic because I did that for short, while for maybe two and a half years. That's magic with the K. and extracted. What I thought was useful through throughway everything that was nonsense. This is also another thing. If you want to get good at any, appear any kind of change work experiment with tossing out more and more stop and see if you can get the same outcome. You WanNa talk about rapid personal change work well have the guts to experiment by progressively removing more more stuff out of your algorithm and your technique to see if you can still get to change if you can't then add it back in. Did you think that the traditional? Traditional but I think NLP training an NLP has a huge merit, and there's lots of stuff, but. Some of the essence has been lost at the idea of muddling success and having an attitude of exploration and seeing workers. Now it's to hearing taught by rote. Here's there's two challenges the first challenges as you said the trainers don't get the basic concepts behind LP as Bandler said over, and over and over and NLP is a modeling technology out of which techniques are distilled. It leaves a trial techniques. It's SORTA like mistaking the exhaust of the car from the engine. The engine produce the exhaust is exhausted. Is the engine so many have the back afterwards death. Thing is what I call the seminar phenomenon. People who come to seminars are self selecting. They're raising their hands and saying yes, yes. I wanted to work on me because they're spending all that money. They're doing all that travel there devoting all that time, so of course it works in the seminar room the analogy I would use his martial arts. Re people do a lot of forms? They practice this this, but then they. They get into a fight in the real world was a street fighter. Who Kicks? There S so in a way you can think of what I teach streetfight. NLP because when you're in a situation where you're dealing with the most fucked up people in the world, and you don't have time for theory, or what only works in the seminar room. You need to get to it. You need to gouge is in the nuts. This crush people's throats to use a bad metaphor. Do Anything and everything you can. And Again When you go to persuade or influence someone in the real world. They're not self selecting. They're not. They're saying Oh. Yes. I wanted to work on me. So a lot of NLP stuff that's on in the seminar room may not work in the real world. If you're doing a a sale and someone's quote, resistant closed quotes I think it's never that and you say well. Let's look at the different parts of you. Is there party that's willing to communicate on the unconscious level all the ways in which you would be willing to move forward with a sale. They'd walk away. Punch on the nuts. Maybe away they go. So! That's just or you could. You could collapse an anchor and think time when you were not resistant when you were really willing to move forward, and now I want you to put that in one hand, and then put gender stand. It just doesn't apply yeah. You'd say to them do. Is the image of me not of you. Resisting is black and white orange color. Exactly. Exactly movie still. But what I love, that is just a real life, and that's one of the things that I was so excited soldier about today because what you have, is this real world experience of actually applying stuff than being what I would call an armchair traina literally with thousands of people because I'm doing it thirty two years. That's not a marketing ploy that's for Real, and not just with thousands of people with thousands of the most stuck people you could ever imagine. Imagine a thirty year old man who's never had a Dayton. His lifers never had. Intimate relations with a woman and you're coming along taking all those depression, and all those limiting beliefs on all that lack of skill, and you're wiping out in a matter of thirty minutes, or sometimes it takes a couple of not everyone can do things in thirty minutes. As Jesus, said some Damon's only come out through fasting, and prior so many times it. It can't take multiple sessions. But that is well the whole thing thing. I've been called the Messiah of Mack Daddies. Or the sex of the NERDS. So speaking to someone like yourself, and for people who are listening and maybe starting out in the world of change work I think there's a tendency. Maybe it's marketing hype, but for people at the top of the game who are experienced to sometimes lead people to believe the like. You're a crap chained quicker unless you've helped every single person in ten minutes or less, and I think that's a Milton. Milton Erickson we'll look. Let's go back to the granddaddy. Milton Erickson what people ignore see often took great pains to overtime over multiple multiple sessions to educate the unconscious mind on how to learn to do all this stuff that your unconscious knows. Everything already needs. That's already knows why. The fuck you coming to me and paying the money. Obviously, it doesn't know and Ericsson often rework at people for months. He wouldn't use traditional techniques, but some of the most black people now we can get at it down too much shorter periods time, but still I've had clients who have had to work with for ninety days who traumatized and really really stuck. They came from religious backgrounds that attach la shame around sex, or they were so lacking in skill. This interesting question I had this discussion with my sister. WHO's a clinical psychologist? She has a PhD in clinical psychology. I sit Maryanne. What's the sanction between someone who so lax personal skill? That? They're constantly lonely and someone WHO's clinically depressed. Can you get to the point where a lack of social skills can constitute a condition that something you can put in the diagnostic and service manual as depression and things, -iety. Should you know that's a really really good question? She said I. Think they're co Morbid. One can cause the other, and the other can cause. And they can contribute one to the other. Definitely and you can't medicate a lack of social skills Kanye. Nowadays we also live in a society that is deeply isolated in humans genetically need to have social contact. The whole corona virus is make it even worse because we're essentially on consuls Hussein. The other person's lepers stay away. Yeah. What do you think the impact is going to be in twenty time? We're going to have a world full of CD Djerma folks. I have no idea and here's the thing. No one has any idea and anyone who tells you. They have ideas either delusional or line or is just. Doing what I call health theater, a lot of what I. Don't WanNa. Get distracted by this so I think they're alive. Sincere people but I don't think anyone really knows what the fuck is going on. I had really fix it. It's what they call health theater many years ago when I was doing seduction seminar in Chicago. I noticed someone during a break and it seems to me that they were carrying a firearm just he was strapped with a hidden shoulder holster. Call them over said can I talk to you Mike, are you carrying a weapon, he said, yeah, as a matter of fact I'm required from my job to always carry a weapon at all times, and he showed me his credential. He said he was chief of Investigations for the United States Department of Justice Criminal Division. And I said. Wow this is really interesting. Now. Subsequently, they had nine one one, and I called him the next day I said. Who did this you, so they'll some of them. Laudner said go get the fucker. And when they began to change things in the United States, and they had the TSA, the Transportation Security Administration I talked about that I, said, how real is as? As it's not real at all. It's what we call security theater. They really don't know how to screen people. We've tested multiple times and penetrated that security with everything from fake hand grenades the knives, the plastic guns you name it. It's security theater because the institute actual security. We have to do it the way the Israelis do where everyone a personal interview. And so I think what you're seeing. A lot of what you're seeing here. Is Health Healthier? Because the people. Really don't know what the hell to do. Now I could be wrong. I don't WanNa get into politics in this discussion I'm politically drill. which goes back to that wonderful state that? People. Is Unsexy for people to go into in terms of change, but it's quite useful, which is neutral, very useful, very. Every state is context dependent. It depends on the social context the emotional context. The hierarchy context in other words someone higher than you up on the. On the power structure. If you're dealing with someone, who's the boss and his way up on the power structure? You have to have a different state than if you're dealing with someone who's equal or a subordinate. So. There's that and people don't look at that. They don't understand states to be useful. Have to take into consideration the context. In which you're in. Is there anything that you'd like to say talk about? Bring up in relation to change that I haven't asked directly, but you think is worth sharing. Yeah I would I would and I'd like to talk about the value of having some kind of an I gag on the word spiritual, but some kind of process that deals with other than achieving and getting stuff in the world, something involves an honest, compassionate, courageous and clear. Look at your own patterns, and you can't achieve that with NLP and you can't. Can't achieve that with no says she can only do it. I think some kind of meditative practice, so the practices that have to be quite honest I sort of lost my practice about a year ago and have not done it anyway. Consistently I think because I made such progress. I stopped seeing the need for and I intend to go back to it. Nonetheless I think developing that witness consciousness where over time you get profound insights into the profound direct experience that the south is not eight thing, the Buddhist concept I. Forget what they call it. Maybe it's a Nata. It's a Nada. That snow. No self at thing that the self is not a thing in there, but it's a set of neurological responses that expand and contract. That's a profound insight. Proud the experience of each in permanence that everything is impermanent, and that the distinction between self and world can dissolve. These are very very nourishing and very very profound insights. And the gradual release of patterns, the gradual release of patterns by I seen them with clarity and then loving them Shinzan young. My teacher said you don't destroy the small self by eight. You have to love it to death. These profound practices profound practices look someone comes to me. and has a phobia. I can change that quickly. And the more profound changes, helping them create that in the state of consciousness, where they're no longer looking through their patterns. They're looking at. That's the real profound change, and then teach you how to balance witness, consciousness, creative consciousness and will consciousness. And even with well consciousness. How do you create that will to proceed forward, but equally equally stay open feedback, so you see the you know how to correct and change courts very rapidly when you need to. And that you're not wishing for things getting your way, I had A. Former student of mine who really wanted to be a successful seduction teacher? And when he started to get what he wanted, had a huge crowd around him. It just fed his incipient nurses, and he wound up destroying himself getting involved with drugs, and it's very true. Be careful what you wish for. Because you may get, it will be careful. You deeply desire Aaron beat. Fixated on. Be. Careful about what you fix it and grasp on because that's the most likely to bring. Forward. What really doesn't serve you? Now you've mentioned Shinn's in young. And this knots again. This is not sexy. But. The the people that are thinking okay I mean like I haven't really looked at this meditation stuff before. Where should they go shins and young to go to go to to look at for this? Or other people Jack Cornfield I believe is another Jack Canfield is another one. Shinzan S. H., I. N. Zeh Z., e.. N., you guys say, said young you, Angie. He has a series called. The sci-fi light meant get the audio series really quite good. Turn your again onto it. He's a big Fan. Yeah, he is an Yagan Tony onto it, and it's so cool because this is coming full circle. Can you believe it? It's I can't believe everything and believed nothing. Nothing is true and everything is permitted. Alister, Crowley said that. Or was it croly. Ross this has been absolutely amazing Paul. You see everyone listen. He tells me one simple instruction. Wants to get once again. If you're interested in getting personal mentorship or having some change work with me, I am the most expensive coach. You'll ever be glad you hired. This is well into the five figures at the very least. What you can do is email me with the subject. Mentor just say mentor and Email is Paul Speaker Paul. Ross Dot Com. We can have a brief chat about. How you, WanNa take advantage of my thirty two years of working with thousands of the most screwed up. Fuck that people you can imagine. We will definitely linked underneath the at the site and and it's been passed. My Book Amazon Subtle Words itself. We will, and I will put the link below this episode as well. So is phenomenal, but thank you. It's really been a pleasure and as we're signing off and. I just wanted to suggest it's only I. can at your listeners. Listen to this broadcast multiple times because so rich and so layered with suggestive language and other demonstrations of hypnotic language in that I'm sure you didn't catch the first time consciously. Just I couldn't say it better myself. I! Hope you enjoyed this episode. And if you did why not share it with anyone you think might be interested and even head over to I tunes to give us a glowing review. You'll find more about what's coming up on our facebook page facebook dot com forward slash rapid change matters hyphen podcast, and of course you'll find all the links relate to this episode plus those coming live events that will help you hone those change work skills.

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