31 Burst results for "Scher"
How to Get Work Done Podcast
"Let's say that you are working from home now where you used to work outside the home. Let's do some math here okay. You're only new free time meaning time that you used to spend on something else that does not exist anymore as something that you have to spend time on. I don't mean anymore. I mean temporarily what I mean. Is Your Commute time k a portion or all of your getting ready time okay. That's basically it because those are the only things that you are just flat out not doing anymore. Now they're it's different for everybody situation. I know but just in general staying home versus going to work. Those are the Times that you have. You may say oh well by lunch break while now you may be home and lunch break is not leaving your desk and going out with your friends and getting something to eat or going into the break room and reading a book or whatever. It is that you would do during that time. See this is when I say stuff like that I think okay. How long has it been since I've been in that situation? And what if that's not what people do? But that's what I used to do. Pay was either go out to eat or go to the break room. Talk to people whatever Nail lunchtime. That's not free time especially if you have kids at home because you're feeding them. Which is a strangely unstop. Ing and strangely sometimes six Stressful thing you're even if they're old enough. I'm my kids. They're on their own breakfast and lunch and yet I still get questions all the time and just those questions sometimes can be mentally taxing and irritating and all that but anyway but that right there is something that you have to consider you know you have to realize that the only actual time. I'm getting back into my day. Is the commute and the getting ready time? Now let's talk about the getting ready. Okay I was going to put this later on there. Some of the things that you just need to let go of but again. I love are mean culture that we live in. I have an eighteen year old and a sixteen year old and thirteen year old. My eighteen year old loves memes. Like he is ready with a maim at any time. He's got a folder on his iphone. He is ready with a funny relevant name all the time and they crack me up. I mean I thoroughly thoroughly enjoy a good mean those of you who might not know what it is. I can't imagine that but I'm just going to educate your real quick and that is basically taking a picture of something and sometimes they're the same picture used in all these different ways with expressions on people's faces or situations or whatever and then a funny little quip that relates to whatever's going on in the world right now or whatever situation that you're in so I love a good meeting but part of the issue with that mean culture. Is You know. Sometimes people like to make these little statements. I'M GONNA solve everybody's problem with my one super amazing statement. You'll know how I feel about that already. Okay so I won't go into that but I don't like it just in case you When people like to solve everybody's problems in a little phrase but you know one of the things I've seen people say is you need to be getting dressed. Don't stay in your pajamas. Y'All here's the thing. Do whatever you need to do to get stuff done in your house. Do whatever needs to happen if you are getting stuff done in your pajamas. Awesome if you are finding that you're just not productive because being in your pajamas means drinking coffee and browsing the Internet. Then put on some clothes and see if that helps. But here's the problem. I mean it's it's fine idea. It's a great idea. But here's the problem when you say are when people say you're never gonNA work well in your pajamas and you just flat out. Don't WanNa get out of your pajamas. Then people like us tend to then think okay. Then what do I do? And we get paralyzed and we don't do anything. Okay try to do the work in your pajamas. Enjoy the fact that I'm in my pajamas right now you guys I mean. Enjoy the fact that you can wear your pajamas. But then if that isn't working put on some a little bit closer to real close athlete Scher or whatever it is and then if that doesn't work okay. Fine put on a little bit nicer clothes. Whatever do what you need to do to actually make it happen. Try Different things out to make it happen. Make sense
Pins Are Your Best Friend
"We start looking at mercury and it'd be debating what Suffo- work well with your particular project. Sure everybody shirts and caps. That's pretty much given you know. Throw your logo or some basic really cool design on key Scher Cap. And you're good to go. Tend to move on net into the settle at ten. This is actually pretty cool. Kim's from your perspective a relatively cheap they visually identifiable fans really easily. And the bottom line is if you can't fanzel chance actually have fun with humor. You know it doesn't matter where it is going to come out pretty cool. Things were on a camping. Drug t-shirt Messenger bag you know he just you you a lot of stuff with PIMM was really cool. Is there also cheating relatively design? You can do it in Boston. Actually I'm a little bit of fun with it. Actually set these things up pretty well. He merely mostly pinging have access to are going to be around or some other basic shape square. That's fine work. We'll listen to those limits. Action should be that a really cool tin like you said one of the cool things Ci He come off any print on demand site. No problem with these things with recently transferred up for conventional training through something neat near kick-started package. We just want to say. Hey thanks a pin is going to do a water really cool things for you like sit. Establish who your fans are who they. Are you a little bit extra shooting near for your fans? Have whenever the cursor your stuff there are definitely gonNA remember you. I mean nothing else how you explain what that means. He's definitely GonNa make some interesting conversation. Of course you need a little bit more. You actually get a little bit more. Well whatever shape you want to be hate. That's just catching some actual really cruel fan going in saying hey enjoy you know. Violent is when we look at Merck. You're going to be trying to get away from usual caps and tee shirt. That's fine gopher. Pin they're fun. They're cheap energy design and definitely severe fans appreciate.
George Sprouse on Managing Biosolids in Uncertain Times
"Episode tackling the issue of Bio solids. It's a it's a very hot issue for the water sector right now. There's a lot of angles and sides to this topic to explore. So I'm very happy to have with me George Spouse. He is manager of Process Engineering and Research and development at the Metropolitan Council of the twin cities he is also the CO chair of West residuals and bio solids conference which is coming up March thirty first to April third in Minneapolis. George thanks for coming on the PODCAST. Thanks very much for having me absolutely So I I started out talking about. Why did by ourselves is a hot issue? Y in your mind are bio solids such an important resource for water utilities and and their communities while the bio solids really represent a kind of a key collection point or a point of concentration for the energy and nutrients moving through a community. So if you think about wastewater or just households that's kind of dispeat- dispersed throughout in a community or a collection system area and really a come together and concentrate and concentrate through through our processes until the point where. I all solids and you know. There's no point in in in that whole flow of energy nutrients where things are quite as concentrated as they are in the Bio solids. So at that point it's really easier and probably most efficient to extract every claim the energy and the nutrients that basically is cycling through a community. And so it's that extraction that allows us to kind of captured things refine them and then return them to the community and this is kind of a key key. Idea for being sustainable. You know that whole circular world rather than ask through world basically and I think bio solids are really kind of nexus point that it it allows at all to happen. Yeah and I think a challenge or maybe some marching orders for a lot of utilities or for our sector is to to do more education around that idea of the these circular nature of Bio solids the way that they are a resource that you just articulated that so well. I think we can definitely do more to try to articulate that to our to the customers out there. So could you talk As far as the Metropolitan Council and they're in the twin cities how you all use your bio solids So I work for the Met Council in our division is environmental services that we provide the way Swat. We provide the wastewater treatment and solids processing for metropolitan area of the twin cities. And we have. We have nine plants. But we've really consolidated are solids processing to wear those plants in by far far away what we do with most of our bio solids is is actually burned them in. Recover the energy directly into Steve. Zoe We have State of the art incineration and air pollution control systems. The heat off of that incineration goes directly into Steam System. That we That we used for plant purposes. He buildings in these called. Minnesota winters but also power the things in in the lab Salata steam and we have two generators so we produce Electricity and offset our electricity use by quite a bit. That's by far and away what we do with most of our bio solids but we do at two of our plants also do the the production of an agricultural material and cultural and biding used by farmers and so we. We have were involved in that as well. I think. One of the great things about this year's Residual I also conference. Is that we. We have to tourists and so one tower will be visiting our facility. The the Energy Recovery Facility here at Metro plant which is which is where we have state of the art Air Kush Two generators producing energy. But we also have associated with the conference second tour where city of Saint Cloud which is just little outside. The on. The twin cities will be offering a tour where they both highlight their land application processes. So they'll cover kind at that side of it and they're not only involved in this land application of Iowa Salads but they're also kind of cutting edge or leading way in nutrient recovery from those energy management recovery. So I think we've got you know that's how in the region that kind of covers both ways or at least two of the main ways I'll are us and so we've Adam both covered at sears a residual I'll salads tour offerings That's interesting to hear that you do that. Much energy generation with your bio solids. That's that's terrific It's it's certainly feeds into that. Circular circular notion. The theme this year for the conference is creative approaches to managing bio solids in an uncertain future. What led you all to to go with that theme really when the Co Chair Anna Monson and I were working on this or thinking about it we. We've we kind of said two things that we really wanted to hit was to help. Attendees it information would help them. Address uncertainty and and understand what the future holds for bio solids programs and then we really wanted to emphasize case studies that share success stories stories. Are you know more engaging in also more enlightening than some some more technical or dry talks in there also from the people who've lived at basically so so those were kind of the two things that I think really drove us to that idea for the team at the Conference Scher Makes a lot of sense when when this phrase uncertain future I have some ideas about what's what's meant there but I'm curious about When when you say uncertain future as it relates to bio solids. What do you mean by that by a vast majority at this point are by far and away emerging contaminants? Are you know how we will be dealing with those in? The future is certainly one of the biggest uncertainties So I think that that's kind of a key one but I think there's also a more there's also more subtle things related to uncertainty about how we will generate the resources or have the resources to actually address emerging contaminant somewhat. They cause as well as just the other unforeseen the unknown unknowns in so I by far enough away emerging contaminant sources at least in my mind in the world. I'm living in right now. The biggest unknown but this idea of like also resources and how to at will be able to actually accomplish things. It's amazing yeah absolutely. And so as we head toward the uncertain future as we grapple with emerging contaminants and resource issues. Why do you think creative approaches will be needed kind of that other part of your theme empowered? Because they're all new and so there's no there's no set solution right now so we're going to have to be creative solutions. I think that's that's kind of a big part of it. I think that I've also heard people mention a lot in. Who Deal or plan or or are involved with bio solids projects that you know nope plant or no bio solids area or no community is are not the same so each each each time. You're dealing with something. You have to be creative buffets. No situation is the same so So it's both the things are new and then the conditions of each situation are unique in. Both of those things require creative thinking. There's no. There's NO COOKIE CUTTER. There's no design guideline that. You just go away the solution in throw it on a sheet basically.
#162: What Sherrys Not Buying For An Entire Year
"Okay. So it's almost the middle of February and I've been doing this thing this whole year. My plan is to do it for all of twenty twenty this whole year very impressive. It's been what seven weeks month and a half already but I think it's kind of Nice to report about it after a month and a half because I've already I've gotten used to it and it's totally sustainable for me but when I told my best friend about this resolution there was like a long silence and then she said I'm drinking water and I'm thinking about it like I could tell that she thought this was a crazy thing. She knows me at this point. She knows I'm going to do it. I don't know when you told me I didn't think it was crazy but I feel like you should just say what it is are. You should quit the suspense. I'm not going to buy closer shoes for a year. So no new clothes. No new shoes no secondhand closer shoes either like not just new. No purchases for my body and that means like no accessories like purses or jewelry or belts to okay so like anything that might be stored in a closet exactly and my only two disclaimers are obviously if something I need wears out like if something insane happens to like the sneakers I wear throughout the winter and I need more sneakers throughout the winter. I can replace them but I'm not gonNA say like a different color. I would have more variety in my wardrobe if I added that new option. Like they're not gonNA be any options. My other address to this is that I do have to store credits. They're like maybe fifty dollars to Nordstrom and like thirty dollars to old navy. That's what I'm GONNA use if there's an emergency so I feel like even in an emergency I break my one bears shoes. I wear all the time and I need them. I think my bank account is not going to shift this entire year. I don't want to jinx. Might well at least on the clothing budget. I'm sure exactly count is going to shift for other reasons right right right right right but I mean this. This resolution is not just then. I'm going to be like. Oh Darn my favorite shirt representing another favourite Scher. It really is like only staples that I really need to survive my favorite shirt ripped. I just wear my second favorite so I don't think people are going to be that surprised by the challenge because you are already sort of known. I guess is having a very compact or minimal wardrobe but I still think it will be a challenge for you as much as the month and a half so far have not been I think as we get through the year especially as the seasons change like you might realize you're shorter on summer clothes than you thought you were or when it starts to get cold again you feel like the Itch to get something warm. Like a sweater or something. I think there will be moments. Where you have to more consciously fight the urge to buy something because I think a lot of us shop for things you know. Even if our wardrobe feels complete just out of the habit or activity of it or just because you know there is that sort of I guess endorphin when you see something that looks nice or fits you well and you put it in your shopping cart. Yeah you're like I deserve this. No I think you're right that it probably won't shock anyone because I'm a really minimal wardrobe kind of Gal but I also think since we've done things for a month like we did like no spend month I do think twelve in a row is like a bigger fee but I am looking forward to it because what I've realized is that when I make a rule for something and actually makes it much easier for me if I were to say I want to just shop less. I don't know that my behavior would change at all. Like I can't have like fifteen French fries and stop. I will eat a thousand French fries or I have to say. I'm not gonNA eat any French fries this moment. That thing on the menu where you can order a thousand French fries do it every time. But that's what I mean like. Moderation is not easy for me grid. Did a whole thing about this. You guys should listen to it. We'll put a link in the show notes. But it's basically like some people are moderators and they can have like five chips. I don't know how you do it. I'm eat the whole bag. And maybe I should explain where this started so this idea started when we did our closet and it was perfect timing because it was literally like Christmas Day when we were loading our closet back with clothes and I noticed I had a few things still tags on them and also noticed. I had a few things that I've been meaning to alter or change in some way. Like an example as I have this really cute tanktop it's leopard-print of Gore's and those straps are too long and so it's GonNa take two seconds to so it but I felt this Pang of guilt that was like why would I ever even look at a store for something else when I already have things that have the tag on or that. I'm waiting to alter to where I should just do that before. I get something new and so that's where it was born. I felt like my closet is full of things and full of options both options that I wear news and also options waiting in the wings. Why should you add or accumulate? More when you're not using the things you already have exactly so I think that made it really like easier. My mind to see as I was loading my new drawers and pull outs and hanging bars and I think maybe a tip for someone at home who wants to embark on a longer term project. Like this like it's not just for a few weeks it's like something you. WanNa keep up for a long time. I definitely think the first tip could be going through what you have because I think even I- minimalist when I was doing it I was like. Oh Yeah I forgot about this. I wanted to shorten the straps. Like it reminded me of all these sort of outstanding dues and then I immediately jumped to. I should do that before I do anything else. Okay while you were talking. I was totally listening by the way. But I was also googling. 'cause that thing you said about Gretchen Rubin right the moderator. I can't remember the opposite. I look it up on something or it's an abstainer there it is. So that's what you're doing you're abstaining completely because it's easier for you to set a rule when it's black or white like you can have it or you cannot there's not that gray area that a moderator can be comfortable with well. I also think there's a gray area between moderator and abstainer in this experiment because I do believe that you could say something like each season. I'm only allowed to buy three items. And so it's not none for a year but it's also not this like amorphous goal of like. I'm just GonNa shop less like maybe defining one new item of clothing per season or some sort of boundary. That feels comfortable to you will help you but what? I've discovered is I immediately. Love this rule already because when someone is like saying this cute dress and. I'm like have enough dresses. It immediately turns it off in my mind. It's like tiny Hester once. Said if you know you don't eat the Burger and someone says. Do you want a burger? It's a really easy no because I don't eat the Burger and so to me. This is just a very easy no when I'm in old Navy I'm not GonNa look for myself because I'm sure I can find something that's cute and by it but it just takes it off the table and a very enlightening way. Like I feel lighter. It doesn't feel like a heavy burden. It feels like something has been lifted. Well I guess we'll keep people posted throughout the how you do. Yeah well I'm interested to know of something breaks and a half to replace it what it will be because it will probably sound insane. Someone else like I'll be guys my one black tank top. Something happens and everyone will probably be like you had one black tank. Somehow a pack of squirrels got inside my drawer. An olive underwear has gone.
Project Car of the Week: 1968 Plymouth Sport Satellite
"Up. I we have a missed. Green Nineteen Sixty Eight Plymouth. Sports satellite for forty four. Hundred hundred dollars in Lenexa Kansas. That is definitely seen better days but it is still very much savable. So let's let's get into the at nineteen sixty eight plymouth. Satellite Light dominator shows seventy thousand miles title. Status is clean and it has an automatic transmission project car. Complete original runs brain good needs left quarter quarter in front floor patches no trades. Please don't recommend driving due to bad gas and brakes being old. Okay so what we have is a three eighteen powered satellite that runs but doesn't doesn't Dr fuel system and brakes need to be gone through and there's quite a bit of metal work to be done looking at the photos you can see. The car needs a lot of work. So you tune it up get safely running and driving and you have a car that runs and drives but still needs a lot of metalwork. The picture looking inside the trunk has a rust hole. Big enough to stick a leg through. So that's a problem problem The car does look good. Pretty complete. you're going to need a battery and all the basic tuneup parts. Because you're GONNA WANNA go through this thing mechanically before you you you know. Take it out on the road. It's a column shifted automatic with a Split Bench seat and overall. I would say that this car is absolutely favorable and a low price of forty forty four hundred. This car would be an excellent choice for someone who wants to be body moped without completely breaking the bank. Perfect for the hobbyist. Do It yourself enthusiasts who wants to learn and do a lot of the work themselves. These projects are great. And if you have the skills gills are you WANNA learn the skills. These types of cars are perfect for that I say this because being sports satellite although a higher trim level than the road runner we are putting it up against today in the grand scheme of things and collectability it does fall under a roadrunner. So that's both a good and a bad thing. Good because because the entry level into a satellite versus a road runner is generally cheaper depending on condition of course and it's bad because if you invest too much it may take a very long time to ever see a good return on investment if you ever decide to sell the car but if you're looking just for you know a car to have fun with and and you're not considering the investment aspect by all means you can start here for under five grand and have yourself a great project so I would say that this sport satellite is a great by. Why does it need a lot of work? Scher but it's a great entry level project
Great Bonus Ideas For Your Offer
"All love a good bones a little special gift for taking action so when we're on the other end as a business giving out these bonuses we WANNA make sure we're giving out the right bonus that will will incentivize them to buy but also to see value in the bonus itself so on a first start with some bad ideas for bonuses. These are ideas that actually she tried myself and found out doesn't really work more of the same. This is a mistake. If you're selling an informational product a course for example and then you say hey I'm GonNa give you a bonus of a second course so they're buying a chorus but the bonus is also another course. This in theory sounds like a good idea. They're getting more content content and maybe even that second bonus course is a valuable and you sell a separately but from a buyer's point of view they're just getting more of the the same and we found that this bonus really doesn't convert well and it isn't really compel people to buy the best. Bonuses are the ones that help them implement the main product so for example we have a course on how to start with the watercolor painting. A bonus of a painting brush is a great bonus because they can use that brush as going through the course they can actually use it to do the exercises to implement what they bought. It's also good to change it up where you have have a digital product of course and then they get something physical in the mail there's there's something intrinsically valuable about something that you can hold so so even if your bonus is not going to help them implement the product properly or a better or easily even a physical thing like a company t shirt or cap or stickers has perceived value. We've actually given out for a free. Webinar entity Scher as a bonus and this converts. It's a really well because people just love something physical that can wear hold. Everybody loves getting a gift in the mail. But a little tip about swag and giving Out Swag as a bonus make sure it's high quality you WanNa make sure as the company they actually wear that T. shirt they actually sport that hat and if it's cheap deepen something that they wouldn't feel proud to wear then it's the feeding the purpose you want them to be able to wear proudly and advertise for you basically share your message with others. I've I've been given a lot of free t shirts in my time going to conferences getting swag as part of a bonus things like that and I would say about thirty percent of the T. He shirts that I got. I've worn out. I've worn to the gym. I've worn to hang out with my friends at the pub. Whatever it is right and the reason why the thirty eighty percent Mehta is because the quality was good and I was proud of the design the other ones I may have worn Ozama or as I was gardening or maybe even just tossed it in you know the charity already been so make sure? It's quality so again differentiate between digital and physical these are really good ways to differentiate your your bonuses so again if your product is physical like somebody's buying something from Your e commerce store for example. Say they're buying a Mug a designer mug that that you sell so a great bonus would be something saw something digital like a recipe book and e Book of Great Coffee and hot chocolates and Chai Lot as you can create and use your Mug for for bonuses also have to have some. Roi Okay meaning that you gotTa make sure that you're not spending too much on the bonus so it's not costing your company too much much to deliver the sale. You also have to have a system to deliver the bonus now if your bonus is electronic or it's a course or it's an e book. This is a lot easier to UFA PHIL can even automate it with an email sequence Descent to buyers that buy at a certain time or on a certain webinar things like that so if electric it's super easy but Michigan have a procedure in place to deliver these bonuses and let your actual buyers no. Hey when they're going to get their bonus when you announce this bonus offer now if it's the physical product a have to have some sort of procedure one of procedures that we do. is we have an actual google form that we create with the asking for name and email email address and phone number and mailing address and we send him that form after they buy and we can automate that email and say hey we need you to fill out this form so we can fulfil bill. Your bonus offer bonus order and in the form you can clarify. Hey this is may take a week or two to get to you just to give yourself time for processing and it's good to under promise and then overdeliver. So how do you actually fulfil the stuff. What if you're giving away a t shirt or a mug or a hat? How do you actually she Get this done and created insent out. There's a lot of options out there. This custom ink. They're sprint full. The one that we have found that works well for for this purpose for bonuses is T- spring T- spring allows you as a company to create customized t shirts and Swag and hats. It's and things like that and ship them out to your audience ship out to whoever is requesting it. So you have all these addresses out through the Google form and you can just plug those Info- information in of course in the form. We also asked for like size for T. shirt things like that and it sends it directly to them. It's actually pretty cost cost effective especially if you're shipping out of the US or you're shipping to the US You can get t shirts sent out for twelve fifteen dollars and if your offer is a has a value of five hundred dollars a year. That's a pretty good return. On investment bonuses are great way also especially with their physical cool to allow the sale the stick people feel obligated to accompany and feel a more value with their purchase when they have something physical in their hand. So make sure you get that bonus to them especially during that window of your trial or your money back guarantee now ideally you have somebody on staff an EA of virtual assistant that can help view fulfill these orders. Take information from Google forms and plug them into spring. This will save you a whole bunch of time. Another great bonus idea is tickets to a live live event. If you have a larger ticket item this is a great bonus. We'll see for example. Your product is two thousand dollars and above including a bonus of like two tickets. Your next live event or meet up. It doesn't have to be this huge. You know five day event could be a one day event one day meet up a one day workshop and you can literally just do it in your local town and And people will be happy to fight over there if they get free tickets again. People love access to you. Many people are buying because of you. You've built that. Trust that that report so two tickets to a live event tastic even if they can't use it or they can't make it because of the dates you can even tell them they can gift it to somebody which is a fantastic gift. I do want to mention another bonus idea that is a bad idea. Try your best to steer clear from making any or bonuses causing Utah Utah Time like booking time on your calendar a call coaching the only exception to this. Is Maybe a group coaching call where you are on there and everybody everybody who got the bonuses on that call. This is going to leverage your time. It's just you know maybe thirty minutes and it's worth
Dodgers post game analysis
"Sort it's just normal baseball that's normal baseball things running but here in these two cases with the managers it seems like they purposefully chose to go with their gut they chose to make these moves that were really unconventional that you would never do the regular season and that there was no structural benefit or structural reason about the postseason that you would do it and yet they did they a- We actually saw both of these managers change their behavior because of the situation and so the notion of shocking coming up the clutch for players which I don't have a hard time with seems like those may be loaded words and maybe not the right words the most accurate or specific words but the the the sort of idea behind them seems to be what caused those moves that managers that managers than elves actually do get affected by the situation and make moves for no other reason than the stakes are high in they're going with their gut in leads them to weird places and I wonder if that's a way of thinking about Dave Robertson Joe Kelley leaving Joe Kelley enemy there was it felt like there was just a lot of gut work going on there yes and by the way leaving him for for how he Kendrick which was obviously freight adding it seemed like a crazy move in a lot of ways and it worked out really really really really badly but maybe then you would so say that he got sort of roped into sticking with Joe Kelly is now he's thinking about getting the ground ball and Joe Kelly's the better ground ball pitcher and there were maybe not would solutions there but then he kept on Joe Kellyanne so at some point along the way it feels like Dave Roberts just made a move because the postseason there's something about the postseason that was maybe clouding his decision making or or causing him to to think like what this is this is too important I want to go against my instincts and so he went with his instincts and now is the disaster was yeah and I'm looking at kid Rosenthal's article today which is titled Dave Roberts Meet Grady Little but I am also looking at a report from for Hey Castio of Los Angeles times who says that Dave Roberts will remain the dodgers manager in twenty twenty according to a couple of sources so that is the seemed to just about everyone it looks like he's going to be back he has a lot of lives it's tough for Roberts because a friend of mine dodger Fan Texas may saying like He likes Dave Roberts in the regular season but he makes crazy pitching moves in the postseason and every manager makes crazy pitching moves postseason like they all do it they all have to do it they also choose to do it they all have crazy pitching moves and the we remember the ones that don't work out which is kind of like a banal thing and to say but with Dave Roberts by managing deep into the postseason every year he has to make even more he has to just keep making easy pitching moves because that's the nature of the postseason until one doesn't work out and then like fat tends to end the season for him and so he gets remembered for them I don't know if you if there was some way of counting up all crazy pitching moves that every postseason manager does has to do controversial moves debatable moves in seeing whether Roberts makes I dunno more crazy moves or that a greater percentage failure workout or something but yeah I mean he's made a bunch of crazy moves that that worked too so I'm not surprised that he's coming back I thought he would come back but I guess at this point I wouldn't have been surprised either way yeah will what you were saying about questions sir whatever we want to call it that is one way that people define it it's not that you've perform so much better in these situations than you do usually it's just that you don't let those situations disrupt you and get you away from whatever you normally do so I guess that would be a case of a manager instead of making the move he might make in May not that you would want to handle your bullpen the way that you do in a typical regular season game either it's like a hybrid of the two sort of where you do want to be ultra aggressive in that situation and go with your best players for as long as possible but that's not really what he right so I don't know what that was but maybe it was a one time only event last thing when matches are was running out of the bullpen celebrate the final out you guys mentioned that great giftable image of matches or running out of the bullpen to celebrate the final and Scher runs like ten steps in the turns around and is like looking to see anybody's behind him did you have a moment thinking about the time that Max Scherzer celebrated a walk off too early out of it was it was a walk off he thought it was a walk it was yeah yeah and the fact that the bats Max I wondered whether Max got eight steps out and thought wait a minute was how many outs were there or what is are we in but that's
How Sage Revitalizes Agriculture Near Cities
"Name is sabella. Krause and i am the the president and founder of an organization called sage sustainable agriculture education and really there's another e. on the end enterprise because what what how we describe ourselves as an entrepreneurial nonprofit we work both on our own projects that we developed and we work in <hes> as saba to other farms but a basic mission is to revitalize agricultural places new cities and foster vital dole food systems that connect urban and rural communities and we work in a number of scales we work at the regional scale fru frameworks that we develop and and are invited to partner on and then we also work on the ground on specific projects exit the level of developing agricultural parks helping to develop wholesale food centers and that kind of thing and we work sort of inbetween sub-regional scales gales and basic approach developed what we say big vision ideas and implement them on the ground to collaboration with lots of different kinds of stakeholders yeah and you and i we were we were this. I met you when we were both wallace. <hes> sandra fellows and and <hes> last year and one of the things that just was so impressive to me about you and your work is your ability to look at this very large scale i think i i think there aren't a lot of people i run into. Who have that ability. I think there are a lot of people thinking about food systems on a bigger scale sale. I find what happens is that sometimes that focus can be on two wins of the food supply chain it can be on issues around agricultural of farmland protection <hes> access for new farmers and beginning farmers all the way to the other side where there are issues of food security thirty and food access both hugely important issues but what sometimes gets much less attention paid to it is the business of food food which is the whole supply chain which i know you worked very closely on <hes> <hes> in between <hes> the production part and then the end-consumer part and <hes> i think you know i think the basic idea is food certainly even in the bay area the foodie conscious area food gets really taken for granted the whole food agricultural system. I should say get sort of taken for granted so one way to try to draw greater attention to it is to say well. Some of our issues and approaches could solve other problems or help help implement other objectives <hes> now just give you a couple of examples in the city of san jose where we work closely they <hes> you know have major goals have diverse economic development and authenticity and that sort of thing <hes> but you you know there is a sense sometimes that in the rush for everyone to make such a focus on technology they've kind of gotten about some of the routes as being one of the major age of fruit production regions in the country and so that feels part of the past but in fact do reports we do such as the san jose food works we point out that their food system or food sectors actually make huge contributions visions economically to a lot of different goals to the diverse economic development goals cost of authencity mean santa's as the city which is the sticks most diverse i in the country <hes> but again that's sort of hidden in place plain sight so we try to elevate <hes> what both those assets are what they what the needs are so the city in this instance that the city scale looks at more closely what kind of investments a needed in across the food sectors to help realise other broader city goals and doing the same thing regionally as we're looking at <hes> regional resilience <hes> in the face of both natural disaster other a longer time impacts as we're looking at a long term land on usa transportation plan. We're saying not just where food and agriculture should be. She should fit in but how they too can be part of the solution the other things. The region is grappling with right so if i if i. I don't know if i'm correct in saying this but it it it seems to me like you you when when you say elevate you do you look at data and help people understand the landscape as it exists right now using the data and then you're making helping people will make the connections back to as you said economic development activities writes that it is injustice data about local food systems. It has connections to economic activity in the community absolutely <hes> i mean you know you one. <hes> one little example is is talking. We simply to a produce wholesaler <hes> in again in the city of san jose essay and <hes> they were saying you know the city doesn't really care about us. We just service hundreds of food trucks and of course in san jose like in many cities. The whole idea of the food truck culture is hugely important in defining public spaces and who people are and kind of diversity of culinary choices but again those food trucks depend on having a commissary places to get where they can get do. They're cleaning and places. This is where they can get their food supplies. So in the you need to help sometimes draw the attention of cities to the fact that the food truck doc doesn't materialize in the plaza at eleven thirty a m but it also is part of a set of infrastructure <hes> need need that that attention is needed for i mean and especially i would think in in places like san jose where <hes> real estate. I'm assuming is super. Expensive and lease rates would be expensive and so it's gonna take a bit of effort on the part of the city to make sure that add some of these infrastructure you know like like a distribution harbor something can can happen right to support things like food trucks it is it is really a challenge because there is definitely a kind of a a practice i would say the highest and best use scher <hes> across across the board and and obviously food as far less elastic are for less much more in the last crisis and a a lot of other tech kind of manufacturing and that sort of thing <hes> yeah so. It's a bit tough because <hes> you know where is the intervention. Come i mean the developers are need incentives or they need programs to try to to even begin to entertain. I mean this sort of idea and i'll give you another example. <hes> the city recently sort of put up for an exploratory exploratory are f._p._u. Request for qualifications advocation is really a site but one of the one of the requirements of the program for this one hundred and sixty acre site in an industrial part of san jose was a that housing was not to be part of the development and be that the jobs needed to be geared to people who didn't necessarily have college applic- <hes> <hes> college degrees and so that right away by putting out a program like that that against narrowed the scope and in fact some of the proposals is that were developed for that absolutely included a wide range of agricultural production the focus on indo farming and that sort of thing and agricultural processing agricultural <hes>. I mean food processing food distribution and also room due to look about this in a new way room room for agricultural r._n._d. Food are he. <hes> you know i was at a little at a meeting earlier this week. It kind of a food hack affonso valet always there are i mean dozens and dozens of firms popping up every i don't know quarter i should say looking at some new innovation in supply chain or new food production new vegan or new plant based proteins and new robotics and but you know a different kind of <hes> i and different platforms and so <hes> you know that that is a whole cluster of businesses so <hes> the attention needs to be paid to you know the idea that you could couple that future looking <hes> food development around. Maybe what's more traditional food distribution. I think is really exciting notion. It is and i think it's ah i love the food hack thon. I love that idea like food hack thing <hes> just because i think i in fact i was on a a phone. Call this morning with somebody who called in. I do these virtual office. Hours may called in who is in iowa. Who's who's doing a really interesting technology that applies to indoor agriculture and we were talking about the fact that there's like no where <hes> logically for that kind of tech company to go right now because tech it's not a software app like they still have to their software involved but they still have to grow plants right and plants grow as fast as they grow grow and and they need infrastructure for that and so that that just the way from a financial perspective in every other perspective how that tech company is gonna and grow is different and we don't have a natural place. Where is there an accelerator where somebody would actually understand this and the answer is no so what an opportunity to have that kind of a physical place. That could could be a home for this kind of innovation. Absolutely there are a few accelerators propping up. I'm one that comes to mind is food systems six. You may of <hes> but they they have. I think they are now. Maybe third cohort and <hes> some of the businesses that they have helped to incubate a really. I'm doing well so nice. <hes> i think <hes> you're you're right on it. There's definitely a need for these kinds of accelerator right right. Well and you know in attack. The the there's developed this infrastructure for helping groom growing businesses right so accelerators and and and pitch events and all that kind of stuff and just don't haven't really actively applied that to agan food yet ag tech and food so so is this this. This is a pretty big acreage in california is that is this city involved in the purchase of that or who owns out right now about the one that the one that i mentioned in san jose city owned land. It is okay to figure out what the program should it'd be four before. They put out a full fledged r. p. p. right. I got it and you know it adjoins burrowing wing al habitat so there's no sir <hes> it's probably about any feet above sea level twenty by thirty thirty feet above sea level nominations. <hes> nothing seems simple out here and oh my goodness i mean the congestion here is really <hes> gotten getting more intense by the month <hes> they've been as part of plan bay area there have been some future scenario planning and <hes> you know one some projections have the population slated to grow by almost one hundred percent to close to thirteen eighteen fourteen million in the next whatever it is twenty five years so my partner magin how does that work has infrastructure work and of course along with those comp kind of projections are ideas to invest billions more in transportation billions more in housing and <hes> we keep putting our hand up and saying oh but wait a second you know let's really think about food and agriculture as part of this. We kind of look at quarter are globally globally as a public responsibility to look deliver those things and food. They're still kind of sense if the market takes care of that that's right and we've come up with a couple of ideas to going back to the thing i said earlier about <hes> trying to present a solution that solves problem in in another arena <hes> so there's a lot of attention being paid played both in the bayer and really across california to the need for more affordable. Oh housing because you have these companies that are booming but it's displacing a lot of people who work at low and even medium wage jobs in any event <hes> <hes> so there we are looking at how can we build more affordable housing <hes> and often that housing is located. You know transit oriented kid in dense urban areas. It's oftens what's called mixed use housing village style housing and i say well could we also think about including adding healthy food outlets in those kind of places. Could there be insent. Could there be <hes> we wanted to look at policies which could or the aligned in but i should say between affordable housing policies and investments and healthy food access policies and investments and so you know could we bring those things together so rather than looking at separate problems with separate solutions so that's one of the things we're excited to be <hes> looking into with trying to find funding in fact right now to <hes> begin to take a look at some possibilities there
The Internet Responds to the New Trailer for 'Cats'
"The trailer for the movie cats uh-huh so curveball if we could create a vast distance between quality as vast distances possible from the South Pole to the North Pole and back again that's cats to once upon a time in Hollywood in my mind Chris. I Really WanNa know what you thought of the cats trailer. I'm starting to lose the La- grip on the road pure man like I don't know. I don't really know what my purpose and role is in this culture if this is what we're doing wow if brought you to your knees. I'm a fake animal that sings. I don't need me. You'll need my takes like you know what I'm saying like retiring. I'm I'm just saying that like I have nothing to offer. Cats culture cats culture yeah. What's what is it? What are your dog guy? You know wish that Milton in could sing no did I need to see James Corden as a cat various other people as cats. I I don't know who this movie is for other than intense fans of the extremely long running winning Broadway musical cats which is utterly mediocre musical by all accounts not really in the in the Pantheon of the great examples of all time memories. JAMMIES is okay but you know what what else. I don't know they've assemble levels <unk>. Dave assembled a lot of talent. This has like all time stinker at non it. I think it has all time film twitter meam Lord written all over and we find out that film twitter is not the real world. I think three hundred dollars yes. That's the big question is is the trailer hit on Thursday. Everybody acted as if they got a star is born but in reverse yeah they could that they were they thought was going to be bad and it was actually worse than they thought it was going to be and they they left at the chance like a cat right to make fun of it can can I just read some of the names of of the characters lease due. Taylor swift is playing a cat named bumble Arena Scher eagerly anticipating that performance Gordon is playing a cat named Busta for Jones Yeah Yeah of course as the call me that Jennifer Hudson Grizz Abella Yup the crucible is the singer of memories rebel Wilson Jenny any dots yeah cool cat names racism creative writing Cinderella tighter. Yeah I know about that guy little known facts about cat. Isn't there something Jelica yes little known. Fact about cats is Andrew. Lloyd Webber was nine years old when he wrote it surprising that we're not but <hes> so you guys are. I'm not anticipating this movie not that much snow. Would you say you're anticipating it less than Topgun Maverick. Yeah I mean I think that if if you could if I could get in a time machine and they were like do you WanNa go back and kill Hitler right or you know Bassy Alexander the Great Cross the Russian steps I would like can I just go ahead fifteen months to see top gun to in the span of five minutes you have retired fulltime cultural commentary and you have stated that rather than kill Hitler. You would like like to go forward nine months. The high stakes here. I can't imagine listen people's choices of their own choices it I could not. I can't imagine sitting through this movie. Here's the here's the issue with the realistic take on cats. What's the genitals where are they? What's going on with them? You see I'm watching trailing arm like I'm expecting to see a para harakat nuts. Are you not you are because it's a realistic moved in this. Why are we doing it? Can they wear pants. Why are they not wearing pants? WHO's Coordi- character Busta for bus drivers got like a little petticoat yeah? He's starting it some wearing pants summer. Not What is the deal. What does the deal is this exactly what you hoped or hoping the Jason would imitate Jerry Seinfeld seeing the trailer for cats so yes? This is exactly what imagining
"scher" Discussed on Arrowhead Pride
"He's your backside address Scher essentially, he's holding contain on the backside like pretty much already does as a stand up rusher. He can stand up or put his hand in the dirt. It really doesn't matter from this. And he's out wide on the weak side. That's kind of where you want him. So you have a bunch of different things you can do here. It's the four three hundred really is not not much different than a three four people think it is. It isn't misses the same defense the Seattle Seahawks. Ran for a lot of time. They also ran a four three over, but we won't go into that one. But it's the same thing you have a standup lighter edge rusher off the weak side. You have Sam linebacker that plays on the strong side as a stand up guy, whereas your Leo on the backside just happened to have his hand of the dirt. That's. The only difference on real Russian downs. You'll probably get somebody like Nadi org savior Williams, you to get that under tackle the those tackle off the field. And you're gonna put in your strong defensive end likely brillant, you're gonna kick him inside and just play with two three tax. That's just kind of the way it goes. There's no issue. Another big thing years Spagnolo, and it could have been possibly because the personnel. But I went back to a lot of years with the giants. He doesn't play three safeties. He plays to safeties. He plays a third corner. And he keeps his baseline backers out there a lot like you said this like Craig set is Sam we'll kick down and rush, but he'll keep his middle linebacker and his will out there, which is kind of a good spot for something. Like oh Daniel because he has that coverage ability to be effective if he's dropping short zones. We just got to see him get more comfortable in that role. So they're looking for only two safeties right now based on what we saw. And here's my fun. Doug it right now, you know, who was drafted with Bagnall..
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"We make another chapter, it's time to chime as usually time to find find another way to do something. So when you're feeling insecure, do you see that as sort of retrigger that you must start doing something? Well, it's usually it's usually indicating to me that I'm getting sloppy and lazy and flabby, you know, and I feel bad about something it isn't. It isn't what I would like it to be. So. You know it, it's part and you know, it's like realizing that you need a haircut. I mean, it's not that different. Well, you can get a trim versus like a mullet. Talk about your chart, your chart of accomplishment because I think it's wonderful, and I think it can be described without needing to see a visual representation. Okay. I did a staircase of a career. I think that design careers, all careers, really sort of like this surreal, staircase so that when you're in your twenties and you're starting out, the risers are very tall, but the steps are very shallow because you don't know anything yet. So you make a lot of discoveries because you make a lot of discoveries because you don't know anything, and then you get into your thirties and you become a bit of a professional and you're, you're starting to be a solid pro so that the step is a little deeper and the risers a little more shallow going up to your forties and you're still making discoveries, but not to the degree where you're twenties by your forties, you're not only a pro, you're an AG pro so that the step starts to get a lot longer and you find that you're competing with people younger than you for work that used to get easily. And that's very scary and you have to make another jump and you get to your fifties. And the riser is very low, and the step is the, the step is very, very wide. And what's good about it is it doesn't matter that you're not growing because you're in your fifties, and the thing about your fifties is you have power in the reason you have power in your fifties is all your clients are always your age. So all those people you grew up with, they're in their fifties to and they've got power, so they can actually give give you some decent work and all of a sudden you're capable of doing all the stuff that you may not even have the innovation sensibilities that you had when you were young or the arrogance of it. But you have a lot of knowledge, so you do that very well and then you hit sixties and it's really just sort of the fifties extended until the end where you don't know what the hell's going on. Perfect. Is that and have you ever heard a more succinct reason to look forward to your fifty. You state in in the monograph that you have felt so much of what has happened to you to have been happenstance. Yeah, I do. Why is that? Because because things happen there isn't there isn't I mean there, there's your character. There's your four to two. There's your stick to it of MS. They're all those things. Okay. There attributes of your human nature. That's that's. That's part of me. I admit that, but I'm moved to New York and got a job in the record industry. And that was incredibly lucky. I didn't even know I had a good job. I see interns and people who work for me don't have the kind of opportunity I had. That's nothing but luck. It was the timing of being there at the right time when Terry and I started a business, some of it was hard work. Some of it was stupid. I mean, we made a lot of stupid mistakes. We spend a lot of money. We should have spent. But I think that we hit desired Geiss right? At least in the in the first part of the eighties, and then then it went south. And then that when Terry left a year after he left that, where I really didn't know where things we're going to go..
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"Fair enough. Adrian injury and goes on to say something else. He says, you don't have to spend long in paula's company to discover that she has a sharp sense of humor often wickedly scatalogical. And a personal raider system that is finely tuned to picking up the imperfections kinks and idiocies of human beings. Where does this come from? My parents. So all of that that all of those obstacles they put in your way? Yeah. One last remark from works by Adrian Paula critics, look at some of her work, shake shacks identity. Her long-lived CitiBank logo or her apparently neutral, Microsoft work and see only mainstream commercial design. It's charge that share ever the contrary in accepts. But with qualifications my question is, what are the qualifications. Well, I don't that I have to explain the design community a bit to the audience. There are groups of people who are designers who think that design has to be in the service of some nobler purpose and not for corporate America. I don't agree with that because I think most people what they confront all day long as corporate America, and I think that a designer's responsibility is to elevate the expectation of what something should be. And for example, I I'm very proud of my work for shake shack because at elevated whole area, fast food, and it forces McDonald's to do a better job. And I think that that's the role of the designer and that if you're not doing that and you, you have to stain for somebody worse will do it, and that's what we'll live with. So I just disagree with that opinion. Totally. One thing that I've quoted you on many, many times to clients to colleagues is the notion that people don't hire. Really expensive or -ccomplish brand designers because of how accomplish they are. It's because they know how to navigate through the politics and you can do that brilliantly, you often. When starting a new project, you turn briefs and the client expectations around one hundred eighty degrees. You challenge specific ways of thinking specific ways of doing things. Do you think it's because of your level of accomplishment that you're able to do that that clients will accept that from you because of what you've already done in the past, or have you always done that? I don't think I got that in the music business. I mean, I think that goes back. I've done. I've done that a long time. I got better at it and. I really don't feel cynical about it. I mean, my goal is to teach somebody how to see that people come, you know, if I go to the dentist, I don't want to tell the dentist how to fix my tooth. I mean, I think that would be sort of presumptuous and that I'm just the clients dentist. I mean, my job is to help them make themselves understandable and recognizable to audiences, and I know how to do that. And if they've hired me, I can help them and they can participate and we can. We can work very well together if they can do it better than me than they should dire somebody else. In addition to your prolific work as a designer, you're also a painter, and you have gallery exhibits and commissions as hang said all over the world. And you said that time and social structure are the main differences between your practices as a designer, and as a painter, financial structure? Actually financial structure. So what about the time part time and social structure or financial structure will the time is it doesn't take very long to design something and the way I make my paintings, they're very laborious and they take a very long time and design is done quickly running around with other assistance and help and his highly social and I paint by myself in a room. So they're very opposite things. The major difference and designers have a hard time with this that they'll say, my work is art, meaning. My work is fine art and I, they use it as a value judgment, and I don't see it that way. I think that the difference between fine art and design is financial. If you're a fine artist, you go wherever you go and you make whatever you're gonna make you determine what you're gonna make..
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"He joined in one thousand nine hundred one and everything from the minute. This is a quote in the book from the minute you joined pentagram the negative press and anti Postmodernism attacks stopped total. Isn't that amazing? Nothing like a football team, right? But but put bring the mic up a little bit close. Okay. Okay. So but when you first started, even working at pentagram was difficult. You had to contend with a lot of male ego to them and you were isolated. You weren't nearly forty s you had no children. And most of your women friends were juggling careers and babies as you were trying to exist and compete with fifteen men. What made you stay. Three projects in. I think it was I joined in nineteen ninety. One. I remember ninety one and ninety two were really, really, really hard for me. And then in ninety three, I. I got a call to work on the American Museum of natural history, which was a big identity project. Then almost directly after that. Janet frolic asked me to redesign the New York Times magazine, and then I got a call from the public theater and they all happened in the same year. The calls were all for me. I would have gotten the calls Copello share. They were the same. They were the same call. It wasn't for the pentagram partners, but I got the jobs at pentagram. I don't think I would have gotten the jobs as a single woman alone in my own business. They were too big and it changed everything. And it made me have a lot of confidence and they were visible and it got much easier after that. Do you think that your male partners perceive you differently getting those three jobs in around? Well, a few of them are pissed off. So now a days you balance three major things at pentagram, getting business doing business and educating. So can you talk a little bit about the getting business and doing business part? How much time do you spend actually having to get business? I would imagine that there's calls coming in all day long asking for Paul shared design, worked for numerous organizations all over the world sometimes, but not always, and. Part of what we do is the way we get work because we don't. We don't have a new business person who goes out and finds work for us. We don't. There's nobody makes cold calls. There's no, we, we essentially get work by being visible and so being visible means doing things like this. It means becoming active in certain parts of the profession or joining a board or. Donating something as a know a service because because of the relationship, I mean, all of those things are part of getting business. And so it's about the profile and you spend time on that, otherwise you wouldn't do it because it's all part and parcel of that of that thing. Then there's the doing of the work, which after you get it, you got to do it that takes up time. And what was the third thing educating? Well, we all teach and we're teaching our students and we're teaching our clients, and that's what we're doing. You have been. Celebrated for a long time. As the world's greatest female graphic designer,.
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"Balanced, editorial design and promotion packaging and record covers you worked together for seven years, but he left to go to work at Esquire. And you were on your own again, you you sort of took over the whole company. You started doing electric overall, the debt, all the debt, and you've said that the late eighties where the knee dear of your design life, was it because of the debt? No, no. This is this is interesting. I was actually, we were. I have to say we were hot when we started our business out of the music business, and we started getting all this youth-oriented work. We did the first promotions in the United States for spur swatch watch. I did an identity for Manhattan records and we got the whole label to do. I grew to seventeen people, Terry got a magazine called European traveled on life that was sort of an expensive lifestyle magazine, and the opposite of being hot is being cold and that if you almost saw too fast, I think when you're young, you also crash land because I began getting criticized for my work. They were. It was called a retro. It was bad Postmodernism. There was the criticism for the swatch watch poster. I mean, all of this happened in the late eighties and was also a horrible economy at the. Terry left was because he was a magazine designer and during the Gulf, the first Gulf war there, the magazines stopped being published. I mean, there was there was just no work. So he he went in, he took a staff job and I ran the studio. The this watch this watch watch work that you did is articulated beautifully in in this extraordinary new book by unit additions called polish share works. Despite getting permission from Herbert matters estate to be able to use an image that was something that he had created. You were. You were. Really maligned in the press for what they what people thought was was theft or plagiarism when in fact it wasn't. It was it was ten right on it was right. It was credited. Why do you think that that you were so bullied at that time? I'm not totally sure. I think that it was. It was an easy target. What was odd about the. The attacks was that the poster itself that was receiving all the the, the brouhaha really was of the tax Jordan about nine thousand nine hundred nine. The poster was designed in nineteen Eighty-four, so it's my latest five years later. So it seemed like a real delay in it, and it was some of it was calculated. I mean, some of it was Tibor and it was Tibor Kelman for people that might not be aware he. He spoke about the poster at a conference in a in a very negative way, and it sort of brought this whole thing to light. He later apologized my, yeah, we're friends. Yeah. Maybe we had been good something new in the record industry. But you know, at the time it happened, I was devastated. It was horrible. I mean, I, I really, I really didn't know what to make of it. And at that point. Would he Pertile came around and asked me to join pentagram and I thought, oh, wow, that's that's a real opportunity. And a part of me thought only gonna lose my independence and I really didn't know what to do. And then I thought it'd be great to have a big group of guys protect me for me. People attacking. And I have to say, I joined pentagram and it totally stopped it completely..
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"And so in order to do that, you needed to go out on your own. What happened was I wanted to be a magazine art director, but I couldn't. I couldn't get a job as a magazine or director because I didn't have any magazine seventy. Why should it go from making something squared? Something rectangle with. I want to make something that had pages the term, but I wanted to do something more than this. This flat, twelve and a half by twelve and a half. He's paper. And the thing was that you you. You cannot jump professions if you have a certain area of expertise. So I would have to go down and be innocent art director. I would have had to be somebody's assistant art director after actually making all the stuff and running a department, and I want to do it. So I thought the only way to do it was to go on my own, which I did. And shortly after I did that, I got hired by timing to develop to magazines in house, but they wouldn't have hired me as an art director. I had to come in on a contract which was over new year anyway. And then then I started a business with Terry Copello. Do you think the businesses different now? Do you think that it's easier for people to do a lot of different things. I'm not sure that's true. I think that the design firms are generalists and the people that come out of the design firms are generalists, but most people are hired based on where they were before and what their job title was before. This is the tragedy of the industry so that it's hard for somebody to get a broad stroke of experience without say, working at pentagram or working. Two for Stephen Doyle or or that sort of thing? New York. I mean, most people are in companies or they're working for magazines. They're doing what they're doing. Sort of the same thing over and over again, because that's what the places by find those that designers are required to have so many more skills coding, retouching being jailing away, you think learn retouching. That artificial intelligence can do it. Just don't even waste your time. Really, really what's coming. That's the new software programs are software programs where what's scary about it is that. Clients will actually get a hold of things and accomplish this thing and think that they can buy stock shops have just reached retouched them because you make a command into it and the the artificial intelligence does it automatically. Okay. Well, let's let's go down to an even more d'arthur place. So you started this company with your old friend from school? Terry. Capelle. Right. He was a magazine designer in your studio. Capelle and chair was a.
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"I had no relationship to them. I don't know why they liked it. I thought they were crazy that, but there was something else in that time because I looked at the Star Wars graphics for for the Lucas movie only a year later and you'll see the relationship. It wasn't that they were copying that it was that there was something in the air about this thing. Does it when you did it though? Did you think. Yeah, he's doing. Yes, the answer's yes, I'm, I'm shocked. I'm really shocked because I mean, especially when you have the experience of participating in something the way I did in that it felt so intentional. And so I'm cyber into another world. Yeah, you had to get us on stage to hear this apology rate. Okay. Talked about meeting David Bowie. I read that. You said that meeting David Bowie. When you met divvy grill, you realized you've met the most beautiful men you'd ever seen. He was. He was this little man in a perfect suit standing in my doorway and I, I, I've never seen anything like that. They used to bring. Recording artists. If they were going to sign to the label, they'd bring them down to the art department because the art department had a really good reputation and they'd be introduced to us. Sometimes I would take them around and some of the some of the stars were jaw-dropping. I mean, they were just just stunning. And then others were not. In hundred eighty two. You took a very big risk. Can you left this amazing job at CBS to go out on your own? What made you decide to do that? That's a big risk. Well, first of all, the record industry was going down CDs, that sort of entered the barely though at that point, I think we were still kind of wondering if they want we were already making them. They were going into this plastic container, right? That was called jewel box and people perceived that the the, the technology of the CDs was more sensitive because because of the way it looked then then vinyl, when when really the reverse was true in vinyl was always in cardboard, but this sort of plastic Joe box was a slip in piece of paper was not great. So that was one thing. Another thing was that for three years, though the record industry after one year being better than the next sort of tanked. So. So there were there were mass layoffs and it was not a very pleasant place to be. But the real reason that I left was I wanted to make something that wasn't square..
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"That's right. What vice would you give to young people to help them develop the ability to explain and defend and promote their work. You have to be in the position to be doing it. And that I fear that very often young people really don't have that opportunity because they're working for somebody else, and they don't really have have the opportunity to learn how to defend and talk about it, but they can learn if they're working for somebody who does it very well. They can pick up a lot that way. And maybe when they have interactive interactions with the clients, they can begin to defend and explain why something is terrific and why it shouldn't be changed and and and why that's good for that client. When you were working in record covers, you were working with jazz jazz artists with folk artists with punk Artis. Did you have a similar approach to working for somebody like Elvis, Costello to working with the band like cheap trick to working on jazz covers for Charles Mingas. Another entirely different. I mean, she trick was interesting because I designed a logo for them that they use continually. So I did about five covers for them, and I got a call from somebody who is publishing a book called thirty three into third where each book is about one record, which was actually one of them is cheap tricks. I album and they reminded me that I hand wrote all the liner notes for these guys. I frankly didn't remember that I'd done it till they brought it up on the phone and I remembered that there were things that you brought to that sort of production that became personal to those those artists. But I didn't think anything about it when I was doing it, it was just something I gave away because I was working with them and it was fun. You said that you think you did just a few good album covers a year while you were doing this work, but there album covers now that are classics that you hate. Yes. So how do you reconcile that? Have we? How do you accept the just referring to the Boston cover. I was doing my very best to actually say Boston cover, but yes, now I was talking about that with with the students this afternoon that that the Boston covers designed. I think with nine hundred seventy six. How many years ago is that a long time ago? It was like almost forty years ago. I mean that the idea that people actually know what it is to me is amazing and that that retrospect I realized how much we all get to contribute to the culture. We don't really think about it. You know? Because because the profession isn't really about. The intent of doing that. It's more about the joy and the discovery of pushing something or making something that might be new that might have the effect. But once you've made it, you forget about it, you're onto the next thing. So the idea that something hangs around that long to me sort of magical. I mean, I know I remember I remember doing it. I know the person I was when those things happened, but such transpired afterwards that you just let that go. You used a word today to describe something else that I actually think Ken describe things like that cheap trick liner notes or the Boston cover, ease the word, materiality. And I remember looking at that Boston cover, I think I was just senior in high school and I was miss Moore is, and I remember staring at it and staring at it and trying to understand it. And there's so much about your. Work that still feels like you want to look at it. You want to examine it. You want to make every effort understand it. Is that something that you realize. Sometimes not what the Boston job. No, I think the busing covers about something else. I think that that we bought the Boston cover predated the movie Star Wars by one year, and I think we hit zeitgeist which is accidental that sometimes you design something or you make something and you automatically discover something in the nerve at the time and you can't. You can't Bank on that that that is. I mean the audience that like that we're sixteen year olds, and I was twenty six..
"scher" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"Between your parents get your parents skepticism and the criticism of your teachers over and over what gave you, the sense that you could do this, that you could be successful that you could go to New York City with a portfolio and fifty dollars. I want to do it and I didn't see any really good alternatives. I mean that you know, that is certain point you do it because if you don't do it, you're going to be doing something you don't want to be doing. I mean, I still feel that way. I feel that. If something is difficult, but it's what you wanna do you have to confront it and try to do it because the rest of your life, you'll regret not having done it. Why do that? So how did you first when you first got to New York with the fifty dollars? How did you make your way? I know that you've got a job at CBS, but it wasn't a design job at CBS nor have designed station in department. Now, Noah say was designed. I was designing crappy ads, right? You know, designing these, these, these crappy ads and they, this is where I learned everything. I learned about business. Like I used to design these ads and they would. You would do a layout and the lay there was there was something called the traffic manager, and the traffic manager would route the layout around to all these various approvals in the in the organization. And I would work with a copy writer and I would lay out an ad and the ad would would go to the first person. The first person sent back for changes, then we make changes, and then the Ed Wood route again, and we go back to the. Second person who had to see it and that person would make some changes and we'll come back again. You change it again and then the day would be over and then you don't be the next day and then you go and you do the same thing three times. And then on the last day because these were ads that went into what we're known as trade magazines for for records of his cashbox and billboard. And this I was laying out little ants that did that. And on the third day, all the ads went right through because you are out of time which meant it just made more sense not do not to do the ads to Wednesday, they'd be out of time that would be an began to learn how corporations worked from doing this, and it was I really learned a lot in that experience. Your very first job at a school is working in children's. So how did you get that job. I I went around. I mean, I was walking around with my portfolio and somebody needed an assistant at didn't pay much, and I got the job, and then the man who hired me quit and I inherited another boss who happened to be a man named herb Levin, who's Mark Levin stead by the way and herb. I thought I was awful in sloppy Spurrier, absolutely scared me made me better. And then we became close friends when he left. He was going back to advertising and he's, he's, he thought that would not be good for me, and he is the one who actually got me the job at.
"scher" Discussed on IoT inc
"And i would forecast a better help for humans and human problems so give you a perfect example so i did i talk for you know for the world bank on the shoot scher of creating a digital supply chain which doesn't exist so we we about a billion in change of folks on the planet today they can't get the food they need their either undernourished or they're in starvation just in general think about that it's twenty teen and we can't get the food we make plenty of food and we make enough but we can't get it because the supply chain is not visible in integrated and there's no reason why we can't do that it's a supply chain management issue or is it so i said said so i gave it presentation with analysis about that and really what it is we need to transform in create original digital supply chain for agriculture food how about that so world bank story concerned about that and i said what and what would really help is if we had a group of you know a is on the platform that were tied to i o t in fields and in all different parts of the supply chain from seed to product shelf right so that's just an example people just don't realize that we're living in a world where some of our largest complex challenges facing our civilization we could be applying a iot together to be able to come up with better solution sets.
"scher" Discussed on #Viral with Natalie Alzate
"School scher is there to keep you learning and of course thriving i'm actually super excited right now to go sign up for more calligraphy classes oh my god so much fun so join the millions of students already learning on school share today with a special offer just for my listeners get two months of skill shirts for just ninety nine cents that's right skill share is offering hashtag viral listeners two months of unlimited access to over twenty thousand classes for just ninety nine cents oh my gosh to sign up go to skill share dot com slash viral again go to skill share dot com slash viral to start your two months now that skill share dot com slash viral okay everybody that was flew low borg yes crazy episode writer viral so different from every other interview that we've had so far but anyways miami we want to miami yet has you got a complete makeover the last episode on this channel you guys obviously got to see her change her hair color i talk about your experience changing your hair color and now doing a complete makeover can you natalie oh yeah of course all right so you guys actually were the ones that decided how what i should color my hair so we actually colored my hair rose gold dennis did this for me hence he is just the husband he is a guy that plays video games and other stuff he has never even touched hair like he does he did not know what he was doing and pretty much i ended up hating my hair it was like a bright hot red it was like it was very very weird very bad so i decided i was going to take on miami or miami.
"scher" Discussed on Whimsically Volatile
"I really like the way use really good are you gain no i just always liked to know guys gay and then you leave that anybody's looking if anybody's got social anxiety at home and they're you know how going to a party can be real tough sure just walk in you find the close the nearest guy who's not talking anybody or maybe as talking anybody and you go are you gay and then he looks over and you don't even have to wait for the answer because these days some people real confused scher they're taking a back and they might be low frustrated or become violent say i always like to know if someone's gay and then you leave just waltz right right out hate you showed up you put in the work now go home and celebrate that's right yeah also i can't overstate the importance of the dip jim the dip not about the the dip okay sometimes you find yourself in a very precarious situation you gotta dip that's true you just gotta dip sometimes listen sometimes you live in with a roommate yeah sometimes you working with somebody sometimes you're working at a job sometimes you know you just can't take it anymore guess what you can do it's called dip the dip you gotta split split you're gonna talk to me fast baby got five heavy trip jive turkeys my tail dip and then you can answer questions later you can let the chips fall where they may you can apologize later make it up later but sometimes just got a yeah.
"scher" Discussed on Ross Patterson Revolution!
"Yeah that's a big one too that i could see because it's helping spread the legs and that one i can at least understand sure sure scher dr patients congratulations that whole thing patient congratulations congratulations clean bill health i'm gonna give you the dick surgical exam tape surgical exam tables though are lot for me to get behind i mean i guess i guess if you want to inspect the person really be a thorough job about it you can't see the pictures but it's very old and it looks cold very cold metal actual exam tables i did a movie once i had to be naked on an exam table lake this whatever dead and freezing freezing i know comfort whatsoever the guy who is supposed to be naked in it in the scene we didn't sound fucked up we had to stuff a squirrel in his ass he was uncomfortable with a squirrel being into his ass no so originally i was like all right fuck it all because we were getting short on time at the end of the night and i was it was american it off can get on the table i don't we gotta get shots i don't care just do it and then blasts seconds so i laid down on the table and it was like let's get ready to shoot it last second the guy comes up behind me just like all right i got the squirrel in my ass can we make this quick quick.
"scher" Discussed on Power 105.1 FM
"What's been the biggest thing that has happened since you've been celebrate would which hands you see happen immediately one i was khasif eleven hip people think as i oh my god why would you do lem hiphop or people a lot of people led to downplay the franchise but you don't you cannot dish of 11 patten you have to be sought after or lem africom someone has to come to you or you have to have some type of story line or something so that was like the first step than all the doors like what's about to happen with my acting this year and i just everything just started i mean and started lining up in forgotten here published changed though because the weather time where we would look at people that were on loving it but like this was the last resort but now it's like you know what the gave michelle shelving the cardi be like it's shane reynaud ramiz on powersharing canines had gary hetherington john scher miami was the point a man was to elevate the the franchise i was what we've discussed mainly after like you know what's happening that i'm elated as my first as first rarely that now that's part of what was happening on the first episode as they season because you in china sat down and you had some issues but the fact that he really has not helped to as far as being an item that maybe she could support him a little bit more in my career yuck by what it what we're as you have one hundred do you know just give me lie you know hit me a couple of retail you hurt me up nami epiphany on your hands year you got to work for that don't by community and just she had to work for you act that she might think that you didn't notice some good she thinks she like the music she does ruth yeah always eyes or more recently she have always seek that she's always noticed my talent stand alone which it before it now we've talked about it we've gone this close to it so why she intriguing away is rain as my hair but you said your guy told ya i mean gone away closest says without out filming the main issue came from like her camp our little hours god like trying to intervene and get up for us you don't like you.
"scher" Discussed on Budgets and Cents
"Any time that we bring up a topic sometimes it's use sometimes it's me is what we're dealing with but usually the other pressing him totally relate as well and in this situation i can definitely relates to some money mistakes that i've made as well as a couple weeks ago we talked about trusting yourself and i sometimes have a hard time trusting myself wall i do pretty well now atrocity myself to make that initial decision but then once i've made it uh the mistakes that may come after that i have a hard time sort of reconciling that or dealing with it so my money mistakes are hard for me to comprehend because i feel like i made a good decision trusting myself to make that decision and then i have to sort of go through the emotions to learn from it and make it a positive learning experience and forgiving myself for that even though i trusted myself in the beginning i almost feel like i betrayed myself after i made that money mistake so this is in the nagging definitely relate to um so i'm glad talking about it today yeah i mean i could go on with one more business what in the first scher attending the other one i really who to let this go like i feel so annoyed with myself about this but i need to let it go is that last year he talked a lot about how i thought you know in 2018 i would move into the corspes so i would create an online course and that that would be a larger part of my business model and just how i would make money and as the year went on i had some pretty lifechanging changing conversations with friends in the personal finance community an and really came to the realization i have no interest in doing that i don't want that to be part of my daily life i don't want it to just be part of my business sets that is not the direction i want to move in to and the problem is the hut i would say probably in like augustseptember i did a couple free trials of the different course software as that were out there so i could play around with them and see which ones i liked one came really highly recommended from.
Feather-Gripping Tick Trapped in Amber Dined on Dinos
"Techs one of them in with blood after feeding another entangled in a feather that feather belongs to a dinosaur researchers at oxford university museum of natural history analyze the specimens and found the ticks were probably feeding on feathered dinosaurs in their dino nests it's the first evidence of such a relationship the amber specimens underlying the research were purchased online by private collectors before making their way into research labs lead author ricardo perez la lafuente says that's a rare collaboration rebecca her scher npr news this is a pure news from wall i'm stephen
Ticked off: Tiny ‘dracula’ with a taste for dino blood | Sci-Tech
"Techs one of them in with blood after feeding another entangled in a feather that feather belongs to a dinosaur researchers at oxford university museum of natural history analyze the specimens and found the ticks were probably feeding on feathered dinosaurs in their dino nests it's the first evidence of such a relationship the amber specimens underlying the research were purchased online by private collectors before making their way into research labs lead author ricardo perez la lafuente says that's a rare collaboration rebecca her scher npr news this is a pure news from wall i'm stephen
Ticks drank dinosaur blood before they drank ours, amber fossils show
"Techs one of them in with blood after feeding another entangled in a feather that feather belongs to a dinosaur researchers at oxford university museum of natural history analyze the specimens and found the ticks were probably feeding on feathered dinosaurs in their dino nests it's the first evidence of such a relationship the amber specimens underlying the research were purchased online by private collectors before making their way into research labs lead author ricardo perez la lafuente says that's a rare collaboration rebecca her scher npr news this is a pure news from wall i'm stephen
"scher" Discussed on The Futur
"Scher class at a use our code etcetera now you and i haven't necessarily done it by the book on that where you've given way content thinking on it's cool and and now it seems i you've come to realise eishin hey there's a reason why ever to recommend to in a certain way because it just works how do you feel about that personally i mean should you be always going with whatever the industry approaches or is there room for people to try different things uh what as it as in now way you offer the products intente for money owed yeah like it like best practices like for example if somebody doesn't use hashtag for instagram well than they have some other idea because there are i hate hashtag there but in them and then after a while they're all come on have to use hashtags don't be confined my work and so for you a terms of marketing an email capture and turning your passion into a business almost everybody does it a certain way is very similar so what was air some kind of intentional thought belief that a i don't wanna do like everybody else in here wwhy or was there any the kind of reasoning i just folded simplistic approach where i just create something valuable and then i did the audience and then in tune they widow plea by the food products so i had to something that was valuable for the for the audience that's i guess the simply.
discussed on Jocko Podcast
"And although the two right on anyway lightning bolt fire yemen emojis norman there don't over to a double shocker though asanka what's the highest level of a moute emoji approval you can send me three lightning bolt three fires three shuckers three removed first your theory of everything even before it's like a like you should into four for his daimary all laughing depends on what i say though so like if there's if it's a weird all the foul in the word we'll who they'll be like that's that can be infinite rudy leg if i played i don't know you not like you'll tell me something exciting and i'll put it not an dang instead of de a angie i'll put d lower case eh depending level of excitement a in that can go infinitely by the way back in spanned twenty text messages even over twenty days that's how infinite it can be in the first half of the is lower case the second half of the asia upper case the an maybe ten ends cheese all capital there and you know then it a did leave him it just may as well like i said i think you communicate well i be as a thumbs up on a on a theories note in regards to communication that is affective you know what i mean view this as a level of excitement new as opposed to cool periods area no you're you're you're your with clip x ray of blood in his life a anyway next question if you have already come all good hey is a to booed i guess yeah the rainbow airbus does fits loathing good dearest jaakko speaking of lighthearted uh nice emotions dearest jaakko due to skip reform okay my mother jukka what is the difference between extreme ownership versus the easy button can you elaborate i just need a little more clarification to connect the dots in my situation okay uh again so as a leader yes of course you are supposed to take ownership of everything extreme ownership of everything that's what we talk about all the time but does this mean that you say i will do this and i will do that and i will do the other thing i will do everything that the team is supposed to be doing no that's that's not what i'm talking about now 'ownership does mean that you get things done you are responsible for making sure things get done that's what 'ownership is our team is in charge of something if our team is in charge were project and and we don't get it not it's my fault sunny he bielsa's so that's that's what it is it means you take responsible do things go wrong it means you take responsibility for problems and you get them fixed that's definitely ownership now the easy button and when i talk of easy button in a negative way because that's what i'm doing here it's when your subordinates come to use and say how should i do this or or what's the best way to execute this or can you can you tell me a good plan on on how we should make this happen or even haters bad news qin you come tell my people because i don't really want to do it now if you say yes to all those types of things uh on a regular basis then what you're doing is you are actually you're actually stunting the growth of your subordinate leader because instead when you come to mean you say hey jaakko get this mr we got a plant how do you think we should do it if i say okay we should come in from the northeast you should do you to set up a overwatch position here he's moved the target from this direction you did didn't learn anything you just took what i told you in san jose will go come up with your best plan and come back to me briefly on it and so now you might be kinda bummed out 'cause you wanted union i wanna have to do this extra work but now you've got to go to lecture work but now you're learning and in two or three times uniting income asked me more you're in a coma the plan and because we already did a cycle cycle after cycle of you said hey here's my plan of mecenate make this adjustment and you come back next time you say here's my plan as it make this little adjustment and eventually you know to make those adjustments on your own and now you can do by yourself and that's what we want i don't want to stunt the growth of my subordinate leaders so i don't want to be an easy button um so you're providing the easy button like that's what they're talking about when they see easy button you yet if you don't want to be that you don't want to be an easy about your everybody else and are also no one's going to be able to take your job from you which is actually what you want you or i want to make every one of my subordinates so good that they can take my job for me that means i can step up and look forward and look out and they can do a better job of handling what they've got hand one eventually when it's my time to get promoted i got people to take my place and we're all good um of course that doesn't mean we them blinder let them failed don't do that gives you want to give them rope but you don't give him enough rope to hang themselves he'll you give him enough rope that they may be get a little not in the rope and he gives clear but sloppy new and then you go over to me say mater let me help you get that untied and now you give them the rope again so you don't eat you know in in a in the military you don't let someone go dual mission dutch real where someone's gonna get hurt killed were mission failure because you wanted to not be the easy but no you don't do that the in disability in sector you don't let some one lose a big client or lose a bunch of money or make a mistake the costs a bunch of capital because you didn't want to be these about no no arms now might you let some will make a little mistake scher little mistake the cost of a little bit of money new so they learn a lesson scher but you know what i'm phone your place you don't let them hangar hang themselves so that's that next rush dearest jaakko a question for you and the podcast are fire department promotion process has roleplaying scenarios those roleplaying scenarios i lose points because i'm not outwardly passionate quote unquote enough i would have to fake it to succeed and i'm not a fake person is this worth it to fake it when seeking promotion it's not like i'm gonna fake at once they attain the promotion and k this is a this is a very cool question on this question a lot and actually on the sky sent me this question on facebook i responded very quickly and simply my response was play the game you so fake it play the game yeah and and you know he wrote back got it yeah good for him he ask is what everybody i think thinks i'm going to say is like no you yourself know the game united up there an act all passionate about stuff you're you you hardcourt no the a play the game now you because you what you're doing you play the game you want wanna do good job and you're doing your job and dui your job to any job requires some level of faking it you now does this mean that you're a fake person no immediate you're trying to do a good job think if every time that your boss came in with a dumb idea and you your reaction was to say that's a dumb idea mia it is going to get you anywhere or every time a costumer had an eighty eighty idiotic complaint about something you were like hey you're an idiot or every time your wife said uh you know is this chicken dry avery said it's drier than a piece of cardboard in the saharan desert is that is that the eu are would you would you benefit from that how would that work out their answers you would he would not work out well in any those cases you have to play the game you have to play the game and i know i know that that's hard and i'll tell you what i did to get myself over playing the game i i turned it into a game in my head i was like arm i'm going to build a relationship with this boss that i don't like me to do it new from nabil the best way that's my game i'm like i'm gonna become this guy's bro right but when i was at officer candidate school you've got to do the most ridiculous rules they have his rules that you've got a follow that were really annoying and you know what i did i i executed the rules harger and more stringently than that anybody fought was even remotely necessary view and had fun with it i played that game i you know if i've got appear that may be arm competing with ford or some tension i'm going to support them and we'll play the game that's what i'm saying you got to play the game now this make me a bad person or fake present no why because you're doing this the reason you're playing the game the reason you're act asked acting this way is four benevolent reasons right this this guy at the fire department he he's not trying to get promoted so that he can usurp the powers it and takeover no he trying to get into a position where he can better lead and serve and and step up and raise young leaders underneath him back that's what you're trying to do you're not trying to sneak into a position you don't deserve and you're not trying to build relationships so you can take advantage of people for your own benefit that vat would be a fake person media in my opinion you're trying to move but if you're trying to move up in ranked so you can do better and you can take care of the troops you can increase readiness there's nothing wrong with that and if you don't play the game twos at some level you're not gonna get promoted and guess what then people that played the game that might be less less qualified to do that job they're going to get the job because you wouldn't play the game you're too stubborn your ego was too big so you've got to put that aside and i'll tell you something else learn from what you are being told him if if you're showing no passion if you're showing like zero motion that's bad people will not connect with you and if they don't connect with you they don't follow you if they don't connect with you you're not building relationships the people if you don't have relationships with people you don't have a good team so show a little bit of passion sometimes you got a fake it that's fine yours just a really on passionate person core show a little bit about russian fake it a little bit learn it a little bit yes actually gonna be beneficial is i would love for you to fake it for what a while until you you start carrying who what like what are you not passionate about are you not passionate about the job are you not passionate about your firefighter about saving people's lives are you not passionate about having a squared away department you of course you're passionate about that stuff otherwise you wouldn't be you wouldn't be sent me a message saying hey how do i get advance outright to how do i do better yeah you are passionate about it and that's fine it's good um i say it all the time you know if you don't have any motions your robot and robots people don't fall robots new so sometimes you gotta show a little bit of that a motion of passion to connect with people that's okay via don't be scared homi scaring yet because that's really the thing right is showing it of course your passion and above but showing it two different people this summit brian i did it how on a always be like showing how fired up i am all the time or whatever in in whatever scenario or whatever but you're right that does help delic when he williams excitable it's and there's a there's a dichotomy here you because there's some people that will show too much emotion yeah and there some people that will not show enough you want to be some were balanced in the middle as true and i dig it to one because it does feel like faking it because they can inflict while the tradition is like to be fired up on the sidelines let's klesko you know like that can but probably some of the energy for that as some empty canada's nervous you want to focus on what you got to do whatever you know but it's kinda part of the game you know in in it does help the people around you to things like okay he's fired up okay maybe not part up now but he's going to get me fired up you know any kind of like helps the team but uh the athamna under doesn't feel comfortable to do expressed outwardly you know i'll passion but it helps both his fake like faking it that's like a framing thing to you know like via frame it like your faking it versus i use that you'd playing the game bright usually in the game because you want to do a better job yeah i wanna get promoted you wanna you wanna get promoted for the right reasons there's nothing wrong with that yeah that's at yeah that's good i think if you can kind of banned in stretch yourself in an uncomfortable way for the benefit you know the ito i think were people i think that term of faking it no one wants to be a fake purse right right yes which is which is why you're correct in that the way that's framed un is i being a fake person you and no one wants to be a fake person you at the same time you have to grow you and you have to adjust and if you're going to be in a leadership position you're gonna do things that you don't that you wouldn't apparant how do that all the time anew house in the military you know i worked with people that i may offset the store or i work with people both below me the chain of command and above me and the change grant that i despised they never knew it they don't know who they are right now dang but you know the only way member that a you got it was that made me a fake person no makes me a professional may me a professional doing my job because i was going to be let some little personal motion of minor some of that guys does this not like that so i'm knocking white came in and now we have an adversary relationship and now i got a problem you know i'm playing the game play the game is the line what is the fake person genuinely well uh i was going to you asked what the line is the line is if you go against what your principles are you dose of you've got fundamental principles that they say oh if you want this job what we need you to do is fill out a report about billy saying that he did something wrong that you know he didn't do wrong right and you go no marking to do that that that that's what that's bad writing that's now now you're not just playing the game now you're going against your principles of being an honest person about what's happening yeah this that's really what it is rate the honesty when you're a fake so like if sums like oh i'm faking it or or i'm being a fake persson heison a fake person like turning on some passions manufactured passion for the sake of the team and stuff like that that doesn't feel like you're a fake person figures is kinda like you'll sit like some on enough for example someone's in the room and you're like hey you're getting great that shirt looks great and you're doing a great job they leave in velika sucks right add their nominees all tell you the different seeing the reason that someone the reason that you would consider psalm one it'd be angry that some was a fake person is when they are doing it because beat they're doing it for personal benefit on they're they're saying the like if if if if you were my boss and i come in and i say hey echo our every like your new haircut looks great i really think that clear co looks down but i'm going to say that anyways an everyone knows that all i want to do is get that next promotion yeah that's be fake yeah mic that's being fake but if if i'm saying because what am i really do at what i'm doing is on on a making an adaptation i'm glowing i'm i'm doing something that om uncomfortable with because i know it's going to make me a better leader that's what i should be doing is trying to become a better leader now again if that if if in this whatever organization what you have to do is is do something that you don't agree with and it's it's the wrong thing to do and you do it anyways will than than that's that's that's that's almost a totally different thick there's that then there's hey i'm gonna kiss ass room so that i get promoted it's all about me and that's probably the what we think of the definition of a fake person here next question i saw a weakness in you on your latest podcast you seem to overlook the fact that some infant children were raised in undisciplined environments with undisciplined parents they grow up having modelled these undisciplined examples i hate the fact that i have growth undisciplined behaviour solving this is a major priority of my life you have zero idea of what it of what this experiences lake for me you seem blind to this struggle like a father who ignore their child struggle and offer only the words mana so this is a good question and i i see were uh this guy's common from for sure and i know that it can be very very frustrating to try and become disciplined and i apologise that i haven't talked about the fact of of what to do if you come from an undisciplined family or you have undisciplined parents i haven't really talked about what to do in that situation but there's a reason that i haven't talked about that before and that is because you don't get discipline from your parrots you don't get discipline from your parents from your grandparents from your older brothers and sisters you don't get discipline from an external source you have to get it from you that's what selfdiscipline is you get it from yourself you get it from you so the here's people from every possible background from no parrots too crazy parents to you don't drugaddicted parents to super squared away parents and everywhere in between on that spectrum that are completely disciplined people more disciplined than any one i know it doesn't come from your parents who don't inherit it and there's another piece here it's called ownership right it's called ownership and if you're if you want to blame other people for the problem an essay this all the time if you don't take ownership of the problem the proms opera get salts of you blame your parents for not having raised you in a disciplined environment you're not going to solve that problem you're looking at your parents and if you would have done a better job being more disciplined for me i would be more disciplined now so that means that means you can't do anything the fact the matter is it's wrong you actually can do something and it doesn't matter what do how your parents raised you and brought you up you can have the discipline you need to decide to do it so as long as your blaming other people i mean if you blame me for not discussing it you blame me for having zero idea what that experience is like you blame your parents were not raise new this ways long's your blaming other people's lungs you're counting on other people to give you discipline as long as you do that you will not have it so again i i'm sorry i should have made that my should make that more clearly in i'm trying to make it more clearly now an and like my parents my parents are are good people they had successful careers as as educators in public schools in my mom eventually became uh went into school administration my dad taught in high school for thirty something years and they were good hardworking people and of but i'll tell you they were no they were no extraordinary preachers of discipline and i'll tell you i in fact i i never remember either one of them ever using the term or referring to discipline any way um you know one actually both my parents worked they both worked my dad was coaching sports and we're doing after school staff my mom same things like we were on our own a bartsch what my parents were gone in the morning we got ourselves to school when we at home in afternoon they weren't home uh you know so it wasn't like they were setting up this rigid disciplined manner for me and um and you can see this with families many many different families there's families that have kids that the parents are very disciplined and the kids are wild um and how to control sometimes at problematically so right kids that come from really good families but they get addicted to drugs lack of discipline kids that come from really good families but they they spin out of control would end going the wrong direction and there's also the opposite which is a the parents worn around or the parents were abusive for the parents were drug addicts and and overcome the keep the kid comes out of that in is squared away is awesome and we saw that old time the seal team's of said that before on this program doesn't matter it doesn't matter where your background is is what you decide to do you um and i'll tell you another thing it's not even from the military like the military requires discipline obviously but there's plenty of people in the military that don't have it right and in many poor many people lose their disciplined when they leave the march is not being imposed on them anymore moved so let me just go look around uh i mean being in the military does not make you discipline first being from discipline family does not make you discipline person being in a discipline group does not make you discipline person what makes you disciplined port person is choosing to be disciplined so d i n and also as far as telling people the man up um which you know when someone says how do i get up early every day i said get up early every day you how do i stop eating sugar stopping the the if the that's the definition of mana but obviously not just men that need displined in their life and the guy use that term but what i do tell people is the get after it that's what i tell people to get after it yeah i tell people to do the things that they know they're supposed to do right there are things that you know you're supposed to do as a human being things that you know oregon improve your life do those things there's things that you know we're going to make your worst person and make your life force don't do those things don't do the things that are making you weaker start things that are going to make you stronger and smarter and faster and healthier and get a make you better human being and i'll say the same thing to this guy you want to be more disciplined get after it and get up early do some kind of worked out eat good foods clean your room make a list of things that you're supposed to do when your wife and in wake up in the morning and do those things that you put on the list that's would discipline s and no it is not easy do not going to get it from anyone else but you and it's worth it and it is the thing that is going to bring you freedom that's the key word rate their own food it's worth it you know what i think this is what i think i think like in an environment as like how he put it in undisciplined virement rain or something like that where he grew up in an undisciplined environment ido obviously that the very vague expression redletter undisciplined farm did i mean that can mean a lot of young a lot of different things so i'll let him like when you're little brought up in a certain environment basically you're kinda taught or or not taught like like the value of certain things so if you use like unal working out who would ever right so armies myself as as an example my data than athlete um you did not disappear athlete but hughes you know he he knew like working out was a part of life instantly and you know in elementary school were doing sports and stuff like that you know some people they don't do that at all so at when the grew up into adulthood mit some people straight up have never worked out before never been in the gym and you know so grown up there they were never taught the value of what work in a does for you we never taught so they can appreciate it they just simply don't know the value surely see people with you know you know they're in shape where they can do these things and they're very function whatever they see that of course but they don't have that value they don't feel that value feed the just never learned it so it it can come off as like this thing for other people you know like oh that's what other people do kinda thing so they don't understand the value so back to the point in their mind this weird the connection is not made that it's worth it because they don't know the value of and really but if you do know the value of it and then you can decide okay is this worth it is it worth it to wake up every day in in clinical get after it for this particular goal or the this particular set of goals so that's what it is and think sure the undisciplined environment can may be provide that but i think you're right i think that once you're like oh yeah that's worth it y you know how people they'll find reasons one is worth the even though they've never expect like you don't like a person who has a heart attack or something is like and they have kids a young kids and they have a heart attack i've lady never worked out ever in their life have our detect almost died there like guess what i'm working out every single day i'm a vegetarian now you know like doing major major changes that they've never even thought about making and they'll do it because they decide it's worth it and they'll be disciplined they'll find that discipline real quick no matter how they're cheering as you know their environment in their kounellis yet it's going to be worth it that's it yeah and if if it's not worth in that i think is what you develop the value of working out the value of you develop you can develop that from anywhere at that's one of her let's put it and thankfully that as far as early develop that from any any you can develop that from from anywhere yet you can get it from parenting yet for yeah exactly right exactly right but the disciplining itself just like i said that's gonna come from you your parents can teach it but guess who has still you it's hill you and you can go to the military to specifically learned discipline when you leave it's on yoohoo is it yeah exactly right and just like i said like yeah i know people who were done with the military in a good dad they're done with that right there glad with this waking up early they're they're adly with you dig that downward ethics monster out of shape they're not doing anything productive it's it's horrible to say now but it happens happens with the military happens with anything else would kids get out a high school sports you in ulsan they don't want enough to do that anymore dumpson a coach you you crews each don't listen to coach listen to yourself yourself yeah determine whether or not it's worth it and i'm telling you did you don't need to german i'm telling you it's were phil i am telling you it is worth it and you know what you actually know it's worth it that's why you're asking this question view now it's worth it you know it's worth it to have disbelief think there's an easier way you think that it's something that people have you think that when jaakko was alarm clock goes off it's like oh just like my father taught me i rise and i shine it you don't like no i i it's like the pillow fuel soft and comfortable and the alarm clock has banging on my head and a don't like it you know what i know it's worth it to get up and get after i know it's worth and you know it's worth here's the thing though we all know it's worth the is it in a in a way you're right but lake really they'll really i'm going to be open open and honest with you i don't think that the people notes worth it i think they know it's worth it like the kind on paper none of they have a multiplechoice question is it worth it yes or no there'll be like yes obviously i know working out is worth it but here's the thing i don't if you don't know if you don't like like having good credit for example so i never dutt taught like why really my mom said yeah you should have good credit that's it that's the limit to late education on credit for of course a blow it because they get you know a fall for literally all the tricks if selfinflicted and other wet critics jammed so ago so i don't know i don't know the value i don't know i have never experienced the benefits of having good i don't know the value of the credit so really didn't mean much to me really my credit was like junk and i didn't care until i got denied for something then a cared you know but just like if you never into working out until you're in a specific the ian what show that but but like this guy that's asking this question and god is asked the question them i am not from sean a much on a come off all hard um but he realizes he realizes the value of discipline because he saying that he wants it right he knows that it's going to make his life better yeah and and and that's why i think he he's gotten jammed up in whatever way we don't know 'cause i'll gnome maybe he's gotten unhealthy maybe he's you know who knows bbs gotten his finances jammed up would it wherever the case may be he knows that discipline is better for them him he knows that he does know this isn't a guy that does know yet because sure there's people that don't you know when you're sixteen years old you don't know the value of discipline you'll know that the what you're at the way racking renounce can affect you in five years you'll know if you can set yourself utilize whole life up to be pretty awesome yeah you don't know that yet you're just like worried about where you're going on a friday night eight height so this guy no worse and he wants it and he's looking for where he can find it in where he can find it is in the mirror yeah that's where it is you to do at brother good luck get on the path and stay on the path yeah and that's going to be beneficial when you do the harshly maintaining net like not knowing the values a big is the big thing is kind of like okay so back to my credit thing it it there is a point at the end where okay so um you know like i don't know ten years ago whatever i repaired my credit at my credit was repairing a i went through was painstaking not fun stuff but i did it gummy credit repaired an now i know the value because as an adult i'm functioning it youthful now you know so now i know the value of having the credit because of been through all things that having good credit brings you through now i'm thinking i'll never go back to bed cartwright never it's worth it every single day i'm telling you that that i agree with what you're saying yeah i agree with reducing i'm saying that this guy knows the value that's why he wants it yeah it's like when you free realize that you got denied for something and you'll let ovau credit has value i understand that julia something happened in his life use at discipline has value i know that now but you did credit repair and in what you said was okay i need to gotten repair my credit you didn't say hey you know what my mom didn't tell me about bad credit now i have bad credit yeah yeah so now you're now what am i supposed to do uh you know who repaired your credit who repaired your credit well it was a combination of my wife and i but yoga but who repaired you did it yeah we this stuff you took responsibility for it and said okay i'm to get my credit green you talk to your wife could she smarter that you yes he was hike hey i will i will help this but it was you that said okay i got to get this fixed and you got help but you knew to reach out for help but you're the one that ultimately is responsible for yeah you're right about that like i didn't like i didn't blame my parents and then continue hacking bet credit rhino writes liked them said no i got to get the fao this this thing has credit has value i need to fix it yeah and you fixed it yeah regardless working regardless so what will vote would you know oh you don't know how to work out guven ugo wire personal trainer 'cause you know it's going to it's the right thing to do you don't have been oh you don't know how to repair your finances cool go get accounts or that's going to help you repair your finances oh you're addicted to drugs or alcohol okay i'm going to go find accounts or join a groups i can get through that thing you no one's going to hold your hand and bring you ended any those situations you got to do it yourself gather discipline to make it happen yeah good uh number 7 good morning did you find that people in the military mok those that emphasize the importance of good leadership who take leading and our responsibility seriously what does that mean mocking like the big fan of eu leah like what people in the military making making fun of you because you take leadership super seriously all ya the elephant is a late scout this is an interesting question so it makes me a little bit nervous because my suspicion is that this individual might be going about being a good leader the wrong way and if you go about it the wrong way people can take offence to it if you're the guy that goes around telling everyone that you are leader and you're trying to be great leader people will take offence net because you can't make that part of your thing right people that talk about the importance of good leadership the come across as implying that they are good leader and and that can be offensive especially if you aren't quite as good of a leader as you think you are she run around like you understand how important leadership is and about that savior right there in understanding forms of leadership echo all of a sudden on basically tony look i'm a good leader and you're not when the reality is just the way i'm talking proves that i'm not a good leader a as i'm talking down to you so we have a problem right there and also if if you take leading and our leading responsibility seriously what does that actually mean does that mean that you can't have any fun with your team does that mean you can't laugh at yourself when you've made a mistake does that mean that you are trying so hard to give off the impression that you are a great leader that it appears to everyone else that you aren't really who you act like in that your character is is disingenuous right if i'm if i'm constantly trying to put up this front that i'm the great leader everyone starts look at me think an that guy's not even is not that's not the real him uh his china rock around like a like a he's not true right you'd you'd think whether you're trying to build trust in as a leader we we are trying to build trust we talked dick winners talk about honesty being the most one the most important traits of uh of a leader but if we're putting up a facade and how we act that does not come across as honest and that doesn't build trust in fact it build the opposite and also if if if you have to put up a leadership front if you have to put up a leadership front if it in other words if sometimes you have to act a certain way fate get going back to something earlier he if you have to act and fake like a leader that means you might be you might be insecure about your leadership capability and you will come across his insecure and people consents that insecurity so that can be very problematic also if you're so into being a good leader that probably means that you have issues giving up the reigns that means that you are probably micromanaging because you want to be leader you want to prove to everyone that you're a good leader and so you start micromanaging and no one wants to fall will micromanager they don't want to do that and if you add all these things together what what what do people end up doing the end up mocking you they end up mocking the things that you think are important like leadership that south they start to make fun of it it's a man the it's like the needle i think his name is needle meyer in animal house is is the right name anand i've a connor i'm doing a move referee ion with iin as his messed up all i can give you the john belushi that yeah so there's eats like the leader the the rotc guy yeah he's yet like mr leader on huh and everyone makes fun of him yeah he's trying to be a great leader he's trying to be the authoritative figure everyone is making fun of him so you have to be careful in this case i would recommend you move to the center a little bit more meaning that on the one hand you have a leader that isn't building relationship isn't building trust expects people to do as they are told an and treat treat that leader with respect even though they have a nerd that's not a good leader on the other hand you have leaders that are to close with the troops has very personal relationships too personal relationships with the team it has lost any semblance of a forty over the teams of is your two extremes you wanna be balanced in the middle you want to build relationships will be people you want to build your team up in also foreseeing leadership on people does not work any more than forcing a religion or a diet or a workout or a political brie belief system an can you make someone from him from the leadership perspective if you have a forty over other people can you make someone bow down to your programme mechanically for a little while yeah you can you can but if it's not from them if they are not part of it wilfully it's not going work over time so you know don't beat people up verbally with your leadership lessons don't make it you're external religion that you are forcing on people internally yes of course obviously ma i always thought about leadership i always thought about leadership pat wasn't barking it at home i don't even think i don't even think like my the best the people that taught me the boast about leadership they never said the word to be upheld leadership right and i'm not saying that that's the best course of action because because sometimes it is good to you know poulsen someone aside and say hey this is the way act and right now from your troops in that that's not going to be effective sometimes that is good especially once you've built the relationship of i don't ever relationship with you echo when i say haiti to talk to you hit the way junior guys recognizing her to go over very well with him what's your reaction gonna be you'll be pest you you feel you don't know my guys i know the better the unit we're gonna have a problem i'd be a die compost nothing my coaching in mentoring of you was horrible because we did have a relationship so sure you're not listening and obviously of course when i start coaching in mentoring implies that i'm the greatest leader of all time that's my that vmi my implied statement new sock on great which people reject that as well especially when you're not that great of a leader in the first place so don't talk about it so much just lied be a good leader open up discussions take arapoff come from the flank instead of going straight on maneuver tactically and tactfully get into their heads and make better leaders by actually leading yes can like that lien a lead by example can thing it kinda makes you like the question kind of how you said of the beginning it makes you wonder he says the question is defined the people in the military mok those that emphasize the importance of good leadership you kinda think to yourself i wonder how this person is emphasizing the importance of good is he the guy at the party who you know people are talking about on another the food or something then he just bus a leadership stuff fetal that guy who's like everything on elect rotc gut feeling go to see got just everything he's just pushing it every day in a leadership is everything leaves of the bright we weren't even talk about that leadership is everything kind of any by the way work this is coming from a person me that i literally talk about leadership al at times iit eisley listening yeah and and i actually think that way and i i get up on stage and in companies and in front of military members and police officers in it i talk about leadership that's what i talk about all done yeah and that's what you know what's interesting that's what makes aboutface by curl david hackworth the one of the best things about that book because it's not a leadership book he doesn't just talk he barely talks about he barely says a straightforward sentences use it this is how you lead it's all from the flank and that's why it gets you so well uh because it's from the flank yeah it's not a book about leadership does he would say you know how many books get public publish all the time you know that visit leadership book i wrote a book with life how to lead in win hackworth did it better hackworth like oh this is about war read it yes yes in a way uh the ideally seen but obviously that's your jobs well i guess my point is that if you're if this is coming from someone who talks about leadership all the time literally wrote a book about leadership and i'm saying hey you might not wanna talk don't let us online at is my point freiha that's my point yeah good point just just just back off a little bit yes so if you're like you know you go on the road you do when a year you know you're deals and then you know at dinner with your family you start going into your leadership stuff with this that's what you should it q yes yes but i'm on i'm saying is with your team with your platoon tune you don't sit there and say all right today we're gonna talk about leadership again yeah you don't quote unquote emphasize the importance of good leadership right you demonstrate it yes leed yeah his do that they're smarter than you think they're you know what your undoing all as you dear kinda condescending noon to can help it you're treating them like they don't know you wanna talk about the importance which if they know what the importance leaders learn the military yeah in fact in example of their reaction of how people take it when you start preaching to them know how they take it they mock you sets a lesson learned that's a lesson learnt if people are mocking you they're not taking you seriously that means you're doing something wrong what you're doing wrong in this case is your condescendingly talking to them about the importance of leadership they know what the importance of leadership is there in the military they know how bad it is to have a bad platoon sergeant or bad platoon a platoon commander they know you'll need rub it in their face you remember i think i told you the story about one of my friends nicknames name because of thirteen you know you navy feel we're at a party in he got he got joe and he's sitting at the table explaining to all of us how bad asked navy seals are ya like for a long time new visas and he even said those were navy lose just so bad ask like we're so that after this is why all this stuff if the exact same thing because we know needs feels about us but you sitting here telling us how that ask you in all navy seals are is going to make us makia they're going to get mox the iron a little bit earlier ally navient mocked by other may be sealed by though at version or do enough stuff feeling check well i'm glad that this guy is asking the question i'm glad that the guy is focused on leadership and i hope that these points can come across and be digested with no um you know there's really easy to get offended by what i'm saying right if you're him it which doesn't get it you know what i mean it's really easy to say that is to resume yield roaches rooms age isn't always talking about on the one that your i'm trying to get these guys to be better utilised i'm trying to get my platoon understand ports of leadership i know man i know one i i respect that like the fact that you're have that mind and that's all through that's awesome uh that's awesome come from the for like a little bit from the flak when you're not going to you're not gonna do not going to get that get it done this way you it's kind of like if you try to convince everyone that you're the most humble person in the world and you know that nobody more humble in media on the most humble i'm humbler than that guy i'm humbly the new homeless than anyone who who've ever lift just most humble and world just doesn't work linda lentils order ex question dhaka how do you lead a team of volunteers how to punish or discipline them can't threatened to fire them because they're all i have i know leader does so much more than threatening punish but a need some guidance tried a motive try to motivate but feel the need to do more thanked china answers were quickly once because this is kind of a cost of answer before two different form um do they understand why they're doing what they're doing and do they understand why it's important do the understand how what they are doing will benefit them do they also see you working hard to try and make things happen so those are those of this the basic questions let's just get those out there every time every time someone is not doing what you want them to do do they understand why they're doing what they're doing do they understand why it's important to the mission of do they understand how being successful in the mission will benefit them so so let's just get those on the way next what can we do here have you game of fide the situation at all how you like that keane gamified right have you gamified the situation because i i realize that the term it's getting thrown around now but we would gamified stupid things all the time in the seal team's to make them fun new right how much braskin you pick up let's see i'll pick up more than you might squad to pick a more brass and you'll pick up olds unrun round the rain sharp pickup brass one of the most miserable things that you have to do this heelpieces pickup brass off thought reigns in the summertime mmhmm and you do it for for like two days because once you get done with all your work you gotta go up millions of rounds of brass spread out all over the desert in in august in the imperial valley it's hot it's sox but guess what we're gonna do have a contest india's a what are you gonna do to game a fight uh look what kinda cool competition around some shortterm goal can you set up that's going to be as gonna make it fun for them some kinda cool reward what about some kind of friendly bets around achieving something like i bet if i raised this much money you know i will go to work with a pair of underwear on my head or you after you know what i mean whatever is stupid bats you know what we used in the team's is we'd bet one dollar what am i will run inmates we we we had something like critical i bet you one dollar yeah that was like the biggest bet you could make because it's just it's pre europride suryono and then we'd we'd always have fun if you were collecting or if you're giving the dollar collecting the hour was just totally glorious yeah giving the dollar was shame the eddie so yeah like you could add like okay when you give me this dollar aid asked me in front of everybody v you have to add own all you have to do it while like walking in and younis some something real kathy meaning that yet but we didn't even have to do all that yeah hi foods with undisguised emi running mate if we won or lost the bet and as light but a loser you know in in you wouldn't even ask for the money you just look at it this by tonight he had more than most classic looks when he gave you the look when i lose about too many gave me the look i i i wanted to cry yeah yeah yeah he lost some yet more than that dea loss so maybe make a bet for dollar and if that's not working okay now that's not work if you can't game afife you can have fun with it maybe ask them while there why they are there in figure out what their motivation is for being there and how you can tie that in something concrete and then also though look you might have some people at her are really into this um and then lower your expectations of this particular group of people gog recruits of people i wanna get after it mm makes sense there have some fun fawn goes a long way yoga fun goes a long way for having a fond doing things goes a long way and the end that praise thing to you know when you should like add like a reward or something for because a lot especially volunteers were so you know uh we all feel this like even at at work you can have like a superfund job but you get you these two people generally speaking tend to get complacent in one way or another you know when things are routine or things are not as exciting or whatever um and you know when you're volunteering in that happens it's kinda like you not tied there by a paycheck really you know which is just is just a powerful ty you know that people have to work it's like addle in my job but it's peace bills and paying the bill the big deal kathy so if you add that element of excitement are fun or you know little personal payoff in one way or another at think that helps a lot of the time indeed and that tens tap into if the if the liam nothing this person is doing this are not doing this but like if they become kinda complacent in not recognizing how much they they they appreciate the volunteers you know like if they're just like oh yeah this does business as usual it'll ever coming in that's kind of it kind of being in the you know then he just gets kind of kind of blah you know like only the not the pay off that they used to have you know but had fallen kinda keep that going keep them in the game next bush do i need to keep training gg two if i hate it i mean kennedy just live my life the way i think it should be which is of health energy and become becoming a force of nature as a doctor without dreaming upload some invisible enemies on the street that have yet to come across in preparing in spending my pittance of wage of a wage on lessons that i hate in every sorts of ways for something that might be avoided physical clash if i learnt tease wit in saving my money to move into a good neighbourhood and i've been successful in preventing physical clashes to occur i've learnt basic ways to escape the mount i can run i'm fairly strong isn't that enough okay so iaea boro um jittery was not the meaning of life all right it's huge it too has a lot of i mean i find digits you very enjoyable i get a lot out of it beyond physical training beyond selfdefence yeah i get a lot out of it and i apply in all different sorts of realms in my life uh but if you hate it an and you've learned some basic ways to defend yourself the give skate the mount may be some basic guards type stuff then then okay i mean than step away you shouldn't be going through life doing something that you hate i for each hour you i'd still train occasionally even if it's just like once every two or three weeks once a month just to keep some of the ideas fresh and also also there's always the possibility that a quick in your head and you'll realize this there's like a magical thing that you could get out of the gia to um and it's of like waking up until waking up at four thirty in the morning that that's the time i wake up in in for its will on genetically predisposed to sleep less than most people and for instance we just had daylight savings time and you and so and i went to bed so i sat back my clock than it was it was like nine forty at night to went from 1040 when i was going to bed a setback my clock and now it's 940 a at us at all korean alseep extra hour we know what time i woke up like true 48 me a and then i i laid in bed saying no sleep more sleep more sleep mark can do it so i got about threethirty but that's that's me and in and that's that's just me and it depends what your schedule is it depends on what your genetic makeup is for sleep and if you work the night shift and obviously you're working at four thirty in the morning or you're getting off at were of work at 430 morning so this doesn't work in i try and put that caveat on pretty much everything that i say like my workouts but what i eat um everyone's a little bit different and i like what i like and and i do what i do and it worked for me and you can try it then if you come up with something that's better i'll listened to you um and that's the same with digits your man if you hate it then you know maybe it's not for you and in end you know what i would i truly think might my true fought is it beneficial for you yes it is should you stop doing everything that you don't like just because you don't like it no i mean there's some things you should press on should you get it should ever have a fundamental level of knowledge of jit suit it's very very beneficial uh but if you hated in and you've kinda come not conclusion then don't do it yeah in in in i think also once you give yourself that out once you give yourself the out in you not forcing yourself to do anymore you it might open up your mind to actually enjoy and try it and not be miserable about it yes yeah that's will actually would have see none of the this is they're probably and i don't know easily this some people don't like it straight up my gotta accept that i know i know but that being said there is a possibility that the environment that this first or that people train in sometimes will make you not like it and if not necessarily the jatiya don't like sure not eat wound up that way you don't like you to any more because you're kind of new pushed in the wrong direction as far as like what you the liking though like so you could try different school try difference try different story after like i said earlier today some schools are really strict and rigid and maybe that's booed be better for you some schools are real wild and there's no control maybe that that be a better school depending on what your personality as some people like that regiment environment yeah yeah you can you could definitely try different school uh but again i think i think the mental hurdle to come over is you've told yourself that you have to do it and now tell yourself you don't have to do should of water but certain in any see trader in school it it's the environment the train in sold the schools by the environment for sure but it's like training partners it's like the which can wind up as the pressure you put in yourself it's like everything you know the whole environment so i know that and people are different people took some people they want that pressure they want people yelling you don't like rim race to tell you like when you start coaching either media won't just in training not like you'll get fired out when you see to training whatever and you'll be like do this in you'll start kotan it's almost like you're like as a friend you're doing it like just for fun and you're like okay do this in you usually coach up the other guy when i'm rolling with them and that other guy oh he's getting coach way jackal so he turns up the heating and bro i don't like that because it's now it's like a thing and i know you don't i don't like that at all but some people do like that people they'd get some fired up get some more in the game you know thirty two m saint people were different so the possibility is that this guy happens to be in the wrong environment footage it to free for hip for to for himself yes exactly i saw as a possibility and just like i said you know he he could very well be pudding that pressure on himself like you have to go and everyone thing how great it is and as the best thing and if you don't show up to practice your lack near lame or get under that's true like if you get told all the time it's the best thing in the world and and then you show up there and you get beat up which is what happiness in need in yet and now you're you're how does everyone like this yeah this doesn't feel good to me and use gona negative mindset ready sei should be careful that and that's not to mention when you even imply that you don't necessarily like it old europe could you suck oh yeah because the year this or your week or you're whatever you're a slacker like basically all this negativity you know is gonna turn you off even more so now yeah you hate it now which which there is a read the reality of it is some some things don't agree with some people right that's that's a that reality like there's that some things i in don't the world i i know i i just don't like them like when we are driving to la your plains of music you some of the music that you're playing as is popular music i i just don't like it i just don't like and and there's other things like that in the world uh trying to think of things that i just just like other people like them and i just don't like them i just don't poke eamonn go that's one the out early i mean i don't i never even thought about pogue mogo seems like a cool idea you've got you look for things on your phone i mean i'm not that's not the type of thing that i'm talking about um you know i guess dancing at the club i mean m i don't care bomb trying to think of something that some i guess music is the best is one of the best examples for me is is you know i hate the certain types of music certain artists leif lately flakes hair lay flights hair medal from the nineveh he he legit likes there and and i i like legit do not like it and the reason i use the reason that's a good example is because that's not far off from kind of the music that i do like a i mean i like i like led zeppelin i mean i love led zeppelin right led zeppelin is awesome an and the step from led zeppelin two two two poison i mean you could you they could be in the same record category in the store right rock and roll led zeppelin i love you i poison kinda turns my stomach i i hate to end so that is an example of so some things that just don't sit well with you yeah and and may be jit's who doesn't sit well with this guy now um like i said i think there's a lot of benefits to it i think he is a lot out of it try different environment but if you hate it don't may force yourself to do it open open the escape give yourself out and that allows you to feel more comfortable can you feel trapped everyone feels like a cornered animal and in our you're just pissed off yeah you even be viewed in like hey these guys everyone i heard someone talking about you too so i'm gonna try it yeah and now you first day you don't like it for years i i'm going to keep doing it because that ruined saint it's great and you just end up in a bad way yeah so be careful that one yet you can a trapped with the with the junk parts of it that that kind of came about in yet and you can't release keep it the newly rebel against it if jack a member when we're driving up to la i was claim kerry by europe that is actually technically 80s hair metal gear eds an easier for sure but you're really mad yeah yeah gnome tony that music doesn't sit well with me for some reason you got little bdnf comeback to lay flicked lay flakes metallica leif like spikes sabbath lay flakes tool he likes rocking bands too yeah for some reason there's some genetic code in his head that poisons cool yeah just let that right in hot denying gets the and whole yet but then i guess on the other end of the spectrum you get the we get into music that leif and white likely flex pant tara pant ariza hard banned now i go one step further than pandera writer in similar to some of the music that i listen to him uh which i think leaves leif a little bit where he wouldn't listen to some of the harder music that i was new but painters you know brushing up against it he di listened to soft music tomorrow do you consider soft news as some samano something about love songs out another you know le let something soft teen on mc i'd say white buffalo white below okay is hard acoustic music but the you know he's got some pretty mellow songs he got a song called love song number one woods did about though like is it is it like romantic he does he talked out his low eliza girl or something like that i would say yes yeah canada the count 'cause you know like well how can that knockout otto no because you know how like that like uh metallica for example they have unforgiven right so it sounds softer but they're still talking about hard stuff and k and then they have like enter sanmen which is okay will and i guess i'm does not know my answer to use know look alike do you like what about led zeppelin by it won't thieves still talking about like these are soft things like you know soft lane algebra remember member algiere ill and you like what the all day if the european fewer mad at me personally like you and you're like who is this an another you know what though actually i played another song uh who was it he's a josh read in or something in your like hey this is pretty good i was very surprised it was a soft song hooker do you remember that's won't my musical tastes are varied yeah i different types of visa yes so i guess others aum's ives him he's a good at don't like yeah i sometimes wonder with you like it if you're the canyon hossam people they they just just i like music not i'm not thing me i'm just saying certain people they are into justice specific type of music that they're that's the whole reason for music in their head is like this very specific feeling like some people the um that a note before the only like housemusic the like anything other than al's music this is like it's just the old brother listen to nothing i wondering if you're like kind of that kind nowhere because i listen all different kinds of music yeah well at least does not maybe not all different yet at okay you're right i listen to a wide feerick various types sure are you though not alger although i forget the song but it was eager for back to it later thursday all right next question oba from tang and if of edf the guy who hates due to that's kind of crazy it's a bummer but it's it's not that rare yet makes sense it totally makes in us as actually talking with dave kimmeria sure i know who that he that he owns um i was up with him up in san francisco area yesterday and we are talking about how some people don't like gypsy high via the in you'd think even people that are you would think would like to to people that have jobs that dude it to would be really beneficial for them to know you they don't buy tickets and so and i was saying that i've introduced a lot of people to jit to a lot of people to jitsuo not many of them have actually stuck with it for a long period of time yeah but and and so it's not that rare for people to not like jitsuo yet in a a dig it's like not sticking with because you did sticks work it's not like the easy thing the provides discipline oh you're sized difference between not liking to to a not actually sticking with it yes yes tho those guys straight up i hate it the i thought of as a little bit more powerful vip treatment area yeah it's like deafening doesn't like people who don't stick with it for the most part this just a total gas on my prayer leading lacked discipline yeah like there there is they they they don't like it enough anand on account of momenttomoment basis take to get off the couch and go that's kind it journal with one of those situations the question jaakko of question after reading your book which i thought was one of the best books i've read since your last book thanks i'm curious what what you did during your seal team dis to maintain your your schedule as i would imagine in the teams your schedule changes at any minute to include you being deployed were active during your various missions that night so as in life how do you keep your balance of your schedule when do calls in your book you see keep your schedule but how did you work through this when you would be on a mission that didn't allow you to sleep at night did you still did you still the following day upon return maintain your normal schedule sponsored yeah obviously the teams that your schedule in the teams can vary a lot and you have to adopt to what makes sense and sometimes in the team's work 1820 our day sometimes out the field you're going to the field for two three four five days at a time sometimes you're working for 24 hours a day or you work for thirty six hours straight because you do planning in the bubble wassot that could be rama sometimes you're doing dives you're doing to dives a day and that takes a bunch of time and it takes a toll on you it's hard work i guess you could say um sometimes were running around all day or all night running around the desert running around the urban training facility and so the schedules changing all the time and it's the same thing with business the same thing with business right now i travel on the flight these early the fight leaves later work all day or the dinner with a clients or the interviewer the writing of the the recording of the podcast or the changing times on some things change answer what what i do is yes i try and i try and keep the schedules marched i can and if i fall off the schedule for whatever reason i get back all on it as quickly as possible and i think so so yes you do the best you can i think the main thing you have to watch out for is leading leading a change in schedule or a problem in your schedule beat excuse to fall off the path that that's what you have to watch out for um you know we think oh new times owner i've got jet lag right in sleep well or i need rest from travelling or i did this the other night and so i'm going to sleep until nine thirty tomorrow morning and just call it good real that's what you have to watch out for not sometimes you need to work to ninth disley till nine thirty dow sometimes you do sometimes you stayed up for thirty six hours you go to bed at three o'clock in the morning guess what you might need to sleep until nine thirty that's cool good f do it get some sleep um but just be careful of using it as an excuse to go away off the path and just get yourself back on the path as soon as possible makes sense yes sir yes that's all me right there like one little thing if he had they'll throw the obvious all day is gone i'll do tomorrow please got a careful not uh speaking to schedule i think we're about good for questions there's one more thing that i wanted to close out with and you know i get a lot of i got a lot of really a great emails i will get a lotta great uh messages through social media letters written letters again all those kinds of things and i appreciate them all i don't always respond all of them because there's i physically cannot do it yeah and of course you know oh get someone to manager social media whatever not doing that uh if you hear back from me you hear from me not from somebody that i paid ten dollars an hour to respond to my stuff in say cool get after it like no god not doing that but you know i get i get all these things and i i do read them so if you send it i read it and so i appreciate the feedback and everything i got one though that i that was good i wanted to actually one to read on here because i felt that it not only said hey thanks for you know the podcast or whatever thanks for the books whatever it actually give some pretty good methodology and really an insight into a mindset that i think will help people doing what they're doing so here we go mr willockx just wanted to share a quick story with you at thirty nine i had fallen into a 15year rot of undisciplined alcoholism i was soft and heavy and wanted to change earlier this year i started working out three to four times a week in my basement i was trying and failing to get a handle on my alcohol abuse every failure made the beast seem bigger an unbeatable it was like i didn't have control over my body i finished your book on a monday night and decided that i would get up early the next morning workout i got up and worked out not much but i just wanted to do something sit ups push ups fifteen minutes on the bike worked out twice tuesday got up wednesday and did it again got to thursday night a normal drinking night and decided to try not drinking made it through friday same thing worked out morning in night stayed busy and stayed away from the drink fought i should try and push it through the weekend worked out saturday morning took the rest of the weekend often stay dry monday morning i got up and started two days again made it through the week with eleven workouts by the second week i felt better than i had in my entire life i was astounded that normal people walked around feeling this good i guess not systematically poisoning your body will do that on the fifth week i got a project at work there was going to require traveling for the next eight weeks i was worried about overcoming my triggers and road habits but normal travelling evening was dinner watch cable and drink eight beers to my surprise the hotel at a sweet jim cool i'll just keep doing what i'm doing then at the site i found out that were we would start work at six a m damn that means i have to get up at four to work out i'm twelve weeks into my travelling to a days usually getting eleven to twelve workouts a week they recently moved or start time to seven am so now i get an hour and a half in the morning and evening i'm 16 weeks clean dropped thirty pounds or more haven't been on a scale in three weeks thirtyfour waste genes hang off of me by sit up and pushed upsets when from ten to forty to fifty keto bell swings went from 35 by ten to fifty by fifteen i started to learn how to run as a haven't done in twenty years now after a day off i can do to miles without stopping i do four or five miles on the treadmill and nine miles on the bike besides the sit ups push ups cattle bells core and weights i look forward to next year's competitive shooting season i'm going to bring it at this point my cravings are gone and i actually recoil from the smell of boos when i started this i thought it would be temporary now it's going to be permanent no reason to waste time with it anymore now when i question something your voice comes to me with the hard answer it's only black and white with no gray area one day when i'm standing before the lord lord and hear his voice if it doesn't sound like yours i might be disappointed the book i read those months ago was a way of the warrior kid i'm working on extreme ownership now thank you for your service thank you for producing a bad asked podcast and thank you for influencing my life so there you go and i i say this to people all the time most important here is it isn't me it's u n sure you may have grabs some little foothold from the podcast her from one of the books but it isn't me that changes you you you set the small goals you achieve those goals then set some more and achieve those and set some more goals may be a little bit bigger but not that much bigger you pay attention to the progress this guy is 16 weeks deep thirty pounds lighter working harbor stronger faster more efficient competitive the individual that wrote that is getting after it and changing his life and you can too to star start small start with changing tomorrow morning just tomorrow morning get that squared away and then move on to the next day and the next in move your life to a better place one little step one little victory at a time appreciate the letter in i think debts all of got four tonight so echo speaking of people getting better stronger in faster and actually supporting the podcast if they wanna do that sir do you have any suggestions for us sure of course they do i can talk about the fact that four gin as a new key coming up good on i don't know that the name of the game ghiz have names legba origin does day acharya yep yep yep that's cool name to buy of axiom but this one is called i think dis discipline i think it's called dissovling would be called discipline yeah not the discipline distrust this discipline that could be called up sure you can check it out origin made dot com right yeah surprisingly aesthetically great i would say it's i would say it's probably is the term the use like on brand on his brand meaning is it kind of fit fit sits year brand okay sure unfilled say it does that ijaw via the ad 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not always going to be easy what i'm saying i know what you're saying yeah every day man this is not a one day gig this is an everyday every day is a monday via on the path here's the i will say this though okay so and you you read the letter for the guy with with drinking i dipped i could relate to that deeply deeply could relate to that end in a way an ad on good too deep into it but in a way that my situation was in a way harder because the drinking wasn't prevented me from working out it will it prevented me from doing like a lot of stuff it was only prevented me from doing like a handful of things but those things are really wanted to do but it was really preventing me early it was put it this way it was making it super difficult and then just the fact of like drinking every single day you know anything and the more you you know how you the more you get in the routine it on some it with them in the heart the harder it is to destroy a break that routine especially when it provides the path is like drinking does chemically emmy nierlich when you drink the instantaneous iaf exactly right longterm payoff no longterm negative like not even proportionately more beneficial to to to stop drinking like you know when he said um while this is how everyday people walk around yeah good role ian really i felt that statement grit that so true that's exactly what i thought tang noone ridge trick in these feed jock who doesn't drink creates a no wanted chuckles doing all this stuff i could i could do all that stuff too that's how you feel nothing i'm doing all the stuff i'm just saying that the feeling like i could dig it anyway point is when you're on this path it's not always easy but psychological warfare is there to get you through those difficult parts parts that you admit or the candidate mit the need maybe a little little push little help little spot we can up early procrastinating that the begin skipping the workout that kind of stuff psychological warfare kit so there's a trap for every little weakness he might encounter skipping the diet or or or slacking on the diet that the good on um but yeah checked out one out and uh you know he would up good way to support yourself in your on the path when you're on the path and with puk as well also you can get some choco white t which tastes like victory and will make you feel really good you get that on amazon the books way the warrior kid number one which which is covered obviously it is not just a book for kids you uncle jake has something to teach all of us myself included through dolts and teenagers and anyone else that wants to have a better life can add some new book we're the work you which in a i'm on a cycle i just read it over and over again like as just like a routine to daughter yes four and a half the she can't wait read yet um but the ltte there's little things in there that it's like this is really good that these kids are getting this this message because this stuff that as an adult you're like dang and never really even though you know it like okay in this is what it is when you're like how do you expect to be good at something if you don't practice like little laws guess rail kids don't know that they don't they straight up don't yell and gutting practice i feel like a we kind of forget that in a way no we absolutely do yeah so yeah the is is for sure there's a lot in that book and sometimes i read that book and i and anders even more in their deny even recognised iin india because i not the lessons that are coming out of my head there so important though like beyond my own comprehension yet and i was just explaining the book where the warrior kid to which is going to come out and i was i was talking through a with a guy yesterday like what what it's about and as an explaining everything that it's about is a lot of stuff it's a lot of really important lessons schiff um but yet started wade were your kid uh the second warrior kit book will be out april twenty eight th two thousand eighteen actually speaking of books there is extreme ownership a new addition a new addition is out it's not a totally new book it's a new addition of it it's going to be available november 21st you can get it for preorder right now on amazon if you want it um it's got a new forward in too salesian i wrote a new ford it has some colour pictures in it um also the the new cover is black which aims to cover from white to black why because block obviously amazon barnes and noble you can get it out walmart by the way target the publisher ship it out the everywhere so you can pick it up it's a good book to give to people in my opinion it's it's it's not just like giving someone a book you're giving them something a little bit more than a book absent the sat like something a little bit more in the book is i don't know if i can i can explain it to well right now look at it yes yang can look at in it's it's not normal i would say it's not normal um if you want the audio 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Brendan discussed on WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 858 - Lizzy Goodman / Dana Gould
"Y you know and i are you going to have your on tv show i'm going to be rich no not anymore still have to go out you ask me in minneapolis and do a weekend uh but on that but i am on executives over tv show yeah i know is no actually no but you should plug your the mc's comedy special goes he didn't get one earlier all you'll have a commie i have many of them you of another what what i found what must have you feel about this moment where like i did the comedy stars would netflixing was good i was glad that i got the opportunity sure yeah but then you hear about like you know sign fokker's rock and louis this is like the ah they just gave jerry seinfeld half a billion dollars thank god because we need who was learning it's not i'm not even jealous but it's sort of like give me like a maybe maybe like five percent yeah yeah i'm not complaining but if you're throwing money away yeah exactly i'll take a little no i was a you know i they were it was one of those things where i was going to tapered and then i was gonna do it with the company that i did my last russia with and then there were the dates were confused and then there were like well we can only do it on this date and i was getting ready to go into production on season two of the show and i you know you can feel the material right inning and reaching pugh tressens sure and you feel like dying yeah exactly and i was i was looking at some nick i was looking at a new products that list as they go i really wanted to get it down ago and i have a really great agent at william morris them silvio lund who's really a terrific guy and he goes let's just do novel and he called up this record company in damn nailed it and and get it in and i do find the audio lives longer than the video so people listened comedy on the radio they listen to comedy on their phone i it's rare that they will sit down and watch a special again that's true that's true i l walsh asif yeah yeah exactly but all listen to especially again all this shit you always in the comedy records i've heard before i listen to because because now uh you know you have that done than you're getting ready to go back on the road and yet you've got to frantically get new shit guinness shit yeah i mean i i'm not i don't believe it has to be one hundred percent new but it should be you really not believe that or you just tell you i really i know i really do but uh i'm i'm much lower than the percentage that it should be i think people want to hear one or two hundred families that you know like i i dunno i got the idaho 'cause i think you and are similar in that in that whoever's judging that whoever saying i this year from the record whoever saying that usually we make them up and you out now there are no there are a couple of those is ideal hit that twenty percent of the suv his new wave that why do we listen to that guy because he's the guy that hates us as much as we do he sees this is already just the way we are with a little disappointed with this was never the almost you'll has got it but not quite right but i i you know i probably saw george karlin i don't know a dozen times my life and i would always love it when there was a oh well he's going to do baseball and football great disease and you go this is great listen to this i sure i i listen i like hearing beats like he because this museum it is a form of music digitally form of music when you know like i hear who i can was due over and over again if it comes up in 'cause i got the shuffle gone on ma if schimmel comes up and mike because like the ear was such a master of this very specific type of timing kind of like morose jewish he you know who it's it's the disease descended joan roma jackie veronica yep that good good poll well he told me although yeah and you know who else was heavily influenced by jackie vernon let me guess who stephen wright sure that makes a lot of ads yeah i love jackie vern yeah jackie o'brien was amazing scr i saw he was the guy i saw my parents took museum when i was like eleven oh my god where that's what change to me because i saw him on tv do the slide show and then he came to albuquerque and i saw it in the paper at out in albuquerque was a lounge in the hilton hotel phantom my parents took me that's fist of it and that was what i was like that's when i knew it whenever you but what if he opened bush and soon turkomans should they would have been fine but what we were close enough just to see like you know he's a hold and he's like you saw all of it is in this and that it was not afraid i was like this is still good i have this conversation with somebody is really really interesting is talking about how much i love rickles yeah and i was talking to a a younger com we'll they're all younger and owes quoting some rousseau stuff and this goes help us us laura his own because he so unworkable because it has nothing to do with that yes all music i love the ud in the rhythm of the music and i remember seeing him sometimes he said things that didn't even make sense but because no i will give you a beautiful example i was with your friend and mine rob cohen at the desert in and they had just had a giant renovation of the desert in and it was sweltering in the show room when he goes out a forty milliondollar renovation they get a great airconditioning system two facts on the roof of the peace looseleaf paper glenn doesn't mean a gut dim thing he could have said tortoises zeroed onesyllable i tell you and could as a bear as you know i'm not laughing because i am straight and therefore i'm exerting my heterosexual privilege via in a derogatory way no eases thought of that of that part of that of that and that's what i have yet but the weird thing is we give you isn't something like schimmel who is usually the victim of his own joke yes in his life had the life of fucking job yeah and then the political whatever's politically incorrect about it itself offering a software threat and then i don't like he is the victim of every jew every joke has a victim and symbols act it was him yet in something somehow that can elevate ivan i agree i agree yeah i don't know if i have these discussions but like i for some reason i'm just able the separate i i don't know that you know revisionism is necessary just because times change in terms of what you you you feel personally attached to her what you like i don't i don't odds visa will difficult but but i can says it already owned for me i can still you know i don't do we delete all that stuff do we delete are emotional connection to right i i don't see how that's possible tackle and it's like when we damn my have hitler's paintings i have to separate you have that book on i have the coffee table excuse called raspberry lauda angles lot of hard angles not a lot of people but a lot of beautiful buildings oh i used to joke about that it's like well you know hitler was vegetarian but but yeah there's an i think i also in a lot of it is just being the soldier nostalgia for being too beating a kid a like watching rickles on the dean martin roast and every but it's a totally different school of show business than new and i grew up with golfway told me the story that when he worked with reckles rickles would would just roast him all day uh and then afterwards a poolside now you set a small lead money the eu is a very carrying well that lowvolume that's where my grandmother said she go see him in vegas and he has yet on everybody but he too she's she put it like this he apologizes very nicely renault but the only thing with bob did he couldn't understand is that that he wore jeans onstage right easily bob you can't you have to get the dress nice addressed and that's the general that's the thing that broke for that generation like these kids they they would do about those things that was karlin the kid he's talking gripe but what i'm saying is in that era in for us it's i think it's like we understand that he's seeking safe haggar he gets it whatever and it doesn't have any leasehold me we gotta shoulder that and if it's like a you can attack me for y'all still respecting somebody who is not of david his original like and that's in and that's and that's a that's a valid point that you do have to update in and he didn't he didn't need he i was watching him i went down it was yuri lewis rabbit telling when he died oh yeah and i was watching the jerry lewis rose from 1968 rickles was on it with the two things that but that it will rise rose that's not even the right the idea the one the first who the killer who's just like jerry i say this from the bottom of my heart jerry you're a jew his justly all right yeah but the other almost didn't he goes you know jerry's a clown and there are a lot of grey clowns emmett kelly that's about i will not give up the other baru hui was rose the is when the martin ones and j jim stewart was on the day is and he goes a jimmy i spoke to the family you're doing fine hosts one there was one where he was on it was his last appearance he was his last carson appearance because johnny was retiring on and then he may johnny lab zohar johnny got into a coughing fit careful john every time you cough lentils at home highfiving the life little good will and i love one and it's a real shit have you seen that one where they built him a club filled with just celebrities the martin there's a dean martin rose who was might have been the d martin show where they wanted to recreate alive rickles show i have that 'cause i signed up for the guide them the other demar the i never saw coming i had no idea there were so many but there was one that came it might have been the d martin show but they set up a club they mean on a sound stage and had people like pat boone in the audience all the celebrities kartal malta bar like he was probably nineteen seventy the early 70s mid70s yeah and and rickles just went up and did his club in insulted ever yeah it was great and as you sweating mid70s when the american flag had wide lapels warren ugly i go it's an interesting question though about because i had this moment where you know being a comic as long as we have you know you and i are old guys already yeah and and by the way just two i am fully aware before anybody jumps down my throat about don rickles and whatever i know i'm i'm i'm done i'm in i'm with this is not what is contemporary this is my view of it pete townsend was talking about the john entwistle used a bitch about wrap that he didn't get it yeah and he said it's not our job to get it it's our job to get out of the way and and i am aware of that yeah i get it i get it yeah well no i mean i you know i can it's becomes difficult with depending on what the transgression is here to stay supportive you'll have to be supporters somebody you can condemn somebody and you can you think somebody's awful but still say that second record though that sure you know and then you somebody said a really smart the genome our solar arguello should young new comic really really funny really funny and really martin somebody was bashing some on woke person new than apologize for it and she said you know you have to let people make their mistakes and grow in public he kinda led have to you have to let people grow catches white dot terrorise them into some sort of cultural siberia yeah the you know the my last special the one before this one um i had the whole thing at the end of boat the our word uh and how it's now relegated wizards see word and i tried to do on those bits ya ya and i wouldn't in i did i mean the bit was a boat the strictly the nomenclature of equating that word with the n word in this year oh it was actually addressing the that that whole thing it wasn't about like i don't use it that way no because then i did use it uh you know i know is that i would never do this and then i did i cheated all over the place and i you know i i said it and i said the n word in the sewer day and i say them now relish at home time mutter myself but whatever i would i would nothing happened but i wouldn't have done i wouldn't do it today i got i did a bit about it about defending you know the use of it in you know in a sense of like in a ended this style gic way um y yo how you know what i mean i grew up with that yeah right but then i guy the guy that igf someone i think it was an email the just said we you know i'm the parent and in and that was a you know i like i had a couple of swipes but in eventually i got a handle on it i i did it and then i met john mcginley lose of very on the forefront of of of all those issues and it becomes real via an and it's not about first amendment that's about though these people have feelings and their young their lives and you're okay i guess that's the thing hey how attached are you two that really need it have you read them of using that word it's not he's no one's censoring anybody yeah it's like you're hurting people's feelings and it's already hard for them yeah exactly brilliant yes i guess they have a rough enough time any and you can and that is truly you can say that will riggles talking about fragile new have enough to have enough they have enough trouble i my my feelings about that are like you say whatever you want the shoulder the uganda water take the take the burn yeah tell uber then handle it what the what's this new were the new season standard against evil what's it did you finish it's all done joey finished it premiers november first on ifc house a different uh it takes the story it takes us roy for the premise of the story is the whole idea of the shows was quite simple i love horror movies are my football so i just thought what if i did a horror movie but put a character in the middle of it that didn't belong here and it was basically what if my dad was an harm of has he wouldn't give it doesn't know just know does he does no he doesn't give fuck right and and we used to make that joke if you remember the indicating kong he's on the building in the planes are flying area my brothers and i used to joke did of our dad was in one of those planes that he would fly out of formation check the scoring the baseball game comeback shoot a little bit more go back and i just thought it would be interesting if like what if instead of buffy the vampire slayer it was just an old irish guy that didn't give a shit and and that was the the premise and i didn't i my mother is still alive but his wife who would have been my mother dies before the show starts and because i needed them to have a giant vulnerability or is just hassle oca them what john mcginley did with that was created this amazingly nuanced character is a good actor huh israel has been around for a long time ago he's not fuck in a row it doesn't seem age much either doesn't know he's he's good lives at the gym i mean is this arms are and i say this knowing he's listening to it his arms are terrifying um uh no easing these in crazy like an old irish boxer from like a poster for the he's like hundreds who was in the issue williams was like five over visas and wall street is a platoon he was in any given sunday but he's built like an old irish bar and how he's all upper body and but he created the he gave this character so much more than than i had give it it on the page and and i have to also give jet at foreign ego amazing kudos for the way she balances him the ballast that she and as such a strong actress the because john is done so much of this work that for the second season i had to right up to him so i developed a whole arc of a story line where there is a time travel element where he's going to try to go back and save his wife's life oh wow and as as always happens makes things much worse oh good and that's the arc this as the art the season and what's the name of the record that see the digital this is what did them i call it a record 'cause i don't know what else to call it how it looks it in a my doubt because my downloads sounds vaguely filthy ah mister funny men and this is what the kids on her the account how many you've done how many record seventy special uh i have the worst i proudly have the worst album titles fun houses fine yeah but it's an they keep up album and his version is albums much better uh let me put my thoughts in you i know what's wrong which was okay this is mr funding in screwed what i mean the bigger problem is really the art work generally yes like looking at what you can almost any comedy record in you know somebody who's like move was i think and yeah homeless every comedy record bullets every comedian gets to be a rockstar for that that one day we you get to look figure your album cover via i did all right like you know in retrospect i don't have any stupid once i ask you know the last don't try to be funny on your color exactly don't try to be funny on your cover that's it that's it iin the war here quad split headshot via the worst people from boston we both novaya the what were their different panels viking different hats and i can't say it on the air but i'll tell you what were probably sure have on those i remember seeing it becomes clear i like how there were different has i know they can play different jobs it would be a fireman and a chef who was a doubt i will good well it's good talk in the arabian sea all dana cooled the great dana gould so lizzy goodman who i'm going to be talking to next in just a second um she was very good friends remarks pits the lay mark spitz they david years ago and mark spitz was a a great writer in his own right of music writer and wrote a greg memoir and he was on the show and because he passed not too long ago that you can still listen to episode in the in the free feed if you'd like it was a great episode very personal very engaged and we missile marqui we miss him you know i think i'm a good cook when i make food at home but there's nothing worse than not having the right amount of an ingredient or 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brainer for thirty bucks off your first week of hellofresh visit hellofresh dot com and enter the promo code wtf that's how of fresh dot com promo code wtf so lizzy goodman the writer is my guest and i met her when i met her with mark once but she put me in her book can we talked about it when she was writing then she sent me the galley and i didn't quite get to it then she sent me the real book and honestly i just skimmed it looked at my part but i have very little recollection i talk to her about this but whatever was happening in rock and roll from two thousand one to two thousand eleven i gotta tell you i think i miss most of it i don't know what i was doing i don't know where i was i mean the last time i knew i was really blocked in to root to rock and roll happening in real time was probably in the late eighties and then side some i just some i went away i don't know where i went but i wasn't i wasn't locked in i'll mocked back in but this the two thousand one to two thousand eleven i was just a struggling comic trying to figure it out i do i get sober like i guess was right after i got silver that might add something to do with it but i just wasn't keyed in to the new york music scene i was just keyed into the comedy scene there was some crossover we we hammered out lizzy and i hammered out and i talk a newer the book is called meet me in the bathroom rebirth rock and roll in new york city 2000 a one to two thousand eleven which apparently are my lost years but that's not true i did i did radio did air america away way i got divorced a guy they'll get married got married and divorced in those years that would have something to do with it so i was listening to music but it was like twelve to fifteen songs that i put on a fucking mix after my wife left me that letter of that a lot of those twelve to fifteen sok unita heartbreak mix i got one how how long you've in la i have a real problem here really i just i've been here for three days where he frazzled you not a dry did you drive i know you drive here i'm from new mexico i know how to write weaker of your friends with i keep i always forget that i wanted to go i'm going you i i think that's a great idea it's great there had to how long did you stay in new mexico till like 14 seconds after i graduated from high school which highschool albuquerque academy i don't i didn't tell me all this now probably not i don't know you went to the academy here how do you i'm two thirty seven twenty five i don't know i just had a birthday and i have been i realize that i've been telling people my old age for at least the last couple of weeks because i forgot the elderly seven i was born in 1980 what was your old age thirty six turns out are you've and you have a goto no no no i just i have this joke with my friend rob sheffield that might ages is 26 forever i have not really evolved pass that i may i'm moving i think i might move i have to me become hear a lot more now what's happened and so i'm thinking don't use drop that i will vote will that but at one of my biggest or i've been thinking about where i to live show alana's neon it seems to be happening fedronic yeah in what way but i will tell you but just my biggest concern is that i'm gonna miss winter and one of my friends his out mean half my friends that i hear one of my friends his lobbying been lobbying me for an ally move for a long time was just suggested to me recently and i never thought of this like you go to new mexico for winter go have winter new mexico's eventually just go have a mild winter well i mean it's cold it's not new york coal i live in upstate new yorkright now oh my god where high falls new york it's what are you doing up there i was finishing a book this book yeah that embassies different one who one of the one of avoiding talking about on your wedding efficient probably hate it which is fine this not hate is not the word disagree with no italian a disagreement thing i missed it of course i miss this if the it's called earth and rock and roll in new york city two thousand one or two thousand eleven i know none of the bans in the really would you like some help well that's why we're going to do but not down yeah yeah so yeah i like the idea spending the casual winter's in new mexico where he here in the higher or some parka whitesnow nodded loom area the luminary of i've in kerala's is awesome when you get your health through in the lights now no known does the candles anymore you can't go said i know they are good they one hundred percent you it's the real thing all right some people still do the rules of very traditional place kerala's new mexico we what we think about living here i'm not admitting that i'm thinking about overweight now i don't lie echo part will people i i don't like them i don't wanna be near them like i don't wherever the williamsburg of la is i don't want any williamsburg valet thank god is not because here it's like bloctobloc you know williamsburg maybe i don't know it's different i mean i want to live by the beach but every night if that he can't live vitamese because yield you know fall off well why show business quarter year because of the book a real yeah marks like oh that didn't even occur to me what an awful idea i have i have to tell you were important which can into serbia but do you know some people like it so is known and i i know it's people love it and i understand that not being yeah i'm very sure there's no i know you and i'm totally teasing you i this book is about a period where you could actually get most of the people to play themselves as their younger selves and it'd be pretty quiet pretty close he added in various no it's going to be there like documentary and and narrative at like fictional adaptation series ideas around that's great i'm excited about it i mean i want to do more of that stuff anyway and always have or have in the last few years and so it's like fund to think about how to make the i mean people i've just felt really gratified by the kinds of ideas that have been a you know because as skeptical that the whole hollywood here at it so far than the people that i think we're going to be working with are awesome well we're did you how'd you start out where'd you end up you went to the academy graduate you got brothers and sisters yeah i gotta younger brother take that's a good name yeah he's get he lives in nigeria really he's a foreign service officer he's a diplomat o good for him the state department and cut them loose yes no um now not yet that's good maybe maybe nigeria this sort of like what i stand ninety he got there he just got there and it's funny we're talking about luminaries he's going to have lumina or something he's having he's getting married in december in england here on dan and he's going to have all this new mexican stuff we've been talking a lot about the new bringing the new mexico to the new mexico christmas vibe to london thoughts nice yeah so what would you go to college after you can ran away to fill it i mean i wanted to be on the rules like right away it was all about new york as obsessed with new york and with the idea of lake eastern urban magic get the eu's when he grow up in a smart household in new mexico you i i want to go to where really happens i like all this cowboy cowboy intellectual shit i that's exactly how i felt i mean it is disturbing to be talking to you about this there there's basically no one who gets out of new mexico so those of us who do all have the same kind of like course spirit about that if you go back they go back oh hi tonnes tons yeah i mean you're going back now i've been thinking about it yeah it's drawing i think about it to the way on wife yeah my heejoo like i don't i like i i don't i'm done with new york i'm almost down with la whereas from argun go this is how i feel you say i'm too young to feel it this is literally the conversation i've been having while i'm here i'm like i will always feel like i live in new york that i don't need to live there anymore and so therefore where do i feel good well that's only corral us exact cheese like me literally only corral starting to feel that it's the only play me for me is not quite corral but i always romanticise prowess but i'm a couple of miles away how you i think would i very close to corral but a all right so dan study what english and classics and your girl at the plan was only good was to be a writer now what a crazy idea what idiot would do that you can't be a writer what was the point of in new york and what just like hang out no the plan was to idea you know i was eighteen i didn't have i had a i had a homing instinct not a plan like i'm gonna come to college because you have to go to college like i'll go as close to new york as they can go and i was really good student and i cared about being gets you now i love school and great china japan but no the plan what it what happened was and this is the right call like i now understand this in a way that i can articulate and didn't at the time that i advocate for it it's like i had to put myself near stuff that would so i could be in a position to have what should happen next revealed to me brian what i mean later that's what new york is yet it's a no to be you know for me and and for others that that's kind of what the books it out here at sense of i don't know why i'm going here i'm just going here because it seems something's telling me to do that and i can't tell you why and i may not even know right away or for years but it's where my next myself is going to emerge on the oddly e know it's because the place it new york holds in the cultural unconscious yes for years since the 70s yeah specially if you're groovy artistic you know literary it it's like it it's grooms large yeah it means something to mean something it's an idea and hand but there but still to this day there's nothing like it i mean you you know you can i can't live anywhere unlike well but do you did you find always at like i was just in new york and for the first time in my life i went over to jazz at lincoln center as fiftythreeyearold and it's have always been there and i was there for for fifteen years on and off and i did nothing like oh yeah hey like all this stuff veiled me like people you go the museum of modern art i did once twice here but i am now like i feel like i'm ready to do that stuff in its fortunate because now i understand new york pretty fucking while i can get around and ought to do what other so if i go in for three days on my show again see let's do it but that's okay that is exactly why my i feel like my current relationship with new york is among the best that i've had which is like when you leave you are able to to be a kind of the it's almost like the first fifteen years are investing in understanding the place enough that you can become a named formed tourist when you go there so now i do that too like i go in from upstate you know every week or so every ten days and i do three days of city staff all my friends i gutted restaurants i do all these things that i had no energy to do because those so relentlessly overstimulated by the time i laughed at that i was like i can't even like i just want to hide and so now there's this the slate has been cleared and it's like new york it's fun again but that i don't ever feel when i was nineteen and started coming to the city from philly all the time i felt like mm i needed it too like kind of worked on me in order to help me figure out how to become myself and now i know how to be myself how did you go there were year ranked ninety eight i moved to philadelphia and i was in school my dad is a new yorker semi dagger opens in status in town via and my grandparents unawares there for a while a who's going to get that apartment come on you tell me about the survivors adel got your grandparents of art okay it's on has pink walls the who is getting that next ruth good men lives there she she's you know she's she's it's her place man here i mean no one's it's a rental it still like i know rentcontrolled renzo deeply rent controlled rental yeah your eyes are like glinting the cia is the new yorker area edge rooms juve everyday that have what's the kitchen like hallander yeah it's the last of the rent control listen everything you're thinking is true it's your fantasy come true it's like the per it's an it's walker they've this would be good always is when you've when i was there you like the idea of control was i i'd rent stabilize but that doesn't mean something i and stabilise to that that's like they're like it's not as brutal so really when you move to new york in earnest this is when this book starts yeah i mean i started coming to the exactly like i started coming to the city from philly to see show i love the story is it's in the introduction to the book it's basically like i i moved to new york the first summer that idea college says after freshman year i i moved to the city i lived in my grandparents apartment i worked at murray yeah and i got a job in a restaurant you worked at sesame street i had an internship at sesame productions or whatever that it was the production company that pretty sesame street that will you write in turn shed you're gone for showbusiness i was not go i was like this is the justification for me being here that's the one the ethics as all i i didn't pick it it was like available and we really i was like i need to go hang out in new york city trash camera oscar with no no they never let me near it wasn't a coup it was like i don't even remember what i did i wasn't near actual sesame street it was the production cut it was it you know is a midtown office building that was set not no would you how could you work for sesame street nakos he were seriously streets production company produces a lot of shows sesame street the crown jewel i was a lowly turn we love the you're acting like this is my choice yet one day they rolled in and they were like do you want to go to the sesame street sat and i was like nath no that's not out having no anxieties me i was i was i you didn't meet ernie organiser continued i wanted to meet rock voice mark i tend not grow her no grown all right grover and the guy with nights in serious who you're like all right yeah he taught me how to ride the subway right are you there you're working says mystery not going to not doing all of the things that i know i've disappointed you deeply and just i got a job in a restaurant 'cause i needed to make money because i wasn't in school and i had to lake support you know i had free rant that i had to lake right pete or whatever you run by close i guess whatever i cared about at that time records and so i got this job at this i got this job training to work at this restaurant crossstrait from grand central station said they were opening any day now and they are hiring up staff i got this job and we end of course it took much longer for them to open and they had anticipated citybased they had hired this staff of kids board hot city kids who went there every day for like four hours and got paid this lowly amount of money and did things like practiced waiting tables and learned the wine list and stuff like that and my coworker was nickel anc who was the guitar since strokes and he was in this band like hit with his friends called the strokes of now the portal opened and you're well no i mean no it was years that was nineteen that was the summer of ninety nine and it was i mean it was a couple of years before like albert the other guitarist had not joined the band yet they weren't they it was my friend nix like ban nick i was nick was like halfheartedly in college and they were just city kids and i was i mean the portal that opened that summer was not rock and roll it was new york like oh nicholas cool in in that he grew up in the city and understood how to sort of like wander wale and how to get into bars and how did you set just it was sort is it was what like i had been learning i it with training wheels in philadelphia that as a new mexico kid like how do you how do you orient yourself in urban life and let these places kind of lake you know wash over you and expose you two things you're supposed to be exposed to how to get the rhythm down and that like nick and i would just hang out after after pretending to wait tables and you know lake wander round office parks and smoke weed in office park teller fina behind off sparked pillars and sort of like just wander around midtown it wasn't and then sometimes i would go downtown to lake st mark's and sneak into bars and do stuff like that beazley it was like that was what was pal 99 summer here that must that summer was those were my marriage was falling apart that was the other big thing that is happening for every avatars you knew marc maertens mary and who's out more a yeah and then he got thrown out of that house in the other find to subway weighed down us instead it was way chiller than what you are dealing with try and dukan redo one man shows that was that are that is i was the best theater oh my god the west bath yeah that became significant for me later really yeah because all the artists where had their studios in there and still do it's still let me extra to yes rate on the west that the west village became later after i finally moved to the city in two thousand two became like my spot because i don't like coolness like i don't like i didn't like i do not want to be on the larry cider off that city will whites places for me when i when i moved there i guess was eighty nine the first time and then i went back in nine the four remember you saying that yeah but but you know and i talk a little bit in the book about the you know what happened then but it really wasn't the only put i was just a little weird historical artifact you put that this from the guys from the generation before radio exxon giuliani for two minutes well i needed that i've might do i thought i was well represented good you were i agree um so this is all just before nine eleven yeah and the you've you found your place on the west side where it's not hip with artists that are well no i mean i went back to philly for like that so what i'm saying is that the that's why it's this is an important about the book the s not bands like i wanted to be a lawyer or something i thought it was gonna be a lawyer i was a school kid but i was pulled towards this sense of magic and misery about new york city that is the idea that we are already just talking about and he hadn't yeah i loved writing but i didn't work from my school newspaper i didn't it wasn't like what what it was was it was like i'm i i i was being drawn to some expression of culture that was related to my generation that i that had not happened yet and i did not know that that's what i was being drawn to you that i during the next few years in the part the four nine eleven were all these bans interpol yesterday as strokes and in you know white stripes and other place like around the world there all the stories that converged in the book all of those people were feeling similar things like assent this basically the same age as i was and feeling a kind of like i wanna make something that i don't entirely know what it is and like the world is not really receptive for this kind of this kind of vibe it's not supposed to be about urban call right now it's not supposed to be about notions of near and what was it supposed to be about in a music industry is supposed to be about dance music erica in you know i i mean in england it definitely was about dance music or was about like postscript popstar th i mean and in my business it was like i mean in the writing what became my business it was like it wasn't that exciting to imagine yourself as a rock journalists because there wasn't a lot of cool rocked the end so that's right it was sort of submerged in jam jammed asked you for a little while they're right i didn't think oh i'm going to be a music journalists i thought there's something about the way it feels to wander around manhattan at four p m on a really hot day in the summer where everyone rich has left the at they're making me feel like i'm getting somewhere and i can't really tell you why and so i went back to college and i studied and an ice kept in touch with neck and a couple of other people that i owe you and he would come and play shows and then i would see in philly and i will go see him and i had friends in philadelphia who are starting to lake want to go to shows so it was like it was a thing to do that had enough in it for years it was a thing to do that had nothing to do with aspiration of any kind and that was really important and it was also like it was like traditional rocking aware coming back it was not necessarily art rock punk rock was sort of finished in a way and and i guess wakeham sort of 'cause like some of the bands in the book i was given like for some reason at that time when i was there in late 90s in then like i left by two thousand two yeah but i was given cds and stuff for iced up for some reason i have the jonathan fireeaters he shot up i do that's awesome yeah they were so amazing i listen to it and i was into it but like what you're with that have been have 90s yes okay so okay so that was that times out yeah yeah they were the yeah they were round is great ho right i have my buddy john daniel was involved with music so i was sort of up to speed on something yeah okay will and 90s wealth that's all right i mean but like like jazz it only o good if you were there i mean that theoretically lay the thing about looking at the book and reading through some of it is that like when i read please kill me that was the those were before me and i was when that was what everybody was going to new york to find was that that's what this is about no i get that with moscow eyes were going to find that for sure and you kind of right about that yes like that's we're all looking for that thing that was like just it was just the the remnants of it and the and the people that were involved with that you'll first wave of whatever made new york cool were just kinda droopy greyhaired dudes walk around in their weather payments that don't fit any more with somebody going like that guy used to be something yeah if that if they are even living there anymore but i i guess i just think that that's the continuum i mean it's not like every winning please kelme weren't weren't polling on i see the continuum of that notion of new york identity as much much 70s as going ponca much further i mean i think much scher further back that than just whole idea it's it's it's i mean this is later but it's fifty yeah and it's jazz it's it's fucking ellis island man it's like come to it's it's in the american identity of new york gonna come here and you're going to reinvent yourself and the culture all potency of that has is almost as old as you know as the city in some way and so but specifically in the world of the arts yes you know what what you know what came out of new york and and what sort of defined it is you had a wealthy people who were willing to kick in to make she had happened yes right yeah and a lot away sure to reject the of a lot of the factors but then i mean you know that for us because this is my taste in i i i think yours too like the punk the 70s punt seen in cb jesus just like i meaning please county was my total bible i'm obsessed with everybody and napa i love that music that's my stuff i came to that late you're now the earth your specialty is more material for the business card wait to the partly to the party on air safety and wrong kinda leadership skills doesn't look good for any of us march mirror merit love martin on but you know i mean obviously there's also the whole greenwich village like i mean dylan for most people dillon is the touchstone for this and it's so the idea that new york is this place that's constantly polling on a previous constantly kind of coopting and borrowing its own past self via to reinvent for a new group of young people essentially the a new for them version of the same thing how are they related to turn all right they can still find the space there if they can still kinda save their which is the question now but like for my for this book for young in the bathroom like i don't see it as a see it as just this sort of the the the chapter in the cannon at that new york cultural story it's just rose right into the bookshelf right there you know after police kelme and after madonna and light up before whatever comes next but it's just it's a stop it's a stop on the larger train i think that and what comes next is going to be a a prominent either chinese or russian trend do you have that i'm good authority seems like it that's the vets me speculating that summer noncash catastrophic start i have is not catastrophic at all as i say that so so when now way what starts to drive when did you meet the the the way great mark spitz i met the late great mark spitz pretty early i i assume he he served as some sort of guide to whatever the fuck happened to you while yeah i think he'd really like you putting it that way well what mark would say is that i thought he tommy everything i know of on so he would want me to say it that way i tell you this bright i've kid from new mexico through philly who's looking for a rock fantasy and that dini and blames outta some yes he's like i can help you out seles ruin your life and i was like great and say it's the glare sorry yeah he talks in his memoir about how i was wearing flipflops for spammy and he's like they're not shoes zia like he was very my new mexico vibe was pretty united wearing makeup i didn't like i was still kind of like fresh scrubbed girl that point and i think mark with space mark dea like you know bad bad asrat girls with lake peroxide blond hair and he was sort of like you are entirely to clean for me basically and i was like okay but you like me no no as a recipe for disaster who's gonna win well that's where it's later and he would say things to me like yes chased me you know and i was like hot can you do the thing amassing unity or what he writing for spin when you met him yes so the way i'm marklevinshow sara louissant who is also a great character in the book and one of my best friends was my roommate in new york when i first moved there so i graduated from college and by that time it was clear that like the city's music scene was happening and i felt i was like dare to it i was inspired by all of i was inspired i was inspired by and have sudden a there was something to write about nato i then was like i wanna be a writer who writes about this but i i taught secondgrade frontiers first 'cause like i can't be a writer thought that's nice i taught at an allboys private school on the upper east side uh glazer's no really has a double life for awhile we were real like fullon teacher major oh yeah misguided men secondgrade whether in how what how did that and why did that and it a two year and it's like your estate teacher and then you either maybe you kind of the carrying on of that would have been to go get a degree in education and like stay in school and would stop you from doing that oh you know i'm are on that cya now now he loved at he he would talk about how wake up in the middle of the night and i would go 'cause i had i talked to my sleep and here go boys get in line and you'd be like jesus who is this girl and is scary she's like yeah so now okay so now you're you're getting you're you're getting involved with the rock senior roommate is what is she says sarah was marks like little protege at spin so i met mark before i graduated from college actually at coachella the one of the first coach as i went out with sarah to see if we could live together we went to this rocked festival together to lake try it on here and on she introduced me to mark who is i mean it's it's in the book their their meeting is pretty awesome like he was he didn't understand instant messenger and because and he's mark air sarah i was like this sort of protec savvy little jewish girl in new jersey who is who liked his writing it's like high and i'm also girl he had like why is this window coming up and they can eventually she wore him down in the house and so she introduced me to him and we had you know a serious series of battles for about a year and a half that then got together and yeah i mean mark was my tour guide through he was writing for span he was a hot shit writer writing cover stories about all these bans and how'd you manage not to get all fucked up i don't know my i honestly i i think it's genetic i i really do i just i don't know may just have the thing i'd die went out and drank every night like everybody else and reich you know there is all kinds of drugs around in yet but i just didn't care that much about it for you but it's not good for me that makes it sound like something i get credit for and it's not like i get credit every not be compelled by that like the like to just a drink in smokes from we'd and just enjoy the music you don't have to go you know you i mean i like you don't have to divert alliance but it's it's it makes it sound like it's a matter of sort of will and it's not it that's why are saying connecticut's like i don't have i'm compulsive in other ways right now i get it i get it that's why i'm saying you're lucky unlucky yeah so that's how okay unlucky so let's talk about you know the the bands that define this thing and the ark of this book because yeah like i just i i think i got my first walkman album like six months ago okay i'm larry liking it so okay i think i got that guy so record i thought that was get those good singer yeah so the strokes you knew that you saw them become what they want us in then and then like the the white trips our guests were coming in from detroit occasional yeah but i didn't the white strips were not like sort of first generation in new york of that were like any who has that were the strokes interpol yay as an lcd soundsystem feel like the whole lcd soundsystem thing like people are like you got your view murphy guy got your mike i don't know what he did so i had to get quite catch up with dfa miyazu jonathan the guy over what is the aga he sent me all this shit yeah i like that the prince worn dance called record yes good first record i love okay maharidge starting went ahead to go find me that record like i said you have one of them around their way it not be you know we have one ring laying around here we were using as a as a as a like a a map for when you eat your time castle your way into this that's you will love james and y'all that's i listen to a no it's great it's great i watch the movie and i i actually narrated a short documentary five lcd thousands of heavier like who the fuck is this no anyway script evaluated out but like i know he something because he mental i too a lot of people like i can see how they met something that people can also see how they kind of like you know kind of like well there's a there's a gap pure that was once occupied by the talking heads yeah that we should climb in do totally the talking heads said that i mean that's what i got no problem that kinds of sending okay i am not jane so you're not to defend now i understand how music work tell me more i understand you tell me my understand that there is now out of new she it yes and that you just keep inventing the old shit i think i mean yeah all right sure i think the thing that all the judge the the period that the book covered with the book is about is not music it's about all the things we i talked at it's about it's about new york it's the central character it's about what it feels like for this group of people at that period of time under to do a thing that is eternal as we just described which is to be young and to feel on scene and to get together with certain friends serendipitous lay that you meet who unlock something in u n two in the shadow of lake at theoretical anonymity make something beautiful that makes you feel alive i mean it's pure that's like that's art that's young people that's new york city that's rock and roll that the but it's important for the book that the context is also from my generation are these people that we're talking about it's happening in in coincidence with all these other major global events like napster we just 2000 and nine eleven which is one hundred percent you know a huge part of this story obviously and it's about and then the reinvention of brooklyn and the commodification of brooklyn and the exporting of that via the internet the newlyborn internet to the world as this sort of notion of how to live like a lifestyle brand to be earth to by going to interview james he said i was trying to dip into that like the brooklyn idea in williamsburg and all this stuff in kenneth ease my way in he goes oh yeah that's all our fault like cool thanks scott and it's that's what so this story is about that but it's about that through the lens of paul banks and carreno and yes you know later jack white or the kingsley on guys or whatever and then off to england and off to the killers in vegas and around the world but that record we should nikola pile of what you did have it'll be about three hours them sti no than i i know i the jonathan firefighter that's a hall in allied it yeah that's a you know you get points for that that's a big crowd point the area the i like one thousand out is great i thought it was pretty good but those bans i mean to answer your questions such as it is it's like there's no like yeah there's nothing new under the sun and this is a retaliating of a generational story there will be i i believe that people make things new i i'm not one of those people that yadav a problem with appropriation i don't have a problem with with the of the evolution of music and he because like if you really look at rockets the people that really make something completely new or generally misunderstood and you may be years later people like i think i get it and somewhere they're like nato the other but there's a core group of fans that are sort of like worthy the only one said get it yet that bullshit any basically the story of the book too i mean if this is mark says this in the book i mean he's one of the greatest characters in it where he's basically like look i was 28 and writing for spain or whatever less was thirty something his thirty already and writing for span and like mark who had an encyclopedia harry say that pete accent encyclopedic thank you very much sandy pratt thing music and film knowledge and all that stuff of was sitting there in new york city loving york city's sort of but just board and that the thing that this that this that there's the sort of beginning of the book that everyone had in common energized boredom energy everyone was bored james murphy was bored he did not know carreno carreno was bored she did not know julian julian was bored gillian didn't know paul paul uh the interpol paul was bored and it was like in their own independent corners of this town at that period of time they all did something about that board and then mark spitz or sara or any of the other sort of non musicians but journalists future bloggers a and our people like all the different sort of um i don't know contestants in this in this like road show here all had in common that sense of what we have here right now is really not enough and we need to like build something cooler and no one else is doing it so we're gonna do it so when spits heard like i mean he says this hilariously in the book where he's just like you know when i heard the white straits it took me a minute to figure out that i was being saved because it was my job to write about mark mcgrath every day and like there it was boring it oh yeah loaded orient and that's the story idea like i get it i get it it's like well boredom mikey to classify all those artis as board i understand that but i think that if you in the history of of what happened with punk rock in the sort of like you know kind of strange angry apathetic posturing that happened is that what it comes down to though anybody who surfaces with any consistency may be board but their workers oh right well that oh totally i mean and that's also new york city like everyone in that town has to labour via the i got a want it yeah and you've got to keep pushing two two to sort of break away from the pack of garbage because in any city especially that size you know for every one may be original band there's going to be like twenty guys just tooling through rehash especially in an era where i mean it's hard to in it's hard to overstate this and it is crazy now but i mean it really seems crazy now that like being in a rock band i loved the guys and dumped than fired or talk about this and later the walkman they talk about how like telling your friends that you were in a band was like now i take us that late yeah it was like really didn't elettronica music kills janjaweed could do we have to go through this aid rallies yes on thursday is at sad than you know like you're gonna make us do that you'll biased drinks rate i mean it was like the least possible cool thing to do and and it was like lame and and kind of an opposition on your friends to ask them to conceive lesser so this whole the it's hysterical because relatively quickly people would be dressing across the country and around the world like they had just been thrift in on the lowery side but not when these bans formed but that's interesting because that whole thing you know that thrifty thing has reinvented itself with every generation of people yeah it's like the now like their thrift in 1980's clothing and i'm like no i know i now i'm feeling that to it's weird like his when i was in high school we were thrift in shark skin yeah not a better yeah yeah and then i had ended at kinda the whole for you know that rockabilly kind of boos like whatever the fuck it was going after the suits in any time we speak to someone about this like can we address this with the culture in general that we just nominate certain erez as as as take as as out of the loop of of going to be rediscovered some ambitious ivan around anymore like fortunately for now everything is made so badly can i know that will never happen you'll never never be thrifty 2017 they should is not going to hold up maybe we've inadvertently solve the problem rallying stealing the fascists that were previously thrift it yeah this is not even making shit that will hold up to be so maybe we just need a generation a cycle through that in like twenty years people will actually have to create new stuff because it will literally going at all disintegrate and have to create outfits said will withstand the heat of there i'm sorry i've taken me right out of there i did it i'm sorry for him you're not enclosed outfits with of'short new mexico's supposed to fair relatively well i mean waters going to be a problem but waters going to be a problem but we have the mountains we aquifers dory right on an akko yeah we give a lot of as i understand it no no eight i think we give a lot of water to california so mother fugger's he had one of the california's thirsty mansour okay so like i know owner free burger this one again with a list of names like oh i show you read all your quotes first come on of course yes okay then you looked at the list through an area in and i kinda poked around it like you know the chapter headings ps but a vote like i don't know grizzly bear the national i came much really lay to and i understand why they're good but i i don't know that i go back to the records up much tv on the radio maize i listen to their first and second record i'm like holy shit this is the media their incredible yet the a as the first couple of records i listened to her i had him the hives i had that record i remember liking so what is your problem nothing we're just get vampire weaken don't think i've ever heard him all right we'll interpol i think i got a recent record with like their back in a mike i missed it the first time pretty good we've routines just gotta whoever teens rokaya feeling about pretty good yeah kind of punky right yeah yeah i hope we will come on something and you'll be like you really have to go and do that is that what you're looking for ya well i buy a records i'm i'm mike i mean i mean a renaissance had music appreciation i'll send you a list i need i don't know like i have your book i know yet we'll you do though actually 'cause you can't start gone mouldy reaches yeah amazing did you play who's got the crowd i don't have it all right we'll play who's got the crap by the multi pages is just one song well that song in particular is your gateway drug for them dave across comedian i know him with his worse are you hold steady i like that guy greg gregory great right yeah he's a good talkers if thinker is good the killers i like that okay kingsley on first who records and crime what happened well y but okay that that's another alternate title for this book sure is where's the staying power while they're all still making albums and touring and dura al like literally all of these people yeah so like you okay let's talk about them what happened what did have well it's up first talk about like the whole that you know a nine eleven left in the world in that like in terms of near all over that chapter see that's another place right you would you but compounding the board white whatever that boredom was was that horrendous existential to terror sadness grieving like i think i talked to spits about that a bit did he ah but a lot of this came out of that well it didn't come out of that it riot it was positioned as gross that word is under the circumstances to be heard in a different way and buy more people as a result of it so lake nino none of these important records the first as record the first strokes record the first interpol record early dfa staff none of that had been was written post nine a lead and it was not a response to that ren before but it was about you know it was about all these themes that we are just talking about yet culture considered obsolete like sadness and anxiety and loud guitars as the solution to that as an expression of that is a response to being alive right it was like oh that's old news and then you know the towers came down and new york city is under attack and america is under attack and it makes you kind of return to the the sort of lake core aesthetics of rebellion and that's rock and roll so what are you want to hear you on here jack fucking white playing guitar you wanna hear the urgency of the first strokes record he wanna you want a kind of a manic toughness the that and i think so these bans who it's not like if nine eleven hadn't happened the strokes wouldn't have broken an englanda had already broken in england and kind of ignited this industrywide like doubletake towards new york before nine eleven happened there album was supposed to come out like the week after nine eleven the first one in the states so it was already kicking off but what nine eleven did is a couple of things i thank and this is argued in the book it it it animated it it increase the number of people who were immediately feeling the need for that kind of sound and it also turned the world's attention to new york city culturally in a way that it had not been it had not had the attention of of sort of like global cool hounds in that way in sense i dunno i also like it they were it was also the guy seventy hanshin for perseverance yes i mean ranked sympathy yeah you know you're bruce springsteen how to go to werleigh hurst tracy and got them back call tied to hit it and yeah and i think i mean all these bans talk about touring in the wake of that and being it off doing comedy in the wake of sure i and the but being cast is kind of emissaries for new york and again for this idea of what new york is about that the entire world on some level was either either loving your heating at that point in new ways it was it was interesting time because if you were new yorker and you did live there yeah you're like we're we're gonna fight yes totally and we're thinking about that now and and it and the other thing that it did i think for the purposes if this seen such as it is and tune day from tv on the radio talks about this in the book i think he when he when he said this to me it really kind of it was a turning point behind her standing as he talks about how the szekely he thinks nine eleven put a kind of pause button on the jansher vacation race there has already happening i mean the the sort of post the giuliani into bloomberg cleaning up of everything sure that would eventually result in the new york the slick anodyne near erni lives there no one does it's it's saudi billionaire's who have apartments for their homes yet they're summer homes that they like might go to it's me the ranch russian it's all yeah and it is it's well chinese i don't know what an honor i it's it's just feel like you've done it feels like it doesn't have a a cultural identity has architectural and the identity right now is money money has a bleaching a fact eventually on culture i think in right now new york feels to me like burnt out literate like whited out like nine i'm not saying that race i'll have her hands out in the way that it was burnt out was bankrupt brought down in the way back right that that like acid has been porn on it and it's it's blake bleached out like i don't know i mean i keep seeing you know i don't know what causes this but when a create is her your it has deadened yeah by capitalism yet money on and by people that don't that day they don't like it will be interesting to do really explore what is rooting there you know in the sense that you know it is completely antithetical that to what it used to be when it was i think the big difference was there was a time were always money there but the people that worked there could live this and now that central and what's funny and not ha ha funny but of course like the it's all connected to this era because that's way jane saying it's our fault is funny the in an again brooklyn brooklyn because it's all those people the new york became the kind of place where you would invest in that kind of apartment because of all of the culture that that re in live in debt and made it interesting and sort of buzz he and brand rival in that way and now all these people who bought their on some level whether they know it or not as a result of this this latest ingretation of that new york thing i live in a place where none of those people can be but this is also like in a way so boring because it's like no shit that's called the cycle of art madda called lake art versus commerce 101 i mean it's going to just play its that and held out over how they all moved out of the city like the that generation of their artist once they got money they all live here they orly or here or they live in new jersey or connecticut or are you not a lot of them keep sort of like i love this i understand this instinct i feel this instinct they keep places in new york like a little apartment on near the barrier rodal whatever lay in just to kind of be like no no i still guide of me i still have a place wrestle like this so this the the ark of this book front yo two thousand eleven sort of the ends in brooklyn beat becoming the like the the the wealth center of hipsters totally and the but also just that that did it ever have any integrity other than for sure but i also just think it's yes it did i'll answer that but also that the idea that that would have one of the things that's hard to see from now because it's so obvious that that is what took place is how unlikely that seemed that that would at the time if you had been sitting there in two thousand two and and sort of prognosticating that in twenty in ten years or whatever like williamsburg a place you could not get cabs to take you was going to be the default locus of cool for the globe for but it's weird because there was some would have been laughed out of that conversation what's really like i lived in the story i had an apartment in the story from 95 five hill like two thousand and two whenever they might sub wetter was just informed by the new known of the building that he now add the lease uh quick note with note under the door there were people like louis had a place in williamsburg there were people moving into long island city yeah and likes her was sort of happening but that was because you could get space fits dole rahab winning is that it's just like everyone move to williamsburg because it was cheap brand because in this to return to it ten days saying i mean it was like you could get free he indeed siddig met each other because they lived in the same converted loft and they were passing each other's rooms enough and seeing that the same shit basically was on the floor at each other's rooms and it was sort of like i guess we should probably talk you know you've got a same weird stuff in there and like loss and in that's not like it's so easy to be like wow that must have been so cool and it's like it's it's only romantic later at the time it's like i need to live somewhere and and and be able to paint place with that right but that's that's the story of the amine ripe but that context or that that framework of life has repeated itself yes generations generation totally though the yeah the law thathat's another title that we here but the thing about nine eleven that tunisia was saying that's important is that whole justification we're talking about in the money in the bleaching out or however you want a phrase it these are they his theory and i by this now is that that was coming much sooner and nine eleven pause debt because there was a sense i mean people thought no one would travel there anymore no one wanted to get on planes it was like leaving for a second it was like is new york's economy going to die this the is this really like are things you can get cheap they were rally are things are things going to you know plummet here is it gonna be russ 70s new york thing again because no one will tourism will dinro wanna live here and all that stuff is they're going to be because it was it was terrifying and it was like you know every plane that flew overhead it was i mean people there were a couple of years where and so what that created for the purposes of this book is this weird a period of uncertainty that was really a gift to these bans because there was a couple of years and this is my my hay day really of lake going out in seeing shows during that time it was two thousand to two thousand three maybe into two thousand four but fair li where it was like it was just wild everyone was like are we gonna die but hey let's party en route druggie and it got dirty and it wasn't that expensive yet rent wasn't going up really of sort of just like the whole the whole apparatus was trying to figure out how this was going to shake out and it was like kohl let's play the you know you should read boca for answer some of those questions behind the scenes what did you ever read that book securing the city on my god who wrote i like i like i recommend this book to so many people i did you secretly right it no oh could cover ominous yes it's a bow it looks like the beginning of every law and order old school lunch or episode is by christopher dickey who i believe is james dickey's son in the i still see him as a you you shows up on shows on cnn and stuff but it's really about how how new york had to create its own count yes i should read that it is to the injury yes 'cause it was like we had we're our own city and we ourselves yeah because federal government and the cia and the fbi were not talking real yeah there was in the federal government was not really stepping up so these guys know what was going yeah and it was it was with giuliani still who was like we've got to make our own counterterrorism force and we've got to have international alley yet ray kelly yeah food and this guy cohen associated irate ocala read this like and then i'll be like i should have talked to him for the buck this is my life like i wake up still at night is damage extradition don't even choke of add that why never writing another oral history ever again or only organized oh it made me move state to a cabin in the woods by myself because they had an emotional breakdown like it's so hard that organization is really a nightmare well you did it and people like it yeah and you know it seems to be all in their uae dill per is let's check it out they clear talk of what do you want from me i i think it is hilarious eiriksson i let my favorite people around the book art like that one of my favorite pieces written about the book was by my friend dan aasi who hates who does not like any of this music basically he's in the book talking about conner over since he loves turnovers but he basically doesn't he's a music nerd anna anna a rock critic and this it he's just like all his hand suck basically i mean not literally but it's not his stuff but the thing is like i have i like i i'm not a connor overspent but i have him in here handsome my best interviews with people who are mike i will that is why and say like i'm at that's basically i think i i enjoy the fact that this isn't your world i think that's more fun lagging learn the creator of service project to talk to someone like that then someone who's like julian casablanca's this my favorite rock star of all time you're like well you're gonna love this yet boy do i have a book free like the this is writing i take this this part of journalism seriously like it's not my job to write a press release for one of these fans its job to convince those who aren't naturally inclined to take this as interesting that there's something there well here's what i have to say i'm happy you kids had your okay are you gonna try to say that that was not condescending he has had a knock out of it is out of all right it's a joke it was it was it was a sarcastic coffin ha ha ha pa let's shift gears demar serious yet um you know i and then the private police state fire juliana of just personal stuff i mean like i i've and talk to you really since markelle passed away a eulogized him on this show thank you for doing and you know because i like the guy and i literally your text to them like would like a week before it happened here do you talk about what happened can you talk about it or not i can totally i talk about i liked talking that i think people are a little afraid understandably to ask me about him because it's france you romantically involved on and off your best friends he was on the up and up again it seemed yes 100 percent it's really tragic i mean the answer to what happened which is what i guess is like not known i suppose i mean i don't really know i don't know anything other than he died and then i i texted you too to say sorry but then i got no information and then you know you just sit there and go igor would have and what that you it's not he's one of those guys ruettgers bound to happen but he didn't seem like it was going to happen that way well a lot of people you feel like it's bound to happen and then it doesn't i mean mark was had a history obviously of drug use and i think most people assume that he died of an overdose and that's not what happens i mean he didn't he we don't know for sure because there was not an autopsy performed huh so there's no leisure a cause of death that attack i mean cause of death unknown as far as i know you ea yes so this is what you're not afraid to talk about we have no information kind of accept i mean they i guess they just think like i so i was here and you know we shared custody of our dogs for six so mark or seven an hour years together in from my 20s and then we broke up like 10 years ago and but we stayed incredibly close friends and he was my creative partner basically like that mark this book would not exist without mark he is the person on the other end of the line consistently throughout frame iin merrier well like naughty i mean sometimes like sometimes is needed grady stuff but more just all writers need like the the i'll people i guess that create the the sort of like hootie who is on the red phone was on it was like i don't know and this isn't working in what do i do and like help and also i just need to that it's like that was the dark we are really really tight creatively and he would do the same we would talk to each other about writing every day and our dogs and so i was out here and he had been in a period of incredibly badge oppression for a couple of years on i mean probably his whole life it had been really bad and um i was helping him in his his family was helping him you know try to get the right mental health care never quite came together for him and eventually and so eventually after a couple of years lake road than the month before he died he was better than i've ever seen and he may have told you that india he was like like running a little bit yeah he was taking better care lindo visit no no one he hadn't dan i mean i think i know that mark lied to me about drugs or the years he wasn't like here's what happened the night that he died he went to a bar on the night that i think he died he went to a bar because he i mean we don't know exactly when he died he went to of our on february second and he had a couple of drinks drink and a half with a friend and at six thirty something like that and he came home and he walked the dogs with this friend and he was inside his house with the chain on the door and the locks on the door and a bowl of pasta on his on his like coffee table they found him and i couldn't hear i didn't hear from him the next day and i was worried and i didn't hear for him the next morning and we he didn't do that with that i mean he the dog think mark loved dogs er that anything in the world and wouldn't fuck around if their howarth and knew i was all the way out in california i mean he was like mortar arctic about the doksan i am pia and that's how they a his eventually i woke up a bunch of people up in his super went into his apartment and he found him just slumped over on his couch with dinner on the table so like as i have never done heroin but my understanding is you get big bell right and also there was no drug paraphernalia in his house and no drugs oregon went yeah i mean it's an aneurysm or a heart attack or or what any he i mean the dogs were fine they were in that house with him for thirty six hours and they were thirsty and in america pasta here at left that here too viking luggage joni it in like pardon me asshole i'm hungry and like their sausage in that layer she's too short can get up to that just short short leg's well you know it's it's it's nice to know that it it probably wasn't some eur grisly relapse no i mean if fit you know i don't know enough about you tell me can you like have secretly donovan of heroin fight hours before and then go home and make dinner and then die from doing that i mean a dozen quite at up but i you know but it seems to me that he put himself and his body through and you not up to him you know you know and if you don't know what you're like i don't know one is less physical was i mean you could only had one he high made him go and get one with wh what was the informality all systems go but you don't i mean this is what the there's i mean i'm going to be dealing with moves it out over that out of my life by not heart stuff that well i mean right like this is if you have a blake blood clot if you've an an aneurysm is undetectable i mean you can't like you can show people and this we don't have any control over any of this in the illusion is that lake via if you take care of yourself and you get physical zinni's sort of like drink your green juice that there is a sense of of control over warding off death in it's just not like that and like mark abuse the shit out of his body but that's also no guarantee that he was going to die in that way and you can take really gets care of yourself and you can get hit by a but i mean you know or diet something undiagnosed it's just what happens and it's horrible it's horrible but the one thing we do know was quick yeah and he was there with the two people in the world that he loved the most which are those two dogs no good swear to god i i'm sorry for your loss and congratulations on the book and it was nice of you to dedicated to him of guel i my friend imran told a a really potentially off color but actually amazing joke about this on this happened because imran loved mark in knew him very well a lesbian he goes so that's what it took to get together because there was dedicated to my parents and they got for this is the only thing mark could have done and i mean you know you knew him quite well and you guys have a shared sense of real black humor and so do i and mark i mean i can hear and sometimes it's being like the biggest promised that book was there is not enough amee nso i had to be something that will yeah you've got to have the dark your mercy you don't you know so the bottom doesn't fall out was nice talkin united sock india that was fun those good those promotional in some ways don't forget if you're in now way you can join me and brendan for our only l a book event and signing this sunday october twenty nine th at seven pm go to live talks la dot org for the tour page of wto of pod dot com i can't play ktar tired and a little depressed boomer lives uh uh uh
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"Uh people who really like just that over the top splatter risk fake sifi are going to like this people who like crazy japanese cinema are going to like this so if if you're watching some like hostile and someone gets hostile well known in any discrimination that here because if you're watching when it horror movies were someone gets torture and who slowly a pin gets pushed and rare i rightly like that you have that cringe reaction and it's happening but in this i imagine it's so over the top and so numerous that you don't have that cringe reaction right year none of just sort of on the yeah i right you're on the rollercoaster is that the case us for the most part yes there are still a couple of moments especially in camps of the eyes i aware night thing yet where they're like drills going to somebody's i those get a little bit again like they're over the top it is unlike hostile were hostile really want those movies wanted to make you feel like it is real like it is happening right now that is were given comfortable this movie it does not want to go there it just is happening so they're not trying to prove a point glue could we can get away with their dislike this is a crazy movie you know you're going to watch cruising movie here you go is there an ending no okay uh oh i mean there as there isn't ending and there is a meat ball machine but sti i have no it like again i do not know if that is how the first movie in that i know you there was a first movie until i was doing research on this one at this point with japanese movies i dunno if its cultural actually or if it's just they don't know how to end a move like manga area and a maiden famously doesn't really always hata's f in heart and lung or or or indeed much with story often i'll i disagree eleven a but yonder i it's on it's even to massive genre for fiercely ever scher so to my rating on this one.