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Finally by on the podcast is week. We keep both is openness Nick fury himself. Samuel L Jackson talks, captain marvel talk to Brian. She told me she was doing moving to hear secondhand from from. I hand here from cab tomorrow. And Ricky veins rugs up to the poll booth for lovely about his new Netflix show afterlife Matilda. Or dog? What's the thing? I'm doing now. It's my favorite thing. All that more on the movie podcast with Jeff as and Jackson. The same episode is basically turned into extras paddock's here is gonna be on here. Nick sane is too late. I've seen everything I'm Chris Hewitt and welcome to the podcast back inner pod booth in London after lovely chip up north of the weekend beyond the wall to the Glasgow film festival that with, sir. Michael Palin is up. Now, should you wish to give it a listen to colleagues of such lethal Cunningham followed me back from Scotland first up is a canny lass who spent much of the weekend gazing longingly in the direction of Hamilton. It's a place Helen, not a person. It's both Asgard telling her how are you? I'm very well. Thank you all the better for having spend the weekend in Scotland. Of course, the nice wasn't. It was good. What was your favorite thing that you did in Scotland we went for very good meal at mother India India's cafe. Yeah. Great Fontana best indie meals over had our second colleagues such cunning wasn't there because he was getting a later train because next up we have a man a TV expert who seen as many films as he's had Niks and tabbies it's James Dyer put it you just say nips and tatty. So these things it's an Scottish delicacy, essentially, okay, we start with a question. Let's let's have a question. The question comes from Twitter accounts from at Dan packet, and he asks with captain marvel on the way, what is your favorite pet in a movie? Nah. Not from the la-z-boys. Okay. Show you working out. I I'm szeswith huskies for start and. Yes one, but he liked kills vampires and everything and he's super q on ties the dog that I won't I want that dog to follow me everywhere, the littlest Hobo with chomping teeth. I case ever beset by Pires, which I might happen. The lot round you're part of the world while you know, it it does happen. Yeah. But presumed to be talking actual co portrayal pets like I couldn't have like a like a dragon of some sort of. Toothless? He's more of a partner. Helen, I think you really diminishing his role. He's an animal who live with this. You censured creature? You are a racist. How dare you say animals aren't sentient? Yes. Well. So you got toothless on your list, I'm going to allow because the the question is favorite pet in the movie, I'm going to allow things that aren't dogs at aren't cats. So therefore, the only answer the correct onto this question is, of course, the rank core. Oh, yeah. Because the run core keeper loves him. He loves him. And look kills them. Intractable pets. I mean. You can have landlord issues up the really with that one on. That's a very good point. You could sell most issue. Landlord up the arse what no into the mouth and. Yeah. Okay. I Aldea maybe ours. I thought you were going to say a goldfish called Wanda. Oh that is true. Not really range. No, it's no. It's a goldfish. No. I know. But you're right. I can surmise Palin. Good friend. Yeah. Mikey, sir. Mike ep. Yeah. As Ken in a fish called Wanda, he has many fish. But he his beloved one James you'll know this because you love comedy. I do hate a fish called Wanda. I believe okay. Let's get we're we're good stars. He's learning. His CPU is learning. On growing the vessel because as you have nine from clearly listening to last week's polity be per cost. You'll know that we reviewed three sitcoms and I loved all of them. Yeah. But like Darryl's like unaccountably Britain. So I really enjoyed myself to life in every into at home as well. Rufus Jones, you enjoy afterlife, which has an amazing pattern for dog. I don't remember the doc doesn't tend to end well for a lot of pets. Does it want to get eaten? The rancor gets crushed my a callous Djeddai evil. Stor. That's the dog and the cat usually survive usually Joel's maybe dime. You spielberg? This is true. The dog is eaten in Joel's. Yeah. But you know, in in I don't know independence day. Of course, the dog survives. The gigantic wave of fire jumping. Now, it can have been just toasted by the heat would have been toasted by the hate the dog is fine, flammable hair. And it's for with his that that jumps the door. Okay. Interesting anymore for anymore. Are we? Core is the winner. I'm sure we're forgetting a law of great Petr rankle. You've really couldn't. How do you know? I mean festival is just coveting drool and other people's and trials, and I just I just don't see myself snuggling up in front of the TV with a rankles headed Milan. The couldn't. But that's because it's pick up your entire living with squish your lap. It would be very uncomfortable. What about what about Willie? Pets. Once he was free, presumably less, but before he was free when he was still captive willing. But even then you couldn't sit in your living room overnight and stroke Willie. What if you had a big if you? All right. Anything else? Bears snakes, gentlemen, bad from the edge. It's not it's not what what happened if they hadn't killed it. Yeah. And they take it home. It would have killed the lion in born free. Okay. Elsa again. Is it a pet? It is adjacent it lives in the house for longtime fine. Okay. Gravy roar? The the movie which start I think it was tippy Hedren on a young male Andy Griffiths, and it was filmed with actual lions running ticket. Yeah. Their house and took ages to film and. The film, but he wonder how it's it's kind of. It's kind of weird. We haven't even done animated pets are always good because they're a little bit more capable like the chameleon and tangles dislike the comedian. Pasco Pasco or the Goliath is pretty great my actual ideal. Pat. I'm not kidding about this as Harry Dresden's dog from the Dresden files books. He's a dog called mouse. He's Tabet temple vulgar to betton mastiff. I believe they're called needle kind of slightly part team, and he's kind of mystical. So he's superintendent you can just tell them to do things kinda just do them with the pod demon dog. Good team in like a bad demon golden, compass wasn't shit out of said one of the demons in that like pendulum, and it was shit. Pets pets Damon's. But the name to demon dole. Those are like people souls I named an actual pet. I could have someone Solis. Can I have oh people can have someone to be your own souls at their you're out of luck. Because we've established many many times you are completely and utterly Solis. Thanks. You're the one who established it. I'm just calling to non okay? Do you think appalled? Pretty cool. He walks away count Knoller sent in creatures once again, they could fill out in exam form, they could take a driving test. That's that's my I think that's my test. That's my metric if they could drive a bike, then fashioned precisely all right three more pets and gonna throw in one bub. This be from day of the dead technically pet. He's chained up shows nothing, but doglike devotion to his master. You would because Bob has been trained not to bite humans, unless of course, they're nasty nasty hip. So would you pet it because he could tell he could sense. The goodness inside me. Somebody cat. All right. So hang on. I'm evil. He sold us. What does that make you lost? In the wrong room. Here. Why is this? Keep. Two more pets pets, they'll talk by Baxter from I commend. But just can't just can't can't. Jeez. He communicates. With the bear the end he saves the day. He gets punted off a bridge. That was my best leading to wrong in a glass case of emotion. Yeah. That's all fair. Yeah. Is gonna be my new thing on the NPR podcast. I'm just going to start describing bits of Michael ended James little bit inside. Do you like the bit with the what about? Oh, I like it. All right last pet. Reggie the pet snake from the beginning of raiders of the lost. Ark. Is even referenced in line of dialogue. That's just my pet snake? Reggie I know his reference I'm not sure that Warrenton being you know, the great pet. He scares the shit out of Indiana Jones to all his cousins. But it's beautiful foreshadowing. And also, this is a man we've seen not really be he's come through unscathed from poison darts and all sorts of weird booby traps and obstacles. And it's a snake that puts a fear of God up. And it's Reggie Wheldon. Reggie, okay. The rank within sure let's go the records. Yeah. Not like we've been talking about animals for the lost eighteen hours. I mean, it's been like ten minutes. It's been it's been six minutes. Yeah. The run core is the winner. I'm delighted to announce that rancor is the winner. And if you wanna have your question right out on the empire podcast as Dan peck found to his cost you can get in touch fine number of methods. We are on Twitter as at empire magazine. Use the hashtag NPR podcast or chances. Are we won't see it? You can Facebook as well. We'll we're implementing scene, and you can Email us also podcast at empire. Online dot C. O M how exciting time now for a first guest making a welcome return to the empire podcast. He's a comedian writer director an actor a prolific tweeter. And the creator of shows like the office extras life's too short all was diva merchant and Derek on his own. He struck out solo again with afterlife, an expiration of grief and healing which launches on Netflix today. It also has an amazing dog that JIMBO can't remember also accepts odes are in this lakes as it is a course Ricky face and he came into the booth recent. To have a little matter with me about a great many things. Please do enjoy the land of the joined on the apple podcast by the star of afterlife, the writer of afterlife, the director of afterlife and executive producer of afterlife be grilling you in that if you seconds richer vase. The fourth time. That's what I was wondering like what what is an executive producer? Do what it means to take any shift? Many olders. But you are in. Even if it wasn't being charged. Yeah. I don't know what it means. Really means something in this context. There's also where it doesn't mean. Anything people put their name to something friends befriend put some money. I did a lot of the work. You're you started. Obviously, you do you see those three disciplines as very much entwined. Yes, they are. Because when you're creating something happens in your head. Don't you don't think in sentences, and you don't departmentalize really. And when I write something if I were screenplay for someone else. Bouncer chore. That's a lot of work and Adleman Roy's if I'm writing for me. I now I'm directing it. Yeah. So you can you can be more craven away. Because when you write something don't doing on the laptop putting into you know, final draft. You'll thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about when you're trying to create something you shouldn't be thinking about Adleman and punctuation and spell check and structure, and you should be lying back drinking looking ceiling. I think my best writing comes when I'm running or on a plane drinking champagne outta chewed, dude. I mean, there's no there's no Ottoman. There's no you just you just do it. Yeah. And so all comes at once. And I and I felt these down, and then you know, you workshop, and is quite a nice pleasurable process doing all it's harder is not it's hard and not being in charge. Okay. In terms in terms of. So if you were say the writer. Yeah. Just a writer. Yeah. Someone else was directed. It. We feel. The whites I've been on films where the director is hired is hired by the studio. ES too cold to change your word to worry about shop. You know? Stories is hand handover their screen plan. Can't what's the film because they go to to pressing? So win lose or draw. This is how I wanted it. There's now 'ambiguities. The buck stops with me. And that's and that's the that's the only pleasure for me, really creating something and it turning out like I wanted. When was the last time, I happened to you you had to create a struggle to people were not sticking her own. But may be that you weren't getting your vision one hundred percents since the office lucky very lucky to get fine lead. And I think that's because it was, you know, low low budget on a Monday in July, and no one knew whatever whatever it was. But then when it works out. Well, you again, and you keep getting until you really really screw up. So but having said that you know, when I say fine lead it on on a TV show. It's still sixty people involved. You know, I'm still the only thing that really is flying solo. I think is stand up. And so even that gives me another level of, you know, to- talk. You know, is that where you're in your heart? Mainly lies these days. It was off. Do you mind? I've been a full member ten years ago. Jerry Seinfeld signs me why you to move isn't your stand up? Didn't get it right now. I understand what it meant. And then human a income. I think that was my best. It was my best for lots of reasons. I seven years away so absence makes Harper funder I approached it differently. I wanted out like a style of I think my first so of for toes, I so of wrote like a writer luck and Edinburgh or something and then acted them out. Like a stand up but humanity, I shampoo lv out in jeans with a kind of fosters, and I started talking to the audience, and and and it was so different place. And I really felt like that was my that was my best for those for those reasons is also a privilege. You know, it was it came at the right time. And I, you know. It was about freedom of speech, and it percents. So this is about as well, and is in many ways. But now I've fallen back because I loved the experience of afterlife so much. I'm tundra. Dog thing. The thing I'm doing now. It's my favorite thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's my we think. Yes. That's my favorite thing. I'm like that. Really, I'm but I I enjoy the freedom. I enjoy the freedom of creation. It's absolute privilege by the time. I get to filming something is easy of I've done. I've done the road work of live with that script for year. I know the characters I'm playing parent to the comes from inside me, you know, when someone hands me a script, and I say do this. Do. I'm not. Stress the one. Yeah. I'll be housing Mike up every not doing it. No, it's it's gonna come from somewhere within me for me to be excited about it. Popped up in movies. I've done I've done those things and they're fun. They're not they're not a piece of my soul. Like you get up in the morning. No. Yeah. And I think I'll get in my if I could list things I've heard I'd say a mine, and my vote, honestly, it would be half a dozen things and the other the other twenty things really enjoyed of of an episode of the Simpsons starting the Simpsons. I've done a map. It's great fun. But then not mine at the Golden Globes, then not mine. Whereas, you know, the office extras, Derek afterlife a couple of movies, flannels and and five toes than mine. All mine. Everything is, you know, I did I did all it's hard to explain really why you do things. Do these. Because there's there's an adrenaline rush. In me. Do them was doing adver for a house. It's the Michael Caine close. Yeah. But I have seen the house built in. Yeah. The the different different reasons is a business, and I do I do exploiting brand now and again, but not very often. Actually, I don't do press and podcasts and things for an advert. I mean, you know. Often life and super and I'm proud of love a won't be with be as excited about as as may. You know? So I it's it's a clear is a clear different in my head. If not in a associate we don't say around, caring. Why I'm doing things they they judge you on results as opposed to what I'm going to watch this because he of work. Next facts, they go, please let me through because I really want. I wanna cat. I wanted slightly more than. Exactly. Yeah. Jerry Seinfeld thing you say to him. It's easy for you to say that movies aren't important because all you've done this be movie. Done like loads loads of movies. You could maybe see I think man. Standard is the holy grail of comedy. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you wanna pop up in movies? Why do you want to you on the stress of them? Why do you want to just be at someone who puts on a rubber costume run around? And and I agree with him because stand up is the holy grail. Again, you know, it's quite a remarkable place to be where you can play to a million people around the world. And I've come to see what you say for an hour. I mean, that's incredible. It it does feel Lucca a real privilege. And is exciting as well. You know, you could to the big difference. I suppose with stand up and acting is the so if you're a big actor in you on a rubber costume and men around in film when that rubber costume comes off people. Don't really carry. You are I remember I remember story. The right. I rose turned up to a club wants to try and get in free, and I would turn away, and I understood it because the planes really make the planes. We like to be honest, I possible oaks. So I think that was I think with them I think being a comedian if you write and perform your own stuff, I it's it's more like being a rock star. Because you're the people these people think y'all that same person when you step off the stage. Did you saying just told to stand them, you know, what to say? So it's not as exciting. It's not, you know, stand up more confessional. Even if it isn't necessarily the still that perception that it is at your bearing your soul Blair. Yeah. It's it's it's it's you preaching your words as opposed to someone else's. So that that's that's I suppose one difference the other differences when you a film or a TV show, you, you know, you do your best. And then you put out that. And that's it. It's done nothing. You can do about it. You can't you can't guys reaction. You can't change anything. Whereas stand up it's more like evolution through natural selection after you've played to a few thousand people you've got this perfect beast that works anywhere. So stand up is less like an art form and more like a science because either works or it doesn't. And so that's another difference. Once is there is there forever. It's you know, it works everywhere, and you can change in the fly. Ever-evolving improving and getting more and more perfect. Did afterlife emerged from humanity a away because she said they have similar thematically preoccupations yet. I've always everything I've done. This is is one, you know, at least semi autobiographical, you write about what you know. It's you all the some of your inputs over even things you realize, you know, it starts don't whether you know, and everything I've done is also quite existential. I didn't ask 'cause I'm an atheist, and I know this is all we've got everything I've done is the office was about becoming four, and I I do the right thing. It was about getting close to death. And you know, what we learn as being kind and flannels is about the futility of existence. I deconstruct Juno. And so this is no different this and super nature, so super nature. Super nature for two reasons. One on deep the supernatural dental, even anything supernatural, I think the anything that exists by definition, PA of nature explainable if not now then the future so that age and also say that you know, nature super enough. We don't need angels in unicorns octopus. And then obviously go off in it's about human nature. Now, we've changed in what's important in life. And it's about mortality in a funny wise lecture. Yeah. Still paying a for money. And yeah afterlife, I suppose either. No, it's it's about it's about our worst fears. You lose the love of your life. Your raise on debt in away. You know, you know, Tony is a man who just lived for being home with Lisa played by Keri Gotland. And we show that daily an Adila life. It was fun. They mucked around they drunk. They played it was brilliant. No, I'm Bishen of getting at six o'clock in about a wine, and and then that was taken away from him. And now he's needs a plan B. And is I thought is willing to kill myself because I'd rather not be around without but the dogs hungry. So he feeds the dog is in time enough to think. Okay. But if I'm going to do this. I'm gonna punish the world. So he's going through this second stage degree Freddie's angry wounded. Yeah. And they went to come close to him and he wants to hurt people's feet. Wins because how what happened here and the as he doesn't believe in God. And he knows there's no offs life. And as he says, you know, I'd rather be nowhere with her than somewhere without. Yeah. And is ticking clock for his friends and family to try and save the nice guy. They once new and he's different absolute, and he's tried to change himself as well. Because he's he saw tried to become a psychopath. Anymore, and it doesn't work because you calm. He's still he's burdened with conscious conscience. It's it's really the tone of the of the of the show is really interesting as well. Because you could imagine kind of weird really broad almost Rodney Dangerfield level where this guy. We're totally. What did I say? Don't think. Yeah. But this is, you know, this is really somber Israel serious Israel. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's the Dr laughs in it. But I would say it's it's drama. First foremost, it's shot Laka drama. Yeah. Is a comedy. But the comedy comes. I think for the audience celebrate in his Khanda, and we live vicariously through his is bravery and lack of you know. Innovation and from his anger. I'm from high in the world. That's funny. Clown isn't funny because they're trying to make you laugh angry with his life is funny because he doesn't want to be laughed at these angry. And yes, I suppose I've been I've been watching comedy for two years I've been watching Scandi nuance. Does it's paced like a. Yeah. A drama. Yeah. He's a long movie. I guess it's it's the most serious thing. I've done you can't watch out of order now is one long story of a man in free full. It's got the beats of a two and a half hour movie. You know, or a novelization I think that's yeah. Yeah. Actually in the novel because that's why too hard. Hundred thousand words. The TV series day. I know screenplays in notes. So. Yeah. So yeah, it feels. But it is funny. You do laugh do you laugh, and and and it's an as lovely moments as yeah. And the castor amazing. Oh my God. Apparently will is incredible David, Bradley. My father's is suffering from outsiders, actually, Jensen is the nurse. I carry a small cadre of kind of Ricky surveys all stars as. Yeah. Is the greatest hits. Cost sometimes in that first thing and people have admired from one of my favorite. I think the most underrated is comedy time is decreasing circle. Say that probably got fifteen million. Remember being here. Yeah. But it's it's amazing and they use payphones beautifully. And she's she's incredible. And everything. Tremendous, and she saw of help save me. No, no. No. No. No. Yeah. Yeah. I think people probably no, I don't kill us. There's a threat there, isn't it? When you saw tweet Taito, and then it's like, synopsis and Afo people start guessing onto. No not saying heaven. Does he come back as a dog? If I come back as a dog. I mean. I mean. What do you think this? Ghost town too. Yeah. That's not mine. Show is set your Tony works for a small local newspaper. I started off working for small local newspaper so product lots of interesting memories. There's a moment where Tony says everyone should be in their local paper at least once and were you in your local paper going up. I think I was forbade in the quiet ones. I think I think that was it. Yeah. Yes. Isn't local. It's a local free paper. Again. I'm I'm so of slightly taken the mic a little bit, but affectionate way because I love local newspaper wherever I am. I get looking newspaper, and I want to see what the front cover story is. Because if it's, you know over July book. Yeah. You know, that's probably a safe place. London local papers nine stop ins last night. So. Paper. And you know. Yeah. Tony says, you know, it's it's not for ratings for being in. And that's and I think that's really it's really sweet. And you know, when he's is in the deepest depression. It's a chore. You know, doing these banal stores they EM up from the inside. He just wants to go home and get drunk. Yeah. So it's it's about. It's about how can you enjoy life? If you're not happy in your own head doesn't matter. What's happening in the world. It could be the best of times the sun can be out. Right. If you wanna open your head, you're in a dark place, and if you're happy nothing fazes, you if you're happy if you've got happy home life in your happy, nothing fazes, you nothing matters. So it's so of about that really we touch on those issues, and what you do to survive. What is five in pain and grief and depression again? This sounds like the most depressing. But it's really funny. It's a lovely show as well. And there's a dog in a great dog everyone. It's been a pleasure as always thank you so much. Thank you. All right. That was Richard phase and afterlife. I I liked afterlife. And obviously, this isn't the pilot TV podcast, JIMBO. No you shouldn't be out of your comfort zone. Talking about TV on a film podcast, or is it the other way around, but I like to show. Yes. Did I Ricky wanted everyone to watch all six episodes before reviewing it Boyd informs me. Boy, this one or rookie has won a board Celebi friends houseboys one of celebrity friends, it's hot desire. But, but yeah, he said so so to understand the art can I think you fill in a lot more of his backstories to show guys on because he comes across his rating in the first one. Because of course, that is what is chosen to be completely not the show with what was going to be discussed. It is good stuff and great dog it promises. Great dog in it. Yeah. An accident. Same with small ginger, boy, which made me Ghafour allowed had can imagine that it did. There are laughs in it. But it's it's a more moving Chillan. I expect it so afterlife is now on Netflix, all six episodes. But his time now for some lovely movie news I woke up this morning to bit of a bombshell. Really? Oh, yeah. What was that? It was rumored last week that Will Smith is out of the suicide squad. Yeah. Which is the sequel to suicide squad which will be written and directed by James Gunn. In live guardians of the galaxy volume three. Of course, I know at least drawn Chris. I still do feel. It's a it's a active brinkmanship that he's going to get up to the point where he's shooting and marvel light. Yup. And he's waiting for you offer for marvel and come back come back. It'd be fine coming right Guardia street, and he'll be like five weeks into the suicide school at this. So I guess I'm doing it. I guess I guess I'm making this movie. But we're excited about it. Despite that an interests Elba has joined the cast, which is one big reason to be excited about the suicide squad, and he is going to replace Will Smith as dead shot. He is exciting. This is exciting. This is the first thing that's made me go might want to this film. Genuinely that is true. I'm excited about that. Because he knows what he's doing not say David air doesn't David Ayres made some good films, but he's also made some less on that dreadful with Arnie sabotage. Anyway, big dress big Driss as as Smith. I'm above that. Yep. And there was some speculation that the the part might not be in that the character might not be in the movie, but clearly they decided to important to the suicide squad. My knowledge of the suicide squad characters in DC is quite slim. So I don't know how integral he is to the first film. He was somewhat the conscience almost thank you know, guy. But you know, he had that very much more sympathetic story about basically trying to get back to his daughter. Yeah. Trying to sort of regain some kind of life as a father and not to look more synthetic than the motivation of literally anyone else in the film. So I think that's probably why they won't have needed to have replaced him with another character that you hit latch onto if they didn't have him. So you know that we've listened to other gun developments this week. Yeah. So the the try not to James comes bright burn tro this week as well. Which is an interesting. This is one fascinated me for ages because I just love. The log line for this. The elevator pitch which is not imagined superman if he was evil that's a great setup for film. Isn't it superman comes down, and he's just even read son? He's a little bit, you know, politically problematic. It's he's full on evil. And that's a pretty good idea. I was in Atlanta while by the trail about if a little conventional today, it's very conventional as then it's a trailer trailer didn't think it was quite scary. I thought it was affected that way. And my only worry about really that trailer is that it gives away our whole everything. Death's all sorts of. Don't like that too. And I'm curious where they go with this film light it feels like west there. I mean perfume you have some kind of kryptonite type substance with something's going to happen. But I'm yeah, I'm curious. Red sun superman is actually more or less. Good guy being facetious. Yes. Russell. I love obscene fantastic. Really, really great stuff this promising, but actually surprises me that no one's really made. This twist on before me to I guess, you could look at this sort of you know, retelling of the. In a weird way. If you had heat vision. Well, of course, we could potentially have to sort of twisted superhero stories Sierra new mutants ever comes. Breath for that. Out. Always strikes me as quite funny that Richard Donner. Made the omen an envelope. A superman movie both of which involve how talented children being sent to earth by their fathers for very different. Both are sent here to shape humanities path. This is true. The way. All right. What else has been happening in the world of movies? Quick story them listen sequel, which is subtitled mistress of evil has moved forward seven months, which is a bit of a vote of confidence. I mean, given that we the only one who had no idea that was sequel coming might be. We might be. We were on set. We had a big old. The what's I didn't know this was last summer. It was do I out may twenty twenty. It's partly now arriving October of this year exact told not yet confirmed. So I mean, I have no idea how she's going to be misunderstood again in her attempts to be good and some high end up super evil. But apparently, that's the thing that's going to happen. Interesting suicide squad. Well, he's very busy right for one thing. But to he signed on to star in a movie, although it's very early stages called king, Richard. Now, this movie is about Richard Williams who is the father of Phoenix and Serena Williams, basically to the greatest tennis players of all time. And encourage case of Serena really argument as she is the goat eighty twenty Twenty-three slams, so far there has been a little bit of controversy about this me. I will Will Smith terrific actor, we love them. And I think this could be a really really interesting story because he's a very interesting gyn not without controversy and his past. But there has been bitter controversy over the color ISM of this casting because we'll Smith is considerably lighter skins than Richard Williams. And there's been a sort of push for maybe someone darker skinned basically, so people were suggesting don't Cheeto or address Elba overseas. Otherwise engaged right now. I have seen up the the the I'd seen lives. People asking why is not a FINA? Serena movie wise, focus on their dad, and I guess this doesn't preclude anyone from making a FINA Serena movie, and you can absolutely one about when they're in their pump which be fantastic. But the same time you look back at the story of rigid Williams. And it's an interesting story is something there, and you can see why someone like wills myth would attach himself to this doesn't director yet about with Wilson's attached to it will get made sooner rather than later because which Williams basically from very early age they grew up in Compton in Los Angeles. Non this sort of background at you'd imagine tennis players, come from Tennessee, very white sport. It's very middle class even upper middle class sport. It's a sport for rich people as sport for people who can afford to go to tennis clubs afford. All parv navy that comes to that. It's more than just a racket, by the way. And I it was an exclusionary sport as well. I would say and he along with his daughters. He basically shattered the glass ceiling of tennis and. Decided from very early age and his daughters were going to become tennis superstars, drew a seventy eight page plan to make them happen trained and worked hard and lobbied into altered stuff. I'm better than the doors at a previously excluded the majority of black. There's happened black players in tennis before Arthur ash, one of them, and yeah, it's really interesting story fascinating one. So I'll be excited to see where this one goes me too. I think I think it could be really interesting, and I also hope we get the Venus arena film that we. Yes. The also need and tuten. In the meantime, I highly recommend following Williams on Instagram things like that. 'cause she's brilliant. And fascinating. I feel like I've seen Wimbledon. I'm done. Okay. That's like the worst tennis movie recently heard enjoyed it. Good. Yeah. It's good. As tennis gas for me. Understand. No, I don't remember. When we were speaking sequels that we've didn't know were happening. Sherlock, Holmes three is still a thing. That's happening. It's moved back to nine December twenty twenty one with Robert Downey junior. Jude law ju- to reunite guy. Ritchie's name hasn't been on pressure leases for this when we don't want to know if he's directing. But if his move back that far he'll be well clear of Aladdin by then. So it's potentially possible clear. Well, we knew this was coming Helen because a sequel was never impossible. And of course, as you know, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however, improbable must be truth that is thing bellum entry, James. Really is. I, you know, it's going to be ten years after after lead last movie, a new might wonder if the iron has grown slightly cold in time having said that I really liked the two movies that they mate together the Richie law and Downey trio. So I'm excited about them returning to it. I think it could be it could be fun if he gets made. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just a little bit skeptical about that. But we shall see. I mean, they're they're both very demanding answers. And he's very busy director. So after an OC he's going to have all this MC you commitments as well down. After after game. It's going to be so many MC commitment. Stance cards can be of course lull. So in the nice, okay. Destroy the number of Thais, drew. All right. So Ghostbusters three news is beginning to filter in. We have the first bit of casting for this. And it is interesting because Carrie Coon, the great Carrie Coon has been cast as a single mum who we're told has a connection of some sorts to the original characters. So you're guessing wait. So the first piece of casting for this film is a woman. Pulled woman is political correctness gone mad. I intend to boycott this identity, politics, S, J W nonsense. She's not even real ghostbuster. It is possible some kind of very subtle reference. Current outcry of mobile the last one over Ghostbusters. Yeah. Cool. She's great. I can't wait. She's been tastic. So we I'm guessing that she's a daughter of an original ghostbuster makes sense. Yeah. Time wise, Peter daughter. Peter fake news seems like someone who might have been selling some wild oats from time to time. Cheyenne retiring? Yes. He is isn't he not total sleazebag when you go back and look at those movies. Oh, but anyway, so Carrie Coon is going to play a single mom who somehow gets caught up in ghost busting and her son in the movies going to be played by Finn, wolf heart. He of stranger things, and it fame and also the best name is show biz. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's fair on all three client. Yes. So early days yet. But I'm wondering if maybe they are living away somewhere. Maybe they're the owners of echo one, which we saw in that little teaser that Chason Reitman put up on the on the Twitter's early in the process in a barn. Barn summer. Yeah. So maybe this is a world which the Ghostbusters kind of no longer operate. But the the stuff still around maybe something happens, and maybe she has to get back on the horse. And then. All work on. Yep. Could over count. So that's gonna be out next year. Exciting stuff, indeed ending us. There was a trailer this week for good omens TV show, which is one that I'm particularly excited by it's I think it's one of these ones where it's a little bit hard to sum up the tone of the show may be an trailer. There's a lot going on angels demons and of the world anti Christ everything else. There's some old wig decisions with David Tennant's. But I'm still I'm still super optimistic the super excited about this. I think an incredible cast a ridiculous embarrassment of riches. You don't see all of them in the trailer actually be Michael sheen? Deva tenant and Joan ham in particular fronts as McDormand voicing gold Benedict. Cumberbatch as the devil Nicole front in there. Jack, white whole Michael McCain Miranda Richardson, it's it's a good is a good bunch of people so fingers crossed. Remember loving crime? And need to go back and take a look at that. A refresh my memory because I remember very little about it or read it salon go, but the fun, and I realized this isn't the pilot TV podcast. You guys mentioned the podcast on the guest. Really? Yes. Really? Yes. Really? Yeah. I mean, I know that because listen to religiously. That's good. That's good. An empire pilot crossover lost week Allen portrait special. That's right. And Boyd with Boyd was here. He was very good, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Much better than you would have been. He's TV's Boyd Hilton. He is TV Boyd Hilton. What was going to say I forgot what was going to say. Oh, yes. Came through. Trailer. A game of thrones. Now, I will start this by saying I haven't seen it. But you have you haven't seen the series all the trailer. Three of the show. Better. But I understand that willy wangle is back in it. And he survived the collapse of the great wall. Mr. Morley Willie wangle. Yeah. Which one's Willie wind. Go the Winfield hin anyway. I thought it looked good. I'm excited. We yes. Take take us through the Senator James for people who in this. Trailer your seeming, my Powell's Rico or up to this their dragons in its we see. Jamie, Lancaster, obviously having sort of turned coat from SAS and gone up to the north to fight for the living as he says squeeze in Dade the most say looking really worried, which is unusual. So looking like a boss. Incredible. But the the the exciting Shaw industries the best show. It says a bit was in waste deniro and John walking towards drug on and out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Clearly, she's gonna ride on strike. They can beat dragons. It's going to be. Amazing Williams aria looking terrified terrified. Door. Halter scandal with the army of dead creatures and under dragons coming tool temple. Yeah. He's running through corridors. There's some things specific that. You'll see I think I'm saying the gold company, the mercenary company seemed like so there's a bit of a wrinkle their new, you know, we see the on fleet at sea. We do. Chris a lot going on von fleet. Don't you? I'm huge the the our fleet. And I wonder if Bobby stairmaster will at long last return as the rightful head the this strikes me as some kind of really obscure random references owns stunt. Now. I'm just making up nine. This is coming soon. This monstrously exciting. I haven't been this excited about TV show in well, very long time. And speaking of ridiculous made up names can we talk about more via still living. We already knew Jared. Lisa would be starring as Michael Moore bis, but Jared Harris has now joined the cast as well, so many Jarrett's jinx. I don't know how many other Jared's there are for Hollywood to cast. But I look forward to them. Also joining this one absolutely Jared. Jared paddle Icke, John. Yes. He might get nipples out become R rated immediately being wouldn't it. Roughly pistol ever shot a hand, not true. But she has more or less deep on the fact that that will be the final. Thank God, we have. Do we ever really actually didn't talk about this? So we did we didn't discuss his of anybody in the podcast pink. As people don't know. What this as the rumor was that bonds twenty five was going to be called shadow hunt. We talked about Romney Malik being potentially the bad guy down last week show. We forgot to mention that might be called chatter hunt, which as an end Fleming. Name Sheringham's flooding comes from the canon. But is I would say. Yeah. It's a it's an alias blow. Feld has led people to speculate into surmise that may be crystal waltz would be back again as blue belt with his fans demand. Lisa von crystal won't. To go back to that one. But yes, our hand doesn't look like it's going to happen. It always seemed like more of a production titled to me than than actual name. But then, you know, they call the film quantum. This is true. Little bit of doubt, the Hildebrand rarity. This feels like that's got to be some kind of bond film, title generator. Someone on the only guy sixteen times. Quantum finger quantum never say quantum again. That's exciting. But yeah, we'll see what happens with twenty five and JIMBO amazed. You haven't talked about card yet because to cast members joined card TV shows. Wow. Okay. Breaking news. I'm like one Woodward and Bernstein. Yeah. It's almost as if I haven't actually bothered to look at the news this money guys to say, we're recording this at nine thirty on Thursday morning. We just could record their regular podcast at the regular time and to see in McKellen this afternoon. This you my young buttercup. I've seen that woman show. It's amazing looking for take quotes Coronation Street, and Gondal dream, everything you've dreamt off and more. Because because emissions old Muko. Patrick Stewart is gonna play Luc Picard once again TV show, Santiago Cabrera has joined the cast and he's going to be a pilot of the cards new ship. Whenever that as pretty sure is not the enterprise, and he also Hanley doubles as a skillful thief, whilst Michelle Hurd will play an intelligence officer who has an incredible memory, but also serious issues with drug and alcohol abuse. So I'm saying right off the bat that this is not your father's Picard this Shane meadows, the Star Trek. It does a little bit doesn't it feels like this one's going to be a little bit more warts and all than the next generation, which was basically some sort of futuristic utopia. Yes. Yes. And everyone was great and very few people had flaws on the enterprise, and here it's going to be big old flaws. Yeah. No, I'm as anyone who will visit to the podcast when I wipe out fairly regularly in Fatto will be revealing this news on the next. If I had just discovered it. So I look forward to that. No. I'm not. Aramis in the three musketeers TV show. Okay. Y'all sign off on this. All right. Three musketeers TV show. Yeah. There was. Yeah. It was on the BBC. I mean, it made no sense in terms of its decor. Mean they had clearly fourteenth influence buildings in the background of thirteenth set show. I mean, come on. But otherwise, it was fun. That's exciting. One or two of the show as well. And I love to see some of the old next gen cast mung up in this one. That'd be awesome pest. We'll raka. Yeah. Changed? I'm sure he stopped being passed think. Okay. We shall see two other really quick bits of news again with the Torah seems of chosen his next live action derogatory project and his first since winning the Oscar for the shape of water James's favourite film of last year. And it's going to be an action movie called sand battle produced for J J Abrams bad robot, and it's about a young woman with superior fighting skills. And that's all we know at this point in time. And there's every chance, you know, gambles like he loves dance card up then shuffled around bit and just seems pick random. So maybe this might be his next film. He's directing Pinocchio as well for Netflix. So we'll see what happens and leeann L his physical movie is moving ahead fast. And Elizabeth moss is in talks to appear or potentially disappear in not film. Not sure whether she would be the invisible man of type low whether it's even though be called me. This woman might be called invisible woman person visible person that which case fantastic four's lawyers would get fair interested, please season desist. And but that's good Casten. Good. Testing. So keep an eye on that one. And we have some very very sad news, of course, to wrap up the new section on. It is the death of Luke Perry. Yeah. I don't fifty two years old, which is incredibly young he'd had a stroke last week. So he he was surrounded by family when he died this week, but it was a real blow because for an entire generation of you know, man fund seeing persons. He was just a gold in the nineties as as Dylan in nine or two on. He was he was not just the sex. He was also a secretly really nice guy and a very caring person. And and so he was just catnip to to everyone. So, you know, I think he struggles a little to kind of escape from that image in that show, but he was really back on track. Actually, recent you know, he'd been doing work in in Riverdale on TV, which had the brilliant idea of, you know, hiring all these former teen stars to be the parents of its Team Stars. But he was just kind of. Reminder of how good he wasn't how much we liked him in the first place. The tributes poured in this week, and I'll have to say just every single one that I saw had a different story of how kind he was. And what a good person he was on just what a likable and humble guy. So I mean, I think that's a greater testament to him than anything else. He'll be he'll be sadly missed and for young age to go. Now, the one that does springs to mind, Colin Hanks story DC. Run a flight together in Kulla Hanks was in coach which I think also is very calling hikes thing is very, you know, seems to be a very nice guy who would fly coach when he could as we all know fly first class if he wanted to because he's Colin Hanks and the some kid making a racket in economy, and everyone's at the end of the tether, and suddenly this man emerged in a hat and sunglasses from first-class holding up a balloon and sort of proffered it to the kid and should it. Prostrate himself a form like a night and the kid the balloon and just shut up and not did the trick. And he walked back into I pass. And it was Luke Perry. So important he told Cullen that he carried balloons with him wherever he went in case, it was a screaming. As a as a father himself. He'd find this effect. Yeah. Absolutely Luke Perry who died this week at the age of fifty two time now for our second guest this week, and he is an absolute ruddy legend almost one of the people who needs no introduction by giving an introduction. Anyway, he's one of her favorite actors. He is when the coolest men in movies. He is of course, nNcholas j fury himself Samuel L Jackson who makes another appearance as Nick fury. But a different kind of Nick fury, a younger, Nick fury. A more idealistic Nick fury and with stereo vision. Wisteria officiant in this week's captain marvel. And I went loan to speak to him earlier on this week in a London hotel room. And I will say that I started off with the factual error, which he himself pick me up on. And I realized the minute I said that I was forgetting someone. So I was like, oh, yeah. Welcome to the empire podcast, man. Who's been more MCI films at anybody bar Stanley, some EU L Jackson was really? Yeah. Look. It up. And then I went all hang on. There's Robert any. So I forgot in the by man. But you don't really like our menu. So lukewarm on as you know, team cap until of course, cap does a terrible thing award that team Tonio away. But technically, speaking them, right? But also an ferry real way, I'm wrong. So if you look at it as some Jackson has been in nine films up to now. Okay. So he was in. I've got a list here. Go list. Hang on hang on hang on hang on hang. Okay. Okay. Helen, actually, you can get go. Helen, right. Yes, avengers. No, go is captain America. The first venture. Yes. I don't remember him Armand three because he wasn't an and then four to remember it wasn't and cap to definitely was. Yes. And. Age of ultra n-. Yes. K good. And. Six. This is this is really fascinating listening. Quizzes she'll help you show misery. All right. So he's in the post credits thing at the end of force seven. He's in a post credits scene at the end of offenders Infinity warrant, that's eight marvel makes it nine coming Spiderman far from home. We'll make ten okay. So here's the thing. Downey three Armagh movies three offenders movies fest, far captain, America's civil war is seven Spiderman homecoming makes it eight for Downey. But motherfucker he was in that brief scene at the end of a credible hog. But makes it nine so they're tied on nine eight. Now, I'm saying on Jackson's gonna be adventures endgame that will put him over the top. I'll give him one more than Robert Downey junior. So therefore, we've come full circle. I was rights way. Are you including endgame for dungeon? Yes. Ten for Downey junior. And it'll be eleven for San Jackson by the time far from comes out. So therefore, I'm right, you're wrong. Suck it hears me talking to Sam Jackson enjoy. We're delighted to be joined on the. Podcast by the star of captain marvel. And the man he's been a more MCI movies bar anyone? But STAN Lee summit L Jackson. How are you, sir? Is that true? It is true. Yeah. I made sure I double checked this one, you're exploiting young fury. What was that? Like a win. Did you know that this was going to happen when captain marvel do you get a call for Marvel's basically saying we need you? I had to conversation during the summer, and I talked to Brie, and she told me she was doing moving into base say that's gonna be mean used to hinder so true. Yeah. Okay. Let's see what happens those pretty much the way it happened. So you hear secondhand from from? I hand here from cab tomorrow. That's a very very good point. It's been a couple of years. I guess you really got a chance to dig into Nick fury, and this movie's fascinating because this is a sensually always the captain, marvel origin story as well. But it's very much. A Nick fury origin story as well. I think it is. Yeah. I mean, there's a whole half of his life that you don't even get to explore. You hear him talk about it. I was any army. May burke. Okay. And then then I was a spy. So you think there's more remote explore going back? Apparently, all the way, we'll be fun that would be fun. But in this when we get to learn a little bit more about the Cold War's de somewhere desk jockey. Yeah. And till he get something. Interesting happens. Oh, let's go out in the field is and get a woman's then into tongue season alien. But you look like us talk like us. So why do you think that? So is this something that you've been wanting to explore for awhile terms that happen to come up? Okay. That's what we're doing that. I'll do it. Great to kind of dig around in different aspects of people's personalities to see how they became they became. And this is like on those things of Nick discovery that we're not alone. It's like, okay. Once he accepts the fact that okay, they're aliens. And you know, she might be his first extraterrestrial, and then she takes him out there. And he sees all these things like, okay? So I'm sure the people above me knew about this. And then tell me about this, which is, you know, probably the beginning of his paranoia, and distrust, those people and him trying to figure out, you know, his threat assessment for that. And what he needs to do to prevent those guys from coming down and taking over. But this is a looser. Gouzer version of Nick fury. I'd say that we've seen before the whatever happens in the intervening years between the end of this movie, and you know, your first appearance in ironman, something happens to make him a little bit more paranoid. But the state of the world and this one, you know, there's there's one liners galore. You even get to sing it happens on times, you know. Yeah. Movies before sometimes successfully sometimes not. Efforts this time. This is short, you know, burst of songs works. The movie is set in nineteen ninety-five did that bring back any memories few particularly because nineteen ninety-five look at the Pulp Fiction come out the year beforehand, diehard defense was just about to come out. I think just after this movie set that must been a time for you. When you were thinking with things were changing for you. Interestingly enough. So when I think about the nineties, I just think about you know, pursuant and trying to build at body a work and. Seeking longevity. You know, what do I have to do next or trying to plot? A plan of do this kind of movie do that get a movie read this read that and as things came across, you know, still trying to find things that were interesting to me that I like that I will go and see if I was, you know, movie goer and not just something, you know, the to try and generate money, I was just trying to trying to do things. I was I had an opportunity to try and shape. What I was going to do at that particular time land while you're coming off the Oscar nomination for Pulp Fiction, the that change things for you was that the movie's been lodestone in a way that you look back does that mean jungle fever got me into Hollywood. That was the first thing that got me noticed by you know, whoever was producers powers that beta set of guy. Let's give him a chance to be some and jungle fever got me in Pulp Fiction. Anna opened another door or as Bruce said, you know, diehard kinda changed my life been the highest grossing film that year. So it may men international figure, so you know, things things things in drips and drabs. And then all of a sudden, you know, I was able to read three scripts and choose one or read five and do one, and they hold the other one till you were free kind of cool. After years of going the other way, I guess we'll go now dishes. Yeah. The audition process seems to be something that a lot of actors find quite difficult. There's a fear factor. But but then judging by your expression Sam that you don't agree with that. Is that is that fair to say, no fear mean going to additional just another opportunity to act to me when I was doing it. If I went to. Four dishes. One of the jazz was mind. I just felt that way. And when people didn't hire me I felt sorry for. Did you tell them that not to the facist sometimes later when I'd see some of those same casting directors nego? Remember, even you we are ready for something. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. You should've Caspian. Everything happens for a reason. Right. Exactly. I said that the Clinton when you know, so I'm after reservoir. Dow's addition for it and great movies who got your part because he remembered me reading, well, definitely would have been a better movie with me in it you made your choice. Now, you got a little bit. But then again, it's one of those weird things like sliding indoors moments. If you if you had booked Reservoir Dogs, ultimately gills might have gone somewhere else. Thanks do what they do things. Do what they there's that amazing, obviously, the seek you'll speech the first time you said that second time you said is very very different as well. But the first time that whole scene with with with Brett and intimidating killing. So what you call it. What are your memories of of of making that? Well, first of all, we shot the diner. The diner was the first thing we shot because I have no idea why that was the first thing, but we shot that first before we got to any of that other stuff. And then I was off like two months. Okay. We shot the down because I think Bruce was doing twelve monkeys. So they had to shoot him out. All right was doing something else. So they had shoot her out. So from September until December basically, did I did a play actually. And funnily enough to play idea Clark Gregg director. So play on Santa Monica waiting for the movie to crank back up for them to get back to me. So I didn't get a chance. And by the time, we came back we shot we started in the car and the con on Hollywood Boulevard, and then we got to the killing room, namely got to the car in the park and then Jimmy's house. The last thing. Yes. Yeah. So it was a it was a no around about process. That's amazing. I'd always thought that went non shot it as largely largely as he could. No, but shooting diner scene. I that's that's fascinating. Because I guess it was having the location funny because all the people sitting in the place, Dr John now cops. They had no idea. What was going? Okay. So you delivered the sequel speech I in in the in the sort of the moment would gills has revelation. Well, that's he's already had. He's already had the the piffle up at the apartment. So he's just sitting in a restaurant, you know, telling them interestingly enough in the regional script. I don't even know in the published grip. Do they have I'm I'm I'm I've never seen the public script. But in the original script when Tim I comes over to the table and ask what's in the briefcase, and I tell him I can't give it to him. He tells me he's gonna you know, he's gonna count the whatever shoot me in the face. I actually closed my eyes, and I shoot him and I blow Honey bunny off the top of that bar and about a time. He gets the three in our opened my eyes still there because that's what I would've done before. You know, always want. Quinson not using. I don't wanna going on. But you wrote it, but did not set you up in a way that gave you something to contrast against when you came to the killing room sequence unto done all that stuff. I mean, I knew what was going to happen. I knew how those things are going to play out just because of what had happened prior to in. You know, that whole thing when all of a sudden they will thinking about casting somebody else's gills, and I had to fly to LA from New York while I was shooting fresh to get some acting contests with another actors, so they can make up their mind. And they were really, oh, you really oughta guy we want not that other guy. Like stupid, but it happened. I'm going back to Nick fury and the MC. Some interviews this week for ventures and game spoke to Scarlett Johansson, let's talk to her about what Kevin Feige has said to her when she signed on for ironman too. And had you know, had he painted the whole picture, you know, the the offenders, and how might go, you know, going forward. She said, no, basically that it was basically leap of faith in many ways. And what was your experience like because you're onboard rifling beginning with with Nick fury, right there at the end of iron, man. What if I say to you nothing? As I continued over the years. Well, no and continued over years. But I mean when when I signed on, and you know, I got the nap picture deal. It was like. How long stay allowed to may nine movie. Because, you know, making a movie will not easy process during the time you figure, well, maybe they may want a year maybe every year and a half to make new I didn't know they were gonna make nine movies in two years. You know? So that was nothing, you know, really talk about it was more. It was actually more about Jackson was about them really in my mind. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Josh was the comic book guy. He he had come jargon. He had a specific way. He wanted to talk. You know, you couldn't add little words or conjugate in certain ways because he didn't want you to get that way. 'cause book people didn't talk that way. So he was real strict about that. And be like sitting in Irene coming. I know people do talk this way come up over. So he was that guy. And like, I said, nah, pits deal. So I knew they weren't gonna kill me. One of those. So so what you gonna do fire me? You can't fire me. Yeah. I'm free pictures. I'm good. What are you going to get us agent technology? Doc was being an Albuquerque had it was fun. Albuquerque not your taste. So pretty quick. And do they got nice golf courses? I enjoy I enjoy playing golf in Albuquerque. Your dietary restrictions are. Yeah. We talk very quickly as well. Some about the I think the greatest Nick fury moment to date and the MC which is the the car taxation in the winter soldier, which is amazing. Probably the best action scene in the in the hill. MC today. It's fantastic. What was that experience? Life. Cool. None of us going to happen. Jeez. Took about ten two days. You've got things great for different kinds of vehicles. It was like, it was awesome. If you're a, you know, you get to see Nick fury in his full control modes like, Nope, panic. You know? Okay. You're doing this. Okay. I'm going to do this. This is what's happening now. Let me get together. Okay. Man. Pull them and pull them in and kill them. Let's go, you know. So a lot of fun doing it. And it was like for me. Like, okay. This is the ultimate fury moment. Yeah. To get this done, and then you know, disappearing through the whole car the floor the cars like. It is cracking. There's there's a line in the offenders where twenty stark asks how does fury see this? Because he was he got the patch. Someone says he turns twenty says sounds exhausting. So I have to ask about your acting style with the patch on do you turn an is it exhausting? You got to pivot a bit more sign. You don't turn key people guessing, keep yourself guessing just just answer. Works. And the very last thing. I'm gonna do is. You're a big Liverpool fan. I'm a big liberal van today. Right. One five now. Okay. Cool as amazing to see them often. When you're in u k do you get up to been I haven't been to the stadium in a few years pass by a couple of years ago when I was doing miss peregrine. We drove down live from Blackpool hung out for you know, when they ate some stuff, but they weren't playing that day. So I didn't get to go to gain. But at home. Okay. We'll see. Nothing's go up road ahead ten games. But there's one thing I wanna say which is there is a point last season. When Liverpool won a game. You would tweet Liverpool. And it was one of the things I look forward to most after Liverpool win this season top league doing pretty well. And you seem to stop the white. Why is that? Well, I might of Jake's them last year. So. Fuck that up this year. Some leaving them alone to let happens. Do it at the end. Fantastic Jackson's been a pleasure. Okay. So that was Sam Jackson. And I think it behooves us to talk about the movie in which he stars this week. It is a little film called captain marvel the twenty first film in the marvel cinematic universe and Helena harra who wrote the review of captain marvel as here right now. Helen, what can you tell us about this film without spoiling ended? Obviously, we'll be doing that sport especial. So we open on the planet of Halla. Basically, we meet varies. She's initially. No in various, she's initially. No who is reloaded since Carter. She's not an easy action doesn't quite know where she belongs. And she's living fighting with the Cree who are engaged in a war against the shape shifting scroll through a series of events. She ends up chasing the scroll to earth, which you've you've seen in trailers. You'll know that's coming on working with some Ila Jackson's Nick fury to figure out where they are. What's happening? And indeed she begins to realize she might have passed on. And she may be able to figure out who she herself is. Booze. It's basically the bone Infinity. Because she's got mad skills. She's been fight training with Jude law's yon rogue. Give you'll kill warcraft. I can never remember on wrong. It's a really nice yogurt. Strawberry flavored delicious. Anyway, you know, she she basically is this formidable fighter, but she just doesn't have her place in the world. She doesn't know where she comes from. She doesn't know who she is. She's trying to figure that out. And it's only when she kinda got start that she begins to learn who she is. So I mean what seminar review? I I think I'm right is that this does take a bit to get going think, it's a real problem of having an Asia. Back hero or heroine is that they don't know who they are. Therefore, it's hard for you to kinda grasp onto them initially. And I think because she's very strong because she's very forthright, and very, you know, she poking fun at people all the time making jokes. It's quite hard to see how maybe insecure or or on merge, she feels and I think maybe would have been helpful to get a little bit more of that early on in the film because then we may be sort of simplysafe bit more with her plight, which is a plight is she is a, you know, difficult situation. But also, the the the the movies filmmakers drive to buy Anna Boden on Ryan Fleck co writing credit as well, they make very interesting choice. It's a bit like Thawra, I guess in the west official water tells you have this really powerful being coming to earth, and Carol, despite the fact sheet discombobulated Bissett disaffected by things is also ferry supremely confident in her own abilities. She's very cocky character, which I really enjoyed. So maybe that means that some of the emotional. Blanks that need to be filled in aren't there in the first first half or so they they come later on? Yeah. I think that's I think they're they're a little bit too focused on making her caulking confident. And there's a good thing. It make sense that she would be. But we also learned that she does have a bit more to go in a bit more to learn about herself. And so just a few more hints that would have helped that said, I think once she starts working with fury things really take off the DA aging work on Samuel is pretty stunning through. There's a couple of moments where you can maybe say something looks old with his makeup. But generally, it's it's phenomenal phenomenal work and the two of them. Just have is really great old couple of chemistry. It's kind of nice to see someone explaining things to him for wants to say. Say. But it's also it's just a really nice dynamic that both kind of you know, sarky and tough, I guess and very capable but in very different ways. So it kind of works. So yeah, I just I just really enjoyed it. I think it really builds. I think it's one of the most for me satisfying finales of any marvel movie. It does take a little bit of time to get going. There's lots of great moments along the way, but just as we say that sort of emotional art takes a little bit of time to kick in. But I did really really like ended up and I'm really excited. See what she doesn't feature. Yeah. It's really good. This is this is a film, which I the amount of misplaced hatred for this on the internet makes me want to say, it's a five star classic in your old twats. And I hate you all unfortunately, do that. I didn't think it was one of the film's where I do think. It's great. I recommend everyone. Go and see it. But I liked them loved it. I think I think Paul the issue with it for me was I felt the script was at times a little bit flat. There were elements where I wasn't bold. But. It wasn't a great deal going on in the wave action. It wasn't a great deal going on in the way of humor, and it was just sort of like meat and potatoes plot movement, which is fine. And there's nothing wrong with that. But when the ball has been raised so high by the likes of Infinity will it's hard not to want more of that. And I know that's incredibly privileged to say. I want all films to be like this. But I think it speaks volumes that, you know. I don't think it's a huge. Let's say that there are hints towards and game in this. And those are the really got my pulse rice and just oh my God. This is the appetizer to a film, which is going to be incredible. So very good in and of itself, but bring on I. Yeah, I think it's interesting when you say there, I think the action scenes in this are are fine. But nothing really gets the blood racing. I would say in the way that for example, winter soldier does with the level of your the level of invention. I think to like a feels quite by the numbers that said all of these Christmas relied on a superb in this row. And I think even though the script is at times. I think she breathes life into sections that someone else maybe wouldn't have done in the same way. I think she she really does elevate it as the character of well Charalambous most much captain marvel because that's nine that was really applied. But but yeah, she she's really really good on. I think anyone who's hiding on her at the moment really can just going. Yeah. And this is twenty one movies in the first solo superhero movie, featuring a woman in in the title role was we had on the wasp last year. And it's co-directed, of course, by woman as well abode. And it certainly is about a woman making her way in a in a man's world. And coming up a saw an interview this week. There's a moment in the film on spoil too much, obviously. But it's moment in film, where some do bike tells Carol danvers to smile and very very fun. And there was need to be Larson where she said Spacey, just a female experience. That's just normal. Sorry. How you smile a bit more when you say, please. Okay. To kill him. Yeah. Also, I as a child of the nineties myself, I loved all the. Tara, T shirts and check shirts you ice. Took me back. The female experience. The female experience. Well, man, I can say the female experience really is excellent. That wasn't offline kids. That's why the ending the film works. So well for me, but it actually does get into that precise points. And I'm not gonna get spoil anything more than I have my review on that point. But it's I think it's a really really powerful message at the end of the day. And and there are a lot of men in this film guys being left out. Yeah. Dude. Mendelssohn Clark, Gregg when he's everywhere. Scene. Well, he scrolls. Yeah. I was I really really enjoyed your view to the extent that having seen the film and light having read your view. I like it more now in spent genuinely those. Oh, really? It's made me appreciate more in retrospect. So I do recommend everyone read Helen's review, which is on at the moment. Don't let the facts was written by woman put you on guys. Yeah. This is not written humanity for women's. Yeah. I need see this scene. At once. I liked it. I had a lot of fun with it. But there are probably get into in these sport, especially in great detail. But one of my issues with the film feels a little bit like something we've seen before the Cozma stuff feels at Garnsey galaxy the the the stuff on earth feels like Thor I little bit. It's always the little bits and pieces in different flavors in there as well different textures. But I don't think it gave his anything new in the way that Black Panther did with Kanda in the way that ant man did with his shrinking powers and with the quantum realm and the way that doctor strange did visually certainly least with the different universes. I think because you've done a little bit more with nineteenth setting to to kind of justify that and give us a bit more of that flavor of the new time period or the old time periods. I would like to have seen a little bit more of that. But at the same time, it's this feels a bit to me like the first avenger, which has become over time one of my favorite movies baloney. I don't care. You know, it feels like something Sesing up stuff it will pay off in the future. And that might mean that we go back and watch this and like even more than we than we do ready. And so, yeah, I'm I'm I'm really excited to see it again. I haven't had a chance yet more than once. And I'm very much looking forward to it. Because I think like a low of marvel films for me, I think it's going to be a grower. We will see it again. No before we record our sports specialty to let the know. So we won't be just fatally fumbling around the dark wolf discussing this movie sport, especially will be up on Monday, March eleventh and will feature an in-depth spoiler. If interview with the film's co directors and co writers, Anna Boden on Ryan flick has going to be very very interesting indeed four stars in for captain marvel. Now, we go from captain marvel which is a film beset by trolls to film about trolls and is border the Swedish film border. It is a film like let the right one in based on a story by John at vide link fist, and I apologize. I know we have a lot of Swedish listeners, and I have just a. Pulled you with my pronunciation, I'm so sorry on this one stars even Lander as Tina who is a security guard. She's a a border patrol officer in Sweden, and she has an unique ability. She has very interesting appearance. She's quite troll like because turns out spoiler alert. She is indeed a troll one of her unique abilities is the ability to sniff evil, essentially, smells evil, if you will as she begins to track down sort of paedophilia ring, and of course, of her judy's she comes into contact with another troll for play by Eero Millan off. And they start a unique relationship together on it's a foia of discovery for her. And it's I thought this was fascinating though, is pretty terrific actually, really really great makeup, which enhances has enter performances from from the the core GIO, and is his wonderful story. It's not like lettering. One in in that. It's not particularly scary. It doesn't have the snowbound setting. But plays with similar themes of isolation. Plays with similar themes that what it means to be human. And it's about nature I nurture as well. And it's about a teen is discovery of discovery as she goes from being this person who has no idea how she fits into the world. But she knows something's not right an gradually. It begins to click into place for her as well. And it goes into some unexpected directions. Shall we say? So it is directed by Allie Abbasi, and it is well worth your time. If you can go out and see tonight, in fact, in a weird weird weird weird way. It makes it very nice Tila Bill with captain marvel lots of the Matic similarities going on there in this one. So four stars in for border. Check it out if you can this weekend also opening this week is a British movie called Ray and laze which is debut of the noticed photographer. Richard billingham. We haven't seen this one ourselves, but we gave it at empire four stars. And it as apparently a wonderful startling series of Finn yet if you will that peer into the life of the. Title card just Ray and Liz who live on a council states in the black country during the Thatcher era. So four stars in for Ray. And Liz, right. Yeah. Very weak very very good week in deeds. And that is it for this week's empire podcasts. More early starts for testing future. How do you? How do you feel when good the way, you know? Join us next week for more related fundable. We'll be joined by Andrew Garfield star of under the silver lake and also then didn't Simon I'm still writer and director of the new film Benjamin, cool, how exciting it's about the Benjamin Benjamin lines of interviews of happened yet. There's every chance that I might have egg faces, but that is who we have on the spreadsheet you usually have act on your face. Anyway, I've told you try your sandwiches more neatly, but I don't like egging sandwiches. Oh, well that jokes then. No, nobody the joke fell flat. Helen. But I think listeners have learned a little bit more about me and are little bit more enriched dealing your sandwiches. Jess James, only if it's heated with sausage. We're back to stroking. Once again figure weekend plans if in late pretty s okay on that bombshell. Until we meet again until at a special occasion goodbye from James Dyer. It'd be back. I thought go full only, you know, just shits and giggles. All right. Okay. It is goodbye from Helena, Hira annus get by for me, I'm off to give captain marvel zero percent on rotten tomatoes. But try for the last couple of weeks for some reason it just won't take. What is that? What's up with that? So weird so strange. So so weird anyway, thanks for listening cenex week by.
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