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COVID-19 and children in care

The Current

18:46 min | 5 months ago

COVID-19 and children in care

"I'm Jonathan Goldstein host of wiretap each week. You're invited to listen in on my telephone conversations whether funny, sad, wistful or even slightly strange. You never know just what you might hear on wiretap I show I didn't think that people actually listened to it. The breath your genius, it's not just that you're funny, but you can be cripplingly pointedly depressing. The wiretap archives available on CBC. Listen spotify, apple podcasts and wherever you get your podcasts. Is a CBC podcast. There's some of our most vulnerable children kids in foster care, and for many of them and their families. The physical distancing restrictions of this pandemic are making life even harder. David Miller is a child. Protection lawyer in Toronto David Good Morning. Good Morning. This pandemic mentioned has been difficult on all of us. Tell us a little bit of what's Kids in care are going through. How much access have those children had with birth families during this difficult time? So in in mid March, when the endemic was really taking hold, and the state of emergency was declared in Ontario most children's aid societies across the province suspended all in person family access for children and care, and it was, it was a blanket suspension, or for all families whose for all children, no exceptions. So most children in foster care they didn't see their parents face to face it through the end of March through April through May. this month. It started to open up with them in person access but there are still many children who have yet to see their parents in person. Since this started. What's what we're talking? About two or three months. What's the effect? Of that in the short term, but also in the long term. So. This causes harm. When we stop killing from having meaningful relationships with their parents, it's a it's a trauma to them. That's their the the parent child attachment it's that's where they get their source of safety and security. and when they lose that that's that's that's a trauma, definitely short-term, but there can even be long-term permanent effects so the. The they have been providing brutal access for the for for children. So that that can be helpful for older children so through facetime skype, or what's that those kinds of programs? Because older children they often maintain their their their connections through through texting video calls they. They live online. They live in social media but for for young children for babies for infants They need in person contact to form and maintain attachments with their parents. Video actresses virtually meaningless, these restrictions were put in in the midst of a public health crisis, and we've seen the effect of them across the spectrum you have. People who are unable to see their family. We have people who are. Reaching the end of life and they're being kept apart from from loved ones. All of this is done to prevent the virus from spreading. Why should these cases that you're talking about an and work that you do in child protection? Why should that be any different? Might be less troubled by the how how to foster. Kids are being treated the children in foster care it all Ontario children were being treated that way, but but they're not. For. For Children of divorced and separated families, the presumption has been children should see both parents Because, we recognize the importance of of child relationships with both parents and especially in a time of crisis. There's there's every time you see someone else. Yes, there is extra risk what I'm. What what I advocate for involved extra risk to maintain that fundamental parent child relationship, but there's also extra risk. To go to the grocery store. There's extra risk with respect to everyone who was going to work at what were deemed essential services. and. In my view parenting, the parent child relationship should be essential service. You have also raised concerns about What's been happening? WHOA when it comes to changes at the government made around foster homes in the midst of this pandemic just briefly outline those concerns. So the concerns about The foster homes is that there was. When this all started! they were concerned. Some foster parents did not keep the children that they had they would. They did not want the children to be there. Due to the extra risk. Perhaps they had their own health problems or someone older in their home. most would not take. In and probably more most importantly, many foster parents said if there's access to the parents by child, they wouldn't keep the child so. That the government loosen the standards to have foster homes taking children. They allowed foster homes to take in more children than before they allowed inspections to be done virtually so through the telephone by video with not having not having not going to the foster home, they allowed health. Assessments of people who were the foster parents or people who worked in the foster homes They wouldn't need those those health because there were some difficulty to get them during during that period of time since so standards were loosened. Which? Led to it being a less safe environment for children, the Ministry of Children, community, and social services in the province of Ontario Cintas a statement that reads in part children's aid. Societies and residential licensees are still required to meet all legislative regulatory and policy requirements that protect the safety and wellbeing of children that includes things like safety assessments for places, of safety and physical inspections of the home conducted in person, or are you confident? That is as the site starts to up. Some of those checks will be put back in place. I I. Certainly Hope So. I certainly hope so. Things are opening up now I'm seeing it I am seeing it in access in person access to starting so I'm hoping to seem opening up will apply to the foster homes as well. As we go into phase two I guess I'm I guess. I'm I'm also concerned. What if there's another wave all? This starts again. For, those bastards David Miller good to speak with you about this, thank you. Thanks. Matt David Miller Child Protection Lawyer in Toronto. He's on the board of the Interior. Association of Child Protection Lawyers. Kevin Harris has been listening in. He's a foster parent and president of the Canadian foster family. Association Kevin Good Morning to you. Your morning. What is this experience in this pandemic been like for your foster child. Well, I, think some of what David had shared is very relevant far for all kids in Cara, the the opportunity in the need for kids to. How that relationship with the with their biological family is important as far as. As, just keeping them connected in helping them through their life experiences, and so for us our our children, our long-term with us, but we still try to maintain family connections, and so not being able to. Allow that in person. does create a little bit of angst and anxiety for for kids and I think you know we make decisions based upon fear. as David kind was alluding to Maybe not always are the the best decisions made for those for our kids that are are going through this Dislikes situation. There's a cultural imperative to that connection. I mean you. You want to say obviously connected to birth parents, but. Many kids and we know that indigenous children black children are over represented in the larger picture of foster children, and there is an important thing keeping those cultural connections alive. Can those be disrupted in a moment like this? Oh, absolutely we. We found that with our children and one of them being indigenous and being able not able to go into the community with all of the suspension of the various cultural. Celebrations, and gatherings does create that disconnection so for us. It was important for our our our child to be able to participate in powers and those types of cultural activities that take place, because it's important for us that routes, and making that connection with family in in those. Instances and so yeah, it's it's difficult because we missing out on those things which were for us, it was an important part of life experiences, and so we're hoping some of might come back later on, but at this point in time even sporting. Being going into the communities are restricted, so if you're not living in the community, then you again for health reasons, they're not allowing anybody commend so that creates a little bit of of again anxiety for I wish I could see my grandfather's or my aunt from my own kids and again the fear that David raised is that this could come back? We could be in for a second wave of this so in the last minute or so that we have. What would you recommend? Governments do differently if we have to go back into lockdown. Good question I think it's. Trying to find ways to keep our kids connected true. There's virtual, but you know providing personal protective equipment for for families. I think is important I'm not sure that that was done throughout. All of the jurisdictions whether that was provided again giving giving access to that for the children and the posture care system, but also for the foster parents as well, and and then trying to encourage Safeway's of connecting to them. Physical Paci, visual visual touch is really important for for building relationships. Coming to speak with you about, but good luck, thank you. Thank you Kevin. Harris is a foster parent and the president of the Canadian Foster Family Association. He was in Scotland. Throughout the nineteen eighties, a strange phenomenon with sweeping North America. They were in a panic and like people in a panic they want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults, torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is. There were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later. The people touched by it all are still picking up the pieces. To Work of fiction. This is a work of history. Satanic panic. The latest. Cover. Available now. I'm Alina hundreds. Lyle and I'm her than the Rodwell and we're the hosts of inappropriate questions. Did you lose weight? How're you doing? How'd you get pregnant Dr People? Who have been off these questions we ask where these questions come from, and we learned some more respectful of been curious. Whether, you've asked an inappropriate question or been asked an appropriate question gum. Get inappropriate with us. Inappropriate questions is available now you can find it on the CBC. Listen APP or wherever you find podcasts. There have been hardships as you heard from many foster children during the pandemic, but at this might have actually presented an opportunity for others. You may have heard the term aging out. It means that kids in care get to an age where they stopped being able to access the same resources they used to rely on quite suddenly. They are left without a support system. The pandemic has changed some of that Shan. Ratnam is a child advocate and the CO founder and Executive League of the Ontario. Advancement Coalition Schon good morning to you. Hi Not. Thank you for having me today. Thanks for joining us. Tell me just briefly about aging out and from your own experience. What that's like. Yeah, so aging out basically means that the at the age of eighteen you are cut off from the system. Even the terminology of aging out is problematic, because we're not voluntarily aging out into adulthood or back into the community and so you know, and just to clarify as well before I go further into this I heard the other seekers utilize, and also just a segment utilize the term foster care and I think that. That that needs to be addressed as well we shouldn't be utilizing foster care as an umbrella term for the child welfare sister system, because it raises the inequities and different system realities, young people from cheating facilities group homes, etc, and you know in my experience of aging out I was so scared when I was turning eighteen, because I had created such amazing relationships with people and staff within my group homes, so I grew up. Up In, group homes, and so aging out with such a variety spills face for me but even still like you know when we're talking about the current pandemic for Covid, nineteen before this pandemic even began there has been a pandemic in the province of Ontario and across the nation and dot pandemic is that these age indicators of age cutoff by the systems of forcing young people at the age of eighteen to grow. Grow a Cape or wings and go out, and how can you be by? Themselves has been pandemic because they enter the floodgates into pipelines, such a homelessness poverty meant to help systems hospitalization, the adult prison system at setup, and we also know that statistically speaking in southern Ontario black people and families are disproportionately represented in the child welfare system and in northern Ontario for example, indigenous young people are overrepresented in the system and so. Given that what happens in in the pandemic because there was a big change and the change could actually benefit. It seems strange to say, but the change in pandemic could actually benefit some of these people. Yes, so the moratorium was actually a very important step and people who say that the moratorium is useless. The are completely wrong because they're not looking at it. From the critical Lens, the Moratorium Stopped Age cut offs at eighteen, but also for the care maintenance benefits that you get after. The age of twenty one as well and so because the freezing happen. Young people are still able to access the benefits that they were before, and also they were in safe spaces, and around people that they trusted during a pandemic instead of being by themselves and navigating the system and the community by themselves amid pandemic. Is there the possibility that that could continue after the pandemic? Me Is the possibility that that could continue after the pandemic that it's not just a temporary moratorium, but this leads to a change in that aging process. This is something that we're hoping for however, the problem. Is that right now? The system is based on age indicators, and we cannot go back to that system. We need to be dismantle some deconstruct that system and do a reset, and so, what does the reset really mean? What can it look to us and other advocates as well the reset look like a whole new system that is not based on age indicators. It should be based on readiness indicators, and so, what is your indicator writing? This indicator is based on whether the young person at this point of turning eighteen is ready to be independent and. And if they're not what are some indicators to show US up there being prepared to be able to go into the community, but himself to be independent and successful some indicators can be having a better social support system, and this is not just about the number of people around them. It's about the quality of people around them as well for ambitious young people for example one of the things that I've heard from indigenous young people to Pacific is that when they're in the child welfare system, they seldom are connected to elders who are able to provide elder ship and knowledge keepers and so. Our our and business young people connected before the age of as well Another thing is, have they been? You know assisted with documentation. That's important, not every young person within the child. welker system is a Canadian citizen, and we often forget that there are people without status in limbo status Reggie status, and so we do not want to cut off. From the child welfare system and happened goes to community without status. So how are we supporting people in terms of getting that documentation done? Using this as a moment, you see this as an opportunity, this is a crucial vital moment where we can really make impactful meaningful change and not just go back the system that was never working. This has been an ongoing issue. People have been homeless or aging out of the system I. Know People who have died aging out of the system. We need change right now, and we cannot afford to go back to a system in terms of. In terms of supporting young people Ontario's children. We need something different. We need something based on readiness and not age indicators, and we need something that really legislates and really incorporate kindness and quote. Unquote love what we're doing. When we treat people like family, we do not feel them. Through this moment it feels as though some things are being revealed, and we're learning about parts of society that perhaps people were not aware of or they took some of those systems for granted now whether it comes to income whether it comes to how we treat people who are temporary foreign workers, or who is in the child welfare system, and how they're treated as they age, this is one of those learning opportunities will see whether it seized upon China's good to speak with you about the thank you. Gift Is a child advocate. She's also co founder of the Interior. Children's advancement coalition and she was in Scarborough Ontario. For more CBC podcasts. Go to CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.

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Mental Health and Cancer

This is Why

20:19 min | 1 year ago

Mental Health and Cancer

"Mental health parenting. Losing your hair. These are all aspects of cancer treatment. That we don't always talk enough about I'm Nikki right. Meyer and this is why I'm Megan Cole. AM and online national reporter for the lifestyle team here Global News Hi. I'm Marty Patel. I'm the National Online supervising editor for lifestyle. A Global News. Meghan already are working on a series for Global News that explores various aspects of the human experience with cancer treatment. They thanks shared with me. The stories of people who may met along the way Serena was diagnosed with non Hodgkin's lymphoma when she was just twenty three years old so so she had been having symptoms. She didn't really know were lymphoma symptoms but one day the they just got so bad. She went to the emergency room. And after a flurry flurry of x rays and tests. They found a tumor behind her sternum. That was crushing her lungs and making it difficult to breathe so it was really sort of it. All happened happened at once for her. She went from walking into the emergency room. One day to a three week hospital stay. She was given a biopsy emergency surgery and then and thrown into her. First round of Chemo and radiation and it was pretty. It was pretty overwhelming for her. I mean she was only twenty three years old so she kept saying doctors things like. When can I go home? What should I tell my boss at work? You know. It's a brand new job. And so she was really overwhelmed and sort of didn't really grasp what was going on an until about a week into her hospital. Stay where it started to hit her and she says she just started crying and she felt really alone and isolated and sort of just in shock. But what had just happened to her. Well I can imagine. I mean getting a cancer diagnosis at any any age would be difficult but at twenty three years old. You're not mentally prepared for that to be something that you're going to go through absolutely and I think a big problem that Serena found was that in her treatment. Nobody ever really stopped to ask her how she was doing in a non-physical non-physical way so all it was all hands on deck trying to beat this cancer as quickly and as efficiently as possible. But it was. It wasn't really until she spoke up to say. Hey you know I'm feeling sad. I'm feeling isolated. I'm feeling overwhelmed that then. She was assigned a psychologist through the hospital. Aw where she starts. She had placed then to sort of share how she was feeling mentally but until then it was kind of just like okay. Now you're a cancer patient you know. Here's what we do to treat cancer but it wasn't really here's what we do to treat cancer and also your mental health while we're going through this. has there been more of a shift in that regard recently only two focusing not so much exclusively on the physical but also on a person's mental health there definitely has been a shift. I think emblematic of the larger societal shift to talking more about mental health. It's less taboo. People are more likely to reach out and ask for help but one thing I heard from experts in the industry Sri was that it's still. It's still a massive struggle and a lot of doctors and oncologist and those people on the front lines. They struggle to see past the physical cancer as being the only threat when in reality your mental health and mental illness that can happen sort of intend them with cancer can be equally as life threatening so while there has been some improvements made. There's still a long way to go. I I think in terms of making it. So that right when you get that cancer diagnosis. From the first moment you discover you have cancer. You have someone a mental health professional assigned to you every step of the way helping you cope with that in a from a mental emotional perspective did Serena mention to you how she's doing now. How physically quickly? She's doing now but also how her mental health is today so her mental health is definitely better but she has discovered over her treatment and after treatment treatment that to get the care she needs for her mental specifically. She needs to advocate for herself. And she's been able to do this by speaking up and asking for help and constantly talking about how she feels mentally and emotionally about her situation but she has mentioned that it. It's really difficult especially if you don't necessarily know the language to use if you don't know how to describe that you're feeling depressed or if you're feeling angry that that can be really really tough to to move past so for now for her that her cancer journey was a huge learning curve for her in terms of advocating for her own mental health. But it still all is something. She deals with on a day to day basis. So what about the mental health of caretakers people who have loved ones who are seeking cancer treatment. My name is Rosalia. I have a father who has been diagnosed with glue. Blast Oma unactivated. GM and this is my story Dad is an incredible person. He's done so much in his life very active everywhere from being a semi any professional cyclist to an avid outdoorsman. Always active in the community especially the Italian community and always out there to given any hand to whoever needs it. He'll give the shirt off his back if you need it so shocking was it for you and for your whole family and for your father. When he received his first this cancer diagnosis it was? It was strange what we suspected it was was I minor stroke because he does have higher cholesterol cholesterol than normal but he he. He had a clean bill of health. So I thought Oh you know you got a minor stroke cause those symptoms of of group. I still know very similar to a minor stroke and when we went to the hospital I forced him to go to the hospital And we found out within three hours that in fact it was a large tumor within seven days of his initial diagnosis. You know so. He did undergo brain surgery and they successfully removed canter so it was successfully removed however this glue blast Obama has tentacles and does regenerate eventually so we knew that we took every precaution with BC cancer. You know he went through Talk Radio Station Chemotherapy. Everything and up until the end of August everything was looking great. His eyes were coming back clear and in two and a half weeks ago we had another. Mri I and it showed that another tour has started to grow and getting hit with. That is another blow. I know this is a difficult cancer to treat but it is it. You know doc plays with you because we go well what next and when you do ask what next. Unfortunately they say there's nothing more we can do and they hand into your sheet on politics care. I kept it together in front of him because they didn't want to show him that you know. I thought this was really bad At the time because for him that you know when he told he was is in shock. I was in shock. But it's not until you actually go home and leave the hospital where everything starts to set in and mentally yeah. It's hard hard to tell you. No I tell my mother I had to call my sister. I had to start telling other people in my life of work that hey you no. This is what's happening and once you start telling people it starts to sink in even more. It's not just something you read or get told it's something that you're actually living so that mental capability of yourself you gotta be aware of what's going on because you can go stir crazy. Did you find that talking to other people people about what you're experiencing. What you were feeling was helping you cope better? Yes I do have a friend who is about thirty eight years old with the exact exact same cancer and I actually turned to him to talk to about what to expect and how everything is and get someone else's opinion Nyan that's actually going through it and understanding on my side of things what I can do to help my father out so finding a support network has been really critical. All for you in regards to take care of your mental health as you go through this yes absolutely. I have really really good group of people around me that check in with. That's me or if they you know quite active myself then if they don't see me somewhere they're like are you okay. You know I is everything okay. Hey Is there anything I can do with the help. I've gone so many messages. I'm very fortunate that I do have a good group of people around me and that actually is a huge thing. If someone there's going through this and you don't have that you know family to support your friends really there are groups out there that can help you and I suggest that anybody that needs then. You need to talk because you can't do it alone you know. There's that saying keep it together but sometimes you know it's okay not to keep it together. It's okay to cry cry. I have a great partner who helps me out He's been really great when I have my moments where I unfortunately unleash on him. I'm a little bit. He realizes you know it's not an argument thing for him to come back with it. Okay let's talk about what's going on and that's very valuable. Aw You know I'm dealing with my mother sister as well and you know. My sister doesn't live here so giving her information and keeping her involved in my mom this is her life partner and for her. It's a really scary so for myself. I'm trying to navigate through all these personalities and then including my own going. You know trying to understand fully how I can actually myself through exercise talking. You know doing things that I love to to do But being okay with doing nothing as well do you have one sort of final piece of advice vice for anyone who is listening to this. Who can relate in some degree to what you're going through as far as taking care of their mental health goes? It's if you're like me you like to say yes to everyone and help everyone and do as much as you can and just for your own mental wellbeing. It's okay to say no to things that you probably would have said yes to before and there's nothing wrong with that and also taking moments for yourself through. I mean for some people. It might be meditation for myself. It's through exercise and being around positive the people. Because you really really need that and that self-care Adage is really needed in times like these coming up later in this episode one thing that really struck me when speaking to her is even though she he was diagnosed with cancer. The only thing that she was thinking about was her child will hear the story of an Ontario woman who was pregnant when she received her. Cancer your diagnosis. You're listening to this. Is why a national radio show and podcast from global news download and subscribe online now now Fiona Kingsley Boyer. She's thirty two years old for some Scarborough Ontario abused. She was pregnant with her second child. When she was six months pregnant she started to notice that her legs and she was really itchy so just like any sort of expecting parents she went online? She searched up her symptoms and she read a one point that this was a normal symptom of being pregnant so she didn't think much about it one day. She was eating her doctor just regular checkup and he had noticed a lump on on her neck. So this is when Fiona I started to really freak out a little bit. She had a little bit internal panic. She went online again to see what this lump could mean and her doctor center to the to the Er that weekend right away to x-ray waited a few days and doctors told her that she did have cancer cancer. She was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma and because she was pregnant. Her first question was okay. Well what happens to my child. What happens to this baby and is the baby? Ok you know one thing that really struck me when I was speaking to. Her is even though. She was diagnosed with cancer. The only thing that she was thinking about was her own child so because of her diagnosis. She was induced a month early and she had to start chemotherapy two weeks after after giving birth she actually wasn't allowed to be around her newborn in those first few weeks and as a parent. That's one of the hardest things I think for anyone specifically but if you're already going through such a traumatic experience in your own life and suddenly you know you give birth and you can't even be around your child. That's one of the biggest things all these parents talk to me about was. The DOC could not be around their children. Geez that's incredible. You know her story. It's so sad. The thought that this parent couldn't be with their child and the the fear of being diagnosed. Well you're pregnant. I can't even imagine however it's not uncommon that a parent gets diagnosed. I with cancer. How do parents go about having that conversation with their children when they find out this diagnosis so I think one of the things that you know we talk about cancer diagnosis? Of course. That's a hurdle on its own. It's a lot of medical appointments. It's bills it's talking to your family instead of coping to that. It's also a lot of pressure on yourself yourself and your mental health but I think when children are involved there are so many added layers because a lot of parents don't know how to talk to their children about cancer. Some of them don't even tell the children at all feel specifically waited to see what her cancer would look like because if she had to shave her head for example that's when her daughter daughter her older daughter would ask questions. Like why is this happening. What is happening so I think the first thing is a lot of parents don't know if I should even talk to their children specifically about cancer but the experts that I talked to you know it's really up to the parents themselves but one thing they really need to be open with I think is if their child start asking questions and you should be able to answer them? You know you really don't have to go into the details of what your cancer is and what it means and I think cancer is such a scary word for everybody and people like to sort of put a time line around it. I think it's less about that. But more focused around. You know your parents are still here for you. Your parents love you and we're still here to support you. One of my experts talked about cancer specifically with young children. They sometimes think that the diagnosis is their fault. So if something bad is happening to their parent you you know. Sometimes in their head they'll think oh maybe do something to cause cancer so I think communication is really really here as hard as it is. It's it's important to be honest to tell your kids you know what's happening and what this means for your family. You know what this means for your structure this could mean maybe less time outdoors or maybe more time inside or maybe more times with your relatives because the parent with cancer can't spend much time with them and I think it was interesting. What you brought up as well the idea that it mom or dad might have to shave their head because of the cancer diagnosis and the treatment that they're going through? They might lose their hair for kids. Who may have a hard our time fully grasping the biology of what's going on? That is a very obvious visual indication that something's changing their parents and I think it's it's hard I think it's hard for parents to sort of almost put her face in front of their children and I think a lot of these parents struggled with that it was really hard for them to internally go through their own diagnosis and and then physically. They're also going through changes. So for example yes a lot of them did have to shave their heads. Others were wrapped up two tubes in the hospital beds so it visually visually. It's a really scary time. I think for children to see their parents like that. One of the things that Fiona talked about specifically about cutting her hair. She brought her daughter along with her with into through the process. They looked at photos and she explained like you know Mommy's very sick she's going to get better and one of the things she told me was. I wanted to make it clear to her that I was going to get better because I think as scared as your child is it's a little bit of a reinsurance from the parent. I think to let them know exactly. You have more positive outlook even something on the CA cancer diagnosis and I think this part of the conversation really relates back to what we were speaking about previously and that it is mental health and how you process these emotions and process what you're going through. Did parents ever speak about feeling something. Unexpected Lake perhaps even guilt that they were diagnosed. Yes so for a lot of parents There was a sense of guilt. I think for them. It was the guilt of not being around their children and so a lot of them had extra hospital visits. Chemotherapy extended bedrest. I talked to one woman who had a diagnosis where she had to isolate herself from everybody in her her family she couldn't even be around her children. There are parents who have to spend or even send their child away to another relative for a period of time because they can't be around their child so I think that sense of guilt definitely hits parents but one of the important things. Experts talked about specifically around guilt. Is Your family needs to sort of set new routines and new expectations. So for example. Maybe you can't go play outside because of your chemotherapy it's weakening your immune system and you can't go outside or to the park Arcor on vacation but maybe in turn we turn that as to game nights or something indoors or something more less physical activity that the parent can still take pardon so usually in this case unless you're a single parent there is another partner or support family member or someone in the picture as well. It's really important for them to also part of these conversations because if you're feeling guilty about parenting specifically there should be waste accommodate around that now. This conversation has been just a sample of what Megan and already have done in their series for more check out global news dot CA. This is why is produced by John. o'dowd Myself Nikki. Right Meyer with special. Thanks this week to Rosa for sharing her story with us. It's a national radio show as well as a podcast so you can download subscribe or listen to this is why on Apple podcast. Google Google podcast. spotify wherever you get your podcast from give us a rating and review. Plus if you'd like you can send us an email this is why at curious cast dot CA C._a.. Thanks for listening and I'll talk to you next week.

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May 28: Big talk on Big Tech

As It Happens from CBC Radio

48:40 min | 1 year ago

May 28: Big talk on Big Tech

"This is a cbc podcast from the brilliant might have mindy kaeling comes the sharp end timely comedy late night emma thompson plays legendary late night talk show host catherine newbury who's world turned upside down when she hires her first hand only female staff writer molly patel played by mindy kaeling originally intended to smooth over diversities concerns her decision brings about unexpectedly hilarious consequences as the two women who are separated by culture and generation become united by their love of biting punched by the darling of this year's sundance film festival late night also stars john lift ghana hugh dancy amy ryan in dennis o'hare and it's directed by think hoover zone michigan join us in theaters on june seven the very funny in very relevant late night hello i'm carol off good evening i'm jeff douglas and this is as it happens the podcast addition big talk on big tech in ottawa international politicians have gathered to grill tech giant's science but one ndp member of parliament says it's time to stop asking questions and start taking action against surveillance capitalism what not to expect when you don't expect to be expecting and ontario couples sousa toronto hospital because she says she didn't get the tool legations you want it and then she got pregnant sometimes riding a bike isn't as easy as riding a bike the founder of a charity ride is back behind the handlebars again one year after a deadly collision killed one of his fellow vida the case for the prosecution sweetens interior minister says it's time for a new international criminal court to try the war crimes committed in the name of isis in syria and iraq well in the family green party leader elizabeth maze climate change plan involves twenty years of embracing canadian oil and rejecting foreign imports and the conservatives are hyping up and support going down the to you on musk revealed but his long wait at hyperloop isn't amazing underground two cars goes through which looks sort of exactly like a tunnel as it happens the tuesday edition radio the gets his they want it a high tech pipe with all the bells and whistles and just got the shaft boy there's not as much poking on facebook as there used to be but today in ottawa there is of poking at its ceo mark zuckerberg blew off a subpoena to appear before and international committee of lawmakers who are studying ways to protect the public from tech giant's instead facebook's public policy director neil pots was they're we're taking questions from an increasingly frustrated damian collins uk conservative member of parliament wanna know why facebook is still sharing a doctored video that falsely portrays usa democratic house leader nancy pelosi as being somehow impaired a video that others have taken down here's some of their back and forth oh sure i understand concerns but i think the your questions are the right ones in shows the complexity of this issue and also shows wraps up you approach that were taking his working you don't hear sorry i'm a brewers back the it is what it says it says if he's issues the simplicity the another company has fallen recognizing the same issues simplex and say this is crazy fake it's kitty distorted is that undermine public seaney public figures and she shouldn't didn't have a place on the platform shouldn't be part of your community in europe europeans right and that was facebook's neil pots and british conservative mp damian collins at the international grand committee on big datta privacy and democracy today in ottawa mr collins was not only committee member who seemed frustrated buddy answers he got from facebook and it's fellow tech giant's charlie angus isn't ndp member of canadian parliament we reached him in ottawa just angus after what you heard today do you think it's time for mark zuckerberg to come and talk to your committee i think facebook is making a very serious mistake a this is a corporate platform that has unprecedented unprecedented dominance in it is the media outlet for many people around the world it has been accused of being manipulated up an electro processes around the world serious allegations of mass killings and it resulted in then this is twice now that mr zuckerberg is completely ignored international legislators and then are case ignored a summons a subpoena from the parliament of canada which is very very unprecedent and i think it's i think it's pushing legislators to take a much harder line with companies like facebook because of their complete disinterested in the fundamental principles of domestic law and jurisdiction hardline do you think the legislators in canada should take i think he idea of self regulating and being nice to facebook and other platforms is not going to cut it anymore i think we need to be looking at serious obligations for example the proliferation of hate content hate speech on platforms like youtube and facebook book we've always had the safe harbor provisions which prevent them from being sued because well they're just the place it it's being posted on well when they're refusing to take down false and militias content when their algorithms are pushing that content and creating i think a greater breakdown of civic discourse then they need to be held to a higher level of accountability you did here though from facebook and google today in facebook's says they're open to industry regulations so what do you make of that i i think what they what they were tell her committee is is one thing what they will tell behind the scenes with their lobbyists to top government officials is completely another they have no desire to be regulated they've come to the table with no clear offerings but i think legislators need to start dealing with this because it's not just the issue of misinformation what are committee at the international level has really come to see were talking about restoring the rights of citizens in a digital realm where every every single thing we do is being watched every place we go is being tracked our phone messages are using as a you know like prisoners eletronic bracelet device in this form of surveillance capitalism is having profound impacts on civil discourse in civil society how do we put the democratic rights of citizens back into the digital realm with these giants who ignore domestic jurisdiction that is a huge question i think for twenty nineteen for legislators around the world and clearly facebook is shown by their disregard of the committee in their disregard of internet national legislators they don't wanna be part of that conversation so i think we're gonna have to have that conversation for them doesn't their response though indicated did they know the public is so willing to give up so much of their freedom and to fall into what you call surveillance capitalism in order to have what facebook and google are offering them that they know that there isn't a great deal of public opposition into this isn't that part of the problem i think the world is been transformed dramatically and certainly some of the international witnesses we have identified twenty fifteen twenty sixteen as the weaponization of private information in his release a change the discourse three years ago it would have been impossible to imagine international legislators talking about regulating a public space base where people debate i think citizens around the world certainly the conversation in canada has moved dramatically plea in a different direction because we realize that a are rights are being systemically undermined and the more we look into it and the more we realize they pay zilch attention to her privacy rights it's making people more and more uncomfortable comfortable this is i think the real problem for facebook and google is if people have lost that trust there is no longer that naive two thousand and eight two thousand nine belief of utopian digital world where these guys were the cool young kids trying new things they are unprecedented corporate behemoths who were not paying attention to the citizen rights and citizens i think canada are very very aware of that and that's why a were getting so much positive response to these questions that were asking these giants what would you say of the response from the liberal government had two of you witness is today said that they these companies want listening to government is willing to start shutting them down do you think the liberal government has he has the nerve to do that well i think one of the big mistakes the trudeau government made in twenty fifteen which just thinks it by releasing cozying up to the facebook google amazon lobby that it would give us a tech advantage and we could see that with the deal they made for sidewalk labs in toronto i think the trudeau government is realizing the back the wrong horse the people actually want stronger action but having these sort of general codes of principles doesn't really protect citizens not when the fundamental question is the business model that allows such unprecedented personal surveillance so what we need is government to recognize it simply asking facebook to sign onto statements the principal it's not gonna protect citizens in twenty nineteen i think a standard model around the world would be the best interest of all citizens in digital tech but without these companies wanting to play ball with this you're gonna see probably some very strong legislation coming in various jurisdictions such a greatest concern is we had today election in the fall i think what we release learn from them twenty sixteen american election andy the brexit vote is the weaponization of datta by third party mercenaries datta mercenaries the actually micro target down to individual voters orders to play on their fears to push fears of racism an immigration can flip votes and it's not going to be noticed on the national level it's gonna be noticed ten votes in this poll twenty votes in that poll hundred votes here and there that could turn in election and that's the power of the misuse of datta and that's the real threat to democratic accountability is that they're thank you thank you so much charlie angus isn't ndp mpn a member of an international big datta committee we reach mr angus in ottawa tomorrow morning on cbc radio one the current is gonna put questions to face book canada's had a public policy kevin jan each year cyclists travel around lake ontario for their annual seven days and may ride raising money for pancreatic cancer founder court town late began the fundraiser in honor of his late mom but this year mr townley andy other riders are paying tribute to another friend they have lost jeff back which killed after a collusion during last year's ride will reach gorge townley near henderson harbor new york good i know that it was on sunday that you passed the site of last year's crash but was that moment like for you it it was something we were obviously very conscious of we were nervous of we also have fond memories of a very nice man end obviously tentative area because of the way they accident occurred but some tiers push at some hugs were given some jokes were told and then we'd get back on the bike and ride and people had great memories of the of the man so i thought that purpose very good is there anything to remember jeff that could decide soon a local cycling group last year we installed a ghost bike five hundred meters west of where the actual accident occurred and it's and it allows for a pullover safely off the road in there's a little his goes by could set up on the side there so i just want to mindless news about what's happening when this collision occurred one of our writers had had a whole where they were doing the paving alone bath road just west of kingston and he fell and hit his head a cyclist at were with him including including a retired fire captain so he took control of the scene move the cyclist onto the side of the road and the guardrail a lot of traffic to move freely as they were tending to the gentleman some are cyclists came writing by one of they people was tired in one at a short break and that would be jesper back he pulled over to the side of the road right off even the shoulder and at that point of dan came along the road moved a little bit to the left to give some room to the cyclist were there and then a gentleman in a smaller car came up at speed behind in pulled to the right onto the shoulder onto the gravel according to the two witnesses were standing there at the car missed fortunately he spun aaron that's my daughter around and had her buddy pretty hard bounced off the guard rail kept going and then hit jeff it was about ten fifteen meters farther down the road in the middle of the windshield and that's when he applied the brakes so he jeff going quite quickly and then he went into the ditch anyone across the road into the show slowly as the car kept when we spoke last year jeff vac was badly injured he was in hospital and you couldn't say much you knew that the they worded privacy in so we didn't hear much about who he was but now you could tell us who jeff and evacuees a jeff was an abbot cyclists of all type worked at garage as a mechanic the father of one gutter separated from his first wife had a a partner that he was living with any she had two daughters so affectively they referred to in his step that and and unfortunately didn't survive the crash but which we new when you when i spoke last year his injuries were so we knew he wasn't going to survive but the family how to come the terms of the scenario that he was playing and let him go which was very tough as you could imagine in all of you all of you in that class that taken the terms of that did it must have been really really difficult it was challenging in some of the rogers went home some of the writers kerry don there was definitely a melancholy over the ride up their end of last year a if there was one blessing we did it was jeff fairly kept in touch with us while they're at the hospital in hotels in kingston endured a song and left us one messages because they felt but jeff water dusted finished last year when you were telling us about it you arrived on the side after the collusion in their words you're daughter she called to you and the side of the road highway sheena sorry just brought he brought up a bit of a memory i'm sorry she's generally pretty good she decided not to join us on the ride this year she's a family or you're out in calgary so she had a lot of healing touch what to do a after the injury on her arm shattered her joints on her elbow had to be reconstructed she had injuries on her legs in her ribs and the indoor half a so she had several months of rehabbing and pain management but what she found obviously as a lawyer she has to tend to her clients and she had missed a couple of months so she needed the focus on that and just the thoughts and the memories that looks lead back 'em i don't wanna use the label ptsd but she does get vivid memories and images of what happened in it does make a tougher at times now i will say though that everyday including a ghost like site we face time during so she could talk some of the cycles 'cause she knows many of them it helps everybody i think it helps her quite a but on sean her boyfriend a really absurdly incident and get over it or get over it and move forward a but she is keeping in touch and lifting are spiritually day we all have to get over and i'm sure it was a very difficult decision even to do the ride this year so what what convinced you that you should get back and you buy a we did take some time carlin's as you would imagine to assess whether it was worth going forward if we were putting people in danger in basically through conversations with the folks that are closest organizing it in with pancreatic cancer canada foundation over the years we've become unimportant fundraiser for them i think were actually now their largest independent fundraiser which is which is good because it's a disease but doesn't get a lot of attention and a lot of research dollars we didn't want that to and and today by the way is one of those coal drizzly day as a as as i'm riding around in at they tried to different people talk about jeff actually is motivation they talk about people with pancreatic cancer in in those that have to battle through it and it keeps them motivated evenly is lousy days so we're trying to give patients hope and so that indian what what kept us going well i'll let you get back on the road safe travels guards could talk to you again thank you well thank you so much really appreciate the score by by gordon townley is the founder of the seventies and may annual charity bike ride last year participants in the ride were hit by a car in an accident the killed one man we reach mr tally during this year's ride just outside henderson harbor new york we have more on this story on her website that is cbc t c h h a m o a better the devil you know that his argument green party leader elizabeth may is making with say proposal to use canadian oil instead of foreign oil in her party's climate action plan untitled told the mission possible the greens are proposing to turn off the top oil imports meanwhile canada would move to board a domestic product and find a way to ship that across the country until we win herself all fossil fuels by the year twenty fifty it is one proposal in an ambitious plan to fight climate change by insuring all new cars are electric revamping are electricity grid and creating an all party climate war your cabinets among other things we reached green party leader elizabeth may inaudible there's no you have compared to climate action plan to winston churchill fighting fascism and you say cat it needs to be on a war footing isn't that a wee bit dramatic well i think the situation is very dramatic we've been told by the world scientists but if we don't go off fossil fuels by twenty fifty we are at risk of losing human civilization is asian so within the lifetime of her own children the society that we know could unravel if we continue to expand a fossil fuel investments we risks extinction i think the situation is dramatic were in a climate emergency end it's time to treat it as a security threat that requires an end to the notion week and keep using fossil fuels into the far distance while talking meaningless lee about transition okay but what if people find quite remarkable about plan is that this is a plan that will take us to twenty fifty and you're proposing that not only that we used canadian oil over the next twenty years you want to find a way to deliver that oil from coast to coast so a lot of people who are you're traditional there's no allies they're saying what's going on with this man the green party you know this is not a change in policy is greens we've always said it doesn't make sense to have these fraught divisible debates about exporting bet you meant other their countries well canada import nonsensical it makes a lotta sense to look at where do we get are fossil fuels and as we phase out of using them all together and rapidly we can use canadian fossil fuels exclusively i'm were not proposing any additional pipelines goodness knows were not proposing additional fossil fuel infrastructure but we have been hearing for some time from those who criticize a burger production the oil send a the most carbon urban intensive crews in north america that see argument that's what people are shocked to see that you are supporting alberta's oil sands when they think that you should be criticizing the well of course right criticize alberto has a huge potential the best in canada for solar energy a huge geothermal potential by the way using some of the band in oil wells to produce geothermal and we should be fixing the east west electricity grid so those provinces which are already producing only only renewable energy we need be able to sell into a province like a bird of it needs to go off fossil fuels as long as they sense don't expand and we hold at current levels of production how do we have people employed in alberta for longer how do we make sure i'll britain's don't feel victimized by climate action well as long as were using it will use a declining amount of the pitchman being produced in alberta an overtime that production of bitch human is shifted solely to feedstock for patrick chemical industry nothing from burning the point is is that the crude they heavy between when it comes and it will sense is carbon intensive you say it's not gonna come to be distributed canada two pipelines pipelines you're gonna put it in real cars now we've i've not set that there's been an assumption by media they were talking about shipping richmond across the country we have not said how you going to transport this fuel throughout the country if you're not gonna have pipelines wedding well first of all you were talking about canadian oil sofer east coast of canada we already have oil on the east coast of canada being produced out of high bernier end primarily export there's existing infrastructure to meet any needs for the declining period in which were still using false and that includes railcar you're saying that's gonna be times noticing infrastructure from pipelines they're already under a long term contract so we don't need any new pipelines just the thing is is that you're proposing what you say is it necessarily been a war footing in order to accomplish here you believe that this has to be something radical in order to accomplish the argument the conservatives they're giving is that why should canadians have to do such dramatic things in order to meet these goals when cat it's producing less than two percent of the global total since still two emissions that other countries producing so much more so the argument that you're gonna hear the conservatives during this campaign is that is that why should we have to make these sacrifices i think saving are cells from assured destruction isn't a sacrifice i think it's necessary the conservatives need to acquaint themselves with the science and i think the liberals need to review the science that they claim they are heating as they continually ignore the reality of climate emergency when we say we wanna put count on a war footing it means also engaging society in the way that my parents generation were engaged in victory gardens and all working together in mission possible one of the first stepsister jettison politics as usual but these issues are far too important to allow the traditional punch and judy show partisan politics to get in the way of doing what's needed okay just you've heard from conservative party leader andrew scheer who also support the ban on foreign oil imports favoring canadian oil instead and alberta preview jason kenny applaud you proposal on twitter he says great to hear elizabeth may has come around to support support the goal replacing foreign oil with canadian oil you seem to have taken a strange bedfellows here i don't think they've read are plan be very happy defined azure share is prepared to sign on cutting fossil fuels in this country zero by twenty fifty sixty percent reduction by twenty thirty at this point we don't have ndp the liberals or conservatives prepared to say what their carbon reduction target is an if in the period of time which were going off fossil fuels we only use canadian oil on a declining basis if the conservatives are prepared to sign on for that then we have something to talk about leaving them is may thank you we can do this thank you bye elizabeth may is the leader the green party of canada we reached her in ottawa if you write a song the told people to keep on rocket in the free world you your self cannot not keep rocking in the free world and to his credit neil young has done that but even the free world has its limits like curfews which percent mr young with a choice stop rocking in the free world per local ordinances for follow his own advice about rock and and keep on doing it well on saturday neil young in his band the promise of the real were at the ball her rock napa valley festival which has strict curfew ten pm at nine fifty pm they began playing rock and in the free world just under ten minutes later someone rent onstage to warn him mr young pay no he'd then at ten pm exactly organizers turned off the speakers leaving the bad with nothing but the state jams and still well you can guess here's what it sounded like from a video shot by fan i neil young the promise of the real end friends keep it on rocket in the free world on saturday in napa valley despite the free world curfew after the birth of their twins jen and her partner jim decided that they would have eight tubal ligation that was in twenty eleven but not long after the birth of her twins jen was pregnant again now the couple are suing mount sinai hospital in toronto they say the hospital should pay them eight hundred thousand dollars per what they call wrongful pregnancy because they say the tubal ligation they had asked for never took place we reach jen whose identity we are protecting because she has not told her children about the lawsuit in scarborough ontario jen how old were you twins when he found out that you were pregnant again they just just they actually they were just about to turn ten minutes when you discovered you were pregnant what did you think is going on well it had an upset stomach in my pets roddick's lane at lia getting tighter which wasn't then what i was expecting and i i would actually fairly familiar with the symptoms but didn't think that that could possibly be explanation so when i took the pregnancy test and discovered that it was positive i would honestly just in a state of shock and disbelief for quite a while and that's because you thought that you had you too tight right that is correct this is in in twenty eleven that you thought this procedure had been done tell us tell us what your assumptions were in what was going on i had scheduled h c section section further delivery of my twins an ugly scheduled at he sexually also had eighty two like asian scheduled to be performed at the same time because when they're in they're taking the babies they can access all of these other workings okay and there is no reason to believe that hadn't happened no i had no idea that hadn't happened so when you found out that you were pregnant what this is something obviously unexpected what what was what was going through your mind at that time so initially i thought that i divide some insane odds 'cause i after people like asian is a current andy probability of it goes down as you h m and being thirty nine i thought that this would just some crazy universal joke the universe is playing on me an so i went and i called the doctor had been my obstetrician ashley drain his twin pregnancy because when we went through eighty a consent harmful be jubilation they go through all the rest with you and one of the risks of having a pregnancy after two like asian isn't topic pregnant which can be quite dangerous so heated visory me to go and have an ultrasound immediately so that was my initial concern and at that time we did no indication that may maybe the reason why you're pregnant is because you've never had the jubilee jason didn't occur to me not not at all and obviously the new career doctor no not at all he had to go back and look at the chart to see if you could figure out what had calling on what did he say he said i can't find anything in your chart that support that you had had this procedure done at all and we will have to like look a little bit further confirmed that the case but from where it stands right now it doesn't look the procedure was done how far along were you at this point is approximately seven and a half weeks he had ten month old twins you're how old is you're other daughter my daughter was six point okay so you have a handful and so what would what did you consider doing at that point well we we considered are options i mean we 'em had made the decision to limit the size of her family to three it at that point and so after several weeks of kind of wrestling struggling with the decision i booked a procedure you have an abortion but you didn't go through that no i could not i tried it didn't want to be pregnant but i couldn't go through with having 'em with having an abortion at that point so now you have another daughter yes we do and now you are suing mount sinai end the doctors for wrongful pregnancy that's correct what does that mean what do you what do you suing them about all of the cost a that flow from the medical mistake that was made when they didn't perform to like ation what would you compare this to what what is it is far as as a medical mistakes how would you how would you say is analogous to this well to me it's it's analogous to any other medical mistake where there is negligence end liability on the part of the doctors in the hospital in any costs that are a result of that negligent or that mistake fake are in most other cases of medical malpractice covered it but i understand you're very happy to have this child absolutely we love her very much and so people say well you know what this happens and now you've got this other child than that and not the same thing as having a procedure that leaves you unhappy you have something that is brought some joy into her life so people would argue that that's not the same thing there is joy children bring joy they also bring bring a lot of it is we have three other children who we are also raising and providing for end this is be only in medical malpractice law in ontario and kennedy as far as i can tell where if medical mistakes made that be person who suffered the consequences of that mistake isn't compensated you're asking for eight hundred thousand dollars that is what are lawyers bears have in the settlement and you that you hope you believe that will cover the cost of raising your daughter i believe that that would do more then critical out okay the hospital says in its defense that it it denies those any breach of duty want of care or negligence and a they lawyers for the doctors told see tv they denied the plaintiffs of suffered any damages what'd you say that i say that that sounds like they're trying to cover their butts legally they're very clearly very clearly libel and so this is something that could set a precedent you see this is being this possibly be a a course if you're a successful that hospitals will see others take if we make it a trial and if we have a successful trial then that's absolutely going to be precedent setting and that is one of the reasons that we have pursued that you see it some point that you will explain this to you daughter yes actually i do i will when she is old enough they're old enough to understand reproductive options and choices then we'll have a conversation around how she came to be in this world and they are actions that came from that and and i'm fairly confident you'll understand i generally believe they're an deli following a case thank you so much thank you so much carol bye bye bye jen whose identity we are protecting is suing mount sinai hospital in toronto for wrongful pregnancy we reached her in scarborough ontario and we do have more on that story on our website cbc dot ca slash h a for the first time since she left auto walk caitlin coleman is speaking out about her new life back home in the united states ms coleman who is american and her husband joshua boil were held hostage by taliban linked extremist for five years before being rescued in twenty seventeen after boil is now on trial for allegedly assaulting ms coleman after they were rescued from afghanistan and he has pleaded not guilty to all nineteen charges caitlin coleman told the cbc judy trend about the moment last summer when pregnant and taking care of three small children she heard the she had one temporary custody of their children and was allowed to go home to united states i had just gotten an ultrasound and i would literally in the lobby of the ultrasound clinic that i had gone to when my lawyer called me on the phone and said we won that was her first words mean we want and that meant we could cross the border and we could go home and like i was with my mom and my sister an aunt where with the other kids and we knew we were gonna hear that day so we were waiting for this word and we got this word and we were and so we called my sister andy said pethick pack everything that you can you know we're going to get my lawyer has said when you get this order go right away because when you get the order you could legally crossed the border and you know you should go quickly before josh aside concerns complicating things for you so you know but i thought that it would be best to get a physical copy of the court order to have the border because i was concerned that just showing up at the border and telling them what what's going on wasn't gonna be sufficient so it's this mad rush of pack stuff in the car then my mom and my aunt and my sister who all had their stuff back at their hotel talent i walked from their hotel to my lawyer's office to pick up the piece of paper in the pouring rain because of course you know nothing's ever simple and then we get in the car and we drive to the border and we get to the border and they're very civil and welcoming at the border but they do asked me for that piece of paper they pull up the side in the secondary and they look at the kids passport you know and they asked what's the story and i tell them the story and then they say well can we see the court order and so i hand in the court order and then the border agent come back to me and she shakes my hand and she says welcome home finally free oh i'm pretty i'm pretty excited and overwhelmed and an end also just so honored that she that she made that gesture to so that was former hostage caitlin coleman's speaking to cbc's judy trend and you can read more about ms coleman online at cbc news dot j mikhail dumbo thinks it's time for a new international criminal court which are dumb berg is the swedish interior minister and he is proposing to establish stablishment court to try the war crimes committed to following isis is rise to power in much of syria and iraq he says the court should be based in iraq and the prosecution's would resemble those the followed the wars in rwanda and the former yugoslavia flavio countries around the world have resisted repatriating nationals who have been detained during isis is long retreat and the trump administration is shown little patience pretty idea of the international criminal court we reached minister michael bloomberg in stockholm you sit down now why do you think this court is necessary i think it's unnecessary because it's immoral issue because this is perhaps the lowest terrorist organization we've seen in modern history and i think it's important for the world not just to turn the page but actually to to take care take into account that we have to make these terrorist accountable for their actions and condemn and hopefully we jumped you know that they issue always wis with prosecuting terrorism accusing people terrorism at one person's tears one countries terrorists is another country's freedom fighters and so there are people for instance who the turks believed to be terrorists who had been cooperating with a kick candy united states steria certainly believes it all the people who've been fighting against them are terrorists how will you will you determined who you think when this court should should consider to be terrorist i think it's very important to see the race and international regulation all for instance or crimes that could be applied in this case is because atrocities we've seen a was a people being publicly executed the children being part of it a women has been released in a very serious situation of course this is crime against international justice so for us it's morally should actually say that the world doesn't accept this the world needs to take action against isn't a coordinated ways that's why we things that the international tribunals or or hybrid solution would be preferable drawn national court and i don't think anyone would argue against the idea that the people we have seen the videos of a five hers who have been who beheaded civilians that the the treatment of yazidi women the sex slaves all of this of this aboard and criminal and war crimes to be sure that should be these people should face justice i just wonder at some point you do run into the problem of the definition of what it is and the jurisdiction and what it is this is what happened in the formulas lobby this is what happened in rwanda it went into the weeds in a number of ways didn't of course i don't say it's easy to set up an international shop human eleven all the international court soundtrack in seemingly well opposite no is different so everyone has their own circumstances to regulate since but i think it's time tax they go for was in this discussion the russian a that's why sweden will invites makes me think install called that in in the beginning of june cracks the gather all the relevant parties in europe to see what twice for what the street together indie courts i mentioned they won for the former yugoslavia andrew rwanda they the rules were that they would seek out what they called the big fish they would stick out those who had command responsibility those were principally responsible sponsor bulls and the others should go to other courts a to the country's they came from or to local jurisdictions so how will you define who you are because it would be a huge task to take on all of the fighters who have been this or you wouldn't yes it would be a but that's also this guy we within months talk this discussion by presenting a swedish model but actually bringing together all the countries that are now discussing this in different way and i believe simpson this now into be ten a from seven by saying that they are open for discussion for trying to form an international trust you and then of course i think everyone agrees that you have talked whereas the leaders in russia pro says but there's also possible is if you will do i also have a national base then they condemn people that have been in ballsy more criminals feinstein so i think thank you shouldn't start by saying impossible to do more than just the leaders but it will be selling things and what happens if people accused united states having committed war crimes or crimes against humanity for sweden's you know i think it's the same with canada we'll always defending the nationals along base well of course we've seen that crime should be prosecuted a but of course now it's a very special situation where the tire is dicey this organization that touchdown the terrorist attack a lot of love but also just devastating death and destruction tillery junk there's a war crimes tribunals in the middle east then you might see people who want to bring charges against the united states against russia against the syrian government against tricky as you know rob freeman was a member of the security council that retry backup spending national making his in the region but it will stop by members of the security council well just recent i would say so now where it's going away you're accessing moving forward and we need to national truck in the region and that's why i came important to have this discussion among partners that has been iphone in foreign fighters and to see if you can take responsibility for this but of course there will be right line one obvious red line it's the death penalty i i i don't see the euro who supports any 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Show 1143: Can You Control Your Blood Sugar by Fasting?

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Show 1143: Can You Control Your Blood Sugar by Fasting?

"I'm Joe Graydon. And I'm Terry Graydon. Welcome to this podcast of the people's pharmacy. You can find previous podcasts and more information on a range of health topics at people's pharmacy dot com. Type two diabetes has reached massive proportions. What's behind this epidemic? Can you prevent or reverse it with diet? This is the people's pharmacy with Terry. And Joe Graydon. Nephrologist? Jason Fung has seen the consequences of type two diabetes on the kidneys. He studied the effects of diet on this metabolic disorder and founded the intensive dietary management program. Dr phone says, it does matter win, and what you eat and a calorie of sugar is not the same at a colony of pale to insulin for type two diabetes can lead to weight gain. That's the last thing someone with diabetes needs coming up on the people's pharmacy. How intermittent fasting can help you control your blood sugar. First this news. In the people's pharmacy health headlines. 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But a new study called vital publish the New England Journal of medicine suggests that vitamin D pills do not reduce the risks of cancer or heart disease. Nearly twenty six thousand people were randomized to receive two thousand international units of vitamin d three or placebo for more than five years overall. There was no significant difference between the two groups when it came to survival. There were no fewer heart attacks, strokes or other cardiovascular complications in the vitamin D group. There was also no significant difference in deaths from invasive cancer based on this study and other trials it seems that vitamin d supplements may not be an adequate substitute for sun exposure. In addition to vitamin d three the vital study also considered the effects of omega three. Fatty acids from fish oil concentrated fish oil at a dose of one gram per day was no more effective than placebo for preventing cardiovascular catastrophes, including strokes people taking fish oil were just as likely to die from cancer. As those in the placebo arm on the other hand fewer people taking fish oil had fatal heart attacks, particularly if they were not eating much fish in their regular diets there were no differences in the unpleasant symptoms such as digestive distress or bleeding reported by people in both groups overall, however, the results of fish oil supplementation or disappointing. Another study also published in the New England Journal of medicine considered the effects of Aiko, so pencil Ethel a form of the omega three fatty acid EPA the brand named for this drug is vast keeper this randomized, placebo controlled trial included, more than eight thousand high risk. Risk patients for nearly five years. These people had heart disease or diabetes and hide triglycerides despite being treated with statins. The findings in this trial called reduce it were more promising than those from the vital trial about seventeen percent of the volunteers taking best keeper had a heart attack. Stroke death from cardiovascular complications or hospitalization for heart procedures in comparison. Twenty two percent of those on placebo suffered one of these events. Fewer people taking best keep a died from cardiovascular causes for point three percent. Instead of five point two percent of those on placebo. The bottom line appears to be that EPA or Aiko Sappington oik acid has cardio protective activity. Scientists at the CDC have confirmed ninety cases of acute flaccid my lightest in twenty seven states so far this year. Most of. The patients afflicted with this polio like condition our children summary cover, but many are left unable to move their arms legs or head the CDC's suspects that one or more viruses are behind this devastating and untreatable disorder. But they've been unable to identify the specific pathogen, parents and pediatricians have been critical of the CDC for taking so long to figure out what's causing the problem. Most of the cases seem to follow a respiratory tract infection. That includes a fever parents who are concerned about their children's symptoms should immediately check with the child's doctor, and that's the health news from the people's pharmacy this week. Welcome to the people's pharmacy. I'm terry. Great. I'm Joe Graydon. Most health professionals believe that type two diabetes is a chronic progressive condition. Once you're diagnosed with this metabolic disorder, you're destined to take medication for the rest of your life. But what if you could reverse type two diabetes with diet, it may defy conventional wisdom, but people have successfully controlled their blood sugar with changes to the way, they eat to help us understand how this might be accomplished. We're talking with Dr Jason Fung. He is a Canadian net. Frolic gist and internationally recognized expert on intermittent fasting for diabetes control. He's the co founder of the intensive dietary management program at Scarborough hospital in Ontario Canada. His most recent book is the diabetes code prevent N reverse type two diabetes naturally. Welcome to the people's pharmacy. Dr Jason fun. Hi, great to be here. Dr Fong as frolic gist. Your specialty is kidneys. Why is diabetes so challenging for kidney function not to mention heart phone shin brain function and just about every cell in the body. Yeah. So the thing about the kidney diseases that type two diabetes is really by far and away the biggest cause of kidney disease, all the other types of kidney disease tend to be quite rare. But also lately what we've seen is this sort of obesity epidemic and then the epidemic of type two diabetes, and so the prevalence of diabetes going up, and therefore as people have it for longer what we're starting to see is more and more kidney disease. If you look at numbers of people on dialysis for example. It's just been going up and up and up, and it's really one of the tragedies because type two diabetes itself is largely dietary disease. Then it's a reversible disease, and you can't treat them up very end when their kidneys have failed. You have to really treat them at the beginning when they have type two diabetes before they have kidney disease, or I disease or heart disease or nerve damage or whatever and try reverse that type two diabetes. So that never Kerr's because you can't get diabetic kidney disease. If you don't have diabetes. Dr phone. I'm curious has a kidney specialist diet nutrition are probably not the pillars of what you use to treat patients. How did you get interested in these topics? Yeah, it occurred to me that we're treating things all wrong because the thing is that if we know that type two diabetes is the cause of the kidney disease. Then what you really need to do is reverse that type two diabetes, and in order to do that you really have to get people to be able to lose weight. So that's the kind of chain events weight problem than type two diabetes and kidney disease. But yet the root cause is the weight. So that's what you have to treat. Because if you treat a very end where you have a lot of kidney disease. Well, there's really not a lot. We can do at that point. We can put people on dialysis and so on but in order to really make an impact on this vs. You. Really have to treat it, and that's how I really became interested in nutrition weight loss. And then one of the things that I started about five years ago intensive dietary management program is in order to get people to lose weight and to reverse their type two diabetes to really use fasting and intermittent fasting as a therapeutic modality that is. We do something like fasting in the hospital all the time if people need surgery or call an off-duty, we tell them fast, and we know that nothing really really bad happens to the body during that period of time. So why can't we use that as a treatment? Because if they don't eat those blood sugars will come down, and all of a sudden, you don't need to use the insulin or the medications and so on and if you continue to do this on a regular basis, you'll lose weight, and then if you lose weight, the diabetes gets better because the real problem is that tech to diabetes is. Largely considered a chronic and irreversible disease, but everybody knows that's not true. If you lose weight that diabetes will go away, Dr Fong, I I suspect that virtually every health professional in the world would agree with you that losing weight is very important that we are facing an obesity epidemic. Not just in the United States. Not just in Canada. But all over the world and the problem occurs when we start talking about well how to do that. Because what you hear repeatedly as well. Eat fewer calories and exercise more. And unfortunately that hasn't worked so well has it. No, not at all. And that's one of the things, and there's all sorts of controversy. You know, she low fat, gene, though carbohydrates should be paleo should do eat vegetarian. So there's all these sort of different opinions as to what you should eat. But the part that most people miss is that weight loss weight gain is really dependent on really two things what you need which is that question that we sort of obsess about right? Should you? Eat kale or should you eat bread? Or should you eat, you know, avocados, and we're really not that far apart for the most part in in terms of you know, we agree that doughnuts are not good for you. And most of us agree that kale and spinach are pretty good for you. So we're not that far away. But what what it gets lost is the sort of when to eat questions. It's really a question of what to eat, and when to eat, and this is the thing if you look at studies from nineteen seventy seven people were eating three times a day breakfast, lunch dinner. That's it. No snacks. None of this. You know, constant grazing or whatever when you get to two thousand four the big n Hanes surveys shows that people are eating closer to five or six times a day. So all of a sudden instead of you know. Eating three sort of meals a day. People are eating all through the day. Even into the night, though. The most recent study showed that people on average were eating for fourteen hours and forty five minutes, which means if you had your breakfast at eight AM, you didn't stop beating until ten forty five pm and the thing about the body is that it really only exists in sort of two states if either starring food energy or burning food energy. Okay. So if you eat insulin goes up, and you store energy. That's what body fat is. It's a store of food energy when you don't eat then insen drops. And then you burn some of that food energy. So if you keep those two periods of time and relative balance, then you're going to spend sort of ten to twelve hours starring who'd energy and twelve hours earning food energy, and then it's balanced. So that's what happened the nineteen seventies. All of a sudden, you spend all your time starring food energy. And then you wonder oh, haywire people losing. Wait. You know, what do I need to change in my foods? Well, maybe it's not just the food that you're eating. Maybe it's the amount of time. You spend, you know, storing food energy, you gotta let your body basically digest the food that you eat, and that the, you know, the concept of fasting fasting is really a part of everyday life. So if you take the English word breakfast is the meal that breaks your fast, which means you need to be fasting every single day. And so if you eat breakfast at seven AM and interest in pm, twelve hours of feeding in twelve hours of fasting, so their balance. So if you all of a sudden go to instead of you know, ten or twelve hours you go to fourteen to sixteen hours of feeding and like eight hours of fasting while you've thrown off that balance. And that's where people gain weight, not, you know, just over a few days or month by over, you know, chronically over years turns out that we're. Ever we go there's food or specifically snacks. So if you get guests, well, there are snacks just waiting for you in soft drinks. And if we go to the airport, you can't miss the shops that have all kinds of stuff to give you, you know, if you wanna buy a magazine or newspaper, the person's going to ask you would you like a drink with that? So how do we avoid those traps? Well, I think the first thing is recognized that there really is no such thing as a healthy snack. Because this is something that has really snuck up on us, and it's sort of ingrained into us, as you know, even as children that we should be snacking all the time. And this is the problem, you know, that this is not something that you shouldn't be doing. Well, then when they ask you, oh, do you want, you know, a little snack. We can say no because I really shouldn't. I mean, the desire part about the whole thing is that, you know, if if you look at the seventies when there's very little obesity kids eight sort of three meals a day. If you wanted an after school snack, your mom would say, no, we don't have any and you're going to ruin your dinner if you wanted a bedtime snack. She would would've said, no, we don't have those. And you should've eaten more at dinner. And that was it. Nobody died. Nobody got really sick or anything. Now. You know, you look at my kids schedules. They eat breakfast. They sometimes get a mid morning snack. They have lunch after school. They're giving a snack, then they have dinner, then they go play soccer and in between the half of soccer. Somebody thought it was necessary that they have some juice and cookies like who thought that was a good idea. But this is what we teach people the, hey, people need to eat all the time, otherwise bad things are going to happen. It's like what bad things do you think are going to happen? If you don't eat that juice cookies, you know, between the half the soccer. I was a kid. I used to play soccer after you know, after dinner all the time. My mom wasn't chasing me with a Jew. Use bach. She was like, you know, come in before it gets dark that was all about all the advice you ever gave me for that. Right. So this is the thing that people think that it's actually healthy or it's necessary or you have to eat all the time. So therefore they're caught because when they get a little hungry. They're like, oh, yeah. But I think I should eat because that's what I've been taught. And then so they go get a Muffin or something like that. It's like, no that's wrong thing. Like, you look if you go to BC conference in these are doctors who specialize in that you're going to have, you know, full breakfast, then at ten o'clock during the break, they're going to have like snacks for you. Then at lunch and then at two o'clock, it's like, okay. If you're having a meeting a conference or a meeting at work, why do you have to have cookies at two o'clock. Why do you have to have an bagels at ten o'clock like is not necessary. And that's the point. We've we've sort of snuck it in there. And everybody's sort of believed it, but the first step. I've been sort of you know, getting away from that is the thank you don't need that three meals a day two meals a day. It's fine. People have been doing this for thousands of years. So then you can say okay to the gas station tendon, look, I don't need a snack. You're listening to Dr Jason Fung. He's a Canadian niff- rela gist and expert on intermittent fasting for controlling type two diabetes. Doctor Fung is the co founder of the intensive dietary management program at Scarborough hospital in Ontario Canada. His most recent book is the diabetes code prevent and reverse type two diabetes naturally after the break. We'll discuss the important difference between type one and type two diabetes. What's insulin resistance? And how is it linked to metabolic syndrome is type two diabetes really preventable or reversible. What were you need to do to achieve that? You're listening to the people's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon. The people's pharmacy podcast is sponsored in part by Kaya -biotics, K A Y A -biotics offers the first probiotics which are both certified organic and Hypo allergenic I'll probiotics are produced in Germany under laboratory conditions with high quality ingredients and under strict regulatory oversight. Three available. Formulas are created for very specific purposes such as strengthening the immune system, fighting east infections and helping with weight loss to learn more about Kaya -biotics, probiotics and the important topic of gut health you can visit their website Kaya, -biotics dot com. That's K A Y A -biotics dot com. Use the discount code people for ten dollars off your first purchase. Welcome back to the people's pharmacy. I'm Terry Graydon. And I'm Joe Graydon if you would like to purchase a CD of this show, you can call eight hundred seven three two two three three four today show is one thousand one hundred forty three that number again, eight hundred seven three to twenty three thirty four or you can find it at people's pharmacy dot com. You can also download the free podcast from I tunes today. Our topic is type two diabetes, but the concepts are much broader than that, what dietary approaches are most helpful for this metabolic disorder. We'll find out why conventional treatments may fall short. And how what you eat can affect your blood sugar and your insulin. And why that's important even if you don't have diabetes when you eat might be just as important, what's the impact of restricting your hours for eating? We're talking with Dr. Jason funk he is a Canadian nephrologist and champion of intermittent fasting for diabetes control. He's the co founder of the intensive dietary management program at Scarborough hospital in Ontario Canada. His most recent book is the diabetes code prevent and reverse type two diabetes naturally decker fund. We've been talking about diabetes, and diabetes is one of those tricky words because there are at least two completely different diseases that we referred to his diabetes. We we distinguish them by saying type one diabetes and type two diabetes. Can you tell us what the differences place? Yeah. So type one diabetes is what we typically think of as the children and used to be called childhood, diabetes versus adult onset diabetes, for example. And it's the one where your pancreas doesn't produce enough insulin. So that people start. To urinate, frequently. They start to lose a lot of ways. So they tend to be very skinny, and they tend to be children. It's an auto immune disease. The most common type ninety to ninety five percent of diabetes now is type two diabetes, which tends to be older, patients and onset. And they tend to be overweight. Insulin is not low so type one insulin very low insulin comes to be quite high in type two diabetes cause that's the big difference. But for the most part, it's type two that we've been we've we're worried about now, we've heard this thing called insulin resistance, and I don't think it's very well. Understood. Can you explain what that means for our listeners and also this thing called metabolic syndrome? Yes. So in some assistance is so insulin is the hormone that moves the glucose into the cell. So if you don't have insulin, of course, the co stays outside in the blood, and that's why because his high that's type one diabetes, so incentives low in. Type two diabetes insulin is high. So they call the insulin resistance because there's lots of insulin. But for some reason that insulin is not moving the glucose into the cell, and that's called insulin resistance, and it's really the sort of underlying problem of metabolic syndrome, which is defined as a constellation of things, but includes for example, high blood glucose high triglycerides than though HDL, which is part of the cholesterol panel, abdominal, obesity and high blood pressure. So those are constellation of things that tend to all go together. So high blood pressure high cholesterol, high blood sugars, they all tend to go together. And the reason we worry about metabolic syndrome, so much is that really raises your risk of heart disease and strokes by quite a long now if we were to ask diabetes experts and most health professionals diabetes, it's it's a chronic and progressive disease, right? Dr phone, and you would say, no, no, no, it's preventable and even reversible. But most of your colleagues would look at you. Of a little skeptically. Yeah. And this is the thing is that we actually know hundred percent that this is largely reversible disease type two not type one. So we have lots of studies, for example, where people lose weight and their diabetes versus. So we have lots of studies of say bariatric surgery where people got the surgery to cut their stomachs the they can't eat. And the interesting part is that you can take a person who's had diabetes type two for twenty years and within sort of like three weeks, it will have disappeared. So clearly, it's not a year reversible disease is that the treatment was not correct. And this is the main thing is that we focused on drug treatments, whereas we should have focused on dietary treatments when we get people to lose weight that diabetes. You know, reverses you can prevent it you can reverse it. But you can't do it with drugs. And that's the big mistake. 'cause I we've been trying to use drugs for a dietary disease. And if you do that you'll. Never feel it'll never work and therefore people say, well, it's reversible this chronic because the drugs don't make any different. We'll we'll wait a minute. No. You know, a lot of the diabetes experts will say, but with the drugs, we can control people's blood sugar their hemoglobin A one c looks fabulous. We got him down from seven point eight to five point six. Everything's fine and dandy. What's wrong with that picture, Dr phone? Yeah. The problem is that that the high blood glucose is the symptom of the type two diabetes, and what we've done is that we've pretended. So if you say, well, what causes the high blood glucose? It's like, oh because you have insulin resistance, you have type two diabetes. So the high blood because it's the symptom of the disease is not the actual disease. And what we've done is. We've controlled the symptom, but not the disease. So for example, if you have a infection, you have a fever at the fever is only a symptom of that infect. Action. You could take the see dominion or Tylenol and bring down that fever. No problem. But if you have flesh-eating bacteria, you need antibiotics, so this is the thing is that if you control the symptoms, they might look fine. But the underlying disease process has not been controlled. And this is the same thing. If you give somebody insulin, for example, and in type two diabetes where they have too much insulin ready. The blood glucose will come down. But what's going to happen? They're going to gain weight, and then they're type two diabetes. We'll get worse. And then they're gonna come back and you're going to put them on more insulin. So here's the thing. If you start off taking some pills, and then if when and more insulin and more is land, even if your blood glucose was fine, your diabetes, the underlying disease, diabetes has been nothing to get worse. And that's because you haven't actually address the underlying problem all you did was covered up by giving these medications to make the symptoms of better. So no. Different than putting a band aid over bullet hole and saying, wow, I can't see all the blood. So everything must be fine seductive fund the answer, then is for people with type two diabetes to lose weight. But losing weight, it's hard. Yeah. And that's the that's the thing is that. That's why people need this support. And that's what would have to do and also newer dietary strategies because a lot of people have tried all these different strategies, and the one thing that they haven't actually tried for a lot of people is something like intermittent fasting. And it's interesting because that's a literally the oldest dietary intervention known to mankind. And yet somehow we think that it's not affective. But if you just think about if you don't eat your blood sugars will come down with your blood sugars were too. Hi, this is a great treatment that your body burn off that sugar, and then you'll get better as you continue to do that you'll lose weight, and as you lose weight, nobody will doubt that your type two diabetes. We'll get better. And this is a treatment. That's completely free. It's been used for thousands of years, and it's Vail but everybody it's not like expensive or anything. It's not something that you have to go to some specialized clinic, you could literally do this today. Now, I think Dr fund that a lot of people hear about fasting. And it's kind of scary. They're afraid that they'll feel terrible. Is that true? Then they wonder we'll what do you mean when you say fascinating because he said, well, twelve hours you eat and twelve hours. You don't eat most people's. Hey, no problem. I have breakfast. I have lunch. I have supper. Yeah. I could give up the snacks. So case closed or other people will say, well, I've heard about fasting. I need to stop eating for a week at a time. Boy that would be really really hard. And then we've heard from other guests who say, no, no just stop eating after three o'clock in the afternoon and a lot of our listeners that yeah. But I I really am used to eating supper. So help us understand what? Do you mean when you say intermittent fasting fasting is any period of time that you're not eating? So if you're not eating for twelve hours that's a twelve hour five if you don't eat for sixteen hours. That's a sixteen hour five and classically you only drink water much of that time. Of course, you're sleeping. So it's not that difficult. But it does mean giving up bedtime snacks. And all this sort of stuff fruit and that evening, and all this sort of stuff. So it that's all it means. Now, some people will sort of make it a little bit more lenient. We can have herbal teas and green teas and sometimes coffee, and so there are variants of fasting. But that's basically it any period of time that you're not eating. So it could be twelve hours. It could be sixteen hours. It could be twenty four hours. It could be twenty four days. All of that is still fasting anytime that you're not eating. So it doesn't have to be seven days. It doesn't have to be seven hours. It could be any time that you choose. And it doesn't have to be in the morning 'cause it doesn't have to be at night as any period of time that you're not eating that. It is fascinating. So if you want to talk about that say, you know, so that sorta scheduled that people use the sixteen aid is sort of a very popular one. So it's essentially neat for eight hours of the day and you fast for sixteen hours a day. So it is a little bit longer than a sort of normal nineteen seventies day of twelve to fourteen hours and what you're doing is. You're pushing that to sixteen hours, and you're letting giving your body a bit more time to burn off that sugar because again body can naturally use up that sugar. That's actually making us sick. Now, so sixteen hour fast. For example, is an eight hour eating windows. If you eat say from ten AM to six PM, that's sixteen eight and you might do that most, you know, six out of seven days sort of thing. There's there's lots of other schedules and really there's infinite variations of twenty hours you could twenty four hours, and then you can go to the multiple bathos as well. Well, that defined as a matter of fact in the back of your book, the diabetes code you. For a couple of schedules allow one four and intermittent thirty six hour fast in one for an intermittent thirty hour fast is their research to support that kind of intermittent fasting. They're lot more evidence coming out. So you look in the last couple of years because for you know, many years nobody thought fasten was a good idea. So they did it in the sixties. And when they did these studies in the sixties, they were not talking about twenty four to five thing they were fasting and people would go without food for sixty days. That's the type of fasting that they did. And some people got into trouble with that. If you're skinny, and, you know, not well there as you're not eating for two months, you're gonna get into trouble. So that sorta gave everybody a bad name the whole research sort of died out, but we're not talking about sixty days without food anymore. We're talking about wanting sort of twenty four hours thirty hours, and that's nothing different than you would do. For say colonoscopy preparation or something something that is fairly easy to do. So so in the last couple of years, there's been a few studies looking at alternate day fasting, which is sort of this thirty our every other day or two to three times a week sort of thing they've looked at it for weight loss. If looked at it for diabetes. There's very interesting data suggests that it can be equally effective to standard calorie restriction diets, which are fairly difficult to keep up in the long term. And there's more and more data coming out look showing about the talking about diabetes reversal. Because again, it's a natural solution to lowering your blood sugars as opposed to taking more medications. Dr phone most of our listeners and most of your colleagues learn from stories you like to call them case reports, and I wonder if you could give us a few examples of people that you've worked with in your career where intermittent fasting has worked and how they've actually. Implemented it. Yeah. So we actually just published the case report of three patients, and is in the B M J. So the there three patients who are all on insulin fairly high doses sixty units. I think eighty units in a hundred and twenty units day, which is very high doses. And they had been on it for quite a while. So on average they had been I think on the insulin for like five years or so and had a duration of type two diabetes for about ten to fifteen years. So all three of them used a twenty four hour three times a week schedule. So that's basically dinner to dinner or lunch to lunch. For example. That's a twenty four hour fast. There's just under twenty four hours. So if I ate lunch today, for example, I wouldn't eat again until lunch tomorrow. So that's just under twenty four hours, and they did this two to three times per week. These longer schedules are for people who have more severe, diabetes and all of them came. Off their insulin between five and eighteen days. So and they've stayed off for this entire time to the three went off all of their medications completely and the third one had been on insulin plus four medications for pills, and he came off three of them. So he went from high dose of insulin Slough four medications to just one single medication. And the the interesting part is that their blood sugars were actually better than when they were on all that insulin. And it's because we control the root causes the disease which is all about excess sugar in their bodies because that's the whole problem. So all three of these patients who had been told they had chronic type two diabetes that they'd be on innocent the rest of our life. We took him right off. And it only took the longest it took was eighteen days. Well, let me interrupt you right there because most people would say, okay, we we get what you're saying. Dr phone, you gotta lose. Wait. And if you're fifty or sixty pounds, overweight, it's going to take months, maybe even a year to lose all that wait. But we've heard that people who have bariatric surgery often have their blood sugar normalized within a few weeks. And here you are telling us that you know, these three patients were able to get their blood sugar under control after just a few weeks. How is that possible? Without losing all that weight because you can't lose so much weight in just a couple of weeks. Yeah, it's not just about the weight. So you're exactly right. Those studies of bariatric surgery show that the diabetes you can take a four hundred pound person and the diabetes will go away, and you know, three weeks, and there's still three hundred eighty pounds. So they're still significantly overweight. And it's because it's not simply about the weight. It's really about getting the insulin levels down and getting rid of the inter paddock. And in Japan cryonic fat that that's really the big issue. So the body stores. Thought but that doesn't necessarily turn into sugar. It's really the fat that is inside the organs that is really problematic for type two diabetes. And that's why we measure the the waist circumference when you look at metabolic syndrome. There's no wait criteria for that. It's all measurement of the waste the weight that you carry around the ways as much more dangerous because reflects the amount of fat you carry inside the organs. So you can actually get rid very stringent regimens like bariatric surgery or fast and can actually get rid of the inter paddick and the in Japan cryonic fat much more quickly because the body will actually take the fat out of those organs before we'll take the fat out of the other places. And that's how you see cases. Like this which are well, proven me. No this happens because see it all the time bariatric that you can get the diabetes better long before the wait actually gets better. And that's that's that's been tastic. Because that's the one thing that's really making them sick. You're listening to Dr J. Samsung, he's a Canadian nephrologist an expert on intermittent fasting for controlling type two diabetes. Doctor Fong is the co founder of the intensive dietary management program at Scarborough hospital in Scarborough, Ontario, Canada, he's written three popular health books. The most recent one is the diabetes code prevent Henry verse type two diabetes naturally, you'll find a link to his case report publication from our website people's pharmacy dot com. What's so interesting about this work is that things can happen? Very quickly. I mean, so fat just a couple of weeks, and you begin to see dramatic changes in blood glucose levels. Right. So it obviously is not just the weight loss. It's other things as well. And it's not just what you eat. It's when you eat, and you know with Americans grazing throughout the day. Day eating five or six meals. It's hardly any wonder that we're having such problems. I mean there really is no such thing as a healthy snack. I think we all need to remember that. After the break, we're going to talk about the diet that the American diabetes association recommends what should people avoid and what should they eat? Is there a connection between eating sugary foods and having a bump in blood sugar the links between insulin the diabetes and the obesity epidemic are still controversial? How come we'll a low-carbon broach were for vegetarians effective is this way of eating for people who have diabetes. You're listening to the people's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon. If you've value the health information, you get when you listen to the people's pharmacy consider subscribing to our Email newsletter. You'll get the latest health news and information on upcoming podcast delivered to your inbox twice a week look for the link at people's pharmacy dot com. Welcome back to the people's pharmacy. I'm drove Raden Terry Graydon, if he would like to purchase a CD of today's show or any people pharmacy broadcast. You can call eight hundred seven three two two three three four. Today's show is number one thousand one hundred forty three that number again, eight hundred seven thirty to twenty three thirty four or you can find it at people's pharmacy dot com. You can also download the free podcast from itunes or from our web store. We invite you to consider writing a review today, we're discussing diet and diabetes. Why is there so much controversy about what people with type two diabetes should eat is it really possible to control blood sugar or even reverse this disorder by changing dietary patterns, our guest is Dr Jason Fung, a Canadian nephrologist and expert on inter. Commitment fasting for controlling type two diabetes. Doctor Fung is the co founder of the intensive dietary management program at Scarborough hospital in Ontario, Canada, he's written three popular health books. The most recent is the diabetes code prevent in reverse type two diabetes naturally after failing. There has been a huge controversy in the world of diabetes when it comes to diet. If you look at the ADA the American diabetes association, preferred diet, it it has a fair number of carbohydrates included. You know, like grains, for example, and Dr Bernstein, Dr Richard Bernstein, who's been a guest on this show has written books on the diabetes solution, for example. And he talks about how important it is to cut back on carbohydrates, and he's gotten into quite a fight with the DA as a result of his recommendations. I'm curious about your thoughts with regard to carbohydrates, the DA, and they're. Perspective on what is a healthy diet, and which foods people should avoid and which foods people should eat. Yeah. That's a great question. So the American diabetes association died if you trace the lineage of how they came up with this diet, they actually had no idea what they should recommend at the beginning. So they basically went with a diet that was the same as everybody else at the time in the eighties. We're talking about a low fat diet because we were convinced that the, you know, the fat in our diet was giving us heart attacks, and it probably wasn't true. But if you go back to the eighties, everything was low fat, this low fat that every fat was bad. Now, we've recognized that there are lots and lots of healthy, fats, KADO olive oil and nuts and study after study shows that say eating nuts. It increases your heart health. So it's a healthy fat. So fats went bad for you. But back then they thought it was if you're going to eat a low fat diet. Then you have to eat a lot of carbohydrates 'cause he can't really amp up the protein that much. There's only three macronutrients fat protein and carbohydrates. If you reduce the fat you keep the protein roughly the same because it's very hard to go super high protein, then you have to eat a lot of carbohydrates. But it doesn't make any sense because the thing is that we know that refined carbohydrates so things like, Brad, and rice and potatoes are the foods that raise the blood glucose the most. So why would you in a disease of too high of blood glucose, why would you eat the foods that raise it the most that doesn't make any sense? So that's the whole problem. So these refined carbohydrates sugars were you know, they they had this real battle. Whereas like, well, we go and say that that dietary fat is okay. You can't because the rest of the world has convinced them that eating Fateh so bad for you. So therefore, you have to say without any evidence that eating carbs is. Okay. Even if it's bread and rice. And potatoes. But that doesn't make any physiologic sense at all you're eating the very foods that are going to shoot the blood sugar way up. So I think I agree far more with Dr Bernstein, I think it makes no sense to eat those foods. Now, if you're talking about, you know, being and other complex carbohydrates, leggings and stuff the the effect on your blood glucose is not nearly the same as the eating bread white bread. So white, right. Brad, your blood glucose goes they up eating beans. It goes up a very slowly. So there's a huge difference even within carbohydrates. I don't think it's necessarily have to avoid all her behind grades. But the refined carbohydrates. There's really no reason to eat it if you're eating white bread. It's like why why would you do that? There's no nutrients in there. I mean, you say, okay. Well, there's some vitamins, but that's only because the add the vitamin fact to the white flour. So you're better off meeting, you know, reducing the refined. Carbohydrates and not hearing the fat because there's a lot of these fats that people had said was super bad for us that really just weren't. So even now if you look at the saturated fats, there's a huge debate has butter bad for you. And it's like, you know, I don't think it's that bad tech your son. Is there connection between your blood sugar and the sugar that you eat as or perhaps drink in sugar sweetened beverages or in those lovely snacks that we were talking about perhaps candy bars or cookies such things or granola bars. All of those added sugars, and that's the fructose. So there's two types of sugars glucose, which is found in all carbohydrates. So Brad, for example, or flower that's mostly glucose and sugar, which is super gross is fifty percent glucose and fifty percent fructose. So when you talk about a lot of added sugars, that's mostly the fuck this on the fuck does. Part of it is super bad for type two diabetes because this actually goes straight. They'll never and gets turned into fat. So this is the whole issue that when we glucose like red, then your whole body can use it. So your muscles can burn off the new close, your liver, your kidneys. They they all help burn off his glucose, but if you eat fructose and sugar is fifty fifty then only the liver metabolize it, and it gets turned straight into fat. And that's how you get the fatty infiltration fatty liver, which is I think before is the major problem with that Beatty's as fatty infiltration of the Oregon, so the the sugary sweet, you know, sugar sweetened beverages. The fruit juices, candy bars for all the bars. All those things we've added sugar are much worse for you than just regular carbohydrates containing foods. But if you had. Choice. I'd go for the sort of non-carbohydrate or no carbohydrate foods. Not only we talk a lot about how important it is the lots and lots of vegetables, and the idea that there could be vegetables that could be a problem is sort of an oxymoron for a lot of people that just doesn't seem possible. So I'm sort of wondering if you could talk about good vegetables versus maybe some vegetables that are potentially problematic. Dr Burstein has been critical of things like carrots and potatoes. He's cautious about fruits and fruit juices. He is very big on asparagus, and broccoli and Brussels sprouts, and cauliflower and escarole and green beans. So how do we know which vegetables to eat and which vegetables to be cautious about? Yeah. I completely agree with Dr Bernstein. Because again, if you think about it, the whole problem is that there's too much glucose in the body and in the blood, so if you're going to eat starchy vegetables, so he sort of green vegetables, leafy vegetables above ground vegetables. They're they're mostly fine. But root vegetables, like carrots and potatoes. They're actually stores of energy for the plant their roots. So they store energy and they store glucose. So putting a lot of glucose in your body when you're disease is that you have too much glucose in the body is just not a great idea. Yes. Carrots have other you know, antioxidants and all these other healthy things, which is fine. If you're not diabetic, if you are you do have to be a little bit careful of that. So the main differentiating factor to me is the sort of the stuff that grows underground. And it's very starchy than those ones. I'd be a little bit more cautious of as opposed to things like brussel sprouts. And the thing is I grew up off the ground. Which I think you'd really don't have to you can eat as much of that as you want. I mean, nobody ever gets that eating broccoli sort of thing that you find has you presented to us. It makes a lot of sense that insulin is driving the obesity epidemic. They diabetes epidemic. Why is this idea still controversial among your medical colleagues because it is? I think it's because everybody's been raised on this whole idea of Towery, which is a very unfit Zia logic thing because the body actually has no calorie cat counters. It. Doesn't know how many calories you're eating and the truth is that if it's all about calories than I could just drink diet drinks and fake foods fake fat fake sugar. And I just, you know, there'd be no abusively crisis. It'd be no diabetes epidemic. And if that was true, I'd be the first one to say, yes, you should just eat these, you know, fake sweeteners and all that thing, but it hasn't happened. And the reason is that we all we all get sort of blindsided by this idea that a cholera as a calorie. But you know, that's not the question. I asked the question I asked is are all calories equally fanning that is is a calorie of. Cookies the same as a calorie of broccoli. And they're not when you put the cookies or the the broccoli in your mouth the minute. You do so the hormonal response to them, I was completely different. So you put cookies in your mouth or anything goes skyrocketing up. Where'd you put broccoli in your mouth? It doesn't there's a huge physiologic difference. And your body is going to respond to that differently. But there's so much advertising about calories, and it's mostly because the sports drinks people want you to believe that you can drink sugar and exercise and everything's gonna be okay. Coca Cola Gatorade back one of advertising. It's a lot of money that goes into that. And a lot of that money has infiltrated into the medical profession. They they promote this idea that calories are calories. But that's not the point are all calories. Equally fattening and a calorie of sugar is not the same as a calorie of kale. It's just doesn't. There's nothing to say. About them. So don't pretend they're the thing. So that's why there's all this confusion. And nobody teaches people and says, look, let's think about this from physiologic standpoint what's happening in the body 'cause the effect of those foods on your body completely different. So why for penned otherwise, no Americans love protein, and there's been this sort of, you know, anti carbohydrate craze. And so people say, well, I'll just I'll just go back to steak and burgers. And now, I've got the problem solved. But what if you're a vegetarian how do you handle this low carb approach? Well, I think that the thing about it is that they're you don't necessarily need to go low carbohydrate. The problem is not carbohydrates per se. The problem is the infant affect. So if you could take our behind rates that are, you know, unprocessed, and you know, and you're not eating all the time. Then they're going to have a lot less insulin effect. Than say eating often. So eating a Muffin and eating beans are not the same the beans. Have a lot of fiber, for example, that is going to help slow down absorption. Make sure that invent doesn't go to high beans are Amolo Paxton C, which is a lot less absorbed by the body. Then the wheat which is Emma picked in a so again, there's a huge difference in that. So you if you're vegetarian you still have you you can do very well and lots of traditional societies have done very, well, but the key is not to focus so much on the carbohydrate. But look at the facts, if you eat things that have a lot of fiber that's gonna help keep the instant effect down. If you eat lots of unprocessed foods because processed foods like flour. For example, they strip out all the other stuff other than the carbohydrates. So they strip out the protein they strip out the fat. And so therefore the end of the grind it to a very fine powder. So then when you eat it, it gets all absorbed instantly, just the same way. That people grind up cocaine and snort it because it hits the blood really fast flowers. The thing you grind it up. Your cure fi, your grinded up gets into stomach. It just goes shooting into your blood and your sugars blood sugar was skyrocketing up your insulin, go skyrocketing up, and that's not because of the week. It's because of the processing that happens with us. So yeah for vegetarians. There's still lots of options to do. But the key is still going to be cutting out the sugar cutting out the refined foods and not eating all the time. So making sure that you're eating sort of part of the day and fasting part of the day. Okay. Dr Fung, our listeners and most Americans like simple. So tell us what? In your experience works best for most people who want to follow an intermittent fast. Does that mean stopping eating at three o'clock in the afternoon? Does that mean the twenty four hour fast? Give us a nice. Easy program that everybody can follow. Yeah. So the best thing is first of all just to say restrict your eating periods to like, eight hours. If it stop eating at three. That's that's a very good strategy cutting out the late night meal. So I'd say one is no snacking like there's really no such thing as a healthy snack. Number two is restrict your time. Periods of eating to say six or eight hours, or whatever you want to follow try and keep that more to the beginning or mid middle part of the day now that doesn't work for everybody because some people their main meal with their family is at dinner, and you don't want to interfere with that. So always remember to do it works for you. But that's fairly good advice. And then if you wanted to lose weight, or you have more way to lose or you have more diabetes, then you might consider going up to say twenty four hour fast, which is one meal a day. So if you go lunch to lunch, for example, that's twenty four hour five or twenty three and a half hour five and. That might be done two to three times per week. So that's a similar in idea to the five to to die at which is something similar, but not exactly the same in summing up. How successful is this approach for people with diabetes or for people who are maybe twenty or thirty pounds overweight. Can they expect this to actually work? I don't think anybody denies that. It works. If you don't eat you're going to lose weight. There's almost no way you can avoid it. The key is to be able to put it into your life that you can do it on a regular basis. So does it work. Of course, it works. If you don't eat your sugars, we'll come down, and you don't eat you're going to lose weight. The key is are you going to be able to stick with it? And that's where all these other things are important finding out a schedule that works for you doing it a certain days of the week getting people who are going to be supportive of you getting doctors and health professionals who are going to be supportive of you because it will work is just. Matter of being able to stick to it. Dr Jason phone. Thank you so much for talking with us on the people's pharmacy today. Thank you. You've been listening to Dr Jason Fung. He is a Canadian nephrologist that say kidney specialists, and he's internationally recognized as an expert on intermittent fasting for diabetes control. He's the co founder of the intensive dietary management program at Scarborough hospital in Ontario Canada. His most recent book is the diabetes coat prevent and reverse type two diabetes naturally. And Joe I think one of the most important points that he's made is defined a schedule that works for you. So that you can stick with it, you we had a interview not too long ago with the woman who said I just stop eating after three o'clock in the afternoon and as long as I don't eat after three. I lose weight. I think the idea that there is no healthy smack is also worth keeping in mind. And I recognize that there are some people who say I want to eat dinner with my family. I'm not going to stop at three o'clock. We're going to eat at seven fun, but don't eat after eight o'clock. Don't have you know, the the snack in front of the TV, right, and perhaps perhaps weight and not have your breakfast early. Wait until it's lunchtime. Exactly. That's all the time. We have thank you for listening Lynne Segal produced today show, our Dr ski engineered us and Dave Graydon at its interviews that people's pharmacy is produced at the studios of North Carolina, public radio W human, see the people's pharmacy. Theme music is by BJ Liederman, if you'd like to buy a CD of today's show or any other people's pharmacy broadcast you can call eight hundred seven three two two three three four. Today's show is number one thousand. One hundred forty three that number eight hundred seven thirty to twenty three thirty four or find it at our website, people spina c dot com. When you visit our site. You can share your thoughts about today's show. Have you tried intermittent fasting for blood sugar control? 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November 24: Admitting defeat

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November 24: Admitting defeat

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On rwandans. abroad is very real. Don't come from away. Tensions are high in newfoundland and labrador between rotational workers. Who just want to see their families and people who worry they're bringing cova nineteen home moving pictures photographer. Edward pretend ski donates his early work to the school where he developed his craft in hopes that his large scale photos will have a large scale impact on young artists. Getting under highness's horse after a guest expressed outrage at the crown's portrayal of prince charles's fly fishing techniques a listener gallops to the defense of princess and equestrian prowess and burying your head in the santa after the pandemic through a grinch into the rest of twenty twenty the residents of ontario street thought immediately after halloween was the best time to start celebrating christmas as it happens. The tuesday edition radio that understands. They had no l. else to turn before long. There will be very little american military presence in afghanistan and iraq in his final days as president. Donald trump is withdrawing almost all us forces by january only twenty. Five hundred soldiers will remain in each country. Tim kudo fought in both iraq and afghanistan. The former us marine captain wrote about his reaction to the troop withdrawal in a piece that was published in the new york times. Today we reached. Tim khuda in brooklyn new york. Tim what is a difficult for you and seeing the military drawdown in afghanistan. I think what's difficult for me is to realize that after nineteen years of war or that we were attacked in obviously aghanistan and one that we unfortunately started in iraq that all the people who died all the people that we killed And that's not just enemy but it's many many billions hundreds and thousands of civilians caught in this war. All of that is basically for nothing. We sacrificed our entire use many of us and now in our middle older ages. We look back and you see that it was wasted. Was there ever a time during those years when you thought it wasn't that you thought that you were doing the right thing. This is good work. So i think after nine eleven here in america most people thought that the war in afghanistan was going to be what we call the good work and obviously the war in iraq was much more controversial but in those early early part of two thousand two when we were still just in afghanistan. I think a lot of people were very committed to that war later on as we got into iraq obviously became much more murky but many of us felt that there was an obligation to the iraqi people. The afghan people based around what our country has done. We couldn't just cut in and leave them to genocide or civil war and so many of us who continue to serve or joined in those later years. I think that was what was driving much thinking. And so when i went as part of president obama surge in two thousand ten to afghanistan. I think. I hope that we would be able to salvage. Dow comes originally hope to achieve in that country. I'm leave them free baird democracy and unfortunately in the years that followed it became very clear to me that we weren't really committed to winning the war. Achieving those objectives we were more committed to Either maintaining the status quo or essentially committing to a withdrawal without realizing what we're willing to sacrifice to attain that and only recently have we basically have advocated any obligation and responsibility for that country. Even the peace talks with the taliban right now are basically being taken. Half-hearted by trump administration so essentially we've given up and we still have people there that are risking their lives and none of it really even make sense anymore at least at one point. It's sort of did and so. Have you concluded that in afghanistan united states lost the war. Absolutely you mentioned about the good word. Peasant obama called it a afghanistan. The just war. Unlike iraq which he didn't regard in that way i heard that from soldiers and also journalists aid workers who believed that it was adjust war and that they felt that their well someone said that their heart have been broken. Realized that it wasn't was there any redeeming quality in your mind to the war in afghanistan. I hope that if there is some kind of ceasefire between the taliban and the afghan government now that the current government which is a much better government than the taliban Less oppressive and brutal to its people will hopefully be able to maintain some space that country For the citizens who live under its rule but i fear that it will essentially become a fractured country. Probably be back into civil war or be taken over completely again by the taliban and i agree with that your sentiment there that woman aired workers saying many people have said is that you know the country is in. The taliban era was brutal towards his people. So it it's horrible to me that we gave them a sense of hope and we sat there drinking chai with them telling them that we gonna stay in that. We were committed to seeing this through because we wanted the local villagers to help us and stand with us against the taliban and the insurgents there and then we essentially abandoned them. And i don't think that the american people grant you the people. In the coalition countries have come to come to grips with that lie and that failure to live up to the r. Word it was also this double mandate that the something that can canadian armed forces struggled with and that there was a nation building exercise there to make it safe for girls go to school to to build institutions in the same time carried heavy weapons and kill people. Was that contradiction part of the failure. It's a challenging question. Because i think that there was an entire doctrine military doctrine of counterinsurgency warfare. In theory behind it that has worked in some places in the past hundred years. Clearly it did not work and iraq did not work in afghanistan. There is a huge challenge between being constantly trained to defend yourself against an enemy while simultaneously. Any of the people around you that you're trying to help could be that enemy. I think that challenge made it nearly impossible for many of us to go there and do the right thing at all times because the enemy exploited that they knew that do double mandate as you mentioned. made it extremely vulnerable to their tactics of the population or getting the population to plant bombs. And so you're walking out there and you're trying to build these wells and opening schools and at the same time the people that you're helping better smiling at you may also be trying to kill you and you have no way of knowing so was killer be killed absolutely killed on human rights abuses there those who point the finger also at the nato and the united states that there were civilians arrested. They disappear there rendered. They were tortured. They were killed sometimes just for sport as we recently learned from australia. What do you think. The legacy is of our participation in that war in that country with afghan people. Like i said in the the times piece. I think that each war that every individual soldier sailor marine fought over. There is kind of its own war. Egypt valley is different from next each villages. That the next so certainly in those places where were crimes were committed. The people there will have an intensely negative view of what we stand for. I think we had an obligation to kind of stand up to the best radios and clearly. We failed that. In many many cases. I do think that the prevalence of war crimes and other atrocities like that is rarer than maybe a lot of people might think it is because i do think that most people who went over there were trying to do the right thing but even if we exclude these kinds of You know hunting civilians or these horrible things that you read about in the front pages of newspapers. There's accidents that are happening constantly. When i was over there we were in a firefight and two villagers on a motorcycle came over this hill and we thought that they were trying to attack us we. We didn't know we tried to warn them off. We tried to wave them off and wearing shots and things like that and they didn't move and one of the marines that i was with swore that he saw a muzzle flash coming from them. And we're in a very woman old position so we fired and killed them and they had nothing on them. There's no weapons nothing. We're in a firefight with the taliban the civilians kind of enter the the battlespace and so you do what you think you need to do to survive you kill them and then their entire families are surrounding you screaming and crying taking the bodies to be buried before sundown and atrocities like that definitely happen and they happen with the best intentions and so when we send people over to fight these wars. We need to acknowledge. I think before and that these things are part of war war fly anywhere for any reason will include these kinds of horrible events and were morally responsible for them was a mistake. Invading mistake i mean with hindsight i think it was certainly mistake but it was very very hard to say after nine. Eleven that we shouldn't do that there was psychological. Need i think in this country for that revenge and for that sense of justice and that overwhelmed any kind of rational thinking. But i think if you went back and you're able to say when you do this you're going to be there for nineteen to twenty years and you're gonna lose this many people and it's gonna cost trillions of dollars and your kids who haven't even been born when nine eleven happened are going to be fighting in that war. I don't think anyone would sign for that tim. I appreciate you being so frank with us and thank you for speaking with us for help. Topple thank you. Tim kudo was a former. Us marine captain who served in afghanistan and iraq. He was in brooklyn new york me newfoundland and labrador premier. Andrew fury has a stern message for rotational workers. Follow the rules. Yesterday the premier announced that workers returning home from outside the province will have to test negative for covid nineteen after self isolating for seven days. That's longer than before. The change was made. As cases and tensions continue to rise in the province. In the past couple of months there have been cases linked to rotational workers returning home from covert hotspots such alberta angela. May's husband is a rotational worker at an oil site in alberta yesterday she publicly shared her husband's christmas isolation plans we reached at her home in lewis port newfoundland and labrador andrea. You wrote on facebook that you hate having to post personal info. So why did you Because i've been getting a lot of enquiries from my clients and the general public vote my situation where my husband's rotation of worker and the fact that i operate here so mountain and the pressure was starting to get to me. They clients that we use the com- because they think my husband is here and we checked me was cold so i felt the to finally put rest to rumors and questions. Okay so what. What does your husband right now. He's way at work. So he's in alberta in christina. Elbert yes what what are his. Christmas plans He was planning on taking a week off from his skit for christmas. But due to all the pressure. I'm getting from my clients and everything. He's decided to take a full shift off work. Which means he's going to be home for six weeks with no pay than is normal too so that he can do a fourteen day. 'isolation get a cold for test and be able to be here with me while i'm working through the christmas season. Well he'd be with you while he's an isolation no well he. According to new for man rules he is allowed to isolate in the house with me but my clients are having such a fuss about that because my hair salon is in my house and the fact that i would be in contact with him. He's arranged With a friend of ours that leaves out of the province that has taken home there to go there for two full weeks. Let not near me for those two weeks and my clients can come here with an easy mind. After his two weeks he'll get a test or what at yes we're rotational workers in new zealand. Right now it used to be Five days but now after their home seven days they can get a covert test and if it's negative. They were allowed to commit of their relation for whatever they had left. But now It's after seven days and they're still and not to go in any public places and to wear masks if he's in contact with me your mother or father of my family okay. So in order to keep your business going. You're you're husband has to miss a full rotation of work in alberta. Yes yes just tense are things in newfoundland and labrador right now. All of their bad rotational workers are getting slammed on social media. When my husband comes is always latian after his tests he has two days when he can go to a dentist or a doctor or go to the hardware store and while he's there somebody will come up to him and say. When did you get home. You get your race relations on it and you've been tested. And how have they tried to. I guess Your your husband. I understand he had quite an experience when he was visiting his parents. Oh yes well. The we had actually had six people here for supper for my birthday and a week later nine or ten days later and his parents live next door so he he's back and forth visit and nine or ten days later the impeach show at all so they got anonymous. Call saying that we had a party and which we did not. He has had his kobe. Test darned has results back so we were free to invite the six people that are in our extended bubble in our house but It's very difficult when the cops show up at your door nine thirty at night and questioned you about this and people are between talking about it over. You had a big party roku forty and explained to them. No we did. Not you know you've got to tell people your personal business and escaped very difficult. This isn't a previous visit from your husband. Yes when he was home in october. Well of course the issue i guess. Part of the issue is that Newfoundland labrador has seen fifty two cases of covid nineteen since september and about a third of them have come from people who are returning and most of those coming back from alberta so there is reason to be concerned is they're not well yes and no until last week don of those positive cases of re rotational workers resulted in another inspection last week Dearly apparently somebody somebody wasn't affected and they had a gathering and There's a coaster and there was another one in grand bank but also until last week that had happened. The numbers of infections labrador are. I mean as high as they are in scary. The are for people in your providence. They are so much lower than as you know. Most parts of canada and so especially alberta alberta has to surging cases. Are you worried about your husband going back to work. I worry even when coping. Because he's on a plane and he bought the camp that my husband works at and a lot of other camps are miles. The woods with his crew goes in there in there for the two weeks. They're moniteur he has to eat his meals alone. There's no common area where any of them gather so the only way he would possibly catch it would be on a plane and my husband ahead that suit on the plane because i have copd and he doesn't want to bring anything home. That's going to affect me. Wow that's a lot of of effort to keep you guys gusts safe and a lot of ravana or doing that. So it's not fair that we are being ostracized and treated this way and you know it's not fair that i've been your songs for thirty five years viacom for eighteen years. I shouldn't have to lose my business because my husband has to go away for angela. Appreciate hearing your story thank you. Well thank you for being interested in that. Okay you too bye andrew. The maze husband is a rotational worker. We reached her in lewis port newfoundland and labrador Edward brzezinski sees the world from a different vantage point than most of us quite literally. The canadian photographer has been decades. Taking bird's eye view shots of tailings ponds sawmills potash mines and garbage dumps the industrial landscapes. He captures are as devastating as they are beautiful but long before he captured these scenes from the air. Mr tinky honed. His craft at ground level in toronto. He says it was his time at what is now ryerson university and a school assignment that got him on capturing how humans were bending nature to their needs today announced he's donating his archival images to his alma mater. We reached edward. Pretend sqi in collingwood on -tario we know that you have taken photographs and films around the world. You've we've seen your recycling fields in nairobi. Potash mines in russia when you were back as a student at ryerson pictures were you taking that as a young thing well the things i actually fell in love with where Things around which was a lot of nature so i ended up doing a lot landscape photographs and also Did things around the industry in saint catherine's so I looked at the gym plants. And i used to love going to an abandoned factory and all the machinery is still in there and take pictures there and the canal ships would go by and i'd be fascinated with that so i kinda grew up with industry all the way around me and as well as Looking at these great ships which always boggled my mind going through. The canals can be right up close with them. We used to be able to stand right beside them. So you can just see the ships go by You know five feet away from you and that was quite something as a young kid so you started off like many people taking pictures of nature that but you were drawn to industry you are drawn to these well not just to the wonders of industry. But just it's the dark side of industry where you created them in their sort of their ugliness and their beauty. So what were you to that well actually. It was interesting. That my first real like powerful recollection of industry was my dad. Worked at the gm plant and there are these. Large hammer forges That work there the whole time and it was one of the signatures of saint catharines if he ever went down on -tario street mckinnon's plant and the whole area would shake as these plants with pound out. Apparently it was a steering knuckle for the front steering of a car. And you know. Senator looking at these massive forges with red hot ingots and guys in these aluminum suits Looks like space aliens flipping these reading gets and And just thinking that you know this world that i kept hearing as a kid my dad worked there and all of a sudden being able to see that world so always fascinated me that the car driving and going by there was created in a place like that and that we never see these places but they're kind of massive and surreal at the same time so i think there was just a pure fascination at the beginning that turned to kind of Dread as i began to see how we were expanding it around the world and the environmental degradation you have captured so extraordinarily but was there. Something at ryerson was it. Did you get directed in some way that led you to work that you did well. It was actually this assignment. I got the first month of school. They're from teacher. Called rob google and and he said Gloat and photograph evidence of man. Now i know that would be politically correct today. But but that's what it was in nineteen seventy six and i kinda side as Escaped card from saying. I have to always be implicated and beat the observer me to kind of think of looking at The world is if i was an alien. And as if i had to kind of report back to some other intelligent species about what we as a consciousness in species here are doing to the planet and to me it was it was an interesting kind of and i think in some ways i continued along that simple idea of collecting evidence of the greatest Examples of human incursions into nature into the things that we need to survive one of the most striking things about your work when at first hit the art scene international seen it is that you were working in color and you at what was fashionable was to shoot black and white at the time. So what drew you into using using color in these in these. These huge landscapes in your work color was largely reserved at that time for commercial work and especially large format so car car shoots and wine bottles and liquor bottles perfume bottles. You know had the budgets to make these beautiful glossy double tate's spreads in magazines and that's what color was largely being used at the time and very few artists working with it and i thought as an artist gave me a chance to kind of be at a pioneering edge edge of trying to think of art and photography in terms of color as well and it came out of twelve years of shooting nothing but black and white and at the time in the mid seventies. Everybody was shooting thirty five millimeter. Black and white high speed film like triax doing street photography that seemed to be the mode That was prevalent at the time. And so this was a real different approach to the medium and most people studying the four by five. Were doing commercial work in the studio. So i decided to take that studio camera into the field and then indust began my career in that kind of slow methodic. You have to get a tripod out there. You have to really sit and think and It wasn't cheap to shoot large-format film so it really made me stop and think and be very contemporary of about the image before i took the picture elseneer instruction at ryerson that led you to this idea that things should be that big. I mean it was just an idea of go big or go home. No i just thought that. If i wanted to go into industry and i had the opportunity to look at some very large-scale industries. While i was putting myself through school. I worked in the mine. North north of red lake and i worked in the factories. Gm and ford. So i saw industry at scale. So i understood. That skill was really a part of of You know of that world. When i found scale it seemed that there was a greatest possibility of creating this moment. Where what i'm showing to. The image is is something that looks completely surreal. Doesn't look like it should be possible. Always makes us as humans. Small actors in our own theater are making so. I was always interested in that that we are kind of almost subsumed by our own worlds that we have created to create our world so so we did diminishes us as figure in in that landscape. Now that you're donating your your archival images your early work to into your university. What do you hope students get out of it. What do you hope to the school gets out of you. Having that in its possession. Well i think in the work that i've done has been kinda very methodic. Progression and ideas led to another. I think what what the body of work having it in one place. We'll show is Is that you can take an idea if it's strong and and and big enough at the beginning and begin to just work at. It's almost like taking one idea. And then finding all the fastest that the idea just kind of turning the turning around and around in your mind and looking for other facets for it's really about that curiosity the constant evolution of an idea that that can create a body of work over a long duration. And for me. it's over forty years. Well it's a very generous gift. And i hope that The students get out of it what you want. Would you put into it. And it's good to talk to you at thank you thanks. Carol take care bye bye. Edward pretend ski is a world renowned photographer and artist. We reached him in calling on -tario and you can see some of the archival photographs. He donated to ryerson university on our twitter page at. Cbc as it happens Did you know you can get all your favorite fall drinks delivered right to your door. Well you can with drizzly. The number one app alcohol delivery compare prices across your local liquor stores on a huge selection of beer wine and spirits. 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A bbc investigation recently revealed ceremony that took place in two thousand seventeen at the rwandan high commission in london reporter. Andrew harding unearthed a video of about thirty people. Taking a loyalty oath to the country's governing. Party the rwandan patriotic front promising to fight quote enemies of rwanda wherever they may be unquote. The news follows other reports of rwandans in the diaspora being threatened or targeted by the government of president. Paul kagami the rwandan government denies all the allegations. David him barra says he has been harassed. He's a rwandan canadian activist. Who used to work for president. Mugabe we reach mr barra in toronto. Barra what did you make of the bbc report exposing the so-called loyalty oath ceremony in london. Well i was not surprised You know this goes on all the time we have a government in your rhonda the to six to control all aspects of one lives with a incited rondo tied so swearing in nevada and embassy is basically a routine Will controlling reinforcing control mechanism. Yes there were wandering. High commission says that it's it is routine because it's voluntary us to something that that rwandans in the diaspora due in support of their government. Th there's nothing various or or evil about it. What you say to that is for them to say that to be expected. The thing is if you don't do it. Regarded you're considered as the enemy of the state and what are the consequences of being considered an enemy joined in state. Oh the consequences can be severe. Use it to take revenge on your relatives insider in your wanda in terms of former former prominent one Government officials that Fled into exile It's no surprise that Quite a few have been killed over time. Goldman mail among others reported on this over the years reporting on the claims that they were death. Squads dispatched from rwanda in order to hunt down visits people who criticize the state of a wanted. We aware that travels we were you were you. Are you ever pursued for laughing. Well let me give you an example. I mean this people dying in an Been going on his. The fuss major thing was in nineteen ninety eight kenya. It has happened in the interview. Guide has had tended to mozambique. It has happened in south africa. Now i used to be the in south africa myself. I remember in october twenty twelve. We were joking with my friend. Touchy kinda. Yeah the for my interrogates chief from rhonda who was exiled in south africa. So we were at my house Joking that The government of wanda uses tech polite. They cbo's Place they know to averse in one go so in december just few months after we were joking. I can't even get to toronto because they have family here. For christmas holidays No on behold the same guy will jordan win patrick credit. Yeah who was basically. It's stronger in a hotel in johannesburg on the festival. Twenty thirteen and and in this case The court south african court determined that. This came from rhonda. The people who did this are known on and the government has refused is not weirding to engage african government. Two hundred people so this is nothing new in. This is for me by the way this is just mentioned of kariya. I decided not to go back to south africa. I stayed here. Can i ask you about that because you had been working for president in rwanda. He he recruited you to work with him to be an adviser. You were living in canada for many years. Why did you finally decide to quit. What was it about the work around present again me that finally let loose made you flee that job. I worked for him for from two thousand and two things didn't work out. I left i went back to to south africa. Then he convinced me to work for him again from 206 a fled one at this time for good in january twenty. Ten one of the reason as i witnessed a beating Beating a senior official. That was it for me. Mr. gandhi personally. Beat someone before you saw that happen. Absolutely don't have to take my word for it because the lead toronto. I did an interview with the new york times and told him this and then they need with johnny he did not deny it. He said where i just pushed him. And you know the same person who was beaten in two zero zero nine. He he just died in prison. Mysteriously and their own government has denied many many times that it is involved in any thing abroad going pursuing with death squads but they say the same time that dissidents traders Must pay the price when you when you aback in canada you gotta call and twenty eighteen from a friend and edmond. And what did he say to you. You see when. When i came back to canada i took this danger seriously for about a year. I had to assist official assigned to me to make sure that. I'm okay here so now fast forward to twenty eighteen this One person calls me. And says i have been Instructed to approach you to make sure that you don't keep your campaign against the government of wanda by you know trashing it and writing negative blogs zone that with you must stop so i said well wait a minute. Are you willing to speak to to talk to the police about this. And it yes he did. He said yes i will. He did so that he spoke to add. Modern police and i spoke to toronto police as well so they did that. Investigation and also alycia. Npr still got involved and unfortunately the police has a houston. Release the report because they say that it's still an ongoing investigation and yet when we see what bbc has in this video this loyalty oath of the people. In the the asmara. They proclaimed that if they betray the rwandan government. They must be punished by hanging. And that they will pursue enemies ever wander wherever they are. So are you still endanger even here in canada. Yeah absurd yes but you see. This is why the police canadian officials told me since way back. And i still go by it. I still those rules to be safe. First of all. I do not get involved with wanting community i do not. So that's one number two. I don t trove tonight. You know in dangerous chona's toronto and the three. I do not travel anywhere on the african continent. That's out of the question. Of course. I have relatives in your wanda. I do talk to them. They don't talk to me because You know all these phones and things are monitored and you're not you're not alone in feeling concerned for your security. Do you think. The countries like canada. Continue to be so supportive of the rwandan government and we're wanted to get an enormous amount of foreign aid. Why do you think there's not stronger. Criticism polka gummy. I think the goes back to this. the guilt. There's this western guilt over. Having failed to basically get involved in this talking of genocide in one thousand nine hundred four could do no wrong so they gave him putting a countries that i kinda is a little bit of paternalism to the credit of the government. He had nothing to do with wanda but this new government is acting to the one that is closer to a guy. Justin trudeau government. Yes which which is odd. But i says that is a little bit of opportunities When canada was trying to get this In the unit un security council trudeau active quoted. People like her gedney who for their votes. I ask you one final question. Will there be consequences for you having done this interview with us. Oh no that's one thing. I would stop doing. You'll be doing but we'll there will doing this interview. Will this caused trouble for you know you know. This problem turned me into human rights activists. Which i was not. That was just ended. Boring academic economist. But having for this this now i have to keep going. There is no stopping. I have paid the price my brothers in prison. I have to speak with reason. I speak to the united states. Congress have given testimony. That is really nothing to lose and more to gain the because the more people listen to this perhaps more over politicians also might develop a heart and say hey. This is wrong to be engaging with this government. I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you bye-bye david him. Barra is a wand canadian activist. He was in toronto. When we asked the rwandan high commission in ottawa offer response they referred us to a statement issued following. The bbc report. Denying any wrongdoing. It reads in part. The bbc made false and misleading allegations. Concerning event held three years ago at the rwandan high commission in london. This story is part of a wider narrative fabricated by various anti rwanda movements hostile detractors. Some anonymous and at least one disgruntled former official david him imbera. Who makes wild. Blanket claims about rwanda's political system that go completely unchallenged We're all thinking about politicians included. What will the holidays look like. During this pandemic last week quebec premier francois ago his conditional plan allowing groups of up to ten people together for four days. Around the christmas holidays family members would be allowed to attend different gatherings and the provinces relying on a moral contract asking people to isolate for one week before and after today premier league. Oh clarified that plan limiting quebecers to to gatherings now that plan is being criticized by public health officials and even by some people don't celebrate christmas. It's as though every province and territory has different rules. Which of course they do. And it's why manitoba's premier can take aim at quebec while being asked today if he had advice for leaders in alberta. Here's manitoba premier. Brian pallister answering a question from a journalist with the canadian press. What would you say. They might learn from manitoba's case because while case arising in september and october there were there. Were cautionary notes from you. And dr rusen about limiting contacts. They were somewhat vague and not very specific not a not a very complete. Crackdown until recently. What advice would you have for alberton in terms of dealing with the serbs of. It's starting to see their brand new grand niece and red deer. So i got a conflict of interest on this one Steve thanks for asking. Every premier is doing their absolute best. Every government across country doesn't matter politics. Don't matter here. They shouldn't matter now. I'm try to tell the opposition that here but they seem to forget but the fact that matter is we're all in this together but not every province has to take exactly the same approach. And so i i don't want to get into quarterbacking other provinces premiums. They're doing their absolute best except to say this. I think it's dangerous What the quebec premiers decided to announce on. I think it's dangerous and i i. You know he's got run that province. And i respect premium ago. But i will say to manitobans. And i've been called by one paper here. I think i was called a number of things but the grinch was one of the things. I'm not trying to deprive people of a wonderful christmas. I'm trying to make sure that this year. We define christmas differently and the way we define our holiday season. This year is that we're doing our very very best to keep all of our family around so that next year we can all be together at christmas. That's a different way to celebrate. It's not an easy way to celebrate. It's not the normal way to celebrate but it's the right way to celebrate the way we have to do it so sick going to be easy. We've got to do it together. And by gosh when we get through this thing we'll look back. I hope with pride that we've done the right things. And i think the right thing to do is not to tell people you can get together in a larger group at the holiday season as tempting as that is. I think that's a mistake. That was manitoba's premier. Brian pallister today when it comes to christmas the residents of brennan way do not mess around and this year. They aren't waiting around either. Three houses on the street and the community of scarborough ontario are already decked out with lights and decorations. And they've been that way since right after halloween. Nighthawk mackenzie is one of the decorators. We reached him on brennan way. Nighthawk what what. I see if i were to drive down brennan way this evening. You would see a whole lot of christmas lights okay. We often see that on the streets but this goes a bit further. Doesn't it yes it does From the moment you turn onto brennan way from seawalls or from the moment you crossover Wickson drive you can kind of see this glow in the distance and it gets brighter and brighter as you get closer gives a sense of the tour. I would have if i drove down past. I guess three houses of brennan way. Yeah there's three three houses it starts at two twenty two ends at two twenty eight. Which is my address. although I'd say about twelve thousand. Led's probably about thirty five blow up decorations thirty plus floodlights all kinds of sparkling led ornaments such as like different animals. Things like that lots of candy. Canes lots of christmas cheer and you can hear the music come and when you get closer well how do you have a sound system yes actually To twenty two has a A little sound system setup and and i have Speakers up in the trees that to twenty eight playing christmas music throughout evening. How many hours of christmas music do you play It it's it's just playing some Christmas internet radio It starts at four pm and it plays until nine thirty It gets slightly lower volumes than the later hours. Don't want to disturb the neighbors kind of thing okay. So now you've done this before. This isn't your first rodeo and christmas. Right no this is For for myself and my wife. This is our tenth year My my neighbors to my immediate Right the patterson's they've been doing it for about fifteen years now. This is a competition. No it's not really a competition it's kind of a Collaborative effort. I guess would be the best way to put it Our neighbors down at two twenty two They just recently in the last four or five years started decorating They celebrate diwali festival of light. So you know that's actually something for them to just go to it and and participate along with. Okay so they they. So they've joined in so now. I this is this year any more extravagant than previous ones. It's a little more extravagant We went out and spent a little bit more money on a more lights. Just a really great it up. But that's kinda you know. Pardon the phrase. Griswold of me but Yeah it's a little brighter than it was in previous years is that because to compensate for all the gloom around. Oh absolutely you know. It's been a it's been a gloomy Few months We do. Halloween is well. And you know that's usually a big show for the kids but due to the restrictions they. They didn't have as much fun at halloween. Is they normally do so. We were kind of in a hurry to get out there and put something out there. There has to put smiles on their little faces as soon as we could. What's the what's the decoration or the installation. You're most proud of out there. what am. I most proud of out there. Well this year would have to be are seeing tower. We saw that we picked it up. And that's perfect. you know. we're in toronto. And what better. Way to stand tall and say we're not going to We're not going to go quietly into tonight okay. Whoa you're seeing tower described that for us. It's eight feet tall. It's silver it's sam tower and it has a hundred and twenty blinking sparkley. Led's it's in the middle of our lawns surrounded by fifteen nazari fourteen little christmas trees. Okay so the district the dour. I mean you have these sort of the usual santa clauses and all of that right. Yeah air balloon decorations. Everything from santa claus reindeer to spongebob and all kinds of stuff that makes kids mile. What are people saying about your decorations. Oh we we have people coming up the walkway every night. Some knock on the door or some way through the window all positive. Thank you very much you know. We appreciate the kids. Love it and you know that. That really puts a smile on her face. 'cause that's why we do it. It's like the kids smile. We understand that not every adult will appreciate what we've done we get it. Everyone's got their own thing that the kids wanna back. Have you had complaints None not directly. What have you what indirectly have you heard. Oh just some negative comments. I've seen here and there on some of the post About our displays. I i i don't It's very few and far between so it's not everybody's cup of tea i did. Some neighbors are from just other grinches. other grinches. our neighbors that aren't participating in the decorating. They love it you know. They offer to come out and help. What is it that you and your wife lake so much about this. Well i like to. I like to build things. And like like i just i like putting on a show My my wife. She's always been heavy in the christmas. Spirit loves the decorate. both inside and outside we spent most of our time together as apartment dwellers so we couldn't go outside of our little slow when all spuds since we moved here and we had a frontline. Yeah she went nuts. And i helped okay so i guess the only thing that's missing from this scene is some snow while we got some snow. The other day it. It snowed quite heavily there on sunday and monday. And it really made the whole. The whole display look finished but it doesn't stick around so you need a big dump. Don't you oh i would love to become but we'll get it it'll come you know. We were fortunate enough to get it all set up when it was twenty degrees. I'm sure we'll be wishing for that weather again in the near future their nighthawk. I hope you have a great christmas. Thank you thank you enjoy nighthawk. Mackenzie is a resident of brennan way in scarborough neighborhood of toronto. You've been listening to the as it happens. Podcast our show can be heard monday to friday on. Cbc radio one non sirius xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the cbc listen app. Download it for free from the app store or from google play. Thanks for listening. I'm carol out for more. 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Although Ben lines playing a big part in the Senate, Bob because his friend gave Polsky who set him up with his wife at the canned film festival that Strobe revealed other documentaries called in search of greatness, Gabe is the director Ben is executive producer go to insert your greatness dot com to find out where you can find the documentary, which is one of the best. Of the year, an excellent films agape is going to join us and talk all about that. No lines din. Do we have an every man, Dan Stanic? Yes, we do. Excellent. And Rick pass or do we have an indefens- of? No. But I do have a review. Excellent. As always go to itunes and give us some love Eric movies at a former police, please rank them in five stars and leave a review I checked a recent review stinging rebuke of Rick Passmore's role on the podcast. But that's all right. Because you know, what when Ricky asked for a raise at some point go, listen, the razor is making zero money. I'm gonna go pass more. Unfortunately, this with this jobber over here said say who who's talking bleeding me. He said he likes me, he likes dance dance. All should be. Not everyone likes stands because he is the every man, so he's by nature. So we ever ever loves dancing. He likes Dan a lot. And he goes, I don't care for the identity phrase. I think he's a pompous attitude or a long winded stuff and Passmore. Yeah. Feel like I would be getting the pompous. I know one guys doing well written review with high falutin verb. And pass forces coming from the heart about like these schlock movies. He loves guys got very pompous grandeur like, wow grandiose. I'll put that on my resume. You'd better come in hot. Now at LA otherwise they're review today. I want to be especially grandiose to come back at this guy and see if he can upset him the screeners are still coming in. I've got eighth grade. Although my tire crew is seen eighth grade. So that's all right. I'll pass along some of the movies when I get them. I mean, I'm going to watch the myself, and then burn them in ever watched them again. But I have to go out to the movies, of course. And it's so good to see a movie in a theater, if you get that opportunity, especially when it's a small independent film, which may not get an all love or maybe because the Oscar consideration it will. And I'm talking about can you ever forgive me? That's a new film from Melissa McCarthy stars and Richard E grant who is seen stealing as her barfly. The story is this. It's based on the true story of Lee, Israel, who was a writer of some promise you had a couple of successful novels, but then wasn't able to publish anymore biographies, and what she was focused on. She couldn't get anybody. Interested. In and her agent had said to her listen your whole like let's make this clear. You're not a friendly person on a nice person. So even if you have a book, that's good or worthy. No one's interested in it. Either have to have an incredible subject, but you don't have or have to be a nice person, which you are not. So you can complain about John Grisham getting all these fees. But this is the way it's going to go. So she rather stumbles upon this idea, and the movie sets it up beautifully that she's one of these caustic cat women. You know what? I mean. This is not fun loving Melissa McCarthy. This is not warm and generous you normally see she is a crank who lives with her cat and his miserable. And one day. We'll do some research. She comes upon old letter from a famous author and realizes she hatches this plan of what if I forged letters from long dead authors, and then sold them for a price to memorabilia. So soon enough, and this is actually an example what a good writer. She is because she has to emulate these long dead writers by reading one of their notes or novels and trying to imagine what they would right. In the letter. But the plan goes while she sells it to one. Memorabilia collector gets hundreds of dollars cases, another one. And as so often happens whenever you're involved in any sort of crime. A once you get that once let's keep getting away with it. And so then, of course, the story knows you're eventually going to be win over your head, and you're gonna get caught, but the real strength the movie is McCarthy's performance because listen prior to this the best thing she's ever done was crapping in the sink in bridesmaids. And since then she's done a lot of movies where I think just kind of repetitive of her persona being big and bombastic, and now this is a real character while not giving up the humor because even though this is a drama and the headlines going to be Melissa McCarthy's going straight so to speak in terms of dramatic theater. But the characters still has humor to it. And because she's caustic as I said, she's got a real sarcastic bite in her line readings which I think is a comedian. She's able to deliver. And this isn't the first example of a comedic actor showing they can be dramatic actress Steve Corrales done Jim Carey's done it and so on and so forth. So as she's developing your plan. Meets up with her old friend, Richard E grant who if you're wondering who he is. He's only as actors you've seen these movies all the time. He was in Bram Stoker's Dracula. He was great in score says he's age of innocent platelet, Larry Leifer. It's he was an Elliot's story. I loved him with Steve Martin a real stretch of the early ninety s and he's one of those guys I said always pops up, but he's never had a role as big as this. And it was so good to see the movie because it's a real a showcase ninety for Melissa McCarthy. But also, Richard E grant and the first thing he comes in like, bam. You already got it. You know, he's he's this guy. Who's just looking to get after it. And the here of Melissa McCarthy is he said he becomes her barfly. Her confidante. He's the only one who knows about the scheme. He starts helping her with this game. And his performance is a real joy. And I'm really happy that it looks like she's not only gonna get nominee for best actress. But he is a really good chance at best supporting actor nomination. It's nice. When these actors have been acting for thirty years, they finally get nominated for the first time. So the strength of the movie is the performances the characters these if you wanted to the true story, I'm sure you can Google e Israel and find out what happened to her Tiber wrote a great review in the Boston Globe. He spoke of how New York now. It's so gentrified, and then you have to remember a time where people are moving out of Brooklyn, rather moving to Brooklyn. And this movie is a good reminder of nineteen Ninety-one me. It's because it's the return of that great movie archetype, the mean nasty New Yorker we haven't seen them in a while. Appears they don't exist anymore McCarthy really nails that Israel so check. Okay. Never forgive me. I'm giving it three and a half Maple Leafs. Mike Golic junior of all people after I saw the review also tweet the he really loved the movie as well. It's definitely up. Dan stands. Exactly. Yeah. Real quick on Melissa McCarthy, and forgive me, if I've asked you this before but had a little debate with some cousins and friends months ago. You know, how there's like a lesbian lists whatever. Celebrities. Where would you say Melissa McCarthy is I think she's A-List because she can open a movie her movies make millions and millions of dollars. If you give her a script to, you know, high concept comedy, boom, I said like be plus, but okay, I thought I think she's just if you just looked at sheerly the track record of remove all, right? Even when they stink. They do make a ton of money. I she has to try to dramatic chops before Saint Vincent as movie I liked a lot with Bill Murray. People keep saying it's the first time ever seen or dramatic way. Well, she actually did it before at Saint Vincent's a really good movie. But this is the first time as a lead role a secret for second way to recommend is what they had sounds familiar while Robert Forster's in it. He spoke about onset of foul. Hopefully, you can check out the interview having listened to it. But the movie is about a family dealing with Blythe Danner. She's the mother suffering from Alzheimer's, Robert Forster is the long suffering husband and Michael, Shannon. Hilary swank play the siblings were trying to figure out what the best recourse is for mom. So the story starts out with mom. Having an issue. She keeps leaving the house disappearing. So Michael Shannon plays the Duda. Full son. He's there in Chicago calling. Hilary swank the daughter to say going to come up here. I need help. We're going to think what to do. So Shannon, say we're going to confront Robert Forster put her in a home. Of course forced to the husband does not want to do that. All he has in his life is his wife. He can look after even though she's disappearing and clearly her condition is deteriorating. But he is very staunch and that he wants to be the one take care of her and the Hilary swank has caught in the middle. You've seen stories like this before in terms of Alzheimer's and family strife. But I thought it was particularly well done. The first two thirds is a great scene between Hilary swank, Michael Shannon, in which they're fighting the way siblings must do. And it's never an easy situation as to figure out what to do with parents. And even though it's a heavy watch. There were some moments of levity the along the way, even my my moment of disappointment those that the final third of the movie isn't as strong as the first two-thirds the first two thirds feel like a four maple leaf movie while those all classic kitchen sink dramas great cash Academy Award winning a Hilary swank Academy Award nominee, Michael, Shannon. I can't EMMY award nominee Robert Forster, Blythe Danner. Like, you've got this great actors really tearing their teeth in a really good script, which is Cobra. Written by Nicole hall of center, who's your really good writer and director. She did a movie I love with James Gandolfini and Julia Louis Dreyfuss called enough set. But the final third movie ends up letting excuse me, Elizabeth chomp co wrote the script I'm thinking about another film. But what ends up happening is that the story kind of. I don't want say it goes paint by numbers. But it actually it's the rare film that needed a little more length. You know, it's a it's a ninety three minute movie. It's the rim. We that probably should have been about two hours because the first third sets up what to do with mom, what to do with mom what to do with mom fighting between dad funding between son fighting between son and daughter that eventually the final third kind of ties up loose ends. I think in a movie like this. If you're going to tie up the nuts, which you probably have to have some resolution. I would have liked more time given before we got to that point. So it's the rarely that I think should be a little bit longer. However, I do recommend it primarily for the performances of why Michael, Shannon. Not nearly as psychotic is normally at this time playing more every man guy. I like, I said a dutiful son. But it's a good movie. I'm giving it three Maple Leafs router Forster's fantastic. I mean, God I. I just got him on the podcast because he was available and I wanna talk with Jackie Brown. But he was right. I know he was very price for the of the film. But he was right. What they has we worth watching. So hopefully, you can go check it out last week before we get to our interviews of gay Polsky a twin Bill here for you. If you will Orson Welles when the great filmmakers of all time, a new movie on Netflix and a new documentary on Netflix, which when you want I want the movie you want the documentary, go moving movies a disappointment. It's so misshapen in so unfocused so all over the place. I can't properly recommend it. Although Ryan Johnson the director. I saw just tweeted because it's one of the best movies. It's an absolute masterpiece. And you know, he directed on the Star Wars movies, and he was this should be seen for years to come. And I'm like, listen, maybe that's the opinion of director because they're so in love with Orson Welles, and there's moments of Wells' bravura, certainly and John Huston plays. The lead speaker Robert Forster, the if you listen to the Robert Forster interview here in Sinophile, he doesn't John Houston impression. Then go watch the other side of the wind because John Huston plays the lead role. So I had even more enjoyment from the film because. Picturing Robert Forster doing an impression of him and the best line the movies and John Huston. You the end says you can kiss my sweet ass, but the movie as I said a so misshapen because it's two stories. So the one stories about a director in the last Dave is life is he playing Orson Welles. Maybe that's John Huston, and he's got Peter bogdonovich there who's playing a young director who doesn't Prussians, and there's a female film critic is probably based on Pauline kale, and they're all Custer riding him and his final day of shooting and the other half the movie is the movie he's making which as the documentary makes clear is like an imitation or a parody of those European art house dramas that were so in vogue in that era like Antonioni film. And so the problem is that the stuff of the Houston and Bogdanovich and the Pauline kale s characters fine. Because as I said, it's it's watchable, and it's interesting, but then he cuts it up with seems to the movie, and the movie makes no sense. And I understand that's the point is that this director is making a movie, which is so ridiculous. And so trying hard to court that art house audience, but as a as a viewer, you just go this is this is just too all over the place. Like Rick pass for may take something from it. I think Ricky might enjoy it because it's on Netflix, and why not give it to watch. But the documentary is outstanding. It's one of my favorite movies of the year in my favorite talks. The it's so good and anybody who knows me knows how much I love documentaries are stories about the creative process. That's where the Larry Sandra Garry, shandling dachshunds me. I enjoyed so much injured apple, but this is about Orson Welles in his life, and particularly this film. And it's got one of the great titles of the year. The love me when I'm dead, which Peterberg Donald said Orson Welles said another actress has no he never said that just sounds like a good line to say, I like the fact Morgan Neville did a documentary and says, well, we're making a tunnel the movie, which I also want Dan stands it to say at my funeral when I get killed by a bus in a year. They'll love me when I'm dead. That was verse believe he said it every day of his life. He would say on the pocket. The love me when I'm dead shrew was the head of my tub, but Wells' stories amazing for those that don't know. Of course, he you know, he did citizen. Kane. He was twenty five years old. It's the Grassley of all time. But to think as a person wherever you are in life, whenever your occupation is if you peak at twenty five with the rest of your life must be when you're chasing. It's always like a drug actor chasing that high that you can never actually get again, if no chance of ever getting there and the studio the studios studios plural in Hollywood punished him for it. Because the fact he had a certain amount of chutzpah to them in a certain amount of arrogance to him. He was going to do things the way nobody else did. Okay. I'll get punished then magnificent Amerson, which is an excellent of family drama, very influential, Wes Anderson loves it, Royal Tenenbaums. He says is in very much impart based on his love for the magnificent, amber Sens, the studio re cut it because they did like wells as version of it and they massacre the movie ended up being his appointment years later wells was able to re cut it and that versions the one most people can see now. And it's a great film touch of evil is a great B-movie wells plays the villain it at the the opening shot. When I was at Ryerson, Billy nobles might great teacher. He was said something about great tracking shots and right away. Goodfellas obviously the COPA shot. He's a who. Here has seen touch of evil. And I'm like, oh, yeah. He's the first the first shot touch of evil's amazing, if you'll forgive the fact Charlton Heston is playing a Mexican in the way, which is a bit of a reach. But. Wells as the villain is amazing. Just as this corpulent sweaty sheriff is so or the movie, and the directing is awesome. So on the basis of those three movies wells is great. There's other moves f for fake and criterium released. In addition of that, they say they love there's other films of his that. Now, you know, if you look at it, I think over time people enjoy them more. But those are the ones that are major ones. So other side of the winds the movie he's trying to make in the late sixties? But he couldn't get any money. It's crazy. This guy is one of the great filmmakers of all time. He can't get mine to make this movie. He's got John Huston story, and you see clips from talking to reporters saying John Huston. It says if heaven exists I should definitely get admittance into the pearly gates because I gave John Huston the best role of his life. And this new movie called the other side of the wind, and they're like Orson is I could've played the role because it's based on a director. I could have done it. But I'm giving it to John as a gift to show. How magnanimous I am. And like, do you think this is the best meal you've ever made? He's no my next move is gonna be the next the best ever bake hit a funny guy good sense of humor and the documentary shows not only him filming. Way. But also talking about the reporters and agonizing over it and Peterberg Donna vici became a good friend of his who in his own right wasn't acclaimed director early in his career. But never matched that his best work is Elliott on the sopranos, but he never was able to match his work of those early movies and he directed, and he ends up becoming a good confidante of wells. And so again, if you have interest in movies are about the creative process if you have any interest in Orson Welles, you should definitely check out. The love me when I'm dead the documentary currently available on Netflix, along with the film the other side of the wind, and it's not solely about the making of it. There are certain sections of it. But there's a good job explaining Orson Welles is life may very torture family left. I didn't realize what hap- with his parents since the very interesting watch. I'm giving that for me beliefs. I'll give on the other side of the win to Maple Leafs. Just because it is interesting at times. But I don't think it's nearly the epic. We're all hoping for I lasted the Grinch peeling. Peter Travers is pretty much nailed it. I mean, it's fine. I'll give it to April Leafs. Good time waster contended kitchen app with the kids colorful, animation Benedict Cumberbatch fine FIS nine. Exactly Jim Carey, if you know, the story of the grant, you know, exactly what happens, and that's about it gave Polski now in search of greatness, check it out. In search of greatness dot com is where you can find where the best documentaries of the year. Find out where it's playing there you oddly enough it's titled in search of greatness, and it comes from documentary filmmaker Gabe Polsky conifer. Join us right now. It's in a found gave thank you so much for the time today. Yes. Think what I know first and foremost my boy cabbie the star. Because last Friday in Toronto, I'm filling in for Stephen a Smith, and Ben lines is frantic his we need to host in Toronto. I said my guide cabbies the best. It was going to go the documents screening anyways. And then he went and sought along with DJ Bennett. I hope it was a great crowd there in Toronto. He told me Mark Shapiro. Is there the Blue Jays vice-president, he talked a lot of analytics and creativity. Just tell me about that night back in my hometown. I. Yeah. It was cool. It was cool. You know, obviously, I was really excited to bring it to Toronto because you know, Gretzky, and, you know, just the whole country, and you know, it was it was great. And you know, the fact that surprise came was was interesting. I didn't know that he was in the crowd until you're until cabbie pointed it out, but he was he was very intrigued who's kind of scratching his head afterwards. And you know, it seemed like he was in some kind of deep saw. But yeah, he started talking about how. You know, that you know, basically superstars are kind of self evident. And you know, you don't really use data. There's it's you know, you can't really analyze that superstars. Right. But then he sort of talking about how the guys below that that, you know, you kinda need this data. He was saying to to kind of because the the difference is so small, and and you know, that you kind of have to look to the data to understand who's gonna kinda survive in the league. Basically, that's what he was saying. That's interesting. That would be his take on it because you're right. What part of it? And what's great about the documentaries that you picked guys in Wayne Gretzky, and Jerry Rice and Palay their the focus of the documentary of guys who do not look like superstar athletes at first glance. And what's most interesting about Gretzky? And you know, this haven't been you know, college hockey player at Yale. And I know this being Canadian knowing grassy stories. Well, as anybody is that when they do those strength and conditioning tests Gretzky was always last like it wasn't like he's middle of the road like on the Oilers terrible at doing pushups, he can do any of that stuff. And yet as he explains the documentary with skills, like, anticipation, and creativity and famously parking behind the net. He was off the charts. Just explain though. Though. I mean, I I'm sure, you know, this though, it's almost like a rule of thumb like the stronger, it it's strange, but you know, college I felt the same way. It's always the guys that were last in these tr straight tests that were the best players. It's it's it's really strange, you know, and and and the reason, you know, these guys are the guys that are less they rely on other skills. And and and like you were saying at this patient and just talent. But talent just like come out of the blue. It's that they were, you know, practicing those those particular skills, you know, creative skills, the the show manship all those things that that are just not, you know, within weights don't do anything for right? And it's always the opposite yet coaches there. So, you know, adamant that you, you know, prove your strength and conditioning, and this and that, you know, but it's not really the skills that you need necessarily. I mean, everybody needs a certain level. Base strength. You know? But yeah, that's that's a very it's a very interesting. Kind of fact, you know, one of the best things that your documentary teaches that you need to have creativity in sports, and there's way too much rigorous teaching being done almost it's far to discipline. Like Gretzky says, you know, I would just be out there skating, and just, you know, messing around playing Jenny and just learning things Jerry Rice again playground. Like, we need to do more of that stuff. It should be less structured less joining the kids heads, and particularly, you know, you think about what soccer, I guess pale. You could symbol. Yeah. Isn't that? What guys you're doing? But when you look at what these coaches are doing Gabe. And you know, this now firsthand from like, a fundamental youth level, it's so structured it's so regimented, and it's still year round the go WI with any of these kids want to play any of these sports because they turn them off so young by these coaches, and it's interesting when Gretzky mentioned that he had good coaches, he talks about his dad, and he said, well, how much did he know? And he goes he knew enough which is a really good way of saying that most dads. They know their kids in well enough. They can teach them enough, right? Exactly. I mean, you couldn't nail. They're kinda hit it on the head. I mean, you know, that that's sort of a problem with they're saying with USA soccer that everything's so regimented structured, and you know, really if you look at where all the town is coming from Brazil, and all these other places these are kids that are playing on the street and just messing around, and and really kind of developing their improvisational skills and showmanship, and and you know, all those little little skills that you get when you're just sort of messing around and playing one on one against somebody. It's not in drills. You know, that's not worth greatness comes from, you know. So it's it's just allowing kids. Enjoy the sport, and and experiment and fail and use their imagination and creativity. That's where greatness comes from. Now. You know? And so, you know, it seems like our society. Listen, I don't have kids of that age. So I'm not seeing it first hand I will because I just had one. But you know, from what I'm. I'm hearing and seeing in parents is that it's becoming insanely structured and the pressures are getting higher and higher and parents want to feel like they have control over this that they're doing the right thing. But they're looking in the wrong places. You know, and I think the more pressure you put the worst performance, you know, kids get turned off, you know, 'cause it's just it's just not fun. And and really greatness is about having fun. If you look at all, these athletes, they're they're they're they derive the most fun from from just playing, you know, what I'm saying. It's not being forced to do anything. We're talking with Gabe Polsky his documentaries called in search of greatness going to insert your greatness dot com and find out where you can see it's really worth the watch. Well, my favorite parts gave in this is such a cool direct to'real trick. You did is when Gretzky is getting miked up. You know, it's kind of soft focus, and you sub tunnel. What he's saying? And I don't know if it's you or somebody who's with you is asking the questions, and he goes, no, I'm better when I don't know the. Questions. I keep thinking about that. I thought that was so cool. You know, the people who are the most gifted I find in life. Maybe I'm making to a extrapolation can certainly research has to go into something and preparation is important. But people were off the cuff are best at that. What did you take just from that limit? Why did you included the documentary? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think what he said, basically, I asked him if he knew what the film was about even because you know, I spent you know, almost seven months just trying to get Gretzky, and, you know, talk with his management that I thought for sure he knew what it was about. And and you know, all that. Because why would he sit down with me, you know, he doesn't need to. So it was very surprising. When he said, I don't know anything. And I don't wanna know what it's about really before. He sat down and interviewed me. And it just shows that listen, you know, the more. He's basically I want to think about anything. So that that's kinda inside the mind, and it wasn't meant to necessarily being the Phil. But I felt that it really kind of brought you behind the scenes about how these guys think inside their head. That they you know, there's a level just sort of improvisation like you're saying off the cuff that makes not just the performance better. But you're not in in your head. You're you're you're in the moment, you know. And that's what the best performers can do. And they don't like they enjoy that moment. And they it has to be kind of natural spontaneous. Because that's when the best performance happens. Not when it sort of planned and rigid. You know, we you have to react in the moment. You can't you don't have time to think when you're playing, you know, and I think the same as with interviews. You should just sort of, you know, there's a level spun natives enjoy that when you know when somebody stomps or just, you know, there's a sense of naturalist to it. You know, right. It's why you appreciate that. I didn't tell you the questions. I was going to ask you, look how your flowing right in. Exactly. On something else about Gretzky. And he's got the tape typical Canadian humility, we all have we keep mentioning locks is assigned a great coaching. Glenn say there. It was the perfect timing which is true hockey at that time was very free wheeling he was surrounded by great players, messy, curry, etc. You could score eight two, and that was just a, you know, an average result any points out luck. And maybe today's game would be a lot harder as you. And I both know the game hockey's different not offensive is in years past. But greatness is always there and the case of Jerry Rice. I look at the numbers he'd put up, and I think a journalist is playing now, he even more ridiculous. He's the greatest wide receiver all time. He might be the greatest football player of all time. And yet is he says in the documentary. I was never the fastest. I was never the strongest. I was just a great route runner. I was so precise with my routes. And again, you can say lock hit Montana. He had young Bill Walsh. But greatness, decifit survive. Don't you think rice would even better in today's football? I agree. Totally agree. I mean, I. Yeah. I mean, clearly, I mean, listen, it's more offensive, you know, so he would just put up better numbers. But it's it's interesting that jury. You know, I always I listened in a lot of his interviews. And he just, you know, just I'm sure you agree with me. But he's always just talking about his work ethic and just that he just worked in work and work. But in the film, he does bring a different side were, you know, he he talks about how he just loves the, you know, the performing, and and and and you know, putting on the greatest show ever he talks about how he loves the way. He, you know, he paid a lot of attention to how he dresses and just just the showmanship creativity. You know, and he it came out in the film, but he just he loves to harp on just this work. I think we all know sort of. But I I guess he he just does not want to. What's the word? He doesn't wanna come off of that idea that he he just he just will not accept it. Anyone even worked close to heart as he did, you know? And I guess he just wants to keep hammering that home. You know? But, but he did Jerry was a beautiful athlete to watch. I mean, he didn't you know? Then those years just amazing things creatively on the football field. And it was just beautiful to watch and play you agree. Absolutely. And I think that you're right. He had that kind of elegance that transcends. What generation he'd playing? Speaking of allegance. I'm an enormous Roger Federer fan as anybody. Who knows? I'm wondering if you have any chance trying to get federal for the documentary and another guy cabinet texts about is Steph curry, speaking of a guy who's unassuming, and yet creative, and brilliant and a guy and he. Yeah. Feller curry? Yeah. So two things you know, fatter. I did talk to his manager a few times. And it just didn't you know, he he's sort of so focused during the siege. Season. And that they don't guys never stop. You know, that I just he just said it's just impossible basically to get his attention. So I tried you know, and then and so I tried to include included fatter, Michael Jordan. Serena news people I tried to really include them at creative ways. Because clearly I mean, listen fetters kind undeniably the greatest tennis player now. And you know, what he's just so he embodies the concepts of the film, the sort of beauty and creativity. And like you said elegance. And you know, as far as Steph curry is concerned, you know, I really kinda kept it a rule of thumb that I wanted kind of undeniably, the greatest of all time, and in the film, you know, like like rice and disposition Gretzky and and Pele so with with Steph curry, it's kinda he's clearly incredibly creative. And and really embodies themes in the film, but not not he's not the greatest yet. But I do appreciate what he's doing. And and think that he's he brought again a new dimension to the game. And and it's sort of used his weaknesses and just really was able to, you know, bring a new element to the game and be creative. And really, you know, selling outbuildings performing is he's he's a showman. He's he's unbelievable. He does things that you know, that you sort of double have to double take. You can't believe, you know, talking with Gabe Polsky is documentaries called in search of greatness going to insert greatness dot com to get all the details there curious game because just an interview because I love the fact, you know, you put yourself in the dock not obviously in a way like like, a more would say, but you hear your questions you can have. I I in Red Army. You're great documentary. You install Fatih Soffer going back and forth. Little, but he gives you the finger at one point you concluded that the movie was there ever a moment with rice or Gretzky or payload that you asked a question that maybe they didn't care for. But they just didn't know how to react. You're just come in different exchange. You expecting? Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm kind of a strange guy a little bit. You know, just my my nature is a little bit strange, and you bring that up. I mean, I when I started directing docks, I didn't necessarily want myself in there, and you know, sort of timid and shy didn't want, you know, to draw attention to myself. But then, you know, basically one day one of the editors I was working with at that time kinda try to couple interesting things, and you know, at first I was like this is no way like sound like it it is. And you know, I don't want us in there and was embarrassed. But then you know, I screened it. He said, you know, let's screen it. And then people started laughing and thought it was kind of funny and interesting. So I kind of realized that it just it makes it feel better so way, not just that. But like, you know, sometimes it's just the way people react to a question that that that sort of draws out something unique and interesting about that character, you know, and it's not. So you need the question in there as well to kind of illuminate this side of their character. And so I just started. Kinda allowing that to happen. A little bit more than people found it funny. I mean, a lot of times, you know, when I was a kid people thought, I was funny. I I didn't even think I was fun. You know, laugh at things I said, but I didn't even like wanted to be. I didn't try it for it to be funny. I it was just weird or you know, what I'm saying. I think people sometimes just realize that they're what like verte Herzog. It's it's kind of a funny example, like I think he's the most hilarious guy. And I've worked at them. And and spend time with them. I don't think he knows. He's funny. He doesn't think you know, what I'm saying. He doesn't think he's funny. But he just is. 'cause I don't know the way he sees. Thanks. So it's an interesting thing. Does that make sense it does? Now you've opened a can of worms with hose because grizzly man. I remember I thought it was hysterical. And my. Yes. Such a funny movie. Even though it's, you know, this story the subject line is terrified tell me about working with him because it's amazing to be. Yeah. I mean, it's it's just so interesting. Because he's just such a different guy. And like, you know, his viewpoint has porn, you know, the way he thinks about the world is so kind of different. And and and, you know, obviously wise in in a in a lot of ways and just super interesting. So like everything he does he. He does it with this sort of unique perspective, you know. So what do you sit down with them, and you know, have dinner, whatever hang out, you know, it's just super interesting. And and you know, I don't know weighs on you. Or, you know, allows you to kind of also see the world a little bit differently. It's just it's just a rich. The guy was so much experience. And then you know, has dealt with seen so much and his life. And and and and put himself in situations that you know, are super interesting. And that that that's why it's such a great storyteller. Because he he really. He really, you know has seen a lot because he's put himself in in those positions to see a lot, you know. So it's just it was awesome to work with him on on ballot tenant. And then he sort of you know, stayed we've stayed you know, friendly, and he's been kind of incredibly supportive to me the thing of a bad Lieutenant, and I love the the tell able original is that burn hers like city wasn't making a remake which I never understood. Why be call it bad the tenant? Yeah. I know. Well that was because he don't actually. Yeah. It's kinda like, I know. It sounds crazy. But like JAMES BOND, where it's just, you know, each one would be like a different, you know, just. It's kind of a similar character. But in different worlds different story. You know what I'm saying? And so you're not remaking the first one you're not like, you know, what I'm saying. No. It's just another story of of this guy this badly tenant. You know? Develop it, and like, you know, people. Well, what do you call? Yeah. I mean badly, but it's a different story. You know, right. It's going to be even Lieutenant he just gets really nasty it's against Costa different level of that. I you're great college hockey player at Yale. When you win the Academy Award for inserts of greatness, and we have ESPN and the hockey department is as you know, John buccigross, Steve Levy me and Linda Cohn can we get a game together. And if so if we're going to pick teams, can we just make it clear that you and I are on the same team that will be great. I'll just feed you the puck you stand in for the net. Are you? Are you pretty good? I'm decent. I, you know. I haven't skied in a long time. And as you know, the key has tell the everybody hockey is skating like, you know, everybody that I've ever met my life if they can actually play it's because they can skate and those that can't skate are no good. So my point in this is I used to be much better. But I can still skate. So in essence, I still got the wheels game. All right. Well, I'll I'll find you. Yeah. So that'll be fun. We'll have Melrose coaching or do you want? Melrose to play. What do you think it'd be more advantageous to us? I don't know. What's he like, he was tough guy? Right to say, you know, what we should it'd if it was you me, and Melrose would be good because you know, I can skate. I know you're the best player on the team. Melrose because I- chirp too much when I'm Chirpin boots. Your Levy, Melrose will come in and clean up the mess. Yeah. They'll be interesting. Yeah. Well, I I look forward to that. Have you ever come to use PM on the way? Seriously. I know I have never been there. No, you're gonna come seriously open invite whenever you want to come. You're gonna come because I know, obviously, your big awesome. Yeah. You've had these sports themed documentaries. Not only Red Army. But in search of greatness, go to insert of greatness dot com. And check out a terrific documentary. I know it's kind of Riverview Scott Feinberg, a high reporter semi message much. He loved it. One to have you on the pod. So great stuff man all the best. And I know Ben lines is always indentity because he met his wife. Mariah I believe the post party for Red Army. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he keeps telling me that store. I didn't really do that much. But yeah, we had a great partying Hannah was just. It was rocking and rolling on the on the water there, and there is all sorts of people there. I guess Ben ran into his future wife there. And so I guess he's always indebted to me. I think that's absolutely accurate. The great game Polsky. Thanks so much of the time. They a pleasure. All right. So that was Polski, Dan. Don't you think gave polcy interesting guy? Right. Yeah. You know, he's not trying to be funny. But people think he's funny. Very interesting the Kate different. Yeah. Because like I'm always shot into the cannon. And most people I feel like when they do these interviews there junkets interviews like when I liked the vitamins, he's kind of got a it's not a draw. But it's a deliberate style of speaking. Yeah. Definitely the opposite of you who talk you talk faster than anybody. I know. No. I think the fast, you don't know why she works in sports. And if you knew her, she's the fastest person. Vera passport is that is very he's unreal housing. Wow. But I do talk guy Greenies up there as well. We can also talk very fast. Yeah. Password. Would you take from Cape? Pulse. Could you have you seen Red Army? Have you seen in search of grains? Not I have not going to chance to watch either those. But I will I will definitely check out in surgery, and it's obviously being a sports guy. Yes. Can you DSP n I feel it might be required viewing for us. But I will definitely check it out. He seems to have his finger on the pulse from what I've seen from trailers and stuff like that. Yeah. Of really kind of. Breaking down especially nowadays. How sports have changed especially for youth? And that that's the one thing to me. It seems like how the the grates that we've talked about Gretzky in Jerry Rice and whatnot their preparation versus how the grades currently prepare and the different dynamic and generational changes of how sports evolved in who you deem is a great player. Yeah. Well, the best parts of the dock Gretzky says like as a kid he goes, I would just skate. I would just be just my now just set up in it. And I just I played like six hours. That's where I just I can't put this stuff on my own didn't have structure in have drills. And the point you make a preparation won't buy gave acid going over game planning goes. Oh, I don't know. I was I've played ping pong until six fifty five. I screwing around Goma guy like that. It's a Gretzky's like the the far example of a guy who clearly was just relying an instinct feels like I know he must Morgan art. We does not make it sound. Like he was looking at. All right. Patrick wa scouting reports. He's go, right. Let's do this. Can we talk about your hockey skills because we were talking here as you're selling yourself? This is great hockey. Are you good? I got I'm not the key is skating, and the I haven't skin is you're probably like happy Gilmour without the slapshot or the physicality is that fair not fair. And I'd be better than any of you. Then it's clearly I would destroy all of us already. I'm good. I've been ice skating. One time in my land. Dance is also not proficient skater. No, I'm actually banned for life from a in Syracuse way what happened. That's going to tell the story charges still pending statue of limitations van for life. Idell poll skill ever come up here that they Bucci garages legitimate, great hockey player. He's also in great shape as well. All right. One other interview here for you as big a sports again a sports theme documentary. Peter accident who had the pleasure meeting at Sundance reached out to me and said if you heard of free solo I I haven't heard of it. I can't wait to see this thing. And definitely want to see on the big screen, which I do not have the opportunity to do because time is tight as I watched it on my ipad. But seriously, if you have a chance to watch in the theater, the stories this, Alex Honolulu is a crazy, man. He's a mountain climber. He actually climbed El capitan in Yosemite, which is three thousand feet and free soloing for those at all done is that means you do without a rope cat was a part of the action Stephen Smith when we read them on Friday. In fact, and John Vilma was also part of the interview seal here Vilma in there as well. But Alex Hanell three solo is the documentary. He climbed a mountain, and he did it without a rope. He didn't have his fingernails and his feet and guts and guile. And here's the interview for your. Enjoyment free cell is they the doc if you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes. And e six they just didn't deliver the satisfaction. You expected jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette it's vapor product that actually satisfies plus Julie's simple to use. And there's no cigarette ash and no lingering odor as a smoker, you expect a certain nicotine experience right jewel delivers give jewelry. Try check out. J U L dot com slash sports. Switch NBC satisfied. Yes. You can do both. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Real pleasure. Walkman. Alex huddled who is an absolute animal. The movie is called free solar documentaries available in theaters everywhere. Now coming from National Geographic, and Alex is an absolute animal for this very reason. He climbed three thousand feet Al copy town in Yosemite national park without a rope. It's called free soloing, hence, the name of the doc is called free solo. And we welcome him. Now, Alex, I watched his documentary through my fingers. I was so terrified for you. How in the world? Did you do this? What in the world is the appeal of free soloing for you. I mean, it's a big question. I mean, free Soling sort of one aspect of climbing, and I've loved all kinds of climbing for the last twenty years, but I think that part of the appeal of resilience that it's just demands more from you it requires you to perform at a at a higher level some extent. So it's kind of a nice it's like a test of climbing. That's one thing to be to be attracted the idea of like you said, it's a real extreme level of climbing. But it's one thing to do it nothing to actually be filled. I have the idea of being filmed by Jimmy Chen and his team come about. Yes. The film. So they actually reach out to me Jimmy Chen and his co director his wife, actually, CHAI best. Really? They had just made the film, Mary, which is a great film nearing and an Tina and everybody respected their work as they approach me about making a film and as a professional climate huge opportunity. I was like that's great. And then it was me that that wanted to make it about. Okay. Mostly because you know, someone's gonna make a feature film by you should be about something significant. And to me, the only thing worth making a foam out was okay. And then the more the more practical side of it is that that as a professional climate. I mean, I have a lot of obligations to for sponsors. We're going to events and things like that. And an okay off with such a big challenge for me that I kind of needed an excuse to clear my schedule for awhile and making a feature film with something that I could take all my sponsors. And be like, oh, you know. I can't do any work for the next six months because I'm working on the movie. Smart, man. Yeah. Yeah. People talk about the motivations for the film. But I mean that kind of was one of the practical sides of those like, wow, this is a great cover to work on this big life project that I've been wanting to do forever. But it's like hard for me to get the time to work on a myself without some kind of good excuse, you know, when you were doing this. What was the most agonizing part or the most agonizing moment of the of the whole filming everything what was the most agonizing for. Well, the hardest part of the filming was definitely, you know, shooting interviews or shooting just like having the camera and all the time feeling like there's always something in your space a little bit. But but I think the when you're talking about the grind. I mean, the real grind with all the training like the physical training like I was going climbing all the time. I was doing extra ups, you know, fingertip pull ups and things core exercises, stretching all the basic body maintenance. But I think that with climbing is maybe a little bit more fun than than you know, other sports is because you're not like in a gym working hard. You're actually out in the mountains. Playing doing the thing that you love to do. But certainly I was very fatigued for very long time. And so, you know during the climb your fatigue. No, no, I'm saying like the six months, the six months, I mean because I was kind of preparing for two years at a time. But for the six months directly ahead of the actual free solo. I was going pretty hard. I was training maybe thirty five or forty hours a week, which is kind of a lot. I mean, there's a lot of hours of physical effort. Yeah. And you know, I was just hired a lot. How about the personal focus of the story as well showing you and your girlfriend you guys still together. Yeah. We're still together. Yeah. The relationship is great. You know, obviously making a film butter relationship as a little strain and the release of the film is, you know, been been experienced both of us, but another relationship with great, and we're living together in Vegas and things. Really good. We continue here with Alex hanalei on Sinophile. The Adnan Virk movie podcast. Alex, your personal relationship is examined in the film, and I loved how honest it was in the fact that you're very clear about the fact that nothing's gonna get in your way, it has that been a detriment to relationships, absolutely. It has because you can't have anything holding you back and there's been other mountain climbers. Who have said that you said, listen, a relationship will hold you back. You should probably be single and you do this. Because to put a fine point on it. You've seen people die how many people throughout the career melt climbing seeing it'd be good friends theirs. But you've seen die twenty thirty people on and how much does that affect you and your personal life? I mean, you had a tough question. I mean seen seen accidents in meet around climate accidents. I mean, it's definitely hard. But I mean, I actually kind of reject the idea that you have to distance yourself from from relationships in order to perform well. And I think that's that's one of the core elements of the film is is Sanni sort of my my girlfriend's Johnny pushing back on that whole idea in like, well, why why not have both why not have a good healthy relationship and still perform at a high level. And and I think that that's something that you sort of see through the course of the film is that the ultimate they I am able to do that. And and I think honestly is better for my life in general. I'm with you because I often hear people aspiring whether it's sportscasters are musicians or actors saying, well, I've gotta just focused on the music of the can't be held back. But I'm with you. I think a relationship helps to inspire one. I think it gives you more. Yeah. Fulfillment. Right. Yeah. I kind of agree. And I mean, just on a practical side and a lot of ways having a healthy stable relationship and makes the rest of your life so much more. I mean, yes, stabil-, I guess, you know, I find that. I eat better. And I sleep. Better in my training is more consistent. You know, basically, my life is healthier. And so I think that having having a good health relationship like helps in a lot of ways with performance a free solo in theaters nationwide. Couple more for you, the most gripping part, I thought it was when this show you going through the steps that you're on the rope. Obviously was you're practicing so to speak, and you got chalk, outlines, etc. And there's that one move. You gotta do and you say, well, if I- karate kick it that'll be effective. But if I miss it all die think about for anybody who there's nothing you can have in life to say, well, this is probably the practical way to do this. But if I miss it, I'm going to die. What can you just explain to me what your thought process has to operate with that? Because in the movie, you don't to the chronic wreck. No. I do the karate do. Are you do if you miss it? You're going to die. No, no knows. Maybe you confused. So there were two ways one of them is a jump or the karate kick. I mean, if you fail with the crazy kick, you you dial. So, but right, but the jump is a little more dramatic because if you jump, you know, basically why you're flying through the air. It's like you're going to die unless you catch with the karate kick, it feels a little bit less extreme. But but yeah, I mean when you as what I was thinking about that. I mean, the key is to do all the thinking while I'm hanging there with a rope, you know, to spend the preparation ahead of time. So that when I'm actually doing the climb. I'm not thinking about anything. I just execute. I just perform, you know, it's like, yeah. Like a gymnast doing their routine or something you just do it. And lastly, the exaltation the emotion like just seeing the smile in your face because if I may say, I don't think you're the most outgoing guy thinking, you kind of let everybody in, but you're focusing the job, and you're not the most you bullying, but that emotion like when you're finally you climbed a mountain, man. Like, he climbed to seventy what was that. Like, oh is it was amazing. I mean, you know, in the film. I was delighted I mean, you can see the big you can see. The big smile on my face on top. And honestly, I had that smile for you know, week or two at least and even now thinking about it. I started a small. I mean, it is it is a climb that. I'm very proud of. And and anytime, I think about it. It still makes me pretty happy. And certainly anytime I see the end of the film. I'm pretty heavy, and here's one of the thought to just the amount of suspense to this movie. Because if somebody says, well, Irena what happens I heard you talk to Alex, obviously. But, but when you called it off like I said, oh, man, like how much doubt was there to say, you know, what it's in the middle of the night. And you see Jimmy Johns reaction as call him up. It's not going to happen. Like, the you didn't. And they kept telling you, listen, you'll have to do any point. You can say, no, right. Yeah. And that's the thing with reselling is that really nobody wants you to do it. You know, I was the only person that wanted to to do this climb. Everybody else thought it seemed crazy in that. I probably shouldn't in this seem too risky or too dangerous. But. You know, I mean and free selling should be a personal choice. I mean because it is my life at risk. You know? I mean, it should I should be very confident with I feel comfortable with my choices. We have my adulation admiration not only for the climate also for lying Lewis cameras in there. Because as you bluntly said, you know, if I die and my friends see this that would be kind of weird. So Alison old free solo is the documentary. Check it out. Thanks so much, man. Every family. Obviously, I lead a charmed life yet. ESPN incredible family wonderful job in great friends. Like, the great Michael deepens Onny was in the house rare to have a guest review he wrote a few times. Yeah. Rob Linley reviewed a soccer movie. Mark Simon his favorite documentaries. Yep. Michael Juna recently, reviewed Mandy. But you're the first guy everybody having back for repeat appearance. So strong by Jake del moral killed his Godley review is great. But you're the only one ever brought back a second time because the thought of you was such odd fire. Yeah. Well, the floor was fantastic. And I absolutely loved it. But Dan, just a heads up. I'm coming in hot on this one. So get that bleep button ready. Like, I don't know. I might let a couple, thanks. So preface like I'm a venom fan. I grew up in Spiderman household I loved venom. I love Spiderman I loved everything about it. But I read the reasons movie I knew what was up, right? So I decided to get some candy to give me through this movie. But Adnan there are not enough milk duds in the world to get me through this movie. Again, like, I have somebody feeding them. Me like a Roman emperor. And I wouldn't go back the movie itself. Like, it's not funny. It's stilted. It's just chopped together. It's Eddie Brock is a journalist and give us whatever story there is to this thing. Okay. So Eddie Brock is a journalist. But he's like a bad boy, kind of journalist, I guess, and it's like an eighth graders view of journalism, right? Because the main thrust of the movie the reason he'd like the whole action starts is. He goes. And he interviews this guy would seem re-submit goodn- it. He's he's the has this like casual kind of sociopathic. That's amazing. And it's like a Silicon Valley, bro. The night off. But like the whole the whole reason it gets in trouble. Is he starts doing this? Gotcha interview with them as if it's like being broadcast live on the six o'clock news news, Tom Brokaw. But he's not like, it's just whatever. Okay. So it's just it's very bad. And Tom hardy is bad in this movie. I don't know how he's bad in a movie, but he is zero things happen. He has no plan much like the screen writers who wrote this movie, and I I would not sit through it again. And I love superhero movies. I love everything about them. And I would say from this one how many police you're giving this movie? So I I do movies. I've twenty eight scale baseball. This is this is this is. This is Bill Lawson wears applaud twenty eight scale this is he's the only one in our audience. This is straight twenty. I would never go see it. Again. The best part of this movie is the captain marvel trailer at the beginning. Last point here. Tom hardy is bad. What he's like, he's not funny. Oh, and I forgot to mention this venom. So I don't know if you know anything about comic, there's a whole my brother would know. But he probably would like. The Symbian has its own distinct personality detaches onto Eddie Brock, and they had this awful, laurel and hardy routine. It's like who's on first, except if it wasn't funny and about murder, and it's it's just really bad. And yeah, it was two hours. There's a slog is just poorly planned poorly put together, and it really just needs Spiderman. That's it. It's just the venom isn't a main driver. I guess good a supporting character. Yeah. In the comics. He's great. I mean avenue customer should stay in it. Yeah. I don't know. You're telling me the twenty two eighty scale from Mike Panzani. Thanks. Thank you. He's just an average man within average life came his appeal dictate that I'll read it. My alley before most flaming training. Dan, stands Ekeid's. I thought it was a little little much every mad. We really got update that open. I saw Randy the other day. All you wanna talk to you as Chappaquiddick, which I haven't seen. And then I said I wanted to get to the businessman, which is can you update some of these opens? But just when you see him next go. Hey, how about Chappaquiddick competition about that? And think they can get rid of my remain open. It's nauseating. Good plan. All right. He also big free solo guy. He loves that stuff. Big surprise memories. Strange thing. It doesn't work like I thought it did we are so bound by time by its order. But now, I'm not so sure I believe in beginnings and endings. Any other guest though, it's not the Mentone help arrival. Oh. Two thousand sixteen SCI fi film starring Amy Adams, Jeremy Renner and forest Whitaker, directed by French Canadian Denis Villeneuve Geneva of DO, Denise, okay? This guy. Didn't he Ville new? Is it Denise Avars? It. Denis Savard didn't even trying to get a rank. I got to say it again. And he didn't even knew didn't he Ville? Now. It's worse. Every time I need to say, I'm gonna point to you. And you're going to say, and he Villneuve who also did Sicario and most recently blade runner twenty forty nine. The film is set in present day centers around twelve alien spaceships that have landed in different places around the globe, Denise Villneuve and cinematographer Bradley young described the look they were going for as quote, dirty scifi to indicate that something like this could happen on any given day Adams plays a linguist who teaches communication at an unnamed college whose recruited by US Colonel played by Whittaker to figure out two things what they want and where they're from Adams is taken to an army compound set up next t the Alleyen vessel that landed in the United States more specifically. In Montana there. She works with a theoretical physicist. Played by Renner in communicating with the alliens who look nothing like any other aliens you've seen in movies and TV shows these aliens, look more like a couple of octopuses, but because they only have seven arms they're referred to as hep dapa. Trying to make sense of the hit the pods proves to be a growing process. Speaking words in decoding sound gets nowhere, but Adams and Renner make great strides with writing words on a whiteboard in deciphering pictograms spewed back at them. The seemingly nonstop work starts to take a physical and emotional toll on Adams. She needs boosters from the army doctors, and she starts seeing a string of Boll joyful and painful memories in the compound, there are video screens from the other eleven sites as the world appears to be working together to figure out what the alliens want. And if I remember correctly, one of your Canadian friends is in one of those scenes deep all AWali who also is in Mali's game with Aaron Sorkin. He's a terrific broadcaster. He was also in a rival. Okay. So the world's working together until they had the pods convey what most interpret as a threatening message. There is no unified response from the twelve sites aside from the fact that they all go off line and sees working together. Trying to want to use military force issue this ultimate him other nations prepared to follow suit. So it's a race against time for Adams to prove that something was simply lost in translation. As much as the film is about science fiction in alliens. It's really more about communication collaboration language and a new interpretation of time which elicits a quote from Albert Einstein distinction between the past present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. It's a movie that makes you think there are and drums terms like non zero sum game, which I'd never heard of and. This. And questions that are hard to answer. There is also classical music that's heavy on the violin. Andy classically pretty Amy Adams who was robbed of an Oscar nomination. I give the film four stars. And encourage everyone to see just loves Amy Adams, Amy Adams, and Anna Kendrick. Those are the wheelhouse of Dan stands what is non zero sum game? What does that mean? It's like where everybody can win zero-sum game is there's one winner and everybody else's a loser. A non zero sum game. The example that use on some site. I don't know if it's compete or not. But I was looking at the other day. It's like say it's like a husband and a wife the husband wants to go to a football game. The wife wants to go to the opera. The husband would rather go to the opera with his wife then go to the football game by himself. I don't know if I believe that. And the wife would rather go to the football game with the husband, then go to the opera by herself. So it's a Nazi both get something collaborate. I like Powell Jones I love that's where the word smelt the same way forward. What's your favorite? What is the flyers hockey eerie ladder was the defense? L A T A L N, Joel Otto, great hockey player. OTT? Oh, do you have like an actual word? Now. I just like those race car race cars at terrific found Rome on that note. Denise Ville arrival. Through much of this podcast. I've seen Danny was on his phone for a little bit. And then I saw a passport was immediately feverishly looking up the review. So what exactly did the guy say about you? Did you look at? Have I tunes, but I. Mike. I'm like, okay. I want to read more about this. I promise I will take criticism. Very well. And I take really really appointed. Harsh mean criticism. I liked that as well. Because I think it's humorous that someone's feels that strongly about what I do. I'll find it for. But go ahead give me a review anyway, no in defense of this week because I've kind of been very heavily sedated by red dead redemption to the new game out on the XBox. That's unsurprised. And I almost did it in defense of how cinematic video games are becoming but I decided against it because I just didn't feel like writing it because I spent so much time playing. However, I did get to go see bohemian rhapsody. Oh, in I max last week, which now up here, you can't see in an I max the Grinch is kind of taken over the IMAX theater, which is a shame far as I'm concerned. But. Let me start with the high points of the film because they're existent. But they're few and far between Rami Malik is brilliant. I believe you said you have them as like number one on gold derby to win the Oscar right now, I got a number three. I got Bradley Cooper at one. I've got mommy. Mom, getting a nomination. He'll get a nomination for. Sure. But there are times in the film when I'm thinking now, that's ready. Mercury. That's not an actor. That's tremendous the accurate plays. Brian May Gwilym Lee looks exactly like Brian May the actor that plays Roger Taylor. Ben hardy looks exactly like Roger Taylor circa the seventies and early eighties the soundtrack, obviously, it's Queen. It's fantastic. It's well used the sound design is amazing the Live Aid performance at the end of the film, though, surprised what it is. I can't really spoil it. It's thirty or forty years old almost. The they built the entire set. From scratch at Wembley. The stage is the actual stage. The crowd is CG in that's pretty blatant. Once you see the overhead shot, but the stage itself is the exact stage replica from Wembley Live Aid back in there in the eighties. That whole sequence is tremendous. I'm sitting in the theater about wanting to sing out loud. Like, I'm actually in the concert. It's such a good sound design and such a good sound mix. And it's almost replicated exactly from that Live Aid source, but I believe it's re recorded, and it's just it's a fun movie to watch. I'll give it that. It's it's a little long at almost two and a half hours. I want to say it's like to fifteen but that's about where the good ends. And it kind of plays a little bit with history. Create some revisionist history in the script, and you can see why Sasha baron. Cohen was not, Freddie. Mercury and Rami Malik was picked up to play the role. Because Brian May and Roger Taylor also executive producers on the film and definitely did not want to tell the true story because maybe to them the true story wasn't as fantastic and wasn't as dramatic as someone make it seem. But at the same time, there were a lot of just blatant inaccuracies within the film such as how Queen met and how Freddie Mercury got his start with the band. His aides reveal definitely didn't play out in real life. The way it played on the movie, in fact, it's actually chronologically inaccurate. It didn't happen when it happened and a lot of the drama. They built up was just false and made for drama. So when it comes to just making making something up just to have the storyline. I think it falters there. I but at the same time, I still think it's a fun movie to watch. I think Romney Malik performance is worthy of a star boost on its own. I give it to and a half at the end of the day. I think if you if you don't have as charismatic a lead as you do in Rami Malik, and even in even the other Queen performers, and Brian Willem Lee and Ben hardy, they're fun portrayals of those characters those people, I think it really falters. Even though you have such a fantastical band to begin with was such a storied history as Queen who created these great hits and one of the best parts in the movie as well. And we've seen it in the trailers, and it's not a spoiler because it's it's one of the big poster poster moments of the film is Mike Myers cameo as the fictional EMI. Record executive Alec Baldwin is this show the oddball then show now, which is great in the interview, Mike Marsh talk. But that he said they had to get him. Because of course, well, he me wraps. You is so critical in Wayne's world. And that's a song that Mike can play in Scarborough Ontario as going to believe games. So they said it was very tongue in cheek. They put him in there. But I was the the way a played out was fantastic. Because even the friends I was with I recognize you're right away. I've seen enough. Myers movies him in heavy makeup. The knows like, okay. That's Mike Myers. He's doing his British accent. You know? Okay. This is this is the part where they're trying to sell bohemian rhapsody to him. And it took them a minute to realize because he does a very good job like even in heavy makeup. Sometimes Mike Myers can just kind of disappear into the Easter of his disguise, but the the dialogue shared between him and Freddie Mercury and the rest of the band them trying to sell them on a night at the Oscars. Like, no, I want rock and roll. I don't want this. What is blaming wrath? What's a rap city? Ladies, actually, as an infringement is is like, it's an epic poem, and with all the bravado that you would think of Freddie, Murphy, which Freddie Mercury which actually wasn't, you know, again, another factual inaccuracy that he's not day. He wasn't as flamboyant and bravado of driven as he was on stage. He was much more shy and reclusive in real life. He definitely had a lot of insecurities. But he gets on there. And they're selling it, six minutes. It's too long. They'll never play it on the radio and all this goes on. And you know, we've seen it in the trailer. The joke about his wife thinking six minutes too long feels sorry for an all that stuff. But the one real catch joke of the of the whole exchange, again, you'll want something to kids can just crank the music up and bang their heads to and it's not gonna be book him hymning rep city, and of course, Mike Myers famously in Wayne's world cranked up the music and banged his head to bohemian rhapsody back in nineteen Ninety-one that feels a Queen fans way. Like it a lot. And we'll end with this on the next foul have reviews big Oscar movies here the favorites during MFL, Rachel vise. Barry Jenkins if Bill streak at talk Steve Carell, Timoteo shallow may beautiful boy and a Canadian movie called tiger. All that more coming up in the next podcast here. I do have the review this from hot lunch, man. Once again, go on I tunes and give us your view Iraq movies in a formula beliefs rank us in a five stars. And give us a review. Here's hot. Lunch ban. Love Adnan's interview style. 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KAT Rumors & Top 5 Ringless Teams Of Decade

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KAT Rumors & Top 5 Ringless Teams Of Decade

"Hey folks you've been tuning in over the last couple of months you've heard all about the game time APP and how it can save you some serious cash on last minute tickets. It gets to sports concerts and all types of shows and guys what a great few months. It's been the random artists that we've found come into Atlanta those sweet panoramic views is an of course of course the to tap checkout system. You GotTa say two times causes to taps. I love that to tap checkout system. Is Them so cute. Today is the last day that Gametime is hooking you up for the holidays with ten dollars credit. Here's what do download the gametime happened. The Google play player or APP store. Click on the my tickets section of the APP creating account then under the billing section Redeem Code. No dunks once again. That's no dunks all all one word for ten dollars off your first purchase. That is literally free money. 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You know we're still on facebook at FACEBOOK DOT com slash. No dunks Inc.. Guess it's official. We're now on facebook and email us your MBA questions and comments to know dunks at the athletic dot com. We're actually going to record a new beach step in podcast later today which will drop on January first twenty twenty. We'll have that up on Wednesday Wednesday but get your questions in throughout the week. We're back baby full-time here now. So keep them coming both through email and hitting us up on twitter all right we got some. Is this news whose fund to play here today. I think we've got some top FI getting to the end of our pick them results in our pick and play but last night just quickly. We can go over over this fairly quick. I think some weird results Monday night in the NBA first off. You had the depleted wizards depleted wizards beating the heat. One twenty three one. Oh five you Jordan McRae going for twenty nine points to create one. whoa boy last night wild and in a guy named Garrison Matthew Garrison Matthews an undrafted guard from lipscomb university? I see tendency okay. That's what you need when you have a moustache lipscomb. He's scored twenty eight points. Garrison did just as eleventh NBA game but this was funny. Any especially because a lot of the power rankings had the heat you know top two top three across a lot of them both the Atlantic and Mba dot com Schuman's and stuff like that and here come the wizards and and pull up this win. This was one of the weird results from last night. Yeah we had people getting angry at us because we didn't include the Miami Heat as a winner weekend so sorry so sorry. Well that's why we didn't pick them garrison matthews and Jordan McRae shot him. Down was wild to see garrison matthews. I figured was his first. NBA Game for sure Because I never heard him because I think I'm so smart I think I know every. NBA Player. This guy comes out to lipscomb and This is eleven game of the season as you mentioned he had no. I know it doesn't feel like it right. Definitely career high six points coming into this game. He's shot what's really weird. A guard birdshot twelve thirteen from the free throw line. He should he had twelve free throws to make up his twenty eight points. That's weird twelve free throws and four threes. Some deep three some under we gotta go over to the House and ask him about this guy knocking down. All these free throws making threes. This is the perfect league player. I googled this guy's name for a joke. Okay still botched his name. There's only one in his last name of all the weird things from this game. Though I would say I was most shocked that Yon Maheen me went for a career of your hi. twenty-five the guy had never scored more than nineteen points in the game. And just would assume you know like playing with John Wall for years and years you got ten drop offs in the paint that we're a dunk or something like that right but a young mckimmie hit a three pointer last night. John Shuman called wizards basketball. The highest level pickup basketball. You could play and it really feels like that. It was fun and quite strange to watch. Yes I'm glad you pointed that out tasks I saw. I listened to the podcast that you guys did yesterday. Doing sort of winners and losers from the holiday break for the most part on the weekend but the holiday break and not showing love to the heat and I saw you. You angered that man named awful takes on twitter. Who went in on you guys? How you didn't show any love to the Miami Heat? But then they turn around and lost of the wizards at unfortunate their other results. The Hawks beat the Magic to to end their ten game. Losing streak and no trae young in this. You had a guy named Brandon Goodwin who had a career high twenty one Alex Len Eighteen and twelve And you know again the hawks snapping the losing streak without trae young and they were down big. Came Back Orlando had Orlando's a bad team but they had been good against bad teams. Seems even worse teams. There were eleven three heading into this game against sub five hundred teams before this loss. The hawks off the off the skin there. They've got seven wins now on the season and two of them have been against the Orlando Magic. And Yeah you had a guy in Brandon Goodwin sort of filling in a little bit for trae young coming off the bench playing a lot of point guard type minutes along with Kevin Herder who started sort of as the facto point guard trae young was loving it from his couch tweeting about Kevin hurt her in the fourth quarter Brian Goodwin Twenty one off the bench. Eighteen off the bench into Alex. Len Yeah you know. Those are big numbers. We saw eighty points in the Washington Wizards game off the bench from there mentioned which is a franchise record. I assume that's a franchise record for a a lot of teams these NBA players. Play doesn't matter where you're coming from if you're coming off the bench not and then finally had the shorthand timber wolves rallying past the Brooklyn Nets. That's one twenty to one fifteen in overtime. They were down the wolves were they. Were down nine. Eight hundred eight hundred eighty. Excuse me and they came back. They went on a nine zero run with this lineup lineup. Shabazz Napier Cologne Martyn. I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly Culver Covington and gorge Jiang who also hit a corner three. Oh yeah a a bomb this on clutch corner three so that was tied. They went on to nine run. They tied things up and then they pulled it out in overtime. Had A really weird ending in this this this game was crazy if you saw the islets this one between the wolves of the nets and the wolves were without by the way. Karl Anthony Towns or Andrew Wiggins the nets without Kyrie Irving of course. But did you see Jordan Bell. There was like point two seconds left the nets have a chance. I mean it has to be a tip. crazier things have happened. Jordan bell jumps up to defend it. He's on the walls and he puts his hand through the rim. And then there's a lot of bodies around the rim and the clock goes off kate we're going to overtime and they looked at it. I believe but I guess either. They didn't feel like it needs to be overturned. Because it's not a shot because it's a pass from the inbound is a dead. Ah I don't even know what the true ruling is. I guess they maybe got it right. I don't know it's weird. You think there is nothing to look at because I mean the ball was tipped i. There's no shot there's no goaltending because it's not a shot right and then I thought well what if it's a tipped on the floor towards the Rim and then joined bell which which is what happened during bill sort of reached up grabbed the rim. Is that goaltending on a shot at ten because it became a shot at ten question. Yeah and that's what they're looking at but really Paul wasn't there because he was the guy who got busted by Chris Paul for having his Jersey on Shirley Chris Paul had the rules down years the reference somehow got a free throw. I think I think it was right because at the time expired tip. Ah Yeah who knows. And if it's a tip it's okay bye. Yeah look that's still lose this without with other superstars and was a crazy lineup. And they get so. Yeah Insane Insane results on the on the Monday night in the NBA. It's Ke Lan Martin. Kilo Keelan keillor. I WANNA say key Lime Pie when I see that news keeling. Thank you Speaking of put Pranzi ations it slips come not lipscomb not lips Khalip scum different thing According to Basketball Reference Keelan Martin's nickname is baby shack. What that's what I said that because when I was doing whoa boy in looking at Jordan McRae and a over to his basketball reference page? His nickname is orange. Mamba Planetary cool. Where are these coming from? I mean we've we've been tracking the basketball reference nicknames for a long time but Orange Mamba doesn't necessarily add up to me Jordan. McRae and Keelan Martin is listed as six five have to thirty-five. How's that shack? Yeah at all I don't know and I also I know her like going back and forth but McRae number fifty two. I don't like at that point. Guard shooting guard. It just makes you seem like a big guy to me. Fifty two is a weird number. Wasn't there any for Gourd Lord Skinny Guard at that. I know he's like six five. I guess he's Taller Guard. A very skinny. Yeah but fifty two immediately makes me think of a big. I do look me baby. His nickname should be. Let's flip them. Martin baby all right. Do I have a background. Acharya Rusty Mac all right so weird results. Hey Big big win for the sons though Devon Booker Kelly oubre junior who is still very very hot in my books thank you very much held. The Sun's rally from nineteen owned. They were down to come back to beat the Blazers in Portland. One twenty two To One sixteen huge win because these teams are in a very very very very early playoff race sons in the blazers but sons. Right right there I think. What are they here as of Tuesday game? Back from the Spurs suddenly in the Spurs in the thirteen fourteen. Gene Phoenix is thirteen and twenty terrible record. But they're still in the mix and I mean and under five hundred team getting into the playoffs in the western conference so I mean you would think even the warriors are out of. We talked about it for a second yesterday but they have nine wins. That's four wins fewer than the spurs right. Now they're able to hang around. They're playing a little bit of defense and I suppose they could get in the mix and then we have what eight teams vying for one spot in the western conference out clearly. That won't happen once. Everything actually shakes out and teams start. Losing awesome and stuff but Phoenix. Look good last night. I love to see Kelly oubre hitting those threes blowing a kiss that tasks malice after sane. This last night bulk commodity wasn't in a distance also complimented the same breath. That's a good point. That's a good point and honestly if you look at those two guys it's like Michael Junior and Kelly oubre Michael Porter Jr. is way more of a task looking guy. Junior has way more of a tray looking pretty cool. I just wanted to get Michael Junior in the show. Oh and I didn't know how to talk about his basketball abilities so I just talked about. How good looking and how we came onto the scene with the big sort of rock doc? I'd call them the rock sunglasses or like that was his look right like the big windows like the huge huge junkers. I'm not into it but you know I always give everybody second chance. I were sunglasses like that. Once upon a time there ugly gross but he deserves a second chance. I think we all were really ugly. Either glasses or sunglasses at some point in our lives and age we are. There are some Ruutel photos of me out there specifically quickly Read it like not reading glasses. Glasses glasses I wear. They're like who what. Why did somebody allow walk into the store wearing these? Oh there wasn't cool cool glassy. You're right you're right. When did they start making cool glass? I would say I'm decade ago. I think we were a decade to sued when it came to I wear. I've got I still have my really ugly one That was a bad bad loss for the blazers too because they are trying to make the playoffs. Cj called it terrible loss you know because they were big Lillard was rolling in the first quarter and then they give this one away but nice comeback there and I love the those are very Leila's korver kisses to the Portland crowd after he hit that three to put them up six with about forty five ago. Yeah it was a love. Hate Relationship Kelly. They said that he has with the the Portland crowd. They're all over him. His career high seventh. Three pointer believed that was he. Hit seven in the game and They just it. It was a cool performance on the road. They had lost seven straight to Portland overall and they did. They stole this game at the end. And I liked the Andrea and tip in there with about three minutes left. He came off the bench for the Phoenix. Suns had missed a couple came back from the suspension played. Missed a couple of games and he didn't have an incredible game but they just they just stole the game they were. They went into Portland and they stole it and usually Portland's good against the sub five hundred teams but you went through the teams the by the Western Conference playoff picture. trae I everybody's in it everybody's in it. Even the Atlanta Hawks have the worst record in the east. I think everybody still still in play. I think the hawks could make the playoffs. I don't care just a simple seven game winning streak in there right either. Yeah well we don't need to look at the bottom of the standings for this next team very quickly here. The the box got their thirtieth win on Monday night. Though Janas he's not he's not happy with it Janas following Monday's one twenty three one zero two victory over the Bulls said quote. It's definitely surprising that we won thirty games before January. And it's cool but we can always get better I do like seeing this hearing this from your honest Middleton SORTA had similar comments after the game echoing this idea of like who really cares about our thirtieth win. This team is they know that it always gonNA come down to the play offs and going very very deep and yeah they win sixty sixty five and maybe even flirting with seventy who knows their pace. I guess doesn't matter it doesn't matter at all the question will be. When do we get to the do? They have a a playoff gear. Question a question about a question because I mean they won a ton of games last year. They're going to win a ton of games this year and until we see them blow blow teams out in the playoffs and go to the finals. It's going to be. Can they turn it up a notch. Because we've seen with the Bulls years ago. We saw at the hawks. You can be a great regular season team you can stack up wins but you gotta be able to take it somewhere else in the next in the next stage of the game. And that'll be guys like Eric. bledsoe Dante di Vincenzo has been pretty good. I think he wasn't really. We're doing much of anything lasts only at two points. But he's still a solid player. A little dhillon say West Ish In his game. So we gotta see we got to see them really show up in the the playoffs because going now they're going to have the number one seed for the entire playoffs so use it. I'd say a stat. That kind of lends itself to that. That sort of conversation is that they're thirty and five there. Eighteen against sub five hundred teams but twelve and five against teams. Five hundred or better. And I start you start to think does that mean anything does twelve and five against teams. That are good teams in the NBA. Does that mean anything. Does that mean. They're not taking care of business against the teams A. Hey that's a great record still could. That's a great great against good teams twelve and five just literally never losing to the crap. Yeah it means they're awesome. Yeah they've lost to the heat. The Celtics the jazz. The sixers on Christmas Day in the Mas- without Luca. Okay that time so so solid teams the other good i. It was nice for them. Of course to get Eric Bledsoe back in the lineup. Because the fifteen points and sixteen minutes he missed the past eight games. Remember summer with that sort of fracture of the fibula of ocean But you see the difference. He does make to the squad defensively. That's a no-brainer. He's always been a really really good good defensive point guard and then he gives them a little bit more pace he he just. He's I think they were calling him. The Ferrari of the team Eric. I don't really think of a Ferrari when I think of BLEDSOE. But he is one of the quaker guys pushing the ball up the floor for them. And that's just gives them another little wrinkle to sort of get those trailing threes and stuff like that and get into the room so it was nice to see him come in and have a pretty good first I game. Yeah we talked about Monday show when who is that. Twitter user got mad at us. Hot Awful Awful takes that we're talking about the Philadelphia Latakia Seventy sixers and how. They had a good Christmas Day. Game against the Milwaukee Bucks and they took care of business trae brought up that people bowl or the play type of player that really can beat up on the sixers that can really show their weaknesses. A shift guard as you. Put it in Eric. BLEDSOE could or may not be that guy. That's the question is he gonNa GonNa do it in the playoffs right. Because from that guard spot you might be rotating in Bledsoe George Hill David Chen and are they going to produce When inevitably they take the ball at against his hand? If it is the sixers if it is embiid big body getting the ball out of his hands somebody on the perimeters got to be very good and CanNot wait to see it all right. Let's get to a little. Is this news our first one is a doozy from bleacher report. It reads Karl Anthony towns trade rumors. Warriors Monitoring T. Wolves Stars situation. Is this news will will. This is news because it means a lot of GM's are listening to the no dunks. PODCAST hearing we talk about how upset Karl Anthony. Towns must be because this is more more along the lines of everybody else trying to drive the walls and Karl Anthony towns apart Ethan. Strauss's report on the athletic is that other teams gems. Karl Anthony towns is unhappy. So of course the warriors are monitoring. But it's literally just the Leila's take care of the team struggling. They should be better. Towns has been there for a while he must be unhappy guy though is in the first year of a five-year deal so unless the timberwolves are as dumb as they have been in the past and once they bring back David Conn.. I think they've got a little bit of time to wait on this. Yeah there's no way they're trading and the guy who's in charge now is GonNa Sandro. Saas who's been around the League but this is his first year as timber wolves president and yet he was with the the the rockets and now he is well renowned guy in the front office. That is not going to give up an incredible player. He can't. I'm sure as soon as he took this job. He thought about trading Andrew Wiggins and that wiggins island stay for everybody lasted a good three weeks. bye-bye by it's no more but wiggins has this year plus three more and I'm sure that's the guy that they're trying to track but I think you know the the all the insults all the vitriol is going to be thrown at Karl Anthony towns because of this one report that he's unhappy when everybody's GonNa say you're twenty four you your your team lost eleven in a row. Most of them with you on the floor. You Win some games you and some basketball games. So that's what's going to happen but to me. It feels like the early stages of Anthony Davis in New Orleans. Where like the Boston Celtics were watching? Were monitoring the situation for years and then a couple of years later he did get traded. And so it's too early. It's a couple years down the road. Oh yeah this is why this is really not news. It's like it is aggregation at its worst it or we're at its best. I guess if you want to flip it around because Ethan Sherwood Stroz on the athletic. Yeah he's talking about the idea that okay. GM stink towns unhappy. Well I would be unhappy to my team team stunk and we should be much better but then Stroz at the end of that. He had added that Minnesota's desire to acquire de Ngelo Russell from the warriors. Remember that's been a room for a long time since Townsend Wrestler friends that the warriors have a differing vision to quote Strauss's article there of a potential trade. So that makes you suddenly think they're monitoring him. They have a different opinion of Russell going there. That means towns maybe is coming back because this article too from. Es this is about these these young guys on the warriors suddenly getting some wins here that maybe their their asset base is like a little competitive now and other teams could be looking at being interested in some of these players. Some sort of package deal a pick and then Paschal and another name. I'm going to butcher Allen Smile AG- each each something like that. You guys know who I'm talking about. He was dominant in the G. League. Anyway you put all these little things together here maybe with Russell and then suddenly the warriors are getting another star too then impair with curry and Klay but come on. The town is not going to be that guy. He's just not because you said it they haven't signed till twenty twenty three twenty four maybe three years from now if the walls are still in thirteenth spot in the West then yeah maybe we will be coming back to this and circling back to this not. Now he's the guy to monitor because every player who is on a contract could be upset as a guy to monitor. It's just like everybody here. They know the contracts Bob Myers knows probably every single contract and the league. Who wouldn't WanNa have Karl Anthony towns? He looked pretty happy last night. When Gordon Chang hit that three and he was just screaming at the top of his lungs with this turtleneck on cool glasses not ugly glasses a lay flat necklaces? Well that list Turtleneck to yeah and then a big necklace underneath. I have questions about that. We should be monitoring that situation. The guy that I guess was being monitored who is also linked to Carlton towns until until the Sun's sort of improved was devon booker as well the very very similar situations. I think that would be more of a situation to get into the speculation that would intrigue the wolves a little bit more some of their parts whether it be Andrea eight and potentially coming back or Kelly break coming back for the the walls rather than the warriors who have yes smile each that no one is hurt of. Let's let's I smile. Gauge User G. League dominant G. League Dominic Super Young to the supreme and. Yeah he played. Yeah he was. He was the youngest player in the G. League and then he was drafted from the G.. League one of this only three players to ever be drafted in the NBA draft from the G. League and Eric Pascoe. But they don't have enough money to come back you think about the dollar figures you'd have after trade draymond green probably because there's no other number unless it's a three way deal. This is amazing. How this happens though because you know lease we're talking about it? For month's unhappy towns is so I'm giving the scoop to actually leave. You know Stroz then puts the article out and people go nuts but there are suddenly on bleacher report like three trade packages packages from other teams. Four town it's like the hawks with like Collins as the main peace and then a bunch of picks and I think the nets are in play like Jared Allen and dinwiddie witty and levert and a pick and then. You've got the Celtics sending tatum in Hayward you know like Oh. My goodness doesn't take long moves very very quickly. This is the era player Blair empowerment and guys can dictate where they WANNA go. But he's only been in the league four and a half seasons. I think it's too early. Yes yes no. Davis got traded after six and a half seasons seasons in New Orleans Cameron. It obviously lasted forever in Minnesota. Yeah Leonard and mellow they dictate where they wanna go but not four and a half years. It's always longer longer right. Go Go and get him a second star a second good really solid. Find your own Allen Smile. Yeah that's right and see what it can happen. And that's why I bring him because he's renowned around the league he can do it. I believe next headline from ESPN sources. I it's clippers. Patrick Beverley to Miss Multiple Games. Is this news now the news. I mean he's GonNa Miss Games and that's tough for the clippers but they've got so many good players that maybe it'll be alright for them to figure out a whole new closing lineup that can be centered around Lou Williams there to to wing guys maybe throw in Mohawk less if you want them out there at the end maybe you need landry. Shamet guy who's been hurt to start. The season came back recently. And then whoever your big as is most likely mantras Herald. Perhaps the clippers. Aren't it's fired up every single game. Not Having Patrick Beverley out there. But I also think the clippers in general are just taking it slow that they're not focused at all in finishing in the first spot so just a little bit of rest and recuperation for Patrick Beverley fits into their modus operandi. Just chill out. Leonard's IT's games everybody considered games. They're fine being in the three seed. They have an embarrassment of riches. And this is not a problem whatsoever. Ever I think well at some point don't need all these guys to put some time in on the floor together. Yeah right because they haven't had a lot of games with all these injuries. Paul George Beginning Season Games obviously with management. Shamet beverly now. It goes on and on and on but when they do they win. Yes and they beat the Lakers. I think the beat beat them twice and I think everybody is happy in that locker room. They know that they they feel like they can. beat the Lakers. And they should because they've dominated and twice. I think story that's sort of going under the radars at the Lakers don't have an embarrassment of riches and I'm sure br uplink is looking for another ball handler and other player and it's kind of weird to say that a team that's in the number one seat doesn't even have enough but to me. You look at those. Two teams clippers have more clippers. Feel confident and the Lakers are the are the team looking for a guy. I remember some terrence Mann. Buzz US during the preseason lot of terrence Mann Talk. Excuse me yeah exactly But supposedly he was supposed to be a guy they were fired up about. But that's sort of something you hear during training camps. It's like this rookie. Nobody's heard of WHO's going to be a third stringer. He's actually really good. Let's see it. Maybe he is like it's the minutes now in beverly injured himself on Saturday by the way took a spill on his right arm. While well driving against Rudy Gobert. He went right back to the locker. Room he underwent x-rays showed no break in the arms wrist returned and he started the fourth quarter but then he was out there and he was saying like he couldn't grasp the basketball so they took him out with Moscow and he didn't return to that game. I when you see the injury it looks like it's an elbow injury like get loosely lands on his own he sort of looks like he grabs for it but it was the wrist. But yes. I'm with you guys. Clippers are going to be fine. I just you know at some point. They're going to get this whole squad going here really figure rotation you're right they'll probably find once they do and they don't seem to care at all about really I'm sure they'd like homecourt in the first round the very least but I feel like they're pretty confident bunch that go into the road. The road might even be playing at the staple center versus. Who really cares but they gotta sauce schedule over the next week Kings Pistons Grizzlies and Knicks? So if Beverly Miss. This is multiple games. What what's multiple being? I don't know three or four five something like that should be still fairly easy with With obviously a talented Rosser final. One here I know you guys Uh slipped this in a little bit on Monday's show but the Sacramento Bee's headline disgruntled King Center Duane. deadman speaks out. I would like to be traded traded. Is this news. Yeah this was when we talked about it was a report from the Athletic Shamsher Anya now. It's Dwayne deadens. Report Fishy Z.. Come out and said it. And he's officially going to be fine. You think so yeah. You can't do that anymore in today's NBA. Yeah it says you publicly requesting a trade which sounds like I guess whether by the player or a representative it's a violation under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. That's when Kris Haines said. Yeah the sports. He's he definitely thinks that the league is going to slap probably a fifty thousand dollar fine on deadman here and I guess deadman has the cash signing that big contract off season is biggest deal I think his NBA career president futures is this season as he's made in his entire career so I mean I don't really understand what he's complaining about. He's not playing for the king's congratulations on not playing for the king's maybe he wants to be traded to play for another team but he just signed a three or forty million dollar deal after playing for the Hawks for a couple of seasons. It's easy to on the hawks. We just saw Alex. Len Have Twenty one point night right right like there are people who are just gonNA pile up numbers. You're encouraged to shoot threes. When you're playing for the Hawks and nobody cares? Dwayne deadman is the guy taken so honestly honestly. What is this guy complaining? Well he's not. He's literally not playing now because he's racking up the D. N. P. dollars you definitely is but I guess yes. He thinks he's better than that. He's averaging five and four shooting forty two percent. You can't into three. That's a big part but this quote from him. I like had to do the emojis on because I couldn't believe even this is dead man. He said I'm not the only person struggling with my shot. So if that's a factor that it's kind of crazy if you're not allowed to shoot through your slumps. I don't know how you're supposed to make shot so it's not the second part like you've heard that before that cliche of like. How am I gonNA shoot shooting slump? If you don't let me keep shooting but literally was saying. Hey the wrestler team sucks too. There's some parts but he's been pretty bad at times. Well they kept shooting they get getting minutes. What about me? What about deadman Twain? Yeah which is very weird in. The guy didn't make a three pointer in his career until he got to the hawks. They made a bunch of them because the team wasn't interested in being very good. So if you WANNA play a lot go to worst team and make less money. I don't know what the solution is. Here he was unhappy when he was sitting on the bench Atlanta when he got to shoot all he wanted. He's unhappy now that he's making a ton of money and he doesn't get the play joined Edmund. Maybe he's just a mad guy. Yup and he scared Lee Ellis when we saw up close and personal seats on that too. That hawks pension during deadman was very angry. And maybe maybe he's maybe some trouble in a few. The locker rooms that not to speculate but there is a reason. I guess the Hawks go because we talked to. Yesterday he would be perfect on the Atlanta Hawks in terms of his skill set because they need somebody to play defense and they need a starting center essentially to to be a bit rough and tumble But deadman I guess he doesn't in have a guarantee in the third year that deal. You know that three or forty million dollar deal you said Trae so it's thirteen million bucks. Maybe thinks he's gotta get on the floor to guarantee those dollar dollar gas. Yeah it's possible but the other part of this whole thing is Sean. Holmes has played great for the king so he's taken a lot of his minutes kings are like of course when Begley is there you. You've got to give him minutes and see what you have with him and try and develop. I mean well that was the the whole issue with them signing all. This guy's Dwayne deadman same with Trevor Reza. Same same of course Joseph to to some extent. You know Trevor Rees is taken away. Bogged down. Bogdonovich is minutes and injuries helped Bogdanovich into the rotation right. You're just taking away minutes from guys who could be good Harrison Barnes the same situation. That's the that's the issue it's and you can get some unhappy players all right. We got some top five. Got Picking results still but I work from our sponsors time to be alive. Thanks to science. Polio eradicated smallpox. Get outta here erectile dysfunction still thing but tradeable only one problem. It's not easy to talk about but with Roman it is easy to talk about it with the real doctor can mm prescribe real medication. It simple safe and totally discreet. With Roman you can get a free online evaluation and ongoing care for E. D. All from the comfort and privacy of your home. The doctor will work with you to find the best treatment plan. If medication is appropriate Roman will ship it to you with free. Eighty two days shipping getting started. Simple just go to get Roman dot com slash no dunks and complete an online visit. That's get Roman dot com slash. No dunks for. We're a free visit to get started. GET ROMAN DOT com slash node. dunks as I mentioned we'll be dropping a brand new beach step in podcast tomorrow Wednesday January. Sorry I we're GONNA be recording that one a little later today so I thought to get us in the mood here. Guys we tackle a quickie here from row in Scarborough Ontario. Kay He writes writes row. Does who are the five best teams of the decade dot dot dot to not win title. Let's exclude teams teams. Like the seventy three win warriors and the two thousand fourteen heat because both of those cores still won championships. All right. That's rose rules and we thought this was such a great question and he was asking for the five best teams that we had to make it a top five top. The talk by Tom Tom. This great question from Roe and I liked the stipulation and not like the seventy three warriors twenty fourteen he. Basically I'm throwing out any franchise that won a title for this top five during the two thousand ten so starting starting at number five the traditional way not the way at number five Indiana Pacers most wins of in the decade of teams. That it didn't win the title. They went to game seven against Lebron in two thousand thirteen. All that being said I don't think they beat the Spurs in either thirteen or fourteen. Those were there two last years for the Pacers but we saw with parallel. Teach the space with a problem for Roy and I think they would run into getting spaced out against those. I I have a whole bunch but those pacer teams. They were very very good. Paul George ascending to superstar status at number four. The Los Angeles Clippers third most wins in the decade for teams. That didn't win. Titles they topped out at fifty. Seven wins the problem for them injuries. Meltdowns Bounce Jared Dudley said. They were bipolar team. They liked each other off. The court hated each other on the court and couldn't ever get things together. A bunch of front runners is what he called them. This is what Jared Dudley was saying about his own team Jared Dudley. He likes spicy. Take the other problem. The clippers were at their best when the heat were at their best. That's tough and number three Chicago Balshaw. Nothing wrong with that topped out at sixty two wins they had the youngest youngest. MVP In league history. And Derrick rose. They had the best record in the League back to back seasons and they beat the Dallas Mavericks twice during the two thousand ten eleven season when the heat ended up beating the balls in the conference finals then went on to lose to the Mavericks. The Bulls beat the mats in twenty eleven. But they couldn't get fast Lebron then then twenty. Derrick rose blows out his ACL. And that's the end of the bowls championship contention at number two Houston Rockets. Second most wins of no title teams. They had sixty five win season. James Harden has won. MVP has been second in MVP voting multiple times if they go three for twenty seven instead of over twenty seven. They are in the finals. And they were the second best team in the League during twenty-seven tough one for them at number one kind of awed. Actually because of some of the crossover the Oklahoma City Thunder for sure they had the most wins of no title teams during the twenty tens they have three guys who won. MVP on their roster Serge Ibaka who eventually got a championship. They want to the finals in two thousand twelve. Everybody's thinking man. We're we're going to see this team battling it out for championships time and time again. Never got back a whole bunch of injuries. Obviously durant left eventually. Westbrook is now with harden in in Houston where they're trying to right some wrongs but You go back and watch those like twenty ten through two thousand fourteen hundred teams and they are incredible. Durant was the most fun guy to play with in like two K Games because he was so athletic when he was such a when he was younger player before he had some foot surgery before he got older. got a little bit slower as we all do. Westbrook was a force of nature hardened just had some great games in the playoffs but didn't have a ton of huge performances. They just were or a little too young and split up too fast but the thunder the early thunder. They were great and they gave Bill Simmons hundred dollars talking about the one if talking there they just did a re sports re watchable on the bucket. Basketball podcast two point. Oh and I have to say it was tremendous ooh excellent Spurs versus Thunder Twenty Twelfth Series. Great to go back and listen to again and then the injury the next they actually got better. After Losing James Harden. They had a sixty and twenty two year thirteen year and then Russell Westbrook got injured by Patrick Beverley in the first round against the rockets Sunday kind of fell apart that if that could have been there they've been the three one on the clay game against them is that even I think I mean I don't know the twenty twenty twelve heat. Were really really good. Call at the end of game too. When durant was going baseline he got bumped just a little bit by Lebron? They didn't call it. He messes and they ended up losing one four but no if they go up to. Oh that's that's a different series. Yeah I think that's just the product of a team getting to their first finals playing against the team and Lebron and Wade. That have been done that so they win game one and then they lose four straight because yeah it was just their first time but I thought twenty thirteen. They're coming along in that right. Westbrook injury killed them. Yeah it's strange to see those two dudes as you said both. MVP's and then throw James Harden in there digging. Get one that that to me. That's the number one one if the raptors don't win a title last year are they. Are they on that top five lists that you put together. I wonder well you know I'll take any chance to denigrate the Pacers Heyzer so I would surely slot them in at number five instead of Indiana a fraudulent contending tea and the only reason they were even the mixes because Derrick rose got her. Don't tell me Paul. George is a real superstar. He's a substitute superstar. But he's still good. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I brought that up to the Pacers fans listening there. You're so happy. The Pacer Pals the Pacers. The only reason I really hate them as because they stole the pulses spot because there rose did get hurt and they had a great one eight matchup early on but uh good teams during the decade but not everybody can win championships top five. I love that top five great stuff. There recently. Saw Top ten dunks the decade Paul George Against Against the heat and that twenty the high five. Yeah five school. After Lebron had to give him props had to give props that was that seemed him to be that look like it was going to be the eastern conference rivalry for a long time. You know before Lebron thank you bye bye. I'm leaving I'm Emma type of guy that's always looking forward right. I don't like the look the past too much But I have been enjoying this past week or so with these like best of the decade lists and like like you said task the top twenty dunks. NBA was tweeting out from the from the decade and plays and stuff. You know you're like Oh. Yeah that play. That was awesome refresh. Refresh your memory a little bit because it all sort of blurred together at times. Say About Jared Dudley. He came out and talked a little bit trash about that. How long did you spend with? The clippers was a year. We're not very long and so on the athletic with Bill Aram. He went through a lot of thanks. Jared Dudley very vocal guy at the same time. There have been other the clippers. That KINDA WANNA say some stuff about their times. What the clippers like? Jj Radic was on. Zach Lowe's podcast us. You know a bit more in and kept it to himself a little bit. But there's there's some nuggets of hey we should we definitely should have one and there was definitely some anger within that team. Some guys didn't like each other and a very very interesting eh psychological experiment that team if everybody came out and told what happened in that locker room it would be fun to listen to their stories on that because it seems about fifty percent founded the guys who are like Oh man Blake Griffin is the worst guy to play with and the other fifty percent of all Chris. Paul is the worst guy to play with two two guys that everybody on your team. Somebody on that team hates yeah. It's not a surprise that things go south. I think radic said they were broken after that Houston Rockets comeback. And you know they're all still there together and every any time something we'd go bad you would look at that guy and be like you were the one that ball that lead. I can see how that would fester over over time it is. It's wild because it sounds like they were like the the the flip of shacking Kobe's disdain for each other right like they made it work on the floor from by all reports and really maybe not the best of friends off the floor and away from the floor whereas it was sort of vice versa. There with the with the clippers where it was a struggle on the floor but maybe they were sort of friends like you said off of it fascinating stuff all all right. Let's get to tweet tweet tweet. Hey It's me again. tweet of the night comes from a little called V. Athletic NBA. I follow them. An incredible account it says hey. NBA Twitter. Let's look back at the last decade. skeets you'd love it copy and paste replied of Athletic. NBA with your answers. What's your team their best season the decade? MVP your favorite player. The biggest moment. And did you win a ring. I was so confused by the survey at first when I saw the tweet because I didn't know if it was like I didn't realize it was asking asking you personally about your one squad what I mean like I was sort of like okay Who's the Oh yeah? Who is the decade of the MVP Curry Lebron? But I'm like oh no no no. This is like specific to you and your only so I would be filling this out as a raptor raptor writing the Raptors Best Season Twenty sixteen. Well no in two thousand eighteen nineteen but runner up fifteen sixteen. I think because that's the fifty win season. They beat the Pacers and seven games. They beat the heat. Eight and seven games like Oh my God watching these games the raptors fan. This was going to war. I remember watching these Games and the drama and then they did have Lebron and the cavs at a two to two and then they got hammered in games five and six but that would be the runner up outside of the championship season. Yeah Decade MVP. It's Kyle Kyle our Kyle lowry. Yeah or is it yes. ABSO- absolutely oh it's not. It's D'Amato Rosen. Because if Democracy Rosen does not play to the Level D'Amato's in did for a good chunk of that decade then. He has never traded for Kawhi Leonard to the San Antonio Spurs to bring in the mercenary to help. Kyle lowry win a championship. So thank you for being just good enough serious kyle. Lowry doesn't play his level. They stink joking because on. The next question is Who's your favorite player? That's Kyle lowry is right. That's a no brainer. Do you have anyone else. I think I think Yeah it's it's a tough tough question. I mean I'm not. I'm not a favorite players anymore. I gotta be honest. I'm in the media game game now. I don't cheer teams but my favorite player. I guess would be Mark Assault for a strange reason because they went to the at the trade deadline. They made this trade from Arkansas Arkansas. We look at it on paper and say wow he would space the floor. He would obviously play credible defensive body. Joel embiid this looks perfect. And and then it's basically confirmation bias for me to see that all play out in a playoffs only months later is good as an analyst for me. Wow that's awesome a cool to see but also it just doesn't happen you trade for a guy and he helps you win championship the same season. It's very rarely ever. She'd walls did it with the Pistons but to have a trade for a starter and he comes into play big minutes so you know he he was a key. Obviously he's shutdown. Joel embiid for a lot of that series. The actually. I'm changing my answer decade doc. MVP as Messiah jury. Now the bad for you I mean that's that's a person exactly and that's a MVP most valuable blackberry. It's cool too because you were marcus. Fan Too Oh yes grizzlies and and I believe you know a lot of people were so. That's a good one next one. What is is it? What was the biggest moment? Probably an easy one. Yeah I mean. It's the shot. I would assume it's Leonard so still Saddam shocking that it went in I see. I've been seeing a billion times over the last week. Children beach cut him off number one. Yeah what's while still while to see that. And like I mean they don't win that game in overtime I don't think the rafters who knows we'll never ever need to worry about it. Yeah but biggest biggest moment to maybe it is good doubling back on my whole like Derosa was the MVP 'cause we traded him. Maybe it's blowing game one of the two thousand eighteen eastern conference semi says that the Valentinus Tip Gaya. That's when the raptors had literally felt like five chances to win that game finally on Lebron cavs and they come up short and then they get swept again and then that was like Casey. You're out of here all right. We're trading one of their fan favorites into rows like we can't keep doing this but the ironic part was Lebron also left the the conference. That was very strange. Part of that whole thing big moment then sounds like summer twenty eight t Trade and the Lebron leaving Baseman for me is when I missed my flight for the game team. That's sent Toronto to the finals. Game Six of the Eastern Conference. I could have seen it in person. That's the biggest moment for me because I would have been very tired coming back. I'm doing the show. Stay up all night so I'm happy actually miss that and then the final one ring right so your team wintering put yes to that. The Raptors after's wondering this past decade. Well what would you did. You got the balls yeah. Their best season was twenty eleven their decade. MVP that's a tough one it's derrick rose one. MVP Yeah. He was their best player. They had over the course of time but she basically had two great seasons during the twenty ten joking no of the heart and soul of those teams but Jimmy Butler was the best player over the course of the decade. Some any of those three guys I would probably choose no just for what he meant to Chicago. And the affiliation he still has with the T my favorite favorite player Noah as well though Jimmy Butler is their biggest moment. Rose tearing the ACL doesn't have to be a good moment. But if you want a good one. How about Nate Robinson? Twenty three points in the fourth quarter alerts versus the nets in three overtimes as the first round of the playoffs but as pretty cool eight Robinson go off and did they win the ring. No twenty one years in county. Wow Wow I love that tweet of the night. Let's get to pick him results presented. This segment is brought to you by cash. F The number one finance APP in the APP store. CASH APP is easiest way to send money to your friends like when you bought that extra bottle on New Year's Eve. Oh you're going to the club to not actually be in the club. 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A fishy line. I don't get it I I heard you talking about it on yesterday. Because you're saying starting to drop to down to six ish weird weird the bucks it was close game and a half and then the bucks SORTA crushed the second half especially in the third quarter. Yeah if you throw out that third quarter. Though they're covering the house a dunk fest. There certain parts second to youngest had a couple of huge ones. And there's quite stacey king was just like Janas just dunks the ball in the hoop. Yes but I I know what you specifically. I was actually watching the bucks broadcast so I didn't hear states. King that call with the Bulls but was it the one reason why he dropped it in his head. Exactly almost all citizens have might as well. Just not the huge one you're seeing in the highlights. Over Zach Levine. There was another one. Yeah it looks like a guy on a on a nursing crazy But Anyway Myself Lee took the bucks to cover the big spread. They won pretty handily. So that put me to eat nate lease nine and seven task task. trae had the bulls taxes fine. He's he's in the clear for December with one night left your tenant success but trae now seven and nine so trey you are one game behind me. You're going to have to basically pick against me tonight in order to hopefully tie it up and then we'll go to a little bonus picking when we get into two thousand twenty. What's tonight's game? What's the all important game here? The Dallas Mavericks at the Oklahoma City Thunder underplaying. Well this is basically a coin. Toss the Mazar favored by one and a half coming off. That lost to the Lakers. On Sunday we're Luca banged on the floor but did come back and play. So he's probably not one hundred percent but you gotta sumit's playing against the thunder who are Baldwin. They're playing really really well. And so the line fits the bill understandable. Why it's a clothesline? These teams are playing. Well Yeah Luke last I saw Luca and Tim Hardaway junior questionable. So so who really knows. That was a while ago. I guess now Zoom Tim. Hardaway doesn't put too I I guess what so. I guess I'll pick I C swerving. Yeah wow I'm going to go with okay. See so I'm going to take okay. See at home they get a little a bit of points there so he could lose by one With the plus one and a half so you got the maps cool on the road. That's a good game. It's we've got some Matt Navy Talk. aww today a couple of ammunition idea for if I lived this become payoff. Yes a couple ideas were let me throw a magic number. One sloppy the New Year. Come over at midnight and as it turns from eleven fifty nine to twelve slap in the face can be new capi into twenty okay number two twenty twenty vision. I don't know what it means but now that we've been talking about ugly glasses. I maybe I just have to wear ugly glasses for the whole month. The January. Wow I feel like that but I also don't actually have to wear glasses so I mean that's the weird part heard about it and number three just a traditional game of ice chest shirt off is on my chest leaves some wealth and everybody has a good time. I was thinking ice chest to as a cross ability. Okay well if you have other ideas still have time to let us know Hashtag no dunks tweet at us at no dunks. English know what we should do for our picking payoff speaking of I got a text over over the holiday break from Caleb signs a friend of the show who says hang with our big group of Bras down here and I was thinking of introducing thing that is met king. y'All talked about on the pot a while back. Are there rules scoring or is it just what it sounds like a bike. Just let it rip. Yeah it's very simple. Take your shirt off. Have Your friends though I sat you at whatever you feel comfortable with what your eyes should be wearing. Ugh I wear where some And take that ice nowadays. Ought it depending what ice. We're talking about here. That's the thing we've never played with full accuse facing you know what I mean like. Tell Ya they've been shaved sort of cues but not like shits shaved ice. We have played with but I mean more more leaning towards cubes than Non Cubes Acute has more weight two more but the hotel lies from the machine. That's like you're throwing Ninja Stars. That's more pointy in a way. It should play with cute. That's my suggestion. It's a soft ice but it's but it's fully formed it's not it it would propel itself through the air very well because it's a full cube. That's not extremely hard in a nice to chew on a lot of that decision with ice. All right guys. Thank you so much for joining us us for the final show here in two thousand nineteen as I said. We'll have a beach step in podcast for you on Wednesday January first and then of course the daily show back into it on Thursday clip. AB- rose you heard it here. 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Audio Judo: Barenaked Ladies - Stunt

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Audio Judo: Barenaked Ladies - Stunt

"Hello everybody welcome to audio judo. i'm kyle matthew. Hello and this week. We are talking about bare naked. Ladies hell yeah we are. Hey it is just when a gay man always wants to talk about bare naked ladies. That's what i figured you'd say. I am so excited to talk about all their parts. Parts in the upper parts in the lower parts in all of the parts. I'll give you some annette an nfl. Anatomical terms okay. And then thomas gone all. That was a mess. Welcome audio judo. Members of the pantheon podcast network home of the first hd. Podcast pantheon is a group of music. Related podcasts all in one location. Goto pantheon podcasts dot com and check out some more options his end with an s. That's why i was very sibling. Is i heard about that so today. We're headed back to the nineties. Yes an era that we clearly neglect on the show to some degree. Yes i took a little inventory of our episodes and even the nineties episodes. We have done focused on the very early nineties. We have yet to deal with an album specifically from ninety five to two thousand rain really s. We've covered a couple in our multi album episodes luca but not one by itself and that changes today. Quick synopsis Something we'll talk about during the track by track. I'm sure is This was the album that both made the band and my opinion also broke the band at the same time. Okay sometimes too much of something isn't necessarily a good thing You get everything you want and you have to pay the consequences at some point. And i believe that's what they eventually had to do. So bear ladies alternative. Rock band formed in nineteen eighty eight from canada. Known most for Song off this record. One week that we'll talk about and for our younger fans probably most known for the theme song to big bang theory. They had varying degrees of success. A success through the early nineties with their debut gordon and subsequent studio releases Wasn't until they're live record. Rock spectacle released in one thousand nine hundred eighty six when that began to gain some traction. The states and they're older catalogue began to sell to some degree. The ban was originally. Just a duo ed robertson guitars and vocals steven page also vocals some guitar in nineteen ninety. They added tyler stewart and The brothers creggan. Jim krieg and andy creggan on bass and keyboards respectively in one thousand. Nine hundred five. Andy creek and left the band to pursue other interests and they added kevin harlan. And this is the configuration of the band for stunt which is what we're talking about. I don't think we said that did today. No we did so we should probably mention it. We're talking about stunt. Yes stunt nine hundred ninety eight render said on mentioning dont yes. That was poor. It was It was four of us. Yes okay so. I had known about barenaked. Ladies for several years by the time the record was released fortunately where i grew up We had access that a lot of people didn't have so growing up in the metro. Detroit area We had proximity to canada. And therefore canadian-based radio stations. Coming out of windsor. Oh we're available to us so there was a station. They're called eighty nine x eighty nine. Point one on your your radio. Dial this was the first alternative rock station that i knew of and it was great to have that kind of constant exposure to music. That was considered alternative. And that you would otherwise have to track down on your own or rely on your friends to tell you about So it was very unique to signal themselves to the world. Eighty nine xs. Very first song they played was stop by jane's addiction to anyone who knows jane's addiction knows that one of the lines is a turn off that smoke stack and that god damn radio. This played because canadian broadcast. Laws aren't as severe as the state. so no editing. My so we are going to be able to listen to these alternative songs. The way they were courted in that was a big deal for us. Because you're hearing you're hearing the way. The songs are meant to be heard not having the edited versions for whatever reason. Fcc 'cause screw the fcc fcc o. are coming. They're coming in the door. That sucks i know right Anyway so i. I heard barenaked ladies when they released their debut album gordon in nineteen ninety two There were a few songs. They played on the radio namely enid and be maiocco ono both very good songs and if i had the ubiquitous if i had a million dollars yes i liked it know. I thought they were quirky. It was fun. But i wasn't like blown away by there. Were tons of bands like at that time that i kind of felt that way about Good but not great good enough to listen to on the radio but not great enough for me to invest fifteen dollars to get a cd you know so i was content to listen to them when it popped up on the radio. Yeah and by the time. I heard you know really heard of them again. I got married. I had moved to denver and started my life. Heather had literally just had our oldest son christian. It was like early. December nineteen ninety six. And i was out shopping for christmas presents and i like to go to the record stores because they cool gifts. They always had like gift sets envy. Be sets and stuff like that and rock spectacle. Was there on one of displays. And i thought you know why not so i bought it and listen to it and i was like hooked because it sounded so much different than what i had heard before they played with this kind of joy. And this improv element. That kind of became their thing for a long time and it was really fun to listen to this time. It seemed like live on as posted like studio fun. Yeah as an aside. You know the origin of the ban. Yes you do. But i didn't write it down now that you asked me that i remember reading it the other thing. I should make a note about that and you didn't just looked at my notes and i did not make note about well. There's a couple of different explanations so let's senior spontaneous right because somebody called on the phone and was like yeah they wanna open for. I can't remember band. You'll have all these notes while they may they name themselves for a charity gig. Basically it was like a one off charity gig. Someone said hey you should. You should play this gig. We don't have a name name yourself. And so they decided to keep. That's that's what the story is. But we heard i remember hearing a story on eighty nine next years ago about how this how this probably really went down as opposed to a charity gig zone. They were set to perform at a bar in toronto and they needed a surefire way to get people in the door. And fill the place. And ed said i know that we put on the marquee bare naked. Ladies tonight we will fill the place so they put on the marquee bare naked ladies tonight because no one's going to turn that down and they filled the place purpose every time you put on a marquee bare naked ladies tonight. People are showing bills. The place up right people are gonna show up. I do know that caused some controversy controversy too. There was apparently a big billboard that was across the street from like the statehouse in ontario. Or whatever. I'm sorry. I don't know it's actually call in canada But there is Some city buildings or whatever. Parliament parliament exceeds. There's some city offices buildings and had a big billboard that's at bare naked ladies on it and somebody in the office was offended in. Oh yeah take it down and it turned into this big thing where it turned into this big fight and it was one of the reasons why they blew up to free publicity exactly. It was all over the newspapers. It was on tv. You know people were reporting this burning ladies. He's just a ban. No it's good though that that's if it's that memorable people are going to be like. Oh i'm so mad about that. Matt about what bare naked ladies. What when when this album came out. When stunt came out guests was in middle school and since this kind of sorry sorry everybody met. I mean i was very old and retirement. That's better okay Middle school and every month they would send out a this newsletter and some poor secretary had to xerox because this was pre email you know i want five hundred of them on goldenrod and five hundred of them on cobalt canary. Okay one thousand yellow. Yeah they would send out this newsletter once a month and most of it was just you know. Hey here's things that are happening in school. Here's this here's that whatever but they always had this little notes section in the background that was like. Hey you know we've noticed. Recently a lot of kids are bringing You know Pogs school and that nissan meet. You know it's it's distracting. You need to keep those at home. Keep the ops. Go upstairs did stuff like that. All the time but bare naked ladies actually me one of the newsletters and they specifically said they were like you know. The name of disband is bare naked. Ladies so we're going to. We just want to bring it to parents attention that there's a band with his name so that if you hear your children talking about its They might be talking about the ban but you should have an open conversation with them about it To make sure what they're actually talking about I thought that was hilarious this year. School this is my middle school in utah in utah and i was like very interesting but they would. They would do stuff like that all the time. It was very Well good for them for getting out in front of it. Yes but i think they did it for the wrong reasons. Honestly probably they were like danny naked. His it sounds vulgar and disgusting. We need we need to stop that right now by bringing it up many times. Yes so the the band would utilize the success of rock spectacle. to drive them in the studio as they recorded stunt stunt re recorded in february and march nineteen eighty eight both austin texas. And what did i say. I think he's said eight son of a bitch nine hundred ninety eight. Sarah didn't it didn't want people to think it was recorded. Eleven years before it was well. It was released on july seventh nineteen forty eight. Wow dammit kyle the stats on this record. That'd get a few all right. This was their successful album. Enter the charts at number three sold over. Four million units by the end of its chart charting run say fourth studio album the single one week. Obviously Became the band's breakthrough single in the us by hitting number one selling over five million copies and it stayed on the charts at number one for one week. That's ironic right. It also reached number five in the uk and sort of helped revitalize their career in canada as well. Funnily enough One week did not get as much radio play in canada. A lot of the other tracks on this album did correct over and talk about that. Yeah so i mentioned that kevin hearn had joined the band for this particular record. He actually joined for the previous albums. tour born on a pirate ship. he was able to record stunt but during. The recording was diagnosed with leukemia. Yeah fortunately So he didn't tour but he did appear in a couple of music videos and good news since made a full recovery in is still a very active member of the band. Good for him for making recovery. Exactly bad for him for still being a member of the band. I think it's a. I'm just kidding. No no i'm right there with you. Yeah i think that's where this that's where this episode go going ahead but the cover art Do you have anything about that. So weird image. It's like it almost looks like it was cut out of several different pieces and put together It's created by a graphic designer and artist named john roman. A really couldn't find a whole lot of information about him But i know that he is also. The illustrator of children's book called a stick. Boy yes as he has not read it. I because i was came out after i was a child so well. John roman was very busy around this particular time and won the juno award. Which is the again. The canadian equivalent of the grammys. Nineteen ninety eight. However not for this record. He wanted for tom cochran record that he was released that year as well. He's also worked with a size bare naked. Ladies is work with sarah mclaughlin as well. is currently the senior vice president of creative design for network entertainment. Which is he huge Canadian artists label has a sarah mclaughlin. barenaked ladies and a bunch of other prominent canadian artists on it. So he's quite busy. We're good for he's got a pretty lengthy catalogue. Yeah of of Album designs and other creative works so so he's busy. I for some reason. I had a lot of trouble figuring out like there. Were a few a few locations that i could find works that he had done like other album covers and things. Yeah but i couldn't find a really strong like Internet presence is linked in popped up weirdly enough. Oh and i might. This can't be him. And then i clicked on it mike. Oh no that's definitely had did not check his linked in well. I went right to his linked to. I don't know why he didn't go to a why you want to go to the complaint in date world's most popular social media site and i didn't check it i come on a why you didn't so so. Yeah we're i'm ready to go to the trump. i tell you what. I got more things. We gotta talk about a couple of the fun credits on this album. Okay ed robertson. One of his Credits was employee of the month. July nineteen ninety-five. I'm gonna reference that. Yeah in the track. By trump's it comes up later Several people are credited as a don's lemay zone yes which will also come up. I'm sure on the track by track there in the house. Natasha herbert is credited as parlay francais is. She does speak of the french. Sued drew the expert violin. Tuning party recorded. Live at jimmy sees birthday and the halla halla was sampled by don garbutt. Edano where it's from though. Yeah it didn't say. I couldn't find any. I know the sample that. I don't know where it's from. Should we do this track by track. Let's do it. It's been one week since what since since you looked at me. Since i looked at you just the opening line to this song that its plan you can say that and people immediately know the whole song. They know what it is far and away. The band's biggest hit oh yeah and also only two minutes forty nine seconds very short song. It is a tight little number if you know if you know what i mean. Written not as the duo written just by ed robertson Who also wrapped all the lyrics on this. Yes so in the summer of nineteen ninety eight. This song was ubiquitous. It was literally everywhere freaking everywhere and had benefited greatly from a mic. G directed music video. That seemed to be on. Mtv every hour so like you said written by head when he was asked if the rap parts had anything to do with the rest of the song his answer was absolutely non. He said he could tell you how the rap verses related to each other but had nothing to do with the main part of the song so before we get into that. I can't remember if it was you kyle or somebody else. But i remember hearing some sort of theory about this song yet and that it was really about a guy murdered his wife. Was that you that told me that. Yes we talked about this at work laying on me because i don't Okay so several years ago and the internet this theory came up that this song is about a guy who murdered his wife or girlfriend and then kept the corpse in the living room and he was slowly going crazy with the guilt of having murdered her so all the lyrics like it's been one week since you looked at me so it means he murdered her a week ago. It's been three days since the afternoon. So it's three days. Since know he he started he realized. Oh my god i murdered. He killed her with a golf club. That's why he's talking about the golf. He's got to get new golf clubs with a set with tiny dubs because they're not flying off the backs exactly And he's sitting there trying to go about his life but wracked with guilt. All this corpse rots away in the living room. It sort of fits. It's one of those things where you know. There's a word for this. I can't think of it where you you can apply all these things to something you can say absolutely. It's scam murdering look at all these facts. He's singing about this. He singing about dark side of the moon and wizard of oz. Kind of sangley. Yes exactly the same type of thing where maybe but actively the band has said no. It's not both ed and steven have both said no. That was not the intention of what the song was about. Ed had been the writer obviously has in my opinion the final say and he said in an interview a few years ago. He's like it's an interesting theory. I don't think that it's true. Because i sort of led more to. That wasn't his exact phrasing. But and i was just like you don't think it's true but it was. It was something similar. So i don't know how much validity there is to that but you know everybody. Everybody has an opinion. You know okay. So as the story goes he wanted to write a rap part for the song that somehow related to the song and he couldn't do it. He tried repeatedly and it just kept sending like garbage so steven page told him that he needed to approach it like they did on stage every night. mentioned earlier. They liked to improv a lot and there was a section of their show every night that they would love a song. Just kind of make it up. And that's what ed did. He set up a video camera. He slowed the song down. Ended up recording four minutes of complete and total improv rap. And he sent the video to page told him. Don't change a word so he added a little move. Some things around arrived at two minutes of wrapping in the liner notes of the record. There is another verse that is not yet included in the song s star wars reference. Yes it does but broken down. The rap part is just rapid fire now have culture. References sailor moon curious. How harrison ford. I have extensive notes. So we'll to this in just a minute. Oh really there is a quote that i think is very fitting okay. This is from a newsweek interview. Ed robertson did The interviews done by zach schoenfield and zach asks when you wrote one week. Were you like this song is gonna get hit number. One is going to be our biggest hit ever. And ed said no one week was the last song i submitted for the record. And i didn't even think it would be on the record proper. Thought it might be a bonus track or a b side zach says. Tell me about the moment you wrote one week and ed replies improvised it Because i couldn't finish. It had the structure of the choruses and the idea of this relationship. Break-up i kept trying to write these rap verses and they were always crappy steven page suggested. Why don't you just freaks out the stuff you freestyle every night. Onstage is better than the stuff that you've been trying to write. I am provides four verses literally in a minute and a half then i edited the versus into two than i sent him a demo. The demo was just an acoustic guitar a drum loop amazing into song. Su drew from our record. Company called back right away and said we're going with. This is the lead single. I laugh at that. She is making fun of me. I thought she was saying. This is the stupidest fucking song. I've heard in my life. And then there you go number one. That's how it works. So that the rapid fire rap parts. You know it's the part that everyone remembers. yes. And i think it's the part that quite literally broke them apart eventually. So there's there's no doubt that this song was responsible for making them comfortable For providing them with everything they and their families would probably need. However i believe they felt an obligation than at that part to to recreate this type of song over and over for years So they're they're first. Fumes were exercises in various styles The first albums had jazz had pop had folk and a bunch of other like really quirky type songs and they got progressively more ordinary with their songwriting. And when they got this record and hit the mother lode with one week it became a move to do it again. Case in point the first single off the next record called pinch me had a slower sound to it and then they inject this really quickly sung chorus. Because i feel like that's what we're supposed to do now. Yeah this is what we're known for right and their number examples of like this. You know this in music like sugar ray sugar. Ray's most popular songs have nothing to do. With what their sound is like maroon. Five was this really groovy funky band and they have a couple hits that sounded really patterned in ordinary but those are the ones that made them a ton of money and then all of a sudden that's what they do but this one to me is the most egregious because they're such talented musicians and they were never really the same after this record and then trying to recreate that pattern. That's that's kind of how i felt about eventually led to add leaving the band. Stephen lee steve leaving the He had some personal issues and ended up leaving correct. Yeah to me that. I mean that that's the microcosm of that. You know you strive forever to get the success in you pay all these dues hit with something that you really never intention to be the thing you wanted to hit it with and then you feel obligated to continue to do that. Same thing to perpetuate it and you know it's a story zola's time bare naked. Ladies end the beast stories all times until he is this time to call. You have more notes about one week. I do all right so I had to look up a lot of the weird Cultural references in this. Yes go chalet. Swiss or swiss chalet is a canadian chain of casual dining restaurants founded in nineteen fifty four in toronto ontario canada. As of two thousand fifteen there over two hundred swiss chalet restaurants never touched a frying pan. It's the franken hotline assab. Yes when i bust. Rhymes burt tampered. We've got the mad hits. You try to match wits He was born as old heinrich camphor in nineteen twenty. Three and pass away in nineteen eighty. Sadly he was a german orchestra leader of multi instrumentalist music producer arranger and composer. He made easy listening jazz. Ranted records wrote the music for a number of well known songs including strangers in the night and moon over naples. Slough rates vary a very famous. Bert camphor tampered downs liaison. Yeah we're in the house. Yes if french free in the house are in our home. The smoking man over the cigarette man that day reference to x. file he'd he was the primary antagonist from the x. Files funnily enough portrayed by canadian actor. William b davis who was a former net former national champion water skier and for a time held various records in older age divisions. That's pretty cool. Conversation with brendan busier. Davis stated he holds the records for tricks in his age category. Adding i did hold the slalom record until this past year until some young whippersnapper of sixty five monteria took the record away from whippersnapper. But that was a sixty five. That is awesome tantric. Yes we about. Tantric refers to we talking about the sting sex sort of santro tantric sex tantrum denote the esoteric traditions of hinduism buddhism. It co developed most likely around the middle of the first millennium while tantric sex on the other hand as a slow meditative form of sex where the end goal is not orgasm but enjoying the sexual journey to enlightenment sting nine hundred eighty snickers what about nineteen ran ads which featured a variety of everyday people discussing why they like snickers the ads featured the jingle. Said it's so satisfying. yes so Changed it a little bit for a little. Bit still still reminds you that you got nothing about sailor moon there. Oh i'm getting there okay. There's my weight in order the song. There's more akira kurosawa yes. I'm sure you're familiar. Director nine hundred ten to nine hundred ninety eight use a japanese film director and screenwriter directed thirty films and occur spending fifty seven years but is probably one of the most important filmmakers of the twentieth century. For sure. sure probably of all time simply because he influenced so many other filmmakers including famous people like steven spielberg george lucas And basically anybody who made films between nineteen seventy and two thousand. That's about right. Sailor moon is a japanese show. Joe manga series written and illustrated by naoko. Takatshi got the blue man babes. Makes me think the wrong thing. It was originally serialized from one thousand nine hundred ninety seven the sixty individual chapters then published in eighteen volumes. The series follows the legendary. Abc's me adventures of schoolgirl named sukey. No she transforms into sailor moon desserts very magical artifact the legendary silver crystal. It was then later turned into an anime series that aired from india to any seven and then a live action series and then a second anime series worldwide. Take a shot in the dark. How much you think this franchise worth. Six billion thirteen billion dollars was way off. Whom anna may indeed right last but not least yes. Last words zone birch mount stadium home of the robie bomani. Yeah this refers to an annual soccer tournament helper. Charity birsh mount stadium in scarborough ontario Steven page and ed robertson have said that these are the hardest words to say in the song robbie officially the robby. International soccer tournament began in nineteen sixty seven when some areas soccer fans started a boys tournament to raise money for three year. Old robbie williams. Who had cystic fibrosis. Term grew and later became a benefit for muscular dystrophy. Research is well. That is very cool. Very good research. There i am. Scarborough is where they. I mentioned there from ontario canada. Yes more specifically. They are from scarborough so hometown. Yeah we didn't do any research by the golf clubs. I did not. I didn't i didn't research china. Mp friends anymore. I was afraid to type tiny nubs into google. It's probably good idea. Although there is a guy follow on utah. Old bold on families should know really. It's not a shield go to bed. That's a it's for the afternoon to brag but that's a great. It's a great bit of research. They're causing them for you. Did all my research on this song. I don't know anything about the rest of the. I was going to say that all the notes you have house just have four more blank pages. Look like i figured now now now it's all been done now. It's all been done before. It wasn't quite all done now now. It's all been done all right to flip it this one written entirely by steven page. Second single off the record Also the highest charting single. The band ever had in their native canada reach number one on the rbm chart who or bm page wrote the song as a response to his previous song. Brian wilson Which he believed to be too wordy. He wanted simpler chorus. Hence the woo-hoo woo-hoo and it's a relationship song about a couple of growing bored with their relationship. I mean it's another old time literally. They are as old as the relationship is really fun at the beginning but we reach the point where we've done it all so what's left to do and know he plays that out as a metaphor with you know roman empire through the thirtieth century. Like we've done all of this already. You know what. There's nothing left to do except love each other and but there isn't a lot of fire left you know it's a really fun straightforward tune. Here's a piece of. It's all been done bomb. So i have an important question for you so in my research. I did see that this is played during detroit red wings games. That's right here on notes There you go when they play in their home arena. Yes is this not insulting to the detroit red wings like it's all been done. Fuck you guys. You're not doing anything new. It's watching this. It's already ended tickets kind of insulting to other teams like looking at your point at the eleven championship banners and going. We've already done this. Do it again not this year. But we're going to do it again this year because we've gotta suck this year but next year. Look out because we're back. What's out. So i had a couple of interesting notes about that now i have to Go ahead modify that to one Welcome so it was used as the theme song for for show called baby blues. Had that note is well So big bang theory. Isn't there for zone. And it's also one of the very rare instances of ed robertson playing an actual real guitar solo. So that's that's good because normally it's the guitar color. It's not necessarily you know it's not there as a point of ban jackets holo but it's a it's good all right so the next track is light up my room. This is such a fun song. It is so now we got. Pass those two hits right in the album. Start to get a little more interesting. Dc to talk about the big songs. But i love focusing on these other songs ones that. Just don't get traction. Yeah this is a great song written by. Ed talks about a guy who grew up living too close power lines. Obviously but the protagonist is an eternal optimist and none of the blight of neighborhood or the weird things he's able to do because of the power line issue seemed to get him down. He remains positive throughout the song. And it's so canadian to and regional. So he says he says a hydro field cut through his neighborhood. I had to look that up. It's basically a huge power line grid that rides in a straight line to the transformer bisects a subdivision We had the same thing where i grew up. We called them. Edison fields or the edison Because the power line or the power company back then was detroit edison Okay so we just. That was the edison. We used to play ball out there or we'd wait for it to get cold and flood some of the area with the hose and get instant ice pond ou. That's an play hockey. So is it underneath the electric wires thinking about that. You know when. I when i wrote this. That's exactly what went through my head like wait a second. Oh did we take a garden hose to a giant power line and flood the area underneath it so we could play hockey. Nobody stopped us. Well that's what you do. Yeah it was a lot of fun but yeah. Those were the edison fields. Same thing that he's talking about. So i kind of wonder and i couldn't find an answer to this because i read that same thing about People calling them. Edison fields or I can't remember what the other regional one was from new york. I wonder is his hydro fields. Because it's hydro electrically generated this or is it because the company was called something like canada hydro ontario hydro or something no because it was electric. Okay yes. I believe the powers generated by hydroelectric dam. Okay and that's just what they refer to it as interesting but i love the way. He writes ed right songs. So he has a knack for turning fairly mundane acts or situations and making them really interesting and poignant. There's a song on a previous album. Called when i fall where he takes a window washer as his main character and paints this amazing visual image into a beautiful song about being satisfied with where you're at There's a wind from that song that goes like this. He says i look straight in the mir. i watch it come clear. A look like a painter behind all the grease but paintings creating. And i'm just erasing. A crystal clear canvas is my masterpiece. This is the way he pains like. Hey i'm just like a painter. Except i'm a racing everything and making it clear instead of putting paint on it so it's just really smart writing and this song light up. My room is very similar to that. It sounds pretty plain. Subject does grown up in a subdivision near power line and being okay with it because it's home. Yeah then he throws this little love story in there. But i think that's window dressing for for home. I think we all have that call to home the things we remember his kids. Where we felt safe and insulated In in this song he paints that great visual again. And here's a little piece of it right here. Rabin mommy straight tires live. Miles away channel are never get. We can dance to the radio station. Plays in our team. If you would soon be lift you up. The song has been bugging me. Says they started listening to this album. This is a song that was really popular on a lake. Stations like all nation on sirius. Xm a few years ago. I don't know the name of it. I don't know who sings it. It sounds so similar to this song. Really the music side of it. The lyrics are very different. But i can't for life me remember what it's called It's been bugging me. Because i've been trying to find my. How do you type into google songs. That sound like light up my room by bennie. ladies. I don't think you think he'd be a very successful. No there's a few websites that maybe this one may but it's none of them so I'm gonna put out a plea here if somebody out. There knows the song that i might be talking about Email us info at auto dot com and let us know absolutely but it was it would have been twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen maybe on the radio when it was popular and i remember listening to and never. I'm sure that at some point. I looked like oh. This is such a such a band. Recognize the name of the song. I can't think of it now. So maybe somebody. I hope they do. Sorry to divert there. no it's okay Yeah but i do really this. I think probably my favorite song on this album. Yeah it's a good song. Yeah it's a good song and again paint like there's nothing that that's getting this person down and i don't know how much sarcasm is there with like i can. I can direct the sound of the the wires vibrating and my teeth. We can pick up a radio station on my fillings. right it's It's just good writing and smart writing the girl. But i won't be that girl. You're not going to be a girl. Now bonanza what. This song is about right. Although i'll be there. Were this hot young girl. That girl You would you would wait. You would pick the nerdy guy. That is singing this song. You might over the hot jocks in the The popular kids. So here's the polar opposite of the songs written by steven page and his longtime writing partner stephen duffy. Well ed has this knack for making beautiful songs from ordinary subjects. Stephen has a way of making really cute poppy. upbeat songs. that have an undercurrent of darkness to them. And this is very represented in their personalities steven page like we mentioned he would eventually leave. Barenaked ladies in two thousand eight after a much publicized arrest for cocaine possession a few few years after that he would reveal that he believes himself to be bipolar and had periods of depression and despair clearly evident in the way he wrote his lyrics They were just kinda disguised behind this pop sheen to them. So this song as you mentioned it's about a relationship in which The guy is clearly being used by the girl and she is aware of it anger completely full of herself and her looks and he believes the only way she would ever give the attention he needs is if he was her because she couldn't help but fall in love with herself but and it's a big but if you were her he would treat himself exactly how she is treating him so it doesn't even matter but it's a really great juxtaposition of rules and written very smartly and of course you know that darkness comes out and one of the last lines of the song where he says you know when you're done with being beautiful and young when that courses run then come to me because basically i know you're self absorbed person but i love you and i'll sit here and wait until you grow up and ready to act like a big person also first appearance of banjo in the song. Yeah it's a nice little drum that's a melodic the background at the beginning to yes. He's a kevin hearn The keyboard ac- also plays clarinet them. A lotta and electric guitar on this album. Plus the banjo quite accomplished musician. Clearly have more about this. I do not but because you wasted all of your no notes one week hoping against hope that you would have detailed notes about everything else which i have some this conversation do it. All you know what matthew leave the. Okay oh wait. That's the next song leave to it's a. It's a song on the album. yes yes. it is Breakup song and it's almost a country song. Well it isn't a breakup song. Oh you fell for that. So this is another one of ed song. So i think the more you listen to bare naked ladies kind of like the beatles you are able to distinguish which of the two partners wrote which song So ed has very sweet almost folk country vibe to his songs and stephen has more of an edge which is also reflected in the lyrics so breakup song it is not what so. This song is about ed's brother doug who was killed in a motorcycle crash in nineteen ninety-three This is a very much. it's a literal song about ed being haunted by his brother's memory There's a song on on the record called who needs sleep. That also has some elements that as well but he's clearly in some stage of grief here and just wants to be left alone he literally cannot stop thinking about his brother and that must be. You know difficult to say goodbye. Because he's being basically he. There's a line in the song. I'm trying to remember off the top of my head psych. Apparitions still won't leave me alone. It's as if you never left. His brothers was constantly there and he could not grieve. He could not get past this block. Or he's a. He's said repeatedly that this song and a song on a subsequent were about that particular thing so it does sound like a break. I did not find that any my research though. Wait wait a go. My obviously fantastic research screwed it up. There was absurd but the professional. The melody itself is not particularly darker depressing. But it's an ice and there's some really stellar slide. Guitar work in the song too but the subject matter wants you know what the subject is definitely changes the way the song feels. It's rough now. It's rough to listen to in. It's if you know what it's about if you don't know what it's about it's like has nice little tune and then once you find out you're like oh so what you're saying is research is depressing. Yeah okay yeah. I'm gonna i'm gonna scale mind back and just put one note down song good Alcohol alcohol would probably solve a lot of problems right well. It's a good party time accessory. We are imbibing as we speak. This is back to steven page. Uh-huh is owed to booze and while it is simply Song to celebrate alcohol There's clearly a relationship in crisis in this. Yes he clearly states that he loves her more than he did before he discovered alcohol. So it's intensified this feeling so pretty dark. Still one of the things that i think is most unique about this song is the weird stunted first chorus Because it's only two lines and then it just cuts and you hear somebody say something in the background kind of bummbly. That's what i'm talking about. That's what they know that. Small talk of that small. That's all that's what they say. Yeah i thought it was. That's what i'm talking about two and if you listen to it i would swear up and down. It's that's what i was talking about but then you let's do it again after hearing that small talk and you can hear it in the say that small talk. Now be another one of those weird lines. This could be another one of those weird lines. where having someone say no no. it's this other thing influences. What you hear could be but every lyric site that i looked at said that it's that small talk. What are we talking about here. I think that it's like at a party where you're drinking. Yeah and you're interrupted in your fun alcohol drinking by small talk. Oh that's what. I take it to me all right. Maybe that's wrong but it's still a pretty dark song. So the line that i pull out of this is for while i cannot love myself. I'll use something else right. That sounds like problem. Territory me numbing coping. whatever you know. It's still a fun song. Though and it can easily be heard as a party anthem. Parts of that song where they're like. I swear they're just yell at chug chug chug chug shug. Interestingly enough yeah. This song was recorded naked right. There's always one song on every bare naked. Ladies record that is recorded completely naked from that same interview with By zach sean. Filled zach esta. You recorded the stunt song. Alcohol totally naked. What brought that on an ed said. It's funny we don't even do it anymore. We used to record naked when we needed some sort of weird energy for a song. Some sort of excitement or silliness or if the song was feeling flat and we needed to take it to another place needed dogs hanging but thirty years into playing in a band together. The side of our naked bodies does not change the mood in the room at all. It's like you've had to move on to harder things Anzac says when did you retire. The that tradition. It's as probably ten years ago. So i think this interview was two thousand ten two thousand eleven fair so probably so right after stunt and maybe maroon probably the last albums where they did this but Yeah boy i know they did it on maroon for sure so that that may have been there last year. They finished it so. This song was also released as a single Charted at number thirty three on the us. Modern rock track chart. So it's a minor hit was also featured in the two thousand eight denzel washington movie flight. Most likely when his character was boozing. It up big time before he took a flight a good movie. Pretty rough though. Call an answer. Yes another steven. Page song with the assistant of stephen duffy. Once again this is actually one of my favorite songs off the record. Okay it's excellent. I do like this song. Musically yeah I think the music video is terrible. Really didn't i don't know that i ever remember seeing the music video so the music video for this is the one that has a white volkswagen beatles. Okay so. I did the this similar looking suburban houses yet. Don't like that. It looks like somebody got like their first computer. That could do video editing and took their camcorder and they're like look. I can make it look like. There's like ten of me walking down the street and look the neighbor's car i can make it. Look there's five of them down the street it's a it's a dobie premier three point one and it just looks. It did not at the time. I remember seeing it and be like look or this is ninety eight earlier in that first. Non linear editor with the weird. It's got an affects pakistan with it. Don't use it but it was I don't care for the music video for this but it's a good song. I would agree with you that it's a very good song. That's on that aims at Reconciliation clearly and there was some sort of a betrayal it was released as a single remixed in short and for a radio play which is unfortunate. It is unique to the catalog. Because all of the vocal parts on song were performed by steven page himself all harmonies call and answer all of the multiple tracks and the vocal work. The end is some of the very best. Here's a bit right here. A great song and it's I've seen them a few times. Live in the before steven page left. This was this is definitely a highlight of the show. 'cause they would play it for a while there's just such great musical energy to it and It's such a great song right there though. There's that darkness that i was talking about right. So it's a song about reconciliation but that's quite the warning at the end. Yeah don't fuck up again or i'm done for you. And he's definitely leery of her because he's asking for proof but it's powerful. It's really well done. This song was included. On the ed tv soundtrack that would also explain there are clips from v in mid air and was also performed as a duet with alanis morissette when they co headlined tour in two thousand four called the only natural tour so that would have been cool to see like stephen in atlanta's bare naked ladies and fully clothed. Alanis morissette. yes that would have been Alright in the car here. It is kyle. It's the fox maybe four or almost mutual masturbation this is really where i bare naked ladies excelled for years and years. It's a wonderfully pop song but it has a very unique sound to it's almost spent like flamenco Very unique style and it's executed so well another one of my favorites. It's clearly story of an adolescent love. Affair probably one of the first for both of the parties involved fistful billings of low rage. She lives with her mom. So they can't make out They can make out fool around in the basement but usually if they wanna go further they have to go into the car and it pretty act pretty accurately captures those emotions. No love there just less than adolescent hormones and a lot of fear like if you listen to it. There's a ton of fear both of these people. They clearly wanna have sex but they are probably terrified of it to some degree. So it's just you know. Mutual masturbation and i feel like that's a bit of a double entendre. It is mutual masturbation in the way you would imagine but also the kind of vocal masturbation of going through the motions so to speak to come up with excuses as to why they're ready to go all the way or not ready to go all the way. It's lot of fooling around. You know and in truth. Steven page fashion. It takes that dark. Turn at the end where he explains the dream of him having sex with the girls mom and the girl realizing years later she listened to the song on the radio that he was singing about her. Yeah that's great. it's That to me. That's the part of the song that i like the most where it's like. Oh yeah 'cause that probably it probably really is about some girl. Yeah fooled around. With guaranteed out there. She exists she goes like fuck. That's me yeah. We did do that in the back of his car didn't we. He did stick his tongue in my ear. He wanted to have sex with my mom. She had a peg leg. Look hey people with peg with that are cool people. Nothing wrong with having a peg leg but You know. I knew a man with a wooden leg named smith. That's it you're not gonna you're supposed to ask me. What was the name of his other leg. What was the name of his other leg. Kyle then you go horrible joke and i apologize to the people of the world for that one well to listen to it so it's really smart writing again thanks. Mary poppins and this has another one of those rare at robertson guitar solo. So too on the same record to me. it's fantastic rare but comment on this record. Never is enough assure. Yes never is enough. This song i think definitely hits home. Because i feel this way about a lot of things in life like never doing these things. Yeah that's enough for me. So it's another ed song and a call to mediocrity yes. The classic called not work too hard because in the long run. It's just not worth the aggravation. We'll happily be. Mediocre reminds me of the line from the simpsons in homers talking to barton. Says you tried and failed. Bart the lesson is never try so one of my favorite parts of listening to bare naked ladies is their use of harmonies and they clearly can all sing and they do it well to me. There just isn't enough of that in music anymore. Like really fun creative ways and stuff where people are just joyously making music. It's very serious. And there's an element of fun here. That's not like you. Too far over the line fund where becomes parody and weird al fund. But they're still happy about making music. And that i think that's there's not a lot of that anymore. I think a lot of that stretches back to their early days too because they started out. I don't want to say they were comedy band but definitely hit comedy influences and in between the songs they did a lot of very comedic banter and a lot of the The hip hop stuff that they did the the wrapping things was done as a comedic bits. Yes and in fact they They were very influenced by corky and the juice pigs canadian they were discovered by korpi. And the tizzy they sent him a demo tape ritz and in corcoran. The juice pig said. Why don't you come on tour with this and open forests in lake late eighty sometime. I don't like eighty nine ninety. Yeah yeah at the very beginning of the career. Which is why stephen. Ed had to add additional members to the band. Because they couldn't just go out as a duo. Yeah i think there's an element of that that's definitely lost and even with with them specifically like the last couple of albums. There's a lot of joy i mean. The songs are thorough. Okay and then. I saw him on tour and they're still fun. Lives still a fun show. There's an element. There's a part of that that you know. Where's the fun. Where's where's the good times and stuff and the good feelings. It all seems very serious now and that you know it bothers me. You know funny thing about this song is that i think it was actually directed at himself. Ed one of the lines. Like you mentioned at the end about get your phd and get a job at wendy's and being honored with the money and robertson employee of the month at wendy's in july nineteen eighty five and to me. Those are the jobs. Those are the dues payers. No where we all learned that we had to work for a living. Where whether or not you know you were working to survivor. You work in just to have money to spend at the end of the week. We all needed to pay the dues and for a lot of set included. You decided right then and there you were going to do this stuff your whole life. Yeah you're going to get the hell out of there. I was going to do something creative. And artistic and i'm not going to be the guy that that has to wear a tie and sit in the meeting and do all that. I'm not doing that. And that song kind of tells that story of you know not doing that shit but like i'm going to be somebody else so there's a lot in there. Yeah to catoon do kind of like that. It's a the line is like. I never had to work a retail job. And tell people what they want to buy. Something and i always think about that. I think everyone should legally be required to work a retail job for six months and to be a waiter or waitress for six months. I think that's fair. I think that that should be like you know in like israel yesterday in the military in the military for two years i think in the united states should have to serve in the service industry absolutely for two years. The help kicked out all the time. And i think it would make Make this country much better place. I'm with you who who needs sleep matthew. Well i do co ed roberts need styling so early earth and excuse me earlier on the record we talked about to stevens owed booze. And now we have ed's owed to insomnia bug goose terrible feeling. It is a very depressing. So like i mentioned. He has a unique way of kind of this kind of normal subject and making it relatable and interesting and depressing counting sheep and heartbeats and all the way insomniacs try to get themselves to go to sleep and all of it is a big fat waste. Because it's not gonna work and on top of that. This is another song where it sounds if you just listen to it on. Its surface is a very upbeat. Oh hell yeah and then. You look deeper ended in the lyrics. And you're like oh god you can't get comfortable you know you're too hot you too cold. It's a disaster. Like i got the covers on me. 'cause kick off and incident like that last night i just laid awake for like two hours am i well. This sucks put the hurricane coverage on mike. This'll me right to sleep. Yeah no by watched two hours a hurricane coverage like damn it can watch this up-close there was a tropical storm earlier this year that they named kyle. I got excited. Because i was like What if it totally destroys florida. Guile destroy we want that headline. Yeah kyle destroys kind of headlines. Kyle consumes record amount of semen because he swept through a shipyard. That's why yes yes. I'm talking about the storm. Oh me okay. Besides the obvious stuff it. It's a warning to people who do get a bunch of sleep. You could always end up as an insomniac. Andy references a guy. Who's been awake since the second world war. So i did some research gavin's real while i couldn't find anything from the second world war. I found a name. A guy named paul kern who was shot in the head and frontal lobe in world war one and when he regained consciousness he stayed awake after that for forty six years. Wow other than the occasional headache. He was apparently fine because he kept his government job. The whole time. And i know There's has to be some sort of brain debt government joke in there somewhere but he tossed and turned every night and couldn't sleep and resorted to just closing his eyes for two hours a day but apparently he was awaken responsive during this whole to our so he was not sleeping. So that's pretty crazy right. Yeah quote. I wrote the song around the fact that i had a high school teacher in great ten. Who told the class. That sleep was a learned thing. I it was something. Humans had adapted because nighttime dangerous was better to just huddle in caves and relax for the night He shifted his schedule to where he slept for only about forty five minutes a day. He got so much more done. He showed us a story about a man in england who had not slept since the second world war which is where the lyric in the song comes crazy. Yeah that is messed up right. Learn it what you can stop sleeping. you're fine. i just not sleep win bullshit so enjoy that sleep. Everybody because not everybody gets it. And here's what that song sounds like. Ready world with asthma second world. War tight in mind is field of view things done. So it's so aggravating. Because that's exactly what you do you start making lists of stuff to do. Yeah and like. I should probably his down No i need to get up into this to murmur on the stone and didn't do a thing this well i forgot it all No use but it's a fun song though. It is a good song better than the next one told you so. It's that argument that every couple has at least once go on a told you so argument. Don't do that it's going to hurt. You know it's not al until you son of a bitch snout one of my favorites on the record. It's one of those songs. It just kind of lays there another country twang to this one right. And if i was the kinda guy that skipped tracks on records when i listened to him which i am not totally skip it. Lyrically tell story of a friendship. I believe it's a friendship gone wrong. Because one of the friends keeps coming for advice over and over again and the other gives it and he doesn't listen. Expect a different outcome. So we've talked about this before One of the things that Annoys me about people trying to interpret song. Meanings is when they go too far and believe it to be about something that it isn't clearly. The song has been interpreted as being about aids and ed trying to advises friend that if he continued to be promiscuous he would end up getting aids The evidence they have for that is the line a viral infection. That can incubate for years. And the fact that when ed played the song online he played in a red shirt that had the r. e. d. on it and That's just too much to for me years. I saw this multiple times. And i'm like no no. This is no this is song. It's about a friendship and you know the virus is how many times he's helped him in his causing them to be sick from this lopsided relationship it's not literal not for me anyway. It's just like you allow it to incubate you allow this kind of poison virus to incubate in our relationship for years and eventually there's going to be a sickness in it. I can only defend you for so long before. It's just like i can't do it anymore. Like everything has to have either a sexual connotation or something that unlike sometimes words just what they are. Sometimes a banana is justin. His just a banana like bananas told you so should my lack of notes should maybe speak to your Your the fact that you didn't care for it. I mean i. If i'm honest that is a good backup i at. Some point have probably listened to this album in the past. I don't remember anything but the hits from this album. Until i started listening to it again for this episode okay. This was definitely one that every time like this. What told you just get through this. Let's just get through it. Take some notes. Some fantastic though. Yes wonderfully subtitle. Yes ivory and i've this is one of the highlights from this record for me. This is a very good song. The background beat. Sounds like something that you would hear. In a nineteen fifties like info taint lake. Who can i think of what they're called now the little short movies. They used to show in classrooms. Not like a not a newsreel or lake monsanto's house of the future brought to you by plastic film strip. Yeah sort of only and not a film strip because it was an actual movie but short anyways. Just the sort of that that p- linke sort of background drumbeat noise. I do love this song. It's a very good song. It's very much a call back to how they used to record in how they play live. I feel this song was probably born out of improv. originally because some of it just doesn't make sense and relate to itself but it has ed's quirkiness and it has stevens darkness wrapped up into the parts. They sing but by this talking about right. Here is part right. Drink nether grow. Then i'll market sir. William will made the common cold find. You cygnus john on may one day that complete with dumbed down we can use in here. I do too but she's lobby. That was the reaction. I was looking for randy. What i'm talking about. Is that darkness like that. You just sings happily about turning turning the animals into boiling down and turn them into glue so the music parts of it kind of hearkens back to what some of their stuff on their debut album gordon sounded like this piano and this base at a real playful and cool bounce off each other and i feel like if they continued to make songs like this. I would still be listening to them today but they didn't. This particular song was like one that that's what they sounded like. That's what gordon sounded like. That's what really made me interested in the band in the first place. But alas when you dream kyle but the held is a baby dream about. I don't know that this opened a deep question for me was finding. I mean you listen to it in the lyrics are like oh this is about someone a father watching a baby. Yeah yeah and it. It turned out you know. Obviously it's a pages son benjamin correct Sleeping first of all kind of reminded me of that song by childish. Gambino baby boy. Same similar kind of vibe like you know a father singing to a son so that he can hear it off in the future. We covered that a while ago but then it opened this whole question to me so adults when we dream and children for that matter. When we dream we dream about things that we already know to begin with and then it sort of expands and becomes fantastical sure. What is a baby. No know even after the baby is born but before they've really been able to to randy is suggesting breasts babies dream about breast. That's possibility beano. Before they've begun to develop in the first few months of their life they can't really see in sharp detail. They can't really here with any fidelity you know their senses. Don't really work touch kind of does but not really and so do they. Just sort of dream of what it was like in the womb. Sort of a warm heartbeat kind of annoys. That's what that's what the song asks at the question and it opened that door and now he can't shut it. What is it. What is what is my dog dream about. He's clearly laying on the ground dreaming because he's switching right. So does a baby. Just dream about abreast or maybe or a mobile like flinging around their head like who the hell knows you. We're not gonna know all that stuff gets closed off your point which is part of the songs. Yeah that's it we're not gonna know. Is it possible. The baby dreams of being a dog. Maybe maybe it's a strange closer for me. it is. it's a memorable closer. But it's it's i think it might also be the only song i've ever heard. That uses the word font fontanills. The i don't know that there's another song. I'd have to an entity some research and as i suck research so matthew should do some research i can do some research so this album is still you know. It's very important to me. Because of where. I was in my life when it came out. No i love listening to it with my young son around the house. We know one when he was a little baby and it has some very special memories attached to it but this is more or less where my kinda love affair with bare naked ladies ended I've seen him a few times over the years. I bought several their records. After this one but nothing else really resonated like this record did and one page laughed in two thousand eight some of the darkness that made them interesting also left and when it's all just honey kind of loses its edge and they've had middling success since then actually having more luck with a children's album They released called snacktime and they've released ten albums since then and they continue to tour. 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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 233: Featuring Tie Domi + Erika Nardini

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 233: Featuring Tie Domi + Erika Nardini

"Lewellen welcome to episode two hundred and thirty three of spitting chickens presented by I pink Whitney the pink lemonade flavored vodka from our friends over at New Amsterdam Vodka. What's going on gentlemen? Let's say hi to the boys today. We'll start as always without produce him. Mikey Gi Grenell. What's going on up boys? I know the listeners can't see but I'm currently sporting our new. NBD winner hats. That are coming out soon. So haven't got a comment from you guys yet it. It was kind of disappointed about that. But they're dropping soon so keep an eye out for him. I noticed it. I don't know why I didn't ask where you're from but I did notice it so that that's a good thing you're a big guy. I'm a huge guy. I love wearing to skiing and it was just. I was crushing the to the whole time. I didn't even get a helmet because I just wanted to to be shown. What are you guys? Call them in the states. You call you. Call him hats or do you call them to when they had. I think with their hats tooks I learned from your yeah. I've always told them winter hats. I never call the two. That was next. Fell in the crew. Ryan Whitney the width. You just came back from skiing up in Vermont. How are the conditions brother actually great? I went up there on Friday. And it was just some powder some fresh Powell I was ripping it up. I listen I'm Ki as my ten times skiing in my life but by the end that first day I'm buzzing down well I shouldn't say black diamonds divide I'm buzzing down Blue Spruce circles. I mean I get some speed going but yet exhausted from at home I go. You can't do anything and I a great night's sleep after a full day of skiing but it was a blast tons of our sought a bunch of people. People recognize the word dog whistle intimidating mountain. No granted I did say I was ever had an enormous chocolate winter hat on so probably give me myself way but I I. I chatted up with some great people and I said next year I go skiing. I'm good for since retirement. One trip year. Maybe maybe going another one. I'm gonNA bring a backpack. I'm going to be backpack guy on the slopes slopes that if somebody notices me. I'll wear another hat. I'll be able to UNZIP the backpack. Chuck them some merch short. Just my good deed of the skiing season. How are you doing Biz? Oh Oh you're GONNA throw it over to me is more. Ra you throw it over me. I don't get comfortable unless already throws it to me wit align till midget last but not least the man and the crew Biz Nasty Paul. What's going on the celebrity? Well should I thought I thought maybe I'd get a little bit of a mention of team. Canada take home another world junior gold in that little intro there I drink notes. Yeah Ah congratulations as it Canadian. Yes I did have it. Further down the notes but candidate just won the world juniors once again I believe it was the eighteenth in its history. So how you found all of Canada gloating putting in celebrating right now. Well I guess let's start off by you know you re you go on twitter and you kind of listen who the front runners to win the gold medal and I mean from what I was reading before the tournament. Canada was kind of getting written off all of a sudden they get my boy bear at hating. And I'll tell you why he fucking rip that terminology. He he played today and I know they had that stuff early on the tournament. We discuss it. Let's move on. He ends up grade one separation of shoulders. What I'm hearing? That's what I didn't do any digging in the coyote side of things. That's what I read online and business. Sorry trump's quickly is great one worst grade three if I lived to be one hundred fifty. I won't no. Oh no no one is is like you know. It doesn't feel normal great area basically you're out for six probably six weeks just wondering. Yeah but doc didn't have that strengthening normally has but he ends up playing. He was a game time decision. Scores tying goal I think with eight change left in the third period. They were down three one in that third now not to take away from the Canadian victory. Is it accused Thomas who ended up getting the winner shortly thereafter at the end of the third. There's a little bit of a discrepancy in their win. Apparently there should have been a delay of game penalty when Canada clear zone with the PUCK. It hit one of the TSN `send cameras wait. They couldn't they couldn't say whether or not it was gonNA go directly out of play which we all know the angle and it should have been a two minute penalty so cadillac gets a massive bounce in that game and you know you hate for it to take away from the goal. But I can't be hypocrite not mentioned that what what a game or two Sunday afternoon to watch this game on the couch congrats Canada. You guys did it. You deserved it. Great win gold medal champions Opinions Champions of the World Barrett Hayden or a story from zero to hero from the bottom to the champion from the guy who everyone couldn't stand to the guy everyone wants is to be water run. He went on and that game that game. They said right at the end of the game. I don't know if it was Gord. Miller James Duh the're array chicken parm Ferraro. They said that's one of the gutsiest most legendary performances by Canadian and world junior history. You imagine the lineup of names. They've had and what guys have done in that tournament to win gold medal for Hockey Mad nation in Canada. This guy's now up at the top now recently bias jet but to play injured to tie that that game up and lead the team just Willingham to win via you getting on the ice through injury by scoring enormous goal by hitting guys being physical physical even with the bumped shoulder the bad banged up wing. He had just incredible to watch. You gotta think the future so bright for him because he like I said he bounced back from look like a complete idiot early in the tournament to be in the number one hero for team Canada. And Yeah in in our area before you jump in here like you said that happens. What happens happens if they don't have a great tournament and up losing out in the quarter or semi finals and they take Home Lebron's he would essentially have been remembered for that incident incident? Now he has to buck up and end up doing what he did in order to allow people to forget about that now. Of course there's going to be people who always remember it. They're gonNA hang on to that and and especially try to drag them through the mud forever. Get a socket. I got my gold medal hanging around my neck still body beat need it I love it and and how all these people messaging me. I guess the Russian coach just had an awful smell. It looked like a piece of chewed up. CARAMEL and I keep getting these tweets tweets like. Oh bears coach knows Lynn. The coach Faulk off all right so I had to address it. I said no I did not lend my note to the Russian coach. Can we please move on. Yeah he had some serious beak is going on. You weren't anywhere near his category busy. And the Doodoo scored Akil traumas. That was his only goal that tournament man. Talk about making the most of it but we had some anything else. What you wanted to add on that? So I Very interesting guy that Akil Thomas very interesting kid. He's got his own clothing line nine. He started when he was really that kid. Keep an eye on that K.. Because I've seen outside of the hockey world do a lot of big things drafted by the Los Angeles Kings. I'm going to reach out and try to get them on I think he's from Scarborough Ontario. So interesting kid. Congratulations to all those boys and Looking forward to getting back for this cup run for the coyotes for for you've kind of wrap up world junior stuff a couple of thoughts. I had one that Neal's Hog lander that Vancouver perk whole. We've seen a couple moves in the LACROSSE style goal. He had really the best one of this of this year. Pro Hockey In Sweden Vancouver back and then he was leading the tournament scoring five goals. Five assists get suspended in the semi final that Sweden ended up losing five four to Russian awesome game But still I mean like what a prospect for the canucks to have this guy come over. He was electric and I just think at that tournament ornaments so fun to watch because you really remember these guys pretty vividly when they're in the NHL and it because it comes soon it'll be the next year or two and a lot of these guys will be up. And you'll assuming you just think back to world juniors and and seeing them get to represent their country. I remember the chance. I got no better feeling so I love that tournament I always will and like I said. Congrats congrats the team Canada. Briefly on the Swedes. If five first round defenseman on that team we mentioned the fifty two and record in the round robin play. And that's it's a stretch. They went on the stat in that timeframe knoll where they have gone undefeated in the round robin fifty two only one gold medal to show for yeah reminded me of the Atlanta Braves back in the nineties when they used to win division after division went to a few world series and they only came away at one title. That whole time. That sort of reminded me of much of Your Big League Baseball Guy. Back in the day Biz. Yeah there was that when they had Greg Maddux yeah. Greg Maddux Chipper Jones that they stacked but like. I'm glad that John smoltz show so I don't. I don't follow baseball much. But for whatever reason I was always dialed in the maddox. He was a professor Professor Guy. They just say I'd like eighty nine miles. An hour fastball. Perfectly right on the corner every time with some movement just he he was the He out funk hitters are I gotta ask you since we're on. The subject Patriots ended up losing that game to the Titans A lot of people are being my favorite word hyperbolic about the fact that this might have. Brady's last game is the is the dynasty over. How you guys feel about it and I guess while I'm at the football games have been fucking incredible As far as the PATS I mean people text in the dynasties done when they lost the Miami last week It's just a lot of rumor and conjecture right. Now there's been nothing is newsworthy. Actual News at Brady may or may not come back. I know he said we'll see what happens. Ballot check is known for being cutthroat. He doesn't give Koya but I don't think he has somebody lined up after Brady right now. WHO's better than Brady If I was a man I would say that he will be back with the Patriots next year. I don't think he wants to go out like that as as well I hope so. I hope they get another run but I mean if it was the end Jesus Hall Water Run. It was just like I feel as a fan. I mean you gotta be so thankful you got to witness any of that so when it does end so we we told those red wings fans couple of weeks back just chatting about their team like you go to stick with the bad times if that's what's ahead because you'll always remember that that run and that dynasty so I just I mean like I love the pats. I hope he's back doc. I hope he gets another shot but if it is the end I mean I just appreciate that guy that go. Yeah but you know teams like Detroit. Those organizations have an aura about them. They're probably bobby. They're probably going to get first overall pick and get that started out on the left field in the IRA left the fray and the thing that's cranny there's Shami how many fans are young. They they don't even know what it's like to have. The pats even stink a little bit where you know guys my age. That sucker a long long time we paid I do so. You'RE GONNA have a bunch two people who are going to experience she patriots teams at some point in the next few years. All right well. I'm sorry for your loss. I always see the dynasties win because I like to hear the people bitch online in but man it was like a celebration yesterday for all those pats haters. It's hilarious. You don't have to give us condolences. It's only it's only a football game but I do appreciate door the Basil win it you know. Hey let's get some hockey news and now we've got a couple of DALLAS UPDATES for first off. I intentionally left the biggest. Thank you of them all last last week. And that was for the handful of Texas Angel delivered flowers to the spit and chocolates crew. I know Texas. Has the death penalty. Have like fucking grandma down there I sent without the bat signal because the boys you know we need medicine. We fly sometimes create a purposes sometimes sleeping purposes I wrote the Bat signal and Lo and behold they had about fifteen replies People really took good care of us at the live. Show a gentleman from Colorado. Hooked me up with this very pen right here. That's still been taking care of me few days later so I I just want to say we want want to say thanks to everybody who who sent flowers our way they they did not go to waste and they will most appreciated by the time every fan giving you the weed that they brought you. You probably were the largest the holder of cannabis in the state of Texas. I was pretty traffic and by the time and we live. There was a felony. You're walking with duffle bags of that shit but it Kinda comes in handy. We need medicine right Biz. It's unfortunate we can't just take it like fucking cigarettes but anyways we did have an update on recently phya Dallas Hostess head coach. Jim Montgomery he released a statement on Friday. And what you said. He is seeking treatment for alcohol abuse. And that has fire was quote the appropriate gall You you know. I don't think he was fired for coming home and having to my teens in passing on the couch. I think it's safe to assume it was the decisions he made while intoxicated by you know we got to give the Guy Credit. He recognized He's like he said he was living a damaging lifestyle This was his per wakeup call. I guess A moment of clarity. You might call it. And he's trying to make take these steps in life to to be a better man so we can commend them for that and hopefully he conflicts himself. He's clearly a great coach. And you know everybody has personal problems I do. Oh you guys do we all do and unfortunately his became a public light. I it's other public light so hopefully things about a Jim Montgomery going ahead best. When did you want to add this Roy? Everyone on loves a comeback story as you said. He's a great coach. She's got a long process of getting better ahead. I wish nothing but the best I I guess the last thing I'll say about it on the organizational standpoint is I I was reading a lot of people. Were like all like like what the players get to get sent to Rehab Avenue. You just fired a coach and throw them out of the bus. Listen guys. There's some things that you don't know. Just just listen. He's GonNa go get help. He's GonNa come back and hopefully coach again. This is you're gonna not to be blamed for any of this. Okay so I'm just telling the people who may be have that opinion back off a little bit. Yeah well said. I think that I'd never be one to say what rock bottom is for someone else. But you've got to imagine that's kind of close. Where he's he's gone and what what happened to him in Dallas but like you said the ability for him to coach and win wherever he's been? I think you will get another chance. And that's hopefully if things go in and getting better and feeling better about himself self so like you said best wishes to him and I think we will see him hopefully as as a coach again maybe. It's an H. L.. Maybe it's not in the NHL right away. But I think he'll definitely. I have no problem at some point. things go well getting another job and I guess like on the overall on a life aspect is this guy had his dream job and because because of those things it sucked them away so I mean sometimes you know people say oh he's got all this money and all this and it's just like no it's a disease man and we definitely definitely hope that this guy gets better from it and comes back even stronger and and as I said I mean we love comeback stories absolutely people I would say really owes an apology to if he does is just as family you know. He doesn't all the fans whatever he had. Some personal foibles and he's down with them and and one other note to I. I read the newspaper Article The Dallas Morning News and and and they wrote a piece. I go according to sources i. He's been going to alcoholics anonymous like the last month it's like. Hey you know what. That's not newspapers jobs report. It's called alcoholics anonymous. For fucking reason. I if you're in the program supposed to be anonymous you're not supposed to tell people so the source shares through the newspaper or they're assholes for doing it but I don't remember the report his name but it's not something you report it just something that I don't I don't like it I I again. I have a lot of family members and friends or in the program. And that's the whole basis of the programs the the anonymity so maybe don't put his name in the paper as having attended a meeting. RS Talking to a buddy recently who who went through that process and God help but his better now and it's awesome missy and he was saying he go- he couldn't believe the people that were in the room with him. Not Knowing these people are on top of the world they battled through this thing on a daily basis and some of them have to show up to these meetings multiple times a week in order to prevent themselves to from falling back into that whole he. He said some of these people he was seeing in the room. You know Ayla celebrities and have been sober for over twenty years because of these meetings so yeah that's their personal shit like leaving from the fuck alone. Yeah that kind of Shit bag moved there. But also as we had a little more residual went to Classic News Corey Perry ended up getting five games for elbowing nationals naturals Ryan Ellis in Uganda Buddy. You said five games. And that's exactly what he got. I guess it seemed appropriate Yeah I think because it was on the national stage and this is something that the League's trying to crack down on didn't help them out and and do them any favors. So I thought five was fair. I don't know how long this is going to be out as he is he back in the lineup. I know they played sense right. Yeah the on the I are gone now so I think that in in looking at the five games busy congrats. You're right gray call. We talk right away that it's the guys injured. You always say what would what would that That have been suspension for guy was still injured while this time time. You actually have that being the case without In a time when Nashville when they won Saturday night but while things aren't looking good even pack every and I said to a reporter. Things are not. Oh good right now but Corey Perry S- third suspension of his career. We talked about him always playing on the edge. I actually since two thousand thirteen But that was just dumb. Play dumb decision. I'm sure he would Want to Redo on that one because to get the like. We talked about the walk. Shame the greatest Walker. Shame in hockey history. I will remember that one for a while and the and the stars are going to miss anything stars have something going especially that game. When he was out those four-goals-in-eight-minutes we talked about that? So I just think the area sometimes has the marshawn right. They cannot help themselves. A how about his game used jerseys being sold online from pleasure. I I if I'm a fan like that tells a story much rather jumping on that one than I am a half the other ones right. I mean not to boot. It's Corey Perry. He's had a pretty decent career if you're in a Stanley Cups and gold medals and chip and goal scoring titles not to mention how many maze kicked off online. All people were. I love the mayonnaise man and and is one of the no to the TV ratings. They weren't good nationally but in Dallas and national they they were through the roof But one city they couldn't beat out was the number one city watchful as God. Bless the fucking great city of Buffalo Number one in the ratings and is actually. I thought it was interesting and the other cities After the Buffalo Nashville Dallas Fort Worth Saint Louis vagus providence new Bedford Greenville Spartanburg which is North Carolina. Oklahoma City Richmond Norfolk walk only two of those. US markets when the north everything else was was southewest which I don't know it's pretty good for the future of the League. A I know we talk about Buffalo. And how crazy Roese there. Sports fans are I was talking to call Miller the other day. I WANNA call their cup with him when I was playing with the Manchester Monarchs. Not a big deal you everyone one of those wit. Have you ever wanted you know went to the finals. I won the back. P World Championship Nine hundred ninety seven Thanks I'll bring my ring to the Hawk out there. You can look at Douay Emma under eighteen ring from team Canada when we won the world championships in Yaroslava Russia. Anyway back back to call a Miller I was talking to him and he he said fuck man is the these sports fans are not spills are popping off. They were axed added afternoon game on Saturday. They were GONNA go to a bar and watch it. Just a heartbreaking defeat seat for the buffalo bills fans so many opportunities to win that game by they just punch one in the fucking red zone but he was saying you know he loves it there he the the people are incredible. So's just great to hear like a guy's perspective where your you would consider it a a small market but just how in love with our their team and now that the bills also done. I'd imagine they'd get more fans coming out and they're just on the cusp of playoffs right now aren't they. Well we'll go to buffalo just naturally there the way you went to them. It's a scary time. And they got all of sins now five to six weeks. Jeff Skinner's Oh three to four weeks. It's just been They're battling injuries. Same with last year it's They are not right now in the playoffs. They are just outside the wildcard by four points. Right now yeah listen. This is what I'm thinking. I'm thinking a mirror image of the Taylor Hall season when he won the heart. Jack Eichel keeping them afloat into to those guys are able to get healthy and I think they can squeak in. I think if the Sushi now football's over they're going to get more fan support. They're going to get that Mo jo going. I think it goes at the level right now. Of What Hall was that year where he can keep them afloat to get them in he he has been just absolutely stellar. You guys see that penalty shot and over time. The tonight yeah ended against the oilers discuss quick quick flick of the wrist again. The weird thing with this liquid are- volcan tug on his hammer in buffalo. There's no skunks crush. So he's got the fucking strongest risks in their league. fucking Popeye over there. Got You WANNA take that back skinner. By the way he was paid for twenty goals after last year where he earned that huge ticket why scoring forty so I mean you. Even the season he was having prior was a little disappointing. After what you signed and what you saw the year before yeah uncle fifty five points in forty two games. Twenty six go twenty nine assists. He is having a month the season so I like to see him get in as well Taking a look actually corey. Perry wasn't the only suspension that the NHL Dole out since I last episode Sodas. La's Curtis Mc Dermott two games for an illegal check to the head of Phillies Ivan. Provorov looked like he was going for his check along the boards. I wouldn't say it was intentional. But needless to say The video side of the main point of contact not the first point but the main point was the head on that was the basis for the suspension with. Did you gotta look at that one. Yeah I thought they got it all right pretty simple in seeing the replay that that was the correct decision. Do you agree with me or not. I didn't even see the head I saw. When he got off the ice I saw when he got pushed off the bench by somebody the other day and he turned around and the lights when grabbed him with Dermot? It looked like he wanted to murder the entire bench. That guy is a psychopath path that he looks just terrifying at times. Yeah I mean trying to get rid of hits to the head. That's that's the only way to really deter even like. I said it wasn't intentional. Certainly look like he was trying to but if they gave them a game I I wouldn't have been. I would have been okay if they don't give them a game as well A boys the STAS might have stolen a win on New Year's Day in the third period. But you don't want sucker stealing stuff from your own home. That's why you want to check out simply safe simplisafe. Home security is like getting commercial grade at the price level security but for your own home think about the security fortune five hundred companies used. 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SAF DOT com slash checklists to save on home security today simplisafe dot com slash check. Let's all right. Boys their new new sponsor. Hopefully I'll listeners. Will check them out We already talked about the world. Juniors I just did mention the save as a couple minutes ago. They made a couple of moves while we were gone Currently four points out. We just mentioned they first off they sent defense in Monaco scandal to Montreal for Fourth Rounder and twenty twenty. They then sent that fourth round to Calgary for Ford Award Michael Fro leak. He's got ten points and thirty eight games. So far this season He did waive his no trade clause to go to Buffalo Affect Buffalo traded scandal for for leak scandal makes four million dollars. He'll be Ufa this summer he had nine points in thirty one games with the sabres this year. There's been speculation all season long about buffalo detailing tailored defenseman. They finally got around to it Whitney with take on this one well actually before you throw over to wit. Ra in all ask you because I never played defense at the National Hockey League level. They had eight D. up until now scandal and they have some pretty competent guys. Like there are. There aren't any plugs in the eight whereas it to keep everyone in game shape deep in playing a kind of take some guys at a rhythm. Because you're you're spreading out the games guys you know you gotta be playing every game and get your raps in order to get in in the real comfort zone on you need to play I. Am I wrong here here. And so hard when like even on nights when teams play seventy base. You remember when you play dance Karski get. You can't get into early groove you get you. You need to get into a groove and so when there's eight guys and there's always shuffling between every other game and actually I don't know if that that's been the case if they've always been switching up there six or seven but it just tough because you'd never end up getting a partnership with another guy we're going into every game bearing everyone being healthy. You got your top pair your second comparing your third pair. A lot of good teams go on runs would've ad is the case and it's just difficult so scandal will get a chance somewhere else and I all offs and being out. Just that really sucks about flow because you look at a guy who was sneakily end probably top three for for the caller trophy voting. If it was now I could be wrong but I believe earlier in the season Babcock Dress Seventy and eleven fords and I want to see. It was even healthy scratching spasm while doing. I may be wrong here here. It was somebody did it but as a head coach man I know if I was one I wouldn't never in a million years play seventy only situation situation would be if you have a very defenseman who wants to try it out and play through injury and you're not sure where that guy might have to step in and now now you have sixtee- exte- because that guy is going to lead the game and I would want a guy who's able to also have experienced at forward I was gonNA say a guy the other instance it's if a guy's just running your power play and solely only playing powerplay which you've seen happen. I've seen happen. But how many times our team's successful with that. That's Marc Andre. Berge Ron do that at one point for the oilers and just come in and take one hundred ten mile an hour one timers. I'm pretty sure he did that somewhere. Maybe it was Tampa but still I know I know I listen. I hate seven. I'm just trying to think of ways it. The injury one is obviously completely valid. But it sucks there never has. It goes up when I was in the American League. I had to take up sometimes on D if there was a guy who was playing who was a little banged up. If we if we got up by a certain amount Stutz you would come to be before the game and say. Hey you're you're going to be taking some reps on D. tonight. And that's why I said if you are GonNa go seventy UNITA guy who's able to jump up and help out because there's so much skating now in in in the game is so fast that you have to maintain that high end paste wrote an entire sixty minutes and all people are GonNa slaughter me for this but teams yes. You have depth like the coyotes. That's why they're successful because they're able to maintain that pace all Gamov so if you don't have depth than you rely on on your top six you have to have an extremely elite top six in order to to pay at play. Eighty two games get yourselves in the playoffs and then have enough energy to to keep pulling the weight through that so it's all about having a balanced lineup. And and I mean we saw team like Philly the other night where their bottom six is a little thin. Uh Of course losing is it Oskar Limbaugh is how I sat which is which is terrible. Now is such a tough loss for them on the hockey side died of it. Obviously it's it's life and it's far bigger than that. But he was leading point getter at that point so not only do they lose a big guy in the top six they just. I think I'm GonNa Kinda retract on my earlier predictions that they were gonNA make playoffs. They're just so thin in on an leans lines three and four that it's just so much strain on the top six. I saw the coyotes put a six to beating on them was wondering when you bring that up I just did allows happened. How many how? Many people were at that game last night. I had it listed. As A SELL-OUT I would say no no fewer than sixteen and five. It was a great atmosphere okay. Football's done now. And this is the winningest team in the valley so people are starting to come in droves. Because they're like Holy Shit. These are fun to watch. We got guys on Connor. Garland's making seven fifty. He's got what fourteen fifteen talks like fucking Sala roster so sorry at all you people at the listen you fucking the coyotes but I love them keep on blithering bulk. One one other quick note. I tweeted the link out today. So very cool news and I know you're a golfer wet so you're gonNA appreciate this so the Waste Management Tournament. I had to keep this secret from months. The Waste Management Open has a pro-am on the Wednesday and Shane Doan begging the planet for years and years they've never had an NHL guy Not even Wayne Gretzky played it while they the the chairman Tim Woods reached out to the coyotes and said. Hey we're going to invite chain this year but we WANNA do it in a funny way so we did this little spoof video where I went to the sixteen St Paul and they recorded it as if I was going to get asked to play and I was just like rubbing my hands together so excited and all of a sudden he goes. We're going to ask you Paul. Listen to caddy for Shane down. So obviously I was acting pissed. You guys can watch the video on coyotes social media or twitter so but the the the key to this was is a month leading up chained owns wife also had to keep the secret where we had a first responders night last night and don't donor wasn't supposed to to come to the game and they said hey one of the first responders wants to meet you which of course they did. Donor drove all the way down the rain just to shake hands with them during the first intermission and while that what happened was happening they put on the jumbotron. So that's how. Shane don't ended up finding out that he was getting invited. So the chairman ends up coming out surprise him and and he he is you could see his mind was spinning and afterward he goes man. The only thing I can think of is like I have to circle and take fucking lessons right now because I'm going to embarrass myself. I self on national. Because he's got a bit of a Banana Hook. You're on the bag. So that's only going to add to the HOOPLA around. I told him I said I fucking reading your pots. I'm going to be porn. Warn People Pink Whitney on the sixteenth hole the hallway to the to the green. You're going to be delivering a way out there. So sorry to to keep talking about the coyotes but I I thought that'd be a fun thing to mention not a problem I saw it pays. Its funny very funny. Oh and lasting fucking Rhonda got lower body injury. We're not sure how long long it's going to be so now. Both the cow. These goals are out. Luckily we have some decent guys in the pipeline and eight and hell who came into relief in third period Against The Philadelphia. It off your flyers on Saturday. He might have to get the start on the east coast road swing so Look for that. But he's a stud one other quick note to on that for League trade off from the Calgary side that opens up four point three million in cap space for them so if they're looking to add someone at the deadline then they have a little more cash to do so also we got a couple of guests and other another episode where we have to guess. Foyer I stopped. We're going to bring up one of the toughest to ever do it tie Domi. 'cause he played for the Rangers play for the jets had quite a few fights one most of them and also another tough cookie in her own right our own CEO. Eric Dini business. It sat down with her when we were down headquarters about a month shown picked her brain a little bit. So we'll be bringing both those folks on what you want a little bit now. Where was not there for the tie? Domi interview unfortunately unfortunately because yet NHL network that night. I missed that one. Yeah so you always bring a different element and it sucks. That we couldn't have you it. It was a great sit down with with him. Good getting inside the mine of a guy who had to do it for that long Definitely some surprising answers to two in did not expect the ones that we got on certain questions. One other note it was. It was funny hearing a breakdown that entire scenario with the Philadelphia Philadelphia Flyer Fan that fell into the penalty box. He gives the entire breakdown. I didn't I didn't know about the some of you hardcore title me fans may know the story. A lot of you won't so very interesting. Hear about how all that hold. The buckle got broken down absolutely and he surely doesn't want to talk to him he doesn't look like a guy or sonic guy who's had probably a thousand fights in his life he he shirley still has his wits about him. No doubt about that Cup All the notes to Montreal made another deal as well. They sent defenceman Mike Riley to Ottawa for fifth rounder. In Twenty Twenty One and forward Andrew starts are Riley had four assists in fourteen games with the HAB so he probably won't win the move. We'll get a little bit more probably a lot more ice time in Ottawa. The twenty six-year-old. Minnesota native has one more year left after this year at one point five mill and interestingly this is the first transaction between Montreal and Ottawa since June of the two thousand one. What do you got what I it's kind of interesting? That might cry that he came out of Minnesota and people were talking about. You're going to look at a next like star Star offensive defenseman in the NHL wasn't a high pick but You know with the wild never. I never really Kinda got got into the lineup. Enough to make a difference to really produce. I don't know if he battled injuries I just it was surprising to kind of see where it's gone. Because he could skate. He could move and come out of College College. I heard so much and You know you see get traded a couple of times and that's when you start realizing you're you're not you're kind of running out of chances in a way so good luck to him but it's been a it's been a weird weird start to his career. Nothing about this guy you said. He went to school Minnesota and then and then went to the wild yen then he and then he went to the wild. I'm pretty sure he signed signed with them. He might have been traded because he wasn't drafted by them and then and then like I mean talking visit Minnesota. He was over point per game last. Yeah he was going to light it up and never will he used drafted by Columbus and then his draft rights expired in June. Two Thousand Fifteen. which made him an unrestricted free agent? which is when he signed with the wild We've got another note on the Canadians as well We mentioned last episode. How decimated their forward goal has been through injuries while they went out and they signed Ilya Kovalchuk to try? Try to help out. He signed a one year. Two way deal. That's going to pay him seven hundred K.. At the NHL Level as seventy thousand at the level. I mean he had to sit around a little bit before someone someone pick them up. What do you think this is GonNa be affected this one busy? You're going to have any real while. Act what the the main story is who ended up giving him as number with the role. That's right too. So what's his name. Could someone help me out here. Now I'm going to take right now it's a Brett kulak Brett Brett kulak genius genius move. He gets ahead of he. He knows what he was doing. What the fuck he was doing? All right so tippy your cap your new rolex so before it even gets there. He gives up the number that weight number seventeen hanging into stall when he gets there. Well what's called a chuck Underdo. Having made one hundred million in his career not get a rolex all of a sudden he gets the El Chico label and then all of a sudden Austin Matthews making fun of him on social media for being a cheapskate. Escape making jokes in the fucking podcasts about it. No he knows what he's doing so he had to fucking them Rowley. So what a play by him now it. It could've been just just to spite if I'm call chuck just to spite him I can. I'm a women's one say I know what the fuck you're doing buddy. I know what you're doing. You WanNa fucking Rolex Rolex okay buddy anyway what you did for me. No you just have a small wrist so we had to get you a female but no. That's a listen. By the way the trainer probably thirty six a nice watch Biz the trainer I went to music. Hey colds coming. So we're taking your number like the kid didn't even have say mud trainers like play. This smart you'll get something out of this. I'll make you say we're GONNA sell it. We're GONNA split the money okay. He said he settled for rock paper scissors too and then he ends up getting a rolex. What do you I mean? He would have played rock paper scissors for the number. Yeah he said he would have played rock paper scissors for the number but ends up getting a free rolex. Don't send went in there because we saw what happened in Dallas on US rock paper scissors and their fans for tickets. There is a chance in somebody brought up a good point of maybe just dropping the whole live show on Youtube. Once it's edited properly. Maybe take out some things that we don't want to deal with publicly We all know how that can go but we did a cool thing where where we did. ROCK PAPER PERSIST FOR FANS TO WIN two tickets. The game we had four sets a two and wet was just talking about his rock paper scissors game and he gets embarrassed in front of five hundred people who who who beat me again it was the thirty one and thirty one guy that guy that's going thirty one arenas and thirty one days. Yeah Dude try looking guy soul all through his eyes he'll fuck and be anyone down dudes going thirty one games thirty one day. He was disaster that it was no chance anyone as the mental aptitude to beat some psychopathic. That's a pretty cool trip all he was done us about all the arenas within thirty days I think she said it was going to be twenty nine days completely. He's doing two on two occasions aired through my rain convinced me what a throw but I so let's go back to the lecture or at hand which is Colva chicken and joining the Canadians heroes. Who Dress in a what? I know how he might get a couple of goals here and there I I understand the move the much Canadians have to try anything with injuries and their lack of scoring so I totally see what's going on. Maybe maybe he finds a little youth in Montreal but I don't I don't I think you'll see much just doesn't skate like you used to. Berge ovens like oh great. We got these injuries. Now we're GONNA play some of these young guys and see what they really got 'cause Clo- Jillian doesn't have you know really have a choice. Can you get merely over jerk really man really you want covy fine fuck it. Six points Komo playoff spot right now. So they'll need a little bit more help than that But boys what do you say we send it over to tie Domi right about now. Sounds good I was. I was pissed to miss this one so looking forward. They actually didn't want you there so it was getting Jack. I would've put his mind into Pretzel like Twenty Nine Arenas in thirty one days and with that tie Domi Our next guest is one of the most accomplished pugilist. NHL History he plied straight for sixteen seasons with three teams racking up one one thousand twenty games in an unfathomable three hundred thirty three fights and that's just the NHL third all time in penalty minutes with three thousand five hundred fifteen welcome. Welcome to the spitting chocolates podcast. The Albanian assassin tie dome. Aw about that intro impressed. I've heard that a long time broken. That was allergy nickname for quite a while. Yeah but oh my God we got so much to cover. I mean of course the fighting aspect you were actually a pretty fucking decent player too. I think a lot of people forget that as well And you know maybe some off ice accomplishments as well Let's start off. Maybe maybe with the Peterborough Pete's well. Let's that goes way back when it first day training camp a showed up with a broken hand Dan for White Bar which didn't go too well but It was what it was I had to get it fixed and so this bowl mentality polity this kind of stemmed from childhood you always a wrecking ball and I don't use the term. Maybe the shortest of the bunch. You had to fight for everything you got. Well I think it all started when I was young kid. You know we didn't know what the DYSLEXIA was back. Then but I had to get through school and You know I I was always sticking up for you. Know the guys who are the academics and the smart ones and they are the guys that everybody picked on. I was stuck up for those guys because they helped me get through school guys and girls so That was really How I got through school being dyslexic in I was an athlete toes? Usually the best best athlete in school. So I got through sports Through School and Sports and obviously protecting the academics. Or Help me get through you've tests and exams and everything are people aware you're dyslexic became known once I got turned pro. We didn't really know I was a kid right My mom would always say my son's no dummy you know they. Actually I got I got sent to You know a PLA- a school that had challenges for for kids to for learning and out there for a week and not even a week. I don't think in the principal. Call me me and said you don't belong here so I went home to my mother and father and said a place so I had to go back to you. Know the normal school and I just you know the the coaches and the principal or happy. I came back to normal school sports teams but they gave me off for for the right reasons partially fifties. They gave me fifties the one teacher in grade. Five she She wasn't very nice. She actually failed me. But you know I I ah never forget You know that feeling of failing and all your friends moving on. But that's what she that's what you can live with when you're growing up and we didn't know any better Wa- so he then you you always knew you were going to be a player and and move on college and never ever an option or see right to junior and and try to make pro. Well I it was always an option. But but was not a realistic option for me. You know. Having scholarships and football and soccer and blame it or not ahead probably you neil thirtysomethings schools and in soccer and twentysomethings schools and football as a kicker middle back here riddle backer back that can kicker and punter but never left to feel you still kick it around now. I know but I actually ended up playing for the Argos couple of exhibition games. I don't have any Stanley Cup rings but I get up bring so you're playing around the time. pinball clemens was yeah I was there with all those guys it was a it was a pretty interesting time Michael Shea. Just won the Grey Cup for Winnipeg and he was on the team the Doug Flutie. That was a pretty special time being doug flutie and he when I kick the field goals he actually held held it so it was pretty cool shit and was hockey your best sport door because we know actually hockey is my third sport. I got recruited of being. He looked at by division two division three schools and just a couple of soccer. It was all over the country and once they found out that Academics wasn't my my I strength. I I went ahead and my father will let me go to Europe to play soccer when I was sixteen so He let me go to Peterborough when I was sixteen for Training Camp A.. And Gun at two to two or three plates the first day so I made the team. Will you fight worth fighting in minor hockey all the time as well or not really usually usually sticking up from my friends growing up but I think the one time I tell people go worded it really kick in. You're right you're going to be a fighter like like wow when I was twelve years old and my brother's five years me and he was getting beat up by this guy. I saw this guy my brother just pounding away and he had wipe bleach blond hair her and I just jumped jumped on him and started wailing autumn and he was five years older than me. So after the you know the guy had bleached blond blonde hairs covered in blood make. This is pretty scary looking so I'm at home and I hear the door Bango hard at home and my mother answers the door and the father says look what your son Look what your son did to my son and my brother. My brother standing there next to my mother. He thinks it's my brother the father so I come between much smaller and I'll make I'm sorry Mr Procter Shaw and he. He's looking down at me. He's like he did that. He kicked his son in law. And I think that's really were I was kind of became became more fearless But then junior see when I was fourteen years old fighting. Nineteen twenty year olds I think the one time getting a getting a police escort Outta Waldberg. After I beat up the twenty year old captain. There was blood all too. I was just sat out of some thirty times so I think that's you know when when you're fourteen years old you can you know what I mean. How old were you very first on ice fight for it was a fourteen? Now Egos was a bank. Even below that It was probably. It was probably twelve to be honest but it wasn't really wasn't really a fight yet. Got junior. C was when you stop fighting men right and I was fearless so I fought antibody and I didn't really know any better so I was fourteen plan in eighteen thousand nine hundred and then what I was fifteen. I played junior B and had three hundred and fifty something minutes in penalties Ledley. So I I think I was kind of born a fighter. People ask me. Why did you fight so much and I always stuck up from my my friends growing up kids and you know the people who helped me get through school? That's really where it really started but I think once they start played junior. C DID IT IN JUNIOR B. I did it in junior a got his. You know Mike reach you as my son. Herman and Uh we went to which finals and we went to. We went to a Memorial Cup and I got drafted as a tough guy really but I kind of forgot what I got drafted. I actually can skate. Like second rounder. They drafted you for the whole packet. twenty-seventh Iran help people know. Tell kids that's a first rounder. I one hundred. There's only one thousand nine hundred a ways back for sure so since you were so used to fight and all these guys guys orden you like when you even when you jumped up. NHL Were you nervous at that point. Now you were going to be going at the best in the world or were you excited for that challenge. Well my first. Despite in January was against the toughest gang league name work LAFORGE. I went the coach. Talking about coaches comes in room and I'm sixteen years old and he's looking around the room he's like I don't want anybody fight. That number eighteen out there. He's looking around except one guy and I was kind of a rookie of dressing behind the door. And I'm like I'm right here. I just pop your head out. Yeah I gotta so I kinda was looking forward to you know and it's the same thing when I got to the NHL. I was looking forward to fighting Bob Robert so I was. I was a fearless kid. I was one of the few guys that Like doing it so take me through Game Day though you wake up as day progresses in before your pre game nap. You're are you at when Game Day's when I was early in single or when I was married in y bogus even early on I mean take me through the whole career early on. Would you be getting as nervous as some guys do. Well I never really got nervous Actually it was too small to get nervous. Always had to be calm and in control it was too small right. Everybody was twice my size. Usually most of the time so but I knew I can hurt him through both hands and a lot of guys got to know the no butterflies whatsoever right before you drop the gloves with with Bob. Probert Mill Jesus Christ now no not not not too many guys have that your your Orlando. It's the truth screws loose screws loose. I just you know I I love the play the game and you know I could've played other sports and I wanted to be a hockey player being Canadian kid and that was my dream. You know. That's how I got there. And my my toughness toughness company. They're legitimate. I can sit here and stare at you guys and tell you I made it because because of my fighting then I you know I got more room than I became a better player. I could play junior but people forgot that I could play junior so I had to kind of reestablish myself as a hockey player your best years were were with Toronto later in your career as far as offensive numbers law that was Pat Burns doing He challenged me to to Condition myself better be a better player practice hard and he said if you practice hard for for me I'll make you a better player and you plan a place for me. And he did and I ended up playing with Sunday and and Gilmour in the playoffs Chicago. Interesting Stat about you is is you. It had the second most Maples playoff games ever correct. Why after George Armstrong? So that's that's third all time which you know is a is something that You know you take a lot of pride and plant a lot of playoff games. We had great goaltenders Eddie Belford Curtis Joseph. So I tell my son now now in Montreal. You've got carry price. Make it to the playoffs. You never know what can happen. So that's just You know that was a blessing playing in Toronto and my hometown and the Madison Dean. Obviously who is the guy who who made it up and he was the guy we never really had that second guy so Matson Margulis Kinda usually did it but it is a tough guy and playoffs. She get the just play. You don't have to think about fighting. And every game I played over thousand games ahead the dress every game thinking you might have to fight no matter what so. It was almost a distraction mentally. Feel more comfortable playoffs like you just had to like really told you small so I had to really really focused right. And guys are big Meyer. They were they were often. They're mean the naked flight. You know I'm not saying guys can't fight now. I don't think that they know how to fight as well and I don't don't think they really they don't really fight to hurt you. You know nowadays. It's Kinda just be lucky to see a hit nowadays is didn't have youtube where you watching though the vhs studying guys and stuff. I know but you know being dyslexic. I was one of those guys that you know visually. When you see something you you remember and so I always knew what guy the guys spot and what hand through so that was kind of You know the photographic very interesting you run it through a couple of times of the day and and that was. That was the thing that I really had to do. was I had to outsmart everybody when I fought him because there are twice my size and I had to and you know guys used to stand there and throw toe to toe and I said there's no way I can I can you know Sustain this in in last in the NHL have to change and actually did change the way Guys do fight. You know I'm not GonNa sit there and take punches that stupid you know so well I mean even you were pretty hard core. I was talking to Cam Janssen the other day. And we're like man my people bolt. We're Kinda the last of the fighters people think we're like these tough guys. We didn't fuck and do it like the guys before us. Those guys you guys even guys before you they they would just stand in the pocket before me and when I you know I was just too small to stand there and go toe to toe and I tried that a few times and you know it was like Yeah No. I'm not going to keep doing this so I I actually changed. And it was a blessing plane with Joko show. When I was young he came to New York and he threw he threw the right bomb? I'm an Thrilled both hands and you throw hard. He said you know you your hands looking like this. He said don't waste punches. And take the helmet off. So I literally literally started getting in and taking guys helmets off then throwing bombs you know it was all about the grip but always about the stance always being calm and I was telling you people say how did you do you. You always look calm. which was crazy? It's a quote Unquote Act or not. I think when people get mad date they they overreact and not in control and that's not the way to fight especially in the NHL who's probably the best that it now is reeves you watch him before a fight and it's his heart rate slows down. He just very patient and calm and I hate to keep beating the fighting horse but yeah I think people want to know what the psychological aspect besides guy your size always ask me and you guys are hockey show so I don't. I don't mind doing it you know. It's you've been asking me for a long time busier a good the MAC so I'm happy to That's a whole different thing We gotta get into later later on. What what a great kid do you WanNa talk about Burns e actually? I wanted to go back to program for a second. You follow them across the street that epic brawl and he gives the old you know got the title title belt was data predetermined. Then you're doing that happened spontaneously. Well that was the days of the Hulk Hogan and Macho man and all that stuff and probably tells the story when when we actually actually before we fought the first time on. Let's go a macho man. Shot at the title so it was a whole. It was a whole gimmick back. Then the belt thing you know I felt that I got the better when the first one in you know he was the champ and He was always the champ so he was a he was a very very very Great special individual that I got the no after our careers. I didn't say what was your advice relationship. I got the norm after game. You know we had too much of big robbery to I times but after I got to know him and You know he was. He was like big Teddy Bear family guy and he he said to me He said and we spent some quality time together as a family guy and everything and He'd say Tie He goes. I couldn't hurt you and I said I know that's why I knew I could beat you and you know when when he said that to me I was like yeah because he hit me with his harvest and the first first one I if you watch the replay the second one. It looks like I go down at the end. We are just so tired so big right. He was but it didn't hit me to go Go down out. He couldn't hurt me right so we're just so tired at the end that fight and he was and he's a heavy guy so we just fell it yet but looks like he hit but he didn't hit me and he knew it so he admitted it and he admitted a lot of things to me but those are things I'll cherish funneled. Think I should share special things. He said the first time I met Matt You. You told me how much you hated the word Goon. I think that'd be a good conversation between won't get up right now not finishes conversations. Did you wear them. Sorry all you hate it that much. Yeah Oh while case trigger word insulted me and so did you kosher and I consider those guys. The greatest of and those guys didn't talk about fighting and those guys like that word and I didn't. I never liked talking about it and I don't like that word right. I I know you guys are. I like to stay keep things. PG I knew coming on here you guys swearing everything with your yeah but You know the PG thing I you know I I'll stick to the PG but I can say a lot of things about the g word that You know especially a lot of people that use it. I can say a lot but I won't say all you have to stick to so just upsets you. Maybe like some media and painted right. There's a lot. There's there's a lot of guys in in in in the world especially the media. Yeah there's certain guys that you have a stance on it and I actually tried this. What you're doing when I've retired with TSN and you know the guy there that's running tsn? He was running in hockey news for years and years and he was he was a guy who hated fighting the most when I took the job and I dipped my toe in the water. There you know but everything you say at. TSN They tell you what to say and they wanted me to go on national TV. Wednesday coast to coast between the double header. Game and say fighting doesn't belong hockey because someone's going to die and I'm like no I am not saying that you know how big it'll be if you say I don't give Shit I am not saying 'cause you don't believe I don't believe leave it. Are you happy with how it's decline now. It's more so just you know what reality that's the way the world's changing the world's changing as you see in the whole vert art. It's changed not just in sports but in the corporate world and and everything everything you say now and you got to be a little delicate on everything in the fighting aspect of things you know guys nice can get hurt. And but that's why I did a book you know. After way died who Wade Belak. I was very close with. He's like my little little brother for five years. You sat next to me and I always kept them involved and when I retired it was a it was a tough thing to to see the whole situation evolve with him and I didn't go back to the center when I retired at all and I actually happened to go to one game. I think it was the year after I retired by engle for a long time and when I walked in coming up the stairs in Iran in Wade Belak Swipe Gin and she goes to tie. Can you please go talk to wade. He's struggling he's a tough time. Make sure no problem. So I go in there after the first period and He's in there working out. He's not playing and he went through speaking of Camp Janssen's is he hit. Thomas Cabriolet right way. Didn't play for like fifteen games or something and Cam Johnson. In New Jersey Hits Thomas Honest Cavalier play for Hamad Games. Don't call me on ten or fifteen games. He doesn't play until they play Jersey again. He plays he goes Jose. Cam Johnson fights them and back out again. It doesn't you know what I mean. So he was like spiraling really quick and he was. You know that can have really hit home because after what happened to him In in pro be dying and a lot of tough stretch. They're all the guys to brotherhood. That kind of did it and I did it. The most and I'm like you when I retired went through tough times financially and stuff and I could have done a book and I said no said Noah said kept saying no they simply had the most bites. You GotTa do a book as I'm not doing it already not ready. I'm not ready. I could've done a book and when I was you know tough times and no so I held out I held held out and finally I just had enough. Let's let's do this and I. I WanNa shine a positive light on on the job I did hidden. Well we all did and that was because I protect my teammates and Simon Schuster tried to make it all about fighting in hockey and hockey. And that's not why I did the book I actually did the Book Book. You know protected the people in Chapter Eleven capturing take the chapter chapter eleven out and that was you know the waiters the shoeshine guys that. TSA guys those type. Everyday people waiters bartenders. I tried to stick up for those people because I think the new world has changed so much in You know how I was brought up with my father and everybody else. That's our age kind of you know treat people. I want to be treated old school values and that's why I did it all those guys at died and so so I tried to shine a positive light on on fighting and ended up being you know number one best seller in Canada in five weeks in a row in Canada's pretty good for you know a guy that just a so called fighter that So I even those writers that Cup fighting and everything else you know. I'm not a raider. Their writers and none of them have ever had a number one bestseller and five weeks real. So I see I got a lot. Let me tell you. Though it's it's it's a tiring thing during a book and doing a tour and going to sell you. Probably you probably read all these stories or or or talk to them with whoever's helping with it and then I imagine imagine you gotTa Trim some of it out at some point because you're like maybe this would upset this law. You know I'm dyslexic. Right so listen to it and of course ended up going on a trip to Italy And and I kept saying no. I walked away because they kept taking chapter. Eleven out crazy enough right. Try to make hockey hockey fighting fighting. I was like that's not. I'm doing a book right. I wanted to do to treat people and be treated old school values. Some life lessons. I learned going through tough and treat people treat dedicated to my father and So that's at the end of the day and I could tell anybody that's going to do a book. Make sure you have every single line every single page and your contract that you get foul sake horse. Yeah that's how I did eh but we gotta go back. To the Toronto days you mentioned Pat Burns and Chuck Gomez was talking about him and just how stern he was and how he demanded the best from his his players. He was kind of a scary guy. Yeah he I was playing in Winnipeg and I was lined up in front of the bench in Toronto and I heard someone. I'm from the Toronto Ben so hey I might turn around and it burns because no I'm serious tie. I'd love to have him right side so no tampering so a week or ten days later I ended up getting a phone call from traded to Toronto and it was Pat Byrne. I told you I wanted you so You know we kind got to hit it off like right away and what. I got the Toronto He said I'm going to make you the player. Just you know this. And this and this and he was a special special coach I thank him and Pat. I was very blessed to have him in. Pat Quinn is my coaches and the one funny story was in In Chicago will we have little five on five brawl and He coach Chris. Chelios some Montreal and that was his favorite player all time so we have five on five. And Shelley's the only one that's not you know everybody else's line you know paired up with someone and so it's Celli. I grabbed shelley. And right I gotta I jellies Jelly. He said I don't know so I just kind of let them go. Let them go let them go all right. Let after the period Pat Burns. You had them at the tip of your fingers. What did you do you let them off the hook? No I didn't say anything right in front of the whole team. And he was like he's going to dip your fingers you had them. He talks like he's God was at the Chicago Blackhawks. Saudi we fly back to Toronto and trainers say Pat. Want want you in office. So I walk in there. And he's got Mr Briefs on nothing else quite the site but he stands up and AH I'M GONNA blast me any. He says Kamerhe I walk over his cutted Mr Bruce he goes. I love you man gave you hockey. I'm so sorry about that. He goes you showed him respect. Yeah for sure you know you know that was very respectful you and I love him You know that was very very nice. I'm very sorry for snapping on you so that was kind of bond that we had in that was when I got kicked in that you know this guy is pretty cool. What did he seeing you you that maybe you didn't see in yourself and we help develop your game? What what were the areas? Where he's I think you can get better here? I I see it in junior right okay. Let's play in topline with Mike Ricci so I think he he thought I can do that. NHL and You know he he did. He actually live by his word. In the playoffs. I played with sunshine and Gilmore in a line which was pretty cool. And you know that's where I kind of got my compass like a plane. NHL as a regular in the playoffs and so that was like ninety four right so so that was kind of where you wheeled around with these guys off the ice. Who's your who's your body right? It's not ours not snapchat. The Matt obviously like brother. We're tied at the HIP. We sat next feature the bus. The plane breakfast dinner. You know all that he was a shy guy quiet guy so he liked being around me because I was like I track the people go out while I was the one who kind of you know. Always took care things for us and t-ball slotting same thing and Winnipeg. It was the same thing and I was blessed to play team. Oh and when he scored seventy six that year. That was fun year to protect him while. Yeah that's right. You were there for his rookie season. I I'm not GonNa go to the hall of fame but I'm GONNA hold fame for assistant on his record breaking goal off fuck off. That's unbelievable I saw we keep it. PG B.'s Massari. Does if your daughter wants this no my my niece and nephew. I'm sorry I'm sorry. We're going to add corral. He's GonNa edit all swear words from this interview my apologies. I forgot where I was is team. USA Lonnie so Guy Special Guy. When when he went up to give his hall of fame speech he had written down in it? But you know when you get up there in the nerve start kicking in any actually forgot to mention you and then you're you know. Oh He's like oh I'm so sorry and he was like showing perils. Yeah to tell a story. Yeah so he mentions a bunch of people and You know you so you get two tickets right like two two tickets to give to people and plus your wife and you don't get tickets when you're going on fame I know 'cause Mareo and masses so so I've been there with those guys and so but he had you know as the tickets he gave for Peres and you forgot talked about it. But it doesn't matter. He showed us after he showed us the speech and he had us in there. So but Georgia Anson Foam with that. Yeah he probably had to buy a few rounds after that. Yeah Yeah it was good. He teams more one of the best teammates around him and Matt's obviously memorials in New York. Protecting Messier was it was a special like he taught me how to be a real pro and I was. I was blessed to play with Mesh and for sure. Ty said you couldn't be hurt. Did you ever have issues when you played like you hear about players having depression and those types of things did that affect you when you play. I'm just wondering you did. You wouldn't get hurt so did you have those same issues at all like you know. Go Down Dansko depression or anything like that while you know. I don't really think about that stuff you know a lot of talk about it As a lot of guys that Kind of been in the business. And what we've done but I try help a lot of those guys quietly and I don't imagine names but a lot over the years since I retired allows guys come up to me or respect me and I just try to be positive and at every day and they'd life's too short and long as you're trying to be positive every day and make a difference and that's kind of what ideal I try to stay busy. That's that's for sure. was Was Doug Gilmour their leader in that locker room when he was there yeah he was but he wasn't there long right because Matt's came right and insult they brought me in when they traded one formats. They brought me and protect Matson. That's a bird you said you take this big sweet. He could he. He's a difference maker Burns he brought me in to protect mats and had doug ended up After that year that first year. We're Matt Samarra with them. He ended up going on moving on but dougy was Doug made a big impact in Toronto and He's a great guy. Great teammate We got to play a window to window. Came back a couple of times so I you got to be friends with all those guys for years and I'm still friends with all those guys and you know the hockey the hockey guys once. You're friends with them and you see them. It's it's like old times. They pick up rate for your left off. It's pretty cool okay. Bill Light of this time. I WanNa talk about the situation Philadelphia with the Guy Falling into the penalty box squirt bottle take us through that whole story. I don't a lot of listens of familiar with it. Well you know Philly. I still play in there. I really did the fans. They love me but they hated needed. Me I still get fan mail from flyers we miss the Games aren't the same anymore but I you know I was getting beer poured on me and a AH. I got a lighter thrown at me and I turned around and I saw this guy you know and so I think John Leclair was another box. Johnny what mccullers. Your power over. There is a blue skin blue power eight. So I'm like I'm going to make this got a white shirt or whatever you want to make stain on his shirt so I start porn. The gator Porna- gatorade on him. You know the the blue stuff and any glasses really low. I was actually there to watch my son this year. The glasses high roof now. But it's pretty funny but it was shorter than the glasses like not too high and he kind of fell through. And you know. I thought I didn't think that's what's going to happen. But then he started punching Kevin Collins and Kevin. I'm pretty pretty close with linesmen and the referees. One when you're tough guys you're close with those guys and Kevin Collins one of my one of my boys you know so. Let's let's see once. I seen him throw a punch at cabinet. I stood. I gave them a couple jackhammers but he was a nice guy and the whole thing happened and I you know he was suing meave. Leave soon get the fuck Outta here the flyers you've soon comcast you soon. NHL You soon. Everybody and so. I'm like Oh my God. Let's go on. And every time hued lose he would appeal it. What's costing me it's cost 'cause I'm paying for had to hire pencil counts out of Pennsylvania to right so hire here the best lawyers in Pennsylvania and I'm paying the lease so how much running ya a lot? A lot haters. Get the hell out here. Oh Aw God I would assume the. I'll take the headline how it all ended so I'm getting fed up because it was appealing. His cousins is just doing it. His cousin apparently was a lawyer. And he's a really good tallies you know he was a bricklayer. Apparently he's a really cool guy and his name was Falcon Chris Pine Cone. So I I say to the lawyers. I meet a morning skate in Philly. At the four seasons there's four of them. I'll make guys how much. How much is this breakfast? Cost me I said you kidding me. We have to get this thing done like what's going on like negative lawn not Thailand. I would do that the forum so it's just cost me so I said give me the guy's phone. I want to call them. I want to talk to him. I want to see him like no no no. We can't get me his phone. Oh number please. I want to call them so finally they got me the guy's phone and I call them on the way the game with a couple of games left and we were playing the flyers in the playoffs. Okay first round. So it's second last game so I said get me associate on the way the game I call them. And I said Vulcan. It's tie Domi. He goes hoot. Don't screw around me Mandela. Who is not tie Domi here? Take my number fours. Fours number at the time was four one. Six four zero seven Domi right three six six four three. I used every number for three three six export Domi right. That was my. That's my surprise I'm GonNa Hang Up. I'm going to hang up calling me back. I hang up. He calls back. I told you man. Are you going to gain tonight at. Yeah yeah he's quiet said okay this is what's GonNa happen will do this low key but I'm going to have security already. Come bring it to room you and I are GonNa meet. I just WanNa talk to you face to face and he said okay okay. I said You promise he because Yeah Games over right away I take my stuff off real quick and I golder. 'cause I wanted to anybody came. I don't want anybody around. We're going this room and he comes in and he's like he thinks that I'm GonNa WanNa fight him or something right and I'm like hey man and I just shook his hand and hugged him. I said Hey I'm I'm a good guy just like you. I said you got wife and kids and he says yeah and I said well. We'll tell you what I said. We're playing the leafs in the first round. But if I fly you and your family to Toronto pushy up and gave me two tickets give you four tickets and You know we call it a day. We'll get the you know. And he's like yeah. Yeah I said Yeah you might WanNa come to trump. He's okay sugar and I told him I said just don't do don't tell the meteorite anyway. I it's all done. I had him signed off everybody so I got comcast off I got the flyers off I got NHL off. I got everybody off. He signed signed off on everything and he came to trotto. God bless the guy he's doing interviews in a God under and all of a sudden it was. Okay that's that's that's it's a real story how it all happened in you know it was You know people still talk about it everywhere. We were the guy the guy that fought the fan in Philly. So you know that's the a real story and that's how it ended and I had ended myself no lawyers so to say funny. What happens when you take the lawyers right out of it Yeah Warriors Man. Oh man they create more problems. Those guys are there any guys that I retired that you're not on friendly terms of it all from back in the day or was that stuff all these left on the ice. No it's left on the ice and the guys the literally really that That I failed against and fought against. I think I have more respect for than anybody because I know tough it was to do on a daily. Oh basis and Anytime I see or hear from any of those guys. It's always great to talk to them and you know. See what they're doing and stuff I I really The hockey fraternity is something. That's pretty cool and The people that That no you know you see that You know you haven't changed. And that's the whole thing is you. You still go at it. With Jackson stuff is fun. We kind of glanced over your New York days What do you remember most about playing in the Big Apple? Those were uh-huh probably the funnest times I had you know was regan after it a little bit single and you know going going to go into China Club which after studio fifty four and then China became kind of the place to go and after the fights I I became. AM kind of King of the club celebrity and New York at a young age. So that was Kinda cool. And then you know that Sally became buddies of Mario and and Waldberg from that blaze from China Club. Mark was they're going as Marky mark in any became the Calvin Klein model and so I got to know him pretty well. We're still your friends. You got a bunch of celebrity buddies. Jay Z's one of your buddies. Why he's he's through a-rod eras birthday when all the Yankees are throwing everybody in the pool? Jay Z had a box of cigars in hand the whole time and anytime anybody tried to throw him in. He'd come over me and his army me so that you're protected party. We're the only day rod says the only dry ones at the other night but Aj Brunette was on the team for the Blue Jays and he told everybody. Don't Piss Sky off campus guy so everytime G. C. J. Z.. Would just come. What was he like? was that Jay Z.. As in Guy Maze. You've actually played basketball night as actually really good basketball player. It was pretty impressive. He was going at a pretty hardly. They're getting into basketball games. If you're trying to get him to play soccer bring back. Oh you're you're old skills well that that was my number one sport. Actually you know people laugh you so I was actually a goal score the two. That was my sport now. The guy you had a few dances what was rob. Ray was just some chemistry thing. When anytime you on the issues when added well I I think you know I chase them around junior our whole careers and junior? He never fought. It was actually a decent player. Junior and Buffalo Awful Toronto was always the big deal. We've got a documentary coming out that they're going to air correct. Yeah it's on it and it's actually I The people posted on. Oh my instagram. Last night people were going nuts. I mean obviously there you should check it out. Check it out by the trailer. I watched four and it looks like meters data to the Andrew. Peters is I thought it was more interesting than a top gun to trailing right Laura Edge repeaters. You know him at all yeah. He's hilarious. Always wanted he. He does radio there in Buffalo as well. He was a tough customer. He had the instigators. You get a couple of good goes against Ray emery or at least one then I can remember. Remember that fights tough. He always tells people he beat me up a compe- seriously. Okay like I love you. He goes he told Max he goes. Beat your dad up at beat your dad up but he just loves it. He loves loves. The church robbery obviously did a good job of transitioning into media. You said You'd briefly like did it. Just not really interested after the first experience. Well You know if I do it and I might do it. it's GonNa be you know. Be Normal and being real right. I don't need someone telling me well. You know what to say or what to do and you know I'm I'm not that type of guy never have been a player or in life so If I do something which you know the opportunities have come quite a bit And I've always said no because I want Max to get the spotlight and his life and his career. Now he's played five years so no. I'm just starting to consider a little bit. But there's been a lot of cannabis companies a lot of whiskey companies and stuff just like you busy and I'm just trying to keep a hustler just trying to keep up go ahead and other till you a scratched. One time in you stayed at the hotel told second period of the game is that true. Is that a true story or is that was. I think it made it burns. You scratch your show pissed off healthy scratch you stated throughout hotel. You're giving wasn't when Pat Burns. I'll never scratch your pat burns. Okay I know that was that was that was the Montreal. I was Scratch healthy scratch. Actually John Ferguson. Junior yes me about people who do I dislike and hockey. He's probably the guy that I don't have any time for it all. He actually singlehandedly. Ruined the Toronto Maple leafs for many many years really. Yeah he's he's the guy for sure so he's the guy like what just make he had it out for me from the day took the job and trial. I don't know why but You know I think he found out that was kind of glue that team and what he read me in the and Matt's was the most pissed off guy you know when when they got into me so they missed the playoffs. I don't know like ten years after I left. So that's that's John Ferguson. Single Hanley he ruin that team And he put that team back many many years but That's the one guy that probably going back to your question earlier. I'm your super protective of Max an unbelievable kid which I don't blame you man. You love your kid to the death. How how long did it take you to realize this kid might have what it takes to make the NHL at what age people always ask me? That question and I always say that you know ironically enough you know that brick tournament and Edmonton. It's it's all the time I wasn't good enough. Kids top kids in North America. It's talk kids and North American out of Quebec it's called the brick term. Oh It's out of Quebec okay. I think Abington so before Quebec major he returned back as twelve okay. in Notre teams play turned by the ways he didn't get the plan that but the but the brick term Edmonton and my friend. Bill calm reaction started When you know Mike was Young? Oh that's okay that's some connection so it's the top kids in North America and Max actually led that termine scoring and and I remember bill. Show me a list of all the guys who played in that tournament and they were all the top scores in that tournament. We're all in the NHL at ten years old. I'm like holy smokes. That's that it's serious and Max was the leader Doc. Up years ago that all time leading scorer that term since he you know and when he was ten right so you knew that that was kind of you know he's a gifted the kid and he actually led determined scoring scorn one gold and the rest role assist so he still has a problem. Shoot new pocket but He always past past past past. He's always been the kid because he's always likes to please everybody in past Bass Bass and when when it counts. He starts to shoot and last year he shot and he started shoot again so hopefully he keeps you as an an old school guy. Do you ever get frustrated watching today's game when a dirty hit happens and nobody sticks up for the teammate. As best really in trouble yeah but You know my son You know watching my son play junior being the league school goalscoring having guys trying to hurt him without. That wasn't too who used to be be watching as a father you ask and being a father watching by fortunately for Max you can stick up for himself though but unfortunately when when you're leading score the team you're right you don't want to know why they're trying to get him off the ice they're trying to piss him off and so that's that was the toughest part as a father watching that transition -sition in the game because you know when I play junior. I protect the Mike Ricci when I turned pro I protect all the guys. Were leaving scores so my son didn't have the benefit of of having that so unfortunately he has the my DNA and you know we're GonNa get him the control of the more. I think getting better at it and I think he understands it. It really doesn't affect the game much anymore. Just it doesn't and you just got to keep your head up and be alert and I think a lot of injuries happen by accident because there's no no Red Line and guys are just flying and getting hit by accident or you know obviously Guys aren't protect themselves. You can't just go into the boards and turn your back and not expect to get hit. You got to protect yourself so I think there's a lot a lot to do with accountability and when we played we made guys accountability and accountable for what they're doing and I think the League wanted to take kind of that out of the game and they they're trying to really police the game and I think I think the way we did it. I think it made a league is a little more reluctant little more hesitant to do things and I think they. They knew if they hit somebody that I was coming in the probes coming and like they just knew. And now there's no more Calvin and that way you might get a suspension or a fine but it's not really you know it was at the turn on the other team just isn't there. Yeah Yeah So. It's a little different right. What do you make of all this This instagram and social media stuff. And how oh Max Max has done capitalizing off. And he's working with brands. He's doing the thing with the type. One diabetes I try and actually take him take some takes some pressure off him because You know he has so much demand especially with in the type one world and which is great what he does for kids and that's really why he wrote. The book is because everywhere he goes the league you saw yourself. You know there's type one families wait all over the country form North America and There was more he would get thirty seconds or a minute. Because you know you've done you gotta get on a plane and he didn't get to spend that quality time with people to help them but he would he. How he does is just amazing? Because I I get emotional just talking about it but he wrote that book to actually tell you know life experiences that he's gone gone through and help not only kids but families to to deal with because it is a real thing day it's There's no question and you've got to be on top that and it's manageable and just going to be on top You know instead I wanted to bring up was the L. Samuelson Punch as a Boston Fan. Louis liked it. So what precipitated that event between you and him well you know. It's one of those so long ago but he called me dummy times. My Dad died the year before so I took dozen salt when someone called me tied dummy dummy instead of domiant took insult my dad's any set it a few times and I said if you say again go knock you out and ended up knocking amount games you get for our Eight actually that was burkey. So you know that's why I like Burkey because he let me off the hook. I think eight Games was pretty fair because I did not come cool. We're GONNA talk about your relationship with Mario Lemieux and how how did that all start. Everybody always ask asset question to. He actually told that my My Birthday party which was quite Iran. M saying anything you know kind of you you know. It's like pulling teeth right but he actually told her story and I was skating around. I'm hugh skate around warm up at Madison Square Garden. He was Marilyn Meal ninety-one ninety-two MVP. Ian Stanley Cup and everything had long hair and I heard him say something. And I'm like what I'm stretched at center ice got my foot over the read. My staring down Jay Caufield and what did you say it. He's lied. He kept skating around. He's laughing and he comes back to center ice. He does a circle ORKLA center and unlike against port. I'm stretching down on the ice a comes over. And you know he he saw Tali Tali Benz over. And I'm just ready to CEOS and he says no tie seriously. Can you get me in ten of my teammates in China club tonight. And I'm like yeah it's Marilyn Miller so Anyway goes on and ends up scoring four goals. Get Out of here. Yeah and the right. The China China Club Games over and everything and win a closed-door meeting. I still got my pants and my skates on but I got my staff often. We ten minute meeting whatever and then a meeting that ten ten fifteen minutes at least and then the media comes in like you know like a bunch of cattle coming in and then the security guy says tyrone in Maryland USA the door I'm like what is Maryland music or so. I walked my skates on straps. He was hair Gel and everything with tie on suit and everything already showery must have had one of those showers. They just walk through a period practice. Shut it down to set. You just embarrassed this but you know I said go call over any go. He's you gotta come come drink right. I don't know you just kind of embarrassed anyway. I ended up going and hit it off their friends. Ever since and Best Buddy sends basically part owner of the Pittsburgh Penguins. I see in the owner's box when he was winning well when he actually went through tough times when he's GonNa lose a team that was a that was a difficult time a and B.. I was actually with them. When you know that whole thing happened when they got cross but yet the lottery and crosby was it was quite a surreal moment? What was what was the reaction action? When I heard the news? What did he say fuck? We just got crossed. He's still has the ice packs on his cheek seven but it changed. You know changed changed lead but it can happen to a better person family now like my brother so chill I like my sister. You know so. I'm very close with the family and the kids in the special family. There you know be best buddies forever on the PODCAST. When he got a dog and Mara had to clean up shit because it took a dump? We're up in his living room. Something somewhere that somebody gets home and Mario lemieux cleanup is dog. Shit well story. I got my hip surgery and Pittsburgh and Mariel pick me up at the hospital and I stayed in his guest room in Pittsburgh and you know I was sick I was getting sick. Throwing up is walking into it holding me up on is thrown up. Is this while you're playing. Yeah Yeah Yeah what else playing. So he you know uses and he's a real guy and I'm one of the few that are pretty blessed to be very close. My brother and Natalie's is the same. That's all social people you you fall out the game on a day-to-day basis. KEEP TABS on every game every school like legit fan or no I try I try I you know I love. I love watching hockey obviously and But I try you know we all we all got busy lives and do a lot of different things but I try and watch most much all Canadians Games. And Obviously Watch my friends teams. In last night I watched Arizona after much. Your game and Taylor Hall you know making that play on the winning goals you know. That's why traits happen is makes it thinks curious and they're in first place awesome so happy for talk in Arizona because the you know the they've been suffering for a long time out there anything else you want to any any other stores you WANNA in a share before we wrap this thing up. I mean we've taken enough of your time your incredible diving deep into the psychological aspect of the fighting any other source source mortimer. No I love your honesty. decided out of control at the end of the day. Dave we ourselves right keep it real and I think what's What's most important? Is You know one people treat you with respect to you know give back in. I have always been that way and busy. been always very respectful. And why wouldn't trust because he'd fucking feed me my lunch either way but you always been pretty funny this. I always look looks. Aren't everything We actually forgot to ask you about Eric Guide. And how how you became so close with our CEO. Now you're kind of training and turning into this hockey player Erica. She's a let me tell you like you talk about female leaders and CEO's and when I first met her. I was very impressed with her. How she came across and she's very straight for? What like very clear and straightforward and? She said I think she said is. I'm I just started hockey and I love it and I said you love it and she said Yeah I love what can you tell me I said. Just keep if if you love it just keep eappen join it and she kept me messages that this is what I did today. This is what I did say this one doing. She's better than me now. She escaped backwards better than me backwards and that she made this sweater that Said Tie Domi is my spirit. Animal Sweatshirt people start asked me how. How can I get those sweatshirts? Barstool sports Sports or so. I told her Eric I want these. I'll make them but you you know it's great to see someone so passionate about the game in the she's really loving hockey and and that's what I said like You know what's going on with the women's hockey. I think it you say you know what what I'd like to talk about. That's one thing I think is is really needs push is woman's hockey because we want we want girls growing up to have some kind of inspiration to to say. I can play pro hockey and just like a lot of these girls that have done it. And they're the hall of fame and to take that away from I think is is just a shame I think the NHL any NHLPA really have to get involved so you think they need to the buck up and think of a structure where they can even if it's at a loss for a few years to get it going one hundred percent and all the markets that make money you you know in hockey. I think we could pick six of the top Big moneymakers and good franchise even if it's original six right right. Let these girls have something. Because they're fifty percent the fans out there they're fifty percents of pay in the salaries out there right. So you gotta give them something and and I think that's something where I think you know the NHL have a lot of differences and I you know I've been living in this game for a long time. And you know everybody pays her dues and you know what you get when you retire from the NHLPA Y- you still gotta Pay Your Health Insurance. I think that's one thing that the NHLPA OPA has to do is take a player's forever. The plate over two hundred games and there's twelve hundred guys. I two zero two so I'm definitely down with that. It's only twelve hundred guys living having the plate right. Yeah twelve hundred guys. It's it's actually crazy the amount of players that have played in the NHL people think it's such a high number twelve hundred twelve hundred play. Two hundred games at that are living that are living. Yeah I think it's it's it's under like five thousand players all designed twelve hundred t t today so you know the MBA has healthcare forever so well think about it. You're paying dues for what I paid. I played seventeen years and after that I gotTA pay thirty five forty thousand expensive a year for healthcare. You GotTa do something so if if you're not taking care of girl taking care women's hockey and you're not taking care of your players after careers. What are you doing so NHLPA has to really kind of? You've never argue that point I would just say it's hard to force a business to take a loss knowing that but if they could set something up in order to make a revenue extreme and and make it be able to watch the game game. Why Watch when they're usually at the Olympics alive game oh I know I've never been to alive females game I don't okay well I've been to a few go? Do yourself a favor all right and go watch a walk tonight game and I watched it. I watched them three times now. I watched it twice a month. y'All wants to trial and let me tell you. They got a lot of skill and not only skill they got a lot of heart and they leave it all out there and you know paying fans we'll go see these we'll go see these girls Women play and you think eventually a lucrative thing I'd do. Fifty percent of the crowd is is girls woman woman so like you're GonNa have interest and and what do they have right now. They don't have anything right now. They don't have anything because it's taken away from so I'm a true believer it's got it's gotta be fixed and that's on the NHLPA in the NHL to to get that right. I love it will tie thank you for joining us. you're you're a beauty congrats on a hell of a career and the record and fights three hundred thirty three. I guess never broken visit. Won't even nobody will. Scratch is the surface. I don't think anyone's GonNa get over one hundred more starting now so it's a little but you ended up. Plus I have no idea I hadn't yet the double digits I was is getting all my face beaten and the minor. Well you know but the one thing I wanted to tell you about the Pelham minutes thank you know. You're saying third all time when I started my career the tens in a game misconducts. They were eliminated. Awesome earned those minutes right. When Tiger Williams fought he would get to five ten at a game so he got twenty seven minutes every time he would get in a fight at the end of the game? He just did it. He did it all time so people ask me. How did Tiger Williams have so much So many more payments. But you don't tens game conroy. Contacts are tend to get the other to Tan right because it can be Kinda came side but I get what you're saying so it's twenty seven minutes twenty seven minutes so you get ten and you get a game. So that's twenty minutes. Jesus Christ you get five and you get two for instigate five ten in the game. That's twenty seven minutes every time and if you look up the stats. How many times that you probably should have got a lot of tens pens in your day tie so once again? Thank you again. wits back thanks guys time. What happened a wet He had to go to. NHL Network tonight. Oh Yeah Yeah and we couldn't pass you up dude. I Don I will all right. Thanks big MACs. The Tie Domi join US headquarters. Last month really really enjoyed talking to him. I watched them punch a lot of faces growing up. So it's pretty wild to sit there next next to me. He does get a fucking squash on top of that but a lot of a lot of fun chat with him. This is great Quick Note Sheldon Keefe won fifteen out of his first twenty games as a maple leafs coach. She's the first maple leafs coach to ever do that. beliefs currently have a ten game point streak longest almost fourteen years so leaks making a move to the playoffs. Sarah Westwood Doug Yeah they are. They're on a complete. They've met on a run like that's since Oh five or six I think And you know you talk about Matthew's he's having an MVP type season he's awesome but you gotta look to depth guys in what's changed since Keeps taking over and look at the Pierre Angle. I don't know if I'm saying his name correctly adds a ton of speed To the you you know the bottom sex. He has six goals in twenty one games. So Ev you check out his hockey EP picture. If there's women listing and you look you might start rubbing yourselves because he's frigging hats shed shit is hairs on unreal in this picture. I'm looking at don't know anything else about him. So good for him and good for the leafs deal to bring in some guys you haven't heard in years past that are like I said bringing some new blood to that team I. I'm an address. One thing and some people might be like now. Things are going great. They don't need it. They need a little bit of toughness. They need to add somebody on that roster for when if they do in fact get matched up against Boston again they they need somebody able to push back. How Good Josh Anderson B. on the leafs? Wow Yeah I mean I'm just thinking guys. That would just be like perfect for them Powell. Right Lord's second one. I'm just telling my brain's just working. Oh now it'd be an unbelievable fit now. I haven't really researched it. Who would be a guy who's available coming up here maybe identities contract who who could play a limited role to add that type of toughness? Simmons signed a one year deal. Wow that's a that's a great dot right off the top of your head. He might be slowing down a little bit and some people might role there. I'm uh I'M GONNA say another name I'm I'm describing my guy I'm trying to call me a fucking idiot okay. He may be a little bit but he does have experience gets he can for today's standards. He's very tough. He always brings a physical play. He knows exactly what his role is. Kyle Clifford he's comfortable with Jake Muhsin as in you can slide right into that locker room. I don't know that's just a name. It he may be an in and out of the lineup guy. At that point some people might think fucking in crazy. Wayne Simmons obviously a lot better option for to add some type of offensive ability in front of the net on. But yeah people shoot me messages ages a candidates that you think if if you do think that they need to address that situation But overall you said Matthews on pace for over fifty goals James CBS myrtle. Lets US know after every game. Show with the myrtle but they got a lot of good things going right now maybe also adding a competent backup goaltender. That could be another thing that they need to just address but a lot of good things happening and leaf land in congrats to Sheldon Keefe. He's definitely going to be if he keeps. This course pay recourse of Pace Path. Of course helped me out your tap me in somebody I will. I I want to defend Hodgson. We've given them some shit that's three wins in a row for him. Her first shuttle cars actually last night so at least at least I know what you're saying but at least the last three man he's he's picked it up okay. Things are things are going very well to see whether it's a little bit resistance and things aren't if he can still step up. Uh I was talking about Keith and I got lost in the fucking word salad but I was thrown out. But he's he's going to be like a Baru Bay type where if they keep going like this he he might be up for coach of the year. See what happens Biz Somebody with somebody double dip it on the thousand game bonus here something you wanted to bring up a what business Busy this started puking everywhere right all over restaurants crazy well Dallas Center video the walk in and that That got me a little ill and take some gravel and just thinking about all those young guys in the Dallas Locker Room still on Angela contracts in this motherfucker comes over here nine hundred and fifty or sixty games in to his career and I got a fucking sack and pay now. They end up getting a nice trip. The whole family is going to Ireland Orland or was it Scotland for a golf vacation. PAVILION GONNA go shoot under par at haunt dreams. But then I hear we're going to also say this I want to lobby for in the next. CBA where if that situation happens the team where he played over nine hundred games names for is on on the hook for the for the gift well by ended up here in that the San Jose Sharks also got him a rolex. Joe Pavelski Hausky talk about being. Well liked handsome. Beautiful families good at every sports. A millions and millions in the bank trip to Scotland Golden League big old white probably got a cock down on his knees alrighty. Then Oh gosh really do have it. All prior to January first of this year that only been eleven any jealous who had played in four. What decades well you can add three names to that list as Sodano Jarrah? Patrick Milo and Jumbo Joe Thornton of all played now and four decades. That's pretty insane when you think about it man. That's I mean the the start of the first decade. There was no internet right early. Nineties was their Internet. Actually yeah technically. There was no like wasn't commonplaces but either way impressive has held. I mean before that Gordy Howe. George Armstrong Cabrel. Bobby Hull REBAC. Mark Messy ride brindamour. Chris Chelios Mike Madonna. Mock recommend you Schneider. Those raw the guys who played in four decades actually gordy outplayed didn't five decades and now big jumbo Joe Patty Milo and big Z joining that Croak predicts -clusive company and hazy like we talk about what people around here don't complain about because sometimes he is a little slow and he's GonNa get burnt on occasion with all. These young guys burn speed up the WAZOO. But he's still pretty fucking effective out that no sticks the length length of his own. I mean how is he not going to be effective and he'll beat the piss out anyone if he wants to. You know I saw that. He's a bubble hockey player. He stays in the exact is. He's a bubble hockey defense with he stays exactly is lying. You know exactly what you're getting. Every night he blocked shots touched the top of the bubble. Fuck people thinking. That was an insult. I don't need fucking that Newton. Come after me yeah. You definitely don't want that happening. Hey that's a long time. 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You get your first month of swipes for just five dollars when you choose a monthly plant if you use the like get Roman dot com slash tickets once more. That's get Roman dot com slash chick. Let's keep that career gone Biz Do get a little bit more news before we get to a second interview a very tough break for the island they announced Defenseman Adam. Pellett has done for the season with an Achilles tendon injury and they did recall Sebastian. I know this pal. You might not be a household name but it's a huge loss for the island is. He's on that top here second in minutes. He's one of these guys who does a ton on his own zone. Where have you seen? This guy played this year. I have he has a Canon is. Here's a can unarmed picking a pool. Lock right yeah exactly. There's very similar names but pellet job yeah I don't know I haven't seen them enough to really know what he brings things but anytime you have a a defense. That's playing major minutes on a team. That's having a really good year. Especially keeping the puck out of their own their own net. They're going to miss him. So that sucks because because Achilles Oh my God have I heard the Rehab is just nightmare when they dig away when you're laying on the table. I guess it's just a very painful long. The absolute best wishes to him. That's one of my fears. I heard when you snap your Achilles you. Let's say you're running. My Buddy was planning a flag football game and it snapped apt. And he thought the guy behind the MIC kicked him in the back of the leg and he liked turnarounds. Fucker you do it. The other guy was like ten yards away as what like we talked about and then all of a sudden it rolls up into the back your knees so very nasty injury get well soon buddy out doesn't sound like much fun. Hey boys should we send it over to the boss now. What yeah all right all right nice to finally sit down with Erika's Big Fan of ours? We she helps so it a lot so I think it was long overdue that we sat down with her. So there's a strong correlation there. Erica Nardini learning how to play hockey title is helping her out. Also in the title me interview. We talked about the women's hockey and how passionate about it and how he wants to see that the you know the League be successful and Erica is also oh on the same boat and I don't even think they'd talked to each other about it. Maybe they had in the past but We're going to try to do some things as women's hockey moving forward so hopefully I enjoyed the interview. Um We're sitting here. We used to be joined by the CEO. The boss lady the Queen of Barstool Erica. Nardini came you guys need to sit down and talk to you about women's hockey. So what do you have for us. Yes well as the foremost authorities on women and hockey look at each one of you respectively on. Yeah I want to know what your opinion lead the charge. You really are busy word. The poster child for for women's and although I said when that all that ordeal was going on online about You know the fact that they weren't being paid appropriately I I. It'd be fun to own a team net. Maybe Women's League team if they could figure out the infrastructure where at least for breaking even in if not maybe you know at least You know you're losing money you're saying how do you not lose money. That's my issue. So here's my issue with women's hockey though like the pipeline for women's Hockey Awesome Youth Girls Youth hockey awesome full big pipeline. But then you say playing college fine and then what happens. So that's the issue like there's been different leagues and then one leak folded right. Yeah I wish I knew one hundred percent so I'm like going on what I kind of remember. I will say this about about women's hockey. Th you saying the infrastructure is good and it's only getting better so I think it's the fastest growing sport in the country and the US talked me in twenty years. I know that sounds insane to say but I just think it's so early in the game. Something we'll get figured out but as of right now it's just hard because nobody's figured out. What will actually get these girls to be paid what they deserved to be paid aide while also turning a profit and having fans show up like it hasn't been able to happen yet really? Yeah they're going to have to implement I think the already do this now where they do. These essentially mini tournaments. Were they all go to the same location that we fans can exit sixteen so they do it like the P L l like the like who gives a fuck about across right same Kinda same thing to say. Does I love Paul Real. This is what he did so he then he created a tournament style so that you go ten weekends a year six games To festival environment. You sell tickets. You could do that for women talk. I think you need to in order to start out to get the ball rolling to give people attached to it and maybe we do live streams as well in order to grow the female broadcasting side of it maybe only female broadcasters coaches and where you know I as a Guy Mike sure make it all. Women's grow them and just not only the playing aspect. But also the other roles in hockey whether it be scouting analytics Blah Blah Blah so Yeah I I love the idea. I hope they could figure it out because I think it only benefits all of us if the game grows itself but if you look at for me at least the most watched women's sports beside soccer when the world cups on its own anise and it's individual woman's force right. I mean I don't like what what is the most popular woman sport on TV think WNBA. Not So. Yeah it's it's like. I don't think it's a broadcast model. I'm seeing the product to get people to go the better. These girls get and they are getting now. There's clips and I don't I hope this doesn't sound clips of if the girls have long hair you're like is that a twelve year old boy or girl. They're actually right. He looked fast. They look that's killed as soon as the product reaches a different level. That's when they'll have a chance but players are improving enough but it just going to take time. Yeah I think right now or before it's watching. It's just slow compared to one. There's another thing too right. I mean it's just I mean that's biology right. There right men are going to be faster. And that's it's how all works. But what about maybe making the rink a little bit smaller and having like a specialized where there's more scoring chances. It takes less time to get around around. I don't know wait so do you think the NHL has to be involved. I think they do in order in order for it to to get to the size that they might want it to get but the problem is is like as as someone who understands businesses. I'm not going to waive my finger and tell them do this and lose money because we WANNA make these other people happy it has to be an investment standpoint is where if they think they can grow it and get more females involved in all of a sudden not you know evens out in a revenue stream based on people consuming their product. Sure I heard there's people who are like start a women's league you fucking assholes where it's like. Whoa they have the NBA? Who are making a lot more money? who have that model auto going on right now and check the books? It's not doing great so I I want. I don't want these women to be given something again where it's just GonNa fail again where it's like Like they have to give it some thought. Think of a game plan and be able to execute it and another thing too is while all these people waving their finger. Well let's The let's play presell the pay per view so to speak. Then let's buck up and fucking if you're going to point your finger and fucking tell people to do something in order to make it. You know in order to grow it I and and make it available for both genders then fucking pay for the package that you're gonNA live shooting the Games on before it's even created all right. There's got to be like come on. There's gotta be Vano Erica. Knows you stand up twice in the arena when there's a goal and there's a fight so you understand for fighting writing. I mean we'll do it between periods me and me in our. Al Go out there with the sumo outfits on and fucking show but but on that note no I hope the female The the ladies get a professional league and they can continue to grow their talents and everyone can win be successful because it no. It's Shitty these. Girls are are talented enough where they should be playing playing at four living in staying in shape for the Olympics. And it's just we gotta figure out another thing we've gotta talk about voters your new best friend Tie Domi teaching play hockey obsessed with them and you got him for an interview for us Later this afternoon. We're excited about that. He don't fuck it up the only idea. I'm him every everytime I skate idea my videos. It gives me a little feedback like my coach. Yeah well people don't like what's your back story even getting into bars till you became the CEO this things just taken off ever since you arrive not a big deal but you enjoy it you love it really. How did it all come to be? I mean I read Barstool. I wore a lot of Marshall. GRONK sixty nine. My favorite t-shirt ever I'm like that's the maturity level. There you know but I loved Barstool. It's basically in you know it's like what guys in Boston read. Its way they talk until they think of a small back in an influential in Boston you know what but like nothing like it was now I met the Charon group when they made the investment with Dave I was working in music I had a company music. Basically they said. Hey We we just invested in this company. You've never heard of called Barstool sports and I was like I fucking heard of. It pulled out the APP I was like. Here's everything these guys are doing right. Here's everything these guys are doing wrong. And I had modeled old as working with Justin Bieber. I'm modeled a lot of his stuff on what David where like. I would read an article on deflate gate. And then there'd be a free Brady t shirt and I was like. That's exactly what you should do if you're bieber and you're like he was launching the purpose to her and the purpose album. You listen to sorry. You unaware the sorry shirt like you gotta serve it up right away. So net net. I met Dave through a mutual friend like six months later we totally hit it off so there was no application they just basically grabbed you. Oh no they had been through. They had interviewed like everyone. They could find anyone yet. Audits but Dave and I met like randomly not through the why because a- is it because they just didn't understand what what the core values were and what it was about what day was about. They didn't fans before before they barstool is small then like like there were twelve people like it was a blog like it wasn't that was how big it was when when the charity sixteen. Yeah Chernow Churning Birds Fox August two and they moved to New York. It was very small. And we're like what is this thing. Why would I go work? They must from Boston unless you're from Boston. Unless you are a fan of it and you understood how big it was in my opinion. That's my opinion on it and then it just was hard like it's I mean. Can't you see a bunch of suits coming in here and being like you should do this. This is how how this should be like would never work. So so that was it so then I came. is a fair to put a number on the company right. Now what what what was it valued at when you stepped in with With that make twenty double digits low double digits. I would say it's now we're doing you know I don't know what our exact valuation is but we're doing almost one hundred million dollars in revenue so it's grown a lot. Isn't that fucking crazy from a from from basement is now a pigeon toed short clown who cut his own hair to a media mogul in New York soil drink oil drilling oil drilling supermodels us on camera captain of the Edmund Oil drillers up Erica. What about Pink Whitney? Because you've had Clinton the two people who are here in America they they're really the two who kind of you guys put your heads together and all of a sudden the drink came along with me. I'm staring but where did you even picture this like starting off offer you like were you look. There's a chance we'll sell. Maybe like one hundred cases awesome about you guys is that I think you get your people like people. Love Love Chocolates. Okay like the audience is hard so hard core. I love you too. I think you're like infinite towns like you're funny like we did when I I did an interview this week. and which is cracking himself up various so funny literally no one else is laughing and laughing at himself answering three but editor for Forbes. Okay it wasn't funny like like business questions. Oh we did Forbes interview for the Pink Whitney Up Yup thanks for the call guys fuck myself but anyways like I think the other thing is like business so entrepreneurial entrepreneurial like you're just a great marketer working with brands like off wipe up just like do I get to work with fucking products that I use. And they're GONNA pay amy. Do endorse them. It's just like I was given that each. I'm detox sat at the table. I don't have the Sunday scariest today because I took it to go. Oh it's great. It's great ooh that's just an example the address But anyways so I think you can feel sometimes when you make a product if it's going to work or it's not going to work and I always felt it with pink mostly because it felt real for you guys like and I thought I thought new Amsterdam did a good job. I think they underestimated how big we are. I think they. That's that's a problem to this day. Like it sucks not being able to give people what they want like you know. Let's remind our listeners. She went to bat for us. And it's not like some battle going honest the new Amsterdam Holy Shit like we didn't expect it s none of us did and so I said Oh no. You're good and then obviously me being the only Canadian the pod castle may guys this is bullshit represent and and you know we mentioned a hardcore fan bases and we all stroke them off back. You know having said that in the end like you rarely ever get something nothing perfect the first try and I would much rather people really want it and be trying to get it and it selling out then them have made too many and we look like complete fool so it sucks right now but at the same time they no one could have thought that this happened the other thing just to give you some context for it. Is that like think about what's happening at Gallo right now like they. They have like so I went to the plant. I like flew to Modesto went to the California like hey in like farm country California. They have all these bottling plants. Okay and they have this thing. They don't run like Barstool Sports. It's down to a science. How many bottles? How many hours the machines Ron? How many people work on them? And they've got to do it across every brand that they own and it slotted for months and years in advance and we come in with the pink vodka and have to kick everybody else else off the bottling line like the the impact. It's having on their business because they got to figure out how to keep up with demand. I I'm not sure this is something thing they've ever seen either. And that's Kinda like it is with Barstool and I think it was like when you guys were doing. Chocolates is like when something gets ahead of you. It's awesome but you're like constantly trying to catch up and figure it out and they are just in that boat. Yeah I mean we're trying to grow so fast and and keep continuing to give you know videos and interviews interviews to our fans whereas sometimes it's like. Oh well why didn't we do this. Fuck man we'd never done it before. Stay above water trying to stay above water and we're and that's sometimes you alarm. We we asked the fans try to back off and be a little bit sympathetic like man. We're just the four of us. We do have other shit going on like I've never been in the space before and we're learning as golf so you know it's it's but but saying that you guys have set set us up with a nice infrastructure were able to just focus on the creative and in growing us our brand for our fancy dance when I actually remember right when you came on Biz. We all had a conference call. Where Eric was on their gadgets on there too I think And even then would you coming on. We knew it was going to get bigger but Erika was the one that said you guys have no idea. I think that how much more or less listeners you can get and how big you guys does he get and I was like. I don't think I don't what she's talking about. I saw kind of where we were able to before. I thought we would be able to. So thank you for that. Yeah you guys are awesome. I love this pot anchor straight to anything else you WANNA talk about. No I think you guys are great. I love your fans of pot. Hockey is going to be exciting. He's GonNa be bag We got the West Coast are the newer version of the West. Coast wagon to her coming up because we are going into the All Star game going to classic Saint Louis will be Jan user another outdoor game. We're going through to the stadium series. which I I will say this? I thought it was a cast. Grab I from what I read read online anyway. I went to that Boston Chicago. One at at Notre Dame stadium the energy and there was incredible. I thought the game was incredible. I just the overall overall atmosphere I think it was worth worth every penny that I would have had to pay. If I would've had to pay for my ticket love that we share it. We appreciate all that you guys do. So thanks for coming on thank Sir thank you very much once again to the CEO of Borstal the woman. Who makes it all happen around there Erica Nardini? We appreciate you very much coming on and all your help as always an Ra you have a couple of other Finishers here. We're going to gambling corner but before that we had a few few funny moments in hockey the light aside if you will Saturday Nado a about calling white bus. All this is Hailey. Should this wasn't a goal. He looked like Palay the hit the crossbar. They must've went fucking fifty feet in the year. Finally come down and Colin like the old fucking jumped up and headed into like a soccer player. Jimmy snuka cocoa butter style but of course it. It didn't count because you can't cocoa about the puck into the net but it would be fucking hilarious if if they would allow that how this what is critical member it's from. WWF Jimmy as long as TV headbutts cocoa by okay. I actually say that. Sometimes I didn't know that that's where it was from though man used to say it. Maybe maybe the Samoans do we have to mention. That shod did at first. Apparently because if you don't you'll get a death threat from from Blackhawks Fan Holy Shit show I did I. I might have been in the playoffs. It was a big one the playoffs so that's skill play and I get where where some people can make the argument with people want to be able to kick the puck in the net. And they say that that's a skill play You deal with escape blades. And we know how those can go. I think that's a little too dangerous just but headbutting come on. That's gotta be a fucking goal. That is a beautiful beautiful beautiful skill. Play and I wouldn't be shocked that the League looks at it moving forward order. Change a rule where you can head by Puck in the net and it was the rat rink to rat rank of all people who get done call in White Nice extension this summer and you know He. He's a rat murky kito call themselves that and he's able to head a pocket and they don't let it stand i. I don't like it I don't like it. What do you mean as he hangs around the arena all all day? Yeah he was trying to say he was a rink rat and on. TV tragedies like Obama rat rink come on. Oh you're GONNA love beautiful Whitey Rink also another chuckle on Friday night. Washington's Nick Dowd picked up on Jewish veteran clubs Dick and Washington's nick doubt picked it up anyone over to the glass and throw it over to the glass to a fan. Who was wearing gloves? FUCKING JERSEY I. I was kissing my pants laugh and like you got a ten minute misconduct but that is absolutely aware that one hundred percent with nick doubt play with them in Manchester Manchester. WanNa call their cup of them. I've been hitting pen pretty hard. I don't know if I've mentioned that this episode but Yeah I was a busy Megan Shadow as you were riding around on a boss But yeah sick title. I'll congrats I think this is just a great move. He's giving away a souvenir to a fan and sure enough the fan that he threw the stick to had that Schiff gobs. That's Nikolov yeah stress. The COP I'm struggling here had soul not even close the first one Schnitzer Cov. I suspect that's to carve. The Fan had his Jersey on so he gave him a souvenir I it was actually one of the most thoughtful moves by an opposing player. You could ever imagine. And he's unselfish guy who's just thinking about the fans and the guys who pay the price of tickets to pay your salaries stories. They should actually you know how they usually find guys for legal checks and stuff for stupid stuff like two thousand five hundred bucks. They should take twenty five hundred out of that fund and pay nicked out out for doing such a nice gesture for a fan. I agree have you ever seen that before. Guides taken an opponent's equipment thrown into the crowd Yahoo Harpoon style to an away rink. He's got a guy right in the chest when through braveheart down now Bakersfield. I think I think our guy was a little pissed off about the outdoor game where he basically swim for. 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I could see why people Dan because the the lead singer's hair I don't think he's ever washed it. He has dreads but he didn't need the wax to make them. He just use the grease from his actual hair. He's got a terrible salad. I'd rather have our as salads. I time for the gambling corner. Enjoy too bad last week. Philadelphia Yagudin earlier in the week by got some back with Dallas and then we finished the week with a winner who was my other Pikhoya. Colorado people give me shit for pick uneasy when about whatever W W so looking ahead to this week though Monday night I like Columbus Columbus. They're out in La Last week this team. I don't particularly give a betting for or against because you never know what you're GonNa get but I I like what I see how this Columbus this team I like the way. They responded to losing their goaltender. So I'm going to be jumping on them Monday in La. They shouldn't be too much of a money line favorite. So we're going to say Columbus on the money line and half of that will go on the puck line and look ahead to Tuesday The Canadians there in Detroit. They do for a win. I know that's old Kim. Yeon one axiom for the generals like myself but They're going to win in Detroit. DETROIT DETROIT construction. They one of the worst teams in the League. And I'm watching. AL is is way overdue for a win. So we're going to jump on Montreal and Detroit Tuesday night Same thing going to go money line and Park Line as well so a blog it. I'll have a blog up Monday so you can check that as well while more time Columbus Monday in La Montreal. Tuesday in Detroit. All right. I think because you're mentioning the Columbus blue jackets the surprising Run they've had lately. We should be able to give a little credit due to Zach Renske who scored two goals on Saturday night as the I defender will jackets history to get fifty goals for the team so at a young age where where he's at now granted he won't come on the show and he's Steph twice We gotta I showed him for a nice little start to his career on a on a team that surprised a lot so that was my at the end of the podcast. Nilly go bitch you have anything and you like to add. Oh you WANNA wish everybody a happy week Last thing I want to say is a the TSN crew that goes overseas and spend time away from their families during the holidays. They do an incredible job. They they are when I think of World Juniors I think a Rafer Gord Miller I think is drager still. They'll doing it. James Dougherty body Mac. He's he's Bobby Mack. 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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 190: Featuring Rick Tocchet

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 190: Featuring Rick Tocchet

"Go after a bom bom bom bom everybody welcome to episode one hundred ninety of spit in chicopee sent by new amsterdam vodka free agency died down a little bit things quieting down out but we're still gonna bring one episode on july fourth book podcast don't sleep so let's say hi to the boys fresh producer mike eager nellie what's going on buddy what's up fellas a hundred ninety episodes in the books i can't believe it now it's texan already earlier in what the soundcloud episodes you guys were doing before this that's over two two hundred so job well done boy it's it's been a fun run thanks man thanks man it's certainly falling by next up i buddy ryan whitney what's going on brother what up what up from just hanging out here a right now getting ready to celebrate it's the third so next couple of days should be a blast and yeah the free agency stuff has slowed down there still some really good players out there so you're wondering when a couple of those guys will finish off inside their deals and figure out where they're going next year absolutely announced third member of the crew of third host flip member the crew paul nasty this and that he's gonna be joined the show he actually had a sit down with rick talk after about an hour and a half outstanding interview he did not arizona so will be joining busy and talk a little bit but yeah which you mentioned a few guys still haven't been signed a it just seems seems like most probably gonna end up where they already our other are essays i don't i don't think anyone's gonna have these big real surprise at this point to you well no but i mean if you look like like the single hasn't signed in johansen hasn't signed i mean those guys were really good players last year except for except i mean joe hansen was so good for the bruins when he was healthy amini bad he's kind of battled injuries a long time but he could make a huge difference with the team and then jake gardner to where where's jake gardner gonna end up i mean he's a guy who can get forty points plays eighty games you're gonna get you're forty fifty points so there's still some there's still some names out there there's always that immediate a upper echelon free agents they're going for the first skews me in and figure out from there a you know where everyone else's slade in moneywise and stuff but a the offer sheet we kinda hope for we we we ended up getting but carolina's gonna match that lonnie owners come out and said there is no he thought there is no need actually i think i think you said it was a waste of time montreal did that but still it was their best chance and i actually read some interesting things montreal first had looked into an unwanted offer sheet brayden point in tampa 'em was the same agent as as bashing a whole but they ended up looking at figuring there's a better chance that they built a ghetto 'em ended ended up you know not working either way but you look at the the two guys they're going after and you could tell they want some skill up front and they don't mind if it's and undersized guy and i thought john adults comments were pretty interesting to he thought the the v off of montreal is pretty low to which we sat on applied slash podcast lazy thank you yeah yeah you you typically expect you officer really blow you out of water like what happened with jay webber a few years ago but on it and then obviously interesting comment a buddy jeff merrick had was that you wonder if gm's did this a kind of like not collusion by sort sort of collusion like the keep contracts lower that was certainly an interesting theory but yeah there's definitely a couple of lanes i mean joe thornton he's only gonna come back the san jose's not gonna go anywhere else but you got a guy like justin williams man you know he he still has some something left in the tank i think i'm sure he probably wants to go back a carolina i know where he's kind of build something special deal last season but he's a guy man you know he could latch on really with any contend the he's the perfect guy to add a you know not really a role player but he's justin williams man he's got that magic stick come playoff time so i'm kind of curious to see where he ends but yeah he he said he seems confident are optimistic overturn a the other guy that's kind of interesting is nikita goose a food nobody really knows anything about a could he be like pronouncement income over a later age when the kate show and dominate but he's got a huge difference in opinion on what he should be paid with vegas right now having his agent believe that he deserves a lot more the vegas willing offers so now there's the rumors that he could get traded but he is a guy who could end up showing up being really good often say all of a sudden 'em if you end up with this guy's a sick even sixty point guide nhl i mean how much how much of a difference could he make to a bunch of teams out there so i think the question is if you're looking to trade him do you believe it'll it'll translated games he's played world championships displayed olympics waited on the best team the best line in the cage so so if you think it's gonna translate over here teams may be lining up detroit a trade agreement unless they really do think this kid wants way too much money yeah definitely interesting time you know everybody gets caught up in initials like for his day assault by a lot important chicken still happen and you mentioned you'll answer man if there's a guy who's who stock and pay pay for next year definitely went up in the playoffs it was him he was outstanding for the bruins so what do you think what do you think joe hansen commands on the on the market here i mean i've i've seen some kind of big numbers store around form it's hard if you look at some other people have signed i mean i off the top of my head i don't really know what what did he i think he had close the sixty games played in around forty points last year is that even close i mean that's kind of my guess the thing you worry about is like he's had concussion problems right he had another one this year or did they say that wasn't a concussion on the hit from furlan that he took right when he got traded over the bruins i don't know if they ever officially come out and said it was a a concussion or or some other poppin officially concussion inspired fifty eight fifty eight games only thirty points in the playoffs you did have a great show eleven points at twenty two games you know i i think if you're team you could you could pay like for five five million famous you're gonna want that much more than that i mean does he deserve that much more if you were to give him five million a year do you think the fans that team would be upset or would they be you know 'cause at this point five million it's not even that much for a guy if he's gonna get you forty five fifty points i mean now granted he didn't do that last year but if he was healthy i think he would've so you worry about healthy worry about how many times is this guy been injured before willie built alas but you you could see when he is healthy and he's going he's a difference maker i talked a little what the money will end up being in the terminal really matters well yeah he made just over four and a half million last year he's gonna be twenty nine when the seasons the new season does not end yeah he didn't have a ton of points even the last couple of years 'cause he was battle not that that guy she got but i think man i think i'm still off upon but i think he got his mojo back in the playoffs man i'd be surprised if he signs a lesson six million based based on his play in the playoffs but i'd say maybe three as eighteen wherever he ends up by i wonder should see that number now i also a school is when we were when we were worth a sit in mackinnon mackinnon got the news that that berkoff he got traded the colorado he was a on underachiever right like people saw great things for him in washington and it never really panned out i mean he was their first stanley cup and he was a part of some really good teams but he didn't really take that next level in his in his play in kind of become that like star the people think he can so if he goes over the colorado so you get the chance mckinnon or any of those studs over there you could see him kind of take off i know the the stats having been there but you're looking at like twelve goals three years in a row kenny all of a sudden he make that big leap on at all but it was interesting that a former first rounder got traded wasn't mentioned too often yeah in the same situation with with guilt genu outgoing so the penguins man he's a guy who you know if he was gonna do that one year in montreal you just tease the everyone they wouldn't surprise me if they put a month either cross amount and he ended kitten thirty as you know guys set off of those doing they have careers are couple of curry is and certainly get paid by you mentioned nova scotia to man i just want to reiterate how how much of a a great place that was a great time halifax was i i was really impressed with like just the town itself the buys the restaurants and of course the people that everyone is very proud to be from halifax but like not not in your face way in a very endearing way so i again once again we want a shutout halifax but i think we should send it over the business pocket right about now what do you think yeah end everyone i think it's pretty cool that base goes and does these interviews a lot of time by himself so it's huge for us because there's many times i got stuff going on or you know a guy can only do a certain time when maybe you can alright based travels and doesn't mind doing these interviews i think he's gotten really good at them so a without further ado we appreciate you base but this is a great interview and he i know we've got another one also sean burke so thanks a lot to erect talk effort for joining the 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for six different teams accumulating one hundred are sorry one thousand one hundred and forty four nhl games four hundred forty goals in five hundred and twelve assists per nine hundred and fifty two points but scoring goals is in all of this guy did you is one of the top us customers around he had a combined hundred and seventy two fighting majors sixteen of which were in playoffs after his lustrous playing career a whiz over you don't jump right into coaching where he start as an assistant with the colorado avalanche over the course of the last eighteen years he helped coach as an assistant head coach four five different teams and you can now be found behind the arizona coyotes bench as the boss please welcome rick talk to the spitting chiklis podcast wow man you google that was an hour ago didn't know that took me about three hours this out i i'm i'm a little slow in that kind of stuff if they if they really time consuming and it really fries my brain staring at my screen yeah well the hockey card you get some of that stuff google hot of good stuff some good stuff you know hockey pd beyond his years you worried i do all my own notice okay we have a lot to talk about yeah you you had a long playing career you're you're now coaching and we also have some fan questions and i did a little dirt dig in on you from something year old teammates okay that's it depends on the guy though well it's it's all the fun ones and we've had some of the podcast i guess i'll start with this sean burke the same question a childhood like a blue colored by dallas mechanic mechanic 'em you know my mom worked in a kind of a daycare is a cook talion upbringing you know they might you know the old dad came over on a on a boat suffer my mom a couple of years later you know like a romantic story right and then a born in scarborough ontario grew up there and 'em went to wexford highschool free year two and then what the same mike's downtown there a you know kind of where the suit and tie that police member they all boys school and then it got a draft much december so yeah i love toronto great city all around you drafted neo h l a fourth round okay fourth round so similar to you're nhl draft you were like a highly touted guy yeah you know not ugly choppy skater you know i figure i you know i thought i got the job done but you know not the prettiest guy i mean but a you know i just kinda worked on my game i i took i took a figure skating a a tried that for years then i took power skate with a figure skater so i tried 'cause i knew my skating wasn't the best so i did a lot to find my game two to one hockey player but the odds of tough right is cutting could a you played in the peterman tournament in quebec yes what was that experience and it's like unreal builder with the french family a great great time 'em you know and i think that's the best tournament ever right friday could a you know taking the bus up there you know you probably as a kid but the most you'll feels a professional 'cause they you know in the coliseum every you know that the you know that old fashioned you know i'm you know i end up playing against quebec three x those kind of that whole atmosphere you know they thousands of people in the sense you know you're you know how will get used to these little rings oh my god gives great who's great you feel like a professional 'em so it'd be drafted visu yeah i was looking at the hockey db of course you ended up playing with ron francis in your first year and you're only child he he didn't play very long is only on well he played twentyfive game that year so ronnie ronnie francis played a twenty games he got called out the hartford i think those are leading goalscorer he was close he has forty eight points at twenty five games in a i will say this that team we have lots going but we were tough and we we lost in the finals somebody we were one tough team in if you look at stats we don't have a lot of good goal scores but we didn't give up many goals john reason why you know why they're piety afraid to get to to how far ahead and leave and you start fucking this law the field fire away you know we we get we get into that is the best dave round i remember dave round my favorite store replay pittsburgh penguins and they were lighten up i've not heard any age they never beat us very often and he went their bench and he said if you guys score another goal somebody is gonna die out here and kevin stevens said what do you wanna do merrill's giving me happens and he goes i don't fucking care miss and they never scored another goal the last twentyfive minutes of the game they don't know what they got a shot in that day brow is that tough that is that is old school we get to that later on you're you're first year in the shelves that really you're first time being exposed to the whole fighting in in and you know that that type of culture 'cause you're playing minor hockey and all of a sudden you're in the mix yeah i mean i admire you know i was always a tough played a hit and stuff like that you're scuffles but there isn't really those fights 'em but in training camp i hurt my knee and terry chris instead mcmaster says to me hey listen we're gonna keep you around here but i could have gone a tear to and i remember when i was back at over seven days i said to myself when i get back i gotta i gotta make the notice me right away and i went after the toughest guy named kenny ladda first shift in a scrimmage went after i'm gonna fight and then the rest is history i made the team through that kind of like positive reinforcement i'm sure everyone loved it and was complimenting you after did you kind of take that and run a yeah because you know what it seems to me a little nervous but you know after the fight i said is that didn't really hurt you know i did okay 'em in the one thing i remembered a in my brothers told me you know when you're in the box of the guy just say hey you know we might have to go again and sometimes when you do that guy looks saying oh who is this guy like this guy's crazy and you know hopefully those guys i'll call you back out so yeah let's go again you know i liked the guys who say not were done i'd there's the guy say that's me were done but you know he said now let's just play all you're gonna find out a lot about that guy might by asking him that well exactly but some guys call your bluff right you know means you gotta love that song stuart says simon wherever the fuck the drone exactly exactly then you're like jesus you know like you know oh hang on a sec you know i gotta go and get my skates on herself but but yeah that was something that i needed to do the first year should have got myself notice well then you added the the goal scoring and playmaking you're bagging her second year were you disappointed that you went six round nhl drafter or you know is that something you kind of expected 'em you know what that's a good question i i did expect anything i know what i went through the draft this funny story one brother we drove at the time had done in and a he had a lot of the first round pick guys and i was projected anywhere from four the seventh round and i talked a buffalo a few teams and and back then there the first round of the six round on saturday and then they on sunday they have the six round the twelve from so it start again the nitty gritty we i think is the last pick before the break the second last week so i said i remember my brother saturday's well we they're gonna be steak tonight or gonna beat and check in the morning and terry chris i gotta give them credit credit credit credit he was in the stands he went to the fire i watched the fire trap table and his point that this and talk the bobby clark next thing i knew i got my my name so he's the guy that got drafted hysteria chris my coach you're type of team to you're excited when you went absolutely could have been a better fit eighteen natural i remember getting picked up and i just put it that big city in meeting all deal fires and all the tradition and the broad street bullies and we had a really tough team so it it it really helped my career for sure you're like did you end up going to training camp before you're last year ideally chow or back down or is it just you just wait until you're ready to finish her career yes when i saw that was done i went to my first training camp and then i made the team and then back then so they had bobby clark billy barbara lee old fire guys were retiring so it myself peter's azel a marie craven pelly acl and a lot of these younger scott mellanby lot of young guys came up and we kind of took their jobs if there isn't over team we went through the minors but there were some spots there and they went young and like i said it it worked out for me before we get into the flyers yes a what was it like playing the suit just being from toronto maybe a bigger city moving there did you enjoy your time i loved it a they did that they held a program up there a small town steel town leather hockey a you know went up to be a man those mama's waves a kid i went up there and came back a man who is really something i i really cherished you know people talk about the sue and i remember back then it's people don't wanna go play the soon that they're on their out of their minds who is a great place to play i played against jeff carter when he's at the greyhounds and they still had that old arena where it looked like it down a yeah they they renovated since then but yeah it was i built a new arena yes i haven't i haven't been out there and see it to be honest here but he old almost just a i mean even had there wasn't any loss is not building i mean you're after year i i left for the pro pro well they lose a game that was won by program got traded their no way oh they went for a party three no so he's probably going other teams benches saying if you guys beat us time and the beat the fucking amalia while yeah he well he does that all the time you know you is probably one of those guys guys you know we miss him but he is he's a he's a great guy i love that guy even though you're scared of the guy so you had a ridiculous last year john you're when you went the training camp was there anything being shed you or were you in the mindset i i'm probably gonna go their end up getting sent down a my the one thing that i want to be in great shape i was a fitness freak even back then and i i really worked worked at my my fitness i wanna make sure it's so that was one vintage i had over a lot of guys as his back that a lot of guys in traders hard like they do now a psych came in a camp unbelievable shape and i came minicamp ready to go a you know remember the rookie rookie a games against jersey i mean the the national anthem don't even start start fights kenny danica with all these guys and 'em is it right away you wanna be noticed you know bobby clark in the stands the famous keith allen 'em so and then obviously want to hone your skills in mike keenan was the her first year coach tough kind of coach so yeah it's just kind of kind of progressed did you know going in you're like i'm gonna i'm gonna have to assume that role is well is trying to become a player well i i did at first but i you know i came off a class that tony some gold i gotta chill recor like i twenty three twenty four goals in the playoffs so i come in as they thought the shooter i'm a score i remember my first game against washington i'm a five on three kids got me on the point i've never played the point in my life of service i gotta tell you i've never played the point runner presser new t and then i just kind of fit in i mean i wasn't ready for the big time scoring type of thing but then i knew i put me on a on a line with rene ritchie sutter the and we just were tracking land and we you know good for checking in caused problems shelter and that was that was my role a there's a few legends that were there when you played there yeah fuck i wrote it down that's all right brian prop and tim kirch yeah you see there were a few older guys and legends did those guys take you under winger was a little different back then what the hell school school so mark how a property one of the best greatest offense when i've ever played wit's end and the pleasure of coaching not me coaching it but any defense i've coached he's probably one of the top three for me unbelievable hockey player 'em him in bremmer criminals at paris privee they're the best in the league i mean you got you got coffee and how do you were right up there too in ray bork and those guys but i'm telling you those guys were incredible those two guys were a big influence on my life in hockey taught me the ropes like like how how to be how you carry yourself off yeah he's just how to be a professional 'cause you guys had some very good teams you're first few years their first three years really listen listen back then guys like the go out right there in the one thing with brad and how he said listen when you know there's a team meeting on the road you go four beers of nature show even if it's five you gotta show you face because it's the guys that don't show that get it right so i remember anytime we had eighteen kind of function their party whatever you'd be there and then the next day of practice you better be the first guy in line you better work hard and i and i and to this day i even as a coach and i know some guys when they go out and i have no problem with it if you're a guy that hides behind the line but the guys you i'm gonna have a problem with you you probably won't be on my team the guy that you know i i know the guy's been out you know and we all picker spots which you know and i i understand i don't wanna go hide and that's my only rule for guys and i think that's something that those guys brought in the media is back then this don't hide and don't heightened games while a yeah i mean you you played in a different era and i i can't wait to dive into some of this other stuff a mike keenan you mentioned already 'em you guys did a good teams when he was there what what was he like as a coach do you have any interesting stories you like patel would be hard on you specifically yeah my heart i mean we've of a we've had lots of nervous jets i love mike and there's parts of my career i didn't agree with what he is tactics i didn't like him at certain parts maker but today i love me he made me you know he was a big part of my career a story wise i mean i got a million the stories i i mean i remember playing cowdrey a after the first period i might add two shifts and i think is my third and fourth year and i was you know under my breath coming off a whatever bitching about and who's behind me shut your you're fucking prima donna and i went crazy so i turned around and went after him and brad mcraven mark our between were going out and he's backing away saudi was the next period and we start seeing i end up getting three fights that we went for the three so after the game you know we went over there and i remember i had the big hair back then and blow dry air we gotta go at this bar called the bank and that was the big plays in big placed on the calorie after a win win right altogether there's a team the whole team is gonna be a two days off we're on a three game winning streak street that's a green light a fire white rice relight come up to me as a blow dry mayor and he goes gives me here's the team credit card take the boys out and i grabbed a credit card i fly in the back of seattle used my own cash cause those tests you know i i don't care you know keenan you yell at me whenever i in you apologize later called me prima donna gives us his tactics he got me on a credit card right back out and he loved it he loves that stuff though like that gives me a little anxiety knowing how cheap buyout i would if what you're saying i might have went out and got and outfit do you know what that's what i should have done is just you know put about ten thousand on it that's part of the better hurt your credit card i just i just felt that fried factor you know i'll just i'll eat it up but yeah so we had a good time at night and it was fun we've said this a bunch on here and i've heard from other guys is when he challenged you and you came back out and he usually respected you and it kind of ended things like that is that is that the case with you and him yeah yeah i i respect lemon i never i never mother like i never been a batch mother you know i never did did that but we'd have a certain amount of arguments 'em you know he's dc i mean we went up i have to say this at the lake placid we're all pissed off at four days off we had the ground by were going to lake placid or no do like a mini trading up this in the middle of the season and were test and we go there the first day we go out there and we have you back skates this next the it's a two day so that same day we come back at two o'clock it's a scrimmage he comes on he has his equipment on biz it comes really goes well boys here's your chance he's gonna play in the scrimmage lindsey carson a good friend of ours who played back then with us 'em first shift just killed with a check he went down he stood up practice or scrimmages over we get three days off so we're three days off at a in a lake placid and they have a place on a classical rena griller rena bar and we were there for two three nights and it was just a shit show and now but i was mike keenan's motivation and we ended up i think we're the president's trophy one of the year those were the things he did he want to see a reaction backs is the first day but the next two days we had off we had a great time so just a mental warfare marijuana yeah it was he want it you'd be challenging mental warfare yeah exactly i wanna talk about you guys made a cup run in the third year in the league with philly you guys lost to the edmonton oilers i just talked about that real running maybe you know earlier curie on a winning team and all of a sudden like in your head you know what it takes to be the best and how they how they get foreign playoffs and how much of that impact you later on in your career in and just what was it like being a young guy only having that much success the team yeah so the first year we lose five games in the finals so then we lose out in the first round the next year and we're once again top league we lost the rangers huge huge favor and we lose the next year we we came we lost seven gives them and i remember i remember in game seven and this is this i take this now is i told my players this routine or whatever preparing for the game and i remember game seven the night before i didn't i didn't have a marriage is you have a glass of wine at dinner couple glass of wine have dinner at certain times better eleven eleven thirty watch a movie well game seven oh no i'm not gonna have a glass of wine i wanna make sure i'm better earlier i think i went to bed at nine o'clock that and a tie game seven i wasn't good as i was horsh it so it just so i don't wanna skip stories but when i played with pittsburgh and we finally won the cup that whole series that a great series i remember i did the same thing routine relax and that's why i said i just you know it's talking at craig ruby the other day they have a game seven coming up said keeper players relaxed like this game seven but don't play like it's a game seven where you're so jacked up and that's what i did you got all the great players in order to keep their heart rates down in in in in those type of moments right and i remember that that time you know in the eighty seven to ninety two i remember learning that make sure that you're nicer relax when the state yeah when the stakes get high just got a kayak i even keel gotta be even keel you can't be like all of a sudden change all of a sudden you're bad at nine o'clock all of a sudden oh i'm not gonna have a glass of wine why you've done your routine stay with the routine getting you know do the things that guy either don't change just because it's a one day thing you said the best players remain com in pressure situations a there is a story about how they had a heart rate monitor on joe thornton and his heart rate in the middle of the game action drops when he has the puck on his stick now that could be some urban legend but i know in my case when i used to get on my stick houston go overboard hunter in two hundred beats per minute i have a fucking jammer okay so i mean that just kind of separates the great from the from the peasants towards the end of the flyers career at least in your first then you guys and have as much success and then you end up getting traded over the penguins halfway through the year eight season i yeah yeah so we kind of went to a rebuilding in a in a you know at that time you know i got traded a wasn't shocked 'cause i heard some stuff but i had a pretty good thing going in philly an ace you know as you know is well known there and it's something i didn't really did i wanna get traded but i'll be honest when i got traded pittsburgh i wasn't chicken scratch and i'll tell you that i'm going to limit auger francis all samson kevin stevens tom brasow larry murphy i mean you're going and all star team so i knew if i did my best chance to win a cup was withdrawing this trade is it a bigger rivalry event as it is now a yeah yeah i the rival is growing engaged i don't think they won in the spectrum one game i think we went fifty five and and we grew i'm pretty sure that's the stuff we went fifty five or just rubbish and you guys dominated so much that we saw this i hate we slapped around i mean it was in paris mariel for guy i mean you know you got a few points here that but we slapped around but then all of a sudden touch things start to change early nineties they want to cops flyers have yet to win since that time and then they get crosby and then they went three cups of crosby right now they're happy dance battles in oh yeah of crosby's crosby's rob solutely did it make you nervous going over pittsburgh in even though they were so good that they'd one year before a you want it you're copper you like all these guys have already blown there load well ashley ashley when i got traded their craig patch made the trade because at that time there just above five hundred around february the what they were doing so i remember we had a meeting and it wasn't you know sky boneless wings are coach annual some guys had some issues when somebody takes guys the best bench coach ever but i remember credit patrick had a team meeting with just the players any run around as certain guys say what do you think what do you think i'm just sit in the corner don't ask me man don't ask me i just got here and he goes talk and what do you think and i said listen i'm looking around at this room i see auger i see joe mullen hall of famer i see i said boy it's on us let's go here and then you know i'm not saying that speech golladay but all that said hey i just basically said you kidding me look at this team and we win the cup that year off i mean you wanna talk about talk about scotty bowman first a i heard stories of of maybe guys not letting him in a string practice some guys that issues with some guys didn't wanna monday isis members sometimes even practices for a while they went through the stretch so scotty went on the buffalo we practice and then when there's a game became back combine yeah there's a couple of times that happened sometimes i you know what fans in the stands but then you know it was just a weird situation because some guys had some issues of i'll tell you what scotty bowling like he plays makes a really tight heaps detoxing me a lot more now than it used but in talking me but if my parents were in the sense he said he goes talk my parents were three hours you know i'm in the locker made you go right you'd walk right by me that's just the way scotty was and i i have no problem with that everyone compliments him as a bench cold unbelievable where they this how he he's starting the pairs which i'd i'd like doing like the pairs we did this and pittsburgh or mike solving the two you know so you had you know you have two guys that you know you know what i'm trying to think if you had a let me say lemieux stevens you know they were a pair he would just rotate now when i got there i i was on the line a lot but you grew up there sometimes he put joy mullen up there she just wanted have he always thought the third guy could be rotated you don't have to change the whole one just a large of a pair you're fine so if you had four pairs and the for other wingers could just rotate hey you know you might put he might put a j copperfield up you know is a tough tough guy or the guy like you were something he put him on the first line for a couple of shift that's what i liked about scotty he would put tough guys with the are best players which i like a lot of coaches just have fourth line guys four guys i i actually liked that obviously doesn't happen anymore you don't you don't have those guys is much anymore on social media you get ruined well could you imagine the tweets if you put me in a line with like calvin calvin but think about this think about it though it and that's what scott he did he felt it energized the team at energize the player a it might energize the best player team take him i'm gonna try to get busy busy goal here i'm gonna try to set him up or i'm gonna or whatever it carried away or whatever like look look look at some echoing through gretzky in that right i mean that that was a hell of a line right so scott he did that stuff you know he's an innovator and with that when it came to that stuff hey and there's some guys who like playing with tough guys a i mean i mean i i don't know specifically about lemieux or a or gretzky but they liked that added protection now definitely no one's gonna take a run at some let's make those on his line listen you know wayne gretzky were merely view i mean if you had the asking i'm not gonna speak for but they voted one hockey fighting rocket they're gonna say no they think hockey should be a fight she'll be in hockey and that's just what you know i'm not gonna speak forum i'm not saying it should be like you know stage fights and all that so i get all that stuff hey but i have no problem a in those guys have no problem with the you know somebody let's take advantage of somebody's somebody's gotta step in and that's just the way it is on the stanley cup and the parties and just the overall experience walk me through it oh man is this pg here though leave you could swear and i and i tried to kill stories on this i had cindy story the other day i don't know if you heard that one off the send you the the tape is that the girl in the elevator who's i wanna let you know people were tagging me in sunday 'cause i told the story about how a girl ended up dead sure in there is a oh yeah they came out of a grown elevator who obviously having diarrhea and she couldn't hold everybody was tagged me and ask me that we city cindy okay i felt it wasn't it was not it was a different girl shooting herself back to the stanley cup parties um you know we went over the arson my so we took the stanley cup to this bar in pittsburgh and 'em there must have been you know i'll say there's a thousand people has bar there is nine fifty girls you know it's one of those right and not just throw guys like you know it was it was a fun time and and you know then then then they a couple of guys passed around we at house parties it's a fun time don't get me wrong where you were you there when the infamous a in a pool that you're you're before so what's the story they they just you know delve in the pool with the cop and then ended up getting waterlogged in sanctioned bottom yes i think now is tradition now so what happens is that it happened when we as a coach 'cause i was at crosby at a party a we won the last couple of cups was assistant coach everybody goes in the pool now the cup and go in but all the guy so tradition is the whole team around you know around midnight or twelve this you're still partying the all the guys on the team jumping in the pool and that was the tradition so we're gonna get to that point 'cause you were you were coach on the second stand with it and when the cops on busy off off season you end up signing with outlay after years three years stand with the penguins yeah yes a tree traded a from pittsburgh to ellie training okay yes sorry that wasn't online that sort a fluke aerobics i saw the dalai and that was a time when the bankruptcy with the bruce with all that if you're too young for that stuff so a who's in transition order shipped gretzky was there it was a it was a miserable time in the not so much from me but the franchise which had really success it starts to go downhill and those that bankruptcy thing with gretzky and stuff like that but i'll tell you what i a i came real close with rats and a lot of the movie premieres met a lot of good people a fun time flies the fund was funny on ice was his great well that's what i was gonna ask you about in before we get to the off stuff you went from playing with the music gretzky just to the the greatest forwards of all time probably number one into 'em what were they the similarities that they had in maybe some of the differences where you were surprised by a bold very calm under pressure like commonsense don't get me wrong they they had the motor running then you could tell you know listen you know in the playoffs and stuff they're going but i i just remember there's certain situation where there's a high pressure situation i watch him and there wasn't a lot of panic you know these the way they drank water is very calm and it wasn't like you know they were they were there were a lot of anxiety their their their game and i think that's why the greats gretzky let me is you know michael jordan all these guys highly lived as you said the heart rate goes down there like this is this is why they could slow the game down in it before it even starts and i think it just starts with their mindset and i you i still don't know how they do it but i've seen some big moments in those guys just do some terrific like unbelievable things a what were some of the fun off the off i think you did i mean they had a few a few crazy man that team marty mcsorley he apparently he was more popular in las angeles in wayne was why that the mardi tell you that probably heated specifically but maybe it was very popular but you know way was you know he listen i'd i'd go with wayne shock on the parties and stuff i remember i remember like i didn't know then but the kevin spacey's the member gate i was there and he was like he was just like really friendly a good guy and stuff like that 'em what's it premiers a best one who is jennifer pick me up in my time may fiance and say hey we're gonna go see a movie and i remember my my my girlfriend's i'm fiance she had a workout sashi just worked out and she goes what were you gonna move yeah i said she goes you shall we are yeah we ended up going to a premier a little bit taylor was there bet midler henry winkler he's fondue happiest user older people you why older older listeners will know like elizabeth taylor and stuff like that a a who else was there a is incredible so we went to the house and they get the movies before they come i'm out in this house like it sixty thousand square foot place they have their own movie theaters so we saw that part of beverly hills who is incredible 'em so yeah so my my girlfriend walks in she's got her like workout stuff and these guys were all have resolved dial now she's one of the reasons i watched him shorts on you wouldn't have been his face but women get a little weird about that she would say i don't blame her she but i do believe that the and that's why we were divorced now i guess a you honestly that energy wants edit that out what the worst yeah no those were were could go you don't give a shit hey you just you're like me you'll just you'll just talk and you're not like and what do you suppose the high you get the more all of that but they got away you talk people people say we have a lot of similarities gene don't accept compared us to each other oh is that right but maybe not for some good reasons because she goes you come up and be like hey man how you doing and then the mets then talent higher doing i would walk away but not all not on purpose just cause were space cadets i'm not space cadet but i do i will tell you what's on my mind you know like in as a as a coach a player like that's the one thing i i feel players if you just if you're just normal around like what's the big you don't have that i don't have to sit there and a charity charity on the head coach and you sit there and you know i'm this almighty you know i i play the game i know the game i i think i know i know what a win i think i i like my sister my like what type of person that they gotta get communication and you use work you're way with a player i i think that's the best way i i don't think there's any other way you know me like talking down to a player a chase a transition to a player then obviously where there'd be conflict and stuff is it frustrating for you when you had a teammate who who wasn't wasn't great at communicating and talking things through 'cause it's you know yeah i i mean i wasn't a quiet guy four games i like i like even today i hate when i'll be honest it today's player the one thing i do all i love him but the one thing i do is i don't like that fricken music going on right till you they're like i don't understand how do you communicate and i turned a blind eye let you know i told y'all i'm not gonna make a big deal of it but before game at least five times for you i wanna talk to my teenage boys let's be ready whether it's a joke like whether you're telling me they listen right before warm up now right before 'cause 'cause when i was playing here with the donor would say guys cut the music off at a certain time where i would say about you know ten fifteen minutes before we walked out the door to offer warm up no music see i like see i would like that yeah but the players lakers right to warm up and we did in pittsburgh they do it everywhere so i'm not gonna listen i i have arguments were the other former players about this that they're not coaches like yeah you gotta be harder on this and they should be doing this and i said i picked my spots in the fights i do i really care if the guy's ties night on straight i don't give a shit is i really don't care you know these guys you dress the way you dress i mean obviously don't holes and gene stuff guys guys dress really well nowadays but i don't care if a guy's tired i really don't care but i want to backtrack i want him to the tobacco check i wanna make sure he goes to the whole those were the things i'm gonna fight i don't care what the other stuff yeah really doing story about rather than ties some some his appearance yeah then it was off the boston you play with so so many legends yet you're adam oates their re am daily cam nealy retired or that you're i got there i mean just walk me through you're time in ba tell you what we played on i don't why we actually had a good game in the port can be used on myself adam oates income nearly went went so i remember as a casper us do casper is a coach and he said you wanna play left wing i said damn right i'll play i'll play whatever those guys and i actually when i got traded the boston and i played with a when important nick camp retired halfway through the year but i tell you they'll just scored like scored thirty one goals and like i like i don't know how many games like fifty games i had a great really good year that you're play without see he he really set me up a lot that was a fun time so other than gretzky would you say he's the second best playmaker or dario mario had yeah yeah it's mary on grass and then both on like one one one one one right and then after that it's everybody else but don't you is get don't get me wrong is held a passer ray bork i mean he's a legend in boston or i mean she loves attack he was a tank he was a he was a just a you know he's the walk around the yeah i remember getting there you know it really bothers he walks around naked put stuff on those big legs and just walk in a steve leach used to doing imitations quote magnon or whatever you know any form into a human beings do this whole presented a procession i'd never seen anything like it was the funniest thing ever but ray was a bull man 'em thirty minutes every night practice the next day an hour like teams he wasn't incredible specimen for sure but that's one thing that i'm sure doesn't happen as much anymore in the locker room his guys ripping on each other yeah it's it's it's a little ashley i got admit that are what i like about the same approach now these guys are really close like and i feel the japanese not to the extent that we played it was it was deadly back then he told me a story recently i dunno if you were involved but somebody like took a shit in the pizza box and put the pizza box and a stall yeah i mean that's that's valid normal harford accordia back then yeah i mean one guy like he's in the shower he's pissed teasing ear catches in the mouth and he spits so that you all i'm not gonna mention the guy i know yeah like yeah like some of the stuff that went down yeah a that it wouldn't it wouldn't happen nowadays know there'd be full wants to yeah so she like bullying and all that type type of stuff people take things very seriously so yeah for sure a bunch of it you're in people's faces nowadays no i don't think i don't think you wanna be doing that stuff nowadays but no i the japanese biz 'em yeah not as not as bad as it used to be yeah for sure and then it was softer phoenix coyotes man so fucking were were almost shandy accrued chuck in a robotic and a you know she owner i might as well dive into it now because those are a few of the guys that i texted so these are their comments and and maybe stories the tee up okay so this is from donor ask them about brad smith they called him the bird dog greg smith greg smith okay will smith is bird dog so greg smith and that this so i'm what the flyers he was a rookie is a much my seventh ear and greg smith great guys a rest in peace i mean he passed away i think a year to go but he he's a tough guy and we told them a they have toll bridge is going into philly new jersey have is told rage and they said hey we're we're fire you don't pay what do you do you just yelling the basket you know where you put the money into baskets you just yell fires in the end they are mogul up so he's there with another rookie and it's confirmed the story goes up the toll guy or to the manual thing in the basket flyers will be armed doesn't go up flyers so now everybody's hawkins philly right people there you know get the only whatever screaming adam you know he's giving every the finger now he's getting these causing a ruckus now the manager one of the toll guys comes over goes what's going on he goes i'm with the flyers opened this thing up i just yelled in the basket he goes i don't care who you play for you gotta put at that time seventy five cents or a dollar you gotta put a dollar here's what's you're badge number i'm gonna tell it snyder who is are older i'm gonna tell it snyder who are you start screaming at the guy there's a big rock as the body clock at a small downtick calm things down he was six there's a big lined up behind like a you know he wouldn't leave until they put their arm up so anyway that's the jokes we used to do something like that came with the rank these snap on the guy yeah we we we rookies like a step too hard because we had day brown some guys there but yeah so that he's right donor that's a story i told the boys he also mentioned this on the time the league added a and it's just his total from like six years before so when i got traded their or signed as a free agent could shocking roic i'm sitting on the bench and every other game it's like please unassisted number ninety seven jeremy erotic at number seven kids could chuck going his buddies with this guy like i'm looking at wall lincoln at this guy like so i every so most of the games i i buster balls right you guys leads the league in that is just like what's going on you've taken this this guy all the time you're guy for be beers at what so wall them good embarrassing stuff but i still think to this day they got rich narran just say that the league called in and said at assist a wreck talk at six years later i sticks it's still a joke they said it's not but so what they did is a wreck taka got assist that it's six years i had assist like six years before that so that's what donors do they actually add one on they say they did but i think i think they put rich up to it i still to this day don't know if it's true or not he okay so this one might get intense and you might not like it he goes ask them about pulling up his socks up over his pants he might not tell that one on air and he might be a little annoyed it's even mentioned that donor donor there annoy me i shut my pets so so what happened was a with kevin stevens a buddy of mine his buddies we're we're we're we're all out of the playoffs and you know so we went on went on all night drinking whatever a eating and i remember at the time and i was so by the time it's true so it's like seventy am eyedrops kevin off those guys in duxbury and he he gave me his card is i i looked at boston the time this is the ninety five i think to boston whatever that highway is and there's a lot of construction and there is no way they go and i and i had the globe is and and i had no no other choice so i told the boys i rolled up my socks or may jeans and i basically sat in my pooper half hour and that's true story and you know had a move get to get to my condo somehow with all the work crowd coming through and i made it up but it was a it was embarrassing i i just think it's funny how you rogers socks up over gene was gonna come out it's smart though right yeah i guess i think of it smart as as as as bad that situation you think to do that well i just sitting there you go on second at the worst possible thing don't get stopped by cops don't get an accident like i'm i'm i'm thinking of the worst things you're socks right killed keep keep the keep the damage the minimum i dunno i like that a deer some great commercials he did in philly yeah i did some at mcdonald's commercial a slow back then had the flow yup were you were you seen as like a handsome guy like a ladies man i mean like you know i'm gonna kill myself handsome but i did okay i mean 'em we had a young team so there's a lot of young girl following team back then for sure what's the scuba diving thing in washington ashamed don't a shamed i'm a regular shane does ray were donors on ice i'm following him well donors for some lexa take the launch shaw yeah he could go forever go forever so now he comes off i go on there is a whistle good i'm coming off right the whole lines coming off so i i was bussing donors balls they go i called scoop steve i know there's a there's a cartoon scuba steve and i did this whole scene of a scuba guy doing the you know going back and i did in the dressing room or on a cooler and it's it's funnier the way i did it and look at the guys lost it before the games on the funniest things ever so that's why donor donor go read faces saint louis read donors you know donor that smile allowing users all night just talk he's a nice guy talk i'm sorry i'm like you know i'm joking around but i'm really not joking around because i'm a veterinarian like hey donor get the fuck off yikes europe differ admitted like let's let's keep it at least a forty forty five seconds who who ran the show in the dressing room like who who is always on who is the best service rona if you're talking about jappie in in pittsburgh was pretty ruthless but murderers row is a is a piece could shocks j r a dallas stray myself self in anytime somebody walked in the room he got it so jimmy mackenzie who is one of the toughest guys league jimmy mack was a great guy jimmy mack there's two two doors that they america he was going to other door so he would he wouldn't wanna make i had i contact with this because it was a pretty good then he has he's still young at the time is that well i mean i yeah he's young but he's a tough guy but he was still nervous he he's the woman who has absolute massive ranch yeah like i donor told me it's it's like a baby's arnold and apple yeah don't donor donor told us around the pod a i don't know if he made us take it out i'm pretty sure it got captain but he like he had to do a double take where he likes fake the first time you ever saw hid like fake to go back and get something it'd be like there's no way i just saw something like a shot or something yeah i mean a maniac i still i could tell you and and then his daughter listen to the podcast and then ran into we goes now i gotta hear about my old man's ranch oh man he he mentioned one more thing about bird dog guy is greg greg smith greg saying yeah he had a tough couple of years in philly there's a story about a guy pulling a knife on so axios him in craig ruby coming over in montreal actually come in on the they're coming home in a in a guy pulls a knife on those guys and chief probably the toughest guys ever play with the best chance to win the stanley cup as a coach great guy he's with bird dogging okay okay buddy take these were out of here he looks at bird dog bird dog such rapid is a suit coat around his arm starts swinging at the guy okay buddy you wanna go let's go and he's swinging his arm at the guy and she's like holy cheese this guy's crazy oh yeah greg smith swinging this thing and the guy drop the knife and ran true story in montreal which is crazy on the ice yeah yeah he's crazy i mean you know he he saudi one a lot more fights they but he would fight but he was a he was a great personality for dresser so we gotta think shame don't he brought some heat there for me that was a couple of a couple of gratulations i liked abrasive on the owner but you know okay now i can say oh not good man in this woman's from walt that bug eyed bastard play golf with talkies hubcap capra ball my new lows and say that he says i marked the ball three feet ahead okay so which is funny because louisa brush ask their how'd you juanita tee up a story golfing with j are and how you'd always find his ball ten fitch air founder ceo jared hit one ashley i got images of great golfer though he is a really good golfer but back then jared would be like you hit a ball you know from from north scottsdale so the so scottsdale and he'd be like a let me go well legal fight it and then we'd be in the fairway wherever and then we hear like all of a sudden sound edge and he hit at the same time he said found it and it was on the green like so that was a story about chair you know in houston take a bad rap would that deals throwing the ball down a desk that's where lose going without kind of like the hubcap ball marker yeah but that wasn't true though a blog i never marked i i she ran into a wall recently and he said he won't he won't play golf round that's over two and a half hours longer than that he won't golf yellow if you if you if you set up a shot or set about putting more in like ten seconds he'll he'll walk right off the course yeah which is i mean that's like a i i need at least a couple of practice wings well listen here's my thing i've been i've been i played golf maryland new back in pittsburgh those guys those guys play we play for so we play it three hours and ten minutes that's quick three hours and ten minutes is quick and i think that's the way golf should we played anyways me personally i just don't like four and a half hour as i know where it's coming from he wants to get in the bar you know that's a halfway house while i'm i'm shooting a hunter twenty shots or whether it'll definitely take at least four hours on these ones from lou reed abroad since were were already on this topic where we get near coaching career a so ludicrous fought you kelly kelly burger told him a to grind them up all game he wasn't playing with a new book he said he doesn't fight anymore he's a bowl school he forty eight forty nine tux that year so i abusing for two periods and he snaps first shifted the third he hit me with so many left i begged for right learned a valuable lesson that they don't grab a tiger even older one that that by the tail yeah i was a true story that she came back though a movie grab me through a good haymaker and kind of miss me we fell down but a you lose one of my close friend great guy but yeah he was all game grinding me grimy and i i did snap is i i snapped he he also said the tell he was asking about this special stick that used to using the penalty kill little bit little bit harder little firmer css switcher stick once well with a big one yeah and uses crosscheck guys that and a couple of other things yeah yeah yeah yeah but you were golfer illegal curves pick the score you go back when he could lack a little bit more right you could crush like a little bit more a so you know why not use the vintage and you know it hurts that that crush it right above the but like i said i have assist on my arm from across russia area where the where the shoulder adam yellow pad don't don't meet exactly and that's that's where you want it back then it for sure hundred percent some tips for you youngsters out there ever go back to the old style playing a firm rick talk it here 'em he used the term this year that he really like you used it on a on air com players sticky he's a sticky player what what's the the the background behind that i just i just like that term you go in the corner you know in that pocket and you try to get it's it's just sticks to the guy you you don't know how he's doing it but why is that puck always you know crosby sticky player like he's the ultimate sticky put lines of you army yarder sticky yeah they know how to position their body they know where the pressure is coming from you know you and the puck rolls off his stick somehow gets back on their stick 'em i like sticky players we need we need more of those guys they you know you look at today's playoffs right now the team that has puck possession used wins the game or has most of the chances that puck possession is you just don't throw that puck away be sticky player come out of the park with it or or at least create some stalemate they'll make so you gotta have some help committed help you in a interesting i'm gonna i'm gonna steal that farrar broadcasts all right yeah yeah for sure man i mentioned i'm actually gonna have them removed this part i'm gonna start using it and when you say interviewing talks all that last one from the boys are this is on from jaguar ask about when i hit in his locker and scared the shit out of them that suggests prankster grand another great guy like a great locker room guy a switch air would go in the walker you open you're locking pursuit you know he's in my life you know he he must have been in there for ten fifteen minutes be as i remember was getting a coffee us talking the trainers and even in there for so long like when this guy come and then he came out he just screamed yeah you gotta be pretty good really good actually scare the hell would you would you give me all shaw though the coffee what's why he'll tell you the copy went flying on my suit oh yeah i went everywhere the coffee went flying on my suit a little pissed off but i mean hey that's that's part of the high drinks in the in the locker room so you end up going back to philly to finish off you're career a bit of a different scene they're all of a sudden you had those big boys like the legion of doom and you know what was it like playing with those guys you know all of a sudden you're deteriorating was a frustrating not be able to accomplish opposite things on me i said you had been in the past differ all right biz deferral and i tell the players this so it comes across roads right now thirty eight justin williams simone gun you they're taking my job so am i gonna be grumpy veteran that's gonna be an asshole those guys where am i just gonna embrace it and go your boys you're gonna have to take my job i'm gonna work even harder to this day like justin's those real close friend of mine there's some old guy on you like if you talked to those guys i hung out with those guys remember took those guys are wing i love hangover those guys and they took my job that's just the way it was but i had to be a different type of teammate 'em you know i had to be that veteran guy i'd in played in play 'em something i learned and i try to tell these older guys that are you know maybe it together career but they could still be a valuable guy you know don't be that grumpy pissed off guy and you know the rookie this rookie that look at charlie other down of you size interview you know i'd already been awesome i mean i really enjoyed it slowing down and you know we have to you have to be a little bit critical in the podcast 'cause we have to of course we have this speak are minor intel it how it is but a a man just the comments about his leadership and how important everything else is put in but he said the first year player we treat him just like normal like it listen you're gonna have some young guys at the cocky and they don't know the rules early and you might have shown some and i was taught practice you know if a guy's cocky and this is where you gotta make sure almost one on one drills play a little harder against the guy that's that's the ways to teach kids a taco you know but i do like char what he said and i i tried to do that rule and in philadelphia do they make her yeah he's setting a great example what the off i stopped working out how he eats just everything's a total packaging and although he's deteriorating a little bit just having around just rubs off on all these younger guys were they're gonna end up taking those habits and not get into the coyote just yet as far as the coaching standpoint but i feel like john almost since that type of guy where you know he's got those experiences cops he knows what it takes to win but off d i c just like the way he dresses presented himself the way he speaks the people the way he worked out how he very very professional guy 'em low maintenance low maintenance you know eleven o'clock proud were do okay this is where they do now don't get me wrong and i and i've tried it and you know i think he's a little nervous around me maybe i intimidated or something but i told me if you feel weak and change something they like hey talk maybe chef practice this time we do this that i welcome that if he's he's been a lot better with that would be i think he's more you know like sometimes they're scared of talk to you right because you maybe you're intimidating i dunno i don't want to intimidate i want i want them to come up with a good you got a good answer a good a good way of doing things come up i have no problem with it just make sure that you have good bullets that's all i'm asking yeah no in in in that's probably have some veterans around that you can communicate with 'cause you need to know what the other guys want as well the guys who may might be a too afraid to call up and say yeah of course so you got right into coaching in in colorado as an assist out did you did you always nukem no coming out of your career that you wanna do that i did when i retired i wanna take some time off i wanna just do my thing and then about around january pure i i you know i you know i i need structure my life and i just said i mean i i gotta do something so a purely quad called me a tony granada and in january as assistant coach a tony took over as head coach sharing a man look at the team we peter forsberg joe sakic alex tanguay hate duke a rod blake adam foot i mean i wasn't all that team was a hell of a team so i got the learn to work with some star players as as just come as a thirty nine year old a you know thirty nine i think at the time were forty whatever that really i enjoyed that that i get that kind of helped me progressive the coach of learning how to deal star players man that is crazy how many people that you've been associated with through you're hawk yeah rear ended a coaching i mean like just like patrick wa being jesus special voters are goalie was was a difficult keeping the separation of maybe not hanging out with these guys off the ice because you know they're they're europe player they could be respected you you know you you you've played played over a thousand games they knew you were did you hang out with the mafia a little bit you know what it's not like a hungry like if i if i was in a in a in a in a restaurant or bar at the bar there there i wouldn't run out of there i mean i'd have a beer with a guy or i talked to the guy or but you know sit there for fifteen swimming but it's not like you know hey boys where we going i didn't do that but i just don't you know i just think they respect you if you just become normal normal i you know i don't think you have to have that persona that you know you gotta separate the coaching the player obviously they understand the players smart nowadays they they know what's what's going down 'em so yeah i mean i just i just wasn't normal around players whether it's head coach her as a as a player yet a small small stint as an assistant with a with gretzky when he was in a in phoenix 'em obviously play with and we really dive into that too much i'm more concerned about you went on the tampa you're in assistant under berry melrose and then he ended up getting fired tired early on in the one season and you ended up taking over as head coach yeah yeah early on it's just a that was a weird orange cool snl any better with the new owners there it didn't work out you know they ownership didn't work out as kind of a little bit of a shit show there those my first head coach instant 'em so the one thing i did put hang my hat on i i really enjoyed working marcy louie great guy a steve stamkos scores might my first year as a full years coachee scored fifty goals for me i mean he was great i actually put him steve down in a in a why say louise outlined was great for me we're actually really i i remember they also were seven games over five hundred that team is really proud of it and then some shit happened we changed coaches there's a little disagreement with a bright line the gm and things just internal well and then i ended up getting fired odd year relationship stamkos a he he passed a milestone i think is a white leading goals are leaning points for the tampa bay tragedy sure shit yeah phoenix is playing against arizona used and he ended up pointing to you that relationship being from belton barry melrose making those comments if the kid not being ready and then you taking over you know just like talk talk me through that like what was that relationship like in in in order to grow a the hardest part for me is is i i i did want stanford play every game when i took over i remember i said do it and i just set of values using competitive kid you know he's been he's a star player right all through his life and i said listen i want you to play to like around two of every three games some of the games on where you work out with gary robert luxuria gear officer team but you know google docs another legends great guy right rob's just a great guy and i talked to rob's about this he goes i got him i got him and so i just i remember stanford play they scored a bunch of goals down stretchy strivers confidence he scores fifty next year so i think it was a tough pill swallow i knew his dad back then to his he's the family friend great great great guy i love him a great great family right and the rest is history so we have a we have a good relationship being said i'd lost touch obviously 'cause you're coaching and i'm doing my whole thing but definitely wanna one of my favorite players did you have any any funny stories of all bugsy malone we we we have him on the podcast sometimes he's a ladies man good looking guy like have a good time yeah bugsy a bugsy except maybe a little bit too much time i'll tell you what i like bugsy and a i i don't think he really cares share this i i was hard on i really he played some games to me and i'm gonna man this guy is eighty two ways one best two way players in the league for me i go and i remember that some games he just wasn't there a weather's party and i i don't know maybe party too hard i dunno i remember i was hard on and i and i we we're out of here really go back out with me but i went out and pretty hard and i remember we had a alumni alternative for five years ago and i saw bugsy bugs you talk to her right you know i wish i listen to a little bit more bugs he was a good fricken hockey player he's i still think there's another level there and i you know i think that if he was just a little more serious i think he could he could have been a lot better hockey players but he is a good hockey player and we had a little bit of a run insure but i love bugsy great guy you had like cavalier they're to want us yet on vinnie vinnie the you said that the lamborghini parked out in front honor the venue a i mean we gotta talk about your time in pittsburgh i've gotten about fifty messages about asking about phil kessel so we will get to him you talked about experience it you got early on as an assistant a you know no stars and just seeing how to manage them bob harley was the coach of the time i imagine that he was a little harder than what you would have been as a head coach but you you you you go over the pittsburgh and you and you have this these teams that are just stacked in you have crosby in geno very similar to like the lemieux and you auger let's hang let's hang like what would what would you like a primary one of the most while obviously when you went to cops it's it's it's it's it's unreal 'em mike sala came as head coach good friend of mine i really learned a lot of their him and then i learned a lot of the players i i really think the players look at you and they testy right there there ask questions and they want you better have some answers to these guys sidney crosby crosby ask you a question about us face off player this you better have some of the jet answers and sometimes i go sit i dunno man i'm like i goatee here's one more this like he would he would taxpayer call me at nine o'clock and say he talked about his face off play and i go said said i haven't seen it yet but i'll you know i'll make sure in the morning i got there early and i made sure i looked at this i wanna make sure i buy the answer facility crosby a fabulous got workforce by the way i'd i'd unreal time maybe he maybe a better coach for sure 'em unreal guy i really really enjoyed we really enjoy coaching him gino's a little different is any gino a early on i want to kill but we i didn't really get along with gino early my personality i don't know why he's a he's an awesome guy deep down so saying that i remember this and i share the story very often but you know communique but not really much with me and we're playing florida in in in foreign forcement on men in the game before gina lost his man they scored a goal and it happened happened twice before on the road trip and we were playing for the same thing happens sally stock you telling get a muscle gino comes bench and i and i don't yell as assistant coach i don't believe cisco should you know that's that you're more of a threat more friends or whatever i i believe the head coaches asshole then you could be a good guy if the if the head coach is being a real good guy then you could maybe be rational dopey in the same as head coach that's what i think is just a coach anyways gio comes off and i go i go talk to him and he basically asked me in russian basically snaps on me or i i'll tell you what i'd never lost it in my life like you did this in in all the coach and fifty years on the bench i snapped out of i i i i'm not gonna tell you what i said it wasn't nice 'em but the fit my favorite part this whole thing i snap that i mean you know he's he's you know he's out there and i gave it to him so he goes talk td's and i i didn't take it easy and then castle looks at me goes talk i got 'em dory levi center he was joking around leave my son home alone i go hey cast you fuck to an eagles what did i do wrong what did i do wrong so he actually cast did a good job of diffusing the whole situation next days gino come up to me were proxy coach sorry coach then you're still talking message gino i'll go to war with iran you're helpless and since that day i love gino like a you know there's just a little bit of thing we had the go through but man he wants some he he played some great games for the penguins that kid he he's a bit of a bully but similar mentality keenan where if you go back out on i think yes more respect for you i believe that an an an and i i mean i i got along with a very well he's a funny guy he's funny guy so he does it in the comic away will come up to the front of the line it'd be like give the back line yeah take you're puck away just call you by your number and said i name now i've also heard from other guys that they they they sit down at rookie parties halfway through the year story and then and then name the guy he he didn't know con issues that brian rust know his name i mean we just won the cup you're for these guys that rookie party son adam girlfriends who say my name what's his first name connor sherry a a sure z suzy's that's which is i dunno rusty rusty did notice him so he laughing and oh yeah he might not even know my name today gino probably does know rick talking deepest cosby talk i think a funny but yeah the only edge but obviously i mean his hall of fame you know he's a top underplay come on a material is a great guy great guy a year relationship with villa castle so many people want story of phil kessel 'cause you guys had a good time together on the one story i gotta ask you about in particular is before i think to his game six seven in the washington series and they were playing sewer ball chin ups okay so i'll take it over yes i got my suit on an a you know i got my suit on for what game in what series game seven playing the washington capitals game seven in the second series is the second series a you know it's you know it was a hell of a series you know it could go either way and guys were playing a dinner balsam geyser stretch in this some guys had their headphones you know the the the you know there were the washington's drink there's there's a lot of action so phil sit on the sits on the trainer stays talking he's you know he's giving it to me about something what's the game plan tonight talk guy which you coaches got going on what do we split like he did that right joke around it and i said you know as well i go cash if i played nowadays i just bury egos you're not that tough you're not that strong i said i could in my suit right now do fifteen chin ups right now in my suit and you know how much i so i think there's a three hundred and five hundred bucks or whatever i so whenever you want that phil i'll bet you five hundred so all of a sudden he's gonna come on boys talks gonna do all of a sudden all the guys come around and i did i'd actually sixteen chin ups at least one of these long filled with a suit on suit on so phil takes off comes back and peels off five hundred five hundred bucks when the coaches room and went back the power play and then you guys ended up winning the game one of the game yeah i think that lighten the mood or no i mean that's the stuff that i enjoy certain players that team needs personality infill brought that i mean it was a very serious group before he got there and show lighten the load i gotta give a lot of credit he he did bring a personality to that room a do you have any other funny fell castle stories if people were just absolutely begging for a wall fills shows like i said phil i'd i'd i'd come in the morning then you know so you say hey you talked to fill about something so i remember 'em fell come on and go kmoxcom hospitals talking hated when they office watch video like this you know but don't get me wrong very student the game he's had approach in different ways and i remember talking to fill in and you know he's passionate about something and i let event whatever he was bitching about and i'm like why you don't phil we gotta make sure this is not and he's gonna attack whatever and then all of a sudden change the subject right i go hey phil i said a see that a world series of poker did you see that a guy make that movie had aces or whatever on the flop and he knows poker better than i do he goes did you see that play out yeah did you see that play he should have done this you should've saved the verdict attention to what we were talking about and then i go i gotta go sell you have a meeting right now and then he'd get up and then i feel just make sure practice you know we do this you know make sure on the one on one drills no problem from any walkout so the basically philly if you talk about some stuff he doesn't wanna talk to hockey twenty four seven he wants talking about some other stuff right but if you incorporate the hockey in there you know you're gonna get us full attention so you're talking about poker then bring back the hockey yeah yeah yeah and then but still you know filters through the game like he gets a bad rap is not a phil kessel is not a you know he's not a bad guy the coach everything's is a coach kelly is not my soul is one of the best coach the league at focus was a hell hell of a hockey player so they both doing something right so you know a lot of the stories are true and a some stories could be true but i know for one thing the logo both those guys one is cops on i i wanna get the arizona coyotes you hired as head coach in you know maybe you're you're first ending goes well is expected were you were you nervous getting a job and then right away that their first season it was a rough start over intense right we're gonna win a game in regulation regulation the first twenty twenty twentyone games of the season or what i was talking about we'll see busy it into the homework we'd be filling over all settled in regulation of only one out before after that you you you regulations shirt i think it would be twenty twenty two games there's such thing that i'm listen i thought in my eyes on you a quick story for all you people it is so this is my first year doing radio yeah and you know i'm i'm still shocked me you know i'm not great on that very polished sure in its first you're separation the game i still got a lot of buddies on the team well it was a tough start and i'm trying stroke these guys off as much as possible but there ain't much destroy gop vote when you're when you haven't won a game in regulation twenty games and yeah that's a tough job so we going affiliates they were gonna first one and regulation were up two nothing nothing no to to you gotta maybe do you're fucking google homework to nothing you wanna bet my five hundred this phil kessel five hundred to five hundred bucks to nothing and then they tied it and we won three two in overtime in alex go ask you go go oh i better score back and i said you know that's okay you bet no bad memories better go ahead go ahead well the the payment you coming on the podcast okay so they score one guy whatever there's no way they're gonna score to indiana fucking tie ended up with i think like fifteen twenty seconds left and i couldn't even call a goal 'cause they start a season is done so poorly and i i just froze up on the radio and i was like guys i don't even know what the say heater i i i'm freezing up right now it was uncomfortable but lucky enough alex going god he ended up getting set up i think by clayton keller and we won the game in overtime so back to you and in that start start estimate how well it was held but i i gotta get john shake a lot of credit after the losses were piling up he came up to me after a game and he said that don't change as saying i love you system i love the way things are going the results are there and i remember when he gave me that you're using gm's like hey you better we're losing like andrew had member we were up we'd be up to the one and they would score you only out shooting teams like ten and we lose right just fine as we just don't know how to win right at the you know when we will i guess i understand that but when john said that to me trike a m it really gave me a a confidence boost it's just stick with it you know it gm could have said hey what do you doing when you were up go one for dump the puck i'll do this and then you're out questioning why why you know why you overplayed starting over playing the guy don't play this guy don't play this young guy they situations he'd ever seen at one time and i think that was the reason why we have turned things around here is because of leadership group from a top he's done a nice job of of i've really galvanized and and let me do my job with that communicator early on where where it's gonna be more conversational because he's he's fairly analytical analytically base and even to use this year as a reference when the 'em the trade deadline came up you guys had a conversation about whether you're gonna buyer sell and you know and you like the chemistry so it seems as though he's very receptive to you're ideas and in what you wanna say yeah john's very very level headed headed guy 'em you know of analytics big analytics but doesn't shut down my throat 'em i'm a little bit more of a heated guy after game you know were in the culture of my little pissed off and we lost you know what you know i get this guy did this in john's you know sits there and very calm we we might lose six nothing you know it's very calm guy we win six nothing he's not he's not or in the ranks like a very and i think that really helps the you know the chemistry of are room because you can have all the fiber talk it's so i mean ripping the the walls down after game where you have to have those guys have some common sense so we talk about stuff rv i talked to john at least twice a day just about you know he he's always looking he's obviously get better and he knows the you know we've you know his sometimes he's got his hands tied you know and i and i respect the fact he'll tell me you know we gotta go through we can't do this because of this and i understand that so i i liked the fact that he communicates with me are tons of success success this year despite all the injuries a i actually voted for you for coach in europe but you're number one i mean that's a little while people might have launched me on lifer that i'll give it a five hundred but based on demand games lost a you know what were spending towards the captain the players you had available that were injured like just talk about the year was fucking crazy yeah never seen anything like it the knee injuries in everyday some the trainer come about this guy's this guy's three weeks this guy then i'll be honest i went home one this was like a thick who went down it might have been a rent it could have been the mirrors and then schmaltz maybe at the smallest officers that was smoltz came in he seven those games fourteen point right finally there with our players going cause him intel's had chemistry and yet different all right you're right you're starting to pick up again and then when he went down it was just i remember going home and i'm like you out of your mind this is like what what the hell they get like what's going on here really and i just remember from old coaches and old players and just people that positive people that i've talked to people that talk today is like hey man get some energy that rank get these guys a practice hard and see what happens and i gotta give the one thing i heard about this team i love is their energy level even if we get blown a six nothing win their next day a practice i can vary that's one thing when i came here biz i didn't like the way these guys practice there's about three four months stretch i didn't like the way i you know i told oliver over in i i love all there we have a great relationship early on i go i don't like the way this team practice i said you're one of those guys have to start to pick up the pace 'em into this date are team practice hard as anybody i've ever coached or played against for sure i felt that you know you're when you start oldest coach here i don't know really what happened i think all of us thought he was gonna get the sea and then i dunno who wandered away a little bit i think that through a mafia sharp he'd gone through a death in the yeah exactly it seems like you maybe have the utmost confidence in early on like a light switch because he had an incredible year last year played a little bit through injury and was probably the the one guy who did technically stay healthy it in the lineup who lead this team yeah you know what you learn a lot about yourself as a coach how you approach certain players a oliver is a different type of guy you know he's not yell and scream you know i wanna take a yeah yeah yeah him in an amazon very close so they have the same personality 'em when i got here i just wanna see what's what's going on here i just i i didn't wanna give out anything and i just wanna see what what's going on a i don't know if anybody promise i promise oliver captain says maybe somebody i don't know promise of anything and i think maybe that kind of rubbed the wrong way and he got off to a bad start he wasn't he wasn't good his first forty eight we're we're tough time i didn't like the way practice and since christmas of last year not this year that just passed so you're talking the last hundred and twenty games he's played a very he's played excellent hockey for me and he's in what he's done his last thirty games he's become the captain that i want and he's been he's been very influential a lot of stuff that i've got scott across some players and i had a meeting with at the end of this year i'm not gonna get it divided into devolved into it but what he said to me in the meeting i knew i go this guy's this guy's gotta i gotta i gotta you know he said there's a couple of situations he wished he just did some different as a coach and i told i don't think so i think he did a good job but he really believes they could have been forceful and something and when he said that i really it just hit home at home thinking about it and he cares he cares about oliver like from the number one guy the number twenty one guy and you're roster i don't think a guy could say a bad word like you know i play the game i mean i'm sure some guys a team at this fricken talk it over it's like shane don't everybody like she likes ojo but those those guys have to understand they have the power sometimes you might have the rubber guys a the wrong way you might have to tell the guy practice or or you might have been on a one one drill you might have to take this guy in front of that and play hard against some just a show that hey this is this is unacceptable and i think all of us really got it he really has a you know as a as a of a worker of the arizona coyotes i'm excited to have you on this team's definitely going in the right direction on maybe even get a few free agents in here and if you need a fifth line left winger just let me know i'll i'll let you put in contact with the agent but i wanna end things a some fan questions okay just some quick ones here 'em well this one we kind of went over he said we'd like to hear about his relationship relationship and development stamp crossman stammer had his tb franchise recor goal this year that's where they pointed over yeah he pointed over to posing benches very cool moment so we kind of went over that but yeah you guys still keep in contact today a you know if i metron or something i actually see his father mother i do stammer but you know it because you know he's in tampa like and i got my thing going you don't you lose touch but the good thing about these guys when you see him it's just like it's just like have you seen the guy everyday it's that's one thing i enjoy about that all right the next question who's the top the son of a bitch she fought well i'll read it out the toughest s o b he fought while in philly appropriate gotta give the king there's you know some kudos he was a one tough guy very tough on this is kind of a follow up question how did he mentally managed to base his game to be physically and offensively beneficial what the point production to the pence a so i would try to use intimidation and and there's different ways intimidate right speeds skill physicality fighting whatever and i knew that if i could somehow intimidate like i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna be on toppy all night i may fight that might get some extra room i might get that extra tap in make it that extra second with the puck 'em so i used that to my advantage for sure very interesting a favorite memory of mario end or younger we haven't talks about you auger much yards the guy dogs a mariel a coming back from cancer first game in philly at the spectrum heated rivalry boots got booed every time you play they hated him standing ovation i who i had tears in my eyes 'cause i played in that building and the ruthless right great fans but they gave him a standing ovation down that's in time you know i'm i'm a motion one guy gillam all four right now jogs you auger yeah go into twenty first birthday party in pittsburgh as i just got traded there and i went to any invited me just and there is is that the sports guard i remember that a which i think the place holds a thousand people in there was actually nine other girls there nine hundred and fifty one guy charles an me i was there 'em ask him about the time when they were taping don cherries grapevine him in marty mcsorley almost got into a fight and it was on in don cherry book a mardi mardi mcgee is good for advertisers have lost touch with my butt and i put it in writing we talk about tough son of a bitch talk about a a great teammate but mardian mcgee is one of those guys he knows everything and we kinda i kinda called emoting he didn't like that and you know we kinda it wasn't i don't think it was too serious wasn't i wasn't serious but you know i don't think i'm right on dress it up a little bit on dressed up a bit yeah yeah on next one why the hell did he where joe full bucket in pittsburgh for the money oh they're paying guys back oh yeah yeah the cover off by the way i had some guys on the team that you see on me hey what do you warm and you know you warming up merrill's helmet form i used to get that a lot mary world war two so guys will give so you know what sometimes i say back why turned around the guy who's using the guy we hit tiny skates up that even though you never sides had used under the bed a shit but a lot of guys had some guidelines though a basketball breaking his job with the pens and the playoffs and scoring two goals a yeah broken jaw mariel dump the puck and hit me in the face 'em that that i'll tell you what this is painful i got admit broken jaws painful 'em and then i put a put a helmet on played so so you know what charles going through right now yeah yes when you when you say how like like you can you can't shoot and you just try the year nutritional stuff in in you can't literally shoe so a lot of stuff in blenders i mean for three weeks my food was a blender you know whenever i ate chicken broccoli a spaghetti it's in a blender and you're drinking like a god it's it's a man you know you you drink like a smoothie all right sorry i got a little distracted there on this one we might not keeping i dunno how sensitive the subject at whatever is what was it like to lose a teammate midseason the goalie pele and then or yes in nineteen eighty five flyers 'em we lost pelly a really hard on this 'em in mike keenan that is the team over his house for two days straight he made sure we're there all day and we we talked about it and i think that really helped therapy at the therapy therapy of her team because it really hit us hard what happened a he he had a porsche any crashed in a in a wall going about a hundred and twenty miles an hour on yeah terrell yeah yeah you guys have the capitalism games we actually had three days before next gamer four days before next game those coincidental that we had four days off and two days we actually we sleep we so we got a mirror at my keenan's house he had the whole team over his wife was instrumental to we're at twenty one year old kids right yeah as nineteen twenty years old and i just you know i didn't know what the do you know it was it was it was a tough part she's 'em next one dizzy miss those long flowing locks flying in the breeze outside of his lead yeah i do that's down the drain man she don't mind the ball look you know i don't i don't mind it i don't mind it i do like your tougher but i do like i do like they used to like the the hair eighty seven cadillac cup with the boys one of the i mean i i we have enough time applied scott i i got through in mark messy and when he gets you walk out of here mark messy aid first my first roommate and then i keenan mckean and then he and then i remember the rescue the rest of the paul coffee i'm sorry so the three guys today at park i mean i i don't talk to mark messy but paul coffee and wayne gretzky revealing what am i to closest friends today but i got to a room or the maxi wayne secretly dayton janet jones at the time so i i knew that and he just keep it quiet like the papers they even know that yet so and i knew she would hang in a room and stuff absolutely that come by and say hi the one time she came in i'd hide the playboy issue long all the pages like oh hers that she was a playboy oh but you tell her that i used to tell her that to a today she knows that you actually had the mac i had the magazine because i i'm i'm room with wayne and he was he was he was whether somewhere else in my room and i went down the lobby i thought the playboy wanna see and she kept him in her came up i you know whenever a couple of hours later and i'd hide it is on the nightstand i just kind of votes seville oh yeah they know they hilarious she loves it she she she's awesome 'em are you aware that you're the all time leader in gordie gert gordie howe hatrick yeah how many you got a think eighteen i think he's christ like eighteen a wreck a is a hotdog a sandwich no okay that was some guy wrote that a pretty much it's just all phil phil kelso questions if everybody loves filet every los villas so they they want they want the craziness there's a thank you for doing this is awesome some great stories i know it ran a little bit long on anything else you wanna say no the reason i'll tell you the reason i did this one is you i swear to god and number two is my kid gives you the big fan of you guys he loves you he loves spit in check let's see loves barstow 'em he's a big fan so when i told him he was like are you kidding me those one is and stuff like that so he you two guys the reason i did it i would've done it whenever you know i dunno wendy that well i you know i'm sure he's a good guy would have done it all which are great and a but what's a bit of a kick year though the were were more trenches guy he's more snap it around on the point just looking good feeding said backdoor oh is he the perimeter guy which the perimeter guys much of a scrapper but but man this is awesome people are gonna love it thank you for coming in in best of luck next season and as i said before it's awesome having his part of the arizona coyotes a you're the man thanks buddy appreciate this fucking earth that interview is also brought to you by peleton live is men's health call the peleton bike the best patio machine on the planet let's break it down gift find a workout that keeps you in gauged peleton is an immersive patio experience with real time features that will always keep coming back you work up a great sweat at home for less than the cost of a studio class with the contact for by two size the peleton bike and fit and 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doing the same exact thing coaching and they only they only unfortunate thing about the entire interview is that it wasn't after he acquired boy fell on all but it's it makes sense of how he talked about how much he liked i'm not a you helped bring him over obviously checking new the connection action there and he thinks he could help bring this team over the edge and provide that easy on offense offer this coyotes team so exciting times and coyote land and a look at foreseeing filling the casino jersey easy gotta talk to those talk like i bet you he was a complete beauty in the locker are very involved in in in i i was surprised at how when he was considering you know he's in nhl coach on the podcast talk the way he was talking but like that's like that's what people want that's not true years in in you obviously didn't say anything bad he spoke from the heart and a happy get that one one on one in arizona i got a few other ones like that i got tastes and nash and sean coming up a sean burke we did talk about dropping him on the tenth 'em which is coming up here which will be when we go down to one episode a week i know some people are you know are upset that we are going down and one episode a week but we need rest lease developed we used as i don't know episodes a week back when we first started so you know in one episode the weakest pretty good concern there's no hockey being played not held a lot the doctor yeah well oh speaking of hockey so i i get a little bit of feedback from my comments it's about the rangers in my sleep it on the rangers something they do you guys think that there are a playoff team next year i think there's a chance that they could make the playoffs i don't think they're winning the stanley cup but if if if lundquist is awesome canarian makes a huge impact and they got guys that are playing big roles at work before i mean trueba could make a huge impact defensively i i think that they could if they made the playoffs i wouldn't be shocked but it that we are at herself selfishly i wanna go in colorado and see what they could do if they had off fence spread out i mean you could break up that big line and put bread man maybe landis gog on the second minor or however they would have worked at maybe that was me thinking selfishly i just think new york was a was a playoff team coming up this year maybe a the following year but a rangers fans i'll concede maybe you guys are a playoff team next year i also don't think that this is my and yet but i don't think the pen aaron choosing them had anything to do with where he thinks they're like i wanna get leaving the new york giants are we supposed to be good i dunno but i'm planet that i think they've definitely become a trendy pick 'cause they are they've had outstanding someone you look at who who they've added and what they've added so yeah i think they'll make the playoffs where have you are sites have posted nhl stanley cup on jets and that you know she looked the other day i thought post july first there would nothing yet i think it's i remember last year was like beginning a camp beginning of training camp some popped up my sights weird are eight you made it i saw you you had a tweet about the florida panthers that you would potentially throw some money on them after their off season moves yeah absolutely solutely i mean i'm sure everyone else's they've done the same thing so their property donna fucking fifteen one but i mean the biggest maga last year was not having a a steady goaltending yoga one goes into the lottery and they went out and got but brosky so that's a that's a huge showing jack division is that divisions the best division in the league before the season if you look at i mean the boston toronto in tampa they're not going anywhere they're all gonna be good florida is much improved buffalo looks like they're gonna be better montreal should build build on what they did last year with a lot of young players so that's a very tough division deploying yeah even more parody it seems like so all right boys this fourth of july week weekend whatever you wanna call it now gonna bring back little all right hamilton little summer theme questions we ask why we've all right one so i have a little fun today as kind of a slow day solving a pop up a couple of these questions for the fellas let's go to whip the first time this one's from james side over seattle james settled sixteen twentythree says what you're best in worst fourth of july experience in our best chance a candidate for this all star to give you some time to think i think i have my worst but yeah go ahead walls probably this character that went on for days heater now i'm just not not feeling great i'm a i thought i woke up i thought i was the better it would just be sweating just getting all the demons out so no but in all seriousness juice i dunno i can't really many remember any bad experiences i say my best july fourth experiences when i went to the loopholes party i newport beach on his house right on the beach and in that those extra day i met larry flowers just i i don't often a celebrate break july fourth confusion summertime i'm back in canada and it just so happens that i flew down there and celebrated with those guys that must have been a lot of the girls at that at that party i really really usually run with a guy i wasn't jumping on land mines that they are a my battery life so many best it's the best holiday five shit like thanksgiving the july fourth after that 'em everyone seems to be relaxers it's a it's a data celebrate are country you know the united states of america already you know you're a resident in that country aunt the worst one i remember those like when i was young my father had like these bootleg fireworks works i went up to new hampshire and got him and he came back and he's like lighting him off the spy like nine o'clock in her front yard and one of those bottle rockets went like ten feet near took a ninety degree angle eternity for rocketing into no pun intended into the woods and he's like oh shit all of a sudden you saw this little fire pop up and we lift around like this could have been a huge fire so he sprinted into the garage and all i five and he just fills up this bucket of water like as quick as possible he's got no issues hawks over the rock lawn are front front lawn probably getting politicals up his asshole is he's running through the woods barefoot just like he dumps stillwater on this like little fire that it started from his rocket flying signs that it for the fireworks works is like okay i'll shut it down he is he he had cuts all overloads like panicking for a second that are house who's gonna burn down so i remember that one where like not a family that can do anything like that like we can't build anything we can't fix anything in house were not like handyman fireworks guys like i'll blow my my fate i'll blow my hand off that football player if i tried late in the firecracker paul yeah i'll tell you right now i'm the guy that sits back maybe as a beer and watches the guys on the barge light 'em off i'm not going near it so i i learned from my father the hard way that's a good segue wins in my worst experience i mean my best fourth of july guess it would just be the annual family pot i did area get drunk and eat lobster i guess collectively that will be the best but i had to for the worst and you just mentioned fireworks back in the day my stepfather used on a waterfront property boston and my brother lighting fireworks we're watching the big esplanade ones but my brothers off the side lighting and the thing went fucking backwards in a blow up like three guys so just a bunch of people pocket of watch fireworks it's somehow started a fire and one went up and then scored in the woods yet like they status i know bullshit i swear to god i'll get my brother to verify like blown away to eight is saying they status in like three caused by individually and then had a call the fire department and the funny part is i got blamed fought someone's like riley's albany those as brian the fight as typical could run with all these that shit i get anyone just the light any like what's the max and the type of firework work any civilian just light up grass down a certain down in scituate the two were recording on the third tonight they like everyone's on their own the town doesn't doom but you go to the beach and people you know decides brian little display and there's like multiple people out there doing so you end up seeing some very legit fireworks and i've said the same thing like can mark from down the road just like get like full blown esplanade fireworks and shoot him off mine a beach each if he wants to is that like is there has to be some sort of rule yeah the ones you see like a dsp out of the big city ones those you need special permits for those like everything's computerized to now dayton f and yeah it's it's it's pretty fucking elaborate and my second whereas actually it was twenty five years ago tomorrow to his july fourth nineteen ninety four i remember vividly ireland is playing the netherlands in the world cup and do you remember patty burks in town it used to be a fourth was open in what station which is our love and then but i know i know you're talking about well i had drank heavily the day before my family potty and we went up patty burks the watch be irish rockets team and all of a sudden i started seeing pop razzi lights and fucking boom boom boom i went down i think the by i woke got on the sidewalk outside fucking north asia patty backs surrounded by like thirty people like because dot all irish guys worked i gave him some oxygen gums orange juice they thought it was a diabetic having like a diabetic fit turns out i got fucking ambulance had a good take the wagons a mass general is i would lauren barest ending when i came to i knew what was fine i was basically dehydrated and that ended i took a pass and come to find out this thing it's like three other times i have this condition i guess where after i s i fucking faint it happened at three everybody wants yeah yeah but like the ambulance is put in a man and all of a sudden rh buddies like muscle and through the crowd is on hold on hold on i know what he needs just a monster gator line of law back at the guys like yeah guys are alive yeah busy at some weird blood pressure thing where it each time it happened it would it would be right after i pissed but it's funny before we went to the bar i smoked a joint and i'll never forget the last spot i had when i fainted as always go into the ground i was like oh no i'm gonna ruin it for everybody 'cause i thought it was dying and i thought like the we'd had something to do it and i thought they were gonna realize i smoked a joint and died so i was horrified but shot it would have been celebrating more fourth of july no one not a fucking we've is bad for so when i came to the ambulance guy was like he's like all right and i was like dude i smoke a joint i got that another doing those god thank god got amazon they hold fox speaking of fireworks how about this a little thing going on between done in in in sebastian host agent yeah this guy doesn't give a fuck kind of all about it so we mentioned that real briefly but we didn't really go i just all i said that was well done and say what a waste of time that offers keep us going after word there's a there is a little bit more drama and he made a comedy he said i could care less about sebastian all his agent it doesn't matter at all did you guys talk we talk about this last episode no no and then and then and then and then sebastian hosts agent just came back acworth like in any in any made a comment about him he goes up i've been called worse and i'll be called worse in the future like i really don't care and then then people were sending you a demo jeez of a demo jeez the what do you call those those gifts of the person on a couch wiping his cheers away with money but yeah like the the thought of a whole really wanting to play for the canadian didn't get out there till kind of after it all went down but there were there were reports like he doesn't really i shouldn't say doesn't wanna play carolina but he wanted to play in montreal so that's kind of what made sense but still done and he doesn't give a shit i mean if there's an order coming in first thing he says he doesn't wanna pay the scouts cell phone bills anymore he's certainly not giving fuck with anyone else does to a hope and more comments from this guy so we have some more topics of conversation on the podcast boys another one too is a chris butler a guy we spent some time with in great massive training camp ended up retiring yeah he he he announced his retirement he ended up playing for hunter and seven nhl games including a fifty eight with his hometown boost 'em and a dog out yeah yeah he's a great guy hang with their in those camps because heating ac like fun he brought us around town i didn't even realize till till i met him that he's from there so it's pretty cool you got to be a part of that team as they go on to win their first stanley cup clearly we never got your answer we are best and worst fourth of july experiences a about the pot my jersey shore cherry so i think i'm gonna have my best and worst fourth of july this weekend you say you gotta nearly nine she's got what do you think the odds are you get laid as opposed to getting knocked out himself or some type of like yeah like you actually getting after it or you getting dummy door cut or falling off a look i'm not making any more bats about me getting leg 'cause i that backfired in my face last time so i'm i'm i'll get knocked out was that one or maybe we need to like put incentive in front of you cannot have like injuries or drama like you any injury happened one time injury happened just one time many other times you could have been injured and lucky that you want no that's very true i promise i won't get injured this week all right quickly i 'em i saw was flicking through and you ashley alright hamilton's and one of them was like whoa is you guys summer jobs deals you have a summer job just about that one go ahead okay that's really that's really funny then where a were in each other's heads a i started right away because i had a paper wrote that was like my first job i do i took the role of bread around vernon road delivering the papers the patriot ledger which is like social boston paper and then saturday the paper be sticky shit i they hate it because you couldn't carry a mall you'd have to go back and forth so that'd be chocolate ammos fine at that but then i needed to make a little bit more money so i got a job is like a busboy at this restaurant cohasset it'll ring a what is the word it'll remain nameless just meet me not being able to remember the word remain is a is a tough start to the story but i was forced to go get a job you gotta make some money you gotta mix right okay i'll go down i drive my fucking bike as like fifteen years old drive my bike down dako has start this job i probably got there i'm gonna say four o'clock when i stroll roll back into my house at six thirty k how my dad goes what are you doing back in the house right now well what happened was i was so new i didn't know anything about restaurant industry i don't know anything about working i know anything legit so i have a huge tray of stuff that i'd taken off this guy's table is family actually that night a guy i wish i was already represented right say represented my family advisor or hockey group one of the guys at work there dinner with his family on my i'm supposed to be this guy's like quiet future indiana john i'm serving a bread right now what is going on so still i walked in outdoor which apparently at a restaurant is a complete no no a full blown disaster but at the same time i was walking indie outdoor kitchen there is a guy walking out of the kitchen with a tray with about four piping hot meals a couple of pasta dishes maybe some seafood gumbo muscles ditch dude adelaide this guy out like terry tate office linebacker nine lying the one everywhere i didn't go down i stood over over by alan iverson but either way it's like two and a half hours into my first day the guy's got i am so i got my bike and go home i lasted two and a half hours from my first real job after my paper wrote so neither said never worked against i signed my contract a man that's whitney in the hospitality industry tree that was not an answer is expecting today you can you talk back to the people know okay i quit on the same question this is some actual samuel shurmur rack i think that's i said you got a nice new a deep split on his advertise did you guys have a job but the someone you'll young get what we should job what did you do bitch for a summer job 'em i've had a lot of jobs a my first one was a paper out i've told the story i've had i had a weird a few weird experience is a bit on delivering papers all when i first started out ahead of do it a little bit away from my house because i i wasn't grandfathered in there is a a person already doing my crescent like my block area a so i went out the ride my bike i would say about like ten minutes and then start which way you mentioned it when you get the deck once it sucks 'cause i would i would have to battle through 'cause i wasn't gonna drive back another ten minutes and then backout 'em but one morning i had one of those those farts that wasn't actually farted withdrew ended up shit my dad i was so young and stupid when i go i finished my whole paper out which would lift without their parents roars i got home in for whatever reason instead of just throwing the get out i fucking stuck at the bottom of the laundry basket hoping my mom would like and then she and then she obviously was like yo why you want the whole street in just ruined the basket you ruined the whole laundry room they earn it so that was a brain fart 'em another issue what i what i ended up finally getting to come back over to a nearby place is they would make you do fires to and he wouldn't get you wouldn't get paid for these things and yet the delivery meadows once or twice a week and at one point i'm like fuck this man i get paid shit to go through these do papers in general so i started ditch and the flyers scumbag move no i don't blame you i actually think it's a great movie you're karen fucking flyers to ivy idaho but people need their discounts in in in that would grow pantsuit already has a million coupons i remember going to his house and we used to record the what are the type of guy who would have been the person complaining about the fact that he wasn't fired delivered now ended up getting boston you know who complained was the guy who paid for the flyers paul that the guys complained no i that's like an addition a you think they they charge extra for that fuck yeah that's advertising brother that's fucking how they stay afloat on those young like twelve years old so so i think that one i don't know how it happened but i think somebody saw me where i used to go ditch dumb and eventually a pile of accumulated in my got home and my mom called me out on it now is fucking shit my pants in in she made me she maybe bring her to the spot right that's dumb and i had to put it all back and a garbage bag and throw the maxwell trash which i should have been doing in the first spot spot and a lock that in get fired but my mom was so mad because you know it's kind of a scumbag moving it's a representation of her so i call the people from the paper apologize right and apology letter to all the people ice deliver the flyers to whatever and so that was that was my flow much would you pay to have him reid that apology letter allowed right now if he is mom still had it i'm pretty sure ask her to help me right it's an before we go any father i wanna talk 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steel and escalated well i mean there's this old man's dealership i mean i wasn't headlining the thing i was just the one like maybe back the dealer played or whatever not and a we we we've had we had some fun night's drawing and we were like strip clubs and stuff we were just beyond our years you know could you imagine a sixteen year old crews in the toronto what the escalated that like you said i mean technically it was stolen and intrusion of the strip clubs getting too many slides at sixteen years old i was like stone in my skates fun at sixteen just like releasing my wheels ready from my neck skate our conversation nerd is this what did you do a pool boy oh my god you little fucking rap pool boy you're a strike locales they probably had chlorine up to you eyeballs in the post posted take care at all i go around other people's the bulls including the whole really yes and i also put in pools in the summer like help build dumb i sucked at it i was terrible terrible at my house right now i also worked at a fisher on that terrible i smelled like fish all the time so i quit after like two months nice take i thought you guys the dot biz on what you would have had like cushy job just 'cause you know guys you think they're gonna go pro have a corrupt people take care of them i know one former nhl who did living in the city but he had relatives of didn't used used their address and he's the steel city could cushy jobs we went from under the bus though i had the same job basically for ten years like red shirts wet yeah like a city worker city workers you look you guys did less than anything you guys nothing wrong i know that whole scam you guys did you would pick up three pieces of trash a clean some park from like eight eight fifteen in the morning and then nap the rest of the night out dallas the green shirt job that with former pro i just mentioned he had cushy job no i had the rich richer sexy work now we had a clean out all vacant lots i did that fucking like ten years i did a twelve through college 'cause i work my way up the fucking became a what do you call it a supervisor and then when i retired from that job i was basically yom i would they had a newspaper a a newsletter that came we paycheck every two weeks and it was a fucking two sided i had two weeks to put together newsletters get paid like five hundred bucks a week it was a rocket by the time i finished that jogos racket so it's funny i actually know what am i good friends he he didn't have a job growing up and he comes from an unreal family amazing work ethic both of his parents like it wasn't for lack of like not needing a job and parents who don't make the kid there get kids get their job but he was playing so many sports he's playing all these different summer sports in his dad was like you're gonna have a job the rest year life when you're when you're when you're eighteen and after you know after college i just enjoy yourself right now and at the time it was like it's unreal for him but you look back and now this kids work ethic is great like it didn't affect him at all and it kinda like makes a little bit of i i would say the reason that i appreciate my parents now is because they did forced me to but they're like hey if you want spending money like were not asking shovel and over money in it and it taught me responsibility and it did give me a work ethic april you gotta get up at five o'clock in the morning before school and go do it my mind was in afternoon papers would come i was like i would at least get to do it after school but still like put my contract i deliberately evening edition i'm not getting up early well i mean i hope so everyone has a great fourth of the canadian listeners hope the first who's great a space had a hell of a time and everyone enjoy you're forced look let's stay safe out there and grown alley i really hope the good thing happens to you and jersey action the even the good thing that you might wanna wrap it up that could be a terrible terrible mistake on the jersey shore from the show i've seen in the past cauliflower grown offer car i know i think that mtv show has their own strain of fucking std by now a whole day academic socket banks to rick talking mikey i'm hoping we have a story coming out of this and based thank you very much you're doing that you're able to crush those by herself we appreciate it i mean you haven't heard yet i know but i know how good you are a fee so have a great weekend everybody match you know being a law law man level rears dry more than a million dollars to stay in america america a

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My show phony Friday or mark. Show O'Brien show lecture land and gets to Talk about something. They're passionate about so Kale. Welcome to felony Friday. Hey how's it going man good to have you here man and You know we talked a lot about you. Know what you wanted to do with the show and the shows already been recorded re recording this intro. After the fact but I wanted to kind of set it up and what we're going to focus on here is policing but more specifically some of the content interview is is talking about really how to talk to police and I know you're particularly passionate about that and I thought maybe at the beginning here if you kinda share you know just kind of I guess. First of all just police in general. Why is that something? You're interested in and specifically how to interact with police in the best way in order to get the best outcome well of had a significant amount of interactions with police officers in my in my life and most of them haven't gone well and a lot of it was the cops attitude but I think a lot of it was also how I interacted with them in a I didn't take the time to escalate it or try to have a conversation with them. You know. It was just combative the whole time. I think that's a. That's the wrong way to go at an interaction with a police officer. I think there's a time and place to be combative but I think if you see them as a human I instead of a police officer and go into it as someone who's mind you can change or at least get them to think. I think it's time works. Were spending and I think we have to change. Everybody's mind right. I mean that's that's the whole idea. We have to get the cops on board the idea that they're violating people's rights right. That's a great point and I think that's a good sorta kickoff year because that's one of the things that John my guest today. Jon Beza that we talked about quite a bit is he was trying to do that a little bit from inside the forest but hopefully maybe some police officers currently still working can hear this and start to change. Their minds implements some of the things that John talked about so with that being said let's get to the interview. Be Back here at the end to get some more thoughts from cal. Today's episode of Felony Friday. We welcome John. Beza to the show and I heard a Jon Rao actually. I've just talking with John. Before the show here on Tom Woods originally I remember his appearance on that show heard from more recently. He was a guest on. Pete Jonas's Freeman beyond the wall podcast. We're specifically they got into something that Is of interest to me and I know of interest to. Our audience is a part of his career in law enforcement where He tried to act as a libertarian cop. And he's reading an article about that it's on Lou Rockwell dot com linked to that on the show notes page and we'll get into John's career Prior to that and worked for a long time New York City and many different capacities in In law enforcement so John. Welcome to felony Friday. Thank you thank you for having me here. Well thank you for coming on the show and carbon some time out of out of your day. I know you're retired but I know that even retired people are very busy so thank you so much. No problem Just to kind of set the table here before we get into really the Lou Rockwell article and some of the things you talked about on on peach show I really WANNA dig into always interested in you. Know why people choose certain careers. You know what what attracts them to do? Certain things so starting at the beginning here. What first motivated you to go into law enforcement. While I was motivated by family my not not that they motivated me. I was motivated by that. Might off my grandfathers were New York City. Police officers one was a lieutenant and they had retired one had passed away one. What's The living and went? And when I was about fifteen or so I did a lot of reading. Read a lot of Kabul city. Catholics and I said to myself you know this is what I WANNA do. My father was in New York City. Fire lieutenant but I didn't WANNA be a fireman. I want some reason I just had read books about cops. I WANNA BE A COBB. Want to be like my grandfathers. So I That's the area that I wanted to go in but It turns out that after high school I was eighteen years old. And they don't take it as a cop for twenty so what I did. Was I taken a test for New York state correction option. Now that's like a prison guard. People call it but unfortunately so because they they don't get a lot of credit and they do some good work but as I graduated high school like June twenty third on July thirty first I was in the Correction Academy couple of weeks later. I was working in Sing Sing prison. Maximum security prison. It's about twenty miles north of the Bronx. And at any moment I would be. It would be myself. And maybe a hundred eighty seven cells eighty seven inmates On one where we call a tier like levels like a floor one story to be about five six stories tall and So I went into that work and I have to tell you that I was scared to death. Every minute of every moment that was hitting their You know I was a young kid doing that. I'm curious what was your because I've heard from other people in corrections that you're sorta just kinda thrown to the wolves was there you feel like you were adequately prepared where you're trained or what was that like. No we were thrown to the wolves. I just happened to have a couple of good correction officers. That had some time around me. Most of them went on to be cops But you know try to do something else but I I was proud of my time correction officer because I think we did some good work. I didn't see any Instances of brutality in front of me. I'm not saying that one but my group we really tighten it was Really really difficult job. It was just as difficult as a police jobs so I hear some police officers. They talk down about correction officers. I would never do that. I've been one so I know it's a very difficult job Show but I took it and guess I'll be honest with the the two and a half years that I spent there. The pension time counted up front for the Police Department so in other words I didn't have to do twenty s with the police department. Only the do you know whatever seventeen and a half. Yes so spent some time. I spent some time there Half Years and then my number came up one onto the police department and immediately I was assigned to the thirty second precinct that hall. Which per capita at the time was the most dangerous precinct probably in the country. It was less than one square mile. An We'd have about maybe seventy homicides year in one-square-mile with decade. Was this Liz in the eighties and early nineties. Yeah so it was very very violent violent place. I'll still tell you the jails violent too but being out there the first time I actually brought me on a tour of the precent they said okay. Come on we'll go get a car and we'll take you around first thing. We did was good while them in in a gun fight you could smell the cordite in the air and I was like. What did I get myself into? I mean I had no. I was like what are still young. You know I'm like I'm twenty years old. I'm like Oh my gosh you know so I worked I worked in hall. I'm very very difficult to three to precinct. We call the tune bloom and it it it was it was very scary everyday And then after a while. I decided that I wanted to get out do something else. I met somebody who was a narcotics who was an undercover on the cover of real on the cover. Meaning taking away your ID at a scratch off you know. The magazine lists the police magazine that they give out. You don't get that you don't you only get your paycheck really And a guy was talking to me about it and I said you know what that at that point. I was not the return at all. I was in Hook. Aided and I said that sounds cool and plus you get detective. Shield in eighteen months if you do that. That's faster than normal because it's a dangerous. The most dangerous job in the police department undercover. So inculcated me you know I took an I did it and I. I can't believe it but I actually did very well. I mean people will look at me and say come on. I'll tell you what I made. Hundreds and hundreds of buys You know acting as a criminal. I don't consider criminals anymore. This you know people have to excuse me here because I'm telling the story but right but when I go back on it now. I'm not ashamed of what I did but at the time I was good at and I did it for threes Until my last the last by a made I had a gun. Put them ahead I was making sixteen thousand dollar by of heroin and I didn't have my own gun on me because any time you go into an apartment with somebody. Who's a drug dealer they're gonNa Patch you now so I don't know my gun works you know we had we had guns that were knock official police say the PK. You know. But I knew my gun work so I never took my gun inside to an inside place because they pat you down so when I went up there. This guy didn't even idea we knew me. Get into an apartment. He turned around and said this is the end of the line for you. We use an expletive and he put the gun right up to my head and I knew real gun I feel I could see it and While that struggles happening I knew that he couldn't shoot me facing me. I knew that he kept asking me to turn around. Tell him turnaround turnaround. And I wouldn't turn around. I knew just knew he was going to blow my head going to blow my brains in his All over this tenement hall so I We had a little struggle. He ran down the stairs. I taste death before I could even get to hop GONNA call. Somebody was waiting for him and he took off anyway. Long Story Short. They did catch him. They got some of the by money back which was of course. Chief was most interested in not my not how I was doing but have his money was doing you know. Evan forbid loose money so I had had actually stash the money my socks. You know this is how you get into the mentality of how your drug buyer and so forth so I actually saved some money because I stopped some socks and stuff like that but I gave most of the money not my mind. I didn't want to kill right then. Inara over but Anyway that that turned me though that instant soon as that was over instantly I did not WANNA make another by. I said to myself. Why am I putting my life on while others are putting their life on the line for chomping at somebody just wants to put into body? That just came into my head like you know. I don't. I don't know exactly why I didn't read any book to prompt that but it came into my head and then Of course what happens. It is they after that I was transferred to the Manhattan North Major Case of narcotics education where we worked on the Mexican and Colombian drug next. And I did not want to do that so I made myself the or what. He called the equipment man in on Clinton for the guys and stuff and I just didn't want any part of it and then I wanNA put my lieutenant. I was told I was going to be transferred but I had done so well and I hate to say that here but you know I had done so well in narcotics but they want transformation of the Drug Enforcement Task Force Review knows one of these task forces. You get credit cards you get a BMW. You don't WanNa pay the tolls and for tops. That's important if you don't pay the toll that's the thing right but So I knew I got word that it was going to be transferred to my little tenant and I said we call blue in the police for I salute Supposed to transfer two weeks to the task force. I don't WanNa go there. And he said to me he said you know what nobody has ever denied going to the task force. Nobody ever aren't down ever well. Who WOULD RIGHT DONNY? And unless you are Libertarian. In your mind but this this was starting with me. But he said nobody's ever now he says but you are very hard for me. Where do you want to go and you know I knew? His brother was the chief of Department so wherever I wanted to go I could go but I had already chosen on my mind when I was going to guide and pick any sweet place I picked Manhattan Special Victims Squad where we work with just with victims. That's what I WANNA real people victims not not We used to put on the complaint record. People stayed in New York. I didn't want I wanted somebody whose name or whatever to be up there. I wanted to be a victim crime. That's that's amazing. I just WanNa that and I know you said that you can't really pinpoint exact. Well you can pinpoint the time it happened but like not really. It's not like you've because it's so often like this big philosophical change to read a book and your changes your whole world view but to have it happened in an instant like that when you had that by go sideways into switch all the way around to realize these aren't victims but you actually want to defend real victims. That's just an incredible story while it is. I won't I won't I won't I do. We'll tell you that I did read one one book on Libertarianism. And that was Rothbart for a new liberty and and that that was. I read that while I was in a major case. Soon and in that book he mentions the precinct that I worked on. Because on just make it real quick on that precinct on that same block. They had to hire security guards because there was so much crime on the precinct. Lock my car actually parked in front of the precinct broken into like three times and we had to shootings in the hallway of the precinct lobby. So it was. I mean I really was. It was a very violent precinct but I took time as equipment man and actually. I don't know where it found the book. There was no Amazon of. I can't remember but I know for new liberty by Murray Rothbart and Navy Navy. That's where some of the ideas came from a credit Because I you know I'm not smart enough probably to make these have these summer. Hang on but I think the book helped a little bit and I think having helped a lot and I knew you know I I wanted it to. I wanted to help. Somebody wasn't doing in narcotic so I guess maybe that was it too so so let me. Let me ask you this. This is a question I told you at the top of the show that I'm going to be sprinkle sprinkle in questions from Our our patron Kale Lambert's who helped to produce this show and you know playing off that change. You had where you sort of your world. View is shifting of what a police officer should focus on at that time. Did you start to question openly or maybe not openly maybe just SORTA SORTA keep silently your fellow officers and their morals and ethics. And what they were doing. I am when I was in the major case unit and I was the equipment man. There were times where I would openly question and at the same time everybody would say to me. You'll need to send you the psych services. If you think you're going to legalize drugs you know we have our own. Police has his own psychological services as his own. Dentist believe it or not so. Yeah I wanted the department dentist one time so anyway they you know they made a kind of kind of joked. Nobody was serious. I got a good reputation but they were like you're crazy you know and then I just kind of sit on. Keep this profile until I get this special victims When I got there I was open about it and I actually had a bunch of guys when I say a bunch. Maybe maybe half dozen at at a twenty seven guys. I had him agree with me that the drug will always ridiculous. It just took a little persuading so I did. I did question it I did but I did it. After I got the special victims I wanted to get the first right. I mean you you probably you have that it's a it's a herd mentality and unless you know somebody like yourself steps out when that happens it gives a little bit of space a little bit room for someone else to maybe say you know what. I think you're right I I could see something there. So maybe that's what we need. More of in in policing is that is that something. Where do you think that? And I know we're gonNA talk about later. Moved to Florida and sort of more morally. More practicing Libertarian policing but Do you think that a way a mechanism to change policing really has to happen from inside the police force? Yeah it has to happen from the top that bottom from the bottom to the top because if you if every every every police department in every sheriff's office in this country deals with task force and like drug task force and stuff like that so and it means money for them. It's money-making things to somehow someway. We have to get away from that now. I am sitting here telling you an expert on that but it has to come from within a department because of the -partment supports the body. Count basically go out fan or as fifty guys for selling crack cocaine on the street and we need bodies. That's that's to me. That was ridiculous so when I would talk to other cops on a personal basis one on one basis after I had left not Creek much at most of never got any arguments. Muslim actually would agree. They would be forced to agree when I would them specific questions and make points you know but but it you're right it has to happen from within the department maybe has to happen without Out The department to push these people out but we need a new mentality. We have a militarized police now because of the drug war and this is just horrible. It's just it's makes me sick before we get to talking about your your time Florida. Just WanNa revisit talk a little more about your experience within in the Special Victims Unit. So how many years did you spend their What we're some some notable notable memories that stick out to you I spent at least six years there and One point I had broken my leg and two two spots in the department. I retired when I retired but I had spent sixty six years. I worked on a case still unsolved to this day. That still bothers me. I had sixteen victims most of them connected with DNA and I treated all my victims every single victim. I had black white male or female and male. Victim Stu I treat them as if they were my mother. My brother my sister might saen whatever the case may be on. I found that that Michael I found a partner who felt the same way and I found that that was the way to really These cases now obviously the one with sixteen rights. I didn't saw I put we put tons and tons of man hours into it. It didn't get solved but I saw other sure rape cases and it gave me a certain satisfaction because especially when I interviewed people. I knew back. Then what a coerced confession. Was You know 'cause I've seen it with some other detectives but myself my partner. We didn't work like that so we wanted the right guy. 'cause why get the wrong guy you. The right guy is going to be out there. You know a victimizing women children. Whatever so we would go and we get the confession. Will you get the right guy I like? I said I put my whole really my whole life in police force in that little six year period. I that's why I went to the New York Academy of Medicine Library to study about rapists about I learned everything about a autopsies and stuff just in case which I did work on sexual homicides. Those came up. I WanNa know everything about it so that I could. I could I could solve these crimes for mostly the woman mostly. They were women so most of these women. I wanted to dissolve it for them. They look to me to solve the creation. I took it to heart. You know I took the heart. I work five six hundred dollars all the time and I That's what really broke up my family. You know I thought I said to myself well. I'm I'm a good guy. I'm not cheating on my wife. Fifty percent of cops cheat on their wives. While I was cheating on my foot I really was with the police. Upon those my mischief. I was working so hard with these cases. Broke up my family but That's that's the but that's the that's what you needed. You could balance it better than I did. I just did a poor job of balancing. That's what you need in. Your heart is to know that you're gonNA work victim that they're paying you your salary and I don't care if it's a poor woman from Harlem are rich woman from the upper east side. They're going to get the same duty of care from me That you know that I could The most I could give them and my partner was the same way. Did you have I mean 'cause you know you hear that. A lot of funding is police. Funniest erected to fighting the war on drugs did you have you know the funding. You needed the resources you needed to really perform your job or do you feel like you were constrained their weight and other resources to do we had when I was there. We had twenty two detectives and handle five thousand rape cases and Child Abuse Cases a year twenty two detectors at the same time. Just in Manhattan. There were over three hundred detectors working in narcotics ball. I had a case load where you know. Here's a woman rape with a broken bottle. This child burn with a you know a a iron or whatever these brutal cases I would have to kind of shuffling and work on it you know and I. I thought I did a pretty good job. Mike clearance rate. I always kept it up there but I'll tell you what was difficult for man. Was it got it got maddening. To me in the end was that I'm hitting on all of these horrible cases and they got hundreds detectives working on buying bus spinal file a crack. Which I've done hundreds of times you know and I thought to myself. This is absolutely ridiculous. And they didn't give us the resources Was I was Aaron's all-time where when I worked up hall. If I had a rape in Harlem nobody cares. Nobody cares but there came a time. Where new police commissioner came in and I was actually surprised that all of a sudden I got what I needed to get three hundred detectives but I got the manpower. I got stuff that I needed to work on cases up in Harlem rather than the Upper East side so that that helped out a lot. That was commissioner Brat. Nine dollars have a whole show about him but He did come in there and he did give a he did give a good measure of support us in cases that happened in the ghetto areas. That's good so it's one good thing so it sounds like he was a a complicated complicated guy he was. He stopped bunny. He did what he did was. He held people accountable and he did drop the crime rate in New York. I'll give him credit for that. So after your time especially victims you said you got injured and you retired and then you went to Florida or how much time couple years I did I decide. I need to get some money at the patient. Child support and the stuff like that show. What the Florida and glide for job. The sheriff's Office and they took me know my leg was broken at all. They took me so work. So I work in Florida and in a sheriff's office I'd say medium size one Costa Lodge and it was just too may it was totally different than New York New York. It was at a partner. Joe Is somebody I love. What wherever I worked. It was close close knit. And also the Saudis Ron. Yeah everybody's on you here at everything for myself. It was like well. I don't like to say a playground because at this could but it was like while it was detained playground. I sat libertarian playground for May because once only once every two weeks I have to see my sergeant and Once every two weeks I'd have to see my sergeant so it wouldn't bother me too much because I made arrests and what I did was. I Made Felony Arrests I would. I would never arrest for drugs. I never made one drug arrest. I never gave out a any type of ticket including speeding. Ticket never got never gave out a speeding ticket in my life period as amazing in Harlem. They don't you know they don't give you the training to go chase people down with you. Got Too much else going. He got men with guns and things so we never. I never got trained with that and I never want to show. I didn't So I didn't give out any tickets at all But what I did was I decided I said you know. I'M NOT GONNA make progress. I'M GONNA make felony arrests domestic violence if I have to make them. You have to make those terms but I did the investigation on. Its what was surprising to me that was it was I had about fifty percent male and fifty percent female would go to jail in my time there. My three years for For domestic violence. But I would do a real investigation laws on the same you know so. I work on and I use my detective skills. But I wouldn't bother anybody. I didn't let anybody know that like I'm from New York. I did I just kept my mouth. Shut made my arrests and then what I what I found what's happening is the sheriff's office there. Warrent squad work nine. Am to five PM. Monday to Friday. You're not catching anybody. Nine and five. Pm Monday to Friday. Just don't do it so they weren't getting too many warrant so I had. I found out few quick and I would look up lunch and people who are wanted for no no drugs but felony burglary robbery rape bird or whatever. The case may be had to be a felony and I had to be victim crime. No victimless crimes. At all. I would write the list down before I went to work. And then you're busy. You're busy in Florida in a different in New York. You're not going to gun runs all the time you're going to somebody's sprinklers. Going on somebody's lawn and they don't like it or you know you got these little issues you go. I guess it depends on what part of Florida. And because you hear some some crazy stories. GonNa Florida we had. We had some shootings. And I've been on I. I had a rescue somebody for attempted murder so there was stuff that was known on but the it by two o'clock in the morning everything was silent not like New York City where the radio kept going so I said well you know what am I gonNa get paid so let me go out. All at my listen to these guys are knock on a door. Inevitably inevitably they will home. I tell us I gotta put you on the rescue judge and half a time and a half asleep. They're like okay bump with an mine about I never ever have one struggle or a problem. Getting the guy arrested on a warrant like that. Alcohol bad climb was that they did whatever I never had a problem and I remember one time I or four in one time I the whole back of my New York. We didn't have our own police. 'cause we had caused with graffiti on them and everything else but found. Hey Get Nice Police Cau- I kept mine all. Nice you know but I had guys I put three guys in the back seat and then I have another guy to arrest side. I have another car. Take them and take them to the booking area. You know in the book. But that's what I would do. I would do the so Meyer arrest. Rate turned out to be the second highest in the district that I was highest. Would what did your boss think about that? When you get a lot of notoriety from now the boss had told me listen People from the major crimes section of talking about you because you do their work forum like I took on Monday on my day off. I went down to twenty minutes away. Her picture of the guy who was a rape suspect and they were able to use it in a thing so they had talked about me but it was very quiet and nobody talked to me about. My sergeant was actually pretty good good and he knew that I read. I read the other thing is I was always on top of the law like in New York always reading the law. The updates to the law said I knew that I was obviously within the law at probably laws new at all that was about Had to do a show up a lineup. A photo right. You know I did a photo array one time. It's just a six pack of photos you know and they do it on a computer when I was there and he didn't on a computer and I was doing it and I had another cop come over to me that should mean what is that a photo array the guy goes. I never saw anything like that before. Said you never get a fallen before so these guys on Channel Two different mindset but I just a bone so I was doing the best I could. I would have people. Sometimes people would have drugs on them if they did. I say listen to throw him down in a ditch somewhere that they would go away because you know you have to also remember that. I got to be on the lookout because I might. Have you know the cops looking at me? That's the other thing but mostly speed they throw down. Whatever drugs had commanded the car? Not I have I. I'd have the the wanted posts plus anything that I wanted like any Li. I had case because I had smoked in cases. And I would deal with my sergeant. Let me deal my own cases so I would deal with them and I would ask people. Do you know this guy. You know what's going on over here. Yeah I know you know what At once in a while you know it's not every time but once in a while I would get somebody to say you know what I know that guy and this lives at and thanks for you. Know not arrest the main Oh so I mean. It's not a perfect libertarian. Linked to do but to to stay within you know at least keep myself going. That's that's what I did. Take a real quick at break here. One of our lines of pride members Tyler Cofer D- he reached out to me and he originally upgraded to our one hundred dollar level where he gets an ad and he decided to use this ad today because he has a special message for you out there. He wanted me to let you all know that he's in the long walks through the woods. He's in the comic books. Graham Hancock Novels Video Games and Austrian economics. And if you're into some of those same things then check out his rap group Jenks Ache. It's available on all streaming platforms. I was just listening to song bootstraps on spotify so check out bootstraps checkout Jinx Inc. That's J. Y. And X. I. N. C. J. White Annex Inc Jinx. Inc You. Yeah that's a good point. I mean a lot of Libertarians. My push back and say well throwing their drugs away or whatever but I mean what else can you do? Otherwise ended up getting fired and I wouldn't be out there as a libertarian. Cops so I had to people have on to stand there. Were certain things that you know I I of course I wouldn't do any unlawful order and I definitely would not make doug us I would. I would deny it. If they spend the me I would be suspended. I always decided that but that never happened but I was always concerned for. The cops saw me cal semi throat drugs down. You know they flip out. A bag of marijuana is a big thing you know to me I was like. Jeez we go out on buys for marijuana five marijuana. We Walk Venice Street. There'd be a hundred people silent. We'd we'd come out the end of the street and the boss listen nobody saw. There's nobody one no undercover in his right mind. Now I know this sounds weird but non the cover in his right mind. He's fine cocaine. I was buying kilos. Is buying guns going to buy a bag of marijuana so but down here you know this? That was a big thing. You know a couple of bags Merrill on marijuana I just anyone. I stayed away from that stuff completely. Data was so reliable. You were down in Florida. Reliable to influence any of your fellow. A fellow officers there to to lean libertarian. Anyway you know what I I didn't and one of the reasons I have to tell you this is because I I when you're working by yourself. What you can do is trust yourself. You don't have a partner that you work for you know so. I don't know by telling somebody something. If that would of sudden have people looking at me and all of a sudden I get in trouble for doing something. You know. That's libertarian. So I I I kind of kept to myself we people must I look people must have noticed but I tell you tonight if you ask him but I work with. They probably wouldn't know that I never made a drug or US and they probably wouldn't know that I never wrote a check 'em But because I just kept my mouth shut. I think that was the only way I could do it if I if I let onto somebody else I was I would. I was the influence somebody else should come back on me. And then you would have no libertarian. Cop Out there so bror partial the baton so what happened in In Florida then at the end you mean at the end. I resigned on her. Believe what happened was the one day I was called in the lieutenants office and I was asked by the lieutenant. No eight I asked Lieutenants Lulu mccollum Lou Lou. Why what's going on now because I couldn't imagine why call me and he said well it's about your arrests not even say goodbye. I'm sorry he says about your tickets right tickets to somebody in my squad that does they had the speedometer. The speed whatever they call radar you know. I don't even know what it's called right. So take that he would use that and Just on a side note. I gotTa tell you funny. That's in the article but some people might not know. Is that that guy. Who is our ticket? Manhood the radar? I would find out every night that I could went out a little time where he was hidden because they always hide themselves. And so we got a hiding spot and then I would go down below a hill where he could see me at all and then I sipped I put all my lights on when I sit there and all the other cars cost throwdown and I sit there for as long as I and then I put my lights off on end in the morning. Sometimes we'd have to get together. Put up paperwork and he would be gone about house what. I can't get any speeding tickets. I can't get any speed and I just look at them like. Oh Wow you know and not knowing you know not knowing that here I am when my license on? That's A. That's a good libertarian. Thing to do any cops out there listening to thinking about. What can I do to be a little bit libertarian? I think it's a good start with that. That's a good start. There's nothing wrong with that and I. I did that and he was eating does me and I didn't really care but But anyway the the lieutenants. They're asking me about this so. I said well this guy does tickets. We got somebody who does You know goes on all calls. There's somebody who does this is my specialty was making arrests and I was number two in arrests behind the. Dwi Guy who you know. Whatever I don't know if they say some bars I don't know I didn't do the show that wasn't my thing might thing was if you had a. Dwi Get somebody to pick you up quirky. Coty I gotta see and then you're not lost. It's no accident. There's an axiom. Thin travelled guys take so anyway that was my towards that too but his lieutenants attitude was weser tickets and I told them. I was truthful with my Shit Lieutenant. I haven't feel bad. Check it since I've been here I don't plan to and quite frankly I don't even know how to fill out properly. Fill out the ticket form. The summons form I don't even know how to fill it out if you ask me. I said it's not my pin. So he's like a guy to ride in on the typical stuff that he would say. You gotTa ride tickets. We gotTA come on party. Make arrests fallen. You're making some plans of bringing in shotguns robberies I was bringing. I remember bringing shotguns and stuff and people look at me but I'm cycle whatever no from what that didn't count cares about The violent felonies on of the people. We want tickets so they switched my tour too. I was working six. Pm to six. I am now. They switched to a day shift six. Am to six PM. You know which I didn't want because it's not. It's not a lot of activity going on. And they assigned to look after me and I'm like is this. What I get for Was Thinking Sidon at enact like I knew what to do so I just after a while I just. It's a couple of months and I just resigned honorably and I should know much stuff in thank you. Thank you for working. Hails was nice work on your kind of thing and I resigned honorably. But I couldn't do it anymore. I just couldn't and I could have probably waited it out. Maybe gone to become a detective but down in Florida. No French raw. There's no far cops sensitive some hope there are no no but I'm gonNA tell on I'll be honest with it was different Florida being guys just didn't I don't know people just didn't know the proper way to do things I mean. I asked the guy one time. How do you do a showa? There's a certain procedure when we cook here. Somebody commits a crime. Louis to so many Rob Somebody Point If you now the victim gives a description if you find the guy matches that description okay you got now have to bring the victim to where that guy is because that guy he still has rights right. He's not. He's not the perpetrator at this point. So you have to bring her to so I would scramble it out. I'm saying listen. Put Him aside. It's gotta be in handcuffs. You put them side far away from the cars. You can stand back from the victim view that people are like what are you doing? I should this is A. It's called a show of this show up. This is what you have to do to get a good case but I dunno apparently in Florida. Anyway it's just an example. I hope there's some cops Watson this but that's an example two different world in Florida in many ways it is and I'm not saying ecause fed things happen in New York. Look at look at me. I worked in academics for three years and made hundreds spies at bought guns now. I'm embarrassed to that stuff you know. I'm embarrassed for my profession for what's become and what people have let it become well. Yeah So a couple more questions from Kale. Some of these centering around word you know focusing in on you know maybe libertarian philosophy around policing so do you think that police officers you know with all the experience you have now. Do you think that police officers should have lethal force as an option? That's something they need to have lethal force From my experiments you ask your opinion. I mean my my opinion is yes. I've had guns pointed me at. Somebody pulled the trigger. And as he pulled the trigger we found out later in the firing pin hit the primer left the dimple on it so we actually shot at me but the bullet didn't come out but when I got up I come from. I was in Harlem Alley. So I got heat It's like two feet if anybody's been in Harlem Alley back in the eighties and nineties. It's filled like two or three feet of garbage. That's where people the garbage out the back window so I run along. I cut my leg and everything and then I got him what happened was we went through alleys and got him at the end of an alley Hatem Corner so as he turned around to me I dived down next to like I dunno a bunch of rubbish. She tried to get some cover. And as I'm coming up I see him so put the gun like like he's jammed like he's got a problem literally in this day and age. I could have shot him but you know what? I'm not shooting a guy like that. I know the guys. None is Jan so I ran up to my gun. Grab this gun at night. When I put him down to the ground it turns out precinct. They're working was so busy. I had already been let my handcuffs somebody so I had no handcuffs so I had the hold him down with a gun at him and era. He's bleed numbly from one or two not some fighting which is blamed for. Bally's you know and I eventually I had. Nobody could find me side again on the radio back then. I had to say listen on in an alley listened to the barking dog. Finally Housing Police Officers Factory had housing and transit. Housing police officers came and family. And and that was. It wouldn't have me personally liking. But if he did shoe ask me. I would want to have a gun so that it could shoot back show. That could defend myself right so. Yeah on a libertarian. I would say yes. I do believe police officers should have that option but man even as an expert now I see that they use it and they use it in all the wrong ways almost most of the cases all the cases I reviewed are bad shootings. Yeah and I think along the same lines. I'm when you were talking about in Florida when you're going out and finding people violent criminals go into their houses you know at twelve a m two. Am You just showing up and arresting them? Where a lot of the lot of those cases. There's going to be a SWAT team. That's called in. The you know caused this whole thing and throw in You know Flashbang grenades and burning children. And stuff like that Yeah I think what do you think about that? I mean I know that the trend is going seeming. Like it's an unstoppable train in this militarized position. But how do we change that because it just makes like I work in risk mitigation for living and it just makes logical sense to me that you in order to reduce your risk in order to make things run more smoothly To keep your officers safe to keep the people you're trying to arrest safe to to make it the least probable environment for For violence to occur that you wouldn't want to bring in the surprising attack inclined to people's windows and get out of debt. Tr- threw a hassle again. Asked to start up above has to. Do you know the police commissioners on down on the sheriff's on down but also the training academy. That's the thing when I was in the Academy. I let me let me just say briefly one other guys. I work with a genuine hero. Great Great Cop. He stopped the call. One time and nine car turned around and shot his partner in the belt buckle and went to into his stomach with a twenty five you know how he got the gun back did he shoot the Guy No. He went all when he wrestled the gun. Away this is what we when we were back again. I'm not I'm just saying I know I worked in a push specific precinct and everything. But this is what we thought was brave. You grabbed a gun from the guy you didn't have to shoot him and guys and look down on you that now they wanna come in. Swat seen to do it would have been it would have been a it would have been a bad situation because you don't what all cops on that scene where the probably shot that guy that shot the cop but not the guys. I work with because they would train differently now. They train them. It looks I what seems to me. Even the narcotics when we did once we saw he had one of these booming things like a ram and a couple of police officers with windbreakers. Not We didn't have we. We didn't have SWAT teams now. You know how how often has Proliferated beaten the the swap rates. A perforated tremendously until now they do it for anything. They do it for a somebody. Show me the day What was it basil? Like you know that you used to cook with whatever some midday sees that from somebody thinking it was a drug know and then use swat team to do it. I mean I just I don't see it so I do see it has to be training and I do see that has to be up top. That wanted because this cop mentality of you get into once you get into it like I said it took me all skin killed to get out of it once you get into your inculcated into. It's just so tough to get out of it. You need cops that I know. Are there off my partner? I work now. My business partner. He's retired detective. He's Libertarian. But he's only started being libertarian when he worked with me with Ron Paul unopposed campaign. But these fully changed. Now you know just to change the fact that what he did when he was on the job but anyway I do think we could we? There is a chance that we could make but I would love to see private police forces. 'cause I would ride away. I'd be like I'll be detective. I'll catch the guy and then maybe more people come to me. I can make some more money right. Yeah that's the way it should be but yeah I don't think these these swot militarized police I it's just a frame of mind that needs to go last question here. What what advice would you give to civilians on? Interacting with police in order to do a couple of things in order to keep themselves safe But also not to end up in a situation where you're you know maybe putting yourself more to risk of a of of getting arrested so tell you get pulled over on. What's the best way to SORTA interact with the police officer in in diffuse the situation but not give up your rights? Well here's what I would do if I were stopped because I questioned a lot of times. I don't quite have the traffic speeding that I had my younger years had. Maybe so I don't get stopped much but I'm a retired cop but you know what if I ever get stopped I will keep my hands on the wheel and I will not take them off until police officer cheese that I have nothing in my hands. I mean you know. Of course. Sometimes they always she something. But I keep my hands there because you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting live tweet for seven by news feed. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by US follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's newscast February the twenty eight twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford Boston. Public Health officials are monitoring thirty four city wizards for the new corona virus at his second tens of thousands of people that from the Boston Globe meantime health officials in Arizona have confirmed the fifth. Us case of the Crow Virus and in California more than eight thousand people are being monitored for possible contact with the virus. The trump administration's proposed twenty twenty. One budget takes aim at a number of safety net programs including twenty one billion dollars in cuts to temporary assistance for needy families. If they floyd with the center on budget and policy priorities says if it's approved Texas would lose more than one hundred million federal dollars in the first year alone because only families with children younger than eighteen qualify for the short term assistance program. 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If we aren't doing well by families it really highlights where priorities are or where they are not if a woman who is expectant dies in childbirth thereafter that has ripple effects not just for her child but certainly for her family and the broader community. The report encourages policymakers to protect women's access to health care before during and after pregnancy as well as extending Medicaid coverage to twelve months postpartum from the current level of sixty days for public news service. I'm Mary Sherman and AARP CONDUCTED A survey about imposter scams party gauge adults for her abilities. Just Haley US census in Connecticut. Findings are worrisome. Forty five percent of Connecticut adults who responded to the survey said they had been targeted by an impostor scam. The survey is part of a larger. Aarp study on such scams particularly because imposters often may claim to represent the census. This year. Mike Hume's associate state director of Aarp Connecticut. He shares the most important result from Connecticut. Survey seventy one percent of adult in Connecticut survey either they incorrectly. Sankar unsure whether the overseen email link with the twenty twenty cents questionnaire from the Census Bureau which is not true the census only will ask people to participate through the US mail but this year for the first time people can fill out the census online. I'm Laura Raw sprouts. Hellum reporting finally are taking off reports to cap off American heart month doctors putting a spotlight on the different sides of heart attacks between women and men along with common symptoms cardiologists. Rachel Wyman with Kaiser Permanent Day in Seattle says about a quarter of women. Experience Atypical signs such as upper back pain shortness of breath nausea or palpitations. Women also are more likely to have multiple symptoms. Wyman says these uncommon signs can mislead women about their condition their chew a degree or enough of these symptoms. That people may think to themselves better. Go get this checked out not necessarily expecting it to be heart-related in both men and women. Typical heart attack symptoms include chest discomfort and radiating pain into the arm neck and jaw. Wyman says the best ways to prevent a heart attack or not smoking getting regular exercise and eating plenty of vegetables. I Mike Clifford. Thanks for wrapping up your week with public do service. We are member lists ported Ron Line at public do service DOT. Org Victim Brings Home the Bacon Prize. It up in a pan and then he eats it rickety his official. Thank you for that and welcome back hour to underway one. Eight hundred eight seven eight plays and number to call one eight hundred eight seven eight seven five two nine. Whatever you've got whatever you do we are here for you. One eight hundred eight seven. Eight play and This is why this is why we talk sports because we want you to have your say. 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More sportstalk yes couldn't get any better but it sputter rick back. He's so great. I can't believe how awesome he is more sports talk. Yes our two of letting sports down rick to thank you for that. Welcome back ritual the with you in San Francisco around the world on American forces ray on network. It's our pleasure to welcome Mark Norman to the show. He's the CEO is USA climbing and This weekend we're gonNA find out The last participant of Team USA. I Mark Enough. Anybody has mentioned this. My favorite comedian is Mark Norman with a d at the end. Does anybody get you guys confused? I have not heard island before. Good to know yes all right so this event that we're going to be having the F. SC Panamerican Championships. What does the what does that entail? It entails Our athletes the Panamerican. They all competing in the three disciplines. That are going to be represented at the Olympic Games in Tokyo. So they'll be competing and speed climbing bouldering and lead and then we combine their overall rank to choose a winner. What would be think the hardest part of this discipline is it? I mean I mean obviously you need mental focus. But what will it? What's the most taxing party thing? I think the most acting part is you know the fact that you have to do all three. They're all different. So the fact that you have to all three in one day and perform well at all three in order to be you know at the end of the day. Crime the champion. Is you own incredibly tall task against a really high level through three very different sports if you will discipline? So how does the Olympics? Embrace this as as What do they call it a sport where they're trying it out? I can forgotten vision board. Yup Yup it's a full medal sport in Tokyo And I think the IOT looking at how to grow It's market with kind of the new trends and sport. Climbing is definitely one of those sports like Skateboarding and surfing they're kinda younger Younger demographic growing worldwide. So I think they look at it as a you know a very positive addition to the program when you if somebody comes to you and says look. I'm I go about you. Know Two hundred and twenty five pounds. Can I do this sport? Do you say do you want to you? I mean is there like kind of a limit? No not at all. I think it's one of the great things about climbing About competition climbing specifically that you know. There's there's routes and problems that's how we describe them. That are you know for all ages ability so and alway- categories. I. I think that's what's great. It's easy to have you know very easy Router problem set right next to a really hard problems so everybody can do the sport and I think that's why you're seeing the growth of it Around the nation As we are so tell us about the three disciplines that we will see the Tokyo Olympics. Bouldering lead and speed bouldering is really about strengthened. Power raw power. It's you climb to about seventeen eighteen feet above the ground you fall on the map So you're UN roped but it tends to be short powerful strong moves and the goal of course getting to the top of what we would call a boulder problem Lead is what most people typically a picture rock climbing as. Which is you know you climb forty five fifty feet. You're on a rope. You're clipping into protection along the way And that's really an endurance. Of course power still plays but being able to go fifty feet on these big overhanging routes is is really a feat of endurance and efficiency if you will And then speed is really the different of the two while bouldering and lead can be quite similar in some regards. Speed is just that it's a drag race vertically up a wall That's the same. The world over so every speed climbing route in the world is exactly the same same. Same Old same position. So you have a national record world records but it's much different than the other two in the sense that it's always exactly the same way or the other two are always changing and you. You don't participate in the Olympic trials. This is how you suss out. Who's going to be on your team right? Yeah this is our last chance to name an athlete to the Olympic so It's a. It's a huge Important Event coursework fully qualified on the women's side are are maximum quotas to her gender so we have two women qualified already in Brooklyn attitude and Cairo. Condie and on the men's side Nathaniel Coleman is qualified so we have one spot open For Team USA. Now we have to win this event this weekend In order to claim that spot. So it's no easy task and Hopefully apart Ricksen with Mark Norman from USA climbing they'll be forty eight athletes from nine countries participating for the Americans. We have a couple of front runners. Should we win and Gain I say we as a fellow. Yank that last spot Shawn Bayley and Zach Gala. Tell us a little bit more about these two protagonists desperate to get to Japan into both incredibly talented individuals Sean justness qualifying earlier in the qualification. Series back in France in November. So I would say maybe a little bit of a favorite but that gala also incredibly talented Athlete as well. Who's on? Our national team competed at a number of our national or World Cup events throughout the season. But again they have some Tall competitors as well from from the other Panamerican Countries. So it's GonNa be it's GonNa be by no means a a given are gonNA have to come out. Really do their best to or in that up right now is their parody in sport and or is dominated by America and a couple more. No Yeah. It's pretty It's got a pretty good representation from around the world though if we do earn the spinal spot will be one of three countries who have earned full quota So that kind of gives you a good idea that it's spread out worldwide. If only three countries have been able to qualify. Two ladies and two men You know so. It's you'll see the Germans Austrians. The Japanese are incredibly strong. The French There's some great Korean climbers. It really is really spread. All over the yeah. I think about the Alps Sunday. Tirol and all these places you just name that You know they like Mount Fuji. Is there a surprise? Country like Pakistan or Luxembourg. Is there a country? That's really strong. That maybe that Kinda snuck up on everyone. Slovenian strong Which is definitely a smaller country. Certainly climbing country but For a small country. They've got a Very dominant woman and Jagna Guard Brett. Who won every bouldering World Cup? There was last year And won the world championships and qualified as women. So I think sometimes that happens with as you get kind of strong athlete or two that you kind of build a big pipeline underneath them that kind of self serving right continues to support and grow more athletes in your country but that that'd be one for sure but I I would say even here. At the Penn Americans were seeing great performances from Mexico. Argentina Chilly so it's all over. Yeah Slovenians you. She probably climbed to the top of that castle and Lubiana growing up. Maybe that was it. Final question for you which I don't know it could have been the first question the we'll I guess we'll know in. May whether we're going to have an Olympics or not. How tenuous and how much do you have your fingers crossed on that? Of course we have our fingers crossed. I think it's much too early to be speculating What may or may not happen there. So our athletes is just keeping their keeping their heads down doing their job. Continuing refrain continue to work on their preparation For the Games. And that's all you can do. And Paris twenty twenty four in the crosshairs. Two Pairs Twenty. Twenty four is great We actually get broken out into speed gets broken out as an individual discipline As opposed to being part of the three so we'll have Sixteen athletes and a separate set of metal For speed and then bouldering and lead will still be combined on. We'll still have the twenty athlete. So if everything stays the way it all right and I want to remind everybody that You can follow this event on the IFC website you can go to Fsc Flicker for the pictures as well for the Panamerican Championships. We've been speaking with Mark Norman. Ceo WITH USA climbing mark. Congratulations thanks for representing our country. So well and let's catch up down the road. I I'm Rick Tuttle. Come on back on sports. 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I joined because my father and my brother were in the army. I thought I'd better join before. I got drafted son. There ain't no draft more when Rick tittle always goes commando. Thank you for that and welcome back to the show with you. Coast to coast and around the world and we have open lines For at least about a hour and a half here. How long is this Damn Show our twenty? We have some open lines so get in at one. Eight hundred. Eight seven eight P. L. A. Y. no alibis you. You're ugly and all that good stuff. The baseball world is going to have to deal with the scandal. Obviously I'm already sick of it but the I was talking to somebody the other day and they were like What do you do and I'm like I'm talk show host and they're like Maury and I'm like yeah I do Paternity tests gender reveals. Makeovers again. No it's sports talk and they went. Oh how are you still talking about the Astros? Unfortunately yeah we are It is true. So it's it's going to happen now. One thing about baseball's the astros thankfully is the fact that Members of our United States Congress not the Bulgarian Paula Borough but members of Congress. A letter to the hall of fame yesterday petitioning for Oakland Zone curt flood to be enshrined in Cooperstown. You had great numbers but he was of course the advocate and the guy who suffered not on the cross. That's a bit dramatic but did suffer for his career to get free agency back in one thousand nine hundred seventy. It's The fiftieth anniversary of flood sending a letter to buoy kin. Who was the crazy commissioner? When I was a kid earn my older brother told me how insane buoy was any looked crazy. Look like Field Mall Shirvan Brahma as weird looking. Do Glasses although I will say. I GIVE BUOY CUNA. Shout OUT FOR STOPPING THE INSTITUTE TRADE WITH. Rollie fingers and Charlie Finley when the red sox were in town and it was a picture of them go into the other clubhouse putting on the gear but fifty years ago flood sent a letter to buoy kin in the hopes of being declared a free agent he had spent twelve years with the cardinals and then he got traded to the fills. Now judge or. I should say judy pace flood. His widow told the quote I think the holdup is that he got on a lot of people's nerves. Well to say the least Mrs Flood. He didn't WanNa uproots his life and begin another chapter of his career with the phillies. He got into a legal battle in which ultimately lost and he was traded from the Phillies to the senators but flood is one of the biggest if not the biggest and only reason that free agency exists in the form that we habit today in. Mlb saw congressman. David thrown from Maryland. Said quote what curt flood did and championed is resonating throughout professional sports for the past. Fifty Years Anquan now as I said curt flood was no scrub. This is a guy who had seven gold gloves was a three time all star and two rings with Saint Louis Senators and Cincinnati. Red Legs. Flood ended up leaving the senators. The next year April of Nineteen seventy-one and he abruptly retired career over over ten years in the League a- to ninety three career hitter six hundred thirty six. Rbi's and he was a slap hitter. Still had eighty-five home runs. Missouri Senator Roy Blunt said. What a great ball player. When the great stem usual was finishing up his career in right field curt flood would play all of center and about half of right so that stand. The man could still be on the team. That's great knowledge that I had never heard that but they had a news conference yesterday night last night we usually say it and player union reps from the NBA. The NFL the NHL MLS Ryan attendance over one hundred different members of Congress as I mentioned signed the letter to get flood in to the hall of fame and can just say that Very much I happen to agree with that sentiment. One eight hundred eight seven a play another thing about cardinals and regrets few teams in baseball. Were as aggressive as you could say the braves this off season because they know they've got such amazing young talent and a couple of savvy that's and guys like Freeman and others but they went out and one of their biggest coups if you wanna call it. That was getting Marcello. Suna on a one year contract for eighteen million dollars. This is a guy who was supposed to get a three or four year deal and he settled on one. He rejected the qualifying offer from the cardinals. And the qualifying offer entitled. Saint Louis to draft pick compensation the call offer for his position with seventeen point for opposition. Seventeen point eight million dollars so two hundred thousand yet. Less now Ozouni tells the Saint Louis Post dispatch that he regrets it so he said quote. If I knew before it was going to happen like this I would have taken it but I wanted to make sure I had a chance at a contract from my career. If they offer a good offer I would get it. But they didn't do it. I thought the cardinals were going to go offer something early. But they didn't do that after. I rejected the qualifying offer so I got patient and I waited and I talked to my agent a lot of the time we were waiting and then Atlanta was the team that gave me the opportunity for the one year. And a good deal. I had to do that and quote now. I doubt Zona is the first player to regret that you might remember when Kendrick Morales. Did you might remember when Stephen drew did it? And they ended up signing for less money that happens agents. Hey qualifying offers. Don't do it will get you more. They mean we'll get us more. I mean think about Dallas Kaikal. Last year rejected the qualifying offer and got a one year deal with the braves for thirteen mill. Coincidence team got about five million dollars less now. The good news froze Oona. He gets two hundred thousand more. He's playing on a good team and truest park. Yes truest park. Believe it or not. That's the name. It's more hitter friendly than Bush stadium. New Bush and Zuma is no longer eligible for the quiet qualifying offer. Because he's already got once you can only get up once that means. He won't be held back by draft. Pick compensation this winter. I mean Kyko went from free agent persona non grata to a three year contract because he was also not attached to any draft. Pick compensation so. The braves will have an outfield. Those Oona Ronald Kunia and nick. Marcus you can throw in an atom duval and ender. Cra there as well. The cardinals who ranked nineteenth and runs per game with those. Oona are GonNa have to cobble something together. Dexter Fowler Tommy Edmund Harrison. Badir Tyler O'Neal Lane Thomas and think about US remember. He laughed about the fact that the as wanted him to lease the Gladys's in Oakland. Everybody said there's not Oakland he. He was a great play. He had to forty one with twenty nine. Jacks who cares about two forty one. He had twenty nine. Jacks and that to me is the the Big Story. There is that he hit some home. Run so it's not like oh my Gosh how could you? How could you possibly Not Sign me to a big deal. I don't blame the cardinals because he looks exactly like somebody who is trending downward like if you look at those numbers you could make a very good doubt. He'll say it's only gonNA back up baby but you could make a very good case for saying this is the guy who's GonNa hit two twenty nine and hit twenty three home runs. You know not useless but why len and look at all this cash we've We've thrown in. That might be. That might be just a little bit too much. So there's other baseball news and we'll get to that as well on spring training and not next week but Week after that. I'M GONNA I'm in. I'm in a head down there and Taking a few games at New Jojo calm. I was told by the native Americans down there. It's not Jojo calm it so Ho- come and it's not my tribe so I'm gonNA listen to them on how to Pronounce it. I'm total come on. This is Jesse's O'Reilly auto parts story as a nurse. Not Making it to work was not an option but driving to the snow with my white replayed struggling. I just didn't feel state so I pulled into a reilly auto parts and before I knew it and employee was offering to install the wiper blades on my car. I got to stay out of the snow for a moment and I still made to work on time auto parts. Don't go out to eat. Go OUT TO EAT AT. Chili's chicken or shrimp Fajitas are now on three ten. So here that chickens Yummy or that shrimp sizzle so similar people laughing and having fun Gary maybe take it down a notch. 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I'll slap girl don't act like I don't slap us lap you right now. One eight hundred eight seventy play. It's called the transition Some more baseball notes and I thought this was pretty. Cool that Tim Tebow announced that he's going to play for the Philippines country of his birth Coming up here at the World Baseball Classic qualifiers and you might say well. Why isn't he playing for America? What a backstabber. America doesn't want him. This is the way it works in Sports. Like this and internationals you can qualify for other countries depending on the rules. What are the rules? Well the rules when it comes to that is that If your country doesn't want you I know. Fever has a grandfather role which is if your grandfather or your grandmother are from that country. You qualify to play for it. If you hold a passport for that country that you can qualify for it as well If your spouse is in that country as well sometimes you can qualify that way as well. So Tim tebow thirty two years old coming into his fourth minor league season and almost three hundred games the minors. He's a career to twenty-three hitter eighteen. Jack's eighty five walks. Three hundred and twenty seven strikeouts but he started to play a little bit better. Triple eight till an injury. Knocked him out the rest of the remember. I had Tibo on this show. I don't know about Two months ago he's in camp with the mets has hit a home run. So far and the Grapefruit League we know he was a heisman winner in NFL quarterback. Yes but remember his parents were Baptist missionaries in the Philippines. They moved back to the US when he was three but he has gone back to the Philippines many times over the years to help with that mission. He's very much Got The Philippines in his existence for sure and they're probably not going to make it to the WBZ said. These are one of the qualifying teams. We talked about that before they have twice. Made it just to the qualifiers. They've won once their one in four qualifiers but they've never as I said made it to the main tournament But this WBZ is expanding to twenty teams. Sixteen teams automatic bids. So you get four remaining and these games will take place. As I mentioned all in Tucson whether it's at Hi Corbett field where the sun shines behind centerfield fence. They built it wrong or whether they play at the University of Arizona. I don't know where they're gonNA play but I'm sure there's a better field down there by now but march thirteen th through. Twenty fifth is win so Tibo will have to get on a plane to go from Florida to Arizona that Listen I've said this before like my grandfather was born in Denmark so I call five to play soccer for the Danish national team. The only thing is is. I'm not even good enough to play for. America and Denmark is light years better than the United States at soccer. So we'll rick the recent fearful rankings. Have you seen our national team lately? Look Gregg Berhalter thrown out there. It's not good one. Eight hundred eight seven eight play Luis Severino. We know. It's going to have Tommy John Surgery while the angels top pitching phenom Griffin Canning. House at from millennials name but Griffin. Canning no offense. He's what his parents named him. Griffin canning underwent an MRI that showed quote chronic changes to the UCLA and a cute joint irritation quote in his right elbow. Twenty three years old. He went out on Wednesday pitched two scoreless innings against the dodgers. And he's I gotta come out. My elbow hurts cause for worry. Doctors say don't worry you don't need Tommy John Yet yet. Well remember the thing about. La ANAHEIM IS THEIR ROTATION TREVOR K. Hill who's on a minor league deal? What the giants Far Han learned from Billy Wright? He was their opening day starter. You give Mike Trout all the money at Fort Knox but you won't get pitching for them and now that got anthony written down. I guess they're going to try to win. Fifteen to fourteen every game this year but he missed nearly two months with elbow inflammation last year and two years ago when he picked this was a second round pick he was five and six within era over four and a half so the GM billy up apple or he was asked about it and he goes and the Orange County Register said are you gonNa get more pitching and he said not at this time no okay Joe Madden. Who's the skipper? There now says that canning will either be back real soon. Are He's just going to be out for a long time. Well we'll find out the angels say we're GonNa look for a tear and we won't know until Saturday tomorrow. This is a team that I'll give them credit they wanted to bring Garrett Cole back to Orange County and he was thinking about it until the Yankee visiting clubhouse guy remembered what lot wine he like remember that story. I think he'd go to the Yankees anyway but a pushed him over. He said now they did. Go Out and get to Leo Holy Tehran. And they got Dylan. Bundy okay well. Who's Your Ace Andrew? Heaney Shohei Otani. Now they've got some other starters. There Matt Andries. No thanks the lefty. Jose Suarez Patrick San of all. Don't call me panda. He's a lefty. And a couple of righties. Hymie Berea actually Dylan Peter. That's another lefty so like I'm never going to point at a team's fifth starter and say you have no ambition because fifth starter. Who usually I get it. But I mean Dylan. Peter's this is a guy who pitched out of the bullpen last year and his. Yara was like five and a half and he's interesting guy because he's five nine two hundred he's built from the ground up. Jd Power and then another note from the West Coast. Fernando Totti's journey junior journey one attorney for him to go from top prospect to superstar and he only played half a year which was too bad. They call them up. He three seventeen twenty. Two home runs sixteen. Sullen braces. Great Defense with Crazy Haret short. Eighty four games back injury while he's back. And he is the franchise cornerstone. Say What you want about Machado and hosmer their vets. This is the Guy. Who's the face of the franchise why he's so young and so good you know? He just turned twenty one last month. So the PADRES WANNA sign him through his Arbor's who can blame them and apparently the sides we're GonNa sit down and talk as it stands. Totti's will not be a free agent until after the two thousand two thousand four season and the PADRES WANNA sign him sooner the better so. Totti's went on ninety seven three the fan in San Diego and he said that nothing was happening okay well. Aj prowler was on his own appearance on that station. And he said quote definitely not looking to comment publicly. We'll sit down with him and his representatives when the time is right here and kind of get a feel for where they're at and see if there's something there well where they're at is Mike Trout. Money is where they're at that you want me to do. There's a guy on your team. They Manny Machado. That's where they're at now. It's important to note that the padres carried Totti's on their opening day roster last season. They did not manipulate his service. Time so because of that. Tees has a full year of service time. And that's why I mentioned wanting to take him five years to get paid and you could say it was really refreshing for a team not to play the service time game. Although it was stupid it was well. Because the padres were not gonNa make the playoffs. They should've waited a week but then again having the cubs Kris Bryant. Now they all hate each other. Maybe it was better so teams are much more aggressive locking up. Their young players very few have accomplished as much as ts has early in his career. I mean you're talking about a guy like Ronald Kunia or like a one Soto. Those are the guys who are like. I don't care if he's nineteen or twenty he is going to be a perennial all star. He's trajectory as Cooperstown. The braves did something. That was such a win win especially for them. They gave a Kunia coming off his rookie year. Eight year. One hundred million dollars now. I've always said well ever since Tim Lynch accountant turned it down. I've said since that time if you get offered one hundred mil take. That's what the Indians offered Francisco. Lean door and he said no because he thinks he can get at least double that and he can but one hundred million dollars eight years. That'll take a Kunia way passes arb- eight years that means you're getting him for twelve million dollars a year that guy twelve million. The qualifying offer is eighteen million. So it's a win win because the braves are going to be robbing the bank. And we'll see if he renegotiate if he's the MVP two years in a row and that's not a pie. In the sky thing Ronald Kunia could very well be the national league. Mvp let's say three years from now he's the MVP two years in a row and he's got five years left on his deal at twelve per do you think there's not going to be a renegotiation or a hold out but right now it works and I say it's a win win for a Kunia because his kneecaps could fall off and he's got one hundred million dollars at his age. You never lose when you sign your name to a one hundred million dollar contract it. You'll maybe you could get more definitely. You could get more money but you don't lose cell. Kunia remember he did not have the full season when he signs extension so he was still six years away. They said he's got to after that having one fewer year of control gives Totti's more leverage because he is that close to free agency and Cuneo was rookie of the year and that hardware. I mean think about that you could hold out right now but a Kunia missed a month with a knee injury in two thousand eighteen. And he's still played in more games as a rookie than toughtested cell and remember. White Sox fans will not forget trading for Natto. Totti's junior to the padres for James. Shields and twenty sixteen before he ever played a professional game in their minor leagues. Ouch Oh there's always Ouchi somewhere come on back if you or a loved. One is suffering from a physical or emotional condition that has left you unable to work then. Listen carefully take this number down. Eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one. That's eight hundred five nine three seven four nine one when you call you'll speak with a social security disability expert and get a free evaluation to see if you may qualify for disability insurance benefits from the US government. 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Kwami MASON IS GONNA join us in the third hour talking about African American in the hockey Marisa hockey which sounds very interesting. I just I got a minute and a half years. That's why I want to spend too much time on a mock draft but I saw another rumor today. What I tell you Josh Edwards of CBS. Sports says the REDSKINS ARE GONNA do an Arizona. Cardinals remember they had Josh Rosen and one year later the like man not you cuyler Murray. Now that was for number one overall there to overall so after the bengals. Take Joe Borough. He's saying that they're going to jettison via trade Dwayne Haskins and draft to a tag of the LOA second overall. I'm sorry that's just not GonNa happen if you say. This is the better long-term option. Dwayne Haskins was a better college quarterback than to us a why. I don't know I don't really get it but why people make up this stuff. I don't know and of course the person who is most happy about that would be the person who roots for the Detroit lions because that would mean inexplicably chase young would end up third. And you don't plummet to third unless you're chase young. That is a hot air balloon going very fast. Wouldn't that be something you know? Is it going to happen? No background you're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network broadcasting. Live tweak for seven minute speech. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and Instagram's newscast February the twenty. Eight twenty twenty. I'm Mike Clifford Boston. Public Health officials are monitoring thirty four city wizards for the corona virus at his sick and tens of thousands of people that from the Boston Globe. Meantime health officials in Arizona have confirmed the fifth yours case of the virus and in California more than eight thousand people are being monitored for possible contact with the virus. The trump administration's proposed twenty twenty. One budget takes aim at a number of safety net programs including twenty one billion dollars in cuts to temporary assistance for needy families. If Floyd with the center on budget and policy priorities says if it's approved Texas would lose more than one hundred million federal dollars in the first year alone because only families with children younger than eighteen qualify for the short term assistance program. She says Texas children would be at risk that really is targeting families with kids and making sure that kids are provided for while the parent is looking for a job or trying to stabilize themselves. Ten is meant to help. The Nation's poorest families if a parent loses their job if they can't work due to disability or health crisis or if they're fleeing domestic violence the funds can be used to pay overdue rent and purchase diapers groceries and other essentials. The trump administration says cuts to the program and earmarking funds for additional work. Requirements are necessary to promote self sufficiency. I'm Eric Glass. The trump administration has also proposed cutting. Snap the program fully known as food stamps by eighty two billion dollars over ten years. The proposal would cut the overall safety net spending by nearly three hundred billion dollars over the next decade and education groups are praising a unanimous decision by Ayla hooded committee Wednesday to all of these states. I online community college more from Suzanne Potter lawmakers expressed concern about transparency and duplication of current rings Jeff Freight as President of the California Federation of. Teachers says the one hundred forty million invested in cal- bright would have been better spent bolstering online programs that existing community colleges cheaper. Done it with the expertise of the faculty that are already employed community colleges. Bright College launched on October first and has four hundred fifty students enrolled but just thirty eight. Who are pursuing certificates in medical coding? It or cybersecurity its goal is to help. Working adults get flexible. Low cost job training. Cefta Community College Council president. Jim Mailer says the funding imbalanced in favor of calibrate is start. Calibrate has no fulltime faculty and has been criticized for awarding no bid executive recruitment contract to a friend of the former college president who sues pianist like many states. Michigan struggles with dismal infant and maternal mortality rates. However a new report provides a blueprint for ways to help. Turn the tide. The right start. Twenty Twenty report released by the Michigan for public policy. Notes that despite improvements and outcomes for babies and MOMS overtime nationally Michigan ranked thirty six for infant mortality in thirtieth for maternal mortality Arabella. Zehr with the League says the health of mothers and their children is an important issue for everyone because they are the foundation of society. If we aren't doing well by families it really highlights where priorities are or where they are not if a woman who is expectant dies in childbirth thereafter that has ripple effects not just for her child but certainly for her family and the broader community. The report encourages policymakers to protect women's access to health care before during and after pregnancy as well as extending Medicaid covers to twelve months postpartum from the current level of sixty days. Four public news service. I'm Mary Sherman and AARP recently conducted a survey about IMPOSTER SCAMS IMPART TO GAUGE ADULTS. Former abilities. Just to handle the. Us Census in Connecticut. The findings are worrisome. Forty five percent of Connecticut Dole to responded to the survey said they had been targeted by an impostor scam. The survey is part of a larger. Aarp study on such scans particularly because imposters often may claim to represent the census this year. Mike Hume's associates state director of Aarp Connecticut. He shares the most important results from the Connecticut. Survey seventy one percent of adults in Connecticut survey either they incorrectly thinker unsure whether they'll receive an email link with the twenty twenty cents questionnaire from the Census Bureau is not true the census only will ask people to participate through the US mail but this year for the first time people can fill out the census online. I'm Laura Ross. Tell him reporting. Finally arterial reports to cap off. American heart month when doctors put a spotlight on the different sides of heart attacks between women and men along with common symptoms cardiologists. Rachel men with Kaiser Permanent Day and Seattle says about a quarter of women. Experience Atypical signs such as upper back pain shortness of breath nausea or palpitations. Women also are more likely to have multiple symptoms. Wyman says these uncommon signs can mislead women about their condition their degree or enough of these symptoms. That people may think to themselves. I better go get this checked out. Not necessarily expecting it to be heart related. In both men and women typical heart attack symptoms include chest discomfort and radiating pain into the left arm neck and jaw. Wyman says the best ways to prevent a heart attack or not smoking getting regular exercise and eating plenty of vegetables. I Mike Clifford. Thanks for wrapping up your week with public do service. We are member supported ground line at public. 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But it's down there in Hampshire Old Hampshire not new and there are so many military museums in Hampshire. There was there was actually the roundtable which was fake. That was there. But he had the royal burqas. You had The dragons and yet the royal hands in England. Every county has a nickname. And so on Hampshire. They call enhance S. A. N. T. S. You can write it on your notes. The one that kills me the most is Oxfordshire. You write offs on. Oh Akzo and I don't know why either Hartford sure I get hearts. H. E. R. T. US but I went through the royal hands on the man who fought in it became goes you kidding. Let me show you. And he walked me around. It was really amazing. So if you're in the military I don't know I'm I'm with you I wish I was holding that shield for you but you're brave and I'm not so we appreciate it. We're on the tune in the iheartradio APP. The stitcher APP tune in there. I am hi everybody. We're talking sports. Come back for another hour. 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So it's not like The people you if you're doing this in your twenties you're you're way ahead of me but you're doing a great job. Whatever even if you get on the air in your sixties who gives a crap get on the air and say what you say what you WANNA say Let the World Song Mislead. Sorry I want to do a little hockey now. It was a big night last night for Bobby Ryan before. He even stepped out onto the ice at Ottawa. They're taking on the haves at the Canadian Tire Centre and Ryan was planning his first home game for the sense in over three months and as of course destiny would have it perhaps maybe ended up being a big night for him on the scoresheet as well. You might remember that earlier this year. Ryen stepped away from hockey and he took an indefinite leave of absence because he said I am an alcoholic and I have to admit I'm an abuser. For my own safety everyone around me. I have to stop so he went into the. Nhl's player assist program. And after three months or I should say a month. After a month he felt ready to step back on the ice again but the senators faithful greeted him with a very warm ovation and he continued to give them reasons to cheer because he's not one not two but three times in this homecoming game for him yesterday and it was a big hat trick on a big night for him and it's a great story the first one it was He tipped it in off a Nikita Zaitsev shot and already then at that point the auto the sensor up one nothing but but even then that's gonna put a big smile on his face as he did because he's like. Oh My Gosh. I scored and they. They all hugged him and he went crazy. And he's like wow. I scored on my gold. My first game back home and then he closed out an eventful first period. When he dropped the gloves with Chris. Tanner of Vancouver. Well he would go on to add. Two more goals late in the third. The empty netter sealed the hat trick but the crowd. Bobby Bobby and taking it. All in very emotional On the bench getting huge applause. Everyone's patting him on the back and the senators went on to win five the two. Obviously he's the first star if you want to know what a star is what that means and hockey is at the end of every game they have somebody who wins the star of the game. A second star of the game in the third starting in the third star comes out and throws Parker a little mini stick over and every once in a while. You'll have a visitor as well which is a little odd to say the least but you have a little visitor. Who is one of the stars so anyway it was good. It was a nice little Nice little moment for Bobby Ryan and one other note since we're talking fringe sports in boxing as Tyson fury and Dion Day. Jontay wilder will sort out the particulars. For what will now be their mandatory third fight. The unified heavyweight champion. Anthony Joshua he will have a mandatory challenge and that'll be June twentieth. We have found out Twenty one twenty three in one. Twenty-one Cao's he has the WBO WBZ a an IBM titles and he'll be doing it in his native London against a former title challenger named Pu brought Prulev and this was announced last night from Eddie harm of match room sports. That is the promotional company. This fight will take place at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium which I went to in October for events. For a Champions League game against Bayern Munich where Tottenham shipped seven goals to the other team and for the Raider Bear. Game which the Raiders won that game and I did pre imposed from my gantry spot. There It's supposed to be stream. Live in the states on zone number. We've talked about disown in the past. Da's e n I see it as dazzling or Jason. They want you to say does own. But what if you say well? I thought I just saw heavyweight title. You saw the WBZ title. That's what got from wilder and you got to remember with fear and wilder. They've each loss once in their whole career. And it's to each other which I think is kind of cool but remember he had to announce whether he was gonNA activate his claws for the trilogy and he did that lickety-split after the fight he's like. Oh Yeah not only. Does he want his belt back? He wants to cash. So this guy. You'd say Cobra who love. Who's that well if you look at his record twenty eight and one? That's not bad. But he's thirty eight years old. I mean people say that Joshua well he's thirty now thirty eight so this is a Bulgarian favorite country. His only loss was a title. Bout against Wladimir Klitschko six years ago now. Joshua has not fought in England in two years. That's when he topped. Alexander oppo veteran the battleship Potemkin and Joshua Gold medalist twenty twelve from the London Games. It was a huge story and you might remember last year when he got upset by Andy. Ruiz junior during a USO debut. That was in New York last summer and then he got the title back in. Saudi Arabia was at in Riyadh. That was six months later. But who love like fury recently joined forces with top rank in that will do business with hearn and something that could be a precursor to the Joshua fury fight should both keep their titles and that would be an already talked about this but that would be by far the biggest fight in the history of British boxing. And let's face it. They've had good British boxers before I mean Lennox Lewis who was Caribbean and Canadian. I guess he was British. But can you imagine all four belts? Wbo WBAI BEF WBZ. And whoever was going to win was English I mean that'd be pretty amazing against two fighters who only have one loss in their career. And you'd think well what would the rest of the world care? The rest of the world would very much Karen at one. Eight hundred eight seven eight play and hope our friend. Christian is listening in Houston because I have a little. Wwe News to report from a couple of days. Ago Samoa Joe WWF superstar. His real name is new. Follow say are Noah. He has seen A rough recent months with him ping pong from sidelines to active competition. Well now he has been suspended thirty days for the very first violation of what? The company calls their wellness policy. How New Age is that. This suspension him to return to action before Wrestlemainia. Thirty six and April and Tampa and It's interesting because the wellness policy if you WANNA get into what that was They're not saying what the wellness policy was but recently on TV. Joe Has cited with Kevin Owens and the Viking raiders in a major storyline feud on raw with Seth rollins Murphy and Ao p GonNa know in any of that means but some JOE suspended thirty days record with all the crazy headlines. Come on back. Here's a great way to save money on your prescription medications. If you take Viagra or Cialis we can give you away to pay as little as two dollars. A pill compare. That price is as high as sixty dollars per tablet. 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I saw Rick tittle at the laundromat last night and I was checking him out. I just kept staring at him and he played like I wasn't even there. I be like that then girl. Anc You what's up. Welcome back kwami. Mason's GonNa join us on the other side. I think that name means borne on Sunday. Should I ask that Some NBA notes because we got the saying really last year during the NBA Season Load Management Lebron James Load Management? That's typically reserved for elite teams trying to save their best players for the postseason and yet Lebron's doing it and Lakers aren't going to crap so the NBA had some disciplined for that. They went out and they said No. No no no no no no no no no and there's been finds before the words remember the Spurs got fine when they rested Dunkin and Parker and Ginobili and Leonard. And they're like. No pop can't do that well the NBA drops some discipline on one of the worst teams in the League today. The T. Wolves to people still call them that they've been fined twenty five thousand dollars for violating the NBA's resting policy resting beef ace. It happened on the twenty third against the nuggets when they rested the Ngelo Russell. For no reason now this is not the first game. That deal has missed. Since he's been traded to Minnesota from Golden State. He missed the first official game. At a right quad contusion a game that forced him to miss his second last game with the warriors. He's had a knee issue all year. And the T. Wolves did not disclose an injury and resting Russell against Denver. Instead they listed him as planned rest oops planned rest came back the next night against Dallas. Well the League viewed that as violation of its resting policy and the timber. Wolves accepted it. And they'd issued a statement saying the Minnesota Timberwolves except the League's fine for arresting the Angelo Ruslana February twenty third game versus Denver while we respect the leads guidelines and standards. We are a player centric organization. That's focused on learning and optimizing our players bodies as a new player in our program. We chose to rest you Angelo. And in order to learn his body better and to optimize his health during a difficult stretch of games and travel and quote learn his body. Why do you WANNA be a doctor? I WANNA learn bodies. When do we get the cadaver? I WANNA start slicing and learning bodies. Well listen they make themselves sound like heroes. Yes well abide by your rules. But we're a team that puts our players. I you don't say no. I don't say well also in the NBA. The reigning MVP of courses the Greek freak and apparently he cracked a joke. James Harden expense during the twenty twenty. Nba All star draft early this month when asked by Charles Barkley Barkley if he was going to select hardened during the draft. I have appointed to this day with me on Tinto Cohen. Paul who served as camp captain implied that Harden tends to hog the ball. Saying I want somebody that is going to pass the ball. That's what I want. Everyone had a great laugh. On the set at Genesis Jab but one person who isn't laughing himself is harden who just now has responded to the comment with Rachel. Nick and Rachel Nichols at over at. Espn he said. I average more assists than him. I think so. I don't see what the joke is and I didn't even see it. I don't pay attention to stuff like that. I just know that none of them can mess with me. I wish I could just run and was seven feet and run and just dunk. That takes no skill at all. I had to actually learn how to play basketball and have skill. I'll take that any day and quote. Damn it takes no skill at all to do it. You honest does wow. So is hardens assessment. Correct that's up for debate. I think that's maybe a little bit too simplistic but if you're wondering when they meet next in Milwaukee March twenty-fifth must see TV sticking in the NBA Steph. Curry has been out since October. After breaking his second metacarpal in his bought I mean his left hand that was against the sun's. He has insisted all year long that he planned to return and earlier this week. We had a date now. We appear to be moving closer to a final decision because today curry is going to meet with Steve Kerr and Bob Myers coach and GM and the training staff and they're going to establish a plan for his return to action and they're hopeful that it might even be Sunday against the wizards. I heard Steve. Kerr say something that I thought was great. He said if he's one hundred percent healthy. Why don't we play him? You know how many people pay tickets. And I've sat through garbage. And junk you know paraphrasing and now we have a chance to show them one of the great players and the history NBA Guy. Who'S WADA? Vive just bring so much joy to everyone and we won't play him because he might get hurt if he might get hurt then. We shouldn't play anybody if he's one hundred percent hurt. We won't plan. But if he's one hundred percent healthy then we'll plan that makes us sound a little bit better now. Shamsher Rania said Oh. Yeah he's playing against the wizards Sunday March. I well curse. Said he's only scrimmage twice in fact I think he needs more now. We'll see how it all plays out. Nothing's official he'll play when he's ready that Sunday return date has been something that for sure on steps mine. That's what he wants to play and will when we all phillies ready to go. I think you need something. More than just scrimmage time and. We don't have much of an opportunity to do that. Since given all of the Games well the warriors season which is bad disastrous in the history of the team twelve and forty six the NBA's worst team by about five games. They're virtual lock to be the worst team in the NBA. And even a player is. Transcendent is curry is unlikely to change that. But they want to begin and wraps and they kept talking about playing with younger players. I mean last night. The warriors lost their eighth in a row. At home. Eric. Paschal was great. He scored twenty three bedroom. Green got himself thrown out again surprise. Surprise two yellow cards. If you like to tease and there was no wiggins he was a scratch lot of garbage to sit through but talk about the team. Curry left the one with the NGELO. Russell aforementioned what Glen Robinson the third with Alec burks with Jacob Bevan's and with no Andrew Wiggins. It's a much different team. And that's why they think next year with clay dray curry I mean Lebron. James has proven this season that a year off after an extended streak of finals. Appearances can do a body good but rest is no substitute for health. And the warriors need curry back at full strength if they want to reenter the championship picture and when he gets back on if it's this weekend or not. That of course is going to start that process. But I'm always with Steve Kerr on that. Like the season is no use. Look bring him back Klay Thompson he may you know he's fifty percent then. That would be ridiculous right now. It'd be ridiculous but if he's ready he's ready by the way draymond green who isn't exactly known for his restraint and he's among the lead leaguer and tax almost every year by in town against the Lakers. Last the Lakers were in town. Last night and Lebron James was nursing a groin injury. It was a night for him to chill and they won easily. But when Green got tangled up with Dwight Howard Got His t's and green decided that officials needed to hear his side of the story. So eleven seconds later he was thrown out. But if you go back to Lebron James who traveled with the team and in an apparent effort to avoid Greens wrath. Maybe he was laughing. The whole time about green's ejection. Just laughing and laughing and leaning behind his friends and you know it why not laugh funny to see draymond get thrown out well drawn has fourteen tax. An automatic suspension comes at sixteen. They wouldn't exactly miss him but he's getting paid a lot of cash and one of the few warriors worth watching at this point. I'm arterial come on back on sports while where did you get those close at the toilet store us? Time is short ban. Dumont is it can miss the winning dunk and cost your team the championship. What are your thoughts well? I switched to boost mobile and got a super fast network of four Free Samsung Galaxy. 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Windu broadcasters. Go too far. Where does hilarity stop and vulgarity begins? I remember all be dirty rats. You couldn't stop. I don't ask Rick Tidwell to bring it because it already done got Bra until back with you in San Francisco because to coast and around the world on the American Forces Radio Network and It's our pleasure to be joined by. Kwame May Mason. He is here as part of. Nhl Black Hockey history tour. It's going to be at the Shark tank tomorrow night at a mobile museum be open to the public outside the sap center and then on Sunday over at Oakland. Ice and the museum is free and accessible to everyone. Thanks for being on the show. What was the genesis behind pudding? Dissemble museum tour to To to work well you know first of all. Thank you for having me. Allow me to join you guys and thank you very much crew playing a little too short. We appreciate it. That right there. as far as the genesis of the most museum go. This is our second year of the Mobile Museum last year. the FBI gave idea came from one of our executives. Kim Davis Brilliant Woman Who Just joined onto the national hockey league and You know she had this idea of utilizing a company called 'em Ra that Specializes on doing these types of things and she thought it'd be great to do kind of like a mobile museum dedicated to the history blackout hockey. Now I mean a documentary called so nice past presidents future which is basically About the history black athletes and hockey and so she asked myself and a young lady by Lisa chant who also works for the NHL to Put Our put our heads together and and and come up with an idea where we can celebrate and educate the history of black outfits inside his Mobile Museum. So I just kind of took what I did for my film and just kind of combined that with what you know people would be able to see. Feel touch lead and put together with in this very cool down this shark tank some years ago. My career was a big hit African American or I should say Canadian African Canadian player. But I think now I mean right there at the tank he got e. Canine EVANGER KANE AND PK. Suba on one of the best offensive. Blue Liners you got Wayne Simmons who is just traded. Have you had feedback from some of the present day players of African heritage? Yeah you know Grizzly got to check it out. I haven't spoken to him but you know. Wayne Simmons and PK. Sue Ban. They were on the truck and they really Really appreciate the efforts that were making to celebrate their accomplishments along with their peers accomplishments In the game of hockey I mean this is just one of those steps that are needed to Help US grow the game. Help us be able to Show that we have a long standing history and the game so I think for guys like that you know when they come on the bus and they look around they'd see themselves. They see guys that they played against guys and gals they really looked up to You know they just kind of get this sense of pride and that kind of sentiment that I got from The players who have come on the truck so far I think advocate gonNA come and check it out tomorrow as well so I'm really looking forward to showing him the Trump as well. You know it's interesting. I remember when the sharks went to the Stanley Cup. Another fan favorite and he had some clutch goals in the playoffs was Joel Ward. And he came from Little Prince Edward Island in Canada and Ann Arbor. He'd be interviewed by some of the more traditional American outlets especially out here in the Bay Area. And they're like was it tough for you coming through and he's like not really. My older brothers all played and this is just what is just what we all did Where I lived he. He's just one of the most chill professional athletes that I that I've ever seen. Did you ever get a chance to hook up with Joel Ward? Yeah Joel Who's actually from Scarborough Ontario in Toronto He's in my documentary as well. And you're right. He is one of the most chill guys and You know I it. It's just like inherent to most hockey players to be Very chill very humble and It's no different for the black hockey player as well You know Joel is a great guy. And and like he was so clutch and the play offs. You know he was the guy that I remember the one thing. He's always say to me is like you know a lot of these guys man. They don't look down. Don't look down. I'm always looking down for that puck and you know it's there that that's where I'm going. I'm putting that puck in the back of that so You know I think he had a really great career. Great Story of perseverance To get to where he was where he was able to Have a good career in hockey with the traditional route you know. He was never drafted by like traditionally most play as well so he had to really fight hard and historians very inspirational for young kids to learn and know about You know that there's different routes to to the child. If you work hard you can get yourself a great education and at the same time you can also make your dreams come true. Yeah I stand corrected he. He played in Juniors P. I that's what I was thinking on. -Tario Guy We're speaking with Kwame Mason about the NHL black history hockey tour coming to the shark tank. Tomorrow and Oakland is on Sunday. I'm always reminded of the the Chris. Rock joke where he said. Why don't black guys play hockey because we don't feel the need to dominate yet? Another sport and there's always been back. That's actually that's actually that quotas actually at the very beginning of myself okay. Yeah it's a great way to start it off. Because he he he he talks about you know once. We learn to have a heated rink. And you know we're going to dominate again hockey as well. You know. It's funny as that when I worked in. Tv All through the nineties and when the sharks came in and ninety one and I was working the TV Games. I worked with my buddy Dave who's also from Oakland African American and he said I I can't get into you know black guys. Don't lie hockey and I might just just take a look at it. And he's like Nah people will be disappointed in me if I like hockey and I'm like what's that all about. Is that something to overcome? It's like you're not supposed to lag hockey. Yeah you know it's You know it's one of those things as a person of color. We have a responsibility to teach our children differently when I grew up. I'm sure it's saying when you grew up We were told what we can but we can't do. There was a stereotype as box that we put ourselves into a box. That's assigned put into so for example. You know for when I grew up. Even when I grew up in Toronto Canada you know the narrative was hockey was the white boy spartan and it's not the way for sport. It's just a sport. It's a sport that anybody can play this game. You know where people say stuff like that about it. All Black people don't play sport. I have always correct and business like do you realize the very first organized Sports League for Black Is Hockey. Not Baseball Basketball football hockey. You know when our with our lays from America did the track through the underground railroad and migrated to Canada. They're defending with the first one to start playing the game of hockey and develop the League called the Colored Hockey League of the Maritimes and this was in May eighteen ninety five around to about nineteen thirty and they were the first first athletes devout slapshot. They were the first athletes to develop You know what's known as the butterfly style goal tended so when people of my people talk talk about how we don't we don't have to look at them and say you know that's very counterproductive as a society to tell our children what we can and can't do. We can do anything we want to do. And when we do we do it with style. He's possessed we do it with a class. We do a two point where interest become fresh everything that we touch becomes fresh and if we encourage our children to do anything they want who knows what this world would be. I mean. That's the whole reason why we have to be able to see us doing certain things you know that there's a great movie that we all have or should see which is call hidden figures. Imagine if our young sisters were told that story from generation to generation how many young sisters would be inspired to be mathematicians mathematician. I'm sure at some point. Somebody told our young brothers and sisters. Oh don't do this in education because we can only be craftsmen or we can only work with our hands and that's just a bad narrative and a very ignorant narrative especially coming from our people so to your audience out there anybody in our community that tells you we don't play that for you. Correct them you let them know that we've been playing this sport since the eighteen hundreds very well said one more question for you. I know I mean black history month. We get an extra day this year with the leap year. Hockey is for everyone. That's something that both the Union and the League has been in collaboration with for a while. Right yeah you know. The hockey February program is the the Great you know. It's been ramped up in the last couple of years to really get out there and you know get into different communities different sections of our society. To let people know that it doesn't matter where you come from. You know you album place in this sport and at the same time. The sports is doing due diligence to make sure that became of hockey. Has a safe place for us for our children for. Ltd. L. TB cube throws the sisters you know for our black and browse senses for our disabled brothers and sisters for anybody who wants to play this game. We let them know that hockey is for everyone. And that's that's the that's the model and that's what we want we want to do. You know we're not size defeat. Ignorance designates will always be there. But what we want to say that. If you WanNa try this sport and you want to give it a go you you you the doors open for you and the space is there. And that's the National Hockey League is doing. And and that's what I very much prow of being a part of which is being able to help spread the word of this great game great stuff from kwami Mason. Of course his movie salon is check it out. But he's coca rating the Black Hockey History tour Check it out at the Shark tank tomorrow. Three thirty to seven on Sunday from eleven. Am to four. Oakland. You'll see a really cool wall of hawks every black player in the history of the NHL represented the first captain the first player the first into the hall of fame as well. Cuomo great stuff and really appreciate it and let's catch up down the road man. Thank you please stay in touch and yeah you know and I really appreciate you guys taking the time to talk about art history in this game so I really thank you. Because we need allies we. We need people in our community that will allow us to have that voice to invite all. I'd say it's just give the game a chance. You don't like you don't like it but man if you ever get the bill to a game and see that thing live again until you're gonna be hooked great stuff thanks. I'm Rick Tuttle. We'll come on back on sports If this were just any door and this were just any ignition connected to just any transmission interest any vehicle that perhaps it would be okay to buy it from just anyone but this is not just any car. 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We'll consider making this deal for you for Wrestlemainia but we Goldberg in the main event and not the fien. I don't think there's one person in. Espn that would say anything like that. I think is that anything to do with the ESPN side. When I made this prediction weeks ago I made this prediction because I try to think how I think Vince is GonNa think we want to make it abundantly clear these predictions. I'm not saying it's what I do. I'm saying I've watched this guy for a long time. I've watched him completely fall off the wagon in twenty eighteen. And I don't even know what he's becoming the last couple of years but I look at things and I think. What might Vince do at? I came to that conclusion that you know what if they're to go sheeting to put Wrestlemainia on an over? The top service is GONNA CHARGE. Sixty five bucks. I'll bet you anything this guy's thinking gotta put that dealt on Goldberg not the fiend. That's what I thought he would do. That's what happened now. The reason I bring this up also is because I got a text from somebody today. And the W. E. is announced tonight on smackdown. They've they've given us a preview here. New Universal Champion. Goldberg is officially set for Friday's post super smackdown episode of the show. Super Show episode. Gobert going to be there tonight and Johnson is going to be there as well. It's in Boston. So Johnson is going to be super over the instead of whatever's matches in which is expected to be with the feet right so sorry text me and said I'll bet you anything. That Goldberg is booed tonight. Susie said that I thought you know what I don't know why didn't think about this earlier. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's like the idea. That's exactly if that's his Vinci's idea where you know what we want to get Roman over right. We don't want Goldberg. Everybody's too focused on Goldberg. Not Seeing the next step. This is not about Goldberg. This is about Roman reigns. Well it's partly about Goldberg but if you'RE GONNA do. This Goldberg. Roman reigns match wrestlemainia. I mean here's a want Roman boot again so like maybe the whole Ideas Goldberg. Supposed to be the he'll in this match and that was like part of his deal of Will kill this. Fiend quickly love Goldberg versus Roman. That's a bigger match and Love Goldberg. Going in as a heel again. I'm not saying I do any of this. I'm just saying I look at what this guy does and I think that might be the whole idea by this thing literally just like fifteen minutes ago on twitter the wwe network and this is not by accident. Tweeted out a clip of match from wrestlemania Twenty Goldberg and brock listener where they got booed out of the building. People are not oblivious. This is not a mistake or an accident. Well it's not but it's also the wwe social media departments. They do many times go into business for themselves right but the one. I want to mention and we'll get Mike Stott's here is so earlier today. I guess it was macaulay. Culkin of all people of all people tweeted out. I can even find it here. Basically he said. I'm not going to wrestle mania. Now cancel this case so mad. Goldberg won the title from the Phoenix is not going to Wrestlemainia and bill. Goldberg responded with and I quote duly noted Dork Safari. Oh man as soon as I saw that I thought this guy's he's going. He'll I'm worried that Bill Goldberg is GonNa get hit in the head with some paint cans attached to a string. Your thoughts on this Mike Oh where to begin. I guess You know it's hard for me to believe when you say in in one breath. That Vince his lawsuit over the years. Now he's turning around and playing four chess with his booking and he's an expert again. I just think it's fortuitous. Timing Bray Wyatt was going to get booed against Roman reigns and Goldberg is now going to get food against Roman reigns for different reasons. But it's not because of the great booking. It just comes down to the fact that he wanted a bigger name and it would make for a bigger match and he is not incorrect and what he says and you can debate whether or not you think that they are pulling this trigger. Too soon on the fiend. Or you don't like it then bringing back somebody from the past but I just think exported would is timing now with Goldberg getting booed and I cannot give them the credit for. We'll see this is giving them more credited. I think that they maybe should get for. Having Goldberg. Get booed in this exchange. He was going to get booed against Bray Wyatt by some people. Now we have with frankly in many ways is an artificial pushback from people now going well. I'm going to cancel the network. They'd killed Bray. I've loved braces. The start you know a lot about his overblown and a lot of it is just people doing it because they can do it on social media so. I don't think that they're accomplishing some. Great thing. Here they're bringing back a name from the past. Wait hold on. Let me say this is a great idea? I'm saying I'm trying to look at this from Vincent Perspective. Based on two things that he has done over the last five years for a lot of different reasons like the idea that Goldberg a fifty something year old Goldberg squashes. The fien in like three minutes or whatever was five minutes after. Look what the fien ran through everybody now everybody to defend beat. Looks like a Geek because Goldberg just beat this guy on a show by the way where the undertaker without even taking his coat off squashes. Aj Styles. I mean. I'm not saying at all that. This is some sort of brilliant idea. I'm saying I think that this is Vince. His mindset and this was the idea that he came up with. If you want to argue that it's a great idea. I will argue with you. I don't think it's a great idea at all but I think it's a vince idea and idea. I just I don't know from there. How much to extrapolate out of it other than we've talked about it you know edge and Orton was one thing but now you're bringing back undertaker's specifically because Jay styles and getting shoehorning him into the car and now with Goldberg coming back it's okay. It's just a reminder to everybody that you have not created the stars John Cena coming back to the same sort of way shoehorning him in now at Bray Wyatt. I guess you can say that it makes some sense but it's like again you keep going back to the well with this stuff and yeah. I mean yeah. It's definitely a vince idea. And yet it's going to be a bigger match. I don't know from there. Okay now. The shoulder shrug because we still need programming to get to it. And you're still going to need programming after wrestlemainia main. They never really take that into the account. And that's Kinda why the position they're in after all these years as was near says I've heard more support for the fiend gimmick than last twenty four hours and I have since he debuted. This sudden is just people jumping on the bandwagon. Instant legitimate dislike for Goldberg. Well listen there are some fans who are really mad. Goldberg squashed fiend. Okay there are some but the vast majority of this is people jumping on the bandwagon. I mean that's just what it is. I mean people. People like to go on twitter. It's GonNa make people mad but this is just a fact where he will love to go on twitter and say things that are going to get them likes what yes you hear me. I'M GONNA go lay down so if there's a Hashtag. Wwe network deal all hell retweeted. They'll they'll tweet something that'll get them a like people aren't that. Mad. Yes statistically. No one's cancelling some people are. I'm sure people canceled yesterday. Sent me their screen shots but I heard the same thing after the royal rumble. That Roman reigns one. It's just going to be a slow trickle. It's been a slow trickle. There haven't been these events where all of a sudden like tens of thousands of people quit on the same day. Just slowly trickle. Here's the other thing about the stars. We are now in a time. I think we're past the point where you can do a slow and steady rebuild of all audience that they've lost over the last twenty years. We're at a time. Now where you've got to queue investors and deal with the stock prices. You GotTa do these quick fixes. The time of laying and slow and steady wins. The race is over. Now you've got to sell you got to sell you've got to sell wrestlemainia to the over the top people and make the money now. There's no patience for that build anymore to recreate and build new stars we talk. We're in a microwave era now and the time has come. It's over it's over. Well hold on. 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So this as long as Vince is around the the problem is he's GonNa keep hot shining like he's doing right now and as we've seen a million times in history it only makes things worse you're right but the difference is aws a private company and new. Wwe Is a public company that has to deal with Wall Street and answer the analysts and investors and stakeholders and. That's just the way the world is right. Now they've had it to that since two thousand two thousand one and things of escalated by points in two thousand one they could do slow and steady with certain storylines and it was fine and they should have and the problem is is. I don't think the problem is that they're they're public right now. The problem is vince is lost his mind. Well that's part of it but the problem is also. This has been twenty years of being told that this era of stars is not as good that the other ear stars was better and now that they bring back noon nostalgia Daljit like edge and he has yet to draw ratings hopefully will soon because they're doing a great bill with him That nostalgia is gone even though that nostalgia is making money with things like sonic the hedgehog movie and other things aimed at that generation This is a problem that has been twenty years in the making and the business climate refined ourselves today with Vince in a publicly traded company makes it very unlikely that he's going to have the patience and the discipline to rebuild because that's to cost audiences well and people will not understand that that's what he's trying to do whether he's successful or not he's got different pressures and a different reality. And I think you are where you are and this is the way it is Mike Realities. Been there for quite some time in the reality of reality is they're making more money hand over fist than they ever have in their entire lives and the people that are looking at that aspect of their business have absolutely positively one hundred percent no idea about what is taking place on the screen and they don't understand the correlation between the two that's been obvious from the investors meetings in the analyst reports and all that sort stuff you could rumor that. Donald Trump was going to buy. Wwe Raw just raw. And that's the stock price into a tizzy yet. They don't look at the fact that they are having the troubles that they have creating new stars and the things that they need to do with their core business that they've lost hold of you see how they're actually mutually exclusive yet. Have nothing to do with each other at all in everybody is right in but we are talking about here but the reality of the situation is nothing is going to change. Vince and nothing is going to change what they do until until he is gone and out of the way and who knows when that is going to be but we are seeing lions and winter and to. Jim's point about we are in a new era. I know this has nothing to do with it. But I keep thinking about in the back of my mind top rank boxing and Bob Arum I keep thinking about don king and Don King Promotions in productions and everything those families hold as well as wwe. S and I. I do wonder going forward what the value is going to be on the past and how much that is going to be worth in comparison to what they have right now in their future in their present which they have an embarrassment of riches for what can they do to actually move this whole thing forward and what can they do. In spite events and it is a circular question that we keep beating our heads over over and over again but the reality is no matter what we talk about here once Wrestlemanias over. We're going to go back into the same. Malays as we always do because that's what they've done year after year after year and it's a broken record in it's an unfortunate one and I know it always makes for good copy to talk about but I'm not sure how much can really be accomplished now. You See Mike. It's not the same as because we'll go to extreme rules so it'll be the same matches but people hitting things with weapons. Yes completely completely different. You know why because you can now sell the weapon then as part of the package that you put together and the two pack that you're going to sell for the holiday which puts you in the back corner of having these pay per views with themes that is not good for your core business and again that's circle has been running. You know again over and over again. I know people because of Wednesday night. And because w something new. I know people want to always play that comparison. One thing about wwe is you cannot play equal comparisons with any other wrestling company in the world. No matter how much money that other person has he we can only do that. And talk about it the pro aspect of things. And that's kind of it and I think sometimes you know with things like Saudi Arabia and w having their pay per view coming up and having better. Tv than annexed he has an arguably certainly with WWe's had we can really only talk about the fields of the pro wrestling and sports entertainment and the basics. And that's where a W as well as new Japan and maybe other promotions to you know depending on what you watch are taking the crap out of. Wwe right now at the bottom line is that's all and that's it and and so with all the other flash that we can talk about and things that matter as far as business goes when it comes to pro wrestling when it comes to the sports entertainment quote unquote. Wwe was built on and they've lost their way with a w as well as other promotions are kicking the crap out of them right now and they're going into their great season where they're going to make tons of money but you know yes. It's an unequal comparison. But just looking at it from pro wrestling which is still what I like to do. Sometimes I mean it's more fun to talk about that then trying to deal with how Vince thinks about his business or anything else when it comes to Wrestlemainia because what does it matter person. Sarah here says Brian. How can you look forward to Raines? Versus Goldberg? Goldberg can barely do finish and lift. Bray he only has that in his spear it's time to retire. Well listen forget the booking of the match like the actual entering itself Goldberg. Here's your options. Goldberg versus Roman reigns or who is it. Roman reigns versus the fiend in Ray. I realized that like everybody is really mad. The Bray lost right now but and I mean this in the nicest way possible and I don't even really blame bray. Why but with the exception of one Daniel Bryan match wins. The last time we saw a good match with the answer is never okay so my point in comparing the two matches first off bray whites very heavy guy and things happen in matches and something went wrong with the Jackhammer. That doesn't mean it's the end of the world okay. I'm pretty sure that Goldberg can get Roman reigns apathy do the Jackhammer if the options are Roman reigns in Goldberg. Go four minutes. It's an explosive match and they get out of there. That's option one option two Roman and bray white go eighteen minutes with a Red Light. And they do all of the goofiness. We've seen an every fiend match were Roman reigns. Hits them with a million moves in the FEM- doesn't sell it. And then finally we do a spot at the end. Honest to God. I'd rather see Roman reigns at Goldberg. That that's just me? If you WANNA see the other one that's fine but this idea that we've had like a bunch of great fiend matches and now we're not going to get that great feed match. I WanNa know where those great theme matches. Because I've been watching all of them and I haven't seen him or great. Fiend promos he says nothing on firefly funhouse the little puppets say nothing and do nothing. It's it's got a lot of potential. I liked the dynamic and the vectors of the fiend and Bray Wyatt. I like the idea of the demented children show. But they do nothing with it as well. There's a ton of potential and optically. It looks cool and has been cool on a certain shallow level but if you WanNa talk about the creativity and you WanNa talk about the dimension and the depth. It's not really there on any level that's a WW thing for years. If you think about in this is going back a long way and it's going to rankle some bad memories but if you think about the initial vignettes with Muhammed Hassan Sean. Davar and you look at it and you go look at just the initial ones and go back. It'd be if you put that on. Hbo and gave it to Tom. Fontana and the guys who made you know homicide and is an all those shows in the wire like imagine what you could do with that. Imagine what you could do with somebody with some creativity there. I don't ask that out of my pro wrestling. I'm not going to do that but you look at the start of a lot of characters the WWE has come up with and then you see how quickly they lose their way and Bray Wyatt in some ways frankly because of what the character is and their track record recently he has survived this far better than I think. Some people are giving him credit for and giving ww credit for for screwing it up the scrum. Screw this up far worse and they still May. I just don't think it's going to happen with Goldberg loss. Here and the reality is Goldberg. In Raines is a bigger match. Bray Wyatt for where he's at right now with John Scene. Where he's at right now. That combination together maybe better. I know we've seen it in the past before the white family and all that stuff but still. Maybe that's actually the better move right now. Now where do you go with Bray Wyatt after this? That's the big question and that's the question you asked a lot about. Wwe when it comes to these situations what comes next. Cedric Alexander Upbeat. What comes next. It's not that I league yup got beat what comes next. It's not ricochet just got buried by rock listener. What comes next for all of those men. It has been nothing. We'll see what happens with Bray White. He's got a better chance. But what creatively can you do? They gotta be under PS and QS about that and they have not been so what I mentioned something. Also this person says on observer radio this morning Dave says brock is not subject to the wellness policy. Because he's not there all the time. Primo was subjected to the wellness policy. 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Maybe Goldberg said I ain't doing it by people yesterday saying well. They couldn't have the red light because they were in a stadium. They're the red light in his entrance. So I know they could have the red light wave of red fireworks for. They're pretty cool. Yes yes hi Ni. You're on the air. What's going on and lightness? Has Guys actually reality? I really liked Goldberg winning the championship. Nothing against the Phoenix. They just cover the bigger deal and I don't know if it means anything but know back in Goldberg's Day guys would tell the boss you know. I don't think this is a good idea. At least Iraq installed call. They would tell Vince. I don't think this is a good idea. I shouldn't do this. And what did you know if they're bigger stars for it and to these guys do whatever creative tells them and you know things like says problems crying happens well. I WanNa thank you very much for the call. There's two things here. I mean. The first thing is that I mean the Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin Shawn Michaels. Did they tell Vince whatever they want? Because let's get you fire them and they go to WCW. It's not going to happen. I mean today. They're not firing anybody but now we're at the point where everyone's just afraid to say anything because he won't fire you. You'll just like that'll be the end. You won't be on television. You'll sit at home. I mean you'll make your money but if you like wrestling had said everybody is scared and the ones who aren't scared. I mean I mean this in the nicest way possible in fact I hesitate to even bring this up because you know maybe he was just saying what he thought he needed to say. But when Cedric Alexander was getting buried on TV every week and he had to go on twitter and explain that a dude. I'm I'm in the ring. Heaven great matches. I'm not being buried. I'm in the ring having great matches with Ha styles. What are you talking about like if he actually believe that? Then we gotTA generation here. They don't get it. They've just grown up in this era where they've been taught that just you know being in the ring with the entertainer taken a choke slam He's he got the RUB. That's a million dollar choke slam. I mean come on six one half a of the other. He knows it's bs what he say. But at the flip side he's also got pride. Well like I say one thing. You may be right but then a week ago. He also did that tweet where he said. Frustrated doesn't even begin to explain something like that again now that it will all all that is true. You know he's trying to put a brave face on one day even though appease look at the competitor that he is in the town that he thinks that he is is bubbling underneath. And sometimes that comes out on social media and all of its true and then he'd maybe he backs off of it and look you know. I am happy to be making this big money here. And I'm having great matches. And he justifies it that way because he's got pride in his professional working going out there and doing the job that he's being paid to do whether he should be put in a different position not different story. But you know to. I just wanted to see their personality. And where you are with. A certain person goes a long way. I mean it's not like all of a sudden people have been complaining promoters for years and have been getting the short end of the stick or shorter end than they had walking in the door. You know initially to talk to them so a lot of it has to do with who you are and what you can do for a person or the relationship you have with somebody. It's not like again. Senator can just kick down Vince door and go. This is why I think it's GonNa be. He backs often goes all right. Said let's go ahead and do this. Nobody's going to do that now. Steve Austin does is it. Yeah it's a little different but still I mean a lot of that is time and space. When that stuff happens I think much like the old school local promo you know like sometimes it gets romanticize a little bit too much with guys standing up to the boss and grabbing the brass ring in all the bs that goes with that. Nicholas my man. You're on the air what's going on. Hey Brian Mike Listen. Thank you so much for taking my call Just a quick question. You guys talk creative direction. How you know right now is the time. Wwe should start creating new stars. I feel like every time I go. Well THEY WANNA create a new gimmick or you know create new new talent create like You know some some new stars you know and I feel like every time they try to change someone's gimmick or go a different direction. They give up on them too soon and I guess I'm wondering is the restaurant. It's not really you know like going hundred percent within the. Hey let me help you out here buddy. Okay question for you all right. Thank you very much for the call so I just happened to be watching. I don't know if you guys are aware of this or not. But I happened to be watching retro raw and Nitro from nineteen years ago this week which I review every Tuesday on the Brian Vinnie. Show Okay and nineteen years ago this week. Vincent McMahon was doing angle with Trish stratus where he was allegedly having an affair with her and they were doing all this stuff and Stephanie's get angry about it and the whole nine yards anyway of course at the end of the day it all ends up being a swerve and Vince ends up turning on stratus and he covers her with slot humiliates her and of course this leads to the famous angle where she gets on her knees and she barks like a dog and it's one of the worst things that w we ever did one of the worst things so anyway. Vince does a Promo after he turns on Chris Stratus and this is what he says. Trish your not daddy's little girl. There's only one of those Stephanie. I will admit it for the first time you were daddy's little toy and yeah no what happens to toys. Trish of eventually you get tired of playing with them and play. Time is over. I heard that line from inside the house like my God that is the last decade at least the last decade of wwe. Let's take a Guy. Come up with an idea for him. Let's throw them out there on. Tv of course. Let's handcuff him in every possible conceivable way. Let's cut stupid promos and do stupid things and do stupid jobs. And everything else. And then when he isn't over in three weeks I'm seconds toy towel. Take this guy off television. Oh my God. Vince is said from Toy Story. This is how much of the ruthless aggression. Air these documentaries he talks about people like Shawa O'hare here a Hito Kenzo Suzuki and all of those other guys. That are just like you were talking about that. Were brought up who we could be talking about. As as Retro Era Stars today instead are looked at is well. Wwf failures along line of well. What is my friend? My dear caller is it is. Vince is short term. Memory where I mean short term and long term memory. I mean he doesn't remember nothing from no time. I mean you know we long. Do you know what's funny is like. I wrote about this in my book by the way hundred things. Wwe Fans should know and do before they die that famous. Promo where Steve Austin. Cut a promo on Jake Roberts after winning King of the ring and he did the whole line about Austin three sixteen says I just whipped your ass or whatever okay dude. It was months after that. Promo before that guy started to get over. He cut that chrome Oh and he won the king of the ring and the next day he showed up and he was he was the ringmaster and it was like one guy in the crowd that had like an Austin three sixteen sign dude. It took a long time for Steve Austin to get over even think about this. He even won the King of the ring nowadays. He would've lost in the first round and they were really mad that he wasn't over and that would have been the end of that. He wanted King of the ring. He's still wasn't over the next day or the day after that or the day after that it wasn't until he started cutting these promos in October to set up a match with Bret Hart in November that he started to catch fire October. Now that was starting by the way nineteen ninety-six until he was coordinator Com ca around the WWe coordinated. Thank you coordinated. Ninety eight exactly eight. It took for ever and the same thing with the rock like the. Rock wasn't over on Day. One it took forever for the Rock and the funny thing about the rock by the way is everybody remembers Die Rocky Dye. Well Dude I re watched that whole era you know how few people were actually turning on the Rock and chanting Die Rocky die compared to Roman reigns like after the Roman reigns situation if you go back and watch the Die Rocky Diet era. You'd be flabbergasted it's tiered it's great it was like fifteen percent of the crowd may be turned on this guy and that was enough for instal scion getting over POW. Well you know what he did instead of bearing the guy or taking them off. Tv or beating him. He just turned the guy he'll and kept pushing him and again. It took for ever for one of the most. I would say one of the most charismatic person in the history of professional wrestling. It took a long long long time. And now here we are twenty twenty. Oh Cedric Alexander is over in three weeks. I'm done with that guy. Oh Ricochet can't go. Cut The legs off that guy. He has no patience for anything. That's the problem I remember hearing Kurt Angle talk about meeting with Vince McMahon. And how they were going to set him up and trying to make him the good guy when things started to go south. Okay now. You're just going to really play up. The three eyes think he'd be really Annoy Edwards. Couldn't keep going with it and going with it until they hate you and that's exactly what happened and there could have been a time where it wasn't working as a good guy. They could kill them. Dead wasn't working as a bad guy. Just being annoying now. We're going to kill him dead. They gave him time to marinate. They let him found a way to be Kurt angled prowrestler and they went with it and look we got out of it. We got a guy who became a wrestling observer newsletter hall of Famer in a short period of time than I believe anybody else. It's just an absolute phenomenon that to this day is incredible to think about what Kurt Angle actually been able to accomplish in condition. He's been in and that whole thing could have been just like that disappear. Gone today probably would have been all right. He added this person here. Says what's the point of Goldberg Turning Heel? Besides the business going up. What Point Goldberg? Turning heel is so that Roman reigns will be cheered. That's that's the point I mean. Would I turn bill? Goldberg in his fifties. He'll are you kidding me. Goldberg Goldberg wants to be the hero for his son and further kids. Goldberg has got criticized. We're all you want. But he's got a value system where he doesn't WanNa be the bad guy. He sees wrestling doesn't see a lot of positive role models in his eyes and he. That's part of the reason he's doing it. Maybe maybe the millions of dollars also has has it affect at his son watching him wrestle but he wants to be the hero Goldberg. I don't know if you could talk him into anything else. Maybe I don't know that's why I don't i. It's just fortuitous. That people are now going to Bill Goldberg and some of it again is artificial because of now this push back with Bray Wyatt but the reality is is. It's things are going to go for. Roman reigns with Goldberg in that ring. Exactly how they're going to go and I don't think you could manipulate that any better than what you could do with him and with Bray Wyatt so. This person has an interesting comment here. He says I feel like WBZ's booking really started taking. Nosedive convinces appeared to Asia decade. Since he took the insane Headbutt from Kevin Jones. Well I wouldn't say. Vince is h decade. Since then because they had some footage on some show of him in two thousand nine and might have been sometime this week but he looked old in two thousand nine so he's just an old guy but it's funny. You mentioned that the the worst I've ever seen. Wwe was October two thousand eighteen. October twenty nineteen and he did take that head but in January of two thousand eighteen. But it wasn't until eight months later then everything fell off the gets ten months later. I don't think he was the head but plus bad. It wasn't that hard but he had. This guy shouldn't be headbutts back in a moment. 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And you're going to hear some of their commercials in this particular program That did that. They specialized in it and they specialize not only in doing that but in what was considered the Ivy League. Of course that would be much later than this particular program. Let's listen to this episode of the New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes as it was originally broadcast. Seventy one years ago today John Stanley stars February nineteenth nineteen forty nine from New York City. The makers of clipper craft clothes for men and more than twelve. Hundred leading retail stores from coast-to-coast resent that immortal character created by Sir Arthur CONAN doyle? The world's most famous detective Sherlock Holmes starring John Stanley. This week story the adventure. I'll be east end. Spangler expect to find here. This has a killer theme vision diabolical killer seeking another victim a principal crime shrewdness vicious Jack. The ripper Lord. What's what's that screens. Ingram a victim of eastern strangler. We're at the door of Dr John Watson. Study and we're about to hear another of his adventures with Fabulous Sherlock Holmes. Well good evening Mr Headaches that evening Dr Watson and what memoir you compiling tonight Sir. Tonight Mr Harris. I'm hard at work on. Adventure that was sheer. Terror is unparalleled in my member if you can imagine a lurking shadow in the dock. The agonized scream of a stricken woman all London held in a grip of DOC. Hara bit ahead of my story. You've got me on the edge of my chair. Now Dr Watson. What's this adventure called my friend? Homes always refers to it as the adventure the East End Strangler and after you give out audience a few hints on clip across close to. I shall proceed without studying regardless of what? The weatherman says the calendar tells us that mouths the time for a new spring suit. A good-looking spring. Suth lifts your spirits and makes you feel the way you look like a new man. 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A shadowy terror began to haunt the ducks soup London. A woman was started in shed wool. Another in wapping and soon. The name of the Eastern Strangler was enough to strike terror and every the official police were helpless against this cruel pitiless and give it a shrew morale then one foggy night in Redcliffe near the Tim's lady came running through the fog. Live here now lady. What's up. He's just a cost highway betty. Now Miami Short Strike. That's comfortable have lost just a moment to this. Is He that lane their street right? You just go down to the come to commercial road east. You'll be able to have this me. I think about now man. You just follow my instruction I'm going back and look for this eastern Strangler. There isn't a man on the fossil. Hasn't been Chinda. Get him standing there you evening by. That's a lovely throat. You have my dear so graceful and white like a swan. Sm- idea strangler city stem strangler. And her I guess shots over smooth so smooth like silk and graceful so gracious such a Pretty D'Amato likeness of extra up. Can I do on else? Can I use to the chorus of my hands? Don't cry don't fight and struggle. The others like the crowd too but it was useless in a moment. You'll feel no pain now. It is all the my idea. And it's such a pity such a pity but then my what else could I do? Doctor Watch them this affair of the East End Slang. Rhyme forced to admit as out of hand so we have observed in the newspapers. They home just like Watson quite I must say inspecting. This cottage rather late in the game is summoned my creek and myself the official police bungled found badly. I should say Lady Wyndham. Last night was just done. I've no doubt he's putting the fall. Dr Watson. The man's uncanny a genius I might say he moves about like a shadow strikes and vanishes constables withdrawn S. But the Vegas seems to be onto the please every step of the way. He's a new every crap we've set for himself. Then we must baked the hook with a more subtle. Yom Ideal start not supposed to be examined. The facts ask first. Spangler chooses only women as victims. We know that these women are high breeding and good seconds they doing in the slums these Stenholm. That's an excellent question. My Dear Watson and a curious circumstance which will be an investigation but now that is examined the exact geographical area anglers operations. You have a map of London. Yes that's right here on my desk. Nothing gentlemen the Piston was founded Shaniqua. The second in wapping. Yeah Windham at erector now draws circle around these points. Joe So all. In the borough of stepney precise frog strangler of some pertinent reason has limited his activities to step in the east end of women. Perhaps but I'm more inclined to believe it's either design all circumstance. Now let us proceed without investigation now. Now what's unusual? Examine Lady Wyndham. Body the Macho. They stridently once. In this east end stranglers not only one crew but senator you struck and lift no crew on the body yes inspecting. Stran- a question. Yes Mr Holmes are no plea. Wyndhams purse is torn open and empty. Was this true in the case of the previous victims. Yes offensively. The motive is simple robbery. But I have an idea motivates than meets the eye. What's your homes for some rather routine for a day onto we must investigate. The personal lives of the stranglers three well-to-do victims and ascertain why they went to Stephanie. And the dead of night as suggestion for myself. I have indeed misconduct. I suggest that you place a curfew. All at stepney butter off all residents to be indoors by nine o'clock service took ninety Margaret Man. Oh Oh it's you marry but you know addressed shoulder. You're not going to add at this time of knocked alone. Yes it's edged but it's dangerous man. What would the strangler walk in the streets and take John's to fogging I'd have done? I don't think anyone who is seating man but it's all too much for a poor girl like me. Why should the going out on a not like all? Now Mary you remember my confiding you about George The mad I almost twenty years ago. I got a letter from this morning meeting Margaret. Then he's alive he's kind of Columbus. Yes but he's in desperate. Straits Mary or you understand hiding in the slums of stepney. The police pursuing him for something he didn't do. You need money money to get away. I must bring it to him to knife alone and merely yes sliding Morgan. Not Breathe a single word of this to anyone. Everything I've told you now. Before is in the strictest confidence your understand very well go back to the servants quotas go to bed. I won't be back early this morning. George George Open the doors Margaret George. How this House teams? Doc Am afraid. You won't find anyone who might be called coach. You Know Lady Margaret. No no no such such a pretty white from such a sup long. 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Sweden may join the proposed North Atlantic Treaty Alliance within six months Denmark prepared to follow Norway in appraising the costs benefits and hazards of joining Norway. Already has indicated she is prepared to Castro Lot with the western powers in the face of Russian pressure to stay out of the pack in Sweden. High officials acknowledged privately. Their country can no not much longer continue the isolation policy which has kept her a piece for more than a century. The leaders clearly have their eyes toward the West Finland. Another country on Russia's doorstep is tied to the Soviet Union by Mutual Defense Alliance which is a heritage from wars between the two defends indicated. They were worried that the Russians might insist on more military basis to their eve on their soil. Thin said they would fight. The Soviets attempted to violate the treaty. One student killed jumping from fire escape. Another died of burns twenty six injured yesterday as fire destroyed a one hundred twenty two year old dormitory at Kenyon College in Gambier Ohio officials with the exclusive all male school fearful that the death toll might be higher. Five students still unaccounted for and officials told the school meeting. Probably no more than two them were away from the campus for the weekend a college faculty members complained to the American Association of University Professors. They were fired because they openly supported Henry a wallace for the presidency. Wt La Prod Duke University History Professor told the Association's annual convention that the somewhat indecisive evidence in hand prevented determining whether most of the complaints were justified. He did not name any of the eight Army units through their support yesterday to a bloodless revolution which deposed president royal role loan of Paraguay while most of his cabinet was attending a week. Saturday night elite Milan Lopez. Who was all lands? Minister of Education took over the presidency marking the six successful revolution thirteen months and the second in four weeks in the turbulent country of Paraguay in Denver a twenty year old masquerade as a man was ended yesterday by a thirty six year old woman after her daughter disclosed the secret jailed for investigation misses. Billy Morrison said. She did it. Because it's easier to get along in the world as a man detective Sergeant William Sanders said. She was in a bar with her daughter duty. Nineteen when they started arguing. The argument continued at home and to ran into the street. She said and told Father Secret. To a passing patrolman both were taken to jail for investigation. Sanders said the daughter refused to talk about her part in keeping the secret. Mrs Morrison dressed in checkered shirt and Tan. 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Texas yesterday became the first woman officer in the Navy to be stationed in Europe. Navy announced. He is on duty in Frankfurt Germany during the last war waxing army nurses got into Europe and navy nurses to England but waves were prevented by legislation from serving outside the United States and its processions from Long Beach California. One hundred kids in one hundred dogs. Saturday help Eduardo. J buckner celebrated his fifty third birthday happy because as a Lebane- rolled cocker Spaniel had recovered from a recent serious ear. Operation Buckner paid the liberation fees on every dog in the city pound presented them to the excited youngsters buckner saying. I never had any dogs when I was a kid. I'm glad I could make these boys and the dog's happy the cost four hundred dollars. Today's top news stories as reported in the newspapers of Monday February twenty nine th one thousand nine hundred forty nine on your radio. The new adventures of Sherlock Holmes which continues now on Classic Radio Theatre. And I'll talk to Dr Watson you're telling us of the bench of the East End Strangler. Yes Mr head us. I walked hose. I would've Baker Street late that night going over the results of our routine investigation. We received an urgent message from inspectable struck. Least and strangler been abroad on the dock streets of stepney again struck again like a ghost in the far leaving his dead and mangled victim behind this time lady Margaret Lindgren naturally homes and I lost no time in getting to the scene then homes. Who discovered the funny inspecting a strong? Why one of my men heard screaming drums. Dunstable Wilson. You ran up to his heels off. In the fog possible higgins join us in a moment later on the two of them. Such the found nothing. Nothing nothing strangler. Banishment defend them. I don't see how he got through my Bob With curfew. Remarkably Travel Philo. This kind of odd. I do not admire his calling but I I must confess a certain grudging respect for his ingenuity. This is almost English. What NEXT CAREFUL? Examination of the body Watson the same wanting attack you see one moment what is I note? The contents of Lady Margaret touched. It contains two hundred pounds and a Lotta Strangler must have been surprised when he could make away with the money. Homes aren't Watson quiet. This letter of interest be at the moment of course funds. From someone named George Nolan Myra. According to the text all Muse is bogus inspector and so as George obviously a pretext young victim into this area. But it should have looked watson you to start up some small. Blue threats clutched fist of the victim. Blows you consider them significant. I do indeed come up late. Find Cabin Rotunda. Because Street time enough tomorrow to calm down this case. I'm completely baffled by the Strangler. You Watson I cannot say the same hill of our investigation today about. We found each victim on the day of butter and withdrawn on launch sum of money from the bank. As you know we know that the killer his victims of some of the east end and specifically to step name through the use of bogus letters according to be from old friends on of a little bit of this this fellow who's taking the mental object. The robot must have had access to intimate and personal information concerning his intended victims. That seems reasonable. And therefore nick step to pay visit to the home. The latest victim democracy and Christian have personal made could tell us that she was asleep. Didn't hear laid out. I'm afraid we didn't get very far here on the contrary what we did. What do you mean the contents of her selling basket? It was significant that but come. That's beyond Scotland Yard Scotland Yard to talk to inspector trod and then to inspect the police who will be on the look for the strangler tonight so these of Metropolitan Police assignments eight astounded at is correct as you see. London is divided into believes area. Is the names. The constable decide Jerry era listed near as quite I cannot say that I'm impressed by all techniques of criminal investigation by the UNSCOM but I must say these police records or an excellent homes. What does all this mean while you taking such an extraordinary interestingly affairs with the police the concerts mixed only by way of the official police that we can hope to arrest. East End Strangler. Oh No oh. I'm glad to know you're going to require out close cooperation for one quite nothing to start. I understand you requested a special inspection of the police constables before they ventured into stepney tonight at the top come. What's in view this inspection? You may find it most interesting gentleman as you see them in a waiting for inspection. I'm looking squad of men on the Post. We review the constables novelist. Run up you say homes. This reminds me of the old days. The Almond I recall one day. The general reviewed by brigade in Bombay you What is your name constable? You mean mission I do indeed. What is your name Higgins Sir Edward Pigott? Oh Yes yes yes. I read your reporting on what happened last night that he need that. It can size like you said I cannot say the same personal appearance however what do you mean Assange Tunic? Manual TUNICA been taught in rezone with new threatening? Perhaps you can explain. The reason for this post running big window made good. Escapee has indeed been under for the moment anticipate moments from now on it. 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Radio Theatre here on your favorite station now. The conclusion of Sherlock Holmes starring Tom Stanley as it was originally broadcast seventy one years ago February. Twenty eighth nineteen forty nine. Uh-huh would it would Hagen very quick. What are you doing you supposed? To be on duty homes. Mary's meals games. I've got to get out. Get Away to the hideaway on the continent it would. Then I'll go with your life. We arranged we'll go together right now. Back old father. What Made East End Strangler still has another to do another neck to twist? What do you mean yours? I did not too much about you know what I'm going to hide out from. The poll will be short. A woman from your. Can I show the money I took from those ladies? Ill plans of my own actions of the Glue Spoil Sole Smooth pitchy entity but what can I do from home? He's going to rush. You out flung him right over your shoulder. But he's unconscious like what's he made the mistake of being off balance on the attack no constable lines. Yeah suppose you go out and find another comfortable to arrest him and this woman as accessory long. I see so many the me through the gossip of other southern learn to those women with Pasta and told a strangler. It's backed up. How did you know that he was a member of the official please? Mr All of this. The Star Remember Constable Higgins had an intimate knowledge of police strategy and therefore was able to the patrols by them. All Lady Margaret been cocked strangled during curfew when police constables but allowed on the streets recall to Higgins by curious. Coincidence was close to lady Margaret. When she was the Higgins Patrol area always been Stephanie District. Quite the blue threads. Let him up. It's cliched head. What about them? What they were the same color as the tunics worn by the London bobbies she tall. Higgins's color in the struggle and he had his accomplished merit. I had it prepared. I had only to inspect the police line and powder with ripped caller Yuli rezone. Oh I must say conducted Arava sound investigation. Yes very professional. Thank culas strong high. I appreciate the compliment and I hope you will not hesitate to call on me in the future. It's always a pleasure to rescue the official police from their own. The stakes Doctor Watson. That was some event. Yes Mr Harris and I'm happy to say that while the personal maid. Mary received a life sentence for her part. Eastern Strangler was hosted by his own. Todd speak on a rope new Chris. Safe and not Watson what adventure with your relate to us next week next week Mr Harris. I should tell you of an VINCA which I have entitled Mudder on a wager. 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