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Endeavor ending $400 million deal with the Saudi government
"I'm Kim masters and this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Matt Bellamy of the Hollywood reporter and Matt at the ongoing crisis round the apparent murder by the Saudi government of journalist, Jamal kashogi is affecting Hollywood. This is apparently done at the behest. We believe it's it's still not definitively stated, but there's a lot of evidence pointing towards Mohammed bin Salman the crown prince and Hollywood has reacted in most notably endeavor, which is the parent of William Morris endeavor and other related businesses and fashion, and and rodeo, and all kinds of things. We have reported that endeavor is going to get out of a four hundred million dollar investment by the Saudi government. And this is something that they, you know, Hollywood has long done business with who knows what and doesn't generally like to question the providence of money because Hollywood is always so very hungry for money. But in this case, as the parent, particularly of. William Morris endeavor are Emmanuel, the CEO of endeavor reacted and it's a hard thing to give four hundred million dollars that companies quite leveraged, but they did it. And this was the most aggressive move that we have seen because a lot of media companies have pulled out of this conference is taking place next week in Riyadh, nickname, votes in the desert. Right? And that's that's one step. And we see most media companies except notably FOX has not yet done that, but it's another thing entirely to give up hundreds of millions of dollars that has been commissioned to your company and are you manual is very, very committed to growing his company. But this was an untenable situation. I mean, we had heard rumblings of clients of William Morris endeavor being upset about this and making it very known to our Emmanuel that they were upset. This would have snowballed into the kind of situation where you would have had defections. We heard about rival agents sending emails to William Morris clients. With the subject line Saudi money and saying, hey, come on over to us. We don't have any, but the larger issue here is not just an endeavour giving back this money. It's this long history of Hollywood companies taking money from pretty dubious sources. And I wonder if this is going to be a tipping point where people are going to really start to question some of these sources of this capital. I don't know. I mean, there are some specifics here. One of which is this is an incredibly public crisis involving this alleged murder. This parent murder and William Morris endeavor happens to have very high profile journalist clients like Ronan Farrow Mika, Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough. John Oliver, who devoted a show to how terrible this is. And so they were in a place where this could quickly become a public deductible, and it is oftentimes swept under the rug where the money comes from. People just don't want to question it. It's rare for it to be such a public situation, but you know, Hollywood, embrace this guy Rupa. At Murdoch hosted a party for him. Hollywood royalty came Mohammed bin Salman, and he is a guy now who is, I think, despite Trump's efforts to apparently try to sweep this thing under the rug, he is basically a pariah and it is. I think that's a specific set of circumstances. That red carpet that was rolled out in April for MB. S.'s people are feeling a little bit dumb about having gone to that. Absolutely. Thank you, Matt. That's ma- Belony editorial director of the Hollywood reporter. He joins me this Monday at two o'clock on the business. I'm Kim masters and this is the Hollywood breaks.
U.S. Sanctions On Iran Could Impact How Trump Responds To Killing Of Jamal Khashoggi
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from the fresh market, offering prepared sides desserts in ready to heat meals for your thanksgiving celebration, plus fresh Turkey spiral sliced Honey ham and more details in recipes available at the fresh market dot com. More than a million barrels a day of crude oil have been taken off the global market. Thanks to the Trump administration's decision to sanction Iranian oil exports. The White House is looking to Saudi Arabia to help replace that lost oil, which means it's relying on the Saudis just as their countries implicated in an international scandal. NPR's Jackie northern reports. The US sanctions are intended to take a Ronnie and oil exports off the global market. The administration is even warning that countries that import Iranian oil could face stiff penalties that's causing concern about where they will get their crude in the future. Jeff shot is with the Peterson institute for international economics. And so as the United States official. Went around the world. Are you doing that countries should stop buying wealth from Iran, they had to as part of their argument ensure those countries that there wouldn't be an oil shock, and that prices would go up in those countries who would be disadvantaged in an effort to prevent an oil shock? The Trump administration is allowing several countries to continue buying oil from Iran for at least the next six months, and it's continuing to pressure other oil producing countries to make up the shortfall. And that's where Saudi Arabia comes in Saudi is the main country that uses looked words because only Saudi has significant spare capacity cliff Cup chin is the chairman of Eurasia group, a political risk consultancy company. He says Saudi Arabia is the only country that can easily ramp-up oil production. Adding an extra half a million barrels a day in short order more over the long term the administration felt confident Saudi crude could help avoid a disruption in the global oil. Market after the Iranian sanctions took hold. But that was before the death of journalist Jamal kashogi in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul Cup shin says now, the Trump administration is under enormous pressure to penalize the Saudi government for its role in kashogi staff league Shoji incident makes the Joe politics of this episode more complicated. The issue we're gonna see unfolding is sending an appropriate message that this is unacceptable without being so harsh as to Venezuela to the point where they say tack with us we're cutting production. That's the tight rope that were walking here. President Trump has threatened the Saudi government with severe punishment. If it's leaders order could show. Jeez. Death raising the specter of retaliation Saudi Arabia has used oil as a weapon before during the nineteen seventies oil embargo, but Rachel MBA. An adjunct fellow at the center for a new. American security says the Saudi government supports the Trump administration's tough stand on Iran and could use the bump and revenues from increased production. My view is that the Saudis are unlikely to use that oil weapon because their focus is so much on being a stable provider of fuel to the global economy. Now, they might provide it in smaller volumes or more delayed on they do it in less coordination with the United States. Either way. The Peterson institute shot says, he's not sure it's a good idea for the US to rely too much on Saudi Arabia's spare production capacity to make up for the Iran shortfall. He says right now supply and demand are balanced. But what happens if there is another emergency that takes significant amount of oil off the market, then we could have a different situation and a sharp spike in oil prices. So even savvy oil can't guarantee that prices. Won't rise. Jackie Northam, NPR news. Support for NPR and the following message come from Cirque du so lay crystal a frozen playground of world-class ice skating and stunning acrobatics. See it live at Capital One arena from December fifth and ninth. Tickets available now at Cirque du so lay dot com.
"The crown prince of Saudi Arabia. Agai people call 'em b. s. may have just made a very big mistake. All right. Not to this disturbing story in an era where the press is under attack all over the world. The Washington Post is reporting. One of its columnists has gone missing at a consulate in Turkey members of the United States and Turkish governments think that m b. s. authorized hit squad to travel to Turkey and covertly, kill a Saudi journalist, who was there the crown prince may have thought, no one would notice, but people noticed and it's not going away. Jersey. Cried. Hi. Jamal crusher. She is a fifty nine year old journalist. He's also a Washington Post columnist. He was last seen October second in Istanbul, entering the Saudi consulate to get a document so that he could marry his Turkish fiance. He hasn't been seen since Alexia. Underwood is a foreign editor vox Turkish authorities or claiming that he was murdered in the consulate. Off to Turkish police announced they were conducting a murder investigation, Saudi Arabia, state news agency denied accusations. That special g was murdered in their consulates. So the Saudi government is denying that they've had any involvement saying that he left the consulate through another entrance. They're also saying that they're looking to find him and they're concerned about his whereabouts and that they're cooperating fully with the Turkish governments vestich in three days later, turkeys for ministry summoned Saudi Arabia's, embassador to Ankara and crown prince Mohammad bin some months Turkish police could search the Saudi consulates. They then invited journalists into show Jew was not there on Tuesday night. The Washington Post reported that US intelligence had actually intercepted communications of Saudi plans to lure hush. Oh, gee, and to bring him back to Saudi Arabia. They also said that the investigation has expanded to include the consul general Muhammed Delo tables residents since vehicle left the car. Consulate and went there for few hours round the same time that the journalists disappeared, and also the Turkish staff, the consul-generals house were told to take the day off. So that sounds kind of suspicious. The New York Times also reported on Tuesday that shook she was assassinated at the direction of the Saudi Royal court. So they're saying according to their sources that the direction came down on high to assassinate him and different officials. Different Turkish officials in different sources have said that there's a team of fifteen Saudi agents who flew from Maria d- and arrived in to private planes last Tuesday the day that the journalists disappeared and then left hours later. There's also all these gruesome rumors that are circulating. There's a Turkish official said that he was killed, and his body was dismembered with a bone saw. And they're also saying that there's video of the murder, but these things of yet to be confirmed. Wow. I mean, no one even knows if he's dead for sure. Nobody knows for sure. Could show Jews feel sate was pace. Getting up and down outside the consulate more and more anxious. Tell me a little bit more about Jamal, hush? Oh, gee, what's his background? He's not your quintessential dissident or activists, which is why this is a little bit more surprising to, no, I don't want my civil position. I always say I am just a right that I want a free environment to write and speak my mind, and that's what I do in the ocean post. So he was a prominent journalist in the kingdom for for several years. He made his career in the eighties nineties, working as a foreign correspondent for different Saudi newspapers, traveling across the Middle East Hanner viewed Osama bin Laden several times. And is that really fair again to comment dissident? He edited the Saudi newspaper, a what? He was a director of an Arabic language news channel, so he was pretty prominent and part of like the establishment. And then he also used to enjoy close ties to the Saudi Royal family. He worked as an adviser to prominent Saudi pr-. Rinse, who used to be the former head of intelligence, but over the past year. Oh, it say a year and a half with the rise of the new crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, hush. She become more critical of the Saudi government and as Mohammed bin Salman or MB is we know him his crackdown on free speech and sort of a rested. A lot of hustle, shoes, friends and writers intellectuals. He became afraid that he was going to be arrested. So he left the country in the summer of twenty seventeen. He resettled in the DC area and he said he was living in self-imposed exile. So we'll kind of things has he been saying about NBS who's the Saudi Crown prince who's essentially the lead of the country? I have some examples from pieces that he's written for the Washington Post. Here's a columnist for the global opinion section. Con from last September, which was titled Saudi Arabia wasn't always this repressive. Now it's unbearable. He writes, my friends and I living abroad, feel helpless. We want our country to thrive and to see the twenty thirty vision realized we're not opposed to our government and we care deeply about Saudi Arabia. It's only home we know are what yet? We are the enemy. I've made a different choice now. I've left my home, my family and my job, and I'm raising my voice to do otherwise would betray those who languish in prison I can speak when so many cannot. I want you to know that Saudi Arabia has not always been as it is now. We Saudis deserve better. And then he also wrote in April of this year in Saudi Arabia. At the moment, people simply don't dare to speak. The country is seen the blacklisting of those who dare raise their voices. The imprisonment of moderately critical intellectuals and religious figures, and the alleged anti-corruption crackdown on royals and other business leaders. Women today should have the same rights as men and all citizens should have the right to speak their minds without fear of imprisonment for replacing old tactics of intolerance with new ways of repression is not the answer. Did he know that he may have been risking his life sororities kinds of things? I think he did in August. He told a journalist who is a contributing writer to the New Yorker that that he thought that the Saudi government was after him and that they were, they would love to see him killed at least expressed his fears to too many people that he just couldn't keep living there made it in my life. I count retired here in America happily under just non-involvement issues and go on with my life, but motive for regular on children. What would he made the most is one monitor all it always go wrong in any country with talking about Saudi Arabia or Germany or Iraq. So who is NBS he's he's new to the Saudi leadership, right? Yeah. So NBS or Mohammed bin Salman. He's the crown prince and he is the heir to the throne. He's also essentially the defacto data. Day ruler, Saudi Arabia. He really consolidated power in June of twenty seventeen where he plotted against his cousin Hamad bin knife and pushed him aside. And he has tried to paint himself as this sort of reform minded like young progressive leader in in some ways, you thirty three years old. He's lose interest rate on women driving in the kingdom. He's allowed cinemas to open. But at the same time, he's also engaged in this purge of opposition and he is crackdown on activists. He's imprisoned dozens of activists. He's he's crackdown on free speech and any dissident voices in the kingdom are in danger of being thrown in prison. This point, even if somehow an investigation uncovers that Huzhou was murdered, will there be consequences for NBS. I don't think that there'd be consequences for him Bs. I do think that it would definitely change the relationship between her gains Saudi Arabia, and it could put strain on the relationship between the US and Saudi Arabia since hush, like she was a resident of the US. President Trump has said that he's concerned about what's happening is version situation, bad situation. We want to get to the bottom of it. So on Wednesday, a bipartisan group of senators sent a letter to the Trump administration asking them to impose sanctions on anyone who responsible for the disappearance of the journalist, and this letter that the Senator sent triggered something called the global Magnitsky act of twenty sixteen. Now, this allows the US to impose sanctions on individuals who have committed human rights abuses anywhere in the world. So the Trump administration now has one hundred twenty days to decide whether or not to impose sanctions on Saudi officials, and this puts Trump in a tough spot. I don't like the concept of stopping an investment of one hundred ten billion dollars into the United States because you know what they're going to do. They're going to take that money, spend it in Russia or China or someplace else. So I think there are other ways if it turns out to be as bad as it might be there, certainly otherwise handling the situation. First of all, it should be known that President Trump has been very, very supportive of Saudi Arabia, an NBS he hosted NBS at the White House. He chose Saudi Arabia's his first trip abroad, and also the US has supported the Saudi led or in Yemen, which as we know is really horrific war. It's a bloody war. Tens of thousands of people have been killed, and the US is selling arms to Saudi Arabia, the refueling planes they're sharing intelligence with the country. So the US could withdraw their support or they could stop helping the Saudis. This really violent were in Yemen. As the government and NBS disappeared. Others, there are stories of Saudi ex pats who have been arrested or superior to their stories of distance or activists who were arrested in the United Arab Emirates and enjoying and a Saudi activist in Canada who makes you videos making fun of MB ests and also calling out the Saudi government further horrific human rights record has had two of his brothers and his friends and Saudi Arabia arrested. NBA is trying to send a message to Saudi ex-pats and dissidents and activists wherever they may be saying. If you speak out against the regime, even if you live in the US even if you have visiting another country, you aren't out of our reach. We can still get you. Coming up. I'm going to speak with a Saudi dissident who has been threatened by the government. He's scared of the government, but he's not going to be silenced. 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Genius isn't easy way to compare and buy life insurance. This is the so damn busy hidden in London. Did I send a message to king salon? We ought to few, yes, center. I'm sending a message to someone. He enough the out of the of the in. So the continent. What do you think happened to him? Oh, my God. What I think cub into him. I don't think we will never hear from him again, whether he's back Simpson Sodhi or he has been killed at that council. And it is very, very scary. Ghannam almost didn't personally know Jamal Hushovd, but he knew his work a, you know who, from his articles, which I do respect and duty them. And I also did criticize him in photo work can with the government for this too many years and only figure now a later date that they are evil, not just impious himself. All of them. Donham is less of a journalist more of a dissident, a thorn in Saudi Arabia side? No, I it's not them speech. Basically, the real family treats everyone likes life. We cut the Lockton eating. You can't sit us your own opinion you what your back end, your careful of what you're saying because making any mistake or saying that think about the government audits could Saizen the Royal family, you'll end up in jail, so you live and feed all the time since he left Saudi Arabia and moved to London in two thousand and three. He's amassed hundreds of thousands of followers on social media where he lambasts the Saudi government for a living. I have YouTube channel. Two of them has been taken down by the Saudis an my YouTube channel right now the last one which I created into those fifteen still upon runnin, which I'm grateful for it. Good. Then f. c.. Mafia, tony. Eighteen. I'll sit the Gaylord who the Muslim. Joan at this odious this threat my YouTube channel for no reason from time to time. So it's ongoing wall, you know, side but will. And yeah, I'm using my Twitter account which is going well, and I have no issue with Twitter. What do you post on your YouTube channel? What do you do online? I could them. I make joke of them. AM free. And I say what I believe, what kind of jokes give me like an NBA joke m. b. s. joke I called him Deuba Shera which means I don't know how to translate it to inferior. But it's like fat Bill or something or beer out of control or something like that. It's a fat joke. Yeah. So, yeah, this nickname that gave him Deuba Bedeir has been worldwide rise. Now, if in the economist has written about it and everybody in Saudi news know him by his nickname, so we don't think he likes you. I don't think so. I don't think he likes anyone who seeks democracy or freedom or who wants to be free to say what they think just me and I think he's going outraged because he got support or he thinks he's getting support, limited support from President Trump. I think he's trying to silence me and others. And if he's willing to do that with Jamal Kajii. A didn't think he won't do it with me if he has the paternity to. So do you ever feel scared that they're hacking you that they're trying to quite you? Of course, you feel scared. They have attacked me last fifty minutes of August him in London in daylight by two who we presume the Saudi agents. What did they do to you? The the bunch me on the face and shouting can give Salman bin. Been Solomon's named. They're saying, how am I to talk about them more to this is them? And the case is with the k. police writer now and their photos, and there are feed your of that. Ghannam you've been attacked, you've been hacked. Jamal is probably been murdered. Are you going to stop posting online, sit a will continue and. If he is going to kill me, this will the whole world how evil he is. And I will definitely take extra measures to be very careful, but I will not be stopped. I would continue doing what I believe. It's that I think to do. Do you still have family back home in Saudi Arabia? You said I do have my family about since tachometer. I haven't had anything from any one of my family. Are you scared for your family? If they can disappear journalist, maybe even kill him, what would they do to a regular person who doesn't have access to American media or international media up suitably severely last year, I called for a demonstration in Saudi Arabia, and the government has sinned a team to my parents house, and they're caught them in feed you, the them of the agree with me or. Not the pressure them to disobey me in front of a camera. So if the government is willing to go that far and I haven't had anything confront my family since that camin thirty first of August, and it is very, very scary. But he's very scary. So do you use us embassies consulate to people to commit to crimes? And I'm hundred percent. There are many many. So with this is low profile has been lured to Assadi embassy around the world and being kidnapped unto, we never heard of them because they have no voice on the known. You can find Ghanem almost veers show on YouTube. It's called the Ghanem show and he's on Twitter at Ghanem almost. That's g. h. a. and m. l. m. a. s. a. r. r. thanks to Alexia Underwood at vox. She's an editor on all things foreign and national security. This is today explained. Okay. So from start to sale as a new podcast from eater, it's hosted by two founders of two startups that relate to food. I spoke to ice cream on Tuesday. Now I'm gonna try and get a hold of bread. Hi Han. Hi, Aaron, can I call you bread? We don't make bread though. I know fairly guys make cookies. We make cookies and cake gone. Then muffins and cookie pies and all that. But I read about of unle. It's like a bakery and I was like, oh, like bread that I called your co host on the podcast there start to sail and I was like, hey, I got a call your friend, the bread half, and she was called the bread half that she was like by the way, the bread half, it's like more like cookies and stuff, but I was already on this bread tear and now I feel like we should clarify that of unle does not make bread, did not make bread, but you Erin, the founder of and lead. Do now make a podcast. What's your favorite part of doing that? My favorite part of the show so far is the end of each episode. Enemy episode, we asked entrepreneur, what a skill is that really help them launched their company to next phase or that they really had to learn to be good leaders? And can they break it down for the audience and every single person has a different answer. And each of those answers is amazing Jane. We're one from Dermot Logica. Her skill was how to empathize fire, someone, Kate and Penelope from which see their skill with how to fail and how to fail fast. So you're not focusing on things. You're bad at what's your skill Erin. Confrontation. Ooh, that sounds sexy. I guess we hear Boorda on from start to sail wherever you find your podcasts. Yep. Along with a whole slew of amazing people.
Video Footage May Depict Saudi Plot And Officials React To Jamal Khashoggi's Disappearance
"All right. Well, in the church, Jake, your John Rolla with you guys, action packed days usual. We're going to criticize several different governments today. The US government, the Saudi government, Israeli government, but all on unrelated matters. Normally, that's an alliance that works together in the Middle East cause chaos, but this case they're causing chaos in their own ways in different areas. And then this is the story. You don't wanna miss today. The Republicans new talking point for the election is the liberals have a mob, the scary mob. I'm gonna get you. He really scared. Okay. And how cable news unfortunately is helping them out with that. My constant frustration, of course, the Democrats in relationship to that anyways, that's a little bit later in the program. But look, I think this service that we try to provide for you guys breaking things down. You can see on cable news what's happening. What we show you was happening behind the scenes. What's the strategy behind it, who's executing it for what purpose? And of course breaking down the lies to Trump attack Medicare for all today. Oh. We will also break that one down. Okay. So obviously, as I always tell you guys, we'll check it on thermometer and a little bit. We all supposed to be in the middle of, yeah, we were supposed to be the middle of members of drive. Why wait? Well, because I didn't tell them. But of course, if you wanna get any of our eighteen different shows on the network and that is not hyperbole, there's literally eighteen shows cluding John show damage report, especially John's chase specially and and doing great as a podcast by the way. So looked recently become a member, get all our shows like a progressive, Netflix TY t. dot com size joined. That's what's happening. Yeah, go tell your friends and family and neighbors and ranting his house. Okay. If I can try to one thing, he said it's not like progressive Netflix, it's better than Netflix because Netflix keeps asking you if you're still watching, we just assume you are. Yeah. Yeah, keep. And they have stranger things. We have stranger times. True. That is true. They might take with that one actually. But anyway, why don't we over the news Lissouba story the morning of the week. I should say last week, Saudi Arabian journalist in Washington, Post columnist, Jamal, kashogi vanished and ever since people have been trying to figure out exactly what happened. It's starting to look like, we know, but I want to give you all the details. So I, the fifty nine year old veteran journalists was last seen on Tuesday, October. Second, walk into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. He was there to obtain a document verifying his divorce from a previous marriage so that he can marry a Turkish woman. Now what you should know about him before we proceed with what happened that day is that he is both a journalist columnist for the Washington Post, and also a man who has been critical of the current regime in Saudi Arabia's specifically attacking Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin Salman a few quotes to to that effect in terms of their censorship and crackdowns on journalists and locking people's up. Things like that. He had previously said, I have left my home, my family and my job, and I'm raising my voice to otherwise would betray those who languish in prison I can speak when so many cannot. I want you to know that Saudi Arabia has not always been as it is now we Saudis deserve better. He also expressed concern about being targeted by the Saudi government for his views, telling journalists, Robin Wright in August that the country's new leadership would like to quote see me out of the picture. With that now out there. Let's talk about what else is known about what happened about a week ago on Wednesday. This earlier today, a Turkish security officials concluded that quote, the highest levels of the Royal court inside a Arabia ordered the assassination of kashogi officials have said that a fifteen person team flew from Saudi Arabia to instable on the day that he arrived at the consulate, some arrived onto private planes and CNN apparently has some aviation data toback that up. And what's interesting is that they're not only just saying there is a fifteen person team. They're identifying particular individuals on that team. Some of which we have details on one is the chief of forensic evidence that Saudi Arabia's internal security agency and other as an officer in the Saudi special forces who posted pictures of themselves on social media, posing a living room with a shiny stainless steel handgun to others, appear to be members of the Saudi Royal guard, pictured inciting newspaper photograph next to crown prince Mohammad bin Salman. But how do you know they're connected to just everybody's pictures? And so the picture that seems to be arising out of this is that he shows up at the consulate. That is the last is seen is believed that he was killed was killed relatively quickly after a peering, they're one of the officials in the Turkish government quoted by the New York Times, described the operation as quick and complex and the kashogi was killed within two hours of his arrival. The consulate agents, quote, dismembered his body with a bone saw they brought for the purpose officials said it's like Pulp Fiction. And so that is what the Turkish investigators are saying. They're saying they have specific evidence that backs us up, although they have not made that public yet in response, Saudi official said the kingdom quote categorically denies any involvement in journals. Disappearance, they said Sewri. They said that they were also looking for and I'm not getting kind of like OJ still looking for the real killer. They said his wellbeing as Saudi citizen is our most concern. We're focusing on the investigation as a means to reveal the truth behind his disappearance. Our sympathies go out to the family during this difficult time. Yeah, one way you could have shown, sympathy, tillers families pipe, perhaps not murdering him. Okay. Now, look, I don't know how the turps officials know the Pulp Fiction details dismemberment at cetera. But the video evidence, at least on the surface appears to be very clear. He goes into them to see at one fourteen pm, and there is never any video of him leaving from the back or the front or anywhere else. And then these Saudi officials come in one of one set of security guys lands goes to the the private residence next to the consulate of the diplomat and then an hour and fifteen minutes later gets back into the car and onto the plane and leaves the country. They showed up for an hour and fifteen minutes. I don't think they came to get the best kebab and stumble. Now we do some other evidence as well sort of. Buttresses this on Tuesday, the guardian reported that the consulates Turkish staff were told to take a day off the day kashogi disappeared. It also reported that Turkish investigators believe that the security footage from inside the consulate was removed and taken back to Saudi Arabia on a private jet. So that's the security footage inside of consulate outsides different story during a tour of the six story consulate given journalists on Saturday, Saudi consul general Muhammed Taibbi told Reuters that while the consulate was of cameras, this is on the outside. They did not record footage of kashogi entering or leaving the building. Break. Yeah. They also said at one point that sorry, the cameras we have outside don't actually record footage. They just live stream the footage because that's how security cameras work. They don't record things. So that's kinda defeat the point in it. Okay. So golly, gee, we couldn't find the tape of him entering or more importantly leaving. So, gee, I wonder who did it. I can't quite tell now important context. So the crown prince, Mohammad bin Salman is a guy who is a radical. He came here on a publicity tour since the Saudis give tremendous amount of money to defense contractors in this country to buy arms to politicians to and into l. into lobbyists all over the country, it cetera. And they have friends in the US govern Isreaeli government at cetera. They're greeted with open arms. I by Donald Trump. And then honestly, by most of the media in America and liberties, and yes, and they came for a big publicity toured. He said, well, it's okay. I'm letting some women drive now in Saudi Arabia and people have, wow, what a reformer, what a great guy. Nobody. By that point, he had already kidnapped a foreign leader and threatened to kill him while the four lead made the mistake of visiting Saudi Arabia, this unprecedented and unbelievable, and and that was the leader of Lebanon who eventually made it back to Lebanon after doing some sort of hostage video in Saudi Arabia. And then once you got back to Lebanon, then he was safe. I didn't mean any of the things that I said that you know, massive issues right to say the least when you're kidnapping and threatened. I mean, I'm not sure. Kim Jong Hoon would kidnap a foreign leader threaten to kill him unless he made a tape saying, yeah, yeah, the Saudis are right. I mean, the reverse course, that's. That's crazy. Well, they certainly wouldn't wouldn't capture him to say that the Saudis. Right. But you see my greasy guy. You never know with him. Right. So so here's a guy who then by the way, get more context for bin Salman. He's a relatively young guy. He's in his thirties, his dad is theoretically the leader, but as the crown prince, he's been acting as the leader is that giving them that thority and and he rounded up a lot of the other Saudi royals, including billionaires, put them in a fancy hotel and threaten to kill them until they handed over their money. I'm sorry, that was an anti corruption campaign. He was shocked to find out that the other Saudi royals had been taking money from the Saudi people. Of course, that's what he does. But apparently he saw it wasn't enough that he was taking from the Saudi people. He wanted to rob his fellow Saudi elites and threaten them like, you've got to watch yourself and that was his way of accruing power. And next time you know, won't be just that we imprison you in a hotel and. And it could get worse and by the way, guys, absolutely brazen, as you can tell here as well in the middle of robbing the other Saudi princes and royals. He bought a five hundred million dollar yacht towards like, oh, you see how corrupt they are. I had the imprison them and and do an anti corruption campaign while I spent a half a billion dollars. Well, to be fair, he got that money mowing lawns in the in the summers and car wash and the holy Ono. Righty, got it. From the Saudi people forgot, it's difficult to even imagine how could cost that much. Turns out though it was a Hamdan it used to belong to Betsy DeVos. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what that must be nice, I assume. Yes. So look, these are. Changing times. So when the US president doesn't much care for our democracy and says that the f. b. i. is the problem in this country law enforce. Maybe it should be illegal to cooperate with law enforcement. As a suggestion Donald Trump made when Russian leader seems to assassinate people not only in his own country, but in other countries. I mean, we talked about what he's done in the UK several times, but it was several very questionable killings here in America of of Russians and and I, I don't know why the US government is not made a bigger deal out of that very questionable deaths here. So Putin is doing that Trump is calling. The press enemy of the people do tear Tate doing the same. This is this is old school stuff. This is nineteen. Thirty's nineteen forty stuff. Yeah. So emboldened by that environment. Here comes Mohammed bin Salman and friends with the most powerful people on earth Americans. Israelis. He goes, what can't I do? I kidnapped a foreign leader and totally got away with it by the way. I mean, the list goes on. He tried to start fomented bigger civil war in Lebanon, which would have been a disaster internal of civil discourse and fighting and murder within the Palestinians. I mean, they guys, it's a, it's a horror show. Right? So would he do this? Well, in other times you'd say no way of foreign government is going to take a Washington Post columnist that lives in the US if item to the Turkish consulate dismember him, that's unthinkable. But in today's world, unfortunately, very thinkable and it appears to fit the fact pattern. Yeah. Why don't we turn to a little bit more evidence, not directly from Istanbul, but in terms of the reaction so far, so Jamaica. Shoghi obviously has has been missing. He is presumed to have been killed. That is what the Turkish government is saying the evidence points to. And so now let's talk about how various groups have reacted to it. So we've said that the Saudi government obviously denies it. You can believe that if you if you wish there certainly allowed to say that I would say that the statements they've put out, they seem similar. The statements of the Russian government put out after the script killings which turned out to be ridiculous. It turned out that in the end they weren't tourists that did the poisoning. They were actually intelligence officers. We're supposed to pretend that that's the case. So they're saying that they didn't do it and then you have other reactions. So inside of the US government, Lindsey, Graham said Wednesday, that there would be hell to pay if he had been killed by the Saudi government specifically said, I've never been more disturbed than I am right now even more so than during the Cavanaugh here, if this man was murdered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, that would cross every line of normality in the international community, and it is not the role of the Saudi government to. Cross lines of normality the international community Trump's real eastbound between that. So he's saying there will be held to pay. Of course, he's not in charge. Donald Trump is in charge. So how does Donald Trump responded this? We've got a couple of clips here is the first I am concerned about it. I don't like hearing about it and hopefully that will sort itself out right now. Nobody knows anything about it, but this pretty bad stores go, I do not like it. So he says, I hope it sorts itself out and says nobody knows anything about it. We didn't have as many details when he said that we do now, but people knew some things about it at that time. So it seemed almost like a Trump trial balloon dec- can I just completely ignore this? And will that be acceptable? Now he was fall questions later on as we get more information and all that. So here is another reporter talking to them. Well, allergic speak from self, but. This is a bad situation. We cannot let this happen to reporters to anybody. We can't let this happen and we're going to get to the bottom of the game. But it Ori high level the highest level, let's say, let me say this. It's the highest level. Yeah. More and more than once. That so anyway, and I've always found him to be a fine man. We've had a very good relationship. I'm not happy about this. We have to see what what happens. You know, we have to see what happens. Nobody knows what happened yet. They don't know over there. Yeah, this is just they don't know. And you know, he's fine man. So if they don't know, I mean, how could we ever know there were a lot of issues with what he said their first of all, Lindsey, Graham says, there will be held to pay. He says, he can speak from self, so I don't want to sign onto the idea that there will be held to pay consequences or anything like that. This shouldn't happen reporters that shouldn't happen to anyone. You could just say it shouldn't happen anyone. You don't have to weirdly like put reporters in a different categories. If you're even including reporters, how merciful of you to do that, and he keeps saying we have to find out. We have to find out whatever I've talked to him. He's a good man. Why are you stressing that? He's that he's a good man like he's, he's obviously the lead suspect in this. The Turkish government is saying that they have evidence that it was a pass down from the highest levels of the Saudi government. But we understand why he doesn't want to do anything about it. He do honestly believe that he cares about the killing of any reporter, let alone this reporter in particular and that he'd be willing to jeopardize relationship at the Saudi government. We're give. We're selling them more than one hundred billion dollars of weapons. What are we going to cancel that? Because they start murdering, journalists around the world. That's the case. Yeah. So John, I don't know why you word because our secretary state, Mike Pompeo said that he has asked the Saudis to look into this. Oh, well, okay. I guess problem solve, hey, can you look into whether you guys dismembered journalists who had spoken ill of your leader and don't worry about your leader and the fact that he might dismember people who are critical of him just look into it anyway. Well, as less likely to be very fair investigation sort of related to that. I read that Mike Pence is saying that they're open to the possibility of sending the FBI to investigate, although to be fair, the investigators probably going to be limited in scope and time. Yeah. Yeah, and they're not gonna interviewing the people involved. A lot of people asked to be and if you'd just won't do it. He Pence went on to say, in in all seriousness, direct quote, we'll continue to express the genuine concern of the American people for this Saudi Arabian journalist, notice to important political words in there like genuine concern of the American people. Why would it be anything other than genuine? It's like saying like, that's the kind of thing you say when you're not genuine, like we are genuinely concerned, but much more importantly for this Saudi Arabian journalists. Yeah. In other words, he's not really American lives in America wrote for the Washington Post, but he was just a resident of the US not a national DOS. He's a Saudi Arabian journalist, you want us to do you want us to jeopardize defense contracts. That's real money that goes into our pockets eventually through campaign donations just because they dismembered a guy who worked for the the bows to technically he worked for the failing Washington Post. Yeah, to be clear also, by the way, this reporting, I think the New York Times it can be the guardian. I apologize to feel free to look that up. But US officials are said to have intercepted communications between Saudi officials about kidnapping, Jamal Kush. Now, that's actually the worst part of it because that means we knew that it could happen and we didn't warn him and that is address. I mean, it's one thing to do cover, which is hideous after the fact, and I know money interests are going to want to, you know, whether it's the contractors or companies, etcetera. They're going to want to keep business flowing to know ahead of time that they might kill the guy and not tell them why. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah. So I'd ask the FBI investigate that. So, and that is under our control. And fortunately, of course, the US govern as well as the Saudi government is not going to honestly investigated self. Look. If you're wondering why go to all these links. If you're the Saudi government to kill this guy because it's taken a risk. I mean, this mama bin Salman a huge risk taker, kidnapping foreign leaders trying to start wars, etcetera, but and actually starting a terrible one in Yemen. But this seems pretty extreme. Well, kashogi was to Hugh strikes against one is he was an insider in the Saudi Royal court earlier any turned on them. They don't like that. Okay. So they don't like that for a couple reasons. One, you betrayed us. And number two, he might have worn formation about what they've done. Okay. So he's got to go. And then secondarily, he was particularly fierce critic of crown prince Mohammad. Okay, so that's maybe a personal betrayal that Mohammed bin Salman feels. And so here's a guy who does not have much boundaries, obviously trying to starve and kill a lot of the citizens in Yemen as we speak. And by the way, the US government is helping him to do that. We provide refueling for their planes so they can do more bombings. We provide intelligence such as it is. They recently bombed a school bus full of children and and killed all of them. And and so we have a deal here with these guys and we've had to deal with the Saudis for a long time even as they have done, outrageous things against us over and over and over again. So the one that is the one that's. Talked about a lot of courses. Nine eleven fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudis obviously. Bin Laden was a Saudi, and he was a Saudi Royal financed by other Saudis as well. But the one that's not talked about enough is whenever it's inconvenient for this bushman things get buried is the Saudis. It was excellent reporting showing that the Saudis mainly funded the SUNY surgency against us in Iraq that killed hundreds, maybe thousands of our troops. But hey, they've got cheap oil, so and they buy a planes and weapons from us. And they provide us oil. So they murder our soldiers in Iraq and they pay for that murder. What's the big deal? Right. So now finally, there's got to look at what's happening geopolitically behind the scenes as well, because there's what you see on the surface and this was underneath. So underneath the Saudis are allies with us and and Israel. Okay. The Turks lately. Have been in a more of an alliance with Qatar in Qatar, has been feuding with Saudi Arabia and Dubai. So. If the Turks were not feuding with the Saudis, would we have such a big. Trove of evidence from the Turkish government about the video, showing the guy going in, but not coming out with be making as big a deal about this, maybe not. So that's on one side. Now, the other thing is I'm surprised here that the Saudis are catching this much flack, especially here in America and by Republicans, Marco Rubio, Lindsey, Graham, it's cetera with what appears to be real anger. In this case, I've never seen them be genuine in my life. So I wonder if the Saudi relationship with Israel has soured in some way. And so if if that happens, sometimes people are told, yeah, it's green light. You could now find the call, the Saudis, anything you like, okay, or if to Saudi stop paying their bills to the lobbyists. Okay. Here in America or none of those things happen. This was truly outrageous but a week from now, the lobbying. Will call the senators and then differently, you know, Netanyahu and his right-wing government will call the senators and go, no, we're done with this investigation. Let's move on. Well, that Trump said, Lindsey, Graham can speak from self. Yeah, he didn't wanna sign onto it. So there's a number of different factors, one, simple explanation, but but there are the Saudis have a lot of friends here in America through questionable alliances and questionable money spent here. So we'll those guys rally to their defense and kind of basically try to get past this within a week or so if they don't and depress keeps talking about it. I and the Republicans keep harping on it, then we might have a break in the alliance. That would be really interesting. Yeah, I wonder, is, will this newfound concern amongst people like Marco, Rubio and Lindsey, Graham be echoed by look, Fox News gonna turn on Saudi Arabia. I mean. Look. If this happened under Obama, they'd be attacking Obama's. We s- why? Why isn't he checking Sidey Arabia and all that, but Trump like Saudi Arabia. And so they've perfectly fallen in line there. And one of the complicating at least a little bit in terms of perhaps biff getting involved or working with Turkey Turkey's got its own problems with increasing Rotarians among their own crackdowns repression on a number of different groups. That doesn't mean that what they're saying isn't true here, but it does complicate it at least to some extent. Yeah. And so that's why one of the things we try to do for you guys here on the program is to give you context, and it's not a black and white world, and you have to not only look at what's happening in the news, but what might be happening behind the scenes? What what's the motivation of the Turkish government, the US government, Saudi government cetera. And so this is a complicated story in that sense is simple in that. It seems that there is overwhelming evidence that they killed us journalist, and and whether that's ever proven goes to court or has. Any consequences is what we don't know yet. Yeah. Yep. So let's do that. And then as I promise you, we will have a little bit of anger about the Republican trick on calling all liberals mobs and also Donald Trump attacking Medicare for all with. I mean, if they weren't so serious, hilarious, life's written in print this, we'll be. All right back. Slid Suka Khanna's I. Kinko Jew in in our member section says, thanks guys. I've been screaming for days. This outrage would not have taken place without permission from the United States government. I don't know if that permission was explicit, but if they knew and they didn't stop it certainly fair to imply that it was implicit. Doctor MD with an excellent point. Also in the members section, the great women's activists, Mohammed bin Salman in addition to letting women drive in that that displays his benevolence also imprisoned the women activists who protests that. Yeah, to have the right to drive. Yeah, he did. He immediately imprison them like, don't get. Don't get anything. Don't get the wrong impression here. Okay. And by the way the they're not allowed to drive anyway, they want is huge caveat to that. I'll give you a tiny, tiny bit of freedom, but I'll make sure that I punish the people who brought it to. Okay, so that's who bin Salman is. And then to from Twitter. The four gut ten arm. Right. So NATO ally says the Saudis did it the easiest fastest thing we do as a country, stopping the support to their Yemen campaign interesting, though that this happened with a month of certifying that they're not actively killing civilians. That's right. That was another hilarious joke where Mike Pompeo said we have asked the Saudis to certify that the hair not killing civilians and they have certified it, you know? Oh, well, then problem solved. I was really worried. I mean, we've done all this reporting, which I guess turns out to be fake news on civilian deaths in Yemen. Yeah, by the way. I don't know if you saw it was just a couple of weeks ago. Russia was talking about their their bombing campaign in Syria, these and they said that they have looked into it and they literally said they have killed eighty four thousand terrorists and zero civilians. I think those numbers might be awful little bit of is sounds like you're doing a little bit of Russia's scare there or Saudi Arabia. Their aim is amazing. The killed eighty four. They found a lot of terrorists owned and killed eighty four thousand terrorists. Yeah, zero civilly. That sounds like the US strategy in Vietnam where it's like if you kill someone via com. Yeah, by definition they were terrorists so but this is the same country that has what Putin. I mean, we talked about Kim Jong. We make fun of him all the time, but Putin went out there and played hockey with the best hockey players in Russia, and he scored five goals and we showed you, maybe we showed you the tape. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. He's really good. Yeah. It's like an old man going around slowly around the rink and then shooting in every out of the way and he scores and they really, they're not joking. It really pretend like Putin scored all those goals and he's a champion this maniacal stuff like Trump wanted to play like a couple of plays like against the football, like an NFL team. He's running through the line and they're like, ooh way. And the right way Sean Hannity's. You're thing? Yeah. Yeah. Eric reading, Richard Sherman, get out of his way. Yeah, Donald give it a shot. See out his out. I don't necessarily know who those people are about to get where you're going with. Yes, Eric Reid's guys who I took a knee, this is he wasn't a quarterback. It's okay. I mean he was punished like he's one of the best defensive backs in the league. And so they know team signed him this year for four weeks. And then they were like, okay, come on. Team and nobody knows them. It's okay. Thank you. Did new campaign around? Okay, anyway. 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That's it has disseminated from Donald Trump and like the inner circle that was pushing for cavenaugh to literally everyone in right wing media, right wing politicians, Mitch McConnell saying, I'm really proud of my members for not knuckling under those kinds of mob like tactics under Cavanaugh. And Secondly, we were literally under assault. He says fact, check. They were not literally under assault. Somebody yelled him maybe that maybe that to an incredibly privileged person who has not participated as an actual member of America for literally decades. That seems like literal assault. It is not actually literal salt, but it goes beyond just Mitch McConnell. Here is mash up of some of the examples of this tactic. We refused to be intimidated by the mob of people, no to mob rule and thinkable. You don't hand matches doing arsonist and you don't give power to an angry left-wing mob. And that's what they've become. But this is the first confirmation hearing for supreme court Justice. I've seen basically according to mob rule, what we have learned is the resistance that has existed since the day after the November six date twenty sixteen election is centered right here on Capitol Hill. They have encouraged mob rule, the tactics that have been employed, both judiciary committee, democratic senators and the, you know, the virtual mob assaulted. All of us in the course of this process has turned our base on fire members dealing with. We've been under assault Lor. Our homes have been. Was today this, but just me everybody. I mean, they've been after all of us. We've sort of been under assault and everybody decided to stand up to the mob were literally under assault. These demonstrators us sure some them or well, meaning citizens, but many more obviously trained there to get in our faces to go to our homes up there to basically almost Taco's in the halls of the capitol. And remember, this is how they're responding to getting this accused sexual assaulter onto the supreme court for three or four decades. So that's not enough. They get the supreme court Justice. They also want you to be very calm about the entire thing. So as I said, this is becoming not just amongst politicians. It has also all throughout right wing punditry according to cable news. Transcription database TV is since Labor Day weekend. The term mob rule was said, eighty nine times on Fox News, which is more than double than that was was uttered on either CNN or MSNBC and the terms violent or violence, Fox News feature those words sixty percent more than its competitors. We've examples of that as well. So eighty nine times in a short period of time on Fox News. But also as we've been talking about today quite a few times on MSNBC and CNN as well. So that was those numbers came in before the last twenty four hours. And if you turn on cable news unless four hours, all your hearings mob, mob, mob, mob mob, so they might have doubled it in the last twenty four hours. So, but. To me, yes. John the more disturbing number is CNN MSNBC than picking up the baton and some folks on MSNBC might disagree or CNN might disagree that it's mob violence. But whenever Republicans start talking point it, it's on fire in the whole country talks about it, and they know how to drive that propaganda. Perfectly Democrats. I mean you, you couldn't start talking point if your life depended on it. Right? So once the Republicans have started this conversation, it's one that in a sense they can't lose. So the question is, how violent is the left, like it's one of those questions like, when did you stop beating your wife? It's a question. You can't answer in a way that that positive, right? And so that and they do it on purpose. And the reason we showed you the tape really great job. I Washington Post's putting together is because it gives you a sense of it is orchestrated. It's not like they had a genuine opinion like, oh my God, I'm really concerned. I'm gonna go out there and give a speech because that seemed like a mob or anything. No, they got together in a caucus. They decided they were gonna use the word mob to up fear in their base because their base look. Here's the thing that I'll say that almost no one else in the media will say because they've so worthy gonna lose ratings. If you. Insult Republicans, but their base are cowards, so it's super easy to scare them. All my God. Filipinos are coming there. Porter, hope I got the Muslims are coming the past eight sharia laws in Oklahoma. The really the Muslims are taking over Oklahoma. That's what's happening. Okay. Dragons. Well, I mean the drag. Those are scarier. Yeah. I mean, honestly, so I, it's nearly equal in its absurdity, but hold on Jiang. So look, yes, Mitch, McConnell is saying that the senators are being mobbed, but they wouldn't actually go on FOX's. It imply that regular conservative voters are going to be attacked right cue. The tape. Tax firsthand and they're ugly, aren't they? Tommy. They're ugly and they're getting worse. And I just have to say for the record, I've been docs filed. I've had things sent to my home both in Texas and now in California, I've had people confront me in public. So this is not just something that are senators representatives are going through. It's really anyone who sits right of center anyone who's a Trump supporter. We're all targets of this and it extends beyond those whole public office. So yeah, the average citizen, if you're on the right should be concerned, endanger should be concerned end in danger. I sort of get what she's trying to say there. Yeah. So all of them should be scared because people wearing pussy hats are coming for you from the resist the holes as Chuck Grassley would say, I know. Come to your house and make you pick a cake for them. That's gonna be really afraid really afraid. Can I say one thing about this tactic? I know you're gonna go back through the history of it, but there is an amazing thing as while many Republican elected officials are generally the dimmer politicians. There is an amazing elasticity and flexibility in the conservative mind because they are able to believe mutually contradictory things in a way that most labs can't. So they're now holding simultaneously in their brains that these leftists are so angry that they're going to come, and they're going to tear you apart. They were violent mob. Also, there are bunch of soy boys who won't stick up for themselves. Guns don't get weapons. Don't respect the military, all of that. So they're silently too weak and not masculine and the most dangerous force in the universe. At such a great point John and they need to save space. Wait a minute sensitive. Yeah, sounded like you need to save space. That's kind of ironic. Okay. So now look, shoot, you. Now you have to do the caveat. Should you go and actually threaten them, of course not, but that's not what progressive stand for. Can you find one person who was on the left, who's done an act of violence? Yes, that guy who shot up the softball field. Right. And shot Steve Scalise are the acts of violence overwhelmingly on the right? Yeah, absolutely. That's a stone cold fact. Not only do they go after you know public figures, but they've also killed the right extreme right-wingers have killed cops all across the country doctor and doctors. That's right and committed acts of terrorism, and the list goes on and on. So that right wing claiming that the left is the mob is. I mean, it's preposterous beyond. Description. So now let's remember the things that they have done. Okay. And twenty ten when the tea party was protesting? Well, those are patriots. Okay. They were good people. No, I remember a lot of people get angry and being crowd and and even spitting on democratic congressman, right? And but that was mob that was a mob threatening them by the way, yelling racial slurs at them, right. That was in what the Republican politicians did. At this point when they came to the capital, the Republicans got up on the balcony of the capitol and egged on the guy's yelling racial slurs. So now now they're concerned about a mob. Okay. Now, here's the you talk about an orchestrated mob. We mentioned this yesterday because Donald Trump hilariously tweeted that they're all being paid by Soros but not getting paid. None of that is true. Okay. And he's, of course, the one who actually paid. Supporters to show up actors to pretend to be supporters in his first appearance. Anyway, here's a scene of from Miami Dade back in two thousand. So this is a group of people who pretended to be genuine citizens who were mad that they were actually counting the vote in Florida. They did not want the vote to be counted as it turned out later. They were all identified as Republican staffers. They look at them ties and suits. They got Republicans Evers written all over them anyway. They literally broke into that building and and banged on the doors and windows until the people inside were physically afraid for their safety and stopped counting the votes. So the Republicans, they know finger to about mobs and orchestrating them and one additional one. I mean, you're showing that goes back a long time, but we don't need to necessarily go back that far. Heather Heyer was killed by a Nazi in a. Mob of Nazis Trump supporting white genocide conspiracy theory, flatten Nazis. How much concern did Chuck Grassley and and Tommy Laura and have when Nazis were marching up until this summer by the way, again in Washington DC, but they've been doing it since Trump was elected. So. Hey, well, that's extreme right wing, that's that's the mob. That's what important about that, right. Well, how about Trump rallies where he kept saying, punch him in the face and I'll pay your legal bills, assault them, and now you're gonna. Turn around Trump is gonna say he needs a safe space because he's worried about. Riling up a crowd to commit physical assault. We haven't Montaigne thing about twenty times and at last night's rally, like we showed you the clip of him saying that they're mob. You don't give you don't give the reins of power to a mob, but I'm not sure if that quote was before or after he led yet another lock her up chant, not even about Hillary Clinton anymore. They like doing it with Hillary Clinton, but it doesn't have to be Hillary Clinton. It can literally be any woman this time. It was Diane Feinstein because they think they leaked the letter about Christine, Blasi Ford. So lock her up, lock her up, their chanting, these tens of thousands of crazed people who want more women to be locked up, but just quick. No, they want her locked up because she leaked that letter at the same time that the Trump administration is literally arguing in court that spreading hacked emails is an issue of free speech. So little bit of intellectual inconsistency there as well. And Finally, I want to go to the two funniest cases of Republicans complaining. There is a Dave brat who said that even his democratic opponent in the race was part of the mob art of a quote, unquote liberal mob. Her name is Abigail span burger, and you should one hundred percent support her against the Dave brat. And this will give you good incentive to do so. So they found the tape of when Brad said she was part of an liberal mop. They were all seated know what he did anything that no one got up, no one did anything at all. But she did ask a question about whether they had given to many corporate tax cuts. Mom, she's asking a question about tax cuts for the rich odors. Oh, my God, what a mob? This reminds me of the brandishing a chair thing. Yeah. And so in the last ones rand, Paul look, you know, when he got six ribs broken and I, I was concerned. I'm like, oh, that's terrible. Man. There was this weird. Why are the Republicans making a big deal out of that kind of thing that they'd be like, oh, my God to learn. Republican Senate. We do at the crazed Muslim gay, Latino, democratic, Bob. It turned out it was his neighbor and they've got into an argument over shrubbery. Literally. It's still awful note is I actually think the guy didn't get enough of a jail sentence. He'll go thirty days. He broke today rand. Paul's rips, right? But it was over the brush in between their lawns and now rand. Paul's all over TV like. They're coming for us. They're hiding in the bushes. Well, in your case was actually literally about the bushes. Okay. We gotta go. We gotta take quick break. Come back Medicare for all. All right. Yes, we hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you wanna get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media become a member t. dot com slash joined today. In the meantime, enjoy this free. Back on a young Turks, grew writes in on Greg. Says in the members section Nazis, torches, hitting people with cars aren't terrorists, but crying screaming. Women are reality check. Okay, Ruth dog face girl says trained, sociopaths, attacking them in the halls translations, constituents warning wanting their representatives to hear them. And we talked about this in the context of another story couple of weeks ago. Yeah, this is what happens when all you ever do listen to donors at some point people go, I don't know. I got a okay. I see you in a restaurant. I see you in an elevator. I see you in an airport. I gotta say something because you're never ever going to listen to me otherwise, and they're like, no, no, no freedom of speech. For corporations, not for you guys. Okay, so shut up about it already. Okay. Shut up about your freedom of speech. Chance of them saying it. If you present, all right, doctor chaos, MD writes in conservatives want to turn the entire country into a safe space for themselves. There are more snowflakes in the right wing than in the Arctic. I can attest to that. I was just going to say, is that is that correct? I did not see any selfless actually see there. You. I am sock right, sit on Twitter. That's how the liberals get you. They lure you into the open with Medicare for all in student loan forgiveness, and then the shank, you. Universal basic income since it's regard. Okay. So here you go. Here's some income and health. And health care. Can you stab someone with Healthcare's then. Okay. The things I do for income equality. All right, cute. Right wing taking out of context. Anyway, we actually talk about Medicare for all in a second, but we'll give me two minutes here. GO l. writes in on YouTube super chat GOP bunch of rabid socialist. Ours are going to mob and attacks u. p. members know GOP a pack of wolves attack new soon, support, wolf dash pack dot com. Okay. Now that leads me to tell you two things that were going to do in the post game. So number one. This strategy of just saying that your opponents are a mob and threatening you is not unique to Republicans. I'm going to tell you about a progressive group that does it. Okay. And and does to other, of course, progressives. They would never do it to Republicans. So that's the post game TY dot com slash join. And I'm also I promise this yesterday, but I want to give Hillary Clinton a little bit of credit for being far more aggressive. And so we did not get to that story, but I want you to it in the post game, and it's on the issue of the of civility at cetera. So kind of taking the clothes off a little bit. I wish she did it during the election obviously, but okay, so that's that. And then wanna thank our sponsor scores face. So if you guys, if you're going have anything brand a business, do you need a website horse? I remember when my mom is building. Her business. It's like ten years to do it with my mom. People buy things on the web. You have to put it on the way. So swertz face dot com. Slash t y t get you ten percent off. That's great that they're absolutely great at that. I did one antidote through squarespace, and they got award-winning templates that are pre made. You got twenty four, seven customer support best in the business. So and you're getting ten percent office course face TRT. Okay, John, what's next? Okay. I've been exciting, hopefully hoping we'd get to this. So thankfully we will today USA today published an op-ed, attacking Medicare for all with Donald Trump's name on it. We're supposed to believe that he wrote it all by himself, but I mean, come on still. It has his name on it. And so this is his position on Medicare for all one of the biggest up and coming policy that more and more politicians are sending onto, and his at attacking is full of the absolute worst kind of lies. So we're going to give you a couple of excerpts from the bed and then break old the the lies and misconceptions. He spreads about what Medicare for all would actually accomplish. He says, dishonestly calling a cold Medicare for all the democratic proposal would establish a government run single payer healthcare system that eliminates all private and employer based healthcare plans that would cost an astonishing thirty two point, six trillion dollars during its first ten years. I agree with almost every word of that except I would add to thirty two point six. Trillion dollars during its first ten years, which is a savings of several trillion dollars over the system we have right now, but he wants to scare people about the supposed-. Price tag? Yeah, I think he's making a mistake here. I'm gonna. We're going to break down all of his lies and and it's going to be fun and it's already there's a big one in there. It doesn't necessarily end your ability get private health insurance on top. If you won what it does is it covers everyone in the country, which is fantastic. But the mistake that they're making is starting this conversation. So I just gave them credit earlier in the show for their good starting conversations about all liberals mob rule. And then we're having a nonsense debate about a non-issue cetera, but they shouldn't have picked this fight because then if forces every man news outlet in the country to say, actually, here's what Medicare for all does. And then people read it or watching, go, wait, and I would get to be covered just like my dad is in retirement. I don't know if you've got you guys by. I've talked about this in the post game. As well TY t. dot com. Join to become a member get post games, but my mom and dad. Now that are Medicare. It's fantastic like, oh, we made it finally sixty five. Into sanity. Of course, you gotta let the whole country into it. So him writing. This op-ed is a terrible mistake because it starts a conversation that we would love to have. Yeah. And while we're going to break down a lot of the, the lies in, you know, even like you can see like the Washington Post is doing it, for instance, and they have to because now he's making very specific claims that you can look into to be to be clear USA today didn't look in these and they apparently believed that if it's coming from Donald Trump, they can doesn't matter. You don't need to actually make sure that what he's saying actually true, which is a stance you can take as a news outlet, but it goes on to say in practice the Democratic Party. So called Medicare for all would really be Medicare for none. That's weird under the Democrats plan today is Medicare would be forced to die will. I mean it'd be bigger, it would cover everyone. Is that a form of death? I don't know, maybe Coon with like a butterfly coming out of it. It's technically death, but it's beautiful in the end. No. I mean, I'm not gonna have. Conversation with this. These absurdities these. It's not Medicare for none. It's called Medicare for all. Okay. So when we said black lives matter this, all that we say Medicare for all like all lives matter. No, they don't know lives matter. What what do you mean? It's literally everyone would be able to have Medicare, the same thing that people have in Medicare. How is that Medicare for none. I don't know. It's just, I don't know. Trump said to make it up and say, one last thing to and hopefully if there's any sort of centrist Democrats are watching just want you to bear this in mind when you're thinking about which positions to take going to election. He says the truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The New Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America's economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of congress member, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. So again, it should have been obvious before, but it doesn't matter what positions you take. They're going to call you a radical socialist. So why not actually push the policies that people actually want. It would fix a lot of problems, but now to get into the specific things that he has set, there were many, he says, specifically that the the plans that are out there right now for Medicare for all would take away benefits from seniors. A lot of his op-ed is actually fearmongering specific. Weekly about what Medicare for all would represent for seniors. It's not in any way true the the leading plan right now, the Bernie Sanders plan actually adds things like dental and vision insurance pays for hearing aids, things like that that are not covered under traditional coverage right now. And so the idea that this is going to result in funding cuts for seniors or worse coverage for seniors is simply not true in all the fact checkers, thankfully of it being very clear about that. Okay. So lots of hilarious things in here to go back to the socialism. I second, he wrote. He said, virtually everywhere it has been tried. Socialism has brought suffering misery and decay, like Norway, Finland, Sweden, oops. Not mention those countries. Of course, they always mention Mazzola, but. Arguably the most socialist countries in the world are in northern Europe where they are doing fantastic. Yeah, I got news for you. After Finland try to, they were not finished. Okay. I'm here all day all week. Okay. But here's my favorite part. I think we're over. I think we should. So he he goes on, he says throughout his wish. I'm gonna protect you guys. I lo- can protect you. Seniors. They're coming for your Medicare. Okay. And he said, I am resolutely going to protect your Medicare and social security. Then he turns around and says about Medicare for all. He says, government run healthcare is just the beginning. Wait a minute. Medicare is a government run healthcare. Yeah, I thought you said you were going to protect it. Oops. Government run healthcare. The Democrats are trying to take it away week. I forgot what I was saying. You also says that they would take your Medicare and they would then give total power and control the bureaucrats in Washington DC. Well. I think you know what Medicare is man. Man. So some other specifics he says that the Dem's will seek to slash budgets for seniors on things like Medicare, social security and defense. The thing is the Republicans have been very clear all this year. They are coming for all of these programs. They were expecting to make massive cuts and they need to to pay for the tax cuts they gave earlier this year. So that is a complete lie. Ended dodge that is the position of your party Donald Trump specifically. One thing he says that they will take away coverage for pre existing conditions, and he has promised to protect preexisting conditions that is a complete lie back during the various debates in the last year over a repealing the he signed on and agreed to plans that would have eliminated protections for pre existing conditions. He was totally fine for those at that point. And even as we speak, the Trump administration is arguing in court that the protections for those with pre existing conditions in the is unconstitutional and they should not have to defend those. So he is lying to you both before and after writing this a specifically about pre existing conditions. Okay. We're not done to more amazing lies in this and and look. It's not a miscommunication. It's not a misinterpretation near just flat out lies. So he said, Democrats have already harm seniors by slashing Medicare by Medicare by more than eight hundred billion dollars over ten years to pay for ObamaCare. That's a lie that Sawday shis that I had to look it up and I'm like, what? How like he is going to twist something into like into something else? Of course, it's not true, but what is even talking about? No, just made up at a whole costs. In reality. The Democrats added to Medicare in a way they extended solvency by twelve years. It's the exact opposite, but EMMY he lies. So brazenly like I'm constantly googling things did Democrats, they attack Medicare with a banana like like, did that? No. Where did he get that from? Fox News one say Medicare, banana in the same sentence like where is he making? And it is, it's just made up out of whole cloth as sometimes you'll take things that are one thing and just flip it and just say the exact opposite, right. Okay. Last one here is he said. There would be massive rationing of health care doctors and hospitals would be put out of business this, right? The plan is there will be no more hospitals or doctors. Okay, hospitals, doctors, you go, go, go, go forth from now plumbers, but that's not what I'm talking about. He says that the previously covered care would effectively be denied. Once again, the exact opposite of what is true in Bernie Sanders. Medicare for all program. Seniors would have extra benefits. There's nothing taken away from them. In fact, it would get dental and vision and a couple of other additional benefits on top of what they already have. But he took that and said, oh, they're adding benefits the seniors. Well, why don't I lie and pretend exact opposite and they would take away your healthcare. Right? And that's what this is, and that's Donald Trump is. That's why. Now, whenever I in previous administrations, the Bush mysteries changed cetera. Were they good guys? No, they were terrible guys Cheney to torture. They started railing wars, etcetera, etcetera. But Cheney would have enough decency to manipulate things so that his lies had some degree of credibility right Mohammed Atta was once in Europe. So perhaps he could've met with Saddam agents in the former Czechoslovakia, whatever they was screened of truth. That you could say, well, maybe he meant that no with with Trump, I may because he's not as sophisticated as Dick Cheney and and not as good at lying or maybe just and of course the round does not care about the truth. His never cared about it. He's lied his whole life. Remember he's the guy who would call the press pretending to be John barren or John Miller, and he would call them and go. This is not Donald Trump. This is John barren. I'm calling to tell you the Donald Trump is dating Madonna, and he's fantastic in bed literally. Okay. That's the kind of stuff you talk about how he was dating, celebrities like Madonna and how great he was in bed this idiot. That's this. Unbelievable, ethological, liar. That's now the president writing articles about Medicare for all. Actually, actually Medicare, none. I coin that coin. True. Look, go tell you Republican friends and family. They didn't get insulted all they want. Watch this video, watch any of these videos and then for God's sake. Look it up yourself, right? Go look at any fact check, but if you say, hey, everything in the world is fake, except Donald Trump says, okay, you've lost your mind and we're done with it because then we can't have a conversation. But if you still in the rational world, do not believe a word. This guy says, yeah. And obviously the most important thing is that we've pointed out specifically how he's lying to you, and he is counting on you to want to be lied to. And a lot of Americans do. They just want to be told that what they already believe is true. They've signed onto that both politically in terms of media, but also think about motivation, what are we? What are Jenkin I doing when we cover the story, we're desperately fighting for a program that will cover more people and make sure that they actually have health insurance. That is why we talk about this topic constantly on this program and another programs. What is Donald Trump doing in writing this op-ed? Do you a conservative. Really believe that he put out that up Ed to stop Medicare for all from happening because he thinks that your health insurance will be better under the current systems. Do you actually believe that that is the case, or is it more likely that he is trying to protect himself and other wealthy people from even a cent more in taxes that would be levied to pay for a program like this, you know who he is and hopefully, you know who we are and you can understand all of the relevant motivations or you guys, we gotta tell you break your bread skin, come back and give us a couple of stories. Once funny, FOX's feared as Jamie Lee, Curtis, an actress outrage, you'll you'll be amused by that story and then speak of actual outrage. The Republicans are backing out of the game with Susan Collins. Bribes, you say, bribes, you say. Some rage on that coming up. All right. We'll see you in a minute.
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"We expect a lot from our home is where we live our lives where memories are made where we rest and recharge work and play its home at home advisor committed to keeping yours up and running whether you need to repair and overloaded appliance or bill that summer backyard retreat use the homeadvisor. APP. To find a local pro, we'll get the job done right whatever you need big or small. They'll do everything to fix your everything, download the home advisor APP and get started today. Hello, everyone, and welcome to import. Here's what's coming up. New allegations against Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman filed in a US court Dr Saad Algebris former Saudi spy chief claims. He could be the next victim off to journalists Jamal Kashogi our exclusive with his son holiday job Then as the investigation continues into the catastrophic Beirut explosion, we examined the impact of this latest crisis on the people there and everyone loves a good story. Unfortunately I. Think you'll like this story so much that they didn't really question it to whistle blow who wrote down on us and it's miracle. Blood test technology. That case says about the current gold rush pro corona backseat? Welcome to the program everyone I'm Christine, Amanpour in London. A suit filed in Washington DC raises stunning new allegations against the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman doped Assad Algebris a former top Saudi intelligence official claims bin Salman sent him assassination squad to kill him just two weeks after the brutal murder of journalist Jamal? Kashogi I'll jog. Re is a longtime veteran of the Saudi government, an intelligence official with deep ties to the United States and other. Western. Nations. He claims that bin Salman dispatched hit squad to murder him at his new home in Canada in October twenty eighteen and that the government kidnapped to his children in an attempt to lure him back to Saudi Arabia now regarding this allegation, a senior State Department official says that the United States Condemned the unlawful Saudi imprisonment of the Children Sarah, and Oma Algebra and is working to secure their release for their part. Saudi officials have not yet responded to the case but according to the Wall Street. Journal. The Kingdom Accuses Algebris of corruption and mismanaging billions of government funds. Holiday Algebris is the son of Dr Saad and he is joining me now from Toronto for this exclusive interview, how did Algebra and welcome to the program now, this is unprecedented situation bringing such a public suit against the Crown Prince de facto leader of your country. Can I stop by us to lay out briefly your father's ties to the United States and his his record as a senior government official in Saudi Arabia first of all, thank you for having me in your show. I think I'm only in repeats what multiple US officials has spoken out. Imprinting public about the value that Dr Aside You know my father brought to the counterterrorism effort both inside Saudi Arabia and outside with Western allies saving hundreds if not thousands of lives on Saudi soil equally. On American soil. He is highly regarded. He served his country well. A lot of people say that the linchpin off the post nine eleven relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States was based on security cooperation that was spearheaded by my father and the former krantz muhammed denied. So. Just to to lay it out, everybody remembers that the majority of the nine eleven hijackers were Saudi. But in the early two thousands, Saudi Arabia decided to go against al Qaeda because it was threatening them as well. You'll father then became a very prominent anti-terrorism official in that regard he also was at the time right hand man to Muhammed Benign. Now, for our viewers, he was at the time and has been the Saudi Crown Prince. He was also minister of interior and such an intelligence link, the intelligence links United States. It's that relationship isn't it that? Puts your father on the outs with the current crown, Prince. I think that's one of the main reasons absolutely you're. You're right. That's one reason behind the political targeting of my father and my family him being perceived as a threat because his close loyalty to NBS mean main contender from our competence deny if. So. We have heard from in various forums I former CIA director John Brennan said in an interview that he believes NBS as he is popularly known practically all over the World Mohammed bin Salman the crown prince went off to your father because he quote thought Saad with somebody he couldn't control. Do you believe that the Saudi authorities somehow wanted to control your father and if so why? I think that's a question for them to answer. What I'm here to talk about is basically the unlawful transnational global terror campaign that my family has been suffering for more than three years right now, it's a campaign that is seeking. The. Murder of my father and his actively taking my siblings, Sarah and Omar as hostages over the past three years with exhausted every possible avenue for quiet diplomacy and reconsiliation to no avail at the end, we were pushed into pursuing accountability injustice in a US federal courts. We hope that this current lawsuit will help end the torment free. Omar and Sarah on your night them with us. Protect My dad and end this nightmare for my family. Okay. So let's go. Let's go through these issues. You've just raised to major elements of your suit that you filed in. Washington DC your younger siblings, Sarah and Omar, tell me what happened to them. You allege that dozens of Saudi officials essentially disappeared them came got them from where they were in in Riyadh and they haven't been heard or seen since what do you think happened? So the story, with Sarah, starts actually before that it wasn't just in March of twenty twenty. Sarah, you know young bright kids they were minors then in twenty seventeen looking forward to their new life in Boston Sarah was going to complete her high school normal to his freshman year. Where ecstatic when they received their US student visas, they were in the airport heading to Boston on June twenty first that happened to be the same day that NBS became crown prince. They were stopped at the airport and banned from travel with no logical explanation or legalist explanation for that sake. During that time, it was shocking for every family member I actually remember Sarah Calling crying not understanding why she can't board a plane to see your family and start to a school in the US and then basically they've been hostage within the kingdom they've been bargained with they'd being used as pawns they've been used as crooked lateral indirect communication between the current Crown Prince and my dad he made it clear that the kids will only be. Allowed to travel to study if my dad's was re return to the Kingdom and you know we've stayed quiet, we had tapped it was extremely painful your mother yourself. You can imagine a seventeen year old girl being away from her mom. That's exactly when she needs to be in her mum's armed the most Omar Bright Guy. He loved the Celtics was looking forward to getting a season ticket and going to each game in and out. And basically, you know our lives were changed forever at every lunch every dinner every birthday there's a couple of chairs empty. There's a lot of in our hearts I mean last week my youngest brother who was six when Sarah kept US hostages in Saudi. Turned nine nine years old and he started asking me where Sarah I miss her I, want to talk to her on. Honestly I ran out of answers and I don't know what to tell him. We've adapted they went back to school. We were always concerned about things escalating because the we know the reason they were only kept as collateral and as bargaining chips, and by the way, the facts was raised very high up even with government officials back in. Two thousand seventeen. So this is not an you encounter. Again, during these three years, we basically explored every single avenue for quiet diplomacy to no avail to Saudi government wasn't even interested. Didn't even give adequate explanations to why Sarah or being held now in March six, which is interesting. It was Sarah's birthday and it was also the same day that Crown Prince Mohammad Deny was arrested Omar and Sarah were summoned to state security and there were explicitly told that. You need to convince your family through a turn to the Kingdom Sarah. Left crying. She called torment that she told my cousin that she felt this was an ultimatum and that they'll be arrested soon and guess what she was right a week later at six am fifty officers showed up to our house in Riyadh and literally kidnapped them from the comfort of the of their. Beds since then we haven't heard from them, we don't even know if they're dead or alive. Have they fallen ill to covert? What's the reason averaged every single official that I had good rapport including the head of security who are foreign medical team to treat, and basically he reads my messages and he doesn't respond and honestly I don't know what the status of Sarah Omar. And I can read obviously the despair in your voice and I understand that this is probably one of the biggest reasons you have submitted this suit. We have to keep saying that we have reached out to the Saudi embassy in Washington so far we have received absolutely no word from them either no reaction to this super. We keep trying to get that official statistics. There's a fit based WANNA share with hold on a second hold on a second. The Saudi officials have told The Wall Street Journal at least a Saudi official that your siblings are in. So called a VIP. Imprisonment or prison situation there. Do you know anything about that and then what is it you want to add? I don't know what they're really mean by VIP prison is supposed to give us comfort and the same Wall Street report is should go back to their reporting in two thousand seventeen reported one person who died from torture at the Ritz. Carlton. which is supposed to be a seven star hotel. So that is I, mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. There is no reason whatsoever to keep Omar and Sarah in the kingdom as hostages since two thousand seventeen, and now unfortunately disappeared for about five months and by the way it's a good point that you bring. The questions to the Saudi Embassy Omar and Sarah where colleagues and classmates ambassadors, children, they know them they use. It goes to the same British school in Riyadh. So you know. I know I know embassador email might not be able to answer but she should answer the question as the mother of the colleagues, Omar and Sarah. How did I. Just wanted to at this point read yet another reaction from from from the United States official. Michael Morales you'll know former acting director of the said this to us I know Dr Saad Really. Well, what he's doing is for his safety and that of his children, what I don't have firsthand knowledge about what he alleges anyone that knows what MBA is being up to is not surprised doped Assad working with B. N. Mohammed Bin, Nyah, the former crown prince the former interior minister has been very helpful in the past to the United States government and to help prevent a tax to the homeland. So you and the and the suit. Brings. Up a very, very explosive allegation and let me read it so that I get it absolutely correctly essentially. The allegation is that a hit squad was dispatched to Canada where you living in. self-imposed. To, try to do whatever you tell me what? Happened some thirteen days after we know what happened to Jamal Kashogi in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul? The The suit does not contain evidence of that. Can you tell me what basis? You allege that, and why is it in your suit? We are confident of our allegations and this will be litigated in court. But what I want to to as well that a lot of people are fixated on a specific. Suits regarding the the hit squad coming into. Into Canada but the campaign to neutralize dad and kill him has started in twenty seventeen keeping Sarah's hostages, reconditioning some family members and subjecting them to torture a misuse of Interpol notices. Honestly issuing direct threats and text exchanges. And saying, you know we will use legal means and other means that will be harmful to you. So, the sending spies in Boston where the FBI is totally aware of it, it's an. More than three year manhunt and it's not just specific to these allegations about hit squad coming in Toronto which we're more than confident that we will litigating in court. So, again, just to say what what we've heard from the Canadian authorities, Bill Blair whose Canada's Minister for Public Safety. Says, while we cannot comment on specific allegations currently before the courts we are aware of incidents in which foreign actors of attempted to monitor, intimidate or threatened Canadians, and those living in Canada. It is completely unacceptable and we will never tolerate foreign actors threatening Canada's national security or the safety of our citizens and our residents. HOLID- CAN I ask you before I get to what the Saudi government is alleging about your father what are they a? You're also out here talking you are in Toronto as well. How have you been affected I dunno drawn into this specifically. I. Father I am a brother. A doctor who dedicated his career to saving lives, and now all they care about is saving the lives of Sarah and Omar and my family. So I think anybody in my position will go to the extreme to secure the safety of his dad and to release his brother and sister from this unjustified imprisonment and disappearance it's been really tough to adopt. We are dealing with active threats as recent as a couple of weeks ago and I have to say I'm grateful for the vigilance if the security agencies both in the US and in Canada have been coming and engaging with us. And context of duty to warn as early as January two, thousand eighteen. and You yourself I believe and I think it says. So in the in the sued you in the United States with threatened in terms of. Something your studies disrupted or something you would try. They were trying to get you to persuade your father to go back trying to reach him through you. Yes. So I've been subjected to acts of spying espionage and Boston adequately documented with the. With the agencies in Boston. The government. Without any, excuse suspended my scholarship. They refuse to renew my passport. Apply every single possible collateral constraint on the family basically leaving them no way. But to go back to the kingdom, luckily I was able to stay in Boston complete my studies then immigrate to Canada. So, as you know, the Saudi government has not said anything formal. There seems to be a story that the Wall Street Journal has written in in the recent past, which quotes a lot of Saudi officials they accused. Of massive corruption. Let me read a little bit specifically alleging that a group of manual father lead while working for the Interior Ministry misspent some eleven billion dollars in government money paying your family at least one billion dollars. What is your reaction to that and and I mean presumably you have This this would probably come out in court as well. Let me say something you know baseless allegations fall apart when viewed by impartial due process or international government buddy. This is exactly what happened with Interpol more than two years ago. Whatever showed up in the Jill is recycled allegations that were put to bed by Interpol two years ago and deemed politically motivated. But let me set the record straight here. Sarah and Omar where banned from travel. The same day in BS became crown prince effectively his first order of business that was five months before his corruption campaign they're using this corruption pretense exactly like they're using Sarah to force my father return. We have repeatedly. In private asks for the government to send their lawyers. There's nothing to hide and then ask for an impartial due process in public that doesn't include. Assassinations or through child hostage-taking yesterday, we took the initiative by going to court. So the Saudis. Are More than welcome to come and defend the allegations, bring their own allegations. Let's settle this thing once and for good. Just to say about Interpol obviously, which was often called upon by the Saudi government to arrest your father, bring him back. They dismissed that having said that they deemed it to be politically motivated rather than strictly judicial. So finally, holid-, you've spoken a little bit just now about what you hope in other words, this will all come out in public that you have thrown down the first sort of gauntlet and that everybody will have to lawyer up. What do you hope to achieve? From the United States from the fact that you've taken this public in as I said, this is unprecedented way. Our main objective here is family reunification and says safety. That is our sole agenda. We love Saudi we don't have an agenda against anybody personally, we want to secure the safe unification of family. And we want to solve this issue once and for all. We are hopeful now that the party would come to the table we are hopeful that they can come and defend these allegations and bring their own. You know that's the way to to settle allegations in a civil wait. There's no need to kidnap children or send squads that's come and solve it. Let's deal with it as men. And on that note hotted algebris. Thank you so much for joining us. Now again, just to reiterate, we have reached out to the Saudi embassy in Washington so far we have not received any response meanwhile, The Times investigative correspondent. Mark Mazzetti is also running down these latest allegations against the Saudi leadership as well as new reports. The Saudi Arabia may be moving towards developing some kind of nuclear weapon or device, and he's joining me now from Washington Mom Mazzetti, you've been reporting on this as well. You've heard now our exclusive interview with holid-. What is your reaction to what he's told us and how important is it that this has been filed in the United States and as he said, let's come out into the bubbly and resolve it like men. Yeah I think stepping back a second and realizing the significance of the job family coming forward a publicly with these allegations and also filing the in core. It's extraordinary that as we send our story today, it's really the first time In the name of subtle jewelry, you have a former top Saudi official publicly making these accusations against Crown Prince Mohammad bin Song. the fact that it was filed in American court. Seems to be the purpose seems to be because there are some statutes on the books in the United States. The torture victim protection, act the Alien Tort Statute that do give some degree of standing for foreigners to bring similar to bring such charges. Even. Though. Dr Algebra is Saudi he's and he's living in Canada. They saw a reason to go to federal court for this. Let's be frank. Also having a lawsuit in American federal. Court. Does come with it. This sort of promotional benefit of having press to air out these charges if there's more of an impact, if you file an American court as you see we in so many others wrote about the charges. So as some legal experts I spoke to said. It may be doubtful that this case might actually proceeding core, but its intended effect might also be just to raise awareness to get these issues air out these issues and these allegations. So before I get to the US point and we've obviously read out so many responses from US officials testifying for. Saad Algebra's character his relationship with the United States four I. Get to that. How do you think Mohammed bin Salman, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia under a huge amount of international pressure how do you think he's going to react where where do you see this leading? Well. It'll be interesting to see how the Saudi government response. Obviously they. Were hoping to get past Jamal. Kashogi horror. And they're the role of the Saudi government in it. And Crowds Mohammed clearly has been trying to move past it and You know go past this period of really being an international pariah because of that I'm having this now come up does create this atmosphere again. Now we should say that The Times and others have reported that the Jamal Shoji episode was just one part of a broader campaign. By crown, Prince Mohammad to crackdown on dissent sometimes in a ruthless and very violent way. You have the episodes at the a at the at the Ritz in Riyadh and we an colleague Hubbard and I last year reported about extensive use of torture extensive use of rendition. That Jamal Zhijie was just one part of an as we learn more about Dr, Saad Al Jabri, and his story. We see that perhaps this was all going on at the same time. So your question about Conference Muhanna Bin. Salman. It might be some time before he in Saudi government are able to move past especially of course. If there is change in government in. Washington early next year. If the trump administration president trump were to lose and Joe Biden were to be president you could be sure that the new administration would take a much tougher line on the Saudis. Then the trump administration has. I was GONNA ask you you've seen already. Taking a pretty putting a stake in the ground but but do you think that president trump? Would want to shield Saudis from from this kind of of of a lawsuit right now I guess you know as you say, they brought in the United States because they think perhaps that's a big shield and a big protection, and it also looks like from what we've heard and from the bulk of the case that the main objective. Read through the lines is to get these two children out and to get the family reunited. Do you think that out of court deal to be done on that? Well. So there, there could be certainly and you read the State Department a statement about that was quite strong about about the allegations So there might in be quiet pressure going on by the trump administration to make some kind of deal I mean, they don't have to make A. Day The Saudi government doesn't have to respond to the court allegations anytime soon, according to the legal experts I spoke to it's a fairly Byzantine process where in fact. It before anyone has to proceed. Bill Hamad, himself would have to be physically served with these allegations in other words sort of like you get served as a peanut you have to be done as we served in purpose in person and you know that would only happen probably if he comes to the United States and even if he comes to the united. States. Then he can claim I'm part of a official diplomatic party and therefore I cannot be served these allegations so. It's unclear how immediately this case could proceed INCORP. But as you point out, there is a broader PR problem for the Crown Prince and so separate from what's going on in court. There may be some reason for him to quietly us back channel diplomacy to resolve it and get it out of the news. Can we just move off this from Menton and talk about another story that you and your colleagues had in the newspaper just recently, and that is about the United States government looking very closely to try to figure out what Saudi Arabia might be doing with China to. To process uranium to potentially or move that into some kind of weapons building capacity, how serious is it? What you know about it? That should that we should know? What were reported this week that the US intelligence community is actually two very close examination. Now in recent weeks and months about exactly the extent of China's work with Saudi Arabia on nuclear issues. We don't nobody believes that Saudi Arabia. Is close to getting a nuclear weapon or even has made a decision that it will. That that wants to get one one day. But there's a lot of early work going on with the uranium that between the Chinese. And the Saudis that can be done for a very above board purpose. You can do this kind of Geranium work with the ultimate aim of having a civilian nuclear program, but it's also worked. You can do a necessarily work if you were to one day, want to enrich it to the quality. and to a higher grade in order to make a nuclear weapon, what we know is that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Has said publicly if Iran will continue to do nuclear work. Then Saudi Arabia will do the same work that it will keep pace, and if Iran is going to get a weapon Saudi Arabia's GonNa, get a weapon. He said this on sixty minutes two years ago. So he is on record about his intentions vis-a-vis his main enemy Iran. So there's a lot of scrutiny going on It does raise this issue potentially of a double standard. For the trump administration, which as we know as you has been, so determined to to sanction and beat back any effort by Iran, because of its nuclear program if it sort of looks the other way on Saudi Arabia or does did hold their feet to the fire. Then there's this question of why are they allowing proliferation in the other great power in the Middle East. And we're certainly following this, Mama Sadie, thank you for your reporting and just to say the Saudi energy ministry says in a statement quote categorically denies having built a uranium or facility in the area described by some of the Western officials. Think about your home for a moment. It's where life happens. It's where you build that treehouse. Try that new recipe. It's where you rest and recharge work and play. You expect a lot out of it, and that's why homeadvisor is committed to keeping your home up and running no matter what they match you with pros in your area pros who can get your home projects done right from unexpected jobs like. 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Of course, all these numbers including the fatalities are expected to grow motive was is professor of urban studies at the American University of Beirut and an active critic of the government in Lebanon she and her family were in the city at the time of the blast and she's joining me now from the university, their motor Alpha was thank you very much for joining us again. Tell me briefly how it felt to you where you were when this massive explosion took off. Yeah we I was home working from home because of the pandemic and it felt like it was the civil war or another. Israeli attack all over again we weren't sure what it was an earthquake we ran, and then it was the sequence of events that we're used to. Because we live in an area that's subject to. Two bombs and very much the memory of the civil war you know calling everyone you know trying to get through the lines making sure the kids out okay and then figuring out what happened sadly familiar sequence of a moments. I. Mean. It is really sad because Beirut Lebanon has been under so much pressure for so many decades I mean, he's taking in so many refugees from the Syrian war. It is on the brink of economic collapses, all sorts of governmental mismanagement protests in the streets over the last year or so and now the people seem really angry really fed up in a way that we haven't seen long long time is the government saying anything about what it plans to do in terms of investigations. That the people can take any solace seven. Actually, there's been a few. Measures that are taking things like what you just mentioned people being arrested but people are very very angry because it's not just about a point employees do his job. It's not about a judge who didn't fast enough it six years of this callous behavior and the real question is not an employee. The real question is who appointed the poets employees, the judge and the entire system and structure that has placed us where we are that. We can live for six years with this explosive material in our report and nothing happens. This is who we want to be accountable and it's not just me. Let's everyone I talked to people on the street that academics, France that's family that's articles in the newspapers across the political spectrum. There's a recognition that the real problem is the political system that's in place and the political classes responsible, and this is who we want to be accountable. and. Indeed, one of your lawmakers has said that senior customs officials and officials sought guidance from the Lebanese cords at least six times over this period that this ammonium nitrate was there on how to dispose of it and nothing came of it. Do you trust? I mean you've spoken about how they don't trust really government government to deal with it. Is there any Charles? The president is sort of already said no, but is there any chance that might be enough pressure to bring an international investigation? Do you think that would would help at least? looker experience with international investigations so far has been that they tried their marred with international with intervention political interventions they take an event that store called. It into a regional problem. So I'm not so comfortable that the real solution is an international investigation. The point is to push towards independence of our judiciary. There isn't legal proposition that's been driving for years to move the political, the judiciary system outside the control of the political class. That's our Rian. Hope it's this internal movement, this mobilization that's been happening for so long that. We felt at some point back in. October that it almost happened that we would get an independent judiciary to present truly the interest up the Lebanese people and right now it feels that it's it's not really close to happening where sort of taken several steps backwards with the financial crisis with the covert crisis and everything else that's been happening and this explosion to top it all. Honestly I mean the way you speak in the way we've heard from others it's like how much worse can it get in this city in this country that is born so much over so long here's a woman who speaking about you know whether she might even be able to rebuild. Let's just take a listen. Then God montage. Doing we come to pack some things from our house and take what we could take. We can't go to upper floor because it might fall on us like everyone else it is not just. Everything is out there in front of the whole world enough. Enough lying and. If, you want to cut my words I don't want to curse a lot. They are liars and we wouldn't find people who lie more than they do. I mean Mona. A no-holds-barred now, they are just fed up with the government, and again you talk to us a little bit about the impact I mean everything from overflowing garbage to poison tap water to electricity shortages we've talked about the economic. Virtual collapse. Know I mean, you're a professor there put it in context for us. All. Right. So for me the real context of what's happening now is the order that was set in place at the end of the Lebanese civil war in nine hundred ninety when people were wearing military fatigues and who were proven warlords were taken to the what was called the accord which was supposed is conference where instead of rendering them accountable for the crimes they did they were instead they instead came back with business suits and declared that they will. Rebuild the country since then many voices had have been saying that they need to be rendered accountable for the war crimes they did and that someone who has so many war crimes cannot rebuild the country. I think that's over the last thirty years with had ample proof of what has happened. They have set in place a system that's not only criminal, but they also have waged a war against us the people of Lebanon and they have reached the point where. With this explosion, they're basically killing populations I don't, and there's all sorts of talk about whether it's triggered or not. It's not really important. What's important is that Lebanese officials at multiple levels were capable of leaving so many explosives and not carrying. This is where we are today and in their infighting bringing in the international community to push in this direction or the other they have. We can the Lebanese society to the point that people today are increasingly thinking about. Their food, their survivor Hollywood get money to repair the glass and I. Think it's really important to realize that it's not just an internal issue. Lebanon. SMART with regional forces. But also into a nationalist forces was been under increasing fire woods with twelve hundred sectors of our political scene from support it respective of what happens to them the we'd collateral damage is us. It's mine university that's struggling to survive one of the oldest universities in the region that's always produce some of the best minds. In the region and beyond that today is wondering whether it would be able to go on. Families that were modernizing to build businesses to build their livelihood that today, I wondering what I have enough food to feed my children and it's really important to send this message out that we need. The international community to change course, we need to empower the Lebanese society to which is full of creative energy, vibrant budding minds, and so much desire to see things differently. Had you been with me for the last three days on the streets you would have seen how many young students young women men were just. Taking their brooms at helping people, tape their windows, finding any way to make a difference to rebuild their cities and his sense of ownership that they really want to do it. We need to support this people. Just very recently, we've got about I. Guess Thirty Seconds Left. You know you talk about the solidarity. Do these people feel that they might have to come out onto the streets again and try to protest to to get the kind of government reaction and accountability that you're talking about in that needs to happen I mean it's beyond just independent judiciary. Absolutely, there's a protest that's planned for tomorrow afternoon, and I'm hearing that many many people who were on now really scared of the covert crisis being on the rise and deciding not to participate in saying that they were going to die anyway, they were going to be killed anyway. So they might as well put a mask on and come out to the street tomorrow afternoon. It's so interesting because you've got it there. We've got against racial injustice in the United States all these movements happening onto the cat pandemic as well. We'll keep watching Mona for was at the American University of Beirut. Thank you so much indeed. Now remember the name theranos touted as a revolutionary blood testing start up until he came crashing down and it's Co founder or rather its founder Elizabeth Holmes was charged with fraud in two thousand, eighteen tyler scholes worked at that company before becoming a whistle blower about the technology which didn't actually work in his new podcast thicker than water he tells his side of the story, his Hari Sreenivasan talking to tyler about that, and lessons learned when it comes to the hunt for a covid nineteen vaccine. Christiane. Thanks. Much Tyler. Thanks for joining us. Now for our overseas audience who might not have kept up with the story of their noses. I mean a very thumbnail summary right off the top here. You wanted to build two hundred different tests that you would run off incredibly, very tiny sample of blood. Won't wrong at the company. Well. Where does IT START Looking at what wrong is I I think we I think the ambitions were a little bit too big in the technology wasn't quite there to back it up but really it was just you know it's a story of vision outpacing reality in the idea of doing anything that is central laboratory can do from a single drop of blood in a walgreens or an operating room. We're in a MEDEVAC HELICOPTER ORDINA battlefield isn't amazing vision in Elizabeth was great sign that vision but not so great at actually executing on it and. Really, the technology did not exist to enable it. You're talking about Elizabeth homes, a CEO and your story as you tell it in this podcast is also about how so many of US press included society at large investors wanted to believe that something. So grand was possible was here today but we really Didn't look under the hood until well after. Patients were already affected. Yeah. I mean it was a great story and you know everyone loves a good story. Unfortunately I think people like this story so much that they didn't really question it You know there were. A lot of systems that had fail in order for Theranos to become what it was. Investors. Feel they didn't do their due diligence It's actually pretty astounding. Elizabeth was able to raise hundreds of millions of dollars in not a single investor ever saw on did financial statement. which is pretty mind boggling. they had a partnership with Walgreens and they actually hired an expert in laboratory signs to go to fairness and due diligence on technology and they kind of they won't show what it was. So he went back to Walgreens said, don't do business with these people and they ignored him and did business with them anyway So there were red flags there but people were just blinded by this in story and what did you do with the company mostly at the company I was doing what was called Assay validation where my job was to. Make sure that the tests were safe in working correctly before we tested actual patients and when did you figure out something was off I learned that something was off about four days after I started working there fulltime the biggest red flag at that point was actually seeing the technology in I was expecting some fancy micro fluid technology in some signal transaction method that I had never dreamed of but what it was was just a pipette inside of box on a robotic arm. So it was very rudimentary technology. There was nothing in there that I hadn't seen before. So that was the first known where I kinda wet. What are the consequences of something like their nose not working when it comes to actual patients lives who are Basically looking for information from this test if the test is wrong, What's the consequence? Being the consequences can be pretty wide ranging when I started really raising concerns. It was over a civilised test, which I was convinced did not actually work and we were starting to run that test on real patients. We had made the decision we're going to. We're going to push this. To to production, WE'RE GONNA start running patient samples, and syphilis is a great example of a test where you're told, you don't have it when you actually do. There are really serious health consequences one you can spread it to other people and then to untreated syphilis is is no joke It's one of those diseases where if you catch it early and get treatment, it's really not that big. Of A deal. But if you're told, you don't have in, you go on and live your life and let it grow. It's it's it can be really bad and they were actual patients in Arizona that we're going to walgreens and giving their blood yet they were actual patients who are using this and we were running for HIV, for Hepatitis C I think we had a fertility panel so Yeah, maybe women were told they maybe lost their baby when they hadn't or or maybe they were pregnant when they weren't So there are all kinds of potential. that outcomes I know particularly are tests did not work very well. Now, I remember one instance when I was out there knows where a patient. Tested for potassium in the result was so far out of range at that person should have been dead. So the technician actually called the patients and said, you have to go to the emergency room immediately. And upon retesting, there was nothing wrong with her. Listening to your podcasts at I wondered. You're really describing red flags almost from day one. Obviously, you have the benefit of hindsight now but there are so many moments in the story where I hear you saying we'll let that didn't sound right that doesn't sound right. I I wondered what kept you going back? What is it that made? You want to go back to work. Knowing that you were leaving lab and you're working with equipment that was not performing anywhere close to how it was being sold. Yes. So there were a couple of things. One I was a huge believer in Elizabeth, and it was really hard for me to reconcile the differences between what I was seeing and what it was telling me and it is really strange looking back to to see kind of like the power she had or the insulin she had over the way people including myself you know in this Audible described. Halloween at Theranos where you know at that point, I've been there about two months and I had seen tons of red flags but I still dressed up as Tina for Halloween. Is still drinking the KOOL aid that I wanted it to work I wanted to be part of the vision I wanted to be part of his company. And it's like when when I listened back to that are the audio book or the audible I just kind of like shake my head like man how? Doing still ally sucking up to Elizabeth. Now there were instances. About the culture and the climate at the you're working under. That were a little scary at times. What kind of surveillance, for example, where you under while you were working there what did the employees know about? Who is watching or how they were being watched Yes so most people actually had kinda post it notes. So they would stick over there the camera on their computer because they thought that sunny the president of the company, it was watching people through the web cans. and seeing when people were working or weren't working every door was you know had video minders but that's not all that unusual. But when I did. So there's one part where I smuggle out a stack of emails. and. I didn't want the security cameras to see me walking out stack of papers. So I just put him straight under my shirt. Put My head down and walked out the door Sunday. Taking papers out of the building when did you decide it was time to speak up and and how did you do that? So I started speaking up after I started seeing in many many more red flags and that was probably five to six months later that I actually started raising my concerns. And then you really you went to the press. Megan. You were not a open source for quite some time but. was at a more effective route. To get the government's attention. Yeah. It was absolutely the most effective route. I you know I confronted the the CEO The president, a board member I reached out to the government. None of that did any the only thing that works was talking to a Wall Street Journal reporter. And I think it just comes down to the government has just way too much to look at in you know they. They may not really be aware of what's happening until it appears in the Wall Street Journal, and I also think that our government response to the collective consciousness of people as they should. So when people outraged government should should out. So now you're talking secretly to the Wall Street Journal the Theranos lawyers are after you because they think you're giving trade secrets, your lawyers they're going back and forth you're concerned about being taken to court and sued you can't talk to your friends or your family about this because then that implicates them. During all this in your story, you say, the mental health suffered to such a point that you were contemplating taking your own life. Why just it was it was just so tough. You know I every morning I woke up and just felt like it was the worst day of my life and I was right every morning I woke up and it was again the worst day of my life just simple. We're stay of your life on groundhog day and it was just unrelenting. You know I'd have a court date in I would be fighting to stay out of court. They would finally say we'll give you more time negotiate than they would just set a new court date. So there was constantly just. This kicking the can just a little bit further down the road about win. I'm going to have to go to court and I knew that when I did go to court I would be spending a fortune. I mean, we're talking a a good case scenario would be to spend two million dollars. Awesome. Spent much more than that You Know My dad's a high school biology teacher, my mom's nurse So they were going to sell their house to pay for by legal sees me feeling guilty about that. Yeah Oh. Yeah. Jailing totally guilty about that because they were begging me not to let that happen. They just said give fairness whatever it is. They want and they didn't really know the specifics of what was happening. They just said whatever it is. They want give it to them. Don't. Make US sell our house. So you can keep fighting this fight. It's not your fight. Is Not your responsibility and I totally understood where they were coming from. But you know I'm made the decision in actually again, listening back and looking back it's It's tough because you know I made the decision that I was willing to make Inc -rupt my my parents so continued fighting this fight. which is. If thinks that turned out differently you know it would look really stupid. It would be very selfish in analog as I just got. Things turned out as low as they did, and now people look back and say, hey, what hero but easily could have on the other way your grandfather George Shultz he played what role in this. My grandfather was on the board of Directors I. I met Lisbeth in my grandfather's living room. When I was a junior at Stanford, your grandfather happens to be somebody who served three different cabinet positions He's Kind of steamed in the in the circles of diplomacy. and. You keep talking about how George Shultz. Seemed to be picking. The version of reality that Elizabeth Holmes was presenting to him versus you his grandson WHO's saying Hey, there's something wrong here. Yeah. That's true. I mean over and over and over there were instances where he could've taken my side over Elizabeth in every single time he shows to defend Elizabeth over me. And? Eventually I got to appoint Rogers thought you know I have to not worry about him in just worry about myself. I can't stop making decisions with him in mind at all I just gotTa worry about me. If she is chosen to. Stick with Elizabeth he's Keegan. With it. I'm GonNa move on what is it about Elizabeth that people seem to believe a want to believe especially people who grandfather? Yeah. It's it's a tough question to really answer. Funny when Hbo Documentary Aired are premiered at Sundance right afterwards I went wash documentary about Harvey Weinstein and you hear people describe Harvey as very charismatic person who you are just drawn to, and you want to be year round and you'll get now and you think how could anyone ever think is person was charming and charismatic in that's kind of the same feeling that I had towards Elizabeth. It's really hard to describe exactly what it was but in part it was you know her her big blue eyes kind of locked you end she had a very deep voice almost lulled you into some kind of hypnosis in at the time I think both of those attributes pretty charismatic. The Noun. People look back on it. is they how you ever think she was scared that had that really weird voice in psychopath is so it's weird how interpretations of character traits or traits. Change, once you know the truth about somebody. theranos. Elizabeth homes and Sunny. Malani are still facing criminal charges. Their court date could be next year because of the corona virus delaying things. What do you hope for at the end of that process? I just hope that it happens I. Hope that it happened sooner rather than later I'm ready for this over As, for like my hopes of outcomes I. Know I honestly don't think all that much about it and. But unfortunately, I'm afraid that Elizabeth is going to walk away from this still being a multimillionaire. COBB I. I don't know that's just kind of a sad realization mean. Like I feel like. Deserves to have a conversation with her parents were her parents have to sell their house to pay for her legal fees that's not going to happen I feel like this is going to end. And She'll probably walk away multi-millionaire one way or another to what's the what's the cautionary tale here? What should we be able to learn from what happened at Theranos and apply towards how we are looking at? Either the diagnostic equipment that's coming around for Covid, or for the tests or even for the vaccine I think the the key thing is to do due diligence. We have to verify that these things actually work before report hundreds of millions of dollars into them. and that's really what it comes down to and Elizabeth, was really good at making sure people didn't look too closely where is government oversight comes to the amounts money that we are investing in lots of different companies to try to help provide a vaccine for the corona virus in to make sure that that vaccine gets to everyone and do you think that a lot of the conditions that allowed there s to thrive are pretty prevalent today in this endemic there's a lot of stimulus money out there a lot of. Money from investors or from the government, the important diagnostics, vaccines and therapies, and there's really only so much regulators can do on. So I do think it is a great time to commit fraud if it's something you're looking to do. and you know my my expertise is really diagnostics not in the vaccine. So you on the diagnostics side. There were a lot of stumbling blocks early on with the diagnostics, the the FDA trying to decrease regulations to allow good products to come into the market. But then I realized that there were a lot of bad products out in the market. So on the FDA has really cracked down on companies that weren't offering quality products. and. So I actually do you have to give credit to the FDA or being as flexible as they've been? You know they started out probably too lenient in now I think we're in a much better place. Right Tyler Schultz. The audible is called a thicker than water. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. And it really is an incredible story and what a valuable whistleblower that was, and finally it is one of the hottest days on record here in London. But in the Arctic British, scientists have made an exciting discovery. They found this week eleven. New Colonies of Emperor Penguins have been spotted from space after researchers captured bird droppings on these satellite images, which means there are nearly twenty percent more per colonies on the continent than previously thought it is great news but conservationists worn dangerous levels of climate change continue to affect the region. And that's it for now. Thanks thanks for watching and goodbye from London. You. Expect a lot from your home. It's where life happens. It's where you have birthday parties, movie nights where you rest and recharge work and play. And at home advisor keeping your home up and running is what we're all about. Whether you need to repair overloaded appliance are built a summertime backyard retreat use the HOMEADVISOR APP to find a local to get the job done. Right. Whatever you need. They'll do everything to fix your everything down the homeadvisor APP and get started today.
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"He is impulsive narcissistic. He's way way vindictive. He has no memory of being elected president and only one man. One bird man can get him out. I'll take the case. Harvey Birdman attorney general Sunday, October fourteenth at midnight on a doled swim. Out front next, wiped out for came Michael, taking out entire towns and at least six people are dead, including child tonight, the powerful storm leaving much of the panhandle, looking like a war zone. Plus a US officials saying the working assumption is that a Washington Post contributor was murdered my guest Senator Lindsey, Graham who says there will be held to pay if the Saudis Tilton is President Trump on the same page and the f. word dropped in the Oval Office. Kanye west bizarre meeting with President Trump. Let's go out front. Good evening. Everyone. I'm Kate Baldwin in for Erin Burnett out front tonight. Catastrophe hurricane Michael. One of the most powerful storms to hit the continental United States in decades roared across Florida's panhandle. In a matter of hours in its wake whole towns were destroyed. Businesses wiped out, much of the panhandle, a disaster area. You're looking at Mexico beach. This really just amazing it is now hold ground zero for hurricane, Michael, the once thriving beach town. Now gone. Listen to one man's description of what happened is he was riding out the storm. There. Were came in houses started floating in front of our home and stuff. We had furniture in our house was our furniture. That's what had it surged had brought stuff in so bad. It's like the walls collapsed and everything and stuff. And so like you stayed the only thing that could find it of our of my briefcase. Hurricane Michael's death toll is rising at least six people, including a child have been killed. And that number is expected to rise tonight. A search and rescue opera operations continue. This is what they're facing, fallen trees, blocking roads, countless homes destroyed each needs to be searched for anyone who could be trapped one rescuer, with the volunteer Cajun Cajun navy. Had this sobering message. I'll never been cleared up a storm a day, my life and then but right here, but the field God, it be. The. A lot of people probably feel that very same way there tonight. Miguel Marquez is live tonight be heavily damaged, Mexico Beach, Florida, who's joining me now, Miguel, what are you seeing. Devastation an entire city that is almost wiped off the face of the earth. When a show you what you're looking at behind me, that was twenty four thirty six hours ago, beautiful homes, businesses of a beachside community. Now it is. It's barely even stilts at this point, it has been wiped clean down to the foundation, much of this town. Looks like this as you look across ninety eight here ninety eight sort of the the road along the beach year, huge chunks of ninety. Eight are gone washed away in this storm and right across the street. What should be a thriving beach community is now complete devastation. There's one house around here that is standing but just barely on. It's still of all of the walls are blown out, and the roof is blown out. There is an area where emergency services is gathering to start. Going through house to house, looking for survivors as about one hundred sixty five search and rescue personnel from both Louisiana and Florida who are here on scene. There's also a ton of people gathered around a service station right at the main part of town at ninety eight and the public, pier the Mexico beach public here that is nearly gone. Several of them asked me, begged me to let the world though that they are alive and well, if I can just to read off a few names. Robin, red sloth of her family is in Michigan. She wants them to know she is okay. Don Vickers and her entire family and their three dogs. All of them are. Okay. Robert, Brock, he is okay. David Siebert wants his mother and mobile Alabama to know he is okay. An Cowfield and her mother her ninety two year old mother who was wheelchair-bound she's okay. I just spoke to them. They looks like they're getting on an ambulance shortly and getting outta here. But there is a massive effort that is just starting to take root here to to take care of the basic needs of people, and those search and rescuers just starting to get the neighborhoods to to look for people. We have certainly heard that there are many people who that there are. People who are missing here and and there is a lot of concern about what is going to become of this community. It is just the devastation is unbelievable. Getting here was extraordinarily difficult. And then when you get here, it is just shocking to see. It is literally like a a massive bomb went off and just flattened the town and knocked down trees for a good thirty forty miles leading into here. Just nothing but forests of trees that are knocked over. Absolutely incredible credible. This say, cake. It is so was no matter what you're looking at. It is such a relief to hear you reading names of people to make sure that their loved ones know that they are okay that they are. Alright tonight. It is such a relief to hear that you've talked about how difficult it's hard to even broadcast from there because all the cell phone towers have really been wiped out how what was it like trying to get into Mexico beach. It took us about three hours. We went a very long way around from the north and then down south, and there was one bit of it that was particularly difficult. There's a lot of trees down, but most of those have been at least chopped through. So you can get through a very small corridors. But there was one section where several miles of nothing but trees across the road the road was just green with trees. There was you couldn't even see the roads. So everybody had to sort of wait one way traffic along the side of the road next to a running little Brooke that was threatening to sort of draw you in because it was getting money with all the cars going back and forth on that. It was. It was not a sort of drive you'd want to do every day. It was shocking to see the number of trees that have just blown over and snap about in the middle and are now just laying all in the same direction. I mean, it's it's incredibly neat and tidy to see the way that the wind was. Glowing and how all those trees blew the exact same way Kate, nothing. Even tiny about the about the scene behind you. It's hard to believe your eyes and what you're looking at tonight. Miguel, thank you. I appreciate it. And unfortunately, it may be days if not weeks before there is any real relief for much of the Florida panhandle. At this point, our Brian Todd is out front. From the air. Mexico beach is a wasteland homes and businesses around this Florida. Gulf Coast city took the brunt of the storm obliterated by winds as high as one hundred fifty, five miles per hour. This was a middle school gymnasium. This was a mobile home park. This was an apartment complex in some areas. Nothing is left but a concrete slab, Brian watt l. says as the storm came ashore, he hit in his bathroom. This was scares. I've ever been in my life. There for a while. I didn't know what was going to happen or I was trying to call people. We didn't have no cell phone service, but the the wind was really, really, really bad, Florida governor, Rick. Scott says officials are assessing how long recovery will take with damage reports still coming in this hurricane was an absolute monster, and the damage left in its wake is still yet to be fully understood today. The top focus is search and rescue, but those efforts are being hampered by impassable roads. Something we discovered as we try to make our way into Mexico beach down trees and power lines are making it nearly impossible for first responders to reach certain areas. Everything's complete destruction. All trees are down. Power lines are down. We just been cleaning roads all morning long, and those who wrote out the storm away from their homes can't get back is not good. It's not looking good. We've got reports that it's bad, rare, bad Florida officials, say thousands of rescue personnel are on the ground along with dozens of helicopters. In boats to help pull people out. Meantime, there are nearly half a million people without power across Florida, Alabama and Georgia. Tens of thousands of utility crews are working on restoring electric city, but officials say, it could take many days. And tonight more than twenty four hours after the wall of the storm passed over this region, these are the obstacles that are still impeding first responders trying to get to those isolated areas, massive down trees like this one here in Tallahassee down power lines, very treacherous to try to get around just twenty four hours. Again, Kate after the storm hit. These are the frustrations that first responders are still going through trying to get to those isolated areas. We witnessed volunteers coming out with chainsaws, trying to cut through these, these impediments just to get ambulances through and they're still having trouble tonight getting into those isolated areas. Katie and the frustration is only gonna amount as the day. Start piling on Ryan. Thank you so much, really appreciate it. I want to show you now some of the damage in Panama City, Florida. These are pictures of the destruction at Saint Dominic Catholic church just from today, and I also want to show you these pictures are what the church looked like before the storm. Just look at that here with me. Now. And his father, Luke fair bomb. He's from Saint Dominic Catholic churches with tonight. Father, thank you for being here. Of course. Yes, this is your church. This is your congregation the before and after seeing those pictures is just startling. You see all of this around you tonight. And what do you think. Yeah, it's it's surreal. Like earlier, they were saying that a bomb went off. It feels like that with all the trees down. I'm standing here in the parish hall. This is where we have our services after our our masses, and we have our bookstore to my right. And as you can see, cinderblocks we have, you know, metal framed doors are roof is completely off. This hall is ruined. The church building has significant damage. The stained glass window we have, you know, glass everywhere flooding our apartments next to our next to the church, have sustained severe damage. So we're, we're really, really hurting over here. Our offices recently renovated are just a disaster. So yeah. So for perspective where you're standing right now, father should be indoors. Yeah. So this is the parish hall. So as a, I'll step back so you can get a little better view. This would have been the roofing structure and just glasses everywhere. I'm standing and glass on our house on campus where the priests stay. The roof started slapping during the storm. So I bet that point we went to the stairwell and it was just a howling wind, and you could feel the pressure in your ears. Just like you're in a plane. Just going through different altitudes was crazy and all my all my clothes are ruined. I'm actually wearing the Societa priest prese close. So it's really devastating. My whole closet was soaked with rain on and all the insulation has just come down. So half the houses ruined. It was just a really, it was a very scary event. Do you know if everyone is accounted for for me, congregation. Okay. So we've been sending out text and calling AT and t. works right now. Verizon doesn't. So we've been sending out text and calling. We haven't account for everyone so we know the people that have stayed on there. Some that I'm still getting even close friends that I'm trying to get hold of. So we haven't heard from everyone. A lot of the evacuees are asking how we're doing, but we're still worried about those people who are in town. I'm really struck just seeing you there that you're experiencing this. You're dealing with, I mean, trauma and loss, but there are going to be a lot of people looking to you turning to you for comfort in the aftermath of all of this. How do you do that? Yeah, yeah. So we were in the neighborhoods actually earlier just to seeing, you know, my pastor keeps saying that things are replaceable what people aren't. So we've been, you know, going around and just making sure that you know everyone's okay at this point, you know, things we can replace. But we, we've seen a lot of signs of hope. Actually, this this afternoon, we celebrate a mass at four PM and the survivors in the apartments came and it was really beautiful service. We offered it in thanks giving to God, and it was. It was very powerful. We did that at four PM. We're planning on doing that in the days to come. That's really powerful. What do you do now? Father, what is your message to the community when all it looks like behind you is despair. Yeah. I mean, I've been saying that the difference between hope and optimism, you know, optimism says that you know the storms not coming or, you know, maybe, you know, my car will survive, you know, being just optimistic, but hope is that you know, even if the storm does come even if I lose my car, my house, my family, even find, lose my life, blessed be God. And so I've been telling people to have hope you know that that are, you know, our award isn't just in this life but in life to come. So we're just trying to be people have hope at this point, hope might be hard to find, but just a sliver of it can give you something father. Thank you so much. And then and bless you. Thank you. Please be in touch. That's amazing, sir. An important story tonight Alfran for us. Next AccuWeather storm tastes are Reed Timmer. He's been with us all week as you know throughout the hurricane season. And he is saying that this is as dorm, like no other, he's out front next. 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Of course, I did on here. I am telling about make sure to subscribe and listen on apple podcasts, Spotify, stick CIA, or whatever else you get your podcasts. Devastation. As far as the I can see hurricane, Michael now, the most powerful storm to hit the continental United States since nineteen Ninety-two at least six people are confirmed dead at this moment more than a million customers across six states are without power because of hurricane. Michael. One of the first start reporting on the devastation on the ground in Mexico beach is our own Brooke Baldwin. She spent the day out there. She's out front now back in Destin Brooke, it was amazing to see you on the ground earlier today. When you were able to get in there and in stablishment connection, can you even describe what you saw. It's actually really tough to, you know, devastating, it's all gone. It was leveled, but you know, it's, it's one thing you six Taliban, right? You just reported six battalions is what we know of so far in the wake of hurricane, Michael, and I talked to all these fire and rescue the few that rebel to get in there right around when we did this morning and they were going to do door to door knocking trying to see who had survived who needed medical attention and in some cases who didn't want to leave and trying to coax them out. And they were saying quite bluntly to me that that number will go up. It was just too preliminary because it was so difficult to get into Mexico beach today. I mean the fact that we were able to get in and be live was pretty extraordinary. We started our morning early. We jumped on this helicopter and we were able to land just shy of win. They had closed the airspace. So it's only for the next couple of days. It's closed. We Ribble to get in walk along highway ninety eight in just looking from the left to the right. I mean where we had to set up into our live, my life show today wasn't just the worst of it. You know, you often you come into these towns and you cover tornadoes and hurricanes and mass flood events is as we all have and you you, you find the worst of it. But everywhere in Mexico beach was the worst of it. Kate, you know, houses because of the thirteen feet storm surge, and one hundred fifty five mile an hour at its worst winds managed to pick homes up and tossed them, you know, a football field and a half on the other side of the highway and in front of somebody's front yard as somebody who was sitting in their home and watching this all happen. Those who chose to stay in ride it out it was it was devastating Kate to look at and you. You spoke with some folks who were on the ground who wrote it out and thank the Lord that they survived it, but is it, do they think it's even livable there right now. Oh, it's absolutely not livable. It's it's unsanitary between the heat today that this, the smell that starts right because of the water because of who knows what's in the water. You know it, it is absolutely not safe. I talked to one man who decided to ride it out because a lot of people thought right category to I'm a, I'm a hearty Floridian who's been through for a canes before and he's one of the ones who told me, you know how everyone I talked to today, who decided to write it out, thought it different moments that the that their life was going to end. He had a neighbor whose home was gone and he knows she wrote it out. That's my point about death toll changing once they're able to get an assessed, but on either side of this of this roadway, most of the homes were leveled except for the newer, some of the newer structures you can tell which had different hurricane provision more recently did. Make it, but that was few and far between Kate, do these folks regret stymie now it's kind of past the point, but did they regret being there after this? I think they would say, what's the point of regrets? They would say they're grateful that they have their health. You know, I think the the best point of of our day, if I can just just selfishly as journalists was giving these people are satellite phone because there's no cell service in all of Mexico beach, and to be able to let them call loved ones to tell them that they're okay, was just wonderful for them and for all of us just because no one really knows it's the unknown that I think got so many people emotional, just thinking about, all right, we made it now. What right now? It's just a matter of we saw people coming into town and trying to pick out any bits and pieces of their home. Was there a photograph? I saw guy who actually found a briefcase of his from his home that was destroyed. I mean somebody else's sofa. Somebody else's refrigerator landed in his home in. And it's those those precious pieces of one's life. As you start to think about rebuilding looks like from from all of your video, it looks like it is going to be a long long road for rebuilding for that. A lot of those folks in that community. Thanks bro. Thanks for bringing us the stories. Mona show you now some other incredible video that we're that we were seeing a woman being a medevac out of Panama City neighborhood by the coast guard. She was taken to a local hospital. She is now in stable condition, but that is not the kind of ride that anyone wants to be taking in the middle of the storm. The coast guard says that they found her after being signalled by flashlight from good Samaritans, who were concerned for their neighbor in distress. Joining me right now is Vice Admiral Scott bushman. He's up racial commander of the Atlantic area. US coastguard he's in mobile, Alabama Admiral. Thanks for. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you. You've been out in you. You were out all day seeing this from the air and a helicopter. How widespread will you describe what you saw the damage. Got to see some of the damage from the air watching the Florida panhandle today. And once you get east of Panama City is certainly see some significant damage. I got the fly over mess, Mexico City or Mexico beach where came ashore and the damage there is certainly catastrophic ac- homes destroy the buildings destroyed by you see power lines down, plead forest, the trees down, and you see, votes strewn about owed sunk in votes mood. Very large businesses, very catastrophic damage where to ensure, let's talk about the mission of the coast guard right now. What are the biggest challenges that your teams are facing as they're trying to do the jobs trying to rescue folks. But we've prepared for this storm very hard for days in advance work with the state of Florida and FEMA be ready for this. We're able to get an air crews out there as soon as the weather cleared last night. We got five helicopters now through several fixed-wing aircraft out there. The conducted seventeen rescues last night. We have some of the best aircrews in the world. They have to be at their best Lenny elements route the worst, but even for Cruz easer extremely challenging conditions, what they're flying in nighttime, they're giving a latte, longitude position. They lower someone down there, get some close to physician, their new trees or near down power lines. You're near debris flowing water. Cities are extremely challenging conditions for very, very well trained crews. What's your biggest concern right now is the is the mission is far from over. Well, we rescued with us in cousins, border protection, Sandra system about one hundred twenty people certainly concerned that there's more people need be rescued. We noticed a number of reduction this afternoon and a number of quest for our citizens to rescue people. However, we are still very concerned about anyone that may need assistance in a working very closely in very coordinated fashion with state of Florida and all the first responders to continue to render assistance anyone needs. When do you think of any guests yet when you think the rescue phase of this will be over. I'm not gonna make conjecture not. I will tell you the coastguard. Interesting. I will be there. Well, we need to be there and people need to be rescued Bill. Always appreciate that. That's for sure Admiral. Thank you so much for coming in. Thank you very much. Thank you for doing what you do. I'll front for us. Next top US Senator says, all signs point to Saudi Arabia, killing Washington Post contributor. His longtime friend tells us about his fear of the Saudi government. He knew who do something very bad to him, either put in jail forever Okla. 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He went in and it doesn't look like he came out. It certainly doesn't look like he's around. Jim shoe is out front. Tonight, a senior Republican Senator tells CNN that he believes the missing journalists, Jamal shook g. is dead and that Saudi Arabia is likely responsible and tell points directly at now and them thinking about this and advance. I think they did it. And unfortunately, I think that he's deceased CNN has confirmed that the US has intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a plan to lure Kush shook Jeet back from the US where he lived to Saudi Arabia and detain him. They're taking him from the consulate is believed to have been the Becca plan, though it is unclear if there was ever a plan or intention to kill him. U. s. officials, say, Saudi Crown, prince, Mohammad bin Salman would likely have had to approve of such a plan but cautioned that he may not have known the specifics of the operation Senator Lindsey, Graham warned of quote, a bipartisan, sue NAMI. If the Saudi government is proven responsible behavior like this is unacceptable, violates every international norm it can't be condoned. And the way we deal with Saudi Arabia will be a message to others. The Saudi government vehemently denies any involvement. Turkish police say they have evidence. Otherwise, their assessment is that cookie was allegedly killed at the consulate. The New York Times citing Turkish officials who say his body was cut up into pieces with a bone saw and taken out Cici TV, cameras, captured Saudi government vehicles, leaving the consulate less than two hours after Kushtia entered. Then driving to the console compound Turkish authorities have identified fifteen. Saudi men as persons of interest. Several of them caught on camera arriving in Istanbul hours before because Shuki disappeared. Saudi sources tell c. n. n. that one of them is a former diplomat and intelligence officer another a forensics expert because Shuki himself, his friends tells CNN long feared what the Saudi government would do to him if he ever returned to his home country and he suspected they wanted to detain him. When he went back, he knew they will do something very bad to him, either put to jail forever or kill him. So he had all these vets in areas and has mind. That's why he had no plans to go back. He didn't trust the promises. He didn't trust guarantees because it's worth nothing. According to this, you Kush cheese friend. He was invited back to Saudi Arabia as recently as may offered a position as an advisor to the Royal family. Because Shuki we are told saw through that he saw through it as a plot to learn him back to his home country to imprison him, Kate or worse. And thanks so much. Out front now, the senior Senator from South Carolina Republican, Lindsey, Graham, he sits on the Senate Armed Services and judiciary committee Senator. Thanks for coming in. Can you give me your sense right now is your mom cook, g dead and did the Saudis kill him. What will they ever passing day? It looks increasingly likely that he's dead and the most logical explanation is that he went into the consulate. He never came out and the Saudis had something to do with it. We'll know more in the coming days, but I'm never been more concerned about his wellbeing that am right now and all the indicators point to Saudi Arabia. And and if if it turns out to be Saudi Arabia, as I've said before, they'll be all hill to pay. What other signs are you looking for? If all signs are pointing their now? Well, they did do account Saudi Arabia does for what happened in the consulate. He gave his phone to his fiancee about one fifteen in the afternoon, and she waited around amid never came. I wanna know who these fifteen people from Saudi Arabia word that landed at the airport and went to the consulate. So you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to be concerned here. And if this is done at the hands of the Saudi government, if they're cramped prints was involved in this in any way, it will virtually destroy. A his ability to lead this country on the international stage. I want to ask you because you have warned that there would be held to pay. Was your words for the Saudis? If it was them, what does that mean? That means a all out sanctions against those who engage in this behavior. Isolating the regime, trading it with the contempt they showed to us. I've been a very big supportive Saudi Arabia. We have strategic interests line against Iran, they've helped us in the world terra. They've been good ally in many ways. But if this did occur, this would show contempt for the US Saudi relationship. They would take guy like like me for granted. They're testing our values, and if they in fact did this, I want every other country that we deal will understand what would happen to you would hit in the wallet and everything. And my my view would be on the table. What do you do then if the president doesn't follow through on what you're calling for him response, what do you do that? The con. Congress connect- we sent a letter about parson fashion to trigger the global minuscule act, which would allow sanctions against those involved. The president's been very good. I've got no reason to believe he will not act decisively, whether or not we could off military aid is something to consider because we do have national security interests in Yemen and other places, but I'm very pleased with the way the president's handled this, all I can say is to Saudi Arabia. This is an affront to who we are as American people, and we will not let this stand this violates every norm of international law and this will this will not go and challenge. Look what I'm hearing from you is that your gut is telling you right now, it is much more likely that the Saudis did this and that he is dead, but not more problems than let me with every passing day. It seems more likely, you know, all the evidence indicates that something bad happened to him in that conflict. I can't believe he wouldn't come out and say, Hello. Does fiance be left to consulate. So when you go in a building owned by the Saudi government, you never come out to to four so well moving forward and who's doing and who who is directing the math, I think is a question if they do think they would do could do something like this without Muhammed bin someone ordering it or knowing about it, it'd be pretty hard for me to believe that something this orchestrated was done without knowledge of the government. You know, the crown prince has been sort of visionary in terms of transforming Saudi Arabia, but he's also been repressive in pretty cruel. He apparently cannot take much criticism. So vision, twenty thirty is going to give away give into this. I mean, this idea of changing Saudi Arabia under his leadership will be impossible to achieve. I believe if he was in fact involved in directing the murder of this Washington Post contributor, how far how hard do you go? I asked that today because it seems that the president is already taking something off the table. You said everything should. Be on the table. He seems to be taking restrictions of arms sales to Saudi Arabia already off the table. Listen to this. That would be hurting a widow. We have jobs we have, you know, a lot of things happening in this country. We have a country that's doing probably better economically that it's ever done before. A part of that is what we're doing with our defense systems and everybody's wanting them. And frankly, I think that that would be very, very tough pill to swallow for our country. Are you ready to take that off the table? I don't know yet. Generally speaking, we do have. The military interest with Saudi Arabia against Iran, particularly terrorism in general. But having said that everything would be on the table, the minuscule act really focused his own economic sanctions hitting that they live opulent lifestyles and Saudi Arabia to say the least. So what I'd like to do is start with the hitting them hard in their wallet in their lifestyle on everybody in the world of know who we are when it comes to events like this, and I want everybody understands that if you're an ally of the United States because we have strategic interests that you don't have a blank check to do anything. He would like this is a game changer for regarding hitting them in the wall of is actually going to do is actually going to send enough of a message when you talk about them living in lifestyle being. Yeah, I think so. I think I think went to a lot of damage to the way they do business way. They traveled the way they invest. You know, the minuscule is a very strong tool that was created by Senator McCain. This is the first test of it outside of Russia. Let's start there and see where we go. Let's continue to investigate. But the one thing I will say your viewers when it comes to dealing with this count me all in to be as hard as possible. What does the time from you're going to allow produce this man, Saudi Arabia or this begins soon. The letter was sent to the president he has. I think. Sixty ninety days. I can't remember the time period, but it shouldn't take that long to resolve this. And I'm sorry, I got to go vote, but the bottom line here is the congress in a bipartisan fashion has reacted to this. I think there be a bipartisan, sue NAMI coming against Saudi Arabia. This is a test of who we are. This is not about the crown prince or Jared Kushner, who I think has done a very good job in the mid east. This is Val standing up for who we are. This is complete disrespect of the US Saudi relationship to put us in this box to put a guy like me in this box Bill pay price and all others who want to go down this road will understand what will happen to you. You gotta go vote. Let me real quick. Dina Powell is now out of contention. She's taken herself out of contention for to be UN ambassador. Who would you then like to see in the role? Do you have an idea? Not not right off the top of my head, but there are some very talented people out there, and I'm sure we'll find a good ambassador. Nikki did a great job and. I gotta run. Thanks. Thanks Senator. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. I'll front Rusnak's did the US know that the Washington Post contributor was in danger and did the United States have a duty to warn him General, Michael Hayden, former head of the CIA is my guest next plus Connie was epic White House brand. This hat on and make you feel like superman. I'm eighty cats and UCLA his Chris Wilkes is on March madness three sixty five. Hopefully though some of those. Everybody coming out the suit. LeBron's come check out some UCLA games right out today. C. c. can come in March man is three sixty five now at apple podcasts and spot upon. Confusions tonight over whether the US is doing enough to find out what happened to missing Washington Post columnist, Jamaica shook g today, President Trump said the US is involved in the investigation. We have investigators over there and we're working with Turkey, and frankly, we're working with Saudi Arabia. We wanna find out what happened, but Turkish diplomatic sources say that's not true. I'll front tonight former CIA director General Michael Hayden general. Thanks for coming in. Sure. What do you make of the US response so far to this disappearance? Should the president be pushing harder or or is the president right to say that they wanna let this be investigated before? I don't know leaning in? Yeah. So you want to be quite certain because this is going to be a very dramatic event and US Saudi US Turkey, our relations. But you know, it looks as if the case is building its own momentum and based upon just the commentary this evening, I think those folks who know believe very strongly that this is exactly what happened. And the hand of Saudi Arabia was was involved in this until I'm a little disappointed that the president seems to be a bit behind. And the conclusions that I think are clearly being drawn by the intelligence community I was, I was certainly off put by the commentary today trying to point out that shook. She wasn't a US citizen and it had happened in Turkey. I mean, those aren't really critical considerations. This is extremely big deal as Senator Graham pointed out. Let me ask you about that because one he has been talking about this. The president's talking about this. He is now I, it's not more than once has made a point to say the cookie tree is not a US citizen, although he is a US resident. And regardless of that, a columnist for the Washington Post, listen to this. Country. It's in Turkey, and it's not a citizen as I understand it. But the thing like that should happen or you don't have American citizens, but that doesn't matter. Does this matter. Look, we have a duty to warn in the American intelligence community. And so if we had information prior to the event, there was a responsibility that that we had, and frankly, Kate, it doesn't matter if you're a citizen a resident or even an enemy of the United States. I actually is director passed on information to countries that you would have put in that letter category because we have a duty to warn to protect innocent life. And so if we knew that before the event, we either had a requirement to to warn him or to wave off the Saudis. Now I need to quickly add that we may have had information before the event. That only makes sense after the event. In other words, later information than aluminum that which you already had, it proves the case, but regardless, but regardless of I do and I talk. About duty to warrant, but kind of even separate from that. Why is the president now more than once making the point to say that he's not an American citizen? What does it have to do with this? Because I think the facts of the case lead the United States if we want to be true to our values, and frankly, true to our policy interests in the region in the world to make some very hard decisions to the heir to the throne of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. About the duty to warn. I mean, US officials just for reporting to make sure we ever remind our viewers. We're reporting US officials familiar with the intelligence say that's tells c. n. n. did they the US had intercepts of Saudi officials discussing a plan to try to lure Shuki backed the Saudi Arabia? And in doing that detain him, you say it is the duty, it is the obligation of the United States to have warned about that ahead of time. Yes. Again danger to innocent life and you have information in which you have confidence there is a duty to warn, but again, Kate, I I need to point out that even intercepts and of course, I, I don't have any secret information here, but even intercept. Sometimes you're only enlightened by things that you learn later, and then it becomes obvious, but it's obvious only in the rear view mirror, not in the windscreen that's an and that is a good point. I mean, at this point general. What do you think happened? I think the narrative that we've all agreed upon is probably right. I think they wanted to to to capture pressure co worse him. And frankly, I think the team overstepped performed poorly something unexpected happened. I do not presume that they intended to kill him, but that doesn't relieve them or the kingdom or the crown prince for responsibility for the death it couldn't. Do you think this could have happened without the Saudi leader? Mohammed bin Salman without his approval. My my, my judgment and this is this is speculative on my part is that the fact of the operation that that could not have occurred without his knowledge and approval, the fine print what actually happened in the consulate. That might be a different matter if this was the Saudis. If he is dead. What will this? What should this due to the what has been historically an important relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia? It is an important relationship, but but you know, the relationship has its roots and our dependence on Saudi Arabia for oil and that dependence no longer exists. So we've got a bit more freedom to maneuver here with the kingdom. We're no longer the supplicant here. I think the kingdom is the supplicant and so we don't have to give the monarchy are unconditional love. We we can place conditions on a positive relationship with the United States, and it looks like very likely those conditions are coming. Thank you so much. Thank you for us. Next Konya west. Talk about a turn. Gonyea west makes an epic appearance in the Oval Office. What's he trying to sell the president on a new Air Force? One possibly designed by apple. The Wayne one did the hydrogen powered airplane, and this is what our president should be flying. It is football season and the SIMS left go podcast with me out of love and me, Chris, have your NFL needs covered. We've got guests. We got Phil breakdowns picks and predictions. We've got you covered and for college football fans, then you need to check out on that note from stick to football and heath mellow encounter. Rogers cover the draft, the Heisman race and the road to the championship every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. And if your fantasy team needs help, that's where I come in camp host of fantasy camp, all get your lineup tuned up and into the win column. So subscribed to Simpson left goes stick to football and fantasy camp today. Cursing ranting and pitching new products that was Connie west in the Oval Office today holding court with an audience that included the president of the United States. Athena Jones is out front. Personas hero's journey right now. And he might not have expected to have a crazy for like Conde west, run up a remarkable display in the Oval Office. Thursday afternoon, cameras capturing controversial rapper, Konya west, delivering a lengthy profanity laced soliloquy praising President Trump and his make America great again message. It was something about when I put this handle and maybe feel like superman west content vacating on a wide range of topics, including his own mental health and his appointment with the doctor. He said that I actually wasn't bipolar. I had sleep deprivation even weighing in on what type of plane. He believes the president should be flying in a broad, a gift with me right here. This right here is the eye plane one. It's a hydrogen powered airplane, and this is what our president should be flying in. Look at this year. Read about the next one we get. They'll get a look at the White House, build the meeting as a discussion about urban revitalization workforce training, African American unemployment and criminal Justice issues. But it was west stream of consciousness speech that drew attention with people on social media and elsewhere. Questioning the president's decision to have this meeting in the aftermath of a natural disaster and others expressing concern our love this guy right here. Let me get this guy. I love this guy right here. Yeah. That's really it wasn't the first time west made headlines with a maga- hat and a pro-trump message just runs there was this post-election visit to Trump Tower. Been friends and after west performed on Saturday Night Live last month, these remarks were captured by former SNL cast member, Chris rock as the credits rolled. To the home. Is he. The Grammy winning rapper has been featuring Trump's image and dropping Trump's name for years. Obama was set missing Trump want approved. It could be president and Trump clearly appreciates the praise cotton here. Powell because you've probably so I double my African American poll numbers. We went eleven to twenty two in one week. Thank you. His friendship with number forty. Five is a far cry from his relations with past presidents after Hurricane Katrina, he slammed President, George W Bush George Bush, doesn't care about black people. I'm really happy for you. I'm let you finish and he earned this criticism from President Obama after stealing the spotlight from Taylor swift at an award show. She was giving her a war. Do that jackass and one more thing we've been wondering all afternoon what the White House's official transcript would look like. Would it be accurate? Would they spell out this where words we heard today? Like the one we had to bleep will we got the transcript last hour and it is accurate, and this is probably a transcript. A lot of journalists are going to be holding onto for posterity, Kate for ever Athena. Thank you. Thanks so much for joining us as c. three sixty starts now. There was no one like Anthony boarding. There was no show parts. Unknown EMMY award winning CNN original series returns for one last ride around the world. Ken to Indonesia to story, Spain. Here we are west Texas to the lowly side. Jerry Anthony, bourdain parts, unknown the final episodes, Sundays at nine on CNN.
AP One Minute Headlines Nov 20 2018 17:00 (EST)
"Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? Yes, enjoy the best of shopping and entertainment movies TV shows using free shipping and much more all included for just forty dollars per line for three lines all on the T mobile network. Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offers subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members at your customers may notice reduce speeds versus some t mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. See store for details and terms and conditions. Trump and Saudis, I'm Tim Maguire with an AP newsmen that President Trump says the CIA never made a definitive determination about who killed Saudi writer and critic Jamal kashogi reporters asked Trump about his decision. Not to take further steps against the Saudi government and crown prince Mohammad bin Salman, following the death of the US base columnists. We're not gonna give up hundreds of billions of dollars at orders and let Russia China and everybody else have them. It's all about for me. Very simple. It's America versus the FDA says people need to avoid. Eating romaine lettuce because of an equal outbreak. That is sick and thirty two peoples in eleven states eighteen people were made sick in Canada, strain is different from one earlier this year similar to one linked to leafy greens last year four people, including two children have been found dead following possible. Arson fire today in a New Jersey mansion the market slide into the red for the year. The Dow lost five hundred fifty one points, NASDAQ down one nineteen and the SNP tumbled forty eight. I'm Tim Maguire. Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? Yes, enjoy the best of shopping and entertainment movies, TV shows music, free shipping and much more all included for just forty dollars per line for three lines all on the T mobile network. Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offer subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members at your customers may notice reduce speeds for some t mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. See store for details and terms and conditions.
LEC Announces Sponsorship from Saudi Arabia's NEOM and Quickly Retracts
"Yesterday you sports again tied into geopolitics partnership be announced and retracted within one day. I'm Madrid and these sports minute presented by sports network. In case you missed it. Here's a rundown, the League of Legends European Championship or C. announced a sponsorship from meal a new futuristic city plan by Saudi. Arabia. Why is a city sponsoring in East sports event? You might ask a great question, but it definitely didn't go as planned because after a day of internal and external outcry riot announced, the sponsorship would be cancelled. So what is NEOM? It's a project from the Saudi, Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salaam, whose goals to build a futuristic mega-city. They'll become a hub for tech in tourism on the coast of the red seat, the project is estimated to cost five, hundred billion dollars. The. Saudi crown prince is a controversial figure for a number of reasons in the West. The murder of Washington Post was Jomo. Kashogi is one of the most notable. The city is also controversial for the displacement of tribe about twenty thousand people currently live in the area of the plan city. The Saudi government has been accused of killing people who speak up about the plans for the new city. Finally. Saudi, Arabia's history of human rights issues. Especially, the people who identify as lgbtq stands in stark contrast to the pride themed logo and the company's statements on inclusivity. Many LGBTQ members of Right Games spoke out about how the sponsorship defies any stay admission to align with the. Lgbtq community that includes many of members of the ilise own commentating staff after a day of outcry which many people inside and outside of Right Games chastised the company for this decision. Right decided to remove the sponsorship. Still plenty of damage has been done a few days ago. Blast premier. A notable cs go competition also signed a sponsorship with NEOM as a recording that sponsorship is still in place. East sports is in a bit of a weird place right now, there's a men's value in reaching the sports, audiences, brains of scene. But that also means the controversial projects like NEOM and military branches like the US Army are also getting involved. On that note today, Congress is voting on a measure to prevent the US Army from recruiting via gaming platforms like twitch. East Sports Leagues and teams don't really make money and there's no doubt that organizations like these have plenty of it. But as a showcase yesterday, these sports audience isn't totally receptive to partners with controversial backgrounds. Still going to be continuing issue as money and controversy seemed go hand in hand. That's all these sports minute as always be back tomorrow at the biggest story of the day in just a few minutes.
NPR News: 09-13-2019 10AM ET
"This message comes from NPR sponsor xfinity. Some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like Xfinity X. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make WIFI simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jeanine herbst. Healthcare was a major issue in last night's twenty twenty Democratic presidential debate in Texas the top ten candidates in polling data squared off at Texas Southern University in Houston in a debate hosted by ABC News and here's Scott horsely has more former former vice president. Joe Biden defended his incremental approach to overhauling health care while leading rivals like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders favor a single payer medicare for all approach approach. Biden prefers to build on the existing affordable care act. I know that the senator says she's for Bernie. I'm for Barack. I think the OBAMACARE Macaire worked. I think the way we add to replace everything that's been cut at a public option guaranteed that everyone will be able to have affordable assurance candidates candidates also mixed it up on prison reform gun control immigration and foreign policy but in a debate that stretched more than two hours. There was not one question about the the economy. Scott horsely. NPR News Washington the trump administration plans to disclose the name of an individual whose identity has long been sought by the families of some of those killed in the September eleventh attacks NPR's Ryan Lucas reports. The person's last name is tied to a lawsuit alleging. The Saudi government played a role in the attacks ax eighteen years ago the FBI and the Justice Department have agreed to release the name of the individual whose identity was redacted from two thousand twelve FBI document on the September knbr eleventh attacks lawyers nine eleven families believed the unnamed individual tasks others to assist some of the future hijackers upon their arrival in the United States the name will be released to the plaintiff's lawyers but not to the public at this time officials say Attorney General William Bar asserted the state secrets privilege over other classified information in the the FBI report sought by the plaintiffs still representatives of the nine eleven families welcomed the decision to disclose the name the Saudi government has denied any role in the September eleventh attacks. Wchs Ryan Lucas NPR news Washington. The Roman Catholic diocese of Rochester New York has filed for bankruptcy. This comes less than one month after dozens dozens of lawsuits were filed against members of its clergy bishops. Salvador McConnell says it was a difficult and painful decision litigation costs and settlements the jury awards will exceed our resources and the diocese will be unable to litigate or settle these these claims the diocese of Rochester is the twentieth nationwide filed for bankruptcy protection because of the decades long child sexual abuse allegations Wall Street is trading in mixed territory at this hour. The Dow is up fifty two points at twenty seven thousand two hundred thirty four the Nasdaq is down five points at eighty one eighty eight the S. and P. Five hundred two point thirty twelve. You're listening to NPR news from Washington. The actress Felicity Huffman will be back in court in Boston today to be sentenced for her role. In a sweeping college admissions bribery scandal the a desperate housewives actress admitted to paying emissions consultant fifteen thousand dollars to have a proctor correct daughters. Sat Test Answers. She pleaded guilty eighty to one count of conspiracy and fraud and may prosecutors want her sentenced to a month in prison. Her lawyers are asking for probation today marks fifty years since the debut of the cartoon character. Scooby Doo on CBS NPR's Andrew Limbaugh reports Warner Brothers is celebrating the day on its lot in Burbank California along along with new merchandise the first episode what a night for night introduced America to the gang of Teenage Anuj detectives and of course scooby himself or something fishy going on in that museum writes the show style of slapstick inspired aspired movies video games snacks vitamins and all sorts of other branding opportunities but the charm of the show still stands. We get it scooby. Doo Way. They didn't even now fifty years later. The gang still continues to solve mysteries and ruined the planes of scheming adults with the show Scooby Doo and guess S. who streaming online Angela Bong. NPR News crude oil prices are trading lower down about three tenths of a percent at fifty four dollars ninety three cents. Barrel Wall Street is still trading mixed territory the Dow up thirty nine Nasdaq down nine. I'm Jeanine herbst and you're listening to N._P._R. News from Washington.
AP Headline News Oct 18 2018 22:00 (EDT)
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Saudi Oil, Iran, and The Abqaiq Attack Professor Joshua Landis The Stock Podcast, Ep.39
"Oh I don't doubt that Iran responsible for the President Ron Ruhani said after President trump scuttled the Iran deal and pulled out of it and began to slap sanctions back very heavy sanctions Eireann bringing Iranian oil exports down on from somewhere around two million barrels day to maybe two hundred thousand barrels a day. Iran said that the President Said said we're not going to allow this to stand if if I if if Iran cannot export will from the Persian Gulf nobody's going to export oil from the Persian Gulf and that meant Saudi Arabia and America's allies. Welcome to the stock podcast the only investing podcast when you get to your interviews with public the company. CEO's CFO's I'm nate Abercrombie the host of the podcast and this is one of those episodes where you don't get to hear an interview with the CEO or CFO folks but that doesn't mean that this interview is any less valuable. I'm super honored to have Dr Joshua Landis back on the program to talk about the recent developments in the Middle East now. If you haven't listened to part one of this really short series I highly encourage you to do so and the first part of this series I talked talked to Mike Rothman so that's episode thirty eight and Mike Describes some of the important dynamics within the global oil market so we're talking about oil oil supply demand and well an extremely important aspect of oil markets which is spare capacity. It's a really interesting conversation and this conversation with Dr. Landis is highly complimentary because in it we talk about the geopolitical backdrop and some of the really important reasons sends why we saw what we saw back on September fourteenth when at least ten drones were flown into the largest oil processing facility in the world and that's the ABC cake processing facility and Saudi Arabia. Mike Rothman described APP cake is one of the most important pieces of real estate that you've never really heard of and this episode you get to hear Dr Landis describe the significance of ABC Ache and well the significance of the oil industry for Saudi Arabia and how that fits into the geopolitical puzzle that is the Middle East because it really is a puzzle before you get to the interview. I asked that you consider supporting the podcast. The stock podcast is a one man show and it's your support that makes this program possible. There are a lot of ways that you could lend some support. Donations donations are most welcome and most meaningful to me personally. All you have to do is check out the donate page on the website at the stock podcast dot com or you could become a patron on patriots so that's P. A. T. R. E. O. N. DOT com another way you could support the programs by subscribing either on the website or on the podcast APP that you use a new way to support the program is by going onto the website and clicking on the brave browser link in the sidebar. If you haven't heard heard about brave you really need to look into it. Brave works and looks just like chrome but there's a privacy element to it and creators are trying to revolutionize digital advertising using through a digital currency called a basic attention token and then finally you can lend some support by spreading the word take a moment to tell somebody who you think might get something out of these types of interviews about the podcast all right. I'll stop there. Let's get to the interview with Dr Joshua Landis the director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma documentaries. It's a real pleasure to have you back on the program. Thank you very much for taking the time time when they need is a real pleasure and thanks for asking you on so with respect to Saudi Arabia and the recent attack on the Processing Facility Ni- I interviewed someone yesterday to talk about things from an oil market perspective and I really wanted to have you on the program to talk about things from a geopolitical perspective and I think the best way to start this out is just to get your take on well. Have you explained who Saudi Arabia's enemies are in the region and just a full game of who could possibly be responsible for the attack that happened on September fourteenth sure Oh. I don't doubt the Iran is responsible for this. The president of Iran Ruhani said after President Trump scuttled the Iran deal and pulled out of it and began to slap sanctions back very heavy sanctions Eireann bringing Iranian oil exports down from somewhere around around two million barrels a day to maybe two hundred thousand barrels a day. Iran said is the president said we're not going to allow this to stand if I if if Iran cannot export oil from the Persian Gulf nobody's going to export oil from the Persian Gulf and that meant Saudi Arabia at America's allies so he's making good on his threat because the demands that the president I mean if you look at it from Iran's point of view which is worth doing for a few seconds. The United States has asked Iran for thirteen things in order to lift sanctions. It's which is almost tantamount to regime change because they demanded not only that Iran comeback and give up permanently any refinement of nuclear fuels but they also asked Iran to stop testing in developing its missile technology. They've asked you ron to withdraw from the Middle East from places like Syria Iraq. Yemen stop supporting his Alan Lebanon all things which Iran has been developing and alliances Iran has been developing to have regional clout and which run seizes uses a fundamental to its national security. Iran's not gonNA do that so Iran sees these demands as tantamount to regime change change and suspects. That's what America really wants and people like Bolton and others who of course I no longer in power but they articulated a very clear earlier line of wanting to carry out regime change so Iran believes that if it caves and begins to make concessions concessions to in the United States they'll never be enough and they'll just be more America will raise the bar and Iran will silently begin to starve to death and if there will be domestic problems because the economy is in shambles. The inflation has been terrible in everything has gone from bad to worse so they believe they have to escalate and that's what they've articulated very clearly that they are going to escalate and they don't know where this is. GonNa lead but America wants to get into a war. They're willing to see it and go for war. And of course it's going to be a lose lose situation but they believed that their chances up success are better through esscalation because they're gambling that president trump will not want to go to war that he will actually stand by his campaign promises which are that. Middle Eastern wars are stupid. An America has been engaged to many and he promised to get America out of stupid Middle Eastern wars and so that's what they're gambling on. Do you think it's a smart gamble from your perspective given the historical context and who knows I mean nobody can and predict what trump is gonna do but and can predict what Saudi Arabia's GonNa do but I do. I do believe it is. It's it's probably the smart gamble why one is that. Saudi Arabia's actually quite weak even though they have sixteens and have fifteen America's good technology with a whack planes American support they could clearly bomb Iran Iran. Iran doesn't really have an Air Force they've got missile tech which they've developed in order to replace an air force to make up for this weakness but they can't buy plans on on the United States. This is a weakness of Iran's but still Iran is a major country of close to ninety million people people. It's got a sophisticated middle class and we've seen them develop. This new technology all kinds of Saudi Arabia is not that kind of a country. It's got a much smaller. The population is about thirty million people and a lot of those are foreign workers so and Saudis are not known for their work ethic for developing high expertise expertise for their universities for any of this stuff so it's Saturday would be very foolish to get into a a real fistfight with Iran Saudi Arabia depends on the United States giving them cover and defending them and Saudi Arabia. Would I love it if United States would go to war against Iran and it could hide behind America's long jacket if you will but it doesn't want to get engaged directly which is precisely why president trump said when he was confronted with this escalating situation after the bombing of update he said well. I'm GonNa talk to the Saudis and see what they want to do and everybody scream bloody murder and said Oh America's turning over its foreign policy to the Saudis but of course America wasn't doing that and he wasn't doing that what he was doing is hiding behind the Saudis and pushing them up front saying if you want war with Iran you need to own it and take charge of it and he knew probably pretty well it. Saudis would never do that because they'd lose so what what he was doing. Basically is finding a way to back out of this esscalation at least for the time being in the same way that President Obama did in two thousand thousand thirteen with the chemical weapons scare in Syria or use of chemical weapons in Syria when Obama pass the buck to the US Congress us and ask the Congress to vote on whether there should be use of force and he knew perfectly well the Republicans would shoot them down and try to handcuff him which they did and they did it to support use of force in Syria and he could turn to the world and sort of say look at my people don't want this and of course he got clobbered for it by the foreign policy elite that all wanted him to go to war in Syria or many of them did but he probably did the wise thing from a public policy point of view and and I think that trump has done the same thing because you know everybody is worried about the world tipping into recession. If we get into a real tit for tat escalation escalation with Iran it means blowing up their oil refineries and they're gonNA hit more Saudi stuff 'cause they're sitting ducks and and pretty soon oil prices will really go up and then where will econo- be it'll be in the doldrums and trump will lose at trump doesn't WANNA lose. He wants to win. He's a winner. At least that's what he thinks and so I think trump making a smart move for himself and probably for the international economy by by trying to to stay out of this escalation on the other hand. I must say a not optimistic because he put more sanctions on Iran which could really lead to a humanitarian crisis in the country and that's going to to force escalation. Iran will have to hit more of those bloody refineries and has shown that it has technology to do it and so I don't see a way out of this yet. There could be some diplomacy but we don't have faith. That trump is a good diplomat He says he's good dealmaking but that's not confirmed through the evidence and his foreign policy team is running on fumes. He's fired Bolton Holton. He's got some they don't. The State Department is demoralized. Our diplomats are demoralized. We don't seem to be have a well greased foreign policy outfit at this point. The president is really paying attention so I'm not sure how we get out of this yeah so going going back to your comment about Obama passing the buck when he made the decision he gave Congress the ability to make the decision about about invading Syria or getting involved in Syria. It's interesting when you think about it in the context of what happened immediately after the attack on advocate because you had pompeo coming out and saying very explicitly was Iran as though they they were saying you know green light Saudi Arabia if you WANNA go out and strike you know we sort of confirmed that or at least we believe that Iran was responsible but put Saudi Arabia didn't come out and explicitly at least initially explicitly say that. Yes we do blame you know. Iran is responsible and we're going to attack attack. It's as though their response has been extremely muted and it has been a muted because they don't want to go to war. They want America to go to War THEY WANNA to make the decision overtly at least not publicly yeah. I'm sure what they're saying to. The Americans is very different than what they're saying in public because they don't want to have a big target on their forehead. If there is esscalation they don't WanNa Handy Iran and easy excuse to demonize demonized Saudi Arabia and to send missiles over there Iran in a sense waiting for this kind of an escalation because they'll hit back I think and Saudi Arabia you know with its left. Hand is goosing American saying you know go get him. Your prestige is hanging by a thread Brad. Nobody's ever GonNa take you seriously or allies. Blah Blah Blah You're the major hegemonic Persian Gulf. That's the way it's been since World War. Two and it's up to you. Everybody's GonNa Laugh at you if you don't do it and and I think president trump is saying look you guys have to pay for this and you have to get out in front. This is your country after all and and I'm sure that they can say well. It's illegal for the United States to attack a country that has not hurt hurt. The United States is after all you know our foreign policy is based on self defense that you can't just invade or attack other countries of bomb other countries unless you've been attacked I and of course Iran is not attack. The United States did attack Saudi Arabia if in fact all the pieces fall together to prove that which which they do but that's the problem you know so America can stand on legal justification of course a lot of people are saying well you you can use the CIA or you can use covert force to attack the Iranians in a way that is denial and you just to play the same Iranian dame as you do it and then you say no it wasn't me and you can't proof s which America do I suppose but of the whole world knows what's is going on and it would get us off in a big problem of escalation but then I my my question is why would and the US come out in so loudly and explicitly say it was Iran and Iran is been you know an enemy to me of the United States and you go out and you say Iran is responsible. I think you probably would garner quite a bit of support domestically. If you were to to attack Iran after you know what's happened over the past couple of weeks and given just sort of the relationship between our country and and Iran at to come out and say you know Iran is responsible it seems like from an outsider looking in to this administration and what they previously we saw about getting involved in another Iran another Middle Eastern war. What why why do that? Why take that step of saying you know it? Was this country tree that was responsible and again. I understand they want to to your point. It makes perfect sense. They want Saudi Arabia to step in and fight or stepping. There really wanted Saudi Arabia to step in and fight. I think that did administrations confused a little bit. I I it's divided. Let me put it that way. POMPEO secretary of state others are you know have demonized Iran and said it's our our our terrible enemy and that they have been beating the drums of escalation but I think the president has let them down in a sense because he's moderated this and he's pulled them back from the brink and came up with Saudi thing of throwing the ball over the Saudis then he went any turn to the United Nations and and we just saw address the United Nations and ask the United Nations that say that Iran is a terrible power and has done this and we have to all ganged tank together against them. Which of course you can look at in two ways one is that he's just passing the buck and he knows the UN's not going to be able to do anything thing because it's very divided and Russia and China will immediately veto it and therefore it's a way to show hydrogen against Iran without actually having to do anything or he actually needs international support which I think he does? The trouble is he's alienated. America's International National Support President mccaw France is trying to run interference and find a diplomatic way out by saying look we'll import Iranian oil and will allow some European countries and others to a quarter line in oil. You could keep the sanctions on but we'll you know we'll take the pressure off by allowing Iran on to get out of some of these sanctions make a little bit of foreign currency stabilize its economy and therefore we can we can put a lid on this escalation escalation situation and begin road towards dialogue and United States said absolutely not we're not. GonNa do that unless Iran it comes to heal on missile technology and other things which Iran said it will not do it wants sanctions lifted hundred percent so we're still far apart hard on the dialogue and trump has turned to both of these exit hatches one does the Saudi government any other as the UN and I think there are a lot of people in his administration and certainly a lot of people in Washington lobbying groups which are pro Saudi and pro Israeli early which are beating the drums of war and suggesting it trying to point the finger directly as possible. Aviron said there will be de-escalation an America will hurt Iran and perhaps blow up their nuclear refinement plants or something else but trump doesn't want to do that so I think we're seeing the product of a divided administration as well as some real confusion amongst American elites over what is the best path forward and that's why you're getting confused policy recommendations yeah what would you think is the best path forward Lord. I don't think we should be war with Iran. It would be very foolish. You know I I must say I was a supporter of the Iran deal. I thought it was an elegant way it not perfect but an elegant way to avoid escalation and war with Iran which is where we were headed and Dan you know President Obama was looking down this road of increasing Iranian refinement and realizing that there will be tremendous pressure the United States to bomb Iran's nuclear refinement industry and that this would lead to an escalation that could easily get out of control and easy to start wars very hard to end a and we're very vulnerable in the laser. We're vulnerable because of Saudi Arabia because of our allies because of so much the world's oil comes out of the Persian Gulf and because because we've got basis in Iraq and other places where Iran is powerful and they can hurt us and we just saw few days ago a bunch of missiles landing close the American Embassy Masih in Baghdad and those were clearly inspired by Iran and and they're letting us know we can hurt you so I I don think Iran showed that it was happy to cooperate with other Arab governments to to allow for the free flow oil out of the Persian Gulf is there was hope of getting rid of sanctions and that is economy would be allowed to prosper but if it's going to be starved to death. It's not going to let that happen. It's GONNA make America pay a price and Saudi Arabia. Pay a price so I think there is a diplomatic way out as each step in this escalation goes on that the window for diplomacy gets narrower narrower and what's the danger is as demonize each other and point the finger more and say these things the ability to climb down is really really limited if you could just talk a little bit more generally about what you've heard and what you've seen relative to know how much the Iranian people are suffering as a result of sanctions when when could that ultimately result in it just so much desperation that they feel like they have to go to war. I mean. Do you feel like that. Were there right now or do you think that it might take another couple of years before that could happen i. I think we're we're playing with fire. Iran is clearly made a decision that they're willing to escalate. They see the economic situation deteriorating pretty rapidly rapidly in their country now they're also playing diplomacy right there working with the Russians who they're fairly close with and they're trying to open the door to China and obviously if you're sitting China's shoes and looking out at this. This looks like a wonderful opportunity. If if the trade war with China goes South and America really decides to do to go Mano Amano with China blocking its industries mysteries raising tariffs more this sort of thing. China can open a door to Iran and try to break that embargo it hasn't done so so far we have begun to see Chinese ships going silent and going dark not using their transponders when they get Niran so it it's you know everybody's everybody's suspecting that Iran breaking embargo at a small level but it could do it at a large level and therefore it could really side against the the United States which would be an easy way to provoke. Ti States enforce the United States into an escalation that it might lose lose in the sense that if it goes to war with Iran and brings more devastation to the Middle East the place you know Saudi Arabia could go up in flames uh-huh if if it if there's if Iran really stuck missiles in every plaisted audible as Saudi Arabia the it would have a devastating effect that government which which is one reason why I think the Saudi government needs to move towards an IPO. It needs to get this shares sold it needs to have a a a smart way to borrow money essentially on international markets by through the stock markets and get people to invest so that even if it ran into a situation where are its annual income from oil collapsed it would be able to survive and borrow money which it hasn't done a very much up until now. I mean Saudi. Arabia is one of the few countries in the world that does not have a major debt load unlike most other countries Yup. I guess it wouldn't be the first time that economic interests from financiers in a different country influence the political situation to get involved in a international conflict to protect those economic interests so if you had a lot of us investors into Aramco and there become some sort of war maybe there would be more leverage on the United States. Yes absolute and the international community. I mean there's a tremendous leverage now. Because of course everybody's worried about their oil supplies allies and if Iran really stops oil from per coming out of the Persian. Oh It's GonNa hurt Europe skirt Japan and they president trump is already play eight on those anxieties and saying you have to join us in our military coalition of course Europeans do not want to do that. They don't WanNa fall behind trump. They don't trust him. He's insulted them. They're they're biting their lips but the economic interest of their countries suggests they should fall line beyond the United States but they don't trust the United States to manage this in a I in a responsible way. That's the problem so where does Saudi Arabia fit into all this obviously they would like to have higher oil prices but let me do you think that there's any I wouldn't say involvement but I I guess if you could just sort of provide or at least frame up the Russian perspective as to what's going going on in the Middle East right now. There are two things one is the Iran is getting more powerful and they if they're let out of sanctions from Saudi Arabian Israeli point of view if Iran led out and sanctions they're going to become wealthier if they can really export oil China and every place else will jump in and we saw on India doing this. All these neighboring countries want to invest billions of dollars in Iran because their oil industry is decrepit inefficient don't they need foreign capital and foreign expertise and everybody wants to be that foreigner who's GonNa make the big bucks and why not so so Iran is hoping that they can get out of these sanctions prosper and they'll become the dominant power the Middle East at one of the dominant powers. We've already seen them extend their influence to Shiites in Yemen in Iraq in Lebanon in Syria and and the Shiites we've got to remember which are important minorities all these countries except for Iraq where there the majority the Shiites have been downtrodden. They've been discriminated against and underserved so they're very hunger hungry for Iranian support. They feel like cities have had their foot on their necks for hundreds of years. Chris and they're looking to anybody who will help them so Iran has tons of leverage with these disadvantage Shiite populations and that's what they're exploiting reading and they're exploiting it to the detriment of the United States which is always sided with us Szenes cities in Turkey the sons in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait the dominant dominance Sidney powers so America's really become an empty. Shiite country only rock did we helped Shiites takeover from Saddam Hussein but many Americans that it was a big mistake because now the Shiites citing Iran. We gave them a big opportunity there but the point is today. America has really put its shoulder older by scuttling the Iran deal you know Obama's logic was Iran. Saudi Arabia have to share the Middle East an America can't make one of them the winner Saudi Arabia the winner because Iran is too powerful therefore we've got to let them find a balance and negotiate this out and better to avoid war this way and have share the Middle East president trump administration said no. That's a bad policy because Iran will be come to powerful which it is becoming coming to powerful that state they complain. They say it's a malignant power. It's evil and needs to be driven out of the Middle East. We're going to support our friends. Were going to hurt our enemies and they doubled down on Saturday at have put the sanctions on Iran. Now Iran is pushing back and the question really is can America follow through with this pro Saudi presenting policy or is it a foolish policy and that's where we are. We're all trying to figure out how bad is it for American interests. If Iran plays a bigger role can Iran be negotiated with and Americans don't agree on this certainly Washington elites. Don't agree on this and that's that's our problem now. Russia's writing this the bank because it allows Russia which is not using using immoral lands in order to make France the Middle East's making friends with the Israelis and with the Syrians with Iran with talking with the Saudis Russia's everywhere everywhere tensions are good for Russia because it means oil prices go up and Russia of course one of the big three oil producers ten million barrels a day and so it's good for Russia now if we look at it from another angle everybody is looking out at the United States which has been extremely disruptive in the oil markets because the reason oil prices are low today is because of the United States and because of fracking has been so successful and so much capitalist porting here Permian Basin and other places and I'm sitting in Oklahoma and you know we can feel that capital title being poured in of course prices are low and so people are still complaining bloody murder by America has poured in over four million barrels a day of of ever more oil into the market and that has kept prices depressed and that is hurting Iran Saudi Arabia and in Russia so they all look at America really as a disruptive force and are trying to figure out how to how to manage this in in in some respects Iran's taking out five million barrels a day and update cutting Saudis Audis exports by half should have driven the markets to the moon but they didn't it made a little dent in the markets but it was nothing like the Iranian revolution or the nineteen seventy-three embargo where prices tripled so the Iran's made against but they didn't make very a big dent because lots of countries have reserves now because of the promise of fracking and we know that here in Oklahoma and Texas. It's the capitalist just sitting there. Waiting for back in there will be tons more oil brought online quickly if the prices remain in high so the markets are factoring all that in and that's why we didn't really get a big disruption incumbent. I'm sure you're upset. There's like stopping their foot. Saying why the Hell we just took out five million barrels a day and and the the markets went up but nothing they're going back down again yeah so so that's that's the that's the problem for Iran. They're going to really have to escalate much more if they're going to throw the international community and to a real tailspin and get a real fear of keeping the world into recession which is what they need in order to gain leverage at so you know. America can manage this. That's what America's thinking is. We can manage that. I'm trips with President. Trump is thinking. We don't want to send oil prices too high. It'll cause recession and so everybody his tiptoeing around in this new situation now. Let me address one more question here because everybody you know so. Many people in the United States are saying. Why the hell are we in the Persian Gulf. We don't need their oil. Why would we get escalating with Iran over oil. Why are we so tied into a Saudi monarchy that seems in many ways so retrograde fighting this big war in Yemen and chopping up people like cokie well it's because we got her hand in big in the Gulf. We Are you know if you look at it. From American strategic twenty few we're the hegemony in the Persian Gulf. Fifty percent of known reserves are under the Gulf. Most the exports of oil are coming out of the Gulf for the international community. If you can control that will you can hurt your enemies a China anybody else. If if China were to really try to oppose the United States take Taiwan really throw his weight around in in the East America could shut off its oil and that would bring China to its knees and China understands that if America withdraws from the Persian Gulf who's going to replace it. That's the question I think that's on the minds of many strategists in Washington. If China replaces IT IF RUSSIA REPLACES IT and begins to form alliances with Saudi Arabia and Iran in a in a very meaningful way that's going to change Asia World War three if we want to put it in such stark terms no America's one World War Two because as we were able to deny oil to the Nazis they lost at Stalingrad when they were making a drive to the Caspian Sea and to get Russian oil and they lost at El Alamein when Rommel and his desert wraps were making a drive towards the Suez Canal to choke off off British soil which all came from Iran through the Suez Canal those with a pincer movement the the hinge of fate as Churchill called it. Those two battles fought simultaneously Danish -Ly Stalingrad Alamein Germany lost both of them it was denied access to oil and its star plummeted and ran out of you know the the the it's Panzer units as air force ran out of gas at America understood after that if you want to win World War three you got to control energy yeah and it's it's been organized to try to get control of energy ever since that's why we've been in all these stupid wars in the Middle East and we support in Saudi Arabia even though at times it seems completely ridiculous country to support but our hands are tied. We've got golden handcuffs on and is costing us more and more and more to try to keep control of this and possibly a war with Iran which would break our backs and and that's it you know but how much how much money will America spend in order to remain the dominant superpower in the world. That's really the question. Genet is being begged in all this escalation. How much do Americans want to be the superpower that can call the shots and to what extent does it trust the other countries of the world to retreat from position and from the Persian Gulf and allow China and Russia and others Iran to emerge India to emerge as if not coequal at least with a lot more authority over international national peace who gets away who does not get oil and those questions are the big questions that are on the table today it seems to me through the installation and and and and so America really has to figure out what it what role is GonNa be in the world going forward. And how much money can it really afford to spend in order to preserve that supremacy yeah. I I actually am shocked. It didn't surprised at my own sort of lack of of insight into the dynamic that you just described with spectrum war and oil and you know I think a lot of people lose sight of that fact and forget history in so we do and we think we think that we we forget that. The world runs still in oil. We all talk about renewables electricity solar power all these new technologies which are extremely important and are coming on very quickly but we forget our dependency on oil the world demand for oil. Oh increases by between a million and a half to two million barrels a year. That's the expansion rate yeah of course it depends on on the growth in the world economy and all these other things is you'll know only too well but we're adding a billion people additional people able to the Earth every twelve years and they all want to drive cars. They all want big houses. They all want to eat meat all these things which we know require tons of energy in order to acquire and everybody's getting into the middle class not everybody but the hundreds of millions of New People are getting to the middle thanks to China China. The success of countries like India Turkey South Africa Brazil tons of countries are doing pretty damn well now. There's a lot of countries that are not doing well. You're falling and pieces at the bottom of this sort of Darwinian hunt for middle class but China and India loaner just chucking up hundreds of millions of new middle class last people all of whom wanted to live in Nice houses drive to cars you know send their kids to Harvard and eat beef and so that that requires lots of energy so I don't see ev replaceable renewables and all that really making giant dent in our consumption assumption of a will even if we get great growth of those industries still be tremendous desire to consume moyal and that's you know that's good news for Saudi Arabia and Iran and for Oklahoma Texas but it's it's obviously honestly very dangerous for the future of our planet and it means that the United States can give up. It's alliance with Saudi Arabia easily and that's what it really means. We're we've got these golden handcuffs on and we we really have to figure out what our priorities are in. Maybe we can step back from Saudi Arabia but of course that means other countries are going to step in and and we know that China you know they put their first first aircraft carrier in the oceans just several years ago but they've got clans to get a lot more in the ocean there revving up their military expenditures so even though the United States spends more than X. Ten countries combined. That's not going to be the case for much longer and it's it's going to break our back financially unless we do something about it because we can't continue to do that. Yeah it's funny. It's almost as though you heard the interview that I had with Mike Ross ben yesterday yesterday he with respect to ease and solar and renewable energy and there is this I mean he sees it every day because he's speaking to investors and portfolio managers there's analysts market commentators and he hears the exact same thing that there's just this lack of appetite to invest anything that has to do with hydrocarbons because there's this perception that renewable energies here and it's going to completely displace hydrocarbons in the in the very very near future which to make that transition. It's just it's hard to understand that investors. Who are there's a lot of smart people out there but for so many people who are involved in the energy markets who invest in whether it's futures are the equities to just say a well. You know I have no interest now because I think renewables are going to be here tomorrow. It's hard to believe that they can make that they can jump to that conclusion and and just acknowledgeable thinking yes wishful thinking in it you know. I think people close your eyes to the fact that there are just so many more people on the earth all the time the population explosion. We've gotten our hands on it. I you know we've got an control of it in Europe and the United States and many other developed countries who who got negative growth but so much the world is still coming out babies and and it's not just population growth. It's because people are beginning to get into the middle class. These buttons waves New People are getting into middle class and of course they all want now. Look at me. I live in a house. That's three thousand plus square feet. I've got two cars. What what do I really do you know I don't buy things with plastic on them anymore and I try little corners but basically my footprint imprint is here to stay. I'M NOT GONNA change the way. My House is heated and the car I will if the price is really change range yeah as long as I can avoid it. I'M NOT GONNA pay that extra expense and nasty. That's the terrible dilemma. The world is really locked in to this oil economy and it's very hard to change it. We can tweak it around the edges but so many things run on fuel and we're not going to replace them anytime soon yeah am. I hope Greta. Thornburgh doesn't listen to this interview. Maybe it'll I oh she does. I hope she gave convinces all dopes. I dope like me to get off my butt and to do something radical because otherwise we're GONNA burn up here and and Yeah I fortunately I've got a house in Vermont and I always tell myself. It's high in the mountains. You know that when the oceans begin to lap up over New York I got someplace to go and when it gets too hot here in Oklahoma and the giant mosquitoes and other things begin to just suck my blood out and I'm in the tropics that I I've got someplace to go. That's not really a strategy yeah so I will ask you to hedge your bets just a little bit here and a a. No that you've provided a really good case for Iran Iran as to responsibility but who else could just in terms of you know. If you put you know half chips on black or I guess it it would be a number in this case because there might be a number of different parties responsible for the attack on advocate. Who else in the region has something to gain from. I can't see I can't see anybody else. Being really behind US I can see Iraqi pro-iranian militias in Iraq having aided and perhaps launch some of these things from southern Iraq which is one of the possible sites or from Yemen. I mean it could be that the Iranians tim set up shop in in Yemen and had sent them there but of course we know there are a lot of reasons to doubt this actually and to think that it came from southern Iran or possibly from from water based on in the Persian Gulf but it hits your on your on said they would do it. They promised that they would escalate late. They have the technology and very smug of course denying it because they don't want to just put a big target on their four hundred. Make it too easy for the United States this but this is a this is an escalation over just what we think it is. I I'm convinced of it. Look we supply Saudi Arabia with their arms all their technology and we have experts were sitting there telling them how to use it and they're bombing the hell out of Yemen. They're killing tens of thousands of people starving anymore with American technology. We're helping Israel with stuxnet. We're doing. We're torturing Iran and twenty thousand in ways. We're at war with Iran. Iran seizes at war with them. We're starving there. People and this is the United States doing it of course America's Says No. We're not and it's all your fault because you've got a bad government and you're an evil power and your malignant and you do these thrusting things in the Middle East and you shouldn't be there and we demonize them and so we claim that we're on the side of the angels and this is about human rights promotion and so forth but from Iran in point of view that's hogwash and America's just throwing its weight around and starving Iranian people so Iran is GonNa play the the same game and it's GonNa Escalate. It's GONNA hide behind anything that can hide behind but we're in a war with Iran. I think that's the only way to look at it and we're in the middle middle of this war and it's not being fault conventional terms with armies. You know battering against each other but it is being fought. Yeah Yeah just saw an and and I think that it's maybe just the overall media his way of saying you know sort of painting a little bit of obscurity purity into the whole debate but who's an article in the Wall Street Journal that said that there's ninety five countries today that have military drones which to me was surprising and made me think okay well. It could be any number of countries but I think you provide a really good explanation as to who really benefits from something like aac bombing uptake which man it's depressing in. I'll I'll tell you this this. This whole conversation has been pretty somber. We've talked about world war three future esscalation again. I guess I'm a I don't want you to where we are stuck in this in this Manno Amana with Iran and we've got ourselves into it right. We decided to unplug the nuclear agreement that was going to see a de escalation of hostilities. What is between the two countries that was. GonNa see Iran's sanctions being lifted Iran had promised for fifteen years not to refine and it had allowed indefinitely for a very tight observation. UN Observer regime where we would know just when they began to change policies and refine more so it would have given us a lot of advanced warning even after Iran was permitted to begin refining again and in many ways this was a way to feel our way towards some kind of diplomatic sharing of power re-balancing of power our Middle East that would bring your on into the international community at an. I'm convinced that had Iran had fifteen years to normalize is with the international banking system setup all kinds of relationships with Europeans Indians Chinese Americans Americans. They would not want to unravel at by going to war in the region if any country has if we have the hope hope of changing any country through economic development for bringing a middle-class into sort of abortion. Wa Aw sensibility I think Iran is the country that would do that even before China and others why because so many rhymes are educated in the West Iranians looked to the west they play Western music. They love Western dance they they are in Bien their Indo European language there you know when they say brother they say broader when they say daughter they oughta they that language is related to English there in theory the ethnically related to Europeans so they look to Europe they look to the West they don't look to the east are we're forcing seen them to look to the east and I think that pursuing a policy of engagement integrating them into the international banking system and into the capitalist world is the safest and surest way to get this Malaga Doug regime this Islamic republic to moderate and perhaps eventually go the way of the Soviet Union and to really break account of this theocratic government that America disdain so much but lobbying interested in the US will never let that happen. I don't know if it's never they certainly are dead set against it right now. There are a lot of interest in feary Ron and they have reason to fear Iran because Iran is challenging them but but that's the kind of thing you have to move forward with baby steps and hope that everybody moves along and becomes convinced. There's a better way than war yeah. So what have you been up to over the past years since I spoke to you at least through the podcast ass last you were in Italy for a while doing research in. Are you back in Norman now yes. I'm in the United States and I've been you know as always I've been working on Syria. Everybody's concerned about the post Syrian situation many the politics of the United States are very anti-government the government in Syria and quite pro building up a US headquarters in northern Syria northeastern Syria where the Kurds live and staying there for a long time. There's a lot of pressure in Washington. Allow the lobby groups think it's in America's interest to remain in northern Syria and to help the Kurds. I think that's a fool's errand for the long term. I think it's it's laudable to help the Kurds and a humanitarian you we know you can make a very good humanitarian argument for America helping an independent government Syria but I think that in the end Americans will get the American public will get tired of it. The neighbors will make a lot of trouble for the United States both Turkey and Syria Iran so forth and they'll begin to torture sure the Americans and the Kurds and this will become a situation. Perhaps not unlike what we're seeing in Afghanistan today where we're trying to support a government that needs are endless. Silas subsidies air force and and power in order to survive. I think is going to get America in over its head ahead in another. Middle Eastern Region and and I think America needs to withdraw from some of these commitments are at least downsized them because we're spending too much money. That's what it comes down to I. I didn't realize that the one of the big issues in Syria today is American support of of the Kurds. I didn't realize that is something that I thought that they were already sort of sort of tossed to the wayside and nobody really America's supporting America cut has carved out thirty percent of Syrian territory in the northeast above the afraid as river that is supported by a military very group called the Syrian democratic forces now it's named by the United States. That's not something that they salon name. They selected for themselves America of course put in democracy even though it is not a democracy but it is you know America's pumping in a bit of money employing thirty forty thousand locals in order to arm them and train them and be a militia. Turkey is apoplectic about this because of course supporting Kurds and Turks very worried that is Kurds are going to become cessionist and perhaps join in military operations against the government so we we've alienated Turkeys through this process but it gives us a footprint print. We've got about thirteen fourteen military bases up there in northern Syria now with some air ability and it it allows us to project power to hurt Russia hurt Iran and that's what we're trying to do there in order to help our allies Saudi Arabia and Israel who do not like Mike Iran and want to see the Russian footprint as small as it can be in the Middle East so that's we we we had a big position. There and most of Syria's oil is in this thirty percent that America owns much of its water is the phrase river as well as most of its best agricultural land so we really have Syrian government by the scruff of its neck if you will and we can apply pressure so that's leverage and and we've got them under tremendous Indus sanctions so the the Syrian people are living in real deprivation and I guess the American government is hoping that the Syrian people will rise his op overthrow Assad. I can't see that happening. I think this is complete a fantasy because after eight years of Carol Civil War the government has one one and I don't think added economic pressure is going to change that situation but that's that's the the standoff. Syrian people are suffering terribly and so is the Syrian government's because it has to try to put its house back together yet and it's going to find it almost impossible to do it and that's why there's a lot of resistance as we'll see in the Gulf with Iran because Iran is in a similar situation under terrible sanctions and it's GonNa fight back yeah and what about Iraq has Iraq the Iraqi Kurds have they. They've been silent for me. You know I haven't seen any headlines around. Hey Barzani or any of those folks up in in in the Kurdish well the Kurds Iraq have been chastened because when America turned on hi SIS and decided to swing back in the Middle East and rearm send troops into Iraq after Isis had swept in two thousand fourteen and conquered conquered a big hunk of Iraq all the Sunday parts basically foul to isis without a shot fire because as Sydney's were gambling that Isis would you better for them than the Shiite dominated government in Baghdad that was American supported and this shows the depth of the ethnic and religious animosities Iraq and the Kurds thought that it could a slight this anti isis effort because they were getting arms that were getting support from the US government and they took the fight to isis along with the Iraqi government in Baghdad but when the fight was over the Kurds who had been in a much-improved position because of taking hunts of Isis Control Iraq and Kirkuk. They're big oil capital. The Kurds thought that they could make a push for independence and they had a referendum and they were on a drive for independence but the United States was not going to back them up and and defy the own that the constitution and it had helped to right at the beginning of the Iraqi occupation and Baghdad the government in Baghdad Egg Dad had also become much stronger and the the Iraqi army had become much stronger because of the help from the United States and it just saw the Kurds trying to break away way it marched into Karkouk it grabbed the entire city kicked the Kurds out the Kurdish militias and really put paid to any effort by the Kurds the Kurds were limited. They blamed America for not swinging in supporting them which America said it would not due to begin with but that didn't stop them from blaming the United States and so they're very chastened their their chances for independence really went down in flames at that moment because they don't own Kirkuk which is a royal important nexus. They're not as rich as they thought they would be and they depend on the central government of Iraq for oil royal revenues and that has made them incapable of really breaking away and setting up shop themselves so they've been chasing and they're dependent once again on Baghdad and to a certain degree their neighbors Turkey United States so forth had such a sad situations nations had story well but it's balance of power the Turks the Kurds you know got a little bit above themselves and start punching above of their way thinking that America might back them up in America wasn't going to do that which I think was wise and the Kurds still have an entr incredible amount of autonomy Konami. They have a pretty good deal. They don't most Kurds in northern Iraq. Don't speak Arabic anymore. They speak Kurdish in their schools. The Iraqi army can't go into northern Syria northern Iraq if they have their own peshmerga their own militia. They have their own flag. They have their own governments. They have their own schools language wage so they have an incredible amount of a ton of me. They just don't have independence yeah well. Thanks for that. I didn't realize that what's going on and and and this is supposed to be out Saudi Arabian uptake but I really do appreciate the background there and one more thing Do you have any hope but going back to Syria anytime soon anytime in the do I do. I haven't been to Syria since the civil war. I really burnt my relations with the Syrian government early on because once the Syrian government began to use fixed wing airplanes I got swept up in the emotions oceans of the time and sort of an recommended that the US provide anti-aircraft missiles to the opposition opposition which just infuriated the Syrian government they get a special TV show about how Israeli spy in an enemy of Syria and this yes. I'm persona non grata there and I'm hoping that time I will be able to go back and I haven't applied reviews us. Why don't really know the situation but that's that's the you know that's. That's my record there so I'm I have to sit up traipse delicately through this this land mine of politics yeah wow so. What else are you working on right now. Wow that you'd like to share with with listeners or anybody that follows you. We'll frankly I'm trying to get my department here to move towards this kind of energy energy to hire somebody. We're looking for somebody who can do energy politics not only in the Middle East but on a larger scale and teach classes assist to our to our students I I'm in College of International Studies and I think it's very important. University of Oklahoma has one of the best I engineering departments trillium engineering departments we have tons of expertise in the scientific acts of energy but we don't have have a lot of expertise in the geopolitics of energy we have some but it would be really smart of our college to move in that direction and be able to offer oil companies and others away to look at this larger picture of geo-strategy just to sort of pitcher. I've been painting for you in the last conversation and I think it's very important. It's hard to politically to manage it because we're sitting in an oil state. The thought that we would hire somebody that would criticize big oil. I think a lot of our donors would be look frown upon on the other hand a lot of the oil accompanies understand that all this alternatives have to come in and that they need to sit down and think about it in intelligent ways and and get some good academic advice advice but you have to tread a delicately between you know a sort of young people like the Gret as of this world who may take on much to anti big oil outlook on the world and the oil companies which can often shoot themselves in the foot by just being obstructionist actionist and and that's that's the challenge is how to find a dialogue that can bring both sides this debate to the table to to really air important important decisions that America has to make over the next few decades and the world yeah well. Let me know when you guys start taking applications as long as I get free tickets to every game every football game about through my hanging down here soon yeah would love to be down there again soon just last question where where are we headed. I think that there's a lot of people who would like to give their two cents as to where things are going both in the Middle East and the United States relative to oil markets but just the geopolitical go situation. I I'd love to get your thoughts on just where you think we're headed the big picture you know. I I hope I think that only league governments can pull back from what I see as a headlong rush towards global warming and it's going to require breaking some real eggs eggs and that is going to require governments to get behind it in a fairly radical way. I believe that things are changing so rapidly. If if you you read about ice melts rising temperatures in the ocean and so forth it's quite scary very concerning and I think we need to move in that direction. We're not doing it now. I understand that it's going to cause a lot of pain to a lot of industries because it means tons more regulation you know all these things that are are painful and and change who gets to make money so but I think that's an important thing. It's it's a con us. The international community has to do what it can and we all need to change our habits which is so difficult to do yeah yeah thank you very much. Dr Landis. I really do appreciate you taking the time to speak with me once again and talk about some really critical issues that are affecting well that could affect everyone everyone across the globe especially higher oil prices and potentially war and more conflict in the Middle East so to get your insight is is always extremely valuable and I really appreciate you taking the time. Well thank you nate and thank you for such a good show that really deals with big questions and gets down onto weeds the same time. I think for that take care of until next time. Thank you bye-bye well. That's IT folks folks. I really hope you enjoyed the interview. I really hope you enjoyed this series on quilt the oil market ABC big Middle East supply and demand spare capacity acidy. I mean there's a lot of stuff that we covered and I really hope that it's helpful to your investment process. I can't say thanks enough to Dr Joshua Landis. He's a brilliant professor academically Damaclean. He was one of my mentors. He's a personal friend and I'm super grateful for him to take the time to come on to the podcast also a big thanks to Dan Heim Mike. Dan Hind gave me permission to use his music. So if you like what you hear you should check it out so that's Dan Heim D. a. n. h. e. i. m. and just a few more things before. I end it. 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Saudi Arabia & The Paradox of Plenty
"This week marks in interesting anniversary. It's the anniversary of an event that changed the course of a country and of the entire global economy because it was this week back in nineteen thirty three that a team of American geologist from standard oil company in California arrived on the shore of a sparsely populated pretty broke country at the time called Saudi Arabia. What would Saudi Arabia be without oil. It would be, you know, a sandy nomadic culture. Oil, everything you see in the country had happened because of the presence of oil and the money that that has brought it like you. There's no way to overstate that. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm card of course, and I'm Stacey Vanik Smith this week in economic history, Saudi oil with the team of geologists found and how a change the economy of a country and the global economy for better and for worse. This desert barren of natural resources to the outward. I had been blessed by nature beyond the wildest dreams of those who raided and struggled for life across the sandy. Windswept wait. Support for NPR and the following message come from Stitcher. The dream is a new podcast about the world of pyramid selling, and multilevel marketing find out how these businesses recruit their members, how they work and how they can go horribly wrong. Listen to the dream and your favorite podcast app support also comes from swell investing and impact investing platform, invest in high growth companies of the future, innovating in clean water, renewable energy, and medical breakthroughs claim. A fifty dollar bonus through swell investing dot com. Slash indicator indicator is two trillion dollars that is yesterday did value of Saudi, Aramco. The Saudi state owned oil company. Oil in commercial quantities have been brought in after three longest gurjin years. Aramco was founded as a partnership between Saudi Arabia and the American company. Standard oil highlight used to stand for the Arabian America. Oil company. Samantha gross is a fellow in energy and foreign policy at the Brookings Institution. Standard oil made this deal with the Saudi government. It said to the government, hey, give us the rights to any oil we find and we'll pay you about four million dollars. That's in today's money, which is like what they make in fifteen minutes. That much, you know, but it said it would give them that amount of money up front. And then we'll also give you a steady income from oil money itself. About a decade later, it became clear that Saudi Arabia was not just your run of the mill oil producer, though its oil resources were really something special. First of all, it had a ton of oil like an ocean of oil, but also it was really, really easy to get that oil out of the ground. That thing that's really special about it. How easy and inexpensive it is to produce the actual cost of producing Saudi oil is somewhat of a state secret. But I mean, we guess that it's under ten dollars a barrel to produce maybe a lot under ten dollars girl for two Purdue. By contrast, it costs fracking operations in the United States, roughly twenty five dollars to get a barrel oil out of the ground, the cheapness of getting Saudi oil out of the ground has been crazy money for Aramco. For instance, oil is about eighty dollars. Errol right now. So if Saudi can get its oil out of the ground for less than ten bucks a barrel that is just a huge profit on every bale of oil. Many of those barrels come from this famous oilfield in Saudi Arabia called the Gawar oilfield huge. It's the largest allergic conventional oil field that been discovered. On earth, yes, to styles plus square miles of oilfield that is bigger than Delaware and Rhode Island. So by nineteen eighty, the Saudi government was fully aware of this amazing oil resource it was sitting on and it was like, why are we still partnering with these American jokers and took control of Aramco Saudi, Aramco is now thought to be the biggest company in the world bigger than apple bigger than Google combined combined to combine them. In other words, Saturday Remco has brought quite a bit of wealth into the country. American venture capital is developing new standards of life in an ancient rail. And you see incredible abundance coming out of the desert. You see Leeming office towers in downtown Riyadh and armies of guest workers who were there to help her in the Konami to move Saudis around and run their businesses. Just none of that would be there without well for you. Are you. Pioneering a new frontier of progress in economics, though there's this thing called the resource curse or the paradox of plenty, which I liked because of the alliteration. And the idea is that you have this amazing gift this God given source of income and wealth, and that is amazing, but it can cause certain problems. The biggest of which is that the country can become enormously dependent on that one resource and not develop the other parts of its economy because it doesn't make sense in a given moment to invest in anything else other than that super profitable resource that's already right there. And so as a result, often countries with major resources and having less economic development than countries that were not blessed in the same way. I mean, sort of like winning the lottery, I guess it's exactly like winning the lottery, particularly if you won the lottery and then you know, at some point you run out of money, you've spent it all and you. Need a new plan. The oil business is by far the biggest part of Saudi Arabia's economy. The country doesn't do a whole lot else. It hasn't really developed an entrepreneurial culture because what's the point? Everybody has enough with just the oil an economically. This plan is fine. Tokay songs that sweet oil money keeps coming as long as that's sweet. Oil train keeps coming down the tracks, but you know, there's always an except day Newmont. Exactly because I mean, first of all wheel is just not the business that it used to be fracking has become widespread in the US and now the US can produce as much oil as it wants. It is of course way more expensive than Saudi oil. But it also means that Saudi Arabia can't control the global oil supply like it used to there. Also technologies moving away from oil, electric cars, solar power. Other forms of energy are still pretty new, but like in fifty years, they won't be new and there's a pretty good chance that the demand for oil will start declining. As technology continues to evolve. And well, this is happening. Saudi Arabia has gotten very used to spending. It's crazy oil profits with Bandon. Saudi Arabia has grown into something of a welfare state power water and gas, or hugely subsidised for its population. And most of the country works for the government. These famously cushy high paying jobs and pay for this Saudi Arabia's bowed tons of money against intimidated oil profits and sometimes borrows too much, especially when the price of oil goes down all this means that the long term money situation for Saudi Arabia is not looking to sustainable, something has to change Saudi Arabia's crown prince. Mohammad bin Salman says he's committed to breaking the resource curse and to diversifying the Saudi economy, the country even announced plans to start selling shares in Saudi, Aramco, and go public. People got really excited about this because this was going to be v. biggest initial public offering in history via lot. Yeah, all the stock exchanges around the world were competing for it. And the idea was that Saudi Arabia would sell stock to investors. Raise a ton of money and then use that money to kickstart other industries in the country, like tech and manufacturing like that may be on ice right now. Why is that? Why is it on ice the Saudi Royal family and particularly King Solomon has decided to put it on hold because I don't think they were crazy about the level of transplant is it would have been required those pesky shareholders think they own the place. Yeah. And if they do you, you have to tell them things, you know, they understand what it is that they own. When company goes public, it has to open up its books to regulators and shareholders, Saudi, Aramco bankrolls the Saudi Royal family, literally thousands of princes and their wives and their children, and suddenly all of their private jets palaces and shopping sprees would be exposed to investor scrutiny away. This is related to the resource curses. Well, because the resource curse tends to concentrate power and wealth in the hands of a few. And that can often lead those few. To spend money and resources in ways that are not always in the public interest because spending with the Bandon is a hard habit to bring oil. One of the material that as making cruelly great contribution to our modern civilization.
Saudi Arabia wants to be a tourist spot
"The world is supported by legalzoom for those wanting to start a business or secure their family's future from wills and trusts to LLC's and trademarks legalzoom is committed to helping people get started Beagles, zoom dot com slash world. Who needs a vacation today on the world? I'm Carol hills. Saudi Arabia wants to be a tourist destination. Some reputations are hard to shake. It's been a rather difficult country to visit also Canada's Prime Minister faces scandal and shrinking support will explain what happened to the once glowing image of Justin Trudeau and a Syrian man describes how war affected the children in his hometown. For me. They have more knowledge than any other kids that I have met because they've witnessed that war. Plus the world of tennis is debating fairness in the status of transgender athletes. Look, I love men's tennis, women's tennis. But they're not necessarily the same thing. Those stories ahead on the world. I'm Carol hills. This is the world Saudi Arabia has been getting a lot of negative Presley the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi back in October continues to hang over the kingdom's reputation. And then came the arrests of women's rights activists, and the story of RAF Muhammed, the young Saudi woman who fled her abusive family, all this doesn't make a strong case to visit Saudi Arabia for fun. But the kingdom wants you to come like on a vacation seriously crown prince, Mohammad bin Salman himself has said he wants the kingdom to be a terrorist magnet. And he's unveiled projects that include theme. Parks cinemas and a futuristic city run by robots will it work the world shirt. Jafari reports from Saudi Arabia. The beach isn't exactly the image that pops into mind when you think of Saudi Arabia, but hop on a plane and fly two hours the of the capital Riyadh, and you're in Jeddah. Port city on the Red Sea. At the heart of Jeddah is but locals called the up violet or the town picture narrow cobblestone alleys old houses, but wouldn't shutters and courts passing by carrying heaps affect tomatoes. This is where I mean, come on a young Phoebe league guy who shows to receive around in Jeddah. So he's in a white mole ton miss an a traditional had that's kind of like a turban. We start off in the old town trailed by my ever present government minder the Saudi government assigns minors to all for joining us to make sure we don't report on anything too sensitive. We are in front of a thieves house. One of the biggest how Kamal was born in the old time comedy has been here for generations. So this is personal to hit his a software engineer, but he does this on the side. You know, a lot of people they finish the job this stay at home, or they will go with their friend the gathered I live in. He wouldn't have finished my job. I just come in here for me. Like, maybe in timeless fashion the faithful make their way to mecca from all over the Muslim world has always drawn tourists. It's gateway to two of his holiest sites. Mecca and Medina. So Muslims have to come here for poker. Mitch traders and pilgrims from all around the globe have descended on this town. They used to come on ships. And they brought with them their food culture and languages. That's why you find a Chinatown here dumplings favorite street food, and for a long time to sow the government was satisfied that the money it made from religious tourism. And it had a ton of oil revenue that was enough. I mean, historically Saudi Arabia has been a relatively isolated country. Kristen demon is with the Arab Gulf states institute in Washington DC. See I mean, of course, it's quite connected to the global economy. But in terms of being welcoming to have people come in to sort of visit it's it's been a rather difficult country to visit segregation of men and women in public ban on alcohol. Strict rules on how women dress all that didn't exactly scream summer vacation to most visitors. But now the Saudi government wants tours to it knows it can't rely on oil revenues forever. So Q ads like this one featuring super friendly locals in sun-drenched locations. Think of it at the Saudi version of his sandals resort app district place, the bikinis and shorts bit long robes. No couples cuddling a no Margaritas. And so I think they had been doing a lot in the last couple of years to try to present different image about Saudi Arabia one that is more youthful and more open and engaging. The colors. The twenty something probably explains that the Saudis have managed to get several of the historic sites on the UNESCO world heritage this. They've also been working to make it easier for foreigners to get tourist visas. The government has promised scholarships to Saudis looking to study tourism. And I'm thinking that's nice and all but can Saudi Arabia really attract tourists when he has such an abysmal human rights record with people look past the murder and dismemberment of Jamal a shock. Gee, I can't ask Kemmel the minder is right there. But a few minutes later, I get a rare chance. Become across a group of men sitting in a circle enjoying their afternoon tea. Among them is solemn. Of course, she a seventy two year old retired civil servant his says Miami for a few years. So did his four sons. They get them. Degrees from there. Says he comes here, but his friends every day. So what did you guys talk about? I asked. I think the US government shutdown Trump's while Saudi politics. I look around the mind there is a few feet away side, take a chance, I mumble. Would you think about what happened to Jomo Horak? Why are you talking about? Why? It's a small problem. The way our Cora, she sees it. The hustle case was played up by Saudis rivals Turkey on the putter. Does he think visitors will come? But. Really? To ask him more about her shop, but the mind there is heading off. So instead, I never say thank him a move on. Kristen div, one of the Arab Gulf states institute in Washington DC thinks the recent events are a real problem for the kingdom both the killing of Jamaica Shoji and also the arrest and alleged torture woman activists that completely runs counter to the the new image that they were trying to project at the same time. She says Saudi Arabia's reputation as a place where to restore go might actually work in their favor. The selling point for Saudi Arabia will be that it's a new site, and that it will bring in some of those people that are curious to see a country that hasn't been visited as much and to see new sites that haven't been developed for now even thinks the government's target is Saudis themselves, many gong, wake ation abroad, and the government wants them to spend that money here at home. As we go along. I spot a group of Chinese visitors. They're the only tourists of C so far this is the gift of Medina. Come on up to mystic his tourist Woolcott. Woolcott? And when they do he says he'll be here to show them around. Right now for the world sharing Jafari Jetta. Next week Sharon's reporting on Saudi Arabia's changing culture continues with a look at how one woman is trying to normalize cycling for women in public. Sports like cycling, just you need to have a brief hard for the first time. You just have to go private undo with. Let's next week here on the show, and you can find all shrimps stories at the world dot org. One of the Catholic churches most senior cardinals and one of the four men who organized this week's Vatican summit on clergy sexual abuse has admitted that he could have handled abuse allegations brought to him better and faster Oswald. Gracieuse the archbishop of Mumbai in India spoke following a BBC investigation. It revealed claims he did not handle allegations of sexual abuse appropriately. And in one case of alleged child abuse did not alert the police Priyanka potluck reports. Archbishop cross. Yes, is benef- as most prominent Catholics and some believe could be the next folk, but we've been told if a culture of silence facing victims reporting abuse in Mumbai Scotla community our investigation found that in two cases, the Bishop did not promptly or properly investigate claims of abuse. The story begins here in Mumbai in two thousand fifteen when the parents of an allegedly raped child desperately trying to reach senior coach officials. He said the priest has done things to me after two days of calling his office. David granted, a brief meeting. I meet the parents in an empty chapel surrounded by their faith as a mother weeps. But they, but they say Kiai. Oh, him everything that the priest had done to my child. I said my child is in a lot of pain. I came to him the great expectation of hope and Justice. But he said, I don't have time. I have to go through at the meeting. The cardinal said it seemed to be a police matter under Indian law any allegation of sexual offence against a child has to be reported to the police, but he never personally made the call and neither did anyone from the church. Instead, the priest was arrested two days later after the parents sought medical attention and went to the police themselves. He's now in trial after putting our investigation's findings to him the cardinal agreed to an interview we meet at his own h residents the same place as by the parents say they begged him for help by first concern was shopped CS matter we might have to go to the police and. Immediately the metric day after the day wanted the pre step suspending you. Would you think that it was? It was a mistake to not alert. The police yourself. On beyond this one hundred percent. Sure must reflect on that. I meet with the police. Shred ought to be informed show. Said he ran from Rome the day after meeting and was stalled by his Bishop that the family had already informed the police that night the family say they asked for medical help something the cardinals strenuously denies. Leg ashamed if we did not get medical aid. If she wanted to give everybody medical aid. I'm not to give a child who said he was the priest would be indefens- move for me. I mean, I. But I on on foot. Hundred men with him. Every honestly, don't I I don't doubt would have given them that leave wanted to know if more could have been done, a priest whose identity disguising told us he had borne cardinal cross yards between two thousand thirteen and twenty fourteen told them that that's strong rumors about this piece. And then the cardinal told me directly that is not aware of anything BMI realize that quite often when things are deported. Nothing seems to be happening. In fact, you are marked the cardinal says he cannot recall the conversation. He says he did not recollect any cloud of suspicion over the priest. But there was another case dating back almost a decade in two thousand nine the cardinal mess with a woman who said she was raped by a priest. He says the church did investigate, but it was only late two thousand eleven and the involvement of women's rights lawyers. That the priests was removed from his parish. The cardinal says, it was a complicated case which was slowed by peels and protestations by supporters of the priest by the church should have moved faster cardinal Grassi. I did see that the church should always listen to victims and should make reporting easier. I hope that predator saving. I hope I don't know. I wanna see and visit culture of science all over the issue. Now, this should not prevent us from taking any steps to prevent such acts on Friday. The cardinal will lead the conference on a session about accountability in the church, but at home, many will question the culture of silence and difficulties victims have faced in reporting sexual abuse in his own diocese. The BBC's Priyanka Patach reporting for Mumbai. This is the world. I'm Carol hills. This is the world Justin Trudeau is having a bad week a really bad week. It may seem surprising considering the image that Canada's Prime Minister has cultivated that of a sensitive Ernest progressive leader this week though, Justin Trudeau is the man at the center of a scandal involving possible government influence on a legal case to get us up to speed our own expert on all things Canadian the world's resident Canadian Andrea cross joins me. Hey, carol. Andrea oak, Canada, what is going on Carol. This is a very Canadian type of scandal that we're talking about. There's no adult film stars involved or Roger stone type characters, but there are some pretty shocking allegations. And there have been some high profile government resignations. None of this is looking good for prime minister Trudeau so no Muller pro, but what's the scandal? It involves an engineering and construction company called SNC laugh. They are based in Montreal Quebec. They are an engineering and construction firm the company employs about twenty eight thousand people worldwide in about a hundred countries. Now, the deal is that the company has been dogged with corruption allegations tens of millions of dollars in mysterious payments surfaced, supposedly used to bribe the Libyan government for project contracts and a corruption and fraud case was brought against SCC laflin, and it's been reported that the Canadian government specifically the prime minister's office may have tried to lower the charges against the company. Why would they do the so if they were to let the company off with the equivalent of a plea bargain, it would allow them to evade trial or criminal conviction? Because if the company was convicted, it would not be able to compete for Canadian government contracts for a decade, which would be a massive hit to the company and loss of jobs. Oh, so are you saying that SNC is like a Canadian version of? Too big fail. Yes. In Canadian terms. This is a massive corporation end. Yes. Too big to fail. So how does this impact Trudeau? Well, it's led to a number of high profile resignations the most high profile being his former attorney general Jodie Wilson rape bolt. That sounds like a big deal. Well, yeah. See the thing is it's been reported that Troodos aides attempted to press or influence Wilson rebelled into intervening in this case. And that she refused to cooperate. Then the prime minister moved out of that job in a cabinet shuffle. And then she resigned. Ouch. Prime minister Trudeau has denied any impropriety. He's had to address this issue a number of times. And here's how he initially addressed it, which was a full denial. Neither current nor the previous attorney general was ever directed by me. Or by anyone in my office to take a decision in this matter. But it's. So his story changed. It was her responsibility to come forward to me this past fall and highlight that directly to me, she did not. So now he's kind of turning it back on her yet. He kind of threw her under the bus at that point. But he's made a follow up statement to that. Jody Wilson rebelled asked me if. If I was directing her going to direct her to take a particular decision. And I've course said no somewhere does not leave things Jodie Wilson. Ray boulder has refused to speak about. Specifically what she was asked. By the prime minister of she was asked something regarding this case. However, she did choose to save this in Canadian parliament yesterday, I understand fully that Canadians want to know the truth and transparency privilege, and confidentiality are not mind to Wayne, and I hope that I have the opportunity to speak my truth. Well, sounds like she has something to say, but she has to wait. I can't imagine that as a truth that will reflect well on the prime minister. So what's the real fallout here? I mean could this takedown Justin Trudeau well, not right now, I guess is the best way to put it yesterday. Members of parliament voted against a motion to launch an inquiry into the allegations against the prime minister's office. So there's not going to be government investigation. But none of this is looking good for Justin Trudeau in terms of his popularity within Canada, his approval numbers are plummeting. There are a number of issues that concern voters, but this may be a tipping point for him. And one important thing to remember Carol is that this is an election year in Canada Justin Trudeau is up for reelection in October. So you know, the larger question of does this eventually take him down. Canadian voters will decide the world's one woman candidate desk. Andrea cross them. Thanks. Andrea. You're welcome Carol in. Is stumble Turkey today. Lawyers staged a protest in support of press freedom after a Turkish appeals court upheld prison sentences for fourteen staffers of newspaper, a paper that's routinely critical of the government the committee to protect journalists says at least sixty eight journalists are imprisoned in Turkey more than any other country. Duri Bruce Karen reports for the world three years after a violent coup attempt ridge type air government continues its campaign to quash dissenting voices now political parties arguing up for local elections at the end of March and tensions are even higher than normal. About one hundred lawyers gathered in Istanbul today to protest and appeal courts decision to imprison fourteen employee's of Jim Hurryiat, one of Turkey's last newspapers that features perspectives critical of the ruling party a role under lieu of reporters without borders says he was shocked at how easily journalists could be convicted remind people these decision was taken anonymously. Any details without any distinction between defendants? So it was quite from the beginning. It was a quite political what you aided reporters office staff, even the papers accountant were accused of supporting Kurdish separatists and the coups plotters, by influencing public opinion, the defendants denied all charges an estimated seventy five thousand people have been arrested since the attempted coup in twenty sixteen that's a faction of Turkey's military, tried to overthrow air to government overnight more than two hundred people were killed in the aftermath and more than thousand wounded Turkey has blamed the followers of US-based cleric Fatullah, Len and the hunt to prosecute his supposed supporters has been relentless. Attorney Torah pet. Kin says those with sentences of more than five years can appeal their convictions the rest will serve the remainder of their sentences in prisons decision. The reports are both of them. Totally unfair and against human rights against press freedom against all the roof that I know staffers at Jim hurry. It have been able to return home while they wait on their appeals. After hearing the news, Jim hurry, ombudsman gray ause posted to Twitter. Thankfully, I made the last corrections to my novel. He wrote we won't be seeing each other for a while goodbye for the world. I'm dairy scaring, an Istanbul. I'm Carol hills. Isis recruited westerners to come join its ranks as foreign fighters. And now some of those people regret, it should they be allowed to go back home. People become foreign fighters with can sometimes be the most credible voices. Deterring others, that's just ahead on the world. I'm Carol hills with the world where co-production of the BBC World Service PRI and W H in Boston. When an American flees to join the so-called Islamic state, should they be allowed to come home Hoda Mathon left Alabama to join ISIS in Syria. Now after the collapse of the extremist groups stronghold in Syria, she's in a refugee camp and wants to return home. President Trump tweeted she will not be allowed to come back. He said she was never a US citizen to begin with though, her family and lawyer maintained she is Jessie Morton is a former Jihadist recruiter. He served time in jail, but he was allowed to return to the US. Now, he runs the group parallel networks to real Bill Tate other radicalize individuals Jesse. What do you think of home with on us case? Should she be allowed to come back to Ella? Bama. I do actually believe that she should be allowed to return to the state. And I think this is an actually an opportunity to prove that rehabilitation and reintegration of people that went onto become foreign fighters with ICS can sometimes be the most credible voices in deterring others, if she was able to return to the states and received the proper intervention services, she's in need of she in fact, could become a voice sort of similar to the one that I have become. What year was this that you became radicalized and got involved. So it was radicalization is a process it's not an event, I converted in two thousand early two thousand and I think that the onset of my radicalization came with nine eleven like many, others what by two thousand and three. I was a serious committed preacher, and you're Muslim name was Eunice dill Mohammed you create revolution. Muslim you're actively recruiting people and your turnaround, your rejection of radical Islam, it it wasn't. It didn't come on your own. You were arrested in two thousand eleven in Morocco. And brought back and convicted and spent time in prison persuade Americans. Why e you should have been given a second chance. Well, I had actually ran from threatening the right of south park to Morocco. And while I was there the spring. Let me interrupt there. Because our listeners might not know that you you had threatened the writers of of the TV show south park because you thought they were anti-islam portrayed to profitable holiday. Really good. And it would require some explanation, but an individual -ffiliated with my website good post Brett's, clear direct threats to them. And then he got arrested trying to have some Malia join al-qaeda's outfit there. So Iran, knowing I would soon be arrested. But what happened when I went to Arago was very important for us to understand what needs to occur here in this situation of these female cases that are coming up now because when I got from the Springbok out because important thing was that I was extracted from the network. I no longer had day-to-day contact in the social psychological forces that kept me going in regards to my extremism were removed, but really transition came in contact with an empathetic FBI agent who erotic aided the black and white world view that they were waging war against Islam. I went on to turn and. Become an informant and to cooperate with the government. And since that time I've been working to repair the damage that I caused. And you received a reduced prison sentence because of that cooperation didn't you? I did. Yes. Do you? Let's go back to a hotel Thon. Do you think she should face jail time to absolutely one hundred percent, and it should be very lengthy sentence. I mean the degree to which she acted severe. However, there are mechanisms for rehabilitating her inside of prison. It's very good opportunity for us to learn more about that. This is a female case where the roles that females play inside of Jihadist movement actually decrease the risk for violence, and she won't have access in federal prison to disseminate radical. Decrease the likelihood of violence for women roles you. Yes. So women play very different role. They're not allowed to buy the verdicts, or fell of Jihadist scholars to carry out attacks in less situation, where they're in defense like if they're living in Raka, and there's people approaching that our enemies of farm so to say the role that women play as mother's right? You can three guard to be children that have born been born under icies and in the refugee camps. But they're also she's in propaganda. The message that women send is that men are weakened they're not acting. Look at me on that thing. When behalf the cause multiple cases of women involved in extremist Islamic terror attacks. I mean, one that comes to mind is touch Wien Malik the woman in the husband and wife team who carried out the attack in December twenty fifteen in San Bernardino. So seems like women do take part in these attacks. It is true that you do have young people that are living on the periphery like cases pets medic. Lou certainly good knock the. Coincide with what's a I would have considered permissible and not if the case what's tough in these cases. There's also the case of the British woman Shamima Bigham, neither of them sound terribly remorseful to be brutally honest. I mean, they the comments they're making our comments because they're suddenly in very tough spot. Particularly the case of Shamima Begum. I mean, there's there's there's not a lot of kind of you know, this was awful. What I did. This is terrible. The expressions coming across our I really wanna be forgiven. I really want to become a part of, you know, either of the UK or the US. I'm not scary. But it seems to be statements based on the predicament. They're in now, how do you persuade either Britain's or Americans that these individuals should be welcomed back or brought back even to face due process welcomed back, and they should be treated as especially the United States. In fact, they are we. You have to understand that they suffer like anyone else that's been in a war zone from the trauma of war and they've been heavily indoctrinated, but they were indoctrinated before they left, but that's even worse. Now. That's that's that's not the concern here that concern is risk for the American public. Do they pose a risk to commit an active violence, or is there any risks that they could let's say scape or anything like this? There's zero risk that. That's the case these women, they might have very radical ideas. But still it's an opportunity if we look at it in the right light. I know that that sounds a bit off based. But the fact that these women are not going to pose a risk for violence that they will receive pending credibly long prison term, and the fact that yes, they are continue to support an ideology that is Hanes. They won't have an opportunity to express that ideology any longer the benefits here outweigh the harms. Morton is a former Jihadist recruiter. He now runs the group called parallel networks aimed at rehabilitating other radicalized individuals, the British woman, we just mentioned Shamima Bigham isn't likely to return to the UK at this point the government. There has revoked her British passport. Here's big whom speaking to the BBC this week. She was answering a question about whether she was sorry for those killed by Slavic extremists feel that is wrong. Like, some people did get killed like women children dislike people in you know, like the women children bubbles, bingo, right now, just leave the bombings thing Rooney Paul Stott research terrorism and security with the Henry Jackson society in the UK. He says big words haven't gone down. Well there. Shocking. Some of the things she was saying some of the position she still seems to be justifying with regards to Islamic state's. I'm what the procedure secretary has done in in stripping high of British citizenship is something that's now. Increasingly common in the UK. It something that's legal. And in this case probably pays justifiable. You have to remember commentators. Lot myself haven't necessarily say all the evidence that's going across the home secretary's deaths. He's taking a decision based on intelligence regime. Lot intelligence is is very damaging when Shamim asks for the UK to forgive her is it genuine. I mean, can we trust what she saying at all? Sure, she she house full forgiveness had comments have been particularly curious Rayleigh because I've been associated strange mixture of some criticism of Islamic state, for example for being come up. But also that she seems to been disappointed in Islamic state didn't may high standards, and, you know, bait liked listening to somebody's been very committed to an ideology who's been slightly latte down by of -as, and it doesn't necessarily criticize Jack thoughts ideology. I wondered do you get the sense that that Shamim bagan thinks that she did anything wrong. I get we get the sense. Most of all that she's disappointed how things of have ton downs. But she seems points happy on a on a personal level. She's my husband a jihadis fines afraid Islamic state's regret seems to be in a way around separation from some of family in the UK and regret that she doesn't have access to welfare provisions that the national health service to help children. I think knows any Claire Atherton's that she realizes that. She's done some very bad things. And also that she's played a policy of people's oppression. She's gone out to another country and joined an organization Islam extent that was repressing of his arguably committee genocide against the us as terrible crimes against Christine's not community. She doesn't seem to have any regrets about. Could the counter terrorism and intelligence community make use of someone like Shamima bag on in a way that could help fight the whole effort against ISIS? In the Sotomayor taking individuals Bach who've provided actionable intelligence and h-have clearly change that minds and who may be of use potentially in comes applies Asian programs. This no evidence I in this case. Indeed. When you when you listen to her some of its associate may mean type all humans, and then of a pulse of it seemed to be that she's still committed to Islam Stein geology. He still committed to the idea of he's Lennox dies. She's just not socially happy with how Islamic state themselves have delivered on that promise. Paul Stott researches terrorism and security with the Henry Jackson society in the United Kingdom. Thanks a lot for speaking. With us serious war in the battle against ISIS have been anything, but simple for activists like Abdelaziz Alhamzar when serious anti-government uprising began in twenty eleven. Uh-huh. Oh was a college. Student. He started attending protests in his hometown of Raka like this one. Because. He recorded the protests on his phone, and uploaded the videos online that caught the government's attention a hums that was arrested and tortured then ISIS gained the upper hand in Rocco. A hums remembers the first time he ran into an Islamic state recruiter. Man with the accident entered my university. So he came to us Android to convince us to join ICES he managed to convince one of my friends letter that year, my friend was dead. So I'll homes and his friends took two rockets streets again this time risking their lives to shout. Isis should leave. Isis fighters came to HAMAs house looking for him in two thousand fourteen so he fled to Turkey. He's lived in exile ever since finally this week. He could celebrate the news that ISIS was being forced out of its last strongholds many witnesses have seen cars entering the loss down evacuating is his fighters block. Finally, there is no ISIS in Syria. Are is is fighters actually being allowed safe exits from these last strongholds, yes, they were able just to pass through. And right now the question is was going to have been with those ISIS fighters of being evacuated and Syria. But if the ISIS fighters are allowed to go won't, they simply take ISIS somewhere else in Syria. Of course, if you would look at the social media different platforms, you'll find ISIS supporters who using the crimes that have been committed by the United States by other countries to use photos videos to recruit more people to say look than tyrod is. Trying to fight Islam. So I think they would figure out a way to come back. Again, you've been an activist for democracy in Syria for a long time now, and you and so many others took to the streets in twenty eleven to really try to bring democracy to Syria and fight for political rights. Do you feel betrayed at all? Yes. Of course early wins. Brought to started when it was peaceful. Protests than tarnishing community was just giving promises romancing Syria and be was that they will be held for years. The Ciro regime was killing over a million Syrians that Turner Shan community did nothing. But when I showed up that initial community came together, they started to attack ISIS, which I agree about. But at the same time they've worked it about the Syria regime, looking back has it been worth it for me. Yes towards that. Because we were living come to where we had no education and right now as serum people I would. You meet many kids who are like twelve thirteen fourteen for me, they have more knowledge than any other kids that I have met because they've whatness style war. So in other countries, they should have been seeing a therapist or whatever. But right now, I feel like our kids can people Titians right now, they can be teachers they learned a lot. Yeah. So that was a good thing for us as people to know to develop abuse amount of knowledge in short time. But you left number of years ago. You've lived in Turkey, you lived in Germany noling, New York, d feel like you have a home I feel like homeless. Sometimes I feel that I have to move all the time change may location, genuine Umbro. But at the same time, I have a voice day was able to deliver the message of ministerial people to international community. So again, maybe what they haven't heard about Syria. So I feel some for me at the same time being homeless with no home to deliver a message and educate people about what's going on in Syria to hear from someone who's being there. Overt nece. All those groups. L Hamza is a Syrian. He's the founder of Raka is being slaughtered. Silently a group that exposes the atrocities committed by ISIS and others in Syria. Thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you this week tennis legend Martina Navratilova, kicked up a debate with some controversial comments. She said it's cheating when transgender women compete in women's sports. The criticism has been swift. Some are defending never to Lova the world's Allison had ETA has the story. Martina navratilova. I shared her opinion on transgender athletes on Twitter and Ballo that up with an editorial in the British newspaper the Sunday Times, she wrote a man can decide to be female take hormones win, everything and earn a small fortune, then reverse his decision and go back to making babies if he so desires, she wrote it's insane in it's cheating since then the LGBT advocacy organization athlete ally has cut ties. As with number two Lova, calling her transphobic and many activists and international athletes. Say number Tova argument doesn't hold up including Dr Rachel McKinnon. She's a Canadian world champion cyclist who advocates for the rights of trans athletes like herself, her her argument is to exclude real innocent trans women on the basis of a non-existent made up bear possibility case of a fraudster, and that is not how would you affix that is not how would you human rights? Mckinnon accused never to love of having an irrational fear of transpeople. She has portrayed it as me attacking and bullying her which is not the case go look at every tweet I sent and it was explaining like these like genitals. Don't play sports. Why do you think that matters on Twitter Navratilova has responded by saying the criticism is unfair? And that this is a serious issue that warrants discussion sports writer. Her and tennis player, Stephanie miles agrees. There should be a discussion on the website tennis life. She wrote that what number two love is saying has some merit. The fact is and look I love men's tennis, women's tennis. But they're not necessarily the same thing. The men most of them are taller and most of them have more upper body strength. And that's just the way it is. And as result, they could serve a lot harder. The Women's Tennis Association. The sport's global governing body has rules in place when it comes to trans women athletes ten animals of testosterone per liter of blood that level must be maintained for at least a year before competition in two thousand sixteen the International Olympic Committee adopted the same guidelines for transgender women athletes, though, transgender men can compete without restriction mile says rules are good. But she says transgender women still have an advantage because. Men often have more muscle. Even though you test tussle level might have dropped. Now. Maybe you might not be as powerful as you were previously. But that doesn't mean that you wouldn't be a lot more powerful than a women. But Dr Rachel McKinnon, the Canadian cyclist doesn't buy it. She says it's absurd to think that men would temporarily transition just so they could enter and win a sporting competition. She says that's not how transitioning works so in the states to change your gender for your name requires court. Visit and you have to find a judge that will look at you and hear your keys and granted them these requests get denied by actual trans people who are not thinking it. And she says it takes a long time to find a doctor to administer hormones, and it's an expensive process. The International Olympic Committee hasn't weighed in on number two lavas comments so far. No. Transgender athlete has competed in Olympic sport for the world. I'm Alison at Atta and finally day toilet, paper Americans. Use a lot of it three roles a week per person more than any other country in the world. Shelly vineyard is an activist with the natural Resources Defense Council. She co authored a report released this week, titled the issue with tissue. How Americans are flushing force down the toilet. The issue is mostly that the major toilet paper manufacturers in the United States to not provide toilet paper brands that are made with recycled content. If you go to the supermarket, you won't see brands like Sharman made with recycled content, they're made entirely of virgin forest, fiber. And where does that come from well much of the tissue coming from major toilet paper and tissue manufacturers in the United States comes from the Canadian boreal and the Canadian boreal is. Is the world's largest remaining intact forest in. It's disappearing before is at a rate of seven in each L, hockey, rinks a minute because of this directive logging. Wow. And is most of the cutting of that boreal forest is it for toilet paper. Well, toilet paper is one of the sources the America actually purchases the most boreal wood products. And so it it is just unbelievable that in today's day in age a throwaway product like toilet paper is destroying some of the world's most important forests and are those big toilet paper companies. Are they in the process of offering a truly recycled brand of toilet paper? We've asked proctoring gamble who makes Sharman to make their products more sustainable by including recycled content, and they've refused. So far what we that'll change. Why one of the reasons? Well, major toilet paper manufacturers like Proctor and gamble say that consumers simply don't want to a paper made with recycled content. But that ignores the fact that many consumers simply have no idea the environmental costs their toilet paper choices have. And what we're asking today with our report is that major toilet paper manufacturers, make sure that products are truly sustainable, so that when you go to the supermarket, you can feel confidence that you're buying a product. That's both good for our forests and quality. Shelly vineyard is with the nonprofit environmental advocacy groups natural Resources Defense Council. She co authored the report the issue with tissue. Thanks, shirley. Thanks. We reached out to Proctor and gamble for comment. But did not hear back by airtime before we go. Here's a preview for our show. Tomorrow will be taking a look at where we stand now with the Muller investigation. It's been almost two years since the special counsel started looking at links between the Trump campaign and Russia and their speculation that Miller might be wrapping up his investigation as early as next week. President Trump insists there was no collusion, but even after Muller's probe is complete. There will still be a lot of unanswered questions is Congress's job to then take what has occurred over the previous two years sift through it present this to the American public through the form of public hearings and investigation in the house, and then decide what to do about it. What have we learned from Robert Muller, so far, and what comes next that's tomorrow here on the world from the Nanan Bill Harris studios at W G, B H. I'm Carol hills. Thanks for tuning in. Our public radio international.
Bursts of Possibility
"Heads to Macy's backstage for fines, you won't believe and prices, so low you can't resist. So what's hot for cold weather? Well, Bo is fabulous. Find fo- best and jackets starting at thirty nine ninety nine. Those must have votre trim bags you love. They start at twenty nine ninety nine. And guys. We've got the police implant you'll live in all season starting at nineteen ninety nine where all about keeping the whole family warm. You never know what you'll find. You'll always find something for info and locations. Visit macysbackstage dot com. And welcome to the world transform Bill Bauer. Master and with me in the virtual studio is my co-host. Hello, steven. Hey, how are you? Well, I am a super fantastic. How are you my friend, man? I am doing great excited to get going with the another future show this evening. Well, you know, we got a three part series. We're starting tonight. And we've got a very special guest with this who's going to be with us throughout this series. Let's just bring him out. His name is Steve wells, Steve is a global futurist keynote speaker and he's COO fast future. Which is a professional. Foresight firm. Steve helps clients in event delegates understand the key future. Factors driving innovation growth and disruptive change, highlighting the new thinking and business models enabled by exponential technologies such as artificial intelligence immersive technologies like augmented and virtual reality and hyper connectivity. He explores the mindset shifts and leadership capabilities for choir to compete in the. Emerging future. In order to help leaders to make informed choices on the potential impact of emerging technologies. He is a co editor and contributing author for the future of business beyond genuine stupidity. Love that title, insuring AI serves humanity and the future reinvented reimagining life society in business, and the recently published book, a very human future in rich and humanity in digitized world, and that is the book we're going to be talking with Steve about tonight. Steve welcome to the world transformed. Thank you very much. Indeed, Phil great to be used eight. Thank you great. Having you with us. And I thought what we would do over the next three days is just kind of go through some of the topics that emerge in your book, a very human future. But maybe before we dive into that maybe say a few words about that title. That's an interesting title, especially following on a book where you where you talk about the distinction between artificial intelligence and genuine stupidity. What's what's the significance? Of talking about a very human nature. So we did every human future what we've really saying is the point in technological eve Lucien that we've arrived at gives us a bit of a choice point. So we let technology volt technology companies take control that lives in sort of the way that we'd seen up to now. But if we put Jack full it in the with the soda technologies we starting to see with red Baltic thoughts officially intelligence with the blockchain. We we can kind of look folded and potentially some point outcomes very human future. Israeli out saying what did he will turn a one of the things that we need to think about in order to create an environment. That outs humanity to flourish. So it's not about stopping the EIB, Aleutian development of technology. It's actually about leveraging that so that we can enrich humanity. So that we can continue to thrive. In a digitized world that the world. And if we look range of different drivers that we say the world is getting more called plex getting more uncertain. So let us the pallet technologies represent so that we can achieve very human future. Rob the a very technologically driven future. I think that's very timely. There seems to be a lot of reconsidering of the future going on right now. I don't know if you've seen George Gilder book, if you've had a chance to read that his new one life after Google, but it I think is very much in that same vein looking at well, here's the future that we're being promised by say, the big technology companies. And maybe here's where where it might actually go. So I think there's a there's a lot of people kind of stepping back and saying is this is this really the future that we that. We would have voted for head. We've been given about right? Yeah. I think that's that's certainly what we're picking up as well. I guess the things that we're talking about an in this Bill Bo is the path to the future is melt say, so how do we get the various stakeholders across the Saudi government known governmental grapes business individuals at different countries, different coaches to kind of come together and think about what is means because quite often when left with the conundrum of if artificial intelligence takes fifty or eighty percent of the jobs the economy. What do we do next what we're trying to do is actually create some kind of sense of what the options might be not just in terms of how the future may turn out. But also what a some of the choice points as a society we have to ensure that everyone can sharing the potential benefits that technologies represent. So let's talk about some of those choices the book opens with the chat. Called future snapshot to twenty five year outlook so steps through some possible futures twenty five years we're that put us in the year twenty forty three that right where what what are things going to be looking like, they're potentially one of the things. I don't lie when anyone offs me kind of a question that guy into liking twenty three is that we know, and that's absolutely critical because what we tried to do with this create a range of potential scenarios. So for example, we could say very few jobs already seeing the impact of artificial intelligence and other summation systems taking jobs increasingly out of the white politics. We've seen it for years. I haven't we in the blue caught you know, we starting to see these creep into into the white collar sector. So increasing automation is is something that we've potentially see we can all say other technologies kind of getting on that act if he likes if we think about the potential of blockchain to create a live ledger. All moving products around the world moving containers around the world way that we may even be able to put our densities on the blockchain to smooth the way that we can travel around the world, the lots of these technologies, the basically potentially involve left PayPal in actually delivering the services that technologies that the technologies replace so this twenty five year outlook, he's about is saying here or a number of different complex, social political economic technological factors could play out an interacting seeding the complex way. I've been the next twenty five years that kind of sets the framework, I think full first of all the pace and sky the change that we see in because the kind of things that we talking about in the book, they they they might feel a bit fanciful. Sometimes I look at some of these technologies, and I think this is a bit like science magic blurring, but the important thing to. Realize the things that people are talking about their in labs right now that being tested right now. They're see serious scientist working on some of these things right now, including things like brain to wa this Bryant a computer interface. So the some really fascinating things going on. And these technology could have such a radical change on outlawed that we just try and create a sense of complexity of uncertainty of radical change a very quick change as well. So that we feel that we need to see something that is kind of cool to a cool to homes almost on these. This is kind of step back a little bit from the projection thing because we're not saying that any one of the scenarios that we speak about in the book will come to be what we saying is that we need to use that uncertainty about the future to try and create robust inflexible policy robust, inflexible strategies. Because the right which we will move through the transition from what I think is current animal will to digitalized society in the future could be really really fast. And I think that our establish businesses governments actually move much more slowly than the pace of change. We might expect to see and that creates a whole bunch of challenges puzzle is Asians. So how do we look the way politics work make change more quickly? How do we look at the way that we create legislation and make that happen quickly? How do we create a sense that experimentation both in politics and business is the right thing to do simply because we really don't know how the future will play out. And I think they're in is part of the challenge because we see app companies every cool to every year trying to create a sense of certainty for the market. So the investors feel safe and secure. And I guess democrat. That governments do that as well. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So so we have to try and encourage people to become more used to uncertainty more use to experimentation. Experimentation? I think is the key and in. I can't see that anyone nations going get a xactly. Right. Can you? I mean, it's it's it's so complex all the different things that are going to be tried at one time that you know, every country will go down some wrong wrong paths. And perhaps it's it makes it extremely important that the lines of communication open across the ocean. So that we can learn from each other, right? I think that's absolutely crucial. One of the things point to we might talk about this bit lights as well. But one of the things I would point to is the potential power of intelligence professor Stephen hawking a couple of years ago before it's before his death was speaking about this. If deficient intelligence becomes his path, a some people believe it might be than as an argument to suggest the it, and it's huge Eva Lucien could become as potentially dangerous to humanity as nuclear weapons. Now, we have a nuclear non-proliferation treaty around the world. But we don't have anything the moment that talks about how we might ethically develop and deploy artificial intelligence so that in itself is going to require quite a significant quite significant collaboration around the world. Of course, the interesting difference between those two interesting pieces of technology is one is controlled by governments on the second is controlled by corporations. Right. I think they're in there in lies one of the other complications that we might see in trying to form some kind of global treaty around the ethics of developing fishing televisions. Well, in fact, when you think about it nuclear weapons once the purview just superpowers nation-states, potentially. They fall into the hands of other players somewhere down the road, but artificial intelligence, advanced computer technology, that's falling into the hands of other people all the time. Right. I mean, so so the potential to build a, I even all major powers agree. They're not going to do it. You could have five guys in a basement someplace right who could do on a head. I mean, that's that's the big difference. I think. What's interesting about that? If you if we pull back up to to to the national skylight, and then think about the global political landscape at the moment, some some of those tensions from the seventies. Sixties? Maybe a starting to resurface starting. Give yourself is between the US and China based on trade, but also based on on China looking to reposition itself in the world, then we'll have based on the tensions between Russia western Europe, North America because of Russia's perceived requirement to reposition itself as global as a real global power as well. So we seeing some of these political tensions. I think research is in a way that maybe we wouldn't have expected five ten years ago. So within back into the how do we do the how do we do the validation of compliance? If there is a some kind of global ethical treaty around the development of artificial intelligence what about. If it is you say in Garrett somewhere five guys, you know, kind of creating new types of new types of application. What what we do if it is China that decides to go to Levin, not dare to at some of the treaties may be that may be together. So I think there are some really interesting political angles to this going forward. And I think that's why it is so complicated at the moment. You then go to the question who might administer that kind of a treaty as well alternately? It'll have to be a overlords themselves, right? That run it. They could save them all the rains right now. The the second chapter of the book, you talk about the big reboot. And that's kind of interesting because we're just talking about geopolitics and the US secretary state famously years ago went to Russia said she was gonna hit the reset button with them. So so there there's this interesting idea of when and how do we start things over or do we hit a point beyond which we have to really make things work differently talk a little bit about the big reboot in terms both of may be society overall. And specifically in terms of education and employment. What is what is that going to mean for us as as people living with technology? Yeah festival. You would hope that before we get to some kind of critical tipping point, the governments and society. More broadly have realized that it would be a good thing to stop doing something in an evolutionary way robs a revolutionary because these kind of system. And structures that we talking about here a so complex so fundamental to the ongoing success and cohesion society. So in the big reap. What would really saying is the we can see how technologies will fundamentally change business? We can see how things like robotics. Artificial intelligence will allow us to be increasingly efficient efficiency generally means doing things with less people, which is fine. That's great so long as we then put processes systems and structures in place to retrain, those people for the new industries that will stop to emerge because as much as we see things like artificial intelligence light needs to take down of the economy. We all say see a plethora of new technology starting to emerge beat a through human in Huntsman through technology, new computing technologies blockchain forty printing three d printing there's a whole massive these new technologies that a very lot to create. New business opportunities. So if that is the case that how do we re educate people full employment in the future. The some kind of suggestion at the moment. The maybe two thirds of kids currently starting school going to look jobs don't exist right now. So if we go back to the idea of what might look like in twenty forty three compared to now, we'll ready we begin to get a sense that maybe the jobs market would be just so radically different. And that's one individuals progress through school before they get to university. So we need to start to think now about how do we re think education, but it's not just about education at school? I think it's about ongoing lifelong learning it's about training within the workplace. How do we make sure that people are ready to adapt to the changing nature of their jobs as well? As thinking about completely new jobs. I think then we need to think about so what might the potential economic impact of some of these societal transitions day. What are some of the things we need to think about in concert? Littering the potential of technologically unemployed people how do we fund the costs of navigating kind of that took an economic transition period that we might see between where we are now fully digitized society. That's where we start to debate the the benefits or otherwise of schemes light, universal basic income. Oh, university basic services more, maybe a politically more palatable conditional, basic income and conditional basic services. So we need to find a way to continue. If we do see radical changes to the job market through increasing automation ways to create a continued sense of cohesiveness within society to make sure people feel equipped and ready to take on the next job and learning challenge because potentially the world will be so radically different. We did the lifetime of many of us. What I like about that? Especially Steve is the notion. Of if we can focus on the benefits if we can focus on the upside the opportunities and get people thinking about those as well as the risks. There are downsides. There are risk at our tremendous risks that lie ahead, but if anything is going to motivate say within an industry or within a given government or for the world geopolitically people to make the right kinds of positive choices here. It's it's going to be because they're going after the recognizing that there is there is a big upside there. Yeah. I think that's absolutely really. And I think that that debate is starting to happen. I don't hear too much of that debate happening inside I made you governments around the world. So the the kind of some of the notions around America, first what to see from outside the US protection of for some of the things that are going on in Europe, particularly UK exiting the European Union. A kind of examples where we're seeing almost regression away from both been happening over the last twenty thirty forty years around globalization around increasing free trade around the willingness to embrace you ideas from around the world. So the very point you could argue that we need to be more open who we have to be wary of the dangers of increasing isolationism. I think yeah. Well, there's obviously there's great comfort in familiar ideas. And there's a lot of insecurity around unfamiliar ideas. But if we can if we can get people to see that there's something in it for them that there's something in in in the world for for all of us to to moving. Head with our thinking. I think that'd be all right. Well, we're going to pick this up in our next program. We're gonna talk a little bit further about some of these ideas. Thank you so much for being with Steve look forward to talking with you again soon not really enjoyed it. All right. That's going to do it for this edition of the world transform. We will be back again with part two of our discussion with Steve wells. And until next time live to see.
Getting in on the world's most profitable company
"This. Marketplace podcast is brought to you by aqua. The open source digital experience company. Brands, often struggled to find a comprehensive solution to power their troop websites and applications aqueous platform. Abel's you to build operate in optimize at scale as the open source leader. Aqua gives customers around the world the freedom to build tomorrow on their terms. Learn more aqua dot com. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by. Indeed, are you hiring with? Indeed, you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist. Qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today and indeed dot com slash marketplace. That's indeed dot com slash marketplace. Investors are clamoring for a piece of the world's most profitable company in Washington. I'm Kimberly Adams in for David Brancaccio who's on assignment Saudi Arabian. Oil giant Aramco is expected to set a price for its latest bond offering today, the company wants to raise about ten billion dollars from global investors and investors seem happy to oblige. That's despite the company's close ties to the Saudi government, which was implicated in the murder of journalist Jamal Hushovd g last year. Mark Lucina is chief investment strategist at Janney. Montgomery Scott and joins me with more on this morning. Kimberly. Orders for Saudi Aramco's debut international bonds topped a hundred billion dollars today. What does that tell you about what's happening in the markets? I think he tells you everything that we've been seeing now since basically the last decade, which is the search for yield is unavailable in an environment. When we have over ten trillion dollars a bond globally priced with a negative. Yield anything that offers a positive coupon in this environment is going to be subscribed to with earnest, and this is all happening an environment of uncertainty in the markets, especially as it relates to trade. We have news this week about the US potentially. Imposing tariffs on another eleven billion dollars worth of goods from the European Union. In response to a WTO ruling on Airbus the factory is at a time in which we don't yet have resolution to the Chinese American negotiations on trade and was still mortaring concerns about global economic activity anything that is going to impose additional level of uncertainty or threat to business activity is going to put investors back on their heels. A little bit Mike Lee Seaney is teeth investment strategist at Janney. Montgomery scott. Thank you. Thank you, Kimberly. That's you years ago. The movie industry was worried net flicks. And similar streaming services would turn movie goers into couch potato. Ios. But for now, at least the movie industry appears to be going strong marketplaces. Ben Bradford explains why look at the end of this month. We're in the. We're in the. Avengers Infinity war enjoyed the largest US box office opening in history last year, and it sequel avengers endgame is projected to match or even exceed it Phil Contrino of the national association of theatre owners says global box office revenue is at an all time high despite a perpetual narrative that movie going is on the way out whenever there's a bad weekend at the box office. You see these, you know, sky's falling type stories, and then a good strong commercial movie comes along and all of a sudden, it's fine again, but Sharon Waxman, founder of media business site, the wrap says the box office success is hiding a real threat from streaming services, but just ever harder for the movie theaters to figure out what is that thing that is going to make people get up out of their chairs and go to the theatre US theaters are making more money off of higher ticket prices and amenities movie attendance has gradually declined for more than a decade. I'm Ben Bradford for marketplace. As a nonprofit news organization. Marketplace's able to do what we do everyday thanks to funding from radio stations foundations corporate underwriters and listeners like you. Thank you to all the marketplace investors contributed over the last year for helping keep public service journalism strong all of us, really. Appreciate your support. This. 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She just dropped off the face of the earth. She reappears with a very obsequious post wherein. She apologizes for her mishandling of events. And then after that the world learns that she's actually been taken in for tax fraud. And later we learned that she was actually under house arrest for three or so months during these three months, she didn't have access to her phone. There was always a minder with her even when she was taking showers in your piece in Vanity Fair. You talk. What about how this is happening as the Chinese economy is slowing down? But what does one person fan, Bing, Bing in particular? What does she have to do with that the double digit growth that China has been seen for a long time with that slowing down? There's been a great need for the Xi Jinping government, the current regime to figure out alternate sources of income and realizing this coincided with this rear little scandal in the Chinese film industry, and as the taxes stories began looking into it, they realize, wow, this is actually there's incredible wealthier that can be collected. So what made fan of all the wealthy people in China? The ideal target for this a lot of the reasons as to why people suspect she in particular was targeted is that the government knew that she would actually comply with their wishes, which is not something that comes as a guaranteed necessarily with other members of the Chinese showbusiness. So. So it sounds like a lot of this was to send a message was it received. Yeah. I would say so when I was there people were maniacally sort of going back through their past papers. You know, saying I gotta go to see my accountant, I've been called into t that's the Missouri. That's used to go see the tax authorities, and they were really trying their best to get their ducks in a row in a way that I they tell me they hadn't really experienced before people sort of talked made reference to the cultural revolution to say that this is the first time since the cultural revolution there's been so much government control over what we do here reported may Joan her piece in Vanity Fair is titled the big error was that she was caught the untold story behind the mysterious disappearance of fan being being the world's biggest movie star. Thanks me. Thank you so much and in Washington DC, I'm Kimberly Adams with the market. Place morning reports. From APM American public media. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by the United States postal service. Every day. We talk about how innovative companies are reinventing the way business happens. 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Weaponizing Social Media
"Welcome back suggests Barada a podcast takes just ten minutes to get you smarter on the collision of tech business and politics. I'm Dan per MAC today taping from Columbus, Ohio, and on today's show, SoftBank finally takes a stand on Saudi Arabia sort of and something I've learned here in Columbus about the future of robotics, but first weaponising social media before Jamal kashogi was murdered earlier this month in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. He'd been dealing with an army of social media trolls that a friend of his told the New York Times was like, quote, sustained gunfire online, and kashogi wasn't alone as it was also something experienced by other critics of the Saudi government. All apparently emanating out of a so called troll farm in Riyadh, created by the crown prince Mohammad bin soman, and they weren't alone as all sorts of other regimes and other countries have begun using social media to silence and intimidate critics somewhere authoritarian, like when the Myanmar military used Facebook to build public support for ethnic cleansing. Now some has done democracies like in Mexico where political. Parties use butts and fake accounts to influence political elections there, and some are done by authoritarian governments to affect elections in democracies as we saw with Russia in the US two years ago and who knows maybe next week, the bottom line here is tech companies and social media companies are paying attention and trying to fight this, but they've often been either to lax or too slow. Misinformation has always been a key component of bad political actors, but it's social media which can be manipulated so easily via smartphones. That is probably the most powerful misinformation tool ever created in fifteen seconds. We'll go deeper on this with Sarah Fisher axios media reporter. But first, this. Axios chief technology correspondent in a free shares, breaking news and analysis on the most consequential companies, players tech from the valley to subscribe to get smarter faster at sign up dot, axios dot com. And now back to the program to podcast. We're joined now by Sarah Fisher axios media reporter who wrote about authority and regimes using misinformation via social media this morning on the website. So Sarah, what was the most surprising thing you found? I think that when you talk to some of the researchers from the forensics lab at the Atlantic or some of the other places, they do seem alarmed by the scale at which this is happening, but they also all seem to have a pretty sound historical perspective, which is that it shouldn't be surprising. You know, technology tends to be weaponized by that actors were oppressive regimes that are trying to exert control of others. But what this should be is a signal to regulators that we need to step in probably sooner than we had thought. And when you say regular news step in, we're talking here about US businesses which provide software that's being used in other countries. What can regulators actually do? There's a lot of things you could do. So around the world, a lot of countries have different approaches. Some countries are looking at, you know whether or not you can find a certain company or platform for content that's on there. Site or whatever. We're talking about people who want to enforce more privacy restrictions. People who wanna make different threshold. So you couldn't necessarily upload a bazillion accounts at once. There are some people who say that we should have stricter barriers to entry with different social media platforms that it's harder to fake accounts. There's a lot of things that you could do with social media and to regulate it so that you don't have governments that are weaponising it. But I think the biggest thing that we could do is also just holding these platforms accountable in trying to get them to self regulate because we're not going to have laws that are passed all around the world tomorrow. But in the meantime, we can't have elections happening in Brazil or in Mexico or in the United States around the world be tempered with this because platforms just quite frankly, aren't acting fast enough. We'll let me ask things now come back to the US in minutes. We have elections coming up in a week, but take the example in all right, in Facebook's. Obviously, I think rightly got a lot of criticism for its slow response. There the fact that it didn't have people on the ground who spoke the language, you understood what was really happening. Do you think that. Chasing Facebook enough that there is not another man mar somewhere right now that is using Facebook in a similar way or is that probably happening somewhere else? And it's always one step behind, oh, it's probably happening somewhere else in. It's just always one step behind and Facebook knows that. I mean, they call this an arms race. They are aware that there's always going to be bad actors. And in many cases, people who are tied to the government or a state backdoors who are trying to meddle in elections. I think about what's happening Brazil. You know, there are elections coming up within the next few days. There have been reports that businessmen linked to. One of the candidates is funding some mass dissemination of false news on WhatsApp, which is a Facebook owned property. So we know that it's happening. Facebook has said an admitted that they in some cases, I've been too slow to act when it comes to kind of clamping down on ways that governments or regimes or businesses linked to those regimes have abused its platform to either sway elections to squash. Dissent what's up is interesting, right? Because it's not a public platform in the same way. The Facebook is Facebook owns it, but it's not that sort of way. It's basically a private messaging system, and there's. Nothing that I know of that if I happen to send you a text with false information that prevents you from getting that texts or warns you that the information's wrong. Is there anything on something like what's up the Facebook can actually do there is and they've been doing something. So one is limiting the amount of people in which you can Ford a message to maybe some other thoughts that people have thrown out there limit the number of people to a group, WhatsApp. The group limit is two hundred fifty people for some of them. I mean, if you were to blast out some sort of fake news to two hundred fifty people that's going to be pretty effective. So maybe Facebook changes that infrastructure and has it be, you know, just twenty people or ten people. There's a lot of stuff that they can do. But if you talk to some experts and researchers on this, they'll say it's really hard to measure how bad the problem is because a lot of these messaging platforms are encrypted end to end. So even if Facebook were to clamp down on ways that fake news can spread on messaging in order to measure the effectiveness of it. Truly, these researchers have to go into the field and just ask people word of mouth. What are you here? And what are you seeing? And quite frankly, that's how they're measuring at this point. We have elections coming up very, very, very soon here in the US. We've had some talk from someone ficials about how there's been, you know, attempts to foreign interference, etc. And obviously there's individual stories out there that aren't accurate that said, are you hearing about any sort of kind of major fake news, Twitter, bought sort of campaigns here in the US similar to what you mentioned in Brazil or is it the sort of thing? Do you think we're going to find out about a realise in hindsight, but we don't see, unfortunately, before we go to the ballot box. Well, we know that the platforms have uncovered some stuff. They said that they found his campaigns from CPAC doctors, they believe Iran and Russia that have been trying to meddle in the two thousand eighteen election's DOJ just press charges on someone from Russia who they believe was trying to meddle in the two thousand eighteen election's using social media. So we know it's happening right now, but we also know that the platforms are being a lot more vigilant. This time around not only using more content moderators, but also quite frankly, just better AI to get rid of some of this stuff. But of course not gonna catch everything. So I wouldn't be surprised if we find out a few months from now. Hey, there was an ongoing campaign from a state-backed actor, whether it's Russia or Iran to meddle in this year's election, that just to me seems like it's sort of an obvious thing that is probably gonna happen when we talk about a third -tarian regimes when we talk about Saudi Arabia, places like that. Is there an argument to be made that a company like Facebook should simply say, we're not doing business. There are platforms not gonna run there either because the government has abused the privilege of it or because we don't think our platform will operate the way it should in your country. There's absolutely a case to be made for that one. Facebook has banned some military officials in Myanmar from using some of its platforms because they've found that they've been abused but to and I talked to academics yesterday and the few days leading up to that piece. They were saying, look, Facebook is a company and not just Facebook, Twitter and other social media platforms that were born in the United States and were created under the guise of a government that is democratic and is not, you know, one where they had to intimidate some of these really autocratic abuses. And so when you go into a government in Myanmar or Saudi Arabia or elsewhere. You have to -ticipant ways that your platform is going to be abused. And what these researchers were saying is that they don't think that these platforms anticipated how bad the problem would be if they had they would have had more content moderators, they would have waited till they're AI was better. They would have waited quite frankly until they had better services translated into other language. We've hearing cases were Facebook help or flagging bad content isn't even translated into the native language where the abuses being performed. So I definitely think that Facebook 'and other platforms, Twitter, etc. Need to be thinking about what is the most prepared. I can be before a head into a new country where quite frankly, the regime might be oppressing people with technology. If you've got an election coming up soon in your country, go to my space and nothing, but my space, my final two after this axios gives you the news and analysis. You need to get smarter faster on the most important topics and are unique, smart, brevity format. We cover topics from politics to science and. Media to tech subscribe to get smarter faster at sign up dot, axios dot com. And now back to the podcast. Now it's not for my final two, and we go back to Saudi Arabia for this future investment initiative conference that kicked off earlier today. Now this is an event. We have talked a lot about in about how all these big western business and political leaders pulled out last week, do the kashogi murder. But the most notable holdout so far was Masayoshi sun CEO of SoftBank a huge investment firm that raised forty, five billion dollars from the Saudis to back big tech companies like Uber and we work now SoftBank still refuses to comment publicly, but the Wall Street Journal this morning reported that Masa will no longer speak, although maybe he'll still attend and talk to people on the sidelines. Again, SoftBank won't say they won't even say if he got on a plane. The bottom line here is that Masa is one of the most daring executives and technology. If not businesses a whole, he lost almost all his fortune and the dot com. Crash gained it back through a very smart investment early on baba, and then reinvested started going bigger. When a lot of other people would have gone home this time though. Oh, he's refused to publicly either support or criticizes partner. He's followed instead of lead and it's the opposite of the bold behavior. He had been known for finally, yesterday in Columbus, I met with a company called ready robotics, which is building kind of windows, like operating system for factory robots. Basically, it lets people on the factory floor easily program all those robotic arms without using complicated code or devices. They use a touchscreen with a flow chart on it anyway. This company was originally based in Baltimore, so I asked the CEO why it had decided to relocate and grow in Columbus. And his answer was simple customers. He says, most of America's factories are still in the midwest, and at worst a day's drive from Columbus. And it's the sort of tech business. He said that would really struggle to succeed on the coast, which is where almost all of other tech companies refused to leave, and we're done big, thanks for listening to my producers. Tim show vers and Adam Garcia have a great national Boston cream pie day. Go Red Sox beat the dodgers tonight and we will be back. Tomorrow with another Barada podcast.
Tinker Twitter Saudi Spies
"It's Thursday November seventh. If spies using twitter was a problem. What if spies worked at twitter? We start here. The government limit charges to former twitter employees with working for foreign government in theory. Twitter knows where you tweet from and that might be of interest to somebody trying to track down now. The information they were allegedly asked to dig up and who it was supposed to go to mark your calendars for the first time in his impeachment inquiry. We are going to seek key witnesses coming before cameras. Impeachment is about to go under the bright lights and protesters spreading but in one country. They become deadly. You could say that it's an Arab spring spring two point. Oh the spark that set off best demonstrations and how they could get even worse from. ABC News this start here Brad. Milkey tuff shed has been around for over four decades and has installed over one million buildings complement your home with a shed or a garage. Josh Studio and other innovative models check them out at Tuff shed dot com every time. There's a data breach in this country. Companies tried tried to assure you. Listen your privacy is our utmost concern. Everyone in the world deserves good privacy protection. We've made it easier to understand what information we have Howard getting and how we use it and we're going to continue to innovate here but that can ignore one central fact the fact that employees can potentially be part of the problem and those employs. Louise are already in. We've seen incidents before from employee spying. On exes to Edward snowden revealing government contractors had access to vast amounts of data Atta will. Yesterday we learned that federal prosecutors have charged people that worked at twitter saying they just didn't know around the system. They were actively collecting dirt for the Saudi government. This is a story with big implications for social media but also national security. ABC Senior Investigative Reporter. Aaron Katersky is been looking through this indictment at a San Francisco Cisco and so Aaron. What exactly are the allegations and the allegations are the two former twitter employees were spying for Saudi Arabia? They were working. Being it twitter they were cultivated by a an official who has ties to the Saudi royal family offered gifts or money and and recruited for what prosecutors allege was an various purpose to spy on the twitter accounts of known critics of the Saudi government. So so what kind of data would the Saudis want like. Why Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia certainly likes to crack down on critics. Jamal Kashogi last seen walking into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to CIA has determined a hit squad of Saudi operatives killed him there. One of them reportedly packing Abon saw. It shows this case. Does that the effort to silence critics under the present regime started very early on according to prosecutors these former twitter employees Ali so Bara and off Matab Lomo accessed more than six thousand accounts counts of Saudi critics and they were able to get an astonishing amount of personal information. But but like so. What are they trying to collect? They're just trying to collect a digest of. Oh look at all these these mean things. This person said or what I'm struck an. I didn't quite realize this but in reading through the the criminal complaint you understand exactly the kind of data that twitter collects on its users information about the user like user provided email addresses birth dates phone numbers but also internet protocol addresses. Ip The address so in theory twitter knows where you tweet from and that might be of interest to somebody trying to track you down will and so. This raises the question that I mean. Does this happen at lots of like an anti social media employees. Look up stuff about me and then funnel to whomever they want. They're not supposed to read the terms of employment at twitter specifically prohibited and I would imagine agit other social media companies as well and that's why according to the criminal complaint bread they were doing this under the radar and it started according to the criminal complaint as as soon as one of these former twitter employees met with a Saudi official and was given a watch valued at upwards of thirty five thousand dollars right right after that meeting is when this former employees according to the complaint started looking up the private user information of people full of interest to the Saudi royal family. They were doing this and then one of them at least Finding out he was under suspicion ended up hopping a plane to Saudi Arabia Arabia with his family and along the way informed his employer. He was resigning. So he's he gone on Wow uh-huh and so in a country like Saudi Arabia where twitter may be the only outlet the dissidents have the Saudi royal family knew where to find these as critics and specifically look for favourable employees at twitter to try and get the accounts they wanted and you can tell employees not to do this but the question is can they do it if they wanted to. Twitter tells us in a statement. We are thankful to the Justice Department. They say they limit access. Too sensitive account information to a limited group of trained vetted employees in that they have the tools in place to protect the rights of people that try to hold powerful government institutions accountable institution in this case though technically an ally of the United States Aaron. Thanks thank you it. It was June of nineteen seventy two when reports started trickling in that a break in at the Watergate. Hotel tell over the weekend five men were nabbed in the Democratic National Headquarters from there. It was nearly two years before the house began. Its official impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon. There's another four months of testimony votes and he still had not actually been impeached when he decided to beat them to resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow et for Bill Clinton. It took ten months from his denials of an affair to even arrive at impeachment proceedings. There was another three months before the full house. Vote with the public consequences. Quences of my actions are in the hands of the American people and their representatives in the Congress the Nixon was two years. Platinum was one year. Donald Trump called Ukraine in July July. It has been less than four months. And in that time. We've seen a whistle blower complaints. We've seen in the impeachment inquiry we've Seen closed-door depositions and yesterday we learned we are about to enter the final phase before an impeachment vote. We will begin our open hearings on the impeachment inquiry next week House intelligence chair. Adam Schiff announced that next last week a panel of witnesses will appear for public testimony got ABC senior Congressional correspondent. Mary Bruce on Capitol Hill Right now and so Mary can you. Just T- me up here. What is this this hearing gonNA look likely? What do we know? We know that now for the first time in his impeachment inquiry. We're going to see key. Witnesses coming before cameras laying out their case before the American people. We know a lot of what these key. Witnesses are going to say because many of them have already come in and answered questions for hours behind closed doors. But a lot of this Brad. What isn't about lawmakers necessarily getting the answers? It's about the American people evaluate the witnesses for themselves to make their own determinations about the credibility of the witnesses but also to learn first hand about the facts of the presence misconduct. This is about Democrats trying to make their case for the public to try and sway them one way or another and Democrats generally choose which witnesses come in right so which witnesses do they think lays the groundwork best early on well all you have to do is look at it. WHO's first up Bill Taylor? He's the former top American diplomat in Ukraine and Democrats think he is their strongest witness. That diplomat Bill Taylor testifying under subpoena that the in order to withhold. US military aid came directly from the president. We now just yesterday saw what he testified. Behind closed doors he details for investigators a quid quid pro quo to hold up key. Military aid until Ukraine agreed to investigate trump's political rivals and Democrats feel that his testimony essentially helps get to the heart word of the matter. Whatever Republicans do Mary because the Senate part of this whole thing is like a trial? The house side of things is kind of like a grand jury indictment right like the prosecutors bring up all this this evidence. The defense doesn't really get to do much unless the prosecutors allow them to Democrats who basically have to agree. They have been railing for weeks demanding. Actually what we are about to see they. They have been saying that this needs to be happening out in the open by. Golly they're going to do it do it in public. There's no reason why the American public should be able to watch this in real time live. Well it will be happening out in the open and the question is how are Republicans going to respond to this. Many of the president's top allies. Say they're already convinced they'd know the president. It didn't do anything wrong. What I can tell you about the trump policy towards Ukraine? It was incoherent. Depends on who you talk to. They seem to be incapable of forming a quid. Pro Quo Senator Lindsey Graham. The president's closest ally here on the Hill said. He's not even reading the transcripts that are now coming out from these closed door depositions but it will be interesting to see how they respond bond as Democrats. Try to lay out. Turn by turn all of these allegations about the president's alleged misconduct and it really is those public hearings when people go under growth when they're in front of the cameras that both sides then have to listen to their constituents to see how it's playing 'cause they're gonNA have to vote Pretty Soon Mary Bruce Thank you. Thanks the next start here. WHO's behind that grizzly ambush in Mexico? Our team is on the ground. The customers know Tuff shed for storage buildings that outperform the competition for for decades and more than one million building sold tuff shed offers much more than great sheds complement your home with Garages Studios and other innovative models. All tuff shed buildings come. 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Actually I should say. They were shocked here in the estates but people in Mexico even some of those who survived this incident. Say This is not isolated. This is the reality right now of living Narko country recently. It's been getting worse. ABC's chief National Affairs correspondent. Tom Yomas in Sonora. Mexico has actually been the scene of the shooting. I know it's tough perception out there but Tom. If you can hear me do we know anymore about who actually committed this attack conclude hoop you brad. But the family Mexican officials are convinced and been these were Perot cartels that used violence on the incident and children but the government and the families do disagree at one point Mexican officials think what happened. Was this family was traveling and vis a lot of narcotraffickers those SUV's to get around this remote country. The Mexican officials believe that maybe some some libel drug gangs thought that somebody was entering their territory so they started shooting bugles and they literally just rental car with bullets. They did that I don't no no. But they had to have known that it was women and children because they were they fire from the from the hilltop where they could see that the car broke down they could see wittman women and children getting in and out of the car. This is what we think that one of the cartels you did this to send a message to essentially start anew battle in an ongoing war that's been going on between two drug cartels in the northwest part of Mexico essentially Baird said we're bonds and it's evil. War was so they're even insane. This this goes beyond this one family that even though a lot of people started paying attention when you know this American family was attacked this is is almost the norm in that part of the country. It is and we're learning the war as we speak with more family members and some of the relatives essentially acknowledged to us that in this area one of the drug cartels is the law and to be actually provides protection to some of the citizens but if you cross them you end up dead so were you ever gone to war with these people literally now and you call them out before four. Did you ever think the violence would reach this level. Not Really I mean. I don't think anybody can imagine I mean what kind of men can even call themselves. Men Women enjoy owner. And the we we believe that they intentionally they are speaking out against the drug cartels. They do not support the girl cartels they tell me they definitely don't sell drugs. It's against their religion against what they I believe You got to understand out at this compound and we're talking about you know. Hundreds of people that are that are all connected in one way or another whether it be by their faith or through an extended family and they've been here for decades. The moment came over to their explained to me to to sort of fleetwood. They called religious persecution Utah and they said up massive quality in northwestern Mexico. What happened over the years was he's cartels formed? They got more and more powerful. This is a very remote area One expert told me that the nearest military bases Acer's three hours away. There's a few police officers to sort of take care of thirteen hundred people and they actually want the Americans intervene. They do want the American military here the dual citizens their Mexican a US citizens but they want the firepower because they say nobody nobody out the cartels in this area. ooh I walked around vehicle and opened the door and there was a car scene and there was a borehole through the the canopy on the on the on the Corsi. We opened the Cabbie. The baby's smile. Ns so you mentioned you spoke to the family. I saw the even spoke to a relative who found a child who somehow survived in their car. Seat I mean what do you do if your this family. 'cause they might have American passports. But they consider this their homeland critically sad spoke with a woman Kendra filler. Who supposed supposed to get married in a few days? They were planning for wait. I'm so indignant so like I really can't say enough of how how horrified I and I and we all are but we were over there. Having this barred sort of Barbecue to sort of plan. These roles the first fuels will be today. Two of the families of the mothers and their children will be buried Stern Nexico and the family going to have to decide a Lotta. These are GonNa have to decide what they're going to do. What did they stay put Loyd or they ended up moving on people are gonNA watch it and they're going to say we used to live out here? I know children's so cleared the drug cartel honestly at some. That's how there's been some talk amongst smuggles of my my family living here of thinking actually about moving out because it started to escalate a little ways for them was sort of a point of bill returned harvest this date this they had crossed the Rubicon Tai-bo violence while and like you said the first funerals begin today. Thomas thank you thank you. mm-hmm told you yesterday about the tensions around Iran on and its nuclear program. We talked about the chaos in Syria now for months but in other parts of the Middle East people are furiously protesting about issues closer to home. The government announced that they wanted to put a tax on. What's and that just sent everyone over the edge? Last week we talked about has citywide protests in Beirut led led to the ouster of the Lebanese prime minister over in Iraq the coffins have to more of the victims of this bloody week would take in this afternoon for burial. Real people are dying in fact dying by the hundreds as security forces crack down on them want to go to ABC's mcgarry he's based in the Middle East. He's actually been watching some of this play sleigh out right outside his window in Beirut so matt you've also been any rock recently. Can you describe what is happening in these countries right now. What both countries are going through right now now are kind of similar in the way that it's people rising up and protesting against their government leaders? The protesters have been driven by a profound sense. It's of hopelessness. The people on the streets a young educated and they're fed up of having a complete lack of any prospects. They're angry with the government's that they see is entirely corrupt. They have a complete inability to deliver basic public services like reliable electricity running water. AWW people see their leaders living literally high off the HOG driving around in super expensive cars private jets and they are are living with less and less but the government would know even high street sweepers and then when the government turns around says. Hey we're sorry. The countries broke. You'RE GONNA have to pay more taxes. People get really upset now. The difference is that in Lebanon here in in Beirut The protests have taken on a kind of party atmosphere. You know you've had a lot of people on the streets than a lot of music playing in the streets and people dancing thing in on the police have to fight calm and respected people's ability to protest in public whereas in Iraq. Now it's been very brutal. We've seen people gunned down in the street. The security forces police and the army have been firing live rounds at protesters as volleys of take us. Also there's been a lot of violence on the part of protesters as well L. Burning Down Party headquarters and they've been The attack the Iranian embassy and the UN. It says that in Iraq at least two hundred seventy five people have been killed so far in these demonstrations with thousands more injured and and you mentioned they burn down the Iranian embassy. It sounds like these protesting the Iraq really had become about Iran. Why ever since the? US left Iraq. They pulled the troops out back. During the Obama Administration Iran has made a real concerted effort to try and get in Iraq is as a reliable ally L. I. exposed long simmering resentment at Iran's influence in the country with protesters now targeting Shiite political liberal parties and the militias that have close ties to Tehran. They say that their government ministers are just simply employees of Iran. And they feel like they don't don't have any sovereign control over their own nation in their own. Destiny is the moment they had been waiting for and on the Eighteenth Day of civil unread ear and President Mubarak has resigned. Meant when you look back to the Arab spring uprisings in Syria and Yemen and Egypt jumped around the Mediterranean a everywhere except Lebanon and Iraq. Right I mean these places did not have these types of uprisings. Why them why now is this a new kind of Arab herbs spring? It'll yeah I think you could say that. It's an Arab Spring two point Oh there are other countries across the Greater Middle East. Stretching off into northern Africa even security not forces in Sudan have fired tear gas to break up protests he began setting up barricades in the capital. Khartoum countries like Sudan and Algeria which have had successful successful changes in government after many months of protests and in Lebanon in Iraq. I think you know you're looking at countries which missed the first round but people people are just really fed up now with what they see is inability of their leaders to actually govern and they're demanding change and again if you years back. The countries that had the biggest revolutions also had some of the most violence against protesters Iraq. Almost three hundred people killed in the course of a month at these demonstrations that mcgarry in Beirut thank you all right thanks Last thing hockey season you may know is officially underway and recently people watching the Los Los Angeles kings saw what that means stitched up and he also lost his very first tooth due to hockey injury. This player gets his tooth knocked out and then in the most hockey thing ever be swallowed dents. To this week I got the chance to talk to. ESPN's David Fleming. Who recently took a deep dive on what it takes to be an NHL NHL team? Dentist each team actually has a full time. Dentist that sits near the bench. And this is a prestige job Bob Dentistry. You can imagine a lot of your buddies whitening teeth and given fillings two teenagers. You are operating on some of the craziest mouths in the world that swing at the missing right. They're those white little specks that are falling down the ice or james kneels teeth so loest arenas most hockey arenas there are actual dentist chairs. Where where they can do triage treatment during games when we say triage we mean these guys are going right back out onto the ice? You lost his teeth. I'm Ari lemming actually talk to the team. Dentist for the Tampa Bay lightning. Who wants to the combined fifty hours of work on one player who missed one game? Aim You sit there on the bench. Like what's in their tool kit. Then it's it's pretty medieval. I mean it is like pliers. A file will a thing described gums. And then he's not plot the literal pliers. Look like right I. It's okay it's dental players Orvieto. Would you like me to say medical pliers. But they're basically Liars Smith. Up His tooth to the trainer for the obvious question is why. Why don't players wear more protection from the pucks and sticks and fists wanting says it's mostly a cultural thing that dentist he says was once mistaken for trust passer because he had all of his teeth in the dressing room just been looked like he belonged but when I asked why players just I don't know can't wear mouth guards? He said Oh those those will protect you from concussions and I mean the mouth guards end up being basically just a collection trays for the teeth. When they fall out I'm going to pursue typically ended there for you because David can talk about these dental operations for hours you can check? ESPN DOT com more from US always on twitter at start here. ABC Pregnancy Komo top. 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"The Corona virus outbreak is threatening global supply chains for cars clothing smartphones. There's another crucial one at risk right now. The world's pharmacy China controls about ninety percent of the global supply of the core chemicals to make medicines also on the show today five years on a Russian assassination remains unsolved who killed political activists bars. Nemtsov one of the things about themselves. Slaying THAT SHOCKS. The conscience was how breezing and how public it was. You know he was killed unabridged. Just steps from the Kremlin and villages and towns across. France are facing a huge problem. Nobody wants to be the mayor. I have no clue what the myth of responsibility or help is we. I don't think people inform enough of how much work it is. I'm Marco Werman those stories and more today on the world I'm Marco Werman and you're with the world thanks for making it today. Muslims across the globe have been planning for months and saving thousands of dollars for this moment the hajj pilgrimage to holy sites in Saudi Arabia. It's an obligation for able Muslims to make this trip at least once in their lives but this year with the corona virus plans may change the Saudi government announced a ban on foreign pilgrims to its holiest sites shake Yasser Holiday was planning to visit Saudi Arabia. He's a Muslim theologist in Dallas Texas. I don't think there's anything that can explain to you. What those crowds. Or if you've not been in one I've done around twenty pilgrimages in my life and the explain to you there are crowds there that you have never seen the diversity. The sheer quantity of people the chaos that ensues. Because as you're aware people come from all over the globe there's language barriers there's different ethnicities and of course the spaces are very tight. So you're talking about two to three million people going to around five or seven sites where they keep on going place to place and they're all walking or on motorbikes or on buses or on cars and the crowd is absolutely overwhelming right. So what is your reaction to the news at? Saudi Arabia says it will not allow Muslims from other countries to Mecca Medina. Well do realize that. This is not a permanent ban right now. We don't know what's happened with Hutch. This is a temporary ban on some countries. For the o'meara anytime you go outside of the mandatory season. It's called an Omaha so we're kind of in limbo. We don't know what's going to happen when it comes to the Hutch season in three months. We don't know yet so we are confused. We are flustered. We are a little bit worried and scared all put together. What is your biggest worry? What like what are you scared of? I'm organizing a pilgrimage organized pilgrimages and hutches and I'm taking a group of one hundred fifty American Muslims for the pilgrimage. Actually more than that and if that's canceled is going to be very disappointing for all of us like it said a genuine worry that people have saved for years. People have wanted to go for the pilgrimage. And that's not going to happen if they do plan to cancel though the pilgrimage. What happens to all that investment that they've made as just kind of up in smoke? I think I think we're going to get a large amount of refund. Because they're not going to be going so I think that's not the issue. The issue is the psychological the impact now in America. We don't have a visa quota. We can go any year but do realize for most Muslim countries to get the hajj. Visa is not necessarily something that is going to happen anytime they wanted. It said it's a quota system and so you have to apply for the visa. It is potentially possible that if they don't go for this year there might not be able to go for a number of other years despite the fact that they got the visa this year so I don't know how that would work out. In other countries we know generally that viruses spread easily and crowds and everything we know about the corona virus suggests it thrives in a crowd. Had you worried about this before the outbreak so around a decade ago? There was a meningitis outbreak and There was a lot of concern. That meningitis might be might be causing issues in the hedge and the Hajj Ministry required all of us to take special shots when we went for the pilgrimage And they continued to require that for a number of years so this isn't the first time where these types of fears have occurred. However I think obviously it's understood the current a virus a different threat level and understandably. There's a lot of consternation amongst all of us myself included. We should really make clear that cleanliness and hygiene is I mean. It's a central Tenet of Islam like five times a day right. Muslims are definitely people who are very concerned about physical hygiene by the way. There's a very interesting point here. And that is the facemask when you're in pilgrim. When you're actually wearing the pilgrimage uniform a lot of people will be hesitant to wear a face mask and I think Saudis to take that into account because technically speaking. You're not supposed to cover your face in the pilgrimage. You're supposed to show humility your hair and your face for men should be open completely to show your humility to got an. Even though of course medically speaking you would be allowed to take any means necessary to protect yourself. So there's no problem at your to wear a face mask. Medically speaking still a lot of pilgrims would feel uncomfortable or awkward that they've spent so many thousands of dollars and now they're being told they have to wear a face mask and they might feel a pious inclination to not do so so while the decision to ban many foreign pilgrims to Mecca. Might upend your own tour plans. You understand the rationale. I fully understand it and I will. I will respect any decision that is made in good faith and these are difficult times and these are new a threats and we want to protect the people and in our religion. God is forgiving and merciful of if not able to go for Hodgson. It's not going to be a burden. Anybody we firmly believe that God does not place a burden on us. More than what we can bear shake Yasser Holiday a Muslim theologist in Dallas. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me one of the hard sober facts of the corona virus outbreak. Is this. It's epicenter is in the world's second largest economy China's supplies a world was so much stuff autoparts high tech components furniture. You name it and pharmaceuticals. Many countries are deeply dependent on China for medicine. The United States among them Rosemary Gibson is author of China are ex the risks of America's dependence on China for medicine. I asked her. Just how reliant the? Us is China for drugs? We're so dependent on China for Madison. That if they shut the door within months are hospitals and pharmacies would be seeing shortages because China controls about ninety percent of the global supply of the core chemicals to make. Madison's sounds like a pretty high dependency and the Food and Drug Administration says it identified about twenty drugs that are solely sourced for their active ingredient or completely manufactured in China. What are those drugs? And how critical are they for Americans? The FDA hasn't released that fully list. But we do know that there's a tuberculosis drug pre mizen that is solely sourced in China. The other thing that we see is that when a single plant may go off line in China that could trigger a global shortage. That happened with a very important antibiotic several years ago. Are there any shortages of drugs or things that we know are a direct result of the outbreak of corona virus in terms of medicines? That has not been reported. And I believe that companies would be very reluctant to say that in a public sere so as not to cause panic. And also you know price-gouging so one result of the covert nineteen outbreak is that the FDA can't go to China to carry out routine inspections of drug and medical supply firms Apparently about one hundred scheduled inspections for February and March have been put on hold. How do you feel about that? It's a problem certainly but I think this is just a sign of the time to come. I believe it's going to be months before. Fda inspectors will go to China because the infectious disease outbreak is going to continue and the other reason is inspectors volunteer for these assignments. They can't be required to say you have to go to China I. It's been challenging for them to have employees. Choose to go there. Just because it's a very long trip as opposed to doing an inspection in the United States or Western Europe. So I was just reading that there is no penicillin manufactured Eddie more than the United States. When did this manufacturing shift to China of Medicine Happen to biggest shift began to occur after the? Us opened up free trade with China in two thousand and joined the WTO in two thousand and one in two thousand and four. The last penicillin plant closed around that same period last vitamin C. Plant closed last aspirin plant closed while Congress seems to be taking notice of this dependency. Republican senator. Josh Hawley of Missouri has introduced a bill to reduce. Us reliance on China for prescription drugs and other medical supplies. What would you think really ought to be an ability that the bill should include funding for public private partnerships to invest in advanced manufacturing of essential generic drugs completely made from beginning to end no dependence on any country and then make them available to government departments such as the Department of Defense the VA and a strategic national stockpile? At least to get started. So how much do we rely? On China for the manufacture of drugs and medical supplies that are needed to treat Americans who may be exposed in the future or contract over nineteen for patients who are seriously ill and require hospitalization which thankfully is a very small percentage for Madison's to be sedated if you have to be on a ventilator or a few have shocker have serious bacterial infection ninety percent of the raw materials to make those basic generic medicines depend on China sources. So what are you most worried about right now? As a corona virus outbreak continues to unfold. What I'm worried about is that we will not use this. As an opportunity to make the investment in domestic manufacturing. If we don't do it now where there's at least sustained interest for several weeks. I'm not sure if we'll have another chance to do it. In advance of another event that will surely occur Rosemary Gibson the author of China Rx risks of America's dependence on China for medicine. Thank you very much thank you. You can imagine how stressful it must be working in award. With Corona virus patients in China medical professionals have been combating the disease since December and many care providers are fried physically and emotionally. Some of those health workers are reaching out to telephone hotlines for support. And the counselors. Who answer are not always in. China urging swe is a Seattle based psychotherapist. She volunteers for a crisis. Hotline called Young Kanji translates to use heart to fight the virus from base in Washington State. She's taking calls for medical workers in China who need emotional support. Some of the Causa would getting help focus being very stressed out there. It's Ostad some of the causes gets some people was suicidal. And they're on the phone because they're so stressed out there worry about their families because when they wet in the hospitals they have to stay away for families for safety reasons. And how busy is the hotline asking for Mental Health? It's more of a newer idea especially using a hotline to call. There still needs to be a lot of awareness cray medical staff right now the so busy. They're fighting just as a nice so we might anticipate some of the psychological jossef feelings. My come up either later. After the crisis God buses right now but we in the midst of phone so if you get a call from somebody in China who is completely overwhelmed. The doctors say who's been working several twenty four hour shifts. How do you respond to them? Yeah that's a really good question so you want to provide a space emotional space for them. They probably not looking for any type of advice of these right away when when they pick you and they really overwhelmed so our number one thing it's true provide the space and see how we can support them if we feel like they are also over to a point you know when not shy of their safer. Were also do some assessments to see if father steps needs to be taken so basically the number one thing is not to really give advice necessarily but to make people feel comfortable that they can talk. Is that helping yes sleazy? I'm Paul Dear. Is Our nurse calling to say can sleep at night because they're so anxious ray and typically you would think they'll just go to sleep and recover but if the kids sleep due to Dress that's not good but after the talk with us they feel a little better and went and went to bed. So that's something that we could do. Well that definitely scans with this hashtag how to deal with feeling very anxious at home it's been trending on the Social Media Platform Way. Wa so there's anxiety as he say but after several weeks in self imposed quarantine in an apartment. What does boredom due to one psyche? It was a lot of discussion off. Like what what you can do at home if you're home while they are something that you could do to feel more productive instead of you know thinking about the coral by some worrying about it all the time. We've also heard that people in addition to calling crisis hotlines that people are turning to friends and relatives for support. Do you think this human connection is Maybe a silver lining to this dark corona virus cloud off. Course I think human connection. It's everything professional. Support can only do so much right. And that's when the human connection that we have a row as are the people that surrounded every really know us and if you're lucky that you have loved ones that can support you. Of course that would be my number one choice urging three is a psychotherapist in Seattle where? She's been volunteering to pick up the calls on a crisis hotline from medical workers in China urging. Thank you for speaking with us. Thank you so much. You're with the I'm Marco Werman. You're listening to the world Europe's most polluting power. Plants says it will stop burning coal next year. That is four years ahead of a British government ban on call in the UK. The drax power station in Yorkshire England has been shifting away from coal for the past decade today the company. Ceo Will Gardner announced what he called. The end of call at drax misses a major milestone on our journey to becoming a carbon negative company. In the course of ten years we will have moved from reporting emissions of more than twenty two million tons of co two per year to era the move mirrors. What's happening all across the UK? The country that unleash big-time coal burning. During the industrial revolution is among those moving away from it. The fastest government taxes on carbon subsidies for renewables and an influx of cheaper gas have all offset dirty burning call today the UK gets just about two percent of its electricity from coal. The drax power plants still operates. It's just using a different source of fuel wood pellets. These pellets. They tour guide Jane breach. Says they look like something you might feed a horse savvy. Colin tiny those pony nuts are sourced largely from American lumber but the folks of the drax power plants say their new operation is carbon neutral. Here's C. O. Will Gardner again. By converting drax power station from coal to sustainable mile mass. We are now close to completing the largest decarbonisation project in western Europe critics say burning wood encourages deforestation and that is not the definition of carbon-neutral. Some studies have found burning. Wood adds carbon to the atmosphere in the short and medium-term but if our is our replanted sustainably in the long term battle against climate change. That's still better than continuing to burn coal. You know the stories about estates or old farms across Europe in need of caretakers. Well in rural French towns. You might start seeing stories. In a similar vein. The need for mayor French voters are heading to the polls to elect new mayors and city councils but in many French towns and villages. The races are anything but competitive. In fact it's not unusual to find towns where nobody is even running and that is an existential threat for these places. Rebecca Rosman begins his next story in a small village in Normandy where the outgoing mayor is desperately seeking a successor is Emmerson oldies picnic. Sales to GAL is the mayor of Fidel known. A hamlet of two hundred fifty people two and a half hours from Paris over Little Dick me around the Medieval Centre with charming winding roads a beautiful gothic church that dates back to the twelfth century. A thousand year old fortress stores forgotten on is about as rural as it gets no cafes restaurants not even a pharmacy to is proud of the place. He's been running for more than twelve years but he has a big problem. The seventy one year old is determined to retire from his post as the mayor of. You'll know mail buddy says as of now. Nobody wants to replace him if he can't find a successor. The town runs the risk of disappearing from the map. Literally forgotten loan is one of dozens if not hundreds of French towns and villages facing this predicament. In some regions around forty percent of towns. Don't have a single candidate to replace. The outgoing mayor becomes a very desperate situation. Believe gurry settled in Fogelman. Ten years ago Info Gilman. There are eleven spots on the local council and an additional post for mayor. Only nine candidates are on the ballot and nobody is stepping forward to be the new mayor. If post remained vacant commit march fogelman will likely be swallowed up by another town. Nothing too many people want to belong to another commitment. Gory is one of the nine people on the ballot. Though he doesn't think he's up for the task of mayor. I have no clue what the responsibility or help is we. I don't think people informed enough of how much work it is or what the daily tasks are. These are important questions especially given. There's no salary for French. Mayors only a monthly allowance which varies depending on the town size in towns like fully alone. The mayor gets around five hundred a month for with basically a fulltime job. It's not enough it's not enough Evelyn. Jira done is the outgoing mayor of some Al Town. Are you a nearby village? Most of a retired all the avenues job so they have enough to leave. But it's not normal. Pay The sixty five year old says the French government should turn me oral post into full time salaried positions like Germany to attract better talent after holding an open house. Geel don managed to put together a team of candidates including a mayor in December. But she's worried. The incoming team lacks the necessary experience. None of them have worked in local government before the new incoming mayor is a farmer. They don't know exactly what to expect. They don't do a tour and I'm afraid of sat back in full gear loan. It's another quiet day in town and for the outgoing mayor still still to. Gal says his duties can be anything from getting a herd of cows off the road to knowing how to manage the town's yearly budget about two hundred thousand euros that pays for things like village road repairs and an annual village celebration of et. Two more on to Gal says being mayor is a moral responsibility from the moment you wake up in the morning. You're thinking about the village and there's always something that needs to be done without new people stepping up for local government posts to girl says he thinks the village will likely disappear within the next ten years. And he's presumption the four of us. I MEET ALL. This is an old village. It's a thousand years old. We don't want to lose that history. He says that's why to Gal says he'll spend the next month continuing to call up local residents trying to convince somebody to embrace the title of Map for the world. I'm recor Osman. In fogiel known France in Africa and the Middle East locus are continuing to swarm to Macedo with the UN food agency explained the scope of the problem to give you an idea a locus form that is as large as one square kilometer can eat the equivalent over food of. Thirty five thousand people. All of this is raising the risks of famine. But there's a new weapon in the fight ducks one hundred thousand of them. Why Chuck I hear you ask? Well a single duck and eat more than two hundred locusts a day by way of comparison. Chicken only eats about seventy locus. Good to know the Lucas have crossed into Pakistan and neighboring China's offering to send some ducts. But there's a question about whether the ducks can withstand Pakistan's arid climate so start small. I I will be a trial run if that goes well. A Chinese official says hordes of ducks could be sent to Pakistan's most impacted areas. You're listening to the world. Us forces in Afghanistan rely on local interpreters and not just for communication really honestly. We trusted with their lives in a frequently. Put themselves in harm's way. I know in my case on multiple occasions. My life was saved by my interpreter but doesn't Herp enters targets and the VISA PROGRAM. That could give them safety as a huge backlog at story just ahead on the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world. We're CO PRODUCTION OF THE BBC World Service W. G. B. H. NPR ex. President trump wants out of Afghanistan. How that could happen remains unclear? It could lead to a lot of collateral damage consider the thousands of Afghans who helped the US military a US withdrawal could expose them to revenge from a newly empowered Taliban. The world's Monica Campbell reports on the impact through the eyes of one Afghan man who helped the US. Muhammed use his middle name. He says he now feels increasingly trapped in Afghanistan with no clear exit. Hello can you hear me? Yes can you hear me Poor connection hold on I'm connecting to Mohammed over skype. Trying to at least he lives an armed. Waldorf compound in Kabul. We finally connect. Is this a better connection? Yes are you. I'm good. How are you? Muhammad's life changed. After a cricket match it was two thousand and six in Afghanistan and he was translating the match into English through loudspeaker members of the US military. Route the game to and after Muhammed says of you guys came up and asked if he wanted to work for them. They need somebody who is really good in English and they want the interpreter to work as translator. The job paid well and offered the promise of A. Us Visa called a special immigrant visa or SL. It's for people in Afghanistan or Iraq who've helped the US military and face danger because of their work. Mohamed is one of those people but he's been waiting for a visa for nearly a decade. Getting it is urgent. The work he does makes him a target of groups like the Taliban and he tells me about this one time when he arranged a meeting between top. Us OFFICIALS IN TRIBAL LEADERS. The media covered it and there was Mohammed on TV. Where even we were on CNN to after that he started getting death threats. I got anonymous calls and say that. Hey you know we saw you on television and we can chew. You've been surely be a killed and we'd they would slit my throat today. Mohammed helps the US train Afghan national security forces and he lives with them on site. He visits his wife and children in secret. When can tag along with an armed convoy leaving the compound they'll drop them off at a remote spot near his family's village victim be quick Taliban checkpoint anywhere we hide or faces while walking and travelling and telling nobody about our movements despite the danger of the Work Mahomet does for the US military his visa application continues to be delayed he feels abandoned. Why the delays hearing about these DELAYS MAKES. David Smyth angry. He was with the US special forces in Afghanistan and worked with interpreters. He doesn't know Muhammad but he says the work that people like him did was crucial. Really honestly we trusted with their lives and that frequently have put themselves in. Harm's way I knew in my case on multiple occasions my life was saved by my interpreter. Well Smyth is now safely back in the. Us Muhammad and thousands of others like him are stuck in Afghanistan. At Least Fifteen. Thousand visas are still pending. Approvals have plummeted under the trump administration. The delays in the processor are not acceptable. That's Betsy Fisher. She's with the International Refugee Assistance Project. Government data shows that it still takes several years to process the average application. Her group sued the State Department to speed up processing delayed visas a judge ruled in their favor and recently gave the. Us government thirty days to submit a plan to do that. The State Department wouldn't go on tape but a spokesperson sent a statement. He said that they take the threats. People like Mohammed face seriously but that processing visas can take time for Smyth. There's no excuse for delays on visas for the locals who worked with him. They're in it. One hundred percent of the time and the threat to their families and to them is real so their only way out after serving for so many years is the special immigrant visa while he waits Mohammed works at the security forces compound still under a US contract. I asked him. Why doesn't he quit working for the? Us government. He says that won't solve anything his links to the. Us military won't go away imprisoned. Wiki MORE AMERICANS THAN THAN THE REAL AMERICANS. We have put him. We said of the American lives our features. No future here not see it here and we can't make it here especially now. He says his resume is stacked with jobs linked to the military at a time when he says. The Taliban is regaining power in Afghanistan. And vilifying people like. Him who helped the United States for the World Monarchy Campbell? It's been relatively calm today in New Delhi. This week though. Close TO FORTY. People have been killed in hindu-muslim clashes. Their tensions have been simmering for months because of a law passed under prime minister. Narendra Modi's government and his party the BJP. The law provides an express pathway to citizenship for many religious minorities but not for Muslims. That could be a problem because India will soon have a national registry to check documents and now many Muslims in India are worried. They'll be declared illegal migrants now beacon is a Muslim student in Delhi. She's been protesting the new law. It's net lake. I have joined the protest. It's like it's my fight it's like I'm fighting for my identity. I'm fighting for my own existence. It's like no one can come and go. She my citizenship in discount entry. I was born here. My forefathers were born here and now some government is coming in there asking me to prove my citizenship. The Goldman veteran prove that they are Indian enough. Not Us. It's a democracy. People have been into bar okay. They don't have the right to question as well. When there's a risk that your citizenship will be taken away. I suspect that That prompts a lot of people to get out in the street protest. Describe just the scene today when you were out in. The streets protesting. What was that like? Just tell me what you saw. We have been protesting since December ten December. Every day. We are doing. This is like a sit in protest. It's a major roadblock in the national capital so people are they in a large number everyday lake at least seven to ten thousand people come there every day while that's enormous. Yeah so when you're on campus. What has the tension been like when you're not protesting how our Muslim and Hindu students dealing with each other right now. See that thinking is a Dan. We have a lot of Hindu population. Who are protesting with us for you. Know saving the Secur- security fabric of this country for save constitution but then there are people who are against us who denies than who tried to. You know any kind of violence. How safe do you feel right now? As a Muslim student in New Delhi doesn't leave any stone on done to suppress our protest. They toast there gashes on us. They threw stunned. Greenie donors what they did. Why was this attack was happening? They just kept watching. This show. Is that how Islamophobic policies how discriminatry atlases. What does an India actually look like under the new citizenship? Look I mean for you. What are you most worried about? Basically the idea of like you know. Bgp's of Rastafarian of Muslims have no place Muslims where the Muslim than a second class citizen. They never took Muslims as as citizens of this country. They take Muslim that some Some other like the they have been treated as the other so what they want to do is they want to systemic alienate. Muslims from two thousand fourteen when they came into power they basically normalized the hate towards Muslims in India. And now what they're doing is they're legalizing that he do. You still feel comfortable in India to be venue on us not anymore. Like I don't feel safe like it's like I am an identifiable Muslim. I wear hit like over my head. I'm the most notable person in India right now when I go out it's like I am always scared that someone will attack me for my identity. Someone believes me for my identity and no one will better than I. So it's like I will be killed some day and people will justify it. Will you continue to protest even with the risk of more violence? We have seen avoidance before that but the the is the worst that happened in my lifetime but then We were being detained. You'll be Lottie Dod. We were being Tear gas was was shelled upon us but people are very much did mind. Do Not Stop these presented. These acts are being revoked. Because it's about their existence. I think people will continue it. Even a protest dubbing continued even till now. I wasn't a protest today as well w communist student in New Delhi. Thank you very much. Thank you the check city of Prague renamed one of its streets today for Boris Nemtsov. It happens to be the street where the Russian embassy is located Nemtsov was a Russian opposition leader who organized widespread protests until he was shot and killed on the edge of Red Square in Moscow. Five years ago. Today many suspect the Kremlin was behind it. Daniel Balsam is the advocacy director of Europe and Central Asia with Amnesty International. First of all the Russian government has failed to come up with a credible explanation for themselves. Death or conducted meaningful investigation. But what really matters here? Is that Putin? Assume the post of Prime Minister I in nineteen ninety nine so over the past two decades. He's seated the system that he controls with incentives and expectations. Whoever pulled the trigger in ordered that the trigger be pulled had ample reason to believe that this team would be rewarded? And that's really a tragedy that is separate from the killing of Boris Nemtsov. And it's a tragedy that affects all Russians so five years on after themselves death. What's the status of his case? Now in two thousand seventeen five Chechen. Men were jailed for killing Boris Nemtsov. Amnesty International has documented credible allegations. That two of the men were tortured into confessing for their role in the murder. So this clearly. Some serious procedural ethical issues with the way in which this investigation has been conducted and really don't have substantial answers regarding what happened to Boris Nemtsov. Who pulled the trigger? Why in who ordered it? I mean the bars. Nemtsov case gives us pause today but Russia's human rights abuses are really not the thing people are focused on when it comes to the Kremlin's dark side it's really the continued meddling in US elections. A why should Americans be adjusted concerned about human rights abuses in Russia? Different people have different ideas of what the statistics look like. But let's say some very large percentage of the Russian population disagree with the policies that the Kremlin is undertaking that means disagreement with the Kremlin's foreign policy the Kremlin's domestic policy and they bravely great personal risk voiced their disagreement voice it by going out to protests when they know these protests will be violently dispersed. Day brave these risks while posting online? When they know that such actions can have in the past been punished by incarceration so they wanna see a different trajectory for Russia. It should not be the US policy the US government's policy to stand aside while people who oppose some of the Kremlin's worst excesses worst instincts in worst human rights abuses are thrown in prison in sadistically eaten and as endorse themselves. Case killed so Daniel. You're testifying at the Tom. Lantos Human Rights Commission about Russia's human rights abuses. What will you be talking about? And if lawmakers are listening what you want them to hear me speaking about the Russian government's policies in occupied Crimea. I think this is deeply relevant to what happened to Boris Nemtsov. One of the things about themselves slaying. That shocks the conscience was how brazen and how public it was. Putin's government has long made an implicit if exceedingly crafts bargain Republican. It's that the worst excesses of the Kremlin's governance will be kept away from their view. And so it's possible to arrest torture and kill scores of game as has happened in. Chechnya. And it's possible for the security services to surveillance silence an entire ethnic community. Like a Crimean Tatars. In occupied Crimean muggle. Speaking with policymakers is to say that these actions are related. What's happening in Crimea? Right now. Is Rushing governments active campaign to silence an ethnic group of individuals called Crimean Tatars who are opposed to Russia's occupation of Crimea annexation of Crimea and policies in Crimea. What is your prognosis for? How human rights in Russia kind of straighten out? I mean is it all dependent on Putin power? This is not a question of members of Congress. Passing one bill and this problem going away. This is a question of working with like minded allies with retaining credibility in multilateral institutions to push Russia to change but of course ultimate decisions about. How things will make will transpire rest in the hands of Russians and Russian officials and everybody understands this Daniel Balsam the advocacy director of Europe in Central Asia with Amnesty International. Speaking with about the human rights situation in Russia on the anniversary of the death of bars themself. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me work. Traveling the world has never been easier. Just get out. Google translate and you know exactly what that foreign menu says. Google translate is now expanding bean. John Bond. The shoe car today. Google added five new languages. Kinyarwanda Odia totter Turkmen. And we're out of those weaker. The language spoken in northwest. China caught my eye. Twelve million people speak it more than ninety percent of them live in China where Google translate is banned and that of course raises the question. Who WILL BE USING? Google? Translate four weaker. Maybe it's a PR move. Not long ago Google caught a lot of flack for trying to launch a censored search engine in China so supporting the weavers in China even linguistically is something of a rebuke to Beijing which has been waging a brutal crackdown on. Its weaker minority. Then again maybe this is simply about Google expanding worldwide access. To language a quick footnote the world receives funding from Google big weekend coming up for the Democratic presidential candidates South Carolina. Voters will weigh in on who they think the nominee should be. The Democratic Party is hoping for a clean vote. No Tech problems. No issues with voter registration. No foreign meddling. These are all big concerns this year. The world's Lydia Amana leaders at the annual RSA Cybersecurity conference in San Francisco and has been speaking with government officials and election security researchers about threats to the twenty twenty election. Lydia joins US now so lydia. Rsa Refers to the encryption technology that was built by the company RSA Data Security and they cosponsor this conference. What are you learning Lydia especially about the concern around voter? Registration Systems? Election security is top of mind for many people here and I'm learning a lot about the threat. Government agencies and private companies are thinking about as we're heading into next week One of the people we heard from his Chris Crabs. He's the head of an agency within the Department of Homeland Security. That's responsible for securing federal elections. It's called CISA that stands for cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. Chris Crept said that leading into twenty twenty his agency really ramped up their efforts to try to find the most vulnerable parts of our election system. The areas where information is centralized in. It's highly networked. That's where a lot of the risk is. And what does that voter-registration databases so Lydia? Why voter registration databases such a big concern. Their big concern because we know that they were target in two thousand sixteen. We know that Russian hackers tried to get into voter registration databases in many states and in at least a couple of cases they were actually successful. I've been speaking to many people at this conference and they all seem to think that we are better prepared than we've ever been to prevent these sorts of attacks because there's a lot more collaboration between local state federal officials and the intelligence community about these threats. There are also things like cybersecurity trainings for local security officials who are really the first line of Defense here years director crabs again with CISA. Two Thousand Sixteen was the first time. I think for the elected officials for the American public to truly understand that cyber could destabilize a democracy in. That's where we are right now. Lydia we do continue to hear big concerns about elections security from lawmakers in Washington What are some of the other potentially destabilizing things people at this conference in San Francisco are worried about one of the things that I've been hearing about is concerns about voting machines? I visited this thing here at the conference called the voting village. Basically it's this room. A bunch of voting machines that are being used in elections in the. Us Are there and people can go and play with them. Try to hack them. One of the people who started the voting village. His name is her STI. He's a Finnish computer programmer and security researcher and he heads this company called Nordic Innovation Labs and this is what he told me he was showing me all the voting machines. These mushrooms were designed at a time when Cyber War Science Fiction. Their security has not been really a consideration in this these signs. Some of the newer machines have introduced more. Security particularly is not something you can add. Afterwards cigarettes has to be part of the specification has to be part of the DNA of decide. Unfortunately especially it's don't have that part of DNA. So Marcus said a lot of these machines are old. A lot of them are running on old software. That makes them really vulnerable to hacking and also to glitches. This is something that security researchers are worried about. And it's why they've been pushing to have paper backups that we can audit the good old paper. Ballad. Finally Lydia concern or the types of disinformation campaigns. We saw in two thousand sixteen. There's still a really big concern will be signed. Two Thousand Sixteen was Russians working for you know the now infamous troll farm the IRA the Internet research agency. The weaponized social media to divide Americans on issues that we're already divisive like immigration. Gun Rights officials are really worried about more advanced social media tactics like using more sophisticated technology to spread these divisive messages. One less point I wanNA make Marco is that it can seem overwhelming to hear about all these threats to our systems but the fact that we're talking about them is a good thing and the election security researchers who know about you know some of the scariest threats out there. They'll be the first to tell you that that should not discourage anyone from voting. Ultimately the goal of these foreign interference operations is to undermine trust in our democracy letting the threat of interference prevent people from voting. That just achieves the goal of Russia or whatever other adversary? We're talking about the rules. Lydia Manley due at the RSA Cybersecurity conference in San Francisco. Thank you thanks Marco. Seventy five years ago this week the final throes of war were unfolding on a small island in the Pacific there. It is eight square miles of volcanic rock. The island lies seven hundred miles south of Tokyo. It was the first part of traditional Japanese territory to be invaded by. Us forces in World War Two. The Greatest United States four civil assembled in the Pacific closers on Iwojima eight hundred ships and thousands of small landing craft head for the island. Japanese resistance was ferocious and lasted more than a month. Gmo became a symbol of honorable defeat for many Japanese and the futility of war to others. Twenty one thousand. Japanese fought their only thousand survived. Cake Kanai was one of them in documentary a few years ago he described being trapped with a comrade under crumbling rocks nonetheless. Go as you'd. I kept telling him not to give up says can I that we would find a way out but the other man said it was hopeless in bed tonight to shoot him. Can I said he could not no human being could do such horrible thing. He said casualties on the US side. We're also heavy but the battle included this iconic moment on February twenty eight hundred nine hundred forty five marines raised the US flag atop mount. Dora Botchy as a signal to the tropes below that the mountain was one that flag was seen around the world that image of Marines raising the Stars and Stripes was one of the most famous of the war. The problem is the island is not called you will Jima. Secretary of the Navy Ramos visited the island of Iwo to- formerly known as Iwojima March. Twenty first for a ceremony commemorating the seventieth anniversary of the battle of You. Ajima that's a US Navy Public Affairs Program from two thousand fifteen. Yes the correct name for the island is e will not Iwojima. Both names mean sulphur island. It is volcanic but there are two ways to say the word island in Japanese toll and Shima the island's inhabitants called it. You will the confusion arises. From the fact that the Kanji or Japanese letter for island is the same for both tall and Shima Japanese commander looked at the map and mistakenly started saying you will. Shema the American simply copied them and soften Shema. Tajima then in two thousand and seven Japan changed the name back to you will at the request of the locals that angered both Japanese and American veterans even though to date no one has suggested changing the name of the battle it still the battle of Iwo Jima. That's where we leave you today from the Nanna Bill Harra studio at w. h. Here in Boston. I'm Marco Werman. We'll see you tomorrow. The world is a CO production of W. G. B. H. 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Who Hacked Jeff Bezos?
"Jeff bezos is a man with a lot of power. He founded Amazon. Owns The Washington Post and unless Amazon is having a bad day on the stock market. Jeff bezos is the richest man in the world. Being a powerful person can can often mean. You're a target and last week. Jeff bezos said he was at target a target of a hack that he says was done by Saudi Arabia. This is just the latest plot point in a long and complicated relationship between basis and the Saudi government today on the show the Saudi connection to Jeff Bezos. Welcome to the Journal. Our show about money business empower. I'm Ryan Awesome and I'm Caitlyn Baugh. It's Monday January twenty seven things weren't weren't always so complicated between Bazo in Saudi Arabia. Actually for a few years basis and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammad bin Salman seemed to be friends. The two met in two thousand sixteen. When bezos took a business trip to the country looking to see what opportunities there might be Amazon and the crown prince saw so the potential benefits of being friends with him if Mohammed bin Salman could form a public relationship with basis where they were seen together and they were seen as in the same universe I mean Mohammed could make himself like he's the kind of guy travels in the same services? Jeff bezos. It would help him and it would help his stature at home and abroad. This is Justin check. He covers finance. He's especially been focused on Saudi Arabia and Mohammed bin Salman New Vision for the country Mohammed bin. Some on early on he identified Amazon is company that he wanted to establish itself in Saudi Arabia. To help boost settier profile and economy and make it more of the country he admissions has planned out a five hundred billion dollar brand new city to be built from scratch and the idea was that it was going to be center for Innovation and they identified a number of anchor companies. They wanted to come there early on with the Greek government incentives the government paid billions dollars. Free land free ranked in all sorts of other incentives to bring them there to start creating jobs and to create innovative new. Corporate structures and Amazon was one of them. And do we have any sense of whether Bezos was on board with that plant the Prince and bazars personally discussed various plans to bring Amazon specifically Amazon web services to Saudi Arabia. They were talking about a deal where Amazon invested its own money. Maybe a billion dollars more of its own money building data centers in Saudi Arabia turning into a regional hub. which would have been a brand new thing for the kingdom and would have added a level of legitimacy in the business world world? Hadn't really had Bazo hasn't commented on his relationship with the Saudis and representatives for the Saudi government also declined to to comment as did an Amazon spokesperson but Justin and his colleagues spoke to people on both sides of the agreement and they said this deal was an exciting thing for for basis and Mohammed bin. Salman those sources say that the two men continued to discuss the agreement from afar her and then in the spring of two thousand eighteen. The prince took a trip. The kicked off a series of events. That would eventually call this relationship into question. Mohammed bin Salman to the United States for three weeks in a big splashy campaign to change American perceptions about the conservative and oppressive kingdom the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is poised to take Hollywood by storm later today. Reportedly set to meet with heavyweights rupert. Murdoch and Bob Iger among long others Warwick tour. You went to starbucks the Michael Bloomberg net everyone from President Trump to Oprah Winfrey to Richard Branson Prince was and did. TC Jeff bezos he's charged in La. They had dinner at the dinner in Los Angeles on April fourth. Two thousand eighteen. The Prince and basis exchanged contact information so basis phone and just sent a message to the prince said hello. NBS NBS's Muhammad Awesome on and Muhammad replied. Say Hello I saved the number Mohammed Bin Soman and for context the Prince. Is it extremely busy person. Listen and he stays up all night and I don't think he sleeps very much and he is. What's that messaging with a lot of people all over the world seemingly all the time and so it wasn't really unusual that he and basis would have changed? What some numbers and they would then send messages back and forth? It's in keeping with the way the prince does things after. They exchanged numbers burs on. What's APP bezos became one of the people? NBA stayed up late at night messaging. According to Justin sources. They discuss business over what's APP. And then Bezos got another message from MBA's WHATSAPP account in May of two thousand eighteen. You Mohammed sent a video and it was kind of promotional tours in video about Saudi Arabia. Bazo didn't react to the video at the time. But but according to a report commissioned by Bays and released last week there was apparently something weird about this video shortly after that was sent huge volumes of data started leaving basis his phone in a way that it's not normal and so these people hired by basis concluded that there was some kind of spyware aware file attached to the video that was installed them basis his phone and that was used to pull data off the phone. What did the Saudis say about that allegation? The Saudis that was absurd but for context year has been widely reported publicly in the couple of months before this alleged infiltration of the business phone. The Saudi government had used spyware to infiltrate the phones of a number of dissidents. So there had been this fairly widespread effort to spy on people's phones leading up to that Saudi officials close to the crown. Prince told the Journal they were aware aware of a plan to hack basis phone though they were not aware that a hack actually happened. The Saudi government denies that the Prince hacked bases phone but around. This time there was an issue that the Saudi government had with Bazo business owned The Washington Post and the people close to Bazo say that there was resentment over the Washington Post publishing columns by dissident criticizing the kingdom. Those columns were written by a man named Jamal. Kashogi Jamal Kashogi was sort of uniquely. Saudi figure. Columns were a very critical of what was happening in. Saudi Arabia of especially of the crackdown on dissent and of dissidents being locked up being silenced otherwise and is there any evidence that Jeff bezos had a direct line or was in communication with Jamal Kashogi. Well it's hard to get into someone else's mind but when you come from a government in a country where this one guy who's in charge charge and what happens is on extension of what he says when you deal with another institution where there's one guy in charge you may come from it from the mindset mindset that everyone does what you say. Are there any other possible. Motivations the Saudis could have had to hack bases phone. You know there's a good relationship between between the trump administration and so there's all sorts of speculation around trump dislikes pesos. And Call Them Jeff Bozo in a tweet and trump doesn't like the Washington Post and there could be a convergence of interests around making business look bad and what trump wants and what the Saudis want. I mean who knows you know like maybe it's good to have everything inside the phone of a really rich guy. These are just theories that would emerge months later but at this time Basil's was unaware that his phone own may have been compromised and he kept using it to message. NBS over what's APP. They talked about business. Deals talked about the data center. Mama talked about his plans for the kingdom named him seemed fairly friendly and then in October of two thousand eighteen as most listeners. Fino Kashogi was murdered inside the Saudi Saudi embassy in Istanbul by people who work for the crown prince new details reported on the murder of Jamal. Kashogi Turkish TV showing video of men carrying luggage edge into the residents of the Saudi Council General in Istanbul. The report says the five suitcases contain the remains of the Washington Post columnist the CIA has reportedly reportedly concluded that the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad. Bin Salman ordered Kashogi murder. The crown prince denies any involvement. Outrage is growing as leaders are demanding demanding answers from Saudi Arabia. And that's when the relationship between Bezos and mom. It really sort of fell apart this. This created a rift between the Prince and Bezos in the weeks before Kashogi killing. NBS had been texting Bezos. Saying it was really important. Shortened bezos come to Saudi Arabia for an economic development conference. NBS was hosting Mahmoud. Has this conference in two thousand seventeen. The called at Davos in the desert was nicknamed. It attracted you know. All the titans of finance took upset He Arabia and was this public display of how the king destination for the world's was as powerful investor's business people to eighteen was supposed to be even bigger and Bezos had talked about coming for surprise guest and then Amazon Emerson have pulled out of any dealing around conference and a lot of other people pulled out as well and I think upset the prince felt you know he's being abandoned. NBS and Bazo as you were no longer on friendly terms and that was just the start of trouble for Jeff Bezos. That's after the break My My name is Dr Alexander Sachs. I'm a psychiatrist. And the host of the Gimblett Podcast Motherhood sessions which is back for a second season each episode. I sit down with women who've come in with a question or a problem and we work on it together. When was the last time you tax? I think it was like two years ago. I just I feel feel like the sexual part of me is just doesn't exist anymore. You can listen to the new season of motherhood sessions for free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back by the end of two thousand eighteen M. BSN Simba's were not on good terms but no one knew the extent of it. Not and tell a personal drama in Betas life brought it to light and there's a person in here at the Journal who's watched it all unfold the head of our investigations team a man named Mike Second Nafi and how most people refer in the newsroom psycho. But again that doesn't have to be chief or boss. I answer to a lot of names I just WanNa. Does he copy. There's a lot of copy that crosses my desk and the recent stories that he's been editing have their genesis in a big announcement. bezos made last year in January of last year basis came out with a tweet announcing that his wife of Twenty Five Years Mackenzie bears as us. And he were divorcing and shortly after that the National Enquirer tabloid paper of record came out with screaming headlines. Talking talking about how the divorce was prompted by an affair. Visas had with Lawrence Sanchez born Sanchez a TV. The anger was married herself at the time. And so what looked to be a major revelation of a personal nature by Bazo. The divorce forest turned within a few hours into a much larger scandal because it involved the national enquirer releasing to the public very embarrassing information about. Jeff Bezos is a fair which led to the divorce and some photographic evidence of this. Yes there were photos and they were texts that the national poorer gotten so. Can you give us a flavor of those texts yell try. This is revanchism. NASA's told Sanchez. I want to smell you. Want to breathe you in. I I want to hold you tight. I WanNa Kiss Your Lips. I Love You I am in love with you and on and on until recently bazo had sort of a geeky reputation in in an interview in two thousand fourteen. He said that doing dishes every night was the sexiest thing he does is. His personal life was certainly kept private for many years and everyone when they focus on days as they talked about the brilliance of his business acumen and handle he founded Amazon and turned it into this monster company that everyone uses. You seem to be a private guy. And it's that private persona that made Bazo says public response after this saga. Perhaps even more surprising about a month later is she can extraordinarily blog post on what's called medium in this. Post bezos wrote quote. It's unavoidable that certain in powerful people who experience Washington Post news coverage will wrongly conclude. I am their enemy. And bezos hinted at two potential enemies. Amis who might be behind the national enquirer Article One the White House which head publicly complained about Washington Post coverage and the other the Saudi Saudi government the connection between Saudi Arabia and the national enquirer might seem surprising but they have a history three. Here's Justin we know that. Prince Muhammad and David Pecker. WHO's the head of the parent company of it's national enquirer had met two thousand seventeen really knew each other and around the two thousand eighteen visit when Muhammad keeps America? You do you choir published Glossy magazine. That was basically I mean. It was almost reminiscence stuff that you'd seen the tabloids Princess Diana was the fawning over the top language. About how amazing Prince. Muhammed is changing Saudi Arabia. One of the world's biggest investors and incredible American ally fighting terrorism and it was this like fawning piece of suck up the national enquirers parent company sources. This is have said. He had talked with the Saudis about funding for the company and in this blog. Post bezos revealed that he thought the national enquirer her was going after him beyond just the one story they'd published. He accused the paper of trying to blackmail him by threatening to release more details about his extramarital title affair. racy photos more texts ones. That would be even more embarrassing if they ever came out to Bezos than what had previously come out things things like according to vases medium post a full length body Selfie of Mr Bazo swearing just a pair of tight black boxer boxer briefs or trunks with his phone in his left hand while wearing his wedding ring or other naked cell fees and the like exactly exactly Bazo said in this medium post that the national enquirer was blackmailing him because they wanted him to stop investigating how they got his texts and why they wanted them. American media The parent company of the National Enquirer denies. There were any political motives behind the report on basis. When you read red basis as medium post what was your reaction to reading that letter? Do you remember. Holy smokes or some variation of that probably in the national enquirer had for many years been trafficking in racy information. But this is the first instance that we were aware of where. You're an executive. Try to get ahead of the inquirer is doing and flip the script on them and put them on the defensive so we knew it was a huge story. We just didn't know how far we'RE GONNA go. Basis is public admission about these photos and texts and his claim blackmail launched a bunch of different investigations and prosecutors reporters and Bezos himself. Were all trying to figure out what happened. Exactly how the national enquirer was able to get a hold of the texts and whether the inquirer was motivated by anything other than juicy tabloid gossip we launched investigation to our team through sources that he spoke with discover that the enquirer had received a number of photos and texts from Michael Sanchez. who was the brother of bezos lover Lawrence Sanchez? And what did our sources say about. Who Michael Sanchez is so Michael? Sanchez wasn't particularly well. No known before this incident as a talent agent and he's managed some television stores in reality show judges but the more important element of this at least as it relates to the inquirer. Is these long. been a source for the Inquirer reporters here at the Journal. Were able to find the contract. Michael Sanchez signed with the national enquirer. There was an agreement. That inquiry came up with Michael Sanchez. Paying the princely sum of two hundred thousand dollars four text photos and others nation that related specifically to the affair that his sister had with just Basil's in that contract Michael Sanchez said he got the text and photographs that legally so that left Mike and his team wondering how exactly did Sanchez. Get those texts and last week on Friday. They found out the photos and the texts. That Michael Sanchez Sanchez. Got were sent to him by none other than his sister learned Sanchez the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan. It is in possession of these texts showing the progression of the text and photos from Lawrence Sanchez to Michael Michael Sanchez to the national enquirer. But wait a minute here. This is his sister. Sent the FOTOS use. These racy photos the text that you read to her brother. Why would she do that? Why don't they anyone could get into Lawrence Sanchez's head and Lauren has not responded to requests that we've made multiple requests for comment at the time she was married? Jeff Bezos was married so people could speculate about witter. Antennas were what the effect was that it did trigger or seem to trigger bezos to get a divorce from his wife and now Lauren Sanchez. And Jeff Bezos. Those are a couple Michael. Sanchez declined to comment on the texts or his contract. With American media in a statement he said quote with Spoon Fed lies and half-truths The Wall Street Journal keeps getting it wrong. Lawrence Sanchez didn't respond to requests for comment. And an attorney for Jeff bezos declined to comment. There's one aspect of the text revelations that Justin says is unresolved. There's this little space is in there. which is that? It's still unclear how the inquirer was first tipped off about the affair. The Inquirer said they were tipped off to the affair. It advance of getting the stuff from the brother and we don't know how they were tipped off last week. A report that was commissioned by Basil's came out it looked into the possible hacking his phone and that report concluded that Saudi Arabia likely hacked into his iphone through that video message sent in May of twenty eighteen to United Nations officials reviewed the report and said that those was likely hacked by Saudi Arabia In an attempt to influence how the Washington Post was covering the country but especially too many cybersecurity experts. The report wasn't complete. Nobody's found the malware on the phone. There's big gaps here. So there are all these speculative reasons why something might be true or something might have happened but there still remains the fact that nobody's found the alleged piece of militia software. The report also doesn't say what sort of things if any were taken off off of Bazo says phone by the Saudis. The questions. It's around the is there any nexus between what they believe. Saudi Arabia did what came out in the acquirer. We're not sure shore. Private information was compromised from the richest man in the world and we know that the national enquirer was up to its own thing. Buying the information from the the girlfriend's brother and the Saudis allegedly have their own plan to take business information. They're there are all these individual data points you think you know. Is there something deeper. Here's this just a we just connecting dots and be connected. It's possible to totally separate. It's possible this relationship it's also possible. There isn't a Saudi thing because again it's up been proven that he infiltrated the phone could be two separate things could only be one thing could be one unified thing. We don't really know remains a mystery. It remains a mystery but it might not for too long. Now get to work. Yeah That's all for today. Monday January twenty seventh. The Journal is a CO production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal. Quick disclosure. Rupert Murdoch is the owner of newscorp which is the parent company of the Wall Street Journal. Special thanks to Somerset. He'd Bradley Hope Joe Palo Solo. Oh and Corey Ramey for their additional reporting. Thanks for listening see you tomorrow.